Both the Xbox 360 successor AND a follow up to the PS3 will be shown at E3 2012.
The LA show tease will come as Wii U launch details are locked in – and should ensure no ground is lost between competing consoles.
It will mark the very first time in the show’s 17-year history that three fresh, rival console formats will be so directly comparable.
Microsoft has long been rumoured to detail its next-gen plans at E3 2012, and recently signalled to partners this will happen, MCV has been told.
The 360 is one of the longest-serving games consoles in history. But the real surprise is an early move from Sony. Execs at the PlayStation firm have made it clear to third-parties that they will not be left behind this time.
Execs aren’t expecting price or launch details for the new Xbox or PlayStation. But their unveiling could be a perfect spoiler to the pre-Christmas launch date and price that will be revealed for Wii U in June.
Hoping they dont do shitty gimmicks
Halo 4 has to be a dual format release then.Hola 4's currently set for 4th quarter 2012, so no. :P
It won't be loop but then it won't be something like 720 either. It will be Xbox <insert name> and it will sound stupid and people will moan at first and then nobody will care.
A friend of mine who "did some work for the company" is claiming that a new console is going to be revealed at CES. Not from MS, Sony, or Nintendo.
Really excited for the next xbox. But I better not lose my current gen XBLA titles. If I do that's one of the things that could make me not get one.
I would actually be down for a Sega x Microsoft team up console.
Dont even joke, my heart still hurts from SEGA bowing out.A friend of mine who "did some work for the company" is claiming that a new console is going to be revealed at CES. Not from MS, Sony, or Nintendo.
Sega is coming back!!!
Water is wet, sources have told MCV.
In related news, Shigeru Miyamoto is creating a brand-new game. No information about the game is known, but Miyamoto is said to have been inspired while watering his garden.
Water is wet, sources have told MCV.
In related news, Shigeru Miyamoto is creating a brand-new game. No information about the game is known, but Miyamoto is said to have been inspired while watering his garden.
Apple already has a console, it's called the iPad. You can already connect it to your TV. All they have to do is release some type of bluetooth controller for it with a built-in touchpad and gyro/accelerometer.
Apple already has a console, it's called the iPad. You can already connect it to your TV. All they have to do is release some type of bluetooth controller for it with a built-in touchpad and gyro/accelerometer.
Xbox 720 or PS4 by the end of this year? It could happen, according to a developer source IndustryGamers spoke with. After MCV reported that this is going to be the first E3 where all three platform holders would show three new consoles, we chatted with a well connected source who told us that Christmas 2012 has been his expectation for some time now - and it stems from the chip makers.http://www.industrygamers.com/news/game-developer-expecting-xbox-720-andor-ps4-for-christmas-2012/ (http://www.industrygamers.com/news/game-developer-expecting-xbox-720-andor-ps4-for-christmas-2012/)
"The 'trick' to these rumors is not the console manufacturers themselves, but rather the chip makers. All indications from them are that things change significantly (ie next generation) come November of this year. As such, it has been my presumption since the middle of this past year that we would see new boxes in the market for Christmas of 2012," our source commented.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/331361/ps4-early-specs-more-powerful-than-xbox-720-claims-source/Aw shit, maybe Hola 4 on 720 is happening after all then.
Next Xbox tablet-basedhttp://www.gamespot.com/special_feature/2012-predictions/image-feature/index.html (http://www.gamespot.com/special_feature/2012-predictions/image-feature/index.html)
The games still look great, I'm in no rush to drop a shit ton of money all over again.
No 720 or ps3 till 2014.Pfft, according Pacheter so feel free to ignore it. He is so wrong about so much shit it annoys me anyone even considers reporting his thoughts. 360 will be nine years old in 2014, '13 is already a crazy late launch.
The games still look great, I'm in no rush to drop a shit ton of money all over again.
I wish the new consoles were a fall 2012 launch but I always thought 2013 fall was more likely. 2014 would suck ass.
I'm not a graphics dude but its simply time to move on to new hardware at this stage although I understand that isn't likely at the moment due to the current still high prices for consoles.
3rd party publishers should also know that there are only so many iterations of their established franchises they can dump on the market before they need the delicious aroma of new hardware to make the old hags fuckable once more.
As for tablets,they are the next big thing imo
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Ugly but a first step
Buy Skyrim and play on some super duper PC,go somewhere and continue playing on tablet,return home and play on PC.Connect tablet to big ass TV and play there if you prefer it like that.No extra(game) costs.
small vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o2XVQ81mNY
make it detachable,better looking and :hyper
:bow2
and then metro 2033 comes out a month later and you realize you just spent $1000 on something that can't even run it on low settings - so you have to use onlive, which you could use on a $200 tablet + bluetooth controller
oh, i agree, but some company is going to have to release a win-based tablet that takes off in a huge way to establish a base "standard" spec for that to happen
oh, i agree, but some company is going to have to release a win-based tablet that takes off in a huge way to establish a base "standard" spec for that to happen
It seems now that recent speculation that the new main System on a Chip (SoC) for the Next Xbox (or Xbox 720, if you like) began production is apparently accurate; the SoC did indeed start production in late December of 2011. Sources tell us that the code name for the chip is Oban, and it is being produced by both IBM and Global Foundries for Microsoft.
If speculation is correct, which our sources believe it is, the power behind the next Xbox will be a PowerPC CPU that is married to an ATI Southern Islands GPU, or modified 7000 series. Continued rumors of an x86 compatible CPU seem to be bunk, just based on where the chip is being fab’d.
This first run of these 32nm Oban chips will be destined for developer consoles, so any hope for a holiday console release in 2012 seems unrealistic, according to our sources, but an announcement perhaps before the end of the year might be possible. It would seem Microsoft’s strategy of getting it in 2013 is all but assured. We do think that the chips will be in production by the end of the year for consoles destined to be sold in 2013, which seems to agree with what others are saying.
There are still many unknowns, but those in the development community seem to be clued in at least a high level. From the shadows we hear whispers of expecting development kits as early as March, but more than likely April, if all goes well.
While we expect these development kits to shed some light on what Microsoft will be doing with the Next Xbox/720, it is very likely that we will see at least couple of revisions before everything is settled as they get closer to an actual production unit.
The next Xbox will ship to retailers in late October or early November of next year with six times the processing power of the Xbox 360, sources close to the project have told IGN.
Following initial reports from tech blogs Fudzilla and SemiAccurate, our sources have confirmed that mass production of the system's GPU will indeed begin by the end of 2012 but will not, however, be based on AMD's 7000 series Southern Islands GPU. Instead, the processor will be derived from the 6000 series, which was introduced last year. More specifically, it will be akin to the Radeon HD 6670, which offers support for DirectX11, multidisplay output, 3D and 1080p HD output. The chip currently has a market price of upwards of $79.99.
In real terms, the Xbox 720's raw graphics processing power is expected to be six times that of the Xbox 360 and will yield 20-percent greater performance than Nintendo's forthcoming console, the Wii U.
Developers are likely to receive development kits based on the system's final configuration in August. Projected pricing for the console was not provided.
Also note - if you post that Zelda Wii U demo as a demo of how awesome next gen is going to be i will perma ban you for being a fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.
Completely in the realms of this gen. Fucking clues.... can you not buy them on the Nintendo fucking e-shop yet?
I would be surprised if Wii U was anywhere near current gen PC. Maybe 2010/early 2011 PC
reading comprehension, my thunder from down under
i said current gen pc is nintendo's next next gen
so that would be what, WiiU2
god it's like a contest for most distinguished mentally-challenged name and nintendo is the only one who shows up anymore
I would be surprised if Wii U was anywhere near current gen PC. Maybe 2010/early 2011 PC
reading comprehension, my thunder from down under
i said current gen pc is nintendo's next next gen
Nintendo’s next generation hardware will be roughly twice as powerful as Microsoft’s current system, the Xbox 360, according to a studio source speaking to Develop.
The person, communicating anonymously from a studio currently building a Wii U title, said the new Nintendo console could achieve roughly twice the processing and graphical potential of Microsoft’s current generation machine.
While twice the power of an Xbox 360 is broadly above market expectations, Develop’s source claimed this is in fact less than some studios had expected.
“I've heard [a project designer] complain it's underpowered compared to what Nintendo announced, resulting in people having to de-scale their plans,” the source added.
Nintendo’s persistence with non-disclosure agreements means that it has been difficult for Develop to cross-examine the source’s claim, which was made late last year.
However, yesterday a separate insider source told IGN that the next generation Xbox will be “six times as powerful” as its predecessor – the key addition being that this will mean it yields a “20 per cent greater performance than Wii U”.
That unverified calculation, if true, echoes claims from the Develop source who claims the Wii U is far more powerful than current expectations.
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Develop also understands that a prominent UK racing studio has committed to support Wii U with one project each year.
That unverified calculation, if true, echoes claims from the Develop source who claims the Wii U is far more powerful than current expectations.
Also note - if you post that Zelda Wii U demo as a demo of how awesome next gen is going to be i will perma ban you for being a fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.
Completely in the realms of this gen. Fucking clues.... can you not buy them on the Nintendo fucking e-shop yet?
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I think even Prole was strongly suggesting around here that he'd heard the WiiU had a bit more balls than people were pegging it for.
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They actually come just short of confirming it. A Develop source said Wii U is "far more powerful" than people currently think. They currently think it's between 1.5x to 2x as powerful as a 360. Not hard to do the math.
Microsoft will upgrade its disc technology for its next Xbox from DVDs to Blu-Ray discs, catching up to rival Sony, games industry sources tell Kotaku.
Sony's PlayStation 3 currently supports Blu-Ray, which can contain 25 or 50GB of data compared to DVD's 9GB.
But that disc detail could be far less impactful to the next generation of game consoles than the assertion I've heard from one reliable industry source that Microsoft intends to incorporate some sort of anti-used game system as part of their so-called Xbox 720.
It's not clear if that means that the system wouldn't play used games or how such a set-up would work. Obvious approaches—I'm theorizing here—like linking a copy of a game to a specific Xbox Live account could seemingly be foiled by used-game owners who would keep their system offline. My source wasn't sure how Microsoft intended to implement any anti-used game system in the new machine.
A push in any way by Microsoft against used games would likely be cheered from publishers sick of seeing retailers like GameStop crow about their revenues from the sale of used games. But it could potentially anger consumers who rely on buying cheaply-sold used games or even pass games to relatives or friends.
One source familiar with Microsoft's plans for the new Xbox said Microsoft plans to ship their new Xbox with a new version of its red-hot Kinect hands-free sensor system. The new Kinect would contain an on-board processor, a feature originally intended for the first Kinect. That processor would enable a new Kinect to more effectively detect users' motions.
I'm also hearing that Microsoft is interested in making a smaller controller for its new console.
And what of gaming site IGN's report that the machine could be six times more powerful than the Xbox 360? From some industry sources I'm hearing that that's the right ballpark and that Microsoft is estimating they might even get to 8x the Xbox 360. But another insider clarified that no one in the industry has development kits yet and that any talk about specs right now is still hypothetical.
They could have just got away with using HD-DVD.Would've loaded faster. ;)spoiler (click to show/hide):teehee[close]
I'm also hearing that Microsoft is interested in making a smaller controller for its new console.
But that disc detail could be far less impactful to the next generation of game consoles than the assertion I've heard from one reliable industry source that Microsoft intends to incorporate some sort of anti-used game system as part of their so-called Xbox 720.
I would be surprised if they weren't at least developing back-end stuff for identifying and assigning game discs to consoles or accounts. doubt they'll go balls out and make it a cd-key system proper though. But with the prevalence of stuff like pre-order/buy new dlc and online passes I could see them wanting something on the OS level.
disclaimer: I have a friend who studies economics, therefore my estimates are probably worth reading.
If the Blu Ray is true, xbros will then know the joys of making a sandwich while the game installs. MS is 'The Great Uniter'. :bowMS method is dumping the whole game via the dashboard itself instead of Sony's where developers code their own install method.
New consoles will be announced and I don't even care... this is probably the first time this has ever happened to me.Well they're practically two years away right now and we don't even know what their specs are...
I didn't pay much attention to Revolution,how did that exactly go?
google,WEDNESDAYTON
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60174 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60174)
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:lol
Stoney is so sane.
i'm fine with consoles dying
join the master race, we'll throw in the hdmi cable
you're not going to see geometric performance increases on ANY new console platform. the wii u will be the low range of what the new consoles offer -- like, it'll be the dreamcast of the next gen. the new differentiators in the console market will be services and non-perf features, i expect.
JOIN THE MASTER RACE.
Had to perform a massive ::) for the people on my twitter feed posting or retweeting that if Xbox 720 or whatever doesn't support used games then Nintendo wins the generation.
So used games are ok again now? Someone tell me what I'm mean to think.
Honestly, if MS is the only one that does it, then yes, it'll fuck them. If Nintendo is the only one who doesn't do it, well, it gives them a major leg-up. I mean, never mind the Gamestop/used stores thing, which is huge - such a "feature" would also lock out trading games around between friends and family, renting them, etc...
Straight up, I would not buy a console that forced me to use physical media but didn't allow me to take advantage of playing non-new games, unless for some reason ALL the consoles did it, in which case, I would buck up, buttercup.
next next gen = bunch of people sitting in front of PC waiting for Steam "deal of the day"You mean in front of their iPads
next next gen = bunch of people sitting in front of PC waiting for Steam "deal of the day"
it's the internet, i don't give a fuck about punctuation
also, is this not a board to express opinions, whether speculative or not
i mean, this is the stupid rumor thread, there's a fucking neon sign on the door stating that fact so you know what you're getting when you click into it
also, you can all kiss my ass
also, you can all kiss my ass
The new XBOX controller came to me in a dream last night. It had two d-pads in addition to two analogue sticks, and you had to press an altogether different button to switch between the two. Don't know what my subconscious was thinking there but at least it beats the Wiimote.
The new XBOX controller came to me in a dream last night. It had two d-pads in addition to two analogue sticks, and you had to press an altogether different button to switch between the two. Don't know what my subconscious was thinking there but at least it beats the Wiimote.
I've been thinking about joining the master race in the last few weeks. I'm about to get hired for a salaried job (hooray) and the first thing I'm buying for myself is a PC. I'm excited.
I've been thinking about joining the master race in the last few weeks. I'm about to get hired for a salaried job (hooray) and the first thing I'm buying for myself is a PC. I'm excited.
Same. First thing I'm buying is a smartphone, then a decent PC.
All aboard the Dolphin train woo woo. :)
The content unlocked by the controversial Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning Online Pass is day one DLC, one of its creators has said.
The Online Pass, included in new copies of the open world fantasy RPG, unlocks the House of Valor faction quest, which includes seven individual single player missions. In addition, it unlocks a Mass Effect 3-themed in-game item - the N7-inspired Shepard's Battle Armour.
If you have a second hand copy of the game, you have to pay for the Online Pass to unlock the content.
Now Curt Schilling, head of co-developer 38 Studios, has had his say, explaining that the content is day one DLC, free to anyone who buys a new copy of the game - but, yes, if you buy a pre-owned version you have to pay for the content.
"It's clear the intent right?" Schilling wrote on the Reckoning forum. "To promote early adopters and MUCH MORE IMPORTANT TO ME, REWARD fans and gamers who commit to us with their time and money when it benefits the company.
"Every single person on the planet could wait and not buy Reckoning, the game would hit the bargain bin at some point and you could get it cheaper. 38 Studios would likely go away.
"That's just how business works. We MUST make a profit to become what we want to become. THE ONLY way we do that is to make games you CANNOT WAIT TO BUY! If we do that, and you do that, we want to reward you with some cool free stuff as a thank you."
"The industry is in a very odd place," he said. "The data coming in on used game sales is not saying the things many thought it should, or would. But companies are still trying to figure out how to receive dollars spent on games they make, when they are bought. Is that wrong? if so please tell me how.
"Again, you can argue with methods, or process, and you absolutely can bitch and gripe about ANY DAY 1 DLC you are charged for, because I think I agree with many on that, but we are trying to create something here, product and company wise, and it takes dollars to do that."
None of this stuff is working. They're just frontloading sales to the day one, then first week of sales look great and then everything drops off a cliff instead of the gradual decline of yore. People who were going to wait will wait.
Yes and if those people want that DLC, they'll have to buy it. So they're possibly recouping some money on the used sale instead of not having a chance to. Makes good business sense.
I don't like online passes but then I don't like whiny bitches who always complain about it in every thread when it's standard practice at this point for companies like EA.
It probably makes them a relatively small amount of revenue but that small amount is better than nothing from their perspective.
yeah, it's something that comes up all the time on gaf and I'm never quite sure what it's all about. from what I understand, certain content is locked out until you enter a code or buy the DLC.
Forthcoming snowboarding revival SSX ships with an online pass, publisher EA has confirmed.
As detailed by GameInformer, all players will be able to access the game's Explore and Global Events multiplayer modes, however, any in-game credits earned will be withheld until an online pass code is activated.
That code is included in new copies of the game, but those picking the game up second hand will have to fork over $10 for a digital voucher.
"In SSX, players without an Online Pass are able to compete and play in both of SSX's online game modes, Explore and Global Events with no restrictions," explained an EA spokesperson.
"In Global Events, the top finishers from each event are awarded with in-game credits. These in-game credits earned during play will not be awarded to the player if they do not have an Online Pass; these credits will be stored so that at any time, if a player redeems an Online Pass code, all the credits that they had previously earned in Global Events will be immediately awarded to them."
The credits let you unlock new items for your character and participate in special event drops across the two game modes.
stop complaining, you'll annoy stoney mason
Too Late!
fffff tried to warn you
Sources are whispering to us that Microsoft has already commissioned work on a Project Gotham Racing 5 title. The company is apparently planning to take the wraps off this 5th entry in the franchise at E3 in June.
This is all the more surprising, as the studio best associated with the Project Gotham Racing franchise is Bizarre Creations; once it was spun off from Microsoft it was shut down by Activision after the first title after PGR (which was called Blur) pretty much tanked. Now, we are hearing that none other than Turn 10 is the studio handling the development of PGR 5. Turn 10, of course, is best known for the Forza franchise.
What also caught our attention is the news that Microsoft might be preparing PGR 5 as a showcase title for the release of the next Xbox, according to sources who claim to be in the know. That PGR 5 would be used to launch the next Xbox console isn’t a stretch, as Microsoft used the PGR 3 as part of the launch titles for the Xbox 360.
We think it is more likely that PGR 5 will be launched as an Xbox 360 exclusive. In addition to PGR 5 we are again starting to hear rumblings that the Codies might be finally ready to announce Grid 2, which means that the release of PGR 5 might have some competition.
Right now, we would take all of this with a gain of salt, but it does seem that something is happening with the PGR franchise. We are just not sure what that something is yet.
Key new features of Windows Phone 8 include:
Data Smart. A way to actively save cellular data when possible and avoid "bill shock". Microsoft (not coincidentally) just blogged about this feature in relation to Windows 8. Re-read that post and think about how a smart phone would need/use exactly the same functionality. Data Smart can be extended by wireless carriers to integrate with their offered data plans.
App-to-App communication. Because Windows Phone 8 apps, like Windows 8 apps, are sandboxed from each other, this new system will provide a Windows 8 contracts-like app-to-app communications capabilities.
Internet Explorer 10 Mobile. Windows Phone 8 will continue to use a highly tuned version of IE which utilizes the latest web technologies.
Shared components with Windows 8. The kernel, multi-core processor support, sensor fusion, security model, network, and video and graphics technologies are all coming to Phone from Windows 8.
Companion experiences with Windows 8. Microsoft is offering a very similar user experience across phone (Windows Phone 8 ), PC (Windows 8 ), and TV (Xbox vNext). Pocketnow says there will be a new sync client, and not Zune PC software, though I can't confirm that part, and a set of common cloud services that will work across all three. This includes the ability to sync content (photos, music, movies) between the three screens, phone management from PC or web, shared content between each device, and Xbox LIVE games, entertainment, and more.
SkyDrive integration. Microsoft will make your content available on all of its platforms via SkyDrive.
Skype app. Still a separate but better app and not integrated into OS. Still optional.
NFC and Wallet. Windows Phone 8 will allow users to securely pay and share via NFC and manage an integrated Wallet experience.
Local Scout. Now with personal recommendations.
Camera improvements. New "lens apps" and a far more powerful camera experience.
Business features. Windows Phone 8 will include full-device, hardware-accelerated encryption with BitLocker and always-on Secure Boot capabilities, just like Windows 8. Also, it will support additional Exchange ActiveSync policies and System Center configuration settings and inventory capabilities. Businesses will be able to distribute phone apps privately as they can with Windows 8 apps.
The hype for a next-generation Xbox console is well and truly hotting up; more-so since the news hit that Microsoft are rolling out production of developer units that feature an Oban chipset manufactured by IBM.
Whilst the next-gen Xbox is commonly known and referred to as an Xbox 720 – it was previously rumoured due to an MS Nerd source as codename ‘Loop’, whilst other sources point to the direction of ‘Xbox Infinity’. Would it shock you so much that Microsoft are pondering over naming the third generation Xbox console, which just so happens to be an eighth generation home console, “XBOX 8″ in line with Windows 8, Windows Phone 8 that will fluently all interconnect with each other.
So, how did we come by this news – well, an employee for a well known combined Publisher and Developer known to thisisxbox.com (who left his employment just a mere few days ago) stated that despite a current mass run of developer units ready to go into production, themselves and other developers of top titles have already received dev units of hardware, but in an alpha non-console form. Also confirming that newer versions of that unit in a non-console form was shown behind closed doors at the recent CES 2012 event by invite only running a fully playable version of Battlefield 3.
Next up, codename ‘Loop’ and codename ‘Infinity’ are meant to relate to services accessible within the online functions of XBOX 8 and not actually be names of the console itself. Infinity is an enhanced form of what we know now as Xbox LIVE, and will be the platform used for future Xbox 8 digital downloads, Windows 8 digital downloads, and Apps for all three systems. Infinity (note not Xbox Infinity) is an online platform that could also be implemented within future TV sets to bring approved apps to the home without the need for an Xbox console attached to the TV.
Xbox Loop is a codename for a service that will bring all current-gen digital stock into a next-gen era on the new console – it is the backwards compatible functions, but since it is likely to launch from within Infinity on the Xbox 8, we will never hear or see it referred to as Loop outside of the developer units unless it is used within the retail version of Windows 8 later this year.
Kaz Hirai is set to replace Howard Stringer as CEO and president in April after the close of the company's current financial year. Sony said this week it expects to report a 220 billion yen ($1.8 billion) loss for the 12 month period, which will be the Tokyo-based firm's fourth annual loss in a row, a first since it was listed in 1958.
Hirai, whose first job at the now defunct music joint venture CBS/Sony saw him working as a translator for bands like the Beastie Boys and Journey, told the Wall Street Journal: "I thought turning around the PlayStation business was going to be the toughest challenge of my career, but I guess not. It's one issue after another. I feel like 'Holy shit, now what?'
Hirai said the company "can't just continue to be a great purveyor of hardware products, even though some people expect us to do that." Instead, its 168,000 employees must work to create and deliver the "user experience".
"We really need to buckle down and be realistic," he said. "I don't think everybody is on board, but I think people are coming around to the idea that if we don't turn this around, we could be sitting in some serious trouble."
Looks like Sony's PS4 will be gimped too.
$399 is the new $299Probably, but I bet Sony and MS will launch at higher than that. If Ninty go more than 4 on a system that's essentially on par with the other twos current offerings they're fucking insane. Hell I think the idea of $400 for weeeoooo is absurd but that doesn't mean they won't do it.
QuoteLooks like Sony's PS4 will be gimped too.
This whole next xbox,PS4 will be slightly more powerful mantra sounds like 3DS vs Vita deja vu.
Ninthings--no way that Sony makes something significantly more powerful than 3DS,not at same price,battery life,no way
MCV reckons the platform holders should make sure they keep their French executives in the loop. As has been widely reported, we still maintain that both platform holders will debut their next-gen plans at E3 in June.
The systems will each be more powerful than the other probably just based on the release date and the fact that Nintendo is conservative. I firmly believe the PS 4 will be last and that itself gives them a slight potential tech advantage.
Of course for actual sales it doesn't really matter. The masses don't buy a console just because it has some slight minor tech advantage. And the further we go along the less this tech stuff means even to me. The differences between a 720 and a PS 4 in practical terms will be moot. It was just about moot even with a 360 and PS 3 despite what fanboys will have you believe although the best of the system exclusives on the PS 3 look better than the system exclusives on the 360.
Whichever console targets their market most effectively will win;
The next Xbox possibly disallowing pre-owned games from being played? That would bea "fantastic change for our business", according to Volition (Saints Row) design director Jameson Durall.
In an article on #AltDevBlogADay, Durall offered ideas on how Microsoft might implement such technology.
"The system is already there for Microsoft," wrote Durall, "all they'd have to do is use the DLC and codes model they have to tie a game to your Xbox live account. Each retail disc would likely need that unique key somewhere in the code so the account would be able to link it properly. Ideally it would tie a full version to the console it is registered on so family members can play even if the main account isn't signed in, but this is exactly how their model works now anyway.
"It does have it's faults that would have to ironed out," he acknowledged, "like game rental. I'm a fan of rental companies because they have to buy copies of the game to be able to rent them out and if someone likes the game, there is a chance they would purchase it for themselves.
"I could see Microsoft implementing their own rental service which would maybe give them a code that activates the game for X days and they are charged a small amount. This could work when you borrow the disc from someone or even with digital download of the full version. It would also send a percentage of the rental to the developer with each rental - likely improving the overall revenue we would receive from it.
"Another issue would be with simply lending the game to a friend," Durall went on, "but maybe they could implement something similar to what Amazon is doing with their Kindle Books lending policy. The license of the game could be transferred for a set time to another Gamertag and the original owner won't be able to play during that time. Seems like it could work."
Through DLC, publishers and developers have found ways to make more money from their games. They've also attempted to monetise pre-owned sales by requiring codes to unlock multiplayer or to enable DLC. First-hand buyers of the game are given this code for free, but those who pick-up the copy second-hand need to purchase a fresh code online.
These methods are "really just a band-aid on a large wound", wrote Durall.
"In the end, I fully believe that we have to do something about these issues or our industry is going to fall apart," he urged.
"People often don't understand the cost that goes into creating these huge experiences that we put on the shelves for only $60. They also don't seem to realise how much they are hurting us when they buy a used game and how pirating a copy is just plain stealing. Maybe something as simple as educating them could help solve the problem...
"I know that some will say I'm not considering the retail games stores and the impact something like this would have on them, but remember, they were doing fine well before the used games market became such a staple of their business.
"The truth is, [retail stores] aren't concerned with how this business is affecting us, so why should I care how these changes will affect them?
"Every game I buy is new from Amazon and arrives at my door on or close to release day, shipped free with no tax. The proper revenue also gets to the Developer that created it - how could a retail store ever get more convenient than that?"
Jameson Durall is design director of "Secret Project Y" at Volition, a THQ studio. Volition most recently released Saints Row: The Third, which has been a success for embattled publisher THQ. Volition will now work on announced Guillermo del Toro collaboration InSane, plus Secret Project Y, which we can only assume will be Saints Row 4.
"Every game I buy is new from Amazon and arrives at my door on or close to release day, shipped free with no tax. The proper revenue also gets to the Developer that created it - how could a retail store ever get more convenient than that?"
There really does need to be variable pricing on physical releases. I'm fine paying $60 for Skyrim, but that new Rayman 2D sidescroller? Come on.
i like how Durall is like "we make these huge experiences that we put on the shelf for only $60"
"only" $60, he says, like $60 video games aren't one of the most expensive entertainment products a customer can buy
having a fucking coke habit is cheaper
i agree about pc dd games, as there are often huge presale discounts and the retail price plummets within a couple of months
but i am getting a kick out of how a lot of people seem to think this kind of stuff is going to lead to steam-like sales and price drops on console games, though
you would think just looking at the shitty "sales" sony and microsoft have held on their downloadable games in the past ought to cure people of that notion, as well as the nutty pricing on their full game downloads
example, halo 3:
xbox marketplace = $29.99
gamestop used = $4.99
take away used games and there's your future, $29.99 for a five year old game
this crash is going to be michael bay spectacular
I don't mean crash in the Atari crash sense, which I was around for, and remember - I was too young to know what it really meant, but suddenly there were all these dump bins at Camelot Music and Sears filled with 2600 games slashed down as low as $5, and then my folks bought me a brand-new Intellivision with the voice module and a buttload (like, 6) of games (I later found out they paid around $50 total). I was in heaven for a little bit, then everything dried up for several years, and I moved on to other interests.
The next Xbox will be a matt-black media hub with a mission to bring games to life in your living room with augmented reality, directional sound, and a four-player finger-tracking Kinect. We told you all that last month. This month, our sources tell us it will have a touchscreen, too.
Microsoft are experimenting with a tablet-like controller with a shape closer to Sony's sleek Vita handheld / Apple's iPad than Wii U's bulky unit - it's an HD screen surrounded by the traditional 360 buttons and sticks.
On 360 that touchscreen will be second only to Kinect in how you operate your console. It could be a remote control when you're watching TV, a browser when you're on the internet, extra buttons and information when playing a game or a portable display when you want to take your game with you.
According to Epic Games vice president Mark Rein, The Unreal Engine 4 will be revealed in 2012. We were speaking with Mark about Epic founder Tim Sweeney's contribution to the gaming world, the Unreal Engine, when Rein mentioned we could expect to see more Unreal 4 this year.
"People are going to be shocked later this year when they see Unreal Engine 4 and how much more profound an effect it will have," Rein said.
We expect Epic will be releasing more information on the game engine later today at DICE 2012, so stick around G4TV.com's DICE 2012 coverage.
The DICE summit is currently taking place as awards are being handed out and moments ago Mark Rein took the stage. While talking about Unreal Engine 4 he said that the graphics engine was running on “systems I can’t talk about by name.” This would obviously point to the next generation of consoles being pretty far into development. Let the rumors continue to come out of the woodworks!
UPDATE: The quote was technically “Including systems we can’t name yet.”
A group of unnamed developers are specifically working on next-generation game projects with CryEngine 3, according to the tech’s vendor Crytek.
CryEngine business executive Carl Jones said studios “are already using CryEngine 3 for games with target platforms significantly higher in power than the current-gen consoles”.
Develop understands that a range of studios are currently building titles for Microsoft’s successor to the Xbox 360. In some cases, dev houses have spent more than a year on various projects.
Several internal Sony studios, meanwhile, have begun early work on PlayStation 4 projects. However there is little evidence that third-party companies have access to the future console.
Kotaku has heard from multiple sources close to the project that the code-name for Microsoft's next console is Durango.
Yup. Durango.
Note this is a code-name. Like the Katana (Dreamcast), Dolphin (GameCube) and Revolution (Wii) before it, it's not the name that will appear on the finished product when you finally get your hands on one.
It is the name, however, that you'll be hearing during the console's final development phase, that awkward time between it being first shown off and then actually released to the public.
Interestingly, it seems to also suggest a bit of a pattern in Microsoft's recent internal naming policies. While naming projects after places is nothing new, the company seems to be in favour of warmer climates these days; Kinect, before we knew it as Kinect, was called Natal, named for a city in Brazil. Durango, meanwhile, is the name of one of Mexico's 31 states.
Sony is working on an as-yet-unannounced new gaming console, former AMD employees say, and the processor designer may play a key role in the new product.
AMD’s graphics technology is already used in Microsoft’s XBox 360 console. However, Sony’s PlayStation 3 — introduced in 2006 — relies on graphics technology from Nvidia.AMD declined to comment on the project. Sony Chief Transformation Officer George Bailey also declined to discuss Sony’s new console, or even acknowledge its existence.
Mike Capps @epicactual
Just reviewed all projects and GDC @UnrealEngine demos. I felt like a proud papa. Demo made people gasp, literally.
Amazing gaming week with Journey & Vita. But the top, top secret thing I saw t'other day... The internet will go bananas when it's shown.
That is a very annoying tweet, I realise, it's just that I'm SO EXCITED by what I saw. Shouldn't be too long for you to wait.
@ShogunDarius The internet will go bananas at how impressive it is.
Epic’s announced it’s to preview Unreal Engine 4 at GDC next week to “select licensees, partners and prospective customers.”
Bethesda Game Studios is looking for experienced programmers to work on cutting-edge technology for an unannounced game on future-generation consoles.
-Ability to write large new engine systems as well as maintain and restructure existing ones
-Knowledge of Unreal Engine.
Knowledge of Direct3D 11 (compute shaders, tessellation etc.). OpenGL 4.x experience also considered.
-Actively follows developments in graphics and engine design research topics, in particular real-time lighting techniques such as real-time global illumination and deferred rendering pipelines
Enjoying the Durango developers summit in London. So far, great swag and interesting talks.
Omg seeing some CryEngine licensee videos, blowing my mind they'll go public later next week stay tuned!http://twitter.com/#!/Cry_SeanT/status/174513741046620160 (http://twitter.com/#!/Cry_SeanT/status/174513741046620160)
The PlayStation 4 will not use Sony's Cell processor nor any possible successor to the vaunted chipset that was introduced to the world through the PlayStation 3, gaming industry sources tell Kotaku.
What we're hearing from sources follow a Forbes rumor last week that chip-maker AMD would make the graphics chip for a PS4, a shift from the PS3's use of a graphics chip from AMD rival Nvidia.
The abandonment of the Cell architecture would thrill the many game developers who have struggled with the complex chipset, but it could also be viewed as the admission of a mistake.
Cell was the pet project of PlayStation creator Ken Kutaragi, who dreamed that the chip—a "Power Processing Element" married to eight "Synergistic Processing Elements"—would make the PS3 the most impressive gaming console ever. He spoke of a home equipped with multiple devices that were powered by Cell, all of them linking to each other to increase the computational power driving any of the devices.
I think firing fucking Kutaragi is already as much of an admission of a mistake as is needed really
I recently heard from a reputable source that the forthcoming Sony console is "essentially a PC" in terms of its technological make-up and in this sense, an AMD collaboration on the CPU holds many attractions - for the first time since the launch of the original Xbox, we could well be seeing an x86 processor in a console. It may be hard to imagine that the company that brought us the Cell would be embracing PC tech so wholeheartedly, but a look at the make-up of Vita suggests a fundamental shift in the way Sony builds its consoles in the wake of Ken Kutaragi's departure.http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/digitalfoundry-alienware-x51-pc-gaming?page=2 (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/digitalfoundry-alienware-x51-pc-gaming?page=2)
It's not about exotic, groundbreaking hardware anymore, it's all about creating the best possible games machine with an enviable set of development tools - and it's an approach that has already yielded results. While PlayStation Vita may lack a stand-out killer app, I still think that it's set the bar in terms of overall quality and quantity over and above any console launch I've seen in over 21 years in the business. Extrapolating that same philosophy towards PlayStation 4 makes a PC-style approach to Sony's next console seem very likely indeed.
No reason to doubt that.Just taking the PS3, the GPU and Blu Ray are arguably much bigger mistakes.
CELL was the biggest Sony mistake since... well ever.
Yes, you heard that right, multiple sources have been telling SemiAccurate for some time that AMD won not just the GPU as many are suggesting, but the CPU as well. Sony will almost assuredly use an x86 CPU for the PS4, and after Cell in the PS3, can you really blame them? While this may point to a very Fusion/Llano-like architecture we hear that is only the beginning.
So far, so ‘meh’, but Sony isn’t stopping there, and this is what we didn’t want to believe for so long, Sony is going stacking crazy. The leaks all say that there are multiple additions to the core CPU/GPU chip, and they are not on the same die. Actually, given the steady stream of hints surrounding stacking coming from our Japanese speaking moles, the CPU and GPU could very well be on separate, or even stacked dies too. If you look at console economics, the idea is to make a really big and expensive chip that pushes the bounds of manufacturability. You could make two much less expensive chips that don’t push the boundaries nearly as hard, and end up faster than a single chip competitor like Oban.
For the PS3, Sony put two really big and expensive chips in it, and the core Cell didn’t yield well, didn’t perform as intended, and ended up with a core fused off in order to get to market. 5+ years and several shrinks later, it is easy enough to make, yields very well, and is pretty darn cheap to make. Lose your shirt at first, make it up later, and buy yourself added longevity in the process. That basic formula still works, so the PS4 might be a ‘two chip fusion’ design with the intent to weld the two when the technology allows.
If you do that, you need an interposer, something that Intel has been talking about for a while, and recently shown off parts of too. Luckily, if you know where to look, you will see that AMD is behind, but not by much. Given what they are showing off, the tech will be more than ready by any realistic PS4 ship date. With an interposer, you can do things like stack memory on it, and stack a large number low wattage chips.
One reason we haven’t been talking much about this part is that some of the leaks from credible sources are, well, so far out there that they don’t sound believable. With each new leak, those ‘way out there’ ideas seem more and more likely. Are they pie in the sky dreams, or this Sony laying down the law as to who is king of the console business? Six months ago, we would have leaned towards “put down the crack pipe and step away from the EDA tools”, but now we think Sony is trying to take no prisoners this round.
One of the things that we had heard about the PS4 chip, or should we say PS4 SoC, is that Sony is really keen on the idea of TSVs. The other bit is that they are going to have lots of extras, we have heard about sensors, but that could just be part of the other odd bit, FPGAs. Yeah, there is a lot of weird talk coming out of Sony engineers, and programmable logic, aka an FPGA, is just one of the things. Additional media processing blocks, DSPs, and similar blocks are all part of the concept.
To do all of this, and I do realize how odd it sounds, you would need some monumental memory bandwidth for it not so starve. Sony is known for screwy memory architectures, if you have ever seen PS3 programming documents, you know how much pain a dev has to go through to get bits in the right place at the right time. The PS4 looks to be better in that regard, but far from perfect. Expect stacked memory, and lots of it, all over the aforementioned interposer. I know this sounds crazy, but we have been hearing it for a year plus now, and, well discounted most of it until Paul Demsey got the same story from a Sony CTO.
In the end, it looks like Sony is going to go for the take no prisoners option on the PS4. If you don’t push fab limits that hard, but do push advanced packaging to the limit, you could very well end up with a monster that is simply not manufacturable as a single die. It won’t be cheap, but it will undoubtedly punt a single chip, or a single chip with stacked DRAM, in to the weeds.
Once again, the end result comes down to the age old question of can they make it? On the surface, the answer is yes, but once manufacturing begins, things may not be quite so rosy. The talk from Sony about the PS4 that seemed like so much of a pipe dream last spring seems, well scary realistic right about now. We don’t expect the PS4 before late 2013 best case, 2014 seems much more likely, so things may change a lot before you can buy one.http://semiaccurate.com/2012/03/02/sony-playstation-4-will-be-an-x86-cpu-with-an-amd-gpu/ (http://semiaccurate.com/2012/03/02/sony-playstation-4-will-be-an-x86-cpu-with-an-amd-gpu/)
So in the end, we close with a simple thought, the Playstation 4 is almost undoubtedly an x86 part with AMD graphics too. That is only the very beginning though. If Sony can back up the boasting with real silicon, and the packaging elves can make it in quantity, it should be a game changer, pun intended. Sony is aiming for the moon just like they did for the PS3. Let hope they come closer to the mark this time, game developers could sure use the power.
MCV has learnt that Microsoft has been telling partners that the Next Xbox will NOT include a disc drive.
The briefings have been issued under what MCV’s source describes as “the strictest NDA” they have ever encountered.
Although the console will not include a disc drive, it will offer compatibility with some sort of interchangeable solid-state card storage, although it is not known whether this will be proprietary or a more standard format such as SD.
Furthermore, a 2013 launch date for the hardware has been confirmed. What is less clear, however, is the intended timing of Microsoft’s announcement.
As revealed by MCV earlier this year, an E3 2012 reveal could still very much be on the cards.
The omission of a disc drive signifies the beginning of a new era for games consoles and represents a potentially savage blow to the already beleaguered video games retail sector.
Of course, retailers will tell you that they are already involved in the digital market. Indeed, GAME is enjoying growing revenue from the sale of digital download cards for digital-only titles and DLC.
Nonetheless, the abolition of physical games is bad news for retail however it is spun. With the Next Xbox positioned as a digital centric platform, the relevance of retail will once once again eroded.
When contacted by MCV Microsoft said that it does not comment on rumour and speculation.
UPDATE: Microsoft has issued a fuller statement to MCV.
“Xbox 360 has found new ways to extend its lifecycle like introducing the world to controller-free experiences with Kinect and re-inventing the console with a new dashboard and new entertainment content partnerships. We are always thinking about what is next for our platform and how to continue to defy the lifecycle convention. Beyond that we do not comment on rumors or speculation.”
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/exclusive-no-disc-drive-for-next-xbox/092534 (http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/exclusive-no-disc-drive-for-next-xbox/092534)Can you imagine the backwards compatibility meltdowns if this turns out to be true?QuoteMCV has learnt that Microsoft has been telling partners that the Next Xbox will NOT include a disc drive.
The briefings have been issued under what MCV’s source describes as “the strictest NDA” they have ever encountered.
Although the console will not include a disc drive, it will offer compatibility with some sort of interchangeable solid-state card storage, although it is not known whether this will be proprietary or a more standard format such as SD.
Furthermore, a 2013 launch date for the hardware has been confirmed. What is less clear, however, is the intended timing of Microsoft’s announcement.
As revealed by MCV earlier this year, an E3 2012 reveal could still very much be on the cards.
The omission of a disc drive signifies the beginning of a new era for games consoles and represents a potentially savage blow to the already beleaguered video games retail sector.
Of course, retailers will tell you that they are already involved in the digital market. Indeed, GAME is enjoying growing revenue from the sale of digital download cards for digital-only titles and DLC.
Nonetheless, the abolition of physical games is bad news for retail however it is spun. With the Next Xbox positioned as a digital centric platform, the relevance of retail will once once again eroded.
When contacted by MCV Microsoft said that it does not comment on rumour and speculation.
me=Nostradamus
I bet you will be able to buy optical drive addon.
Sounds like a Vita to me
an external drive isn't bad for a console. none in the console would be weird. Microsoft is all about that home media experience and while 360 has heaps of digital options, dvd/blu-ray still sort of matters. or maybe microsoft just doesn't want games to be limited by drive read speeds or something.Yeah, it's still too early to go entirely discless. Maybe the gen after this upcoming one.
yeah, you're right, borys
after all an ipad is exactly the same thing as a dedicated video game device, and the psp go's smashing success certainly backs you up
some of the psp game prices on psn are lol, who the fuck is going to pay $30 for the psp version of dirt 2
I have no DL cap as yet and I don't enjoy games shopping at all. I hate game boxes on the whole (quick - name one that looks better than a Jack Kirby, Mignola or Moebius book! ...you can't) so would rather devote that precious shelf space to something else.
(http://i.imgur.com/z2y2S.jpg):lol :lol :lol Also I always thought the international box art for Ico wasn't that much less shit than the US version. They're both dull and stupid.
:lol :lol :lol Also I always thought the international box art for Ico wasn't that much less shit than the US version. They're both dull and stupid.
n, still mediocre packaging.:lol :lol :lol Also I always thought the international box art for Ico wasn't that much less shit than the US version. They're both dull and stupid.
do you find Salvador Dali dull and stupid: y/n
I have no DL cap as yet and I don't enjoy games shopping at all. I hate game boxes on the whole (quick - name one that looks better than a Jack Kirby, Mignola or Moebius book! ...you can't) so would rather devote that precious shelf space to something else.
Fucking ethered.
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You don't need some turbo fast internet,preloading takes care of that,over night download is nothing.MS doesn't care much about no internet people.No Gold = Z grade citizen
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I owned this one :lol
I can see the possibility of 2 SKUs, one digital only and the other with BD support.
But a DD only console? Consider our relationship over, Microsoft.
Yeah, how is lining up all night then driving home any more instantly gratifying? I had Mass Effect 3 installed within 15 mins of deciding to buy it from Origin. Unless you have a game store on your block, good luck getting it any faster.
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I owned this one :lol
I actually still have that poster on my wall, directly above my bed. :lol
that's all well and good for xbox but on sony's servers downloading a PS3 full game takes 58.3 years
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I owned this one :lol
I actually still have that poster on my wall, directly above my bed. :lol
:lol
pics please
that's all well and good for xbox but on sony's servers downloading a PS3 full game takes 58.3 years
that's all well and good for xbox but on sony's servers downloading a PS3 full game takes 58.3 yearsI have vanilla GT5, bought it at launch. Havent bothered to update that fucker because 2GB worth of patches = 10 days wait.
(http://i.imgur.com/M4guS.jpg)Bad. Ass. :bow
A fine poster, indeed, but those pillow-covers look like they're about to sprout legs and walk themselves to the incinerator in sheer self-disgust
Also did someone try to burn your door?
Rumor: Obsidian’s Cancelled Project Was For The Next Xbox, Published By Microsoft
Obsidian's ill-fated 'North Carolina' game was slated for the next Xbox and published by Microsoft, according to sources familiar with the project who spoke to Kotaku today.
Yesterday, after almost seven months of development, Microsoft cancelled the project, our sources said. Obsidian consequently had to let go of 30 people, as reported by several outlets this morning.
One source close to the project informed Kotaku that Obsidian CEO Feargus Urquhart choked up while addressing the company during a meeting yesterday afternoon. While he normally projects loudly, the source said, he was chillingly quiet while informing staff that North Carolina had been cancelled.
Rage poster next to Blade Runner one.
smh
Obsidian is a weird company to me. New Vegas is a pretty stellar game but I can't get into anything else they've done. It all seems pretty busted and filled with nice ideas but poor execution. Maybe I'd feel better about Alpha Protocol if I hadn't played Mass Effect 2 months previous. AP really should have hit before ME2 did.
Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) will release the next version of its Xbox console in 2013 at the earliest, as the company squeezes at least one more year of sales out of its current model, said two people with knowledge of the matter.
The company may show the successor to its Xbox 360 in June 2013 at the E3 conference and put it on sale that same year, said the people, who declined to be named because the plans are confidential. David Dennis, a company spokesman, said earlier today that Microsoft won’t discuss new Xbox hardware at this year’s E3, quelling speculation that the device would be unveiled at the 2012 show.
“They’re still selling a lot of Xbox 360, and they’re making money,” said Michael Pachter, an analyst at Wedbush Securities Inc. in Los Angeles. “I don’t think the world needs them to put a new console out just because we’re bored.”
Microsoft has no reason to put out a new console soon, Pachter said. He estimates that the company makes about $115 of profit on the $300 Xbox 360, a model with a hard drive.
Obsidian is a weird company to me. New Vegas is a pretty stellar game but I can't get into anything else they've done. It all seems pretty busted and filled with nice ideas but poor execution. Maybe I'd feel better about Alpha Protocol if I hadn't played Mass Effect 2 months previous. AP really should have hit before ME2 did.
haven't played AP tho
Except Dungeon Siege 3, because I haven't played that.
I prefer Bethesda out of Bioware and Obsidian.
US shop GameStop has poured cold water on the rumour that the next Xbox will include anti-used game technology.
In January Kotaku reported that its sources said Microsoft's next home console would use Blu-ray discs and that Microsoft was planning on including technology that would somehow combat used games, though didn't provide specifics on exactly how that would work.
Today, in an investor call, GameStop executives said such a move is "unlikely".
"We think it's unlikely that there would be that next-gen console because the model simply hasn't been proven to work," Paul Raines, GameStop CEO, said. "Remember, used video games have a residual value. Remember GameStop generates $1.2 billion of trade credits around the world with our used game model. So, consider taking used games out of that, you'd have to find new ways to sell the games.
"And, our partners are good partners. The console companies have great relationships with us."
GameStop pointed out that the majority of the $1.2 billion of credit it generated went back into purchasing a video game. For many gamers, the shop said, this made buying games more affordable.
It also said its highest market position is with Microsoft and Xbox 360 software. The shop talks to the first party almost "every day".
"This is the kind of news that gets out in the industry and gets people worked up and hyper-ventilating and excited," Raines added.
"The pre-owned business is not a cannibalistic business. If you follow the popular conventional wisdom, you would think pre-owned is replacing new. The truth is, pre-owned is an opening price-point category. The average price is $18. A lot of it is old generation. What is is is a category for the customer who's maybe not ready to invest in a new game, but wants to get into the console business and console entertainment.
"What we've done is create a way for that new leading edge consumer to dispose of their old games, and that's what creates this great circle of life we talk about that so many try to imitate. That's how we see it."
You keep poking at a movie that is widely agreed to be one of the landmark pieces of sf cinema out there; it only exposes that you have either missed the point of it, or potentially have bad taste where SF is concerned. You don't have to like it, but it would be nice if you could keep yourself from shitting on something others appreciate.Rage poster next to Blade Runner one.
smh
Average sci fi goes together
GameStop pointed out that the majority of the $1.2 billion of credit it generated went back into purchasing a video game. For many gamers, the shop said, this made buying games more affordable.Yeah, but it doesn't specifically go toward purchasing a new game, so it still doesn't necessarily do anything for the publishers and developers.
It's a troll from the early days of bore
Samaritan's return was the only taste of the next-gen we'd be getting at this briefing, but Mark Rein made it obvious that this was the visual target for the new wave of consoles and there was a brief implication that the mystery NVIDIA Kepler card's performance would be matched by whatever the console platform holders are working on now. Rein himself would know: sources close to Epic have told us that the company is working on next-gen target hardware from Microsoft right now - one source has even gone so far as to say to us that Samaritan is already running on whatever kit is currently being used to simulate the new Xbox.
and in other news some Darksiders dude said that currently Weeeooo is on par with current genOf course it is, and it'll cost more than the other current gen consoles despite having less storage space! :hyper
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Used games are a constant irritant for many in this industry - they're at best tolerated and at worst despised with a passion. Frontier Development's David Braben recently lashed out against the used games business, saying that it's effectively killed off single-player titles, and now Silicon Knights boss Denis Dyack has weighed in with his thoughts as well.
Speaking to GamesIndustry International, Dyack remarked, "From a consumer side, [in the last few years] we started seeing used games really come into fruition, and I believe that has caused quite a problem. I would argue that used games actually increase the cost of games."
The biggest problem is that used games have essentially cut off the revenue tail for most titles, Dyack explained.
"There used to be something in games for 20 years called a tail, where say you have a game called Warcraft that would sell for 10 years. Because there are no used games, you could actually sell a game for a long time, and get recurring revenue for quite a while. Recurring revenue is very key," he said.
"Now there is no tail. Literally, you will get most of your sales within three months of launch, which has created this really unhealthy extreme where you have to sell it really fast and then you have to do anything else to get money," he continued, alluding to steps developers take like including multiplayer or launching DLC.
Dyack warned that if the pre-owned market continues unchecked it could threaten the industry as we know it.
"I would argue, and I've said this before, that used games are cannibalizing the industry. If developers and publishers don't see revenue from that, it's not a matter of hey 'we're trying to increase the price of games to consumers, and we want more,' we're just trying to survive as an industry. If used games continue the way that they are, it's going to cannibalize, there's not going to be an industry," he said. "People won't make those kinds of games. So I think that's inflated the price of games, and I think that prices would have come down if there was a longer tail, but there isn't."
Just like the next Xbox/Durango, we've heard from multiple sources that the Orbis will likewise have some kind of anti-used games measures built into the console. Here's how our main source says it's currently shaping up: new games for the system will be available one of two ways, either on a Blu-Ray disc or as a PSN download (yes, even full retail titles). If you buy the disc, it must be locked to a single PSN account, after which you can play the game, save the whole thing to your HDD, or peg it as "downloaded" in your account history and be free to download it at a later date.
Don't think you can simply buy the disc and stay offline, though; like many PC games these days, you'll need to have a PSN account and be online to even get the thing started.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-03-27-pre-owned-increases-cost-of-games-cannibalizes-industry-says-dyack (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-03-27-pre-owned-increases-cost-of-games-cannibalizes-industry-says-dyack)QuoteUsed games are a constant irritant for many in this industry - they're at best tolerated and at worst despised with a passion. Frontier Development's David Braben recently lashed out against the used games business, saying that it's effectively killed off single-player titles, and now Silicon Knights boss Denis Dyack has weighed in with his thoughts as well.
Speaking to GamesIndustry International, Dyack remarked, "From a consumer side, [in the last few years] we started seeing used games really come into fruition, and I believe that has caused quite a problem. I would argue that used games actually increase the cost of games."
The biggest problem is that used games have essentially cut off the revenue tail for most titles, Dyack explained.
"There used to be something in games for 20 years called a tail, where say you have a game called Warcraft that would sell for 10 years. Because there are no used games, you could actually sell a game for a long time, and get recurring revenue for quite a while. Recurring revenue is very key," he said.
"Now there is no tail. Literally, you will get most of your sales within three months of launch, which has created this really unhealthy extreme where you have to sell it really fast and then you have to do anything else to get money," he continued, alluding to steps developers take like including multiplayer or launching DLC.
Dyack warned that if the pre-owned market continues unchecked it could threaten the industry as we know it.
"I would argue, and I've said this before, that used games are cannibalizing the industry. If developers and publishers don't see revenue from that, it's not a matter of hey 'we're trying to increase the price of games to consumers, and we want more,' we're just trying to survive as an industry. If used games continue the way that they are, it's going to cannibalize, there's not going to be an industry," he said. "People won't make those kinds of games. So I think that's inflated the price of games, and I think that prices would have come down if there was a longer tail, but there isn't."
Not to mention I guarantee when you can lock out rentals and used games, Sony and other publishers will never drop prices because they wont have to.
:lol
reggie gon' bust out the champagne, looks like wiiU is saved
The Panasonic Jungle will rise from it's grave to save us all, dont you worry.:lol
reggie gon' bust out the champagne, looks like wiiU is saved
it's kinda funny how Nintendo refusing to adapt finally has a positive aspect. For better or worse, 3DS might be the last gaming hardware where you can just buy a game and play it right away. Even the Vita has stupid online passes and stuff.
So, apparently, a lot of game developers have recently received the new PS4 and XBox 3 specifications so they can be ready when the prototype devkits drop. And I got ahold of them.
I tried to leak them to Engadget, but they weren't going to print it without independent confirmation, and no one is going to confirm this shit because they like their jobs. But being a jobless student, I figured someone should get some laughter out of this. So, here's the rundown.
No firm date has been set for either, but currently they are stating that they are both setting to launch for the Holiday season in 2013. Codename of XB3 is "Durango". PS4 Codename is "Orbis".
Both consoles are going to have Blu-Ray, with support for Single-Layer and Dual-layer, and higher-fidelity versions of their current motion control systems.
The X-Box 3 is going to have an 8-core 64-bit processor (assumedly an i7 or similar design) rated at 1.2 Teraflops. The PS4 will feature a 4-core 32-bit processor. XB3 will be using a GPU running support for DirectX 11, while the PS4 will be using an OpenGL 4 GPU. XB3 is specified to use 4 GB RAM, and the PS4 will be shipped with 2GB.
Specifications state that the PS4 will have *NO* hard drive by default, while the XB3 will come with a 500GB Hard Drive with 8GB of Flash memory. The XB3 will also have a 24/7 connectivity system which has not been entirely elaborated on, with coming support for cloud-based connectivity in 2015/2016.
Why do I have this? Well, let's just say that some major developers like EA games are currently very pissed because the PS4 specs are shitty compared to the next XBox and besides limiting their abilities in making more impressive games for the new Playstation, it's also going to shit up cross-platform titles in the same way that the lack of Blu-ray and Standard Hard Drive did with the XBox this generation, and Sony's not listening to their pleas for less shitty hardware. Right now, programmers are pretty much looking at it and comparing the two consoles like one is a high-end gaming PC and the other's a piece of shit eMachines unit from Walmart's $200 special (including monitor).
EDIT: The prototype PS4's will start hitting developers around Q3 2012.
