International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster

[benjipwns]

The height of leftist politics is making sure the uncivilized hordes of the third world stay on the other side of the metaphorical and literal walls surrounding the first world. Because when Marx said "workers of the world, unite" he was referring to workers from those advanced and superior civilizations who DEFINITELY didn't achieve their relatively comfortable standard of living by spending a couple centuries sucking the blood of the rest of the world.

The height of leftist politics is being connected to the middle and lower classes and understanding their concerns and problems, not to be an elitist pretentious prick that immediately suggests "let them eat cake" every time they voice their frustration with certain conditions and policies.

what class do you think refugees are part of you moron

"socialism in one country" the others have to earn it first not steal it

[benjipwns]

Opt, if you haven't read Lenin's "Should Revolutionaries Work in Reactionary Trade Unions?" already I think you might find it informative.

woah, what's with trying to get people to read a neoliberal male feminist? you some kind of elitist?

[Kara]

Elite was an influential game series, serving as a model for Privateer, Grand Theft Auto, EVE Online, Freelancer, X, and No Man's Sky.

[Raist]

Brexit, the gift that keeps on giving.

Boris Johnson (Foreign Secretary) and David Davis (Brexit Secretary) have resigned today.





For extra laughs:

[Nintex]

On top of the Brexit meltdown Donald Trump arrives in the UK in three days. Right in the middle of this mess.

If May's smart she resigns like Cameron did when he figured out he was going to be the fall guy.
Boris is simply 'excusing' himself from the government so he can complain from the sidelines and prepare to take over.
May stepping down and not taking the heat in Brussels and at the NATO summit would throw a wrench in that plan.

It seems like the Tories are going for scorched earth so whatever Labour government comes in next has no hope of fixing anything they broke.

[benjipwns]

They don't have to call an election until 2022.

They've also actually taken back the polling lead the last few months for the first time since the last election. And May crushes Corbyn larger than she ever has.

[Raist]

Yeah polling also had her win the last GE. And yet here she is, in bed with some ultra-religious cunts from NI.

[Corporal]

Still hilarious that the opposition is so utterly unattractive that even a botch job like Brexit cannot push them above roughly half of all available votes.

Gonna be entertaining once BoJo starts to seriously take potshots at May and Co.



Yay, four more Thai footsie guys have been rescured. You go, guys. Or rather, you dive. Five hours, eh. I love diving, but I'd probably go insane after such a long time of claustrophobia from getting squished between rocks, even when hopped up on drugs.

[VomKriege]

I mean Corbyn ain't exactly promising to push back on Brexit (or so I believe ?).

[VomKriege]

As for the Ethiopa / Eritrea peace accord, I'll just mention that the sporadic war included some actual air battles involving MIG-29s and SU-27s, which is noteworthy because there's not a ton of that anymore between somewhat even air forces and with Soviet jets of that generation.

[Raist]

Jeremy Hunt takes over as foreign secretary. lolololololz

This guy:

[Great Rumbler]

lol bourgeois elitist liberals

lol brourgeois elitist liberals

lmao look at this college intellectual cuck thinking he can wall off the developed world from third-world refugees and still smash the neo-liberal capitalist state

[Nintex]

Trump is throwing down the gauntlet at the EU and NATO
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1016757033071079424

Europeans baffled
https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1016760319404855296

[curly]

lmao look at this college intellectual giant dad thinking he can wall off the developed world from third-world refugees and still smash the neo-liberal capitalist state

Hillary declares herself a woke bae: fucking elites spamming idpol to fool the masses
Italians elect Mussolini's great grandson prime minister on promise to turn the Mediterranean into a sea of fire to stop the boats: well that's their choice and I respect it

[Mandark]

What I want is for an actual Strasserist to join the forum and then troll Optimus for being a squish.

[Broseidon]

Optimus unconsciously being a liberal is the only upside to his ceaseless screeching about liberals

[Corporal]

I mean Corbyn ain't exactly promising to push back on Brexit (or so I believe ?).

Yeah, he'd personally carry every EU diplomat off the islands on his own back if it got UK out of the EU even a femtosecond sooner. 

