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[agrajag]

PSA: If you find yourself strenuously defending Warren/Sanders while hating on the other one and telling yourself it's cause of ideological reasons, you have an advanced case of primary brain fever and should practice some self care.

I do it mostly to piss off Agra.

Yes, follow the leader young padawan, like Warren follows Bernie. 

[benjipwns]

Why would you release a statement on how badly you got publicly btfo

RAPID 👏 RESPONSE 👏 UBER 👏 ALLES 👏 👏

[Mandark]

A bit odd/funny/cool/idk that the candidate making the point that American's shouldn't lump these groups together and treat them like a monolith was the "why won't president Obama say Radical Islamic Terror!?" person ten minutes ago. Mahalo?

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[agrajag]

A bit odd/funny/cool/idk that the candidate making the point that American's shouldn't lump these groups together and treat them like a monolith was the "why won't president Obama say Radical Islamic Terror!?" person ten minutes ago. Mahalo?

Sheesh, like people aren't allowed to grow and evolve. Maybe you are afflicted with an advanced case of primary brain fever and should practice some self care, man. 

[benjipwns]

What did Tulsi have when she dined with Al-Assad? Pasta? Noodles? Donuts?

[ToxicAdam]

She ate pizza with a fork.

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[agrajag]

What did Tulsi have when she dined with Al-Assad? Pasta? Noodles? Donuts?

[benjipwns]

YIKES

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/372083098730524672

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ENHANCE

[Kara]

I didn't watch the debate. Were there any questions about opioids policy?

Yes, it was decided that it's the greedy drug companies fault and we need stronger controls.

Imagine thinking that.

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Glad you've come around on Say's law.

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[benjipwns]

Not controls on the companies.

[Tasty]

PSA: If you find yourself strenuously defending Warren/Sanders while hating on the other one and telling yourself it's cause of ideological reasons, you have an advanced case of primary brain fever and should practice some self care.

I do it mostly to piss off Agra.

Yes, follow the leader young padawan, like Warren follows Bernie. 

I have a plan for The Bore

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[D3RANG3D]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1144288135624314881

[james]

I am ready for Marianne's pure love to wash over us all tonight.

Stop

 

Watching

 

The

 

Debates

[BisMarckie]

I am not convinced that Eric Swalwell is a real person and not just a Russian twitter bot,

[benjipwns]

I am not convinced that Eric Swalwell is a real person and not just a Russian twitter bot,

The Time Eric Swalwell Staged a Fake Debate—and Didn’t Win

...

When Stark tried to drive home the silliness of Swalwell’s bid by declining to debate him, Swalwell countered with a publicity stunt. His campaign staged a faux debate with an actor filling the role of Stark. The ersatz Stark looked like a teenager playing an old fogey in a high school play: ill-fitting suit, white spray-painted hair, low-riding spectacles, fake bushy eyebrows. Filmed with all the production quality of a local public-access show, the mock debate featured a ridiculously serious, scrubbed-up Swalwell facing off against a sputtering, indignant “Pete Stark” who answered every question with actual Stark quotes.

While the young woman who fake-moderated the fake debate puts on an air of fake professionalism, the video is clearly Swalwell propaganda. “Stark” gets hit with probing questions about his residence in Maryland and his young children’s collection of Social Security benefits (totally legal and normal for kids with old parents!), while Swalwell gets such hardballs as, “How do you feel about tax credits for clean energy research, development, and production?”

Even so, what’s remarkable about this debate is that Swalwell isn’t the clear winner. Despite the fact that he knew the questions in advance, he delivers his monotone answers as if he’s reading aloud from a script he’s never seen before. In a write-up of the video, the East Bay Citizen warned, “Those hoping to invest 12 minutes of their life with the expectation for a payoff in laughter or poignancy will be disappointed here, because there are none.”

[Tasty]

I am not convinced that Eric Swalwell is a real person and not just a Russian twitter bot,

The Time Eric Swalwell Staged a Fake Debate—and Didn’t Win

...

When Stark tried to drive home the silliness of Swalwell’s bid by declining to debate him, Swalwell countered with a publicity stunt. His campaign staged a faux debate with an actor filling the role of Stark. The ersatz Stark looked like a teenager playing an old fogey in a high school play: ill-fitting suit, white spray-painted hair, low-riding spectacles, fake bushy eyebrows. Filmed with all the production quality of a local public-access show, the mock debate featured a ridiculously serious, scrubbed-up Swalwell facing off against a sputtering, indignant “Pete Stark” who answered every question with actual Stark quotes.

While the young woman who fake-moderated the fake debate puts on an air of fake professionalism, the video is clearly Swalwell propaganda. “Stark” gets hit with probing questions about his residence in Maryland and his young children’s collection of Social Security benefits (totally legal and normal for kids with old parents!), while Swalwell gets such hardballs as, “How do you feel about tax credits for clean energy research, development, and production?”

Even so, what’s remarkable about this debate is that Swalwell isn’t the clear winner. Despite the fact that he knew the questions in advance, he delivers his monotone answers as if he’s reading aloud from a script he’s never seen before. In a write-up of the video, the East Bay Citizen warned, “Those hoping to invest 12 minutes of their life with the expectation for a payoff in laughter or poignancy will be disappointed here, because there are none.”

