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Title: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2010, 06:33:47 PM
nba thread stuff

Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 01, 2010, 07:03:14 PM
I forgot Yao Ming existed
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 01, 2010, 07:05:59 PM
why the fuck is Tracy McGrady still playing
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 01, 2010, 07:24:09 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 01, 2010, 07:03:14 PM
I forgot Shaq existed

Quote from: BrandNew on July 01, 2010, 07:05:59 PM
why the fuck is Shaq still playing

fixed

utter disgrace :yuck
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Himu on July 01, 2010, 07:26:28 PM
yao ming hasn't played in like a year and a half due to injury
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Himu on July 01, 2010, 07:30:10 PM
i really wonder how the rockets are going to play with yao. As much as I like Yao and as much as he's a big part of Houston culture, I think it's time to let him go. He doesn't really click with the current Rockets' playstyle. For the past twenty years, the Rockets have employed a slower style because they mostly catered to big, tall centers. In the past year without Yao, their style has changed dramatically. We've now got young players and play at a faster pace, than compared to when we had both Yao or Hakeem on the court. I've never seen the Rockets play aggressive like that in my life and I'd like to see it continue.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 01, 2010, 07:35:36 PM
I think Yao would still be OK with the new teammates.  He's never been selfish so he won't be whining if his scoring average dropped by a few points.  Post scoring is still essential to winning a championship when the tempo slows way down.  There are so few skilled big men that teams should absolutely try to make things work if they got one. 
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 01, 2010, 08:04:12 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on July 01, 2010, 07:24:09 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 01, 2010, 07:03:14 PM
I forgot Shaq existed

Quote from: BrandNew on July 01, 2010, 07:05:59 PM
why the fuck is Shaq still playing

fixed

utter disgrace :yuck
smh hater

So Shaq is stuck with the Cavs lol?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 01, 2010, 08:08:16 PM
I just sent a round-up email to a couple of friends so I'll paste it

Joe Johnson and Rudy Gay likely staying put for the respective maxes - makes total sense for them since they'll be very much overpaid. No rings in their immediate future then.

Amare - Sarver clearly low-balled him so he's gone. Nets/Knicks/Heat.

Phil Jackson/Doc Rivers - back

Darko - Wolves inexplicably gave him a big contract AND signed another Euro center (former 2nd rd pick) to a hefty deal. And they now want to trade their franchise player (Al Jefferson). Darko's total NBA  contract value to date now comes to $58 million, and he's still what, 25? Chad Ford says his agent deserves some kind of lifetime achievement award.

Byron Scott to coach the Cavs. Brian Shaw turned them down in the hopes that Phil Jackson wouldn't return to the Lakers. Ooops. He had a shot at coaching LeBron for the next decade there.

Knicks pitch contains a new wrinkle - they want the big guns to sign 3yr deals for less than the max to get 3 players, then re-sign them for more cash later (having their Bird rights would allow them to exceed the max). Cunning. Also, they plan to go after Melo next year as well.

And finally - LeBron says he'll decide by Monday!

Watching all the pieces fly around the board is so much fun. Pat Riley must be loving this. Can you imagine the phone conversations that are going on right now? What a great documentary this could be. I think i'd watch a 10 part HBO miniseries on this.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 01, 2010, 08:08:55 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 01, 2010, 08:04:12 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on July 01, 2010, 07:24:09 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 01, 2010, 07:03:14 PM
I forgot Shaq existed

Quote from: BrandNew on July 01, 2010, 07:05:59 PM
why the fuck is Shaq still playing

fixed

utter disgrace :yuck
smh hater

So Shaq is stuck with the Cavs lol?

You don't think that Shaq is disgracing his legacy?  ::)
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 01, 2010, 08:18:54 PM
Shaq is my favorite player of all time. I think the latter part of his career could have gone much better if he had taken care of himself throughout the years

I'm glad FA has started but I also can't wait for it to end. If LeBron is serious about winning, his main options should be Chicago, Miami, and the Nets. The Knicks would be Cavs redux - actually they'd be even worse. Chicago has a stud PG, a nice banger/glue guy in Noah, and some other good pieces; only bad thing would be that the Jordan comparisons/pressure would be even higher.

Miami would be nice, especially if they can get Bosh too.  The Nets have a nice front court and a good pg.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Beezy on July 01, 2010, 08:21:10 PM
I don't care what the logical decision is, I want him to come to the Knicks. If not, then at least go to a team that is guaranteed to shit on the Lakers next season. Make the Miami dream team (no, I don't actually think there's any chance of this happening).
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: OptimoPeach on July 01, 2010, 08:26:09 PM
I don't care where any of the big names end up as long as they all end up in a different city than where they are now. Would be a nice way to spice up the league
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 01, 2010, 08:26:43 PM
If I were LeBron, I'd go to Chicago and not stick with exactly the team they have. They'd be better off spending the rest of their cap space on free agent bargains this year/next year rather than reaching for Bosh or Wade (or worst of all, giving the max to someone who doesn't deserve it like Johnson, Gay or Amar'e).

P.S. next year is going to be a bargain hunt galore thanks to the new collective bargaining agreement. A ton of players are going to take huge paycuts. A team with space will be able to clean up if they're smart. So Knicks fans, do not despair. Cap space will still be awesome to have next year.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 01, 2010, 08:27:57 PM
As much as I hate the fact, NY is probably the only place that can restore and even increase the respect and glamor that Bron lost from not winning a championship.  If they can convince so many that Jeter was the best player of the last decade, they'll have no problems doing the same for The King.  
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2010, 08:30:06 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 01, 2010, 08:08:16 PM
Darko - Wolves inexplicably gave him a big contract AND signed another Euro center (former 2nd rd pick) to a hefty deal.

I remember reading an SI article when Darko came out about how he reminded some scout of Wilt Chamberlain.

 :rofl
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 01, 2010, 08:30:46 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on July 01, 2010, 08:27:57 PM
As much as I hate the fact, NY is probably the only place that can restore and even increase the respect and glamor that Bron lost from not winning a championship.  If they can convince so many that Jeter was the best player of the last decade, they'll have no problems doing the same for The King.  

Really? He could go to Chicago and win a title at 25 vs 29 for Jordan. And the Dream Team thing in Miami would be the biggest thing in years, if they can swing it. Every game would be an event.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2010, 08:31:56 PM
I've said before for Lebron it should either be Chicago or whatever team can create a cocktail and match him up with another potential superstar (Let's be honest here. Wade)
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 01, 2010, 08:33:34 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2010, 08:30:06 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 01, 2010, 08:08:16 PM
Darko - Wolves inexplicably gave him a big contract AND signed another Euro center (former 2nd rd pick) to a hefty deal.

I remember reading an SI article when Darko came out about how he reminded some scout of Wilt Chamberlain.

 :rofl


Yeah, and Darko said he modeled his game on KG. The same agent also got huge deals for Sam Dalembert and Benu Udrih, btw. Over $150 million for those 3!
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: DJ_Tet on July 01, 2010, 08:34:15 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 01, 2010, 08:30:46 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on July 01, 2010, 08:27:57 PM
As much as I hate the fact, NY is probably the only place that can restore and even increase the respect and glamor that Bron lost from not winning a championship.  If they can convince so many that Jeter was the best player of the last decade, they'll have no problems doing the same for The King.  

Really? He could go to Chicago and win a title at 25 vs 29 for Jordan. And the Dream Team thing in Miami would be the biggest thing in years, if they can swing it. Every game would be an event.

Yeah.  All the 'pundits' like to point out that MJ won before his 7th year in the league but they neglect to point out that MJ went to three years of college and was a lot older than LeBron is now when he won his first championship.  
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 01, 2010, 08:35:51 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on July 01, 2010, 08:27:57 PM
As much as I hate the fact, NY is probably the only place that can restore and even increase the respect and glamor that Bron lost from not winning a championship.  If they can convince so many that Jeter was the best player of the last decade, they'll have no problems doing the same for The King.  

But Jeter is the hometown hero, though. He's a "real" Yankee. LeBron would just be like the mercenary player coming to New York for the spotlight (ala A-Rod). Unless he wins a championship right off the bat, he's going to come under a lot more scrutiny than he would in Ohio. And do the Knicks look like a team that's ready to win even with LeBron?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 01, 2010, 08:38:21 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2010, 08:31:56 PM
I've said before for Lebron it should either be Chicago or whatever team can create a cocktail and match him up with another potential superstar (Let's be honest here. Wade)

Chicago really makes the most sense for him as a team. Sure, there would be some issues with him and Rose needing the ball. But the biggest problem LeBron has is that he has HAD to be the ball-handler all this time, so it's too easy for defenses to collapse on him. He can learn to work with Rose.

And the other pieces fit very nicely around him. Deng is a bit overpaid and they might want to move him if they can, but if he stays, he's still a great 3rd option. He has no inside game but wouldn't need one.

Tom Thibodeau (the Celtics defensive guru) just signed as coach, which is also perfect. Rose could be a Gary Payton level defensive player under the aegis of someone like Thibodeau, especially if the pressure to score was taken away. Just look at how Rondo developed. That team could challenge right away, I think, whether or not they get Bosh, Amar'e or whoever. In a couple of years, they would likely be the favorites.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 01, 2010, 08:40:46 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 01, 2010, 08:30:46 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on July 01, 2010, 08:27:57 PM
As much as I hate the fact, NY is probably the only place that can restore and even increase the respect and glamor that Bron lost from not winning a championship.  If they can convince so many that Jeter was the best player of the last decade, they'll have no problems doing the same for The King.  

Really? He could go to Chicago and win a title at 25 vs 29 for Jordan. And the Dream Team thing in Miami would be the biggest thing in years, if they can swing it. Every game would be an event.

NY media is the master of hagiographic hyperbole, kinda like how the English media is with regards to the soccer team before every tournament.  For years, NY has been called the Mecaa of the basketball world even though NY collegiate and professional teams have been mostly irrelevant for years.  There is still a lot of talk about NY point guards being the shit even though most of them failed to live up to the hype.  

Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on July 01, 2010, 08:35:51 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on July 01, 2010, 08:27:57 PM
As much as I hate the fact, NY is probably the only place that can restore and even increase the respect and glamor that Bron lost from not winning a championship.  If they can convince so many that Jeter was the best player of the last decade, they'll have no problems doing the same for The King. 

But Jeter is the hometown hero, though. He's a "real" Yankee. LeBron would just be like the mercenary player coming to New York for the spotlight (ala A-Rod). Unless he wins a championship right off the bat, he's going to come under a lot more scrutiny than he would in Ohio. And do the Knicks look like a team that's ready to win even with LeBron?

NY fans want Lebron though, unlike Arod.  Most of them hated Arod because he played the same position as Jeter and was considered the better player by everyone outside of NY. 
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 01, 2010, 08:42:44 PM
I think Lebron stays in Cleveland.  Chicago gets Bosh and possibly Wade, but I wouldn't count on Wade leaving either.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 01, 2010, 08:43:16 PM
Quote from: DJ_Tet on July 01, 2010, 08:34:15 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 01, 2010, 08:30:46 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on July 01, 2010, 08:27:57 PM
As much as I hate the fact, NY is probably the only place that can restore and even increase the respect and glamor that Bron lost from not winning a championship.  If they can convince so many that Jeter was the best player of the last decade, they'll have no problems doing the same for The King.  

Really? He could go to Chicago and win a title at 25 vs 29 for Jordan. And the Dream Team thing in Miami would be the biggest thing in years, if they can swing it. Every game would be an event.

Yeah.  All the 'pundits' like to point out that MJ won before his 7th year in the league but they neglect to point out that MJ went to three years of college and was a lot older than LeBron is now when he won his first championship.  

At the same time, I do think that LeBron's career is probably already at or close to it's halfway point, in terms of All-NBA performance at least. 7 NBA seasons is like dog years compared to college seasons. He could well have a long career if he moves to power forward and relies primarily his size and strength rather than his mobility and leaping ability (I think he could do everything Karl Malone did...) but looking at Kobe and KG and Jermaine O'Neal really drives it home that it's tough to be dominant past 32-33.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 01, 2010, 09:20:17 PM
LeBron's Facebook feed:

http://www.slate.com/id/2258799/
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 02, 2010, 03:33:10 AM
http://www.whosay.com/ChrisBosh/content/1437?code=FrP2L8

'RT @chrisbosh Just had dinner w @dwadeofficial. Great way to end day 1 although it feels like someone is missing......'

subtle! :lol
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 02, 2010, 10:20:59 AM
Pretty good faq on the salary cap.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q2
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: TripleA on July 02, 2010, 11:02:13 AM
Shaq should just retire.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 02, 2010, 09:36:09 PM
Shaq just had a very expensive divorce. He'll milk this for all it's worth.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Mandark on July 02, 2010, 09:52:08 PM
Worst/funniest scenario:  LeBron and Wade sign one-year extensions with their teams, making us go through all of this again.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Beezy on July 02, 2010, 10:08:25 PM
And Carmelo Anthony would join the circus next year and none of them end up on the Knicks. :lol

















:fbm
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: DJ_Tet on July 02, 2010, 10:57:09 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 01, 2010, 08:43:16 PM
Quote from: DJ_Tet on July 01, 2010, 08:34:15 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 01, 2010, 08:30:46 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on July 01, 2010, 08:27:57 PM
As much as I hate the fact, NY is probably the only place that can restore and even increase the respect and glamor that Bron lost from not winning a championship.  If they can convince so many that Jeter was the best player of the last decade, they'll have no problems doing the same for The King.  

Really? He could go to Chicago and win a title at 25 vs 29 for Jordan. And the Dream Team thing in Miami would be the biggest thing in years, if they can swing it. Every game would be an event.

Yeah.  All the 'pundits' like to point out that MJ won before his 7th year in the league but they neglect to point out that MJ went to three years of college and was a lot older than LeBron is now when he won his first championship.  

At the same time, I do think that LeBron's career is probably already at or close to it's halfway point, in terms of All-NBA performance at least. 7 NBA seasons is like dog years compared to college seasons. He could well have a long career if he moves to power forward and relies primarily his size and strength rather than his mobility and leaping ability (I think he could do everything Karl Malone did...) but looking at Kobe and KG and Jermaine O'Neal really drives it home that it's tough to be dominant past 32-33.

No doubt.  The NBA grind takes years off the back end of your career when you come in that early.  Even Kobe is feeling it.  This group is a lot 'older' @ 30 than Jordan and Malone were when they hit 30.  Kobe/KG etc have played a lot more NBA games than Jordan did, so it works both ways.  LeBron's clock is ticking so to speak.  If he hasn't peaked yet he will soon.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 03, 2010, 08:47:13 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 02, 2010, 09:52:08 PM
Worst/funniest scenario:  LeBron and Wade sign one-year extensions with their teams, making us go through all of this again.

Well, you may just be joshin' but just in case:

This is not gonna happen, because of the collective bargaining agreement expiring after next season. The season after that is bound to be a lockout, so everyone, but everyone wants to go into that with a long term deal if possible. This is the only reason why Richard Jefferson walked away from the last year of his deal paying 15 million. He knows he won't get anything like that yearly rate, but he needs a multi-year deal. The very least they sign for is 3 years, which actually seems like a good idea (that's the length of the extensions LBJ, Bosh and Wade signed last time, remember). 3 years gives them long enough to build a solid team and take a shot at the title, and then get out if it goes pear-shaped.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 05, 2010, 09:57:26 AM
Joe Johnson staying in Atlanta.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5354426

Dirk staying in Dallas

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba/news/story?id=5352960

Pierce resigns with Boston

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/news/story?id=5353346
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Beezy on July 05, 2010, 10:07:04 AM
Meh, that was mostly expected. You should cross their names out in the OP.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2010, 11:07:33 AM
Quote from: Wrath2X on July 05, 2010, 10:45:42 AM
When was the last time the Knicks signed a premier player? (Stephon Marbury doesn't count)

Tracey McGrady :smug
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2010, 12:03:55 PM
http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/video/2010/07/03/lebronmorethanaplayer2-1365233/index.html
:rofl
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 05, 2010, 02:03:56 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2010, 12:03:55 PM
http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/video/2010/07/03/lebronmorethanaplayer2-1365233/index.html
:rofl

It'll be hilarious if he ends up never winning in the Finals.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 05, 2010, 09:06:28 PM
Amare to the knicks.

Five-year, $99.7 million

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=5356502
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 05, 2010, 09:19:49 PM
Not a wonderful outcome for the Knicks but he's more-or-less worth it. They really need to find a proper PG though, and the ones on the market are garbage.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 05, 2010, 09:26:00 PM
Amare + LeBron. BELIEVE.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 05, 2010, 09:27:34 PM
I've honestly never been as big on Amare ever since he came back from the injury but he is a good offensive player close to the basket.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 05, 2010, 09:32:21 PM
LeBron would be pretty dumb. He could have just made the Cavs trade for Amare last year (or the year before...) when Phoenix were shopping him and no-one wanted him. The problem is that Amare plays no D, and Mike D'Antoni has a history of enabling that.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Bocsius on July 05, 2010, 10:54:35 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2010, 11:07:33 AM
Quote from: Wrath2X on July 05, 2010, 10:45:42 AM
When was the last time the Knicks signed a premier player? (Stephon Marbury doesn't count)

Tracey McGrady :smug

McGrady was a trade acquisition meant to create cap room when his deal expired this year. Not quite a "signing" of a "premier" player. Then again, wasn't Marbury also a trade?

At any rate, the Knicks' problems go back at least to when they gave the world to Allan Houston, outbidding absolutely nobody. That was a signing so bad that when buyouts were created, it was called "The Allan Houston rule." The amazing thing is that the Knicks didn't even utilize it to immediately get rid of him.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2010, 11:04:06 PM
Amare doesn't make NY a contender. They need a PG, among a host of other things
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Bocsius on July 05, 2010, 11:09:15 PM
Yep, the Knicks need a whole lot more than just one player. With Amare, do the Knicks even contend for 8th place in the conference? Which is why the Bulls continue to look like the best place for a player like LeBron. They can get two max players and already have a Rose and a supporting cast. Instant contender. Nobody else in the east can offer that. Not even the Heat, because even if they got Wade, LeBron, and Bosh, who else do they have? They'll have a bunch of league minimum players filling out the roster.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 05, 2010, 11:20:42 PM
Hollinger projected a Heat team like that would win 61 games. And would you want to face them in the playoffs, when they could play all those guys 40 mins a game?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2010, 11:21:57 PM
I'm sure the Heat would be nigh unstoppable with those three players.

Riley would probably want to coach them though, and I doubt Bron Bron would like that
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 05, 2010, 11:27:59 PM
Yeah, the Knicks still fucking suck. They wait years for LeBron, then give up and panic ridiculously quickly and throw money at Amare. Now they might just wait for Carmelo or some shit. I guess we'll see.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 05, 2010, 11:30:44 PM
This doesn't put them out of the hunt for LeBron in the least?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2010, 11:32:34 PM
Blowing their load on a dude who doesn't play any defense, has no killer instinct, and lost explosiveness to a knee injury

Typical Knicks
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Beezy on July 05, 2010, 11:33:16 PM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on July 05, 2010, 11:27:59 PM
Yeah, the Knicks still fucking suck. They wait years for LeBron, then give up and panic ridiculously quickly and throw money at Amare. Now they might just wait for Carmelo or some shit. I guess we'll see.
what?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Bocsius on July 05, 2010, 11:34:58 PM
LeBron-Wade-Bosh and a bunch of nobodies might be the best team in the east, particularly as the Celtics get older and if the Magic can't move some bad contracts (Carter, Lewis) and improve their roster, but I think Rose-LeBron-Bosh (or Boozer)-Deng-Noah would be better.

Perhaps I'm not as hyped on that triumvirate because truthfully I know nothing about Bosh other than he played at Georgia Tech for a year. Playing in Toronto basically makes him invisible. I've seen Amare and Boozer enough times making deep runs into the playoffs, not so much with Bosh.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 05, 2010, 11:37:36 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 05, 2010, 11:30:44 PM
This doesn't put them out of the hunt for LeBron in the least?
Quote
what?
I like assuming the worst!
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Bocsius on July 05, 2010, 11:40:13 PM
I would be shocked (SHOCKED) if LeBron went to the Knicks, given the other options. He would have to assume they can get more players next year, which is a big assumption. I would also be surprised at this point if he stayed in Cleveland. Those two moves would be real leaps of faith that those rosters can be upgraded.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2010, 11:44:05 PM
Seems like he's gonna stay in Cle to me. Maybe they get Chris Paul

Knicks could get Melo next year, which would be interesting.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 05, 2010, 11:46:40 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2010, 11:32:34 PM
Blowing their load on a dude who doesn't play any defense, has no killer instinct, and lost explosiveness to a knee injury

Typical Knicks

But they haven't blown their load. They can still sign LeBron or whoever. With Joe Johnson and Rudy Gay already locked up, their chances of making a truly horrible mistake from this point on are fairly slim. (The only other guy they could really overpay would be Boozer, and they're not going to sign another PF).
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2010, 11:48:51 PM
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/125651188.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1278389083&Signature=hVScdXTcwLeUNZCcg6CGYxOJz6Y%3D)
http://twitpic.com/22t52s
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 05, 2010, 11:49:26 PM
Fitting that Allan Houston is in that pic.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 05, 2010, 11:49:36 PM
Quote from: Bocsius on July 05, 2010, 11:34:58 PM
LeBron-Wade-Bosh and a bunch of nobodies might be the best team in the east, particularly as the Celtics get older and if the Magic can't move some bad contracts (Carter, Lewis) and improve their roster, but I think Rose-LeBron-Bosh (or Boozer)-Deng-Noah would be better.

Perhaps I'm not as hyped on that triumvirate because truthfully I know nothing about Bosh other than he played at Georgia Tech for a year. Playing in Toronto basically makes him invisible. I've seen Amare and Boozer enough times making deep runs into the playoffs, not so much with Bosh.

Well, I agree. But the Bulls are going to run into depth issues fairly shortly anyway. In fact, they should already be talking contract extension with Noah if they want to keep him. So LeBron really has to be comfortable that the owner is going to be willing to spend over the next 7-10yrs of his career, not just give him the max and sit back. Reinsdorf has a very spotty record there (if you'll cheap out on Scottie Pippen and Phil Jackson, you'll do it to anybody).
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2010, 11:55:51 PM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on July 05, 2010, 11:49:26 PM
Fitting that Allan Houston is in that pic.

Who better to show Amare all the hot spots to shop for designer ice packs
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 06, 2010, 12:03:56 AM
LOLakers

(http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/1885/lolakers.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 06, 2010, 12:04:12 AM
Close to 100 million for maybe a +2 differential seems like a pretty lousy investment but at least Amare will light up the Garden every now and then with a highlight play.  At this point, Knicks management would be happy with that.  
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 06, 2010, 12:07:28 AM
vs resigning David Lee, or Carlos Boozer, it looks pretty awesome.

The bottom line is that as much as they want LeBron most, they ultimately need a big man and Amar'e is the best of those willing to sign. If you choose to look at that as failure, you're not being very realistic. It's not as if 2002 Shaq is out there begging for a contract.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 06, 2010, 12:08:35 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on July 06, 2010, 12:03:56 AM
LOLakers

(http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/1885/lolakers.jpg)

It's nice to see that most Americans still believe in Truth, Justice and No Means No.   :american
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Bocsius on July 06, 2010, 12:09:18 AM
What in the world is the context of that poll? The Saints? Seriously? Is this about recent champions? If so, what is "Team Edward?"
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 06, 2010, 12:13:28 AM
looks like the world knows what's up
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Bocsius on July 06, 2010, 02:51:07 PM
There's hope in Cleveland, as Toronto is apparently willing to do a sign-and-trade with Bosh to Cleveland. The only question is whether Bosh would go to Cleveland. ESPN says he wants to play with James, James wants Bosh in Cleveland, but Bosh doesn't want Cleveland.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5357607
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 06, 2010, 04:14:33 PM
Quote from: Bocsius on July 06, 2010, 02:51:07 PM
There's hope in Cleveland, as Toronto is apparently willing to do a sign-and-trade with Bosh to Cleveland. The only question is whether Bosh would go to Cleveland. ESPN says he wants to play with James, James wants Bosh in Cleveland, but Bosh doesn't want Cleveland.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5357607

and honestly, who would
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 06, 2010, 08:12:36 PM
I'm starting to lose hope that free agency will really reshape the power structure much. Bosh to Cleveland would make for a great team if it happened. I like Jamison and Mo Williams a lot better as 3rd and 4th options than as 2nd and 3rd. And Prof. Hollinger (who is right a hell of a lot more than he is wrong) thinks Bosh is the best partner for LeBron's playing style. His logic makes a lot of sense to me - Bosh needs the ball much less than other potential partners like Wade or Rose, can spot up and draw away opposing big men, and rebounds like crazy for someone who spends as much time outside the paint as he does. He can also run the break etc etc.

That could leave Wade with Boozer (meh) and maybe second-stringers like Mike Miller and Raymond Felton. I don't know that Boozer is that big an upgrade over Udonis Haslem, even. Chicago might even strike out completely.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Bocsius on July 06, 2010, 10:34:39 PM
OK now, this is dumb.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5359255

That says LeBron is going to reveal his decision during a 1 hour special on ESPN Thursday night at 9 PM (ET).

This isn't some high school kid enjoying his fifteen minutes of fame with half a dozen hats to select from. C'mon, LeBron. Just issue a statement to the media.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 06, 2010, 10:37:22 PM
LOL!


I love it.

Drama bitches!
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 06, 2010, 10:37:26 PM
I like how ESPN is reporting that sources at ESPN are telling them this is going to happen. :rofl
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Bocsius on July 06, 2010, 10:38:23 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 06, 2010, 10:37:26 PM
I like how ESPN is reporting that sources at ESPN are telling them this is going to happen. :rofl

"Sources say we're involved. We'll have our people call our people."
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 06, 2010, 10:39:36 PM
I bet he's picked by Slytherin!
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 06, 2010, 11:40:54 PM
Twitter:

@RONARTESTCOM: I'm would love to sedate a lion. Then lay under her arms
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 07, 2010, 09:13:23 AM
ESPN is saying Wade and Bosh are signing with Miami. Whoo hoo, next season is gonna be fun! Would like to see LeBron either join them or go to Chicago, either would be fun.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Beezy on July 07, 2010, 09:22:32 AM
Sweet. If Lebron  doesn't join them, then he has to go to the Bulls or the Knicks if he cares about winning. I don't know anything about the Nets.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 07, 2010, 09:30:07 AM
Well, the Nets have a few nice pieces in Devin Harris and Brook Lopez, but Harris' driving game doesn't really fit with LeBron's. The big strike against them is having to play for 2yrs in Newark - may as well stay in Akron. It's pretty likely any contract LeBron signs will have a player option after the 3rd year, so he might only be planning on staying for 3 yrs before doing all this all over again. If that's the case, there is plenty of time for him to go play on Jay-Z's team and have fun under the bright lights in NYC.

The only outcome that would really disappoint me is him staying on the Cavs. I'm tired of watching him try to pull those guys up to his level. They can only win with their D and relying on him to do all the work on O.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Brehvolution on July 07, 2010, 09:31:10 AM
Quote from: Beezy on July 07, 2010, 09:22:32 AM
Sweet. If Lebron  doesn't join them, then he has to go to the Bulls or the Knicks if he cares about winning. I don't know anything about the Nets.
:teehee
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Beezy on July 07, 2010, 09:35:57 AM
KNICKS WILL RISE FROM THE GRAVE
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Beezy on July 07, 2010, 09:40:10 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 07, 2010, 09:30:07 AM
The only outcome that would really disappoint me is him staying on the Cavs.
This or going to the Nets will piss me off especially because people keep mentioning his friendship with Jay-Z as the reason for going there.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 07, 2010, 09:45:50 AM
Well, he's not going to the Nets. Staying with the Cavs seems like a real possibility though. All his buddies are based there (i.e. have set up businesses which he is funding and so forth) so they will be pressuring him pretty hard to stay, no doubt. Plus, he seems to like the organization and his teammates, and they had a lot of success in the regular season at least. It's hard to say that he's win more in NYC with Amare than with that group. It's only the Bulls or the Heat that could really boost his post-season chances next year I think.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Bocsius on July 07, 2010, 11:13:04 AM
With Bosh set to join Wade in Miami instead of doing the sign-and-trade and joining LeBron in Cleveland, I have no idea how LeBron stays in town. That doesn't mean he won't, and it doesn't mean he wouldn't have competitive reasons to, it's just that those reasons are not readily apparent. Their roster is what it is, and they don't have much (if any?) cap room. It comes down to whether or not they're able to work trades is and obtain the right pieces.

Then again, Shaq comes off the books this year, right? Does that give them any room or were they screwed without that salary anyway?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 07, 2010, 12:08:56 PM
BOSH, LEBRON and WADE ALL ON THE SAME TEAM RIGHT
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 07, 2010, 12:11:08 PM
The best route was LeBron and Bosh on that Bulls roster, but they blew it. It looks like Cleveland or bust for LeBron. Who else can Cleveland get, though?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 07, 2010, 12:14:59 PM
Looks like the road is open for LeBron to come to Dallas.  8)
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 07, 2010, 12:24:52 PM
The best part about this scenario, is that one of the Wizards' hopes (that the Big Three would stay or go on one team), would leave a handful of teams with eggs on their faces and willing to trade for Arenas in the hopes of making lemonade out of swill water.

Knicks, Jets, Bulls, etc.

COME ON DOWN, AGENT ZERO CAN BE YOURS!
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Beezy on July 07, 2010, 12:33:42 PM
Wade and Bosh on ESPNNews and just confirmed that they're playing for Miami. Cross them out please.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: BlackMage on July 07, 2010, 12:47:46 PM
LeBron should go to the Clippers!! :hyper
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Bocsius on July 07, 2010, 12:51:13 PM
Quote from: BlackMage on July 07, 2010, 12:47:46 PM
LeBron should go to the Clippers!! :hyper

Do you hate the guy or something?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 07, 2010, 12:54:39 PM
At this moment I could see Lebron going to Chicago.  Wouldn't be that much better than Cleveland though, to be honest.  It's like bizarro Cleveland, that team.

Noah <--> Varejao
Deng <--> Parker
Miller <--> Z

The only true perk I guess would be Rose.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 07, 2010, 12:58:09 PM
Plus, they still have cap space to sign another max contract after tomorrow (they're unloading Hinrich to the Wiz). So they can get LeBron and somebody else, but who else would fit that roster?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 07, 2010, 01:00:56 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 07, 2010, 12:54:39 PM
At this moment I could see Lebron going to Chicago.  Wouldn't be that much better than Cleveland though, to be honest.  It's like bizarro Cleveland, that team.

Noah <--> Varejao
Deng <--> Parker
Miller <--> Z

The only true perk I guess would be Rose.

I give the edge to both Noah and Deng as well.  They will look much better when playing with Lebron.

Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 07, 2010, 12:58:09 PM
Plus, they still have cap space to sign another max contract after tomorrow (they're unloading Hinrich to the Wiz). So they can get LeBron and somebody else, but who else would fit that roster?

Maybe a couple of dependable perimeter shooters?  The project starting lineup is awfully thin on outside shooting. 
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Bocsius on July 07, 2010, 01:03:42 PM
They could probably get Boozer for less than a max deal and make a run at Redick for a sharpshooter off the bench.

Of course, at that point, the team would be Chicago LeBron & the supporting Blue Devils.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 07, 2010, 01:04:55 PM
Yeah, I'd also take Noah and Deng over Varejao and Parker.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: BlackMage on July 07, 2010, 01:07:12 PM
Quote from: Bocsius on July 07, 2010, 12:51:13 PM
Quote from: BlackMage on July 07, 2010, 12:47:46 PM
LeBron should go to the Clippers!! :hyper

Do you hate the guy or something?

no, I'm a Clipper fan  :fbm
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Bocsius on July 07, 2010, 01:09:14 PM
The Clips will never get a player like LeBron as long as Sterling is the owner. You're doomed to being second fiddle in LA probably forever, but certainly until Sterling no longer controls the team. Mediocrity guaranteed.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 07, 2010, 01:09:23 PM
Clipper fans :lol
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: BlackMage on July 07, 2010, 01:10:35 PM
I live near LA and I'm the only Clippers fan i know  :'(
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 07, 2010, 01:29:03 PM
My dad gets me Clippers tickets several times a year.  I just go to see the visiting teams that I'm interested in.   :lol

One time I won some VIP package with courtside seats, limo ride and a free dinner.  It was pretty cool to sit a couple of feet away from Billy Crystal but he left at halftime. 
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 07, 2010, 01:32:30 PM
I feel sorry for the clips. They've at times assembled a lot of talent and wasted the careers of a lot of good players. Sterling is fucking awful though and that team will always be awful with him owning them. 
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 07, 2010, 01:35:29 PM
Yeah, the atmosphere at Clippers games is just terrible. It's hard to win when the team barely even has home court advantage. 90% of the people watching are just there to see the other team. 
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 07, 2010, 01:38:15 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on July 07, 2010, 01:35:29 PM
Yeah, the atmosphere at Clippers games is just terrible. It's hard to win when the team barely even has home court advantage. 90% of the people watching are just there to see the other team. 

Yeah it reminds me of the Tampa Bucs as a kid growing up who were always awful. You need a whole culture change for that team to be successful. A new owner with a commitment to stopping them from being a laughing stock and a joke and that losing is okay. He also is gonna have to really spend some money.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 07, 2010, 01:59:15 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 07, 2010, 01:04:55 PM
Yeah, I'd also take Noah and Deng over Varejao and Parker.

Oh definitely, I was just saying the potential Bulls line-up is creepily similar to the Cavs last year.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Brehvolution on July 07, 2010, 02:26:56 PM
Quote from: BlackMage on July 07, 2010, 01:07:12 PM
Quote from: Bocsius on July 07, 2010, 12:51:13 PM
Quote from: BlackMage on July 07, 2010, 12:47:46 PM
LeBron should go to the Clippers!! :hyper

Do you hate the guy or something?

no, I'm a Clipper fan  :fbm
I can die now cause I've seen it all.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Lebron and D-Wade Sweepstakes
Post by: Beezy on July 07, 2010, 02:28:48 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on July 07, 2010, 12:41:35 PM
LeBron signing with the Knicks has that sort of he'll get injured at training camp and sit out a year and come back as a 19 points per game player and management will make some ill advised trades for an overpriced center and eventually have to trade lebron to an even worse Trailblazers team who will not what to do with him and his last chance will come with the Orlando Magic who will make it to the semifinals two years running but ultimately fail to win a championship.  He should go to Chicago.
shutup
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 07, 2010, 02:58:00 PM
Has kovalchuk signed yet?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 07, 2010, 03:13:50 PM
Funniest thing about this is that for the last month we've been told everyone would be waiting for LeBron to make his move, then the tide would start raging. Instead Bosh and Wade might have just limited LeBron's choices. Re-signing with Cle for six years would guarantee he won't win a championship by the time he turns 30. Signing with the Knicks would be explosive, but it would take longer for them to build a team around him and Amare than it will take for Miami to build something. Bosh is superior to Amare in every possible way, and Wade has a larger killer instinct.

If he wants to win a championship and force respect, he'll sign with Chicago; if he signs with Miami and wins rings people could easily dismiss him as not winning anything without an all star team. Chicago with LeBron and Boozer would be the best team in the NBA.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 07, 2010, 03:15:09 PM
Clearly, if LeBron wants to win, he'll go to Dallas.   :dur
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Beezy on July 07, 2010, 03:17:43 PM
Is there any truth at all in Carmelo wanting to play for Knicks next year or is just another evil rumor?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 07, 2010, 03:19:55 PM
Beezy already getting worked up over more false hopes. :lol
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 07, 2010, 03:20:37 PM
I never heard it as a rumor. Amare just said he was good friends with Melo and was recruiting him. I don't trust the Knicks organization to put together a good team, fuck em

GO TO CHICAGO LEBRON. Marry Wade's ex and lets start some epic drama
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Beezy on July 07, 2010, 03:24:32 PM
Shutup Willco!

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 07, 2010, 03:20:37 PM
I never heard it as a rumor. Amare just said he was good friends with Melo and was recruiting him. I don't trust the Knicks organization to put together a good team, fuck em

GO TO CHICAGO LEBRON. Marry Wade's ex and lets start some epic drama
This was mentioned before Amare announced being with the Knicks though.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: WrikaWrek on July 07, 2010, 03:25:47 PM
So Wade is staying? :(

Wanted to see him move.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 07, 2010, 03:34:59 PM
Miami's going to be good. Assuming they don't get LeBron, they'll have room for some nice roleplayers

Orlando will still be a force, but continue to be held back by Howard's lack of skills

Boston is getting old but will still be good

Chicago will be decent and has a good future regardless of whether they land LeBron

In short, the east is going to be damn competitive. LeBron would be a fool to stay in Cle, if he's actually interested in winning rings that is
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Bocsius on July 07, 2010, 04:00:49 PM
Since we're doing pie in the sky, LeBron should do a sign and trade to Orlando. LBJ to Cleveland: you'll take Rashard Lewis and you'll like it. Then dump VC to New Orleans, grab Chris Paul, and have an epic team. The east would run through Florida for a few years.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 07, 2010, 04:10:55 PM
Apparently LeBron is holding his live broadcast at Allan Houston's house

beezy redeemed
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Beezy on July 07, 2010, 04:17:04 PM
Quote from: Bocsius on July 07, 2010, 04:00:49 PM
Since we're doing pie in the sky, LeBron should do a sign and trade to Orlando. LBJ to Cleveland: you'll take Rashard Lewis and you'll like it. Then dump VC to New Orleans, grab Chris Paul, and have an epic team. The east would run through Florida for a few years.
Fuck Florida

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 07, 2010, 04:10:55 PM
Apparently LeBron is holding his live broadcast at Allan Houston's house

beezy redeemed
Thought that was also just a rumor?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Bocsius on July 07, 2010, 04:17:39 PM
Knicks confirmed.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
And then LeBron breaks both of his legs. Multiple fractures.
[close]
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 07, 2010, 04:19:06 PM
LeBron to Knicks or Nets apparently. The neighorhood also happens to be an area where Jay-Z and Beyonce were shopping for mansions  :lol
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 07, 2010, 04:20:54 PM
What a dumb fucking move if true.  Lebron is not smart.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 07, 2010, 04:30:43 PM
Ban bet: Knicks+LeBron won't win more games than Cle did this year lol
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 07, 2010, 04:30:58 PM
But Lebron and Amare going to the Knicks might just make them legit enough for Stern to grant them a championship.  
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 07, 2010, 04:31:33 PM
*remains pessimistic*

*yet can't contain boner*
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 07, 2010, 04:33:29 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on July 07, 2010, 04:28:48 PM
If LeBron thinks his best chance at a championship is with the New York Knicks we can say "hey kids, a college education is useful no matter what you do with your life."

christ, so true.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 07, 2010, 04:37:35 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on July 07, 2010, 04:28:48 PM
If LeBron thinks his best chance at a championship is with the New York Knicks we can say "hey kids, a college education is useful no matter what you do with your life."
:lol

Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 07, 2010, 04:39:08 PM
Kevin Durant signed a new deal with OKC for five years and $86 million, so he's not going anywhere anytime soon.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Bocsius on July 07, 2010, 04:41:56 PM
In another sign that Satan just threw another log on the fire, Chad Ford reports that Cleveland has reached out to Utah about possibly doing a sign-and-trade for Carlos Boozer in hopes that it would be enough to keep James in Akron.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/17751/can-boozer-deliver-lebron
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 07, 2010, 04:45:21 PM
Cleveland fans hate Boozer  :lol
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Bocsius on July 07, 2010, 04:47:31 PM
If he keeps James in town, those boos will (re)turn to "Booz" in no time at all.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 07, 2010, 04:47:59 PM
Loozer won't help any team win a championship.  Guy barely blocked more shots than Jason Kidd.  If Carlos goes against LA in the finals, he'd just get destroyed by Gasol again.  
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 07, 2010, 04:51:13 PM
Boozer sucks. More reason to go to Chicago or Miami.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Brehvolution on July 07, 2010, 04:54:55 PM
 :lol I cant believe there is going to be a tv show for Lebron's selection. smh
I didn't think he was that full of himself.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Beezy on July 07, 2010, 04:58:07 PM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on July 07, 2010, 04:31:33 PM
*remains pessimistic*

*yet can't contain boner*

Agreed
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 07, 2010, 04:59:00 PM
LeBRON JAMES LAUNCHES LeBRON JAMES SPORTS NETWORK; ALL LeBRON, ALL THE TIME
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Bocsius on July 07, 2010, 05:20:30 PM
ESPN has Boozer to Bulls. 5 years, 80 mil.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5361792
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 07, 2010, 05:33:09 PM
Well, now we know what team LeBron should NOT go to.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 07, 2010, 05:35:43 PM
Quote from: Bocsius on July 07, 2010, 05:20:30 PM
ESPN has Boozer to Bulls. 5 years, 80 mil.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5361792

Interesting. I honestly don't know where Lebron is going at this moment...

But staying in Cleveland is looking less and less likely.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Himu on July 07, 2010, 05:37:53 PM
:lol

Lebron needs support if he moves to NY anything.

nicca should have came to Houston.

Dumb fuck.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Bocsius on July 07, 2010, 05:38:22 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 07, 2010, 05:33:09 PM
Well, now we know what team LeBron should NOT go to.

Yep.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Cleveland.
New York.
New Jersey.

And, obviously, the Clippers.
[close]
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 07, 2010, 05:38:56 PM
Nobody finds it convenient that tomorrow is the day that Chicago is unloading Hinrich off the books, clearing cap space for LeBron? Hmm? Hmm?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 07, 2010, 05:39:43 PM
LeBron should just go to OKC and play with Durant.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Bocsius on July 07, 2010, 05:40:18 PM
Tomorrow is also the first day they can move that contract, it also lines up with LeBron's basketball camp being over.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Bocsius on July 07, 2010, 05:41:57 PM
What would be funny is if LeBron decided to go to Chicago, Boozer had already signed, and then Washington said "you know what, about our deal.... yeah...."
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 07, 2010, 05:43:15 PM
The ultimate way to screw over Chicago
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 07, 2010, 05:45:26 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 07, 2010, 04:59:00 PM
LeBRON JAMES LAUNCHES LeBRON JAMES SPORTS NETWORK; ALL LeBRON, ALL THE TIME

Lebron announces he'll be playing for the newest expansion team, the Jamestown Lebrons.  :smug :patel
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 07, 2010, 05:46:19 PM
LeBRON JAMES ANNOUNCES DEPARTURE FROM NBA, STARTING NEW LEAGUE WHERE HE WILL PLAY 1-ON-1 AGAINST ANYBODY AND ALSO THE ENTIRE CLIPPERS ROSTER
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 07, 2010, 07:34:23 PM
Chicago  :o

do it lebron, it's the only logical option
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 07, 2010, 07:40:51 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 07, 2010, 05:39:43 PM
LeBron should just go to OKC and play with Durant.

 :lol

Oh God, that's so fucking hilarious. I think I just peed my pants.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 07, 2010, 07:54:02 PM
looks like it's gonna happen smh
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 07, 2010, 07:56:17 PM
poor ohio
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 07, 2010, 07:56:21 PM
ITT Wrath2X decides which NBA team he's "always" been a fan of.  
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 07, 2010, 07:57:24 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on July 07, 2010, 07:56:21 PM
ITT Wrath2X decides which NBA team he's "always" been a fan of.  

:rofl
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 07, 2010, 07:57:39 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on July 07, 2010, 07:56:21 PM
ITT Wrath2X decides which NBA team he's "always" been a fan of.  
:lol
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 07, 2010, 07:58:39 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on July 07, 2010, 07:56:21 PM
ITT Wrath2X decides which NBA team he's "always" been a fan of.  
:lol
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 07, 2010, 08:00:36 PM
(http://haterplayer.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/nas_gun1.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Bloodwake on July 07, 2010, 08:14:06 PM
How could James NOT be full of himself. He's basically been hailed as the next Michael Jordan since he was in high school. Fuck, he was talking about jumping ship to another team 2 or 3 years ago JUST so that it would be this big of a deal.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 07, 2010, 08:17:23 PM
yeah he's a prick.  but he's my prick dammit  :'(
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 07, 2010, 08:18:41 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 07, 2010, 08:17:23 PM
yeah he's a prick.  but he's my prick dammit  :'(

how do you not get the ladies with a prick that big
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 07, 2010, 09:06:33 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on July 07, 2010, 07:40:51 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 07, 2010, 05:39:43 PM
LeBron should just go to OKC and play with Durant.

 :lol

Oh God, that's so fucking hilarious. I think I just peed my pants.

Yeah, you're right. OKC doesn't need an overpaid prima donna who fades in the playoffs.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Beezy on July 07, 2010, 09:27:59 PM
My father, the biggest Knicks fan I know and the only person I know who has watched their games consistently for the past decade, doesn't think Lebron will leave Cleveland.

:(
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 07, 2010, 09:30:38 PM
Well thanks to Beezy's Magical Negro father, we can put that mystery to rest!
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 07, 2010, 09:31:40 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 07, 2010, 09:30:38 PM
Well thanks to Beezy's Magical Negro father, we can put that mystery to rest!

I bet he looks like Morgan Freeman, too.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Beezy on July 07, 2010, 09:34:23 PM
If I simply said "according to my sources", you'd all believe me.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 07, 2010, 09:35:14 PM
"I think the fix is in, son. By a bowl of chitlins and greens, I do not think that King James will leave Cleveland."
                       /
(http://blackademics.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/bill.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Beezy on July 07, 2010, 09:36:01 PM
Fail, my father isn't from the south. :lol
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Beezy on July 07, 2010, 09:37:25 PM
:rofl
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 07, 2010, 09:43:51 PM
"Yo, Beezy, my son, check it - I do not think LeBron gonna break those Cavs."
                                           /
(http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/MTV+TRL+Presents+Common+4JcF9O7-sail.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Beezy on July 07, 2010, 09:49:02 PM
Fail, he doesn't listen to hip hop. He did basically say that he won't crush Cleveland like that though. :lol
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 07, 2010, 09:50:57 PM
Quote from: Bocsius on July 07, 2010, 11:13:04 AM
With Bosh set to join Wade in Miami instead of doing the sign-and-trade and joining LeBron in Cleveland, I have no idea how LeBron stays in town. That doesn't mean he won't, and it doesn't mean he wouldn't have competitive reasons to, it's just that those reasons are not readily apparent. Their roster is what it is, and they don't have much (if any?) cap room. It comes down to whether or not they're able to work trades is and obtain the right pieces.

Then again, Shaq comes off the books this year, right? Does that give them any room or were they screwed without that salary anyway?

no, they're capped out.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 07, 2010, 09:53:30 PM
Actually, they can still have enough space for LeBron if they get rid of Beasley and thanks to the addition $2 million in cap space. But it would have to be a roster of league minimums for the rest of the spots, and that roster would be so top heavy that if any of the three get injuries, they're totally fucked.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 07, 2010, 09:54:13 PM
It's still quite possible for LeBron to sign with the Heat. The salary cap came in a bit higher than expected.
According to ESPN's Chad Ford -

'Higher cap still means MIA can't sign 3 MAX contracts with Beasley but the three could take $$15,646,179, instead of $16,568,908'

At this point, a savvy bargain hunter like Sam Presti of OKC should swoop in and offer a couple of future picks for Beasley and get his salary off Miami's books. Beasley is a headcase and thus a risk, but he's still easily worth that.

Even if they don't get rid of him, Wade, Bosh and LeBron really wouldn't be giving up that much money. The marketing possibilities for a 'Dream Team' like that are off the charts - it would surely repay them for what they would give up on the contracts.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 07, 2010, 09:56:22 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 07, 2010, 09:53:30 PM
Actually, they can still have enough space for LeBron if they get rid of Beasley and thanks to the addition $2 million in cap space. But it would have to be a roster of league minimums for the rest of the spots, and that roster would be so top heavy that if any of the three get injuries, they're totally fucked.

Quality problem, and one that affects every other contender too. Think LA wins without Kobe or Pau?

Some pretty good players take the league minimum every year. That's a trend that will only increase next year. One year to re-tool for the Heat, max, then utter domination.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 07, 2010, 10:05:18 PM
Bosh, LeBron and Wade on one team? Then even more players the next season? Dear lord.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 07, 2010, 10:07:00 PM
This is Riley's bid to out-do Jerry West. If he signs all 3 of those guys in their primes, he goes down as the greatest GM of the salary cap era, most likely.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 08, 2010, 12:40:15 AM
Ray Allen re-ups with the Celtics. 2 years. 20 million dollars.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5362387
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 08, 2010, 01:50:10 AM
@chadfordinsider Miami Thrice RT @Chris_Broussard Sources w/knowledge of situation saying LeBron will join Wade & Bosh in Miami, barring late change of heart 4 minutes ago

on like donkey kong?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 08, 2010, 01:52:24 AM
That would be his best option as things are now, I'd say.  It's a bummer for me as a Cavs fan, but I'll still avidly watch that Heat team as much as possible next year if true.  They'll be fucking fun to watch.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 08, 2010, 01:53:36 AM
Absolutely. They'd be fun to watch with me at PG and you at center :lol
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 08, 2010, 02:12:08 AM
That team would destroy everyone, holy fuck
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 08, 2010, 02:20:02 AM
Just blow up the NBA if that happens.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 08, 2010, 02:32:12 AM
Remember when LeBron's wingman was Ricky Davis? Darius Miles? He would be in hog heaven with those two guys to pass to.

The biggest problem would getting a serviceable center, because Bosh does not like to get his hands too dirty. Still, those 3 could play most teams 3 on 5 and still come out OK.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: etiolate on July 08, 2010, 02:39:13 AM
That team sort of makes it hard for the rest of the league to win for awhile. I think they could get enough ring chasers to take tiny contracts to fill out the team. I think it would be an interesting experiment to surround the three with NBDL guys and see how far they could push the superstar rules and advantages.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 08, 2010, 02:40:21 AM
What's the status of Shaq?  Maybe the Heat can get him back as a center  :lol
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 08, 2010, 02:55:39 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on July 08, 2010, 02:20:02 AM
Just blow up the NBA if that happens.
yeah, this
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 08, 2010, 03:16:22 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 08, 2010, 02:40:21 AM
What's the status of Shaq?  Maybe the Heat can get him back as a center  :lol

He's a free agent but he's not going to sign for the league minimum, unless i'm very much mistaken. He has his own rings already. I actually have no idea where he's going to sign, but Miami will need someone to guard Dwight Howard at some point.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: etiolate on July 08, 2010, 03:22:39 AM
I actually didn't care about Free Agency too much, because I thought the chances of a superteam really happening with everyone wanting to get money before the CBA of doom came were pretty low. My only interest was a NBA landscape open enough for the Kings to come in and be players for rings.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 08, 2010, 03:25:57 AM
The Kings cleaned up in the draft for the 2nd straight year, and didn't do anything distinguished mentally-challenged with their money, isn't that good enough for you?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: DJ_Tet on July 08, 2010, 03:39:01 AM
Yay for being in the same division as Miami and Orlando.  As if I could hate my expansion brethren even more, they pull this shit.

Fuck you Miami Heat! 
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: etiolate on July 08, 2010, 03:39:30 AM
And they can pursue Al Horford after this season to give them a pretty sick lineup, but I want a championship!
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 08, 2010, 03:49:03 AM
Quote from: etiolate on July 08, 2010, 03:39:30 AM
And they can pursue Al Horford after this season to give them a pretty sick lineup, but I want a championship!

Ask Dick Bavetta for it back
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 08, 2010, 08:43:20 AM
There is a part of me that would both hate and be intrigued by Lebron going to Miami.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 08, 2010, 09:00:44 AM
I will say that if he goes to Miami the part that tickles me most is Amare Stoudemire. It's like high school where a kid tries to get into the cool clique and they just blow him off.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Bocsius on July 08, 2010, 09:02:27 AM
If James ends up in Miami, they still need to find an adequate supporting cast. The trio combined for an around 80 points last year. It would be hard to assume that they can share the ball enough to go for 30, 26, and 24 while on the same team. Even if they could, they need to find 25-30 more points per night from somewhere, but realistically, they'll need to find 40 points.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: WrikaWrek on July 08, 2010, 09:09:24 AM
Wade and Lebron together would be nuclear.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 08, 2010, 10:08:39 AM
Quote from: Bocsius on July 08, 2010, 09:02:27 AM
If James ends up in Miami, they still need to find an adequate supporting cast. The trio combined for an around 80 points last year. It would be hard to assume that they can share the ball enough to go for 30, 26, and 24 while on the same team. Even if they could, they need to find 25-30 more points per night from somewhere, but realistically, they'll need to find 40 points.

This team will also be a defensive powerhouse, btw - LeBron and Wade are the best defenders at their positions, pretty much. You could argue for a few specialists who only play 10 mins a game, but I think they're the best. Hence, like the Celtics, they could win games in the 80s if they had to. But it seriously won't be hard for the scrubbiest of scrubs to get their points off the kind of looks they'll get with those 3 spacing the floor.

I actually think the team will be a lot more fun to watch if the scrubs are really weak - it'll give other teams a chance. Like kryptonite.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Beezy on July 08, 2010, 10:27:09 AM
Quote from: WrikaWrek on July 08, 2010, 09:09:24 AM
Wade and Lebron together would be nuclear.
I don't like it, but if that's what has to be done to silence Laker fans, then so be it.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Rman on July 08, 2010, 11:22:50 AM
I still can't believe he's getting a damn special to announce his decision.  What an ego maniac attention whore.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 08, 2010, 01:37:26 PM
Apparently ESPN is having a three-hour-long Sportscenter before the hour special tonight?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 08, 2010, 01:43:10 PM
Quote from: Rman on July 08, 2010, 11:22:50 AM
I still can't believe he's getting a damn special to announce his decision.  What an ego maniac attention whore.

Blame the media.  They are the ones who made Lebron's free agency the sports event of the year while criticizing him for being an attention grabbing egomaniac. 

The meltdown in LA is hilarious though.  Lakers fans are pissed that Kobe only got so much attention when he didn't understand that no really means no. 
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Beezy on July 08, 2010, 02:00:09 PM
Quote from: Wrath2X on July 08, 2010, 01:55:34 PM
So how many hours till that dumb ass special?
7 hours left
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 08, 2010, 02:01:48 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on July 08, 2010, 01:56:52 PM
My dream would be for LeBron to go to the Heat and not click and just limp into the playoffs.  A man can dream. :'(

If LeBron went to the "Dream Team" and then they choked in the playoff, that would be the schadenfreude of the century.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Rman on July 08, 2010, 03:38:31 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on July 08, 2010, 01:56:52 PM
My dream would be for LeBron to go to the Heat and not click and just limp into the playoffs.  A man can dream. :'(
I can't believe it but I would actually root for the Lakers if an eventual Lebron lead Heat team faces them in Finals.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on July 08, 2010, 04:41:16 PM
There's room on the Miami Heat bandwagon. :D
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Himu on July 08, 2010, 05:41:38 PM
sorry guys, lebron chose houston
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: etiolate on July 08, 2010, 08:01:01 PM
http://twitter.com/LebronJamesEgo
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Himu on July 08, 2010, 08:03:08 PM
nice cravat, lebron-chan
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 08, 2010, 08:37:17 PM
Jermaine O’neal signs with celts. Boston is really going for a certain kind of post peak player on the decline.


http://www.heraldnews.com/sports/professional_sports/x1609357365/Starved-for-frontcourt-help-Celtics-sign-Jermaine-ONeal

Haywood resigns with Mavs for $55M

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i6gBsCpb6c_zqVuWyyurKeTYlkbgD9GR4JBO0
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 08, 2010, 08:50:51 PM
Haywood better step up his game next season.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 08, 2010, 08:58:17 PM
Quote from: etiolate on July 08, 2010, 08:01:01 PM
http://twitter.com/LebronJamesEgo

Quote
GOT SUIT FOR TOMORROW AND WOMAN ASKED HOW I'M PAYING. I SAID "WITH SMILES" AND SHE WAS LIKE "OH DAMN" SO I JUST REALLY LIKE HELPING PEOPLE.

:lol
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 08, 2010, 09:01:11 PM
It begins. This is probably how baby-boomers felt when they sat around their televisions watching man walk on the moon.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 08, 2010, 09:01:24 PM
lol @ this voice-over, wtf
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Bocsius on July 08, 2010, 09:03:30 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 08, 2010, 09:01:11 PM
It begins. This is probably how baby-boomers felt when they sat around their televisions watching man walk on the moon.

Where were you when JFK was shot?
Where were you when man walked on the moon?
Where were you when LeBron made up his mind?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 08, 2010, 09:04:24 PM
Where were you when Himuro went to the park?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 08, 2010, 09:04:38 PM
That opening was ridiculous. ESPN is so self-absorbed.

Fuck Stewart Scott.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 08, 2010, 09:04:54 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on July 08, 2010, 09:01:24 PM
lol @ this voice-over, wtf

Deep black man voice means serious business.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Rman on July 08, 2010, 09:06:26 PM
Wow. 
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 08, 2010, 09:07:44 PM
It'll be funny if he's like "I'm staying with the Cavs!" and then tomorrow he's like "Eh, I changed my mind, I'm signing with Miami."
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 08, 2010, 09:07:51 PM
I admit it. I want him to join the heat. Watching him and Wade and Bosh play would be fascinating.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 08, 2010, 09:10:25 PM
I am a bit interested in seeing how well a team with three great players does when the remaining nine players are all complete schlubs.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Rman on July 08, 2010, 09:10:46 PM
I'm still surprised Miami can handle all these contracts.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 08, 2010, 09:11:45 PM
OMG . . . photoshops.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 08, 2010, 09:12:08 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 08, 2010, 09:10:25 PM
I am a bit interested in seeing how well a team with three great players does when the remaining nine players are all complete schlubs.

The Lakers seemed to do pretty well with it.


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Just kidding....Maybe
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Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Bocsius on July 08, 2010, 09:13:08 PM
He's going to Hattiesburg to work out with Brett Favre. He's going to be tight end next year for the Vikings.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 08, 2010, 09:13:27 PM
Teams no longer need depth. This isn't the 60s, 70s, or 80s.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 08, 2010, 09:14:32 PM


To be fair, ESPN is only devoting an hour to Lebron; they devote each summer to Favre.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Bocsius on July 08, 2010, 09:16:12 PM
Maybe Favre will sign with Miami.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 08, 2010, 09:17:28 PM
btw I also don't give a fuck about how sad Cleveland fans are. I hate when they pull this shit like I should care.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 08, 2010, 09:17:55 PM
He should go to Europe and just to blow everybody's mind.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Bocsius on July 08, 2010, 09:19:12 PM
Officially, for the record, I think it is completely lame and ridiculous that I am watching this.

And yet I am.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 08, 2010, 09:21:01 PM
When will ESPN show footage of LeBron quitting during game five?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 08, 2010, 09:21:41 PM
I've been following this story like a hawk for years...I'm not about to stop now!
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 08, 2010, 09:22:29 PM
Quote from: Bocsius on July 08, 2010, 09:19:12 PM
Officially, for the record, I think it is completely lame and ridiculous that I am watching this.

And yet I am.

I'm only sad that it only lasts an hour! Couldn't they have stretched this out a bit.  :dur
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 08, 2010, 09:23:08 PM
I wish Jim Gray was interviewing Pete Rose instead.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 08, 2010, 09:23:28 PM
Quote from: Bocsius on July 08, 2010, 09:16:12 PM
Maybe Favre will sign with Miami.

If that happens, ESPN would just fucking leave Connecticut and set up shop down in Miami.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 08, 2010, 09:24:57 PM
one hand or two hands?
very compelling questions.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 08, 2010, 09:25:01 PM
One hand or two hand, derp!  ::) Can we drag this out a little longer?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 08, 2010, 09:25:30 PM
If Heat signs Lebron, do they still have enough money for the commish?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 08, 2010, 09:25:59 PM
They're gonna drag this out until 6:45 pm (PST), aren't they?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 08, 2010, 09:26:11 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on July 08, 2010, 09:25:30 PM
If Heat signs Lebron, do they still have enough money for the commish?
:lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 08, 2010, 09:26:40 PM
"I think the major factor and the major reason in my decision was the best opportunity to win. To win now, and win in the future."

He wants to win!!!
This confirms he's not going to the Knicks.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 08, 2010, 09:27:41 PM
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL*ohio am cry*LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 08, 2010, 09:28:00 PM
Miami.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Bocsius on July 08, 2010, 09:28:12 PM
And the state of Ohio is on fire. By morning, it will no longer exist.

RIP.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 08, 2010, 09:29:05 PM
I'm done with the NBA.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 08, 2010, 09:29:33 PM
I just checked out the front page of the Cleveland Plains Dealer... nothing.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 08, 2010, 09:30:26 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on July 08, 2010, 09:29:33 PM
I just checked out the front page of the Cleveland Plains Dealer... nothing.

They've already burned it down.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Thursday Lebron ESPN Specials
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 08, 2010, 09:30:40 PM
Miami THRICE!

it's on
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 08, 2010, 09:30:44 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZZv5Z2Iz_s[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 08, 2010, 09:31:20 PM
"mixed emotions"

lol, there's nothing mixed about their emotions, they hate you now. :lol
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 08, 2010, 09:31:21 PM
Just asked if he'll still live in Akron.... yeah right dude, they'll burn his house down.

I feel bad for Cleveland, but I'm glad he didn't go to the Knicks, that was the dumbest idea ever.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 08, 2010, 09:31:42 PM
Translation: I'll keep a home in Akron, but don't expect me to live there.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Bocsius on July 08, 2010, 09:32:57 PM
There's dudes outside his house with gasoline right now.

But like I said, the entire state will be an impact crater by morning. The opinions of people around Cleveland will be of little concern.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 08, 2010, 09:33:01 PM
"Don't blame me! Blame my momma!"
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: WrikaWrek on July 08, 2010, 09:33:05 PM
Legendary.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 08, 2010, 09:33:22 PM
Now his mom's house is going to get burned down too. :(
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 08, 2010, 09:33:46 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on July 08, 2010, 09:33:01 PM
"Don't blame me! Blame my momma!"
:lol
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 08, 2010, 09:35:13 PM
I'm cool with it. Excited to see the Heat play. And I don't give a crap about Cleveland fans.

:patel

Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on July 08, 2010, 09:35:19 PM
Hey everybody, there's room on the Miami Heat Hype Train! :hyper
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 08, 2010, 09:35:50 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 08, 2010, 09:33:46 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on July 08, 2010, 09:33:01 PM
"Don't blame me! Blame my momma!"
:lol

Seriously! Dude threw his moms under the bus.

Quote from: ferrarimanf355 on July 08, 2010, 09:35:19 PM
Hey everybody, there's room on the Miami Heat Hype Train! :hyper

I hate the NBA, I don't even know what I'm doing in this thread!  :dizzy
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 08, 2010, 09:36:36 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on July 08, 2010, 09:33:22 PM
Now his mom's house is going to get burned down too. :(

So Cavs might lose Delonte West as well? :fbm
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 08, 2010, 09:36:45 PM
lol Cleveland fans
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: WrikaWrek on July 08, 2010, 09:37:14 PM
Whoa, bunch of distinguished mentally-challenged debbie downers right here on ESPN.

You would've thought that journos would be all over this shit, given how promising the future is, how amazing it can be, even if it isn't. Whatever
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 08, 2010, 09:37:24 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 08, 2010, 09:35:13 PM
I'm cool with it. Excited to see the Heat play. And I don't give a crap about Cleveland fans.

:patel



I bet you're excited to watch the Harlem Globetrotters play the Washington Generals.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 08, 2010, 09:37:51 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on July 08, 2010, 09:36:36 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on July 08, 2010, 09:33:22 PM
Now his mom's house is going to get burned down too. :(

So Cavs might lose Delonte West as well? :fbm
:lol :lol :lol :lol
holy fuck
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 08, 2010, 09:38:04 PM
BrandNew on suicide watch
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Bocsius on July 08, 2010, 09:38:27 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 08, 2010, 09:37:24 PM
I bet you're excited to watch the Harlem Globetrotters play the Washington Generals.

They were on ESPN last weekend, too.

:american
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 08, 2010, 09:38:43 PM
Quote from: WrikaWrek on July 08, 2010, 09:37:14 PM
Whoa, bunch of distinguished mentally-challenged debbie downers right here on ESPN.

You would've thought that journos would be all over this shit, given how promising the future is, how amazing it can be, even if it isn't. Whatever

something something east coast bias
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 08, 2010, 09:38:50 PM
Quote from: WrikaWrek on July 08, 2010, 09:37:14 PM
Whoa, bunch of distinguished mentally-challenged debbie downers right here on ESPN.

You would've thought that journos would be all over this shit, given how promising the future is, how amazing it can be, even if it isn't. Whatever

Portugal to Brazil to the Miami Heat.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 08, 2010, 09:39:16 PM
I have always been a fan of the Miami Heat.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 08, 2010, 09:39:41 PM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on July 08, 2010, 09:38:04 PM
BrandNew on suicide watch

I think he just realized that hipsters don't like sports.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 08, 2010, 09:41:30 PM
Cleveland - they should just wall off the state and let them feed on each other really. it would be kinder than having to face the rest of the US from now on.

Best moment so far was LeBron calling free agency a 'real humbling experience'.  :lol
Uh, this is pretty much the textbook definition of 'massive ego trip'
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 08, 2010, 09:41:30 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 08, 2010, 09:39:41 PM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on July 08, 2010, 09:38:04 PM
BrandNew on suicide watch

I think he just realized that hipsters don't like sports.

Hipsters are allowed to like soccer since it's "European."
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 08, 2010, 09:41:58 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on July 08, 2010, 09:41:30 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 08, 2010, 09:39:41 PM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on July 08, 2010, 09:38:04 PM
BrandNew on suicide watch

I think he just realized that hipsters don't like sports.

Hipsters are allowed to like soccer since it's "European."
Since when is soccer a sport?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: WrikaWrek on July 08, 2010, 09:43:15 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 08, 2010, 09:38:50 PM
Quote from: WrikaWrek on July 08, 2010, 09:37:14 PM
Whoa, bunch of distinguished mentally-challenged debbie downers right here on ESPN.

You would've thought that journos would be all over this shit, given how promising the future is, how amazing it can be, even if it isn't. Whatever

Portugal to Brazil to the Miami Heat.

I don't get it.

I don't have a favorite in the NBA, i liked watching the Celtics play this season, i rooted for Orlando at times, Phoenix at others, even Lakers. I do like Wade as a player though, hence why i wanted to see him move, Miami looks strong now, and i think it's gonna be exciting to watch them play.

And Portugal to Brazil is some unfair bullshit. I wasn't rooting for Brazil as if it were my team, i was rooting for them as i was for Germany. They play great, i like to watch them play, i know the players, i like the players, and as far as Brazil goes, i have brazillian friends so it made sense for me to like Brazil.

You a have a problem with that you can go suck a dick.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on July 08, 2010, 09:43:24 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on July 08, 2010, 09:39:16 PM
I have always been a fan of the Miami Heat.
I've been on the bandwagon since the Hardaway Heave and never got off.  :D
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 08, 2010, 09:43:40 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/100708

I loved Simmons sour grapes article. Where was his outrage when the Celtics formed their big 3.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 08, 2010, 09:43:43 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 08, 2010, 09:41:58 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on July 08, 2010, 09:41:30 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 08, 2010, 09:39:41 PM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on July 08, 2010, 09:38:04 PM
BrandNew on suicide watch

I think he just realized that hipsters don't like sports.

Hipsters are allowed to like soccer since it's "European."
Since when is soccer a sport?

Good point.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Beezy on July 08, 2010, 09:43:57 PM
Lebron's "Legacy" tainted.

Kobe never gets another ring again.

Jordan reigns supreme.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 08, 2010, 09:44:00 PM
Meh, screw this, I'm watching the Rangers game. 50+ wins before the all-star break :bow2
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 08, 2010, 09:44:21 PM
Quote from: WrikaWrek on July 08, 2010, 09:43:15 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 08, 2010, 09:38:50 PM
Quote from: WrikaWrek on July 08, 2010, 09:37:14 PM
Whoa, bunch of distinguished mentally-challenged debbie downers right here on ESPN.

You would've thought that journos would be all over this shit, given how promising the future is, how amazing it can be, even if it isn't. Whatever

Portugal to Brazil to the Miami Heat.

I don't get it.

I don't have a favorite in the NBA, i liked watching the Celtics play this season, i rooted for Orlando at times, Phoenix at others, even Lakers. I do like Wade as a player though, hence why i wanted to see him move, Miami looks strong now, and i think it's gonna be exciting to watch them play.


Seems like the only team you don't cheer for is the Clippers.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 08, 2010, 09:44:54 PM
Quote from: WrikaWrek on July 08, 2010, 09:43:15 PM
i have brazillian friends so it made sense for me to like Brazil.

You a have a problem with that you can go suck a dick.

You clearly had a problem with me liking The Netherlands, even though I have lots of Dutch friends. Suck it.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 08, 2010, 09:45:24 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 08, 2010, 09:41:30 PM
Best moment so far was LeBron calling free agency a 'real humbling experience'.  :lol

:rofl
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 08, 2010, 09:45:43 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on July 08, 2010, 09:44:00 PM
Meh, screw this, I'm watching the Rangers game. 50+ wins before the all-star break :bow2

:bow Baseball :bow2
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: WrikaWrek on July 08, 2010, 09:46:45 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 08, 2010, 09:44:21 PM
Quote from: WrikaWrek on July 08, 2010, 09:43:15 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 08, 2010, 09:38:50 PM
Quote from: WrikaWrek on July 08, 2010, 09:37:14 PM
Whoa, bunch of distinguished mentally-challenged debbie downers right here on ESPN.

You would've thought that journos would be all over this shit, given how promising the future is, how amazing it can be, even if it isn't. Whatever

Portugal to Brazil to the Miami Heat.

I don't get it.

I don't have a favorite in the NBA, i liked watching the Celtics play this season, i rooted for Orlando at times, Phoenix at others, even Lakers. I do like Wade as a player though, hence why i wanted to see him move, Miami looks strong now, and i think it's gonna be exciting to watch them play.


Seems like the only team you don't cheer for is the Clippers.

As far as NBA goes, i don't have a favorite team. It's pretty much on a match to match basis.


Quote from: Mr. Gundam on July 08, 2010, 09:44:54 PM
Quote from: WrikaWrek on July 08, 2010, 09:43:15 PM
i have brazillian friends so it made sense for me to like Brazil.

You a have a problem with that you can go suck a dick.

You clearly had a problem with me liking The Netherlands, even though I have lots of Dutch friends. Suck it.

I loathe The Netherlands, sue me.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 08, 2010, 09:46:52 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on July 08, 2010, 09:44:00 PM
Meh, screw this, I'm watching the Rangers game. 50+ wins before the all-star break :bow2

:bow America's pass-time :bow2
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 08, 2010, 09:47:15 PM
Quote from: WrikaWrek on July 08, 2010, 09:46:45 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 08, 2010, 09:44:21 PM
Quote from: WrikaWrek on July 08, 2010, 09:43:15 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 08, 2010, 09:38:50 PM
Quote from: WrikaWrek on July 08, 2010, 09:37:14 PM
Whoa, bunch of distinguished mentally-challenged debbie downers right here on ESPN.

You would've thought that journos would be all over this shit, given how promising the future is, how amazing it can be, even if it isn't. Whatever

Portugal to Brazil to the Miami Heat.

I don't get it.

I don't have a favorite in the NBA, i liked watching the Celtics play this season, i rooted for Orlando at times, Phoenix at others, even Lakers. I do like Wade as a player though, hence why i wanted to see him move, Miami looks strong now, and i think it's gonna be exciting to watch them play.


Seems like the only team you don't cheer for is the Clippers.

As far as NBA goes, i don't have a favorite team. It's pretty much on a match to match basis.


Quote from: Mr. Gundam on July 08, 2010, 09:44:54 PM
Quote from: WrikaWrek on July 08, 2010, 09:43:15 PM
i have brazillian friends so it made sense for me to like Brazil.

You a have a problem with that you can go suck a dick.

You clearly had a problem with me liking The Netherlands, even though I have lots of Dutch friends. Suck it.

I loathe The Netherlands, sue me.

Too much talking, not enough cock suckage. :lol
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 08, 2010, 09:48:27 PM
Who tears an ACL first?
/me is a bitter mavs fan.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: WrikaWrek on July 08, 2010, 09:48:47 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on July 08, 2010, 09:47:15 PM
Quote from: WrikaWrek on July 08, 2010, 09:46:45 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 08, 2010, 09:44:21 PM
Quote from: WrikaWrek on July 08, 2010, 09:43:15 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 08, 2010, 09:38:50 PM
Quote from: WrikaWrek on July 08, 2010, 09:37:14 PM
Whoa, bunch of distinguished mentally-challenged debbie downers right here on ESPN.

You would've thought that journos would be all over this shit, given how promising the future is, how amazing it can be, even if it isn't. Whatever

Portugal to Brazil to the Miami Heat.

I don't get it.

I don't have a favorite in the NBA, i liked watching the Celtics play this season, i rooted for Orlando at times, Phoenix at others, even Lakers. I do like Wade as a player though, hence why i wanted to see him move, Miami looks strong now, and i think it's gonna be exciting to watch them play.


Seems like the only team you don't cheer for is the Clippers.

As far as NBA goes, i don't have a favorite team. It's pretty much on a match to match basis.


Quote from: Mr. Gundam on July 08, 2010, 09:44:54 PM
Quote from: WrikaWrek on July 08, 2010, 09:43:15 PM
i have brazillian friends so it made sense for me to like Brazil.

You a have a problem with that you can go suck a dick.

You clearly had a problem with me liking The Netherlands, even though I have lots of Dutch friends. Suck it.

I loathe The Netherlands, sue me.

Too much talking, not enough cock suckage.

Suck it.

Why don't you suck yourself since you are so much into cock sucking?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 08, 2010, 09:49:29 PM
 :teehee
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 08, 2010, 09:50:02 PM
They're burning his jersey? That's not the only thing they'll burn.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: E-DuB on July 08, 2010, 09:50:19 PM
Now that the Heat are pretty much a lock to win the title next year, anyone see them at some point coming close to 72-10?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on July 08, 2010, 09:50:20 PM
Jersey burnings in Cleveland.

Stay classy, sore losers. :rofl
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: WrikaWrek on July 08, 2010, 09:50:42 PM
Oh great, he started talking in 3rd person.

gawd...
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 08, 2010, 09:51:03 PM
LeBron James did the best thing for Lebron James.

Wow.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 08, 2010, 09:51:13 PM
In a year, when the Heat get their exceptions back, they'll be even better. Perfect season, anyone?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 08, 2010, 09:51:56 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 08, 2010, 09:51:13 PM
In a year, when the Heat get their exceptions back, they'll be even better. Perfect season, anyone?

Miami would have two teams with perfect records!
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on July 08, 2010, 09:52:05 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 08, 2010, 09:50:02 PM
They're burning his jersey? That's not the only thing they'll burn.
BURN THAT MOTHERFUCKER DOWN TO THE GROUND!
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 08, 2010, 09:52:33 PM
LBJ says he and the others will take less than the max. My god, Pat Riley is GOOOOOOOD. Never ever walk onto a used car lot with that man.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 08, 2010, 09:52:43 PM
OMG another announcement?  ::)
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: WrikaWrek on July 08, 2010, 09:53:06 PM
Cleveland sucks, Lebron was wasting time there.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 08, 2010, 09:53:23 PM
Anyone else thinks that Miami Heat will be the first team in NBA history to have at least 40 pts per game from free throws alone?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 08, 2010, 09:54:11 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on July 08, 2010, 09:53:23 PM
Anyone else thinks that Miami Heat will be the first team in NBA history to have at least 40 pts per game from free throws alone?

Sounds like the 06 Finals  :fbm
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on July 08, 2010, 09:54:15 PM
PAT RILEY HAS RISEN TO THE HEAVENS  :-*
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 08, 2010, 09:54:28 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on July 08, 2010, 09:44:54 PM
Quote from: WrikaWrek on July 08, 2010, 09:43:15 PM
i have brazillian friends so it made sense for me to like Brazil.

You a have a problem with that you can go suck a dick.

You clearly had a problem with me liking The Netherlands, even though I have lots of Dutch friends. Suck it.

So you don't have any African or Latino friends?  What a racist!
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: BlackMage on July 08, 2010, 09:55:27 PM
None of this matters. Blake Griffin is the next big thing and Lebron is on his way out of the spotlight
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: WrikaWrek on July 08, 2010, 09:55:53 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 08, 2010, 09:52:33 PM
LBJ says he and the others will take less than the max. My god, Pat Riley is GOOOOOOOD. Never ever walk onto a used car lot with that man.


It's a Real Madrid like situation. By forming an all star team, each of them will rise in value if they reach success. The amount of money this franchise can make worldwide if it reaches its potential, will allow each of them to earn even more millions in sponsorships and shit.

Makes sense.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Bocsius on July 08, 2010, 09:56:19 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on July 08, 2010, 09:51:56 PM
Miami would have two teams with perfect records!

Mercury Morris would roll over in his grave.

While still alive.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Bocsius on July 08, 2010, 09:56:47 PM
Quote from: BlackMage on July 08, 2010, 09:55:27 PM
None of this matters. Blake Griffin is the next big thing and Lebron is on his way out of the spotlight

Warning: Clippers fan.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 08, 2010, 09:56:55 PM
RT @injuryexpert: New LeBron billboard in Cleveland: "WITNESS PROTECTION"
20 minutes ago via w
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 08, 2010, 09:57:31 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 08, 2010, 09:54:11 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on July 08, 2010, 09:53:23 PM
Anyone else thinks that Miami Heat will be the first team in NBA history to have at least 40 pts per game from free throws alone?

Sounds like the 06 Finals  :fbm

*hugs Malek* :fbm
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 08, 2010, 09:58:57 PM
Mario, give me your jersey or we'll trade your ass to the clippers.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 08, 2010, 10:02:08 PM
Scott: On a scale of 1 to 10, how distinguished mentally-challenged was this hour.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 08, 2010, 10:03:07 PM
[youtube=560,345]3jza5cms9YM[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: E-DuB on July 08, 2010, 10:03:55 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 08, 2010, 10:02:08 PM
Scott: On a scale of 1 to 10, how distinguished mentally-challenged was this hour.

15 easily
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 08, 2010, 10:06:50 PM
The kids are our future.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on July 08, 2010, 10:06:57 PM
[youtube=560,345]1-mU-YSk32I[/youtube]

THIS IS THE GREATEST DAY EVER
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Bocsius on July 08, 2010, 10:07:39 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 08, 2010, 10:06:50 PM
The kids are our future.

Teach them well and let them lead the way.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: pilonv1 on July 08, 2010, 10:09:29 PM
Warriors trading for David Lee and a 80mill/yrd deal

Randoplh, Azabuike and Turiaf, I'll miss you guys :'(

:fbm
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 08, 2010, 10:10:41 PM
Quote from: pilonv1 on July 08, 2010, 10:09:29 PM
Warriors trading for David Lee and a 80mill/yrd deal

Randoplh, Azabuike and Turiaf, I'll miss you guys :'(

:fbm
I'm sorry, there are only two franchises in the NBA: the Lakers and the Heat.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: BlackMage on July 08, 2010, 10:11:21 PM
CLIPPERS LFDSGLJDSLGJDSLGJDSGJDSGJDSG
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: WrikaWrek on July 08, 2010, 10:11:31 PM
Quote from: Bocsius on July 08, 2010, 10:07:39 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 08, 2010, 10:06:50 PM
The kids are our future.

Teach them well and let them lead the way.

Show them all the beauty they possess inside.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on July 08, 2010, 10:12:09 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22294172&postcount=13267 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22294172&postcount=13267)

:rofl
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 08, 2010, 10:12:26 PM
Quote from: BlackMage on July 08, 2010, 10:11:21 PM
CLIPPERS LFDSGLJDSLGJDSLGJDSGJDSGJDSG

NBDL team.

edit: That's not even true; who was the last player they developed?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on July 08, 2010, 10:14:04 PM
GAF is cratering. GAF is cratering. :rofl
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 08, 2010, 10:18:56 PM
Quote from: ferrarimanf355 on July 08, 2010, 10:12:09 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22294172&postcount=13267 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22294172&postcount=13267)

:rofl

:rofl

Basketball culture :rofl
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: WrikaWrek on July 08, 2010, 10:20:34 PM
That's just a modification of the Final Fantasy XIII -> Xbox 360 announcement reaction from a GAF poster. Probably Kagari, i don't remember
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 08, 2010, 10:23:11 PM
Quote from: WrikaWrek on July 08, 2010, 09:55:53 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 08, 2010, 09:52:33 PM
LBJ says he and the others will take less than the max. My god, Pat Riley is GOOOOOOOD. Never ever walk onto a used car lot with that man.


It's a Real Madrid like situation. By forming an all star team, each of them will rise in value if they reach success. The amount of money this franchise can make worldwide if it reaches its potential, will allow each of them to earn even more millions in sponsorships and shit.

Makes sense.

I've said this many times. We haven't seen anything like this before - the marketing is going to be insane. Insane amounts of money will be made by everyone.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 08, 2010, 10:24:31 PM
no point watching the mavs next sesason.
wait, there never was
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on July 08, 2010, 10:27:44 PM
Quote from: WrikaWrek on July 08, 2010, 10:20:34 PM
That's just a modification of the Final Fantasy XIII -> Xbox 360 announcement reaction from a GAF poster. Probably Kagari, i don't remember
THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT AWESOME! :rofl
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 08, 2010, 10:29:17 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 08, 2010, 10:23:11 PM
Quote from: WrikaWrek on July 08, 2010, 09:55:53 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 08, 2010, 09:52:33 PM
LBJ says he and the others will take less than the max. My god, Pat Riley is GOOOOOOOD. Never ever walk onto a used car lot with that man.


It's a Real Madrid like situation. By forming an all star team, each of them will rise in value if they reach success. The amount of money this franchise can make worldwide if it reaches its potential, will allow each of them to earn even more millions in sponsorships and shit.

Makes sense.

I've said this many times. We haven't seen anything like this before - the marketing is going to be insane. Insane amounts of money will be made by everyone.

Yeah, this is huge.  It's the equivalent of Sean Michaels, Mr. Marcus and Lexington Steele teaming up. 
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 08, 2010, 10:30:23 PM
Sean Michaels, Mr. Marcus and Lexington Steele teaming up in South Beach would be something to see. Get on that shit.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: E-DuB on July 08, 2010, 10:32:41 PM
Quote from: ferrarimanf355 on July 08, 2010, 10:12:09 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22294172&postcount=13267 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22294172&postcount=13267)

:rofl

Son of a bitch :lol
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on July 08, 2010, 10:43:52 PM
[youtube=560,345]wUBB1lOLD6k[/youtube]
:D
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Bloodwake on July 08, 2010, 11:05:31 PM
This may be the first time in recent memory that a superstar took less money to play on a team and everyone bitched about it.

Then again, the fucker did string along five fucking teams including one he played for for seven fucking years. So it's understandable.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 08, 2010, 11:08:19 PM
Quote from: Bloodwake on July 08, 2010, 11:05:31 PM
This may be the first time in recent memory that a superstar took less money to play on a team and everyone bitched about it.

Then again, the fucker did string along five fucking teams including one he played for for seven fucking years. So it's understandable.

Whenever people assign villain or hero status to people during contract negotiations in sports that's pretty much the first sign they are an idiot.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Brehvolution on July 08, 2010, 11:09:04 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on July 08, 2010, 09:36:36 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on July 08, 2010, 09:33:22 PM
Now his mom's house is going to get burned down too. :(

So Cavs might lose Delonte West as well? :fbm
:rofl :rofl
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 08, 2010, 11:14:55 PM
Apparently Kanye West was in attendance - could have been an all-time great Kanye moment.

'Yo, I love you and Imma let you finish LeBron but just let me say this, he's going to Miami'
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Bloodwake on July 08, 2010, 11:15:18 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 08, 2010, 11:08:19 PM
Quote from: Bloodwake on July 08, 2010, 11:05:31 PM
This may be the first time in recent memory that a superstar took less money to play on a team and everyone bitched about it.

Then again, the fucker did string along five fucking teams including one he played for for seven fucking years. So it's understandable.

Whenever people assign villain or hero status to people during contract negotiations in sports that's pretty much the first sign they are an idiot.

Good point. It was pretty much assured that he was going to piss dumbass people off regardless of what he did.

But still, he could have done things differently.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 08, 2010, 11:19:40 PM
What was he supposed to do, say he was going to sign with the Heat...in 2008? Even then, we'd still have speculated like crazy 'til the last minute.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 08, 2010, 11:27:46 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 08, 2010, 11:19:40 PM
What was he supposed to do, say he was going to sign with the Heat...in 2008? Even then, we'd still have speculated like crazy 'til the last minute.

There is nothing wrong with his decision and certainly nothing to bitch about. He joined a squad that gives him a great shot to win a title now and in the future. I always said either this or joining Chicago was his best move and this was 100% the right move. Screw annoying Cleveland fans and sports opinion makers. Staying in Cleveland was the absolute stupid move.

The only ting I would have changed is just doing a regular old press conference in the morning to announce but honestly who cares. This is the modern age of sports spectacle where people do lots of dumb stuff I don't agree with. 
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: BlueTsunami on July 08, 2010, 11:34:27 PM
Quote
"Some people think they should go to heaven but NOT have to die to get there."

Dan Gilbert
Majority Owner
Cleveland Cavaliers

 :bow
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 08, 2010, 11:37:08 PM
'STEIN_LINE_HQ: Gilbert: "I PERSONALLY GUARANTEE THAT THE CLEVELAND CAVALIERS WILL WIN AN NBA CHAMPIONSHIP BEFORE THE SELF-TITLED FORMER ‘KING’ WINS ONE" [via Twitter] '

:rofl

'.....AND THEN YOU WILL BLOW ME'
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 08, 2010, 11:42:11 PM
http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/news/gilbert_letter_100708.html

wow, bet the free agents will be lining up to play for this nut-job
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 08, 2010, 11:43:56 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 08, 2010, 11:42:11 PM
http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/news/gilbert_letter_100708.html

wow, bet the free agents will be lining up to play for this nut-job

lol. I was just about to post this. Now I can actively root against them as they go down the drain.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 08, 2010, 11:45:01 PM
It's in Comic Sans :lol

... So who will be the first team to pull the trigger on Agent Zero: Cleveland, New York or New Jersey?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 08, 2010, 11:48:36 PM
Btw this heat team will be the greatest videogame team of all time in NBA 2k11.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 08, 2010, 11:50:01 PM
yeah, loved the Comic Sans.

He implied that they would be spilling all the behind-the-scenes dirt on LeBron too. Cleveland, thy name is class.

*refreshes ESPN frantically in the hopes of dirt being spilled*

Beasley is being traded for cap space...not wild about that. I thought he could be really good as a bench scorer with some veteran guidance and support. Still, they are sorted at the 3 and 4...need to sign a decent center with that cap space before they do anything. Or...they need it to pay the big 3.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 08, 2010, 11:52:06 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 08, 2010, 11:50:01 PM
yeah, loved the Comic Sans.

He implied that they would be spilling all the behind-the-scenes dirt on LeBron too. Cleveland, thy name is class.

*refreshes ESPN frantically in the hopes of dirt being spilled*

My wife was such a whore! Why did she leave me!?

 :'(
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 08, 2010, 11:52:18 PM
Moving Beasley lets them pay Bosh, Wade and LeBron and gives them flexibility to sign someone to the dirty work against Howard. The rest of the team will be journeymen and scrubs until they get more exceptions next season.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 08, 2010, 11:54:05 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 08, 2010, 11:45:01 PM
It's in Comic Sans :lol

... So who will be the first team to pull the trigger on Agent Zero: Cleveland, New York or New Jersey?

Only Washington fans could possibly care, sorry. New Jersey has no need for him though. Amar'e and Gilbert together would be comical. Cleveland surely has to rebuild as fast as possible in order to beat LBJ to a ring!
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of "And I'll form the head"
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 08, 2010, 11:55:45 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 08, 2010, 10:30:23 PM
Sean Michaels, Mr. Marcus and Lexington Steele teaming up in South Beach would be something to see. Get on that shit.

:bow2

Get Mandingo and Shane Diesel to sign for the veteran's minimum and the Really Big Five will wreck all competition for years. 
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 08, 2010, 11:55:52 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 08, 2010, 11:52:18 PM
Moving Beasley lets them pay Bosh, Wade and LeBron and gives them flexibility to sign someone to the dirty work against Howard. The rest of the team will be journeymen and scrubs until they get more exceptions next season.

You can't get more than one mid-level exception in any given year, btw. And I think you're only allowed 2 every 3 years or something like that.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Bocsius on July 08, 2010, 11:56:30 PM
Dan Gilbert has officially jumped the shark.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 09, 2010, 12:01:23 AM
So the Heat is going to sign Mike Miller with Beasley's cap space? :rofl

HEAT SIGNS ALL OF NBA
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Bocsius on July 09, 2010, 12:04:28 AM
More Gilbert

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5365793

My guess is LeBron will sleep much easier tonight than he previously thought. Good job, Dan.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 09, 2010, 12:08:16 AM
Preview of Heat's 2011 Roster:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://api.ning.com/files/A-oN5eKUUuAckxMROQq14LiYOU7z8QQ*zvSoIvVvH-zb5s-TM5K4ClQTH-S3uwSIybIsGPdQwmscBGUM5nzBAxqxxIUAMrxY/USA_Basketball_Team_2008.jpg)
[close]
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 09, 2010, 12:24:32 AM
(http://i28.tinypic.com/2qbhmyg.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 09, 2010, 12:35:02 AM
Someone with video skills please edit the Power Rangers opening to have Bosh, Wade, and James. And Pat Riley as Zordon.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2010, 12:43:15 AM
Oh the bitter tears. I'm not a fan of LeBron using a prime time, one hour wank fest to stab his home town fans in the heart, but anyone bitching about betrayal needs to stfu. He was a free agent. He didn't think the Cavs could do enough to surround him with good players. He's signing for less money so he can win multiple championships. Enough of this bullshit

If he was leaving any other team I wouldn't give a fuck, but it's hard NOT to feel bad about Cle fans given how shitty their city and sports situation has been for years.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 09, 2010, 01:10:55 AM
The Cavs painted themselves into a corner because they thought they could win right away. They should have built slow and steady, like Sam Presti is doing in OKC. In 7 yrs, Presti would have build a foundation so solid LeBron would never have jumped ship. Look at how quick Durant was to sign, in somewhere that can't exactly be as fun as South Beach. No-one even TRIED to tempt Durant away.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 09, 2010, 01:14:33 AM
I'm curious to see how James' former teammates will fare without him.  "Experts" like Charley Rosen were riding James for not trusting them enough and highlighting that as a main reason for the Cavs' failure. 
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 09, 2010, 01:21:20 AM
ugh, Charley Rosen. What a bitter old man. I say that as a bitter old man.

Yeah, the Cavs are going to crater next season. Gilbert's comments will only make it worse. It's suddenly very clear why Danny Ferry walked away from the GM job.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2010, 01:26:15 AM
Izzo is probably at home laughing
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 09, 2010, 01:37:28 AM
Even with my rep as a BBC fan, the material below might be quite embarrassing.  PD asked that I post it though so blame him.


Quote
there really are some eerie similarities between the NBA's big three and IR porn's big three:

Mr Marcus/Bosh: Not the most physically gifted but makes the most of his talents.  Very underrated by many fans.

Sean Michaels/Wade: Great talent with a strong work ethic who is well respected among his peers and fans.

Lexington Steele/James: Have the most talent, accomplished a lot but is still sometimes suspected to be not giving full effort.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 09, 2010, 01:43:03 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2010, 01:26:15 AM
Izzo is probably at home laughing

LeBron didn't even meet with him. That was pretty much the first clue.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 09, 2010, 03:13:00 AM
"It's not about him leaving," Gilbert said. "It's the disrespect. It's time for people to hold these athletes accountable for their actions. Is this the way you raise your children? I've been holding this all in for a long time."

:rofl

So why didn't you teach him a lesson all these years?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 09, 2010, 03:43:13 AM
I think he means 'it's time for Micky Arison to hold him accountable for his actions' :rofl
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2010, 04:03:15 AM
should have traded lebron when you had the chance dumbass
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: etiolate on July 09, 2010, 04:25:21 AM
This gives me more respect for CWebb in his free agency year. Everyone thought he'd bail smalltown Sacramento, but he signed the extension and the team built as much a contender as could be before he blew his knees out.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2010, 04:37:19 AM
I always get an Uncle Rico vibe from Sac Town fans
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: etiolate on July 09, 2010, 05:28:23 AM
From Napoleon Dynamite?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on July 09, 2010, 08:11:20 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 08, 2010, 11:42:11 PM
http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/news/gilbert_letter_100708.html

wow, bet the free agents will be lining up to play for this nut-job
Wait, did the Cavs majority owner talk like a GAF poster? :rofl
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 09, 2010, 08:16:29 AM
God, people in Ohio have been insufferable in the last 12 hours or so.  I almost forgot why I hated this state and that city so much.  LeBron leaving was probably best for me, as I can now fully wash myself of this city for good.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Beezy on July 09, 2010, 10:03:57 AM
Funniest thing I've seen from all this (better on a forum that allows autoplay):

[youtube=560,345]wbfbWEohhbg[/youtube]

(http://i49.tinypic.com/2d9tvl.gif)
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on July 09, 2010, 11:33:26 AM
HAPPY LEBRONUKKAH! (http://deadspin.com/5582399/cleveland-fans-react-with-usual-grace-and-tact) :rofl
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: DJ_Tet on July 09, 2010, 01:24:00 PM
Quote from: etiolate on July 09, 2010, 04:25:21 AM
This gives me more respect for CWebb in his free agency year. Everyone thought he'd bail smalltown Sacramento, but he signed the extension and the team built as much a contender as could be before he blew his knees out.

He took the money like everyone else I can think of except LeBron.  Even the ones who left did so with a sign and trade and max money.

I can't think of another time when a max player left this kind of money on the table.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 09, 2010, 01:37:12 PM
Quote from: DJ_Tet on July 09, 2010, 01:24:00 PM
Quote from: etiolate on July 09, 2010, 04:25:21 AM
This gives me more respect for CWebb in his free agency year. Everyone thought he'd bail smalltown Sacramento, but he signed the extension and the team built as much a contender as could be before he blew his knees out.

He took the money like everyone else I can think of except LeBron.  Even the ones who left did so with a sign and trade and max money.

I can't think of another time when a max player left this kind of money on the table.

Pretty much. The easiest thing to do is always stay since they can pay you more. It's not exactly the "noble" position some people make it out to be.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2010, 04:32:18 PM
And yet people are calling LeBron selfish lol

Dude wants to win. Although to be fair, he clearly didn't want to win in game 7 against the Celtics
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2010, 04:57:27 PM
Lakers fans in a nutshell
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22306607&postcount=15078
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 09, 2010, 05:00:09 PM
Honestly most sports fan aren't much removed from console fanboys. The only difference is its socially acceptable to be a sports fanboy.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Himu on July 09, 2010, 05:10:48 PM
NO

NOT SCOLA
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Beezy on July 09, 2010, 05:12:51 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2010, 04:32:18 PM
And yet people are calling LeBron selfish lol

Dude wants to win. Although to be fair, he clearly didn't want to win in game 7 against the Celtics
game 6
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on July 09, 2010, 05:21:35 PM
The local sports radio show here in Palm Beach County announced that the owner of the Cavs also owns fathead.com (http://fathead.com), and the Fathead LeBron Cavs merch is on clearance for $17.41.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
1741 was the year Benedict Arnold was born. I can tell that the owner of the Cavs isn't bitter.  ::)
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EDIT:

http://www.fathead.com/nba/cleveland-cavaliers/lebron-james-drives-fathead-junior/
http://www.fathead.com/nba/cleveland-cavaliers/lebron-james/

::)
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2010, 05:29:40 PM
Gilbert should leak the Delonte West/Gloria James sex tape
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on July 09, 2010, 05:32:09 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2010, 05:29:40 PM
Gilbert should leak the Delonte West/Gloria James sex tape
::)
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2010, 05:58:04 PM
JJ Redick should sign with Miami. I wonder if LeBron can woo Zydrunas Ilgauskas too
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 09, 2010, 06:00:04 PM
If Z leaves too, Cleveland legitimately will suicide.

Do it, Z.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2010, 06:04:14 PM
Z has been loyal for years, him leaving wouldn't be a huge deal imo. He's old and wants a ring; would have been a great story if the Cavs had won this year, given all the stuff Z has gone through.

The Heat need a center; he could come off the bench so they could save him for the playoffs.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on July 09, 2010, 11:45:19 PM
BOSH HULKIN OUT FOR NO REASON. :rofl (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22311744&postcount=15667)
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 10, 2010, 12:11:41 AM
Why would the Heat sign Reddick when they have Mike Miller? They need centers more now.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 10, 2010, 12:21:53 AM
is the Miller thing a done deal?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 10, 2010, 12:59:19 AM
Quote from: Green Man on July 10, 2010, 12:41:13 AM
Gilbert is the best. I love how he's handled this so far.

What the fuck, why.  He's being even more childish than LeBron.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 10, 2010, 09:10:48 AM
So the heat have Haslem returning and they're getting Mike Miller. Day-yum. They're going to be able to sign some dudes for minimum that just want a ring. This team is a contender in its first season, and they'll be even better.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2010, 01:25:03 AM
I don't know what's more annoying, LeBron's 1hr stunt or the reaction form the media/sports fans. So many stupid arguments being thrown around. Have people forgotten Larry Bird won a bunch of championships playing on a god damn all star team, as did Magic Johnson? The Heat now have two shoe in hall of famers, and if you look at it that way the team isn't some new phenomena. I seem to remember the Lakers winning championships with two hall of famers (Shaq/Kobe), one of which was the most dominate player in the league at the time.

If LeBron retires with 6 championships it's going to be hard to dismiss the accomplishment
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Beezy on July 12, 2010, 01:34:34 AM
2 of the current top 3 players are on the same fucking team. This never happened before. Ofcourse people are gonna be mad.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 12, 2010, 01:55:10 AM
2 of the best players in the league on the same team, within all legal requirements of the league.  People need to stop being so butthurt and admit the Heat are going to assfuck next year.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Beezy on July 12, 2010, 02:00:39 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 12, 2010, 01:55:10 AM
2 of the best players in the league on the same team, within all legal requirements of the league.  People need to stop being so butthurt and admit the Heat are going to assfuck next year.
People ARE buthurt because their teams are gonna get assfucked. :teehee
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: etiolate on July 12, 2010, 03:03:06 AM
The Heat thing will probably cause a franchise tag thing to happen.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 12, 2010, 03:12:50 AM
It's hilarious - he hasn't won a damn thing yet and people are already rushing to downplay it :lol

It's FEAR. It's so awesome to see the bandwagon Lakers fans shitting their pants.

And all those who say 'Oh, MJ stuck with the same team...'?

MJ was a dumb-ass and signed an 8 yr deal for shitty money. It was the worst deal for a player in all of sports, relative to his actual worth. If he could have been a free agent in his prime, you bet your sweet fucking ass he would have played the market for all its worth.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Beezy on July 12, 2010, 07:36:31 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 12, 2010, 03:12:50 AM
It's hilarious - he hasn't won a damn thing yet and people are already rushing to downplay it :lol

It's FEAR. It's so awesome to see the bandwagon Lakers fans shitting their pants.
True. If Carmelo actually goes to the Knicks and Chris Paul or someone else joins him (CP3 joked about it at Melo's wedding), I'll thank nWo Hollywood for inadvertently creating nWo Wolfpac. I'm loving the wrestling comparisons. :lol
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 12, 2010, 08:35:42 AM
tbh, this has all made me want to stop hitting the snooze button and start paying attention to the NBA after 5-10 yrs of indifference, and not really bandwagoning or hating either way.

DRAMA
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: pollo on July 12, 2010, 10:01:18 AM
Quote from: Beezy on July 12, 2010, 07:36:31 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 12, 2010, 03:12:50 AM
It's hilarious - he hasn't won a damn thing yet and people are already rushing to downplay it :lol

It's FEAR. It's so awesome to see the bandwagon Lakers fans shitting their pants.
True. If Carmelo actually goes to the Knicks and Chris Paul or someone else joins him (CP3 joked about it at Melo's wedding), I'll thank nWo Hollywood for inadvertently creating nWo Wolfpac. I'm loving the wrestling comparisons. :lol

Stop with your delusional rantings/hopes. This is why everyone makes fun of knicks fans. We're not sniffing Melo's jock. Nor are we sniffin Paul's.

We will watch Anythony Randolph grow into a more complete player and like it  :-\
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Brehvolution on July 12, 2010, 10:03:37 AM
Quote from: Wrath2X on July 12, 2010, 07:47:26 AM
Well one things for sure this upcoming season will be a lot more interesting.

That is for damn sure.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Beezy on July 12, 2010, 10:22:37 AM
Quote from: pollo on July 12, 2010, 10:01:18 AM
Quote from: Beezy on July 12, 2010, 07:36:31 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 12, 2010, 03:12:50 AM
It's hilarious - he hasn't won a damn thing yet and people are already rushing to downplay it :lol

It's FEAR. It's so awesome to see the bandwagon Lakers fans shitting their pants.
True. If Carmelo actually goes to the Knicks and Chris Paul or someone else joins him (CP3 joked about it at Melo's wedding), I'll thank nWo Hollywood for inadvertently creating nWo Wolfpac. I'm loving the wrestling comparisons. :lol

Stop with your delusional rantings/hopes. This is why everyone makes fun of knicks fans. We're not sniffing Melo's jock. Nor are we sniffin Paul's.

We will watch Anythony Randolph grow into a more complete player and like it  :-\
Calm down, I didn't say it's actually gonna happen. I'm just entertaining the thought of more wrestling factions popping up. That shit would be great. People are already calling the Celtics the Four Horsemen.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on July 12, 2010, 10:24:36 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 10, 2010, 12:59:19 AM
Quote from: Green Man on July 10, 2010, 12:41:13 AM
Gilbert is the best. I love how he's handled this so far.

What the fuck, why.  He's being even more childish than LeBron.
u mad? :smug
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2010, 06:04:41 PM
Quote from: Beezy on July 12, 2010, 01:34:34 AM
2 of the current top 3 players are on the same fucking team. This never happened before. Ofcourse people are gonna be mad.

Where were you when Kobe and Shaq were dominating the league?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 12, 2010, 06:16:12 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2010, 06:04:41 PM
Quote from: Beezy on July 12, 2010, 01:34:34 AM
2 of the current top 3 players are on the same fucking team. This never happened before. Ofcourse people are gonna be mad.

Where were you when Kobe and Shaq were dominating the league?
Shaq was the best player in the league all those years, but Kobe wasn't among the top three. The only argument is 2001-2002, but T-Mac and Duncan were both better than Kobe that season.

LeBron, Wade, and Bosh finished first, second, and fourth last year in PER, respectively. There really is no comparable, especially post 80s and 90s expansion and post salary cap.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Beezy on July 12, 2010, 06:31:48 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 12, 2010, 06:16:12 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2010, 06:04:41 PM
Quote from: Beezy on July 12, 2010, 01:34:34 AM
2 of the current top 3 players are on the same fucking team. This never happened before. Ofcourse people are gonna be mad.

Where were you when Kobe and Shaq were dominating the league?
Shaq was the best player in the league all those years, but Kobe wasn't among the top three. The only argument is 2001-2002, but T-Mac and Duncan were both better than Kobe that season.

LeBron, Wade, and Bosh finished first, second, and fourth last year in PER, respectively. There really is no comparable, especially post 80s and 90s expansion and post salary cap.
thank you
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 12, 2010, 06:32:50 PM
What difference does it make if the best players are on one team. If they are abiding by the salary cap rules then they are.

What also strikes me funny is this outrage about this situation when nobody says boo about the same thing in baseball. Which has a broken salary structure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_teams_by_payroll

Not trying to diss baseball or anything but it shows how absurd this whole thing is

Or how about when Jordan took a lesser salary to get more help for his bulls.

Someone told me Charles Barkley was complaining about this situation. I had to laugh. Charles Barkley. Who wore out his welcome in Philly and never won a title. You gotta be kidding me.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 12, 2010, 06:54:42 PM
MLB's salary laws are utterly disgraceful.  That's why it is laughable when people use championships to validate Jeter's greatness. 
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 12, 2010, 06:56:43 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 12, 2010, 06:32:50 PM
What difference does it make if the best players are on one team. If they are abiding by the salary cap rules then they are.

What also strikes me funny is this outrage about this situation when nobody says boo about the same thing in baseball. Which has a broken salary structure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_teams_by_payroll

Not trying to diss baseball or anything but it shows how absurd this whole thing is

Or how about when Jordan took a lesser salary to get more help for his bulls.

Someone told me Charles Barkley was complaining about this situation. I had to laugh. Charles Barkley. Who wore out his welcome in Philly and never won a title. You gotta be kidding me.

It strikes me as anti-competitive. There are about a dozen franchise players in their primes in a 30-team league. Three of them now play on the same team thanks to a plan hatched months ago while their respective teams were still in the playoff mix.

LeBron should want to beat Wade, not play with him. What would people think if LeBron decided to play for the Lakers (Kobe = Wade and Bosh = Gasol)? How meaningful would his ring be?

Baseball fans outside of the major markets have been complaining for years. But the situations has remained constant, so you're not going to hear new outrage.

You could have brought up Houston to show Barkley's hypocrisy, though Barkley, Hakeem, and Drexler were past their primes.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 12, 2010, 06:58:53 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on July 12, 2010, 06:54:42 PM
MLB's salary laws are utterly disgraceful.  That's why it is laughable when people use championships to validate Jeter's greatness. 

It's laughable when any player's championships are used to validate his greatness (with the exception of players who played with shitty teammates see: Hakeem).

/says a Nowitzki-fanboy
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 12, 2010, 06:59:12 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 12, 2010, 06:56:43 PM
LeBron should want to beat Wade, not play with him.

People keep making this argument and it makes no sense to me. Not trying to be rude but really it doesn't.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 12, 2010, 07:01:01 PM
Lebron would have beaten Dwyane if somehow Lebron could make the Heat his team. 
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2010, 07:06:15 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 12, 2010, 06:59:12 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 12, 2010, 06:56:43 PM
LeBron should want to beat Wade, not play with him.

People keep making this argument and it makes no sense to me. Not trying to be rude but really it doesn't.

Agreed. Although it is odd seeing the three doing interviews with Wade as the obvious leader. LeBron in Chicago would have made things more interesting imo

We can talk about PER ratings all we want but at the end of the day this is three superstars on the same team. They aren't guaranteed anything
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 12, 2010, 07:06:29 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 12, 2010, 06:59:12 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 12, 2010, 06:56:43 PM
LeBron should want to beat Wade, not play with him.

People keep making this argument and it makes no sense to me. Not trying to be rude but really it doesn't.

It shows that he's unwilling to try to win a ring as the man. He needs his near equal and the best third banana since James Worthy.
Quote from: Smooth Groove on July 12, 2010, 07:01:01 PM
Lebron would have beaten Dwyane if somehow Lebron could make the Heat his team. 

It's not about Wade specifically, but it's about his need for a Wade-type player on his team, who is a clear number one on every other team except the Heat, Lakers, and possibly Thunder.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 12, 2010, 07:09:14 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 12, 2010, 07:06:29 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 12, 2010, 06:59:12 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 12, 2010, 06:56:43 PM
LeBron should want to beat Wade, not play with him.

People keep making this argument and it makes no sense to me. Not trying to be rude but really it doesn't.

It shows that he's unwilling to try to win a ring as the man. He needs his near equal and the best third banana since James Worthy.
Quote from: Smooth Groove on July 12, 2010, 07:01:01 PM
Lebron would have beaten Dwyane if somehow Lebron could make the Heat his team. 

It's not about Wade specifically, but it's about his need for a Wade-type player on his team, who is a clear number one on every other team except the Heat, Lakers, and possibly Thunder.

And Larry Bird played with Robert Parrish and Kevin Mchale who some consider one of the greatest power forwards of all time.

And Magic played with great players himself.

So I'm supposed to be upset at Lebron because also wants to play with great players instead of the shitty squad of scrubs he had in Cleveland.

yeah...still makes no sense to me.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 12, 2010, 07:09:23 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2010, 07:06:15 PM

We can talk about PER ratings all we want but at the end of the day this is three superstars on the same team. They aren't guaranteed anything

Not all superstars are equal.

As long as they stay healthy, they'll win a ring. The season will be completely pointless unless you want to see whether they'll top 72 wins.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2010, 07:13:49 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 12, 2010, 07:09:14 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 12, 2010, 07:06:29 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 12, 2010, 06:59:12 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 12, 2010, 06:56:43 PM
LeBron should want to beat Wade, not play with him.

People keep making this argument and it makes no sense to me. Not trying to be rude but really it doesn't.

It shows that he's unwilling to try to win a ring as the man. He needs his near equal and the best third banana since James Worthy.
Quote from: Smooth Groove on July 12, 2010, 07:01:01 PM
Lebron would have beaten Dwyane if somehow Lebron could make the Heat his team. 

It's not about Wade specifically, but it's about his need for a Wade-type player on his team, who is a clear number one on every other team except the Heat, Lakers, and possibly Thunder.

And Larry Bird played with Robert Parrish and Kevin Mchale who some consider one of the greatest power forwards of all time.

And Magic played with great players himself.

So I'm supposed to be upset at Lebron because also wants to play with great players instead of the shitty squad of scrubs he had in Cleveland.

yeah...still makes no sense to me.

bubububu PER ratings

The Celtics had a literal all star team in the 80s, and even before then. The Lakers had a literal all star team in the 80s, and before then. There's a history of this happening in the NBA, and it has never been a problem until last week.

If LeBron retires with six titles it won't matter who he won with.

Malek: they can't beat the Lakers, and they might not make it out of the eastern conference imo. I'd put Orlando above them, and Chicago perhaps

Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 12, 2010, 07:14:37 PM

McHale isn't even a top ten power forward in my mind. McHale, Parish, and Worthy are all overrated (see Jeter and championships)

Bird and Magic were both drafted onto their respective. They didn't leave their teams along with a third great player to team up to kill all other teams. A comparable would be Bird and Magic teaming up with George Gervin.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 12, 2010, 07:17:02 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 12, 2010, 07:14:37 PM

McHale isn't even a top ten power forward in my mind. McHale, Parish, and Worthy are all overrated (see Jeter and championships)

Bird and Magic were both drafted onto their respective. They didn't leave their teams along with a third great player to team up to kill all other teams. A comparable would be Bird and Magic teaming up with George Gervin.

Yeah I'm just gonna drop it and leave it at I disagree completely with people who have your opinion but to each his own I suppose.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 12, 2010, 07:23:33 PM
Look, a team with the best shooting guard, the best small forward, and arguably one of the three best power-forward's (Duncan is a center--only Gasol and Nowitzki have an argument here) should win easily in a 30-team league where elite talent is spread extremely thin. It won't mean anything.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 12, 2010, 07:30:50 PM
Would you be the least upset if James, Wade, Howard, Paul, and Bosh teamed up? What if Nowitzki, Boozer, and Johnson joined up to play off the bench?

If you're starting to have a problem, then it's only a question of degrees.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 12, 2010, 07:35:11 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 12, 2010, 07:30:50 PM
Would you be the least upset if James, Wade, Howard, Paul, and Bosh teamed up? What if Nowitzki, Boozer, and Johnson joined up to play off the bench?

If you're starting to have a problem, then it's only a question of degrees.

If they team up. And they want to split their salaries in such a way that still works under the rules then so be it. Who am I to judge players for what they want to do with their career and their lives and their money. If they want to assemble such a team and win then more power to them. As long as the actual system works with a salary cap. I don't have a problem with it. I do have a problem with something like the Yankees in baseball where you have a broken revenue structure.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2010, 07:35:37 PM
They'll win easily, but that doesn't mean they'll dominate the NBA Finals. Kobe is still breathing/healthy and has a great team around him. And if Howard ever learns some post moves (lol I know), Orlando could be very dangerous.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 12, 2010, 07:42:31 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 12, 2010, 07:35:11 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 12, 2010, 07:30:50 PM
Would you be the least upset if James, Wade, Howard, Paul, and Bosh teamed up? What if Nowitzki, Boozer, and Johnson joined up to play off the bench?

If you're starting to have a problem, then it's only a question of degrees.

If they team up. And they want to split their salaries in such a way that still works under the rules then so be it. Who am I to judge players for what they want to do with their career and their lives and their money. If they want to assemble such a team and win then more power to them. As long as the actually system works with a salary cap. I don't have a problem with it. I do have a problem with something like the Yankees in baseball where you have a broken revenue structure.

As a basketball fan, you wouldn't have a problem with my absurd line-up. The team would win most games by at least 20 points. Where's the competitive balance?  What the point of watching? Wouldn't their championship be worthless?   

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2010, 07:35:37 PM
They'll win easily, but that doesn't mean they'll dominate the NBA Finals. Kobe is still breathing/healthy and has a great team around him. And if Howard ever learns some post moves (lol I know), Orlando could be very dangerous.
Even if he learns some post moves, he doesn't have the teammates to get him past the Heat. Lewis and Carter are on the wrong side of 30. Nelson has yet to develop into a legitimate point guard.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 12, 2010, 07:43:57 PM
PD shows once again that he's not capable of any useful analysis beyond conventional "wisdom".  It's a typical sportswriter mistake to overrate teams that have fared well in the past season. 
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2010, 07:45:59 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on July 12, 2010, 07:43:57 PM
PD shows once again that he's not capable of any useful analysis beyond conventional "wisdom".  It's a typical sportswriter mistake to overrate teams that have fared well in the past season. 

Isn't the conventional wisdom: Heat destroy everyone, win championships? I'm going against the grain man :smug

Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 12, 2010, 07:47:18 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. link=topic=34662.msg1168657#msg1168657
As a basketball fan, you wouldn't have a problem with my absurd line-up. The team would win most games by at least 20 points. Where's the competitive balance?  What the point of watching? Wouldn't their championship be worthless?

First we speaking in theoretical terms. I don't think that lineup will come to pass. I'm more saying if it does then so be it theoretically. There is nothing stopping other players from assembling their own superstar squads if they wanted to do such a thing as long as they are also willing to take less money.

And the heat are two superstars and a good player. (Bosh). Bosh is no where near the level of Lebron or Wade. Just as you feel McHale was over-rated which I disagree with. Bosh is over-rated imo. They will still be a great squad though. My argument is this idea that superstars shouldn't play with other superstars because of some weird idea that they want to balance out the league. Every superstar who cares about winning should surround himself with the best talent possible. Otherwise he isn't trying. 
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 12, 2010, 07:47:52 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2010, 07:45:59 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on July 12, 2010, 07:43:57 PM
PD shows once again that he's not capable of any useful analysis beyond conventional "wisdom".  It's a typical sportswriter mistake to overrate teams that have fared well in the past season. 

Isn't the conventional wisdom: Heat destroy everyone, win championships? I'm going against the grain man :smug




Nope, many of the ESPN pundits/idiots have the Heat not even among the top 3.  I believe Adande placed the Celtics above the Heat.  
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2010, 07:51:33 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on July 12, 2010, 07:47:52 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2010, 07:45:59 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on July 12, 2010, 07:43:57 PM
PD shows once again that he's not capable of any useful analysis beyond conventional "wisdom".  It's a typical sportswriter mistake to overrate teams that have fared well in the past season. 

Isn't the conventional wisdom: Heat destroy everyone, win championships? I'm going against the grain man :smug




Nope, many of the ESPN pundits/idiots have the Heat not even among the top 3.  I believe Adande placed the Celtics above the Heat.  

Celtics...eh. I don't buy that. Heat need a couple more competent pieces imo. Although granted, LeBron/Wade/Bosh could make just about anyone look good on their team
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 12, 2010, 07:53:29 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 12, 2010, 07:47:18 PM

And the heat are two superstars and good player. (Bosh). Bosh is no where near the level of Lebron or Wade. Just as you feel McHale was over-rated which I disagree with. Bosh is over-rated imo. They will still be a great squad though.

Bosh isn't considered a superstar because he hasn't won anything (because he has been surrounded by shitty talent). He's an extremely efficient scorer with very good range for a big-man. He's one of the fastest bigs who rebounds at a great rate. He can play defense when he wants to (which is rather infrequently). He's just entered his prime--like LeBron--so it's hard to say whether he won't end up being better than McHale.

Mike Miller is a good player. Chris Bosh is a great player who has played on bad teams.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Mandark on July 12, 2010, 07:54:46 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 12, 2010, 06:32:50 PM
Or how about when Jordan took a lesser salary to get more help for his bulls.

I'm 99% sure that didn't happen.

He and Pippen were underpaid for years because they signed very long term deals in the late 80's/early 90's.  Jordan signed single-year deals for obscene amounts of money the last two or three seasons with the Bulls, while Pippen didn't get a big payday until he went to the Rockets.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 12, 2010, 07:56:15 PM
Yeah, Jordan signed one-year $30 million+ deals during his last two seasons with the Bulls.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Mandark on July 12, 2010, 07:59:32 PM
In any case, if you want to paint LeBron's decision as following precedents by other great players, MJ is the last person you want to bring up.

Can anyone imagine the angry, hypercompetitive, egomaniacal Jordan even considering a move like this?  Me neither.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 12, 2010, 08:01:03 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 12, 2010, 07:59:32 PM
In any case, if you want to paint LeBron's decision as following precedents by other great players, MJ is the last person you want to bring up.

Can anyone imagine the angry, hypercompetitive, egomaniacal Jordan even considering a move like this?  Me neither.

He would be fine with adding Mike Miller.
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Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 12, 2010, 08:02:15 PM
I'll retract the jordan comment. I thought I remembered one of those years where he took a lesser salary when he came back.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 12, 2010, 10:08:32 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 12, 2010, 06:59:12 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 12, 2010, 06:56:43 PM
LeBron should want to beat Wade, not play with him.

People keep making this argument and it makes no sense to me. Not trying to be rude but really it doesn't.

:bow Stoney :bow2

In case anyone else doesn't get it, it would be ridiculous for LeBron to be focusing in any way on beating Wade. Wade has in no way been a barrier to his championship ambitions in recent years. He has had to worry about the Spurs, the Magic and the Celtics. 2 out of 3 of those teams have a 'Big Three'. Wade would have to get out of the 1st round in order to have run into the Cavs! Do people somehow consider it nobler for teams like Wade's Heat or Kobe's 2006 Lakers to erase each other in meaningless 1st round battles than to posse up and head for the Finals? Bollocks. This is the NBA; no-one is climbing this mountain alone.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 12, 2010, 10:16:29 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 12, 2010, 07:59:32 PM
In any case, if you want to paint LeBron's decision as following precedents by other great players, MJ is the last person you want to bring up.

Can anyone imagine the angry, hypercompetitive, egomaniacal Jordan even considering a move like this?  Me neither.

Yep, LeBron is much smarter than that.

Seriously, how much harder did MJ make it on himself? Lest we forget, he didn't win anything forever. How many rings would he have had if he'd lobbied for David Robinson or Olajuwon to join him?

Anyway, LeBron is much more like Magic...he's an embracer, not a dictator. Kobe scowls when Vujacic or Farmar botches a play; LeBron beams when Varejao makes a lay-up of one of his passes. He's not MJ but that doesn't diminish him in my eyes.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 12, 2010, 10:16:55 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 12, 2010, 10:08:32 PM
This is the NBA; no-one is climbing this mountain alone.

Who is saying he should do it alone? There's doing it alone and then there's doing it on a stacked team in a 30-team league where the talent is spread thin. Udonis Haslem has signed with the Heat for five years. I'm not a big fan of Wages of Wins (mostly because it discounts volume scoring), but according to it LeBron, Bosh, Wade, Miller, Haslem, and Chalmers are worth 74.7 wins. So at this point, they just have to avoid adding players like Jeffries or Pargo.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 12, 2010, 10:18:07 PM
Don't blame us for being the only ones that know how to build a team. 
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 12, 2010, 10:20:38 PM
Well, what are you gonna do? They agreed to take less money. As J.A. Adande said, there is literally no rule you can write that will be effective in equitably distributing talent if superstars are prepared to walk away from money. He used the excellent metaphor of GSW, when they beat Dallas (sorry!) - no defense in the world can stop the other team from taking terrible shots.

If you can't see how GREAT this is for the NBA right now, you're blind. The interest is sky-high. Sure, as a purist, you have the right to bitch and moan about how the regular season is a joke because of a few teams beating up on dozens of bottom-feeders...but no-one will care. And the playoffs will be spectacular. There are still plenty of teams capable of eliminating the Heat, and that's ultimately all that matters in terms of the health of the league.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 12, 2010, 10:23:36 PM
J.A. Adande sucks.  Dude is always subtly making hagiographic comments about Kobe & Lakers, even in articles that shouldn't have anything to do with them. 
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 12, 2010, 10:27:03 PM
Sure, he's a Laker homer. But he writes well, generally. Pinch of salt, dude.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 12, 2010, 10:28:46 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 12, 2010, 10:20:38 PM
Well, what are you gonna do? *snip*

Belly-ache. I never--not once--said they shouldn't be allowed to do this. But I don't have to like it.

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There are still plenty of teams capable of eliminating the Heat

I don't see it unless one of big three gets injured. The Lakers might give them a fight, but Kobe will be 32 and he's logged over 1,000 career games. He's bound to decline sooner or later.

Paul has alluded to a potential union with Anthony and Amar'e. So, great. . . .
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 12, 2010, 10:29:23 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 12, 2010, 10:27:03 PM
Sure, he's a Laker homer. But he writes well, generally. Pinch of salt, dude.

TJ Simers is far superior.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-simers-20100614,0,2828164.column
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 12, 2010, 10:34:19 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 12, 2010, 10:28:46 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 12, 2010, 10:20:38 PM
Well, what are you gonna do? *snip*

Belly-ache. I never--not once--said they shouldn't be allowed to do this. But I don't have to like it.

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There are still plenty of teams capable of eliminating the Heat

I don't see it unless one of big three gets injured. The Lakers might give them a fight, but Kobe will be 32 and he's logged over 1,000 career games. He's bound to decline sooner or later.

Paul has alluded to a potential union with Anthony and Amar'e. So, great. . . .

There's always a favorite going into the season, often a prohibitive one. Only a few years ago, we were quaking in fear of a Celtics dynasty created by trades that fans bitched about, and we're in the middle of a Lakers dynasty created by trades that fans bitched about. People said that T-Mac and Yao Ming would win multiple titles! People assumed that LeBron would win 5 or 6 with Cleveland.

You're bitching, but you're interested and engaged, admit it. Wild horses couldn't stop you from watching the first time the Heat play the Lakers, the Celtics and the Magic.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 12, 2010, 10:44:39 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 12, 2010, 10:34:19 PM
There's always a favorite going into the season, often a prohibitive one. Only a few years ago, we were quaking in fear of a Celtics dynasty created by trades that fans bitched about, and we're in the middle of a Lakers dynasty created by trades that fans bitched about. People said that T-Mac and Yao Ming would win multiple titles! People assumed that LeBron would win 5 or 6 with Cleveland.

You're bitching, but you're interested and engaged, admit it. Wild horses couldn't stop you from watching the first time the Heat play the Lakers, the Celtics and the Magic.
No one feared a new Celtics dynasty--at least a long one. Garnett and Allen were past their primes when they joined the Celtics.

I've mentioned that health is important. I'm sure if Yao and T-Mac stayed healthy, they would have had some success. But I really can't recall anyone ever thinking the Rockets were the favorites to win one let alone multiple titles.

Who predicted six championships for Cleveland? Even with their best team ever, not a lot of people were predicting they'd be champs: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=Predictions0910-NBAchamp (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=Predictions0910-NBAchamp)

I've actually become a big hockey fan over the last season. I can miss the NBA season just fine.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 12, 2010, 10:53:14 PM
Jeez, i think it's pretty clear that the Celtics would have at least reached the Finals 3 straight years running if KG hadn't been hurt last year. But if we're getting to the point of insulting each other's intelligence by reminding each other of stuff we both know already, it's probably time to quit with the historical discussions.

I'm a little afraid that the Big 3 in Miami could become oppressive, but not terrified like I was with Shaq and Kobe in 2000. Wade will decline fast after 30, Bosh isn't a game-changer. Other teams are perfectly capable fo beating them both now and in the future. Mostly, I think it'll be a fun ride!
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 12, 2010, 10:58:49 PM
To clarify my point about 'people's assumptions' though - I'm not talking about the die-hard fans and ESPN experts here; I'm talking about the casual fan who sees the splashy trade or the young hot-shot 'next Jordan' type winning the MVP and just assumes that their team is gonna clean up without considering the opposition, or factors like injury, chemistry etc. Obviously that's what a lot of people are doing with Miami, and panicking.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 12, 2010, 11:02:09 PM
An injury to one of three key players with a ton of mileage is somewhat inevitable, which is why I didn't--and don't remember anyone else--foreseeing a new Celtics dynasty, as you claim

Without the emergence of Rajon Rondo, which was unforeseen when the trades were made, the Celtics wouldn't have made the Finals this year.

Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 12, 2010, 11:03:56 PM
Hindsight!

At the time, we didn't know the Lakers would have Pau Gasol, either.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 12, 2010, 11:06:13 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 12, 2010, 10:58:49 PM
To clarify my point about 'people's assumptions' though - I'm not talking about the die-hard fans and ESPN experts here; I'm talking about the casual fan who sees the splashy trade or the young hot-shot 'next Jordan' type winning the MVP and just assumes that their team is gonna clean up without considering the opposition, or factors like injury, chemistry etc. Obviously that's what a lot of people are doing with Miami, and panicking.

Fine, I'm a casual fan. But the Heat have the best shooting guard, the best small forward, and one of the three best powerforwards in the NBA. The only way they don't win rings next year is if one of them gets injured or Wade and Bosh run a train on LeBron's mom.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 12, 2010, 11:08:32 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 12, 2010, 11:03:56 PM
Hindsight!

At the time, we didn't know the Lakers would have Pau Gasol, either.

Hindsight? We knew they were old at the time. Garnett and Allen were drafted in the mid-90s. How long could the "dynasty" last.


OK, if the Lakers add another Gasol, then the Heat don't win automatically.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 12, 2010, 11:26:57 PM
ugh, hindsight refers to your statement that they needed Rondo to be a star to win. I'm saying they only needed Rondo because the Lakers later got Gasol. Without Gasol, and with a still-emerging Rondo, the Celtics had no trouble with the Lakers, right? At the time, there was no reason not to assume the Celtics couldn't repeat, other than age or injury.

And 3 years is the accepted minimum length of a 'dynasty' is it not? i.e. Isiah's Pistons = not a dynasty, Shaqobe = dynasty. No-one other than Bill Russell has won more than 3 straight titles, right?

I'd favor the Heat to win next year, but by no means is it automatic. How do they play the Magic or the Lakers with Bosh or Haslem at the 5? Without single coverage of Dwight Howard, the Magic are perfectly capable of carving them up. Ditto for the Lakers, who have great defenders to put on Wade and LeBron.

And if all of this spares us from ever again having to watch Mo Williams and Big Z in the post-season, it can only be a good thing.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 12, 2010, 11:30:59 PM
OKAY . . . both Rondo's emergence and the Lakers' trade were unforeseen. Now I said without Rondo's emergence that the Celtics wouldn't have made the Finals this years (that's a hypothetical I know), so what does that have to do with the Gasol trade?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 12, 2010, 11:43:27 PM
All of those factors just show you that people who try to make long-term predictions about the NBA don't have a fucking clue what is actually going to happen. I certainly remember a lot of talk about the Celtics having a 2-3 yr window to win a championship which seemed perfectly reasonable to me at the time, and perfectly reasonable even in hindsight. But anybody who guaranteed a win, or worse a dynasty, was talking out of their ass.

To bring this back to Miami, they still have to fill out that roster somehow, and the indications are that they're pretty much done in terms of decent additions (with Haslem and Miller). To say that this somehow makes the NBA less compelling next year doesn't make any sense to me. If they win this season, it will be tough. They could well dominate next season, and after a few seasons of that, yeah, it might get old. But that's a long way off and a lot could go wrong for them, and a lot go right for other teams like the Lakers, the Magic and the Thunder. So why not see the glass as half-full in the meantime?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 12, 2010, 11:52:00 PM
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All of those factors just show you that people who try to make long-term predictions about the NBA don't have a fucking clue what is actually going to happen. I certainly remember a lot of talk about the Celtics having a 2-3 yr window to win a championship which seemed perfectly reasonable to me at the time, and perfectly reasonable even in hindsight. But anybody who guaranteed a win, or worse a dynasty, was talking out of their ass.


Well, I agree with you now: They had a two to three window to compete for championships. That's all.

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So why not see the glass as half-full in the meantime?

I'm thinking that a lot of you in this thread aren't going nuts like I have the last page or two because you aren't sold on Bosh. That's all I can think of.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 13, 2010, 12:00:01 AM
The only negative thing you can say about Bosh is that the mass media reports of him as a 'superstar' are overrating him, and that there is going to be some kind of a backlash. No, he's not as good as LeBron. Neither is Wade. It's something like LeBron>Wade>>>Bosh, but obviously considering their individual abilities is less important than the synergies. LeBron and Wade have a big man who can draw opposing bigs out of the paint (unless you count Big Z, who could certainly do that but absolutely nothing else). So I think Bosh is going to look really really good in that system, and we're going to see lots of articles with openers like 'On this night, it was the least heralded of the so-called Big 3 who ....'

And then he'll get over-rated again and people will start knocking him again. It's a cycle.

But you're still completely off-base about my view of this. I don't know why you're not getting the fact that people can find this exciting even though they can see the domination coming. Maybe you're just too wrapped up in rooting for your home team or something.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 13, 2010, 12:06:07 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 13, 2010, 12:00:01 AM
Maybe you're just too wrapped up in rooting for your home team or something.

Ahh-bingo. I'm a Mavericks fan; don't expect me to be dispassionate and rational here.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 13, 2010, 12:08:14 AM
On the other hand, they weren't getting past the first-round anyway.

Time to create an NHL thread?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 13, 2010, 12:12:28 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 13, 2010, 12:00:01 AM
But you're still completely off-base about my view of this. I don't know why you're not getting the fact that people can find this exciting even though they can see the domination coming. Maybe you're just too wrapped up in rooting for your home team or something.

I think we all remember the bulls Jordan years and how they dominated. And we all knew they were going to dominate. And we all stopped watching the NBA because they dominated.


Oh wait that didn't happen...
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 13, 2010, 12:14:28 AM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 13, 2010, 12:06:07 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 13, 2010, 12:00:01 AM
Maybe you're just too wrapped up in rooting for your home team or something.

Ahh-bingo. I'm a Mavericks fan; don't expect me to be dispassionate and rational here.

Choosing the right team to root for.  :bow2

:smug
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 13, 2010, 12:15:59 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 13, 2010, 12:12:28 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 13, 2010, 12:00:01 AM
But you're still completely off-base about my view of this. I don't know why you're not getting the fact that people can find this exciting even though they can see the domination coming. Maybe you're just too wrapped up in rooting for your home team or something.

I think we all remember the bulls Jordans years and how they dominated. And we all knew they were going to dominate. And we all stopped watching the NBA.


Oh wait that didn't happen...

Man, remember the time I said TV viewership would be down this season?

Oh wait that didn't happen. . . .
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 13, 2010, 12:17:04 AM
But you personally won't be watching because you can't stand domination since you know the Heat are going to break the single season record for wins and then stroll to a title. And not just one. Multiple ones.


Guaranteed


Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 13, 2010, 12:19:34 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 13, 2010, 12:17:04 AM
But you personally won't be watching because you can't stand domination since you know the Heat are going to break the single season record for wins and then stroll to a title.



I've never confused my own views for everyone else's.

Anyway, I'll watch, just not as often. I watched 95% of the mavericks games last season, now I just can't see the point.
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Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 13, 2010, 01:05:41 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 13, 2010, 12:12:28 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 13, 2010, 12:00:01 AM
But you're still completely off-base about my view of this. I don't know why you're not getting the fact that people can find this exciting even though they can see the domination coming. Maybe you're just too wrapped up in rooting for your home team or something.

I think we all remember the bulls Jordan years and how they dominated. And we all knew they were going to dominate. And we all stopped watching the NBA because they dominated.

Oh wait that didn't happen...


Right - if there had been no drama, no-one would have watched. This Miami thing is going to tap into a whole 'nother audience, that goes beyond the traditional Bill Simmons-reading, John Hollinger-quoting NBA fandom, and of course nerdlingers are going to be upset at the usurpation of their domain, and rend their clothes in despair while talking about the glory days of Spurs-Cavs, or Nets-Spurs in the finals.

The true purists, of course, love basketball most when it's being played the best, and the most competitively, but recognize that those two may be mutually exclusive in many cases. So we take what we can get, and enjoy it for what it is, knowing that all things must pass and that next year's draft could upend the apple cart all over again anyway.

So, pick your position. The hate bandwagon is over there, the love bandwagon is over HERE :lol


Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Mandark on July 13, 2010, 03:11:36 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 12, 2010, 07:47:18 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. link=topic=34662.msg1168657#msg1168657
As a basketball fan, you wouldn't have a problem with my absurd line-up. The team would win most games by at least 20 points. Where's the competitive balance?  What the point of watching? Wouldn't their championship be worthless?

First we speaking in theoretical terms. I don't think that lineup will come to pass. I'm more saying if it does then so be it theoretically.

Malek with the real talk, Stoney with the indecipherable jibba jabba.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: etiolate on July 13, 2010, 05:21:33 AM
It is very possible you won't see great basketball on the Miami Heat. The three stars are high on FTAs. You could see a lot of drive into the lane and flail ball.  Which is what goes for high level basketball in the NBA these days.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 13, 2010, 09:11:44 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 13, 2010, 03:11:36 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 12, 2010, 07:47:18 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. link=topic=34662.msg1168657#msg1168657
As a basketball fan, you wouldn't have a problem with my absurd line-up. The team would win most games by at least 20 points. Where's the competitive balance?  What the point of watching? Wouldn't their championship be worthless?

First we speaking in theoretical terms. I don't think that lineup will come to pass. I'm more saying if it does then so be it theoretically.

Malek with the real talk, Stoney with the indecipherable jibba jabba.
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You broke my heart Mandark.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 13, 2010, 09:14:01 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 13, 2010, 09:11:44 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 13, 2010, 03:11:36 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 12, 2010, 07:47:18 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. link=topic=34662.msg1168657#msg1168657
As a basketball fan, you wouldn't have a problem with my absurd line-up. The team would win most games by at least 20 points. Where's the competitive balance?  What the point of watching? Wouldn't their championship be worthless?

First we speaking in theoretical terms. I don't think that lineup will come to pass. I'm more saying if it does then so be it theoretically.

Malek with the real talk, Stoney with the indecipherable jibba jabba.
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You broke my heart Mandark.

With his racism?  Yeah, even I'm shocked that Mandark would refer to a black man speaking as "indecipherable jibba jabba". 
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 13, 2010, 09:15:55 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on July 13, 2010, 09:14:01 AM
With his racism?  Yeah, even I'm shocked that Mandark would refer to a black man speaking as "indecipherable jibba jabba". 

That too! Stop being racist Mandark!!


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Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 13, 2010, 09:24:26 AM
Quote from: etiolate on July 13, 2010, 05:21:33 AM
It is very possible you won't see great basketball on the Miami Heat. The three stars are high on FTAs. You could see a lot of drive into the lane and flail ball.  Which is what goes for high level basketball in the NBA these days.

Hey, have fun watching Tyreke Evans!
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread of Luis Scola & Zydrunas Ilgauskas sweepstakes
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 13, 2010, 09:41:04 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 13, 2010, 01:05:41 AM
Right - if there had been no drama, no-one would have watched.
I never thought that the Bulls were destined to win each year. Hindsight being what it is, maybe I should have. But going into each season, I didn't have the expectation that, barring an injury, the Bulls would almost assuredly win. I do, however, feel this way about the Heat.

Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 13, 2010, 01:05:41 AM
Right - if there had been no drama, no-one would have watched. This Miami thing is going to tap into a whole 'nother audience, that goes beyond the traditional Bill Simmons-reading, John Hollinger-quoting NBA fandom, and of course nerdlingers are going to be upset at the usurpation of their domain, and rend their clothes in despair while talking about the glory days of Spurs-Cavs, or Nets-Spurs in the finals.
I have no doubt that a lot of people will follow the spectacle, and many others will magically become lifelong Heat fans. I just won't like it. It's fun watching Usain Bolt dominate a field of sprinters, but I only have to watch for 9.6 seconds. To sustain my interest over a full season of basketball, I need to believe that there's some actual competition, that the Heat, when healthy, might actually lose a seven-game series. I just don't have that.

Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 13, 2010, 01:05:41 AM
The true purists, of course, love basketball most when it's being played the best, and the most competitively, but recognize that those two may be mutually exclusive in many cases. So we take what we can get, and enjoy it for what it is, knowing that all things must pass and that next year's draft could upend the apple cart all over again anyway.

So, pick your position. The hate bandwagon is over there, the love bandwagon is over HERE :lol
It usually takes a drafted player several years to develop and several more for him to be surrounded by adequate talent. Anyway, LeBron is a generational talent that isn't available in most drafts.

Yes, well, I've picked my bandwagon.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 13, 2010, 09:42:40 AM
Quote from: Wrath2X on July 13, 2010, 09:37:17 AM
I say Miami won't win the championship, they might reach the eastern conference championship but that's it. I'm talking about their first season of course.

Agreed. Eventually they're going to win, they have six years to win something. Maybe they get 3 championships when all is said and done. But not this upcoming season

edit: them "only" getting three titles would make Kobe fans even more unbearable  :lol
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 13, 2010, 09:50:13 AM
LeBron James made it the Finals as a 22-year-old when the second best player on his team was Ilgauskas and the third best was Drew fucking Gooden. Yet he can't take a team with Wade, Bosh, and Miller to the Finals this season? Please tell me why not? Don't say "chemistry" or I'll punch you through your computer monitor.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 13, 2010, 09:52:02 AM
As far as winning the title the first season I'm not sure although I certainly think they have as good a chance as anybody if not more.

People keep talking about depth and I just don't believe that will be the issue. The issue will be how Lebron and Wade co-exist in this offense and how they handle some of the junk defenses that will be thrown at them. It will be a period of adjustment.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 13, 2010, 09:58:21 AM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 13, 2010, 09:50:13 AM
LeBron James made it the Finals as a 22-year-old when the second best player on his team was Ilgauskas and the third best was Drew fucking Gooden. Yet he can't take a team with Wade, Bosh, and Miller to the Finals this season? Please tell me why not? Don't say "chemistry" or I'll punch you through your computer monitor.

Chemistry

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Explain to me how they're better than the Lakers. The Miller thing is not a done deal. We don't know how LeBron and Wade will mesh, especially as the stakes get higher.

In terms of the eastern conference, how do they stop Dwight Howard? Chicago has the depth to give them fits.
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Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 13, 2010, 10:17:52 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 13, 2010, 09:58:21 AM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 13, 2010, 09:50:13 AM
LeBron James made it the Finals as a 22-year-old when the second best player on his team was Ilgauskas and the third best was Drew fucking Gooden. Yet he can't take a team with Wade, Bosh, and Miller to the Finals this season? Please tell me why not? Don't say "chemistry" or I'll punch you through your computer monitor.

Chemistry

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Explain to me how they're better than the Lakers. The Miller thing is not a done deal. We don't know how LeBron and Wade will mesh, especially as the stakes get higher.

In terms of the eastern conference, how do they stop Dwight Howard? Chicago has the depth to give them fits.
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Miller is more or less a done deal.

The Lakers (first of all, Wrath said the Heat won't get past the Eastern conference Finals, and you agreed)? Kobe and Gasol are pretty much canceled out by Wade and Gasol. Who on the Lakers is close to LeBron? Odom and Artest? They're both nice complementary pieces, but they don't equal James. Andrew Bynum is a wildcard if he continues to develop and actually manages to stay healthy, which he has shown an inability to do. No one on the Lakers can shoot like Miller.

They won't stop Dwight Howard, but the Magic won't stop LeBron, Wade, and Bosh. The amount of damage Howard can do is limited compared to the amount of damage they can do together. His great weak-side defense can't stop three superstars.

Look, LeBron, Wade, and Bosh have all produced very efficiently despite constant double and triple-teams. NBA teams just can't double each one anymore, and if they do, Miller, who shot 48% from three last season, will fucking kill them.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Beezy on July 13, 2010, 10:27:12 AM
I like him, but Dwight Howard is overrated...
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 13, 2010, 10:28:26 AM
Heat have Haslem and Miller and DEREK FISHER and anyone else that wants a ring. Shaq? C'mon down!
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 13, 2010, 10:29:43 AM
Fisher turned them down.

Kobe Love.  :hump
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 13, 2010, 10:33:43 AM
He was worthless anyway, now the Heat will have their revenge on him! :punch
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on July 13, 2010, 10:38:01 AM
Giant royal penis? It's official, folks, Dan LeBetard lurks at The Bore. :hyper
[youtube=560,345]xZr2qOXQJ4w[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 13, 2010, 10:39:28 AM
Dan LeBetard  :-X
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 13, 2010, 10:43:09 AM
Playing the Magic isn't about stopping Howard; it's about playing him without double-teaming. Once you double-team, the rest of the squad kills you from the perimeter. The Celtics' ability to single-team him effectively shut down the whole team, since almost nobody else can get quality shots on their own. If you have Bosh and Haslem (say) doubling Howard, the rest of the team is going to shoot a crazy high percentage.

On the other hand, if you single team him with a weak defender, he'll get every rebound, block every shot and shoot over 60%. Elite centers are just harder to deal with than elite 2 guards and wing players.

Having said that, I still wouldn't pick the Magic over the Heat at this early stage. But I don't how much money I'd put on the outcome either.

Fisher was smart to turn the Heat down; he'll be part of the Laker organization for life, unless he gets a head coaching gig elsewhere. That's way more valuable than a few years of extra dollars.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 13, 2010, 10:48:13 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 13, 2010, 10:43:09 AM
Playing the Magic isn't about stopping Howard; it's about playing him without double-teaming. Once you double-team, the rest of the squad kills you from the perimeter. The Celtics' ability to single-team him effectively shut down the whole team, since almost nobody else can get quality shots on their own. If you have Bosh and Haslem (say) doubling Howard, the rest of the team is going to shoot a crazy high percentage.

On the other hand, if you single team him with a weak defender, he'll get every rebound, block every shot and shoot over 60%. Elite centers are just harder to deal with than elite 2 guards and wing players.

Having said that, I still wouldn't pick the Magic over the Heat at this early stage. But I don't how much money I'd put on the outcome either.

Fisher was smart to turn the Heat down; he'll be part of the Laker organization for life, unless he gets a head coaching gig elsewhere. That's way more valuable than a few years of extra dollars.

Quote from: Derek Fisher
I listened to every coach, every general manager, even potential teammates in order to make the right decision and I thank every one of them. At the end of the day, there's one person I could not turn away from. Kobe Bryant asked me to stay but supported whatever decision I made. He and I have played together for 11 seasons, came into the league together as kids, and has been loyal to me even when others had doubts.

 :hump

He can't quit Kobe!
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 13, 2010, 10:50:31 AM
Derek, you have chosen... poorly.

(http://www.andrewbostom.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/grailknight.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on July 13, 2010, 11:56:25 AM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 13, 2010, 10:39:28 AM
Dan LeBetard  :-X
GIANT ROYAL PENIS.  :-*
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 13, 2010, 01:29:13 PM
The Celtics are old and busted.  They got through two very poorly coached teams and one Dwayne Wade and Fools team.  The Lakers were going to win that series no matter how poorly Kobe played (ie: he played poorly).

Kobe the best player in the league  :lol

Here's how I see it.

The Heat have a good record, but not the best in the league (I'd say the Magic come up with that title).  Once they reach the playoffs though, who could possibly stand in their way?  The Hawks probably won't even make the playoffs again, the Cavs are for sure out of it, the Bulls are still a young team that needs developed.  All that stands in their way are the Celtics and the Magic, and

a) the Celtics big three are finely assfucked by the Heat's big three
b) the Magic will have to rely pretty much solely on Howard, who can't give his team 40 point games.

The Heat are by FAR the favorites to win the East next year.  Their real test will be whoever the West throws up to them, I'd say probably the Mavs or the Lakers.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 13, 2010, 01:31:19 PM
Quote from: Wrath2X on July 13, 2010, 01:21:08 PM
Kobe is probably the best player in the league

This is where I stop reading
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 13, 2010, 01:33:56 PM
Best player in the league is in Oklahoma. :patel
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 13, 2010, 01:35:47 PM
Cormacaroni, there isn't one single way to defend Howard. Without the right personnel, teams have to give him a variety of looks, including delayed-double teams. Anyway, the Magic's success in the postseason is less about Howard's ability to beat double teams and more about the Magic's ability to defend and hold teams under 90 points.

The Heat will be burned if they double Howard; the Magic will be burned far worse when they try to double one of Bosh, Wade, or LeBron.
Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 13, 2010, 01:33:56 PM
Best player in the league is in Oklahoma. :patel
What's Dirk doing in Oklahoma today?  :dur
 
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 13, 2010, 02:36:07 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 13, 2010, 10:17:52 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 13, 2010, 09:58:21 AM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on July 13, 2010, 09:50:13 AM
LeBron James made it the Finals as a 22-year-old when the second best player on his team was Ilgauskas and the third best was Drew fucking Gooden. Yet he can't take a team with Wade, Bosh, and Miller to the Finals this season? Please tell me why not? Don't say "chemistry" or I'll punch you through your computer monitor.

Chemistry

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Explain to me how they're better than the Lakers. The Miller thing is not a done deal. We don't know how LeBron and Wade will mesh, especially as the stakes get higher.

In terms of the eastern conference, how do they stop Dwight Howard? Chicago has the depth to give them fits.
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Miller is more or less a done deal.

The Lakers (first of all, Wrath said the Heat won't get past the Eastern conference Finals, and you agreed)? Kobe and Gasol are pretty much canceled out by Wade and Gasol. Who on the Lakers is close to LeBron? Odom and Artest? They're both nice complementary pieces, but they don't equal James. Andrew Bynum is a wildcard if he continues to develop and actually manages to stay healthy, which he has shown an inability to do. No one on the Lakers can shoot like Miller.

They won't stop Dwight Howard, but the Magic won't stop LeBron, Wade, and Bosh. The amount of damage Howard can do is limited compared to the amount of damage they can do together. His great weak-side defense can't stop three superstars.

Look, LeBron, Wade, and Bosh have all produced very efficiently despite constant double and triple-teams. NBA teams just can't double each one anymore, and if they do, Miller, who shot 48% from three last season, will fucking kill them.

We'll see. Lakers are considerably deeper as of right now. If (and it's a big if) Bynum is healthy throughout the playoffs and makes some leaps in his skill set, the Heat would be fucked.

Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 13, 2010, 04:12:13 PM
Ilgauskus goes to the Heat as well  :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 13, 2010, 04:15:48 PM
Fucking joke
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 13, 2010, 04:16:20 PM
This is like when everyone knew it would be Nadal vs Federer in Grand Slam finals.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 13, 2010, 04:21:22 PM
Cleveland may as well just kill themselves now
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 13, 2010, 04:38:01 PM
Fucking Ilgauskas!

What an ingrate!!

or something like that Imagine that insane owner saying.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 13, 2010, 07:41:13 PM
Mike Miller, Haslem, Big Z, etc. :lol

I AM AFRAID THIS NBA TEAM WILL BE QUITE OPERATIONAL WHEN YOUR FRIENDS ARRIVE
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 13, 2010, 07:50:11 PM
This just in, after Kobe Bryant and Raja Bell's meeting, they both decide to sign with the Heat.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 13, 2010, 07:54:32 PM
We know what NBA players want.  :smug

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Apparently cheeseburgers!   :-X


(http://www.nba.com/heat/photos/520_maria_100712.jpg)

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Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 13, 2010, 08:02:05 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on July 13, 2010, 07:54:32 PM
We know what NBA players want.  :smug

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Dirk Nowitzki's ex-fiancee already taught us that:
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Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 13, 2010, 08:04:09 PM
:rofl

The difference is that Dirk was actually going to marry that.  What a dummy.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 13, 2010, 08:05:46 PM

He is a dummy--he re-signed with Dallas.

The Heat could have used another bench player.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 13, 2010, 08:15:29 PM
I don't think Brand New is watching the same NBA I am, wow.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 13, 2010, 08:25:27 PM
Is Kobe's No. 1 jock sniffer trying to imply that the Heat are filthy communists?  ::)

Riley's reign has shades of Red


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=adande_ja&page=Riley-100713
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Bocsius on July 13, 2010, 08:35:46 PM
Ti  take the thread back a couple of pages, Jordan played with top-50-all-timer Scottie Pippen, greatest rebounder of his time Dennis Rodman, and the European Jordan, the Sensation of the Croatian Nation, the Solid Rock of the Eastern Block, Toni Kukoc. And he was coached by 13 time NBA champion (2 as a player) Big Chief Triangle.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 13, 2010, 10:21:32 PM
Quote from: Bocsius on July 13, 2010, 08:35:46 PM
Ti  take the thread back a couple of pages, Jordan played with top-50-all-timer Scottie Pippen, greatest rebounder of his time Dennis Rodman, and the European Jordan, the Sensation of the Croatian Nation, the Solid Rock of the Eastern Block, Toni Kukoc. And he was coached by 13 time NBA champion (2 as a player) Big Chief Triangle.

Is anyone in the galaxy unaware of this?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 13, 2010, 10:25:16 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 13, 2010, 08:15:29 PM
I don't think Brand New is watching the same NBA I am, wow.

You just weren't watching hard enough.  :patel
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Bocsius on July 13, 2010, 10:28:35 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 13, 2010, 10:21:32 PM
Is anyone in the galaxy unaware of this?

It was actually to join the "Magic had Kareem and other all-stars" and "Bird had the Chief and McHale" defense of Lebron joining Wade. Carry on.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 13, 2010, 11:42:48 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 13, 2010, 10:25:16 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 13, 2010, 08:15:29 PM
I don't think Brand New is watching the same NBA I am, wow.

You just weren't watching hard enough.  :patel

If you don't understand how good the Celtics were this year, you don't know shit about basketball, sorry. They lost in game 7, on the road, with their starting center on the bench, and were winning for most of the game until the Lakers' big man keyed a rally. They got sent half of freakin' Team USA home for early baths on the way by playing some of the finest team defense that we've ever seen. They are undeniably old but they were undeniably the 2nd best team in the world. Unless you think losing Tony Allen is going to cripple them, you'd be a fool to think they won't be a major threat next season as well.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 13, 2010, 11:48:38 PM
Where did I say they wouldn't be a major threat  ???

I just think they don't match up with this new Heat team.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 13, 2010, 11:53:41 PM
'The Celtics are old and busted.  They got through two very poorly coached teams and one Dwayne Wade and Fools team.  '

Come on, they got through a 66 Cavs team who had the MVP and the Magic, coached by a former coach of the year.

You could write something similar about the Lakers' route to the Finals if you wanted to, it wouldn't change the fact that they got there.

And how don't they match up with the Heat? The Celtics have demonstrated their ability to guard all of those guys. Obviously it'll be a lot tougher guarding all of them at once but there's still only only ball on the court at any given time.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 14, 2010, 12:17:21 AM
I just can't imagine how the Celtics big three can match up with the Heat's big three now.  They lack the youth, they lack the health, and they lack the overall talent stacked up to the other three.

And I'm sorry, Mike Brown could be given a thousand CotY awards, he's still terrible.  LeBron and his picks for assistant coaches were the real winners of the award.  Brown was and always has been a terrible adjustment coach, who's gameplan usually just came down to "feed it to lebron lol."  When LeBron couldn't get help from his team or was playing poorly himself, Brown's weakness showed pretty clearly.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 14, 2010, 12:25:53 AM
They don't have to match up with the Big 3. If it was all about matching up with other superstars, the Celtics would never have gotten to the Finals, duh. And Rasheed's Pistons would never have beaten the Lakers with Shaq, Kobe, Karl Malone and Gary Payton. The playoffs are won with defense. It's a cliche because it's true! The Heat **should** be able to play great defense but there is no guarantee.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: etiolate on July 14, 2010, 12:40:10 AM
You need inside presence to have that great defense, which I don't see the Heat having yet.


BUT SPEAKING OF PRESENCE INSIDE

(http://media.sacbee.com/smedia/2010/06/24/19/NBADraftBasketball.standalone.prod_affiliate.4.jpg)

DMC turning out to be more than just brute strength.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 14, 2010, 12:41:26 AM
Playing great defense in the NBA has more to do with getting the refs' respect than anything else.  My team should have no problem with that next year. 
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 14, 2010, 01:23:52 AM
Man, the bitterness between long-term Heat fan Smooth Groove and long-term Laker fan Wrath2X is gonna be something to see next year when their teams meet up in the Finals. Yessirree, those guys are gonna be tough to be around!
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 14, 2010, 01:32:48 AM
Heat could be a damn good defensive team.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5377209

Kinda odd seeing LeBron as a wingman during an interview. Wade is clearly the grown up  :lol


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Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: etiolate on July 15, 2010, 01:51:10 AM
http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2010/07/14/kahn_intv.nba/index.html

This was awkward/hilarious live. CWebb had been taking jabs at the Wolves before Kahn came on. He let David talk, then began the choice quotes.

Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 15, 2010, 02:01:21 AM
Quote from: etiolate on July 15, 2010, 01:51:10 AM
http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2010/07/14/kahn_intv.nba/index.html

This was awkward/hilarious live. CWebb had been taking jabs at the Wolves before Kahn came on. He let David talk, then began the choice quotes.

Chris Webber just needs to understand that it's not about wins and losses, it's about how upgraded your weight room and player lounge is. And no matter how he plays on the court, I bet Darko eats breakfast like a champ before every practice.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: etiolate on July 15, 2010, 02:37:53 AM
He just hasn't seen the way Darko passes the syrup during breakfast.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: OptimoPeach on July 24, 2010, 01:43:14 PM
I just saw that the Lakers signed Matt Barnes. What a traitor. My cousin actually played with him in high school
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 04, 2010, 01:24:12 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/news/story?id=5436289
 :lol

Boy boston is really going for an over the hill approach hard.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 04, 2010, 07:57:34 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on August 04, 2010, 01:24:12 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/news/story?id=5436289
 :lol

Boy boston is really going for an over the hill approach hard.

All easily reversed in 2 yrs though; KG, Ray, and Shaq will all be off the books and they can rebuild around Rondo. I don't think there are any young guys out there that could help them as much as Shaq for that money anyway.

As I maintained, they may be individually past their best other than Rondo, but the whole still adds up to something that took the Lakers within a hair of a championship just 2 months ago. I still think they're at least a top 4 team.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 04, 2010, 08:59:16 PM
Might as well charge Miami with elderly abuse in the first degree...right now. They're going to run all over Boston  :lol
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 14, 2010, 02:10:13 AM
HOF speeches
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5463135&categoryid=2459788

Malone is one of my favorite players of all time, great seeing him get in. Real classy guy, and I'm glad I had the chance to meet him.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Mandark on August 14, 2010, 03:32:29 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 14, 2010, 02:10:13 AM
Malone is one of my favorite players of all time, great seeing him get in. Real classy guy, and I'm glad I had the chance to meet him.

Malone knocked up a 13 year old when he was 20, before going on to an illustrious career of hunting little Mexican girls.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 14, 2010, 03:45:28 AM
I'm not here to speculate on the moral lapses of a man who won golden medals in service to his country
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Mandark on August 19, 2010, 12:24:10 AM
How do you know when your team's management is incompetent?

When you can't sign rookies (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5472219) whose salaries are pre-determined by a formula.  Good jon Memphis.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 19, 2010, 12:37:15 AM
I thought the answer was "when you draft Hasheem Thabeet with the second overall pick in the NBA draft"
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 19, 2010, 01:30:30 AM
Quote from: Mandark on August 19, 2010, 12:24:10 AM
How do you know when your team's management is incompetent?

When you can't sign rookies (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5472219) whose salaries are pre-determined by a formula.  Good jon Memphis.

Well, it says right there in the article that 20% of it is negotiable (somewhat of a simplification but still). They're haggling over the part that isn't guaranteed. 20% is about as much as anyone can usually expect to negotiate of their salary so it doesn't seem that shocking to me that occasionally there would be negotiation breakdowns. And of course, we may not be privy to the real issues (i.e. he doesn't want to play there, or they were planning to trade him but it fell through and now they're stuck with his contract...etc)
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 12, 2010, 04:26:23 PM
Durant had a pretty kick ass FIBA tournament.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 13, 2010, 01:43:26 PM
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PHILADELPHIA -- Unwanted by the NBA, Allen Iverson is considering playing in China.


Gary Moore, Iverson's personal manager, says Iverson has not been contacted by any NBA team with training camps set to open in less than two weeks. Moore says there is "legitimate interest" between Iverson and a team in China to work out a deal. Moore did not know the team's name.

Moore says a Chinese team first approached the 35-year-old Iverson last month.

Iverson is 17th on the NBA's career scoring list with 24,368 points over a 14-year career with Philadelphia, Denver, Detroit and Memphis. He won the MVP in 2001 when he led the Sixers to the finals. Iverson's agent, Leon Rose, did not immediately return messages for comment on Monday.

 :rofl


Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 13, 2010, 01:50:23 PM
Good. What a piece of shit. He probably could have played in the NBA for another 1-2 years if he had simply turned into a bench player.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 13, 2010, 01:52:19 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 13, 2010, 01:50:23 PM
Good. What a piece of shit. He probably could have played in the NBA for another 1-2 years if he had simply turned into a bench player.

Some players age gracefully and accept the decline of their skills. It's always been pretty obvious that Iverson wasn't going to be one of those guys.

Then again I think he also could be doing it for the money. He legit will probably make a lot more playing over-seas somewhere coasting on his name than he would in the NBA at this stage.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 13, 2010, 01:56:14 PM
Makes sense considering he's close to bankruptcy
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 13, 2010, 02:46:01 PM
Kevin Durant :rock
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 24, 2010, 07:40:19 PM
Quote
The Denver Nuggets went into the weekend determined to complete an ambitious four-team megatrade that would land All-Star forward Carmelo Anthony with the New Jersey Nets, according to sources with knowledge of the negotiations.

The proposed deal, as ESPN.com reported earlier Friday, would also involve Utah and Charlotte and is poised to deliver prized Nets rookie Derrick Favors, Jazz veteran Andrei Kirilenko and multiple future first-round picks to Denver in exchange for their franchise player.


Anthony
Sources told ESPN.com that the deal, which has yet to be finalized, would send former All-Star point guard Devin Harris to Charlotte, with Bobcats forward Boris Diaw moving to Utah. The Bergen Record reported Friday afternoon that the Nets would also receive Bobcats guard D.J. Augustin, with New Jersey's Jarvis Hayes accompanying Harris to Charlotte, Nets swingman Quinton Ross going to Utah and Denver landing a 1-to-7 protected first-round pick in 2012 that New Jersey received from Golden State.

The four teams are "seriously engaged" after negotiations progressed well Thursday and Friday, according to two sources close to the talks. If final hurdles are cleared, Anthony's uncertain future -- which has dominated discussion throughout the league since mid-August -- could be unexpectedly resolved before the Nuggets hold their first practice of the new season.

The trade's completion, though, hinges on Anthony's willingness to sign an extension with the Nets as part of the deal, as Kevin Garnett did to clinch the blockbuster trade that sent him from Minnesota to Boston in July 2007. One source with knowledge of New Jersey's thinking told ESPN.com that the Nets will not part with assets such as Favors (selected No. 3 overall in the June draft) and Harris (an All-Star in 2009) and go through with the trade unless Anthony commits to the extension, no matter how ready Denver is to pull the trigger.

Sources said negotiations were expected to continue through the weekend, with a target of completing the deal by Monday.

"It either happens by Monday," one source said, "or the deal falls apart."

One source close to Anthony told ESPN.com on Friday afternoon that the 26-year-old -- whose top two preferred destinations are New York and Chicago -- is warming to the idea of joining the Nets, whose planned move to Brooklyn in two years under Russian billionaire owner Mikhail Prokhorov is a strong lure, in addition the presence of center Brook Lopez, one of the league's top young big men.

Yet the source said Anthony is also hoping that the Knicks or the Bulls, realizing Anthony is on the brink of going elsewhere, make a last-ditch attempt over the weekend to join the bidding.

New York's lack of future draft picks to offer and Chicago's blanket refusal to make Joakim Noah available to the Nuggets in trade talks established the Nets as the front-runner to win the Anthony Sweepstakes. ESPN.com reported last Sunday that the Nuggets had begun telling teams for the first time that they were willing to make a deal before the start of the season.

Anthony has the ability to become a free agent at season's end, which is the hammer that has enabled his agent, Leon Rose, to apply such pressure to the Nuggets in hopes of forcing a trade before camps open Monday. The tension has been building since June, when the Nuggets believed that Anthony was on the verge of signing a three-year, $65 million contract extension, only for Anthony to pass.

Nuggets coach George Karl had been hoping that it was still possible to convince Anthony to reconsider his determination to be traded once he arrived in training camp and started hearing some pro-Denver voices after weeks of isolation from the organization. Sources said that the Nuggets were planning to mount one last campaign to get Anthony to sign the extension, with the promise that they would trade him closer to the February trading deadline if he continued to be unhappy.

But the Nuggets have signed off on the proposed deal and now await word from New Jersey about its ability to sell Anthony on the extension, which does hold significant appeal because it would enable Anthony to sign one more contract under the league's current collective bargaining agreement.

Word of the trade talks surfaced on Friday, hours after new coach Avery Johnson and players reported to camp and talked to the media about the upcoming season. The team's first practice is Saturday.

There have been talks about trades involving the Nets and Anthony in recent weeks and Johnson was asked about the rumors.

"All year you are going to hear stuff about not only our situation but every team. That's the way it goes," he said. "Every general manager, and you have 30 of them, they are always out looking to improve the ballclub and that's what they should do. If Billy was sitting up in his office looking at some political talk on television, because I heard he was a politics guy, I would be very disappointed. He is going to be always looking to improve our ball club."

Johnson said that he wants Harris to be the engine that runs the team and he noted that Favors shows the potential at 19-years-old that Tim Duncan and Garnett showed at the same age.

Johnson was concerned that trade talks might be a distraction for the players.

"They understand that is part of the game," he said. "It's a part of the business. There may be some things said about coach this year that is really inaccurate. That is a part of what we deal with. When you sign you name on contracts to be an NBA player or coach that's kind of the unwritten rule, the fine print you don't see. Your name is going to come up and something is going to be said. You have to deal with it."

Johnson refused to speculate on how many games the new-look Nets would win after winning only 12 last season.

"We're not making any promises except to say we're going to play hard and we'll see what happens on nights when our talent level is not as high as other teams."

New owner Mikhail Prokhorov has said the Nets will challenge for a playoff berth this season.

Johnson noted that statement was made before the free-agency period.

"You have to look at the context of when the statement was made," Johnson said. "Mikhail and I are on the same page. This is not going to blow up in smoke if that doesn't happen the first year."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5610989
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 24, 2010, 08:36:23 PM
What type of distinguished mentally-challenged fellow turns down a 3 year $60mil deal with a possible lockout season on the horizon
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 25, 2010, 11:07:27 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 24, 2010, 08:36:23 PM
What type of distinguished mentally-challenged fellow turns down a 3 year $60mil deal with a possible lockout season on the horizon

Any team that trades for him is gonna sign him to a similar extension, or no deal. So he won't lose out.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 11, 2010, 11:03:15 PM
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Manager: Allen Iverson has Turkish offer

Allen Iverson is poised for a revival -- in the Middle East.


Iverson
The one-season deal could net Iverson as much as $2 million, Yahoo! Sports has reported, citing unnamed sources.

"We are in very serious negotiations with [Besiktas]," Iverson's manager Gary Moore told Yahoo! Sports. "Istanbul is beautiful from everything we've learned. It's not that far from the U.S., and the competition is good, which makes it all attractive.

"Allen wants to play basketball."

One hangup in the agreement over the weekend had been Iverson's insistence on a limit for what the team can fine him, the Yahoo! Sports report says.

Iverson sought a cap of less than 1 percent of a $1.5 million salary for each fine, the report said, citing a European source. Iverson on Monday was sent a contract Besiktas was hoping to get signed by the end of the week.

But the deal was expected to take as long as 10 days to be completed, Yahoo! Sports reported.

Besiktas is among the top teams in Turkey's first division, which starts play this weekend.

But Besiktas has run into problems financially, Yahoo! Sports reported, citing Eurobasket.com. The team has recently been sued by American player Lonnie Baxter and his agent to recover salary and fees, according to the report.

Iverson had been considering playing in China, where there was "legitimate interest" between him and a team to work out a deal, Moore said last month.

Moore said then, with less than two weeks before NBA training camps opened, that Iverson had not been contacted by any NBA team.

"We're very astonished, to say the least, that not one team has contacted us with any interest," Moore said. "I just don't understand it."

Iverson played three games for Memphis last season before he returned for a second stint with the 76ers. He averaged 13.9 points for the Sixers before he took a leave of absence in March because of family issues.

In his prime, Iverson boasted top-selling jerseys and sneakers and was a global superstar. His popularity never waned even as his production dipped -- Iverson was voted an Eastern Conference All-Star starter last season. Iverson would be a drawing card overseas, ranking 17th on the NBA's career scoring list with 24,368 points over a 14-year career with Philadelphia, Denver, Detroit and Memphis. He won the MVP in 2001 when he led the Sixers to the NBA Finals.

Iverson was the No. 1 overall pick in the 1996 draft and spent his first 10 seasons in Philadelphia. He was a four-time scoring champion, averaged 26.7 points and never won a championship.

He was hobbled by an arthritic left knee and constantly needed it drained last season. Iverson also famously clashed with his coaches, notably Larry Brown, but returned to Philadelphia humbled, reserved and more accepting of team play.

Moore said last month Iverson is healthy and works out in Atlanta prepping for a comeback.