Only Remain aligned parties would be the LibDems I believe, and well, they're LibDems. Even without the completely fucked up FPTP election system they're struggling after bending their youth voters over the barrel during the last great coalition.

[benjipwns]

https://www.expatica.com/fr/news/country-news/France-auction-history-crime-guillotine_1973648.html

A 150-year-old guillotine with "a few dents on the blade" was sold in Paris on Wednesday despite protests from auction regulators.

The 10-foot (three-metre) tall instrument of execution which was used to dispatch criminals in France until 1977 was bought by a French millionaire for 8,008 euros ($9,400).

The Drouot auction house insisted that the model was built as a replica and has never been used to behead anyone, although it did once feature in a museum of torture in the French capital.

The sale of guillotines has been highly controversial in France where the death penalty was only abolished in 1981, with the French auction watchdog already objecting to the sale.

"They should not be selling this guillotine," a spokesman told the Parisien newspaper. "Objects like the clothes of people who were deported to the (Nazi death) camps and instruments of torture are sensitive."

That did not, however, stop another going for 220,000 euros in the same saleroom in 2011 when US pop star Lady Gaga was reportedly among the bidders.

Nor did the watchdog have the power to stop the auction because the guillotine -- which previously graced a Paris jazz club -- is part of a bankruptcy sale.

[Optimus]

lol bourgeois elitist liberals

lol brourgeois elitist liberals

lmao look at this college intellectual giant dad thinking he can wall off the developed world from third-world refugees and still smash the neo-liberal capitalist state

Wall off = not accepting and not having the tools to accept millions upon millions of refugees in endless waves. Gotta laugh at liberal armchair analysts that completely ignore practicality and realistic standards for theory to the point of ignorance. Immigration is good therefore mass immigration that radically changes the balance of a country's society is also good and shouldn't be criticized. So if 10 million refugees arrive in Sweden tomorrow, Sweden and Swedish people should somehow deal with it. EL OH EL

This is the same moronic and catastrophic rationale that encourages the equality of outcome troglodytes. It assumes that if you support an ideology you must also uncritically support that ideology's principles taken to an absolute extreme and keep supporting them no matter the evidence that it's changing society for the worse.

what class do you think refugees are part of you moron

And how do you think the immigrant lower class will do with the far-right controlling Europe you fucking imbecile?

[benjipwns]

The prospect of some people violating the rights of others is not a very good reason to preclude the recognition and protection of those rights. It effectively serves to render the enforcement of all rights equally under the law null and void. While encouraging rapid militarization for the adjudication of disputes between groups.

[Mandark]

Wall off = not accepting and not having the tools to accept millions upon millions of refugees in endless waves.

[benjipwns]

MARS?!? They really are aliens!

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[Nola]

lol bourgeois elitist liberals

lol brourgeois elitist liberals

lmao look at this college intellectual giant dad thinking he can wall off the developed world from third-world refugees and still smash the neo-liberal capitalist state

Wall off = not accepting and not having the tools to accept millions upon millions of refugees in endless waves. Gotta laugh at liberal armchair analysts that completely ignore practicality and realistic standards for theory to the point of ignorance. Immigration is good therefore mass immigration that radically changes the balance of a country's society is also good and shouldn't be criticized. So if 10 million refugees arrive in Sweden tomorrow, Sweden and Swedish people should somehow deal with it. lol

what class do you think refugees are part of you moron

And how do you think the immigrant lower class will do with the far-right controlling Europe you fucking imbecile?

It's almost like this has been covered multiple times with your alter ego before.

But I guess it’s probably once again time to point out that for the last 10 years America has had a net negative illegal migration flow, it has actually shrunk by 2 million, that we are in a period of historic lows in terms of southern border crossings, and that the average immigrant population as a whole, over the course of two generations, have been a net benefit to the economy and government coffers/services compared to the average native born citizens. Even if you are cherry picking from lesser credentialed research the impact on tax payers is incredibly minimal. That the wage and unemployment impact ranges from minimal to non-existent in OECD countries, recognizing the conversation is both international and domestic here. The notion that we are bursting at the seams in America, or that it will cripple the western world, and everyone is incapable of taking in people seeking asylum or a better way of life is, well, largely bullshit.

