Wank Dad 2: Electric Wankaloo

[Rufus]

Curly, stop bullying this guy.

[agrajag]

I found a picture of Daddy P with Assimilate

[Assimilate]

 

mods halp, i'm being doxed by a Vagina

[thisismyusername]

It's the closest you've been to a vagina in a long time, though.

[Oblivion]

(Image removed from quote.)

I don't normally link to ground zero of JP fandom, but the thread referenced above is pro-click:

https://np.reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/comments/8wlhgw/i_started_a_jordan_peterson_meetup_and_now_im/

[TVC15]

(Image removed from quote.)

I don't normally link to ground zero of JP fandom, but the thread referenced above is pro-click:

https://np.reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/comments/8wlhgw/i_started_a_jordan_peterson_meetup_and_now_im/

500 bucks and I’ll attend their next meetup.

[Assimilate]

It's the closest you've been to a vagina in a long time, though.

i live with my gf.

try harder.

[TVC15]

It's the closest you've been to a vagina in a long time, though.

i live with my gf.

try harder.

It’s true. Proof:

[thisismyusername]

It's the closest you've been to a vagina in a long time, though.

i live with my gf.

try harder.

 

On another note: Have you actually finished the goddamn book, yet?

[Assimilate]

It's the closest you've been to a vagina in a long time, though.

i live with my gf.

try harder.

You live with your girlfriend but still cyberstalk and obsess over all of your exes on facebook?

who doesn't do that?

 

[Assimilate]

Well adjusted people

and we have those on TheBore?

 

[Assimilate]

What a plot twist that Assimilate reveals himself to be an obsessive malcontent that hasn't even read any of Peterson's work. It's almost too poetic.

You're trying too hard. It's not a good look.


Remember what Daddy P says

 

[TVC15]

Red Lobster: For the seafood lover in you?

[Joe Molotov]

Pet a cat?

[Trent Dole]

Meh it's pretty damn obvious at this point that dude is a dumbass and a crypto fash, stop listening to him/giving him money.

[agrajag]

Dillahunty obliterated him in that debate. I wasn't reading the wank dad thread at the time, but I imagine etiolate thought Daddy P held his own?

[Assimilate]

Dillahunty obliterated him in that debate. I wasn't reading the wank dad thread at the time, but I imagine etiolate thought Daddy P held his own?

 

As usual i went in for an annihilation and came out disappointed. This was akin to the Sam Harris debate where things get a bit bogged down and went nowhere. If you can point out where this "obliteration" occurred please do share, share some time stamps because i didn't see any.

[Mandark]

It can seem that way viewed out of context.

You really need to understand Peterson's theories (as laid out in Maps of Meanings) to appreciate how thoroughly he was humiliated.

[agrajag]

Dillahunty obliterated him in that debate. I wasn't reading the wank dad thread at the time, but I imagine etiolate thought Daddy P held his own?

 

As usual i went in for an annihilation and came out disappointed. This was akin to the Sam Harris debate where things get a bit bogged down and went nowhere. If you can point out where this "obliteration" occurred please do share, share some time stamps because i didn't see any.

the part where your boy said that magic shrooms prove the existence of god

 

you're a contrarian idiot if you think Dillahunty didn't do a much better job than Harris

[seagrams hotsauce]

It's the closest you've been to a vagina in a long time, though.

i live with my gf.

try harder.

does she pay rent

[Assimilate]

the part where your boy said that magic shrooms prove the existence of god

Only that's not what he said now is it? 
and he makes a point to say that's not what he said. And yet in your little vacuum that's still what you took away from it.

Peterson's whole thing is the connection between how people created meaning through myths, literature , etc and the psychology behind it. Yet, the autistys in here can't seem to get past that and keep doing a circle jerk around it. Like, either realize that's what the dude is about and go into listening to him with that in mind, or just i dunno? ignore him?

The most amusing part is listening to Dillahunty. For all the talk of 101 philosophy, Dillahunty is as base level 101 atheist as it gets. I did enjoy his salt levels though against Sam Harris, you can tell he feels a little cheated that Sam stole his thunder i guess.

[agrajag]

 

Assimilate is a philosophy expert now.

 

[TVC15]

Assimilate is a philosophy expert now.

