We've learned Jay's 10:00 PM show will go on hiatus February 1. After the Olympics, Jay will take back his 11:30 PM time slot. What has not been decided -- whether Jay's show will be a half hour, followed by Conan, or whether Jay's show will be an hour and NBC says sayonara to Mr. O'Brien.
We're told Jay and Conan have both been told of the changes. As for Jay, interestingly, he'll get what he always wanted -- his 11:30 PM time slot.
UPDATE: A rep for NBC tells TMZ: "Jay Leno is one of the most compelling entertainers in the world today. As we have said all along, Jay's show has performed exactly as we anticipated on the network. It has, however, presented some issues for our affiliates. Both Jay and the show are committed to working closely with them to find ways to improve the performance."
jesus christ, poor conan
jesus christ, poor conan
He was never comfortable at 11:30, and his stuff doesn't do well at that timeslot. Probably the best thing for him, honestly.
NBC executives held discussions with both Jay Leno and Conan O’Brien Thursday about the future of the network’s late-night lineup. And while executives said that no final decision has been made, they did not deny that the network is considering moves that could include returning Mr. Leno to his old job as host of “The Tonight Show.”
NBC executives said a decision would definitely not be announced Thursday but did not deny a report posted by the website TMZ that NBC was considering making the switch and replacing Mr. O’Brien at “Tonight” with Mr. Leno.
TMZ reported that NBC would make the move soon to take advantage of the natural break in its schedule when it covers the Winter Olympics next month.
The late-night discussions at NBC are directly related to pressure that has been brought on NBC by its affiliated stations, which have seen ratings for their 11 p.m. local newscasts plummet this television season because of much-weakened lead-in audiences from the network in the 10 p.m. hour.
That hour has been filled by Mr. Leno’s new prime-time show. NBC has said for months that Mr. Leno’s ratings were not out of line with what they had promised to advertisers but they acknowledged that they had underestimated the negative impact on the affiliated stations.
Mr. O’Brien, meanwhile, has seen his own ratings suffer. He has trailed the CBS late-night star David Letterman by about 2 million viewers a night – Mr. Leno had easily been the winner in that time period previously.
If Mr. Leno does return to his old 11:35 p.m. there is some question about what will happen with Mr. O’Brien. He had been recruited by other networks in the past but how his contract might be resolved and how his experience at “Tonight” might affect his future prospects are unknown factors.
conan actually needs to be on at 10
conan actually needs to be on at 10
conan actually needs to be on at 10
That still doesn't fix the affiliate lead in problem
doesn't appear they're even considering the potential backlash, i think leno's going to come off looking like a villain here
Just to recap: NBC promised “The Tonight Show” to Conan in 2004, and Leno agreed to step down when the time came. Except when the time came, Leno said he wanted to stay on the air, hence “The Jay Leno Show” at 10 o’clock, which quickly became one of the greatest programming f*ck-ups in network history. As Leno’s unwatched show was torpedoing viewership of NBC local news and the new “Tonight Show,” he openly lobbied to get his 11:30 slot back.
Gosh, what an awesome guy. If he’s not too busy during the Olympics, maybe he’d like to come over and get my sister pregnant, wait six months, then punch her in the stomach until she miscarries.
http://warmingglow.uproxx.com/2010/01/f-thisQuoteJust to recap: NBC promised “The Tonight Show” to Conan in 2004, and Leno agreed to step down when the time came. Except when the time came, Leno said he wanted to stay on the air, hence “The Jay Leno Show” at 10 o’clock, which quickly became one of the greatest programming f*ck-ups in network history. As Leno’s unwatched show was torpedoing viewership of NBC local news and the new “Tonight Show,” he openly lobbied to get his 11:30 slot back.
Gosh, what an awesome guy. If he’s not too busy during the Olympics, maybe he’d like to come over and get my sister pregnant, wait six months, then punch her in the stomach until she miscarries.
:lol
come on, how many of you even watch network tv at 10 anyway
Conan web show plz.
Jesus, knew Leno was a prick but didn't think he would do this to Conan. Conan needs to take his writers/andy and maybe ditch the talk show format.This.
doesn't appear they're even considering the potential backlash, i think leno's going to come off looking like a villain here
doesn't appear they're even considering the potential backlash, i think leno's going to come off looking like a villain here
If he wasn't the villain in 1992 why would he be now? Conan is the one who forced him off the Tonight Show, and then ruined the Tonight Show's ratings.
doesn't appear they're even considering the potential backlash, i think leno's going to come off looking like a villain here
If he wasn't the villain in 1992 why would he be now? Conan is the one who forced him off the Tonight Show, and then ruined the Tonight Show's ratings.
Conan didn't do fucking shit.
doesn't appear they're even considering the potential backlash, i think leno's going to come off looking like a villain here
If he wasn't the villain in 1992 why would he be now? Conan is the one who forced him off the Tonight Show, and then ruined the Tonight Show's ratings.
:piss Leno :piss2
:bow Coco :bow2
http://www.tonightshowwithconanobrien.com/video/clips/norm-macdonald-pt-1-061109/1124711/?__cid=thefilter (http://www.tonightshowwithconanobrien.com/video/clips/norm-macdonald-pt-1-061109/1124711/?__cid=thefilter)
:lol
doesn't appear they're even considering the potential backlash, i think leno's going to come off looking like a villain here
If he wasn't the villain in 1992 why would he be now? Conan is the one who forced him off the Tonight Show, and then ruined the Tonight Show's ratings.
Who the hell wouldn't take the Tonight Show if you had both Leno and the network's blessings? I encourage you to read more into the history of the deal, AVClub had a wonderful piece on it a few months back.
Conan didn't do fucking shit.
He got himself a contract that either gave him the Tonight Show in 2009 or he walked with a huge severance.
anyhoo, what I was going to say was: Who wouldn't take the Tonight Show if you had both Leno and the network's blessing at the time? I encourage you to read more of the history of the deal, AVClub had a fascinating article on it a few months back.
anyhoo, what I was going to say was: Who wouldn't take the Tonight Show if you had both Leno and the network's blessing at the time? I encourage you to read more of the history of the deal, AVClub had a fascinating article on it a few months back.
Do you have a link? Just searching AVClub for "Conan" or "Leno" yields too many results to sort through...
Conan got royally screwed. And what a colossal mess for NBC, after spending all that money on a brand new, multi-million dollar set (and one for Leno too!), the outrageous marketing campaign, shitbinning their network program for Leno, etc.
Conan got royally screwed. And what a colossal mess for NBC, after spending all that money on a brand new, multi-million dollar set (and one for Leno too!), the outrageous marketing campaign, shitbinning their network program for Leno, etc.
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I'll follow Conan wherever he ends up.
fuck LenoIAWTPx2
:piss Leno :piss2
:bow Coco :bow2
http://www.tonightshowwithconanobrien.com/video/clips/norm-macdonald-pt-1-061109/1124711/?__cid=thefilter (http://www.tonightshowwithconanobrien.com/video/clips/norm-macdonald-pt-1-061109/1124711/?__cid=thefilter)
:lol
[youtube=560,345]KEP2vMkYgfw[/youtube]
Norm MacDonald should should have his own show in prime time or hell, a talk show.
He kills it every time.
what was that one cops movie Norm did? It was so fucking funny
I can't recall him being in a film about cops, could you be thinking of Screwed with Dave Chappelle? Or are you thinking of The Animal, staring Rob Schneider?
I'm distinguished mentally-challenged it's not a cop movie at all. It was Dirty Work. Fail by me.
How do you fuck that up? Goddamn hipster.
I'm distinguished mentally-challenged it's not a cop movie at all. It was Dirty Work. Fail by me.
How do you fuck that up? Goddamn hipster.
"Hey this alien looks just like a hot guy."
"You're right, we better have sex with him."
:lol
[youtube=560,345]9Q2VhQ8r5Nc[/youtube]
Leno also thinks Michael Jackson diddled that boy in 2003. Fuck him.eh, a boy diddler's a boy diddler. It doesn't really matter what year.
"Hey this alien looks just like a hot guy."Oh, holy shit that is gold. Norm may have been the iceberg that sunk the Titanic.
"You're right, we better have sex with him."
:lol
[youtube=560,345]9Q2VhQ8r5Nc[/youtube]
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/just_call_him_conan_flyin_ThND8Mdv5MI5Pv8udof1LJ
Conan goes to FOX?
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/just_call_him_conan_flyin_ThND8Mdv5MI5Pv8udof1LJ
Conan goes to FOX?
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/just_call_him_conan_flyin_ThND8Mdv5MI5Pv8udof1LJ
Conan goes to FOX?
NO.
EDIT: Reading that article, 2009 was really a year of unrealistic expectations. NBC must've expected Conan to blow the ratings up, when he's said it himself, his brand of comedy has to grow on people.
He isn't a joke missile like most talk show hosts are, he's more like a joke dirty bomb.
It was my mistaken belief that, like my predecessor, I would have the benefit of some time and, just as important, some degree of ratings support from the prime-time schedule.
Later Conan.:lol
You could put an hourlong Tiger Woods drama on at 10:00pm and it wouldn't help Conan at 11:35.
You could put an hourlong Tiger Woods drama on at 10:00pm and it wouldn't help Conan at 11:35.
And you could post naked pictures of Stacey Keibler every time you post your drivel, and you still would be the worst poster on the bore.
:lolYou could put an hourlong Tiger Woods drama on at 10:00pm and it wouldn't help Conan at 11:35.
And you could post naked pictures of Stacey Keibler every time you post your drivel, and you still would be the worst poster on the bore.
FreshPrinced
I love that he considered Jimmy Fallon in his PR. Props to Conan.
That letter sounds classy, but its actually designed to fuck Leno over.
The jews had something to do with this, didn't they willco
Whatever Conan ends up doing, he needs to move back to NYC.
“Simon Cowell is leaving ‘American Idol,’ but don’t worry – we’ve checked and Jay’s fingerprints are nowhere on this one.”
"They were not thrilled. They told him it would undercut his negotiating leverage," one source revealed to me. "But Conan wouldn't listen to them. He wanted to make it." When Conan read the statement to the staff, "he broke up. He began to cry," one of my insiders reveals. "Because for 17 years he was working towards The Tonight Show, and now he says he's prepared to walk away from it. That's an amazing thing. An amazing thing. But he takes very seriously the fact that The Tonight Show baton was passed to him.":'(
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN6Q2YFFteQ[/youtube]
First Conan O'Brien Leaves, Now Jay Leno?
Sources close to former 'Tonight Show' host Jay Leno tell me he is furious with the way NBC has treated him and Conan O'Brien and is considering walking away from the entire mess with his head held high. "Now that Conan has made it clear he is leaving the troubled network, Jay is considering doing the same. They have put Jay in a terrible position. It looks like he is the reason that Conan is now without a job. Jay is a great guy and it's not fair that due to NBC's stupidity he looks like the bad guy," a TV insider tells me.
"Plus, what happens when Jay does return to the 11:35 slot if his audience doesn't immediately follow? How can he possibly trust the same network that canceled Conan after only seven months?"
Sorry, it was from a Deadline article. I'll go find it.
hey guys, please source your quotes!http://www.popeater.com/2010/01/13/jay-leno-leaving-nbc/
yessss
quotes are awesome but full articles of schadenfreude are DELICIOUS
I hope Leno walks if only for the "how to kill a 50-year brand in 48-hours" hilarity
WELCOME TO THE TONIGHT SHOW WITH RYAN SEACREST
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"Let's host this thing."
that's the THIRD TIME someone has posted that video in this thread
that's the THIRD TIME someone has posted that video in this thread
[youtube=560,345]A98_-EeXS_I[/youtube]
I ask the world : Why is Jimmy Fallon alive... and getting paid as well?!He probably has compromising pictures of Tina Fey.
that's the THIRD TIME someone has posted that video in this thread
No, it's new dude.
[youtube=560,345]A98_-EeXS_I[/youtube]
:lol :lol
I'm loving the internet rage at all this.
