Clinton Aide Gives Edwards the Edge in Iowa
Washington Wire reports an adviser to Sen. Hillary Clinton says John Edwards’s support with veteran Iowa caucus-goers gives him the edge in the first state that will vote for presidential nominees. "But Des Moines Register sage David Yepsen warns Edwards would suffer if Obama and Clinton succeed in attracting college students and older women who are novices to caucus process."
Clinton Co-Chair Defects to Obama Campaign
Garry Thomas, a Clinton campaign co-chair in Iowa, is now supporting Sen. Barack Obama, the Washington Post reports.
Thomas "attributed his defection to the new tone Clinton took last weekend, describing it as divisive."
The republicans are dead because of the Iraq issue.Not as much as you would think. America is growing less and less angry about Iraq as the days go on. Health Care, The Economy, and Immigration are bigger issues right now.
17? omg. SERIOUSLY?spoiler (click to show/hide)And I didnt say I would leave, FoC wants me to buy him a book if I lose lol.[close]
The ordained Southern Baptist minister now leads Romney by a two-to-one margin, 39 percent to 17 percent, among likely GOP caucus-goers. In the last NEWSWEEK survey, conducted Sept. 26-27, Huckabee polled a mere 6 percent to Romney's 25 percent, which then led the field.
Huckabee has also opened up a wide margin over the next three leading candidates, who all show signs of fading in Iowa: Rudy Giuliani, who dropped from 15 percent in the last survey to 9 percent in the current one; Fred Thompson, who fell from 16 percent to 10 percent; and John McCain, who slipped from 7 percent to 6 percent. "You rarely see anything like [Huckabee's surge]," says Larry Hugick, who directed the polling for Princeton Survey Research Associates. Hugick added that the reason has as much to do with a leeriness of the other candidates among Republican voters as Huckabee's folksy success on the stump. "He's filling a vacuum," Hugick said. "Nobody on the Republican side was getting strong support."
Dear God, I hope rudy and Romney pull out the big guns on Huckabee soon.The Mormon speech was his big gun. :-\
Dear God, I hope rudy and Romney pull out the big guns on Huckabee soon.The Mormon speech was his big gun. :-\
Here's my problem with your argument, which is far too technical, and slightly obtuse: if a politician is going to put heavy emphasis on an issue that he or she declares "moral", it would definitely help if they actually believe it themselves. I'm sorry, but I would like to trust my politicians on certain subjects. In Gore's case, he has deemed global warming a moral issue. He has received many awards for his great work on climate change. Yet, he certainly doesn't "live" what he preaches. Neither do the other presidential candidates, who fly in on a private jet or own a couple SUVs, or whatever.
While I certainly wouldn't dismiss Gore's arguments because of his hypocrisy, it is still a character issue to me, and I'm more likely to tune him out. Most Americans would like to have politicians who honestly believe what they're saying. Sadly our political climate is built by politicians who tell the people everything they want to hear, even when it contradicts. Think Hillary.
Sen. Hillary Clinton leads with 27%, followed by Edwards with 24% and Sen. Barack Obama at 22%.
If i could, i'd vote for bush all over again.
only fault he made was he didnt steal iraq's oil fast enough
[youtube=425,350]5csHHBtLwds[/youtube]to be fair he was more fisicially conservative as mayor than Huckabee and Romney were as governors.
Rudy explains he is the most fiscal conservative. :lol
to be fair he was more fisicially conservative as mayor than Huckabee and Romney were as governors.
LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) -- Mike Huckabee once advocated isolating AIDS patients from the general public, opposed increased federal funding in the search for a cure and said homosexuality could "pose a dangerous public health risk."
As a candidate for a U.S. Senate seat in 1992, Huckabee answered 229 questions submitted to him by The Associated Press. Besides a quarantine, Huckabee suggested that Hollywood celebrities fund AIDS research from their own pockets, rather than federal health agencies.
"If the federal government is truly serious about doing something with the AIDS virus, we need to take steps that would isolate the carriers of this plague," Huckabee wrote.
"It is difficult to understand the public policy towards AIDS. It is the first time in the history of civilization in which the carriers of a genuine plague have not been isolated from the general population, and in which this deadly disease for which there is no cure is being treated as a civil rights issue instead of the true health crisis it represents."
The AP submitted the questionnaire to both candidates; only Huckabee responded. Incumbent Sen. Dale Bumpers won his four term; Huckabee was elected lieutenant governor the next year and became governor in 1996.
When asked about AIDS research in 1992, Huckabee complained that AIDS research received an unfair share of federal dollars when compared to cancer, diabetes and heart disease.
"In light of the extraordinary funds already being given for AIDS research, it does not seem that additional federal spending can be justified," Huckabee wrote. "An alternative would be to request that multimillionaire celebrities, such as Elizabeth Taylor (,) Madonna and others who are pushing for more AIDS funding be encouraged to give out of their own personal treasuries increased amounts for AIDS research."
Huckabee did not return messages left with his campaign.
When Huckabee wrote his answers in 1992, it was common knowledge that AIDS could not be spread by casual contact. In late 1991, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said there were 195,718 AIDS patients in the country and that 126,159 people had died from the syndrome.
The nation had an increased awareness of AIDS at the time because pro basketball star Magic Johnson had recently disclosed he carried the virus responsible for it. Johnson retired but returned to the NBA briefly during the 1994-95 season.
Since becoming a presidential candidate this year, Huckabee has supported increased federal funding for AIDS research through the National Institutes of Health.
"My administration will be the first to have an overarching strategy for dealing with HIV and AIDS here in the United States, with a partnership between the public and private sectors that will provide necessary financing and a realistic path toward our goals," Huckabee said in a statement posted on his campaign Web site last month.
Also in the wide-ranging AP questionnaire in 1992, Huckabee said, "I feel homosexuality is an aberrant, unnatural, and sinful lifestyle, and we now know it can pose a dangerous public health risk."
A Southern Baptist preacher, Huckabee has been a favorite among social conservatives for his vocal opposition to gay marriage. In 2003, Huckabee said that the U.S. Supreme Court was probably right to strike down anti-sodomy laws, but that states still should be able to restrict things such as gay marriage or domestic partner benefits.
"What people do in the privacy of their own lives as adults is their business," Huckabee said. "If they bring it into the public square and ask me as a taxpayer to support it or to endorse it, then it becomes a matter of public discussion and discourse."
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That is a bit different than wanting to isolate them from society.
AIDS comes down to personal responsibility in so many ways, but sadly people won't recognize that. It's almost a dirty wordMagic Johnson
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DES MOINES – As the battle for Iowa enters the home stretch, the race appears to be breaking down along a simple fault line: Mike Huckabee’s momentum and passion versus Mitt Romney’s organization.
What one has the other lacks.
After a prolonged inspection of the candidates in the race and a period of waiting to see who else might run, many Hawkeye State Republicans seem to have narrowed the contest to a choice between two former governors.
All the mojo seems to be with Huckabee – a Newsweek poll released Friday shows him ahead of Romney by a staggering 39 percent to 17 percent margin.
But Iowa veterans warn that while Huckabee is all the rage, it’s almost impossible to win in Iowa without an organization – and Huckabee’s is skeletal. “A poll is a poll in Iowa,” observes Ed Failor Jr., a longtime Iowa Republican and anti-tax leader based in Muscatine who is currently undecided. “But it’s different than turning out voters on caucus night.”
Supporters of Huckabee say his appeal is deep and fundamental. The Southern Baptist minister hits conservative Iowans in the heart, and his views, as well as his modest background, are much like theirs.
“I think at this stage of the game, I can be a little more pure to my heart,” says Mark Lundberg, chairman of the Sioux County GOP. “At some point, I may have to become pragmatic, but Huckabee is a little closer to where I am as a Christian conservative.”
And it’s not just the Arkansan’s consistency on cultural issues such as abortion that is appealing, Lundberg said. It’s also his Christian spirit.
“I hate to use the words ‘compassionate conservative,’” Lundberg says with a chuckle, but “he has a lot of sympathy for people in need.”
Forty percent of those likely to show up on Jan. 3 to participate in the Iowa caucuses are self-identified evangelicals. Polls show Huckabee has established a solid lead among this constituency and that his backers are more committed than those of Romney.
The apparent move by Iowa’s evangelical base came after the community took a look at Fred Thompson and decided to take a pass, Republicans here say. If the bumper sticker for Democratic activists in Iowa in 2004 was “Dated Dean, Married Kerry,” it may be “Flirted with Fred, Fell for Huck” among social conservatives this time.
Beyond Huckabee and Romney, “all the others seem to be in the back of the pack,” observes Steve Scheffler, head of the Iowa Christian Alliance.
And even Scheffler, who has been skeptical of Huckabee’s viability, marvels at what he calls “an amazing political success story.”
His organic surge is “a testimony to the power of the evangelicals and pro-life Catholics in the Republican party,” Scheffler says.
But beyond Thompson’s failure to launch, Huckabee’s rise also speaks to the hunger in the party for a Romney alternative.
“People were looking for a conservative they felt comfortable with,” Lundberg adds.
there are 37 people interested in Guiliani? do you read the bullshit you post? can you read?
Reply to the article I want your thoughts on it, plus Rally/campaign discussion of that candidate is not allowed.there are 37 people interested in Guiliani? do you read the bullshit you post? can you read?
Those are meetup.com numbers. You need to read moron.
Huckabee is surging early enough to have the other big guns bring him down. Huckabee has alot to explain though. Why has he raised taxes more than Clinton in Arkansas?That's his major problem in the fight with Romney.
why the fuck would ron paul have meetups in 26 countries? you don't think it's more likely the site was spammed by paulites?
I dunno his support is amongst young voters and for primaries young voter turnout is HORRIBLE, its all old ladies and old men who decide primary elections really. They'll be too busy on christmas break to show up I am thinking. I am hopeful though. I would prefer Obama to face Rudy/Huckabee/Romney than Clinton.
The majority of democrats nationally. And in general election matchups, the majority of the nation as a whole by a slim margin.I dunno his support is amongst young voters and for primaries young voter turnout is HORRIBLE, its all old ladies and old men who decide primary elections really. They'll be too busy on christmas break to show up I am thinking. I am hopeful though. I would prefer Obama to face Rudy/Huckabee/Romney than Clinton.
Maybe, I cant really comment on hillary because I cant, for the life of me figure out who the fuck supports her.
Is it too late to register to vote? How do I do so?
http://www.clipaday.com/videos/-hillary-clinton-squeeks-during-debate
:lol
ATLANTA (AP) - Civil rights icon Andrew Young says Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is too young and lacks the support network to ascend to the White House.http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071208/D8TDI1B00.html
In a media interview posted online, Young also quipped that Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton has her husband behind her, and that "Bill is every bit as black as Barack."
"He's probably gone with more black women than Barack," Young said of former President Clinton, drawing laughter from a live television audience. Young, 75, was quick to follow his comment on Bill Clinton with the disclaimer, "I'm clowning."
Young, a former United Nations ambassador and lieutenant of Martin Luther King, Jr., made the comments at an appearance at "Newsmakers Live," an urban media forum that interviews prominent Atlanta personalities and political figures.
Excerpts of the interview were posted on Newsmakers Journal, the Newsmakers' Web site, though the date of the appearance was not included with the video posting. Young was scheduled to appear on "Newsmakers Live" on Sept. 5, according to a press release.
Repeated efforts by The Associated Press to reach Young were unsuccessful.
Young's comments were prompted by a member of the audience who inquired about his opinion on Obama's candidacy.
"I want Barack Obama to be president," Young said, pausing for effect, "in 2016."
"It's not a matter of being inexperienced. It's a matter of being young," Young said. "There's a certain level of maturity ... you've got to learn to take a certain amount of (expletive)."
Young went on to say that Obama needs a protective network that he currently lacks - a quality that could hurt him if he were to be elected. He said Hillary Clinton already has that kind of network, including her husband to back her up.
"There are more black people that Bill and Hillary lean on," Young said. "You cannot be president alone. ... To put a brother in there by himself is to set him up for crucifixion. His time will come and the world will be ready for a visionary leadership."
Oregon
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. House of Representatives Democratic leaders are contemplating legislation that would give President George W. Bush $70 billion in new funds for war but without any timetables for withdrawing troops from Iraq, The Washington Post reported on Saturd
If the caucuses were held tonight, these are the results we would predict:
First Place
Mike Huckabee -- Upward Momentum -- Huckabee's meteoric rise came late enough in the campaign that many had already written him off, but even his skeptics here appear to be giving him a second look. His support, cultivated by time and resources spent largely in Western Iowa while the media was busy elsewhere watching other candidates over the past several months, is solid. And the organizational disadvantage he faced compared to former Gov. Mitt Romney appears to be diminishing. Huckabee is the new Iowa frontrunner.
Second Place
Mitt Romney -- Counterintuitively, it seems, Huckabee's rise had little to do with Romney's own campaign. He still makes few mistakes and is as skilled a politician as any presidential candidate from either party. Most of Iowa's political heavy-hitters continue to stand by him. But rank-and-file caucus-goers, many of whom remained undecided up until this point, appear to be breaking in Huckabee's favor. Romney's support among these voters, which was fairly soft to begin with, is slowly shrinking.
Third Place
Ron Paul -- The more we think about it, the more we conclude that none of the remaining candidates on this list have a strong base of support the way Rep. Paul does. His unlikely coalition of supporters does not include many typical caucus-goers, but they are devoted. And to top it all off, the campaign appears to be fairly well organized here, with paid calls, visibility (television, radio, billboards), and direct outreach efforts. Much about the Paul campaign will remain up in the air until caucus night, but a third place finish would certainly raise some eyebrows heading into New Hampshire.
Look how awesome the Dems are doing on one of the most important issues.Well, the iraq issue is far less big than it was last year or earlier this year. Americans are not really angry about it as much as they were. Approval ratings for the war have continued to go up for the war over the year, right now only 48% of the country at large think we are not winning, a far higher number than earlier. And it is no longer the top issue. Health Care has out-ranked it lately.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071208/pl_nm/iraq_usa_funding_dc (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071208/pl_nm/iraq_usa_funding_dc)QuoteWASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. House of Representatives Democratic leaders are contemplating legislation that would give President George W. Bush $70 billion in new funds for war but without any timetables for withdrawing troops from Iraq, The Washington Post reported on Saturd
Look how awesome the Dems are doing on one of the most important issues.Well, the iraq issue is far less big than it was last year or earlier this year. Americans are not really angry about it as much as they were. Approval ratings for the war have continued to go up for the war over the year, right now only 48% of the country at large think we are not winning, a far higher number than earlier. And it is no longer the top issue. Health Care has out-ranked it lately.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071208/pl_nm/iraq_usa_funding_dc (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071208/pl_nm/iraq_usa_funding_dc)QuoteWASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. House of Representatives Democratic leaders are contemplating legislation that would give President George W. Bush $70 billion in new funds for war but without any timetables for withdrawing troops from Iraq, The Washington Post reported on Saturd
in 2006 Americans were angry about Iraq. In 2007 they are bored of the issue. People don't seem to talk about it and the media has more or lessed dropped it from the news.
I doubt Huckabee will win Iowa. He may have all the momentum, but it'll be a miracle if he can get the infrastructure needed to take over the caucus in time (less than a month). Romney has the machinery ready to go
Iowa politics is all about machinery. Romney has the best machinary in Iowa for the GOP while Hillary and Edwards have the best machinary for dems.I doubt Huckabee will win Iowa. He may have all the momentum, but it'll be a miracle if he can get the infrastructure needed to take over the caucus in time (less than a month). Romney has the machinery ready to go
What machinery?
Iowa politics is all about machinery. Romney has the best machinary in Iowa for the GOP while Hillary and Edwards have the best machinary for dems.
"A political machine is an unofficial system of a political organization based on patronage, the spoils system, "behind-the-scenes" control, and longstanding political ties within the structure of a representative democracy."
It's all about wooing control over various elected officials and precinct captains in Iowa so come caucus day those in charge of the precinct are in your pocket. Because in iowa caucus you are allowed to pressure people in the rooms to vote for your candidate and openly attempt to "steal" away votes from candidates. Its awesome.
Everyone stands in a corner of a room for a candidate and then they yell at eachother trying to make them join the other sides.
"A political machine is an unofficial system of a political organization based on patronage, the spoils system, "behind-the-scenes" control, and longstanding political ties within the structure of a representative democracy."...this country is fucked.
It's all about wooing control over various elected officials and precinct captains in Iowa so come caucus day those in charge of the precinct are in your pocket. Because in iowa caucus you are allowed to pressure people in the rooms to vote for your candidate and openly attempt to "steal" away votes from candidates. Its awesome.
Everyone stands in a corner of a room for a candidate and then they yell at eachother trying to make them join the other sides.
Questioning whether or not politician-x is a hypocrite is useful when judging exactly how much of their agenda that person can actually pass
uh its been that way in Iowa since...forever? Thats how Kerry won last time, Dean had the supporters, the excitment, the money. But Kerry had the machine and organization."A political machine is an unofficial system of a political organization based on patronage, the spoils system, "behind-the-scenes" control, and longstanding political ties within the structure of a representative democracy."...this country is fucked.
It's all about wooing control over various elected officials and precinct captains in Iowa so come caucus day those in charge of the precinct are in your pocket. Because in iowa caucus you are allowed to pressure people in the rooms to vote for your candidate and openly attempt to "steal" away votes from candidates. Its awesome.
Everyone stands in a corner of a room for a candidate and then they yell at eachother trying to make them join the other sides.
In Iowa:Obama is within the margin of error in all 3 states, Huckabee leads in 2 out of the 3 now.
* Among Democrats, Clinton 27%, Obama 25% and Edwards 21%. .
* Among Republicans, Huckabee 32%, Romney 20% and Thompson 11%.
In New Hampshire:
* Among Democrats, Clinton 30%, Obama 27% and Edwards 10%.
* Among Republicans, Romney 25%, Giuliani 17%, McCain 16% and Huckabee 11%.
In South Carolina:
* Among Democrats, Clinton 30%, Obama 27% and Edwards 10%.
* Among Republcans, Huckabee 20%, Giuliani 17%, Romney 15%, Thompson 14% and McCain 10%.
Who better to go door to door canvassing than somebody who has already done it full time for 2 years as a missionary for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?:o
In a surprising turn of events many (Mormons) Latter-day Saints are not out cheering for Mitt Romney with whom they share faith.
http://lds4ronpaul.blogspot.com/2007/12/mormons-knocking-doors-for-ron-paul.html (http://lds4ronpaul.blogspot.com/2007/12/mormons-knocking-doors-for-ron-paul.html)Romney has the mormon vote locked. Nearly all of his money comes either himself or Utah. I saw a poll for Mormons where he had an astonishing like 92% of mormon vote support in the GOP primary. It was in uh october I believe.QuoteWho better to go door to door canvassing than somebody who has already done it full time for 2 years as a missionary for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?:o
In a surprising turn of events many (Mormons) Latter-day Saints are not out cheering for Mitt Romney with whom they share faith.
All those Pro-life, Pro-gay marriage mormons...Romney isn't pro gay marriage lol.
All those Pro-life, Pro-gay marriage mormons...Romney isn't pro gay marriage lol.
Yeah, he was pro-choice pro-gay marriage...etc then.All those Pro-life, Pro-gay marriage mormons...Romney isn't pro gay marriage lol.
You havnt seen those Memos where he was sucking the gay vote dick in Massachusetts?
"I hope we answer the alarm clock and take this nation back for Christ."
- Mike Huckabee
Al Hunt reports "things are tense in Hillaryland these days" as Sen. Hillary Clinton's "once-commanding advantage" over Sen. Barack Obama "is evaporating."
Furthermore, there "are also political strains with her greatest asset and surrogate, Bill Clinton. The former president was quoted last month as saying he had really opposed the invasion of Iraq from the beginning; he later claimed he was misquoted. Top Clinton campaign officials were privately furious at the former president, saying he had revived the complaint that the Clintons lack credibility, unfairly tarnishing his wife in the process."
"For his part, the former president, one close associate says, has been bouncing off the walls at the campaign's ineptitude in the past few weeks. (It is not known if the Clintons shared any of these sentiments with each other)."
Hunt says Clinton may be "weighing a shakeup, such as bringing in former White House Chief of Staff John Podesta to direct the overall campaign. The question is whether it's too late and too awkward before those first contests, which are to be held in 3 1/2 weeks."
It's partly his fault. Clinton may be a good guy and everything, but we all know he'll say anything to win an election. The gay marriage "advice" he gave Kerry in 2004 tells you everything you need to know about him.She is still a few % ahead and has far better organization, if she can hold on to that for just 3 more weeks the nomination is hers.
I would love to be a fly on the wall in Clinton's campaign quarters right now. I bet she's pissed. Obama has destroyed her leads and she hasn't had much of a chance to gain positive coverage. Hell the hostage situation was the best thing that happened to her campaign this month
GOP presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee said Sunday that he stands by the statement he made 15 years ago that AIDS patients should have been isolated.
"I didn't say that we should quarantine," Huckabee said in an interview with Fox News, "I simply made the point, and I still believe this today, that in the late '80s and early '90's, when we didn't know as much as we do now about AIDS, we were acting more out of political correctness than ... normal health protocols."
you cut out the part where he said he didn't mean something as extreme as quarantine.
you need to like, get therapy. do you understand what the word "discourse" means?
..not really. you really should post huckabee's full story for a thing like that. it's of course all bullshit to pander to the religious base that he'll forget about once he gets elected/doesn't get elected but it's important to show what the exact terms of his bullshit are.
Huckabee's a real piece of shit.
Neither Hillary or Rudy will be the nomination.Hillary still has the most support amongst Democrats, despite the small lead. If she can hold that for another 3 weeks its hers.
Neither Hillary or Rudy will be the nomination.
Hillary, despite all the negative news, still has huge advantages in terms of the complexity of her campaign
Hillary, despite all the negative news, still has huge advantages in terms of the complexity of her campaign
USA Today had a favorable/unfavorable poll amongst Democrats. Hillary had higher favorables in the Dem party at large than Obama. She had 60, he had 54.
And neither will Ron Paul
And neither will Ron Paul
Are we talking about Ron Paul now?
The republicans will not win the presidency unless they nominate Ron Paul. It's pretty simple.