Kinda surprised Trump didn't do this with a Hillary stand-in tbh.

[CatsCatsCats]

Sanders Warren or Warren Sanders idc gimme that ticket

[Mandark]

Sanders and Warren may consider each other allies and friends, but their deranged online stans know better than that.

[Himu]

Holy fuckk.

https://www.tmz.com/2019/06/27/tulsi-gabbard-disappearing-zit-blemish-debates/

[Mandark]

When even your anti-imperialist movements rely on blaming foreigners.

 

[Himu]

radical islam terrorism doesn't bunch people together though? By pointing out that it's radical it shows it's particularly exceptional part of the religion and not the norm?

So yeah. Call it radical islamic terrorism.

[Tasty]

Sanders and Warren may consider each other allies and friends, but their deranged online stans know better than that.

On the other hand, you're absolutely right, agra is becoming more and more unhinged.

[Mandark]

radical islam terrorism doesn't bunch people together though? By pointing out that it's radical it shows it's particularly exceptional part of the religion and not the norm?

So yeah. Call it radical islamic terrorism.

Except in the context of American politics and in her use of it, that was clearly not the message.

This was a very popular talking point for years among the Fox News set: Obama avoided using the words "radical Islam" because he was protecting Muslims at the expense of the US, and not acknowledging that Islam itself was a problem. This was all very explicit and widespread, and I'm surprised you didn't encounter this during your conservative Rumspringa.


edit: as analogy, Hannity or whoever ranting about "radical socialists" could be interpreted as differentiating between them and the acceptable socdems/left-liberals, but we all know that's not the game.

[Himu]

radical islam terrorism doesn't bunch people together though? By pointing out that it's radical it shows it's particularly exceptional part of the religion and not the norm?

So yeah. Call it radical islamic terrorism.

Except in the context of American politics and in her use of it, that was clearly not the message.

This was a very popular talking point for years among the Fox News set: Obama avoided using the words "radical Islam" because he was protecting Muslims at the expense of the US, and not acknowledging that Islam itself was a problem. This was all very explicit and widespread, and I'm surprised you didn't encounter this during your conservative Rumspringa.


edit: as analogy, Hannity or whoever ranting about "radical socialists" could be interpreted as differentiating between them and the acceptable socdems/left-liberals, but we all know that's not the game.

Good point. I forgot that those people are not operating in good faith. But I trust that Tulsi is and I don't subscribe to the idea that just because someone calls it radical islam that means they're equating all muslims are like that. Can you provide evidence Tulsi acted like a Fox news host regarding Obama and islam?

[benjipwns]

Holy fuckk.

https://www.tmz.com/2019/06/27/tulsi-gabbard-disappearing-zit-blemish-debates/

[Mandark]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/knives-are-out-hawaii-dem-faces-backlash-for-taking-on-obama-over-islamist-extremism

[BisMarckie]

Holy fuckk.

https://www.tmz.com/2019/06/27/tulsi-gabbard-disappearing-zit-blemish-debates/

I agree, Tulsi looked pretty old yesterday.

[benjipwns]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/knives-are-out-hawaii-dem-faces-backlash-for-taking-on-obama-over-islamist-extremism

Published February 28, 2015    Last Update August 17, 2017

[benjipwns]

[Mandark]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/knives-are-out-hawaii-dem-faces-backlash-for-taking-on-obama-over-islamist-extremism

Published February 28, 2015    Last Update August 17, 2017

Even more fun, check out who wrote the article.

[agrajag]

Sanders and Warren may consider each other allies and friends, but their deranged online stans know better than that.

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On the other hand, you're absolutely right, agra is becoming more and more unhinged.

"becoming"

 

[Mandark]

That's what's bappin'.

[BisMarckie]

I didn‘t know how much I wanted this tasty vs. agra rivalry

[Tripon]

Edit: Wrong thread

[Himu]

This one still gets me big ups to her not deleting like a coward tho

https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/649615636088365058

Gross.

[Kara]

Why would you bomb your allies though.

[agrajag]

https://www.resetera.com/search/1525213/

Resetera mods won't even put an official ban message on any of Pogi Jones post. He got banned because of somebody on discord. 

I think you are overestimating the significance this has on US politics.

[kingv]

PSA: If you find yourself strenuously defending Warren/Sanders while hating on the other one and telling yourself it's cause of ideological reasons, you have an advanced case of primary brain fever and should practice some self care.

The reality is that both of them shoot weak ass nuts.

[BisMarckie]

Why would you bomb your allies though.

Semi related
It was hilarious how the German government tried to sweep their good relationship to the Assad regime under the rug once he became a persona non grata

I vividly remember Peter Scholl-Latour (RIP ) confronting our then foreign minister with that fact.

[BisMarckie]

Bashar al Assad is still my desert rose

Are donations to the Baath Party tax deductible Kara?

[Tripon]

https://www.resetera.com/search/1525213/

Resetera mods won't even put an official ban message on any of Pogi Jones post. He got banned because of somebody on discord. 

