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« Reply #4680 on: July 12, 2018, 04:23:38 AM »
Wall off = not accepting and not having the tools to accept millions upon millions of refugees in endless waves.


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« Reply #4681 on: July 12, 2018, 04:27:18 AM »
MARS?!? They really are aliens!

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« Reply #4682 on: July 12, 2018, 04:27:21 AM »
lol bourgeois elitist liberals

lol brourgeois elitist liberals

lmao look at this college intellectual giant dad thinking he can wall off the developed world from third-world refugees and still smash the neo-liberal capitalist state :neogaf


Wall off = not accepting and not having the tools to accept millions upon millions of refugees in endless waves. Gotta laugh at liberal armchair analysts that completely ignore practicality and realistic standards for theory to the point of ignorance. Immigration is good therefore mass immigration that radically changes the balance of a country's society is also good and shouldn't be criticized. So if 10 million refugees arrive in Sweden tomorrow, Sweden and Swedish people should somehow deal with it. lol


what class do you think refugees are part of you moron

And how do you think the immigrant lower class will do with the far-right controlling Europe you fucking imbecile?

It's almost like this has been covered multiple times with your alter ego before.

But I guess itís probably once again time to point out that for the last 10 years America has had a net negative illegal migration flow, it has actually shrunk by 2 million, that we are in a period of historic lows in terms of southern border crossings, and that the average immigrant population as a whole, over the course of two generations, have been a net benefit to the economy and government coffers/services compared to the average native born citizens. Even if you are cherry picking from lesser credentialed research the impact on tax payers is incredibly minimal. That the wage and unemployment impact ranges from minimal to non-existent in OECD countries, recognizing the conversation is both international and domestic here. The notion that we are bursting at the seams in America, or that it will cripple the western world, and everyone is incapable of taking in people seeking asylum or a better way of life is, well, largely bullshit.

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Mandark

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« Reply #4683 on: July 12, 2018, 04:29:22 AM »
MARS?!? They really are aliens!

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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4684 on: July 12, 2018, 04:29:54 AM »
Wall off = not accepting and not having the tools to accept millions upon millions of refugees in endless waves.

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They were more than a million each year for 2-3 years iirc and if Europe hadn't started being tough on immigration they'd be many more, actions that I assume you disagree with therefore the "millions upon millions".

Mandark

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« Reply #4685 on: July 12, 2018, 04:31:32 AM »
What years did Sweden take over a million refugees?

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« Reply #4686 on: July 12, 2018, 04:32:51 AM »
Tasty needs to write an extension so I can rescind every like I've given to your posts.
you can't rescind those likes, they're already here, they're producing anchor likes now
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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4687 on: July 12, 2018, 04:33:07 AM »
lol bourgeois elitist liberals

lol brourgeois elitist liberals

lmao look at this college intellectual giant dad thinking he can wall off the developed world from third-world refugees and still smash the neo-liberal capitalist state :neogaf


Wall off = not accepting and not having the tools to accept millions upon millions of refugees in endless waves. Gotta laugh at liberal armchair analysts that completely ignore practicality and realistic standards for theory to the point of ignorance. Immigration is good therefore mass immigration that radically changes the balance of a country's society is also good and shouldn't be criticized. So if 10 million refugees arrive in Sweden tomorrow, Sweden and Swedish people should somehow deal with it. lol


what class do you think refugees are part of you moron

And how do you think the immigrant lower class will do with the far-right controlling Europe you fucking imbecile?

It's almost like this has been covered multiple times with your alter ego before.

But I guess itís probably once again time to point out that for the last 10 years America has had a net negative illegal migration flow, it has actually shrunk by 2 million, that we are in a period of historic lows in terms of southern border crossings, and that the average immigrant population as a whole, over the course of two generations, have been a net benefit to the economy and government coffers/services compared to the average native born citizens. Even if you are cherry picking from lesser credentialed research the impact on tax payers is incredibly minimal. That the wage and unemployment impact ranges from minimal to non-existent in OECD countries, recognizing the conversation is both international and domestic here. The notion that we are bursting at the seams in America, or that it will cripple the western world, and everyone is incapable of taking in people seeking asylum or a better way of life is, well, largely bullshit.

All your pretty charts for easy reference is just a click away.
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I'm talking about Europe's immigrant crisis, I never argued about US or Trump's tarded fear-mongering about immigrants. Go back defending SJW sociopaths celebrating TB's death.