:kylielaff :kylielaff :kylielaff
Romney could potentially pull a general election win, his organization is pretty fucking good.
The republicans will not win the presidency unless they nominate Ron Paul. It's pretty simple.
The republicans will not win the presidency unless they nominate Ron Paul. It's pretty simple.
The republicans will not win the presidency unless they nominate Ron Paul. It's pretty simple.
The republicans will not win the presidency unless they nominate Ron Paul. It's pretty simple.I was spraying whipped cream into my mouth when I read that.
you are an idiot if you need that explained. It's what his whole campaign has hinged on.Romney could potentially pull a general election win, his organization is pretty fucking good.
you keep saying he has organization. prove it.
New Iowa Poll:
Mike Huckabee 39%
Mitt Romney 23%
Rudy Giuliani 8%
Fred Thompson 8%
John McCain 6%
Ron Paul 5%
Tom Tancredo 3%
Duncan Hunter 1%
I was spraying whipped cream into my mouth when I read that.
I wasn't talking about organization there. You can't just SHOW organization with a little blog or wikipedia link like yours. It's intangible.
New Iowa Poll:
Mike Huckabee 39%
Mitt Romney 23%
Rudy Giuliani 8%
Fred Thompson 8%
John McCain 6%
Ron Paul 5%
Tom Tancredo 3%
Duncan Hunter 1%
Those are poll numbers, not an organization.
I wasn't talking about organization there. You can't just SHOW organization with a little blog or wikipedia link like yours. It's intangible.
Yeah me. Not every single political news media who always credits romney's organization as his biggest strenght.
I wasn't talking about organization there. You can't just SHOW organization with a little blog or wikipedia link like yours. It's intangible.
Because you are talking out of your ass.
Yeah me. Not every single political news media who always credits romney's organization as his biggest strenght.
You love being obtuse don't you?
Romney's "organization" discusses his large amount of troops on the ground, his media stranglehold in terms of ads, and his caucus leaders among other things. His campaign has a lot of money and uses it very wisely to expand the base. This is why he can still win Iowa despite being down by so many points. Huckabee doesn't have the organization or serious caucus goers who are going to walk in that room, stay, and declare they're voting for Huckabee no matter what.
You love being obtuse don't you?
Romney's "organization" discusses his large amount of troops on the ground, his media stranglehold in terms of ads, and his caucus leaders among other things. His campaign has a lot of money and uses it very wisely to expand the base. This is why he can still win Iowa despite being down by so many points. Huckabee doesn't have the organization or serious caucus goers who are going to walk in that room, stay, and declare they're voting for Huckabee no matter what.
This was all I was looking for.
Do you have any reading info about this by any chance?
Look it up yourself. Romney has the best organization in Iowa due to his financial advantages. Edwards and Hillary have the best organization on the dem side; this is why despite having good poll numbers, Obama might be fucked in Iowa
Look it up yourself. Romney has the best organization in Iowa due to his financial advantages. Edwards and Hillary have the best organization on the dem side; this is why despite having good poll numbers, Obama might be fucked in Iowa
I was just curious if you had read anything about it. It sounds like what you are saying is Romney has the most money which means the best organizing, which i disagree.
Look it up yourself. Romney has the best organization in Iowa due to his financial advantages. Edwards and Hillary have the best organization on the dem side; this is why despite having good poll numbers, Obama might be fucked in Iowa
I was just curious if you had read anything about it. It sounds like what you are saying is Romney has the most money which means the best organizing, which i disagree.
paid professionals >>>> enthusiastic net denizens
It is very hard to describe how Iowa caucus's work. It's VERY intimidating.
It is legal (and it is very much advised and pushed by the candidates) to intimidate voters and pressure voters while caucusing.
There could be a large group of Romney fans standing in the caucus building and they will be YELLING and bullying a small group of *any candidate here* supporters till they fall into peer pressure and switch sides. It's a crazy system.
Its a mad house of people yelling and shouting while running around various corners of a room.
would these ones be the ones who think the civil rights bill was unconstitutional?It is very hard to describe how Iowa caucus's work. It's VERY intimidating.
It is legal (and it is very much advised and pushed by the candidates) to intimidate voters and pressure voters while caucusing.
There could be a large group of Romney fans standing in the caucus building and they will be YELLING and bullying a small group of *any candidate here* supporters till they fall into peer pressure and switch sides. It's a crazy system.
Its a mad house of people yelling and shouting while running around various corners of a room.
Yea I saw a video of it. Pretty cool. But, I do know one group of caucus goers that will not be intimidated.
:lol :lol :lolits the most read conservative magazine in the country, its huge.
Conservative magazine...
Romney isn't conservative though...yeah ok, whatever.
On December 7, 2007 across the country, Democrat, Republican and Open Caucus groups formed independently and Caucused on National Caucus Day. The First National Presidential Caucus is now history and the results are in.
Barack Obama wins over Democrat voters generating 40% of Democrat Caucus voter preferences. Obama was followed by a three-way tie for second, with John Edwards, Bill Richardson and "Undecided" each generating 20% of Democratic Caucus preferences.
That was created over the internet.
As everyone knows the internet has no impact on elections. Candidates who have strong internet bases always fail. Which is why many democrats are not getting their hopes up over Obama.
That was created over the internet.
As everyone knows the internet has no impact on elections. Candidates who have strong internet bases always fail. Which is why many democrats are not getting their hopes up over Obama.
Candidates such as? Dean?
That's the only other candidate with a strong internet base.
Well, we're less than a month away from the beginning of the end for your guy. So that'll be two.
Well, we're less than a month away from the beginning of the end for your guy. So that'll be two.
I dont think so.
Yes, well everyone else here will tell you that you're a fucking idiot for thinking that, and in less than a month the confirmation will begin to roll in.
How the hell is Romney even in first place on his side? The dude is fucking nuts. ::)
Why would we need to be experts to see the obvious? And anyway, what do most actual politcal experts think? They certainly don't side with you.
Yes, well everyone else here will tell you that you're a fucking idiot for thinking that, and in less than a month the confirmation will begin to roll in.
I didnt realize everyone here is an expert.
I really think you are all going to be surprised by the amount of grassroots support for Paul.
I really think you are all going to be surprised by the amount of grassroots support for Paul.
And we think you're going to be surprised by what that support amounts to.
Same thing that happens to deans. They fall apart. Most will end up voting Hillary/Obama (whoever wins the dem nomination) I'd suspect.
Wait? You think Ron Paul supporters will vote for Hillary? :lol
Dean had far far far more supporters than Paul. Dean actually won polls.Same thing that happens to deans. They fall apart. Most will end up voting Hillary/Obama (whoever wins the dem nomination) I'd suspect.
Do you think the Dean people were just as dedicated and passionate as Ron Paul supporters?
a lot of Paul's support comes from people who want to end the war so it's not unreasonable to assume they'd vote for someone who doesn't want to escalate the war at the least.
a lot of Paul's support comes from people who want to end the war so it's not unreasonable to assume they'd vote for someone who doesn't want to escalate the war at the least.
What are you basing this on?
You're right, I'm sorry. It's far more reasonable to assume that most of his support comes from people who hate the civil rights act and love the gold standard. My mistake. ::)
Think it through for a minute. Paul supporters make a big deal out of freaking out over civil liberties being curtailed in support of "the war on terror", want to get out of Iraq and generally don't like a warmongering foreign policy. Well Jesus, that doesn't sound like Romney, Rudy or Huckabee. Sounds more like Hillary.
Think it through for a minute. Paul supporters make a big deal out of freaking out over civil liberties being curtailed in support of "the war on terror", want to get out of Iraq and generally don't like a warmongering foreign policy. Well Jesus, that doesn't sound like Romney, Rudy or Huckabee. Sounds more like Hillary.
You're right, I'm sorry. It's far more reasonable to assume that most of his support comes from people who hate the civil rights act and love the gold standard. My mistake. ::)
Think it through for a minute. Paul supporters make a big deal out of freaking out over civil liberties being curtailed in support of "the war on terror", want to get out of Iraq and generally don't like a warmongering foreign policy. Well Jesus, that doesn't sound like Romney, Rudy or Huckabee. Sounds more like Hillary.
I have been to ron paul meetups here and I can say that without a doubt I have not met one person that will vote for the dem nom. Maybe It's just because I live in Texas, or maybe because I actually know what Im talking about instead of pulling diarrhea out of my ass.
that sounds like a sex position.How the hell is Romney even in first place on his side? The dude is fucking nuts. ::):lol "I want to double Guantanamo" :'(
Key finding: "While 97% of likely Democratic Primary voters were aware that Oprah Winfrey had endorsed Obama, just 7% said the endorsement would make them support Obama, while 88 percent said it would not. When the same voters were asked whose endorsement was worth more, 56 percent said Bill Clinton’s, while 19% said Winfrey’s."
That may be true, but Granholm is toast as is KilpatrickShe is, she'll never run for Senator now. But the point was in 2006 voters blamed the national government for MI's woes, not the state government. Americans tend to think and focus on national government when they think of whats wrong and what needs to be fixed. FoC's texas mindset deludes him into thinking this is not so.
DEMS HOLD FIRE ON HUCKABEE; SEE 'EASY KILL' IN GENERAL ELECTIONhttp://www.drudgereport.com/flashhu.htm
Tue Dec 11 2007 10:27:53 ET
**Exclusive**
Democrat party officials are avoiding any and all criticism of Republican presidential contender Mike Huckabee, insiders reveal.
The Democratic National Committee has told staffers to hold all fire, until he secures the party's nomination.
The directive has come down from the highest levels within the party, according to a top source.
Within the DNC, Huckabee is known as the "glass jaw -- and they're just waiting to break it."
In the last three weeks since Huckabee's surge kicked in, the DNC hasn't released a single press release criticizing his rising candidacy.
The last DNC press release critical of Huckabee appeared back on March 2nd.
[DNC Press Release Attack Summary:
Governor Mitt Romney (R-MA) – 37% (99 press releases)
Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R-NY) – 28% (74)
Senator John McCain (R-AZ) – 24% (64)
Senator Fred Thompson (R-TN) – 8% (20)
Governor Mike Huckabee – 2% (4)]
In fact, as the story broke over the weekend that Huckabee said he wanted to isolate AIDS patients back in 1992, the DNC ignored the opportunity to slam the candidate from the left.
"He'll easily be their McGovern, an easy kill," mocked one senior Democrat operative Tuesday morning from Washington.
"His letting out murderers because they shout 'Jesus', his wanting to put 300,000 AIDS patients and Magic Johnson into isolation, ain't even scratching the surface of what we've got on him."
The discipline the Democrats have shown in not engaging Huckabee has earned the praise of one former Republican Party official:
"The Democrats are doing a much better job restraining themselves than the GOP did in 2003 when Howard Dean looked like he was on the brink of winning the nomination."
A close friend to Huckabee explains: "Look, Mike is Hillary Clinton's worst nightmare. They should be squirming."
Developing...
He'd beat HillaryBased on what?
Hillary is one of the most hated figures in American politics. She's not winning anything. If she gets the nomination and faces Rudy, Romney, or Huckabee, she losesSounds like Bush in 2004. Why does she beat everyone (except McCain lol) in head to head matchups then?
Winners:
Mike Huckabee: Nothing happened to slow his momentum, and plenty happened to suggest that it will continue.
Ron Paul: Loved the focus on questions of national debt, the Constitution and an overreaching federal government.
In neutral:
Mitt Romney: Missed chances to take on Huckabee, and Iowa voters will never get the one-on-one exchange that could have determined the caucus' outcome. Not a bad afternoon, but Romney could have used something dramatic to regain his footing.
John McCain: A nonfactor on the stage, which probably doesn't matter, because he's a nonfactor in the caucuses. But his fans could be reassured by another steady performance.
Losers:
Fred Thompson: Provided a highlight of the ho-hum debate by slapping down the debate moderator, refusing to raise his hand or answer a yes-or-no question. Guess he can kiss that Des Moines Register endorsement goodbye ...
Rudy Giuliani: Not an awful afternoon, but he provided some unintended comic relief. "I can't think of a public figure who's been more transparent."
Alan Keyes: Seriously, why was he on the stage?
Democrats: "Sen. Hillary Clinton still has a huge national lead for the Democratic presidential nomination, but it is deceptive. Sen. Barack Obama has not only moved ahead of her in the opening Iowa caucuses but has pulled even in the subsequent primaries in New Hampshire and South Carolina. The panic felt by the Clinton camp explains the attacks on Obama, which so far have proved counterproductive. Democratic insiders who not long ago viewed Clinton's nomination as inevitable now see it as only a slightly better than even bet."
Republicans: "The rise of former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee makes the outcome of the Republican presidential nomination totally unpredictable. Huckabee is so out of phase with the conservative mainstream (and even with the evangelical movement) that it is still hard to see how he can be nominated. But if he defeats former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney in Iowa, the outlook becomes blurred. In Republican ranks, the contest is seen as a battle between Romney and former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani."
did you watch it? Paul getting booed was hilarious.
did you watch it? Paul getting booed was hilarious.
You like the Iraq war?
I like it because it breaks down your belief that he will win. Republicans dont want an anti-war candidate and wont nominate one. It would be like the democratic party nominating Sean Hannity.
So you like seeing Paul Booed when he says we need to rethink our foreign policy?
But I dont agree with Paul's policy on Iraq...? I am more similar to Obama's and Hillary's.
"Clinton campaign insiders are increasingly questioning the cautious, poll-driven approach taken
by Mark Penn, Sen. Hillary Clinton's top political aide," Newday reports. With Clinton's lead fading in most early state and national polls, "dissatisfaction is growing with Penn, who some say has mistakenly run Clinton as a de facto incumbent."
Said on insider: "There are two people who have come up with this strategy -- one Hillary Clinton and one Mark Penn. Mark wanted to run her, basically, for re-election, and we are seeing what happened."
"Clinton's aides insist that no shake-up is imminent and that Penn still has her ear. But they concede Bill Clinton has taken a more active behind-the-scenes role as her campaign flags."
The issue: Many aides want Clinton to go on the offensive but Penn thinks attacks will only drive up Clinton's already high negatives.
Cheebs who is your dream ticket?Dream? Obama-Biden.
Richardson is a weirdo.
Interesting behind the scenes info of Hillary:Quote"Clinton campaign insiders are increasingly questioning the cautious, poll-driven approach taken
by Mark Penn, Sen. Hillary Clinton's top political aide," Newday reports. With Clinton's lead fading in most early state and national polls, "dissatisfaction is growing with Penn, who some say has mistakenly run Clinton as a de facto incumbent."
Said on insider: "There are two people who have come up with this strategy -- one Hillary Clinton and one Mark Penn. Mark wanted to run her, basically, for re-election, and we are seeing what happened."
"Clinton's aides insist that no shake-up is imminent and that Penn still has her ear. But they concede Bill Clinton has taken a more active behind-the-scenes role as her campaign flags."
The issue: Many aides want Clinton to go on the offensive but Penn thinks attacks will only drive up Clinton's already high negatives.
I also don't like his position on guns. Democrats who are cozy with the NRA (or any candidate at all) is something that isn't a good thing.
We can restrict some weapons. No one needs a machine gun.I also don't like his position on guns. Democrats who are cozy with the NRA (or any candidate at all) is something that isn't a good thing.
Why? It's the second amendment. You dont like politicians supporting the bill of rights?
We can restrict some weapons. No one needs a machine gun.I also don't like his position on guns. Democrats who are cozy with the NRA (or any candidate at all) is something that isn't a good thing.
Why? It's the second amendment. You dont like politicians supporting the bill of rights?
2nd amendment isnt about hunting.it's outdated and no longer applies to our day to day life but because of the NRA we can't alter it. We have no need for a militia. People do not need AK-47's for any reason.
I think the potential harm of wackos with them outway the potential entertainment value.
free speech doesn't have the potential of a drunk southern hick to accidently murder someone with a dangerous weapon.I think the potential harm of wackos with them outway the potential entertainment value.
Free speech has the potential to radicalize people. Should we ban free speech?
free speech doesn't have the potential of a drunk southern hick to accidently murder someone with a dangerous weapon.
The pen is mightier than the sword.I choked on my cracker.
I can agree with this.The pen is mightier than the sword.I choked on my cracker.
I love guns and I agree with Prole's idea. Include the government in it. Tax that shit and make a gun DMV or some shit. FUCK libertarianism. You need special training if you're using an automatic or semi-automatic weapon. Also make them illegal to buy or sell privately at gun shows (so you can do background checks).
stuff that the govt. is struggling to come up with ways to pay for, like health care.
why are cigarettes taxes going towards paying for children's health care right now? It's not unprecedented.stuff that the govt. is struggling to come up with ways to pay for, like health care.
Why would gun taxes go towards healthcare? that doesnt make any sense.
why are cigarettes taxes going towards paying for children's health care right now? It's not unprecedented.
And its a tactic widely supported by the public. cig taxes for kids health care was overwhelmingly approved of by public opinion.
FoC, ow would you go about paying for universal health care then if it was passed by congress and signed by a president and we needed to find a way to pay for it and they asked you?
No. Court Day is an event in the city of Mt. Sterling, KY. It is NOT a gun show, but just a festival (sort-of).oh I see. I know that it's legal even in pawn shops to buy semi-auto AK's but do they sell fully automatics? Are these private sellers?
Depends upon the gun show I guess.
I wonder why basically every other nation of comparable wealth has it then.FoC, ow would you go about paying for universal health care then if it was passed by congress and signed by a president and we needed to find a way to pay for it and they asked you?
you dont, because its the worst fucking idea ever.
I wonder why basically every other nation of comparable wealth has it then.
It's also why I dont understand income Tax. Why does our income need to be taxed? I dont understand it.because the govt. needs money. its why ANYTHING is taxed. Govt needs money to pay for programs.
:lolIt's also why I dont understand income Tax. Why does our income need to be taxed? I dont understand it.because the govt. needs money. its why ANYTHING is taxed. Govt needs money to pay for programs.
Heres why we need taxes. The public wants govt. programs. They ask, beg, and demand for them from univeral health care to you name it. Govt has to pay for what the public demands.:lolIt's also why I dont understand income Tax. Why does our income need to be taxed? I dont understand it.because the govt. needs money. its why ANYTHING is taxed. Govt needs money to pay for programs.
Think about what you just said.
I personally think individuals have a better understanding of how to manage their income.
Things public universities. good thing FoC went to survival school in Montana, which is paid for entirely in gold certificates and the sweat of the students.
Heres why we need taxes. The public wants govt. programs. They ask, beg, and demand for them from univeral health care to you name it. Govt has to pay for what the public demands.
but they don't have a reason to charge the least amount of money to provide health care, schooling, etc.
If the public wants it, and they vote for a candidate who says they will then yes. Its how our democracy works.
Heres why we need taxes. The public wants govt. programs. They ask, beg, and demand for them from univeral health care to you name it. Govt has to pay for what the public demands.
If the public demands we print a million dollars for everyone should we do that?
http://www.utexas.edu/news/2003/08/13/nr_liberalarts/ (http://www.utexas.edu/news/2003/08/13/nr_liberalarts/)
Weird.
The university receives income from an endowment known as the Permanent University Fund (PUF), with $11.6 billion (fourth-largest in the United States) in assets as of November 2005,[44] of which 30 percent is dedicated to the university.
Privately funded endowments contribute over $2 billion to the University's total endowment value.
If the public wants it, and they vote for a candidate who says they will then yes. Its how our democracy works.
They want something, they find a candidate who will give it to them, and elect them.
republic
there is no way that a corporation designed to generate profit (make rich people richer in quite a few cases) is going to be less expensive for things like health care and schooling compared to a government and overspending on a job.but they don't have a reason to charge the least amount of money to provide health care, schooling, etc.Who?
there is no way that a corporation designed to generate profit (make rich people richer in quite a few cases) is going to be less expensive of an alternative for things like health care and schooling compared to a government and overspending on a job.
can you find an example of a government job that a corporation could and would do more cheaply? you constantly go on about government being too much in our lives but do you think the employer of the people who run society matters to most people?
It's a democratic republic. Univ healthcare is possible.
If by private seller you mean persons willing to sell to anybody who is white and looks over the age of 17, then yes. No paperwork. Full automatics.No. Court Day is an event in the city of Mt. Sterling, KY. It is NOT a gun show, but just a festival (sort-of).oh I see. I know that it's legal even in pawn shops to buy semi-auto AK's but do they sell fully automatics? Are these private sellers?
Depends upon the gun show I guess.
whats your thoughts on the bush tax cuts FoC, you know those tax cuts for the wealthy.
"Do you think it is the responsibility of the federal government to make sure all Americans have health care coverage, or is that not the responsibility of the federal government?"
Is - 69%
Is Not - 28%
there is no way that a corporation designed to generate profit (make rich people richer in quite a few cases) is going to be less expensive for things
FoC what does this tell you about Americans views on the govt?
Quote"Do you think it is the responsibility of the federal government to make sure all Americans have health care coverage, or is that not the responsibility of the federal government?"
Is - 69%
Is Not - 28%
Government subsidies only increase the cost of anything. If we have government run healthcare with no competition, what will be their incentive to lower costs? Their will be none. You basically just said that if we take out competition from the market then prices will be low for some unknown reason.how exactly do insurance company and hospital competition encourage lower prices? could you explain to me what sorts of things are happening?
If by private seller you mean persons willing to sell to anybody who is white and looks over the age of 17, then yes. No paperwork. Full automatics.wow that's fucked up. so what happens if you get arrested and you have one of those guns? don't you have to be registered to that gun or does the seller at court day also give you the gun's registration?
Wow, 88 million in one year alone from the federal government.
how exactly do insurance company and hospital competition encourage lower prices? could you explain to me what sorts of things are happening?
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :roflGovernment subsidies only increase the cost of anything. If we have government run healthcare with no competition, what will be their incentive to lower costs? Their will be none. You basically just said that if we take out competition from the market then prices will be low for some unknown reason.how exactly do insurance company and hospital competition encourage lower prices? could you explain to me what sorts of things are happening?If by private seller you mean persons willing to sell to anybody who is white and looks over the age of 17, then yes. No paperwork. Full automatics.wow that's fucked up. so what happens if you get arrested and you have one of those guns? don't you have to be registered to that gun or does the seller at court day also give you the gun's registration?
Wow, 88 million in one year alone from the federal government.