All your pretty charts for easy reference is just a click away.

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[Mandark]

MARS?!? They really are aliens!

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BOOOOOOOOOOO

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Tasty needs to write an extension so I can rescind every like I've given to your posts.

[Optimus]

Wall off = not accepting and not having the tools to accept millions upon millions of refugees in endless waves.

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They were more than a million each year for 2-3 years iirc and if Europe hadn't started being tough on immigration they'd be many more, actions that I assume you disagree with therefore the "millions upon millions".

[Mandark]

What years did Sweden take over a million refugees?

[benjipwns]

Tasty needs to write an extension so I can rescind every like I've given to your posts.

you can't rescind those likes, they're already here, they're producing anchor likes now

[Optimus]

lol bourgeois elitist liberals

lol brourgeois elitist liberals

lmao look at this college intellectual giant dad thinking he can wall off the developed world from third-world refugees and still smash the neo-liberal capitalist state

Wall off = not accepting and not having the tools to accept millions upon millions of refugees in endless waves. Gotta laugh at liberal armchair analysts that completely ignore practicality and realistic standards for theory to the point of ignorance. Immigration is good therefore mass immigration that radically changes the balance of a country's society is also good and shouldn't be criticized. So if 10 million refugees arrive in Sweden tomorrow, Sweden and Swedish people should somehow deal with it. lol

what class do you think refugees are part of you moron

And how do you think the immigrant lower class will do with the far-right controlling Europe you fucking imbecile?

It's almost like this has been covered multiple times with your alter ego before.

But I guess it’s probably once again time to point out that for the last 10 years America has had a net negative illegal migration flow, it has actually shrunk by 2 million, that we are in a period of historic lows in terms of southern border crossings, and that the average immigrant population as a whole, over the course of two generations, have been a net benefit to the economy and government coffers/services compared to the average native born citizens. Even if you are cherry picking from lesser credentialed research the impact on tax payers is incredibly minimal. That the wage and unemployment impact ranges from minimal to non-existent in OECD countries, recognizing the conversation is both international and domestic here. The notion that we are bursting at the seams in America, or that it will cripple the western world, and everyone is incapable of taking in people seeking asylum or a better way of life is, well, largely bullshit.

All your pretty charts for easy reference is just a click away.

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I'm talking about Europe's immigrant crisis, I never argued about US or Trump's tarded fear-mongering about immigrants. Go back defending SJW sociopaths celebrating TB's death.

[Nola]

Here's Sweden going back to 2006, blue is immigration, black emigration:



Not seeing 2-3 million in those numbers.You sure you aren't confusing 2-3 million a year for 2-3 million over the last 15 years or something?

[Nola]

lol bourgeois elitist liberals

lol brourgeois elitist liberals

lmao look at this college intellectual giant dad thinking he can wall off the developed world from third-world refugees and still smash the neo-liberal capitalist state

Wall off = not accepting and not having the tools to accept millions upon millions of refugees in endless waves. Gotta laugh at liberal armchair analysts that completely ignore practicality and realistic standards for theory to the point of ignorance. Immigration is good therefore mass immigration that radically changes the balance of a country's society is also good and shouldn't be criticized. So if 10 million refugees arrive in Sweden tomorrow, Sweden and Swedish people should somehow deal with it. lol

what class do you think refugees are part of you moron

And how do you think the immigrant lower class will do with the far-right controlling Europe you fucking imbecile?

It's almost like this has been covered multiple times with your alter ego before.

But I guess it’s probably once again time to point out that for the last 10 years America has had a net negative illegal migration flow, it has actually shrunk by 2 million, that we are in a period of historic lows in terms of southern border crossings, and that the average immigrant population as a whole, over the course of two generations, have been a net benefit to the economy and government coffers/services compared to the average native born citizens. Even if you are cherry picking from lesser credentialed research the impact on tax payers is incredibly minimal. That the wage and unemployment impact ranges from minimal to non-existent in OECD countries, recognizing the conversation is both international and domestic here. The notion that we are bursting at the seams in America, or that it will cripple the western world, and everyone is incapable of taking in people seeking asylum or a better way of life is, well, largely bullshit.