Leno show gets canceled even though his ratings were good & expected from the network. Is reduced from an hour to a half hour AND moved back from primetime to 11:35.
While Conan gets pushed back only half an hour & gets Leno as his direct lead-in to help his massive sagging ratings & he is the one screwed out of this situation?
I'll say it here since this is becoming the official thread, but Conan is the douche bag for putting Leno in the current situation.
Now Leno has to either accept the position of Tonight Show host & look like an opportunist, taking advantage of Conan leaving or decline & endanger his entire show & career.
Fucking dick move.
Yeah, both are not going to walk. Conan will be released with a severance package that is equivalent to the GDP of an Eastern European country, and Leno will be hosting The Tonight Show by the end of the Winter Olympics.
breaking bad sucks :tophatwat :(
breaking bad sucks :tophatwat :(
Damn, Cohen, why the haterade?
It'd be so great if Carson Daly ended up hosting The Late Show. :lol
Letterman is hilarious he's like an 'overrated internet cynic' but actually clever.
Letterman is only good with good material
Hence why Conan shouldn't be on a talkshow. Thank you.
I think we can all agree that at the very least, Conan should go back to writing for the Simpsons again.
someone observed that none of Conan's fans actually watch his show. I like him, I like the material he's produced in the past, but I don't necessarily find his show very funny and I don't go out of my way to watch it. In part its because The Late Night format is just really dated.That's actually true. Everybody I know just watches clips of his show instead of the whole thing.
Hello, my name is Conan O’Brien, and I may soon be available for children’s parties.
When I was a little boy, I remember watching The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson and thinking 'Someday, I’m going to host that show for 7 months.'
Oh shit, Jim Norton is on Leno tonight :lol
Leno introduced him and he just sat there stony faced, not looking back. This is great.
From Conan's monologue tonight:QuoteHello, my name is Conan O’Brien, and I may soon be available for children’s parties.QuoteWhen I was a little boy, I remember watching The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson and thinking 'Someday, I’m going to host that show for 7 months.'
:rofl
someone observed that none of Conan's fans actually watch his show. I like him, I like the material he's produced in the past, but I don't necessarily find his show very funny and I don't go out of my way to watch it. In part its because The Late Night format is just really dated.That's actually true. Everybody I know just watches clips of his show instead of the whole thing.
I don't get this 7 months wasn't long enough to give him a proper chance sentiment.
someone observed that none of Conan's fans actually watch his show. I like him, I like the material he's produced in the past, but I don't necessarily find his show very funny and I don't go out of my way to watch it. In part its because The Late Night format is just really dated.That's actually true. Everybody I know just watches clips of his show instead of the whole thing.
This is very true. Last time I watched Conan on TV was the transition, and before that the writers strike ones where it was just him fucking around.
and right now
Ferguson's monologues are genuinely engaging. Letterman is only good with good material, Conan was always too akward to speak at the camera, and Leno's monologues make you want to hang yourself.
Put on Jimmy Kimmel right now. :lolOh my god :lol
Conan was interviewing the Chuck dude with the preconceived notion that he was one of the Chipmunks but was really was live action actor in the movie :lol
"I'm referring to Monica Lewinthky"
:rofl
Dem boots :drool
She's Canadian, of course she's hot in the sack!
Ferguson was doing casting for The Late Shift 2, with "an unknown" playing Carson Daly... Carson Daly. :rofl
Man, I just realized, I wonder how The Soup will handle all of this
Well, I hope that ABC uploads Kimmel quickly, cause I didn't bother to watch him at all.
Well, I hope that ABC uploads Kimmel quickly, cause I didn't bother to watch him at all.
I just posted some for you!
give me a fucking break, dude
EEL WHY AREN'T YOU CALLING JEFF ZUCKER?!
Triumph, the videos work for me, btw.
Triumph, the videos work for me, btw.
the kimmel video worked for me, i think it was oblivion who couldn't get it to work.
Conan O'Brien may have a claim against NBC, but not because the network wanted to move his show to 12:05 AM. We're now told Conan's contract never specified a guaranteed time period. If NBC wanted to run the show at 3:00 AM, Conan would have no recourse. We're told Conan's reps never even asked for a guaranteed time period when they negotiated his contract -- shocking, but true. By contrast, we're told Jay Leno's deal specifically guarantees his 10:00 PM time period, so the network must negotiate a new deal with him before he moves back to 11:35 PM. NBC did guarantee that Conan would host "The Tonight Show," and the network has been willing to make good on that promise. As for Conan's legal position, his claim is a lot more tenuous than first reported to us. We're told Conan is arguing -- given the history of "The Tonight Show" -- there is an "implied" guarantee the show would begin at 11:35. Our sources say Conan's people met with NBC execs yesterday afternoon ... presumably to negotiate a settlement and an out. Some of the high level people who oversee "The Tonight Show" are saying Conan has himself to blame -- at least in part -- for his failure. They say he refused to take notes from his bosses, saying "I do what I do."
Another Sign Leno's on the Move
Posted Jan 13th 2010 12:41PM by TMZ Staff
Sometimes a story is just right in front of your face. "The Jay Leno Show" billboard on the Universal Studios lot was just removed.
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tmz.com/media/2010/01/0113_jay_leno_banner_tmz_01.jpg)
The billboard reads, "COMEDY AT 10/9c" -- and therein lies the problem.
As we first reported, it's in with the old, because Jay is getting his coveted 11:35 PM time period back, and it's looking like his show will again be an hour long "Tonight Show."
SOURCE PLEASE
The recent news that Conan O’Brien will be replaced by Jay Leno has caused white people to erupt with rage and hostility. You might even expect them to lash out and do something about it like take to the streets or write a letter to NBC to voice their dissatisfaction with the network. But no, white people will solve this problem the way that they solved the election crisis in Iran – through Facebook and Twitter status updates. In 2009, millions of white people took 35 seconds to turn their twitter profiles green, and consequently sent a very powerful message to the leaders of Iran. Their message was that they wanted their friends to know that they would stop at nothing to ensure freedom and democracy for the Iranian people. Thanks in large part to that effort Iran is now completely democratic. With that issue settled, white people are launching a similar campaign for Conan that is sure to have similar results.
It is not hard to understand why white people love Conan O’Brien, he embodies so many of the things they already like before he even opens his mouth: Ivy League Schools, Red Hair, the Boston Red Sox, Self Deprecating Humor, The Simpsons, and Bad Memories of High School (likely, but not confirmed). Seeing him on television five nights a week is a comforting reminder of community to the white people who still have televisions.
But if your plan is to try to use Conan O’Brien as a way to get white people to become more interested you, then it is imperative that you understand a few key rules. Firstly, all white people love “the masturbating bear,” if you don’t know what this is, do not worry. Just state your love for the character, and the white person you are talking to will simply fill in the rest. Secondly, all white people believe that Andy Richter never should have left the show. And finally, you should do your best to develop a “Triumph the Insult Comic Dog” impression. All white people already have one, so you might as well try to fit in. Complete these steps and watch your friendship with white people become considerably smoother.
Now, the biggest and most important thing to remember is to never, under any circumstances bring up a Conan O’Brien sketch or joke that has taken place in the last three years. You will be met with only blank stares. For you see, while white people will fiercely support Conan O’Brien in any public forum, they always fail to support him in the only way that actually helps – by watching his show.
Note: Under no circumstances should you ever mention that you prefer Jay Leno. This might cause white people to think you have the same taste in humor as the wrong kind of white people, or worse, their parents.
Fucking Kimmel won't let me watch him in Australia.
Now, the biggest and most important thing to remember is to never, under any circumstances bring up a Conan O’Brien sketch or joke that has taken place in the last three years. You will be met with only blank stares. For you see, while white people will fiercely support Conan O’Brien in any public forum, they always fail to support him in the only way that actually helps – by watching his show.
Even before I found out the internet hate for Leno when I was 12 I still disliked him because he would force me to watch either his show or some other shit at that time so I could watch Conan.
Even before I found out the internet hate for Leno when I was 12 I still disliked him because he would force me to watch either his show or some other shit at that time so I could watch Conan.
Couldn't you have just started watching when Conan came on?
The best was when he insisted that the episode was never going to air, because NBC was going to show Leno re-runs instead :lol
I missed most of it switching between Letterman and Kimmel. I'll catch it tomorrow on hulu.
himumu wtf!
Andy: "Welcome to humanity." :lol
woman comedian
this is gonna suck
edit: already sucking
woman comedian
this is gonna suck
edit: already sucking
at least she's breaking new ground talking about how guys are different than women
Can someone link me to the videos where Carson Daly gets annihilated? Or just to the relevant episodes of whatever shows are being discussed in this thread?
watching network tv now is weird. I like how the logo is way close to the middle of the screen for people who can't properly setup their TV.
Letterman: "We're going to invite Leno, Conan, Fallon and, uh, Carson Daly on the show. We'll get Carson Daly a folding chair or something." :rofl
Conan doesn't have a set date to leave until NBC decides something
Conan doesn't have a set date to leave until NBC decides something
I think the scuttlebutt is that Leno will take over after the Olympics, since the Tonight show usually gets pre-empted/goes into re-runs during the Olympics anyway.
Conan doesn't have a set date to leave until NBC decides something
I think the scuttlebutt is that Leno will take over after the Olympics, since the Tonight show usually gets pre-empted/goes into re-runs during the Olympics anyway.
Would that happen with the games in North America?
Conan O'Brien finally has a job offer on the table when he blows off NBC -- a porno flick called "Conan the Boobarian." On Monday night's show, Conan said he'd like to "work in a classier business with better people, like hard-core porn" -- and it appears one "classy business" was listening. Adult film company Pink Visual sent Conan a letter officially offering the dude a job, saying there's a demand for "tall, lean, pale, male 'gingers' that have a David Caruso kind of thing going on." Let's see Leno snatch this one from him.
TMZ says Coco has a job offer:QuoteConan O'Brien finally has a job offer on the table when he blows off NBC -- a porno flick called "Conan the Boobarian." On Monday night's show, Conan said he'd like to "work in a classier business with better people, like hard-core porn" -- and it appears one "classy business" was listening. Adult film company Pink Visual sent Conan a letter officially offering the dude a job, saying there's a demand for "tall, lean, pale, male 'gingers' that have a David Caruso kind of thing going on." Let's see Leno snatch this one from him.
So is Conan being REALLY awful in an attempt to get fired?
That Ferguson interview with Richard Lewis was crazy
So is Conan being REALLY awful in an attempt to get fired?
But I've learned that it has now become clear to O'Brien's reps that Zucker wants to jettison Conan altogether and put Jay back at The Tonight Show at its usual starting time. So, to prevent O'Brien competing with Leno's attemps to lure back his late night audience, NBCU's Zucker has come up with this plot to "ice" Conan for the length of his NBC Tonight Show contract. It's dastardly, it's cowardly, and it could be damn effective. But there's no way Team Conan says it's going to let that happen. So now it's open warfare between NBC and O'Brien's reps.
Man, Leno is killing himself with all this bad press, but it's nice to hear Stern say what I've been saying for days, that Conan's career is essentially over with this debacle. I think he should just move on to producing and writing, because you can't really recover from this.
I love everyone's Leno impressions. :lol
You seriously believe this? What about when Letterman decides to call it quits?
Yeah, that's why I recommend he use his production company to become a showrunner. Create and write a television show! Heck, you can do it for Fox!
Look, he had an impressive run on Late Night and some great bits on The Tonight Show (he just could never piece together a great show for that slot). Guy has been doing late night television for almost twenty years. He had a good run.
I'm with Patel. He should hang it up, and if his interview with Gervais is any indication, we'll have a week-plus of compelling television until Zucker has enough and pulls him off the air. He should go to HBO and create a new show. He seems to get along with Gervais. I'd pay good money to see a comedy show run by Gervais and Conan.
the Stuff White People like article hit the nail on the head - people on the internet "love" Conan, but they sure don't watch his show
the Stuff White People like article hit the nail on the head - people on the internet "love" Conan, but they sure don't watch his show
I would if I had a Nielsen box.