:rofl
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 12, 2010, 12:45:44 AM
What a fuck up. Could have extended his NBA career by being a dependable PG, starting or off the bench.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 17, 2010, 08:44:37 AM
Definitely worth a watch.

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hOst_NExGI[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on October 17, 2010, 03:22:26 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 12, 2010, 12:45:44 AM
What a fuck up. Could have extended his NBA career by being a dependable PG, starting or off the bench.

Which is exactly what he should be doing for my Bobcats.  Which is exactly what he is doing in my 2k11 season.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 17, 2010, 03:24:08 PM
Quote from: DJ_Tet on October 17, 2010, 03:22:26 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 12, 2010, 12:45:44 AM
What a fuck up. Could have extended his NBA career by being a dependable PG, starting or off the bench.

Which is exactly what he should be doing for my Bobcats.  Which is exactly what he is doing in my 2k11 season.

lol. I picked up Turkey Glue for the Magic in my NBA 2k11 season since the dumbass should have never left.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on October 17, 2010, 03:47:28 PM
Yeah it was shocking watching Hedo in Toronto.  Looked like he had aged a decade in a single off-season  :'(
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 20, 2010, 03:00:22 PM
http://www.athleticpropulsionlabs.com/

(http://www.popsci.com/files/imagecache/article_image_large/articles/Screen%20shot%202010-10-20%20at%2011.28.44%20AM.png)
 :bow2


http://www.popsci.com/gadgets/article/2010-10/nba-bans-spring-loaded-sneakers-giving-unfair-ups

Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 20, 2010, 03:04:00 PM
oh well, guess I won't be seeing Trady McGrady dunking at the Palace this year :fbm
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: etiolate on October 20, 2010, 03:47:05 PM
He's sucked the cartilage out of the building!
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 22, 2010, 09:30:37 AM
Holy crap, the new NBA International League Pass is soooo much better. It looks stunning now, 4 games viewable at once, DVR features etc. Not to mention being able to hear Marv Albert bitch at his production assistants because he seemingly thinks his mike is only live when the camera is pointing at him. And iPhone/iPad support coming soon too. SOLD.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 22, 2010, 04:10:09 PM
http://espnmediazone3.com/rs/?c=1943&k=97aa969f8a
http://www.examiner.com/comics-in-atlanta/marvel-espn-the-magazine-team-up


(http://i52.tinypic.com/2v1m06u.jpg)
(http://i52.tinypic.com/4res6p.jpg)
(http://i56.tinypic.com/9u23vd.jpg)
(http://i51.tinypic.com/11s1ikj.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA Off-season Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 23, 2010, 02:08:20 AM
(http://tinyurl.com/3s7gc7)
looks more like Xavier to me
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 26, 2010, 06:48:03 PM
Healt versus Celtics in like 15 minutes on TNT.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 26, 2010, 08:00:52 PM
Awful first quarter for the heat there.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 26, 2010, 08:11:55 PM
Ugly. Looks like the Heat don't have a real offense in place yet. I mean some of that is to be expected since they barely played together in the preseason but they look really bad right now. Like they aren't even running plays. Just settling for one on one play.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: bachikarn on October 26, 2010, 08:47:04 PM
Just saw the Heat score. wow
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Beezy on October 26, 2010, 08:56:16 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 26, 2010, 09:46:48 PM
they're coming back  :o
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Himu on October 26, 2010, 10:22:42 PM
lmao @ miami
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 26, 2010, 10:42:15 PM
Wade and Bosh both had shit games. Although I doubt that will happen a lot. They just need to play together more. It was painfully obvious there is no chemistry yet. It will take time to develop.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 26, 2010, 11:08:39 PM
box score looked like it was from a Cavs game two years ago  :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 26, 2010, 11:42:30 PM
Remember when Jeff Van Gundy said that the Heat would win 73+ games?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Beezy on October 26, 2010, 11:45:59 PM
I hope the Lakers lose tonight too.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 27, 2010, 12:05:08 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on October 26, 2010, 11:42:30 PM
Remember when Jeff Van Gundy said that the Heat would win 73+ games?

Well to be fair that is Jeff Van Gundy and everybody knows he's stupid.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2010, 12:14:34 AM
He also said if the Rockets stay healthy they can beat the Lakers
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Beezy on October 27, 2010, 12:17:21 AM
Quote from: Wrath2X on October 26, 2010, 11:54:09 PM
shut up beezy
:lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2010, 01:08:26 AM
heat scored the least amount of points out of all 3 games tonight :teehee
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 27, 2010, 01:19:40 AM
Really good game this was between the Lakers and the Rockets.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 27, 2010, 02:41:00 AM
Well, I guess we can pencil the Heat in for 0-82!

C'mon fools, they were playing another great team in the Celtics. One of the two was going to go down, resulting in a flood of kneejerk responses. It'll be a month or two before they click; LeBron was smart to lower expectations when he said it would be January before they were rolling, most likely.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: etiolate on October 27, 2010, 03:01:46 AM
The Heat need to prove they aren't going to get abused by every big man more so than they need to "gel".
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: WrikaWrek on October 27, 2010, 05:54:01 AM
At the start of the season people were saying Real Madrid was impossible to coach, full of hot air etc. 2 months later, and they are steam rolling teams.

I expect the same from Miami, start of the season is always hard for any "new" team, in any sport.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: pilonv1 on October 28, 2010, 08:25:03 AM
Warriors :rock
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 28, 2010, 01:45:41 PM
Quote from: Wrath2X on October 27, 2010, 09:39:49 PM
I'm not saying the Heat are going to lose every game, but people kept forgetting that the lakers and the celtics are still fucking good teams that had more time to get used the team dynamics and their style of play, and you have the Magic who are getting better and they are a good team too. The Heat will not win the championship this year, you can bet me on that. after that, who knows?

I think people also forget that the Thunder were 2 points away from taking the Lakers to game 7 in the first round.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 28, 2010, 02:03:06 PM
Quote from: Wrath2X on October 28, 2010, 01:56:43 PM
There are plenty of teams out there that can beat the heat, which is why its so annoying they were expected to steamroll the competition.

Only dummies or casuals are thinking this. Most professional "experts" still pick the Lakers to repeat. By the end of the season the Heat should be a darn good team. If they aren't then something has gone really wrong.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Himu on October 28, 2010, 02:04:35 PM
Rockets  8)

Lost, but still did a good game.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Himu on October 28, 2010, 02:06:56 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2010, 12:14:34 AM
He also said if the Rockets stay healthy they can beat the Lakers

Uh, why is this not feasible?

Two years ago, Houston gave the Lakers a run for their money...without their big main stars. We fought the Lakers with the goddamn BENCH and still pushed them to the edge.

And you're debating this.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: pilonv1 on October 28, 2010, 07:01:15 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 28, 2010, 02:04:35 PM
Rockets  8)

Lost, but still did a good game.

I hope Kevin Martin gets run over by a car. Worse than Paul Pierce
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 29, 2010, 08:40:42 PM
Miami looking a bit more cohesive against the Magic. Should be a great game.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2010, 09:04:49 PM
If every Heat game is going to have announcers spending 70% of the time talking about the summer/LeBron I'm gonna start listening to music or something. So tired of this shit, and I'm not even a LeBron hater.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 29, 2010, 09:48:52 PM
Chris Bosh has had absolutely no impact in any Miami game so far.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 29, 2010, 09:51:02 PM
in case anyone missed it btw, Jeff Van Gundy had probably the best one-liner you'll hear all season the other night during the Bulls-Thunder game:

Breen - Tom Thibodeau has to be wondering where the Bulls' offense is going to come from at this point.

Van Gundy - From Denver!

:rofl
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2010, 09:52:57 PM
That amazing LeBron pass to Bosh, who couldn't finish dunk while getting fouled, basically sums up Bosh this season.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 29, 2010, 09:54:09 PM
There was a funny bit earlier where it was Miami ball, and only Bosh and James were in the backcourt. Both of them kind of looked at the ball like 'I'm supposed to go get that? WTF'
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 29, 2010, 09:56:45 PM
Holy shit, that's a scary taste of the future right there. 14-0 out of the gate. Even if they never really come together the way everyone expects (I think Bill Simmons is right on the money when he says Wade needs to defer, but looks like he doesn't want to), they'll always be able to make terrifying runs like that.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2010, 10:01:55 PM
Dunno if Wade needs to defer. LeBron is so good at getting everyone involved he could really thrive setting everything up.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 29, 2010, 10:05:27 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2010, 10:01:55 PM
Dunno if Wade needs to defer. LeBron is so good at getting everyone involved he could really thrive setting everything up.

The problem I see is that Wade is also used to being the set-up guy. He's incredibly good at it but LeBron is the best, so he should be doing it most of the time, with Wade playing off the ball. You're right in that there is no reason that Wade shouldn't be able to get his points as usual, but he should be doing it with less touches.

If for no other reason - LeBron can see over the defense so much better, and his passing is far superior. He can do a half-court pass off his fingers like it's nothing, hitting someone perfectly in rhythm. Wade just can't do that as well.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 29, 2010, 10:07:12 PM
Officials just denied the Miami fans one hell of a highlight there. C'mon.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2010, 10:18:48 PM
Heat dominating damn
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 29, 2010, 11:06:34 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on October 29, 2010, 09:48:52 PM
Chris Bosh has had absolutely no impact in any Miami game so far.

He's talented but I always thought he was by far the least important part of this whole deal.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 30, 2010, 12:03:23 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 29, 2010, 11:06:34 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on October 29, 2010, 09:48:52 PM
Chris Bosh has had absolutely no impact in any Miami game so far.

He's talented but I always thought he was by far the least important part of this whole deal.

yeah, but that would be true of any 3rd signing this offseason unless his name was Dwight Howard or Chris Paul.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2010, 12:19:47 AM
Definitely gonna be interesting to see how the Heat stack up against the top eastern teams. I don't think Boston is going to make a habit out of beating the Heat, but it should be a good matchup. And I still kinda feel like Orlando SHOULD be the better overall team this year - but good lord tonight was a train wreck.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 30, 2010, 12:44:19 AM
Orlando will always have those nights where their shots just don't fall and Howard gets into foul trouble. They are just so efficient that they win almost every game in which those two things don't happen. Things would be very different if they had a single person that could get their own shot off the dribble. Vince still can to a degree but he's apparently grown entirely from some hybrid of glass and nerve endings - I have never seen a human being with so little resistance to pain.

The Heat will have PLENTY of nights where it looks like the 2009 Cavs when LeBron brings it up, and like the 2009 Heat when Wade brings it up, and they never really click as a result. I'm thinking it'll take 2-3 months before they really start to dominate, but they'll still be 2nd or 3rd in the East at that point no matter how bad it gets.

The West is so weird again - so many good-to-great teams but I still see nobody who can beat the Lakers in a 7 game series. I bet we see a really lackadaisical Laker team for the next couple months as a result, especially with Bynum and Kobe still hurt.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: etiolate on October 30, 2010, 10:18:36 PM
2-1 baby! Suck it Ohio!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Mandark on October 30, 2010, 10:40:05 PM
Orlando were on the road (in-state, granted) on the end of a back-to-back, so if they're going to lose big that would be the game.

I think we've been missing the point on Miami a bit.  When people talk about them gelling as a team, what they mean is on offense.  You don't have to share the ball on defense, and they've got the makings of a scary unit on that end.  They could probably use someone to defend quick PG's, but they could be an elite team even if their scoring efficiency is average.


PS When's Oden meant to be back?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2010, 01:50:17 AM
Late November for Oden. Also, looks like Portland won't offer him an extension before his contract expires

Quote
The Oregonian reported Friday that the Blazers and Oden's representatives agreed there would be no extension, making the oft-injured center the first top pick since Kwame Brown not to get one at the end of his rookie contract. Teams have until Monday to reach deals with first-round picks from the 2007 draft.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5746523

His career has been pretty sad. Really talented guy who could have really made Portland great if he could stay healthy.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on October 31, 2010, 01:58:43 AM
It is sad.  Especially knowing now exactly how good Al Horford and Joakim Noah are, it makes Oden's performance in the NC game that year even more amazing.  I know they didn't win but Oden had 25, 12 and 4 blocks.

My Bobcats are off to a disappointing 0-3 start, but DJ Augustin has kept playing strong ball from the pre-season, so that's encouraging. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Himu on October 31, 2010, 02:07:22 PM
Rockets lost again. Oh well. Here's to next game. They're not doing too well at the start but they're showing promise.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 31, 2010, 02:25:21 PM
The Heat are handling the nets so they'll be 3-1 after today. Time for sportswriters to jump on the bandwagon.


 :D
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2010, 09:58:55 PM
Kinda wish the Heat would just win all their games and sweep the playoffs at this point. The announcers at their games are completely unbearable, outside of Stan Van Gundy of course. I don't want to hear another word about The Decision, last summer, race, Jordan/Barkley, etc.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: ch1nchilla on November 01, 2010, 06:54:05 AM
:bow THUGGETS :bow

spoiler (click to show/hide)
this is probably the most in-depth post I will ever put in this thread :miyamoto
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Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 02, 2010, 11:09:52 PM
Lebron
7-12 FG
12 AST   
20 PTS


Wade
12-17   FG
26 PTS

MIA:129
MIN:97

 :bow2


Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2010, 10:38:43 PM
[youtube=560,345]NvgD9HNTMkM[/youtube]

Ouch
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Beezy on November 06, 2010, 11:01:57 PM
Cleveland is butthurt, but that Nike commercial was really annoying. Lebron and his people should've just let shit die down. I can't wait to hear the boos whenever the Heats play at Cleveland.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Beezy on November 09, 2010, 10:31:50 PM
How about them Heats? :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 09, 2010, 10:41:33 PM
Quote from: Beezy on November 09, 2010, 10:31:50 PM
How about them Heats? :lol

Sounded like a good game. Wish I could have seen it.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Bocsius on November 09, 2010, 11:15:25 PM
This is insane. Indiana beat Denver tonight, 144-113. They scored 54 points in the 3rd quarter. They made their first 20 field goals in the quarter, with their only miss being a 3 point shot coming with 1.9 seconds left! If dude would have just held the ball, they would have been perfect for the quarter.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 11, 2010, 10:06:52 PM
Celtics really have the Heat's number. Very early in the year obviously but not a good sign.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 11, 2010, 10:13:37 PM
should have joined the bulls nicca
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Bocsius on November 11, 2010, 11:33:03 PM
Way back on page 2 before this whole thing came together, I wasn't sold that putting the three of them together made them guaranteed favorites. Those three need to learn how to play together and you still need other players to carry some of the load. Now they've already dropped 4 games, 2 to the Celtics.

They might eventually be the best team in the east, but not right now.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 12, 2010, 09:48:59 AM
Way to go out on a limb there, Bocsius ;)

Let's not forget that the Celtics are an extraordinary assemblage of talent themselves. Losing to them doesn't exactly disprove the theory that superstar squads can win.

Rondo has been by far my favorite player to watch this year. He's so insanely DISRUPTIVE. No ball is safe around him. He makes plays that no-one else on the floor even thinks to try. Chris Paul is a step ahead of him in many respects but Rondo is a unique, mesmerizing talent. John Wall is quickly rising the ranks in terms of WTF plays as well. It's like some Golden Age of point guards right now. Blows my mind that the Lakers have gotten away with Derek Fisher for the past couple of years.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on November 12, 2010, 03:34:13 PM
Fuck the haters.  >:(
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 12, 2010, 04:36:22 PM
Quote from: Wrath2X on November 12, 2010, 12:02:38 PM
Rondo looks like a stereotypical black nerd, I loathe him.

Yeah, those horn-rimmed glasses! That scarf! Bet he smokes cock too!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Bocsius on November 12, 2010, 07:30:26 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on November 12, 2010, 09:48:59 AM
Way to go out on a limb there, Bocsius ;)

Well, sure, I wasn't alone. Many of us felt the Bulls were a better fit. But there were so many that annointed them as the best team around. ESPN as a whole is ridiculous in their coverage.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 13, 2010, 12:51:50 AM
Kevin Love scored 30 tonight and pulled down 30 rebounds. First time that has happened since 1982 when Moses Malone did it.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=301112016
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 13, 2010, 01:51:58 AM
12 offensive rebounds damn. Dude came to work

Also, an example of me being so far behind on NBA news: Darko players for Minn? Why does Joe Dumars still have a job.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: pilonv1 on November 13, 2010, 02:39:21 AM
Knicks are fucking terrible,
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 17, 2010, 03:26:07 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/17/eva-longoria-divorcing-to_n_784736.html


Tony Parker

 :bow2

Let a playa play.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 17, 2010, 03:32:53 PM
Most interesting news of the season so far
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 17, 2010, 07:59:26 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2--uG4QMlA0[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 17, 2010, 08:11:37 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 17, 2010, 07:59:26 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2--uG4QMlA0[/youtube]
:lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 17, 2010, 08:22:24 PM
Heat kicking the crap out of the Suns. Like a Bosh with 22 points in the first half.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 17, 2010, 10:14:22 PM
Shocking really. The Suns are such defensive stalwarts.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 18, 2010, 12:00:53 AM
Oden out for the season
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5819493

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 18, 2010, 12:06:10 AM
As the article mentions, he's the modern day Bowie.


Sad.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 18, 2010, 12:11:55 AM
yeah, poor guy. You can see the life being sucked out of him. Even Darko will probably see more NBA money than Oden does over his career now, not to mention way more minutes. Durant just adds salt to the wound.

Still, this is hardly a shock, the way the Blazers have been hunting for another big man despite already having Camby and Pryzbilla.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 18, 2010, 12:13:17 AM
Really sucks. He came in as a good defensive player/rebounder, but needed time to develop awareness and offensive moves. He's had no time to do it, and might not ever get that time. I wonder if the Pistons will take a chance on him; seems like the type of player Joe Dumars would pull the trigger on (and be wrong in the end).

As a Lions fan, the whole thing reminds me of what we're going through with Matt Stafford. #1 draft pick, multiple injuries, hasn't had time to develop etc; only difference is the massive amount of guarenteed money we owe this guy.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 18, 2010, 12:44:44 AM
I have to say, the Celtics look pretty effin' good to me. I haven't really watched the Magic, but the only team that could likely beat the Celtics in a series right now is the Lakers. They are deeper than they've ever been, and Perkins is still on the bench. Shaq, Marquis Daniels and Delonte West all look to be productive. Most importantly, Rondo is reaching new heights, KG is back to his 2008 self, and no-one else has dropped off appreciably. Still fun as hell to watch, too. They play both ends of the floor both hard and well, and rarely take a possession off. Plus, they have wildly entertaining wildcards in Big Baby and Nate Robinson. I've watched more Cs games than any other team so far this year by far.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 18, 2010, 01:09:31 AM
You know, Rondo can't shoot the 3, but he doesn't have to when he can just throw lobs all night long. It really hurt the Cs offense when KG lost his hops the last couple of years, but now it's a huge part of their playbook. It's next to unstoppable.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 25, 2010, 07:48:40 AM
Heat are really struggling.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=301124019
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 25, 2010, 10:01:55 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 25, 2010, 07:48:40 AM
Heat are really struggling.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=301124019

I'm sure they'll have things sorted out by the second half of the season, but watching them flounder right now is absolutely DELICIOUS.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 25, 2010, 11:34:41 AM
The Heat are actually getting worse, but they remain a good team, capable of stopping or scoring on anyone most of the time. They really are very thin, so the few injuries they've had are hurting them bad right now. The chemistry isn't there, but it doesn't really need to be for this team to be uber-successful (i.e. just the sum of the parts is still pretty fucking insane with this group). Basically, they alternate between being 2010 Cavs and 2010 Heat, depending on who is bringing up the ball. Bosh is invisible, and looks horribly scared at all times. He may well be just a giant gaping pussy - hard to tell 'cause he's never been to the playoffs, but it's looking that way right now. It's not like they have a lot to lose now in the regular season - they probably aren't going to get HCA throughout the playoffs no matter what. And the worst they'll finish now is probably 3rd in the East. They can afford to fuck around and work out the kinks a bit more before the games get serious.

OTOH, the Celtics and the Lakers are very well-balanced teams that look stronger all round than the Heat. If I had to guess, they'd be my picks for the Finals right now, with the Lakers winning again. Magic are very good but completely one-dimensional. Either the Celtics or Lakers could take away their whole offense pretty easily. My MVP so far is Chris Paul but they're not getting out of the West.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 25, 2010, 11:46:56 AM
I'm really surprised by how good the Spurs are looking right now. 13-1? 10 more points on average than they're opponents? It's insane. Did they even add any players over last year's team?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 25, 2010, 08:26:26 PM
Duncan, Manu and Parker are in godly shape, that's 90% of it. They have new guys (Tiago Splitter notably) but the Spurs are always a slow team to get used to. Most players don't start to figure out the system until their 2nd year. Jefferson is much improved as a result.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 25, 2010, 11:09:17 PM
So when does Riley take over?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 26, 2010, 12:41:35 AM
So hilarious when they cut to Riley in the stands, literally making notes in a pocketbook and muttering to his wife.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Bocsius on November 26, 2010, 12:43:26 AM
Did any of those guys get early opt-out clauses in their contracts? How soon is too soon to blow this up?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 26, 2010, 02:04:25 AM
Bosh could go in a mid-season trade, even.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 26, 2010, 02:08:24 AM
That would be hilarious
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 26, 2010, 02:13:25 AM
KG would be most disappointed at being unable to make him his bitch in the playoffs, but he'd get over it.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: ManaByte on November 26, 2010, 02:15:01 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJc_3fXivsY[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 29, 2010, 12:56:14 PM
Quote
Tracy McGrady told the New York Daily News that LeBron James would have been better off going to the Chicago Bulls, and the reason why the Miami Heat are struggling is because James and Dwyane Wade both command the ball.

"[Chicago] was a better decision, a better place for him," McGrady told the Daily News. "You can't just go somewhere and have that type of chemistry he had in Cleveland."

The Bulls courted James and Chris Bosh before they decided to join Wade in Miami.

McGrady worked out for the Bulls before signing a free-agent contract with the Detroit Pistons. McGrady said one of the reasons the Heat are off to a disappointing 9-8 start is the chemistry of James and Wade on the court.

"When they're on the court together, they're terrible," McGrady told the paper. "Him and D-Wade don't complement each other. They're somewhat the same type of players, 'Bron and D-Wade. ... Both of those guys need the ball, and they don't shoot the ball like Ray Allen. That's why they're having trouble scoring in the halfcourt, because they can't get a rhythm, because one of them is dominating the ball. That guy might be getting off, but the other guy [isn't].

"That's why when they're on the court together, they're terrible. They're rhythm players that need the ball. I'm like that. I can't stand out there and catch and shoot. I've never been a guy that sits out there waiting for the ball to come to me."
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5862624

Agreed 100%, and why I always thought Chicago was the best move. He'd have a good young PG, a all star quality big man (when healthy), nice bench, nice scrap players etc.

Also there's a report the players don't like Spoelstra. Can't wait until Riley takes over so LeBron can see what a tough coach really is.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 29, 2010, 01:23:06 PM
There is some truth to the idea that they both dominate the ball and so the other guy is left doing nothing. But I think a better coach could devise an offense where in actual plays and ball movement are created. Watching them right now its pretty clear that isn't the case. Still early of course but the offense in general still looks like shit. Compare that to something like the Lakers where you can see an actual offense in place. An offense isn't just letting Wade or Lebron hold the ball for 20 seconds and then either shoot or pass it at the last second. The ball movement is terrible in their offense currently.

I always thought the best case scenario for the Heat was sort of a Magic and James Worthy situation. But they are very far from that right now obviously.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: ch1nchilla on November 29, 2010, 09:21:13 PM
JR Smith is the future.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Mandark on November 29, 2010, 10:03:46 PM
Quote from: ch1nchilla on November 29, 2010, 09:21:13 PM
JR Smith is the future.

And always will be. (http://www.google.com/#q=brazil+is+the+country+of+the+future+and+always+will+be)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 29, 2010, 10:06:23 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 29, 2010, 01:23:06 PM
There is some truth to the idea that they both dominate the ball and so the other guy is left doing nothing. But I think a better coach could devise an offense where in actual plays and ball movement are created. Watching them right now its pretty clear that isn't the case. Still early of course but the offense in general still looks like shit. Compare that to something like the Lakers where you can see an actual offense in place. An offense isn't just letting Wade or Lebron hold the ball for 20 seconds and then either shoot or pass it at the last second. The ball movement is terrible in their offense currently.

I always thought the best case scenario for the Heat was sort of a Magic and James Worthy situation. But they are very far from that right now obviously.

It's like only one of the Big 3 can be involved in a given offensive set. Incredible. How hard would it be to run a pick and roll with LeBron and Bosh? Should be fucking money in the bank!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Bocsius on December 02, 2010, 12:03:46 AM
The Lakers dropped their 4th in a row, this time to Houston (Shane Battier, Blue Devil).

They're lucky Miami is playing so bad  (although they won big tonight) and is going to Cleveland tomorrow, nobody will even notice the champions' present struggles.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 02, 2010, 12:14:33 AM
Yeah they've looked really bad recently. Jackson has been bitching about bynum. Saying Gasol and Odom are playing too many minutes because he is taking so long to come back from his injury.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Bocsius on December 02, 2010, 12:18:18 AM
Bynum is injured? That never happens.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Mandark on December 02, 2010, 02:22:56 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2010120104

Dwight Howard, goddam!

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Check out Joakim Noah's line.
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Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 02, 2010, 07:54:06 PM
I hope Cleveland riots tonight when they lose.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 02, 2010, 10:00:58 PM
87-50.

Ha Ha.

Fuck you Cleveland.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 02, 2010, 10:05:17 PM
lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 02, 2010, 10:39:18 PM
Lebron with a season high 38.

Fuck you again Cleveland.

And fuck the media for all your boo-hoo sob stories about Cleveland.


[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN0WqSeCKW8[/youtube]
 :bow2


Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 02, 2010, 10:45:51 PM
The crowd chanting 'Pip-pen' is some dumb shit. 1) Pip is Top 50 all-time. 2) That's way over-rating Wade, relative to Jordan.

Maybe this will kick-start the Heat a bit - I'm sure it has been weighing on their minds. They still don't look great, although that's by far the best I've seen LeBron play this season. They even had a few plays involving BOTH LeBron and Wade! golfclap for Spoelstra there.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 02, 2010, 10:50:22 PM
Maaaan, look at Miami smashing all those sub-.500 teams!

:bow LeBron :bow2

Best team ever. Makes Michael Jordan and the 90's Bulls look like chumps.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 02, 2010, 11:00:26 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 02, 2010, 10:50:22 PM
Maaaan, look at Miami smashing all those sub-.500 teams!

:bow LeBron :bow2

Best team ever. Makes Michael Jordan and the 90's Bulls look like chumps.

That's actually a more reliable indicator of a championship winner than beating good teams by smaller margins. But yes, Miami are a huge disappointment any way you slice it.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 02, 2010, 11:02:12 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 02, 2010, 10:50:22 PM
Maaaan, look at Miami smashing all those sub-.500 teams!

:bow LeBron :bow2

Best team ever. Makes Michael Jordan and the 90's Bulls look like chumps.

The Cavs will stink for the next decade and keep pining away with their mad faces. I'll enjoy every minute of it. Big Players leave small teams. It happens. Even Orlando fans wasn't as bad as these bunch of bitches when Shaq left.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 02, 2010, 11:38:35 PM
LeBron's line about 'continuing the greatness in Miami' was just...oh dear
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 02, 2010, 11:45:37 PM
How was the booing/laughing? Didn't see the game
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 02, 2010, 11:49:07 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 02, 2010, 11:45:37 PM
How was the booing/laughing? Didn't see the game
It started off intense but then they started to get blown out fairly early so the crowd was mostly silent after that. It didn't help that Lebron went 15 of 25 from the field.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 03, 2010, 12:15:03 AM
LeBron really needs to just embrace being the heel. If you're going to be hated, you may as well be LOATHED. Talk smack, and beat the crap out of every team that gives you lip about it. It's working for the Celtics.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 03, 2010, 12:19:32 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 03, 2010, 12:15:03 AM
LeBron really needs to just embrace being the heel. If you're going to be hated, you may as well be LOATHED. Talk smack, and beat the crap out of every team that gives you lip about it. It's working for the Celtics.

I don't think that's Lebron's personality. He genuinely seems like an affable guy who wants to be liked. And he's still fairly young.

Perhaps he will develop more of a thick skin though now.

Certainly Kobe became that sort of player the longer he was in the league.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 03, 2010, 12:29:09 AM
Kobe feeds off that hatred though, and has a killer instinct. LeBron isn't that guy; imo Wade is closer to that than him. Personality wise LeBron seems closer to Shaq. But less awesome
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 03, 2010, 01:12:43 AM
ah, the killer instinct. Only applied to those with rings  ::)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 03, 2010, 01:20:18 AM
:smug

Normally this is where I'd start trolling Dirk, but since Malek isn't here there's no point
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Mandark on December 03, 2010, 02:49:00 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 03, 2010, 01:12:43 AM
ah, the killer instinct. Only applied to those with rings  ::)

You just don't get it, Cormac.  Kobe has a killer instinct.  He had it in the early 00's, then he lost it when they traded Shaq, then he found it again when they got Gasol.

Strange coincidences, those.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 03, 2010, 02:58:59 AM
Yeah, the Kobe selfish/selfless/selfish rollercoaster has provided some of the great sports fiction of our times.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: etiolate on December 04, 2010, 06:31:19 PM
The Kings are basketball abortion.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Beezy on December 04, 2010, 07:12:36 PM
Heats vs Cavs was the most boring game I've watched this season so far. I wanna see how Heats vs Knicks turn out.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 07, 2010, 12:47:34 AM
The Heat are 14-8. The Lakers are 14-6. Not that big a difference
 :smug
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Beezy on December 07, 2010, 01:02:28 AM
Knicks are 13-9. The Heats better watch their backs. :smug
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 07, 2010, 01:05:52 AM
Yeah the knicks have been playing better recently. Makes you wonder how good they could be with Carmelo.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 10, 2010, 12:35:09 PM
Lots of streaks.

Boston has won 9 in a row.
NY has won 6 in a row.
Miami has won 6 in a row.
Dallas has won 11 in a row.

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Beezy on December 10, 2010, 09:53:44 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 10, 2010, 12:35:09 PM
NY has won 6 in a row.

7 in a row now. 15-9
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 10, 2010, 11:41:36 PM
^
look at this filthy bandwagon jumper  :yuck
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 10, 2010, 11:50:04 PM
Knicks are doing surprisingly well for a team with a superstar that can't guard anybody. 

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 10, 2010, 11:41:36 PM
^
look at this filthy bandwagon jumper  :yuck

yeah, ban that filth, bandwagonning is disgusting
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Mandark on December 11, 2010, 12:08:34 AM
OTOH he's replacing David Lee, so he's probably a defensive upgrade.  I saw a bit of a Warriors/Suns game earlier this year and good god in heaven was Lee turrible on that end.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2010, 12:11:51 AM
Sports Guy is announcing the Heat/Warriors game. I miss Steven Van Gundy smh
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 11, 2010, 12:13:23 AM
I like the Sportsguy.

 :patel
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2010, 12:14:16 AM
It's like nearly everything he says is either a long, rambling comment or a bad tweet he decided to test out irl first
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 11, 2010, 12:15:05 AM
Also I'm watching this game on my 360.

 :smug
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 11, 2010, 12:26:58 AM
Miami Heat. 16-8 After this game tonight.


LA Lakers 16-7 after tonight.


Just saying...
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2010, 12:27:16 AM
Sports Guy trolling Mark Jackson hard  :lol

now Jackson is telling us he played against Bird
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 11, 2010, 12:44:59 AM
Even in a blowout win in a road game I still see things I don't like in the Heat offense that will trouble them when they play against good teams. Outside of the transition game, Lebron and Wade still don't look comfortable together out there. Even when one goes to the bench and the other can dominate, the offense turns into watch 4 guys watch 1 guy dominate on the floor. It's still not a real offense.

Oddly enough I think Bosh is actually the most important piece of this whole thing after originally thinking he was the least important. He has to be that effective second and third guy to take some of the pressure off. I'm not saying he has to score 20 a game. But he has to hit some big shots when this team will need it to take the pressure off.


Him and Mike Miller when he comes back will actually be really key.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Mandark on December 11, 2010, 12:57:52 AM
Bill Simmons has the worst voice for TV.  I can't watch PTI when he's subbing.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 11, 2010, 01:07:32 AM
Just to be a dick lets check in and see how Mo Williams is doing on the cavs.


Shooting 40%. The lowest of his career since his rookie season.
Down to 29% from 3 point range. Also the lowest of his career since his rookie season and the last two years where he shot 44% and 43%
Scoring average down slightly to 14.6 which is his lowest since the 05-06 season.


Antawn Jamison is also struggling but I like him so I hope he lands himself in a better situation.

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 11, 2010, 01:38:55 AM
Is anyone else annoyed by the new interpretation and enforcement of NBA rules? 

It just seems like all a player needs is speed and decent ball-handling skills to score a bunch of points because the refs are going to reward even drives that have less than 5% chances of being successful.  I mean, guys like Westbrook, Rose and Wall are fun to watch but they aren't as good as their numbers would indicate. 

In addition, ref bias is more obvious than ever because you see guys with defensive reps, like Artest, are still allowed to play old school D. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Beezy on December 11, 2010, 01:52:57 AM
Bandwagon my ass! The last team I was ever actually a fan of were the Bulls when Jordan was playing. :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2010, 01:54:46 AM
you just ethered yourself son

although I'll admit: since Shaq has always been my favorite player, whatever team he was on became my favorite team, especially the Lakers. But it no longer applies today, and I hated the Cavs and now Boston.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 11, 2010, 01:58:35 AM
What's wrong with Boston?  They are one of the best "teamwork" teams in a long time, kinda like the last Pistons championship team except with much more offensive talent.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2010, 02:00:36 AM
I hated that Piston team for pretty much the same reason: bunch of assholes on one team.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 11, 2010, 02:04:28 AM
Shaq and Kobe are two of the biggest assholes ever.  LOL

Even as a lifelong LA resident, I could never get myself to cheer for the Lakers during their era.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2010, 02:09:53 AM
leave my inconsistent personality demands alone, bastard  :'(

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Beezy on December 11, 2010, 02:19:53 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2010, 01:54:46 AM
you just ethered yourself son

although I'll admit: since Shaq has always been my favorite player, whatever team he was on became my favorite team, especially the Lakers. But it no longer applies today, and I hated the Cavs and now Boston.
How? I've never claimed to be a lifelong Knicks fan. I just seriously got back into basketball last year and the only thing I wanted was the Lakers demise. I didn't care who did it.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 11, 2010, 02:43:14 AM
LeBron played like a savage tonight. He's baaaacckk, baby, and the rest of the league better be happy with their brief time in the MVP discussion.

Derrick Rose also had an incredible game, always great to see someone toasting Kobe in crunchtime. Chicago are a very solid team with Boozer.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 11, 2010, 02:46:05 AM
Boozer only had 10 pts though.  I didn't watch the game tonight but Boozer has always had much difficulty scoring against taller opponents like Gasol. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 11, 2010, 03:13:19 AM
It was one of the lowest-scoring games of the season, and he only took 9 shots (going 5 for 9). Believe me, he makes a difference - he opens up a ton of space for Rose. Before that, Rose was turning to folks like Taj Gibson when he couldn't get a shot for himself. Boozer is a huge upgrade.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 12, 2010, 08:33:39 AM
Still streaking.



Boston has won 10 in a row.
NY has won 8 in a row.
Miami has won 8 in a row.
Dallas has won 12 in a row.
Chicago has won 5 in a row
San Antonio has won 4 in a row.
Cleveland has lost 7 in a row.


All streaking!

Also this was what the Daily Dime had to say and I kinda agree especially the bolded. It's also why they will a tough time beating the Celtics.


Quote
Eastern Conference scout on the Heat's six-game winning streak since calling a post-game team meeting in Dallas and the early season criticism coach Erik Spoelstra has been forced to weather:

"I think best thing that could have happened is what happened. Pat [Riley] stayed quiet and Erik has been real vocal and forceful in saying, 'This is what we're going to do' and never backing down publicly. Now that they're having some success, I think that's helped his credibility on the outside, though I don't know if he ever really needed that.

"Pat really hasn't said anything since the season started. So to me it would have been more hurtful at the time [of the Dallas loss and reports of player dissatisfaction with Spoelstra] for him to come out of semi-hibernation and get back in the public eye. Spoelstra gained strength by doing all the talking.

"It's all been good for them. It looks like LeBron and D-Wade have quit trying to get everybody else involved and are just making it more of a two-man show. And Bosh is playing better. I think the other two guys have been playing better, so [Bosh's] shots have come a little easier and he's been a little more active trying to rebound the ball instead of just being a jump shooter."
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 12, 2010, 06:15:43 PM
Quote
Carmelo Anthony has told the Denver Nuggets he will not sign the nearly $65 million contract extension he has been offered unless he is traded to the New York Knicks, a source told ESPN.com on Sunday.

The source, using the most definitive language possible, confirmed what has been widely speculated around the NBA over the past two months as Anthony has been at the center of trade talks involving numerous teams.

And while other franchises might be able to make better offers, Anthony will not agree to sign anywhere long-term unless he is dealt to New York, according to the source, who has been privy to private discussions between Anthony, his representatives and the Nuggets organization.

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=5912307


Would be bad ass if he ends up in NY.

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 12, 2010, 06:57:00 PM
The Knicks are looking pretty good without him, but I don't think they'll be able to make it far in the playoffs without another scorer. He is without doubt the best of the guys they have a shot at signing (unless the Hornets have a fire sale on Chris Paul, which is looking unlikely now that the NBA owns them, literally), and they should absolutely do what they can to grab him. Felton is playing really well but it's hard to believe it's for real just yet.

The big question though - Melo is a fantastic fit for the offense but how do they hide both him AND Amare on defense? I'd still sign him in a heartbeat, but they have the potential to be an absolute heart-breaker of a team, one that builds big leads then coughs them back up again and loses to any team that can get stops. (Like the Celtics, Heat and Magic...)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 13, 2010, 02:04:21 PM
*jumps on Knicks bandwagon*
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 13, 2010, 02:36:26 PM
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Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling has been taunting his own point guard Baron Davis from his courtside seats during games, according to Marc J. Spears of Yahoo Sports.

"Why are you in the game?" Sterling was said to have shouted. "Why did you take that shot? You're out of shape!"

The Clippers currently have a record of 5-20, the worst in the league. The 31-year-old has only played in 11 games, averaging 7.4 points and 5.8 rebounds.

"I have no comment on that," Davis said of the owner's heckles. "It's a fight. You're fighting unnecessary battles. I'm fighting unnecessary battles."

Davis went on to say that it is frustrating because he and his teammates know that he is "capable of getting it done."

 :rofl


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/13/donald-sterling-baron-davis_n_795922.html
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 13, 2010, 02:41:42 PM
 :lol

Donald Sterling might be the greatest troll of all time. 30 years and still going strong
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 13, 2010, 02:45:00 PM
Yeah. I guess there is nothing much you can do and since the NBA has the Lakers in that market it doesn't really matter but I'm surprised they haven't tried to put more pressure on him to sell the team over the years. He's the worst owner in sports and the clips will always be a joke as along as he owns that team. So many great players flushed their careers down the toilet with that team.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 13, 2010, 02:47:56 PM
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"Those San Diego years are the stuff of NBA legend. Sterling welcomed himself to town by plastering his face on billboards across the city. And when the Clips won their 1981 home opener, he ran across the court, shirt unbuttoned and glass of wine held aloft, to high-five his players and hug coach Paul Silas. 'I love you!' he told them. But later that year he refused to pay a $1,000 prize to a local lawyer who won a free throw contest until the guy sued for fraud. Sterling even asked Silas to cut costs by taping players himself. Before the next season, he installed an ex-model named Patricia Simmons as assistant GM, putting her at Silas' desk while the coach was on an NBA promotional trip to China. Silas returned to find his belongings piled in the hallway."
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/6435/donald-sterling-one-creepy-story-after-another

:rofl
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Beezy on December 13, 2010, 05:38:18 PM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on December 13, 2010, 02:04:21 PM
*jumps on Knicks bandwagon*
*highfive*
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 13, 2010, 09:23:08 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 13, 2010, 02:45:00 PM
Yeah. I guess there is nothing much you can do and since the NBA has the Lakers in that market it doesn't really matter but I'm surprised they haven't tried to put more pressure on him to sell the team over the years. He's the worst owner in sports and the clips will always be a joke as along as he owns that team. So many great players flushed their careers down the toilet with that team.

The change in Blake Griffin's body language already is quite striking. From ebullient rookie to moody vet inside 30 games! :bow Sterling
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 13, 2010, 11:27:27 PM
Watching the Heat pound on the Hornets. This line-up really isn't fair sometimes. The Hornets just got done getting beat on by LeBron, who creates a 13pt lead. Then he tags out for Wade, who is looking fresh as a daisy after an eternity on the bench watching LeBron go nuclear. Of course Wade just starts scoring at will, as well. He's playing against tired, deflated players and he's rested and amped up. It's weird and it's not perfect but it's a hell of a thing.

It's becoming a real trend for them to pull away in the 3rd, like the Lakers used to do with Shaq. By that time, they've got the other team in the penalty, they've got fouls on everybody they want fouls on, and the other team's stars are tired, while theirs are still fresh. It's gonna be really tough to guard these guys for 48 mins in the playoffs, and still retain some energy on the offensive end.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 14, 2010, 12:25:35 AM
They can have some pretty nasty runs that can just destroy the other team. Especially when they get into the transition game. A

All three have been playing well recently but Wade especially has been on a tear. 


[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG7lepPNvZM[/youtube]

 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 14, 2010, 12:57:55 AM
Yeah, and the transition game creates fouls like crazy. Just like Shaq back in the day, you can withstand the onslaught for a couple of quarters, but eventually people start to foul out, they get into the penalty and you get tired. The game gets easier and easier for them, and harder and harder for you. I think the Celtics are an amazing team (as I keep harping on and on about) but they better have the whole platoon ready and healthy to get through a series against the Heat.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 14, 2010, 01:06:50 AM
Heat looks unstoppable when LBJ and Wade are both running.  It makes me wonder why they both prefer to play a half court game instead.

Wade was just insane tonight.  I don't know if anyone in the history could have stopped him when he's moving like that.  Even if you give him 5 feet, he would probably blow right by.  The problem is that his body can never keep up when he's playing at that pace.  Dude should probably slow down a bit and save himself for the playoffs. 


 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 14, 2010, 01:13:44 AM
Well, their big problem is lack of rebounds. They get a lot of steals but suffer on the boards, so they just won't get the same number of transition baskets as they could with a good boardman in the middle. I expect them to address that in the offseason (and maybe at the trade deadline with a veteran pickup). If it isn't #1 on Riles' to-do list, I'd be shocked. Dampier was worth a shot but he's clearly done.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 14, 2010, 10:28:37 PM
Posting this just 'cause Harden's reaction at .37 kills me! This guy never seems to have much fun on court so it's nice to see.

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=LuoAXgupZ34[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Beezy on December 14, 2010, 11:57:25 PM
:rofl
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 15, 2010, 12:14:46 AM
Couple of fun games tomorrow. Knicks versus Celtics.

And the Heat get to stomp on the Cavs again but at home this time.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 15, 2010, 12:35:38 AM
Yeah, looking forward to Knicks vs Celtics. The Knicks suddenly came on my radar with this streak. They're a fun team but my money is on the Celtics for sure, even as banged-up as they are. Asking Pierce about the 'rivalry' was a joke though - he should have said 'What, are we playing the fucking Yankees?! THAT would be a rivalry'
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 15, 2010, 08:19:57 PM
Knicks vs Celtics is great so far. I'm bewildered why the Cs aren't taking it at Stoudemire on offense when he's the only big man playing for the Knicks. KG and Big Baby should be scoring on him like crazy. Oh well.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 15, 2010, 10:20:58 PM
Yeah that turned out to be a really close game.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 15, 2010, 10:33:28 PM
Shush your mouth, i'm still watching! ;)

(on International League Pass, which is SO AWESOME. Especially when you work from home and have a 2nd monitor dedicated to NBA). Yes, I'm working right now bwah ha ha ha ha
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 15, 2010, 11:48:42 PM
Great game!

I really want a gif of Nate Robinson bouncing off Pierce at the end. Pierce completely ignores Nate, who looks like he could have broken his fool neck he was up so high.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Beezy on December 16, 2010, 12:01:04 AM
(http://i51.tinypic.com/219qw6v.jpg)

Btw, fuck Paul Pierce. I like the Celtics, but he's dead to me.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 16, 2010, 12:53:46 AM
:rofl

Yeah, Pierce is an arrogant SOB, just like Garnett. But hey, they back it up.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Beezy on December 16, 2010, 01:06:14 AM
Amare's 3 should've shut him up...

:fbm
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 16, 2010, 01:19:35 AM
Pierce played great, really. He was very unlucky to get that foul called on him by Gallinari - he played perfect D there but Gallinari just did a great acting job. Glad he was able to get the clinching bucket for that reason. He also made a great fake and pass to get Ray that baseline 3 that broke the game open. Can't hate on Pierce just yet, my man. In a few years he'll be broken down and you can let rip, but not yet.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 16, 2010, 04:04:55 AM
that 3 :(

that gif though :rofl
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Beezy on December 16, 2010, 07:58:01 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 16, 2010, 01:19:35 AM
He also made a great fake and pass to get Ray that baseline 3 that broke the game open.
While Felton was on the floor at the other end of the court. :(

I hope they don't trade anyone just to get Carmelo right now. Chandler and Gallinari played hard last night. They'd be dumb as fuck to trade Fields.

Their bench sucks right now though...
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 16, 2010, 08:27:09 AM
Yeah, well...Felton got to play against Rondo on a busted wheel most of the night. He can't complain. Felton also got to shoot 3 FTs on that prayer at the end of the 3rd (I think).

You have to be kidding about not trading for Melo, right? Those guys are playing well, and they had a great game tonight, but they are VERY replaceable. They're playing in the most stat-friendly system there is. As the Nuggets are about to find out, Melo is a special player and you always take those guys and figure it out later. Especially when you would have a window as long as they would have with Melo and Amare.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Beezy on December 16, 2010, 08:31:50 AM
Gallo is the most replaceable to me. I've liked Chandler most of this season. Fields... no. Keep him.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 16, 2010, 09:06:09 AM
Let's imagine you've been watching Melo for the last 5 years or so though. Are you really saying you'd turn that guy down? He has his faults, but he brings one hell of a lot. He can get pretty much any shot, at any time...there's probably no-one else I'd rather have in the entire league than him with 10 seconds on the clock and a tied game. I get that those guys are good but in every trade you have to give up something. This win streak is nice but it's because of Amare going nuts more than it's because role players are suddenly being awesome. Don't get carried away.

I have no doubt that Donnie Walsh would trade everybody other than Amare for Melo, and he should. Sure, the depth chart will be shot to hell for a while but you'll have a great team if it goes through. There is no way the Knicks are contending this year anyway. Get Melo, stock up on quality role players in the off-season, and aim to knock off the Celtics and the Heat next season.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Beezy on December 16, 2010, 10:34:53 AM
I wouldn't turn down Melo, I just wish there was another way to get him.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 16, 2010, 03:05:16 PM
Quote from: Beezy on December 16, 2010, 10:34:53 AM
I wouldn't turn down Melo, I just wish there was another way to get him.

There is. Wait until the off-season and just sign him. Of course Melo would be leaving money on the table at that point so it depends on how serious he is about wanting to play for the Knicks.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 16, 2010, 04:41:18 PM
Another Sam Bowie.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5926989
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 16, 2010, 07:12:55 PM
That's rather unfair, Stoney - Yao has already had a great career, even though it is obviously very disappointing. He could have been a Hall of Famer. But he achieved a hell of a lot more than a lot of initial doubters expected (Barkley, for example).

If he'd been playing in the old days, with a shorter season, I'd imagine he'd have a lot of post-season success too. He just isn't built for 82 games.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 16, 2010, 07:15:03 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 16, 2010, 03:05:16 PM
Quote from: Beezy on December 16, 2010, 10:34:53 AM
I wouldn't turn down Melo, I just wish there was another way to get him.

There is. Wait until the off-season and just sign him. Of course Melo would be leaving money on the table at that point so it depends on how serious he is about wanting to play for the Knicks.

Yeah, like the Nuggets are going to let him walk. Of course, they might trade him elsewhere, and the Knicks could still pick him up. That's the optimum scenario for the Knicks, but it rests on Melo being prepared to basically throw away the rest of this season playing for the Nets, and not making the playoffs. I'm sure the Knicks and Melo would much rather get a deal done with the Knicks right now.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 16, 2010, 07:17:10 PM
Yeah, for much of the last decade, Yao was the best center when he was playing.  Dude could have scored a lot more points if he wasn't so unselfish.  Even then he managed to be Top 5 in Per several times.  Also, he destroyed Dwight pretty much every time they met.    


http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=mingya01&p2=howardw01
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 16, 2010, 07:23:53 PM
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"I haven't died," he said. "Right now I'm drinking a beer and eating fried chicken. What were you expecting, a funeral?"

At least he hasn't lost his sense of humor  :lol

A more apt Bowie comparison would be Oden. Yao is still only 30, and can be effective - just not for 82 games. Oden is still young too, but he came into the league with a very limited offensive skill set and hasn't had any time to improve. Damn, can you imagine how scary Portland would be with a fully healthy Oden dominating the boards and paint on defense?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 16, 2010, 08:11:01 PM
Not very scary at all, because they tied up all the money in Roy, who is just as bad as Oden. They just haven't admitted it to themselves yet. That guy has aged in dog years.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 16, 2010, 08:15:12 PM
Yeah, it's sad 'cause Roy has always taken care of his body, aside from his unwise decision to play in the playoffs last year.  Roy is actually quite athletic but he's never relied on his hops or speed because he knows he's prone to getting hurt. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 16, 2010, 08:20:52 PM
He's in that zone of cascading injuries now - it's a downward spiral even if he manages to stay on court for years to come. Once there is a basic weakness in the system like not having a meniscus, everything else is over-pressured and will degrade prematurely. This has been on the cards since high school, hasn't it?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 16, 2010, 10:18:20 PM
Nate Robinson is really fun to watch and has surprisingly become a legit NBA player.  He still makes some dumb decisions but there's probably more due to a lack of experience at running an offense.  He's never really been asked to do anything more than just provide instant offense for a couple of minutes. 

Robinson would be even better if he'd just drive more.  Even though he has a good pullup and despite his height, his speed and hangtime make his drives virtually unstoppable without fouling. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 16, 2010, 11:21:57 PM
Yeah, but the problem is he's so fucking tiny (relatively, of course). If he gets clobbered mid-air by even a regular small forward let alone a center, he's in a world of hurt. It takes a special kind of masochism to consistently drive at that size, which is why AI was so amazing to me.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 17, 2010, 06:53:27 PM
Heat at the Knicks in a few minutes.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Beezy on December 17, 2010, 07:02:13 PM
I have no idea what to expect from this game.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 17, 2010, 07:13:58 PM
I do respect how Amare has embraced being the star in NY. I think a lot of people myself included kind of ignored his signing in New York.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 17, 2010, 07:35:27 PM
Knicks are fun on offense but their defense is paper thin.

It doesn't help when Lebron is hitting shots like that though.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 17, 2010, 08:02:58 PM
Good 2nd quarter for the knicks. The heat still don't really have a true offense. Their offense is just lebron and wade alternating taking over the game between quarters. That's good enough to beat most teams at this stage but I'm still disappointed, they haven't actually improved in this regard.

The knicks actually have a real offensive gameplan and concept in place at least compared to the heat.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Beezy on December 17, 2010, 08:12:34 PM
Knicks still in this :rock
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 17, 2010, 08:54:38 PM
Well it was close for awhile...
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 17, 2010, 09:02:57 PM
Watching the heat is weird. It's like your watching them and disappointed that the offense is so basic and not impressed because the game is close. Then they just put on one of those nasty runs and in a couple of minutes just like that, the game is over.

The thing is I think they can get away with this all season and put up a really good record. I just have a feeling when it comes down to it against the very elite teams very deep in the playoffs, this strategy isn't going to work.

Maybe they will eventually gel into a real team or maybe this strategy will work and get them a title. It's weird though. I haven't really seen a team like this before in all my years of watching the NBA.   

Where I could see this working is when in the playoffs that dangerous stretch where you have to rest your superstar like the Lakers do with Kobe at the start of the 4th. Ideally the Heat wouldn't run into this problem pretty much ever. They should always have a top notch scorer on the court in the 4th.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Beezy on December 17, 2010, 09:19:25 PM
:fbm
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Himu on December 17, 2010, 09:20:26 PM
Yao Ming :(
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Beezy on December 17, 2010, 09:32:59 PM
Amare pretty much got shutdown this game.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 18, 2010, 01:06:29 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKgc3CoEhjI[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 18, 2010, 04:52:07 PM
Gotta give the magic some credit. Also has anyone had a sadder career ever than Vince Carter.

Edit: Any by credit I mean at least trying something different. That former incarnation of the team wasn't going to get the job done.

Quote
The Orlando Magic capped a blockbuster day of wheeling and dealing by trading one franchise cornerstone for another, sending Rashard Lewis to the Washington Wizards for Gilbert Arenas, team sources told ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard on Saturday.

That trade followed news of a deal that sent Vince Carter to the Phoenix Suns in a multiplayer deal that returns Hedo Turkoglu to the Magic.


The Magic, losers of five of their last six games, also get Jason Richardson and Earl Clark from the Suns in exchange for Carter, Marcin Gortat, Mickael Pietrus, a 2011 first-round pick and cash considerations, sources said.

The Arenas-Lewis deal doesn't include other pieces, the sources told Broussard.

The Magic and Wizards had been discussing a deal involving Arenas off and on since last summer.

Arenas and the Wizards have been open to parting ways since Washington landed point guard John Wall with the No. 1 pick and thereby providing a new face for the franchise.


Arenas was suspended last season for the final 50 games by commissioner David Stern after a locker room incident involving gun play with former teammate Javaris Crittenton came to light last Dec. 23.

The Magic used lucrative pieces to close both deals, including Carter's expiring contract and Lewis' deal, which has 2½ years remaining on the original $118 million, six-year deal. It lines up with Arenas' backloaded contract -- which still has about $60 million left.


Magic president Otis Smith has been a close friend and mentor to the Arenas going back to their days together at Golden State, when Smith was in the front-office and Arenas was a young player. Smith has said in the past that Arenas' troubles, which, in addition to last year's 50-game suspension, included faking an injury to sit out a preseason game this year, are not a concern.

"The length of his contract and health probably have been more of my concerns," Smith told The Associated Press early Saturday. "With the length of his contract, you're always concerned about taking on more, of course. That's always been one of my concerns. I know a little bit more detail about Gilbert off the court and who he is as a person.

"He's probably similar to the guys we have in the locker room right now. I would say that sometimes good people make dumb decisions, and he's one of those guys."

Arenas, a three-time All Star, has had several knee problems that limited him to 47 games over the previous three seasons. But while playing alongside -- and often behind -- Wall this season, Arenas has showed flashes of his old self.

He has averaged 17.3 points and 5.6 assists per game this season, including a season-high 31 points in a loss against the Magic on Nov. 27. The Magic have made strong pushes to acquire Denver's Carmelo Anthony and New Orleans' Chris Paul, but with those talks showing little progress, they might be forced to make another move.

Orlando has lost five of its last six games, including a frustrating 1-3 West Coast trip, falling from first to fourth in the Eastern Conference. The Magic were set to host Philadelphia on Saturday night, and Washington was hosting Miami.

"I circled the West Coast trip on our schedule a long time ago," Smith said. "The West Coast trip, to me, was going to decide whether or not we're going to either fix our woes or continue down the same path. I don't think we've played particularly well leading up to the West Coast trip. So, we were on the West Coast trip and some of our woes continued, so you start to explore opportunities that are out there."
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Beezy on December 18, 2010, 05:55:58 PM
Turkey glue! Hasn't he been playing worse since going to Toronto though?

And yes, please get rid of Lewis.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 18, 2010, 06:01:39 PM
Quote from: Beezy on December 18, 2010, 05:55:58 PM
Turkey glue! Hasn't he been playing worse since going to Toronto though?

And yes, please get rid of Lewis.

He had a disastrous stint in Toronto and was traded to Phoenix. Orlando is the best situation for him at this point and stage of his career. He fits in with that team and his skillset works with that composition of a squad.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Mandark on December 18, 2010, 06:26:40 PM
Wrong thread.  Bye Gilbert!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 19, 2010, 09:16:50 PM
The Magic look better to me, but it kind of hinges on whether a potential upgrade of the starters makes up for worse D and bench. My gut says this one doesn't move the needle more than a few wins either way.

Turkoglu should have been a good fit in Phoenix too, since Nash needed all the shooters and ball-handlers he can get to spell him. But he was atrocious. Once it's gone, it doesn't usually come back (this is why I'm so amazed at the season KG is having. And you can bet his offseason regimen is about 5x as hard as Hedo's).
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 20, 2010, 01:25:00 PM
Mike Miller is ready to come back.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/news/story?id=5939238


Heat play Mavs tonight although its not a nationally televised game.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 20, 2010, 09:59:07 PM
Heat streak ends tonight. Mavs played them very well.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 20, 2010, 10:03:58 PM
Is it just me or has Dwyane Wade gotten a lot more selfish this season?  It just seems like he's trying so hard to not let Lebron overshadow him.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 20, 2010, 10:06:40 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on December 20, 2010, 10:03:58 PM
Is it just me or has Dwyane Wade gotten a lot more selfish this season?  It just seems like he's trying so hard to not let Lebron overshadow him.

This is why they've been winning recently. Earlier it felt like he was trying to defer too much. Lebron also. Like nobody wanted to step on anybody's toes. The win streak coincided with each superstar sort of more aggressively taking over quarters.

It's still not ideal basketball. Ideally their games would complement each other more when they are both on the court but for most of the win streak its been Lebron or Wade alternating quarters taking over the game.

Wade in particular has been hot this month.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 20, 2010, 10:07:54 PM
Dallas Mavs :rock
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 20, 2010, 10:10:37 PM
Second time the Mavs have beat them so far. That's sort of my fear for the Heat.

That what works against 95% of the league isn't going to work against the handful of elite teams ala Boston, Dallas, San Antonio, LA.  We'll see about the Bulls and Orlando. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 20, 2010, 10:11:09 PM
Somewhere, Malek is happy
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Mandark on December 20, 2010, 10:14:20 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on December 20, 2010, 10:03:58 PM
Is it just me or has Dwyane Wade gotten a lot more selfish this season?  It just seems like he's trying so hard to not let Lebron overshadow him.

*checks basketball-reference.com*

Actually, yeah.  His assist rate is way down.  Haven't watched too many Heat games, but I'd expect a lot of that is because he's no longer a de facto PG, rather than jealousy of LeBron.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 21, 2010, 12:14:53 AM
Dwyane just seems to be taking a lot more bad shots and looking less for his teammates than he used to, which is a shame because his passing ability is just a tad below Lebron's. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 21, 2010, 12:26:04 AM
Quote from: Mandark on December 20, 2010, 10:14:20 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on December 20, 2010, 10:03:58 PM
Is it just me or has Dwyane Wade gotten a lot more selfish this season?  It just seems like he's trying so hard to not let Lebron overshadow him.

*checks basketball-reference.com*

Actually, yeah.  His assist rate is way down.  Haven't watched too many Heat games, but I'd expect a lot of that is because he's no longer a de facto PG, rather than jealousy of LeBron.

LeBron is their point guard in all but name. When Wade has the ball, he's aiming to score (which is exactly what I think they need).
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 21, 2010, 12:26:27 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on December 21, 2010, 12:14:53 AM
Dwyane just seems to be taking a lot more bad shots and looking less for his teammates than he used to, which is a shame because his passing ability is just a tad below Lebron's. 


He along with Lebron got off to a bad start which dragged down some of his stats. Some people were jumping the gun and saying injuries were maybe dragging him down.

For the Month of December though he has been fine. I think his assists numbers were inevitably going to go down with him not being the sole focus of the offense.

December numbers: 11 games.

Wade
pts: 26.6
fg%: 55%
3pt %:48%
rebs: 7.2
ast: 4.2   

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/splits?playerId=1987

You can't do much better than that.

I think the first few months were the growing pains (and its still occurring although its getting better) of trying to merge all these players who generally get all these touches.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 21, 2010, 12:33:12 AM
Good game by Dallas tonight, but I'm not convinced they could beat the Heat in a series or anything. I'd say the Heat win 4-2. The Heat had a horrible shooting night on the whole, and Terry just killed in the 4th. If you had to lose and break the streak, this was a relatively acceptable way of doing it.

I'm not sold on Wade being a special passer. He can get guys great shots by virtue of his drives (i.e. by drawing away defenders from them), but in terms of reading the D and anticipating cuts etc, he seems pretty average.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 21, 2010, 12:37:21 AM
Seeing Dwyane and Lebron try to play together make me respect Pippen and Jordan even more.  Those two old timers were just as physically gifted, maybe even more but their games meshed so much better, not just with each other but with all their teammates. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 21, 2010, 12:43:42 AM
I think what Lebron and Wade are trying to do is much harder though. Pippen came into a situation where it was always clear who the alpha dog was. He was bred and drafted into that system. This is like taking two all time greats, both in their prime and then putting them together and expecting it to gel quickly. Even the Celtics Big three isn't really comparable as Ray, Pierce, and KG are three completely different kind of players with different needs.

While its a simplistic analysis and not 100% accurate, Wade and Lebron are the same kind of player who both demand the ball be in their hands a good part of the time for them to be effective. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 21, 2010, 12:52:41 AM
Also, they're both streaky shooters that need to take a bunch of shots to get hot. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 21, 2010, 12:54:22 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on December 21, 2010, 12:52:41 AM
Also, they're both streaky shooters that need to take a bunch of shots to get hot. 

ugh what is this voodoo
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 21, 2010, 01:00:02 AM
It's true though.  For some reason, their FG% are better when they can just keep chucking it up. 

But hey, at least they're not as bad as Kobe.  It drives me nuts when Kobe goes for 7 for 23 and all the fans here in LA still praise him for his "killer instinct" because he just won't stop shooting. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 21, 2010, 01:26:28 AM
If it's true, can you prove it to me? 'cause I'm pretty much sure I can prove to you that it's not.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Mandark on December 21, 2010, 01:31:03 AM
Yeah, that sounds like one of those wrong-but-truthy bits of received wisdom that drive Bill James types up a wall.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 21, 2010, 01:41:23 AM
Bill James doesn't watch basketball, dude.  Also, he contradicts himself with his high ranking of DiMaggio.   :P

Actually I'm a big believer in statistical analysis, which is why I've never been convinced by the Kobe myth despite living in LA.

I admit that statement was lazy but a quick glance at Lebron and Dwyane's game logs show that they both generally shot poorly when only having 15 or less FG attempts per game. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 21, 2010, 02:01:00 AM
At least we can all agree Kobe is the greatest clutch player ever amirite
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 21, 2010, 02:20:12 AM
btw just because its on my mind since that Orlando trade.

Rashard Lewis is the second highest paid player in the NBA this year and his salary is $19,573,711. (Kobe is first)


This is for a guy who is currently averaging 12.2 points and shooting 42% from the field.


Yeah....
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 21, 2010, 02:20:57 AM
Kobe is great, but one of these days Pau is going to take the last shot and Kobe is going to have him executed in his sleep. He's pathological about it.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 21, 2010, 02:22:45 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 21, 2010, 02:20:12 AM
btw just because its on my mind since that Orlando trade.

Rashard Lewis is the second highest paid player in the NBA this year and his salary is $19,573,711. (Kobe is first)


This is for a guy who is currently averaging 12.2 points and shooting 42% from the field.


Yeah....

I give you...Nick Collison

http://espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1978

I mean, any time you can wrap up 5ppg and 4.5 rpg for less than $14 million, you have to take it

(in fairness, he's on a weird front-loaded deal that will decline significantly from next year...but still, at least people have HEARD of Rashard Lewis)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 21, 2010, 02:36:49 AM
Here is the top ten for this season if anybody is curious.

http://sportige.com/2010-2011-biggest-contracts/
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Beezy on December 21, 2010, 11:42:27 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 21, 2010, 02:36:49 AM
Here is the top ten for this season if anybody is curious.

http://sportige.com/2010-2011-biggest-contracts/
hilarious
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 21, 2010, 12:32:04 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 21, 2010, 02:36:49 AM
Here is the top ten for this season if anybody is curious.

http://sportige.com/2010-2011-biggest-contracts/

About half of those guys are UNDERpaid in terms of value they create to the franchise. How do you put a price on what Kobe, Pau, KG or Tim Duncan have done for their respective franchises? Ditto for LeBron, Wade, Chris Paul etc etc. They all get paid the max but would you doubt that the Knicks would pay $50 million/yr for LeBron right now, if they were allowed to? Of course not. He'd make that money back for them and more too.

Of the rest, well, the injured guys like Yao and Michael Redd seem like a waste of money at first, and the idiot who wrote that piece seems to agree. But he's not taking into account that the teams all have injury insurance up the ass, and they typically get injury exemptions from the league as well so they can sign replacement players (not that you can easily replace those guys but hey...that just helps make my case that they're appropriately valued). If you're a small market team like Toronto or Milwaukee, you're going to end up paying a gazillion dollars to retain your All-Stars, or else you'll be in the cellar forever. This is just a fact of free agency.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: etiolate on December 21, 2010, 03:23:10 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 21, 2010, 02:36:49 AM
Here is the top ten for this season if anybody is curious.

http://sportige.com/2010-2011-biggest-contracts/

I found the bottom 10 contracts

http://www.nba.com/kings/roster/
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Beezy on December 21, 2010, 07:55:39 PM
New Magics are playing on NBA TV.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 21, 2010, 11:03:21 PM
Quote from: Beezy on December 21, 2010, 07:55:39 PM
New Magics are playing on NBA TV.

FG

Hedo: 2-11
JRich: 4-13
Agent Zero: 1-6

Yeah...
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Beezy on December 21, 2010, 11:27:22 PM
Give em time! :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 21, 2010, 11:35:13 PM
they're streaky shooters! they just need to take more shots!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 22, 2010, 03:42:00 AM
it was worth watching the Lakers game just to see Kobe yell 'Fuck you!' to the refs and get tossed :rofl
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 22, 2010, 04:24:16 AM
Dirk passes Larry Bird to become the 3rd highest-scoring white dude of all-time. :bow
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 22, 2010, 04:41:04 AM
Who's 2nd behind Ron Jeremy?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Beezy on December 22, 2010, 09:21:40 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 22, 2010, 03:42:00 AM
it was worth watching the Lakers game just to see Kobe yell 'Fuck you!' to the refs and get tossed :rofl
This needs to be on youtube.

Quote from: Smooth Groove on December 22, 2010, 04:41:04 AM
Who's 2nd behind Ron Jeremy?
:lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: ManaByte on December 22, 2010, 03:18:38 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwfMmNXwzL0[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 22, 2010, 03:41:37 PM
:rofl
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 22, 2010, 06:45:34 PM
Quote from: ManaByte on December 22, 2010, 03:18:38 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwfMmNXwzL0[/youtube]

Greatest moment in franchise history.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 22, 2010, 07:04:56 PM
I finally got some time to play NBA2K11 this week.  It's so fun to annihilate the Lakers with MJ's Bulls.  Anyone else plays it other than Stoney Mason?


Here's MJ posterizing the Lakers:

(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/903/nba2k112010122208180385.th.jpg) (http://img96.imageshack.us/i/nba2k112010122208180385.jpg/)


Kobe and Bynum got so embarrassed that they completely lost their heads for the rest of the game.   :lol

(http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/1391/nba2k112010122207591939.th.jpg) (http://img339.imageshack.us/i/nba2k112010122207591939.jpg/)

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 22, 2010, 07:16:03 PM
:rofl
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 22, 2010, 07:18:36 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on December 22, 2010, 07:04:56 PM
Kobe and Bynum got so embarrassed that they completely lost their heads for the rest of the game.   :lol

(http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/1391/nba2k112010122207591939.th.jpg) (http://img339.imageshack.us/i/nba2k112010122207591939.jpg/)

:lol

MJ's like "Da fukk?" in that screenshot.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 22, 2010, 10:32:56 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on December 22, 2010, 07:04:56 PM
I finally got some time to play NBA2K11 this week.  It's so fun to annihilate the Lakers with MJ's Bulls.  Anyone else plays it other than Stoney Mason?


Here's MJ posterizing the Lakers:

(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/903/nba2k112010122208180385.th.jpg) (http://img96.imageshack.us/i/nba2k112010122208180385.jpg/)


Kobe and Bynum got so embarrassed that they completely lost their heads for the rest of the game.   :lol

(http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/1391/nba2k112010122207591939.th.jpg) (http://img339.imageshack.us/i/nba2k112010122207591939.jpg/)



lol. Great game. Glad to see it winning so many sports game of the year awards.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Bocsius on December 23, 2010, 12:31:31 AM
Speaking of the Bulls, they've won 9 of their last 10 and 9 of 12 overall since Boozer returned, who is averaging 25 and 11 over his last five games.

:bow Boozer :bow2

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Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Beezy on December 23, 2010, 01:13:57 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on December 22, 2010, 07:18:36 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on December 22, 2010, 07:04:56 PM
Kobe and Bynum got so embarrassed that they completely lost their heads for the rest of the game.   :lol

(http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/1391/nba2k112010122207591939.th.jpg) (http://img339.imageshack.us/i/nba2k112010122207591939.jpg/)

:lol

MJ's like "Da fukk?" in that screenshot.
:lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 25, 2010, 12:52:39 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa3ftIqtx5A[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 25, 2010, 05:37:49 PM
That Wade missed dunk was embarrassing.  I've never seen that happen.  LOL at the players pretending this is just another game. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 25, 2010, 07:25:57 PM
Miami has looked amazing tonight. Probably their most complete game of the season. It helps of course when Lebron is knocking down threes.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 25, 2010, 08:06:46 PM
Yeah, Heat's D was really great today.  Kobe looked old with Lebron and Wade guarding him.  He wasn't able to turn the corner fast enough and had to settle for off-balanced Js almost every time.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 25, 2010, 11:55:21 PM
It seems like most of the hyped Christmas games end in blowouts. Miami dominated LA early and never let go. I don't know if they could do that in a seven game series, but they looked very good today. Wade contained Kobe very well
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 26, 2010, 01:45:21 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 25, 2010, 11:55:21 PM
It seems like most of the hyped Christmas games end in blowouts. Miami dominated LA early and never let go. I don't know if they could do that in a seven game series, but they looked very good today. Wade contained Kobe very well

The Celtics Magic game while not aesthetically pleasing was a good tight basketball game.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 26, 2010, 01:52:05 AM
Yea but that wasn't The hyped Christmas game. The main event seems to disappoint more often than not
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 26, 2010, 02:02:19 AM
Okie Thunder vs. Denver Thug-Nugs :rock
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: etiolate on December 27, 2010, 04:01:47 AM
The Heat/Lakers game was hardly watchable. Over two hours of people missing jumpshots. The defense wasn't all that intense. I saw a gimpass Bynum score easily inside. It was just an ugly, boring game.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 27, 2010, 04:06:42 AM
right, Kobe just misses easy open jumpshots...
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 28, 2010, 07:17:20 PM
Who's in for liveblogging Heat-Knicks today?

Got Celts-Pacers on right now but I doubt anyone is interested.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Beezy on December 28, 2010, 10:41:02 PM
Knicks lost, but it was a much better game than last time and much better than Heats vs. Lakers. Knicks "defense" is still extremely frustrating to watch though.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 28, 2010, 10:46:55 PM
I forgot about the heat knicks game tonight.   :-\
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 28, 2010, 11:13:34 PM
Lakers fans might have to sweat a little now.  The Spurs destroyed them even with Duncan having a very bad game.  But maybe it's just an abberation since the Lakers have owned the Spurs ever since they added Gasol. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 28, 2010, 11:18:34 PM
I was talking to my brother over Xmas and I admitted to him I'm slightly baffled by the spurs. They normally start off incredibly slow and get better as the season goes on but they are red hot right now. And isn't it the same big three still doing the bulk of the scoring. Why are they suddenly so much better? I haven't seen a spurs game this year so I don't honestly know why they are so good right now.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 28, 2010, 11:22:10 PM
The Spurs are an utterly different team. They decided to go young and run. Plus, the Big 3 came in in awesome shape and injury-free for once. They are an offense-first team now, it's kinda fun to watch!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 28, 2010, 11:31:53 PM
Interesting. I'll have to catch a Spurs game.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Mandark on December 28, 2010, 11:40:31 PM
I love that someone as accomplished (old) as Popovich was willing to install a new offense in order to give the team a better chance.  Of course, it also helps that Richard Jefferson was bombarded by cosmic rays and can now shoot 3's.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 28, 2010, 11:40:47 PM
I recommend it - Parker and Ginobili have been set free, with Duncan mostly concentrating on D.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 28, 2010, 11:52:03 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 28, 2010, 11:40:31 PM
I love that someone as accomplished (old) as Popovich was willing to install a new offense in order to give the team a better chance.  Of course, it also helps that Richard Jefferson was bombarded by cosmic rays and can now shoot 3's.

Definitely one of the most respected coaches in the game. He's like the Anti-Phil. No crazy zen shit or constant drama.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 29, 2010, 01:51:05 AM
The most amazing thing about the Spurs' offense is how devastating Parker is in transition. He's always had this ability but now he's really getting the chance to cut loose. He's a one-man fast break, which is just weird for a little guy who can barely dunk. He's as good at finishing around the basket as any little guy since Iverson.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Mandark on December 29, 2010, 01:54:54 AM
Iverson was great at drawing contact, but Parker's always looking to finish.  He's like French Rod Strickland out there.

Speaking of the Spurs, was anyone else yelling at the TV when their team passed on DeJaun Blair?  I don't care if he doesn't have any knees and might have a five year career, most guys picked in the last first round never become solid rotation players to begin with.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Himu on December 29, 2010, 01:58:05 AM
Yao :(
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on December 29, 2010, 08:15:40 PM
Haters gonna hate, but the Heat is on! :D
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 29, 2010, 11:41:41 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/news/story?id=5968193

This is the reason why I'm skeptical about the Celtics. Yeah if everybody is healthy then they are as likely as anybody to win it, but that team is old and injury prone. I just think by the time the playoffs roll around their luck won't hold up.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 30, 2010, 02:22:59 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEDsl4aBnjY&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 03, 2011, 02:33:04 AM
Lakers lost again. Which is a bit weird. I'm sure by the end of the season they will be fine but they've had an amazingly easy schedule this year.


http://espn.go.com/nba/standings/_/type/expanded

According to this they have only played 8 teams above .500 this season. Fewest in the league. They should have a record like the Spurs with that level of competition

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4cRUzI2TMU[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_bhvXtDLyk[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdP5PZvM8J0[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oRuwwxfPeY[/youtube]


Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 04, 2011, 11:11:57 PM
Heat have won 19 of their last 20.


Just saying.


Edit: And Cleveland is  8-26 with the second lowest win % in the league.

Lebron should record Cleveland tell me how my ass taste.

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UziUhf1ukw[/youtube]

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Bocsius on January 04, 2011, 11:25:01 PM
Cleveland is also like 1-17 over their last 18. Oddly symmetric.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 05, 2011, 01:35:09 PM
Since they beat the Spurs last night


[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqQ8BbkIb_4&feature=sub][/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Beezy on January 05, 2011, 01:41:43 PM
Why are Knicks games so fun to watch? Yeah I'm a fan, but when I watch most other teams play I get bored pretty quick. Is it the fast pace that they try to keep up?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 05, 2011, 01:46:19 PM
Quote from: Beezy on January 05, 2011, 01:41:43 PM
Why are Knicks games so fun to watch? Yeah I'm a fan, but when I watch most other teams play I get bored pretty quick. Is it the fast pace that they try to keep up?

I'm sure the fan thing has something to do with it but yeah its mainly their tempo. They lead the league in scoring and Mike D'Antoni is an offense first coach. When he was with the suns they were also a very fun team to watch.

The long term problem is that this style of offense doesn't tend to work in the playoffs where the game slows down and becomes more about defense but it is entertaining to watch especially during the regular season.

The Knicks are a fun team to watch. And while I don't really think the Knicks will do much damage in the playoffs if they don't get another superstar in there, they've been bad for so long, I think most people are just happy to see a hardworking team there.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Beezy on January 05, 2011, 01:48:02 PM
Okay. Also, did Amare get this many blocks on the Suns? His defense is still ass, but I guess that's something.

Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 05, 2011, 01:46:19 PM
The Knicks are a fun team to watch. And while I don't really think the Knicks will do much damage in the playoffs if they don't get another superstar in there, they've been bad for so long, I think most people are just happy to see a hardworking team there.
exactly
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 05, 2011, 01:51:38 PM
Quote from: Beezy on January 05, 2011, 01:48:02 PM
Okay. Also, did Amare get this many blocks on the Suns? His defense is still ass, but I guess that's something.

Career high average in blocks. 5th in the league in blocks. So while his positional defense still isn't great, that is something that he's getting a lot more blocks.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 05, 2011, 11:39:20 PM
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Memphis Grizzlies coach Lionel Hollins has banned gambling on team flights following a fight between two teammates over a debt from a card game.

The ban, which takes effect immediately, follows a confrontation between guards O.J. Mayo and Tony Allen during a team flight on Monday.

The team's first gambling-free excursion will begin on Friday, when the Grizzlies fly to Oklahoma City on a three-game road trip after hosting the Jazz in Memphis.

Last season, several NBA teams banned gambling on flights after a disagreement over a card game debt between then-Washington Wizards teammates Gilbert Arenas and Javaris Crittenton led to an incident in which both men brandished guns in the team's locker room.

Yahoo! Sports first reported that according to unidentified sources, Mayo owed Allen money following the game on Monday and became increasingly angry toward Allen when asked to settle the debt. Several players eventually had to separate the teammates.

Grizzlies general manager Chris Wallace acknowledged the altercation in an e-mailed statement but provided no details about what caused the skirmish. He said: "The club considers the matter closed and will not comment further."

Allen had 19 points in the Grizzlies' 110-105 victory over Oklahoma City on Tuesday night. Mayo missed Tuesday's game with bronchitis.

 :rofl
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 06, 2011, 01:47:56 AM
If I owed Tony Allen money, and I was on a plane, I'd either pay up or jump out.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 07, 2011, 08:41:10 PM
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Legal filings show frustration of Clipper GMs
January, 6, 2011

By J.A. Adande

There’s only one consistent theme that emerges from the latest filings obtained by ESPN.com in Elgin Baylor’s wrongful termination lawsuit against the Clippers: getting owner Donald Sterling to spend money on players is a daunting prospect.

Declarations from Baylor, the Clippers’ former general manager, and Mike Dunleavy, the coach who took over Baylor’s general manager duties before Dunleavy lost both jobs, were included in Baylor’s response to the Clippers’ motions for summary judgment. The Clippers' legal action, filed in November, had essentially asked the court to dismiss Baylor’s suit in which he claims he was fired on the basis of age and race.


Clipper legal counsel Robert Platt stated through the team that he would withhold comment until reviewing the documents himself.

Dunleavy said that Sterling "always told me to give him a great player and he’d pay for him, but there were several players I wanted to sign and we didn’t because Sterling refused to spend the money. The Clippers' biggest concern was making a profit."

Baylor took it a step further, adding a racial component.

"Because of the Clippers unwillingness to fairly compensate African-American players we lost a lot of good talent, including Danny Manning, Charles Smith, Michael Cage, Ron Harper, Dominique Wilkins, [Corey] Maggette and others," Baylor said.

Baylor, who describes himself as "an African-American male over the age of 40" in the declaration (the NBA Register lists his date of birth as Sept. 16, 1934), said that Sterling and Clippers president Andy Roeser made references to his age for the last 10 years of his employment and questioned his ability to still do his job.

Dunleavy referenced similar comments about Baylor’s age from the Clippers’ upper management, but Dunleavy stated, "The entire time that I worked for the Clippers, I never saw any change in Elgin’s ability to perform his duties, or that his age had any adverse impact on the performance of his duties and responsibilities as general manager."

Dunleavy said that during a team trip to Russia in 2006, Clippers officials were dining at a restaurant called Rasputin when Platt, the Clippers' attorney, told him that the Clippers thought Baylor was too old and they were going to fire him. While the Clippers told Dunleavy that Baylor only wanted to work for two more years, Dunleavy said he never heard that from Baylor, and Baylor said in his statement that he never told anyone that he wanted to retire.

Meanwhile, Dunleavy participated in the diminishing of Baylor’s power, as Dunleavy took over trade talks and draft selections, while Roeser negotiated contracts. Baylor said it reached the point that he learned of team transactions through media reports.

Dunleavy said he wanted to make Baylor aware of his increased role, but he never did so directly. Dunleavy said he tried to bring it up in a meeting with Sterling, Roeser and Baylor, but was cut off by Sterling.

Dunleavy said that "I always tried to keep Elgin in the loop and let him know what I was doing", but Baylor said he was caught off guard when Neil Olshey (whom Baylor described as "a protégé of Mike Dunleavy") was named the new director of player personnel instead of Baylor’s choice, Gary Sachs.

"There were other instances where Dunleavy negotiated deals that I learned about through the media," Baylor said.

Olshey took over the general manager job from Dunleavy last season, after Dunleavy had already been relieved of his coaching duties.

Baylor, who worked for the Clippers as an executive from 1986 to 2008, said he received only one raise in his final 16 years. He was most upset that after the team reached the second round of the playoffs in 2006 he did not receive a pay raise, while Dunleavy received a contract extension and Roeser was promoted.

Then there was this non-sequitur paragraph:

"While ignoring my suggestions and isolating me from decisions customarily reserved for general managers, the Clippers attempted to place the blame for the team’s failures on me," Baylor said in the declaration. "During this same period, players Sam Cassell, Elton Brand and Corey Maggette complained to me that DONALD STERLING would bring women into the locker room after games, while the players were showering, and make comments such as, 'Look at those beautiful black bodies.' I brought this to Sterling’s attention, but he continued to bring women into the locker room."

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/23649/legal-filings-show-frustration-of-clipper-gms

 :lol

Dude is unreal.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 07, 2011, 08:43:36 PM
I didn't know Smooth Groove was Donald Sterling
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Mandark on January 07, 2011, 11:12:23 PM
As much as I'd love to see Sterling pushed out of Clippers ownership, most of the stuff cited in that lawsuit can be chalked up to 1) general cheapness and bad management practices by Sterling, and 2) Elgin Baylor being a legitimately bad GM for most of his tenure.

Still, that bit about women in the locker room is super creepy, and he did have to settle a housing discrimination suit.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 09, 2011, 05:51:45 PM
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Sources: Nets, Nuggets 'further along'

By Chris Broussard and Marc Stein

The New Jersey Nets' attempts to acquire Denver's Carmelo Anthony are "further along" than any trade scenario that has been discussed since their near-acquisition of Anthony in late September, according to sources close to the negotiations.

A three-team deal involving the Detroit Pistons that would include at least 15 players -- with Rip Hamilton and Chauncey Billups winding up in New Jersey with Anthony -- could be completed as soon as this week, sources said.

The primary elements of the scenario currently on the table, sources said, call for New Jersey to acquire Anthony, Billups and Hamilton; Denver to land Devin Harris, Derrick Favors, Anthony Morrow and at least two first-round picks; and Detroit to acquire Troy Murphy and Johan Petro.

Other players with smaller contracts would have to be included to make the salary-cap math work.

One key to the advancing nature of negotiations, sources said, is the Nets' and Nuggets' willingness to complete a trade without asking Detroit to surrender a first-round pick.

When the talks involving Detroit as a potential third-team facilitator were first reported Friday night by the Bergen Record of New Jersey, sources told ESPN.com that the Pistons were balking largely because they were being asked to surrender a first-rounder.

Yet sources said one of the remaining potential snags is New Jersey's insistence that the Pistons absorb the contract of Petro.

The Pistons do not want to take back Petro, even though shedding Hamilton's contract in exchange for Murphy and the Nets' center would represent an overall savings of roughly $17 million.

Sources say Detroit's stance on Petro has prompted New Jersey to begin looking for a fourth team that might be willing to take on the 24-year-old big man.

The Nets turned to Detroit to help seal their months-long pursuit of Anthony after attempts to rope in Cleveland, Minnesota and Portland as a third-team facilitator failed to progress.

Any trade for Anthony, however, still hinges on the All-Star forward's willingness to sign a three-year, $65 million extension with the Nets as part of the transaction in what is known as an extend-and-trade. The Boston Celtics got the same extend-and-trade commitment from Kevin Garnett when they acquired him from Minnesota in July 2007.

The Nets have made it clear that they will not agree to an Anthony deal without getting his signature on an extension a la Garnett. ESPN.com reported last month that the Nets plan to request permission -- and have already been told they will receive it -- to meet with Anthony face-to-face if a trade agreement is eventually struck with Denver. That would allow owner Mikhail Prokhorov and part-owner Jay-Z to lead a Nets contingent that would try to lobby the Brooklyn-born Anthony directly on the team's future, with the Nets planning to move to Brooklyn in time for the 2012-13 season.

The Nets long ago committed to send prized rookie Favors, former All-Star Harris and at least two first-round picks to the Nuggets in exchange for Anthony.

But New Jersey has been attempting to find a third team to help facilitate the blockbuster deal for Anthony that they've been chasing since the September collapse of a four-team swap involving Charlotte and Utah.

One source close to the situation insisted Sunday that the Nets -- optimistic as this sounds -- believe a face-to-face meeting with Prokhorov won't even be necessary to get Anthony's signoff if New Jersey can indeed acquire Billups and Hamilton. It was not immediately clear, though, how Denver native Billups' reported desire to seek a buyout if he's traded by his hometown team to the Nets would affect Anthony's stance.

What did seem clear Sunday is that the talks have taken on their most serious tone since the negotiations in February that would have landed Harris in Charlotte and Jazz veteran Andrei Kirilenko in Denver.

The New York Knicks remain Anthony's strongly preferred destination, sources say, but Denver has shown little interest in the Knicks' assets (such as Wilson Chandler, Landry Fields and Danilo Gallinari) and have been negotiating almost exclusively with the Nets for weeks.

With Favors and a cache of first-round picks it can move, New Jersey has a far more attractive war chest of trade assets. It likewise appears the Nets will not abandon their pursuit of Anthony until they're told directly by the All-Star forward that he would not sign an extension with them, which is the message some sources close to the process still believe New Jersey will get, as reported in December by ESPN.com's Chris Sheridan.

Nets officials, though, have remained quietly confident for months that Anthony, born in Brooklyn, ultimately would agree to the extension -- no matter how much he'd prefer to play in New York -- to ensure that he locks in his contract before labor negotiations this summer that are expected to establish a much more restrictive financial landscape in the league.

One source close to the talks said Sunday afternoon that the deal could be clinched if the Nets can find a fourth team willing to absorb Petro's salary. Detroit has been restricted in its attempts to make roster moves in recent months because of the team's pending sale, but sources told ESPN.com on Friday that the Pistons would be very interested if a trade scenario developed where they only had to surrender Hamilton and take back Murphy.

The Nets and Nuggets, meanwhile, have not stopped looking for other teams beyond Detroit that would be interested in joining the trade, since Denver does not have a strong need for Harris with young guard Ty Lawson on the roster. New Jersey and Denver have likewise continued to discuss trade possibilities with the Nuggets that don't involve any other teams.

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=6005596
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Beezy on January 09, 2011, 06:07:40 PM
Nets! :maf
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 09, 2011, 06:36:49 PM
Don't worry, Beezy.  Melo is just a 2nd tier superstar who won't lead any mid-level team to a championship.  Personally, I don't get the hoopla over where he's going since it's almost a given that he's not going to a top 8 contender. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 09, 2011, 10:10:52 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on January 09, 2011, 06:36:49 PM
Don't worry, Beezy.  Melo is just a 2nd tier superstar who won't lead any mid-level team to a championship.  Personally, I don't get the hoopla over where he's going since it's almost a given that he's not going to a top 8 contender. 

smh
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 09, 2011, 10:15:20 PM
Melo's PER in the playoffs the last 3 years is about 23 and his defense is still subpar most of the time.  2nd-tier might be even an overestimation of his talent. 

Keep in mind I'm talking about "Superstars" not just All-Stars. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 10, 2011, 12:44:55 AM
The heat won tonight against portland in OT and lebron and wade combined for 78 points. Add in Bosh and they scored 96 of Miami's 107 points. The big three took 65 of the total 79 shots for the team.  They all played over 40 minutes.



It's so weird to see a team that is truly only three players. Has to be some concern this will wear them out by the time the playoffs get here I would think. 



Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 10, 2011, 01:28:31 AM
vs what? Carrying teams all by their lonesome? They'll be fine.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Mandark on January 10, 2011, 02:09:59 AM
Teams rely on two or three players to carry the offense all the time.  Jordan's Bulls, the Shaq/Kobe Lakers, the Shaq/Wade Heat, the Duncan/Parker/Ginobili Spurs, etc.

It seems less common for teams to make the finals by spreading it around like the Pistons and Mavericks did recently.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 10, 2011, 03:58:55 AM
LeBron is out-and-out playing the heel now, great stuff. Kobe must love him for it.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Mandark on January 10, 2011, 04:02:02 AM
This just means that when the Heat win their inevitable title (maybe not this year), I'll have to keep hearing about how LeBron's body language showed that he developed a "killer instinct" and an "edge" that finally let him break through to the championship level.

Rather than, you know, trading Boobie Gibson for Dwyane Wade.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 10, 2011, 04:05:30 AM
Yeah well, announcers have 3hrs a night to fill with bullshit, just don't let it annoy you too much ;)

Being in Japan isolates me nicely from sports radio and most of the rest of sports media, I guess. If I can shut out the announcers, I'm good. So what else was worth watching today? All I saw was Miami-Portland. No idea about the rest of the results.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Bacchus7 on January 10, 2011, 04:12:24 AM
It is so fucking frustrating being a Portland fan, jesus fuck. Seven point lead with 2:13 to go in the 4th, where is the fucking composure? Whatever, let's land our 7th or 8th seed in the playoffs and lose to the Spurs/Mavs/Lakers in 6. I'm cool with it. At least Lamarcus Aldridge has figured out that he has beast potential over the course of his last ten-fifteen games, and Matthews is developing his game nicely.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Bacchus7 on January 10, 2011, 04:14:16 AM
Double posting 'cause I'm also pissed that this is the first time I've actually clicked on this thread, since the whole time I assumed it was about a video game. Yeah, I know there are video game forums, yada yada, but it's the bore, so I thought it might've just been let slid.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 10, 2011, 04:38:50 AM
Composure? You were beat by a team with far superior talent that just turned up the screws defensively and is unstoppable on the offensive end. A 7pt lead is nothing against the Heat. Portland could be as composed like Beethoven's 5th and still not have a chance.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 10, 2011, 11:08:07 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYzsMinXUPo&feature=sub[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 10, 2011, 11:11:30 PM
That's sick.  His knee was at the face level of the Knick who's several inches taller. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Bocsius on January 10, 2011, 11:44:33 PM
Eh, that's nothing. I think I saw Blake Griffin's whole body go through the rim last week on SportsCenter. Did a triple somersault with such perfect execution that the net didn't even move.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 11, 2011, 02:48:09 AM
The Heat now have the best win percentage and the #1 seed right now in the eastern conference.

Just saying.


Orlando has quietly strung 9 in a row together with their new squad.

And Cleveland is officially the worst team in the league according to their win percentage.  If they continue at the current pace they will finish with a record of 18-64. Last year they went 61-21 just to make that comparison.


Where's the Dan Gilbert smack talk now?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Beezy on January 11, 2011, 03:54:38 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on January 10, 2011, 11:11:30 PM
That's sick.  His knee was at the face level of the Knick who's several inches taller. 
Piston, not Knick.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Mandark on January 11, 2011, 03:57:00 AM
Blake Griffin once ran into the shot clock while dunking.  He was out for the rest of the game with a stubbed toe.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2011, 04:28:33 AM
seems like half the "omgwtfbbq" plays I've seen this year feature someone posterizing the Pistons or Knicks lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 11, 2011, 06:08:00 AM
Celtics lost a couple of winnable home games in a row for no real reason that I can see. Great opportunity for the Heat to pull ahead a bit. The regular season is gonna be fun as hell down the stretch because all the top teams will still be playing their asses off every night. There will be no relaxing this year, in either conference. I love it.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Bocsius on January 11, 2011, 11:38:48 PM
Why is the halftime score of LAL-CLE 57 to 25?

And Kobe only has 2 points.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 12, 2011, 12:21:16 AM
Kobe was trying to prove that Cavs aren't that much worse off without Lebron but that plan obviously backfired. 

Seriously though, there should be a NBDL relegation rule for teams that lose by 50 pts in the slow pace of the modern NBA. 

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 12, 2011, 01:24:49 AM
Well, the Cavs just lost Varejao to injury, so they have exactly no serviceable big men right now (Hickson :lol). I have no interest in watching the game but i'm pretty sure Pau, Bynum and Odom are just feasting on their front line.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 12, 2011, 01:27:39 AM
Lebron on twitter, ""Crazy. Karma is a b****.. Gets you every time. Its not good to wish bad on anybody. God sees everything!"

 :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 12, 2011, 01:56:47 AM
love the LeBron heel turn. Next he should erect a giant poster of himself getting blown by Gilbert's wife in downtown Miami or something
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 12, 2011, 02:15:37 AM
Mo Williams tweet:

This shit is embarrassing. I feel like I can't even show my face in Cleve

 :lol :lol :lol :lol

This would be a fun time to revisit Mo's push for an All-Star berth, on LeBron's coattails :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 12, 2011, 12:41:10 PM
LeBron is an ass but I like him now more than I did a few years ago. The Gilbert blowup was more pathetic than The Decision imo. They'll be in the dumpster for years
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: etiolate on January 12, 2011, 05:05:58 PM
Did Lebron just admit God knows he's a spoiled douche?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 12, 2011, 05:09:14 PM
Lebron James.

:bow2


I love him more this season than before.


Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 12, 2011, 08:08:34 PM
LeBron vs Blake Griffin on the cards today  :hyper

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 12, 2011, 08:16:32 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 12, 2011, 12:41:10 PM
LeBron is an ass but I like him now more than I did a few years ago. The Gilbert blowup was more pathetic than The Decision imo. They'll be in the dumpster for years

That's cuz most of the "class acts" in sports are just phonies who keep quiet so that people don't find out their true characters.  It's still hilarious how Americans are still constantly shocked when they discovered those formerly classy athletes are pervs or cheaters. 

The media is just pissed at Lebron for not following along and spouting all the cliches that they love to hear. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 12, 2011, 08:20:59 PM
LeBron has never really been a "selfish" player. Sure dude is clearly an ass, but I've never gotten the impression that he treats teammates/opponents like shit, ala Jordan and Kobe :teehee

Can't wait for the complete media 360 when LeBron gets his ring.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 12, 2011, 08:21:18 PM
That's what makes twitter so much fun, although it is hardly what I'd call unfiltered. It at least gives occasional glimpses into the smack talk that you KNOW has to be going on on the court.

The odds seem very high that Chris Bosh or LeBron is gonna get posterized tonight, should be fun!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: OptimoPeach on January 12, 2011, 08:34:30 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on January 12, 2011, 08:16:32 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 12, 2011, 12:41:10 PM
LeBron is an ass but I like him now more than I did a few years ago. The Gilbert blowup was more pathetic than The Decision imo. They'll be in the dumpster for years

That's cuz most of the "class acts" in sports are just phonies who keep quiet so that people don't find out their true characters.  It's still hilarious how Americans are still constantly shocked when they discovered those formerly classy athletes are pervs or cheaters. 

The media is just pissed at Lebron for not following along and spouting all the cliches that they love to hear. 
+1

I've been quietly hoping he gets a ring every season for like four seasons now. Between the internet backlash and the butthurt from all the blowhard sports pundits in the media, there would probably be enough schadenfreude to last until their next championship

I didn't watch that Cavs game, but I read that the Lakers could have gone scoreless in the second half and still would have made it to overtime :rofl
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: etiolate on January 12, 2011, 09:26:44 PM
I haven't found the sports pundits to be butthurt that Lebron came out as an ass. Since talking about him is the push then they'll just accept his ego and go along with the whole agenda of their employer. Same old parroting.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 12, 2011, 09:29:30 PM
Even if LeBron had stayed in Cleveland, the sports media would all be talking about him anyway. He's the pre-eminent player right now, and has drawn more media attention than anyone except possibly Kobe since his rookie year. The Decision is just the latest chapter.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 12, 2011, 11:21:31 PM
Clips are giving heat a lot of problems. May be the end of that road streak tonight.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 12, 2011, 11:23:05 PM
Could be - the Clips look a hell of a lot better than they did earlier in the season, since Baron seems to be giving a crap and have played himself into shape - but the Heat typically run away with it on in the 3rd and 4th, after the other guys are tired/in foul trouble. Good game so far, highlights a plenty!
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Post by: Smooth Groove on January 12, 2011, 11:36:23 PM
Damn, that 1st quarter was really exciting.  Maybe I should have pestered my dad's friend for some box seats.  He used to invite me to big games like this but I've been too lazy to drive out to Staples this whole season. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 12, 2011, 11:43:59 PM
Yeah, that reminds me of the Odom-Brand-Maggette-D-Miles Clippers actually. Just a crazy dunkathon.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 13, 2011, 06:30:18 PM
http://nbaplaybook.com/2011/01/13/a-beautiful-play-by-gregg-popovich-puts-the-game-away/

Just amazing how this gets the whole Bucks team tied up in a knot, with Parker and Duncan wide open. Brilliant play.

[youtube=560,345]RJO5MVOFI-8&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
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Post by: Stoney Mason on January 13, 2011, 09:50:55 PM
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Details of Allen vs. Mayo fight emerge

JAN 13

By Chris Broussard

Sources have brought me up to speed on the details of Allen/Mayo I, and judging by the fruit of this fight -- a black eye for O.J. Mayo and a fine for Tony Allen -- there will not be a rematch.

I'm told the two Memphis Grizzlies players, who are actually friends, scuffled over a debt of $7,500 that Mayo owed to Allen after losing in the card game Bourre.

Allen, regarded as one of the toughest guys in the league, tried to avoid a confrontation, but Mayo trash-talked Allen for roughly 15 minutes, criticizing his game, bragging about how he was a better basketball player than Allen, about how he was a lottery pick.

Allen was especially bothered by Mayo's chatter because they have a friendly relationship. Zach Randolph tried to play peacemaker, telling Mayo to stop ribbing Allen, but to no avail.

Finally, Allen had enough and struck Mayo in the face. He then landed a succession of blows to Mayo's eye, mouth, shoulder and the side of his head. Mayo was able to get off a swing, but Allen ducked to avoid it and then clocked Mayo once more for good measure.

As Apollo Creed said to the young upstart Rocky Balboa, "Ain't gonna' be no rematch.''
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 14, 2011, 01:02:01 AM
Lebron out hurt tonight. Miami drops two in a row.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 14, 2011, 01:29:38 AM
Karma is a b**** I guess
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 15, 2011, 03:35:40 AM
Man, watching Blake Griffin play is kinda terrifying :lol

He's must-see TV though. Derrick Rose and Rondo are the only ones who can match him for sheer entertainment value, albeit in different ways. Griffin tries about 4 or 5 plays a game that don't come off but even those build up the excitement to crazy levels. And when it comes together, holy shit.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 17, 2011, 01:06:10 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqP_wJLPVxI[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 17, 2011, 01:08:46 AM
Blake didn't do a thing wrong there, but he is feisty for sure. Did you see him get into it with Chalmers the other night? He was out for blood on the next play after they got double techs. I think he's gonna turn into one of those guys that you have to be careful not to piss off, because he'll just decide to single-handedly beat you if you do.
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Post by: Smooth Groove on January 17, 2011, 01:53:26 AM
Blake is a beast.  Lakers were focused on stopping him and they did in the first half but those young legs eventually were just too much for the Lakers' frontline.  Gasol looked so small guarding Blake even though he's a couple of inches taller. 
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 17, 2011, 02:18:34 AM
Right. He's just always looking for the ball, with bad intentions on his mind. The energy level is just nuts - his replica jersey should come pre-soaked with sweat so the fans recognize it. Fucking amazing to watch.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 17, 2011, 02:32:57 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on January 17, 2011, 01:53:26 AM
Blake is a beast.  Lakers were focused on stopping him and they did in the first half but those young legs eventually were just too much for the Lakers' frontline.  Gasol looked so small guarding Blake even though he's a couple of inches taller. 
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN0CbEuzO4A&feature=sub[/youtube]

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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 17, 2011, 07:02:12 PM
Jeez, every team in the league is playing today I guess. No MLK holiday for me over here but i'm gonna try to watch 3 or 4 games on League Pass while I work. I have Clips - Pacers on now, then Magic - Celtics next. Probably Thunder - Lakers after that but maybe Knicks - Suns or Hawks - Heat. Any tips on the other games? Any close/fun ones so far?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 17, 2011, 07:06:22 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 17, 2011, 07:02:12 PM
Jeez, every team in the league is playing today I guess.

And the black man gets screwed out of his own holiday. How ironic.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 17, 2011, 07:20:52 PM
Blake had a pretty nasty game tonight.

47 pts. 17 rebs.

FG 19-24
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 17, 2011, 08:46:31 PM
Griffin really impressed me with his footwork in college, and his ballhandling is damn good too. I just wonder how long he'll keep this pace up as the losses start stacking up over the years. Sort of like how players get "Lionized" here in Detroit: they arrive on the team ready to work, and after a few seasons they're just collecting pay checks.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 17, 2011, 09:02:49 PM
I may be proven wrong but I think he's already over that phase of Clipper depression. In the early going, he was fired up like now, but the team didn't respond (specifically Baron). That was followed by a slump, wherein they lost games and Blake's body language went in the shitter. Lots of moody glares and slumped shoulders - you know, like a real Clipper. But they seem to have gotten past that. Baron has bought in, and they have their own energy (i.e. they don't need a big opponent like the Lakers to lift them so much).
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Post by: Smooth Groove on January 17, 2011, 09:37:56 PM
I've been really surprised by how good Blake has been.  When Blake was drafted by the Clippers, I checked out his college highlights and thought that at best, he was gonna be an almost All-Star for the first couple of years in Clipperland.  What's weird is that Blake wasn't as explosive in college as he is now, even though it's much easier to dominate the college game with athleticism.  His average jump now looks at least six inches higher which is quite significant.  It's also clear that Blake has gained much upper body strength since leaving college while maintaining his agility.  Kudos to him for putting that much hard work into the gym.  It's rare to see someone who's already an elite athlete improve so much in such a short time. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 17, 2011, 10:11:39 PM
Blake has turned me into a believer. I wasn't that big on him but he's such an athletic freak and he seems like he wants to improve his game which is always the key element. Chris Webber was also an amazing athletic freak. But he never really developed into what you thought he could become if he worked at his game more. We'll see if Blake has that desire which takes awhile to gauge into an NBA career. He does need to leave the clippers the first chance he gets though. Resigning with them would be the biggest mistake ever.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 17, 2011, 10:23:36 PM
Nah, as a huge Webber fan (his Kings #4 is the only jersey I own), he's nowhere near as athletic as Blake. And I'd say he did develop his game fully. He just was never a defensive intimidator 'cause that wasn't his personality - otherwise his game was as well-rounded as anyone to ever play that position, and he was a legit MVP candidate at points. Not sure he had much upside left, other than obviously playing more years without injury.

Blake strikes me as halfway between LeBron and Shawn Kemp. He has a lot of skills that we're only just beginning to see.
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Post by: Smooth Groove on January 17, 2011, 10:32:42 PM
Blake remind me a lot of Shawn Kemp which is awesome since Kemp is one of my all-time favorites.  At the same age, Blake is more developed offensively but Shawn was a more consistent and better defender.  Athletically, Shawn probably had a slight advantage but Blake seems to have better hands, which allow him to do stuff with the ball quicker and more frequently. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 17, 2011, 10:35:02 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 17, 2011, 10:23:36 PM
Nah, as a huge Webber fan (his Kings #4 is the only jersey I own), he's nowhere near as athletic as Blake. And I'd say he did develop his game fully. He just was never a defensive intimidator 'cause that wasn't his personality - otherwise his game was as well-rounded as anyone to ever play that position, and he was a legit MVP candidate at points. Not sure he had much upside left, other than obviously playing more years without injury.

Blake strikes me as halfway between LeBron and Shawn Kemp. He has a lot of skills that we're only just beginning to see.

I think C-Webb always had a shit post game (as in actual post moves rather than just dunking the ball up close) and for a guy to be that big and powerful that was disappointing and a glaring hole in his game for me. Some players are thin and sleight and tall so I understand why they sort of devolve into jump shooters but I never liked his post game and it often cost him big during clutch moments when I watched him. (Although I admit I didn't watch the Kings every night during their runs)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 17, 2011, 10:36:05 PM
To clarify - Webber was definitely a physical freak in some ways (amazing wingspan, huge soft hands, great agility for his size) and he was certainly above average athletically for his position, but not #1 in the league or anything. It's not hard to find plenty of players that played when he did that had him beat for sheer athleticism at the 4 - Rodman, Kemp etc

Blake's athleticism is also probably comparable to the young Karl Malone, but Malone of course didn't have any outside game 'til quite a bit later. Blake's full package is looking much more like LeBron - great unselfish passer, can lead the break, can hit jumpers out to 20 feet, can score with either hand around the basket...what doesn't this guy do? Maybe weak-side shot block? But clearly he will be devastating there once he gets the timing down and learns better positioning.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 17, 2011, 10:40:05 PM
Stoney - yeah, Webber had the baby hook later in his career and that was about it for post game. Which is why the prospect of Orlando getting him and Shaq in consecutive years is so tantalizing. They'd have ruled the league (well ok, not the Bulls. But everybody else). But I'd take a player with clearly defined strengths and weaknesses rather than all-round mediocrity any day. Like with Rondo - ok, he can't shoot much. But he makes it work! It gives drunks in sports bars who only see the Celtics twice a season an easy talking point, and an excuse not to put him on the All Star team maybe, but it doesn't make much practical difference. He wins games, and so did C-Webb.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 17, 2011, 10:46:52 PM
Webber's biggest advantage was his ball handling ability, which probably wasn't matched by anyone at his size besides Magic.  However, that also became his greatest weakness as he depended on his face-up game far too much, which is always less effective in the playoffs. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 17, 2011, 10:48:51 PM
I hear ya

What always struck me about Webber was that small man in a big man's body thing. His body size and type is similar to blake. Both around 6 ft 10 in and both played around 245 to 250. But they were both far more athletic than people are who usually exist around that combination weight and size. That's why Webber's relative softness around the bucket always so disappointed. I would traded some of his other skills for some ferciousness near the rim and I honestly think he would have been a better player. That's not to take anything away from Webber who had a good career. I just think he should have had an absolutely all time great career with the talent level he had when he entered the NBA.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 17, 2011, 10:53:02 PM
Well, that was the Curse of MJ, right? Every kid wanted to Be Like Mike. It's still affecting the league - LeBron should be a 4 as well, the stats back this up resoundingly.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: etiolate on January 17, 2011, 10:54:33 PM
I don't think Webber was that soft around the bucket. The Princeton offense just features the big man at the high post. You also have to get whistles to play inside and Blake already gets star treatment. You take a lot of bruising inside and if you don't get whistles, you don't keep going inside. It's just not worth shortening your career to take punishment which leads to tougher shots and then have nothing to show for it.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 17, 2011, 11:04:24 PM
Yeah, but that's why they installed the Princeton offense :lol

Webber ran out of GSW cause they wanted him to play in the paint. And leaned on Rasheed in Washington.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: etiolate on January 17, 2011, 11:46:49 PM
they installed the princeton because Rick and Petrie are butt buddies with Pete Carroll

the old man is still around when everyone else is gone
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 18, 2011, 12:24:43 AM
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0117/la_g_griffin1_300.jpg)

Form looks pretty good here.  Scary as hell if his outside efficiency just reaches the level of Amare. 
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Post by: Mandark on January 18, 2011, 12:51:10 AM
It's not like he played differently when he was a Bullet, though.

His FT/FG ratio is about half that of aggressive PF's like Malone, Kemp, Stoudemire, etc.  He always preferred the midrange face-up game to crashing the rim.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 18, 2011, 01:54:03 AM
Exactly. He was much more interested in being Magic or MJ than Malone. Just like LeBron.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 18, 2011, 10:32:57 PM
Various injuries of course but the heat have dropped 4 in a row. Shows how utterly thin they are. If somebody gets really hurt or has to miss any real time, they suck.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 18, 2011, 10:38:43 PM
The good news for the Heat is that they're so dominant on the road.  A lower seed might not matter if they're healthy come playoffs time.  Of course, they'll have to take the risk of getting screwed by typically shitty home-biased NBA officiating. 
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Post by: Stoney Mason on January 19, 2011, 06:36:37 PM
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Nets drop Carmelo Anthony deal

NEWARK, N.J. -- New Jersey Nets owner Mikhail Prokhorov has told the team to end discussions on the Carmelo Anthony deal.



In a news conference before Wednesday night's game against Utah, Prokhorov said he decided on Tuesday to stop pursuit of the Nuggets' All-Star forward, unhappy with how things played out in public.

The new owner says the deal took too long and became too expensive.

"I'm not happy with the way ... this deal has gone until now," said Prokhorov. "It has taken too long. It has been played out in public and it certainly has taken a toll on the players and I believe that it has cost us several games. I think management did a great job, but there comes a time when the price is simply too expensive. I'm instructing our team to walk away from the deal.

"And the meeting that our management was supposed to have in Denver with Carmelo [on Thursday] is hereby canceled."

Prokhorov said the goal is still to win a championship within five years.

Previously, New Jersey had offered to ship six players and at least two first-round draft picks to Denver in a deal that would have sent Anthony to the Nets along with former Pistons teammates Chauncey Billups and Richard Hamilton.

Derrick Favors, the 19-year-old rookie who was rumored to be the centerpiece in the multiple-player deal, was shocked upon hearing the news in the locker room before the game.

"I don't have to worry about it no more," Favors said. "It's over with. This is my first time hearing it. I'm excited."

Said Prokhorov: "We will come back to the table every time we need the right player for the team. But really I'm not ready to overpay. Because as soon as you make a mistake in the NBA, you can wait for the next chance for the next five or six years. That's why I prefer to be really patient and I want to thank the New Jersey fans for their patience."

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=6038636
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2011, 06:50:23 PM
If he wanted to buy championships he should have just bought a baseball team. Nets aren't going anywhere with Miami and Orlando in the conference. And the Lakers in the west
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 19, 2011, 10:07:53 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpC_ujWd3VI[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 19, 2011, 10:22:04 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on January 09, 2011, 06:36:49 PM
Melo is just a 2nd tier superstar who won't lead any mid-level team to a championship. 

Nailed it. 

Dummy NBA teams took half a season to come to the same conclusion. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 19, 2011, 11:09:54 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on January 19, 2011, 10:22:04 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on January 09, 2011, 06:36:49 PM
Melo is just a 2nd tier superstar who won't lead any mid-level team to a championship. 

Nailed it. 

Dummy NBA teams took half a season to come to the same conclusion. 

Gimme your list of FIRST tier stars that led mid-level teams to a championship please. Not even Jordan's Bulls qualify there. Kobe couldn't do it. LeBron couldn't do it. Dwight Howard couldn't do it. Chris Paul couldn't do it. In other words, no current superstar (and very few in the past) has demonstrated the ability to do what you're describing. So why the hate for Melo? The question should be: is he better than say Wilson Chandler and Danilo Malinari? Hell yes he is. Make the trade.
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Post by: Smooth Groove on January 19, 2011, 11:35:54 PM
I haven't checked out all of Jordan's championship teams but his last team to win it all was definitely mid level at best.  Pippen and Kukoc were the only other two players with a PER greater than 15 which is really rare for a championship team. 

Also, just because Lebron failed, it doesn't mean that his failure puts him at the same level as Melo.  I don't hate Melo but I just think the gap between him and Lebron/Dwyane is much bigger than most believe.  It's just not worth the trouble to get him when 1) he won't turn the teams trying to get him into legit contenders this year, 2) it's obvious that he's not extending with anyone but the Knicks.  Like I said in my original post, all the hype over a Melo trade only makes sense if he's going to a top 8 team, which most likely won't happen.  You have to wonder, if Melo's really that damn good, why no top contender is going for a blockbuster trade to put them over the top,at least for this season. 
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 19, 2011, 11:48:28 PM
Pippen took that same team to the Conference Finals without Jordan? No way were they a 'mid-level team' - which is about 40 wins, 8th playoff seed.

I'll grant that Melo is not as good as LeBron/Wade but again, that's not the issue. New York and the Nets tried and failed to get those guys. It's not happening. The issue is whether it's worth moving some of the fairly mediocre talent they have plus some picks to try to get a guy who has been an All-Star virtually his whole career, and barring injury, will be one of the all-time scoring leaders in league history.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 19, 2011, 11:52:33 PM
Poor ch1nchilla is trying to convince himself that Melo ain't all that, and that J.R. Smith is 'the future' :lol
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Post by: Smooth Groove on January 19, 2011, 11:57:47 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 19, 2011, 11:48:28 PM
Pippen took that same team to the Conference Finals without Jordan? No way were they a 'mid-level team' - which is about 40 wins, 8th playoff seed.

I was talking about the very last of the 6 championship teams, not the last of the 1st three peat.  And yeah, that Pippen led team was pretty damn good.  I've always believed the 1st 3-peat Bulls were more talented even though they didn't get the 70 win season. 
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Post by: Mandark on January 20, 2011, 12:01:55 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on January 19, 2011, 11:35:54 PM
You have to wonder, if Melo's really that damn good, why no top contender is going for a blockbuster trade to put them over the top,at least for this season. 

Cause no top contender has the assets to get him without giving away a core piece of their team, plus several of them already have an elite scorer1.  You think Orlando wouldn't have jumped at the chance to get him?

Carmelo's not as good as LeBron or Wade, but he's absolutely a franchise player you could build a championship team around.  There are relatively few guys at that level, and if you can get one of them you do it.




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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 20, 2011, 12:03:57 AM
Man, it seems like forever since the Mavs last won a game. Thankfully they pulled through tonight, maybe this means they're finally getting things turned around.
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Post by: Mandark on January 20, 2011, 12:04:10 AM
20 in a row for the Wizards!  :spin
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 20, 2011, 12:04:23 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on January 19, 2011, 11:57:47 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 19, 2011, 11:48:28 PM
Pippen took that same team to the Conference Finals without Jordan? No way were they a 'mid-level team' - which is about 40 wins, 8th playoff seed.

I was talking about the very last of the 6 championship teams, not the last of the 1st three peat.  And yeah, that Pippen led team was pretty damn good.  I've always believed the 1st 3-peat Bulls were more talented even though they didn't get the 70 win season. 

Well, even if I give you that one, all that is really proving is that Melo is not quite MJ. Put MJ in his prime on any Nuggets team of the past 6 years and they'd have won at least 3 rings. But you are still asking waaaaay too much of Melo. Some team is gonna get really lucky now, and it's probably gonna be the Knicks. I'm not saying the Knicks are going to be instant contenders in the East, because that's a very top-heavy conference right now. But they'll definitely be better and anybody not named Amare should be considered in the trade talks.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 20, 2011, 12:07:51 AM
Quote from: Mandark on January 20, 2011, 12:01:55 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on January 19, 2011, 11:35:54 PM
You have to wonder, if Melo's really that damn good, why no top contender is going for a blockbuster trade to put them over the top,at least for this season. 

Cause no top contender has the assets to get him without giving away a core piece of their team, plus several of them already have an elite scorer1.  You think Orlando wouldn't have jumped at the chance to get him?

Carmelo's not as good as LeBron or Wade, but he's absolutely a franchise player you could build a championship team around.  There are relatively few guys at that level, and if you can get one of them you do it.




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I think "franchise player" is thrown around too often.  Franchise player makes me think of guys like Magic, Bird, Kareem, Jordan, Shaq, Duncan and yes, Lebron, who dominated most of the playoff series they played in.  Melo with a career playoff PER of 19.4, clearly isn't on that level.  It doesn't mean that he won't win a championship, he'll just need a lot more help than the aforementioned true franchise players.  
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 20, 2011, 12:15:03 AM
People fall into the same trap with Melo as they did with Webber - focusing on the glaring weakness rather than the multitude of strengths.

OK, Melo can't or won't defend much. Ergo he is not as good as LeBron, who plays both ends. Sure, that's an easy talking point. You will win every barroom argument with that one. But try to keep it in perspective. Damn near everyone in the NBA has these weaknesses, and every good coach or GM knows how to work around them. Example: Steve Nash. The Suns aren't going to start Goran Dragovic over Steve Nash because he is a better defender. Sure, if they could get Chris Paul or Rondo, they'd consider trading Nash. But there aren't many players that would be significant improvements, and what they'd have to give up to get that player would likely weaken them at 2 or 3 other spots. There is very little point in all these attempts to grade players vs some theoretical perfect player. If Jordan was playing today, there would be people who bitched about his long-range shooting, I guarantee. Who cares, he won games! He was playing beside Kerr, Pippen and Kukoc, some of the all-time great 3pt shooters! That's how you need to approach someone like Melo.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 20, 2011, 12:16:37 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on January 20, 2011, 12:07:51 AM
Quote from: Mandark on January 20, 2011, 12:01:55 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on January 19, 2011, 11:35:54 PM
You have to wonder, if Melo's really that damn good, why no top contender is going for a blockbuster trade to put them over the top,at least for this season. 

Cause no top contender has the assets to get him without giving away a core piece of their team, plus several of them already have an elite scorer1.  You think Orlando wouldn't have jumped at the chance to get him?

Carmelo's not as good as LeBron or Wade, but he's absolutely a franchise player you could build a championship team around.  There are relatively few guys at that level, and if you can get one of them you do it.




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I think "franchise player" is thrown around too often.  Franchise player makes me think of guys like Magic, Bird, Kareem, Jordan, Shaq, Duncan and yes, Lebron, who dominated most of the playoff series they played in.  Melo with a career playoff PER of 19.4, clearly isn't on that level.  It doesn't mean that he won't win a championship, he'll just need a lot more help than the aforementioned true franchise players.  

Oooh, hindsight! Now I gotta ask - did you consider Jordan a franchise player before he beat the Pistons? Did you think KG was a perennial loser before he came to the Celtics?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Mandark on January 20, 2011, 12:21:02 AM
Okay, if "franchise player" means top-7 all time in the history of the NBA, then yes, he's not that.  I already conceded that Wade and LeBron are better players.

But then you're getting into the Bill Simmons area of making distinctions within excellence.  Which is all well and good to do as a fan, but basically misses the point of whether a team should be going after him.

Could he be the most important, influential player on a championship team or contender?  Definitely yes.

Is it easy to acquire players with a similar level of talent?  Definitely no.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 20, 2011, 12:26:13 AM
The other major problem i have with the 'glass half full' mentality I'm attempting to describe above is that people tend to just say that's why Player X didn't win a championship. But really, could Webber have won against Kobe and Shaq in their primes if he'd played more in the post? Or AI if he'd taken better shots? Could Nash have beat the Lakers with Kobe, Pau and Odom if he's played more D?

The reality is: NO. They needed better personnel more than they needed to work on those weaknesses. Like any RPG character, you get a lot more mileage out of maxing out strengths than shoring up weaknesses.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 20, 2011, 12:26:23 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 20, 2011, 12:16:37 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on January 20, 2011, 12:07:51 AM
Quote from: Mandark on January 20, 2011, 12:01:55 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on January 19, 2011, 11:35:54 PM
You have to wonder, if Melo's really that damn good, why no top contender is going for a blockbuster trade to put them over the top,at least for this season. 

Cause no top contender has the assets to get him without giving away a core piece of their team, plus several of them already have an elite scorer1.  You think Orlando wouldn't have jumped at the chance to get him?

Carmelo's not as good as LeBron or Wade, but he's absolutely a franchise player you could build a championship team around.  There are relatively few guys at that level, and if you can get one of them you do it.




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[2] Which is why you go after players like Carmelo Anthony!
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I think "franchise player" is thrown around too often.  Franchise player makes me think of guys like Magic, Bird, Kareem, Jordan, Shaq, Duncan and yes, Lebron, who dominated most of the playoff series they played in.  Melo with a career playoff PER of 19.4, clearly isn't on that level.  It doesn't mean that he won't win a championship, he'll just need a lot more help than the aforementioned true franchise players.  

Oooh, hindsight! Now I gotta ask - did you consider Jordan a franchise player before he beat the Pistons? Did you think KG was a perennial loser before he came to the Celtics?

As a kid, I thought it was pretty clear that MJ was an all-time great even before he won a championship.  When I got a little older and gained a little more understanding of statistical analysis, it was also clear to me that KG was actually a pretty damn good playoff performer.  

In the case of Melo, it's not just his D that is subpar.  The rest of his game is also overrated.  Like I mentioned before, his career playoff PER is only a 19.1.  PER is mostly affected by offensive performance and rebounding.  A 19.1 means that a player is very good but far from elite.  Melo has played enough playoff games that it's not just an anomaly from a small sample.  
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 20, 2011, 12:26:55 AM
also, Mandark, I'm so wet for you right now. Seriously. Dripping.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 20, 2011, 12:30:27 AM
Average PER over his whole playoff career doesn't mean that much right now - out of the past 4 yrs he's been 22-24

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anthoca01.html
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 20, 2011, 12:31:17 AM
Even "choker" Karl Malone had a 23.9 career playoffs PER despite the last 3 years as an old dude dropping him quite a bit.  
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 20, 2011, 12:33:23 AM
Hmm, methinks if the Knicks or the Nets had the chance to sign Karl Malone in his prime they wouldn't sweat that too much.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 20, 2011, 12:36:28 AM
Actually I'm not sure if I'm really disagreeing with you guys.  I guess my main point was just that the public perception of Melo's value is quite a bit higher than it really is but you could probably say that about many other athletes. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Mandark on January 20, 2011, 12:42:32 AM
Yeah, I've been saying.  I don't think anyone here places Anthony at the same level as Jordan or LeBron, but those guys are so great that you can drop off a bit and still be a worthy cornerstone in the NBA.




PS  Melo's playoff PER the last four years is ~22.6, higher than all but two of Larry Bird's postseason campaigns.  :teehee
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 20, 2011, 12:43:33 AM
I think most people have it about right. Perennial All-Star, elite scorer, not god-tier but certainly a top 10 talent, has some weaknesses that likely won't be fixed...who disagrees with that?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 20, 2011, 12:44:59 AM
All right everybody, we have established that we love each other again. Let's get naked and make merry like real men do.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 20, 2011, 12:47:36 AM
Let's talk about how the Lakers lost by 10 pts tonight even with Kobe, Gasol and Odom all having good games.   :elephant
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 20, 2011, 12:50:45 AM
ooh goody. Will check that out later. Watching Boston - Detroit now, will probably check out the Blake Griffins later
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 20, 2011, 12:52:54 AM
This T-Mac revival is kinda startling. It's actually looking like he could play a good 3-4 more years. Like KG, I thought he was done but maybe it was genuinely injury rather than general decrepitude that's holding him back. No real reason why he can't be Grant Hill for a good team.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 20, 2011, 01:02:40 AM
Speaking of the Blake Griffins - this is how to go one on five:
[youtube=560,345]5ZgYBp_-KP8[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 23, 2011, 12:05:07 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE8d35l_YXM&feature=feedu[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz5DFnz2soo[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p5M6KKx6GA[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 24, 2011, 03:44:06 PM
Weird situation there in Detroit with Rip.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6053584
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 24, 2011, 03:50:03 PM
Rip Hamilton is a jerk, news at 11. Dude has been out of control for the last 3-5 seasons.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 24, 2011, 03:51:31 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 24, 2011, 03:50:03 PM
Dude has been out of control for the last 3-5 seasons.

How so?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 24, 2011, 04:15:13 PM
His bullshit with Kuester+helping run Flip out of town? I haven't been a fan of the Pistons in years, but I watch them because they're the home team. After the Pistons won in 04 their persona did a complete 360. The championship swagger/arrogance is nothing new in sports - in fact it's pretty expected; the Lakers seem bored as hell this year, just waiting to get back to the playoffs. But that 04 team simply wasn't as talented as the current Lakers team, or the old 3-peat version, or the Spurs, etc. But in the Pistons case the arrogance was even more blatant in juxtaposition to the previous "Going To Work" underdog everyman persona they once had.

I remember assuming Rasheed Wallace was the cancer in the locker room, but in the following years it's become obvious nearly the entire core of that team was a problem. Flip didn't have their respect from day one, and they gave up on him. They don't respect Kuester either; I just  don't  believe this team is as bad as the record implies. Every year you hear a story about players disrespecting their coach, but this shit has been happening for half a decade here.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 25, 2011, 07:04:38 PM
What are you guys watching tonight? Clippers - Dallas should be fun...Blake is now a Top 3 'must see' player for me, alongside Rondo and LeBron, and elbowing out Derrick Rose. Jazz - Lakers is almost always fun of course. Will probably watch a quarter or so of Celtics - Cavs just to confirm the slaughter but would be shocked if that one goes the distance.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 25, 2011, 10:21:54 PM
Why's Brandon Jennings in the dunk contest?  Dude's gonna be one of the worst short competitors of all time. 

Javale McGee will probably also be a disappointment even though he's been one of the best in-game dunkers this season. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 25, 2011, 10:32:43 PM
Yeah, Brandon Jennings was a dunk machine...in high school. I don't think I've ever seen him dunk in game in the NBA. Weird pick.

My dream 'star' line-up would probably be:
Griffin
LeBron
Wade
Westbrook

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Mandark on January 25, 2011, 11:09:58 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 24, 2011, 04:15:13 PM
After the Pistons won in 04 their persona did a complete 360.

:teehee
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 25, 2011, 11:32:52 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 25, 2011, 10:32:43 PM
Yeah, Brandon Jennings was a dunk machine...in high school. I don't think I've ever seen him dunk in game in the NBA. Weird pick.

Even then, he was only a dunk machine because he was playing against kids who are smaller and less athletic.  He just doesn't seem to elevate that much off the ground and his size makes it especially noticeable. 

These amateurs would destroy Jennings in a dunk contest:

[youtube=560,345]BPFfSO8xozI[/youtube]

[youtube=560,345]JWdNawGXizg[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 26, 2011, 12:40:05 AM
I think you're right.

But Blake Griffin has this thing on lock-down like no-one since Vince 10 yrs ago, so Jennings is just window dressing. If he brings something, great. There is simply no scenario other than sniper assassination from the bleachers in which anyone else could beat Griffin though.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: T-Short on January 26, 2011, 02:40:34 AM
Uhh. Jennings has bowed out due to the injury and has been replaced by DeRozan. But as for having few dunks in the regular season, how many did Nate have the years he won? :smug
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 26, 2011, 02:42:59 AM
Hyoushi with the real talk. :bow

I haven't seen Nate dunk yet this season. Oh god, I forgot Derrick Rose above. He probably bumps Westbrook.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 26, 2011, 03:00:15 AM
Rose has had maybe slightly more spectacular dunks but Westbrook dunks at almost 2x the rate, according to 82 games. 

Interesting dunk stats:

It seems like Blake has been dunking a lot and his 2.8 dunk pts/game is certainly higher than the league average.  But that's nothing compared to Shaq in 2002 with 7.4 pts/game.  That really puts into perspective how ridiculously dominant Shaq was. 

Too bad 82 games only go up to 2002 season because Shaq probably dunked even more when he was younger. 

05-07 Lebron averaged just about as many dunks as Blake, which is pretty awesome for a perimeter player but Bron's dropped down to only 1.3 dunk pts/ game this season. 

 




Quote from: Hyoushi on January 26, 2011, 02:40:34 AM
Uhh. Jennings has bowed out due to the injury and has been replaced by DeRozan. But as for having few dunks in the regular season, how many did Nate have the years he won? :smug

Well, my point was more about the mediocrity of Jennings' dunks, rather than their frequency.  DeRozan is definitely a much better choice even though he too won't have much of a chance against Blake.   

While I'm uncertain about Blake's creativity at a dunk contest, I think his competition this year is too weak to matter.  Even with the traditional bias against big men, I can't see Blake being upset by any of the current contestants.  He's definitely going to have it much easier than Shawn Kemp did. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: T-Short on January 26, 2011, 03:37:25 AM
Hehe. Well, I was surprised by the Jennings pick too, but the dood definitely has some hops. Didn't dunk a lot during his rookie season, but I doubt that he lost his highschool/college hops, he just hasn't gotten a lot of opportunities. He was the only guard in this year's contest too... Maybe they picked him because he's a small guy and would rise to the challenge and bring some Compton attitude when coming home to LA. They'd need something special after last year's embarrassment (Gerald Wallace LOL)

[youtube=560,345]hEssOVP6TcQ[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 26, 2011, 03:42:26 AM
Re: Griffin - Seeing the way the dude can handle the ball and pass, I have no doubts that we're in for a show. He's no mere power dunker like Ibaka.

Have you watched any Clippers games yet, Smooth? There seems to be a lot about Blake you don't quite get yet. The biggest difference between him and Shaq is that they don't run their offense through him much. In the triangle, everything went through Shaq unless Kobe deliberately broke out of it. The Clippers are just beginning to feed Griffin in the post. And teams are so terrified of being humiliated by him that the Clips use the dunk as a decoy - you can often see Griffin very obviously pointing up for the lob just to distract the defense (it works!). He will be dunking more once they realize that he's already a pretty polished post player.

Having said that, he's not Shaq and never will be - we may never see that level of dominance in the post again. He compares pretty favorably to Kemp and young Malone though.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 26, 2011, 07:34:45 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 26, 2011, 03:42:26 AM
Re: Griffin - Seeing the way the dude can handle the ball and pass, I have no doubts that we're in for a show. He's no mere power dunker like Ibaka.

Have you watched any Clippers games yet, Smooth? There seems to be a lot about Blake you don't quite get yet. The biggest difference between him and Shaq is that they don't run their offense through him much. In the triangle, everything went through Shaq unless Kobe deliberately broke out of it. The Clippers are just beginning to feed Griffin in the post. And teams are so terrified of being humiliated by him that the Clips use the dunk as a decoy - you can often see Griffin very obviously pointing up for the lob just to distract the defense (it works!). He will be dunking more once they realize that he's already a pretty polished post player.

Having said that, he's not Shaq and never will be - we may never see that level of dominance in the post again. He compares pretty favorably to Kemp and young Malone though.

That wasn't a dig against Blake Griffin at all.  I love the way he plays.  Blake is easily having the best rookie season since Lebron's.  If he can improve his defense and passing, he's right up there with Kevin Durant as the next preeminent player. 

I was just curious about how frequently Blake is dunking and compare that with Shaq in his prime days.  Like you said, modern players just hate being dunk on, most likely because it's gonna be shown repeatedly on ESPN.  Yet amazingly Shaq was able to dunk for 8 points per game.  We just might never see that level of dominance again.  Contrary to what many basketball traditionalists (short white dudes) think, dunking is possibly the hardest thing to do in a basketball game.  There's a reason why fans go nuts whenever someone throws it down hard.

With regards to the Clippers, I not only have access to their games through the local channels but I've also had tickets to many of their games for several seasons.  One time, I even won a VIP night for a Clippers game with 4 courtside seats, dinner, limo ride and signed ball.  I would like to say that converted me into a Clippers fan, especially since I've detested the Lakers since the Kobe era but it's impossible after seeing how incorrigibly dysfunctional that franchise is.  That team will always suck as long as Donald Sterling is the owner.  Clippers have always had much talent and few wins to show for that talent because the players know that the owner doesn't care about winning.  So everyone is just playing for their own stats to cash their big checks once they've served their sentence in Clipperland.  As amazing a talent Griffin is, I still don't believe yet that he can change the culture of that franchise so I hardly ever watch Clippers games anymore. 


Quote from: Hyoushi on January 26, 2011, 03:37:25 AM
Hehe. Well, I was surprised by the Jennings pick too, but the dood definitely has some hops.

His hops are OK.  I mean, they're good by normal athletic standards but nothing special by basketball standards.  I've seen many guys jump significantly higher than that in the gym. 

It's just hard to be impressed by dunks like what Jennings is capable of once you've seen stuff like this from other small guys:

[youtube=560,345]rdpz0SyoWlU[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 27, 2011, 12:07:17 AM
Smooth - sure, I get you.

Just wanted to cool down the 'Shaq and Blake Griffin' comparisons. Another big factor that I omitted is that Griffin is playing alongside DeAndre Jordan, who gets an awful lot of those clean-up baskets, rebounds and alley-oops as well. The guy is quietly becoming a beast. He has plenty of hops, and combined with his length, that makes him more effective than Blake in a lot of situations. He's still very limited offensively of course.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 27, 2011, 09:43:50 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LlZtW36EdE&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 27, 2011, 11:39:11 PM
LOL @NBA banning Dwyane Wade's tinted googles for giving him an unfair competitive advantage. 

Any defender worth a damn, knows that eyes are supposed to be focused on the waist of the offensive player, not the eyes or head. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 28, 2011, 12:15:29 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on January 27, 2011, 11:39:11 PM
LOL @NBA banning Dwyane Wade's tinted googles for giving him an unfair competitive advantage. 

Any defender worth a damn, knows that eyes are supposed to be focused on the waist of the offensive player, not the eyes or head. 

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Officials determined there was too much tinting and it would have given him a competitive advantage because opponents would not be able to see his eyes.

Dumbest shit ever.  :maf


Also starters for the All-Star game.

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East
Guard    Dwyane Wade    Heat
Guard    Derrick Rose    Bulls
Forward   LeBron James    Heat
Forward   Amare Stoudemire Knicks
Center   Dwight Howard    Magic

West   
Guard           Kobe Bryant   Lakers
Guard    Chris Paul           Hornets
Forward   Carmelo Anthony   Nuggets
Forward   Kevin Durant   Thunder
Center   Yao Ming           Rockets



Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 28, 2011, 12:33:03 AM
Yao Ming :rofl
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2011, 12:34:18 AM
China needs a 4chan type group so they can get Ming into the all star game for the next decade  :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 29, 2011, 10:07:43 AM
I saw DeAndre Jordan's dunk stats on ESPN today btw - 82 so far for 4th in the league, and one ahead of Amare. So him plus Griffin is the dunkingest part of bigs in the league by far.

Bad loss for the Celtics today, but they were basically playing on no sleep after travelling to Phoenix on night 2 of a back-to-back. Still looking forward to the rematch with the Lakers on Sunday :hyper
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on January 29, 2011, 10:32:29 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 20, 2011, 01:02:40 AM
Speaking of the Blake Griffins - this is how to go one on five:
[youtube=560,345]5ZgYBp_-KP8[/youtube]

DAMN  :o

Too bad he's on the Clippers.  :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 29, 2011, 12:55:49 PM
Odom is such a skilled player yet, I've never liked his game because of how often he doesn't play up to his potential. I guess I should just accept him for what he is rather than wishing he was more. He is having a good season this year though.

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Agi8kf3geoE&feature=feedu[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qikfeUdrBsI[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKKGRc_i0JY[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 29, 2011, 11:10:20 PM
I cannot believe the shot Blake Griffin just made. A reverse spinning lay-up AFTER spinning 360 in the air. Un-fucking-believable to see a big guy do that - I can't remember seeing ANYONE do that, not AI, not Jordan, anyone. The closest I've seen to it was a circus shot Vince Carter hit waaaay back in the day.

no you-tube yet, it seems. Will edit it in later if it turns up.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 29, 2011, 11:11:05 PM
Looks like the Mavs are finally back on track.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 30, 2011, 12:22:11 AM
good to hear Malek is happy today
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: ch1nchilla on January 30, 2011, 02:37:51 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 25, 2011, 10:32:43 PM
Yeah, Brandon Jennings was a dunk machine...in high school. I don't think I've ever seen him dunk in game in the NBA. Weird pick.

My dream 'star' line-up would probably be:
Griffin
LeBron
Wade
Westbrook
Smith


fixed
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 30, 2011, 02:39:13 AM
yeah, gotta have Josh Smith in there, what was I thinking.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 30, 2011, 05:36:49 AM
[youtube=560,345]B6cq1STBUyU[/youtube]

:bow

You cannot watch this guy and not be entertained. What other PF in the league can do this??
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 30, 2011, 09:17:57 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AGlm9lRA9U&feature=feedu[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 30, 2011, 12:45:15 PM
Why couldn't OKC have lost a few more games that season?  :-\
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 30, 2011, 05:53:48 PM
Kobe twice noticeably rams his shoulder into Pierce's chest and gets a +1. 

:piss NBA officiating :piss2
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 31, 2011, 11:35:24 AM
The Cavaliers are nearing the record for consecutive losses in a single season which is 23. They are at 20 now. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 31, 2011, 11:39:47 AM
It's hilarious because they aren't just losing all these games, they're getting completely blown out.

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Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 31, 2011, 12:00:52 PM
Good. I'm not LeBron fan but Gilbert's response pissed me off more. They'll suck for a long ass time.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 31, 2011, 07:41:24 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on January 30, 2011, 05:53:48 PM
Kobe twice noticeably rams his shoulder into Pierce's chest and gets a +1. 

:piss NBA officiating :piss2

Thought Ray Allen got a horrible call on the Fisher flop too. Everyone should know his tricks by now. Then again, he did take a charge from Shaq, which is just :bow

That game featured two of the leading charge-takers in recent years (Big Baby is #1 this season by a long margin), which kinda made me think about it. If Derek Fisher at age 36 and a buck eighty can take a charge, and Big Baby at maybe 6'6'' can do it with regularity, this is something which ANYONE can do. If you do it right, you don't even risk injury, really (anymore than on a jump shot). Those guys are making the likes of LeBron look bad.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 31, 2011, 09:41:18 PM
Cavs suck but that's exactly what they need to be doing right now if they want to get better. If they're still like this in 2 or 3 seasons, then we can laugh.

I'm sure every contender is circling the wagons to see if they can pick up Mo Williams or Jamison on the cheap for a stretch run. Those guys aren't amazing but they could certainly help a good team in need of bench scoring.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 31, 2011, 10:31:48 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 29, 2011, 10:07:43 AM
I saw DeAndre Jordan's dunk stats on ESPN today btw - 82 so far for 4th in the league, and one ahead of Amare. So him plus Griffin is the dunkingest part of bigs in the league by far.


According to combine measurements, DeAndre's standing reach is a ridiculous 9 feet 6 inches, which gives him a substantial 9 inches advantage over Blake.  At the least, he has the potential to be a better rebounder and shotblocker than Blake.  If DeAndre would work on his offensive skills, he and Griffin can easily form the best frontline at Staples Center.  Too bad he probably won't reach his full potential while playing for the Don. 

Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 31, 2011, 07:41:24 PM
That game featured two of the leading charge-takers in recent years (Big Baby is #1 this season by a long margin), which kinda made me think about it. If Derek Fisher at age 36 and a buck eighty can take a charge, and Big Baby at maybe 6'6'' can do it with regularity, this is something which ANYONE can do. If you do it right, you don't even risk injury, really (anymore than on a jump shot). Those guys are making the likes of LeBron look bad.

I'm kinda from the Bill Walton school of thought that superstars shouldn't be taking charges but challenging the offense instead.  I still remember him laughing at Pippen for getting posterized by Shawn Kemp after trying to draw a charge instead of challenging the shot.  With Lebron's athleticism and quick reflexes, there's no reason why he can't change or deflect a shot instead of relying on the ref to blow the whistle. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 31, 2011, 10:40:06 PM
Good point. Big Baby is completely ground-bound, but he has very quick feet, so maybe that's just the best option he has.

Yeah, DeAndre Jordan is a steal. He seems to be working out with Blake in the offseason, which probably accounts for the stunning improvement he's shown. He was regarded as a real gamble in the draft, I think, despite his obvious physical gifts. He's basically a longer, not as strong Dwight Howard. He can really get up there. There is going to be a play sometime soon where both he and Griffin go for the same block or dunk and bash heads above the rim.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 31, 2011, 10:48:47 PM
AP:

Once again, LeBron James helped the Cleveland Cavaliers reach a milestone in the NBA standings.

First to 40 wins one year.

First to 40 losses the next.

:rofl

:fbm
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 31, 2011, 11:00:06 PM
muah ha ha ha

2nd craziest LeBron stat so far: James Jones hasn't scored on a non-assisted basket yet this season, with over 100 makes. Unreal. These guys are all having career shooting years. Once Mike Miller gets his legs back, he'll shoot over 50% from 3 I bet.

Also, the Clippers game is insane so far. Total dunkathon. Poor Andrew Bogut :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 31, 2011, 11:11:02 PM
So what do you guys think of Henry Abbott's deconstruction of the myth about Kobe's clutch scoring ability? 

I was telling my cousins about it over dinner on Saturday and most of them were so pissed that they won't even let me explain what the argument and facts were.  The most common response after, of course "you're a kobe hater!", was "stats can be manipulated to prove anything".   ::)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 31, 2011, 11:14:57 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on January 31, 2011, 11:11:02 PM
So what do you guys think of Henry Abbott's deconstruction of the myth about Kobe's clutch scoring ability? 

I was telling my cousins about it over dinner on Saturday and most of them were so pissed that they won't even let me explain what the argument and facts were.  The most common response after, of course "you're a kobe hater!", was "stats can be manipulated to prove anything".   ::)

I glanced at the article but didn't take the time to really read it. Maybe I will this evening.

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 31, 2011, 11:31:13 PM
It's nothing Abbott and others haven't been saying for a looooong time now. I buy it. Kobe insists on taking all the shots in any kind of close situations, which makes it incredibly tough for him to get a good shot. So of course he doesn't make them at even his normal rate. It's the worst part of his game, but he is so addicted to the glory that comes from the ones he makes, he's not going to change. He is going to age less gracefully than any NBA player ever, including Iverson.

You all saw it against the Cs on Sunday, right? Driving into a crowd again and again. He made some incredible shots, but he killed the team. Gasol, Odom and Bynum just visibly gave up and stopped running to position 'cause they knew they weren't going to see the ball.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 31, 2011, 11:49:42 PM
There have been much grumbling here in LA about Gasol reverting to being soft but I think he's just tired of being a second banana, especially since he's in his prime and has already won two championships.  What's his motivation for doing the dirty work when Kobe's gonna get all the credit for winning?  One thing that distinguish the latter Jordan from Kobe was his willingness to share the glory.  When Jordan came back, he repeatedly expressed to the media that the Bulls were Pippen's team now and that Pippen was the best player in the game.  Maybe it was all phony but it certainly worked in placating Pippen enough to be the Robin to his Batman for several more years.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2011, 12:34:21 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on January 31, 2011, 11:11:02 PM
So what do you guys think of Henry Abbott's deconstruction of the myth about Kobe's clutch scoring ability? 

I was telling my cousins about it over dinner on Saturday and most of them were so pissed that they won't even let me explain what the argument and facts were.  The most common response after, of course "you're a kobe hater!", was "stats can be manipulated to prove anything".   ::)

meh. I'd still rather have Kobe on my team with 10sec left, down a bucket than anyone else

 ::)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 01, 2011, 12:58:52 AM
Gasol, like most big men, is at the mercy of his guards.  When he doesn't get the ball, all he can do is crash the offensive boards and hope he gets it that way. Which doesn't work so well against KG and Hard Workin' Kendrick Perkins :D

It's a negative cycle. when the Lakers are up early, sure, Kobe will share the ball. When Phil has been on his case, he'll even do it to start the game as well. But down 5 against the Celtics on his home court? Forget about it. He'll freeze everyone out, miss or make. He's still an all-time great in my book - I don't see why everyone has to bend and distort these facts about his crunch time scoring in order to maintain some illusion that he is PERFECT.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 01, 2011, 01:00:03 AM
oh, the the post-game quotes from Bynum, Gasol, PJ etc are HILARIOUS as usual. They have all evolved 100 ways to say 'Kobe hogged the ball and tried to win it by himself' without actually saying it :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Mandark on February 01, 2011, 01:43:09 AM
Really, this shouldn't come as a surprise.  Anyone who's been a basketball fan over the last decade has seen Kobe miss a ton of those shots, some very badly.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 01, 2011, 01:46:34 AM
Without having read the article (too busy playing Dead Space 2 this evening) I think the reason that Kobe has his image despite whatever the stats say is because he's so willing to take those final shots and he's a guy that can hit amazing shots from really awkward looking angles sometimes. It's like so often at the end of a game, the last shot you get is really funky and tough because every team collapses on the superstar. He's the one guy I think instinctively most NBA fans would want taking that kind of shot despite whatever the stats are because in my mind it feels like I've seen him hit so many of those. Of course he's obviously missed a lot of them too based on the stats but a lot of times fans feel like their superstar isn't aggressive enough at the end of the game and in the 4th quarter. Kobe can be a very selfish player at times (like all superstars to a degree) but I think fans actually respect that hence his reputation. Not saying the article is wrong. More saying why the perception is what it is.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 01, 2011, 02:31:19 AM
Yeah, of course the ones he makes are memorable because he makes it so hard on himself. And they get replayed to death on sportscenter and youtube (his buzzer-beater against the Suns is in constant rotation on League Pass right now, despite it being in like a Rd 1 game in a series the Lakers lost...)

As a Celtics fan, I couldn't be happier about the Lakers' late game 'strategy'. The defense knows exactly what to do. He makes a tough shot, well, you live with it. That's all you can ever ask of a defense - lower the offense's % of making the shot. Kobe does all the heavy lifting for you! :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: T-Short on February 01, 2011, 05:50:03 AM
Quote
"In Utah, a girls high school basketball team is being called unsportsmanlike for winning a game 108-3. Obviously, a humiliating loss for their opponents -- the Cleveland Cavaliers."

    \
    :lenowned


ouch
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 01, 2011, 09:37:53 AM
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/video/osn-girlfriends-feel-bad-for-deron-williams,18826/
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 01, 2011, 09:46:14 AM
Quote from: Hyoushi on February 01, 2011, 05:50:03 AM
Quote
"In Utah, a girls high school basketball team is being called unsportsmanlike for winning a game 108-3. Obviously, a humiliating loss for their opponents -- the Cleveland Cavaliers."

    \
    :lenowned


ouch

:lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 01, 2011, 11:40:20 AM
(http://static03.mediaite.com/sportsgrid/uploads/2011/01/2320561691-e1296249043488.jpg)

Mad homo.  What's next?  Tight Superman briefs to show off the BBCs?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 01, 2011, 06:56:07 PM
Dwight Howard will be loving it though.

Today, I'll be checking out Celtics - Kings (haven't watched Sac much this year at all, 'cause they've been awful.) and maybe Rockets - Lakers (hoping for Kobe to pound that self-destruct button again).
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 01, 2011, 10:31:09 PM
Link to watch every dunk in the history of the Slam Dunk contest:

http://hoopism.com/?p=961

Not trying to pile on the Kobe hating, but he was easily one of the worst champions ever.  No wonder they shut down the contest for two years after his victory.  :lol

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 01, 2011, 10:34:16 PM
So who was the worst competitor? Chris Andersen? Rudy Fernandez?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 01, 2011, 10:37:35 PM
Probably Darrel Armstrong although he's had some really great in-game dunks.  He couldn't even complete a dunk on most of his attempts and his last one was a reverse layup.   
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 01, 2011, 10:50:58 PM
I guess he didn't get as many do-overs as they've been giving out recently though.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 01, 2011, 11:06:16 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 01, 2011, 10:31:09 PM
Link to watch every dunk in the history of the Slam Dunk contest:

http://hoopism.com/?p=961

Wow that's pretty cool.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 02, 2011, 12:14:19 AM
[youtube=560,345]qPJYlZTEutc[/youtube]
bause :bow

clearly the arm candy blond wants the bbc

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 02, 2011, 12:26:01 AM
Wow, LaMarcus Aldridge beasted tonight.  Guy's been on fire since January. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Beezy on February 02, 2011, 12:28:26 AM
BAWSE
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 02, 2011, 12:39:55 AM
That blondie was obviously checking out the bbc. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 03, 2011, 01:19:17 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHqT5d_EwmI&feature=feedu[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 03, 2011, 01:31:45 AM
Why would a white player even bother to jump with Griffin on an oop?  SMH

The most impressive thing about Griffin's leaping ability is how little space he needs.  He's very much like Dominique and Kemp in that regard. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 03, 2011, 01:41:12 AM
Kevin Durant is on a tear lately, averaging 40 points per game over the past four games [also averaging 11 rebounds per as well]. Crazy.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 03, 2011, 05:16:35 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 03, 2011, 01:31:45 AM
Why would a white player even bother to jump with Griffin on an oop?  SMH

The most impressive thing about Griffin's leaping ability is how little space he needs.  He's very much like Dominique and Kemp in that regard. 

The most exciting moment in basketball right now is that upraised finger from Griffin that signals the lob. The whole building holds its breath, i swear to God. I'm pulling for the Clippers to make the playoffs - they'd be so much fun. They have almost no chance of making it thanks to that 1-13 start tho :'(
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 03, 2011, 07:39:46 PM
All Star reserves announced today

4 Celtics made it.


Some of the players who didn't make it.

Steve Nash
Kevin Love
Kevin Martin
LaMarcus Aldridge
Monta Ellis
David West
Zach Randolph
Andrew Bogut
Carlos Boozer
Joakim Noah


Quote
2011 Western Conference All Star Reserves

F -- Pau Gasol (Los Angeles Lakers)
F -- Blake Griffin (Los Angeles Clippers)
G-F -- Manu Ginobili (San Antonio Spurs)
F -- Dirk Nowitzki (Dallas Mavericks)
G -- Deron Williams (Utah Jazz)
G -- Russell Westbrook (Oklahoma City Thunder)
F -- Tim Duncan (San Antonio Spurs)

2011 Eastern Conference All Star Reserves

F -- Kevin Garnett (Boston Celtics)
F -- Paul Pierce (Boston Celtics)
G -- Rajon Rondo (Boston Celtics)
G -- Ray Allen (Boston Celtics)
F-C -- Al Horford (Atlanta Hawks)
G-F -- Joe Johnson (Atlanta Hawks)
F-C -- Chris Bosh (Miami Heat)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: WrikaWrek on February 03, 2011, 07:53:13 PM
With http://atdhe.net/ handcuffed by pigs, where can i watch NBA?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: etiolate on February 03, 2011, 07:53:26 PM
LMA should have made it. Should have dropped Duncan or Pau, who are both not up to par. Nash should be in the game  just to make it watchable.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 03, 2011, 07:56:52 PM
I wouldn't have put 4 celtics on the team. I just don't like one team having that many spots.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 03, 2011, 07:59:21 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 03, 2011, 07:39:46 PM
All Star reserves announced today

4 Celtics made it.


Some of the players who didn't make it.

Steve Nash
Kevin Love
Kevin Martin
LaMarcus Aldridge
Monta Ellis
David West
Zach Randolph
Andrew Bogut
Carlos Boozer
Joakim Noah


Quote
2011 Western Conference All Star Reserves

F -- Pau Gasol (Los Angeles Lakers)
F -- Blake Griffin (Los Angeles Clippers)
G-F -- Manu Ginobili (San Antonio Spurs)
F -- Dirk Nowitzki (Dallas Mavericks)
G -- Deron Williams (Utah Jazz)
G -- Russell Westbrook (Oklahoma City Thunder)
F -- Tim Duncan (San Antonio Spurs)

2011 Eastern Conference All Star Reserves

F -- Kevin Garnett (Boston Celtics)
F -- Paul Pierce (Boston Celtics)
G -- Rajon Rondo (Boston Celtics)
G -- Ray Allen (Boston Celtics)
F-C -- Al Horford (Atlanta Hawks)
G-F -- Joe Johnson (Atlanta Hawks)
F-C -- Chris Bosh (Miami Heat)

Yeah, but most of those guys you list play in the West. All of the Celtics deserve to be there. This year was always going to leave a lot of folks disappointed, 'cause the overall level of All-Star type talent is close to an all-time high. They did the right thing by putting Griffin in there! Boy is gonna OWN the whole weekend :hyper
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 03, 2011, 07:59:55 PM
Kevin Love should have made it and he probably will, as the commissioner's choice.  A>24 PER should instantly guarantee an all-star spot unless the player is on a record losing team.  
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 03, 2011, 08:16:20 PM
Duncan didn't deserve it over Love this year, but Duncan was always going to get the coach's vote.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 03, 2011, 11:39:47 PM
Lebron had a sick game tonight.

51 points

FG 17-25
11 rebs
8 ast
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Mandark on February 04, 2011, 12:04:29 AM
Allen hasn't really been at an all-star level, but Boozer missed a bunch of games and there weren't any big snubs as a result, so no big deal.  Nice to see Horford make it.

The East should get Love and Nash for the game.

Quote from: etiolate on February 03, 2011, 07:53:26 PM
Should have dropped Duncan or Pau, who are both not up to par. Nash should be in the game  just to make it watchable.

wat
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 04, 2011, 12:29:34 AM
Allen has absolutely been at All-Star level, as long as you recognize that he isn't taking a lot of shots. I think he's having a career shooting year, which is saying something. (and also a great argument for Rondo being in).
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Mandark on February 04, 2011, 12:39:14 AM
That's actually my point.  Low-volume, high-efficiency scorers are valuable pieces on any team, and especially good ones with multiple creators, but I'd set the AS bar higher than that, and so would most voters, traditionally.

But this year, in the East, it's no big injustice.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 04, 2011, 12:52:51 AM
Yeah. He's also been great defensively, and it's pretty clear he can ramp up his shots at need without losing efficiency...I don't think anyone can point at a 2 guard in the East other than Wade and say 'That guy is better than Ray Allen this year'. He's not the best player on the East or anything but I think he earned that slot for sure.

In the West, it might be tougher - Manu, Kobe and Kevin Martin have all been demonstrably better.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 04, 2011, 01:11:19 AM
Crazy win for the spurs.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 04, 2011, 01:19:13 AM
:elephant

Wish I were at Staples tonight.  I almost think that it's better for the Spurs to have lost this one because their record is a bit flukey.  OTOH, Lakers are on the verge of self destruction.  Kobe must be fuming after trying to show that he can pass during clutch time and still end up losing.  If he had won, all the talk in town would be about how Henry Abbott was wrong.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 04, 2011, 01:45:19 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3q52BN9YF4&feature=feedu[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 04, 2011, 01:48:06 AM
The Spurs are just incredible this year. Everyone going into the season was talking about Miami, Orlando, Boston, and LA, but who was really talking about the Spurs? At 41-8, they're three and a half games against the number 2 team in the NBA. It's insane.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 04, 2011, 01:53:55 AM
For such a great leaper, Lebron doesn't get much elevation on his jump shots.  Also, he holds the ball a tad too long before releasing it.  Luckily for Bron, defenders are so scared of his drives that he gets more than adequate room to get off those Js.

Quote from: Great Rumbler on February 04, 2011, 01:48:06 AM
The Spurs are just incredible this year. Everyone going into the season was talking about Miami, Orlando, Boston, and LA, but who was really talking about the Spurs? At 41-8, they're three and a half games against the number 2 team in the NBA. It's insane.
 

They really aren't as good as their record indicates though.  It's why I almost wished that they had lost today's game so that they would be more driven and less prone to underestimating the Lakers in the playoffs. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: ch1nchilla on February 04, 2011, 07:00:49 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YFtSy7f4Wsc[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 04, 2011, 11:03:17 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW7w27d7oKU&feature=feedu[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 05, 2011, 08:53:33 PM
People actually care about the all star game/dunk contest? pass

They should put up a $1mil reward for the dunk contest, or a decked out car. Maybe that would get the best dunkers to particulate every year
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Mandark on February 05, 2011, 09:04:40 PM
They should be allowed to use seven foot Euroleague honkeys as props/defenders for the dunks.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 05, 2011, 09:09:07 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 05, 2011, 08:53:33 PM
People actually care about the all star game/dunk contest? pass

They should put up a $1mil reward for the dunk contest, or a decked out car. Maybe that would get the best dunkers to particulate every year

I care this year because Blake Griffin has the chance to do something crazy, like Vince back in 2000. That was the last exciting dunk contest IMHO. The All-Star game can be great if there is perceivable bad blood and a will to compete. Last good one was the AI/Mutombo/Marbury come from behind victory though. I'll always have somewhat of a soft spot for it cause the All-Star game in 1990 was my first ever NBA game. Had a great time watching it with a bunch of Yanks and Canadians and a 2 liter bottle of convenience store vodka.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 05, 2011, 09:14:24 PM
I always enjoy the All-Star game even though its generally not a very good game nowadays. I just enjoy seeing the collection of talent on the court. The dunk contest I don't really care about. I always thought the 3-Point contest was a better exhibition of competition than it.


I fell in love with Rolando Blackman because of an All-Star game.

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu9ZrMDedxo[/youtube]


Also this moment.

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK9_JEd2REs[/youtube]


You watch All-Star games for the occasional magical moments that can happen. Not because its a very good game.


[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1rrS44-X-w[/youtube]


Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 05, 2011, 09:34:40 PM
Good to see K-Love get in though. Anyone care to join me in the White Player Drinking Game?

- drink for every time Love is praised for work ethic
- drink for every time Love is praised for knowledge of game or high basketball IQ
- drink for every reference to deceptive athleticism
- drink for every time Love is compared to another white player
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 05, 2011, 09:38:37 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 05, 2011, 09:34:40 PM
Good to see K-Love get in though. Anyone care to join me in the White Player Drinking Game?

- drink for every time Love is praised for work ethic
- drink for every time Love is praised for knowledge of game or high basketball IQ
- drink for every reference to deceptive athleticism
- drink for every time Love is compared to another white player

That's why Blake presents such a dilemma. How do you split your praise based on race?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 05, 2011, 09:43:17 PM
I'll go with 'when Blake touches the ball, drink'

I'm seriously expecting the kid to break the backboard or something. :hyper
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 05, 2011, 10:11:41 PM
I'm increasingly convinced that OKC needs to pull the trigger on a trade soon. They have all these lottery guys like Jeff Green and James Harden who may develop into serious players, but in all likelihood are already at their peak value (due to their cheap contracts). They have 2 of the best guys in the league in Durant and Westbrook. Ibaka is emerging as a serious beast. Time to go all in and trade for some vets because they may never have a better chance to win than right now (Westbrook may not re-up). Sure those guys will be better next year, but the danger is that the trade value of all their other parts is likely to decline once people figure out that James Harden doesn't really have one standout skill and that Jeff Green is a perimeter 4 that shoots a low %.

You can only preserve cap space usefully for so long - nobody ever won a championship with a team that young. There are plenty of vets about to go for cents on the dollar at the trade deadline this year. I'd like to see them go for it.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 05, 2011, 10:21:44 PM
:bow Settin' records :bow2
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 05, 2011, 10:33:25 PM
To celebrate Cleveland's record night!


[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O935MFKcz08[/youtube]

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 05, 2011, 11:47:25 PM
whoops wrong thread
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2011, 12:27:18 AM
eh, noticed this on a blog I frequent
http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/2011/02/my-problem-with-per/
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 07, 2011, 12:34:37 AM
PER is a great tool but it's not perfect.  My main problem with it is that it assumes that performance will remain the same with a quicker pace or more minutes.  For example, Chris Paul is always one of the top PER holders but I've seen enough of his games to know that his production doesn't ramp up in faster games. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 07, 2011, 07:25:01 AM
Seems like a reasonable compromise, vs assuming that all teams in the league play at the same pace (which would be absurd). Of course it's not perfect - we wouldn't need to play the games if it was. It's a hell of a lot more useful than points, rebounds and assists though...which no-one nitpicked for decades. Not sure why PER is the target for so much abuse when it's clearly so much BETTER than anything else. I rarely find a PER score that I disagree with after watching enough games. Even better are Hollinger's articles, which are tested against in-game observations. The guy can write up a basketball game better than anybody else out there, IMHO.
Title: My friend calls him "your boy Hollinger"
Post by: Mandark on February 07, 2011, 08:14:57 AM
Hollinger :heart

I got his basketball prospectus way back when he was writing for SI's site and was the only sportswriter on Earth predicting the Wizards would make the playoffs with an Arenas/Hughes/Jamison core.  Read his stuff ever since.

PER's naturally a limited tool, and he writes some really gimmicky stat-oriented pieces that don't reveal much now that he's got to churn out content five or six days a week, but he watches a ton of games and brings a good eye for detail and a wry sense of humor (his chat sessions are totally worth reading).  I can't think of a basketball writer who brings as much knowledge of the league's obscure role players as he does.



edit:  PS  Why Matt Yglesias thinks Dave Berri ought to be taken seriously is as mysterious to me as why Matt Yglesias thinks Steve Sailer ought to be taken seriously.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 07, 2011, 12:15:47 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZRmSswWAAc[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 08, 2011, 04:56:12 AM
(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/536202/BlackHoleAtlas-tz_medium.jpg)

 :lol

Yes, this is a real thing that someone worked up from the raw data.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/2/4/1973237/kobe-bryant-black-hole
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 08, 2011, 03:56:09 PM
Quote
The Lakers and the Denver Nuggets have had preliminary discussions about a blockbuster trade that would send Carmelo Anthony to Los Angeles, according to league sources. The Lakers' package would be built around Andrew Bynum.

Talks are in the preliminary stages, but it appears that another option besides the New York Knicks has materialized for the Nuggets.

"There have been discussions between the two teams," one of the sources said. "The Lakers are definitely an option."

Of course, Anthony, who can opt out of his contract after this season, would likely have to agree to sign a three-year, $65 million extension with the Lakers for them to part with Bynum. But Los Angeles is believed to be a city Anthony would be amenable to playing in, as he and his wife, La La Vasquez, bought a home there last summer. Two people close to Anthony said the Nuggets superstar would sign off on a deal that would make him a Laker.


The Nuggets have no interest in Lakers forward Ron Artest and sources said they may not insist on getting Lamar Odom either. A straight-up trade of Anthony for Bynum meets the financial requirements of the collective bargaining agreement, but more players could be involved since Denver would look to shed as much salary as possible.

The Lakers first contacted the Charlotte Bobcats last week, looking to deal Artest for either Stephen Jackson or Gerald Wallace, sources told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher. The Bobcats were initially intrigued because owner Michael Jordan has long appreciated Artest's toughness, but talks ended during the weekend after the Bobcats learned Artest was not excited about playing in Charlotte.

The Nuggets are also engaged in talks with New York about a three-way trade involving the Minnesota Timberwolves. Initial discussions centered around Denver getting Wilson Chandler, with Minnesota sending Corey Brewer and a first-round pick to Denver as well. But Denver wants more than that and has its eye on young Knicks assets Danilo Gallinari and Landry Fields, along with Chandler.

Minnesota, which would receive Anthony Randolph and Eddy Curry in the trade, also wants more in return if it is to send a first-round pick to Denver.

In a sign that the Denver-New York talks have heated up, Madison Square Garden chairman James Dolan has had direct negotiations with Nuggets owner Stan Kroenke, according to the New York Daily News.

One stumbling block to a Nuggets-Knicks deal, however, is the health of Chandler. The Daily News reported Tuesday that he is experiencing discomfort in his surgically repaired left ankle.

With the Feb. 24 trade deadline approaching, the Nuggets are weighing every possible option, including holding on to Anthony for the remainder of the season while hoping the owners can negotiate the right to put a franchise tag on players in the new collective bargaining agreement. Under that scenario, the Nuggets would be able to "franchise" Anthony and keep him in Denver.

 The likeliest outcome, however, remains that Denver will trade Anthony before Feb. 24.

It is believed that the Lakers have not yet made an offer for Anthony but that the two clubs have merely had discussions.

Los Angeles has long viewed Bynum as a building block and potential star, but a series of knee injuries throughout his six-year career has frustrated the Lakers to the point that one source said the club would consider moving him. Bynum missed the first 24 games of this season while recovering from offseason knee surgery and also missed a game last week with a bruised knee.

Pau Gasol starts at center in Bynum's absence, with Odom moving to power forward, and the Lakers' record of 18-7 without Bynum this season is better than their record with him (18-9).

The Lakers' front office is not in full agreement on dealing Bynum, sources told Bucher. Jim Buss, son of owner Jerry, was in charge of the franchise when Bynum was drafted with the 10th pick in 2005 and has consistently resisted any attempts to move him, including a deal for free-agent-to-be Chris Bosh last season.

Lakers coach Phil Jackson, another source said, would like to see how his team performs in a rematch against the Celtics Thursday and in the remaining five games on its current seven-game road trip before deciding to make such a dramatic move.

The Lakers' motivation to upgrade their roster largely stems from the struggles of Artest this season. He was considered an important component last season in defending premier small forwards such as Kevin Durant and Paul Pierce, and the Lakers may see either the Celtics' Pierce or the Heat's LeBron James in the Finals if they were to get that far.

But Jackson has not played Artest down the stretch in a number of games this season because he has been ineffective both offensively and defensively.

The Nuggets like Bynum's immense upside and believe that, at 23 years old, he can overcome his health issues. But they understand it would be a risk, and are not entirely certain they would trade for him, one source said.

Acquiring Bynum is not a huge financial risk for Denver, though, considering his great potential. Bynum has two years and $31 million left on his contract, but the final year is a team option for $16.5 million. If Bynum experiences another injury next season, the Nuggets could decide not to pick up the option and thus be on the hook for just the $15.1 million he's due next season.

Bynum is averaging 11.3 points and 7.4 rebounds per game in 27 games this season. In five full seasons with Los Angeles, Bynum has averaged only 56 games per season because of injuries.