 

You fools are lost, just staring at shadows on the wall—unlike Assimilate, who’s staring at YouTube videos on the laptop screen because he’s illiterate. Y kant Assimilate read??

[seagrams hotsauce]

seriously tho does your gf pay rent

[Assimilate]

Assimilate is a philosophy expert now.

 

You fools are lost, just staring at shadows on the wall—unlike Assimilate, who’s staring at YouTube videos on the laptop screen because he’s illiterate. Y kant Assimilate read??

Assimilate is a philosophy expert now.

 

Absolutely not but i at least at minimum listen to what is being said. You guys don't even do that. You're so used to hot takes and clickbait that you go for certain cues to run with. You don't actually try to get the point of what is being said.

It's fine if the purpose is to run with some meme jokes and have a laugh but a majority of you are sincerely trying to annihilate the guy and fail miserably.

seriously tho does your gf pay rent

I'm sorry i'm not comfortable answering too many personal questions with benji lurking around
 

[agrajag]

 

dude, actually no. He earnestly used magic mushrooms as evidence of god. Not to interpret myths, or explore shared culture, or whatever excuse you made for him. That was his evidence for god. That was just one example. Unlike you, apparently, I don't enjoy putting myself through the misery of watching Kermit Daddy speak, so unfortunately I will not be giving you timestamps. He meandered and avoided Dillahunty the entire debate, just like you are doing now. But, as has been pointed out, you don't believe in any of Daddy's pseudo-intellectual drivel, you are not a true believer like Etoilet. You just take the contrarian stance to whatever you see as the status quo on the board and get drunk on your weasely sidekick's likes.

 

[Oblivion]

What a plot twist that Assimilate reveals himself to be an obsessive malcontent that hasn't even read any of Peterson's work. It's almost too poetic.

And this is BEFORE he's read any of Peterson's shitty books!

Imagine what Assimilate's final form will look like. 

[TVC15]

Assimilate is a philosophy expert now.

 

You fools are lost, just staring at shadows on the wall—unlike Assimilate, who’s staring at YouTube videos on the laptop screen because he’s illiterate. Y kant Assimilate read??

Assimilate is a philosophy expert now.

 

Absolutely not but i at least at minimum listen to what is being said. You guys don't even do that. You're so used to hot takes and clickbait that you go for certain cues to run with. You don't actually try to get the point of what is being said.

Bitch, I’m not pausing my funk music to listen to white people talk modern philosophy. Here, you want a free philosophy lesson, and this is honest and truthful: there hasn’t been a philosopher worth bothering with since, like Russell, Sartre, Popper, maybe Wittgenstein, maybe Camus. Philosophy is a dead and worthless field.

Now go stick a chubby thumb in your non-letter-recognizin’ ass. This forum’s REAL Daddy is going to be getting probed by Dr. Funkenstein while jerking off to his new Artaud reader. Now he’s someone you should be checking out. Sorry, no YouTube vids tho.

[Kara]

Meh it's pretty damn obvious at this point that dude is a dumbass and a crypto fash, stop listening to him/giving him money.

If a smart person throws around the 100 million figure (like the Crank Dad does) they're not crypto.

[Assimilate]

dude, actually no. He earnestly used magic mushrooms as evidence of god. Not to interpret myths, or explore shared culture, or whatever excuse you made for him. That was his evidence for god. That was just one example. Unlike you, apparently, I don't enjoy putting myself through the misery of watching Kermit Daddy speak, so unfortunately I will not be giving you timestamps. He meandered and avoided Dillahunty the entire debate, just like you are doing now. But, as has been pointed out, you don't believe in any of Daddy's pseudo-intellectual drivel, you are not a true believer like Etoilet. You just take the contrarian stance to whatever you see as the status quo on the board and get drunk on your weasely sidekick's likes.

 

Bro i just listened to this debate. He didn't avoid anything. It was a pretty crappy debate overall, with Dillahunty just regurgitating the typical 'secular humanist' stance of
-religion is outdated and bad
-our idea of the moral code is changeable and therefore better (even though he misses the point that humans aren't normally reasonable people, but of course and his utopia idea of 'logical thinkers' are)
-you can't prove god therefore there is no god

yada yada yada. like the rest of them they come off "i'm better than you" attitude which Peterson isn't even interested in, because he isn't some fucking bishop taking the bible literally in every regard which is what Dillahunty is used to. He's a texan boy that used to be religious so he's accustomed to having to debate people on that base level.