What percent of 13 BILLIOn is 88 million?
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :roflWow, 88 million in one year alone from the federal government.
What percent of 13 BILLIOn is 88 million? Im sure UT would get by just fine without any federal money.
What about poor people who can't afford any private health care?
dont they deserve health care?What about poor people who can't afford any private health care?
What about them?
Perhaps, except for the fact that it doesn't get by with private funding alone. Can I start demading my tax dollars back now?
dont they deserve health care?
If we ended medicaid and medicare tomorrow, eventually healtcare insurers would pop up that would cater towards them. Would it be as good as the health insurance for the CEO of wal-mart? No. But the market would fill the void.businesses would not cater to them, they have NO MONEY.
businesses would not cater to them, they have NO MONEY.
i'd like my tax dollars back plz. I went to a small privately funded school because I am against the tyranny of "WE" and didn't want the sweat of the workers to pay for my education.
how the fuck does that at all apply to dirt poor people being unable to buy health care?businesses would not cater to them, they have NO MONEY.
Then why do I keep seeing commercials for Boost mobile, 30' rims and other shit people really cant afford.
how the fuck does that at all apply to dirt poor people being unable to buy health care?
WHat about the people who can't afford it purely because they are just that plain poor not cause they waste money?
how the fuck does that at all apply to dirt poor people being unable to buy health care?
Priorities. Nobody's priorities are straight in this country. We all feel like we are entitled to spend and consume more than we really can, and then blame the government when we cannot afford certain necessities.
WHat about the people who can't afford it purely because they are just that plain poor not cause they waste money?
Of course I want it back. I din't use it while a bunch of social parasites who are too lazy to make it themselves leeched off the system by using government subsidies to complete educations at public universities.i'd like my tax dollars back plz. I went to a small privately funded school because I am against the tyranny of "WE" and didn't want the sweat of the workers to pay for my education.
If you went to a private school then you should want your tax dollars that went to public universities back. You paid for something you didnt use.
Because they are poor. Thats it. Like a single mom with many kids working a min. wage job...etc
WHat about the people who can't afford it purely because they are just that plain poor not cause they waste money?
Why cant they afford it?
Because they are poor. Thats it. Like a single mom with many kids working a min. wage job...etc
You have no compassion at all.
Because they are poor. Thats it. Like a single mom with many kids working a min. wage job...etc
Maybe she should shouldn't have multiple kids while working minimum wage. Why should society be punished for dirt poor people, that cant make more than minimum wage, having kids.
You have no compassion at all.
THIS is why Huckabee is surging. Compassionate Conservatism.
If we ended medicaid and medicare tomorrow, eventually healtcare insurers would pop up that would cater towards them. Would it be as good as the health insurance for the CEO of wal-mart? No. But the market would fill the void.
But its our DUTY to help those who are in dire near to have the necessities of life.
When we build gated communities we are saying the market will not correct itself. When we say "too bad they're poor" we are saying the market will not correct itself. When we say it is not our duty to help then the market will not correct itself.???
You are displaying the very mentality that counters your whole economic hope.
Competition. If everyone switched from geico because it sucked, they would have an incentive to decrease their price or incresse their services. If their is a monopoly then no such competition exists.right, but how would you make them provide health care for the homeless or poor? it's distinguished mentally-challenged to think free clinics could provide life-saving services.
If by private seller you mean persons willing to sell to anybody who is white and looks over the age of 17, then yes. No paperwork. Full automatics.wow that's fucked up. so what happens if you get arrested and you have one of those guns? don't you have to be registered to that gun or does the seller at court day also give you the gun's registration?
right, but how would you make them provide health care for the homeless or poor? it's distinguished mentally-challenged to think free clinics could provide life-saving services.
I still think Alan Keyes has a chance.Only slightly less than Paul.
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I still think Alan Keyes has a chance.Only slightly less than Paul.
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http://huckabeefacts.com/ (http://huckabeefacts.com/)http://www.ronpaulfacts.com/ (http://www.ronpaulfacts.com/)
The latest Rasmussen Reports poll of the Iowa Democratic Caucus finds that Hillary Clinton is supported by 29% of Likely Caucus Participants. That’s up two points from two weeks ago and identical to her level of support a month ago.Her lead is back outside the margin of error in Iowa
Hillary - 44
Obama - 40
I worry about the ability of his young college student supporters to get to Iowa to caucus before their dorms are open, not to mention their lack of caucusing experience (which killed Dean in 2004). All else being equal (including the poll numbers), this might be enough to give Iowa to Hillary.
Landline issue is a myth. Because college students never show up even if they say they will so them not getting polled never impacts the outcome. In primary elections the youth vote is HORRIBLE, it makes the general election outcome of youth vote look amazing by comparison. That will not change, young people don't care about politics enough.
Polls right before the caucus's tend to predict correctly as well. Polls predicted Kerry's win.
Obama gets overwhelming the college support compared to any candidate on both sides, that is something he needs to expand.
It wasn't. That was DailyKos's view. Dean fell in the polls in December before the primary and Kerry rose.Landline issue is a myth. Because college students never show up even if they say they will so them not getting polled never impacts the outcome. In primary elections the youth vote is HORRIBLE, it makes the general election outcome of youth vote look amazing by comparison. That will not change, young people don't care about politics enough.
Polls right before the caucus's tend to predict correctly as well. Polls predicted Kerry's win.
Obama gets overwhelming the college support compared to any candidate on both sides, that is something he needs to expand.
How did Dean poll so high if it was just a bunch of college kids?
He also happened to inspire a lot of people, whether they were old enough to vote or not. I'm not sure Obama does that...I am just saying that JFK was far from the outsider that Obama was. The kennedy's went hand and hand with insider dem' politics, before JFK was ever president.
Do you agree with me and Kos about Obama losing Iowa due to young voters?Obama will lose Iowa for multiple reasons. That is just one. Lack of a strong organization...etc as well. I will go as far as to say he'll get third. Edwards organization and background with the state from being there the longest will get him #2.
Edwards isnt winning anything.Iowa is more about organization tha actually voters and Edwards organization is strong in Iowa.
Edwards isnt winning anything.Iowa is more about organization tha actually voters and Edwards organization is strong in Iowa.
I never said he'd win. But you have a lot of room to talk Edwards is far more viable than Paul.Edwards isnt winning anything.Iowa is more about organization tha actually voters and Edwards organization is strong in Iowa.
Edwards isnt winning anything.
Edwards isnt winning anything.Iowa is more about organization tha actually voters and Edwards organization is strong in Iowa.
Edwards isnt winning anything.
Obama has a shot in Iowa also, whatever kind of college crap Gay boy says.He does have a shot but I dont think he'll win, nor do a lot of people. Hillary is still the general consensus.
Obama has a shot in Iowa also, whatever kind of college crap Gay boy says.
yeah. Caucus's are not for the faint at heart. PD you think you could handle the pressure of people screaming at you and demanding your vote to your face and then having to openly declare your choice while they stare at you are in a loud and crowded room>?
you'd vote bidenyeah. Caucus's are not for the faint at heart. PD you think you could handle the pressure of people screaming at you and demanding your vote to your face and then having to openly declare your choice while they stare at you are in a loud and crowded room>?
Of course, I know what I believe in. But most college kids who fall for the "hope" policy don't lol
If I lived in Iowa I'd vote for Obamasame
PD you think you could handle the pressure of people screaming at you and demanding your vote to your face and then having to openly declare your choice while they stare at you are in a loud and crowded room>?
where do I find information on shouting at people to vote for you?
Who can beat Obama and Oprah?
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2007/12/13/what-celeb-candidate-team-can-beat-oprah-and-obama/ (http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2007/12/13/what-celeb-candidate-team-can-beat-oprah-and-obama/)
http://www.ronpaularchives.com/index.php?option=com_seyret&Itemid=33&task=videodirectlink&id=129 (http://www.ronpaularchives.com/index.php?option=com_seyret&Itemid=33&task=videodirectlink&id=129)you are not allowed to put that stuff in this thread. Ron Paul is only allowed to discussed in terms of republican debate performances, polls, or election outcomes. Stupid videos about his blimp got in your shitheap thread.
This is the kind of stuff that wins elections, people. Not frank luntz polling or imaginary machinery.
A bomb just dropped in the Presidential race. Rudy Giuliani was going to win the nomination by placing or showing in, but not winning, a bunch of early primary states. And then he was going to win in Florida. But a new Rasmussen poll, if verified with more polling, would explode that theory:
Rasmussen GOP Florida Primary
* Mike Huckabee 27% (9%)
* Mitt Romney 23% (19%)
* Rudy Giuliani 19% (27%)
* Fred Thompson 9% (16%)
* John McCain 6% (10%)
* Ron Paul 4% (5%)
* Some other candidate 2% (2%)
The Bush administration's arrogant bunker mentality has been counterproductive at home and abroad.
Huckabee gave a speech this weekend trashing Bush's foreign policy. Not a smart move for someone trying to win the republican primary.
they are on foreign policy. the front runners embrace the Iraq War.Huckabee gave a speech this weekend trashing Bush's foreign policy. Not a smart move for someone trying to win the republican primary.
Incorrect again Gay Boy. None of the republicans are trying to stand close to Bush.
Romney said former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, who has passed him in many polls in the GOP presidential race, should apologize for his statement in Foreign Affairs magazine that the Bush administration has an “arrogant bunker mentality.”^
“That’s an insult to the president, and Mike Huckabee should apologize to the president,” Romney said.
Two boy scout counselors, 17 year old Clayton Frady and 18 year old David litickabee, the son of Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, have admitted to catching a stray dog during their summer session at Camp Pioneer in Hatfield, AR, and hanging the dog by his neck, slitting his throat and stoning him to death.
Camp officials, who did not report the crime to law enforcement officials, have admitted that the act did occur and have fired the boys from their positions. However, no charges have been filed against the young men.
Holy crap..
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/12/16/74357/414/311/422763QuoteTwo boy scout counselors, 17 year old Clayton Frady and 18 year old David litickabee, the son of Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, have admitted to catching a stray dog during their summer session at Camp Pioneer in Hatfield, AR, and hanging the dog by his neck, slitting his throat and stoning him to death.
Camp officials, who did not report the crime to law enforcement officials, have admitted that the act did occur and have fired the boys from their positions. However, no charges have been filed against the young men.
even though it was his sons that did it I don't think Huckabee is going to come back from this. especially with how much trouble Micheal Vick got into.
I was knocking on doors today, and one woman (who is still undecided between Edwards, Clinton and Obama) volunteered that Huckabee is the only Republican she likes. She saw him on some tv show and thought, I really like this guy.
I worry about his ability to attract independents, especially since we cannot hang the Bush policy agenda around his neck. He does not come across as scary.
That story is VERY VERY VERY old. I heard about it ages ago. It gained no media traction at all.
Edit: ugh. Did you even read the date of the article?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,268762,00.html
Thursday, April 26, 2007
I told you it was old and got no media traction.
Al Gore's son is just as much a fuckup.how?
Des Moines Register endorses Clinton, McCain (http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071215/NEWS/71215016)This was a surprise for Hillary. And if anyone remembers in '04 Edwards got a big boost from the De Moines endorsement.
Clinton endorsement (http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071215/NEWS/71215018)
McCain endorsement (http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071215/NEWS/71215017)
..that's not comparable to that.
On Sunday, former White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, who is remaining neutral in the GOP primary race, called Huckabee’s Foreign Affairs comments “unwarranted and unwise.”
“There is much to like about Mike Huckabee. But he will serve Republican primary voters, and our nation, better if he focused his criticisms on the Democrats who will run against our eventual nominee and not on the President who has kept us safe,” said Fleischer.
Former President Bill Clinton said Monday that the first thing his wife Hillary will do when she reaches the White House is dispatch him and his predecessor, President George H.W. Bush, on an around-the-world mission to repair the damage done to America's reputation by the current president — Bush's son, George W. Bush.
"Well, the first thing she intends to do, because you can do this without passing a bill, the first thing she intends to do is to send me and former President Bush and a number of other people around the world to tell them that America is open for business and cooperation again," Clinton said in response to a question from a supporter about what his wife's "number one priority" would be as president.
I just found out that one of huckabee's sons accidentally tried carrying a loaded handgun past airport security last year...
this is going to be worse than the bush twins.
None of us are republicans fool.I just found out that one of huckabee's sons accidentally tried carrying a loaded handgun past airport security last year...
this is going to be worse than the bush twins.
Vote for Ron Paul in the primaries!
None of us are republicans fool.I just found out that one of huckabee's sons accidentally tried carrying a loaded handgun past airport security last year...
this is going to be worse than the bush twins.
Vote for Ron Paul in the primaries!
I'm a registered democrat. hopefully I'm not too late for turning in my paperwork to be an election officer. I will try to dissuade as many people as I can from voting for ron paul (really doesn't matter because california is a blue state because we aren't ass backwards).
Paul came in third in his own state's straw poll, which tells us all we need to know
well fuck me, I'm not voting for him. and Ahnuld has a funny tummy, that has to count for something.
People like freedom. what can I say?
no-one's disputing that. everyone wants to be granted the ability to be stupid at the expense of others and the broader community.
People in Utah enjoy the freedom to marry their cousins and run meth labs in their basement.
no-one's disputing that. everyone wants to be granted the ability to be stupid at the expense of others and the broader community.
Name one thing we want to do at the expense of others?
no-one's disputing that. everyone wants to be granted the ability to be stupid at the expense of others and the broader community.
Name one thing we want to do at the expense of others?
move to the gold standard?
And how would that affect you?ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
no-one's disputing that. everyone wants to be granted the ability to be stupid at the expense of others and the broader community.
Name one thing we want to do at the expense of others?
move to the gold standard?
And how would that affect you?
oil will be the currency.
It sure as fuck won't be gold.
because gold has no value outside of Charles Dickens' Christmas parables
after global warming. which I believe you denied.
because gold has no value outside of Charles Dickens' Christmas parables
its about 2 weeks to Iowa and NH FoC. Are you PUMPED?
because gold has no value outside of Charles Dickens' Christmas parables
Oh really? It's selling over $800 an ounce. Sounds like value to me.
nicca pleaseStraw polls have proven wildly inaccurate, polls have proved extremely accurate.
Out of curiosity, who was winning straw polls in 2003 and 1999?At this point (2 weeks pre-Iowa) Kerry was surging in polls. Ala whats going on with Huckabee, just for Dems.
Thats not what I asked. Read my post.Dems dont do straw polls so there were none in 2003. I dont know about 99, but it wouldn't be accurate to compare to 2008 since it wasn't a close primary at all. Bush had gigantic leads on McCain the entire campaign.
Kerry - 24
Dean - 19
Edwards - 17
please explain to me again how you use the value of gold under a debt-based currency to justify using gold to replace that debt-based currency
because that's a neat trick
I wonder if Raoul will ever rejoin the job based community after his upcoming assured massive failure.
please explain to me again how you use the value of gold under a debt-based currency to justify using gold to replace that debt-based currency
I wonder if Raoul will ever rejoin the job based community after his upcoming assured massive failure.
Fixed
Quoteplease explain to me again how you use the value of gold under a debt-based currency to justify using gold to replace that debt-based currency
that won't ever happen outside of a total worldwide collapse of modern civilization and a return to basic bartering. maybe that is what foc wants anyway, given the propensity of libertarians to be intrigued by or involved with terrorist militia movements.
please explain to me again how you use the value of gold under a debt-based currency to justify using gold to replace that debt-based currency
because that's a neat trick
Im not sure I understand the question. Do you want me to explain why wt will have a commodity system in the future?
You're saying that paper money is worthless, but gold is valuable because it's worth $800 paper dollars. You can't have it both ways!
Wrong. It will happen when the dollar collapses.
You're saying that paper money is worthless, but gold is valuable because it's worth $800 paper dollars. You can't have it both ways!
I dont think I said that paper money has no value. Obviously anything wanted in the market has value.
People like freedom. what can I say?
Rush doesn’t think for himself. That’s not necessarily a slap because he’s not paid to be a thinker—he’s an entertainer. I can’t remember the last time that he has veered from the talking points from the DC/Manhattan chattering class.
Huck' is now "attacking" Rush.QuoteRush doesn’t think for himself. That’s not necessarily a slap because he’s not paid to be a thinker—he’s an entertainer. I can’t remember the last time that he has veered from the talking points from the DC/Manhattan chattering class.
Huckabee while an extremely evangelical christian and extremely conservative on moral issues seems to be enjoying trashing the republican party on everything not related to "moral values" lately.
Huckabee :bow
Huckabee :bow
get out, you are lower than any paulscum
This thread needs more Ron Paul and less fascism.you have your own thread for that.
“I’m not gay,” he continues. “I don’t hate gays. But I don’t want to live in an apartment full of them. They’ll bitch and cry and all. That doesn’t bother Giuliani. It doesn’t bother Giuliani to put a dress on to do Saturday Night Live. I don’t trust him. I don’t think he’s electable.”:lol
Now McCain's doing well in NH.
I know it's not going to happen, but this is probably going to be the best chance in my lifetime of seeing a brokered convention. I really, really, really want to see that happen, just once.
That is a dream of mine. 60 year men getting in fistfights :bow :bow :bow
Apparently the Democratic party made proportional representation mandatory, but the Republican primaries are a mix of winner-take-all and proportional. (http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/R-DSVE.phtml)
I think that means the best shot for a non-majority would be strong regional splits. Like Huckabee carries some states in the south and midwest, Romney grabs some rust belt states, McCain and Giuliani split the blue states, computer malfunction gives Texas to Thompson...
Eh, Texas is Huckabee country through and through.
Eh, Texas is Huckabee country through and through.
:lol :lol :lol Says the guy who has never been.
Uhh dude, Cheebs was born in Texas
And someone who claims Ron Paul will win it all understands politics I take it?
Why does a poll in texas have paul in 6th place with 5% then?And someone who claims Ron Paul will win it all understands politics I take it?
Yup
What do your Texan family members think about your sinful hairstyle?Everyone in my family in texas is liberal. At the family reunion this old like great-great uncle I never met who is a stereotypical southern farmer in overalls was talking about how he supports hillary to me.
Wat were his reasons for supporting hillary?Health Care was his main reason.
[youtube=425,350]VA4ZpxmORrY[/youtube]Wrong thread.
Listen to the inner city caller around 3:30 mins.
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice told reporters Friday that Mike Huckabee’s recent comments criticizing some aspects of Bush administration foreign policy were “ludicrous.”
“The idea that somehow this is a ‘go it alone’ policy is just simply ludicrous. And one would only have to be not observing the facts, let me say that, to say that this is not a ‘go it alone foreign policy,” said Rice.
In an article in the January/February issue of Foreign Affairs, released last week, the Republican presidential candidate characterized the Bush administration’s foreign policy as an “arrogant, bunker mentality.”
Many of Huckabee's GOP presidential rivals have attacked him for that description. Mitt Romney, who now trails Huckabee in the key early-voting state of Iowa, has kept up a steady stream of criticism over the Foreign Affairs piece – at a campaign event Wednesday, he again said the former Arkansas governor had made a "significant error in insulting the president."
President Bush himself declined to comment on Huckabee’s piece when asked about it during a press conference yesterday.
Dude seems rather tame when compared to the neo-conservative stupidity of Rudy/Bush, etc, and the hyper "tough guy" posturing of Romney.
Huckabee's Foreign Affairs piece was probably written by Richard Haass.
I don't think he set out to challenge the rest of the GOP field on foreign policy, so much as he was a tabula rasa and Haass got to him before anyone else (I think Huckabee still doesn't have any official foreign policy advisers). All I remember from him at the debates is a series of really vague statements about winning Iraq and fighting "Islamofascism".
Huckabee's Foreign Affairs piece was probably written by Richard Haass.
I don't think he set out to challenge the rest of the GOP field on foreign policy, so much as he was a tabula rasa and Haass got to him before anyone else (I think Huckabee still doesn't have any official foreign policy advisers). All I remember from him at the debates is a series of really vague statements about winning Iraq and fighting "Islamofascism".
"Are you about worn out by all the television commercials you've been seeing, mostly about politics? Well, I don't blame you," said GOP presidential candidate Mike Huckabee in the opening of his Christmas television greeting to Iowans.
"At this time of year, sometimes it's nice to pull aside from all of that and just remember that what really matters is the celebration of the birth of Christ and being with our family and friends."
A few decades ago, those descriptive Christmas words would be as benign as Santa making a list and checking it twice. Today, however, they are regarded as Christmas cultural and political sparring jargon.
Immediately upon release, political pundits began trying to punch holes in Mike's goodwill cheer, while the other presidential candidates purchased festive clothes and scurried to produce competing Christmas commercials.
Like a World Combat League fight, the Christmas ad war had begun.
When the Christmas culture war hits the presidential race
Of course, in today's political climate, no Christmas broadcast is a simple yuletide greeting. Even it is dissected for a malevolent motif and ornamental fluff.
Critics from the right and left started swinging at Mike, accusing him of sending subliminal messages in cross-shaped window panes and rallying the religious right by his call to focus on "what really matters." Complaints from religious intolerance to Christian jihad flew out from both camps.
Some regarded the publicized Christmas wish as an appeal to evangelicals and an indirect attack on Mitt Romney's Mormonism.
Others like rival Republican candidate Ron Paul labeled it with these extreme comments to Fox News, "It reminds me of what Sinclair Lewis once said. He says, 'when fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross.' Now I don't know whether that's a fair assessment or not, but you wonder about using a cross, like he is the only Christian or implying that subtly. So, I don't think I would ever use anything like that." (I think very few Americans would agree with Paul's summary as a "fair assessment" of Mike's heartfelt Christmas salutation.)
Huckabee's response to his critics was simply to explain that he referred to Jesus Christ in his unscripted Christmas commercial because, "considering the meaning of the holiday, 'I don't know what else to say about Christmas.'" Should he have spoken about Santa or reindeer?
Huckabee will lose the general to Hillary, no big problem. If he starts outpolling her then I'll worry.
Cause republicans love only one thing more than neocons, right wing christians.
A new American Research Group poll in Iowa shows Sen. Hillary Clinton expanding her lead in the last week.
Clinton now leads with 34%, followed by John Edwards at 20%, and Sen. Barack Obama at 19%.
there's an interesting article on the hillary haters
http://men.style.com/gq/features/landing?id=content_6249
APF is on page 4 or 5.