WiiU stronger than PS4? Please make it so :lol
Not saying its even true about the specs but it would amuse me to hear all the sony fanboys spin no backwards compatibility and not having the leading tech because that's all they talked about this gen.
For what its worth I think the tech is less of an issue. I think both systems will be fine on that front. But I would/will be highly annoyed if all my digital purchases don't transfer over to the new xbox.
It won't be much. Locking out rentals and used sales all but guarantees fewer new game sales.
WiiU stronger than PS4? Please make it so :lol
As long as Microsoft goes balls deep with their console, I'd be ok with this. The fallout would be beautiful.
And all of this definitely isn't implausible. We're seeing the repercussions of being burned by 599 US DOLLARS. No more exotics, maybe not even bleeding edge.
Not saying its even true about the specs but it would amuse me to hear all the sony fanboys spin no backwards compatibility and not having the leading tech because that's all they talked about this gen.
For what its worth I think the tech is less of an issue. I think both systems will be fine on that front. But I would/will be highly annoyed if all my digital purchases don't transfer over to the new xbox.
problem is that no one has a good track record with backwards compatibility these days . if I had to guess, I'd say Microsoft would make it more important since all those old games have achievements and stuff.
wii u will have wii bc, but considering nintendo expects users to rebuy NES games on the 3DS, who knows if it'll pull the same move with the wii u virtual console. wouldn't be surprised if they play it like sony and have downloadable gamecube games, but slot loading those games won't work.
:lol
reggie gon' bust out the champagne, looks like wiiU is saved
WiiU stronger than PS4? Please make it so :lol
ps that article has wayy too much pro xbox shit in it. its false.
BY: A GUEST ON DEC 15TH, 2011
No firm date has been set for either, but currently they are stating that they are both setting to launch for the Holiday season in 2013. Codename of XB3 is "Durango". PS4 Codename is "Orbis".
Quoteps that article has wayy too much pro xbox shit in it. its false.
must be some well informed xbot
wouldn't be surprised if they play it like sony and have downloadable gamecube games, but slot loading those games won't work.
wouldn't be surprised if they play it like sony and have downloadable gamecube games, but slot loading those games won't work.
Um of course they won't work, the new Wiis can't play them and there's no GC ports on the Wii U.
Not to mention I guarantee when you can lock out rentals and used games, Sony and other publishers will never drop prices because they wont have to.
PlayStation 4 (now reportedly called Orbis) is in the news once again, and the latest report reinforces a recent rumor about the possibility of new consoles blocking consumers from playing used titles (or imposing a fee to unlock them). This would be the equivalent of dropping a nuclear bomb on GameStop, and the retailer wouldn't sit idly by, Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter commented to GamesIndustry International.
"It isn't really in Sony's or Microsoft's best interests to block used games. It would benefit Activision and EA slightly, and would hurt GameStop a great deal. If Sony unilaterally did this, I could see GameStop refusing to carry their console, and sales of the PS4 would therefore suffer," he said.
Pachter stressed that "if one does it and the others don't, the one who does it will see a loss of market share." He added that none of the big three console manufacturers "are stupid enough to do this unilaterally" and none of them "are evil enough to do it together."
David Cole of DFC Intelligence agrees that Sony or Microsoft would be foolish to block pre-owned, as a console with anti-used technology would turn off a large chunk of the hardcore gaming market.
"A system that tried to stop used game sales would probably turn off the core consumers that rush to trade in their old product to buy new product. In other words, I don't think it would do so well in the core market," he said.
Lewis Ward, IDC's research manager, acknowledges that publishers and many in the industry would love to "wave a magic wand and cut the used disc market off at the knees," but he also doesn't see it as a likely scenario.
"Customers would rebel. Until there's the equivalent of a great 'used' digital console game trade-in program up and running, gamers will continue to like the ability to trade in discs and basically get discounts on other games," he commented. "I can certainly see Sony stepping up the idea of $10 online passes for connected multiplayer and so on, but especially for families of limited means or that have a narrowband connection at home, the ability to buy/trade use discs is an important reason why they buy game consoles in the first place."
Ward also noted that certain hacks would likely overcome the anti-used technology even if Sony did decide to go forward. "I suspect that even if disc DRM/security is stepped up a lot that countermeasures will soon surface that will allow physical and digital games to be played on the platform, limiting the effectiveness of the effort," he said.
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The X-Box 3 is going to have an 8-core 64-bit processor (assumedly an i7 or similar design) rated at 1.2 Teraflops. The PS4 will feature a 4-core 32-bit processor. XB3 will be using a GPU running support for DirectX 11, while the PS4 will be using an OpenGL 4 GPU. XB3 is specified to use 4 GB RAM, and the PS4 will be shipped with 2GB.
QuoteThe X-Box 3 is going to have an 8-core 64-bit processor (assumedly an i7 or similar design) rated at 1.2 Teraflops. The PS4 will feature a 4-core 32-bit processor. XB3 will be using a GPU running support for DirectX 11, while the PS4 will be using an OpenGL 4 GPU. XB3 is specified to use 4 GB RAM, and the PS4 will be shipped with 2GB.
:drool
Another generation of sub par/sub HD ports for Sony confirmed.
You'll be lucky to get 1. Stop drinking the Acebandage coolaid.QuoteThe X-Box 3 is going to have an 8-core 64-bit processor (assumedly an i7 or similar design) rated at 1.2 Teraflops. The PS4 will feature a 4-core 32-bit processor. XB3 will be using a GPU running support for DirectX 11, while the PS4 will be using an OpenGL 4 GPU. XB3 is specified to use 4 GB RAM, and the PS4 will be shipped with 2GB.
:drool
Another generation of sub par/sub HD ports for Sony confirmed.
That actually makes me happy, Wii U should have around 2 GB of RAM. Maybe 3 but that might be getting too hopeful.
Of course, games probably won't look like they have that much to play with due to the controller. But still.
Wrong. Publishers and devs will make money on every game sale. Regardless the price.
Trade ins make gamestop rich.
I don´t get why everybody here seems to be a lobbyist for Gamestop and no one cares about devs.
Walking into a Gamestop and seeing a huge pile of (good) used games from devs that were recently shut down kills me.
Or devs that used to make awesome big budget games now making iOS games.
The iOS ecosystem is healthy.
Everybody seems to love steam ( as do I ), where is the difference?
No used games on steam, no used games on ios. And no one gives a shit.
I don't care about gamestop, but I do care about my rights as a consumer. And I will not hand those rights over to Sony/MS because of crybaby devs unwilling to adapt to the market.
4.) It's my fucking right to buy a tangible product and sell that tangible product. I'm not keen on losing rights for physical products.
Its gonna happen.
Why do you think companies care what little kids think and their moms? Nintendo maybe yes. The rest? Nope.
Also the WiiU thread on gaf is a fucking goldmine full of idiots.
Why do you think companies care what little kids think and their moms?
Has Gaben talked any more about plans for trading games on Steam or whatever? They seem aware that it is something lots of people would use.
From a standpoint of economics, all those game keys that just sit in someone's steam account represent dead money. Getting it moving will generate value for the whole Steam economy. Part of the reason why I wait for Steam sales is that I know the games have zero resell value, but who knows, I might be prepared to get in earlier & at a higher price if I know I can just trade it later to my homies on the Bore for something decent.
Whether or not I ever actually do trade a Steam game is largely irrelevant; I mean, I never play the ones I own anyway. It's just the perceived theoretical value that keeps me coming back.
Its gonna happen.
Why do you think companies care what little kids think and their moms? Nintendo maybe yes. The rest? Nope.
Also the WiiU thread on gaf is a fucking goldmine full of idiots.
this just demonstrates your utter ignorance of, at the very least, the north american market.
this is going to put the finishing blow on the japanese home console market too. the entire games industry runs on flipping games here.
Has Gaben talked any more about plans for trading games on Steam or whatever? They seem aware that it is something lots of people would use.
From a standpoint of economics, all those game keys that just sit in someone's steam account represent dead money. Getting it moving will generate value for the whole Steam economy. Part of the reason why I wait for Steam sales is that I know the games have zero resell value, but who knows, I might be prepared to get in earlier & at a higher price if I know I can just trade it later to my homies on the Bore for something decent.
Whether or not I ever actually do trade a Steam game is largely irrelevant; I mean, I never play the ones I own anyway. It's just the perceived theoretical value that keeps me coming back.
:lol brutal truth :(
there is ALWAYS a need to get aggressive, you sopping little mary
god i hate what pussies you all are, let's have a fist fight with a goddam wall and then go roll in some glass already
uh sir i believe your penis is classified as a 'maul' and thus does 2d6 damage
Gaming industry is a business, not charity. And with rising development costs and a growing presence of the used game market eating up an increasingly smaller share of profits (or lack thereof) the gaming BUSINESS will do everything in its power to adapt, even if it means cutting off the middle man at its source.
And that's exactly what we're hearing about with these rumors. And I'm fine with that.
If you want to boycott an entire system just because developers are taking a stand against a parasitic presence in the industry, by all means be as petty as you want to.
Me? I'll just continue to enjoy games, and hope that with these added measures that a more financially stable industry will provide for better gaming experiences to the end user.
Specifically with gaming, don't bitch and moan about dlc and online passes when there are people in the world that would kill to live in a situation where an online pass is your largest problem in life.
Whiny bitches.
Specifically with gaming, don't bitch and moan about dlc and online passes when there are people in the world that would kill to live in a situation where an online pass is your largest problem in life.
Whiny bitches.
Has anyone there posted that they are too much of a fucking baller to worry about the petty costs of online passes or DLC?
I have no fixation or tie for new games at $60. I do buy my share but its mainly the big ones or the ones I know I'm absolutely going to like and offer extended length. The Battlefields, The Cods, the mass effects 3.
The reality is I'm not going to spend $60 on a new game that's like 8 hours or something and has no multiplayer. That's not to say I can't enjoy that experience or game a great deal but I'm not going to spend $60 on it. Skyrim, GTA, multiplayer games that I spends hundreds of hours, even something like Batman, or Darksiders which offer maybe a dozen hours but high polish or replayability.
This what is really going on. There is still a large market of gamers who have no problem paying $60 for games. What has utterly changed is what the masses consider a value proposition for those sixty bucks. And the reality is a small number of games hit that barrier. The console market is still struggling to come to grips with this. The only real effective solution they've created is xbox live arcade/psn but there are a ton of games in the middle that are being squeezed out. That's another area where the missing income is. I think I'm a fairly typical mainstream gamer in the sense that I tend to play the big stuff or good value for money XBLA games.
I say this is good news. Gamestop bought all the competition. It is now the only place you can buy games in store. Sure, you can go to wal mart or something, but to buy the games *I* like I have to go to gamestop, which is why I get my games from amazon now instead.
Someone smart should invest and make a new kind of game shop for modern times.
I say this is good news. Gamestop bought all the competition. It is now the only place you can buy games in store.
I find the $1 per hour rule to be unfair. I use a quality rule. Most games I buy for full price, I am jizzing from my eyepores. Why? Because I know what I like, and I risk very little.
For example, I bought Portal 2 for full price, and I think it was worth it. Sure, I haven't exactly spent the 60 hours or so in terms of monetary value (1 buck per hour), but it was such a high quality game that I find paying a premium was justified in a way.
I say this is good news. Gamestop bought all the competition. It is now the only place you can buy games in store.
I can buy and sell at bestbuy or nearly any mom and pop store that deals in videogames. And if there was more compeitition I could sell at those places too. And why does this even matter? I can sell my stuff over the internet or ebay anyway. It's not like because of Gamestop I have no avenue anywhere to sell games I purchased.
I hate this idea of because I dislike Gamestop for whatever various reasons, me as the consumer should get fucked over too.
VG247 has learned that Microsoft has now detailed Xbox 720 to certain partners and has internally confirmed the machine for a Christmas 2013 release.
The next generation Xbox will have a Blu-ray drive, contrary to a recent report.
Multiple sources have confirmed this morning that the machine will have two GPUs. One said: “It’s like two PCs taped together.”
We’re waiting for final confirmation of specs, but the graphics cards are thought to be equivalent to AMD’s 7000 series GPUs, but “not CrossFire or SLI”. The GPUs aren’t structured as they are in a normal dual PC set-up, in which the two chips take it in turns to draw lines of the same object: Xbox 720′s graphics units will be able to work independently, drawing separate items simultaneously.
There will be “four or six” cores to the Xbox 720 CPU, one of which will be reserved for Kinect and one for the OS.
Xbox 720 will require an always-on internet connection as an anti-piracy measure.
We’ve also been told that the next generation of Kinect will be built into the device as standard.
VG247 has been told that Sony is aiming to release PlayStation 4 before Xbox 720 next Christmas, and that certain developers have been invited to reveal meetings in the US in May and June.
Following continued reports last week that PlayStation 4 is to be based on AMD hardware and is being planned for a 2013 release, a VG247 source has said Sony is aiming to get the machine to market ahead of Microsoft’s next generation Xbox.
The design goalposts for PS4, including specs, were in place at least two years ago, we were told. Our source said that Sony is “confident” it will have the console at market ahead of the next generation Xbox next Christmas.
VG247 reported this morning that developers and publishers have been told that Xbox 720 will be released for Holiday 2013.
“Sony are completely in the belief that they have the jump on Microsoft this time,” they said. “You should be watching the timing of next year’s E3 keynotes, and who’s going to go first.”
A second source said this morning that all next-generation systems will be in place “by 2014″.
Sony has apparently already put its favoured partners in the frame as to PlayStation 4.
“Top line publishers already know about it,” our source said. “Developers working with publishers – like Ubisoft, for example – already know what’s going on. They’re already working on it.”
While “most developers” will be fully briefed “by the end of this year,” some have been invited to events in May and June in the US.
Another source has told us more information is going to be issued about PS4 to developers under NDA in May.
MCV reported earlier this year that both PS4 and Xbox 720 “will be shown at E3 2012,” but both Microsoft and Sony have both said nothing consumer-facing about the next generation will happen at the LA event this year.
Direct to drive
In addition, a rumour is circulating that PlayStation 4 will use DirectX as opposed to a proprietary Sony API. It was reported last week that PlayStation 4 will not be based on PS3′s Cell processor in any way, and will instead use standard AMD hardware.
We were told today that Crytek was scaling its tech on the assumption that PS4 was going to be using a 24-core Cell processor as opposed to the eight-core unit in PS3. The studio was forced to halt development and start afresh when it was informed PlayStation 4 won’t be using Cell at all.
Indications are that PlayStation 4 will provide a development environment similar to that of the Xbox consoles and PC.
In addition VG247 has been told that elements of Vita’s launch hardware were changed to ensure that PS4 and Vita will be able to connect in a similar style to Nintendo’s Wii U and its controller – due for release this year – with Vita’s being used to control PS4 games with both twin sticks and touch.
a VG247 source has said Sony is aiming to get the machine to market ahead of Microsoft’s next generation Xbox.
Being first isn't much on its own, but being first with a competent competitor is generally a winning move.
We were told today that Crytek was scaling its tech on the assumption that PS4 was going to be using a 24-core Cell processor as opposed to the eight-core unit in PS3. The studio was forced to halt development and start afresh when it was informed PlayStation 4 won’t be using Cell at all.uh oh
This is the part that doesn't make a lot of sense. Most people are saying xbox 720 in the fall of next year. "Beating" out the 360 to market is getting one out this fall. Beating it by a few months in 2013 isn't a big deal.
In addition VG247 has been told that elements of Vita’s launch hardware were changed to ensure that PS4 and Vita will be able to connect in a similar style to Nintendo’s Wii U and its controller – due for release this year – with Vita’s being used to control PS4 games with both twin sticks and touch.
In addition VG247 has been told that elements of Vita’s launch hardware were changed to ensure that PS4 and Vita will be able to connect in a similar style to Nintendo’s Wii U and its controller – due for release this year – with Vita’s being used to control PS4 games with both twin sticks and touch.
The next generation Xbox will have a Blu-ray drive, contrary to a recent report.
Yes, don't want to upset Crytek.
They must be a bunch of distinguished mentally-challenged fellows if they thought Sony was not only going to stick with Cell, but also shoot that high.
QuoteThe next generation Xbox will have a Blu-ray drive, contrary to a recent report.
??? There was a recent report that said that? How gullible would you have to be?
QuoteThe next generation Xbox will have a Blu-ray drive, contrary to a recent report.
??? There was a recent report that said that? How gullible would you have to be?
Learn to read.
With Google's Android operating system already bundling rudimentary support for external gaming devices, Apple is reportedly working on its own physical controller to similarly enhance gameplay on its iPad and other mobile devices.
In his review of Apple's new iPad and its gaming graphics prowess, AnandTech's Anand Lal Shimpi reports that he has been made aware of "an internal Apple project to bring a physical controller to market," but said his sources were unable to determine whether the company has made a definitive decision to follow through on its efforts.
Regardless, Lal Shimpi believes such devices may soon be a necessary accompaniment for hardcore mobile gamers, especially as smartphones and tablets come close to equalling the performance of existing game consoles.
He adds that the iPad maker may also be feeling some pressure to this end from rival Google, which has baked in basic wired and wireless controller support into its Android operating system since the release of Honeycomb 3.0 roughly one year ago.
Along with their Android counterparts, iOS devices have emerged as a new frontier for game developers, with one research firm indicating that the two platforms saw their combined share of U.S.-based game software revenue rise more than threefold from just 19% in 2009 to an estimated 58% by the end of last year.
Their success has come at the expense of incumbents Nintendo and Sony, who saw their respective share of software sales slip from 70% to 36% and 11% to 6%, respectively, over the same period.
The situation faced by Nintendo and Sony shows signs of worsening this year, with Sony recently reporting a staggering loss of $1.2 billion for the December quarter shortly after Nintendo reported the first ever operating loss ($575 million) in its corporate history.
Meanwhile, Apple has quietly been assembling an arsenal of seasoned gaming executives to help leverage its momentum in the gaming space as it takes a head-on approach to combating encroachment from Google and others.
Most recently, the company was reported to have lured Robin Burrowes away from heading up Microsoft's overseas XBox Live team. His hiring followed the recruit of Nintendo's public relation's chief Robert Saunders last year, as well as Nick Grange -- who also at one point ran public relations for Xbox, as well as for gaming heavyweights Activision and Electronics Arts.
In other news,
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/04/02/apple_working_on_physical_game_controller_for_ipads_and_other_ios_devices_.html (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/04/02/apple_working_on_physical_game_controller_for_ipads_and_other_ios_devices_.html)
In other news,
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/04/02/apple_working_on_physical_game_controller_for_ipads_and_other_ios_devices_.html (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/04/02/apple_working_on_physical_game_controller_for_ipads_and_other_ios_devices_.html)
On a scale of Gamechanger to Gamechanger, how gamechanging is this? #gamechanger
It's in the thread title,posted weeks ago.
You must be working for Nintendo,get along with the times,digital is the future :)
it would be a big #nongamechanger that could grow up in to a BIG BIG #GAMECHANGER
Bethesda releasing fully playable IOS Skyrim,playable on big TV,cheap...
Apple takes 30%,no QA,no nothing
...
I'd be down for a lot more iOS gaming if there was a controller. Touchscreen controls fucking suck.
Developers with access to the Durango (the code name for Microsoft's next console) are seeing costs rise sharply, primarily due to higher polygon counts and better textures required. "I'm having to double my budget for models," said one developer working on a sequel to an earlier title that appeared on Xbox 360 and PS3. "If we want to take advantage of Durango's capabilities it takes a lot more time for each model." This can also result in either a longer time to develop a title, or the need to put more artists on, or both.
Similar budget issues are expected for the PlayStation 4 (codename 'Orbis') and the Wii U. The Wii U's development costs will be higher than Wii titles due to increased resolution, but utilizing the tablet controller will also mean additional time in design. Some uses for the tablet controller seem obvious, like diagramming plays in a Madden game using your finger. Using the tablet controller in other games may be more challenging, depending on how much the developers want to create something unique for the Wii U (spending extra on that development that is not needed for other platforms).
At a time when many console titles have been finding it more difficult to make a profit, the prospect of doubling already considerable budgets is not making publishers happy. They are already looking to find ways to increase the revenue potential of their development efforts.
i suspect that wii u tablet is basically just gonna be used as a menu/inventory screen for 80% of games
they should call it the ps flatline
/bizarro methodis
We will be seeing a lot more reused assets next gen.Speedier Tree-er?
i suspect that wii u tablet is basically just gonna be used as a menu/inventory screen for 80% of games
hey now
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it'll also be used to display the game's logo.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-04-03-next-gen-consoles-mean-increased-development-costs (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-04-03-next-gen-consoles-mean-increased-development-costs)QuoteDevelopers with access to the Durango (the code name for Microsoft's next console) are seeing costs rise sharply, primarily due to higher polygon counts and better textures required. "I'm having to double my budget for models," said one developer working on a sequel to an earlier title that appeared on Xbox 360 and PS3. "If we want to take advantage of Durango's capabilities it takes a lot more time for each model." This can also result in either a longer time to develop a title, or the need to put more artists on, or both.
Similar budget issues are expected for the PlayStation 4 (codename 'Orbis') and the Wii U. The Wii U's development costs will be higher than Wii titles due to increased resolution, but utilizing the tablet controller will also mean additional time in design. Some uses for the tablet controller seem obvious, like diagramming plays in a Madden game using your finger. Using the tablet controller in other games may be more challenging, depending on how much the developers want to create something unique for the Wii U (spending extra on that development that is not needed for other platforms).
At a time when many console titles have been finding it more difficult to make a profit, the prospect of doubling already considerable budgets is not making publishers happy. They are already looking to find ways to increase the revenue potential of their development efforts.
Weeoooo to the rescue...oh wait
:lol
"what game am i playing, what game am i playing, oh god what game am i playing?"
*looks down*
"whew"
i suspect that wii u tablet is basically just gonna be used as a menu/inventory screen for 80% of games
I'd take that. Would also mean the devs only have to worry about the TV for graphics, making them more better.
Also yeah it's been painfully obvious the current development path is not sustainable. Ugly times ahead.
:lol
"what game am i playing, what game am i playing, oh god what game am i playing?"
*looks down*
"whew"
hey, this is a fair issue for nintendo gamers.
<looks down>
"ah, mario party ... 11???? what the fuck? i thought this was mario party 13? god DAMMIT! well, at least nintendo reminded me. must post on gaf about this."
Man, it sure is an awesome time to be a pc gamer.
i suspect that wii u tablet is basically just gonna be used as a menu/inventory screen for 80% of games
I'd take that. Would also mean the devs only have to worry about the TV for graphics, making them more better.
Also yeah it's been painfully obvious the current development path is not sustainable. Ugly times ahead.
what the fuck, you ARE aware that that a) the gpu still has to render/fill the pixels for the second screen; and b) the hardware has to sync to it, which introduces new perf considerations
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betterer
Man, it sure is an awesome time to be a portable gamer.
PSO2 is PC only. At least initally. Biggest thing I'm interested in for this year by far. Borderlands 2 should be cool shit as well but that's not until September at the earliest.Man, it sure is an awesome time to be a pc gamer.
won't a lot of the same problems that console games have also affect pc games as well considering most pc games these days are ports of console games? I'm asking because in preparation for next gen, I need to hear/read any/all arguments in favor of pc gaming.
It'd be great if pc had access to all the types of games I love, but it doesn't. Out of all the games I have interest in this year so far (FF13-2, ME3, SSX, WO3) only one has a pc release.
If you're not "interested" in Diablo 3 then there's no hope for you and I don't take anything you say seriously. I mean, that was already the case because of the Shenmue bullshit, but this is like the cherry of dumbness on top of the cake of bad taste or something.
Man, it sure is an awesome time to be a pc gamer.
won't a lot of the same problems that console games have also affect pc games as well considering most pc games these days are ports of console games? I'm asking because in preparation for next gen, I need to hear/read any/all arguments in favor of pc gaming.
It'd be great if pc had access to all the types of games I love, but it doesn't. Out of all the games I have interest in this year so far (FF13-2, ME3, SSX, WO3) only one has a pc release. Later this year? Virtua Fighter 5: FS is only on psn/xbla. Jet Set Radio hd is on steam, thankfully, and of course DIABLO 3 which is pc exclusive. If devs ported more games to pc, I'd be all aboard the pc hype train.
PSO2 is coming to vita but yes it'll be pc exclusive initially.Yep yep, but I wanna play that shit ASAP and need a new computer anyway soo...
If you're not "interested" in Diablo 3 then there's no hope for you and I don't take anything you say seriously.Ah yes, that's what next month? Forgot about that one. :o
Fun part will come when some game turns out to be sub-hd.
but but it renders two screens
The eyes are the first thing to go with old age. :-\
i dunno, dcharlie has taken a shining to sp.ed consoles of late, he might end up riding the weeoo's jock
Sources said graphical quality "won't be a problem" on Nintendo's new console, but a drop in CPU horsepower compared to 360 and PS3 could see Wii U lag behind in areas such as complicated physics and AI.
"Assumptions that Wii U games will look like 'up rezzed' current-gen titles with better textures aren't quite right. They'll look just as good, but not better," one developer told CVG. "You shouldn't expect anything special from a graphics point of view," they added.
A second source working on a big name franchise said GPU and RAM power "won't be a problem" on the new console but, again, claimed Wii U struggles to match PS3 and 360 in processing power.
"We're still working on dev machines but there have definitely been some issues [in porting PS3/360 games]," our source said. "It's not actually a problem getting things up and running because the architecture is pretty conventional, but there are constraints with stuff like physics and AI processing because the hardware isn't quite as capable."
The same source concluded, bluntly: "I suppose you don't need sophisticated physics to make a Mario game."
the gpu in the WEEEEEOOOOO is more powerful than the xenos or the rsx. on paper, it appears significantly moreso. reality, though, given the complexity of next generation graphics features -- IT MIGHT AS WELL BE THE EXACT SAME 2006/2007 GENERATION. it could be 5X the on-paper performance and still eke out no more than a couple extra fps given the same assets and rendering pipeline in real world results -- and can even look worse in early dev situations. until gaftards understand the complexity of current rendering and effects models and why the require GEOMETRICALLY more horsepower (i.e. vastly greater shader resources) to see significant visual improvements at higher pixel counts and frame rates, they're yakking about shit that is wholly, entirely academic and therefore 100% useless in the real world of game and graphics development.
The same source concluded, bluntly: "I suppose you don't need sophisticated physics to make a Mario game."
The PlayStation 4, reportedly codenamed Orbis, may utilize AMD's A8-3850 APU and Radeon HD 7670 GPU, sources have told IGN, offering the combined performance of both integrated and discrete graphics processors.
According to the official product specs, the A8-3850 packs a quad-core 2.9GHz processor with an integrated graphics chip. The APU will work in tandem with the system's dedicated GPU, the HD 7670, a DirectX 11-enabled card clocked to 1GHz with up to 1GB of dedicated VRAM.
Radeon 7670 is like a "my grandma going to Best Buy to get one of them there computers, geek squad said this one was real fast" GPU.I did this with my first graphics card upgrade. I got an NVIDIA GeForce FX2. But that badboy lasted a long time. I played Half life 2 on that bitch.
http://ie.ign.com/articles/2012/04/04/sources-detail-the-playstation-4s-processing-specs (http://ie.ign.com/articles/2012/04/04/sources-detail-the-playstation-4s-processing-specs)QuoteThe PlayStation 4, reportedly codenamed Orbis, may utilize AMD's A8-3850 APU and Radeon HD 7670 GPU, sources have told IGN, offering the combined performance of both integrated and discrete graphics processors.
According to the official product specs, the A8-3850 packs a quad-core 2.9GHz processor with an integrated graphics chip. The APU will work in tandem with the system's dedicated GPU, the HD 7670, a DirectX 11-enabled card clocked to 1GHz with up to 1GB of dedicated VRAM.
paging prole
A8-3850 APU = four x86 CPU cores with an AMD Radeon HD 6550D
If this is true then Sony has chosen budget route this time and they will very likely launch before next xbox.
Budget GPUs everywhere :gloomy
Man this has been a distinguished mentally-challenged week for ninthings giving and receiving.
“We do not focus on technology specs. We understand that people like to dissect graphics and processing power, but the experience of playing will always be more important than raw numbers.”
it could be 50x as powerful and i still wouldn't buy one
http://ie.ign.com/articles/2012/04/04/sources-detail-the-playstation-4s-processing-specs (http://ie.ign.com/articles/2012/04/04/sources-detail-the-playstation-4s-processing-specs)QuoteThe PlayStation 4, reportedly codenamed Orbis, may utilize AMD's A8-3850 APU and Radeon HD 7670 GPU, sources have told IGN, offering the combined performance of both integrated and discrete graphics processors.
According to the official product specs, the A8-3850 packs a quad-core 2.9GHz processor with an integrated graphics chip. The APU will work in tandem with the system's dedicated GPU, the HD 7670, a DirectX 11-enabled card clocked to 1GHz with up to 1GB of dedicated VRAM.
paging prole
A8-3850 APU = four x86 CPU cores with an AMD Radeon HD 6550D
If this is true then Sony has chosen budget route this time and they will very likely launch before next xbox.
Budget GPUs everywhere :gloomy
An analyst in Japan with Macquarie Capital Securities does not see a bright future.
Wii U will launch later this year (one rumored date points to November 18) and Nintendo is hoping to make a big splash with the system this year at E3 in June. Many questions about the console's capabilities still linger, however, and one analyst in Japan is not too optimistic about Wii U's long-term prospects.
David Gibson at Macquarie Capital Securities (Japan) Limited has downgraded Nintendo stock to "underperform" and remarked that there are "increasingly problematic structural problems for the company."
Gibson assigned a target price of ¥10,000 and noted that "if Nintendo went iOS/Android with games we think the stock could be worth ¥20,000+, but in our view that's not going to happen."
Ultimately, Gibson said the "competitive position of the WiiU has deteriorated" and he advises avoiding Nintendo stock until E3.
Gibson outlined three potentially big problems for Nintendo:
1.Wii U GPU is less powerful than Xbox360/PS3 according to developers, which means it has no edge besides the tablet interface to attract core users. Initial third-party titles are likely to be only ports from Xbox360/PS3 titles. A bundled WiiSports/Mario title may help initial sales beat Wii launch, but Wii was severely production-constrained and the surprise factor from Wii U is less.
2.iPad with its retina display shows where Apple is taking its 4 screen infrastructure, leaving Wii U less connected and less relevant. The GPU processing power for handsets is reaching consoles such that we think core gamers have no interest in buying into the Wii U. Apple might add in a controller to its line-up to be more attractive to core users. MocoSpace survey shows that 96% of gamers like to play their games at home, and with a better infrastructure we think iOS will be able to deliver a single game experience across four screens that Nintendo cannot.
3.Wii U will have 1-year window to gain installed base before PS4 (Orbis) and then Xbox Durango launch in late 2013. At that point, the core gamer that Nintendo is after for the first time will have no interest in Wii U. We understand that Activision has no plans to support Wii U, which means the biggest selling title of Call of Duty will be missing; Konami is also planning minimal support.
On that last point, we reached out to Activision, and the official answer is that the publisher hasn't made any announcements about Wii U support. Activision Publishing CEO Eric Hirshberg has said multiple times that Wii U would more closely align with the types of games Activision makes, but we'll see how that translates into support from the company.
there are already Wiis being sold in parts of the world without gamecube support, mostly because they wanted to strip off the controller ports and memory card slots
there are already Wiis being sold in parts of the world without gamecube support, mostly because they wanted to strip off the controller ports and memory card slots
But how the heck does that exactly work, just from a technical perspective? I thought the whole reason the Wii was backwards compatible with GC games was...cause it was an overclocked Gamecube? I mean, the chipsets are for all intents and purposes, are identical, aren't they?
A friend of mine said that Nintendo's planning on removing gamecube compatibility from future Wiis. What the fuck? Is this true?http://ie.ign.com/articles/2012/04/04/sources-detail-the-playstation-4s-processing-specs (http://ie.ign.com/articles/2012/04/04/sources-detail-the-playstation-4s-processing-specs)QuoteThe PlayStation 4, reportedly codenamed Orbis, may utilize AMD's A8-3850 APU and Radeon HD 7670 GPU, sources have told IGN, offering the combined performance of both integrated and discrete graphics processors.
According to the official product specs, the A8-3850 packs a quad-core 2.9GHz processor with an integrated graphics chip. The APU will work in tandem with the system's dedicated GPU, the HD 7670, a DirectX 11-enabled card clocked to 1GHz with up to 1GB of dedicated VRAM.
paging prole
A8-3850 APU = four x86 CPU cores with an AMD Radeon HD 6550D
If this is true then Sony has chosen budget route this time and they will very likely launch before next xbox.
Budget GPUs everywhere :gloomy
First time I'm hearing of this APU contraption. Is it a new thing?
To start as I'm sure you're aware the codename is "Durango". MS really want to have a beast of a machine for next gen.
The CPU:
As a previous Pastebin rumor mentioned:
"The X-Box 3 is going to have an 8-core 64-bit processor (assumedly an i7 or similar design)".
Well let me tell you that that is a load of crap. Intel would NEVER be involved in this process. Although think around 6 cores and you're in the right area. The 64 bit thing was kind of pointless to mention, since its guaranteed the chip would be 64 bit. I have no idea about the clock speed, yet as most people could tell you, these days its not that big of a factor. Like I said Intel aren't producing this, which really only leaves two candidates. I'll give you a hint... its not AMD.
The GPU:
You may have heard of the two GPU rumor already. Think its a load of crap? Think again. That's the road that MS is going down. But I should say, its not your conventional dual GPU set up that you may find in some PC's. MS and AMD have been working on something for quite a while, and if everything works out, expect this thing to blow you away when you first see it. Similar to Xenos from the beginning of this gen, its a pretty innovative chip.
The info on the CPU And GPU should tell you whether or not the Durango will have BC or not.
RAM:
Short and sweet:
MS were going for 2GB.
Devs complained.
MS listened.
MS bumped up RAM to 4GB.
Most devs were very happy, however 1 or 2 tried complaining again.
MS told them to piss off.
Controller options:
I think most people will be very happy to learn that the Xbox 360 controller will still be the standard controller for the Durango. I don't know if they will make any changes to it, like fixing the D-Pad, but hopefully they will.
And yes Kinect will be packaged in. NOT BUILT IN. That's an important distinction to make. It will not be a full on Kinect 2.0 upgrade. Instead it will essentially be the Kinect for Windows version (so it will have near mode), and since Durango will be significantly more powerful than the Xbox 360, you can expect this Kinect to be an improvement.
Media capabilities:
Yes, Durango will use Blu-ray. And that's really all I know, but since MS want this machine to be the "center-piece" of the living room, you can safely bet it will have all the bells and whistles that you have come to expect from a modern day piece of consumer technology.
I don't actually know this but expect this thing to be running Windows 8 in some shape or form. Since "the father of Windows NT" Dave Cutler. i.e. the guy who created the backbone that all modern Windows OS' are based on recently joined the Xbox team.
If that is true then I would hazard another guess that Durango will share the Microsoft app store with Windows 8 and Windows phone 8. So you can share your apps across three different devices. So start looking forward to playing Angry Birds on your Xbox!
Other bits of information:
A rumor that has been popping up everywhere recently has been the whole "Next Xbox won't play used games". As far as I'm concerned this isn't true, but like I said this info is from January, a lot can change. I really doubt it though, depending on what Sony or Nintendo do, it could do a lot of harm to Durango.
Another rumor is the "Next Xbox requires a constant internet connection to play" Well as far as I'm aware this simply isn't true. Of course things could change, like I said this info is from January. But it doesn't make sense to alienate so many potential customers.
This could simply be a complete misunderstanding of another feature MS would like to have in Durango. That feature is the "always on, always connected, Xbox".
As the name suggests MS want this thing to be on all the time, they really do want to make it the number one used piece of technology in the house. So you never really turn it off (unless you want to). Instead, when you turn it "off" it simply slips into a low powered mode. In this mode, it can still download demos etc... but MS also want to do silent updates. So for example MS have announced there will be a major update delivered to all Xbox's overnight. You simply leave the Xbox in low power mode and by the time you wake up in the morning, everything is all done. That's my take from what I've been told anyway.
So how does this compare to the PS4 (Orbis)? I have no idea, since I have no info about the Orbis, and never will do.
But judging from what I've read and been told, MS are really going for it this gen. They know that if they really push it Sony can't compete (financially)
What about release date and cost? Well release date, all I've been told is 2013.
And cost, I have no idea. But why would ? I doubt if even MS know yet, since it's a year + away from release. But I think MS have learnt from Sony's mistake, and I doubt they will have their own $599 moment. They have the financial muscle to price Durango very competitively.
So that's all folks, I have a job to do.
By the way, although I don't post there (just lurk) this is a message to a certain gaming forum. I'm sure there will be a lot of "discussion" over there.
Believe!
2014 Ninthings: to clarify we meant WHIMSY from NINTENDO
2022 Ninthings: WHOO can't wait to play Wii-U2 will have awesome graphics
various studios are aiming to unveil their next generation software at E3 2012 in June, regardless of whether “Microsoft and Sony are ready or not.”:rofl
wasn't the original dark sector footage shown before the consoles? vaguely remember the big deal surrounding it being "it's the first glimpse at next gen graphics"
The unit will use the AMD A8-3850 APU and Radeon 7670 GPU. The AP-3850 APU is said to clock in at 2.9GHz and it will be a quad core chip, while the HD 7670 which will offer 1GB of RAM and while we have heard rumors of a projected clock speed, we would wait till we are closer to release before we predict what this will actually be.
As we told you previously, this selection does take back from the PC side, but there still a lot more questions than answers. Our contacts in the development community seem divided on what the box can actually deliver in terms of performance. According to one developer, “…we really don’t know how well the unit can perform, but so far it has been on par with the current generation.”
I think it just means the DVD drive can't read gamecube mini-discs and there are no gamecube controller ports. It could probably still play GC games through software emulation.
This, exactly. Makes the drive cheaper, too.
Fudzilla commenting on IGN rumors
SNIP
pastebin rumor correcting previous pastebin rumor
In regards to next gen "target" renders, never forget...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxyTUaqm2GU
I don't understand the point of the Wii U if they release it just to be a generation behind again. All this talk in the early going was about being viable for ports and having the same multiplatform titles, and now they back out of that? Why? What is the point of the console existing then? And as I said before, the tablet is just the same double screen method of the DS that never went anywhere interesting.
The Wii, for all the hate thrown at it, was a focused concept that succeeded. The Wii U is a confused mess that's not forging any new ground.
I don't understand the point of the Wii U if they release it just to be a generation behind again. All this talk in the early going was about being viable for ports and having the same multiplatform titles, and now they back out of that? Why? What is the point of the console existing then? And as I said before, the tablet is just the same double screen method of the DS that never went anywhere interesting.
The Wii, for all the hate thrown at it, was a focused concept that succeeded. The Wii U is a confused mess that's not forging any new ground.
Btw, you guys think that the 360/PS3 could do the Zelda demo and that bird demo with the same graphical fidelity?
2014 Ninthings: to clarify we meant WHIMSY from NINTENDO2023: Activision has announces that Guitar Hero U2 will not be on the U2.
2022 Ninthings: WHOO can't wait to play Wii-U2 will have awesome graphics
Also, what the hell is this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2Nsa06KRLo
It's funny, because I look at this and thing "Wow, these graphics are beautiful. Better than what I've seen on my PS3." And then I realise this is only been done with an early dev kit. And that it's not even pre rendered, but rendered live.
ON A NINTENDO CONSOLE.
They've finally filled their one gap. Wii U is going to pwn some serious ass. Guaranteed.
I don't understand the point of the Wii U if they release it just to be a generation behind again. All this talk in the early going was about being viable for ports and having the same multiplatform titles, and now they back out of that? Why? What is the point of the console existing then? And as I said before, the tablet is just the same double screen method of the DS that never went anywhere interesting.
The Wii, for all the hate thrown at it, was a focused concept that succeeded. The Wii U is a confused mess that's not forging any new ground.
Fishie from OA says that the wiiU is more powerful than what these rumors say, surprised he even revealed that much. Besides who the fuck believes that Activision wont be making games for the Wii U, they defnitely will make a Kung Fu Panda game for the console.
pastebin rumor correcting previous pastebin rumor
How expensive would something like that be? Guessing MS would have to take another $100 loss or whatever?
Fudzilla commenting on IGN rumors
SNIP
Wait. That's the PS4, right? "On par with current gen systems"? Quick, someone tell GAF, this needs at least three threads to discuss. :o
I would at least wish Nintendo has a better contingency plan this time around if third party support never materialises. In the twilight years they might have been able to keep the wii afloat better with more internal software being released at a better clip, but that may require some expansion of their studios. They've done a good job so far of releasing quite a few new ip on eshop from collaborations with smaller devs, and there have been some success stories (Mutant Mudds, despite what I think of the game's quality) so if they can get their online store all elegant and shiz the WiiU might be able to stubbornly stick around and carve out its own niche.
"The same source concluded, bluntly: "I suppose you don't need sophisticated physics to make a Mario game."
:rofl
"The same source concluded, bluntly: "I suppose you don't need sophisticated physics to make a Mario game."
:rofl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SDN01_G8KQ
KEEP HOPE ALIVE
At some point Ntards have to move the goal posts from "of course it will be more powerful than current gen systems" to "I never expected a powerful system, I just want to play Mario in HD"
I would at least wish Nintendo has a better contingency plan this time around if third party support never materialises. I
Great comeback.
Reminds me of how Nintendo got 3rd parties to support the N64, Gamecube and Wii.
You know, all the Nintendo home consoles in the past 16 years.
Wii U should get everything the PS3/360/PC get, no?
As for cross-ports with Vita, that's making the assumption that the Vita's going to be getting decent third party support down the road.
Both, I'd think.
And it *should*, but that doesn't mean it *will*. I mean, in the category of *shoulds*, the Wii probably *should* have gotten some version of Assassin's Creed, given there was a PSP version. But it didn't. Some companies look at the figures and reckon even a port isn't worth it.
As for cross-ports with Vita, that's making the assumption that the Vita's going to be getting decent third party support down the road. Cross-porting with the 3DS is probably a stretch, and iOS cross-stuff will probably happen but be just as embarrassing in the cost difference as it is now with console/iOS cross-ports.
Speaking with sources closely involved with manufacturing and distributing Nintendo products, the total cost of materials to manufacture the Wii U console (includes cost of controller) is estimated to be around $180. On top of this, our source tells us the controller’s total bill of materials and components cost no more than $50.
The source goes on to say that Nintendo is assessing the overall market and finalizing costs to determine the price for the Wii U, but it will be no less than $300 retail price when it launches.
According to our sources:
“Cutting production costs to maximize profits is Nintendo’s main concern with the Wii U. They are cutting costs in the Wii U’s hardware to build back confidence in investors. Nintendo wants investors to view Wii U as a less risky proposition. ”
The new NFC capabilities for each new Wii U controller costs no more than $5 to implement, and the prices of NFC implementation in mobile devices is expected to fall below $1 in the near future. Our source explained: “NFC capabilities are a drop in the bucket for Nintendo. As NFC becomes more mainstream in mobile devices, the price for NFC implementation will rapidly decline. Nintendo is jumping on NFC because of a projected cost decline in the technology.”
When we asked about the controller’s other manufacturing costs:
“The cameras in the Wii U controller are an estimated manufacturing cost of $6. They are slightly better quality than the 3DS and DSi cameras. The touch screen has a manufacturing cost estimated at $14.”
Wii U should get everything the PS3/360/PC get, no? and when Durango/Orbis come around, there's still the Vita, 3DS, and hell, iOS. I'd imagine if Wii had been as powerful as 360/PS3, it too would have had third party support. These days is just makes sense to put your game on wherever you can.
Steve Papoutsis, of Visceral Games and Dead Space fame, has spent the most his time pushing the current generation of consoles to their creative limits.
From changing the way action and scares work in Dead Space to developing a no holds barred hack ‘n slash from an age-old epic poem in the form of Dante’s Inferno.
It’s safe to say he knows a thing or two when it comes to the current consoles and where the games industry is headed.
So, just what would he want out of a next-gen machine?
Steve Papoutsis: “I’d love the convenience of installing your games like you do now but making that process automatic, as I want to avoid having to change discs. Microsoft has made a lot of nice improvements to the dashboard over the years so I’m expecting an even more refined and streamlined user interface for people to interact with when checking out stuff on the marketplace.
I’m hoping the next Xbox will be up to speed with the cutting edge PCs of today. I’m looking for 60 FPS gameplay across the board with outstanding visuals and more processing power for physics. In terms of features, I hope the new system will always be on and connected, because it would be awesome to have games load up super-fast and take me back to where I was the last time I played.”
I still think the controller will be $70 max.
I vaguely remember Fishie from back in the day, where does he work that he is privy to inside info?:rofl
:lol Johnny Nighttrain :lol
I vaguely remember Fishie from back in the day, where does he work that he is privy to inside info?
:lol Johnny Nighttrain :lol
I still think the controller will be $70 max.
A separate one? It will be $100.
I vaguely remember Fishie from back in the day, where does he work that he is privy to inside info?:rofl
:lol Johnny Nighttrain :lol
RETRO FPS CONFIRMED
total cost of materials to manufacture the Wii U console (includes cost of controller) is estimated to be around $180. On top of this, our source tells us the controller’s total bill of materials and components cost no more than $50.
Nintendo is assessing the overall market and finalizing costs to determine the price for the Wii U, but it will be no less than $300 retail
erm, bit more to the cost of a finished, on-the-shelf product than the cost of materials, yeah?
-like shipping, manufacturing and retailer cut
I'm pretty sure it wouldnt be difficult to get costs on this
The next Xbox console is apparently in the manufacturing stages. According to an IGN source, assembly of the next-generation Xbox hardware started recently at the Austin, Texas branch of Flextronics. This is the same electronics company currently assembling Xbox 360 hardware, and is the manufacturer of the original Xbox.Texas? :gun
Prior to reaching the manufacturing stage, Flextronics created a new testing group separate from the rest of the company. This team was solely dedicated to comprehensive marketing, software, and hardware tests of the next Xbox. With that activity concluded, Flextronics started building the hardware -- but that doesn’t necessarily mean we’ll see the Durango soon.
Select plays in Madden on a phone, then watch it play out on the TV.
QuoteSelect plays in Madden on a phone, then watch it play out on the TV.
Wow that sounds great
>:(
“Imagine a player gets up in the morning, plays an online match on his 360 before going to work,” he said. “On the bus, on his way to work, he practices his free kicks on his tablet. At lunch he looks at the transfer window on his PC. On the way home he chooses his kit on his smartphone.
“Here’s the thing: when he gets home to play again on his 360 that evening, all those achievements and upgrades will be alive in his game ”
from all appearances, maxy plays like two games a year.
All XBLA games need to work on the next xbox, with our without the hardware BC. It would be total bullshit if it didn't.This, big time. Might get in the way of their allowing friends lists to go over 100 though (but who cares about that? You don't really have 100 friends, shut up).
$299 w/Kinect 2? Bullshitthat price would completely gut nintendo and especially sony.
Re: the discussion on how analysts generate cost breakdowns. This is part of what I do for a living so I have some insight perhaps.
These are usually put together from multiple 'channel checks'. If a company like Megachips, which makes hardware for Nintendo, has shipped xxx chips to Nintendo and posted xxx sales on those chips, you know how much they are charging Nintendo for each chip. If the company in question supplies multiple components but posts a single sales figure, the analyst has to do some more legwork i.e. asking a company IR guy straight-up how much they got paid for each unit of a given component.
Usually this stuff falls under NDA or securities trading regulations, but IR guys are generally keen to paint rosy pictures of their mega-sales to hot console manufacturers, so will usually let it slip somehow, often as a range rather than a specific figure and often with a 'do not quote me' dictum. If they don't oblige, the analyst will go to non-official sources within the company i.e. plant managers or other middle-managers. The analyst can still use these figures or ranges in their own estimates - they just won't cite them as being directly from the company.
In many cases, the analyst will come at a given input cost from multiple angles, trying to pin down both the hardware cost directly from the manufacturer and the sum-of-the-parts of all the various component costs.
So it depends to a large extent on how good the analysts' sources are, and how much they are trusted. In many cases, an analyst will know EXACTLY but be unable to say that without losing his source, so will fuzz it up a bit.
$299 w/Kinect 2? Bullshit$99 xbox360. likely same deal.
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I'd be on board for $450 if that included the biggest hard drive and all.$299 w/Kinect 2? Bullshit$99 xbox360. likely same deal.
No bullshit SKU will be like $450
Does anyone think they'll have wifi built in or are they gonna try and charge another $100 for a wifi adapter this gen.
Are we really gonna see the same XBL fees again next gen? On top of online passes and day 1 DLC and all the other bullshit 'monetization'? I know the answer but still
indeed, horse armor seems perfectly normal/harmless now after the last few years of dedicated arse-rapery.
I don't buy DLC etc much and anticipate spending far less next gen than this gen. It's still aggravating to think you are never fucking DONE paying for a thing though.
No time to play anything.
But in the intervening days, CVG has conversed with publishing executives, games studios and an expert in 3D technologies to examine every single detail in the document.
In doing so, CVG was told by one anonymous source that the 56-page file is genuine.
Multiple sources have confirmed to VG247 today that a new version of the Orbis kit is now shipping to developers, and that it’s housed in a normal PC case.
There are to be four versions of the dev kit, we were told. A previous version was essentially just a graphics card. The version shipping now is a “modified PC,” and the third version, appearing in January, will be close to final spec. A final version will be delivered to developers “next summer”.
Some US developers attended a “disclosure meeting” at Sony’s offices this week, with a further meeting to take place in the coming weeks. The purpose of the meeting is for Sony to tell studios what the machine is designed to do, to detail hardware and to show a set of presentations.
Our source told us that Sony is only calling the machine Orbis, and is not using the words “PlayStation 4″ in these meetings at all.
Orbis, we were told today, is based on the AMD’s A10 APU series. An APU (Accelerated Processing Unit) is a combined CPU and GPU.
PS4′s APU was described today as a “derivative” of existing A10 hardware. The hardware is “based on A10 system and base platform”.
The “ultimate goal” for the hardware, we were told, is for it to be able to run 1080p60 games in 3D with “no problem,” to create a machine that’s powerful enough for “today and tomorrow’s market”.
The dev kits have “either 8Gb or 16Gb of RAM. Deduce from that what you will.”
The hardware is not being made in Japan, it was said.
When asked if PS4 will have an optical drive, specifically Blu-ray, our source responded: “Of course it has.” We’ve been told the hard drive will be 256Gb “as standard,” but it’s not clear if it’ll be a normal HDD or a solid state drive.
We were told that Sony’s aim with Orbis is to avoid problems involved in launching PS3 by creating something “very affordable” but that “isn’t a slouch”.
The machine has WiFi and Ethernet connectivity and HDMI out. Our source said the was “no difference” between PlayStation 3 and Orbis input/output.
The UI, however, has been revamped. It was said today that players will now be able to press the PS button mid-game and travel “anywhere” on the system. An example given was buying DLC from the PS Store mid-game then seamlessly returning to play.
“They’re trying to make it as fluid as possible,” our source said.
We were also told that the machine will be designed to accept system and product updates in the background, and that it’ll “always be in standby mode”. When you set the console up, we were told, you’ll be asked if you want to allow background downloads. You can, of course, disallow them.
No details have been given on the pad as yet. Confirmation is expected this month.
Orbis is expected to be announced at an event “just before E3″ next year.
Our source told us that Sony is only calling the machine Orbis, and is not using the words “PlayStation 4″ in these meetings at all.
It depends on backwards compatibility for me, I think. My PS3 is 6 years old at this point and I don't know how much longer it will last. If my choice is between buying cheap PS3 and a PS4 that's my PS3+new stuff, I'd go with the latter, unless it's stupidly expensive. Same situation with the 360.
also, Sony needs to design a new controller.
Lasgana: BF4
Lasgana: Coming October 23rd, 2013
Lasgana: development just started, expected to be done in 1 yr [Nirolak's Note: Since this is the one likely to elicit the most "this is fake" notes, I feel I should elaborate. Given some later points (like already have an internal demo), this seems to refer to EA's normal two year development cycle of a one year pre-production cycle with ~30-40 people and then ballooning up to 150-300 people to make the game after most things are prototyped and planned out. Visceral, BioWare, and a fair number of publishers outside EA also operate this way since it allows you to have multiple projects without cyclical layoffs due to scaling down in pre-production and scaling up in production. For example, during the downtime between Bad Company 2 and Battlefield 3, DICE's spare staff worked on making Medal of Honor's multiplayer and helping to build Need For Speed: Hot Pursuit. As to what the bulk of DICE's staff worked on prior to this going into production, it's probably either a second project or, once again, other EA games.]
Lasgana: will be on pc, ps3, xbox360 and next gen consoles
Lasgana: will be one of the first games for next gen consoles
Lasgana: commander system comes back
Lasgana: profile can be linked with other devices like ipad
Lasgana: auto login, need internet all time, support cloud saves
Lasgana: easier to pickup the game, to take care of players from CoD
Lasgana: support body and voice control for this commander system
Lasgana: better battlelog integration and better stats reporting
Lasgana: supports video playback and sharing
Lasgana: have gem store for dlc and other stuff like that
Lasgana: 3 factions: russia, usa and china
Lasgana: can deploy female soliders
Lasgana: frostbite 2.0 engine
Lasgana: pc, ps4 and xbox 720 supports 64 player maps
Lasgana: 360 and ps3 will be less
Lasgana: pc, ps4 and 720 will provide 60 fps
Lasgana: already have a demo video internally within EA,
Lasgana: matching the quality of BF3 already
Lasgana: bf4 will use 80% of power of frostbite 2, wheras bf3 only 30-40%
Lasgana: modern background
Lasgana: i mean story background
Getting early console releases is generally a good idea especially when there is almost no risk involved. Why do you think they decided to skip a Wii U version? The lack of bros in the audience?
Getting early console releases is generally a good idea especially when there is almost no risk involved. Why do you think they decided to skip a Wii U version? The lack of bros in the audience?
I'm willing to bet we won't see backwards compatibility unless either the architecture is similar or they release a special BC version that they won't maintain.
They get an early sell point with BC but after a year or two BC becomes a small issue as the next gen library becomes enough to stand on its own. Also they loss out on the option of selling old remastered collections which they seem fond of at the moment.
Microsoft is building its own 7-inch gaming tablet. Multiple sources familiar with plans within Redmond have confirmed to The Verge that initial hardware planning for an Xbox Surface is underway. Specifications for an Xbox Surface 7-inch tablet computing device leaked back in June ahead of Microsoft's Surface RT and Surface Pro announcement. We're told that the initial specs were accurate and that the final implementation is being worked on.
The Xbox Surface will likely include a custom ARM processor and high-bandwidth RAM designed specifically for gaming tasks. We're told these specifications could be altered to accommodate an unannounced Intel SoC and that the Xbox Surface is being developed independent of specific hardware architecture. Microsoft's Xbox Surface won't run a full version of Windows, rather this 7-inch tablet will run a custom Windows kernel. Messaging and other tablet functions may be supported, but the focus is on gaming.
SECRET HARDWARE, SECRET MANUFACTURING
Microsoft has developed a secret hardware production process for its Surface tablets that is separated from partners that traditionally manufacturer the company's Xbox console. We're told that the Xbox Surface will likely be manufactured in the same factory, but that any future "Xbox 720" console will be manufactured in mass quantities by companies like Pegatron or Foxconn.
We've learned that part of the Xbox Surface is being developed at Microsoft's offices in Silicon Valley. The software giant recently locked down several Xbox-related buildings, limiting employee access to the company's Interactive Entertainment Business division. The lock down is likely related to Microsoft's increased testing of the tablet, providing a way for other parts of the Xbox team to build games and software for the device. Providing the project doesn't get killed in favor of a full 7-inch Windows tablet, in the same way Microsoft axed Courier, expect to see the Xbox Surface debut ahead of Microsoft's future Xbox console.