Anthony is coming off a 50-point, 11-rebound outing Monday, but the Nuggets lost to the Rockets.


http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=6101304
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 08, 2011, 05:25:05 PM
lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 08, 2011, 06:09:24 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yauPh20Jnck&feature=feedu_more[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 09, 2011, 11:17:18 PM
Quote
The Pistons were supposedly a beatable opponent for the cellar-dwelling Cavs (8-45), still winless since Dec. 18 and now losers of a hard-to-imagine 36 of 37.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 09, 2011, 11:18:49 PM
When you're talking about the 2010-2011 Cavs, you don't "suppose" anything. Except that they are terrible and will continue to lose many games.
Title: The Stoppable Force vs. The Movable Object
Post by: Mandark on February 10, 2011, 05:05:13 AM
Unless they can beat Griffindor, the Cavs' streak is going to come up against the Wizards' 0-for-the-season road record on Sunday.

I'm actually looking forward to that and would be really disappointed if the Clippers drop the ball.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 10, 2011, 06:03:47 AM
Movable object meets stoppable force!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Mandark on February 10, 2011, 07:31:20 AM
I just made that joke!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 10, 2011, 09:06:09 AM
*squints*
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Bacchus7 on February 10, 2011, 11:55:12 AM
Cav's-Wizards Brawl 2011 with a tie game? No one gets the win?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 10, 2011, 12:15:02 PM
Quote from: Bacchus7 on February 10, 2011, 11:55:12 AM
Cav's-Wizards Brawl 2011 with a tie game? No one gets the win?

Game eventually ended at 2:00 AM by David Stern after tenth overtime concludes in tie.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 10, 2011, 05:21:01 PM
Lakers versus Celtics tonight on tnt for those that didn't know.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Bacchus7 on February 10, 2011, 05:36:34 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on February 10, 2011, 03:00:43 PM
Jerry Sloan to resign today :'(

I know, it's actually making me pretty sad. I just remember watching those fantastic Jazz-Bulls Finals series in '97 and '98, two of the best NBA teams to ever take the floor, it's a shame he never got a ring.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 10, 2011, 06:37:44 PM
I'm honestly more shocked about Jerry Sloan quitting than Mubarak quitting. This is the end of an era. Can't believe he never got COTY or won a championship either.

I can't imagine he will want to coach again but man, I can think of like 10 teams that could use him right now.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 10, 2011, 09:03:12 PM
man boston looks good. It's gonna be real hard for anybody else to come out of the east unless Boston gets some severe injuries come playoff time.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 10, 2011, 10:13:28 PM
Sloan is a great coach. Utah isn't particularly a free agent hot spot but he always did well with what he had, and of course the organization made some great draft picks. Seems like a good guy too. Didn't his wife die kinda recently?

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 10, 2011, 10:45:10 PM
Nice comeback win for the Lakers.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 10, 2011, 10:58:44 PM
I love Rondo's game but I wonder if his scoring ability will be the Celtics' Achilles' heel in the playoffs.  He probably needs to force his way to the hoop a bit more.  Even though his FT% is bad, it's still much better than his FG% from 10 ft and beyond. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 10, 2011, 11:07:45 PM
I don't think it's a concern so long as he has 3 or 4 scorers on the court all night. And his jumpshot is coming on, though it was woeful tonight. When they play Shaq, Rondo doesn't need to score at all. Tonight was a combination of lack of depth and foul trouble I think. I'm not scared about the Lakers as I am getting through the East.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 10, 2011, 11:53:36 PM
For what its worth despite all the talk about how the Lakers are struggling, they are pretty much on roughly the same win loss pace as last year.

Last year they went 57-25 with a .695 win percentage.


Currently they are 37-16 with a .698 win percentage.

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 11, 2011, 12:07:08 AM
I think people are more concerned with the Lakers' record against top teams.  As we've learned from Lebron's last two years in Cleveland, it's something that can't be overlooked. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 11, 2011, 12:19:01 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 10, 2011, 11:53:36 PM
For what its worth despite all the talk about how the Lakers are struggling, they are pretty much on roughly the same win loss pace as last year.

Last year they went 57-25 with a .695 win percentage.

Currently they are 37-16 with a .698 win percentage.


oh yeah, they don't suck. But they don't have a bye to the WCF like they basically did last year. They'll have to be tip-top to get past the Spurs IMHO.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Mandark on February 11, 2011, 01:16:37 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 10, 2011, 10:13:28 PM
Sloan is a great coach. Utah isn't particularly a free agent hot spot but he always did well with what he had, and of course the organization made some great draft picks. Seems like a good guy too. Didn't his wife die kinda recently?

Isn't he a notorious asshole?

Interesting that Deron Williams is now going to be The Guy Who Forced Out Jerry Sloan.  He's suddenly going to be considered a coach-killer by a lot of people, whatever the reality is.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2011, 01:31:17 AM
Asshole or just old school though?

I heard the Deron Williams thing on the radio, damn is that true? Guess it doesn't matter now, it'll become fact to folks
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 11, 2011, 11:55:43 PM
Cavs won tonight against the clippers.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 12, 2011, 12:14:28 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 11, 2011, 11:55:43 PM
Cavs won tonight against the clippers.

Boooo!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 12, 2011, 09:50:21 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rlmRBW79Lc&feature=feedu[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 13, 2011, 07:51:10 AM
Miami versus Boston today.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 13, 2011, 08:08:14 AM
who ya got, Stoney?

The Cs are just reeling from all these injuries, but I am sure they will be up for this one due to importance in the standings and their desire to erase the loss to the Lakers. I have a feeling Miami will take this one anyway. Mike Miller is starting to look like himself again, which gives them a lot of different looks.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 13, 2011, 08:17:12 AM
The Celts seem pretty banged up and they do seem to have the Heats number. But I'll go with the heat just because I have feeling they will come into this one pumped up and trying to redeem/prove themselves where as I think Boston is just kinda coasting a bit to the All-Star break so they can rest and start the second half of the season.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 13, 2011, 03:32:24 PM
They are just daring Rondo to shoot.

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 13, 2011, 09:13:50 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADRe-GEwbvg[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: ch1nchilla on February 13, 2011, 09:39:53 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP8ILoXCJ74[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Beezy on February 13, 2011, 11:56:42 PM
Rondo :rofl
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 14, 2011, 02:09:46 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CJHue02GGk&feature=feedu[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFH_qCJlD_8[/youtube]



(http://lh6.ggpht.com/eHhAYoYKPAn2YDrHK_lJDWT6f-AyzNJdFjichTuTcSx9r3FYKdOMGYFOkZToMxtTRF3xns0qNUzMREfO7ZZZ)


Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2011, 02:33:07 AM
Rondo is so awesome :lol

He just gets to places on the court he has no business being. It's amazing how often he just sneaks up behind people on inbound plays and grabs the ball and such. He is a highly disruptive force on the court, generally.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 14, 2011, 06:36:01 PM
Kids In 'Scared-Straight' Program Visit Horrifying Cleveland Cavaliers Practice


Quote
Whitney said that early on, some critics questioned whether the shock tactics were truly effective. Visiting teens often cried when the reality of their situation struck them, sometimes from the moment they were instructed to put on their mandatory Cleveland Cavaliers T-shirts. Many were nearly struck by the endless barrage of mishandled basketballs, and there were questions as to whether attending the Cavaliers practices put the youths at even greater risk than they had been before. But the vast majority of participants displayed improved behavior after seeing the fundamentally unsound losing path their lives could take them down.

"And in those rare cases where seeing a practice doesn't work, we take them to an actual Cavaliers game," said Whitney, explaining that it is a last resort used only with teens who are hardest to reach. "By the end of the first quarter, even the toughest kids are begging to leave and promising they'll never get into trouble again.

http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/kids-in-scaredstraight-program-visit-horrifying-cl,19156/
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 14, 2011, 06:40:54 PM
:rofl
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Bocsius on February 15, 2011, 12:19:54 AM
Meanwhile, the Bobcats continue their inexplicable ownership of the Lakers. They've won 8 of the last 10 against the former-Hornet Kobe Bryant. Tonight, they won by 20.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 15, 2011, 10:47:48 PM
wow, just saw Wade throw a 92 feet baseline-to-baseline pass to LeBron. :bow D-Wade :bow2

 The Heat continue to be the most spectacular transition team I've seen.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2011, 10:53:54 PM
Miami still frustrates me. I still think their offense against good team can devolve into basically one on 5. Halfway through the season and despite their good record they still have that problem.

They basically feast on poor teams and struggle against good teams.

28-2 vs below .500 competition. (best in the league)
12-13 vs above .500 competition.

that second number is the worst out of all the "elite" teams.

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 15, 2011, 10:59:53 PM
That's a fair point. The teams with good team D can put the brakes on them pretty good. I still like Boston to beat them in the playoffs but it'd be a hell of a series.

What's weird is that they have all bought into team D in a big way, but are still struggling with the team O.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Mandark on February 16, 2011, 02:36:43 AM
I'm pretty sure Amaechi had an anecdote or two in his book which painted Sloan as pretty spiteful towards him.  My impression (and judging people I'll never meet is the essence of sports fandom) is that Sloan did a lot of stuff which gets excused in the context of being a coach but which would get you fired from ~98% of real world jobs, or at least recommended for counseling.

Hence PD saying "old school" as what I assume is a euphemism for "frequently enraged and verbally abusive".

Not to say Sloan's out of the ordinary in the context of his profession, but "he seemed nice" strikes me as a giant stretch.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 16, 2011, 02:42:24 AM
Didn't Karl Malone used to bitch about Sloane all the time? Then again, Malone used to bitch about everything (mostly his contract). They obviously patched things up.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 16, 2011, 04:58:02 AM
Well yea, lots of the older coaches were like that. Larry Brown, Sloan, Pat Riley, etc. Tough love and hard practices. I tend to tune out when players today complain about coaches. They were babied through high school, college, and expect the same treatment in the NBA. When I played AAU it was hilarious seeing the best players literally get pampered out of fears they'd jump to another team.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 16, 2011, 05:01:23 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 15, 2011, 10:47:48 PM
wow, just saw Wade throw a 92 feet baseline-to-baseline pass to LeBron. :bow D-Wade :bow2

 The Heat continue to be the most spectacular transition team I've seen.

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngJSHNxtSko&feature=feedu[/youtube]

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: pilonv1 on February 16, 2011, 05:37:40 AM
:bow Golden State :bow2

Bulls, Thunder and Hornets all down in the last week.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Beezy on February 16, 2011, 08:12:14 AM
Blake would've dunked that.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 16, 2011, 07:49:37 PM
Toronto's turn to be butthurt and beaten tonight.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 17, 2011, 12:30:04 AM
lulz. The Cavs beat the Lakers tonight.



http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/lebron-james-not-to-rub-it-in-but-do-you-sort-of-s,19169/
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 17, 2011, 01:44:16 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 16, 2011, 05:01:23 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 15, 2011, 10:47:48 PM
wow, just saw Wade throw a 92 feet baseline-to-baseline pass to LeBron. :bow D-Wade :bow2

 The Heat continue to be the most spectacular transition team I've seen.

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngJSHNxtSko&feature=feedu[/youtube]



wow  :o
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Bacchus7 on February 17, 2011, 12:12:23 PM
We're rolling, let's see if we can keep it up!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2_awKoNATI
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 17, 2011, 02:44:34 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-CS99OSxWM&feature=feedu[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 18, 2011, 11:42:24 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wh2xI66zB0&feature=feedu[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 18, 2011, 11:34:15 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPsL4xWDSDM&feature=feedu[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: etiolate on February 18, 2011, 11:39:18 PM
there were a ton of great dunks in that game

including the last two for the rooks
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 19, 2011, 12:45:07 AM
Ladies and Gentlemen, your (soon-to-be-crowned) 2011 Slam Dunk Champion:

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymlCDnhicDs&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 19, 2011, 12:45:47 AM
The Youtube tag only works with Youtube videos.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 19, 2011, 12:46:33 AM
alright, alright, hold your horses
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 19, 2011, 12:47:27 AM
Quote from: etiolate on February 18, 2011, 11:39:18 PM
there were a ton of great dunks in that game

including the last two for the rooks

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqygRqzi58M&feature=feedu[/youtube]


Also the onion

Quote
BOSTON—Celtics shooting guard Ray Allen told reporters he made a terrifying discovery Wednesday, stumbling across a genetic research laboratory located deep beneath the TD Banknorth Garden and filled with thousands of test-tube "Big Baby" Glen Davises.

"At first I thought some of them were deformed or genetic mutations," Allen added. "But I seem to remember Glen was just weird-looking like that as a kid."

"I just can't understand why the Celtics would need or want so many Big Babies that act and play exactly the same way," Allen said. "He's okay, but you'd think that with all this advanced technology they would at least try to improve him a little—maybe make Big Babies that are taller, better shooters, and a little less annoying in the locker room."

http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/terrified-ray-allen-discovers-celtics-lab-containi,19236/
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 19, 2011, 02:15:28 AM
Pippen can still play pretty good D, LOL

[youtube=560,345]QoCB5mfQNLA[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 19, 2011, 11:04:08 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQiTBKJBpF4&feature=feedu[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 19, 2011, 01:24:00 PM
That video is heavily edited. Did he actually make those 3s and throw alley oops? sheeeiiit  :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 19, 2011, 01:28:42 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 19, 2011, 01:24:00 PM
That video is heavily edited. Did he actually make those 3s and throw alley oops? sheeeiiit  :lol

Stop hating because he can school you.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 19, 2011, 01:31:02 PM
[youtube=560,345]ecTWvFBTym0[/youtube]
omg Bieber Da Goon :bow
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 19, 2011, 04:56:08 PM
Quote from: Wrath2X on February 19, 2011, 04:27:49 PM
how long till the dunk contest


The All-Star stuff starts at 5 pm est (right now actually) But the dunk contest is later so it's probably closer to an hour or an hour and a half away from that part.

Edit: whoops add three hours to all that stuff. I was looking at the wrong time zone. So it starts at 8:00 PM EST.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 19, 2011, 07:07:27 PM
:lol at Bieber

Never actually seen this kid before today. I was waiting for him to go Teen Wolf on those chumps. Total ownage.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 19, 2011, 10:10:56 PM
Has the slam dunk competition started yet?

Edit: Nevermind, it's starting now.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 19, 2011, 10:26:19 PM
sigh
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 19, 2011, 10:30:20 PM
holy shit blake
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Bocsius on February 19, 2011, 10:51:08 PM
Dunk contests just don't work for me. Insane dunks during games, those are impressive.

If someone brings out Shawn Bradley and posterizes him, that would be worthy of a 10. Dunk over someone actively trying to stop you.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Bocsius on February 19, 2011, 11:01:58 PM
Retire the competition. I've seen everything.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 19, 2011, 11:02:23 PM
Baron Davis is gonna milk the career of Blake for all he can.

 :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 19, 2011, 11:02:31 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 19, 2011, 11:02:46 PM
presentation>actual dunks

NBA WWE
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 19, 2011, 11:10:34 PM
You know what would make this really fun? If the other contestants were trying to stop you dunking. Imagine Griffin trying to dunk over McGee without a charge, that would be fun city. I think DeRozan's 2nd dunk was probably the best, although it looked a lot better in slo-mo. Blake was disappointing.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 19, 2011, 11:11:43 PM
Blake's first dunk was his best.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 19, 2011, 11:13:38 PM
Blake's fourth was the best.

:bow Presentation :bow2
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 19, 2011, 11:18:08 PM
so lame. I've seen high school kids jump over cars - over the ROOF of cars. Some of Blake's attempts were much better than his makes. The only one I really liked was the VC arm-through-the-basket dunk. Overall it was a great contest though - everybody put one a good-to-great show.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 19, 2011, 11:19:02 PM
Blake Griffin should have dunked the entire trophy into the back seat of the car and the drove over Charles Barkley in it.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 19, 2011, 11:52:41 PM
Reggie and Chuck really were hatin' tonight. Reggie has been sour all season about Ray breaking his record :lol
I can barely stand to listen to games he calls now.

I like The Basketball Jones' ranking best:
Dunk Rank, Top 5: (1) DeRozan's Showstopper, (2) Epic Vale's Two Nets, (3) Blake's Elbow, (4) DD's Easy Bay Funk Remix, (5) Ibaka's Dr. J.

Pity it's the dumb car stunt that will get replayed forever. Basically anyone in the league could have made that dunk, except maybe Steve Nash.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 20, 2011, 12:51:52 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JxPy95ogiw&feature=feedu[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 20, 2011, 12:00:52 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HPvkBGtHPc&feature=feedu_more[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dTLl0oPa30&feature=feedu_more[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scJil4Gz3C8&feature=feedu[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjDE6bHVsMk[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 20, 2011, 12:52:40 PM
DeRozan's reverse windmill was my favorite dunk. That's the kind of dunk I like. I think I like Blake's dunks more in the flow of the game rather than in a competition like this.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 20, 2011, 12:57:03 PM
Quote from: Wrath2X on February 20, 2011, 12:44:48 PM
I was pissed how the 3 ball dunks and the two dunks at the same time got good scores. I prefer the actual dunks to the gimmicks.

Save the actual dunks for real games, the All-Star Game is all about style and gimmicks.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 20, 2011, 08:08:12 PM
Craig Sager :bow
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 20, 2011, 08:10:19 PM
Stevie Wonder at the game  :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 20, 2011, 08:21:29 PM
Are you gonna go my way.

Really?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 20, 2011, 08:34:25 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 20, 2011, 08:21:29 PM
Are you gonna go my way.

Really?

He'll be playing that song at sports events thru 2040
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 20, 2011, 11:26:54 PM
Decent enough all star game. Got competitive in the fourth because of Lebron and Kobe which is what you want.


[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLjnV0MW-yc&feature=feedu[/youtube]

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 21, 2011, 12:32:01 AM
Durant had a big game too, especially those 5 points near the end.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Bocsius on February 21, 2011, 11:05:44 PM
Reportedly a done deal. Carmelo to the Knicks. Everyone but Amare to Denver.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 21, 2011, 11:13:21 PM
Quote from: Bocsius on February 21, 2011, 11:05:44 PM
Everyone but Amare to Denver.

:lol

At least the Knicks are also getting back Ronaldo Blackman but they still won't win a championship before Stoudemire and Anthony have retired. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 21, 2011, 11:20:05 PM
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The New York Knicks have acquired Carmelo Anthony, league sources told ESPN The Magazine's senior writer Chris Broussard on Monday night.

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Looking for more information on your Knicks? ESPNNewYork.com has you covered. Blog

League sources also told Broussard that none of the teams can officially confirm the deal until Tuesday.

The swap is a three-way deal including Minnesota, a league source told Broussard.

As a part of the deal, Denver will get Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks' 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors' 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors' 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash while Chauncey Billups, Shelden Williams, Anthony Carter and Renaldo Balkman will head to New York, according to the Denver Post.

New York will send Anthony Randolph and Eddy Curry to Minnesota as part of the deal, according to the newspaper.

"I'm glad its over," Nuggets coach George Karl said, according to the Denver Post. "I'm glad it's an opportunity to reinvent. I think everybody handled it as classy as you could handle it. There's some sadness to it, there always will be."

Photos: Carmelo Anthony's career


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a star's career: Carmelo Anthony

Anthony wasn't at the Nuggets' practice on Monday night. Instead, the All-Star forward was in Burbank, Calif., taping a segment on "Conan."

Anthony, who has been the subject of intense speculation as Thursday's trade deadline approaches, stayed behind in Los Angeles following the NBA All-Star Game while his teammates gathered at the Pepsi Center.

Team spokesman Tim Gelt told The Associated Press that Anthony's absence was excused. Late Monday afternoon, Anthony tweeted: "Headed to Burbank to film THE CONAN SHOW."

Anthony has been the subject of trade talks ever since he declined to sign a three-year, $65 million extension with the Nuggets last summer. His biggest pursuers were the Knicks and New Jersey Nets.

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=6145912
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: pilonv1 on February 21, 2011, 11:41:31 PM
Don't know how but the Knicks defense is worse now. And they can't rebound. Will be hilarious to watch.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 21, 2011, 11:44:35 PM
Billups to NY!  :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 21, 2011, 11:52:09 PM
Quote from: pilonv1 on February 21, 2011, 11:41:31 PM
Don't know how but the Knicks defense is worse now. And they can't rebound. Will be hilarious to watch.

It wasn't like they were going to go anywhere with the squad currently as assembled anyway. Better to roll the die and try to be great while the moment is there.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 21, 2011, 11:57:34 PM
Best thing about this trade is that Melo now gets to play Lebron 4 times a year.  He usually gives his best effort in those match-ups.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Mandark on February 22, 2011, 12:17:16 AM
Good for the Nuggets.  They managed to get quite a haul, compared to what teams usually get for a disgruntled star (remember Toronto's take for the Vince Carter trade?  Me neither).
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 22, 2011, 12:25:26 AM
NY gets Billups too? Holy shit
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 22, 2011, 12:28:11 AM
I don't know enough about basketball to make a judgement call, but people whose opinions I usually respect do NOT seem to like this trade. The Knicks really gave up a shitload.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Mandark on February 22, 2011, 12:32:34 AM
It was a ton to give up if they thought they had a good shot at getting him in free agency.

Good chance it makes them a little worse in the short term, too.  But it's a lot easier to acquire players roughly as good as the ones they gave up than it is to get another Carmelo.

Then again, maybe Amare's knees give out and none of this matters.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 22, 2011, 12:46:35 AM
Just came across Basketball reference's community rankings today. 

Pretty good list.  I can't argue with their top 5 although my 6-10 are probably different. 

(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1781/nbac.png)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: pilonv1 on February 22, 2011, 12:48:14 AM
:lol @ LeBron being higher than Kobe.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 22, 2011, 12:51:03 AM
Quote from: pilonv1 on February 22, 2011, 12:48:14 AM
:lol @ LeBron being higher than Kobe.

Invalidates the entire list

kobe kobe kobee
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 22, 2011, 12:51:21 AM
The gap should be even larger. :patel

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 22, 2011, 12:55:33 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 22, 2011, 12:51:03 AM
Quote from: pilonv1 on February 22, 2011, 12:48:14 AM
:lol @ LeBron being higher than Kobe.

Invalidates the entire list

kobe kobe kobee

Kobe Bryant? What's he done lately? Overrated player total.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 22, 2011, 01:01:45 AM
The real travesty is Havlicek being ranked as only the 6th greatest white player, 7th if you count Karl Malone.  He's pretty much the only white player that could not only score but guard the best black players 1 on 1. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: pilonv1 on February 22, 2011, 01:05:09 AM
There's too many current players in that list anyway.

Chris Paul? Jason Kidd? DWAYNE WADE one spot behind Mikan? I don't even see Kevin McHale. gahbage
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 22, 2011, 01:06:13 AM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on February 22, 2011, 12:28:11 AM
I don't know enough about basketball to make a judgement call, but people whose opinions I usually respect do NOT seem to like this trade. The Knicks really gave up a shitload.

It's much harder to get a superstar much less two versus rebuilding a bunch of lesser players and a bench. Yes the knicks gave up a lot and took on a lot but if they are serious about winning a title now (well not this season but in the next couple or three) is probably the time to actually go for it rather than waiting for Amare to blow out his knee again. It's better to try to build a team around Melo and Amare and a bunch of scrubs rather than what they had in place which was just a .500 basketball team. They could have potentially waited until the off-season but then Melo might have been pissed about leaving money on the table and might have said no out of spite. Who knows.

This is New York. You either go for it big or you don't go for it. It's not Oklahoma or Utah or something where people have somewhat realistic expectation for the franchise.

Edit: Note I re-read this and it kind of came off as a bit hectoring so just to be clear this wasn't aimed at you CajoleJuice. Just my general thoughts on the subject.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 22, 2011, 01:08:21 AM
Yeah, it gets really weak after the top 20 but 1-20 is mostly solid. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 22, 2011, 01:27:43 AM
Stoney knows what's going on here :bow. If I was a Knicks fan, my one big concern now would be that the next CBA might make it hard for teams with 2 big-ass contracts in place to get surrounding pieces. I doubt it will be much of a problem for a team like the Knicks though. There is always a way to pay players if you really want to.

The REAL excitement for the hardcore hoops fans starts now...do the Nuggets completely break it up before the trade deadline on Thursday? There are a LOT of nice pieces there that could affect the playoffs way more than Melo and Gallinari will.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 22, 2011, 01:31:56 AM
Steve Nash going to a top 5 contender would be awesome. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 22, 2011, 01:36:49 AM
Seems like a good move. They weren't winning this year (or next year) anyway, and have time to get some players around Melo/Amare. In the meantime they'll sell out the Garden and give fans what they want. This could make them a hotspot for older FAs chasing rings, like the Heat. Maybe they pick up some decent role players who would have gone to the Heat or Lakers in the off season.

Getting Billups will definitely help too.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 22, 2011, 01:47:41 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 22, 2011, 01:31:56 AM
Steve Nash going to a top 5 contender would be awesome. 

He doesn't even have that big of a contract. If I were the Lakers, I'd sure as hell try to get him. The scary thing about them is that they've always had crappy PGs. And who could be more perfect to serve up assists to the Big 3 in Miami. Dallas is another idea, and they have the depth to make a trade work. Beaubois and Butler, done.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 22, 2011, 04:32:18 AM
uh, the Knicks are one game over .500. Are you fucking kidding me. What is waiting for them in the off-season?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: pilonv1 on February 22, 2011, 05:14:25 AM
Could have tried to sign someone straight up in the off-season but it's not guaranteed and you have to contend with the new CBA.

I'm interested to see what the Nuggets do with Felton, surely they aren't keeping Lawson and Felton.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 22, 2011, 06:07:18 AM
The Knicks are quite possibly gonna be THE free agent destination now, asssuming they'll have more money than Miami (although that's not a given witht the CBA). Dwight Howard, Chris Paul and Deron Williams all have only AA year left on their deals and could well pull a Melo next season. Can't believe that there are people that don't like this for the Knicks.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Mandark on February 22, 2011, 07:09:17 AM
Well, if they could have gotten Carmelo in the offseason for nothing (or for a pittance like Miami paid Cleveland for LeBron), then they should have done that.  They could have either gone forward with two big time scorers and a bunch of young role-players, or parlayed those guys into Paul/Howard/D-Will/Disgruntled Star X (whom they might land anyway; what does this do for their cap obligations in the '12 offseason?).

If Anthony was actually going to sign an extension with the Nets, then they made the right call (for themselves and for Melo, who would have been stuck on a terrible team).
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 22, 2011, 08:16:55 AM
Yeah, but let's remember that they just got snubbed by LeBron, Bosh etc etc last offseason. The Dolans have always been eager to throw cash and assets at anyone halfway decent, no way would they have had the patience to let Melo's contract expire.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 22, 2011, 12:38:47 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 22, 2011, 01:06:13 AM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on February 22, 2011, 12:28:11 AM
I don't know enough about basketball to make a judgement call, but people whose opinions I usually respect do NOT seem to like this trade. The Knicks really gave up a shitload.
Edit: Note I re-read this and it kind of came off as a bit hectoring so just to be clear this wasn't aimed at you CajoleJuice. Just my general thoughts on the subject.

You are way too diplomatic. I don't give a shit, that wasn't harsh at all. :lol

My understanding of the situation is exactly like yours, Mandark. I just guess there's no way for us to tell if Melo would have gone and signed an extension with the Nets if this didn't happen. This is not like when the Mets gave up total garbage for Johan Santana. The Knicks actually gave up valuable pieces. If they wouldn't have gotten Melo anyhow, then it's worth it, but otherwise...

But like Cormac says, the Knicks have been snubbed before. I'd like to think the Knicks would have been attractive if they finished a few games over .500, though? Whatever, I might start watching games again now, and that's what they were shooting for.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 22, 2011, 02:28:56 PM
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CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Toronto Raptors  guard DeMar DeRozan vows he's finished competing in the NBA's slam dunk contest unless the myriad props that dominated Saturday's event are eliminated.

Asked Tuesday if he believes he was robbed when he didn't reach the final of the competition, DeRozan replied, "I think so."

Blake Griffin of the Los Angeles Clippers won by leaping over a car to edge Washington's JaVale McGee in the last round.

"I'm a dunker. Dunk contests, you go out there and dunk. I'm not into all the props and everything," DeRozan said at shootaround before Tuesday's game against Charlotte. "I try to come out with a creative dunk and do it and go from there. My fans liked it and you can see the reaction from a lot of people afterward.

"If there's a dunk contest next year I'll do it. But not no prop dunk contest."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6147372

:bow
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 22, 2011, 04:24:50 PM
Sounds like sour grapes to me. Props are awesome.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 22, 2011, 05:26:48 PM
Nate Silver

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/22/deal-for-anthony-may-limit-knicks-upside/?hpw

Yeah, don't like the trade.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 22, 2011, 06:52:19 PM
So a team with Amare, Chris Paul and Melo projects to 47 wins?

I think even Hollinger would look at that and think 'that's fucked up'. Show me a 47 win team this season that those 3 couldn't beat playing 3 on 5 with you and I to round out the numbers.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Bocsius on February 22, 2011, 11:06:27 PM
I'll team with those 3. Just as long as they know I'm getting my shots.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 22, 2011, 11:23:32 PM
I've owned NCAA Div. 1 players before.  Can I get the 5th spot?

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 22, 2011, 11:24:51 PM
Quote from: Bocsius on February 22, 2011, 11:06:27 PM
I'll team with those 3. Just as long as they know I'm getting my shots.

:lol

cortisol shots is all you'll get broseph
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Mandark on February 22, 2011, 11:43:53 PM
That Silver article is a good reason why you can't just apply baseball sabrmetric reasoning to basketball.  The player interactions are more complex and the publicly available data is limited (a lot of the good stuff is proprietary to NBA teams which keep much more detailed records to get an edge).

Even if you accepted EWA as an end-all stat*, the logic of converting it to a cash value and getting a sum for the roster makes no sense.  Only five players can play at a time.  At the very least you'd want to calculate EWA/48min, then figure a team's best rotation with starters maxing out at ~40 minutes, cause that's how it's going to be in the playoffs.

Plus the economic analysis is off.  Having star players will let New York use the cap loopholes (if they survive) to get aging stars chasing a ring and role players looking to get on the bandwagon.  The players they traded away were mostly outplaying their salary because they're on rookie contracts.  If you don't trade them you'll wind up with basically the same roster for a lot more money in a few years (see: Trailblazers, Portland).

Like I said on the last page, this might actually make NY a worse team in the near term.  But it sets them up for some serious U-shaped improvement.



spoiler (click to show/hide)
*I'm on record as being a big Hollinger fanboy, but you know who was consistently the worst rated SG in the league in terms of EWA during the early 00's?  Bruce Bowen.
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Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 22, 2011, 11:59:04 PM
Btw, I was completely serious about schooling those Division 1 players but they just happened to be female.  LOL
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 22, 2011, 11:59:29 PM
I'm wondering if this will give Billups a boost or not. He had a giant fork in his back last time I saw him in Denver.

How do you like the sound of Battier to the Celtics, Mandark? I haven't bothered to watch many Rockets games this year because they are so middle of the road. It seems like it should be a very nice fit though. Pierce will need a breather in the playoffs for sure.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Mandark on February 23, 2011, 12:08:23 AM
Haven't seen much of him this year either, but assuming he hasn't fallen off sharply, he's the archetype of the role player good teams want: spaces the floor, plays defense, has a good attitude.  Not a great offensive player, but good teams will already have top-notch shot creators.  You know Rondo could find him for those corner 3's, for example.

Any contender should take a hard look at acquiring him, but the C's don't have a lot of trade assets.  I'm actually kind of surprised that he didn't get snapped up in the last year and a half as the Rockets went with their youth movement.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 23, 2011, 12:10:13 AM
I've seen Battier play a lot in the past few seasons and he doesn't seem well suited to guard the type of wing player that the Celtics usually have a problem with, i.e. slashers like Wade.  Also, Kobe is probably too familiar with Battier for him to be an effective Kobe stopper in the finals.  
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 23, 2011, 12:16:40 AM
Yeah, but it's more-or-less impossible to guard slashers these days, particularly the PGs. All you can do is slow them a bit, hope they take jumpers instead and try to make it back on the other end.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 23, 2011, 12:20:30 AM
The Cs have a fair amount of injured assets they could probably live without for the stretch run, particularly Marquis Daniels and Jermaine O'Neal. Still, if they have Delonte West, Shaq, Big Baby and Nate for the playoffs, they're pretty well set. They don't have a whole lot of value to other teams though. I doubt they will stay pat if they can help it of course - the playoffs are going to be brutal this year.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 23, 2011, 12:21:16 AM
I was just thinking the other day how Iverson's PER would go way up in today's NBA because his FG% would be much closer to 50%.  That combined with how much foul trouble he would get the other team in, he could easily win more than 1 MVP.  
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 23, 2011, 12:31:35 AM
Yeah, and he'd have played another 2-3yrs at his peak too with these rules. Especially if he'd taken better care of himself (weights and diet).

Just look at Monta Ellis for an example of how untouchable AI would be, given AI's superior talent and athleticism.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Mandark on February 23, 2011, 12:51:24 AM
I hate to sound like a crank, but Iverson would only have been better if he adjusted his game, even with the hand-checking rules.

I don't mean anything about Playing The Right Way or any of that, but he always seemed very willing to take low percentage 2 point jumpers off the dribble, when he was way faster than anyone else on the court.  Constantly going to the rim could have shortened his career, given his slight frame, but I saw him live at a few games and every time I got the impression of someone who could run by anyone but didn't always make the decisions to capitalize on this.

Sort of a reverse of Steve Nash, or Chris Paul on one leg.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 23, 2011, 01:19:04 AM
That's undeniable, but no-one would be successful doing nothing but driving to the rim. That's all Corey Maggette does, for example. Most people couldn't tell you what team he plays on, despite owning almost everybody in the league in terms of getting to the rim and drawing fouls for years. AI did take too many but he might well have driven more if he had gotten beaten up less.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 23, 2011, 11:06:58 AM
Deron Williams traded to the Nets?! Whoa

from Twitter -
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Utah has agreed to trade All-Star point guard Deron Williams to Nets in multi-player package, Yahoo! Sports has learned. Deal is done.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 23, 2011, 11:25:17 AM
Once again, all I'm hearing is: Dolan loses, Williams > Anthony, lol Knicks

Please explain again, Mandark. Your response to the article I posted was enlightening. :D
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 23, 2011, 11:48:04 AM
poor Cohen  :'(
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Mandark on February 23, 2011, 02:22:31 PM
Wow.  If he signs an extension, great deal for the Nets.  If he doesn't, very bad deal for the Nets.

Likewise, it makes it seem like NY could have landed Williams this year and still made a run at Carmelo in the offseason.  Hollinger's take on the Melo trade was pretty scathing, since he seemed sure that he never intended to go anywhere else and everyone involved was bluffing to extract as much as possible from the Knicks.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 23, 2011, 03:39:01 PM
Sigh. :(
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 23, 2011, 07:37:29 PM
Knicks versus Bucks tonight. On now actually. I guess Carmelo is playing. Should be interesting.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 23, 2011, 07:59:19 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 23, 2011, 02:22:31 PM
Wow.  If he signs an extension, great deal for the Nets.  If he doesn't, very bad deal for the Nets.

Likewise, it makes it seem like NY could have landed Williams this year and still made a run at Carmelo in the offseason.  Hollinger's take on the Melo trade was pretty scathing, since he seemed sure that he never intended to go anywhere else and everyone involved was bluffing to extract as much as possible from the Knicks.

Maybe so, with hindsight. I mean, now it seems like LeBron could only ever have gone to Miami and everyone else was wasting their time. But the other teams who tried to get LeBron still did the right thing, IMHO, even if they swung and missed.

For the Knicks, Dwight Howard and Chris Paul are still in play, not to mention Nash. The Knicks gave up more than they needed to, but they still got the best player in the deal by a long way. I still think they have to do that trade, although it's still the case that Dolan needs to sit down and STFU.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 23, 2011, 08:05:55 PM
Hollinger's take on Deron Williams (it's Insider so don't want to paste here - would spoiler tags hide it...?)

http://forums.hipinion.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=19724&start=5250
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 23, 2011, 08:30:58 PM
but you scored a huge moral victory. Sloan gets sweet revenge from the grave.

Also, the unprotected pick from the Nets next year should be pretty high. Favors has been bad from what I've seen though :(
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 23, 2011, 08:34:12 PM
Is Favors the guy who got demoted to d-league a few months ago?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 23, 2011, 08:35:53 PM
no.

He's got skills, just displays the usual rookie big man cluelessness. Foul trouble etc. He might get better or he might always be this way, it's tough to tell right now.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 23, 2011, 08:38:36 PM
It'll be interesting to see how badly Deron wants to get out of Newark. He can easily force his way out of there by refusing to sign an extension. Would he take less under the new CBA to go to the Knicks or another contender? Who knows how big a max contract might be next season anyway.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: ch1nchilla on February 23, 2011, 09:23:00 PM
I'm oddly hopeful for the Thuggets vs Boston tomorrow post-Tuesday victory.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 23, 2011, 10:22:12 PM
I watched most of the knicks game. It was as expected. A lot of offense. No defense.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 23, 2011, 11:46:16 PM
Reign Man telling it like it is.  :bow2

The 41-year-old joined KJR in Seattle with Dave Mahler and Ian Furness on Wednesday and called Griffin's final dunk "weak."

"I'm a big Blake Griffin fan, but that dunk at the contest might've been the weakest dunk in the dunk contest that I've seen in a long time," Kemp said. "I love the choir and all that stuff was great, but you at least gotta jump over the car though right."

Kemp also said that he could jump over a car.

"I'm 41 years old and right now I could do it. Two Smart Cars," he said.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/23/shawn-kemp-blake-griffin-car-dunk-weak_n_827282.html




I just finished watching the dunk contest on my DVR tonight.  Most of the dunks were quite nice but I feel that it's a contest which will be much better in highlights than when it actually happened.  Too many of the dunks just took too many attempts to complete.  Even after some of those dunks were finally completed, they still failed to impress much because you knew they were just plan-b efforts after the players had given up on harder dunks.  Blake was especially guilty of this.  It really puts into perspective how awesome Vince Carter's performance was.  VC completed every dunk on the first try and each of those was arguably harder than anything in this contest. 

I gotta agree with Reign Man on the last dunk.  If you gonna do a dunk like that, at least jump over the damn car.  Blake should have tried jumping over the highest point of the car instead of that weak ass effort over the hood. 
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 23, 2011, 11:55:10 PM
But can Kemp jump over all his children then dunk?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 23, 2011, 11:56:46 PM
:lol

Maybe if his kids are standing in front of a buffet table. 
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 24, 2011, 12:16:42 AM
Smooth - I totally agree. I've seen people dunk over a car for real in dunk contests so thought it was totally lame.

But since the whole thing was so stage-managed, I guess they didn't want to risk it. Imagine the official car of the NBA being responsible for the NBA's most promising rookie breaking his neck :(

Also have to point out that
1) Blake's off-the-backboard elbow dunk was better than VC's version;
2) Ibaka's free throw line dunk was better than Vince's, which
3) was also an obvious play-it-safe dunk which didn't deserve the 50 it got.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 24, 2011, 12:30:41 AM
Vince got higher than Blake although passing and catching it off the backboard do add more difficulty.  Also, he was the first one to ever try something like that. 

Ibaka's dunk was definitely better although I could understand why it didn't get a 50.  Although MJ and Dr. J didn't jump from as far away, they managed to convey hang-time in a way that Ibaka didn't.  Perhaps it was just another case of a big man getting screwed because it looked too easy.  The way Ibaka did it, it almost seemed like a rountine fast break dunk.  I think he easily could have got a 50 if he had cocked back the ball a bit more and bent the knees closer to his waist.  Still, I don't think he would have won.  This year's dunk contest was more rigged than any game officiated by Tom Donaghy. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 24, 2011, 12:33:03 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 24, 2011, 12:16:42 AM
Imagine the official car of the NBA being responsible for the NBA's most promising rookie breaking his neck :(

This.

They are not going to let anybody actually endanger themselves in the contest.

Also its a modern dunk contest. It's not the first time a gimmick dunk has won or will win. I honestly don't take it that seriously other than to see an occasional good dunk.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 24, 2011, 12:42:32 AM
Ceballos' gimmick dunk is still the worst dunk to win a dunk contest.  He's also easily the worst champion ever, followed closely by Kobe. 
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Post by: Smooth Groove on February 24, 2011, 12:53:22 AM
[youtube=560,345]bsOSKib89Ek[/youtube]

2:12

Kadour Ziani at 5 ft 10, jumps from much farther away than Griffin for his car dunk.  Also, Kadour used a much better car. 
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Post by: Bacchus7 on February 24, 2011, 01:11:08 AM
I fucking hate the Lakers.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 24, 2011, 01:56:11 AM
Baron Davis to the Cavs for Mo Williams. Given Sterling's comments about Baron from the sidelines, I guess this was inevitable. Don't see how Mo makes them better though. Baron will help the Cavs tank though, since he truly will not give a fuck playing in Cleveland.
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Post by: Smooth Groove on February 24, 2011, 02:11:24 AM
I'm not a big fan of Baron but I kinda feel sorry for him.  Because of Blake, he was just starting to care again and now he's traded to a team that's even worse than the Clippers have been for awhile.  My friend played against Baron in HS and said that his athleticism was amazing even back then.  No matter how much space my friend gave Baron, he just blew by effortlessly. 
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 24, 2011, 02:18:49 AM
Yea, I've seen people jump over cars irl dunk exploits too. The dunk was pretty meh, outside of the theatrics. The NBA probably realized the dunk contest is the only interesting thing about all star weekend and decided to spice things up. But instead of making it more appealing to the players most people would prefer to see in the contest, they just turned it into some WWF gimmick show. I thought the dunk with the Asian boy was the shark jumping moment, but it basically got worse and worse.
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Post by: Smooth Groove on February 24, 2011, 02:20:50 AM
It was funny to see Cheryl kick the kid out of the arena though. 
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 24, 2011, 10:42:36 AM
Quote from: Wrath2X on February 24, 2011, 03:50:17 AM
poor baron, him and blake made an awesome duo

Blake and you would make an awesome duo. That's not saying much.

Let's also think of Mo Williams, who joins Vinnie Del Negro in getting cruelly separated from one career-making player (LeBron and Derrick Rose, respectively), only to fall into the laps of another (Blake Griffin and Blake Griffin).
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Post by: Stoney Mason on February 24, 2011, 06:24:39 PM
Quote
Just before Thursday's 3 p.m. ET trade deadline, the Boston Celtics agreed to ship center Kendrick Perkins and guard Nate Robinson to the Oklahoma City Thunder for forward Jeff Green and big man Nenad Krstic, two league sources said.

Neither team was done, though.

The Celtics also traded rookie center Semih Erden and forward Luke Harangody to the Cleveland Cavaliers for a second-round draft pick.

While the Celtics were unloading big men, the Thunder acquired another one, sending Morris Peterson and D.J. White to Charlotte for center Nazr Mohammed, sources told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher.

Celtics director of basketball operations Danny Ainge said Wednesday that Perkins is out at least a week after spraining the medial collateral ligament in his left knee. He missed 43 games this season recovering from right knee surgery.

Robinson tweeted reaction to the deal: "All I can say is wowzers -- Will miss all my Boston fans I love y'all, u guys showed me love."
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 24, 2011, 06:28:20 PM
reeling at this, just reeling

help me understand this mr hollinger, help me

Great move for the Thunder - I was saying they should trade Green and Harden a page or two back - but I have no idea what the Celts are thinking other than 'we need someone else to guard LeBron'. Shaq better be ok for the playoffs or this could be disastrous.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 24, 2011, 06:29:43 PM
Yeah it definitely seems a bit odd from the Celtics side.

Nice trade for Oklahoma though.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 24, 2011, 06:35:56 PM
I watch the Thunder a lot and I hate fucking Jeff Green too - most invisible 6'10'' player ever. He has no standout skill whatsoever. Whereas Hard Workin' Kendrick Perkins is just a beast on D and the offensive boards as well as being an underrated low post option. Plus, that team just clicks when those 5 are on the court together. It has obviously been their best combo by far this year (don't know what the stats say on that tho - they are certainly better on offense with Shaq but only in short spurts).
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Post by: Bocsius on February 24, 2011, 07:03:14 PM
Some other trades

Gerald Wallace (Bobcats) to the Trailblazers for Joel Pryzbilla and draft picks
Shane Battier (Rockets) to the Grizzlies for Hasheem Thabeet and picks
Aaron Brooks (Rockets) to the Suns for Goran Dragic and picks
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 24, 2011, 08:22:32 PM
Andrew Bynum is probably rejoicing.  Despite the apparent disparity in size and talent, Perkins almost always manages to equal Bynum's play. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 24, 2011, 08:52:41 PM
Why? He'll likely seem Perkins on the Thunder.

The CELTICS may be seeing him again on the Thunder :(

Unless the Cs pick up some awesome bigs on waivers real soon, I think this is a horrible trade for them. Ray and Pierce are gonna be pissed at losing their best screener too. Perkins was one of the best in the league. The only one happy about this is Big Baby Davis.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 24, 2011, 08:56:59 PM
Well, it's not for certain that Perkins would perform just as well on the Thunder.  Like you said, Perkins had almost perfect chemistry with his Boston teammates. 
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 24, 2011, 09:01:07 PM
Well, the only downside is maybe that he doesn't have any kind of range, which is what Krstic sort-of gave the Thunder.

(there is the possible comedy angle that the Celtics were actually trading for Krstic so they would have their own white, balding 7 footer with a midrange jumper and nothing else to match up with Ilgauskas..)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 24, 2011, 09:03:56 PM
There's also the possibility that Perkin's injury last year was a factor that triggered the Celtics to make this trade.  Maybe they figured that two so-so big men are still better than none. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 24, 2011, 09:20:10 PM
A bigger factor is probably that they were unsure they could resign him next year, and thought they needed to get value for him now. If so, props to Ainge for being icy-cold. They have 3 roster spots open to sign guys who get bought out or waived after the deadline - we can be pretty sure they will be filled somehow. The Cs are a pretty good bet for ring-hunters. I know there is no other Kendrick Perkins out there tho.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on February 24, 2011, 09:24:13 PM
Bulls playing the Heat on tnt right now. 2nd half is just starting.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on February 24, 2011, 09:50:23 PM
Good game. Has playoff-like intensity.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on February 24, 2011, 10:00:55 PM
Bosh is 1 of 15 tonight. You think he would take that as a clue to be more aggressive and actually get near the rim and attack. It's just not in him.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on February 24, 2011, 10:27:49 PM
Like a Bosh 1 of 18


[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2--uG4QMlA0[/youtube]

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Post by: Stoney Mason on February 24, 2011, 10:40:40 PM
It's over. And Miami loses again to another quality team. Does not bode well for the playoffs.
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Post by: Smooth Groove on February 24, 2011, 10:47:57 PM
Not only that but Rose stole even more MVP votes from Lebron tonight.  It's almost certain now that Rose will have the honor of being one of the weakest MVPs ever. 
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Post by: Stoney Mason on February 24, 2011, 11:11:38 PM
1-for-18. Officially the worst shooting night in Heat history


And the worst by an nba player since Tim Hardaway (0-17) in 20 years.


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Post by: Mandark on February 24, 2011, 11:47:00 PM
Lots o' trades!

The Perkins trade -- aside from whether it was a good idea -- sure seems to be a statement from the Celtics.  And that statement is "we are not worried about the Orlando Magic one little bit".
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2011, 12:49:24 AM
I'm so out of the loop on the NBA. I thought Green was a great piece for OKC, and complimented Durant very well. Kinda odd they'd get rid of such a young, promising part of their nucleus. But from what I've read they need a big man badly, hence Perkins.

And speaking of Boston, I guess they aren't too worried about Howard?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 25, 2011, 01:27:17 AM
Jason Whitlock's take.  Playa hatin' or just real talk?

This whole NBA scenario — from LeBron’s Decision to Melo’s Madness to Deron’s Escape — reminds me of the American housing bubble.

You don’t need to read Michael Lewis’ latest book to see the NBA is headed for collapse.

That is not a statement about the product. The product is strong. We’re in the middle of one of the best NBA seasons in quite some time. Every night, there seems to be at least one must-see matchup, and the television networks — ABC, ESPN and TNT — trumpet the record number of viewers.

There are six legitimate championship teams — the Celtics, Spurs, Heat, Lakers, Bulls and Mavericks. There is a seemingly endless list of compelling superstars worth paying to see — James, Kevin Durant, Blake Griffin, Dwyane Wade, Amar’e Stoudemire, Derrick Rose, Kobe Bryant, Dwight Howard, Carmelo Anthony, Dirk Nowitzki, etc.

We’re at the height of the bubble. We’re at the brink of collapse.

For close to a decade, NBA players have walked the thin line between love and hate with their customers. The players crossed it when Ron Artest and several Indiana Pacers climbed into the stands to brawl with spectators. Commissioner David Stern instituted a string of new rules — dress code, tougher restrictions prohibiting fighting, 19-year-old age requirement for the draft — to push the players back on the other side of the line.

Those Band-Aid policies are starting to break. The players, many of whom have never grasped the need to understand and satisfy their customer base, are beginning to unwittingly push back.

Soaked in the arrogance of fame, wealth, immaturity and business ignorance, the players have dramatically reshaped the league with their free-agent and impending free-agent maneuvers.

In doing so — in destroying basketball in Cleveland, Utah and Denver — LeBron, Melo, Amar’e and Deron reinforced the perception among fans that teams don’t matter.

“As a player, you have to do what’s best for you,” Wade told reporters in reaction to the Carmelo trade to New York. “You can’t think about what someone’s going to feel or think on the outside. You have to do what’s best for you, and that’s what some players are doing. I’m happy for those players that felt that they wanted to be somewhere and they got their wish.”

That pretty much sums up the mentality of the modern-day American and modern-day pro athlete. Pleasing the individual takes precedence over everything else. It doesn’t matter that the collective strength of the NBA made Wade rich. Wade and other NBA players must be concerned only with themselves. That’s the American way.

The problem for basketball players is that they’re perceived differently than other pro athletes and Americans hold higher expectations for athletes than they do for themselves.

If NBA players were smart, they’d consider the health of the entire league.

They won’t. They can’t. They’re too young, too uneducated, too compromised by a society that intellectually cripples its physically gifted, beautiful and famous. You can’t see the big picture when you’re surrounded by male and female groupies.

It’s up to David Stern and the owners to protect the future of the league. They have to protect the players from themselves.

The problems facing the NBA are not unique. The problems are just more acute in the NBA as opposed to the NFL and major league baseball.

It’s easiest to see the break from traditional sports values in the NBA. The embrace of rebellious, hip-hop music culture, which is in direct opposition to the patriotism associated with sports, and the devastation of college basketball because of early entrants into the NBA put pro basketball players at odds with their fan base.

American sports fans love basketball. It is our most beautiful and graceful game. They don’t like or respect the participants. The fans don’t believe the players share their values. Fans care about the teams. The players don’t.

As the NBA heads for labor unrest in an attempt to negotiate a new collective-bargaining agreement, Stern and the owners should be super aggressive in addressing this fundamental problem.

A franchise tag for the league’s biggest stars won’t fix it.

Tying a significant percentage of player compensation to wins and losses is the solution, along with financial incentives for players to stay in college and pursue an actual education while there.

I’ve written in detail about these ideas in the past.

American basketball is in need of a major overhaul. Everything should be on the table. People should think outside the box. Money has changed pro sports. It’s long past time for the rules governing construction of teams and compensation of players to be fundamentally changed to reflect today’s reality.

The teams have to matter. Winning has to matter. It can’t simply be about players re-creating their AAU teams in their favorite NBA cities. That bubble is going to burst. The thin line between love and hate soon is going to be crossed irrevocably.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 25, 2011, 01:33:16 AM
Nonsense.

And having moved around as much as he has, he has a fucking cheek calling Melo and LeBron intellectual cripples for leveraging their success to get what they want.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 25, 2011, 01:33:22 AM
That little meme has been popping up in every writer's notebook over the last few days. Reily had a crap article up about it the other day. imo there is not enough factual evidence to support that take at this time. Especially since some of the lowest ratings come when any small market team actually appears in the finals. (San Antonio for example although their style of play didn't help of course) It strikes me as people complaining when reality sets in and they realize that big superstars don't want to play in the arm pits of america because those teams have trouble attracting free agents. It also strikes me as pretty "un-american" to attack people for excercising their right to change job locations. I would love to see how these writers would like it if people demonized their character based on job switches or even job performance. Where are all these writers when the Yankees do what they do every single season?


Yes, in theory its probably better in some sportman's sense if every team has an equitable chance of winning a title. The reality is that isn't the case in most major sports outside of football. And the reason it is in football is because by comparison, the union is weaker in that sport and owners have more power in that sport relative to others to revenue share and create parity.

 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2011, 01:41:48 AM
Basketball has been destroyed in Denver and Utah? Seems like Whitlock using one case to justify broad concern trolling.

FAs flee bad situations to join better ones. That happens in all the major team leagues (NBA, NFL, MLB). This meme that players have somehow taken power from the owners who literally own everything is laughable. There is no honor in the professional sports business. Hell in the NFL if you get injured you can get dropped and not even get payed what's in your contract if it's not guaranteed. Yet you never hear sports writers or analysts lamenting over this; instead we have to hear about how LeBron broke Gilbert's heart and murdered an entire city's economy. meh

I like the idea of an NBA with multiple championship quality teams.
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Post by: Mandark on February 25, 2011, 01:45:46 AM
I'd rather read David Brooks op-eds than moral scoldings disguised as sports columns.


Jason Whitlock gets a big fat :patel
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 25, 2011, 01:46:26 AM
The only way for every team to have the same chance of winning the title is only to have one team. The NBA has 30! It's just a ludicrous proposition.

This thing is just flamebait. Stern would love to crush the players, sure, but he also wants the Celtics and the Lakers in the finals every year, preferably with Kobe on one team and LeBron on the other. Ratings and attendance drive everything, and both are up. He'd be nuts to kill player movement with these results.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 25, 2011, 01:49:04 AM
Like I said there isn't enough data to say that parity by itself is what creates fan interest and drama.

The 80's were mostly dominated by two teams. The Lakers and the Celtics.
The 90's were dominated by mostly two teams. The Rockets and the Bulls.

Throw the pistons in there also.


Fan interest was very high in both decades.

The 70's by comparison had the highest level of parity ever. 8 different champions. No back to back champions. The league was in dire shape.



This is a slightly different argument of course. Whitlock is arguing that suddenly small market teams are being stabbed in the back and this is what will kill fan interest. But Orlando seems to do nicely and Shaq at the time was the biggest "stab in the back ever".

Smaller market teams have to function differently. That's reality unless a lot of big changes are made and free agency is essentially curtailed so players have to stay with their original teams. It's why the Oakland Athletics or a team like the Devil Rays function differently than the Yankees or the Red Sox.
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Post by: etiolate on February 25, 2011, 01:53:33 AM
Kings really needed a PG and somehow miss out on all the PGs traded. They are linked to a Deron Williams trade offer that got outbid, but their offer included Cousins instead of Evans, which really don't make sense team-wise.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Mandark on February 25, 2011, 02:05:36 AM
Yeah, Whitlock's trolling, like whatshisface who freaked out when John Wall did the dougie.  The funny thing is that this is basically a ten year old meme.

Almost every drinking-age NBA fan remembers the worries of the post-Jordan era, that the new generation of stars inflected by gangsta rap culture (Iverson, Marbury, Francis, etc) would alienate the fanbase, yadda yadda.  But the sky didn't fall in, and now the association is has a giant stable of talented, well-behaved, media-savvy young stars, The Decision aside.  Stern couldn't have wished for a better crop than the six or seven year period that brough LeBron, Howard, Paul, Rose, Durant, Griffin, etc.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 25, 2011, 02:07:52 AM
The idea that small market teams are getting stabbed in the back is ludicrous.

For a start, they EXIST. Lots of them!

Second, they CONTINUE to exist not because of their own efforts but because of the successful teams and players. Thanks to revenue sharing, they all get a cut of league-wide revenues even though not many people are buying cable to watch the Bobcats or the Raptors.

(I agree with you on parity btw...)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 25, 2011, 02:09:19 AM
Quote from: etiolate on February 25, 2011, 01:53:33 AM
Kings really needed a PG and somehow miss out on all the PGs traded. They are linked to a Deron Williams trade offer that got outbid, but their offer included Cousins instead of Evans, which really don't make sense team-wise.

DaMarcus Cousins in Utah :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 25, 2011, 02:14:21 AM
Rick Reilly is even more harsh. 

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=6150136

This is what the NBA has become: very tall, very rich twenty-somethings running the league from the backs of limos, colluding so that the best players gang up on the worst.


Hello, David Stern? Did you leave a wake-up call for the 21st century? Your clubs need to be able to protect their great players with a franchise tag, as the NFL does. If that isn't priority No. 1 in your lockout talks, you need the Wite-Out.

You wonder why the NFL continues to pull away from the NBA in this country? Three words: Green Bay Packers. Two more: Indianapolis Colts. The NFL finds a way to let cities that don't happen to have a Versace store hang on to their great players like, oh, say, Peyton Manning.

I find this article even more disturbing than Whitlock's.  His main problem seems to be that distinguished black fellows are calling the shots. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 25, 2011, 02:15:57 AM
Yeah the article is just really insulting. The whitlock one I'm talking about. (Reily writes such consistently stupid shit I just ignore him) And its not the first time I've felt that way about a Whitlock column. Because he's black he seems to think that gives him the right to say certain things that other people can't to be controversial even if they are stupid.

What does the bolded even mean?

Quote
The problems facing the NBA are not unique. The problems are just more acute in the NBA as opposed to the NFL and major league baseball.

It’s easiest to see the break from traditional sports values in the NBA. The embrace of rebellious, hip-hop music culture, which is in direct opposition to the patriotism associated with sports, and the devastation of college basketball because of early entrants into the NBA put pro basketball players at odds with their fan base.

American sports fans love basketball. It is our most beautiful and graceful game. They don’t like or respect the participants. The fans don’t believe the players share their values. Fans care about the teams. The players don’t.

This is a straight up black versus white issue. But instead he just treats it like yep. Something needs to be done to make these shifty negroes acceptable to white people in idaho.

Fuck him.

Even if the sentiment is true in a real talk sense at least acknowledge the reality of what is going on here.

Would it be acceptable to write that blacks don't like tennis because we don't like or respect the participants of that sport. Or that rebellious rock music makes black people not want to watch tennis? Is that really the level of analysis that should go into the question why don't black people as a group like tennis or golf?
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Post by: Smooth Groove on February 25, 2011, 02:23:15 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 25, 2011, 02:15:57 AM
(Reily writes such consistently stupid shit I just ignore him)

National Sportswriter of the Year 11 times :smug
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2011, 02:24:24 AM
sounds like the writers are mad their plan to give Steve Nash the MVP didn't produce a fresh crop of clean shaven white guys to take back the court
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 25, 2011, 02:24:55 AM
I just realized I could have rebuked the 'small teams are getting screwed' theory in 3 words - 'Oklahoma City Thunder'

Somehow, they have 2 All-Stars, a high playoff spot and are suddenly a championship contender. In fucking Oklahoma.

(probably because Durant and Westbrook are closet fans of both golf and Perry Como)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 25, 2011, 02:26:02 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2011, 02:24:24 AM
sounds like the writers are mad their plan to give Steve Nash the MVP didn't produce a fresh crop of clean shaven white guys to take back the court

Well, they got Blake Griffin, who is...I don't know what he is actually
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 25, 2011, 02:32:18 AM
The thing is I think there is a good intelligent conversation to be had about if the "era of the superteam" is a good thing for the league or not. I mean we had a mini-version of that debate in this thread when Lebron joined the Heat I remember. Some were pro it and some were against it.  I get why that's an interesting and relevant conversation to have. I just don't like it when writers don't use facts to discuss it or don't acknowledge that they aren't using logic and are completely speaking out of their ass with their personal preference. Also leave the borderline race argument of dissing people riding in their limos and caddy's while listening to rap music by the wayside please. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Mandark on February 25, 2011, 02:32:40 AM
Man, that Reilly column is impressively dumb.  The franchise tag lets teams keep their best players and compete, leading to small-market champions like Indy and Green Bay?

*  Green Bay won a title because it let its franchise player go and drafted a good replacement.
*  The franchise tag is almost never used on Manning or Brady types, but on disgruntled pass rushers who want to leave.
*  If anything, the NFL's hard cap forces teams to give up key players, because it's impossible to pay market value for your team if they all get good.
*  The NBA has teams in Sacramento, Oklahoma City, San Antonio, Salt Lake City, Memphis, and Portland.  All small markets, none served by other sports, all teams that have made the playoffs in the last decade, and several which had some very good runs.


And that's just what's wrong with the part Smooth posted.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 25, 2011, 02:33:24 AM
"very tall, very rich twenty-somethings" is basically code for black. Truly a disgusting article.  I wish someone prominent would call out Reilly.  
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2011, 02:35:29 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 25, 2011, 02:33:24 AM
"very tall, very rich twenty-somethings" is basically code for black. Truly a disgusting article.  I wish someone prominent would call out Reilly.  

Jason Whitlock perhaps
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 25, 2011, 02:39:09 AM
Watching Bulls - Heat now. It's interesting how the Bulls are so good without wildly impressive talent. Like Boston, it's just talent that fits well together, and whipped to a froth by Thibodeau. Should make for a very interesting series if they run into the Heat - it could well turn into a replay of Boston vs the Cavs last year. Plus they already seem to have some hate going, which is always good.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 25, 2011, 02:42:27 AM
"you need the Wite-Out" :wtf

Did Reilly think that he was posting with his stormfront account instead?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 25, 2011, 02:50:33 AM
Just noticed that LeBron did Wade's Two-Step on the last drive to tie it...don't think I've seen him do that before.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 25, 2011, 02:57:11 AM
Lebron had an impressive reverse dunk tonight but it was ridiculous how easy he made it look. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: T-Short on February 25, 2011, 03:04:52 AM
Pistons couldn't get rid of Rip. huahua

Now the question is, will he continue to be benched
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 25, 2011, 03:17:47 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 25, 2011, 02:57:11 AM
Lebron had an impressive reverse dunk tonight but it was ridiculous how easy he made it look. 

The last quarter of the All-Star game was also a reminder that he is in fact the baddest man on the planet, whoever wins the MVP or whoever scores the most points this season.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 25, 2011, 03:19:41 AM
Quote from: Hyoushi on February 25, 2011, 03:04:52 AM
Pistons couldn't get rid of Rip. huahua

Now the question is, will he continue to be benched

The OJ Mayo non-trade was comedy too. How much longer is Rip's contract? They might just buy him out, freeing him to go to a contender on the cheap.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 25, 2011, 03:30:48 AM
:lol

OJ Mayo's inferiority complex is only gonna get worse.  Next he'll be bragging to his teammates about his kindergarten exploits on a NERF hoop. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: T-Short on February 25, 2011, 03:46:01 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 25, 2011, 03:19:41 AM
Quote from: Hyoushi on February 25, 2011, 03:04:52 AM
Pistons couldn't get rid of Rip. huahua

Now the question is, will he continue to be benched

The OJ Mayo non-trade was comedy too. How much longer is Rip's contract? They might just buy him out, freeing him to go to a contender on the cheap.

Rip has 2 years and $25 mill left. The deal that fell apart was a trade to the Cavs, but he didn't want the minutes, hehe

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The Pistons and the Cleveland Cavaliers agreed to a trade that would have sent Richard Hamilton to the Cavaliers, but the deal fell apart when Hamilton and the Cavaliers could not agree to terms on a buyout, Yahoo! Sports reported.

The deal apparently would have had the Pistons sending Hamilton and a future first-round pick to the Cavaliers for a future second-round pick and a trade exception the Cavaliers currently hold. Basically, the Cavaliers would have been purchasing a first-round pick from the Pistons at the cost of whatever they were willing to pay Hamilton in a buyout.

edit: also this

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Several reports have said the Boston Celtics would be interested in Hamilton should he receive a buyout from the Pistons, but that does not even seem to be a possibility until the Pistons are sold -- and might not be a possibility even then.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 25, 2011, 03:48:51 AM
short version: Detroit won't be retiring his number anytime soon :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 25, 2011, 04:02:07 AM
Are the Pistons willing to do a straight up trade for Mike Miller?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2011, 04:04:47 AM
Joe Dumars should have been fired awhile ago.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: etiolate on February 25, 2011, 06:43:53 AM
So players are gathering up in fashoinable markets and you're worried that articles about a MLB-like future is hidden racism?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 25, 2011, 12:17:18 PM
Quote from: Bill Simmons
EVERYONE WHO CLAIMS THE NBA IS BEING RUINED BECAUSE SUPERSTARS WANT TO CONTROL WHERE THEY PLAY: D-minus
What a lazy argument. Over the past six decades, the following players pushed their way from a worse situation to a (seemingly) better one either by trade or free agency: Wilt Chamberlain, Oscar Robertson, Shaquille O'Neal, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Moses Malone, Rick Barry, Charles Barkley, Scottie Pippen, Bill Walton, Kevin Garnett, Allen Iverson, Gary Payton, Ray Allen, Jason Kidd, Clyde Drexler ... should I keep going? Now this "phenomenon" is endangering the game???

As Kenny Smith said last night, "If [a small-market team] builds the right pieces around the right guy, he will stay." Period. Duncan stayed in San Antonio because it built the right team around him. Stockton and Malone stayed in Utah because they had each other. Durant will stay in Oklahoma City because of Westbrook and everyone else. LeBron left Cleveland mainly because it made bad trades and signed the wrong guys. And Utah never would have thought it might lose Deron Williams if it hadn't screwed up the roster around him. Besides, why is it such a bad thing to have six or seven loaded teams and six or seven terrible ones? Oh crap, I hate seeing the Finals with all these elite players! Give me a break.

And that's why I like Bill Simmons.
Title: "White guilt shithole," amirite?
Post by: Mandark on February 25, 2011, 12:55:17 PM
Quote from: etiolate on February 25, 2011, 06:43:53 AM
So players are gathering up in fashoinable markets and you're worried that articles about a MLB-like future is hidden racism?

Reilly doesn't mention MLB anywhere in there.  I don't think Reilly's ever had a column like this about baseball.  He did a "10 things I'd do if I were commish" article for ESPN magazine and didn't mention a single thing about player distribution and movement.  So apparently he's not bugged by that situation.

Yet he writes a remarkably bitter column about Carmelo, criticizing players basically for 1) being young, 2) being rich, 3) socializing with each other, 4) deciding where they want to work.  I'm not gonna say the dude Is A Racist, but he's gone way beyond a rational basis for his complaints and he definitely has an ax to grind.  I think the consensus here is that Reilly is echoing Whitlock, but feels has to be more careful with his language cause he's white.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 25, 2011, 01:01:33 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 25, 2011, 02:39:09 AM
Should make for a very interesting series if they run into the Heat - it could well turn into a replay of Boston vs the Cavs last year.

While they would never admit it publicly that's got to be weighing in the back of the minds of Wade and Lebron. Despite all that talent the offense still just becomes 1 on 5 in crunch time. The drive at the end of the game where Rose dishes to Deng for the 3 to win the game is exactly the kind of play Miami struggles to create when it matters. And that Lebron 3 attempt is exactly the play they tend to end up settling for when it matters.  Now Miami can internally make all kinds of excuses. That it was a road game they barely lost. That Miller wasn't playing. That Bosh had a historically bad game, etc, etc. But the problem is no matter what they keep losing to Boston and Chicago because those teams actually play like a team.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Mandark on February 25, 2011, 01:07:41 PM
Yep, people will debate about whether the Yanks/Sox duopoly is good for the game, but they generally won't frame the issue as the fault of selfish, "conniving" players.

The funniest part of that Reilly article is when he complains about Chauncey Billups being included in the trade against his will.  He apparently wants a system in which players get to control where they play, but where players don't control where they play.

Presumably your freedom of movement would be determined by whether Mr. Rick Reilly believes you are mature enough and approves of your decision-making process.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2011, 01:40:01 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on February 25, 2011, 12:59:07 PM
Agreed.  You simply don't get these kinds of articles talking about the MLB.  I don't remember this kind of hand wringing when Cliff Lee left the Rangers to create one of the most overloaded superteams of all time.

Real Talk
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: etiolate on February 25, 2011, 04:59:22 PM
People blame owners more in the MLB, well back when people actually cared about the league or thought it wasn't dying for sure, but I always included the players in the problem. They are hurting the game by chasing money and pennant teams. It kills the sense of competition and makes the league feel less legit. So for me, getting mad at the players is nothing new. I see an angry sentiment from people towards the players doing this in the NBA as just being the slow realization that started with baseball. That, oh wait, yes the players are involved in this thing that is kind of killing the draw of sports.

Also, in between the competitive collapse of baseball and the threat of it in the NBA, we've had the NFL go to a design that went towards teams protecting top players and being able to each build a team without fear of their pieces bailing on the team. This has helped the NFL become the #1 sport for America. Everybody cares about their team and season, and is invested through the season and into the playoffs.

As for Simmons:

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Besides, why is it such a bad thing to have six or seven loaded teams and six or seven terrible ones? Oh crap, I hate seeing the Finals with all these elite players! Give me a break.

Because nobody cares about the outcome if they don't belong to the loaded team fanbase. Because the outcome seems pre-ordained and continually watching seems pointless. I might as well be watching a game that I've already read the final boxscore for, since I am only there to see a few highlights. Being a Kings fan, I've watched some superstar-less games with some bad teams playing the Kings. These games can end up entertaining because the outcome is really unknown. The final quarter isn't predictable and that is nice, being as the NBA has a ongoing legitimacy issue with the refs. Throwing haves and havenots on top of that would kill the league for me and others.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 25, 2011, 05:08:13 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 25, 2011, 12:17:18 PM
Quote from: Bill Simmons
Besides, why is it such a bad thing to have six or seven loaded teams and six or seven terrible ones? Oh crap, I hate seeing the Finals with all these elite players! Give me a break.

When I read this line, I can't not hear it in Colin Cowherd's voice.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 25, 2011, 05:22:19 PM
While I don't think Whitlock and Reilly are racist, they are carelessly propagating resentful sentiments that are deeply based on institutionalized racism.  This is not the first time that the NBA has been held to a higher standard.  For years, NBA players were portrayed as thugs simply for having tattoos and brash attitudes while NFL players escaped such stereotyping despite committing a much higher frequency of criminal acts.   It's very unlikely to be a mere coincidence that the league which has the highest percentage of black athletes, also generates the most vitriolic responses for stuff that are just as bad or worse in other leagues.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 25, 2011, 05:39:57 PM
Quote from: etiolate on February 25, 2011, 04:59:22 PM
This has helped the NFL become the #1 sport for America.


The rest of the post is just opinion stuff which I disagree with but everybody is entitled to their opinion. There is no right or wrong about how somebody feels about player movement.

But it's not like the NFL just became the #1 sport in America. It's been the #1 sport in America for a very long time by a very large degree. And that's before parity became very common in the NFL. The Superbowl is a cultural touchstone. It draws big ratings no matter what. Just wanted to clarify since people tend to throw out that argument as if all the sports were equal a few years back and suddenly football got really popular all of a sudden. Basketball has always been up and down in popularity in this country. That has had very little to do with player free agent movement and much more to do with superstars garnering big interest. When somebody actually puts up some data that supports the argument that player movement has a very strong effect on the ratings or popularity of a sport I will agree with it. But the popularity of football in America as just a casual observation that football is really popular isn't that piece of data by itself.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: etiolate on February 25, 2011, 05:41:56 PM
There certainly is a line of racism towards the hip-hop face of the NBA that comes squealing out of the press. They had a love hate/relationship with Iverson due to his image. His one finals years he was "reformed MVP AI" and they gave him love for winning, but as soon as the success left it went back to thug AI. Jason Williams got a lot of hate his first two years in the league by people who felt he was betraying his skin color by the way he played.

With this issue, my mind doesn't go straight towards racism because it is a legit issue on its own.

Stoney: you're right, it didn't just become #1, but I should say that the parity is why its distancing itself from the rest of the sports in terms of popularity and good-feelings
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 25, 2011, 05:54:27 PM
Quote from: etiolate on February 25, 2011, 05:41:56 PM
Stoney: you're right, it didn't just become #1, but I should say that the parity is why its distancing itself from the rest of the sports in terms of popularity and good-feelings

That's certainly an argument or discussion to have but personally I'm skeptical about that view and we'd have to agree on how to even measure such things. I would argue the two most popular points of the modern era NBA had less to do with parity and more to do with transcendent superstars or rivalries between superstars.

Ala Larry Bird. A player who was able to draw a lot of white fans back to the sport based on his skin color and how good he was. Couple that with a rivalry of the ages with Magic Johnson and you had big ratings.

Or Michael Jordan and the bulls. A player and team so dominate they crushed all opposition.

I don't believe there is enough data to say that extreme parity makes basketball more popular in America. And like I said how do we measure this? TV ratings? League Revenue? Popularity polls? Team value?

There is a good degree of parity in the NHL but I don't see a lot of people talking about how Hockey is sweeping the country in popularity at the moment.

I think parity driving popularity in the NFL is one of those things that people just say because it sounds "common-sensical" but I'm not sure I'm convinced that is the correct answer. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: etiolate on February 25, 2011, 06:06:48 PM
I run into fans of a lot of different NFL teams and they are excited for each season. I run into basketball fans who have stopped watching the NBA because their team lost so and so, or just fell off in relativity. If someone doesn't care about the NFL then it has to do with no actual interest in the sport. I run into basketball fans who have dropped the NBA because of legitimacy issues, and keep to NCAA. (which may have its own such issue) I stopped following baseball because the A's are a farm team.

I am not sure this is something you can measure, but not everything must be measured to be real. The NBA has had real popularity concerns post-Jordan, but thats because they tied everything to a super entity mascot and then the mascot left and people didn't know where to place their interest. Now they keep trying to sell new mascots but people may have wised up to that ploy. They don't believe in super-people-athletes anymore. So the struggling does exist. You may not want to accept an answer without data, but what you observe matters and I certainly observe these things often enough to give them credit.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 25, 2011, 06:10:01 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 25, 2011, 05:54:27 PM
Quote from: etiolate on February 25, 2011, 05:41:56 PM
Stoney: you're right, it didn't just become #1, but I should say that the parity is why its distancing itself from the rest of the sports in terms of popularity and good-feelings

That's certainly an argument or discussion to have but personally I'm skeptical about that view and we'd have to agree on how to even measure such things. I would argue the two most popular points of the modern era NBA had less to do with parity and more to do with transcendent superstars or rivalries between superstars.

Ala Larry Bird. A player who was able to draw a lot of white fans back to the sport based on his skin color and how good he was. Couple that with a rivalry of the ages with Magic Johnson and you had big ratings.

Or Michael Jordan and the bulls. A player and team so dominate they crushed all opposition.

I don't believe there is enough data to say that extreme parity makes basketball more popular in America. And like I said how do we measure this? TV ratings? League Revenue? Popularity polls? Team value?

There is a good degree of parity in the NHL but I don't see a lot of people talking about how Hockey is sweeping the country in popularity at the moment.

I think parity driving popularity in the NFL is one of those things that people just say because it sounds "common-sensical" but I'm not sure I'm convinced that is the correct answer. 

Good point.  Basketball (pro and amateur) doesn't have the highest ratings but it's highly probable that basketball is the most commonly played sport in America.  
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 25, 2011, 06:21:51 PM
Quote from: etiolate on February 25, 2011, 06:06:48 PM
I run into fans of a lot of different NFL teams and they are excited for each season. I run into basketball fans who have stopped watching the NBA because their team lost so and so, or just fell off in relativity. If someone doesn't care about the NFL then it has to do with no actual interest in the sport. I run into basketball fans who have dropped the NBA because of legitimacy issues, and keep to NCAA. (which may have its own such issue) I stopped following baseball because the A's are a farm team.

I am not sure this is something you can measure, but not everything must be measured to be real. The NBA has had real popularity concerns post-Jordan, but thats because they tied everything to a super entity mascot and then the mascot left and people didn't know where to place their interest. Now they keep trying to sell new mascots but people may have wised up to that ploy. They don't believe in super-people-athletes anymore. So the struggling does exist. You may not want to accept an answer without data, but what you observe matters and I certainly observe these things often enough to give them credit.


Like I said, I'm not sure I'm on either side of the debate at the moment. I think it is possible that parity may play some part in the popularity of the NFL even though its a very recent thing in the NFL which has been popular for a long time which is why I'm skeptical. I think they are lots of reasons why sports rise and fall in popularity in this country. I'm just saying based on anecdotal quick glances I need some data before I'm comfortable saying such things and immediately going to the sky is falling card. It's disappoints me that professionally paid writers who have the time and data to inform such a debate don't actually try very hard to do so. That's my problem with the Reily and Whitlock articles. Not that it can't be potentially correct. It's more that its strikes me as very lazy writing because they don't even do a good job of backing up their arguments other than I'm so mad at Lebron and the decision type arguing. I think we've had a better debate in this thread on the issue than paid professionals have.


Not to keep sucking on Simmons cock since I know he isn't very liked in this thread but I thought his writing on losing Perkins was very good today. It's sort of a balanced take on what a fan feels and also realizing how the real world operates and doing his job properly. It's doesn't strike me as naive or ranting like those other two pieces.

ending rant now.



Quote from: Bill Simmons
Strategically, the trade made sense: The Celtics decided that the hole created by Perkins' departure (rebounding and interior defense) wasn't as important as the hole they needed to fill (perimeter scoring, perimeter defense, flexibility). The dirty little secret of the 2010-11 Celtics? They really missed … (wait for it) … Tony Allen.

That's right, Trick-Or-Treat Tony!

They actually missed his defense and athleticism. Marquis Daniels did a decent job filling the void, but once he got hurt, Paul Pierce became Boston's only perimeter player on the entire roster who could defend Carmelo Anthony (Round 1?) and LeBron James (Round 2?). You really want to rely on a 32-year-old with nearly 1,000 games on his odometer for four straight playoff rounds as your only small forward? That left Danny Ainge with two choices: overpay for a rental (Shane Battier, Jamario Moon, Mickael Pietrus, etc.) or fundamentally change his team.

Here's what he saw with Perkins: a 26-year-old with some miles (and multiple surgeries on his shoulders and knees) in line to make $10 million a year (a price the Celtics didn't want to pay), only they couldn't play him at crunch time because, between Rajon Rondo's fear of getting fouled and Perkins' lack of offense, that meant the Celtics were playing three-on-five offensively down the stretch. You can't win that way. That's why Glen Davis grabbed Perkins' crunch-time minutes against good teams.

And here's what Ainge saw with Green: only 24 years old, a phenomenal teammate by all accounts, someone who played out of position battling bigger players and never complained (not once). I remember looking up his stats a few weeks ago, when I was working on my trade-value column, and wondering whether his confidence was waning: He had been a 39 percent shooter on 3-pointers in 2008-09, but he dwindled to 30 percent this season. Ainge probably hopes that Green (A) will be better playing his natural position, (B) can swing from big forward to small forward depending on the matchups, and (C) can spell Pierce and Ray Allen even better than James Posey did three years ago. Against Golden State on Tuesday, the Celtics played Von Wafer, Robinson and Delonte West at the same time. That would work against LeBron or Carmelo? Please. With Orlando fading into obscurity, only the Lakers loomed as a playoff team that made you say, "We definitely need Perkins in that series." Was that enough of a reason to keep him around? You tell me.

If the Celtics had a glaring flaw these past two years, it was a lack of flexibility: They could never go small, only big, and they were entirely predictable at crunch time with Garnett, Davis, Pierce, Allen and Rondo (and Perkins almost always stuck on the bench). Green allows them to play small ball against athletic teams, protects them from Pierce getting into foul trouble and gives them another solid defender against LeBron and Carmelo. Make no mistake -- this was a gaping, bullet-sized hole that needed to be filled. But was that hole bigger than the one created by trading Perkins? He played Dwight Howard well; that's gone. He played Andrew Bynum well; that's gone. He supplied a toughness that's rarely seen in the league anymore; it remains to be seen whether Garnett can carry that torch alone. Actually, that's my biggest fear if we weren't putting a ton of eggs in the Shaq Basket (scary thought), banking on Jermaine O'Neal to crawl out of his grave (not likely), hoping for decent minutes from Nenad Krstic (yikes), praying for a Troy Murphy buyout (too bad it's not 2008) and maybe even banking on a Rasheed Wallace comeback (just shoot me).

Still, I believe Boston's perimeter hole was more glaring than the one Perkins just left … on paper. Remember, the Celtics were 33-10 this season without Perkins before the trade -- it's not as though he was irreplaceable. He made the first 42 minutes of every game easier; he didn't matter for the last six. If this were "Sliding Doors" and we could play the rest of the Celtics' season two ways -- one with Green, one with Perkins -- I'd bet anything that Green would log more crunch-time minutes than Perkins does. I liked the trade on paper. I really did. This team is better positioned to make the Finals now. On paper. On paper.

On paper.

And there's the rub. We don't play basketball on paper. I cared about this particular Celtics team more than any Celtics squad since Reggie Lewis was alive -- and that includes the 2008 title team -- mainly because the players enjoyed one another so much. I wasn't surprised to hear that Perkins cried for most of the day Thursday, that Boston's veterans were infuriated by the trade, that Rondo (Perk's best friend) was practically catatonic heading into Thursday night's game in Denver. These guys loved one another. As recently as last season, you couldn't have said that. But Shaq loosened everyone up; so did four full years of the core guys being together; so did Doc's belated maturation into an impactful coach (believe me, I'm as shocked as anyone); so did the contract extensions (Boston's four All-Stars are signed through at least 2012); so did the bonding experience of blowing Game 7 and having that purple confetti fall on their heads; so did the enduring belief that nobody had ever beaten them when they were healthy.

I attended Tuesday's game in Oakland and saw exactly what I expected to see: a well-rested, veteran team that knew it hadn't won there in six years and took care of business accordingly. In the first half, David Lee didn't like the way Perkins fouled him on a drive, whirled around and bumped Garnett and Perkins (standing next to each other) on his way to the line. Double technicals. I remember thinking, "Uh-oh -- no way we're losing now." Something like that happened frequently with these Celtics. They had become the modern-day version of the Bad Boy Pistons -- not the fighting, just the barking, woofing, shoving and general villainy -- with Perk and Garnett as Bill Laimbeer and Rick Mahorn. That was the team's identity, for better and worse. They knew who they were. I left Oakland thinking that we were headed for the Finals. We had "The Look," as Mike Lombardi calls it.

Less than 48 hours later, I found myself staring at an "FYI: Perk for Jeff Green" e-mail for two solid minutes. What???????? I remember drafting Perk out of high school. I remember his being fat and awkward. I remember liking his mean streak that surfaced at the strangest times. I remember those flashes of potential as Perk banged the boards with Al Jefferson. I remember thinking we could count on him after the Garnett trade and not really knowing why. I remember watching that same ugly jump hook over and over again, hoping beyond hope that it might get better. I remember winning a title with him, and I remember losing a title without him. I remember seeing him warm up before opening night, a good two hours before the game, almost as though he didn't want the team to forget that he was coming back. Like every other Celtics fan, I watched him go from nothing to something. I certainly never imagined watching Perk play for another team.

My father was more crushed than me. He's been a season-ticket holder since 1973 and still attends 25 Celtics games per season. As he explained Thursday night, "I was invested in Perkins. I sit 15 feet from their bench -- I watched him grow up. I don't think sports is always about winning and losing. We might be better, but right now, I don't care. I liked the team we had. It doesn't feel right that he's not on this team."

See, you can't truly love a team until you've suffered with it. The 2008 title team always felt like a fantasy team that had been thrown together in some sort of euphoric basketball dream that wasn't quite real. Losing Garnett in 2009 (and eventually, the Orlando series) definitely hurt; blowing the 2010 title was 100 times worse. The agony of those last two games pushed our relationship with the team to an entirely different level. I still remember seeing Perkins rolling around in pain during Game 6 -- it happened about 20 feet away from me -- then the veterans watching him get helped off, his right leg dangling in the air, the life sinking from their bodies like Apollo watching Rocky wave him back to the corner. With a healthy 2011 Garnett in that Game 7, maybe we could have survived. Banged-up 2010 Garnett couldn't get it done. The trophy was sitting there, and we couldn't take it. A crestfallen Perkins spent the summer blaming himself, busted his butt to come back … and the Celtics dumped him a month after he returned. Claiming they couldn't afford him only made it worse: The kid signed a discount extension four years ago and outperformed it. They owed him.

Selfishly, I wanted one more chance with them: Garnett, Pierce, Allen, Rondo, Perkins, Baby and Doc, the only seven guys who mattered here. But that's the thing about sports -- "them" always seems to change when you least expect it. We traded Charlie Scott when I was in the second grade. We traded Danny Ainge when I was in college. Now Perkins. Those were the three most brutal Celtics deals of my lifetime. Each one hurt the same. Doesn't matter how old you are, where you are in your life, where you're living … there's no feeling quite like your favorite team trading someone you genuinely liked.

You might remember LeBron and Carmelo getting excoriated for stabbing their respective teams in the back. You want to know why they didn't care? Because, deep down, they know that teams don't care about players, either. They probably witnessed 20 variations of the Perkins trade during their first few years in the league. Hey, it's a business. Hey, that's just sports. Hey, trades come with the territory. Isn't loyalty a two-way street? When a team does what's best for itself, we call it smart. When a player does the same, we call him selfish. We never think about what a double standard it is.

I thought Perk deserved better than getting blindsided in Denver, then having to limp around with a sprained knee and pack his stuff with tears rolling down his face. Maybe I'm a sap. But that was our guy. Family. On the phone, my dad decided -- completely seriously -- that he would rather have lost the 2011 title with Perkins than have tried to win it without him. Why?

"Because he was truly part of our team," Dad said. "I don't want to root for laundry. I watched that guy for eight years. That should mean something. Continuity should mean something."

Within a few weeks, both of us will have talked ourselves into the Jeff Green era. That's what fans do. We take the hits, shake them off, keep coming back. The Celtics will morph into something slightly different: a little more athletic, a little more flexible, a little younger and, hopefully, almost as tough. Perkins will fly to Oklahoma City, live out of a hotel room, make new friends and try to help Durant and Russell Westbrook make the Finals. Maybe the Celtics will see him there. It won't feel weird at all, because that's the way professional sports work. We are rooting for laundry. Whether we want to admit it or not.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 25, 2011, 09:12:50 PM
Like a Bosh part 2.


[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9oInCQNzvs][/youtube]


Highest rated comment.


"There are a lot of fake tough guys in this league and he's one of them"- Kevin Durant
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 25, 2011, 10:01:21 PM
Also from Simmons' column:

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When New Orleans (owned and operated by the other 29 owners) traded Marcus Thornton for Carl Landry and absorbed $2.24 million of additional payroll, Cuban rightfully flipped out, wondering, "There's no way, with their payroll, having to dump salary before they were sold to us [NBA owners]; now they can take on more salary while they're losing money. That's just wrong every which way."

Translation: "I thought we took this team over so we could threaten the players' union this summer that we were gonna contract it! What the hell? Now we're shelling out MORE money! One twenty-ninth of $2.24 million is more than $115,000 -- that's money I could use to obscenely overpay Tyson Chandler this summer! Come on!"

This is fucking EXPLOSIVE and I can't believe I didn't realize it until he put it that way. This is a MAJOR transgression by Stern, at least equal to what happened to the Sonics. He needs to be called on it. That pro sports writers are ignoring this while writing the bullshit they are about uppity distinguished black fellows is why sports journalism is basically an oxymoron. Here we have a situation where only the clown (Simmons) can speak the truth.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 25, 2011, 10:22:25 PM
Two superstars = loss to Cavs
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 25, 2011, 10:33:06 PM
Etoliate - no offense but you are gonna run into a lot of fans who feel losing teams are not fun to watch in Sacramento.

As I scan the League Pass offerings every day, it is true that I see a lot of match-ups like Kings-Wizards or Bucks-Pistons and just keep on scrolling because once I've seen those teams a couple of times each to confirm my suspicions, I effectively have no interest in seeing them again. What I am looking for is games like Celtics - Heat or Lakers - Magic, I admit it. For the League as a whole to be compelling is just to be able to offer a few matchups like that on a regular basis. And by that metric, this season is fucking KILLING IT. Let me repeat: KILLING IT. I can find 2 games I want to watch damn near every DAY, never mind on weekends. So I feel your pain, I sympathize for those in small markets who feel they have no chance of keeping talent, but really, it's not the system's fault. It's not the star's fault. It comes down to bad luck, bad management and bad ownership.

In your specific case, the Kings have been lucky as hell in the draft in recent years (Evans and Cousins consecutively? PLEASE. Give that to the Celtics and then we'd be talking about 'dominant teams'), so you can't complain about bad luck. The ownership is blatantly looking to relocate and is cutting payroll accordingly. So no stars are ever going to pick that as a trade destination - they don't even know where they'd be living in.

There is nothing intrinsically worse about the Kings' situation than say, that of the Spurs or the Jazz or the Thunder. It just hasn't been handled right. The Maloofs went all in in the Webber era but it didn't work out, and when they hit a bad patch financially, they stopped injecting money. Very simple path to the Kings being a shitty team for years from there. Stop spending and bad things inevitably follow (with the exception of deliberate bottoming-out efforts, but management has to be very careful to signal that to everyone involved so people know they will pick it up again when they get a chance to reload).
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Beezy on February 25, 2011, 10:55:39 PM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on February 25, 2011, 10:22:25 PM
Two superstars = loss to Cavs
Lakers also lost to them last week.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 25, 2011, 11:02:51 PM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on February 25, 2011, 10:22:25 PM
Two superstars = loss to Cavs
Lots of offense no defense. That has been and will be the knicks mantra for awhile.

It will take them the off-season to try to find somebody to help on defense. Also as good an offensive coach as D'Antoni is, he just doesn't take defense seriously which is why his teams are always this way. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on February 27, 2011, 10:23:23 AM
I look forward to the Heat beating the Knicks today. :D
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Beezy on February 27, 2011, 05:02:10 PM
Quote from: ferrarimanf355 on February 27, 2011, 10:23:23 AM
I look forward to the Heat beating the Knicks today. :D
I wanted to see the old Knicks team play them one more time. The last game between them was close. Tonight is gonna be a disaster though.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 27, 2011, 06:08:04 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on February 27, 2011, 04:43:41 PM
Perhaps some of you guys who pay a little more attention to this stuff can enlighten me.  Is there a particular reason several people I have talked to lately have completely dismissed the Spurs chances.  Like even the chance that the spurs could reach the finals.  Is there an analyst behind this?  They can't give me any particular reason, but when I mention the Spurs they are totally down on them.

There are many irrational reasons, such as no-one having picked them before the season started, and their collective age (although it is only really Duncan and Manu who are 'old'). The one convincing reason is that they aren't all that good defensively yet, so you could be forgiven for thinking that they are winning so much in the regular season because of offense, mostly. As counter-intuitive as it is for a Popovich-coached Spurs team to have a bad rap defensively, there it is. They're a run-and-gun team now! It is quite bizarre, and very fun to watch.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Mandark on February 27, 2011, 06:54:35 PM
The Spurs margin of victory is apparently not as impressive as their record, so a lot of stat geeks might be pushing back too hard based on that.  Otherwise, I think it's the case of a team that hasn't done too well the last couple years, and whose improvements are too subtle (new offensive system, improved bench and role players) for people to think of them as being significantly improved.

If they had added a big name rather than Neal and Blair, a lot of folks would probably take their record more seriously.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: etiolate on February 27, 2011, 06:59:14 PM
People were higher up on the Spurs last year because of the guys they got over the summer. This year those players are actually working out and everyone forgot about their hype last year.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 27, 2011, 07:26:36 PM
wow, Tim Duncan just blocked Zach Randolph 3 times on the same play :lol

:bow old guys gettin' it done :bow2
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 27, 2011, 07:28:26 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 27, 2011, 06:54:35 PM
The Spurs margin of victory is apparently not as impressive as their record, so a lot of stat geeks might be pushing back too hard based on that.  Otherwise, I think it's the case of a team that hasn't done too well the last couple years, and whose improvements are too subtle (new offensive system, improved bench and role players) for people to think of them as being significantly improved.

If they had added a big name rather than Neal and Blair, a lot of folks would probably take their record more seriously.

I think they did - Richard Jefferson. I realize this is year 2, but new players always suck the first year they go to the Spurs. This is the first year he knows what he's doing. Now he's taking different shots because that's what this offense gives him. He had to practice those in the offseason.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Mandark on February 27, 2011, 08:15:03 PM
Bingo, Cormac.  If they had made a big jump last season, there would be a lot of "Richard Jefferson has revitalized the Spurs!" cause a new player makes for an easy storyline (see: Mo Williams, 2008).  "Richard Jefferson is making better decisions, while role players are contributing somewhat more!" isn't as exciting a story, I guess.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 27, 2011, 10:41:34 PM
Knicks beat the Heat. In Miami.


That's exactly the reason I would argue you make that trade. And they were down by like 15 early in the game.

Also I think its finally dawned on me. The heat are not going to win a title this year. That team just does not play right. Maybe something will change between now and the finals but that team is playing fundamentally wrong for an elite squad. Real Talk. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: pilonv1 on February 27, 2011, 10:52:29 PM
Heat are pure trash. Cannot wait to get exposed during the playoffs.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Beezy on February 27, 2011, 11:51:19 PM
:bow Mr. Big Shot :bow2

:piss Heat :piss2
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 28, 2011, 12:30:37 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 27, 2011, 10:41:34 PM
Knicks beat the Heat. In Miami.


That's exactly the reason I would argue you make that trade. And they were down by like 15 early in the game.

Also I think its finally dawned on me. The heat are not going to win a title this year. That team just does not play right. Maybe something will change between now and the finals but that team is playing fundamentally wrong for an elite squad. Real Talk. 

Main reason is that Mike Miller has been injured often and plays like a token white guy when he is available.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 28, 2011, 12:54:35 AM
I'm just of the opinion that Spoelstra ain't gonna cut it. And that's nothing against the man. But there is a big problem because they often aren't running anything that looks like offensive sets to me beside iso, especially at the end of the game.

I think you need someone in there who can forcefully demand the respect of Lebron and Wade and say we are going to do things the proper way. He can't do that.  There is no excuse for that offense to look as bad as it does at the end of games.   

Somebody has to be freaking open to get good shots. Even if its role players. There is no way with Lebron James and Dwayne Wade on the court you should have to settle for 1 on 5 heroics nearly every time.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 28, 2011, 01:08:45 AM
Did anyone honestly think the Heat would win this year? Maybe next year or year after
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 28, 2011, 01:14:26 AM
While they weren't my betting favorite they weren't any less plausible than a lot of the usual suspects. Does anybody at this stage think the Lakers look like World Champs even though most people still think they will turn it on come the playoffs.

Or outside of the Celtics no team really leaps to the eye as championship quality at the moment in the East so the Heat in reality are as credible as any of those teams technically. The thing is if the Heat actually had a real offense in place, I think they would be as credible an option as the Celtics. But past the half point of the season, they still look like the same team that gets by on what they go by on earlier. I haven't seen the evolution of the offense I expected as the season went on. Lebron and Wade have gotten better. But the offense as a general unit has stagnated. And I didn't expect that even with scrubs. I thought Lebron and Wade would open up the offense for the other role players. Much like the rest of the Cavs suddenly looked much better playing with Lebron. That's not really happening with Miami. Which is a big problem.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 28, 2011, 04:30:56 AM
I agree. They can be spectacular against teams they overpower from a talent perspective at 3 out of 5 positions. Against teams that play like a team with good talent spread over 5 positions, they suck, even though they are strong defensively. The Celtics have been licking their chops at the thought of exposing them in the playoffs all year, except whoops they did it already :teehee

btw, just found an awesome feature in Google Calendar - you can add the schedules of your favorite teams! And get text alerts to your phone! 'Other Calendars' -> 'Browse Interesting Calendars'
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Beezy on February 28, 2011, 08:51:18 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 28, 2011, 04:30:56 AM
They can be spectacular against teams they overpower from a talent perspective at 3 out of 5 positions. Against teams that play like a team with good talent spread over 5 positions, they suck, even though they are strong defensively.
Then why did they lose last night?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 28, 2011, 11:12:08 AM
Quote from: Beezy on February 28, 2011, 08:51:18 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 28, 2011, 04:30:56 AM
They can be spectacular against teams they overpower from a talent perspective at 3 out of 5 positions. Against teams that play like a team with good talent spread over 5 positions, they suck, even though they are strong defensively.
Then why did they lose last night?

:smug

Awesome game was awesome.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: T-Short on February 28, 2011, 02:38:32 PM
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AUBURN HILLS, Mich. (AP) -- Detroit's Richard Hamilton says he met with coach John Kuester recently in an effort to repair their relationship.
Hamilton has played only once since Jan. 10. He was benched for the latter part of January, and although he played Feb. 5 in Milwaukee, scoring 15 points, he's been out since then because of what the team has said is a groin injury.
On Friday, Hamilton was one of several players who missed at least part of a shootaround before a game at Philadelphia. The coaching staff used only six players that night, sticking with those who were at the full shootaround.
Hamilton wouldn't specify when he and Kuester spoke. He took passes from the coach while shooting at the end of practice Monday.

 :violin
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 28, 2011, 03:01:15 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on February 28, 2011, 02:50:33 PM
I'm guessing every pundit that pooh-poohed the big trades in the past week changed their tune after the game last night.

I swear to God, a friend of mine was saying how the Knicks were going to "blow it" a weekend ago with regards to the Carmelo trade. He said how everyone they were offering to trade sucked anyway and they shouldn't hold it up for someone like Gallo. Then this weekend, after the Cavs loss, he said how the trade was a bad move. I tried to remind him of what he said the weekend before, but he wouldn't listen. I'm anxious to hear what he says this weekend.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: etiolate on February 28, 2011, 05:55:19 PM
Yeah

chances are the maloofs are delaying the news to get attendance through the year

or they're so broke that they are waiting for anaheim to give them a total bailout deal
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 28, 2011, 06:32:12 PM
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Mike Bibby and the Washington Wizards have agreed to terms on a buyout.


In a stunning move, Bibby, whom the Wizards acquired from Atlanta last week in a trade for Kirk Hinrich, gave up his entire salary for next season. The 32-year-old point guard had one year and $6.2 million left on his deal.


"He sacrificed some money in order to win a championship," said David Falk, Bibby's agent. "Once you're past 10, 11 years in the league, you want to be in a situation where you can win. He's got some attractive options open to him."

Bibby is eager to sign with a title-contending team after clearing waivers, and sources say the Los Angeles Lakers, Boston Celtics, Miami Heat and Portland Trail Blazers are interested in him.


Bibby will clear waivers on Wednesday. While Falk said Bibby has not made a decision yet about which team he will join, one source close to the situation said he's headed to Miami.

The source also said Miami is the front-runner for Troy Murphy. The Heat will have to cut as many players as they sign, and the source said Carlos Arroyo and Jamaal Magloire are the likeliest candidates.

However, Falk, who doesn't represent Murphy, maintained that nothing has been agreed to.

"I've been in touch with six or seven of the top teams," he said. "Nothing can be done until he clears waivers."

For Washington, the deal is a sweetheart one that will knock next season's payroll down to roughly $38 million, which is $20 million below the current salary cap.





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Sources: Warriors buy out Troy Murphy
By Brian Windhorst
ESPN.com
 
 
Murphy, who was traded last week to the Golden State Warriors after spending nearly two months in exile with the New Jersey Nets, completed a buyout agreement Sunday, source told ESPN.com.

Sources said that the Portland Trail Blazers also expressed interest in Murphy but he is deciding between the two East powers.

In a flurry of deals right at last Thursday's deadline, the Celtics traded three big men and also opened up three roster spots. Part of the strategy, league executives said, was to make room for one or two free agents to be added after buyout season. Murphy is a top choice to fill one of those roles.

The Heat have struggled this season with rebounding and scoring from their bench and Murphy would fill a need there. Miami currently has 15 players on its roster and would have to release a player to make room for Murphy.

Murphy has not played since Jan. 7 and averaged just 3.6 points and 4.2 rebounds in 18 games for the Nets. But he has a history of being a solid outside shooter and rebounder. He averaged 14.6 points and 10.2 rebounds in more steady minutes last season with the Indiana Pacers.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 28, 2011, 06:45:07 PM
I for one welcome our new shambling-corpse-PG and token-Mick to the Boston Celtics!
 :pimp
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on February 28, 2011, 11:02:49 PM
Quote from: pilonv1 on February 27, 2011, 10:52:29 PM
Heat are pure trash. Cannot wait to get exposed during the playoffs.
Haters gonna hate.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 28, 2011, 11:08:47 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcwuHIFKkRM&feature=feedu[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 03, 2011, 08:38:04 PM
Watching Miami - Orlando. Going to be fun to see how much Bibby sabotages the defense.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 03, 2011, 08:48:40 PM
If the Heat lose tonight, they might as well give up, rest Wade and get a better draft pick.   
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 03, 2011, 09:48:37 PM
:bow Corey Brewer, last great hope for a Mavs championship before Dirk is a million years old :bow2
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Beezy on March 03, 2011, 10:55:02 PM
Heats :rofl
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Bocsius on March 03, 2011, 10:56:12 PM
Que pasa, Heat?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Mandark on March 03, 2011, 11:40:59 PM
Heaters gonna Heat.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 04, 2011, 12:33:10 AM
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Down by 24 points in the third quarter, the Magic went on an unbelievable 40-9 run over the next 15 minutes and stunned the Heat 99-96, the second-largest comeback in Orlando franchise history and matching the second-biggest in the NBA this season.

:rofl
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 04, 2011, 03:17:26 AM
that was pretty bad alright :lol Quentin Richardson did a fucking great job on LeBron in the 2nd half :bow
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 04, 2011, 03:48:20 AM
Hollinger on Heat and Magic's chances of making the Finals, a worthwhile read for those (Stoney) who weight games against contenders heavily:

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Ask pundits where the NBA championship will end up this year, and you'll hear a variety of answers. Ask the same gang where the title will NOT end up, however, and you'll get a pretty consistent answer: Florida.

This stands in stark contrast to our playoff odds, which see a 1-in-4 chance of the Larry O'Brien trophy landing in the Sunshine State this season. Yet despite their accomplishments -- Miami is 43-17 and has the league's best scoring margin, while Orlando is 39-22 with nearly as dominant a margin -- the two Florida teams have had an unusual amount of difficulty getting people to believe they're for real.

Thus, today's big question: Are they for real?

Ironically, the same things hurt both teams in their pursuit of ForRealness. For starters, there's history. Miami's lack of it with this group means the huddled masses can't point to their experience, nor to past results with the same core. Orlando's recent history, meanwhile, includes a not-as-close-as-it-looked six-game defeat to Boston in last season's conference finals, when the Magic arguably had a stronger team than this one.

Second, there's the convenient shorthand of the Big Game. Both Miami and Orlando have played poorly in the spotlight, national TV games that everybody watches. The Heat, as we've heard almost constantly throughout the season, are just 3-8 against the league's seven other top teams, and two of those wins came against the equally lightly regarded Magic. The flow of those games, particularly the three against Boston, also hurt Miami -- in each Miami trailed badly before a near-comeback at the end; the fact Boston led each game wire-to-wire resonates with a lot of people.

Orlando's track record against the elite is better than Miami's at 5-7, but its timing has been terrible. The Magic's best performance -- a 107-78 win over the Bulls in Chicago, with the Bulls playing both Joakim Noah and Carlos Boozer -- was immediately obliterated in the news cycle by LeBron's return to Cleveland the next night. In the marquee Thursday games, they've lost to Portland, Oklahoma City and Miami; in contrast, their two biggest wins on national TV came on Dec. 23 and Dec. 25, when folks were distracted by the holidays.

I'll give you two other reasons the Heat and Magic are frowned upon as contenders. The first is confirmation bias. When Orlando loses at home to Sacramento, it's a sign they can't be taken seriously as a contender. When the Lakers are blown out at home by the Bucks? Not the same reaction.

Similarly, many take the Heat's 3-8 record against elite teams as further proof that they lack championship mettle -- an easy case to argue since Wade is the only one of the group with a ring. The Lakers' 2-7 mark against the same teams, meanwhile, has received comparatively little scrutiny. (At least, for the Lakers. Everything that happens with the Lakers gets at least some scrutiny.)

Record Against Top Seven Teams

Team Wins Losses
Chicago 8 4
Boston 8 4
San Antonio 6 4
Dallas 7 5
Orlando 5 7
Miami 3 8
Los Angeles 2 7

Additionally, there are big weaknesses one can point to, much more easily than those of Boston or San Antonio. The Heat have no center and until yesterday had no point guard; defensively, they're extremely vulnerable at both positions. Orlando, meanwhile, basically has one good defensive player and no perimeter weapons who can reliably create shots against quality defenses -- the bugaboo that bit them in the playoff loss to Boston a year ago.

But here's the thing: None of that matters. Not one iota. Look for indicators of playoff success, and the items that stand out are regular-season scoring margin, star talent and quality of play heading into the postseason. (I know that last one didn't hold up a year ago, but historically it's rock-solid.)

Performance in spotlight TV Games? A total non-factor.

Won-loss record against elite teams? Meaningless, believe it or not.

Record in close games? Ditto.

Here are the factors that actually matter for the postseason:

1. Miami and Orlando have the three best players in the league. Despite their weaknesses, both teams offset the flaws with strengths no other side can match. Miami's combination of LeBron James and Dwyane Wade is unmatchable. They're the two best perimeter players in the game, and the fact an opponent must account for both stretches most defenses to the limit. Witness the Celtics' acquisition of Jeff Green just to add another perimeter defender, a move that seemed to be made with guarding James and Wade top of mind.

Orlando, meanwhile, has Howard, a wild card because of his ability to overwhelm defenses that lack a huge, physical center. With Howard having refined his post game this season and making a real run at James for the league's PER crown, he's providing a much more broad-based offensive threat to build the Magic attack around. Combine that with noted Howard stopper Kendrick Perkins' departure to the Western Conference, and Orlando has to like its odds in the playoffs.

The reason this matters in the playoffs is a simple one: You can play your stars more minutes in the postseason, given the high stakes and increased time off between games, and thus use the weaker bench players less. If Howard can play 46 minutes a game it doesn't matter if the Magic don't have a backup center, and if James and Wade are on the floor for 45 apiece the Heat's bench shortcomings are similarly masked.

They've won in the playoffs before. James, Wade and Howard account for three of the past five Eastern Conference championships. We're really saying they can't be factors? While Boston has the trump card of knocking off all three in succession in last season's playoffs, the Celtics couldn't get past Orlando the year before and barely beat a much weaker LeBron-led Cleveland team in the second round in their 2008 title run.

Orlando, in particular, has seen its playoff success dismissed far too often. Only one team has won more series over the past two years -- the Lakers, obviously. Orlando has won five playoff rounds in the past two seasons, which is one more than Boston, not to mention four more than San Antonio or Dallas, and five more than Chicago or Miami.

Scoring margin. The best predictor of future success is scoring margin. Miami's plus-7.6 mark is tops in the league, and Orlando's plus-6.0 is within a point of all the other contenders getting much more ink. Both those marks look even better if you consider recent play, which as I mentioned above is another major factor in playoff success. The Heat are 34-9 since a wobbly first month and haven't lost by more than six points in a game James played in since Nov. 27. The Magic, meanwhile, have 10 double-digit wins in their last 19 outings. Take that in for a second -- they'd be 10-9 in their last 19 even if they spotted the other team 10 points.

In summary, none of this means the Magic or Heat are necessarily destined to win the title. Some of the weaknesses enumerated above may eventually come back to bite them -- in particular, I don't like how Miami's offense matches up against Boston's defensive style, and any team that can put fouls on Howard has a great shot of beating Orlando.

Nonetheless, I think their odds are at least as good as anyone else's, including Boston and L.A. We'll get another national TV test tonight when the Florida teams play each other, and we can be sure that the loser will find itself immediately dismissed nationally. It could be a recurring theme in the Heat's case -- Miami plays 10 straight games against winning teams before a final lap through the league's doormats in April.

Somehow, however, the idea that both teams are fatally flawed has gained tremendous traction. Between the inability of the teams' history to provide a counterargument, the lure of overreacting to national TV games, and the failure to understand that records in close games and records against good teams are both meaningless predictors of playoff success, the two Florida teams are held in far less regard than they should be. Come May, that position may need reconsidering.
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Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: pilonv1 on March 04, 2011, 04:06:34 AM
Quote from: ferrarimanf355 on February 28, 2011, 11:02:49 PM
Quote from: pilonv1 on February 27, 2011, 10:52:29 PM
Heat are pure trash. Cannot wait to get exposed during the playoffs.
Haters gonna hate.

U MAD?

Hollinger is pure trash too.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Bocsius on March 04, 2011, 11:56:40 PM
  :o

Well, tonight's collapse for the Heat didn't wait until the second half. They were outscored 36-12 in the first quarter by San Anton'.

Made a slight comeback in the 2nd, gave it back in the 3rd, and now they trail by about 30 late in the fourth.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Bocsius on March 04, 2011, 11:57:45 PM
8 Spurs in double figures.

8, Bob.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Bocsius on March 05, 2011, 12:09:27 AM
Continuing my filibuster, Amare went for 41 tonight, Carmelo 29, the Knicks went for 115, but the Cavaliers went for 4 more.

Cleveland doesn't have LeBron, but the Knicks didn't get him, either. Cavs 3, Knicks 0 in season series.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: pilonv1 on March 05, 2011, 12:10:54 AM
Quote from: pilonv1 on March 04, 2011, 04:06:34 AM
Quote from: ferrarimanf355 on February 28, 2011, 11:02:49 PM
Quote from: pilonv1 on February 27, 2011, 10:52:29 PM
Heat are pure trash. Cannot wait to get exposed during the playoffs.
Haters gonna hate.

U MAD?

:smug
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: pilonv1 on March 05, 2011, 12:11:21 AM
Knicks choked again tonight too. Melo theory in full effect.

If the Warriors had won it would have been a perfect night.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 05, 2011, 05:50:15 PM
Back in town after being gone for most of last week. I did get to watch a number of heat games. Good lord they looked like shit. Real Talk.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 05, 2011, 07:45:20 PM
As a Celtics fan, I really couldn't be happier about the Bibby acquisition :D Bibby is closing in on 'worst defender of all-time' territory at this point in his career, and he's gonna be facing Rose and / or Rondo in the playoffs. Good luck with that.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Mandark on March 05, 2011, 09:46:47 PM
I wish people would stop this Rose-for-MVP nonsense.  Forget LeBron, how could you justify putting him above Dwight Howard this season?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Bacchus7 on March 05, 2011, 09:54:37 PM
Because you can.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: etiolate on March 05, 2011, 10:17:59 PM
The Bulls look like an improved and legit contender, and they were heading that way before Boozer. I might credit the coach more than Rose, but I think Rose might shine the brightest in the playoffs this year.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: pilonv1 on March 06, 2011, 03:11:31 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 05, 2011, 07:45:20 PM
As a Celtics fan, I really couldn't be happier about the Bibby acquisition :D Bibby is closing in on 'worst defender of all-time' territory at this point in his career, and he's gonna be facing Rose and / or Rondo in the playoffs. Good luck with that.

Shame the C's signed Arroyo :-\

Rose got shutdown by the Warriors guards, can't give someone and MVP after that.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 06, 2011, 07:46:24 AM
Quote from: etiolate on March 05, 2011, 10:17:59 PM
The Bulls look like an improved and legit contender, and they were heading that way before Boozer. I might credit the coach more than Rose, but I think Rose might shine the brightest in the playoffs this year.

A mystifying argument. How does that make him superior to players who have ALREADY had their teams in the Finals and kept them in serious contention for most of their careers? The fact that Rose gets to take more shots than LeBron and Howard makes his box scores jump out a bit more, but it doesn't make him MVP.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Himu on March 06, 2011, 08:16:27 AM
I'm considering getting back into the NBA. I used to watch the Rockets just about every day when I was a kid and teenager but stopped by the time I was out of high school because the rivalries and stuff started to get boring to me. Plus, the Rockets never got anywhere.

But the premise of the super teams really interests me. It seems to me that they will make the rivalries and stories more interesting and fun for me again.

The only problem is that mlb starts up soon and nba just starts to get REALLY good right when MLB gets warmed up.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2011, 02:28:08 PM
tl dr: i'm looking for a bandwagon to jump on

You, Beezy, Cajole, and Smooth Groove should get no love
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 06, 2011, 02:48:02 PM
For what its worth I'm always accused of being a bandwagoner.

I don't really have a favorite team anymore. I just like basketball and players. I grew up a Celtics fan just because my brother was a Celtics fan but that doesn't really extend to the current incarnation of the squad as I found what I really was responding to was liking or disliking certain players.

The town I grew up in had no basketball team (Tampa) so I never really had that hometown association like with the bucs in football

Orlando is close and I rooted for them back in the Shaq days but I'm less of a Dwight Howard fan as I don't really like his game (Although he seems like a really nice human being)

Of all the teams I'm kinda rooting for the heat and hating on the Lakers but there is no real logic to that decision. It's just based on my visceral reaction to those teams and certain players on those teams.

Title: And I'm an actual Wiz fan!
Post by: Mandark on March 06, 2011, 03:18:59 PM
Quote from: Green Man on March 06, 2011, 02:41:55 PM
Root for The Wizards. Once they're #1, you'll want to hold it over everyone how you were there first.

But will anyone at the retirement home believe him?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2011, 03:20:04 PM
I used to be a big Pistons fan as a kid until I "met" Joe Dumars and he ignored me. My dad claims I cried but I don't remember that  :maf

But mainly I've been a Shaq fan. I suppose that could make me a bandwagon jumper because my favorite team was whichever one Shaq was on. When I got older it became less so: didn't like Cleveland, and I can't stand Boston. So right now I don't have a favorite team.

if only shaq played for Chicago  :'(
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Bocsius on March 06, 2011, 03:34:53 PM
Heat lose at home to the Bulls. 4 straight, 5 out of 6, with the win being against Himuro's new favorite team.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 06, 2011, 03:36:57 PM
Quote from: Bocsius on March 06, 2011, 03:34:53 PM
Heat lose at home to the Bulls. 4 straight, 5 out of 6, with the win being against Himuro's new favorite team.

The Heat have some of the worst last minute shot preparation I've ever seen from a "good" team. God damn awful.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Himu on March 06, 2011, 03:50:46 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2011, 02:28:08 PM
tl dr: i'm looking for a bandwagon to jump on

You, Beezy, Cajole, and Smooth Groove should get no love

I'm not looking for a bandwagon at all. What the fuck? My heart will always belong to the Rockets but since I no longer live in Houston, I can't label them as a "favorite team" anymore. I just want to start watching basketball again because it seems to be an interesting time.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: etiolate on March 06, 2011, 04:15:05 PM
Once the Kings move, I'm probably ditching the NBA. It's a pretty shitty league. Right now is not an interesting time, unless you're watching the chronicle a train wreck.
Title: Remember the Spurs-Nets Finals?
Post by: Mandark on March 06, 2011, 04:41:25 PM
Really?  There are seven or eight teams with a legit shot to make the Finals, and a ton of HoF players in or near their primes.  Objectively, this is way better than the post-Jordan wasteland of the early aughts.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Himu on March 06, 2011, 04:42:23 PM
Yep
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2011, 06:11:43 PM
I don't find the NBA interesting but I'm looking forward to seeing how the Heat fare in the playoffs.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: pilonv1 on March 06, 2011, 06:12:03 PM
Quote from: etiolate on March 06, 2011, 04:15:05 PM
Once the Kings move, I'm probably ditching the NBA. It's a pretty shitty league. Right now is not an interesting time, unless you're watching the chronicle a train wreck.

Warriors are going to block the Kings move because it would make it easier for someone to move a team to San Jose. We're fighting the good fight  :american
Title: Re: Remember the Spurs-Nets Finals?
Post by: etiolate on March 06, 2011, 06:18:16 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 06, 2011, 04:41:25 PM
Really?  There are seven or eight teams with a legit shot to make the Finals, and a ton of HoF players in or near their primes.  Objectively, this is way better than the post-Jordan wasteland of the early aughts.

Seven or eight? no.

There was HoF players after Jordan. People just got caught up in their mourning.

Meanwhile, the ref problem is getting worse and the league looks more and more WWE by the year. Last years finals was two teams playing in a way TRYING to win via the refs, back and forth each game like that. It was boring and borderline ugly.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: etiolate on March 06, 2011, 06:19:33 PM
Quote from: pilonv1 on March 06, 2011, 06:12:03 PM
Quote from: etiolate on March 06, 2011, 04:15:05 PM
Once the Kings move, I'm probably ditching the NBA. It's a pretty shitty league. Right now is not an interesting time, unless you're watching the chronicle a train wreck.

Warriors are going to block the Kings move because it would make it easier for someone to move a team to San Jose. We're fighting the good fight  :american

I have heard that rumor about a San Jose team as well, involving the Hornets.
Title: Re: Remember the Spurs-Nets Finals?
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 06, 2011, 06:59:24 PM
Quote from: etiolate on March 06, 2011, 06:18:16 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 06, 2011, 04:41:25 PM
Really?  There are seven or eight teams with a legit shot to make the Finals, and a ton of HoF players in or near their primes.  Objectively, this is way better than the post-Jordan wasteland of the early aughts.

Seven or eight? no.

Spurs, Mavs, Lakers, and possibly the Thunder in the West. Celtics, Heat, Bulls, and maybe the Magic and Hawks in the East.

So, that's six with a real chance and three more with an outside shot.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 06, 2011, 07:02:03 PM
etoliate is just blue because he has to watch the Kings all the time, a team that most can beat while still half-asleep
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: pilonv1 on March 06, 2011, 07:07:23 PM
Quote from: etiolate on March 06, 2011, 06:19:33 PM
Quote from: pilonv1 on March 06, 2011, 06:12:03 PM
Quote from: etiolate on March 06, 2011, 04:15:05 PM
Once the Kings move, I'm probably ditching the NBA. It's a pretty shitty league. Right now is not an interesting time, unless you're watching the chronicle a train wreck.

Warriors are going to block the Kings move because it would make it easier for someone to move a team to San Jose. We're fighting the good fight  :american

I have heard that rumor about a San Jose team as well, involving the Hornets.

Apparently Larry Ellison made a comment about buying a team and putting it in San Jose because that fuckstick Cohan wouldn't sell to him even though he had the highest bid.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Himu on March 06, 2011, 07:45:40 PM
why put a team in san jose? I just can't imagine san jose with a nba franchise.
Title: Re: Remember the Spurs-Nets Finals?
Post by: etiolate on March 06, 2011, 07:55:55 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 06, 2011, 06:59:24 PM
Quote from: etiolate on March 06, 2011, 06:18:16 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 06, 2011, 04:41:25 PM
Really?  There are seven or eight teams with a legit shot to make the Finals, and a ton of HoF players in or near their primes.  Objectively, this is way better than the post-Jordan wasteland of the early aughts.

Seven or eight? no.

Spurs, Mavs, Lakers, and possibly the Thunder in the West. Celtics, Heat, Bulls, and maybe the Magic and Hawks in the East.

So, that's six with a real chance and three more with an outside shot.

I don't see the Mavs doing it. The Thunder have to make it to a tough WCF first and go through the high drama experience. (When a team is that young, its hard to make the jump from second round to finals, as I have seen over time.) They have the pieces though, just not this year.

The Celtics yes, the Bulls maybe but they have the same deal as the Thunder. The Heat probably, due to officiating, though they haven't shown anything much against the top. The Magic are too helter skelter. The Hawks aren't real contenders.

So I see more four or five teams vying to get to the Finals. The difference between now and post-Jordan is that the East actually has a chance, instead of it just being the top four in the west.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: etiolate on March 06, 2011, 07:57:10 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on March 06, 2011, 07:45:40 PM
why put a team in san jose? I just can't imagine san jose with a nba franchise.

Why put a team in Anahiem? Local business mainly.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Himu on March 06, 2011, 08:57:45 PM
if anything, the nba needs to lose like 10 or so teams but that will never happen.
Title: Re: Remember the Spurs-Nets Finals?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2011, 10:36:42 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 06, 2011, 06:59:24 PM
Quote from: etiolate on March 06, 2011, 06:18:16 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 06, 2011, 04:41:25 PM
Really?  There are seven or eight teams with a legit shot to make the Finals, and a ton of HoF players in or near their primes.  Objectively, this is way better than the post-Jordan wasteland of the early aughts.

Seven or eight? no.

Spurs, Mavs, Lakers, and possibly the Thunder in the West. Celtics, Heat, Bulls, and maybe the Magic and Hawks in the East.

So, that's six with a real chance and three more with an outside shot.

You seriously think the Thunder and Heat have a chance to win?

Lakers Celtics. Maybe the Bulls. Spurs will be run out by a faster/younger team, Mavs will choke, Dwight Howard will disappear for the Magic, etc.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Mandark on March 06, 2011, 10:52:07 PM
Tell us how the Celtics are gonna do in 2008, PD.

:teehee
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2011, 11:22:48 PM
god dammit
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Beezy on March 06, 2011, 11:37:45 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2011, 02:28:08 PM
tl dr: i'm looking for a bandwagon to jump on

You, Beezy, Cajole, and Smooth Groove should get no love
I really don't care. I never followed the NBA or rooted for a team until this season. I was just an MJ fan when I was a kid.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: etiolate on March 07, 2011, 01:50:38 AM
Beezy is part of the problem.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Beezy on March 07, 2011, 07:45:40 AM
 :american
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 07, 2011, 04:36:06 PM
:heatcry
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Beezy on March 08, 2011, 12:35:16 AM
(http://oi54.tinypic.com/j14pqp.jpg)

 :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 08, 2011, 02:25:23 AM
Mandark - seen this?

http://queencityhoops.com/blog/2011/03/04/the-importance-of-being-open/

These dudes set up cameras to literally measure everything that happens on the court in terms of location.

Quote
The focus of Weill’s research this time was on distance – from the rim and from defenders – and the impact on field goal percentage. Stats, LLC’s new tool provides exactly that, as Sandy was able to look at over 6,000 field goal attempts with the knowledge of where the shot was taken and the distance from defenders. Yes, plural defenders, as the range from all defenders is available, giving the ability to recognize double teams and an oncoming defender.

The three primary results of Weill’s poring through the data and accounting for things like historical player shooting percentages, distance, and shot type:
-Tight defense (within three feet) drops expected shooting 12% points (ie – a 50% shot becomes a 38% shot)
-FG% drops 1% point for every 1.5 feet from the rim
-There is something beneficial about the catch and shoot, beyond expectations

Now that's some useful geekery. All that is perhaps stuff we thought already - but now we KNOW it. For example, coaches can take this to a player and PROVE that certain shots are bad ones for them, no matter how good they may feel, or how many they think they are making.  8) A guard with the choice of a tightly-guarded 15 footer or passing for an open 3 can make a better-quality decision.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Mandark on March 08, 2011, 03:47:34 AM
I imagine Flip Saunders showing these numbers to Nick Young, using bar graphs and shot charts to visualize it, patiently going through the concepts and how Young could apply them to his own game.

I imagine Nick Young nodding, agreeing, poring over the data rapt in attention, before he plays the game that night and takes 20 midrange jumpers.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 08, 2011, 06:41:08 AM
Hey, Nick Young won't listen. But Chris Paul might.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam (Melo+Amare)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 08, 2011, 07:40:17 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2011, 02:28:08 PM
tl dr: i'm looking for a bandwagon to jump on

You, Beezy, Cajole, and Smooth Groove should get no love

WTF

I'm a lifelong LA resident that has sworn a blood feud with the current champions.  If anything, I'm the ultimate anti-bandwagoner.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Bocsius on March 09, 2011, 08:24:44 AM
Getting kind of ridiculous, Miami.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 09, 2011, 08:33:06 AM
The way they've played is just catching up to them. They've never played good team basketball. Everybody including the other superstars just sit around while the one superstar who currently has the ball goes 1 on 5.

And they are in the tough part of their schedule. No more feasting on sub 500 teams to pad out that record. They need a new coach who plans to implement an actual offensive system. I'm like a broken record on this but its what I see every time I watch them play. It shouldn't take a genius to figure this stuff out.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 09, 2011, 08:59:45 AM
C-Webb just ethered them on Twitter (and on Sports Center). Apparently they need to go 18-0 to match Cleveland's record last year. oh god.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: T-Short on March 09, 2011, 09:13:57 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 09, 2011, 08:59:45 AM
C-Webb just ethered them on Twitter (and on Sports Center). Apparently they need to go 18-0 to match Cleveland's record last year. oh god.

LINK IT
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 09, 2011, 09:39:12 AM
horrible shaky cam but this is all i have (from NBA TV, not Sports Center, d'oh):

[youtube=560,345]1gIZq6LADqc[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Bacchus7 on March 09, 2011, 10:14:56 AM
I've been waiting for this rematch for a while. Portland was just the better team out there.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 09, 2011, 11:50:28 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 09, 2011, 09:39:12 AM
horrible shaky cam but this is all i have (from NBA TV, not Sports Center, d'oh):

[youtube=560,345]1gIZq6LADqc[/youtube]

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2011/03/08/20110308_webber_on_heat.nba/
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 09, 2011, 07:33:14 PM
Spoelstra is getting kind of ridiculous on the Riley motivational speeches. He doesn't have the experience or the charisma to be playing those kind of mind games. Crying in the locker room? :lol He could very well have lost the team and his job with that.

Let's just see ONE little adjustment to how they actually play on the floor first. In the past week, I've seen any number of great suggestions for things that would probably make the Heat immediately better on offense and make everyone happier:
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 09, 2011, 07:46:22 PM
The thing is, it's hard to imagine that haven't been working on this stuff in practice all year. So either Spoelstra is a moron and hasn't been doing this or they have but not enough which I think is the more likely case.

Part of the reason I think Spolestra has to go is you need a coach on that team of such stature and magnitude that Lebron and Wade buy into it. Somebody who's track record is such that when they say do x,y or, z, his record of success means those guys commit. Sort of the Phil Jackson thing.

I think its probably pretty easy for players who are so talented like Lebron and Wade to just revert back to what they know and not trust anybody and go one on 5. The coach and those two have to be on the same page of saying its a team thing. And actually running an offense.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 09, 2011, 08:10:04 PM
Yes, but who are those coaches? If Coach K from Duke finally gave in and took an NBA job, this would be the one, I suppose. It worked out pretty well at the Olympics. Jackson and Doc Rivers are on the verge of retirement / temporary break from the NBA respectively (Doc wants to go coach his kids). Popovich is locked up for another few years at least, and will probably be in the Spurs organization for life. Larry Brown's record has been seriously tarnished by his last few stops, as has Nellie's. George Karl is locked up. Jerry Sloan? :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2011, 08:19:27 PM
Flip Saunders!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Bocsius on March 09, 2011, 08:38:38 PM
I figure they'll get John Calipari. Fire him after a couple of years and then get somebody worth having.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 10, 2011, 07:16:06 PM
bumping for more Heat humiliation today. I've watched the last few Lakers games (which is hard for me) and I have to say, they are back on form. The interior defense is brutal and I expect Miami will get very little in the paint tonight, even if Bosh's complaining pays off and he gets more low post touches.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 10, 2011, 07:24:56 PM
I was glad to see that stuff from Bosh. He does need to go inside more and get more touches inside.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 10, 2011, 07:35:44 PM
absolutely. They desperately need more variety in their offense. Their assist ratio is also miserable. Even if Bosh just passes out of the post like Boozer once in a while, it'll help.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 10, 2011, 08:10:11 PM
Bosh definitely more aggressive near the rim tonight so far.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 10, 2011, 08:56:46 PM
This season has been a great reminder of how awesome Odom can be. Scored on low post spin move and 3 on consecutive possessions :bow Bosh can't touch that.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Bocsius on March 10, 2011, 10:45:36 PM
2-0 versus the Lakers
0-n versus everybody else
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 10, 2011, 11:31:37 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnWvD2fuPdM&feature=feedu[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Mandark on March 12, 2011, 12:07:39 AM
Hollinger on Kobe's postgame practice session:

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And after the game, it was still about him, with his grandiose hey-look-at-me-working-out show succeeding brilliantly in sucking all the attention from his fit of self-indulgence at the end of the game. (News flash: American Airlines Arena has a practice court. I've been on it. It's nice and big and everything. But it's tough to herd all the media up there to fawn over your postgame workout.) If I were Pau Gasol or Andrew Bynum, I would have made an equally big show of going out to the court and standing helplessly in the paint calling for the ball while Bryant practiced his shots, just to add an extra element of realism.

Awwww snap.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: pilonv1 on March 12, 2011, 12:25:05 AM
yeah it's not like he has 5 titles or anything
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Mandark on March 12, 2011, 01:18:14 AM
You're right, that does put him beyond any criticism!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2011, 07:37:07 AM
No crying in the locker room for the Black Mamba. Just gets a big press crew together and heads out to the court at midnight to remind the world that it was all someone else's fault that he took and missed all the big shots again.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 15, 2011, 09:46:29 PM
I'm not sure why it takes you this long into a career and into a season to decide that going inside and trying to score when you're 6-11 is a good idea but Bosh finally coming to this conclusion is only a good thing for the heat. They kicked the crap out of the spurs last night and have been playing better since Bosh seems to be going inside more.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Mandark on March 15, 2011, 11:19:30 PM
Eh, if Bosh regularly makes long 2's off the catch, that's great for the Heat since their best two players are slashers and could use the spacing, plus he'd be pulling away a potential shot blocker in the other team's 4.

But I'll admit I've never watched that much of him in action so I don't know if he's suited for catch-and-shoot or if he's a Caron Butler type who's more comfortable taking a few seconds setting himself up in an iso situation.

Not like a three game win streak needs a ton of analysis anyways.  Same for a five game losing streak, at that.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 15, 2011, 11:32:39 PM
Knicks are awesome.

Best part of my day was driving during my lunch break and listening to a sports talk distinguished mentally-challenged fellow who loved the Melo trade turn on him already. Incredible.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 15, 2011, 11:42:58 PM
SMH, Cajole, you are even worse than Wrath. 

Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 15, 2011, 09:46:29 PM
I'm not sure why it takes you this long into a career and into a season to decide that going inside and trying to score when you're 6-11 is a good idea but Bosh finally coming to this conclusion is only a good thing for the heat. They kicked the crap out of the spurs last night and have been playing better since Bosh seems to be going inside more.

Maybe it's because playing inside is a lot more physically demanding?  Even though I'm only 5'10, my friends always make me play inside because of my strength and hops.  Posting up drains my energy really fast because I have to use power to create space every time and once I score a couple, secondary defenders are always slapping at my hands.  Or maybe it's just me because I'm out of shape.  LOL
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 16, 2011, 01:21:52 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 15, 2011, 11:42:58 PM
SMH, Cajole, you are even worse than Wrath.

I just like seeing stupid people be wrong.

Also, I know Stoney defended the trade here for the most part, but he was so level-headed like he always is. I mean other people. And really, it's not like I'm watching the Knicks much more than I did before (barely). I was beginning to watch again before the trade.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: etiolate on March 16, 2011, 01:25:45 AM
You can always watch the Nuggets
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Beezy on March 16, 2011, 10:44:22 AM
Jeffries showed exactly how shit he really is last night.

Quote from: etiolate on March 16, 2011, 01:25:45 AM
You can always watch the Nuggets
I've been watching them whenever I can since the trade.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 16, 2011, 10:55:30 AM
Quote from: Beezy on March 16, 2011, 10:44:22 AM
Jeffries showed exactly how shit he really is last night.

Quote from: etiolate on March 16, 2011, 01:25:45 AM
You can always watch the Nuggets
I've been watching them whenever I can since the trade.

Knicks West
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 17, 2011, 12:00:36 AM
I was watching the Heat's post-game conference and Bosh was seriously close to tears.  It's not his fault though.  All the other bigs on the Heat have been consistent in providing less than 5 pts + 5 rbs per game, combined.  It's a miracle that the Heat have won this many games.  I don't even think Haslem would make enough of a difference next year.  Is there any Ibaka-like player on the market this summer?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: pilonv1 on March 17, 2011, 12:54:56 AM
Even if there is the Heat have no money to get them, unless they can trade for one with Mike Millers corpse
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: ManaByte on March 17, 2011, 02:46:23 AM
The owners of the Sacramento Kings have registered trademarks for the Anaheim Royals.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: etiolate on March 17, 2011, 05:11:47 PM
Not that Anaheim cares
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 24, 2011, 01:31:31 PM
Reality has set in on the knicks.

Most people are back on the Lakers bandwagon for another title.

Nobody believes in the spurs.

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 24, 2011, 08:07:00 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 24, 2011, 01:31:31 PM
Reality has set in on the knicks.

bubububu two "super"stars
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 24, 2011, 08:11:26 PM
They were never going to win a playoff round or win a title this year before or after the trade. Now at least they have the ability to get better in the future and draw another free-agent.

 :smug
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 25, 2011, 09:48:06 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 24, 2011, 08:11:26 PM
They were never going to win a playoff round or win a title this year before or after the trade. Now at least they have the ability to get better in the future and draw another free-agent.

 :smug


Yeah, a free agent is really going to want to come to this trainwreck.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 25, 2011, 10:27:40 PM
Chris Paul already said he wants to. There are a LOT of trainwreck teams in the NBA, dude.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: etiolate on March 25, 2011, 10:39:09 PM
If there's a trainwreck, Chris Paul will be injured in it.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 25, 2011, 10:49:56 PM
Yeah, I realize I'm acting like a moron.
Quote from: etiolate on March 25, 2011, 10:39:09 PM
If there's a trainwreck, Chris Paul will be injured in it.

:lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 25, 2011, 10:50:47 PM
cold blooded  :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Mandark on March 25, 2011, 11:07:59 PM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on March 25, 2011, 09:48:06 PM
Yeah, a free agent is really going to want to come to this trainwreck.

Yeah, the New York fan complains that his team can't attract any players.  :spin
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 26, 2011, 01:24:57 AM
Quote from: Mandark on March 25, 2011, 11:07:59 PM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on March 25, 2011, 09:48:06 PM
Yeah, a free agent is really going to want to come to this trainwreck.

Yeah, the New York fan complains that his team can't attract any players.  :spin

annihilated

this is why i stick to baseball
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 26, 2011, 01:39:22 AM
I can just imagine Cajole walking into an imaginary NBA Fan Store, picking the NY Knicks box off the shelf and thinking "looks like the Mets, I'll have to rent this"
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 26, 2011, 01:04:40 PM
The Celtics are 9-7 since the Perkins trade.


The Lakers are 14-1 since the All-Star Break.

Just saying. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 26, 2011, 02:09:29 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 26, 2011, 01:39:22 AM
I can just imagine Cajole walking into an imaginary NBA Fan Store, picking the NY Knicks box off the shelf and thinking "looks like the Mets, I'll have to rent this"

hahahah
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 28, 2011, 12:38:37 AM
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LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh each had at least 30 points and 10 rebounds in the Heat win -- just the second time in NBA history three teammates reached those marks in a non-overtime game.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 28, 2011, 10:36:38 PM
Knicks win! Woooo
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Mandark on March 28, 2011, 11:58:35 PM
Hey, did Cormac make it out to that Clippers game while he was in Cali?

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I feel a little bad asking about this, cause it turned out to be an awesome 2OT game and if he didn't then it's almost taunting.
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Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: etiolate on March 29, 2011, 12:05:31 AM
read the random talk thread
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 29, 2011, 12:07:42 AM
Quote from: Mandark on March 28, 2011, 11:58:35 PM
Hey, did Cormac make it out to that Clippers game while he was in Cali?

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I feel a little bad asking about this, cause it turned out to be an awesome 2OT game and if he didn't then it's almost taunting.
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getting FoC flashbacks. You're slippin
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 29, 2011, 12:22:54 AM
Boston is really slipping. I don't follow them enough to know if this is just injuries and a temporary thing or if they have fallen off track in a big way somehow.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 29, 2011, 06:25:49 AM
I think Danny Ainge may have lost the team with the Perkins trade. Plus, they are missing Shaq, J O'Neal, Marquis Daniels, Troy Murphy, Rondo is in and out, so is Delonte West and Big Baby...I don't know if they have time to get used to the new line-up(s) before the playoffs start. It's tough - whoever gets the #1 seed in the East is gonna be playing a 30-35 win team. Whoever gets the 3rd could be playing Melo and Amare or the surprising Sixers. Tough time to fade.

Mandark - I wrote up a fairly long reply to Smooth Groove here -
http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=34032.msg1294573#msg1294573
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 29, 2011, 10:17:17 PM
Cavs beat the Heat tonight.
 
 :teehee
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Bocsius on March 30, 2011, 12:13:14 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 29, 2011, 10:17:17 PM
Cavs beat the Heat tonight.
 
 :teehee


see, what

what had happened was
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 31, 2011, 05:37:51 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 29, 2011, 06:25:49 AM
I think Danny Ainge may have lost the team with the Perkins trade. Plus, they are missing Shaq, J O'Neal, Marquis Daniels, Troy Murphy, Rondo is in and out, so is Delonte West and Big Baby...I don't know if they have time to get used to the new line-up(s) before the playoffs start. It's tough - whoever gets the #1 seed in the East is gonna be playing a 30-35 win team. Whoever gets the 3rd could be playing Melo and Amare or the surprising Sixers. Tough time to fade.

Mandark - I wrote up a fairly long reply to Smooth Groove here -
http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=34032.msg1294573#msg1294573

I was razzing my brother about the Celtics yesterday since he is a Celtics fan. It is a bit funny to me that the Celtics seem to be pinning their hopes on a wait for Jermaine O'Neal and Shaq to get back argument. If you told Celtics fans at the beginning of the season, that was going to be the case, I think their heads would have exploded.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 31, 2011, 09:31:04 PM
there were basically 2 issues Ainge felt he had to address -

- Marquis Daniels was lost for the season, leaving Pierce with no back-up
(little-known fact - Daniels is a weirdly accomplished post player, in the mould of Gary Payton. You'd never guess to look at him, but it's true)

- Perkins was going to command a healthy new contract next season that the Celtics probably couldn't afford without letting others go.

Were either of those a bigger threat to winning a title in 2011 than what they did? I really don't think so. Even betting on Shaq to return (which gives them the best statistical line-up in the NBA this whole season, btw...), Shaq still needs serious back-up. Krstic can maybe do that but Howard, Gasol etc would eat him alive.

If you also factor in that Perkins was almost as important to the defense as KG, and probably more important in terms of screens for Allen and Pierce, and offensive rebounding...and that he was beloved by the whole team (Rondo's best friend, and apparently ONLY friend on the roster...), as well as by the fans...and the fact that Green still doesn't have an identity after what, 4 seasons...ugh. Why did he do it. It may yet pan out but there are some pretty big 'ifs'. I'd have taken Perkins as center with this bunch for one last run. They were good enough to make the Finals and had a decent shot at winning it. Now...i'd say they are behind the Lakers, Heat, Bulls, Spurs, and Mavs, with the way they are playing. It's like the wind got knocked out of the whole team.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 31, 2011, 10:46:40 PM
Spurs lost again. They might lose their #1 seeding in the conference to the Lakers if they continue at this pace.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 01, 2011, 12:24:35 AM
dammit i was gonna watch that game later but could not resist the siren song of this thread
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 01, 2011, 12:33:52 AM
sorry
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 01, 2011, 02:09:50 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEgcml1Wx1w&feature=player_embedded#at=36[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6UzKptKPg0&feature=player_embedded#at=43[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 01, 2011, 11:07:05 PM
dude needs to get a cup of coffee in the NBA so we can vote him into the Slam Dunk contest
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread Era of the Superteam
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 01, 2011, 11:26:09 PM
Spurs lost again tonight. Everything is coming together to guarantee another Lakers title.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 01, 2011, 11:49:16 PM
I watched the last couple of Lakers games. They look really fucking good, dammit. Pin-sharp execution and dominant in the paint. Oh well, they won't have an easy ride in the playoffs, that I guarantee.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: OptimoPeach on April 02, 2011, 12:02:04 AM
Can I be a Lakers fan now since the Kings are ditching us? Seems only fair
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: etiolate on April 02, 2011, 12:44:26 AM
Sure, you'll be a FILTHY TRAITOR, but sure go for it.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: OptimoPeach on April 02, 2011, 01:21:46 AM
Nah I'd be afraid of someone burning my house down or something.
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I will, however, be a closeted Kobe fan forever, even if he is anti-clutch and a poor man's Jordan :shh
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How does this work among REAL SPORTS FANS when a team moves away, though? It seems too opportune to have free pickings of a new team when the team that's moving away has been less than .500 for half a decade. Then again, I stuck with the Raiders through that terrible chokefest against the Bucs and fuggin JaMarcus, so maybe this is like cross-sports karma or something
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: etiolate on April 02, 2011, 02:00:01 AM
I'm just dropping the NBA. Some fans follow a team to the next city, but the Maloofs have been Rachel Phelpsing us for too long to root for them and fuck it, its socal. Fuck Socal. I could follow the Warriors but that doesn't feel right either. I've always sorta rooted for small market teams like the Blazers and Spurs. The problem is that the NBA is trash and without a local team, I can't trick myself into supporting a league thats become such an embarrassment. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: etiolate on April 02, 2011, 03:43:08 AM
How has it been one of the best seasons?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: Mandark on April 02, 2011, 03:46:02 AM
We're not embittered Kings fans?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: etiolate on April 02, 2011, 03:50:06 AM
I was tired of the league before the move.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: etiolate on April 02, 2011, 03:59:26 AM
You have a lockout coming.
You have teams moving and things getting like the NHL where there's no team identity.
You have players breaking tampering rules to team up for superteams.
You have major problems with the officials and no sign of anything being done about it.
You have one of the weakest drafts that I can remember coming up.
The season is extremely typical: A handful of good teams while all signs point to the same old franchises being in the finals.
Stern's megalomania has started to leak out publicly and the thought of his continued control of the league is very depressing.

What is there to be excited about?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: Mandark on April 02, 2011, 04:06:45 AM
Quote from: etiolate on April 02, 2011, 03:50:06 AM
I was tired of the league before the move.

Oh, I know. (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200205310LAL.html)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: etiolate on April 02, 2011, 04:08:51 AM
pathetic
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: Mandark on April 02, 2011, 04:21:36 AM
 :lol

Dude, this isn't an angry game of escalating countertrolls, GS-Ichi style.  This is a friendly ragging cause you're projecting the experience of a Kings fan (robbed by the worst officiated game in league history, broken up, two current building blocks are head cases, owners with a foot out the door) as the objective state of the league.

There are a bunch of first-ballot HoF players at or near their peaks, some dynamic up-and-comers, more good teams than yer average NBA season, and the promise of a lot of high-level, competitive basketball once we hit the second round of the playoffs.  The product on the court is as entertaining as I can remember, and as much as the labor situation sucks I don't care very much and it's got nothing to do with the games being played.

Nobody's forcing you to enjoy it, but it feels a little silly to act like there's been some drastic change for the worse over the last decade or two.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: etiolate on April 02, 2011, 04:37:38 AM
Over the last decade or two? Yes, there's been a change for the worse. Stern modeled his league around Michael Jordan as a black Mickey Mouse. That worked financially until Jordan left. He kept up that model and it doesn't work without MJ. Not even Lebron can save that model because he villified himself over the summer. I had bad vibes with the league back during the Bulls run. This isn't a Kings fan thing, the team was irrelevant back then. I just saw something was amiss. It has continued on and now most people see the league as being borderline WWE. I don't see how that can be good. Now there's brand identity with teams moving and the officiating being bonk is a weird accepted reality.

Of course, casual fans aren't bothered by this. I don't see how there's more quality teams and play this year. I don't see that at all. The past had the Kings yes, better Mavs teams, better Spurs teams, better Suns teams, a stacked Blazers squad, and a brief run for the Twolves with Cassell and Spree to go with KG. The issue it was lopsided all to the West, with eastern teams being mostly one star making it for the entire team.

Guys like Wade and Lebron are in their prime, but their brand of basketball isn't exactly enjoyable. The way the league has grown into guys charging through people in the lane isn't exactly beautiful basketball. If you look at the top 5 in charges this year in the NBA, you will see a lot of the "stars". That is what the league has grown towards to accommodate the lack of shooting and the changes in rules. Bowling ball basketball. Even Super-Heat has been underwhelming because they are as ugly in the halfcourt as the Cavs were. How such a multi-talented guy like Lebron can't function in a NBA level offense is disturbing. I wonder if its because he can't do it, if the coaches he's had blow or if the coaches figure its a better strategy to just manipulate the refs into free-throws. I know OKC feels this way and maybe you like FT parades, but I don't. I don't know anyone who really does. Watching Kevin Martin for years made me ashamed.

Face it, I bring legit points (as usual).
Title: And I ain't touching all the passive-voice opinion stuff
Post by: Mandark on April 02, 2011, 05:14:21 AM
Has shooting actually deteriorated?  Has the leaguewide FT/FGA ratio shot up?  Were there as many teams with similar margins of victory as this year?  Was Minny good the same time as the Blazers?

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Okay, I checked the answers at the back of the textbook on that last one.  During the Wolves one good year Portland was a .500 team.
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Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: pilonv1 on April 02, 2011, 08:02:13 AM
As a lifelong Warriors fan I'm excited about this season. But I can see where etiolate is coming from, I find the Wade/Lebron style of play uninspired and shameful. Even if he is looking back with rose coloured glasses

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How such a multi-talented guy like Lebron can't function in a NBA level offense is disturbing. I wonder if its because he can't do it, if the coaches he's had blow or if the coaches figure its a better strategy to just manipulate the refs into free-throws.

It's cause he's never had a real coach who's challenged him to get better. They all pander to him or coach to his "strengths" because no one will go against him. At least Wade had Riley for a short period of time.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: OptimoPeach on April 02, 2011, 03:07:31 PM
Dayum I was mostly just bullshitting in this thread :lol I've always been a super casual NBA fan, and I'm honestly too young to remember much of the league pre-2k, so I can't say a whole lot except that I'll agree games devolving into free throw contests with like half of the 4th to go does disrupt a lot of the excitement for me. The playoffs still seem to produce some pretty great series, though

All I know is I'm going to be starved for sports if the NFL lockout goes through

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: Bacchus7 on April 02, 2011, 03:17:50 PM
Quote from: Mandark on April 02, 2011, 04:21:36 AM
There are a bunch of first-ballot HoF players at or near their peaks, some dynamic up-and-comers, more good teams than yer average NBA season, and the promise of a lot of high-level, competitive basketball once we hit the second round of the playoffs.  The product on the court is as entertaining as I can remember, and as much as the labor situation sucks I don't care very much and it's got nothing to do with the games being played.

Speak for the East.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 04, 2011, 12:38:15 AM
Nuggests beat the Lakers today and they are 15-4 since the Carmelo trade.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: etiolate on April 04, 2011, 02:50:34 AM
I'd root for the Nuggets since they're entertaining to watch but they'll get screwed in the playoffs.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 04, 2011, 10:40:33 AM
Despite their run they are stuck in the 4th or 5th slot which means they have to play a tough Thunder team anyway which limits their chances.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 08, 2011, 10:12:44 AM
Looks like the Lakers have stumbled a bit at the finish line and won't get the top seed out West.

Boston and Miami might have a really important match-up on Sunday to determine which one gets the 2nd seed. Bulls kicked the crap out of the Celtics last night.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 08, 2011, 11:52:03 AM
Rondo got absolutely smoked by Rose, aargh. I mean, no-one can stay in front of Rose, but he was just sonning the Celtics. You can't even put him on his ass 'cause he just dances around you. He has air control like in the original Quake. Gonna be a dogfight of a series for sure, and I have to say I'm a little bit concerned now, which I wasn't early in the season. If Shaq can give them a good 20 mins a night, I'd still give the Celtics the edge over the Bulls or the Heat but that seems like a real stretch, doesn't it? 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 08, 2011, 11:56:12 AM
Between the Bulls and the Celtics I've kinda jumped to the Bulls bandwagon. I just don't like the Celtics relying on people like Shaq and
Jermaine. Although playoff experience and toughness does count for something.

The heat will still have to prove me wrong. They have improved recently but I still don't trust them when it counts.

But the Celtics/Heat versus the Knicks will be an entertaining first round match-up even if both of those teams should handle the knicks.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 08, 2011, 12:04:45 PM
Also no one is talking about it but Dwayne Wade quietly put together a great season after a slow start.

He's shooting 50% which is the best of his career. His rebounds were a career high. His assists numbers were down but that's because the offense goes through Lebron. And his scoring remained pretty consistent only down a bit from last season (26.6  to 25.7)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 08, 2011, 10:39:53 PM
Well, Wade is age-wise at his absolute prime right now. I expected an amazing season from him. His spin-dunk on Perkins is in contention for my play of the year, along with that long lob to LeBron. Griffin over Mozgov still wins though. It really has been a toss-up between him and LeBron this season for MVP of that team, and neither would be a bad choice for league MVP. There are plenty of MVP candidates - Rose, Dirk, Howard, LeBron, Wade - who have basically all been fantastic. Rose is the only real surprise out of that bunch, and the difference in wins will nail it for him. But I wouldn't pick him first in a high stakes pick-up game vs those other guys. LeBron is still #1.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: Mandark on April 08, 2011, 11:46:18 PM
Rose's team had low expectations, while Wade's team had unrealistically high ones.  Cormac's right about the number of legit MVP candidates.  Dirk especially seems to be a victim of his own consistency (and maybe bad memories of accepting his award after losing a series to Golden State) where everyone's taking him for granted these days.

Looking forward to the playoffs.  Lakers looking like the team we thought they'd be, making the West seem less open than it was a month ago, Nuggets surging out of nowhere (but running into a wall with OKC), Boston crumbling, Spurs maybe crumbling (or Pop is easing off at just the right times), Memphis being all feisty, etc.

Oh, and a big :smug to all the college ball purists.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 09, 2011, 12:58:31 AM
text message convo from Monday night

nba fan: ha that game was horrible, I can't believe you watched it all
me: smh
nba fan: no response, no retort about traveling, refs, star treatment? ahahaha take that take that /diddy
me: smh

Great tournament overall, shitty finals.

Anyway time for me to jump on a bandwagon fellas. Philly seems like they can win this here tournament. Elton Brand's experience will definitely carry them a long way!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 10, 2011, 10:03:47 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rankc8FgUVk[/youtube]


Heat versus Celtics this afternoon in a big game for the #2 seed in the east.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 10, 2011, 06:42:25 PM
Heat crushed the Celtics today. Celtics drop to 3rd place in the east.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: OptimoPeach on April 10, 2011, 07:19:04 PM
Have the Celtics always been looking that pathetic since their trade? If so, is Shaq supposed to be back before the playoffs? Thirdly, is anyone still picking the Celtics to make it the finals again?

MMM I love to hate the Celtics more than anyone
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 10, 2011, 07:20:18 PM
Quote from: OptimoPeach on April 10, 2011, 07:19:04 PM
Have the Celtics always been looking that pathetic since their trade? If so, is Shaq supposed to be back before the playoffs? Thirdly, is anyone still picking the Celtics to make it the finals again?

MMM I love to hate the Celtics more than anyone

Shaq is supposed to be back for the playoffs but who knows how much he actually has left to play significant minutes.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 10, 2011, 09:49:29 PM
14-10 since the Perkins trade? damn. Not long ago it seemed like they had a chance to come out the east. I wonder if their window of opportunity will be closed after this season
Title: Might have to turn in my stat geek card
Post by: Mandark on April 10, 2011, 10:02:39 PM
Hard to blame their skid directly on Perkins' absence, because he only started six or seven games before he was traded, but I'm open to buying that the psychological blow of losing him tipped the scales, with the sheer age of the team and the double O'Neal injury situation making them more fragile than they looked.

The Celtics have certainly appeared to rise and fall with their emotions more than the other contenders over the last few years.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: Beezy on April 10, 2011, 10:04:33 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 10, 2011, 06:42:25 PM
Celtics drop to 3rd place in the east.
Damn you, Celtics. I want my Knicks/Heat playoff matchup.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 10, 2011, 10:07:00 PM
Much like the Lakers, I still think most people think the Celtics will up their game in the playoffs. Especially since the playoffs make it much more of a defensive game and somebody like Rondo and Garnett become much more important figures with the way playoff basketball is played on the offensive and defensive side.

It's just disconcerting to see them playing so poorly recently and hear so much talk about how Shaq will right the ship.

Quote from: Beezy on April 10, 2011, 10:04:33 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 10, 2011, 06:42:25 PM
Celtics drop to 3rd place in the east.
Damn you, Celtics. I want my Knicks/Heat playoff matchup.

As a rivalry fan I find the Celtics Knicks to be a much more interesting series but we'll see.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: Beezy on April 10, 2011, 10:16:20 PM
Knicks vs Heat will be faster paced and high scoring games which is always more fun to watch. Plus I think they actually have a chance against the Heat in a series.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 10, 2011, 10:46:39 PM
The Knicks have no chance against the Heat, get real.

Celtics looked bad, again. Jeff Green is such a fucking tweener. He takes as much off the table as he puts on it, to use a Bill Simmons metaphor. It's horrible when the Celtics have 3 tweeners at once on the floor with Green, Big Baby and Delonte West, just horrible. Rondo has been bizarre since the trade, unstoppable one night, totally absent the next. I presume he still knows that this is his team in a few years? 'cause he sure doesn't look like a leader right now.

The Celtics look like a 2nd round exit unless they get a solid 20-25 mins from Shaq. That line-up is great for them - everyone clearly loves playing with Shaq, and he with them. I preferred it to the line-up with Perkins, in all honesty, but would have loved to see Perkins taking all the remaining minutes at center rather than the garbage they have right now.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: Beezy on April 10, 2011, 10:51:23 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 10, 2011, 10:46:39 PM
The Knicks have no chance against the Heat, get real.
You think they have a better chance against the Celtics?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 10, 2011, 11:06:26 PM
Quote from: Beezy on April 10, 2011, 10:51:23 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 10, 2011, 10:46:39 PM
The Knicks have no chance against the Heat, get real.
You think they have a better chance against the Celtics?

no, they have no chance against the Celtics.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: Beezy on April 10, 2011, 11:14:51 PM
 :lol

Anyway, I'd rather see them play the Heat.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 10, 2011, 11:27:37 PM
It'll be a huge media blitz at least. Good for the Knicks. But they're not going to pull an upset, no way.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 11, 2011, 02:22:48 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 10, 2011, 11:27:37 PM
It'll be a huge media blitz at least. Good for the Knicks. But they're not going to pull an upset, no way.

And if they get close, the refs will ensure they don't succeed

:etiolet
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 11, 2011, 02:42:46 AM
yeah, the refs really have it in for those small market teams
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 11, 2011, 02:49:19 AM
Lakers have dropped 5 in a row. They are the 2nd seed right now in the West but the 2nd to 4th seeds in the west are all within a game of each other.

Knicks are hot again. Have won 7 in a row.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 11, 2011, 02:56:47 AM
I think the only major team that hasn't really slumped at any point is the Bulls. Even when they weren't destroying everything in their path, it was clearly because of major injuries to key players, and they still never had a major losing streak that I can remember. They are in pretty great shape for the playoffs, although Boozer is always a ticking injury time bomb I guess.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 11, 2011, 11:28:37 AM
That's why I find this year's playoffs are more interesting than most. There is generally a perceived front runner for the title but I think the case is much weaker this year. I think the Bulls and the Lakers (despite the slump) go in as the favorites in both conferences but I don't think anybody would be shocked if both teams don't make it. 


[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylcg0vFR_Cg&feature=feedu[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15MQcrsVY4Q&feature=feedu[/youtube]

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 11, 2011, 12:17:01 PM
OKC has made a pretty good push the last few weeks, including a nice fourth-quarter thumping of the Lakers last night. Wouldn't be too surprised if they made some noise in the playoffs this year.

Edit: They're 18-3 since losing a close game to the Lakers on February 27th, with a number of wins against playoff teams.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 11, 2011, 09:19:24 PM
OKC has really clicked since the Perkins trade. As I expected. Not that I'm alone there!

Tweeners. Fucking tweeners. Green messed up OKC for years by being just good enough to be worth starting him, even though he fucked up everyone ELSE. That's why Durant ended up playing a bunch at PF, and why Ibaka ended up playing a lot of center. Now they're both playing at their natural SF and PF positions, and just fucking wreckin' shop. It's beautiful to watch. This is what the Celtics HAD and lost it. Everyone on the Celtics had their role, and it was a role that played to their strengths. Now it's all a sloppy mess and no-one knows wtf they are supposed to be doing half the time.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 11, 2011, 10:25:14 PM
Heat lock up the #2 position tonight. Celtics will stay 3rd.

Looks like it will be the Celtics versus the Knicks in the first round.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Beezy on April 11, 2011, 10:30:42 PM
bah
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Bacchus7 on April 11, 2011, 11:11:11 PM
Glad the Lakers tanked themselves right into the 3rd seed while Portland's been working so hard to clinch the 6th seed so they could play the Mav's. :(
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Mandark on April 11, 2011, 11:14:02 PM
Wizards rounding into form just in time for the playoffs.  Oh yeah!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 12, 2011, 01:05:06 AM
Quote from: Bacchus7 on April 11, 2011, 11:11:11 PM
Glad the Lakers tanked themselves right into the 3rd seed while Portland's been working so hard to clinch the 6th seed so they could play the Mav's. :(

I think the Lakers still have a good shot at the second slot.

They have two more games left. San Antonio and Sacramento and San Antonio will probably rest people since they are locked into 1st place. If they tie Dallas or the Thunder, I believe they win the tiebreakers against both of those teams.

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 12, 2011, 11:44:56 PM
hyperextended knee for Bynum? Feel bad for the kid but :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 12, 2011, 11:52:05 PM
I was debating about turning on the game but I figured it would be an easy win for the Lakers since I checked the box score and it looked like Duncan, Parker, and Manu weren't playing.

Lakers are in a weird spot in where they should be resting people but they are fighting to stay in the #2 slot.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 13, 2011, 02:05:14 AM
There's a lot to love about Chicago. Rose is dominant tonight. It's going to be fun to see what he has for us in the playoffs, when everyone knows they have to shut him down. I can't think of any one player that could slow him significantly, with these rules. Instead, we're going to see a lot of swarming and pressing on him, and a lot of stalled offensive possessions as the rest of the Bulls fail to create anything. But they're in great shape to win those type of slow-down games with their D. I'm currently ranking them Miami > Bulls > Celtics > Magic but will be glued to every round. SOOO READY for the playoffs :hyper
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Mandark on April 13, 2011, 02:45:03 AM
So Bynum's injury should keep him out of at least the first round, no?  That could make things surprisingly interesting, if the Lakers wind up against the Grizz or Blazers.


You know, the Wizards had an agreement (http://www.nba.com/wizards/news/thibodeau_070703.html) to bring in Tom Thibodeau as essentially a defensive coordinator for Eddie Jordan a few years ago, but he decided he didn't like the situation (being brought in by the GM rather than the coach), backed out and wound up as an assistant with the C's.

Sigh.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 13, 2011, 02:47:40 AM
If Thibodeau had been able to turn THOSE Wizards into the league's #1 defense, he'd have been a first ballot Hall of Famer on that alone :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 13, 2011, 03:55:48 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_CAOKA23n0&feature=feedu[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvjAiP3ULSQ&feature=feedu_more[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiGK-P_mvVE&feature=channel_video_title[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on April 13, 2011, 04:05:16 PM
Kevin Durant likes dunking
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Bocsius on April 13, 2011, 11:49:30 PM
I might be living under a rock, but why in the blue hades would the Kings move to Anaheim?

Don't put another team in LA. Get one out of there, as a matter of fact.

Los Angeles Kings of Anaheim down the 5 past Santa Ana near Irvine
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 14, 2011, 12:06:41 AM
It has a modern stadium, big media market? This is a team that came from Rochester via Sacramento we're talking about here...
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: OptimoPeach on April 14, 2011, 12:47:54 AM
I'm so glad I stayed up to see this through to the end. I'll stick with em through the move to Anaheim if they can take this from the Lakers
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 14, 2011, 12:54:15 AM
lulz. Lakers are getting outscored 29 to 8 in the 4th quarter by the Kings. They were up by like 22 earlier in the game.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: OptimoPeach on April 14, 2011, 12:54:47 AM
Omg I'm losing my mind and I don't even consider myself a basketball fan

It's gonna hurt if they choke this away somehow
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 14, 2011, 12:55:28 AM
Kobe hits the big 3 to tie it up.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: OptimoPeach on April 14, 2011, 12:56:28 AM
:lol

Ow
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 14, 2011, 12:57:07 AM
tuning in now!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 14, 2011, 12:58:56 AM
wow, Thornton got swallowed up on that play.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 14, 2011, 01:08:56 AM
Lakers got it now.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 14, 2011, 01:10:13 AM
shame on you for losing faith when the ball is in Beno Udrih's hands :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: OptimoPeach on April 14, 2011, 01:13:02 AM
Kinda figured they had nothing left for OT after digging themselves out of that hole :'(

At least they made it entertaining
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 14, 2011, 01:19:49 AM
they made the Lakers work for it, for sure. And if they have to work against the Kings...

Sad to see the end of basketball in Arco. It was one of the rowdiest home courts ever. :'(
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 14, 2011, 01:27:00 AM
(http://i56.tinypic.com/34guc75.png)
(http://i55.tinypic.com/3096kv9.png)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Beezy on April 14, 2011, 01:33:15 AM
Nuggets vs. OKC? Knicks East and West both out in the first round. :(
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 14, 2011, 01:34:35 AM
Thanks, Stoney.

Realistically, the only potential upset I see there is Dallas-Portland, but lots of great match-ups.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on April 14, 2011, 01:41:29 AM
Lakers get lucky in avoiding any of the hot low seeds, and Nuggets are unlucky in hitting a very bad matchup.  I would have liked to see both them and OKC advance to the next round.  I'd be very surprised if the Grizzlies won, but almost as surprised for it to be an easy series.

The East is all about the next round.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 14, 2011, 01:53:21 AM
I'm rooting for the heat mainly to piss off all the haters even though they have issues as a squad.

I also kinda have a soft spot for the Mavs. I want them to do well this post-season.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 14, 2011, 02:23:20 AM
As awesome as the Mavs have been...they will likely be exposed yet again as a one-man squad. Dirk will have to be Herculean again to get back to the Finals, I think. We've seen this how many times? His passing has certainly improved but it's not enough playmaking to score against playoff D. 

East 2nd round will be a cage match. :hyper
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 14, 2011, 09:41:14 AM
Dirk needs that ring! He needs it!!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 14, 2011, 10:20:49 AM
well, he's not gonna get it.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 15, 2011, 10:33:34 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVDoQXk1y0M&feature=feedu[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpRozBR34KM&feature=feedu[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jazZWXqiVBQ&feature=feedu[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 15, 2011, 10:52:46 AM
Westbrook's a baller.

4th in assists, 3rd in steals, 1st in turnover, and 11th in total points.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 16, 2011, 01:41:41 AM
Tomorrow's games

Indiana at Chicago
Game 1   1:00 PM         
   
Philadelphia at Miami
Game 1   3:30 PM   
         
Atlanta at Orlando
Game 1   7:00 PM         
   
Portland at Dallas
Game 1   9:30 PM   
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 16, 2011, 03:29:44 PM
Bulls Pacers really close. Pacers have been leading for most of the game.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 16, 2011, 03:35:39 PM
If you missed this one you missed a bad ass comeback by the bulls so far in the 4th.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on April 16, 2011, 03:36:13 PM
Raucous crowd in Chicago rattling a young Pacers team.  Meanwhile the Heat game has kicked off in Miami and about a third of the seats are empty to start.  Yeesh.



PS If Gilbert Arenas five years ago put up a stat line like Rose's tonight, he would have gotten absolutely killed by the media.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: OptimoPeach on April 16, 2011, 03:42:56 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 16, 2011, 03:35:39 PM
If you missed this one you missed a bad ass comeback by the bulls so far in the 4th.
Nooo I overslept

Heat shitting the bed early ololo
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 16, 2011, 04:32:02 PM
Mavericks first round collapse incoming in T-4 hours. I don't even know if I can bear to watch it. :(
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 16, 2011, 05:55:01 PM
Win or lose Miami looks like shit in this game. Same 1 against 5 horseshit in the 4th quarter which is why they always end up missing a ton of shots. Fucking get a post game Lebron.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on April 16, 2011, 06:08:34 PM
Yeah they're so terrible wank wank wank.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 16, 2011, 06:11:15 PM
Wade saved that game for them
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 16, 2011, 06:38:26 PM
Mike Miller. 3 minutes. 0-3 FG.

What a waste of a contract that turned out to be.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 16, 2011, 08:16:57 PM
jeez, Dwight Howard 30 points in the first half out of 46 magic points.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on April 16, 2011, 10:06:40 PM
In a couple years we might look back on the ATL/ORL series as the point when Dwight Howard decided to find a new team.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 17, 2011, 12:10:50 AM
Nice 4th quarter comeback from the Mavs.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: etiolate on April 17, 2011, 12:23:08 AM
There's really no reason for the Magic to lose to the Hawks. The Hawks are a meaningless playoff team. They have nothing that makes up a playoff contender. Dwight might be gone.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on April 17, 2011, 12:48:02 AM
Hawks were 3-1 against the Magic in the regular season and Hollinger's been banging on for a while about this being a problematic matchup for Orlando, despite last year's fiasco.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 17, 2011, 04:15:07 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 16, 2011, 05:55:01 PM
Win or lose Miami looks like shit in this game. Same 1 against 5 horseshit in the 4th quarter which is why they always end up missing a ton of shots. Fucking get a post game Lebron.

http://www.nba.com/heat/news/evolution_post_game_110412.html

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 17, 2011, 05:38:12 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 17, 2011, 04:15:07 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 16, 2011, 05:55:01 PM
Win or lose Miami looks like shit in this game. Same 1 against 5 horseshit in the 4th quarter which is why they always end up missing a ton of shots. Fucking get a post game Lebron.

http://www.nba.com/heat/news/evolution_post_game_110412.html



Interesting read. I don't know. I won't argue against it other than to say like so many times in big games like in this Philly game, Lebron's attack in the 4th quarter devolves into taking the ball at the top of the three point line and then trying to breakdown the defense and drive it into the teeth of the offense and force up a shot. Perhaps the argument is more about shot selection and recognizing what is and isn't working in the 4th rather than a pure evaluation of his post game. While Lebron can do amazing things off the dribble sometimes he's no Derrick Rose especially when the defense is geared to stopping him so its frustrating to see him keep doing the same thing and failing at it without passing the ball or trying to attack in a different manner.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 17, 2011, 08:04:13 AM
Like the article says, LeBron's only real 'problem' is that he has too many skills. As Smooth Groove posted earlier, it's always going to be easier to dribble at the top of the key than set up in the post like Shaq, so that's LeBron's default play. But don't underestimate what he can do for the team from there. He can see over the defense, and make passes to pretty much any position. Plus, if he drives from there, he gets bailed out most of the time and gets to score with the clock stopped. Whereas a post play is going to eat a lot of clock. (this is why it's almost always guards who end up taking the last shots in games...).

