Random Gaming Talk Thread

[HardcoreRetro]

Man, PC gamers must be ecstatic. That dogshit Sackboy game is coming to pc.

[Himu]

What even is the point of having a playstation 5?

[Rahxephon91]

The same point of having a high end PC or Series Xbox. To play current games at the best possible way within your means. With a few Sony exclusives here and there.

If you have either of those other options sure there isn't really any. Unless you don't want to wait for say God or War R.  But if your preference is Playststion and or consoles in general and you want the best version of these games then sure there's a point.

[Himu]

Not every game on Series X comes to PC Gamepass.

[Rahxephon91]

Yeah and?


If its not on PC gamepass, I'm sure PC gamers have and are use to buying games through the several storefronts they are ascomtend too.

That's my point. It's really about preference and choice.

[Tasty]

What even is the point of having a playstation 5?

[Bebpo]

Not every game on Series X comes to PC Gamepass.

Every exclusive one does.

[Svejk]

I love my PS5.    It shits astronomical heights over my PC, Switch and PS4.  All for $400. 
 Whole lotta win for me.  Y'all enjoyoselves.

[Bebpo]

I mean...outside XB3 I haven't touched my Switch in like 2 years. Haven't turned on my PS4 in three years. Don't have an Xbox. So pretty much just play PC and PS5 and perfectly happy with that combo. PS5 does me well for console stuff and Sony games. I'm not going to wait 2 years+ for maybe a PC port down the road. At least with MS games it's Day 1 on PC. If MS exclusives were 2-3 years later on PC I might get an Xbox.

My only real complaint about PS5 now that it has VRR and 1440p and folders, is I wish VRR went covered drops to 40fps instead of 48fps and I wish the system had Dolby Vision for 4k BDs instead of HDR10 only (I can't tell the difference but people like DV a little better). Also I wish the disc drive was separate from launch like the new rumors because I'm pretty sure my disc drive is gonna die and fuck me over with my 4k BD collection.

[Svejk]

If my PC had something better than crappy i3 and could play it in my living room, I'd play it A LOT more than I do.  Nothing beats modding.

[Rahxephon91]

A few years ago I bought a very up-to-date computer.

 I used it to play Dead Space 2 and Quantum Break.

It was nice to play them at higher fidelity than their console versions.

Now I mostly use it to play Final Fantasy XIV at 120FPS.

It's cool, but in the end I like my console and playing on the tv. I like buying my physical discs. That's just the way I like to interact with my video games.

As of right now, PS5 is basically a Super PS4 Pro, and thats fine with me. It's playing PS4, cross-gen, and PS5 exclusives very well. My Switch is great for those exclusives and multi-console jrpgs that seem perfectly fine on it.

I do have a series X for the occasional MS game.

And thats what it really comes down to. Why get any system? Why invest in pc gaming? Because thats how you want to play your games. If you are fine with a PS4, PS4 Pro, Xbox One still then yeah stay with that. Games are still perfectly fine on the PS4, but I mean I'd rather play Resident Evil 8 on 60fps yknow. Sure the pro can run God of War fine, but the PS5 can run it better. And thats what I want.

[paprikastaude]

Cheaper than a PC. Can be used for at least another 5 years. Likely the last viable platform for offline gaming and physical (though apparently Xbox seems to have done somthing about DRM a few days back?). Ugly, but still not as manchildish as neon glowing graphics cards in your appartment. Replay/keep playing one of the biggest gaming libraries through enhanced backwards compat and without your TV setup turning into a jet engine

[Nintex]

PC is almost there as a console replacement but not yet.

PlayStation is in a weird spot because Sony has given up on Japan in favor of the US and Europe.
This means there aren't as many exclusives as before but the PS4 is still getting a lot of those Japanese releases, sometimes those are VITA upscales/ports.

According to my brother the game industry has 2 big problems right now.
- The new engines (UE5) aren't ready
- There's a lot of artists and developers but not enough good game designers

So he says the remaster/remake/asset flip train will keep rolling for a number of years so developers get familiar with all the new tools and technology.
This gives the game designers some more time for pre-production on their next games.

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[Potato]

Again, I say, this is the most pointless generation of consoles ever.

What is the purpose of these things aside from playing higher definition remakes of games already released or games being released on previous generation consoles?

Nothing this gen needed these consoles in order to be played. It's not even like the experience of a particular game on the current gen is really any better than the previous gen either.

[Svejk]

Again, I say, this is the most pointless generation of consoles ever.

What is the purpose of these things aside from playing higher definition remakes of games already released or games being released on previous generation consoles?