Since Raoul closed down the ron paul thread, I guess I'll post ron paul stuff in here for the next 24 hours.
Or you could, I don't know, NOT annoy on us baby jebus day.
Or you could, I don't know, NOT annoy on us baby jebus day.
You could put me on ignore.
So there's not a reality where your purpose in life is to post Ron Paul shit on a message board where no one cares and most of the people that interact with you are exceedingly hostile and abusive to you?
Since Raoul closed down the ron paul thread, I guess I'll post ron paul stuff in here for the next 24 hours.
(http://www.paulunteer.com/images/PaulOwnsMcCain.gif)Since Raoul closed down the ron paul thread, I guess I'll post ron paul stuff in here for the next 24 hours.
I don't think that's how it works
FoC you know this is a COMMUNITY right? Not a hellhole to spam Paul stuff. If there is no paul thread then you dont post paul stuff.
the purpose of locking the thread was to give us 24 hours off from Paulmageddon. it would be nice if you respected that. we can go back to your regularly scheduled insanity on Dec. 26.
except this thread was made specifically to discuss non ron paul related political events in the 2008 eleciton.the purpose of locking the thread was to give us 24 hours off from Paulmageddon. it would be nice if you respected that. we can go back to your regularly scheduled insanity on Dec. 26.
You could not enter an election thread. Since, you know, ron paul is running for president.
THis is not a plain election thread. It's a haven to NOT talk about ron paul.
that means you too. You aren't exempt from following what the discussion has been for the past 12 pages. This is less a ron paul thread as the outside link forum is. Go take the youtube videos and shit there in the mean time if you cant control yourself for one day. Jeeze.THis is not a plain election thread. It's a haven to NOT talk about ron paul.
Then dont don't discuss ron paul
that means you too. You aren't exempt from following what the discussion has been for the past 12 pages. This is less a ron paul thread as the outside link forum is. Go take the youtube videos and shit there in the mean time if you cant control yourself for one day. Jeeze.
Analysis/Opinion-Republican presidential candidate and Texas Congressman, Ron Paul, can win the presidency. Contrary to the pundits and media propaganda, Ron Paul is best positioned to win the GOP nomination.
Ron Paul has more money than his opponents and is just starting to gain momentum. As a result of massive popular support Paul’s donor base is huge and donors are not close to reaching contribution limits. Paul’s opponents are going broke and their donors are maxed out. Ron Paul may raise 20 million this quarter and chances are he’ll raise more the next quarter.
To get an idea of how strong Paul’s support is consider this. Ron Paul received donations from over 123,000 people this quarter. If one out of 100 voters donate to a presidential candidate that means Paul has the support of over 12 million primary voters. My guess is that less than 1 out of 100 voters donate in a primary.
Of Paul’s opponents, John McCain and Mike Huckabee are broke and don’t have the funds to compete on Super Tuesday. Both candidates appear to be media creations in this election and don’t have that much popular support. If it weren’t for undeserved free media they wouldn’t be on the radar screens.
Giuliani was forced to go with his big state strategy because he ran the risk of getting creamed in early primaries. He appears to be a lead balloon and runs the risk of losing some of those big states to Paul. Thompson just hasn’t taken off. There is a chance he could get revived in South Carolina but he may not make it that far.
Romney is self financing his campaign and can go the distance, but how much of his personal wealth is he willing to squander?
Recent commentaries and political talk have mentioned the possibility of a brokered convention. This is an early admission by pundits that Ron Paul can’t be stopped, and a hope that he won’t have 50% of the delegates allowing his opponents to broker a deal to deny him the nomination.
Paul is unique among GOP candidates because his support is national. He can compete in every state.
The primary calendar has been frontloaded which was deliberate to keep second tier candidates (candidates not bought and paid for) from having a shot at winning the nomination. It is doubtful that when planning the schedules anybody had a clue that Ron Paul would be one of the only candidate that could be competitive on February 5th
Iowa, Wyoming, New Hampshire, Michigan, Nevada, South Carolina, Florida, Maine are all up for grabs prior to Super Tuesday which is on February 5th. Given the low expectations Paul only needs to win one of these to show that he can win prior to Super Tuesday.
The Iowa caucus on January 3rd will be a tough start for Paul. He hasn’t spent that much time in Iowa and may not have the organization that Romney does to win the caucus. Placing in the top five is all that is needed there. A third place would be huge.
Two days later on January 5th is the Wyoming Caucus. This state is a neighbor of Utah and Romney may have a strong organization here as well. Paul may do well here though.
January 8th in New Hampshire is where the campaign really starts for Ron Paul. He doesn’t need to win it but he probably will. Buchanan won this state in 1996 running on similar campaign themes with 27% of the vote. Paul’s support is much broader.
Paul’s odds look good for Michigan on January 15th. The state is a foreclosure war zone and Paul’s blaming of the Federal Reserve for creating a housing crash may resonate well.
January 19th Nevada and South Carolina are up for elections. Paul should win Nevada and has an outside shot at South Carolina.
On January 29th Florida is up. This is the state where Giuliani has circled his wagons. If he’s still in the race it will be an uphill battle for him especially if Paul has momentum generated by a couple victories. There is evidence of Paul support in Florida on the ground just by observing bumper stickers and yard signs on residences but Giuliani also has some visible support.
Of course, if Paul wins New Hampshire the momentum generated from that victory is likely to steam roll his campaign through all of the above mentioned states setting him up for the knock out punch on Super Tuesday.
If Ron Paul doesn’t have the nomination sewed up on Super Tuesday, Paul’s delegate rich home state of Texas will be the final nail in the coffin come March.
The point is it is already too late to stop Paul. He’s going to win the Republican nomination.
As a general election candidate Ron Paul will win a 50 state landslide against any Democratic nominee.
Ron Paul’s opposition to the war in Iraq, and defense of the Bill of Rights, and Civil Liberties, may actually dig deeply into the Democratic vote and overwhelmingly attract independents to his campaign.
His support for secure borders as an integral part of national defense is also a very popular issue that transcends parties.
If Ron Paul is the GOP nominee it won’t matter if Bloomberg or anybody else runs as a third party candidate. Once people go to Paul’s website and review his issues and record they either reject Paul’s ideas or they are sold. Paul will not lose any supporters to another candidate once they are in his camp.
Unlike media propaganda, the ideals of peace, freedom, and prosperity, are very mainstream. To the aging baby boomer population now on fixed incomes, Ron Paul’s challenging of the Federal Reserve’s ‘Inflation Tax’ is most welcomed. To the rest of America feeling the double whammy of an ‘Inflation Tax’ and progressive federal income taxes, Paul’s calls to end the income tax are a cause for celebration.
In fact, Paul’s calls for reforming the monetary system, the income tax, foreign policy, and protecting the Constitution, are a lot more mainstream than pre-emptive nuclear war, no borders, and a police state are.
Those media generated polls are as valuable as the media propaganda that pushed the nation to war in Iraq. People should have as much faith in polls as they do the Easter Bunny and computerized voting. Ron Paul is going to win by a landslide
http://www.usadaily.com/article.cfm?articleID=207908
Ron Paul will win by a landslideQuoteAnalysis/Opinion-Republican presidential candidate and Texas Congressman, Ron Paul, can win the presidency. Contrary to the pundits and media propaganda, Ron Paul is best positioned to win the GOP nomination.
Ron Paul has more money than his opponents and is just starting to gain momentum. As a result of massive popular support Paul’s donor base is huge and donors are not close to reaching contribution limits. Paul’s opponents are going broke and their donors are maxed out. Ron Paul may raise 20 million this quarter and chances are he’ll raise more the next quarter.
To get an idea of how strong Paul’s support is consider this. Ron Paul received donations from over 123,000 people this quarter. If one out of 100 voters donate to a presidential candidate that means Paul has the support of over 12 million primary voters. My guess is that less than 1 out of 100 voters donate in a primary.
Of Paul’s opponents, John McCain and Mike Huckabee are broke and don’t have the funds to compete on Super Tuesday. Both candidates appear to be media creations in this election and don’t have that much popular support. If it weren’t for undeserved free media they wouldn’t be on the radar screens.
Giuliani was forced to go with his big state strategy because he ran the risk of getting creamed in early primaries. He appears to be a lead balloon and runs the risk of losing some of those big states to Paul. Thompson just hasn’t taken off. There is a chance he could get revived in South Carolina but he may not make it that far.
Romney is self financing his campaign and can go the distance, but how much of his personal wealth is he willing to squander?
Recent commentaries and political talk have mentioned the possibility of a brokered convention. This is an early admission by pundits that Ron Paul can’t be stopped, and a hope that he won’t have 50% of the delegates allowing his opponents to broker a deal to deny him the nomination.
Paul is unique among GOP candidates because his support is national. He can compete in every state.
The primary calendar has been frontloaded which was deliberate to keep second tier candidates (candidates not bought and paid for) from having a shot at winning the nomination. It is doubtful that when planning the schedules anybody had a clue that Ron Paul would be one of the only candidate that could be competitive on February 5th
Iowa, Wyoming, New Hampshire, Michigan, Nevada, South Carolina, Florida, Maine are all up for grabs prior to Super Tuesday which is on February 5th. Given the low expectations Paul only needs to win one of these to show that he can win prior to Super Tuesday.
The Iowa caucus on January 3rd will be a tough start for Paul. He hasn’t spent that much time in Iowa and may not have the organization that Romney does to win the caucus. Placing in the top five is all that is needed there. A third place would be huge.
Two days later on January 5th is the Wyoming Caucus. This state is a neighbor of Utah and Romney may have a strong organization here as well. Paul may do well here though.
January 8th in New Hampshire is where the campaign really starts for Ron Paul. He doesn’t need to win it but he probably will. Buchanan won this state in 1996 running on similar campaign themes with 27% of the vote. Paul’s support is much broader.
Paul’s odds look good for Michigan on January 15th. The state is a foreclosure war zone and Paul’s blaming of the Federal Reserve for creating a housing crash may resonate well.
January 19th Nevada and South Carolina are up for elections. Paul should win Nevada and has an outside shot at South Carolina.
On January 29th Florida is up. This is the state where Giuliani has circled his wagons. If he’s still in the race it will be an uphill battle for him especially if Paul has momentum generated by a couple victories. There is evidence of Paul support in Florida on the ground just by observing bumper stickers and yard signs on residences but Giuliani also has some visible support.
Of course, if Paul wins New Hampshire the momentum generated from that victory is likely to steam roll his campaign through all of the above mentioned states setting him up for the knock out punch on Super Tuesday.
If Ron Paul doesn’t have the nomination sewed up on Super Tuesday, Paul’s delegate rich home state of Texas will be the final nail in the coffin come March.
The point is it is already too late to stop Paul. He’s going to win the Republican nomination.
As a general election candidate Ron Paul will win a 50 state landslide against any Democratic nominee.
Ron Paul’s opposition to the war in Iraq, and defense of the Bill of Rights, and Civil Liberties, may actually dig deeply into the Democratic vote and overwhelmingly attract independents to his campaign.
His support for secure borders as an integral part of national defense is also a very popular issue that transcends parties.
If Ron Paul is the GOP nominee it won’t matter if Bloomberg or anybody else runs as a third party candidate. Once people go to Paul’s website and review his issues and record they either reject Paul’s ideas or they are sold. Paul will not lose any supporters to another candidate once they are in his camp.
Unlike media propaganda, the ideals of peace, freedom, and prosperity, are very mainstream. To the aging baby boomer population now on fixed incomes, Ron Paul’s challenging of the Federal Reserve’s ‘Inflation Tax’ is most welcomed. To the rest of America feeling the double whammy of an ‘Inflation Tax’ and progressive federal income taxes, Paul’s calls to end the income tax are a cause for celebration.
In fact, Paul’s calls for reforming the monetary system, the income tax, foreign policy, and protecting the Constitution, are a lot more mainstream than pre-emptive nuclear war, no borders, and a police state are.
Those media generated polls are as valuable as the media propaganda that pushed the nation to war in Iraq. People should have as much faith in polls as they do the Easter Bunny and computerized voting. Ron Paul is going to win by a landslide
its christmas day and you are trying to get us pissed off by posting paul nonsense in a non-paul thread.
You are perhaps the rudest and most self-absorbed member on this entire board.
its christmas day and you are trying to get us pissed off by posting paul nonsense in a non-paul thread.
You are perhaps the rudest and most self-absorbed member on this entire board.
A-men. Can't even take 24 hours off out of decency to his fellow men. Shows what kind of supporters Paul has, I guess. Sad, really. I had pegged FoC for an insane and stupid cultist long ago, but I had thought that maybe there was a shred of decency in him as a human being, despite that.
its christmas day and you are trying to get us pissed off by posting paul nonsense in a non-paul thread.
You are perhaps the rudest and most self-absorbed member on this entire board.
A-men. Can't even take 24 hours off out of decency to his fellow men. Shows what kind of supporters Paul has, I guess. Sad, really. I had pegged FoC for an insane and stupid cultist long ago, but I had thought that maybe there was a shred of decency in him as a human being, despite that.
Come on now, we know he's from Texas. There's not a shred of decency in that state.
its christmas day and you are trying to get us pissed off by posting paul nonsense in a non-paul thread.
Ron Paul fans are perhaps the rudest and most self-absorbed on the entire internet.
At your age, you probably shouldn't have a 5th grader as a best friend. People might talk.the kid can't talk with all that sausage in his mouf
Judicial Watch says two presidential candidates from each party have made its 2007 list of Washington's "Ten Most Wanted Corrupt Politicians."
The public-interest group says former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee and former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani were the two Republicans on the list, while Senators Barack Obama (D-Illinois) and Hillary Clinton (D-New York) made the list from the Democratic side. Judicial Watch president Tom Fitton says Mrs. Clinton has a long and "sordid" ethics record dating back to when she first entered public life -- and in 2007 the scandals continued.
WILLIAMSBURG, Iowa (CNN) — Barack Obama told an Iowa audience Friday that his wife Michelle thinks he should not run for President again if he loses in 2008.http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
“One of the things I offer in this race is that we still remember what it means to be normal," said the Illinois senator.
"My wife and I were talking the other day. And she said 'We're not doing this again'. And those of you who met her know she doesn't mince words,” said Obama. “She meant that in eight years, I'm not sure we'll be the same people we are now."
He said that he and his wife had only recently finished paying off their own student loans and started saving for their kids' college education. He also said that, until recently, he would do the family's grocery shopping himself. He said Michele told him, "eight years from now we will have lost touch with what ordinary Americans are going through" and that "we'll be in a different orbit."
"I think when you're in Washington for a long time you lose touch" and "it becomes harder to relinquish power,” he added.
But he told the audience in this blue-collar town, "my wife still shops at Target."
In the new issue of Vanity Fair, Michelle Obama tells a reporter that when it comes to her husband's White House bid, “it’s now or never.”
“We’re not going to keep running and running and running, because at some point you do get the life beaten out of you. It hasn’t been beaten out of us yet," she tells the magazine. "We need to be in there now, while we’re still fresh and open and fearless and bold. You lose some of that over time. Barack is not cautious yet; he’s ready to change the world, and we need that.”
(CNN) -- Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee's understanding of foreign affairs has again been called into question after his comments reacting to the assassination of former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto.http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/28/huckabee.foreign.policy/index.html
Huckabee, whose foreign policy credentials have been under a microscope since he admitted that he was unaware of an intelligence report that Iran had suspended its nuclear weapons program, appeared to make another gaffe Thursday when he seemed to suggest incorrectly that Pakistan was under martial law.
At an Orlando, Florida, press conference, the former Arkansas governor told reporters that the United States' first priority should be to find the responsible parties.
"But the most urgent thing to do is to offer our sincere sympathies and concerns to the family and to the people of Pakistan, and that's the first thing we would be doing other than, again, trying to ascertain who's behind it, and what impact does it have on whether or not there's going to be martial law continued in Pakistan, suspension of the constitution," said Huckabee. "Those are concerns that the United States certainly should have."
Later Thursday, at an event in West Des Moines, Iowa, Huckabee told CNN that "it was not that I was unaware it was suspended, two weeks ago, lifted. ...The point was, would it be reinstated, would it be placed back in? All of the aspects of martial law have not been completely lifted even now. There's still a heavy hand Musharraf has used."
Conservative critics immediately pointed out that Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf lifted the country's state of martial law roughly two weeks ago.
The slip "ought to be really bad news for Huckabee," said the National Review's Jim Geraghty, writing on the magazine's Web site. "I'm not sure how big assassination-related news will play in the first primary states. Still, I think those misstatements will exacerbate the Huck/Not Huck divide in GOP circles." The National Review has endorsed Huckabee's Republican rival Mitt Romney.
But CNN senior political analyst Bill Schneider said the debate over whether Huckabee has command of the nuances of Pakistan crisis would have little impact on his support.
"Mike Huckabee is a populist. His comments on Pakistan reflect a populist understanding of the crisis, which, is to say, not much," Schneider said. "Sure, the political establishment is snickering, but I doubt that his misstatements bother his supporters much."
Yeah I don't like that old Romney commercial either. Have they just started playing it in DC? It does little to dispel the sense of, "just tell me what you want me to say" that's underlined his campaign. Unfortunately, I think, because IMO he's better than that. But then again, Mormon.
Unfortunately, I think, because IMO he's better than that.
As vast as Huck's ignorance seems to be, stuff like this is just as wrong and is premeditated to boot. Jihadists are all about a caliphate, and include Iran! Wait...
He's also thrown the Muslim Brotherhood in with Hamas, Hezbollah, and Al Qaeda.
When is retail politics not retail politics? When candidates refuse to get off their big buses and go do it.http://dyn.politico.com/members/forums/thread.cfm?catid=1&subcatid=2&threadid=237945
But what happened to the “tour of downtown Waverly” that was on his schedule? Canceled. Not going to happen. He was not going to walk the streets of Waverly in search of voters.
Instead, Thompson rode four blocks to the local fire station. Local fire stations always have captive audiences (unless there is a fire). Inside, Thompson shook a few hands — there were only about 15 people there — and then Chief Dan McKenzie handed Thompson the chief’s fire hat so Thompson could put it on. Thompson looked at it with a sour expression on his face. “I’ve got a silly hat rule,” Thompson said. In point of fact, the “silly” hat was the one Chief McKenzie wore to fires and I am guessing none of the firefighters in attendance considered it particularly silly, but Thompson was not going to put it on. He just stood there holding it and staring at it. To save the moment, Jeri Thompson took the hat from her husband’s hands and put it on her head.
When he was supposed to go out and find voters in shops and diners, talk to them and answer their questions, he decided to skip it and get back on his luxury bus instead. That’s not retail politics. That’s not Iowa. And that’s not laconic. That’s lazy.
Hey gay boy, lay out the terms of the bet again.Yeah, there is two bets.
It's Ron Paul above 105 in Iowa and winning any state right?
He's probably gonna get third in Iowa.McCain has surged in Iowa (and nationwide). He won't beat him.
1. Huckabee - 29%To go along with my final GOP prediction here is my final Dem prediction:
2. Romney - 26%
3. McCain - 17%
4. Thompson - 11%
5. Paul - 8%
6. Giuliani - 7%
7. Hunter - 2%
wow, rudy's down for the count in iowa. sexcellent.Rudy has given up on the early primaries and focusing basically only on Super Tuesday and Florida. A complete failure of a move.
He may have had a chance if he put a ton of effort into NH, but he has basically skipped the state leaving Romney to fight it with a now reborn McCain.Paul will be the surprise of NH
seriously
between this and the "i didn't want to run for president" thing
edit: his only hope is for millions of hipsters to ironically vote for him
VINTON, Iowa (AP) — It's one thing for Hillary Clinton's campaign to turn down interview requests for the candidate's daughter, Chelsea. But can't a 9-year old reporter catch a break?
Sydney Rieckhoff, a Cedar Rapids fourth grader and "kid reporter" for Scholastic News, has posed questions to seven Republican and Democratic presidential hopefuls as they've campaigned across Iowa this year. But when she approached the 27-year-old Chelsea after a campaign event Sunday, she got a different response.
"Do you think your dad would be a good 'first man' in the White House?" Sydney asked, but Chelsea brushed her question aside.
"I'm sorry, I don't talk to the press and that applies to you, unfortunately. Even though I think you're cute," Chelsea told the pint-sized journalist.
Such is the paradox of Chelsea as she campaigns across Iowa in the closing days before the state's caucuses Jan. 3.
Tall and attractive, Chelsea cuts an impressive figure on the campaign trail; she plunges enthusiastically into the crowd after her mother's speeches, shaking hands and posing for pictures while asking, "Are you going to caucus for my mom?"
But onstage, Chelsea never speaks; she stands next to her mother and applauds but utters not a single sentence and doesn't even say hello. And reporters covering the campaign have been put on notice that Chelsea is not available to speak to them. An aide follows the former first daughter as she works the crowd, shushing reporters who approach her and try to ask any questions.
Famously protective of their daughter's privacy, Bill and Hillary Clinton have taken pains to shield Chelsea from the harsh glare and rough edges of presidential politics. She stayed largely absent from her mother's campaign until December, when she made her first visit to Iowa.
For her part, Sydney looked a bit crestfallen after Chelsea turned her away. But luckily for Hillary Clinton, Sydney's mother has made up her mind to caucus for the former first lady.
"I like her position on family values and health care. And I think it's time we have a female president," Robyn Rieckhoff said.
I think that Nader endorsement is going to put Edwards over the top. :(
I think that Nader endorsement is going to put Edwards over the top. :(
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071231/NEWS09/71231044There has been massive criticism of this poll however. They include 40% independents in the Dem caucus. The dem caucus in 2004 didn't even have half that many independents. If the poll included only the same amount of independent percentage as 2004 then Clinton wins the poll.
Obama 32%
Clinton 25%
Edwards 24%
Huckabee 32%
Romney 26%
McCain 13%
Paul 9%
Thompson 9%
They got it right in 2004. Hmmmm, Clinton is ahead in most Iowa polls except this one correct?
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071231/NEWS09/71231044There has been massive criticism of this poll however. They include 40% independents in the Dem caucus. The dem caucus in 2004 didn't even have half that many independents. If the poll included only the same amount of independent percentage as 2004 then Clinton wins the poll.