But yeah, his worst failing is pounding the air out of the ball while everyone stands around. Not that you can't say that of almost every star player.

The Bulls game was a lot of fun. Hansborough played the game of his life. Rose was just unstoppable, looked every inch the MVP. Certainly there is no better PG (even as a massive Rondo fan, I can't deny it). That argument was put to rest about 40 games ago. Also, the United Center crowd is going to be a factor for the rest of these playoffs, I think. That arena was rockin'!

Also watched all of the Portland - Dallas game. Dirk bailed 'em out this time but I really think we could see an upset from Portland. They did very very well today and could easily have taken this game.

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 17, 2011, 05:48:25 PM
wow. Hornets are leading the Lakers here in the 4th quarter. Grizzlies already upset the Spurs earlier.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 17, 2011, 06:03:31 PM
Chris Paul is ballin


28 points 10/17  14 assists 4 steals 7 rebounds.


Unfortunaely the Hornets just lost their backup center to injury.

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 17, 2011, 06:56:52 PM
only 2 turnovers. Damn, perfect performance from Paul
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 17, 2011, 09:38:57 PM
Celtics Knicks was a crazy game. This might be a fun series.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on April 17, 2011, 09:42:18 PM
Celtics use off-the-ball movement and screening to set up Ray Allen for three, which he makes.  Knicks dump the ball to Carmelo and let him create a three for himself which he misses.

A bit unfair (NY had no timeouts and Anthony is generally great at the end of games), but it kind of sums up the difference between the two teams right now.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 17, 2011, 10:00:26 PM
Quote from: Mandark on April 17, 2011, 09:42:18 PM
Celtics use off-the-ball movement and screening to set up Ray Allen for three, which he makes.  Knicks dump the ball to Carmelo and let him create a three for himself which he misses.

A bit unfair (NY had no timeouts and Anthony is generally great at the end of games), but it kind of sums up the difference between the two teams right now.

I thought the offensive foul call on Carmelo the play before was bullshit. That was where they had a better chance.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on April 17, 2011, 10:16:16 PM
Oh, definitely.  When I heard the whistle I thought they were calling Pierce for the foul off the ball.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Beezy on April 17, 2011, 10:25:28 PM
That was the first time I saw the majority of NBAgaf agree on a call.

I'm still annoyed that they stopped giving the ball to Amare though.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 17, 2011, 10:38:11 PM
Entertaining game. Certainly no UConn/Butler but I was entertained
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 17, 2011, 10:45:24 PM
Great 2 days of basketball. This Thunder Nuggets game is crazy uptempo as expected.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 18, 2011, 12:05:40 AM
If you're not watching this Nuggets Thunder game you're missing another beast game.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Thread of Kobe's sixth ring
Post by: etiolate on April 18, 2011, 12:30:38 AM
Quote from: etiolate on April 04, 2011, 02:50:34 AM
I'd root for the Nuggets since they're entertaining to watch but they'll get screwed in the playoffs.

CALLED IT
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 18, 2011, 12:34:33 AM
Durant + Westbrook = 72 points

:bow
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 18, 2011, 02:06:41 AM
Durant is just fucking beastly.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 18, 2011, 11:12:11 AM
The onion as usual puts things into perspective.


Quote from: The Onion
MIAMI—Despite having high expectations heading into the 2010-2011 season, the Miami Heat suffered the worst regular season record of all-time Wednesday, limping to a painfully humiliating 58-24 and finishing an embarrassing second place in the Eastern Conference. "The Three Kings experiment is officially a disaster," said TNT basketball analyst Charles Barkley, who later called the Heat "pathetic" because the team only won a league-best 28 times on the road. "Two dozen losses and guaranteed home court advantage for two rounds of the NBA playoffs? Wow. This team owes an apology not just to its fans, but to the entire league." Sources confirmed this may have been the single worst performance by any team since the 1995-1996 Chicago Bulls lost a regular-season road game to the Denver Nuggets.

also

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCbAakCKa9Y&feature=feedu[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z2MKlJk6Eo&feature=feedu[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 18, 2011, 04:20:20 PM
fucking hell at lebron's passes.  no one does it better :bow2
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 18, 2011, 08:53:53 PM
2 absolutely GREAT days of ball so far. Unfortunately, because I'm mostly watching time-shifted via League Pass, I basically have to keep out of this thread (as well as off Facebook, twitter and news sites) to avoid getting spoiled but it's worth it.  (My other big peeve - those fucking infographics during games that tell you the results or scores of all the other games! aargh! Which means I have to watch the games IN ORDER on top of everything else....)

Anyway, lots of good teams got their noses bloodied. Lots of wins on the road. Lots of NEW TEAMS in the playoffs. Close, hard-fought games all round. Chris Paul back in the playoffs and looking like his old bad-assed self! It's fucking great. I still have no clue how this is all going to play out. I'm now hoping for OKC vs Bulls! It could happen! :hyper
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 18, 2011, 09:38:45 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 16, 2011, 05:55:01 PM
Win or lose Miami looks like shit in this game. Same 1 against 5 horseshit in the 4th quarter which is why they always end up missing a ton of shots. Fucking get a post game Lebron.

not tonight :teehee
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 18, 2011, 09:47:21 PM
Heat looked great tonight. Especially Bosh and Lebron and their defense in general.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 18, 2011, 09:48:11 PM
Does anybody on the planet enjoy listening to Reggie Miller?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 18, 2011, 09:49:24 PM
knicks fans

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Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 18, 2011, 09:49:52 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 18, 2011, 09:48:11 PM
Does anybody on the planet enjoy listening to Reggie Miller?

There are only a few color guys I can tolerate for basketball. Most of them are terrible even if its a former superstar like Reggie.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on April 18, 2011, 09:55:12 PM
If I'm not listening to Phil Buckhantz play the shameless homer, I like JVG.

Mike Breen:  "A good defensive possession for them, despite giving up the basket at the end."

Van Gundy:  "You can't call it a good possession if you let the other team score.  That's like Mrs. Lincoln saying she enjoyed the play!"

Breen and Mark Jackson:  "..."
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 18, 2011, 10:20:17 PM
Pacers giving the bulls a lot of trouble for some reason.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 19, 2011, 12:58:28 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4Gyw63Lq4A[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zly7aoXMvF0&feature=feedu[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 19, 2011, 04:33:36 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 18, 2011, 09:55:12 PM
If I'm not listening to Phil Buckhantz play the shameless homer, I like JVG.

Mike Breen:  "A good defensive possession for them, despite giving up the basket at the end."

Van Gundy:  "You can't call it a good possession if you let the other team score.  That's like Mrs. Lincoln saying she enjoyed the play!"

Breen and Mark Jackson:  "..."

Yeah, Van Gundy is awesome. I've watched bad games just to hear him and Mark Jackson go back and forth. Jackson has a great selection of quotes for the slo-mo replays - I can pretty much say them along with him in real-time at this point. 'Hand down, Man down!', 'Momma, there goes that man!' etc...

Hubie is the best for pure color though. I thought C-Webb did a great job on the Bulls game - first time I've heard him do that, actually. The other combo I can't stand is Marv and the Czar - they clearly fucking hate each other and their sparring makes me genuinely tense and uncomfortable.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: etiolate on April 19, 2011, 02:13:07 PM
really don't like Mike Breen's company apologist deal

and his PbP bores me most of the

edit: Not Mike Breen that I am thinking of, or maybe it is? Whoever the forgettable ABC guy is who seems to get all the games
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 19, 2011, 04:17:05 PM
After Nate McMillan complained about the officiating, the NBA is sending in Danny Crawford to tie the series up. $35,000 for a guaranteed playoff win, that's a pretty fair price. Mark Cuban should look into that deal.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 19, 2011, 07:20:53 PM
Rondo is killing the knicks poor defense early. Not sure why anybody isn't trying to stop his drives.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 19, 2011, 09:56:29 PM
Knicks lose another incredibly close one.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on April 19, 2011, 10:04:08 PM
sigh

fuck basketball
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Beezy on April 19, 2011, 11:22:39 PM
These close losses are killing me. They didn't even have Amare and Billups yet they still barely lost. This shit is frustrating.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 19, 2011, 11:30:53 PM
Good to see Jared Jefferies is still the push over he was at Indiana. smh
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on April 19, 2011, 11:52:42 PM
He's getting minutes at center for the Knicks, no?  When he was here in DC, he was mostly a 2-guard.  Which just goes to show his versatility, able to fail at four positions.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 20, 2011, 08:23:27 PM
Nugs-OKC is a crazy up and down game so far
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 21, 2011, 08:05:39 PM
Is it just me or are ernie and charles getting closer to a fistfight every night?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: etiolate on April 21, 2011, 09:05:45 PM
Quote
While the outcome is far from certain here, there are strong indications that the Maloof family, which owns the Kings, is facing enough opposition to the move to force it back to Sacramento

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Specifically, a source with knowledge of the proposal revealed that the television rights riches that had long been seen as a major motivating factor for the Maloofs aren't quite as lucrative as they had hoped. And while it had been assumed they would attempt to fill the programming void left by the Lakers at Fox Sports West due to their recent megadeal with Time Warner that starts in 2012, two sources said that is not the case.
The plan as presented in New York included a possible partnership worth $20 million annually with KDOC, an Orange County-based, independent television station that is co-owned by the very man working so hard to make this move happen. Anaheim Ducks owner Henry Samueli,

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sam_amick/04/20/sacramento.kings/index.html#ixzz1KD3Jzc3u

If this ends up true, I don't know what the Maloofs are going to do. Not only is their relationship with the fans low, but the fans know a billionaire is interested in buying the team. If they are forced to stay another year, do they show an effort to improve the team or do they do what they have been doing and keep quiet?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on April 22, 2011, 10:08:20 PM
FUCK THE KNICKS
FUCK THE KNICKS
FUCK THE KNICKS
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OH YOU SO PRINGLES. WHERE YOUR CURLEH MUSTACHE AT?
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Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 22, 2011, 10:43:38 PM
JAMAL CRAWFORD
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 22, 2011, 10:48:14 PM
Hawks game was good although that final 3 was lucky.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 23, 2011, 10:40:14 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ErKLfRsv4Q&feature=feedu[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 23, 2011, 11:39:44 AM
That shot was just absurd.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 23, 2011, 03:45:54 PM
Man, this Pacers team just refuses to roll over and die.  Valiant effort throughout this whole series.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 23, 2011, 07:38:00 PM
:piss Mavs :piss2
 
>:(

Edit: Might as well call the series now. Mavs dead. Don't even bother playing the next two games.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 23, 2011, 07:53:07 PM
Amazing Portland win & comeback
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Bacchus7 on April 23, 2011, 10:08:43 PM
That's the best sporting event I've ever watched as a fan.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 23, 2011, 10:16:34 PM
This Spurs Memphis game is no slouch either.

Grizzlies about to be up 2-1.

Zach Randolph is a beast.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2011, 03:42:40 PM
Heat lose. I'm not sure why Lebron isn't completely unable to pass in late game situations.  >:(
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Bacchus7 on April 24, 2011, 04:07:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YneamUqN1w
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2011, 05:40:49 PM
The crowd was pretty crazy during that game. Even though they started off the 4th quarter like 16 down, they were still really into it and loud.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on April 24, 2011, 05:49:03 PM
Smallish markets without other major sports teams seem to produce some of the best crowds (Portland, Utah, etc).  The Spurs sometimes have a problem selling out their arena, but still.  OKC fans basically used that one season with the Hornets as an audition to get a team.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2011, 01:24:33 AM
New Orleans won't win this series but Chris Paul is proving what a badass he is.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on April 25, 2011, 09:09:47 AM
Poor CP is getting the shit kicked out of him and he still plays like a stud. We'll see today if Kobe's ankle was as bad as he made it out to be.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 25, 2011, 09:27:15 AM
I was pretty damn excited going into the playoffs but they have exceeded expectations so far. No one series has been as compelling as say Celts-Bulls a few years back, but almost every one has been very compelling, exciting, hard-fought, skilled basketball. The only one of eight I haven't followed is Magic-Hawks (just can't bring myself to care about either of those teams - neither of them has a prayer in the next round also). I think I've seen around 90% of the games so far, and almost all of them have been competitive.

Grizzles-Spurs has been great (and scary to think Rudy Gay is on the bench...), Blazers-Mavs (my pick for an upset going in...) has been just a cage match (and the Roy game was as left-field as the Dragic game last year), Bulls-Pacers (reminds me of AI's Sixers the way Rose is just dragging them singlehandedly on), Hornets-Lakers, just great to see the champs get their noses bloodied...I could go on and on. Also great to see the Celtics work up to speed at last. They look a lot more ready for Miami now. Still not as good as they could be, but all things considered, I'll take it.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on April 25, 2011, 10:40:18 AM
I'd put Mark Cuban on suicide watch if the Mavs lose this series.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2011, 12:52:28 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 25, 2011, 09:27:15 AM
I was pretty damn excited going into the playoffs but they have exceeded expectations so far. No one series has been as compelling as say Celts-Bulls a few years back, but almost every one has been very compelling, exciting, hard-fought, skilled basketball. The only one of eight I haven't followed is Magic-Hawks (just can't bring myself to care about either of those teams - neither of them has a prayer in the next round also). I think I've seen around 90% of the games so far, and almost all of them have been competitive.

Grizzles-Spurs has been great (and scary to think Rudy Gay is on the bench...), Blazers-Mavs (my pick for an upset going in...) has been just a cage match (and the Roy game was as left-field as the Dragic game last year), Bulls-Pacers (reminds me of AI's Sixers the way Rose is just dragging them singlehandedly on), Hornets-Lakers, just great to see the champs get their noses bloodied...I could go on and on. Also great to see the Celtics work up to speed at last. They look a lot more ready for Miami now. Still not as good as they could be, but all things considered, I'll take it.

Celtics are playing very well. Although I'm rooting for the heat I just don't think they have the poise to beat the Celtics. They have the talent to do it, but the Heat just don't play well down the stretch which seems like a big weakness against a team like the Celtics.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 25, 2011, 01:03:22 PM
I want to see OKC just absolutely smash the Lakers. And then the Heat.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 25, 2011, 07:26:10 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on April 25, 2011, 01:03:22 PM
I want to see OKC just absolutely smash the Lakers. And then the Heat.

not very likely, but it would be fun. You saw them at the end of that last game against the Nuggets? Appalling execution there.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 25, 2011, 07:32:09 PM
Yeah, but you picked the Knicks to beat the Celts :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 25, 2011, 07:39:52 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 25, 2011, 07:26:10 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on April 25, 2011, 01:03:22 PM
I want to see OKC just absolutely smash the Lakers. And then the Heat.

not very likely, but it would be fun. You saw them at the end of that last game against the Nuggets? Appalling execution there.

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310424003
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Ganhyun on April 25, 2011, 07:43:32 PM
gonna step in and root for the Hawks.  :)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 25, 2011, 07:50:55 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on April 25, 2011, 07:39:52 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 25, 2011, 07:26:10 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on April 25, 2011, 01:03:22 PM
I want to see OKC just absolutely smash the Lakers. And then the Heat.

not very likely, but it would be fun. You saw them at the end of that last game against the Nuggets? Appalling execution there.

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310424003

The difference being, one of those teams is the Lakers, is coached by Phil Jackson and has won game 7s, overtimes on the road, came back from behind in a series, survived injuries mid-series...you name it. And the other has just won its first ever playoff road win, in highly unconvincing fashion, against a team with nothing resembling a star. The Thunder are a great team but seriously, it looked like they were TRYING not to win that one.

Pau did botch that awesome pass from Kobe though, jesus  Would love to know what Kobe said after that. Apparently it involved Easter. :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 25, 2011, 08:04:16 PM
Quote from: Wrath2X on April 25, 2011, 07:46:11 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 25, 2011, 07:32:09 PM
Yeah, but you picked the Knicks to beat the Celts :lol

Hey they played great up until they went back to New York  :lol

I still see the Lakers coming out of the west and either the Bulls or Celtics from the east. I see this as the last year the lakers or the celtics(especially the celtics) are considered the top teams.

EDIT: Ganhyun my man where have you been?

This is exactly the way the Celts have beaten teams since KG arrived though. They grind them down with their defense, late game execution and general physical and mental abuse, and have a few close games until they break the other team's spirit completely. And from there they romp. This is actually the first time they have swept a team in the KG era. But they haven't lost a whole lot of series'. You should have been expecting exactly what happened.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Beezy on April 25, 2011, 08:08:26 PM
Quote from: Wrath2X on April 25, 2011, 08:05:36 PM
I realized this from the first game, but still I expected the knicks to win at least one game.
They should have. Oh well.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 25, 2011, 08:24:25 PM
Quote from: Wrath2X on April 25, 2011, 08:05:36 PM
I realized this from the first game, but still I expected the knicks to win at least one game.

Hardly what you were saying on FB but your defeat is total so I will attempt to be gracious
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 25, 2011, 08:32:40 PM
Rooting for Memphis to make this series 3-1 tonight.  Man, what if the Lakers and Spurs both exit in the first round?  Would be crazy.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Ganhyun on April 25, 2011, 08:55:47 PM
Hey Wrath, I've been pretty busy with the old lady, work, and classes for work. How goes things?


Also, on topic, any chance the Hawks can make a Cinderella run to the finals and win?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2011, 10:01:57 PM
Memphis is really giving the Spurs the business.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2011, 10:02:49 PM
Quote from: Ganhyun on April 25, 2011, 08:55:47 PM
Also, on topic, any chance the Hawks can make a Cinderella run to the finals and win?

No.

But after the lackluster season they had, beating the magic will be a nice consolation prize for them.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 25, 2011, 10:19:29 PM
I don't know, based on how the Bulls have been playing, I could see the Hawks taking the Bulls to six or seven games.  Maybe even win it.  But they'll of course lose to either the Heat or Celtics.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2011, 10:31:09 PM
I think the bulls for whatever reason are playing down to the level of their competition in the Indiana series. Which isn't great but I think its way too early to over-react. The Hawks always matched up well with the Magic who are an underachieving and fundamentally broken team themselves. It's going to take a lot more to convince me that the hawks can beat the bulls.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 25, 2011, 10:33:41 PM
Can't believe the Spurs are tanking so bad, it's like they suddenly decided to pull an '07 Mavs.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2011, 10:34:50 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on April 25, 2011, 10:33:41 PM
Can't believe the Spurs are tanking so bad, it's like they suddenly decided to pull an '07 Mavs.

For whatever reason a lot of people never really bought into the Spurs in general this year.

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 25, 2011, 10:35:32 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2011, 10:01:57 PM
Memphis is really giving the Spurs the business.

It would make me feel a lot better if the Mavericks weren't the only top team to get ousted by an #8 seed. Almost enough to make up for them probably getting knocked out of the first round again.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Ganhyun on April 25, 2011, 10:37:32 PM
being I know nothing about the NBA, I root for the local (somewhat) team that has the teams I do root for. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2011, 10:37:43 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on April 25, 2011, 10:35:32 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2011, 10:01:57 PM
Memphis is really giving the Spurs the business.

It would make me feel a lot better if the Mavericks weren't the only top team to get ousted by an #8 seed. Almost enough to make up for them probably getting knocked out of the first round again.

Mavs are up in this game and will probably win it. I still think they have a good shot at winning their series if they win tonight.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 25, 2011, 10:40:05 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2011, 10:31:09 PM
I think the bulls for whatever reason are playing down to the level of their competition in the Indiana series. Which isn't great but I think its way too early to over-react. The Hawks always matched up well with the Magic who are an underachieving and fundamentally broken team themselves. It's going to take a lot more to convince me that the hawks can beat the bulls.

I don't buy the "playing down" excuse – that seemed to be a running excuse given to the Cavs whenever they were the playoffs the last few years.  Simply put, they have two or three star players and an average cast around them, much like the 60+ win seasons the Cavs had with Lebron.

I know the same can be said for the Heat this year, but the Heat's bench isn't as bad as the Cavs were in the past.

I still think the Bulls go to the conference finals, but I'm not really convinced that they'll reach the overall finals.  I see it being either the Celtics or Heat.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2011, 10:43:01 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 25, 2011, 10:40:05 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2011, 10:31:09 PM
I think the bulls for whatever reason are playing down to the level of their competition in the Indiana series. Which isn't great but I think its way too early to over-react. The Hawks always matched up well with the Magic who are an underachieving and fundamentally broken team themselves. It's going to take a lot more to convince me that the hawks can beat the bulls.

I don't buy the "playing down" excuse – that seemed to be a running excuse given to the Cavs whenever they were the playoffs the last few years.  Simply put, they have two or three star players and an average cast around them, much like the 60+ win seasons the Cavs had with Lebron.

I know the same can be said for the Heat this year, but the Heat's bench isn't as bad as the Cavs were in the past.

I still think the Bulls go to the conference finals, but I'm not really convinced that they'll reach the overall finals.  I see it being either the Celtics or Heat.

Fundamentally I think there is a major difference between the Cavs of years past and the Chicago Bulls. I think they are a much better basketball squad despite however many games those Cleveland teams won those years. Now if the bulls get upset by Atlanta in the next round then that says something about the argument you are making and I'll give you props.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 25, 2011, 10:50:39 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2011, 10:37:43 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on April 25, 2011, 10:35:32 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2011, 10:01:57 PM
Memphis is really giving the Spurs the business.

It would make me feel a lot better if the Mavericks weren't the only top team to get ousted by an #8 seed. Almost enough to make up for them probably getting knocked out of the first round again.

Mavs are up in this game and will probably win it. I still think they have a good shot at winning their series if they win tonight.

No, they'll fail somehow. If they do win, it'll only be so they can fool me into getting my hopes up so that they can crush them again at a later date.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on April 26, 2011, 01:35:24 AM
Hell of a game between the Nugs and Thunder.  Wish they didn't have to take each other out in the first round.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 26, 2011, 07:35:56 AM
Nugs - Thunder was fun, but man, Westbrook took some baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad shots there. The lane was wide open on one of them, and he retreated outside the arc for a 3. Then he airballed a 3 on their last possession.

Normally I feel like I know the result of every opening round series but I am *still* not sure I know how a few of these will go. I think the Spurs will likely lose. The biggest difference in their game vs the regular season is that their 3pt shooters are being properly closed out on, so their main weapon has been nullified. Tony Allen and Battier are HELL ON WHEELS on the perimeter. If you or I were playing out there, we couldn't even receive a pass I bet. So the likes of Matt Bonner has gone from being a fairly serious player to an absolute waste of playing time. Manu and Parker are having to work like crazy to create anything, and they are wearing down. Whereas the Grizz are having a very easy time creating shots because Randolph has suddenly started playing like Vlade Divac, hitting cutters from the low post. In addition to of course dominating on the offensive glass and scoring at will. 5 or 6 years ago Duncan wouldn't have even felt him or Gasol in there, but now they are just walling him up and he can't do much about it. Great regular season team, poor playoff team.

I don't want to count the Spurs out, but they look beat. At this point, they have no tricks left to try. The Grizz are handling everything they can throw at them, with ease.

Dallas - Portland should go 7, but I still give the Blazers the edge. It's looking like the Roy game was indeed a fluke though. I'm sure they will be going back to Aldridge big-time for game 6.

Hornets - Lakers tomorrow :hyper 

(The Hawks have no fucking shot of getting out of the 2nd round. None! Get that shit out of here :lol)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 26, 2011, 08:47:11 AM
The Lakers aren't really in that much trouble, no. Always fun to see them get their noses bloodied though.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2011, 12:22:25 PM
Three potential elimination games tonight.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2011, 09:26:36 PM
The heat are so bad down the stretch.  ::)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 27, 2011, 09:36:56 PM
From ESPN:

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k33/GreatRumbler/miaheat.jpg)
 
:lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2011, 09:40:38 PM
 :lol

Take it bitch!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2011, 10:16:26 PM
Pam Oliver is kinda hot to be 50.


Just saying.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 27, 2011, 10:20:50 PM
"Oh you!"

(http://i.imgur.com/FkK2F.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2011, 10:29:02 PM
Grizzlies 76
Spurs 71

9:36 left.

 :teehee
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2011, 10:59:32 PM
This Spurs Grizzlies game is beast.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 27, 2011, 11:03:49 PM
Spuuuuuuuuuuuuurs
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2011, 11:08:36 PM
Holy shit!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2011, 11:26:31 PM
Best game of the playoffs so far. Amazing comeback win for the spurs. They were as close to being on the verge of being eliminated as you can be.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on April 27, 2011, 11:30:10 PM
that was insane shit
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2011, 12:08:22 AM
This nuggets thunder game is beast too.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2011, 12:17:23 AM
Serge Ibaka


9 blocks.

Kevin Durant


41 points.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2011, 12:22:14 AM
Great game. Thunder Win.

Awesome night of basketball.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 28, 2011, 12:23:55 AM
Great game, Thunder really went off there in those last few minutes.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on April 28, 2011, 12:27:33 AM
Great night of games.

:bow Western Conference :bow2
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 28, 2011, 01:17:07 AM
It's really crazy that four of OKC's top players are 22 or younger. Their "veterans" are both 26.  :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 28, 2011, 08:12:00 AM
amazing batch of games, just amazing. I feel like I can't miss ANYTHING.

:bow this year's NBA :bow2

:piss lockout talk :piss2

When Durant is rolling like that, he scores easier than anyone I've ever seen. He shoots like Peja used to.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2011, 01:11:42 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9iIWp2s3lM&feature=feedu[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-VD1UBraVY&feature=relmfu[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJVlFam7_vk&feature=feedu[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2011, 06:05:38 PM
Three more elimination games tonight.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 28, 2011, 06:09:12 PM
I can haz Mavericks road win?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 28, 2011, 06:17:23 PM
Magic are done.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2011, 10:07:31 PM
So where is Dwight Howard going when his contract is up?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 28, 2011, 10:54:40 PM
So I'm guessing Van Gundy is out. Don't fuck with Stern
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 28, 2011, 11:12:08 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2011, 10:07:31 PM
So where is Dwight Howard going when his contract is up?

Miami
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 28, 2011, 11:29:57 PM
oh god that would be epic
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 28, 2011, 11:30:34 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2011, 10:07:31 PM
So where is Dwight Howard going when his contract is up?

Detroit
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 28, 2011, 11:33:21 PM
Phoenix!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2011, 12:42:25 AM
Very good 4th quarter here. Portland made a run but Dallas ain't backing down. Dirk is hitting everything.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2011, 01:08:30 AM
Dallas almost blew it but it looks like they will pull it out and eliminate Portland.

The only first round series with games left to play is Memphis versus San Antonio.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 29, 2011, 01:08:45 AM
Mavs up by 8 with 30 seconds, looks like they got this one.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 29, 2011, 01:12:37 AM
Dirk's just money with those free throws in the last minute.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 29, 2011, 02:41:30 AM
Great game, full of nice runs from both teams. Dirk still the man. Aldridge gradually faded throughout the series, which is what I thought let Dallas take it. If he had continued beasting, the Blazers would have been in great shape no matter what Dallas threw at them. I think the Roy Game might have hurt his confidence. It definitely put the ball back in Roy's hands, and sent Andre Miller to the bench (meaning that Aldridge didn't get anywhere near as many quality looks, and no more oops). Oh well. I was entertained!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 29, 2011, 11:27:40 PM
Grizzlies :o
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2011, 11:30:03 PM
Randolph is amazing on that block.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 29, 2011, 11:30:43 PM
Yeah, I just tuned in for the last 5 minutes and he's been NBA Jam-esque on FIRE.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 29, 2011, 11:36:11 PM
Looks like Spurs are done. Griz move to the next round for the first time ever, but their gonna get stomped by OKC.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2011, 11:37:19 PM
Should be a really fun series. And honestly I think its closer than that. I think they will put up a great fight against Oklahoma.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 29, 2011, 11:38:07 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2011, 11:37:19 PM
Should be a really fun series. And honestly I think its closer than that. I think they will put up a great fight against Oklahoma.

Last year I would have said that a series like that would be close. This year? I just don't think so. Durant's better than ever, Westbrook is vastly improved, and Ibaka's going crazy out there. I just don't see the Griz putting up a really big fight.

I mean, they did beat the Spurs up pretty bad, but that's probably more of an age thing than the Griz actually having more talent on the court. The Spurs are oooooooold.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 29, 2011, 11:42:05 PM
Damn, definitely feel bad for McDyess, who's been chasing a ring for awhile now. He almost got one in Detroit but got dicked over by team implosion/wide open Robert Horry. I've watched maybe four NBA games this season (half of them on Christmas) so I'm no expert nor am I bragging, but it seemed like the Spurs were too old/injured to breeze through the regular season and have much left for the playoffs.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 29, 2011, 11:42:20 PM
The Spurs also had probably their best regular season ever.  I think the Grizzlies are a better team than you think.

Thunder will still win it, but I see it going 6 games.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 29, 2011, 11:43:42 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 29, 2011, 11:42:20 PM
The Spurs also had probably their best regular season ever.  I think the Grizzlies are a better team than you think.

Dude, I'm a Mavs fan. I know what the regular season counts for.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
A big, old bucket of nothing.
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Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 29, 2011, 11:52:08 PM
Right, I know, but it's still pretty telling that they won so much and still got beat by a pretty good team.  Methinks the Griz will win at least 2.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 29, 2011, 11:55:10 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 29, 2011, 11:52:08 PM
Right, I know, but it's still pretty telling that they won so much and still got beat by a pretty good team.  Methinks the Griz will win at least 2.

Didn't help the '07 Warriors that much in the second round.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 30, 2011, 03:10:35 AM
The Grizzlies are playing EASILY the best defense of any team left in the playoffs. Including Chicago and Boston. The OKC series will be a cage match.

Oh how I wish the Grizz were drawing the Lakers next. That would have scared the crap out of the Lake show. Instead they get the Mavs, who will get picked apart. Oh well.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: pilonv1 on April 30, 2011, 05:59:08 AM
Marc would rape Pau a new asshole right now. Lakers got boned in that trade :teehee
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on April 30, 2011, 05:59:44 AM
I realized how crazy the situation was when the Spurs started running their offense through whichever of Parker and Ginobili were being guarded by Shane Battier, because that was the easier matchup compared to Tony Allen.

Also, Zach Randolph goddamn.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: pilonv1 on April 30, 2011, 06:02:40 AM
Funny the Spurs started playing shit when Blair was taken out of the rotation. Pop is becoming Nellie lite.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 30, 2011, 06:49:47 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 30, 2011, 05:59:44 AM
I realized how crazy the situation was when the Spurs started running their offense through whichever of Parker and Ginobili were being guarded by Shane Battier, because that was the easier matchup compared to Tony Allen.

Also, Zach Randolph goddamn.

Confession - I got goosebumps when the crowd started chanting 'Tony Tony'. Great when fans recognize when a role player is kicking ass like that. He made Manu's life hell. And it is a testament to Manu's creativity and skills that he still had an impact. I sooooo wanted to see Allen on Kobe, 'cause he murderated him when he was with the Celtics. The problem back then was that he couldn't be trusted to make a layup or not foul a non-shooter on a 3 with a second on the clock etc. Now he is almost under control. He's the new Ron Artest!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 30, 2011, 06:52:57 AM
Also, Grizz won 3 of 4 against OKC in the regular season. If Allen can put the leash on Westbrook, it will be a very interesting series. Perkins is hurt and not that effective, so Gasol and ZeeBo will continue to beast it inside. OKC still has a ton of weapons though, and the best overall player in Durant. OKC in 7?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 01, 2011, 01:50:22 PM
Memphis:45
OKC:32


 :teehee
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on May 01, 2011, 03:17:07 PM
Marc Gasol with the ball near the elbow, finds Conley cutting towards the basket who passes to a wide open Randolph for the jumper.  Beautiful play.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 01, 2011, 03:28:51 PM
Grizz have got this first game on the road. They play tough D and they take high percentage close up shots on offense. The thunder are in for a big fight in this series.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 01, 2011, 03:41:21 PM
Celtics Heat starting now. Haven't been this hyped for a series in awhile.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 01, 2011, 04:23:08 PM
It's gonna be a defensive series throughout.

Probably the two best defensive teams in the league.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 01, 2011, 04:41:41 PM
Great first half for the Heat.

But this series is going to be back and forth all the way through even if the Heat take this first game.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 01, 2011, 05:29:44 PM
Pretty much.  7 game series for sure.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 01, 2011, 05:46:54 PM
Hahhahaha at the Pierce face rub
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 01, 2011, 05:50:24 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)

Officiating finishing off the game for the Heat
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Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 01, 2011, 05:51:19 PM
lol this is some terrible officiating.  Heat had this game anyway, though.  Pierce is a little bitch regardless
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 01, 2011, 05:53:16 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 01, 2011, 05:51:19 PM
Heat had this game anyway

This.

Should only add some more spice when they eventually get back to Boston.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 01, 2011, 05:59:43 PM
Hmmm.  Maybe not!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 01, 2011, 06:10:19 PM
Bosh is such a god damn pussy sometimes.

All that talk about going inside and being tough and he's back to his usual fucking self. He annoys me so fucking much.

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 01, 2011, 06:11:24 PM
yeah.  He had a pretty open basket there yet he decided to dribble and dick around.  should've taken a page from garnett and just dunk the shit out of it
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Beezy on May 01, 2011, 06:31:44 PM
I loved when Garnett blocked the shit out of him in the 4th. Bosh :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 01, 2011, 06:41:31 PM
Bad ass alley-oop.


[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01_M9SIXbWQ&feature=feedu[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 01, 2011, 07:56:34 PM
Still don't get the Pierce ejection. I realize refs didn't want things to get out of hand but come on
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Rman on May 01, 2011, 08:02:06 PM
Grizzlies are really fun to watch.  Love the ball movement.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 01, 2011, 09:15:02 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 01, 2011, 07:56:34 PM
Still don't get the Pierce ejection. I realize refs didn't want things to get out of hand but come on

It's only gonna make him player harder and more aggressively.  The refs dun goofed
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Beezy on May 01, 2011, 10:45:02 PM
Quote from: Rman on May 01, 2011, 08:02:06 PM
Grizzlies are really fun to watch.  Love the ball movement.
I hope they manage to upset OKC also. Only because Westbrook is getting on my nerves. I like the rest of the team mostly.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 01, 2011, 11:17:37 PM
The Grizz are my new team in NBA 2k11. I'm beasting with Randolph.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on May 01, 2011, 11:19:27 PM
Westbrook's a helluva player, but he's shown some surprisingly bad body language at times.  There was one play in the game they lost to Denver where he thought he had been fouled, was the last player back on defense, and it let his man get wide open to set up someone for a 3.

Still, he's 22?  There are worse things.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2011, 01:11:21 PM
Kinda interesting to see who is playing the best in the playoffs so far based on PER

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?seasontype=3&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fhollinger%2fstatistics%3fseasontype%3d3
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2011, 01:32:18 PM
whoops wrong thread

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2011, 10:07:16 PM
Atlanta giving Chicago the business at the moment.


 :teehee
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 02, 2011, 10:25:18 PM
:bow The Grizzlies of the East :bow2
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2011, 10:26:30 PM
The crazy thing is I think the Bulls are playing good defense. The Hawks are just insanely hot tonight. They are hitting everything. Even the tough shots and the stupid shots.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2011, 01:15:07 AM
Mavericks trying to steal game 1. If Kidd had made his free throws it would have been easier.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2011, 01:17:22 AM
Mavs steal it. :teehee

 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 03, 2011, 01:24:17 AM
Upset night!  Yesss.  And the Mavs taking one at the Lakers home is pretty big – probably won't really affect the series overall, but it makes me realize that honestly either the Grizzlies or Thunder both have a great chance of beating the Lakers.

Thank god, too.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 03, 2011, 08:58:36 AM
:bow Mavs :bow2

I really didn't think the Mavs could win this one, if anything, I thought they'd have a better shot at Game 2. I figured Kobe was going to come out gunning in Game 1 (and he did) but they managed to slip by anyway. :rock
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2011, 09:04:27 AM
It definitely was kind of a stolen game. If felt like the Lakers were in control the entire night. And Kobe got a long rest and was put back in to close out the game in the 4th. But the Mavs played some good defense down the stretch (gasp) and hit some key shots.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 03, 2011, 09:26:21 PM
God the Celtics are a bunch of bitches.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2011, 09:33:04 PM
Heat up 2-0. They held home court like they were supposed to. Puts the pressure back on Boston to win their two at home. Next game isn't until Saturday.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2011, 09:34:18 PM
Next game should be fun. Thunder in a must win game in only the second game in the series.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 03, 2011, 09:45:54 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on May 03, 2011, 09:38:53 PM
Hopefully the Heat sweep so the media's storyline goes in the shitter and they can concentrate on the better series.

On the Thunder-Grizzlies?  YES.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 03, 2011, 10:09:05 PM
oh god, that would be the least watched finals ever  :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2011, 10:33:52 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v121oPC3DK4&feature=feedu[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mum4U2JQi-o[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 03, 2011, 10:41:05 PM
How the Celts have been playing in a nutshell. Oh Ray Allen, your sharpshootin' can't save us now.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2011, 11:59:36 PM
Thunder handle business tonight and seem to be blowing out the Grizzlies. Also this whole Shaq coming back thing seems to be highly unlikely now to me. And even if he does play how will he manage to play any significant minutes.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2011, 11:39:01 AM
While the Heat's offense still doesn't function like a great team offense usually does they are getting one of the benefits I kind of hoped would happen in the playoffs. The Celtics are wearing down trying to control both Wade and Lebron. And Lebron and Wade are able to kind of rest. As one is going off the other is resting. And then he starts to go off so the other can rest a bit in return. It must be a bit disheartening for the Celtics as they have no down time.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on May 04, 2011, 11:52:54 AM
The Celtics just look old. There is a changing of the guard going on.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 04, 2011, 07:26:19 PM
Celtics looked slow as hell. They could obviously come back at home, and who knows how the Heat will respond once it's clear the Celtics aren't gonna lay down and die
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2011, 07:34:37 PM
They look slow partly because Wade and Lebron fly around the court. In that sense they are slow compared to those two or in rotation to try to cover those two.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2011, 12:51:00 AM
Dallas up by 10.  6 minutes left. Will they choke it away?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 05, 2011, 12:54:29 AM
Refs will even things out!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2011, 12:56:56 AM
It's over. Mavs have this game. Up 2-0. Shocking.

I still don't trust the mavs to win the series because of their history but they are in great shape to do so and statistically likely to do so.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 05, 2011, 01:01:14 AM
I'm really surprised at how well Dallas has been able to do in LA. Didn't expect this at all after they struggled against Portland.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Beezy on May 05, 2011, 01:01:49 AM
It would be nice if neither the Celtics or the Lakers got past the 2nd round.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 05, 2011, 01:03:46 AM
They're both down 0-2, so that's a distinct possibility.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2011, 01:04:20 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 05, 2011, 01:01:14 AM
I'm really surprised at how well Dallas has been able to do in LA. Didn't expect this at all after they struggled against Portland.

They closed out really well against Portland on the road but yeah this is pretty shocking. Almost Nobody picked them to win this series.

Tyson Chandler really helps them on defense. Dirk is playing insanely. And fucking JJ Barea killed the Lakers tonight. JJ fucking Barea.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 05, 2011, 01:05:21 AM
Artest  :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 05, 2011, 01:08:08 AM
Mavs winning the first two on the road is great, because they're gonna be coming back to Dallas riding high and the Lakers are gonna come into Dallas already in a big rut. No guarantees, obviously, as 2006 showed, but they've proven that this Lakers team isn't unbeatable.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2011, 01:10:12 AM
btw Barea is dating a former miss universe.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&biw=1069&bih=827&q=Zuleyka+Rivera&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&wrapid=tlif130457180847710&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 05, 2011, 01:14:24 AM
Snap! JJ's a boss!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2011, 01:25:27 AM
Nasty ass oop.


[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Glqkr8CbD4[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: etiolate on May 05, 2011, 01:27:53 AM
poor poor lakers  :lol

though OKC/Grizz might beat either dal or la
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: T-Short on May 05, 2011, 02:47:55 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 05, 2011, 01:05:21 AM
Artest  :lol

Just saw that now :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2011, 05:02:54 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=6487063

Not surprising. Probably actually better since it will mean more minutes for Odom.


Also Doc says Shaq is playing in Game 3.

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/news/story?id=6486856

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 05, 2011, 05:10:17 PM
They were talking about the Lakers using Artest to try to slow down Dirk, but nothing really came of that.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2011, 05:16:02 PM
Well the convention wisdom use to be just muscle dirk around since he was soft. But in the last few years he has just been shooting over people anyway.

And it helps when you can release from the crazy angles he takes some of his shots.

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lobdqvsotQs&feature=channel_video_title[/youtube]

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 05, 2011, 09:37:02 PM
Man, that Lakers loss *almost* makes up for the Celtics taking it in the ass. :bow these playoffs :bow2

The crazy thing is that we haven't even had a game 7. Every series and every game remains compelling anyway.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 06, 2011, 12:40:02 AM
The funny thing is that if you ask most people who has the better chance of winning their series between the Celtics and the Lakers, most people would say the Lakers even though historically they are in the far worse position since they lost their home games and the Celtics haven't lost any home games yet.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 06, 2011, 12:51:18 AM
I feel like the Celtics gave a closer approximation of their best games than the Lakers did though. And we know that Dallas can fold after being 2 up in a series. (ok, ancient history but still...)

I basically hate the Celtics' bench now. None of them are any good. Big Baby was great most of the year but has sucked for several months for some reason. He can't finish plays. Everyone else has that fear in their eyes. Granted, the Heat's bench is ghastly too, but they don't have to do a whole lot. I'm glad Shaq is coming back but he would have to be in mid-season form and give them at least 20 mins a game from here on to really make a difference. It's basically all on Rondo to step up, because he's the one unstoppable weapon the Heat have no answer for. We haven't seen Rondo's best yet, not remotely.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on May 06, 2011, 05:41:29 AM
Playoffs are bananers so far.  Didn't expect the West to be quite this volatile.

I do find myself rooting for the Celts to at least make it a series.  Don't mind the Heat as much as a lot of people do, since my browsing and viewing habits have kept me away from a lot of the hype.  Honestly, DRose sycophants have been way more annoying than anything else this year, including Bill Simmons' ridiculous campaign to diminish Dwight Howard's accomplishments by pointing out that he's not Young Shaq.

Still, can't hate on the man himself.  Rose totally reminds me of Iverson, carrying the whole offense like AI did for those defense-minded Larry Brown Sixers teams.  Speaking of which, wouldn't be shocked to see Thibodeau move on in a couple years.  Defensive taskmasters like him, Brown, and Scott Skiles seem to have a limited time before their teams get sick of them, or vice versa.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Ganhyun on May 06, 2011, 01:27:19 PM
Still hoping for the Hawks to at least advance another round.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 06, 2011, 07:32:20 PM
Story of the point guards so far.  Teague and Rose are lighting it up so far.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 06, 2011, 08:58:20 PM
I knew that first game was a hawks fluke.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 06, 2011, 09:59:26 PM
Dirk's already scored 11 points with 4 minutes to go in the FIRST QUARTER! :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 06, 2011, 10:16:04 PM
Dallas is a scary three-point shooting team.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 06, 2011, 10:46:54 PM
Mavericks down by 5 at halftime. This is the game to slit the Lakers throats. If they don't do it tonight, that choking feeling pressure will be immense.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2011, 11:17:53 PM
Yup. If the Mavs lose tonight they're almost guaranteed to lose game 4, given their choke history.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 06, 2011, 11:25:26 PM
Gasol is fucking mailing it in, it's incredibly how terribly he's playing.  Even Jackson looks to be admitting right now.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 06, 2011, 11:27:29 PM
Mavs taken a lot of 3's. They've already taken 20. Not sure that's the way to win this game.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 06, 2011, 11:31:50 PM
They were hitting them early, but they need to get the ball back to Dirk.  Kidd and Chandler are getting the ball too much.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 06, 2011, 11:41:31 PM
They are not playing good defense. The Lakers are pounding it inside and scoring nearly everytime. Bynum is killing them with his rebounding and scoring. It will take a huge change of pace for them to win this game.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 06, 2011, 11:49:16 PM
They would be stupid to take Bynum out right now.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2011, 11:55:31 PM
Pretty sure I could beat Kidd in a 3 point challenge
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 06, 2011, 11:57:13 PM
It will be sad if the mavs lose this one. They've played hard.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 06, 2011, 11:59:11 PM
Damn this game is fun.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 07, 2011, 12:01:01 AM
Did anyone see Gasol get hit in the back with the ball a few possessions ago?  :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 07, 2011, 12:02:10 AM
Dallas 12 of 29 from 3 point range. I have to admit the three's have got them back in it this quarter.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 07, 2011, 12:03:16 AM
jesus 11-28  :lol

the amount of attempts is crazy
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 07, 2011, 12:03:50 AM
Amazing 4th quarter
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 07, 2011, 12:05:15 AM
Kobe time!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 07, 2011, 12:05:35 AM
Fucking make these Terry

Fuck yeah!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 07, 2011, 12:06:31 AM
Kobe played weak tonight.

and omg a foul  :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 07, 2011, 12:07:58 AM
wow.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 07, 2011, 12:08:14 AM
:rofl
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 07, 2011, 12:08:22 AM
Amazing comeback win for the Mavs. Absolutely amazing.
 :bow2

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 07, 2011, 12:09:58 AM
hahahahahahahahahahahaahah

oh man
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on May 07, 2011, 12:15:47 AM
Oh, shit son.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 07, 2011, 12:17:17 AM
zomg

I haven't been this excited about the Mavs since the first two games of the '06 Finals.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 07, 2011, 12:19:34 AM
that was a great game.  odom, lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 07, 2011, 12:20:26 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 07, 2011, 12:19:34 AM
that was a great game.  odom, lol

Yeah, Odom tipping away the ball sealed the game, although it would have still be really tough to mount a comeback anyway.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 07, 2011, 12:25:14 AM
Pau Gasol is gonna get lynched when they get back to LA.

Kobe from a FG% perspective had a good game but it took him 16 shot attempts to get 17 points. I guarantee the next game Kobe shots over 30 times. And he'd better drive and gets fouls if the Lakers have any hope of winning the next game.

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on May 07, 2011, 12:41:29 AM
It's the cliche about 2-point field goals being deceptively inefficient.  Kobe didn't make any 3's and only got to the line once.  I only watched the last part of the game, but I know earlier in the series Kobe was taking a lot of long jumpers and not getting anywhere near the rim.

Gotta go check my recording of the game.  Seems like they barely got to show replays during that last stretch, and I'd love to see how Dirk made that lefty shot after driving on Gasol.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 07, 2011, 12:44:08 AM
Quote from: Mandark on May 07, 2011, 12:41:29 AM
Seems like they barely got to show replays during that last stretch, and I'd love to see how Dirk made that lefty shot after driving on Gasol.

They showed a replay of it just after the game ended, what an incredible shot.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 07, 2011, 12:53:27 AM
Quote from: Mandark on May 07, 2011, 12:41:29 AM
It's the cliche about 2-point field goals being deceptively inefficient.  Kobe didn't make any 3's and only got to the line once.  I only watched the last part of the game, but I know earlier in the series Kobe was taking a lot of long jumpers and not getting anywhere near the rim.

Gotta go check my recording of the game.  Seems like they barely got to show replays during that last stretch, and I'd love to see how Dirk made that lefty shot after driving on Gasol.

hmmm so you missed the game...
http://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/66721939049299968

I've unveiled your identity
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 07, 2011, 03:46:14 AM
oh what a joyous last 5 mins that was :lol

Kobe bouncing the pass of Gasol's back :lol I could SEE the thought balloon saying 'I'm not passing again in this game' right there.

And sure enough a few mins later he passes up a wide-open Odom under the basket and jacks up an off-balance 20-footer. Such a happy day :lol

And now every other coach in the playoffs is breathing a huge sigh of relief at the prospect of no Lakers front line for the rest of the way. Danny Ainge particularly (even though the Heat will almost certainly take them out, it vindicates his decision to trade Perkins somewhat). The Heat have a GREAT shot at going all the way now.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 07, 2011, 03:58:31 AM
Pretty much.  The Bulls and Hawks have no chance against either the Celtics or Heat, and I honestly can't see any of the West teams being able to deal with the Heat's triple threat.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 07, 2011, 04:09:33 AM
Unless the Celtics have got one hell of a run left in them, it's looking like the Heat for sure. But these playoffs have been so headfuckingly amazing that I hesitate to call anything. I mean, the Hawks and the Grizzlies are still alive while the Spurs are gone and the Lakers are dead in the water. WTF.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 07, 2011, 06:33:54 PM
Grizzlies-Hawks series please
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: etiolate on May 07, 2011, 06:39:55 PM
Grizz-Hawks

A legion of press acting as though they never wrote articles on each team giving contract money to guys who didn't deserve it.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 07, 2011, 07:28:25 PM
These fucking Grizzlies!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 07, 2011, 08:13:13 PM
I missed the game.  :'(

I'll have to download it and watch it.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 07, 2011, 08:16:15 PM
It wasn't pretty, but damn if it wasn't exciting.  Best Gasol and Randolph were great.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: etiolate on May 07, 2011, 08:18:26 PM
Mike Conley doing old school "game manager" PG and out classing neo PG Westbrook.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 07, 2011, 08:31:23 PM
Westbrook was simply awful today.

As expected, the Celtics are bursting in the first period. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 07, 2011, 11:04:14 PM
That's why Rondo is my favorite player to watch, ridiculous :)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Beezy on May 07, 2011, 11:08:14 PM
I can't believe they let him come back in and play. I thought his arm was done.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 07, 2011, 11:16:25 PM
Watching Chris Bosh play just makes me want to bitch slap him.

Also Spoelstra. Why don't you pull your head out of your ass and stop starting Illgauskas and bibby since they always play like crap at the beginning of a game and your team always starts off in a hole.

Taken from ESPN

Quote
The starting unit that includes Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Mike Bibby is now a minus-69 for the postseason.

A complete waste of space as a coach.

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: T234 on May 07, 2011, 11:17:07 PM
I knew Rondo was gonna be a freak when I watched him play at UK.

EDIT: Beezy, I just posted something in the what are you listening to thread that you will probably love.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 07, 2011, 11:27:29 PM
Bill Simmons and Keith Olbermann had a twitter fight earlier today.  :P


sportsguy33Bill Simmons

@keitholbermann You shouldn't tell people how to act. You've burned bridges at 3 different companies. Nobody wants to hear it from you.

@keitholbermann - I should have taken your advice and been so vicious to Suzy Kolber that she locked herself in a bathroom and cried.

It's always funny when this guy questions your taste. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/23/keith-olbermann-apologize_n_434129.html
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 07, 2011, 11:51:16 PM
jesus christ, a turd vs a douche. I dunno which to attack  :'(
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on May 08, 2011, 12:05:34 AM
Two guys without the self-awareness to say "Man, I am much to spend time on this sort of BS."

Anyway, crazy MEM-OKC game.  Durant having real trouble (relatively speaking, of course) dealing with Tony Allen, and if the Thunder were a big-market team we'd be hearing stories about tension between him and Westbrook on every Sportscenter through the whole offseason.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2011, 01:22:50 PM
In a couple of hours maybe the end of the Kobe era.  :P

spoiler (click to show/hide)
The Lakers will win the next two games of this series setting up the all important game 6 in Dallas
[close]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 08, 2011, 02:48:45 PM
The Mavs needs to go all in for this game. No messing around, no going soft. Take this game and be done with the series.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Bacchus7 on May 08, 2011, 04:08:51 PM
Plz sweep.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2011, 04:10:35 PM
Mavs killing it from 3 point range.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2011, 04:13:04 PM
WOW!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: T234 on May 08, 2011, 04:24:02 PM
Lakers getting blown the fuck out holy shit
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2011, 04:30:46 PM
25 point lead by the Mavs

 :bow2
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 08, 2011, 05:05:28 PM
hahahahaha fucking artest
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2011, 05:06:52 PM
Lakers have just given up. They don't give a fuck. They just want to go home.


 :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 08, 2011, 05:08:54 PM
Terry is fucking amazing in this series
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2011, 05:16:18 PM
I'm just dying here laughing my ass off at this shit.  :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2011, 05:16:28 PM
Oh man, time to troll GAF/Lakers Nation
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 08, 2011, 05:24:37 PM
(http://i52.tinypic.com/a2eqrk.jpg)

sums up the game basically.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: etiolate on May 08, 2011, 05:27:12 PM
:lol

Terry

PEJA like he's back in sacto

And Dirk has done all he's needed to while continually getting it to the hot hand when double teamed.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 08, 2011, 05:34:31 PM
lol Odom
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2011, 05:34:35 PM
lol. Cheap shot Lakers.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 08, 2011, 05:36:23 PM
Lakers are imploding. :rofl
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2011, 05:37:17 PM
 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

And for years we had to hear all this shit about Lakers Class.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 08, 2011, 05:37:24 PM
WOW. Lakers exposed as totally thugs. End the game now and just throw the whole team out the building.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 08, 2011, 05:37:29 PM
The Lakers are fucking cheap motherfuckers.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 08, 2011, 05:38:08 PM
WTF, David Stern just needs to end this game now before the Mavs get killed.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Bocsius on May 08, 2011, 05:38:31 PM
I missed what Odom did. Saw what Bynum did. What an idiot.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 08, 2011, 05:39:20 PM
Gotta say, the Phil Jackson/Kobe Bryant/LA Lakers era couldn't have ended any better.

Absolutely roasted. Stick a fork right through 'em.

Quote from: Bocsius on May 08, 2011, 05:38:31 PM
I missed what Odom did. Saw what Bynum did. What an idiot.

Odom ran up and shoved Dirk to the ground, even though Dirk didn't even have the ball.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2011, 05:39:47 PM
Lakers are pathetic
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 08, 2011, 05:41:31 PM
Odom's foul was bad but not necessarily worth getting thrown out of the game, but the refs probably did the right thing by doing it to establish that sort of thing wouldn't happen.  Then Bynum does that.  ugh.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2011, 05:42:05 PM
I'm glad they were both ejected. Bitch ass moves on both part because they are getting punked.

People dissed the Pistons when they just walked off the court back in the day but that's 20x times more classy than anything the Lakers are pulling.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 08, 2011, 05:42:57 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 08, 2011, 05:41:31 PM
Odom's foul was bad but not necessarily worth getting thrown out of the game, but the refs probably did the right thing by doing it to establish that sort of thing wouldn't happen.  Then Bynum does that.  ugh.

Yeah, Odom's hit was kinda cheap, but not horrible. The game's done though, so they just threw him out to settle things down. Bynum though...man. That was totally different.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 08, 2011, 06:01:29 PM
What a wild, incredible series.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 08, 2011, 06:04:59 PM
Wow.

Mavs bench: 81 points
Lakers: 84 points

:rofl
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2011, 06:05:23 PM
Damn it must feel bad embarrassing yourself on national television then going home to Khloe Kardashian
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on May 08, 2011, 06:21:12 PM
This is pretty awesome.  Bought a condolence card for a Lakers fan I know, getting mutual friends to sign it.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2011, 06:31:57 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on May 08, 2011, 06:24:25 PM
What did Odom and Bynum do?  I stopped watching.

They both took cheap shot fouls and got ejected.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on May 08, 2011, 06:32:35 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on May 08, 2011, 06:24:25 PM
What did Odom and Bynum do?  I stopped watching.
[youtube=560,345]xGX1Y6ItxJ0[/youtube]

Prolly get taken down soon.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 08, 2011, 07:12:12 PM
And he still made the shot. And the free throws.

:bow JJ :bow2
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 08, 2011, 07:21:26 PM
[youtube=560,345]QbcjL7AVxMA[/youtube]

[youtube=560,345]VU7RiLERJ-Y[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 08, 2011, 07:27:51 PM
Bynum needs to eat a dick, ugh
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: pilonv1 on May 08, 2011, 08:26:27 PM
lolkers

Mavs are raging favourites now
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on May 08, 2011, 08:30:24 PM
 :lol Lakers

Those bitches are some sore losers.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2011, 09:47:51 PM
God damn pussy.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/news/story?id=6509705


Even if you feel this keep that shit to yourself. All you do is end up looking like an even bigger pussy and getting the opposition to think they can punk you even more. Trade this bitch please.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 08, 2011, 10:08:01 PM
For real.  Then bring in Dwight!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: pilonv1 on May 08, 2011, 10:33:57 PM
Bosh is lucky that Pau being a big girls blouse is taking away the focus on him.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2011, 10:36:33 PM
Good games with the Hawks Bulls here.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2011, 10:41:09 PM
Hawks are gonna win this. They are giving the Bulls all they can handle.

After that great game last game Rose really struggled tonight. 11 of 31 from the field.

edit: just to clarify by win this I meant that game. Not the series.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: pilonv1 on May 08, 2011, 10:53:51 PM
Hawks/Grizz finals pls
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 09, 2011, 12:00:16 AM
just finished watching on League Pass. The Bynum foul REALLY pisses me off, easily one of the worst, most dangerous and most unnecessary fouls I've seen. Phil should have pulled his starters before it got to that point. Carlisle was insane leaving Dirk on that long as well, with a 30pt lead. Bynum was utterly lacking in remorse in the locker room afterward, so I bet he gets a major suspension and fine. Though what does he care, he's 21 and a multi-millionaire. JJ Barea could have broken his neck on the play and never earned another cent in the league but OH WELL, IT IS WHAT IT IS. I hate that phrase. The most pussy-ass non-explanation, non-apology there is.

Overall, a very enjoyable experience though. Not quite on par with Game 6 in 2008, but pretty damn good. Humiliations galore.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: naff on May 09, 2011, 12:55:09 AM
  "There's some shameful shit going on"
 /
/
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Wt_LFf81nIU/Scgug-tyYVI/AAAAAAAAAB4/4-pqBv1OeZ4/s320/Clark+Johnson.jpg)

Fucking Lakers, I've always kinda been a Lakers fan, but this... Shameful
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 09, 2011, 12:58:26 AM
I wonder if Bynum knows he is getting traded (to Orlando for Howard?). May be reading too much into him removing his jersey, but it would explain a lot of the obvious locker room issues if he had gotten hints about that over the past few months. There has obviously been plenty of press speculation as well. He's still a fucking punk though, Barea is twice the man he is at half his size.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2011, 12:58:33 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af2Wo4tfu8A[/youtube]


 :bow2
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 09, 2011, 01:01:28 AM
Magic basically said there will be big trades, no-one is sacred (although unclear if he meant Kobe was on the table). It was very interesting that he was just sitting there nodding along during the rampant speculation about a trade for Howard - Magic is still part owner of the Lakers so that would be VERY close to tampering. He might get zinged for that.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: etiolate on May 09, 2011, 01:11:01 AM
This whole "we'll just trade our scraps for another superstar" mentality is messed up.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 09, 2011, 01:36:10 AM
No-one is talking about SCRAPS.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: etiolate on May 09, 2011, 01:37:56 AM
Pau isn't scrap, but bynum's constantly broken body and old Artest are. Plus, many of the guys they'd be offering would have horrible contracts to take on.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 09, 2011, 01:46:38 AM
Pau, Odom and Bynum is EASILY enough to get a superstar in return, barring cap issues with the new CBA. Orlando is over a barrel, with a brand new arena and the prospect of Howard walking in 2012. It's going to be quite the little poker game.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 09, 2011, 01:55:53 AM
So glad I live in LA.  Can't wait to see the downtrodden looks of Lakers fans tomorrow and for the rest of the summer.  :usavich
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 09, 2011, 01:59:38 AM
Anyway, onward and upward. I guess the Mavs have all the momentum going into the West Finals now, but it's not like they match up that well against either the Grizz or the Thunder. They haven't had to face really top-notch defense yet. But they definitely have a real shot - and how ironic would it be for them to be matched up against the Heat again?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 09, 2011, 02:05:49 AM
Mavs deserve a trophy for shattering the myths about Kobe's clutch powers and the classiness of the Lakers.   

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 07, 2011, 12:05:15 AM
Kobe time!

:rofl

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-tough/2011/05/kobe-bryant-surpasses-michael-jordan-after-dominant-dallas-series.html
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 09, 2011, 02:11:24 AM
'Bryant pulverized the Mavericks for 19 points per game over the last three games of the series.'

:lol

Derek Fisher also didn't look so great. Definitely his last season playing big minutes. He's been coasting on his rep for big playoff shots for a while now.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 09, 2011, 02:23:23 AM
So glad someone finally wiped that arrogant smirk off Kobe's face.  LOL at Kobe expressing joy at the challenge of being down 2-0 and then believing that the Lakers will win 4 straight just 'cuz he still has enough confidence.  Even the typically guillible press were reluctant to write their hagiographic articles about how Kobe should never be counted out because of his overwhelming desire to win. 

Maybe now ESPN will finally fire those Kobe jockers that make up more than 1/2 of their basketball team.  ESPN has been the biggest culprit for the cliches and banality that have plagued basketball discussion in the last few years. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: T-Short on May 09, 2011, 02:25:45 AM
(http://www.abload.de/img/x2_5f6e06ecdni.jpg)

hehe. are you wearing this, Cormac
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on May 09, 2011, 02:31:17 AM
Completely self-centered, adolescent behavior by Bynum.  Also a good example of why teammates shouldn't encourage (http://dimemag.com/2011/03/kobe-bryant-on-andrew-bynums-flagrant-foul-im-proud-of-him/) this shit or equate it with competitive spirit.

Still, in basketball terms he ain't scrap.  He's 23, the league's second or third best center, and a key part of two championship teams.  He'll be the best chip Orlando can get in return if Dwight wants out, barring some crazy Westbrook/Perkins for Howard/Nelson type offer.



PS Charles Barkley is goddam Nostradamus this year.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 09, 2011, 02:32:12 AM
:lol @Hyoushi

I'm actually a huge LeBron fan (haven't made any secret of that ITT) but yeah, he is the enemy. West certainly carries some deep psychological scars. I wonder if he is prepared to take one for the team and go for Mommy Wade as well. And oh the comedy if they had played on Mother's Day :rofl
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 09, 2011, 02:35:26 AM
The way Pau was playing, you gotta wonder if a teammate is banging his mom too.

Quote from: Mandark on May 09, 2011, 02:31:17 AM

PS Charles Barkley is goddam Nostradamus this year.

Charles and Kenny ripping on Bynum for not having a hot enough bod to take his shirt off was pretty funny. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 09, 2011, 02:40:27 AM
Should Jason Terry be pissed at missing the chance to break the playoffs 3pt record, btw? He had a whole quarter left and he was basically a human fireball at the point where Carlisle took him out. He could have shattered it!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 09, 2011, 02:42:45 AM
I was mad that Terry didn't get to run it up to a 50 pt win but seeing how the Lakers react to losing badly, Carlisle probably made the right choice. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 09, 2011, 02:45:19 AM
It wasn't like the Mavs stopped bombing though. Peja in particular just kept on killing.

I must say, it's pretty scary to think that the Mavs don't even use Dirk Freakin' Nowitzki as a 3 point shooter recently. Basically one of the greatest outside shooters ever, and they don't even need him to play that role.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 09, 2011, 02:56:12 AM
Dallas' bench scored 86 tonight, btw. what the fuck :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on May 09, 2011, 03:06:40 AM
Playoffs are bananers this year.

Would kinda like to see Dallas win over the Heat, get revenge and the first rings for a bunch of 2005 all-stars.  Expect the WCF to be more competitive than this was, though.  I mean, how could it not be?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 09, 2011, 03:15:15 AM
I'm thinking maybe the Grizz will finish off OKC (unless Westbrook grows up real fast), then take the third straight game 1 on the road against the Mavs. From that point, it will be a WAR.

And the great thing is...crazy as these playoffs are, the better team will win out. Luck just doesn't come into a 7 game series much. The Grizz WERE better than the Spurs. The Mavs WERE better than the Lakers.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: etiolate on May 09, 2011, 04:25:44 AM
In two or three years Bynum will be passed up or equal to guys like Ibaka, Cousins and Hibbert, and still far behind Howard and Pau. Is he even all that much better than Nene now? I just wouldn't want a guy with injury issues who may have already peaked.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 09, 2011, 04:32:51 AM
I think at this point we can legitimately question whether he is a decent human being and has any kind of competitive spirit, but may have already peaked? :lol

Newsflash - Ibaka is not gonna be traded, and Dwight Howard doesn't want to go to OKC, Sacto or Indiana. These are not realistic scenarios, no matter what you might think they're worth. The issues under consideration are:

1) For LA - blowing it up and retooling RIGHT NOW, because their chemistry is clearly fucked and Kobe only has a few yrs left at most;
2) For Orlando - how to get somebody they can build around with some degree of legitimacy, in order to justify that absurd payroll and the glistening new arena

Don't forget that Otis Birdsong just brought on Gilbert 'no knees' Arenas and his 120 million contract. And Arenas is coming off the bench! :lol He would be VERY happy to get Bynum in return, I'd say.

Also, if you think Bynum and DaMarcus Cousins have even comparable trade value, I dunno what to say. Cousins may not even be in the NBA in a few years.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on May 09, 2011, 04:51:11 AM
Quote from: etiolate on May 09, 2011, 04:25:44 AM
Hibbert

...
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: etiolate on May 09, 2011, 05:36:28 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 09, 2011, 04:32:51 AM
I think at this point we can legitimately question whether he is a decent human being and has any kind of competitive spirit, but may have already peaked? :lol

Newsflash - Ibaka is not gonna be traded, and Dwight Howard doesn't want to go to OKC, Sacto or Indiana. These are not realistic scenarios, no matter what you might think they're worth. The issues under consideration are:

1) For LA - blowing it up and retooling RIGHT NOW, because their chemistry is clearly fucked and Kobe only has a few yrs left at most;
2) For Orlando - how to get somebody they can build around with some degree of legitimacy, in order to justify that absurd payroll and the glistening new arena

Don't forget that Otis Birdsong just brought on Gilbert 'no knees' Arenas and his 120 million contract. And Arenas is coming off the bench! :lol He would be VERY happy to get Bynum in return, I'd say.

Also, if you think Bynum and DaMarcus Cousins have even comparable trade value, I dunno what to say. Cousins may not even be in the NBA in a few years.

My point was that Bynum isn't really upper tier. He's second tier, and could easily be caught. He's not that alluring to me, considering his injury history. I wasn't pondering those guys as being traded for Dwight, because of exactly your reason, and your reason is what is messed up about the situation. Orlando is going to get limited returns because of pressure to go to a team like the Lakers when other situations may offer Orlando better prospects and salary relief. LA offers them no salary relief, maybe even more burden.

I think you underestimate Cousins. I was not a fan of his in college, but he's already having his way against a guy like Bynum as a rookie, and once he learns the way of the NBA, he'll get much better. Cousins is a guy who makes mistakes because he tries to do too much, but the flipside is that he thinks he can do those things because he has done them, because he has the ability to do them and sometimes pulls them off. He just needs to learn how to read the defense and know when to use which tool.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 09, 2011, 07:11:58 AM
Orlando is going to get limited returns because the best player in any deal we can imagine involving Dwight Howard wants out (assuming that all these reports are not just bullshit - there are also reports that what he really wants is to bring Chris Paul or Deron Williams to Orlando). And not only does he want OUT, he wants to go to a big market where he can be the center of attention. So yeah, it's unfair, but that limits the teams that will get to the table, just like it did with last summer's free agency.

Assuming that scenario, there is just no way that Orlando is going to get back your hypothetical 'first tier' big man (and it has to be a 'big man'). Apart from their lack of leverage, there IS no other big man on the same level as Dwight Howard, unless MAYBE Amare Stoudemire but I don't think most would take that seriously (Amare also has no knees and only plays one end of the floor). So I take the point that yeah, Bynum is not as valuable as Dwight Howard, but from a purely pragmatic standpoint, that's irrelevant.

I've seen Cousins play plenty, and he is fearsome when engaged. But it is also clear that he is exactly the headcase that he was advertised as, which cuts his trade value in half. I've seen more players overcome injuries than overcome being an idiot. He is exactly on track to be Derek Coleman from what I can see - a perennial heartbreaker who will destroy every team he comes near. Unless he turns it around real fast.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: etiolate on May 09, 2011, 08:14:23 AM
I don't think Orlando is getting another first tier big man, because Dwight may be the only one. They could get a Bynum guy with a better contract and better health, who may still get better. Of course, not with the "I want to play here" scenario. Then again, there might be franchise tags after the lockout and Dwight isn't going anywhere. I can't imagine there won't be some sort of safeguard over what happened this past summer.

Cousins needs to not pout about refs and realize the league is BS, and you just keep dunking until they treat you nice. I think he's a little too open and emotional for today's NBA, but he reminds me of how the NBA used to be before it became status quo to look robotic. The immaturity and voicing of anger is also the same thing that makes him intense and unafraid.

For example, according to rumors (which is all you'll get of what happens), one of DMC's tussles with staff this year was him calling out double standards, a lack of passing and various issues with the team. The reason it was wrong was because he was a rookie, but he was also the only guy willing to point out problems. You kind of want that in a star player, but you worry about it with a young player. It's iffy but not entirely negative.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 09, 2011, 01:08:23 PM
Colin Cowherd is such a moron.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 09, 2011, 02:52:16 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on May 09, 2011, 01:34:46 PM
I hope Peja gets his ring.  I always liked that Sacramento team that was robbed.  One of the best examples of team building.

Also any word on Bynum's fine and suspension?  I hope it's a big one.

e tu, cohen :(
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 09, 2011, 03:15:13 PM
Agree with Kenny and Chuck that Bynum should have kept his jersey on.  Based on his arms, I didn't think that he still had that much body fat.  No Homo. 

(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/4977/bynum.jpg)




Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 09, 2011, 04:32:51 AM
I think at this point we can legitimately question whether he is a decent human being and has any kind of competitive spirit, but may have already peaked? :lol

Newsflash - Ibaka is not gonna be traded, and Dwight Howard doesn't want to go to OKC, Sacto or Indiana. These are not realistic scenarios, no matter what you might think they're worth. The issues under consideration are:

1) For LA - blowing it up and retooling RIGHT NOW, because their chemistry is clearly fucked and Kobe only has a few yrs left at most;
2) For Orlando - how to get somebody they can build around with some degree of legitimacy, in order to justify that absurd payroll and the glistening new arena

Don't forget that Otis Birdsong just brought on Gilbert 'no knees' Arenas and his 120 million contract. And Arenas is coming off the bench! :lol He would be VERY happy to get Bynum in return, I'd say.

Also, if you think Bynum and DaMarcus Cousins have even comparable trade value, I dunno what to say. Cousins may not even be in the NBA in a few years.
Why would any superstar or even just a star want to play in LA?  As long as Kobe is around, any other Laker is only gonna get a small amount of the credit and a highly disproportionate share of the blame. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 09, 2011, 03:19:16 PM
Dwight would fit in LA. Kobe will still be The Man, but Dwight would easily be the most dominant force in most games.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 09, 2011, 03:23:07 PM
Dwight would at least look much better shirtless for Hollywood. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 09, 2011, 07:59:38 PM
I don't think I've seen Bosh even go up for a rebound off of the board.  He's such a fucking pussy.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 09, 2011, 08:55:38 PM
Refs giving the game to Boston atm
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 09, 2011, 09:47:59 PM
anyone got a free link yo
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 09, 2011, 09:54:22 PM
for which game?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on May 09, 2011, 09:59:56 PM
Lebron is a man. Heat to the finals.

Old teams are old.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 09, 2011, 10:28:11 PM
Bosh like a boss
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2011, 11:38:15 PM
Didn't catch the heat celtics game but will torrent it tonight.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 09, 2011, 11:59:13 PM
Hopefully OKC will get their act together.  As much as I would love to piss off pundits of convetional wisdom and the commish, Memphis is just not fun to watch and would make a really shitty finals. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 10, 2011, 12:05:13 AM
whaaaa?  Memphis is fun as shit to watch!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 10, 2011, 12:18:21 AM
That's because you too are a bore.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2011, 12:34:08 AM
Holy fuck. Great game. You are missing some amazing shit if you ain't watching this one.


And personally I don't think Memphis is boring at all.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 10, 2011, 12:34:59 AM
what was that smooth groove

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Yaq6TBhogNc/Tb5kOGETt5I/AAAAAAAAAFU/ovWp2KdCZDA/s640/troll-face-meme.png)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: T234 on May 10, 2011, 12:35:36 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on May 10, 2011, 12:18:21 AM
That's because you too are a bore.

Spoken like a true Laker fan. :smug
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 10, 2011, 12:46:48 AM
gah, fuck.  Memphis needs to drive to try some jumpers, going to the rim isn't working in this OT
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2011, 12:53:20 AM
Terrific game in the drama department. I'll be sad for whichever teams loses it.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 10, 2011, 12:54:28 AM
fffuuuuuu this game is too awesome
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 10, 2011, 12:56:50 AM
WHY WOULD YOU TAKE THE THREE  ASDLKJFHBQOUHSDBF
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2011, 12:57:33 AM
He shouldn't have taken that 3 there.  :(
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 10, 2011, 12:58:05 AM
Boo why would they put Mayo in just to foul out?  Stupid.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2011, 01:01:23 AM
GOTY
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 10, 2011, 01:02:20 AM
this is fucking crazy.  ugliest three ever  :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: T234 on May 10, 2011, 01:02:49 AM
WHOA

Jjasper is somewhere perplexed too
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 10, 2011, 01:03:19 AM
It's gonna hurt having Conley AND Mayo out, though.  They need some people to score out there.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on May 10, 2011, 01:07:59 AM
Collison is not good enough to be committing a dumb technical like that.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 10, 2011, 01:10:22 AM
Memphis' D is gooooood
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2011, 01:16:06 AM
Fuck it. Now I'm rooting for the Grizzlies to make it to the finals. How can you not love this team.

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 10, 2011, 01:19:26 AM
God this game, my dick is hard and I have to write a fucking paper
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 10, 2011, 01:21:55 AM
best rebound sequence ever
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2011, 01:23:38 AM
Game won't end. Triple OT.  :D
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on May 10, 2011, 01:23:51 AM
Goddam, this game.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 10, 2011, 01:25:42 AM
I hate/love this
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 10, 2011, 01:33:39 AM
this game looks about over now.  grizzlies are just way too tired and their key players have fouled out
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2011, 01:34:00 AM
Looks like the thunder have finally got this one. Was a good game though.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: etiolate on May 10, 2011, 01:43:44 AM
FThunder

I quit the game at half because I couldn't stomach the refs. Looks like the fouls caught up to the Grizz.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on May 10, 2011, 02:11:03 AM
Both the players who were DQ'ed did it giving intentional fouls.  Conley sort of had to, but then the coach put in Mayo and had him guard Westbrook in a must-foul situation when he was already sitting on five.  Herp derp.

Great game though.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 10, 2011, 04:45:54 AM
Hooo boy!  Didn't I tell ya Thunder - Grizz would be a cage match! :D

I thought Boston played their asses off on D and did well on O for most of the game, but just got worn down by the Heat's constant pressure and superior athleticism (as Stoney has been expecting). It's a crushing loss as a fan but I can't say it was a terrible one. Rondo was their best shot at winning this series and he is clearly at half-strength now, if that. At least they went down swinging hard, unlike the Lakers. Great game, bad result.

Thunder-Grizz, though WOW :hyper What a fucking game!

This reminds me of Bulls - Celtics in 2009. After 4 games, we are tied, with the cumulative score at 440-438. If this doesn't go to 7 games, I will be stunned.

Smooth - why might Howard want to go to LA?

- Orlando is going to suck for years now
- LA has won 16 titles and is committed to getting more. I would be shocked if they didn't build a great team for him.
- He's waaaaay younger than Kobe. By the time he is in his prime, Kobe will not be a problem for him anymore.
- In LA, he could be as big as Shaq, with his kid-friendly, OTT personality. I'm sure he would love to do movies. He'd make a ton of extracurricular cash there
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on May 10, 2011, 05:00:00 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 10, 2011, 04:45:54 AM
At least they went down swinging hard, unlike the Lakers.

That's not fair.  Bynum went down swinging very hard.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:teehee
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Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Beezy on May 10, 2011, 11:11:28 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2011, 01:16:06 AM
Fuck it. Now I'm rooting for the Grizzlies to make it to the finals. How can you not love this team.
Seriously. They're the most fun team to watch in these playoffs.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 10, 2011, 08:11:44 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=6522694

Bynum finally showing some remorse now, after losing a whopping $700,000 for that hit. Asshole.

(also from the 'Insult to Injury Dept: as J.A. Adande pointed out, no-one much noticed but Barea made the layup anyway :lol)

Interesting subplot - Caron Butler seems to be more-or-less ready to return for the Mavs (he is apparently dunking in practices now) but the team doesn't seem to want him back! Maybe someone finally noticed what a ball-hog he is.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 10, 2011, 08:55:15 PM
Quote from: Beezy on May 10, 2011, 11:11:28 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2011, 01:16:06 AM
Fuck it. Now I'm rooting for the Grizzlies to make it to the finals. How can you not love this team.
Seriously. They're the most fun team to watch in these playoffs.

:bow men of taste

Let's all get on the Team Grizz bandwagon. My only problem with that is that OKC is my 2nd favorite team left in the playoffs. After that game yesterday, how can you not love BOTH? I mean, as Hollinger pointed out, the Memphis crowd gave a standing ovation to both teams after their own squad LOST. That's some serious love.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 10, 2011, 09:04:21 PM
It was definitely the best basketball I've watched this year.  Stands up to the Celtics-Bulls games a few years back.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 11, 2011, 06:59:06 PM
End of another dynasty possible tonight. Celtics and Heat game starting now.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 11, 2011, 08:45:18 PM
They are backing off Rondo like 10 feet because he can't shoot.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 11, 2011, 09:21:12 PM
Celtics bench playing really well.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 11, 2011, 09:25:49 PM
Big shots by the heat in the clutch
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 11, 2011, 09:31:20 PM
It's over. Lebron with the dagger closing out the celts from beyond the arc.


Boston played well. Rondo being hurt just killed them eventually in this series.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 11, 2011, 09:42:47 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on May 11, 2011, 09:38:06 PM
Bland, forgettable series.  Who said 7 games?

lots of people. But Rondo got hurt which lessened the chances of that.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 11, 2011, 11:20:59 PM
OKC's stepping it up finally, they just have to keep the pressure on and not throw this away in the fourth.

Up by 19 at the end of the third.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 11, 2011, 11:36:35 PM
:bow Heat :bow2
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 11, 2011, 11:46:33 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 11, 2011, 11:36:35 PM
:bow Heat :bow2

Lebron and Wade were bad ass.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 11, 2011, 11:47:05 PM
OKC has just totally smothered the Memphis offense in this game, less than 60 points with 7 minutes to go.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Beezy on May 12, 2011, 12:33:43 AM
I really hope the Grizzlies can take game 6.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: etiolate on May 12, 2011, 12:59:43 AM
Hope the Grizz can come back. I'm not watching Thunder/Heat.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 12, 2011, 02:03:52 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 11, 2011, 11:47:05 PM
OKC has just totally smothered the Memphis offense in this game, less than 60 points with 7 minutes to go.

True to an extent, but Memphis just looks tired to me. They basically lost twice in Game 4.

Cohen clearly has no eye for defense. Heat - Celtics was some of the most amazing defense I've ever seen, especially in light of their respective offensive capabilities against lesser defences. Amazing games.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 12, 2011, 04:04:47 PM
I hope we see this next series

(http://i55.tinypic.com/xm1tfp.gif)

:rofl
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 12, 2011, 04:08:15 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2011, 04:08:31 PM
Derrick Rose is great but the Bulls offense has really devolved in the playoffs into 1 on 5.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Beezy on May 12, 2011, 04:24:26 PM
Bosh :rofl
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 12, 2011, 06:11:28 PM
I love seeing slow-mo clips of blatantly-obvious flopping.  :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Beezy on May 12, 2011, 10:37:36 PM
:punch Heat vs. Bulls ECF :punch
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2011, 10:42:22 PM
Should be a good series. honestly not sure who will win it.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 13, 2011, 12:00:10 AM
Also for what its worth the Heat never beat the Bulls this season. I think this series is all about the first two games. If the Bulls win the first two games its over. They [Heat] are not a team that will respond well to being down in a series 0-2 imo. I believe they are frontrunners and get their confidence from jumping out ahead or at least splitting the first two games.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 13, 2011, 01:05:17 AM
huh. I would have been with you a few weeks ago Stoney (I probably said as much...) but I think the Heat will win it handily now. In fact, I'd say they are the overwhelming favorites to win it all now, and my interest in the playoffs has dipped quite a bit since Game 4 of Heat - Celtics.

The Heat defense is ridiculous, especially when Spoelstra plays smart and plays Chalmers and Anthony big minutes (Bibby and Ilgauskas were the best players for the Celtics in that series...). There is just no way that the Bulls can contain the Heat better than the Heat can contain the Bulls. It might only go 5 games, I think.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 13, 2011, 01:15:29 AM
Predictions are always tough so who honestly knows what will happen.


What I will say is that I think Derrick Rose presents a rondo-like problem but much worse for the heat. The argument against that of course is that the rest of bulls aren't remotely up to the quality of garnett, pierce, or ray allen which I agree with. Are they gonna make the shots when he kicks it to them on his drives. Not sure. I still think they play equally as good a defense as the heat though.

My prediction is heat in 6 or 7. I just don't think they will roll over this bulls team easily. Especially with the bulls having home court advantage. If they do, then they are a lot better than I thought they were which I would be happy to see but that's not my current opinion of them. I think this series will be a grind.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 13, 2011, 01:27:06 AM
I agree that Rose is a Rondo-like problem. But LeBron and Wade are Lebron-like and Wade-like problems, respectively. Both are better players on both ends of the floor than Rose is (at this point in his career anyway). If they play Korver on Wade, it will be nuclear armageddon. If they don't, that leaves Deng as the best shooter for Rose, which is ok but not great. Boozer has been pretty terrible on both ends....the more minutes he plays, the more I like the Heat's chances.

Overall, they're a tough out but there is no way I see them beating the Heat now. Home court might stretch it to 6, but my gut say 5.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 13, 2011, 02:09:43 AM
...although Boozer would good tonight. Not clear if that means he's all better now though.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: etiolate on May 13, 2011, 02:14:29 AM
Heat will be the weakest frontline Boozer's faced in the playoffs.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 13, 2011, 02:16:18 AM
Maybe its the match-ups or the turf toe but Boozer has played god damn awful in these playoffs. Much worse than Bosh. Whichever of those two actually shows up will be a big deal.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 13, 2011, 02:17:50 AM
The Heat has survived Elton Brand and Kevin Garnett though. I doubt that match-up will be a major advantage for the Bulls.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 13, 2011, 02:18:28 AM
Taj Gibson has honestly been far better and worthy of more playing time.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 13, 2011, 02:24:05 AM
I'm not entirely sure, to be honest.  The bulls have not proved to me that they are a playoff-ready team, despite the fact that they've gotten through the first two rounds against two pretty average teams.  I don't know...I think the Bulls defense is great, but two teams with smothering D...I'll chose the team with the stronger offense to break free and get the important points.  And I think the Heat have the scorers to do so: LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Chalmers, Anthony, and Jones.  Who do the Bulls have, really, for scoring?  Rose, Noah, and Deng?  I pick the Heat in 6.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on May 13, 2011, 02:24:36 AM
The Pacers forwards aren't the most intimidating group, and Boozer didn't eat them up.  It might be the turf toe, but so far he's going totally Mo Williams this playoffs.

Chicago's struck me all year as regular season overachievers who kept up the intensity so much that they don't really have an extra gear for the playoffs.  I could be wrong, but they really seem like a better version of a Scott Skiles team.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 13, 2011, 02:29:10 AM
The thing is Boozer's had good playoffs before this.


http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/1703/seasontype/3/carlos-boozer

Which leads me to believe his injury is really bothering him based on his huge decline.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on May 13, 2011, 02:32:00 AM
Yeah, but the point's moot.  Either way he's not likely to explode in the conference finals.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 13, 2011, 02:32:48 AM
Yeah, I think if Boozer's healthy, these playoffs are a different story–this round, at least.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 13, 2011, 02:35:44 AM
Well since I'm rooting for the Heat I hope his feet fall completely off and he has another terrible series.  :P

I'm hoping this is the real finals with the Bulls versus the Heat. Because I don't think the Grizzlies are gonna advance and the Mavs and the Thunder don't really play the exceptional kind of defense that I think its gonna take to win the title.  (Although the mavs in general scare me a little more for some reason) So I think the Heat will have an easier time with those teams.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: etiolate on May 13, 2011, 02:41:58 AM
The Bulls should exploit whoever Bibby is guarding when he's on the floor. Does Bogans have enough of a game to do that? I figure that Wade will cover Rose.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 13, 2011, 02:45:03 AM
I think the Grizzlies could win tomorrow but I think the Thunder are gonna win that series.

Mavericks, Thunder could be an amazing offensive playoff series.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on May 13, 2011, 02:45:52 AM
Bogans vs. Bibby would be the stoppable force vs. the movable object.

Really hope the Grizz take it to game 7.  Wouldn't mind either team making the WCF, but I'd hate to think that awesome game 4 just broke their spirit.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 13, 2011, 03:02:52 AM
Yeahh, I'd hate the Grizzlies to go out like chumps after that amazing game 4.  I think they'll play well at home since the Memphis crowd is so great.  I really want Memphis to win, but I'll be good with the Thunder because I love Durant.  I hope its Heat-Mavs though, simply for the press of it all.  Lebron/Wade vs. Nowitzki and Chandler...man I love the stories with that,
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 13, 2011, 03:15:04 AM
Quote from: etiolate on May 13, 2011, 02:41:58 AM
The Bulls should exploit whoever Bibby is guarding when he's on the floor. Does Bogans have enough of a game to do that? I figure that Wade will cover Rose.

If Spoelstra plays Bibby another second this year, he should be sacked. I am deadly serious.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 13, 2011, 03:16:17 AM
I am chatting with Bethlehem Shoals from freedarko on twitter now btw. I am such a fanboy for Free Darko, reading their 2nd book now actually.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 13, 2011, 03:24:40 AM
It just feels to me that the biggest questions of these playoffs have already been answered.

- does the Spurs regular season dominance mean they are back as contenders? (resounding no)
- are the Lakers just waiting to flip the switch? (no...unless they're waiting 'til next season :lol)
- are the Heat capable of playing together and not getting rattled in crunch time? (MASSIVE YES)

That'll be the Big 3 stories when we look back at these playoffs, and I bet the Heat's winning it all will put the last one to the fore, historically.

We've seen a lot of other entertaining stories which should fuel my obsessions next season, but probably won't affect the rest of this season too much. It's been a great ride, but I expect the shocks to tail off sharply from here.

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on May 13, 2011, 03:34:28 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 13, 2011, 03:16:17 AM
I am chatting with Bethlehem Shoals from freedarko on twitter now btw. I am such a fanboy for Free Darko, reading their 2nd book now actually.

Tell him to bring back Quotemonger!

I think there will be another big story if someone other than the Heat wins at this point (especially OKC or CHI).  Next season we get "how legit are the Grizz?"  I'd love to see this core keep going for a few more years, but I'm worried about a 2006 Clippers situation.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 13, 2011, 03:46:21 AM
Well, yeah, it would be a big story IF someone beats the Heat now. Because everyone with two eyes in their head now expects them to win.

The Grizz would be set were it not for Gasol being able to opt out. He's earned himself a shitload of cash in the past few weeks. I'm not sold on Conley but he just has to not kill them, really.

Have you read the Free Darko books, Mandark? They are really something.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 13, 2011, 04:11:25 AM
epic troll  :lol

'The Heat barely knocked off a Celtics team led by a one-armed point guard. Miami needed overtime Monday night and a 10-point, late-game eruption from James on Wednesday night to hold off an injury-riddled and worn Celtics squad'

and yet:
'We’ve never seen anything like the pairing of James and Wade. It’s better than Jordan and Pippen.'

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/LeBron-James-Dwyane-Wade-Chris-Bosh-Miami-Heat-are-no-match-for-Derrick-Rose-Chicago-Bulls-051211
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on May 13, 2011, 09:09:38 AM
Has anyone been more clutch since Jordan than Lebron James?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 13, 2011, 11:19:00 PM
Memphis look like they will force a game 7.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on May 13, 2011, 11:19:55 PM
Aw shit, Zach Randolph getting into one of those grooves again...
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Beezy on May 14, 2011, 12:25:38 AM
Can't wait until Sunday.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: T234 on May 15, 2011, 03:27:32 PM
Okc-Grizz here in a few.

GO GRIZZ
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2011, 03:43:00 PM
Grizz defense giving Durant fits. He has to have at least a decent game for them to win this.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: etiolate on May 15, 2011, 04:54:20 PM
Grizz missing a lot of makeable shots. Can be good or bad, considering how ugly their first half was and they're still in the game. Either they correct their shooting and this goes down to the wire, or they keep bricking and this is probably a blowout.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2011, 05:16:37 PM
Durant is how now. Not a good sign for the Grizz
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2011, 05:25:06 PM
Thunder killing it from 3 point range.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2011, 05:52:12 PM
Gotta give credit to the thunder. Everybody who needed to stepped up and crushed it.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 15, 2011, 05:56:28 PM
I was hoping the Thunder would step up on their home court and they've done just that.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: etiolate on May 15, 2011, 06:04:33 PM
Harden was crazy. Wonder if Westbrook will be able to defer like this for more than one game.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mr. Gundam on May 15, 2011, 07:37:48 PM
Go Dallas. Fuck 'em hard.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2011, 09:04:38 PM
Heat getting killed on the offensive boards.

Spoelstra you might wanna do something about that line-up wise you jackass.



(http://i56.tinypic.com/2v0ogap.jpg)

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2011, 09:52:44 PM
So far this game is exactly why I think this will be a 6 or 7 game series and Chicago has a real chance. Miami is getting nothing easy. They are getting killed on the offensive boards. And they aren't going to win this first game I don't think. Spolestra is making no adjustment from what I see.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2011, 10:04:33 PM
It's over. Bulls crushed tonight. Their defense is stifling.

If the Heat lose the next one they are in big trouble. Hell after the way this first game has gone down I  kinda think they are in trouble anyway. We'll see.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2011, 10:28:41 PM
Bosh was the only Heat who had a good game tonight. Wade and Lebron both were terrible.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 16, 2011, 01:11:53 AM
The Dallas-OKC series presents an interesting dynamic. On the one hand, you have the young up-and-coming kids looking to prove that they're legitimate contenders and on the the other you have the aging veterans trying to win their first ring as their window of opportunity rapidly closes. It'll be really interesting to see how that plays out in the series.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 16, 2011, 01:24:22 AM
Chicago pushed Miami around all game. Bosh had 30 points but had little effect on the other side of the ball; Gibson and Boozer really did as they pleased. I kinda feel like Haslem would be a better body down low against those two, if not for the injury.

Wade and LeBron aren't going to struggle like that through the series, but Deng and the Chicago defense is clearly going to make them work for everything.

Noah was EVERYWHERE. I didn't know he took 14 shots until I saw the box score though; seemed like he was simply getting a butt load of rebounds, that big block, hustle plays, and some dunks here and there. I really didn't expect his scrappy play to carry into the NBA; honestly I thought he'd turn into some priveledge expecting bum. But dude is a baller.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 16, 2011, 02:14:12 AM
bit LTTP on Noah there, PD. He's been playing like this for a good 3 years. He's one of the most coveted big men in the whole league.

Well, I may have to eat some crow here :lol

I thought the Heat's D was at least as good as Chicago's but the Bulls definitely looked stronger. It was like watching waves break against a cliff. Everything just got thrown back at the Heat, or picked off by the Bulls. I knew they would play balls-out but I wasn't expecting it to work this well on LeBron and Wade. Possibly there is some emotional hangover after finally beating the Celtics that is affecting those two, but if so, they deserve the loss. I'm not expecting the Bulls to score that many easy baskets going forward, but you never know. Their offense really feeds off the D, and I'm betting it feels REALLY GOOD saying no to LeBron and D-Wade :lol

Shame about the Grizz but Durant and Westbrook figured them out at last, it seems. Still, they made an incredible run for an 8th seed and I'll be back on their bandwagon next season for sure.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on May 16, 2011, 02:23:15 AM
I think Westbrook was catching a bit too much flak as the series went on, and I say this as someone who was worried by his shot selection and body language in the Denver series.  Yeah, he has those possessions where he decides to shoot right from the start, but even when he was looking for Durant the Grizz were doing a great job of denying that pass or at least forcing Durant to receive way away from the basket or his comfort zones.

It's something he maybe hasn't dealt with that much in his career.  As great a scorer as he is, in the NBA regular season teams usually won't go so all-out to keep the ball away from one player.  Seemed to have it figured out by the last game though.

Missed most of MIA-CHI.  Looking forward to watching the rest.  Might be one of those series that comes down to whether the Heat's no-names can convert 3's, or maybe it's just a matter of Wade and LeBron trying to bludgeon their way through a series of 83-78 games.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 16, 2011, 02:53:21 AM
19 offensive rebounds for the Bulls. Those are Rodman numbers.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 16, 2011, 08:39:11 AM
It's very easy to over-react to one game especially a home game but the Bulls just seem to be the team built to handle the heat. And this is a bit of an easier conclusion to come to since they've now beaten the heat 4 times in a row this year.

This is the one series where just being more athletic isn't going to win them the series. And how shitty their half court offense can be is going to be exposed if they can't get lots of turnovers and fast break points in easy transition.

It also doesn't help that I think Spoelstra sucks and will get out coached this series. Dude never reacts to what is going on in the flow of a game and takes way too long to react over the course of several games to correct issues. That's not going to work in this series

I stand by what I said earlier. If the Bulls win the next game, the Heat are in massive trouble. They don't show a toughness when things go wrong.

The only real positive thing the Heat could take away from that first game is that the Bulls were unusually hot hitting perimeter shots and that should even up as the series continues.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 16, 2011, 08:39:53 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 16, 2011, 02:23:15 AM
I think Westbrook was catching a bit too much flak as the series went on, and I say this as someone who was worried by his shot selection and body language in the Denver series.  Yeah, he has those possessions where he decides to shoot right from the start, but even when he was looking for Durant the Grizz were doing a great job of denying that pass or at least forcing Durant to receive way away from the basket or his comfort zones.

It's something he maybe hasn't dealt with that much in his career.  As great a scorer as he is, in the NBA regular season teams usually won't go so all-out to keep the ball away from one player.  Seemed to have it figured out by the last game though.

Missed most of MIA-CHI.  Looking forward to watching the rest.  Might be one of those series that comes down to whether the Heat's no-names can convert 3's, or maybe it's just a matter of Wade and LeBron trying to bludgeon their way through a series of 83-78 games.

There is a lot of truth there about Durant-Westbrook. Durant was letting himself get pushed away from his spots, so there was often little point in Westbrook passing to him. In Game 7, he was a lot more mobile. Durant is really a 7ft Reggie Miller in many ways. Needs to spend a lot of time cutting off screens to be successful. Either that or lift big weights.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 17, 2011, 01:52:43 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmN-MIbvLks&hd=1[/youtube]
(http://i.imgur.com/SEjpk.jpg)

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on May 17, 2011, 02:41:47 PM
I saw that yesterday and the first word to come to my mind was "Filthy".
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2011, 08:29:33 PM
Yeah, and it's worth remembering that at 6'3'' or so, Wade blocks those shots regularly.

It's interesting that Gibson is blooming as an offensive player a bit, 'cause he brings so much else to the table. It's not clear to me that this is going to continue, but if it does, the Bulls will have a real player on their hands.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 17, 2011, 08:57:11 PM
Stern just gave the Cavs the 1st and 4th pick in the lottery in compensation for Lebron  ;)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2011, 09:04:16 PM
so, who have you got in Thunder-Mavs? I don't even know who has home court in this one - Thunder?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 17, 2011, 09:04:19 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 17, 2011, 08:57:11 PM
Stern just gave the Cavs the 1st and 4th pick in the lottery in compensation for Lebron  ;)

(http://tinyurl.com/6xqkc6w)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 17, 2011, 09:10:12 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2011, 09:04:16 PM
so, who have you got in Thunder-Mavs? I don't even know who has home court in this one - Thunder?
The mavs have homecourt.

I legit don't know. I think they both are capable of winning this series. If I was a betting man I would probably go with Dallas but I don't really have any concrete reasons for that. I mean I could come up with some but I think the Thunder equally have some advantages on their side (youth and quickness being the two primary ones). I do really like what Tyson Chandler brings to the Mavs on defense.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2011, 09:12:54 PM
I liked Tas Melas' tweet (the guy from the Basketball Jones) -

'No-one can stop Kevin Durant. No-one can stop Dirk Nowitzki. No-one can win the Western Conference Finals' :lol

I mean, the way basketball writers approach this is like the Buttered Cat Paradox. Everything is uber-simplified to make a story that newbs can pick up on from the headline. But it makes no sense whatsoever. No superstar is ever stopped. Team defense is far more important than individual defense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buttered_cat_paradox
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2011, 09:21:01 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 17, 2011, 08:57:11 PM
Stern just gave the Cavs the 1st and 4th pick in the lottery in compensation for Lebron  ;)

this year's draft sounds absolutely horrendous. It really sounds like paying any of these guys will be a financial burden.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 17, 2011, 09:23:49 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2011, 09:21:01 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 17, 2011, 08:57:11 PM
Stern just gave the Cavs the 1st and 4th pick in the lottery in compensation for Lebron  ;)

this year's draft sounds absolutely horrendous. It really sounds like paying any of these guys will be a financial burden.

Yeah I was gonna make the joke that the Cavs are still cursed because they get high draft picks in what most are forecasting as an incredibly weak draft. I'm totally going by the pundits though as I don't really watch much college basketball anymore these days.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 17, 2011, 09:27:35 PM
I'd trade the #1 pick and let someone else draft Kyrie Irving.  At best, he'd be about the level of a Mike Conley, which is not worth a #1. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2011, 09:30:25 PM
Sounds like all the good guys opted to stay in college (4 or 5 of them), which is bizarre given that they could have such a great shot at being #1 or #2 this year, and that next year could have a whole different rookie contract system due to a new CBA.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 17, 2011, 09:38:42 PM
Kyrie Irving is a baller, and is better than John Wall imo. But Duke guards don't translate well in the NBA heh, so we'll see.

I wonder how Derrick Williams will translate

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 17, 2011, 09:55:41 PM
Irving is just average athletically which means he might have a hard time guarding speed devils like Rose or Westbrook.  On offense, his jump shot doesn't seem to be good enough to make up for his lack of explosiveness.  The best thing about Irving is his size but NBA rules make it much harder for a perimeter player to rely on strength. 

Williams seems to have more potential but athletic wingmen are a dime a dozen.  Even if Williams turns out pretty good, he might not ever be top 10 at his position, which is what you'd want for a 1-3 pick.  For a draft like this, I would lean towards drafting whatever is needed for my team instead of drafting the most talented player available. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2011, 09:56:42 PM
Well, I'm sold on John Wall so that sounds like an upgrade for Cleveland vs the bloating corpse of Baron Davis. It sure doesn't look like there are any LeBrons or Durants in this draft though.

Good game so far, looks like we'll see some great Dirk-Durant shootouts in this series :hyper
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2011, 10:01:17 PM
Real talk - has any bench player in these playoffs had more of an impact than JJ Barea?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2011, 11:05:29 PM
:bow Dirk :bow2

This is a Kevin McHale-like bag of tricks he's displaying tonight. Unstoppable.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on May 17, 2011, 11:19:38 PM
Dirk showing the skills that made a bunch of NBA GM's start overrating tall foreigners during the early aughts.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2011, 11:21:36 PM
I don't think I've seen anyone draw fouls on as many different players in a looooong time. And unlike Shaq, he is capitalizing on it.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 17, 2011, 11:23:08 PM
:bow JJ Barea :bow2
:bow Dating supermodels :bow2
:bow Making baskets :bow2
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 17, 2011, 11:25:12 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 17, 2011, 11:19:38 PM
Dirk showing the skills that made a bunch of NBA GM's start overrating tall foreigners during the early aughts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikoloz_Tskitishvili
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2011, 11:32:37 PM
Think Darko really has to be #1 though Stoney
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2011, 11:33:47 PM
well, the rest has certainly been good for the Mavs. Dirk is more unstoppable than Durant. Hell, he is more unstoppable than Galactus.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2011, 11:42:02 PM
that JJ Barea - he just toys with you. You can only hope to contain him.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on May 17, 2011, 11:45:42 PM
Even though "unstoppable" is mostly used as a synonym for "really good", I think Dirk really is the least stoppable player in the league.  Of all the great scorers in the league right now, he seems to be the least affected by whoever's guarding him.

While you can get Jason Collins to mess with Dwight Howard, and Tony Allen was giving Durant some problems yadda yadda, is there anyone who can really stop Dirk from shooting a fadeaway jumper from the elbow that starts from above his damn head?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2011, 11:45:57 PM
Good god - Durant isolated against Barea at the top of the key...Durant drives past him into a crowd :duh
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 17, 2011, 11:46:49 PM
Dirk's going all Wilt Chamberlain on the Thunder! :omg
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2011, 11:48:32 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 17, 2011, 11:45:42 PM
Even though "unstoppable" is mostly used as a synonym for "really good", I think Dirk really is the least stoppable player in the league.  Of all the great scorers in the league right now, he seems to be the least affected by whoever's guarding him.

While you can get Jason Collins to mess with Dwight Howard, and Tony Allen was giving Durant some problems yadda yadda, is there anyone who can really stop Dirk from shooting a fadeaway jumper from the elbow that starts from above his damn head?

Nope. David Robinson might have been able to affect that but of current players, not even Dwight Howard can stop it. The killer is he is also incredible at drawing fouls from that position - witness Harden's dumb foul on him (albeit from closer in...)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 17, 2011, 11:50:52 PM
As I expected it's gonna be a fun offensive series.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 17, 2011, 11:52:23 PM
:bow Western Conference superstar duel :bow2
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2011, 11:58:25 PM
Durant has 40 but who is even noticing with Dirk and Barea lighting it up like this
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 18, 2011, 12:06:06 AM
15 shots. 48 points. Unbelievable.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 18, 2011, 12:07:12 AM
from Kevin Pelton -
Nowitzki fouls drawn: Ibaka 5, Sefolosha 3, Collison/Durant/Westbrook 2, Harden/Perkins 1. 16 total.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 18, 2011, 12:07:58 AM
Dirk almost single-handedly fouled out Ibaka. :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 18, 2011, 12:09:21 AM
more Kevin Pelton -
Fewest shots in a 45-point game in that span was 23 by Jordan vs. Orlando in '96. Dirk took 15.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 18, 2011, 12:15:14 AM
Durant and Westbrook combined for 60 and were still down by 10-plus most of the game. That's...not good for the Thunder.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 18, 2011, 12:49:01 AM
Dirk was in straight beast mode today.  Aside from rebounding, Dirk might be playing the best ball of his life, which is amazing for a 32 yr old big man that runs as much as guards. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 18, 2011, 02:12:03 AM
4 blocks too.

Still, although it felt like total domination, the Mavs didn't really put this away 'til that last Terry 3 with 28 seconds to go. I think this will be a great series.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 18, 2011, 02:13:49 AM
YET :lol

'"I don't think you can make comparisons to me and LeBron," said Irving, who attended the lottery. "One, I'm not 6-8. Two, I'm not a high flyer and three, my name isn't LeBron James. Honestly, you can't make those comparisons yet.'

Also :lol at the Clippers for trading away what turned out to be the #1 pick. For Mo Williams.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on May 18, 2011, 06:27:59 AM
I only just now realized that the Clippers didn't protect that pick at all.

WTF?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: T-Short on May 18, 2011, 06:58:16 AM
Quote from: Mandark on May 18, 2011, 06:27:59 AM
I only just now realized that the Clippers didn't protect that pick at all.

WTF?

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2011/05/17/no-regrets-for-clippers/?ls=iref:nbahpt1 (http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2011/05/17/no-regrets-for-clippers/?ls=iref:nbahpt1)

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“Protecting the pick was never an option,” L.A. general manager Neil Olshey told NBA.com. “There is no way to Monday morning quarterback this (since) our draft position wouldn’t have been the same had we not made the deal as I’m sure we would not have finished 11-11 post-trade without Mo Williams.

“Additionally, we had a 97-percent chance of sitting here tonight with Baron Davis (taking up 25 percent of our cap), the eighth pick in a weak draft and no cap flexibility. Adding Mo Williams and $8.5 million in cap room gave us a better opportunity to become a playoff team next year than adding a seventh player under 23 with no NBA experience.”

 ::)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 18, 2011, 07:38:15 AM
Donald Sterling will shortly announce a statement thoroughly endorsing Olshey and reassuring everyone that he will be the GM for the long haul no doubt  :lol

Ah, it's not THAT bad really: the team runs better with Mo Williams, and Baron was clearly cancerous and despised by Sterling. They got a bunch of cap space that can bring in a better player than whoever they would have gotten at #1. It's just hard to believe they couldn't have gotten it protected for picks 1-3.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2011, 08:33:08 PM
Must win game for the heat imo
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2011, 08:45:05 PM
Already killing them on the boards.

Why isn't spolestra trying Haslem or anybody else to rebound since Bosh and anthony can't.

edit: And Magloire gets inserted. He's fucking awful. Why him?   ::)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2011, 09:06:11 PM
Everything going Chicago's way after one quarter even though they struggled to hit outside shots. Not looking good for the heat.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 18, 2011, 09:15:35 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2011, 08:45:05 PM
Already killing them on the boards.

Why isn't spolestra trying Haslem or anybody else to rebound since Bosh and anthony can't.

edit: And Magloire gets inserted. He's fucking awful. Why him?   ::)

Spoelstra is simultaneously the most stubborn and most panic-stricken coach I've ever seen. I think maybe he wants to make more changes but is terrified of Riley. And his Big Three.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2011, 09:26:01 PM
Chicago is just the better team (with a better coach). I'm just about ready to call this series.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 18, 2011, 09:28:45 PM
Yeahhh if Wade or James don't score like woah, this game seems pretty rough.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 18, 2011, 09:38:14 PM
The Bulls are playing the Heat the way I had hoped Boston would play them. It's ALL uphill for Miami. Huge test for LeBron and Wade here - they need to carry them to a crazy extent to win this.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 18, 2011, 10:14:32 PM
Heat have picked it up quite a bit. Entertaining game.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2011, 10:18:15 PM
Haslem has been playing well. Maybe he could have helped you last game jack ass Spolestra.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 18, 2011, 10:22:57 PM
Why Bibby is EVER on the floor, I have no idea. The Heat's best line-up is clearly some combination of Chalmers, Wade, LeBron, Bosh, Haslem and Anthony. NOBODY ELSE should ever be on the floor barring foul trouble. Literally everyone else kills them.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2011, 10:26:54 PM
One of the other things that is helping the Heat is that the Bulls have come down from their crazy outside shooting in the first game. I knew that was gonna happen.

EDIT: Why the fuck is Magloire playing?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 18, 2011, 10:29:01 PM
Oh yeah, there is no way they were gonna win by 20-plus every game. Not the team that struggled against the freakin' Hawks.

I tell a lie about Bibby's contributions - he did get a rebound a few mins ago. It landed in his hands from behind - he was shocked! :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2011, 10:48:30 PM
Not sure why plays aren't being called for Wade and Lebron. Those two should be the only two guys taking shots this entire fourth quarter. Why don't those two run pick and roll plays together to free each other up either for a drive or a pick and pop.  ::)

I've never seen two superstars on the same team who seem to not be able to complement each other or have lots of plays involving both of them together. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 18, 2011, 11:07:13 PM
Neither is a great pop option though. You know they're gonna roll every time, so it is relatively easy for a help defender to get over and shut the drive off :wag
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2011, 11:08:03 PM
Nice close out for the heat. It wasn't pretty but it was tense and heated. And their defense completely shut down the Bulls and the bulls couldn't hit shit. The bulls seem to go the way of their outside shooting. If its decent they are tough. If not its all Rose on drives and missed jumpers from the outside.

This series is gonna be a slobberknocker.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 18, 2011, 11:08:35 PM
And let me add, if Bibby, Z, Miller etc is on the floor - there will ALWAYS be a help defender to spare ;)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2011, 11:20:27 PM
Chicago scored 10 points in the 4th quarter. They were 4 of 16 from the field in the 4th. Rose missed 4 shots in the 4th. He made no field goals in the 4th.

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 18, 2011, 11:24:03 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2011, 11:20:27 PM
Chicago scored 10 points in the 4th quarter. They were 4 of 12. Rose missed 4 shots in the 4th. He made no field goals in the 4th.

It's the Colin Cowherd Curse. He was basically falling down on his knees, ready to crown Chicago after that first game and bashing Miami over "matchup issues".
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2011, 11:25:36 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 18, 2011, 11:24:03 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2011, 11:20:27 PM
Chicago scored 10 points in the 4th quarter. They were 4 of 12. Rose missed 4 shots in the 4th. He made no field goals in the 4th.

It's the Colin Cowherd Curse. He was basically falling down on his knees, ready to crown Chicago after that first game and bashing Miami over "matchup issues".

I'm a bit guilty of that myself.
 :-[
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on May 18, 2011, 11:43:58 PM
LeBron did too good a job in closing it out.  If he had missed a couple of those, it would have helped Miami's record in close games.  Tsk tsk.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 19, 2011, 01:11:21 AM
Too bad I had to miss the game tonight.  It seemed like an exciting game with lots of high flying stuff, which I love. 

Like y'all, I was pretty sure that Spoelstra was gonna screw things up.  #1 thought on my mind in Game 1 was WTF Bibby in the game.  He's clearly done.  I see guys everyday at the gym that would blow by him easily. 

I used to think that Stoney was too hard on Spoelstra but it's clear that he's just not ready yet for the highest level of basketball. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 19, 2011, 01:54:25 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on May 19, 2011, 01:11:21 AM
Too bad I had to miss the game tonight.  It seemed like an exciting game with lots of high flying stuff, which I love. 

Like y'all, I was pretty sure that Spoelstra was gonna screw things up.  #1 thought on my mind in Game 1 was WTF Bibby in the game.  He's clearly done.  I see guys everyday at the gym that would blow by him easily. 

I used to think that Stoney was too hard on Spoelstra but it's clear that he's just not ready yet for the highest level of basketball. 

It wasn't the most aesthetically pleasing basketball but it was most intense defensive game in all of the playoffs so far. I can enjoy a good defensive game as much as a good offensive one.

My problems with Spoelstra is that if a dumbass like me sitting on the couch is seeing some things then a paid professional coach damn well should be. Why he didn't try to play Haslem in the first game baffles me. Why he tried to play Magloire in these last two games baffles me. Even Big Z would be more useful than him and he's been mostly useless. Of course early in the playoffs Spolestra was starting Big Z (and Bibby) even though it was clear that was a terrible starting lineup because in nearly every single game, they were getting off to incredibly slow starts. All the media was talking about it but he kept doing it game after game until it finally sunk in that it wasn't going to work. I don't understand coaching like that. He justs seems out of his element and scared. Like Cormacaroni said, scared of Riley and scared of the big three and scared of the media and being second guessed. I have to assume Riley sees something which is why he keeps him around (or he is an easy puppet for Riley to work through)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 19, 2011, 02:04:00 AM
I think Riley just don't want people to accuse him of once again screwing over another protege when the talent is good enough to win a championship.  If Riley were to come back, he's going to first let everyone see that Spoelstra is clearly not up to the job, which is gonna be much easier than it was with Stan Van Gundy. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 19, 2011, 02:13:37 AM
Oh, he is totally Riley's creature. I mean, he started out as a video editor, for Christ's sake.

So I envision things like Riley conning Bibby into giving up $6 million to play for the Heat, then Riley basically making Spoelstra the proverbial offer he can't refuse. It probably took all kinds of backstage shenanigans just to get Ilgauskas benched, given that he is LeBron's creature. :yuck

Still, it's a good thing the Heat are semi-crippled by the rest of their roster really. Even an incompetent is going to be able to put together an amazing roster for them over the next couple of years...we should enjoy this competitive basketball while it lasts.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 19, 2011, 02:25:13 AM
Yeah, it is fun to see Wade and Lebron have to play like mad men every game in order to win.  It's like Jordan and Pippen again but several times harder because their styles don't mesh as well and the supporting cast is significantly worse. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 19, 2011, 02:40:43 AM
Yeah, it's interesting how this team is actually closer to early editions of the Bulls than it is Bird-McHale-Parrish or Magic-Kareem-Worthy or even KG-Ray-Pierce. I mean, Bosh has been revealed as no more impactful than Horace Grant (great guy to have around, but not somebody that can carry the team very often...). Spoelstra is no Phil Jackson of course.

The team will look way better once Mike Miller and Haslem are fully healthy again and some of the current murderer's row of incompetents are banished to the end of the bench. If the Heat had Miller as an actual shooting threat right now, their offense would look sooo much better. He isn't even TRYING to shoot.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 19, 2011, 02:45:39 AM
Miller has been a major disappointment.  Guy was supposed to be one of the best 5 shooters in the league and an acceptable defender/rebounder.  What happened to great US white players?   :-\

Haslem was ridiculous though.  It's like the docs gave him cybernetic legs.  I've never seen him jump that high. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 19, 2011, 02:49:17 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on May 19, 2011, 02:45:39 AM
Miller has been a major disappointment.  Guy was supposed to be one of the best 5 shooters in the league and an acceptable defender/rebounder.  What happened to great US white players?   :-\

Haslem was ridiculous though.  It's like the docs gave him cybernetic legs.  I've never seen him jump that high. 

Not to overly defend Miller but he's been fucked up injury wise all year. People say he can't even really honestly shoot with his thumb injuries since it got re-injured when he came back.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 19, 2011, 02:51:38 AM
Yeah, it's obvious he is still hurt. He is an underrated rebounder and passer so they still throw him out there a bit, but he has no value even as a decoy anymore. The scouting report on him probably just reads 'CAN'T SHOOT. WON'T SHOOT' :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on May 19, 2011, 02:59:07 AM
He didn't shoot a ton with the Wizards while he was here, but that seemed more about him thinking "This team is going nowhere, I like playing basketball, why not do some drive-and-kick until I'm on a contender and they're forcing me to take corner 3's again?"
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 19, 2011, 04:06:32 AM
holy shit at the PER! :lol

http://proxy.espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/7424/bibbys-productivity-reaches-all-time-low

9 assists so far in the playoffs! :lol That's a frisky 1st quarter for Rondo.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 19, 2011, 04:10:38 AM
SMH @ Spoelstra

No amount of agressiveness could turn a 1.1 PER guy into an acceptable member of a playoff rotation. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 19, 2011, 08:48:57 AM
I think Bibby plays so much even though he has been terrible simply because the Heat have so few players who can play in the front court or backcourt and handle the ball and take some pressure of Wade or Lebron handling it all the time.


Chalmers played 5 minutes last night and had 3 turnovers and 3 fouls in that time. So the pg position for them often becomes a case of picking your poison.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 19, 2011, 09:19:55 PM
bump?

who ya got today everybody. I think Westbrook rebounds today and it is a really tight game with the Mavs taking it again.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 19, 2011, 09:21:34 PM
I got the Thunder, I can't see Dirk playing that well again.  Besides, last game actually was close for a lot of it.  Thunder!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 19, 2011, 09:51:42 PM
Thunder bench playing great defense at the moment.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 19, 2011, 09:53:27 PM
from Twitter -  FreeDarko
That dunk deserves an assist for JVG's line: "When you dunk like that, you should be allowed to say whatever you want to whoever you want."
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 19, 2011, 09:55:18 PM
haha yeah

Barea beeing pretty good so far
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Beezy on May 19, 2011, 11:02:31 PM
I have no idea who will win this series. I'd like to see Dirk get a ring though.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 19, 2011, 11:35:01 PM
Just started watching at the 5 minute mark of the 4th quarter.  Two huge stops by Collison on Dirk.  I think Dirk just underestimated Collison a little and got careless with the ball. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 20, 2011, 01:25:57 AM
I've surprised myself by rooting for the Mavs. Thunder earned the win tonight though.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on May 20, 2011, 01:37:08 AM
There's nobody on the Mavs I don't like, and I'm a sucker for the "one last big heist before retiring" cliche.  Hell, I own a Brendan Haywood jersey.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Beezy on May 20, 2011, 01:44:09 AM
Quote from: Mandark on May 20, 2011, 01:37:08 AM
There's nobody on the Mavs I don't like, and I'm a sucker for the "one last big heist before retiring" cliche.  Hell, I own a Brendan Haywood jersey.
I don't like anyone dumb enough to get neck or face tats, so you can guess who I don't like...
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 20, 2011, 01:52:38 AM
Yeah, they're an appealing bunch. Chandler is awesome to watch (can you imagine him playing against Noah in a Finals game 7? They'd kill each other), Barea is constantly hilarious, Dirk is like no-one else, Terry is an incredible shooter, and Kidd has the greatest old man game EVER.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 20, 2011, 01:53:11 AM
(what am I saying, 2nd best. Stockton!)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 22, 2011, 02:23:19 AM
Some truly abysmal 3-point shooting really killed OKC tonight. Looked like they were going to take the game in the last few minutes anyway, but they just had too far to go and couldn't quite make it. Game 4 is going to be very interesting, I think.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 22, 2011, 02:30:48 AM
What a confusing series.  I don't know who to take  :(
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 22, 2011, 03:14:49 AM
It's very hard for me to care about the OKC/Dallas series. I just want to get back to the MIA/CHI one
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: etiolate on May 22, 2011, 05:25:31 AM
I think it's the reverse for me. I actually enjoy watching Dallas play.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2011, 08:59:53 AM
I like both series but its very hard for me to believe that either of those two teams out west can beat either of the two teams in the east in a 7 game series.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 22, 2011, 08:24:29 PM
Would you still be thinking that if it was the Lakers and the Spurs in the WCF though? :teehee (rather than the teams that beat them or that beat the teams that beat them...)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 22, 2011, 08:48:02 PM
both teams playing tough defense already, but it makes each offense look terrible  :lol

oh, and when can we start calling travels on drives?  Rose had like a 6 step lay-up without dribbling
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 22, 2011, 10:44:14 PM
Man, who would've thought this would've been the Chris Bosh show?  32 points so far, 5 rebounds.  Earlier he had more than Wade and Lebron combined.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2011, 11:03:45 PM
Miami in good position now to take this series. Looking like Miami Dallas now.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2011, 11:12:22 PM
LOL at the crowd behind them shouting Barkley sucks.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: OptimoPeach on May 23, 2011, 10:07:41 PM
The hell is this DON'T SAY "GAY" NEMORE, OK GUYS commercial I just saw? So embarrassing
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 23, 2011, 11:22:05 PM
Nice game from the Thunder tonight. They aren't going to just be pushed out.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 23, 2011, 11:40:00 PM
Dirk is insane


Terry just blew a two on 1.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 23, 2011, 11:45:32 PM
Insane Dallas comeback here.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 23, 2011, 11:48:07 PM
WOW
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2011, 12:01:11 AM
Crushing loss for the Thunder if they lose this.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 24, 2011, 12:07:06 AM
Series over
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 24, 2011, 12:07:44 AM
game over.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2011, 12:22:20 AM
It was weird. Once harden fouled out their offense just collapsed. They took way too many bad outside shots and didn't drive the ball enough.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 24, 2011, 12:25:19 AM
losing two home games is CRUSHING.  series over.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 24, 2011, 12:26:58 AM
I feel so happy for Malek
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2011, 12:27:29 AM
It better be over for the Mav's sake or they will go down as the biggest choking franchise ever.

Quote
Of the 200 teams that have taken 3-1 leads, only eight failed to win the series.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Beezy on May 24, 2011, 12:28:46 AM
The whole game I expected Dallas to come back until they were down by like 15, but OKC still managed to blow it in the last few minutes. :lol

Dirk is fucking ridiculous though.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on May 24, 2011, 12:49:40 AM
I was just gonna say.  I wish Malek were alive to see this.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2011, 08:59:12 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2011/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=mavericks-thunderG4-110524
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2011, 11:30:06 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C05TMdwJyYo[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 24, 2011, 12:27:53 PM
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t223/mario23407/nowitness.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 24, 2011, 12:31:50 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2011, 11:30:06 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C05TMdwJyYo[/youtube]

Nasty!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 24, 2011, 08:16:21 PM
just finished watching the game on LP. I fell asleep last night with the Thunder up 15 in the 4th...idly turned it back on again while having my morning coffee and then lost my mind :lol

:bow These playoffs :bow2

The Thunder's body language was just horrible for most of the 4th and OT. They took terrible shots, didn't run anything on offense. Another great argument for starting Harden. Why Brooks isn't starting Harden and Collison already, I have no idea - Perkins is killing them, and Sefolosha gives them nothing on offense. Harden is clearly a better playmaker than Westbrook, and he's a great defender too. The epic beard makes you forget but he's only 21 - no reason why he can't play more minutes.

Also bewildering - why the Mavs didn't take it harder at Collison in OT, when he had 5 fouls. If they take him out of the game, it's over. 2 low post possessions for Dirk would probably have done it, then Dirk could have murdered OKC at will from then on. Having said that, Collison worked his ass off but Dirk still had 40. :bow

Not really expecting much from the Bulls today. Rose seems to be withering (har!) under the defensive pressure, and the massive amount of energy he has had to expend so far. But  as always this year, anything could happen.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 24, 2011, 08:42:40 PM
Wade looks like the weakest link on the Heat.  That's so odd.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: WrikaWrek on May 24, 2011, 08:47:06 PM
Wade is in bad form.

Shame really, this would be the time to show up.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2011, 09:24:33 PM
Miami putting the lockdown on.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: WrikaWrek on May 24, 2011, 09:26:20 PM
Well, forget what i said about Wade.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2011, 09:50:51 PM
Good regroup by the bulls. It's an obvious thing to say but they absolutely need this game.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2011, 10:04:36 PM
Mike Bibby is shooting 27% for the playoffs. 25% from 3 point range. 


 :poop

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 24, 2011, 10:07:22 PM
yeah he's terrible.  they need to put in jones
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: bachikarn on May 24, 2011, 10:37:53 PM
lol, Miller going off
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 24, 2011, 10:45:21 PM
miller making shots, wut
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2011, 10:48:15 PM
Wade is just awful tonight.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2011, 10:51:58 PM
LIKE A BOSH!

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 24, 2011, 10:53:18 PM
Wade has been awful the last two games.  It's shocking.

When Miller and Bosh are your scorers after Lebron, that's just sad Wade  :lol

I fucking hate boozer
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2011, 10:54:50 PM
idiots. Why would you inbound to Haslem. Miami doing a lot of stupid shit. Like that rolling ball that no one decided to pick up.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 24, 2011, 10:56:00 PM
and yet the bulls still can't pull away
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 24, 2011, 11:06:50 PM
god wade is TERRIBLE.  give the ball to james or bosh for god sakes
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2011, 11:07:50 PM
He normally recovers himself late in the game but he's just been taking a lot of bad off balance shots.


Terrible miami execution. Dumb foul by lebron. Second time he's been called for pushing off tonight. He had to know they were looking for it.  
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 24, 2011, 11:09:50 PM
lebron  :lol

he had an open bosh.  PASS TO HIM HE'S BEEN GREAT ALL GAME
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 24, 2011, 11:12:47 PM
fitting for this game.  LOVE OVERTIME.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 24, 2011, 11:15:45 PM
WTF is up with wade?  he's playing like a cav trash player.  AWFUL night.  take him out.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2011, 11:17:46 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 24, 2011, 11:15:45 PM
WTF is up with wade?  he's playing like a cav trash player.  AWFUL night.  take him out.

He still plays great D.


LIKE A BOSH!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 24, 2011, 11:19:23 PM
This series really does seem like Bosh's coming out party.  Only took him all season, heh.

The lineup with Haslem, Miller, and the big three should be the starting lineup.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2011, 11:25:38 PM
DAGGER!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 24, 2011, 11:26:48 PM
poor Rose
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2011, 11:29:28 PM
Miami defense is a beast.

Lebron and Wade are beast.
 :bow2
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: OptimoPeach on May 24, 2011, 11:30:02 PM
:lol I'm fucking dying right now. :rofl Bulls :rofl
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 24, 2011, 11:31:38 PM
Alright, Wade manned up at the end.  Good on him.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 24, 2011, 11:34:41 PM
NBA-GAF is hilarious right now.  Crying about refs, crying about Lebron being happy, crying about Miami celebrating.  The bitter tears from them once Miami wins the championship will be delicious.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2011, 11:36:10 PM
Very intense game. Miami has surprised me. I didn't think they would be able to do it in this manner. Especially after that first game.

Heat versus Mavericks. Should be fun.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: OptimoPeach on May 24, 2011, 11:39:09 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 24, 2011, 11:34:41 PM
NBA-GAF is hilarious right now.  Crying about refs, crying about Lebron being happy, crying about Miami celebrating.  The bitter tears from them once Miami wins the championship will be delicious.
YES. I am drowning in tears between GAF, /sp/, and SOHH
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 24, 2011, 11:39:27 PM
Only Dirk can save us now

oh wait you guys want the Heat to win  :-X
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2011, 11:42:36 PM
Derrick Rose is 33 of 91 in this series. 36%
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 24, 2011, 11:43:30 PM
I don't really care if the Heat win or not, but I love to see Lebron do well.  I'd also love to see Dirk win one, too.  I'm really happy that it looks to be those two teams in the finals.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2011, 11:47:16 PM
I'm from Tampa. So I'm allowed to root for the Heat.  :P


That being said I like basketball in general so I'm always fine with whoever makes it. If a team wins they deserve to win. Its that simple for me.

I think Mavs Heat would be entertaining. I would like to see Dirk get a title but then I would also like a Miami win to shove it down the throats of all the haters.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 24, 2011, 11:50:41 PM
It's funny though, in this instance all the haters predicted they'd win. So the haters would still be right?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 24, 2011, 11:51:53 PM
No, haters say shit like this:

Quote
Miami plays terrible basketball. This series was about who played worse, not who played better.

from gaf

:rofl
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2011, 11:54:29 PM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on May 24, 2011, 11:50:41 PM
It's funny though, in this instance all the haters predicted they'd win. So the haters would still be right?

Not Dan Gilbert.  :P

Hey people can root for whoever they want. I just don't like it when they spin everything to create heroes and villains or false narratives. It's sports. Its all about winning. If a player does what it takes to win then he is doing the right thing. Leaving Cleveland was absolutely the right thing. Whether someone liked how he did it or not, well they are entitled to their opinion. If he gets the ring though that's all that matters in my book.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 24, 2011, 11:59:01 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 24, 2011, 11:51:53 PM
No, haters say shit like this:

Quote
Miami plays terrible basketball. This series was about who played worse, not who played better.

from gaf

:rofl

well gaf is distinguished mentally-challenged

oh and you know i'm just bitter he didn't come to the knicks and now they have carmelo instead :-\
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 25, 2011, 12:12:30 AM
I was actually gonna bring that up but I didn't want to be a dick  :lol

It's cool you're going to get CP3 next year, probably.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 25, 2011, 12:28:21 AM
Rose is being exposed hard
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 25, 2011, 12:58:16 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 25, 2011, 12:28:21 AM
Rose is being exposed hard

I don't know that I would say that. He's got great defenders on him and he doesn't have any real knock down shooters to kick to. I think Chicago's offense and how reliant it is solely on him is being exposed which is a different situation. They need to add some pieces on the offensive end to diversify.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 25, 2011, 09:34:01 AM
Lakers gonna hire Mike Brown apparently.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sam_amick/05/25/lakers.coach.brown/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a4&eref=sihp
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on May 25, 2011, 09:38:08 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 25, 2011, 12:28:21 AM
Rose is being exposed hard

Lebron on Rose at the end of the game was really fun to watch. Lebron is like, "you want to win the game, you gotta go through me."

Lebron on Dirk in the finals is gonna be fun.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 25, 2011, 10:14:00 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 25, 2011, 12:28:21 AM
Rose is being exposed hard

Yes, the 22 year old, 3rd year point guard is being exposed by the best player since Jordan, who has 6 inches and 80lbs on him, but still moves like a cat....yeah, right. On top of what Stoney said, the kid has to be freakin' exhausted, for one, and he's performing no worse than LeBron and Wade did LAST year when they were the main guy on a one-man team and ran into the Celtics. In fact, since he got his team to the ECF, he's arguably doing better. LeBron is the better player but that doesn't mean Rose is suddenly garbage.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 25, 2011, 10:16:54 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 25, 2011, 09:34:01 AM
Lakers gonna hire Mike Brown apparently.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sam_amick/05/25/lakers.coach.brown/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a4&eref=sihp

And look at the size of the contract! That has to be a message to Kobe that he has to take Brown somewhat seriously.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 25, 2011, 12:08:03 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 25, 2011, 10:14:00 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 25, 2011, 12:28:21 AM
Rose is being exposed hard

Yes, the 22 year old, 3rd year point guard is being exposed by the best player since Jordan, who has 6 inches and 80lbs on him, but still moves like a cat....yeah, right. On top of what Stoney said, the kid has to be freakin' exhausted, for one, and he's performing no worse than LeBron and Wade did LAST year when they were the main guy on a one-man team and ran into the Celtics. In fact, since he got his team to the ECF, he's arguably doing better. LeBron is the better player but that doesn't mean Rose is suddenly garbage.

eviscerated
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 25, 2011, 04:20:47 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 25, 2011, 09:34:01 AM
Lakers gonna hire Mike Brown apparently.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sam_amick/05/25/lakers.coach.brown/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a4&eref=sihp

Official now.

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=6587752
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Ganhyun on May 25, 2011, 04:26:27 PM
Mike and Mike in the morning was mentioning that if the Heat do win, then they foresee that other stars will start grouping together like that to do what Wade, Bosh, and James did.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 25, 2011, 04:29:14 PM
Quote from: Ganhyun on May 25, 2011, 04:26:27 PM
Mike and Mike in the morning was mentioning that if the Heat do win, then they foresee that other stars will start grouping together like that to do what Wade, Bosh, and James did.

There will be a lockout after the season ends as a new collective bargaining agreement comes in so how player movement will work will be up in the air anyway. There may end up being a franchise tag for example and the cap may/will change and become more hard.

But if players want to play together to increase their chances of victory and aren't breaking any rules in general then I have no problem with it.


Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on May 25, 2011, 04:54:56 PM
Quote from: Ganhyun on May 25, 2011, 04:26:27 PM
Mike and Mike in the morning was mentioning that if the Heat do win, then they foresee that other stars will start grouping together like that to do what Wade, Bosh, and James did.

Like how shaq went to the lakers? Iverson to Cleveland? Garnett and Ray to Boston? Players have been doing this forever. It's not a new thing.

I'm not calling you out, but them.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Ganhyun on May 25, 2011, 04:58:02 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on May 25, 2011, 04:54:56 PM
Quote from: Ganhyun on May 25, 2011, 04:26:27 PM
Mike and Mike in the morning was mentioning that if the Heat do win, then they foresee that other stars will start grouping together like that to do what Wade, Bosh, and James did.

Like how shaq went to the lakers? Iverson to Cleveland? Garnett and Ray to Boston? Players have been doing this forever. It's not a new thing.

I'm not calling you out, but them.

I think they were talking about Howard and a few other of the bigger stars up for free agency. Im not a big basketball fan to be honest so I was kinda tuning this out as background noise on my drive this morning.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 25, 2011, 07:22:47 PM
Iverson went to Cleveland? :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: OptimoPeach on May 25, 2011, 07:30:17 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 25, 2011, 04:20:47 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 25, 2011, 09:34:01 AM
Lakers gonna hire Mike Brown apparently.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sam_amick/05/25/lakers.coach.brown/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a4&eref=sihp

Official now.

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=6587752
The laughs just keep coming
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 25, 2011, 07:32:52 PM
Quote from: OptimoPeach on May 25, 2011, 07:30:17 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 25, 2011, 04:20:47 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 25, 2011, 09:34:01 AM
Lakers gonna hire Mike Brown apparently.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sam_amick/05/25/lakers.coach.brown/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a4&eref=sihp

Official now.

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=6587752
The laughs just keep coming

He's the winningest coach in Cavaliers history, sounds like a good fit.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 25, 2011, 07:36:47 PM
5 years ago Kobe would have been so ecstatic to be freed from the triangle, he'd have been totally on board with this. Now that he isn't so dominant one-on-one, who knows. He might well start freelancing again, but not be very successful with it. Brown obviously has a history of standing on the sidelines helpless as his best player does whatever the hell he wants on offense.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 25, 2011, 11:36:12 PM
Man, the thunder have been awful in this series at closing out games.

Edit: Collapse complete. Wow.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mr. Gundam on May 25, 2011, 11:44:30 PM
Have fun in the off season, OKC.
 :smug :smug :smug :smug :smug :smug :smug :smug :smug :smug
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 25, 2011, 11:51:24 PM
Dirk's numbers for the series.

Pts 32.2 ppg
FG: 56%
FT:97% (59 of 61)

Absolutely amazing offensive performance.


Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Beezy on May 25, 2011, 11:55:48 PM
:bow Dirk :bow2
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: etiolate on May 25, 2011, 11:57:25 PM
REBOUNdZSZ
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 26, 2011, 12:01:40 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 14, 2011, 01:53:21 AM
I'm rooting for the heat mainly to piss off all the haters even though they have issues as a squad.

I also kinda have a soft spot for the Mavs. I want them to do well this post-season.

These playoffs are turning out just how I wanted.

 :smug



Also

(http://i53.tinypic.com/zv1zb9.jpg)

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on May 26, 2011, 02:14:03 AM
Man, that game had some of the best layups.  Both teams were finding cutters, and Westbrook especially had some doozies.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 26, 2011, 02:47:02 AM
I literally lolled when Mike Breen said with Dirk at the line, 'Nowitzki has been to the line 58 times in this series...he has missed two'.

Blistering. I like this Mavs team a lot - I've enjoyed every series they've been in, and damn near every game. I think they still have an uphill struggle to win it, though they would match up pretty well against Miami in quite a few areas. Bench scoring, interior D. Kidd should be fine against Bibby (and Kidd still has an amazing eye for the ball, and great hands. He's aging amazingly well). Marion is a decent option on LeBron. Overall, they stretch the floor far better than anyone the Heat has faced bar the Celtics, and covering their shooters definitely wore them down a bit. That's going to have to be Dallas' gameplan: try to get back at the 3pt line what they give up in transition, and hope Dirk can still score against Miami's D.

(Not totally counting out the Bulls, but it's a real long shot that they will come back - i'd say about 10%)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 26, 2011, 10:24:24 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 26, 2011, 12:01:40 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 14, 2011, 01:53:21 AM
I'm rooting for the heat mainly to piss off all the haters even though they have issues as a squad.

I also kinda have a soft spot for the Mavs. I want them to do well this post-season.

(http://i53.tinypic.com/zv1zb9.jpg)

Deal with it, America!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 26, 2011, 01:03:46 PM
I feel sorry for Mike Brown. Coaching a declining Kobe Bryant will be one of the most frustrating jobs ever.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 26, 2011, 03:55:36 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 26, 2011, 10:24:24 AM
Deal with it, America!


(http://i.imgur.com/U1d9u.jpg)


Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Brehvolution on May 26, 2011, 03:58:53 PM
:rofl
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 26, 2011, 04:24:23 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 26, 2011, 09:26:21 PM
miami playing pretty terrible right now, and wade is STILL showing he can't play against a good defense.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 26, 2011, 10:03:50 PM
It's odd that Wade keeps settling for jump shots. Especially when his shot isn't really working.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 26, 2011, 10:27:10 PM
gaf in "controversy!!!!!!" mode
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 26, 2011, 10:37:27 PM
Wade is 2 of 8. 9 turnovers. What the hell.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 26, 2011, 10:46:17 PM
It's obvious Bosh is the best against the Bulls this series.  They should be feeding him the ball.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 26, 2011, 10:52:56 PM
Lebron is being selfish again.  And Wade is TERRIBLE.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 26, 2011, 10:53:36 PM
Heat have lost this one. I guess they can take consolation in the fact that Wade and Lebron both decided to have their worst games of the year in the same game which seems unlikely to happen in the next. And its a home game.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 26, 2011, 11:07:16 PM
LOL.

Bulls choking this away.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 26, 2011, 11:07:28 PM
HOLY SHIT

Lebron: the real MVP
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 26, 2011, 11:10:20 PM
Bulls


(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Di1HzTLtBlM/R39c-vvq_4I/AAAAAAAACVY/snOwNUNeJnE/s400/universal-choking-sign.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 26, 2011, 11:13:09 PM
This is nearly as bad as the Thunder  :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 26, 2011, 11:13:39 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 26, 2011, 11:13:09 PM
This is nearly as bad as the Thunder  :lol

This is worse imo. The Heat were playing a lot worse than the Mavs were at the time.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 26, 2011, 11:16:13 PM
Just hysterical.  Wow.  This is so fucking funny  :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 26, 2011, 11:19:33 PM
pathetic shit, seriously

lebron is fucking ridiculous, though. dude is the best player on the planet, sorry dirk
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 26, 2011, 11:21:51 PM
Yeah that was stunning. I haven't seen a late game collapse like that since...

Well the funny answer is last night but this just seems so much worse. Maybe because I consider the Thunder really young and I didn't expect them to win the series as much as I thought the bulls had a chance.

Cormacaroni was right and I was wrong. Heat dust the Bulls in 5. It was a closer series than 4-1 indicates but the Bulls just looked a lot worse than I thought they would on offense.

Derrick Rose finishes that series at 35%.

Wade didn't have a great offensive series either shooting 39%.


Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 26, 2011, 11:24:05 PM
(http://i55.tinypic.com/106edki.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 26, 2011, 11:28:03 PM
Quote
I don't know whats worse..

The horrible refereeing against the bulls, leBums acting, the disgusting offense by the bulls to let the cHeat come back into the game with 2 minutes left in the fourth, or roses mvp unclutch freethrow to not tie the game(then going on to miss a three in the dying seconds)....

Stern ball...

Fuck the NBA...

Go Mavs, Go Dirk you're our only hope!! Send the wicked whence it came!!!

oh gaf, never change
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: etiolate on May 26, 2011, 11:58:48 PM
stern ball is BS and pretty ugly to watch

at least the thunder got ousted so I don't have to watch 3 hours of free throws


Halp us Dirk, halp us all
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 27, 2011, 12:15:48 AM
I called Rose being a bust on draft night. Feeling vindicated right now

Good game, epic choke. LeBron is on another planet right now holy shit.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 27, 2011, 12:23:49 AM
stern ball?  come now etoilet, there were fouls called on both teams, and the calls were for the most part correct in this game.  The Bulls were being morons. Enough said.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 27, 2011, 12:26:05 AM
Bulls and Heat were just fighting for second place anyway.  8)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 27, 2011, 02:24:30 AM
God, I just do not know what the Mavericks are going to do against that defense. They better shoot like no team has ever shot before, is all I can say.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on May 27, 2011, 02:27:19 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 27, 2011, 12:15:48 AM
Feeling vindicated right now

Oh really?

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2011, 10:36:42 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 06, 2011, 06:59:24 PM
Spurs, Mavs, Lakers, and possibly the Thunder in the West. Celtics, Heat, Bulls, and maybe the Magic and Hawks in the East.

So, that's six with a real chance and three more with an outside shot.

You seriously think the Thunder and Heat have a chance to win?

Lakers Celtics. Maybe the Bulls. Spurs will be run out by a faster/younger team, Mavs will choke, Dwight Howard will disappear for the Magic, etc.

:teehee

Unfair on my part, and you got the Spurs bang on, but too good to pass up.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 27, 2011, 02:36:41 AM
well played, sir.

(not that it matters but it was more like the Magic disappeared on Dwight Howard, wasn't it)

Alright, Nostradamuses, who ya got in how many games.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on May 27, 2011, 02:55:07 AM
Really would like to see the Mavs win from here, but worried that they might go down in a deceptively close 5 game series.  On the other hand, Miami seems like the sort of team JJ Barea was born to exploit, right?

Whatever happens, I don't wanna hear anyone blather on about whoever loses this series being a bunch of chokers and all that, unless they do something epically embarrassing like Webber calling a timeout that didn't exist in the NCAA tourney.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 27, 2011, 02:59:46 AM
Miami seem like the kind of team Derrick Rose was born to exploit...as has been pounded home to me this playoffs, individual match-ups really don't matter much when the team defense is this strong.

I am rooting for the Mavs as well (LeBron WANTS us to hate him now, I swear), but I don't see them lasting more than 6 games. They will get 6 days of rest though, I think...that has to help. Who has home court? The Heat?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on May 27, 2011, 03:05:36 AM
The Heat by a game.

Miami might have shut down Rose, but they could afford to load up on a single player.  Dallas almost has to score better than Chicago did, but the question is how much (and how many more points they're gonna give up).
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 27, 2011, 03:11:40 AM
and by the way

(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/sports.png)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 27, 2011, 03:15:30 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 27, 2011, 02:24:30 AM
God, I just do not know what the Mavericks are going to do against that defense. They better shoot like no team has ever shot before, is all I can say.

Well, Dirk has that covered, at least.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 27, 2011, 03:26:27 AM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on May 27, 2011, 03:15:30 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 27, 2011, 02:24:30 AM
God, I just do not know what the Mavericks are going to do against that defense. They better shoot like no team has ever shot before, is all I can say.

Well, Dirk has that covered, at least.

An examination of the odds of Dirk shooting like he did in Game 1 again:
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/29569/mavs-in-finals-as-luck-would-have-it

Dirk is shooting great generally, but he isn't going to be setting any records against Miami. No-one is.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 27, 2011, 03:41:26 AM
No fair Mandark, I said I was vindicated about Rose not my other predictions, which were not meant to be factual /kyl

Heat in six!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 27, 2011, 04:00:11 AM
You're not vindicated about Rose in any shape or form, gtfo :lol

He is not the MVP, but he isn't a fucking bust or anything close to it. Are you even watching these playoffs or just reading about them on GAF?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Mandark on May 27, 2011, 04:18:49 AM
Peedee's trollin, trollin, trollin.

I'll admit, I am feeling a little smug about Rose cause I let myself read about a billion badly-argued columns explaining why he was the MVP (while his twin Russell Westbrook gets talked about as trade bait(!!!)) and I'm always down for a bit of pundit comeuppance.  But he's a great player and I'm psyched that I'll get to watch his career as it happens.

Damn this is a good time to be watching professional basketball.



PS That XKCD strip is pure, dead-on annihilation.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 27, 2011, 04:24:51 AM
I was pulling for Rose to get past LeBron a few times in the 4th, I admit. But you have to be realistic about it in the same way that you process say, Iverson losing to Shaq and Kobe. Was he great? Yes. Did he get beat? Yes. Could ANY one player have beat a fairly deep team with those two on it at that point? Probably not.

The Westbrook hatin' is typical Only-show-up-for-the-playoffs sports radio troll bait as well. Anyone who has watched Westbrook the past couple of years knows that his decision making is RADICALLY better than it used to be. He really didn't have a fucking clue about the position, or much of a shot. He has come a long way and he is clearly pointed in the right direction. You don't trade someone like that unless they want out.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 27, 2011, 09:29:44 AM
I'll say Heat in 6 for the Finals.

The Mavericks do present some problems. They have knockdown 3 shooters on their rosters and Miami is very vulnerable to that with the type of defense they play. Dirk has been crazy hot and statistically the best player of these playoffs. And Shawn Marion seems to have found his game and his confidence which has been MIA the last few years. I think Rick Carlisle is a very good coach and leagues beyond Spoelstra. But they are also relatively weak on defense outside of chandler compared to what the Heat have faced.  I can't imagine Kidd being as effective as he was against them as he was with the Thunder. And I think the layoff should help Haslem and maybe Miller get a little more in form to help out.

But honestly it really comes down to Lebron and Wade. These two are just so good they erase a lot of deficiencies. I thought the Heat Index grades on ESPN after game 5 with the bulls hit the nail on the head.

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Star Power
GRADE
A
The Heat were outplayed in nearly every facet. But that can cease to matter when you have two players capable of pouring in 17 points in just more than three and a half minutes. To put things bluntly, this is why the hype existed -- two players came together who are capable of putting a more complete team away on a moment's notice when nothing appears to be going their way.

Also

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With Deng, Rose, Brewer, Thomas and Taj Gibson on the court, the Bulls had their defensive unit in place, seemingly poised with the 12-point cushion, to hold off a potential rally. And when James missed another rare free throw following the Heat timeout and Brewer followed with one of two foul shots to restore the lead to 12 with 3:14 left, the Bulls' lead still appeared safe.

In fact, after 10,000 simulations, Accuscore.com calculated that at that point, the Heat had just a 1 percent chance of winning the game.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/columns/story?columnist=isaacson_melissa&id=6597932
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 27, 2011, 09:48:56 AM
Isn't that basically the same thing the Mavs did in Game 4?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 27, 2011, 10:06:36 AM
Uh, the Mavs took a whole quarter to do it.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 27, 2011, 10:13:44 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 27, 2011, 10:06:36 AM
Uh, the Mavs took a whole quarter to do it.

5:30 minutes is a whole quarter now? :wtf
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 27, 2011, 10:16:49 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 27, 2011, 09:48:56 AM
Isn't that basically the same thing the Mavs did in Game 4?

I think what the Mavs did was impressive. Very impressive against the Thunder. I guess for me what it boils down to is it shows how specifically good those two players can be which is why they are a handful. They were both mostly having sub-par games for their standards. And then just those two by themselves were able to completely turn around a game with so little time. It really was jordan/pippenesque and I've pretty much refrained from using that comparison all season for lots of reasons. It's odd to say but the Mavs one was less impressive simply because they already play a more team oriented version of basketball especially on offense. When the Heat can do it with just two players and you know its coming but still can't stop it, that's why its special.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 27, 2011, 10:17:44 AM
Man, how cruel would it be for the Mavs to win the first two games, then lose 4 straight again? I can totally see this happening though.

Looks like Miami has home court too...by one lousy game (58 to the Mavs' 57). Ouch.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 27, 2011, 07:07:19 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7qiT43VZiU&feature=channel_video_title[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J12S6KOSe6s&feature=feedu[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEECwgdigZY&feature=feedu[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 27, 2011, 07:20:55 PM
Dirk's best highlight of the Western Conference Finals is him leaving in the middle of the award ceremony. :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2011, 01:19:50 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9erEIdkERzM&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
 :bow2

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 28, 2011, 01:51:42 PM
:rofl

the sound Barkley's rings make when he throws them down on the table :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 29, 2011, 01:03:39 AM
that was too long, but still pretty great :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 29, 2011, 02:31:27 AM
MVPenis  :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 29, 2011, 02:47:25 PM
I like the quotes at the beginning of the video. The thing is the Heat Hate just turned people absolutely stupid. You could make a 20 minute youtube video of all the dumb things people have said since the beginning of the year and how its turned out completely wrong for them. And none of them will admit it.

"I'd take Derrick Rose over Lebron" is just a really stupid thing to say. Not because Derrick Rose isn't a really good player. But Real Talk here. What GM isn't going to take the 250 to 270 pound,  6 foot 8, can dribble and play world class defense specimen that is Lebron over Rose. C'mon Bucher. Pull your head out of your ass.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 29, 2011, 02:50:35 PM
My Heat Hate is completely irrational, but I don't care.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 29, 2011, 02:53:07 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 29, 2011, 02:50:35 PM
My Heat Hate is completely irrational, but I don't care.

I don't mind irrational heat hate. It's sports. People are allowed to be irrational. I just don't like it when people say completely stupid things or get proven completely wrong and then pretend they never said those stupid things. Especially if they are paid to be rational. It's like the Daily Show when Jon Stewart shows Fox News clips.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 29, 2011, 03:49:52 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 29, 2011, 02:50:35 PM
My Heat Hate is completely irrational, but I don't care.

No, it's not irrational. 2006 Finals man, never forget.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 30, 2011, 01:59:57 AM
LeBron has always been a guy that I like, no matter how douchey he appears to be in the media.  I mean, sure, he's got an ego.  He plays sports.  Of course he does.  But he's from my hometown, dammit, and I've known him since he was a sophomore in high school.  I'm going to root for him, no matter what.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 30, 2011, 03:00:35 AM
His 'heel turn' is so transparent that I like him more for it in a way. He's only doing it because he's genuinely hurt at all the booing. He really just wants to be loved, and is like a confused little puppy that just got kicked.

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 30, 2011, 03:33:09 AM
[youtube=560,345]JoQyzmn8mLA[/youtube]

:bow2
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2011, 01:51:28 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWMkc6PQwzs&t=2m45s[/youtube]

I'm waiting for the day somebody just punches Bayless dead in his mouth.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 30, 2011, 02:04:56 PM
Usually with sports radio or television you can tell commentators are deploying a version of "good cop bad cop" to stimulate debate and conversation with their listeners/viewers; you can tell no one is truly stupid enough to believe x is true, and dismiss it as a facet of the medium. But I've never gotten that impression with Bayless. He truly believes every stupid thing he says.

I don't remember anyone accusing LeBron of being some selfish, conceited bastard during the heights of his Cavs career. He was the de facto leader of that team and got everyone involved. He made bums look good, and seemed to enjoy utilizing his insane court vision to get these guys involved. Only after leaving the Cavs did I start noticing all the negative stories about him being selfish. Even Kobe fans on GAF accuse LeBron of it, which is hilarious of course.

LeBron was a kid and acted like one. And yet, he didn't get in any off court trouble, say many controversial things, have to apologize for stupid mistakes, etc. He stayed pretty clean, by modern sports superstar era standards.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 30, 2011, 02:30:54 PM
Exactly.  Kobe-GAF have some of the most hysterical and unbelievable opinions regarding James.  All the nicknames, all the accusations, when Kobe is just as bad if not WORSE.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 30, 2011, 02:34:38 PM
It's not even comparable. LeBron's teammates loved him, in part because he kept them involved and trusted them. Every year the media chooses a point in the season to claim Kobe has "grown up" and is more mature, trusts his teammates, etc. Which of course never truly happens; he's better than he once was, but that's not saying much.

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2011, 02:53:24 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 30, 2011, 02:30:54 PM
Exactly.  Kobe-GAF have some of the most hysterical and unbelievable opinions regarding James.  All the nicknames, all the accusations, when Kobe is just as bad if not WORSE.

That was always the oddest thing about NBA GAF. They hated Lebron and loved Kobe. So in other words they loved the alleged rapist and the guy who tried to throw Shaq under the bus when he got caught cheating on his wife. Go figure.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 30, 2011, 02:54:26 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2011, 02:53:24 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 30, 2011, 02:30:54 PM
Exactly.  Kobe-GAF have some of the most hysterical and unbelievable opinions regarding James.  All the nicknames, all the accusations, when Kobe is just as bad if not WORSE.

That was always the oddest thing about NBA GAF. They hated Lebron and loved Kobe. So in other words they loved the alleged rapist and the guy who tried to throw Shaq under the bus when he got caught cheating on his wife. Go figure.

This is also the forum that has Amri0x as a mod, so...
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 30, 2011, 02:56:00 PM
and the guy who gave up in at least two key playoff games (against the Suns and against the Celtics in the finals) that resulted in eliminations.

"but we were going to lose anyway!"
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2011, 02:58:16 PM
The thing is I don't even hate Kobe. Kobe is what he is. He's got the rings to validate his career. I just never put him on a pedastal especially morally.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 30, 2011, 03:03:20 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 30, 2011, 02:56:00 PM
and the guy who gave up in at least two key playoff games (against the Suns and against the Celtics in the finals) that resulted in eliminations.

"but we were going to lose anyway!"

The Cavs fan in me can retort back saying LeBron did the same thing last year in the playoffs, but honestly?  He played for the Cavs under a terrible TERRIBLE owner and coach.  Kobe had Jackson and plays for the fucking Lakers.  I might act the same way if I was in Bron's situation.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 30, 2011, 03:47:17 PM
True. That last playoff run was painful. The Cavs team was built poorly, and they simply didn't play well. LeBron looked desperate to win

I like Kobe overall, he was once my second favorite player in the NBA. But Kobe fans who hate LeBron make me want to break shit. I had been on the "Kobe>LeBron" bandwagon for awhile, but I gotta admit LeBron looks better.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 30, 2011, 09:39:04 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 30, 2011, 02:34:38 PM
It's not even comparable. LeBron's teammates loved him, in part because he kept them involved and trusted them. Every year the media chooses a point in the season to claim Kobe has "grown up" and is more mature, trusts his teammates, etc. Which of course never truly happens; he's better than he once was, but that's not saying much.


....and in part because he got their loser asses HUGE ASS CONTRACTS THE LIKES OF WHICH THEY WILL NEVER SEE AGAIN. (also in this category - Vince Carter in Toronto).
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: etiolate on May 30, 2011, 11:43:29 PM
I find ESPN's NBA page thing on Lebron to be misguided. The people watching for Lebron are casual fans who are interested because they think they should be hyped for the Heat. (Yeah you know it) So its effective hype, but its not really a relationship between the fans and Lebron like I've seen with Kobe or MJ.

I haven't posted about Lebron in awhile because I just don't find him interesting anymore. Yes, he's talented and has a physical advantage over others and stats, etc, but all these things that used to be interesting are less interesting when he's got all-stars/superstars with him. The Heatles make Lebron less majestic because of a guy like Wade. And because he has that talent with him, I had expectations of a very beautiful sort of offense to be played but that never came to be. It's some athletic fast breaks and then some boring, unimaginative half-court play that doesn't really amaze or entertain me.

The Heat winning isn't interesting because of course they should win.

And Lebron as a personality? I think the Decision just overexposed him and then put him in a 'heel' sort of position that he wasn't ready to be. I don't hate Lebron because he was a dick, but I could have if he'd done more with it. For he's been a very boring dick since then, a poor heel, and he gave up being heroic and the in between is boring.

I got bored of the Heat pretty early in the season and I have seen them play this playoffs, but I mostly watch their games for the other team. If I root against the Heat, it is because of how the team was assembled and it is certainly a anti-Heat thing and not a Lebron hatred because he is neither heroic or heel, and the team winning is pretty much expected.

Even nbagaf's hate for Lebron moved on to Derrick Rose. ESPN seems to be the entity obsessed with a storyline they had planned for but their main character isn't as interesting either negatively or positively within the new situation.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 30, 2011, 11:49:18 PM
That's a whole lot of over analysis for a fucking basketball player

Also Wade has been pretty shit all post-season save the fourth quarter.  It's been Bosh/LeBron all post-season.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: etiolate on May 30, 2011, 11:59:09 PM
Well my post is equal to the attention ESPN gives to the idea.

Here's what's been interesting: Mavs/Heat rematch. Dirk-mazing. Grizzlies surprising. Bosh redeeming himself of late. Old teams looking done.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2011, 12:32:14 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 30, 2011, 11:49:18 PM
That's a whole lot of over analysis for a fucking basketball player

Also Wade has been pretty shit all post-season save the fourth quarter.  It's been Bosh/LeBron all post-season.

Charlie Brooker addressed just this issue yesterday, about soccer players:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/may/30/why-idolise-footballers

Money shot:
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It's like living in a world where half of us worship shire horses


Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Mandark on May 31, 2011, 12:49:06 AM
The Heat have brought out the worst in the sports media.  There's been a ton of moralizing masquerading as analysis, more than usual even.  An athletic competition ain't a parable, guys!

And for all the handwringing about the Heat, Knicks, and Dwight Howard, the imminent demise of all small market teams has been completely overblown.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2011, 08:58:40 AM
Wade has had a good playoffs outside of the bulls series. Bosh had a great Bulls series ( 23.2 points and 7.6 rebounds per game, 60 percent shooting and 32-of-33 at the foul line) but had been pretty average before that.


http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?seasontype=3&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fhollinger%2fstatistics%3fseasontype%3d3

The Heat have had a great playoffs boosted by the fact that they've had 3 of the top 15 players statistically.


Quote from: Mandark on May 31, 2011, 12:49:06 AM
The Heat have brought out the worst in the sports media.  There's been a ton of moralizing masquerading as analysis, more than usual even.  An athletic competition ain't a parable, guys!

Agreed. But then's sports "journalism" has always had a strong dose of this hypocrisy.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2011, 01:01:14 PM
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1. What's the potential fatal flaw in the NBA Finals for Dallas?



 

Tom Haberstroh, Heat Index: The Mavericks can slow down LeBron James or Dwyane Wade, but not both. The Bulls featured two elite wing defenders in Luol Deng and Ronnie Brewer, and even they had trouble keeping Miami's dynamic duo in check -- especially in crunch time. If Tyson Chandler finds himself in foul trouble, this could get ugly fast.



John Krolik, Cavs: The Blog: Speed/Athleticism. The Mavericks are big, they can shoot the lights out and they play smart, but all five of Miami's starters are faster than their Dallas counterparts. (Although I don't know if there would be a "winner" in a Mike Bibby/Jason Kidd footrace.) That could be very tough for Dallas to beat if Miami stays disciplined defensively.



Tim MacMahon, ESPN Dallas: I'll go out on a limb and suggest that perhaps Dwyane Wade and LeBron James could present problems for Dallas. That's especially concerning when Jason Terry and/or Peja Stojakovic are on the court. The Mavs could certainly use Caron Butler in this series, but it's considered an extreme long shot that he'll be cleared to play.



Beckley Mason, Hoopspeak: A lack of team speed. On offense, this won't be too big of an issue because the Mavs move the ball so well and not even Wade is faster than a passed basketball. But defensively, they aren't agile enough to keep bodies in front of both James and Wade.



Sebastian Pruiti, NBAPlaybook.com: Defense. With Butler out, it is hard to find matchups that make sense for Dallas on the defensive end. If Shawn Marion defends LeBron, who matches up with Wade? If Tyson Chandler defends Joel Anthony, Nowitzki is left on Chris Bosh. The Mavericks may be forced to play zone a majority of this series.




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2. What's the potential fatal flaw in the Finals for Miami?



 

Tom Haberstroh, Heat Index: Three-point shooting. Sure, the onslaught of 3s from LeBron and Wade in Game 5 of the East finals was etched in our memories because of the timing, but more so because it was unexpected. The Heat's best lineups feature only one 3-point marksman, which is not a recipe for success against a zone.



John Krolik, Cavs: The Blog: Slow starts. The Heat lost a total of three games in three series, but they've taken their time to get themselves going. The Heat are only 6-9 in first quarters these playoffs, but they've been able to count on their defense to keep themselves in the game and take over late. That won't fly with a team that plays offense like Dallas and has Dirk Nowitzki to close out games.



Tim MacMahon, ESPN Dallas: The Mavs have a couple of starting-quality centers, which is two more than the Heat have. The lack of a legitimate big man could finally cost the Heat against Chandler and Brendan Haywood. Chandler averaged a double-double in Dallas' two wins over Miami this season. Miami can't afford to let him get easy alley-oops and generate extra possessions.



Beckley Mason, Hoopspeak.com: Lack of discipline. We know Dallas doesn't give anything away on either end through shoddy game-planning or execution. Miami must fight bad habits like over-rotating on defense and relying on isolations offensively. Otherwise Dallas will feast on open 3-pointers and forced Miami jump shots.



Sebastian Pruiti, NBAPlaybook.com: Pick-and-pop defense. The Heat's hard double off ball screens wasn't just an adjustment for Derrick Rose, it has been something they have been doing all season, including the two games against Dallas during the regular season. If they continue to use this pick-and-pop defense, Nowitzki might have yet another big series.




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3. What's the biggest X-factor in the Finals for Dallas?


 
Barea


Tom Haberstroh, Heat Index: J.J. Barea. The Puerto Rican from Miami zips around the court, knows no bounds and can distribute the rock to the second-unit shooters. If you thought Mario Chalmers caused headaches, just wait until you see him try to guard Barea.



John Krolik, Cavs: The Blog: Zone defense. Dallas played more of it than any team in the league this season, and it was effective when they deployed it against Miami. That said, you know that Erik Spolestra, LeBron and Wade are watching tape until their eyes bleed right now and figuring out how to force Dallas to play them straight-up. How much zone Dallas plays and how effective it is will both be interesting to watch in this series.



Tim MacMahon, ESPN Dallas: The Mavs' biggest X-factor has a backwards P tattooed on his face. Never mind DeShawn Stevenson's old beef with LeBron. The Mavs need him to slow down Wade. He shut down Wade during the regular season, holding him to two points in 30 minutes. (Wade scored 42 points in 50 minutes against the Mavs when Stevenson wasn't on the floor.).



Beckley Mason, Hoopspeak.com: Chandler is going to have his hands full protecting the rim from Miami's constant dribble-drive onslaught. He's probably the most important Dallas defender, but he can also contribute some important easy buckets on offense by exploiting Miami's rotations, diving to the hoop and catching at or above the rim. Chandler needs to make the Heat pay for focusing on defending the 3.



Sebastian Pruiti, NBAPlaybook.com: Barea and Terry. These two Mavs off the bench are the primary ball handlers in pick-and-pop situations. If Miami decides to trap the basketball with off-ball screens, they have to make the right decision at a high rate if they want to put themselves and their teammates (mainly Nowitzki) in a position to score.




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Anthony
4. What's the biggest X-factor in the Finals for Miami?



Tom Haberstroh, Heat Index: Anthony. If the defensive savant can contain Nowitzki, we could be in for most impactful scoreless performance in Finals history. If he can't, there's no reason to have him out there. That's quite a swing.



John Krolik, Cavs: The Blog: Wade. It feels strange to call one of the league's five best players an "X-factor," but it looked like he might have hit a wall against Chicago. Miami fans have to hope that was just an effect of Chicago's defense, but it was still troublesome. If Wade plays like he did against Boston while James and Bosh play the way they did against Chicago, this could be a short series for Miami. If he stays off his game, Dallas has a great shot to win.



Tim MacMahon, ESPN Dallas: Udonis Haslem did an outstanding job defending Nowitzki in these teams' previous Finals appearance. Haslem will probably be the chairman of the committee the Heat uses on Nowitzki in this series. The problem, according to Haslem, is that Nowitzki no longer has the weaknesses that he exposed in the 2006 Finals.



Beckley Mason, Hoopspeak.com: Expect Dallas to make liberal use of the NBA's best zone in an effort to stymie Miami's wing attack. James Jones, Mike Miller, Chalmers and Bibby -- basically anyone who shoots 3s for the Heat -- will have to be ready and reliable.



Sebastian Pruiti, NBAPlaybook.com: The Mikes. As I mentioned earlier, Dallas may play a lot of zone. What the zone allows Dallas to do is load up against the Big Three and try to get the basketball out of their hands. If Mike Miller and Mike Bibby can knock down these open shots out of the zone, Dallas is going to be in a world of hurt.




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5. Who wins the NBA Finals?



Tom Haberstroh, Heat Index: Heat in seven. And the dynasty begins.



John Krolik, Cavs: The Blog: I'm going with the Heat in six. I think these teams are very evenly matched, but the 2-3-2 format is brutal when the underdog is playing a great home team. Miami has has yet to lose at home this postseason, and Dallas will either have to win three games in a row or two games in Miami this series to take home the championship, and I don't think they'll pull it off.



Tim MacMahon, ESPN Dallas: I've believed in the Mavericks all the way -- well, since Game 2 in L.A., at least. The Mavs will win a thrilling Game 7 officiated by Bennett Salvatore and Danny Crawford. The Mavs have exorcised one playoff demon after another during this run. It feels like destiny for Dallas to finish the job -- finally -- by defeating the Heat.



Beckley Mason, Hoopspeak.com: Heat in six. As if the Mavs didn't already have an unbearably grueling task ahead of them, the 2-3-2 game format means the Heat's home-court advantage is even more pronounced. I expect a brilliant coaching duel between Erik Spoelstra and Rick Carlisle, and if Carlisle doesn't win handily, I can't see Miami's talent (three of the top four players in the series) falling short.



Sebastian Pruiti, NBAPlaybook.com: The Dallas Mavericks in six. For the Heat to have success against Dallas' zone, they need to have Miller and Bibby knock down shots and I just don't think that will happen on four separate occasions. Also, Miami's pick-and-pop defense worries me a bit, and I think it will allow Nowitzki to have a high-scoring series.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2011/news/story?page=5-on-5-110531
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 31, 2011, 01:39:03 PM
Haha, Wade as an "x-factor"

It's Miller or Haslem all the way
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2011, 04:20:57 PM
I don't know if I would call them X-factors but two barometers for the series will be Barrea and Bosh. If Bosh plays like he did against the Bulls then I think it will be a pretty easy series for the Heat. If he plays less good that makes it less easy although they still could win.

If Barrea plays like he has all these playoffs that will make it harder on the Heat. If he plays less well that's a very good sign for the heat.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2011, 05:04:05 PM
Simmons finals podcast. Bucher, Hollinger, Stein.

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/player?rd=1#/podcenter/?id=6612019&autoplay=1&callsign=ESPNRADIO
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 31, 2011, 05:42:16 PM
I was listening to Cowherd this afternoon and he said that the pressure was on Dallas to win Game 1 because even if they win Game 1, the Heat still get to play three games at home and three games in Dallas. But if Dallas loses Game 1, then they have to win 4 games and three of them are in Miami.

Brilliant analysis, no wonder they pay him the big bucks!! :bow2 :bow2
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Beezy on May 31, 2011, 07:07:58 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2011, 07:49:38 PM
He was probably trying to say something pithy about home field advantage in the 2-3-2 format and failed miserably.

Since 1985 when the NBA moved to the 2-3-2 the home field team has won 20 out of 26 NBA finals. He should have just stuck with that.
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Post by: Flannel Boy on May 31, 2011, 09:10:09 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on July 12, 2010, 11:06:13 PM
But the Heat have the best shooting guard, the best small forward, and one of the three best powerforwards in the NBA. The only way they don't win rings next year is if one of them gets injured or Wade and Bosh run a train on LeBron's mom.