Seriously, does anyone know anyone who has one?
the Stuff White People like article hit the nail on the head - people on the internet "love" Conan, but they sure don't watch his show
I would if I had a Nielsen box.
Seriously, does anyone know anyone who has one?
http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/1991307,jay-leno-conan-obrien-feud-011410.article
Jesus.
http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/1991307,jay-leno-conan-obrien-feud-011410.article
Jesus.
the Stuff White People like article hit the nail on the head - people on the internet "love" Conan, but they sure don't watch his show
he needs to go to HBO and make Mr. Show 2: Show Harder
I wish I could send Conan a letter.You'll be able to afford that stamp one day. (http://i45.tinypic.com/2v28hhw.png)
I want to send one directly to him. I feel like at this point NBC is going to steal all his mail.
I want to send one directly to him. I feel like at this point NBC is going to steal all his mail. He should have an email address, or something.
conebone69@nbc.com
oh wait a minute man wait a minute...
huahuahuhahahuha
oh man...
(http://irom.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/kevin_eubanks.jpg)
I think what you have now is just fine
http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/14/dont-cry-for-me-downtown-burbank/?hp (http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/14/dont-cry-for-me-downtown-burbank/?hp)
The money shot:
"It seems obvious that what’s really at play here is a generation gap. A younger, more vocal, more online audience simply doesn’t like Mr. Leno’s show, which has gradually come to represent an entire pre-digital, Middle American culture that the Internet commentariat wishes would just get out of the way. Unfortunately for them, their parents are more likely to be watching television at 11:35 p.m. than they are."
"Don't worry, Conan. They'll name a turnpike after you...on the Information Superhighway." \ | (http://i45.tinypic.com/2v28hhw.png) |
Conan O'Brien Rating for Conan O'Brien's "Tonight Show" have surged as the dispute with NBC over the late night schedule continues. The Wall Street Journal reports that viewership is up for the show, including a 42% increase for the coveted 18 to 49 demographic.http://blogs.buffalonews.com/popstand/2010/01/morning-links--2.html
My sister and brother in law had a neilson box and htey watched Conan and Craig, switching here and there, then Conan and Craig when Conan went to the Tonight Show. So, yes, white people watching Conan.
And if there is a difference in how the fanbases watch the shows, thats more a statement on the businesses being behind on advertising. If things are moving to more net based watching, whats the point of sticking to an older TV audience that is dying out? It's ignoring the trend and another example of businesses not wanting to move with the advance of consumer bases.
Say hello to :lenowned :lenowned
Shorter etiolate: "The entertainment industry should update its entire business model and distribution channels in a way that, coincidentally, will result in being ready for changing media."
Shorter etiolate: "The entertainment industry should update its entire business model and distribution channels in a way that, coincidentally, will result in being ready for changing media."
Fixed because you're pathetic. Right, Kevin? :lenowned
Podcast? that's where the money is. Right eel? (http://i45.tinypic.com/2v28hhw.png)
Welp, it's over.conanowned :lenowned
http://www.tmz.com/2010/01/14/jay-leno-conan-obrien-nbc-the-tonight-show/
There's a difference between being ready for changing media and changing your entire business model, dude.
On the brightside, FatalT has a good shot at playing Conan O'Brien in the Conan O'Brien TV movie.
Welp, it's over.
http://www.tmz.com/2010/01/14/jay-leno-conan-obrien-nbc-the-tonight-show/
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ZUCKER THREATENS TO ICE CONAN! Says "I'll Keep You Off The Air For 3 1/2 Years"; Conan Reps Counter: "This Will End Up In Front Of A Judge If NBC Doesn't Wise Up"
BREAKING NEWS! EXCLUSIVE! 2ND UPDATE: NBC Universal, faced with Conan O'Brien's defiance, is taking what insiders tell me is "a super tough threatening position" over his refusal to host The Tonight Show at 12:05 AM instead of 11:35 PM. "Someone's got to show NBCU that big greedy corporate dickheads can't win," one of Conan's manager-agent-lawyer-public relations "Team Conan" representatives told me. And while Jeff Zucker has not stepped up and taken responsibility for this mess he set in in motion in the first place -- by replacing Leno with Conan O'Brien as host of The Tonight Show even though Jay was No. 1 in his time slot at the time -- he's been busy behind the scenes. I've already reported how Zucker has been privately blaming Conan for the current debacle, saying "He let me down" because The Tonight Show for the last 7 months since O'Brien took over has been losing out to David Letterman in both eyeballs and advertiser-coveted demographics. (Bullshit, Zucker, you can't keep blaming others for your Zuck-ups.) Bad enough that Zucker made Conan hear about the planned move in the first place from the media.
But now the NBCU chief has been talking tough during the negotiations with Team Conan. To counter O'Brien's principled public statement which the late night host issued this week, Zucker "is threatening to ice Conan", according to his reps. "Zucker said, 'I'll keep you off the air for 3 1/2 years.' Which doesn't have a chance in hell of happening. What I really think Zucker wants is to hold him off the market for at least six months to a year until the dust settles and Leno is secure and Conan is squelched." One rep even compared Zucker to "Darth Vader" because the NBCU chief "has been so evil" about this.
According to NBC's stated plans, The Jay Leno Show would leaves its unsuccessful primetime 10 PM time slot on February 12th, and then move to 11:35 PM after NBC finishes broadcasting the Vancouver Winter Olympics on February 28th. That's when The Jay Leno Show arrives in late night, and Conan's show pushes back by 1/2 an hour. To NBC's way of thinking, it can kill two birds with one stone: it won't have to pay Jay that hefty $80 million penalty for taking The Jay Leno Show off the air because the program has "merely" moved timeslots. And it won't have to pay Conan that fat $60 million penalty for removing him from The Tonight Show because that program, too, has "merely" moved timeslots. But, as David Letterman so succinctly put it this week, "At 12:05 AM, that's not The Tonight Show, that's The Tomorrow Show! As I've written previously, the Pottery Barn rule is applicable here: "You break it, you buy it." It could and it should cost NBC.
But I've learned O'Brien's reps now believe that Zucker wants to jettison Conan altogether and put Jay back at The Tonight Show at its usual starting time. So, to prevent O'Brien competing at NBC or elsewhere with Leno's attempt to lure back his late night audience, NBCU's Zucker has come up with this plot to "ice" Conan for the length of his NBC Tonight Show contract. It's dastardly, it's cowardly, and it could be damn effective. But there's no way Team Conan says they're going to let that happen. Bad enough NBCU horribly humiliated Conan and, as he so rightly pointed out in his statement, will damage The Tonight Show by moving it down a half-hour. With the 12:05 AM start, its ratings will never recover. After NBC made that decision, the phones at his WME agency rang off the hook with calls from every network, cable, and pay channel looking to hire O'Brien. And there's every reason for him to flee. But, if Conan exits voluntarily or involuntarily, it will take at least a year before a new show is readied and on the air. He risks losing his fan base during that time. And he'll be forever tagged by the failure. So now it's open warfare between NBC and O'Brien's reps.
Zucker's hardline stance became evident during that 1:45 PM Tuesday meeting at NBC Universal this week shortly after Conan issued his statement of defiance. On one side of the room were NBCU bigwigs Jeff Gaspin and Marc Graboff. On the other were O'Brien's reps: manager Gavin Palone, WME agent and board member Rick Rosen, and the newest member of Team O'Brien, Hollywood litigator Patty Glaser, who was hired last Sunday and is WME's legal shark of choice. Not attending were Zucker (hiding back in NYC), or WME boss Ari Emanuel (leading the WME retreat in Rancho Mirage). One of Hollywood's toughest negotiators and the model for Entourage agent Ari Gold played by Jeremy Piven, Ari. Even so, Gavin can be as mean as a rabid dog, Rick's agency reps 60% of the TV talent, and Glaser is a pitbull. For them, this kind of mano-a-mano negotiation is bloodsport. But even they were shocked by Zucker's scheming.
"Patty came in and said, 'You can't do this.' They claim they can legally, but everyone knows it's ambiguous. The contract is not clearly expressed and they are misinterpreting it," one of my sources related. "So everything now is at a standstill. There's been a proposal, and a counter-proposal. This will end up in front of a judge if someone [at NBCU] doesn't wise up."
I'd learned both NBCU chief Jeff Zucker as well as Gaspin were told about Conan's statement publicly promising to protect the integrity of The Tonight Show he'd inherited. It made Zucker furious. O'Brien's reps didn't want O'Brien to speak out. "They were not thrilled. They told him it would undercut his negotiating leverage," one source revealed to me. "But Conan wouldn't listen to them. He wanted to make it." And yet, because of the controversy, O'Brien's Tonight Show ratings have risen. While Leno hasn't received a similar bump, Conan's number went up to 1.9 in the overnights. Certainly, that has to give NBC pause, right? Apparently not. Sources tell me there's only "the slightest of chances" that Zucker will relent and keep O'Brien and The Tonight Show intact at 11:35 PM. As for Conan, if he's released, he wants to ensure his executive producer Jeff Ross and other staff who moved out from New York to Los Angeles "are taken care of". As for himself, "he's not thinking about strategy. He's saying, "I just want enough money to feed my family.'"
Nobody finds it coincidental that the ratings boost Letterman had in October is during the same time frame as his tabloid scandal, and that Conan's ratings hit absolute rock bottom when Leno became his lead-in back in August?
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This an all around shitty situation. I watched Conan nearly every night since he took over the tonight show, so I'm not really to blame. I feel like if he had a better lead in, it wouldn't have been so bad.
Please be aware we will not be taping shows 1/25 - 1/29.Yeah, next week is the last week for Conan...
Someone on GAF said "Imagine how bad Leno would have done if Johnny Carson had a 10pm lead-in show."
Kinda puts Conan's raw deal into perspective.
It's not a bullshit method.
Someone on GAF said "Imagine how bad Leno would have done if Johnny Carson had a 10pm lead-in show."
Kinda puts Conan's raw deal into perspective.
But Leno would have actually gotten a decent lead-in. :conanequivelentsmugface
If it's a bullshit way then what do you propose is a superior method to track viewership?
the Neilson box should be shipped only to people with 4000+ forum posts on the internet.
If it's a bullshit way then what do you propose is a superior method to track viewership?
it's 2010. There's NO WAY the fucking cable boxes can't relay that information?
Nielson is more than just the box.
Nielson is more than just the box.
does Nielson track my Natel usage
Nielson is more than just the box.
also, that method wouldn't track the amount of viewers or the demographics of the viewers.
Nobody finds it coincidental that the ratings boost Letterman had in October is during the same time frame as his tabloid scandal, and that Conan's ratings hit absolute rock bottom when Leno became his lead-in back in August?
Something I like has been taken away from me. Life's not fair. I want to end it all before my life gets any worse.A new Conan press release?
SC anecdotally destroys Neilson, nothing left but wreckage.
SC anecdotally destroys Neilson, nothing left but wreckage.
Oh for fucks sake dude, I'm relaying my experience to you. In 2010, how many people do you think are truthfully mailing out their little "what did you watch" postcards? Unless they went electronic and I don't see that happening.
I want to see some fury from Conan in his last week. Some real Howard Beale staring in to the abyss type shit. It should be the only week of late night worth watching, in the past 18 years or in the foreseeable future.It'll probably be like when Green Shinobi gets angry.
Leno's trajectory is pretty amazing, though. He's not just failing upwards - he's failing downards, sideways, diagonally, sliding into parallel dimensions made of pure failtonium. THE CHIN MUST BE WHERE THE ALIEN PILOT SITS
Nielsen also uses set meters, which I assume they use in conjunction with diaries.
... Huh? I don't even know what you're trying to say. I don't think anyone can argue that Leno had a negative impact on his lead-in audience considering the local news was getting hosed, as well. Plus, even if it was just a percentage, there were people that watched Leno and not Conan, simply because of brand loyalty. That was going to hurt him as well.