I think you are overestimating the significance this has on US politics.

Oops.

[Tripon]

President Trump on Thursday said that he is asking his administration to temporarily delay the 2020 census in light of the Supreme Court ruling blocking the question for the time being.

"I have asked the lawyers if they can delay the Census, no matter how long, until the United States Supreme Court is given additional information from which it can make a final and decisive decision on this very critical matter," Trump said in a series of tweets, suggesting that his officials will look to provide another reason to be able to ask about citizenship status on the survey.

"Can anyone really believe that as a great Country, we are not able the ask whether or not someone is a Citizen. Only in America!"

https://thehill.com/regulation/450692-trump-to-push-for-delay-of-census-in-wake-of-supreme-court-ruling

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/search/1525213/

Resetera mods won't even put an official ban message on any of Pogi Jones post. He got banned because of somebody on discord. 

I think you are overestimating the significance this has on US politics.

Why does Elizabeth Warren refuse to comment on it though?

[Kara]

Bashar al Assad is still my desert rose

Are donations to the Baath Party tax deductible Kara?

There are charities that claim to do direct aid in countries targeted by U.S. empire for which donations can be treated as itemized deductions. Much like donations to evangelical churches though you're pretty credulous you think that money doesn't get put to nakedly political use.

Note: I only have experience with organizations with links to Latin American countries and none operating in the Levant. (Don't want to get arrested FRSO stylee.)

This post is neither tax advice nor money laundering advice.

[Himu]

Gross.

I posted this earlier because I have trouble believing in her pivot, but if she's genuine then why not.

Her strong America first, no wars, pro military to build up the people ethic smells vaguely nazbol-y to me at times given some of her previous social stances etc. I think Richard Spencer is a fan last time I checked

She deserves a call out for these pivots. I agree. However, I do like America first, anti-war stance she has now. She needs to be tested on this to explain her change in values. How do you go from "please bomb syria " to "please use war funds to help people in flint"? Good question. I completely understand your skepticism. It's deserved.

[Himu]

gr8 to be reminded that Obama was actively participating in drone wars, blowing up turrists, keeping Guantanamo open etc and he still wasn't "hard enough on Islam" for some of these people

Right? Some of these people were anti-war while Bush was president. That was first real exposure to partisan politics.

[BisMarckie]

gr8 to be reminded that Obama was actively participating in drone wars, blowing up turrists, keeping Guantanamo open etc and he still wasn't "hard enough on Islam" for some of these people

He won a nobel peace prize

You think they give these out for nothing?

[Mandark]

Even his own acceptance speech for that was basically "don't get it twisted, fellas."

[Kara]

gr8 to be reminded that Obama was actively participating in drone wars, blowing up turrists, keeping Guantanamo open etc and he still wasn't "hard enough on Islam" for some of these people

Vaguely referenced this in my 100% not tax advice post.

https://www.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/av4358/how-the-fbi-goes-after-activists

[Mandark]

gr8 to be reminded that Obama was actively participating in drone wars, blowing up turrists, keeping Guantanamo open etc and he still wasn't "hard enough on Islam" for some of these people

The decade-long freakout about Obama probably did more than anything else to make me realize the depth of racism in this country.

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I know I know read Settlers I'm getting to it (I'm probably not)

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[Himu]

gr8 to be reminded that Obama was actively participating in drone wars, blowing up turrists, keeping Guantanamo open etc and he still wasn't "hard enough on Islam" for some of these people

He won a nobel peace prize

You think they give these out for nothing?

Didn't he get that a few months after being inaugurated? Forgot.

[Mandark]

Yeah, it was just a big middle finger to Dubya.

With Trump demanding everyone's attention constantly it's easy to forget how very, very unpopular Bush was outside the US.

[Kara]

Last night I got to the part where the book talks about Captain Mark Starlin and I thought, "Surely he's embellishing THIS story," and did a cursory web search (I'm more skeptical now than I was when I read it the first time way back when) and nope, he wasn't embellishing. Funny how he doesn't have a Wikipedia article.

 

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https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1144345268462260224

[benjipwns]

Didn't he get that a few months after being inaugurated? Forgot.

Like most awards, the Nobel Prize generally awards for the year prior. He actually was nominated before he was even inaugurated.

The panel is appointed by the Parliament, it had two Labor members, one Conservative member, one Progress Party (more right-wing) member, and one Socialist Left member. It was the Labor Party that was pushing for him to win it but the other three parties resisted through the first five votes or something. Once it goes majority, then it goes unanimous though.

Jagland said the committee was influenced by a speech Obama gave about Islam in Cairo in June 2009

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_New_Beginning

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[Kara]

I'm watching AOC get grilled on CNN by Jake Tapper about her voting against both the House and Senate border funding bills and her use of the phrase "concentration camp" and she was so prepared, so concise, so direct in her responses. She is unstoppable. Her power level broke my instruments.

Jake getting his reps in now in case Trump loses and he has to concern troll about the national debt for N years.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1144325518201905152

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1144321976800043010

After saying that they totally have a plan to deal with Mitch the Democrats today again caved to his demands.