All your pretty charts for easy reference is just a click away.

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I'm talking about Europe's immigrant crisis, I never argued about US or Trump's tarded fear-mongering about immigrants. Go back defending SJW sociopaths celebrating TB's death.

Half of that research, notably with concern to wage/unemployment is OECD focused.

[Mandark]

What years did Sweden take over a million refugees?

just repeating this cause it got swallowed up in some thehunter116-ass block quoting

[benjipwns]

Go back defending SJW sociopaths celebrating TB's death.

yo i feel left out because it was while you were away and ERA popped off into insanity but i wanted you to know that i got in on that action:

For the record that piece of shit was celebrating TB's death along with the rest of the SJW scum.

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Funny how the same hypocrites that talk about against "freedom from consequences" defend scum like her that celebrate and brag about a young man dying from cancer and all this because he disagreed with them.

Want proof that gamergate is vastly morally superior compared to these subhumans? Just look at their reaction at TB's death despite the fact that a few months ago TB was shitting on them publicly. The thread about TB on KiA was full of people offering condelences, I don't think even one comment was negative and the ones that talked about TB's disagreement with GG were all pointing out that it doesn't matter and that he was still a great person.

Honestly I feel vindicated, mostly to myself. I often exaggerate against people I heavily dislike and there's always some doubt in my mind about the things I assume about them. Their absolutely disgusting response to TB's death and the silence from the rest of these scumbags for the terrible things that were said confirms even the worst suspicions I had about them. They're all human trash. They're still posting articles smearing TB btw, I just read a new one today.

like TotalBiscuit from the Super C

cheers mate

[benjipwns]

just repeating this cause it got swallowed up in some thehunter116-ass block quoting

noticed he's disappeared and that his avatar is now a question mark

now i'm not saying this has anything to do with that russian bot net they swept up, but i'm also not saying it doesn't have anything to do with it

[Optimus]

What years did Sweden take over a million refugees?

just repeating this cause it got swallowed up in some thehunter116-ass block quoting

I'm talking about Europe.

[Optimus]

Go back defending SJW sociopaths celebrating TB's death.

yo i feel left out because it was while you were away and ERA popped off into insanity but i wanted you to know that i got in on that action:

For the record that piece of shit was celebrating TB's death along with the rest of the SJW scum.

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Funny how the same hypocrites that talk about against "freedom from consequences" defend scum like her that celebrate and brag about a young man dying from cancer and all this because he disagreed with them.

Want proof that gamergate is vastly morally superior compared to these subhumans? Just look at their reaction at TB's death despite the fact that a few months ago TB was shitting on them publicly. The thread about TB on KiA was full of people offering condelences, I don't think even one comment was negative and the ones that talked about TB's disagreement with GG were all pointing out that it doesn't matter and that he was still a great person.

Honestly I feel vindicated, mostly to myself. I often exaggerate against people I heavily dislike and there's always some doubt in my mind about the things I assume about them. Their absolutely disgusting response to TB's death and the silence from the rest of these scumbags for the terrible things that were said confirms even the worst suspicions I had about them. They're all human trash. They're still posting articles smearing TB btw, I just read a new one today.

like TotalBiscuit from the Super C

cheers mate

I'm really butthurt about these sociopathic scumbags celebrating TB's death but I haven't lost my humor.

[Mandark]

I'm talking about Europe.

you weren't, but I'll let it slide

in the case of europe the total pop is well over half a billion, so "millions!" isn't freaking me out

[Optimus]

I'm talking about Europe.

you weren't, but I'll let it slide

in the case of europe the total pop is well over half a billion, so "millions!" isn't freaking me out

Dude, I was. Just in the previous page I talked about foreign born population being 1.7 million in Sweden, you think I forgot about that?