Leno did a job on Conan and the entire network. He killed primtime, hurt their affiliates and cannibalized Tonight Show viewers while chasing away people to other networks. If some lame 10 PM drama was on, people would have stuck around to see Conan more than likely.
Leno's trajectory is pretty amazing, though. He's not just failing upwards - he's failing downards, sideways, diagonally, sliding into parallel dimensions made of pure failtonium. THE CHIN MUST BE WHERE THE ALIEN PILOT SITS
It is pretty amazing. He pretty much pushed Carson out of The Tonight Show, and then wrestled the show away from the successor that Carson actually picked (y'know, the most influential talk show host of all-time). Then Leno was the definition of an underachiever for almost two years until he got a boost from a scandal and maintained a healthy lead thanks to mediocrity ever since. Then when he agrees to a succession plan, he reneges on his agreement and systematically destroys the network's primetime schedule, affiliate local news ratings and his successor's lead-in. Then he takes the show back from his successor in a very underhanded move.
That's fucking ICE COLD. Leno: flawless victory. :lenowned
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Leno beat out David Letterman for the “Tonight” job, sparking a feud that lives on and was even the subject of a book and movie, “The Late Shift.”
Leno recalled the animosity on his show Monday, saying “a lot of good friendships were permanently damaged.”
“Quite frankly, I don’t want to see anybody go through that again,” he said.
Masturbating Bear sucks, just looking at that GIF makes me like Leno more
Masturbating bear sucks. Chuck Norris lever <3 <3 <3
Masturbating Bear sucks, just looking at that GIF makes me like Leno more
But Wax Fonzie and Wax Tom Cruise make me realize my heart belongs to Coco.
Masturbating Bear sucks, just looking at that GIF makes me like Leno more
But Wax Fonzie and Wax Tom Cruise make me realize my heart belongs to Coco.
I didn't have much faith in Conan's Tonight Show until I saw Conando, Paris Hilton's deadpan, and Steven Ho. Channeling Carson, he knocked it out of the fucking park with those.
You don't. No company is going to spend millions of dollars on advertising based on numbers someone can shred with a single anecdote.
If everyone were constantly on my dick, I'd be less bitter then Corny.
If everyone were constantly on my dick, I'd be less bitter then Corny.
jesus christ, everyone shut up:onmydick
jesus christ, everyone shut up
ya ya ya internet grammarians :snooze
SC anecdotally destroys Neilson, nothing left but wreckage.
This thread is more entertaining than Conan.
I will knife youI'm not your sister, so stop being :onmydick. :teehee
Ooh, clever!I suggest, 'Stop riding my clit'
"Riding Dick" should definitely be in the thread title. wtf ManabyteLATE NIGHT WARS | THE DICK: 1, GECO: 0 (Manabyte: -1)
I forgot you rap and get bitches right? Instead of stalking them on the internet like a loser.
I have been supporting this site since it first opened.
I have been supporting this site since it first opened.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
How come someone like Corny gets a green name and I don't get a colored name?!
Leno comes off as a ham-fisted bully. Conan comes across as smart and sadly stoic.
Call it what it is. This is Bush people vs. Obama people.
I'm sure Jay Leno can return and outperform Conan, since he won't have to follow that dud Jay Leno.
Adult-film company Pink Visual reportedly sent O'Brien a letter offering him a position due to the current high demand for "tall, lean, pale, male 'gingers' that have a David Caruso kind of thing going on."
Their proposed title for O'Brien's first flick? "Conan the Boobarian."
Ironic since you're the manchild still trying to rap.
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why don't you all get on each other's dicks or whatever the hell the expression is, somewhere else
distinguished effete fellows
how do you know I'm sad, pole smoker?I know you better than you know yourself. You're on the verge of a breakdown. You're going Yixian on me.
good christ, everyone posting in this thread at the moment is distinguished mentally-challenged
yeah, even YOU OBLIVION
Wow dude. Just go back to how I'm stalking Ohioans and rapping badly.
And -- here I felt the need to editorialize.
"You know, the extra amazing thing about Jay is -- whenever they ask him to try something, he almost always says 'Sure.' They asked him to step down and make room for the other funny guy, he said, 'Sure.'
They asked him to put his show on earlier at night and he said, 'Sure.' Then they said, 'Oh, boy, I think we made a mistake -- would you mind going back to where we had you in the first place? That would really help us.' And you know what he says? 'Sure.'"
"Wow."
"Yeah. And how about the fact that while all this craziness is going on, Jay just shows up to work every day and does his job. He doesn't complain, he doesn't get upset... He just does what he's supposed to do: he makes people laugh. That's not easy, you know."
He thought about it.
"Jay's a really good guy, huh?"
"Yes he is. "
Podcast? that's where the money is. Right eel? (http://i45.tinypic.com/2v28hhw.png)
he can't respond; he just cashed the last mega-check itunes sent us and is currently paying off the whores we defecated on last night after doing a kilimanjaro sized mountain of blow and lik-m-aid.
What a stupid, bullshit post. I'm sorry your friend's a bad comic and a dick. I'm happy to explain this to your son if you like.
If Leno is friends with your kid, then obviously tell them this. Obviously.
If, on the other hand, your kid is friends with Conan O'Brien or O'Brien's kids? Well then, good luck explaining to them why sometimes, in show business, even when you play by all the rules and move across country and uproot your life and work every hour of the day, you can get massively screwed by the guys who made you those promises. Good luck making them see how being a company man is a good thing, rather than something that can make the last five years of your life look like ashes.
So while it's nice to assure young Reiser that his friend Jay's going to be okay, and that the other guy will have plenty of money for soda, the reality is that a lot of us remember the drawn, shocked looks on our fathers' faces when they were losing their dream job through no fault of their own. And THAT is one of the MANY reasons I am Team Conan, and think Jay can go spend more time with his Dr Pepper collection.
Which Saint's day will be devoted to Conan the Martyr when this is all done?
It's not like he's a millionaire already or anything, Patel.
oh, I know Conan's gonna be just fine. I just think it's kind of silly to say, "well, at least he gets that sweet sweet payout money!" Like NBC is actually gonna pay it to him. :P
jay won in the end, eh? that's great. not because i particularly care for leno but because conan sucks just a little bit more.:gun :gun :gun :gun :gun :gun
jay won in the end, eh? that's great. not because i particularly care for leno but because conan sucks just a little bit more.
Whoever wins, Conan's hysterical internet fans lose
"Google stocks plummeted after news that Jay Leno would return to The Tonight Show reached investors, thus significantly reducing operating income earned from Conan O'Brien YouTube videos."
........
I had no idea that these mostly corny late night shows were so popular.
I've watched Leno a few times. I thought he was pretty funny. Conan is occasionally funny. The only late night guys I've genuinely enjoyed are Stewart and Colbert.
Leno tells Conan "you're welcome" for the ratings boost. (http://tv.gawker.com/5448615/jay-leno-turns-the-tables-bashes-conan-obrien-with-biting-monologue) :lol
I love Jay. Ice cold.
I want Conan to ripoff the Leno bit where he had all the kids born during his run on The Tonight Show come on stage, it'd be like one kid probably :lol
I'll need a transcript or a video because I'm not watching, but good for Kimmel.
http://tv.gawker.com/5448615/jay-leno-turns-the-tables-bashes-conan-obrien-with-biting-monologue
That's probably the case but Kimmel is very quick with the mouth, remember the Sabrina the Teenage Witch Ether
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTWAcSaBfJw
Fox News would never take him. wouldn't want their ratings to fall. :lenowned
No, Leno, not Conan.
Jon is bringing up the late night stuff.
"Why isn't anyone talking about what NBC did to Johnny Carson? He's dead!"
Colbert :lol
"In the movie, I'm having sex with a woman and just as I'm about to climax, I get replaced by Jay Leno." :rofl
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The transcript from the Kimmel annihilation for those that can't view the video:
Some choice quotes, courtesy Kimmel:
[Asked by Leno what the best prank he ever pulled was] "The best prank I ever pulled was I told a guy that—five years from now—I'm gonna give you my show. And then when the five years came, I gave it to him, and then I took it back almost instantly."
[Asked by Leno if he ever orders anything off of the TV] "Like NBC ordered your show off the TV?"
[Asked by Leno what the record is for number of lap dances he's received in one night] "Strippers, I don't like in general. Because you have this phony relationship with them for money, similar to that of when you and Conan were on The Tonight Show together, passing the torch... you know what I'm saying."
[Asked by Leno what he hasn't yet hosted, but would like to] "Oh, this is a trick, right? Where you get me to host The Tonight Show and then take it back from me?"
[Asked why he came on to do the segment] "Listen, Jay, Conan and I have children—all you have to take care of is cars. I mean, we have lives to lead here. You've got $800 million, for God's sakes—leave our shows alone."
I wonder what the chances are of them just pulling Conan early next week
I wonder what the chances are of them just pulling Conan early next week
I think if Stern really comes on the show, there's a shot of him getting yanked. That could get ugly. Or it could be totally anti-climatic.
The transcript from the Kimmel annihilation for those that can't view the video:
Some choice quotes, courtesy Kimmel:
[Asked by Leno what the best prank he ever pulled was] "The best prank I ever pulled was I told a guy that—five years from now—I'm gonna give you my show. And then when the five years came, I gave it to him, and then I took it back almost instantly."
[Asked by Leno if he ever orders anything off of the TV] "Like NBC ordered your show off the TV?"
[Asked by Leno what the record is for number of lap dances he's received in one night] "Strippers, I don't like in general. Because you have this phony relationship with them for money, similar to that of when you and Conan were on The Tonight Show together, passing the torch... you know what I'm saying."
[Asked by Leno what he hasn't yet hosted, but would like to] "Oh, this is a trick, right? Where you get me to host The Tonight Show and then take it back from me?"
[Asked why he came on to do the segment] "Listen, Jay, Conan and I have children—all you have to take care of is cars. I mean, we have lives to lead here. You've got $800 million, for God's sakes—leave our shows alone."
Just looking at those questions, it seems pretty obvious it was planned.
The transcript from the Kimmel annihilation for those that can't view the video:
Some choice quotes, courtesy Kimmel:
[Asked by Leno what the best prank he ever pulled was] "The best prank I ever pulled was I told a guy that—five years from now—I'm gonna give you my show. And then when the five years came, I gave it to him, and then I took it back almost instantly."
[Asked by Leno if he ever orders anything off of the TV] "Like NBC ordered your show off the TV?"
[Asked by Leno what the record is for number of lap dances he's received in one night] "Strippers, I don't like in general. Because you have this phony relationship with them for money, similar to that of when you and Conan were on The Tonight Show together, passing the torch... you know what I'm saying."
[Asked by Leno what he hasn't yet hosted, but would like to] "Oh, this is a trick, right? Where you get me to host The Tonight Show and then take it back from me?"
[Asked why he came on to do the segment] "Listen, Jay, Conan and I have children—all you have to take care of is cars. I mean, we have lives to lead here. You've got $800 million, for God's sakes—leave our shows alone."
Just looking at those questions, it seems pretty obvious it was planned.
Just looking at those questions, it seems pretty obvious it was planned.
All this shit has to be a gold mine for someone wanting to write The Late Shift 2.
All this shit has to be a gold mine for someone wanting to write The Late Shift 2.
So when do you plan on starting?
Evangeline Lilly is on Kimmel right now and she's pretty much the perfect woman.
http://tv.gawker.com/5448615/jay-leno-turns-the-tables-bashes-conan-obrien-with-biting-monologue
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Meh.
Not that Ferguson has said anything regarding this whole situation but I'm now a convert to him.
Evangeline is totally a perfect face vs average body scenario. This doesn't mean I'd not ravage it, theoretically (which is never).
Not that Ferguson has said anything regarding this whole situation but I'm now a convert to him.
Evangeline is totally a perfect face vs average body scenario. This doesn't mean I'd not ravage it, theoretically (which is never).
January Jones > Evangeline Lilly, you should know this!
Not that Ferguson has said anything regarding this whole situation but I'm now a convert to him.