That's why this thing was dumb.

. Philosophy is a dead and worthless field.

This is basically what Dawkins and Sam Harris used to say. But even Harris has started to change his viewpoint, mainly because of the implications of A.I but anyways.

[Oblivion]

Assimilate, if you were thoroughly impressed by Peterson's defense of the "mystical" (in quotes because like with many words, Peterson doesn't use them to mean things in the conventional sense that words mean things) experience with mushrooms, then I'm curious what you think about his argument that it's impossible to be a "true" atheist without murdering people and that all people who claim to be atheists are actually secret Christians?

[agrajag]

lol, no one says "you can't prove there is god therefore there is no god," such a mischaracterization shows how out of depth you are

 

[Assimilate]

Assimilate, if you were thoroughly impressed by Peterson's defense of the "mystical" (in quotes because like with many words, Peterson doesn't use them to mean things in the conventional sense that words mean things) experience with mushrooms, then I'm curious what you think about his argument that it's impossible to be a "true" atheist without murdering people and that all people who claim to be atheists are actually secret Christians?

That's a good question Oblivion, rarely do you or anyone ever ask an actual question debated on one of these things.

I don't know what to think about that yet. I can say that before i'd be one to immediately laugh it off as preposterous but Peterson makes a convincing argument.

Because, you know, it's hard to say since i am a product of western culture, and despite me not ever enjoying religion as a kid i did believe in god as a child. So how can i say i'm a true atheist in the sense that Peterson says i'm not? I don't know.

There are no cultures out there without religion or an idea of 'god' as he says 'standing on the shoulders of giants'. There are cultures that have tried to be godless, forcefully, and that didn't go well, we know that. And there's places like Scandinavia that is very secular, but they still come from Christianity and a lot of values and morals were derived from religion.

The problem with Dillahunty's stance is that he thinks people are reasonable and care about his wellbeing. I wouldn't be so sure of that, like Peterson isn't. The argument in that case isn't someone irrationally walking up to him and just chopping his fucking head off just cuz, but if there was a reason for it and it could be justified reasonably outside of his wellbeing would they do it? I think they would.

Does that make sense?

[Mandark]

[Oblivion]

Assimilate, if you were thoroughly impressed by Peterson's defense of the "mystical" (in quotes because like with many words, Peterson doesn't use them to mean things in the conventional sense that words mean things) experience with mushrooms, then I'm curious what you think about his argument that it's impossible to be a "true" atheist without murdering people and that all people who claim to be atheists are actually secret Christians?

That's a good question Oblivion, rarely do you or anyone ever ask an actual question debated on one of these things.

I don't know what to think about that yet. I can say that before i'd be one to immediately laugh it off as preposterous but Peterson makes a convincing argument.

Because, you know, it's hard to say since i am a product of western culture, and despite me not ever enjoying religion as a kid i did believe in god as a child. So how can i say i'm a true atheist in the sense that Peterson says i'm not? I don't know.

There are no cultures out there without religion or an idea of 'god' as he says 'standing on the shoulders of giants'. There are cultures that have tried to be godless, forcefully, and that didn't go well, we know that. And there's places like Scandinavia that is very secular, but they still come from Christianity and a lot of values and morals were derived from religion.

The problem with Dillahunty's stance is that he thinks people are reasonable and care about his wellbeing. I wouldn't be so sure of that, like Peterson isn't. The argument in that case isn't someone irrationally walking up to him and just chopping his fucking head off just cuz, but if there was a reason for it and it could be justified reasonably outside of his wellbeing would they do it? I think they would.

Does that make sense?

But the thing is, Christianity didn't come up with the idea of "murdering people is bad". This has been a thing since fricken Hammurabi. Not to mention that Christians have been quite terrible at following their own advice, as the Inquisition, Native American genocides, and hundreds of years of slavery have demonstrated.

[agrajag]

[agrajag]

Much like Peterson's own teachings, if you take out all the goofy esoterics and leave the good stuff, you're left with simple, common-sense platitudes that have existed for millenia, such as "clean your room" and "don't murder people."

