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« Reply #12900 on: January 14, 2018, 12:07:17 AM »
He’s definitely got one of the most punchable faces in Congress.

Who knows what the reason is he stepped back, and maybe we won’t fiigure it out, but it’s crazy that a dude that won damn near 70% of the vote in his 2016 election thinks this position is too toxic for him to be in.

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« Reply #12901 on: January 14, 2018, 12:25:26 AM »
Oh no, what will I do now without Gowdy thug life videos on my recommended feed.

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« Reply #12902 on: January 14, 2018, 02:49:12 AM »
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/952180630137155585.html

On Trump's racism, and how far the Executive Branch has fallen. :usacry

To be clear, I'm overjoyed at how Trump's incompetence and banality have energized the USA political scene for the everyday citizen. Trump is MAGA, just not as he'd intended.

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« Reply #12903 on: January 14, 2018, 03:19:06 AM »
Jim Jordan is even worse

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« Reply #12904 on: January 14, 2018, 04:02:07 AM »
Jim Jordan is even worse

This so much.

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« Reply #12905 on: January 14, 2018, 07:48:33 AM »
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/950884746082562048.html

 :o

Stunningly deep and revealing thread on the Steele Dossier.

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he denies direct criminal evidence of DJT the person being involved in crimes.

CNN: "Trump Org and GOP Russian stooges"
GOP: "Trump was right he's not under investigation"
FoxNews: "TRUMP INNOCENT CNN SHOULD BE BANNED FROM THE AIRWAVES!"
Hannity: "Round up the Democrats and lock them up in gitmo!"
GOP: "Have you seen the stock markets? $1000 for everyone! We support the president against these slander and lies, what have you to say Donald?"
Donald: "Da.... I mean, yes"

BBC: "But Mr. Trump you ran the Trump Org?"
Donald: "The what now? I wasn't really involved, I volunteered"

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« Reply #12906 on: January 14, 2018, 02:04:17 PM »
It's all good guys, fake news media was out to sully Trump once more....David Perdue and Tom Cotton CONFIRM Trump didn't say those words. But even if he did, thats ok too. That's how REAL people talk and why Trump strikes a chord with REAL America.

Trump really wanted to get a deal on DACA but he just can't do it now because Dems and the snowflake lib media were so mean to him.

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« Reply #12907 on: January 14, 2018, 02:30:27 PM »
now DACA is tied up in court anyway. That could go on for like a year.

But there is a question of whether or not the republicans can even make a deal between themselves to keep the government open.


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« Reply #12910 on: January 14, 2018, 04:32:46 PM »
Moby wants to be noticed again, sad

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« Reply #12911 on: January 14, 2018, 06:57:55 PM »
Man the CIA really lost their edge. They went from assassinating foreign leaders, organizing protests, covering up the Kennedy turkey-shoot, running black sites with torture and blackmail to asking Moby to Tweet on their behalf.
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« Reply #12912 on: January 14, 2018, 08:05:35 PM »
Man the CIA really lost their edge. They went from assassinating foreign leaders, organizing protests, covering up the Kennedy turkey-shoot, running black sites with torture and blackmail to asking Moby to Tweet on their behalf.

Have you heard his music, though? It's pretty good.
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« Reply #12913 on: January 14, 2018, 08:10:26 PM »
Man the CIA really lost their edge. They went from assassinating foreign leaders, organizing protests, covering up the Kennedy turkey-shoot, running black sites with torture and blackmail to asking Moby to Tweet on their behalf.
They've been enlisting the help of artists for decades.
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« Reply #12914 on: January 14, 2018, 11:44:56 PM »
Man the CIA really lost their edge. They went from assassinating foreign leaders, organizing protests, covering up the Kennedy turkey-shoot, running black sites with torture and blackmail to asking Moby to Tweet on their behalf.
They've been enlisting the help of artists for decades.

Yeah... but Moby?

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« Reply #12915 on: January 15, 2018, 01:24:40 AM »
moby was recruited years ago to buttress support for the iraq war
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« Reply #12916 on: January 15, 2018, 06:49:18 AM »
nobody listens to techno
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« Reply #12917 on: January 15, 2018, 06:54:28 AM »
nobody listens to techno

Fuck you.

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« Reply #12918 on: January 15, 2018, 06:54:55 AM »
Moby doesn't do techno though.

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« Reply #12919 on: January 15, 2018, 06:56:38 AM »
moby was recruited years ago to buttress support for the iraq war

AND INSTAGRAM PROSTITUTION.
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« Reply #12920 on: January 15, 2018, 09:05:16 AM »
Moby doesn't do techno though.