Evangeline is totally a perfect face vs average body scenario. This doesn't mean I'd not ravage it, theoretically (which is never).
January Jones > Evangeline Lilly, you should know this!
Yes. And Face and Body, Mrs.Jones :heart
Interestingly though, both Lilly and Jones have good (and similar) taste in music as me :-[ :-[ :-[ (as if that counts for anything)
i cant stand letterman, if only for that bald bastard, nobody gives a fuck what you think, shut the fuck up
january jones is dumb as a stump. At least Lily's got some sass :-*
january jones is dumb as a stump. At least Lily's got some sass :-*
Dumber than Elisha Cuthbert?
The transcript from the Kimmel annihilation for those that can't view the video:
Some choice quotes, courtesy Kimmel:
[Asked by Leno if he ever orders anything off of the TV] "Like NBC ordered your show off the TV?"
[Asked by Leno what he hasn't yet hosted, but would like to] "Oh, this is a trick, right? Where you get me to host The Tonight Show and then take it back from me?"
[Asked why he came on to do the segment] "Listen, Jay, Conan and I have children—all you have to take care of is cars. I mean, we have lives to lead here. You've got $800 million, for God's sakes—leave our shows alone."
5 Reasons Jay Leno Is the Devil (http://entertainment.nerve.com/2010/01/14/five-reasons-jay-leno-is-the-devil/)
I haven't even read this yet but it's by Phil Nugent so it's gotta be good.
This is the Leno who, when he heard Nancy Reagan had won some public-service Woman of the Year award, shot back, “I’m so glad she beat out that conniving little bitch Mother Teresa.”So apparently the man actually used to be funny. Weird.
So apparently Conan will be done after next week, is walking, and NBC pays him a large severance check AND Conan has the ability to be seen on another network. Good news for Coco!
I don't care if he gets whipped on Fox, I just want to see him back doing his thing somewhere
That sucks for his fans who want to continue seeing him do a very public show, though. Some people like me grew up watching him, and to have him suddenly fade into the back workings of television just doesn't seem right. Besides, this is what he loves doing most.
OK BN, I get it. You fucking grew up watching Conan O'Brien. We understand. But talk shows are outdated shit. They're irrelevant now.
Fuck the Simpsons, the show has sucked longer that it was ever good.QuoteOK BN, I get it. You fucking grew up watching Conan O'Brien. We understand. But talk shows are outdated shit. They're irrelevant now.
They're irrelevant to you, maybe, but they're still a cornerstone in television programming for most the networks (not to mention the success of the two on Comedy Central). Stop trying to act like an internet contrarian and think about it: this is what Conan loves doing. It's what his fans are accustomed to seeing him doing. He knows that several networks are very interested to have him, especially now after all of this. Hey, like I said, I'll follow whatever he does, but there would be a pretty bow on a gift wrapped in dogshit if he just ends up doing his show somewhere else, that's all.
It'll be awesome if on his final show Conan has Bobcat Goldthwait on and instead of setting fire to the couch he burns down the entire set.
Obviously a ton of people give a shit about this
Why? Why would you want to go to HBO where you'd have even less of an audience than the minuscule one you'd find on regular cable? Has HBO even done a daily late night show in recent memory?
If you had The Tonight Show, setting up shop on the fringes of cable doesn't sound like the best career move.
Ok, so let me understand all of this.
-Leno promises Conan his time slot after 5 years.
-Conan gets it, moves to LA with his family.
-The show is a miserable failure.
-NBC moves Leno back to his original time slot.
What am I missing here?
Yeah, to be fair, Kimmel is rarely this funny. He can be incredibly sharp, but I feel like he's Randy Moss - he only plays when he feels like it.
The other issue is money. Leno's contract had a penalty fee of $80 million if NBC cancelled The Jay Leno Show, and it specifically stipulated a time slot. Conan's contract stipulates no time slot, so NBC could technically drag him to court for breach of contract. At worse, Conan's penalty was like $40 million.
In the end, they're going to pay Conan $10 to $20 million to go away, which is a lot less than paying Leno $80 million.
Because NBC thought that even with low ratings, and rightfully so, they'd still turn a profit.
Why did they opt to put Leno on an 80 million for an untested format? Which is to say, late night in primetime? NBC can't be that stupid.
And if you are asking me to make sense of all the programming decisions, then I can't do that for you. NBC has been poorly run for awhile, and I think that's been evident by a lot of their programming decisions and executive hiring (Ben Silverman, anybody?).NBC is last place for a reason, bro.
And if you are asking me to make sense of all the programming decisions, then I can't do that for you. NBC has been poorly run for awhile, and I think that's been evident by a lot of their programming decisions and executive hiring (Ben Silverman, anybody?).
NBC is last place for a reason, bro.
NBC is last place for a reason, bro.
That's an amazing amount of bullshit T EXP. People aren't just going to forget. People remember the original Leno/Letterman split. It doesn't impact the Leno fanbase, but it does the rest of the audience.
Leno had to become the dumbest piece of television he could to "get his footing". People cared enough that Leno had to give up on winning the audience and go after the lowest common denominator.
Time to be an overrated internet cynic:
1) Leno is smarter than Conan. He knew how to get the spot back and he did.
2) All of these newfound Conan fans should have watched his fucking show instead of watching Colbert or the occasional funny Conan clip on Youtube. Maybe the next time someone you like has a show, maybe, you should, I don't know, watch it?Fucking nailed it. The only thing worse than a fair weather fan is a die hard fair weather fan.
Leno had to become the dumbest piece of television he could to "get his footing". People cared enough that Leno had to give up on winning the audience and go after the lowest common denominator.
All of the other late night shows are high brow?
Leno isn't funny but he obviously found his niche. In fact, most the Late Night guys suck unless there are gold mine moments like this. Which are pretty rare. Letterman is only funny if there is some vapid celebrity he's interviewing. Kimmel is only funny when he can be an outright dick to someone. These don't happen that often. Laughing at dumb headlines isn't much worse in comparison.
I think people are overrating the other late night hosts at the expense of Leno. Leno isn't funny but rarely is anyone else.
No controversy boost evident for The Jay Leno Show, as it fell 7% from last Thursday to a 1.3 rating, its lowest Thursday ever.
there are two different kinds of smart herestreet smart vs book smart too
smart and employed vs. smart and unemployed
also, all this weird schadenfreude has done is just guarantee everyone with the slightest interest will be watching leno on his first show back
i mean, it's funny, but ultimately just handed leno more viewers
also, all this weird schadenfreude has done is just guarantee everyone with the slightest interest will be watching leno on his first show back
i mean, it's funny, but ultimately just handed leno more viewers
true, but he's not at 11:35 yet
i'll bet you anything everyone tunes into that first show, at least
the bill simmons podcast brings up the question of whether The Tonight Show is 'special' anymore. As in, does it have the lustre as being this iconic show and worth fighting for.Yeah, I agree with this. The brand" became distilled once all the other networks realized they could do the exact same thing. I'm not going to give a shit who the host of the tonight show is, I'm going to care whether Letterman or Leno is better at the format. I'm surprised that the Carson nostalgia has lasted even as long as it has. Compore to say, an SNL, which despite what people think of the show at this point, still doesn't have any competitors with remotely the same prestige.
I'm not sure. The show is dragged through the mud with this whole thing and I don't think people care about the history of these shows anymore. They're seen as "Letterman" "Leno" "Conan" etc. It's mostly about the host.
Time to be an overrated internet cynic:
1) Leno is smarter than Conan. He knew how to get the spot back and he did.
lol. I don't think being conniving necessarily proves Jay's superior intellect. How about the fact that Conan graduated magna cum laude in English and History from Harvard, and Jay went to Emerson graduating in "speech therapy"? That seems to be a more substantial metric for who's the brighter bulb.
Just because there are a bunch of televisions newsmagazines like 60 Minutes doesn't make 60 Minutes any less special. It's 60 Minutes. Just as The Tonight Show is The Tonight Show.
Once the controversy passes and O'Brien disappears into the void, Leno's ratings will settle back in. This is the Internet generation, we'll be watching something else by then.
Time to be an overrated internet cynic:
1) Leno is smarter than Conan. He knew how to get the spot back and he did.
lol. I don't think being conniving necessarily proves Jay's superior intellect. How about the fact that Conan graduated magna cum laude in English and History from Harvard, and Jay went to Emerson graduating in "speech therapy"? That seems to be a more substantial metric for who's the brighter bulb.
What university someone went to doesn't mean shit.
Time to be an overrated internet cynic:
1) Leno is smarter than Conan. He knew how to get the spot back and he did.
lol. I don't think being conniving necessarily proves Jay's superior intellect. How about the fact that Conan graduated magna cum laude in English and History from Harvard, and Jay went to Emerson graduating in "speech therapy"? That seems to be a more substantial metric for who's the brighter bulb.
What university someone went to doesn't mean shit.
"speech therapy"? Is that what it takes to be a fucking millionaire?
the irony of jay leno majoring in speech therapy in college is too great for my brain to comprehend
What do I need then? I want to make 800 million dollars.
Time to be an overrated internet cynic:
1) Leno is smarter than Conan. He knew how to get the spot back and he did.
lol. I don't think being conniving necessarily proves Jay's superior intellect. How about the fact that Conan graduated magna cum laude in English and History from Harvard, and Jay went to Emerson graduating in "speech therapy"? That seems to be a more substantial metric for who's the brighter bulb.
What university someone went to doesn't mean shit.
Spoken like someone who didn't attend one of the top 30 ranked universities on the planet. :smug
no one's watching
attention couldn't even last a week :lol
Time to be an overrated internet cynic:
1) Leno is smarter than Conan. He knew how to get the spot back and he did.
lol. I don't think being conniving necessarily proves Jay's superior intellect. How about the fact that Conan graduated magna cum laude in English and History from Harvard, and Jay went to Emerson graduating in "speech therapy"? That seems to be a more substantial metric for who's the brighter bulb.
TWO-HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS SURE IS A LOT OF MONEY CONAN:lol
YES IT IS ANDY
LOLLLLLLLLLLLL
TWO-HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS SURE IS A LOT OF MONEY CONAN:lol
YES IT IS ANDY
LOLLLLLLLLLLLL
Time to be an overrated internet cynic:
1) Leno is smarter than Conan. He knew how to get the spot back and he did.
lol. I don't think being conniving necessarily proves Jay's superior intellect. How about the fact that Conan graduated magna cum laude in English and History from Harvard, and Jay went to Emerson graduating in "speech therapy"? That seems to be a more substantial metric for who's the brighter bulb.
What university someone went to doesn't mean shit.
Spoken like someone who didn't attend one of the top 30 ranked universities on the planet. :smug
Time to be an overrated internet cynic:
1) Leno is smarter than Conan. He knew how to get the spot back and he did.
lol. I don't think being conniving necessarily proves Jay's superior intellect. How about the fact that Conan graduated magna cum laude in English and History from Harvard, and Jay went to Emerson graduating in "speech therapy"? That seems to be a more substantial metric for who's the brighter bulb.
Let me guess, you're an upper middle class preppy, aren't you? That explains everything.
Time to be an overrated internet cynic:
1) Leno is smarter than Conan. He knew how to get the spot back and he did.
lol. I don't think being conniving necessarily proves Jay's superior intellect. How about the fact that Conan graduated magna cum laude in English and History from Harvard, and Jay went to Emerson graduating in "speech therapy"? That seems to be a more substantial metric for who's the brighter bulb.
Let me guess, you're an upper middle class preppy, aren't you? That explains everything.
What university someone went to is largely a measure of how hard they tried in high school. So it doesn't mean shit. The fact that Conan graduated magna cum laude is pretty awesome though.
somebody needs to gif that firefight :lol
Time to be an overrated internet cynic:
1) Leno is smarter than Conan. He knew how to get the spot back and he did.
lol. I don't think being conniving necessarily proves Jay's superior intellect. How about the fact that Conan graduated magna cum laude in English and History from Harvard, and Jay went to Emerson graduating in "speech therapy"? That seems to be a more substantial metric for who's the brighter bulb.