[Assimilate]

Assimilate, if you were thoroughly impressed by Peterson's defense of the "mystical" (in quotes because like with many words, Peterson doesn't use them to mean things in the conventional sense that words mean things) experience with mushrooms, then I'm curious what you think about his argument that it's impossible to be a "true" atheist without murdering people and that all people who claim to be atheists are actually secret Christians?

That's a good question Oblivion, rarely do you or anyone ever ask an actual question debated on one of these things.

I don't know what to think about that yet. I can say that before i'd be one to immediately laugh it off as preposterous but Peterson makes a convincing argument.

Because, you know, it's hard to say since i am a product of western culture, and despite me not ever enjoying religion as a kid i did believe in god as a child. So how can i say i'm a true atheist in the sense that Peterson says i'm not? I don't know.

There are no cultures out there without religion or an idea of 'god' as he says 'standing on the shoulders of giants'. There are cultures that have tried to be godless, forcefully, and that didn't go well, we know that. And there's places like Scandinavia that is very secular, but they still come from Christianity and a lot of values and morals were derived from religion.

The problem with Dillahunty's stance is that he thinks people are reasonable and care about his wellbeing. I wouldn't be so sure of that, like Peterson isn't. The argument in that case isn't someone irrationally walking up to him and just chopping his fucking head off just cuz, but if there was a reason for it and it could be justified reasonably outside of his wellbeing would they do it? I think they would.

Does that make sense?

But the thing is, Christianity didn't come up with the idea of "murdering people is bad". This has been a thing since fricken Hammurabi. Not to mention that Christians have been quite terrible at following their own advice, as the Inquisition, Native American genocides, and hundreds of years of slavery have demonstrated.

ok? If i understand Peterson correctly, and Christianity in general, it was the first major religion to put the emphasis on the self, and the intrinsic value of ones "soul".

Much like Peterson's own teachings, if you take out all the goofy esoterics and leave the good stuff, you're left with simple, common-sense platitudes that have existed for millenia, such as "clean your room" and "don't murder people."

Even if that were the case, what's the problem? He's made it clear who the book is for.

I hope you don't need someone to say "clean your room", and "walk with your shoulders back" when you're a grown ass man.

[agrajag]

I hope you don't need someone to say "clean your room", and "walk with your shoulders back" when you're a grown ass man.

No, but apparently you do.

 

[Assimilate]

I hope you don't need someone to say "clean your room", and "walk with your shoulders back" when you're a grown ass man.

No, but apparently you do.

 

 
i'm going to sleep. keep trying.

[Mandark]

I told you to read this. You can probably skip the first half and not miss anything, even. https://www.academia.edu/20852194/RELIGION_SOVEREIGNTY_NATURAL_RIGHTS_AND_THE_CONSTITUENT_ELEMENTS_OF_EXPERIENCE

Peterson sees the concept of natural rights as arising inevitably from Christian theology, specifically the idea that all people have "sovereignty" under the Christian God, and that this is a continuation of the democratization of classical Egyptian religion, which began as investing divinity only into the pharaohs and then gradually expanded spiritual value to some other classes of society.

There are some very big and very obvious problems with this.

[agrajag]

I hope you don't need someone to say "clean your room", and "walk with your shoulders back" when you're a grown ass man.

No, but apparently you do.

 

 
i'm going to sleep. keep trying.

Assimilate:

I hope you don't need someone to say "clean your room", and "walk with your shoulders back" when you're a grown ass man.

Also Assimilate:

I just purchased the 12 steps audiobook

 

[seagrams hotsauce]

lmao
 
assimos gf's hustle is strong

[Kara]

Peterson sees the concept of natural rights as arising inevitably from Christian theology, specifically the idea that all people have "sovereignty" under the Christian God, and that this is a continuation of the democratization of classical Egyptian religion, which began as investing divinity only into the pharaohs and then gradually expanded spiritual value to some other classes of society.

For someone who screams about Marxism all the time the Crank Dad sure seems to like his Hegelian dialectic.

[seagrams hotsauce]

who cares. dude is a trick

[HardcoreRetro]

Much like Peterson's own teachings, if you take out all the goofy esoterics and leave the good stuff, you're left with simple, common-sense platitudes that have existed for millenia, such as "clean your room" and "don't murder people."

As I said in the other thread, it's basically stoicism if you cut out the crap.