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« Reply #4688 on: July 12, 2018, 04:33:32 AM »
Here's Sweden going back to 2006, blue is immigration, black emigration:



Not seeing 2-3 million in those numbers.You sure you aren't confusing 2-3 million a year for 2-3 million over the last 15 years or something?

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« Reply #4689 on: July 12, 2018, 04:34:57 AM »
lol bourgeois elitist liberals

lol brourgeois elitist liberals

lmao look at this college intellectual giant dad thinking he can wall off the developed world from third-world refugees and still smash the neo-liberal capitalist state :neogaf


Wall off = not accepting and not having the tools to accept millions upon millions of refugees in endless waves. Gotta laugh at liberal armchair analysts that completely ignore practicality and realistic standards for theory to the point of ignorance. Immigration is good therefore mass immigration that radically changes the balance of a country's society is also good and shouldn't be criticized. So if 10 million refugees arrive in Sweden tomorrow, Sweden and Swedish people should somehow deal with it. lol


what class do you think refugees are part of you moron

And how do you think the immigrant lower class will do with the far-right controlling Europe you fucking imbecile?

It's almost like this has been covered multiple times with your alter ego before.

But I guess itís probably once again time to point out that for the last 10 years America has had a net negative illegal migration flow, it has actually shrunk by 2 million, that we are in a period of historic lows in terms of southern border crossings, and that the average immigrant population as a whole, over the course of two generations, have been a net benefit to the economy and government coffers/services compared to the average native born citizens. Even if you are cherry picking from lesser credentialed research the impact on tax payers is incredibly minimal. That the wage and unemployment impact ranges from minimal to non-existent in OECD countries, recognizing the conversation is both international and domestic here. The notion that we are bursting at the seams in America, or that it will cripple the western world, and everyone is incapable of taking in people seeking asylum or a better way of life is, well, largely bullshit.

All your pretty charts for easy reference is just a click away.
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I'm talking about Europe's immigrant crisis, I never argued about US or Trump's tarded fear-mongering about immigrants. Go back defending SJW sociopaths celebrating TB's death.

Half of that research, notably with concern to wage/unemployment is OECD focused.

Mandark

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« Reply #4690 on: July 12, 2018, 04:45:44 AM »
What years did Sweden take over a million refugees?

just repeating this cause it got swallowed up in some thehunter116-ass block quoting

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« Reply #4691 on: July 12, 2018, 04:45:57 AM »
Go back defending SJW sociopaths celebrating TB's death.
yo i feel left out because it was while you were away and ERA popped off into insanity but i wanted you to know that i got in on that action:
For the record that piece of shit was celebrating TB's death along with the rest of the SJW scum.

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Funny how the same hypocrites that talk about against "freedom from consequences" defend scum like her that celebrate and brag about a young man dying from cancer and all this because he disagreed with them.

Want proof that gamergate is vastly morally superior compared to these subhumans? Just look at their reaction at TB's death despite the fact that a few months ago TB was shitting on them publicly. The thread about TB on KiA was full of people offering condelences, I don't think even one comment was negative and the ones that talked about TB's disagreement with GG were all pointing out that it doesn't matter and that he was still a great person.
Honestly I feel vindicated, mostly to myself. I often exaggerate against people I heavily dislike and there's always some doubt in my mind about the things I assume about them. Their absolutely disgusting response to TB's death and the silence from the rest of these scumbags for the terrible things that were said confirms even the worst suspicions I had about them. They're all human trash. They're still posting articles smearing TB btw, I just read a new one today.
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cheers mate
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benjipwns

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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4692 on: July 12, 2018, 04:46:54 AM »
just repeating this cause it got swallowed up in some thehunter116-ass block quoting
noticed he's disappeared and that his avatar is now a question mark

now i'm not saying this has anything to do with that russian bot net they swept up, but i'm also not saying it doesn't have anything to do with it
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Optimus

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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4693 on: July 12, 2018, 04:49:09 AM »
What years did Sweden take over a million refugees?

just repeating this cause it got swallowed up in some thehunter116-ass block quoting

I'm talking about Europe.

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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4694 on: July 12, 2018, 04:52:06 AM »
Go back defending SJW sociopaths celebrating TB's death.
yo i feel left out because it was while you were away and ERA popped off into insanity but i wanted you to know that i got in on that action:
For the record that piece of shit was celebrating TB's death along with the rest of the SJW scum.