Let me guess, you're an upper middle class preppy, aren't you? That explains everything.
What, did you get into Harvard but weren't able to afford it or something, Himu?
Let me guess, you're an upper middle class preppy, aren't you? That explains everything.
Let me guess, you're an upper middle class preppy, aren't you? That explains everything.
Himuro was for smug feelings of superiority before he was against them.
I go to some podunk university in nova scotia. Not even people in Canada know what university I go.
I go to some podunk university in nova scotia. Not even people in Canada know what university I go.
Someone invite Andy to the Bore.
I go to some podunk university in nova scotia. Not even people in Canada know what university I go.
Saint Mary's? Mount Saint Vincent?
That was going to be my next guess.I go to some podunk university in nova scotia. Not even people in Canada know what university I go.
Saint Mary's? Mount Saint Vincent?
University of King's College
You crazy canucks
I go to some podunk university in nova scotia. Not even people in Canada know what university I go.
That sounds like an awesome school name.
its called being realistic, christina aguilera:rofl
eztv has all of themTypical Conan fan.
as well as bt-chat (which is just the eztv mirrors)
QuoteWhy'd you have to respond seriously, dcharlie?
Whilst missing tone is one of my better skills, information is empowerment! ;)
How can you guys rate yourselves like that?Thinking like that made Conan unemployed.
You should think you're a 10, no matter what.
Colbert is ugly.
I go to some podunk university in nova scotia. Not even people in Canada know what university I go.
Saint Mary's? Mount Saint Vincent?
University of King's College
They're all ugly, except Fergusan and Fallon. Fergusan is attractive in that mature, manly way. Fallon is attractive in that innocent, cute wayI agree with himu on that one.
It's a comedian scale. He's like a two otherwise.
They're all ugly, except Fergusan and Fallon. Fergusan is attractive in that mature, manly way. Fallon is attractive in that innocent, cute wayI agree with himu on that one.
It's a comedian scale. He's like a two otherwise.
They're all ugly, except Fergusan and Fallon. Fergusan is attractive in that mature, manly way. Fallon is attractive in that innocent, cute wayI agree with himu on that one.
It's a comedian scale. He's like a two otherwise.
Your scale was relative, Colbert is on par with Kimmel.
If Fallon lost wait he'd be totally cool young dude hot.
If Fallon lost wait he'd be totally cool young dude hot.
(http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/theremoteisland/2009/03/Carson%20daly.jpg)
I did not go to a Top 30 university! But I'm street smart.
I did not go to a Top 30 university! But I'm street smart.
I did not go to a Top 30 university! But I'm street smart.
With that knowledge you can somehow screw Willco over and take evilbore from his grasp. You'll be the Jay Leno of the Bore.
Lust for Fallon and lust for a love pillow are basically equivalent.
somebody needs to gif that firefight :lol
I'll get on a TON of gifs once the torrent is up.
Lust for Fallon and lust for a love pillow are basically equivalent.
NBC executives didn't give a love pillow a talk show after the love pillow satisfied them sexually. :lenowned
somebody needs to gif that firefight :lol
I'll get on a TON of gifs once the torrent is up.
What software do you use, Cajole?
Lust for Fallon and lust for a love pillow are basically equivalent.
NBC executives didn't give a love pillow a talk show after the love pillow satisfied them sexually. :lenowned
This was on NBC last night.
(http://www-movieline-com.vimg.net/images/Franco30Rock2.jpg)
Kimiko-chan
30 Rock was doing love pillow jokes? Woah
30 Rock was doing love pillow jokes? Woah
James Franco as himself in a moe relationship with a love pillow.
(I've read that the same functionality is in Photoshop CS3 -- and I guess CS4 -- but I couldn't figure it out because I'm distinguished mentally-challenged)
(I've read that the same functionality is in Photoshop CS3 -- and I guess CS4 -- but I couldn't figure it out because I'm distinguished mentally-challenged)
Import -> Video Frames into Layers -> Type in * on the filename field so you can open anything -- GIFs even
GS didn't need to go to a great school to become . . . what is it that he became again?
Not even cynical late night show hosts picked on Fallon but cynics on evilbore do >:(
Plus - he has a bad case of MEGA SMUG FACE CONFIDENCE.
somebody needs to gif that firefight :lol
I'll get on a TON of gifs once the torrent is up.
What software do you use, Cajole?
VirtualDub + Imageready CS2
(I've read that the same functionality is in Photoshop CS3 -- and I guess CS4 -- but I couldn't figure it out because I'm distinguished mentally-challenged)
What university someone went to doesn't mean shit.It means a lot actually. Especially if you're school is well-known for it's biology/comp.science/etc programs, it'll really help your job prospects. For normal GE classes, there's probably not a lot of variation but even if you get the easiest degree possible at an ivy league school, it would have taken a lot of work to get into it.
30 Rock was doing love pillow jokes? Woah
James Franco as himself in a moe relationship with a love pillow.
I did not go to a Top 30 university! But I'm street smart.
With that knowledge you can somehow screw Willco over and take evilbore from his grasp. You'll be the Jay Leno of the Bore.
Good luck: street smart <<< Jew smart
also, I think Willco is already the Jay Leno of evilbore.
I did not go to a Top 30 university! But I'm street smart.
With that knowledge you can somehow screw Willco over and take evilbore from his grasp. You'll be the Jay Leno of the Bore.
Good luck: street smart <<< Jew smart
also, I think Willco is already the Jay Leno of evilbore.
Unfunny and inexplicably in charge of things? Check and check.
Just kidding. :lenowned
Why Some Comics Aren’t Laughing at Jay Leno (Essay).Search Speakeasy .Article Interactive Graphics Comments (256)
By Nathan Rabin
Late night television quickly turned into “Everybody Hates Jay.” Many professional comics consider Jay Leno one of the best stand-up comedians of his generation. In his prime, Leno was a brilliant craftsman with sharp material, impeccable delivery, fantastic timing and an affable everyman persona. Even future enemy David Letterman had enormous respect for him as a stand-up comic in the beginning.
So why has seemingly the sum of the comedy world turned on Leno with shocking viciousness? Why has he raced past the reviled likes of Dane Cook and Carlos Mencia on the list of popular stand-ups comedians love to hate? What is behind the widespread sense that Leno sold his soul when he took over “The Tonight Show”? Why do Leno’s peers in the comedy world, like Howard Stern, view him as a stand-up version of scheming “What Makes Sammy Run?” anti-hero Sammy Glick, a sentient ball of runaway ambition willing to destroy anyone who gets in his way?
In this current late-night melodrama Conan O’Brien, a beloved figure among comedy geeks for his generosity towards comedians, eagerness to explore uncharted comic terrain and deep respect for the art, craft and history of comedy, has emerged as the wronged party and Leno as the villain.
Late night television quickly turned into “Everybody Hates Jay.” The response was quick, vitriolic and widespread. In an audacious move, ABC’s Jimmy Kimmel donned a gray wig, affixed putty to his chin and performed an entire episode of “Jimmy Kimmel Live!” in the guise of Leno.
In his finest hour, Kimmel nailed everything that people hate about Leno: the cheap, pandering jokes, the maddening way Leno’s whole head shakes with delight when he’s particularly amused by one of his quips and the nauseatingly sycophantic banter between Leno and band leader/sidekick Kevin Eubanks.
Kimmel followed this up by going on “The Jay Leno Show” as a guest on its “10@10″ segment and making pointed remarks about Leno’s treatment of O’Brien. “Conan and I have children,” said Kimmel. “All you have to take care of is cars. We have lives to lead here. You’ve got $800 million for God’s sake. Leave our shows alone.” Leno had achieved the seemingly impossible: he single-handedly made a late-night also-ran like Kimmel seem hip, edgy, relevant and borderline dangerous.
Not to be outdone, Letterman, Leno’s old arch-nemesis and competitor for “The Tonight Show” slot following Johnny Carson’s retirement, has fired shots at Leno as well, deriding him brattily but amusingly as “Big Jaw”, taking great delight in his current woes and proposing a “Law & Order” spin off called “Leno Victims Unit” featuring all the people Leno has hurt in his mad grab for power, money and ratings: O’Brien, Jimmy Fallon and Carson Daly, all of whom would have much worse time slots if Leno’s show begins after the nightly news.
The normally mild-mannered O’Brien has done little to conceal his contempt for Leno. He appears visibly upset when he discusses his long-time lead-in. His jokes about Leno and NBC betray a newfound nastiness. Letterman and O’Brien have both indulged in cruel impersonations of Leno as an asinine chatterbox with a high-pitched nasal whine of a voice. The gloves are off. Everyone is suddenly gunning for Leno.
As a kid, I used to look forward to Leno’s appearances as a guest on “The Tonight Show With Johnny Carson.” He was an ideal talk show guest: quick, funny and enormously likeable. For proof, check out some of the comedian’s 1980s appearances on “Late Night With David Letterman” and experience cognitive dissonance watching a loose and lively Leno crack Letterman up as they pal around like old college buddies. In his ’80s heyday, Leno had few peers in the realm of observational comedy.
After taking over “The Tonight Show” everything changed. In the words of comedy guru Patton Oswalt, it was as if a switch had been flipped. Leno stopped evolving and began devolving rapidly. Leno no longer seemed interested in the art of comedy. He pandered to the lowest common denominator with material that didn’t even attempt to hide his contempt for his audience.
To me, the quintessential Jay Leno bit is Jaywalking, a sourly misanthropic endeavor where Leno derives cheap laughs from the abject stupidity of everyday folk. Leno asks these dullards easy questions, then luxuriates in a smug sense of superiority when they come up with “comically” idiotic answers. What makes this enterprise so abhorrent, beyond the overwhelming air of snide condescension, is that these easily amused half-wits double as Leno’s core audience.
To comedy writers, Leno’s massive success represents the triumph of mediocrity. It’s the tragedy of a prodigiously talented stand-up making a conscious decision to dumb down his material to reach the widest possible audience. He won over the masses while alienating comedy geeks. He came to symbolize everything crass and mercenary about comedy. As the years went on, Leno became synonymous with Monica Lewinsky and O.J. jokes. His name became shorthand for lazy, dumb and obvious comedy. To comedy snobs, “The Tonight Show” under his nightmare realm was one long Dancing Itos sketch.
Comedy writers had an antithetical response to O’Brien. He was one of their own, literally. He graduated from Harvard and wrote for “Saturday Night Live” and “The Simpsons” during some of their glory years before making an exquisitely unexpected transformation to on-camera performer as host of “Late Night With Conan O’Brien.” More than that, they responded to his sensibility; gleefully absurd, quirky, caffeinated, jazzy, smartass and just plain smart. He had a weakness for the kind of weird, conceptual sketches comedy writers love. If the Dancing Itos represents Leno’s signature bit, characters like Triumph the Insult Comic Dog and the Masturbating Bear epitomize O’Brien’s warped sensibility.
Conan O’Brien and Jay Leno in happier times.Like Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert, O’Brien numbers among Letterman’s creative progeny. Letterman is the beloved cranky uncle who brandishes irony, sarcasm and world-weary cynicism like swords of righteousness. Moreover, Letterman has the personality and disposition of a comedy writer. He embodies the essence of black comedy; the belief that you have to be able to laugh at the darkness and stupidity of the world or it will destroy you.
Comedy writers are, on the whole, a troubled lot. Funny people drink too much. They squander their money. They use drugs. They’re prone to depression, insomnia and mental illness, to tumultuous relationships and serial divorces. So when Letterman recently confessed that he’d slept with members of his staff and was the subject of a blackmail attempt it only made comedy writers love him more.
The lives of comedy greats are supposed to be messy: think Richard Pryor or Peter Sellers. We’re addicted to the archetype of the sad clown, laughing on the outside, weeping uncontrollably on the inside.
Yet Leno never seems to have wrestled with drugs or alcohol problems.