Umm, so MS is making its entry into the portable console (3DS, Vita, etc.) market? Or are they going for the smartphone that happens to play angry birds and fruit ninja iOS market?I can't imagine MS trying to sell a portable Xbox. They don't have the first-party studios to drive the sales and the Vita should be a discouraging example. I'm guessing this will more like the PlayStation-branded Xperia phones; a half-assed attempt that will fail miserably.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/6/3608432/xbox-surface-xbox-tablet-7-inch(http://i.imgur.com/jg3aJ.jpg)QuoteMicrosoft is building its own 7-inch gaming tablet. Multiple sources familiar with plans within Redmond have confirmed to The Verge that initial hardware planning for an Xbox Surface is underway. Specifications for an Xbox Surface 7-inch tablet computing device leaked back in June ahead of Microsoft's Surface RT and Surface Pro announcement. We're told that the initial specs were accurate and that the final implementation is being worked on.
The Xbox Surface will likely include a custom ARM processor and high-bandwidth RAM designed specifically for gaming tasks. We're told these specifications could be altered to accommodate an unannounced Intel SoC and that the Xbox Surface is being developed independent of specific hardware architecture. Microsoft's Xbox Surface won't run a full version of Windows, rather this 7-inch tablet will run a custom Windows kernel. Messaging and other tablet functions may be supported, but the focus is on gaming.
SECRET HARDWARE, SECRET MANUFACTURING
Microsoft has developed a secret hardware production process for its Surface tablets that is separated from partners that traditionally manufacturer the company's Xbox console. We're told that the Xbox Surface will likely be manufactured in the same factory, but that any future "Xbox 720" console will be manufactured in mass quantities by companies like Pegatron or Foxconn.
We've learned that part of the Xbox Surface is being developed at Microsoft's offices in Silicon Valley. The software giant recently locked down several Xbox-related buildings, limiting employee access to the company's Interactive Entertainment Business division. The lock down is likely related to Microsoft's increased testing of the tablet, providing a way for other parts of the Xbox team to build games and software for the device. Providing the project doesn't get killed in favor of a full 7-inch Windows tablet, in the same way Microsoft axed Courier, expect to see the Xbox Surface debut ahead of Microsoft's future Xbox console.
few months ago this picture surfaced
(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1191927/xboxsurface.jpg)
yay ???
– All three major players are going to play very aggressive hard ball starting in Summer 2013 right before E3. Both Sony and Microsoft are attempting to court in developers to next gen engines in attempt to starve Nintendo and mobile developers. However Nintendo is banking on the argument that the other two jumped too soon to upgrade, with only the top-tier of the triple A studios such as Infinity Ward, Crystal Dynamics, ect only having next-gen level technology with most being stuck on very advanced Unreal Engine 3 level tech.
– Nintendo is hoping to play it’s cards right with new hardware add ons and a huge first party push next year where they will reveal games for both holiday 2013 and 2014, a total of 1/3rd of their internal development software. Nintendo has also been shopping around for third party developers where instead of buying them outright, either funds projects or their marketing/localization to make them exclusive or feature packed for Wii U or Nintendo 3DS. Expect more projects like Bayonetta 2 to be announced next year including a partnership that will cause huge shocks when it’s announced even worse than Bayonetta 2. My sources do not think it’s the wildly talked about Devil’s Third being a Wii U exclusive because most people have been buzzing about that and Nintendo is “keeping it extremely close to it’s chest”.
Sony is near the middle end part of their Project Orbis, their next generation PS4. It will not be called Playstation 4, teams have started to call the final name as Omni. Omni will reflect their new hardware and content delivery philosophy. Omni will be “very capable” of doing modern day graphics compared to a Direct X 11 level of technology like Unreal Engine 4 and Frostbite 2. Compared to Wii U, it is better, but not the biggest leap in the world according to developer friends of mine. The key is the Omniviewer, a thin, lite and slick head mounted autosteroptic display that can track the users head and presents a 360 image view with semi transparent AMOLED screens. This can turn any TV into a 3D TV, as well as add extra augmented reality information outside of the TV screen. One application from an entertainment perspective seeing movies in 2k, 4k or IMAX resolutions as their original size where you have to move your head to look at the full picture being displayed. Can also synch with the Vita. The new controllers whether it’s the Duo-Moves or the Classic DuoShock will have pulse sensors in the grips for biofeedback gameplay. Plans are a Basic Unit with 160 gigs and just the system with controller at $350-$399 and one with the Omniviewer and a pack-in game for $450-$499. Aims are for a September 2013 launch.
– Omni is also part of their philosophy with the new OmniCloud, the new version of Gaktai. This service will not only cloud stream PS1, PS2 and select PS3 games to Playstation Certified devices but will also allow every digital and retail purchase to have access to a copy on the cloud. Basically, you buy one game, you can use it on any Plyastation device. Direct hardware Backwards Compatibility will be available by a $70 – $99 dongle that is plugged into the Omni that contains a PS3 on a chip with Cell to run games.
– Microsoft is the most vague out of all of them. It’s slated to be the most powerful out of all the next gen consoles about 4 to 6 times more powerful than Wii U and 2 to 3 times more powerful than Playstation Omni. The project has gone through many name iterations and will not be decided on until shortly before it’s E3 unveiling. Microsoft is also running into manufacturing issues and developers not having games done on time so instead of delaying the launch to Summer 2014, they are thinking of “soft launching” it Holiday November 2013 and then have a full blow out in the summer. All units will come with Kinect 2 built in which can track up to four people, all objects in the living room, clothing, face structure and fingers. It can also understand different voices and has its own PPU. In 2014, Microsoft will introduce the “LiveWall”, a omni-projection unit that will allow game environments to be projected nearly 360 degrees around the user. Using Kinect 2, they have two demos of one that is a battlefield RTS and one that is a kung fu game with guys attacking all around. The LiveWall can also project different images on the wall, so people can play different games on different walls. Microsoft is prepared to champion this unit as a cheaper and more effective alternative to wearing a “goofy stupid VR headset” to combat Sony’s Omniviewer while Sony is going to point out the low resolution quality and the lack of privacy. The system is going to be very expensive in the $499 range so Microsoft is planning on using a remolded X-Box Live (Possibly renamed X-Box Life) to offer a Pro (Gold) subscription two or three-year contract to sell the unit at $300 – $399. The final goal with the tech is to shrink the system on a chip down enough so it can be put into tablets, PCs and Smart TVs so that all devices are X-Box ready.
Next-gen sounds awful, sigh.
That's the great thing about video games. You can offer multiple experiences that all vary from one another all on one platform. It's exciting, even if one aspect isn't for you.
If Sony was going to pack in a Vita they'd legitimately call it Orbis. Orbis is Latin for "Circle", Vita is latin for "Life" ergo if they're connected hardware, "circle of life". I don't think that'll happen though as production costs are too high for Sony to not take a blood bath on that pricing range, or they're essentially just re-releasing the PS3.
So you're finally giving up on Diablo 3 like the rest of us civil folk?Next-gen sounds awful, sigh.
Don't worry, it will be the LAST gen. :smug
ONE STEAM POWERED FUTURE, BITCHES! ALL HAIL BASED GABEN!
This can turn any TV into a 3D TV
If you want more evidence that MHz isn't everything, a little birdie points out that Durango (Xbox 720) is specc'ed to have a 1.6GHz CPU.
Man, this info is killing 'em. Gotta hurt knowing that 720 is right in line witb the U, gonna be an interesting gen.xbots :violin
Even if it's 1.6ghz, I expect it to have optical out and support Dolby. So it will instantly be better.
Even if it's 1.6ghz, I expect it to have optical out and support Dolby. So it will instantly be better.
Goal Post Moving Mode: Activated
If this news raised your hopes of the nextbox having comparative specs, you better snap out of it, kiddo. No goalposts have been moved: Wii U is still getting smoked.
oh, how i want to comment here
Then again Ninthings also think every gen 3rd parties will come back to the big N
Holy fuck a tablet for inventory would be rad. :OQuoteThen again Ninthings also think every gen 3rd parties will come back to the big N
didn't you hear? Someone bumped a year old thread about Blizzard making a console version of Diablo 3 so that's DEFINITELY Wii U as it's a prefect fit.
I hope everything they think is coming there way that isn't all get announced on the same week as the X720/PS4 so the tsunami of tears can wash away their ilk.
Mafia maker Daniel Vavra and his Warhorse Studios offered a juicy glimpse of that future in Prague recently, demonstrating in video the sort of things their unannounced 2014/15 medieval RPG can achieve.
Churned muddy tracks, aged wooden barns and farm buildings, murky but reflective water, leafy green trees; even this off-screen footage can at times look uncannily like the real thing.
The environments are built using a modified version of CryEngine 3, Eurogamer Czech reported - and the agricultural scenery is apparently just an example of what the tech can do.
Little else is known about the medieval RPG Warhorse Studios is working on, but Vavra's been studying medieval re-enactment festivals in the Czech Republic for the job.
Will this be the gen we get some big AI/procedural generation/CPU intensive game improvements?
The high cost of memory and processors will make it "impossible" for next-gen consoles "to have the same kind of impact on the console business" as the previous generation, Crytek CEO Cevat Yerli has told VideoGamer.com, before suggesting that next-generation horsepower won't be too dissimilar to the current capabilities of top-end PCs.
When asked what he would like Microsoft and Sony to factor into their next-generation consoles, Yerli stated that more memory would allow developers to do "so many more techniques and tricks".
"As a person who likes to drive technology-meets-game design as art, you can never have enough memory. Ever. Simple as that," Yerli told us. "Memory is the single most important thing that is always going to be underbalanced - I've never seen a console where the memory was the right balance.
"Xbox 360, underbalanced. PlayStation 3, underbalanced. Simply because memory is the most expensive part, hence I wish there would be cheaper ways of doing memory so that memory doesn't become an issue anymore.
"If they find ways to cheapen the cost to a degree they could triple or quadruple their memory. Just say, 'Hey we're going to have 32 gigs of memory'. That would be quite amazing because memory can do so many more techniques and tricks."
We talk to people. It's part of our job. And lately we're not hearing any big bombshells about the next generation of game consoles, but we're hearing the same buzz we've been hearing all year: the next generation of Xbox and PlayStation are right around the corner.
If you talk to people about the next-gen games at, oh, I don't know, a major gaming trade show or a major gaming awards show, the persistent impression given is that these new systems will be powerful. The old comparison I heard—and saw backed up by a solid report on IGN—was that the new Xbox would be eight times more powerful than the 360. That's old reporting, from earlier in the year. We've also heard that Durango is roughly as graphically capable as the second-most powerful PC on the market today, which, yes, is quite the indirect statement. The chatter we hear is that Durango and Orbis are close in power to each other or at least both in the same league past the current gen. Much may have changed since then and, as any Wii U owner can tell you, it's damn hard to assess how powerful a system is even when playing the first batch of games a developer made for it. (Or don't ask a Wii U user... ask an Xbox 360 user to compare 2005 360 launch games Kameo: Elements of Power or Perfect Dark Zero to 2012's Halo 4).
The vibe I get when I hear about Durango is that Microsoft is on the mark. Sony appears to inspire less confidence, though I've had a hard time nailing down why and discerning how much lost confidence is due to the on-and-off troubles of the PlayStation 3 and the struggles of the Vita vs. how much lost confidence is due to any problems looming for PS4. What I do know is that confidence is high that the next Xbox will be out in time for next Christmas. Confidence is less high that Sony will pull off the same feat, though they want to.
oh, how i want to comment here
Can I replace -one- of the 250s? Does having two different GPUs fuck with shit?
http://kotaku.com/5968211/reality-check-theres-a-strong-chance-well-have-a-ps4-and-xbox-720-a-year-from-nowQuoteWe talk to people. It's part of our job. And lately we're not hearing any big bombshells about the next generation of game consoles, but we're hearing the same buzz we've been hearing all year: the next generation of Xbox and PlayStation are right around the corner.
If you talk to people about the next-gen games at, oh, I don't know, a major gaming trade show or a major gaming awards show, the persistent impression given is that these new systems will be powerful. The old comparison I heard—and saw backed up by a solid report on IGN—was that the new Xbox would be eight times more powerful than the 360. That's old reporting, from earlier in the year. We've also heard that Durango is roughly as graphically capable as the second-most powerful PC on the market today, which, yes, is quite the indirect statement. The chatter we hear is that Durango and Orbis are close in power to each other or at least both in the same league past the current gen. Much may have changed since then and, as any Wii U owner can tell you, it's damn hard to assess how powerful a system is even when playing the first batch of games a developer made for it. (Or don't ask a Wii U user... ask an Xbox 360 user to compare 2005 360 launch games Kameo: Elements of Power or Perfect Dark Zero to 2012's Halo 4).
The vibe I get when I hear about Durango is that Microsoft is on the mark. Sony appears to inspire less confidence, though I've had a hard time nailing down why and discerning how much lost confidence is due to the on-and-off troubles of the PlayStation 3 and the struggles of the Vita vs. how much lost confidence is due to any problems looming for PS4. What I do know is that confidence is high that the next Xbox will be out in time for next Christmas. Confidence is less high that Sony will pull off the same feat, though they want to.
Needless to say,gaf has activated worried about Sony mode.
get a 660GTX.
http://majornelson.com/2013/01/02/countdown-to-e3-2013/
You guys ready?
Why B?I can't answer for him, but I find Microsoft's first party exclusives lacking. Besides Gears of War, Halo, Forza, and maybe Fable there aren't many exclusives that don't end up on Steam sooner or later.
Only PS3 for me next gen.
http://majornelson.com/2013/01/02/countdown-to-e3-2013/
You guys ready?
I might buy it at launch if it's BC, but it's Microsoft so it won't be.
Developer leak? Sooner. Simply due to them chomping at the bit to talk about what they are working on and how much they can do. It is already at a breaking point. Just read some of the interviews. Even interviews with NO real connection to next gen you get some yahoo trying to put some data in there. There is a very clear reason. Devs need to spread the word as well.
Official. MS will do their own event but not sure on the timing.
Additionally people not directly involved in games but in other bits of the systems. Television partners ;), and so on will probably leak as well.
We knew that R2 studios, a startup from the creators of the Slingbox that was focused on home automation solutions, had been courting acquisition offers from the likes of Apple and Google — but the Wall Street Journal is reporting that Microsoft was the company that was able to close the deal. The news breaks less than a week after Blake Krikorian, one of the founders of id8 Group R2 Studios Inc., stepped down from the Board of Directors at Amazon.
The price of the deal was not disclosed, but according to the WSJ Microsoft also acquired several patents owned by R2 Studios that covered controlling various electronic devices. The report also states that the R2 Studios had been working on different ways to distribute and display content on televisions, a goal that would line up nicely with Microsoft's ambitions to make the Xbox the center of the living room.
The company has been aggressively rolling out non-gaming additions to the Xbox experience in the past year, including numerous content deals and the SmartGlass second-screen application.
BC is in though in some form, if my source continues to be correct and he seemed adamant on that.
I will basically breakdown what has already been said in the other thread. The person I talked too, recently, who has now been spot on with everything the past 4-6 weeks, and before that as well, down to the day and date of each announcement, stated clearly that MS's goal is to return to the release style of the epic year everyone remembers as the core gamers year. At least sticking with that mentality for 2-3 years internally(core IP studios and sub studios), backed up by the new studios they opened recently, and as far back as 1.3 years ago. Additionally their goal, bar none, is to dominate the living room in every way, despite any obstacle whatsoever as this is the last true gen where the living room can be won for all groups, starting with core gamers. You can see the other thread for some of the other stuff I posted about, the day before the announcements, including today's as well as the rumors about the hardware in the new system. It is honestly a take no prisoners do anything attitude to take the space starting with gamers but also incorporating other parties.
Take that with whatever you wish. By looking at the days and dates of posts you can see what has been said, more importantly when.
But change your thinking about Kinectn OR Kinectplace, or Kinecthome, or what have you. There is a whole new bird there...flying around.
It is indeed. Especially if Kinect(whatever) isn't just a rehash ;)
M$ cool aid
The current-gen Kinect bundle is already $299. How will Microsoft be able to launch a high-powered next-gen system with a bundled Kinect at a reasonable price? Won't that put them in danger of being a $100 more expensive compared to their closest competitor?
It depends what they want to use it for. The tech is many years away from replacing traditional control methods. It won't be able to detect pedal motions or distinguish minute hand movments, like in this Forza Kinect live demo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REnYXw-Fbq4). However, I'm sure it could be a great complement to a gamepad if it just could read larger motions correctly. Didn't the Steel Battalion game try to implement this? Or maybe that was Kinect only.
I strongly believe that a subscription model could be a huge success in the US where people are used of buying things on credit. That would also make it a lot easier to include a Kinect, a headset, a large HDD etc.
here's an exciting music video full of jump-cuts and manic people showing how you can pay an extra $60 a year to watch hulu
People won't play games next generation, they'll just spend all their time wrangling with DRM, app stores, downloading DLC, watching advertisements, and punching themselves in the crotch.
People won't play games next generation, they'll just spend all their time wrangling with DRM, app stores, downloading DLC, watching advertisements, and punching themselves in the crotch.
People won't play games next generation, they'll just spend all their time wrangling with DRM, app stores, downloading DLC, watching advertisements, and punching themselves in the crotch.
i think you mean they will be using netflix
And it’s on...http://majornelson.com/2013/01/02/countdown-to-e3-2013/
Eight-core cpu, 8g memory, 8800 graphics, windows 8 kernel specially os, 640g hard drive.
8800 graphics
Quote8800 graphics
wait, what? :lol
Will probably enter current gen once the new one kicks off.
Quote8800 graphics
wait, what? :lol
Heavily customized chip based on AMD "8800" architecture,not directly linked to anything.Some things high,some things medium--kinda like Xenos
Also chip is supposedly just one rather large APU.
oh, I didn't know there was something AMD-related called "8800." I thought this thing had a 8800 series nVidia card in it.
Wow, they even misspelled my name. I said what I thought, not what I heard. I talked to a number of developers and publishers in 2012 who insinuated heavily that a new Xbox was originally set for last year, and talked to a developer who was contracted for an exclusive title that opted out when the system was pushed. They've since released that game. All of them were palpably frustrated at the foot dragging. And last year Yves Guillemot went on record saying he thought the longer generation had been harmful.
All of the hardware info I've heard has been over the last 9 months.
But I've heard Microsoft is pursuing certain kinds of exclusives aggressively.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re1EatGRV0w
3. Van cruncheon wont even come to this thread anymore meaning all recent rumours are true
1. My fiancee will hate this and leave the room
Yeah I read that.
What would you say is not true?
-8 cores
-8 gb ram
-8800 custom ati card
Quote from: Originally Posted by MrNyarlathotepTablet based controller = gimmicky distraction from a game
Flashing lights on your floor and peripheral vision = omg awesome can't wait
:rofl
Next-Gen Hate Squad
This leak has supposedly spawned two new correct pieces of info,never posted before.
8 cores,8GB = known before
That leaves,640GB hdd and 8800 card
That forum has some amazing emotes. We should make our own, though exclusively from Jennifer Lawrence gifs.:lol
The PS4 is not going to play PS3 games.
That's Courtdog levels of stupidity right now. That doesn't even make sense. Of course it will play PS3 games, it'll have a bluray drive. Don't start trollin the thread with nonsense fam.
unfortunately Microsoft won't show it off fully until April.
Sony employees went silent whenever I asked about the PlayStation 4, but they showed a lot of technology that seems likely to be in the console, or at least complement the new hardware.
One of them accidentally mentioned to me a 4K video player that will be revealed later this year. My guess is that the PS4 will have this capability, similar to the way the PS3 arrived at the dawn of the Blu-ray era with a Blu-ray drive inside.
On the plane ride home, I sat near a Microsoft employee who works on planning new Xbox products. When I floated my idea about the PS4 piggybacking on the move toward 4K TVs, he said he wasn’t that enthused about 4K TVs.
The Xbox guy was more excited about video-streaming hardware components shown by Broadcom and others. Using the new 802.11ac flavor of Wi-Fi, Broadcom’s new chips can stream content at up to 867 megabits per second. Broadcom refers to this fast wireless as “5G” technology.
I didn’t make it to Broadcom’s booth, but the company was showing how this hardware can connect four tablets to a TV set.
All four could simultaneously stream content, enabling them to be used for multiplayer gaming.
could actually be earlier
I'm sick of E3s full of sequels and games that look "pretty" impressive, you know, relatively speaking. I want to be blown away again. I want to have arguments over whether something's prerendered or not. I want a console war, and checking the sales charts every month. I want ridiculously-opinioned people bickering on podcasts. It's been so boring for so long. I'm sick of the status quo. Let's have an exciting gaming scene again!
Why? Why would anyone want a return of the cesspool that is console warz?
Why? Why would anyone want a return of the cesspool that is console warz?
I'm with Andrex on this.
I'm with Andrex on this.
:uguu
Why? Why would anyone want a return of the cesspool that is console warz?
Gonna be fun watching my 640x480 hentai in 4K!
HD porn ewwwGonna be fun watching my 640x480 hentai in 4K!
haven't any HD hentai movies come out on blu-ray or something?
Are all available 4K TV sets also "3D" enabled (with glasses)? Or is it a tech that will replace the failed 3D?
Are all available 4K TV sets also "3D" enabled (with glasses)? Or is it a tech that will replace the failed 3D?
Speaking of this, I really don't follow TV tech. Is 3D pretty much officially dead, or is anyone out there still trying to make a genuine push on that front?
Are all available 4K TV sets also "3D" enabled (with glasses)? Or is it a tech that will replace the failed 3D?
Speaking of this, I really don't follow TV tech. Is 3D pretty much officially dead, or is anyone out there still trying to make a genuine push on that front?
Sony, Samsung, and LG didn't mention 3D at all during their CES keynotes. On the other hand, those that came out supporting 4K:
Samsung: http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/7/3842602/samsung-un85s9-85-inch-4k-uhd-tv-announced
LG: http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/07/lgs-65-inch-4k-display-eyes-on/
Sony: http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/7/3845586/sony-4k-oled-tv-confirmed
Vizio: http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/7/3845814/vizio-pumps-up-its-hdtv-lineup-with-new-ultra-hd-4k-tv-models/in/3610341
Are all available 4K TV sets also "3D" enabled (with glasses)? Or is it a tech that will replace the failed 3D?
Speaking of this, I really don't follow TV tech. Is 3D pretty much officially dead, or is anyone out there still trying to make a genuine push on that front?
Sony, Samsung, and LG didn't mention 3D at all during their CES keynotes. On the other hand, those that came out supporting 4K:
Samsung: http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/7/3842602/samsung-un85s9-85-inch-4k-uhd-tv-announced
LG: http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/07/lgs-65-inch-4k-display-eyes-on/
Sony: http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/7/3845586/sony-4k-oled-tv-confirmed
Vizio: http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/7/3845814/vizio-pumps-up-its-hdtv-lineup-with-new-ultra-hd-4k-tv-models/in/3610341
Ok but I assume they are 3D by default?
Game scene is boring as fuck now, we need some fresh consoles, new ips and shit.Yep. E3 this year should be fun. Remember how amped everyone was over Watch Dogs? There ought to be a whole bunch more games like that incoming. :hyper
Console wars are mostly dead cause gamers are not exclusively children or opinionated teens anymore, a lot of us grew the fuck up.
i doubt there will be the extreme bifurcation this time around though - everyone's loyalties will be split, if for no other reason than basically everyone has a smartphone or a tablet as well now so their options and loyalties are perforce more complex. There won't be that kid in the basement with his N64 and no other form of entertainment claiming their shit is the best thing ever
I call bullshit. Giantbomb is accepting money from Crapcom probably to feed that fatguy who runs it more cheeseburgers.
By all means, enjoy your corporate garbage if you like taking it up the butt. I'd at least hold off because this one will be price dropping faster than that emo fegs pants do in the trailer.
homo game.
isn't everyone here a bit old to be this naive?
Are you referring to PC fanboys in general, or is there a loud contingent of Steam-only fanboys somewhere that I don't know about? I thought most PC gamers don't mind shopping at GoG, Impact, or other online stores.
AMD has filed (and been granted) a request for immediate injunctive relief against multiple former employees that it alleges stole thousands of confidential documents. Named in the complaint are Robert Feldstein, Manoo Desai, Nicholas Kociuk, and Richard Hagen. All four left AMD to work at Nvidia in the past year. The loss of Feldstein was particularly noteworthy, as he’d been the head of AMD’s console initiatives for years. Feldstein was behind the work that landed AMD the Wii U, PS4, and Xbox Durango. He also worked closely with Microsoft during the Xbox 360′s development cycle and brought that contract to ATI prior to AMD’s acquisition.
The named defendants ran Google searches for how to copy and delete large numbers of documents. Over 150,000 documents related to AMD desktop and laptop design were transferred before Kociuk turned in his resignation to AMD.
Are you referring to PC fanboys in general, or is there a loud contingent of Steam-only fanboys somewhere that I don't know about? I thought most PC gamers don't mind shopping at GoG, Impact, or other online stores.
There are a lot of people who won't buy online games from other storefronts at this stage (origin for example) unless they can redeem the codes in steam. There are some understandable reasons for this of course and then there are some people who go overboard with it.
I'm hoping this makes it to Steam by the next winter sale.
All of EA's new PC releases are Origin-only, so don't count on this.
Aww too bad. Going to suck only being able to play the first 2 but I guess i will live.
http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showthread.php?p=172384
PS3 while maybe disaterish in some aspects compared to PS2 is no way near the disasters like Saturn/Dreamcast, N64, GCN.
Haha, "disaster-ish in some aspects"? It lost far more money than any of those systems, had the worst versions of pretty much every multiplat game, had the highest price tag, and has a market share relatively similar to the Cube and lower than the N64.
I'll grant you, games wise it fared better than half of what you listed, but I think it's far more accurate to say it was disaster ish in some aspects compared to anything, and an out and out failure in other aspects.
Sfags are the only ones who can't see that.
They lost as much money in the first four years as they made on PS1/PS2 combined.
I find Xiggers the most annoying becasue they are the most defensive of sales(see ps3 beatign xbox thread).
God no. They never will. They lost as much money in the first four years as they made on PS1/PS2 combined. It's presently making money, but those sunk costs will never be made up for.
I see you did not click on a certain forum.They lost as much money in the first four years as they made on PS1/PS2 combined.
jesusssssssssssI find Xiggers the most annoying becasue they are the most defensive of sales(see ps3 beatign xbox thread).
wat :lol
nintiggers
Looks like I was right,specs trolls are officially out.
:lol gaf
The next gen threads have become hilarious especially on gaf.
Guys really want to be game insiders.
I can't wait for the real ones so we can see who shall be tarred and feathered.
wiiu will get destroyed by ps4 + 720
And iPad 5.
The lead is always the PC :smug
A senior games studio source working on an upcoming Sony game says the new system's controller has undergone numerous iterations, few of which resemble the DualShock build that has become synonymous with PlayStation.
Experiments within Sony's R&D department are thought to have been extensive. Versions of the new PS4 pad include biometric sensors on the grips and an LCD touch screen, the development source claimed.
A second source, working in a separate part of the industry but still connected to Sony, said PlayStation engineers are "trying to emulate the same user interface philosophies as the PS Vita". This is likely a reference to the touch-screen capabilities of the PlayStation handheld, and a suggestion that Sony will tightly integrate its portable and home systems.
The new console - codenamed Orbis - will be revealed in a matter of weeks, not months.
Sony has declined to comment.
Weeks? sheeeeeeeiiiiiit!!! when is the hype train picking me up?
This information tallies with what Eurogamer has heard from our own sources. We understand that as of six months ago Sony was testing a controller that had an LCD touch-screen on the front and biometrics functionality on the back. These designs, we were told, have changed almost every month, but are for the controller for the next PlayStation.
Distilled down to the fundamentals, these are the details we can share about the technological make-up of the next generation PlayStation.
CPU: Eight-core AMD processor running at 1.6GHz
Graphics core: Radeon HD hardware, 18 compute units at 800MHz
Additional hardware: GPU-like Compute module, some resources reserved by the OS
System-on-chip codename: Liverpool
Memory: 4GB GDDR5, 512MB reserved by the OS
Interesting how it has "only" 512MB reserved for OS.Weeeooo has 1GB and next xbox is rumored to have 3GB(although some rumors say that plan is to end up with 1GB).
Pure core gamers machine?
maxy
Durango or orbis?
Man Wii U is royally fucked now. I mean not that it wasn't but I almost bought the "PS4/ 720 will not be super powered machines, yall see!" mantra from devastated ninfags.
Now I can put it all to rest... Wii U is the garbagest of the garbage.
"High-five, or whatever it is Japanese people do that's like a high-five!"
I've bought some colored sponges - 1 color for jizz mopping, the other for padding nthings tears from sad faces
I can almost hear the "bu bu bu specs don't matter" over the screams of anguish at the revealed early titles
smaller companies and japan-focused projects, sure. stuff like ni no kuni or yakuza or disgaea.
but most of that stuff is going to end up on 3ds anyway. 720 will still get the important stuff like resi, dmc, metal gear, final fantasy, and so forth.
I've bought some colored sponges - 1 color for jizz mopping, the other for padding nthings tears from sad faces
I can almost hear the "bu bu bu specs don't matter" over the screams of anguish at the revealed early titles
"bobobo it isn't about the specs, it's about the games, man!"
:Looks at Wii U release list, sees tumbleweed roll by:
"It isn't about the quantity of games, it's about the quality and innovation that only Nintendo can provide!"
:Looks at NSMBU:
"Well, it's all about the appeal to people outside of hardcore gamers. My girlfriend with DD tits who turned down a modeling contract spent all last night playing Nintendoland!"
:Looks at Wii U hardware sales and sub-Gamecube and sub-Wii software sales:
"bobobobobo..."
:Nintard suicides out of shame, clutching his framed photograph of Iwata, with the last words spoken "Why?":
Jesus, I wonder if Nintendo realizes how badly they fucked up with the Wii U.
Seriously how can anyone hate on that? N64 analog stick sucked. Sony added TWO analog sticks and created an industry standard. bububu.
N64 FORCED you to use rumble pack. Dual Shock CAME with rumble installed! bubububu
Sony improved on every single thing they ripped off from Nintendo.
A person familiar with the matter said Microsoft will be "consolidating all their communications technology" around the Skype platform. This means that Skype will become the default chat service on the next generation Xbox console as well as on PC and tablets, the person said.
He added: "You might jump to the conclusion that we'll see asynchronous voice and video messages in next-gen Xbox Live".
As a kid, I had no problem with the N64 controller. in fact, I played N64 more than my PS1 because I was such a sucker for Zelda, Mario and the golden days of Rare. Was really a huge nfag back then.
PS1 was just RPGs for me and some action games here and there like MGS.
And oh, I got the Rumble Pack with the Japanese Star Fox 64 edition.
I've read people think PS4 will allow you to play Vita games on that controller.
Hmm... not a bad idea after all. I can deal with it.
As a kid, I had no problem with the N64 controller. in fact, I played N64 more than my PS1 because I was such a sucker for Zelda, Mario and the golden days of Rare. Was really a huge nfag back then.
PS1 was just RPGs for me and some action games here and there like MGS.
And oh, I got the Rumble Pack with the Japanese Star Fox 64 edition.
Stolen from gaf,fan design
(http://i.imgur.com/ERZouWz.jpg)
Rumors says big departure,that pic =dualshock with a small touchpad.What would be the purpose of a touchpad,anyway?
Moving mouse pointer around :D?
Well, maxy, i'm confused why a lot of people are suddenly concerned about the cost of the machine to Sony and MS - they've always ran that side at a loss, and they'll both continue to do so. Just has the same Concern Troll stench of pre-Vita price announcement when it was ABSOLUTELY going to be a $400 handheld -at least-
Also - why would you base how the others cost things out and get economies of scale on what Nintendo do? I also wouldn't trust any statements on the finances of anything that come out of Nintendo either.
If they are really losing money on the Wii U then , yes, they are clueless.
Whats the range on that wii u pad? Does it work through walls?
Playing games in bed would be sweet like stoney says.
Whats the range on that wii u pad? Does it work through walls?
Playing games in bed would be sweet like stoney says.
Our house has three floors - but as it's a house built by japanese it is almost entirely constructed of paper and bits of old pocky. I can play the Wii U almost everywhere on all three floors as long as i don't go too far away from the "front" side of the house. Ironically the two places it doesn't work are the downstairs toilet and the first floor bedroom. So now we sleep on the second floor and i take all my shits in the second lav.
Whats the range on that wii u pad? Does it work through walls?
Playing games in bed would be sweet like stoney says.
Our house has three floors - but as it's a house built by japanese it is almost entirely constructed of paper and bits of old pocky. I can play the Wii U almost everywhere on all three floors as long as i don't go too far away from the "front" side of the house. Ironically the two places it doesn't work are the downstairs toilet and the first floor bedroom. So now we sleep on the second floor and i take all my shits in the second lav.
Whats the range on that wii u pad? Does it work through walls?
Playing games in bed would be sweet like stoney says.
Our house has three floors - but as it's a house built by japanese it is almost entirely constructed of paper and bits of old pocky. I can play the Wii U almost everywhere on all three floors as long as i don't go too far away from the "front" side of the house. Ironically the two places it doesn't work are the downstairs toilet and the first floor bedroom. So now we sleep on the second floor and i take all my shits in the second lav.
Whats the range on that wii u pad? Does it work through walls?
Playing games in bed would be sweet like stoney says.
Our house has three floors - but as it's a house built by japanese it is almost entirely constructed of paper and bits of old pocky. I can play the Wii U almost everywhere on all three floors as long as i don't go too far away from the "front" side of the house. Ironically the two places it doesn't work are the downstairs toilet and the first floor bedroom. So now we sleep on the second floor and i take all my shits in the second lav.
Wii U changing lives :)
Seems it wouldnt work through concrete.
I see lots of people arguing about numbers(some of them are inaccurate according to some people,btw),but whatever.
But barely anyone is asking how much will this things cost.I mean Nintendo admitted they are losing money on WiiU so unless Nintendo is run by clueless chicken I just don't see how the rest will be even around $400 without substantial loss.
Kinect,WiiU like controller,big hdd,complex cooling,tech...
K, having a kid is awesome. Don't fret it :rock 2nd birthday day was terrific :bow
Would having a infant be a good excuse to buy a nintendo console?
spoken like someone without kids
you might be able to get away with a 360/kinect for the tots, but a ps3 is about as interesting for toddlers/grade schoolers as episodes of law and order.
tfw there are 15 year olds whose "greatest console" / first console is the 360 :-\
Yup. Then when they grow up and have kids themselves, they'll buy them whatever the kiddie console is at that time.
spoken like someone without kids
you might be able to get away with a 360/kinect for the tots, but a ps3 is about as interesting for toddlers/grade schoolers as episodes of law and order.
Yup. Then when they grow up and have kids themselves, they'll buy them whatever the kiddie console is at that time.
I dunno if I'd call an ipad "kiddie"
Oh please andrex im dying to know how you see the ipad as kiddie
Actually, although the word "kiddie" evokes a negative reaction among the aged adolescents that make up the hardcore gaming audience, it's not a bad thing to appeal to kids. I see no problem with saying the iPad has serious kiddie appeal.
2 year olds can operate ipad and turn on "coloring book " app.
True story.
I am privy to information that is under NDA and I can't share specific details but I will detail my thoughts to maybe give an idea of what I've seen and where I think they are going with this. At this moment in time I happen to know more about Durango than Orbis. I wrote a few pieces on a developers forum and since I don't have a lot to do I decided to copy and paste and rewrite some parts of it for Reddit. This is going to be long but somebody might like it. I'll break it down into sections so I don't put too many off.
...
Sony and Microsoft's apparent strategy for next-gen consoles:
Last thing I want to say about this is that it seems like Microsoft and Sony are taking different approaches. Microsoft are going with slower DDR RAM but more of it, they seem to be "saving" a lot of RAM for OS functions, in other words it looks like Microsoft have some sort of plans, maybe Kinect 2.0 or something. Sony on the other hand went with less RAM but it is faster GDDR RAM and Sony are also seemingly spending more money on the GPU. In other words the way it looks the PS4 will be engineered to be a pure gaming machine with more power, the 720 will fall in between the PS4 and Wii U in terms of power. It's interesting though because Microsoft are intent on saving a lot of money on memory and GPU from the looks of it and then they allocate a lot of RAM for some sort of software function. I'm thinking maybe it might actually be true that Kinect 2.0 is going to ship with all 720's, I thought it would be too expensive but considering how much they would save by going for slower RAM and a lower powered GPU and the fact that they are allocating a huge 3GB to software functions Kinect 2.0 makes sense. I have to confess I am a little disappointed with Microsoft's direction and I like the fact that Sony are so intent on lavishing every penny on making it a monster console. The two consoles from the looks of it should cost around the same but a lot of the money for the 720 will seemingly go to Kinect 2.0 while Sony will invest all that money in faster RAM and a more powerful GPU.
TL;DR/What to expect:
The first version of the next generation consoles should draw less power than the first version versions of the 360 and PS3 which means there probably won't be a power brick and the cases might be a little smaller too. With sufficient RAM resolution becomes "cheap" so you won't be sacrificing much visual detail by going to a higher resolution, in other words 1080P and 60 FPS should be the standard across the entire board. You should have a sleek quiet little box that sits under your TV, has power gating so when you are Netflixing it sips only a tiny amount of power but stays quiet and relatively cool even when it's running full power. Your games will look around Battlefield 3 on high with most/all settings maxed, 1080P60. Basically as a console gamer you will see a huge leap and everybody else will see incredible bang for buck.
The next generation consoles are being designed in mind with components that should mean they can be sold for less and still make a profit. It seems like neither Microsoft nor Sony will subsidise their next generation consoles, they will make a profit with every console sold. In fact they might be able to make a profit with a launch price of $300 to $350 though of course they could sell it for more and just make bigger margins. Either way though this is a healthier strategy and if they don't go for huge margins you should be able to pick one up for a reasonable price. It also seems like Sony and Microsoft could each match each other for price, one companies console doesn't seem to cost much more to make than the others.
The other thing to note is that both consoles have been in development for at least a year, maybe two.:teehee
tfw there are 15 year olds whose "greatest console" / first console is the 360 :-\
Sounds like somebody has eating some crazy mushrooms.Besides everything except $300 part has been already posted on internet.
Sounds like a Sonybot wrote that post.
Sounds like a Sonybot wrote that post.
After the breaking Fallout 4 news I will completely trust anything on reddit
Microsoft have some sort of plans, maybe Kinect 2.0 or something
CPU:
- x64 Architecture
- 8 CPU cores running at 1.6 gigahertz (GHz)
- each CPU thread has its own 32 KB L1 instruction cache and 32 KB L1 data cache
- each module of four CPU cores has a 2 MB L2 cache resulting in a total of 4 MB of L2 cache
- each core has one fully independent hardware thread with no shared execution resources
- each hardware thread can issue two instructions per clock
GPU:
- custom D3D11.1 class 800-MHz graphics processor
- 12 shader cores providing a total of 768 threads
- each thread can perform one scalar multiplication and addition operation (MADD) per clock cycle
- at peak performance, the GPU can effectively issue 1.2 trillion floating-point operations per second
High-fidelity Natural User Interface (NUI) sensor is always present
Storage and Memory:
- 8 gigabyte (GB) of RAM DDR3 (68 GB/s)
- 32 MB of fast embedded SRAM (ESRAM) (102 GB/s)
- from the GPU’s perspective the bandwidths of system memory and ESRAM are parallel providing combined peak bandwidth of 170 GB/sec.
- Hard drive is always present
- 50 GB 6x Blu-ray Disc drive
Networking:
- Gigabit Ethernet
- Wi-Fi and Wi-Fi Direct
Hardware Accelerators:
- Move engines
- Image, video, and audio codecs
- Kinect multichannel echo cancellation (MEC) hardware
- Cryptography engines for encryption and decryption, and hashing
You may have noticed that there are lots of rumours flying about regarding next-gen consoles. No one knows definitely when Microsoft and Sony will unveil their successors to the current Xbox and PlayStation, but Sony CEO Kazuo Hirai has said that it will let Microsoft make the first move.
In the Business section of The Times today, Hirai said, "Why go first, when your competitors can look at your specifications and come up with something better?"
With Nintendo already out the next-gen blocks with the Wii U, can Sony hold its bottle until the Microsoft announces? Surely his comments are slightly disingenuous, since there would be relatively little scope for changing the specs of the PlayStation this late in its development cycle. It's more likely that the additional time would be use to adjust the messaging surrounding the announcement.
have fun!
That ESRAM might be the thing that makes Durango special just like this gen when it comes to multiplatform titles.
???
Call of Duty, Oblivion, Bioshock, etc. all ran better on PC during launch
IIRC CliffyB said you need 2x the power on the PC taking the overhead into conisderation, so give or take a 2.5 TFLOP GPU.
GTX 670 has 2.4 TFLOPS.
GTX 680 has 3.0 TFLOPS.
Game, set, match dirty poor consoles.
IIRC CliffyB said you need 2x the power on the PC taking the overhead into conisderation, so give or take a 2.5 TFLOP GPU.
GTX 670 has 2.4 TFLOPS.
GTX 680 has 3.0 TFLOPS.
Game, set, match dirty poor consoles.
Seems like it'll be cheaper to just buy a GTX 680 than to invest in a next gen console + games + accessories.
and you get more tflops
IIRC CliffyB said you need 2x the power on the PC taking the overhead into conisderation, so give or take a 2.5 TFLOP GPU.
GTX 670 has 2.4 TFLOPS.
GTX 680 has 3.0 TFLOPS.
Game, set, match dirty poor consoles.
The Directx Team drove everything.
Orbis
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll4/Vitet/tonystarejeml.gif)
Durango
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WiiU
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll4/Vitet/ibbzIHg775hDFU.gif)
Works for polygon.
This is interesting if true(chip related).QuoteThe Directx Team drove everything.
I was on the PSN store this weekend (post update, if it's faster I didn't notice :lol) and it dawned on me - the PS4 interface is going to be some bastard child between the new store and the Vita isn't it?
Poor XMB. You had some problems but you will be missed :gloomy
PS store is still fucking garbage. The search function is the most distinguished mentally-challenged way of doing it I've ever seen
A lot of the 'insiders' in the next gen threads are starting to trip over each other with differing info from their 'sources' and then are having to correct themselves when another 'insider' challenges them on their posts. :lol
So on my PC im Working on I should get a gtx 680?
What about the CPU? If 720 has 8 cores where the fuck do I match or go better than that
So on my PC im Working on I should get a gtx 680?
What about the CPU? If 720 has 8 cores where the fuck do I match or go better than that
PS store is still fucking garbage. The search function is the most distinguished mentally-challenged way of doing it I've ever seen
It's horrendous. At this point I'd prefer the old one. The loading is unacceptable :lol
I do not understand why they make it so hard to find things I mean people talk a lot shit about Xbox Live but at least things are laid out in a more reasonable fashion.
PS store is still fucking garbage. The search function is the most distinguished mentally-challenged way of doing it I've ever seen
It's horrendous. At this point I'd prefer the old one. The loading is unacceptable :lol
I do not understand why they make it so hard to find things I mean people talk a lot shit about Xbox Live but at least things are laid out in a more reasonable fashion.
I've missed a couple PS+ items since the new store launched because I avoid using it and forget to log on before stuff expires :'( (speaking of that I hope nothing good is expiring today)
The old store wasn't perfect but I still enjoyed jumping on a few times a week and just go browsing around
PS store is still fucking garbage. The search function is the most distinguished mentally-challenged way of doing it I've ever seen
PS store is still fucking garbage. The search function is the most distinguished mentally-challenged way of doing it I've ever seen
It's horrendous. At this point I'd prefer the old one. The loading is unacceptable :lol
I do not understand why they make it so hard to find things I mean people talk a lot shit about Xbox Live but at least things are laid out in a more reasonable fashion.
I've missed a couple PS+ items since the new store launched because I avoid using it and forget to log on before stuff expires :'( (speaking of that I hope nothing good is expiring today)
The old store wasn't perfect but I still enjoyed jumping on a few times a week and just go browsing around
The Xbox 720 will not be called that when it is finally announced. Instead, Microsoft will be reverting to the name of its first games console released 11 years ago, Xbox.
In addition, it will be seen as a hub to a number of devices to carry an "X" branding, one of which will be the much-rumoured 7-inch gaming tablet, which Pocket-lint has learnt will be called X-Surface, not Xbox Surface as previously thought.
The X-Surface will not be a Windows 8 or Windows RT device, we have been told by a tipster very close to the project who, naturally, wishes to remain anonymous. Instead, it will be a standalone portable gaming system. On launch, we are informed, it will be able to access the games, music and video hubs of the new Xbox, but will not have any apps of its own. It will not have a desktop as part of its operating system, rather be entirely focused on playing full console-quality games.
Although there are no technical specifications touted, we have also been told that the X-Surface tablet has much improved hardware over a Surface RT. With the source claiming that he/she "witnessed Unreal Engine 3 demos running at a solid 60fps".
There are also unconfirmed rumours that the X-Surface will have a proprietary 2.4GHz wireless protocol for compatibility with Xbox 360 controllers and, it is said, future control devices.
As for the "Xbox" itself, the tipster has confirmed some of the specifications previously leaked. "The majority of information leaked recently by many sources is true," Pocket-lint was told.
Microsoft is working with AMD on the central and graphics processors. The CPU will be 8-core, as previously rumoured, although each core will be running at 1.9GHz instead of the 1.6GHz reported. The rumours on the graphics trip were true, being an 800MHz GPU. "One benchmark used internally has been a custom build Watch Dogs E3 demo which runs at 55-60fps with only five cores at 100 per cent," we were told.
We've seen Ubisoft's Watch Dogs demo running on a super powered PC at E3 2012, so if this is true, the Xbox's graphical prowess will be most impressive.
One incorrect former rumour about the new Xbox that has been quashed by the tipster is that one of the cores will be dedicated to running the operating system. The OS will have a similar look to Windows 8, with moveable tiles, but won't be literally using that software. It will also require two-cores to run, as it will remain active in the background in order to provide full multitasking functionality. "Very much akin to Nintendo's offerings on 3DS and Wii U - but on a far larger scale," explained the source.
A couple of the features of multitasking explained to us include video calling in games (with users able to determine which corner of the screen to place the feed), and the ability to take screengrabs to save to hard drive or SkyDrive.
The source hasn't had access to the new Xbox controller, but says that button placement must be the same considering a normal Xbox 360 controller has been used in development. It will look different however, we have been told, as two design teams have been working on the controller alone.
http://x-surface.tumblr.com/
http://x-surface.tumblr.com/
http://x-surface.tumblr.com/
Instead, the Orbis' controller features a capacitive touch pad, like you find on the back of a Vita (presumably it's also on the back of the PS4's controller), that can recognise two-point multi-touch. The entire pad can also be "clicked" for an additional input button.
The information you're about to read comes from official Orbis documentation, a hive of more than 90 PDFs about the forthcoming console. The details of the files were shared with Kotaku by an individual known as SuperDae, the same person who last year attempted to sell a pair of next-gen Xbox development kits on eBay.NDA :'(
That being the case, here's what we know is inside PS4 development kits—model # DVKT-KS000K—as of January 2013. As you'll see, some things have changed since earlier kits became available in March 2012.
System Memory: 8GB
Video Memory: 2.2 GB
CPU: 4x Dual-Core AMD64 "Bulldozer" (so, 8x cores)
GPU: AMD R10xx
Ports: 4x USB 3.0, 2x Ethernet
Drive: Blu-Ray
HDD: 160GB
Audio Output: HDMI & Optical, 2.0, 5.1 & 7.1 channels
The PS4's controller will again be capable of motion-sensing, like its PS3 predecessors, only now with improved technology like tilt correction. It will also feature vibration, which Sony has thankfully learned is a next-gen feature you need to launch with. It'll also have an RGB LED light in it.
While there have been reports of the PS4 controller featuring "biometric" technology, there was no mention of it in the information we were provided.
There's one other addition to the PS4's pad you won't find on a DualShock 3: a "Share" button. We're not exactly sure what it does.
OLD MAN DRINKY U LIED TO ME
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=510076
I spend most of my days in frustration knowing damn well what I could do with the hardware, but what I cannot do because Microsoft and IHVs wont provide low-level GPU access in PC APIs. One simple example, drawcalls on PC have easily 10x to 100x the overhead of a console with a libGCM style API....
This sounds a lot like the "Xbox 360 can't handle *exclusive ps3 game*" that we heard the whole first year or two of this Gen (hello VF and Final Fantasy!). MS has proven that it knows how to provide the right tools to developers to easily make games. No one cares about the potential crazy results of overly complicated hardware if it takes too much time/effort to code for it and the difference in sales isn't worth it (hello there ps3 multiplatform games!). It honestly sounds like Sony hasn't learned their lesson and fanboys are revving up for the next gen again
Why would ms change the guts of the durango after xbox and 360 both had this simple approach?
It just doesnt make sense.
Eh...both consoles are simple off the shelf PC parts. Nothing fancy other than some secret sauce in Durango or PS4 fast RAM.
zzz
Question:What are the cases where cache misses are common ?
A lot of compute jobs.
Any Shader with unpredictable access.
Any Shader with enough inputs that the cache can't handle it.
Any unswizzled input
My guess would be that it's designed the way it is for a reason, MS do a lot of measurement of 360 titles and GPU utilization, and I'd guess that they found that a lot of the compute resources were under utilized because of data stalls.
There isn't much you can do on a PC to fix this, you need API support for something like a fast memory pool, all you can really do on a PC is increase the size of register pools to increase the number of threads in flight and increase the caches, and that might be more expensive for a given performance gain than throwing more CU's ar the problem.
As I said I wouldn't like to posit how much CU's are underutilized in the average modern renderer because of data stalls. If I were guessing I would GUESS it is a significant amount.
I do know it's stupidly easy to write a compute job that you think will run 100x faster than your trivial CPU solution, benchmark it and discover it's actually slower, because the ALU's are all sitting there waiting for data. It's one of the reasons I've been saying that FLOPS are not a useful performance metric.
And as I said before the danger with the solution MS has come up with is you need to schedule moves of source data to the fast RAM, that eats bandwidth, and if you can't get it there fast enough the entire rendering pipeline stalls.
I also have questions as to how deferred renderers are best handled with such a small fast memory pool. It wouldn't be unusual for a deferred renderer to write 28 bytes/pixel, and that won't fit in 32MB at 1080P. Can you split the MRT's to different pools? Does MS provide guidance for devs trying to do this?
To me it's an interesting approach, How effective it is will depend on how ALU bound vs Data bound shaders are in modern games, I just haven't looked at enough data or spoken to anyone who has to have a good idea.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=510374Yup, important to note it's very different (better) than the 8GB MS are shipping
PS4 only has 4 GB of RAM?
One week ago we published a detailed report about Durango, the next-gen Microsoft system. The company has built a powerful system, more than Wii U. Now, we would like to share with you the specs for Orbis, Sony’s alternative machine for the next-gen. After you gents and ladies.
LIVERPOOL SOC
Custom implementation of AMD Fusion APU Arquitecture (Accelerated Processing Unit)
Provides good performance with low power consumtion
Integrated CPU and GPU
Considerably bigger and more powerful than AMD’s other APUs
CPU:
Orbis contains eight Jaguar cores at 1.6 Ghz, arranged as two “clusters”
Each cluster contains 4 cores and a shared 2MB L2 cache
256-bit SIMD operations, 128-bit SIMD ALU
SSE up to SSE4, as well as Advanced Vector Extensions (AVX)
One hardware thread per core
Decodes, executes and retires at up to two intructions/cycle
Out of order execution
Per-core dedicated L1-I and L1-D cache (32Kb each)
Two pipes per core yield 12,8 GFlops performance
102.4 GFlops for system
GPU:
GPU is based on AMD’s “R10XX” (Southern Islands) architecture
DirectX 11.1+ feature set
Liverpool is an enhanced version of the architecture
18 Compute Units (CUs)
Hardware balanced at 14 CUs
Shared 512 KB of read/write L2 cache
800 Mhz
1.843 Tflops, 922 GigaOps/s
Dual shader engines
18 texture units
8 Render backends
Memory:
4 GB unified system memory, 176 GB/s
3.5 available to games (estimate)
Storage:
- High speed Blu-ray drive
single layer (25 GB) or dual layer (50 GB) discs
Partial constant angular velocity (PCAV)
Outer half of disc 6x (27 MB/s)
Inner half varies, 3.3x to 6x
- Internal mass storage
One SKU at launch: 500 GB HDD
There may also be a Flash drive SKU in the future
Networking:
1 Gb/s Ethernet, 802.11b/g/n WIFI, and Bluetooth
Peripherals:
Evolved Dualshock controller
Dual Camera
Move controller
Extra:
Audio Processor (ACP)
Video encode and decode (VCE/UVD) units
Display ScanOut Engine (DCE)
Zlib Decompression Hardware
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=510374
PS4 only has 4 GB of RAM?
UPDATE: some people is confused about the GPU, here you have more info about it:
Each CU contains dedicated:
- ALU (32 64-bit operations per cycle)
- Texture Unit
- L1 data cache
- Local data share (LDS)
About 14 + 4 balance:
- 4 additional CUs (410 Gflops) “extra” ALU as resource for compute
- Minor boost if used for rendering
Dual Shader Engines:
- 1.6 billion triangles/s, 1.6 billion vertices/s
18 Texture units
- 56 billion bilinear texture reads/s
- Can utilize full memory bandwith
8 Render backends:
- 32 color ops/cycle
- 128 depth ops/cycle
- Can utilize full memory bandwith
- 1.6 billion triangles/s360 GPU is 500 million triangles per second
If these numbers are right, the Durango GPU is actually better when it comes to pure graphics.
The triangles, and vertices rate.
So is the 720 doesn't deliver, Drinky is the Bore's scapegoat, right?
One of the gaf "insiders" said that dev told him that two machines are like Xbox vs Gamecube.
You can now see your own penis and facial expression while fapping:rofl
tell me more about Direct X 11.1
the '.1' doesn't sound very impressive but i assume it has some edge over what's currently possible (let alone what is actually being done...) on PCs.
tell me more about Direct X 11.1
the '.1' doesn't sound very impressive but i assume it has some edge over what's currently possible (let alone what is actually being done...) on PCs.
whatcha wanna know?
You can now see your own penis and facial expression while fapping
so wait I can buy a PS4, or keep fapping in the mirror
what does dual camera even mean?
the controller has a camera on the front and back to do AR stuff? or an eyetoy with depth perception / kinect through different means?
what does dual camera even mean?
the controller has a camera on the front and back to do AR stuff? or an eyetoy with depth perception / kinect through different means?
dual cam is a la Kinect - with two distinct cams in one unit that may or may not be able to track two move controllers or..... OR.... ORRRRRR...... something ELSE :O
AFAIK 11.1 is basically tesselation(using the gpu to do geometry), ai(for atleast pathing) and physics all done on the GPU.
what does dual camera even mean?
the controller has a camera on the front and back to do AR stuff? or an eyetoy with depth perception / kinect through different means?
dual cam is a la Kinect - with two distinct cams in one unit that may or may not be able to track two move controllers or..... OR.... ORRRRRR...... something ELSE :O
...penises?
AFAIK 11.1 is basically tesselation(using the gpu to do geometry), ai(for atleast pathing) and physics all done on the GPU.
I am, as I said, completely out of the loop here but that all sounds like stuff my GPU is already doing. And several years' worth of GPUs before it too. So not much new hotness then?