[Assimilate]

I hope you don't need someone to say "clean your room", and "walk with your shoulders back" when you're a grown ass man.

No, but apparently you do.

 

 
i'm going to sleep. keep trying.

Assimilate:

I hope you don't need someone to say "clean your room", and "walk with your shoulders back" when you're a grown ass man.

Also Assimilate:

I just purchased the 12 steps audiobook

 

Harping me to read a Peterson book and then making fun of me for reading a Peterson book?

 

[agrajag]

That man's name?

Etiolate

[Assimilate]

I once saw this guy on the bus. Cargo shorts, animu silk-screen shirt, long white socks, sneakers with velcro.

He was reading Atlas Shrugged. A girl sat near him, he kept talking to her about the book, without her wanting him to.

She eventually pushed the stop button, got up, walked towards the front of the bus and sat back down.

I feel like that guy is probably deep in to Peterson.

You'll always get weirdos like that on both sides. It's like the occupy wall street movement, you ended up with a bunch of jobless hippies singing songs and snapping fingers.

[agrajag]

[jakefromstatefarm]

...there hasn’t been a philosopher worth bothering with since, like Russell, Sartre, Popper, maybe Wittgenstein, maybe Camus.

youre on record speaking approvingly of Foucault so I know you don’t actually believe this.

ok? If i understand Peterson correctly, and Christianity in general, it was the first major religion to put the emphasis on the self, and the intrinsic value of ones "soul".

”Christianity is essentially a religion of individualism” is a claim that is obviously too broad and sweeping to accurately describe the core of something practiced/believed on six continents for ~2000 years by billions of people, alive (the quick?) and dead. If anything, it’s a common caricature of the type of reformed Presbyterianism that Peterson himself grew up in, that, for my money, he’s projecting across time and space to justify being a cold warrior in the year of our lord 2018.

There’s also no reason we should think Christianity places any more ‘value’ in the soul than either of the other abrahamic religions or the classical or Hellenistic systems of thought that Christianity appropriated from. At least not until ‘value’ is sufficiently defined/analyzed.

For someone who screams about Marxism all the time the Crank Dad sure seems to like his Hegelian dialectic.

he needs reason to work itself out in history (through a Darwinian pruning, just of culture instead of physiology) in order to gripe about all this stored up latent knowledge that’s being trod upon. The end of history gives you a view that’s oddly just as utopian as the not-really-marxists that you’re shadowboxing.

[TVC15]

...there hasn’t been a philosopher worth bothering with since, like Russell, Sartre, Popper, maybe Wittgenstein, maybe Camus.

youre on record speaking approvingly of Foucault so I know you don’t actually believe this.

Kinda slipped my mind. The kinda is because although I do like a lot of his stuff, I often question the ultimate value of much of it.

And besides, Assimilate is way too dumb to grok that. He wouldn’t even be able to handle it in YouTube form.

[team filler]

 

[Assimilate]

...there hasn’t been a philosopher worth bothering with since, like Russell, Sartre, Popper, maybe Wittgenstein, maybe Camus.

youre on record speaking approvingly of Foucault so I know you don’t actually believe this.

Kinda slipped my mind. The kinda is because although I do like a lot of his stuff, I often question the ultimate value of much of it.

And besides, Assimilate is way too dumb to grok that. He wouldn’t even be able to handle it in YouTube form.

Crappy ass Foucault? Where you learn in almost every single introductory writing and philosophy class in Univ GTFO You wanna discuss Panopticon next?   

Now that's rich.

Did you even attend college you degenerate depressive?

[team filler]

 

[Tasty]

[agrajag]

There is a reason they teach Foucault in class and not Cranky P.

[benjipwns]

why would you teach Foucault in an introductory writing course? (or even intro to philosophy really? doing the Greeks is hard enough)

Daddy P's beef is with Derrida anyway. Even though Foucault was the Marxist.

[agrajag]

I unno, we did Foucault in writing class too

[Assimilate]

why would you teach Foucault in an introductory writing course?
Daddy P's beef is with Derrida anyway. Even though Foucault was the Marxist.

There is a reason they teach Foucault in class and not Cranky P.

I don't remember why it was taught in writing but it was (if i remember correctly) because funny enough i wrote a paper on Foucault. i think it was based on Panopticon and i applied it to the movie The Matrix