Obama 32%
Clinton 25%
Edwards 24%
Huckabee 32%
Romney 26%
McCain 13%
Paul 9%
Thompson 9%
They got it right in 2004. Hmmmm, Clinton is ahead in most Iowa polls except this one correct?
The register is taking a massive gamble in their realibilty by predicting an unheard of massive turnout of independents. This is hard to accept due to the fact that independents must change their party registration to democrats to take part in the caucus that day.
I was watching C-span this yesterday, and they had a call in hour where viewers could call in and endorse whoever they wanted. There were alot of Ron Paul callers, I was very surprised. The funniest caller was some old dude who started to cry because he wanted to show the world how proud America can be by voting in a black president. He didnt mention one reason to actually vote for Obama other than the fact that he's black. I think this sums up all the people who support Obama. Vote for the guy who's skin color is different!
Moment of truth tomorrow.
I was watching C-span this yesterday, and they had a call in hour where viewers could call in and endorse whoever they wanted. There were alot of Ron Paul callers, I was very surprised. The funniest caller was some old dude who started to cry because he wanted to show the world how proud America can be by voting in a black president. He didnt mention one reason to actually vote for Obama other than the fact that he's black. I think this sums up all the people who support Obama. Vote for the guy who's skin color is different!
This is certainly not the post of a racist.
Racist.
Racist.
Racist.
Gold rose above $850 becoming the first commodity to reach a new record on the first session of new year, followed by oil which sprinted past the $100 level, also setting a record.
Gold pushed to $859.30 a troy ounce on Wednesday, helped by renewed US dollar weakness after the influential ISM manufacturing survey indicated that activity contracted in December, fuelling fears that weakness in the housing market is spreading into the wider economy.
Gold prices surged 30 per cent in 2007 as the dollar sank against the euro and oil prices challenged the $100 a barrel level. This combination was a key factor behind strong inflows in gold exchange traded funds in 2007. Meanwhile jewellery demand remained strong in spite of high prices, particularly in India, China and the Middle East.
Meanwhile oil prices rose by more than $2 following violence in Nigeria, the world’s eighth largest crude exporter, on January 1.
Nymex February West Texas Intermediate jumped $4.02 to $100 a barrel, a record, while ICE February Brent lept $3.37 to $99.35 a barrel.
The latest US inventories data are due for release on Thursday, due to the new year holiday, and traders expect to see further evidence that the market is tightening.
Crude inventories were expected to have fallen 1.8m barrels in a seventh consecutive weekly decline, according to a preliminary poll of analysts by Reuters. Distillate stocks (including heating oil) were forecast to have risen by 0.3m barrels while gasoline inventories were expected to increase by 1.8m barrels.
Investors in commodity markets enjoyed strong returns in 2007, outperforming both global equities and global bond markets and analysts expect to see new money flowing into the complex in 2008.
The total return on the S&P GSCI commodity index in 2007 was 32.7 per cent, its best year since 2001. The S&P GSCI commodity index which is the most benchmark with the most funds following it has a higher weighting for energy than the Dow Jones AIG commodity index which returned 16.2 per cent, its best year since 2006.
The latest data on speculative positioning from the Commodity Futures Trading Commission showed that in the approach to Christmas, speculators increased net long positions (bets on further price gains) across the entire commodities complex with the exceptions of natural gas and palladium.
The net long position in crude oil jumped by 51.1 per cent to 52,847 lots in the week to December 24 when WTI reached $94.13 a barrel.
The speculative net long position on gold rose by 8.3 per cent to 184,375 lots while the net long on platinum increased 12.3 per cent.
Or is it a symptom of his inability to imagine anyone having different opinions than himself? Like how everyone would vote for Ron Paul if they'd just look at the issues.
Jan. 1 (Bloomberg) -- Presidential candidate Ron Paul raised almost $20 million for his campaign in the last three months, potentially outpacing every one of his Republican rivals and putting his fundraising in league with Hillary Clinton's.
Paul, a U.S. representative from Texas, raised at least $19.5 million, according to a statement posted on his Web site. His campaign said today that he originally aimed to raise $12 million in the fourth quarter of 2007.
The take puts Paul on par with the top fundraisers in the Democratic Party, who outpaced Republicans last year. The campaign of New York Senator Clinton yesterday said she raised more than $100 million for the year, meaning she brought in at least $20 million in the fourth quarter.
Paul has drawn supporters with his libertarian message and his opposition to the war in Iraq, spurring a burst of donations on the Internet, the source of about 80 percent of the contributions last quarter, according to Paul spokesman Jesse Benton. In the three months through September, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani brought in the most contributions among Republicans, for a total of $11.5 million.
Presidential campaigns don't have to report fundraising figures until the end of January, though many give hints about their totals earlier than that. Arizona Senator John McCain, who's seeking the Republican presidential nomination, yesterday told reporters in New Hampshire that December was his best fundraising month since July. He gave no further details.
To contact the reporter on this story: Kristin Jensen in Iowa at kjensen@bloomberg.net
You're right, it was an unfair generalization. But the fact remains that there are a bunch of dumb asses out there who are voting for hillary because she is a women and for obama because he is black.
It has nothing to do with racism, and everything to do with generalizations; there are many Obama supporters - including my dad - who support him because they agree with him on the issues. I'm sure there's a bit of white guilt thrown in the pot, but to declare all his support as nothing more than race related is idiotic. Surprise, a lot of people disagree with you FoC!
Final predictions...eh
Hillary 30%
Edwards 25%
Obama 22%
Romney 35%
Huckabee 33%
Paul <15%
You're right, it was an unfair generalization. But the fact remains that there are a bunch of dumb asses out there who are voting for hillary because she is a women and for obama because he is black.
I agree, but just remember they don't make up the majority of either candidate's support
It will be Paul. Paul will get the upset in third place, which will give him the momentum he needs.
It will be Paul. Paul will get the upset in third place, which will give him the momentum he needs.
The momentum he needs to do what?
oh god Ron Paul on SNL would be Aaaaawesome.
I was thinking a minute segment on VH1's I love the 2000s.It will be Paul. Paul will get the upset in third place, which will give him the momentum he needs.
The momentum he needs to do what?
Host SNL
I was thinking a minute segment on VH1's I love the 2000s.It will be Paul. Paul will get the upset in third place, which will give him the momentum he needs.
The momentum he needs to do what?
Host SNL
I'd love to see Paul on the Surreal Life 2009 with Kevin Federline, Sanjaya, Colt Brennan, and the Rutgers women basketball team
Nah Paul won't get third, I was just pointing out he'll get less than the required 15%. Honestly I dunno who will come in third on the repub side. Thompson?
DES MOINES, IOWA — He's polling in the single digits and the pundits have written him off, but a defiant Ron Paul told more than 200 supporters here Wednesday he plans to confound the doubters.
"I have no idea what's going to happen," the Lake Jackson Republican said. "But I think we are going to do well, probably better than expected."
At several stops in Iowa the day before today's pivotal caucuses, the Texas congressman expressed wonderment at how far his campaign has come in the past year — from an off-beat notion to a fully staffed, well-funded political machine.
"As it turns out, the stories out there about a few spammers running our campaign aren't true," Paul told a rally of veterans and other supporters at a downtown hotel.
The crowds and cheers capped a day of good news and bad news for the Paul campaign. His handlers reported Paul raised $19 million in the last quarter of 2007, a noteworthy sum equal to what Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton is expected to report in the same period.
But Paul also learned that, because of his lackluster showing in the polls, he will not be invited to participate in Sunday's Fox News/New Hampshire Republican Party debate, a key event before next week's New Hampshire primary.
"Given Ron Paul's support in New Hampshire and his recent historic fund-raising success, it is outrageous that Dr. Paul would be excluded," said campaign manager Kent Snyder.
A recent Des Moines Register poll found Paul had the support of about 9 percent of the state's likely caucus goers, or the same as Republican Fred Thompson, the former senator from Tennessee. Iowa front-runner Mike Huckabee, former governor of Arkansas, had 32 percent.
A recent poll of New Hampshire voters by CNN/WMUR found Paul with 7 percent, or three percentage points behind Huckabee in the state. Both Huckabee and Thompson are participating in the New Hampshire debate.
Even so, Paul's campaign has often refueled itself on adversity. For Paul, underdog status has proven a mantle of virtue, and these days he is making frequent mention of the news media and others who regard his campaign as a quirky oddity.
"I was reluctant to get into the race. I was talked into it by a number of people," Paul said. "This past year, I have removed the skepticism, believe me, and I am now a genuine true believer that this country is ready for a real change."
Paul, an anti-abortion Republican who is against the war in Iraq and favors an economic policy that includes a return to the gold standard, is still a long-shot in Iowa and beyond.
"He seems to attract a wide assortment of people with all different agendas," said Dennis Goldford, a political scientist at Drake University. "For example, he has got this Libertarian streak, and yet he combines it with an anti-abortion stance — he cuts across normal party division."
For Paul's Iowa supporters, a central theme of agreement is his America-first foreign policy, which calls for withdrawing the troops from Iraq and other places and refusing to get involved in the business of other countries.
have you figured out how to spin his crushing loss yet
well, Al Gore is King of the Internets
so take a number, Pauly-boy
well, Al Gore is King of the Internets
so take a number, Pauly-boy
How is he king of the internet? Just because he claimed to have invented it? How does that make you king of something?
Well, according to your free market logic, since he invented it he can do whatever he wants with it since IT'S HIS PROPERTY. Sell it off piece by piece, wholesale, rape it at night, murder it, whatever.
Except he didnt invent it...
Nah he's getting fourth
Edit: Christians boosted Huckabee. The religious right is back baby :bow
Obama is going to win NH and the nomination.
McCain is going to win NH, Nevada, and MI and face Huckabee in SC. Who of those 2 wins SC gets the nom to take on Obama.
omg
So did you elect your king yet America?
I suppose a tyrant can be king too.So did you elect your king yet America?
I'm not legally allowed to run until 2012, so the country shall have to wait until my divine providence leads them from the modern dark ages.
So did you elect your king yet America?
I'm not legally allowed to run until 2012, so the country shall have to wait until my divine providence leads them from the modern dark ages.
I suppose a tyrant can be king too.
Minister of Law? So I will be the one setting up the camps?So did you elect your king yet America?
I'm not legally allowed to run until 2012, so the country shall have to wait until my divine providence leads them from the modern dark ages.
I suppose a tyrant can be king too.
I am a BENEVOLENT tyrant, however. In fact, I could possibly see my way to appointing a certain antisocial, nyquil swilling Canuck to my new Minister of Law post... after all, he would be easy to control what with the nyquil addiction...
So did you elect your king yet America?
I'm not legally allowed to run until 2012, so the country shall have to wait until my divine providence leads them from the modern dark ages.
I suppose a tyrant can be king too.
I am a BENEVOLENT tyrant, however. In fact, I could possibly see my way to appointing a certain antisocial, nyquil swilling Canuck to my new Minister of Law post... after all, he would be easy to control what with the nyquil addiction...
Minister of Law? So I will be the one setting up the camps?
I'm off nyquil and back to booze. Cheap vodka and I'm yours.
Will there be anyone left?So did you elect your king yet America?
I'm not legally allowed to run until 2012, so the country shall have to wait until my divine providence leads them from the modern dark ages.
I suppose a tyrant can be king too.
I am a BENEVOLENT tyrant, however. In fact, I could possibly see my way to appointing a certain antisocial, nyquil swilling Canuck to my new Minister of Law post... after all, he would be easy to control what with the nyquil addiction...
Minister of Law? So I will be the one setting up the camps?
I'm off nyquil and back to booze. Cheap vodka and I'm yours.
Da, komrad. The camps will be essential to rid the country of undesirables- the homeschooled, Libertopians, the overtly religious, people that watch reality television... many will be called and chosen for the ultimate sacrifice. The vodka will get you through it, sir.
Superior mutants only, sir.Can you leave some women folk? I mean--I'll take the mutants too.
We're just going to bio-engineer them to be borne without vocal cords.I dare them to say 'no'!
Obama-Edwards would be tight. Even your stupid homeschooled ass would vote for that, Pee Dee.
And Malek, OF COURSE I'm going to leave women alive. We're just going to bio-engineer them to be borne without vocal cords.
Say what you will about Huck, but he knows how to give a damn good speechYou were blinded by a huckster. Or by Chuck Norris' teeth.
what the fuck I thought the media had a liberal bias. Everyone is talking huckabee not obama
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I'd feel bad for NH republicans if it was possible for me to feel empathy for that lot. W
Bloomberg wont run if Obama sweeps this nomination, not a chance.
I'd feel bad for NH republicans if it was possible for me to feel empathy for that lot. W
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Bloomberg wont run if Obama sweeps this nomination, not a chance.
Yes but this tonight put a damper on the Hillary campaign. We'll see tuesday.
Bloomberg wont run if Obama sweeps this nomination, not a chance.
Hillary and Huckabee would be a green light, though.
jeezus shit, Obama won in a state with 4% black people? amazing. sad that I'll have to use bbc for not-totally-shit election coverage though. US stations are barely a notch above internet fanboys.next one is tuesday in NH. Hillary has about a 10-18% lead there right now.
when are the next few primaries? I can see obama getting a lot of momentum due to this being the farthest (?) a black person got to being president (I don't meam that as an insult to him). especially since democrats know how dedicated evangelicals are to voting.
- 10% market share? check.
- people grossly overpaid for it? check.
- hyped up third-party support that never materialized? check.
IT'S OFFICIAL:
RON PAUL IS THE MAC OF POLITICS
So did you elect your king yet America?
I'm not legally allowed to run until 2012, so the country shall have to wait until my divine providence leads them from the modern dark ages.
I suppose a tyrant can be king too.
I am a BENEVOLENT tyrant, however. In fact, I could possibly see my way to appointing a certain antisocial, nyquil swilling Canuck to my new Minister of Law post... after all, he would be easy to control what with the nyquil addiction...
Minister of Law? So I will be the one setting up the camps?
I'm off nyquil and back to booze. Cheap vodka and I'm yours.
Da, komrad. The camps will be essential to rid the country of undesirables- the homeschooled, Libertopians, the overtly religious, people that watch reality television... many will be called and chosen for the ultimate sacrifice. The vodka will get you through it, sir.
http://www.politico.com/rogersimon/
DES MOINES, Iowa — Are there really three tickets out of Iowa?
Will the media really have the time, space or inclination to pay attention to anyone who doesn’t win or come in second here Thursday night?
Candidates like to talk about how winning “gold, silver or bronze” or “first class, business or coach” is enough. But in Iowa, a third-place finish has almost always been a one-way ticket to Palookaville.
You can hate the idea of one small state being able to dash presidential dreams, but that is usually the case here. (In 1988 there was an exception: Both Democrat Mike Dukakis and Republican George H.W. Bush came in third in Iowa but went on to win their party’s nomination.)
Even second place sometimes is not good enough in Iowa. Ask John Edwards. He came in second here in 2004 and expected that “bounce” to help him win in New Hampshire. But it didn’t.
Why? The media had a better story. They had Howard Dean’s scream.
As Edwards’ then-campaign manager Nick Baldick put it: “Instead of headlines that said, ‘Kerry Wins, Edwards a Surprising Second’ it was all about [John] Kerry winning and the Dean speech. We were the seventh paragraph. That did not give us a New Hampshire bounce.”
And Edwards might face the same problem this time. If he comes in second and Barack Obama comes in first, the headline could be: “Obama Wins, Hillary Third.”
Top-tier candidates probably will not drop out if they don’t do well in Iowa. The New Hampshire primary is just five days later, and most of the money for that is already spent. Also there are back-to-back Republican and Democratic debates on Saturday night, which provides free TV time.
But certain candidates might find themselves otherwise starved for oxygen in New Hampshire. Media resources are being stretched thin right now and many news outlets are looking forward to a smaller field to cover.
The trick for candidates is to exceed media expectations. If you can do better than expected, you might be able to earn a continuing look — even if it is just a glance — from the press.
Each party has a different set of expectations this time.
Republican John McCain has been trying to thread the needle in Iowa, spending enough time to snatch third place without spending enough time to make it look as if he were really trying to win.
And McCain actually could convert a bronze in Iowa into gold in New Hampshire.
Greg Mueller, who has worked in a number of Republican presidential campaigns, but is unaligned now, says there are others who may beat expectations.
“If Fred Thompson comes in third in Iowa, he gets a ticket to New Hampshire,” Mueller said. “And Ron Paul, with that energy and passion, is a wild card.”
On the Democratic side, the field may be cut down immediately.
“There aren’t three tickets out of Iowa for Democrats,” said Mark Mellman, a Democratic pollster and strategist who worked for Kerry in 2004 and is unaligned now. “If Hillary Clinton wins, I think the race is over.”
But what if she doesn’t win?
“If Barack Obama wins and Hillary Clinton is second or third, she could still win the nomination, but it would be a tough fight for her,” he said. “And Edwards has to win Iowa. If he comes in third in Iowa — or even second — he is dead.”
Former Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman, who isn’t backing any candidate, put it this way: “What is unique about this cycle is that each candidate has a different strategy to obtain the nomination. But exceeding media expectations is part of every strategy."
Rep. Jesse L. Jackson Jr: "The natural reminder here is O.J. How does an African American candidate attack a white woman?"
Well, that sure clarifies the campaign strategy.
so, uh, this is probably a dumb question (:-[), but has hilary responded, in any way, to this loss yet, or will she?
It seems FoC has kept his promise and isn't coming back here. It isn't like him to not post in this topic for over a day.
RIP Ron Paul spam posts.
How? He didn't get over 10%. It was dead in the middle. You did lose your claim he'd get in the top 3. You even said he NEEDED to get third to win the nomination. How do you stand now?It seems FoC has kept his promise and isn't coming back here. It isn't like him to not post in this topic for over a day.
RIP Ron Paul spam posts.
What? I thought I won the bet.
I thought the bet was double digits...I went back and checked. It was "over 10%"
I thought the bet was double digits...I went back and checked. It was "over 10%"
Who will you support now if Paul does not run as a third party?
Your quote:I thought the bet was double digits...I went back and checked. It was "over 10%"
Who will you support now if Paul does not run as a third party?
link me. If your right, go ahead and ban me.
He'll get more than 10% but I'll have to be banned. I probably couldn't do it voluntarily.
I'll take the bet, but I would rather bet with a book. :)
so will you throw your support behind Obama if he wins NH now?
is your interest in politics dropping now that your political belief system has failed to catch on?so will you throw your support behind Obama if he wins NH now?
Probably not, my support wouldnt mean anything anyway. I hope Obama can deliver more than speeches though. Being in Texas my vote won't make or break either way. I'll just vote libertarian or write in Ron Paul.
is your interest in politics dropping now that your political belief system has failed to catch on?so will you throw your support behind Obama if he wins NH now?
Probably not, my support wouldnt mean anything anyway. I hope Obama can deliver more than speeches though. Being in Texas my vote won't make or break either way. I'll just vote libertarian or write in Ron Paul.
I guess you're right. I think I under estimated the douchbag evangelicals. They have hijacked the republican party and turned it into a jesus freak show. They no longer care about lower taxes and smaller government.
I hope the cunts in Iowa have fun with Huckabee. I can't even imagine him being our president. God help us if he wins.
Interesting entrence polls for Iowa.Republicans like Bush, duh.
Feelings About Bush Administration
Enthusiastic (20%)
Satisfied (48%)
Dissatisfied (26%)
Angry (5%)
This gives you an idea about what the republican political landscape of iowa looks like.
Lets talk about the Dems. What are the chances that Obama will NOT get the nomination? Can Hillary make a come back? Will John Edwards get an $800 hair cut to bounce back?Edwards put it ALL in Iowa, he is dead. He'll drop out after Feb 5th. Obama needs to win NH. Hillary has a 10%+ lead now. It's all about if he gets enough momentum from Iowa but Huckabee sucked up a lot of media attention so its up in the air if he can pull it off.
So edwards had to get first? I thought the real loser was third.Edwards needed 1st in Iowa. Second place won't get him momentum.
I guess you're right. I think I under estimated the douchbag evangelicals. They have hijacked the republican party and turned it into a jesus freak show. They no longer care about lower taxes and smaller government. I hope the cunts in Iowa have fun with Huckabee. I can't even imagine him being our president. God help us if he wins.
i am clinging to the vague hope of an edwards nh upset. he will pick obama as his vp!How? He is in a distant third there and getting a disappointing second place in Iowa will likely make him drop more.
i am clinging to the vague hope of an edwards nh upset. he will pick obama as his vp!How? He is in a distant third there and getting a disappointing second place in Iowa will likely make him drop more.
Cause we all know how effective FEMA is anyway. AMIRITE GUYS!
you meana FEMA stocked with political cronies rather than qualified personnel
Edwards career may be dead, thank the lord; he should have never left the senate. I don't see how he can go on now. I mean, Obama has essentially taken his hope/populist message, and Hillary is going to be around next election. Where's does Edwards fit? In a few years his pretty boy looks will fade even more.
Pee Dee, what do you see in huckabee?
You are standing in an open field west of the White House, with a boarded front door. There is a small lame duck there.
You have in your inventory a map, some matches, a camera, a tape recorder, and the GOP nomination for president.
Do you pick a(n):
(N)egro, to undercut the "historic first" narrative of Obama (JC Watts is marked on the map)?
(E)ntertainer such as Bruce Willis and capture the Arnold/Reagan magic?
(S)outherner like Mike Huckabee, to shore up your support among suspicious Evangelicals?
(W)oman to close the gender gap and balance your rough image?
if a dem is in the white house she CANT run in 2012. Even Carter got re-nominated. wtf are you talking aboutPee Dee, what do you see in huckabee?
I see the passion
Cheebs: you don't think Hillary will run again if she loses this year? With a dem in the White House she'd get a crap ton of coverage as a leading senator.
Pee Dee, what do you see in huckabee?
The CW has been that if Hillary won, she wouldn't take Obama or Edwards. I think that's changed.
If Obama wins, you can have a fabulous parlour game of balancing the ticket by race/age/region.
McCain I think would take Huckabee as sop to the evangelicals, unless he's committed to someone like Tim Pawlenty or something. Ditto Giuliani, I think. Romney would want to balance the ticket, but there's been some blood spilt.