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Funny how the same hypocrites that talk about against "freedom from consequences" defend scum like her that celebrate and brag about a young man dying from cancer and all this because he disagreed with them.

Want proof that gamergate is vastly morally superior compared to these subhumans? Just look at their reaction at TB's death despite the fact that a few months ago TB was shitting on them publicly. The thread about TB on KiA was full of people offering condelences, I don't think even one comment was negative and the ones that talked about TB's disagreement with GG were all pointing out that it doesn't matter and that he was still a great person.
Honestly I feel vindicated, mostly to myself. I often exaggerate against people I heavily dislike and there's always some doubt in my mind about the things I assume about them. Their absolutely disgusting response to TB's death and the silence from the rest of these scumbags for the terrible things that were said confirms even the worst suspicions I had about them. They're all human trash. They're still posting articles smearing TB btw, I just read a new one today.
:dead :dead :dead :dead

like TotalBiscuit from the Super C
cheers mate

I'm really butthurt about these sociopathic scumbags celebrating TB's death but I haven't lost my humor.

Mandark

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« Reply #4695 on: July 12, 2018, 04:53:42 AM »
I'm talking about Europe.

you weren't, but I'll let it slide

in the case of europe the total pop is well over half a billion, so "millions!" isn't freaking me out

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« Reply #4696 on: July 12, 2018, 04:56:56 AM »
I'm talking about Europe.

you weren't, but I'll let it slide

in the case of europe the total pop is well over half a billion, so "millions!" isn't freaking me out

Dude, I was. Just in the previous page I talked about foreign born population being 1.7 million in Sweden, you think I forgot about that?

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« Reply #4697 on: July 12, 2018, 04:57:09 AM »
man i can't get anyone except that Libertarian weirdo kris to pick fights with me anymore and call me a sociopath or whatever, even when i'm not even barely subtle about it, feeling like Kobe atm :fbm
meow.

Mandark

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« Reply #4698 on: July 12, 2018, 05:00:06 AM »
I can dig up your model of a wealth tax if you want

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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4699 on: July 12, 2018, 05:00:47 AM »
man i can't get anyone except that Libertarian weirdo kris to pick fights with me anymore and call me a sociopath or whatever, even when i'm not even barely subtle about it, feeling like Kobe atm :fbm


Everyone loves you benji, try to accept and live with it.

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« Reply #4700 on: July 12, 2018, 05:01:01 AM »
I'm talking about Europe.

you weren't, but I'll let it slide

in the case of europe the total pop is well over half a billion, so "millions!" isn't freaking me out

Dude, I was. Just in the previous page I talked about foreign born population being 1.7 million in Sweden, you think I forgot about that?

Which in comparison America's foreign born population is 14% of our population, Sweden's is now 17%. Only 11% of that 17% is from non-EU countries. Which just for clarity that leaves 89% of the Swedish population either born in Sweden or the EU.

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« Reply #4701 on: July 12, 2018, 05:04:04 AM »
Sweden's been a net immigrator since The War because its population replacement level has long been under even and when you add in emigrants it'd be negative, it's how it's maintained and grown population. The Iraq/Syria spike is a short-term one, the other former states are what you'd expect in Finland, Poland, Yugoslavia, Germany, etc.

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« Reply #4702 on: July 12, 2018, 05:05:53 AM »
I can dig up your model of a wealth tax if you want

:ufup
psch like you're going to class me as a liberal social studies warrior
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Optimus

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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4703 on: July 12, 2018, 05:08:10 AM »
I'm talking about Europe.

you weren't, but I'll let it slide

in the case of europe the total pop is well over half a billion, so "millions!" isn't freaking me out

Dude, I was. Just in the previous page I talked about foreign born population being 1.7 million in Sweden, you think I forgot about that?

Which in comparison America's foreign born population is 14% of our population, Sweden's is now 17%. Only 11% of that 17% is from non-EU countries. Which just for clarity that leaves 89% of the Swedish population either born in Sweden or the EU.

No fucking way only 11% of immigrants in Sweden are from non-EU countries. Unless you mean 11% of the population of Sweden is from non-EU countries which is a pretty fucking big number especially considering the humongous cultural differences.

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« Reply #4704 on: July 12, 2018, 05:08:46 AM »
Yep and that is one of the ways some of that research shows how immigrants contribute positively to economic growth and entitlement solvency in places like America and numerous European countries with slowing or plateauing native birth rates.