Rare veteran George Andreas has left Microsoft to join Sony.
Andreas, who played a key role in the development of the Kinect hardware, Kinect Sports 1 and Kinect Sports: Season 2 as well as Xbox 360 launch games Kameo and Perfect Dark Zero, joined Sony this month as creative director of Sony Computer Entertainment Europe, working out of SCEE's London office.
why are Europeans such Sony fegs?
But that's the case in NA as well, and we still dumped them like last week's garbage when they stopped winning.
why are Europeans such Sony fegs?
As for playstation,it made (console)gaming popular here and it was piratable two times in a row,lots of goodwill there.
why are Europeans such Sony fegs?
Nobody with a modicum of taste had a problem ditching SEGA for the PSX. The PSX fucking ruled.
Europe always has been and always will be a Sony land. Deal with it and QQ more MS feggits. You cannot stronge arm your way around here like in neckbeard central, Arizona.
neckbeard central, Arizona.
Oh and Sega - which was dominationing until the 32X/Saturn fuck up
Ahh, so basically they were the competent ones in a sea of shitty efforts from other companies. That explains a lot, actually.
Sfaggatory in the UK was much more wide spread after John... ?!
Yes - anyways - if you didnt spunk your pants over the Ps1 you were a coq.
An euros got the delicious facial that was Wipeout at the high point of club culture - it was a seminal moment and as a result Sony have enjoyed a status in europe that has probably over stayed where the company direction went over the last XX years.
But people remember those days - the fact that Liverpool SCE got a bullet to the throat is a painful reality no matter which side of FagEmp you sit
:bow free online :bow2
oh dear, you think online is going to be free again
how quaint
Online is better if you pay for it.
It's like going to a bar. I could drink for so much cheaper at home with friends. But the alcohol just tastes better when you double/triple the price for the same product
Wow, you guys sure dodged a bullet there. NES/SNES totes sucked.
:bow free online :bow2
oh dear, you think online is going to be free again
how quaint
Well, it will be for me, that's for certain. Even if it means that I'm only playing online on my PC and Wii U, I'm not paying for online again, dammit.
I'd disagree but I doubt EU and Japan/USA are ever going to reconcile their differences concerning that era.
I had a C64 before I got a NES, and while it had a fair number of cool games, I felt like the kid who had GoBots instead of Transformers.
Europe has always been and always will be a Sony land. Deal with it and QQ more MS feggits. You cannot strong arm your way around here like in neckbeard central, Arizona. When the time comes and PS4 launches here you will see unheard of queues in the electronic equipment "malls".:rofl
You can try your luck again with another Xbox Boat on Thames or some other lame-ass stunt but Europe will never succumb to filthy Xbawks. Luckily it will be severely underpowered this time next to GodStation 4 so no worries about UK/ France/ Germany charts.
I'd disagree but I doubt EU and Japan/USA are ever going to reconcile their differences concerning that era.
I had a C64 before I got a NES, and while it had a fair number of cool games, I felt like the kid who had GoBots instead of Transformers.
Europe has always been and always will be a Sony land. Deal with it and QQ more MS feggits. You cannot strong arm your way around here like in neckbeard central, Arizona. When the time comes and PS4 launches here you will see unheard of queues in the electronic equipment "malls".:rofl
You can try your luck again with another Xbox Boat on Thames or some other lame-ass stunt but Europe will never succumb to filthy Xbawks. Luckily it will be severely underpowered this time next to GodStation 4 so no worries about UK/ France/ Germany charts.
Wow, you guys sure dodged a bullet there. NES/SNES totes sucked.
Nobody with a modicum of taste had a problem ditching SEGA for the PSX. The PSX fucking ruled.
I never owned a snes or a nes. Was playing computer games at the time. So what is "classic" is highly variable on what a person is interested in.
I never owned a snes or a nes. Was playing computer games at the time. So what is "classic" is highly variable on what a person is interested in.
No, it's not. I'm not a Sonic fan at all, but I'm not gonna deny Sonic's classic status.
Thing is people still know Sonic NOW, while maybe not everyone remembers Amiga classics like Nigel Mansels F1 just cause they aren't around anymore. This skews the picture towards NES/SNES/MEGA DRIVE had all the classics, which is not true.
I'd disagree but I doubt EU and Japan/USA are ever going to reconcile their differences concerning that era.
I had a C64 before I got a NES, and while it had a fair number of cool games, I felt like the kid who had GoBots instead of Transformers.
The C64 was released 4 years before the NES in Europe. Not a fair comparison.
Also C64 and Amiga were way cooler then NES/SNES :yuck
I never owned a snes or a nes. Was playing computer games at the time. So what is "classic" is highly variable on what a person is interested in.
You mean this?Europe has always been and always will be a Sony land. Deal with it and QQ more MS feggits. You cannot strong arm your way around here like in neckbeard central, Arizona. When the time comes and PS4 launches here you will see unheard of queues in the electronic equipment "malls".:rofl
You can try your luck again with another Xbox Boat on Thames or some other lame-ass stunt but Europe will never succumb to filthy Xbawks. Luckily it will be severely underpowered this time next to GodStation 4 so no worries about UK/ France/ Germany charts.
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I was actually searching for the gif version where it sinks alas could not find it...
I never owned a snes or a nes. Was playing computer games at the time. So what is "classic" is highly variable on what a person is interested in.
This is basically the equivalent of saying "I never saw Citizen Kane of Casablanca, so what's classic is debatable." It's demonstrably wrong. Your "let's not be hasty and try to see everything from all sides" thing can be carried too far, Stoney.
Are you saying that Sonic the Hedgehog, a game that literally started the animal mascot platformer boom, is not influential? A game that transformed platformers from slower Mario type games to faster, more agile side scrollers? That the entire 16-bit generation aped?
There are no c64 games worth playing today. It's one of those 'you had to be there' type of systems.
Unless you wanted to play the games with the point of gaining historical appreciation for what they are and what they were able to do back then. That would be about the only benefit I could see.
There are no c64 games worth playing today
I never owned a snes or a nes. Was playing computer games at the time. So what is "classic" is highly variable on what a person is interested in.
This is basically the equivalent of saying "I never saw Citizen Kane of Casablanca, so what's classic is debatable." It's demonstrably wrong. Your "let's not be hasty and try to see everything from all sides" thing can be carried too far, Stoney.
I'm fine with that if a person is truly well versed. If a person watched or played everything. If your history is that you played Intellivision, 2600, Atari ST, Nintendo, etc. If you are a true historian of whatever the thing is you are a fan of. When it comes to videogames I don't think most people are as well versed as they think they are. They are practicing selective gameplaying and then determing the classics. They are letting whatever thing they played as kid determine their classics because it came at a very impressionable age. I'm generalizing of course and not everybody here is guilty of that but a lot of people are in general. So when I say a classic is highly variable on what a person is interested in or played, I think that is the case for a large majority of people.
Stoney is right people will compare to what they know, horror games? Resident Evil for most, even though Alone in the Dark was way before that ( and who knows what else).There are no c64 games worth playing today. It's one of those 'you had to be there' type of systems.
Unless you wanted to play the games with the point of gaining historical appreciation for what they are and what they were able to do back then. That would be about the only benefit I could see.
River Raid is still good.
You can prob play the NES version.
Yeah, Sonic is iconic/ cult favourite/ classic Stoney. Klonoa isn't. Gex isn't. Banjo isn't. Sonic is.
As for iconic non-NES/ SNES games known in Europe that I owned:
Amiga you distinguished losers :gun
- Sensible Soccer
- Cannon Fodder
- Lemmings
- SuperFrog
- Worms
- Alien Breed (see a pattern here? TEAM FUCKING 17)
- The Settlers
- SlamTilt/ Pinball Dreams/ Pinball Fantasies (rulez!)
- Banshee
C64 you punks :punch
- Green Beret
- Boulder Dash
- Commando
- Knight Lore
- Gyruss
- Monty on the Run
- Exolon
- Last Ninja 2
Wow, you guys sure dodged a bullet there. NES/SNES totes sucked.
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pretty telling that half of borys's c64 list are ports of Japanese NES games
I mean, at least with the Amiga you can make a list of somewhat unique stuff (though again, outside of Europe, no one's going to put up with the jankiness that permeates Amiga action/platformers). I still think pound for pound you were better off owning a console or PC during that time, though.
and again we see in this thread, Lager talking about shit he admittedly has no knowledge of.
still think pound for pound you were better off owning a console or PC during that time, though.
dc, i don't know about the european continent. i lived in a first world country. i didn't have to choke down tripe and pretend it was steak.
dc, i don't know about the european continent. i lived in a first world country. i didn't have to choke down tripe and pretend it was steak.
i'd thought cloud based BC for PS4 for was foregone conclusion at this point...was that nothing more than idle speculation?
i'd thought cloud based BC for PS4 for was foregone conclusion at this point...was that nothing more than idle speculation?
I'd expect it to be part of PS+.
Lasgana: BF4*I think console versions of BF3 were 24 players (?)
Lasgana: Coming October 23rd, 2013
Lasgana: development just started, expected to be done in 1 yr [Nirolak's Note: Since this is the one likely to elicit the most "this is fake" notes, I feel I should elaborate. Given some later points (like already have an internal demo), this seems to refer to EA's normal two year development cycle of a one year pre-production cycle with ~30-40 people and then ballooning up to 150-300 people to make the game after most things are prototyped and planned out. Visceral, BioWare, and a fair number of publishers outside EA also operate this way since it allows you to have multiple projects without cyclical layoffs due to scaling down in pre-production and scaling up in production. For example, during the downtime between Bad Company 2 and Battlefield 3, DICE's spare staff worked on making Medal of Honor's multiplayer and helping to build Need For Speed: Hot Pursuit. As to what the bulk of DICE's staff worked on prior to this going into production, it's probably either a second project or, once again, other EA games.]
Lasgana: will be on pc, ps3, xbox360 and next gen consoles
Lasgana: will be one of the first games for next gen consoles
Lasgana: commander system comes back
Lasgana: profile can be linked with other devices like ipad
Lasgana: auto login, need internet all time, support cloud saves
Lasgana: easier to pickup the game, to take care of players from CoD
Lasgana: support body and voice control for this commander system
Lasgana: better battlelog integration and better stats reporting
Lasgana: supports video playback and sharing
Lasgana: have gem store for dlc and other stuff like that
Lasgana: 3 factions: russia, usa and china
Lasgana: can deploy female soliders
Lasgana: frostbite 2.0 engine
Lasgana: pc, ps4 and xbox 720 supports 64 player maps
Lasgana: 360 and ps3 will be less*
Lasgana: pc, ps4 and 720 will provide 60 fps
Lasgana: already have a demo video internally within EA,
Lasgana: matching the quality of BF3 already
Lasgana: bf4 will use 80% of power of frostbite 2, wheras bf3 only 30-40%
Lasgana: modern background
Lasgana: i mean story background
If the next-gen consoles are only about putting out current gen PC titles @ 1080p 60fps then eek.
Save us, Naughty Gods!
If the next-gen consoles are only about putting out current gen PC titles @ 1080p 60fps then eek.
Save us, Naughty Gods!
that's about all we got at the start of the current gen...COD2 was a nice upgrade at the time but obviously just a placeholder in the grand scheme of things...
Early 360 games were incredible, especially for multiplayer. Agreed about COD2 being the peak.
Both companies are expected to launch their new console systems this holiday season. GTA, which is usually a system seller, could have the opposite effect this time around -- keeping players away from the new consoles by offering a compelling reason to stick with their Xbox 360s and PlayStation 3s.GTA5 loser edition...PS3,360
That's a nightmare scenario for the console companies, which are going to have a tough enough time attracting a new audience for the systems. Nintendo's sales shortfall with the Wii U already had them nervous. The thought of launching a GTA-less system two months after what could be the year's hottest game hits shelves can't be an appealing one.
Of course, it's possible there's more to this delay than just polishing the game. There are, in fact, a couple of potential reasons to hold it back.
Microsoft has showered Rockstar with money in the past, buying first-pass rights for DLC content for GTA IV. It's entirely possible the company has done so again, buying an exclusive port of GTA V for the next generation Xbox -- and wanted the launches closer together. (Sony doesn't seem to be in a financial position to do so at present.)
Sales of the game would be minimal, since the install base of the system will be so comparatively small, but it would give Microsoft an important bragging right -- and make its next generation system seem very current and relevant to core gamers, who will be critical to this upcoming generation. (Keep in mind, those Destiny court documents that came out during Activision's legal fight with Jason West and Vince Zampella indicate that Destiny will be exclusive to the system as well, so having GTA in the fold as well would be a killer one-two punch.)
Radiohead fans ::)
I can't fucking stand Sony for two reasons: 1) my PS3 broke on me after I paid a ludicrous £399 for it + games, and 2) some of their fans are insufferable rage inducing morons and shill for them all over the Internet. I want everyone involved to be unhappy
Oh and make that three reasons -- 3) everyone bought PS2s instead of superior Dreamcasts, Gamecubes and Xboxen. The world is still owed justice for that transgression.
I can't fucking stand Sony for two reasons: 1) my PS3 broke on me after I paid a ludicrous £399 for it + games, and 2) some of their fans are insufferable rage inducing morons and shill for them all over the Internet. I want everyone involved to be unhappy
Oh and make that three reasons -- 3) everyone bought PS2s instead of superior Dreamcasts, Gamecubes and Xboxen. The world is still owed justice for that transgression.
Oh look, another butthurt Sega fan shitting on Sony. How novel.
After Vita event,bunch of people on some European forums were trying to convince me that Vita is going to dominate,outsell 3DS and even replace consoles in the West.
I was like--wait,what,how?
"Dude,console gaming on the go,dual analogs,front and back touch,imagine the possibilities,amazing graphics,Uncharted,look at third party(COD),coding to the metal look look"
But it doesn't have TV out,what about my TV
"Who cares,Sony will release a dongle,Uncharted on the go,COD,you can take your games anywhere"
But I don't want to take my games with me,I want to play them on a big TV
"Vita is the future--enjoy your crappy underpowered gimped smartphone,hater...blah blah blah"
smh
I fully expect to see something similar after PS4 event.Better start packing my xbox,PC,TV,etc so I can quickly throw them out of the window.It will be fun to read though :D
I can't fucking stand Sony for two reasons: 1) my PS3 broke on me after I paid a ludicrous £399 for it + games, and 2) some of their fans are insufferable rage inducing morons and shill for them all over the Internet. I want everyone involved to be unhappy
Oh and make that three reasons -- 3) everyone bought PS2s instead of superior Dreamcasts, Gamecubes and Xboxen. The world is still owed justice for that transgression.
Oh look, another butthurt Sega fan shitting on Sony. How novel.
He's actually a ninthing or has been recently.
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full week without their hacked PlayStation networkAccording to Wiki,it lasted 24 days.
that worked out okay for me, i rarely ever played online anyway so i basically got some free games for continuing not to play online
i did have to get a new bank card, though, but that was just a phone call
Development sources with working knowledge of both next generation consoles have told us that PlayStation 4 will be more powerful than the next Xbox, will ship with a redesigned controller and launch by the end of the year in Japan and the US. PlayStation 4’s European launch will follow in early 2014.
Sony is set to reveal its next PlayStation on Wednesday February 20th at an event dubbed ‘see the future’. Sony Computer Entertainment released a teaser video last night to announce the event. Below, our sources revealed what to expect from PlayStation 4.
The controller
Sources close to the hardware have revealed to us that PS4 will ship with a redesigned controller which is the same size as an existing DualShock but features a small touchpad in place of the existing Select, Start and PS buttons. The tech is based on Vita’s rear touchpad, and is similarly responsive in use.
A new Share button on the controller will, when pressed, launch a new feature that will allow screenshots and video to be distributed online. The PS4 hardware will continually record the most recent 15 minutes of onscreen action (with no processing penalty, claims our source), which users will then be able to edit and broadcast via the Internet.
The launch
We’re told that PlayStation 4 will launch in Japan and the US by Christmas, with a Euro rollout following in early 2014, the delay attributed to the complexities involved in European distribution. Alongside the console, Sony will also introduce a new, improved iteration of its PlayStation Eye peripheral, which remains compatible with the PlayStation Move controller. Move will be available at launch, but it’s not clear yet whether it will be bundled with the hardware. Sony has already earned an enormous amount of goodwill among studios working with PS4 development hardware. Privately, Sony representatives have conceded that the company made a mistake in creating such esoteric architecture for PS3, and its strategy for PS4 gives developers more opportunities this time around, notably because the hardware is much more PC-like in its makeup than PS3.
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a redesigned controller which is the same size as an existing DualShock
In the glory days of innocence I was a 50/50 segadriven ninthing, had both, loved both.
While recent alleged leaks of PS4 specs had triggered the inevitable debate on whether it's going to outperform the next Xbox, a Sony insider told me that this isn't going to be the focus at the company.
The war won't be won by producing the most powerful system, the person said. Sony is focusing attentions on fighting the Xbox business head-on with a well organised and timely console launch. No long waits, no executive hubris, no historic calamities.
Of course, this morning a Microsoft insider offered a poignant reminder: "Victory will go not to those who make the most noise, but those who make the most impact".
Development sources with working knowledge of both next generation consoles have told us that PlayStation 4 will be more powerful than the next Xbox, will ship with a redesigned controller and launch by the end of the year in Japan and the US. PlayStation 4’s European launch will follow in early 2014.
Sony is set to reveal its next PlayStation on Wednesday February 20th at an event dubbed ‘see the future’. Sony Computer Entertainment released a teaser video last night to announce the event. Below, our sources revealed what to expect from PlayStation 4.
The controller
Sources close to the hardware have revealed to us that PS4 will ship with a redesigned controller which is the same size as an existing DualShock but features a small touchpad in place of the existing Select, Start and PS buttons. The tech is based on Vita’s rear touchpad, and is similarly responsive in use.
A new Share button on the controller will, when pressed, launch a new feature that will allow screenshots and video to be distributed online. The PS4 hardware will continually record the most recent 15 minutes of onscreen action (with no processing penalty, claims our source), which users will then be able to edit and broadcast via the Internet.
The launch
We’re told that PlayStation 4 will launch in Japan and the US by Christmas, with a Euro rollout following in early 2014, the delay attributed to the complexities involved in European distribution. Alongside the console, Sony will also introduce a new, improved iteration of its PlayStation Eye peripheral, which remains compatible with the PlayStation Move controller. Move will be available at launch, but it’s not clear yet whether it will be bundled with the hardware. Sony has already earned an enormous amount of goodwill among studios working with PS4 development hardware. Privately, Sony representatives have conceded that the company made a mistake in creating such esoteric architecture for PS3, and its strategy for PS4 gives developers more opportunities this time around, notably because the hardware is much more PC-like in its makeup than PS3.
We have confirmed with sources that recently leaked tech specs are accurate. Though Durango devkits offer 8GB of DDR3 RAM, compared to Orbis’s 4GB, Sony’s GDDR5 solution is capable of moving data at 176 gigabytes per second, which should eliminate the sort of bottlenecks that hampered PS3 game performance. Importantly, we’ve learned that Sony has told developers that it is pushing for the final PS4 RAM to match up to Microsoft’s 8GB.
Both platforms are driven by eight-core AMD CPUs clocked at 1.6GHz, with Microsoft opting for a D3D11.x GPU from an unknown source and Sony utilising a more capable solution in AMD’s ‘R10XX’ architecture, alongside the so-called ‘Liverpool’ system-on-chip.
It’s clear Sony has designed a system that, on paper, outperforms Microsoft’s next Xbox. One source familiar with both platforms tells us that in real terms Sony’s console is “slightly more powerful” and “very simple to work with”.
Ultimately, the performance differences between the two consoles will have as much bearing on multiplatform releases as the differences between PS3 and 360 – very little – but Sony will be expecting big-budget firstparty releases such as the PS4 Uncharted sequel to demonstrate its console’s superiority.
The next PlayStation will be unveiled later this month, shown at this year's E3 and then launched this holiday where it will compete with the next Xbox, sources familiar with the console tell Polygon.
The information was provided to Polygon prior to last night's news of a Feb. 20 PlayStation Meeting in New York to "see the future." The Wall Street Journal is also reporting that sources have told them the console will come out this holiday, competing with the next Xbox.
Sources familiar with the Microsoft console tell Polygon that Microsoft, while already aware of Sony's launch timing, plans to hold its own announcement this spring, months after Sony's unveiling. A variety of form-factors for Microsoft's new console, we're told, are already being focus tested.
Both next generation consoles will focus on expanding their reach beyond core gaming to include more entertainment and social aspects, according to our sources. That could include, we're told, a subsidized version of the Xbox that serves as both a gaming platform and a cable box, though agreements with cable companies have yet to be finalized. Last year, The Verge reported that Microsoft was also working on a subsidized low-cost alternative to its next-gen console.
Privately, Sony representatives have conceded that the company made a mistake in creating such esoteric architecture for PS3, and its strategy for PS4 gives developers more opportunities this time around, notably because the hardware is much more PC-like in its makeup than PS3.
QuotePrivately, Sony representatives have conceded that the company made a mistake in creating such esoteric architecture for PS3, and its strategy for PS4 gives developers more opportunities this time around, notably because the hardware is much more PC-like in its makeup than PS3.
It's amazing to me that people didn't learn/remember this lesson during the Genesis/SNES days.
really hope this doesn't mean "a dual shock with a touchpad." I just want a new playstation controller that's not a minor evolution of what we used in the late 90s.
Share button is pretty smart, assuming the videos can be uploaded to youtube or saved as standard file formats. Some proprietary Sony social network like how Nintendo mucked up screenshots on the Wii U would limit its usefulness. And the touchpad could be great, though I mostly see it for navigation, and swipe gestures and gimmicky nonsense.
touch pad could be useful for some basic things, i doubt it would be overgimmicked as it's going to be pretty small
Psn down for a week? That shit was down for a month. I switched to xbuck permanently after that. Haven't looked back since.
Just happy that within about 2 months the new consoles will be officially outed. It's been a long time. :'(
Don't really care about that tech war that will follow. Both consoles will be a big jump on what we currently have and the last gen tech of the Wii U so I'm fine with where either land. Just want to know the little details and new bells and whistles that each will have and how their online interfaces will work.
The best controllers we've gotten have been minor evolutions. I wouldn't want them to change up a tried-and-true design. At best, it's a little more comfortable to hold. At worst, a bad controller design gets in the way of gameplay--whether its the shitty pre-DS3 Sixaxis (flimsy, constant de-sync, motion controls are a gimmick) or the wii controller (one big gimmick.)
I hope the traditional controller doesn't have any motion controls built in (just put ALL of that shit on the Move), but a touch screen could be neat for menu navigation and I imagine the OS will be built completely around it.
Do you think Sony will announce a price point on Feb 20th? Seems a bit premature, but it also seems odd to unveil a console and not announce the price.
$399 is the new $299
$399 is the new $299
This. Although between bundles and high end models there will be more expensive versions. But I think $399 on the low end is the most likely course.
goddammit I only have like 3 weeks left of relevancy for http://yearofps3.com
goddammit I only have like 3 weeks left of relevancy for http://yearofps3.com
just registered http://yearofps4.com/
troll redirect suggestions welcome
and yet, Europe will still be there, waiting by the door for Sony, holding its pipe and slippers for when Sony barges in late, reeking of cheap American whores
:bow USA :bow2
:piss Europe :piss2
As part of a playful experiment conducted in South Korea, a Coca-Cola vending machine coaxed people to copy the dance moves of the country’s popular boy band 2 PM, in order to score free soft drinks.http://www.coca-colacompany.com/stories/coca-cola-vending-machine-gets-people-to-bust-a-move
Thanks to Microsoft Kinect technology, the machine registers what the dancers do — and the more moves they copy correctly, the more Cokes the machine doles out.
goddammit I only have like 3 weeks left of relevancy for http://yearofps3.com
just registered http://yearofps4.com/
troll redirect suggestions welcome
Sony has MS on the run.
Mind games and playing it like a game of Chess.
Kaz is going for the kill! My guess is that Sony will unveil the PS4 this month but hold back stuff for later to ruin the MS party. MS unveiling later also runs the risk of being overlooked when Nintendo show off what they've got.
Looks like Sony has won this one!
Honestly, it's probably not gonna make much of a difference THIS LATE in the dev life cycle of the consoles, but isn't revealing first by a couple of months a bad idea in general?
Sony has MS on the run.
Mind games and playing it like a game of Chess.
Kaz is going for the kill! My guess is that Sony will unveil the PS4 this month but hold back stuff for later to ruin the MS party. MS unveiling later also runs the risk of being overlooked when Nintendo show off what they've got.
Looks like Sony has won this one!
Faster ram doesn't make up for more ram, dummiesConsidering the amount of RAM we are talking about here at an output of 1080P, bandwidth will almost certainly be the factor that separates the two solutions.
whenever memory limitation is a major factor in games, it's always due to amount not speed
PS4 will run at 1.61 jiggawats, solve world hunger, and power small nations.
Faster ram doesn't make up for more ram, dummiesConsidering the amount of RAM we are talking about here at an output of 1080P, bandwidth will almost certainly be the factor that separates the two solutions.
whenever memory limitation is a major factor in games, it's always due to amount not speed
(http://i.minus.com/i2PvliUHupOfS.gif)Faster ram doesn't make up for more ram, dummiesConsidering the amount of RAM we are talking about here at an output of 1080P, bandwidth will almost certainly be the factor that separates the two solutions.
whenever memory limitation is a major factor in games, it's always due to amount not speed
wut
PS4 will run at 1.61 jiggawats, solve world hunger, and power small nations.
PS4 will run at 1.61 jiggawats, solve world hunger, and power small nations.
Remember when the PS2 was so powerful that Saddam Hussein was going to use them to fire Iraqi missiles?
PS4 will run at 1.61 jiggawats, solve world hunger, and power small nations.
Remember when the PS2 was so powerful that Saddam Hussein was going to use them to fire Iraqi missiles?
http://www.wnd.com/2000/12/7640/
“Most Americans don’t realize that each PlayStation unit contains a CPU — every bit as powerful as the processor found in most desktop and laptop computers,” said one military intelligence officer who declined to be identified. “Beyond that, the graphics capabilities of a PlayStation are staggering — five times more powerful than that of a typical graphics workstation, and roughly 15 times more powerful than the graphics cards found in most PCs.”
i see some are adding Kaz's face in their avatars :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Plus Polygon running dem MS stories.
The next gen wars is on.
Gaf's becoming nigh unreadable now with the rampant sfags. They do not understand being more powerful than Durango is not going to be enough. You also need mindshare 360 has it, momentum 360 has it as well and that thing which makes Call of Duty and Skyrim synonymous with 360 even though the games are on PS3 and PCs as well. Nobody cares about Uncha or God of War in the US. Get those COD mappacks exclusivity and you have a chance against the next Xbox.
I for one hope Sony flat out ignores the 13 year olds and bro's of the US and cater more towards European and Japanese tastes. Honestly cant give a fuck about what is popular in the states, it's usually drek I dont want.i see some are adding Kaz's face in their avatars :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Plus Polygon running dem MS stories.
The next gen wars is on.
Gaf's becoming nigh unreadable now with the rampant sfags. They do not understand being more powerful than Durango is not going to be enough. You also need mindshare 360 has it, momentum 360 has it as well and that thing which makes Call of Duty and Skyrim synonymous with 360 even though the games are on PS3 and PCs as well. Nobody cares about Uncha or God of War in the US. Get those COD mappacks exclusivity and you have a chance against the next Xbox.
Nobody cares about God of War in the US.
Just so you can realize how much Sonyfaggotry is instilled in the middle east. The newspaper this morning had news about the PS4s unveiling with non other than fan mockups used as the official look. As this shit has been done since the PS2.
Gaf's becoming nigh unreadable now with the rampant sfags. They do not understand being more powerful than Durango is not going to be enough. You also need mindshare 360 has it, momentum 360 has it as well and that thing which makes Call of Duty and Skyrim synonymous with 360 even though the games are on PS3 and PCs as well. Nobody cares about Uncha or God of War in the US. Get those COD mappacks exclusivity and you have a chance against the next Xbox.
According to the VZBV, they are seeking to take this as far as the Supreme Court in order to protect and strengthen the consumer rights within the digital distribution medium on a few conditions 1.) They feel it's unfair that some products launch at full price but the consumer is unable to easily or conveniently refund or resell the product like any other consumer good on the market, such as a board game. 2.) The purposed technical hurdles put in place by digital distributors to prevent or prohibit the resale of digital software works against consumer interest for the long term and sustained growth of digital distribution (think 20 years from now where consumers will be tied by the balls by any and every major corporation who decides to jump into the digital game space with their own set of restrictions and purchasing conditions).
I think CoD has peaked. A lot of people think it's going to be as massive as it currently is next gen but I think it may end up like GTA, which was "THE" franchise in the PS2 days but lost relevance in the shift to PS3/360.
I think CoD has peaked. A lot of people think it's going to be as massive as it currently is next gen but I think it may end up like GTA, which was "THE" franchise in the PS2 days but lost relevance in the shift to PS3/360.
Andrex logic: gta sells 25 million units? Irrelevent franchise.
Bayonetta 2 600k coming to wii u? System seller.
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This is kind of a revelation to me, but it occurs to me that the reason gaming forums are so Sony fanboy heavy is because a lot of 360 exclusive gamers don't visit forums at all.
Lager, you're still missing the point in spite of having it spelled out for you.
Let me take one final stab at illuminating you before consigning you to the moron pile yet again. Sales don't always indicate relevance. Which would you say was more relevant to the industry at large this gen, Mario Kart Wii or Call of Duty? Your answer will surely fly in the face of sales totals. Getting it?
Lager, you're still missing the point in spite of having it spelled out for you.
Let me take one final stab at illuminating you before consigning you to the moron pile yet again. Sales don't always indicate relevance. Which would you say was more relevant to the industry at large this gen, Mario Kart Wii or Call of Duty? Your answer will surely fly in the face of sales totals. Getting it?
The fact that most people play COD for multiplayer should mean a brighter future for COD next gen than what happened with GTA this gen.
Are those GTA numbers including digital distribution? Rockstar practically gave away GTA4 and the Episodes to PC gamers the last two years.
LIVE Activity for week of January 7th,2013
1.Call of Duty: Black Ops II
2.Minecraft: Xbox 360 Edition
3.EA Sports FIFA Soccer 13
4.Halo 4
5.Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3
6.NBA 2K13
7.Skyrim
8.Call of Duty: Black Ops
9.Madden NFL 13
10.Battlefield 3
11.Assassin’s Creed III
12.Far Cry 3
13.Modern Warfare 2
14.GTA IV
15.Borderlands 2
16.Gears of War 3
17.Halo: Reach
18.Forza Motorsport 4
19.Forza Horizon
20.EA SPORTS NHL 13
Lager, you're still missing the point in spite of having it spelled out for you.
Let me take one final stab at illuminating you before consigning you to the moron pile yet again. Sales don't always indicate relevance. Which would you say was more relevant to the industry at large this gen, Mario Kart Wii or Call of Duty? Your answer will surely fly in the face of sales totals. Getting it?
I never said gta is more relevant in this regard then cod, but it wasnt last gen either. Its a one off wonder much like mario kart. Despite a slew of games in the same style there is only one king. It didnt change games then and it wont now. These free open world crime simulators are a genre that it created, cod changed how fps play.
This is a whole different ballgame. If anything the thing COD exemplifies is a shift to online mp, and it struck the right chords there with amazing mp (hence mw1 is one of my top games ever).
Gta didnt cause a shift in games then and it doesnt now, but it keeps selling the same, hence its relevance is pretty much the same as it was.
“They’ll be able to put a lot more characters on the screen and allow for hyperrealistic games,” Pachter said.:o
Sony’s new console will feature graphics chips developed by Advanced Micro Devices Inc. and processors capable of rendering games at 240 frames per second, Pachter said. Current-generation games typically render at 30 or 60 frames per second. As with past model changes, Sony will continue to produce and sell the almost 7-year-old PlayStation 3.
Maybe he is taking optimization (faerie dust+secret sauce) into consideration. I am very much aware that these new consoles will likely not be quite as powerful as a current mid-range PC, but I'm just saying this statement isn't as crazy as people are making it to be.:rofl
Yes, in fact, I said that the new processors would be "capable" of rendering at 240 frames per second. I didn't say "FPS", know what a frame is, and know that most movies are shot in 24 frames per second.
It is unlikely that anything will be made in higher resolution than 2 megapixel or run at faster than 60 frames per second, which is pretty realistic, but the new consoles are being built to last past the end of the 1080p display cycle. If we go to 4K display, which I believe is 8 megapixel, they may not have to run faster than 60 frames per second (and the size of game files clearly becomes an issue, regardless), but I believe that the processors can handle rendering faster than 60 frames per second.
You're free to disagree with me, perhaps we'll find out in a few weeks when Sony announces a new console. Although I agree that the viewing experience will not be materially improved at 240 frames per second, I'm pretty sure what I said is right, and that the new consoles will be capable of rendering at that speed.
For what it's worth, I don't think anyone wants to play a game with 5000 independently controlled characters on screen, but I'm pretty sure the new processors will allow some number like that as well. It wouldn't make sense to build that into the game, but I was asked what the difference in processing power would be, and I replied "probably around four times as fast in terms of data as the current generation consoles." When the follow up was "what does 'four times as fast' mean?'", I replied with the faster frame rate or greater number of characters quote.
I'm still amazed that so many GAF members have to be assholes when commenting on things I say.
Just so you can realize how much Sonyfaggotry is instilled in the middle east. The newspaper this morning had news about the PS4s unveiling with non other than fan mockups used as the official look. As this shit has been done since the PS2.
I wouldn't be surprised if this is from the PS1 days when games were relatively easy to pirate (compared to carts). I remember visiting stores dedicated to pirated games and mod chip sales.
Ummm yeah I talked about this earlier. I was just proving how obviously sony country Saudi is. Have you ever been?
I wonder what MS(Activision) has in store for next gen COD,they always had some exclusive shit for 360.
I think CoD has peaked. A lot of people think it's going to be as massive as it currently is next gen but I think it may end up like GTA, which was "THE" franchise in the PS2 days but lost relevance in the shift to PS3/360.
My point wasn't that GTA bombed this gen, but that it was dethroned by CoD. Of course GTA sells massive numbers, as CoD will continue to. But I think there will be another "THE" game next gen that take's CoD's place.
During the PS2 era it was "GTA" this, "GTA" that. Whole sandbox franchises were born out of GTA's wake. That stopped happening this gen, as FPS's are the genre du jour. Coincidentally, the genre CoD is in.
My point wasn't that GTA bombed this gen, but that it was dethroned by CoD. Of course GTA sells massive numbers, as CoD will continue to. But I think there will be another "THE" game next gen that take's CoD's place.
During the PS2 era it was "GTA" this, "GTA" that. Whole sandbox franchises were born out of GTA's wake. That stopped happening this gen, as FPS's are the genre du jour. Coincidentally, the genre CoD is in.
Don't expect whatever the "it" game of this gen to help the weeeeeooooo.
My point wasn't that GTA bombed this gen, but that it was dethroned by CoD. Of course GTA sells massive numbers, as CoD will continue to. But I think there will be another "THE" game next gen that take's CoD's place.
During the PS2 era it was "GTA" this, "GTA" that. Whole sandbox franchises were born out of GTA's wake. That stopped happening this gen, as FPS's are the genre du jour. Coincidentally, the genre CoD is in.
Don't expect whatever the "it" game of this gen to help the weeeeeooooo.
My point wasn't that GTA bombed this gen, but that it was dethroned by CoD. Of course GTA sells massive numbers, as CoD will continue to. But I think there will be another "THE" game next gen that take's CoD's place.
During the PS2 era it was "GTA" this, "GTA" that. Whole sandbox franchises were born out of GTA's wake. That stopped happening this gen, as FPS's are the genre du jour. Coincidentally, the genre CoD is in.
Don't expect whatever the "it" game of this gen to help the weeeeeooooo.
It's getting pretty tiring how everyone puts my posts through some bullshit nintard filter and don't bother to actually read or understand the posts on their own.
My point wasn't that GTA bombed this gen, but that it was dethroned by CoD. Of course GTA sells massive numbers, as CoD will continue to. But I think there will be another "THE" game next gen that take's CoD's place.
During the PS2 era it was "GTA" this, "GTA" that. Whole sandbox franchises were born out of GTA's wake. That stopped happening this gen, as FPS's are the genre du jour. Coincidentally, the genre CoD is in.
Don't expect whatever the "it" game of this gen to help the weeeeeooooo.
The Weeoo doesnt need and "it" game, it just needs a new mario kart. The last one one the wii sold 34 million.spoiler (click to show/hide)It was shit too[close]
My point wasn't that GTA bombed this gen, but that it was dethroned by CoD. Of course GTA sells massive numbers, as CoD will continue to. But I think there will be another "THE" game next gen that take's CoD's place.
During the PS2 era it was "GTA" this, "GTA" that. Whole sandbox franchises were born out of GTA's wake. That stopped happening this gen, as FPS's are the genre du jour. Coincidentally, the genre CoD is in.
Don't expect whatever the "it" game of this gen to help the weeeeeooooo.
It's getting pretty tiring how everyone puts my posts through some bullshit nintard filter and don't bother to actually read or understand the posts on their own.
When you earn the benefit of the doubt, you'll get it. You've basically stated that while there may be games that you're apt to enjoy on other systems, you'll never know because of fealty to some fucking uncaring company. You reap what you sow.
Andrex did make that thread about playing PC games on Linux which had nothing to do with Nintendo.
Maybe he just likes to play the worst version of every game? Nintendo almost always delivers in that regard.
Kinda weird but one man's cup of tea...
Everyone's got their reputations to bear, Andrex. You certainly have a reputation as a Nintendo fanboy, along with Google and what-have-you. It's not unwarranted, and you've even admitted to playing it up to an extent. So, I'll say to you what I've said to many others: You can behave like a joke character and then turn around and get upset when people treat you like a joke character.
That said, I can see your frustration. That comment you made, as I said, was correct and for the most part a non-controversial statement for anyone who pays attention to that stuff. It also had literally not one thing to do with Nintendo. So the fact that you got shitty non-sequitar/ defensive replies from people who (with the exception of Lager, who I'm starting to think is a high-functioning distinguished mentally-challenged fellow with a giant penis) have enough of a brain to parse what you said is probably very annoying and made you feel like there's no point to joining the conversation here.
As Drinky kind of got at, though, it's to be expected and you're going to have to roll with it. Everyone is a fanboy of something, and if you happen to step on their chosen's toes, you're going to get flak. And then, sometimes, you just say something wrong/dumb. As people are generally too busy or just have proper priorities, you can't expect them to come up with much other than a sling at your most well-known foibles. For Drinky, that's vociferous laudations, for diunx, it's a weird obsession with Metal Gear, for himuro, it's flakiness, for me, it's Donkey Kong and SEGA, and for you, yes, it is unwavering nintardism.
I suggest you learn how to ignore or punch back.
edit: forgot to mention lager's penis
On The Bore, sometimes you got to roll with the punches and develop thicker skin.
On The Bore, sometimes you got to roll with the punches and develop thicker skin.
It's less that the comments are particularly hurtful or clever, but more of a problem with the level of discourse.
Drinky accused me when I left for a bit last June that I don't take this place seriously enough. Now I'm trying to partake in a discussion and I'll likely be told I take this place too seriously.
I get shit on for being an unapologetic zeldafag and my past history with Sonic games. It is what it is man. You play up the nintard character a lot and you even go out of your way to battle em. So don't be surprised if a thinly veiled insult about you being a nintard is thrown at you for something that has nothing to do with it.
the internet never forgets :'(
On The Bore, sometimes you got to roll with the punches and develop thicker skin.
It's less that the comments are particularly hurtful or clever, but more of a problem with the level of discourse.
You can avoid all of this by having a very vanilla, forgettable personality.
the internet never forgets :'(
your whole career in IT has been an attempt to answer the question 'How do you delete stuff off the Internet?!' hasn't it
That was before harem anime, wasn't it?
If so, it isn't that bad then.
For years I've been derided for my PC-faggotry but that never stopped me from buying more dumb PC shit that I don't really need
the internet never forgets :'(
honestly thats sadder than all of andrex's posts combined
years 1994-1995 when i was a total animu feg could disappear and i'd be quite contented
that must be a hypothetical, cuz you and i both know that wallet's never seen more than the cost of a value meal
that must be a hypothetical, cuz you and i both know that wallet's never seen more than the cost of a value meal
In whatever 3rd world hell hole diunx lives in, isn't that the first world equivalent of a year's salary though?
(with the exception of Lager, who I'm starting to think is a high-functioning distinguished mentally-challenged fellow with a giant penis) have enough of a brain to parse what you said is probably very annoying and made you feel like there's no point to joining the conversation here.
edit: forgot to mention lager's penis
The geometry is too detailed to be a PS2 game, but yes, it certainly doesn't look very impressive in those shots. The PS3 is really starting to show its age.
http://i.imgur.com/XGRrpqQ.gif (http://i.imgur.com/XGRrpqQ.gif)
:rofl
Yup, nothing is funnier when the joke is on the joker :lol
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:rofl
Stuff like this has the potential to triple in humour if the opposite happens over the next few months!
DCHarlie's WiiU edit:
Late last week we discovered a gaming message board called Neogaf where they were crowd-sourcing funds to buy die photos of the multi-chip CPU/GPU package in the Nintendo Wii U. They had raised enough to purchase top metal die photos of the CPU, the GPU and the tiny NOR memory chip.
To a manufacturer of said chips, these types of top metal die images are useful, but for the purposes of analyzing the specifications, you need to go a little lower and look at the polysilicon layer. Rather than have the community continue to raise money, we thought we would step-in and help out. Since (at the time of publication for this blog) we are only 1 day away from the release of Dead Space 3, we thought that the gaming community might be able to put their funds to better use.
I think you're right
DCHarlie's WiiU edit:
I may very well be mistaken, but didn't BlueTsunami do that edit?
DCHarlie's WiiU edit:
I may very well be mistaken, but didn't BlueTsunami do that edit?
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:rofl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6jIK_cHF5c
long ass gen :violin
This is a pretty "interesting" chip.
I feel kind of bad for the gaf posters that care more about hardware and specs than enjoying games.
I'm still holding to my uneducated opinion that they'll both look roughly the same after all is said and done.
I already analized it: poocrap.
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:rofl
I feel kind of bad for the gaf posters that care more about hardware and specs than enjoying games.
There’s been a ton of info thrown around about Sony and Microsoft’s next gen consoles. Nothing is concrete and it’s all speculation. We won’t know anything official until Sony’s event on February 20th and Microsoft’s inevitable unveiling at E3. I received some inside info last week and took the time to do some more digging. This info I’m about to give you could change at any time so take it with a grain of salt until February 20th.
Everyone should know by now that the elite team of Bizarre developers was split up after being closed by Activision. Ged Talbot, beastly lead designer of Blur and several PGR games, along with a few other ex-Bizarre members have been scooped up by Evolution Studios. If you’ve put 2 and 2 together you can guess that Ged is now a member of the same team that brought you the Motorstrom series. Wait, it gets deeper. Several members of Studio Liverpool have also joined the team and they are working on a new next gen racer for Sony’s Playstation 4. The game is supposed to be similar in style to PGR. They wanted to make it part of the Gran Turismo series a la Forza Horizon, but Japan nipped that in the bud. Evolution Studios is now composed of some of the best racing developers in the industry with Ged Talbot at the helm. If you played any of their games, especially Blur, you know these guys put in work. Internally they are calling it Europe’s biggest racing game in a decade.
The next exciting bit I found out about this new mystery racing game is that it will be shown on February 20th at Sony’s Playstation event, along with another next gen shocker from Guerrilla Games.
So what’s going on in Microsoft’s camp? Apparently, ex-Bizarre and Criterion developers are working on a next generation PGR5 game for the next Xbox. As you already may know, the ex-Bizarre developers formed Lucid games and are located in Liverpool. They are taking the existing PGR code base and upgrading it for the next generation Xbox.
Here’s where it gets even more interesting. My source tells me that both Sony and Microsoft are aiming to have these exclusive racing games ready for launch. We will have more information posted tonight, so stay frosty!
These rumors are accurate, to my knowledge.
please more PGR please
that's nice, i'm talking about sales. racing games are in the toilet and blur/the last pgr/motorstorm/wipeout all sold like crap so i can't imagine these are going to do any better.
don't get me wrong, it's nice for fans, it's just weird that either company would make them a centerpiece or major part of their new system's launch.
that's nice, i'm talking about sales. racing games are in the toilet and blur/the last pgr/motorstorm/wipeout all sold like crap so i can't imagine these are going to do any better.
don't get me wrong, it's nice for fans, it's just weird that either company would make them a centerpiece or major part of their new system's launch.
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Drinky, blink once if the always online no used games Xbox is true
Microsoft’s next console will require an Internet connection in order to function, ruling out a second-hand game market for the platform. A new iteration of Xbox Live will be an integral part of Microsoft’s next console, while improved Kinect hardware will also ship alongside the unit.
Sources with first-hand experience of Microsoft’s next generation console have told us that although the next Xbox will be absolutely committed to online functionality, games will still be made available to purchase in physical form. Next Xbox games will be manufactured on 50GB-capacity Blu-ray discs, Microsoft having conceded defeat to Sony following its ill-fated backing of the HD-DVD format. It is believed that games purchased on disc will ship with activation codes, and will have no value beyond the initial user.
Our source has also confirmed that the next Xbox’s recently rumoured specs are entirely accurate. That means an AMD eight-core x64 1.6GHz CPU, a D3D11.x 800MHz graphics solution and 8GB of DDR3 RAM. As of now, the console’s hard drive capacity is said to be undecided, but Microsoft’s extended commitment to online delivery suggests that it will be the largest unit it has put inside a console to date.
Though the architectures of the next-gen Xbox and PlayStation both resemble that of PCs, several development sources have told us that Sony’s solution is preferable when it comes to leveraging power. Studios working with the next-gen Xbox are currently being forced to work with only approved development libraries, while Sony is encouraging coders to get closer to the metal of its box. Furthermore, the operating system overhead of Microsoft’s next console is more oppressive than Sony’s equivalent, giving the PlayStation-badged unit another advantage.
Unlike Nintendo, Microsoft is continuing to invest heavily in motion-control interfaces, and a new, more reliably responsive Kinect will also ship alongside the next Xbox. Sony’s next-generation console camera system is said to have a similar set of features, and is expected to be discussed at the company’s PlayStation event on February 20.
You can read more about how Sony’s next generation console compares in last week’s story, PlayStation 4 revealed.
I doubt any of the various rumored anti-used systems will completely lock you out of a retail game, but I can totally see a scenario where a retail game turns into a glorified demo without the unlock code. "Glad you're enjoying the game so far, if you'd like to continue that'll be $20."
I doubt any of the various rumored anti-used systems will completely lock you out of a retail game, but I can totally see a scenario where a retail game turns into a glorified demo without the unlock code. "Glad you're enjoying the game so far, if you'd like to continue that'll be $20."
I agree. So some tard who buys a used sticker raped game at Gamestop for $57 will then have to pay a total of $77 to get the playability of a $60 game had they bought it new.
Even better will be the shady shit where Gamestop employees plays a game and after playing it, sells it as new. So some unsuspecting customer who buys a $60 game thinking its new will have some screen prompting them to pay $20 for an unlock code.
Thats a pass for me on next gen, although Wii U could be a fun alternative then. Ill wait for Steam sales and ios games prob if this shit comes true.
Yeah if consoles will be onlin only with no second hand games then Ill stick too PC/Steam sales too. ill just upgrade my laptop in a year or so and I'm good to go.
I don't game THAT much anyway to pay 60 bucks for every game.
Yeah if consoles will be onlin only with no second hand games then Ill stick too PC/Steam sales too. ill just upgrade my laptop in a year or so and I'm good to go.
I don't game THAT much anyway to pay 60 bucks for every game.
The problem is that this industry needs to sell millions full $60 price games to function.
Take-Two
(http://www.abload.de/img/capturegvkrb.png)
PC and other only make 18%(2012) and Steam is only slightly higher than the rest of DD stuff.So unless console peasants suddenly start buying $60 digital games...Son, you're on your own
Games will never die, but they migth die if youre only interested in Uncharted budget type of stuff.
(http://i.minus.com/iBUYoqqksyXYm.gif)
:lol
Gamestop drops Microsoft and Sony.
Nintendo inherits the industry.
youve never seen that show? maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan
go get it
Thats a pass for me on next gen, although Wii U could be a fun alternative then. Ill wait for Steam sales and ios games prob if this shit comes true.
Thats a pass for me on next gen, although Wii U could be a fun alternative then. Ill wait for Steam sales and ios games prob if this shit comes true.
But you can't re-sell Steam and iOS games, so what difference does it make? It's the same thing.
Not empty, just how I like to spend my money and what I think games are worth to me :)
I could still end up buying a console, I would just play less games then I guess. Just stick to a Fifa and some other staples 1/2 games a year.
Well, this sucks. I'm a pretty GameFly user so this would cut into my game playing and eventual buying, unless Microsoft and I guess Sony, actually had sales frequently and games dropped price at a good clip.And I'm a pretty motherfucker.
Thats a pass for me on next gen, although Wii U could be a fun alternative then. Ill wait for Steam sales and ios games prob if this shit comes true.
But you can't re-sell Steam and iOS games, so what difference does it make? It's the same thing.
I don't mean to sound callus, but this isn't going to stop me from buying a new system. I'll just be more selective in buying games. Or just play the free games offered by plus.
UNLESS THE CRUNCHEONS HURRY UP AND TEACH ME HOW TO BUILD A PC
Well, none of this is certain, but the rumors have been too persistent for there not to be anything to them. It's just a matter of what kind of system gets put into place. I'll just go ahead and say that if I have to start being super-selective about games I won't be buying any console. Not worth investing $400 in something I'm only going to buy 3-4 $60 games for over the course of its lifespan. I mean, it's fine if they want to do this, I'm just not going to buy into it. I already have a crazy Steam library to work through.
Well, none of this is certain, but the rumors have been too persistent for there not to be anything to them.
If our sources are correct (and we’re confident they are).
Now I feel distinguished mentally-challenged as Doug mentions how to build a pc on the episode I'm listening to
Now I feel distinguished mentally-challenged as Doug mentions how to build a pc on the episode I'm listening to
The actual act of building a PC is pretty easy. The hardest part as a novice is picking the parts. And in that regard, the usual process is that you put together a list of components, which is typically the following:
1.) Case
2.) Power Supply
3.) CPU
4.) Motherboard
5.) GPU
6.) Hard Drive
7.) Optical Drive
8.) RAM
Other optional things you may need to consider depending on what you already have include a monitor and an operating system. But assembling all of this crap took considerably less time than deciding on what to buy. And the process is usually just that you put together a shopping cart of an order you're about to pull the trigger on, and the tech people tell you where you've gone wrong ("you're CPU is crap compared to your GPU," or "The Power Supply is over/under powered for your graphics card.") People here or on GAF can probably help you narrow down your selection of parts.
They know you will eventually crumble when you see all your friends with the machine talking about the games he is playing online. Peer pressure is a bitch.
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I've made this point for years now, but console manufacturers aren't about being the biggest anymore .. they are about getting a dedicated audience and exploiting the hell out of them.
Don't have an internet connection? Can't afford to own games you can't resell? Too bad, they don't really want your business. They weren't making a lot of money off you anyways. You're not a 'whale' who buys everything Day 1 and buys all the accessories. You're the guy who buys things used or waits for deep discounts.
They know you will eventually crumble when you see all your friends with the machine talking about the games he is playing online. Peer pressure is a bitch.
That being said, this could all just be a trial balloon that MS will learn from and not go through with it anyways. I find it interesting that Edge breaks the story and not Polygon ...
If this is true, there are two things certain to happen
1) I will relentlessly mock anyone who tries to defend anything related to the new xbox or MS in general. You thought I was bad about Nintendo? Sheeeeeeit.
2) Van Cruncheon will have to spend a week in the Shame Circle.
I'll be buying both the PS4 and Durango for sure. Not going to stand in any lines though.
wow, there is a lot of tough embargo talk from dudes that will crumble like little bitches before the luscious gfx, tasty exclusives and comfy couches of next gen...how many of you held off even a year on 360/PS3?
I'll be surprised if this shit isn't all FUD and conjecture
real talk: i've never heard anyone who wasn't either a distinguished mentally-challenged fanboy or paid shill use the word "FUD"The only people I've come across online that uses this word seriously are people who defended Microsoft operating systems (Vista and 8 in particular).
Another PlayStation 4 report is in from Nikkei.
According to the Japanese outlet, the network function of PlayStation 4 will be expanded, including a new social feature where you can exchange opinions among your friends while playing games.
The system is said to utilize Gaikai cloud technology, which Sony purchased for $380 million in the summer of last year.
Echoing previous reports, the outlet claims the Sony developed “Cell” chip loaded onto the PlayStation 3 will not be included in PlayStation 4, and that it’ll arrive by the holidays.
PlayStation 4 is expected to be revealed during PlayStation Meeting 2013 in New York City on February 20. Its controller will supposedly have a touch pad.
it only cost anywhere from $200-300 more than the non-BC/non-SACD one
also nobody cares about sacd, nobody ever did, nobody ever will
wait - wasn't the early PS3 the one with full B/C ?Cost way too much money and it broke on me
and SACD support?
I mean - surely that is one case where the first unit wasn't -that- bad a deal?
wow, there is a lot of tough embargo talk from dudes that will crumble like little bitches before the luscious gfx, tasty exclusives and comfy couches of next gen...how many of you held off even a year on 360/PS3?
Ima hold off on next gen for a little while, all this makes me very uncomfortable
Ima hold off on next gen for a little while, all this makes me very uncomfortable
suuuuuuuuure you'll hold off. Well, ok, you might not buy one for home but only because you get to play them for free at work
Ima hold off on next gen for a little while, all this makes me very uncomfortable
suuuuuuuuure you'll hold off. Well, ok, you might not buy one for home but only because you get to play them for free at work
I just hope Orbis/Durango get more love than the Weeoo at work, it's not even hooked up anymore
Seriously, why is Sony facing the legit possibility of bankruptcy when they already have the tech to take over the world?
real talk: i've never heard anyone who wasn't either a distinguished mentally-challenged fanboy or paid shill use the word "FUD"
wow, there is a lot of tough embargo talk from dudes that will crumble like little bitches before the luscious gfx, tasty exclusives and comfy couches of next gen...how many of you held off even a year on 360/PS3?
and the rumor of no cell in the ps4 is worrying.
Mine is always online but it's the principal blablablah
I do get frequent disconnects too.
Xbox 720 = no used games, BC
PS4 = used games, no BC
Tough choice or is it?
My Xbox is always online no matter what.Reason is pretty simple,it automatically connects to my router and it's too much hassle to constantly manually disconnect/reconnect.
Microsoft will greatly improve its speech recognition technology inside the next Xbox, The Verge has learned. Sources familiar with Microsoft's Xbox plans have revealed that Durango, the codename for the next Xbox, will support wake on voice, natural language controls, and speech-to-text. The improved capabilities mean that Xbox users will be able to walk into a room and simply say "Xbox on" to wake up the new Xbox.
We understand that Microsoft is also investigating scenarios where a Kinect sensor will detect individuals in a room and suggest appropriate multiplayer games after a user queries the Xbox using voice. The support will include natural language detection, similar to Apple's Siri service, that will let users ask things like "what are my friends playing" to receive a friends list. Xbox will also reply back to users with answers to queries, making it an improved search service too. The current Xbox 360 console lacks natural interaction and context, we're told that's a big focus of the new speech recognition in the new Xbox.