If Huckabee takes the nomination, who knows. He's been endorsed by Chuck Norris, Ric Flair, and Ted Nugent. That's the beginnings of one hell of a cabinet.
I thought you already saw that movie. AH HYUCK AH HYUCKPee Dee, what do you see in huckabee?I see the passion
The more Obama wins and the higher his profile is, the harder it becomes to exclude him from the ticket. Taking some random DLC honkey was easier back when Hillary was going to blow past the competition.
I don't get the whole "pick a dullard who won't outshine you" theory of VP picks. What exactly is going to happen? Obama would get so popular that Wolf Blitzer would dump Hillary and ask him to the dance instead? The Senate would decide to let him sign the bills?
Ronald Reagan didn't win Iowa.
An evangelical preacher by the name of Pat Robertson won Iowa back in the day. Did he win his party's nomination? Nope. Bill Clinton only received 4% in the 1992 Iowa caucus. Paul got 10%
Is this true?Bill didnt run in Iowa. No one did but tom harkin.QuoteRonald Reagan didn't win Iowa.
An evangelical preacher by the name of Pat Robertson won Iowa back in the day. Did he win his party's nomination? Nope. Bill Clinton only received 4% in the 1992 Iowa caucus. Paul got 10%
you are posting over and over about ron paul in the non ron paul thread, did you learn ANYTHING? He got under 10% you are lucky to not be banned and you are spamming paul stuff. ugggh
then stop talking about ron paul. saying "say if ron paul wins NH...." is not discussing politics.you are posting over and over about ron paul in the non ron paul thread, did you learn ANYTHING? He got under 10% you are lucky to not be banned and you are spamming paul stuff. ugggh
Chill dude, lets talk about politics.
then stop talking about ron paul. saying "say if ron paul wins NH...." is not discussing politics.you are posting over and over about ron paul in the non ron paul thread, did you learn ANYTHING? He got under 10% you are lucky to not be banned and you are spamming paul stuff. ugggh
Chill dude, lets talk about politics.
I havent spammed anything. Do you even know what spamming is?stating OMG GUESS WHAT PAUL DID BETTER THAN IOWA THEN BILL is nonsense. And then asking us to consider the posibility of paul winning NH is pure nonsense.
why did you ask it in theI havent spammed anything. Do you even know what spamming is?stating OMG GUESS WHAT PAUL DID BETTER THAN IOWA THEN BILL is nonsense. And then asking us to consider the posibility of paul winning NH is pure nonsense.
??? I never said that. I asked if it was true. Someone sent it to me on facebook.
why did you ask it in the
When there's one dingus and everyone's poking him with a stick, it's kind of funny.
When there are two dueling dinguses, it's more annoying.
That's just my take.
Bill Clinton voiced his abiding anger at the media's coverage of him and his wife in Durham, N.H., today, and suggested that media bias will force Clinton to go negative on Barack Obama.http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0108/Bills_reason_to_go_negative_media_bias.html
He also expressed his frustration that his wife is perceived by voters as divisive through, he said, no fault of her own.
Clinton, like his wife, is traveling New Hampshire taking questions from voters, and he spoke at the University of New Hampshire in Durham in response to a plea from a woman who said she'd like it "if you and Clinton joined Barack Obama in putting the Republicans on notice" that it was time to "change the game" and end the "meanness" and "manipulation" in politics.
Clinton replied that he liked the idea — in theory.
"I think we can change it as long as you have access to information by people who are committed to judging everybody by the same set of rules and following the same set of rules," he said. "According to the most recent media analysis, that’s not what’s happened so far, but yeah, I think it should be done."
Clinton also let his audience glimpse the scars of his White House years.
"Nobody would like it better than us if you could get that personal vilification out of there, because nobody’s been vilified more than we have," he said, after noting that he thought Hillary and McCain could run a respectful campaign. "One of the problems with laying down and turning the other cheek is McCain had one dose of it. They gave it to us for eight years.
"And the fact of the matter is, independent voters think you’re polarizing if someone else attacks you, even if that someone is Rush Limbaugh, even if you’ve been totally exonerated of every single charge ever leveled against you, which Hillary was — and some people forgot to tell you about that," he said, jabbing again at the press.
"Nobody would be happier to see all this go away than us. But you can’t ask somebody who is at a breathtaking disadvantage in the information coming to the voters to ignore that disadvantage and basically agree to put bullets in their brains," he said.
other than Phoenix "Homeschooled" Dark I'm not exactly seeing an outpouring of Huckabee support
feel free to not spam us with reasons to fear and hate him, I think we're all on that page together
I just had a great conversation with Karl Rove about Iowa and the elections. He says a lot of interesting things. Two big bullet points up front, though, were that he says, "My gut tells me its still Hillary," as far as the Democratic nominee and across the board "Don't make a determination about the nominee based on Iowa." He referenced Bob Dole's effort in 1988 to drive the point home.http://redstate.com/stories/elections/2008/karl_rove_talks_to_redstate_about_last_night
I spent most of my time talking about the Democrats with him. I asked him about Hillary now being vulnerable and the inevitability quotient. He agreed that she's going to need something new besides inevitability. Rove also said he thought Hillary gave a good, positive speech last night, but the set up was bad. She had Bill Clinton, Madeline Albright, and Wes Clark on stage -- not exactly a message of change, he pointed out.
We turned to New Hampshire and I asked him about independent voters. A lot of people are now speculating that McCain might be hurt because of independent voters going to the Democratic primary to support Obama. "I'd be scared if I were Hillary and concerned if I were McCain," he said. But he also said people don't need to equate what independents do in the primary with what they do in the general election -- particularly independents in New Hampshire, who really want to be a part of the primary process.
Read on . . .
On the Republican side, we talked about the core issue for Republican voters. It was not quite what I was expecting. To Karl Rove, the issue that will determine who gets the Republican nominee is "fidelity to core principles," or who is the most faithful conservative. He said it will make things a lot easier for the Democrats who have a "binary decision" to make — do they want Hillary or not. On the Republican side, our voters are going through a laundry list of issues to see who is the most consistently conservative guy on a host of issues.
Iraq, according to Rove, will continue to be an issue, though Democrats are probably going to want to talk about it less and less. Nonetheless, Iraq goes straight to security issues and regardless of who the Democratic nominee is and who the Republican nominee is, we're going to have a Republican who supports the PATRIOT Act and the terrorist surveillance program and a Democrat opposed to both. He admitted this means he thinks Ron Paul won't be the nominee. At the end of the day, Rove thinks Americans are still going to go for the nominee they think will keep them safe.
I did ask him about two other issues. First, I asked him what he's up to now that he is out of the White House. He's writing a lot — a book, a column for Newsweek, etc. He's also giving speeches and doing some "political stuff under the radar."
Second, I asked him about the immigration issue and the Republican party. He was very forceful on the issue. He said the GOP must be "very careful about mishandling the issue." It's not enough, according to Karl Rove, for the GOP to be about national security on the issue. Just building the wall won't work and throwing everyone out the country isn't going to happen, he points out rightly. Rove said we know that a "vast number of Americans are in favor of denying drivers licenses for illegal aliens," but they also understand that there are other facets to the issue.
He said the GOP needs to do two things: (1) the party must be practical on the issue and (2) the party must get the facts right. He pointed out that the Bush administration has rounded up and returned 1.3 million illegal aliens arrested at the border. The administration also ended the decades old "catch and release" policy back in July of 2006. Likewise, the administration reduced the time it takes to deport someone from 93 days down to 19 days with a goal of 15 days.
Unless we get our facts right, we're not going to have credibility on this issue.
Rove is definitely engaged and paying attention to the race from the sidelines. He's also an optimist on the GOP's chances. Frankly, its reassuring to me that a guy like Rove is not out of the game, but working under the radar. Liberals should still be worried.
WHy is Rove so fascinated with Hillary? He's always giving her tips.Rove is a campaign whore more than he is a partisan
I was wondering how your post count was so high the other day, now I know.
I was wondering how your post count was so high the other day, now I know.he only has about 6,500 posts according to his profile. his profile shows that he has 144 pages of posts with 45 posts per page. I remember the mods added around 70,000 right after he came here.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#IA (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#IA)Biden got 22 more than that.
Woohoo Ron Paul got two delegates! :lol
CNN said Biden got 8. But comparing the dems amount of delegates to the republicans isnt even worth it. The dems had a larger turnout so of course they will have more delegates.Delegates aren't determined by turnout. Each precinct has the same amount of delegates if 2 people show up or 200. And yeah I got 23 from reading state delegates, not the main ones.
CNN said Biden got 8. But comparing the dems amount of delegates to the republicans isnt even worth it. The dems had a larger turnout so of course they will have more delegates.Delegates aren't determined by turnout. Each precinct has the same amount of delegates if 2 people show up or 200.
Oh-ba-ma Fires It Up
By Katharine Q. Seelye
MILFORD, N.H. — Spontaneous combustion! We’re here at the New Hampshire Democratic Party’s big dinner and out of the masses of 3,000 people, who have been listening politely to Dennis Kucinich, Hillary Clinton and Bill Richardson, comes a huge surge of people toward the stage for the next speaker — Barack Obama.
An announcer tries to get them back to their seats. “For safety concerns, before we can proceed, please take your seats,” says a disembodied voice. A mild buzz kill. The crowd moans but doesn’t really disperse. Then Mr. Obama strides to the podium, the crowd remains packed around the stage and the room is electrified.
“O-ba-ma, O-ba-ma,” they roar.
If you had listened to Mrs. Clinton, you wouldn’t really know that a seismic political event had occurred last night in Iowa. She could have delivered this particular speech almost any time in the last few weeks, and only those (like reporters) who pay attention to word changes on the margins would have noticed the difference. The biggest applause for Mrs. Clinton seemed to be at the end, when her husband and daughter joined her on stage.
But Mr. Obama gets right to it. In four days, he says, “you can do what Iowa did last night.” He doesn’t just talk about “change,” he talks about New Hampshire’s ability to “fundamentally transform this country.” His speech is interrupted repeatedly by chants of “O-ba-ma!”
“Our time for change has come,” he declares. He talks about having brought more young people to the caucuses in Iowa. Women too. “Across America, a fire is burning,” he says, “and folks are ready to go.”
He derides the “politics of fear” and says voters are “fed up with spin and P.R., they want straight talk,” co-opting John McCain’s signature phrase in a big move to capture the independents in the state who can vote on either side.
He gets a great chuckle when he says that his critics think he hasn’t spent enough time in Washington: “He needs to be seasoned and stewed. We need to boil all the hope out of him and you know what? That argument didn’t work in iowa and it isn’t going to work in New Hampshire because you know that the real gamble would be to have the same old game plan in Washington with the same old players and somehow expect the same old result,” he says. “That is a gamble we cannot take.” The crowd erupts with chants at the push-back on Bill Clinton’s argument that voting for Mr. Obama would be a “roll of the dice.”
Either he really means it or this is one gigantic book tour to promote his memoir, “The Audacity of Hope.”
Mr. Obama is now linking the civil rights struggle with the inclusion of new voters who came out for him in Iowa. “That is what is possible in four days time, that is the challenge before you, New Hampshire,” he says, picking up the preacher cadence and clearly responding to the crowd. “If you believe we cannot be stopped, there is a moment in the life of every generation, if it is to make its mark on history, where that spirit, that faith, has to break through. This is our moment. This is our time.”
The crowd goes absolutely berserk. And in his crescendo moment, he says that if New Hampshire votes for him on Tuesday, “you and I will heal this nation and repair the world and finally have an America that we can believe in again _ in four days time.”
One tiny anecdote will tell you how this went over here. We were seated next to supporters of Mrs. Clinton. They applauded throughout Mr. Obama’s speech. Said one: “He almost changed my mind.”
Doesn't that fawning plush-piece shore-up Bill Clinton's assertion that the media is creating a cult-of-personality around Obameh?
Obama is surging in NH.http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7717.html
Dems in NH:
Obama - 37%
Hillary - 27%
Edwards - 19%
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...cratic_primary
http://forums.sohh.com/showthread.php?t=958098"Massa favoring the light ones over the dark, letting them come in the house and actually relax for a few minutes and sh*t. this Obama craze is just an updated version of that same logic."
:o :lol
http://forums.sohh.com/showthread.php?t=958098"Massa favoring the light ones over the dark, letting them come in the house and actually relax for a few minutes and sh*t. this Obama craze is just an updated version of that same logic."
:o :lol
wtf :lol
yeah, i already consider you white, pd -- white in that foc kinda way
well we did win the war in iraq easily
it's just everything AFTER that we bungled
:lol :lol :lol
(http://ubrgk.com/logan-huckles.jpg)
I know Logan did something wrong but omg no more
Exhausted and facing the prospect of losing the second test of her primary campaign, HIllary Clinton's voice broke and she fought back tears at the close of a sedate event in a Portsmouth coffee shop.http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0108/Clinton_fights_tears_Its_not_easy.html
She expressed the sheer difficulty of heading out to the trail each day -- "It's not easy," she said -- and suggested she faced "pretty difficult odds."
And with audible frustration and disbelief, she drew the contrast between her experience and Senator Barack Obama's that suggests that her campaign's current message -- the question of who is ready -- matches her profound sense that she alone is ready for the job.
"Some of us know what are going to do on day one, and some of us haven’t thought that through enough," she said.
The question was inocuous:
"As a woman I know it’s hard to get out of the house and get ready," asked Marianne Pernold, a local freelance photographer. "Who does your hair?"
Clinton began by talking about her hair -- she has some help -- but moved to talk more generally about the campaign.
"It’s not easy, it’s not easy, and I couldn’t do it if i just didn’t passionately believe it was the right thing to do," she said.
"I have so many opportunities for this country. I don’t want to se us all fall back," she said, her voice breaking in the last phrase.
"This is very personal for me," she said to supportive applause from the small gathering, at which she'd been discussing policy around a table for an hour. "It’s not just political, it's not just public -- I see what's happening. We have to reverse it."
"Some people think elections are a game -- it’s about who’s up and who's down," she said. "It's about our country's future, it's about our kids' future - it's really about all of us together."
"And some of us put oursevles out there and do this against some pretty difficult odds, and we do it each one of us because we care about our country," she said.
"Some of us are right and some of us are wrong. Some of us are ready and some of us are not. Some of us know what are going to do on day one, and some of us haven’t thought that through enough," she said.
"When we look at the array of problems that we have, and the potential for it really spinning out of control -- this is one of the most important elections America's ever faced," she concluded.
The questioner, Pernold, said she'd come to the event "smitten" by Obama, but that she's now torn. "Showing that emotion -- I really find it refreshing," she said.
If the primaries still matter by the time it meanders to NC, I'm voting for Hillary and not Obama. I'll take the tough operator with actual legislative credentials that has no qualms about proverbially punching obstinate Republicans in the face to get her way over the head in the clouds idealist that will get his shit pushed in for all the key legislative fights by a conservative Democrat/GOP congressional coalition.
What I really wanted was Edwards
Edwards is not like hillary at all. Republicans would bend him over the table and anal probe him.
Also, what good do you really think would come from a socialist class warfare?
wtf richardson :lol :o
Getting back to a sensible taxation scheme where wealth and work are more fairly taxed and curbing corporate America's "race to the bottom" which is murdering real wage growth for a vast majority of the middle class.
Any taxes you do ad are going to affect the middle class the most. Why would a company not pass the cost of a tax on to the consumer?
:lol :lol :lol
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d!
What makes you think that a company that passes the cost of a tax onto the consumer wouldn't find its marketshare eroded by a more nimble, agile company with better productivity and proceesses
What makes you think that a company that passes the cost of a tax onto the consumer wouldn't find its marketshare eroded by a more nimble, agile company with better productivity and proceesses that didn't have to do so? Has Ron Paul's total electoral failure (to be fair, there hasn't been a primary in a militia state yet) already shattered your belief in the free market? :'(
Obama is surging in NH.
Dems in NH:
Obama - 37%
Hillary - 27%
Edwards - 19%
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...cratic_primary
I hope this poll is accurate.
Exsissive taxes are not part of the free market and only encourage more political intervention on the party of business lobbyists.
i dont understand your argument. You say we should tax big business and then shame then when they pass the cost on to the consumers (the middle class). Business will always always pass costs onto consumers. If it costs $4 to make a widget and then congress passes a widget tax of $2. They arent gonna sell the thing for $5 anymore. They are gonna sell it for $7.
I hope this poll is accurate.
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Then what tax are you talking about? Most people who talk about social class war far want to bring down Teh evil big business. For fucks sake all Edwards talks about is taxing business and CEOs.
Then what tax are you talking about? Most people who talk about social class war far want to bring down Teh evil big business. For fucks sake all Edwards talks about is taxing business and CEOs.
that was you putting words in someone else's mouth so you can say what you want. BTW, that is one of the main reasons people detest you any political thread you get involved in.
1) Cutting tax breaks to indsutries that don't need them. You don't need to subsidize profitable, established industry all because they have a lot of lobbyists and campaign donors, it's bullshit.
2) Bring taxation on investment income on par with taxation on income from the average family's paycheck. Income is income.
And income shouldn't be taxed at all.
foc if you're going to talk fud based off what you learned in EC101. Please, PLEASE remember price elasticity.
foc if you're going to talk fud based off what you learned in EC101. Please, PLEASE remember price elasticity.
When the price of a good falls, the quantity consumers demand of the good typically rises; if it costs less, consumers buy more. Price elasticity of demand measures the responsiveness of a change in quantity demanded for a good or service to a change in price.
MOMENT OF TRUTH PART TWO MOTHERFUCKERS!
Paul fans are expecting a victory in NH. If Paul can't win here, he can't win anywhere and might as well drop out.
My predictions
Repigs
McCain 37%
Romney 29%
Huckabee 16%
Paul 10% (BELIEVE)
Dems
CLINTON 39%
Obama 37%
Edwards 30%
I'm going down with the ship
MOMENT OF TRUTH PART TWO MOTHERFUCKERS!
Paul fans are expecting a victory in NH. If Paul can't win here, he can't win anywhere and might as well drop out.
I'm not expecting a victory, but 3rd place would be nice.
Bill Richardson has done alot more than just be a governor.
By saying that, you admitting that he will never get nominated by the GOP. New Hampshire has more independents than several of the following caucus states. If Paul has any sort of viability at all (lol), he needs to win NH or at least nip the heels of the winner.
If Paul can't win or come very close to winning NH, he might as well drop out.
By saying that, you admitting that he will never get nominated by the GOP. New Hampshire has more independents than several of the following caucus states. If Paul has any sort of viability at all (lol), he needs to win NH or at least nip the heels of the winner.
If Paul can't win or come very close to winning NH, he might as well drop out.
I've already said he probably wont win.
oooh numbers!
Obama: 35%
Clinton: 27%
Edwards: 18%
McCain: 38%
Romney: 24%
Huck: 10%
Paul: 10%
oooh numbers!
Obama: 35%
Clinton: 27%
Edwards: 18%
McCain: 38%
Romney: 24%
Huck: 10%
Paul: 10%
There is one about half a mile from my house. Looks like a 4 year old painted it and it say "Ron Paul Reloveution[sic]." Nothing says legitimate non-fringe candidate like a handpainted banner with comically misspelled wording!
God, fucking New Hampshire.
Making us Obama supporters sweat it the fuck out.
God, fucking New Hampshire.
Making us Obama supporters sweat it the fuck out.
oh..okay.
oh thank god.oh..okay.Obama's probably gonna win once the collegiate areas (Obama strongholds) are counted.
Jesus this is some sort of nationwide thing? Or at least west coast? And my local Ron Paul couldn't even get it right, settling instead for a misspelling over trying to figure out what a "L" looks like backwards? No wonder everyone mocks them (that and the gold standard thing).
I have 100% conformation on who my moms voting for.
Obama. Now she'll tell all her friends and Obama will get a solid 20-35 in Maryland/DC
My predictions
Repigs
McCain 37%
Romney 29%
Huckabee 16%
Paul 10% (BELIEVE)
Dems
CLINTON 39%
Obama 37%
Edwards 30%
I'm going down with the ship
Yeah you are.
The real real:
Obama 41%
Hilldog 31%
Edwards 17%
I'm a Governor 9%
I have 100% conformation on who my moms voting for.
Obama. Now she'll tell all her friends and Obama will get a solid 20-35 in Maryland/DC
Are you insane? I'm white. Whitey don't do well in DC.
I live in Maryland. Right across the water from DC. I live like right next to all that fruity shit they're building. Speaking of all the fruity shit they're building, what the fuck is it and why is my house worth so much?
do they say which districts reported?
it's at around 61% now with Clinton 3% ahead.
AP just declared the race for Hillary
My predictions
Repigs
McCain 37%
Romney 29%
Huckabee 16%
Paul 10% (BELIEVE)
Dems
CLINTON 39%
Obama 37%
Edwards 30%
I'm going down with the ship
Yeah you are.
The real real:
Obama 41%
Hilldog 31%
Edwards 17%
I'm a Governor 9%
OWNED
If it honestly comes down to Hillary and McCain, I don't even think I'm gonna vote.
Voting apathy leads to distinguished mentally-challenged frat boys becoming president.So you're saying your vote doesn't count? Didn't take you long to recant. :P
edit: Actually, since I live in Washington State, the second most liberal state in the union, my vote really doesn't have much of an impact. But that doesn't stop me from voting!
My god this guy is an awesome speaker.
And I was only half-joking about the vote thing. I'll probably throw my vote to Clinton, but meh.
Voting apathy leads to distinguished mentally-challenged frat boys becoming president.So you're saying your vote doesn't count? Didn't take you long to recant. :P
edit: Actually, since I live in Washington State, the second most liberal state in the union, my vote really doesn't have much of an impact. But that doesn't stop me from voting!
If it honestly comes down to Hillary and McCain, I don't even think I'm gonna vote.
If you do, I only have one thing to say to you.... FUCK YOU!
Vote Goddammit.
:-[
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l207/fgsfdsfargeg/whiteblack.swfObama is doomed.
White people fucking suck.
Clinton looks like she's gonna cryIf it works.
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l207/fgsfdsfargeg/whiteblack.swfObama is doomed.
White people fucking suck.
:lol :lol :lol
So did Hillary storm back in the last 24 hours, or were the pollsters screwing up on the job, or... ya know...
So did Hillary storm back in the last 24 hours, or were the pollsters screwing up on the job, or... ya know...Probly 'ya know...'