*coughs

Quote from: Wrath2X on July 13, 2010, 09:37:17 AM
I say Miami won't win the championship, they might reach the eastern conference championship but that's it. I'm talking about their first season of course.

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 13, 2010, 09:42:40 AM

Agreed. Eventually they're going to win, they have six years to win something. Maybe they get 3 championships when all is said and done. But not this upcoming season


lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2011, 09:23:46 PM
It's kinda amazing how bad Bibby is on offense and defense.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2011, 09:47:32 PM
Welcome back Malek. Thanks for reminding me of another of my predictions that will come true soon
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 31, 2011, 09:55:16 PM
Bibby is by far the Heat's weakest link.  Why he's a starter just baffles me.  Just use LeBron in his place in the starting lineup.  And put in Haslem as a starter.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2011, 09:59:51 PM
Dirk choking right on schedule
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2011, 10:01:49 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 31, 2011, 09:55:16 PM
Bibby is by far the Heat's weakest link.  Why he's a starter just baffles me.  Just use LeBron in his place in the starting lineup.  And put in Haslem as a starter.

I think they do need another ball handler on the floor. They just need somebody else doing it other than Bibby next season.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: naff on May 31, 2011, 10:03:00 PM
God damn, my streams keep getting taken down :'( anyone got a decent one that's still up?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2011, 10:07:21 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2011, 09:59:51 PM
Dirk choking right on schedule

He's doing fine.


The zone is giving Miami trouble. Turning them into a jump shooting team.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 31, 2011, 10:14:45 PM
That's not necessarily a bad thing.  The zone worked well against them in the Bulls series, and LeBron and Bosh can hit jumpers this post season quite well.  The thing that's hurting Miami after the half, I think, is Dallas' superb ball movement.  The Bulls didn't have this sort of movement.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2011, 10:15:23 PM
Quote from: quietID on May 31, 2011, 10:03:00 PM
God damn, my streams keep getting taken down :'( anyone got a decent one that's still up?

http://www.myp2pforum.eu/threads/57004-NBA-Today!-May-31st-Finals-Edition (http://www.myp2pforum.eu/threads/57004-NBA-Today!-May-31st-Finals-Edition)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2011, 10:19:17 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 31, 2011, 10:14:45 PM
That's not necessarily a bad thing.  The zone worked well against them in the Bulls series, and LeBron and Bosh can hit jumpers this post season quite well.  The thing that's hurting Miami after the half, I think, is Dallas' superb ball movement.  The Bulls didn't have this sort of movement.

Well the thing is you just can't swarm at Dallas because unlike chicago their shooters can hit shots. This is a case where I think the Heat would be better off just playing straight man on man defense without all the collapsing on the shooter. It's silly to leave people like Jason Terry and Jason Kidd. Especially kidd who at this stage in his career isn't going to be taking you off the dribble and driving. I think a smart coach would recognize this. We'll see if Spolestra recognizes it.  ::)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 31, 2011, 10:31:42 PM
So you wouldn't double Dirk?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 31, 2011, 10:34:25 PM
why. is. bibby. a. starter.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2011, 10:36:05 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 31, 2011, 10:31:42 PM
So you wouldn't double Dirk?

My problem is Miami has one gameplan and they almost never adapt to what is going on in a game. The problem right now isn't Dirk. It's everybody else. And if Dallas proved one thing, its that they have three point shooters. If Dirk gets hot. Then yeah. Double Team him. Or vary it up a little. Double sometimes. Don't double others. But right now what they are doing isn't working. You can't leave shooters to just chase the ball. The Mavs are getting wide open shots on offense. This ain't the bulls.

Or if they are going to keep doing what they are doing they are going to need to close out on shooters a hell of a lot better.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: etiolate on May 31, 2011, 10:40:41 PM
Bibby allows Dallas to play Kidd/Barea backcourt at no cost.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2011, 10:47:38 PM
I think when Spoelstra says "Grind" he thinks that's coaching.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: etiolate on May 31, 2011, 10:56:57 PM
I think he means "flail arms for free throws" when he says grind
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2011, 11:00:02 PM
Damn Lebron is hot.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2011, 11:10:37 PM
Wade is 6 of 15 again. Not sure why he keeps struggling on offense other than that he is really injured or something but doesn't want to say it so it doesn't get taken advantage of.

And for all my talk about Miami being forced into a jump shooting team they are 10 of 23 fron 3 point range. 44%. It isn't hurting them.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2011, 11:12:59 PM
Good game so far. Wade must be injured or something
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2011, 11:32:32 PM
Miami closing it out like they do. Man they are tough when the game gets down to like 5 minutes or less in the 4th quarter.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: naff on May 31, 2011, 11:34:30 PM
If Wade's injured he isn't showin it, playin like a boss in these final minutes
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2011, 11:37:03 PM
Bosh has been crap the second half but it looks like it won't matter.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2011, 11:42:34 PM
Dallas played it close for most of the game. Miami just executed a lot better in the 4th quarter. That's been their signature this playoffs.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: etiolate on May 31, 2011, 11:43:45 PM
Bad game from Terry and good ole refs hurt the Mavs.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2011, 11:45:27 PM
Quote from: etiolate on May 31, 2011, 11:43:45 PM
Bad game from Terry and good ole refs hurt the Mavs.

I knew this excuse would fly up. They got beat plain and simple. They played well. It was close. They got outplayed in the 4th quarter. The "refs" will become the excuse if Miami wins this from certain people as it always does.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: etiolate on May 31, 2011, 11:48:27 PM
I'm not a coward about refs. They were an issue and there was obvious shift in calls at a certain point in the 3rd that helped Miami get back in it. Dallas had some trouble rebounding, Terry didn't show up. Miami had a pretty horrible half-court offense and Wade struggled for most of the game. These things don't mean the refs are meaningless. Dallas was taking control and the whistles stepped in. It's pretty much formulaic with the NBA playoffs to see that happen.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Mandark on May 31, 2011, 11:49:40 PM
Damn refs only giving Dallas 8 more FTA's than Miami.

The Heat's defense reminds me of the 90's Bulls, smothering people without having a real rim-protector at center.  For all the crap Spoelstra takes for his personnel decisions, he's got them prepared on defense.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2011, 11:51:05 PM
Not even gonna argue with you dude. It's always the same excuse from certain people.

The Mavericks went to the line more in that game. 6 times more. They got called for one more personal foul in that game than the Heat. 22 to 21. But it's a conspiracy. It's stern. It's whatever.

The Heat if they win the title is gonna be so delicious from all the bitter tears.

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: naff on May 31, 2011, 11:54:42 PM
Game was played pretty close till the 4th quarter where the Heat clearly closed out the Mavs, Miami outclassed Dallas in that final quarter plain and simple.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2011, 11:56:13 PM
Good point on defense. These guys don't stand around waiting to run back down the court on offense. They shut you down. Wade's been like that for awhile. Initially LeBron's defensive effort was lacking, but he became a beast relatively quickly.

Mavs looked shook
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: etiolate on May 31, 2011, 11:57:26 PM
The same excuse? It's not an excuse, it's part of analyzing the game honestly. I know its status quo for sports media to bypass it, but the entire 2010 Finals was Phil Jackson and Doc Rivers trying to manipulate the refs to a victory. How the game was called normally determined the winner in that series. It is a major factor in NBA ball and I consider ignoring it to only give you a partial view of the game. People spin this into "focusing on the refs and ignoring everything else" when it is the exact opposite. The only difference being that the refs as factors and other things such as rebounds or defense being factors is that those other things SHOULD be factors. The refs should not.

I wasn't joking earlier. Spoels saying "grind grind don't worry about if the shots go in" is nba-speak for play to the officials. Don't worry about making, worry about getting to the line. It's part of the game.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: naff on June 01, 2011, 12:02:05 AM
Yeah, drawing fouls is a big part of the game!? That's not what you were arguing, you said the refs consistently made biased calls from the 3rd quarter letting the Heat back on top ::) It's always the refs
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 01, 2011, 12:02:42 AM
I'm guessing your commentary will pretty much be the same after every game. So let's just consider it a given. There is no legit way in your eyes for Miami to win this series. If they ever end up with more fouls it was definitely ref bullshit. The league is fake and phony. Dallas was screwed. I get it. You're a cool poster but I just don't consider this discussion of a game because there is no where to go with it. I fundamentally disagree with your position. For me outside of this post, its the last I'll mention of it.

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Flannel Boy on June 01, 2011, 12:03:19 AM
The Heat are a better, more athletic, and more talented team. Players like Peja, Terry, and JJ can't be counted on to do shit in the Finals.

Bottom line: The Heat have three of the four best players in the series--and they're all in their primes. How the fuck did anyone pick the Mavs (I'm a Mavs fan, and I sure didn't)?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: etiolate on June 01, 2011, 12:04:02 AM
Quote from: quietID on June 01, 2011, 12:02:05 AM
Yeah, drawing fouls is a big part of the game!? That's not what you were arguing, you said the refs consistently made biased calls from the 3rd quarter letting the Heat back on top ::) It's always the refs

Drawing fouls? That's not exactly what I mean.

Anyways, don't troll me. I can be mean.

Hey, two means.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 01, 2011, 12:04:22 AM
etiolet  ::)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 01, 2011, 12:05:20 AM
Miami is just fucking disgusting at the end of the game when they need to be. Too. Fucking. Good.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 01, 2011, 12:06:19 AM
Miami benefited from calls tonight, there's no doubt. That's the case with most home teams, and superstars in general. I didn't see anything that suggested refs won the game for them. They completely shut Dallas down.

Suggesting "grind...don't worry about the shots" is code for some nefarious conspiracy is pure projection on your part. I typically hate when people use this in an argument, but: have you ever played sports? I've heard multiple coaches say that. The only thing it's code for is "hustle hard and the shots will take care of themselves."
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 01, 2011, 12:08:08 AM
I bet GAF is disgusting right now.  I don't even want to open that thread.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: etiolate on June 01, 2011, 12:12:31 AM
PD: In high school it means that. It means a bit more at the NBA level.

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Mandark on June 01, 2011, 12:13:07 AM
LeBron's been an imposing on-ball defender for a few years now, but in Cleveland they picked their spots to use him as a perimeter stopper.  Now he's just plain ferocious all the time.

Also, Miami once again ruining their "games within 5 points" stat by closing out too well.


What really impresses me about Miami's defense is how it seems that nobody ever gets caught out of position.  Even with the extra playoff intensity it's hard not to make a mistake on rotations every now and then, but the Heat have achieved Celtics-level discipline, while being more athletic on the wings.  Scary stuff.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 01, 2011, 12:15:38 AM
How so? We can agree star players create contact and expect calls, which they often receive. But I can't possibly fathom how you can believe a coach just says "time for plan b" and everyone starts flopping, throwing their arms up, etc thus resulting in an undeserved win.

Miami outplayed Dallas tonight, period. The refs helped, but the refs had nothing to do with Dallas' offense looking non-existent, Terry having a bad game, Hayword putting on his best Kwame Brown impression, and no ability to stop Haslem or Bosh.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: etiolate on June 01, 2011, 12:22:40 AM
The Heat D was playing the pick n roll pretty well, but they did leave some guys open. They just weren't hitting shots. Neither bench showed up big and that hurts Dallas more.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 01, 2011, 12:23:25 AM
So Dallas loss regardless of the refs, correct?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: etiolate on June 01, 2011, 12:27:46 AM
What do you mean? The refs were one of the reasons Dallas lost and at least altered the flow of the game in the 3rd. Dallas still lost. I just brought up factors as to why and people flipped their lid because I included the refs.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 01, 2011, 12:31:50 AM
(http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/730593/gyi0064963337_extra_large.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 01, 2011, 12:47:55 AM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on June 01, 2011, 12:31:50 AM
(http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/730593/gyi0064963337_extra_large.jpg)

(http://tinyurl.com/3jv4eqd)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 01, 2011, 01:20:00 AM
Amazed that anyone could call these playoffs 'formulaic' in any way :lol Have you totally forgotten everything that has happened so far? :lol

Come now, the Mavs are in the Finals, having swept the Lakers. That alone should put this nonsense about the refereeing to rest. They make bad calls from time to time, and occasionally they blow big calls in big games that affect the result. They certainly do not do this in any kind of predictable fashion though.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Mandark on June 01, 2011, 02:16:26 AM
Dirk tore a finger tendon.  It's his non-shooting hand, so it's not terrible, but it ain't good either.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 01, 2011, 07:58:57 AM
Dirk has a non-shooting hand? :teehee
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 01, 2011, 08:02:20 AM
Seriously though that is a bit :gloomy

Gonna go to ch1nchilla's place on Friday to get rowdy and watch gm 2 on LP. Unfortunately we won't able to join you all ITT though.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 01, 2011, 12:56:47 PM
Green Shinobi is having a meltdown in the gaf thread, it's lovely
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 01, 2011, 01:08:52 PM
Kobe raped one girl... Lebron raped an entire Midwestern city. He's the worst human being to ever step onto a basketball court, and the only ring that should ever go around his finger is some dude's asshole.
-Green Shinobi

:rofl

Epic meltdown
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 01, 2011, 03:00:30 PM
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 01, 2011, 03:20:26 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/news/story?id=6615886
http://www.tout.com/u/Shaq
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 01, 2011, 03:27:52 PM
Just watched a Shaq video on youtube in celebration.  Motherfucking great player, one of the best.  His tenure in LA is legendary.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 01, 2011, 04:01:02 PM
My favorite player of all time, since I was 4 our 5 years old. Great career. I kinda wish he had gone back to Miami somehow for one final run. But the injuries/wear and tear were just too much this season for him to be relavent on the court in any way; still, would have been fun to see him on the Miami bench clowning.

/salute
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: naff on June 01, 2011, 06:34:00 PM
Ffffffuuuu Green Shinobi :rofl.... SO he's from Cleveland?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 01, 2011, 07:30:21 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 01, 2011, 04:01:02 PM
My favorite player of all time, since I was 4 our 5 years old. Great career. I kinda wish he had gone back to Miami somehow for one final run. But the injuries/wear and tear were just too much this season for him to be relavent on the court in any way; still, would have been fun to see him on the Miami bench clowning.

/salute


Statistically (and to my eyes) Boston's starting 5 with Shaq was the best 5 man unit in the league in the regular season. He was very relevant this year until the injury.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 01, 2011, 10:26:23 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1mOOee53Ak&feature=related[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ih2EnUeCyU[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4c5Ch6CDcs[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: T-Short on June 02, 2011, 09:42:38 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/BSWgs.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 02, 2011, 10:05:55 AM
:lol

Then again, no-one is going to sponsor a pro athlete to read books, Hyoushi. Although that would be hilarious in many case.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 02, 2011, 12:28:35 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF4Y1cy_Suw&feature=feedu[/youtube]

Jesus Christ Ahmad Rashad has made a pact with the devil to never age or something.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Mandark on June 02, 2011, 02:38:34 PM
What are the two books that say "TROUT" on the spine?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 02, 2011, 09:32:55 PM
OMG Insane rebound dunk from Lebron.  'Nique might be the only other perimeter player who could do something like that. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 02, 2011, 09:42:07 PM
Heat aren't getting any fouls so far, lulz at gaf thinking Stern is making the refs win the games for the Heat.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 02, 2011, 09:50:35 PM
Heat taking a lot of jumpshots again. It worked last game but I don't like that as a consistent gameplan.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 02, 2011, 09:50:45 PM
Joey Crawford is a fucking moron.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 02, 2011, 10:01:48 PM
Seriously, the officiating in this game has been shit-tay so far.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 02, 2011, 10:04:08 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 02, 2011, 10:01:48 PM
Seriously, the officiating in this game has been shit-tay so far.


People only care if it benefits the Heat.
 ;)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 02, 2011, 10:04:53 PM
So Etoilet, thoughts on dat officiating?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 02, 2011, 10:07:42 PM
Wade is gonna get lots of praise for his 1st half but he's actually been playing pretty bad D. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 02, 2011, 10:13:14 PM
Wade is kicking ass on offense.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 02, 2011, 10:37:30 PM
Heat Defense

 :bow2
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 02, 2011, 10:42:25 PM
Bosh is playing soft again on offense.  :-\
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 02, 2011, 10:50:58 PM
Bibby finally crawling out of the coffin he was in.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 02, 2011, 11:04:30 PM
Bibby making shots, wow.  And dat LeBron dunk
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Beezy on June 02, 2011, 11:13:40 PM
Where the fuck is Jason Terry
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 02, 2011, 11:19:06 PM
Mavericks turning over the ball like crazy.

Another Heat 4th quarter dusting. This team is amazing in the 4th.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 02, 2011, 11:20:07 PM
Wade is going all God-mode.  Visions of 2006.  This looks too business like haha
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 02, 2011, 11:23:12 PM
this is fucking pathetic
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 02, 2011, 11:27:47 PM
barrea has been worse than a non factor so far.

2 games.

4 Assists. 7 points. 3 of 15 shooting.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 02, 2011, 11:34:03 PM
Nice Dallas comeback.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 02, 2011, 11:38:21 PM
Heat doing their best to troll gaf
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 02, 2011, 11:38:36 PM
Miami Collapse.

Lebron taking shit shots.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 02, 2011, 11:42:24 PM
Amazing comeback. Awful heat offense. completely broken iso only offense. Good job spolestra.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 02, 2011, 11:42:46 PM
fuckkkkk this game

holy FUCK
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 02, 2011, 11:44:13 PM
Wow.  Wow.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 02, 2011, 11:45:48 PM
DIRK MOTHERFUCKERS
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 02, 2011, 11:45:55 PM
It's a series.

 :)


Bosh was complete and utter shit tonight on both ends.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 02, 2011, 11:46:58 PM
That was just awful defense.  Ugh.  Will not even go to gaf to see how happy they are
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: bachikarn on June 02, 2011, 11:47:08 PM
damn, turned off too soon
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Beezy on June 02, 2011, 11:48:22 PM
My heart... ridiculous game.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 02, 2011, 11:48:36 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 02, 2011, 11:46:58 PM
That was just awful defense.  Ugh.  Will not even go to gaf to see how happy they are

Yeah it was weird. That's the time you want to actually double Dirk. But instead everybody stayed home. Didn't help that bosh played him like shit.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 02, 2011, 11:49:50 PM
Holy shit. My dad left my place once Miami went up 15 but drove back just in time to see Dirk's shot :bow

Lmao @ LeBron passing the ball
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 02, 2011, 11:50:50 PM
LeBron's lesson tonight: you are the best shooter and player on the court.  Take the last shot.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 02, 2011, 11:53:33 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 02, 2011, 11:50:50 PM
LeBron's lesson tonight: you are the best shooter and player on the court.  Take the last shot.

That's not the lesson. That pass was actually the right move. The lesson is don't take all those shit shots before that. Wade should have taken more shots in the 4th anyway. He was clearly the hotter player. Lebron suddenly fell in love with taking off balance late in the shot clock three's on that run to try to get a dagger or something. fucking drive. Or Drive and dish. Very poor decisions. I blame Lebron and spolestra for that game. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Mandark on June 02, 2011, 11:57:55 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 02, 2011, 11:50:50 PM
LeBron's lesson tonight: you are the best shooter and player on the court.  Take the last shot.

Wait, Chalmers missed that 3?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 02, 2011, 11:58:06 PM
:bow Mavs :bow2
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 03, 2011, 12:03:18 AM
Bububu Lebron and D-Wade are the best finishers in the league. Thousands of rich retirees are stunned.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2011, 12:11:57 AM
LeBron made the right decision to pass, but that didn't make it less funny, given his obsession all game with fade away 3s


(http://i.imgur.com/LMDGK.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2011, 12:16:26 AM
Even Dirk when it counted who's a world class shooter didn't just settle for a long jumper. He went inside for a higher percentage shot. Not sure why Lebron thought jacking up low percentage threes was the way to generate offense there at the end. 

But I'm glad this happened. Turned what was looking like a possible sweep into a competitive series. Next game will be huge. Dallas crowd will be jacked. The pressure is now on Miami to respond in kind. If they are a championship team they will. If they aren't they won't.

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2011, 12:21:36 AM
best thing about the game (Steve Nash's gf) revealed
http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2011/06/video-brittany-richardson-the-lady-reading-steve-nashs-text-messages/

good lord
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 03, 2011, 12:29:11 AM
Nash got divorced?

Huge chokejob by the Heat.  The sloppy D and casual shots finally caught up with them at the end. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Mandark on June 03, 2011, 12:32:45 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2011, 12:16:26 AM
Even Dirk when it counted who's a world class shooter didn't just settle for a long jumper.

Yes he did!  Unless shots in tie games in the Finals with less than a minute to go don't "count".
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 03, 2011, 12:42:50 AM
This game had the feel of Game 3 in the '06 playoffs.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 03, 2011, 12:52:04 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2011, 12:21:36 AM
best thing about the game (Steve Nash's gf) revealed
http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2011/06/video-brittany-richardson-the-lady-reading-steve-nashs-text-messages/

good lord

Dirk's got a new gf too:

(http://i.imgur.com/4om7n.jpg)

For comparison, pics of his last gf, who he was about to marry except she kinda went to prison:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://i.imgur.com/IW2GA.jpg)
[close]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 03, 2011, 01:24:35 AM
We'll see what happens.  Miami has been a pretty dynamite team away considering (3 losses of 6 games played away in the postseason), so Miami will surely take two in Dallas, I believe.  It's still Miami's series to lose, honestly: they had this game won all game until they relaxed against a better shooting team.  I think they'll realize they need to play a full game to win against this veteran Mavs team.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2011, 01:38:23 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 03, 2011, 01:24:35 AM
We'll see what happens.  Miami has been a pretty dynamite team away considering (3 losses of 6 games played away in the postseason), so Miami will surely take two in Dallas, I believe.  It's still Miami's series to lose, honestly: they had this game won all game until they relaxed against a better shooting team.  I think they'll realize they need to play a full game to win against this veteran Mavs team.

If I was a betting man I still would be going all in on the Heat although if the Mavs win the next game that may change. The Heat had come off a string of great performances so while I would never say they were due for this (because they clearly got rattled there which isn't a good sign) its also a bit too early to blow it out of proportion. The Heat need to treat every possession like gold late in the game which they had been doing a much better job of in the playoffs. That collapse looked like a lot of heat games I saw during the season where the offense can suddenly become stagnant as Lebron and Wade go one on 5. Bosh has to improve his play also. That's two shitty games in a row for him. He's way to tentative when he's getting the ball. He needs to go immediately and go hard instead of all this pump faking and head faking he's trying to do.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 03, 2011, 01:47:32 AM
Well, to be fair, that technique worked incredibly against the Bulls.  I'd guess he's been testing to see if that worked against the Mavs.  Obviously not.  He needs to fill a bigger role as a defender and distributor and let LeBron drive in. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2011, 01:50:08 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 03, 2011, 01:47:32 AM
Well, to be fair, that technique worked incredibly against the Bulls.  I'd guess he's been testing to see if that worked against the Mavs.  Obviously not.  He needs to fill a bigger role as a defender and distributor and let LeBron drive in. 

He mainly had shitty boozer on him in that series as the Bulls were more worried about Lebron and Wade. It seems like everytime now he's either getting blocked, stripped, or putting up a shot way too hard because he's scared of getting stripped or blocked.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 03, 2011, 01:53:30 AM
If Spoelstra was smart (lol), he'd have Bosh play further out while keeping Anthony as their main big, clearing up some space for LeBron/Wade to get in close to the basket.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: naff on June 03, 2011, 03:46:41 AM
God damn. Can't believe I missed this game  :'( Going to download and watch it anyway
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Mandark on June 03, 2011, 04:00:55 AM
Just rewatched the last six minutes.

Mavs defense (read: Shawn Marion) did a nice job down the stretch.  LeBron missed a couple 3's off the dribble and Wade missed one, but those were the result of 1) Marion poking the ball away on an iso when LeBron was looking to drive, 2) LeBron getting the ball with a couple seconds on the shot clock when his teammates were stymied, and 3) Chandler and Marion trapping LeBron on the pick-n-roll so that Wade had to come back almost to halfcourt to get the ball with eight seconds on the shot clock.

Probably could have used some better play calling on Miami's part, but credit where it's due.

Also, DAT PASS.  LeBron inbounds the ball with a chest pass across the width of the court so accurately that Chalmers can leave his feet set in place and still receive the ball right where he starts his shooting motion.  If people remember the play, it'll mostly be for Jason Terry's screw-up, but damn.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2011, 09:53:16 AM
Quote
Anatomy Of A Gilded Collapse
By John Hollinger
ESPN.com

MIAMI -- Fool's gold.

That's my two-word analysis of the Miami Heat's offense that got them a 1-0 series lead and 15-point edge midway through the fourth quarter of Game 2. With LeBron James and Dwyane Wade converting an unusually large number of bailout 3-point attempts and the Heat getting multiple easy baskets from their defense, it was easy to overlook the fact that Miami's half-court offense was struggling to consistently generate good shots.

That is, until the tap stopped flowing on bailout 3s and transition dunks, at which point it became abundantly clear that Miami's half-court offense was struggling to consistently generate good shots. Those facts go a long way toward explaining why the Heat won the highlight film but lost the basketball game.

"Offensively," Heat coach Erik Spoelstra said, "if we could have executed and moved the ball, we might have been able to stem the tide a little bit, even as poor as we were defensively down the stretch."

Forget about all the things Miami might have done wrong defensively, or the many ways you might second-guess the Heat's choices on the Dallas Mavericks' final possession. (Including but not limited to: Not giving the foul they still had in their back pocket, not double-teaming Dirk Nowitzki, not having Joel Anthony in the game, and not having Udonis Haslem on Nowitzki instead of Chris Bosh).

That's all important, obviously, but the fly in the punch bowl in this box score is the 14 combined 3-point attempts by Wade and James, part of the 30 that Miami launched as a team.

"To shoot 30 3s in a game is not our style of basketball," Spoelstra said, "and at the end of the game to not be able to execute and move the ball and find an open shot. We were running the clock down to the end. That's not been a successful formula for us the last three months."

And don't just focus on the fourth-quarter collapse, people -- look at the whole second half. Even before the death spiral at the end, Miami had only 23 points on 22 trips in their second-half half-court possessions; the Heat closed with five on their final 10 trips (not including Wade's heave at the buzzer), for a total of 28 points on 32 second-half possessions in the half court. That's not good enough.

Obviously, things went from bad to worse late in the fourth quarter, when Miami inexplicably became 3-point giddy. Again, I think the fool's gold was a big reason. Up til that point, James and Wade were a combined 10-of-17 on 3-pointers and had to be feeling good about their strokes.

And then the Sample Size Gods smacked them down.

The Heat took nine 3-point tries in the final eight minutes, making only two of them; Wade's 3-pointer from the corner (begetting the posing and mugging that will fill the talk radio airwaves for 72 interminable hours til the start of Game 3) was the only one of the six attempts by either Wade or James that found the net.

Moreover, it took James and Wade away from the things they actually do well. With the fast-break game closed off by Dallas' sudden flurry of scoring, the Heat rarely got the ball near the basket. Miami took 10 jump shots from 15 feet or farther, had two turnovers where the ball never threatened to enter the paint, and had only two attempts with a genuine foray to the basket. One of them produced two free throws for James, Miami's only points in a stretch of nearly seven minutes, and the other was a short-range shot that he missed.

All this is a shame because, up til that point, Miami went up 15 by putting together 20 minutes of some of the best defense you'll ever see. Starting with the Heat down nine in the second quarter and James on the bench with three fouls, Miami forced 12 turnovers in a 20-minute span while surrendering a meager 21 points, allowing the Heat to build a seemingly insurmountable 15-point advantage.

Included in that stretch was perhaps the single best defensive trip of the playoffs -- when a series of Dallas passes pinged the ball all over the court, and a Miami player rotated to cut off a potential shot on every one of them. Despite exquisite ball movement, the Mavs ended up with a shot-clock violation.

Effort like that should be enough to bring home victory for Miami, because their offense should be good enough to generate decent looks consistently against Dallas. There's no reason for them to settle for hero shots by James and Wade on trip after trip. But they did, and one has to suspect the fool's gold results of their first 17 3-point attempts in the series were a big reason why. As a result, a Finals that should have been in Miami's back pockets now stands in genuine doubt.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2011, 11:58:10 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRD1kCXL170&feature=feedu[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 03, 2011, 01:10:43 PM
I want the Mavs to win just so Colin Cowherd will SHUT UP.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 03, 2011, 01:36:19 PM
watched the game at ch1nchilla's place. Most triumphant. :bow Dirk :bow2

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2011, 03:10:09 PM
I had been calling my brother pretty much after every game since the Celtics series started (he's a Celtics fan) to rub it in and gloat about how well the Heat were playing.

There was no call today...
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2011, 06:11:04 PM
LIKE A BOSH.


Quote
DALLAS -- It’s probably not a good sign when you’re in the middle of your first NBA Finals and you’re thinking about the time you shot 1-for-18 in a game. But that’s where Chris Bosh is right now.

Before the Heat’s first practice in Dallas on Saturday, Bosh stood before the media and assured everyone that he will bounce back in Game 3 after shooting 26 percent in his first two games of the series.

How does he know that? In his mind, he has been here before. No, not in the Finals, but mentally, this is familiar territory. Back in late February against the Chicago Bulls, the Heat power forward endured one of the worst shooting nights in NBA history, missing 17 of his 18 shots from the floor. Those memories came rushing back after another off shooting night in Game 2.

“This is the Finals, and I have to really use what I’ve learned in crucial situations,” Bosh said Saturday. “I just have to trust in myself. I know I can play the game."

Bosh’s shooting woes have erased all the positive momentum that he built during an impressive Eastern Conference finals in which he shot a blistering 60 percent from the floor while averaging 23.2 points per game. On Saturday, Bosh said he sets his bar at 50 percent. If he shoots above that threshold, he’s satisfied. If he doesn’t, he beats himself up over it. Considering he’s barely shooting half that here in the Finals, he has a lot to think about heading into Game 3.

What has been the main cause of his off-target shooting?

This isn’t just a product of missing midrange jumpers. While he’s shot just 3-for-11 this series on long 2-pointers, the real issue is the chip shots around the basket. Inside 10 feet, he has shot a putrid 5-for-21 (24 percent), which is an area in which he converted 57 percent of his attempts during the regular season.

In Game 2, nearly every big man on the Mavericks roster got a chance to guard Bosh. While Tyson Chandler was responsible for the majority of assignments, Bosh also went against Dirk Nowitzki, Brendan Haywood, Shawn Marion, Peja Stojakovic and even Brian Cardinal in Thursday’s loss. And the only player Bosh looked comfortable against was the 33-year-old Stojakovic, who looked stiffer than a telephone pole when Bosh juked him on the right baseline in the first quarter.

Other than that play, Bosh looked rushed and off-balance. When Bosh is at his best, he’s calm and collected, attacking with poise and calculated movement. On a wide-open jumper with five minutes left in the fourth quarter, Bosh hurried his launch and nearly missed everything as the shot clock expired. From that point on, the Heat offense completely ignored him.

It’s no coincidence that the Heat offense degenerated in the final minutes of the game, a span of time during which Bosh never got a shot off. The Heat’s offense used to be anchored around Bosh in the high post, but in Thursday’s game he touched the ball as part of a half-court set just five times in entire quarter. Bosh didn’t make the most of his few touches, either.

On one play in the final frame, Bosh tried to get Chandler off his feet with an assortment of pump fakes, but Bosh ended up losing the ball off his knee, turning the ball over to the Mavericks. Another time, he tried to take Chandler baseline but lost control of his dribble and the ball sputtered out of bounds with 2:53 remaining in the game.

Bosh insists that these miscues and misfires are behind him. But there’s still reason to be concerned since Chandler isn’t going anywhere. Chandler, who stands a solid 7-foot-1, has largely neutralized Bosh, not falling for his up-fakes and contesting without fouling. In Kevin Garnett and Joakim Noah, Bosh has faced premier defenders before, but Chandler, who finished third in the defensive player of the year voting, ranks as the tallest and strongest defender that Bosh has drawn in the playoffs.

For Bosh to be successful, he must do a better job of drawing contact on Chandler without worrying about getting blocked. Bosh only drew one whistle on Chandler the entire night off an offensive move. With a gimpy Haywood as Chandler’s only legitimate backup, Bosh’s aggressiveness against Chandler becomes even more imperative.

If Bosh turns it around on Sunday, many will attribute it to coming home and playing in front of his family and friends. As we all know by now, Bosh was born and raised in Dallas, but the homegrown Texan has maintained that he hasn’t let the homecoming become a distraction. Bosh needs to forget about the environment and stay focused around the rim and stay assertive, regardless of how many errant shots he made in the first two games of the series.

He has bounced back before, and the Heat need him to be a focal point of the offense again, not an afterthought as he was in the final minutes of Game 2.

“I know I am capable of big games,” Bosh said. “I just have to let it happen.”

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoopmiamiheat/post/_/id/8405/how-chris-bosh-bounces-back-in-game-3
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2011, 09:14:57 PM
Damn it. I missed the first half. I thought the game started at 9 instead of 8.

edit: quickly looking at the box score, I see Bosh is already 2 of 9.  :maf
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: etiolate on June 05, 2011, 09:18:36 PM
Mavs were sloppy in the first half, forcing passes and reaching instead of moving their bodies. The Heat were pretty tight and getting to the hole. When the lead got big, Mavs got some calls. I am not sure what to expect in the second, because I know the Mavs can play better but I am not sure they will. They look a little lax.

Hysterical flopping at the end of the half though.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2011, 09:56:07 PM
Marion and Chandler are playing some hellacious defense.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2011, 10:08:24 PM
On a side note, has there been a single Asian person in a commercial that wasn't advertising some type of technology/gadget?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2011, 10:37:21 PM
Bosh is beyond useless.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2011, 10:38:44 PM
Dirk is crazy hot.

Dirk versus Wade.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2011, 10:40:21 PM
Also Miami has gotten screwed with some calls late in this game.

Conspiracy theory fail again.

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 05, 2011, 10:44:36 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2011, 10:40:21 PM
Also Miami has gotten screwed with some calls late in this game.

Conspiracy theory fail again.

But that was definitely traveling there.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2011, 10:45:10 PM
Miami FT:12-15   
Personal Fouls:27



Dallas FT:22-27   
Personal Fouls:14

Conspiracy theory blown #2.

Looks like it will come down to this final Dallas possession.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2011, 10:47:00 PM
That was crazy close.

I admit when Dirk got that shot off I thought it was going in.

Lebron really disappeared in that 4th quarter. Thank god for Wade.

Bosh played like shit in that second half but he did hit that very late shot.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: etiolate on June 05, 2011, 10:51:57 PM
this was one of those invisible Lebron games that killed Cleveland
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Mandark on June 05, 2011, 10:52:10 PM
Glad Bosh hit that baseline jumper.  Redeemed himself from passing up that one before (and damn but he looked like a guy with no confidence at that point).
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2011, 10:57:42 PM
Quote from: Mandark on June 05, 2011, 10:52:10 PM
Glad Bosh hit that baseline jumper.  Redeemed himself from passing up that one before (and damn but he looked like a guy with no confidence at that point).

He's the most nervous guy I've seen play basketball in years. You can see the wheels spinning in his head every time he touches the ball and almost read the thought bubble which is  "Please god, don't let me screw this up".

I actually do feel sorry for him if its possible to feel sorry for a millionaire sports athlete.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Flannel Boy on June 05, 2011, 11:02:20 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on June 01, 2011, 12:03:19 AM
Players like Peja, Terry, and JJ can't be counted on to do shit in the Finals.
.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Mandark on June 05, 2011, 11:05:29 PM
Funny how fans of different franchises start to take on certain characteristics.  A Lakers fan is convinced that his team is going to get the best player on the market and head right back to the finals.  A Mavs fan only shows up after a heartbreaking loss.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: etiolate on June 05, 2011, 11:05:40 PM
I thought they(that crew) would show up at home for the Mavs but they were just ordinary tonight. Terry kinda blew that late possession with Dirk scoring every time.

It's been Dirk, Kidd, Marion and Chandler for the Mavs doing most everything.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2011, 11:08:22 PM
Chandler has been amazing imo. His boxscore might not be amazing but he anchors that team on defense and sets the tone for everything. Dallas really got a steal there.
He changes the identity of that team on defense. 

This was Barea's best game imo and he still struggled.

He's 5 of 23 for the series.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2011, 11:15:33 PM
I guess the refs/Stern want to ensure 5-6 games to get as much revenue as possible from the arenas/TV!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: pilonv1 on June 05, 2011, 11:18:33 PM
I hate this series :(
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 06, 2011, 01:19:36 AM
To cut Bosh a small bit of slack he did have the eye thing happen.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6630071
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 06, 2011, 09:09:01 AM
LIKE A BOSH!

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh_ciV0eDeQ&feature=feedu[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XKS4u_k8Zo&feature=feedu[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzyUQD2uOM8&feature=feedu[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 06, 2011, 10:36:28 AM
Last night was just ugly, for both teams.  No one REALLY showed up except the star players for each: Dirk and Wade.  LeBron was awful last night - he looked scared to drive.

Also the refs were putrid.  Those awful loose ball fouls were bullshit.  I hope the Heat just blow the Mavs out next game, but it won't happen.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 06, 2011, 12:43:13 PM
I expected LeBron to come out very aggressive after his post-game 2 comments. To be fair his first FGs were mainly drives, but after that he kind of disappeared offensively; he's doing a damn good job on defense, although Himu could probably guard Terry given how shitty he's playing.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 07, 2011, 03:11:01 AM
Mark Jackson named warriors head coach.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6632935
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Mandark on June 07, 2011, 03:32:28 AM
Good for him!  Though I'll selfishly miss his commentating.

Also, for all this talk of LeBron not showing up or whatever, he had a bunch of assists in the second half and he got killed for taking all the big shots in the game before.  I think there's a bit of storytelling going on.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2011, 03:54:14 AM
J.A. Adande's piece was good. All you need to know is that Jason Terry was an utter non-factor and that LeBron still produced. That's plenty. Also: Wade was clearly having some alpha male issues in that game.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 07, 2011, 10:59:09 PM
Wade is going off in this series. And finally Bosh having a good game.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2011, 10:59:40 PM
Holy shit that lob should count for 5 points
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 07, 2011, 11:25:10 PM
Miami offense falling apart in the 4th quarter. Another sub-par offensive game from Lebron.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 07, 2011, 11:34:57 PM
Dallas is missing tons of open shots, too.

Intense shit though
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 07, 2011, 11:38:13 PM
Wade has just been awful from the free throw line in the playoffs. I feel like I've seen him miss a ton of them.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2011, 11:41:05 PM
Time for Bron Bron to shine
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 07, 2011, 11:41:34 PM
:bow Dirk :bow2
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2011, 11:43:40 PM
God Caron Butler looks like That dude from Onyx/The Wire
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 07, 2011, 11:47:01 PM
Nice ball-handling skills there, Wade. :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2011, 11:47:22 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 07, 2011, 11:47:29 PM
Yuck. Another Miami collapse in the 4th. All the Heat played like crap in that quarter including Wade unfortunately.


Tyson Chandler played another beast game.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: bachikarn on June 07, 2011, 11:48:00 PM
what the fuck was that
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 07, 2011, 11:48:11 PM
so

fucking

awesome
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 07, 2011, 11:50:06 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 07, 2011, 11:47:29 PM
Yuck. Another Miami collapse in the 4th. All the Heat played like crap in that quarter including Wade unfortunately.

(http://somewhatmanlynerd.com/avatars/nolanryanlaugh.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Mandark on June 07, 2011, 11:51:16 PM
Jesus, that game.  Dallas in the 4th quarter with one great offensive possession after another and NONE OF THEM WENT IN.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: etiolate on June 07, 2011, 11:51:51 PM
great game by chandler

wade... well... he owes dallas karma
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 07, 2011, 11:53:59 PM
I know I sound like a broken record but I blame Spoelstra for that game again. I just don't understand how he can't get his team to execute when it counts in this series. I always feel the Heat win despite Spolelstra rather than because of anything he does in the game.

Carlisle helps makes the Mavericks better than what they are. He's a +1. I don't feel Spolestra adds anything. In fact by not doing much he's actually a pretty big negative.


I'm still waiting for the first time they ever cut to Spoelstra in a huddle and he actually says something useful that doesn't feel like he cribbed it from a motivational speech he saw in Hoosiers or something. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 07, 2011, 11:55:19 PM
Apparently Dirk was playing sick in this game, still managed to have a pretty good game despite that.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Mandark on June 08, 2011, 12:00:00 AM
Coaching the NBA, like acting and rapping, is something everyone figures they could do.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 08, 2011, 12:00:54 AM
Quote
sportsguy33Bill Simmons

Mavs look like a beaten group in the huddle right now. I think the 2011 trophy can take its talents to South Beach. This is done.

47 minutes ago

 :P
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 08, 2011, 12:06:25 AM
Heat let another slip away. Why isn't james taking the last shot?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 08, 2011, 12:10:10 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on June 08, 2011, 12:06:25 AM
Heat let another slip away. Why isn't james taking the last shot?

He was having a poor shooting night. Wade was by far the hotter player so arguably he should have taken the shot anyway. I didn't really see the set-up but the annoucers said it looked like it was potentially set-up for Wade to dish to Lebron though.  The bobbled inbound pass makes it all moot anyway.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Mandark on June 08, 2011, 12:16:16 AM
Fans, y u obsess over last shot?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 08, 2011, 12:19:34 AM
Crazy close series though.

The biggest margin of victory was in the first game 92-84 and that was a close ball game for most of it.

The rest have been
95-93
88-86
86-83
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 08, 2011, 08:39:33 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 08, 2011, 12:10:10 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on June 08, 2011, 12:06:25 AM
Heat let another slip away. Why isn't james taking the last shot?

He was having a poor shooting night. Wade was by far the hotter player so arguably he should have taken the shot anyway. I didn't really see the set-up but the annoucers said it looked like it was potentially set-up for Wade to dish to Lebron though.  The bobbled inbound pass makes it all moot anyway.

What LeBron had was FAR beyond a bad shooting night. It was a NON-shooting night. He was totally detached for most of the game, in a way that surpassed even game 5 against Boston last year. Never seen anything quite like that. He didn't look tired...or injured...or angry at his teammates...or frustrated by the defense. He just looked vacant and disinterested. Mind-boggling. I can't even speculate as to why.

Carlisle indeed made some killer rotation adjustments in this game. If only the Mavs were making more of these great looks they're getting, he'd look like a friggin' genius. The switching in and out of the zone D is obviously confusing the fuck out of Miami too (which is bizarre because they should be able to pass out of it easy...).
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 08, 2011, 09:28:41 AM
Dirk Nowitzki vs LeBron James
4th Quarter This Series
Nowitzki        James
FG   12-24    3-12
FT   18-18    3-3
Reb   14           7
Pts   44           9

All I can suggest is that Wade's various comments about being the leader and referring to 'my team' etc rubbed LeBron the wrong way, and he pulled a Kobe in gm. 7 vs the Suns in 2006 as revenge. But looking at those numbers suggests this is not just a one-game slump, at least in the 4th quarter. 2 and a quarter pts in the 4Q of a series this close! That's pretty bad if you're the best player on the planet. I SOOOOO want the Mavs to beat these guys now, it's not even funny.

(btw no-one is mentioning it but Wade was the best player on the court tonight, just sick. Well, technically Dirk was sick as well of course...)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 08, 2011, 09:36:43 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pH5ECFv_IhU&feature=feedu[/youtube]

My take is that Lebron was trying to be a facilitator that game.  But the problem with that is he still has to get minimum 20 points in a game. That has to be his floor. Nothing less. Even if he puts up a bad shooting night or isn't feelling it on the shooting end his worse is still better than anybody's else best other than Wade on the team.

I also go back to the issue imo that it hurts Lebron not to have a real post up game or play with his back to the basket that is anything other than fade away jumpers. He is having a bit of trouble taking guys off the dribble in this series so he needs other ways to manufacture offense.

 

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 08, 2011, 10:50:24 AM
well, I think the chances of him having another game as bad as that are even remoter than the chances of Dirk having another game like gm. 1 against OKC, so you can probably relax. It's just bizarre though - watching the replay now, I'm seeing him getting stopped cold by Jason Kidd and getting clowned by Terry. Shouldn't be happening unless there is something wrong mentally.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 08, 2011, 11:55:50 AM
Quote
Nothing like a little fourth-quarter drama to bring in eyeballs.

Game 4 of the NBA Finals, in which the Dallas Mavericks used a late run to trump LeBron James and the Miami Heat 86-83 -- delivered an 11.1 overating rating, the championship series' highest in seven years, according to overnight Nielsens.

The broadcast hit its peak with a 15.5 in the scintillating late moments from 11:30 to 11:45 p.m. ET.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2011, 01:02:58 PM
Dunno, seems like Wade's comments+the media questioning his's lackluster (offensive) production would result in LeBron being more aggressive or reckless - not more passive. I dunno, it's some weird shit
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 08, 2011, 01:08:40 PM
I don't tend to try to analyze things on that level. I think often times people just have off games or on games. And its less about what we think it is meaning personality drama.

Whatever the case is he's definitely had a couple of poor games in this series. Wade had a poor series the last one but Lebron is arguably having a worse series in this one.

My guess is that he's simply being too tentative in some cases and too careless in others. Maybe's he's reacting to the poor shots he took down the stretch in that one game, but the solution for that is to be aggressive and get better shots on the inside rather than waiting for the perfect shot. He's also been getting up in the air in the last few games with no clear idea of a plan which isn't good.

If I was a betting man I would still be on the Heat. 3 games left. 2 of them in Miami. But last night was the first real time I thought the Mavs have a decent actual real chance of winning the series. They have strengths I didn't anticipate. 

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2011, 01:43:25 PM
Pistons short list includes Isiah Thomas
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6636897

Why does Joe Dumars still have a job? How many poor coach hires is he allowed to make, how many times is he allowed to hold onto players too long, how many cases of him siding with players over coaches must happen, etc.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 08, 2011, 01:46:47 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2011, 01:43:25 PM
Pistons short list includes Isiah Thomas
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6636897

Why would anyone want to hire Isiah Thomas?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 08, 2011, 03:02:25 PM
(http://i54.tinypic.com/219xycx.jpg)

Jason Terry's got Lebron scared.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2011, 06:11:56 PM
whoa whoa why is Bruce Bowen wearing a bowtie on ESPN  :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 08, 2011, 10:59:30 PM
Some mind-numbingly dumb commentary from ESPN  :yuck

Quote
He's managed to average 26.5 points a game although his shooting percentage is at a playoff-low 42.5 percent against the smothering Heat defense. Even with the damaged finger, Nowitzki has increased his rebounding this series to 10.3 a game, more than two above his average in the previous two series.

Hey, you know why some guys get more rebounds in some games? BECAUSE THERE ARE MORE MISSED SHOTS. You don't really think Kevin Love is the greatest rebounder since Dennis Rodman, do you?  ::)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 08, 2011, 11:12:16 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 08, 2011, 10:59:30 PM
Some mind-numbingly dumb commentary from ESPN  :yuck

Quote
He's managed to average 26.5 points a game although his shooting percentage is at a playoff-low 42.5 percent against the smothering Heat defense. Even with the damaged finger, Nowitzki has increased his rebounding this series to 10.3 a game, more than two above his average in the previous two series.

Hey, you know why some guys get more rebounds in some games? BECAUSE THERE ARE MORE MISSED SHOTS. You don't really think Kevin Love is the greatest rebounder since Dennis Rodman, do you?  ::)

I think what they meant to say was: Lebron James almost had a Triple-Double last night. Greatest player ever. :bow2
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 08, 2011, 11:15:59 PM
Lebron James is just grateful it was an away game so he wasn't wearing light-colored shorts
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Beezy on June 08, 2011, 11:27:53 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: etiolate on June 09, 2011, 03:13:31 PM
I think the issue with Lebron is that he's playing smaller than Wade not that he isn't scoring like Wade. If he thinks Wade is hot and is letting him take the shots then that makes sense, but there's a lot more Lebron can do than just initiating the offense and then sitting outside the 3pt line. Being a high post guy, a post option against people like Terry or just keeping Chandler off the boards. These all would make things easier for Wade, but there's too much waiting for the 3 by Lebron.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Mandark on June 09, 2011, 04:03:42 PM
Eh, LeBron's had one bad game and people are freaking.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2011, 07:26:02 PM
but his LEGACY is on the line tonight Mandark
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2011, 09:30:49 PM
Wade out, time for Pippen to shine!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 09, 2011, 09:37:04 PM
Chalmers hits another half court shot, damn
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2011, 09:43:07 PM
Close game so far. Miami defense not looking good so far though.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 09, 2011, 09:53:03 PM
I'm sick of defense, though.  This game has been all offense and that's awesome.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2011, 10:16:07 PM
Decent first half for Lebron but he's lost confidence in his outside shot.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 09, 2011, 10:17:53 PM
Yeah, it's kind of sad, he was hitting almost everything in the Bulls series.  It's a shame.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2011, 10:20:26 PM
Dallas is a tough team. Even though the game was close the entire first half I feel like the Mavs are the ones in control.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 09, 2011, 10:23:21 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2011, 10:20:26 PM
Dallas is a tough team. Even though the game was close the entire first half I feel like the Mavs are the ones in control.

The Mavs are back against the wall, no matter that the series is currently tied. If they lose tonight, the series is pretty much done; no way they take two in a row in Miami, I think. But they've got a good shot at taking one, especially in a Game 7 situation where everything starts to get a little weird. I'd say they know all this pretty well are going to put everything they've got into winning tonight.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 09, 2011, 10:41:52 PM
oh my god at that dirk rainbow three
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2011, 10:44:27 PM
I'm a little surprised Wade can't go. This is a huge game. His presence out there alone helps even if he isn't 100%.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: etiolate on June 09, 2011, 10:44:58 PM
that shot was crazy
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 09, 2011, 10:46:48 PM
Wade is testing Lebron, obviously

/retardedmediastorylines
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 09, 2011, 11:14:23 PM
this series  :heartbeat
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2011, 11:26:10 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 09, 2011, 11:14:23 PM
this series  :heartbeat

Pretty amazing series. Lebron has played much much better tonight. Some great Miami passes in this one.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2011, 11:36:30 PM
Dallas in control. Gonna take this one and go up 3-2. Huge.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 09, 2011, 11:37:51 PM
God this is FUCKING AWESOME
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 09, 2011, 11:38:04 PM
triple double for him, but he cannot do shit in this 4th quarter.

le sigh.  LeBron should stop shooting 3s, he never makes them.  and the mavs are hitting everything
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 09, 2011, 11:40:34 PM
Bosh can't cut it to one possession. :rock

OMG Jason Terry :rock
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 09, 2011, 11:40:49 PM
DAGGER
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 09, 2011, 11:41:19 PM
fuck this game  :-\
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 09, 2011, 11:41:31 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 09, 2011, 11:41:19 PM
fuck this game  :-\

:patel
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 09, 2011, 11:42:29 PM
terry:

(http://imnotatoy.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/idghcs.gif)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 09, 2011, 11:43:35 PM
incredible
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 09, 2011, 11:43:37 PM
Stunned nation discovers that the Heat's poop does stink. More as it develops.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 09, 2011, 11:44:21 PM
Mavs have really stepped up top to bottom. Terry's playing great, JJ Barea has finally started getting into the game, a key rejection from Chandler. Good stuff all around.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 09, 2011, 11:46:52 PM
Lebron James with the Triple Double, GOAT :bow2
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2011, 11:47:14 PM
Mavs were crazy from 3 point range tonight. 13-19. 68%.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: etiolate on June 09, 2011, 11:47:21 PM
Mavs hittin deep threes

other team is doomed
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2011, 11:59:08 PM
I no longer feel this series is about what Miami is doing wrong but is about what Dallas is doing right. That Miami defense just doesn't work the same against a team like this that can pass and shoot three's. In fact it often makes them look flat-footed and slow. We know they aren't slow. So its just they are doing an amazing job.

Chandler has shut down Wade and Lebron driving. Miami offense isn't consistent enough to hold or maintain leads. And the Mavs offense is incredibly efficient down the stretch because it mostly involves them being in the penalty or giving it to Dirk who tends to get fouled and is automatic from the free throw line.

Anything is possible in these last two games. I mean last Year the Lakers were in the exact same situation and won but I think the Heat are in a much weaker position by comparison simply based on how they play.

The one thing you can say is its unlikely for the Mavs to shoot that well on offense again but arguably you could say the same thing about miami.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2011, 12:01:05 AM
Another Heat fourth quarter meltdown. LeBron had a pretty good game, but once again didn't produce (offensively) in the fourth either.

I still think Miami can win the next two games though
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 10, 2011, 12:08:33 AM
In a single postseason, the Mavs have:

-Ended four years of first-round [and one second round] exits from the playoffs
-Dispelled the stigma that they're soft and can't win big games
-Dispelled the belief that Dirk is only good at outside shooting
-Come closer to winning a championship than ever before.

All the need is one more win, and they've got two chances to get it.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2011, 12:10:52 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 10, 2011, 12:08:33 AM
In a single postseason, the Mavs have:

-Ended four years of first-round [and one second round] exits from the playoffs
-Dispelled the stigma that they're soft and can't win big games
-Dispelled the belief that Dirk is only good at outside shooting
-Come closer to winning a championship than ever before.

All the need is one more win, and they've got two chances to get it.

Conspiracy won't allow it. Stern has only allowed this to make it that much more sweet when the Heat finally win.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 10, 2011, 12:12:12 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2011, 12:10:52 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 10, 2011, 12:08:33 AM
In a single postseason, the Mavs have:

-Ended four years of first-round [and one second round] exits from the playoffs
-Dispelled the stigma that they're soft and can't win big games
-Dispelled the belief that Dirk is only good at outside shooting
-Come closer to winning a championship than ever before.

All the need is one more win, and they've got two chances to get it.

Conspiracy won't allow it. Stern has only allowed this to make it that much more sweet when the Heat finally win.

Stern and his cronies can't stop the Dirk Express.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 10, 2011, 12:16:24 AM
Interesting bit of trivia from ESPN:

Quote
The closeness of this series can be looked at not just by games, but by quarters. 12 of the 20 quarters in the NBA Finals have been decided by 2 points, 1 point or tied. The average margin per quarter in the first 5 games is 2.7 points, which would be the lowest in the Finals during the shot clock era by a wide margin
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 10, 2011, 12:31:46 AM
I'm still in shock, I still can't believe the Mavs had the sheer cojones to do what they've done during these playoffs. From Game 3 of the first round when they blew a 23-point lead to Portland until now, it's like who is this team? I've never seen them before. They're pushing guys around, they're talking smack, they're coming back from behind, they're closing games, they're just flat refusing to lose. It's incredible.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 10, 2011, 10:50:13 AM
Quote from: Mandark on June 09, 2011, 04:03:42 PM
Eh, LeBron's had one bad game and people are freaking.

ok to freak now?

I mean, normally I'd totally agree with you about one game, even in a must-win situation. But this one? 

I'm starting to think James is just afraid of getting his shot blocked. Like he's more afraid of being embarrassed than of losing. When he plays Dwight Howard, he stays well out of the paint unless he's in transition and Howard is safely behind him. For some reason, he seems to be respecting Chandler almost as much. He should be beating these double teams at least half the time, not just passing out of them. He should be dunking on Chandler at least some of the time, and getting fouled more often than he gets his shot blocked. It's inexplicable to me in terms of what is happening on the court, because the Mavs are not playing him THAT well. They're playing solid team defense, but it's not enough to shut him down like this. There is something in his head that is working against him. We saw it in Boston just days after he single-handedly destroyed that team, seemingly proving that they couldn't contain him any longer. He made a lot of solid, even smart plays tonight but never displayed more than 50% of his talent or ability. It's baffling to me. It sort of feels like I wasted my time watching him all these years because with the exception of that Boston game, he has never done anything like this before. Again, he never even looked TIRED tonight. Or even frustrated. Or even cotton-mouthed like Bosh. He just looked kinda vacant. We are officially in the Twilight Zone; if this keeps up, the Mavs are going to win. In 6. It makes no sense but there it is.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 10, 2011, 10:59:03 AM
Also, the League Pass was totally inaccessible for hours tonight. I ended up watching the game on the iPad, which is the same service but seems to run off different servers. This is the first problem there has been all season, so I'm guessing the ratings for gm 5 are going to be fucking INSANE.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Mandark on June 10, 2011, 02:37:58 PM
I didn't have a problem with how he was playing to start the 4th quarter.  They came back in large part because he was drawing in the defense and finding guys for open layups.  If the defense is overcommitting to a player, even the best player in the league, take advantage of it (remember that PHO-DAL series where the Mavs would double either Nash or Amare during a game, so the other one would go off for 40 points?).

But then he was taking 3's off the dribble and deferring to Wade, the "hero ball" stuff Tom Haberstroh was warning about, that worked for a bit in Game 1 and against the Bulls.  With Haywood injured, "let's get Tyson Chandler in foul trouble" should have been the first goal of a team with two of the best slashers in the league.

He'll have to play a lot more aggressive, especially if the Mavs keep making those end of the clock 3's.



PS This series shows how much the presence of even one ring works as a reputational shield.  Wade had a streak of three terrible performances against the Bulls and has screwed up in crunch time two games in a row in the Finals now.  The worst anyone said was "I bet he's carrying an injury we don't know about."
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2011, 02:48:13 PM
There is definitely a lot of areas to criticize Lebron's play in this finals series but I do kinda agree with Mandark in that sense that the criticism should be based on things actually going on and a balanced view rather than fitting preconceived media narratives that I so often see the media doing. (Not aimed at you Cormacaroni. But at media agenda setters)

I thought he played well last night outside of those long distance 4th quarter shots when it was clear that he didn't trust his jumper but took the shots anyway.

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: etiolate on June 10, 2011, 03:13:27 PM
Considering his hype and the media's own hype, the criticism has been mild. It's a pattern in the playoffs that any other big time player would get crap for. It does help to have a ring, but he doesn't.

Mostly, I think this shows that the Heat never found a way during the season to run a halfcourt offense that gets the best out of both Wade and Lebron. When Wade was out, Lebron was doing his game and getting the offense to work. When Wade returned, he went back to the 3pt line and lingered there.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Mandark on June 10, 2011, 03:45:55 PM
Quote from: etiolate on June 10, 2011, 03:13:27 PM
Considering his hype and the media's own hype, the criticism has been mild.

*spit take*
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 10, 2011, 03:48:15 PM
Hey Mandark, I heard that if you ask Lebron for a dollar, he'll give you 75 cents but he'll never give you the fourth quarter.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Mandark on June 10, 2011, 03:54:25 PM
http://www.wizznutzz.com/labels/Shoes.html  <-- Relevant, I think.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 10, 2011, 06:21:34 PM
I am just so bewildered at why LeBron never, EVER goes into the paint.  One of the best players in the paint, and he NEVER goes in.  And the only times he does, he gets called with a charge or has to go to the line, where he's pretty terrible.  His balls are being squeezed by the Mavs defense, from the looks of it.  It's just so odd.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 11, 2011, 10:43:59 AM
Here's a little something for anybody that genuinely wants the Heat to win this series:

[youtube=560,345]e9BqUBYaHlM[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 11, 2011, 10:49:56 AM
meh. I genuinely want them to win although I'm fine with whoever wins. I don't mind hyperbole from sports dudes. This ain't politics.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 11, 2011, 11:00:27 AM
Came across that while reading a Bill Simmons article:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6649101/the-highs-lows-today-nba

It was actually pretty good.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 11, 2011, 11:03:00 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 11, 2011, 11:00:27 AM
Came across that while reading a Bill Simmons article:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6649101/the-highs-lows-today-nba

It was actually pretty good.

I like bill simmons. I'm probably one of the few in the thread who really do. I just often disagree with his notion of who the good guys are and who the bad guys are.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 11, 2011, 11:12:47 AM
well do you only read his basketball stuff? by most accounts that's his best material
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 11, 2011, 11:19:34 AM
Anyway, another Grantland article with an great paragraph:

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-Triangle/post/_/id/90/the-top-five-one-writers-sometimes-relevant-never-boring-breakdown-of-this-weeks-news

Quote
With the exception of that ignominious attempt in D.C. to quash Kwame Brown's career, Michael Jordan retired 13 years ago. And yet he remains the most influential presence in the modern NBA. Case in point: If Dirk Nowitzki were unable to play in Game 4 of the Finals due to a spiking fever, his legacy would have been tarnished all because of what Jordan did in Salt Lake City in '97. Jordan made it acceptable to marginalize illness as a mitigating factor in athletic performance, which, when you give it some thought, is both admirable and insane. Beyond that, he burdened the best players in the game with the notion that anything less than a fistful of rings and a sociopathic dedication to success is the equivalent of desultory failure. When you start to think about it, you realize that his bacon-necked spectre looms over every fourth quarter of every NBA Finals game of the modern era, and will do so for quite some time. Maybe this is what really drives LeBron into hiding.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 11, 2011, 10:17:39 PM
No, insane is Bill Walton and Kevin McHale shortening Hall of Fame careers by playing on a broken foot. Playing with the flu is only remarkable if you also play a classic game, like Jordan did.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 12, 2011, 01:35:17 PM
Either the heat win tonight or I go online in NBA 2k11 after the game and beat the mavericks with the heat online.

Either way I win!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Tears will be shed tonight)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 12, 2011, 03:37:10 PM
I dont see Wade letting the Mavs beat his team at his home court twice in a row.  Now, for Game 7?  All up in the air.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Tears will be shed tonight)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2011, 04:32:46 PM
Yea, desperate Heat+home cooking from the refs=win tonight.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Tears will be shed tonight)
Post by: Mandark on June 12, 2011, 04:57:19 PM
Home cooking from Steve Javie?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Tears will be shed tonight)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 12, 2011, 05:24:11 PM
It's better than Danny Crawford
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Tears will be shed tonight)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 12, 2011, 07:56:23 PM
Chalmers starting over Bibby tonight, thank you based god
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Tears will be shed tonight)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 12, 2011, 08:16:04 PM
LeBron: 4-4 already, one in the paint, three perfect jumpers.  9 points.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Tears will be shed tonight)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 12, 2011, 08:17:46 PM
Quote
I would praise LeBron but he has nothing to do with those shots going in.

I lol'd at this quote from gaf
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Tears will be shed tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 12, 2011, 08:18:18 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 12, 2011, 07:56:23 PM
Chalmers starting over Bibby tonight, thank you based god

And it only took an all the way until an elimination game before spoelstra realized bibby was playing like shit all playoffs and maybe he shouldn't start!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Tears will be shed tonight)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 12, 2011, 08:25:24 PM
nvm chalmers hurt  :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Tears will be shed tonight)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 12, 2011, 08:27:47 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 12, 2011, 08:16:04 PM
LeBron: 4-4 already, one in the paint, three perfect jumpers.  9 points.

Mr. 1st Quarter
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Tears will be shed tonight)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 12, 2011, 08:32:40 PM
james has too much of an ego.  stop trying to hit threes you fuck
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Tears will be shed tonight)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2011, 08:35:37 PM
Was Miami sloppy for the whole quarter? I only saw the last few minutes  :-\
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Tears will be shed tonight)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 12, 2011, 08:44:00 PM
No, they looked pretty much perfect for the first 6 minutes or so.  Then Chalmers let us all know that he can't play defense and Barea just shat on everyone.  Then Terry came in.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Tears will be shed tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 12, 2011, 08:44:42 PM
Heat are done. Mavs win title.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Tears will be shed tonight)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 12, 2011, 08:45:33 PM
this is fucking beautiful

it's not over yet, though. the game will be tied up by the 4th quarter
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 12, 2011, 08:50:51 PM
OMG Real Steel, I can't believe that's an actual thing. :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Tears will be shed tonight)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 12, 2011, 08:54:17 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 12, 2011, 08:44:42 PM
Heat are done. Mavs win title.

Thanks a lot, Stoney.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Tears will be shed tonight)
Post by: Mandark on June 12, 2011, 08:54:17 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 12, 2011, 08:44:42 PM
Heat are done. Mavs win title.

Way to go, Stoney.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 12, 2011, 08:54:33 PM
basketball sucks so much

why am i watching before the 4th quarter
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2011, 08:58:48 PM
Stern's going to suspend the entire Mavs team. Miami autowins title if they win tonight :smug
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 12, 2011, 08:58:56 PM
suspend everyone

mavs win by default
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2011, 09:04:40 PM
How is that a foul?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 12, 2011, 09:08:15 PM
Wait, who got suspended?  I went out for some groceries.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 12, 2011, 09:14:39 PM
The score doesn't even matter. This game feels exactly like the last two games. Dallas is playing a lot better no matter how close the game is. Miami better get a huge lead in the 3rd quarter (unlikely) or I think the exact same pattern will repeat itself. Dallas looks like a real basketball team. Miami doesn't. It's really that simple.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2011, 09:20:48 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 12, 2011, 09:14:39 PM
The score doesn't even matter. This game feels exactly like the last two games. Dallas is playing a lot better no matter how close the game is. Miami better get a huge lead in the 3rd quarter (unlikely) or I think the exact same pattern will repeat itself. Dallas looks like a real basketball team. Miami doesn't. It's really that simple.

I don't see the Mavs holding on if Dirk continues to struggle. LeBron is hitting shots and seems more aggressive, Chandler is in foul trouble...
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 12, 2011, 09:24:26 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2011, 09:20:48 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 12, 2011, 09:14:39 PM
The score doesn't even matter. This game feels exactly like the last two games. Dallas is playing a lot better no matter how close the game is. Miami better get a huge lead in the 3rd quarter (unlikely) or I think the exact same pattern will repeat itself. Dallas looks like a real basketball team. Miami doesn't. It's really that simple.

I don't see the Mavs holding on if Dirk continues to struggle. LeBron is hitting shots and seems more aggressive, Chandler is in foul trouble...

Dirk had a dreadful first half and the Mavs are winning. If that doesn't show the Mavs are a better team I don't know what does. I'd much rather be in the Mav's position at the moment playing the way they are rather than the heat.

It's not even this thing anymore where it's let's root for good old Dirk or this is an upset. I don't think this series is an upset anymore in the sense of one team is a lot better of a basketball team than the other. I legit think the Mavs are the better basketball team. Anything can happen in this second half but unless Wade AND Lebron turn in amazing second half performances they are going to get beat.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 12, 2011, 09:26:20 PM
Agree with Stoney 100%
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2011, 09:32:01 PM
I don't see the Mavs bench continuing to blow away the Heat, who aren't playing good defense. If Dirk continues to struggle and the Heat wake up on defense, they win. Chandler won't be effective in the third due to fouls.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 12, 2011, 09:38:37 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2011, 09:32:01 PM
I don't see the Mavs bench continuing to blow away the Heat, who aren't playing good defense. If Dirk continues to struggle and the Heat wake up on defense, they win. Chandler won't be effective in the third due to fouls.

People have waiting for the Heat defense to "wake up" all series. At a certain point some credit has to go to the offense for putting them to sleep.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 12, 2011, 09:43:52 PM
oh stoney  :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Mandark on June 12, 2011, 10:09:02 PM
I'd like to point out that I had Dallas 50/50 to lose to Portland in the first round.  In my face.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 12, 2011, 10:10:12 PM
Quote from: Mandark on June 12, 2011, 10:09:02 PM
I'd like to point out that I had Dallas 50/50 to lose to Portland in the first round.  In my face.

I think everybody did. Even Mavs fans. :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 12, 2011, 10:15:57 PM
Wade is going to try to win this by himself

Not that he has much choice
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2011, 10:20:04 PM
Heat are falling apart
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 12, 2011, 10:29:11 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on June 01, 2011, 12:03:19 AM
The Heat are a better, more athletic, and more talented team. Players like Peja, Terry, and JJ can't be counted on to do shit in the Finals.

Bottom line: The Heat have three of the four best players in the series--and they're all in their primes. How the fuck did anyone pick the Mavs (I'm a Mavs fan, and I sure didn't)?
:P
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 12, 2011, 10:30:51 PM
It's getting heated now
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 12, 2011, 10:32:15 PM
Congrats to the Mavs. The better team won. It can be analyzed in many different ways but it really just comes down to the better all around team winning. They usually do. People (myself included) suddenly seemed to forgot what we saw all throughout the season because of the Boston and Chicago series but that is the Heat. Those are the warts. Those are the problems they never really solved all season. It also doesn't help that the coach is way out of his league.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 12, 2011, 10:35:00 PM
Did Jason Terry get replaced by a pod creature?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 12, 2011, 10:37:20 PM
And now Dirk is hitting shots.

Yeah, it's over
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2011, 10:38:05 PM
I didn't expect the Heat to just fold. Their effort on the boards is embarrassing
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 12, 2011, 10:38:55 PM
This game would be tied if the Heat could actually make their free throw shots.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 12, 2011, 10:41:37 PM
Stern's rein of terror is over. Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 12, 2011, 10:43:34 PM
(http://www.otr.com/images/otrphotos/hindenburg1.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Mandark on June 12, 2011, 10:45:29 PM
Oh shit, Dirk with the reverse-Isaiah.  Not sticking around to be congratulated by the Heat.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 12, 2011, 10:47:05 PM
sports are amazing sometimes
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 12, 2011, 10:47:09 PM
:bow Mavs, Dirk, Germany :bow2

Sorry Lebron, Championships are for closers.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Mandark on June 12, 2011, 10:48:15 PM
You could see the Heat's body language deteriorate towards the end there.  Wade dribbling it off his foot and then that wide open finger roll by Barea.  That's when it seemed like there was no coming back.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 12, 2011, 10:48:55 PM
The team full of players rapidly moving out of their prime, who geared up for one last run at the rings they spent more than a decade and half or more not getting. They finally did it.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2011, 10:51:28 PM
Dirk left the court to check Malek's twitter updates
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: BlueTsunami on June 12, 2011, 10:54:37 PM
Quote from: Mandark on June 12, 2011, 10:48:15 PM
You could see the Heat's body language deteriorate towards the end there.  Wade dribbling it off his foot and then that wide open finger roll by Barea.  That's when it seemed like there was no coming back.

It was still well over a minute out too. I don't watch too much basketball but that seemed absolutely pitiful.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 12, 2011, 10:56:50 PM
Yeah, the Heat just flat gave up with more than a minute left on the clock.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 12, 2011, 10:57:23 PM
This tweet is amazing:

DownGoesBrown Down Goes Brown
And for the second time in eleven months, a team celebrates the 2011 NBA championship in Miami.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 12, 2011, 10:59:03 PM
Kidd just said he thinks he can come back for 2-3 more seasons.

Mavs three-peat? :omg
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 12, 2011, 11:01:09 PM
Since chocking away a huge lead to Portland in Game 4 on the opening series of the playoffs, the Mavs are 14-3.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 12, 2011, 11:01:23 PM
ESPN_Colin Colin Cowherd
Lebron deserves every bit of criticism he gets after this. He's scared to shoot. Anyone hear Spoelstra mention 'mental stability' WOW.
48 minutes ago

Up until Friday Cowherd was defending Lebron, now he gets thrown under the bus. :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Mandark on June 12, 2011, 11:02:21 PM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on June 12, 2011, 10:57:23 PM
This tweet is amazing:

DownGoesBrown Down Goes Brown
And for the second time in eleven months, a team celebrates the 2011 NBA championship in Miami.

Sick burn!
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 12, 2011, 11:03:47 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on June 12, 2011, 11:01:23 PM
ESPN_Colin Colin Cowherd
Lebron deserves every bit of criticism he gets after this. He's scared to shoot. Anyone hear Spoelstra mention 'mental stability' WOW.
48 minutes ago

Up until Friday Cowherd was defending Lebron, now he gets thrown under the bus. :lol


Uhhh, he tweeted just 7 hours ago:

ESPN_Colin Colin Cowherd
amazing how media is trapped in moment--Dirk hasn't defended anyone for 12 years. Average passer & rebounder. Now he's better than lebron.

ESPN_Colin Colin Cowherd
Ironic, until this playoff run, Dirk WAS exactly what his fans are claiming Lebron IS. A guy who couldn't close.

:rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 12, 2011, 11:04:39 PM
Now that I'm reading, actually up to 2 hours ago:

ESPN_Colin Colin Cowherd
Breaking news: entire Heat team except Lebron suspended for game 7. heat lose by one..lebron called choker.
2 hours ago

:lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 12, 2011, 11:05:26 PM
Can't wait to listen to The Herd tomorrow. :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 12, 2011, 11:10:14 PM
ESPN_Michelle Michelle Beadle
Hey buddy, @ESPN_Colin. Just checking on you. Commencing evil laugh in.....(We should do a show tomorrow, eh?)
45 minutes ago
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2011, 11:19:32 PM
I think we can put the Jordan comparisons to bed now. Dallas is a good defensive team with big bodies but that doesn't excuse his timid play. Jacking up threes doesn't make you a clutch player bro
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: BlueTsunami on June 12, 2011, 11:22:43 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on June 12, 2011, 11:10:14 PM
ESPN_Michelle Michelle Beadle
Hey buddy, @ESPN_Colin. Just checking on you. Commencing evil laugh in.....(We should do a show tomorrow, eh?)
45 minutes ago

Gonna be an awesome block of sports television tomorrow

Beadle :heart
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 12, 2011, 11:28:23 PM
Out of everybody on the Heat, the most disappointed has to be Bibby. He gave up $6 million to get a ring this year. :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 13, 2011, 12:32:18 AM
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Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 13, 2011, 12:37:25 AM
(not laughing at Bibby, just enjoying the moment here)

Great series, would have been a classic if LeBron hadn't completely choked it away over the last 3 games. Wonderful to see the Mavs get it done after making and allowing some of the craziest comebacks I've ever seen. :bow
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 13, 2011, 12:47:42 AM
Quote from: ESPN
For the series, James and Wade combined for 62 fourth-quarter points. Nowitzki, by himself, scored a total of 62 points in the fourth quarter of the series.

Clutch.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 13, 2011, 12:51:39 AM
I think Malek died from alcohol poisoning
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 13, 2011, 01:23:22 AM
Malek is getting someone pregnant tonight
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 13, 2011, 01:28:56 AM
He's just gonna rip off her flannel shirt and go to town. :rock
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 13, 2011, 01:31:12 AM
Lebron chose...poorly.

[youtube=560,345]6QTjZhYhliM[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 13, 2011, 01:35:42 AM
(http://i52.tinypic.com/10ds75d.jpg)
http://forums.projectcovo.com/showthread.php?t=3562881&page=4
 :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Beezy on June 13, 2011, 01:50:55 AM
I just want to say that this season was great. I don't know what I'm gonna do with myself if there's a lockout. I'll have to find a new hobby or something to fill the void.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 13, 2011, 01:52:34 AM
The turning point was in the  4th quarter when the Heat were within 4 (with 10 minutes left) and Barea hits a 3, Eddie House chucks up a three and misses, then in consecutive Heat possessions it went: Wade turnover, Chalmers missed 3, Haslem misses the tip, Wade turnover, Lebron miss, Wade miss.

Boom. 8 minutes to go and the Heat are down by 12.

 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 13, 2011, 02:26:17 AM
Quote from: Beezy on June 13, 2011, 01:50:55 AM
I just want to say that this season was great. I don't know what I'm gonna do with myself if there's a lockout. I'll have to find a new hobby or something to fill the void.

ch1nchilla and I are thinking the same thing. This season was the fucking shit, best one I've seen in over 10 years of dedicated watching. It had the added bonus for me of being the season that the International League Pass really became a top-notch product. I can always find other ways to fill my time, but the thought of a lock-out is killing me. At least we're not staring down the barrel of a 3-4 year Heat dynasty though.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: naff on June 13, 2011, 02:33:01 AM
Stoked for Dirk and Dallas. Amazing season :bow2 Gotta get me a league pass next year, earlier in the season I used a couple free trials and it was so hot
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 13, 2011, 02:33:57 AM
The finals were very impressive, and kind of changed my opinion on NBA basketball. I'll be paying more attention next season, whenever that is. Obviously I'm more concerned about the NFL lockout. I'm not too familiar with the NBA situation: is it as bad as the NFL owners/players dispute?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 13, 2011, 02:40:00 AM
the NBA has an actual issue to address, whereas the NFL lockout is just a bunch of dickwaving
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 13, 2011, 02:41:57 AM
dickwaving is serious business, apparently

[youtube=560,345]QRtMHBdo8bY[/youtube]
seriously?
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 13, 2011, 03:03:30 AM
what a terrible way to answer that question  :lol
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 13, 2011, 03:04:59 AM
reminds me of
[youtube=560,345]GlhOUyy4wbs[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 13, 2011, 03:25:42 AM
Once again a disappointing end to a NBA season.   Unlike last year, I've been refraining from posting in this thread because things have been going so well for the Heat and the Lakers finally got vanquished.  There've been lots of things I wanted to say but I didn't want to jinx it.  Too bad the Heat seems to have used up their luck by the end of game 3.  Everything has gone downhill since that game 4 collapse. 

As much as I have always admired Dirk and even Terry, I've been an even bigger fan of Lebron.   Even though Lebron is going to get his eventually, this one has got to hurt since it was right there for the taking.  I hope Lebron won't get so jaded by the criticisms that he decideds to just not give a crap anymore, like Vince Carter.  I don't think I can bear being a fan of a 2nd Vince Carter career. 

Still, congrats to Dallas and all their fans.  I'm also proud that J Kidd, the best player in the history of our alma matar, finally got his well deserved ring.  Best of all, we don't have hear anymore of PD's bs about Dirk's softness. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs vs Heat)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 13, 2011, 03:39:10 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2011, 03:54:14 AM
J.A. Adande's piece was good. All you need to know is that Jason Terry was an utter non-factor and that LeBron still produced. That's plenty. Also: Wade was clearly having some alpha male issues in that game.

I was gonna say don't fall for Adande's faint defense of Bron.   Whitlock and even Reilly wrote with much more substance and genuiance in their true defenses of Lebron, unlike Adande who was just stirring up the flames and setting up further angles to tear down the chosen one.  LA sportswriters, like all Kobe jockers, are only interested in Lebron's career because of how it would affect Kobe's legacy.  I watched game 4 with a bunch of Lakers fans and wanted to adminster a beatdown on most of them.  For the next couple of months,  I'm not even going to bother listening to the LA sports shows.  I already know that they'll be celebrating disgustingly like the Lakers have three peated.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Mandark on June 13, 2011, 05:20:52 AM
I think Adande's piece was actually a good take on how everything LeBron does (or fails to do) gets hyper-scrutinized, especially in the wake of the Heat actually winning game 3.  Didn't think it was any sort of triple-head fake designed to pump up Kobe several columns down the road.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 13, 2011, 05:45:00 AM
Looking back on the series, I have to say that Carlisle never once made me second-guess him with his substitutions. He even got good things out of Brian Cardinal! It may be a first for a coach to so consistently do the smart thing. This isn't just hindsight speaking - most of the time, even the best coaches will make you pull out your hair with moves like sticking Eddie House on a flaming hot Jason Terry or continuing to start Bibby long after putrefaction is visible from the 16th row. I can't remember Carlisle pulling an obvious boneheaded move once in these playoffs. And he obviously made a lot of other subtler moves as well - the tricks on the defensive end, in particular. Showing the zone, taking it away.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 13, 2011, 09:44:19 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on June 13, 2011, 03:25:42 AM
Once again a disappointing end to a NBA season.

Gotta agree. The Mavs kicking the lifeless corpse of the Heat for the past three games wasn't quite as exciting as I'd hoped it would be.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Just kidding. It was glorious.
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Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 13, 2011, 03:01:05 PM
LeBron's attitude at the post game conference was pretty telling. Wade genuinely seemed upset and disappointed in himself/the team whereas LeBron looked like some antsy kid, smirking and joking at what you'd think would be quite a serious time.

There was a time when people said Jordan was a selfish joke who'd never win, so LeBron has plenty of time to get his act together; although to be fair if LeBron did some of the stuff pre-champion Jordan did, he'd be crucified. He talked about working hard this summer on his individual game, but I wonder what that even means. Why not work on some post moves - hell, it will only take a couple weeks then he could teach Dwight Howard. Work with Wade and figure out how to play off the ball better; LeBron basically camped on the three point line throughout the finals.

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Mandark on June 13, 2011, 04:12:47 PM
Knocking Dwight Howard for not scoring in the post is soooo 2009.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 13, 2011, 04:42:27 PM
No, I'm knocking him for not having a post game
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Mandark on June 13, 2011, 05:16:09 PM
Hur hur *derisive jacking off motion*.  Howard got himself a post game, an improvement so obvious even sports reporters couldn't miss it (and subsequently gave Hakeem all the credit).  The fancy patented stats from Synergy et al apparently back it up too.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: T-Short on June 13, 2011, 05:58:58 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/WQdx6.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 13, 2011, 06:38:44 PM
Complex post moves are overrated and unnecessary when going against a physically inferior defender, which is and will be the case for Lebron 99% of the time.  When you're stronger and quicker than a post defender, all you need to is feign force in one direction then go the other way or just pick a side and explode in that direction.  The rate of success is ridicuolously high.  That was 1/2 of Shaq's pts before zone D got legalized.  Of course, this is only for 1 on 1 situations but Bron rarely takes advantage of those opportunities even when he gets them. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 13, 2011, 06:43:19 PM
I think Lebron needs as many ways to score as possible and an actual real legit post game could only help. No one is saying he needs to turn into the the dream all of a sudden but being able to score with his back to the basket in a variety of ways could only help. If one thing has been proven by this series, it's that Lebron is not going to be able to be just a slasher like Kobe or Wade is if he wants to score when it counts. He is simply too big and too easy of a target despite being a good ballhandler for his size. He needs diversity in his game to be really successful against a team playing him smart like the Mavs were and he didn't have it.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 13, 2011, 06:56:30 PM
I agree but I just think that Bron's scoring in the post is more of a mental adjustment than a skills/physical adjustment.  For whatever reason, he just doesn't like to just back down and turn on a defender in the post.  Marion was pretty much helpless whenever Bron did that yet he didn't want to keep going back to that option. 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 13, 2011, 07:00:17 PM
Just a hint of a post game can do wonders to open up his game. Heck even Shawn Marion has a post game. It's a shitty looking post game. But he can back somebody down and get off his shot. Lebron can't be less effective in the post than Shawn Marion.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 13, 2011, 07:18:59 PM
Eh, all I've seen from Howard is a series of power plays. He's effective, but he could truly be great/unstoppable with some decent post moves, a jump shot, hell just some moves beyond catch and dunk.

Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 13, 2011, 06:43:19 PM
I think Lebron needs as many ways to score as possible and an actual real legit post game could only help. No one is saying he needs to turn into the the dream all of a sudden but being able to score with his back to the basket in a variety of ways could only help. If one thing has been proven by this series, it's that Lebron is not going to be able to be just a slasher like Kobe or Wade is if he wants to score when it counts. He is simply too big and too easy of a target despite being a good ballhandler for his size. He needs diversity in his game to be really successful against a team playing him smart like the Mavs were and he didn't have it.

Exactly. Playing off the ball better would greatly help his game, whether he's in the post or the key, etc. Standing around on the perimeter only works for so long.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 13, 2011, 07:41:50 PM
Where were you the first 600 times Stoney said that PD? :teehee

Day 1 of no basketball. IT BURNS
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 13, 2011, 07:46:01 PM
lol. Yeah I remember having this debate earlier in the season after watching Lebron have essentially the same problems he had in that finals. He's good enough to make you forgot about his deficiencies because of all his other talents but a series like that puts the whole thing in stark relief. Lebron has struggled like this to generate offense before and the Heat's offense has struggled exactly like it did against the mavs lots of times in the season. I watched a lot of Heat basketball this year. We all just kind of forgot about it after the bulls and the celtics.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 13, 2011, 08:02:40 PM
I swear the media just fills in the blanks with most of their stories. 


All Vince Carter Lebron does is dunk.  Vince Lebron needs to get a jumper. 

What a wimp!  Why won't Vince Lebron drive anymore? 
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 13, 2011, 08:38:42 PM
Yeah, that's why I only read a handful of sports writers. Genuine insight is quite rare, and increasingly it seems to come from the numbers guys (Hollinger, Pelton et al), or the people that really follow one team or athlete closely (like Brian Windhorst on LeBron).

I really don't think LeBron struggled offensively in this series though. He just didn't show up. I've seen him try and fail before, I know what it looks like. This was just not trying.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Beezy on June 14, 2011, 12:56:18 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 13, 2011, 07:41:50 PM
Day 1 of no basketball. IT BURNS
TV fucking sucks right now. There's nothing worth watching. Maybe I'll abuse netflix or start playing games for hours at a time again.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 14, 2011, 01:32:19 AM
Basketball is literally the only sport I watch, and I also spend a bunch of time reading/listening to related blogs, books, and podcasts etc. Leaves a big hole to fill for sure. You can be pretty much a full-time fan these days.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 14, 2011, 02:06:39 AM
We can be like football tards and pretend that the NBA draft is a real sporting event.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 14, 2011, 02:09:50 AM
looks to be of interest this year only for the inevitable trades. Well, that and David Kahn.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Beezy on June 14, 2011, 02:20:06 AM
I don't follow college sports so I don't follow drafts really.

I watch football also, but I'm not that into it. Don't have a fav team, don't know many of the players, and I get bored pretty often while watching it.

I tried watching baseball during the world series last year. When it wasn't putting me to sleep, it was like the most stressful thing ever to watch. I can't do it.
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 14, 2011, 02:31:16 AM
Does anyone care about the NBA draft, especially this year? The NFL one is always an event, even with a weak top crop (like this year).

Hopefully the NFL comes back later this year, plus there's NCAAF. I usually don't pay attention to NCAAB until conference play starts, which is when things get interesting/move beyond big name schools destroying small programs. And there's high school basketball; we've got posters in NY, LA, and Michigan, there's plenty of good HS ball to see.

Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 14, 2011, 09:25:18 AM
I'd like to see Jimmer Fredette go to the Clippers with Blake.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: BlueTsunami on June 14, 2011, 12:27:41 PM
Its gonna be one fucking long year if theres no NFL. All we've got is Baseball from here on out :teehee
Title: Re: NBA 2K11 Playoffs Thread (Mavs win title. Germany crushes France)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 14, 2011, 12:30:31 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on June 14, 2011, 09:25:18 AM
I'd like to see Jimmer Fredette go to the Clippers with Blake.

Not unless Jordan snags him first :teehee
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 14, 2011, 02:20:06 PM
Now that the smoke's cleared, a few thoughts:

The Heat don't need to completely retool and trade some of their superstars away. Their problem isn't a skill problem [they've got tons of it], they're problem is in maximizing they skill they have [which is what Dallas was able to do incredibly well]. Three things come to mind, in that regard:

1. Coaching. Spoelstra may be a great coach down the road, but it's something he really has to grow into rather than simply being thrown into. As has been mentioned numerous time, he often was unable to make quick changes to react to the way the series played off and often stuck with losing schemes way past when it became obvious they weren't working. He also hasn't been able to get everyone on the same page and keep them there. A team like this most likely needs a veteran coach who's been there before and knows how to handle fickle, top-tier talent.

2. Team play. When the Heat have it, they're white hot. When they don't have, they look awful. There was no consistency to their play, or at least not enough consistency to take down a team with [arguably] less raw talent but that knew how to play off each other's strengths and weaknesses.

3. LeBron James. He's an amazing talent, no one's going to argue otherwise on that, but if he doesn't care then the Heat won't win a championship. Can't get anymore plain than that. And if LeBron can't work himself up enough to care about the last three games of a hotly contested Finals [including a final game on his home court], when is he going to start caring?

Look at Dirk. He had had a bad first half [even three quarters] of a game in Game 6, but what did he do? He kept coming back, he kept getting the ball and he kept shooting. That's the difference, and it paid off. His shot finally came back in the fourth quarter and he scored 10 points to keep the Heat from making a last minute rally. He didn't shy away from the ball, he didn't check himself out of the game and try to put it all on the somebody else. He played through.

Some Mavs thoughts:

What a win in that Game 6. A win for team play, as Kidd [I think] put it. There's a lot of truth to that. For years, it's been Dirk giving it his all and laying his heart out there on the court, trying to get a win when too often his teammates disappeared entirely. It's been painful too watch at times, because you know the guy wanted to win really, really badly. But it was different in that Game 6, it wasn't the superstar putting the team on his back and fighting through the other team to secure a victory. Dirk actually was playing poorly in the first half, but it didn't matter. Because what finally happened was that the rest of the team put Dirk on the their shoulders and carried him across the finish line. I think that means a lot, both for Dirk and for the team as a whole.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: etiolate on June 14, 2011, 04:05:06 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Jimmer ends up on the Kings.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 14, 2011, 11:18:34 PM
GR - Before you throw his teammates under the bridge completely, let's not forget that Dirk was a weak passer for much of the last decade.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 14, 2011, 11:35:29 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 14, 2011, 11:18:34 PM
GR - Before you throw his teammates under the bridge completely, let's not forget that Dirk was a weak passer for much of the last decade.

I'm not saying that it was always Dirk carrying the load and a bunch of chumps hanging from the loops on his shoes. But it has been a problem in the past, with his support not really being there in critical moments. Some of that comes back to Dirk, as the team leader and even as a passer. But this was the biggest stage and the biggest moment in franchise history, and his crew jumped in to fill the void when he was struggling.

Anyway, I might've got a little carried away there in praising Dirk and bashing everybody [a lot of that was more towards Jason Terry specifically, who hasn't always been the strong number two player when Dirk's needed him], but it was definitely a case of everyone carrying the superstar than the other way around in Game 6.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 15, 2011, 12:08:58 AM
To me, the biggest diff this year was just that they got a center who was mobile enough to cover for Dirk defensively, plus a PG who could create easy shots.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on June 15, 2011, 12:22:06 AM
From the outside looking in, Chandler was a huge difference maker for that team. Especially in the playoffs. He logged major minutes and was a big factor in toughening their notorious softness.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 15, 2011, 12:53:43 AM
I hear Chandler is an unrestricted free agent, as well as Barea. He just earned himself a shit-load of money, for someone that many people (inc. the Thunder, who traded for him but called it off...) thought was finished.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 17, 2011, 11:55:34 AM
Rubio finally coming to Minnesota

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6671886
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 24, 2011, 01:05:21 AM
Jimmer Fredette going in the lottery tells you everything you need to know about this draft
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 24, 2011, 01:56:20 AM
Yeah, it'll be 3 or 4 years before we find out what most of the guys can do, and it probably won't be a whole lot. A serious lack of interesting trades so far too. Lots of inconsequential activity, nothing juicy.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Mandark on June 24, 2011, 02:19:03 AM
Wizards picked an athletic, "project" type big man.  Cause they apparently don't have enough already.

Nothing dramatic happened, but the fact that the Lakers/Celtics/Spurs are all open to major changes is promising.  You know, if there's ever basketball again.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 24, 2011, 02:28:15 AM
Pistons took Kyle Singler in the second round. Finally a reason to head back to the Palace, just to boo his ass.

Darius Morris probably should have stayed in school. UM should be good this season, but they would have been even better if he stayed, and I'd imagine he would have gotten into the first round after a steller junior year. Oh well, Lakers could be a nice fit if he makes the team
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Mandark on June 24, 2011, 02:34:43 AM
The NBA took away one of my favorite things about draft night when they implemented the one year rule:  hearing Dick Vitale rant angrily about preps-to-pros kids getting drafted ahead of college stars.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 24, 2011, 02:47:16 AM
I wish I had cable just to hear what he said about Fredette. Going into the draft I was hoping he'd get taken by the Knicks, just to hear Stephen Smith go crazy
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Post by: Smooth Groove on June 24, 2011, 03:03:14 AM
While driving last week, I listened a couple of times to Stephen A's LA radio show last week.  It's pretty entertaining, definitely more so than your typical local shows which do little more than feed the delusions of overzealous fans.  Stephen A obviously still has to kiss up a little bit to the Lakers fanbase but he would still talk smack about them the way other DJs won't.  But he's most interesting when talking about other teams because then he just goes off with no reservations. 

Yesterday, Stephen A was talkikng about how there should be 3 yr guaranteed deals in the next CBA because it'd get the NBA players to behave better.  He says right now that the majority of black players, with their multitude of tattoos and pants falling off their asses, look like they just came straight out of prison.  He argued that's the reason why Stern still has a problem selling the NBA to white America and that 3yr deals are the solution. 
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 24, 2011, 03:07:11 AM
Well, that's certainly not racist, I'm ok with that
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 24, 2011, 03:08:35 AM
Tattoos enliven the NBA considerably. I mean, Jason Terry really took the shit to the next level this year. What might we see in response? LeBron getting a noose around his neck, or a pair of hands?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 24, 2011, 03:14:52 AM
I'm not sure how I feel but I guess an argument can be made that how most black NBA players look and behave is more indicative of the lower elements of black society rather than mainstream black society. In that regard, then what Stephen A's points are not racist because people don't want their kids or role models looking like gangsters or criminals.  
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 24, 2011, 03:17:10 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 24, 2011, 03:08:35 AM
Tattoos enliven the NBA considerably. I mean, Jason Terry really took the shit to the next level this year. What might we see in response? LeBron getting a noose around his neck, or a pair of hands?

Stephen A says that he's fine with one or two but the problem now is that they're everywhere, including the face and neck, which take them from hip to scary. 

I'm now sure what the 3yr deals would do though.  Would kids really start looking and acting like Magic and Jordan again instead of players now? 
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 24, 2011, 03:18:54 AM
I feel like we've beat this topic to death, really.

Any employer can implement a dress code. Targeting black players explicitly, or recommending it, or associating black players with criminals, is straight-up racist though.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 24, 2011, 03:20:18 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on June 24, 2011, 03:17:10 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 24, 2011, 03:08:35 AM
Tattoos enliven the NBA considerably. I mean, Jason Terry really took the shit to the next level this year. What might we see in response? LeBron getting a noose around his neck, or a pair of hands?

Stephen A says that he's fine with one or two but the problem now is that they're everywhere, including the face and neck, which take them from hip to scary. 

I'm now sure what the 3yr deals would do though.  Would kids really start looking and acting like Magic and Jordan again instead of players now? 

More regular 'contract years' would be a great thing for the sport, I think. Imagine if the likes of Erick Dampier was on a 2-3 yr contract all the time. That would probably have added 5-8pts and 4 boards to his career averages. How can that not be a great thing?

The whole thing about 'locking up your franchise player' is bullshit since they end up getting traded all the time anyway.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 24, 2011, 03:25:47 AM
They certainly need to do something about players using their expiring contracts to dictate where they'll go and then forcing their former teams to take worse deals.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 24, 2011, 03:40:47 AM
In the old days, they used to occasionally compensate teams for losing a major player, with draft picks and such. I REALLY can't see that happening these days, giving the animosity created by the likes of the Patrick Ewing draft.

I think everyone is used to the reality that a 7yr contract is basically only 6yrs long, now. You can see that in the way many deals are backend-heavy, so some other team is gonna be stuck with the painful last year. It doesn't necessarily screw a team though - witness the Jazz's efficient and timely disposal of Deron Williams.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Mandark on June 24, 2011, 04:28:54 AM
The other way to look at it is that if you sign a player to a five year contract, you get that player for five years.  "But we might get nothing in year six!"  Well, yes.  That's sort of baked in to the concept.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 24, 2011, 04:43:58 AM
of course, that does tend to kill your team for years and make you a laughingstock i.e. post-Shaq Orlando
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: etiolate on June 24, 2011, 08:02:32 AM
The Salmons trade for the Kings makes no sense. It's negation by addition. =/

I'm fine with the Jimmer pick.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on June 24, 2011, 10:06:12 AM
I don't understand what the Heat did, but the player they drafted sounds good.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Mandark on June 26, 2011, 01:10:11 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 24, 2011, 04:43:58 AM
of course, that does tend to kill your team for years and make you a laughingstock i.e. post-Shaq Orlando

Actually, Orlando didn't dip under .500 after losing Shaq (yeah I had to look that up), and were able to sign two of the best players in the league as free agents a few years later.  They would have gotten even better results if either Penny Hardaway or Grant Hill hadn't turned into a what-if story.  When Hill's injury and really bad GMing made them blow it all up, Dwight Howard lands in their laps.

If anything, the Magic are evidence that a team can be very resilient with the current personnel rules in place.


What I was getting at in my post was how the owners (and a lot of fans) seem to think a player's contract with a team entitles the team to anything more than X years of service from the player.  The whole point of a trade is that you're getting something in return for the opportunity cost of the remaining year's a player would have been on your team.  Suddenly it's a problem that you don't get anything in return if you don't make a trade, or that you get less for giving away four months of a player than you do for giving away four years?
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Post by: Mandark on June 26, 2011, 01:19:44 AM
Really, any system you put in place will have to deal with the nature of professional basketball:  A single player can have a HUGE impact on a team, and players like that are relatively easy to spot at an early age.  That's at the root of most people's gripes and it's not something that can be changed.  If they can't move around freely things could get stagnant quick, but if they can then the threat of them leaving will always be there.

Personally, if they have to lower salaries I'd like to see a system like the one we have now, but with the cap raised and the luxury tax threshold lowered so they're the same amount.  When most teams exceed the cap it doesn't lower spending, it just distorts how money is spent, with the weird salary-matching in trades and the tendency to overpay players before your young stars finish their rookie contracts (Rashard Lewis, Carlos Boozer, all of LeBron's old Cavs teammates).
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Post by: Smooth Groove on June 26, 2011, 11:18:29 PM
Who's this chick? 

I'm usually not into black women but she's pretty hot. 

(http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/3052/howardc.jpg)
Title: Re: Yes I am posting double. You wanna fight about it?
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2011, 02:04:59 AM
 
Quote from: Mandark on June 26, 2011, 01:19:44 AM
Really, any system you put in place will have to deal with the nature of professional basketball:  A single player can have a HUGE impact on a team, and players like that are relatively easy to spot at an early age.  That's at the root of most people's gripes and it's not something that can be changed.  If they can't move around freely things could get stagnant quick, but if they can then the threat of them leaving will always be there.
That's one thing I've had to point out to people who compare it to MLB or NFL or what have you, that one single player is so much more valuable in the NBA than other sports because he's one of five on the court and one of eight or nine guys on the team who play when it counts. And you can point to what happened to the Cavaliers, or in the past the Bulls or the year Robinson was injured for the Spurs to see how much impact one or two guys can have.

I think that's also one reason the union is weak, especially now where it's protecting guys like Derek Fisher and Matt Bonner instead of being headed by Ewing and the guys who were in charge back in '95 and '99. And even then Shaq helped break them because he hadn't been through the explosion of the game vs. the low, long-term salaries the others were in the late 80s.

Yeah, I'm new here, I joined back (and had tried once before) during the playoffs because I liked the laid back discussion style you guys have but forgot I was actually accepted this time until I saw all the new people joining the forum today.
Title: Re: Yes I am posting double. You wanna fight about it?
Post by: demi on June 28, 2011, 10:13:52 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 28, 2011, 02:04:59 AM
Yeah, I'm new here, I joined back (and had tried once before) during the playoffs because I liked the laid back discussion style you guys have but forgot I was actually accepted this time until I saw all the new people joining the forum today.

I deal with lot of spammy names, I must have accidentally got you grouped in. My bad
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2011, 10:17:02 AM
No, that's alright, I thought it might have been because my old e-mail looked spammy. It worked out in the end.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 01, 2011, 12:19:42 AM
http://www.nba.com/

:gloomy
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 01, 2011, 01:11:35 AM
 :-\
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: naff on July 01, 2011, 02:16:23 AM
ruh roh
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: etiolate on July 01, 2011, 02:39:48 AM
Will there be no interviews about teams with players? They rushed to interview everyone involved in the Hickson/Casspi trade today.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 01, 2011, 02:43:47 AM
Teams aren't allowed any contact with players or to use them in their publicity etc. Stern says there will be million dollar fines for violations so I'd imagine teams will be very very circumspect for the duration.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Mandark on July 01, 2011, 02:46:21 AM
Yeah, say what you will about Stern, but under him the NBA's always been super strict about teams interfering with or pitching woo at players when they're not meant to.  I think Cuban got fined heavily for making a fairly generic statement about loving to sign Kobe if it was ever possible.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 01, 2011, 02:54:05 AM
Between this and the NFL lockout, professional sports is looking kinda sucky for the next year.
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Post by: CajoleJuice on July 01, 2011, 03:14:31 AM
Maybe I'll get into soccer.

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Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Mandark on July 01, 2011, 04:34:49 AM
This even kills the offseason for me.  I can't try to game out how new parts are going to fit together or even just look forward to next season without having to think about the lockout, and pretty soon the leaks and negotiating minutiae that will come with it.

 :yuck to this.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 01, 2011, 06:10:12 AM
Yeah, best to just ignore it and play some vidya or something. It'll sort itself out eventually.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: pilonv1 on July 01, 2011, 06:45:50 AM
Start following Rugby League

Also the Tour De France starts tomorrow :hyper
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 01, 2011, 09:30:52 AM
not even a flicker of interest, sorry
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2011, 09:37:16 AM
It's unfortunate but it was inevitable. And this could get really nasty. Both sides have really dug their heels in.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 01, 2011, 05:00:26 PM
Go watch some AAU you fair weather bball fans
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 01, 2011, 10:46:54 PM
I just hope half the players don't get fat and alcoholic like they did after the last lockout. The smart ones will use it to get needed surgery and recovery, but the dumb ones will be on a beach sipping purple drank. A shortened season could really benefit veteran teams like the Celts and the Lakers.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 02, 2011, 12:20:46 AM
If we lose this season, the Mavericks are going to be practically ancient by the time basketball starts up again.  :(
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 02, 2011, 12:44:59 AM
Dwight Howard too!
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 02, 2011, 01:20:47 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 02, 2011, 12:36:06 AM
Lebron might have a post game by the time the next season starts.

He has a post game. But he spends most of his time, for entirely defensible reasons, playing point guard, so...
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: pilonv1 on July 02, 2011, 01:55:02 AM
Running into defenders in the key isn't a post game
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 02, 2011, 01:59:32 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 01, 2011, 05:00:26 PM
Go watch some AAU you fair weather bball fans

:yuck

AAU, US high school ball, and even NCAA are what I hate most about hoops.  Every year you hear some bullshit about how some 18-19 yr old kid could  easily be one of the top 5 in his position at the NBA, i.e. Austin Rivers.  Truth is US basketball sucks below the NBA level and arrogant kids don't know how far off they are off the top until they get into the league.  I can't count the number of HS/AAU kids I've destroyed, who come into the gym with their stupid HS jerseys like they are all that. 
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 02, 2011, 02:19:13 AM
er, I've never thought that I could beat a NBA player unlike many of the dumb HS kids that think they could. 
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 02, 2011, 02:48:29 AM
Quote from: pilonv1 on July 02, 2011, 01:55:02 AM
Running into defenders in the key isn't a post game

The post I linked to a while back about LeBron's post game has been taken down due to the lockout now, unfortunately. It was on heat.com if it ever comes back up. But no trolling, he has a real post game, with jump hooks, turnaround jumper, everything you could want. And of course the roll to the hoop. He is LeBron though, so he has a ton of other options open to him (including being a pussy and playing hot potato outside the 3pt line).
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 02, 2011, 02:58:17 AM
Is NBA network the same in Japan as it is in the US?  The programming has been terrible lately.  I keep checking for classic games but all they have is tired analysis and old news. 
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 02, 2011, 03:00:54 AM
I don't even watch broadcast tv anymore. Quite happy to just wait 'til next season really...League Pass took up such an insane amount of my free time during the season that I'm really enjoying catching up on reading and gaming and such. Getting my Witcher 2 on right now :rock
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: pilonv1 on July 02, 2011, 08:59:03 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 02, 2011, 02:48:29 AM
Quote from: pilonv1 on July 02, 2011, 01:55:02 AM
Running into defenders in the key isn't a post game

The post I linked to a while back about LeBron's post game has been taken down due to the lockout now, unfortunately. It was on heat.com if it ever comes back up. But no trolling, he has a real post game, with jump hooks, turnaround jumper, everything you could want. And of course the roll to the hoop. He is LeBron though, so he has a ton of other options open to him (including being a pussy and playing hot potato outside the 3pt line).

Will happily admit I've not seen that, just going from memory, never seen much more than the roll to the hoop.

Regardless it could be so much better if he had any desire to work on his game.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 02, 2011, 11:21:53 AM
LeBron definitely deserves some criticism for his disappearing act but saying he lacks any desire to work on his game is ridiculous...
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 02, 2011, 11:44:12 AM
I like Lebron. Seems to be a good dude. The hate and backlash he generates tends to say more about the people doing the hating to me than it ever does about Lebron.

That being said the weakness to Lebron seems to be his basketball IQ in clutch moments or when the game matters. He doesn't seem to have a sense of I need a better shot at this point in the game than I did earlier in it. He will just settle often for what the defense is giving him. Which late in a game is three's or very hard drives to the rim.

This ties into why I say he needs a post game mixed in with some better basketball IQ. It's not that I've never seen Lebron do post moves. It's that he never does them with any sense of purpose or rhyme or reason. It's not integrated into his game and because of that when he actually needs to do post moves to counter something the defense is doing he's never doing them. It's why statistics can be misleading in some cases. My own eyes tell me Lebron doesn't have a post game not because he doesn't sometimes do post moves but because the lasting image most of have of Lebron is him shooting a three or trying to go one on 5 from the top of the key. Because that's almost always what he does when the game actually matters. Take Magic Johnson. The image of him is quite varied. I think of hooks. Post moves. Drives and dishes. Better outside shooting late in his career. etc. A very balanced approach.

Lebron's game is modeled after the Kobe Bryant model which was in en vogue because Kobe got the rings and press attention. But that's not the proper model for Lebron. He needs a different model. His own model. He's a little bit of Magic Johnson crossed with somebody like Kobe. So he needs different elements from those two archtypes. Rather than just the Kobe stuff.

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Post by: benjipwns on July 07, 2011, 07:50:11 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=6745426
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New Jersey Nets guard Deron Williams is planning to play in Turkey in the fall if the NBA lockout has not yet been settled.

Williams' newly hired agent, Jeff Schwartz, on Thursday confirmed to ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher a report from the Turkey-based sports outlet NTV Spor that the All-Star point guard has struck an agreement in principal to play for Besiktas, which is the club that briefly employed Allen Iverson last season.

Williams' deal will be for one year and $5 million, sources told ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard.

Besiktas coach Ergin Ataman told the New York Times that the team also has an agreement with Atlanta Hawks center Zaza Pachulia.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 07, 2011, 09:07:31 PM
amazing story that erodes a lot of the preconceptions about superstars

- will only play for max money (:lol)
- will only play for a contender (:lol)
- will only play with big-time teammates (:lol)
- will only play in a big media market (:lol)

Push comes to shove, they'll take $5 mil guaranteed vs $0 guaranteed! I would too! And he has an out if the NBA lockout is resolved, so it's a win-win for him.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: benjipwns on July 07, 2011, 10:16:25 PM
Plus he gets to travel around parts of Europe at team expense. They only play like 35-40 games, once or twice a week. He can take it pretty easy in many of those.

Same team is trying to convince Kobe to do the same.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 07, 2011, 10:20:29 PM
It's probably just an attempt to get some leverage and free publicity. I'd be shocked if he plays more than 10 games. It might backfire a bit though since it sends a clear signal that he is prepared to play for less than the max in the right circumstances (i.e. if he was being traded to the Lakers etc vs staying on the Nets)
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: pilonv1 on July 07, 2011, 10:22:18 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 07, 2011, 09:07:31 PM
amazing story that erodes a lot of the preconceptions about superstars

more like

- Will play anywhere when faced with economic reality

Probably gives an indication of player lifestyles and who was saving their money
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 08, 2011, 03:43:48 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6749511

I hope Yao changes his mind after the extra bit of rest from the lockout.  He was the best overall center after Shaq, imo and one of the few athletes who really deserved to be called classy. 
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Andowsky on July 08, 2011, 04:09:50 PM
Yeah that sucks about Ming.

Brandon Roy, ok, glad you're now relegated to bench player status. Hope Andrew Bynum is next. But Yao? :(
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 08, 2011, 04:11:48 PM
Quote from: pilonv1 on July 07, 2011, 10:22:18 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 07, 2011, 09:07:31 PM
amazing story that erodes a lot of the preconceptions about superstars

more like

- Will play anywhere when faced with economic reality

Probably gives an indication of player lifestyles and who was saving their money

Rudy Fernandez actually turned down a $26 Million deal to play in Spain. He would have made more money there than he would with the Mavs next season if there is basketball. I think it was like $4 Million there vs. $3.25 Million on his current contract.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2011, 07:15:04 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on July 08, 2011, 03:43:48 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6749511

I hope Yao changes his mind after the extra bit of rest from the lockout.  He was the best overall center after Shaq, imo and one of the few athletes who really deserved to be called classy. 

Overall or current, I'm confused
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Himu on July 09, 2011, 07:17:44 PM
Shaq was not the best center, and Yao will be missed.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 09, 2011, 08:01:14 PM
Overall as in all-around game. 
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Himu on July 09, 2011, 08:16:25 PM
Hakeem > Shaq
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Himu on July 09, 2011, 08:29:55 PM
Chamberlain > Shaq
David Robinson > Shaq
Kareem > Shaq
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: etiolate on July 09, 2011, 08:45:06 PM
Wilt, Shaq and Lebron are three guys with just huge physical advantages.It's tough to judge those guys when the league lacked guys built to guard them. Yao had obvious height advantages that, like Dirk, made it impossible to stop him shooting over you. He was pretty impressive when he was dominating the Rockets, but he fell apart physically just as he was reaching that point.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2011, 08:46:43 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on July 09, 2011, 08:01:14 PM
Overall as in all-around game. 

So you're saying Shaq and Yao>Hakeem, Abdul-Jabbar, Moses Malone? Shaq is top 5, Yao might not be top 10
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Mandark on July 09, 2011, 08:53:49 PM
Sad to see Yao retire.  One of the best players in the game when he was healthy, and one of the most unique ever.

I hope we get at least a handful of healthy years from Oden before he's gone too.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 09, 2011, 08:55:25 PM
Let's not forget the role Yao had in the current prosperity of the league, too. LeBron owes that guy about a half a billion bucks. And Yao was a GREAT ambassador for his country.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Himu on July 09, 2011, 09:49:21 PM
The amount of asian families I know who started watching NBA when Yao joined the Rockets was crazy.

I wonder if they'll still stick with it without Yao.

All of which are Rockets fans.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2011, 09:53:59 PM
Yao has been a great ambassador for the game. Very sad we didn't see him healthy over the last few years, alongside McGrady.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Himu on July 09, 2011, 09:58:00 PM
Well, it speaks well of the team when the Rockets still gave the Lakers trouble without Yao or McGrady with mostly bench players in the '10 playoffs.

But yes, McGrady is a sad case, though I don't really like his attitude much these days.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Mandark on July 09, 2011, 10:14:07 PM
I got to see him play in person one time.

It's a cliche to say "I knew he was tall, but when you see him in person... he's really tall!"  Several times Gilbert Arenas (this is back when he had knees) would blow by his man at the top of the key, see Yao looming in front of him, and then keep his dribble alive so he could pull the ball back out.  I remember Muresan too, who was an effective player despite moving like Vincent D'Onofrio in Men In Black, so a freakishly tall player with actual coordination was a really towering obstacle.

Also, there were a ton of Chinese fans at the game.  Just well represented in every section of the arena, with a lot of area Chinese student groups, churches, etc. getting shout-outs on the jumbotron when they listed group package buyers.  All stereotypically polite, and even though Yao was the reason they were there, they embraced the whole team.  I don't think I'll ever see that many Asian people cheering for Rafer Alston and Luther Head.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Himu on July 09, 2011, 10:25:47 PM
I've been to quite a few Rockets games and yeah, he's tall as shit as cliche' as that sounds.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: benjipwns on July 10, 2011, 02:53:52 AM
Deron Williams talking about his decision:
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=6753259
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"People say, 'Oh, you're going to get hurt,'" Williams said. "I can get hurt playing at (the University of San Diego) or wherever I'm at. I can get hurt walking down these steps. Of course, that's a big part of it. But I also did my due diligence, researched insurance. I'll be covered."

Some have speculated that Williams, who has made more than $40 million over his six-year career, is going overseas because he needs the money. He laughed at that notion.

"It's ridiculous," he said. "We've known this lockout's coming. I have plenty of money saved for the lockout purpose. Now, I don't even need to touch that money. I can invest that money. I can go grow that money. It's not something that's money-driven.

"It's more about the experience. Experience and being able to compete and play basketball. I don't want to sit around. That's what the NBA wants us to do right now. They locked us out of our gyms, they locked us out of facilities. We got to go find somewhere on our own to go hoop, to put games together. I don't have to do that. I've got a team. I'm going to go through organized practices. I'm going to be in game situations. So if the lockout is lifted, I'm going to be ready to play."
...
Williams spoke extensively with his former Utah Jazz teammate Mehmet Okur, who is from Turkey, before making his decision. He also spoke with former University of Illinois teammate Dee Brown, who has played professionally in Turkey. He did not get to speak with Allen Iverson, who played briefly for Besiktas last season.

Williams will take his wife and four kids with him to Istanbul, where the team will provide them with an apartment, a car and personal security.

"It's just different," Williams said. "There is no other time in my career that I'll be able to go live and play in another city, experience a different lifestyle, see new things. I'm looking forward to it."
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: benjipwns on July 10, 2011, 03:15:03 AM
Better experience than his former backcourt mate:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RuHklbgda-c/TRELETLmhdI/AAAAAAAAAeY/7t4ap5qPfEk/s1600/First%2BRound.JPG)
A whole 14 minutes before he bolted!

Thrown into a game with his shoes untied and an icepack on because there was American media present. :lol
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Mandark on July 10, 2011, 03:31:44 AM
So can any NBA player do this?  I haven't been paying attention to the legal side, but it would be awesome if they could actually get some leverage back.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 10, 2011, 03:34:14 AM
Sure they can. No NBA player is bound by their contract as long as the lockout persists.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: benjipwns on July 10, 2011, 04:59:16 PM
Metta World Peace to England?
http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-plaschke-artest-20110710,0,2494979.column
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Artest also said he is going overseas to play during the lockout, but not where you might think. Instead of playing for one of the prestigious teams in southern Europe, he plans to play for either the Cheshire Jets or Glasgow Rocks of the British Basketball League.

Um, dude, there's a British Basketball League?

"The teams aren't good, but I'm going there to finish a movie, so why not?" he said.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 14, 2011, 12:01:30 AM
http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/6767665/2011-espy-awards-winners-revealed-los-angeles

That commercial :lol
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2011, 12:24:29 AM
YouTube version:
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1xF8Alvv7o[/youtube]

Tomorrow!
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 21, 2011, 04:56:16 PM
2K12 covers look sweet

(http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/07/nba2k12coversplash.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 21, 2011, 05:05:42 PM
Old Guys Cuz Our Real Players Are Locked Out Edition
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 21, 2011, 08:23:56 PM
So when Lawrence Frank gets fired in the next 1-3 years, can we get rid of Joe Dumars too?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of Lockouts and Hard Caps
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 29, 2011, 09:50:44 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on July 21, 2011, 04:56:16 PM
2K12 covers look sweet

Bad ass.


Also

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/6814363/kobe-bryant-turkish-club-besiktas-meet-saturday-report-says
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/6814315/kevin-durant-says-considering-playing-overseas
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of basketball overseas
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 29, 2011, 11:23:05 AM
NBA players' summer activities:

Marcin Gortat: (includes some basketball at the end) 

"He doesn't even have touch in the post against tennis players."  :lol

[youtube=560,345]DQFj7f02SgE[/youtube]


John Wall finally living up to the expectations against recreational players

[youtube=560,345]nmO9pyyE8cA[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of basketball overseas
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 29, 2011, 01:03:52 PM
So why isn't And1 doing the biggest tour ever...?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of basketball overseas
Post by: benjipwns on August 04, 2011, 11:11:37 PM
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Players Association executive director Billy Hunter says the 2011-12 NBA season will likely be canceled entirely because the commissioner's negotiating leeway is in danger of being undermined by a group of hard-line owners.
:-\

Stan Van Gundy dribbling skills: http://vimeo.com/27253705
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of basketball overseas
Post by: Beezy on August 05, 2011, 01:06:36 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on August 04, 2011, 11:11:37 PM
Stan Van Gundy dribbling skills: http://vimeo.com/27253705
better than me... :fbm
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of basketball overseas
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 05, 2011, 02:08:10 AM
now i see why he never took any shit from J-Will
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of basketball overseas
Post by: Mandark on August 05, 2011, 03:45:09 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 29, 2011, 01:03:52 PM
So why isn't And1 doing the biggest tour ever...?

Hell, why aren't locked out NBA stars putting together their own And1/Globetrotters style tour?  Or a mini-league?  Or a 3v3 tournament?

I know there would probably be a ton of roadblocks (like sponsorship, because Stern would blacklist any company that put money behind that sort of thing), but you have to figure this would give the players a wee bit of leverage back, right?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of basketball overseas
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 05, 2011, 01:25:59 PM
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Billy Hunter doubts entire '11-12 season

Players Association executive director Billy Hunter says the 2011-12 NBA season will likely be canceled entirely because the commissioner's negotiating leeway is in danger of being undermined by a group of hard-line owners.

"The circumstances have changed among [David Stern's] constituency," Hunter told a group of lawyers Wednesday, as quoted in the Baltimore Sun. "In the last six or seven years, there is a new group of owners to come in who paid a premium for their franchises, and what they're doing is kind of holding his feet to the fire."

Hunter told an American Bar Association conference that if he "had to bet on it", he would wager that there will be no NBA season.

"We're $800 million apart per year," Hunter said Wednesday, adding, "something has to happen that both of us can use as leverage to save face."

NBA owners and players held a formal collective bargaining session for the first high-level negotiations in a month Monday but after nearly three hours of discussions the sides emerged as far apart as they were when the day began. Stern said the sides were "at the same place" as they were when the lockout began July 1 just before the old collective bargaining agreement ran out.

Owners are seeking significant changes to the league's salary structure, claiming $300 million in losses last season and hundreds of millions more in each year of the previous agreement, which was ratified in 2005. Players have acknowledged the losses but disputed their size, and they've balked at the league's push for a hard salary cap and reduction in salaries and maximum contract lengths.

The union has encouraged players to find work rather than give in to the owners' economic demands, with the hope that owners would offer better proposals if they see their players have other options. Hunter recently sent a memo to all players endorsing locked-out players to consider playing overseas.

Nets All-Star Deron Williams agreed to an overseas deal with Besiktas of Turkey, the only superstar with an overseas deal thus far, though some lesser players have one. Many elite players say they are keeping it as an option.

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread of basketball overseas
Post by: Smooth Groove on August 05, 2011, 01:35:29 PM
[youtube=560,345]DnanXZt2IDY[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12 cuz its gonna a long strike)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 05, 2011, 02:11:07 PM
Also Lebron needs to stop tweeting and defending sorry or knucklehead players. First Randy Moss. Now Tim Tebow. Tim Fucking Tebow.

Are you kidding me. What's next, a few Vince Carter defense tweets.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12 cuz its gonna a long strike)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 05, 2011, 02:47:38 PM
what's wrong with Tebow? He didn't look bad in the games he played last year
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12 cuz its gonna a long strike)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 05, 2011, 03:28:12 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 05, 2011, 02:47:38 PM
what's wrong with Tebow? He didn't look bad in the games he played last year

Bookmarked for 5 years down the road.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12 cuz its gonna a long strike)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 08, 2011, 08:02:01 PM
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AKRON, Ohio -- LeBron James stood before 360 third-graders on Monday, telling them their futures are bright.

Plenty of ominous signs notwithstanding, he believes the same is true for the NBA.

In an interview with The Associated Press, the Miami Heat forward said he is not considering offers to play internationally during the NBA lockout -- with one catch. He's committed to the 2012 Olympics and trying to help the United States defend the gold medal he helped win at the Beijing Games.

"I'm optimistic that we will have a season this year," James said. "Very optimistic."

A little anxious, too.

He's working out twice a day, trying to erase some of the sting that's still there after the Heat lost to the Dallas Mavericks in the NBA finals.

"Right now I've just been focusing on being a better player, working on my game every single day," James said at a news conference before the AP interview. "Like I said, the Dallas Mavericks were a great team and they deserved to win that championship. And I'll just use that as motivation coming into this season."

He's also trying to deliver on his vow to be even better whenever the Heat resume play, saying he's been in Houston at times this offseason to learn post play from one of the game's all-time greats, former Rockets star Hakeem Olajuwon.

"I'm doing whatever it takes to just become a better basketball player," James told ESPN's Rachel Nichols. "Just everyday just trying to critique my game -- seeing ways that I can get better so I can be more of a complete basketball player on the court, a better leader on and off the court and continue to work towards my goal of winning an NBA championship."

"I look at what he was able to do throughout his career," James told the AP about working with Olajuwon. "Unbelievable talent. Multiple champion. Just to see how he was able to dominate in the low post, for me as an individual, I just try to look at some of the things I feel I need to get better at and hit home at it. Our team becomes better if I continue to get better and that's what it's about."

So even with signs of major trouble afoot in the NBA -- union chief Billy Hunter told a conference of attorneys in Baltimore last week that he would bet against there being a 2011-12 season "at this moment" -- James remains hopeful.

"I'm preparing for an NBA season," James told Nichols. "I'm preparing for there to be a training camp in the next month. I'm very optimistic that Billy Hunter and the owners and David Stern will figure out a way to come together and for us to have a season. And I'll be ready for it."

He said he understands why someone like star guard Deron Williams would feel compelled to seek a deal overseas and why Kobe Bryant appears to be flirting with the notion. It's just not for him, he said.

"We all love the game of basketball so much," James said. "And the love of the game is always going to be there. Guys love the game."

The Olympics count as a motivating force as well. And in time, he hinted he may even try recruiting some of his NBA pals in an effort to convince them to play in London next summer.

Not yet, though.

"I love representing my country and doing it the way I love to do it and that's playing the game of basketball," James said. "So I would love to be a part of the 2012 team traveling to London and defending our gold medal."

James was in his hometown Monday to open "Wheels for Education," a program he's doing in conjunction with corporate partners State Farm, HP and Nike to provide hundreds of third-graders from Akron Public Schools academic tools they need. The program will follow those kids through their high school graduations in 2021, and James wants the initiative to continue growing annually -- plus even sees a chance to take it beyond his hometown, maybe to South Florida, maybe even internationally.

Doused by rain on his 2-mile bike ride through Akron with 22 children ambassadors for the program pedaling alongside him, James said it still resonates deeply within when he hears screams of joy in his hometown. Some people carrying signs in support of James showed up at the event more than two hours beforehand, hoping just for a glimpse of the two-time NBA MVP.

"He just lives in Miami," said Doris Thomas, who brought her grandson. "He's one of us. He's Akron."

The kids all get a laptop, a backpack with school supplies, and a bike.

"I believe LeBron is a better person than he is a basketball player," Akron Mayor Donald Plusquellic said. "And I believe he's the best basketball player that ever lived. So that puts it in perspective, because he cares. He gives back. He doesn't have to do this. Riding around the city street, taking a chance on falling or something, giving back here and having some jerk yell something like they yell at me ... there's a sincerity inside of him."

James said the balance between charitable causes -- like giving children of military families scholarships to his camp in San Diego, the 'Wheels for Education' program and other events geared toward youth -- and playing as much as he can have helped him begin getting geared up for the new season. Even Monday night, he was off to go play in a rec league game with some friends from high school.

It was just a part of a busy two days for James: On Tuesday, a new $240,000 clubhouse -- some of the $3 million generated from his 'Decision' show last summer -- at Akron's Boys & Girls Club will be named in his honor, and later that night James and four of his high school teammates will be added to the athletic Hall of Fame at their alma mater, St. Vincent-St. Mary High School.

"I'm just using what I have, using my ability, for better and good," James said.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 08, 2011, 10:07:19 PM
Did he posterize any of the third-graders while he was there?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 18, 2011, 03:02:33 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/17/delonte-west-home-depot-nba-lockout_n_930016.html
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2011, 05:06:25 PM
oh man what a resume

    * St. Joesph's

    * Fucked LeBron's mom
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 18, 2011, 06:04:52 PM
We might not have NBA basketball, but at least we've got Georgetown fighting a bunch of chinamen.

[youtube=560,345]bk4922fJgQc[/youtube]

Thanks for starting World War III, guys.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: OptimoPeach on August 18, 2011, 07:44:30 PM
USA lost

Quote
YEA AHA., YOU KNOW WAT IT IS... BLACK and YELLOW, BLACK and YELLOW
thrdvision 1 minute ago

:lol
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2011, 07:46:20 PM
Quote from: OptimoPeach on August 18, 2011, 07:44:30 PM
USA lost

Quote
YEA AHA., YOU KNOW WAT IT IS... BLACK and YELLOW, BLACK and YELLOW
thrdvision 1 minute ago

:lol
:lol

A professional Chinese team, or a college?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 18, 2011, 08:09:45 PM
Professional team.

The Chinese team shot 57 free throws, compared to Georgetown's 15, yet the teams were TIED. :lol
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 18, 2011, 09:45:06 PM
Mmmm...love me some home cookin'. :drool
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Smooth Groove on August 18, 2011, 10:21:46 PM
Someone tell them that Basketball and Kung Fu are two different sports.

[youtube=560,345]A6mUm-0hlEI[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Smooth Groove on August 21, 2011, 01:36:13 PM
Craziest thing happened yesterday.  I was shooting around at a park with two short friends when a very tall but extremely skinny black man came up and asked if we wanted to play 2 on 2.  We laughed and said 3 on 1 would be more fair.  He picked up the ball and easily slammed it with two hands.  When he raised his hand to gauge if the basket was 10 ft, it was less than a foot away from the basket.  Afterwards he shot a couple of jumpers with a really smooth release.

We asked the guy if he played in College.  He answered, "College?  I play in the NBA."  We were all incredulous because he was so skinny.  One friend almost couldn't stop laughing.  He then told us that he played in Gonzaga and currently is playing for Detroit.  I was thinking that he was maybe a NBDL prospect that's struggling for 2 week contracts in the NBA.  One friend was nice to enough say that I hope your lockout ends soon, and the guy said "I hope so too."  But even after that, he appeared to be offended that we didn't seem to believe him and he left after taking a few more shots. 

We all laughed and said that maybe he meant NBA2K and we should have asked him PS3 or Xbox.  At dinner time, we looked up Gonzaga and Detroit Pistions, and astonishingly the dude's face came up as Austin Daye, 15th overall draft pick by the Pistons two years ago.  We had a once in a liftime chance to play with a NBA player but we blew it!   :'( 

It turns out Daye is not bad even though none of us knew WTF he was.  He averages about 7.5 pts and 4 rebounds in 20 mpg and already has a couple of nice highlights. 

[youtube=560,345]1oKwFvNFsLs[/youtube]

[youtube=560,345]ab18GuOYrjA[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 21, 2011, 01:52:45 PM
 :lol Even if he was lying, why wouldn't you play a quick game with someone like that? Just play two games, with him on each team then you could brag later about which of you was his best teammate

Never heard anyone in Detroit say Daye is good.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Smooth Groove on August 21, 2011, 01:57:17 PM
We were thrown off because he was so damn skinny.  6'11 and only 200lbs?  All three of us had been to NBA games and have never seen any NBA player that thin. 

We should have just offered him $20 each since he isn't making money now and have him act as a prop for some pics. 
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 21, 2011, 01:57:54 PM
Way back in the day my sister use to date a guy who played college basketball at a local school. I went out to the park with him one time and I was amazed at how good he was. He completely dominated every one. That's when I gained a lot of respect for college and NBA players. To me this guy was amazing and he never got close to being in the NBA. He was the second best player on his team for a bad college basketball squad. I couldn't imagine how good the good players really were.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 21, 2011, 04:34:05 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on August 21, 2011, 01:57:17 PM
We should have just offered him $20 each since he isn't making money now and have him act as a prop for some pics. 

You could have planked on him; once-in-a-lifetime chance man.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 21, 2011, 07:32:59 PM
The weird thing is that Joe Dumars has been bringing in players like that ever since he scored big with Tayshaun Prince, who is obviously 6'9'' and rail-thin. Villaneuva is no bruiser. The 7 footer who now plays on the Raptors was also super-skinny. There are others I'm probably forgetting too.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Mandark on August 21, 2011, 07:36:23 PM
Ernie Grunfeld's been doing the same thing in Washington ever since he hit the jackpot with Andray Blatche.

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Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 21, 2011, 07:44:41 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on August 21, 2011, 07:32:59 PM
The weird thing is that Joe Dumars has been bringing in players like that ever since he scored big with Tayshaun Prince, who is obviously 6'9'' and rail-thin. Villaneuva is no bruiser. The 7 footer who now plays on the Raptors was also super-skinny. There are others I'm probably forgetting too.

There was Rodney White before Prince. Then Amir Johnson, Chase Budinger, some others. Dumars has missed on so many draft picks (and free agents...and coaches), horribly. Lots of failed PFs and big men.

I wonder what happens to Rodney Stucky now, if Brandon Knight lives up to expectations.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 21, 2011, 08:38:42 PM
Amir Johnson, that's it. I thought Chase Budinger was drafted by the Rockets though, and still played there. I'll take your word for it though - i watched exactly one Pistons game last season and it was so horrible I decided to never repeat. Been a while since I saw such a bunch of malcontents on one team.

Daye has skills but historically, you have almost no chance of thriving at a forward spot at his weight. True Hoop ran a statistical analysis of all 3 men ever and he was waaaay at the far end of the curve. No-one else like him has ever succeeded, basically.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 21, 2011, 09:17:58 PM
I haven't been a fan of the Pistons since Grant Hill left, but it's impossible not to get into arguments over the Pistons around here. Mainly focused on Dumars and his handling of the team over this rebuilding process. Coming within a play of  back-to-back championships is impressive, but that was ages ago. Since then the team has been handled poorly in drafts and free agency, not to mention the poisoning locker room atmosphere that Dumars let fester until coach after coach was thrown under the bus.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 21, 2011, 10:30:19 PM
To be fair, the ownership situation is fucked so it's almost impossible to do a good job as a GM there. Witness Sacramento, Portland, New Orleans etc etc. Crazy short-term Hail Mary plays called by GMs desperate for one more season, great trades shot down because of cost etc...it's just impossible to implement any kind of coherent long term strategy somewhere like Detroit I think.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: pilonv1 on August 21, 2011, 11:46:19 PM
Isn't Amir Johnson (Advanced Stat for BESTGAF members) is like 6'8 right, not 7ft? He reminds me of Jerome Williams, who was also a Pistons/Raptors skinny froward.

real talk: I thought Cheick Samb was awesome after seeing him block 7 or so shots in a game for the Pistons.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: etiolate on August 22, 2011, 01:43:13 AM
Yeah Sacramento had its glory years and has since been run into the ground with bad trades, mismanagement and general cheapness. Team hasn't had a good coach in years because management will only pick from the bargain bin.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: benjipwns on August 22, 2011, 03:14:57 AM
I've been on the Austin Daye bandwagon forever. He's like Jordan without all the fat.

Or because way back in the day in Live 2000 I drafted somebody who looked exactly the same and was like 6-11, 195 and he wound up 99 rated and averaged like 25/9/7 as I won like eight titles. Clearly a prophecy about the coming of the Austin Daye era.
Quote from: pilonv1 on August 21, 2011, 11:46:19 PM
Isn't Amir Johnson (Advanced Stat for BESTGAF members) is like 6'8 right, not 7ft?
Yeah, 6-9 I think.

He crushed the shit out of the D-League. But Michael Curry wouldn't play him because he "hadn't proven himself in the league yet" which is great circular logic.

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 21, 2011, 09:17:58 PM
but it's impossible not to get into arguments over the Pistons around here.
Really? Everyone I know gave up on Joe D when he turned the Iverson cap hold into Charlie V and Ben Gordon then the Curry and Q debacles.

Quote from: Cormacaroni on August 21, 2011, 08:38:42 PM
I thought Chase Budinger was drafted by the Rockets though, and still played there.
He was essentially, the Pistons drafted him for the Rockets.

Quote from: Cormacaroni on August 21, 2011, 10:30:19 PM
To be fair, the ownership situation is fucked so it's almost impossible to do a good job as a GM there. Witness Sacramento, Portland, New Orleans etc etc. Crazy short-term Hail Mary plays called by GMs desperate for one more season, great trades shot down because of cost etc...it's just impossible to implement any kind of coherent long term strategy somewhere like Detroit I think.
The ownership thing is "fixed" now but it wasn't really because of that. It was Joe D fucking himself by first extending Rip and so on from the constant Eastern contender teams even though they clearly needed more pieces, then deciding to can Flip (to be fair the players were revolting led by Sheed and Prince) so he could hire his buddy who the players respected even less, then dealing for Iverson to get the cap space and squandering that while dumping guys like Amir.

I wouldn't call him great, but Joe D is still a pretty solid drafter. I do think he's too tied to trying to recreate the Pistons title teams and their style though.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: benjipwns on August 22, 2011, 03:15:40 AM
Speaking of the thread title, if you missed it they announced all the legends stuff:
http://espn.go.com/espn/thelife/videogames/blog/_/name/thegamer/id/6874034/the-15-legends-nba-2k12?readmore=fullstory
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 22, 2011, 03:32:41 AM
I remember defending the Iverson move, saying the cap at the end of the rainbow could translate into something good. Then...madness and stupidity. Fucking Charlie V

Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: benjipwns on August 22, 2011, 03:40:52 AM
I still don't get it.

I thought the team was still "good enough" if they punted again with Chauncey and Rip for another year plus all the young pieces they had been stacking up on after the six and a half man team that went 64-18. And did one of those "rebuild on the fly" things teams like the Spurs and Blazers did.

And I was fine with the Iverson trade. Okay, you're going to clear out some cap space and get a real rebuilding going.

Then it was like Joe D had the cash burning in his pocket and had to spend it, as fast as possible on whatever he could get.

A year before the LeBron class. Not that the Pistons could have gotten most of them anyway, but still. Oh, and then Kwame Brown!

The fact that Charlie V and Ben could barely stay on the court, let alone figure out their role on the team (along with everyone else) thanks to Kuester just made things worse. Then they had the ownership shit this year.

Thankfully, they still have Austin Daye.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Smooth Groove on August 22, 2011, 10:12:35 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on August 21, 2011, 08:38:42 PM
Daye has skills but historically, you have almost no chance of thriving at a forward spot at his weight. True Hoop ran a statistical analysis of all 3 men ever and he was waaaay at the far end of the curve. No-one else like him has ever succeeded, basically.
Yeah, dude can create his shot and has impressive range for his size.  Homeless man's Kevin Durant?

Daye definitely needs to spend more time in the weight room.  I'm seriously not exagerrating when I say that my forearm is probably thicker than his leg.  How can he be that thin after being in the NBA for two years?  In fact, he looks skinnier now than in the pictures of him last season.  If he hadn't look so much unlike the typical NBA player, you'd think that he's smoking crack in the offseason. 

[youtube=560,345]iio4wlDD_5s[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: pilonv1 on August 23, 2011, 02:59:07 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on August 22, 2011, 03:15:40 AM
Speaking of the thread title, if you missed it they announced all the legends stuff:
http://espn.go.com/espn/thelife/videogames/blog/_/name/thegamer/id/6874034/the-15-legends-nba-2k12?readmore=fullstory

Check out these confirmed rosters

http://www.pastapadre.com/2011/08/19/complete-historic-team-rosters-for-nba-2k12

Some of these teams will be so much fun

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1964-65 Celtics: K.C. Jones, Sam Jones, John Havlicek, Tom Sanders, Bill Russell, Tom Heinsohn, Larry Siegfried, John Thompson, Mel Counts

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1971-72 Knicks: Walt Frazier, Dick Barnett, Bill Bradley, Dave DeBusschere, Jerry Lucas, Phil Jackson, Earl Monroe, Willis Reed, Luther Rackley

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1990-91 Warriors: Tim Hardaway, Mitch Richmond, Chris Mullin, Tom Tolbert, Alton Lister, Rod Higgins, Sarunas Marciulionis, Mario Elie, Paul Mokeski, Vincent Askew (this team in pre-order deal)

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1992-93 Hornets: Muggsy Bogues, Kendall Gill, David Wingate, Larry Johnson, Alonzo Mourning, Dell Curry, Johnny Newman, Kenny Gattison, Tony Bennett, Sidney Green, Kevin Lynch

So excited for my Warriors and the 92-93 Hornets :hyper
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: benjipwns on August 23, 2011, 03:30:49 AM
Half of those Warriors and Hornets rosters sound like they could form a journeymen bench guys of the early-mid 90s special hidden team. Actually, throw in the 1994 Nuggets and the 1995 Magic bench and you could really create a full roster.

I should do that as an association, plus Jon Konctrak from the Hawks.  :lol

EDIT: Trailer, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHnCZsD9txU
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: benjipwns on September 08, 2011, 11:28:56 PM
(http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/editorial_image/e4/e426bb1122f08b4a4d96b683c029d0c0/jason_terrys_upcoming_championship_birthday_celebration.jpg)

ALL BLUE ERRYTHANG
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 14, 2011, 10:15:55 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/6970743/union-leader-billy-hunter-says-answers-nba-players


owners are not gonna cave this time. Players are screwed. For once I actually side with the owners in one of these sports labor situations.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: pilonv1 on September 14, 2011, 10:30:02 PM
:lol @ lil Kim
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 17, 2011, 10:56:11 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 08, 2011, 11:28:56 PM
(http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/editorial_image/e4/e426bb1122f08b4a4d96b683c029d0c0/jason_terrys_upcoming_championship_birthday_celebration.jpg)

ALL BLUE ERRYTHANG

C'mon Terry, you don't have any relevant celeb friends?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 05, 2011, 08:15:37 AM
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NEW YORK -- The NBA has canceled the remainder of the preseason and will wipe out the first two weeks of the regular season if there is no labor agreement by Monday.

Commissioner David Stern and deputy commissioner Adam Silver made the announcement after owners and players met for about four hours Tuesday but came no closer to an agreement -- despite a 50-50 split of basketball-related income being discussed as a way to break the stalemate and save the season.

"We were not able to make the progress that we hoped we could make and we were not able to continue the negotiations," Stern said.

No further meetings are scheduled. "Today was not the day to get this done. We were not able to get close enough to close the gap," union president Derek Fisher said Tuesday, speaking ahead of Stern.

The owners and the players, who have been locked out since July 1, had hoped to make significant progress and save the 2011-12 NBA season. But the two sides could not close the gap between their financial positions, and Stern said regular-season games are now at imminent risk of being lost.

"By Monday, we will have no choice but to cancel the first two weeks of the season," he said.


The players, who received 57 percent of basketball-related income in the last year of the expired agreement, said they made a new proposal of 53 percent of BRI on Tuesday -- a concession which they said would have given owners back more than $1 billion over six years.

According to the players, the owners countered with 47 percent, a slight increase from the 46 percent they had previously offered.

When the owners offered 47 percent, "that pretty much ended (the meeting)," executive director Billy Hunter said.

The two sides, in what Stern called a "very very small group," discussed whether a 50-50 split of basketball-related income was possible -- and that if so, both sides would go back to their constituencies with that plan.

"While we were in the process of doing that ... we were advised by the players that that would not be acceptable to them," Stern said Tuesday. "At that point it didn't seem to make a lot of sense to continue."

Would the owners have accepted a 50-50 split? "Adam and I felt comfortable and confident we could report to the players we could move to the next subject," Stern said.

"I was shocked (the players) didn't go for 50-50," a source on the owners' side told ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard. "That was a gutsy move on the part of the players."

But sources told Broussard that Stern, Silver and San Antonio Spurs owner Peter Holt, in a small-group meeting with Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett, Derek Fisher and union lawyer Jeffrey Kessler -- really offered the players 49 percent of BRI, with the understanding that it would actually become 51 percent based on incentives related to the projected growth of the league.

The players countered by asking for 51 percent, which would increase to 53 percent based on those same incentives. The owners rejected that.

After making concessions on basketball revenue, the players entered the last several negotiating sessions looking for the owners to do the same.

Stern said the owners had removed their demand for a hard salary cap, were no longer insisting on salary rollbacks on current salaries, and would have given players the right to opt out of a 10-year agreement after seven years. But the money split was always going to be the biggest hurdle in these negotiations, with owners insistent on the ability to turn a profit after the league said 22 of its 30 teams lost money last season.

The owners indeed wanted to make a deal to save the start of the season, none more than New York Knicks owner James Dolan, sources told Broussard.

Stern said the league is about to take a $200 million hit from missing the preseason. "There's an extraordinary hit coming to the owners and the players," he warned.

"We're long past the point where we're trying to get 100 percent of what we were looking for," Silver added. "We haven't made a secret of the fact that we'd very much like to make a deal."

Stern said the league had already agreed there would be no rollbacks of current contracts.

With no deal forthcoming, there's no next meeting scheduled, Hunter added.

"There has been no discussion about next meetings," he said. "Maybe a month. Two months. Your guess is as good as mine."

The players felt they had given enough on economics, with Hunter saying their 53 percent offer would have translated to at least $200 million per season -- a sizable chunk of the $300 million owners said they lost last season.

But with that gap remaining, and the sides still divided on the salary cap structure, the NBA is now closer to losing games to a work stoppage for only the second time. And like in 1998-99, when the season was reduced to 50 games, players say they will not accept a bad deal just to get back on the court quicker.

"Our guys have indicated a willingness to lose games," Hunter said.

With no end to the lockout in sight, a number of players have already signed contracts to play in Turkey, China and Russia. And Kobe Bryant, one of the league's marquee stars, is reportedly near a 10-game contract worth more than $3 million with Italian club Virtus Bologna.

If Bryant goes to Italy, "We wish him well," Stern said, adding the effect on talks would be "none."

"Those are their rights, we have no reaction to that other than to be safe," Stern said of players going overseas. "It's not an issue at all for the owners."

Asked if the union would consider decertifiying -- the same tactic employed by the NFL players' union in their labor dispute this past summer -- Hunter hinted it's not out of the question.

"There are a lot of things that we have to consider before we go in that direction. But clearly that's something we may have to give some thought to," he said.

The sides first met among themselves, with the bargaining session starting in the early afternoon.

Bryant arrived Tuesday for the meetings, with Garnett and Paul Pierce of the Boston Celtics among players joining the union's executive committee.

They were sitting down with the labor relations committee of the owners, who locked out the players on July 1 when the sides were unable to agree to a new CBA.

The regular season is scheduled to open Nov. 1. Players would have reported to training camps Monday, but those were postponed and 43 preseason games scheduled for Oct. 9-15 were canceled last month.

The league locked out players on July 1 after the expiration of the old collective bargaining agreement. Seeking significant changes after saying they lost $300 million last season, owners want a new salary cap structure and are seeking to reduce the players' guarantee of basketball revenues.

ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher reported Monday that six powerful player agencies sent a letter to their clients over the weekend warning them of the financial damage the current proposals would cause them, and urging them to demand a full vote on any proposed deal.

Asked about the agents' letter, Hunter said "The agents aren't in the room. We have their players in the room. These players can set the record straight."

Stern said it would be difficult to have an 82-game regular season and not start Nov. 1, noting that arenas are already pressuring the league to see if they can schedule events later this year.


http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7059973/nba-labor-first-two-weeks-season-canceled-no-deal-monday-david-stern-says
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 05, 2011, 08:27:34 AM
OH NO, NOT THE PRESEASON!

I how Stern was like "If you don't get this settled by Monday, I'm cancelling the season." Monday "Okay, if you don't settle this by NEXT monday, then I'm cancelling the season for real this time!"
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on October 06, 2011, 10:03:16 AM
Screw it, just play NBA Jam.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 06, 2011, 12:49:14 PM
Quote from: ferrarimanf355 on October 06, 2011, 10:03:16 AM
Screw it, just play NBA Jam.

Only there can I live out my dream of dominating the NBA with Chuck Person and Christian Laettner.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 10, 2011, 01:06:36 AM
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No NBA deal headed into deadline day

ESPN.com news services
NEW YORK -- NBA players and owners still have no deal headed into the deadline for starting the season on time.

Negotiators for the sides met for more than five hours Sunday before breaking for the night. They are scheduled to return Monday afternoon.

Neither side offered many details, though union officials confirmed they scrapped a planned meeting with membership in Los Angeles and will instead remain in New York to talk with league officials again.

"Another intense meeting, similar process. We're going to come back at it tomorrow afternoon," players' association president Derek Fisher said. "We're going to continue to try to put the time in to if we can get closer to getting a deal done."

If they can't come to a deal then, commissioner David Stern has said the first two weeks of the regular season will be canceled. It is scheduled to begin Nov. 1.

Stern left the meeting and said only, "no comment other than we are going to reconvene tomorrow morning."
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Himu on October 10, 2011, 03:23:18 AM
[youtube=560,345]cuSMjUTGQTg[/youtube]

[youtube=560,345]hW4uXlRGAF0[/youtube]

:bow :bow

Playing as 94 Rockets in NBA 2k12 is my favorite thing ever. :bow
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Himu on October 10, 2011, 03:29:46 AM
Trying to find that 95 Mario Ellie Sons playoff shot omg :hyper

:bow Houston vs Phoenix 95 :bow2

[youtube=560,345]aWGuUwjS4Pc[/youtube]

:bow KISS OF DEATH :bow2

95 Rockets is still my favorite team ever. Drexler :bow Team was 6th seed, fought Utah, Phoenix AND San Antonio with David Robinson winning the MVP to go onto sweep the Magic. :bow2

Vernon Maxwell tanglin' with Jordan

[youtube=560,345]Iu92R-UR12o[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2011, 03:40:03 AM
Hakeem's footwork was second to none
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Himu on October 10, 2011, 03:48:48 AM
[youtube=560,345]RBhgdg6Ydj4[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: benjipwns on October 10, 2011, 06:27:31 AM
Actually, just because the Admiral is up there in his worst moment. I've told people before that back in the day he could be like a 7-1 SG/SF and nobody believes it.

Thankfully this video is on YouTube:
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKVqpXl3M18[/youtube]

1992 Popovich in this one from the same game, heh:
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iKzLrGHU3k[/youtube]

Beating up on the Clippers:
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUn7BvZ-4ZQ[/youtube]
lol at Rodman going crazy over each basket.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 10, 2011, 09:45:57 AM
Interesting take.

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If this week’s negotiating sessions represented the 11th hour of the labor dispute, then we’re quickly approaching the 59th minute. The league has made it clear that if a deal is not in place by Monday, regular season games will be cancelled. Fans of Derek Fisher might even point out that we’re quickly approaching the point where just four tenths of a second remain.

The two sides left the negotiating room Tuesday about three percentage points apart on the biggest issue. The split of basketball related income (BRI) is the elephant in the room. It’s the key to the entire process -- come to an agreeable number on the BRI split, and everything else will fall into place.

The rhetoric following the negotiating sessions made it difficult to pin the two sides to an exact number, but it essentially boils down to the owners offering 50 percent, with the players drawing a line in the sand at 53 percent.

Three percent. It’s the difference between an opening tipoff and an empty arena.

For both sides, the negotiating process boils down to a simple question -- should we accept the offer on the table, or can we do better if we say “no” and wait?

For the players, the cost of saying “no” can be easily quantified. The owners have offered the players 50 percent of BRI. This season’s BRI is expected to be around $4 billion, so the owners are offering the players a $2 billion slice of the pie. The players are holding out for a 53 percent share, so they’re looking for $2.12 billion.

That’s $120 million that separates them. Of course, that’s just in year one. Over the course of a six-year agreement, assuming four percent growth per year, the total is closer to $796 million.

To say “no” and wait means to suffer the consequences. Those consequences very soon will be cancelled games, meaning revenue will be lost that will never be recouped. The players will be faced with choosing between a 50 percent share of a larger pie, and a 53 percent share of a smaller pie. The longer they hold out, the more the pie will shrink.

If we use the 1998-99 lockout as a guide, a canceled game costs each player 1/82nd of his salary. A full NBA regular season lasts 170 days, so each missed week represents 7/170th of a player’s income. So if a week’s worth of games is cancelled because they say “no” to the owners’ 50 percent offer, the players miss out on $82.4 million.

The players are holding out for an additional $120 million in 2011-12, but holding out costs them $82.4 million per week. They would lose everything they stand to gain this season in less than two weeks. On Monday the league is expected to announce the cancellation of the first two weeks of the season, which will cost the players $164.8 million.

Over a six year agreement, the players would burn through the $796 million in a little under 10 weeks. If they continue to hold out for 53 percent, and the owners hold firm at 50 percent, the players will reach the break-even point around December 16th. If the sides settle for 53 percent past that date, then the players would have been better off by taking the owners’ offer of 50 percent before games were cancelled.

Keep in mind that December 16th represents the point at which the players as a whole will break-even. Each individual player would need to stay in the league for six years to recoup his lost wages. In a league where the average career lasts fewer than five years, that’s going to be a problem.

This is one reason the owners have an advantage in this labor dispute -- they have a longer window of time to recoup their losses. An average player is likely to be out of the league in a few years, but an owner can hang on to his team for decades.

The players and owners need to find a way to bridge the gap. They are close enough now that a creative solution -- such as a system where players are guaranteed to make no less than 51 percent and owners are guaranteed to pay no more than 52 percent -- can save an 82-game campaign.

For players, holding out for a better deal simply doesn’t make sense.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/32334/the-player-salaries-lost-to-a-lockout
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Beezy on October 10, 2011, 10:15:44 AM
Goddammit...
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: etiolate on October 10, 2011, 10:35:12 AM
What's the point in fighting over the shares of millions if you don't fix a system that will slowly erode away those millions?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 10, 2011, 12:11:38 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v9XE7BijJA[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Mandark on October 10, 2011, 12:37:21 PM
Quote from: etiolate on October 10, 2011, 10:35:12 AM
What's the point in fighting over the shares of millions if you don't fix a system that will slowly erode away those millions?

The current system has produced increasing ratings and presumably revenue in the last few years, so that's not the problem.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 10, 2011, 03:32:25 PM
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After attending the last failed bargaining session to possibly end the NBA lockout in New York on Monday, Kobe Bryant was in a psychology classroom this week at the University of California-Santa Barbara answering questions from students and a professor about his stellar 15-year career. At one point, Bryant was asked about his lone most valuable player award in 2008 and used it as an opportunity to share a story about his former teammate and forever Wizard Kwame Brown.


I was not happy with Kwame. (Bebeto Matthews - AP) Brown, the Wizards’ No. 1 overall pick in 2001, was dealt to the Lakers for Caron Butler six years ago and played 2 1/2 seasons in Los Angeles, where he was sometimes booed at home games. Brown has had a serviceable yet undistinguished career that fell well short of expectations. But Bryant’s hilariously-delivered tale of Brown’s final game with the Lakers perhaps offered a glimpse into how confidence — or a lack thereof — contributed to his early career struggles in Washington and Los Angeles.

It probably didn’t help that Brown also had to play with two fiercely competitive and, shall we say, less-than-encouraging teammates in Michael Jordan and Bryant. But in a story complete with some head-slapping and cap-slamming, Bryant explained how he scored 39 points but the Lakers couldn’t overcome Brown’s bad hands as they lost, 90-89, to the Detroit Pistons. And, well, it’s pretty clear why the Lakers had completed a deal with Memphis for Pau Gasol the next day.

 
“I got to say, it was tough doing it that year. I was playing with guys, God bless them — God bless them — but Kwame Brown. Smush Parker. We had one game right before…by the way, what I say here, I say directly to them, see what I’m saying, I don’t talk behind people’s back. Things that I say to you, I’m comfortable saying this to them and I’ve said this to them...But like, the game before we traded for Pau, were playing Detroit and I had like 40 points towards the end of the game. This is back when Detroit had Rasheed [Wallace], Chauncey [Billups] and those guys, so we had no business being in the game. So down the stretch of the game, they put in a box and one. So I’m surrounded by these players, Detroit players, and Kwame is under the basket, all by himself. Literally, like all by himself. So I pass him the ball, he bobbled it and it goes out of bounds.
“So we go back to the timeout and I’m [upset], right? He goes, ‘I was wide open.’ ‘Yeah, I know.’ This is how I’m talking to him, like, during the game. I said, ‘You’re going to be open again, Kwame, because Rasheed is just totally ignoring you.’ He said, ‘Well, if I’m open don’t throw it to me.’ I was like, ‘Huh?’ He said, ‘Don’t throw it to me.’ I said, ‘Why not?’ He said, well, ‘I’m nervous. If I catch it and they foul me, I won’t make the free throws.’ I said, ‘Hell no!’
“I go to Phil [Jackson], I say, ‘Hey Phil, take him out of the game.’ He’s like, ‘Nah, let him figure it out.’ So, we lose the game, I go the locker room, I’m steaming. Steaming. I’m furious. Then, finally I get a call, they said, ‘You know what, we got something that’s happening with Pau.’ I was like, ‘Alright. Cool.’…That’s what I had to deal with the whole year.”
I remember traveling to Los Angeles in April of that season, when it appeared that Bryant was finally going to claim the game’s highest individual honor, and asking Bryant if he felt that his MVP run was aided by being surrounded with better talent.

My argument was that he had put together better individual seasons but few people gave him credit for playing with inferior supporting casts — especially in 2006, when he became the fifth player in NBA history to average at least 35 points, led a mediocre Lakers team to 45 wins and the playoffs, and didn’t finish in the top three in MVP voting. No doubt, Bryant concurred. He told me, “I have more bullets in the chamber now. We had Smush Parker, who is not really playing now. We had Kwame Brown, who’s in Memphis and not really playing much now. That was my point guard and my center…Now I’m fortunate to have weapons that my peers have had the last several years.”

So, yeah, he wasn’t exactly mourning the loss of Brown.

 :lol


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wizards-insider/post/kobe-bryant-has-a-kwame-brown-story/2011/10/07/gIQAgsdnSL_blog.html
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Himu on October 10, 2011, 03:41:34 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 10, 2011, 12:11:38 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v9XE7BijJA[/youtube]

No Barkley in 2k 12 is a travesty
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2011, 04:19:27 PM
[youtube=560,345]mTgtAPDyZlE[/youtube]

I still remember when Dumars signed him. Some dude at the library was going on and on about how Kwame could be a double double guy in the right system/around the right players, and how we'd be contenders with him. Then this dude comes out of nowhere and is like "Kwame Brown? Kwame Brown?" and starts laughing  :lol
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 10, 2011, 04:50:06 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2011, 04:19:27 PM
[youtube=560,345]mTgtAPDyZlE[/youtube]

:rofl
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: etiolate on October 10, 2011, 10:00:02 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 10, 2011, 12:37:21 PM
Quote from: etiolate on October 10, 2011, 10:35:12 AM
What's the point in fighting over the shares of millions if you don't fix a system that will slowly erode away those millions?

The current system has produced increasing ratings and presumably revenue in the last few years, so that's not the problem.

Were you hoping I wouldn't google that real quick to double check that or what.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 10, 2011, 10:12:57 PM
Quote
NBA cancels first 2 weeks of season

Despite meeting with players for seven hours Monday, the NBA has cancelled the first two weeks of the regular season.

Commissioner David Stern cancelled all games through Nov. 14 after owners met with the players' association in a last-ditch attempt to end the lockout and begin the 2011 season on time. He said both parties remain "very, very far apart."

NBA Lockout
The NBA owners have locked out the players, and little progress has been made in negotiations. ESPN.com Topics keeps you up to date with all of the latest on the NBA's ongoing lockout. Topics Page »

"Despite extensive efforts, we have not been able to reach a new agreement with the players' union that allows all 30 teams to be able to compete for a championship while fairly compensating our players," deputy Commissioner Adam Silver said in a statement Monday night.

Negotiators for both sides met for five hours Sunday in search of a new collective bargaining agreement. Both sides then agreed to continue meeting Monday.

Stern and Silver both took part in Monday's talks, along with senior vice president and deputy general counsel Dan Rube, San Antonio Spurs owner Peter Holt, Minnesota Timberwolves owner Glen Taylor and New York Knicks owner James Dolan.

They met with union president Derek Fisher of the Los Angeles Lakers, union vice president Maurice Evans of the Wizards, union executive director Billy Hunter and attorneys Jeffrey Kessler and Ron Klempner.

Stern said last week that the first two weeks of the regular season will be canceled Monday if the parties don't have the framework of a new labor agreement in place. The entire preseason schedule has already been canceled and training camps have been postponed indefinitely, but the Nov. 1 scheduled start to the regular season had not yet been ruled out.

Talks dissolved last week when the players rejected the league's offer to try to make a deal work by splitting annual revenues -- known as Basketball Related Income (BRI) -- at an even 50-50. In 2010-11, which was the final year of the NBA's previous six-year labor agreement, players earned 57 percent of BRI.


http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7085089/nba-labor-david-stern-cancels-first-two-weeks-nba-season
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: etiolate on October 10, 2011, 10:19:41 PM
If the players aren't allowing the shorter contracts then lol @ their faux concern for competitiveness.
Title: I'm not crazy, right?
Post by: Mandark on October 10, 2011, 10:24:14 PM
Quote from: etiolate on October 10, 2011, 10:00:02 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 10, 2011, 12:37:21 PM
Quote from: etiolate on October 10, 2011, 10:35:12 AM
What's the point in fighting over the shares of millions if you don't fix a system that will slowly erode away those millions?

The current system has produced increasing ratings and presumably revenue in the last few years, so that's not the problem.

Were you hoping I wouldn't google that real quick to double check that or what.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2010/06/18/2010-nba-finals-most-viewed-ever-on-abc-series-averaged-18-1-million-viewers/54668/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/14/nba-finals-2011-ratings-g_n_876964.html
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2011/news/story?id=6467337
http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2011/05/02/Research-and-Ratings/Overnights.aspx

 ???

Ratings fell off sharply post-Jordan, were mitigated a bit by the Shaq/Kobe Lakers, hit a nadir in '07 (with the turrible Spurs/LeBron finals) and have been rebounding in the last few years with LA, Boston, and Miami being big draws.  This is all pretty well known and uncontroversial, no?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 10, 2011, 11:14:10 PM
Yeah, possibly we are guilty of only listening to NBA front office press releases here, but ever since the Celtics in 2008, the playoff/Finals ratings have been climbing.

Then again, as always, etiolate is in Sacramento, where all seems gloomy and doom-laden.

The players screwed up big-time in not accepting that rumored 50-50 basketball revenue split. It may not have been perfect but sooooo much better than the alternative we're seeing now.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: etiolate on October 10, 2011, 11:18:42 PM
        11.3
   11.6
   12.1
   10.2
   6.5
   11.5
   8.2
   8.5
   6.2
   9.3
   8.4
   10.6
   10.2

Finals ratings since last lockout. Little consistency. Numbers go up and down. Ratings were initially higher for start of 2011 finals, but then fell off below the 2010 numbers.

Probably most telling of actual real NBA interest is the way the response to the NBA lockout has been far less passionate than a healthy league should expect.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Himu on October 10, 2011, 11:49:12 PM
Seriously, fuck the players. The owners offered a proposal that would have raised the average player's salary 5-7 million and STILL no deal. What the fuck.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Mandark on October 10, 2011, 11:56:18 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 10, 2011, 11:49:12 PM
Seriously, fuck the players. The owners offered a proposal that would have raised the average player's salary 5-7 million and STILL no deal. What the fuck.

Zuh?


Cohen:  From the Wikipedia page, I'm guessing.  The most recent year is a bit down because 2010 had a Game 7.  The funny/sad thing about that list is you can find all the Spurs appearances without having the years displayed (PROTIP: every time ratings drop 2+ points from the previous year, Greg Popovich is involved).  Anyway, it's like I said: a crater after Jordan, mild spikes with the Lakers, a low in 2007 and a recovery.  The non-Finals playoff ratings bear that out too, but really I think hardly anyone could pay attention the last couple years and think the NBA is suffering from a major decline in public interest, rather than from financial problems that affect certain teams.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 10, 2011, 11:57:55 PM
...unless they were watching from Sacramento

spoiler (click to show/hide)
or possibly Detroit
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Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: etiolate on October 11, 2011, 12:17:15 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 10, 2011, 11:49:12 PM
Seriously, fuck the players. The owners offered a proposal that would have raised the average player's salary 5-7 million and STILL no deal. What the fuck.

There's probably a bunch of he said/she said going on.

Here's the deal: If the NBA was being marketed and sold as professional basketball you wouldn't have those rating highs and lows. Stern's superstar model relies on a highly marketable star that continually wins. It just doesn't work as well without Jordan. I point out "professional basketball" because the NBA has the most talent of any high level basketball league, but its not the only one anymore. It's fucking up its talent advantage by pushing the jersey name ahead of the quality of the sport. The Jordan era worked because the media was prone to be a part of the star glorification. Scandal is much more a part of sports media now. You can't keep stars ridicule free now.

That's just the marketing problem. There's problems beyond that, like the way players can play the market and force smaller market teams to overpay for their talent and then those teams can get stuck with bad contracts. The players turn around and say "don't blame me for getting the most I can." I do blame them for the problems it creates. The problem is the player getting the most he can by forcing some markets to pay more for him than other markets creates a competitive and financial problem that devalues the league. So not only is he getting overpaid at the value he signs, but by continuing this practice, he hikes up what some markets must pay while pissing off the consumer and thus lowering the interest in the league, thus lowering his actual value over time. Of course, the owners can not just pay these guys and end up with small payrolls and a bunch of losses. This isn't good either.

To go back to how things were with a different player/owner split would just lead to this mess happening again.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Himu on October 11, 2011, 12:25:04 AM
Quote from: Mandark on October 10, 2011, 11:56:18 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 10, 2011, 11:49:12 PM
Seriously, fuck the players. The owners offered a proposal that would have raised the average player's salary 5-7 million and STILL no deal. What the fuck.

Zuh?

Hmmm, I read it wrong. Source:

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Stern says owners' proposal would've raised average player salary from $5-$7m/year.

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Stern to fans: "I say that we tried awfully hard. We made, in our view, concession after concession."
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Mandark on October 11, 2011, 12:51:44 AM
Quote from: etiolate on October 11, 2011, 12:17:15 AM
There's problems beyond that, like the way players can play the market and force smaller market teams to overpay for their talent and then those teams can get stuck with bad contracts. The players turn around and say "don't blame me for getting the most I can." I do blame them for the problems it creates. The problem is the player getting the most he can by forcing some markets to pay more for him than other markets creates a competitive and financial problem that devalues the league. So not only is he getting overpaid at the value he signs, but by continuing this practice, he hikes up what some markets must pay while pissing off the consumer and thus lowering the interest in the league, thus lowering his actual value over time. Of course, the owners can not just pay these guys and end up with small payrolls and a bunch of losses. This isn't good either.

I just don't understand your argument here.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 11, 2011, 01:04:49 AM
Meh, the NBA isn't a good product imo. There's some interesting play in the playoffs (sometimes) but that's about it. I'm not a fan of the superstar dominated play, or rules that punish defense (although to be fair, the NFL is way worse in that regard, with tonight's MNF being a major example).

NCAA :bow
Conference tournaments :bow :bow
March Madness :bow :bow :bow
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 11, 2011, 10:03:39 AM
I love the NBA. Don't really care about any of that other stuff. Despise college basketball. Comma inducing from where I sit. I also don't argue with etiolate about NBA stuff anymore. Nice dude but he clearly hates everything about the modern nba. In that sense I'm not sure why he bothers watching but whateve.


I also don't really have a dog in the fight versus owners and players although I generally side with unions. It was pretty clear the owners were much more united this go around and this would be a much longer and nastier lockout/strike than some of the previous ones. Personally just hoping they have a 50 game season which seems like the most realistic case at this point although it wouldn't shock me if the entire season was wiped.

Also tickled a bit at the oweners. They claimed that competitive balance was their #1 issue but it seems like the real issue was always the money split. I haven't heard dick about the hard cap recently.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 12, 2011, 06:21:59 PM
Quote
Pointing two fingers
Henry Abbott
ESPN.com

The best efforts of Billy Hunter and David Stern have not been enough.
Anything you hear about "the owners" being one way or "the players" being another is likely wrong. Both groups are all over the damned place.

Some bloody-minded owners want to get every last penny out of players now and forevermore. Some strident players would shutter the league for the long haul rather than give up a percentage or two.

But the people on the two committees -- and more importantly the key negotiators for both groups -- know the issues, define success as a completed deal, and wanted this done before now.

And they failed.

Why aren't these groups more unified? You could blame all kinds of people, but let's point the fingers at the people whose job it is to keep these groups together.

Blame David Stern

Credibility
The entire negotiation has been about the owners wanting two things: (1) more money and (2) significant new controls over the players’ portion of the money.

Making things better for players has not been on the owners' agenda at any point, because the league has long been saying that it is now, and long has been, losing money.

And it may well be so.

But as the league's list of loss-induced demands has grown distressingly long, a reasonable question has become: Just how bad is this financial pain, anyway? Under Stern, the league has not been careful about protecting the league's credibility. (Just a sampling.) They have smeared enemies as they have seen fit, even as it has meant stretching the truth.

Stern brags now and again about "knowing where the bodies are buried."

It appears to be entirely impossible, now, for this administration to convince players that this time there really is a wolf.

Incompetence
If the league has losses, whose fault is that?

The NBA agreed to give players 57 percent of basketball-related income starting in 1999. Since then, no one disputes revenues have more than doubled to last season's all-time high.

Late Monday night a union official laughed at Stern's talk of the state of the economy, noting "the NBA's economy doesn't stink."

Even after players are paid, the NBA now brings owners a billion or so dollars more, every year, than it once did.

If the league is financially strong, then this entire negotiation has been a sham at the expense of the players.

If the league is financially weak right now, however, is it even possible that it has been well-managed? What the hell happened to all that money?

Along these lines, back in February 2010, Stern said one reason the league needed help from the players in a new CBA was because it cost so much to open offices overseas, for instance in China and India. This makes no sense, though. The investments in those markets will either pay off long-term or not. If they will make their own financial sense, they're good investments that need not be helped along by players. If they won't pay off in the long-term ... why did Stern's office make those investments at all?