He’s been married to the same woman for decades. He has amassed a vast fortune working nonstop yet never spends his money on anything other than his overflowing collection of sports cars. He seems devoid of angst.
He suffers from a terrible dearth of personal demons. Leno is so normal and functional that he’s practically a freak. That creeps out comedy writers who would rather have their heroes stagger into the gutter, penniless and filled with contempt for a world that has shunned them, than play yet another Indian casino to pay for that 32nd Maserati.
Bitterness is an almost universal trait among funny people. They hate it when their friends become successful. They grow positively apoplectic when success comes to someone they consider unworthy. The bigger the success, the bigger the resentment and Leno has attained a level of fame most comics can only dream about. Even more unforgivably, that success came at the expense of more worthy souls: first Letterman and now O’Brien.
I cringed during the part in the very last “Late Night With Conan O’Brien” where its eternally gracious host thanked Leno for all he’d done for his career. I wanted to scream at the television, “No! Jay Leno is not your friend! I don’t care how good he’s been to you, he’s nobody’s friend! He’s the enemy!” So it’s been strangely exciting seeing O’Brien fire verbal darts in the direction of his longtime lead-in.
Comedy writers have enjoyed a highly concentrated blast of Schadenfreude since Leno’s show was cancelled but it comes tainted with the knowledge that Leno is dragging O’Brien, Fallon and even poor Carson Daly down with him. This scuffle has transformed O’Brien from a cult figure on the brink of conquering the mainstream to a contemporary folk hero. The Internet has raced to O’Brien’s defense in his battle against this preeminent monster of banality. Mike Mitchell’s popular “I’m With Coco” mock campaign poster and T-shirt featuring an unusually serious-looking Conan (Coco is one of O’Brien’s many affectionate nicknames) in front of an American flag has become both a rallying point for fans and the late-night comedy equivalent of Shepherd Fairey’s iconic image of President Obama.
It remains to be seen whether NBC will back down or if O’Brien will leave the network acrimoniously, possibly for a spot on Fox. It seems certain, however, that Leno’s once-vaunted reputation among his peers has sunk well beyond the point of rehabilitation or redemption.
Nathan Rabin is the head writer of the A.V Club, the entertainment section of the Onion, and the author of “The Big Rewind: A Memoir Brought to You by Pop Culture” (Scribner).
A bunch of stuff about Leno being a Machiavellian genius
PS The existence of George Dubya Bush pretty much destroys the idea of intelligence as validated by either elite universities or career success.
Stolen from GAF:
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxcAAb60lik[/youtube]
Stern knows what's up.
Leno is a mack not only on Late Night but in real life. Now watch as Conan's life falls apart :smug
PS The existence of George Dubya Bush pretty much destroys the idea of intelligence as validated by either elite universities or career success.
Back then it was easier to get into an Ivy league school if you had connections. I'm sure Conan got in on merit.
PS The existence of George Dubya Bush pretty much destroys the idea of intelligence as validated by either elite universities or career success.
Back then it was easier to get into an Ivy league school if you had connections. I'm sure Conan got in on merit.
He got in because he won some creative writing contest in high school, IIRC.
PS The existence of George Dubya Bush pretty much destroys the idea of intelligence as validated by either elite universities or career success.
Back then it was easier to get into an Ivy league school if you had connections. I'm sure Conan got in on merit.
He got in because he won some creative writing contest in high school, IIRC.
Conan? He was the valedictorian of his HS. I think he did more than win a writing contest.
We're just a week away from Late Night television being restored back to normal. Goodbye, Conan. Maybe you find peace beyond the flames.
u mad
Leper whoever is responsible for updating this thread's title every hour. ALLAH.
I'm banning BrandNew
There's little wonder why Willco has an affinity for Leno -- the man has trolled the entire internet-forum community without ever having actually seen a forum himself.
oh dude let it go, I was just having fun with willco. He knows it's not my life's purpose to foil his trolls.
It's all cool.
You self-potatoed pretty hard on this one, Willco. Announcing your trolls in advance? Son, I am disappoint.
You self-potatoed pretty hard on this one, Willco. Announcing your trolls in advance? Son, I am disappoint.
Why would I care if I announced it here? I'd trust you guys to not be lame.
I guess I was MISTAKEN.
... It wouldn't have matter even if I didn't announce it here! Everyone here knows I watch Conan and such. It's not really a secret. Whereas my NeoGAF post history is all pro-Leno.
Doesn't one of the GAF mods lurk here anyway?
Doesn't one of the GAF mods lurk here anyway?
That's preposterous.
That's preposterous.I know about you but like dragona or bishop?
Also, Leno and Letterman also paid their staff. Conan wasn't even the first talk show host to do so! What a lemming.
<snip>
Except when he killed all those hookers.
Conan O'Brien can get a whole lot of money from NBC as a parting gift, but there will be strings attached -- not the least of which ... Conan cannot trash the network. Sources tell us NBC wants a liquidated damages clause if Conan says anything disparaging about the network once he leaves. Essentially that means there is a clause in the contract that says Conan will automatically pay a predetermined amount of money if he says bad things about NBC. And, as we have previously reported, NBC will demand that Conan not take another hosting job for a certain period of time. Sources say NBC will be paying Conan a hefty sum, but that will be offset by any amount Conan makes for his next hosting gig. So if Conan makes a deal with FOX, NBC can reduce the amount it pays Conan by the amount FOX forks over. FYI -- we've learned Conan's existing contract already has an offset clause in the event he leaves NBC and takes another job. Bottom line -- Conan won't be taking NBC to the cleaners.
Wasn't that when they were employed on Late Night? How big could their salaries have been? Five, maybe seven dollars an hour?
Wow, he's so generous. ::)
At least Leno looks out for his own.
When he is unbanned, I promised BrandNew that I'd take him fishing.
I like BrandNew, but he is literally acting like he and Conan O'Brien are BFFs that go skiing together on weekends.
He went and posted where I said I was going to troll NeoGAF on NeoGAF, thus completely sinking my troll. I could have rebounded from skeptics, but BrandNew is such a CoCo butt lover he couldn't handle someone even JOKINGLY trashing Conan.:lol You children and your talk shows
HEY, HE BETRAYED THE FAMILY, JUICE. I LOVED HIM LIKE A BROTHER.*spoiler (click to show/hide)*That wears scarves and listens to Pitchfork music.[close]
I don't have the chin to permaban BrandNew
HEY, HE BETRAYED THE FAMILY, JUICE. I LOVED HIM LIKE A BROTHER.*spoiler (click to show/hide)*That wears scarves and listens to Pitchfork music.[close]
I KNEW IT WAS YOU, BRANDNEW
Since that pic I posted isn't showing up anymore and no one on Wikipedia has edited it back yet:When I read that, the first "See Also" link was "Jay Leno" :lol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_giver
It still is!Since that pic I posted isn't showing up anymore and no one on Wikipedia has edited it back yet:When I read that, the first "See Also" link was "Jay Leno" :lol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_giver
i think leno should embrace his villainy and make it part of his onscreen personality, like vince mcmahon did after he screwjobbed bret hart
for instance, he could hire andy, and every now and then look over at him and gravely say "i didn't hear you laughing, fatstuff." :lenowned
If Conan goes to FOX and still bombs in the ratings who will the Internet blame then?
Despite the considerable power of his raw sexuality and mesmerizing intellectual presence:wtf
They'll always exist, simply because they'll have the most money to spend on productions. Stuff like Lost and 24 and such couldn't exist on basic cable.
At the time, he did have options at ABC (Fox was also interested). Nightline wasn't as dominant as it is today, and the network would have had no problems bumping Kimmel. I think their preference was to have Conan on at 11:35, followed by Nightline (Kimmel gets dumped).
Some say CBS was interested too, but I think that's poppycock.
But yeah, he had a legitimate shot to go to ABC against Leno and Letterman. Fox as well if Murdoch threw around enough cash. But NBC thought that when Leno was approaching 60-years-old, it'd be more than enough time to pass the torch. And Leno was the guy who signed off on it. Nobody counted on this.
Personally, I would have dumped Leno. He might carry The Tonight Show for another decade (maybe), but he's getting up there. Besides, if they dumped him now, where would he go? Fox wouldn't be interested. ABC might, but he'd be on at 12:35 (or later, depending on the affiliate). How much damage could he have possibly done.
While I don't think Conan will be successful at Fox, if anyone has a chance on that network, it's him.
HBO will pony up for miniseries, which they can then sell at a premium, and only if they can get other partners in on the financing. It's not the same.Yeah, Rome was co-financed by the BBC, and Band of Brothers/The Pacific are being buoyed by Dreamworks.
And unless you're Spielberg or Scorcese, they won't sink that kind of cash in it.
HBO will pony up for miniseries, which they can then sell at a premium, and only if they can get other partners in on the financing. It's not the same.Yeah, Rome was co-financed by the BBC, and Band of Brothers/The Pacific are being buoyed by Dreamworks.
And unless you're Spielberg or Scorcese, they won't sink that kind of cash in it.
I only download the torrents. :(
Scorsese is a fucking midget!
You'd still hit it.
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/38406562d8/conan-rally-late-night-street-fight (http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/38406562d8/conan-rally-late-night-street-fight)
:rofl
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/38406562d8/conan-rally-late-night-street-fight (http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/38406562d8/conan-rally-late-night-street-fight)
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TMZ reports that Fox purchased the domain name Conanonfox.com last week and turned it into a link for a Twitter feed featuring the likeness of NBC's redheaded stepchild. And before you go proclaiming that the site is a fake, TMZ also confirms that the domain name is a registered property of "20th Cent Fox."
And here's something interesting: the Twitter feed, which has attracted over 800 followers since it hit the web, has just posted a rather ominous Tweet that reads, "'Triumph means many things to many different people'- SoSH. Stay tuned."
Could this mean that Conan has a new home or is this just another attempt to fake out the entire world? I called Fox's public relations office and when asked about the website, an unidentified Fox spokesperson said, "We wouldn't comment but thank you for calling" and immediately hung up the phone.
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http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/38406562d8/conan-rally-late-night-street-fight (http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/38406562d8/conan-rally-late-night-street-fight)
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Conan just said he's moving to Fox.
Conan just said he's moving to Fox.
WHAT IF: Fox already got like 50% of them to agree already but they're keeping it on the low-low?
Will watch Letterman's clips on Gawker!
Will watch Letterman's clips on Gawker!
seriously, i just discovered gawker tv last night and there is no reason for me to even watch these things anymore
God, Tarentino is so fucking annoying. :yuck
I totally see Tarentino as a guy that chokes chicks for sexual gratification.
Now I understand his love for wtf scenes, like the one where he drops his zombie balls in Planet Terror.
Paul Bettany is a creepy looking dude.
Paul Bettany is a creepy looking dude.
You'd fuck him.
Paul Bettany is a creepy looking dude.
You'd fuck him.
Jennifer Connelly does.
I am actually thinking about using my passes to see Legion just to yuk it up in theaters.
I am actually thinking about using my passes to see Legion just to yuk it up in theaters.
Here's the gawker page with tonight's Letterman stuff:
http://tv.gawker.com/5452391/david-letterman-jay-leno-is-a-thief
This is awesome!!!
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... I don't know what the correlation is, other than a complete lack of morals, but okay!
This is awesome!!!The fuck did I just watch? :wtf
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if even the people working within the industry dont pony up then why should i?
I totally see Tarentino as a guy that chokes chicks for sexual gratification.:lenowned
Smash the windshield Conan
Smash the windshield Conan
Yeah, he totally should've destroyed it.
I feel like Joel McHale is gonna be awesome.
Although I just remembered he stars on Community, which is on NBC. :(
UPDATE 6:27 AM CDT/4:27 AM PST
From an NBC spokeswoman:
"NBC confirms a deal is signed and an official announcement will be made this morning."
ORIGINAL POST 3 AM CDT/ 1 AM PST
Our long national late-night nightmare is over.
After nearly two weeks of protracted, oft-bitter and highly publicized divorce proceedings, "Tonight Show" host Conan O'Brien and NBC have finally put pen to paper on a $40 million-plus breakup agreement. O'Brien's manager, Gavin Polone, confirmed the signing to TheWrap early Thursday.