Users will also be able to automatically resume video content where it left off simply by asking the new Xbox to play a particular movie. With speech-to-text built-in, it's likely that Microsoft will utilize this support to type out messages using the new Xbox. It's widely expected that Skype will make its Xbox debut on the new console. Microsoft will fully detail its new Xbox at E3 this year, with suggestions from sources that the company may hold a separate event to unveil its new hardware ahead of E3. The new Xbox is expected to be released later this year.
I am the biggest MS cocksucker here and I ain't supporting online only bullshit. Gonna bail out total if it happens.
Is anyone else skeptical to believe the ms no used games thing because it sounds more like something Sony would do? :lol
Is anyone else skeptical to believe the ms no used games thing because it sounds more like something Sony would do? :lol
Sony has already been testing this with PS3 games. The PS3 version of PS All Stars has the activation for the PS Vita version on the disc itself. Once it's activated on one PSN account, it can't be used on another.
Whenever they decide to push 100% digital, they'll slowly dry up physical releases by making them less frequent and more expensive.
Would be cool if this spurred the opening of tons of retro game stores...but it'll probably just bump up online prices for retro games.
ffffffffffffffffffffgI am the biggest MS cocksucker here and I ain't supporting online only bullshit. Gonna bail out total if it happens.
Bookmarked for future lols.
ONE of the major problems with this is their fucking console stability/reliability. Can you imagine having to redl your licenses for both physical discs and xbla/psn everytime you have sent a console out for repair or upgraded to the new suppsedly more stable slimmer model? I've not had to send my fucking laptop out to be repaired but My 360 needed fixing at least twice in a much shorter timespan. So there's that and the fact that no fucking way will their deals be half as good as what Steam has to offer. God, too many words about stupid bullshit :dur
IDGAF. I'll be in line at midnight launch for the PS4 and 720. Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Ouya will make itself eternal and possibly relevant by releasing one $99 model a year:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/07/ouya-annual/
This at least takes my perception of the system above "will end up a quick humorous footnote in gaming history."
It's cool if they lower prices for new games
Mine is always online but it's the principal blablablah
I do get frequent disconnects too.
It's cool if they lower prices for new games
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
I would fully support a dd future (actually, I support it in the present with steam) but not if they're gonna try and keep raping people with $60 prices, which YOU KNOW they are.
Pretty much everyone involved has their head either in the sand or up their asses... consumers are oblivious to what the future is gonna look like, and the suits are in denial about what they're going to be able to get away with.
I don't like an always online console, after having dealt with D3 shittery. No thanks. Plus, there's all sorts of BS router issues, etc. I would trust MS to do this more than Sony since they have a lot of experience utilizing Live, but I still wouldn't like it.
Ultimately, the next (last) gen is going to be all about people coming to the realization that there's no fucking reason to own consoles if the future is going to be dd (which I can assure you, it is). You idiots have fun owning the final nails in the console coffin, I'll be chilling over here enjoying real gaming for a shit ton cheaper and easier on mah pc.
i remember back in the ps2 and psx days when games were 50 bucks unless it was a cheaper game where they'd sell it for 40. I remember getting lots of rpgs at that 40 dollar price point.
It's a bargain relative to upgrading a PC. I don't have a particular problem with $60 games. I may spend the same amount of money on 6 Steam games but it's not as if it magically gives me 6x as much free time to play them. I'm lucky if I can play one game a month.
Seriously though - add up everything you SPENT, not everything you think you SAVED (purely notional o/c). Then look at how many you played to a satisfying degree, as you might have done if it was the only game you bought that month and spent $60 on it.
I mean, I like buying games, i like having the option to play them...but overspending on shit you will never play is endemic to Steam, there is no denying it. Everyone, rich or poor, does it and regrets it. If I buy a console with DD built-in, i have exactly the same massive digital library of games available to me at all times. But I'm much less likely to buy shit I won't play.
You can certainly argue that Steam is still the better option but don't get all shouty about it please, because it is a nebulous advantage at best
overspending on shit you will never play is endemic to Steam, there is no denying it. Everyone, rich or poor, does it and regrets it.
sometimes I feel left out cuz my steam account only has three games. a doom collection, vvvvvv, and ys origin.
Can I also point out that this always-online bullshit is not unique to MSFT? (assuming rumors are true). I have a boxed copy of DmC for PC right here that I can't play because it requires Steam to activate, and the game hasn't been released in Japan yet.
Eel, I feel your pain. But it makes no sense for them to subsidize (numbers pulled from ass, obviously...) a $800 collection of parts (and design and R&D and market costs) to sell it to you for $400 if you won't be contributing $400-plus back into the ecosystem. The whole thing is unsustainable without people who are prepared to buy at least some new games. This is not your problem, but yeah, I can see why you might not be in the market next-gen.
sometimes I feel left out cuz my steam account only has three games. a doom collection, vvvvvv, and ys origin.
that's three more than the rest of japan.
Can I also point out that this always-online bullshit is not unique to MSFT? (assuming rumors are true). I have a boxed copy of DmC for PC right here that I can't play because it requires Steam to activate, and the game hasn't been released in Japan yet.
Eel, I feel your pain. But it makes no sense for them to subsidize (numbers pulled from ass, obviously...) a $800 collection of parts (and design and R&D and market costs) to sell it to you for $400 if you won't be contributing $400-plus back into the ecosystem. The whole thing is unsustainable without people who are prepared to buy at least some new games. This is not your problem, but yeah, I can see why you might not be in the market next-gen.
EXACTLY MY LARGER POINT
Please, please, please stop trying to be hardware providers and just focus on content and delivery. For the love of fuck.
yeah, not to get TOO holier-than-thou but i am dedicated to work and family and shit not fucking video games
sometimes I feel left out cuz my steam account only has three games. a doom collection, vvvvvv, and ys origin.
I guess I am reacting to a lot of the 'PC is my next-gen console' stuff i'm hearing from people who have bought into every gen of consoles. There are plenty of reasons why I think they will end up buying a next-gen console
- Ports are FAR from a given. PC got fuck all of interest early in the 360 gen. We got like Gears of War which got pirated so bad Epic pulled out of the PC market. It has gotten better recently, sure, but that's probably just because most PCs can run ports without a ton of extra work on optimization
- People haven't spent a bunch of money on console hardware for a while, so they may have some cash burning to upgrade their PC. Great, but what happens 2-4 years in when their PCs are not enough to handle console ports? Faced with a choice of upgrading the PC again, or buying a console, I think a lot of people will find the console the most attractive option (I went like 5 years without a PC upgrade over the last gen and I think of myself as a PC gamer from way back)
- Consoles are relatively cheap to buy into after a year or two, with Xmas bundles. You'll get a couple of nice games, an extra controller or whatever and stable h/w for $300 most likely. Vs up to $2,000 on a new PC (yes i know you can do it for less. I spent MORE here in Japan though)
- If you have bought into a Live Friends list and Achievements or trophies you are naturally going to be tempted to continue with that. Familiarity and inertia are very powerful
- COMFY COUCH (yes i use Big Picture, 360 controller etc. Many don't)
Not everyone I'm talking about has responded, or even posted in this thread. It's a common sentiment. People who've been through a number of gens know the score of course but I think people who are just jumping into PC gaming now are going to be pretty disappointed. There is a point in every console gen where PC gaming looks more attractive. Inevitably, that point passes. Maybe i'll be wrong and those people will still be happily gaming away on the PCs they bought in 2012 by the end of the next gen in 2020. I reallllllly doubt it though. In a couple of years, the pendulum will be back towards consoles. Sure, you can ignore that whole scene, more power to you. But I bet a lot of people won't, and will end up spending more than they planned because they 1) splurged on a gaming PC AND 2) bought into next-gen consoles.
Van Cruncheon, Treesong, Sho Nuff - I'm looking at you here. Next-gen will break you like mahfuckin BANE
Not everyone I'm talking about has responded, or even posted in this thread. It's a common sentiment. People who've been through a number of gens know the score of course but I think people who are just jumping into PC gaming now are going to be pretty disappointed. There is a point in every console gen where PC gaming looks more attractive. Inevitably, that point passes. Maybe i'll be wrong and those people will still be happily gaming away on the PCs they bought in 2012 by the end of the next gen in 2020. I reallllllly doubt it though. In a couple of years, the pendulum will be back towards consoles. Sure, you can ignore that whole scene, more power to you. But I bet a lot of people won't, and will end up spending more than they planned because they 1) splurged on a gaming PC AND 2) bought into next-gen consoles.
Van Cruncheon, Treesong, Sho Nuff - I'm looking at you here. Next-gen will break you like mahfuckin BANE
sometimes I feel left out cuz my steam account only has three games. a doom collection, vvvvvv, and ys origin.Is your steam id the same as your PSN? I usually give out gifts to my friendlist during sales.
Guys, learn from previous figgit "will not cave" manstance. How long did that last? 1 day was it - and even that was only because i had norovirus and leaving the house would have meant i shit my pants by the time i got to the corner of the street.
And that was a 24 stance against the fucking WiiU. Against the PS4 and X720? NOOooooooo fucking chance.
Also - yes, i know, High end PCs will likely outclass the machines at launch and then humble them with in 8 months. But so what? Doesn't change the fact that the consoles are going to be (relatively) cheap as chips and you -know- there's going to be shit on the MS/Sony machines that you won't see either AT ALL or IN A LONG TIME on the PC.
Stop being figgit liars to yourselves. You'll be there. Maybe not EToilet who managed to like gaming and not buy the one hot joint machine of 2006-2013. smfh
Ill take no BC over no used games.Whenever they decide to push 100% digital, they'll slowly dry up physical releases by making them less frequent and more expensive.
Would be cool if this spurred the opening of tons of retro game stores...but it'll probably just bump up online prices for retro games.
Yeah that won't happen. I wouldn't want to open a store who's target demographic are shutin spergs that will complain that they found this game online cheaper and never buy in your store but only come and browse.
So you wouldn't open a store then. It's cute you think price-bitchers are limited to spergy gamers.
Guys, learn from previous figgit "will not cave" manstance. How long did that last? 1 day was it - and even that was only because i had norovirus and leaving the house would have meant i shit my pants by the time i got to the corner of the street.
And that was a 24 stance against the fucking WiiU. Against the PS4 and X720? NOOooooooo fucking chance.
Also - yes, i know, High end PCs will likely outclass the machines at launch and then humble them with in 8 months. But so what? Doesn't change the fact that the consoles are going to be (relatively) cheap as chips and you -know- there's going to be shit on the MS/Sony machines that you won't see either AT ALL or IN A LONG TIME on the PC.
Stop being figgit liars to yourselves. You'll be there. Maybe not EToilet who managed to like gaming and not buy the one hot joint machine of 2006-2013. smfh
they outclass them since last year and will laugh in their face in 8 months.
Raban - I'm the dude who just wrote this - http://cormacaroni.tumblr.com/post/42431431876/on-antichamber-pc-game-available-on-steam-15-by
So yeah, I get the attractions of experimental PC gaming. But I also think the best of this stuff will get to XBLA or PSN eventually, and there will be similar stuff exclusive to those platforms so it's a bit of a wash
dedication to games :lol
Just like the last rhetorical question I asked (Who waited for longer than a couple of years to buy a current gen console?), I'll get one or two people standing up and saying YES LOOK AT ME YOU'RE WRONG and a whole lot of silence from everybody else who knows the troof:
Steam - awesome shopping fun, awesome for gaming...not necessarily better value than anything else because it induces crazy overspending
You have overspent if you have paid for any games that you haven't actually played. Want me to find out your user name and go through your library?
they outclass them since last year and will laugh in their face in 8 months.
sometimes I feel left out cuz my steam account only has three games. a doom collection, vvvvvv, and ys origin.
that's three more than the rest of japan.
i'm at uhh, 321 as of this morning
it is more likely that i never actually dieAND WE'RE IMMORTAL? HOLY SHIT, THIS IS AWESOME.
Quotethey outclass them since last year and will laugh in their face in 8 months.
Naaa - i think if we talk about the super rigs - yes. But the results out of the consoles will do fine. There's other bumps that the non-PC machines will get that'll result in it being at least up there for a time.
say secret sauce and i'll personally burn down an A&W factory.
consoles always open pretty weak out the gate, even when the 360 was packing a bleeding edge video card equivalent games like CoD2 were pretty comparable to the PC version, combine this with the idea that PC ports will barely even need to be ports given the x86 architecture of next gen consoles and you're looking at a lifecycle where they'll already be irrelevant to dandruff harvesting tech fiends by the time they find their footing.
to everyone else they'll just be the easiest way of plugging netflix in to your TV and livestreaming your nutsack to your estranged father in 1080p.
Ultimately, the next (last) gen is going to be all about people coming to the realization that there's no fucking reason to own consoles if the future is going to be dd (which I can assure you, it is). You idiots have fun owning the final nails in the console coffin, I'll be chilling over here enjoying real gaming for a shit ton cheaper and easier on mah pc.
my plan for the next gen of gaming looks like this:
- play 3ds in rare moments of actual free time
- play iphone games the rest of the time
- buy whatever console my kid points at at christmas time
- play some fucking mario with him because he's gonna point at the nintendo one
- in the last year of the gen when my kid will be readying for university or already there, sneak myself a ps4 on the sly to play some ryu ga gotoku. should be about six new ones by then.
Sure, but then again if you look at top sellers on steam half of them is PC only anwyay so can do fine without console.Yeah but everything except Valve games could easily be on other services/devices.Omerta is on 360 also btw
I think traditional console business is on its way out.The question is just what will survive?
My bet is on a bunch of digital or semi-digital* ecosystems/services that will directly compete for consumers money.
*games will grow in size and downloading 50GB or more(multiple discs,who knows what some crazy people will do) will be a big problem for lots of people
It contains a pair of wide-angle cameras. Each camera offers a resolution of 1280 x 720 pixels (720p).
Sound is processed by a 4 microphone array working at 48 Khz.
The device can perform some non gaming tasks such as:
- Recognize the user and log in the system
- Video chat
In the gaming field it supports head and hand tracking as new game inputs.Currently it's not clear if this device will support body tracking in the future as Kinect but it's almost sure that it will be bundled with every Orbis system.
PS4 "Kinect"(http://i.minus.com/i97P4bk7nDuQ9.gif)
http://www.vgleaks.com/orbis-dual-camera-whats-this/ (http://www.vgleaks.com/orbis-dual-camera-whats-this/)QuoteIt contains a pair of wide-angle cameras. Each camera offers a resolution of 1280 x 720 pixels (720p).
Sound is processed by a 4 microphone array working at 48 Khz.
The device can perform some non gaming tasks such as:
- Recognize the user and log in the system
- Video chat
In the gaming field it supports head and hand tracking as new game inputs.Currently it's not clear if this device will support body tracking in the future as Kinect but it's almost sure that it will be bundled with every Orbis system.
poor sfeggits
:rofl
MY plan for the next gen of gaming looks like this:
- No actual free time to speak of
- Buy all next gen consoles and handhelds
- Buy all of the good games that come out for it
- I'll say to myself "I'm going to play through these games one day"
- Never do but keep buying games anyway
QuoteSure, but then again if you look at top sellers on steam half of them is PC only anwyay so can do fine without console.Yeah but everything except Valve games could easily be on other services/devices.Omerta is on 360 also btw
QuoteSure, but then again if you look at top sellers on steam half of them is PC only anwyay so can do fine without console.Yeah but everything except Valve games could easily be on other services/devices.Omerta is on 360 also btw
The Valve games ARE on consoles, mostly
QuoteSure, but then again if you look at top sellers on steam half of them is PC only anwyay so can do fine without console.Yeah but everything except Valve games could easily be on other services/devices.Omerta is on 360 also btw
The Valve games ARE on consoles, mostly
I know.
But are they on Origin?
Digital stuff
the 720 is gonna be loaded up with so much non-game shit and hide everything behind a pay wall and won't have used games. PS4 won't be BC and is gonna have a cornucopia of Sony's half-assed implementations of other people's ideas and also might not have used games.
QuoteSure, but then again if you look at top sellers on steam half of them is PC only anwyay so can do fine without console.Yeah but everything except Valve games could easily be on other services/devices.Omerta is on 360 also btw
The Valve games ARE on consoles, mostly
I know.
But are they on Origin?
Digital stuff
No-one gives a shit about Valve games being on Origin or not, get real
Killzone 4 will release later this year on Sony's next-generation PlayStation, an industry source has told VideoGamer.com.
The unannounced game, which our source claims is currently in development at Guerrilla Games, could be revealed during PlayStation Meeting on February 20, where Sony is expected to unveil PlayStation 4.
Sony has tended to announce new games in Guerrilla's shooter series alongside its hardware reveals.
The platform holder released a trailer for Killzone 2 during the announcement of PlayStation 3 - something which was later criticised for being a "target render" rather than a true example of the console's capabilities.
It also confirmed that a Killzone title was in development for PlayStation Vita at the time of the handheld's announcement.
Our source's comments suggest that Killzone 4 could be a launch window title for the unannounced hardware, which is rumoured to go on sale by the end of 2013.
Guerrilla Games' latest release was Killzone 3, which released on PlayStation 3 in 2011. In addition to Killzone 4, the developer is known to be working on a new IP.
SCEE declined to comment when contacted by VideoGamer.com.
my plan for the next gen of gaming looks like this:
- play 3ds in rare moments of actual free time
- play iphone games the rest of the time
- buy whatever console my kid points at at christmas time
- play some fucking mario with him because he's gonna point at the nintendo one
- in the last year of the gen when my kid will be readying for university or already there, sneak myself a ps4 on the sly to play some ryu ga gotoku. should be about six new ones by then.
MY plan for the next gen of gaming looks like this:
- No actual free time to speak of
- Buy all next gen consoles and handhelds
- Buy all of the good games that come out for it
- I'll say to myself "I'm going to play through these games one day"
- Never do but keep buying games anyway
Not everyone I'm talking about has responded, or even posted in this thread. It's a common sentiment. People who've been through a number of gens know the score of course but I think people who are just jumping into PC gaming now are going to be pretty disappointed. There is a point in every console gen where PC gaming looks more attractive. Inevitably, that point passes. Maybe i'll be wrong and those people will still be happily gaming away on the PCs they bought in 2012 by the end of the next gen in 2020. I reallllllly doubt it though. In a couple of years, the pendulum will be back towards consoles. Sure, you can ignore that whole scene, more power to you. But I bet a lot of people won't, and will end up spending more than they planned because they 1) splurged on a gaming PC AND 2) bought into next-gen consoles.
Van Cruncheon, Treesong, Sho Nuff - I'm looking at you here. Next-gen will break you like mahfuckin BANE
“We decided five or six years ago that we want to marry the quality of triple-A games with the business model of free-to-play,” Yerli told GamesBeat. “And out of that position, Gface and Warface were born. And at that time, we decided some other games, in some of our other studios, would head in this direction. But we kept pushing the quality bar higher on our console business, which is the main dominating business for the Western world, but we are observing, plainly — and we see this already with Warface — that the free-to-play market is on the rise. I think over the next two to three years, free-to-play is going to rival retail with quality games like Warface.”
We’re closing Impossible Studios.
When former members of Big Huge Games approached Epic last year, we saw the opportunity to help a great group of people while putting them to work on a project that needed a team. It was a bold initiative and the Impossible folks made a gallant effort, but ultimately it wasn’t working out for Epic.
In addition to providing Impossible Studios employees with 3 months of severance pay, we’ll be giving the team the opportunity to form a new company with the Impossible Studios name and the awesome Impossibear logo.
This means that Infinity Blade: Dungeons is now on hold as we figure out the future of the project.
-Tim Sweeney, Founder, Epic Games
Quote from: http://venturebeat.com/2013/02/08/crytek-ceo-our-goal-is-to-transition-entirely-to-free-to-play-games-in-2-to-5-years/“We decided five or six years ago that we want to marry the quality of triple-A games with the business model of free-to-play,” Yerli told GamesBeat. “And out of that position, Gface and Warface were born. And at that time, we decided some other games, in some of our other studios, would head in this direction. But we kept pushing the quality bar higher on our console business, which is the main dominating business for the Western world, but we are observing, plainly — and we see this already with Warface — that the free-to-play market is on the rise. I think over the next two to three years, free-to-play is going to rival retail with quality games like Warface.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31g0YE61PLQ
Yeah, I'm waiting for the gen of consoles that come with time semistasis chambers so you can have an RPG that takes 40 hours in your subjective experience but when you disconnect the wires from your brain and step out of the pod only half an hour has passed in the outside world and in terms of your body's aging.This would be a real game changer, except for the whole wire to brain thing.
Not a big surprise. A bunch of launch 360 games were "HD ports" of last gen games launching around the same time. Even Kameo and PDZ looked a bit like up-ports with an extra coat of glare and bloom thrown on it. People were actually saying that the 360's graphics weren't significantly better than Xbox 1. Oblivion blew some people away but I still felt like it looked like shit. Dead Rising-- okay, a little better, there are a hundred different zombies on screen (unlike Kameo's one character model repeated a 100 times in those huge battles.) But once Gears hit, the bar was knocked up 10 notches. That took a year though!
Even before that at PS2 launch-- ICO is a PS1 port and it shows.
Yeah, I'm waiting for the gen of consoles that come with time semistasis chambers so you can have an RPG that takes 40 hours in your subjective experience but when you disconnect the wires from your brain and step out of the pod only half an hour has passed in the outside world and in terms of your body's aging.This would be a real game changer, except for the whole wire to brain thing.
Yeah, I'm waiting for the gen of consoles that come with time semistasis chambers so you can have an RPG that takes 40 hours in your subjective experience but when you disconnect the wires from your brain and step out of the pod only half an hour has passed in the outside world and in terms of your body's aging.This would be a real game changer, except for the whole wire to brain thing.
Wire-to-brain is the wave of the future. Although, we will need to get to working on cyberbrains first.
Xbox 720 launch games to not look any better than Crysis 3?QuoteSpeaking to us last week about the calibre of his studio's upcoming shooter, Yerli said: "I don't think Crytek can do more on current generation consoles than Crysis 3. I actually think people will be astonished that next gen launch titles from other companies might not be much different from Crysis 3."
On his company's own efforts for new hardware, Yerli added: "Crytek's projects generally will be way above what we've achieved on the existing consoles."
Yerli also praised the work his team has done creating what he believes is a unique game world.
"Crysis 3 has its own visual identity, [the urban rainforest] is a world that hasn't been done before, that kind of depiction, the quality and level of immersion. I think no game has ever done that kind of setting, it's a visual spectacle.
"It has not even been done in Hollywood. People might suggest there are similarities with I Am Legend, but that is quite different to this. I Am Legend is overgrown, but Crysis 3's urban rainforest is a whole different level of that. It has its own identity and I'm very proud of what the team achieved in this regard."
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Enjoy your sub-1080p, sub-60 fps next-gen games looking like current PC games, maxy. Meanwhile they will be 1080p and 60fps on the PCs.
Xbox 720 launch games to not look any better than Crysis 3?QuoteSpeaking to us last week about the calibre of his studio's upcoming shooter, Yerli said: "I don't think Crytek can do more on current generation consoles than Crysis 3. I actually think people will be astonished that next gen launch titles from other companies might not be much different from Crysis 3."
On his company's own efforts for new hardware, Yerli added: "Crytek's projects generally will be way above what we've achieved on the existing consoles."
Yerli also praised the work his team has done creating what he believes is a unique game world.
"Crysis 3 has its own visual identity, [the urban rainforest] is a world that hasn't been done before, that kind of depiction, the quality and level of immersion. I think no game has ever done that kind of setting, it's a visual spectacle.
"It has not even been done in Hollywood. People might suggest there are similarities with I Am Legend, but that is quite different to this. I Am Legend is overgrown, but Crysis 3's urban rainforest is a whole different level of that. It has its own identity and I'm very proud of what the team achieved in this regard."
Source
Enjoy your sub-1080p, sub-60 fps next-gen games looking like current PC games, maxy. Meanwhile they will be 1080p and 60fps on the PCs.
didn't bother me too much on PS3 because it used standard laptop hard drives. if xbox3 or ps4 use proprietary nonsense and it's like the xbox 360 (up until a couple years ago? it supports usb hard drives now, right?) then it'll get annoying. I've installed every new 360 game I've played since whenever I could, but deleting them for space afterwards sucked.
That's more of a problem with managing limited storage than installing games. Wii was gated at ~500 megs for years until a patch enabled SD card booting; I think that's where the fridge comments came from.
What is Bore stance on full mandatory installs next gen?
I think that MS will put Bungies new game behind XBL Gold, or do something like that. INCENTIVISING suckers to keep paying those money.
What is Bore stance on full mandatory installs next gen?
If leaked info is true,Durango will have 6X Bluray--that is about 30MB/s.Even with some heavy (de)compression it will take a while to fill multiple gigabytes.Full mandatory installs would also allow devs to pack the data on disc as tight as possible.
Use the hardrives to the max or have some compromise?
You will wait in either case.
didn't bother me too much on PS3 because it used standard laptop hard drives. if xbox3 or ps4 use proprietary nonsense and it's like the xbox 360 (up until a couple years ago? it supports usb hard drives now, right?) then it'll get annoying. I've installed every new 360 game I've played since whenever I could, but deleting them for space afterwards sucked.
That's more of a problem with managing limited storage than installing games. Wii was gated at ~500 megs for years until a patch enabled SD card booting; I think that's where the fridge comments came from.
Some leak said that Durango has 640GB hard drive,should be enough for a while.I suppose there will be some sku with much higher space.Proprietary is a certain thing for MS.
Sony,who knows but after Vita...
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Found it.
MS will fuck up so badly next gen, everyone can feel it. The curse of the 3rd console.
i can't wait for all this shit to get laid out in the open once and for all
i figure neither sony or ms will come clean off the bat about their drm plans, there'll be a lot of question dodging and doublespeak until right before launch, they'll both try to downplay that stuff as much as possible
No worries,Hollywood will save us
Just saw this
Didn't Gabe just come out and say basically the same thing that david cage did?
David Cage wants to make movies, but he makes videogames instead because the standards are lower.
Hideo Kojima wants to make movies, but he makes videogames instead because the standards are lower.:teehee
At least he made good games at one point. Can't say that about Cage ever.Hideo Kojima wants to make movies, but he makes videogames instead because the standards are lower.:teehee
Hideo Kojima wants to make movies, but he makes videogames instead because the standards are lower.:teehee
My problem is that he's not really arguing for more diversity. He's just arguing for things to be the way he wants, which would probably be about the same amount of diversity but in different areas. Cage doesn't just say "I would like there to be more games like Heavy Rain", he says "I would like it if games that were not like Heavy Rain did not exist because I think they are silly".
I don't think anyone is against there being more types of games and themes out there, but he's arguing it at the expense of things that are already established, and at the same time dismissing any new ideas that might happen to not fit his idea of how things should be. And not that he has to lead by example, but it would help if he himself was a bit more diverse with what he did. Yeah, he does a different style of game from the norm, but he keeps doing the same sort of different style.
9 more days till the PS4pocalypse :bow2
9 more days till the PS4pocalypse :bow2
Sfags say that "Sony has learned" and they won't show CGI bullcrap now.
:rofl
The problem with Killzone is the sluggish, heavy controls, it feels like youre controlling some goddamn mech (and not a cool mech thats agile). I heard this was done on purpose, but its really a bad bad bad choice then. If they sped it up it could maybe compete with games like COD. Even BF which is more rooted in "realism" feels more responsive then this.
Maybe the game has more problems then this, but after playing the demo I never felt like buying the game.
You're right though Oscar, if KZ4 was a launch game it would fare better yes, but I secrelty hope they will let Guerilla make some new FPS.
The problem with Killzone is the sluggish, heavy controls, it feels like youre controlling some goddamn mech (and not a cool mech thats agile). I heard this was done on purpose, but its really a bad bad bad choice then. If they sped it up it could maybe compete with games like COD. Even BF which is more rooted in "realism" feels more responsive then this.Killzone 3 "fixes" the molasses laden bones problem, it is however inferior to Killzone 2 is just about ever other way.
Maybe the game has more problems then this, but after playing the demo I never felt like buying the game.
You're right though Oscar, if KZ4 was a launch game it would fare better yes, but I secrelty hope they will let Guerilla make some new FPS.
I'm sure Killzone will be as mediocre and uninteresting as ever. Releasing it near launch is a good idea. That's pretty much the best time to sell mediocre and uninteresting things.
It's kind of amazing to me that for all the money and effort thrown into it, Sony still doesn't have a first party FPS worth a damn.
it wouldn't be a Sony reveal without some funny bullshit. Shit, even Sony themselves don't have to do anything-- iirc, the FFVII PS3 demonstration had "Not A Game In Development" disclaimer or something, which didn't stop everyone from freaking out for years after (every announcement of an announcement/"secret game" for the PS3 was "OMG its FFVII.")
The next-generation Xbox—the one that will follow the still-popular Xbox 360—will run multiple games at once, require game installations, and will only work when a much-improved version of the popular but divisive Kinect sensor array is plugged in, according to a source who says he has access to development hardware.
We've also heard more about how the system apparently works and what it will be like to control it and play games on it, though we've not seen the unit ourselves. Our source even claims to have played some Durango games, describing the graphical leap from current-gen console gaming like going from playing Halo 2 on an original Xbox to playing Crysis on a powerful PC.
Perhaps most importantly, this isn't an optional accessory. It's mandatory. Not only does a Kinect ship with every console, but it must be plugged in and calibrated for the console to even function.(http://img.gawkerassets.com/post/9/2013/02/kinect-specs.jpg)
This requirement is due to the way Kinect has been integrated with the Durango; because every console can be guaranteed of having the camera, developers can now program every game with the peripheral in mind.
It's also because the Kinect will always be watching you. The new version of the camera is able to track up to six individual "skeletons" in the same room at all times. This has clear gameplay implications, such as allowing a game to instantly identify a person, but could also be related to a recently-patented Microsoft system for monitoring and maybe even charging users based on who is watching what. SuperDae's Kinect documentation also makes mention of automatic player identification becoming part of a gameplay experience.
The camera has also been improved upon the models currently available, with the Durango's version capable of independently tracking your thumbs, determining whether your hand is open or closed, and even, it's claimed, reading your facial expression and seeing whether you're angry, sad or excited. The improved viewing angle is so wide that the new Kinect doesn't even need to nod to find the best viewing angle.
A point of confusion during the lifetime of the Xbox 360, and one of consternation for developers, was the way in which Microsoft split the install base of the machine, selling some consoles with a hard drive and others without. This meant games could not be programmed to specifically take advantage of a hard drive installation.
That divide is gone this time around, with all Durango retail consoles shipping with an HDD. That drive is 500GB in size, which should be enough for your media storage needs, but it'll mostly be used for games, which must now be installed immediately upon first insertion of the game disc.
What's more, this installation can take place automatically, while you're playing the game. Durango titles can be designed in "sections," so that you can pop your disc in, start playing and, in the background, the rest of the game will install. Installing games should bring performance improvements, we think, but doing so in the background should also get rid of pre-game install waits, one of the more annoying hold-ups of the current generation of consoles.
Durango game installations will also be mandatory, as games can't directly access data from the disc.
The Durango's control pad will be a "natural evolution" of the Xbox 360's pad, according to SuperDaE's info. While this suggests a near-identical layout—not necessarily a problem considering the cross-platform popularity of the layout with the PC—Xbox 360 controllers won't work with the Durango, as they use what Microsoft is calling a "new wireless technology."
Perhaps most importantly, this isn't an optional accessory. It's mandatory. Not only does a Kinect ship with every console, but it must be plugged in and calibrated for the console to even function.
This requirement is due to the way Kinect has been integrated with the Durango; because every console can be guaranteed of having the camera, developers can now program every game with the peripheral in mind.
QuotePerhaps most importantly, this isn't an optional accessory. It's mandatory. Not only does a Kinect ship with every console, but it must be plugged in and calibrated for the console to even function.
This requirement is due to the way Kinect has been integrated with the Durango; because every console can be guaranteed of having the camera, developers can now program every game with the peripheral in mind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l59cg62wqpY
He seems legit but I dunno. 9 more days and all will be clear. I got the monies put aside so it's now up to Sony to blow me away with exclusives. They can always fuck up the launch like they did with PS3 or like Nintendo did recently with Wii U.
Not sure why people are surprised about mandatory Kinect.MS is not going to put Kinect in every box and make it optional to use.
Not sure why people are surprised about mandatory Kinect.MS is not going to put Kinect in every box and make it optional to use.
they should call it the xbox 360 because you do a 360 for biometric verification then walk away
they should call it the xbox 360 because you do a 360 for biometric verification then walk away
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If these rumors are true, next gen is sounding worse and worse. Going to be some serious frothing at the mouth nerd rage if most of it turns out to be true.
So far only 2 people have said they won't get a next-gen console so yeah!
Well, at the very least, the new Xbox is looking pretty unlikely for Oscar's trashcan. If all these rumours pan out, I've got pretty much no interest in it, and my son certainly isn't going to ask for one. I'll probably end up with a PS4 in the long run for Yakuza, and I bet my son is still gonna want a WiiU come Xmas.
it's next-gen in the only way that matters right nowspoiler (click to show/hide)my wallet :'([close]
the only thing that would make this better is having to read the disc key code out loud to activate your games
"Xbox, game activation. 768, capital A, capital B, capital D, lower case G, 333, capital V, capital Z, 785."
"768, capital A, capital D, capital B, lower case V, 333, capital Z, capital V, 785 is not a valid game activation code. Please read a valid game activation code."
"God damnit. 768, capital Aaaaa, capital Bbbbbb, capital Ddddd, lower case Ggggg, 333, capital Vvvvv, capital Zzzzz, 785."
"Goddamnit768, capital A, capital D, capital B, lower case V, 333, capital Z, capital V, 785 is not a valid game activation code. Please read a valid game activation code."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l59cg62wqpY
“Yes, we started with video games, but we have been on a journey to make Xbox the center of every household’s entertainment,” says Yusuf Mehdi, corporate vice president of Microsoft’s Interactive Entertainment Business.
2012 also marked the Xbox’s biggest year for entertainment and games usage. Users enjoyed more than 18 billion hours of entertainment in 2012, with entertainment app usage growing 57 percent year over year globally. Last year in the United States, Xbox LIVE Gold members averaged 87 hours per month on Xbox, an increase of 10 percent year over year
Nancy Tellem is spearheading a new L.A.-based studio called Xbox Entertainment Studios, where the mission is to create true interactive content for Xbox and other devices that will change the way entertainment content is experienced and delivered. Tellem also now oversees live event programming for Xbox LIVE. Xbox has had success with live events such as the Elections 2012 Hub on Xbox LIVE, which aired the presidential debates with an added interactive polling capability. Viewers submitted 3 million answers to on-screen questions during the live telecast of one of the debates. More recently, Xbox aired an interactive red carpet experience for this year’s Grammy Awards and will be doing the same for the 85th Academy Awards.
During 2013, Microsoft is planning to launch more than 40 new voice-controlled, customized TV and entertainment apps on Xbox.
“We want to partner with the industry to bring entertainment into a new era,” she says. “It’s an era when interactive entertainment becomes the greatest form of all entertainment – and we couldn’t be more excited to play a part in it.”
There's still plenty of room on the Steambox bandwagon, guys. :smugspoiler (click to show/hide)That's because there's currently only two hobos on it. :'([close]
Kinect 2 bundled :rofl
if kinect didn't suck I'd be interested in it...it's always been conceptually interesting to me and, again, if it worked, simple head tracking in any first person game is a good addition without sacrificing your dignity.
I mean, people were into that steel battalion game before they played it!
guessing the mandatory part is more for the interface than its places in games. either siri voice commands or mimicking touch screen-isms with spasms.
Basically, I'm not interested in a console as anything other than A DEDICATED GAME MACHINE. What's frightening is that the weeeeoooooo may actually fit that bill better than either of the other two, which seem to be going the "media center/appeal to casual wankery" route that I find actively offensive and off-putting. Too bad the weeeeooooo is gimped powerwise and doomed.
Kinect isn't worth paying for (although my kid has played a fair amount of the shit you'd expect) but I don't see how it ruins the experience for anyone. Your PC also does a bunch of shit you don't need it to do, and likely comes bundled with a bunch of software you likely uninstall or ignore (oh shut up Andrex). What's the big fuckin' deal. Ignore it and be glad those things and the people who buy them are subsidizing YOUR purchase
I'm not saying anyone here is going to love or even not-hate Kinect of course....I'm just saying that given the way most of you creamed over Watch Dogs (which was just the barest hint of next-gen), you'll likely get over the inclusion of Kinect and whatever Sony does. Post-Wii, consoles are gonna have some daft kind of motion-sensing bullshit until that trend can be confirmed dead. It's not even worth arguing about, it's just inevitable. I got over that about 4 years ago. If you think Kinect adds too much to the price, you will likely hold off until the price comes down to whatever you imagine a Kinect-less console is worth.
I dunno, Sixaxis was in PS3, it supposedly cost me extra money in some way 'cause R&D went into it and it had gyros...i don't care. I never used it, it didn't bother me in the slightest and I stopped thinking about it years ago. I'm totally sure there will be an option to disable all the Kinect stuff if you want to (if there is one thing a Microsoft OS does, it's provide lots of meaningless options)
I think microsoft is seriously overestimating how much people want media machine.
If you already have something that streams netflix (basicly any device now) you dont need something else.
Not to mention none of this is even slightly relevant outside of the us.
Durango game installations will also be mandatory, as games can't directly access data from the disc.
The next-generation Xbox—the one that will follow the still-popular Xbox 360—will run multiple games at once, require game installations
To me it sounds like they could be next gen's complacently successful company. What are they going to do when all the content delivery services (that they make you pay $50 to access before the individual service sub fees) come installed as apps in TV + DVR + BR playermenu systems?New tvs already have that shit built in.
Spin that record, maxy. Spin it around.I have nothing against that if sfeggits start funding my favorite games.
3rd place awaits for MS next-gen.
I think microsoft is seriously overestimating how much people want a media machine.
If you already have something that streams netflix (basicly any device now) you dont need something else.
Not to mention none of this is even slightly relevant outside of the us.
I doubt kinect 2 will win europe and japan over.
I think microsoft is seriously overestimating how much people want a media machine.
If you already have something that streams netflix (basicly any device now) you dont need something else.
Not to mention none of this is even slightly relevant outside of the us.
I doubt kinect 2 will win europe and japan over.
Yeah:Not sure if you are just trolling or some inner raging sfag has awakened but I would suggest that you take a look at sales charts/XBL charts/Netflix usage among platforms.
Netflix, Netflix, Netflix, Netflix, Netflix, Netflix, Netflix, Netflix, Netflix, Netflix, Netflix, Halo, Netflix, Netflix, Netflix, Netflix, Netflix, Netflix, Netflix, Netflix, Netflix, Netflix, Gears of War, Netflix, Netflix, Netflix, Netflix, Netflix, Netflix, Netflix, Halo, FIFA, Netflix, Netflix, Netflix, Netflix, Netflix, Netflix, Netflix, Netflix, Netflix, Netflix, Netflix
*yawn*
Used 3G Vitas are going for less than the Wifi Vitas here for some reason. You can get one for like $160 right now. I sure hope Sony's not fooling themselves about that 4G Vita having any effect at all. On the plus side, it might push down used prices for the 3G even more. If it gets to $120, I'll grab one. :drool:omg
Edit: actually, the HDMI out has me a bit skeptical
Patent reveals 4G Vita, some places have details.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47613598&postcount=1
- A new 4G model of the PlayStation Vita will be replacing the 3G model sometime this year. According to the source, this will be the so-called “price drop” that has been rumored for the Vita as the new model will retain the $299 price point for an upgraded system.
- The Wi-Fi version will still be available on the market for $249
- To go along with the 4G model, a significant firmware update will go live bringing in a lot of requested features including new ways to organize apps in folders.
- The new model may be unveiled along with the rumored PS4 this month at PlayStation’s February 20th event or at E3, but will not hit the market until later in the year.
- A price cut on memory cards will be made. No details on prices.
Ok, the first bullet point is so classically Sony that I already find this entire list credible. Nobody fucking bought the 3G model and it wasn't because they find 3G slow and were hoping for 4G...nobody wants a fucking data plan for their gaming handheld! It wouldn't be a problem, but it's priced exactly the same. If it was $249 4G, $199 Wifi, this 4G crap would just seem a little silly, but there would at least be a drop.
but the rest of it all sounds good and should help the system. Memory card price cut being the words everyone has been waiting for about the Vita. Hopefully the cuts are great, but I have a feeling they'll just get bumped down a $10 notch or something.
Xfegs must be pretty down in the dumps after all the recent leaks about PS4's powerful power and Durango's anti-consumer and dare I say anti-GAMING features.
Seriously you Sony fanboys are LIVID. Worse than nintards at this point. PS3 loses to the Xbox and you guys are fucking bitter about it.
Used 3G Vitas are going for less than the Wifi Vitas here for some reason. You can get one for like $160 right now. I sure hope Sony's not fooling themselves about that 4G Vita having any effect at all. On the plus side, it might push down used prices for the 3G even more. If it gets to $120, I'll grab one. :droolDoes this thing play PSP games?
I think microsoft is seriously overestimating how much people want a media machine.
If you already have something that streams netflix (basicly any device now) you dont need something else.
Not to mention none of this is even slightly relevant outside of the us.
I doubt kinect 2 will win europe and japan over.
I think microsoft is seriously overestimating how much people want a media machine.
If you already have something that streams netflix (basicly any device now) you dont need something else.
Not to mention none of this is even slightly relevant outside of the us.
I doubt kinect 2 will win europe and japan over.
There was a stat at some point that said more people used XBL for Netflix than gaming.
There are rumours this morning that Naughty Dog’s The Last Of Us may have had its release date pushed back to June 18th, six weeks from the previously confirmed May 7th release date.
The rumours started after US retailer Best Buy sent out an email to customers who pre-ordered The Last Of Us, informing them that the game had been pushed back to June 18th.
God of War 2 and FF12 were both released after PS3 has hit the market and they still moved good amounts according to Oscar data IIRC.Yeah,but you are talking about two big well known franchises released on PS2.This is one week after E3(June 11-13),I guess they will have to talk about it.
You guyz are such downers. Give into the excitement of new consoles. There will be plenty to bitch about later
TLOU has massive hype coming from the Uncharted fanboys and is releasing when The Walking Dead is a hot TV series.
It's not sent to die like Gears of War: LOLment.
Try again, maxboxy.
You guyz are such downers. Give into the excitement of new consoles. There will be plenty to bitch about later
We'll see. I'm tentatively excited to see what PS4 has in store for us.
TLOU has massive hype coming from the Uncharted fanboys and is releasing when The Walking Dead is a hot TV series.:lol Borys is a horrible troll. I still wub you
It's not sent to die like Gears of War: LOLment.
Try again, maxboxy.
The new Batman Arkham game coming out this year will not be done by Rocksteady
I take that as positive news meaning Rocksteady might be working on a next gen game instead
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Leaked mock up
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Edit: actually, the HDMI out has me a bit skeptical
Patent reveals 4G Vita, some places have details.
- a significant firmware update will go live bringing in a lot of requested features including new ways to organize apps in folders.
- A price cut on memory cards will be made. No details on prices.
CD-Action Mag known for reviewing big games early has reviewed Crysis 3 and gave it a great 9 out of 10. a user from Crydev forums named “pcrysis” published a few details about the review as you can see below:
it takes 5h to complete game in normal mode with sidemissions
there is something cool after credits
probably driveble tank
ending doesn’t exclude future dlc
last two levels are really big
facial animations better done than in LA Noire
you can see the cover of magazine calling it a MEGA REVIEW because its 8 pages.
overall 9/10
gameplay 9/10
video 10/10
audio 8/10
"The reality is, is that fiscal year 2014 will still be a fairly large gen-three if there's a console business that comes in at the tail end of the year, mainly because a lot of our titles are built around sports calendars. And so a FIFA, a Madden, an NCAA, an NHL title, all come out aligned with the sports calendar. And if a next-gen console doesn't come out until next Christmas, most people won't wait. They'll want to be involved in getting those titles early, because their friends are all playing those titles, and because they're being played on a current generation's consoles.
"An important thing to remember is that next-gen consoles will most likely not be backwards compatible… And if you [play] multiplayer on a game, you'll most likely not be able to play with someone on a different generation. And so if you're a FIFA player and, and the soccer season's starting in August, and all your friends are playing FIFA, you're going to want to be on the same box that they're on. So if they all go out and buy a gen-four box if it comes out at Christmas, then you'll most likely do it. If they all hold on and continue to play on third-generation, you'll probably not see that box purchase until after the soccer season's over.
"And I think that works for us positively in both ways. It helps us continue to sell gen-three products, and it will help us sell gen-four product as that cycle finally gets into place."
But you are awesome. Rememer that.TLOU has massive hype coming from the Uncharted fanboys and is releasing when The Walking Dead is a hot TV series.:lol Borys is a horrible troll. I still wub you
It's not sent to die like Gears of War: LOLment.
Try again, maxboxy.
My trolls are awful :'(
This is pretty big
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/186504/EAs_money_man_spills_the_beans_on_its_nextgen_plans.php#.URqxaB26b0dQuote"The reality is, is that fiscal year 2014 will still be a fairly large gen-three if there's a console business that comes in at the tail end of the year, mainly because a lot of our titles are built around sports calendars. And so a FIFA, a Madden, an NCAA, an NHL title, all come out aligned with the sports calendar. And if a next-gen console doesn't come out until next Christmas, most people won't wait. They'll want to be involved in getting those titles early, because their friends are all playing those titles, and because they're being played on a current generation's consoles.
"An important thing to remember is that next-gen consoles will most likely not be backwards compatible… And if you [play] multiplayer on a game, you'll most likely not be able to play with someone on a different generation. And so if you're a FIFA player and, and the soccer season's starting in August, and all your friends are playing FIFA, you're going to want to be on the same box that they're on. So if they all go out and buy a gen-four box if it comes out at Christmas, then you'll most likely do it. If they all hold on and continue to play on third-generation, you'll probably not see that box purchase until after the soccer season's over.
"And I think that works for us positively in both ways. It helps us continue to sell gen-three products, and it will help us sell gen-four product as that cycle finally gets into place."
Gaming industry bye bye
This is pretty big
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/186504/EAs_money_man_spills_the_beans_on_its_nextgen_plans.php#.URqxaB26b0dQuote"The reality is, is that fiscal year 2014 will still be a fairly large gen-three if there's a console business that comes in at the tail end of the year, mainly because a lot of our titles are built around sports calendars. And so a FIFA, a Madden, an NCAA, an NHL title, all come out aligned with the sports calendar. And if a next-gen console doesn't come out until next Christmas, most people won't wait. They'll want to be involved in getting those titles early, because their friends are all playing those titles, and because they're being played on a current generation's consoles.
"An important thing to remember is that next-gen consoles will most likely not be backwards compatible… And if you [play] multiplayer on a game, you'll most likely not be able to play with someone on a different generation. And so if you're a FIFA player and, and the soccer season's starting in August, and all your friends are playing FIFA, you're going to want to be on the same box that they're on. So if they all go out and buy a gen-four box if it comes out at Christmas, then you'll most likely do it. If they all hold on and continue to play on third-generation, you'll probably not see that box purchase until after the soccer season's over.
"And I think that works for us positively in both ways. It helps us continue to sell gen-three products, and it will help us sell gen-four product as that cycle finally gets into place."
Gaming industry bye bye
We're entering generation 4? Wouldn't this be at the least gen 6?
http://www.vg247.com/2013/02/12/gamestop-60-of-customers-wont-buy-a-new-console-that-blocks-used-games/Although the results are probably accurate, lol at the source. "69% of Americans will not buy cars that block ethanol," claims National Corn Growers Association.
Lloyd said it has conducted research into the used game trade and has shared the results with platform holders.
. . .
“I think it was 60% of customers who said they wouldn't buy a new console [if it blocks used games]"
This is pretty big
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/186504/EAs_money_man_spills_the_beans_on_its_nextgen_plans.php#.URqxaB26b0dQuote"The reality is, is that fiscal year 2014 will still be a fairly large gen-three if there's a console business that comes in at the tail end of the year, mainly because a lot of our titles are built around sports calendars. And so a FIFA, a Madden, an NCAA, an NHL title, all come out aligned with the sports calendar. And if a next-gen console doesn't come out until next Christmas, most people won't wait. They'll want to be involved in getting those titles early, because their friends are all playing those titles, and because they're being played on a current generation's consoles.
"An important thing to remember is that next-gen consoles will most likely not be backwards compatible… And if you [play] multiplayer on a game, you'll most likely not be able to play with someone on a different generation. And so if you're a FIFA player and, and the soccer season's starting in August, and all your friends are playing FIFA, you're going to want to be on the same box that they're on. So if they all go out and buy a gen-four box if it comes out at Christmas, then you'll most likely do it. If they all hold on and continue to play on third-generation, you'll probably not see that box purchase until after the soccer season's over.
"And I think that works for us positively in both ways. It helps us continue to sell gen-three products, and it will help us sell gen-four product as that cycle finally gets into place."
Gaming industry bye bye
No retail BC is so so
No Live BC is just plain wrong.MS is playing with fire.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8fwtkC5UJU
It's the opposite for me. Emulating a different CPU architecture isn't easy. Not blocking used games, on the other hand, requires no effort at all.
It's the opposite for me. Emulating a different CPU architecture isn't easy. Not blocking used games, on the other hand, requires no effort at all.
I do not want to keep my 360 hooked up once I get a new console but there are a lot of 360 games I would still like to play when the new console comes out. It sucks on a rights level about the used game stuff but based on my actual real life buying practices it doesn't actually effect me. Although I understand people have different priorities.Sure, it's the same for me. I only have room for one or two consoles in my living room and BC is a very nice feature to have. Despite this I actually prefer that Sony abandon the Cell/SPEs setup and goes with something that will generate less complaints from developers and hopefully will result in better ports. It's possible that they will still have some kind of BC through software emulation or Gaikai streaming, but I wouldn't keep my hopes up.
I dont care bout retail BC cause I sell that shit anyway. But no Live/PSN bc is :lol :lolfucking word.
Between Steam and the app store people expect this. Its one of the things I demand if I'm not able to resell, access to what I bought.
I never, ever cared about BC but I can see it as a anti-consumer move from both camps. It's just something console owners take for granted that new console is always somewhat BC with the last one.
I'm more of a channel5/sky guy :(BC is a tiny issue for me.
Betcha BBC isn't :drool
How many people really use the BC feature anyway? How about past the first year after the console has been out?I use it quite often and I would use it even more if it was 100% compatible with all games. The European launch PS3s can't for instance run Shadow Hearts.
:roflI'm more of a channel5/sky guy :(BC is a tiny issue for me.
Betcha BBC isn't :drool
A VG247 source has seemingly confirmed that the PS4 controller will include a front touch-pad, speaking a week before the console’s expected reveal in New York.
A VG247 source said today that PS4′s rumoured controller touch-pad is real. The input is on the front of the handset. The Start and Select buttons have been moved as a result.
The controller is “more or less” the same shape as the current DualShock. We’ve been told today that the L2 and R2 buttons have been remodelled for the better.
The existence of the touch-pad has been previously reported by Edge, but claims a “Share” button exists on the controller from the same report were debunked by our source today. Apparently it isn’t there.
To All Interested Parties:
様々な創作の可能性を模索したいという動機から、少し前に（株）ソニー・コンピュータエンタテインメント （以下SCE） ジャパンスタジオを退社いたしました。
現在はフリーランス契約として『人喰いの大鷲トリコ』に携わっています。
お待たせしております『人喰いの大鷲トリコ』ですが、現在 も引き続き作品が目指す方向を提示するポジションに就いており、優秀なスタッフとともに制作を進めております。
ですが、それをどう世に出していくのかは、SCEが決定、発表していくと思いますので、今僕から何かをお伝えすることはできません。
皆さんに満足して貰えるような形で届けてくれる筈ですので、SCEからの正式な発表をお待ちください。
今後は、引き続き 『人喰いの大鷲トリコ』の制作と、特定の枠にこだわらない新たな創作の可能性に向け邁進してゆく所存です。
また、一個人としての創作活動にも積極的に取り組んでいきたいと考えておりますので、これからもよろしくお願いいたします。
As some of you may have heard, I left Sony Computer Entertainment Japan Studio some time ago to pursue my creative passions. Nevertheless, I continue working on THE LAST GUARDIAN as a freelance contributor.
While it’s been a long time coming, THE LAST GUARDIAN remains under my creative supervision and is still in development by an incredibly talented team.
I should also mention that details regarding THE LAST GUARDIAN's release is solely decided by Sony Computer Entertainment, not myself. Please keep an eye out for their official announcement.
Moving forward, it is my intent to continue my involvement with THE LAST GUARDIAN project, as well as pursue new creative projects with a fresh perspective. As I rekindle my passions as a creator, I look forward to seeing where it will take me, and I deeply appreciate your support during this transition.
It's PS4. It's been PS4 for a long time now.
I don't know, but I know it's been in development on Orbis for a long time now. It's platform has been questionable for nearly two years, but the last time it was restarted (it's been restarted a number of times), it was moved to Orbis.
With the PlayStation Meeting now one week away, excitement for the PS4′s announcement is at a fever pitch. Of course, some are still reluctant to believe that the next generation is already upon us, but the size of the meeting’s venue certainly points to the PlayStation 4′s big reveal.
In an invite to PSLS, Sony announced that the PlayStation Meeting will be held at The Hammerstein Ballroom at the Manhattan Center Studios in New York. Unlike an ordinary press event, which only has 20 or so journalists in attendance, this is going to be a huge event akin to an E3 press conference – The Hammerstein Ballroom’s website states that the venue can accommodate 2,800 people Reception Style or 2,200 people Theater Style.
Naughty Dog's upcoming post-apocalyptic PlayStation 3-exclusive The Last of Us has been delayed until June 14, Sony has announced.
I'm excited for TLG, it will give me something more to troll
HAMMMERSTEIN is a fitting name to what PS4 will do to Xbox 720 next gen :droolWill Sony sue Microsoft?
I'd like to see something truly innovative in a traditional controller but I'll be honest and admit I don't know exactly what that is.
I don't see the purpose for a touchpad but at least it seems relatively harmless in the grand scheme of things.
I do really like the idea behind the Wii U pad and wanted the other two to do something similar, only smarter, and with an actual vision.
I still haven't seen a case for the Wii U pad that makes it seem worthwhile for the money. Some 'neat' applications, but nothing game changing. Oculus Rift as a consumer item is a true game changer, people should be talking about that. A secondary screen is at least more useful than a random touchpad like Vitas backside and rumoured to be on PS4s controller, can't wait to dust off some ancient artifacts and swipe up and down to fight against the wind.
I still haven't seen a case for the Wii U pad that makes it seem worthwhile for the money. Some 'neat' applications, but nothing game changing. Oculus Rift as a consumer item is a true game changer, people should be talking about that. A secondary screen is at least more useful than a random touchpad like Vitas backside and rumoured to be on PS4s controller, can't wait to dust off some ancient artifacts and swipe up and down to fight against the wind.
They don't want to make games for 2008 hardware but they sure are enamoured with that turn-of-the-century engine they're still using.
They don't want to make games for 2008 hardware but they sure are enamoured with that turn-of-the-century engine they're still using.
Skyrim used a brand new engine created by Bethesda, actually.
ECW used to bring the fukkin hammerstein to its knees awesome place
I think things like the Oculus Rift are immersion tools. Which is fine if a person is in to that but I have a feeling I wouldn't want to play most games wearing that thing. The Wii U gamepad for me would be more useful as both something I could play in bed and as an extra off screen pause menu at the bare minimum although I can think of more interesting uses.
They don't want to make games for 2008 hardware but they sure are enamoured with that turn-of-the-century engine they're still using.