[benjipwns]

man i can't get anyone except that Libertarian weirdo kris to pick fights with me anymore and call me a sociopath or whatever, even when i'm not even barely subtle about it, feeling like Kobe atm

[Mandark]

I can dig up your model of a wealth tax if you want

[Optimus]

man i can't get anyone except that Libertarian weirdo kris to pick fights with me anymore and call me a sociopath or whatever, even when i'm not even barely subtle about it, feeling like Kobe atm

Everyone loves you benji, try to accept and live with it.

[Nola]

I'm talking about Europe.

you weren't, but I'll let it slide

in the case of europe the total pop is well over half a billion, so "millions!" isn't freaking me out

Dude, I was. Just in the previous page I talked about foreign born population being 1.7 million in Sweden, you think I forgot about that?

Which in comparison America's foreign born population is 14% of our population, Sweden's is now 17%. Only 11% of that 17% is from non-EU countries. Which just for clarity that leaves 89% of the Swedish population either born in Sweden or the EU.

[benjipwns]

Sweden's been a net immigrator since The War because its population replacement level has long been under even and when you add in emigrants it'd be negative, it's how it's maintained and grown population. The Iraq/Syria spike is a short-term one, the other former states are what you'd expect in Finland, Poland, Yugoslavia, Germany, etc.

[benjipwns]

I can dig up your model of a wealth tax if you want

psch like you're going to class me as a liberal social studies warrior

[Optimus]

I'm talking about Europe.

you weren't, but I'll let it slide

in the case of europe the total pop is well over half a billion, so "millions!" isn't freaking me out

Dude, I was. Just in the previous page I talked about foreign born population being 1.7 million in Sweden, you think I forgot about that?

Which in comparison America's foreign born population is 14% of our population, Sweden's is now 17%. Only 11% of that 17% is from non-EU countries. Which just for clarity that leaves 89% of the Swedish population either born in Sweden or the EU.

No fucking way only 11% of immigrants in Sweden are from non-EU countries. Unless you mean 11% of the population of Sweden is from non-EU countries which is a pretty fucking big number especially considering the humongous cultural differences.

[Nola]

Yep and that is one of the ways some of that research shows how immigrants contribute positively to economic growth and entitlement solvency in places like America and numerous European countries with slowing or plateauing native birth rates.

[Mandark]

Unless you mean 11% of the population of Sweden is from non-EU countries which is a pretty fucking big number especially considering the humongous cultural differences.

especially Norway

[Nola]

I'm talking about Europe.

you weren't, but I'll let it slide

in the case of europe the total pop is well over half a billion, so "millions!" isn't freaking me out

Dude, I was. Just in the previous page I talked about foreign born population being 1.7 million in Sweden, you think I forgot about that?

Which in comparison America's foreign born population is 14% of our population, Sweden's is now 17%. Only 11% of that 17% is from non-EU countries. Which just for clarity that leaves 89% of the Swedish population either born in Sweden or the EU.

No fucking way only 11% of immigrants in Sweden are from non-EU countries. Unless you mean 11% of the population of Sweden is from non-EU countries which is a pretty fucking big number especially considering the humongous cultural differences.

To put it anther way, of 100 births in Sweden last year, 11 on average were from migrants from non-EU countries. 89 would on average be either from Swedish born or EU born persons.

Which is in relative line with America, and while the highest in the Nordic countries, just based on the numbers, Sweden is clearly not at risk of having their Swedish "culture" overrun as you and Assimilate are so concerned about preserving.

[Mandark]

Lumping together all non-EU immigrants into a group isn't a useful simplification. I wouldn't do that with all MENA immigrants.

Like I saw Iran was fairly high up on the list of origin countries and immediately guessed that they'd be way more educated and middle-class than the refugees from Iraq and Syria. Some quick googling, and yup, a big wave came in the late 70's and 80's after the revolution, and ethnically Persian Swedes graduate college at a higher rate than "real" Swedes.

Thai immigration to Sweden is interesting too, but I want everyone to google that for themselves.

[benjipwns]

What's the concern about Swedish demographics changing slightly anyway again?

[benjipwns]

Thai immigration to Sweden is interesting too, but I want everyone to google that for themselves.

This sounds like that Daddy P book trap again.

[Mandark]

What's the concern about Swedish demographics changing slightly anyway again?