Nothing this gen needed these consoles in order to be played. It's not even like the experience of a particular game on the current gen is really any better than the previous gen either.

Load times.  Night and day difference and worth every penny.

[MMaRsu]

You can play on your tv, on a couch, dualshock 4 in hand, cock in your other hand, with gsync full 4k 120hz oled display and never have to worry about a fucking console again

[Rahxephon91]

Seems kind of dumb to say this generation is pointless when it hasn't really kicked in thanks to the thing that pretty much hamstringed the world for three years

[Rahxephon91]

You can play on your tv, on a couch, dualshock 4 in hand, cock in your other hand, with gsync full 4k 120hz oled display and never have to worry about a fucking console again

I don't play with my cock in my hand, but if that's your preference than great.

My preference is consoles. I don't know why it's hard for some of you to understand this.  You want a PC? That's great. Plenty of people don't.

[Himu]

Again, I say, this is the most pointless generation of consoles ever.

What is the purpose of these things aside from playing higher definition remakes of games already released or games being released on previous generation consoles?

Nothing this gen needed these consoles in order to be played. It's not even like the experience of a particular game on the current gen is really any better than the previous gen either.

I wouldn't say so. A lot of stuff was held back because the consoles had shit hardware even at the time.

[Tuckers Law]

“Shit hardware” 

[Bebpo]

Again, I say, this is the most pointless generation of consoles ever.

What is the purpose of these things aside from playing higher definition remakes of games already released or games being released on previous generation consoles?

Nothing this gen needed these consoles in order to be played. It's not even like the experience of a particular game on the current gen is really any better than the previous gen either.

I mean, a lot of the games I have been playing on my PS5 which are cross-gen
...I wouldn't have wanted to play them on PS4.

Getting 60fps instead of 30fps and some extra anti-alaising, higher resolution, some added effects...is still a pretty good experience. Like Rahx said, PS5 is PS4 Super Pro or something most of the time, but I was fine buying a PS4 Pro for the better versions (like buying a new gpu every 3-4 years) and I'm fine with PS5 doing that as well.

Don't forget these new consoles PS5 and XSX are also 4K BD players. The average price for a decent 4K BD player is like $500-800. If you have a 4K tv and still watch physical media movies, this is a big plus to the systems value-wise.

Plus, non-cross-gen is coming. I'm sorry, but in 5 years we're still not going to be playing cross-gen PS4 games outside rare stuff from Japan. Meanwhile this gen is gonna easily last 8-10 years because of the pandemic delay. Hold your horses, plenty of time.

And games still look good so I'm not gonna complain. I mean Horizon 2, while I don't like the game much, is one of the best looking games on the market and it's a cross-gen game.

[Pissy F Benny]

SSD's are the biggest thing about the new gen, I would never even consider playing anything on my ps4 again cuz FUCK waiting 2 mins for a level to load

[Bebpo]

Another thing is that if Nvidia is determined to keep raising GPU prices through the roof, the mid-gen refresh consoles may be a huge value better than comparable PCs at that point.

[paprikastaude]

SSD's are the biggest thing about the new gen, I would never even consider playing anything on my ps4 again cuz FUCK waiting 2 mins for a level to load

Even some last gen games were a nice surprise. There's still load times in Bloodborne, but like going into the Nexus is down to something around 6 or 7 seconds. From circa 20 at the beginning.

[Tuckers Law]

Waiting for load times builds character.  The amount of character I built while waiting on PS3 Dark Souls 2 load times…shits off the charts.

[Himu]

“Shit hardware” 

Are you saying last gen hardware wasn't limited by the cpus?

[MMaRsu]

You can play on your tv, on a couch, dualshock 4 in hand, cock in your other hand, with gsync full 4k 120hz oled display and never have to worry about a fucking console again

I don't play with my cock in my hand, but if that's your preference than great.

My preference is consoles. I don't know why it's hard for some of you to understand this.  You want a PC? That's great. Plenty of people don't.

Thats fine just dont oretend you cant use your pc like a console id you put a modicum of effort into it 😂

" I like sitting on my couch" yeah, me too. I can do that with my pc just fine

[Tuckers Law]

“Shit hardware” 

Are you saying last gen hardware wasn't limited by the cpus?

Nope.  Console hardware is always limited, and current gen is no different.  I’m only saying last gen hardware isn’t shit (apart from dual shock battery life, maybe Wii U as well if we’re going to include Nintendo insanity in the mix).

[Potato]

Faster loading times...

That's the only reason this generation of consoles exists?