Stern's reputation as a labor negotiator has been nicked up a bit, too. As an ownership source describes it, Stern miscalculated by making the league's best offer of 50 percent of basketball-related income prematurely. Once the players rejected that, the conversation changed such that the players were at 53 and the league was now at 50, making the natural meeting point north of 51.

But sources say 50 is as high as the owners were willing to go, and Stern should have saved that final offer for the moment when players would have accepted it. The point of these years of talks is to know when it's deal time.

Meanwhile, Stern has been backpedaling in his public comments. Last week he was blustering that he could have talked his owners into 50. This week Stern said the players knocked on the door of the owners' closed-door meeting to reject the 50 split before he could complete the process of convincing his owners. The point of massaging this message was to pretend that the premature 50 offer never really happened, meaning the two sides are stuck at 47 and 53 -- numbers where the natural meeting point of 50 is in line with what Stern can actually offer.

Not all-powerful anymore
There are some downsides to life under a dictator. But the upside is that it's easy to get things done. Things don't get stuck in committee, you know?

But here's where the NBA has changed. Decades ago Stern managed a band of owners who could scarcely lose. They bought teams cheaply, spent moderately on players and could turn a profit any time they decided to sell. The whole industry benefited from decades of profit-inspiring innovations. Stern was always the smart guy who cared the most, and had a lot of leeway to do what he wanted.

Now, however, the league is no longer an ATM for owners, and Stern is managing aggressive investors and dealmakers who demand major input over their expensive enterprises. Owners paid fortunes for their teams and have been paying big bills through the recession. They're also some of the most savvy business people in the world. That's why the owners started with an incredibly hard line. By the time Stern made the league's only halfway decent half-offer, of 50 percent of BRI, he was already beyond the comfort zone of many of his owners.

Even if Stern believed going to 51 or 52 percent of BRI would enable the system changes his owners want, it's not clear he could have brought his owners along with him.

Blame Billy Hunter

Leading from behind
The key public moment of these talks remains last Tuesday's press conference where Stern announced how aghast he was that his side's best offer had been rebuffed.

Why was he so surprised?

Because Stern had been listening to Hunter and his negotiating committee (the Mo Evanses and Roger Masons) through years of talks, and they had signaled openness to that kind of deal.

But suddenly all those people were sidelined. Lo and behold the dominant voices belonged to macho men like Kevin Garnett, Arn Tellem, Steve Nash, Ray Allen, Dwyane Wade, Dan Fegan, Kobe Bryant, Paul Pierce and others who had either dropped in on a session or two or, in the case of the agents, weren't even in the negotiating room.

The player storyline had been that they simply wanted to play. Now they just want to play ... for 53 percent of old BRI and a very soft cap.

That may be a fair position, but it did not come from Hunter. Until last week. Where Stern was at least willing to whip his owners into line enough to make a move to the edge of their comfort zones, Hunter appeared to be determined to move only as far as his most vocal constituents.

There will have to come a time when the union sells players hard on compromise. But it has not come yet, and the evidence is mounting that when it does come it will have to come from president Derek Fisher, and not Hunter, who has yet to show much tough love in his own camp.

Threatlessness
There are good arguments against decertification. NFL players came out of the process with the kinds of paycuts NBA players have already been offered. And no one disputes doing so costs a fortune in legal fees, mires the process in the courts while doing almost nothing constructive to build consensus between players and owners, which is the only way this can end.

However, there's no denying that decertification would be beyond a hassle for the owners. They'd have to gear up for one of the most costly legal battles in sports history, with the threat of triple damages if they were to ultimately lose an antitrust case. This is one way a fight could cost owners way more than players.

Hunter failed, however, to ever make a meaningful threat of decertification. He almost never brings it up, and when asked about it the best he can muster are comments along the lines of "it's something we might have to think about."

This matters in no small part because if Hunter had kept his meanest threat around, those powerful agents would have been unlikely to have turned their flamethrowers on the collective bargaining process. By refusing to play that brand of hardball, Hunter inspired a whisper campaign by those who point out that Hunter is one of the only people in these talks who won't miss a penny of salary no matter happens -- so long as the union that employs him does not disband.

The numbers
The lockout comes down to whether or not you believe the owners are fat cats. The NBA says 22 teams lost a combined $450 million last season.

Hunter says it wasn't that bad.

How bad was it? Hunter, disappointingly, can't really say.

What do the union's forensic accountants report? What about the tax returns and certified financial statements the league proudly made available for the first time in history? What are the off-book profit streams the owners have in place? How much is it that the owners really make, even when you roll in all the other benefits of ownership?

Specific theories about all of that have come from just about everywhere but the union, which as far as I can tell has not been particularly aggressive in trying to pin down the NBA's real-world bottom line. It's not clear they even have forensic accountants.

This is a small stylistic detail with huge practical implications.

The stylistic part is much like sports' "Moneyball" debate. Are you or are you not going to employ and trust aggressive Ivy Leaguers with spreadsheets and a knack for sniffing out value?

Hunter is not that kind of guy, just like a lot of NBA GMs don't trust advanced stats. Even though it's 2011, and even though these methods are commonplace in most industries, many people just can't bring themselves to believe that numbers can express the kinds of things numbers claim to express these days. Fair enough. Not everybody is into the geeky thing.

However, it's a big, real problem now as far as saving the season goes. Because the truth is that Hunter and the players are bargaining on the assumption that the losses, if real at all, are small, and that the owners will cave to reignite a promising enterprise.

Which might be right, or might be wrong.

The IRS knows precisely how much money I make every year, which makes it easy for them to decide a fair amount for me to pay them. Their knowledge makes the process of figuring out what's fair pretty simple.

But imagine if they had no idea how much I made. You know what'd happen? We'd fight. Every year. Even if I told the gospel truth they'd be suspicious. And they might, once in a while, get it in their heads to just treat me like a liar just to keep me honest.

I'm a little worried that might be what's driving this lockout right now. Without a real answer to the question of whether or not the teams need more help from players, Hunter can't say for certain what kind of a deal is fair. Instead, he has to make owners, essentially, give 'til it hurts. That could be painful for owners ... and players and fans, too.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/32415/pointing-two-fingers
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on October 12, 2011, 06:31:13 PM
NBA 2k12 is amazing. I love the NBA Greats mode and the presentation
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 12, 2011, 09:53:38 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 10, 2011, 03:23:18 AM
Playing as 94 Rockets in NBA 2k12 is my favorite thing ever. :bow

Can you play as the Sonics in it? I'd buy it if so.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: benjipwns on October 12, 2011, 09:56:21 PM
Yeah, 1995-96 Sonics.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 12, 2011, 09:56:43 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 12, 2011, 09:56:21 PM
Yeah, 1995-96 Sonics.

Even better! :rock
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 12, 2011, 10:49:34 PM
[youtube=560,345]f0sSI271MvA[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Mandark on October 12, 2011, 11:51:29 PM
I like the idea of historical teams, but I think the traditionally shitty franchises should get Hypothetical Teams you can play as.  You could play as the late 80's Clippers if they had pulled off that 2-picks-for-MJ trade, or the team that we all hoped the '95 Bullets would become.

[youtube=560,345]xBI3gTydodQ[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: etiolate on October 13, 2011, 01:46:29 AM
You could always just play the Webber era Kings team instead.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 13, 2011, 02:46:09 AM
Quote from: etiolate on October 13, 2011, 01:46:29 AM
You could always just play the Webber era Kings team instead.

Sweet, I could play Dick Bavetta and make sure they don't win anything
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 13, 2011, 02:50:09 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 13, 2011, 02:46:09 AM
Quote from: etiolate on October 13, 2011, 01:46:29 AM
You could always just play the Webber era Kings team instead.

Sweet, I play the Dick Bavetta and can make sure they don't win anything

:lol
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 15, 2011, 02:25:48 PM
Quote
The moment the talks fell apart
October, 15, 2011

By Henry Abbott
ESPN.com



October 4: The day talks to save the NBA season went haywire.

David Stern, Billy Hunter, Derek Fisher, Adam Silver, Spurs owner Peter Holt, union lawyers Ron Klempner and Jeffrey Kessler ... with various others dropping in from time to time, that crew of seven had met more than 40 times and for untold hours over the last two years. None of them had had good summers.

But all those hours in rented conference rooms, all those dishes of hotel mints, rows of water glasses and catered lunches had not been a total waste of time. They had led to some things. The league had dropped its insistence on a hard cap, for instance. The players had offered to hand over something close to a billion dollars in future earnings.

And more importantly, by last Tuesday, there was a deal in the air.

Both sides were still keeping their best offers secret ... but those in the room say they were getting a sense where things were headed. You can tell a hell of a lot about where things are headed, Stern says, "if you listen."

"We thought we could live," union head Hunter said later on WFAN, "with the deal we were close to making."

On Oct. 4, the NBA's negotiators entered a midtown Manhattan hotel with more than a little glimmer of hope.

There would still be issues to deal with, like the luxury tax, cap exceptions and the length of contracts. But even the hardest-bitten journalists in the hallway allowed that it could, finally, be deal day.

The league's negotiators had four things going for them:
A memory of Kessler suggesting, about a month earlier, in another hotel, at another meeting, that the players might go for something like a 50/50 split of basketball revenues.
Out of a meeting with owners in Dallas, little consensus about what Stern could offer the players, but nevertheless an agreement among owners to empower the league's labor committee to negotiate with players "on all points."
The league's labor committee, more than a third of the league's owners, including those from the Lakers, Knicks, Celtics and Spurs, assembled in New York ready to deal.
The scheduled November start of the regular season around the corner.

What happened next will one day be studied by students of labor, business, race relations and more.

Nobody disputes that Stern and Silver talked to Fisher and Kessler in the hallway, bringing up what they thought would be music to Kessler's ears. His offer, of splitting basketball-related income down the middle ... maybe it was time to see if the two sides could sell that to their respective groups.

Stern was confident he could talk enough owners into it, and as for the players ... Kessler was their pit bull. And this was his idea!

Having floated their big idea, the offer so sweet it just might get them in trouble with their owners, the league officials were excited to know they at least had a victory in the bag. They'd have a long night of dealing with systems issues ahead of them, but maybe, just maybe, this long summer of meetings could be wrapped up. Maybe the season would be intact.

Denied

As Stern has recounted a dozen times since, not long after what was supposed to have been the hallway conversation that saved the season, something odd and wholly unexpected happened. There was a knock on the door where Stern was selling his owners on the idea. The players wanted to talk.

When they convened, instead of the union's head, Hunter, or their negotiating committee of Maurice Evans, Matt Bonner, Roger Mason, Theo Ratliff, Etan Thomas and Chris Paul, representing the players were Fisher, Kessler, and three superstars who had been to very few of the meetings at all: Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Kobe Bryant.

A bad sign: Pierce was still wearing his backpack.

The players had two pieces of news that shocked the league: 50/50 was not good enough. And there was nothing further to discuss.

"We had a large group of owners," remembers Silver, "who had flown in and were prepared to negotiate around the clock."

More importantly, they had made an aggressively good offer, the NBA's leaders thought, the one that might get them in trouble with their owners but surely not with the players.

And players who hadn't even been in the talks, and who seemed not to be on the same page with the crew that had endured more than 40 meetings, had been the ones to reject the best offer the league was likely to have, and to end the best day of negotiations prematurely.

What in the hell was going on? How had they so misread the situation? And where was Hunter? Who spoke for the union? Should the league have been negotiating with Garnett all along?

Later the league would suggest that the talks had fallen apart because the union happened to have some particularly strident players show up that day.

Maybe it's as simple as that. Or maybe it's much more complicated.

Patently false

Here's one explanation of why the players rejected that 50/50 offer: Perhaps they never made it.

Union vice president and Spurs forward Matt Bonner says "Kessler definitely didn't offer 50/50. There's no way."

Bonner points out that it had been a "huge ordeal" to convince players to agree to take only 53 percent, after a dozen years of earning 57. "That was a huge point of contention. Talking to all these veterans and All-Stars, they were upset we went down to 53. We had to sell them on that. I'm pretty certain Kessler didn't have the authority to offer 50, and nobody in the room would have agreed to that."

Another union official allows Kessler may have said something in the weeks prior that could have been misunderstood as offering 50, but "it's patently false," he says, that Kessler made anything like a proposal. "There's a lot of discussion back and forth that takes place, particularly in the small group meetings. It's a complete mischaracterization to say that whatever happened constituted any kind of formal proposal at that point."

In either case, nothing here can be considered remotely good news for basketball fans. The moment when it seemed like negotiators may have been all together at the same number was the most optimistic of the entire process. That it may have always been a misunderstanding, or more importantly that owners seem to genuinely have no interest in going higher than 50, and players genuinely no interest in going below 53, makes this look bad -- before even touching the thorny issues of the luxury tax, raises and cap exceptions.

Stern said Friday that he's not sure whether he can even get his owners to go for 50 anymore. Meanwhile, I asked Bonner if he thought the owners would to higher than 50, and he said "I hope so, for the sake of the season."

Now it's no longer a story of what Hunter and Stern may be able to hash out in a hotel. Now it's about big groups of owners and players, all across the globe, who are not close to seeing eye-to-eye, but do have final say.

"System changes"

There's another thing that could be happening, too.

Remember The Decision? That night in July 2010, something happened that angered basketball fans like nothing else. It can be framed as LeBron James being egotistical, or cowardly, or whatever else. But it can also be framed as a young black man just being sick of doing what old white guys tell him to do.

There was a playbook for free agency, a procedure, some decorum. And James tossed it. No, after earning Dan Gilbert the sun, the moon and the stars, he does not also owe him a phone call. No, he doesn't have to let some other, whiter, older entity control the production of his announcement. No, he doesn't have to stick to the storyline of local hero, or even player. He really does have the power to play GM, to assemble a super team, and that's what he would do.

The message to a lot of fans was that James just got it all wrong. But the message to a lot of players was that James did what 1,000 players have been dreaming of doing for years -- he acted fully empowered -- and it's hard to say he failed at it. He made his millions, and the Finals. His team is intact. His business life is sound. He'll be contending for championships for years.

It's a business revolution with young black men, basketball players, in the corner offices. A new way of doing things, long overdue, and happening now.

And maybe that's what Stern encountered in that hotel room in New York: a new generation of fully empowered players who no longer believe they have to conform to much of anything.

Just three days earlier, with James in attendance, James' teammate Dwyane Wade had yelled at David Stern. "You're not pointing your finger at me," Wade said, sources told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher. "I'm not your child."

On Friday, a role player for a middling team got a surprise phone call, from just about the biggest name in the sport -- somebody who had never called him before. The message: Hold firm at 53. We're not caving. Hang in there. It wasn't the only call of its kind, and when you talk to players now there is religious fervor, around the number 53, and around not giving owners any freebies on the other issues.

Owners are indignant that they have endured dreadful losses that must be righted. Players, meanwhile, are indignant that compared to the old CBA every concession to date has come from them. The issues are sounding more religious than ever, and it's doubtful that, at the moment, anyway, either Hunter or Stern is capable of rallying his followers to build a bridge to the other side.

And if it's driven by players' blossoming and deep-rooted self-determination, then they can't be expected to budge. I just hope, for the NBA's sake, that they chose the correct line to draw in the sand.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/32504/the-moment-the-talks-fell-apart
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 15, 2011, 04:08:40 PM
something something modern day slavery
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 20, 2011, 04:41:51 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyFuoo0kXzw&feature=feedu[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 20, 2011, 07:06:31 PM
:bow
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 20, 2011, 11:55:38 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-1Mdj9Ku-8[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 27, 2011, 10:08:43 PM
Apparently there is progress being made.


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NEW YORK -- After meeting for roughly seven hours, NBA players and owners wrapped up Thursday's labor talks around 9:30 p.m. ET.

The sides are scheduled to resume talks Friday morning.

Small groups from both sides returned to a hotel Thursday less than 12 hours after finishing a 15-hour meeting that went past 3 a.m. ET. Both sides acknowledged there was progress on issues related to the salary cap system, though they didn't offer any specifics.

Commissioner David Stern said before Thursday's meeting that he expected to continue discussing the system. And union executive director Billy Hunter said they might be in a better position to quantify the progress on specific issues following those talks.

Though the first two weeks of the season have been canceled because of the lockout, Hunter said he believed 82 games were still possible with a deal by Sunday or Monday.

"We're not putting a specific date on it," Stern said . "We just think we've got to do it soon, and if we could make a deal obviously we're partnered with the union in an effort to have as many games as we can."

A full season might be difficult even with a deal this week. It takes roughly 30 days from agreement to games being played, so it's uncertain if there's still time for any basketball in November even before examining arena availability. But 82 games would be a boost for the players, meaning they wouldn't miss the paycheck that seemed lost when the first two weeks were scrapped.

"We haven't been promised or guaranteed that if we get a deal done by a certain date, that we'll get a full 82-game schedule," union president Derek Fisher said. "But I think to Billy's point, the likelihood or at least the chance of that happening, although it may be slim, is still possible if a deal is reached within the next four or five days."

It was widely expected Stern would announce further cancellations this week after talks broke down a week ago. Instead, the sides were in communication the next day, staffs met Monday, and they were back at the bargaining table Wednesday, acting on Hunter's recommendation to "park" the revenue split and focus first on the system issues.

"I think that everybody realizes that the first two weeks of the season had been canceled, and I think the NBA was approaching the point whereby it would feel compelled to make another announcement with regard to when they were going to cancel additional games," Hunter said, "and if there was any hope of trying to recapture the lost games and be able to complete a full season of 82 games, then there had to be a way to get back and talk."

Both sides were cautious not to get too excited about Wednesday's talks. The revenue split emerged last week as the bigger obstacle to a new collective bargaining agreement, and they will have to revisit the issue soon.

Players were guaranteed 57 percent of basketball revenues under the last CBA and have proposed a reduction to about 52.5. Owners have repeatedly said they won't go beyond a 50-50 split, which would leave the sides about $100 million apart annually based on last season's revenues.

And there's no indication owners will relax their demand.

"They know where we stand," deputy commissioner Adam Silver said.

The players might be more open to a 50-50 split if they get to keep some of the system issues they desire. Fisher said after Wednesday's talks there were some "key principal items in our system that have to remain there" for them to consider a further reduction of income.

Stern said owners had a pretty good idea of what those items were. Whether they were doable could determine if they would keep talking into the weekend.

"We've been trying very hard to reach for them," Stern said. "We are united on the NBA side in wanting a system that makes all teams competitive. We have some strong views on what the best way to do that is, and we're trying to unify those views. The owners themselves are all of a mind that we have some overarching goals, and it's our job to give a voice to those and to see whether we can make the best possible arrangement for them."

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7157736/nba-lockout-sides-wrap-talks-night-meet-again-friday
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 27, 2011, 11:21:22 PM
Man I am gonna be

 :elephant  :elephant  :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant

if they get a deal done by Friday and preserve the 82 game season. I miss it SO BAD.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Smooth Groove on October 28, 2011, 12:27:10 AM
Cormac, check out ballislife if you haven't already.  I've been using it to relieve my basketball jones ever since the season ended.  There're lots of interesting footage, including a young Iverson dominating in a pickup game straight out of jail. 
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: pilonv1 on October 28, 2011, 03:18:20 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on October 27, 2011, 11:21:22 PM
Man I am gonna be

 :elephant  :elephant  :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant

if they get a deal done by Friday and preserve the 82 game season. I miss it SO BAD.

Me too. Feels so weird to not have basketball at this time of year, I feel so empty
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 28, 2011, 03:21:07 AM
We've already been denied all the offseason trades etc. It's gonna be the wildest few weeks of trades/signings ever once they announce the start dates.

Anyone remember the last lockout (Knicks/Spurs asterisky finals)? I wasn't following the league back then. Did they allow a moratorium on the trade deadline or something?
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2011, 03:31:37 AM
They moved it to sometime in late March or something. It was pretty much in the same "position" as the normal one in terms of where it was located in the season.

EDIT: It was March 11th, season started February 5th.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 28, 2011, 12:47:13 PM
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Three reasons for the new mood
October, 27, 2011

By Henry Abbott
ESPN.com

Derek Fisher declared, "It gets tougher towards the end."

Adam Silver said "we remain apart on both" systems and economic issues. "So from that standpoint," he added, "we're disappointed."

But who will remember one more dose of gloom when, for the first time in a long time, it came with some sunshine.

David Stern and Billy Hunter started cracking smiles Thursday night.

Stern invaded Hunter's news conference and literally yukked it up from the back row.

Hunter spied him there and called him out with a grin. Their back-and-forth included each proclaiming to the other, "Tomorrow!"

It's the first time either side has been this jolly and the first time either side has declared a day as the day. Friday is the day, and no one's afraid to say it.

"There are no guarantees that we'll get it done," Stern said, "but we're going to give it one heck of a shot tomorrow. I think that Billy and the union's negotiators feel the same way." He later added, in a notable softening of earlier public tones: "We're prepared to negotiate over everything. We're looking forward to it."

We're looking forward to it? That does not sound one bit like war. What is the source of all this?

One part of the story is that federal mediator George Cohen was effective. While he was not able to inspire final consensus last week, he did force meaningful progress on several of the trickier issues.

Also, having blown through chances to prevent the lockout, the cancellation of the preseason and missing the first weeks of the regular season, both sides appear to be genuinely motivated to meet the next deadline, coming any day now, which is the latest possible day to make a deal while preserving the chance of an 82-game season.

A third contributing factor, according to multiple sources, has been the absence this week of one of the union's most feared negotiators, lawyer Jeffrey Kessler.

Owners make no bones of the fact that Kessler, the first name in American sports law, is a bear in the bargaining room.

Some point out that the NFL players got a deal only after Kessler left the room. (Kessler might point out that the NFL players didn't get the best deal.)

Much was made of Portland owner Paul Allen's appearance in last week's mediated session. The suggestion was that he was there to send a message that owners were holding a hard line.

NBA sources, however, say it was nothing of the sort. In fact, they say, he was there at the invitation of the NBA's negotiators to watch Kessler. Allen was one of several owners who thought Stern and Silver had made players an overly generous offer of 50 percent of basketball-related income. The league's lead negotiators essentially replied: Go see for yourself. You think you can get Kessler to go for 47 percent? Good luck to you.

In the ongoing dance between Hunter and NBA agents -- many of whom feel Hunter is soft, risk-averse or ineffective -- Kessler has been seen as something of a shield for Hunter. If a tough lawyer such as that will go for Hunter's deal, who are the agents to complain?

But that shield has been out of action and not, sources insist, because he is in the doghouse.

Kessler is a partner at Dewey & LeBoeuf, where he handles many kinds of complex litigation beyond sports and chairs the global litigation department. That work has taken him to Russia for a few days, a period that happens to coincide with Stern and Hunter remembering how to laugh.

The joke making the rounds is that politically connected Nets owner Mikhail Prokhorov ought to have Kessler detained there.

What's not a joke, however, is that Kessler has been absent just two days, and for better or for worse, as far as the players are concerned, already there's anticipation of the announcement NBA fans have been craving for four months.


http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/32927/three-reasons-for-the-new-mood
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 28, 2011, 07:11:13 PM
 :maf

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With talks between the NBA's locked-out players and owners breaking off Friday without a deal, commissioner David Stern has announced the cancellation of games through Nov. 30th and that the NBA will not play a full season "under any circumstances."

"It's not practical, possible or prudent to have a full season now," Stern said.

Stern made the announcement after a third consecutive day of meetings ended without a deal in sight. While the two sides made progress on system issues during talks on Friday, progress screeched to a halt when the topic turned to revenues, he said.

Reiterating the league's offer to go as high as a 50-percent split of basketball-related income with the players, Stern said union executive director Billy Hunter "said that he was not willing to go a penny below 52 (percent)."

"He closed up his book and walked out of the room. And that's where we are," Stern said.

No further talks have been scheduled.

The players will not accept a 50-50 split, Hunter and union president Derek Fisher of the Los Angeles Lakers said.

"Derek and I made it clear that we could not sell the 50-50 deal to our membership. Not with all the concessions that we've granted," Hunter said. "We've got to have some dollars."

"We feel like we've made concessions," Fisher added. "Right now it's not enough."

After two days of making some progress on salary-cap issues, the two sides turned their attention back to the revenue split Friday, the 120th day of the lockout. Talks broke down last week over that issue, and they had not attempted to deal with it since.

The players last formally proposed getting 52.5 percent, leaving them about $100 million apart annually. Players were guaranteed 57 percent in the previous collective bargaining agreement.

Hunter said the league initially moved its target down to 47 percent during Friday's six-hour session, then returned to its previous proposal of 50 percent of revenues.

"We're not quite sure if they're at 50 or if they're really at 47," Fisher said.

But Stern challenged that characterization, saying the league's offer was 50 percent.

Either way, the league's financial losses will mount as games are lost.

"We've lost 200 million dollars, we're going to lose several hundred (million) more," Stern said. "We're going to have to recalculate how bad the damage is. ... The next offer will reflect the extraordinary losses that are piling up now."

Discussions about the salary cap system also proved problematic, Hunter said.

"We've told them that we don't want a hard cap. We don't want a hard cap any kind of way, either an obvious hard cap or a hard cap that may not be as obvious to most people but we know it works like a hard cap," Hunter said. "And so you get there, and then all of a sudden they say, 'Well, we also have to have our number.' And you say, 'Well wait a minute, you're not negotiating in good faith."

Though they will miss a paycheck on Nov. 15, Hunter said each player would have received a minimum of $100,000 from the escrow money that was returned to them to make up the difference after salaries fell short of the guaranteed 57 percent of revenues last season.

The sides met for 7½ hours Thursday following a 15-hour marathon the previous day.

"We're not sure when we're going to meet again, but we're hopeful that soon enough we can get back at this and try and close this out," Fisher added. "Today wasn't the day."

Some David Aldridge Tweets

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Tweets


daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Stern: these are not punitive announcements, they are calendar announcements...
32 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Stern: both sides are very badly damaged. The $ lost to the owners is extraordinary, and the $ lost to players is also extraordinary
33 minutes ago

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Stern: you can assume our (next) offer will change to reflect the changed economics from missing games.
36 minutes ago

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Stern says league has moved to five year contracts for Bird FAs, four on non-Birds.
38 minutes ago

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Stern; we think at 50-50, we'd be in a profit situation.
41 minutes ago

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Games officially cancelled thru Nov 30. Stern: "...there will not be a full NBA season under any circumstances."
42 minutes ago

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Stern says owners were willing to go to 50, and that Hunter sId he couldn't below 52, and left the room.
43 minutes ago

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Stern: we've had, until this afternoon, some good days..
45 minutes ago

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Union looking for lux tax payees to be able to still use exceptions to sign FAs.
1 hour ago

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Source confirms cancellation of games thru 11/30, as reported by ESPN, Yahoo!
1 hour ago
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daldridgetnt David Aldridge
To summarize: sides still can't make last 2.5 pts (league 50, union 52.5). Almost there on tax. Exceptions 4 lux tax payers major issue.
1 hour ago
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on October 28, 2011, 07:22:23 PM
just go to a football/soccer schedule of one game a week. I don't see why that's so bad. It adds excitement to the league and doesn't stress the players.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Beezy on October 28, 2011, 07:33:15 PM
So fucking annoyed. I feel like I've been lied to.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 28, 2011, 07:49:07 PM
Quote from: Beezy on October 28, 2011, 07:33:15 PM
So fucking annoyed. I feel like I've been lied to.

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV7yx2y3TtY[/youtube]
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: pilonv1 on October 28, 2011, 09:19:18 PM
Hunter is the problem here. He fucked up not taking the deal a month ago and he can't accept a worse deal now or look like a moron.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: OptimoPeach on October 28, 2011, 09:33:45 PM
Oh well. I hope they whole season is canceled and everyone involved eats shit
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 29, 2011, 04:57:22 AM
Quote from: pilonv1 on October 28, 2011, 09:19:18 PM
Hunter is the problem here. He fucked up not taking the deal a month ago and he can't accept a worse deal now or look like a moron.

I think there is a lot of blame to go around, but let's face it, most of it belongs with the incredibly bad GMs who made the shitty contracts that got everyone into this situation of not being able to make money in a golden age of talent. I have complete confidence that no matter what the terms of the new CBA, GMs will still trip over themselves to hand out deals that anyone ITT could spot as throat-slittingly dumb.

My two-point solution for owners:
1) STOP HIRING EX-PLAYERS 'CAUSE THEY'RE 'COOL'.
2) HIRE SOME SHARKS WITH SOME ANALYTIC SKILLS AND TAKE A FUCKING BACKSEAT

For Hunter and Stern, stop thinking about how to split up the pie you already have in a manner that makes more people happy. This is fundamentally IMPOSSIBLE (as giving pie to one side means taking it from the other) and should not be the goal.

INSTEAD, YOU NEED TO MAKE MORE PIE. Focus on how to grow the league sensibly into China and Europe, how to poach more talent (both players, coaches and managerial) from those areas. Focus on how to get more people watching from home via the net, cable, whatever - regular folks only pay attention to grudge matches that prefigure playoff battles, the All Star Game, and playoffs. Make more of those by making the top teams play more against each other, cut down on meaningless regular season games and make the playoffs crazier. Use the lighter schedule to allow travel time for games overseas, which have league-seeding consequences. Create new championships to compete for like in soccer! Make every game mean something, and have every outcome in play. Then we'll be back to the golden days of everyone rolling so deep that no-one will need to bitch.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2011, 09:27:45 AM
I love how I went to bed with the news that "Stern was smiling" and we were about to have a deal. Then later on Friday I remembered there was supposed to be a deal (so used to not even bothering looking at NBA websites) and checked the news and it was all "ALL OF NOVEMBER CANCELLED, IS DEREK FISHER INCOMPETENT?"
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 29, 2011, 01:21:52 PM
The me it looks like the owners want the players to bend over and get fucked. And the players have to decide whether getting fucked in this situation is worth it. Dropping down from 57% revenue to 50% and not getting anything much in return for it is indeed getting fucked imo.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Mandark on October 29, 2011, 01:45:38 PM
Does anyone know the enforcement mechanism for the BRI split?  Is the percentage of money the players get used in a formula to set the salary cap/luxury tax threshold?  Are there bonus payments made if the total salaries in a season are less than the players' share?  I just realized I have no idea what a 50/50 split would actually mean.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2011, 02:38:38 PM
Under the current system a % of player salaries are held in escrow (8-10%), if at the end of the season the share is below the % of BRI the players get it back, if not it's given to the teams. With teams under the luxury tax getting a full share.

If that escrow doesn't cover the split, it's deducted from player salaries the next season.

EDIT: I think I misread your question, if the players share is still lower than the % they're guaranteed even after the escrow is returned then the league will give all players an extra payment to make it meet the share. I don't remember if this is based on salary or if they just all get a check for the same amount.

The salary cap and luxury tax are set by percentages of BRI. 51% and 61% I believe.

Currently the players are guaranteed 57% of BRI.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Mandark on October 29, 2011, 02:57:01 PM
Thank you :)
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2011, 03:02:10 PM
It's also worth noting that BRI has all these exceptions like running the arena and stuff. So if the Mavs earned $2 billion winning the title this year, theoretically $1.9 billion of that could have been exempt and thus only $100 million goes into BRI. It's not really a huge amount like that, but is still enough that the union has complained about it from time to time.

If you think this is bad, wait for when the TV deal is up for renewal in a few years. I am, of course, assuming that they won't be agreeing to something that goes beyond that date.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 29, 2011, 04:37:00 PM
I think symbolism is a big part of the revenue split between owners and players. Which is not to boil it down to something so stupid when I know a lot of smart people and lawyers are involved and what it means in real dollar terms. The players do not want an even split after not having an even split in the prior contract. And the owners are absolutely fixated on an even split because it means the players don't run the show symbolically. It's also about saving face for each side now that the numbers are public. When a deal is done we'll know which side "won" based on that split and neither side is willing to give in. It will take some creative thinking to solve this problem.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 31, 2011, 11:56:41 PM
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In New Book, Shaq Explains How Kobe’s Sexual Assault Charges Destroyed The Lakers
Shaq Uncut: My Story, the Diesel's new autobiography written with noted Around the Horn personage Jackie MacMullan, comes out November 15 and it dropped on our desk today. There's some juicy stuff in there, most obviously about the beef between Shaq and Kobe. We had always known that the feud took a turn for the worse during the 2003-04 season, but we never before knew what caused it. Now we have some insight.
Here's Shaq, on the Kobe feud:

So I'm on edge because I don't have a new deal, and Kobe is on edge because he might be going to jail, so we're taking it out on each other. Just before the start of the '03-'04 season the coaching staff called us in and said, "No more public sparring or you'll get fined." ... Phil was tired of it. Karl Malone and Gary Payton were sick of it. ... So what happens? Immediately after that Kobe runs right out to Jim Gray and does this interview where he lets me have it. He said I was fat and out of shape. He said I was milking my toe injury for more time off, and the injury wasn't even that serious. (Yeah, right. It only ended my damn career.) He said I was "lobbying for a contract extension when we have two Hall of Famers playing pretty much for free." I'm sitting there watching this interview and I'm gonna explode. Hours earlier we had just promised our coach we'd stop. It was a truce broken. I let the guys know, "I'm going to kill him."

Kobe stands up and goes face-to-face with me and says, "You always said you're my big brother, you'd do anything for me, and then this Colorado thing happens and you never even called me." I did call him. ... So here we are now, and we find out he really was hurt that we didn't stand behind him. That was something new. I didn't think he gave a rat's ass about us either way. "Well, I thought you'd publicly support me, at least," Kobe said. "You're supposed to be my friend."

Brian Shaw chimed in with "Kobe, why would you think that? Shaq had all these parties and you never showed up for any of them. We invited you to dinner on the road and you didn't come. Shaq invited you to his wedding and you weren't there. Then you got married and didn't invite any of us. And now you are in the middle of this problem, this sensitive situation, and now you want all of us to step up for you. We don't even know you." ...
Everyone was starting to calm down when I told Kobe, "If you ever say anything like what you said to Jim Gray ever again, I will kill you."

Kobe shrugged and said, "Whatever."
[...]
From that day on, I was done dealing with Kobe. I was done dealing with Jim Gray, too. What goes around, comes around. When he got fired, he actually had the nerve to call me and ask me to help him out. What, did you lose Kobe's number?

On Young Kobe, braggart and tattletale:

He was so young and so immature in some ways, but I can tell you this: everything Kobe is doing now, he told me all the way back then he was going to do it. We were sitting on the bus once and he told me, "I'm going to be the number one scorer for the Lakers, I'm going to win five or six championships, and I'm going to be the best player in the game." I was like, "Okay, whatever." Then he looked me right in the eye and said, "I'm going to be the Will Smith of the NBA."

My first Lakers season we had a couple of rookies, and we hazed them pretty badly. We were dogging them out constantly. It was "Go get my bags, go get me something to eat." It was kind of a rite of passage in the NBA that a lot of teams do, but we probably went a little too far with it. One of the rookies—Derek Fisher—just took it. The other rookie—Kobe Bryant—ratted us out to Jerry West.

On Pat Riley:

My ticket out of Miami was punched in mid-February 2008. There was a lot of tension between Pat and the players. So we're about to start practice and Jason Williams comes in about ten seconds late. Pat being Pat, he starts swearing at him and screaming, "Get the hell out of here!"...

I tell Pat we're a team and we need to stick together, not throw guys out of the gym. Pat is screaming at me and says if I don't like it, then I should get the hell out of practice, too.

That's when I said, "Why don't you make me?"

I start taking a couple of steps towards Pat. Udonis Haslem steps in and I shove him out of the way. Then Zo tries to grab me. I threw him aside like he was a rag doll. Now it's me and Riley face-to-face, jaw to jaw. I'm poking him in the chest and he keeps slapping my finger away and it's getting nasty. Noisy, too. He's yelling "Fuck you!" and I'm yelling back, "No, fuck you!"

Zo is trying to calm us both down and he has this kind of singsong panic in his voice. He keeps saying, "Big fella, no big fella, big fella!" I finally turn around and tell him, "Don't worry, I'm not going to hit the man. Do you think I'm crazy?"

On Halle Berry:

I remember being in the dorm room one night and we were watching the movie Jungle Fever with Halle Berry in it, and I thought she was so stunning, so I wrote her a letter. I was just kind of kidding around, telling her I was a big fan and I'd love to meet her sometime. The guys totally goofed on me for doing it, but I didn't care. A few weeks later, no lie, Halle Berry wrote me back. She sent me a signed picture that I still have hanging in my office. Turns out she's a basketball fan. She wrote, "I'm a big fan of yours, too. I can't wait until you get to the NBA."

On retired life:

"They've already got some things cooking in Hollywood for me. Adam Sandler called me in June 2011 and said, "I want you to be in some of my movies."

I've stayed fairly low-key about what I own. For instance, out of the fifteen twenty-four-hour fitness places I own, only three have my name on it. None of the Five Guys I own have my name on it. None of the clubs I own in Vegas, either.

http://deadspin.com/shaq-vs-kobe/
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Post by: benjipwns on November 01, 2011, 06:14:48 AM
"Will Smith of the NBA" is my new favorite quote. I plan on overusing it for a long time.
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Post by: pilonv1 on November 01, 2011, 07:09:26 AM
But there already was one

(http://www.straitpinkie.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/250px-WillSmith.jpg)
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Post by: Cormacaroni on November 02, 2011, 03:14:45 AM
ARE WE THERE YET
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 02, 2011, 03:39:14 AM
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Brian Shaw chimed in with "Kobe, why would you think that? Shaq had all these parties and you never showed up for any of them. We invited you to dinner on the road and you didn't come. Shaq invited you to his wedding and you weren't there. Then you got married and didn't invite any of us. And now you are in the middle of this problem, this sensitive situation, and now you want all of us to step up for you. We don't even know you."

lol @ Kobe stans denying shit in the GAF thread. Shaq obviously has reason to make shit up, but this sounds 100% like Kobe.
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Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2011, 01:37:46 AM
Fantastic news!
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WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Veteran player who has long been on side of decertification just texted me: "Time to blow this (bleep) to the moon."
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Post by: Stoney Mason on November 06, 2011, 01:43:48 AM
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Stern: Deal on table until Wednesday

Associated Press
NEW YORK -- NBA commissioner David Stern says the league is prepared to offer a deal that could give players up to 51 percent of basketball revenue.

If the players don't take the deal by the close of business Wednesday, the league will drop the revenue split to 47 percent, plus add a flex cap -- a deal the players would certainly reject thereby risking the season.

"We hope that this juxtaposition will cause the union to assess its position and accept the deal," Stern said. "I think it's fair to say that speaking on behalf of the union, Mr. Kessler rejected the mediators' recommendations and our proposal. But hope springs eternal, and we would love to see the union accept the proposal that is now on the table."

Stern denied that the offer is an ultimatum.

"We want to allow enough time for the union to consider our most recent proposal, and we are hopeful that they accept it," he said.

NBA owners and players met for more than eight hours late into the night Saturday in hopes of ending the lockout before it could do further damage to an already-shortened schedule.

After "frank and open dialogue" at an owners meeting earlier Saturday, Stern said he believes owners would support this deal.

He would not speculate as to the odds on whether players will take the deal.

"I'm not going to make percentage guesses or anything like that. We want our players to play. We'd like to have a season," Stern said. "These are the terms upon which we're prepared to gear up and get in as many games as possible."

Federal mediator George Cohen faced a difficult task in trying to help the sides close the financial gap that derailed talks again last week.

Going into the meeting, owners were determined not to give players anything more than a 50-50 split of basketball-related income. Players, who were guaranteed 57 percent under the old collective bargaining agreement, had proposed a reduction to 52.5 percent, leaving the sides about $100 million apart annually based on last season's revenues.

If the players don't take the deal by the close of business Wednesday, the league will drop the revenue split to 47 percent, plus add a flex cap.

"We hope that this juxtaposition will cause the union to assess its position and accept the deal," Stern said. "I think it's fair to say that speaking on behalf of the union, Mr. Kessler rejected the mediators' recommendations and our proposal. But hope springs eternal, and we would love to see the union accept the proposal that is now on the table."

Stern denied that the offer is an ultimatum.

"We want to allow enough time for the union to consider our most recent proposal, and we are hopeful that they accept it," he said.

NBA owners and players met for more than eight hours late into the night Saturday in hopes of ending the lockout before it could do further damage to an already-shortened schedule.

After "frank and open dialogue" at an owners meeting earlier Saturday, Stern said he believes owners would support this deal.

He would not speculate as to the odds on whether players will take the deal.

"I'm not going to make percentage guesses or anything like that. We want our players to play. We'd like to have a season," Stern said. "These are the terms upon which we're prepared to gear up and get in as many games as possible."

Federal mediator George Cohen faced a difficult task in trying to help the sides close the financial gap that derailed talks again last week.

Going into the meeting, owners were determined not to give players anything more than a 50-50 split of basketball-related income. Players, who were guaranteed 57 percent under the old collective bargaining agreement, had proposed a reduction to 52.5 percent, leaving the sides about $100 million apart annually based on last season's revenues.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7195620/nba-owners-players-end-talks-deal-table-wednesday
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Post by: etiolate on November 06, 2011, 01:47:49 AM
There is something sinister about Stern saying "hope springs eternal".
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Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2011, 02:03:48 AM
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Kessler: "The players will not be intimidated. It's not happening on Derek Fisher's watch, not happening on Billy Hunter's watch."
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On Saturday, as labor talks between the NBA and the National Basketball Players Association were winding down, at least three NBA players took to Twitter to express their frustration with Jordan.

"I'm not wearing Jordans no more," Washington Wizards guard Nick Young said. "Can't believe what I just seen and heard from MJ. Elvis Done Left The Building."

"Damn MJ," Indiana Pacers guard Paul George wondered aloud. "That's how you feel?"

Later, Golden State Warriors rookie wing Klay Thompson replied to George: "You think the 1996 MJ would pull this? Straight hypocrite bro."

George agreed: "Man straight hypocrite bro.. He should've been the 1st one behind us smh."
I'm sure this means good things ahead.
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To my tweet NBA wouldn't blow up season on Nov. 9, source briefed on owners' meeting Saturday texts: "The hardliners have control and will."
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Post by: pilonv1 on November 06, 2011, 02:56:19 AM
Season is fucked because Hunter/Fisher can't have it look like they're accepting a shittier deal than they had 2 months ago.
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Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2011, 05:49:46 AM
Good article on decertification: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/michael_mccann/11/03/nba.labor.decertify/
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Post by: Stoney Mason on November 06, 2011, 08:25:45 AM
It's funny to see all these NBA kids feel as if Jordan is turning on them. He was always an asshole. The media didn't want to cover that then outside of things like The Jordan rules.
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Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2011, 09:37:05 AM
They're just ignorant of the real Jordan and believe all that media protected narrative they grew up with. They probably don't even know what Jordan was doing during the 1995 mini-lockout to make sure he could get paid $30+ million a year. It takes nothing away from him as a player nor someone like Magic, but they lived in a very different media environment. Hell, you look at something like the late 70s, early 80s and most of the journalists were as coked out of their minds as the players.

They don't even seem to realize he's a fucking owner, of course he's not going to be on your side. Do they not even pay attention to the news? Didn't it come out that Jordan and Allen were the ones wanting to take the players below 40%?

Speaking of juicy NBA gossip, the Shaq stuff has been "leaking" more, with some repeats:
http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-shaq-dishes-on-kobe-lebron/
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Our coach, Mike Brown, was a nice guy, but he had to live on edge because nobody was supposed to be confrontational with LeBron. Nobody wanted him to leave Cleveland, so he was allowed to do whatever he wanted to do.

I remember one day in a film session LeBron didn’t get back on defense after a missed shot. Mike Brown didn’t say anything about it. He went to the next clip and it was Mo Williams not getting back and Mike was saying, “Yo, Mo, we can’t have that. You’ve got to hustle a little more.” So Delonte West is sitting there and he’s seen enough and he stands up and says, “Hold up, now. You can’t be pussyfooting around like that. Everyone has to be accountable for what they do, not just some of us.” Mike Brown said, “I know, Delonte. I know.” Mike knew Delonte was right. …
http://www.csnne.com/blog/celtics-talk/post/Shaq-wanted-to-punch-Big-Baby-in-the-fac?blockID=587574
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I wasn’t surprised at all when he got traded. Nate was always trying to get noticed by the public. He was always tweeting videos of himself punking his teammates ... Some people are a little too focused on Twitter and Nate was one of them. He was too worried about how many followers he had. He kept saying, “Shaq, I need more people. Help me out.”
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Post by: Cormacaroni on November 06, 2011, 06:53:35 PM
I'm so buying the Shaq book.
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Post by: pilonv1 on November 06, 2011, 07:13:04 PM
I'm worried the best stuff has been leaked.

Also everyone knew Mike Brown was a figurehead coach and had no authority.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 06, 2011, 09:03:05 PM
lol @ a couple of scrubs thinking that Jordan is their buddy. 1996 MJ would have pimp-slapped your ass and then laughed about it 15 years later during his HOF speech.
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Post by: benjipwns on November 07, 2011, 12:43:20 AM
Quote from: Chris Broussard
Interesting: sources from each side told me players&owners only spent "about 15 minutes" together during Saturday's 8 1/2 hour meeting

Federal Mediator George Cohen shuttled back & forth between the two rooms before bringing them together at the end for owners proposal
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Post by: Cormacaroni on November 07, 2011, 01:01:32 AM
The players have to accept that there is no other market for their services that can compete with the NBA, and if the owners want to screw them a bit, it's still a great deal relative to a lockout lasting even a few months or decertification. The percentages of BRI that they are arguing about are relatively trivial - Kevin Garnett could match the difference with his own bank balance, most likely. If the lockout runs to 3 or 4 months, they will have lost more income than they'd get by keeping BRI at 57%. Very frustrating situation. The owners are being complete dicks about the whole thing, and the players are right to be pissed at them. But that's a simple fact of any employment contract, and the players are now acting like they'd rather kill the golden goose than take a few percent less, and that's just dumb.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on November 07, 2011, 01:29:30 AM
btw, that bit in Shaq's book about Obama basically destroying Rondo's psyche was amazing. Damn. Possibly the most tangible effect of his entire presidency so far :lol
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2011, 01:43:49 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on November 07, 2011, 01:29:30 AM
btw, that bit in Shaq's book about Obama basically destroying Rondo's psyche was amazing. Damn. Possibly the most tangible effect of his entire presidency so far :lol

wut?

edit: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/17/shaquille-oneal-obama-rajon-rondo_n_929533.html
 :lol :lol :lol
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Post by: etiolate on November 07, 2011, 01:59:15 AM
:lol

politely destroyed
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Post by: Cormacaroni on November 07, 2011, 02:20:23 AM
simply amazing. This is a dude that played through a dislocated elbow, and a little locker room ribbing from the Prez sent him into a death spiral for about a month :lol

The only way he can come back from this is to humiliate Barack one-on-one in a pickup game
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 10, 2011, 01:09:18 AM
There's a live press conference right now with Stern, seems weird for something to happen at 10pm PST/1 am EST.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on November 10, 2011, 01:19:48 AM
well, uh, they've been negotiating all day! They were supposed to end at 5pm. They're doing it all over again tomorrow. Fingers crossed.
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Post by: pilonv1 on November 10, 2011, 04:29:45 AM
fucking amateurs.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on November 10, 2011, 05:57:30 AM
so depressed, godfuckdamn. The most we can get now is an asterisky 50 game season. The MOST.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on November 10, 2011, 07:26:44 AM
Just to get back to the MJ thing: do these fools not realize that Jordan is being bankrupted by the Bobcats, and having to shell out over the odds for mediocre players just to make them marginally competitive? OF FUCKING COURSE he's in favor of lowering salaries, waiving players with bad contracts, shorter contracts etc.  He's probably a billionaire but he's going to be flat broke if he owns the Bobcats much longer.
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Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2011, 07:41:24 AM
You're ignoring that he was their idol growing up and the reason they even played basketball in the first place, and he was a player like them and he's totally betraying them by not helping them make $30+ million a year like he did.
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Post by: etiolate on November 10, 2011, 07:59:50 AM
They thought he was black Mickey mouse...

..but he was black Eisner

Michael Jordan is The Charllote-on
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 10, 2011, 08:14:48 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on November 10, 2011, 07:41:24 AM
You're ignoring that he was their idol growing up and the reason they even played basketball in the first place, and he was a player like them and he's totally betraying them by not helping them make $30+ million a year like he did.

No, i'm not ignoring it - i'm discounting it. Because all of those reasons are childish and irrational and have no place in a business negotiation. Sure, they can feel however they want. But his grievance with the system is legit, as is theirs. And he made $30 million for like one year - he was probably still the most underpaid player in the history of the game, in terms of salary.
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Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2011, 08:19:28 AM
Why do you hate the current struggling broke players? Betrayed by the very man who gave them everything that has motivated them to become stars today?

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He made $30 million and $33 million in two seasons. 97 and 98.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on November 10, 2011, 08:28:28 AM
Nobody on the Hornets is bitching :lol

ok, two seasons. Still the most underpaid NBA player ever
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Post by: Stoney Mason on November 10, 2011, 08:29:35 AM
All that's going on is the divide between the MJ was my idol group and the MJ is a businessman group. Dude was never any sort of moral or rights guy. MJ was always about selling you his image and trying to make as many bucks as possible. There was criticism directed at MJ that he never took any of that power during his playing days and made any social, or moral changes. So if he didn't do it then, he's certainly not going to do it now as an owner. It's just time for those guys to take down the MJ posters from their childhood room's and realize its a business.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 10, 2011, 09:57:29 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on November 10, 2011, 05:57:30 AM
so depressed, godfuckdamn. The most we can get now is an asterisky 50 game season. The MOST.

http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/nba-says-they-can-still-salvage-a-10game-season,26601/
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Post by: Cormacaroni on November 10, 2011, 10:23:28 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 10, 2011, 08:29:35 AM
All that's going on is the divide between the MJ was my idol group and the MJ is a businessman group. Dude was never any sort of moral or rights guy. MJ was always about selling you his image and trying to make as many bucks as possible. There was criticism directed at MJ that he never took any of that power during his playing days and made any social, or moral changes. So if he didn't do it then, he's certainly not going to do it now as an owner. It's just time for those guys to take down the MJ posters from their childhood room's and realize its a business.

Preach it, Stoney. And how absurd is it to hear these complaints from Stephon Marbury, for example? MJ may have been cold and calculating, but no-one can say he didn't earn every cent. Marbury blatantly inflated his stats to get the best contracts he could, and never lived up to them. He did as much to kill the Knicks as Isaiah Thomas or Dolan. He betrayed every teammate he ever played with, from KG on.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on November 10, 2011, 11:14:39 PM
They just got out of another long meeting.
Aldridge tweets.

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Fisher: if this is league's last best offer we'll have to take that into consideration
4 minutes ago

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Hunter: not the greatest offer in the world, but thinks he owes it to player reps to bring the offer to them
5 minutes ago

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
League has not given time limit for accepting or rejecting new offer.
6 minutes ago

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Hunter: we haven't succeeded yet so you feel in a sense that you haven't fulfilled your mission
8 minutes ago

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Hunter: 30-40 B list issues other than big six system issues, including age limit, commissioner discipline, etc.
9 minutes ago

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Hunter: ...the question now is how player reps will respond next week?
11 minutes ago

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Fisher: I guess I remain in the same place as yesterday-nit enough progress to get a deal done
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daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Fisher: additional issues have come up. On a couple of system issues there was some revision, but not enough.
14 minutes ago

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Union first. Fisher: Revised offer does not meet us all the way on system. Will stop talks for now. Will confer with players/committee.
15 minutes ago

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Union first, then league. Certainly do not expect to hear of any breakthroughs tonight. Only question is whether they keep talking Friday.
21 minutes ago

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Meeting is ending for tonight...
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daldridgetnt David Aldridge
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@ATL_GOAT @MariyaChanel um, that was a week ago. Old news.
48 minutes ago

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
10 hrs today. Twenty two hours last two days. As one of the people in the room said hours ago, a long, long list of issues remain...
1 hour ago
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Post by: Cormacaroni on November 10, 2011, 11:25:35 PM
I don't see how any offer the league can make could possibly be worse for the players than failing to reach an agreement. Even an agreement to play for NO salary would still net more income for many players than not playing at all or playing in China etc.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on November 10, 2011, 11:27:26 PM
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SpearsNBAYahoo Marc J. Spears
Stern: Says news proposal would allow season to start Dec. 15 if accepted with a 72 game season. Next offer would have 47 BRi and flex cap.

I wonder if the players' salaries are prorated to number of games played, as opposed to number of days in the season. If the former, they wouldn't lose THAT much....
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Post by: Cormacaroni on November 11, 2011, 12:14:33 AM
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WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski   As one Eastern Conference executive just texted about 72 game sked: "Instead of (the players) missing two checks, they will only miss one."

They have to take it, pride be damned. Getting a little screwed by the Man is better than totally fucking yourself.
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Post by: etiolate on November 11, 2011, 12:27:33 AM
the free agent blitz would be entertaining

after all this posturing, i expect idiots like the maloofs to go right out and blow their load on middling players

not that small market teams have other alternatives
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 11, 2011, 12:35:01 AM
Quote from: etiolate on November 11, 2011, 12:27:33 AM
the free agent blitz would be entertaining

after all this posturing, i expect idiots like the maloofs to go right out and blow their load on middling players

not that small market teams have other alternatives

It's been proven that scoring big in the draft is the only real way to get ahead in the NBA. Overpaying for non-franchise players certainly doesn't do it - it just keeps you from losing hard enough to win in the draft.
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Post by: etiolate on November 11, 2011, 12:45:12 AM
you have to score real big in the draft though, get a player who will be top 5 one day

If you just draft well, even for many years, you top out as an 8th seed.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on November 11, 2011, 01:23:13 AM
Any strategy is ultimately a long shot with a 30 team league, surely that's understood here. Concentrating on bottoming out and drafting big is still a far better strategy than 'blowing their load on middling players'
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Post by: Stoney Mason on November 11, 2011, 01:20:19 PM
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Nothing left to yell about
November, 11, 2011
NOV 11

By Henry Abbott

Some things just sound like news.

David Stern’s no-holds-barred ultimatum of Wednesday at 5 o’clock was a jolt to the system. Similarly, Billy Hunter's calling a premature end to a meeting a few weeks ago packed a punch.

But a lot has happened since. Essentially, all of the really big issues have been negotiated. And now, while there is still no deal, it strains credulity to suggest we could lose an incredibly promising (and, let's be honest, multibillion-dollar) season over, say, incremental tweaks to the mini-midlevel exception for taxpaying teams.

That exception, by the way, would apply to maybe 10 players a year.

What’s happening in these talks now is simply not writ large. What divides now are things that would struggle to make headlines in economics journals, let alone The Wall Street Journal.

This is a sign of both how close the two sides are and how much little things can matter.

“Some of them,” deputy commissioner Adam Silver said, “are philosophical points, for example about creating more movement in the system. And I think for all of us -- they have an economist running models, we have in-house cap people running models -- it’s going to be hard to predict precisely what behavior will be under a new system.

“We continue to have a disagreement about what the free-agency market will look like. One of their major points has been freeing up taxpayers to be in the market for free agents. That’s something we don’t want to see.”

The league has long wanted to make it not just expensive -- via steep luxury tax -- for high-salary teams such as the Lakers and Mavericks to add players when they are already paying luxury tax. It also wants to make it impossible.

Many of the salary-cap loopholes the league wanted closed in the name of competitive balance have been reopened by the players in the name of giving free agents choices.

But the most commonly used one, and the engine of NBA free agency, the midlevel exception, is the hot issue now. It used to be that any free agent in the league could be offered more than $30 million over five years by any team in the league. That’s a lot of leverage for players who are, by definition, not max players. There’s a reason the league’s least efficient contracts are given to players via the midlevel exception.

Both sides have agreed it will be a much smaller exception in the future, with a total value halved, to about $15 million.

Agents say this concession will cost future free agents a fortune. The league replies that players will make 50 percent of basketball related income regardless -- with finite roster spots, the money has to go somewhere. There is only so much leverage free agents could lose.

Meanwhile, both sides have agreed that teams in the luxury tax will not be able to use the regular midlevel exception, but will instead have a special, smaller mini-midlevel. It was something the players proposed and the league initially rejected. Now the league has not only agreed to it, but made its offer a bit bigger -- Hunter says the league now is saying it would like to let taxpaying teams offer a three-year deal starting at $3 million. “We tweaked that over the last few days," Silver said, "and we tweaked some other aspects of our proposal as well -- all aimed at creating a more robust offer for free agents.”

Put it all together, and you get nothing much to get riled up about, and therefore a lockout that's most assuredly nearly done.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/33231/nothing-left-to-yell-about
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 11, 2011, 06:52:59 PM
I read that too, but it clashes with basically everything else I've read in terms of the likelihood of a deal getting done.

I mean, teams want to have the option to send a player to the D-League at any time during his first 5 years, and put him on D-League salary? Come on. Blake Griffin gets injured again like in his rookie year, Donald Sterling gets to pay him 65,000 per year instead of 4.5 million. Don't tell me he's not dumb or greedy enough to do it.
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2011, 02:15:00 PM
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NEW YORK -- NBA Players Association executive director Billy Hunter says the union will not accept the owners' proposed collective bargaining agreement and will seek to disband the union and act as a trade association.

The union, whose members have been locked out since July 1st, also plans to pursue an antitrust lawsuit against the NBA, a move that likely jeopardizes the 2011-12 season.

"As of this moment, we're going to be in the process of converting the NBA Players Association into a trade associaton," Hunter said Monday.

Hunter said the union has negotiated in good faith over two years and feels that they have given enough, while the NBA was "not willing and prepared to negotiate."

"The players feel that they are not prepared to accept any ultimatums," Hunter said.

"Going forward, collective bargaining will not be how this process continues for us," added union president Derek Fisher. "We'll let our legal team really lead the charge."
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7234180/nba-lockout-players-not-accept-deal-seek-decertify-billy-hunter-says
Title: Re: NBA Off-season thread (Screw it, just play NBA 2k12)
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 14, 2011, 06:28:38 PM
woke up to this and the Community news

the only TV show i watch weekly, and the only sport i follow. :'(
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 14, 2011, 06:56:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=van9PZIIROc
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 14, 2011, 07:02:11 PM
I hope David Stern and Billy Hunter both lose their jobs and/or lives.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: pilonv1 on November 14, 2011, 07:03:33 PM
www.nbl.com.au

Watch Patty Mills!
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: etiolate on November 14, 2011, 07:10:13 PM
dumbasses
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2011, 07:14:46 PM
So now the NBA gets to drop a bomb on the players once things restart
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: pilonv1 on November 14, 2011, 07:26:46 PM
http://www.nbpa.org/
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 14, 2011, 09:47:35 PM
Any settlement should involve Stern and Billy being forced to live in a little hut together for the rest of their lives.  Mostly though it should involve Stern being ousted, he's run the NBA like his own personal fiefdom for too long.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 14, 2011, 09:54:27 PM
Well, he's brought a lot of success with that. This is a major, major blow to his legacy though (if anyone gives a rat's ass about commissioner's legacies...). Doesn't matter how tough or smart or determined he was - he didn't get a $4 billion deal done because he let both sides fixate on relatively trivial issues like mid-level exceptions for luxury tax teams that affect practically no-one.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Mandark on November 14, 2011, 10:10:07 PM
This seems really dumb.  No way could the concessions the players are looking for have been worth the game checks that they're going to miss.  It sucks that the owners get all the leverage for being willing to walk away from talks, but that's the reality of it.

On the owner's side, they were basically going to either get a win or maintain the status quo on every single issue.  All they needed was some relatively tiny concessions to make the players feel as if they had won something, but the owners wouldn't even give them that.  It's almost like it's more important for some of the owners to make some show of dominance rather than make changes to the current financial system.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 14, 2011, 10:18:21 PM
The owners came into this thing with a my way or the highway approach and its been inevitable that this was going to be the conclusion.

Incredibly dumb way to sabotage yourself after sparking great interest in the league the prior season.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 14, 2011, 10:20:13 PM
I find it hard to believe that the Union didn't even put it to a fucking vote though. What the hell. I'm sure a lot of guys talk tough but would have signed it anonymously.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 14, 2011, 10:26:57 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on November 14, 2011, 10:20:13 PM
I find it hard to believe that the Union didn't even put it to a fucking vote though. What the hell. I'm sure a lot of guys talk tough but would have signed it anonymously.

It was always about saving face for them. They are getting raped this go around. I suppose the logical option would have been to take the raping and just earn it back on the next negotiation when the economy has improved and things most likely would be stable. But I just think their pride/ignorance got in the way this time.


edit: And let me put that word "raping" in context. It's a bad deal in a relative fight between millionaires and billionaires. Its not a raping in any other context outside of rich professional athletes and owners.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 14, 2011, 10:33:04 PM
It's almost like the league had spent decades promoting a star based sport and then were surprised when they didn't just get kicked into line to take their paycuts like good serfs or something.  #teamsportsrule
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2011, 10:38:09 PM
The Age of Ferdette is temporarily delayed
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 14, 2011, 11:00:01 PM
As in all things, people want to blame LeBron's uppitiness for this but fuck it, the dude was a free agent, the Heat played by the rules as far as we know, and the move to Miami resulted in an awesome season/playoffs. If the league/owners don't see that as a good thing, they're blind.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2011, 11:11:55 PM
It's a good thing, but it's short term. The problem with the NBA is that only like 7-8 teams matter, if that much. So you're left with a bunch of markets/teams no one cares about with few prospects/upside. Free agents move from big market to big market*, or small market to big market like LeBron. Sure the small teams get nice revenue streams, although not to the degree of say the NFL obviously.

*Miami isn't the biggest market, but it has obvious benefits that separate it
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 14, 2011, 11:25:00 PM
bah, not this crap again

Who won last year? The Mavs.

We also saw the Grizzlies and the Thunder beat big, established teams to advance, and a young team in Chicago almost make it all the way. Any team can make it if they have a good strategy and a bit of luck.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 14, 2011, 11:27:24 PM
Even if we accept your premise for the moment that only 7 or 8 teams matter, that's still way enough for a hugely compelling playoffs. And even when it was only 1 or 2 teams that mattered, people still tuned in in droves.  The only thing that turns people off the NBA is teams making no attempt at offense, and trying to keep the opponent below 70, as far as I can see.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Himu on November 14, 2011, 11:29:09 PM
:rofl @ thread title
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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2011, 11:34:00 PM
Quote from: Green Man on November 14, 2011, 10:19:59 PM
Disband the NBA and start over.

Bring back the ABA!
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2011, 11:38:08 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on November 14, 2011, 11:27:24 PM
Even if we accept your premise for the moment that only 7 or 8 teams matter, that's still way enough for a hugely compelling playoffs. And even when it was only 1 or 2 teams that mattered, people still tuned in in droves.  The only thing that turns people off the NBA is teams making no attempt at offense, and trying to keep the opponent below 70, as far as I can see.

So we continue with multiple franchises failing because the playoffs are kind of exciting after 82 games? meh

imo cut some teams, decrease the regular season, and limit guaranteed contracts like the NFL; no more Eddie Curry's making bank to sit on the bench and do nothing.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Himu on November 14, 2011, 11:41:14 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2011, 11:38:08 PM

So we continue with multiple franchises failing because the playoffs are kind of exciting after 82 games? meh

imo cut some teams, decrease the regular season, and limit guaranteed contracts like the NFL; no more Eddie Curry's making bank to sit on the bench and do nothing.

This. This would get me back and watch NBA year round like I did when I was a kid.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 14, 2011, 11:44:01 PM
NBA2K12 needs to add an achievement for ejecting the game right before it's about to begin. 
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Post by: etiolate on November 15, 2011, 12:04:12 AM
I don't think the NBA needs to cut teams. I think reducing the amount of games would help the product, but I'm not sure how many in this lockout are concerned with product. They need competitive balance, which means fixing the financial system, but also the way the game is called and as well the way the game is advertised. Stern has had plenty of time to realize his way of doing things no longer works and hasn't made a peep about changing those last two things.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 15, 2011, 12:06:52 AM
Change advertising how? Every league focuses on star promotion
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: pilonv1 on November 15, 2011, 12:09:27 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on November 14, 2011, 11:44:01 PM
NBA2K12 needs to add an achievement for ejecting the game right before it's about to begin. 

Fine by me, terrible game
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: etiolate on November 15, 2011, 12:09:34 AM
They also promote the sport itself and teams far more than the NBA does. Basketball is an entertaining product in itself, but that has been forgotten.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 15, 2011, 01:57:32 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2011, 11:38:08 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on November 14, 2011, 11:27:24 PM
Even if we accept your premise for the moment that only 7 or 8 teams matter, that's still way enough for a hugely compelling playoffs. And even when it was only 1 or 2 teams that mattered, people still tuned in in droves.  The only thing that turns people off the NBA is teams making no attempt at offense, and trying to keep the opponent below 70, as far as I can see.

So we continue with multiple franchises failing because the playoffs are kind of exciting after 82 games? meh

imo cut some teams, decrease the regular season, and limit guaranteed contracts like the NFL; no more Eddie Curry's making bank to sit on the bench and do nothing.

You're upset about multiple franchises failing and your solution is to cut some teams?

I actually have problem with contraction. It would hide lack of talent in lean years and accentuate it further in boom periods like right now. If it just offends you on principle that a team like the Bobcats even exists, just do what I do and don't watch the Bobcats! It's not like there aren't always 3 other better games on that night.

Limiting guaranteed contracts is fine but you know, they already ARE limited. Teams used to try to lock up players for their whole careers. The problem is just that nobody can ever tell if a player will live up to his contract or not.  And shorter contracts wouldn't be entirely positive either - you'd see even more Stephon Marbury-types padding their stats at every opportunity.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: CajoleJuice on November 15, 2011, 02:00:37 AM
Quote from: pilonv1 on November 15, 2011, 12:09:27 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on November 14, 2011, 11:44:01 PM
NBA2K12 needs to add an achievement for ejecting the game right before it's about to begin. 

Fine by me, terrible game

Really? I thought it was supposed to be good.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Mandark on November 15, 2011, 02:10:49 AM
Shorter PD:  Make it more like college hoops.

Shorter etiolate:  Fix it so the Kings are good again.

Shorter Cormac:  More teams, less carbs.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: etiolate on November 15, 2011, 02:35:31 AM
I've never run into someone as shitty at assumptions about others as you Mandark.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 15, 2011, 02:36:23 AM
Yeah, for real.  When the hell were the Kings ever good to begin with?
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 15, 2011, 02:45:51 AM
Quote from: Mandark on November 15, 2011, 02:10:49 AM
Shorter PD:  Make it more like college hoops.

Shorter etiolate:  Fix it so the Kings are good again.

Shorter Cormac:  More teams, less carbs.

I meant 'I have NO problem with contraction' above :lol

I don't mind 30 teams though - it's all part of a rich tapestry. Again, no-one is forced to watch those games apart from Etiolate.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Mandark on November 15, 2011, 03:06:36 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on November 15, 2011, 02:45:51 AM
I meant 'I have NO problem with contraction' above :lol

Yeah, but that's harder to fit into a slogan.

What's the actual goal of the armchair commissioners in this thread?  NFL-style "parity"?  I don't know if you could do something like that with a basketball league without some crazy rules, and I don't think I'd want that anyway.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 15, 2011, 03:22:41 AM
Less of an emphasis on superstars and more on team play.  Also defense.  Also having David Stern thrown into the Sun.

...basically I'm the only person who wants what I want. :P
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: etiolate on November 15, 2011, 03:28:24 AM
More parity, changes to the way the game is officiated so that it won't be so star dominated and starting to rework the system from college and up to have better prepared players. I really like the game of basketball but have long felt that you don't get the best basketball from the NBA. I want pro basketball to be the best basketball and not just the best selection of players playing basketball.

All the problems with the league are pretty interconnected right now. You'd have to address them all to help with competitive balance.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 15, 2011, 03:35:09 AM
Quote from: Mandark on November 15, 2011, 03:06:36 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on November 15, 2011, 02:45:51 AM
I meant 'I have NO problem with contraction' above :lol

Yeah, but that's harder to fit into a slogan.

What's the actual goal of the armchair commissioners in this thread?  NFL-style "parity"?  I don't know if you could do something like that with a basketball league without some crazy rules, and I don't think I'd want that anyway.

I don't think anything that affects me is broken. If owners want to slit their throats with bad contracts, I don't care. If they bankrupt themselves and ruin the franchise, ok. We have a few to spare. (I was pissed about the Sonics, but the Thunder are all the proof you need that any situation can be turned around).

Bottom line is I think the current product is pretty f'in awesome and I would like them to hurry up and TAKE MY MONEY.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 15, 2011, 03:40:04 AM
The Thunder kind of got lucky w/ Durant being a ball playing lunatic, tho.  Take him out and they suck.  Well, maybe not suck but are certainly mediocre.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 15, 2011, 03:45:06 AM
Take him out and they're still good enough for the playoffs, smh

...and that's how every team gets good, pretty much. They bottomed out to get the #2 pick - they had a great shot at getting an All Star.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 15, 2011, 03:46:55 AM
Crap, that reminds me of another complaint re: the NBA- TOO MANY FUCKING TEAMS MAKE THE PLAYOFFS.  More than half the league?  Fucking joke.  Sure they'll make the playoffs, as a .500 or sub .500 team. 
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: etiolate on November 15, 2011, 03:51:42 AM
You have to A) Win the lottery when a bonafide star is there or B) Overpay some all-stars and sub-allstar talent to come to your city. A lot of teams do a bit of both, like Orlando, but they're window is closing with Dwight getting closer to free agency, and overpaying for that talent now makes it hard for them to make the needed improvements. Establishment teams don't have to worry about these things as much.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Mandark on November 15, 2011, 04:22:35 AM
Important to understand that the star system is endemic to basketball, not the NBA.  There are only five guys on the floor, and the team gets to choose (within the choices allowed by the opposing defense, yadda yadda) who takes the shot, so an exceptionally talented player is going to have a huge impact on the result.  Only a QB or a hot goalie in hockey are comparable in the big American sports.  On top of all that there's no headwear.

It's silly that you need to win the lottery in a good year to land a great player, but there's a limited number of them and they have to get distributed some way or another.

The parity of the NFL isn't really parity, but churn.  Teams get better or worse more quickly and less predictably.  That's a result of 1) a hard cap that breaks up teams when too many players exceed expectations, and a sport that 2) involves 30+ contributing players and 3) is so violent that players' bodies break down sooner and with less warning.  Plus the NFL skews the schedules so teams that sucked the previous year play each other and pad their records.

Some cities are going to be more attractive to more players than other cities, and you know what?  Them's the breaks.  You can only stop that from being a factor by implementing some sort of career-long restrictions on player movement and I think everyone agrees that at some point, these guys should have a say in where they live and work.

Anyways, it's not like free agents flocking to nice cities has completely changed the flow of players in the league.  MIA and NY and that's it.  The bigger lesson from recent years is that players don't want to get stuck pulling deadweight rosters.  Kobe demanded a trade before Kwame Brown magically turned into Pau Gasol, and I don't remember anyone saying LA needed help attracting players away from more glamorous locations.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 15, 2011, 05:12:46 AM
listen to your Uncle Mandark kiddies
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 15, 2011, 05:14:22 AM
hmm, is it too late in the season for LeBron to join the NFL?
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: etiolate on November 15, 2011, 05:38:15 AM
I don't buy that being star driven is endemic to basketball. There's stars in college hoops but they don't bring home the championship the way they do in the NBA. The rules DRIVE the NBA as a star league. The Thunder organize their offense around getting to the free throw line because they have a star ticket and that sort of philosophy is pretty common. The LA/Boston Final was all about who got the game called to their way. The problem is this degrades the level of basketball. It's the NBA that is star driven, not basketball. So that is ..just bullshit to say basketball is by nature star driven. Look at other basketball and it's not all that true.

Fuck, the NBA talent had a hard time in the WCs because they got so used to the NBA style that saw and protected star talent that the NBA players struggled against lesser international talent. The next year the league acts like they'll start calling traveling and a bunch of rules they hadn't for years because those very things got exposed in NBA players playing international rules. The league called traveling for a season just to not look so obvious about how conditioned the NBA is to create a certain star-driven environment for success.

Player movement would increase because of shorter contracts and harder caps. Players can still go to where they prefer to go to, but still have to deal with a competitive job market.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 15, 2011, 11:09:47 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 15, 2011, 03:22:41 AM
Less of an emphasis on superstars and more on team play.  Also defense.  Also having David Stern thrown into the Sun.

...basically I'm the only person who wants what I want. :P

Basketball is dominated by star players in a way more team oriented sports like football and baseball aren't though. So while I do agree I'd like to see more team oriented play...this is professional basketball. Unless we see major rule changes it's moot.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 15, 2011, 12:27:46 PM
Does anyone want to defend more than half the league making the playoffs or do we all agree that's fucking distinguished mentally-challenged?
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 15, 2011, 12:33:42 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 15, 2011, 12:27:46 PM
Does anyone want to defend more than half the league making the playoffs or do we all agree that's fucking distinguished mentally-challenged?

It's a money thing. More revenue. More games. I can't honestly say that it really bothers me. Sometimes (rarely) you get a great upset that is exciting. But I'm a diehard NBA fan so it doesn't really bother me.

I'm personally an odd duck in that I don't like the NCAA basketball tournament format even though clearly most people do.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 15, 2011, 05:10:35 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on November 15, 2011, 03:35:09 AM
(I was pissed about the Sonics, but the Thunder are all the proof you need that any situation can be turned around).

It still hurts.  :(
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 15, 2011, 06:32:38 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 15, 2011, 12:27:46 PM
Does anyone want to defend more than half the league making the playoffs or do we all agree that's fucking distinguished mentally-challenged?

Compared to what? When the league only had like 7 teams and they played each other all season long and the Celtics won every year?
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 15, 2011, 07:00:21 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on November 15, 2011, 06:32:38 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 15, 2011, 12:27:46 PM
Does anyone want to defend more than half the league making the playoffs or do we all agree that's fucking distinguished mentally-challenged?

Compared to what? When the league only had like 7 teams and they played each other all season long and the Celtics won every year?

I don't know, something like the NFL has?  Makes a fuckton more sense than letting shitty teams make the playoffs.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 15, 2011, 07:09:38 PM
again, shitty teams like the Grizzles that end up going all the way to the WC finals and entertain the crap out of everyone along the way? Why wouldn't you want that?

And if it bugs you, just skip the 1st round of the playoffs. Or tune in if you hear of a series that sounds like it's fun/going the distance. I admit, I preferred 5 game series' for the 1st round but the economic reality is that playoff games are big money-makers and the owners want as many of them as possible, especially the ones who own marginal teams who aren't guaranteed 15-plus playoff games every year.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Mandark on November 15, 2011, 07:23:35 PM
I don't mind the 16-team playoffs.  A 7-game series means the best team almost always wins, so if the low seeds are really that mediocre they'll get rolled by the top seeds, who earned that easy matchup during the regular season.  If you get a sneakily good team with a middling record that's only now gelling because of injuries/figuring out the player rotation/breakout seasons by young players, then I like that the system gives them a shot to make some noise and disrupt things.

Quote from: etiolate on November 15, 2011, 05:38:15 AM
I don't buy that being star driven is endemic to basketball. There's stars in college hoops but they don't bring home the championship the way they do in the NBA. The rules DRIVE the NBA as a star league. The Thunder organize their offense around getting to the free throw line because they have a star ticket and that sort of philosophy is pretty common.

By all means, let's look at Kevin Durant.

His one year in college: 25.8 ppg, 57% FTA/2PFGA ratio, 32% of his team's scoring.

Last year in the NBA:     27.7 ppg, 60% FTA/2PFGA ratio, 26% of his team's scoring.


It's not as if Durant's a huge anomaly as a high-scoring college star.  Kemba Walker, Jimmer Fredette, Michael Beasley, Adam Morrison (lolz), JJ Reddick, Stephen Curry, Larry Bird, etc.  If you're way better at scoring than most players in your league are at defending (and than your teammates are at scoring), you'll probably get a lot of points.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on November 15, 2011, 08:15:24 PM
'sneakily good team with a middling record that's only now gelling because of injuries/figuring out the player rotation/breakout seasons by young players, then I like that the system gives them a shot to make some noise and disrupt things.'

i.e. Miami Heat, 2006
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 15, 2011, 08:26:10 PM
16 teams playoffs are great although I preferred having 5 games in the first round.  A big part of winning about a NBA championship has always been about endurance.  If some favorites waste too much energy in the early round, then the less talented teams who went through quicker, have better chances in the conferance finals and the finals.  It makes for more exciting competition than 1 and out or just 2 to 3 rounds of playoffs. 
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Post by: Mandark on November 15, 2011, 09:00:50 PM
I get why people like one-game single elimination tourneys like the NCAA's.  Every match is do or die and there's a bigger chance of an upset.  There's a pretty clear appeal to that.

But I really like the back and forth of a long series, the adjustments and subplots (the year the Suns beat the Lakers and Clippers in the first couple rounds without Amare zomg).  Plus with the way the other sports' playoffs sometimes feel like a crapshoot, I like having one area where the road to the finals feels like proof of excellence, rather than a run of good luck.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 15, 2011, 09:05:31 PM
I like 7 game series, I just find it insane to reward teams that aren't REALLY GOOD with a shot at winning, cool storylines be damned.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Mandark on November 15, 2011, 09:21:41 PM
That's the thing about 7 game series: you only really have a chance at winning if you're legitimately good.  If an 8 seed outright sucks, all they're getting is a chance to be called "turrible" by Sir Charles on national TV.

Anyway, could be worse.  Ask any crotchety hockey fan about the NHL in the early 80's.

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Post by: Human Snorenado on November 15, 2011, 09:23:34 PM
Are you implying that hockey is a sport, Mandark?  I know you're liberal and all but this is a step too far.
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Post by: Smooth Groove on November 15, 2011, 09:34:24 PM
Aside from what I said about endurance being part of winning a NBA championship, the 7 and 8 seeds also allow younger teams to learn what it takes to win in the playoffs.  Like Mandark mentioned before, because of the nature of a long series, players' weaknesses are much more easily exposed in the playoffs  (see 2011 MVP, Derrick Rose). 
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 15, 2011, 10:03:42 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on November 15, 2011, 09:34:24 PM
Aside from what I said about endurance being part of winning a NBA championship, the 7 and 8 seeds also allow younger teams to learn what it takes to win in the playoffs.  Like Mandark mentioned before, because of the nature of a long series, players' weaknesses are much more easily exposed in the playoffs  (see 2011 MVP, Derrick Rose).

Rose didn't need to be exposed in the playoffs: I called him being a bum the night he was drafted!
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 15, 2011, 11:49:29 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 15, 2011, 09:05:31 PM
I like 7 game series, I just find it insane to reward teams that aren't REALLY GOOD with a shot at winning, cool storylines be damned.

well uh, to my mind the Thunder and the Grizzles and the Mavs all proved they were better than the Spurs and the Lakers in the playoffs (who had better reg season records and / or all the experts picked to win the WC). Playoff success counts for more than regular season success with anybody who follows the league, so by that token they WERE 'really good' regardless of seeding. Sometimes it takes teams longer to come together, for the reasons Mandark described...

Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 16, 2011, 12:09:00 AM
NEEDS MOAR TACKLING

...both leagues are being ruined by floppers
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 16, 2011, 12:10:40 AM
we can all agree the NBA would be better with Roger GODell as the commish'
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 16, 2011, 12:13:25 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 16, 2011, 12:10:40 AM
we can all agree the NBA would be better with Roger GODell as the commish'

I don't think changing the rules so that Lebron can drive for 40pts a game would be much fun in the long run. 
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 16, 2011, 12:15:01 AM
I'm not sure the NBA can encourage teams to play LESS defense, so we're probably alright there.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: benjipwns on November 16, 2011, 12:25:17 AM
They could make this be the standard for all fouls:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1asmcV2vIZI
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Mandark on November 16, 2011, 12:31:32 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 15, 2011, 09:23:34 PM
Are you implying that hockey is a sport, Mandark?  I know you're liberal and all but this is a step too far.

Hockey is about the only sport white people in the DC area are watching right now.  The Skins too, but that's some sort of ritual penitence through suffering, I think.

I hope the NBA doesn't adopt a hard cap.  The Bird rule is the biggest advantage in the system right now for smaller market teams trying to hold on to star players and it sucks to see a great team get broken up, regardless of how rich the team is.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 16, 2011, 01:50:06 AM
Not all leagues would benefit from a hard cap; the NBA certainly wouldn't I don't think.  MLB maaaaaaybe, if only because it would piss off Yanks/SAWX fans.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Mandark on November 22, 2011, 04:04:44 PM
ESPN has started to post John Hollinger's annual player profiles (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/2011-12-dal-preview/dallas-mavericks-player-profiles).  Aw yisss.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 22, 2011, 10:06:04 PM
feel free to post 'em in spoiler tags for the non-Insiders!
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: pilonv1 on November 22, 2011, 10:44:47 PM
Some of them are pretty good

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+ Quick, shoot-first guard who can push tempo. Poor decision-maker.

+ Decent defensive mobility but undersized and needs to play harder.

+ Doesn't draw fouls. Poor outside shooter. Floater, midrange game need work.

Flynn didn't just take a step back last season, he did the moonwalk. After missing the first third of the season with a hip injury he came back to play 53 excruciatingly awful games, in which he showcased a near total inability to run an NBA offense. Flynn ranked among the bottom six point guards in six different categories -- PER, TS%, shooting percentage, free throw rate, turnover ratio and pure point rating. Ouch.

The biggest problem is his poor decision-making on the move, which resulted in an astronomical turnover rate for a shoot-first point guard. Flynn's other problem is nearly as serious, however -- he's a scoring guard who can't score. Flynn can create shots, but he's neither a good outside shooter nor adept at drawing fouls, and his size is a problem when he goes into the paint to finish. Even if his percentages improve, his shockingly low free throw rate will have to improve dramatically if he's going to offer much in the way of an offensive boost.

The defensive end did Flynn no favors either. Opposing point guards had a 17.4 PER against him and Synergy rated him among the league's worst performers. He also had the eighth-worst rebound rate among point guards.

If there's good news, it's that his shooting percentage will almost certainly improve from last season's disaster, and that he's likely to be used differently in Houston than he was in Minnesota. Flynn still has some potential as a Bobby Jackson-type third guard who can create a lot of shots at middling efficiency for the second unit, but to get there he'll have to make more shots, draw more fouls and throw the ball to the correct team.

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+ Bruising wing with a point guard's handle and a center's body. Deadly at rim.

+ Average outside shooter. Can pass and create but tends to stop ball.

+ Outstanding rebounder. Excellent defensive player who can guard 1 through 5.

In three short games, James' postseason went from "greatest of all time" to "what was that?" just when it seemed he would unburden himself of the title of the league's No. 1 villain. After a sizzling 13-game stretch that saw him shove aside Boston and Chicago and win two of the first three against Dallas, James' puzzling lack of aggression and bizarre post-defeat comments left him as vilified as ever.

James showed he's the best player in the league in the Eastern Conference playoffs -- when he shredded the league's two best defenses while smothering MVP Derrick Rose at the other end -- but the Finals served to show off all his remaining imperfections. In particular, it highlighted his penchant for holding the ball and for "flaming bag" assists, in which he sends the ball around the perimeter to a player who isn't particularly open and has very little time to make a play. If the guy hits a shot it's an assist for LeBron, and if it misses it counts only against the shooter, but basketball-wise it's not much of a play. Of his six assists in the deciding Game 6, for instance, none were inside 18 feet.

I bring this up because the research I did on assist quality (see also the comments on Chris Paul and Baron Davis) supports the idea that James' passes aren't always the most incisive. Using data from Hoopdata.com on the location of player assists, the average assist from James was worth considerably less than those from most other players, because they were far more likely to be a low-percentage shot.

While the average assist is worth about 0.67 points, my research indicates that an assist from James was worth more like 0.58 points because so many of them were midrange jumpers. For the season, 42.6 percent of his assists produced a 2-point jumper away from the rim, one of the highest rates in the league. Conversely, only 29.6 percent of his assists led to a dunk or a layup; among players with at least 200 assists, only four players were worse.

Based on shooting percentages at each distance, I calculated that the marginal value of an average dunk/layup assist is about 1.329 points in 2010-11, whereas the marginal value of an assist on a long 2 was just 0.356 points. Make this adjustment for all the league's playmakers and it becomes clear that James' assists were worth a lot less than most other players'. Among those with at least 300 assists, only two players had lower-value assists (see chart).

I don't want to overstate the impact of this -- even if we adjusted the value of his assists, James still would have led the league in PER. But the passing data is important because, although a small forward, James effectively plays point guard; he, not any of Miami's nominal guards, led the team in pure point rating.

James, incidentally, made quite a bit of progress as a midrange shooter last season, a fact that should worry the entire Eastern Conference. He shot only 33.0 percent on 3s, but made 44.6 percent of his shots beyond 10 feet. He's still ridiculous at the rim -- he shot 72.1 percent at the basket, in addition to drawing multitudes of fouls -- but his midrange game is now a threat too. It's only from long range that conceding the jumper to James still makes sense.

A few other notes on James. First, he doesn't get nearly enough credit for his defense. Before he swallowed Rose whole in the conference finals, Synergy rated James as the league's second-best defender behind Dwight Howard. He allowed an 11.9 PER to opposing small forwards according to 82games.com, while basketballvalue.com says Miami gave up 4.51 fewer points per 100 possessions with him on the court. And finally, here's a James stat that may surprise you: The man renowned for the chase-down block was below the league average for small forwards in blocks per minute.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Mandark on November 22, 2011, 11:14:19 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on November 22, 2011, 10:06:04 PM
feel free to post 'em in spoiler tags for the non-Insiders!

Don't mind if I do!

Dallas Mavericks:

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JASON KIDD, PG
 Projection: 7.9 pts, 5.1 reb, 9.1 ast per 40 min; 12.14 PER | Player card

• Big, savvy point guard who rebounds very well. Great open-court passer.
• Struggles to check quick guards, but excels at defending wings and team defense.
• Will make careless turnovers. Can hit spot-up 3s but can't shoot on move.

Kidd's offensive numbers undeniably regressed last season -- he slumped to 34 percent on 3s and averaged only 9.2 points per 40 minutes -- but his defense was a major reason the Mavs were able to win the championship. The key was Dallas' realization that Kidd, while a point guard on offense, no longer had the wheels to defend the position. Instead, his size and savvy made him a very good defender against wing players. He spent the entire Finals doing battle with Dwyane Wade and LeBron James and held his own.

Kidd, of course, remains a great passer, ranking fifth in pure point rating last season, although his tendency to commit utterly preventable turnovers appears to be only worsening. In the half court, he is content to spot up on the perimeter and virtually never seeks out offense otherwise; two-thirds of his shots were 3s (the highest rate among point guards) and he took only 50 shots at the rim the entire season (only three players played at least 2,000 minutes and took fewer).

What's more amazing, however, is his energy level at age 38. Kidd was second among point guards in defensive rebound rate, fifth in steals and 10th in blocks, all while having one of the lowest foul rates in basketball. As long as his secondary skills remain so strong, he can be an effective player despite rarely scoring.


CARON BUTLER, SG (FREE AGENT -- UNRESTRICTED)
 Projection: 18.4 pts, 5.6 reb, 2.3 ast per 40 min; 13.88 PER | Player card

• Volume scorer who likes to take line-drive, midrange jump shots.
• Good build and can score in traffic. Quick release. Doesn't see floor.
• Good hands on defense but middling effort. Uninspired team defender.

I had felt Butler's volume shooting style was a deterrent to Dallas offensively because it subtracted touches from more efficient players; that Dallas replaced him after his injury with three players (Peja Stojakovic, J.J. Barea and DeShawn Stevenson) who shot far less but with a greater true shooting percentage dovetailed nicely with my theory.

Nonetheless, Dallas played extremely well for the 28 full games Butler was around. He averaged a point every two minutes and showed, at the very least, that his scoring could be an effective weapon on the right team. The rest of his sheet was largely empty, however. Butler had an unusually high turnover rate for a jump shooter and rarely set up teammates (he was 60th among small forwards in assist rate). His main feat was shooting 45.3 percent on long 2s -- a shot he took, on average, once every five minutes.

Butler's defensive reputation is poor, but it appeared he tried harder in Dallas than he did in Washington. His stats in a limited sample of games last season were very strong -- an opponent PER of 10.5, one of the highest ratings among small forwards by Synergy, and a 5.3 points per 100 possessions differential. Given his unimpressive results in Washington, that's likely just a small-sample outlier, but we should keep an open mind if the same data crops up again this season. That will be more difficult, alas, as Butler tries to recover from a serious knee injury. As a jump shooter, his offense might not suffer too much, but it might be increasingly difficult for a 31-year-old with a bad wheel to defend the position.


SHAWN MARION, SF
 Projection: 14.9 pts, 8.9 reb, 1.8 ast per 40 min; 14.23 PER | Player card

• Quick-leaping combo forward who is very effective on short-range shots.
• Bizarre, low shot release. Has stopped taking 3s. Excellent quickness for size.
• Can post up smaller wings. Good rebounder. Runs floor and handles ball well.

One twist that's always fun to watch is when coaches take plays from a new player's previous team that had worked well for him. For example, last season Dallas began running a weird play Phoenix had used with great success with Marion -- a 3/5 pick-and-roll at the top of the free throw line between Marion and the center. In Phoenix, it was Amare Stoudemire; in Dallas, it was Tyson Chandler. Each was able to catch opponents off guard with that play a couple of times a game, generating either an easy short-range look for Marion or a dunk for the center.

Marion has changed up his game quite a bit in Dallas, and it helped him to a major bounce-back season that received little fanfare but was a crucial part in the Mavs' surprise title. He no longer shoots 3s and posts up considerably more often, which boosted his shooting percentage to last season's 52 percent. He also picked up his rebounding after it fell off considerably in 2009-10, ranking second among all small forwards in rebound rate.

Marion remains a capable defender, too, who can move up to the 4 spot and wreak havoc in small lineups. While there's a fair amount of risk that his performance will regress -- he is 33 and just had his best season of the past three years -- the adjustments he's made in his game have helped him hold off Father Time a bit longer.


DIRK NOWITZKI, PF
 Projection: 24.6 pts, 7.8 reb, 2.8 ast per 40 min; 21.09 PER | Player card

• Nimble 7-footer with devastating midrange jumper and unblockable fadeaway.
• Moves well on defense but lacks strength. Not a leaper.
• Great going left and quickly pulling up for shot. Rarely turns ball over.

Nowitzki's 2010-11 postseason actually wasn't out of line with what he's done in several other playoff seasons; it just had a much happier ending. He's been doing this for years -- his career playoff PER is higher than his regular-season mark, a boast very few players can make. However, because he finally won a title after countless years of falling short, everybody was looking for "the difference" … but Nowitzki didn't really do anything different.

Nowitzki remains among the game's most devastating offensive weapons thanks to the relatively simple concept that he generates a lot of points from relatively few possessions. It's not just that he averaged 26.9 points per 40 minutes, a fearsome stat in itself, but that he did it with such staggering efficiency. Nowitzki again had among the lowest turnover rates at his position, and his true shooting percentage of 61.7 is mind-boggling for a midrange shooter. He basically turns the game's normal percentages on their head.

I can't stress this enough: You're not supposed to shoot this many long 2s and still have good percentages. For every other player in every other league in the entire world, the long 2-pointer is the worst shot in basketball. But it's not if you're Dirk Nowitzki. He was the second best in the league at shooting from 10-23 feet last season (see chart), but the even more amazing part is in the "attempts" column -- he took nearly 10 a game. Well more than half his shots were long 2s.

Top midrange shooters (10-23 feet), 2010-11
Player   Team   Att.   Pct.
Al Horford   Atl   492   51.2
Dirk Nowitzki   Dal   723   50.8
Luke Ridnour   Min   293   47.8
Elton Brand   Phi   561   47.6
Anthony Morrow   NJ   245   47.3
Source: Hoopdata.com. Min. 150 attempts
Unlike the rest of the planet, Nowitzki is so uncannily accurate that he can dominate games this way. Defenders routinely foul him trying to pressure his shot or by leaving their feet due to the threat of the shot. Opponents send double-teams to prevent it, creating openings for others. And as a result, he was arguably the most valuable offensive player in basketball last season. Certainly he is for Dallas' system -- the Mavs scored 10.27 points fewer per 100 possessions when he left the court last season, a staggering figure that's been pretty steady over the past half-decade.


TYSON CHANDLER, C (FREE AGENT -- UNRESTRICTED)
 Projection: 13.2 pts, 13.1 reb, 0.8 ast per 40 min; 16.70 PER | Player card

• Long, mobile big man who alters shots and controls defensive boards.
• No post game. Improved foul shooter. Strong finisher around basket.
• Runs floor well. Injury-prone. Can't handle ball.

Chandler was the key to Dallas' emergence as a champion-caliber team last season, turning the Mavs' center position from a glaring weakness into a solid positive. While they were fortunate his acquisition worked out so well, they put the odds in their favor by taking a calculated risk -- a high-character, professional player with an expiring contract and a high ceiling.

The risk, obviously, was that Chandler had missed 68 games over the previous two seasons and was at considerably less than full strength in several of the other seasons he played. But his toe and ankles didn't bother him last season, and he put in the effort to greatly improve himself as a shooter. Chandler shot a career-best 73.2 percent from the line -- important because of his high free throw rate -- and knocked down 24 of his 51 shots beyond 10 feet.

Combined with his usual great finishing skills, Chandler led the NBA in true shooting percentage (see chart). Less widely discussed, though, is that he also trimmed his formerly prodigious turnover rate. That had been one of his major offensive limitations with the Hornets, but he reduced the illegal screens and ballhandling blunders enough to post a career-high PER.

True Shooting Percentage leaders, 2010-11
Player   Team   TS%
Tyson Chandler   Dal   69.7
Shaquille O'Neal   Bos   65.9
Nene   Den   65.7
DeAndre Jordan   LAC   64.8
Ronny Turiaf   LAL   64.8
Min. 150 "shots" (FGA + (FTA*0.44))
Defensively, Chandler has blocked fewer shots in recent years and has focused more on using his length and mobility to alter them while keeping his defensive position. He dominated on the glass last season, ranking sixth in rebound rate among centers, and both his Synergy and on-court versus off-court numbers confirm the subjective conclusions that he was one of the league's better defensive centers.

Chandler is unlikely to match last season's productivity going forward, as he was a Fluke Rule player in 2010-11 (see Lamar Odom comment (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/player/hollinger/_/id/617/lamar-odom)). For Dallas, however, it's much more important that he merely stay on the court. The Mavs can live with some decline in his shooting percentages, but they won't win another title without his defense.



RESERVES

JASON TERRY, SG
 Projection: 19.0 pts, 2.3 reb, 4.8 ast per 40 min; 15.14 PER | Player card

• Fast combo guard with deadly midrange jump shot, especially going right.
• Not a true point guard but capable of creating off dribble. Abysmal rebounder.
• Lacks size, strength on defense but has fast hands. Better in cross-matches.

Everyone knows the Mavs have one great midrange shooter, but in the playoffs, Terry reminded everyone they have two. He shot 46.6 percent on 2-pointers from beyond 10 feet last season, the 11th-best mark in the league, and threw in enough 3-pointers to have a decent true shooting percentage despite all those jumpers.

Terry also proved useful starting trouble in pick-and-rolls; while he doesn't have great court vision, he can play the point in a pinch and ranked seventh among shooting guards in pure point rating. However, he did see a spike in turnovers -- his highest mark in six years -- and that was the main reason his PER fell.

Terry can be a bit high-strung, for both good and bad. Even last season, he had several bizarre incidents (in a two-week stretch at the end of the regular season, he took a cheap shot at Steve Blake, got in a fight on his own bench and celebrated a missed free throw at the buzzer because he didn't know the score), but his unshakable confidence also helped him step up with a series of killer shots in the Finals.

Defensively, Terry's value is linked with that of Jason Kidd. As long as they share the court, they can switch men on defense and Terry can guard the opposing point guard. But against most 2s, Terry is dead meat, so these matchups need to be monitored very carefully. Terry's rebound rates are annually among the worst in basketball, and last season was no exception -- for the second year in a row, he had the league's second-worst mark (see Jamal Crawford comment (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/hollinge_/id/165/jamal-crawford)).


J.J. BAREA, PG (FREE AGENT -- UNRESTRICTED)
 Projection: 18.2 pts, 3.7 reb, 7.2 ast per 40 min; 14.39 PER | Player card

• Tiny pick-and-roll expert with explosive first step, especially going right.
• Strong and great at taking charges, but lacks size and is beatable off dribble.
• Has scorer's mentality. Mediocre outside shooter. Can make runners in lane.

Barea emerged as a key rotation player during the Mavs' championship run, using his expertise creating offense in the pick-and-roll to add some zing to Dallas' second unit. He's become incredibly skillful at running his defender into the screen and giving himself a free run at the opposing big man, and with his burst, he has no trouble getting around the corner.

Barea's shot creation is better than his shot-making -- his efficiency rates are nothing special, and although he's clever at looping runners over bigger opponents, he's not a particularly accurate shooter. While his mentality is more to score than pass, he's become a credible shot creator for others, ranking 29th in pure point rating. Barea also is the master of another category: self-created layups. Only 12.5 percent of Barea's baskets at the rim were the result of an assist, the lowest percentage in the NBA last season (see chart).

Lowest percentage of at-rim baskets assisted, 2010-11
Player   Team   Pct.
J.J. Barea   Dal   12.5
Chris Paul   NO   12.9
Jameer Nelson   Orl   13.1
Raymond Felton   NY-Den   14.0
Baron Davis   LAC-Cle   16.7
Defensively, Barea's size lures opponents into backing him down. Wrong approach -- Barea is a flopper par excellence and invariably baits opponents into a charging call. He's beatable off the dribble, however, and relatively easy to shoot over the top against. In other words, the less obsessed an opponent is with taking advantage of him, the more easily it does so.


PEJA STOJAKOVIC, SF
 Projection: 15.6 pts, 4.3 reb, 1.8 ast per 40 min; 12.18 PER | Player card

• Tall, accurate, long-range shooter with difficult-to-block release.
• Slow-footed. Plagued by back problems. A defensive liability.
• Struggles to create own shot but rarely turns ball over. Poor rebounder.

One of Dallas' best and most unheralded moves was spiriting Stojakovic away from Toronto in early February to add another wing shooter to the bench. Plagued by back and leg problems the past two years, Stojakovic suddenly emerged spry and fit in March, and never looked back, hitting 41.9 percent of his 3s and blistering Portland and the Lakers in the first two rounds of the playoffs before he finally cooled off.

For the season, Stojakovic took more than half his shots behind the arc and turned it over on just 6 percent of his possessions. More impressive was his movement -- he was able to get free often enough to average 18.2 points per 40 minutes, an unusually high rate for a sniper. That alone was ample evidence that the stiff back was feeling much better.

Stojakovic's rejuvenation ended in the Oklahoma City series, and, at 34 with his health history, it's an open question whether he has another season like this left in him. He's also a huge defensive liability whose matchups must be slotted carefully. But few players in history have shot better, and he showed last spring his shooting stroke is still a weapon with which to be reckoned.


BRENDAN HAYWOOD, C
 Projection: 9.1 pts, 11.2 reb, 0.9 ast per 40 min; 12.46 PER | Player card

• Big center who can finish dunks and short hooks. Limited low-post game.
• Horrendous foul shooter. Has few ball skills. Solid rebounder.
• Size, shot-blocking make him plus defender but motivation comes and goes.

Haywood led the league in the percentage of his shots that were basket-and-1s, at 11.2 percent (see chart). This might be more encouraging if he hadn't also led the league in wasted free-agent dollars. Dallas gave him a five-year, $43 million deal in the offseason, and then won the Finals with minimum-wagers Ian Mahinmi and Brian Cardinal taking his place.

Highest percentage of shots as basket-and-1s, 2010-11
Player   Team   Pct.
Brendan Haywood   Dal   11.2
Nene   Den   9.9
Kwame Brown   Cha   8.0
Dwight Howard   Orl   7.9
Tyson Chandler   Dal   7.1
Min. 20 And-1s
I know the Mavs were willing to burn money to get a ring, but man, that's one hell of a bonfire. The championship halo shouldn't overshadow how badly it will sandbag their cap planning (although the amnesty clause may save them) -- in 2014-15, he'll be 34 and make $10 million. (The total contract value could be more if he achieves some unlikely incentives and Dallas picks up the nonguaranteed final year at $10.5 million in 2015-16, but one can comfortably rule out both possibilities at this point.)

Even Haywood's biggest positive was a negative. He was fifth among centers in free throw attempts per field goal attempt, but that was intentional -- he shot an embarrassing 36.2 percent from the line. This earned him the distinction of the lowest secondary percentage in basketball, as his trips to the line actually dragged his true shooting percentage down (see DeAndre Jordan comment (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/player/hollinger/_/id/3442/deandre-jordan)), one of only six players to land in the negatives.

Defensively, he was still fairly solid. Haywood is 7 feet with a solid build, blocks shots and has decent mobility for a player of his size. That makes him a useful backup center, especially against bigger opponents such as the Lakers and Magic. That's why Dallas wanted him, and it was a valid reason. But the Mavs grossly overpaid for him.


DeSHAWN STEVENSON, SG (FREE AGENT -- UNRESTRICTED)
 Projection: 11.3 pts, 3.6 reb, 2.7 ast per 40 min; 8.01 PER | Player card

• Strong wing defender with toughness. Spot-up 3-point shooter. Slow release.
• Handles ball well but has no burst or leaping ability. Very poor finisher.
• History of back problems. Good shot selection. Questionable tattoo selection.

At the 2010 trade deadline, the Mavericks were stoked that they acquired two players from Washington they thought would put them over the top -- Caron Butler and Brendan Haywood. The only drawback was that, as part of the trade, they had to eat the final year and a half on Stevenson's contract.

Funny how things work out. Butler and Haywood were injured in the Finals, while Stevenson shot 13-of-23 on 3s for the series, committed one turnover in 93 minutes and ably defended LeBron James. To say this was unexpected is an understatement: Stevenson had shot 28.2 percent and 31.2 percent the previous two seasons. No, no, not on 3s -- I mean overall.

However, last season he rediscovered his jump shot. Stevenson took three-quarters of his shots behind the arc and made a solid 37.8 percent, raising his offensive value enough that the Mavs could leave him on the court for his defense. He'd been plagued by back trouble the previous few years, and last season's results were pretty consistent with what he had done earlier in his Washington career. So there's at least some hope that this wasn't a fluke (his season, that is, not his Finals) and he can remain a useful role player going forward.


BRIAN CARDINAL, PF
 Projection: 8.8 pts, 3.9 reb, 2.6 ast per 40 min; 8.94 PER | Player card

• Floor-spacing big man who is strictly catch-and-shoot 3-point threat.
• Slow, undersized defender, but smart and physical. Gives fouls freely.
• Nonfactor on boards. Can't create own shot or finish in paint.

Cardinal set a record that will never be broken -- he was assisted on every single basket he made last season. Yes, that's easier when you make only 43 of them, but still. Amazingly, 42 of those makes were 3-pointers, nearly all coming from spot-ups in the corner. Essentially, Dallas found the one thing Cardinal could do and didn't ask him to do anything more; he shot 48.3 percent on those triples, nearly leading the league in true shooting percentage in the process, and contributed two big ones in the Finals.

Highest percentage of baskets assisted, 2010-11
Player   Team   Pct. Assisted
Brian Cardinal   Dal   100.0
James Jones   Mia   98.6
Keith Bogans   Chi   93.5
James Posey   Ind   91.4
Daequan Cook   OKC   91.1
Min. 500 minutes
Cardinal was another spot-up shooter the Mavs had to manage carefully at the defensive end. While he's a clever team defender who takes charges and is more than happy to maim an opponent to prevent a layup, Cardinal is hopeless in individual defense. That, plus his paucity of rebounds, his complete and utter inability to create his own shot, and his limited likelihood of shooting in the 40s on 3s again are some of the reasons he's unlikely to relive his glory of this past postseason.


RODRIGUE BEAUBOIS, G
 No projection | Player card

• Speedy guard who can shoot and score. Penetrates but doesn't see court well.
• Gets out of control on drives. Must improve handle. Good rebounder for size.
• Good defensive quickness but needs to improve strength and fundamentals.

The inadvertent catalyst for Dallas' championship run, Beaubois started 26 of the Mavs' last 27 games until injuring his ankle on the final day of the season. He never got back on the active roster, as Dallas' guard rotation suddenly clicked without him.

This isn't all Beaubois' fault, of course -- his presence gave the Mavs one small guard too many. But he also had a rough second season. After missing most of the year with a foot injury, he struggled to regain the scoring prowess he showed as a rookie. Beaubois slumped to 42.2 percent from the floor and 30.1 percent on 3s, while his erratic ballhandling made little progress and doomed him to the "2 in a 1's body" archetype.

Still, even last season Beaubois could fill it up, averaging 19 points per 40 minutes, and one presumes the poor shooting percentages had much do with rust from his long layoff. If so, his scoring boost could prove incredibly helpful to another team if he's ever traded. But it's difficult to find playing time for a poor man's Jason Terry when you already have the real one.


IAN MAHINMI, C
 No projection | Player card

• Athletic big man and high-percentage finisher near basket. Draws lots of fouls.
• Has limited perimeter game and very poor ball skills. Lacks strength for a true 5.
• Passable defender but uncoordinated; has sky-high foul rate. Injury-prone.

Dallas fans can pinpoint the exact moment in Game 6 of the Finals when they knew it was their night: the one-legged, Dirk Nowitzki-esque fadeaway Mahinmi made at the end of the third quarter. No, he does not normally do this. Nonetheless, he represented a good value pickup for the end of the Mavs' bench based on his solid numbers in previous NBA minutes and in the D-League.

Mahinmi certainly has his issues -- he fouled at the obscene rate of one every 4.6 minutes, he was far too turnover-prone for such a low-usage player and he has had trouble staying healthy.

However, he can get some points. Mahinmi is very active and efficient around the basket, shooting 56.1 percent from the floor and backing it up with an amazing 0.84 free throw attempts per field goal attempt; he made his freebies, too. As a result, his true shooting percentage of 64.5 was among the best at his position … and yet it brought down his career average. To find a fifth big man this productive on a minimum contract was a quiet coup for Dallas, and one reason among many it emerged victorious in June.


RUDY FERNANDEZ, SG
 Projection: 14.8 pts, 3.9 reb, 4.0 ast per 40 min; 14.06 PER | Player card

• Athletic wing with very slight build. Handles ball well for size and sees floor.
• Very good moving without ball. Overrated shooter but makes free throws.
• Moves well on D; quick enough to check 1s. Eviscerated in strength matchups.

Our J.A. Adande came up with an archetype called "shooters who can't shoot" -- i.e., players with a reputation as good distance shooters even though they aren't terribly accurate. Fernandez has to be near the top of the list -- he made 32.1 percent of his 3s last season and is at 36.4 percent for his career. Over his past two seasons he's shot a gruesome 37.4 percent total.

There's a reason for this. Fernandez struggles keeping his balance on his jumper, almost always drifting to one side or another depending on which way his momentum is going, and that tends to throw off what is a very accurate release when he's set (witness his 85.5 percent career free throw mark).

What Fernandez can do is handle the ball and create, although he didn't have many opportunities to do so in Portland. He has very good court vision off the dribble and ranked sixth among shooting guards in pure point rating. He also draws fouls with his off-ball movement and quick drives, and that left him with a halfway-respectable TS% despite his miserable shooting percentage.

Defensively, Fernandez becomes more valuable the quicker and lighter the opponent. He had productive stretches against J.J. Barea in the playoffs, checking him closer than you might expect and getting away with it. But he's best off switching men with a big point guard; against traditional 2s he can get flattened because it's such a strength mismatch. Although it was a small sample, opposing point guards had only a 13.5 PER against Fernandez. Now that he's been traded to Dallas, he has the perfect cohort for that strategy in Jason Kidd, and may be able to check point guards much more often.


COREY BREWER, SG
 Projection: 15.0 pts, 4.4 reb, 2.5 ast per 40 min; 11.40 PER | Player card

• Slender, athletic wing defender. Great in passing lanes. Fouls too much.
• Horrifying half-court offensive player. Can hardly dribble without falling down.
• Must upgrade catch-and-shoot game. Positive locker room guy -- always smiling.

Brewer went back to shooting bricks in 2010-11 after showing some signs of developing a reliable perimeter game the previous season. That said, the perception of his decline was far greater than the reality -- his other stats hardly changed, and he partly offset the shooting decline by drawing more fouls.

Still, his offense might be charitably described as a work in progress. Brewer shot 26.8 percent on 3s and 33.3 percent on long 2s, and those comprised nearly half his shots. The shot mix is unlikely to change because Brewer is such a lousy ball handler, so he has to develop a reliable catch-and-shoot game and take his wayward dribbling out of the equation. It also might help Brewer to get more minutes as a 3, which might be a better long-term position for him. Minnesota played him mostly as a 2, and that only further exposed his low skill level.

Defensively, Brewer's antenna for steals is remarkable. He was second among shooting guards in steals per minute and has become very opportunistic at stealing inbound passes when opponents aren't paying attention. With his length and quickness, he could emerge as a wing stopper. However, his lack of strength and overaggressive play contribute to a very high foul rate -- only three shooting guards were whistled more often.


DOMINIQUE JONES, SG
 No projection | Player card

• Big, strong wing who rebounds very well for his size. Good passer.
• Quick and can get to basket, but outside shot needs improvement.
• Physical player but a B athlete. Unclear what offensive role he can fill.

Jones barely got on the floor for Dallas, playing only 135 minutes in his rookie season. He showed his one definitive NBA skill, rebounding, by grabbing 7.4 boards per 40 minutes, but shot 31.1 percent from the floor and didn't make a 3-pointer.

In 10 D-League games, it was a similar story. Jones got to the basket, set up teammates and drew fouls, but at a high cost in turnovers. His rebounding wasn't quite as phenomenal, and considering the level of competition, his overall performance was pretty borderline. He'd be best served by going to a bad team and playing 1,000 minutes off the bench, but on this roster he'll have to prove himself defensively and show he can make a few spot-up 3s to earn minutes in a crowded backcourt.
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MARIO CHALMERS, PG (FREE AGENT -- RESTRICTED)
 Projection: 11.5 pts, 3.4 reb, 4.3 ast per 40 min; 10.26 PER | Player card

• Spot-up shooting point guard who rarely penetrates. A 3-point threat.
• Average at best as ball handler. Throws away passes. Professionalism a concern.
• Good size for guard and great hands, but average defender overall. Foul-prone.

Chalmers once again struggled with inconsistency in his third pro season, somehow losing a starting job that was waiting for him on a silver platter and failing to take advantage of the myriad open looks that came his way. Chalmers shot 35.9 percent on 3s and 39.7 percent on 2s beyond 10 feet; that's not good enough for a spot-up shooting specialist playing with two All-World wingmen.

Three-fifths of his shots were 3s and he rarely created shots on his own, ranking 62nd out of 67 point guards in usage rate. His distribution at the point was nonexistent, averaging just 4.2 assists per 40 minutes and somehow posting one of the worst turnover ratios at his position despite the limited role asked of him.

Defensively, Chalmers has good size for a point guard and is active, but not always in a good way. He has lightning-quick hands and ranked ninth among point guards in steals per minute, but he also fouled too often (only five point guards fouled more per minute) and took poor gambles. Overall, he's an average defender, which is fine if he's making shots. If he's not, like last year, it's tough to justify playing him.


DWYANE WADE, SG
 Projection: 26.9 pts, 6.3 reb, 5.5 ast per 40 min; 25.03 PER | Player card

• Electrifying wing with blinding quickness and quick leaping ability.
• Great at splitting pick-and-roll. Poor shooter but draws heaps of fouls with fakes.
• Ball-hawking defender but gambles too much. Good on ball. Rebounds well.

As expected, Wade traded in some of his usage rate for a higher shooting percentage once LeBron James came aboard, shooting a career-high 50 percent but losing nearly two points and more than two assists off his 40-minute average. He still was a brilliant player, but he spotted up more often and shot more jumpers, which dimmed his luster a bit. Wade shot 30.6 percent on 3s and 37.5 percent on long 2s; of more concern was that these shots comprised nearly half his attempts.

Initiating offense less frequently, Wade also had fewer assists, but the big shock was the spike in turnovers. Wade was 53rd among shooting guards in turnover ratio; while he's always been a high-turnover player, last season's spike was unexpected given how much less was expected of him as a distributor. This applies more generally to all the Heat players -- nearly all of them had far higher turnover ratios than one would have imagined given their roles, and Miami as a team was only 17th in this category.

Wade did take advantage of his off-ball time by crashing the boards, ranking third among shooting guards in offensive rebound rate. And as usual he drew better than a free throw attempt for every two field goal attempts, a ratio that placed him third at his position. Once again, Wade's ability to get defenders to buy fakes is a big reason; even though he's not a good outside shooter, opponents somehow feel compelled to come flying at him as though he's Reggie Miller. If there's a concern, it's how much longer he can keep doing this; Wade is 29, has taken a beating with all the contact he draws and has already had several notable injuries.

Defensively, Wade is the best 6-foot-4 shot-blocker ever. Last season he averaged 1.2 blocks per 40 minutes, which not only led all shooting guards but was better than the league average for power forwards. He's the only player 6-5 or shorter to average more than a block a game in two different seasons; last season was the fifth time he's done it. Wade's biggest problem is staying at home; he still gambles himself out of position at times. However, he's a good one-on-one defender thanks to his superior athleticism. While his defensive stats weren't overwhelming last season, subjectively he's one of the better defenders at his position.


LeBRON JAMES, SF
 Projection: 28.7 pts, 7.8 reb, 7.2 ast per 40 min; 27.39 PER | Player card

• Bruising wing with a point guard's handle and a center's body. Deadly at rim.
• Average outside shooter. Can pass and create but tends to stop ball.
• Outstanding rebounder. Excellent defensive player who can guard 1 through 5.

In three short games, James' postseason went from "greatest of all time" to "what was that?" just when it seemed he would unburden himself of the title of the league's No. 1 villain. After a sizzling 13-game stretch that saw him shove aside Boston and Chicago and win two of the first three against Dallas, James' puzzling lack of aggression and bizarre post-defeat comments left him as vilified as ever.

James showed he's the best player in the league in the Eastern Conference playoffs -- when he shredded the league's two best defenses while smothering MVP Derrick Rose at the other end -- but the Finals served to show off all his remaining imperfections. In particular, it highlighted his penchant for holding the ball and for "flaming bag" assists, in which he sends the ball around the perimeter to a player who isn't particularly open and has very little time to make a play. If the guy hits a shot it's an assist for LeBron, and if it misses it counts only against the shooter, but basketball-wise it's not much of a play. Of his six assists in the deciding Game 6, for instance, none were inside 18 feet.

I bring this up because the research I did on assist quality (see also the comments on Chris Paul and Baron Davis) supports the idea that James' passes aren't always the most incisive. Using data from Hoopdata.com on the location of player assists, the average assist from James was worth considerably less than those from most other players, because they were far more likely to be a low-percentage shot.

While the average assist is worth about 0.67 points, my research indicates that an assist from James was worth more like 0.58 points because so many of them were midrange jumpers. For the season, 42.6 percent of his assists produced a 2-point jumper away from the rim, one of the highest rates in the league. Conversely, only 29.6 percent of his assists led to a dunk or a layup; among players with at least 200 assists, only four players were worse.

Based on shooting percentages at each distance, I calculated that the marginal value of an average dunk/layup assist is about 1.329 points in 2010-11, whereas the marginal value of an assist on a long 2 was just 0.356 points. Make this adjustment for all the league's playmakers and it becomes clear that James' assists were worth a lot less than most other players'. Among those with at least 300 assists, only two players had lower-value assists (see chart).

Lowest average assist value, 2010-11
Player   Team   Avg. assist Value
Joe Johnson   Atl   .572
Darren Collison   Ind   .577
LeBron James   Mia   .581
Brandon Jennings   Mil   .588
Jordan Farmar   NJ   .590
League average       .667
Source: Hoopdata.com. Min. 300 assists
I don't want to overstate the impact of this -- even if we adjusted the value of his assists, James still would have led the league in PER. But the passing data is important because, although a small forward, James effectively plays point guard; he, not any of Miami's nominal guards, led the team in pure point rating.

James, incidentally, made quite a bit of progress as a midrange shooter last season, a fact that should worry the entire Eastern Conference. He shot only 33.0 percent on 3s, but made 44.6 percent of his shots beyond 10 feet. He's still ridiculous at the rim -- he shot 72.1 percent at the basket, in addition to drawing multitudes of fouls -- but his midrange game is now a threat too. It's only from long range that conceding the jumper to James still makes sense.

A few other notes on James. First, he doesn't get nearly enough credit for his defense. Before he swallowed Rose whole in the conference finals, Synergy rated James as the league's second-best defender behind Dwight Howard. He allowed an 11.9 PER to opposing small forwards according to 82games.com, while basketballvalue.com says Miami gave up 4.51 fewer points per 100 possessions with him on the court. And finally, here's a James stat that may surprise you: The man renowned for the chase-down block was below the league average for small forwards in blocks per minute.


CHRIS BOSH, PF
 Projection: 21.0 pts, 9.6 reb, 2.2 ast p/40 min; 19.82 PER | Player card

• Lanky, left-handed high-scoring forward who can shoot, drive and finish.
• Excels at taking opposing bigs off dribble to draw fouls. Has 20-foot range.
• Mobile defender but not particularly tough. Lacks strength. Rarely fouls.

In some ways Bosh was the Heat's most indispensable player. If LeBron James or Dwyane Wade checked out, there was still an All-Star wing on the floor, but when Bosh left, the Heat frontcourt immediately became the league's worst. That's why it was Bosh, not Wade or James, who had the best raw adjusted plus-minus on the team, at 9.86 points per 100 possessions. With Udonis Haslem back, the differential may be less pronounced this season.

Nonetheless, Bosh had a disappointing first season in Miami. While it was unrealistic to expect him to repeat the heights of a career year in Toronto in 2009-10, his vertiginous drop of 6.0 points from his 40-minute scoring average was all the more shocking because it came with no gains in efficiency. Additionally, he disappeared on the glass, with his 9.2 boards per 40 minutes being his worst since his rookie year.

He's still a deadly pick-and-pop weapon who made 45 percent of his shots beyond 10 feet, and he wasn't too shabby at the rim either (69.9 percent). Bosh has also mastered the free throw game -- he was seventh among power forwards in free throw attempts per field goal attempt, but hardly ever fouled himself; only one power forward was whistled less often.

Despite that, he was solid defensively. While Bosh has a reputation as a shrinking violet because he doesn't play physically, his length and mobility are very helpful, and he put a lot more effort into it than he'd done in Toronto.


JOEL ANTHONY, C
 Projection: 4.0 pts, 7.2 reb, 0.6 ast per 40 min; 6.55 PER | Player card

• Undersized, energetic center with excellent mobility and shot-blocking skill.
• Brutal offensive player. Can't shoot, has terrible hands and no instincts.
• Poor rebounder despite athleticism, especially on defense. Poor finisher at rim.

Anthony is a useful defensive player; let's start with that. Miami gave up fewer points with him on the court, he was 11th among centers in blocks per minute, and Synergy graded him well ahead of the curve. But let's not get carried away; opposing centers still had a 14.2 PER against him, he had the fourth-worst defensive rebound rate among centers, and for a guy whose mobility is an asset, it was bizarre to see him sport the lowest rate of steals per minute in the NBA -- Anthony had only 10 in 1,463 minutes (see Joey Graham comment).

His defensive value, however, is more than offset by the fact that he is the single worst offensive player in basketball. Instead of his name and number, Anthony's jersey should have just said "AVOID." For the most part, that's what the Heat did. His 4.9 usage rate was not only the lowest in the NBA, it was the lowest in the league in nearly two decades; not since Charles Jones was playing dodgeball for the Bullets in the early '90s has a player been this adept at uninvolvement. Anthony scored 53 baskets in 75 games, even though nobody was guarding him; normally a player like this at least gets some second shots, but Anthony wasn't good at offensive rebounding either.

Lowest Usage Rate, 2010-11
Player   Team   Usage Rate
Joel Anthony   Mia   4.9
Joel Przybilla   Por-Cha   7.0
Erick Dampier   Mia   7.4
Ben Wallace   Det   8.1
Jared Jeffries   Hou-NY   8.5
Min. 500 minutes
Fewest Points Per 40 minutes, 2010-11
Player   Team   Pts/40
Joel Anthony   Mia   4.2
Joel Przybilla   Por-Cha   4.9
Jared Jeffries   Hou-NY   4.9
Ben Wallace   Det   5.0
Erick Dampier   Mia   6.3
Min. 500 minutes
Overall, then, he was a real drag. The Heat gave him a five-year contract last summer because he was something of an organizational teacher's pet, doing everything asked of him. Given the other dregs the Heat had available at center, I'm sure Miami felt that since at least Anthony could do something -- defend -- he was the least bad option.

To an extent they're right -- Anthony is a valuable defender. He's just so awful offensively that his only usage should come as an end-of-quarter defensive replacement.


KEY RESERVES

MIKE MILLER, SG
 Projection: 10.4 pts, 9.0 reb, 2.8 ast per 40 min; 10.68 PER | Player card

• Big wing with textbook shooting form. Excellent, underrated rebounder.
• Reluctant shooter who rarely attacks and forces passes. Good right-hand driver.
• Solid defender against most 3s thanks to size, but too slow to defend 2s.

Miller damaged both thumbs and it cost him his main differentiating skill, his deadly set shot off the catch. His struggle shooting was evident in the numbers: he shot just 36 percent on 3s and was 12-of-40 on long 2s.

But even worse were the shots he didn't take at all. With little confidence in his loosely attached digits, Miller constantly passed up shots and had the fourth-lowest usage rate of any shooting guard. Often, instead of shooting, he'd try to force a pass into traffic; as a result, he had the second-worst turnover ratio of any shooting guard.

The worry is that he'll continue doing this even when healthy, as Miller exhibited similar signs in Minnesota and Washington. If the thumbs are at full strength and Miller can be cajoled into shooting, however, he can make the Heat a much more potent offensive outfit than they were last season.

What did stand out is what a hellacious rebounder Miller has become. Ask 100 basketball fans whether LeBron James or Mike Miller had a better rebound rate last season, and at least 98 of them will get the wrong answer. Miller's awesome 13.0 rate was not only better than LeBron's, it was the best of any shooting guard in the NBA and better than that of 19 centers, including two on his own team.


UDONIS HASLEM, PF
 No projection | Player card

• Tough, smart, pick-and-pop power forward who rarely makes mistakes.
• Not a great athlete but a solid defender and rebounder. Rarely creates own shot.
• Has 18-foot range. Limited post game. Undersized 4 but strong, physical.

Haslem missed nearly the entire season with a foot injury, but his return in the playoffs solidified the frontcourt rotation and gave Miami the upper hand on Chicago in particular. He played only 347 minutes before checking out so there isn't a ton to discuss, especially since, statistically, he did the same things he does every other season.

Of note, however, is that he continues to rip the nets on long 2s. He shot 46.6 percent in 2009-10, and made 49.2 percent in his brief 2010-11 cameo.


JAMES JONES, SF
 Projection: 11.4 pts, 4.2 reb, 1.2 ast per 40 min; 9.58 PER | Player card

• One-dimensional corner 3-point shooter. Has no idea he's allowed to dribble.
• Poor athlete, but has good size for 3 and plays passable defense. Bad rebounder.

The ultimate Johnny One-Note, Jones did nothing but shoot 3s from the corner, except for that one time he tried a shot at the basket. No, seriously -- he took one shot at the basket all season. In 1,551 minutes.

Needless to say, Jones had the league's lowest rate of shot attempts at the rim last season (see chart). In a related note, Jones had 98.6 percent of his baskets assisted, the most of any perimeter player except Brian Cardinal.

Fewest shots at the rim per minute, 2010-11
Player   Team   Shots at rim/min.
James Jones   Mia   .025
Brian Cardinal   Dal   .065
Carlos Arroyo   Mia-Bos   .160
Steve Blake   LAL   .177
Daequan Cook   OKC   .200
Source: Hoopdata.com. Min. 500 minutes.
Jones' other stats similarly highlight his offensive extremes. He had the second-lowest turnover ratio, because all he had to do was catch and shoot. He took five shots inside 15 feet all year. He led the NBA in secondary percentage, because nearly all his shots were 3s, and was second among small forwards in TS%. He was last among small forwards in usage rate, because he just stood in the corner all game.

Somehow, Jones drew a decent number of free throw attempts, as he has become very good at pump-faking the 3 and drawing contact -- most memorably on the play that led to his playoff fracas with Paul Pierce.

Defensively, he wasn't bad; his biggest shortcoming was a pathetic rebound rate. Opposing small forwards mustered just a 13.2 PER against him according to 82games.com, and his Synergy and plus-minus data were solid. Overall he's an extremely limited player, but one whose strengths fit in quite well with Miami's roster.


EDDIE HOUSE, SG
 Projection: 13.3 pts, 3.6 reb, 2.5 ast p/40 min; 10.41 PER | Player card

• Small, shoot-first guard with quick, accurate jumper. Good at getting open.
• Awful ball handler for size. Can't bring ball up against pressure.
• Good defensive effort but lacks size and athleticism. Never draws fouls.

In retrospect, it's surprising that House didn't play more, given what a threat his weak-side long-distance sniping can be. Miami didn't need him to bring the ball up, which is good because he can't, but House can competently defend opposing point guards and he can score. House averaged 14.8 points per 40 minutes -- solid, but also the fewest since his rookie year -- and did it with the lowest turnover ratio among point guards.

He could have done better, as House actually had a tough shooting year by his standards. He made just 38.9 percent of his 3s and 39.5 percent of his long 2s. Of course, that's a glass-half-full view; it was also his second straight year of shooting in the 30s, and he's 33 years old, and his scoring rate declined for the third straight year.

Defensively, House is light and a B athlete who can be bullied by big guards, but he's quick and competes. His Synergy grades were shockingly good; while I'll take that with a grain of salt or 10 given the limited minutes, his other numbers weren't bad either. All told, he might have been Miami's best option at the point, even shooting 39 percent and not being able to get the ball upcourt. If he makes more shots, he certainly is.


NORRIS COLE, PG
 No projection | Player card

• Solid point guard with broad-based skills and excellent handle.
• Not great at any one thing, but few weaknesses. Lacks elite athleticism.
• Mediocre long-range shooter. Better at midrange pull-ups. Thin frame.

Cole didn't get a lot of national hype playing for tiny Cleveland State, but scouts in the know salivated over him all season. He's a rock-solid pick-and-roll point guard with a lot of subtle moves to free himself, one of those guys who just knows how to play.

He's not a super athlete and he'll have to improve his 34 percent mark on 3-pointers in his final two collegiate seasons, but he improved steadily throughout his college career and earned rave reviews for his work ethic along the way. Given Miami's needs, I thought he was great value for a late first-round pick; if he hits 3s he could be starting by the time the playoffs roll around.


MIKE BIBBY, PG (FREE AGENT -- UNRESTRICTED)
 Projection: 11.9 pts, 3.4 reb, 4.8 ast per 40 min; 10.70 PER | Player card

• Small, steady jump-shooting point guard with low release point. Quick trigger.
• Low-mistake player. Rarely penetrates or draws fouls.
• Poor defensive player. Lacks both size and quickness. Doesn't rebound.

Despite making 44 percent of his 3s, Bibby's steady decline continued -- culminating in a DNP in the decisive Game 6 of the Finals. Bibby can space the floor and handles the ball well enough to orchestrate offense, but between his small stature and lack of athleticism he's a liability in every other area. He can't create his own shot or finish anything besides an open jumper, which is easily seen in two stats: his usage rate, the fifth-worst among point guards, and his free throw rate, the second-worst.

Bibby struggled even on long 2s (36.4 percent on 2s beyond 10 feet), and virtually never got into the paint -- in addition to the anemic free throw rate, he had only 52 attempts inside 10 feet in 2,286 minutes.

And defensively, it was a constant game in both Atlanta and Miami to hide him on the weak side against bad offensive players. But even so Bibby contributed little from the help side -- he was only 62nd among point guards in steals per minute, and Synergy gave him poor grades in both Atlanta and Miami. Bibby likely can stick around in the league another year or two because of his perimeter shooting threat, but his days as an NBA starter ended the second Miami turned in its lineup sheet for Game 6.


ERICK DAMPIER, C (FREE AGENT -- UNRESTRICTED)
 Projection: 7.5 pts, 8.4 reb, 1.4 ast per 40 min; 9.41 PER | Player card

• Formerly active offensive rebounder whose zeal has greatly diminished.
• Average defensive center. Has good size but not terribly mobile or active.
• Has no post game or ballhandling skill. Won't shoot from outside.

Here's all you need to know about Dampier's tenure in Miami: His defining skill his entire career has been his offensive rebounding, and he ranked 51st among centers in offensive rebound rate last season. All that goes to explain why he averaged a pathetic 6.3 points per 40 minutes, and why he had a single-digit PER, and why he's probably about at the end of the line.

Defensively, Dampier wasn't bad in Miami. He's still big and he can move around fairly well, ranking 16th among centers in blocks per minute. Synergy graded him among the league's best centers in his limited minutes; while the other defensive stats weren't as effusive in their praise, it's clear he retains some value at this end.

But offensively? Egads. Dampier's main job was "stay out of the way," yet he still posted one of the highest turnover ratios in basketball. His rate of 6.3 points per 40 minutes was the fifth-lowest in the league (of course, in Miami this made him the Heat's "offensive" center), and the mysterious disappearance of his offensive boards left him without a function since he has no post game or jump shot.



JUWAN HOWARD, PF (FREE AGENT -- UNRESTRICTED)
 Projection: 8.2 pts,7.9 reb, 1.4 ast per 40 min; 7.63 PER | Player card

• Limited veteran big man who shoots line-drive, double-clutching 15-footers.
• Has lost athleticism. Poor finisher at rim and subpar rebounder.
• Physical defender but can't jump, and never blocks shots. Low-mistake player.

The canary in the coal mine for the Heat's bench woes, Howard was the first sub off the bench in one of the Boston games and played regularly in the Finals even though he's 38 and hasn't been good in five years. He averaged 9.4 points per 40 minutes, had a TS% under 50, and in his specialty of midrange shooting shot 39.0 percent. Also, Synergy rated him as one of the worst defenders at his position. Other than that he was great.


JAMAAL MAGLIORE, C (FREE AGENT -- UNRESTRICTED)
 No projection | Player card

• Long-armed, slow-footed center who can barely jump. Strong post defender.
• Excellent rebounder. Little offensive value, but crashes boards and draws fouls.

Magloire played only 158 minutes, operating as a bit of a poor man's Joel Anthony in that his value at the defensive end was more than offset by his utter uselessness when Miami had the ball. While Magloire can't outjump a Pop-Tart, his size and long arms make him a very good rebounder; last season's prodigious rebound rate of 22.9 not only provided nearly all of his rare points, but gave him a defensive impact because he limited second shots.


DEXTER PITTMAN, C
 No projection | Player card

• Powerful physical force around basket. Overweight but got in better shape.
• Short for a center but long arms. Good hands. Poor foul shooter.
• Can defend post but lacks mobility. Liability in pick-and-roll defense.

A second-round project, Pittman played only 11 minutes for the Heat last season, but he played 22 games in the D-League for South Florida and put up serviceable big-guy stats. The biggest red flag was that he committed a foul every seven minutes; if he's hacking that much at that level, he's going to be a whistle magnet in the NBA. At the other end he'll draw a fair number of fouls himself because of his sheer size and strength, but he made only 54.8 percent of his freebies in the D-League.

The most notable development, however, was that Pittman got into much better shape as the year went on. He was over 300 pounds when Miami drafted him, but if he can keep the weight off he could evolve into a decent backup center.
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Even more than the focus on stats, it's the sheer attention that Hollinger pays to the NBA that wins me over.  He's a great resource for learning about role players, teams that don't get on national TV a lot, weird little statistical anomalies, etc.  I don't know that there's a mainstream basketball writer/reporter out there who obviously watches so many games.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 22, 2011, 11:17:47 PM
Lebron's analysis sounds much like my game, minus the size and ball-handling.  Also, I don't choke because I hog it until I hit the game winning shot. 
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 23, 2011, 01:06:51 AM
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Nowitzki remains among the game's most devastating offensive weapons thanks to the relatively simple concept that he generates a lot of points from relatively few possessions. It's not just that he averaged 26.9 points per 40 minutes, a fearsome stat in itself, but that he did it with such staggering efficiency. Nowitzki again had among the lowest turnover rates at his position, and his true shooting percentage of 61.7 is mind-boggling for a midrange shooter. He basically turns the game's normal percentages on their head.

I can't stress this enough: You're not supposed to shoot this many long 2s and still have good percentages. For every other player in every other league in the entire world, the long 2-pointer is the worst shot in basketball. But it's not if you're Dirk Nowitzki. He was the second best in the league at shooting from 10-23 feet last season (see chart), but the even more amazing part is in the "attempts" column -- he took nearly 10 a game. Well more than half his shots were long 2s.

:bow
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 23, 2011, 01:11:27 AM
Maybe Hollinger will release his own NBA 2011 season fanfic, complete with write ups of all 82 games of all teams, describing in the most accurate statistical detail what would have happened if games were played.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Mandark on November 23, 2011, 01:37:21 AM
You know, an idea like that actually occurred to me.  I figured it wouldn't be too hard to find the official NBA 82-game season schedule, and then to write an alternate-universe blog as if it were being played, or start a forum thread with the same intent.

All I'd need is the talent and work ethic to pull it off.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: benjipwns on November 23, 2011, 01:40:48 AM
People do that kind of thing with associations and franchises. Some of those even cover other games that happened, invent locker room and coaching drama, trade rumors, all-star balloting, etc.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Flannel Boy on November 23, 2011, 03:20:22 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 15, 2011, 09:23:34 PM
Are you implying that hockey is a sport, Mandark?  I know you're liberal and all but this is a step too far.

What are you talkin' aboot?

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Some homo.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 23, 2011, 08:48:20 PM
yo, are we getting the Hollinger bit on the Bulls? I wonder who their best player was!
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: OptimoPeach on November 26, 2011, 03:41:40 AM
Season back on lololo
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 26, 2011, 04:03:08 AM
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Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: etiolate on November 26, 2011, 04:05:08 AM
I am ready to piss on their season!
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 26, 2011, 04:24:17 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7281052/nba-owners-players-tentative-agreement

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/32302/the-winners-and-losers-of-a-new-cba
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
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Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: etiolate on November 26, 2011, 07:27:22 AM
that winners losers article is hilarious

quick summary: everyone won! WEEEEE
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: pilonv1 on November 26, 2011, 07:42:46 AM
Legit excited. Go Warriors :rock
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 26, 2011, 09:52:40 AM
I'm curious to see the final details and what got the ball rolling.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 26, 2011, 09:56:02 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 26, 2011, 09:52:40 AM
I'm curious to see the final details and what got the ball rolling.

Probably just the realization by all parties that they were all gonna lose a shit-ton of money and create increased bad will amongst their fans during a shitty economic recession.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Mandark on November 26, 2011, 10:31:46 AM
Awwwwwwwwwww yeah.  First time I've been really excited for Christmas since I was a kid.

I imagine teams doing those "get the gang back together" montages, tracking down the players all over the globe and letting them know the news in person.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 26, 2011, 10:39:01 AM
I'M SO EXCITED!

Could there be a better Christmas present than say, finding out that Kobe got fat? I just don't think so!
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 26, 2011, 11:35:50 AM
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Black Friday, true to form, was a day for deals.

With the prospect of Christmas games as the carrot and the players' antitrust lawsuit as the stick, a tentative agreement has been reached in the NBA labor dispute. If all goes according to plan, teams will be able to sign players beginning Dec. 9, and opening day will be Dec. 25.

Much work remains to be completed in what NBA deputy commissioner Adam Silver described as an "incredibly tight schedule." The tentative agreement emerged as the result of a mammoth 15-hour negotiating session Friday, the first official face-to-face meeting since the players disbanded their union and filed an antitrust suit earlier this month.

"Despite some bumps in the road, even this evening, the greater good required us to knock ourselves out and come to this tentative understanding," commissioner David Stern said.

Those bumps in the road included a "take-it-or-leave-it" offer from the league on Nov. 10, with the threat of the league's proposal resetting to where it was last June should the players decline to accept. The players responded by dissolving their union on Nov. 14 -- a precursor to shifting the venue from labor law to antitrust law -- and filing two federal lawsuits, which were later consolidated into a single suit in Minnesota.

At the time Stern declared that the NBA was headed into a "nuclear winter."

"For us the litigation is something that just has to be dealt with," Stern said. "It was not the reason for the settlement. The reason for the settlement was we've got fans, we've got players who would like to play and we've got others who are dependent on us."

Technically what transpired in a Manhattan conference room Friday were lawsuit settlement talks, and not labor negotiations. With the union disbanded, the players' association was no longer the negotiating unit for the 400-plus NBA players. Billy Hunter officially was there as one of the litigators in the Minnesota lawsuit and not as the executive director of the union, but his role was the same: to bring home a deal. This was underscored by the presence of union president Derek Fisher, who was not one of the named plaintiffs in the lawsuit.
Conspicuously absent from the room was Jeffrey Kessler, the union's outside counsel and a participant in all negotiating sessions leading up to the dissolution of the union. The pugnacious Kessler had been a thorn in Stern's side throughout the process, with the commissioner calling Kessler "the single most divisive force in our negotiations" and referring to his conduct as "routinely despicable." However, Kessler did participate in Friday's negotiations via conference call at key junctures.

Friday's tentative agreement is merely the first in a series of events that now need to occur in order for the season to start according to plan. The next step is for the negotiators to brief their own constituents. "We have a conference call set up with the Labor Relations Committee tomorrow morning," Stern said.

Hunter had a similar plan: "I haven't had a chance yet to speak to the plaintiffs in the case. I think I owe it first to them to discuss the tentative settlement with them before we disclose it to the press and public."

Assuming there are no snags, players' attorney David Boies will ask the Minnesota court to dismiss the lawsuit early next week. The league will also request the dismissal of the federal lawsuit they filed in New York earlier this year. But before the sides can officially negotiate a new collective bargaining agreement, the players will need to re-certify their union. This will require a vote, but is expected to pass -- with the players likely following the recommendation of Hunter, Fisher and the union's executive committee.

According to Gabe Feldman, director of the sports law program at Tulane University, the league will also need to recognize the reconstructed union. "That will truly be a formality," he said, adding that the union does not also need to file a petition with the National Labor Relations Board.

But before an agreement can be voted on, the two sides also will need to resolve a litany of what have come to be known as "B-List" issues, including the age limit, the rookie salary scale, player discipline and drug testing. The players presented the league with a list of these unresolved issues, totaling six pages, during a negotiating session earlier this month. Stern was careful to note that these issues still need to be resolved before the league's Board of Governors can vote on the deal. "We'll call a board vote in due course, because we want to do that at such time that our understandings are adequately represented on pieces of paper," he said.
A quick resolution of these B-List items is not necessarily a foregone conclusion. A number of these issues -- including the age limit for league eligibility -- have been contentious. "It ain't over 'til it's over," cautioned one source connected to the players' side.

Once these issues are resolved, the two sides will each vote to ratify the agreement. A "yes" vote is needed from 15 of the 29 owners (the league owns the New Orleans Hornets) and from a simple majority of the approximately 450 NBA players. "We're confident once we present it, they will support it," Hunter said. Stern said it could take three days to a week for this vote to occur.

The new collective bargaining agreement will need to be written, proofread and signed. It is only when this happens that the lockout will officially be lifted and teams will be allowed to sign players and make trades. If everything proceeds according to plan the league will officially open its doors to the players on Dec. 9.

Training camps will open the same day, with camps and signings occurring in parallel. It is also possible (although not yet confirmed) that teams will be allowed to conduct informal workouts soon after the voting is complete.

"We're optimistic that will all come to pass, and that the NBA season will begin on Christmas Day with a tripleheader," Stern said.

A number of players signed to play overseas during the lockout, and now have to book their returns to the United States. Any player under an NBA contract had to have language in his overseas contract stipulating that the contract becomes null and void when the NBA labor dispute is settled. This is true for any NBA players playing in Europe. The Chinese basketball league would not allow contracts to be signed with these out clauses, and were limited to signing players who were NBA free agents. NBA players who signed in China, such as J.R. Smith and Wilson Chandler, are not expected to return for the start of the NBA season.

Details of the new agreement have yet to emerge, partly due to the unresolved B-List issues and partly due to the sides needing to present the details to their own constituents before commenting further. The new agreement is said to include a 50-50 split of revenues, which could climb as high as 51 percent or drop as low as 49 percent should revenues exceed or fall short of projections.

The agreement is also said to include a relaxation of many of the system issues from the league's Nov. 10 proposal -- issues that led to the union's disclaimer and subsequent lawsuit. The league sought to control spending and improve competitive balance through a highly punitive luxury tax and further spending restrictions to be imposed on taxpaying teams, which the union considered unacceptable. Friday's compromise included the elimination of the smaller mid-level exception for taxpayers, the restoration of sign-and-trade and extend-and-trade transactions, and the removal of the harsher tax penalties for teams that are taxpayers four times in a five-year span.

"It's not the system we sought out to get in terms of a harder cap," Silver said, "but the luxury tax is harsher than it was in the past deal, and we hope it's effective."

With the elimination of the harsher penalties for taxpaying teams, the union hopes it is able to preserve the freedom of movement that is the lifeblood of free agency. It is over this issue that the players rejected the owners' proposal even after agreeing to a 50-50 revenue split, and the players would not have dissolved their union and filed a federal lawsuit just to accept a proposal that closely resembled the deal that was already on the table.

The players also reportedly asked for their split of the revenues to be raised to 51 percent -- with the league rejecting this proposal and nearly ending the discussions. Instead, the two sides agreed to a 49-51 banded split, with a formula that made it easier for the players' share to exceed 50 percent.

Summarizing their agreement, Silver said, "We feel ultimately it will give fans in every community hope that their teams can compete for championships, and a basis for believing their team [success] will be a function of management of the team rather than how deep the owner's pockets are or how large their market is."

Perhaps the two sides got the best anyone can hope for in an extended and contentious negotiation: a deal neither side is happy with, but one that both sides can live with.

The rest of us got a new present to unwrap on Christmas morning.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/lockout-111126/analyzing-new-nba-labor-agreement
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 26, 2011, 01:02:54 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 26, 2011, 10:31:46 AM
Awwwwwwwwwww yeah.  First time I've been really excited for Christmas since I was a kid.

I imagine teams doing those "get the gang back together" montages, tracking down the players all over the globe and letting them know the news in person.

I have a feeling it'll look morel like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6TUhx2wX0M&t=0m46s

we need a Stern emote
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Mandark on November 26, 2011, 05:44:26 PM
For me, the only small downside is that we'll miss out on NBA stars rampaging through foreign leagues.  Some more games like this (http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/7274545/new-jersey-nets-deron-williams-explodes-50-points-besiktas-win-tuesday) and I wouldn't have to listen to any Euro partisans explain how international competitions proved that the NBA isn't the gold standard any more, or how Euro-style basketball relies on a different skillset.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 26, 2011, 05:56:32 PM
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NBA owners won. Big. But the players can live with it.
Kurt Helin Nov 26, 2011, 12:04 PM EST

As the talk starts to build of all the little concessions the NBA players got in the last week to make an NBA labor deal happen in time for games on Christmas day, remember this:

The owners won.

In a massive way. This is an Attila the Hun sweeping through Eastern Europe kind of win — devastating and total.

David Stern and the owners came into these NBA labor talks saying they lost more than $300 million last season and $400 million the year before that. By getting the players to agree to what is in practice a 50/50 split of basketball related income (although the deal allows the players to get to 51 percent if revenue increases enough) the owners got the players to essentially accept a 12 percent salary cut that will cover those losses.

This will come to more than $3 billion back in the owners’ pockets if the deal lasts the full 10 years (both sides can opt out of the deal after six years). What’s more, the deal means the players will have shorter contracts with lower raises going forward. Plus, the system now ties the hands of larger market, bigger spending teams helping depress salaries that way.

The owners will tell you they didn’t get everything they wanted, some will vote against this deal. Those guys are fools — they got more than enough to balance their books. Combined with more robust revenue sharing — soon to be triple what it was — small market owners should be able to break even or turn a profit. They should be able to compete (they could before, ask San Antonio and Oklahoma City). If they can’t, well, it’s on them now. It’s not the system.

All that said, the players got enough small victories — and a couple key ones — that this is a deal they can live with.

Early in the lockout, PBT spoke with former NBA players union president Charles Grantham and he said the smartest move the union ever made, the thing they could not give up in these talks, was keeping the salary cap tied to league revenue. Early offers from the owners wanted to detach the two — players salaries would stay flat at about $2 billion a year and all of the money from expected growth in the league (such as a new national television deal coming in 2016) would go straight to the owners pockets.

The players won that fight. They will get a smaller share of that revenue, but as the league’s revenue grows player salaries will go up. Grow the game and grow how much money you make.

The other two hills the players were willing to die on were guaranteed contracts and a hard salary cap. The owners relented on those as well. Yes, the owners now have more ways to get out of bad contracts faster, and yes the new luxury tax rules make it much more costly for high-revenue teams to spend big, but the players won those fights on principle.

There were other small victories, such as getting the threshold to get to the 51 percent of revenue lowered to a makeable goal. The players got the extend-and-trade so their biggest stars can better control their exits from teams. They got a solid mid-level exception for tax paying teams.

That was enough. It needed to be enough because the players were going to start losing more money in salary than they were making back fighting over the scraps of this deal.

But this negotiation was all about the money, and the owners got a lot more of it. They won. The small market owners in particular should now be able to turn a profit. The players got a way to save face at the end but the owner won and won big.

With this caveat…

In 1999, after a lockout that lasted into January, the owners were thought to have won. They got a cap on max salaries, so that there would be no more deals like the one Kevin Garnett and Shaquille O’Neal had gotten. They got a percentage that capped players’ salaries in total at 57 percent. Everyone said the owners won, including the players.

A dozen years later, the owner were crying that the deal was unfair and killing them. You never know how things will play out. And you can bet in 10 years, when this deal formally ends, there will be owners saying what a bad deal this is for them and how it is killing them. Even if the fault is their own management.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/26/nba-owners-won-big-but-the-players-can-live-with-it/related
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 26, 2011, 06:37:21 PM
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Top 10 free agents when the lockout ends
Matt Moore Nov 26, 2011, 5:30 PM EST


On December 9th, assuming the deal is approved by both sides, players will re-enter training facilities for the first time since last spring to being working towards the NBA season. At the same time, NBA free agency for the 2011-2012 season will open, and all hell will break loose as teams scramble to sign their guys and whatever players are available. With that in mind, here are the top 10 free agents this season.

1. Nene, C, Nuggets, UFA: Nene is a veteran without being too old, a dynamic defender while having scoring ability, a tough competitor without an injury history, and a locker room leader who can also produce. The Pacers, Heat, and Nuggets are expected to vie for his services.

2. Marc Gasol, C, Grizzlies, RFA: Gasol is restricted, and every indication is that the Grizzlies plan to re-sign him. If he hits the open market he’ll attract a swath of offers. He’s the most versatile center available, with great perimeter defense, passing, low-post scoring, and basketball IQ. He’s coachable and liked by teammates, and tougher than his more gifted brother. Memphis losing him would be devastating, but OKC and New York are both expected to express interest.

3. David West, PF, Hornets, UFA: An aging former All-Star coming off knee surgery. Yikes. But West is consistent, reliable, and provides a scoring punch to any team. Indiana is expected to make a strong push for West, to pair him with Darren Collison. His strongest attribute is the mid-range jumper off the pick and pop, which shouldn’t be affected by age, but if anyone needed that decrease in contract years, it’s whoever signs West.

4. Tyson Chandler,  PF, Mavericks, UFA: World Champion defender and elite center in a league weak on them. Chandler was the difference for the Mavericks last season and his impact was what lead them to the title, in part. If the Mavericks let him get away, expect half a dozen teams to pull for him, including offers which don’t make sense given his age and injury history. But he’s still one of the biggest impact players in the class.

5. Thaddeus Young, SF, Sixers, RFA: The Sixers are unlikely to let Young out of their sights, but given their cap space, if they for some reason don’t clear Andres Nocioni off their cap via amnesty, they could be tight on funds for him. Young has become a versatile combo forward who is able to play more power forward the older he gets. He would be a premium free agent if he leaked to the market, given that he’s only 23.

6. J.R. Smith, SG, Nuggets, UFA: Assuming Smith returns from China via some shady “release” arrangement, he’s going to be the best shooting guard on the market. A sixth-man-of-the-year candidate with range and athleticism, the Bulls would very much like a crack at Smith but he may be too expensive. The Nuggets will be in a bind to re-sign him given their need to also re-sign restricted free agent Aaron Afflalo. The Knicks may also be in the market for Smith.

7. Jason Richardson, SG, Magic, UFA: This year’s likely ring-chaser. Richardson is 31 with declining athleticism and coming off a poor showing in the playoffs. But he’s a veteran who can hit from range, defend decently and contribute to a veteran squad. The mid-level playoff teams should be very interested in his services, but if he decides to take less to get the ring, he could be a game changer in this market.

8. DeAndre Jordan, C, Clippers, RFA: Jordan is the perfect partner to Griffin, able to rebound and clean up after the attention paid to the ROY. The Clippers shouldn’t let him out of the stable, but if they do there will be a fleet of suitors. He’s still raw, still young, and has added a huge amount of bulk and strength to go along with his length and athleticism. Jordan could be the steal of this class.

9. Glen Davis, PF, Celtics, UFA: Big Baby is expected to be sacrificed to the market by the Celtics in an effort to clear room both for Jeff Green and 2012. He’s a great defender who has learned a ton in Boston, but too often gets his head screwed on wrong on offense, thinking he’s a mid-range shooter like KG when he’s a pure mash-and-dash guy. He could wind up with a head-scratcher deal.

10. Jeff Green, PF, Celtics, RFA: As opposed to Green, who undoubtedly will end up with a head-scratcher deal. Green doesn’t excel in any particular area, isn’t a great shooter, rebounder, defender, scorer, passer, or glue guy. He’s athletic and young, and has the potential to do a lot of things well, and that will drive his value up and the Celtics seem intent on paying the inflated market value for him.

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Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: etiolate on November 26, 2011, 07:25:45 PM
I'm surprised Dalembert isn't on there. He's got to have more value than Glen Davis. You'll also have all the amnesty guys available. Likely Gilbert, Lewis and Hamilton.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 26, 2011, 07:48:25 PM
This J.R. Smith-in-China thing is going to have Ch1nchilla sawing at his wrists before long, bank on it :lol

If he has no null-and-void clause in his contract, he's going to have to buy himself out, or get fired. Either option would be hugely entertaining, I wager. Popcorn time.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 26, 2011, 07:53:31 PM
also, lol at Nene having 'no injury history'
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Himu on November 26, 2011, 10:49:32 PM
Finally.
Title: Re: WNBA season thread! NBA is dead to me!!
Post by: Boogie on November 26, 2011, 11:18:16 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 15, 2011, 09:21:41 PM
That's the thing about 7 game series: you only really have a chance at winning if you're legitimately good.  If an 8 seed outright sucks, all they're getting is a chance to be called "turrible" by Sir Charles on national TV.

Anyway, could be worse.  Ask any crotchety hockey fan about the NHL in the early 80's.

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16 out of 21 teams goddam
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The early 80s NHL was legendary, whatchyoo talkin' bout......

(okay, I concede the point on the proportion of teams making the playoffs.....)
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 27, 2011, 10:37:44 PM
Since nothing in the new CBA really changes anything I was interested in, I'm most excited to see Durant keep developing as a player.  He has the potential to end up being really, really special/good imo. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: CajoleJuice on November 27, 2011, 10:38:20 PM
Quote from: Boogie on November 26, 2011, 11:18:16 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 15, 2011, 09:21:41 PM
That's the thing about 7 game series: you only really have a chance at winning if you're legitimately good.  If an 8 seed outright sucks, all they're getting is a chance to be called "turrible" by Sir Charles on national TV.

Anyway, could be worse.  Ask any crotchety hockey fan about the NHL in the early 80's.

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16 out of 21 teams goddam
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The early 80s NHL was legendary, whatchyoo talkin' bout......

(okay, I concede the point on the proportion of teams making the playoffs.....)

ISLANDERSSSSSSSSSSS
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: etiolate on November 27, 2011, 11:21:54 PM
since the system wasn't really fixed isn't this just a 6 year hiatus until the next lockout?

I hope fans hold back, but I doubt that they do.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Mandark on November 27, 2011, 11:38:03 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 27, 2011, 10:37:44 PM
Since nothing in the new CBA really changes anything I was interested in, I'm most excited to see Durant keep developing as a player.  He has the potential to end up being really, really special/good imo.

Yeah, I'm really interested to see what Durant's year is like.  The two big subplots are whether he and Russell Westbrook can coexist productively and how he adjusts to being played more physically, like in the Grizzlies series where they seemed to figure him out.  He needs to either bulk up a bit, or if he feels that would hurt the rest of his game, hire Reggie Miller to teach him the art of off-the-ball movement.  Perkins could definitely be setting some nice screens for him.

Speaking of the Grizzlies and Thunder...

Chicago Bulls:

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DERRICK ROSE, PG
 Projection: 27.4 pts, 4.1 reb, 7.8 ast per 40 min; 23.4 PER | Player card

• Dynamic scoring point guard with good size and superb athleticism.
• Outstanding finisher, especially in transition. Average shooter. Excels at runners.
• Rebounds well for size. Improved defender. Killer left-to-right crossover.

The league's reigning MVP -- let's not go there again -- enjoyed a breakout campaign that showcased his shot-creating abilities and several subtle efficiency improvements. The one that drew all the attention was Rose's becoming a somewhat viable 3-point shooter, as he made 33.8 percent of his triples. That's not exactly fearsome, but it's an upgrade. He shot in the 20s his first two seasons. However, he gave that gain back on his long 2s. Rose had made 44.5 percent the previous season; last season he slumped to 39.8 percent. The biggest difference for him, efficiency-wise, was that more of his shots were 3s and fewer were long 2s, which helped due to the extra point.

Of more lasting value, perhaps, was that Rose began drawing a lot more fouls as the season went on. Despite his penetration skills he was a fairly low free throw player his first two seasons, and in the first two months of 2010-11 he showed a similar pattern with just five free throw attempts a game. Over the rest of the season he upped that average to eight, and for the season he was 12th among point guards in free throw rate.

All this was more impressive because of the sheer volume of shots Rose created. He took the highest percentage of his team's shots of anyone in the league and was second in the NBA in usage rate behind Kobe Bryant. He also helped on the boards (18th among point guards) and, while he'll never be mistaken for John Stockton, he had a decent pure point rating even with all the shots he took (28th).

Defensively, Rose showed considerable improvement in his effort level, although he still gets hung up on ball screens way too easily and doesn't get his hands on many balls (56th out of 68 point guards in steals per minute). His recovery ability helps, as he finished fifth among point guards in blocks per minute -- several of them coming after he was beat on an initial drive and then stormed back to deny the shot at the rim.

For the season Rose had the worst defensive plus-minus of any Chicago regular, but partly that's because the Bulls' subs were better defenders than the starters. His opponent PER and Synergy numbers were better; on balance, he was a middling defender last season, which is a huge improvement over where he was before.


KEITH BOGANS, SG
 Projection: 8.9 pts, 4.3 reb, 2.6 ast per 40 min; 7.91 PER | Player card

• Role-playing wing who defends, shoots open 3s, and does little else.
• Tough, focused defender. Short arms but strong and competes. Bad rebounder.
• Very limited offensively. Good handle for size but no burst. Poor finisher.

Despite his modest individual stats, Bogans rather surprisingly ended up as a full-time starter on a 62-win team, not to mention the go-to closing line for Derrick Rose's MVP supporters ("They start Keith Bogans!"). He was 63rd among shooting guards in PER and averaged just 9.8 points per 40 minutes, but he did the two things Chicago needed: He was fairly efficient and played good defense.

Bogans shot 3s almost exclusively -- 77 percent of his shots were triples, the most among shooting guards -- and made a respectable 38 percent. Among shooting guards he was 19th in TS% and ninth in pure point rating, so at least the rare possessions he used were effective.

Still, offensively he was a burden. Bogans can't create shots at all, can't finish and doesn't rebound, and that's why he was never on the floor at the end of games. Defensively, he was solid but hardly spectacular. The Bulls played better when he was off the court, although in general Chicago's subs at the other four spots were better defenders than the starters. But also, his Synergy and opponent PER numbers were ordinary. Subjectively he was better than those numbers, but his biggest asset as a player was that he knew exactly what his strengths and limitations were and never, ever, EVER went beyond those boundaries.


LUOL DENG, SF
 Projection: 17.8 pts, 6.2 reb, 2.8 ast per 40 min; 15.70 PER | Player card

• Big, long wing who can shoot over the top of defenders. Good athlete.
• Likes to go right off one dribble for jumper. Not a creative offensive player.
• Excellent defender due to size, mobility and effort. Average shooter.

A not-quite-All-Star who has quietly become one of the game's best two-way wings, Deng earned new appreciation during the Bulls' renaissance last season. While his basic stock in trade offensively is providing a lot of middling efficiency shot attempts, he's above average in a few subtle areas. First, he draws a lot of fouls for a jump shooter; second, he cut his turnovers last season and took more 3s. The 3-pointer didn't offer dramatic help -- he made only 34.5 percent -- but with the extra point that's still better than the 40.4 percent he shot on 2s beyond 16 feet. Finally, Deng is a good short-range shooter on runners and pull-ups; he made 44.4 percent between 3 and 15 feet.

His limitation is a lack of offensive creativity. Deng doesn't offer a lot of deception or variety; most of the time, he's taking a hard dribble right and shooting over the top of his defender. It's an effective way to create shots, but those shots aren't of the highest quality.

Deng's rebound rate dropped dramatically last season for reasons that aren't entirely clear, but defensively he may have had his best season as a pro. His on-court versus off-court and Synergy ratings were some of the best in the league, while opposing small forwards mustered just an 11.3 PER against him according to 82games.com. The Bulls' team concept and quality bigs helped, but Deng's size, mobility and effort all were major advantages.


CARLOS BOOZER, PF
 Projection: 20.3 pts, 11.9 reb, 3.4 ast per 40 min; 17.15 PER | Player card

• Bruising, high-scoring forward who is best weak-hand finisher in game.
• Shoots high-arcing midrange jumper to 18 feet. Can score in post. Injury-prone.
• Excellent rebounder but a subpar defender. Lacks both length and intensity.

The most interesting statistical morsel from Boozer's season is that defensively, he had much better results as a center than a power forward. Boozer played a lot of minutes alongside Taj Gibson in the frontcourt, especially when Joakim Noah was out, and surrendered a 14.2 opponent PER, according to 82games.com; as a power forward, that figure was a more problematic 17.6.

In fact, the defensive dominance of Chicago's other big men served to underscore all of Boozer's deficiencies at that end. He was 64th out of 70 power forwards in blocks per minute, had by far the worst Synergy stats of any Chicago frontcourt player, and according to basketballvalue.com the team gave up 6.36 points per 100 possessions more with him on the court. Subjectively, it was just as bad -- Boozer doesn't rotate well, doesn't bring a lot of energy, and is fairly short-armed. The one thing he does extremely well is rebound, where he was fifth among power forwards in defensive rebound rate.

Offensively, however, he more than offsets the defensive shortcomings -- even during a down season in 2010-11. Boozer's midrange J didn't find the net as often as in previous seasons (39.4 percent from beyond 10 feet) -- he'd made 45.5 percent of his long 2s over the previous two seasons -- but he was eighth among power forwards in points per minute with a solid TS%. He took more shots for the offense-deprived Bulls than he had in Utah and made fewer, but his percentages should bounce back next season on the jumpers. And at the rim he's still very solid, with an amazing left hand for a right-handed player.

Boozer's other issue is all the injuries. Last season he missed 23 games due to a broken hand, the fourth time in seven seasons he's played fewer than 60 games. His lack of durability and toothless defense have made him a scapegoat in both Utah and Chicago, but even with those shortcomings he's one of the most productive 4s in basketball.


JOAKIM NOAH, C
 Projection: 13.5 pts, 12.8 reb, 2.9 ast per 40 min; 17.87 PER | Player card

• Energetic, hustling center who crashes boards, runs floor and defends.
• Strong help defender and great teammate. Emphatic finisher around basket.
• Poor shooter with side-spinning delivery. Good passer and ball handler.

Although Noah missed 34 games due to injury, he continued his steady development into one of the game's best centers. Noah couldn't maintain the prodigious rebound rate of a season earlier, but still ranked 10th among centers in that category. Meanwhile, he doubled his rate of steals and improved his shooting percentage; moreover, despite his awkward shooting stroke he's a solid free throw shooter and gets to the line regularly.

Defensively, Noah strives so much to help teammates that it sometimes leaves his own man free. He had the second-best Synergy rating of any center -- only Dwight Howard outrated him -- which is indicative of how active he was in pick-and-roll defense and switches. However, 82games.com tells us opposing centers posted an 18.2 PER against him.

The most underrated part of Noah's game, however, is his lack of weaknesses -- he ranked in the top 36 centers in every statistical category. While he's not much of a shooter, few centers are, and as I mentioned he makes his freebies. In terms of intangibles he's strong as well -- a hustling, high-energy player who is well-regarded in the locker room.



RESERVES

TAJ GIBSON, F
 Projection: 12.9 pts, 10.4 reb, 1.4 ast per 40 min; 14.13 PER | Player card

• Athletic, lean forward who can finish around basket and run floor.
• Excellent defensive player who can block shots, help guards and rebound.
• Limited offensive player. Lacks great feel and a mediocre shooter.

One of the most underrated factors in Chicago's renaissance last season was the monstrous combination of Gibson and Omer Asik off the Chicago bench. When those two played, the opposing team didn't score; according to basketballvalue.com, the three most frequent lineup pairings with those two held opponents to a paltry 88.0 points per 100 possessions. One can easily argue Gibson was the more impressive of the two; Gibson had the best Synergy rating of any power forward and ranked third among power forwards in blocks per minute. He's also very solid on the boards, ranking 16th at his position in rebound rate.

Offensively, he remains raw. Gibson was well below par in all the main offensive metrics, with a 50.2 TS% being particularly poor. While he can finish at the rim he doesn't have great offensive instincts, and he shot only 35.2 percent from beyond 10 feet -- and he had more shots from there than at the rim. Gibson's poor free throw shooting is another vexing factor; he's shot 67.6 percent and 64.6 percent in his two pro seasons.

Gibson is entering only his third season, but he's already 26 years old so he's not likely to progress much further from this point. Barring the periodic spectacular dunk, he'll probably be something of an offensive liability his whole career. But defensively he's way ahead of the curve, and his rare combination of shot-blocking, mobility, strength and rebounding will keep him in the league for a decade.


KYLE KORVER, SG
 Projection: 15 pts, 4 reb, 3.1 ast per 40 min; 12.00 PER | Player card

• Long-range shooting wing with good size. Good shooter off curls.
• Struggles in one-on-one defense but solid overall. Strong and has fast hands.
• Won't create own shot but can post up small wings. Good court vision.

Korver got a lot more scoring opportunities in Chicago than in Utah, as the Bulls were so desperate for offense from their second unit that they'd often run him off multiple screens as the first option. Additionally, his spot-up shooting threat provided a floor-spacing component none of his teammates offered, which is why he usually finished games for Chicago even though he didn't start them.

That intro explains a lot about Korver's statistical changes last season -- scoring and usage up, percentages down. He's still a devastating shooter, but was "only" 14th at his position in TS% last season because so many of his shots were high-difficulty releases. Nonetheless, he shot 45.7 percent from 16 to 23 feet and 41.5 percent on 3s; what really hurt Korver was how rare his layups were. Korver had only 27 shots inside 10 feet the entire season; in a related story, he virtually never went to the line either. He had 87 free throw attempts in 82 games, and many were of the "unearned" variety on illegal defenses or technical fouls.

Korver rarely penetrates, but he's a deft passer and often came off screens firing to an open man when the defense overreacted. For the season he was sixth among small forwards in pure point rating, an impressive accomplishment for a player who rarely probed off the dribble.

Less impressive were his rebounding numbers. Korver is 6-7 and strong, so ranking second to last among small forwards in rebound rate was pretty pathetic; he shattered his career low in the category. As for his defense, Korver's stats were padded by the great defenders around him on the Bulls' second unit, but he's not bad himself. Putting him one-on-one on LeBron James isn't advisable, and his lateral movement is a weakness, but he's strong, smart and a good team defender with surprisingly fast hands.


OMER ASIK, C
 Projection: 10.0 pts, 11.8 reb, 2.5 ast per 40 min; 12 PER | Player card

• Mobile big man with great defensive awareness and shot-blocking skill.
• Mistake-prone offensive player. Brings ball down around basket. Can finish.
• Outstanding pick-and-roll defender. Limited post game and ball skills.

The Chef Linguini lookalike quickly became one of my favorite players to watch last season because of his vastly underrated defensive prowess. Asik fouled too much (once every 6.5 minutes) and seemingly committed a defensive three-second violation every game, but he blocked shots, crashed the boards (15th among centers in rebound rate) and, more than anything, stymied countless opponent forays with his length and unusually sharp defensive awareness for a rookie.

The combination of Asik and Taj Gibson, in particular, proved stifling; the Bulls gave up 9.7 fewer points per 100 possessions with Asik on the court, according to basketballvalue.com, while 82games.com tells us opposing centers had just a 12.3 PER against him.

Offensively, Asik can best be described as "mistake-prone." Only two centers had a worse turnover ratio thanks to his jittery hands and hazy understanding of what constitutes a legal screen. While he led the NBA in free throw attempts per field goal attempt at 1.03 (see Chris Andersen comment), that was mostly a conscious choice by opponents since he made only 50.4 percent from the line. Additionally, many times he was slow to gather and go up after receiving a pass at the rim, giving opponents time to hack him and prevent a dunk.

