I simply said some speculate, which they do.
That said, the point I was making is that older lefties understand the importance of class solidarity. That was the argument I was making. That real change is mroe likely through organising under class than race.
Who is telling you to choose?
And I never said identity politics is a trick by the establishment. I never suggested this at all.
Looking back, I misread something. My bad. Your actual position is that identity issues are not inclusive enough to get people who are not part of that identity on board so they fracture and divide. But genosse, this is still a false choice. Look at gay rights. Straight people made the choice to stand up for gay rights because they made a moral calculation to do so. Also, gay people organized together, along with their allies, for those rights, to solve that issue specific to their collective experience. An identity issue can only divide a class if people within that class choose to become enemies to the group in question whether than allies. So it reduces, again, to the simple question of whether you are an ally (on that issue) or not.
There is good news: we live in democracies (modulo the factor of corporate influence). When you disagree with some issue, you vote against it. When you agree, you vote for it. If this hypothetical working class bloke you are thinking of was
just about to reign in the finance sector, the tax evaders, and the rentiers, but the issue of, say, legitimizing sodomy turned him off, that says infinitely more about him and his alleged commitment to class issues than it does those who would put forth the identity issue in question.
I will grant you that this does apply in reverse, too. There are many times where people have had to choose whether to put aside their identity issues to advocate class ones when voting for
social fascists less than agreeable people. That's a choice that everyone has to make for themselves. For latinos wondering whether ICE will bust their door down and drag their abuela out of the house, their existential issue is more important than voting for Richard Spencer who wants universal healthcare and free college. For my gay Republican roommate who interned at the state capitol, he understood that his party wasn't really with him on LGBT issues, but it was ultimately more important to him to keep the debt down
, keep taxes low
, and "lead from the front"
. Anyway I just don't think this happens as often as you think and you're too stuck on a pink-haired straw-nonbinary-person (they/them) screaming at you about spreading your legs on the subway. This is a concrete thing so give concrete examples, it can never be solved in the abstract.