But the pandemic...

It's been 2 years and still nothing unique about this generation. It's almost like there's no reason for this generation to exist...

A lot of copium in this discussion...

[Nintex]

The Xbox One and PS4 were shit because of the CPU. In general that line of AMD CPU's was horrible and almost killed their PC CPU business.
That's mostly why all improvements in games were focused on visuals and some games that look better actually regressed in physics (Gears of War 2 vs 4 for example).
I was quite dissapointed when I fired up Destiny as my first game on the original Xbox One. Sure, it looked ok but the framerate was sluggish and the resolution low.
In general the Xbox One felt even less responsive UI wise than the Xbox 360 at times.
 
That gen didn't get good hardware wise until the PS4 Pro but especially the Xbox One X hit.
The Xbox One X punched far above its weight in many games as consoles used to do and was basically what the Xbox One should've been like at launch.

Thankfully The Xbox Series X, PlayStation 5 and even Xbox Series S are not bottlenecked by their CPU's and offer great value for their hardware configuration.

[Pissy F Benny]

it seems the gaming is going to be stuck in a zone of diminishing returns of being largely the same as the past gen but looking varying degrees of better until the realism filters or whatever the fuck they're called like in that matrix demo are ready for market.

[Bebpo]

Faster loading times...

That's the only reason this generation of consoles exists?

But the pandemic...

It's been 2 years and still nothing unique about this generation. It's almost like there's no reason for this generation to exist...

A lot of copium in this discussion...

If you're looking for innovation because more GPU...that's asking a lot. Like you want them to add a 3rd analog stick or something?

I mean PSVR2 is out soon and is doing some new stuff and you need a PS5 for it, so I guess PS5 is doing something new there?

[MMaRsu]

https://twitter.com/PLAION/status/1575766741644627971

[Polident Hive]

At this moment the consoles are a pretty good value. Mix of the PC market and the overhead of running PS4 games on PS5. Haven’t felt that since the 8800gt dropped.

[Rahxephon91]

You can play on your tv, on a couch, dualshock 4 in hand, cock in your other hand, with gsync full 4k 120hz oled display and never have to worry about a fucking console again

I don't play with my cock in my hand, but if that's your preference than great.

My preference is consoles. I don't know why it's hard for some of you to understand this.  You want a PC? That's great. Plenty of people don't.

Thats fine just dont oretend you cant use your pc like a console id you put a modicum of effort into it 😂

" I like sitting on my couch" yeah, me too. I can do that with my pc just fine

I don't have to put any effort. That's the convenience of consoles.

Most people don't have their computer in their living or family room. I don't, so am I going to lug my PC to my tv everytime and then move my tv set up to plug it in?

I could run a long hdmi I guess or just have a console that is geared for this.

Maybe stream the Pc with Nividia shield or whatever and then deal with any issues that come up.

I rather just have a console plugged in.

[Rahxephon91]

Faster loading times...

That's the only reason this generation of consoles exists?

But the pandemic...

It's been 2 years and still nothing unique about this generation. It's almost like there's no reason for this generation to exist...

A lot of copium in this discussion...

Seens kind of stupid to downplay the pandemic and the tech that has actually improved games.

But what do I know. I'm just coping by enjoying my consoles instead of complaining about them. I guess that's what copium is, people enjoying things.

[paprikastaude]

Graphics are fine at this point. Now we need to go back turn-on-and-play-gaming without loading times as it was in the beginning. Definitely a priority I support and one reason I picked up next gen. Still could be a second faster or two on PS5 though.

[MMaRsu]

I dunno I didnt really have to put in any effort besides sit the PC next to my TV, put in a HDMI cable and install steam, put in my DS4 to the USB port and im ready to play

[Himu]

“Shit hardware” 

Are you saying last gen hardware wasn't limited by the cpus?

Nope.  Console hardware is always limited, and current gen is no different.  I’m only saying last gen hardware isn’t shit (apart from dual shock battery life, maybe Wii U as well if we’re going to include Nintendo insanity in the mix).

Consoles were always limited it wasn't until last gen when consoles set the tone for gaming. Especially with western devs in the past they made the PC versions more robust. But even the PC versions were limited and set by the standard of the consoles.

[Nintex]

I dunno I didnt really have to put in any effort besides sit the PC next to my TV, put in a HDMI cable and install steam, put in my DS4 to the USB port and im ready to play

The one thing that always sucks for me is the sound settings.