Another stat shows more clearly that he kept getting his shot blocked because he wasn't going up quickly enough. Asik is a good leaper and threw down some impressive dunks, but it took him an eternity to wind up. As a result, only Toronto's Reggie Evans had more of his shots sent back (see chart).

Highest percentage of own shots blocked, 2010-11
Player   Team   Pct. Blocked
Reggie Evans   Tor   20.4
Omer Asik   Chi   19.1
Zaza Pachulia   Atl   19.0
Chuck Hayes   Hou   15.6
Ryan Hollins   Cle   14.2
Source: Hoopdata.com. Min. 20 shots blocked

RONNIE BREWER, SG
 Projection: 15 pts, 4.4 reb, 2.5 ast per 40 min; 11.4 PER | Player card

• Long-armed wing who gets hands on lots of balls. Disruptive defender.
• Good cutter off ball, especially along baselines. Good finisher at basket.
• Poor shooter with terrible form. Quality ball handler for size. Rebounds well.

One of the many surprises in Chicago's breakout 2010-11 season was Brewer morphing into a defensive ace after he'd struggled mightily in the same role in Utah. Coming off the Chicago bench, he didn't have to check as many A-list scorers as he'd done with the Jazz, but his impact was palpable. Quick and long-armed, Brewer was a constant pest who ranked third among shooting guards in steals per minute, and amazingly did it with the third-lowest foul rate. Synergy rated him second among 2s and opponents had a 12.7 PER against him according to 82games.com; like most of the Bulls' subs he also had an outstanding defensive plus-minus.

As a side benefit, Brewer crashed the boards. He ranked ninth among shooting guards in rebound rate, far exceeding his output in the previous four seasons. In retrospect, it's surprising he'd never rebounded well before, as he's tall for a 2 and athletic.

Offensively, Brewer's inability to shoot continues to hamper him. He made only six 3-pointers all season and shot just 36.3 percent on 2-pointers beyond 10 feet; his form makes the reason for his struggles obvious, with his elbow flying out to the side while he pushes the ball out from under his chin. Although Brewer handles the ball well for his size and ranked ninth among shooting guards in pure point rating, he averaged only 11.2 points per 40 minutes because of his anemic jumper. Brewer is an exceptionally good cutter off the ball and can finish chances around the basket, although one wishes he wouldn't shy away from contact so much. However, that was of far greater value in Utah's motion offense than in Chicago's more iso-heavy attack.

That inability to space the floor is why he usually didn't finish games, instead using his defense and energy to overwhelm opposing second units. As good as he was defensively, that's probably his upper limit unless he gets more jumpers to fall.


C.J. WATSON, PG
 Projection: 14.7 pts, 3.5 reb, 6.1 ast per 40 min; 12.89 PER | Player card

• Adequate backup point guard with scorer's mindset. Can create shots.
• Can pressure ball and has fast hands, but struggles in half-court defense.
• Improving distributor but not an instinctive one. Subpar finisher.

Watson had to play a greater offensive role with Chicago's defensive-minded second unit than he'd done in Golden State, and it crushed his percentages. While his usage rate shot up, he made only 37.1 percent from the floor and had by far his worst TS%; overall the decline was so sharp that his scoring rate didn't improve at all despite the uptick in shots. Watson's main salvation was that he improved as a distributor, averaging a solid 6.8 assists per 40 minutes.

Watson was also unusually bad on short-range shots. He shot 34 percent inside 15 feet, and because he had to force the action at the end of the shot clock fairly often he shot only 33.7 percent on long 2s. He actually had a decent season with the long ball (39.3 percent on 3-pointers), but making just a third of his 2-point shots isn't acceptable.

Defensively, Watson had very strong on-court versus off-court numbers, as did the entire Bulls second unit. He wasn't the major engine behind that performance, however; he was just along for the ride. His individual defensive stats support that conclusion, with average Synergy numbers and a good but not great opponent PER according to 82games.com; again, one that came with Omer Asik and Taj Gibson having his back.

Subjective observation supports that conclusion; Watson was better than he'd been in Golden State, but mostly succeeded by trying to pressure the ball and cause havoc (he was sixth among point guards in steals per minute) and otherwise letting the Bulls' strong team concept work for him when he was beaten.


KURT THOMAS, C (FREE AGENT -- UNRESTRICTED)
 Projection: 6 pts, 9.6 reb, 1.7 ast per 40 min; 9.09 PER | Player card

• Cagey, tough veteran who competes as undersized center. Low-mistake player.
• Can make open 18-footer but has no offensive game otherwise. Slow.
• Looked heavy and not a leaper, but strong and an excellent team defender.

In a stranger-than-fiction tale, the 38-year-old Thomas started 37 games for a 62-win team. In doing so he became this season's Juwan Howard -- a faded vet whose play as an emergency starter became a big deal because the expectations were so low. Thomas finished with a single-digit PER and averaged just 7.2 points per 40 minutes, but his solid defense made him a serviceable stopgap while Joakim Noah was injured. While opposing centers posted decent numbers against him, Thomas was a very effective team defender and the Bulls defended just as well with him on the court as with their other centers -- not too shabby when the other centers are Joakim Noah and Omer Asik.

Thomas helped space the floor by shooting 46 percent on long 2s; he also rarely turned the ball over and never took bad shots. That said, offensively, he was basically a nonfactor, scoring double figures twice all season. His main function was to stay out of the paint so Derrick Rose would have driving lanes. For a center his paint points were shockingly scarce; he scored 23 times at the basket the entire season, and only two centers drew fouls less frequently.


JANNERO PARGO, PG
 No projection | Player card

• Small, quick, shoot-first guard with no court vision. Can't play point.
• Has hard time matching up defensively; needs point guard to defend the 2.
• Creates shots, but shoots nearly all jumpers. Middling 3-point shooter.

Pargo missed most of last season after having knee surgery; he was on the Bulls' roster for the final three weeks of the season and the playoffs, but didn't play in any games. He can be useful if a team is desperate enough for shot creating that it doesn't really care so much about the accuracy of said shots, especially if there's a big point guard on the court with him to cover the opposing 2. In most cases, however, he's a pretty marginal player.


JIMMY BUTLER, G
 No projection | Player card

• Big, overachieving wing who can play tough defense. Smart, great attitude.
• Middling outside shooter and not a great athlete. May struggle to score.
• Solid rebounder. Drew fouls in college. Amazing backstory.

Butler's life story is fascinating -- think "The Blind Side," but for basketball -- as our Chad Ford detailed this spring. His career may be less so. A good defender who will probably be confined to a spot-up shooting role as a pro, Butler shapes up as a modern-day version of his namesake Rasual Butler. He can rebound and appears to have a decent feel for scoring around the bucket, so perhaps he'll surpass that projection; either way, he may have a long career simply because coaches love having guys like this around.


RASUAL BUTLER, SG (FREE AGENT -- UNRESTRICTED)
 No projection | Player card

• Tall spot-up shooter who does virtually nothing else offensively.
• Only average accuracy but a low-mistake player. Bad rebounder.
• Length an asset on defense, but a subpar athlete. A 12th man.

Butler suffered through a miserable half season with the Clippers before they cut him, and at 32 his career is in jeopardy. He hardly played for the Bulls after they picked him up, and finished the season with a 32.3 percent shooting mark -- one that was just as bad on 2s as 3s. It was a broad-based awfulness, too, as Butler ranked in the bottom 10 small forwards in 11 different categories -- shooting percentage, free throw percentage, points per minute, TS%, PER, assist ratio, defensive rebound rate, offensive rebound rate, total rebound rate, free throw rate, and steals.

Surprisingly for a strict catch-and-shoot player, his turnover ratio wasn't even that good. Overall, his PER was the second worst among small forwards. Defensively, Butler can still function because he's long and knows what he's doing, but between the anemic offense and the lack of rebounding it's becoming increasingly difficult to justify keeping him on a roster.


BRIAN SCALABRINE, PF (FREE AGENT -- UNRESTRICTED)
 No projection | Player card

• Slow-footed combo forward with extremely limited offensive game.
• Can't create own shot or rebound. Average perimeter shooter at best.
• Good team defender. Has strength to defend 4s. Won't take a bad shot.

Scalabrine played only 88 minutes all season, only 11 of which came after Christmas. An end-of-the-end-of-the-bench player kept around for his character and familiarity with Tom Thibodeau's system, Scalabrine did nothing in his limited chances last season that was any different from the previous six, once again finishing with a PER below 8, a low scoring rate and an embarrassing rebound rate for a 6-9 forward.


JOHN LUCAS, PG
 No projection | Player card

• Small, quick point guard with good outside shot. Lacks great court vision.
• Size a major impediment on defense. Decent athlete but not a great one.

Lucas played just 10 minutes for the Bulls after signing late in the season. He hasn't seen significant action in a North American league since the 2008-09 D-League campaign, in which he posted decent enough numbers; he's shot 43.7 percent on 3s in his D-League career.

Unfortunately he's a 5-11, 165-pound point guard, which means he has to be a ridiculous athlete to compete at the NBA level. Lucas is merely a very good one. Additionally, his assist rates throughout his career have been disappointingly low, as his instincts are more as a scorer. As a result, he's a 10-day fringe player.


NIKOLA MIROTIC, F
 No projection | Player card

• Tall, highly skilled wing who can handle, shoot and pass. Good feel for game.
• B athlete who may struggle to finish and defend. Could play 4 as body fills out.

Mirotic was an excellent "stash" pick by the Bulls, as he's one of the most talented young players in Europe. He's 6-10 and he has the ball skills of a much small player. He has a good feel for the game, too. His translated European stats show he'd be a decent rotation player right now, and he's young enough to still improve significantly. However, he may not be coming over for a while. He has a long contract with a big buyout in Spain, so it could be as long as five years before he's in uniform.
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Oklahoma City Thunder:

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RUSSELL WESTBROOK, PG
 Projection: 26.1 pts, 5.2 reb, 9.5 ast per 40 min; 24.60 PER | Player card

• Freakishly athletic shoot-first guard with great burst to basket. Penetrates at will.
• Shaky outside shooter. Rarely goes left. Decisions, in-between game need work.
• Could be excellent defender, but effort has slackened. Great offensive rebounder.

The regular season highlighted all the progress that Westbrook has made in turning from a wild, turnover-prone rookie into an All-Star point guard at just 22. The postseason showcased all the work that remains: Westbrook shot 39.4 percent in the playoffs while taking a staggering 20.2 field goal attempts per game; in playoff usage rate he was second only to Chicago's Derrick Rose, and Rose didn't play with a two-time scoring champ.

While Westbrook is a magnet for criticism and Rose appears immune, their games are actually quite similar. Westbrook makes more turnovers but earns them back with more rebounds. In terms of shooting and passing they're extremely similar. In fact, Westbrook's PER (23.63) and Rose's (23.62) couldn't be closer.

The difference is that, aesthetically, Westbrook leaves a lot more to be desired. The end result may be the same, but Westbrook's mistakes are more visibly frustrating -- his shot selection is questionable, he has no in-between game (he was the third-worst shooter in the league from 3 to 9 feet, at just 26.6 percent), and his game comes across as more selfish. If he fixes these shortcomings he's first-team all-world, but last May was pretty rough on the eyes.

Defensively, Westbrook also needs to recommit. Based on his physical skills, he should be awesome. He's plainly not. While Westbrook won't be overpowered by anyone and ranked fourth at his position in steals per minute, his effort needs to be more consistent. Additionally, he's so focused on crashing the boards (first among point guards in offensive rebound rate, second in overall rebound rate) that at times he leaves the backcourt exposed for easy run-outs.


THABO SEFOLOSHA, SG
 Projection: 8.0 pts, 7.1 reb, 2.3 ast per 40 min; 10.00 PER | Player card

• Strong wing defender with good size and lateral movement. Very good rebounder.
• Handles ball well for size but has poor offensive instincts. Turnover-prone.
• Effective in open court but a mediocre outside shooter. Struggles in spot-up game.

Sefolosha's defensive chops are well-earned; he's not quite in the elite category, but he's very good. Statistically, the Thunder played better when he was on the court, and all the sources one can use -- Synergy, 82games.com, adjusted plus-minus, and good ol' subjective evaluation -- point to him as a positive force. He ranked seventh at his position in both blocks and steals per minute and had the fourth-best rebound rate among shooting guards. His lone negative was a fairly high foul rate.

The most interesting nugget lies in his 82games.com numbers, however. Sefolosha did well defending shooting guards, holding them to a 13.2 PER, but was amazing against small forwards -- just a 10.7 mark. He's had similar differentials his entire Thunder career, leading one to wonder if he'd be more effective playing small forward full-time. Obviously that won't happen in Oklahoma City, but it's food for thought if he ever changes teams.

The other reason to chew on that idea is because offensively, well, he's not good. The Thunder were a shocking 20.2 points per 100 possessions worse with Sefolosha on the floor, even though nearly all his minutes were played with Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook on the court. The issue here is that Sefolosha magnifies weaknesses already present up and down the starting five -- he's not a good shooter, he's a sloppy ball handler and he doesn't move well without the ball.

With a different team or a different role it wouldn't be such a problem; in a backcourt with Russell Westbrook, it's fairly glaring. Sefolosha was dead last among shooting guards in both scoring (7.8 points per 40 minutes) and usage rate; he shot 27.5 percent on 3s; and he didn't make up for lack of quantity with quality, as even his career-high TS% barely beat the league average for the position.


KEVIN DURANT, SF
 Projection: 29.3 pts, 7.7 reb, 2.9 ast per 40 min; 24.74 PER | Player card

• Tall, long-armed scoring prodigy with unblockable release. Deadly in transition.
• Great foul shooter. Lacks strength. Struggles to get open against physical D.
• Good handle but must improve passing. Length an asset on defense and boards.

It's really amazing that a player could lead the league in scoring while being so terrible at getting open, and one shudders to think what Durant might accomplish if he ever gets good at it. While Durant won another scoring title last season, his usage rate declined -- partly because teams realized that physical defense off the ball makes it a real challenge for the wiry Durant to receive the ball.

Once he catches it, though, you're pretty much cooked. Durant isn't just a volume scorer, he's efficient too, with a scintillating 58.9 TS%. In particular, Durant scores virtually every time when he can push the ball up in transition -- there's just no way to stop a fast 6-10 guy who can shoot, handle and finish once he has a head of steam. Partly as a result, Durant shot a ridiculous 77.2 percent at the rim, the second-best mark in the league among players with at least 100 attempts (see Tayshaun Prince comment).

He also hit over 40 percent from all three ranges between the rim and the 3-point line, and had one of the best free throw rates at his position at 0.44 per field goal attempt. His TS% may rise, as he had an off season on 3s last season, hitting 35 percent.

The one weakness for Durant is his court vision. He was only 55th among the league's 67 small forwards in assist rate; improving in that area might deflect some of the attention he's now given and make him even more effective.

Defensively, Durant is pretty solid. He can play a low-risk style and rely on his length to contest shots, meaning he virtually never fouls, and he was eighth among small forwards in defensive rebound rate. While he's rarely asked to guard elite wings, his Synergy and adjusted plus-minus the past two seasons are very solid.


SERGE IBAKA, PF
 Projection: 16.3 pts, 12.0 reb, 0.5 ast per 40 min; 18.28 PER | Player card

• Athletic, long-armed, shot-blocking ace still learning fundamentals.
• Good outside shooter and excellent finisher at rim. Very good rebounder.
• Very poor instincts for passing and dribbling. Still a work in progress.

Ibaka's rapid evolution into a star continued last season, as he filled out physically, hit 40.5 percent of his shots beyond 10 feet, and led the NBA in blocks per minute (see chart) ... and yet somehow spent two-thirds of the season backing up the thoroughly mediocre Jeff Green.

Most blocks per 40 minutes, 2010-11
Player   Team   Bk/40 min
Serge Ibaka   OKC   3.57
JaVale McGee   Was   3.52
Ekpe Udoh   GS   3.34
Darko Milicic   Min   3.32
Larry Sanders   Mil   3.30
Min. 500 minutes
Green's trade allowed for Ibaka's long-overdue promotion to the starting five, where he seems likely to be a fixture for the next decade despite his raw offensive game. While Ibaka is very good at midrange catch-and-shoot situations and will finish dunks at the rim (he shot 73.6 percent in the basket area), anything that involves creating on his own or reading a defense casts a harsh light on his inexperience. He has 32 total assists in his two-year NBA career, and his pathetic 2.8 assist rate in 2010-11 was the worst among power forwards and the second-worst in the entire league (see Robin Lopez comment). His rawness also explains why he's not an offensive threat from the post, and why he averaged a modest 14.6 points per 40 minutes last season.

Additionally, some of the more subtle aspects of defense remain lost on Ibaka -- he's a great athlete and plays hard, but will get caught out of position or overpursue plays. Dirk Nowitzki's immolation of Ibaka in Game 1 of the Western Conference finals was the most prominent example, but as with all aspects of his game the fundamentals are still coming around. So despite his shot-blocking and rebounding, opposing big men could score on him -- according to 82games.com, he allowed a 17.1 PER to opposing power forwards, and 21.6 to opposing centers.

Ibaka is a very good rebounder, however, and getting better as the skinny frame he brought to the league three years ago evolves into something sturdier. Given that he's only 22, had virtually no high-level game experience when he arrived, and is already among the top third of players at his position, an All-Star Game seems possible in his future.


KENDRICK PERKINS, C
 Projection: 9.6 pts, 12.1 reb, 1.4 ast per 40 min; 10.04 PER | Player card

• Tough-as-nails post defender who likes physical play. Very strong.
• Plodding low-post game. Lacks elevation and takes forever to gather and go up.
• Sets bone-jarring screens but prone to offensive fouls. Loses cool with refs.

Perkins played on a still-mending knee for the second half of the season, and his numbers bore the brunt of his willingness to play through pain. His scoring rate dropped to a measly 9.4 per 40 minutes, and his always-high turnover rate went up even higher to an indefensible 23.0, the second-worst mark in basketball last season (see chart).

Worst Turnover Rate, 2010-11
Player   Team   TO Rate
Joel Przybilla   Por-Cha   29.6
Kendrick Perkins   Bos-OKC   23.0
Omer Asik   Chi   21.3
Nikola Pekovic   Min   21.1
Joey Dorsey   Tor   20.1
Min. 500 minutes
Perkins' post-up efforts in the playoffs were near comic given his missing explosiveness. Never the most graceful of interior players, he was so floor-bound that his normally high-percentage short-range shooting became a much shakier proposition.

Fundamentally, one way Perkins could improve is by learning to go up off one foot. Any time he gets a rebound or close-in catch he brings the ball down, stops to gather himself, and then goes up off two feet in a power jump. This gives defenders plenty of time to react and catch up, and the ball often gets either knocked away before he can elevate or blocked by a recovering big man.

Otherwise, the Thunder are mainly depending on his knee continuing to recuperate. Even on one leg, his defensive numbers after the trade were very solid, so there's little doubt he can provide the bulldog post defender they needed. The only question is whether he can recover enough of his preinjury offensive game to remain a viable starter.



KEY RESERVES

JAMES HARDEN, G
 Projection: 19.7 pts, 5.1 reb, 3.4 ast per 40 min; 16.75 PER | Player card

• Skilled left-hander who excels at pick-and-roll game. Draws lots of fouls.
• Left-dominant. Sees court well but turnover-prone. Good set shooter from 3.
• Improving defender who rebounds well. Good hands, but fouls too much.

Despite all the other talent on the OKC roster, at times you feel like Harden is the only guy on the team who actually knows how to play offense. Westbrook and Ibaka dominate solely on sheer athleticism, and while Durant is a scoring savant it's painful watching him try to get open or create for others. Harden, while less overwhelming talentwise, is much easier to appreciate -- a poor man's Manu Ginobili who generates offense for both himself and others off of actual basketball plays.

Harden's biggest skill is his ability to draw fouls on his drives, nearly all of which are on pick-and-rolls on the left side of the court. He ranked second among shooting guards in free throw attempts per field goal attempt, shot 84.3 percent at the line and had one of the highest 3-point rates at his position. So pay no mind to that low shooting percentage; Harden was sixth among shooting guards in TS% thanks to the third-best secondary percentage at his position. He likely will get better, too -- despite a good-looking stroke he made only 34.5 percent of his 3s in 2010-11.

Harden's post-trade numbers last season are particularly promising. After Jeff Green was shipped out and Harden became the third option, the Thunder guard averaged better than 22 points per 40 minutes and nearly five free throw attempts per game.

At just 22, he appears to be a rising star. One bugaboo left is his foul rate; while Harden's activity results in a high rate of steals, only five shooting guards fouled more frequently -- making it harder for him to play big minutes. Most notably, his wholly unnecessary sixth foul in Game 4 of the conference finals was the catalyst in the Thunder's shocking fourth-quarter collapse.


NICK COLLISON, PF
 Projection: 9.4 pts, 8.7 reb, 1.6 ast per 40 min; 11.60 PER | Player card

• Plus-minus superstar who is among game's most underrated frontcourt defenders.
• Excels at taking charges, helping guards. B-level athlete. Undersized for the 5.
• Decent midrange shooter but rarely shoots. Will crash offensive boards.

Collison's plus-minus numbers defy explanation -- the list of the top players in adjusted plus-minus over the past few years is essentially a bunch of superstars and Nick Collison. According to this site, using the more advanced "regularized" adjusted plus-minus, Collison was fourth in the NBA last season at plus-5.0 points per 100 possession; of the top dozen players, he was the only one who hasn't been to at least one All-Star Game. He was 13th in 2010, so it's no fluke. In fact, according to basketballvalue.com over the two-year period, his plus-8.11 raw adjusted plus-minus ranks fifth in the league.

That doesn't make his game wartless. For one, his high foul rate makes it difficult to play him extended minutes. Moreover, Collison's offensive productivity took a worrying turn south last season. He scored only 8.6 points per 40 minutes, and while he at least contributed a high shooting percentage, his rates of rebounds and blocks also declined.

But he's still an ace defender, especially in help situations. In particular, Collison has become a master at taking charges over the past two seasons. While he's a bit of a tweener between 4 and 5, he makes up for it with preparation and good quickness for his size, and as a result is one of the most effective defenders in the game.


ERIC MAYNOR, PG
 Projection: 11.9 pts, 4.0 reb, 7.9 ast per 40 min; 12.48 PER | Player card

• Steady PG with pass-first mindset. Good handle and size but B-grade athlete.
• Average outside shot, and struggles to get to rim. Must improve floater.
• Decent position defender. Has thin frame but moves well and competes.

Maynor certainly has the résumé to play the point: He was 10th in pure point rating and eighth in assist rate last season, with a special knack for throwing lobs. Unfortunately, he's going to be a career backup unless he starts scoring more effectively. Maynor averaged a meek 11.6 points per 40 minutes, and did it with one of the worst true shooting percentages at his position.

Maynor wasn't awful in any one category, but he struggled to generate shots at the rim because of his lack of explosiveness. He has tried to compensate by shooting floaters but didn't shoot them particularly well, and he doesn't draw fouls. He needs to either improve his 3-point shot or juice up his in-the-paint game to be a real offensive force. He'll stay in the league for a dozen years because of his steadiness at the point, but he might not ever be a starter.


NAZR MOHAMMED, C
 Projection: 14.9 pts, 11.2 reb, 0.8 ast per 40 min; 14.72 PER | Player card

• Clever big man with knack for below-rim rebounding and short-range scoring.
• Mediocre mobility, limited leaping ability. Struggles in one-on-one defense.
• Ugly behind-head jumper with 12-foot range. Never passes. Bad hands.

Probably the best player in history with a first name ending in "zr," Mohammed is a sneakily effective scorer thanks to his offensive rebounding acumen. He ranked eighth among centers in offensive rebound rate, helping him score 16.7 points per 40 minutes -- big numbers for a center. He'd average even more if he could catch everything that came his way, but once a game a pass will fall harmlessly off his mitts and out of bounds. Off the catch, his mindset is strictly about scoring; Mohammed virtually never passes, as his assist ratio was the second worst among centers and the third worst in all of basketball.

Mohammed is a solid team defender and will rebound, but he can't be asked to guard good scorers. Even average players turn into stars against him -- opposing centers had a 23.1 PER against Mohammed in Oklahoma City and a 20.7 in Charlotte, according to 82games.com.

Between that and a high foul rate (one every 6.9 minutes), it's tough to give Mohammed extended burn. But few backup centers provide such an offensive boost, helping him retain value into his 30s despite limited athleticism.


DAEQUAN COOK, SG (FREE AGENT -- RESTRICTED)
 Projection: 15.7 pts, 5.0 reb, 1.7 ast per 40 min; 11.92 PER | Player card

• Jump-shooting wing with strong catch-and-shoot game. Elevates well on jumper.
• Quality athlete, but a weak ball handler. Never ever ever goes to the basket.
• Solid, unspectacular defender but a bit undersized for the 3. Not a rebounder.

Cook shot horribly on 2s in his three seasons in Miami, so the Thunder had a novel solution: removing the 2s from his arsenal entirely. This is exactly what Jason Kapono should have done about half a decade ago, and you could see the benefits for Cook -- for the first time in his career, he was a useful rotation player.

Cook did what was asked of him, hitting 42.2 percent of his 3s and providing a much-needed floor-spacing component, but his shot chart was fairly amazing to behold. He took five shots at the rim the entire season. Five. All but nine of his 172 shots were outside 15 feet, and nearly all of those were 3-pointers -- only two players had a higher proportion of their shots from beyond the arc (see James Posey comment), and they were 30-somethings with careers on their last legs, not a 24-year-old.

Cook's catch-and-shoot focus yielded the highest TS% among small forwards and a low turnover rate, and he made enough shots that he averaged a solid 16.0 points per 40 minutes. None of this makes him a star, but it does make him a lot more useful than when he was taking half his shots inside the arc -- and shooting under 40 percent on them -- in Miami.


NATE ROBINSON, PG
 Projection: 16.7 pts, 3.6 reb, 4.7 ast per 40 min; 11.52 PER | Player card

• Flaky, emotional, pint-sized guard with explosive hops. Aggressive scorer.
• Good outside shooter but shot selection an issue. Gets out of control.
• Strength, athleticism partly offset size on D. Loses focus, gambles and fouls.

Robinson really struggled in the Boston half of his season, which explains why the Oklahoma City portion was largely spent at the end of the bench. He only played 30 minutes in four garbage-time appearances for the Thunder and doesn't appear to be in the team's plans.

In 55 games with Boston, Robinson's shot betrayed him. He made only 32.8 percent of his 3s and 36.0 percent of his long 2s, and since he wasn't about to stop shooting -- Robinson had the fourth-worst pure point rating among point guards -- this became a problem. Quietly, he also has stopped drawing fouls. Robinson had the third-worst free throw rate among point guards, partly because more than half his shots were 3s and partly, one fears, because he's lost a step.

Defensively, Robinson is a mess. Only one point guard fouled more frequently, and he didn't offset it with steals; in fact his steal rate was painfully low. Again, one wonders if a loss of quickness is partly to blame; at 5-9, he can't afford to drop off much in that department, which explains why a lot of small guards fade quickly in their late 20s. Robinson is 27 and his chunky build probably isn't helping him any, so the clock is ticking.


COLE ALDRICH, C
 No projection | Player card

• Long big man who was a step slow on virtually everything as a rookie.
• Offensive skills and finishing instincts a major question mark.
• Needs to improve defensive reactions and reduce fouls. Must add strength.

Aldrich played only 142 minutes, but he was bad enough in that time for the "b" word to form on people's lips. It's still too early to proclaim him a bust, but for a three-year college player who was drafted in the lottery, that was one ugly rookie season. Aldrich committed 30 fouls in his limited run, an amazing rate of one per 4.7 minutes, and had as many turnovers as baskets. Subjectively, he seemed overwhelmed by nearly everything, especially on defense.

In 21 D-League games he showed more promise. Aldrich blocked a shot every 11 minutes, cut the fouls to a more reasonable level and did solid work on the boards. Offensively, however, he still has a long way to go. Even against D-League competition he had a high turnover rate and barely averaged double figures.

If he can turn into a young Joel Przybilla clone -- which is certainly possible -- the Thunder won't sweat the lack of offense. But for a 23-year-old lottery pick, he's more of a project than advertised.


BYRON MULLENS, C
 No projection | Player card

• 7-foot project with decent athleticism and a decent midrange jumper.
• Few other basketball skills. Needs to improve strength and get more reps.

Mullens played 85 NBA minutes all season, 29 of which came in a meaningless season-ender against Milwaukee, and his results were no better than his limited run a season earlier.

In 14 D-League games, however, he showed considerable improvement from the season before. Mullens showed some of the scoring ability that made him a first-round draft pick, averaging better than a point every two minutes while shooting 53.1 percent. His rebounding and shot-blocking were average at best, but the 22-year-old has shown he may yet become an effective pick-and-pop big man.


ROYAL IVEY, PG
 No projection | Player card

• Defensive-minded combo guard with good lateral movement and intensity.
• Decent midrange shooter but struggles from distance.
• Below-average ball handler and decision-maker. A stopgap-only point guard.

Ivey played only 25 games for the Thunder and didn't dramatically alter his career prospects with his performance. Essentially, he was about what they expected -- a useful fifth guard because of his defense and the fact that he can make a 17-footer, but one who is utterly unsuited for any duty beyond that because of his grave offensive limitations.
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Memphis Grizzlies:

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MIKE CONLEY, PG
 Projection: 16.5 pts, 3.3 reb, 7.9 ast per 40 min; 17.17 PER | Player card

• Low-key lefty point guard with great straight-line speed. Good spot-up shooter.
• Undersized. Mediocre one-on-one defender but gets hands on the ball a lot.
• Improved right hand. Straight-line driver to rim; needs more moves, variety.

It wasn't quite a breakout year, but Conley finally established himself as a solid starter. He ran the team more confidently, improved his right hand, got his hands on the ball more and generally was more involved at both ends, leading to career bests in PER and in his assist and scoring rates.

Conley still struggles with his in-between game. He took nearly three shots a game between 3 and 15 feet but made only 33.8 percent of them; that was a huge drag on his field goal percentage. Despite his size, he shot 60.3 percent at the rim, and his marks from the perimeter (41.0 percent on long 2s, career 38.0 percent on 3s) are very solid.

However, he needs to either shoot more 3s or draw more fouls. Conley shot 3s unusually rarely for such a good shooter, and he tends to avoid contact on his drives. As a result, he was only 56th among point guards in secondary percentage.

Defensively, Conley struggles in one-on-one coverage, especially against bigger guards, but, off the ball, he's very good at getting deflections and creating havoc. He was seventh among point guards in steals per minute, and he did it without overt gambling -- one of several reasons the Griz led the NBA in forcing turnovers.


TONY ALLEN, SG
 Projection: 16.1 pts, 5.3 reb, 2.8 ast per 40 min; 15.94 PER | Player card

• League's best perimeter defender. Smothering, handsy approach can yield fouls.
• Athletic; can get to rim and make plays. Poor ball handler prone to turnovers.
• Awful shooter with penchant for blowing layups. Disastrous decision-maker.

Zach Randolph is the Grizzlies' best player, but it was Allen who defined their season. His relentless defensive energy turned around what had been one of the league's most listless defensive squads a year earlier, and he proved surprisingly effective offensively despite often appearing on the brink of disaster.

Allen is simply the best perimeter defender in the game. He led all shooting guards in steals per minute and was second in blocks per minute, combining an in-your-face approach to one-on-one defense with a sixth sense for helping teammates. At times, he seemed to defend all five players by himself, most notably on one play in a regular-season game against the Thunder when he got two deflections outside the 3-point line, then raced back to reject a stunned Russell Westbrook at the rim.

The numbers back this up. According to Synergy, Allen was the most effective wing defender in the league and the third best overall; according to 82games.com, the Grizzlies gave up 5.7 fewer points per 100 possessions with Allen on the court. The cost of his aggression, however, is a sky-high foul rate. Allen had the third-highest rate among shooting guards at one every 9.3 minutes, so fouls took him off the court at times.

Offensively, Allen is a train wreck waiting to happen, but he's so athletic and relentless that he's still effective. Allen has a high dribble and makes terrible decisions, plus he misses a phenomenal number of layups. He's also a terrible outside shooter with a hitch in his delivery, which is why he had the second-worst secondary percentage at his position. However, he gets to the basket so much that he shot 51 percent.

Alas, he might not shoot as well this coming year. Allen is one of the Fluke Rule players for 2011-12 (see Lamar Odom comment), so we can expect his numbers to decline this coming season.


RUDY GAY, SF
 Projection: 20.0 pts, 6.0 reb, 2.6 ast per 40 min; 17.43 PER | Player card

• Athletic, long wing with unblockable rainbow jump shot.
• Tools to be great defender. Effort improved considerably in 2010-11.
• Needs to improve passing and draw more fouls. Too reliant on midrange J.

Statistically, Gay's season wasn't all that different from the previous three, but move in for a closer look. Before a shoulder injury prematurely ended his season, he was finally starting to get it. Gay's assists jumped to 2.8 per 40 minutes from his formerly pathetic numbers in the 1s, and although he still relies too much on simply outjumping defenders to get away a midrange jumper, he shot a career-best 47.1 percent from the floor.

The big change, however, was at the defensive end. Gay has always had the ability to excel but often sleepwalked at this end; last season, his focus was much better and allowed his talent to shine. Gay finished among the top 10 small forwards in blocks and steals per minute, and he did it with the 13th-lowest foul rate at his position. Gay also ranked in the top quarter of small forwards in Synergy's stats and permitted just a 12.6 opponent PER; Tony Allen aided that latter number very little, if you're curious, as the two were in the same starting lineup for only a handful of games.

To become an All-Star, the next step for Gay is to work more 3s and free throws into his scoring. His secondary percentage of 7.8 was only 48th best among small forwards; he's a good shooter, too, so taking more 3s (of which he made 39.6 percent last season) and earning more freebies would pad his numbers considerably.


ZACH RANDOLPH, PF
 Projection: 20.4 pts, 12.1 reb, 2.0 ast per 40 min; 20.75 PER | Player card

• Ace low-post scorer with wide base, great hands and lefty rainbow J to 20 feet.
• Improved passer but still looks shot-first. Excels at rebounding own misses.
• Excellent rebounder but subpar help defender. Character still a question mark.

Randolph passed another phase in his increasing maturity by showing strong improvement as a passer. Formerly a black hole in the post, he constantly hit cutters in Memphis and ranked just above the average for power forwards in assist rate.

Randolph's other stats jump off the page. He shot 50 percent as the go-to guy on an otherwise very average offensive team, floating in lefty rainbows when he wasn't overpowering opponents closer to the rim.

The most amazing part was his rebound rate, a career-high 20.1. Despite spending so much time with his back to the basket, Randolph's phenomenal 14.2 offensive rebound rate was second among all power forwards; his overall rate was third. He is the best in the league at rebounding his own miss, with an almost supernatural instinct for where the carom will come.

I don't think people understand how unusual this was. The last player to have a usage rate as high as Randolph's and an offensive rebound rate as high was Moses Malone in 1987-88. Shawn Kemp had three seasons in the early '90s that very nearly matched those levels, and nobody since has come close. The only four players in post-merger history to match what Randolph did last season, or even come reasonably close to it, were Kemp, Malone, Charles Barkley and Hakeem Olajuwon.

Defensively, Randolph's effort is subpar. He owns the glass but rarely helps teammates at the rim; he also appears to avoid fouling at all costs, having the third-lowest foul rate among power forwards. He doesn't move particularly well defending the pick-and-roll, either, although his size is useful for guarding the block.

Randolph signed a four-year, $71 million extension toward the end of the season that amounts to a giant dice roll on his staying out of trouble. Randolph is 30, but his floor-bound post game shouldn't suffer much from the ravages of age; Memphis just has to hope that age continues to leave him wiser off the court.


MARC GASOL, C (FREE AGENT -- RESTRICTED)
 Projection: 14.4 pts, 9.1 reb, 3.1 ast per 40 min; 16.54 PER | Player card

• Skilled, unselfish center who can score from left block with hook or baseline J.
• Average defender and rebounder. Gained weight; conditioning an issue.
• Good foul shooter but average midrange J on floor. C athlete; plays below rim.

You can't take your eyes off Gasol because of the unintentional comedy -- the pre-tip stretching routine where he looks like a weekend hack at the Y, the awkward fist bumping and assorted winking and nodding, the free throw routine where he stares down and slaps the ball into the floor a few times before shooting ... it's endless.

What was less amusing was his notable weight gain from the previous season; that and an early-season ankle sprain conspired to taper his production a bit from a breakout 2009-10 campaign. Although he still had a solid campaign, Gasol's rebounding and shooting numbers suffered.

Gasol has a tendency to pass up shots, and although his pass-first instincts make him a good high-post distributor, one wishes he would call his own number more. On the block, he has a running skyhook and a turnaround to the left baseline, but he will pass at the first hint of a double.

Despite his girth, Gasol is a pretty solid defensive player. He knows where to be, takes care of the boards and is more nimble than he looks. If he keeps gaining weight, however, this is going to change rather quickly. Gasol was flabby as a younger player but got into great shape in 2009-10; the worry is that he'll sign a big contract before the season, then start packing on the pounds.




KEY RESERVES
O.J. MAYO, SG
 Projection: 18.5 pts, 3.6 reb, 3.6 ast per 40 min; 14.22 PER | Player card

• Scoring wing with accurate jumper. Good off curls. More scorer than shooter.
• Good ball handler but lacks burst. Average passer. Has strength to finish at rim.
• Average at best defensively. Struggles against size, doesn't always play hard.

Mayo had a rough year that included a drug suspension, a benching and an in-flight butt-kicking from teammate Tony Allen. Mayo's shooting numbers also continued their puzzling downward trajectory, as he set career lows in shooting from the field, on 3s and at the line. He landed a mere 58th out of 66 shooting guards in TS%, a disastrous standing for a player whose shooting ability is his main differentiating talent.

Mayo, surprisingly, didn't shoot 3s particularly often, ranking 32nd in 3-point attempts per minute despite playing for a team that desperately needed a steady perimeter threat. He didn't shoot well on long 2s either (37.8 percent), although he is very good coming off left-side curls going to his right. One suspects his shooting numbers will right themselves this season.

Mayo fans sometimes talk him up as a point guard, but frankly, I don't see it. He's a good ball handler but has trouble beating 2s off the dribble, let alone 1s, and he doesn't have much in the way of court vision. He could succeed at playing the point only as a caretaker and spot-up shooter, the way the Lakers use their point guards.

Defensively, Mayo doesn't always play hard and lacks size, but he picked up his energy toward the end of the season and proved useful against Oklahoma City's Russell Westbrook in the playoffs. On the other hand, his regular-season production was pretty awful -- opposing shooting guards posted a 19.6 PER against him, and Synergy ranked Mayo near the bottom of the shooting guard heap.


SHANE BATTIER, SF (FREE AGENT -- UNRESTRICTED)
  Projection: 9.5 pts, 6.1 reb, 3.1 ast per 40 min; 11.47 PER | Player card

• Heady defender who takes advantage of length, rarely makes mistakes.
• Good corner 3-point shooter but slow, low release. Good at post entry.<
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Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 28, 2011, 12:16:41 AM
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The NBA regular season would run through April 26 and require teams to play at least one set of back-to-back-to-back games if a new labor deal is ratified in time to start on Christmas.

The league posted an outline of what the schedule would look like on its Twitter pages Sunday. The plan is a 66-game regular season, ending about 10 days later than usual. The last possible day of the NBA finals would be June 26, two weeks later than the championship series ended last season.

Teams would play 48 games within their conference and 18 nonconference games. Teams will not visit every NBA city.

Teams will play about two more games per month, but no team would play on three straight nights more than three times.

Back-to-backs might also be played during the second round of the postseason.

Owners and union officials reached agreement to end the 149-day lockout on Saturday following a marathon bargaining session. Players must still approve the deal, and once they do, training camps and free agency will open simultaneously on Dec. 9.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Mandark on November 28, 2011, 12:37:33 AM
Hmmm.  Before, I was thinking that the shorter season would help the older teams that wanted to avoid wear and tear, like the Mavs, Celtics, etc.  Might be the opposite, sounds like.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 28, 2011, 06:54:00 AM
The injury spread will be wider than ever, I think. Guys that stayed in shape/younger players should do well with the short season. Older guys/guys who didn't stay in shape will suffer and get hurt.

Still, savvy coaches like Carlisle and Rivers know how to rest their vets on back-to-backs. They'll just have to crack the whip a bit.

I'm finding myself rooting for the Mavs to repeat, unusually. Pity their free agency status is so wild though. Makes it tough to get a read on them. So many teams will be wanting Chandler now - imagine him on the Heat!

Oh yeah, i just realized that Blake Griffin is in line for 5% more money from the Clips if they re-sign him than before this CBA. There are some legit winners in the new system.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 28, 2011, 05:22:41 PM
Nene to heat, plz
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 28, 2011, 07:21:42 PM
Thunder and anyone playing the Heat.  I'll root for the Hawks in their first round, six game playoff loss too.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 28, 2011, 07:30:28 PM
Rooting for Mavs repeat and the Heat to lose again.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 28, 2011, 07:42:45 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 28, 2011, 07:30:28 PM
Rooting for Mavs repeat and the Heat to lose again.

.

Getting harder to root for the Celtics as that window slams shut. They'll still be very good but unlikely to be great again, even if Rondo continues to improve.

It's impossible to root for the Heat - even if you were a bandwagon fan last year, losing the way they did has got to place some deep deep doubts in the minds of all their fans.

And the Lakers...? What a pack of punk bitches. Every fan of basketball should be united in their despite of that team.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Mandark on November 28, 2011, 08:24:52 PM
For all the talk about LeBron embracing the Heat's image as the bad guys, all it consisted of were a few quotes to the media and some of the least convincing facial expressions since Kobe's "stick my jaw out to show you I'm determined" a few years ago.  The Lakers, on the other hand, acted like complete bullies on their way out against the Mavs.

I'd like to see the Mavs or Spurs make a final run, or for the Thunder or Grizzlies to step it up.  Not as psyched for the East, though there will probably be a bunch of competitive series there too.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on November 28, 2011, 08:29:49 PM
I'm ready, my body is ready.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 28, 2011, 09:06:12 PM
I understand where it came from too? Could there possibly be any confusion on the part of any viewer? Anyone out there who thought it was an attempt at a legit foul that went wrong? No, didn't think so. Everyone understands that it was out of frustration - that's one half of why it's so bad. The other half is that it could have broken Barea's neck.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 28, 2011, 09:53:44 PM
Definitely rooting for the Heat but then I'm allowed to since I'm a Florida dude.  :P

They still have major flaws just like I said they did last year but with a few adjustments they should in theory be the team to beat again. I can't see a Celtics team one year older winning the title. And I think Chicago's flaws kinda got exposed.

Not sure about the West. Should be the year the Thunder step up but I don't know if that team will ever be tough enough.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 28, 2011, 10:14:20 PM
Perkins on 2008 form and a more experienced, bulked-up Ibaka should be plenty of toughness really...especially if they end up going against the Heat in the finals. Who the Heat add at PG and Center is really key to the whole season I think. They can't stand still.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 29, 2011, 12:38:55 AM
I was going to buy a new pair of Lebrons to celebrate the season but they freaking cost $175.  Shouldn't he be trying to make his products more mainstream after the damage to his image?   ???

Can someone please post Laker's Hollinger profiles?

Btw, there's a nice clip of Bill Walton's career on NBA.com?  http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2011/11/28/20111117_walton_broll.nba/

He really was pretty awesome in his prime.  It's too bad that most younger fans think of him as an underserving hall of famer. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 29, 2011, 01:02:05 AM
Have you read 'The Breaks of the Game', Smooth? That book really turned me around on Walton, who previously I only knew from his broadcasts. I watched a ton of Blazers clips on youtube after that. He was a beast, no question. That he never got to play healthy for very long is almost as sad as Len Bias' tragically short career (that guy would have been LeBron before LeBron basically...with a jump shot).

I think twitter may be his definitive medium of expression though - he is frequently hilarious.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 29, 2011, 03:27:51 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfYXUY7bVPg
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 29, 2011, 05:59:34 AM
oh yeah, my other big rooting interest this year is obviously gonna be the Clips. Griffin will be in the playoffs for the 1st time, bank on it.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 29, 2011, 06:02:47 AM
haha, when Durant crosses you over with those Plastic Man arms, he leaves you like 5 meters away
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 30, 2011, 12:09:40 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on November 29, 2011, 01:02:05 AM
Have you read 'The Breaks of the Game', Smooth? That book really turned me around on Walton, who previously I only knew from his broadcasts. I watched a ton of Blazers clips on youtube after that. He was a beast, no question. That he never got to play healthy for very long is almost as sad as Len Bias' tragically short career (that guy would have been LeBron before LeBron basically...with a jump shot).

No, I haven't read the book but I've heard it's really good.  What era does it cover up to?

NBA channel actually had two full playoffs games of young Walton yesterday.  I guess yesterday was NBA's unofficial Bill Walton Day. 

He really was a monster.  Dude was basically a longer, more athletic version of Duncan with better court vision and more range.  If he had continue being healthy, at the worse, he would have been the 2nd best center of his era behind Kareem and most likely a top 5 all-time center. 

I also saw a ridiculous move from Dr. J that I've never seen before.  He basically posted up on Walton, turned around and just dunked in his face.  Given the size difference, it's insane that he would even try something like that. 

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I think twitter may be his definitive medium of expression though - he is frequently hilarious.

Bill is indeed hilarious.  He used to call Clippers' games and he would always yell "throw it down, big man" whenever a big guy goes up soft.  Also, he would insist every year that MJ, and then Kobe should be the most improved player every year.  Some players used to be mad at Bill for being overly critical but I think he just tells like it is. 

 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 30, 2011, 12:13:26 AM
Also, you guys with NBA channel should check out a new show called "my generation".  It's really cool.  It's basically a bunch of stars from the 90's and early 2000's talking about the greatest players that they ever faced. 

It's pretty cool how they break down why a certain player was so great.  Like how Olajuwon was basically unstoppable because he had almost no tendecies from either side and he would make even the tough shots that the D intended him to take.   
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 30, 2011, 01:08:00 AM
Breaks of the Game is just one season - the one after their big 'Blazermania' breakout year, and unfortunately, the year it all fell to shit for them. It looks back and forward quite a bit though.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: benjipwns on November 30, 2011, 10:47:21 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on November 29, 2011, 01:02:05 AM
I think twitter may be his definitive medium of expression though - he is frequently hilarious.
Are you thinking of the parody one that twitter banned?

The real one barely tweets: http://twitter.com/#!/BillWalton
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Flannel Boy on November 30, 2011, 06:36:45 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 26, 2011, 05:44:26 PM
For me, the only small downside is that we'll miss out on NBA stars rampaging through foreign leagues.  Some more games like this (http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/7274545/new-jersey-nets-deron-williams-explodes-50-points-besiktas-win-tuesday) and I wouldn't have to listen to any Euro partisans explain how international competitions proved that the NBA isn't the gold standard any more, or how Euro-style basketball relies on a different skillset.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2011/11/deron-williams-jersey-retired-after-just-15-games-in-turkey/1

Hey, Cedric Ceballos and Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf scored 50 in the NBA!
Alternative: 99% of Turkey is located in Asia.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: pilonv1 on November 30, 2011, 11:03:23 PM
Tony Delk also scored 50.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: benjipwns on November 30, 2011, 11:10:44 PM
Best random 50+ point game: http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199412130PHI.html

This one is pretty neat too: http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199802100GSW.html
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: etiolate on November 30, 2011, 11:36:51 PM
Quote from: pilonv1 on November 30, 2011, 11:03:23 PM
Tony Delk also scored 50.

I think that game may have sucked all the ballin out of Delk. He vanished after that.

Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Mandark on November 30, 2011, 11:52:36 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on November 30, 2011, 11:10:44 PM
This one is pretty neat too: http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199802100GSW.html

Jesus, I remember that game.  Partly because the Wizards (first season post-name change) were coming off their first playoff season in forever with a young, promising roster, but also because that was my 16th birthday.  Check Rod Strickland's line that game; dude went nuts.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 01, 2011, 12:05:24 AM
Yeah I remember seeing that Willie Burton one on NBA Action, I knew that would be it

:gloomy @ that Tracy Murray one, fucking look at that Warriors roster :gloomy
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 01, 2011, 12:11:42 AM
http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/7300682/tyson-chandler-dallas-mavericks-says-expects-a-new-team-come-training-camp

And there goes any hope of Dallas repeating.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 01, 2011, 12:19:48 AM
 >:(
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 01, 2011, 12:27:45 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 01, 2011, 12:11:42 AM
http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/7300682/tyson-chandler-dallas-mavericks-says-expects-a-new-team-come-training-camp

And there goes any hope of Dallas repeating.

Not if they get Dwight Howard. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: etiolate on December 01, 2011, 12:46:53 AM
I wonder where Tyson is thinking of going. People seem to want to play with Blake. Kings have salary space and want him, but I'm not sure he'd want to go there after experiencing what he did in Dallas.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 01, 2011, 01:07:53 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on December 01, 2011, 12:27:45 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 01, 2011, 12:11:42 AM
http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/7300682/tyson-chandler-dallas-mavericks-says-expects-a-new-team-come-training-camp

And there goes any hope of Dallas repeating.

Not if they get Dwight Howard. 

Chandler may just be playing the game to get the Mavs to commit. Cuban can go either way - bizarre overspending (if you're a back-up center) or seemingly-prudent parsimony (if you're a soon-to-be 2-time MVP point guard). Who knows which way he'll go. ESPN indicates that he wants to be a player next year in free agency (Howard, D-Will, CP3 etc) but I'm pretty sure all those guys will be locked up by somebody before then anyway.

The more reasonable replacement would be Nene. Haywood and Nene could be a pretty solid rotation.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 01, 2011, 04:23:13 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on December 01, 2011, 12:27:45 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 01, 2011, 12:11:42 AM
http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/7300682/tyson-chandler-dallas-mavericks-says-expects-a-new-team-come-training-camp

And there goes any hope of Dallas repeating.

Not if they get Dwight Howard. 

Still more likely than Paul in NY
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 01, 2011, 07:47:27 PM
So now Paul's agent has asked for a trade to the Knicks. 2 days ago Paul was saying the usual 'I don't care about any of that stuff. My heart is in New Orleans' :lol

Why do they even bother asking players what they think these days? It's only the occasional weirdo like Ron Artest that will ever slip from the pre-prepared speeches penned by the agents and handlers.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Beezy on December 01, 2011, 08:54:29 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 01, 2011, 07:47:27 PM
So now Paul's agent has asked for a trade to the Knicks. 2 days ago Paul was saying the usual 'I don't care about any of that stuff. My heart is in New Orleans' :lol

Why do they even bother asking players what they think these days? It's only the occasional weirdo like Ron Artest that will ever slip from the pre-prepared speeches penned by the agents and handlers.
It would be cool if he came here, but isn't getting a big man way more important for the Knicks?
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 01, 2011, 09:12:51 PM
I think Billups has another good season in him, yeah. Chander, Howard, Gasol, Nene are probably more important targets for them next season. But for longer than that, Paul is going to add more wins.

Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 01, 2011, 09:55:25 PM
Hollinger on why CP is unlikely to go to the Knicks

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Consider Chris Paul and Carmelo Anthony just ships passing -- there's little chance they play together. We've been hearing since the infamous wedding toast of last summer that Carmelo Anthony, Amare Stoudemire and Chris Paul want to play together for the Knicks. We're two-thirds of the way there. Melo and Amare are already Knicks, and CP can become a free agent after the season and sign with New York. Looks like a slam dunk, right?
Not so fast.
It appears the only realistic way that Paul can end up in Gotham would be if he is willing to take a massive pay cut. He would likely make about 60 percent as much in New York as he could make in New Orleans and, even in the best-case scenario, forego tens of millions of dollars compared to playing in other markets.
Let's quickly follow the salary-cap logic involved in Paul moving to the Knicks as a free agent:
• The current salary cap is at $58 million with the players taking a 51.1 percent share of BRI.
• Next year, the players' share goes down to 50 percent, likely offsetting any increase in BRI itself. In other words, one can reasonably expect next season's salary cap to be right around $58 million.
• The Knicks have $39.5 million committed just to Stoudemire and Anthony. (And before you ask, they cannot renegotiate their contracts downward.)
• Even if the Knicks got rid of everybody else and just had those two on the roster, the 10 "cap holds" for minimum salary players would occupy another $5 million in salary cap space.
• That means the Knicks have an absolute minimum of $44.5 million committed.
• Which, in turn, leaves the Knicks with an absolutely best-case scenario of a $13.5 million starting salary for Paul.
Paul will make $16.4 million this year and would be opting out of $17.7 million in 2011-12. Should he opt out next summer, a new five-year contract with the Hornets would start at $17.177 million and pay him as much as $22.3 million by the end -- a total of $98.8 million. In comparison, over the life of the maximum allowable four-year deal with the Knicks, he could get only $57.6 million.
So if Paul really wants to go to New York, he can go -- as long as he's willing to give up, at a minimum, forty million dollars to do it. (The same, incidentally, applies for Deron Williams or Dwight Howard.)
In fact, even this scenario seems optimistic as far as Paul's New York earning potential; it would basically involve New York giving away Iman Shumpert, Toney Douglas, and Landry Fields, not to mention whatever players the Knicks sign this offseason or draft next June. The Knicks would have only the "mini" mid-level and a bunch of minimum contracts to use to surround Paul, Anthony and Amare -- they'd have vastly less, in other words, than even the Heat had to work with last summer.
Should the Knicks keep Shumpert and Douglas around, New York would have just $11 million for Paul's starting salary, and the total value of the contract would be half what he could get by staying a Hornet; even compared with leaving the Hornets and signing with another team for the full maximum, he'd be leaving about $30 million on the table.
Around this point, Knicks fans will point out that a free-agent signing isn't the only way Paul can end up in New York. He could also try to force a trade, and that wouldn't be as financially damaging. Paul's potential earnings improve somewhat if he wants to do a sign-and-trade or an extend-and-trade, although they still lag behind what he can make by staying.
Alas, there's one little problem with that: The Knicks would need something worth trading. Sorry, New Yorkers, the Hornets aren't giving away their superstar for Chauncey Billups' expiring contract and Douglas. They can't even trade a draft pick, as their 2012, 2014 and 2016 first-round picks are all owed to other teams and the league forbids teams from trading picks in consecutive years. In other words, if New Orleans decides to pre-emptively trade CP to avoid losing him as a free agent, there's a zero percent chance of his landing on the Knicks to join Amare and Melo.
Moreover, if the Hornets are convinced CP is leaving, it's hard to imagine them passively waiting around for Paul to ditch them in the summer. Especially after that whole LeBron thing two summers ago.
This is why I argued the Knicks overpaid in the Anthony trade with Denver rather than being patient and signing him outright over the summer -- they have no assets left to make a deal for Paul, and yet from a financial standpoint, trading for Paul is the most realistic route to bringing him on board.
Or rather, they do have one asset if it's important enough to them: They could trade Anthony for Paul.
No matter how you slice it, it seems somewhere between highly unlikely and virtually impossible for Paul to end up with Amare and Melo on the Knicks. He can't force a trade there, he'd take a financial bath signing there as a free agent, and the Hornets aren't going to sit idly by and lose him for nothing. The CP-to-New York talk to match Miami's Big 3 makes for fun conversation for this winter, but the Knicks lost hope of this happening the day they made the Anthony trade.
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Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 01, 2011, 10:54:23 PM
so it's LOL@KNICKS business as usual
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 01, 2011, 11:02:19 PM
I think Paul can still veto any trade pretty much by declaring that he won't re-up. So if he remains staunch until next year and becomes a FA, he can in theory take a 50% paycut to go to NYC and hope the marketing bucks offset the difference (which they should). But how many superstars actually do that? Even then, he'd have to wait another 1 or 2 years before the Knicks had enough pieces to really compete.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 02, 2011, 01:28:10 AM
If he does then as Hollinger sez they'll be in worse shape than the Heat. At least LeBron plays some defense, and they had Haslem and Chalmers

Knicks will have to renounce everyone to get Paul at even a modest contract for his stardom. And then they'd only have that shitty new exemption ($3mill/3years). No Landry Fields, no Shumpert, no Turiaf, no Toney Douglas.

Who are they going to beat?
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 02, 2011, 01:32:30 AM
Quote from: pilonv1 on December 02, 2011, 01:28:10 AM
If he does then as Hollinger sez they'll be in worse shape than the Heat. At least LeBron plays some defense, and they had Haslem and Chalmers

Knicks will have to renounce everyone to get Paul at even a modest contract for his stardom. And then they'd only have that shitty new exemption ($3mill/3years). No Landry Fields, no Shumpert, no Turiaf, no Toney Douglas.

Who are they going to beat?

No-one of consequence
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/-_laQZhpYvo4/TrtqqWSDwwI/AAAAAAAABC4/mLbUEziR9Lo/pbr_031NeverSeen%25255B11%25255D.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 02, 2011, 01:32:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXzyjAh985g
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 02, 2011, 03:25:31 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 02, 2011, 01:32:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXzyjAh985g

He learned to that while watching passes meant for him being intercepted by Russell Westbrook.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 03, 2011, 10:55:49 PM
:lol dagger

Can't wait to see how Brooks deals with Fraudbrook this year
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Mandark on December 03, 2011, 11:10:20 PM
Quote from: pilonv1 on December 03, 2011, 10:55:49 PM
Fraudbrook

really?
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 03, 2011, 11:17:23 PM
maybe you should cut and paste the Hollinger bit where Prof proves he is essentially the same player as reigning MVP Derrick Rose
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 04, 2011, 02:45:38 AM
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The regular season highlighted all the progress that Westbrook has made in turning from a wild, turnover-prone rookie into an All-Star point guard at just 22. The postseason showcased all the work that remains: Westbrook shot 39.4 percent in the playoffs while taking a staggering 20.2 field goal attempts per game; in playoff usage rate he was second only to Chicago's Derrick Rose, and Rose didn't play with a two-time scoring champ.

While Westbrook is a magnet for criticism and Rose appears immune, their games are actually quite similar. Westbrook makes more turnovers but earns them back with more rebounds. In terms of shooting and passing they're extremely similar. In fact, Westbrook's PER (23.63) and Rose's (23.62) couldn't be closer.

The difference is that, aesthetically, Westbrook leaves a lot more to be desired. The end result may be the same, but Westbrook's mistakes are more visibly frustrating -- his shot selection is questionable, he has no in-between game (he was the third-worst shooter in the league from 3 to 9 feet, at just 26.6 percent), and his game comes across as more selfish. If he fixes these shortcomings he's first-team all-world, but last May was pretty rough on the eyes.

Defensively, Westbrook also needs to recommit. Based on his physical skills, he should be awesome. He's plainly not. While Westbrook won't be overpowered by anyone and ranked fourth at his position in steals per minute, his effort needs to be more consistent. Additionally, he's so focused on crashing the boards (first among point guards in offensive rebound rate, second in overall rebound rate) that at times he leaves the backcourt exposed for easy run-outs.

At least Rose has an excuse for taking so many bad shots.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 04, 2011, 08:29:42 PM
It occurred to me the other day that the logical endpoint to the LeBron Era would be for him to actually buy an NBA franchise after his current contract runs out (in 3 seasons I think). I'm sure there are some prohibitions against this but they could be fought.

What would be the problem with it? He'd just cut out a lot of middlemen and take all the risk himself. He'd truly be a partner to the NBA, not an employee. He can afford it (he could get the Hornets for $300 mil or so), and if he doesn't have the liquidity, there will be a billion people ready to front him cash. Then he could bring in whoever he wants. Even better, he could call it The LeBrons.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: DJ_Tet on December 04, 2011, 08:46:20 PM
Players aren't allowed to be owners, period.  The owners can veto any buyer coming into the NBA and they would certainly not look favorably upon that (as you said, cuts out the 'middle men.)'

Furthermore, the NBA made Magic Johnson sell his stake in the Lakers when he came back into the league.  If the NBA won't bend for Magic no way they bend for Lebron.

He'll have to wait until he retires to get a team.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-i7LyIrSPoL0/Th44N2dCEVI/AAAAAAAAAsg/11p8RbjggYg/s1600/mj-laughing.gif)
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 04, 2011, 09:02:09 PM
I know they're not allowed under the current rules. But it's all negotiable. Some megastar is going to force this issue eventually. LeBron's career might peak too early (i.e. before the next CBA expires - 6 yrs off, basically) but maybe he'll go for it anyway.

He is by far the biggest draw in the league, with Yao Ming gone. I agree that there would be all sorts of opposition, but I think he has the clout to swing this, and it seems exactly what he wants.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: DJ_Tet on December 04, 2011, 09:25:44 PM
None of it is 'negotiable.'  Perhaps you missed the news but the player salaries just got slashed and it wasn't a negotiation.

No owner will approve the sale of the Hornets to a player.  Furthermore, players themselves don't make nearly the money that Jordan made in his career (think he topped $30 mil in NBA salary alone one year.)  Garnett will be the guy who made the most in his career strictly from the NBA, LeBron won't come close to career salary earnings.

He'll have to wait just like MJ did.  It's an interesting idea I just don't think it's feasible at all, even for LeBron. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 04, 2011, 09:38:42 PM
ooh, you want to patronize me.

Well, Mr student of recent history:

1) The players' salary got 'slashed' because they had a fucking AMAZING deal before this (57% of BRI), sealed at a time when the league was hugely successful. The more successful the league, the more leverage players have, and the more  items get put on the negotiating table. If he wants to put it on the table, he'd have the support of the Union I'm sure (what could be more empowering for their players?).

2) LeBron is making bank - salary is only $16 million but he brings in an estimated FORTY FIVE MILLION in endorsements. Thank you, China. Not that he will ever need to front all that money himself (as I noted). He just needs a controlling interest (which is all Jordan has - he had silent backers as well).
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Mandark on December 04, 2011, 09:42:47 PM
I think the owners would be dead set against what they'd see as the first step towards a player-owned league, and even if one or two superstars had the money and interest (right at the time when a franchise was available and the CBA was up) there just wouldn't be enough players who cared to make it an important negotiating point for the union.

I would like to see a player-coach in my lifetime, though.  That's on my bucket list of anachronisms, along with a brokered political convention and an arranged royal marriage.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 04, 2011, 09:55:04 PM
Well, I think a player-owned league would rightly be considered wildly unlikely by everyone. Obviously I am just blue-skying here but even then I can't see a situation where more than a couple of players could pull this kind of deal off.  I bet LeBron would looooooooove to do this though.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 04, 2011, 09:58:45 PM
Just as an example of what a player with leverage can do:

'In the months following the announcement, the additional terms of Beckham's contract became public knowledge. One unique contract provision was giving him the option of buying an MLS expansion franchise at a fixed price whenever he stopped playing in the league – an allowance that the league's owners had never given to a player before. Another provision was the opt-out clause after the 2009 season, meaning that should he decide so, Beckham was free to leave the club after completing year three of his 5-year contract.[85]'

Yes, after he stopped playing in the league, not during his playing career. But still!
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Mandark on December 04, 2011, 10:30:44 PM
To be fair, MLS has always been a unique situation where the teams belong to the league itself and being an "owner" means you have a stake in MLS and the operating rights to a particular team.  Plus, with the lack of tradition the league and the sport have in the US, they're typically willing to be a lot more fluid in order to accommodate famous international stars, co-ordinate with the national team, etc.  I don't think there have been player-owners in any of the major European leagues in the last few decades, though I'm not aware of any rules against it in that case.

I guess my main point is that this rule only gets changed in a bargaining session, and I think the paranoia of the owners (if one player can buy a team, what if a roster pooled their resources?) would trump the interest of a tiny handful of players.  I think the recent CBA negotiations show that the players are still vastly more concerned with the more mundane issues of mobility and salaries, especially the rules that affect the large pool of mid-tier players.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: DJ_Tet on December 04, 2011, 10:37:52 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 04, 2011, 09:38:42 PM
ooh, you want to patronize me.

Well, Mr student of recent history:

1) The players' salary got 'slashed' because they had a fucking AMAZING deal before this (57% of BRI), sealed at a time when the league was hugely successful. The more successful the league, the more leverage players have, and the more  items get put on the negotiating table. If he wants to put it on the table, he'd have the support of the Union I'm sure (what could be more empowering for their players?).


Wasn't patronizing you I was just explaining what was wrong with your theory.  It's fun to think about but it won't work in the NBA (unless things get so bad that even LeBron wouldn't want to own a team, but I digress.)

This point above is completely erroneous.  They did have an amazing deal, but only because they lucked out.  It was actually sealed during a time when ratings were down, and the owners were considered the major winners when the contract was done.  Time proved otherwise because the league ended up making far more than projected (due to a massive talent increase.)

The players won out, they had an awesome season last year as far as ratings and hype.  They had all the leverage in the world.  And they got smoked again in bargaining.

Now, five years from now they still could be looked at as big winners, if the revenues continue going up and the tv contracts go back up.  However, the owners (and players) have an out in 6 years anyway.

No matter who wins, the owners win.  And they really have all the leverage because the players union isn't solid due to turnover year-to-year.  The owners could have sat out a year or two, that would devastate the majority of the player's union.


Bill Simmons nailed it a few days ago when he said the players need to use their leverage DURING the season.  If they went on strike pre-emtively before the Playoffs one year that would have a much bigger impact than anything they were able to negotiate during the summer. 


Also, depending on how old you are you've seen a player-coach in your lifetime Mandark.  Mike Dunleavy played and coached a couple of games for the Milwaukee Bucks.  Think he was the last, but I used to like hearing/reading about the older players that did that too.  Would be cool to see Peyton Manning become his own official OC next year, would be the closest parallel I can think of.


edit:  You said it yourself.  LeBron made $16 mil in salary thanks to an 'AMAZING' deal for the players.  Jordan made twice that 14 years ago.  The player's deal for the star level athletes is the worst among major sports.  How can LeBron mean so much to one team yet he gets paid like a middle reliever in baseball?  Shitty deal (but great for the average players, which make up the majority of the union.)
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 04, 2011, 10:40:18 PM
It's still fun to think about, damn your eyes!

LeBron could pay himself $1 a year, for example, and how much would other stars give up to play on a roster with that kind of advantage?
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 04, 2011, 10:43:33 PM
The NBA had an amazing season last year but a ton of owners still lost a massive amount of money, leading to a number of franchises having to be abandoned. So the players DIDN'T have leverage - the owners both have more to lose and can afford to wait longer (since they can earn from the NBA for the rest of their lives).  The players did their part in generating lots of excitement but that doesn't mean they had leverage. So of course they got smoked.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Mandark on December 04, 2011, 10:48:21 PM
Actually a flamboyant player becoming the owner of his own team sounds like an awesome premise for a terrible comedy starring Brandon T. Jackson (Nick Cannon's too old), with Donald Glover and Bow Wow as his teammates, and Idris Elba as the coach who teaches them that discipline and winning doesn't mean you have to stop having fun.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: DJ_Tet on December 04, 2011, 10:49:25 PM
The players had as much leverage as they will ever have, was my point.  Unless they strike during a season.

The owners were looked at as the 'bad guys' for canceling the season, don't really see how the players could have much more leverage than that.  No one is feeling sorry for their salaries, even after they got cut.

The owners have 'more to lose?'  The players have EVERYTHING to lose.  This is just a hobby for the majority of the owners.  Do you think Michael Jordan is going to be bankrupt if the Charlotte Bobcats go under?  Or do you think Kemba Walker is going to be hurt more when his checks bounce?

And MJ is one of the 'poor' owners.  Mark Cuban doesn't even bend down to pick up LeBron's checkbook.  Yes some owners lost money but only in terms of their NBA worth.  The majority of owners don't measure themselves by that metric.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 04, 2011, 10:50:42 PM
Quote from: DJ_Tet on December 04, 2011, 10:49:25 PM
The players had as much leverage as they will ever have, was my point.  Unless they strike during a season.

The owners were looked at as the 'bad guys' for canceling the season, don't really see how the players could have much more leverage than that.  No one is feeling sorry for their salaries, even after they got cut.

Simply incorrect, faulty logic here. They had more leverage when the owners were doing well, and thus could afford to give them more. Or rather, they may have had less leverage, but didn't need so much.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 04, 2011, 10:51:25 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 04, 2011, 10:48:21 PM
Actually a flamboyant player becoming the owner of his own team sounds like an awesome premise for a terrible comedy starring Brandon T. Jackson (Nick Cannon's too old), with Donald Glover and Bow Wow as his teammates, and Idris Elba as the coach who teaches them that discipline and winning doesn't mean you have to stop having fun.

Right? Metta World Peace wins the lottery, buys a team...comedy ensues.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Mandark on December 04, 2011, 10:57:25 PM
Yeah, if the owners lose money by holding out, that gives the players more leverage.  In this case, a lot of the owners were making more money the longer they failed to win an agreement.  I don't think it matters in this case, cause the union will only push hard for something that a substantial chunk of its members feel is important.  Of course, the fact that the players were making so much money that the league wasn't profitable maybe shows that they did too well on BRI last time and things got corrected.


Also, in our movie (working title: "Owning Up") Bill Nighy plays the scheming anti-fun owner trying to force our player to give up his stake in the team.  Rosario Dawson or Zoe Saldana plays the educated, grounded marketing VP for the team who isn't buying the player's cocky act, but who is won over by the end of the movie.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 05, 2011, 01:14:07 AM
The players lost any leverage they had by having Hunter and Kessler in charge of their dealings
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 06, 2011, 01:05:39 PM
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Sources: Lakers eye blockbuster trades


It is no secret that the Los Angeles Lakers would like to trade for Dwight Howard or Chris Paul, but sources with knowledge of the situation say the Lakers actually have something greater in mind: acquiring both players.


Hoping to pull off a pair of blockbuster moves that would rock the NBA, the Lakers are willing to trade anyone on their roster outside of Kobe Bryant to bring Howard and Paul to Los Angeles, two sources said.

Whether the Lakers are able to make it happen remains to be seen, but with stars Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum and Lamar Odom on the roster, they have the talent and the financial capacity to make the trades work.

The Lakers have had cursory discussions with New Orleans about Paul within the past few days. It is not clear whether they have spoken with Orlando.

Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak would not comment when asked about the Lakers' intentions to trade for both superstars, but in addressing general trade rumors surrounding his team, he gave the company line, saying the Lakers are happy with their current squad.

"This time of year, there are a lot of rumors going around," Kupchak said in a telephone conversation. "I'm aware of them and I'm not going to comment. Our comments have been pretty consistent -- this group can contend, so we'll just play it out. Nothing is about to happen. It's much too early in the season.

"We don't even have a collective bargaining agreement to refer to."

While Paul's first choice is to join buddies Carmelo Anthony and Amare Stoudemire on the New York Knicks, he would sign a long-term contract to stay with the Lakers, according to a source with knowledge of Paul's thinking. And Howard's fondness for Los Angeles is well-known, leaving no doubt that he would commit to the Lakers long-term.

Sources say Paul and Howard have had several conversations with each other about the possibility of playing together on various teams.

Several trade combinations would work for the Lakers. For instance, they could send Gasol to New Orleans for Paul, and Bynum to Orlando for Howard. If the Lakers threw Odom into the trade to Orlando, they could sweeten the offer for the Magic by taking back the contract of Hedo Turkoglu.

"The Lakers are interested in trying to do something for both (Paul and Howard)," a Western Conference executive said. "I would hate to see it happen. I want Howard to stay in the East and Paul to go to the East.

"If it does happen, it'll make things much harder for us."

The Lakers are not the only team in Los Angeles that's thinking big.

Sources say the Clippers also have intentions to go after both Howard and Paul. And like the Lakers, the Clippers are positioned -- financially and talent-wise to make such a move.

Unlike the Lakers, the Clippers would not have to make two trades. They could use their wealth of young talent to trade for either Paul or Howard and then sign the other as a free agent next summer when they'll have enough cap room to offer a maximum-salary contract. The one player the Clippers will not offer in a trade is Blake Griffin.

"The Lakers have company (in going after Howard and Paul)," another Western Conference official said. "The Clippers are doing the same thing."


http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7321631/sources-los-angeles-lakers-want-dwight-howard-chris-paul
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 06, 2011, 01:28:53 PM
Chris "LeBron is going to Chicago" Broussard?
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: DJ_Tet on December 06, 2011, 02:04:14 PM
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the Lakers are willing to trade anyone on their roster outside of Kobe Bryant to bring Howard and Paul to Los Angeles, two sources said.

lol no shit they would

lol @ comparing the 'stars' Andrew Bynum, Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom to the best center and best PG in the league

gtfo if this comes to fruition, this league is on some stacked bullshit and as a season ticket holder to a 'have-not' I'm afraid I won't be supporting this type of shit
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 06, 2011, 02:11:10 PM

Nowitzki can defeat all super-groups except for Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young. Luckily, Steve Nash has been unable to recruit either Delmon Young or Sidney Crosby.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Mandark on December 06, 2011, 02:35:25 PM
The Lakers benefit from having a big, glamorous hometown, but they also have more trade chips than other teams like the Knicks.  And really, any team giving up Paul or Howard, especially in the last year of their contract, is going to get back less than they give.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 06, 2011, 04:55:29 PM
In other news, Minnesota is willing to trade anyone on their roster outside of Darko Milicic to get Kobe Bryant and Lebron James.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 06, 2011, 06:22:45 PM
I think the news is that Minnesota still has a basketball team.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: etiolate on December 06, 2011, 07:58:53 PM
Looking at the impacted schedule and factoring in the lack of practice time, I am thinking the 66 games is a mistake.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 06, 2011, 09:40:52 PM
Griffin and Howard would be the most devastating front line ever, probably. About 5x as athletic as McHale and Parrish. That would be super-fun to watch. Not as keen on the aging-Kobe scenario though. After all these years, I still don't think he'd trust Paul to make all the decisions.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 06, 2011, 09:57:58 PM
They'd be good, but not even as good as Duncan/Robinson or McHale/Parish in my books. Mainly because they're too young and don't have the skills.

Athletically there's no contest though.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Mandark on December 06, 2011, 10:17:42 PM
Griffin/Howard/Paul would certainly be the alley-oopiest team I can think of.  Wouldn't be much room left on ESPN's top plays if that combo got together.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 06, 2011, 10:38:16 PM
Who knows, maybe Griffin could teach Howard some post moves
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 08, 2011, 05:23:44 PM
Some of the recent news

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Sources: Three-way trade discussed

By Chris Broussard

The New Orleans Hornets are engaged in trade talks with the Los Angeles Lakers and Houston Rockets about a three-team trade that would send Chris Paul to the Lakers and Pau Gasol to the Rockets, sources said.

The Hornets would receive either Luis Scola or Kevin Martin, and possibly both, as well as draft picks. Houston owns the New York Knicks' first-round pick from 2012, as well as its own.

The Rockets also have young assets to offer New Orleans in players like Chase Budinger, Patrick Patterson and Jordan Hill.

The Hornets would like to trade Paul, an All-Star and U.S. Olympian, before Christmas to avoid the lengthy drama that Carmelo Anthony and the Denver Nuggets went through before he was sent to the New York Knicks last season, sources have told ESPN.com. But the Hornets are also prepared to wait for offers to improve, convinced that they they're getting low-ball proposals from would-be suitors.

Sources previously told ESPN.com that the Lakers have made their willingness to deal forward Gasol for Paul clear to the Hornets, since L.A. is hoping to preserve Andrew Bynum to be the centerpiece of a trade offer for Orlando's Dwight Howard.

As the Knicks were closing in on a deal for Tyson Chandler of the Dallas Mavericks, sources told ESPN.com's Marc Stein the Knicks were considering the possibility of sending Amare Stoudemire to the Hornets for Paul, reuiniting him with Chandler.


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Caron Butler goes to Clippers

By Ramona Shelburne

Former Dallas Mavericks forward Caron Butler agreed to a three-year, $24 million contract with Los Angeles Clippers Thursday, according to his agent Raymond Brothers.

Butler had also considered San Antonio, New Jersey and Chicago, but ultimately the opportunity to team with Blake Griffin and Eric Gordon in Los Angeles proved too enticing.

"He's very excited to be with Blake," Brothers said. "And very excited to be with a young upcoming team he believes he can help win a championship."

According to another league source, the Spurs offered Butler a four-year, $21 million deal, the full value of their mid-level exception. The Nets went even bigger -- four years and $30 million, according to sources -- but Butler preferred to play in Los Angeles alongside Griffin and Gordon.

The Clippers had pursued both Butler and Detroit forward Tayshaun Prince this week. They only offered Prince a one-year deal, however, according to a league source, and he elected to re-sign with the Pistons on a four-year, $27 million deal, according to ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher.

Butler played just 29 games last season with the Mavs before rupturing the patellar tendon in his right knee on New Year's Day. He underwent major surgery, and despite exhaustive rehab, was unable to return for Dallas' championship run.

Mavs coaches and front office personnel consistently lauded Butler's effort to return and he believes his right knee is back to 100 percent.

Dallas, however, was reluctant to offer Butler anything more than a one-year contract, an approach the club seems to also be taking with its other free agents.

Josh Howard becomes the top swingman on the market now that Butler has agreed with the Clippers. Howard is considering San Antonio, Denver, New Jersey, Utah, Washington and Chicago, sources tell ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard.



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Tyson Chandler near deal with Knicks

In the latest twist of his expected departure from the Dallas Mavericks, Tyson Chandler is closing in on a deal with the New York Knicks, according to sources close to the process.

"New York is Tyson's first choice," one source told ESPN.com, confirming a Thursday report from CBSSports.com that the Knicks have jumped ahead of the Golden State Warriors in the race to sign Chandler.

"It's 98 percent sure that Tyson is going to wind up with the Knicks."

To create sufficient salary-cap space to sign Chandler, New York is expected to shed the contracts of Chauncey Billups and Ronny Turiaf, through either trades or the forthcoming amnesty clause.

Signing Chandler, sources said, could free up the Knicks to offer star forward Amare Stoudemire to the New Orleans Hornets in a trade scenario for Chris Paul, who badly wants to reunite with Chandler after their time together with the Hornets. Sources say that's one option New York is considering.

CSNBayArea.com reported that the Warriors are trying to sweeten a four-year offer to Chandler valued at $60 million to outbid the Knicks.

The Warriors, sources said, have made Chandler their No. 1 roster target, no matter what happens with their recent trade talks with the Hornets about Paul.

The Mavericks, meanwhile, are fully operating under the premise that Chandler is gone.

Another telling sign that Chandler's time in Dallas has come to an end emerged Thursday, when sources close to the situation told ESPN.com that the Mavericks offered Chandler to the Orlando Magic as part of a proposed sign-and-trade deal for All-Star center Dwight Howard.

No one connected to the Mavericks has said outright that Chandler's time in Dallas is over. But it's now the working assumption in Dallas that Chandler will definitely be leaving the Mavericks -- despite being credited with changing the defensive culture of a team that lost in the first round of the playoffs three times in the previous four years before its 2010-11 championship breakthrough.

Negotiations between the Mavericks and Chandler are essentially frozen, sources said. And any hope of a U-turn has all but evaporated because Dallas is determined to take as much salary-cap space as possible into the summer of 2012, even if that means parting with such an important piece of the first championship in franchise history.

Two sources briefed on the matter used the same words to describe the situation when asked about Chandler by ESPN.com: "He's not coming back."

The Mavericks have taken such a firm negotiating stance with Chandler because they fear that matching the offers for the 29-year-old will not only take them out of the race for 2012 free-agent stars Howard, Deron Williams and Chris Paul, but also prevent them from having the down-the-road financial flexibility to find a younger cornerstone player to team with Dirk Nowitzki as the 33-year-old face of the franchise gets older.

Dallas strongly believes that it will be a finalist for all three of those top stars next summer, since none of them -- no matter where they are this season -- are expected to sign contract extensions, sources close to the situation said. That's because the new labor deal expected to be ratified Thursday by NBA players and owners makes it more advantageous for Howard, Williams and Paul to opt out of their current contracts in July and then proceed to free agency.

The Warriors and Rockets have already met face-to-face with Chandler this week, with sources telling ESPN.com that the 7-footer is likely to sign a four-year deal worth more than $50 million with one of his suitors.

NBA front-office sources say the Mavericks have already begun courting bargain-priced big men, most notably former lottery pick Brandan Wright. Incumbents Brendan Haywood and Ian Mahinmi will obviously get the first crack at Chandler's minutes.

The challenge for the Mavericks in adding depth to their center rotation is getting quality players to take short-term deals to preserve maximum cap space for their summer of 2012 recruiting plans. The Mavericks did try to convince Chandler to accept a one-year deal worth a whopping $20 million, but there was never real hope of that happening, sources said.

As far back as last week, as negotiations with the Mavericks quickly stalled, Chandler told ESPN.com in a phone interview: "I really think I'm going to be on a new team come training camp."

Chandler maintains that staying in Dallas has always been his first choice, but he expressed disappointment last week that communication between the sides was minimal from the end of the NBA Finals in mid-June and the June 30 deadline for a contract extension.

The Mavericks maintain that they were reluctant to talk about an extension before July 1 because no one knew how drastic changes to the NBA's collective bargaining agreement would be at that time.

The best estimates in circulation suggest that the Mavericks would only have roughly $5 million in cap space for the summer of 2012 if they match an offer for Chandler, even if Dallas' other free agents, such as Caron Butler and J.J. Barea, are let go as expected.

To have the needed cap space to bid for a player of Paul's or Williams' caliber if Chandler is retained, Dallas would likely need to set free either backup center Haywood or forward Shawn Marion through the amnesty clause, bid farewell to 2012 free agent-to-be Jason Terry and perhaps even be forced to send away younger prospects like Corey Brewer or Rodrigue Beaubois in trades that bring back no salary.

Chandler, 29, was acquired by the Mavericks in July 2010 in a deal sending Erick Dampier to the Charlotte Bobcats. But Chandler was widely billed at the time as a consolation prize, after Dampier's cap-friendly contract failed to get Dallas in the bidding for the league's marquee free agents -- LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh among them -- through various sign-and-trade offers.

Yet, Chandler wound up meshing with Nowitzki better than anyone anticipated, supplying a blend of length, athleticism, rim protection and vocal leadership that no big man who previously lined up alongside the eventual NBA Finals MVP had ever provided in Dallas.

After missing nearly 70 games over the previous two seasons through injury, Chandler wound up playing in 74 regular season games and finished third in the league's Defensive Player of the Year voting.

In the Western Conference finals, Chandler helped Dallas to a 4-1 series win over the same Oklahoma City Thunder team that traded for him in February 2009 and then rescinded the trade one day later because of concerns about a toe injury.


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MIAMI -- Needing to upgrade their bench, the Miami Heat have landed a significant addition in veteran Shane Battier.


Battier announced on his Twitter account Thursday that he plans to sign with the Heat when free agency opens on Friday afternoon. A number of contending teams had been courting Battier over the last few days, including the Orlando Magic and San Antonio Spurs.

The Heat made Battier a priority and met with him in the first hours of Monday, when teams were allowed to speak with players. Battier, who has had a relationship with Heat CEO Nick Arison since he was the team manager while Battier played at Duke, was attracted to the Heat's potential for winning a title.

"The lockout gave me lots of time to consider what was important to me at this stage of my life and career," Battier wrote on Twitter. "Over the last week, I've played out every scenario in my head over and over. It always came back to one thing for me: a winning role."

Battier, 33, averaged 7.6 points and 4.5 rebounds for the Houston Rockets and Memphis Grizzlies last season. Mostly, the Heat were interested in Battier's ability to defend perimeter players and make spot-up 3-pointers that playing with LeBron James and Dwyane Wade will create. Battier shot 38 percent on 3-pointers last season and is a career 39 percent shooter from long range.

According to league executives, Battier was seeking a multiyear contract at a significant portion of the $5 million mid-level exception. It is unclear what his addition means for Mike Miller, who the Heat are considering releasing with their amnesty clause. Miller currently is sidelined after having hernia surgery.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 08, 2011, 05:46:28 PM
Seems like Dallas-area owners/GMs are really dropping the ball right now.  >:(
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: benjipwns on December 08, 2011, 06:21:24 PM
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The Hornets have started to inform teams that they're sending Chris Paul to the Lakers for Bynum and Odom, league sources tell Y! Sports.
http://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA/status/144913706302717952

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Correction: The proposed deal to the Lakers is Chris Paul for Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom, source says.
https://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA/status/144915833947291649

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If rest of deal goes through as proposed, sources tell ESPN that HOU would send Kevin Martin, Luis Scola and Goran Dragic to N.O. for Gasol
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 08, 2011, 07:17:29 PM
Fuck the Lakers.  I hope Chris Paul's knees go out before the end of next season. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 08, 2011, 07:32:12 PM
Still angling to get Dwight Howard too, the bastards! What Kobe wants, Kobe gets...

Could make for a crazy Finals showdown though. CP3 and Kobe being guarded by Wade and LeBron for a series? Come on. Ratings would be nuts.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 08, 2011, 07:32:57 PM
Ridiculous. I want the lockout back
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 08, 2011, 07:36:39 PM
Orlando better not trade Howard to the Lakers.  The Magic already got screwed by LA once (Shaq).  Why help them again? 

I still don't get WTF do superstars in their primes wanna come to the Lakers.  They know Kobe is gonna get all the credit.  Everyone in LA will just talk about Kobe's clutchness when he hogs the ball in the last 5 minutes while everyone else does the hard work for the other 45 minutes. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 08, 2011, 07:38:02 PM
Quote from: pilonv1 on December 08, 2011, 07:32:57 PM
Ridiculous. I want the lockout back


You're a Warriors fan, right?

Hey, it's good for a young team to find out that they've all been on the trading block and not even get Tyson Chandler in return ... ;)
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 08, 2011, 07:39:40 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on December 08, 2011, 07:36:39 PM
Orlando better not trade Howard to the Lakers.  The Magic already got screwed by LA once (Shaq).  Why help them again? 

I still don't get WTF do superstars in their primes wanna come to the Lakers.  They know Kobe is gonna get all the credit.  Everyone in LA will just talk about Kobe's clutchness when he hogs the ball in the last 5 minutes while everyone else does the hard work for the other 45 minutes. 

1) different conference
2) Shaq did all right, in terms of publicity and non-basketball income
3) Yeah, Kobe is a problem. But CP3 shares his mindset at least. I can see those two figuring it out. We're all agreed that Paul can make anyone better, right?
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 08, 2011, 07:40:18 PM
What can the Clippers offer Orlando to get Dwight?  They need to go for broke if they finally want to mean something in this town. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 08, 2011, 07:43:17 PM
DeAndre Jordan + Eric Gordon would be a pretty solid deal I guess. 

I'd probably prefer Bynum and change if I was the Magic though.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 08, 2011, 07:50:37 PM
Eric Gordan is a badass talent though.  He's like John Wall with a better shot and more steady D.  The only concern is whether he can stay healthy since he's constantly battling bigger shooting guards. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 08, 2011, 07:52:17 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 08, 2011, 07:39:40 PM
We're all agreed that Paul can make anyone better, right?

David West would have made two All-Star teams on his own.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 08, 2011, 07:54:11 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 08, 2011, 07:39:40 PM
3) Yeah, Kobe is a problem. But CP3 shares his mindset at least. I can see those two figuring it out. We're all agreed that Paul can make anyone better, right?

Kobe's mindset is win or lose, I got to be the hero. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 08, 2011, 08:25:16 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on December 08, 2011, 07:54:11 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 08, 2011, 07:39:40 PM
3) Yeah, Kobe is a problem. But CP3 shares his mindset at least. I can see those two figuring it out. We're all agreed that Paul can make anyone better, right?

Kobe's mindset is win or lose, I got to be the hero. 

That's a point. Kobe is certainly uber-competitive but not in quite the same way as Paul perhaps.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 08, 2011, 08:26:15 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on December 08, 2011, 07:50:37 PM
Eric Gordan is a badass talent though.  He's like John Wall with a better shot and more steady D.  The only concern is whether he can stay healthy since he's constantly battling bigger shooting guards. 

He's a mass of muscle though...I agree his injury history is suspect but looking at him, I don't see why he'd necessarily get beat up by taller guards.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 08, 2011, 08:35:01 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 08, 2011, 07:38:02 PM
Quote from: pilonv1 on December 08, 2011, 07:32:57 PM
Ridiculous. I want the lockout back


You're a Warriors fan, right?

Hey, it's good for a young team to find out that they've all been on the trading block and not even get Tyson Chandler in return ... ;)

I'm not even salty about that, I didn't want to give up Curry.

Just that the Lakers get gifted a player from a team the NBA owns.

And then Stern craps on about "competitive balance". It's disgusting.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 08, 2011, 08:43:36 PM
haha

The Lakers are giving up two All-Star big men here. I'd still do the deal in a cocaine heartbeat if I were them, but let's not pretend it's a gift-wrapped present like when they got Gasol. They're still fucked if they have to rely on Bynum to give them major minutes every night.

If they get Howard for Bynum, of course...they're in awesome shape.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 08, 2011, 08:44:30 PM
Let's also recall that Paul essentially has veto power over any trade. He was always going to end up at one of the premier destinations - either a contender or a big market or both.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 08, 2011, 08:45:51 PM
Mark Cuban fucked himself pretty bad this year it seems, by holding out for the supposed 'free agent bonanza' next year (Howard, Paul, D-Will). None of those guys will still be on the board by then, it looks like, and he's let Chandler and Butler go so far, and Barea seems headed out too. His best hope now would seem to be bidding high for Nene.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 08, 2011, 08:52:34 PM
This deal only strikes me as good (in the short term) if they get Howard. If not, they just traded two all star big men for an all star PG. It's hard to see how this translates into a short term championship move without Howard or another good big man, unless Bynum reaches his potential/stays healthy/is consistent.

Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 08, 2011, 08:55:44 PM
Sounds like other NBA owners are as salty about this as pilonv1, and pushing for the league to rescind it. ESPN's Stein says it may not go through.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 08, 2011, 08:59:07 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 08, 2011, 08:55:44 PM
Sounds like other NBA owners are as salty about this as pilonv1, and pushing for the league to rescind it. ESPN's Stein says it may not go through.

lol
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 08, 2011, 09:09:32 PM
2 huge pieces that didn't help them avoid getting slaughtered by Dirk, JJ Barea and Jason Terry
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: benjipwns on December 08, 2011, 09:09:59 PM
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NBA owners have pushed commissioner David Stern to kill the deal sending Chris Paul to the Los Angeles Lakers, sources tell Y! Sports.
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The NBA is now pushing New Orleans GM Dell Demps to pull the plug on the trade and keep Chris Paul, league sources tell Y! Sports
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Trade with Lakers will NOT go through Friday and Chris Paul is expected in Hornets camp, according to sources
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One source close to the three-team Chris Paul trade talks just told http://ESPN.com : "The deal is off."
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This is crazy: Hearing the NBA (owner of New Orleans) vetoed the CP3 trade because it wasn't in the best interests in the league.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 08, 2011, 09:11:31 PM
Quote from: Count Drugula The Satanic on December 08, 2011, 08:57:24 PM
I'm not a fan of this move, all I see is Paul and Kobe getting "competitive" and costing some games. And how the fuck are the Lakers going to get Howard after they've already played their two big cards in return? 1st round raft pick? bitch please.

All this smells like Lakers trying to get some young great players before Kobe retires and leaves them high and dry.

Bynum is a very logical trade partner for Howard, although they'll have to add more to make the salaries equivalent (within 150% now...). May still happen.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 08, 2011, 09:12:02 PM
LOLKERS
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: benjipwns on December 08, 2011, 09:12:04 PM
Totally off now?
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The NBA has killed the proposed deal to send Chris Paul to the Los Angeles Lakers, league sources tell Yahoo! Sports.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 08, 2011, 09:13:14 PM
Really, what the Lakers should be doing is trading Kobe, keeping Gasol, Odom and Bynum and focusing on getting Paul and 2s and 3s of course but that'll never happen 'cause they'd get pilloried by insane-o fans
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: benjipwns on December 08, 2011, 09:17:32 PM
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The NBA has caved to pressure from owners that the appearance of this deal, on heels of lockout, had to be stopped, sources tell Y! Sports.
:lol today has been incredible
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 08, 2011, 09:20:31 PM
:elephant

Best day ever.  I'm going to dinner with a bunch of friends who are Lakers fans.  I'm sure they would have talked a lot of smack.  Now I'm gonna be the one laughing. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 08, 2011, 09:25:11 PM
The funny thing is that all of these owners are just pissy that it's the Lakers getting Paul.  When he's eventually traded and the Hornets net less than they would have otherwise it will be hilarious.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 08, 2011, 09:27:23 PM
Both Gasol and Odom are on the downslide.  Allowing the Lakers to trade two has-beens for arguably the best PG would have make the NBA look like the WWE.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: benjipwns on December 08, 2011, 09:28:15 PM
Cuban strikes again:
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Some owners pushed Stern to demand that trade be nullified, and the Hornets be made to keep Paul on the roster for the foreseeable future, sources said. Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban was one of the most vocal in a chorus of owners irate with the belief that the five-month lockout had happened largely to stop big-market teams from leveraging small-market teams for star players pending free agency.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: etiolate on December 08, 2011, 09:28:22 PM
The Hornets weren't netting much. If the Warriors would give up Curry then I'd rather have that than Kevin Martin.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 08, 2011, 09:29:58 PM
Quote from: etiolate on December 08, 2011, 09:28:22 PM
The Hornets weren't netting much. If the Warriors would give up Curry then I'd rather have that than Kevin Martin.

You will content yourself with your mediocre team's current make-up, plebian!
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 08, 2011, 09:30:32 PM
Never been so happy in my life  :kylielaff :kylielaff :kylielaff :kylielaff :kylielaff

(http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2011/07/01/sp-knbr03_PH_0503517170.jpg)

"You'll take Monta Ellis, Charlie Bell and Andris Biedrins and you'll like it."
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 08, 2011, 09:31:11 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on December 08, 2011, 09:25:11 PM
The funny thing is that all of these owners are just pissy that it's the Lakers getting Paul.  When he's eventually traded and the Hornets net less than they would have otherwise it will be hilarious.

Yeah. It's quite possible that they'll get nothing in return for Paul, after all. How that helps the league in any way is a mystery to me. But I can understand why they'd cave to pressure, today of all days. I mean they JUST signed the lockout away TODAY.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 08, 2011, 09:36:06 PM
If you're gonna rig the league, why not just give CP3 and Dwight to the Heat?  Then the Heat will truly be the bad guys. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 08, 2011, 09:37:03 PM
NBA needs a superpower in the West to fight back.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 08, 2011, 09:38:31 PM
Here's the problem.  If you're going to stop these small market teams from trading their stars away, then instead of getting stuff in return during their walk year the teams are going to start getting NOTHING, because super stars are not going to want to play in your shitty podunk white bread town when they can go play in LA, Miami and NYC.  That's a fact- these guys are going to go to the big market teams one way or another unless you actually institute slavery or something, which isn't very big these days.

So, trade them in their walk year and get something, even if that something is Odom and a pupu platter or get fucking nothing.  Gosh, that's a tough decision.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 08, 2011, 09:39:01 PM
 :lol

Hilarious story.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 08, 2011, 09:41:15 PM
Quote from: pilonv1 on December 08, 2011, 09:37:03 PM
NBA needs a superpower in the West to fight back.

In every good story, the heroes always have to fight against overwhelming odds.  It's why a heel is usually the champion for most of the year.   
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 08, 2011, 09:47:33 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on December 08, 2011, 09:38:31 PM
Here's the problem.  If you're going to stop these small market teams from trading their stars away, then instead of getting stuff in return during their walk year the teams are going to start getting NOTHING, because super stars are not going to want to play in your shitty podunk white bread town when they can go play in LA, Miami and NYC.  That's a fact- these guys are going to go to the big market teams one way or another unless you actually institute slavery or something, which isn't very big these days.

So, trade them in their walk year and get something, even if that something is Odom and a pupu platter or get fucking nothing.  Gosh, that's a tough decision.

No-one is going to stop this kind of trade getting done for any other team. The only issue here is that the Hornets are currently owned by the NBA, which raises all kinds of conflict-of-interest issues.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 08, 2011, 09:48:24 PM
...although it would be very fucking amusing indeed if the league did start applying this rule retroactively. The Lakers would probably be quite happy to get Marc Gasol back for Pau now :lol
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 08, 2011, 09:50:19 PM
Yeah as bad as that trade was 2 years ago it looks pretty good now.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 08, 2011, 09:50:50 PM
If the Lakers do indeed fail to get either CP3 or Dwight, I'm buying a pair of the ridiculously overpriced Lebrons to celebrate.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 08, 2011, 10:03:40 PM
I think Pau is just suffering from not being the most dominant personality type in the first place along with having his balls castrated by Kobe. It's insane they struggle to make that work. I do hope the Chris Paul trade goes through.

It's also funny to see how fast owner solidarity fell apart once it went back to actually competing.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 08, 2011, 10:22:24 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 08, 2011, 10:03:40 PM
I think Pau is just suffering from not being the most dominant personality type in the first place along with having his balls castrated by Kobe. It's insane they struggle to make that work. I do hope the Chris Paul trade goes through.

It's also funny to see how fast owner solidarity fell apart once it went back to actually competing.

Minor correction: Kobe stole Pau's nuts from Pau's girlfriend's handbag, then crushed them
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 08, 2011, 10:37:32 PM
this day just keeps getting better
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern kicks Kobe in the groin)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 08, 2011, 11:14:07 PM
Well, don't go opening that champagne just yet. Now that Odom and Pau know that the Lakers were prepared to ditch them, they may as well go ahead and throw everything they have at the Dwight Howard trade. The Lakers will still likely come out of this smelling like roses. Paul may still join up down the road, even.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Revenge of the Heat)
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 08, 2011, 11:16:30 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 08, 2011, 09:47:33 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on December 08, 2011, 09:38:31 PM
Here's the problem.  If you're going to stop these small market teams from trading their stars away, then instead of getting stuff in return during their walk year the teams are going to start getting NOTHING, because super stars are not going to want to play in your shitty podunk white bread town when they can go play in LA, Miami and NYC.  That's a fact- these guys are going to go to the big market teams one way or another unless you actually institute slavery or something, which isn't very big these days.

So, trade them in their walk year and get something, even if that something is Odom and a pupu platter or get fucking nothing.  Gosh, that's a tough decision.

No-one is going to stop this kind of trade getting done for any other team. The only issue here is that the Hornets are currently owned by the NBA, which raises all kinds of conflict-of-interest issues.

Kinda sorta, but the problem still remains for anyone who might want to buy the team:  Paul is NOT coming back next year.  Do you get something for him or let him walk and get jack shit?  The longer you wait to pull the trigger the less you get, too.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern kicks Kobe in the groin)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 08, 2011, 11:17:34 PM
I hate the idea that now trades have to be acceptable apparently to owners not even involved in the deal. And the NBA is the one responsible since they took over the team and haven't been able to sell it. I feel sorry for Chris Paul.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern kicks Kobe in the groin)
Post by: benjipwns on December 08, 2011, 11:20:51 PM
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To listen to the GM's, coaches, players, agents reaching out to me tonight: I think the NBA has changed forever with Stern's act tonight.
Well, that's good news.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern kicks Kobe in the groin)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 08, 2011, 11:23:34 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 08, 2011, 11:17:34 PM
I hate the idea that now trades have to be acceptable apparently to owners not even involved in the deal. And the NBA is the one responsible since they took over the team and haven't been able to sell it. I feel sorry for Chris Paul.

Well, today of all days, I can understand the owners being hyper-sensitive to it. I mean, they just sat down and signed a new CBA. No doubt Stern had to make all kinds of promises to the small market teams to get that done. You're right that the other owners shouldn't get a vote though, so long as the deal is legal under the CBA, and both parties are willing. Stern should have listened to the protests, smoothed over the ruffled feathers, and then (as John Hollinger said) quietly had Kevin Martin or someone 'fail' their physical and nix the trade that way :lol

I don't know how this could really be avoided though. There was ALWAYS going to be a firesale in New Orleans, once the owners walked away. It's the only way it can work (and why this is a poor example of Creepy Old Guy's point). Someone was always going to walk off with Chris Paul, and the chances are it was going to be a contender or a big market team, since Paul had the veto. How else could this have played out and been 'fair' to ALL the owners?
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern kicks Kobe in the groin)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 08, 2011, 11:31:29 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 08, 2011, 11:23:34 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 08, 2011, 11:17:34 PM
I hate the idea that now trades have to be acceptable apparently to owners not even involved in the deal. And the NBA is the one responsible since they took over the team and haven't been able to sell it. I feel sorry for Chris Paul.

Well, today of all days, I can understand the owners being hyper-sensitive to it. I mean, they just sat down and signed a new CBA. No doubt Stern had to make all kinds of promises to the small market teams to get that done. You're right that the other owners shouldn't get a vote though, so long as the deal is legal under the CBA, and both parties are willing. Stern should have listened to the protests, smoothed over the ruffled feathers, and then (as John Hollinger said) quietly had Kevin Martin or someone 'fail' their physical and nix the trade that way :lol

I don't know how this could really be avoided though. There was ALWAYS going to be a firesale in New Orleans, once the owners walked away. It's the only way it can work (and why this is a poor example of Creepy Old Guy's point). Someone was always going to walk off with Chris Paul, and the chances are it was going to be a contender or a big market team, since Paul had the veto. How else could this have played out and been 'fair' to ALL the owners?

I'm really ready for Stern to go. It's one thing to have a benevolent dictator which stern has always tried to foster the image of but this is starting to feel like the final days of Castro or something where he's still trying to pretend he's the wise old dictator of old.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern kicks Kobe in the groin)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 08, 2011, 11:39:53 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 08, 2011, 11:17:34 PM
I hate the idea that now trades have to be acceptable apparently to owners not even involved in the deal. And the NBA is the one responsible since they took over the team and haven't been able to sell it. I feel sorry for Chris Paul.

The owners are in the deal, each of them own a part of the Hornets currently

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The NBA announced today the finalization of their proposed takeover of the New Orleans Hornets. Officially, the league's 29 other teams purchased the Hornets from majority owner George Shinn.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern kicks Kobe in the groin)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 08, 2011, 11:53:30 PM
I know. That's my point. You can't have a team run as a puppet team. Either the team can function as a separate unit or it can't. But what shouldn't happen is the league running them to not inconvience other teams. If they can't do that then just contract them.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern kicks Kobe in the groin)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 08, 2011, 11:55:42 PM
They can't possibly be allowed input into basketball decisions like this though - it's a huge conflict of interests. (although I guess the Lakers would have voted 'yes' :lol)

Stern is really screwed on this one. What trade DOES he allow now, that won't look similarly unfair? If he lets Paul go to the Knicks, say, a nation of Lakers fans will turn against him permanently. If he lets Paul fester on the Hornets, he looks bad for the whole season.

The Hornets' management must feel totally screwed, having brokered a pretty solid deal. Now they have to start all over again but noone knows what the criteria are. Who is going to want to trade with them, knowing that Stern might rescind it again? (probably after the news has gone public, by which point your relationship with your own players in the deal has soured...)
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern kicks Kobe in the groin)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 09, 2011, 12:00:39 AM
Yep. What's the criteria for a trade. That it doesn't offend anyone. That it doesn't involve one superstar joining another. That it doesn't involve a star team. That a league owned team can't make any trades. What is the specific reason that this trade can't go through is what I would like to hear from Stern.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern kicks Kobe in the groin)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 09, 2011, 12:13:05 AM
Just to be clear I'm annoyed with this from a logic and FairPlay sense.


From an entertainment value and drama sense it's still the funniest thing that's happened in ages. And nobody deserves to get screwed more than the Lakers whether it's right or wrong.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern kicks Kobe in the groin)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 09, 2011, 12:42:39 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=At_MCea0tR2fjoZ6_q4Uws28vLYF?slug=aw-wojnarowski_chris_paul_lakers_hornets_nba_120811

Dan Gilbert weighs in!

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Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern kicks Kobe in the groin)
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 09, 2011, 12:58:38 AM
Money quote here:

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“We were all told by the league he was a trade-able player, and now they’re saying that Dell doesn’t have the authority to make the trade?” said an NBA executive who had periodic talks with New Orleans throughout the process. “Now, they’re saying that Dell is an idiot, that he can’t do it his job. [Expletive] this whole thing. David’s drunk on power, and he doesn’t give a [expletive] about the players, and he doesn’t give a [expletive] about the hundreds of hours the teams put in to make that deal.

Just now noticing, are we?
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern kicks Kobe in the groin)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 09, 2011, 12:58:57 AM
I wish you hadn't posted that. It just made me more angry to read it. Fuck Stern.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern kicks Kobe in the groin)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 09, 2011, 01:04:41 AM
Howard asking for a trade to the Nets?

http://www.sbnation.com/2011-nba-free-agency/2011/12/9/2622858/dwight-howard-new-jersey-nets-nba-rumors-orlando-magic

Lopez, Turkoglu etc would presumably be part of the deal. Howard and D-Will, a new stadium and an owner prepared to spend big - could well work out better than the Knicks IMHO.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern kicks Kobe in the groin)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 09, 2011, 01:07:01 AM
I'm really thinking it's time for Stern to go. He really can't keep his thumb on the scales like this. He isn't really needed 'til the next CBA. He should get the i's dotted on this deal and GTFO, and reinstate the CP3 trade on the way out. Screw Dan Gilbert as well - the guy is irrational. No f'ing way was this lockout about 'competitive balance' - a pipedream unless you have like 4 teams, all with the same budget. It was about the owners wanting more money, end of story.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern kicks Kobe in the groin)
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 09, 2011, 01:13:32 AM
It was time for Stern to go roughly five-ten years ago.  He's easily the worst commissioner in all of sports.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern kicks Kobe in the groin)
Post by: etiolate on December 09, 2011, 01:30:04 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on December 09, 2011, 01:13:32 AM
It was time for Stern to go roughly five-ten years ago.  He's easily the worst commissioner in all of sports.

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The fact that this move is causing outrage towards Stern is... shaaaaaameful.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern kicks Kobe in the groin)
Post by: Mandark on December 09, 2011, 01:32:32 AM
So while I wasn't paying attention, the NBA turned into a fantasy league where the owners get to veto trades.

Faaaaaaaaantastic.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern kicks Kobe in the groin)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 09, 2011, 02:29:43 AM


Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on December 09, 2011, 01:13:32 AM
It was time for Stern to go roughly five-ten years ago.  He's easily the worst commissioner in all of sports.

This further confirms that you don't follow hockey.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern kicks Kobe in the groin)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 09, 2011, 02:37:24 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7329584/nba-alters-emphasis-shooting-fouls-2011-12

I like most of the rules changes.  However, they probably still won't be applied to superstars. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern kicks Kobe in the groin)
Post by: Mandark on December 09, 2011, 02:44:14 AM
I would hate to be the ref who has to judge, in real time at NBA speed, whether contact was initiated before or after a shooting (or layup) motion while a player was flying towards the basket.

The new rule on rip-throughs sounds good, though.  I'd like to see a similar tweak for when the defender gets faked into the air and the shooter leans forward to create contact.  Not sure what the letter of the law is, but the way it's called tends to reward cynical non-shots once you get your man off his feet.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern kicks Kobe in the groin)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 09, 2011, 02:45:19 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on December 09, 2011, 02:37:24 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7329584/nba-alters-emphasis-shooting-fouls-2011-12

I like most of the rules changes.  However, they probably still won't be applied to superstars.

Quote
Rip-through" moves, in which an offensive player swings the ball into a defender's outstretched arm and then attempts a shot once he has created contact, will be considered non-shooting fouls if the contact begins before the offensive player starts his shooting motion.

Also, on drives to the basket, a shooting foul will be called only if contact occurs after the offensive player has begun his shooting motion, not after he has initiated his leap toward the basket.

"Certain types of contact involving the shooter were all being called in his favor," Jackson said. "It doesn't look good for the game. There was a strong feeling that those types of plays were creating an ill-advised reward for the shooter, often with three free throws."

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The league will also make traveling in the post and on the perimeter a point of emphasis, with a player hopping off of and landing on the same foot viewed as an automatic violation.

The league continues to go after the Miami Heat. tsc. tsc.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern kicks Kobe in the groin)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 09, 2011, 02:47:34 AM
The swing through move is more about Kobe though. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern kicks Kobe in the groin)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 09, 2011, 02:52:56 AM
Wade does it a TON though, often in transition.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern kicks Kobe in the groin)
Post by: etiolate on December 09, 2011, 04:25:34 AM
Kobe will still get his calls. This hurts Maggette and Martin and others.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern kicks Kobe in the groin)
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 09, 2011, 10:08:07 AM
League's really sticking it to Kobe today.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern kicks Kobe in the groin)
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 09, 2011, 11:08:53 AM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on December 09, 2011, 02:29:43 AM


Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on December 09, 2011, 01:13:32 AM
It was time for Stern to go roughly five-ten years ago.  He's easily the worst commissioner in all of sports.

This further confirms that you don't follow hockey.

I said sports, not whatever it is you vodka snorting atheists do on skates.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern kicks Kobe in the groin)
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 09, 2011, 12:47:57 PM
LOL, Stern said this morning that the reason he nixed the trade was because Chris Paul was too important to the Hornets and it was more valuable to the league to keep him in New Orleans than to let him be traded. Uh...right. :lol In 7 months, is he going to force him to resign with the Hornets?
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern kicks Kobe in the groin)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 09, 2011, 01:46:02 PM
Stern is getting slammed on this big time. Good.

It won't happen but this is resign worthy imo.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Himu on December 09, 2011, 04:40:54 PM
I'm not sure if Gasol is worth losing both martin and scola. I mean, theoretically, speaking, it could be a good team if they based it around gasol and billups but...I'm not sure about that trade.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Mandark on December 09, 2011, 05:37:25 PM
I think Houston was meant to be freeing up salary so they could offer a max deal to Nene and team him up with Pau.

Seriously, I hope the league gets enough shit from this that Stern relents, and they have the Lakers add a conditional pick or some other kind of fig leaf so they can pretend the new deal is somehow different.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Himu on December 09, 2011, 05:39:39 PM
Yeah, Houston is trying to get Nene. But if Houston didn't get Nene I'd be curious about the team's state
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Mandark on December 09, 2011, 05:52:38 PM
They'd still have a ton of cap room for next offseason, I assume, and could go after D-Will.

The Rockets seem to be a really well-run franchise, but they're a good illustration of how hard it is to become a contender without lucking into a superstar through the draft.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Himu on December 09, 2011, 05:59:54 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 09, 2011, 05:52:38 PM
They'd still have a ton of cap room for next offseason, I assume, and could go after D-Will.

The Rockets seem to be a really well-run franchise, but they're a good illustration of how hard it is to become a contender without lucking into a superstar through the draft.

definitely
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 09, 2011, 07:39:33 PM
I was going to go on a mini-Joe Dumars rant concerning the resigning of Tayshawn Prince, but I see the Pistons are dumping Rip Hamilton so I'll give him a pass
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: benjipwns on December 09, 2011, 07:40:21 PM
They aren't even using the amnesty on him, he agreed to a buyout.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 10, 2011, 01:17:34 AM
Starting to look like Stern will bend and allow the Paul trade anyway, with a few face-saving alterations. The Celtics seem to have inveigled themselves into the proceedings, and may get David West (and dump J O'Neal) out of it, which is nice...wouldn't mind if the Lakers are forced to give up more now either :teehee. They're in a bad situation now, with Odom clearly pissed and no doubt Gasol furious as well.

Still very disappointed at the Mavs not even keeping last year's team together. Really really hard to see Dirk repeating without major-league help. The Heat are practically guaranteed to be much stronger, with the ability to give a mid-level exception to someone good, then pick up an amnesty tax victim on waivers, not to mention getting Haslem back and potentially dropping Mike Miller via the amnesty clause to free up cap space...
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 10, 2011, 01:38:54 AM
(http://www.imgnook.com/E4Mo.gif)
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Himu on December 10, 2011, 01:40:35 AM
:lol
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: etiolate on December 10, 2011, 05:19:33 AM
The thing that became really apparent from this fiasco is that the press is way too deep into the hands of players and their agents. This outrage at Stern for doing something that was preventing a trade that damaged the league image is not really in line with all the shit Stern has done over the years and hasn't been taken to task for. Fuck over any market you want, make the league a joke internationally, don't hold your refs accountable, have a gambling and mafia problem with your refs, but dear god, don't tell the Golden Boy "no"!

The second thing learned is that Demps was a bad choice. The third thing learned was that they should have stayed in the lockout, but I knew that.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 10, 2011, 07:12:48 AM
They also love Morey so no one was going to rip him for trading for old busted Gasol. Us press is disgusting.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: etiolate on December 10, 2011, 07:34:07 AM
Yeah I get the feeling that everytime Simmons mentioned an upset executive that he meant Morey.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Mandark on December 10, 2011, 02:49:59 PM
Scola is a few months older than Gasol?  smh @ you guys.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Beezy on December 10, 2011, 03:34:39 PM
Tyson Chandler is officially a Knick.  :)
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 10, 2011, 04:07:09 PM
Quote from: Beezy on December 10, 2011, 03:34:39 PM
Tyson Chandler is officially a Knick.  :)

If they could somehow trade Amare for Paul or something they would have a really great team imo. As long as Chandler can stay healthy this should improve their team no matter how you cut it though.

Not sure what exactly Mark Cuban is doing unless he's waiting to make some secret big splash.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 10, 2011, 06:07:04 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 10, 2011, 04:07:09 PM
Not sure what exactly Mark Cuban is doing unless he's waiting to make some secret big splash.

According to Cuban he just couldn't keep his free agents under the new deal, he was having to offer them one year deals and there was no reason for any of them to take that.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 10, 2011, 07:13:05 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 10, 2011, 04:07:09 PM
Quote from: Beezy on December 10, 2011, 03:34:39 PM
Tyson Chandler is officially a Knick.  :)

If they could somehow trade Amare for Paul or something they would have a really great team imo. As long as Chandler can stay healthy this should improve their team no matter how you cut it though.

Not sure what exactly Mark Cuban is doing unless he's waiting to make some secret big splash.

There were apparently scenarios discussed in which the Knicks would use their amnesty on Amar'e and use the cap space for a sign and trade. Instead they used the amnesty on Billups (which will likely mean he ends up going to a contender as well, since he is telling all this crappy teams that he basically won't play for them...).

Cuban published an email saying that he's all about creating cap space flexibility this year. After all these years of careless abandon, I have to say this is a WEIRD FUCKIN' TIME FOR CAP DISCIPLINE, CUBES
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 10, 2011, 11:37:37 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Mr3WR.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: etiolate on December 10, 2011, 11:39:52 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 10, 2011, 07:13:05 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 10, 2011, 04:07:09 PM
Quote from: Beezy on December 10, 2011, 03:34:39 PM
Tyson Chandler is officially a Knick.  :)

If they could somehow trade Amare for Paul or something they would have a really great team imo. As long as Chandler can stay healthy this should improve their team no matter how you cut it though.

Not sure what exactly Mark Cuban is doing unless he's waiting to make some secret big splash.

There were apparently scenarios discussed in which the Knicks would use their amnesty on Amar'e and use the cap space for a sign and trade. Instead they used the amnesty on Billups (which will likely mean he ends up going to a contender as well, since he is telling all this crappy teams that he basically won't play for them...).

Cuban published an email saying that he's all about creating cap space flexibility this year. After all these years of careless abandon, I have to say this is a WEIRD FUCKIN' TIME FOR CAP DISCIPLINE, CUBES

Maybe he wants a chance at Deron
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 11, 2011, 12:28:54 AM
Deron says he's 90% certain he'll re-up with the Nets so that would appear to be a long shot. He also mentioned specifically that Chandler would need to be on the Mavs for him to be interested, I think.

Plus, if Howard goes to the Nets, Deron is staying surely. All in all, I expect all three of those guys to be off the board by next summer (D-Will, Howard, Paul). Although the kicker is that they can and likely will all opt out to take advantage of more beneficial terms offered by the new CBA, giving a crack of daylight for the Mavs and other suitors. But the incumbent teams really should have them locked up by then.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 11, 2011, 12:30:13 AM
oh yeah, latest news - CP3 to Lakers is off again, as the Lakers have pulled out and are sending Odom to the Mavs. See, I toldja they'd have to trade him. Good spot of bargain hunting there by the Mavs, I guess. Odom can spell Dirk pretty well I think.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Mandark on December 11, 2011, 02:04:39 AM
Just for a trade exception?  Hm.  What are the rules on how those can be used in conjunction with other things in trades?  IIRC, you can't throw them into a player-for-player trade to take on a bigger salary, but I don't know any of the rules anymore.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: etiolate on December 11, 2011, 02:13:50 AM
I think they work similar to how having a player with that salary would work.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Mandark on December 11, 2011, 02:31:25 AM
https://webfiles.uci.edu/lcoon/cbafaq/salarycap.htm#Q75

Looks like a trade exception can't be combined with a player to get back a player with a higher salary.  That's from a FAQ about the last CBA, but considering all the changes were in the direction of restricting payrolls and player movements, I'd be very surprised if that changed in the new deal.

So the Lakers couldn't package this with Bynum to make the money work in a deal for Howard, for instance.  But they could add it into a trade for Howard to take back a similar contract (Hedo?) that Orlando was looking to dump.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: etiolate on December 11, 2011, 02:33:55 AM
I think Hedo is about 2 mill more per year than the trade exception for Odom.

Hedo's contract plus Howard's new contract would probably begin to kill LA with luxury tax rules in a couple years. I guess they can afford it though.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 11, 2011, 04:34:15 AM
LOLKERS

Mavs are going to be tough this year.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 11, 2011, 07:01:29 AM
Someone is going to make out LIKE A BANDIT on the Chris Paul trade now, no matter what Stern says. I can see the Clippers being given a pass from Stern just because they've sucked for so long. If they can get him without giving up Griffin (not on the table but anyway) or Gordon (could be the best 2 guard in the league in a few short years), the Clippers will be fuckawesome in no time. They'd probably be my most-watched team on League Pass if that came off.

All this shit is TOO CRAZY! Can't believe the games start in 2 weeks and everyone is still running around like headless chickens :lol
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: etiolate on December 11, 2011, 07:13:16 AM
Gordon and parts for Paul is way better than what the Hornets were being offered before.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 11, 2011, 07:51:10 AM
from the standpoint of rebuilding, yes. From the point of view of winning games at a reasonable price? Hell no. They were being given 3 quality starters and a backup PG. That's practically a whole team.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: etiolate on December 11, 2011, 09:16:21 AM
stuck in the middle sort of team is the worst place to be

any fanbase thats been through it would rather go through the rebuild
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Akala on December 11, 2011, 10:04:11 AM
hornets  :(
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 11, 2011, 01:41:42 PM
The Mavs are in talks to sign Bob Pettit to lower the team's average age.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Mandark on December 11, 2011, 02:29:28 PM
Hard to see the Hornets getting a better deal for Paul.  They could have either been a playoff team with the haul he brought or flipped those assets for draft picks and prospects in separate deals (where getting equal value is a lot more viable than in one trade involving a superstar).

They're still under a ton of pressure to get something for him before he leaves, and in the NBA there's usually one sucker at the table, so Demps might pull something out of a hat yet.  Still, complete screwjob by Stern.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 11, 2011, 07:46:12 PM
Fuuuuuuck, the Pacers have stolen David West away from under the Celtics' noses. This pre-season is complete fucking chaos. How any teams are managing a proper training camp is beyond me. No-one knows where anybody is going.  Also, no word on League Pass yet :(
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 11, 2011, 09:32:25 PM
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7342778/if-no-new-york-knicks-los-angeles-lakers-chris-paul-wants-los-angeles-clippers

Holy shit if Clips can pick up CP3 without giving up Eric Gordan.  Go Clippers!
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 11, 2011, 10:22:00 PM
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7341879/los-angeles-lakers-kobe-bryant-talks-losing-lamar-odom-it

WTF, Kobe is getting pissed at Lakers for making deals that better prepare them for the future.  Really expected more from the "greatest" Laker of all time. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2011, 10:27:32 PM
He's concerned about the present, and why shouldn't he be? He doesn't have much time left. If they can't Howard their offseason is going to look pretty shitty
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 11, 2011, 10:33:53 PM
Without good teammates, Kobe's decline and inconsistency will soon be exposed anyway.  Lakers might as well trade Kobe too while he still has the rep. 

Think NY will do a straight up trade of Melo for Kobe?
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2011, 10:34:51 PM
hahahaha can't wait to see kobe's decline
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 11, 2011, 10:35:02 PM
 ::)
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2011, 10:35:59 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on December 11, 2011, 10:33:53 PM
Think NY will do a straight up trade of Melo for Kobe?

no
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Mandark on December 11, 2011, 11:02:18 PM
Oh panicky, entitled Lakers fans, never change!
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Mandark on December 11, 2011, 11:12:46 PM
I'm just enjoying your freak-out, man.  Keep it coming!
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 11, 2011, 11:24:24 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on December 11, 2011, 11:19:58 PM
With that said, how many millions has he made off the back of Kobe Bryant over the last 15 years?
He has been paid $200,000,000 by them and earned many millions more in endorsements by being a member of the Lakers (as opposed to, for example, the Hornets). He isn't owed anything. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Mandark on December 11, 2011, 11:30:07 PM
Also, he's got five championships thanks to the great big men they've brought in to play with him.  This isn't like the Timberwolves having to let KG free after wasting years of his prime.

The funny thing to me is that the offseason isn't over, the Lakers' alleged #1 target (Dwight Howard) hasn't been traded yet, there hasn't been any statement from the front office that they did this to save money and won't use the exception to bring in a player, the deal they just had vetoed showed they were very much looking to add top talent, and yet a ton of LA fans are still assuming the worst possible scenario and getting viscerally angry about it.

It's like the fanbase can't tolerate even a few days of the offseason with the roster being less than what it could be.  Yeesh.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 11, 2011, 11:33:30 PM
Without the Lakers' great management + huge bankroll and asskissing LA media like Adande,  Kobe would have just been a taller Iverson and had a similar early decline due to constant double-teaming and a reluctance to pass.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 12, 2011, 12:04:21 AM
Yeah, the Chris Paul/Dwight Howard thing is a logjam holding everything up. When those guys finally move, everyone else will move very quickly afterward (and they'll have to). That's where the REAL crazy overpaying/crazy bargains will come from.

I guess everyone is frozen by the prospect of Stern stepping in again, not to mention the uncertainties with the new rules.  Can we all call him David Ex Machina from now on?

Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 12, 2011, 12:05:14 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on December 11, 2011, 11:35:02 PM
You're right. Basically all this doom and gloom from Lakers fans is based on a few tweets from Bresnahan and Woj that characterized this as a salary dump and not as the first step towards a larger trade.

The thing is, it can't really work as the first step towards a trade for Howard, and getting Paul now seems out of the question. So what they can turn this into is somewhat beyond me.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 12, 2011, 12:17:43 AM
Keep in mind that Buss has always been cheap when he feels that it's not a championship year.  For example, look at his coach hirings when the Lakers weren't one of the favorites. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 12, 2011, 12:37:34 AM
I wonder how long Mike Brown will last
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 12, 2011, 01:20:43 AM
Celtics, mainly but I usually have 2 or 3 that I follow pretty religiously. I watch a LOT of games.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Mandark on December 12, 2011, 01:21:16 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 12, 2011, 12:05:14 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on December 11, 2011, 11:35:02 PM
You're right. Basically all this doom and gloom from Lakers fans is based on a few tweets from Bresnahan and Woj that characterized this as a salary dump and not as the first step towards a larger trade.

The thing is, it can't really work as the first step towards a trade for Howard, and getting Paul now seems out of the question. So what they can turn this into is somewhat beyond me.

It could still be an asset towards getting Howard in a 3+ team trade.  Might still wind up being a salary dump, if they figured that last year showed they can't win with this core anymore and need something drastic as a boost (hence going after Paul and Howard).
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: benjipwns on December 12, 2011, 03:50:04 AM
Looks like Paul is headed to LA after all:
Quote
Clippers are close to deal for Chris Paul with Hornets

The deal hasn't been completed, but both sides were in the closing stages of the negotiations.

The Clippers would send the Hornets center Chris Kaman, backup second-year guard Eric Bledsoe, second-year forward Al-Farouq Aminu and the No. 1 draft pick they got from the Minnesota Timberwolves that is unprotected in the 2012 draft, considered to be one of the best in recent years.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-clippers-20111212,0,2925892.story
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 12, 2011, 06:34:25 AM
Oh man, the Clippers could actually come out of the west with that line-up. Fuckawesome :bow

They're keeping DeAndre Jordan, Griffin, Gordon and adding Chris Paul and Caron Butler. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. That is one killer starting 5 and will be fun as hell to watch.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 12, 2011, 11:13:30 AM
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7342778/los-angeles-clippers-deal-new-orleans-hornets-chris-paul-submitted-nba-source-says

I hope it isn't true that Gordon must be part of the deal.  Although good SGs are easier to find than pure PGs, Clippers won't be bad enough with Paul and Griffin to get another high draft pick as usual. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 12, 2011, 11:26:55 AM
I'm not so sure that Sterling isn't trying to save money by trading Gordon so that he wouldn't have to resign him and getting CP3 so that he'd only have to pay him for 2 yrs.  It's not beneath him to pretend like he cares a little about winning so that fans would buy tickets.  Basically it's all Sterling has ever done since owning the Clippers.  Dude is so cheap that Dunleavy had to sue him for back pay (Dunleavy won, btw).
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: etiolate on December 12, 2011, 11:40:56 AM
Looks like NO got offered a better deal for CP3
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 12, 2011, 11:48:37 AM
Yeah, I think it makes more sense for NO to get a top tier talent than a bunch of good players.  With just one great talent, Hornets will be bad enough to have another high draft pick next year insteading of barely contending for the 8th seed. 

Everyone raves about John Wall's athleticism, which is indeed incredible but a quick check of combine results show that Gordon exceeded Wall in every category.  This could be a trade that Clippers would regret for years if Gordon figures out how to dominate in ways other than scoring. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Mandark on December 12, 2011, 01:07:00 PM
Conflicting reports on whether Gordon's part of the deal, which is rather a huge piece.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 12, 2011, 04:02:17 PM
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7345461/new-orleans-hornets-chris-paul-los-angeles-clippers-trade-dies-price-too-high-sources-say

And Stern fucks us again. Somebody kick him in the nads please.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 12, 2011, 05:46:40 PM
This makes no fucking sense.  None.  New Orleans either must deal Paul NOW in order to extract maximum value, or get FUCKING NOTHING for him at the end of the season.  Stern and the owners are fucking mongoloid distinguished mentally-challenged fellows.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Beezy on December 12, 2011, 05:54:04 PM
I really want to see a good Clippers team. Stern needs to stop fucking around.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 12, 2011, 05:55:38 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on December 12, 2011, 05:46:40 PM
This makes no fucking sense.  None.  New Orleans either must deal Paul NOW in order to extract maximum value, or get FUCKING NOTHING for him at the end of the season.  Stern and the owners are fucking mongoloid distinguished mentally-challenged fellows.

This is all just setting the stage for Chris Paul going to the Mavericks.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Mandark on December 12, 2011, 06:44:47 PM
So the NBA takes over the Hornets, appoints Denby as a caretaker GM.  He manages to swing a deal that gets New Orleans the best haul maybe ever for a disgruntled star in his last year, only to get overruled.  So he tries to put something together with the Clippers, only he has less leverage because 1) the Lakers aren't bidding the price up, and 2) everyone knows the league is now desperate to trade Paul and save face/avoid legal action.  Only that gets shot down by the league too.

I don't see how this could go any smoother!

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Still might happen.  If it's the MIN pick + Gordon, I'd say huge win for the Hornets.  If it's just the pick and a couple of young bench players, meh.
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Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 12, 2011, 07:56:51 PM
This is utter chaos. This season is gonna be SO WEIRD. Chris Paul must be disconsolate.

btw, League Pass seems to be rebranding as NBA.TV. Got the sign-up mail today. Sounds hot (HD only! All DVR features available to everyone! Team Pass!) but no pricing details just yet.

If I were Pat Riley, I'd try REAL HARD to do a straight-up swap of Paul for Chris Bosh. Just fucking do it, worry about your center later. Turn LeBron into an off-the-ball force/pick-and-roll artist a la Malone and the title is yours even with Haslem and Joel Anthony. How many games did Bosh win for them anyway? How many would Paul win for them?
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 12, 2011, 08:37:43 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 12, 2011, 07:56:51 PM
This is utter chaos. This season is gonna be SO WEIRD. Chris Paul must be disconsolate.

btw, League Pass seems to be rebranding as NBA.TV. Got the sign-up mail today. Sounds hot (HD only! All DVR features available to everyone! Team Pass!) but no pricing details just yet.

If I were Pat Riley, I'd try REAL HARD to do a straight-up swap of Paul for Chris Bosh. Just fucking do it, worry about your center later. Turn LeBron into an off-the-ball force/pick-and-roll artist a la Malone and the title is yours even with Haslem and Joel Anthony. How many games did Bosh win for  them anyway? How many would Paul win for them?

I've said for awhile now to friends that the smartest move Miami could make is to trade Bosh for somebody else who actually complements that team. Could you imagine the Heat with Chandler instead of Bosh.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Mandark on December 12, 2011, 08:42:02 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 12, 2011, 07:56:51 PM
If I were Pat Riley, I'd try REAL HARD to do a straight-up swap of Paul for Chris Bosh. Just fucking do it, worry about your center later. Turn LeBron into an off-the-ball force/pick-and-roll artist a la Malone and the title is yours even with Haslem and Joel Anthony. How many games did Bosh win for them anyway? How many would Paul win for them?

Can you imagine just how apoplectic Dan Gilbert would be?  The letter he'd write?  There wouldn't be a sans comic enough.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 12, 2011, 08:52:25 PM
LeBron is past being coachable, no one has ever told him what to do and they certainly aren't starting now.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 12, 2011, 08:55:35 PM
So...Vince Carter. What's he got left in the tank?
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Himu on December 12, 2011, 08:56:21 PM
Houston is trying to score Marc Gasol since the Pau Gasol trade didn't go through. Hope a deal works out cuz we need a center.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 12, 2011, 09:02:59 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on December 12, 2011, 08:50:33 PM
I just want to see the look on MIAMI HEAT SUPERSTAR CHRIS BOSH'S face when they trade him after a year of Lebron being there, so yeah, I'm all for any trade.

Hopefully they'll tell him just before a game and escort him to the locker room
(http://twanatells.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Chris-bosh-crying11.gif)
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2011, 09:19:11 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 12, 2011, 08:55:35 PM
So...Vince Carter. What's he got left in the tank?

He brings passion, toughness, and planking.

(http://api.ning.com/files/A2GGJZhkbJ20LTEhLGXxms9Kee2xV1nPpUHH5Or5Y*dnaFyEIktH23voORiPNCDTwfmG1rUpi1zKZaTJRRPeVFUMT9QM9S-4/VCOUT.jpg)
(http://www.maccabifans.co.il/forum/uploads/post-11-1168408747.jpg)
(http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/visual/whatshot/vince-carter.jpg)
(http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Vince+Carter+Phoenix+Suns+v+Boston+Celtics+Ll9RjftuXdCl.jpg)

He can still hit threes.  :-\
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 12, 2011, 09:21:41 PM
:lol
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 12, 2011, 09:22:52 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on December 12, 2011, 08:41:37 PM
I'd trade LeBron for Paul straight up. Wade + Paul + Bosh = Not 3, not 4, not 5...

lol wut

Lest we forget, Paul has no knees. He was shit throughout the regular season last year, and only managed to turn it up for one lousy playoff series to remind us all of how good he could be. Over the next 4 or 5 years, you want LeBron all the way.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 12, 2011, 09:26:02 PM
LeBron is the best player in the NBA, why the hell would you trade him? He's not even in his prime
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Himu on December 12, 2011, 09:26:31 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2011, 09:19:11 PM
vince carter

:rofl
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2011, 09:28:17 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 12, 2011, 09:22:52 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on December 12, 2011, 08:41:37 PM
I'd trade LeBron for Paul straight up. Wade + Paul + Bosh = Not 3, not 4, not 5...

lol wut

His love for Kobe blinds him to LeBron's greatness. That or during the finals he only watched LeBron play in the 4th quarter.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 12, 2011, 09:38:20 PM
Yup.  I still don't know why Lakers fans are so obssessed with Lebron.  Whenever I ask them why they hate Lebron, they always say it has nothing to do with Kobe's legacy. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 12, 2011, 09:42:34 PM
I'll be honest, before he's done Lebron might be a better player than Kobe but I expect him to have fewer championships.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: etiolate on December 12, 2011, 09:43:06 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 12, 2011, 06:44:47 PM
So the NBA takes over the Hornets, appoints Denby as a caretaker GM.  He manages to swing a deal that gets New Orleans the best haul maybe ever for a disgruntled star in his last year, only to get overruled.  So he tries to put something together with the Clippers, only he has less leverage because 1) the Lakers aren't bidding the price up, and 2) everyone knows the league is now desperate to trade Paul and save face/avoid legal action.  Only that gets shot down by the league too.

I don't see how this could go any smoother!

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Still might happen.  If it's the MIN pick + Gordon, I'd say huge win for the Hornets.  If it's just the pick and a couple of young bench players, meh.
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The Clipps offer, even without Gordon, is way better than the mess NO would be in with the Lakers deal. "Flexible pieces" is a joke. Odom just got traded for nothing. Even with the initial Clip offer w/o Gordon, you get a lottery pick from Minny and NO falls enough to get a lottery pick of their own. You basically get four first rounders out of the Clipper trade, plus Kaman's expiring which puts you in hte position of only needing to flip one piece instead of multiple pieces that have degrading value.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Mandark on December 12, 2011, 09:44:37 PM
Sounds like you understand perfectly well why they hate LeBron.  Eight or so years ago T-Mac was considered the biggest threat (anyone who skimmed the old GAF NBA thread back then can vouch for this).  I know a Kobe fan IRL who started pimping Chris Paul last year as a transparent way of crapping on Derrick Rose for having won the MVP.

It's like Manabyte, where all their opinions of rival players is influenced by how they reflect on Disney George Lucas Kobe's place in the canon.



Anyways, too bad Chris Paul isn't getting the George Shinn treatment from the league now that he wants to get out of New Orleans.

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Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 12, 2011, 09:46:37 PM
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NBA.TV is coming soon. Please return at 11pm ET for your exclusive first look into NBA.TV

:omg
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Mandark on December 12, 2011, 10:01:41 PM
Well, if you're gonna value 1st rounders, it's worth noting that Odom brought one back in a trade.

Maybe you rate Aminu and Bledsoe more than I do.  I certainly haven't seen enough Clippers games to form my own opinion, and they're young.  But from looking at their stats it's hard to imagine them as terribly valuable assets.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 12, 2011, 10:21:52 PM
Going all-in for this season. Signed up for Insider at last. Got to have piping hot doses of Prof Hollinger. NBA.TV will be mine.

I hope to fuck they include a remote control app for iOS or something to make couch viewing a bit easier. Got really tired of dealing with the wireless mouse last season.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2011, 10:32:39 PM
LeBron is better than Kobe in nearly every aspect of the game. Now, Kobe may be better than the sum of his parts or maybe he's just a beneficiary of some great luck, luck LeBron hasn't had.

Compare:

Coaches
Kobe's longest serving coach has been Phil Jackson, arguably the greatest coach in NBA history.
LeBron's longest serving coach has been Mike Brown.

Big Men
Kobe has had the luxury of playing with two future hall-of-fame (though one will get in mostly for his international career) big-men, one of whom is probably the best player of his generation.
LeBron played with a 7'4" center who he out-rebounded from 2007 to 2010.

Cities
Kobe has played all of his career for the second most successful franchise in the second biggest city in America, a city which attracts players and generates the revenue necessary to pay their salaries.
LeBron played in Cleveland.

Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 12, 2011, 10:36:26 PM
Kobe has the edge in the dreaded, unquantifiable "intangibles" category tho, where:

Kobe- mentally tuff
LeBron- pussy
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 12, 2011, 10:41:25 PM
I'd rather have Kobe on my team in the fourth quarter.

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Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Himu on December 12, 2011, 10:46:00 PM
I like Kobe a lot more than Lebron. Lebron is the better player, sure, but it's hard to hate Kobe as much as Lebron since Lebron cries and wah wahs all the time.

Remember when Cleveland lost the Eastern Division Conference Finals and he just left the court without a word or a handshake, got on his jet, and flew home back to mommy? :rofl
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2011, 10:47:31 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on December 12, 2011, 10:36:26 PM
Kobe has the edge in the dreaded, unquantifiable "intangibles" category tho, where:

Kobe- mentally tuff
LeBron- pussy

These intangibles haven't led to any tangible edges over LeBron: LeBron's clutch stats (4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points) have been better than Kobe's and his playoff stats have been, too. The edge is in rings--but that can be explained through tangibles (Jackson, Shaq, Gasol).

Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Himu on December 12, 2011, 10:49:50 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on December 12, 2011, 10:37:38 PM
(http://losthatsportsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/mad-kobe.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/FJl0J.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2011, 10:53:48 PM
(http://themajors.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/xin_1803041713531952254213.jpg)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3618/3548803374_26e6e852e3_o.jpg)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YOcwPgPWfuE/TBqJFdxMALI/AAAAAAAAABI/B_HRHK5Y_ZM/s1600/kobe-bryant.jpg)

(http://straightfromthea.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/kobe-cry-baby.jpg)

(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r224/chainz22/kobe.jpg)

(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/599/230/kobe-crying1_display_image.jpg)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fqKzpRHRT6E/TadF8Nt-UDI/AAAAAAAAMbg/E96-Pvh8xVI/s1600/kobe1.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 12, 2011, 10:55:47 PM
There's a difference between cryin' and passion
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 12, 2011, 10:56:03 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 12, 2011, 10:41:25 PM
I'd rather have Kobe on my team in the fourth quarter.

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...and this is why no-one is asking you to run an NBA team
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Mandark on December 12, 2011, 10:56:56 PM
Malek, don't you know that Kobe's career can always be explained by bad pop-psych analysis?

After Shaq left he became selfish, which is why those teams kept bombing out in the first round of the playoffs.  Then, coincidentally when Kwame Brown turned into Pau Gasol, Kobe learned to be a Team Player, and they started winning again.  It was truly a Christmas miracle!
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2011, 11:00:25 PM
Truly, there's hope for all of us.

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Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2011, 11:01:30 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 12, 2011, 10:55:47 PM
There's a difference between cryin' and passion

This is like the difference when a white man is confident, a woman is a cunt, and a black person is uppity.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 12, 2011, 11:04:17 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 12, 2011, 10:56:56 PM
Malek, don't you know that Kobe's career can always be explained by bad pop-psych analysis?

After Shaq left he became selfish, which is why those teams kept bombing out in the first round of the playoffs.  Then, coincidentally when Kwame Brown turned into Pau Gasol, Kobe learned to be a Team Player, and they started winning again.  It was truly a Christmas miracle!

I get what you're saying, but the pat explanation actually holds some water in this case I think. When he knew he had no shot at a ring, he went for the next-best thing - stats. He was still playing well and playing hard the whole time, I think, but we've never seen a repeated attempt to get to 81pts or anything like it, have we? The 'selfish' tag rang very true to me back then.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2011, 11:05:33 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on December 12, 2011, 11:03:11 PM
Sure, LeBron is better now. Kobe is also 33. I will take Kobe from 06-09 over any four LeBron seasons. Argue PER all you want.
Can I argue better TS%, rebounding,  passing, and clutch stats and near identical scoring?
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 12, 2011, 11:06:03 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 12, 2011, 10:56:03 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 12, 2011, 10:41:25 PM
I'd rather have Kobe on my team in the fourth quarter.

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...and this is why no-one is asking you to run an NBA team

Having actually played the game I think I'd have an edge against those who rely on numerical definitions of this beautiful, physical game.

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Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 12, 2011, 11:06:10 PM
Can I argue Mike Brown, Big-Z and Mo Williams
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 12, 2011, 11:07:47 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 12, 2011, 11:06:03 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 12, 2011, 10:56:03 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 12, 2011, 10:41:25 PM
I'd rather have Kobe on my team in the fourth quarter.

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pre-emptive fuck your stats Malek disclaimer
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...and this is why no-one is asking you to run an NBA team

Having actually played the game I think I'd have an edge against those who rely on numerical definitions of this beautiful, physical game.

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(http://tinyurl.com/75mkeln)
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*goes back to math homework*
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 12, 2011, 11:08:21 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on December 12, 2011, 11:06:40 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2011, 11:05:33 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on December 12, 2011, 11:03:11 PM
Sure, LeBron is better now. Kobe is also 33. I will take Kobe from 06-09 over any four LeBron seasons. Argue PER all you want.
Can I argue TS%, rebounding,  passing, and better clutch stats?

Yes you can. They won't make any difference.

Your argument sucks because he isn't listening, Flannel Boy
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Mandark on December 12, 2011, 11:08:40 PM
I'm sure he shared the ball more with Pau than with Kwame, but I don't think he was "selfish" so much as he just figured (correctly) that there wasn't a conflict between the team's best interest and his taking a bajillion shots a game.  For example, the 81-point game was pretty close into the fourth quarter, IIRC.

The more damaging stuff for Kobe's legacy ought to be the way his teams have bombed out of the playoffs, especially the quitjob in Phoenix and the meltdown last season, but if you get multiple championships you get a pass on that stuff.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2011, 11:11:21 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on December 12, 2011, 11:06:40 PM
Yes you can. They won't make any difference.
Fine, let me reverse the onus: why is 2006-2009 Kobe a better player than 2007-2011?
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 12, 2011, 11:17:47 PM
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There is renewed momentum to push through a trade that would send Chris Paul from the league-owned New Orleans Hornets to the Los Angeles Clippers, according to sources close to the process.

After a seemingly imminent trade routing Paul to the Clippers collapsed earlier Monday, sources told ESPN.com that the league officials negotiating on the Hornets' behalf had aggressively re-engaged the Clippers in talks in hopes of completing a deal as soon as Tuesday.

The talks hit an impasse earlier Monday when the Clippers decided that the league's asking price for the All-Star guard was too high. But Clippers general manager Neil Olshey said Monday that the trade could be revived if some of the parameters change. And a source close to the process told ESPN that league officials also do not see talks with the Clippers as "over."

The NBA remains "hopeful," according to the source, that Paul's fate can be resolved "soon." One source went so far as to say that a deal could be in place by Tuesday, so determined are the league officials running the Hornets to finally bring an end to this saga after NBA commissioner David Stern vetoed a three-team trade Thursday that would have landed Paul with the Los Angeles Lakers.

"Everything's over until it's reborn again," Olshey said. "I'm not going to drag this out. New Orleans made a fair offer on their end. We didn't think it was something we wanted to pursue at this point and we move on. I met with the team and (coach) Vinny (Del Negro) this morning. We love these guys and it took us three years to get in this position. We've been waiting on draft picks that are coming to fruition. Our players are developing, our young guys keep getting better, we added a key free agent (Caron Butler).

"This model is a model for sustainable success and that's been our goal."

At the NBA's direction, sources said, New Orleans was insisting upon the inclusion of both Eric Gordon and Minnesota's unprotected 2012 first-round draft choice in addition to former All-Star center Chris Kaman and prospects Al-Farouq Aminu and Eric Bledsoe.

The Clippers found the demands "too steep," according to one source close to the process, even after Paul told the Clippers he would invoke the 2012-13 option in his contract as part of the trade, ensuring that L.A. would have him next to Blake Griffin for at least two seasons.

Del Negro said some parts of the Paul deal didn't make sense for the Clippers.

"It's over," he said. "Our decision is final right now. Things always have the ability to change, but as of right now I feel very confident in the direction we're going. I think guys are feeling good about where we are right now."

While the Paul news began the day, the Clippers ended it by claiming five-time All-Star guard Chauncey Billups off waivers and re-signing center DeAndre Jordan.

The Clippers used their remaining $3.5 million in salary cap room to claim Billups, with one source with knowledge of the deal saying the Clippers' winning bid to land Billups in the waiver auction was just over $2 million. The 35-year-old point guard was waived by the New York Knicks last weekend tthrough the amnesty clause in the NBA's new labor agreement.

"We've tried eight, 10 times over the years to try and trade for Chauncey. It's never worked out before," Olshey said. "This is another great addition to our roster. He's going to be a great fit with our guys."

Billups averaged 16.8 points, 5.4 assists and 2.6 rebounds in 72 games with Denver and the Knicks last season. He was traded to New York in February. He helped lead Detroit to the NBA championship in 2004, when he was MVP of the finals.

Olshey said the decision to acquire Billups was independent of the team rejecting the Hornets' offer.

"This is not a precursor to another move. This is not laying the groundwork for another opportunity," he said.

The Clippers had a need for Billups since Bledsoe is expected to be sidelined six to eight weeks while recovering from right knee surgery on Oct. 7.

"He has the ability to add a lot to our organization, on and off the court," coach Vinny Del Negro said about Billups. "He's not ready to retire. He has too much left in the tank."

The team matched a $42.7 million, four-year offer sheet from the Golden State Warriors for restricted free agent Jordan, something Olshey told him they would do once they used their cap space.

The 23-year-old center appeared in a career-high 80 games last season, averaging 7.1 points, 7.2 rebounds and 1.78 blocks while making 66 starts.

"He did a nice job for us last year. We're expecting big things from him," Del Negro said. "DeAndre brings a defensive presence for us, shot-blocking, he runs the court well, he's very young still, he's only going to get better."

Still, the talk of a Paul trade dominates the headlines.

On Thursday, Stern vetoed a three-team trade agreement struck by the Hornets, Lakers and Houston Rockets to send Paul to the Lakers.

The Lakers ultimately became so frustrated with those talks that they walked away, but one of the principals in the deal, Lamar Odom, was so unhappy that he was traded to the Mavericks anyway.

Del Negro is hoping Clippers players mentioned in talks don't get frustrated.

"We're always looking to make our team better," he said. "The players know that. In this particular situation, there's been so much attention, but we've moved on. We had a good practice this morning. Guys were upbeat. They'll come back tonight and practice again. We're just trying to stay on point and grow every day. It's just part of the league."

After practice Monday, Hornets coach Monty Williams sought to emphasize patience and perspective while entertaining yet another round of questions concerning his team's roster uncertainty.

"There has been a bit of a distraction," Williams began, but added, "I still get to coach. I'm blessed to be able to coach. I've always lived by the Bible verse, 'Do your work as unto God and not unto men.' And for me, it makes it easy.

"Would I love to have some things in order? Absolutely, but it's not the case," Williams continued. "And when you're a head coach, when you're a father, when you're a husband, you have to deal in reality and I have to devote myself to the people that are here right now."

The Hornets have made no significant free-agent acquisitions, and Hornets guard Jarrett Jack suggested that New Orleans may have trouble luring established free agents until Paul's status is more certain.

"We can't go sign a big-time free agent at the moment because we may be getting four, five players (in a trade for Paul) and who knows what their salaries may command," Jack said. "You've just got to be patient. I know everybody would like to have it over, get some closure to the situation, but if it was that easy it would have been done. Obviously, these things take time and we're willing to wait, hopefully not too long."

The Hornets had hoped to bring back several of their own free agents, including forward David West, but West agreed Sunday to terms with Indiana, a move that Williams described as "a blow" for New Orleans.

"There's no situation on the floor that he was afraid of. He's probably one of the toughest guys I've ever met," Williams said. "He'll be a great mentor to those young guys (in Indiana) and I'm going to miss him. You don't lose guys like David and just say, 'Oh well.' "

West said the league's ownership involvement is a huge obstacle for the club.

"There just really is no direction with no legitimate owner, so that just makes it tough," West said. "It really made it tough for me to see myself going back there."

He said it also makes it tough for other free agents to want to come to New Orleans.

West suspects Paul wants out not only for that reason, but also because of "a series of events that transpired after (the 2007-08 season) sent Chris and myself into a different mindset in terms of what we really could get in New Orleans."

West said he and Paul thought the club was headed in the right direction when it fell one victory shy of the 2008 Western Conference finals. But West said that changed when then-general manager Jeff Bower "gave a cold shoulder" to Jannero Pargo in free agency.

The Hornets chose not to re-sign the backup point guard, who had been Paul's best friend on the team, "and didn't consult Chris about anything," West said.

West added that, before the hiring of general manager Dell Demps and Williams, Hornets upper management did not talk to him or Paul about any major moves, such as the 2009 trade of center Tyson Chandler. Chandler was first shipped to Oklahoma City, but that trade was rescinded. The Hornets later dealt Chandler to Charlotte for Emeka Okafor.

"It's nothing against Emeka, but from our perspective, being teammates with Tyson and knowing the type of impact he had on both of our careers at that particular time, I just felt like at that moment, things, in terms of the trust, the direction we were going, started to wane a bit," West said. "When you have a franchise guy like Chris, build a team around him, I'm under the impression that you've got to keep your franchise guy happy."

West said Demps and Williams constantly consulted him and Paul, and that he holds the current coach and general manager in high regard. But for him -- and possibly Paul -- it was too little, too late. West said he and Paul both struggled to envision a fruitful long-term future in New Orleans while the Hornets lacked not only a permanent owner, but one who had a proven commitment to winning.

"Ultimately, I think (Demps and Williams) got the bad luck of the draw because things were already sort of soured," West said of his and Paul's feelings before last season. "And it was just that idea of trying to build a relationship of trust in such a short period of time."

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7345461/sources-nba-officials-renew-chris-paul-los-angeles-clippers-push
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 12, 2011, 11:20:52 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 12, 2011, 11:08:40 PM
I'm sure he shared the ball more with Pau than with Kwame, but I don't think he was "selfish" so much as he just figured (correctly) that there wasn't a conflict between the team's best interest and his taking a bajillion shots a game.  For example, the 81-point game was pretty close into the fourth quarter, IIRC.

The more damaging stuff for Kobe's legacy ought to be the way his teams have bombed out of the playoffs, especially the quitjob in Phoenix and the meltdown last season, but if you get multiple championships you get a pass on that stuff.

Yeah, I'll give you that he had the green light during that phase...it was the only way they were getting into the playoffs. But ultimately he had to know that team wasn't getting anywhere near the championship though, so I'd say he was more interested in his stat legacy than team results.

Btw, when you saw D-Will's line for that game in Turkey, did you not immediately think 'KOBE GAME!'. 50 pts, 1 assist! :rofl
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Mandark on December 12, 2011, 11:30:05 PM
I think (and I obviously can't speak for him) that Malek's pointing out that you selected the stretch of Kobe's career with the least team success, but the best stats, while you're rejecting the idea of using stats to compare him and LeBron.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2011, 11:30:28 PM
Sorry. Fuck my typo.

why is 2006-2009 Kobe a better player than 2007-2011 LeBron?

edit: basically what Mandark said.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Mandark on December 12, 2011, 11:34:28 PM
Ha.  That's actually how I read it until I saw the response and went back to check.


Just to throw some historical perspective into this debate, Jordan won a championship after being out of basketball for more than a year, against a team of roided-out aliens, and did so with Bill Murray and the Tazmanian Devil as his best teammates.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 12, 2011, 11:36:23 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 12, 2011, 11:34:28 PM
Ha.  That's actually how I read it until I saw the response and went back to check.


Just to throw some historical perspective into this debate, Jordan won a championship after being out of basketball for more than a year, against a team of roided-out aliens, and did so with Bill Murray and the Taxmanian Devil as his best teammates.

Obama played for the Bulls?
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2011, 11:37:08 PM
Quote from: Count Drugula The Satanic on December 12, 2011, 11:35:42 PM
Kobe fan here, and yeah Lebron is the better player. But hey Lebron didn't do shit with that, even while having a team like last years.

He had a great playoff run until he ran into the greatest athlete ever produced by the Fatherland in a sport nobody at home cares about.

edit: LMAO, Triumph
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Mandark on December 12, 2011, 11:37:37 PM
Ahhhhhhhh dammit.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2011, 11:38:12 PM
This usually only happens to Canadians.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Himu on December 12, 2011, 11:39:45 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 12, 2011, 11:34:28 PM
Ha.  That's actually how I read it until I saw the response and went back to check.


Just to throw some historical perspective into this debate, Jordan won a championship after being out of basketball for more than a year, against a team of roided-out aliens, and did so with Bill Murray and the Tazmanian Devil as his best teammates.

Space Jam is canon.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2011, 11:41:22 PM
The aliens never had a chance as soon as they decided to steal Shawn Bradley's "talent".
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 12, 2011, 11:43:28 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 12, 2011, 11:37:37 PM
Ahhhhhhhh dammit.

:teehee
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Mandark on December 12, 2011, 11:47:06 PM
If instead of Jordan, Murray, and the Loony Tunes we had to rely on, say, LeBron, Dane Cook, and the cast of Family Guy we'd all be bowing to our alien overlords.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2011, 11:49:01 PM
That reminds me of the time I had to play aliens from Uranus in a game of ice-hockey. Luckily they stole talent from players off the Islanders' roster.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 12, 2011, 11:53:49 PM
Signed up for League Pass  :elephant

(Still great value but for FUCK'S SAKE: PRO-RATE IT FOR THE SHORTENED SEASON YOU MINGY CUNTS)
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Himu on December 12, 2011, 11:58:58 PM
Mandark's post reminds me of the 1995-1996 Seatle Supersonics team. Jesus fuck, fuck Gary Payton. I will never forget when the Sonics beasted on the Rockets in the 95-96 season western conf. semi-finals. We had a repeat; the previous season was even tougher than the 93-94 season, and the Sonics SWEPT Houston. I cried. My mother came in to see what the fuss was about, and it was over fucking basketball. The Rockets were fucking SWEPT by the Sonics -- I never cried harder over basketball than I did that day.

Fuck the Sonics.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 12, 2011, 11:59:01 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2011, 11:49:01 PM
That reminds me of the time I had to play aliens from Uranus in a game of ice-hockey. Luckily they stole talent from players off the Islanders' roster.

Did they make a tv movie out of it that 9 people in Canadia watched?
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 13, 2011, 12:02:21 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on December 12, 2011, 11:57:13 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2011, 11:49:01 PM
That reminds me of the time I had to play aliens from Uranus in a game of ice-hockey. Luckily they stole talent from players off the Islanders' roster.

Did the Phil Kessel alien look like this?

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Now I feel bad about editing the team name. I have an irrational hatred of Phil Kessel, which not only caused me to stop being a fan or the Leafs this summer but also caused me to stop being a fan of any pro-sports team altogether.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 13, 2011, 12:14:09 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on December 12, 2011, 11:58:58 PM
Mandark's post reminds me of the 1995-1996 Seatle Supersonics team. Jesus fuck, fuck Gary Payton. I will never forget when the Sonics beasted on the Rockets in the 95-96 season western conf. semi-finals. We had a repeat; the previous season was even tougher than the 93-94 season, and the Sonics SWEPT Houston. I cried. My mother came in to see what the fuss was about, and it was over fucking basketball. The Rockets were fucking SWEPT by the Sonics -- I never cried harder over basketball than I did that day.

Fuck the Sonics.
damn

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I cried when the Rockets swept the Magic  :'(
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Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Himu on December 13, 2011, 12:16:21 AM
That team was pure insanity.

In fact, I can think of so many teams I hated back then due to the sheer amount of amazingly good players. You had the Jazz with Stockton and Malone, the aforementioned Sonics, the Phoenix Suns with Barkley, the Pacers and Reggie Miller, The Bulls, The Magic, The Spurs and David Robinson...

Goddamn, the NBA in the 90's was the best sport.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 13, 2011, 12:21:06 AM
90's NBA was definitely way better, Jordan had a lot to do with that of course.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Himu on December 13, 2011, 12:25:42 AM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on December 13, 2011, 12:23:29 AM
Yeah, jordan even had the effect of making players on other teams seem more important than they were just because they were his rivals.  The 90s also had the beginnings of the great kings teams that were so much fun to watch.

 8)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu92R-UR12o
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 13, 2011, 12:56:03 AM
Music was also better when I was a teenager.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 13, 2011, 01:00:24 AM
fuck me, i think i am simultaneously the oldest person in this thread and the only one not completely blinded by nostalgia
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 13, 2011, 01:03:24 AM
I think it's an objective fact that the NHL and NBA were better in the 80s, mostly because everyone refused to play defense.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 13, 2011, 01:09:22 AM
 :bow Matt Duchene  :bow2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig7E4-A8zQ8
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Beezy on December 13, 2011, 03:27:04 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on December 13, 2011, 12:16:21 AM
That team was pure insanity.

In fact, I can think of so many teams I hated back then due to the sheer amount of amazingly good players. You had the Jazz with Stockton and Malone, the aforementioned Sonics, the Phoenix Suns with Barkley, the Pacers and Reggie Miller, The Bulls, The Magic, The Spurs and David Robinson...

Goddamn, the NBA in the 90's was the best sport.
My parents will never forget what he did to the Knicks. :lol
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: etiolate on December 13, 2011, 04:23:03 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=strS0G2PCBk

Mitch  :heartbeat
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 13, 2011, 05:34:00 AM
what was his final line though? didn't look to me like he continued his 34 avg against MJ :teehee
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: benjipwns on December 13, 2011, 05:47:49 AM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199701300SAC.html
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: etiolate on December 13, 2011, 06:56:03 AM
It was always Mitch vs Jordan and refs. 10 FTAs to 2FTAs in that game. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 13, 2011, 01:45:28 PM
Quote from: etiolate on December 13, 2011, 06:56:03 AM
It was always Mitch vs Jordan and refs. 10 FTAs to 2FTAs in that game.
(http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LRG/21/2142/XQRED00Z/posters/oxford-pete-alpaca-portrait-altiplano-bolivia.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 13, 2011, 02:27:56 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on December 13, 2011, 12:38:28 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 13, 2011, 01:00:24 AM
fuck me, i think i am simultaneously the oldest person in this thread and the only one not completely blinded by nostalgia
Hey, I'm not blinded by Nostalgia, I just saw Jordan play the Jazz in two finals, and I can honestly remember more people getting REALLY EXCITED for basketball.  For a fan that means a lot.  It's like how Etiolate hates basketball now that the Kings suck.  Makes perfect sense to me.

Wait... the Kings didn't suck at some point?
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 13, 2011, 07:09:07 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on December 13, 2011, 12:38:28 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 13, 2011, 01:00:24 AM
fuck me, i think i am simultaneously the oldest person in this thread and the only one not completely blinded by nostalgia
Hey, I'm not blinded by Nostalgia, I just saw Jordan play the Jazz in two finals, and I can honestly remember more people getting REALLY EXCITED for basketball.  For a fan that means a lot.  It's like how Etiolate hates basketball now that the Kings suck.  Makes perfect sense to me.

Jordan was something special, sure. Like the Beatles or Elvis, that's a phenomenon that can only happen once. But getting nostalgic for the whole damn 90's NBA requires HIGHLY selective hindsight.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 13, 2011, 07:11:30 PM
I prefer 80's basketball to 90's basketball. And while you absolutely have to respect and admire Jordan (on the court) there was often a lot of preferential calls that annoyed me.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 13, 2011, 07:15:40 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 13, 2011, 07:09:07 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on December 13, 2011, 12:38:28 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 13, 2011, 01:00:24 AM
fuck me, i think i am simultaneously the oldest person in this thread and the only one not completely blinded by nostalgia
Hey, I'm not blinded by Nostalgia, I just saw Jordan play the Jazz in two finals, and I can honestly remember more people getting REALLY EXCITED for basketball.  For a fan that means a lot.  It's like how Etiolate hates basketball now that the Kings suck.  Makes perfect sense to me.

Jordan was something special, sure. Like the Beatles or Elvis, that's a phenomenon that can only happen once. But getting nostalgic for the whole damn 90's NBA requires HIGHLY selective hindsight.

Agreed, people don't remember the playoff series where teams would struggle to break 90 points more than once. It's just like any era, there's good and bad.

I'm glad to see that not only the international people are getting screwed with League Pass pricing this year
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 13, 2011, 07:28:41 PM
....and if memory serves, Cohen is/was a Jazz fan. Of course he remembers those particular years as being a more exciting time than the past decade of being trounced by the Lakers.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 13, 2011, 09:46:39 PM
The only way I can interpret your Etiolate comment is that you are saying the entire league now sucks, as opposed to being awesome like back in the day. Which is at odds with what you're saying above (that you were happy with last season). And also not something I can agree with in any way. So clarify please.

I can understand the angst of small-market fans like etiolate, of course, but you have to remember that for every one that falls, another one rises. LeBron brought the Cavs back to relevance (and a trip to the Finals), as did Dwight and the Magic, Paul and Hornets, and on and on. Even the Jazz looked like contenders again for a while, and they never really went away. So those 'interesting' 90's teams like Reggie's Pacers or Barkley's Suns are just being moved around. You can of course debate which team was better, or more fun, or more interesting all day - I enjoy that too. But you can't simply say one era was awesome and the one we have now can't compare. That's nonsense.

Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 13, 2011, 10:15:00 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on December 13, 2011, 01:03:24 AM
I think it's an objective fact that the NHL and NBA were better in the 80s, mostly because everyone refused to play defense.

Not sure about that.  I've been watching some NBA classic games and the officials definitely allow much harder fouls in the 70s and 80s.  The higher scoring seemed to be due more to quicker pace, more passing, less dribbling and better midrange shooting. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 13, 2011, 10:23:08 PM
...which would be weird since the stats are pretty definitive on shooting having consistently improved, IIRC. Defenses of course are keeping pace, with greatly increased sophistication and scouting, so to the casual eye it might seem like more shots are going in. But there are way more guys who can hit a set shot for sure.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 13, 2011, 10:29:58 PM
But shooting% also goes up when you call more fouls since the missed shots don't count.  I don't know if that was accounted for but perhaps that could be the reason.  Also, maybe today's players drive more? 

After MJ came on the scene, younger players all wanted to fly like him instead of practicing their outside shots.  Just based on what I see, it did seem like that players used to make open midrange shots a lot more consistently. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 13, 2011, 10:55:37 PM
It's a complicated issue.

First, true shooting percentage takes into account FT%, as well as 3s. That's what I'm referring to when I talk about shooting, mostly.

Second, coaches these days realize that the long 2 is the worst shot in the game, and make shooters step back for a 3 instead. Very few players have the latitude to take those Jordan shots anymore (Kobe being the obvious exception - he rules around the key. Dirk is even better but hardly Jordan-esque, form-wise...he barely leaves the ground...).

So you have players shooting a much higher adjusted percentage (taking into account the extra point from the 3) even though they maybe shoot a worse % on that 3, vs a 2pt'er from a couple feet closer in. The true beasts are those who can shoot a high percentage around the rim/from the stripe AND be efficient from long range (i.e. Kevin Martin, Dirk)
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 13, 2011, 10:58:55 PM
As an aside, think about how many 3pt shooters there are in the league now. Every team has to have them, and in fact many teams like to have 3 or even more on the court at all times. Whereas back in the 90s, players like Reggie Miller/Steve Kerr/Dan Majerle were still something of an aberration, viewed with distrust. Guys shot the 3, but very very few made their living from it, or were encouraged by the coaches to take it regularly.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Mandark on December 13, 2011, 11:02:18 PM
Cohen just said that Jordan made other players "seem more important" when they played against him, which sounds right to me.  I'll bet more casual and non-fans know Karl Malone because of those finals than know Hakeem Olajuwon, who actually won two rings.  He wasn't saying the 90's had a better standard of play or anything.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 13, 2011, 11:05:59 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 13, 2011, 10:55:37 PM
So you have players shooting a much higher adjusted percentage (taking into account the extra point from the 3) even though they maybe shoot a worse % on that 3, vs a 2pt'er from a couple feet closer in. The true beasts are those who can shoot a high percentage around the rim/from the stripe AND be efficient from long range (i.e. Kevin Martin, Dirk)

Yeah, because if you can score at the rim then you can create for others.   Having a reliable outside shot reduces the effectiveness of double-teaming and gives you the chance to score a clutch basket when the paint is almost always crowded.

According to Marc Stein:

Became very real tonight that Lakers could focus on CP3 over Dwight and aim for CP3/Kobe/Bynum core thru Pau-centric offer to NBA's Hornets.


Crazy if that goes through.  At this stage of Pau's career,  most GMs would probably consider him to be less valuable than Gordon + a lottery pick. 

Although I hate things going the Laker's way, I've started thinking it might actually be interesting to see how Kobe would react to Paul passing more to Bynum and others than Kobe would approve of. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Mandark on December 13, 2011, 11:17:46 PM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/stats.html

Useful chart for looking at leaguewide averages throughout the years.  Quick summary: free throw shooting percentage has remained remarkably close to 76% the whole time, free throws were more common in the 80's than now, offensive efficiency is extremely close, and the biggest difference is a huge gap in pace (the league slowed way the hell down in the early-mid 90's and never sped back up).
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Mandark on December 13, 2011, 11:21:58 PM
I remember being in France when Jordan dropped 55 in his fifth game back in the '95 season.  My host's older brother relayed the news, and both of them were pretty much in awe.

It's hard to explain now just how big a deal MJ was at his peak as a celebrity.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 13, 2011, 11:26:23 PM
Even now MJ is a big deal.  It's ridiculous how many of his shoes are still being sold.  It would be ridiculous even for an active superstar. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: T-Short on December 14, 2011, 02:45:54 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on December 13, 2011, 11:26:23 PM
Even now MJ is a big deal.  It's ridiculous how many of his shoes are still being sold.  It would be ridiculous even for an active superstar.

urm. I wouldn't really associate the continued popularity to Jordan sneakers to kids loving MJ, the sneaker brand is its own beast now. kids who know NOTHING about ball are buying the Jordan III Retro Black/Cements because it's THE SHOE and TINKER HATFIELD OMG
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 14, 2011, 04:08:58 AM
I guess our generation wants to think MJ is still a big deal, but really, half the kids playing in the NBA are only paying lip service when they talk about idolizing him. There are draftees now who've only known the LeBron era. The sports writers who've been around for decades will continue to try to keep things in perspective of course, but it's always a losing battle. Iverson is already being forgotten about. Shaq will probably build his brand even further thanks to TV, but if not for that, they'd already be forgetting him too.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 14, 2011, 05:39:23 AM
the era where he's been the best player and the biggest star, yeah.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 14, 2011, 10:08:30 AM
Nene reups with the nuggets. Skilled guy but I can't help but feel he is over-rated.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7350826/sources-denver-nuggets-re-sign-nene-5-year-67m-plus-contract
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 14, 2011, 03:38:20 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on December 13, 2011, 10:15:00 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on December 13, 2011, 01:03:24 AM
I think it's an objective fact that the NHL and NBA were better in the 80s, mostly because everyone refused to play defense.