Obama is doomed.
White people fucking suck.
:lol :lol :lol
just wanted to see how it sounded
How did Giuliani win in a state where the license plates say "live free or die" :'(
because ron paul isn't about real freedom; he's about kool-aid and barely concealed racism
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His speech
Anyone heard anything about Voter fraud on the dem side?
Anyone heard anything about Voter fraud on the dem side?
Have you? That would be an interesting story given what happened yesterday. Personally I think it was a fair win, and the media is just covering their asses. None of those polls were accurate as I said days ago.
LAS VEGAS (AP) — Presidential hopeful Barack Obama has won an endorsement from the Nevada chapter of the Service Employees International Union, boosting his prospects against rival Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) in Nevada's upcoming Democratic caucuses.http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7812.html
The influential union claims to represent 17,500 health care and county workers in Nevada. Its executive board approved the decision in a conference call late Tuesday night, shortly after the Illinois senator finished a close second behind Clinton in the New Hampshire primary.
The announcement came as Obama was expecting to get another boost from labor in Nevada. The 60,000 member Culinary Workers Union, Local 226 was scheduled to announce its endorsement Wednesday.
SEIU President Vicky Hedderman said she believes Obama is a candidate "who could take the campaign all the way through November."
Nevada's Jan. 19 caucus is the next major Democratic nomination contest. Under union rules, the endorsement allows SEIU locals in other states to lend resources and volunteers to its Nevada counterpart on behalf of Obama.
"Nevada is a caucus state, and as Obama showed in Iowa, organization of every precinct is key to winning," Jane McAlevey, SEIU executive director, said in a statement. "SEIU Nevada members from Reno to Elko to Las Vegas are ready to make a difference in this state for our candidate."
Obama has won the support of SEIU locals and state councils in five states, including his home state.
The decision is a blow to the campaign of former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards, who came in third in the New Hampshire primary.
Edwards has the backing of the 600,000-member SEIU California State Council. He had hoped to put that manpower to work in neighboring Nevada.
Then of course we have to realize Obama's chances of making it through his first term without being shot at are very low
Not gonna happen. IF Obama wins the nomination he'll be bombarded with smears as well as "is this brown man experienced enough to protect your children from other brown men?" attacks. He's going to pick a Cheney type guy with lots of experience. Initially I thought it would be Biden but all his former aids/supporters are starting to endorse Hillary. Then of course we have to realize Obama's chances of making it through his first term without being shot at are very low; the the VP issue will be key
Then of course we have to realize Obama's chances of making it through his first term without being shot at are very low; the the VP issue will be key
Then of course we have to realize Obama's chances of making it through his first term without being shot at are very low; the the VP issue will be key
This is America, dude, not fucking Pakistan or something. His chances of surviving the next five years are probably at least as good as yours or mine.
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This method would be particularly effective in keeping FoC from pulling the trigger.
America is actually due for political assassination. It's been a little too quite lately.
IIRC a major reason Powell chose not to run was out of fear of assassination.
I dont think we should ever be due for assassination, that kind of backwards thinking only supports the concept you simp.
IIRC a major reason Powell chose not to run was out of fear of assassination.
thats what I said.
I can't even get over how distinguished mentally-challenged it sounds to hear a black person talking about how Obama is campaigning for a deathwish.
distinguished mentally-challenged.
PD, what did Ron Paul say to Own the rest of the candidates? You mentioned that he did and I didnt get to watch the debate.
FOX kept asking him forward, biased questions to trip him up but everytime he was able to respond with a valid argument. First he was asked "well sir since we're talking about electability...do you have any?" He basically said he should have it because he's the only true conservative on the ballot. Then he was asked if he was a 911 truther, and if not why did he "allow" them to support his campaign or believe what they believe. Which is an utterly stupid question. He said he didn't believe the 911 crap and more importantly, it wasn't his business to tell people what they should believe.
NEW YORK, N.Y. — Dogged by continuing racial tensions around her presidential campaign, Hillary Rodham Clinton drew a smattering of boos on Monday when she spoke at a religiously tinged Martin Luther King Jr. rally put together by a union organizing predominantly black security workers.http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7883.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7883.html)
The catcalls came when Clinton was introduced and her speech drew only tepid applause compared to the boisterous ovations drawn by many of the pastors and reverends — not to mention a hip-hop artist and slam poet — who took the podium before her.
Her participation in the event drew nary a mention during nearly two hours of speeches, performances, prayers and acknowledgments. But she was a late addition to the event — SEIU Local 32BJ President Michael Fishman said he didn't know Clinton would be there until he arrived at the rally. The SEIU affiliate supports Clinton, though a union official stressed that the event was not a Clinton campaign rally.
The New York senator called on the roughly 2,500, mostly black attendees “to fulfill [King’s] unfinished dream and to live the legacy that we have inherited.” Some of her biggest applause came when she cited her rival for the Democratic nomination, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, who had his share of supporters at the event.
“How many of us ever dreamed that we would see the day when a woman and an African-American are running for the presidency of the United States of America?” Clinton asked, referring to herself and Obama.
Even though the event was billed as a rally for an SEIU affiliate celebrating King’s legacy and Clinton was a late-addition, the less-than-enthusiastic reception was still noteworthy. It took place in Clinton’s backyard and came as she is making extensive efforts to put the kibosh on the racially tinged controversy swirling around her campaign.
Black voters will be key in South Carolina’s pivotal Jan. 26 Democratic primary, in which they are expected to cast about half the ballots.
On Sunday, in a “Meet The Press” interview taped during a visit to Columbia, S.C., Clinton accused Obama of “deliberately distorting” her assertion that “it took a president” — Lyndon Johnson — to implement civil rights legislation King had advocated.
Clinton has repeatedly said her comments were taken out of context. On Monday, she told the crowd: “Both Sen. Obama and I know that we are where we are today because of leaders like Dr. King.”
SEIU Local 32BJ represents more than 85,000 cleaners, doormen, porters, maintenance workers and window cleaners in the mid-Atlantic region.
Attendance was encouraged by prominent New York pastors including the Rev. Johnny Ray Youngblood of St. Paul Community Baptist Church in Brooklyn, and the union, which gave members credit for attending that could be used to earn money for organizing activities.
The union endorsed Clinton last year, but Fishman didn’t mention her in an impassioned speech about the union’s effort to organize security workers.
New York Democratic Reps. Gregory Meeks and Anthony Weiner, both of whom have also endorsed Clinton, touted the union’s efforts in speeches that didn’t mention Clinton.
Weiner, in fact, cited Obama’s campaign as emblematic of the progress toward racial equality since King’s assassination.
“Today we have an African-American standing to be president of the United States,” he said to loud applause.
It’s unclear if the boos stemmed from support for Obama, though random Politico.com interviews found as many Obama supporters and undecided voters as Clinton backers.
“I’m happy to have her, because I’m a member of 32BJ, but I’m supporting Sen. Obama,” said Elfatih Abusan, a 49-year-old maintenance worker, who traveled from his home in Washington, D.C., to the rally. “The people here did not open their hearts to her,” he said of Clinton.
“She’s all right,” said Eddie Davis, a 42-year-old union member from Brooklyn. He said he was still deciding between Clinton and Obama.
It may be too late. Clinton's lead in the Feb 5th states is pretty solid. Obama would need a lot of momentum and media attention to over-come that after NH. He needs to win both states prior to Feb 5th and hope for tons of media coverage. If Hillary breaks through in either state he is a dead man.
You know, the media and public perception are funny things. If it had swung the other way in NH- if Obama had won by two stinking percentage points- then he'd have "momentum" and people would still be "clamoring for change". Instead, Hillary wins and the dialog is something different. Nevermind the fact that they both took the same amount of delegates from the state...
Sigh. I guess we're looking at candidate Hillary losing to President McCain in November. The democrats really never learn, do they?
My dad is on Obama's election board so often we wind up talking about this. Obama's positions aren't much different from Hillary's, or any of the top tier dems. He's been successful distancing himself with a message of "hope" and "change"...but of which aren't substantial policies. He's been against the war from the start which is a definite plus to me, but I can't think of any other reason to support him over Hillary - that has nothing to do with my personal distaste for her of course.
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
FINAL EXIT POLLS SHOW: Romney 34, McCain 28, Huckabee 17... Developing...JESUS IS NUMBER THREE :(
ron who?
PD you aren't a registered independent. Michigan doesn't allow anyone to register by party. Everyone in the state is technically a independent.
Also I voted yesterday too.
FOR ROMNEY. Now I hope Huckabee pulls out a win in SC. I want McCain's campaign to die.
ron who?
That about wraps it up for Obama.
The media has been taking potshot after potshot at Hillary but she keeps winning. Despite the numerous foot-in-mouth moments, she continues to clean up. The best situation if Obama wants a shot is if Edwards drops out and backs Obama 100% Even then, there is no guarantee.
my mom is really, really, really pissed off about the press's treatment of Hillary and is threatening to disown me if I vote for Obama. at one point she said she was so annoyed she'd vote for any female candidate over any male candidate even if the female candidate were Nancy Reagan or Ann Coulter, although she later retracted that on the grounds that Nancy Reagan and Ann Coulter are not human and therefore not in fact women.
The 4% result in delegates is a function of the 15% caucus threshold, no? His first-choice support was around 11%
Hillary will be our next president. get used to it folks.
Hillary will be our next president. get used to it folks.
1. McCain would beat Hillary in a general, write it down. I'm still not convinced she'll ever be president, unless she runs against Ron PaulHow. You have no logical reasoning outside lol polls. This is a economic election, not a foreign policy one. How does McCain win in that.
Ron Paul could beat hillary. If the election is about the economy then Ron Paul is the man. He is the only one willing to even talk about monetary policy.:lol
Ron Paul could beat hillary. If the election is about the economy then Ron Paul is the man. He is the only one willing to even talk about monetary policy.people dont care about that. they care about home foreclosures.
people dont care about that. they care about home foreclosures.
Ron Paul could beat hillary. If the election is about the economy then Ron Paul is the man. He is the only one willing to even talk about monetary policy.:lol
:lol :lolRon Paul could beat hillary. If the election is about the economy then Ron Paul is the man. He is the only one willing to even talk about monetary policy.:lol
Tell me how hillary would beat Ron Paul in a general election. Lets pretend they are running against each other.
Ron Paul gets the republican votes, (Pro life etc...)
Ron Paul gets the majority of all 3rd party support
Ron Paul gets the anti-war vote (The Michael Moore crowd would probably support Ron Paul over hillary)
Ron Paul gets the ecenomic vote for people who arent distinguished mentally-challenged.
Hillary gets he vote from fucking stupid as hell women.
Someone who can't win a primary state can't win a general election
Someone who can't win a primary state can't win a general election
Tell me how the match up with hillary vs. ron paul would play out.
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americans care about: THEIR KIDS' HEALTH, THEIR OWN HEALTH, JESUS, HANDOUTS, ABORTIONS and THEM DIRTY MEXICANS in that order. ron paul really only plays to the THEM DIRTY MEXICANS set.
Well Prole did forget the "legalize it" voting bloc.
Well, looks like this country is fucked.
did you miss his entire immigration platform?
It is funny how he goes up to the podium and stresses about how much he wants to eliminate the Department of Education but then wants to talk about being a serious candidate.
I found out that the cute receptionist at work went to a Ron Paul meetup this weekend ;___;
boner killer maximus
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/border-security-and-immigration-reform/ -- start readin',
boner killer maximus
Ron Paul could beat hillary. If the election is about the economy then Ron Paul is the man. He is the only one willing to even talk about monetary policy.
That being said Hillary is Bush 2.0 but even worse. She whats to increase the size of the government even more than bush did. Jesus it's almost unthinkable.
You missed when The Left was whining about the Bush tax cuts,
attempt at Social Security privatization,They dont talk about this much anymore.
corporate giveaways in the Medicaid drug benefit,The left would have done the same thing as Bush.
lack of action on global warming,
conservative Supreme Court nominees, etc?I have never heard Obama or hillary mention that.
She voted for the war and the patriot act. Two of the most hated things the bush administration has done. She is very similar to Bush.
Roughly 6 in 10 South Carolina Democratic primary voters said Bill Clinton's campaigning was important in how they ultimately decided to vote, and of those voters, 48 percent went for Barack Obama while only 37 percent went for Hillary Clinton. Fourteen percent of those voters voted for John Edwards.
Yea, but then he'd probably stay in the race longer. It's time for him to get the fuck out and endorse Obamarama
Clintons are getting mauled by the press over some race card stuff lol.
Actually Slate just posted an article a few days ago, so welcome to shut your mouth before I make your special ed teacher do it for you.
Actually Slate just posted an article a few days ago, so welcome to shut your mouth before I make your special ed teacher do it for you.
You're an idiot. Cable news has been talking about the clintons brining up race since 2 weeks before SC.
MAF is right: it's still being talked about, and is still a big issue. It's the main reason Kennedy decided to come out and endorse Obama
Why would I answer you? You supported Ron Paul. I might as well discuss SC with a 5th grader.
MAF is right: it's still being talked about, and is still a big issue. It's the main reason Kennedy decided to come out and endorse Obama
Are you saying that the media didnt talk about race before SC?
:o
The point is that the media talked about race before SC, and is continuing to talk about it today. It's not "old news" as you characterized it. The story is getting bigger sadly, and divisions are popping up; I wonder if these divisions will carry into November assuming Hillary wins the nomination
Who else would explain his choice between Clinton and Obama in these terms?:lol :lol :lol
...and he said he likes Obama, telling a story about how Obama saved him during one of last year's Democratic debates:
(Richardson): "I had just been asked a question -- I don't remember which one -- and Obama was sitting right next to me. Then the moderator went across the room, I think to Chris Dodd, so I thought I was home free for a while. I wasn't going to listen to the next question. I was about to say something to Obama when the moderator turned to me and said, 'So, Gov. Richardson, what do you think of that?' But I wasn't paying any attention! I was about to say, 'Could you repeat the question? I wasn't listening.' But I wasn't about to say I wasn't listening. I looked at Obama. I was just horrified. And Obama whispered, 'Katrina. Katrina.' The question was on Katrina! So I said, 'On Katrina, my policy . . .' Obama could have just thrown me under the bus. So I said, 'Obama, that was good of you to do that.'"
HOMESCHOOLED
It's news from 2 weeks ago. I was right.
i told people at work to vote (its based in FL) for ron paul and they all laughed
When something is originally reported != when it becomes "news"
Pelosi unofficially endorses Obama but it looks like she is starting to be open about it:
"Did you ever see anything like that?" asked Pelosi. "Transferring the mantle from John F. Kennedy to Barack Obama. It was the most stunning thing. I mean, I couldn't take my eyes off it. And I didn't have any time to sit there and watch TV, you know - we had a whole schedule. I just was mesmerized by it."
(CNN) – Rudy Giuliani may drop out of the Republican presidential race and endorse John McCain, perhaps as soon as Wednesday, GOP sources tell CNN.
One source says there have been "ongoing discussuons" between the Giuliani campaign and Rick Davis about the move.
A source close to Giuliani confirms the discussions, and says there is staff talk of arranging it Wednesday in California. The source said the principals still need to talk, but "we are working to make it happen."
(CNN) — John McCain has long had trouble courting the most conservative members of his party, and exit polls of Florida Republican primary voters show a sizeable number continue not to support him.
According to the exit polls, 62 percent of primary voters identified themselves as conservative and 37 percent of them voted for Mitt Romney, compared to the 27 percent who went for McCain.
But McCain is the overwhelming favorite among the 28 percent of Republican voters who identified themselves as moderate, and the 11 percent who said they were liberal. The Arizona senator beats Romney among moderates 40-22 percent, and among liberals 46 percent to 25 percent.
I was thinking more along the lines of Secretary of 911 Rudolph Giuliani.
You do realize that the majority of the country currently supports candidates that wont make it.I had to read this twice.
Oh fuck Obama is screwed :lolExactly. Edwards HELPED obama in SC. Edwards soaked up a chunk of the racist white vote down south.
Was your daddy born rich, Jake? Must be hard identifying with people who had to work their way up.No he wasn't. His parents didnt have much money. Same with my mom. My dad's dad worked a blue collar job at Ford and my mom's dad was a Fireman. My dad was really one of the first on his side to really make a lot of money.
Jacob's daddy is getting him an intern position with one of the big accounting firms. SMHI take advantage of what I got!
Was your daddy born rich, Jake? Must be hard identifying with people who had to work their way up.No he wasn't. His parents didnt have much money. Same with my mom. My dad's dad worked a blue collar job at Ford and my mom's dad was a Fireman. My dad was really one of the first on his side to really make a lot of money.
Ron Paul never looks good. Or looked good. Sorry!
Ron Paul never looks good. Or looked good. Sorry!
Mccain.
At least McCain has 21st century psychoses!
You realize he never said that right
Mccain will beat clinton.
Well, Romney needs to firm up his national security credentials, fast. Recruit people like Tommy Franks & yes Rumsfeld (who has more respect from Conservatives than McCain ). Republicans Respect Bush (remember the applause when Bush was mentioned).
When McCain challenges Romney on Military, why not show Reagan & Bush - how they handled crisis?
That's why the left likes high turn out elections.
The higher the turnout, the dumber the voter, on average.
There are only so many knowledgeable voters to go around. Enough sheeple, idiots, crooks, felons, illegals and dead people can always overwhelm them.
Then they yell and scream that the Right is stealing elections, such as the 2000 Presidential election and the problems with Diebold machines, both as a smoke screen for their own shenanigans, and in order to rile up the sheeple and herd them into the polling booth.
Add to these his, seemingly, loss of memory as to what REAL torture is and his desire to seek the approval of the left wing media and I am left to wonder HOW ANYONE who considers themselves a “conservative” can actually support this man. There is FAR more to this race than the abortion issue. How will his conservative supporters feel when countries like China and Cuba are added to the OTHER anti-American countries who hold us hostage over oil when we could WELL be supplying our own needs? Both of these countries are now drilling in the Gulf even as our “environmentalists” will not allow US to.
For the pro-lifers out there ( and I am MOST definately one) I MUST ask- do you REALLY trust this man to appoint SC justices like Roberts? Do you? Really? A man who loves- NEEDS- the press to “love” him? His lack of a reality check is quite enough to turn me off. The fact that the pop media has endorsed him is all one needs to know if you haven’t a clue about the OTHER issues in the race.
It would be nice to have a TRUE conservative to vote for; a real small government, tax cutting, pro-military, pro life, strict Constitutionalist conservative with SOME knowledge of basic economics and an appreciation of capitalism and a reverence for Reaganism...but we don’t have one. All in all, however, a vote for McCain is a vote for whichever of the two idiots the demonRATs vote for.
Get this VERY straight: the left keeps telling us that McCain is our best bet. They love to call him a “maverick” (and he and some of YOU think this is a GOOD thing). They “endorse” him. We are told the press loves him, that he is a “conservative” when we SHOULD know better by now. But make NO mistake- they are supporting him because they truly believe HE is THE ONE THEY CAN BEAT.
Wanna see something funny? Watch McCain’s meltdown when his “friends” on the left turn on him because they all support Hillary.
This man is not STABLE enough to be president. Grow up. “Beating hillary” is NOT the most important thing here.
All the candidates were wrong on global warming, not just those three. Hunter and Tancredo were the only ones I recall that didn’t seem to really buy into it completely. But to one extent or another they all had moments of GW crap-think, although a few had only indirect involvement.
Sorry,
He is not A WAR HERO.
Yes he was locked in a Viet-Nam prison, but that doesn't make you a WAR HERO.
The man is dangerous and I can't believe I am saying this, but we would be better off with with HITLERY. Why? THE JIMMY CARTER EFFECT.
I stopped reading where it said that John McCain is the “right candidate” for the GOP. Juan McAztlan is the perfect candidate for the democratic/amnesty party. His future running mate, Mike “Open Borders for Jesus” Huckleberry has the Jim Bakker or if you like, Elmer Gantry act down pat to fool a good portion of the evangelicals that McInsane loathes but needs in the general election.
there are no conservatives for whom to vote...not for President.(http://760kfmb.com/rick_blog/imglib/mccain5.jpg)
Sure there are. We have sat back and allowed the enemedia and the "powerful elites" in the party to choose our candidate. THAT is the problem!
218 posted on 01/30/2008 7:51:41 AM PST by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
I was thinking of making it my own avatar but I guess I got beat to the punch. It doesn't really work in the avatar format anyway.I need to shrink it and such but I am at school now lolol
I thought Paul had some slam dunk responses last night.
Hillary's kicking Obama's ass in crowd reactions. It's sad. I mean she give such regurgitated answers and then all the women throw their panties at her, you know?
I will say this right now, I will swallow my testicles and vote for her if she becomes the nomination but I won't like it. at all.
After the debacle in New Hampshire, I'm reticent about ever posting about polls again. With that disclaimer, check out Gallup's latest tracking poll. With twenty-two states voting on Super Tuesday, we're at the point where national polls matter. And Hillary Clinton's lead over Barack Obama, recently in double-digits, is now down to four.
On January 20, Clinton had a twenty point lead over Obama. But since then Obama's numbers have steadily increased, while Clinton's have dipped slightly. In key February 5 states, the numbers are also getting closer. According to the latest Rasmussen poll, Clinton is up only three points in California, compared to other polls that showed her with a double-digit advantage there. In Massachusetts, Obama was down 28 points earlier in the month. Now he's down 6. He can thank Teddy Kennedy for the bounce. (It's too soon to know the effect of John Edwards' departure, although the numbers last night, according to Gallup "show no clear indication that either candidate is benefiting disproportionately."
That said, Clinton retains an advantage in virtually every major February 5 state, with the exception of Obama's home turf of Illinois. The numbers are trending Obama's way across the country. But he may not have enough time to make up the difference. If Super Tuesday were on February 12 instead of February 5, the outcome could be very different.
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free republic is the best site ever
hillary and mccain are almsot the same damn person.
hillary and mccain are almsot the same damn person.
jesus fucking christ would you stop with the bullshit already? either you're being purposely obtuse or you're just a god damn distinguished mentally-challenged fellow
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free republic is the best site ever
Fear of reconquista has to be one of the most bizarre political memes I've ever seen get traction.
FoC, stop being a stupid little shithead. We can all see why Ann would prefer Hillary. It's really obvious to anybody who has eyes.