Well he *could* get stomped by Obie.
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« Reply #12921 on: January 15, 2018, 12:55:03 PM »
How much does Jennifer Rubin hate Trump btw? Holy shit

Almost as much as she hates Iran.
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« Reply #12922 on: January 15, 2018, 01:13:01 PM »
How much does Jennifer Rubin hate Trump btw? Holy shit

She's got a new anti-Trump article nearly every day. :lol
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« Reply #12924 on: January 15, 2018, 03:28:08 PM »
Are there are any left wing columnists you guys like in particular? Paul Krugman has always been a hack (to the discredit of his academic career) and I'll never forgive Thomas Friedman for being the Imperial Messenger during the Bush Years.
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« Reply #12925 on: January 15, 2018, 04:47:36 PM »
Are there are any left wing columnists you guys like in particular? Paul Krugman has always been a hack (to the discredit of his academic career) and I'll never forgive Thomas Friedman for being the Imperial Messenger during the Bush Years.

People say this shit like they actually read his papers on trade theory or whatever back in the day.

It's like when that Piketty book came out and one of the talking points was "well nobody in France cared when this was published." As if Johan Goldberg really had his finger on the pulse of French economics.

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« Reply #12926 on: January 15, 2018, 04:49:49 PM »
I don't have to read his papers to know he is an accomplished and influential economist.
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« Reply #12927 on: January 15, 2018, 04:55:48 PM »
and acting like you're all sad about how that work's "discredited" man c'mon

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« Reply #12928 on: January 15, 2018, 05:52:45 PM »
I used that phrase wrong. I just meant his editorials annoy me sometimes.
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« Reply #12929 on: January 15, 2018, 06:24:59 PM »
Are there are any left wing columnists you guys like in particular? Paul Krugman has always been a hack (to the discredit of his academic career) and I'll never forgive Thomas Friedman for being the Imperial Messenger during the Bush Years.


I think Krugman is good people except when he steps too far out of his wheelhouse, but I'm not really reading a Krugman column to hear his hot-take on #METOO. Friedman is fine to me. I don't really seek him out, but I don't recoil when I come across his stuff. A lot I don't agree with the guy on, a lot of stuff I do, but agreements not really my goal when reading opinion columnists TBH, I just try to make sure they have intellectual integrity. Which honestly, leaves fewer and fewer columnists on the American right. With economics, I just look over Mark Thoma's "Economists View" blog where he aggregates a lot of stuff everyday and look through it, which often includes opinion pieces. I really liked econofact.org but they really slowed down on their updates and I get the sense they might not make it much longer. None of those are really columnists in the traditional sense though. So I might just be wasting your time.

I don't follow too many people specifically on general topics, I guess a few I find myself reading a lot are Maggie Haberman on Trump(not really a columnist though), Elizabeth Kolbert on Climate Change/environmental issues, Sarah Kliff, David Anderson, and The Incidental Economist guys for healthcare policy, Lawfare and Just Security for national security stuff. Thats off the top of my head. I'm sure if I sat here I could think of some more.


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« Reply #12930 on: January 15, 2018, 06:38:57 PM »
Ryan Cooper is decent from what I've read of him

also why is tom friedman being considered a leftist (same goes for most of those people Nola listed)

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« Reply #12931 on: January 15, 2018, 06:45:20 PM »
I don't think there are any good columnist on either side of the isle.
They all write cheap clickbait for their audience.

Right:
"TRUMP is best for economy according to the peoples!"
"Well about 51% of Republicans think so.... but they only count as the poor people have no money. How is it that poors get to vote anyway?"

Left:
"Global warming will kill us all in two days and the Russians did it"
"Well actually it won't, but really we got refugees from Syria because of Global warming. ISIS? What is ISIS? Is that a space station? Are you assuming my gender?"

Centrist:
"Hollywood rapists may not be so bad after all?!"
"So yeah, they raped but the rape wasn't real bad rape, like you know, they now have badges and charities and stuff, it's just how you look at it how bad it is also Silicon Valley"

InfoWars:
"We told you Hollywood was infected by pedophile vampires, WE WERE RIGHT! NOW READ THIS BOMBSHELL"
"Bulk up for some Roger Stone exclusive boom in your face. Hillary Clinton was responsible for the Vietnam War, no really it's true. FBI, CIA they were all involved as were the frog people, the Mexican ones not the gay frogs.
Coming up next how to prepare for the war against the globalist Chinese drug and ramen cartel"

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« Reply #12933 on: January 15, 2018, 07:37:34 PM »
Ryan Cooper is decent from what I've read of him

also why is tom friedman being considered a leftist (same goes for most of those people Nola listed)

I'd say most are center, center-left(They operate from reality though, which basically makes you a leftist in America :doge). I will say, I warned him I might just be wasting his time(probably was)....But no one else had really posted.


