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Re: Wank Dad 2: Electric Wankaloo
« Reply #5040 on: July 01, 2020, 12:49:17 AM »
holy shit

guys. LOBSTER DADDY IS BACK  :o :o :o


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« Reply #5041 on: July 01, 2020, 02:29:09 AM »
some heroic individual on reddit summarized the video for those of us who can't stomach listening to jorp for an hour:

"JP had been taking benzodiazepines since late 2016, as a treatment for sleeplessness following what he describes as a bad reaction to something he ate [ed: this seems to be the apple cider incident described on Joe Rogan's podcast], per medical guidelines at 0.25mg 2xday [ed: presumably clonazepam, this is a standard dose]. This treatment seemed to work at the time, so he continued with it.

At some unspecified time, he started noticing symptoms of weakness, detachment, and anhedonia. At some unspecified later time, he inferred that these were side-effects of the benzos.

At some point around April-May 2019, he began experiencing increased anxiety, which he associates with dealing with his wife's illness. As a result, he requests for an increase in his benzo dose. [ed: apparently up at some point to 4mg/day; this is a high dose]

He reports feeling increased anxiety from this point, for which reason he stops taking the benzos and starts taking ketamine [ed: his daughter later clarifies this was on recommendation of a psychiatrist]. He reports having been off the benzos for about a week and that "this turns out to have been a bad idea" [ed: presumably this did not help the anxiety and he resumed benzo use at that point, but it's not clearly stated].

He tried to taper down the dosage of his benzos [ed: presumably this was after resuming, so that he first stopped cold turkey, then resumed and tried to taper; it's not stated whether a physician is involved in this]. He reports intolerable anxiety and restlessness as resulting from this.

By August 2019 his wife had recovered but he was still wrestling with these issues. Sometime after then he goes to "a clinic on the east coast" for help getting off the benzos. He reports expecting a "multi-day" procedure for getting off the benzos and through withdrawal and being unsatisfied by the clinic's recommendation that they replace clonazepam with another benzo [ed: presumably valium] and use other "sedative-like drugs" to help manage symptoms during the taper [ed: so presumably not benzos; probably trazodone or quetiapine for sleep; that sort of thing]. He reports that since the benzos are causing the symptoms, he's unsatisfied with an approach that still had him on benzos.

In November-December 2019 he's hospitalized in Toronto for related / the same difficulties [ed: the specific event leading to hospitalization is not stated]. [ed: it's not clear whether he had continued the east coast clinic's protocol up to this point or had abandoned it.]

In December 2019 his daughter and her husband remove him from this hospital [ed: he reports not remembering this period, and later reports that this was against physician's orders] and bring him to a clinic near Moscow that sedate him [ed: to unconsciousness] for nine days with propofol. He reports complications of nine days of delirium following waking from this, and pneumonia which he'd had since the Toronto hospitalization.

He reports being extremely angry with his daughter at this point, as he has no recollection of agreeing to this treatment, while she explains that the whole family, including him, had discussed it and agreed to it, but that his memory of this was impaired. She reports the Russian doctor not understanding why they'd brought him there.

At this point he reports no longer being on the benzos, and having relief from the restlessness that was a side-effect of their use, but having general impairment of sensory, motor, and cognitive function. He is transferred to a rehabilitation clinic in Moscow for two weeks to help rehab through these difficulties.

They then move to Florida, and he reports that the anxiety and some of the restlessness recur at this point. He is given some medication here, but it's not stated what or what the circumstances of its prescription were.

In June 2020 he moves to Serbia to enter care in a clinic there [his daughter explains: to treat the "neurological damage done by the benzos"]. They adjust the unspecified medication he was given in Florida. He reports finding relief at this point.

He then discusses questions of responsibility and trust in his work, and remarks that he found it noteworthy how much support he got from people in spite of the stigma associated with drug problems, that everyone has difficulties so one cannot realistically expect to find help from people who don't, that he's always included himself among the population of people he's speaking about who need to work on their own personal responsibility and moral improvement, and that anyone ought to judge for themselves whether to trust his work based on what he's previously said and done.