Skyrim used a brand new engine created by Bethesda, actually.
Hopefully there's some chantsSony really is deserving of the former chant in regards to this past gen aren't they? :lol
YOU FUCKED UP! YOU FUCKED UP!
HE'S HARDCORE! HE'S HARDCORE!
The Last Guardian being on PS4 is a fucking embarrassment. I hope Sony makes better decisions and have better management with their PS4 software.
The Last Guardian being on PS4 is a fucking embarrassment. I hope Sony makes better decisions and have better management with their PS4 software.
someone start the rumor that Secret PS3 Game is delayed and moved to the Orbis
Durango rumors:
- They note that Microsoft has been less communicative with the editors than Sony, which would explain why we have less information about the next Xbox (this last part is my own guess)
- Out before December 2013 in the USA, announcement this semester
- You will be able to stream content from your console to another device, like Smartglass on Xbox 360, or the Wii U Controller. They refer to this as a "companion app"
- Always on, always connected. The system will download content which you will then be able to simply activate (read: buy)
- HD Kinect integrated, allowing the user to "wake up" the Xbox with a word or a specific gesture
- Microsoft wants to ban used games, but not 100% sure yet. No decision taken yet
Orbis rumors:
- Out in 2013 in the USA
- Like Durango, Orbis will allow you to stream content to another device, and Sony could even announce a partnership with Apple at E3 for this functionality to work with iPhones
- The PS4 controller will have a touchpad and a camera (their wording is a little weird here, maybe they mean the system will have a camera, not the controller...)
- Just like the Vita, there will be some "cross-buy" high-profile multiplatform games. You buy a PS3 game, you also get the PS4 version. This would also work with 360 games! A nice way to have PS4 games before even buying one. Another example is given FIFA '14: you have the 360 version and achievements; those achievements will be transfered to your PS4 account too.
- The 02/20 event will have more videos than gameplay demos
Lastly, both systems will be in the same ballpark power wise, and according to their source the rumors that are on the internet are "80% true".
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=513310
Sony to Partner Up With Apple
Xbox 360/720/PS4/Vita cross buy
Xbox 360 game achievements also transfer over with cross-buy, might not happen because Sony and MS can't come to an agreement about the point to trophy exchange rate
MS to reveal revolutionary Durango to 360 video streaming
QuoteDurango rumors:
- They note that Microsoft has been less communicative with the editors than Sony, which would explain why we have less information about the next Xbox (this last part is my own guess)
- Out before December 2013 in the USA, announcement this semester
- You will be able to stream content from your console to another device, like Smartglass on Xbox 360, or the Wii U Controller. They refer to this as a "companion app"
- Always on, always connected. The system will download content which you will then be able to simply activate (read: buy)
- HD Kinect integrated, allowing the user to "wake up" the Xbox with a word or a specific gesture
- Microsoft wants to ban used games, but not 100% sure yet. No decision taken yet
Orbis rumors:
- Out in 2013 in the USA
- Like Durango, Orbis will allow you to stream content to another device, and Sony could even announce a partnership with Apple at E3 for this functionality to work with iPhones
- The PS4 controller will have a touchpad and a camera (their wording is a little weird here, maybe they mean the system will have a camera, not the controller...)
- Just like the Vita, there will be some "cross-buy" high-profile multiplatform games. You buy a PS3 game, you also get the PS4 version. This would also work with 360 games! A nice way to have PS4 games before even buying one. Another example is given FIFA '14: you have the 360 version and achievements; those achievements will be transfered to your PS4 account too.
- The 02/20 event will have more videos than gameplay demos
Lastly, both systems will be in the same ballpark power wise, and according to their source the rumors that are on the internet are "80% true".
HAMMMERSTEIN is a fitting name to what PS4 will do to Xbox 720 next gen :drool
Would be hilarious if PS4 comes out as a "true" games console with no extraneous bullshit/subscriptions/used-game-banning/motion-control stuff... and is announced with TLG and Versus at launch.
And then Durango comes out with banned used games, mandatory Kinect, nothing but another Halo/Gears/Fable/Kinect shovelware...
yeah, the PSN store is advertises movies and games on the same page. You have to click on games to shuffle away all the movie content. Actually, it's called the Sony Entertainment Network now. I think. It might still be PSN and SEN...it's confusing. Doubt it'll be as overboard as it is on the PS3. My PS3 can play SACDs and has a compact flash card reader.
I'm confused about where people think Microsoft is taking the next Xbox. Short of becoming a comcast box with a coaxial cable jack on the back, the 360 can do pretty much everything. Except for some reason you can't copy MP3s from a USB flash drive to the 360's hard drive.
and personally I don't mind the ads on the 360. I don't know why I'd be sitting around on the dashboard to even notice them. All I really want is more organization and some folders.
I have a suspicion that MS has completely given up on Japan which would mean that the 720 won't offer me anything.
Japan gave up on MS first
microsoft should go after europe this time :punchThey'll need to try a lot harder this time around. Xbox Live wasn't even available in parts of Europe during this generation and the availability of services like Netflix is still very limited. One of the reasons that Sony is still popular here is that they put more effort into localization for all the regions where people refuse to learn English.
microsoft should go after europe this time :punch
Japan gave up on MS first
Yep. You can't really blame them when they issued Sega exclusives with the first XBox and went waaaaay out of their way to market to them with the 360 at first.
EDIT: Sometimes I wonder if the 360 has this loyal cult following in Japan. Considering how big american things usually are there when its not video games related.
no pic of new triggers? until then color me not impressed.
Looks meatier, good.
looks bigger and more rounded. Hope it stays that way!Welcome to the 'bore
I don't really see what the touch pad could be used for in that pic....doesn't make sense.
I don't really see what the touch pad could be used for in that pic....doesn't make sense.
<slide finger across touchpad to arouse Nathan Drake>
:-\
I don't really see what the touch pad could be used for in that pic....doesn't make sense.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=513310
Sony to Partner Up With Apple
Xbox 360/720/PS4/Vita cross buy
Xbox 360 game achievements also transfer over with cross-buy, might not happen because Sony and MS can't come to an agreement about the point to trophy exchange rate
MS to reveal revolutionary Durango to 360 video streaming
QuoteDurango rumors:
- They note that Microsoft has been less communicative with the editors than Sony, which would explain why we have less information about the next Xbox (this last part is my own guess)
- Out before December 2013 in the USA, announcement this semester
- You will be able to stream content from your console to another device, like Smartglass on Xbox 360, or the Wii U Controller. They refer to this as a "companion app"
- Always on, always connected. The system will download content which you will then be able to simply activate (read: buy)
- HD Kinect integrated, allowing the user to "wake up" the Xbox with a word or a specific gesture
- Microsoft wants to ban used games, but not 100% sure yet. No decision taken yet
Orbis rumors:
- Out in 2013 in the USA
- Like Durango, Orbis will allow you to stream content to another device, and Sony could even announce a partnership with Apple at E3 for this functionality to work with iPhones
- The PS4 controller will have a touchpad and a camera (their wording is a little weird here, maybe they mean the system will have a camera, not the controller...)
- Just like the Vita, there will be some "cross-buy" high-profile multiplatform games. You buy a PS3 game, you also get the PS4 version. This would also work with 360 games! A nice way to have PS4 games before even buying one. Another example is given FIFA '14: you have the 360 version and achievements; those achievements will be transfered to your PS4 account too.
- The 02/20 event will have more videos than gameplay demos
Lastly, both systems will be in the same ballpark power wise, and according to their source the rumors that are on the internet are "80% true".
(http://i42.tinypic.com/1jrbb5.jpg)
Why? Who gives a shit?
I like this. I like buying a game on Steam and being able to play it on either my Windows desktop or my MacBook. Plenty of folks have multiple consoles in the house and would like to be able to play a game in different rooms depending on the circumstances. The issue is whether they will allow multiple simultaneous instances of the same title...probably not
:lol
Yoga stuff could be directed at Nintendo though.
Notice one small thing about devkit...2 inbuilt cameras
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all home consoles implies it's for current consoles
Sony's got a little of that 90s Sega in them now.
PS4 dev kit leaked:
(http://www.destructoid.com//ul/244985-ibb.jpg)
Legit pic, from Destructoid.
We don't know any of that, but I'm gonna go ahead and give it a 99% chance that it's just a touch pad and not a screen. A screen would make the controllers too expensive. Any idiot company could figure out that putting screens on controllers just a really, really bad idea.
PS4 will stream PS3 games:
http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/15/3993970/playstation-4-will-stream-ps3-games-reports-wsj
I like this. I like buying a game on Steam and being able to play it on either my Windows desktop or my MacBook. Plenty of folks have multiple consoles in the house and would like to be able to play a game in different rooms depending on the circumstances. The issue is whether they will allow multiple simultaneous instances of the same title...probably not
I was speaking as to why someone would need to bring their 360 achievements over to the PS4.
PS4 will stream PS3 games:
http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/15/3993970/playstation-4-will-stream-ps3-games-reports-wsj
Based on my experience with PSN, I don't have a lot of confidence in Sony's ability to smoothly stream a game, but I guess we'll see.
Based on my experience with PSN, I don't have a lot of confidence in Sony's ability to smoothly stream a game, but I guess we'll see.
Passing along some info I just posted on B3D.
Xbox 3's CPU from a FLOPs perspective seems it may have as much as double the performance of "vanilla" Jaguar cores.
this***
always knew this btw, and its more than double ;)
Durango has an audio chip that needs 100 gflops of CPU power to emulate
I'm going to summarize what I know with regards to Xbox 3.
VGLeaks info has been accurate due to what the info is coming from.
- Always online/internet connection required
- No used games
- No BC
- CPU has increased performance over normal Jaguar cores.
- ~3GB and 2 CPU cores are reserved for the OS, apps, Kinect, etc.
- Xbox has a crazy (IMO) amount of hardware dedicated to audio tasks (e.g. gaming and Siri capabilities)
- Kinect is a pack in
- Same day digital releases for all games
MS can always undo always online/no used games with a service pack. They survived 3 red lights, this is nothing.
Nintendo? lol.
I bet ya that every developer out there wanted something like this for the longest time.
maybe I'm crazy but I think the console with the no used game thing will get better support from third parties. after all, it's the EAs out there who want it most.
Summarized Durango info from an insider:QuoteI'm going to summarize what I know with regards to Xbox 3.
VGLeaks info has been accurate due to what the info is coming from.
- Always online/internet connection required Dumb but not intollerable
- No used games :piss
- No BC Don't care
- CPU has increased performance over normal Jaguar cores. Ya!?
- ~3GB and 2 CPU cores are reserved for the OS, apps, Kinect, etc. Sounds excessive
- Xbox has a crazy (IMO) amount of hardware dedicated to audio tasks (e.g. gaming and Siri capabilities) my 10 watt big screen speakers don't care
- Kinect is a pack in Ya!?
- Same day digital releases for all games You mean NEXT day since it will take forever to download 30gb+ at the same time as 500,000 other people who also are trying to do this.
Ubisoft now selling third-party games on Uplay Shop and its own games on EA's Origin
By Samit Sarkar on Feb 19, 2013 at 12:00p @SamitSarkar
Ubisoft is beginning a major expansion of its digital distribution presence today: The company is now selling games from other studios and publishers through the Uplay Shop, its online store, and has also begun selling its own games through Electronic Arts' competing service, Origin.
Chris Early, Ubisoft's vice president of digital publishing, told Polygon in a recent phone interview that the simultaneous moves are being made with one principal goal: to give Uplay's 50 million users more options for buying and playing Ubisoft games.
Ubisoft launched Uplay in late 2009 alongside Assassin's Creed 2. The main part of the service, Uplay Win, gives players reward points called Uplay Units for completing in-game actions; those points are then used to purchase digital bonus content such as extra missions and weapons. Uplay also consists of Uplay Share, which lets players share user-generated content with others from within games, and Uplay Help, which offers game guides and tips. Ubisoft later added a Steam-like Uplay client for Windows PC.
The service's online storefront, the Uplay Shop, has only sold Ubisoft-published games to this point. According to Early, the Shop's opening slate of third-party titles consists of 25 games from "maybe a dozen or so [publishers]" such as Electronic Arts (Dead Space 3), Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment (the Game of the Year Edition of Batman: Arkham City) and Telltale Games (The Walking Dead)..
...
Uplay customers can pre-order third-party games through the Shop, too, such as the Limited Edition of EA's upcoming SimCity. Going forward, said Early, third-party titles "will be releasing at the same time, day and date, as all the other digital channels." And from today through March 4, anybody who buys a digital PC game that's at least $19.90 will receive a free downloadable copy of Driver: San Francisco Deluxe Edition, From Dust, Might & Magic Heroes 6 Deluxe Edition, Rayman Origins, The Settlers 7 Gold Edition or World in Conflict: Complete Edition
Yah, if you've bought a Ubisoft game since 2009, you're a uPlay user whether you like it or not.
Summarized Durango info from an insider:QuoteI'm going to summarize what I know with regards to Xbox 3.
VGLeaks info has been accurate due to what the info is coming from.
- Always online/internet connection required Dumb but not intollerable
- No used games :piss
- No BC Don't care
- CPU has increased performance over normal Jaguar cores. Ya!?
- ~3GB and 2 CPU cores are reserved for the OS, apps, Kinect, etc. Sounds excessive
- Xbox has a crazy (IMO) amount of hardware dedicated to audio tasks (e.g. gaming and Siri capabilities) my 10 watt big screen speakers don't care
- Kinect is a pack in Ya!?
- Same day digital releases for all games You mean NEXT day since it will take forever to download 30gb+ at the same time as 500,000 other people who also are trying to do this.
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Square Enix is working on a browser based Kingdom Hearts game...:'( :'( :'( :'(
That picture is going to get a lot of play over the next few weeks.
MS fucks up with Windows 8 and Xbox 3.
Apple and Sony inherit the world.
8 GB GDDR5 is ~$120.
16 GB DDR3 is <$80.
They're not at all comparable though.
loljust watch sonys e3 2006 conference
I'm imagining a meeting from Sony awarely focused on the bad stuff deliberately :lol
It depends what you want to do with it. For a home console the latter is worse.
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Play Blu-Rays instead :pimp
PS4 GPU isn't as even as fast as one 680 GTX
even with OS overhead eliminated, it's impossible to make up that big of a performance difference
running the best looking games today at 1080p/60fps maxed out or near max is no joke even on the fastest single GPU on the market
so basically, throw out 1080p and 60fps out the window
lots of shit would be running at sub 1080p or sub 60fps just like last-gen
Looks like done deal.
http://www.vg247.com/2013/02/22/microsoft-likely-to-showcase-xbox-720-in-april-reveal/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIEN4u2nH5E
:rofl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rJDn0jRnUQ
:rofl
"My name is Michael Denny and I'm proud to announce that my face is entirely rendered using Unreal Engine 3"
:lol
PS4 GPU isn't as even as fast as one 680 GTX
even with OS overhead eliminated, it's impossible to make up that big of a performance difference
running the best looking games today at 1080p/60fps maxed out or near max is no joke even on the fastest single GPU on the market
so basically, throw out 1080p and 60fps out the window
lots of shit would be running at sub 1080p or sub 60fps just like last-gen
Youre such a graphics courtesan
Hahahaha, are they really letting NEVERSOFT develop Modern Warfare 4?
hehe
There are some old rumors about Neversoft doing COD something(helping?) though.
I'm curious if it's possible to build a PC at the same price as a PS4 or Xbox 3 at launch with similar performance. We don't know the prices yet but I'm thinking $500 would be a good estimate to shoot for. Anyone have any suggestions?
I'm thinking the Gigabyte 660 Ti OC would be a decent bet for a GPU, although if the budget is $500 I'd probably have to drop down to a plain GTX 660. I'm not sure on AMD cards but they might be a better bet in terms of price/performance, OCing, and similarity to the PS4/Xbox 3 GPUs.
I literally don't even get why these gifs are funny or why they keep getting made/posted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rJDn0jRnUQI've seen more non-videogame centric people post and talk about this video more so than I ever saw about the actual PS4 reveal. Which I find rather funny.
:rofl
"My name is Michael Denny and I'm proud to announce that my face is entirely rendered using Unreal Engine 3"
:lol
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:lol
I literally don't even get why these gifs are funny or why they keep getting made/posted.
:lol at "i'm johnathan blow and explosions are shit"
I never realized RAM was the most important part of any system ever.Memory has always been a bottle neck when it comes to gaming. It's certainly not the only important component, but for the PS3 it was the limiting factor in many cases and one of the reasons the system got inferior ports.
(http://i.imgur.com/C5U3S4g.gif)Using a Nintendo character to promote Sony fanboyism seems a bit counter-intuitive.
The irony of this RAM-mania is that even high end PC games running at 1080p only take up about 1.5gb of DDR5 RAM. The only way you'll go over 2gb is if you run 1440p+ or run multiple monitors. Similarly, most PC games are still 32 bit and thus can't use much more than 1.3gb of DDR3 RAM, yet they still manage to run just fine. Only a handful of PC games like Crysis 2 and 3 have 64 bit executables.
With that in mind, I doubt going from 4gb to 8gb is going to improve framerates. It might improve pop-in, load times, texture quality, and give Sony more room for OS footprint, though.
Using a Nintendo character to promote Sony fanboyism seems a bit counter-intuitive.
Opiate dropping truth bombs and sfags keep and keep going,amazing.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=48143540#post48143540
I don't think you dudes understood my post. Sony fanbois are somehow thinking Killzone 4 is 30 fps because it was not made with 8GB DDR5 RAM in mind. In their fucked up Sony brains doubling the RAM automatically, in every game announced, doubles the framerate.
From a moderator on another well known forum...
"A friend's brother is working on a multi platform next-gen game for both Xbox and PS4, and he told us that the Xbox is definitely more powerful than the PS4, discounting the new RAM upgrade for the PS4. So the extra 4GB may make that up, but he said that in terms of power/speed, the Xbox is superior to the PS4 (so really the CPU/GPU combo). I can't confirm which game he's working on (he didn't say), and I don't want to say which studio he's at, other than it's in Canada.
I'm not a fan of either company (never owned a console that wasn't Nintendo, but don't currently own anything beside my PC), this is just information I am passing along from a developer based on the devkits they have and the specs they've been working with. "
Hot insider tip:QuoteFrom a moderator on another well known forum...
"A friend's brother is working on a multi platform next-gen game for both Xbox and PS4, and he told us that the Xbox is definitely more powerful than the PS4, discounting the new RAM upgrade for the PS4. So the extra 4GB may make that up, but he said that in terms of power/speed, the Xbox is superior to the PS4 (so really the CPU/GPU combo). I can't confirm which game he's working on (he didn't say), and I don't want to say which studio he's at, other than it's in Canada.
I'm not a fan of either company (never owned a console that wasn't Nintendo, but don't currently own anything beside my PC), this is just information I am passing along from a developer based on the devkits they have and the specs they've been working with. "
PS4's GPU is based on a Radeon 7850-7870 iirc, so it's not hard to believe MS went for something slightly more powerful. I still think they'll both look pretty much the same in the end.Can't be close when the LessBox is going to be hampered with 1 GB of last gen molasses DDR3 (with 3GB going to the OS) while the PS4 has EIGHT FULL GB of futureproof GDDR5.
sorry but without a gif to illustrate your point i'm afraid i'm quite lost sir(http://i.minus.com/iXvC4l56S3MO0.gif)
So for the initial reveal games, it will be games that have been made using 8GB DDR3 (Durango dev kits) vs games that had been made using 1.5GB GDDR5 for the PS4 (Orbis initial dev kits). Pretty interesting. Theoretically then, the Nextbox games should have more graphical flair.
This is correct. The alpha build of KZ4 was made with 4GB in mind, fast ram and very impressive.
GAF is unreadable, yes. It is much worse than when KZ2 gifs were all over the place back in 2006.
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:lol
Sony announced 8GB of GDDR5 for the PS4 and Steve Balmer is just like "Yeah, whatever."
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:lol
I don't get this at all. Explain pls?
wow team xbox evilbore already so butthurt theyre insulting ps4 whoduve thunk it ::) ::) ::)
sorry but without a gif to illustrate your point i'm afraid i'm quite lost sir(http://i.minus.com/iXvC4l56S3MO0.gif)
:-)
:-)
...15GB of which will be reserved for Facebook, Twitter, Skype, Netflix, Hulu, XBLA, Achievements, Kinect, IPTV and Windows 8
(Shoots self in face)
I'm surprised nobody has antropromorphicized (sp) the term "GDDR5" yet
I used to go there to get up-to-the-minute news, but now it's just walls of worthless shit threads like "HOW DO YOU THINK MICROSOFT WILL KNOCK IT OUT OF THE PARK?" or "DO YOU THINK PEOPLE WILL GET MOTION SICKNESS FROM 1080p 60fps GAMES???"I felt the signal to noise ratio made it not really worth bothering a few years ago, can't imagine what it's like now especially with impending new consoles. :-X
MS and Sony both wanted a unified memory architecture for their next consoles. Sony went for brute force with GDDR5, which is ending up costing them a lot of money to supply 8 GB of it. From what I remember of the rumors, MS went with DDR3 plus some esRAM and "move engines" that are supposed to assist with the bandwidth constraints.
If MS's solution costs less while providing "good enough" RAM width to run the console, rather than the pricey overkill of GDDR5, they could spend more of their budget on a better CPU/GPU and come out ahead in performance. That's assuming they didn't already blow their budget on cramming a Kinect 2 into every box. With that said, I still won't buy an Xbox 3 if it forces you to be online or forces Kinect.
MS and Sony both wanted a unified memory architecture for their next consoles. Sony went for brute force with GDDR5, which is ending up costing them a lot of money to supply 8 GB of it. From what I remember of the rumors, MS went with DDR3 plus some esRAM and "move engines" that are supposed to assist with the bandwidth constraints.
If MS's solution costs less while providing "good enough" RAM width to run the console, rather than the pricey overkill of GDDR5, they could spend more of their budget on a better CPU/GPU and come out ahead in performance. That's assuming they didn't already blow their budget on cramming a Kinect 2 into every box. With that said, I still won't buy an Xbox 3 if it forces you to be online or forces Kinect.
>50% longer memory latency for CPU/ GPU compared to PC!!!50% higher latency would mean 600 cycles for PS4 memory.
Maybe you need more ram
(Shoots self in face)
I'm surprised nobody has antropromorphicized (sp) the term "GDDR5" yet
Give it time.
wow team xbox evilbore already so butthurt theyre insulting ps4 whoduve thunk it ::) ::) ::)
whatI got the impression that you people think that more RAM will produce stable 1080p 30 fps games.
Holy shit fuck pachter
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-02-22-next-gen-software-will-pricing-hold
http://www.vg247.com/2013/02/25/ps4-will-the-next-gen-start-when-microsoft-says-it-does/You realize Xbox fans are going to join them soon enough once the realities of this upcoming gen become apparent.
I now know why I am so pro-ms this upcoming Gen. Sony fans have lost their collective shit.
-They have never been more prepaired or ready for a new console launch
-Giant leap for the industry, every step and function. "Between 8 & 10 times the power of current generation."
-No pricing on retail games set, but you may see a trend of "$69.99" at start and dropping down to $59.99 similar to the beginning of the current generation.
-Many more opportunities in "always on" connected gaming
-Not limited to current generation "1080p, 60 fps, camera IQ"
-Thrilled with the PS4 specs - the new Battlefield is stunning
we already have $70-plus games, maxy, when you factor in all this Season Pass DLC bullshit. Anything faintly AAA is gonna run you that these days. Add up BF3, Halo or COD map packs and you're well over $100 I bet
CVG has learned that EA has secured a partnership with the Xbox firm, according to accounts from two sources who wished to remain anonymous. However, neither person was certain of what EA will show, nor what the terms of the exclusivity partnership will be.
Both industry sources had different speculation on what the EA partnership would be. One claimed it might be Battlefield 4, while the other suspected that Respawn Entertainment will make a surprise appearance. Neither person works for EA or Microsoft, and so could not confirm the terms of the deal.
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Sure.Next gen we will have $70+Season Pass DLC+map packs+microtransactions at every corner+offline/online pass+tax for the stupid
we already have $70-plus games, maxy, when you factor in all this Season Pass DLC bullshit. Anything faintly AAA is gonna run you that these days. Add up BF3, Halo or COD map packs and you're well over $100 I bet
That's why I haven't gotten Borderlands 2 yet
Season pass was $60 when the game was only $30
So now the new rumor is the Xbox only has 4GB DDR3 memory?
So now the new rumor is the Xbox only has 4GB DDR3 memory?
So now the new rumor is the Xbox only has 4GB DDR3 memory?spoiler (click to show/hide)Were did you see that?[close]
There is no more RAM left in the world,Sony stole everything.Next xbox to use relays and vacuum tubes
Jesus, Uncharted is 43 gigs. I'm not ready for the digital future :'(
Jesus, Uncharted is 43 gigs. I'm not ready for the digital future :'(
holy jesus, good thing I just upgraded my 80gb because THAT WOULD NEVER FIT (you'll need 86gb free space to install it)
Also, that would totally blow my bandwidth cap
I used to go there to get up-to-the-minute news, but now it's just walls of worthless shit threads like "HOW DO YOU THINK MICROSOFT WILL KNOCK IT OUT OF THE PARK?" or "DO YOU THINK PEOPLE WILL GET MOTION SICKNESS FROM 1080p 60fps GAMES???"
Just out of curiosity,how would you people organize next gen XBL,outside of Steam pricing?In terms of how it sells games,the way it communicates with people,etc
Today when I was trying to buy Halo4,I got distracted for like 30 minutes and when I got back...Halo 4 gone,replaced by AssCreed
nooooo,wtf...search,bing,h,halo4...nice still $40,buy
Usually the first next gen FIFA installment is mediocre. This gen's FIFA didn't really get good until 10 or 11 depending on who you ask. FIFA 07 was fantastic for the PS2 but utter shit for the 360 and PS3 so. Didn't stop me from wasting hundreds of hours on 08 or 09. FIFA isn't just a hobby, it's an addiction.
gaf found this
http://www.rightnowatmicrosoft.com/xboxbeyond
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STUPID STUPID STUPID MS.
People don't need an all-in-one box. They BD player and their TV offers EVERYTHING the Xbox does except games. They just need to make a gaming console, the movies and shit are handled by smart devices now.
STUPID STUPID STUPID MS.
People don't need an all-in-one box. They BD player and their TV offers EVERYTHING the Xbox does except games. They just need to make a gaming console, the movies and shit are handled by smart devices now.
Then people won't buy it. It will fail. And Sony's approach will win. Seems like if what you believe is true then the market will speak to that.
gaf found this
http://www.rightnowatmicrosoft.com/xboxbeyond
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STUPID STUPID STUPID MS.
People don't need an all-in-one box. They BD player and their TV offers EVERYTHING the Xbox does except games. They just need to make a gaming console, the movies and shit are handled by smart devices now.
gaf found this
http://www.rightnowatmicrosoft.com/xboxbeyond
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STUPID STUPID STUPID MS.
People don't need an all-in-one box. They BD player and their TV offers EVERYTHING the Xbox does except games. They just need to make a gaming console, the movies and shit are handled by smart devices now.
Um.
Speak for yourself, yes we do. 360's are the number one netflix machine. If they put bd on there, huge bonus. It plays games too.
Sounds win win, bro. Xbox 360's and ps3s are MOSTLY used for entertainment centers now. This is a smart move by ms. Look at your friends list. On both ps3 and 360, most people will be watching netflix or hulu. If they're over 30, they will barely be playing games.
If you think this is stupid you must not have many friends on your friendslist (understandable, as it is manabyte), or you're ignorant of the market changes that have occurred on consoles the past 4 years. It is adapt or die; same rule applies in life as it does in business.
I know I for one am mainly getting the next gen systems for an entertainment box, which is why I only want one. Games are secondary for me, and I've been playing games for 20 years. Eat my shit.
Crunchyroll? Meh. Love it, but don't need an app for it. Will just do the good ol' hdmi to tv trick.
Why exactly are media features an issue? other than my PS3 for blu-ray, I never use them, but I've never felt like they were holding my consoles back. Always felt optional.
If that multitasking rumor pans out, it'll make sense. I think current consoles restrict spontaneous game playing habits. That's probably the most compelling part of Sony's vision with the PS4; making time to play nearly instant. Like, Black Ops on 360 had the option to boot straight to multiplayer. Stuff like that is smart. Numbers-wise you're saving a minute or two but that's all it takes. You gotta plan to play console games, if that makes sense. I can imagine it as part of Microsoft's vision too, just with more of a general media focus. Switch between playing a game and watching netflix in a second, then back to where you left off in the game.
That's also a problem with the Wii U. Everything is slow. The Mario game has these challenge levels that should be great for when you have a spare moment, but it takes a couple minutes just to get into them. Getting into Miiverse or your friends list takes minutes.
Why are you so anti-media, Manabyte? The message has been on the wall for over a decade!
Why exactly are media features an issue? other than my PS3 for blu-ray, I never use them, but I've never felt like they were holding my consoles back. Always felt optional.
If that multitasking rumor pans out, it'll make sense. I think current consoles restrict spontaneous game playing habits. That's probably the most compelling part of Sony's vision with the PS4; making time to play nearly instant. Like, Black Ops on 360 had the option to boot straight to multiplayer. Stuff like that is smart. Numbers-wise you're saving a minute or two but that's all it takes. You gotta plan to play console games, if that makes sense. I can imagine it as part of Microsoft's vision too, just with more of a general media focus. Switch between playing a game and watching netflix in a second, then back to where you left off in the game.
That's also a problem with the Wii U. Everything is slow. The Mario game has these challenge levels that should be great for when you have a spare moment, but it takes a couple minutes just to get into them. Getting into Miiverse or your friends list takes minutes.
I think Microsoft is focusing on media features because they know they low-balled the hardware. So they need to use media features to distract people from the games and instead try to sell the system as an all-in-one box that happens to be able to play some games that may not look as good as the competition.
Why exactly are media features an issue? other than my PS3 for blu-ray, I never use them, but I've never felt like they were holding my consoles back. Always felt optional.
If that multitasking rumor pans out, it'll make sense. I think current consoles restrict spontaneous game playing habits. That's probably the most compelling part of Sony's vision with the PS4; making time to play nearly instant. Like, Black Ops on 360 had the option to boot straight to multiplayer. Stuff like that is smart. Numbers-wise you're saving a minute or two but that's all it takes. You gotta plan to play console games, if that makes sense. I can imagine it as part of Microsoft's vision too, just with more of a general media focus. Switch between playing a game and watching netflix in a second, then back to where you left off in the game.
That's also a problem with the Wii U. Everything is slow. The Mario game has these challenge levels that should be great for when you have a spare moment, but it takes a couple minutes just to get into them. Getting into Miiverse or your friends list takes minutes.
I think Microsoft is focusing on media features because they know they low-balled the hardware. So they need to use media features to distract people from the games and instead try to sell the system as an all-in-one box that happens to be able to play some games that may not look as good as the competition.
And I think you are playing psychic and don't actually know what you are talking about but then hey that is what forums are about. It's been obvious for years now that MS has been moving faster and quicker in this direction than the other console manufacturers. MS wants an all one in box because they want an all in one box to compete with apple.
Sony was doing it too with the PS3. Despite what Himuro thinks, according to Netflix the PS3 is the top streaming device.
But with the PS4, while it'll have all of the same media features as the PS3 except audio CDs, they're focusing on GAMES. They had Cerny design the damn thing and got input from their first parties. Sony isn't focusing on being a set top box anymore, as they manufacture Smart TVs and Smart BD players. They are well aware that people don't need an all-in-one box anymore in the modern world of everything including your toaster having an Internet connection.
Sony was doing it too with the PS3. Despite what Himuro thinks, according to Netflix the PS3 is the top streaming device.
But with the PS4, while it'll have all of the same media features as the PS3 except audio CDs, they're focusing on GAMES. They had Cerny design the damn thing and got input from their first parties. Sony isn't focusing on being a set top box anymore, as they manufacture Smart TVs and Smart BD players. They are well aware that people don't need an all-in-one box anymore in the modern world of everything including your toaster having an Internet connection.
Then give me predictions then since based on this Sony is right and MS is wrong. I get that you disagree with their philosophy and that's fine. Leave it to a personal I don't want an all one in box and I prefer the Sony approach. I don't have an issue with this. But you are taking it a step further into one company is making a bad business decision and the other is making the correct business decision then which is far more predictive. Even though that should make you happy because the bad business decision will also validate what you want to see in a console. So how bad is MS going to do next gen in the US and the world relative to Sony so I have something to bookmark for the future and fact check to?
People don't need an all-in-one box
QuotePeople don't need an all-in-one box
Sure,but they expect it.
Jesus, Uncharted is 43 gigs. I'm not ready for the digital future :'(Quote(http://media.psnstores.com/435gb.jpg)Sure.Next gen we will have $70+Season Pass DLC+map packs+microtransactions at every corner+offline/online pass+tax for the stupid
On the plus side I bet a lot more games follow the Uncharted and subscription MMO route and go free to play after ~9 months.
this stuff affects you in some way?
why is harry knowles holding an xbox
As you might have seen in our second episode of On The Verge, our own Joshua Topolsky recently toured Microsoft's Building 99, where the company conducts a variety of wild research. Today we're pleased to share a look at Kinect Fusion and Lightspace — two technologies that bridge the physical and virtual worlds with sensors and imaging.
Kinect Fusion is a system that uses the Kinect's sensors to create an interactive, real-time 3D model of the environment — the demonstration shows virtual balls bouncing around on the objects captured and rendered directly from the real world. (It's not the first time we've seen the Kinect used for 3D modeling, but it's nice to see an official effort.) Microsoft's Kevin Schofield is quick to point out that the $150 Kinect sensor can accomplish the same tasks as industrial versions of the technology that cost about $50,000.
Lightspace works in the opposite direction: with a combination of depth cameras and projectors, it can create linked interactive screens on different surfaces. In the video, principal researcher Andy Wilson demonstrates how objects projected on a table can be moved around, re-sized, and even carried to another display using his hands. It's something you have to see to really understand, so fire up that video.
I can't see MS outright blocking used games but they, Sony and the third parties will do all they can to make things as annoying for people who do. Especially with MP centric titles.
1.Insert disc,press install
2.Wait 10 minutes to install
3.Press play
4.There is a patch available,patch the game yes or no?
5.Start playing
Quote1.Insert disc,press install
2.Wait 10 minutes to install
3.Press play
4.There is a patch available,patch the game yes or no?
5.Start playing
spoiler : someone has hollowed out your X360 and put a PS3 in the case.
10 minute install? Are you actually installing everything to disk? or did i miss some new shit?
Quote1.Insert disc,press install
2.Wait 10 minutes to install
3.Press play
4.There is a patch available,patch the game yes or no?
5.Start playing
spoiler : someone has hollowed out your X360 and put a PS3 in the case.
10 minute install? Are you actually installing everything to disk? or did i miss some new shit?
-instantly ready, maintains constant internet connection,console and software is always up to date
-large hard drive,all games installed,play from optical disc not supported,disc media just for distribution
We've got a lot of tech wizards at the bore, but man, some of you suck at reading between the lines, heh.They're in the "denial" phase of grief.
We've got a lot of tech wizards at the bore, but man, some of you suck at reading between the lines, heh.
-large hard drive,all games installed,play from optical disc not supported,disc media just for distribution
Hello there anti used games DRM!
it'd be a pretty genious idea if they did manage to get Steam on it as the online platform and with full BC for all steam games but:Yeah,Gabe would be the key component here.
A: Gabe still hates Microshit
B: Microshit still loves money
not going ot happen
Probably a higher chance of Origin appearing on Durpgaygo
MS and Sony could still allow publishers the choice of blocking used games or not, rather than forcing it on every game.
The two main reasons I bought a 360 were for some of the JP exclusives (Cave games) and the fact that most multiplat games ran slightly better on it. Take away those two reasons and there's little reason for me to buy an Xbox 3, esp. if they are going full steam ahead with Kinect and online BS.
Feels like Sony could go that way. MS seems like they're going to have it across the board if rumours be true.
Hint: when the same "rumours" show up at multiple sources, they aren't really rumours.
So Chinese conglomerate Tencent bought a ~50% share of Epic for $330 million last fall (http://www.polygon.com/2013/3/21/4131702/tencents-epic-games-stock-acquisition). Apparently quite a few senior employees have left (CliffyB, Mike Capps, etc). Whether or not that's related to the Tencent investment is unknown.
Do you guys think that the Tencent investment will have any overarching effect on next gen? I personally question Tencent because, outside of Infinity Blade, the games Epic makes don't quite gel with what Tencent specializes in.
and yet we're all still drowning in awesome games everywhere
and yet we're all still drowning in awesome games everywhere
do you work for kickstarter?
let's kickstart a Kickstarter to get Great Rumbler a job on Kickstarter
The ps4 footage didn't count?
If you already have a good PC, next gen looks like much ado about nothing with a heaping side of anti-consumerism. There better be some killer console exclusive games on these systems.
Wrong thread?No,this is usual Spring sale but MS is lately having lots of digital sales,big discounts.
My theory is that they are clearing them up before people realize they won't be backward compatible with Durango.
If you only read one gaming statistic this week, let it be this one: In a pre-conference survey, GDC 2013′s organizers found that 58 percent of gaming professionals attending either last year’s conference or this one plan to release their next game on smartphones or tablets.
Generations beyond ARM performancehttp://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-surface-pro-review
Prepare for a tablet experience that's far faster and much smoother than anything you've worked with before. Probably the most impressive thing about Surface Pro is that, couched purely in terms of component performance, we're looking at a device that boasts a 10x jump in performance in many areas over the best of the ARM offerings. CPU, graphics core, RAM and storage are way beyond the capabilities of a conventional tablet and it shows.
Omigod can you even imagine how long it would take a standard laptop HDD to actually FILL 16GB of RAM
MS proved with Windows 8 that they're willing to throw their longtime existing customers under the bus in search of new and greater profit. The next Xbox will probably follow that philosophy, esp. considering that both the PC desktop and console market are shrinking.
Mj I can do everything I did on previous windows versions with windows 8.In terms of what? Installing additional software for functionality? Or just the default installation with nothing added?
Everything. I went from vista to 8. 8 is 7 with its own separate start screen. Boo hoo. Ms have alienated every windows user by doing this.
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PC's will be 3x stronger than the ps4 and 6x the xbox 720 from the get go. I'm sticking with the pc.
W8 is worse then vista.
I don't hate Windows 8, but I do agree that many of the changes to the GUI are downright stupid to use on a desktop PC. For tablets with touchscreens they make more sense.
Sony, he said, approached AMD based on the company's track record with the Xbox 360, Wii and other consoles, effectively skipping over Nvidia, which provided the chips for the PS3.
"[Sony's] approach - and they've said this publicly over the last couple of days here at GDC - was, 'We looked at some of the ways that we approached hardware in the past, and we wanted to improve.' And they looked at us as being able as being able to provide that."
AMD could provide an integrated solution through its APU that Nvidia couldn't, he continued, by optimizing information flows, generating greater performance, better power and heat efficiency, and by providing tools and dev relationships to provide the PS4 a strong launch.
In a recent interview with TechRadar, Nvidia's Tony Tamasi sized up the PS4's specs to "a low-end CPU, and a low- to mid-range GPU" when compared to gaming PCs. The console's innards, Tamasi said, are outdated even now, months before the PS4 launches during the 2013 holiday season.
"Well, of course they're going to do that," Robison said with a laugh when told of the comparison. "They're a little bitter."
8 does boot hella fast
PC's will be 3x stronger than the ps4 and 6x the xbox 720 from the get go. I'm sticking with the pc.
MS party at GDC
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QuotePC's will be 3x stronger than the ps4 and 6x the xbox 720 from the get go. I'm sticking with the pc.
.... And the WiiU at 352gflops puts PCs at 15-16x - guess you'll be holding off on that as well ?
I do. I keep them bored so they'll get the fuck out of my house quickerQuotePC's will be 3x stronger than the ps4 and 6x the xbox 720 from the get go. I'm sticking with the pc.
.... And the WiiU at 352gflops puts PCs at 15-16x - guess you'll be holding off on that as well ?
I meant for multi platform even if the game in consolised. I buy a system if there are good exclusives on it. And i have been holding off on the wii, will only buy one if i can get a couple of good games on it, for when the kids of relatives come over. I dont like them looking bored when they come over.
Controllers for the next Xbox as well as prototype versions of both Microsoft's new, powerful console and the machine's new, mandatory Kinect sensor have been in the hands of game creators since last month. But that's not much of a surprise. What is a surprise is that all of that gear is covered in criss-crossing, radiating black and white stripes. The console codenamed Durango currently looks like a zebra.
The controller, according to Kotaku sources, actually seems quite similar to the current Xbox 360 one. Same two analog sticks in the same upper-left/lower-right position, same positioning of the d-pad and face buttons and forward and back buttons. Triggers. Bumpers. Top-center power button. It all seems to be the same, though we can't tell if any of these buttons have been improved--if, say, the d-pad responds more crisply, if the triggers pull more deeply, and so on. The new controller, as we reported more than a year ago, is apparently a little smaller than the existing 360 one. It's still the same basic shape, perhaps with refined contours. It's more or less what people are used to.
The new controller doesn't have any major new input interfaces either, from what we understand. No new buttons and certainly no added screen like the Wii U controller has nor a baked-in touchpad like the PS4's.
I honestly don't know but I think that's where innovation comes from. Maybe there is no significant new thing that can be added but I'm just surprised nobody has really thought of anything significant to add to the core gaming controller experience in such a long time.
What kind of control innovation do you want then? For me the last thing I actually wanted was the VMU. Add a VMU like screen onto a dual shock and im happy forever
I honestly don't know but I think that's where innovation comes from. Maybe there is no significant new thing that can be added but I'm just surprised nobody has really thought of anything significant to add to the core gaming controller experience in such a long time.
Whether or not it'll benefit the core gaming experience is up in the air but the major addition this time around is the near-standardization of a camera. The next Xbox controller could also have motion sensors like the PS3 controller. Both have been complimentary to standard controls, but who knows how it'll turn out now.
All I'm imagining are more games with lean/peak and other rudimentary controller tracking operations.
Raines told GamesIndustry International last week following the GameStop earnings call that he's very excited for next-gen, and he's especially eager for Microsoft to take the wraps off its next-gen Xbox.
"We've been spending a lot of time with Microsoft, but we have to let them take the lead on this, but it will be a very hot, compelling device. They are doing some really cool stuff, and I'm eager to hear them start their announcements because I think the world is going to stand up and take notice," Raines commented.
The shoulder tap heard round the (RPG playing) world. Many fanboy asses were damaged that day.
The shoulder tap heard round the (RPG playing) world. Many fanboy asses were damaged that day.
We all know how that game panned out but oh Jesus Christ the tears. The best part was I knew it was coming and baited a whole bunch of fools beforehand
when i look at that 1up thing, all i can really think is that sega promised, microsoft delivered
:bow microsoft :bow2
:piss sega :piss2
"Unless something has changed recently," one of the sources told us over email, "Durango consumer units must have an active internet connection to be used."
"If there isn't a connection, no games or apps can be started," the source continued. "If the connection is interrupted then after a period of time--currently three minutes, if I remember correctly--the game/app is suspended and the network troubleshooter started."
Some sources told us that they believed that the Durango development kit required an online connection so that Microsoft could keep tabs on them and update them with new, ever-evolving firmware. Others weren't sure.
A few weeks ago, we heard from one reliable industry source who told us about a Durango developer making a game that would use an always-online connection for gameplay purposes, to constantly be able to share game data back and forth. It wasn't clear, though, if this indicated the Durango's capacity to be always online--Nintendo's Wii had its own optional 24/7 always-online mode--or if the online connection was a must.
That said, a caution and a caveat: other sources familiar with the codenamed Durango console have told us that they are still unaware of any Microsoft plans regarding an online requirement. No one has been able to say it's not true and some have speculated that this is required at the operating system level and therefore isn't something Microsoft has to tell all developers or retail partners. Microsoft also has the ability to change this type of requirement seemingly at a moment's notice through changes in firmware or networking infrastructure.
The new confirmation we've heard from sources, including the specifics about how the Durango would handle a dropped connection, bolster our confidence that all this smoke is a sign of some fiery facts.
But why would they do this?
Every person we've talked to about the always-online connection, internally and externally, has been incredulous. They predict a fiasco. They detect hubris in a Microsoft riding high off of the Xbox 360's incredible post-Kinect sales performance. But they also detect, as I have, an intensified interest in Microsoft's part to position the next Xbox as an entertainment device, to not emphasize games as significantly as they had with past Microsoft consoles. Add that to far shakier rumors of the next Xbox working as a cable box or DVR or some other TV-viewing enabler--something not a single source of mine could confirm--and you might wonder: if my cable box always has to be connected, why not my next Xbox?
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Nah..
Is that one of those nasty surprises you were talking about? :teehee
Nah..
Is that one of those nasty surprises you were talking about? :teehee
That is just catching up to PC.
Nah..
Is that one of those nasty surprises you were talking about? :teehee
That is just catching up to PC.
Steam games can be played offline.
Nah..
Is that one of those nasty surprises you were talking about? :teehee
That is just catching up to PC.
Steam games can be played offline.
So I don't get many inside scoop honestly and I'll never put my GAF account at risk so take it with more than a grain of salt but my good friend at Treyarch, the one who told me about COD:blops2 back in the wust days when it wasn't announced yet, told me that:
online connection is indeed required to start games for the first time
kinect integration like manu navigation is mandatory for every game but it's actually done at system level
used games are not blocked per se
Hardly breaking-news info but I thought maybe someone would have been interested in such speculation nontheless
What does "per se" mean? You can buy used games, but you have to buy a $10 used-game pass?
What does "per se" mean? You can buy used games, but you have to buy a $10 used-game pass?
Block used sales for certain period of time,1-3 months.It'll be funny if that actually ended up destroying pre-orders completely. "I'll buy it when it's out-out", the new "I'll wait for the GOTY version with all the DLC." (That didn't actually happen, did it? Yeah...) Hey, maybe we're gonna get useful reviews too, haha... Sigh.
Block used sales for certain period of time,1-3 months.It'll be funny if that actually ended up destroying pre-orders completely. "I'll buy it when it's out-out", the new "I'll wait for the GOTY version with all the DLC." (That didn't actually happen, did it? Yeah...) Hey, maybe we're gonna get useful reviews too, haha... Sigh.
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Adam Orth
Microsoft Studios
Creative Director and Designer passionate about crafting immersive, interactive digital entertainment experiences through original and world-class intellectual properties.
Adam Orth
Microsoft Studios
Creative Director and Designer passionate about crafting immersive, interactive digital entertainment experiences through original and world-class intellectual properties.
Oh look, it's "I've been coddled in the suburbs my whole life and have literally no nuanced perspective of the world" tech industry guy.
Oh look, it's "I've been coddled in the suburbs my whole life and have literally no nuanced perspective of the world" tech industry guy.
Don't worry. MS will eat crow when this hits the fan. Always does. USA - their biggest audience - does not have the online infrastructure to support this. You've made your grave MS. Third console curse continues.
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Don't these people ever attend communication seminars? Stuff like this is basically the worst PR possible.More people with business-related twitters need to attend a STFU seminar.
he locked his tweets. oh fuck, suddenly everything he said was wiped from the collective consciousness b/c he locked it ::)
Dude, what about EUROPE?
Another excellent point raised by GAF of all people
If this thing requires an online connection to play, does that mean our deployed troops are all buying PS4 next generation?
Another excellent point raised by GAF of all people
If this thing requires an online connection to play, does that mean our deployed troops are all buying PS4 next generation?
Another excellent point raised by GAF of all people
If this thing requires an online connection to play, does that mean our deployed troops are all buying PS4 next generation?
why would anybody join the army? /orthy
Boy, I really wanted my winning streak to end on this one.
This guy needs AT LEAST a pie in the face at the next public gathering he attends. E3 isn't too far off, you'd better not disappoint me with your revengeance, people of the internets.People of the internets have enough trouble mumbling at Gamestop employees when buying Uguu Panty Quest XXVII and Mario's ADHD Bouncy Time. Don't expect much IRL retribution. :P
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So lending out/borrowing games won't be possible if all this turns out to be true?
So lending out/borrowing games won't be possible if all this turns out to be true?
Seems so. Better get that second job Beezy.
What part of this is driven by dashboard ads? Is that any kind of significant revenue yet? (I suspect it isn't really, which makes their prevalence more infuriating, not less...).
Boy, I really wanted my winning streak to end on this one.
Seems maxy might owe you an apology :lol
Hope they show this thing soon since everywhere might explode at this rate
The tweets are the top story on Reddit. Maybe he can go make XBLA Avatar clothes with bishoptl when MS axes him.:dead
who is that fool
i mean, all my devices, from PC to Kindle, are 'always on' as well but it's incredibly dumb to extrapolate out from your own personal situation like that
An always connected console doesn't bother me. My 360 is always connected to the internet and the only time my internet goes down is during hurricanes or something.
The attitude of that guy is very dumb though and MS should tell him to shut up quickly and apologize. Not everybody is in my position and his arrogant attitude makes him sound like a moron.
Boy, I really wanted my winning streak to end on this one.
Seems maxy might owe you an apology :lol
Hope they show this thing soon since everywhere might explode at this rate
It's not over till it's over.
G stuff sounds interesting.
Someone please kill that twitter guy, thanks
You know what you guys are just being a bunch of babies about this whole situation.(http://i.imgur.com/DCswOul.gif)
It's really not as horrible as you guys are making it out to be. You need to remember this isn't just a next gen gaming console. It's a platform for entertainment and will be used by cable/satellite companies to sell you on their services. Just as XBL brought us out of the online ghetto's this platform will be used as a stepping stone into consumers homes. It's a compelling product from a design stand point. Not cause it's an always on device, but cause it's what most people are missing in their homes right now. Which is a connected space for all of their content be it web/games/tv. It's an ingenious and grand plan if they can pull it off. I just hope its not another webtv disaster personally.
I've had my hands on an iteration of both of the new consoles by sony and M$. My personal feeling is that they are both innovating, but not in the same spaces directly so as to not compete with one another as much next gen. I think that the cost discrepancy between sony and M$ is gonna be very interesting.I don't see people slowing down on buying current gen console's until the prices come down on the next gen. And that's where M$ is gonna kill the market, they are gonna make it so attractive an offer to get you hooked that it's gonna pick up whatever sales there will be for sometime. M$ plans of using a subsidization model as well as cable/satellite companies to push their console may not seem like a threat, but with more home's not buying a WiiU (they don't even know what one is) they'll be looking for the next best thing and for many of them it will be a new Xbox. Sony has it's hardcore gaming elite's which they will rely on to support them through the growing pains of a very expensive console. But after a drop in price it will pick up eventually just like it did with the PS3.
Given that legally I cannot confirm or deny if this information is true, nor can I comment on rumor or speculation, all I can say is be sure to pay your ISP bills.
http://www.xboxlivescore.com/profile/Mr-Lake
http://www.mobygames.com/developer/s...operId,126367/
This guy.
http://www.linkedin.com/in/nickmohilchock
Working here :
http://www.theworkshop.us.com/about.php
I'm gonna go hug my shitty PC.
You know what you guys are just being a bunch of babies about this whole situation.
It's really not as horrible as you guys are making it out to be. You need to remember this isn't just a next gen gaming console. It's a platform for entertainment and will be used by cable/satellite companies to sell you on their services. Just as XBL brought us out of the online ghetto's this platform will be used as a stepping stone into consumers homes. It's a compelling product from a design stand point. Not cause it's an always on device, but cause it's what most people are missing in their homes right now. Which is a connected space for all of their content be it web/games/tv. It's an ingenious and grand plan if they can pull it off. I just hope its not another webtv disaster personally.
I've had my hands on an iteration of both of the new consoles by sony and M$. My personal feeling is that they are both innovating, but not in the same spaces directly so as to not compete with one another as much next gen. I think that the cost discrepancy between sony and M$ is gonna be very interesting.I don't see people slowing down on buying current gen console's until the prices come down on the next gen. And that's where M$ is gonna kill the market, they are gonna make it so attractive an offer to get you hooked that it's gonna pick up whatever sales there will be for sometime. M$ plans of using a subsidization model as well as cable/satellite companies to push their console may not seem like a threat, but with more home's not buying a WiiU (they don't even know what one is) they'll be looking for the next best thing and for many of them it will be a new Xbox. Sony has it's hardcore gaming elite's which they will rely on to support them through the growing pains of a very expensive console. But after a drop in price it will pick up eventually just like it did with the PS3.
But maybe we're all just not seeing it because we didn't get the marketing syrup poured directly into our ear like you did.
Not in any way criticizing anyone for the mirth and humor this has provided, but it would be unfortunate if this affects his career at MS. I aways feel horrible when I get a laugh out of others' misery.
Kinda :lol and :-\ in a big ol' :hump competition. What are ya gonna do but hang your head, in between bouts of laughter? Ugh. lol.
"always online" consoles could very well flop
You know what you guys are just being a bunch of babies about this whole situation.
It's really not as horrible as you guys are making it out to be. You need to remember this isn't just a next gen gaming console. It's a platform for entertainment and will be used by cable/satellite companies to sell you on their services. Just as XBL brought us out of the online ghetto's this platform will be used as a stepping stone into consumers homes. It's a compelling product from a design stand point. Not cause it's an always on device, but cause it's what most people are missing in their homes right now. Which is a connected space for all of their content be it web/games/tv. It's an ingenious and grand plan if they can pull it off. I just hope its not another webtv disaster personally.
Well, right off the hop, this move is completely ceding Japan. Not really a big loss for MS, but they did make some progress with the 360 in Japan. This is going to undo all of that. This move also basically alienates people in areas with poor/no internet. Large parts of the US, large parts of Canada, large parts of Europe, and those are basically the good news countries. Cable/satellite companies already sell their own boxes to sell you their own services. Why on earth would they want to share with Microsoft? I mean, sure, I see the grand plan. It's the same grand plan Sony and Microsoft have been chasing for the last two gens. Big plans amount to shit fuck all without execution, and they're basically starting the race with a broken foot by snubbing most of the world. Combined with Microsoft's historical success rate with "grand plans", I don't see why we should be confident here.
But maybe we're all just not seeing it because we didn't get the marketing syrup poured directly into our ear like you did.
Don't be so sure,millions and millions play COD,BF3,etc 24/7 online,tons of them never even touch SP.Nothing changes for them,mandatory online or not.You know what's ironic? Consoles are having their lunch eaten by smartphones and tablets, but if your smartphone loses service, the single player game you're playing isn't suddenly interrupted.
But what about SP peasants,how to make them pay for Gold?
maxy, if call of duty maintains its popularity from xbox 360 to the new console (a fairly big if in and of itself), you're looking at about 5 million people who play online for any decent amount of time. you know what building a console around 5 million people leads to? the gamecube.
How much value are consumers not connected to the Internet though?
How much value are consumers not connected to the Internet though?Close to zero especially if you buy used.
Well, I suppose it makes patching bugs way easier, that's about the only thing I can think of. I'm sure the spin patrols on both console teams will have a list of why all this makes life easier for the consumer and finally makes The Jetsons a reality in your living room, but it's really only about 4 things:
1. Encouraging you to pay for one of their tiered online packages.
2. Serving you advertisements.
3. In-game purchases ala smartphone games.
4. Getting a cut of or eliminating the used game market.
QuoteHow much value are consumers not connected to the Internet though?Close to zero especially if you buy used.