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« Reply #4705 on: July 12, 2018, 05:11:29 AM »
Unless you mean 11% of the population of Sweden is from non-EU countries which is a pretty fucking big number especially considering the humongous cultural differences.

especially Norway

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« Reply #4706 on: July 12, 2018, 05:13:47 AM »
I'm talking about Europe.

you weren't, but I'll let it slide

in the case of europe the total pop is well over half a billion, so "millions!" isn't freaking me out

Dude, I was. Just in the previous page I talked about foreign born population being 1.7 million in Sweden, you think I forgot about that?

Which in comparison America's foreign born population is 14% of our population, Sweden's is now 17%. Only 11% of that 17% is from non-EU countries. Which just for clarity that leaves 89% of the Swedish population either born in Sweden or the EU.

No fucking way only 11% of immigrants in Sweden are from non-EU countries. Unless you mean 11% of the population of Sweden is from non-EU countries which is a pretty fucking big number especially considering the humongous cultural differences.

To put it anther way, of 100 births in Sweden last year, 11 on average were from migrants from non-EU countries. 89 would on average be either from Swedish born or EU born persons.

Which is in relative line with America, and while the highest in the Nordic countries, just based on the numbers, Sweden is clearly not at risk of having their Swedish "culture" overrun as you and Assimilate are so concerned about preserving.

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« Reply #4707 on: July 12, 2018, 05:18:54 AM »
Lumping together all non-EU immigrants into a group isn't a useful simplification. I wouldn't do that with all MENA immigrants.

Like I saw Iran was fairly high up on the list of origin countries and immediately guessed that they'd be way more educated and middle-class than the refugees from Iraq and Syria. Some quick googling, and yup, a big wave came in the late 70's and 80's after the revolution, and ethnically Persian Swedes graduate college at a higher rate than "real" Swedes.

Thai immigration to Sweden is interesting too, but I want everyone to google that for themselves.

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« Reply #4708 on: July 12, 2018, 05:19:19 AM »
What's the concern about Swedish demographics changing slightly anyway again?
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benjipwns

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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4709 on: July 12, 2018, 05:20:00 AM »
Thai immigration to Sweden is interesting too, but I want everyone to google that for themselves.
This sounds like that Daddy P book trap again.
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Mandark

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« Reply #4710 on: July 12, 2018, 05:31:59 AM »
What's the concern about Swedish demographics changing slightly anyway again?

Optimus knows that maintaining a viable leftist coalition means welcoming constituencies that have cultural grievances and concerns as well as material ones and that while you personally may not agree with their viewpoints, it is important to treat them as valid and to make the necessary policy concessions.

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« Reply #4711 on: July 12, 2018, 05:34:57 AM »
Lumping together all non-EU immigrants into a group isn't a useful simplification. I wouldn't do that with all MENA immigrants.

Like I saw Iran was fairly high up on the list of origin countries and immediately guessed that they'd be way more educated and middle-class than the refugees from Iraq and Syria. Some quick googling, and yup, a big wave came in the late 70's and 80's after the revolution, and ethnically Persian Swedes graduate college at a higher rate than "real" Swedes.

Thai immigration to Sweden is interesting too, but I want everyone to google that for themselves.

Fair and good point. I'm kind of exploring as I go fact checking Optimus with most of this.

I'm guessing crime will be on the horizon and that is interesting. Since in most countries, most refugees/poorer/uneducated immigrants do commit crimes at higher rates...But so to is it the case that native born people impoverished and uneducated to a similar degree commit crimes at similar rates. That disparity seems to even out, and has for Sweden, in second and third generations.

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« Reply #4712 on: July 12, 2018, 02:26:31 PM »
They say he has a 'bad' back but he's obviously drunk af.

https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1017453353767505920
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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4713 on: July 12, 2018, 02:54:15 PM »
What's the concern about Swedish demographics changing slightly anyway again?

Optimus knows that maintaining a viable leftist coalition means welcoming constituencies that have cultural grievances and concerns as well as material ones and that while you personally may not agree with their viewpoints, it is important to treat them as valid and to make the necessary policy concessions.


Optimus knows that maintaining a viable leftist coalition means not putting your head in the sand when your citizens suddenly have concerns and not blindly following your principles even to the extreme of them no matter the conditions and how much they worsen society. Funny how you ignored my other post saying exactly that. So tell me Mandark , oh great and sensible representative of leftist politics, if 10 million immigrants arrived in Sweden in a year would it still be "racist" to complain about excessive mass immigration? lol at these fucking idiots and racists complaining that 10 million immigrants would completely change their society, amirite?