They then discuss a perceived difference between American and Russian approaches to treating these issues. They report that the American doctors wanted to treat an "underlying disorder" [ed: it's not stated what they thought this to be, JP and MP clarify only that it's something that "doesn't exist... probably doesn't exist"] rather than treating the benzo dependency, whereas the Russian doctors treated the benzo dependency [ed: but on the history they give, the Western doctors did try to treat the benzo dependency, just not in the way JP/MP wanted/expected, so it's unclear what they mean here]."

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« Reply #5042 on: July 01, 2020, 04:04:27 AM »
Alex Jones had Roger Stone on and they both hammered really hard that if he goes to prison it's an execution and a literal death sentence because of Corona (which is also a hoax according to Alex in every other segment of his show but don't stop at that).

Apparently no cases in the jail he'll be at and it's more of one of the nicer prisons (as far as those things go).

Alex also was weirdly insistent to get a statement from Stone that he was not going to suicide in his cell.

Otherwise as you'd expect, a thinly veiled call for help directed at Trump to get a pardon. In the middle of flattering Donald, Alex dropped "And he's handsome too" or something like that.
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Stone also found Jesus. :mike
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Re: Wank Dad 2: Electric Wankaloo
« Reply #5043 on: July 01, 2020, 06:47:59 AM »
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« Reply #5044 on: July 01, 2020, 07:15:37 AM »
Man he looks and sounds like shitt :jeanluc

jorp, alex or roger?

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Re: Wank Dad 2: Electric Wankaloo
« Reply #5045 on: July 01, 2020, 09:20:12 AM »
Jorp. He definitely looks and sounds like he was put into a coma in Eastern Europe for a few weeks.

He possibly died and was resurrected by the same witch doctors that brought Kim Jong Un back to life
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« Reply #5046 on: July 01, 2020, 12:26:27 PM »
You: The Avengers was the most ambitious cross-over of all time

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Re: Wank Dad 2: Electric Wankaloo
« Reply #5047 on: July 01, 2020, 04:04:40 PM »

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« Reply #5048 on: July 01, 2020, 04:13:00 PM »
he got us
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« Reply #5049 on: July 01, 2020, 04:19:08 PM »
some heroic individual on reddit summarized the video for those of us who can't stomach listening to jorp for an hour:

"JP had been taking benzodiazepines since late 2016, as a treatment for sleeplessness following what he describes as a bad reaction to something he ate [ed: this seems to be the apple cider incident described on Joe Rogan's podcast], per medical guidelines at 0.25mg 2xday [ed: presumably clonazepam, this is a standard dose]. This treatment seemed to work at the time, so he continued with it.

At some unspecified time, he started noticing symptoms of weakness, detachment, and anhedonia. At some unspecified later time, he inferred that these were side-effects of the benzos.

At some point around April-May 2019, he began experiencing increased anxiety, which he associates with dealing with his wife's illness. As a result, he requests for an increase in his benzo dose. [ed: apparently up at some point to 4mg/day; this is a high dose]

He reports feeling increased anxiety from this point, for which reason he stops taking the benzos and starts taking ketamine [ed: his daughter later clarifies this was on recommendation of a psychiatrist]. He reports having been off the benzos for about a week and that "this turns out to have been a bad idea" [ed: presumably this did not help the anxiety and he resumed benzo use at that point, but it's not clearly stated].

He tried to taper down the dosage of his benzos [ed: presumably this was after resuming, so that he first stopped cold turkey, then resumed and tried to taper; it's not stated whether a physician is involved in this]. He reports intolerable anxiety and restlessness as resulting from this.