"It's signed," Polone said.
Among the final sticking points, according to reports in recent days, was severance for O'Brien's staff. There were other issues as well, insiders said.
"In the end, Conan was appreciative of the steps NBC made to take care of his staff and crew and decided to supplement the severance they were getting out of his own pocket," Polone told TheWrap. "Now he just wants to get back on the air as quickly as possible."
NBC reps couldn't immediately be reached early Thursday. (Update: An NBC rep, reached early Thursday morning, declined comment.)
O'Brien will end his seven-month stewardship of a national institution Friday, unwillingly handing back custody of an iconic television brand badly bruised by a series of management missteps breathtaking in their ineptitude.
Then, it's expected that on March 1, "Tonight" will return with new/old host Jay Leno, the well-liked but never beloved stand-up comic who unapologetically campaigned to replace Johnny Carson in the 1990s, dominated the ratings through much of 2000s and now finds himself charged with maintaining the relevancy of a 60-year talk-show formula threatened with extinction in an era of viral comedy and ceaseless celebrity exposure.
Among the biggest unanswered questions linked to the crisis: What will O'Brien do now? Can Leno salvage his good guy reputation with the public? And will the barrage of negative coverage related to the past week's events lead to NBCU chief executive officer Jeff Zucker's ouster -- or is that just wishful thinking on the part of Zucker's many Hollywood enemies?
O'Brien will be free to begin work for another network on Sept. 1, said a person familiar with the deal. No formal conversations with any other outlets have started, but Fox has already started flirting with Coco.
NBC will end up taking a massive financial hit to make its Conan problem go away, with insiders estimating the cost of various buyouts and penalties directly related to his exit in excess of $40 million. That doesn't count the millions wasted on creating, marketing and promoting the new "Tonight," including an estimated $50 million spent building a new studio and office complex for Conan on the Universal lot.
O'Brien's personal payday -- estimated to be in the vicinity of $30 million -- will be more than the value left on his lucrative deal with NBC, with other monies being used to pay for buyouts for executive producer Jeff Ross and other staffers.
A final deal was held up as NBC and O'Brien's camp haggled over severance packages for employees who uprooted their families to head west for "Tonight."
O'Brien and NBC negotiated severance packages for non-union workers who don't have long-term deals. Those severance agreements are said to be "much better" than the typical NBC buyout.
It's understood O'Brien will divert some of his own settlement funds toward a pool of monies to be used for the staff exit packages.
Other contract players, including announcer Andy Richter and band leader Max Weinberg, will settle out their own deals with NBC separately, people with knowledge of the situation said.
Amazingly, dumping O'Brien -- costly though it will be -- may have been the smarter financial move for the network, at least in the short term.
That's because had NBC decided to kill Leno at 10, but not offer him "Tonight" (or a half-hour 11:35 show), it's believed Leno's contract with the network would have been even more expensive to buy out than O'Brien's pact, one industry insider close to the situation said.
Because Leno has no agent or manager, however, details of his deal have been harder to confirm.
In any case, NBC's exit package with O'Brien will buy -- at least for a while -- the host's silence. With the deal signed, O'Brien has agreed to a short period of time in which he can't give any media interviews or slam NBC publicly. NBC has also agreed to a media blackout.
He will be able to make NBC jokes on any new show he might host -- though the Peacock always has the option to sue for defamation if it wants to. This shouldn't be a problem for O'Brien, however, since the host is said to not to be interested in continuing his recent on-air NBC bashing or in getting into any future spats with the network.
Indeed, O'Brien is expected to keep a low profile in the weeks after he leaves "Tonight," most likely not doing interviews or talk show appearances right away.
NBC, not surprisingly, will own bits and characters created by O'Brien during his 17 years at the network. That doesn't mean some schtick couldn't still pop up on a new show: David Letterman found a way to tweak his Top Ten lists when he moved to CBS, and "the Letterman template" could be followed by O'Brien.
Insiders confirmed that there have been some early conversations about the possibility of O'Brien remaining in his newly built Universal City studio and office complex, with his new network leasing the space back from NBC U.
But such a scenario remains highly hypothetical, since O'Brien's team has no idea what he'll do next -- or where he'll do it.
It's possible O'Brien might choose to leave L.A. and return to New York. And even he stays in LA, until it's known what kind of show O'Brien will host, it's impossible to say whether he'll need a large facility such as the one now used for "Tonight."
"If he did a 'Daily Show'-style program, he wouldn't need such a large facility," one industry insider speculated.
Barring any lease deal, O'Brien's exit package with NBC will give "Tonight Show staffers just a few weeks to clear out of their offices.
They probably new a bunch of hipsters were going to spam hulu for that skit.s incoherent
Who owns Triumph, NBC or Smigel?
the fanboys would go on hulu and refresh the episode over and over again to "get back" at nbc or something.s incoherent
Who owns Triumph, NBC or Smigel?
So I left the TV on...
Everyone who has said Jimmy Fallon has improved is a filthy liar.
You've all done a fine job building up a bias against me even when I'm obviously kidding.
I'm an easy target, but it's just not that funny anymore.
You've all done a fine job building up a bias against me even when I'm obviously kidding.
I'm an easy target, but it's just not that funny anymore.
Where is the emo-Willco smiley when I need it.
gis "emo guy scarf" turned up that gem
gis "emo guy scarf" turned up that gem
His scarf thingie (I forget its actual name) is hilarious
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gis "emo guy scarf" turned up that gem
His scarf thingie (I forget its actual name) is hilarious
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2qdbkf8.gif)
MAKE THIS :BRANDNEW IMMEDIATELY
ALSO LEPER WILLCO
People bash Fallon but what I've seen of his Late Night he's actually trying new things as opposed to doing the same old format. You'd never see Letterman using Twitter/facebook/digg live on the air. Fallon was always annoying on SNL but not so much on Late Night. At least he isn't Carson Daly.
gis "emo guy scarf" turned up that gem
His scarf thingie (I forget its actual name) is hilarious
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2qdbkf8.gif)
gis "emo guy scarf" turned up that gem
His scarf thingie (I forget its actual name) is hilarious
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2qdbkf8.gif)
I suggest the more generic :emoscarfspoiler (click to show/hide)or maybe :timrogers[close]
People bash Fallon but what I've seen of his Late Night he's actually trying new things as opposed to doing the same old format. You'd never see Letterman using Twitter/facebook/digg live on the air. Fallon was always annoying on SNL but not so much on Late Night. At least he isn't Carson Daly.
You know, sometimes I forgot how bad your taste is, then you go and make a post like this and it all rushes back.
People bash Fallon but what I've seen of his Late Night he's actually trying new things as opposed to doing the same old format. You'd never see Letterman using Twitter/facebook/digg live on the air. Fallon was always annoying on SNL but not so much on Late Night. At least he isn't Carson Daly.
did you guys see Leno's use of the "bing" search engine? You'd never see Conan using Bing. Better comedian my ass!:lol
Good, I can finally go back to not caring about late night talk shows.Same. Hopefully Conan blows 10 million on tonight's episode and then I'll just go back to entertaining shows.
Good, I can finally go back to not caring about late night talk shows.
Good, I can finally go back to not caring about late night talk shows.
People bash Fallon but what I've seen of his Late Night he's actually trying new things as opposed to doing the same old format. You'd never see Letterman using Twitter/facebook/digg live on the air. Fallon was always annoying on SNL but not so much on Late Night. At least he isn't Carson Daly.
epic montage
epic montage
That was pretty sentimental. Is BrandNew crying?
That was pretty sentimental. Is BrandNew crying?
It's like watching your best friend move away and never be seen again.
Oh wait, no it isn't.
It's like watching your best friend move away and never be seen again.
Oh wait, no it isn't.
It's like watching your best friend move away and never be seen again.:lol
Oh wait, no it isn't.
Is that Beck? :lol
Man, BrandNew is probably sobbing into the tattered ends of his scarf right nowspoiler (click to show/hide)I <3 U BrandNew[close]
Who owns Triumph, NBC or Smigel?It sounds like NBC does. :'(
Who owns Triumph, NBC or Smigel?
It sounds like NBC does. :'(
Hey look everybody, it's Fallon!
Now we can stop watching Late Night TV!
Hey look everybody, it's Fallon!
Now we can stop watching Late Night TV!
Nah, Craig has the build team from Mythbusters on.
Hey look everybody, it's Fallon!
Now we can stop watching Late Night TV!
Nah, Craig has the build team from Mythbusters on.
This is the first Fallon monologue I've seen. Dude's sort of stiff, isn't he? Sort of a monotoned, impassionate delivery.
This is the first Fallon monologue I've seen. Dude's sort of stiff, isn't he? Sort of a monotoned, impassionate delivery.
It's really bad. I don't get the impression he'll be improving either.
Conan's farewell speech is this generations version of the Lou Gherig speech.
Oh my God. (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19420001&postcount=9691)QuoteConan's farewell speech is this generations version of the Lou Gherig speech.
God, our generation truly sucks then.
If you missed it...
http://tv.gawker.com/5455131/late-night-wars-friday-our-last-dance-with-coco
Just for fun, here are the top ten posters in this thread:
BrandNew 432
SpeedingUptoStop 197
Tobor 188
Blader5489 165
gdt5016 155
Brinbe 154
Trurl 139
Sanjuro Tsubaki 133
numble 130
snesfreak 122
That finale was epic. ZZ, Beck, Elvis Costello and Conan Shredding. I didn't recognize who was on the board though.
Will Ferrell singing it was appropriately bizarre for Conan. It was like one of those "you know what would be fun to do?" ideas realized. Like Will and Conan thought about jamming to freebird with a bunch of random rock stars while drunk one night.
The last time Will was funny was Talladega Nights, and that was, what, three and a half years ago already?Will Ferrell singing it was appropriately bizarre for Conan. It was like one of those "you know what would be fun to do?" ideas realized. Like Will and Conan thought about jamming to freebird with a bunch of random rock stars while drunk one night.
Meh. I really like Freebird, as overrated as it is, and the vocals aren't hard to nail. Will came off like he didn't even really give a shit.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=35HKJ42K
or
http://hotfile.com/dl/25425852/a35ce87/Conan.O.Brien.2010.01.22.Conans.Last.NBC.Show.HDTV.XviD-2HD_Hotfile-Zone.com.avi.html
The last time Will was funny was Talladega Nights, and that was, what, three and a half years ago already?Will Ferrell singing it was appropriately bizarre for Conan. It was like one of those "you know what would be fun to do?" ideas realized. Like Will and Conan thought about jamming to freebird with a bunch of random rock stars while drunk one night.
Meh. I really like Freebird, as overrated as it is, and the vocals aren't hard to nail. Will came off like he didn't even really give a shit.
The last time Will was funny was Talladega Nights, and that was, what, three and a half years ago already?
Who the hell cares about Ferrell? jesus
Who the hell cares if Ferrell didn't nail the vocals? jesus
Oh my God. (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19420001&postcount=9691)QuoteConan's farewell speech is this generations version of the Lou Gherig speech.
God, our generation truly sucks then.
Oh my God. (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19420001&postcount=9691)QuoteConan's farewell speech is this generations version of the Lou Gherig speech.
God, our generation truly sucks then.
what. the. fuck.
Anyway, that was a really great last show. And yeah, who the fuck cares about the vocals. I'm not even a Farrell fan, but that was fun.
Oh my God. (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19420001&postcount=9691)QuoteConan's farewell speech is this generations version of the Lou Gherig speech.
God, our generation truly sucks then.
what. the. fuck.
Anyway, that was a really great last show. And yeah, who the fuck cares about the vocals. I'm not even a Farrell fan, but that was fun.
The only way it would be anything like Lou Gherig's speech is if Conan was leaving the Tonight Show because he was DYING.
That finale was epic. ZZ, Beck, Elvis Costello and Conan Shredding. I didn't recognize who was on the board though.