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« Reply #4714 on: July 12, 2018, 03:03:10 PM »
"Unfortunately, human nature resists change and it goes over backward to avoid radical change." - Ronaldus Magnus Reagan
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« Reply #4715 on: July 12, 2018, 03:06:11 PM »
man i can't get anyone except that Libertarian weirdo kris to pick fights with me anymore and call me a sociopath or whatever, even when i'm not even barely subtle about it, feeling like Kobe atm :fbm
wait, when have I ever picked a fight with you ever
DAMN!

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« Reply #4716 on: July 12, 2018, 03:08:45 PM »
man i can't get anyone except that Libertarian weirdo kris to pick fights with me anymore and call me a sociopath or whatever, even when i'm not even barely subtle about it, feeling like Kobe atm :fbm

You can't even take that personally, either.

At least not until he's had to escape from a Libertarian Party meeting by innocently asking if we should fund the night watchman with sales taxes or land taxes.

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« Reply #4717 on: July 12, 2018, 03:12:25 PM »
man i can't get anyone except that Libertarian weirdo kris to pick fights with me anymore and call me a sociopath or whatever, even when i'm not even barely subtle about it, feeling like Kobe atm :fbm
wait, when have I ever picked a fight with you ever
calling me out huh? typical, so much for the NAP
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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4718 on: July 12, 2018, 03:13:55 PM »
I think you misunderstand. I'm not a Libertarian, just a registered member of the Libertarian party. Thus I don't believe in NAP, but SIESTA (Should It Ever Say "Tax", Agree)
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« Reply #4719 on: July 12, 2018, 03:25:30 PM »
I'm not a Libertarian, just a registered member of the Libertarian party. Thus I don't believe in NAP, but SIESTA (Should It Ever Say "Tax", Agree)
All Libertarians are members of the Libertarian Party. Not all libertarians are Libertarians.

This is just another example of the dangers of mass immigration.
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« Reply #4720 on: July 12, 2018, 03:27:57 PM »
Actually, borders are unethical and I have the right to freely associate with the party irrespective of my ideological purity.
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Re: International Politics Thread - Russia + China = World superpowers
« Reply #4721 on: July 12, 2018, 03:28:40 PM »
Am I the first LINO or was that Bill Weld
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« Reply #4722 on: July 12, 2018, 03:32:01 PM »
Am I the first LINO or was that Bill Weld
It was whoever was member #2.

Or maybe #2 figured out that it was #1 all along.
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« Reply #4723 on: July 12, 2018, 07:48:56 PM »
Optimus knows that maintaining a viable leftist coalition means not putting your head in the sand when your citizens suddenly have concerns and not blindly following your principles even to the extreme of them no matter the conditions and how much they worsen society. Funny how you ignored my other post saying exactly that. So tell me Mandark , oh great and sensible representative of leftist politics, if 10 million immigrants arrived in Sweden in a year would it still be "racist" to complain about excessive mass immigration? lol at these fucking idiots and racists complaining that 10 million immigrants would completely change their society, amirite?

10 million immigrants didn't arrive in Sweden in a year, and they won't arrive in some future year. "What if The Camp of the Saints was real life?" is no more edifying than all those ticking time bomb scenarios used to justify the CIA's torture program. Generally, if you have to resort to that kind of goofy hypothetical, it's not a great sign.

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« Reply #4724 on: July 12, 2018, 08:48:45 PM »
Optimus knows that maintaining a viable leftist coalition means not putting your head in the sand when your citizens suddenly have concerns and not blindly following your principles even to the extreme of them no matter the conditions and how much they worsen society. Funny how you ignored my other post saying exactly that. So tell me Mandark , oh great and sensible representative of leftist politics, if 10 million immigrants arrived in Sweden in a year would it still be "racist" to complain about excessive mass immigration? lol at these fucking idiots and racists complaining that 10 million immigrants would completely change their society, amirite?

10 million immigrants didn't arrive in Sweden in a year, and they won't arrive in some future year. "What if The Camp of the Saints was real life?" is no more edifying than all those ticking time bomb scenarios used to justify the CIA's torture program. Generally, if you have to resort to that kind of goofy hypothetical, it's not a great sign.