By August 2019 his wife had recovered but he was still wrestling with these issues. Sometime after then he goes to "a clinic on the east coast" for help getting off the benzos. He reports expecting a "multi-day" procedure for getting off the benzos and through withdrawal and being unsatisfied by the clinic's recommendation that they replace clonazepam with another benzo [ed: presumably valium] and use other "sedative-like drugs" to help manage symptoms during the taper [ed: so presumably not benzos; probably trazodone or quetiapine for sleep; that sort of thing]. He reports that since the benzos are causing the symptoms, he's unsatisfied with an approach that still had him on benzos.

In November-December 2019 he's hospitalized in Toronto for related / the same difficulties [ed: the specific event leading to hospitalization is not stated]. [ed: it's not clear whether he had continued the east coast clinic's protocol up to this point or had abandoned it.]

In December 2019 his daughter and her husband remove him from this hospital [ed: he reports not remembering this period, and later reports that this was against physician's orders] and bring him to a clinic near Moscow that sedate him [ed: to unconsciousness] for nine days with propofol. He reports complications of nine days of delirium following waking from this, and pneumonia which he'd had since the Toronto hospitalization.

He reports being extremely angry with his daughter at this point, as he has no recollection of agreeing to this treatment, while she explains that the whole family, including him, had discussed it and agreed to it, but that his memory of this was impaired. She reports the Russian doctor not understanding why they'd brought him there.

At this point he reports no longer being on the benzos, and having relief from the restlessness that was a side-effect of their use, but having general impairment of sensory, motor, and cognitive function. He is transferred to a rehabilitation clinic in Moscow for two weeks to help rehab through these difficulties.

They then move to Florida, and he reports that the anxiety and some of the restlessness recur at this point. He is given some medication here, but it's not stated what or what the circumstances of its prescription were.

In June 2020 he moves to Serbia to enter care in a clinic there [his daughter explains: to treat the "neurological damage done by the benzos"]. They adjust the unspecified medication he was given in Florida. He reports finding relief at this point.

He then discusses questions of responsibility and trust in his work, and remarks that he found it noteworthy how much support he got from people in spite of the stigma associated with drug problems, that everyone has difficulties so one cannot realistically expect to find help from people who don't, that he's always included himself among the population of people he's speaking about who need to work on their own personal responsibility and moral improvement, and that anyone ought to judge for themselves whether to trust his work based on what he's previously said and done.

They then discuss a perceived difference between American and Russian approaches to treating these issues. They report that the American doctors wanted to treat an "underlying disorder" [ed: it's not stated what they thought this to be, JP and MP clarify only that it's something that "doesn't exist... probably doesn't exist"] rather than treating the benzo dependency, whereas the Russian doctors treated the benzo dependency [ed: but on the history they give, the Western doctors did try to treat the benzo dependency, just not in the way JP/MP wanted/expected, so it's unclear what they mean here]."

god reading this gave me anxiety. taking 4mg of benzos daily is bad enough but then going cold turkey and fucking around with your dosage :notlikethis

also holy shit it really did all start with the apple cider

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« Reply #5050 on: July 01, 2020, 04:39:46 PM »
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« Reply #5051 on: July 01, 2020, 04:44:21 PM »
I don't have a Twitter account.
Checkmate Bitchell.
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Re: Wank Dad 2: Electric Wankaloo
« Reply #5052 on: July 01, 2020, 04:49:42 PM »
stops taking the benzos cold turkey to replace it with ketamine THEN after that doesn't work he finally checks with a doctur :neogaf

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« Reply #5053 on: July 01, 2020, 04:54:51 PM »
I admire Peterson crusading against the feminization of society while living like a young woman from a Victorian-era novel who's described as "being possessed of a fragile constitution."

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« Reply #5054 on: July 01, 2020, 05:03:52 PM »
my favorite part is that when he woke up from the coma the doctors put him in he told his family "Why the fuck would you do that. Are you insane?"
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« Reply #5055 on: July 01, 2020, 05:07:04 PM »
They then move to Florida, and he reports that the anxiety and some of the restlessness recur at this point. He is given some medication here, but it's not stated what or what the circumstances of its prescription were.