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« Reply #12934 on: January 15, 2018, 08:17:57 PM »
I think I hate Maureen Dowd more than any other columnist left or right.

Her writing style is just awful. I can’t even stomach it.

I don’t think there are opinion writers I universally enjoy.

I like Krugman maybe 70% of the time, but his shilling for Hillary was ridiculous. She supported the cat food commission’s final product that you derided for like 2 years, numb nuts.

I used to like glenn greenwald, but over the years realized a few things in the world of Glenn:
- America is always the aggressor, and is always wrong. Always
- trump sucks but the democrats suck just as bad
- the media is always wrong, except the intercept, which is always great
- Everybody that has ever been a part of his two big stories is above reproach at all times, then, now, and forever into the future. Exhibit A:

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/952984223752781826

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« Reply #12935 on: January 15, 2018, 09:04:53 PM »
I’d have a very good relationship with shithouse countries.
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« Reply #12936 on: January 15, 2018, 09:17:34 PM »
Greenwald is a piece of shit.

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« Reply #12937 on: January 15, 2018, 10:07:28 PM »
I am the least racist president you have ever interviewed, that I can tell you.


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« Reply #12939 on: January 15, 2018, 10:15:32 PM »
I don't think I've ever seen Greenwald go to bat for Assange on a personal level the way he does for Manning and Snowden. He's always seemed pretty careful to make clear he's defending the value of Wikileaks' whistleblowing and not Assange himself.

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« Reply #12940 on: January 15, 2018, 10:27:36 PM »

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« Reply #12941 on: January 15, 2018, 10:28:17 PM »
He was shilling about how innocent he was like a week ago.

Never mind that he was pretty happy to defend and deflect his conversations with Trump Jr. whether or not it was illegal, it was inappropriate for an organization that theoretically is about transparency.

Would love to hear what reality winner thinks about him.

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« Reply #12942 on: January 15, 2018, 10:32:55 PM »
Just wait til you find out how many people in Washington do deals with rich people in Russia!

The commies have been running the country the whole time!

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« Reply #12943 on: January 15, 2018, 10:35:00 PM »
Just wait til you find out how many people in Washington do deals with rich people in Russia!

The commies have been running the country the whole time!

Like Donald Trump.

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« Reply #12944 on: January 15, 2018, 11:49:54 PM »
The other forum and some folks on twitter are wringing hands over Manning running...and I don't get it. She's not a good public speaker and doesn't have an identifiable local base of support in Maryland. What demographic does she appeal to?

I'd imagine she'll try to poison the well a bit - ie losing and declaring the democrat winner unfit or not worth supporting. Not that it's going to matter in fucking Maryland.
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« Reply #12945 on: January 16, 2018, 12:06:57 AM »
I’d be waaay more concerned with Oprah, tbh. Whose only discernible positions from the past are no estate tax, and “supporting Obama and Hillary”.

She actually is a good public speaker, and has a base of people that like her, but also has no business being the President.

Chelsea is about to find out exactly how far the goodwill from leaking will take her. I predict it is not far. While perhaps her leaking was semi-admirable, in its way, my opinion is it had as much to do with her struggling with her identity as a person as it did have to do with anything honorable.

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« Reply #12946 on: January 16, 2018, 12:59:09 AM »
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I used to like glenn greenwald, but over the years realized a few things in the world of Glenn:
- America is always the aggressor, and is always wrong. Always
- trump sucks but the democrats suck just as bad
- the media is always wrong, except the intercept, which is always great
- Everybody that has ever been a part of his two big stories is above reproach at all times, then, now, and forever into the future. Exhibit A:
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Greenwald is a piece of shit.
except for the second and third ones because the intercept didn't exist at the time, so it'd be the guardian, and you have to swap in obama and the republicans these are literally what i used to read from the conservative regulars (and the two non-American Objectivists) on a libertarian forum while that black guy was in office

lots of SHOULDN'T TRUST HIM (AND BY PROXY RUSSIAN AGENT SNOWDEN) BECAUSE HE JUST DID THAT BECAUSE HE HATES AMERICA, NO MATTER WHAT AMERICA IS EVIL IN HIS MIND

ideally there would be something about sockpuppets too but nobody young enough remembers that probably

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« Reply #12947 on: January 16, 2018, 12:59:52 AM »
post made for Mandark: comment about Krugman's columns being written by his wife

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« Reply #12948 on: January 16, 2018, 01:01:43 AM »
Friedman is fine to me. I don't really seek him out, but I don't recoil when I come across his stuff. A lot I don't agree with the guy on, a lot of stuff I do, but agreements not really my goal when reading opinion columnists TBH, I just try to make sure they have intellectual integrity.
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« Reply #12949 on: January 16, 2018, 01:03:01 AM »
Paul Krugman, unlike Glenn Greenwald, opposed the Iraq War.