Switching between audio devices in windows is a pain not found on consoles. Plus there's the random screen 1 is actually screen 2 or vice versa moments 

[Rahxephon91]

I dunno I didnt really have to put in any effort besides sit the PC next to my TV, put in a HDMI cable and install steam, put in my DS4 to the USB port and im ready to play

Where do you think the majority of people have their computer and use it for?

Also what kind of tvs do you think the majority of people have?

Do you think the majority of people can or are interested in troubleshooting why their DS4 may not work with every game?

What about trying to scale desktop settings for a regular sub $500 Vizio or LG.

What about making those settings work with one audio?

Aren't you in the tech field? Well gee I'm not surprised setting up a computer is no problem.

[mormapope]

I remember when PC as a platform had either definitive versions of games or exclusives outright. Half Life 2 absolutely smoked everything in 2004 regarding fidelity, physics, animation, art design, and eventually modding ability. It blew everyone away, the actual GOTY in 2004.

When's the last time that happened for a PC game? Something on that platform that demolishes any and all console games?

 

[Polident Hive]

Closest, and no irony in saying this, is Microsoft Flight Simulator.

Cyberpunk is the game game people treat as a benchmark. All new consoles have 60 FPS modes, or 30 with debatably worthwhile RTX. On PC, lower end cards are maxing it out and hitting 60 FPS. People who shelled out for a $1K GPU can play at 100+ frame rates and whatever. If demands ever get to that Matrix UE5 demo levels, maybe we’ll see something. Show us how many more rubber ducks or meat cubes new consoles can render.

[bork]

[Himu]

I remember when PC as a platform had either definitive versions of games or exclusives outright. Half Life 2 absolutely smoked everything in 2004 regarding fidelity, physics, animation, art design, and eventually modding ability. It blew everyone away, the actual GOTY in 2004.

When's the last time that happened for a PC game? Something on that platform that demolishes any and all console games?

 

I feel Half Life 2 is one of the most overrated games of all time but yeah it really does feel like the PC's last true killer app. For the longest time it has basically been just the best way to play console games, rare exclusives like Valorant not included.

[Beezy]

I hope Inertial Drift plays/controls as well as it looks.

[Tasty]

I remember when PC as a platform had either definitive versions of games or exclusives outright. Half Life 2 absolutely smoked everything in 2004 regarding fidelity, physics, animation, art design, and eventually modding ability. It blew everyone away, the actual GOTY in 2004.

When's the last time that happened for a PC game? Something on that platform that demolishes any and all console games?

 

I feel Half Life 2 is one of the most overrated games of all time but yeah it really does feel like the PC's last true killer app. For the longest time it has basically been just the best way to play console games, rare exclusives like Valorant not included.

Crysis released after HL2 and became a certified PC meme. It got ported everywhere but it was clear the PC was the definitive version (and those ports took some time IIRC).

[Himu]

Crysis, Stalker are some of the bigger PC exclusives but Crysis wasn't as big as HL2

[Svejk]

CD has a survey on how to bring Legacy of Kain back... Do it justice, bores.

https://survey.alchemer.com/s3/7017965/Legacy-of-Kain-franchise-survey

[paprikastaude]

Told them to remake/remaster the originals

They are decent Zelda clones with an absolutely sick atmosphere. But held back by many bad ports and were in need of some tweaks like load time removal in BO1, a map in Soul Reaver, if not cutting some fat within bigger remakes.

[Svejk]

Same.  And keep the scale of the originals; No need for open world bloat or multiplayer shoehorned in.  A solid, atmospheric 10-15 hour experience is what I want. 

[who is ted danson?]

CD has a survey on how to bring Legacy of Kain back... Do it justice, bores.

https://survey.alchemer.com/s3/7017965/Legacy-of-Kain-franchise-survey

Nice, suggested they bring it back as a MOBA or hero shooter.

[paprikastaude]

they actually tried that. Not sure if it ever came out or was closed like a month after release, but they did some multiplayer thing no one asked for.

[HardcoreRetro]

[who is ted danson?]

  :sqenix

[benjipwns]

they actually tried that. Not sure if it ever came out or was closed like a month after release, but they did some multiplayer thing no one asked for.

It never came out of open beta: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosgoth

I played it a little one weekend, it was alright, but not surprised nobody cared about it.

[Potato]

Anyone suggested gender swapping characters and throwing a token "strong black woman" in there and calling it a day?

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/Nibellion/status/1576674498929098753

[Potato]

Lol. Why does this console generation exist?

[Pissy F Benny]

the original still looks really good too

Soyny are gonna be charging 70 units of your local currency (minimum) for a 4k 60 patch