In June 2020 he moves to Serbia to enter care in a clinic there [his daughter explains: to treat the "neurological damage done by the benzos"]. They adjust the unspecified medication he was given in Florida. He reports finding relief at this point.
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They then discuss a perceived difference between American and Russian approaches to treating these issues. They report that the American doctors wanted to treat an "underlying disorder" [ed: it's not stated what they thought this to be, JP and MP clarify only that it's something that "doesn't exist... probably doesn't exist"] rather than treating the benzo dependency, whereas the Russian doctors treated the benzo dependency [ed: but on the history they give, the Western doctors did try to treat the benzo dependency, just not in the way JP/MP wanted/expected, so it's unclear what they mean here]."
So he's still trying to treat himself in a way that Western doctors apparently aren't comfortable with and seemingly went to Serbia because they wouldn't boost his dosage in Florida. Maybe because of that history where he self-dosed himself to 4mg a day of clonazepam/klonopin. I dunno, maybe.

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Re: Wank Dad 2: Electric Wankaloo
« Reply #5056 on: July 01, 2020, 05:45:40 PM »
How many mg of apple cider was he up to?
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« Reply #5057 on: July 01, 2020, 06:55:08 PM »

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« Reply #5058 on: July 01, 2020, 06:57:15 PM »
Sure, but what's the catch?
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Re: Wank Dad 2: Electric Wankaloo
« Reply #5059 on: July 01, 2020, 06:58:59 PM »
Was Scott Adams always this much of a crank?


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« Reply #5061 on: July 01, 2020, 07:13:06 PM »
Was Scott Adams always this much of a crank?
Maybe not this much. But yes.

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« Reply #5062 on: July 01, 2020, 07:14:21 PM »
It was always there, but now it's exacerbated by social media (which provides both an easier way to pop off and a sympathetic audience to egg him on) and male midlife crisis grouchiness.

This goes for Taibbi and Greenwald too.

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« Reply #5063 on: July 01, 2020, 08:05:17 PM »
Adams was always this way whenever he got off the topic of making fun of businesses too much. The Dilbert Future is enjoyable because it still walks that line of serious/facetious so you aren't sure. But in the later stuff, and The Newsletters, and the Dilburrito and stuff, more of his weird views came out. The Newsletter used to be like people would write in their own funny stories and he'd compile the best. Then he started writing about all kinds of topics and less funny stuff. The books go the same way after The Joy of Work as he starts writing more about his worldview to the point that they dropped Dilbert connections from them.

There is a fatalist/doomer type viewpoint to a lot of his stuff. It's even in the TV series and comic strip. I read as much of that into those kinds of tweets as his ever increasing Trumpism. I think his original Trump stuff back in 2015 was just contrarianism and then he somehow became a true believer and supporter. (Or at least that's what I'll tell myself.) That all said, I always thought he was more conservative than he claimed (or knew) based on the few times he would touch on political themes back in the day. So I'm not entirely surprised at some of his stances being older than when he got into Trump.

edit: For example, Dilbert itself isn't a critique of big business, it's a critique of bad management. That's why people can recognize their own jobs in it so much even if they've never worked for a massive corporation like Pac Bell. He's always been kinda wishy-washy when people tried to read greater critiques into it all, especially when The Dilbert Principle came out and was huge. The TV series is rather more so but I attribute that more to Larry Charles' influence than anything Adams.
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« Reply #5065 on: July 01, 2020, 10:29:33 PM »
Whoa, calm down riotous, Stefan strongly urges us to not resort to hostility, rage and violence.

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« Reply #5066 on: July 01, 2020, 10:48:00 PM »
https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-jordan-peterson-s-barrage-of-revisionist-falsehoods-on-hitler-and-nazism-1.8955174

I think part of this, which the article doesn't really touch upon at all, is Jorp's inherent contrarianism. If you heard this guy speak for hours, I don't think it would really surprise you that he'd have "You know Hitler wasn't all bad" conclusions in a smug "well, ACKTUALLY" kind of way.

sure, but can you imagine jorp praising something good stalin did? the way he talks about hitler and stalin/mao/etc. is night and day. with the former, he speaks so calm, dispassionate and almost sympathetically. yet with the latter, he would be easy to mistake a homeless guy away from his park bench, if it weren't for his suit.