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free republic is the best site ever
Fear of reconquista has to be one of the most bizarre political memes I've ever seen get traction.
it's not a new meme. remember in the late 80s, when the japanese were buying up us real estate? "they want to get us back for dubya-dubya-too!" the conservatards shrieked. "it's an economic midway, and they're winning!" it had a lot of traction in the midwest, especially when honda/toyota were kicking the big 3 to the curb in overall us sales.
I wonder how many of Obama's fervent fans on GAF are actually planning on voting tomorrow. Amir0x is in NY right?
I'm not posting a bunch of polls here, like on GAF. Polls are meaningless right now. After all the spin, tears, and hype, it's time for the reckoning. I expect Hillary to win the most states and delegates tomorrow, but Obama should stay close enough to survive. That's all he needs to do.
Polls is polls
Does anyone know if you have to be a registered Democrat to vote in NY?
Polls is polls
Does anyone know if you have to be a registered Democrat to vote in NY?
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Polls is polls
Does anyone know if you have to be a registered Democrat to vote in NY?
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times your response by 2,000,000=lost Obama voters lol
Yeah, I'm going tonite to vote in the primary.
It's more based on her living in the White House for eight years and being intimately-involved in policy decisions, to the extent that the Clinton Administration was often called a "co-Presidency; she was regarded as the most-powerful and influential first-lady since Eleanor Roosevelt; even when she wasn't married / a first-lady, she was involved in national politics. Is it possible to be an Obama fanboy without trying to negatively-spin Hitlery's accomplishments and accolades?
Second Wave Numbers
Alabama: Obama 60, Clinton 37
Arizona: Obama 51, Clinton 45
Arkansas: Clinton 72, Obama 26
Connecticut: Obama 53, Clinton 45
Delaware: Obama 56, Clinton 42
Georgia: Obama 75, Clinton 26
Illinois: Obama 70, Clinton 30
Massachusetts: Obama 50, Clinton 48
Missouri: Obama 50, Clinton 46
New Jersey: Obama 53, Clinton 47
New York: Clinton 56, Obama 43
Oklahoma: Clinton 61, Obama 31
Tennessee: Clinton 52, Obama 41.1
First Wave Numbers
California: Clinton 50, Obama 47
New Mexico: Obama 52, Clinton 47
Utah: Obama 61, Clinton 40
Early exit pollsQuoteSecond Wave Numbers
Alabama: Obama 60, Clinton 37
Arizona: Obama 51, Clinton 45
Arkansas: Clinton 72, Obama 26
Connecticut: Obama 53, Clinton 45
Delaware: Obama 56, Clinton 42
Georgia: Obama 75, Clinton 26
Illinois: Obama 70, Clinton 30
Massachusetts: Obama 50, Clinton 48
Missouri: Obama 50, Clinton 46
New Jersey: Obama 53, Clinton 47
New York: Clinton 56, Obama 43
Oklahoma: Clinton 61, Obama 31
Tennessee: Clinton 52, Obama 41.1
First Wave Numbers
California: Clinton 50, Obama 47
New Mexico: Obama 52, Clinton 47
Utah: Obama 61, Clinton 40
UH OH
No it's genuine support. I think--and I've said this before--Hillary faces a weird double-standard where she's either "too liberal" or "too conservative" depending on which side you think is worse, while Obama is regarded the same but depending on which side you think is better (if you follow). Essentially, both are cyphers for whatever you want to place on them.
Oh, and also I think Hillary can rally the base more, or at least the inevitable over-the-top attacks leveled upon her will rally the base more than the boring campaign of McCain vs Obama, where independents will fall asleep, sound in the knowledge that it won't matter in their minds who gets elected. Despite the star power, at this point I see low turnout in the JMC/BO race. I expect high turnout and a greater sense of there being a clear distinction between the two choices in a JMC/HC race. But I'm a bad prognosticator, so who knows.
DIRTY FUCKING LATINOS AND ASIANS ARE BREAKING FOR HILLARY IN DROVES IN CALIFORNIA
FUCK FUCK FUCKITY FUCK FUCK
DIRTY FUCKING LATINOS AND ASIANS ARE BREAKING FOR HILLARY IN DROVES IN CALIFORNIAdon't forget old people too.
FUCK FUCK FUCKITY FUCK FUCK
Told you all.
man I am going on a date tomorrow with a Latasian. I bet she voted for Hillary twice.
Hillary won't win. I already predicted this, Mandark.
You people are horrible at predicting stuff, i'd stop
Hillary is more than willing to fight back, and has said so before. Hell Bill already started the subtle sniping with McCain a few weeks ago when he basically said Hillary and McCain were good buddies; conservatives already question McCain's credentials, and this only muddies the waters even more.
But as I foretold long before Willco: Hillary wouldn't beat McCain. Last night I lost a bit of confidence in that prediction due to McCain's rather unimpressive wins in places like Arizona, but I still think he'd be able to preform competitively with two key groups in November: hispanics and independents. Bush got around 44% of that vote in 2004, and I could see McCain gaining even more.
I called it just days before it was official! They said it occured THIS WEEK. I am a soothsayer!
Microsoft buys Rare. THAT WAS ME.
I'm like a goddamn fortune teller!
Yeah, but you've been saying the Redskins are relevant for years and we all know that ain't the truth.
There is no fate but what we make. I cannot be one-hundred percent accurate as a result. I was blinded by emotions.
Here - no emotions. I'm giving it to you straight. Real talk. Hillary vs McCain. Democrats lose another one due to dumb primaries and propping up the wrong candidates.
Anyone else in Washington (MAF, Prole, TVC, Droz, etc.) going to their local caucus on Saturday? The one for my precinct in Seattle is at the high school right across the street from my house, which makes it really easy.
Anyone else in Washington (MAF, Prole, TVC, Droz, etc.) going to their local caucus on Saturday? The one for my precinct in Seattle is at the high school right across the street from my house, which makes it really easy.
Probably not. WA always goes dem and I dont really have super strong feelings towards either candidate anymore.
Listen. And understand. That Jew is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you pay him back!
Yeah, but you've been saying the Redskins are relevant for years and we all know that ain't the truth.
Hey, aren't you an Atlanta fan? SMH.spoiler (click to show/hide)SMH = So much homo![close]
Listen. And understand. That Jew is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you pay him back!
TERMINATOR JEW: JUDGMENT CLAY
Listen. And understand. That Jew is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you pay him back!
ONE GOLEM HAS BEEN SENT BACK IN TIME TO CHANGE THE COURSE OF HISTORY
TERMINATOR JEW: JUDGMENT CLAY
Listen. And understand. That Jew is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you pay him back!
ONE GOLEM HAS BEEN SENT BACK IN TIME TO CHANGE THE COURSE OF HISTORY
TERMINATOR JEW: JUDGMENT CLAY
A lone warrior, a gentile, was sent back in time to protect me from the Jew. The Jew had been sent back to 1984 to collect on the debts my son, John, had owed him in the future before he was even born. He failed. Now the Jews had sent back another debt collector to bargain with John when he was a teenager, but the gentiles also sent back a protector. It was just a question of whom would get to him first.
T-JEW
JUDGMENT CLAY
Hillary is obviously a fighter, but I disagree with the idea that anything the Clinton campaign has done up to this point is the equivalent of scorch-and-burn tactics and not, well, simply self-serving and devious / equivocating spin, ie the bedrock of politicking since the beginning of time (OMG CHANGE).
VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY will appear on television every ten minutes.
Hillary has too much baggage. I can't wait 'till she gets the nomination so VETERANS FOR VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY start their ad attacks.
VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY will appear on television every ten minutes.
I'm watching Obama's speech from last night. The dude commands a crowd with such ease - reminds me of Castro, Hitler, JKF, etc. He loves repeating empty mantra over and over; change, change, hope, red states blue states United States, etc. But my heart is still pumping.
Alas, my mind is more important than my heart. Go Hillary
Frag: The second half of my big post was mostly directed at you. To repeat a question from earlier, when did she get this reputation as an effective political fighter?
Hillary wont be the president. Mccain will obliterate her.Who gives a fuck about your opinion *cough*ronpaul*cough*
So ultimately your concerns are based on the concept that, when you've always been fighting you won't realize there's no longer something to fight?
Mccain will get the independent vote and Hillary will get the Socialists. HIllary will talk about how much george bush sucks and Mccain will remind everyone that he doesnt walk in line with the GOP. Hillary will go on and on about the war and mccain will point to her record. In the end of the day Mccain will win because of taxes.People won't pay attention to such broad generalizations after 8 years when we're in the beginning of another recession. And sorry, but most people supporting Hillary aren't "socialists" you baboon.
Again I find it difficult to see why, after years of saying passivity in the face of Republican policies was a losing strategy (and anyone who could see the other side's perspective, a traitor), the solution is to... embrace passivity? If you're an agent of change, wouldn't the idea be to roll-back all the things you cried about over the last eight years, uncompromisingly? Hillary is obviously a fighter, but I disagree with the idea that anything the Clinton campaign has done up to this point is the equivalent of scorch-and-burn tactics and not, well, simply self-serving and devious / equivocating spin, ie the bedrock of politicking since the beginning of time (OMG CHANGE). The suggestion that supporting a fighter over feel-good acquiescence is the equivalent of believing in viciousness for the sake of viciousness falls short IMO.
McCain and his policy towards Vietnamese POW/MIAs post 1973 is a huge weapon Hillary can wield against McCain.
saying if he continued it would "forestall the launch of a national campaign and be making it easier for Sen. Clinton or Obama to win."
"In this time of war, I simply cannot let my campaign be a part of aiding a surrender to terror."
You do know Obama is a Muslim amirite?
You do know Obama is a Muslim amirite?
HOW ABOUT THOSE "ROMNEY WILL BEAT HILLARY" PREDICTIONS, MAURICE? HUH? HUH?
You do know Obama is a Muslim amirite?
HOW ABOUT THOSE "ROMNEY WILL BEAT HILLARY" PREDICTIONS, MAURICE? HUH? HUH?
My new talking point: McCain will beat Hillary
If you look at the primaries/caucuses between now and the 4th, it's not unreasonable to assume that Obama might win ALL of them. The only opportunities I see for Hillary are Maine, Virginia and Wisconsin, and at best she might win 2 of them. Maybe.
So if Obama wins every contest between now and the 4th, and his Iowa/SC team is ALREADY on the ground in Tejas... I just don't see how she does it. The fact that her name is Hillary Clinton is not enough anymore, and I say good because this was never supposed to be a coronation and that's EXACTLY what she treated it like.
a year ago i thought it would be funny if hillary became president, but then my attitude has changed
brand identity can work great (the Adams crew) or horribly (the bush legacy) but i think it's too soon to try again
If you look at the primaries/caucuses between now and the 4th, it's not unreasonable to assume that Obama might win ALL of them. The only opportunities I see for Hillary are Maine, Virginia and Wisconsin, and at best she might win 2 of them. Maybe.
So if Obama wins every contest between now and the 4th, and his Iowa/SC team is ALREADY on the ground in Tejas... I just don't see how she does it. The fact that her name is Hillary Clinton is not enough anymore, and I say good because this was never supposed to be a coronation and that's EXACTLY what she treated it like.
Are you joking? She's going to basically split the next few states with Obama - he'll win more states, she'll get a good amount of delegates. Then she'll win the big states later in March, Texas (huge hispanic population) and Ohio
:lol
I would not have expected you to take the "Obama will sweep" position. He'll win most of those states, maybe all - but I don't see him blowing her out outside of LA and Hawaii. The delegates in Texas and Ohio will more than make up for it anyway
Washington- caucus state with plenty of yuppies, Obama polling up by 22 points
I didn't think the primary was until the 19th????
:lol
I would not have expected you to take the "Obama will sweep" position. He'll win most of those states, maybe all - but I don't see him blowing her out outside of LA and Hawaii. The delegates in Texas and Ohio will more than make up for it anyway
Virginia's governor (Kaine) was pretty damn awesome at the dinner. :lol
I heard he was on Obama's possible VP list
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No no no. NO.
After all your BS, I want pictures of you eating your own poop. Not "solid weekend for Obama" when he swept her ass by double digits in every contest and is poised to do the same on Tuesday.
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i'm not paying attention to this election at all but i'm voting for obama becuz he's black
too bad the chances of him getting assassinated are 95%
i'm not paying attention to this election at all but i'm voting for obama becuz he's black
too bad the chances of him getting assassinated are 95%
yeah bloodwake, it'll definitely be over by May.
CNN
Clinton:1,148
Obama:1,121
MSNBC
Clinton:895
Obama:943
Politico
Clinton:1,064
Obama:1,029
FNC
Clinton:1,127
Obama:1,093
Counting numbers if fun. And Clinton replaced her Campaign manager for failing to lock in the nomination by Super Tuesday. It's awesome how the election is still neck-and-neck after Super Tuesday. Obama will win of course though.
Superdelegates are going to secure Hillary's victory.
Obama is going to need to win pretty much everything from here on out to cancel out the superdelegates Hillary will probably receive. SD's are the only reason why Hillary has any kind of lead over Obama. If Hillary wins by SDs, then there will be serious, serious problems for the Democrats, which will practically secure a McCain victory.
Superdelegates are going to secure Hillary's victory.
Obama is going to need to win pretty much everything from here on out to cancel out the superdelegates Hillary will probably receive. SD's are the only reason why Hillary has any kind of lead over Obama. If Hillary wins by SDs, then there will be serious, serious problems for the Democrats, which will practically secure a McCain victory.
There were rumblings about Dean not wanting this to still be contested going into the convention. While I've always figured super delegates would secure Clinton's victory I wonder if the party is starting to realize that if that happens it would destroy the dem's 08 chances. Obama has already said that he's not convinced his supporters will support Clinton - the bad blood is undeniable. If Obama goes into the convention with a 60-100 delegate lead on Clinton, and SD's still go for Clinton...damn. It would be disastrous, but at the same time it would ensure an Obama sweep in 2012
Superdelegates are going to secure Hillary's victory.
Obama is going to need to win pretty much everything from here on out to cancel out the superdelegates Hillary will probably receive. SD's are the only reason why Hillary has any kind of lead over Obama. If Hillary wins by SDs, then there will be serious, serious problems for the Democrats, which will practically secure a McCain victory.
There were rumblings about Dean not wanting this to still be contested going into the convention. While I've always figured super delegates would secure Clinton's victory I wonder if the party is starting to realize that if that happens it would destroy the dem's 08 chances. Obama has already said that he's not convinced his supporters will support Clinton - the bad blood is undeniable. If Obama goes into the convention with a 60-100 delegate lead on Clinton, and SD's still go for Clinton...damn. It would be disastrous, but at the same time it would ensure an Obama sweep in 2012
The race is over after March 4th. She'll lose Texas AND Ohio. She'll drop out.
Superdelegates are going to secure Hillary's victory.
Obama is going to need to win pretty much everything from here on out to cancel out the superdelegates Hillary will probably receive. SD's are the only reason why Hillary has any kind of lead over Obama. If Hillary wins by SDs, then there will be serious, serious problems for the Democrats, which will practically secure a McCain victory.
There were rumblings about Dean not wanting this to still be contested going into the convention. While I've always figured super delegates would secure Clinton's victory I wonder if the party is starting to realize that if that happens it would destroy the dem's 08 chances. Obama has already said that he's not convinced his supporters will support Clinton - the bad blood is undeniable. If Obama goes into the convention with a 60-100 delegate lead on Clinton, and SD's still go for Clinton...damn. It would be disastrous, but at the same time it would ensure an Obama sweep in 2012
The race is over after March 4th. She'll lose Texas AND Ohio. She'll drop out.
That's a bold claim.
Superdelegates are going to secure Hillary's victory.
Obama is going to need to win pretty much everything from here on out to cancel out the superdelegates Hillary will probably receive. SD's are the only reason why Hillary has any kind of lead over Obama. If Hillary wins by SDs, then there will be serious, serious problems for the Democrats, which will practically secure a McCain victory.
There were rumblings about Dean not wanting this to still be contested going into the convention. While I've always figured super delegates would secure Clinton's victory I wonder if the party is starting to realize that if that happens it would destroy the dem's 08 chances. Obama has already said that he's not convinced his supporters will support Clinton - the bad blood is undeniable. If Obama goes into the convention with a 60-100 delegate lead on Clinton, and SD's still go for Clinton...damn. It would be disastrous, but at the same time it would ensure an Obama sweep in 2012
The race is over after March 4th. She'll lose Texas AND Ohio. She'll drop out.
Superdelegates are going to secure Hillary's victory.
Obama is going to need to win pretty much everything from here on out to cancel out the superdelegates Hillary will probably receive. SD's are the only reason why Hillary has any kind of lead over Obama. If Hillary wins by SDs, then there will be serious, serious problems for the Democrats, which will practically secure a McCain victory.
There were rumblings about Dean not wanting this to still be contested going into the convention. While I've always figured super delegates would secure Clinton's victory I wonder if the party is starting to realize that if that happens it would destroy the dem's 08 chances. Obama has already said that he's not convinced his supporters will support Clinton - the bad blood is undeniable. If Obama goes into the convention with a 60-100 delegate lead on Clinton, and SD's still go for Clinton...damn. It would be disastrous, but at the same time it would ensure an Obama sweep in 2012
The race is over after March 4th. She'll lose Texas AND Ohio. She'll drop out.
:lol
I dunno. Things had best get decided soon. The longer this drags out, the worse it is for the Democrats.
If Hillary gets the nom, I'm not voting this year, though. Fuck her DINO ass.
PD is right again! :lol
Another rat off Hillary's ship tonight, but she has a Spanish boy on stage with her so its ok
PD is right again! :lol
Another rat off Hillary's ship tonight, but she has a Spanish boy on stage with her so its ok
I'm sinking with the ship: if she loses Texas I'm not only banned, but I'm switching sides. It's hard to defend her latest slavo of comments on the irrelevance of various states; she's dismissing Obama's latest wins in red states, saying they don't matter since the dems won't win them in November...then she takes a plane ride to Texas to campaign until March. Wow
Well, I got to vote for one Edwards (http://www.donnaedwardsforcongress.com/)[/u] who won. That was nice.
“I want to congratulate Sen. Obama on his recent victories and tell him to meet me in Texas. We’re ready,” she said, before brushing off questions about her apparent struggles by saying, “that’s what I always thought would happen. So we are very well positioned to compete in these big states and that’s what I intend to do. This is a long journey to the nomination. Some weeks one of us is up and the other is down, and then we reverse it . . . It’s a long and winding road.”
It's amazing how she's willing to totally shrug off the value of a dozen or so states, just like that. It's kind of pathetic to just keep saying that only big states like TX/OH/NY/CA matter. It's insulting to... every other state.
“I want to congratulate Sen. Obama on his recent victories and tell him to meet me in Texas. We’re ready,” she said, before brushing off questions about her apparent struggles by saying, “that’s what I always thought would happen. So we are very well positioned to compete in these big states and that’s what I intend to do. This is a long journey to the nomination. Some weeks one of us is up and the other is down, and then we reverse it . . . It’s a long and winding road.”
It's amazing how she's willing to totally shrug off the value of a dozen or so states, just like that. It's kind of pathetic to just keep saying that only big states like TX/OH/NY/CA matter. It's insulting to... every other state.
“I want to congratulate Sen. Obama on his recent victories and tell him to meet me in Texas. We’re ready,” she said, before brushing off questions about her apparent struggles by saying, “that’s what I always thought would happen. So we are very well positioned to compete in these big states and that’s what I intend to do. This is a long journey to the nomination. Some weeks one of us is up and the other is down, and then we reverse it . . . It’s a long and winding road.”
It's amazing how she's willing to totally shrug off the value of a dozen or so states, just like that. It's kind of pathetic to just keep saying that only big states like TX/OH/NY/CA matter. It's insulting to... every other state.
You don't think the electoral system is insulting to every other state?
“I want to congratulate Sen. Obama on his recent victories and tell him to meet me in Texas. We’re ready,” she said, before brushing off questions about her apparent struggles by saying, “that’s what I always thought would happen. So we are very well positioned to compete in these big states and that’s what I intend to do. This is a long journey to the nomination. Some weeks one of us is up and the other is down, and then we reverse it . . . It’s a long and winding road.”
It's amazing how she's willing to totally shrug off the value of a dozen or so states, just like that. It's kind of pathetic to just keep saying that only big states like TX/OH/NY/CA matter. It's insulting to... every other state.
Pretty much. I would like to add that if Obama wins Texas, I will laugh harder than I ever have in my life.
Dean's 50 state plan makes much more sense than shooting for the big states and leaving everything else to god and Diebold. Obama has the right idea
Dean's 50 state plan makes much more sense than shooting for the big states and leaving everything else to god and Diebold. Obama has the right idea
Which would imply that Hillary Clinton has... what exactly?
“I want to congratulate Sen. Obama on his recent victories and tell him to meet me in Texas. We’re ready,” she said, before brushing off questions about her apparent struggles by saying, “that’s what I always thought would happen. So we are very well positioned to compete in these big states and that’s what I intend to do. This is a long journey to the nomination. Some weeks one of us is up and the other is down, and then we reverse it . . . It’s a long and winding road.”
It's amazing how she's willing to totally shrug off the value of a dozen or so states, just like that. It's kind of pathetic to just keep saying that only big states like TX/OH/NY/CA matter. It's insulting to... every other state.
You don't think the electoral system is insulting to every other state?
Is the electoral system trying to get people to vote for it and present itself as the most electable candidate?
And the electoral college benefits the other states, not insults them.
Yeah, it's cool that Wynn got the boot. No more free rides for skeezy dems.
Tom Scholz, of Boston fame, has asked Huckabee to stop using his song "More Than A Feeling" in support of a campaign "the polar opposite of most everything Boston stands for."
"I'm an Obama supporter", said Scholz.
“By using my song, and my band’s name Boston, you have taken something of mine and used it to promote ideas to which I am opposed. In other words, I think I’ve been ripped off, dude!”
Fred Bramante, who was chairman of Huckabee's New Hampshire campaign, called the allegations ridiculous.
Scholz is not the only rocker to object to a candidate's use of his music. John Mellencamp, who endorsed John Edward's failed candidacy, asked Sen. John McCain to stop using his song “Our Country.”