Optimus knows that maintaining a viable leftist coalition means welcoming constituencies that have cultural grievances and concerns as well as material ones and that while you personally may not agree with their viewpoints, it is important to treat them as valid and to make the necessary policy concessions.

[Nola]

Lumping together all non-EU immigrants into a group isn't a useful simplification. I wouldn't do that with all MENA immigrants.

Like I saw Iran was fairly high up on the list of origin countries and immediately guessed that they'd be way more educated and middle-class than the refugees from Iraq and Syria. Some quick googling, and yup, a big wave came in the late 70's and 80's after the revolution, and ethnically Persian Swedes graduate college at a higher rate than "real" Swedes.

Thai immigration to Sweden is interesting too, but I want everyone to google that for themselves.

Fair and good point. I'm kind of exploring as I go fact checking Optimus with most of this.

I'm guessing crime will be on the horizon and that is interesting. Since in most countries, most refugees/poorer/uneducated immigrants do commit crimes at higher rates...But so to is it the case that native born people impoverished and uneducated to a similar degree commit crimes at similar rates. That disparity seems to even out, and has for Sweden, in second and third generations.

[Nintex]

They say he has a 'bad' back but he's obviously drunk af.

https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1017453353767505920

[Optimus]

What's the concern about Swedish demographics changing slightly anyway again?

Optimus knows that maintaining a viable leftist coalition means welcoming constituencies that have cultural grievances and concerns as well as material ones and that while you personally may not agree with their viewpoints, it is important to treat them as valid and to make the necessary policy concessions.

Optimus knows that maintaining a viable leftist coalition means not putting your head in the sand when your citizens suddenly have concerns and not blindly following your principles even to the extreme of them no matter the conditions and how much they worsen society. Funny how you ignored my other post saying exactly that. So tell me Mandark , oh great and sensible representative of leftist politics, if 10 million immigrants arrived in Sweden in a year would it still be "racist" to complain about excessive mass immigration? lol at these fucking idiots and racists complaining that 10 million immigrants would completely change their society, amirite?

[benjipwns]

"Unfortunately, human nature resists change and it goes over backward to avoid radical change." - Ronaldus Magnus Reagan

[Kara]

man i can't get anyone except that Libertarian weirdo kris to pick fights with me anymore and call me a sociopath or whatever, even when i'm not even barely subtle about it, feeling like Kobe atm

You can't even take that personally, either.

At least not until he's had to escape from a Libertarian Party meeting by innocently asking if we should fund the night watchman with sales taxes or land taxes.

[benjipwns]

man i can't get anyone except that Libertarian weirdo kris to pick fights with me anymore and call me a sociopath or whatever, even when i'm not even barely subtle about it, feeling like Kobe atm

wait, when have I ever picked a fight with you ever

calling me out huh? typical, so much for the NAP

[benjipwns]

I'm not a Libertarian, just a registered member of the Libertarian party. Thus I don't believe in NAP, but SIESTA (Should It Ever Say "Tax", Agree)

All Libertarians are members of the Libertarian Party. Not all libertarians are Libertarians.

This is just another example of the dangers of mass immigration.

[benjipwns]

Am I the first LINO or was that Bill Weld

It was whoever was member #2.

Or maybe #2 figured out that it was #1 all along.

[Mandark]

Optimus knows that maintaining a viable leftist coalition means not putting your head in the sand when your citizens suddenly have concerns and not blindly following your principles even to the extreme of them no matter the conditions and how much they worsen society. Funny how you ignored my other post saying exactly that. So tell me Mandark , oh great and sensible representative of leftist politics, if 10 million immigrants arrived in Sweden in a year would it still be "racist" to complain about excessive mass immigration? lol at these fucking idiots and racists complaining that 10 million immigrants would completely change their society, amirite?

10 million immigrants didn't arrive in Sweden in a year, and they won't arrive in some future year. "What if The Camp of the Saints was real life?" is no more edifying than all those ticking time bomb scenarios used to justify the CIA's torture program. Generally, if you have to resort to that kind of goofy hypothetical, it's not a great sign.