Well, I suppose it makes patching bugs way easier, that's about the only thing I can think of. I'm sure the spin patrols on both console teams will have a list of why all this makes life easier for the consumer and finally makes The Jetsons a reality in your living room, but it's really only about 4 things:
1. Encouraging you to pay for one of their tiered online packages.
2. Serving you advertisements.
3. In-game purchases ala smartphone games.
4. Getting a cut of or eliminating the used game market.
QuoteHow much value are consumers not connected to the Internet though?Close to zero especially if you buy used.
untruebut it's that kind of thinking which is gonna make next gen vastly entertaining for me!
- still buy the console
- even people who predominantly buy used occasionally buy new games
- still buy peripherals and accessories
dynamic in-game advertising set to make a huge comeback!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW28VSmXnCo
lol at the end
:rofl :rofl :rofl
I am fine with this ONLY IF Microsoft/publishers is willing to give us CHEAP full download digital games like Steam later in the life cycle of games after new release. Even selling games at $5-10 later on just like Steam, Microsoft/publishers will make TONS MORE MONEY and developers will get PAID.
MS should do the same with Win8 and Office.
lots of people might, but lots of people don't have a choice. if it doesn't work without internet, it doesn't work for them. microsoft are clearly betting that enough of their customers are in both the "have a choice" group and the "will choose microsoft" group (this is where you lose Himu) to make up for losing literally most of the world as a potential market.
i just don't see it working out.
I never cease to be amazed that people in prominent positions at major corporations decide that it's okay to show outright contempt for their customers in such a public way.
I'm all for it in private, of course, but an unprotected Tweet on Twitter is about as public as you can get..
lots of people might, but lots of people don't have a choice. if it doesn't work without internet, it doesn't work for them. microsoft are clearly betting that enough of their customers are in both the "have a choice" group and the "will choose microsoft" group (this is where you lose Himu) to make up for losing literally most of the world as a potential market.
i just don't see it working out.
???
I doubt Himu would ignore mandatory online GTA6.
I sure as fuck would. I ignored Sim City, I will ignore GTA. GTA would never do that because who plays GTA for solely multi anyways? Are you bananas Max? And online only GTA? Are you fucking stupid?
None of this really bothers me. But I can see how it would bother others. *shrug* And i think people are delusional if they think the PS4 won't be extremely similar.
None of this really bothers me. But I can see how it would bother others. *shrug* And i think people are delusional if they think the PS4 won't be extremely similar.
It is all we got at this point. Personally if I were given the option I'd got PC and handheld only. But as a Japanese game fan that is an impossibility so I'm forced into buying one of the consoles. Sony has already said their system isn't online only. Given their past with psn being shit I'm inclined to believe them. This leaves me with no other option.
None of this really bothers me. But I can see how it would bother others. *shrug* And i think people are delusional if they think the PS4 won't be extremely similar.
It is all we got at this point. Personally if I were given the option I'd got PC and handheld only. But as a Japanese game fan that is an impossibility so I'm forced into buying one of the consoles. Sony has already said their system isn't online only. Given their past with psn being shit I'm inclined to believe them. This leaves me with no other option.
I sure as fuck would. I ignored Sim City, I will ignore GTA. GTA would never do that because who plays GTA for solely multi anyways? Are you bananas Max? And online only GTA? Are you fucking stupid?
I'm not thinking about multiplayer as you know it today.Think something like Destiny,something designed from the ground up with mandatory online in mind.Ever evolving City and who knows what kind of shit that some crazy game designer dreams about.Full "SP experience" but with fundamental parts running on some server,updated to you in real-time.Not traditional multiplayer,not traditional MMO...something different
None of this really bothers me. But I can see how it would bother others. *shrug* And i think people are delusional if they think the PS4 won't be extremely similar.
It is all we got at this point. Personally if I were given the option I'd got PC and handheld only. But as a Japanese game fan that is an impossibility so I'm forced into buying one of the consoles. Sony has already said their system isn't online only. Given their past with psn being shit I'm inclined to believe them. This leaves me with no other option.
Real talk: let's name the quality Japanese games that are console only from the past five years
(oh shit, I just asked SHAMOO FAN NUMERO UNO to name quality games, this could get dicey)
Holy shit the MS warriors are going nuts on gaf :lol
This guy is 6+ levels away from Ballmer, works on "2WAY TV", and has one person reporting to him. He's a nobody, and after today, will probably be less than a nobody.
But his thoughtless tweets on his personal Twitter account and his "Creative Director" title are making people think he's actually important and influential. Thankfully he's not.
Is this big news in the office today?
Kind of. Lots of angry people on the mailing lists - both because of the alleged internet requirement (which no one but those who need to know would know about) and because of how tactless this guy was.
Looking at his position in the hierarchy, he probably wouldn't even know if there was an internet requirement if there was one.
I really havent looked at the threads closely but this level of bargaining this early is amazing lolHoly shit the MS warriors are going nuts on gaf :lol
Choice quotes? I hate digging through threads for gold.
My xbox 360, Wii, Wii U, PS3 have always been connected online, so I don't see the big deal. All those features people here tout about with the PS4 will require online, so isn't that essentially always connected?
I sure as fuck would. I ignored Sim City, I will ignore GTA. GTA would never do that because who plays GTA for solely multi anyways? Are you bananas Max? And online only GTA? Are you fucking stupid?
I'm not thinking about multiplayer as you know it today.Think something like Destiny,something designed from the ground up with mandatory online in mind.Ever evolving City and who knows what kind of shit that some crazy game designer dreams about.Full "SP experience" but with fundamental parts running on some server,updated to you in real-time.Not traditional multiplayer,not traditional MMO...something different
Let me get this straight.
You expect Rockstar.
The company that refuses a create a character editor for ANY OF THEIR TITLES because they prefer to ground a game around one central character...including setting and locales....
To craft a game around an "every evolving city" and always on drm multi player?
Do you realize how idiotic you sound right now? Do you not realize there is no precedent for this?
EDIT 2lol incredible.
Am I lying to myself or Are PC's always online? (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=535281)
EDIT 2lol incredible.
Am I lying to myself or Are PC's always online? (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=535281)
Back in the ps2 days "lots of people" were not laughing at the notion of online gaming. Anyone with taste had already invested time into Counterstrike, Ever quest, or FFXI on PC, xbox live, or dream cast online games. People laughed at sony's paltry SUPPORT for online gaming such as requiring to buy the hdd add on to play FFXI. Online gaming has been big since games like WCII.Since when people with taste dictated anything or were considered important?
As for the rest of your post.
2050? Really? I will be dead by then if Im lucky. Why the fuck should I take your posts seriously? They're all over the place.
Watch_Dogs and AC4 are also rumored to have a persistent connection requirement? Can buy Watch_Dogs having one, iffy on AC requiring online. — superannuation
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The thing I fear is a prohibition on used games; or a fee-based system for activation. I'm not much of a collector; I sell most of my games when I'm done. Also, Gamefly used games can be a fantastic deal; purchased Darkness II cheap, for example. And I've recently discovered renting from Redbox. Rayman Origins: yeah, a game worth owning. Uncharted 3: great game, but not something I feel the urge to replay.Well,G said that you can unlock the game at request.Whatever that means...
It'd be a huge annoyance if I couldn't easily sell or rent games I'm not keen on keeping. Of course, collecting would also presumably be made more difficult. Maybe that'll be obviated by digital delivery, anyway. Dunno.
Yeah, it'd suck. :yuck
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If I were Jwong, I would've done the early 2000s equivalent of that at that moment :lol
We apologize for the inappropriate comments made by an employee on Twitter yesterday. This person is not a spokesperson for Microsoft, and his personal views do not reflect the customer centric approach we take to our products or how we would communicate directly with our loyal consumers. We are very sorry if this offended anyone, however we have not made any announcements about our product roadmap, and have no further comment on this matter."
Twitter is the worst thing ever invented.A toast to that.
Too late for that,purgatory awaits him.QuoteWe apologize for the inappropriate comments made by an employee on Twitter yesterday. This person is not a spokesperson for Microsoft, and his personal views do not reflect the customer centric approach we take to our products or how we would communicate directly with our loyal consumers. We are very sorry if this offended anyone, however we have not made any announcements about our product roadmap, and have no further comment on this matter."
Twitter is the worst thing ever invented.
Too late for that,purgatory awaits him.QuoteWe apologize for the inappropriate comments made by an employee on Twitter yesterday. This person is not a spokesperson for Microsoft, and his personal views do not reflect the customer centric approach we take to our products or how we would communicate directly with our loyal consumers. We are very sorry if this offended anyone, however we have not made any announcements about our product roadmap, and have no further comment on this matter."
Twitter is the worst thing ever invented.
Kinda feels sorry for the MS dude.He's just trying to relay the company message with the required euphemistic language, "always on." He's just not very tactful or good at it (probably an assburger).
If I were Jwong, I would've done the early 2000s equivalent of that at that moment :lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsgRnBazeSY
Kinda feels sorry for the MS dude. Hope he didn't ruin his career over some dumb tweets he thought no one would care about
We apologize for the inappropriate comments made by an employee on Twitter yesterday. This person is not a spokesperson for Microsoft, and his personal views do not reflect the customer centric approach we take to our products or how we would communicate directly with our loyal consumers. We are very sorry if this offended anyone, however we have not made any announcements about our product roadmap, and have no further comment on this matter."
How is twitter the worst thing ever if it has single handedly crafted this beautiful saga?
Twitter is fine, dude just need to learn to shut the fuck up about his job.
reddit is far worse, as it suffers from terrible designYou can at least follow a conversation without third party apps.
who cares what your content is if you look like a distinguished mentally-challenged sixth grader coded you
Following a conversation on twitter is easy. Simply click view conversation.Meh. You still get to scroll past every response separately if you look at the entire feed and you're only getting one side of every conversation unless you expand them all. Of course that's intentional and probably works better if you follow everyone involved, but... I just don't like it. [/old man]
We shunned RSS feeds before twitter...:stahp
The invisible hand of the market will help him find a new job.
Both Twitter and Reddit are fine.
William Cole • 7 hours ago −
Great article man, great article. I just know Nintendo will make it through this time of trouble and doubt. This isn't the first time Nintendo as been blatantly doubted by the public.
The NES was sold door to door by the desperate company, the SNES's speed was made fun of, the DS was dubbed stupid after being released, the Wii was said to be Nintendo's last console, the 3DS was foretold to sink Nintendo all together, and here we are 25 years of consoles later at the Wii U and as we all know, history repeats itself. Nintendo is bound to succeed.
Everyone bitching is not going to do anything to change it, at least the vast majority won't.
How does this keep happening though? How hard is it to just keep your damned mouth shut?
negative feature:rofl
Im sure they can make a nice profit in the US with 30/40 million Xboxes sold. But Europe and Asia will be PS4. All the gains they made in Europe will just be gone :/If MS manages to get 30/40 millions always online/Gold people they will be swimming in money.
The game DRM will prob be for a limited period post game launch as not to hurt game sales.
I dont get it, what did i do wrong now
I'm really baffled how people like that get hired in the first place
I can't imagine being dumb enough to go on twitter and talk about a product that hasn't been announced yet and then doubling down several times. I'd say poor guy but Jesus I wouldn't want him working for me.
:lol
you're treating lager like something other than an idiot troll
Fat no life fuck
Basically, he spent forever trolling D3 claiming it was shit compared to D2, then admitted he never played D2 post LoD (which is what made it so awesome to begin with) and I made the mistake of telling someone who exists only to troll that I spent like 650+ hours plus playing D3.
Btw I once got a résumé from someone who offhandedly mentioned a criminal record. I googled his name and found out he had burned down two churches and got caught on his way to a third. Sometimes you just have to hire some wildcards who can think outside the box and solve company problems such as "why is the building not on fire"I can't leik posts on tap talk. So it'll just have to be one of those old fashioned quotes. That says one powerful any yet simple word: 'This' or the upside down v.
How about, gasp, having non trivial incentives to buy games at launch? And I'm not talking about holding back content/removing online - these companies have to learn that punishment is not the way forward especially when we are probably going to see games prices take the usual next-gen hike.
How about, gasp, having non trivial incentives to buy games at launch? And I'm not talking about holding back content/removing online - these companies have to learn that punishment is not the way forward especially when we are probably going to see games prices take the usual next-gen hike.
i saw someone saying in a gaf thread that the people behind Xbox 1 and 360 aren't on this and it's like some more typical Microsoft team on it now? Sounded like there were some Sony style shenanigans with interdepartmental conflict and all that. Maybe the 720 is kinda fucked?
i saw someone saying in a gaf thread that the people behind Xbox 1 and 360 aren't on this and it's like some more typical Microsoft team on it now? Sounded like there were some Sony style shenanigans with interdepartmental conflict and all that. Maybe the 720 is kinda fucked?
:why
Things change.
#dealwithit
Who knows,people are pretty weird creatures.Things change.
#dealwithit
lol I don't think consumers are going to be the ones dealing with it.
And now I have a fourth take-away.
4) Microsoft is only upset about the way this feature was communicated, because it likes to present this kind of thing has a positive, not a negative.
Folks, the next Xbox is going to require an always-on Internet connection. I don’t know the specifics of what that means, but as I explained on this week’s What The Tech podcast, which was recorded on Friday instead of the usual Tuesday because of my travel earlier in this week, this piece of information had been communicated to me, along with some other relevant tidbits, in January. It’s true.
Will Microsoft change this requirement in the wake of early outrage? Frankly I think we’re too far along in the development process of the next Xbox, codenamed Durango, to make such a change. More to the point, I think that an always-on Xbox is directly in keeping with Microsoft’s strategy for all next-generation platforms, including Windows Phone (all versions) and Windows 8/RT, which are designed to work as if you are simply connected all the time. Yes, they do work offline, of course. But the apps platform on these systems—which will be replicated on the Windows 8-based next Xbox—assumes a connection. Microsoft’s new platforms are integrated conduits for online services.
With bad memories of the horrible SimCity launch in our minds—that PC game also requires an Internet connection, even in “single player” mode—it’s understandable why some are nervous about this. And yes, of course we’re going to hear from the people who live in rural areas of the US, or in parts of the world where Internet connections are slow and unreliable, expensive, and metered. As we always do when any cloud-computing-type issue arises.
Deal with it. :)
Just kidding. But the knee-jerk reaction to this functionality—which, again, could certainly have been communicated a bit better—is happening before we have all the facts. Let’s see what Microsoft has to say about the next Xbox, first in a late May launch event, and then later at both E3 and BUILD 2013, before we make up our minds. Let’s not let one ill-conceived comment ruin what’s going to be an awesome year for Xbox. And yes, it really is going to be awesome.
Paul Thurrott thinks a Microsoft product is gonna be awesome? Well, I guess you can take that to the bank, then, like when John Gruber gives Apple stuff the thumbs-up.
Paul Thurrott thinks a Microsoft product is gonna be awesome? Well, I guess you can take that to the bank, then, like when John Gruber gives Apple stuff the thumbs-up.
But but but he's really critical of MS :lol
Durango, by Americans for Americans.
Well, it's not the same guys, but 360 wasn't the same guys as Xbox 1, either.
The only thing I want to know is where the fuck J.Allard is?
Durango, by Americans for Americans.
They tried to get Japan and EU for 10 years and gave up it seems.
Sony could make a comeback if people still want consoles in EU/JAP
Well, it's not the same guys, but 360 wasn't the same guys as Xbox 1, either.
The only thing I want to know is where the fuck J.Allard is? That guy is iconic of 2000s "hip" marketing. The whole 360 marketing build up is even more ridiculous in retrospect. The fact that he was once a sloven, overweight 60 year old man is just the cherry on top.
I don't recall him specifically saying that the next Xbox console will be "always on," though it was an obvious implication because of his position.
If the console does have the "always on" requirement, then MS's goodwill will is going to be damaged regardless. He may have just sped up the process.I don't recall him specifically saying that the next Xbox console will be "always on," though it was an obvious implication because of his position.
He didn't. You're right. He didn't mention the xbox. However gamers have been on their toes with this shit due to all the rumors. His post originally ADDRESSED the rumors. He didn't specifically say Durango, but Durango was what was on everyone's mind and he rolled with it. The fact he worked for MS was what sealed it.This guy since handedly damaged a giant part of Ms good will and faith before their own console reveal. A fucking idiot of mass proportions. Him getting hired any time soon is slim.
Man all this negative press before even the reveal. This could be very damaging to the brand.
Stoney, we are on a discussion forum. It is in our nature to discuss.
There are certain words, like the word 'could' which are used for hypotheticals. I didn't say it'd happen, I did say however that it could. You don't need a brain to see why nor how.
Christ.
We will just have to see. I like discussing it any ways. Saying "well, don't talk about that you're not psychic" seems to go against the entire point of the internet.
What are you on about? I conclusively demonstrated that there are no Japanese games being made any longer worth owning a couple pages ago. Keep up.
I don't see a reason to even bother with the next Xbox. Bungie is off the Halo series, and H4 was good, but the series is no longer something that I absolutely must play. No other real exclusives come to mind. Forza is nice, but the next GT will likely be a perfectly adequate replacement.
I don't see a reason to even bother with the next Xbox. Bungie is off the Halo series, and H4 was good, but the series is no longer something that I absolutely must play. No other real exclusives come to mind. Forza is nice, but the next GT will likely be a perfectly adequate replacement.The next mmo halo type game made by Bungie but with skill trees will not be behind the ISP wall of the Durango.
Maxy sounding worriedTrue.
I love my PC gaming but I'd rather not pass up PS4 console exclusives. If PS4 is the hardcore gaming console's last stand, I'd like to support it.
Maxy sounding worriedTrue.spoiler (click to show/hide)Worried that my popcorn and beer supply runs out at worst possible time.[close]
I love my PC gaming but I'd rather not pass up PS4 console exclusives. If PS4 is the hardcore gaming console's last stand, I'd like to support it.The Last Guardian. Got no choice. I want to play with the cat/lizard/bird creature.
Paul Thurrott thinks a Microsoft product is gonna be awesome? Well, I guess you can take that to the bank, then, like when John Gruber gives Apple stuff the thumbs-up.
But but but he's really critical of MS :lol
Thurrott just has bizarre mood swings. One week he'll post some ridiculously shilly hyperbolic praise / defense of something MS does, then the next week he'll post some overblown whiny inaccurate bitching about MS. He is pro-MS on average though, but mostly just isn't worth paying attention to. He seems to have some OK sources but he (or the sources) aren't always great at interpreting or understanding whatever info they have.
guys i've figured it out
MS has been collecting metrics from Xbox Live for years right
And they've learned that we only ever use our 360s when online BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO DATA FROM WHEN WE'RE OFFLINE
think about it :mindblown
guys i've figured it out
MS has been collecting metrics from Xbox Live for years right
And they've learned that we only ever use our 360s when online BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO DATA FROM WHEN WE'RE OFFLINE
think about it :mindblown
I don't see a reason to even bother with the next Xbox. Bungie is off the Halo series, and H4 was good, but the series is no longer something that I absolutely must play. No other real exclusives come to mind. Forza is nice, but the next GT will likely be a perfectly adequate replacement.
How many Xbox 360-exclusive franchises were really known about in advance of the console's release, though?
Paul Thurrott thinks a Microsoft product is gonna be awesome? Well, I guess you can take that to the bank, then, like when John Gruber gives Apple stuff the thumbs-up.
But but but he's really critical of MS :lol
Thurrott just has bizarre mood swings. One week he'll post some ridiculously shilly hyperbolic praise / defense of something MS does, then the next week he'll post some overblown whiny inaccurate bitching about MS. He is pro-MS on average though, but mostly just isn't worth paying attention to. He seems to have some OK sources but he (or the sources) aren't always great at interpreting or understanding whatever info they have.
Eh he could do critical stuff a few times but I would honestly not give a fuck about what he says if MS stuff is the only thing he does.
We'll see how it goes though (if his info was correct and what is actually gonna be this thing called Durango/Whatever its real name is.
Man all this negative press before even the reveal. This could be very damaging to the brand.
None of this shit will have anything to do with the success of the next xbox. You are falling into your own forum hivemind trap.
Whether the next xbox always online requirement will have some effect is a different argument though.
As usual I won't pretend to be a psychic and will wait to see how things actually play out since the forums and the internets are often utterly wrong about what people actually want or will tolerate.
I haven't seen much here or on GAF that gives me much confidence about what is going to happen or insightful thoughts about how things will play out. Especially when one console hasn't even been shown yet. Prices given. Or big games shown or announced.
In other words internet going to internet but it means nothing.
I really can't support an online only console despite shelling for every MS product not named the KIN.
My Windows Phone 8 Always Online.
My Windows 8 PC Always Online.
My Surface RT Always Online.
My Office 2013 Always Online.
And Paul might be right but saying that the next Xbox dev is too far and they can't revert a simple firmware switch to disable this online check is silly.
Always online is going to be an issue, because at launch the likelihood of less than 5% of users having some issues is virtually nil. There's GONNA be some unforeseen fuck-up and it's GONNA effect enough of the initial users to leave a very bad impression, and it's GONNA get mainstream press coverage and snow ball.
It's also obviously a sneaky, ratfucking move towards anti-used games DRM, no matter how they're trying to spin it.
This gen was already lining up to be a Thunderdome gen anyway, but hoo boy have the console manufacturers not helped matters: Nintendo by releasing a console with 2007 tech, MS with always online BS, and I'm personally still convinced Sony will try to sell the PS4 for $500 because they're Sony. It's a good time to be a pc gamer, fellas. Sit back on our porches and watch the neighbors murder each other.
I barely play vidya these days so no, won't deal with it.
I agree with Oscar.
why would they be much more prepared? you really seem to assign a great deal of confidence to the company behind Bob, Windows ME, Zune, Surface, Windows 7 Phone, Windows 8, Windows 8 Phone, Vista, and Kin. they've had like, two successes in the last ten years.
stop reposting gaf posts
Microsoft had originally been planning to unveil its next-generation Xbox details at an event in April, but The Verge has learned that the company has pushed this back to May. Windows watcher Paul Thurrott revealed recently that Microsoft is planning an Xbox event for May 21st, and we understand this date is accurate. This is the tentative date for a next-generation Xbox announcement, but Microsoft had originally planned an April 24th event.
ources familiar with Microsoft's Xbox plans have revealed that the event will be at a small venue with a focus on providing the very first details on the next Xbox, codenamed Durango, and Microsoft's plans for Xbox in 2013. Recent rumors have focused on reports that Microsoft's next Xbox may require an always-on internet connection. Comments by Microsoft Studios creative director Adam Orth, asking why there was drama over the always-on rumors and telling people to #dealwithit, forced Microsoft to issue an official apology. The Verge understands that Microsoft has reminded employees that any communications about the next-generation Xbox must remain confidential, following Orth's comments.
that palpable desperation :lolDon't worry you will taste the same medicine,no place to hide this time.
poor maxy
Sony isn't going to stop publishers from implementing "always on" DRM in their games, or activation checks, etc. on PS4.
Sony isn't going to stop publishers from implementing "always on" DRM in their games, or activation checks, etc. on PS4.
The difference is that it'll be up to the publishers to implement activation checks, just like it is in the current generation. EA will still have their online passes, just like they do now.
That's completely different from it being hardware based.
Nice fish soup is nice.
system loyalty :lol
The following is a post from Yusuf Mehdi, Corporate Vice President of Marketing, Strategy and Business for the Interactive Entertainment Business at Microsoft.
Today, Microsoft and Ericsson announced a definitive agreement for Ericsson to acquire Mediaroom, the number one IPTV platform deployed by TV operators around the world. This acquisition is mutually beneficial and strategically aligned for both parties. Ericsson will continue to invest in the growth and success of Mediaroom to the benefit of customers, employees, and the industry. It allows Microsoft to commit 100 percent of its focus on consumer TV strategy with Xbox.
We are proud of the world-class engineering and business achievements within Mediaroom. They have a rich history of driving innovation in IPTV. As early pioneers, they built the infrastructure to stream video on limited bandwidth, and today they enable multiscreen entertainment experiences for pay TV subscribers. Mediaroom has contributed to the evolution of TV and powers 22 million set-top boxes today in 11 million subscriber households.
With the sale of Mediaroom, Microsoft is dedicating all TV resources to Xbox in a continued mission to make it the premium entertainment service that delivers all the games and entertainment consumers want – whether on a console, phone, PC or tablet. And with 76 million Xbox 360 consoles around the world with 46 million Xbox LIVE members, it is a mission that gets us out of bed in the morning.
It is not a mission that we can achieve alone. We want to partner with the industry to deliver the next wave of innovation in games and consumer entertainment. We will partner with content creators, studios, labels, networks, content aggregators, operators and distributors to make this happen. We believe the future of home entertainment is one where TV becomes more simple, tailored and intelligent. We believe the best is yet to come for this industry.
Our vision and energy for the future of entertainment is more focused than ever. Stay tuned.
I am pleased that years after I called out maxy for his disgusting Xbox fanboism The Bore is stepping up and discovering maxy's real, abhorrent xfag image. The recent spin he puts on the "always online" diarrhea that's coming out of Microsoft's ass is vomit inducing.
Keep it up maxy and you will end up in the same bin as Lager and Methodis not only in my eyes.
Xbox 720 will be free when you sign up for a $75+ a month two year cable contract.
What are you on about? I conclusively demonstrated that there are no Japanese games being made any longer worth owning a couple pages ago. Keep up.I kind of need to be able to keep getting my musou and EDf on. :-[
Maxy.
Do what everyone else does and become a system merc. Loyalty means shit. They're pieces of plastic. I went from HAHA NINTENDO Sega kid to HAHA NINTENDO Sony kid to HAHA NINTENDO I-own-all-current-gen-systems adult. Why are you so attached to a company in the year 2013? Are you a child? Even I, wanting MS to succeed - but only because I have spent hundreds on their service not out of loyalty, mind - have given up that race amid the recent news and I stand with my flag blank, awaiting an offer from a better lord with better pay. Same thing I've always done
Same thing anyone with sense has always done.
What are you on about? I conclusively demonstrated that there are no Japanese games being made any longer worth owning a couple pages ago. Keep up.I kind of need to be able to keep getting my musou and EDf on. :-[
Since I have shit internet at home always online will definitely decide what console I get. If both have it, I'm fucking done with gaming.
Maxy.
Do what everyone else does and become a system merc. Loyalty means shit. They're pieces of plastic. I went from HAHA NINTENDO Sega kid to HAHA NINTENDO Sony kid to HAHA NINTENDO I-own-all-current-gen-systems adult. Why are you so attached to a company in the year 2013? Are you a child? Even I, wanting MS to succeed - but only because I have spent hundreds on their service not out of loyalty, mind - have given up that race amid the recent news and I stand with my flag blank, awaiting an offer from a better lord with better pay. Same thing I've always done
Same thing anyone with sense has always done.
Borys please, im not a fanboy at least.
Feels pretty good being a Valve fanboy right now. :smug
Feels pretty good being a Valve fanboy right now. :smug
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Feels pretty good being a Valve fanboy right now. :smug
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Feels pretty good being a Valve fanboy right now. :smug
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Feels pretty good being a Valve fanboy right now. :smug
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Borys please, im not a fanboy at least.
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Feels pretty good being a Valve fanboy right now. :smug
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you were always just faking anyway
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no platform fanboy is safe anymore
I couldn't give any less of a fuck about next gen. :mafShouldn't you be saying "Sony save me"?spoiler (click to show/hide)Save me PS4 :'([close]
no internet, I can still play every pirated game I have on my PCThat is nothing new.
Got no internet for reasons I wont disclouse due to poberty shame, and believe it or not xfags I can still play every pirated game I have on my PC! Crazy I know!You're so poor you can't afford the v in poverty :ohhh
Multiple sources familiar with the company's Xbox plans have revealed to The Verge that Microsoft will introduce a feature that lets its next-generation console take over a TV and set-top box in a similar way to Google TV. We understand that the next Xbox will require an online connection to use the entertainment services, allowing them to be always-on for streaming and access to TV signals.
The functionality will work by taking a cable box signal and passing it through to the Xbox via HDMI, allowing Microsoft's console to overlay a UI and features on top of an existing TV channel or set-top box. We're told that this is a key part of the next-generation Xbox and that it will go a step further than Google's TV implementation thanks to Microsoft's partnerships with content providers. Extended support for various cable services will be rolled out gradually, but the basic functionality will be available at launch.
Coupled with this TV functionality, Microsoft's next-generation Kinect sensor will also play a role in the company's TV focus. The Verge has learned that the next Kinect will detect multiple people simultaneously, including the ability to detect eye movement to pause content when a viewer turns their head away from a TV. Microsoft is said to be using these capabilities as part of its UI and features for its TV plans.
Microsoft is working hard in its new strategy for the next years. The company wants to expand its Xbox brand with two new Xbox. One would be next-gen, the other one would be a new redesign for Xbox 360. Take in mind the Wii Mini, MS would like to offer something similar to Nintendo. This cheap model would be focused as a set top box product, although you will be able to load games too, but the games should be load directly from the HDD. This Xbox wouldn’t have disc drive.
We have received new information about the latest Xbox Roadmap. Our source unveils new details for Durango, Xbox mini and the Microsoft strategy; moreover we don’t forget Kinect 2.0.
Microsoft expands its Xbox brand
Getting to the point there are going to be two console as part of the redesigned “Xbox Line” of products. A repackaged and reoriented Xbox 360 unit and the new “Durango” gaming console, both designed to compete with more than Sony in gaming, but against Apple as well.
When the Durango (game machine) launches, it will not support backwards compatibility for 360 games out of the box. Instead, this functionality will come from the other unit that will be networked with the Durango to provide this (not unlike the DVD add-on for the original Xbox).
The purpose of the smaller Xbox unit is to compete with Apple TV, but also provides XBLA and 360 game support which will give it an edge over Apple TV. The rumors of “always online required” comes from the smaller Xbox unit which may not have a disc drive and like Apple TV it would require a network connection and internet to provide any real functionality. It may be possible they will design both consoles to be stackable.
Durango itself will also always be online like any other device (correct with rumors), but it will not be a requirement to play local content and it will not prevent playing used games. Putting in an Xbox 360 disc into Durango will prompt the user to attach the supporting device that is sold separately. By separating the two devices and their functions it will ensure price competitiveness for both pieces of hardware. Microsoft’s delay in announcing these products from April goes more inline with not having a physical set of devices to show (among specification updates), which should be ready by May or June when this information is officially released.
The price goal of the smaller Xbox is $149 or lower and it is likely to not have a disc drive and would require a network connection. Durango will be priced competitively according to PS4′s price.
Kinect 2.0
A different department within Xbox handles Kinect hardware and software. The focus was more on developing and networking both consoles with Kinect more of an after thought at that point, considering dealing with it would be less of an issue even with hardware changes to the main console hardware. Kinect isn’t the primary focus.
The development kits required several pieces of hardware as to combine all “potential” hardware which may or may not be required to work with each other, which also includes the potential for any or all devices to required a network connection, which is where most of the “required” rumors are coming from.
Haha at least it supports BC bitchThat is not BC.
Huh? Oscar flat out said before next xbox won't have BC.
Durango itself will also always be online like any other device (correct with rumors), but it will not be a requirement to play local content and it will not prevent playing used games.
Haha at least it supports BC bitch
Does this mean the rumored $100-150 360 will combine with the next Xbox as a form of BC? or are the $100-150 360 and this next Xbox add-on two different things? likening it to the IR dongle from the Xbox and not the HD-DVD drive isn't making this less confusing.
Huh? Oscar flat out said before next xbox won't have BC.
add on is the new $99 360Huh? Oscar flat out said before next xbox won't have BC.
lol the add on will probably cost more than a 360 by that time.
add on is the new $99 360Huh? Oscar flat out said before next xbox won't have BC.
lol the add on will probably cost more than a 360 by that time.
$199add on is the new $99 360Huh? Oscar flat out said before next xbox won't have BC.
lol the add on will probably cost more than a 360 by that time.
whats the current price for a barebones 360?
Does this mean the rumored $100-150 360 will combine with the next Xbox as a form of BC? or are the $100-150 360 and this next Xbox add-on two different things? likening it to the IR dongle from the Xbox and not the HD-DVD drive isn't making this less confusing.
Rango=new console(Master)
Stingray(codename)= $99 360(Slave)
Does this mean the rumored $100-150 360 will combine with the next Xbox as a form of BC? or are the $100-150 360 and this next Xbox add-on two different things? likening it to the IR dongle from the Xbox and not the HD-DVD drive isn't making this less confusing.
Rango=new console(Master)
Stingray(codename)= $99 360(Slave)
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Why would anyone want 360 BC anyway to play forza? the exclusive suck and the third party games are on PC spend the money on a 2010 videocard and you are set.Because you have tons of games already on the 360? Maybe you don't want to rebut them or just don't like playing on the PC? Or maybe you think the exclusives don't suck? Seems like pretty simple reasons to me.
Durango itself will also always be online like any other device (correct with rumors), but it will not be a requirement to play local content and it will not prevent playing used games.i.e. not always online. what a terrible sentence.
QuoteDurango itself will also always be online like any other device (correct with rumors), but it will not be a requirement to play local content and it will not prevent playing used games.i.e. not always online. what a terrible sentence.
I wonder if they'll let you use your normal 360 not hooked up to the Durango for BC?spoiler (click to show/hide):derp[close]
I wonder if they'll let you use your normal 360 not hooked up to the Durango for BC?spoiler (click to show/hide):derp[close]
wow hold up, I'm I realizing this correctly? MS is gonna release a cheap 360 but it has to connect with the Durango to let the Durango play 360 games? :mindblown
Why would anyone want 360 BC anyway to play forza? the exclusive suck and the third party games are on PC spend the money on a 2010 videocard and you are set.
Cheap,no disc drive,possibly even without hdd(just some flash like WiiU)...very small,can be controlled by Rango.Plays every digital 360 game standalone or every 360 game combined with Rango.I wonder if they'll let you use your normal 360 not hooked up to the Durango for BC?spoiler (click to show/hide):derp[close]
wow hold up, I'm I realizing this correctly? MS is gonna release a cheap 360 but it has to connect with the Durango to let it play 360 games? :mindblown
I wonder if they'll let you use your normal 360 not hooked up to the Durango for BC?spoiler (click to show/hide):derp[close]
Cheap,no disc drive,possibly even without hdd(just some flash like WiiU)...very small,can be controlled by Rango.Plays every digital 360 game standalone or every 360 game combined with Rango.I wonder if they'll let you use your normal 360 not hooked up to the Durango for BC?spoiler (click to show/hide):derp[close]
wow hold up, I'm I realizing this correctly? MS is gonna release a cheap 360 but it has to connect with the Durango to let it play 360 games? :mindblown
:mindblown
Yeah I just read the article. That is pretty dumb if true if that's the only way to do it. I might as well just keep my 360 in the same area which is not what I want to do.
I would pay extra for one model that just had Backward compatibility all in one unit. I don't want two devices.
Yeah I just read the article. That is pretty dumb if true if that's the only way to do it. I might as well just keep my 360 in the same area which is not what I want to do.
I would pay extra for one model that just had Backward compatibility all in one unit. I don't want two devices.
The benefit could/seems to be one hdmi cable, one power brick, one controller, etc. which isn't that bad of a compromise.
BC on next gen consoles sounds like a mess. Even the Wii U that's the most straight forward requires additional hardware.
I'm getting really fucking tired of reading anything Xbox or Microsoft related. For the past couple months this is how things are when it comes to talks about Sony and Microsoft:
Sony: games, games, here's our vision with games, indie games, easy to develop games on the ps4, games, games, developers praise the ps4, games
Microsoft: always online, kinect, omg is it true? always online? kinect, netflix, is it gonna be always online? what about BC? kinect, would you buy the ecks bocks three six tee if it was always online? tv, always online, omg is it true? Kinect. OMG BC ALWAYS ONLINE XBOX TV KINECT XBOX X BOX BC KINECT ONLINE
Xbox Mini
The “Xbox Mini” is not a 360 add-on, it is a stand alone product that contains Xbox 360 functions for gaming, and alone it is meant to compete with Apple TV. Since it is likely it will not have a disc drive, it is being designed with “always online” in mind, and with internet being required for Live functions. Xbox 360 Games can be played on it by purchasing Games on Demand on Xbox Live (for new purchases) or if already purchased, simply download it. This also applies to music and movies. To further clarify, the Durango will also have these (TV) functions, just with next-genration gaming hardware instead of Xbox 360 at a higher price.
When used with Durango, it offers connectivity with it for backwards compatibility with both disc based and On Demand games, and it’s no more different than what Sony will be doing with Gaikai for playing PS3 games on PS4, only with Xbox it will be done locally and not through the cloud. You can control the Xbox Mini under a single interface and not have to worry about switching between devices in a single display input.
These connectivity functions cannot work with existing Xbox 360 units due to the difference in external interface. The Xbox Mini was designed for this along side Durango.
I've been wanting to replace my OG jet engine 360 for years now, so that add-on sounds great for me at that price.
MS simply are not this stupid. This is a rumor leaked by MS to put a cork in all the negativity until the official reveal, classic PR tactics.
I've been wanting to replace my OG jet engine 360 for years now, so that add-on sounds great for me at that price.
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I thought they closed the twitter account of Adam Orth.
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:lolI've been wanting to replace my OG jet engine 360 for years now, so that add-on sounds great for me at that price.
???
I thought they closed the twitter account of Adam Orth.
http://www.polygon.com/2013/4/10/4209912/microsoft-creative-director-that-sparked-always-on-controversy-no
i need an xbox 1. just found a copy of Spike Out in my closet today :o and I'd like to give the Sega xbox games another shot.
http://www.polygon.com/2013/4/10/4209912/microsoft-creative-director-that-sparked-always-on-controversy-no
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I would think that a lowly employee is representing his own views (though, in this case, no doubt he was actually typing what he though MS wanted him to) and is not speaking for a $200 billion dollar corporation--which is a separate entity from its fucking shareholders or directors, never mind some creative director. Hsu's view, tempered, may be fine for those--like officers, directors, or politicians*--who posses control to create and enforce policy or those who are specifically hired to represent their employer--spokesmen or marketing people--but otherwise it's bullshit and gives employers far more power than they should posses over their employees.
*I'm aware that these three groups are generally not considered "employees."
i need an xbox 1. just found a copy of Spike Out in my closet today :o and I'd like to give the Sega xbox games another shot.
:bow SPIKEOUT BATTLE STREET :bow2
c'mon, it's a tacit acknowledgement of an unrevealed feature (whether it's in there or not, it's only gonna confirm beliefs, given how damn hard he went in about it.) If everyone could get away with "technically not breaking NDA," twitter would be twice as swamped with attention whoring low to mid level employees revealing everything they know.He was acknowledging the reporting/attitude towards the idea of the "unrevealed feature," which is already used by various PC games. It's not like he wrote, "hey can't wait for the next XBOX; I foresee that it will be ALWAYS ON when I get home." He disclosed his opinion on the feature.
whether it's in there or not
I feel bad for Adam Orth, but what he did was really, really dumb. And if it turns out the Durango doesn't require online? Even more dumb. It's like, hey, Adam, see how when game journos contact MS about something unconfirmed the answer is always "Microsoft does not comment on rumours or speculation"? You need to keep that in mind if you want to have a public twitter that proudly displays that you work at Microsoft, no matter where you are on the totem pole.
In the happy world of sunshine, I wish he could have kept his job, but in reality, if I'm his boss at Microsoft, I'd be pretty eager to get rid of him even outside the PR ramifications of distancing the company from him.
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durango has no games
Microsoft is working on a number of launch titles for its new Xbox console. One of the first games to launch on the next Xbox will be Ryse, according to multiple sources familiar with Microsoft's Xbox plans. Microsoft originally unveiled Ryse at E3 2011, promising an exclusive Xbox 360 release with Kinect functionality. A release has never materialized for Xbox 360 and the company has remained fairly silent about the title's progress, noting that it was still in development in mid-2012 and again earlier this year. The Verge understands that Crytek, along with Microsoft Studios, has been rewriting the game to take advantage of its next-generation console, due later this year.
We're told Ryse is designed to be Microsoft's new Gears of War / Halo mega launch title. It's set in the roman empire period and uses deep Kinect integration to allow players to slash and kick at enemies. We understand that Ryse will take advantage of the new body tracking improvements in the next Kinect sensor. Ryse is part of four major launch titles for the next-generation Xbox. Sources tell us that a new Forza title with "super life-like" graphics will also be made available at launch, alongside a zombie game and a family game set on an island with Pixar movie-style graphics. We're told that the family game will utilize Kinect to scan a body and generate a virtual character in the game.
We understand that these four titles are a small selection of the launch titles for the next-generation Xbox. Third-party support is said to be strong in the first-person-shooter genre. Microsoft is also working on some improvements to Xbox Live, including a switch to currency over the Microsoft Points system. Microsoft is expected to hold a special Xbox event in May, ahead of a full unveiling at E3 in June.
We're told Ryse is designed to be Microsoft's new Gears of War / Halo mega launch title. It's set in the roman empire period and uses deep Kinect integration to allow players to slash and kick at enemies.
#dealwithitQuoteWe're told Ryse is designed to be Microsoft's new Gears of War / Halo mega launch title. It's set in the roman empire period and uses deep Kinect integration to allow players to slash and kick at enemies.
:deadmanny
uses deep Kinect integration
I'm glad it worked out for you.:lol Twitter beef
Is there a more worthless outlet for your anger?
I bitched on twitter a month ago just as an outlet for anger and the result was a $500 fee being waived. So yes, I imagine there are more worthless ways to bitch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S_q9SGnef4
:rofl
There's only about 2GB reserved for the OS, about 1GB is reserved but currently unused, MS can release the memory to devs (unlikely) if they wish, they're keeping it for future OS expansion and features.
No, you should be able to play Win8 games (like Win8 apps) simultaneously with full Durango games. Win 8 apps run on the 2GB reserved memory.
I'm not sure how they'll do it exactly, Durango games run in VMs (B3D rumour exclusive ) so that offers a lot more versatility in backgrounding and suspend/resume etc.
Games only 'see' a 5GB/6 core machine, using VMs makes resource sharing with the OS much easier - eg when Durango games background the system can fold two of their 6 cores onto their other 4 physical ones, and devs don't have to do anything special with thread affinity etc.
In fact, games are also going to be shipped/downloaded as encrypted VMs, Durango just loads the VM into memory to play.
MS will use the Xbox as a trojan to increase app count for W8.
Can't wait to play Office on my Durango. :bow2
So yes, I originally made a post on pastebin that I then posted on IGN that has now mysteriously vanished from the internet. I'm guessing good 'ol Don wasn't too happy.
In that pastebin post I said I wouldn't be saying anything else, but that was before a few things changed. So yeah.... #dealwithit.
That IGN post (that referenced the pastebin post) was also posted on NeoGAF. Though it didn't get much attention.
In that pastebin post I specifically mentioned that I was a GAF member, but that I would not be outing myself on GAF for fear of losing my job. And I still will not be doing that. I'm not an idiot.
However since the reveal is pretty close now, I thought I'd just come out and tell you everything I know. No more cryptic bullshit, just facts.
First of all, for any of the GAF members reading this (or anyone else for that matter) that actually believed the online-required rumor, well.... you're either stupid, very gullible, or a fanboy. Reading the posts some of you made over the past few weeks leads me to believe that mostly fanboyism was involved. So, I'll make this very clear:
You are not required to be connected to the internet in order to play Durango games and MS were NEVER considering doing such a thing. Now please, just read that last sentence over and over again until it sinks in. Done? Good.
Now that I've got that out of the way I can talk about the real details.
First, I'll admit some things that I originally hinted at in the first pastebin are now not going to happen. Mainly the April 18th date (obviously) and the HMD glasses. The date, as you may know by now was pushed back to May, and the glasses, well, although they’re kind of working are going to spend a bit longer in the oven.
Ok, moving on. Have you read the VGLeaks article about the Durango specs? Yes? Good because everything you read in that article was 100% correct. Except, for one tiny little detail that MS kept guarded from most devs until very recently. That detail being that every Durango ships with a Xbox 360 SOC.
There was a reason why MS hired so many former IBM and AMD employees. I'll admit I'm not an electrical engineer (I'm in software) so I won't pretend to know the ins and outs of how the 360 SOC integrates into the Durango motherboard. All I know, and all I need to know about this new change is that I (or a game dev) can use the 360 SOC in parallel with the original Durango hardware.
What does this mean in basic terms? Well, apart from Durango having 100% BC with the 360, it also increases Durango's processing power a fair amount.
Ok, so what else?
Kinect 2.0: - Again the specs from VGLeaks are correct, there's been no change and there won't be. However, the fact is, is that software can do ANYTHING, and with the quite substantial increase in the hardware over Kinect 1.0, any humanly noticeable lag should be gone
Controller: - The controller is pretty much the same. The D-Pad has been improved, but the change will only be noticeable when actually using it, i.e. it looks exactly the same, I haven't actually touched it, this is just what I’ve been told. AA batteries will make a return, but the new wireless tech MS has created for the controller, improves battery life by 16%. Again, this is just what the doc says.
Xbox Mini/Xbox TV: Yes, this is happening, although as far as I know, it’s a whole different team over at MS that are handling this. As has been reported its main purpose is to compete with Apple TV, so expect this thing to be small and around $100.
It contains the 360 SOC (similar to the one in the Durango), however no disc drive is included (to decrease size). But of course you can still play any XBLA/Games on Demand game. That’s all I really know about the xTV so I’ll leave it at that. Thurrott seems to know more than anyone else about this, so go ask him.
OS/Services: I wish I knew more about this, but I honestly don’t. I have no clue what sort of new ideas MS are going to bring to the table this gen, but I’m certainly expecting them to amaze.
The only thing that I do know for definite is that Durango will be running Windows 8. It will essentially be the full version of the OS, minus the desktop side of things. This means it’ll be running the new WinRT framework, which as a side effect also means that contrary to popular belief MS will be the most indie friendly of all the big 3 next gen.
This is because any app/game that is created for the Windows app store will (after adding controller support of course) be playable on Durango.
In other words, any random person worldwide can pay Microsoft a $60 license fee (for the Windows Store) and submit their app/game to the store where millions of people can then download/buy it. No expensive development kits needed.
Expect to hear much more on WinRT - Durango at Build2013.
Ok, so that’s pretty much it. I wish I had more info on specific games and services that MS have lined up, but it seems that even I’ll have to wait until May to find out.
I’ll look forward to this post appearing on GAF, where rest assured I’ll be lurking. Hell, who knows I may even make a few posts.
I wonder how many people will refuse to believe this? Hmmmm….
Will they fix the shit first party games?
$129 XBox 360 w/64 GB Flash Memory, no disc drive, launching late May/early June
Saw this on internet,must be trueQuote$129 XBox 360 w/64 GB Flash Memory, no disc drive, launching late May/early June
Suck on Cock
Will they fix the shit first party games?
what does SoC stand for, Son of Console?
what does SoC stand for, Son of Console?
System On (a) Chip.
Look, I don't understand entirely why they're using VMs and what all the specifics are.
Besides the resource sharing and security benefits (which are the reasons i've been given) it could also facilitate easy BC for the next Xbox (if there is one).
Or allow you to play Durango games on your PC or Surface etc
Or allow a transition to a cheaper to manufacture hardware design later on
The VMs can talk to each other through the hypervisor (Host OS) which handles inter-OS communication and all hardware access, and hosts the other two OS instances (Title and System) in VMs.
The Host and Title OS (which the game runs in) are both stripped down (similar to the 360 kernel) and as mentioned before, they have Dave Cutler working on low overhead virtual drivers and stuff to optimise VM performance for games.
The other System OS runs the Win8 kernel modified in a similar way to Windows Phone 8, allowing only RT stuff, with no desktop capabilities.
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The rumor about Microsoft and its event Spring Showcase 2013 dedicated to the presentation of the new console Xbox NEXT (or 720 if you like) back today thanks to a template found on the net.
The set of logos and symbols that underline the versatility of the Xbox to several other devices was discovered in a document shown as a template for the PowerPoint presentation.
In addition to the new Xbox logos, already revealed by time and resumed from that of SmartGlass , include icons representing the predisposition of the new platform to be "without borders", ie, in connection with other users, using PCs, tablets, smartphones, sharing photos and video, exchanging messages.
Finally camping in the last slide the hashtag # xbox2013 that should be used to interact via twitter just in relation to the event of presentation.
We? Probably it!
[1st Update]
The symbols that appear in the slides are actually code phrases. It was discovered that in fact has been used esoteric language programming to encode each message. The translation of each slide is:
1. Storm Clouds
2. More than now
3. Deep Computing
4. Petaflops> Teraflops
If the first three can have a sense (storm clouds, over time, calculating in depth), the fourth and last sentence looks amazing. Hearing about Petaflops Teraflops relatively higher than the
next-gen consoles looks very strange. A console, as it may be the new generation, can not reach the Petaflops, a measure that indicates one billion floating-point operations performed in a second by the CPU, normally present in supercomputers. A Petaflops equals 1000 Teraflops. We may therefore assume that they are a joke well thought by some users. Or will it be reality? For you comments.
[2nd update]
According to some rumors, Microsoft would be ready for an innovative structure of the Xbox LIVE to take on the console of the next generation of cloud computing AMD Fusion joined to gaming. In practice this would take advantage of the console as a client while the server managed by an infrastructure to remotely send data to the console already calculated so as to bring the same to reach 1 PetaFlops! The system is similar to what is already the case with some working tools such as Octane Render , able to provide a render similar to computer graphics (CGI) for those who use tools such as 3D Studio Max, Maya, etc. .. This is not pure cloud gaming as it was for OnLive , where all the computational load had been covered by the servers, but something in between. That is to say that the Xbox NEXT will have its own computing power that will be given a greater and further via dedicated servers. In this way, there would really be the most powerful gaming console on the market and goodbye dreams of glory for users PS4. But all this is assuming you have a broadband internet connection.
This particular rumour surrounding the Xbox 720 is dizzying. One week the Xbox 720 does require an internet connection, the next week it doesn't.
Honestly, Microsoft, hurry up and tell us either way. We're getting a little sick of this now.
The latest suggestion that the Xbox 720 will require an internet connection to play and will not play second hand games comes from David Connolly, managing director at Xing Interactive.
We spoke to Connolly about the the decline of physical retail, and asked how next-gen could affect this already problematic market.
"We hear different things from the two big players," Connolly told us in an interview. "Sony are actively asking for more retailers “past, present and new” to help them support their next PS launch."
Connolly suggests that Sony is being far more open with its approach to the PS4 than Microsoft, who is not looking to accept a wider retailer market if at all possible.
"I have spoken to sources close to Microsoft on the other hand who insist that the next Xbox will not be compatible with second hand, will require permanently on connection, and 'you’ll have to go through Microsoft to do anything'."
Connolly adds: "So that would not be good news! Maybe another reason to support PC publishers can I say?!"
Discussing a potentially digital-only future - and its important on the sector that Xing Interactive primarily targets - Connolly adds that it could only be Microsoft that will cause problems.
"There could be a big issue on consoles with one of the big players going their own way," said Connolly. "An independent retailer put it this way 'Microsoft will still make a profit out of Xbox. As for the rest of us, tough titty'."
In terms of PC, digital downloads are becoming vastly more important, with Connolly stating the physical market is "stable or up a few percentage points for the titles out there.
"So yes there’s a decline, but only because there’s less shelf space is the point."
We spoke to David Connolly who describes Xing Interactive as the 'Last Man Standing' of the publishing world.
As for the rest of us, tough titty'.:lol
Is MS really does block used games, they're fucked.You think so? I feel like the average consumer would just buy it and be like :wtf later.
The lack of used games clearly arent the sales deterrent people think they are, look at the PC market.
:manny
MS should leave DRM up to the publishers.
When is that big reveal supposed to be again? They pushed it back to May?
Fable developer Lionhead has a new boss.
John Needham is the new head of the Guidford-based studio, owner Microsoft announced.
Needham used to be CEO of City of Heroes maker Cryptic Studios and Marvel Heroes maker Gazillion Entertainment. He's also worked at Sony Online Entertainment. All three studios make MMOs.
"John's deep understanding of all aspects of the gaming industry,from subscription-based, massively multi-player to client-based console and free-to-play online, PC and mobile experiences, will be a huge benefit to Lionhead and European Studio operations more widely," Microsoft said.
Needham reports to Phil Harrison, Corporate Vice President of Microsoft's Interactive Entertainment Business for the EMEA territory (that includes us).
"This is a historic time in our industry and I'm excited, and honoured, to be joining Lionhead and Microsoft Studios," Needham said.
"Our vision is focused on building innovative gaming services and AAA experiences at Lionhead, and the rest of Microsoft Studios, which take advantage of Microsoft's incredible hardware and software platforms. Personally, I can't wait to get started."
Harrison added: "It's my pleasure to welcome John Needham to Microsoft Studios and Lionhead. He brings a wealth of proven executive leadership experience in the online gaming space to the company and I know he will confidently lead Lionhead towards an ambitious online future."
All this talk of Lionhead's online future makes sense in the context of recent reports about its next game.
In May 2012 Eurogamer brought you the news that Lionhead was making an MMO-like role-playing game for the next Xbox.
According to job advertisements, the new game has single-player and multiplayer elements with four-player co-op, and is a new IP.
"This is to assist in the development of a major brand new IP that is being targeted for the future generation of platforms and will be an RPG based game with a radical new take on how co-operative and multiplayer gameplay feeds into the experience, while blending online and single-player into one complete experience," read the advertisement.
The development team size was said to be 150+.
A Fable MMO style game would be :drool
A Fable MMO style game would be :droolYeah I'd play the shit out of this probably :( The basic mechanics of the game are well suited for it.
I'm fully expecting them to port the PS1 and PS2 emulators to PS4 eventually, though not near launch. I doubt we'll ever see a PS3 emulator.
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Gaikai is useless.
Sony has been fucking up for so long that it is bizarre to me that people assume they will correct themselves for the PS4.
Nah, the PS3 looked awesome at its first reveal. Way more awesome than the PS4, imo. It didn't start looking insane until the precise moment Kaz said five hundred and ninety-nine US dollars.
And I still think Sony is holding back some bad news on the used game front. Way too early for Sonytards to be guffawing at Xbots over that one.
The PS3 reveal wasn't the one that contained the price. And sure, it was boring to watch the whole presentation, like these things always are, and they went back on a lot of stuff later (they always do), but at the time, sans price, knowing how closely they had made good on the ridiculous promises of the PS2? Sure, I was stoked, and quite sure they would handily win the gen.
The PS4 reveal, on the other hand, while not bad, was kind of boring. Here's an updated box, here's updated sequels to games no one cares about, here's a bunch of social network shit.
The PS3 reveal wasn't the one that contained the price. And sure, it was boring to watch the whole presentation, like these things always are, and they went back on a lot of stuff later (they always do), but at the time, sans price, knowing how closely they had made good on the ridiculous promises of the PS2? Sure, I was stoked, and quite sure they would handily win the gen.
So is it possible we might be able to insert a blu-ray into a next gen console and have it play a video game? :-\
WatchSony has been fucking up for so long that it is bizarre to me that people assume they will correct themselves for the PS4.
because all the signs of the PS3 being fucked up started from the very first reveal and this has been going much differently so far.
Maybe since Pastebin counts as a legitimate source for Durango rumors now, I guess I might as well shoot down some of the ridiculousness out there, even if my credibility doesn't count for squat here. For what it's worth, I worked for a recently shuttered developer, working on the early stages of a next-gen PS4/Vita/Durango/PC downloadable project that will never see the light of day.
But with no way of proving that without risking my name and ability to get another job in this industry, it's probably irrelevant. You can choose whether or not to believe any of the following. But I will say this... Anyone notice how VGleaks posted a "rumor" about the Xbox 360 mini, that claimed that by attaching it to Durango, it would enable backwards compatibility? Anyone notice how they followed that up with a posting from Pastebin, claiming that the Durango itself would have backwards compatibility?