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« Reply #12950 on: January 16, 2018, 01:06:53 AM »
are we dumping on friedman
ok we're dumping on friedman

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Indeed, McDonald’s cannot flourish without McDonnell Douglas, the designer of the U.S. Air Force F-15. And the hidden fist that keeps the world safe for Silicon Valley’s technologies to flourish is called the U.S. Army, Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps. And these fighting forces and institutions are paid for by American taxpayer dollars.
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« Reply #12951 on: January 16, 2018, 01:11:10 AM »
I wonder if my posts of the time are buried enough that I can start telling people I opposed the Iraq War since you could take some of my younger benji arguments against claims/premises I thought were unsupported (i.e. it just for oil or what have you) and certainly frame them as not outright opposition. :doge

At least I didn't publish that I was wishy-washy about it in the introduction of a book.

Or run a Presidential campaign by claiming the guy I wanted to beat outsmarted me and tricked me into supporting something that I and I alone at the time thought said something different and required things totally not listed. But that I still supported anyway and wanted to just do better. Maybe. Which answer do you want again?

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« Reply #12952 on: January 16, 2018, 01:11:45 AM »
Speaking of leftist columnists, I'm a fan of Elizabeth Breunig.


Paul Krugman, unlike Glenn Greenwald, opposed the Iraq War.

That's a pretty cheap jab considering this was before he became interested in politics

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« Reply #12953 on: January 16, 2018, 01:13:07 AM »
making prescriptions for how every nation should conduct its international trade is being interested in politics
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« Reply #12954 on: January 16, 2018, 01:14:32 AM »
I'm talking about greenwald, not krugman (unless greenwald has a history I'm unaware of)

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« Reply #12955 on: January 16, 2018, 01:19:13 AM »
shut the fuck up about krugman already
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« Reply #12956 on: January 16, 2018, 01:19:39 AM »
wah wah wah

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« Reply #12957 on: January 16, 2018, 01:19:48 AM »
That's a pretty cheap jab considering this was before he became interested in politics
I'm not above this because I love those ancient videos where David Brooks when a student and thus still calling himself a social democrat is making the same stupid arguments he's made since he became a conservative just mildly different to a completely baffled Milton Friedman who basically asks him why he's so fucking stupid. (Something to be fair, he does to like six of the eight students in the video, and like extra hard to the conservatives who thought he would be on their side regarding drugs, which is totally a series I'd watch if I could think of someone today to do it.)

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« Reply #12958 on: January 16, 2018, 01:21:10 AM »
If I were committed to the gag, I'd go back to my "Greenwald supported the Iraq War" post and give it multiple bolded UPDATES showing how that post is vindicated.

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« Reply #12959 on: January 16, 2018, 01:22:35 AM »
^oops, my bad

ok just more proof that Thomas Friedman is still nothing but a bloviating yam, he wrote this article last November:

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Saudi Arabia’s Arab Spring, at Last

I never thought I’d live long enough to write this sentence: The most significant reform process underway anywhere in the Middle East today is in Saudi Arabia. Yes, you read that right. Though I came here at the start of Saudi winter, I found the country going through its own Arab Spring, Saudi style.

Unlike the other Arab Springs — all of which emerged bottom up and failed miserably, except in Tunisia — this one is led from the top down by the country’s 32-year-old crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, and, if it succeeds, it will not only change the character of Saudi Arabia but the tone and tenor of Islam across the globe. Only a fool would predict its success — but only a fool would not root for it.
Which is hilarious to read, because, well... Al Jazeera said it better than me, and five days before Friedman's nonsense was churned.
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"The real problem in Saudi Arabia right now that I see … is that Mohammed bin Salman now is bringing in the third wave of Arab autocratic authoritarian rule," says Khouri, who is also a senior fellow at the American University of Beirut. "What he's doing is almost unprecedented, and it's very dangerous, and it's, I think, for the region, it's going to be a problem." 

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But one thing I know for sure: Not a single Saudi I spoke to here over three days expressed anything other than effusive support for this anticorruption drive. The Saudi silent majority is clearly fed up with the injustice of so many princes and billionaires ripping off their country. While foreigners, like me, were inquiring about the legal framework for this operation, the mood among Saudis I spoke with was: “Just turn them all upside down, shake the money out of their pockets and don’t stop shaking them until it’s all out!”
They're going to get rid of all the corruption! Yay! Wait, where have I heard this before...


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