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« Reply #5067 on: July 02, 2020, 07:34:28 AM »
I only watch stuff on youtube related to sports and vidya games, none of the wank-daddery. But youtube recommended me this video


I found out that there is a small but passionate wank dad microuniverse centered around the WNBA.

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Re: Wank Dad 2: Electric Wankaloo
« Reply #5068 on: July 02, 2020, 05:36:32 PM »
https://twitter.com/Yascha_Mounk/status/1278707741373222912

apprently one intellectual dark web isn't enough  :brain
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Re: Wank Dad 2: Electric Wankaloo
« Reply #5070 on: July 02, 2020, 08:55:43 PM »
I recognize fuck all of those names except for Kasparov since he went all bonkers with that #RussiaFirst or whatever the fuck history revisionism. Which I'm pretty sure I learned about on The Bore when I was still a lurker. New Chronology or something like that. A total mindfuck

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« Reply #5071 on: July 02, 2020, 09:49:47 PM »
Kasparov...New Chronology
lmaooooooo

didnt know this until now. thought he was the one good one but nope; literally every grandmaster turns into a crank. like clockwork

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Re: Wank Dad 2: Electric Wankaloo
« Reply #5072 on: July 04, 2020, 02:18:16 AM »
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1279275487877951488

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« Reply #5074 on: July 04, 2020, 08:44:22 PM »
I think the big difference is that the Indians used the land to live on and hunt while the Americans carved out 4 ugly mugs and called it a day.
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« Reply #5075 on: July 04, 2020, 09:28:34 PM »
If I were a professional writer who was starting a publication called Persuasion, I might take more responsibility for communicating my beliefs clearly.

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« Reply #5076 on: July 04, 2020, 09:30:15 PM »
But I don't want onion rings.

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« Reply #5077 on: July 05, 2020, 05:11:12 AM »
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« Reply #5081 on: July 05, 2020, 02:02:19 PM »
What if he was the cameraman  :o

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« Reply #5082 on: July 05, 2020, 03:16:37 PM »
https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/1279824570158125057

https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/1279837036443308032

 ??? I thought T already had this in the bag and was gaining support fast into the black voters ?
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« Reply #5083 on: July 05, 2020, 03:29:05 PM »
One thing Mitchell's doing the same as more mainstream pundits is assuming Kanye's fanbase in 2020 is black people.

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« Reply #5084 on: July 05, 2020, 03:34:56 PM »
https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1279275089389895681

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« Reply #5085 on: July 05, 2020, 09:09:18 PM »

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« Reply #5086 on: July 05, 2020, 09:14:35 PM »
what's your beef with lowery?

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« Reply #5087 on: July 05, 2020, 09:16:27 PM »
what's your beef with lowery?

I think he's fine. I'm mostly here for the car crash that will inevitably come. 

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« Reply #5089 on: July 06, 2020, 03:14:10 PM »
Anti-racism is really a creation of the PMC labor aristocracy seeking to preserve their status by creating elaborate gatekeeping jargon. That is what is behind these mass demonstrations.

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« Reply #5093 on: July 07, 2020, 04:12:50 PM »
Cancel culture is a term used by snowflakes who don't want to face the repercussions of the horrible things they said or did.
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« Reply #5095 on: July 07, 2020, 05:49:50 PM »
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« Reply #5096 on: July 07, 2020, 07:01:37 PM »
So much for Ben Shapiro's 2024 presidential run.
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« Reply #5098 on: July 07, 2020, 08:23:15 PM »
Glenn quoting Rosa Luxemburg is the worst thing I've read all year from any single person
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« Reply #5099 on: July 07, 2020, 08:35:24 PM »
Really enjoying my smug victory lap on Greenwald.

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