No, it's "only" at least one tenth of the country's entire population that has vastly different culture and believes in most shitty religion in the world in country that is very progressive, or at least it used to be, and where the majority of the population is either atheist or barely religious. Are you for or against Europe's anti-immigration policies without which Sweden and other countries would continue being flooded with immigrants? And if you're against it at what point would you become a racist too and argue against more mass immigration?

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« Reply #4725 on: July 12, 2018, 09:01:10 PM »
Europe's anti-immigration policies without which Sweden and other countries would continue being flooded with immigrants?

could you elaborate?

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« Reply #4726 on: July 12, 2018, 09:08:12 PM »
Against. Never. I don't see why Sweden's current demographics are inherently necessary to be preserved forever especially as to justify restricting human rights.
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« Reply #4727 on: July 12, 2018, 09:16:08 PM »
Striking how many people discuss immigration in a way that treats the welfare of the migrants as secondary or irrelevant.

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« Reply #4728 on: July 12, 2018, 09:18:54 PM »
We must secure the culture and lifestyles of Europeans from the inveterate foreign hordes.
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« Reply #4729 on: July 12, 2018, 09:28:46 PM »
My favorite commentary on this topic is actually when Benji hilariously noted that under the most extreme scenario, Arabs would make up about 11% of Europe by like 2050, which would *almost* be the same as the proportion of Americans that are black. :lol
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« Reply #4730 on: July 12, 2018, 09:44:28 PM »
the uncomfortable praise made me look it up, it's not even Arabs, just Muslims: http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=41489.msg2347755#msg2347755
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« Reply #4731 on: July 12, 2018, 10:02:48 PM »
Interesting how things went from "Progressive immigration policies are backfiring on progressives and the backlash is fuelling the rise of reactionary, xenophobic parties [and this is framed as a bad thing]" to "Eurabia Soon!"  :thinking
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« Reply #4732 on: July 12, 2018, 10:08:17 PM »
Interesting how things went from "Progressive immigration policies are backfiring on progressives and the backlash is fuelling the rise of reactionary, xenophobic parties [and this is framed as a bad thing]" to "Eurabia Soon!"  :thinking


:thinking :thinking :thinking Wow, very interesting! Where did this happen? :thinking :thinking :thinking

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« Reply #4733 on: July 12, 2018, 11:26:45 PM »
Striking how many people discuss immigration in a way that treats the welfare of the migrants as secondary or irrelevant.

Or the things that make them migrate.

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« Reply #4734 on: July 13, 2018, 12:06:16 AM »
the uncomfortable praise made me look it up, it's not even Arabs, just Muslims: http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=41489.msg2347755#msg2347755
wow, I didn't even like your post  :doge
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« Reply #4735 on: July 13, 2018, 01:12:39 AM »
wow trump really fucked over theresa may

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« Reply #4736 on: July 13, 2018, 02:20:57 AM »
My favorite commentary on this topic is actually when Benji hilariously noted that under the most extreme scenario, Arabs would make up about 11% of Europe by like 2050, which would *almost* be the same as the proportion of Americans that are black. :lol

Polls regularly show that many European citizens severely overestimate (when asked to guess) the % of minorities (or the weight of recent immigration) in the population of their own country sometimes by a factor of 2 (France) or 3 (Italy).
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« Reply #4737 on: July 13, 2018, 03:41:48 AM »
Americans do the same with percentage of pop that's black, latino, etc

more proof Yurop is racist, they're as bad as Amerikkka

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« Reply #4738 on: July 13, 2018, 03:42:23 AM »
Optimus, I'm not sure I understand what exactly your concern is about Sweden's status regarding immigration (and why Sweden in particular?) that it will be overnight turned into an Islamic despotism? That immigrants of all types are diluting the national Swedish character/culture? That purebred Swedes have a superior claim on the means of production owned collectively by Sweden?

A sudden doubling of the population, even if they were all Swedes would cause systemic problems as well, and it's just as unrealistic as the country being swarmed with foreigners even with relaxed immigration restrictions.

You claim to be of the left but in this case you seem to want to establish rigidly enforced international hierarchies, in many cases constructed entirely on ethnic lines. I'm not attempting to call you a racist or anything here, but from the argument you've made thus far these are really the only stipulations you have actually presented. Surely, you must see why the cowardly social studies warriors like curly and Mandark would foolishly think they finally have the smoking gun of racism to tar your intellectual forays with.
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« Reply #4739 on: July 13, 2018, 03:46:01 AM »
Americans do the same with percentage of pop that's black
the main thing is that people often forget to only count 60% of them
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