Don't fool yourselves. It's because both are wildly inaccurate, which should be obvious, considering their contradictory nature.
The truth is somewhere in between and a lot close to what the "bigger" sites out there are reporting.
First of all, the "mini" is real, although that name is nothing I've ever heard. It's a just a slimmed down 360, minus the disc drive, and nothing more. There is no point in Microsoft splintering the market by including something in the mini that the vanilla 360 doesn't have. The "mini" will release sometimes this fall, alongside a price drop and redesign on standard 360s. The mini will be replacing the hard drive-free 360, so as to avoid market confusion with too many varying SKUs with differing capabilities/features. The "mini" will supposedly have a few new features the CURRENT 360s don't have, but those features will be delivered via a dashboard update that applies to ALL 360s, not just the mini SKU. One of these features, is background downloading of games. Similar to Sony, Microsoft is pushing for games that download in segments, to get a user playing as soon as possible. Instead of being limited to the next-gen Xbox, where it's a requirement, it's being encouraged (but not mandated) for the current systems. Things like better download list management are also included, making it easier to compare what is and isn't currently installed on the system.
As for Durango, much of what Kotaku has reported lately is accurate. It requires a constant connection to play Durango games in an effort to cut down on piracy, and eliminate used games. The internet connection is not required for anything but Durango-specific games. Basic features, including 360 games, work with or without it. Yes, it is backwards compatible out of the box.
Known already, is that games are installed to the HDD. Plenty of sites have reported it, because it's true. As a result of this, and the always-on requirement, games can now be played without the disc in the drive. There is another reason behind that. Games can now be downloaded from XBLM for free, in addition to being installed from disc, once the retail disc is activated on your account. The disc is basically just for installation and activation purposes. In addition to that, developers are being told that a month of Xbox Live Gold is automatically applied to a user's account, once any new game is installed. This is essentially Microsoft's answer to calls for a free Xbox Live service while softening the blow of eliminating the used market. If you buy a lot of games, Xbox Live basically becomes free. Live subscriptions will remain available separately as well though.
Everything I'm aware of has pointed to that being the finalized approach Microsoft has taken. As of about a month ago, it was all accurate, although, bear in mind, things could have changed since then.
A few other things of note:
1. The 360-related hardware included in Durango which drives backwards compatibility is not available to developers. It's re-purposed for the OS while a Durango game is running, leaving the majority of Durango's power in the hands of developers. Essentially, anything that can be done in the dashboard of the current 360 can be done while playing a Durango game. While in backwards compatibility mode, functions are limited to those of the 360 in-game dashboard. It's supposed to provide an environment identical to that of the 360, for compatibility reasons, although some non-game Durango-specific features, like an in-game browser, can run on top of that.
2. The controller is fairly similar to the 360 controller. The d-pad is improved (although I can't notice much of a difference myself since I never needed to use the 360 d-pad much to begin with). It's a bit less bulky as well. It's a bit closer to the PS4's controller in size, but is still very close to the design of the 360 controller. Personally, I think it's their best controller yet.
3. Achievements are making a return, obviously, but with some tweaks. Games now come with two distinct scores. Arcade games are now set at 500, with 500 additional points for DLC, while full games remain at 1000, with an additional 1000 for DLC. Now a user's score list is now represented by two base scores for each game, on for the main game, and the other for DLC, as opposed to having them combined as they currently are.
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Achievements are making a return, obviously, but with some tweaks. Games now come with two distinct scores. Arcade games are now set at 500, with 500 additional points for DLC, while full games remain at 1000, with an additional 1000 for DLC. Now a user's score list is now represented by two base scores for each game, on for the main game, and the other for DLC, as opposed to having them combined as they currently are.
#XboxReveal
On Tuesday May 21st, we’ll mark the beginning of a new generation of games, TV and entertainment. On that day, we’ll be holding a special press event on the Xbox campus and we invite you to join us via the live global stream that will be available on Xbox.com, Xbox LIVE and broadcast on Spike TV if you are in the US or Canada.
On that day, we’ll share our vision for Xbox, and give you a real taste of the future. Then, 19-days later at the Electronic Entertainment Expo (E3) in Los Angeles, we’ll continue the conversation and showcase our full lineup of blockbuster games.
We are thrilled to pull back the curtain and reveal what we’ve been working on.
A New Generation Revealed
Xbox Campus, Redmond WA
Tuesday, May 21st @ 1p ET/10a PT/17:00 GMT
Follow me on Twitter where I’ll share updates leading up to the event.
:zzz
The disc is basically just for installation and activation purposes. In addition to that, developers are being told that a month of Xbox Live Gold is automatically applied to a user's account, once any new game is installed. This is essentially Microsoft's answer to calls for a free Xbox Live service while softening the blow of eliminating the used market. If you buy a lot of games, Xbox Live basically becomes free. Live subscriptions will remain available separately as well though.
QuoteThe disc is basically just for installation and activation purposes. In addition to that, developers are being told that a month of Xbox Live Gold is automatically applied to a user's account, once any new game is installed. This is essentially Microsoft's answer to calls for a free Xbox Live service while softening the blow of eliminating the used market. If you buy a lot of games, Xbox Live basically becomes free. Live subscriptions will remain available separately as well though.
That's pretty brilliant if true
QuoteThe disc is basically just for installation and activation purposes. In addition to that, developers are being told that a month of Xbox Live Gold is automatically applied to a user's account, once any new game is installed. This is essentially Microsoft's answer to calls for a free Xbox Live service while softening the blow of eliminating the used market. If you buy a lot of games, Xbox Live basically becomes free. Live subscriptions will remain available separately as well though.
That's pretty brilliant if true
The brilliant thing would be
Internet required
New games--activation only,can be played offline
Used games--constant internet connection required
Kinda like when you want to use your account on different 360.
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The brilliant thing would be
Internet required
New games--activation only,can be played offline
Used games--constant internet connection required
Kinda like when you want to use your account on different 360.
how in the fuckity fuck is that brilliant?
You are not a publisher, you are a gamer you disgusting piece of M$ paid filth.Tries?
Stop cheering the Redmond corporation when it tries to fuck YOU, the consumer, up the ass.
Name
“Box.” It’s the ultimate expression of Microsoft’s attempts to make their console more than just a console, but rather a single device that fulfills all of a home’s media needs and more (we’ll get to the “and more”). Not only does the name become more inclusive of the hardware’s widened horizons, but it rolls off the tongue more easily, and, however slightly, improves the names for those who suffer from hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia. Short, simple, and snazzy.
Main Specs
Processor: An unannounced collaboration between Microsoft and Intel resulting in a processor that has been designed exclusively for the Box. The Box will boast a dual processor setup, with each x86-64 processor sporting 16 cores with HyperThreading, expanding the 32 physical cores to a total of 64 physical and virtual cores as needed.
Memory: GDDR5 16GB
HDD: The Box will provide multiple storage options. All SKUs will be loaded with SSD storage, allowing for nearly instant console activation and operation. The capacities will range from 256GB in the low end model to 1TB in the premium model. The Box’s OS will be given a dedicated 128GB SSD on all models, separate from storage, to allow for OS operation, avatar items, applications, and other relevant files.
OS: The Box will run Windows 8, allowing for easy development of cross-platform gameplay between PC and Box users.
Optical: The Box will use a Blu-Ray drive.
Core Functionality
The Box will retain the obvious ability to play video games, movies, music, and more. The user interface will be drastically different than what console users are accustomed to, however, with the introduction of Windows 8 as the operating platform. This opens the Box up to functionality that had been previously restricted (or in certain cases, should have been restricted) to personal computers, including word processing, database maintenance, social media, porn, and more. As a bonus, it has been confirmed that not only will the Box play used games, it will also not require a constant Internet connection…in certain cases. More on that in the “LIVE” section below.
Unexpected Feature
This week, Microsoft announced the arrival of the Pizza Hut application for the Xbox 360, allowing users to order pizzas straight from their console. This was just the first step in what has apparently been a collaboration long in the making. In a secret deal, Microsoft has acquired the technology behind the Easy-Bake Oven from Hasbro. Not only will you be able to order pizza from your Box, you’ll have it delivered from your Box.
LIVE
Microsoft has done a wonderful job of providing a stable, functional online service in the form of Xbox LIVE. With Box, the connected service will be called “BoxOn.” BoxOn will come in muliple flavors for Box users:
BoxOn Core: Core is the basic level of BoxOn, and allows access to the store, basic Internet access, matchmaking/chat, and access for non-Box subscription services (Hulu, Netflix, etc.). BoxOn Core is available for $9.99/year.
BoxOn Advanced: Advanced is the intermediate level of BoxOn that allows all of the functionality of BoxOn Core, but adds priority placement in matchmaking, download queues, and speed allocation. BoxOn Advanced is available for $39.99/year.
BoxOn Professional: Professional is the ultimate level of BoxOn. It includes all of the functionality of Core and Advanced (with higher priority placement), and includes discounts and deals on store content. BoxOn Professional is available for $69.99/year.
BoxOn is not required for core functionality (playing physical media), but is required for any online interaction, including system updates and store access.
Pricing
Finally, our totally real source has given us an advance look at the Box’s pricing range. The lowest end model of the Box will be available for a scant $249.99 at launch, with the highest end model peaking at $599.99. Full details of intermediate models are not yet available.
Again, all of this information was provided by an anonymous (to you), but totally verified and legit (as far as you know) internal Microsoft source.
the ps4 announcement wasn't shown on TV, was it? (it happened only two months ago..my memory don't work too good)
what celebrity is elijah wood popular circa 2005? the dude from avatar?
Maxy in the anger stage of grief. :P
Just for extra trolling MS isn't going to reveal whether the next box is "always online" or not.
Maxy in the anger stage of grief. :PBelieve me,the only thing that annoys me now is Dark Souls,this is all just casual talk to me.
Just for extra trolling MS isn't going to reveal whether the next box is "always online" or not.
Maxy in the anger stage of grief. :PBelieve me,the only thing that annoys me now is Dark Souls,this is all just casual talk to me.
Just for extra trolling MS isn't going to reveal whether the next box is "always online" or not.
MS is going ahead with this always online thing,way too many "rumors".The only thing left is how they will spin it.
Maxy arent you from the Balkans?I live on the Moon :shh
It'd be pretty funny if Sony withheld bluray from MS, forcing them to rely on dd or some sort of exciting new proprietary storage tech.
lol @ maxy's devotion thoughmaybe that's because I meet the minimum requirementsTM and like watching things burn
Yet MS has allegedly chosen the one that's the worst for consumers by far.Quotelol @ maxy's devotion thoughmaybe that's because I meet the minimum requirementsTM and like watching things burn
This is all about blocking used sales,MS and Sony just have different implementations.
Price. Microsoft will initially offer two pricing models for the console, offering a standalone version for $499 and then a $299 version that requires a two-year Xbox LIVE Gold commitment at an expected price of $10 per month.
Two year XBL commitment? Wtf... Who is the target market here?Honestly, if you plan on playing online, 499 is the tard pack here. Paying 299 + 240 over 2 years is only $40 more.
That's not even counting in inflaaation.
Its funny how the sides have flipped in regards to last minute spec buffs :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
That's not even counting in inflaaation.
:snoop
Really? Inflation makes a difference when it's several hundred bucks and 2 years?
Sources tell Polygon that the current version of the next-gen console includes a next-gen approach to video sharing, anti-piracy protection, social networking and a massive expansion of the Xbox 360's popular achievement system.
Microsoft is also trying to come up with a system for video sharing though all of the details are still being locked down. According to our sources, currently the next Xbox will capture your gameplay as if it were a DVR, allowing you to go back and select highlights. That function can be turned on or off, or a player can set up the console to automatically capture a recording when certain in-game events occur, like a headshot or collecting a specific achievement. Auto capturing those "magic moments" will be a feature only available on next-gen games.
Those videos can then be uploaded directly from the console to social sites, like YouTube, for sharing.
Sources tell Polygon that the next Xbox will indeed have some form of an always-on requirement. That will be both to support the suite of non-gaming entertainment applications that will be launched alongside the console, like streaming video services, but also as a possible anti-piracy tool. Currently, the console will support digital rights management and anti-piracy checks using an internet connection. Under Microsoft's current guidelines, which may still be changed, the decision of whether a game will require an internet connection to work and if that is a one-time authentication or a constant connection, will be left up to individual publishers.
THE NEXT XBOX WILL ALLOW PUBLISHERS TO DECIDE IF THEIR GAMES SHOULD REQUIRE AN INTERNET CONNECTION TO BE PLAYED.
The fact that offline gameplay, always online and one-time checks are supported, means that in the future, publishers will have much greater control over copyright protection for their games.
Another thing developers and publishers will have more control over with next-gen Xbox games is the way achievements are used and updated.
With the next Xbox, developers and publishers will be able to add more achievements to a game after launch, without the need to add DLC. This is designed specifically to allow developers to tweak player behavior, perhaps urging players to check out specific areas of a game or get past a difficult spot. Next-gen achievements can also be tied to broader events, like a weekend challenge or a communal goal, like contributing a set number of kills to the bigger goal of 10,000 kills over one weekend. Companies can also create cross-title achievements, like awarding points for finishing the first chapter in two different and unrelated games published by the same company. Some of these bigger, cross-title, communal achievements will be a requirement for all titles.
Microsoft is playing around with cross-platform achievements as well. Ideally, these achievements could be earned by playing a game on the next-gen system and then using a companion app, a website or maybe even by playing a specific game, like a prequel to a next-gen title, on the Xbox 360.
Microsoft is also looking to adjust the way Xbox Live functions to more closely align it with the way other social networks, like Twitter or Facebook, work. The next-generation Live won't have a cap on the number of friends a person can have. The way players add friends will also change. Now instead of it being a two-way friendship only, people can choose to follow one another, sort of like Twitter.
With the next Xbox, developers and publishers will be able to add more achievements to a game after launch, without the need to add DLC. This is designed specifically to allow developers to tweak player behavior, perhaps urging players to check out specific areas of a game or get past a difficult spot
THE NEXT XBOX WILL ALLOW PUBLISHERS TO DECIDE IF THEIR GAMES SHOULD REQUIRE AN INTERNET CONNECTION TO BE PLAYED.
QuoteTHE NEXT XBOX WILL ALLOW PUBLISHERS TO DECIDE IF THEIR GAMES SHOULD REQUIRE AN INTERNET CONNECTION TO BE PLAYED.
If true then its dumbass publishers we will have to look out for since Sony is apparently in the same boat (feature is there but up to publishers)
QuoteTHE NEXT XBOX WILL ALLOW PUBLISHERS TO DECIDE IF THEIR GAMES SHOULD REQUIRE AN INTERNET CONNECTION TO BE PLAYED.
If true then its dumbass publishers we will have to look out for since Sony is apparently in the same boat (feature is there but up to publishers)
which is no different than this gen-- Final Fight/Magic Sword PS3, maybe something else?
That's not even counting in inflaaation.
:snoop
Really? Inflation makes a difference when it's several hundred bucks and 2 years?
Yeah it does.
With an inflation rate of like 1.5 (USA) or 3 (Netherlands) it does make a difference, since you are paying locked in prices while your money has devaluated.
It's another few bucks less of a difference at worst, not to mention you could use the money you havent spent on making money (if you put the 200 bucks in an account you can even counter inflation with a bit of luck doubling your gain even).
Edit: With the amount of money Japan (and some other countries) is printing at the moment the inflation will prob rise even in the near future.
I'd like it if achieves/trophies were based more on interesting challenges rather than collect-em-ups and freebies. For example, clear the game in X amount of time, or clear the game without using X, etc.
Broadly speaking, achievements aren't really there to actually challenge the player. They're mostly acting as the most simple of behavioural rewards.
That bonus round conversation was actually pretty good. The jizzfrothers on gaf are already taken offense to the perceived slights though.
Pretty sure you can turn off the pop up and sound notifications on 360 somewheres.
Somebody give me a cliffs notes on what I'm supposed to be outraged about this week.You can always be outraged about last week outrage.
...That's kinda cool/weird/pointless depending on how you use it I guess. Now you can watch a video and only have part of it look clear on your tv while the rest is on your wall!' ???
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The new game from Respawn is a futuristic multiplayer-centric online shooter, one of our sources says. The source describes the game as a battle of Davids and Goliaths. The Davids are heavily-armed foot soldiers. The Goliaths are the giant exosekeltons—Titans—that these soldiers can pilot. These Titans are big mech-style walkers that move with an agility not seen in games like Mechwarrior or Steel Battalion.
The new Respawn game, one of our sources tells us, is made on a modified version of Valve's Source engine, not on internal EA tech. The source believes the game looks very good on Durango but not as good as EA's internally-made Battlefield 4. That source also says that Respawn is only working on the Durango version of the game and is hand-picking a studio to make the 360 edition.
Fittingly, one of our two sources for the new game tells us that Respawn's futuristic shooter will be designed for multiplayer. In fact, they say, the game is always-online. The always-online detail was also offered by our other source. We haven't been able to clarify whether the game would permit offline play.
We've heard from other sources that Microsoft is not where they want to be at this point in the pre-launch development of Durango. A reliable source—one who was not part of our reporting about the Respawn game—tells us that Microsoft is as much as six months behind in producing content for the new console, despite an expected late-2013 launch.
Another tells us that Microsoft recently cancelled several internal next-gen projects because they were not coming together as hoped. These sources have told us that, comparatively, Sony is in better shape and further along with hardware and software development for PlayStation 4.
i really hope MS have learned their lesson about "Made in Mexico"
Maybe Microsoft is buying out Sony and wants to kill off the Xbox brand?
Guys! something new to be outraged about- possibly HDMI only on the rango according to a gaf thread (no one in the thread has heard of component cables)
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-05-01-molyneux-teases-mystery-appearance-at-microsofts-next-xbox-reveal-event
:-X
i swear to god the curiosity reveal better not be related to next gen.
Call of Duty: Ghosts will set a new Benchmark for the Next Generation
All-New World, Story, Characters and Experience, All Powered by New, Next Gen Call of Duty Engine from the Developer that started it all, Infinity Ward
For an Exclusive First Look at the Game, Tune in to Xbox: The New Generation Revealed, May 21 at 10AM PDT on Xbox.com, Xbox Live or SPIKE TV
Groundbreaking Title Lands on November 5
SANTA MONICA, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- Prepare for the next generation of Call of Duty®. The franchise that has defined a generation of gaming is set to raise the bar once again with the all-new Call of Duty®: Ghosts. Published by Activision Publishing, Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of Activision Blizzard (Nasdaq: ATVI), and developed by Infinity Ward, the studio that created the original Call of Duty and the seminal Call of Duty®: Modern Warfare® series, Call of Duty: Ghosts ushers in the next generation of the franchise. The new title delivers a riveting all-new gameplay experience built on an entirely new story, setting and cast of characters, all powered by a new, next generation Call of Duty engine that redefines the series for the next generation.
"Infinity Ward set the gold standard for first-person action for a generation, and they're going to do it again with Call of Duty: Ghosts," said Eric Hirshberg, CEO of Activision Publishing, Inc. "Ghosts delivers an all-new story, all-new characters, an all-new Call of Duty world, all powered by a next generation Call of Duty engine, which is a leap forward for the franchise. Infinity Ward is going all-in to create the next generation of Call of Duty worthy of the world's greatest fans."
"Everyone was expecting us to make Modern Warfare 4, which would have been the safe thing to do. But we're not resting on our laurels," said Mark Rubin, executive producer of developer Infinity Ward. "We saw the console transition as the perfect opportunity to start a new chapter for Call of Duty. So we're building a new sub-brand, a new engine, and a lot of new ideas and experiences for our players. We can't wait to share them with our community."
To see an exclusive first look at Call of Duty: Ghosts tune in to Xbox: the Next Generation Revealed on May 21 at 10AM PDT on Xbox.com, Xbox LIVE or SPIKE TV for the debut of the all-new game from Infinity Ward.
"We are consistently thrilled with the overwhelming response received from critics and consumers alike to the Call of Duty series, which has firmly established its home on the Xbox 360 with the game's largest and most engaged community," said Don Mattrick, president of the interactive entertainment business at Microsoft. "With Call of Duty: Ghosts, we have no doubt that our longtime partners, Activision and Infinity Ward, will raise the bar higher than ever before for this incredible franchise."
Starting today, fans can begin pre-ordering their copy of Call of Duty: Ghosts at retail outlets worldwide.
"There's no other video game property like Call of Duty. It's the biggest game franchise on the planet that has had some of the biggest game entertainment launches in history," said Tony Bartel, president of GameStop. "We are very excited for the launch of Call of Duty: Ghosts, as we transition to next generation consoles."
Call of Duty: Ghosts will release on Xbox 360® video game and entertainment system from Microsoft, PlayStation®3 computer entertainment system and PC on November 5. Call of Duty: Ghosts will also be available for next generation platforms. For the latest intel, check out: www.callofduty.com/ghosts, www.facebook.com/CODGhosts, or follow on Twitter @InfinityWard. Call of Duty: Ghosts is not yet rated.
but will it support D5 D-Terminal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-Terminal) cables??
Could be Rango exclusive*,imagine the outrage
BF4,COD:Ghosts,Respawn game at xbawks conf...uh oh
outrageeeeeeeeeeeeee
FPS suck anyway,FF FTW
*next gen console exclusive
How to alienate customers and lose friends, by Microsoft.
well, what is your point thenI was commenting on the HDMI only, online only, etc. exclusions of customers and general MS outrage. No need to be all srs business jumping to conclusions.
HDMI only is a trap.Doesn't that introduce dreaded input lag? Well I dread it anyway. I'm already slow enough as it is at action games.
That can be fixed by one optional accessory cable,all you need is digital to analog converter(pretty cheap and small these days).
well, what is your point thenI was commenting on the HDMI only, online only, etc. exclusions of customers and general MS outrage. No need to be all srs business jumping to conclusions.
On his online radio show, Metal Gear creator Hideo Kojima talked about why there wasn't an Xbox 360 version of Metal Gear Solid: The Legacy Collection.
"I'm sorry to say an Xbox 360 version isn't being released, because an Xbox 360 version of MGS4 hasn't gone on sale," Kojima said. "To explain the situation, the amount of data in MGS4 is just too enormous."
The PS3, Kojima pointed out, uses Blu-ray. The Xbox 360 uses DVD. So if Konami were to put out MGS4 on the Xbox 360, one of Kojima's co-hosts added, it would take up seven DVDs. In the past, Kojima has mentioned similar high DVD disc counts for the game—thus, explaining the above meme image from year's past.
"I want to put it [presumably, The Legacy Collection] out [on the Xbox 360]," Kojima continued. "But we won't be releasing it."
"When it's the next [Xbox] console, maybe we can release it [again, presumably, The Legacy Collection]," added Kojima. "If we released a version on the Xbox 360 without MGS4, then it's not The Legacy Collection."
If Microsoft has learned anything from its previous mistakes with launching a product without the matching domains — then it’s quite possible that the company’s next generation console will be called the “Xbox Fusion”.
Microsoft owns the name in a variety of different extensions and it has for years.
Speculation about the name being called “Xbox Fusion” isn’t anything new. But what separates “Xbox Fusion” and only a few other names from the rest of the list, is that not only does Microsoft own the dot-com (WHOIS), it owns a slew of other domains like XboxFusion.info, XboxFusion.biz, XboxFusion.de, XboxFusion.co.uk – the list goes on and on.
Speculation of the next gen console’s name has gone wild, fueled lately by the recent leak on Reddit of what may be the logo.
Names being kicked around include the Xbox 720, Xbox Infinity, Xbox Infinite, Xbox Gold, Xbox 8, Xbox Durango, Xbox Next, and more.
Domain investor Andy Booth – who knows a thing or two about domains with names like samurai.com – dropped me an email out of the blue saying he believes Microsoft will go with “Xbox Fusion” based on the number of names the company has registered and that the “infinity” symbol is also interpreted as “fusion”.
In case you haven’t been keeping a score card of Microsoft’s matching domains, here’s a look:
Xbox720.com (WHOIS) – Microsoft does not own the domain.
XboxInfinity.com (WHOIS) – Microsoft does not own the domain.
Xbox8.com (WHOIS) -Microsoft does not own the domain.
XboxDurango.com (WHOIS) – Microsoft does not own the domain.
XboxInfinite.com (WHOIS) – Microsoft does not own the domain.
XboxFusion.com (WHOIS) – Microsoft owns the domain.
XboxNext.com (WHOIS) – Microsoft owns the domain.
XboxGold.com (WHOIS) – Microsoft owns the domain.
So will Microsoft go with a name it doesn’t currently own? Or with a name already in its portfolio?
We should know in late May.
For those of you who don’t remember, Microsoft got off to a somewhat embarrassing start with the initial release of the Xbox console back in 2001 by not even owning the trademark to Xbox. Although it eventually acquired the mark, Microsoft, like many big companies and their worst kept secrets, has often failed to secure the domain name ahead of time before the product was announced or launched. Halo 4 and Kinect.com are just two examples.
Currently, XboxFusion.com redirects visitors to Xbox.com, while XboxNext and XboxGold redirect users to Bing.
I run a small Xbox fansite in Italy and yesterday a source who already proved to have rieliable infos in the past contacted me with an interesting tip.
He talked with an high level manager of a big entertainment distributor in Italy, who told him that they are already laying down their marketing plans for holiday 2013 and they are counting only on PS4 to launch this year. It is unclear if this is only true for Italy/Europe or it's a global problem, but my source was told that Microsoft is having problems with Blu-ray licensing for movie playback, it seems due to some kind of very long timed exclusive Sony put in place for the console market when the brd standard was created.
I've got no idea how much realistic this brd licensing thing could be: I believe the standard is almost 10 years old now, and even if some sort of exclusive was in place, 10 years would be e very, very lengthy period for an exclusive. On the other side, if this was true would MS be willing to pospone a very important launch for such an issue? I don't know. And, frankly, I hope this rumor to be bullshit: I'm hoping for the console to come out this year. However, as I said, the guy who contacted me proved to be quite reliable and in-the-know in the past, so I thought it deserved to be discussed.
Shameless plug: this is our story about the rumor EDIT: link removed, looks like it's aginst the TOS
http://www.mondoxbox.com/news/38477/rumor-la-prossima-xbox-arriva-nel-2014-a-causa-di-problemi-con-la-licenza-blu-ray.html
Edit - just to clarify: the part about the company marketing expecting to have only PS4 this holiday looks like to be the more reliable information. The Blu-ray stuff could simply be their manager's educated guess, I don't know this for sure.
My expectations
PS4--NA,Europe in fall 2013
Rango--NA fall 2013,Europe early 2014(March)
By the way, I did screw up one thing: The $299 version of Xbox v.Next will come with a $15/mo XBLG subscription, not $10. Sorry about that.
@thurrott yup, and that sub includes family.
Other rumored price was $500 (right?) + 2 year of live ($120) = $620. $300 + $360 ($15x24months) = $660. I guess it depends on the terms and all, and if you're a gold subscriber, and other stuff.
Microsoft can advertise it as $300*. If we pretend the PS4 will 'only' be $500 and Wii U doesn't drop from $300/$350, it might seem like a value.
At that price, yeah. Can't really break the $9.99 point without inviting a lot of "WTF am I really paying for, here?"
Microsoft has long been rumored to be working on a 7-inch version of its Surface tablet, but a new report suggests the company may be preparing to unveil it in June. DigiTimes claims that second-generation Surface devices, with 7- to 9-inch displays, will be announced at Microsoft's Build developer conference in late June. If the report is accurate, then it suggests Microsoft may be preparing more than one Surface device.
An Xbox Surface device emerged shortly before Microsoft's official Surface tablet announcement last year, and we understand the Xbox and Surface teams have been working closely on the company's 7-inch plans. Microsoft is expected to launch a 7-inch Surface-branded tablet, with the company recently changing its Windows 8 tablet specifications to support smaller screen sizes. Microsoft has confirmed it's working closely with OEMs to bring cheaper and smaller Windows tablets to market. A leaked 8-inch Acer tablet suggests these types of devices are imminent.
Microsoft's Build conference will focus on its Windows 8.1 upgrade and the improvements for 7- and 8-inch tablets, we understand. It also follows shortly after Intel's planned Haswell launch on June 3rd and the annual Computex event where OEMs typically announce devices. Intel's new Haswell chips are designed to improve battery life and graphics performance, and The Verge understands Microsoft will continue to update its Surface Pro with the latest Intel chipsets.
yup, people have way more disposable income these days than they did in 2006
yup, people have way more disposable income these days than they did in 2006
Magus 399/499 are good prices for 2013.
yup, people have way more disposable income these days than they did in 2006
If you have a job you have money, if you havent got a job you havent got money. So the disposable income of people with jobs is the same.
299 would be too much for the unemployed.
Magus 399/499 are good prices for 2013.
it's too expensive for me and i'm not a tech head so i don't care about how pretty they can make the graphics,i don't understand why somebody can't announce a console for dirty peasant at 150/200$ for once
i was hoping for the ouya to be that but apparently it sucks so...
and i know the 3ds is cheap,but it's not a home console and it became cheap after it bombed like mad at 250$
If you have a job you have money, if you havent got a job you havent got money. So the disposable income of people with jobs is the same.Smartphones are eating up whatever disposable income people budget for expensive electronics.
299 would be too much for the unemployed.
Sega unveils new Dreamcast game console
By CNN Interactive Producer Dave Ragals
May 21, 1998
Web posted at: 1:38 PM EDT (1338 GMT)
(CNN) -- Sega, which recently pulled its Saturn 32-bit game console off store shelves in North America, today announced details of its next generation console, which it vows will become the number one game platform, with more than 50 percent of the console game market in the near future.
The machine, called Dreamcast, will feature a 128-bit processor, compared to the the 64-bit Nintendo 64 and the 32-bit Sony PlayStation, the current market-leader. It'll be able to create more than 3 million polygons per second with 64 channels of sound.
It will also come with built-in network capabilities for multi-player gaming.
"Dreamcast will combine all the best features of console, PC and Internet gaming," Bernard Stolar, president and CEO of Sega of America, said today at a press conference.
In addition to improving performance, Dreamcast will include several new features -- like a removable memory card that doubles as the world's smallest portable game. When plugged into a Dreamcast controller, the Visual Memory System will let gamers secretly set up plays in sports titles or plan secret attacks in role-playing games, or it can be used as a stand-alone game machine about the size of a business card.
"We had two design goals in creating Dreamcast -- to create a seamless integration of high-performance components and to develop a flexible architecture that can take advantage of future technical developments and new entertainment concepts," said Stolar.
Dreamcast is the result of partnerships with Microsoft, which is providing a customized version of its Windows CE operating software, and several hardware makers. It will run on an adapted version of Hitachi's SH4 RISC chip, an NEC graphics engine and a Yamaha real-time 3D audio chip.
Dreamcast is scheduled to be released in Japan on November 20, and in North America in the fall of 1999.
Should single-player games, Blu-ray playback, and live TV viewing be possible on a gaming console with no Internet connection? Most gamers would say "yes," but they have been worried that Microsoft feels differently; the next generation Xbox has been consistently rumored to require a permanent network connection.
It won't.
According to an internal Microsoft e-mail sent to all full-time employees working on the next Xbox, "Durango [the codename for the next Xbox] is designed to deliver the future of entertainment while engineered to be tolerant of today's Internet." It continues, "There are a number of scenarios that our users expect to work without an Internet connection, and those should 'just work' regardless of their current connection status. Those include, but are not limited to: playing a Blu-ray disc, watching live TV, and yes playing a single player game."
How far this offline support will extend still isn't clear. It could take the form of a fully offline mode akin to that on the Xbox 360 (insert optical disc, install game, play, all without an Internet connection) or it could be more like Steam (install and activate online but enable subsequent offline play once this has been done).
While one could argue that "installing a game" is one of the "scenarios" that gamers "expect to work" when offline, a more Steam-like approach would be consistent with rumors that the next Xbox will use its Internet connection to block installation of secondhand games.
Still, though the next Xbox won't make everybody happy, it looks like fears that the console will be useless when your broadband goes down have been overblown.
Magus 399/499 are good prices for 2013.
The idea of spending 400/500 on a console and then 60 on a game, i dont know if thats me anymore. Maybe a year or two into the gen.
Dont even know if I will jump in at launch. I have loads of games left to play on steam, lots of stuff I havent even purchased yet or that is still not out (grim dawn, shadowrun, southpark) that I can play on my laptop... I play like 7/10 hours a week max so im good to go for ages.
The idea of spending 400/500 on a console and then 60 on a game, i dont know if thats me anymore. Maybe a year or two into the gen.
the goddam salt flowing at gaf is filling me up with pure joy.
Why are people so angry over video games? Oh well, back to enjoying my video game. :-[
If you have a job you have money, if you havent got a job you havent got money. So the disposable income of people with jobs is the same.
People have more disposible income now based on how much is spent on yearly smart phone updates, Kindle, tablets, etc. The question is moreso whether those people are interested in a gaming system. They already have devices and services that do everything, Comcast Triple Play etc.
Gaming is dominated by young men with money to waste, and I'd imagine many will jump on board the next gen; especially as their friends start playing next gen CoD more than the 360 version. To me personally $500 is money I could think of better things to spend on, like upgrading my PC. But I know plenty of guys who started saving for the next Xbox last year; from guys with good jobs in finance to cashiers to unemployed students. Ironically they all now plan in getting a PS4 instead haha, but perhaps MS' clarification on "always online" will bring them back.
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/05/microsoft-next-xbox-will-work-even-when-your-internet-doesnt/ (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/05/microsoft-next-xbox-will-work-even-when-your-internet-doesnt/)QuoteShould single-player games, Blu-ray playback, and live TV viewing be possible on a gaming console with no Internet connection? Most gamers would say "yes," but they have been worried that Microsoft feels differently; the next generation Xbox has been consistently rumored to require a permanent network connection.
It won't.
According to an internal Microsoft e-mail sent to all full-time employees working on the next Xbox, "Durango [the codename for the next Xbox] is designed to deliver the future of entertainment while engineered to be tolerant of today's Internet." It continues, "There are a number of scenarios that our users expect to work without an Internet connection, and those should 'just work' regardless of their current connection status. Those include, but are not limited to: playing a Blu-ray disc, watching live TV, and yes playing a single player game."
How far this offline support will extend still isn't clear. It could take the form of a fully offline mode akin to that on the Xbox 360 (insert optical disc, install game, play, all without an Internet connection) or it could be more like Steam (install and activate online but enable subsequent offline play once this has been done).
While one could argue that "installing a game" is one of the "scenarios" that gamers "expect to work" when offline, a more Steam-like approach would be consistent with rumors that the next Xbox will use its Internet connection to block installation of secondhand games.
Still, though the next Xbox won't make everybody happy, it looks like fears that the console will be useless when your broadband goes down have been overblown.
Guess that settles that.
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/05/microsoft-next-xbox-will-work-even-when-your-internet-doesnt/ (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/05/microsoft-next-xbox-will-work-even-when-your-internet-doesnt/)QuoteShould single-player games, Blu-ray playback, and live TV viewing be possible on a gaming console with no Internet connection? Most gamers would say "yes," but they have been worried that Microsoft feels differently; the next generation Xbox has been consistently rumored to require a permanent network connection.
It won't.
According to an internal Microsoft e-mail sent to all full-time employees working on the next Xbox, "Durango [the codename for the next Xbox] is designed to deliver the future of entertainment while engineered to be tolerant of today's Internet." It continues, "There are a number of scenarios that our users expect to work without an Internet connection, and those should 'just work' regardless of their current connection status. Those include, but are not limited to: playing a Blu-ray disc, watching live TV, and yes playing a single player game."
How far this offline support will extend still isn't clear. It could take the form of a fully offline mode akin to that on the Xbox 360 (insert optical disc, install game, play, all without an Internet connection) or it could be more like Steam (install and activate online but enable subsequent offline play once this has been done).
While one could argue that "installing a game" is one of the "scenarios" that gamers "expect to work" when offline, a more Steam-like approach would be consistent with rumors that the next Xbox will use its Internet connection to block installation of secondhand games.
Still, though the next Xbox won't make everybody happy, it looks like fears that the console will be useless when your broadband goes down have been overblown.
Guess that settles that.
This is the first bit of news that has made me wish I wasn't banned at GAF... I would be rubbing this in so many of their dumb fucking interweb virtual faces. I can't accurately convey how tired of reading the melodramatics of functionally distinguished mentally-challenged aspies and wind-up merchants I have become, and I'm now not able to revel in some of the first bits of news that clearly shatters the illusion that they have any meaningful insider knowledge and in fact shows them to be a piss-poor shower of dim witted, self important, over-reactionary cunts.
People have more disposible income now based on how much is spent on yearly smart phone updates, Kindle, tablets, etc. The question is moreso whether those people are interested in a gaming system. They already have devices and services that do everything, Comcast Triple Play etc.
Gaming is dominated by young men with money to waste, and I'd imagine many will jump on board the next gen; especially as their friends start playing next gen CoD more than the 360 version. To me personally $500 is money I could think of better things to spend on, like upgrading my PC. But I know plenty of guys who started saving for the next Xbox last year; from guys with good jobs in finance to cashiers to unemployed students. Ironically they all now plan in getting a PS4 instead haha, but perhaps MS' clarification on "always online" will bring them back.
But those smart phones and tablets are replacing dumb phones, iPods, dedicated portable gaming devices, cameras and PC updates. More money has not magically been created
Jfags have been calling the Xbox dead since day 1 but look who's still standing
:mynicca
hey now, i'm not calling the xbox in particular dead
i'm calling the entire traditional console industry dead
why go to GAF? Just dig back in this thread for doomsaying from 95% of posters
i'm still doomsaying
come at me bro
Given that seemingly no-one intends to buy Day One anyway, it's pretty ridiculous. Just wait and see.
you're expecting it to outsell the 360 in europe, dc?
interesting prediction.
I still say that's a weird call. In the UK, sure, but the rest of Europe actually cooled down towards the 360 more and more as the generation progressed. I can't imagine they're going to be hopping to get the new one unless Sony somehow bungles worse than they did with the PS3.
I still say that's a weird call. In the UK, sure, but the rest of Europe actually cooled down towards the 360 more and more as the generation progressed. I can't imagine they're going to be hopping to get the new one unless Sony somehow bungles worse than they did with the PS3.
I'm sticking with it - i expect MS to be more aggressive in getting the hardware to people at prices they can afford than Sony.
Looking at EA numbers, they make more money on Playstation then Xbox. In light of this I wonder what they will announce in two weeks.
I hope Rango will allow me to direct order delivery prescriptions on demand:
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Paul Thurott on WW podcast:
* Nextbox will have 500GB
* There's going to be a logo change
Mary Jo:
* always on/line on nextbox = connected standy on win8
Shit name.
what'll the next one be called? you kinda can't move on from infinity...OH, i get it. xbox will be dead by the end of next gen.
:yuck
This quality of posting in this thread would fit right in over at GAF
But I don't remember it well.You are getting old.
Ermahgherd!QuoteBut I don't remember it well.You are getting old.
and bald probably
10 more days :drool
You don't have to attack to be a fanboy, Stoney. Andy doesn't attack much, after all. But hey, no worries, I've said before that pretty much anyone who cares about a hobby is a fanboy to some extent. I only think it's funny cuz you totally flew under my radar until recently. Like, I think I have vague memories of you Xtarding at the beginning of last gen? But I don't remember it well.
At any rate, you don't care and I only find it kinda funny so there's not much to sweat here.
XTARD
i'm a tard for my modded xbox 1, the thing is freakin' rad.
i'm a tard for my modded xbox 1, the thing is freakin' rad.
Every thread on here is a GAF thread.
Well, that one is a matter of definition, but we are all from GAF, and we do have a 200 page WiiU thread without even one WiiU fan actively posting anymore. We even have a sad sack OT relationship thread.
Bep has social anxiety? Isn't he a lawyer?
Lol demi would do it just for some freeIphone games.nude pics of fat people
would you want 100 of him here?
Here, the inmates run the asylum. On GAF if someone is being a twat but doing it within the confines of "the rules" then there's not much to be done for it.
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Some boring rumors
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Lionhead people seem to be pretty excited,we'll see what they have done without Mr.Bald.
New gen Fable :hyper
is it some scary dog ailment? I thought it was just a funny gif.
I really think that sadly the only major difference between GAF and here is a simple matter of size. If the Bore had like 7000 active members at any given time it'd be just as distinguished mentally-challenged as GAF. Instead of one Methodis, there would be one hundred. Instead of one salesfag, there would be one hundred. Instead of a couple of scattered Nintards, there would be a thousand. It's all very frightening stuff.
We have a membership policy? I was pretty sure one of the few differentiating points of the Bore beyond simple scale is that anyone can just walk in anytime.
But sure, we never have to worry about the size problem. I only bring it up because we really shouldn't let it get to our heads that discussion is generally more tolerable here than there. It's not because any of us are special.
Think we'll get anything as embarrassing as PD Zero this time?
people still think the shiny bricks in the second mission look good
is it some scary dog ailment? I thought it was just a funny gif.Some boring rumors
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Lionhead people seem to be pretty excited,we'll see what they have done without Mr.Bald.
New gen Fable :hyper
I mean...this isn't even Peter Molyneaux Lionhead. I don't like his crap a bit, but he was the heart and soul of Lionhead, right? They're just another unremarkable studio without him.
Either way, it'll be an "experience" game with Kinect integration that I don't care about.
I still say Kameo was gorgeous and awfully playable for a launch title. Yeah, it had the usual shit Rare character design and sloppy gameplay design, but it was a beautiful game that was more than satisfying as a launch adventure.
The first 6 months of Xbox 360 were awesome. Dead Rising. Oblivion. PDZ. Kameo. Condemned. Others I know I've forgotten. But those specifically I played quite a bit. I spent ungodly amounts of time on Oblivion and Dead Rising.
Oh man, I forgot about GRAW. That game was awesome. I still go back and play it sometimes. Yep. Definitely an awesome start.The first 6 months of Xbox 360 were awesome. Dead Rising. Oblivion. PDZ. Kameo. Condemned. Others I know I've forgotten. But those specifically I played quite a bit. I spent ungodly amounts of time on Oblivion and Dead Rising.
NFS Most Wanted was fucking awesome too (I think it is way better than the 2012 Most Wanted game). I had a Japanese 360 (since the American 360s were next to impossible to find) and played a lot of Dynasty Warriors 5 Special as well.
The first GRAW came out in the first few months too. The 360 had a great start.
Dead Rising was the following August.Oops. Yeah, you're right. It did come out in August.
I know because I didn't like Oblivion or GRAW and had to wait a very long time for a new game, with a SF2 Turbo port to tide me over. I tried to get really excited about Table Tennis and it was good, but that didn't hold my attention for very long.
PDZ had it's moments and Kameo did too but both had issues and questionable art direction
However, i suspect most people thinking the games "looked shit" didn't get beyond Wallguy for PDZ or some of the early shots of Kameo.
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I really think that sadly the only major difference between GAF and here is a simple matter of size. If the Bore had like 7000 active members at any given time it'd be just as distinguished mentally-challenged as GAF. Instead of one Methodis, there would be one hundred. Instead of one salesfag, there would be one hundred. Instead of a couple of scattered Nintards, there would be a thousand. It's all very frightening stuff.
Don't forget the draconian moderation.
BORK PLS
PDZ multi owned until COD4 and Halo 3 were released.
Never played PDZ or Kameo.
Bad xbot?
:gloomy
My first game was GRAW after that Oblivion(played it for like 8 months every day).
The first 6 months of Xbox 360 were awesome. Dead Rising. Oblivion. PDZ. Kameo. Condemned. Others I know I've forgotten. But those specifically I played quite a bit. I spent ungodly amounts of time on Oblivion and Dead Rising.
Oh man, I forgot about GRAW. That game was awesome. I still go back and play it sometimes. Yep. Definitely an awesome start.The first 6 months of Xbox 360 were awesome. Dead Rising. Oblivion. PDZ. Kameo. Condemned. Others I know I've forgotten. But those specifically I played quite a bit. I spent ungodly amounts of time on Oblivion and Dead Rising.
NFS Most Wanted was fucking awesome too (I think it is way better than the 2012 Most Wanted game). I had a Japanese 360 (since the American 360s were next to impossible to find) and played a lot of Dynasty Warriors 5 Special as well.
The first GRAW came out in the first few months too. The 360 had a great start.Dead Rising was the following August.Oops. Yeah, you're right. It did come out in August.
I know because I didn't like Oblivion or GRAW and had to wait a very long time for a new game, with a SF2 Turbo port to tide me over. I tried to get really excited about Table Tennis and it was good, but that didn't hold my attention for very long.
I guess it just means the entire first year was awesome. 8) I remember GAF going nuts for the table tennis game and I just didn't see the appeal.
I really think that sadly the only major difference between GAF and here is a simple matter of size. If the Bore had like 7000 active members at any given time it'd be just as distinguished mentally-challenged as GAF. Instead of one Methodis, there would be one hundred. Instead of one salesfag, there would be one hundred. Instead of a couple of scattered Nintards, there would be a thousand. It's all very frightening stuff.
Don't forget the draconian moderation.
BORK PLS
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Oh man, I forgot about GRAW. That game was awesome. I still go back and play it sometimes. Yep. Definitely an awesome start.The first 6 months of Xbox 360 were awesome. Dead Rising. Oblivion. PDZ. Kameo. Condemned. Others I know I've forgotten. But those specifically I played quite a bit. I spent ungodly amounts of time on Oblivion and Dead Rising.
NFS Most Wanted was fucking awesome too (I think it is way better than the 2012 Most Wanted game). I had a Japanese 360 (since the American 360s were next to impossible to find) and played a lot of Dynasty Warriors 5 Special as well.
The first GRAW came out in the first few months too. The 360 had a great start.Dead Rising was the following August.Oops. Yeah, you're right. It did come out in August.
I know because I didn't like Oblivion or GRAW and had to wait a very long time for a new game, with a SF2 Turbo port to tide me over. I tried to get really excited about Table Tennis and it was good, but that didn't hold my attention for very long.
I guess it just means the entire first year was awesome. 8) I remember GAF going nuts for the table tennis game and I just didn't see the appeal.
Uno was pretty big for XBLA in the early months at GAF for some reason.
However, i suspect most people thinking the games "looked shit" didn't get beyond Wallguy for PDZ or some of the early shots of Kameo.
Some PS3 games dont get the props either, like Resistance and Motorstorm. When I first got a ps3 after already owning a 360 I was still impressed by both, maybe mainly due to the fact my expectations where sat low by 360 fans dismissing both.I was blown away by Uncharted when it came out. That game sold me on the PS3.
Now that I think of it I wasnt too hyped for last gen either before it hit, only after getting a 360 I was like woooow gaming is good again.
whats so funny ???
it's called Call of Duty Ghosts because when you see it, you turn 360 degrees and walk away
it's called Call of Duty Ghosts because when you see it, you turn 360 degrees and walk away
So, you make a full circle and walk directly into it?
I know that joke.
EA is doing away with its Online Pass program from this point forward, a decision the video game publisher says is partially based on player response.
“Yes, we’re discontinuing Online Pass,” EA senior director of corporate communications John Reseburg confirmed to GamesBeat in an e-mail. “None of our new EA titles will include that feature.”
As far as Rango goes,I expect a system that is fully under real-time publisher control.Internet required for blocking used sales--one time activation or always connected,time limit can be chosen.
jeez don, you're over in the gaf thread telling radiohead americans aren't all gullible and you're over here believing vita's going to have a big show of unannounced titles at e3 and ea's cutting online passes has nothing to do with another method of blocking used
you can't have it both ways, my man
because it's funny, honey, nothing more
I just want EA to come back to Steam. :-[
I predict another showing of the Agni's Philosophy demo
Please be excited
Maxy, please create a Nextbox thread tonight and include the most relevant information we know so far in preparation for tomorrow. I've just squeezed my titties and it seems my xfag juices started flowing.
wait, no thread title update for sugardvd streaming?!SHIT THEY HAVE A FREE TRAIL!
i guess nsfw (no nudity):
http://sugarsweettalk.com/2012/11/14/sugardvd-unveils-unlimited-porn-app-for-xbox-360/
Supposedly the Xbox One has 5GB of ram available for games (3GB for the OS). Can't remember what was rumored for the PS3 (I think 2 for the OS?). One of them is lowering the bar.
wait, no thread title update for sugardvd streaming?!This is already available for PS3? It's a great idea, but I'm stunned that MS and Sony are willing to deal with the potential PR troubles.
i guess nsfw (no nudity):
http://sugarsweettalk.com/2012/11/14/sugardvd-unveils-unlimited-porn-app-for-xbox-360/
lol:I've been out of the USA for a bit; is that Honey Boo-Boo?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1357976&postcount=397
this is who the mtv thing was targeted at:
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Pretty much everyone should be desperate, because the way things have been running is rapidly entering the endgame.
Pretty much everyone should be desperate, because the way things have been running is rapidly entering the endgame.
The death of the game journalism industry is going to be particularly sweet.
The death of Kotaku :rejoice
Platinum Games' Wonderful 180
aww, mcd thinks iOS peeps don't get their knickers in a twist about android exclusives and vice versa, how cutenah, I know mobile fans get salty. I'm using windows phone, I know that feel well.
go read kairosoft's Facebook page comments for a larf sometime
gamers are horrible no matter what form they take.
Despite the turn around, I STILL think we should treat ANYONE who buys an Xbox One on this site as a dunce worse than someone who bought a Wii U.It's already got better games than the WiiU will ever have, so nope.
Maybe CBOAT is Dolphins1925How does Vince have xbone info access? :lolspoiler (click to show/hide)only rassling geeks will understand[close]
Android fans are on par with other fanboys, they suffer from the same persecution syndrome that nintendo fans have.
Despite the turn around, I STILL think we should treat ANYONE who buys an Xbox One on this site as a dunce worse than someone who bought a Wii U.
Endoscopic photo of maxy's vagina courtesy of his concerned gynecologist.
I see some people still believe in consoles.Next year will be fun.
$60+ games + online paywall versus cheap games+no paywall+tons of cheap hardware that gets more and more powerful + + +
Everything else except consoles.I see some people still believe in consoles.Next year will be fun.
$60+ games + online paywall versus cheap games+no paywall+tons of cheap hardware that gets more and more powerful + + +
What is this cheap hardware that gets more and more powerful?
What happened to console BC?
First Xbox was x86.What happened to console BC?
PowerPC losing favor is what happened.
I see some people still believe in consoles.Next year will be fun.I've been playing PC games for 25 years and I'm still getting a PS4 for first-party exclusives. Multiplatform games I'll get for PC, but that's no different from the current gen.
$60+ games + online paywall versus cheap games+no paywall+tons of cheap hardware that gets more and more powerful + + +
Everything else except consoles.I see some people still believe in consoles.Next year will be fun.
$60+ games + online paywall versus cheap games+no paywall+tons of cheap hardware that gets more and more powerful + + +
What is this cheap hardware that gets more and more powerful?
What happened to console BC?
First Xbox was x86.What happened to console BC?
PowerPC losing favor is what happened.
Architecture is just an excuse.I can understand BC problems/money but not a single digital game transferring over...come on
This is a stupid post, even by your standards Shaka.Have you ever bought any digital game?Tell me,what can you do with digital games?First Xbox was x86.What happened to console BC?
PowerPC losing favor is what happened.
Architecture is just an excuse.I can understand BC problems/money but not a single digital game transferring over...come on
This is a stupid post, even by your standards maxy.
What's so unique about digital games' code that could facilitate the transfer over retail games?
:snoopFirst Xbox was x86.What happened to console BC?
PowerPC losing favor is what happened.
Architecture is just an excuse.I can understand BC problems/money but not a single digital game transferring over...come on
I can understand BC problems/money
I was specifically talking about code, and you just admitted that "architecture" is a valid excuse.I agree.
So youre suprised that ms and sony dont want to sink millions into making something that doesnt give them any benefit?
First Xbox was x86.What happened to console BC?
PowerPC losing favor is what happened.
Architecture is just an excuse.I can understand BC problems/money but not a single digital game transferring over...come on
First Xbox was x86.What happened to console BC?
PowerPC losing favor is what happened.
No, like the PS3 it's PPC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenon_(processor)) in processor. Therefore going back to Intel/x86 broke BC.
Only reason Gamecube->Wii->Wee-ooo happened was because Nintendo didn't jump ship from it.QuoteArchitecture is just an excuse.I can understand BC problems/money but not a single digital game transferring over...come on
:sabu Expecting digital titles that are built on a previous consoles hardware/architecture to jump over to a new architecture along with disc-based titles that were coded for the previous architecture. :whew Thanks for the laugh.
You'd have better luck begging the publishers and devs to re-release their PC ports on the PS4 and X-box. There you have a case in regards to "x86."
I don't know man, there are some games that refuse to run on my pc because I have a 64 bit OS :fbm
There's one next gen console that's BC.spoiler (click to show/hide)PC, duh.[close]
There's one next gen console that's BC.spoiler (click to show/hide)PC, duh.[close]
You forget 3DS? :wag
There's one next gen console that's BC.spoiler (click to show/hide)PC, duh.[close]
i don't remember seeing generational fatigue set in negative three months in to a new console generation before.
It's already got better games than the WiiU will ever have, so nope.
We know that feeling: the one where you sit down, wait for a new game to finish downloading and installing, start it for the first time, and want it to rock. The intro sucks you in, you press a button to shoot, jump, or talk for the first time, and then it's suddenly three a.m. We know that feeling, and the one afterwards of knowing that not only does a game rock, but that it was worth every dollar you spent on it.
We hope every game you play on Origin will meet this high bar, and we're happy to say that starting today, we can guarantee that we'll make things right if you decide the game you just bought didn’t live up to your expectations.
The new Origin Great Game Guarantee works like this: You may return EA full game downloads (PC or Mac) purchased on Origin for a full refund--within 24 hours after you first launch the game, within seven days from when you purchased it, or within the first seven days after the game's release date if you pre-ordered it (whichever of these conditions happens first).
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EA :bow2
That's risky.
The catassing contingency are going to play and return things as many times as they can get away with it. If there are Origin achievements, they'll do it just for those. I guess it won't cost EA anything in physical goods, and maybe it will give them more robust "sales" (total downloads) figures, but this seems like a bad idea.
EA :bow2
Are you watching their stream? I'm amazed it doesn't have a thread... its been horribad so far
http://live-event.ea.com/gamescom/
The Sims 4 announced, releasing 2014 on PC
Command & Conquer, launching 2013, free on PC
Dragon Age Inquisition dev diary shown
PvZ 2 'Far Future' content announced
PvZ Garden Warfare - yes, you can play as zombies. Boss mode announced. Uses Kinect and SmartGlass.
Peggle 2 shown. Looks like Peggle.
EA Sports UFC releases Spring 2014.
NFS Rivals shown.
TitanFall new map shown.
FIFA 14 shown.
gaf summaryQuoteThe Sims 4 announced, releasing 2014 on PC :holeup
Command & Conquer, launching 2013, free on PC :holeup
Dragon Age Inquisition dev diary shown :holeup
PvZ 2 'Far Future' content announced :holeup
PvZ Garden Warfare - yes, you can play as zombies. Boss mode announced. Uses Kinect and SmartGlass. :holeup
Peggle 2 shown. Looks like Peggle. :obama
EA Sports UFC releases Spring 2014. :larry
NFS Rivals shown. :larry
TitanFall new map shown. :larry
FIFA 14 shown.:larry
Honest question: is there anyone left who's still interested in the Dragon Age franchise?
Honest question: is there anyone left who's still interested in the Dragon Age franchise?
That girl Brittany I met from Geek Love :P
I'm interested in Inquisition, but far from a day 1 purchase. I didn't mind DA2's gameplay.
I'm interested in Inquisition, but far from a day 1 purchase. I didn't mind DA2's gameplay.
Another wave!