Not sure about that.  I've been watching some NBA classic games and the officials definitely allow much harder fouls in the 70s and 80s.  The higher scoring seemed to be due more to quicker pace, more passing, less dribbling and better midrange shooting.
It was a flippant comment, but defensive systems are much tighter, leading to fewer breakaways in hockey and fewer fastbreaks in basketball.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Himu on December 14, 2011, 03:44:26 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 14, 2011, 10:08:30 AM
Nene reups with the nuggets. Skilled guy but I can't help but feel he is over-rated.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7350826/sources-denver-nuggets-re-sign-nene-5-year-67m-plus-contract

Meanwhile Marc Gasol is staying with the Grizzlies.

FFFFUUUUUUUUU The Rockets got fucked in the ass. Thanks Stern! Houston still lacks a center.  :'(
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 14, 2011, 04:51:40 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7352909/no-timetable-chris-paul-trade-new-orleans-hornets-gm-dell-demps-says

Uh, you guys realize the season starts in a week and half, right? No rush, though.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 14, 2011, 05:13:13 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on December 14, 2011, 04:43:32 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 14, 2011, 05:39:23 AM
the era where he's been the best player and the biggest star, yeah.

Naming an era after LeBron is a huge insult to all the other guys who have eras named after them.

Russell, Magic/Bird, Jordan, Shaq/Kobe... LeBron. Yeah, doesn't fit at all.

I'd vote 03-07 as the Tim Duncan era. 08-10 as the Kobe era. Are we in an era right now? It's hard to tell. Depends on who wins the next few titles. There might be a LeBron era in the future, but there sure as hell hasn't been one yet.

From 2007/08 to 2009/10, LeBron won two MVPS and crushed the league statically.

PER
2007-08 NBA 29.1 (1st)
2008-09 NBA 31.7 (1st)
2009-10 NBA 31.1 (1st)

vs.

2007-08 NBA 24.2 (8th)
2008-09 NBA 24.4 (6th)
2009-10 NBA 21.9 (13th)

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Yes, Kobe did get two rings.
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Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 14, 2011, 05:17:17 PM
Bill Russel - 11
Magic Johnson - 5
Larry Bird - 3
Michael Jordan - 6
Shaquille O'Neal - 4
Kobe Bryant - 5

LeBron James - 0

:smug
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 14, 2011, 05:19:20 PM
Let's just call it the Dirk Nowitzki era.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Himu on December 14, 2011, 05:24:44 PM
:bow Robert Horry
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 14, 2011, 05:26:18 PM
He didn't win seven rings by accident.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Mandark on December 14, 2011, 05:49:28 PM
For ten years in a row and 12 out of 14, the NBA champions had either Horry or Steve Kerr on their roster.  Bananers.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Himu on December 14, 2011, 05:52:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7A93d8FJnY
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 14, 2011, 06:31:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjPgAQQst7U
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 14, 2011, 07:21:18 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_chris_paul_clippers_121411

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The NBA has reached an agreement to trade New Orleans Hornets point guard Chris Paul to the Los Angeles Clippers, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

The Hornets will receive guard Eric Gordon, center Chris Kaman, forward Al-Farouq Aminu and the Minnesota Timberwolves’ unprotected first-round pick.


Gordon AND Minny's doubtless high pick! That's too much. But the Clips were in such great shape they have some latitude to overpay I guess. They'd also eventually run into the problem of having to figure out how to pay Griffin, Gordon AND Paul while staying competitive with their role players (no-one will ever take less to play on the Clippers). Gordon will be utterly, utterly wasted in NOLA though.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 14, 2011, 07:28:46 PM
Crap!  I really wish they hadn't give up Gordon.  The lottery pick was OK since it might not have panned out but Gordon is almost certain to be a perennial All-Star.  Also, he's perfect to counter Westbrook and Rose if they ever meet in the playoffs.  Maybe Westbrook and Rose can't stop Paul because of his passing and outside shot, but Paul would have an even harder time keeping up with those two.  Westbrook and Rose are going to become more skilled but Paul's athleticism is just going to be on a steady decline. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 14, 2011, 07:30:20 PM
For Kobe fans, there should just be the:

Iverson/Vince Carter era
Tracy Mcgrady era
Dwyane Wade era
Lebron James era

Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 14, 2011, 07:36:08 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on December 14, 2011, 07:28:46 PM
Crap!  I really wish they hadn't give up Gordon.  The lottery pick was OK since it might not have panned out but Gordon is almost certain to be a perennial All-Star.  Also, he's perfect to counter Westbrook and Rose if they ever meet in the playoffs.  Maybe Westbrook and Rose can't stop Paul because of his passing and outside shot, but Paul would have an even harder time keeping up with those two.  Westbrook and Rose are going to become more skilled but Paul's athleticism is just going to be on a steady decline. 

The :lol part of course is that there is no f'ing way Gordon will re-up with the Hornets. Why would he? As David West said, they have no owners and no indication that anyone will buy. So the franchise can never be good. And Gordon is a restricted free agent as of July 31st next year, and the Hornets can't possibly sign him to a big contract. Which basically means the Hornets will get nothing for him beyond 66 games.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 14, 2011, 07:42:35 PM
Wow, that's even worse than CP3 playing just 2 years for the Clips.  Clips should insist on CP3 signing a contract extension before the trade so that they don't have go through this BS again next year.

I guess one of their major concern probably was on how to pay 3 top-tier stars while still having a competitive team.  Heat had an unique situation where all 3 guys were willing to take less money but you can't assume that players would do the same for a franchise like the Clippers. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 14, 2011, 07:50:36 PM
There is no way he will sign a contract extension now with anybody; the new CBA makes it much more favorable for him to opt out next year, THEN re-sign. This is what D-Will and Dwight Howard have already announced they will be doing, no matter where they plan to play at the time.

I have mixed feelings about this. The Clips were on their way to Thunder-like success built on great drafting and relative fiscal prudence. They are going all-in with Paul and Griffin in the hopes that both will re-up, but i'm not sure that's enough to ever get them over the hump. Oh well. They could well be giving up the first pick in supposedly a great draft year next year....and watching Gordon become an All-Star will be tough on them. Stat-wise, he'll probably have a greater year than CP3, playing on a no-hope team with all the shots he wants.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 14, 2011, 08:00:14 PM
The clippers are cursed. Blake will get either get an ACL tear before the All-Star break or Sterling will make some horrible verbal gaffe early in the season like saying he loves how his slaves are playing for him. The clippers are the epitome of bad luck/bad owner. They will find a way to screw it up.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Stern is Gaddafi)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 14, 2011, 08:05:52 PM
Deal is one of the worst in recent memory if that pick turns out to be Anthony Davis or Andre Drummond.  Those two could come right in and dominate like Blake.  With a twin towers combo like the Spurs, a good PG won't even really be needed.  Also, they'd still have plenty of pieces to package for a PG upgrade if Billups really doesn't pan out.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 14, 2011, 08:07:22 PM
I guess one of the main positives of signing CP3 is that he already knows what it's like to play for one of the crappiest franchises in pro sports. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 14, 2011, 08:12:33 PM
WTF, didn't think that it was possible for Kendrick Perkins to get into this kinda shape.  I wonder how he would have played with the Celtics if he were in his current condition.

(http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/5838/20483125.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/831/20483125.png/)

Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 14, 2011, 08:16:41 PM
Yeah - first time I saw that pic I thought it was Danny Pudi :lol
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Mandark on December 14, 2011, 08:16:57 PM
Wow, that's a big haul.  I feel like the NBA was bluffing with the CP-for-Pau talk, trying to regain some of the leverage they pissed away, but if so it sure worked.

Hornets have to keep Gordon though, right?  Surely they don't have so much committed in contracts for next year that they couldn't match whatever offer he gets.  Hoopshype's database says they've just got Okafor, Ariza, and Jarrett Jack.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 14, 2011, 08:17:26 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 14, 2011, 08:00:14 PM
The clippers are cursed. Blake will get either get an ACL tear before the All-Star break or Sterling will make some horrible verbal gaffe early in the season like saying he loves how his slaves are playing for him. The clippers are the epitome of bad luck/bad owner. They will find a way to screw it up.

Yeah, but I think Paul's knee is the obvious candidate for the Clipper Curse.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 14, 2011, 08:18:36 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 14, 2011, 08:16:57 PM
Wow, that's a big haul.  I feel like the NBA was bluffing with the CP-for-Pau talk, trying to regain some of the leverage they pissed away, but if so it sure worked.

Hornets have to keep Gordon though, right?  Surely they don't have so much committed in contracts for next year that they couldn't match whatever offer he gets.  Hoopshype's database says they've just got Okafor, Ariza, and Jarrett Jack.

Yeah, but why would he want to re-sign? Same as Paul...he just threatens not to re-sign and then they have to trade him. A 4 year contract with a star is only really 3 years innit
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Mandark on December 14, 2011, 08:21:25 PM
RFA means that they can just match any offer sheet he gets and force him to stay, though, right?  Unless something changed in the new CBA.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 14, 2011, 08:22:15 PM
Are there any teams willing to trade a decent SG for Bledsoe or Billups?  Two quality PG backups seem unnecessary for a team that seems to be going for broke.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: benjipwns on December 14, 2011, 08:23:43 PM
From Chad Ford:
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Barring an extension, Gordon will be a restricted FA on July 1st. If no deal with NO, he's an unrestricted FA in summer of 2013.

Quote from: Smooth Groove on December 14, 2011, 08:22:15 PM
Are there any teams willing to trade a decent SG for Bledsoe or Billups?  Two quality PG backups seem unnecessary for a team that seems to be going for broke.
Lakers?
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Mandark on December 14, 2011, 08:30:58 PM
I've always wondered why more young players looking to bolt don't sign 2-year offer sheets (which I think is the minimum for an RFA).  If their current team was determined to match, that gives them the earliest exit possible without sitting out a year and not getting paid.

The two likely reasons are 1) two or three years of extra guaranteed money is a huge, huge deal and players aren't about to give that up for a shot at better digs two seasons in the future, and 2) a team wouldn't offer 2-year contracts to RFA's just to facilitate earlier free agency for fear that everyone would start doing it and undermine their own ability to control their players' movement.

Anyway, this just emphasizes that a team gets to control a player they draft in the first round (through no merit of their own, let's remember) for an absolute minimum of six years, more likely eight, and they only sacrifice one year if they expect to be rewarded for losing the player.  Footy teams in Europe hear NBA owners whinging about player power and laugh bitterly.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: benjipwns on December 14, 2011, 08:32:16 PM
They can sign for one year, the qualifying offer, then become a UFA the next season. Olowokandi did this when he didn't get the maximum contract offers he was looking for.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 14, 2011, 08:33:03 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on December 14, 2011, 08:22:15 PM
Are there any teams willing to trade a decent SG for Bledsoe or Billups?  Two quality PG backups seem unnecessary for a team that seems to be going for broke.

They also have Mo Williams. Anything could happen. They can't trade Billups for one year I believe (since he came off waivers)
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: benjipwns on December 14, 2011, 08:35:56 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 14, 2011, 08:33:03 PM
Anything could happen.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=74l7uhq
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 14, 2011, 08:41:07 PM
Clippers would lose 4 more games with that trade.   :lol

That sounds crazy but Stephen A Smith is already talking about how Kobe is very likely to demand a trade.  Too bad there's 1% chance of this trade happening.  It would be hilarious to see how LA fans react. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 14, 2011, 09:43:13 PM
Kobe should be pissed. Jim Buss seems intent to saving as much money as possible, and coasting for a few more years on Kobe's rep. His salary is a little more tradeable under the new CBA but it's hard to imagine any team being able to contend after a reasonable trade....
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 14, 2011, 09:46:37 PM
Kobe has no leverage this time other than his no-trade clause.  I wonder if Kobe will threaten retirement if Lakers fail to get Dwight and then refuse to trade Kobe to somewhere that he likes. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 14, 2011, 10:07:40 PM
The Lakers really wouldn't be that great with Dwight and Kobe and nothing else anyway. I really don't see them contending with that. You let those two get theirs, blanket the god-awful role players (Fisher and Artest wouldn't be starting anywhere else, and just can't score anymore...and those are the good ones...) and any contender will beat them in a series IMHO.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 14, 2011, 10:11:17 PM
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=czjwg69

:smug
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 14, 2011, 10:12:18 PM
Also, if we ignore the conflict of interest issue (and take Stern at his word that he was acting only in his capacity as 'owner of the Hornets' when he nixed the Lakers trade), he starts to look pretty good. The Hornets' future is now a lot brighter than it would have been with a team based around (no doubt disinterested/disgruntled) vets like Scola and Kevin Martin. David Stern - always liked him!
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 14, 2011, 10:17:26 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 14, 2011, 10:11:17 PM
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=czjwg69

:smug

Dirk can always use a few more complementary players.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 14, 2011, 10:27:13 PM
According to Hollinger, who won in the CP3 trade?
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: benjipwns on December 14, 2011, 10:30:26 PM
Hornets because of the methodology that favors more players over one good one: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7o5734u

Oops, thought you meant in the trade machine not his column.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 14, 2011, 10:31:39 PM
you know i love you Smooth:

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Fi.

Nal.

Ly.

Chris Paul is being traded from the New Orleans Hornets to the Los Angeles Clippers -- for real this time -- and now we all can get on with our lives. Bravo for the beleaguered Clips, who get both their second superstar, to pair with Blake Griffin, and their moment in the spotlight in a market in which the mighty Lakers blot out the sun 99 percent of the time.

While Paul is both a superstar and a perfect complement to the high-flying Griffin, he doesn't come without warts. He has a bad knee, and that's a problem, especially for a 6-foot point guard; 7-footers can overcome stuff like this because their primary advantage, height, remains in force, but if a small guard loses a step, he immediately becomes much more ordinary.

Second, he's committed to the Clippers for only two years. He might very well sign on for three more after the season, but if Donald Sterling pulls his usual shenanigans, Paul also might decide this wasn't worth the trouble and threaten to bolt again.

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Eric Gordon and Chris Kaman now take their skills to the Big Easy.
Nonetheless, it was a no-brainer for the Clippers to leverage their assets in a deal of this type, although they must wish they didn't have to leverage so many of them. The NBA, acting as legal guardian of the New Orleans Hornets, drove a hard bargain, ending up with the better of the two Erics (Eric Gordon) they haggled over as well as Chris Kaman, Al-Farouq Aminu and an unprotected 2012 first-round pick belonging to Minnesota.
Ultimately, I think this was basically a fair trade. Give the Clips a slight advantage since they got the blue chip and because this couldn't possibly have been a better fit -- L.A. has shooters galore around Paul and two dunkers in the middle to throw down his passes.

Nonetheless, New Orleans didn't come out badly. The Hornets will miss the playoffs this season, but they won't be terrible and have cleaned up their balance sheet nicely going forward.

As for the assets sent out for Paul, the package looks logical from here. Part of the reason the Clippers had to include Gordon, I suspect, is that the Minnesota pick might not be worth as much as people think. Despite all the half-witted things the Timberwolves have done the past few years, I have them projected as an almost-decent team in 2011-12. Thus, the Hornets might end up receiving more like a No. 11 pick than a coveted top-three selection.

Gordon, of course, is a prime asset, a potential All-Star shooting guard; you can't blame the Clippers for wanting to keep him and the Hornets for wanting him included. Had the Clips been able to insert Eric Bledsoe in Gordon's place, they might very well have won the Western Conference this season.

Now they won't, although they'll still be very good -- a solid playoff team. For the moment, some holes remain. They're badly in need of a defensive stopper on the wing and some backup frontcourt players; they likely will trade Mo Williams to solve one problem and use their two-year, $2.5 million "under-cap" exception to tackle the other. They need a coach, too, but that's a story for another day.

The Clippers also generated two small trade exceptions with this deal, one for $3.8 million and another for $2.5 million. Their size limits their effectiveness, but they could come in handy either now or at the trade deadline. (Those two 2015 second-rounders, by the way, are basically nonexistent junk that had to be included, per league rules, because this deal was effectively three separate trades: Paul for Kaman and the first-rounder, a junk second-rounder for Aminu and another junk pick for Gordon. One of the picks is from Memphis and has conditions so tight it will never get to the Hornets to give to the Clippers; the other is from the Hornets and has similar conditions).

The Hornets, meanwhile, can get on with their lives as well. Presumably they'll re-sign Carl Landry and possibly Willie Green and Jason Smith, as they're still well under the salary cap. Additionally, expect a trade of either Kaman or Emeka Okafor some time between now and the trade deadline.

Long term, the Hornets get a solid forward prospect in Aminu, a no-brainer keeper in Gordon and effectively two lottery picks -- the one the Clippers gave them and the one they'll get on their own now that Paul is gone. They'll almost certainly sign Gordon to an extension, but even so, the Hornets have max cap space going forward and a nice, clean balance sheet to present to potential buyers.

(And you'd better believe they'll have a buyer before June 28. Can you imagine the conspiracy theories if the NBA-owned Hornets won the lottery?)

So call it a win-win. The Clippers are more relevant than they've been in years, and will stay that way as long as Griffin's and Paul's knees remain intact.

The Hornets, meanwhile, get a second chance. The unwritten story behind the Paul trade is how badly the New Orleans franchise squandered the prime years of Paul and David West with a series of bloated contracts and bizarre decisions. Under new ownership and Dell Demps' management, they'll try to avoid repeating the same mistakes with Gordon, Aminu and their two 2012 lottery picks.
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Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 14, 2011, 10:38:42 PM
Thanks! 

Good take, as usual, by Holinger although Clippers being a legit finals contender without having to trade Gordon sounds a bit far-fetched. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 14, 2011, 10:43:49 PM
Well, I think (having spend hours yesterday reading up on all Hollinger's team previews*) that's factoring in significant leaps for Gordon and Griffin, which I find eminently reasonable, and factoring in steps backward by the older teams (Spurs, Lakers, Mavs). I'd give that Clips team a shot for sure vs the Thunder or the Grizz in the WCF.


*those are all player-based though - he doesn't actually give team grades that I could find
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 14, 2011, 10:49:48 PM
It's just that it always seems to take more than 1 season for a team to gel when adding a bunch of new players.  MJ's 2nd 3peat team and the Big 3 Celtics were the rare exceptions. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 14, 2011, 11:01:16 PM
Yeah, but upgrading massively at PG is the best possible way to 'disrupt' your team.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: benjipwns on December 14, 2011, 11:03:28 PM
(http://multimedia.heraldinteractive.com/images/20111213/e21734_Davis_12132011.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/pVJkH.jpg)

Why did everyone get in shape during the lockout? This is no fun.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 14, 2011, 11:07:04 PM
apparently ZACH RANDOLPH got in shape. mind-boggling. I thought for sure huge contract extension + lockout would mean at least one DUI and an extra 20lbs but no.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Himu on December 14, 2011, 11:09:29 PM
What are these dudes eating?
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: benjipwns on December 14, 2011, 11:15:39 PM
Article on Randolph: http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2011/dec/11/z-bos-zeal/
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Drake and Matrisciano met and went shopping at Whole Foods.

"It was a workout," Drake said. "He preached to me, yelled at me and we went down every aisle. It was nice. We needed a change."

The groceries include chicken and fish. No red meat. Randolph replaced soda with water and pure juices with low sugar. Drake bought grains and pasta, and removed fried or processed foods from the family menu.

"Everything is organic, gluten-free and nondairy," Drake said. "It's low in fiber and low in fat."

Randolph, who admitted the change in diet was most difficult, is big on snacks. But instead of candy and potato chips, Drake hands him toast with gluten-free peanut butter. She even found gluten-free cookies and a chocolate pudding that meets their new nutritional standards.

"It's weird, but it actually tastes very good," said Drake, who also changed her eating habits to encourage Randolph. "I also keep a lot of fruits and vegetables out. I kind of force him to eat that. And I always have a salad made.

These guys all got the Fear of Kemp in them I guess:
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"Me and Shawn Kemp are friends, but he signed a contract, went into a lockout and came back overweight," Randolph said. "I didn't want to be like that."
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 14, 2011, 11:24:08 PM
seems weird to be feeding him grains and pasta but fretting about gluten in the peanut butter but oh well
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 15, 2011, 12:44:36 PM
You know its going to be an exciting season when two of the teams you look forward to seeing play are the Grizzlies and the Clippers. Who would have expected that a few years ago.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: etiolate on December 15, 2011, 09:33:17 PM
don't forget Rubio and the T-Wolves
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 16, 2011, 12:30:08 AM
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Kobe Bryant blames owners

EL SEGUNDO, Calif. -- Kobe Bryant swears he's moved on from the three-team trade that was nixed by NBA commissioner David Stern last week, ultimately preventing the Los Angeles Lakers from acquiring Chris Paul.

But that doesn't mean Bryant is buying Stern's explanation that he acted independently of the protests of owners and vetoed the trade purely because of "basketball reasons."

"I think other owners did not want the Lakers to make significant improvements again," Bryant said after practice Thursday, hours before Paul's introductory news conference with the Los Angeles Clippers, less than five miles across town.

"We always contended as players that the lockout was really more so about the owners fighting amongst themselves, which is what you just saw [with the vetoed trade]," Bryant said. "You got Chris Paul coming here and the other owners weren't with that, because you don't want another great player coming to L.A., and all of the sudden Los Angeles has another player that can carry them on well after I retire. So, it's more about the owners bickering amongst themselves."

Bryant added that the Lakers were "getting hammered" by the new tenets of the recently ratified collective bargaining agreement, which will include a revenue sharing obligation of $50 million per season by the Lakers, as well as a more punitive luxury tax system that will severely penalize the Lakers unless they cut down their $83 million payroll between now and 2013-14 when the new taxes kick in.

Lakers owner Dr. Jerry Buss has continued to privately seethe over Stern's decision, according to a source with knowledge of the situation. Buss' anger did not boil over when the crosstown Clippers acquired Paul. But like Bryant, Buss took exception to Stern's characterization of what went on behind the scenes before the trade was vetoed.

Stern told reporters on a conference call Wednesday night that New Orleans Hornets general manager Dell Demps never believed the trade between the Lakers, Houston Rockets and Hornets was finished before Stern stepped in to kill it.

"That's a flat-out lie," said the source with knowledge of Buss' thinking.

Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak told reporters Monday that the team "did the best we can to express our displeasure" to the league.

Despite frustration from the Lakers over how the trade went down, especially since Lamar Odom was traded to the Dallas Mavericks because he requested a trade after being hurt by being included in the Paul deal, Bryant shrugged off the outcome.

"My message to the guys is, look: L.O. [Odom] is gone, there's nothing we can do about it," Bryant said. "So, other guys have to step up and contribute. Ron [Metta World Peace] has to have more responsibilities, [Devin] Ebanks has to have more responsibilities and that's just the way it goes."

Added Bryant: "It's just part of business. Sometimes you get trades done, sometimes you don't. It's as simple as that."

Lakers center Andrew Bynum isn't fretting the failed trade at all. In fact, he thinks the Lakers are better off with it falling through.

"I'm happy we didn't do it," Bynum said. "I don't think you trade two 7-footers for a point guard. Ever."

With the failed Lakers trade in the past, the Clippers' future looks bright having acquired Paul, Caron Butler and Chauncey Billups this offseason to complement the returning talent in Blake Griffin, Mo Williams and DeAndre Jordan.

"It's a great acquisition," said Bryant. "It's tough, Eric Gordon I've always thought extremely high of him and [Chris] Kaman had a year there where he played extremely well, so it's tough to see them go, but Chris is a fantastic player. They made a great addition."

When asked if the Clippers were a playoff team, Bryant said, "They should be."

He also believes they "could be" a contender to come out of the Western Conference.

"Their roster looks extremely impressive," Bryant said. "Chris is a great floor general. I'm sure they'll get after it defensively as well. There will be a lot of energy behind them. I'm sure they'll do more than well."

Bryant welcomed the shift in the professional basketball landscape in L.A.

"It's about damn time," Bryant said. "We had one year there where they were doing something in the playoffs and we weren't [in 2006]. And now it looks like it can be something that's more consistent."

Griffin's first words about Paul's arrival -- "Lob city!" he said gleefully to fellow high-flying teammate Jordan on Wednesday -- have already become a Twitter trending topic and a T-shirt in Los Angeles.

Bryant admitted the "Lob City" Clippers will be exciting.

"I'm definitely going to go watch them," Bryant said. "Come on, man. Blake Griffin has like a 60-inch vertical. Chris is vastly entertaining. For sure, I'll definitely check them out. They're a team with a high motor. They're young and they run up and down the floor and this, that and the other."

But he doesn't think an exciting style of play is necessary to be successful.

"I like jewelry. ... I like winning," Bryant said. "If at this stage of our careers we're the boring team, then we're the boring team. As long as we get results."

Bryant reiterated his stance that the Lakers were good enough to compete for a championship as presently constructed and continued to support the team's front office.

"I don't expect this to be a situation like it was in 2005 when they said, 'You know what? We're just going to cut payroll, we're just going to cut everything and not contend for a championship,'" Bryant said. "I don't expect that to be the case. I expect them to still try to be aggressive and make moves to build a championship team and if that's the case, I'll stand out of their way and let them do what they do.

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7358231/kobe-bryant-blames-owners-failed-chris-paul-los-angeles-lakers-deal
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: etiolate on December 16, 2011, 06:51:18 AM
Quote
"We always contended as players that the lockout was really more so about the owners fighting amongst themselves, which is what you just saw [with the vetoed trade]," Bryant said. "You got Chris Paul coming here and the other owners weren't with that, because you don't want another great player coming to L.A., and all of the sudden Los Angeles has another player that can carry them on well after I retire. So, it's more about the owners bickering amongst themselves."

I cannot tell if the players are selectively blind or just plain oblivious to their involvement in creating the climate of the trade. This is just as much if not more about the owners fighting against players dictating where they will play despite contractual obligations. The Lakers were only an option because they were the Lakers. I'm sure NO could have had more offers if every team didn't know Paul would destroy the trade if he didn't like the destination.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 16, 2011, 11:17:01 PM
Kobe's wife filed for divorce.  Worst week ever?
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on December 16, 2011, 11:19:27 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on December 16, 2011, 11:17:01 PM
Kobe's wife filed for divorce.  Worst week ever?
If you're a Lakers fan, yes. I'm a Heat fan, though, so I couldn't care less. :rofl
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 16, 2011, 11:26:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOG06rv_Ovw

If ever a smug emoticon was needed its right here.

 :smug
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 16, 2011, 11:36:14 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on December 16, 2011, 11:17:01 PM
Kobe's wife filed for divorce.  Worst week ever?

please let the papers have said 'for basketball reasons'
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 16, 2011, 11:49:07 PM
God damn I can't watch that Stern video without simultaneously wanting to plow Rachel Nichols and also beat Stern to death with his own sense of entitlement.  I HAS A CONFUSE
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: etiolate on December 17, 2011, 12:07:01 AM
Stern has that "I've gotten away with far worse" grin about him.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Beezy on December 17, 2011, 12:12:56 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 16, 2011, 11:36:14 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on December 16, 2011, 11:17:01 PM
Kobe's wife filed for divorce.  Worst week ever?

please let the papers have said 'for basketball reasons'
:rofl
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 17, 2011, 12:14:46 AM
The uploader has not made this video available in your country.
Sorry about that.

Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 17, 2011, 12:32:15 AM
meh

Kobe has no fucking right to complain about not having help after pushing Shaq out. If he wanted more rings, that was the time to do it.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 17, 2011, 12:34:29 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 17, 2011, 12:32:15 AM
meh

Kobe has no fucking right to complain about not having help after pushing Shaq out. If he wanted more rings, that was the time to do it.

FACT
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Mandark on December 17, 2011, 01:22:11 AM
I never like it when contenders dump salary (Sarrrrrverrrr!) but I'll be glad to avoid the "Well, Kobe did get as many rings as MJ..." arguments.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 17, 2011, 01:37:28 AM
Warriors pre-season opener tomorrow. You going down etiolate!
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: etiolate on December 17, 2011, 02:15:46 AM
It's on pilon!

Now begins the last temptation of Jimmer. Can he become the NBA's Tebow?
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 17, 2011, 03:19:12 AM
Quote from: Count Drugula The Satanic on December 17, 2011, 12:52:51 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 17, 2011, 12:32:15 AM
meh

Kobe has no fucking right to complain about not having help after pushing Shaq out. If he wanted more rings, that was the time to do it.

True, I was speaking mostly through fanboy dialect in that I'd like to see one my favorites get another ring.

I was happy to see Dirk and mostly Kidd get a ring, those dudes deserved it.

Sure, I understand that sentiment, and was delighted for Dirk, Kidd and Terry. But personally I'd be pulling for the likes of Grant Hill and Steve Nash to get a ring over anyone else at this point. They've put in years of excellence and haven't seen a 10th of the recognition that Kobe has, say. Hill has completely reshaped his game around the team's needs and his own capabilities, which I doubt Kobe will be able to do...if he's even playing at Hill's current age (38!)
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 17, 2011, 03:51:47 PM
http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/7362378/jeff-green-boston-celtics-heart-surgery-season

Unfortunate.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 17, 2011, 04:54:23 PM
Yeah, Steve Nash is a class act and it's unfortunate that he never got a ring.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Mandark on December 18, 2011, 05:51:19 AM
Speaking of players' time running out before they reach their goals, Brandon Roy retired today.

NBA fans got cheated by physiology out of seeing a strong Roy/Oden/Aldridge team.  Forget championships, that core never even got a memorable playoff run together.  Bah.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2011, 06:01:35 AM
Houston did okay tonight. I mean, we did go up against a Spurs team without Tony Parky and Tim Duncan but...we did well. Scola scored 20 points, and it was definitely his game. I think that Scola/Martin trade should have gone down though. Scola plays poor defense.

Solid pre-season game, but the Spurs were underpowered. Still Scola with 20 points in 21 minutes is pretty solid, Jordan Hill played well - let's see this on a consistent basis - and I always chuckle when the Spurs lose cuz fuck them Spurs.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Himu on December 18, 2011, 06:10:26 AM
Rockets still don't have a big man so they're in talks of acquiring Samuel Dalembert who is an FA. Going from Pau Gasol to Nene to Marc Gasol to this...lol.  Daryl Morey's definitely trying his hardest to get the team in shape.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 18, 2011, 06:33:09 AM
Quote from: Mandark on December 18, 2011, 05:51:19 AM
Speaking of players' time running out before they reach their goals, Brandon Roy retired today.

NBA fans got cheated by physiology out of seeing a strong Roy/Oden/Aldridge team.  Forget championships, that core never even got a memorable playoff run together.  Bah.

They never actually won a playoff series, so yeah. I hope he got a good buy-out from the Blazers 'cause he had a lot of years left on that contract. Very disappointing but the crazy thing is the Blazers keep finding other parts to plug in.

Speaking of the Blazers, I wish they'd amnesty Camby so the Celtics could get him. He's exactly what they need right now.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: etiolate on December 18, 2011, 08:07:28 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on December 18, 2011, 06:10:26 AM
Rockets still don't have a big man so they're in talks of acquiring Samuel Dalembert who is an FA. Going from Pau Gasol to Nene to Marc Gasol to this...lol.  Daryl Morey's definitely trying his hardest to get the team in shape.

After watching how bad the Kings are on defense, I kind of hope Dalembert will resign with Sacto.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Bacchus7 on December 19, 2011, 12:21:54 AM
Late but just wanted to post something as a tribute to BRoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YneamUqN1w
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 19, 2011, 02:04:18 AM
Unfortunately for the Trail Blazers, it was directly after this game [and possibly even as a result of it] that the World Champion Mavs emerged.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Brehvolution on December 19, 2011, 10:24:07 AM
Kyrie Irving looks like he's going to be a good one.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 19, 2011, 07:33:20 PM
http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/7370035/peja-stojakovic-decides-retirement-dallas-mavericks-championship-run

Not shocking but if not for the back woes, he could have given Ray a run for his money in career 3s, I thought. Oh well, at least he went on a relatively high note.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 19, 2011, 07:50:40 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 19, 2011, 07:33:20 PM
http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/7370035/peja-stojakovic-decides-retirement-dallas-mavericks-championship-run

Not shocking but if not for the back woes, he could have given Ray a run for his money in career 3s, I thought. Oh well, at least he went on a relatively high note.

In the Finals, Peja performed almost as poorly as LeBron. At least one of the two has the good sense to retire.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 19, 2011, 07:57:42 PM
One of them has a good excuse, jesus. Many people would have trouble getting out of bed with the kind of back and neck problems he has - my mum won early retirement for 'em!
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 19, 2011, 08:05:34 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 19, 2011, 07:57:42 PM
One of them has a good excuse, jesus. Many people would have trouble getting out of bed with the kind of back and neck problems he has

Are we talking about LeBron's lack of a spine?  :spin
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Mandark on December 19, 2011, 08:06:01 PM
Count it!
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 19, 2011, 08:08:56 PM
well-played :lol

Still think Peja deserves a pass on the Finals. He played his ass off against the Lakers - him and Terry raining threes to eliminate them is a very happy memory for me
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 19, 2011, 08:10:32 PM
He was pretty good with a 40-point lead.

I kid. And how could we expect Peja to have a good back after carrying Webber for all those years.

Which is Iverson's career TS% and which is Webber's.

.513
.518
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 20, 2011, 06:28:11 AM
FIVE DAYS   :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Mandark on December 20, 2011, 01:14:51 PM
This is the most I've looked forward to Christmas since I was a kid.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 20, 2011, 01:26:59 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 20, 2011, 01:14:51 PM
This is the most I've looked forward to Christmas since I was a kid.

I thought you were Jewish  :lenowned
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Mandark on December 20, 2011, 01:38:25 PM
This is America!  Don't tell me what I can or can't be. :wag
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 20, 2011, 07:36:04 PM
Celtics start out with 3 games in 4 nights. We're going to see a lot of shitty basketball unfortunately.

Hollinger makes a lot of sense in calling for the Nuggets to make a lot of regular-season noise this year, much as i hate to encourage ch1nchilla in any way. They're 12 deep, mostly young, and Karl will play them all. Plus, they were pretty damn good after the trade last year anyway. Not to mention the built-in advantage of altitude that Denver always has - which will be even more of a factor this year.

Still, I'm betting the vet teams will mostly improve in the playoffs with some rest. I expect the standings to be utterly bizarre by the end of the reg season though.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 20, 2011, 08:05:43 PM
It was so sweet to wear my Clippers shirt to the gym today.  Many of the Lakers fans are already freaking out after yesterday's loss to the Clippers.  Either they whine about Stern or insist that they need to get Dwight. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 20, 2011, 08:36:09 PM
I'm shocked you haven't switched your slogan to 'Clippers fan since way back' yet actually :lol
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 20, 2011, 08:45:52 PM
You're a little to optimistic for a Clippers' fan.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 20, 2011, 08:49:12 PM
Well, I still want to see Lebron get his 1st ring + Finals MVP really bad.  The Clippers thing is more to annoy the Lakers fan.  I also wore a Clippers jersey after the CP3 trade went bad for the Lakers, even before there were talks of the Clips getting CP3. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 20, 2011, 09:35:30 PM
Cormac, did you watch the Clippers/Lakers game yesterday?  D Jordan threw down a ridiculous facial on Bynum and Gasol.  Ball was at least at the top of the box. 

Blake's D was kinda disappointing though.  Gasol pretty much got whatever shot he wanted.  I was hoping that he would be just as beastly on the defensive end this year.  Looks like it'll take a little while longer. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 21, 2011, 12:56:51 AM
None of the pre-season games are on league pass, which is a rip (they showed 'em last year...).

For some reason, the stat guys don't project Blake to be a defensive force any time soon. You'd think he's be an awesome shotblocker but, like rebounding, that really does seem to be a skill as much an athletic feat. The light may go on, it may not. Certainly there are plenty of guys that I've expected for years to be hell on wheels defensively that never became even average defenders.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Mandark on December 21, 2011, 01:07:27 AM
The Explosively Athletic Power Forward doesn't seem to be as great a defensive archetype as the Lanky, Long-Armed Center.  Andrew Bogut's apparently developed into a top-notch defender (I never see Bucks games) despite not being the greatest leaper.

I could definitely see Blake getting some of those LeBron-style highlight swats from the weakside, though.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 21, 2011, 01:14:34 AM
Well, there are a billion guys with less athleticism and height who defend way better than Blake. Chuck Hayes and Shane Battier leap to mind. If he can learn the schemes and move his feet, he can be average. If he can do that and give the same effort he does on offense (as LeBron does), he could be spectacular surely.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 21, 2011, 08:35:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CMJ7vCdPqA&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Beezy on December 21, 2011, 09:46:18 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 21, 2011, 09:47:50 PM
Kobe's listed day to day with a busted wallet and wounded pride.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 24, 2011, 12:19:57 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk2GuUMpdbg
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Himu on December 24, 2011, 12:28:18 AM
the clippers :o
Title: Re: NBA season thread (CP3 to Blake all day)
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 24, 2011, 12:31:28 AM
Pretty much ANY of the Clippers highlights were better than what they put up there as #1.  Laughable.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 24, 2011, 12:37:45 AM
lol @ #1, I guess they had to throw the Lakers a bone.

 :o @ #5
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: etiolate on December 24, 2011, 04:13:05 AM
poor lakers, getting pity highlights

the best part of the rubio/williams oop was the ball bouncing off the guys face :lol

Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 24, 2011, 05:21:33 AM
Are you going to be like this all f'ing season? It's irritating already. Stop hating. This thread is about the love.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 24, 2011, 06:11:08 AM
Fuck that, I'll be hating on LeBron for life.

Go warriors.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Mandark on December 25, 2011, 01:04:16 PM
BASKETBALL!
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 25, 2011, 02:37:23 PM
If I have the starting lineup and math correct, the average age of the Mavericks' starting lineup is 34 and will rise to 34.67 by the Finals.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 25, 2011, 02:55:01 PM
Chandler  6 blocks.

 :bow2
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Himu on December 25, 2011, 03:24:46 PM
Jesus Christ Miami
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 25, 2011, 03:35:56 PM
I still marvel that they let Chandler go. The Mavs defense sucks now.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Himu on December 25, 2011, 03:53:25 PM
Miami offense getting sloppy
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 25, 2011, 07:16:51 PM

Poor Chris Bosh. Big Three?   :lol
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Himu on December 25, 2011, 08:02:12 PM
Lakers and Bulls game  :o
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Beezy on December 25, 2011, 11:56:15 PM
Deng's feet definitely touched the floor before he passed the ball. Refs screwed the Lakers on that play but I don't care. I was hoping that they'd lose.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 26, 2011, 12:55:31 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxHl9JYm-IM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-isKmafSafM
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 26, 2011, 09:48:20 PM
Dallas getting crushed 69-42 at half. That team has issues. Their defense is GONE!
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Himu on December 26, 2011, 09:50:30 PM
Oh my god the Rockets :(

Offense was really poor. Lots of many lost shot opportunities, they shut down Dwight better than I thought they would though.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 26, 2011, 09:52:40 PM
Don't worry, Brendon Hayword will go hard in the paint and play d
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 26, 2011, 10:01:06 PM
Rashard Lewis


25 minutes tonight.
2-8
9 pts.

His salary is $22 million this year.

What must that feel like? I'm serious. Do you feel like fuck yeah. I'm getting over. Is there a little bit of embarrassment. Or is he just numb to the whole thing and its like going into a crappy job you hate and you just can't wait for the weekends...
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 27, 2011, 12:56:31 AM
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=311226023

 :P
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 27, 2011, 01:06:14 AM
Ricky Rubio Bandwagon starts here. ROTY!
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Himu on December 27, 2011, 01:07:06 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 27, 2011, 12:56:31 AM
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=311226023

 :P

Etiolate must be so happy.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 27, 2011, 02:27:05 AM
ALL HAIL BASED KWAME
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 27, 2011, 02:29:53 AM
One play you'll see variations off on a lot of highlight reels this year: Kevin Love outlets, Rubio streaks, finds Derrick Williams for a dunk or lay-up. It's money. Ridnour won't start for more than another 5-10 games, if that, I bet.

Really liking the Wolves' core, strangely. There's plenty there for Adelman to work with, and he's installed a bunch of his trademark hand-offs, triple screens, and back-door cuts already. He needs some shooters though, ugh.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 27, 2011, 02:38:44 AM
Ridnour should be thrown out the door, he offers nothing. Rubio/Barea is the back court they should be using.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 27, 2011, 02:45:04 AM
Yeah, I was genuinely like BUH when I saw him in the starting line-up. Congrats to him for ekeing out a decently long career but jeez, he has been out of his depth in the NBA since day one.

Durant is in playoff form already. I think he may be the only person in the NBA who still has their jumper working.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 27, 2011, 02:45:15 AM
Quote from: pilonv1 on December 27, 2011, 02:38:44 AM
Ridnour should be thrown out the door, he offers nothing.

bullshit. He offers lulz.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K5yjysDG7o
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 27, 2011, 02:53:12 AM
Well yes, but I'm looking at it from a Wolves point of view. He's useless.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 27, 2011, 03:12:26 AM
so, I am now back in 'not reading ESPN mode' 'til I'm done watching for the day. What other games were worth a look tonight? Got Bulls-GSW on right now. Seen Wolves - OKC and Grizz-Spurs already.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 27, 2011, 03:18:37 AM
Kings/Lakers
Wolves/Bucks
Suns/Hornets
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 27, 2011, 03:20:41 AM
Quote from: pilonv1 on December 27, 2011, 03:18:37 AM
Kings/Lakers
Wolves/Bucks
Suns/Hornets

WAT?  You mean Bucks/Bobcats, rite???  The T-Wolves played the Thunder.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 27, 2011, 03:22:50 AM
Yes that's what I mean. Had the Wolves/Bucks pre-season in my mind.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: etiolate on December 27, 2011, 06:19:14 AM
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/photos?gameId=311226023&photoId=1753330#photo_1753330
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 27, 2011, 07:42:32 AM
:bow RICKY :bow2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzB1z-_2F_M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vno5QTmq0JE&feature=related
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 27, 2011, 09:27:17 PM
Steve Kerr is trolling Mike Fratello so hard  :lol
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 27, 2011, 09:41:04 PM
yeah

Miami really has found their identity now. They're not hamstrung by Bibby and half-dead centers like Big Z anymore and can actually run. This is some serious Showtime shit. Last night we had the play where LeBron goes up for the oop, then passes it, tonight he lobs it to Wade for 20+ feet out, who misses, then LeBron comes in for the rebound and the basket. Ridiculous. Much as I want the Celtics to win, it's not happening against this juggernaut. LeBron and Wade don't have to do a thing from the perimeter with this offense, which means insanely high-percentage shots most of the time. I haven't seen a team that looks remotely this good yet :'(
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 27, 2011, 09:45:49 PM
My Hawks are pwning the Nets something hard apparently
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 27, 2011, 09:53:14 PM
not my first choice on LP today, sorry  :lol
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 27, 2011, 09:56:35 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on December 27, 2011, 09:45:49 PM
My Hawks are pwning the Nets something hard apparently

Think about how bad Washington actually is now.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 27, 2011, 09:59:28 PM
Cormac- wouldn't have been mine either :P

pilon- LET ME HAVE MY MOMENT
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 27, 2011, 10:57:18 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 27, 2011, 09:41:04 PM
yeah

Miami really has found their identity now. They're not hamstrung by Bibby and half-dead centers like Big Z anymore and can actually run. This is some serious Showtime shit. Last night we had the play where LeBron goes up for the oop, then passes it, tonight he lobs it to Wade for 20+ feet out, who misses, then LeBron comes in for the rebound and the basket. Ridiculous. Much as I want the Celtics to win, it's not happening against this juggernaut. LeBron and Wade don't have to do a thing from the perimeter with this offense, which means insanely high-percentage shots most of the time. I haven't seen a team that looks remotely this good yet :'(

Norris Cole is such an upgrade from Bibby its insane.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 27, 2011, 11:04:05 PM
So far, he's been awesome. If the Heat had some serious shooters, they'd be laughing at this zone though. Mike Miller may help with that going forward.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 27, 2011, 11:10:54 PM
If the Heat (esp LeBron) can keep playing pissed all year long and into the playoffs I don't see them being stopped.  Will be fun to watch regardless, I just like to see exciting play since I don't have a real rooting interest- Hawks don't count.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 27, 2011, 11:12:34 PM
If the Heat win this year we'll hear lots of "it was a short season blah blah" negative spin
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 27, 2011, 11:27:25 PM
...and we won't listen to those fools, because the playoffs will be exactly the same length
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 27, 2011, 11:28:15 PM
i mean, it would be amusing if they suggested that the Heat only REACHED the playoffs because of the shortened season i suppose :lol
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 28, 2011, 12:00:16 AM
If the Heat lose this year, we'll hear a lot of "it was a short season doesn't count anyway blah blah" positive spin.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Mandark on December 28, 2011, 12:05:08 AM
Nah, they'd get ripped mercilessly, especially LeBron, and everyone would speculate on how long Spoelstra and Bosh were going to stay with the team.

The Bulls and the Thunder, even though they're looking to win now, feature young enough players (who didn't predict a slew of championships while switching teams) to still have a grace period.  That's long gone for the Heat.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: T-Short on December 28, 2011, 05:04:36 AM
Just watched the Miami - Boston game, Norris Cole  :o

lol @ Chalmers, starting out the second half with 4 TO:s in 4 possessions, and Cole just beasting it in the 4:th. Cool kid
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: DJ_Tet on December 28, 2011, 04:34:09 PM
Excited to see this Cole kid tonight in Charlotte.  This is the only Miami Heat game we get unfortunately :(

Last game was as fun as any last year though so I'm excited.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 28, 2011, 04:46:42 PM
If I had to pick, I'd say the finals are gonna be OKC vs. Miami and I don't really know which team will win.  OKC is young and their team stayed pretty much intact from last year, while the Heat are just pissed although still susceptible to a zone.  I like Kevin Durant better than anyone on the Heat but that's just a matter of personal preference.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 28, 2011, 06:54:09 PM
Durant is pretty boss, plus he's had an impressive porn career thus far

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Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 28, 2011, 06:55:50 PM
Everyone is picking that Finals match-up, pretty much. It'd be a fun series to watch - transition baskets galore - but I think the Heat would win that one handily, really. Who is going to guard LeBron? Durant would get killed and the coach would have to hide him elsewhere. Ibaka would get fouled out. On the other hand, LeBron can keep Durant outside the 3pt line for the whole series if he so chooses. Durant can still score plenty but the efficiency would go right down. Westbrook has the physical tools to guard Wade but makes too many mistakes to really be a good defender. Over a series, Wade would eat his lunch and they'd have to put Harden on him.

Now the Grizzlies are a team that could actually guard the Heat. Unleash Tony Allen on either Wade and LeBron and you have a fighting chance. Z-Bo and Gasol would destroy the Heat's front line in the paint, I'm betting.

Of course, as we saw last night, the zone can be wildly effective against the Heat but if they get Mike Miller back, they can just go small and load up on shooting with James Jones and Miller and hit 3s until the zone gets called off. They definitely need to work on their anti-zone offense more though.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 28, 2011, 08:54:07 PM
Heat looking exhausted today, after the Celtics taking them to the wire last night. There are going to be a lot of lousy games this season :lol In general so far, turnovers seem way up, and the shooting has been horrible.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Himu on December 28, 2011, 09:25:54 PM
oh my fucking god, my rockets :(
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 28, 2011, 09:33:04 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 28, 2011, 08:54:07 PM
Heat looking exhausted today, after the Celtics taking them to the wire last night. There are going to be a lot of lousy games this season :lol In general so far, turnovers seem way up, and the shooting has been horrible.

True but I think the older teams are going to struggle the most. I'm know the Celtics are missing Pierce but there is a decent chance they will start the season 0-3. It won't matter because the east is full of so many weak teams but still.

Dallas also has a pretty good chance of starting 0-3 as they play the Thunder tomorrow and unfortunately for them the west is not nearly as easy.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 28, 2011, 09:38:42 PM
I've given up on Dallas competing this year. Haven't seen the slightest shred of effort from them yet, which they'll really need to offset their personnel losses. I think Carlisle can work wonders with a smallball line-up eventually, but they have to fucking wake up first.

Celtics are a lost cause without Pierce. KG still plays hard but he just can't seem to take a goddamn shot anymore.  Which leaves Rondo and Ray, and Rondo still can't shoot. After that it's basically Brandon Bass carrying the load, which is not a great place to be.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 29, 2011, 12:49:46 AM
Brandon Knight looked pretty good tonight but god...the Pistons are horrible. This has to be one of the worst rosters in the NBA. Hopefully Dumars gets fired after this season
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 29, 2011, 01:16:59 AM
Heat Grizzlies finals.

Calling it now.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 29, 2011, 01:45:26 AM
Sounds good, lord knows we all need a best of 7 series of announcers telling us how "smart" and "intelligent" Kevin Love is
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Mandark on December 29, 2011, 01:52:28 AM
Don't beat around the bush, PD.  Who are you calling racist, Breen or Van Gundy?



PS Did the Grizzlies trade for Kevin Love or what?
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 29, 2011, 01:57:44 AM
No one specific, it's more of a symptom of most sports commentating, especially basketball; with football those comments tend to be aimed at QBs exclusively, whereas any white guy who has post moves or ball handling skill is a a Rhodes Scholar.

edit: rant, but yea that annoys me
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: T-Short on December 29, 2011, 04:07:35 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 29, 2011, 12:49:46 AM
Brandon Knight looked pretty good tonight but god...the Pistons are horrible. This has to be one of the worst rosters in the NBA. Hopefully Dumars gets fired after this season

Yeah, what happened to Austin Daye in the offseason? He has been 0 for 8 over two games now, throwing up brick after brick when he's not turning the ball over. huahua

edit:
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Take away Brandon Knight’s 10 of 13 and the rest of the Pistons shot 26 of 68.

LOL
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: etiolate on December 29, 2011, 05:44:41 AM
I think most pro athletes are actually totally clueless about the ins and outs of their own sport.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 29, 2011, 08:09:21 AM
Quote from: pilonv1 on December 27, 2011, 02:27:05 AM
ALL HAIL BASED KWAME

lol knicks
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 29, 2011, 01:20:03 PM
Quote from: etiolate on December 29, 2011, 05:44:41 AM
I think most pro athletes are actually totally clueless about the ins and outs of their own sport.

This is because most athletes, god bless 'em, are fucking idiots.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 29, 2011, 01:28:08 PM
Quote from: etiolate on December 29, 2011, 05:44:41 AM
I think most pro athletes are actually totally clueless about the ins and outs of their own sport.

There's no other explanation why the Kings didn't take the league to the Supreme Court
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 29, 2011, 10:50:43 PM
1st time Dallas has looked like they gave a shit this season. Fun game, classic Trick or Treat Westbrook performance.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 29, 2011, 10:51:19 PM
Wow. Big Shot.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 29, 2011, 10:53:47 PM
Holy Fucking Shit.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 29, 2011, 10:56:07 PM
:lol yeah

totally down for another whole series of these guys shootin' it out.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 30, 2011, 12:45:32 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfFuzPDu2L8
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 30, 2011, 01:16:16 AM
oh shit  :o

Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 30, 2011, 07:31:50 AM
Kevin Love does seem bright for an athlete.

Remarkable Dallas stats (I'm bored):

Greg Stiemsma in 20 minutes of playing time for the Celtics has two more blocks than the entire Dallas Mavericks' roster in three games. 

Ten players on the team have a FG% of .423 or worse.

Lamar Odom has a FG% of .148. His PER is -3.8. MINUS!

The two centers are averaging a combined 3.3 defense rebounds per game.



Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: benjipwns on December 30, 2011, 08:50:40 AM
Quote from: Hyoushi on December 29, 2011, 04:07:35 AM
Yeah, what happened to Austin Daye in the offseason? He has been 0 for 8 over two games now, throwing up brick after brick when he's not turning the ball over. huahua
It's that horrific facial hair. He went from looking like he was a tall 13 year old to a child molester.

Only explanation.

Brandon Knight against the Cavs was just...then again it was the Cavs.

Why did Joe D give Stuckey $25 million again?

Oh wait, he's paying Charlie V and Ben Gordon $20 million a year to miss long twos.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: T-Short on December 30, 2011, 10:47:19 AM
Hehe, yeah, I don't think Daye looks any older with the goatee. Wonder if a guy like Steph Curry will ever age though? They called him "Middle School" during his rookie year, best NBA nickname ever :lol
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 30, 2011, 10:22:12 PM
:drudge

RICKY RUBIO IS PLAYING BASKETBALL. EVERYONE SHOULD BE WATCHING

:drudge

Seriously, there is no competition for ROTY. And this doesn't get said enough, David Kahn is a genius :lol

The kid just completely suckered the Heat defense by calmly pointing Kevin Love to his spot for the high pick and roll, then lobbed it to a completely free Anthony Randolph at the rim :lol Everything he does is just wildly entertaining. The bandwagon still has plenty of room
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 30, 2011, 10:29:53 PM
High quality product Joe Dumars has on the floor, I'm telling you
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 30, 2011, 10:43:28 PM
Wolves got cheated out of a win, disgraceful call & continuation
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 30, 2011, 11:39:52 PM
Mavs finally got a win tonight, too bad it was against the Raptors.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 31, 2011, 01:57:03 AM
https://twitter.com/BScalabrine24/status/153000558893076480
 :lol
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Himu on December 31, 2011, 01:59:16 AM
Rockets are 0-2 :(

our defense and offense are horrific
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 31, 2011, 02:47:18 AM
Wolves needn't be too mad tonight though - they gave the Heat all they can handle all night long. They know not only who their best point guard is now - hell, they know who their best PLAYER is. Ridnour is back on the bench where he belongs. Finally, they can draw a fucking line under that PG spot :lol
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 01, 2012, 08:26:16 PM
The Heat are 5-0.

(http://i.imgur.com/UvyVK.gif)
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 01, 2012, 09:13:50 PM
Dallas sucks. And this is their fifth game?! The season just started last Sunday.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 01, 2012, 09:28:22 PM
This team can't shoot, this team can't play defense, and this team can't rebound. A team of Vince Carter, Jason Terry, Jason Kidd, Lamar Odom, Shawn Marion, and Dirk Nowitzki would dominate in 2004. In 2012, they are getting dominated by the Timberwolves.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 01, 2012, 09:34:23 PM
just lie back and think of the cap room next year, dude
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Mandark on January 01, 2012, 09:43:11 PM
Hm. (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/kings/story/2012-01-01/demarcus-cousins-benched-trade/52324488/1)
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 01, 2012, 10:06:24 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on January 01, 2012, 09:13:50 PM
Dallas sucks. And this is their fifth game?! The season just started last Sunday.

They're more likely to be really shaky early and get better towards the end of the season, considering that the lost two three major pieces from last years team. If they're 10-23 at the half-way point I'll be freaking out but not after their fifth game.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: etiolate on January 01, 2012, 10:26:56 PM
Quote from: Mandark on January 01, 2012, 09:43:11 PM
Hm. (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/kings/story/2012-01-01/demarcus-cousins-benched-trade/52324488/1)

Sam Amick @sam_amick Close
Kings coach Paul Westphal says Cousins demanded to be traded: "When a player continually, aggressively, lets it be known that he is...

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Westphal: "...unwilling/unable to embrace traveling in the same direction as his team, it cannot be ignored indefinitely."

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Cousins' agent, John Greig, tells SI.com: "DeMarcus never demanded a trade. I'm surprised the Kings, if they believe the player wanted..."

Greig: "...a trade, wouldn't have made a phone call to his representative. Maybe Westphal is just feeling the heat early this season."

Cousins told Westphal twice to trade him, as the Kings coach told media, but Kings big man's camp contends it wasn't a legitimate demand.

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They contend it was responsive, as in "If you don't like me, then trade me now." Westphal-Cousins relationship obviously in dire straits.



The amazing thing is that the Kings FO acted as though  the roster and coach were a winning formula.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 01, 2012, 10:44:34 PM
Demarcus Cousins was a headcase before he got to Kentucky. Dude is super talented and perhaps could be really good, but jeez...
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: T234 on January 01, 2012, 10:48:56 PM
Yeah, he was definitely a headcase before he got here.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: etiolate on January 01, 2012, 10:54:41 PM
Cousins calling out Westphal doesn't make him much of a headcase in my view. If this team had a vet, the vet would be doing it.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 01, 2012, 11:46:35 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on January 01, 2012, 10:42:44 PM
Kobe just had the worst game of his career.
6-28? Jesus.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 02, 2012, 12:10:24 AM
Was tanking against Denver part of the settlement agreement with the hotel employee?
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 02, 2012, 12:14:33 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 01, 2012, 10:06:24 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on January 01, 2012, 09:13:50 PM
Dallas sucks. And this is their fifth game?! The season just started last Sunday.

They're more likely to be really shaky early and get better towards the end of the season, considering that the lost two three major pieces from last years team. If they're 10-23 at the half-way point I'll be freaking out but not after their fifth game.

They will make the playoffs and they probably will even end up with a decent record but they are screwed for this season unless they land Dwight Howard or something. They have no defense and a lack of intangible pieces and none of the pieces really fit and they are a year older.  Having Vince Carter on your team is symbolic of under-achieving.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 02, 2012, 12:37:06 AM
A playoff spot isn't a given. This team cannot afford to lose winnable games early on in the season because they are going to get hit hard by the condensed schedule. And, as Stoney just pointed out, Vince Carter!
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 02, 2012, 12:38:12 AM
Vince Carter actually been one of the team's best players this season. :lol
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: etiolate on January 02, 2012, 05:51:00 AM
Watching Rubio play is bittersweet. I love the way he plays, but all the time i watch him, I think how he would answer every problem the Kings have and the team passed on drafting him.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 02, 2012, 06:04:18 AM
E-toilet, I think you (and pretty much everyone else, honestly) would be better off if they just contracted the Kings.  Then you could spend your time concentrating on more potentially rewarding things, like watching paint dry or counting your pubes or something.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: pilonv1 on January 02, 2012, 06:59:38 AM
NBA isn't contracting anyone. Move them to Seattle.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 02, 2012, 07:08:07 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 02, 2012, 12:38:12 AM
Vince Carter actually been one of the team's best players this season. :lol
If one of the team's best players is averaging 8/2/2 on 35% shooting, it's time to scout Andre Drummond.

He doesn't have a negative PER, so I guess that's something.

Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 02, 2012, 12:09:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbvO3ptQTGE
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 02, 2012, 12:10:59 PM
Most fun PG since White Chocolate baby
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 02, 2012, 12:11:56 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 02, 2012, 12:10:59 PM
Most fun PG since White Chocolate baby

Don't jinx him with that moniker.  :P
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 02, 2012, 01:55:47 PM
http://str8media.wordpress.com/2011/12/30/i-have-always-been-a-michael-jordan-fan-until-now/
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 02, 2012, 10:07:06 PM
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One final note: San Antonio coach Gregg Popovich was asked about Ricky Rubio. Specifically, how difficult it would be for him to adjust to American culture. Popovich's response was classic: "These guys, they travel around the world," Popovich said of international players like Rubio and his own Manu Ginobili. "They're more cultured than we are. Everyone acts like Americans are the ones... we have sort of an arrogance about us. Like we're the cultured ones? Are you serious? Have you watched TV lately? Have you seen what Americans do? How many languages do you speak? And you wonder how they're going to adjust to our culture? I hope they avoid it and keep their own!"

 :bow2


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His answer isn't really relevant to the question. I just like Pop being Pop.
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Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: etiolate on January 02, 2012, 10:57:20 PM
dayum pop

He's right, there is some severe euro hate amongst certain NBA fans. Actually NBA fandom is full of stuff that is quietly racist and nationalistic.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Mandark on January 02, 2012, 11:04:47 PM
Yeah, man, some fans just seem to be really embittered and hateful towards some aspects of the NBA.  It's crazy!   :spin
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 03, 2012, 12:46:31 AM
Hawks hand the heat their first loss.  ZONE, BITCHES  :punch
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: etiolate on January 03, 2012, 02:43:03 AM
a bit of a soccer fan
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: T-Short on January 03, 2012, 09:22:23 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 02, 2012, 10:07:06 PM
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One final note: San Antonio coach Gregg Popovich was asked about Ricky Rubio. Specifically, how difficult it would be for him to adjust to American culture. Popovich's response was classic: "These guys, they travel around the world," Popovich said of international players like Rubio and his own Manu Ginobili. "They're more cultured than we are. Everyone acts like Americans are the ones... we have sort of an arrogance about us. Like we're the cultured ones? Are you serious? Have you watched TV lately? Have you seen what Americans do? How many languages do you speak? And you wonder how they're going to adjust to our culture? I hope they avoid it and keep their own!"

 :bow2


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holy shit :bow2
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 03, 2012, 10:02:29 AM
Popovich's response was a non-sequitur. It's as if he thinks "adjust to" equates to "assimilate."
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 03, 2012, 11:53:04 AM
It's amazing how much they bend over to kiss Kobe's ass in LA. These are the quotes after that awful Kobe shooting game earlier.

Quote
Brown, who said he "coached a bad game," wished Bynum and Gasol were utilized in the post more often.


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"I put the onus on me on that, being a little tired and not getting down the court," Bynum said after finishing with 18 points on 7-for-12 shooting to go with 16 rebounds in his second game back from a four-game suspension to start the season. "If I get down the court first I have to get the ball. So, I need to make that happen in order to get the ball."


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"We always start inside-out," Bryant said, when asked about Bynum and Pau Gasol's effectiveness on offense. "If you mean (to ask me) if I'm going to shoot less, the answer is no. It starts with me. I do what I do and we play off of that. That's not going to change."

Brown backed up Bryant's stance after their impromptu film session. Brown said he had watched cut-ups of a game tape with LeBron James when he coached the Cleveland Cavaliers, but never watched a full game tape all the way through with his prized pupil.

"When you look at (6-for-28 in the box score), you think 'Oh my gosh, there's got to be a ton of bad shots,'" Brown said. "But if you go back and watch the game you see some of the shots he took, there were a lot of shots he took -- (I know) because I coached against him -- he normally makes."

I mean you can't make that shit up. Kobe has that entire franchise on castration lockdown.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 03, 2012, 12:06:54 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 03, 2012, 11:53:04 AM
It's amazing how much they bend over to kiss Kobe's ass in LA. These are the quotes after that awful Kobe shooting game earlier.

I mean you can't make that shit up. Kobe has that entire franchise on castration lockdown.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u93bhAimFFU
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 03, 2012, 03:30:57 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 03, 2012, 11:53:04 AM
I mean you can't make that shit up. Kobe has that entire franchise on castration lockdown.

"Sure, Kobe forced himself on to me, but really I should want his penis inside my butt."
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 03, 2012, 05:14:30 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on January 03, 2012, 03:30:57 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 03, 2012, 11:53:04 AM
I mean you can't make that shit up. Kobe has that entire franchise on castration lockdown.

"Sure, Kobe forced himself on to me, but really I should want his penis inside my butt."


He'd probably try to jack it up from 25 feet out and clang it off the rim.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 03, 2012, 08:00:34 PM
Josh Howard doesn't do plays.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 04, 2012, 09:44:25 AM
Kobe is taking four more shots per game to average 3 1/2 fewer points than LeBron.  :lol
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: etiolate on January 04, 2012, 01:07:49 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on January 03, 2012, 06:41:01 PM
The Jazz look pretty awful so far.  Run some fucking plays!  Getting 4 guys under the basket who try for bad layup after bad layup isn't working.

Just think. If you were a talented 6'11 black dude saying this, you'd be sent home and called a cancer!
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Himu on January 04, 2012, 02:41:03 PM
The Rockets :lol :(

Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2012, 04:01:23 PM
Ostertag in D-League:
(http://cdn2.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/2580035/mb0pl5_large.jpg)
Quote
Ostertag became the oldest player in the D-League when he joined the Texas Legends earlier in the week and, in a move that wasn't at all surprising, the 38-year-old looked that way when he took the court for the D-League affiliate of the Dallas Mavericks. The longtime center for the Utah Jazz scored just two points in 17 minutes of court time while fouling four times to almost offset the 11 rebounds he hauled in for the losing team.

It's obvious that Ostertag plans to play his way in to shape over the next two weeks leading up to the make-or-break D-League Showcase, but as the picture at left shows, he isn't exactly in shape as of yet. His conditioning was most apparent when getting beat in the paint -- the fouls he picked up came as a result of this -- but there were numerous times when the Legends pushed the ball up court only to find themselves going 4-on-5 as Ostertag lumbered his way back on the offensive end.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 04, 2012, 05:04:35 PM
Only 38? Dude needs to wait a few years before the Mavs will be interested in him.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 04, 2012, 05:05:32 PM
He has a nice rack.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Bacchus7 on January 04, 2012, 07:43:32 PM
I just remember him dropkicking the ball into the stands and walking off the court in one Jazz game long ago.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 04, 2012, 08:56:55 PM
Khloe Kardashian does not look good sitting next to her sister, Kim, at the Mavs game. With Kim in the house it means a basketball player is going to get laid tonight. It won't be Nash, Gortat, Nowitzki or Cardinal, obviously. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 04, 2012, 09:14:46 PM
Dirk is playing in his 1000th career regular season game, but he's not among the top ten active players.

1.    Jason Kidd    1273
2.    Kevin Garnett    1201
3.    Juwan Howard    1177
4.    Derek Fisher    1117
5.    Kobe Bryant    1110
6.    Ray Allen    1108
7.    Steve Nash    1095
8.    Tim Duncan    1058
9.    Ben Wallace    1031
10.    Kurt Thomas    1023
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 04, 2012, 09:15:46 PM
Jason Kidd is oooooooooold.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 04, 2012, 09:20:24 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on January 04, 2012, 09:16:18 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on January 04, 2012, 08:56:55 PM
Khloe Kardashian does not look good sitting next to her sister, Kim, at the Mavs game. With Kim in the house it means a basketball player is going to get laid tonight. It won't be Nash, Gortat, Nowitzki or Cardinal, obviously.
(http://celebritiesgettingfat.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/ex_khloe_kardashian_pool_party2.jpg)

I guess I could've been more concise.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 04, 2012, 09:22:47 PM
 :-X
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 04, 2012, 09:40:44 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on January 04, 2012, 09:14:46 PM
Dirk is playing in his 1000th career regular season game, but he's not among the top ten active players.

1.    Jason Kidd    1273
2.    Kevin Garnett    1201
3.    Juwan Howard    1177
4.    Derek Fisher    1117
5.    Kobe Bryant    1110
6.    Ray Allen    1108
7.    Steve Nash    1095
8.    Tim Duncan    1058
9.    Ben Wallace    1031
10.    Kurt Thomas    1023

The real shock of this list is that Ben Wallace is still considered "active"
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 04, 2012, 10:45:29 PM
Knicks defense is still terrible. They gave up 118 points to the Bobcats on 55% shooting.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 04, 2012, 10:50:44 PM
Yes, but the Knicks are still good enough to make the playoffs, and it's so cute when all of the NY celebs get excited about that like it means something and show up to watch them lose.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: etiolate on January 04, 2012, 11:27:18 PM
Paul Westphal may be the first coach to be literally axed.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Beezy on January 05, 2012, 12:05:21 AM
Ben Wallace is still around? Which team is he on?
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 05, 2012, 12:26:33 AM
The Pistons, apparently.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 05, 2012, 03:03:06 AM
Clippers looked really good tonight. I get the feeling Chris Paul has been keeping the candy from Griffin and Jordan until tonight, where the offense was actually pretty organized. He can feed them lobs any old time he wants, everybody knows that. He's just not gonna 'til they quit fucking around :lol

Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: pilonv1 on January 05, 2012, 06:13:32 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 04, 2012, 10:45:29 PM
Knicks defense is still terrible. They gave up 118 points to the Bobcats on 55% shooting.

This is the only solace I have now that the Warriors are worse than they were 12 months ago.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 05, 2012, 06:30:15 PM
of course ESPN is making a huge deal out of the fact that Lebron had a big game without Wade starting
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 05, 2012, 07:34:24 PM
I haven't seen the ESPN coverage for obvious reasons but I did see that game, and it was a huge one, as has been every game LeBron has played this season pretty much. Why is it weird to make a big fuss about the best player in the league? I get that no-one will give him any credit until he scores 50 on a broken leg to sweep the Lakers in the finals playing 1 on 5 but you can understand that it's still the biggest story ESPN had in the NBA yesterday, right?
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: etiolate on January 05, 2012, 07:36:59 PM
all I see on ESPN is the glorious news of Westphal fired

petrie's up next!

If only the city could fire the Maloofs

(Save me Burkle)
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 05, 2012, 07:51:35 PM
LeBron's PER is 36.84.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 05, 2012, 09:23:49 PM
...and the next closest is Kevin Love, at 29.85.

As good as Chris Paul is, and how much fuss was made over him, he's at 23.75. This is probably LeBron's peak. He's playing in the post a TON, and is basically unstoppable from there. (minor rant: I swear to god, most viewers don't even recognize 'post play' when they see it. Unless it's super-obvious like Shaq or Z-Bo, players just don't get credit for it. Yes, you can play 'in the post' while simultaneously facing the basket! And it extends beyond the paint! /rant)
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 05, 2012, 09:50:10 PM
Quote from: etiolate on January 05, 2012, 07:36:59 PM
all I see on ESPN is the glorious news of Westphal fired

petrie's up next!

If only the city could fire the Maloofs

(Save me Burkle)

Most likely, the NBA will fire Sacramento.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 05, 2012, 11:42:22 PM
Triple OT in Atlanta. Heating playing without Lebron and Wade.


 :lol at Atlanta
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 05, 2012, 11:47:43 PM
Jesus, we beat them the other day IN MIAMI when they had James.  This is sad.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 05, 2012, 11:54:00 PM
Miami Wins 116-109

 :rofl
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 05, 2012, 11:57:13 PM
BACK TO ROOTING FOR THE THUNDER I GUESS

Come on NBA stars, Atlanta may not have awesome beaches or be a first rate media market, but I DEFY YOU to go to Magic City and say other cities have better strip clubs.  That shit has got to count for something.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: etiolate on January 06, 2012, 12:47:07 AM
NBA should fire Atlanta

fans won't care
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Beezy on January 06, 2012, 12:53:19 AM
Blazers aren't playing around with the Lakers at all! :lol

Knicks could've had Crawford. :'(
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 06, 2012, 01:01:42 AM
Bynum is kinda ripping it up this season. It looks like he's taken the next step.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 06, 2012, 01:53:13 AM
Quote from: etiolate on January 06, 2012, 12:47:07 AM
NBA should fire Atlanta

fans won't care

Not true!  We, you know, habitually make the playoffs and stuff.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 06, 2012, 02:02:23 AM
unlike the Kings
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 06, 2012, 02:04:25 AM
Bynum is beasting. I think this schedule makes it highly unlikely he'll make it to the playoffs intact though. Seeing Kobe rubbing that wrist makes me wince too. He shouldn't be playing this much, on top of all the other injuries he has accumulated (isn't the finger on his shooting hand basically permanently jammed now?)
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 06, 2012, 02:08:48 AM
Bynum has better numbers than Dwight Howard right now.  :o

I'm not expecting it to stay that way especially with Kobe jacking up shots but still impressive.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 06, 2012, 02:20:10 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 06, 2012, 02:02:23 AM
unlike the Kings

This is true, but soon the people of Sacramento won't have to worry about them anymore!
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 06, 2012, 12:06:53 PM
Quote from: etiolate on January 06, 2012, 12:47:07 AM
NBA should fire Atlanta

fans won't care

Move 'em to Winnipeg.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: T-Short on January 06, 2012, 12:29:45 PM
Quote from: etiolate on January 06, 2012, 12:47:07 AM
NBA should fire Atlanta

fans won't care

Did you watch the MIA-ATL game on league pass? it's hilarious how they cut back from ad breaks earlier on nba.tv sometimes and the commentators are talking when they aren't "on the air" yet. Barkley was like "I hate watching this Atlanta team. They're a terrible team. All they have is a team full of nice guys." :lol
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 06, 2012, 09:29:24 PM
Lordy lord, the quality of play is just abysmal overall compared to last year. I just watched the Celtics score 25 in the half against Indiana. Everyone is just so tired and beat down ALREADY. Nobody can make a shot, and there is no intensity. I'm really struggling to get interested at this stage.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: benjipwns on January 08, 2012, 01:55:17 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZXC1EbRdEk
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 08, 2012, 01:59:00 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfjTlvPZHWY
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Himu on January 08, 2012, 02:03:43 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 06, 2012, 09:29:24 PM
Lordy lord, the quality of play is just abysmal overall compared to last year. I just watched the Celtics score 25 in the half against Indiana. Everyone is just so tired and beat down ALREADY. Nobody can make a shot, and there is no intensity. I'm really struggling to get interested at this stage.

Tell me about it. We should trade teams.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 08, 2012, 09:01:33 AM
Luckily for me I can switch teams at the drop of a hat without conscience, me not being American and all. But basically every team is playing below its potential right now, even the likes of the Bulls, Heat and Thunder. No fucking way should the Mavs be at 0.375% or whatever it is right now. It's hard to take these games seriously. So I'm floating around watching a bunch of different games trying to see all the 'interesting' teams (contenders or significantly changed teams...) but just not seeing anything compelling. Oh well, hopefully the better teams will reach typical 'mid-season' form by the start of the playoffs :lol
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 08, 2012, 11:16:53 AM
I hate the way the NBA fucks over the ipad to try to push their shitty app. So if go to the youtube app and try to play any video from the official nba youtube site you get a pop-up that says: "The author of this video does not allow playback on ipad". Disgusting.

Also the NBA has two apps. One for the iphone and the other for the ipad. The iphone version you can buy a mobile version of the league pass for $40 bucks. It's low quality phone shit but whatever. The ipad app though has no version of the mobile pass. So you have the buy the traditional cable package and then you can also stream to the ipad. So you save no money essentially. I get why they do this but still it makes the ipad app essentially useless for me.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: pilonv1 on January 08, 2012, 07:51:56 PM
It's not that way internationally, I've got the same app on iPhone and iPad

Only thing I don't like with the mobile versions is that I cant find a way to watch a game in progress from the start, and it seems that the completed games don't go into the archive soon enough.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 08, 2012, 08:19:16 PM
Quote from: pilonv1 on January 08, 2012, 07:51:56 PM
It's not that way internationally, I've got the same app on iPhone and iPad

I'm not sure what you mean?
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: pilonv1 on January 08, 2012, 08:20:07 PM
Quote
Also the NBA has two apps. One for the iphone and the other for the ipad. The iphone version you can buy a mobile version of the league pass for $40 bucks.

That isn't the case for me
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 08, 2012, 08:43:42 PM
Quote from: pilonv1 on January 08, 2012, 08:20:07 PM
Quote
Also the NBA has two apps. One for the iphone and the other for the ipad. The iphone version you can buy a mobile version of the league pass for $40 bucks.

That isn't the case for me

Which part I mean
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 09, 2012, 05:14:47 AM
'League Pass' and 'International League Pass' are two different things. I guess they have to be 'cause International has no local blackouts like folks in the US get (well, unless the game in question is broadcast in our countries....which in my case is basically the Finals)
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 09, 2012, 10:10:08 PM
It's a great time to be in LA because every Clippers game is on TV without having to buy the league pass.  The Clips have been by far the most entertaining team this season.  Even diehard Lakers fans have been agreeing with me that the Clips are far more fun to watch.  At first, I thought the Clips have way too many PGs but the nice thing about that is fast breaks are much smoother and there're plenty more lobs and passes that lead to highlight dunks. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 09, 2012, 10:16:17 PM
What's wrong with John Wall?  Even if his shoes don't suck (which they do, horrible traction), I would be embarrassed to wear them.  I expected a monster improvement from Wall but so far he's been taking a Tyreke Evans-like step back. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 09, 2012, 10:17:01 PM
Is it Wall regressing, or just him being surrounded by a horrible roster?
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 09, 2012, 10:18:59 PM
Wizard roster is horrible but with Wall's athleticism and ball handling skills, he should still be able to take it to the rim at will.  I've never seen a right hander dunk so easily with his left.  He gets as high off his right foot as he does with his left, which is pretty insane. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: pilonv1 on January 09, 2012, 10:19:18 PM
Wizards have a lower basketball IQ than any team in history. Just full of dumb players. And Wall needs some serious coaching.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 09, 2012, 10:31:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBDYVVnUggU
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 09, 2012, 10:45:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meYIbAt2iaQ

Song should be changed to "everybody bricks like John Wall" and ran in every Wiz commercial. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 11, 2012, 01:08:29 AM
Miami with a shit 4th quarter letting Golden state back in the game.  :maf

I'll never understand how a team with that much talent can go cold so often in the 4th quarter.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 11, 2012, 01:31:32 AM
Warriors win and Lebron utterly disappears in the 4th quarter and most of overtime. sigh...


I just don't get Lebron sometimes. You look at the stat line and it says he had a great game. All except when it actually mattered. Say what you will about Kobe. (And there is a lot I could as in he shoots too much and is currently shooting too much now even with the Lakers and hurting Bynum) But you just don't get that feeling that Kobe disappears when it matters. Win or Lose Kobe is taking the shots. Lebron just seems to defer or worse disappear too much. I've always defended the dude but Jesus Christ. He just does not display a killer instinct. He's like the Greg Norman of the NBA.

And fucking Spoelstra. How many times does it take to get beat by a hot shooting 3 point team to realize you need to adjust your fucking defense. This team can run up all the wins they want during the regular season. I will never trust them or have confidence in them until they actually show it in the finals.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: benjipwns on January 11, 2012, 01:39:00 AM
The thing that really baffles me is that LeBron didn't used to be this way. 2007-09 LeBron was taking over games late, taking every important shot (or collecting the D to make that pass ala Jordan to Kerr/Paxson), etc.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2012, 01:40:43 AM
Yea I still remember watching him utterly destroy the Pistons in big playoff games/series. Dunno what happened to that guy
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: pilonv1 on January 11, 2012, 06:09:44 AM
fuck off LeBum
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 11, 2012, 07:24:00 AM
Fear of Wade is about all I can come up with. Mystifying.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 11, 2012, 10:41:51 AM
Mavs finally get to 5-5 :rock
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 11, 2012, 10:45:20 AM
Yeah, they still have issues but I never thought they would bomb out or anything. They have way too much offensive talent to not be among the best teams. I just think that defense will be a problem come playoffs.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 11, 2012, 11:33:25 AM
I think Wade is part of the problem.  He should stop trying to take over late, especially in a meaningless regular season game and let Lebron figure things out.  Lebron probably has forgotten what it feels like to make a clutch play since it's been so long that he's been the first option in the last seconds of a tight game. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 11, 2012, 07:19:29 PM
http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=7451463

Also clippers versus heat tonight.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 11, 2012, 07:23:23 PM
It would be interesting to see how the Clippers fare against big wings with their undersized line-up and if Blake's pathetic D will continue to be that bad. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 11, 2012, 08:52:07 PM
Thing is, Bron is by any measure GOOD in 4th quarters. It's only a couple of high profile playoff games that have led to this perception. Plus, there have been playoff and reg season games where he has had reasonable 4Q stats but not made any dramatic clutch plays, which annoys viewers who want to see him be the hero like he was in Cleveland.

In theory, it shouldn't be a big problem to concede those  big shots to Wade, since Wade can usually get a good shot against anybody. That's an option 29 other teams would kill to have, really. It's just hard to reconcile it with the LeBron who went storming through the teeth of the GSW 'defense' (:lol) in the first half....
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 11, 2012, 09:09:51 PM
I thought that Bron was mad at Wade for trying to win Finals MVP.  Maybe Bron was pulling a Kobe like "Go ahead, see what u can do without me."  It might even be subconscious but something about Wade trying to take over must irk Bron enough for him to disappear like that. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 11, 2012, 11:13:02 PM
Good game so far. Just ended the first quarter. 24-21 miami. Couple of nice Lebron and Blake dunks.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 11, 2012, 11:27:20 PM
Mavs finally got above .500, nice. And it was actually against a good team [Boston].
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 12, 2012, 12:37:55 AM
Chris Paul is a beast.

Tight game. Let's see who shows up for the 4th quarter.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 12, 2012, 01:25:42 AM
Jesus Lebron how many free throws are you gonna miss here tonight.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 12, 2012, 01:28:57 AM
You gotta be fucking me.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 12, 2012, 01:29:28 AM
Lebron missing FTs?  shocker.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 12, 2012, 01:30:11 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 12, 2012, 01:29:28 AM
Lebron missing FTs?  shocker.

He's missed an absurd amount tonight. It's like Shaq out there tonight or something.

Game going in OT. Lebron didn't disappear in the 4th but missed a lot of free throws and made a few bonehead plays.

Very good game. Not a pretty game at all but a very intense one.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 12, 2012, 01:31:46 AM
*checks which quarter of the game it is*

Ah, it all makes sense now!
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 12, 2012, 01:33:32 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on January 12, 2012, 01:31:46 AM
*checks which quarter of the game it is*

Ah, it all makes sense now!

To be fair Chris Paul was having an amazing game going into the 4th quarter but he had an awful last quarter. Blake also has had a bad second half.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 12, 2012, 01:37:11 AM
What a shock. Miami can't score again. 10 minutes without a FG. Lebron's new post game=Shit.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 12, 2012, 01:43:07 AM
I think that was goaltending and the refs blew it but whatever. The Heat shouldn't even be in this position.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 12, 2012, 01:48:21 AM
And Clippers win.

Lebron 1-6 in the 4th and OT.
Wade 1-4 in the 4th and OT.


Miami

1 FG in the last 12 and half minutes.


FUCK THIS TEAM! No heart. And fire Spoelstra.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lob City)
Post by: etiolate on January 12, 2012, 02:34:04 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 12, 2012, 01:43:07 AM
I think that was goaltending and the refs blew it but whatever. The Heat shouldn't even be in this position.

yeah it was goaltending

I've never been a fan of the late game isos for victory. Even Kobe gets set up in specific spots where he has a go to move to score or gets a pass off of movement for an immediate look. I'm not a fan of giving it to your star and thinking they will just superstar their way to a shot. It's too much work. Even Paul's great move at the end of the 4th used so much energy that he came up short.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 12, 2012, 02:46:35 AM
The problem with the heat is the same problem they had all year last year. I think I got fooled by their early fast start and my wishful thinking. And having a lock-out probably hurt them even more than some other teams in that they didn't even have a real pre-season and training camp to work on those issues.

They are a great athletic swarming team. If they create turnovers and get fastbreaks then they look great. If the game slows down and the other team executes their offense down the stretch and cuts down on the turnovers and plays physical defense especially with Lebron it makes the Heat appear very average. The offense in half-court and outside of fast breaks still looks like its plodding and barely resembles an offense compared to other team. The supporting cast is better this year. But the same fundamental problems still exist. Just like last year I'm guessing they will look exceptional against the lesser teams and very average against the good teams. And it will all come down to whether over the course of a season they actually can implement a real half court offense.

My cynical view with Sploestra in charge is that they won't and their talent will hide the weakness but come playoff time some team will expose them whether its in the eastern conference or the finals again. This is not a team that inspires confidence. My view is now that Lebron while an amazing talent is fundamentally flawed in some ways. Kind of reminds me of Chris Webber in a way where you look at him and say he should be dominating and crushing people but he doesn't. And Wade while great doesn't really fit into a team oriented half court offense. He's more comfortable just taking over and being the man rather than being a Pippen to a Jordan. He fundamentally needs to be the Jordan. I hope I'm wrong of course.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: pilonv1 on January 12, 2012, 03:29:19 AM
They just cant score in the half court in a close game. Their only play is an iso for Wade or LeBron. That's part coaching and part talent, since neither of them are good shooters.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 12, 2012, 03:34:05 AM
The Heat will continue to have problems implementing a half-court offense because their two best players aren't great off-the-ball scorers. Neither is going to score much off screens, spot ups, post-ups, or pick and rolls (as the roll man), all of which are plays necessary for a decent half-court offense.

edit: basically beaten.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: Mandark on January 12, 2012, 03:35:05 AM
Man, if a Wizards defeat prompted the sort of over-analysis that follow Heat losses, this thread would be fuckin' huge.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: etiolate on January 12, 2012, 03:45:41 AM
Wade is actually more than decent off the ball. Lebron is so/so, but Wade can cut off the ball for buckets.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: pilonv1 on January 12, 2012, 04:27:12 AM
Quote from: etiolate on January 12, 2012, 03:45:41 AM
Wade is actually more than decent off the ball. Lebron is so/so, but Wade can cut off the ball for buckets.

But they dont when the game is on the line, because either their coach is a moron who should have them moving off ball to create confusion, or only one of them can be the man at the end of games.

I would think that a LeBron/Wade pick and roll/pop/fade would be nigh unguardable against some teams. It's much better than a stupid forced jumper.

Also someone invite Duki here, he's on a one month sentence.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 12, 2012, 05:34:01 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 11, 2012, 11:27:20 PM
Mavs finally got above .500, nice. And it was actually against a good team [Boston].

Boston are TERRIBLE this year. I can't stand to watch anymore. Hollinger has them at #21 in his Power Rankings I think, and that's about right. They haven't beaten anybody good yet.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 12, 2012, 05:41:08 AM
The Heat have flaws, to be sure, but I'm really not sure who is going to expose them in the playoffs. The Bulls are likely to be the best-coached contender, and they do look pretty damn good. The big problem there is we've all seen what happens when LeBron guards Rose, and without Rose being amazing, the Bulls are a .500 team at best.  After that, it's who? OKC? I love 'em but not sure they can get out of the West never mind beat the Heat...

Stoney makes sensible points, and his concerns have certainly proven to be justified in the past, but let's not get too crazy about this loss. They played OT against a young run-and-gun team last night! In a normal season, this one would have been pencilled in the books by the coaches as a loss before they got on the plane. Both GSW and the Clippers can score fast enough to make any team look bad on the wrong night.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 12, 2012, 05:48:42 AM
btw - CP3 is still not in great shape, which is weird given his supposed work ethic. I wonder if he had more surgery in the offseason. Dude is doughy and obviously got tired tonight. Of course Del Negro can't figure out how to manage his minutes even with Mo Williams collecting dust on the bench....
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: pilonv1 on January 12, 2012, 07:44:04 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 12, 2012, 05:41:08 AM
Both GSW and the Clippers can score fast enough to make any team look bad on the wrong night.

Have you watched many Warriors games this year? They're not that team anymore. Only broke 100 once - OT v the Heat.

Warriors slowed them down with some zone in the second half - the same thing the Mavericks did. It's not offense that beats them, you pressure them and they beat themselves.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 12, 2012, 08:32:07 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 12, 2012, 05:48:42 AM
btw - CP3 is still not in great shape, which is weird given his supposed work ethic. I wonder if he had more surgery in the offseason. Dude is doughy and obviously got tired tonight. Of course Del Negro can't figure out how to manage his minutes even with Mo Williams collecting dust on the bench....

I dunno.  CP3 has been in that kinda shape since the bad knee.  I think that's just his body type now because he doesn't go as fast all game. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 13, 2012, 01:56:14 AM
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/45982490/ns/sports-nba/

lol at the warriors and their strategy.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 13, 2012, 02:04:52 AM
momma there goes that man - back to the announcer booth
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: pilonv1 on January 13, 2012, 04:33:00 AM
If I was the owner I'd fire his ass.

Fans got a raw deal and it shows no confidence in the players. I don't care how close they were to winning.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: etiolate on January 13, 2012, 04:39:47 AM
Keith Smart just had Cousins shut Howard down.   8)
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: pilonv1 on January 13, 2012, 04:47:43 AM
I understand Kwame was out. I understand that Tyler sucks and barely knows where he is on court. But to go 45 minutes before doubling Howard and making the other guys beat you was terrible coaching. Udoh is useless.

Meanwhile Monroe had 32 and 16 today.

fml
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: etiolate on January 13, 2012, 04:58:05 AM
Well you guys aren't allowed to fire him. The Warriors are doing the honorable thing by keeping him out of the broadcast booth.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: benjipwns on January 14, 2012, 01:23:21 AM
(http://gif.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/LEBRON-TONGUE.gif)
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 14, 2012, 08:59:56 AM
Meanwhile, Kobe continues to be the Anti-LeBron
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 14, 2012, 09:15:59 AM
That's what Delonte West did to his mom.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 14, 2012, 09:50:32 AM
Kobe > LeBron

 :-\

Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 14, 2012, 09:58:26 AM
In nine games (at over 20 minutes per game), Kwame Brown has ZERO blocks. But that's not as surprising as the fact that he's still in the NBA.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 14, 2012, 03:41:49 PM
People overreact to everything that happens with the Heat.

Quote from: Flannel Boy on January 14, 2012, 09:58:26 AM
In nine games (at over 20 minutes per game), Kwame Brown has ZERO blocks. But that's not as surprising as the fact that he's still in the NBA.
obligatory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTgtAPDyZlE
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 14, 2012, 05:02:06 PM
Kobe's scoring is impressive but they aren't going anywhere in the playoffs with that style imo. And like I said before I think all that shooting stunts Bynum's development.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 14, 2012, 09:49:25 PM
Great argument in favor of abolishing free throws:

http://hoopspeak.com/2012/01/ban-the-free-throw/

On league pass, I immediately start clicking the forward button when I hear the whistle for FTs unless it's in like the last 2 mins of a close game.
(the article also reminded me of how Webber basically elevated his scoring from 23-25/game to MVP-candidate level solely by increasing the number of FTs he hit per game....but that's cited as a rare example of FTs providing something unexpected....)
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 14, 2012, 09:50:16 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 14, 2012, 05:02:06 PM
Kobe's scoring is impressive but they aren't going anywhere in the playoffs with that style imo. And like I said before I think all that shooting stunts Bynum's development.

Not to mention Pau, forgotten All Star. That poor guy passes it constantly and rarely gets it back. It's a travesty.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 14, 2012, 10:13:56 PM
Mavs just stream-rolling the Kings, almost hard to watch actually.

Haha, not really. I love it.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 14, 2012, 11:38:25 PM
Clippers Lakers. Pretty close game right now.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 15, 2012, 12:57:27 AM
lol. Announcers dogging Lakers and making my exact same point. The Lakers are barely even using Gasol and Bynum in this quarter. It's the Kobe Show. And that shit doesn't work as well against good teams.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 15, 2012, 01:04:58 AM
Kobe getting an utterly meaningless 40 pt game again. And no one has the balls in that organization to say he should stop shooting so much and involve other people. With no Phil Kobe is the defacto coach.



edit: Typical dumb Lakers fan.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=34285129&postcount=4450
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 15, 2012, 07:38:57 AM
Statistically Kobe had an alright game. The problem is guys resent it when they aren't part of the regular offense and worse they lose confidence. They lose that ability to actually execute when it counts. Not to mention both of those players on average shoot a higher FG percentage on average simply due to their size and closeness to the basket. Why not work on those team issues now early in the season in relatively meaningless games instead of Kobe going for 40 every night. Yeah you might lose a couple but it builds toward something that will actually be effective come the playoffs.

I just didn't like in that 4th quarter how the bigs felt completely under utilized. CP3 was shooting a lot in that last quarter too but still also trying to get his other players involved. When the commentators mentioned the same thing on the bigs it spurred me to make that post last night. (To be fair they were the clippers announcers but still)
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 16, 2012, 07:33:49 PM
Will all the excitement over Rubio finally coming over I think people are missing out on the fact that Kyrie Irving is quietly having a really good rookie season and the Cavs are 6-6.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 16, 2012, 11:04:06 PM
Celtics are really in trouble this year. They will get better and make the playoffs. But its hard to see them being anything better than a 8th or 7th seed.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 17, 2012, 01:09:24 AM
Typical Carter. Missing a shot and immediately afterward holding his ankle.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 17, 2012, 03:05:11 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QplAHRQ53k
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 17, 2012, 03:07:33 AM
Jesus, is that score right?  Was this a COLLEGE game?
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: benjipwns on January 17, 2012, 03:10:28 AM
Kobe didn't go for 40. Only 14. He really needed to shoot more.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 17, 2012, 08:10:48 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on January 17, 2012, 03:07:33 AM
Jesus, is that score right?  Was this a COLLEGE game?
I wish--college games are shorter.

The Mavs shot 35% (31.7% if you exclude Dirk's numbers). The Lakers shot 38.2% (33% if you exclude Bynum's stats).


Quote
Vince Carter sprained his left foot while maneuvering to get off a last-second 3-pointer Monday night in the Dallas Mavericks' 73-70 loss to the Los Angeles Lakers.

X-rays taken at the Staples Center were negative, but Carter emerged from the training room on crutches. He said he heard a "pop"

Pretty sure that was a loud collective groan.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: benjipwns on January 17, 2012, 08:46:15 AM
Did Carter ever get injured significantly in college? I don't remember anything.

What if he's one of those guys who when he faced that first big injury that needed real recovery and not just some rest he became, hypochondriac, style paranoid about any slight tweak or injury?

It'd explain why he went from 40 minutes a game, dominating, driving and dunking all over putting up nearly 30 points a game to jacking 20 footers for 35 ish minutes and less even after he fully recovered. Plus all his instantly bailing out and planking efforts.

Or maybe he just gave up and is trying to cover up that. His stats go all wonky after that first major injury though. At an odd age to just stop trying.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 17, 2012, 02:54:13 PM
I don't remember Carter getting injured in college. And that NC team played a lot of games
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 17, 2012, 10:31:53 PM
So weird how Lebron often plays better without Wade. He had a great game tonight and they came back from a deficit to get a blowout.

Mike Miller also came back and had a good game.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: Mandark on January 17, 2012, 10:44:45 PM
Carter was never one to relish contact.  I bet if you looked at his stats you'd probably see a relatively low FTA/FGA ratio for an elite scorer, especially one known for finishing at the basket.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 17, 2012, 11:36:51 PM
Carter hasn't had too many bad injuries (he's played under 70 games in a season just twice excluding lockout years). He just has a low pain threshold.

Quote from: Mandark on January 17, 2012, 10:44:45 PM
Carter was never one to relish contact.  I bet if you looked at his stats you'd probably see a relatively low FTA/FGA ratio for an elite scorer, especially one known for finishing at the basket.

Yeah, has always used his agility (which was nearly as good as his leaping ability) to avoid contact (especially in his last few years in Toronto) rather than initiate it like other elite SG/SFs.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 18, 2012, 01:23:12 AM
Like a Bosh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CriDfnXmWFU
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Heat Entire Team=Like A Bosh)
Post by: DJ_Tet on January 18, 2012, 01:36:46 AM
Carter wasn't injured at UNC that I can remember, at least not physically.

He came in as the top recruit in the country but was very disappointing as a freshman and only somewhat less so as a soph.  Antawn Jamison was part of the same class but not nearly as highly regarded, but he pretty much kicked ass from day 1.

It took until their junior year that Vince actually caught up to Tawn, and after that they both went pro.  Actually Carter sort of figured it out halfway through his soph season and helped them to the Final Four.

Point is, he's always had issues 'being the man.'  Even when he was 'the man' in Toronto you still saw it when his cousin started rising up and challenging him.

Dude has the best dunk contest of all time though, as well as the most impressive game-dunk I've ever seen (against Weiss and France in the Olympics.)  As a Duke fan I gotta give him props for that.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Beezy on January 19, 2012, 01:25:35 AM
:bow Clippers :bow2
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 19, 2012, 03:02:00 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoqqwL784nM
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 19, 2012, 03:07:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaTvo0CgKJk
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Fifstar on January 19, 2012, 06:26:54 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 19, 2012, 03:02:00 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoqqwL784nM

That's the third last seconds lose for Dallas this season.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 19, 2012, 03:13:04 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ArqmNeFf.m.sLCaz75VdfJa8vLYF?slug=mc-spears_nba_injuries_011812

Player    Injury
Paul Pierce   bruised heel
Al Horford    torn pectoral muscle
Corey Maggette    strained hamstring
Derrick Rose    turf toe
Jason Kidd    lower back strain
Nene   heel strain
Charlie Villanueva   sore ankle
Stephen Curry    sprained ankle
Kwame Brown    torn pectoral muscle
Courtney Lee    strained calf
Chris Paul    strained hamstring
Chauncey Billups    strained groin
Mo Williams   sore foot
Steve Blake    fractured rib cartilage
Josh McRoberts   sprained toe
Zach Randolph    torn knee ligament
Dwyane Wade   sprained, strained calf, sore foot
Mike Miller   hernia
Mike Dunleavy   strained groin
Michael Beasley    sprained foot
Brook Lopez    broken foot
Eric Gordon   bruised knee
Trevor Ariza   strained groin
Carmelo Anthony   sprained ankle
Amar’e Stoudemire   sprained ankle
Iman Shumpert    sprained knee
Eric Maynor   torn knee ligament
Jason Richardson   bruised knee
Marc Thornton   thigh contusion
Manu Ginobili   broken hand
TJ Ford   torn hamstring
Andrea Bargnani   strained calf
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 19, 2012, 03:14:59 PM
Vince Carter  :'(
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on January 19, 2012, 04:05:31 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on January 19, 2012, 03:13:04 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ArqmNeFf.m.sLCaz75VdfJa8vLYF?slug=mc-spears_nba_injuries_011812

Player    Injury
Paul Pierce   bruised heel
Al Horford    torn pectoral muscle
Corey Maggette    strained hamstring
Derrick Rose    turf toe
Jason Kidd    lower back strain
Nene   heel strain
Charlie Villanueva   sore ankle
Stephen Curry    sprained ankle
Kwame Brown    torn pectoral muscle
Courtney Lee    strained calf
Chris Paul    strained hamstring
Chauncey Billups    strained groin
Mo Williams   sore foot
Steve Blake    fractured rib cartilage
Josh McRoberts   sprained toe
Zach Randolph    torn knee ligament
Dwyane Wade   sprained, strained calf, sore foot
Mike Miller   hernia
Mike Dunleavy   strained groin
Michael Beasley    sprained foot
Brook Lopez    broken foot
Eric Gordon   bruised knee
Trevor Ariza   strained groin
Carmelo Anthony   sprained ankle
Amar’e Stoudemire   sprained ankle
Iman Shumpert    sprained knee
Eric Maynor   torn knee ligament
Jason Richardson   bruised knee
Marc Thornton   thigh contusion
Manu Ginobili   broken hand
TJ Ford   torn hamstring
Andrea Bargnani   strained calf

New NBA schedule is complete shit, for the players and especially for the fans.

Bobcats just finished playing 7 games in 9 days.  4 home games in 7 days.

They have 4 home games the whole of February.  Thanks NBA, way to look out for your customers, fucks.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2012, 09:21:31 PM
We saw this in the NFL after the lockout. There were quite a few injuries early in the season, Arian Foster and Jaamal Charles perhaps being the biggest. And many of those injuries lingered through the season. I must say I'm a bit surprised players agreed to come back so soon just to help the league get Christmas ratings
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 19, 2012, 09:26:04 PM
the sooner the season starts, the sooner everyone gets paid.  simple as that.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 19, 2012, 09:33:56 PM
Kobe 1 of 8 from the Field in the fist half against the Heat.  :teehee

And Wade isn't even playing.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2012, 09:55:05 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=34412908&postcount=8781
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 19, 2012, 10:09:24 PM
the first rule of nba-gaf is: you NEVER enter nba-gaf

worst fucking sports fanbase community I've ever encountered online
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 19, 2012, 10:24:27 PM
I thinks it mostly the Lakers fans in that thread. They are truly awful.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 19, 2012, 10:29:23 PM
it's like if you're a lebron fan, you're satan
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 19, 2012, 10:39:30 PM
Yes. Lebron is Satan. Not the "alleged" rapist and dude who throws everybody under the bus. Kobe is a great player and one of the all time greats but he's also been a complete asshole his whole career.

Not that it necessarily bothers me because his job is to score and win and not be a role model. But I'm also not a fan of the hypocrisy.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 19, 2012, 10:41:13 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2012, 09:21:31 PM
We saw this in the NFL after the lockout. There were quite a few injuries early in the season, Arian Foster and Jaamal Charles perhaps being the biggest. And many of those injuries lingered through the season. I must say I'm a bit surprised players agreed to come back so soon just to help the league get Christmas ratings

No, this is way worse than the NFL.  The NFL basically just lost training camps and OTAs.  This would be like if the NFL tried to play 13 games in 9 weeks or something.  It's fucking distinguished mentally-challenged and is making the season unwatchable.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on January 19, 2012, 10:56:01 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 19, 2012, 10:09:24 PM
the first rule of nba-gaf is: you NEVER enter nba-gaf

worst fucking sports fanbase community I've ever encountered online

I would enter the thread but it's a bunch of asshats I ended up putting on ignore.  Asshats being Laker-GAF of course.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on January 19, 2012, 10:57:53 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on January 19, 2012, 10:41:13 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2012, 09:21:31 PM
We saw this in the NFL after the lockout. There were quite a few injuries early in the season, Arian Foster and Jaamal Charles perhaps being the biggest. And many of those injuries lingered through the season. I must say I'm a bit surprised players agreed to come back so soon just to help the league get Christmas ratings

No, this is way worse than the NFL.  The NFL basically just lost training camps and OTAs.  This would be like if the NFL tried to play 13 games in 9 weeks or something.  It's fucking distinguished mentally-challenged and is making the season unwatchable.

Agreed.  The NFL still had a full preseason schedule.  The NBA played 2 preseason games and a handful of practices before deciding to go full bore.  And like I said, the Bobcats just finished a stretch of 7 games in 9 days.  That's fucking excessive.  For the players and the fans alike.

Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2012, 11:03:51 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on January 19, 2012, 10:41:13 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2012, 09:21:31 PM
We saw this in the NFL after the lockout. There were quite a few injuries early in the season, Arian Foster and Jaamal Charles perhaps being the biggest. And many of those injuries lingered through the season. I must say I'm a bit surprised players agreed to come back so soon just to help the league get Christmas ratings

No, this is way worse than the NFL.  The NFL basically just lost training camps and OTAs.  This would be like if the NFL tried to play 13 games in 9 weeks or something.  It's fucking distinguished mentally-challenged and is making the season unwatchable.

I'm saying we saw out of shape players getting injured, which is the comparison here. Not commentating on the short season
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: pilonv1 on January 20, 2012, 06:17:32 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 19, 2012, 10:09:24 PM
the first rule of nba-gaf is: you NEVER enter nba-gaf

worst fucking sports fanbase community I've ever encountered online

It's only the Lakers fans who are intolerable. Everyone else is super cool.

Anyway the Lakers are done.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2012, 07:34:28 PM
God I hope the Lakers don't get Howard.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 20, 2012, 07:48:26 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-on-5-120120/nba-dwight-howard-come-los-angeles-lakers-rescue

I like how the two LA guys are the only two that think Bynum for Howard is a good trade for the Magic and that Bynum can be a #1 guy on a title team. :lol
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: etiolate on January 20, 2012, 07:52:13 PM
Bynum couldn't even be a role player on a title contender. Broke ass body and gets routinely busted by other centers.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 20, 2012, 08:48:28 PM
Watching Artest play at this point is like watching a zombie on the court.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 20, 2012, 08:57:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-Kp2mjURPo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49Atrg-CmRs
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2012, 09:04:40 PM
Shaq making the point I've been saying for years. Cut me a check, big man

btw how is Shaq doing on TNT?
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Mandark on January 20, 2012, 10:45:01 PM
Quote from: etiolate on January 20, 2012, 07:52:13 PM
Bynum couldn't even be a role player on a title contender.

He already was a role player on two title winners?
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 21, 2012, 01:09:38 AM
Good game between Clips and Wolves.

Darko is having a good game.  :teehee
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 21, 2012, 01:18:36 AM
lol.

Rubio was 0-10 and just hit a three pointer to tie the game with about 20 seconds left.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 21, 2012, 01:24:34 AM
lol. You missed a good one if you weren't watching.

Love with a 3 pointer for the winner with 1.5 seconds left. Great game.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: etiolate on January 21, 2012, 02:01:17 AM
yeah that was awesome
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 21, 2012, 02:34:22 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbDxKQCYbmI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho8W9jFuj6c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoLS0t6wzcs
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 21, 2012, 02:57:09 AM
Rookie Ribbio just resurrected Darko's career, wouldn't have believed it if i hadn't seen it

Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 21, 2012, 11:15:49 PM
The Knicks and the Celtics have a worse win percentage than the Cavs
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: pilonv1 on January 22, 2012, 05:04:27 AM
Knicks are straight up broken. Need to blow that shit up ASAP.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Mandark on January 22, 2012, 05:57:11 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 21, 2012, 01:18:36 AM
lol.

Rubio was 0-10 and just hit a three pointer to tie the game with about 20 seconds left.

The Iberian Tebow!
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 22, 2012, 12:50:51 PM
Odom already influencing Dirk.

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Dallas Mavericks forward Dirk Nowitzki will sit out the next four games to engage in a week of behind-the-scenes conditioning work to strengthen his sore right knee starting with Saturday's visit to the New Orleans Hornets, coach Rick Carlisle announced.

More on the Mavericks

News, notes and analysis of the Mavericks from ESPNDallas.com's Jeff Caplan, Tim MacMahon and our team. Blog Carlisle said Nowitzki needs "an uninterrupted eight days of work to resolve some physical issues and conditioning issues." He emphasized that the break is designed to help Nowitzki, who is expected to return Jan. 29 against San Antonio, get into better game shape.

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Nowitzki, historically one of the most regimented workers in the league, has not shied away from the fact that he is not in typical game condition. On Wednesday, he said a combination of last season's run to the championship, followed by playing for Germany in the Olympic qualifying tournament in late summer and then a long layoff are at the root of his knee problem.

Where's Kobe's German doctor? Help a brother out.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 22, 2012, 05:58:18 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/JM60q.jpg omg)
 :lol
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Fifstar on January 22, 2012, 06:16:38 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on January 22, 2012, 12:50:51 PM
Odom already influencing Dirk.

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Dallas Mavericks forward Dirk Nowitzki will sit out the next four games to engage in a week of behind-the-scenes conditioning work to strengthen his sore right knee starting with Saturday's visit to the New Orleans Hornets, coach Rick Carlisle announced.

More on the Mavericks

News, notes and analysis of the Mavericks from ESPNDallas.com's Jeff Caplan, Tim MacMahon and our team. Blog Carlisle said Nowitzki needs "an uninterrupted eight days of work to resolve some physical issues and conditioning issues." He emphasized that the break is designed to help Nowitzki, who is expected to return Jan. 29 against San Antonio, get into better game shape.

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Nowitzki, historically one of the most regimented workers in the league, has not shied away from the fact that he is not in typical game condition. On Wednesday, he said a combination of last season's run to the championship, followed by playing for Germany in the Olympic qualifying tournament in late summer and then a long layoff are at the root of his knee problem.

Where's Kobe's German doctor? Help a brother out.

Interesting, I noticed his minutes per game were kinda low (around the 30 minutes mark), this kinda explains it.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 22, 2012, 07:22:22 PM
Dirk flat-out admitted he partied for a loooong time after the championship so not really surprising.

Watched 76'ers - Heat yesterday hoping to see if Philly was for real but it was a blow-out, disappointingly. Evan Turner did that 'skinny rookie turns into the Hulk' thing in the off-season though! He seems to be living up to his promise, at least. Very aggressive around the basket too, probably helped by the extra bulk.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 22, 2012, 10:21:59 PM
Quote from: pilonv1 on January 22, 2012, 05:04:27 AM
Knicks are straight up broken. Need to blow that shit up ASAP.

I thought they should have desperately tried to get CP3 and get rid of Amare. I like Amare as a person but you can't have that many players on a team not playing defense. Especially when its all your stars.

And for some bizarre reason Amare is shooting 41%. I've only seen like 1 or 2 knicks games this year so I don't know what the problem is but this dude is a career 53%. No way he should be that low.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 22, 2012, 10:24:35 PM
The problem with Amare is simple - he needs a good PG. With a great PG like Nash, he's unstoppable in the PnR. With Toney fucking Douglas, he's quite mediocre. He needs to get the ball in the right places, like almost all good men.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: pilonv1 on January 22, 2012, 11:45:41 PM
Bigger problem is that Melo is a giant black hole under D'Antoni. New coach and a real PG and they'd be a lot better off.

Amare is invisible because he's not getting the ball, which is why a good PG is so vital. He went 22 minutes (all of 4th Q and 2 OTs) without taking a shot v the Nuggets
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 23, 2012, 12:49:03 PM
I watched that Lakers Pacers game last night. The Pacers are a scrappy squad.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 23, 2012, 11:24:51 PM
If they can trade some of that depth for a star (Danny Granger hasn't looked like one in a while...), they can be pretty damn good.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 24, 2012, 12:15:41 AM
 :nsfw

Vince Carter rehabing

http://thehoopdoctors.com/online2/2012/01/vince-carter-rehabs-at-the-strippers-pics/


Also

 :lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjxSmM30W8A
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Beezy on January 24, 2012, 01:26:43 AM
 :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: pilonv1 on January 24, 2012, 05:35:06 AM
:fbm :fbm :fbm :fbm :fbm :fbm :fbm :fbm :fbm
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 24, 2012, 05:46:55 AM
Carter did similar shit in Toronto as well - he was caught dancing on stage at some rap concert while missing games, didn't he?
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 24, 2012, 11:26:21 AM
edit:

Dancing on stage during a Nelly concert as the Raptors were actually playing a game.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 24, 2012, 02:21:18 PM
I really like how the Bulls are playing. And Rip Hamilton has been a great pickup for them.

Scoring 14 a game and shooting over 50%.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 25, 2012, 08:56:18 PM
Yeah, Bulls are very very solid. Hamilton is a huge offensive upgrade, Boozer seems sprightlier. They're still weighted too heavily towards defense IMHO but that's a quality problem.

Re: the Amare discussion: Hollinger says he seems to have lost his first step, which is limiting his effectiveness in isos. I haven't really seen that (perhaps those plays are just not being called for him as much) but if so, it really slams NY's window shut. He'll be tough to trade with those uninsurable knees. D'Antoni deserves some blame there, for running him into the ground pre-Melo.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 25, 2012, 09:14:38 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 24, 2012, 02:21:18 PM
I really like how the Bulls are playing.

Chicago and OKC have both been playing great this season, not surprising that they were the two youngest contenders from last season.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 25, 2012, 09:17:00 PM
Lakers Clippers tonight. CP3 may play.

Lakers are 10-8 and 8 of their next 9 games are on the road where they are 1-6.

Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 25, 2012, 09:48:53 PM
Clips better win tonight.  I've invited my Kobe jocking friends over to watch the game.  I'm gonna be the only Laker hater here.  It'd be sweet to see their tears but I don't have a good feeling about the Cilps' chances tonight.  Lakers will be a lot more desperate and it's their "home court" tonight.   
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 25, 2012, 10:26:58 PM
The Knicks are god damn awful. Carmelo Anthony is shooting 40%. (.396 to be exact)

Denver on the other hand is Denver 12-5.   
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 25, 2012, 10:58:50 PM
Lakers bigs starting to get annoyed.

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7499122/los-angeles-lakers-pau-gasol-wants-more-interior-touches
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 25, 2012, 11:18:47 PM
Because of what Gasol said in that article they are purposely going to Gasol tonight.  :lol
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 26, 2012, 01:05:20 AM
Good intense game but it looks like the Lakers will take it. They played tough defense down the stretch.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 26, 2012, 02:38:41 AM
Worst basketball party ever.  Fuck those Lakers homers.  They were whining about every call and complaining about the Clips playing dirty.  I'm gonna take it out on them next time we play. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 26, 2012, 07:33:50 AM
Just watched Lakers - Clippers, and got thinking about young Vince Carter and current Blake Griffin. Probably thanks to that crazy spinning lay-up Blake had, which is the sort of play Vince used to make in his first couple of seasons. Like Blake now, VC used to rely a lot on athleticism and mid-air creativity to score. They both could do a pretty good imitation of all kinds of moves, but neither had/have any kind of go-to move at that point. And neither of them could or would play any kind of consistent D.

Needless to say, as a Blake fan, this was a very troubling line of thought, especially when you add in the fact that he is terrible from the line (and that's something which tends NOT to improve over time...).

Basically, although Blake does a ton of things amazingly well, I'm not seeing much that he does better than he did last year, and I think it's only a matter of time before this starts to get exposed. Teams really should be fouling him harder and more often. He doesn't have either the free throw shooting or the go-to move to counteract it. Also, he's just not all that long for a PF - he's listed at 6'10'' but looks 2 or 3 inches shorter than that to me.

This is not doomsaying or anything like it - I think he's easily 2nd team NBA. I'm just getting over that period of omg excitement and starting to see where his ceiling probably is.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 26, 2012, 09:45:49 AM
I think the future is still pretty open for him. He just needs to keep working on his post game and consistently being able to knock down the mid range J.

As far as freethrows, he's never going to be amazing there but he should strive to at least hit Chris Webber level who also came into the league as a shit free throw shooter but was generally in the 70% range during his Sacramento years.

Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: pilonv1 on January 26, 2012, 06:30:24 PM
Blake looks shorter because he has short arms.

Also nice to see BSPN talking about Love to LA the day after he signs an extension. Gutter trash journalism.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 26, 2012, 07:19:09 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 26, 2012, 09:45:49 AM
I think the future is still pretty open for him. He just needs to keep working on his post game and consistently being able to knock down the mid range J.

As far as freethrows, he's never going to be amazing there but he should strive to at least hit Chris Webber level who also came into the league as a shit free throw shooter but was generally in the 70% range during his Sacramento years.


What you have to keep in mind there is that Chris Webber and Karl Malone were like the ONLY notable players to ever significantly boost their FT% from the kind of number Blake is currently at. The vast majority work with FT coaches for years and never make much of an improvement.

I think as spectators and fans we often fall into this trap of wanting to believe that players we like will be able to paper over their weaknesses over time. It's definitely true for some players, with certain of their weaknesses. But they almost never turn into the sort of high level D&D character we envision. Amare is an example: for years, people have been saying that if only he could work on his D, he'd be 1st team All NBA etc. But he never has. He's not even slightly better. He just hates to foul, always has. If he gets 2 fouls, he'll basically stop any pretense at D. (On the other hand, his mid-range jumper has improved a hell of a lot...)

I'm definitely pulling for Blake to continue to improve, but just trying to be realistic. He may never impact the overall game the way Dwight Howard or Tim Duncan do/did.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 26, 2012, 07:30:09 PM
Quote from: pilonv1 on January 26, 2012, 06:30:24 PM
Blake looks shorter because he has short arms.

Also nice to see BSPN talking about Love to LA the day after he signs an extension. Gutter trash journalism.

A 4 year (not 5) extension with an opt-out after 3 years. Keep in mind that no-one has ever EVER turned down that rookie contract extension Love signed. Working in an early opt-out is a pretty clear signal that he wants out IMHO. Not sure what was going on there but it's bad business. Even if they want to trade him, a longer contract will be preferable to any suitors.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Mandark on January 27, 2012, 02:23:39 AM
Don't forget Tyson Chandler.  Also Brendan Haywood got a personal coach and jumped 20% before he was injured for a year/traded to Dallas/got a fat new contract.  So it's not unheard of, even if it's unlikely.

On Amare: I've only seen a couple NY games, but I wouldn't be surprised if he is slowed down.  Towards the end of his Suns career, when he was fully recovered, he was able to create really good shots for himself in isos, and was a beast carrying the team when Nash was on the bench or gassed.  That's in contrast to his first couple years back from injury, when he was definitely relying on Nash to set him up.  If he's fully healthy and at his peak, he should be putting up good numbers regardless of the PG.  Could be bad news for the Knicks.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 27, 2012, 02:39:56 AM
How could I have forgotten Brendan Haywood! Slap me on the ass and call me a bad little boy Mandark, you filthy beast.

20% sounds like a big improvement but for someone shooting around 50%, they really need more like a FIFTY % improvement to get to the point where hack-a-xxx is no longer viable.

Agreed on Amare being bad news...with his knees and the minutes he has played, I think it's much more likely that this is the new normal for him rather than being solely a PG problem. He should still be shooting over 50% from the field though, any decent starter-quality NBA PG should be able to serve that up no sweat.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 27, 2012, 08:32:43 AM
I think he meant 20 percentage points. His FT% went up 18.7 PP (.548 in '07 to .735 in '08) and up 34%.

But his FT% is odd. For six seasons it's around 55-60%, jumps to .735, and then falls all the way down .362.

Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Mandark on January 27, 2012, 01:34:04 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on January 27, 2012, 08:32:43 AM
I think he meant 20 percentage points.

Yep.  Jumping from ~50% to ~70% is enough to punish hacking schemes and make a significant boost in scoring if you're likely to draw a bunch of fouls like Griffin.

As for Haywood, in the summer before his FT% jumped there were stories about him spending the offseason with Dave Hopla working on his form.  I had a Wizards ticket package back then and during shootarounds free throws were the only shots he'd take.

He was injured the next year, and traded to the Mavericks the year after that, where he regressed to his career norm.  Then his second year in Dallas his percentage cratered.  Since sports fandom is half backseat psychology, I'll say that Haywood, who has been given as many motivational benchings as anyone in the league, started being truly awful at the line after the Mavs gave him that huge extension.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 27, 2012, 08:12:42 PM
Heat versus Knicks tonight. Wade is back.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 27, 2012, 09:53:29 PM
Quote from: Mandark on January 27, 2012, 01:34:04 PM
Since sports fandom is half backseat psychology, I'll say that Haywood, who has been given as many motivational benchings as anyone in the league, started being truly awful at the line after the Mavs gave him that huge extension.

Why did the Magic match the Mavs' offer sheet for Marcin Gortat. :/
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 27, 2012, 10:32:44 PM
There have been some amazing Miami Alley-oops in this game.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 27, 2012, 10:56:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEsQm3cxw2A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONOK9MVULAk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEzf1CvY3Pk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKIDZHhwb3g


Also pretty funny. This was KG after the Celtics big comeback last night. He was pumped. BAR FIGHT!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JHV5pZQpoc
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 28, 2012, 02:43:19 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qojf66GWJY

My favorite dunk of the night. 

It was interesting to see the Knicks keep it close without Melo. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 28, 2012, 07:04:34 AM
I think we've officially entered the 'LeBron can't be guarded one-on-one in the post' phase of his career. (insert 4th quarter joke here) Wade was spectacular as well. I think a few strategic breaks like Wade had (and Dirk is having now) will pay off down the road for teams foresightful enough to take them.

The KG thing was hilarious. I'm glad as a fan that he can still get that excited by a regular season game.

The Knicks kept it close, sure, but only by basically shooting nothing but 3s. It might work once in a while but that's never going to scare the Heat or anyone else in a series. They're just not good enough shooters for that.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 28, 2012, 12:19:19 PM
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And a deeper look into Stoudemire's stat line explains why his production has fallen off a cliff: He can't hit a shot. With a quarter of the season in the books, the 29-year-old power forward has shot 42.6 percent from the floor.

How bad is that? Consider this: Over the past 40 years, it's only happened three times that someone at his height or taller (6-foot-10) shot this often (15 shots per game) and this badly (42.6 percent). And the three players who achieved the sorry feat (Clifford Robinson, Derrick Coleman and Toni Kukoc) each shot at least 120 3-pointers in those seasons. Nearly all of Stoudemire's shots have come from inside the arc.

In other words, a traditional big man has never shot this much and this badly in about half a century. You'd have to dial it back to Nate Thurmond in the mid-60s to find a precedent.


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Let's start with the stuffed shots, which is alarming coming from a guy who used to make a living by dunking on mere mortals. Only Derrick Rose got blocked more times than Stoudemire last season according to Hoopdata.com, but this season Stoudemire's blocked rate has only increased -- drastically. On the season, Stoudemire has been blocked on 10.2 percent of his shots, which is up from 8.1 percent last season. The average power forward gets swatted on 7.1 percent of his shots.


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And that jump shot? The news gets worse. Synergy Sports tracking tells us that 101 of Stoudemire's 244 field goals are jump shots. Of the 66 players with at least 100 jump shots this season, only Tyreke Evans and DeMar DeRozan have a lower effective field goal percentage (which accounts for the added value of a 3-pointer) than Stoudemire's 32.7 percent rate. If Stoudemire was compensating for his eroding athleticism by migrating to the perimeter, that would be one thing, but the Knicks simply can't survive with these abysmal results.


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As my Insider colleague Bradford Doolittle pointed out, Stoudemire's game has changed dramatically this season -- and it's not for the better. Much of Stoudemire's immense value is generated from the pick-and-roll game, where his dynamic athleticism can be leveraged by a crafty point guard. The only problem is that the Knicks don't have one. His offense resulting from the pick-and-roll has dwindled from 9.9 percent last season to 4.8 percent this season. Amazingly, just 14 of Stoudemire's 284 points have directly resulted from a pick-and-roll catch on the move. In his heyday with Steve Nash, he could tally 14 points off the pick-and-roll by halftime.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 28, 2012, 03:05:24 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 27, 2012, 10:56:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEsQm3cxw2A


Travel.  :dur
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2012, 11:19:11 PM
What happened to Ron Artest? I've only seen one Laker game this year, but every time I look at the box score I see him doing pretty much nothing
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 28, 2012, 11:25:02 PM
His shooting from distance is pretty poor and that's all he's pretty much capable of at this point in his career and in this specific scheme. Most of his shots are bailout 3's or jumpers when somebody kicks it to him or when the other team has left him wide open.

Sometimes he gets physical and intense and still contributes based on those qualities but he's pretty much just at the very end of his career. This is his 15th season so age and his skills diminishing have just caught up with him.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 29, 2012, 12:06:12 AM
Yeah, his foot speed has deserted him completely. He can still bother people with his strength a bit when he can stay close to them but anybody near his height is able to just go right by him. He's been a liability on both ends for quite a while.

Either that or he's gone back to swigging cognac in the locker room at halftime :lol
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 29, 2012, 12:51:25 AM
Artest needs to lose some weight. His creaky joints can't keep up with so much muscle.  It's pretty hard to play SF with a single digit vertical.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: etiolate on January 29, 2012, 01:11:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_wt_1TeojE
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 29, 2012, 02:58:58 PM
Heat versus Bulls at 3:30
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 29, 2012, 05:21:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvjjEtjwKHE
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 29, 2012, 05:43:40 PM
Very good game if you aren't watching. Playoff quality. Lebron and Rose are both playing great.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Fifstar on January 29, 2012, 06:02:51 PM
WTF @ the six attempts to get the basket
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 29, 2012, 06:04:35 PM
The Heat are doing their best to lose this game
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Fifstar on January 29, 2012, 06:04:35 PM
Oh shit
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 29, 2012, 06:05:31 PM
Lebron being Lebron. Tossing up shitty shots here down the stretch.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 29, 2012, 06:06:21 PM
Wow.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Fifstar on January 29, 2012, 06:07:40 PM
Bulls didn't have the lead once this game...
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 29, 2012, 06:08:34 PM
Fucking Lebron james. Man has no clutch in him at all.  :'(
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 29, 2012, 06:12:08 PM
this shit's hilarious
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 29, 2012, 06:14:29 PM
Intense game. Clearly the two best teams in the East. I don't think Miami is honestly much better than Chicago. I think the teams are alot closer than last year. Should be interesting come playoff times.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 29, 2012, 06:33:48 PM
It got really sloppy in the last 5 minutes.  Lebron was the only Heat player that seemed to give a shit, oddly enough.

Bosh played well, I'll say.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 29, 2012, 07:34:38 PM
Bosh has legit played well this season. No one can question that. Lebron had a great game outside of forcing a couple of dumb shots down the stretch.  And I mean this is just ridiculous

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ4GA3GB3Wk

Lakers versus Minnesota should be a fun game.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 29, 2012, 08:28:51 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 29, 2012, 05:21:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvjjEtjwKHE

WHAT

WHAT!
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 29, 2012, 09:07:54 PM
T'Wolves tied it up in the 4th after being down 18 earlier in the 3rd quarter.

edit: Lakers strong enough to close it out. Good game for Kobe.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 29, 2012, 10:11:57 PM
Mavs/Spurs game was insane. Spurs had a chance to win at the end of regulation and end of overtime and they couldn't pull it out.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 30, 2012, 12:24:33 AM
Bron needs to set up on the left side more often.  When he's on the right, he tends to settle with his shite fadeaway j bcuz it's harder to finish at the rim with his right.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 30, 2012, 03:23:14 AM
(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg94/scaled.php?tn=0&server=94&filename=pdlc.png&xsize=640&ysize=640)

:lol
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 30, 2012, 10:49:53 PM
:bow Vin-sanity :bow2
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Beezy on January 31, 2012, 01:33:07 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3w_Vy0lDk_A

:bow Griffin! :bow2
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: T-Short on January 31, 2012, 02:56:17 AM
yeah just saw that and busted out laughing at work  :lol

just ridiculous
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: etiolate on January 31, 2012, 03:02:22 AM
Griffin puts the HGH in HHHNNNNNNNNNGGGGHHH
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: pilonv1 on January 31, 2012, 03:06:23 AM
fuckign insane
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 31, 2012, 03:43:24 AM
I want to do the sex with Blake

but lest we forget, Perkins has already been posterized pretty much definitively

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa9BkcW1ebw
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 31, 2012, 02:30:59 PM
Dallas is now 4th in the Western Conference. Safe to say they've turned it around. Although they still have defensive issues and Lamar Odom issues.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 31, 2012, 03:36:55 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 31, 2012, 02:30:59 PM
Dallas is now 4th in the Western Conference. Safe to say they've turned it around. Although they still have defensive issues and Lamar Odom issues.

The Mavs have turned things around thanks to quality play from Vince Carter, Delonte West, and Shawn Marion. :lol
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: pilonv1 on January 31, 2012, 05:57:29 PM
Don't forget Yi and Brandan Wright :(
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 31, 2012, 06:41:38 PM
Carlisle will get the best out of any bunch of weirdos, but the Odom thing may be beyond him. The Hornets thing seems to have destroyed him.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 31, 2012, 08:20:56 PM
I'd rather blame it on whichever Kardashian he's fucking.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 31, 2012, 08:57:34 PM
It's pretty clear that Odom wishes he was still playing in LA.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 31, 2012, 09:14:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9brQXEOQArU
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 31, 2012, 09:18:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLx-Ei2Pk_Y
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 31, 2012, 09:53:20 PM
that's brilliant  :lol
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Beezy on January 31, 2012, 10:24:51 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 31, 2012, 10:35:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87GQtZ2_xg0
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 01, 2012, 01:51:08 AM
(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/1650/nikeidz.jpg)

(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/453/nikeid2.jpg)

I was thinking of getting a Clippers version of Kobe's new shoe.  At $180, it's a pretty good deal for a customized shoe.  Too bad the Kobe signature is still on it and they won't let me put Kobe on the left shoe and sucks on the right.  I also can't put Clippers on the back because there is a 6 character limit.  The closest thing is LA CLIPS but that's kinda lame. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on February 01, 2012, 02:19:36 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 31, 2012, 09:18:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLx-Ei2Pk_Y

LJ is the first one I remember doing that, although I'm sure someone did it before him.

Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 01, 2012, 12:19:56 PM
Does the NBA publish any kind of blackout map? I want to buy the mobile league pass to watch Mavs games, but I don't know whether I'm considered to be in the local viewing area or not. I don't want to shell out $40 and then have it go LOL NOPE.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2012, 12:21:20 PM
blackout? I honestly didn't know NBA games had to worry about that, figured it was just football/baseball
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on February 01, 2012, 12:31:02 PM
Yep, all games are blacked out in the 'local market' if they aren't on local TV.

For Charlotte the local market extended out to the outer banks which can be up to a five hour drive one way.  It's ridiculous.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2012, 12:33:11 PM
ah ok

nba-gaf delivers
(http://i.imgur.com/D2gnb.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2012, 12:35:08 PM
Found this from 2008: http://www.tsq.com/alerts/NBA%20League%20Pass%20blackouts%202007%202008.pdf

From the google search it seems people in Austin can't get Spurs games, not sure how much that applies to you and Mavs games.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 01, 2012, 12:49:28 PM
I downloaded the NBA app, and it tells you whether you're blacked out for certain games or not without paying for the season pass. Looks like I'm blacked out. :(

I had to switch cable providers last week, the old company was in Texas but the new one's in Oklahoma, and now I don't get local Dallas stations anymore and FSN is now the Oklahoma version, so I only get Thunder.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 01, 2012, 10:14:19 PM
Another classic Miami 4th quarter suck-a-thon
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 02, 2012, 03:12:40 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-Kq8RBGKcs
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 02, 2012, 03:28:45 AM
How is that not traveling
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: etiolate on February 02, 2012, 03:39:35 AM
It's only one step?
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 02, 2012, 03:55:24 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 02, 2012, 03:28:45 AM
How is that not traveling

Gayest post ever.



I haven't seen a 76ers game all season so I have no idea if they are just feasting on an easy schedule which is the conventional wisdom but they took down the bulls tonight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP6i_7LXowQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeCTVkUspG0
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: etiolate on February 02, 2012, 04:09:48 AM
Sixers play really good defense, are riding Hawes going CONTRACT YEAAAAAAAAR, and play well together. I am not sure how they hold up in close games without a go-to guy, but they're deep and put out constant pressure on the other team.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Mandark on February 02, 2012, 05:47:47 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 02, 2012, 03:28:45 AM
How is that not traveling

Cause a player "may take two steps in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball."

On the other hand, Iguodala totally carried the ball for that behind the back dribble.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 02, 2012, 08:02:01 PM
Fan Voted All Star starters.


Eastern Conference Starting Lineup

G: Derrick Rose, Chicago Bulls

G: Dwyane Wade, Miami Heat

F: LeBron James, Miami Heat

F: Carmelo Anthony, New York Knicks

C: Dwight Howard, Orlando Magic

 

Western Conference Starting Lineup

G: Kobe Bryant, Los Angeles Lakers

G: Chris Paul, Los Angeles Clippers

F: Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City Thunder

F: Blake Griffin, Los Angeles Clippers

C: Andrew Bynum, Los Angeles Lakers
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 02, 2012, 08:05:02 PM
Hard to decide if Melo or Bynum is less deserving. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 02, 2012, 08:11:36 PM
They both aren't deserving, it's hilarious
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 02, 2012, 08:36:24 PM
Amare is beasting right now.  Has 16 of the knicks 33 so far.  They're playing good D against the Bulls tonight.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 05, 2012, 03:34:10 AM
Knicks played a really fun game tonight capped off by this unlikely performance.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ed5KFr2YsI
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 06, 2012, 10:21:21 PM
Who the heck is Jeremy Lin?  Don't wanna be racist but it's hard to believe he's actually a legit player.  I thought teams were just signing him to draw Asian fans. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 06, 2012, 11:16:32 PM
http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/jeremy_lin/career_stats.html

He scored 28 points for the knicks again tonight and dished 8 assists. Dude is ballin.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: etiolate on February 06, 2012, 11:25:03 PM
Lin balls versus NBAers in off-seasons and camps all the time. He's been in the league a few years. He has skills.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Beezy on February 06, 2012, 11:27:54 PM
I missed Saturday's game, so Lin really surprised me tonight.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 07, 2012, 12:06:50 AM
Kid is gonna make lots of money in advertising if he can become the Knicks' starting PG in the next few years.  He won't even have to be an All-Star. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2012, 12:09:57 AM
https://twitter.com/#!/fivethirtyeight/status/166747424239521792
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 07, 2012, 12:16:34 AM
Just heard on local radio that Billups might have a torn Achilles tendon.   :(

They better sign JR Smith now.  Just when everything seems to be perfect, the Clippers curse struck again. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 07, 2012, 12:19:35 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2012, 12:09:57 AM
https://twitter.com/#!/fivethirtyeight/status/166747424239521792

Right now Lin looks like he should have been picked ahead of John Wall.  Fucking John Wall.  He was starting to become one of my fav players which is why I bought his shitty shoes.  Guy has no PG game at all.  Sure he'll get some 30 pt games like tonight on pure athleticism but right now his skills are nowhere near NBA level. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2012, 12:23:01 AM
To be fair, Wall is surrounded by some pretty bad players and his coach is a choke artist.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Mandark on February 07, 2012, 12:24:16 AM
I didn't know Randy Wittman warranted a reputation, other than "probably not good".
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 07, 2012, 12:24:27 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 06, 2012, 10:21:21 PM
I thought teams were just signing him to draw Asian fans.

(http://wiki.nba-live.com/uploads/Games/06coverjapan.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 07, 2012, 12:26:27 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2012, 12:23:01 AM
To be fair, Wall is surrounded by some pretty bad players and his coach is a choke artist.

True but Wall can't even hit a wide open FT distance jumper at higher than 20%.  Even if he has good teammates, he won't be able to pass to them because everyone will just play off him. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 07, 2012, 12:27:07 AM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on February 07, 2012, 12:24:27 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 06, 2012, 10:21:21 PM
I thought teams were just signing him to draw Asian fans.

(http://wiki.nba-live.com/uploads/Games/06coverjapan.jpg)

I've never even seen this guy in the NBA!  Who is he? 
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 07, 2012, 12:32:04 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 07, 2012, 12:27:07 AM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on February 07, 2012, 12:24:27 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 06, 2012, 10:21:21 PM
I thought teams were just signing him to draw Asian fans.

(http://wiki.nba-live.com/uploads/Games/06coverjapan.jpg)

I've never even seen this guy in the NBA!  Who is he?

Yuta Tabuse. He played for Phoenix for one month back in the mid 2000s. :lol

Quote
In 2005, Tabuse signed with the Los Angeles Clippers, but was waived before the start of the regular season.[12][13] That fall, Tabuse appeared on a limited edition cover of NBA Live video game in Japan, even though he did not play a single NBA regular season game

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuta_Tabuse
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2012, 12:33:56 AM
Quote from: Mandark on February 07, 2012, 12:24:16 AM
I didn't know Randy Wittman warranted a reputation, other than "probably not good".

I thought Flip was still the coach. Oh man..
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: pilonv1 on February 07, 2012, 03:15:58 AM
Remember when Goran Dragic had a few good games?
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 07, 2012, 03:29:07 AM
Yup, New Yorkers shouldn't get too excited yet.  There's basically no scouting report on Lin because he's never even been a solid rotation player.  Flip Murray had a crazy start too in Seattle before teams finally caught on to his game.  The good thing about Lin is that he does seem to have PG vision and that's really rare nowadays. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 07, 2012, 11:59:57 AM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on February 07, 2012, 12:32:04 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuta_Tabuse

That's awesome. I wonder what his stats were like.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: T-Short on February 07, 2012, 01:12:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieymkwx3wRU

he was benched directly after this :lol
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 07, 2012, 03:18:08 PM
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7550968/los-angeles-lakers-kobe-bryant-talks-split-shaquille-oneal

 ::)
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: etiolate on February 07, 2012, 05:25:13 PM
Shaq and Chuck are picking the teams for the Rookie v Sophmore game. Somehow, they are going to screw up what has become one of the more entertaining parts of all star weekend.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 07, 2012, 06:30:32 PM
Quote
Los Angeles Clippers guard Chauncey Billups suffered a torn left Achilles tendon Monday night and will miss the remainder of the season, the team announced Tuesday.

"I feel sick for him," Clippers coach Vinny Del Negro said Tuesday when reached on his cell phone by ESPNLosAngeles.com's Ramona Shelburne. "He's such a pro. After the game last night it was bittersweet. Everyone was just quiet in the locker room, quiet on the plane. People know how much Chauncey means to us -- his character, his leadership. Not only his abilty to play at a high level, but his character and the intagibles he brings. That's why we brought him here. I just feel sick for him."

Billups suffered the injury with 5:59 left in the fourth quarter of the Clippers' 107-102 overtime victory over the Orlando Magic on Monday. An MRI on the tendon Tuesday in Cleveland revealed the severity of the injury.

Midway through the fourth quarter against Orlando, Billups fell to the ground untouched after he tried to change direction following a missed three-point attempt. Unable to put any pressure on the foot, he was helped off the court by his teammates.

"It's a tough one," Del Negro said. "He was just getting everything figured out. He was playing great. He'd just hit three 3s in a row, then he turns the wrong way running back down the court.

"It's tough, but we're going to do whatever we can as a team an organization to move forward."

The Clippers' locker room after the game was somber and Clippers guard Chris Paul was emotional as he talked about the importance of Billups to the team.

"He's the best guard I've ever started with in the backcourt since I've been in the NBA," Paul said. "I trust him with anything, and that's not just on the court. We need him, no question."

Billups was claimed off waivers by the Clippers on Dec. 13, a day before Paul was traded to the Clippers, helping to reshape the image of the Clippers over a 48-hour time span this offseason.

The New York Knicks waived Billups on Dec. 11 under the NBA's new amnesty clause. Billups was under contract for $14.2 million. The Clippers' winning bid to land Billups in the waiver auction was just over $2 million, meaning that the Knicks still have to pay out the remaining balance of nearly $12 million from Billups' salary this season.

Billups, who averaged 14.9 points and 4.0 assists in 20 starts for the Clippers this season, missed two games with a strained right groin earlier this season. Randy Foye is expected to take Billups' place in the starting lineup with Mo Williams, who is averaging 14.8 points and 3.8 assists, continuing to come off the bench in his current sixth man role.

Foye has already started six games this season while filling in for both Billups and Paul and is averaging 7.2 points and 2.1 assists in 20 minutes per game.

"It's something where we have to get everybody's mindset back up, but it's a tough blow for us no question," Del Negro said. "We dont' have a choice but to move on and figure out how to win tommorrow. You just have to do what you can, understand this is the situation and the adversity that you have to deal with. No one is going to feel sorry for us."

Given Billups' age (35), the injury might be more than just season-ending for the 15-year veteran who has played on seven teams. He had his greatest success during six seasons with the Detroit Pistons from 2002-2008 where he won the 2004 NBA Finals MVP and led the Pistons to back-to-back Finals and six straight conference finals appearances. If the injury does end Billups' career, it would be eerily similar to the way another great Pistons guard ended his career. Isiah Thomas' 13-year career came to an end when he suffered a season-ending Achilles injury against the Magic 18 years ago.

Before his injury, Billups helped recruit his former teammate forward Kenyon Martin to sign with the Clippers. Martin could make his debut for the Clippers on Wednesday after joining the team in Orlando.

The Clippers could also be in the market for another former Billups teammate to fill his void as the Clippers are one of several teams in the market to sign veteran swingman J.R. Smith. Smith is currently leading the Chinese Basketball Association in scoring (35.4 points per game) and would be eligible to sign with an NBA team once his Zhejiang club finishes its season and he is cleared by FIBA this month.

On Tuesday, the Clippers waived forward Solomon Jones, bringing their roster down to 14 and creating some flexibility if the Clippers do decide to sign another player.

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7552138/los-angeles-clippers-chauncey-billups-season-torn-achilles
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 07, 2012, 11:13:13 PM
Air Jordan 2012 is finally releasing. 

http://www.nicekicks.com/2012/02/air-jordan-2012-officially-unveiled-2/

Looks amazing but $223 is a pretty steep price.  Unless the performance reviews are excellent, I'll probably wait for a 20% off sale. 

I really want a pair with this color.

(http://cdn.nicekicks.wpengine.com/wp/files/2012/02/Air-Jordan-20121.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 08, 2012, 03:35:40 PM
Quote from: Hyoushi on February 07, 2012, 01:12:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieymkwx3wRU

he was benched directly after this :lol

Some day, Toronto will get a professional basketball team.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 08, 2012, 09:59:59 PM
Tonight

J. Lin
Points: 23
Reb: 4
Ast: 10
Stl: 1
Blk: 1

 :bow2
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: pilonv1 on February 08, 2012, 10:27:13 PM
I could get that line against the Wizards
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: etiolate on February 08, 2012, 11:11:14 PM
The Wizards rotation goes about two players deep.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: pilonv1 on February 09, 2012, 12:32:03 AM
yep

Trevor Booker
Chris Singleton
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 09, 2012, 01:04:20 AM
John Wall is garbage.  I'm donating his shoes to the salvation army tomorrow. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Beezy on February 09, 2012, 01:26:56 AM
Those 2012 Jordans are fugly.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 09, 2012, 01:44:48 AM
Perkins is such a whiny, petty bitch.  Just get back Lebron or Griffin on the court if he's sick of people talking about that dunk. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 09, 2012, 07:43:44 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 08, 2012, 09:59:59 PM
Tonight

J. Lin
Points: 23
Reb: 4
Ast: 10
Stl: 1
Blk: 1

 :bow2

Linsanity: Half Mandarin Half Amazing
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 09, 2012, 09:51:15 PM
All Star reserves

Quote
The seven reserve spots were selected by a vote of each conference’s head coaches.

The Eastern Conference reserves: Miami Heat forward Chris Bosh, Atlanta Hawks guard Joe Johnson, Indiana Pacers center Roy Hibbert, Boston Celtics forward Paul Pierce, New Jersey Nets guard Deron Williams, Chicago Bulls forward Luol Deng, Philadelphia 76ers forward Andre Iguodala.

The Western Conference reserves: Minnesota Timberwolves forward Kevin Love, Portland Trail Blazers forward LaMarcus Aldridge, Oklahoma City Thunder guard Russell Westbrook, Dallas Mavericks forward Dirk Nowitzki, San Antonio Spurs guard Tony Parker, Phoenix Suns guard Steve Nash and Memphis Grizzlies center Marc Gasol.

The starting lineups for both teams, selected by a fan voting process, were unveiled last week.

The Eastern Conference starting lineup: Chicago Bulls guard Derrick Rose, Miami Heat guard Dwyane Wade, Heat forward LeBron James, New York Knicks forward Carmelo Anthony and Orlando Magic center Dwight Howard.

The Western Conference starting lineup: Los Angeles Clippers guard Chris Paul, Los Angeles Lakers guard Kobe Bryant, Oklahoma City Thunder forward Kevin Durant, Clippers forward Blake Griffin and Lakers center Andrew Bynum.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 10, 2012, 01:36:53 AM
East has better top level talent but West has more depth, especially bigs.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 10, 2012, 11:04:43 PM
J. Lin
Points: 38
Reb: 4
Ast: 7
Stl: 2
Blk: 0

And they beat the Lakers.

 :bow2


(http://i.imgur.com/0b2Vu.jpg)


Typical GAF Laker cocksucker

Quote
One of these players was being doubled and even triple teamed, and one of these players was being guarded by Derek Fisher and a guy who's been out of uniform for several weeks.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 10, 2012, 11:35:18 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=35033524&postcount=9308
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 11, 2012, 01:34:44 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YdaJWKdZuU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0IMGM0wzzs
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 11, 2012, 03:01:58 AM
Berieve!
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Beezy on February 11, 2012, 03:13:24 AM
Great week for NY sports fans. :D
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2012, 03:34:11 AM
That reverse layup over Gasol :bow
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 11, 2012, 08:30:41 PM
Linsanity has been like a whole week of Dragic Games :rock
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 11, 2012, 10:44:10 PM
Knicks won again but Lin came down to earth a bit. He was 8 of 24. He also needs to work on his turnovers. He turned it over 6 times tonight. 6 times against the Lakers. And 8 times against utah.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2012, 11:15:10 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on February 11, 2012, 10:48:17 PM
Lin was Kobe-esque tonight.

If by that you mean having more shot attempts than points, sure
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: pilonv1 on February 12, 2012, 12:17:17 AM
comparisons to Kobe in 2012 are the worst kind of compliments
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Beezy on February 12, 2012, 12:56:12 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 11, 2012, 10:44:10 PM
Knicks won again but Lin came down to earth a bit. He was 8 of 24. He also needs to work on his turnovers. He turned it over 6 times tonight. 6 times against the Lakers. And 8 times against utah.
Lin will be fine. This is the first game where he was clearly tired. Going from a benchwarmer to playing like 35-40 mins a game for 5 games straight can't be an easy transition.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on February 13, 2012, 12:04:42 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKKOEBDAz1A

This is a compilation vid shot by my gf at the Bobcats Clippers game last night. It's got all of Blake Griffin's dunks including the one he just barely missed, pretty sick.

Also included is me shouting at Corey Higgins with my given name for him (Nepo.)

Fun game even though we got smoked, I enjoyed the Throwback stuff and 70s music.

And especially the cheerleader outfits.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFj_W8xAdhw

This was Brittany Kerr from AI in the tight white shirt and hot pants. I said 'damn.'
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: pilonv1 on February 13, 2012, 05:25:04 AM
winning streak! fuck you scola and martin :rock
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 13, 2012, 10:22:00 PM
holy shit, a Vince Carter sighting tonight!
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Mandark on February 14, 2012, 01:40:05 PM
Why do so many people seem so sure that Eric Gordon's going to leave New Orleans in free agency?  He's restricted, and the NBA previously cleared the team to re-sign him, and you have to imagine that they'd feel the pressure of keeping a good young player and showing that they got something valuable for Chris Paul.

I guess it's the combination of the Pacers showing strong interest and the NBA wanting to keep financial obligations for the Hornets to a minimum until they find a buyer?
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: etiolate on February 14, 2012, 02:25:39 PM
Well it sure seems like he or his agent is bleeding his injury dry for all they can. I don't know if that message is coming from NO or why it would come from Stern & NO temp-management. If it is a message being sent by Gordon and his agent, it seems to say he'd leave.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Beezy on February 14, 2012, 04:58:26 PM
http://globalgrind.com/style/bar-refaeli-chris-paul-sports-illustrated-swimsuit-edition-photos

...does this dude not workout at all? ???
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: pilonv1 on February 14, 2012, 06:30:38 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 14, 2012, 01:40:05 PM
Why do so many people seem so sure that Eric Gordon's going to leave New Orleans in free agency?  He's restricted, and the NBA previously cleared the team to re-sign him, and you have to imagine that they'd feel the pressure of keeping a good young player and showing that they got something valuable for Chris Paul.

I guess it's the combination of the Pacers showing strong interest and the NBA wanting to keep financial obligations for the Hornets to a minimum until they find a buyer?

Typical media garbage. Everyone is going to big markets!
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 14, 2012, 07:33:02 PM
http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/dish/201202/allen-iverson-has-no-answer-financial-woes


What a shocking story!
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 14, 2012, 10:10:04 PM
Knicks won a really tight win versus Toronto. They were down the entire game and being outplayed but they pulled it together for the win.

Lin hit the game winner.

27 pts
11 assists
9-20.


He's the real deal. Good player. He just gets out of control at times which he needs to work on. 8 more turnovers tonight.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFGJayZ73es

Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 14, 2012, 10:15:34 PM
Six starts, six wins. Incredible.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 14, 2012, 10:17:10 PM
This was probably the most impressive win despite it being Toronto because they just didn't have it tonight. This is a game they stole on the road and absolutely would have lost before this and just folded.

He basically has saved D'Antoni's job. He runs a really good pick and roll and two man game to either get a decent look for himself or the other guy. The offense just doesn't stagnate into iso play with every watching Carmelo or Amare go 1 on 5. 
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2012, 10:18:26 PM
those are tebowesque numbers
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 14, 2012, 10:21:04 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 14, 2012, 10:18:26 PM
those are tebowesque numbers


Lame Joke going around.


What's the difference between Lin and Tebow?

Lin can pass.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2012, 10:31:15 PM
lulz

similar story though, and I think this is even better: a team that was supposed to be great, sucks, gets hurt, and then is lead by a no-name to six straight wins.  Crazy.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2012, 10:45:29 PM
via espn:

Quote
Jeremy Lin has now scored 130 points in his first five starts. He's passed @SHAQ for the most since the ABA-NBA merger.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 14, 2012, 11:03:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkkgsvfDgfM
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2012, 11:39:19 PM
just watched this on League Pass. I was literally lol'ing when he hit that last J in Calderon's grill. The kid has some fuckin' STONES on him :lol The drive and layup before that was even better.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2012, 11:42:41 PM
from twitter: 'Who says Asians can't drive?' :lol
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 15, 2012, 12:22:31 AM
Listen to that crowd roar! He just beat their team.

I'm not saying he's Magic Johnson but he is very, very good and could be a star for a long time. Just compare with someone like Norris Cole, who came back to earth real fast after an amazing debut. Cole is good, but Lin is way way better than that.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2012, 01:03:54 AM
Amare got blocked so many times in that game. He has lost some explosiveness.


Watching Anthony come back will be interesting. It's cliche to say it at this point but it will be fascinating to see how the offense runs.
Title: Re: NBA season thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 15, 2012, 01:25:05 AM
Yeah. Granted, that's about all these Raptor bigs can do, minus Bargnani. But still, he is on the downside for sure.

Melo is saying all the right things but I really think he's almost as bad as Iverson in his inability to co-exist with other scorers. Lin handled Amare very well - passed up his own shots to set him up early, took the pressure off him later. The issue is not so much Amare and Melo but all the other trash that surrounds them...Bill Walker should never be starting for an NBA team. Still, a few more 6 game win streaks could put them in great playoff position in this shortened season. Gonna be fun seeing what this kid can do in the post season! I'm all the way on board.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2012, 01:30:43 AM
The problem for the Celtics and Knicks is that not only do those two rosters have legit problems but they will have to battle mightily to get out of the 7th and 8th slots where they would get mauled by the bulls and the heat in the first round. You want that #6 slot to avoid those two teams but you have to beat out Atlanta, Orlando, or Indiana. One of those teams falling off is possible but its still going to be a battle to get to that 6th slot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 15, 2012, 01:38:56 AM
That's one point of view, certainly. It's also possible that they might never lose again :lol

Getting ahead of myself for sure here but my god, wouldn't it just be HILARIOUS if they did knock off the Heat in the first round.

(reference there to Kobe being asked if he might guard Lin the other night. He responded: 'Jesus Christ. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here' :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Himu on February 15, 2012, 01:40:02 AM
jesus christ
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Beezy on February 15, 2012, 01:43:39 AM
Knicks vs. Kings tomorrow. Where's etiolate?!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 15, 2012, 01:45:33 AM
probably just going to whine about how the system is rigged so that only big market teams can sign D-leaguers for league minimums anyway
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Beezy on February 15, 2012, 01:46:45 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: etiolate on February 15, 2012, 01:50:49 AM
I hope Lin gets bent over by Reke n Thornton.  >|
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 15, 2012, 01:56:52 AM
(http://man.shorthaircutsx.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/ricky-rubio.jpg)

"Cormac, have you forgotten me mi amor?"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 15, 2012, 01:57:41 AM
Kobe Bryant, John Wall, Jose Calderon, Ricky Rubio...sure, let's add Tyreke Evans to the list

Of note: the scouting has caught up with Lin. Toronto was double-teaming him early, and Calderon (admittedly the world's shittiest defender...) tried to make him drive left at the end...but Lin took the jumper instead. His shot and inability to go left are still major weaknesses but not necessarily fatal, as many were predicting.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 15, 2012, 01:58:28 AM
yeah, when he dribbled off his foot to effectively end the game against the Knicks
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Beezy on February 15, 2012, 01:59:11 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/lbK1q.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2012, 02:00:34 AM
Quote from: Beezy on February 15, 2012, 01:59:11 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/lbK1q.png)
:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 15, 2012, 02:01:27 AM
Creepy Old Guy - no, I still love Rubio but I have to admit, Lin stole his thunder the other night (although Rubio guarded Lin very well indeed). I think Ricky is hitting the rookie wall a bit...they've dropped 4 in a row.
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 15, 2012, 02:02:30 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 15, 2012, 12:22:31 AM
Listen to that crowd roar! He just beat their team.

I'm not saying he's Magic Johnson but he is very, very good and could be a star for a long time. Just compare with someone like Norris Cole, who came back to earth real fast after an amazing debut. Cole is good, but Lin is way way better than that.


Even #1 playa hater Charley Rosen thinks that Lin can become a perennial All-Star.


http://hoopshype.com/columns/rosen/breaking-down-jeremy-lin
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: etiolate on February 15, 2012, 02:08:01 AM
The TWolves are more likely running into the Adelman wall. He sticks to his lineups and rotations despite most anything, but then he'll easily get baited into playing a style or pace that doesn't fit his team by the other coach.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 15, 2012, 02:11:26 AM
What's going on with Jimmer?  He was supposed to get Lin-ilar hype. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 15, 2012, 02:12:57 AM
Jimmer can't get his shot against NBA defenses, more-or-less as expected. Also miserable on D.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Mandark on February 15, 2012, 02:14:39 AM
Quote from: Beezy on February 15, 2012, 01:59:11 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/lbK1q.png)

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Never got how those guys didn't catch way more shit for that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 15, 2012, 02:15:27 AM
I'm anxiously awaiting to see how Jordan and the Bobcats can ruin Anthony Davis next year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 15, 2012, 02:23:20 AM
Lin last 5 games:

27.2 pts, 8.8 assists, 58.8% FG%, 1.8 steals. Oh, and 5 wins.

I don't think anybody can call that a flash in the pan really. LeBron, Rose and Wade are probably the only other players capable of numbers like that right now. I love Rubio's creativity and potential but it's like Lin is already a fully-formed All Star
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 15, 2012, 02:26:33 AM
Anthony Davis is talented but I don't think he'll be a superstar regardless of which team drafts him.  Although Davis will be a huge defensive presence, he is unlikley to be much more than a passable player on offense. I see him as the next Tyson Chandler/Marcus Camby. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 15, 2012, 02:36:35 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 15, 2012, 02:23:20 AM
Lin last 5 games:

27.2 pts, 8.8 assists, 58.8% FG%, 1.8 steals. Oh, and 5 wins.

I don't think anybody can call that a flash in the pan really. LeBron, Rose and Wade are probably the only other players capable of numbers like that right now. I love Rubio's creativity and potential but it's like Lin is already a fully-formed All Star

Yeah, those numbers would be ridiculously good even for a #1 overall pick, even crazier if you consider who he's been running with. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 15, 2012, 02:42:05 AM
It would be eye-opening if Kobe or Durant did that over 5 games really. And I mean, if they did it RIGHT NOW, not their first 5 career starts...

And yeah, I counted 3 or 4 blown assists that got counted as turnovers against Lin. With better teammates the numbers would be even sicker. They've got to come down of course but still.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 15, 2012, 02:46:59 AM
Turnovers will probably come down once Lin adjusts to the size of NBA players and learns that certain passes shouldn't be tried.  Although the Ivy League is still Division 1, its players are significantly smaller than most conferences. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 15, 2012, 02:59:08 AM
uh-huh...and he doubles his assists. And gets some blocks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: etiolate on February 15, 2012, 03:02:38 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 15, 2012, 02:12:57 AM
Jimmer can't get his shot against NBA defenses, more-or-less as expected. Also miserable on D.

I'm not sure that's it. It seems more like playing with a bunch of chuckers has made him gun shy. He struggles in the lane, but the surprising thing is he's passing up available shots on the perimeter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 15, 2012, 03:06:57 AM
Here's the thing with Westbrook - if he scores in the region of 27, he's not getting 9 assists. If he gets 9 assists regularly, he'll be scoring 22 or so max.
Ditto for Kobe. (Over multiple games obviously - both are eminently capable of having single game stats like that). That Lin is scoring and dishing simultaneously puts him in rarefied air indeed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 15, 2012, 03:12:32 AM
I'm most impressed with Lin's ability to finish at the rim.  He's just really good at absorbing the contact and shielding the ball. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 15, 2012, 03:18:05 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 15, 2012, 03:12:32 AM
I'm most impressed with Lin's ability to finish at the rim.  He's just really good at absorbing the contact and shielding the ball.

Of course you're not impressed with him, he's not a black porn star and doesn't have 32 gigs of ram stuck into him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Mandark on February 15, 2012, 03:23:08 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 15, 2012, 02:23:20 AM
Lin last 5 games:

27.2 pts, 8.8 assists, 58.8% FG%, 1.8 steals. Oh, and 5 wins.

I don't think anybody can call that a flash in the pan really. LeBron, Rose and Wade are probably the only other players capable of numbers like that right now. I love Rubio's creativity and potential but it's like Lin is already a fully-formed All Star

Hey now.  Chris Paul against the Lakers in the first round last year and Deron Williams' series against the Nuggets the year before had better numbers over a five game stretch and those were in the playoffs.

I have to think he's going to cool off at least a little, cause he's had some favorable matchups and he's basically putting up top-5 MVP finisher numbers right now, but five games is enough to show that he's a legit player.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2012, 03:28:28 AM
He will definitely come down to Earth at some point. The question is what will his "real" baseline be. Is 15 or 16 ppg and 8 or 9 assists realistic. Or is he better than that?

Like most people I'm not sure. I think averaging 20 and 8 or 9 would be his high end. Which would be amazing if he could sustain that for an undrafted player who has to share the ball with Anthony. Make no mistake, when Anthony comes back, he will take over as the leading scorer for that team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 15, 2012, 03:29:21 AM
I still love AstroLad posts:

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=35154123&postcount=647
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 15, 2012, 03:29:37 AM
Quote from: Mandark on February 15, 2012, 03:23:08 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 15, 2012, 02:23:20 AM
Lin last 5 games:

27.2 pts, 8.8 assists, 58.8% FG%, 1.8 steals. Oh, and 5 wins.

I don't think anybody can call that a flash in the pan really. LeBron, Rose and Wade are probably the only other players capable of numbers like that right now. I love Rubio's creativity and potential but it's like Lin is already a fully-formed All Star

Hey now.  Chris Paul against the Lakers in the first round last year and Deron Williams' series against the Nuggets the year before had better numbers over a five game stretch and those were in the playoffs.

I have to think he's going to cool off at least a little, cause he's had some favorable matchups and he's basically putting up top-5 MVP finisher numbers right now, but five games is enough to show that he's a legit player.
yeeeah ok, that's the kind of territory we're talking about. But playoffs are basically like playing the same game 5 times in a row. And you get weird match-up issues that lead to teams, for example, allowing Steve Nash to go for 50 or Amare to average 40 against one of the best defensive PFs ever. Look at Lin's line against the Lakers and then tell me that CP3 didn't benefit from going against Derek Fisher 5 times in a row.

This is a truly randomized 5 game stretch (well, 6 actually although ESPN only conveniently provides the stats for the last 5).

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: DJ_Tet on February 15, 2012, 03:38:47 AM
Quote from: Mandark on February 15, 2012, 02:14:39 AM
Quote from: Beezy on February 15, 2012, 01:59:11 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/lbK1q.png)

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Never got how those guys didn't catch way more shit for that.

The worst was Raging Spaniard on GAF going on and on about how it wasn't racist and people were overreacting to the joke.  Then he says that Americans are way more racist than that anyway.

That guy is a taco.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Mandark on February 15, 2012, 03:45:04 AM
Like I said, I think Lin's for real.  I just don't want to put him ahead of the likes of CP3 and Williams based on one fortnight in the regular season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: etiolate on February 15, 2012, 03:58:42 AM
Raging Spaniard is cool. He's come off that viewpoint over time.

I can totally see Lin being a Calderon or Bibby level of player. Very good deal at his current salary. I'm curious about how he levels out over the rest of the year just to see how much he'll cost teams in the summer.

Not that the Kings need a PG or anything.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 15, 2012, 04:43:33 AM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on February 15, 2012, 03:29:21 AM
I still love AstroLad posts:

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=35154123&postcount=647

:lol

Sports Gaf must be an absolute laugh-riot, maybe I should check it out once in a while
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: pilonv1 on February 15, 2012, 04:49:33 AM
best gaf is great. Only reason to visit the forum these days.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2012, 02:11:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxhJvgKNUCI
Title: Re: NBA season thread
Post by: T-Short on February 15, 2012, 02:19:15 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2012, 11:39:19 PM
just watched this on League Pass. I was literally lol'ing when he hit that last J in Calderon's grill. The kid has some fuckin' STONES on him :lol The drive and layup before that was even better.

Watched this game today. So amazing. And the swagger he has when walking away after swishing the final three :lol

:bow Super Lintendo :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: DJ_Tet on February 15, 2012, 02:47:57 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2012, 02:11:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxhJvgKNUCI

Glad that got youtubed.  I'll give him a bit of a pass as it was his second game back (and like 5th this year) and both teams were wearing throwback unis.  And he played for the Clips for like 7 years.

It was so bad it was funny.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: T-Short on February 15, 2012, 03:19:55 PM
Preorder this, Beezy

http://digitalgravel.myshopify.com/products/yellow-mamba-t-shirt (http://digitalgravel.myshopify.com/products/yellow-mamba-t-shirt)

(http://i.imgur.com/uZrsb.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 15, 2012, 03:22:25 PM
Jeremy Lin even saved Kobe's marriage in time for WOW-LIN-TIMES Day. :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2012, 03:53:37 PM
Interesting article on China's reaction to Lin
http://idealab.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/02/knicks-star-jeremy-lin-rules-social-media-ignored-by-china-broadcaster.php?ref=fpblg
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 15, 2012, 08:08:55 PM
The Knicks offense is so fucking bad when Lin isn't on the court :rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 15, 2012, 08:21:39 PM
Yeah, it makes all Lin's talk of D'Antoni's amazing system and how he is an offensive genius etc ring a bit hollow. I mean, D'Antoni is without a doubt a great offensive coach, but he needs the right personnel. His tenure in NYC has been a misery because of his abject failure to tailor that system to the available personnel. He lucked out with Lin for sure.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 15, 2012, 08:26:43 PM
Sounds like an arena deal has been reached in Seattle. Press conference tomorrow morning at City Hall.

Sacramento? Charlotte? Who we stealin?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2012, 08:40:49 PM
Lin 1st half
 
9 assists
1 turnover

Now that's good stuff.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 15, 2012, 09:00:19 PM
Haven't been able to watch the game but the radio hosts in LA (hardcore Laker homers) are saying that Lin truly looks like an Asian Steve Nash. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2012, 09:23:15 PM
Knicks got this one early. 22 point lead going into the 4th. They'll probably sit the starters early. Lin has 10 points and 13 assists.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Mandark on February 15, 2012, 09:25:48 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 15, 2012, 08:21:39 PM
Yeah, it makes all Lin's talk of D'Antoni's amazing system and how he is an offensive genius etc ring a bit hollow. I mean, D'Antoni is without a doubt a great offensive coach, but he needs the right personnel. His tenure in NYC has been a misery because of his abject failure to tailor that system to the available personnel. He lucked out with Lin for sure.

New York's offense was really efficient before the Carmelo trade, no?  I remember Hollinger being skeptical of the deal because it would be hard for them to score better, while their defense had a ton of room for improvement.  But yeah, D'Antoni works well when he has a team of shooters and some decent guard play.  I think the best way to look at it right now is that D'Antoni is helping Lin produce in a way that nobody thought he could, while Lin is saving D'Antoni's system from stagnating with bad PG play.


Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2012, 08:40:49 PM
Lin 1st half
 
9 assists
1 turnover

Now that's good stuff.

Well now he has his usual 6 TO's, but he is out-assisting Sacramento 13 to 11.  Considering the Knicks are up by enough to rest him, the Kings better catch up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2012, 09:34:07 PM
In other news the Spurs have run off 9 wins a row. And the Bobcats have dropped 15 in a row and are 3-25.

Oh MJ. You so crazy.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3xu8EBO2BY
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Beezy on February 15, 2012, 10:13:37 PM
 :lol

7 wins, .500 :dur
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 15, 2012, 10:22:40 PM
Mandark - yes, back in the dark ages when he had a real PG (Felton) and was running Amare into the ground, the offense looked great. But it wasn't going to last and he didn't develop anyone else to score for when Amare inevitably faded. I liked the deal for that reason - they needed another offensive big gun for when the uninsurable knees gave out.

It's just nutty how bad NY's penetration becomes without Lin. You'd think it wouldn't be THAT hard to feed Stat and Chandler but apparently it is.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 15, 2012, 10:23:21 PM
Quote from: Beezy on February 15, 2012, 10:13:37 PM
:lol

7 wins, .500 :dur

Never again will you taste the salty tears of defeat my friend. Consider this a personal guarantee
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 15, 2012, 10:29:48 PM
How did the Jimmer go in the lottery while Linsanity went undrafted?  SMH @ NBA talent evaluators
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 15, 2012, 10:32:31 PM
Michael Lewis probably about 20,000 words deep in a book about just that right now, Smooth
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: etiolate on February 15, 2012, 10:40:38 PM
I want to apologize for thinking that Tyreke Evans cares about or understands professional basketball.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 15, 2012, 11:25:20 PM
Cousins is fucking hilarious, haven't seen a scarier player since back when Artest was on the half-time cognac. Who the fuck would want to play with him?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: DJ_Tet on February 15, 2012, 11:55:20 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on February 15, 2012, 08:26:43 PM
Sounds like an arena deal has been reached in Seattle. Press conference tomorrow morning at City Hall.

Sacramento? Charlotte? Who we stealin?

Surely you meant New Orleans.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 16, 2012, 12:07:05 AM
Marion really has been great this season, one of the Mav's few constants. Had 16 points on 8 of 14 shootin, 10 rebounds, and 6 assists in tonight's game.

Odom actually had a decent game, as well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 16, 2012, 12:41:35 AM
Quote from: DJ_Tet on February 15, 2012, 11:55:20 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on February 15, 2012, 08:26:43 PM
Sounds like an arena deal has been reached in Seattle. Press conference tomorrow morning at City Hall.

Sacramento? Charlotte? Who we stealin?

Surely you meant New Orleans.

Yeah. It's still weird that the Hornets aren't in Charlotte.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: etiolate on February 16, 2012, 12:52:07 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 15, 2012, 11:25:20 PM
Cousins is fucking hilarious, haven't seen a scarier player since back when Artest was on the half-time cognac. Who the fuck would want to play with him?

A little mean is nothing new to the NBA.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: pilonv1 on February 16, 2012, 01:00:21 AM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on February 16, 2012, 12:41:35 AM
Quote from: DJ_Tet on February 15, 2012, 11:55:20 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on February 15, 2012, 08:26:43 PM
Sounds like an arena deal has been reached in Seattle. Press conference tomorrow morning at City Hall.

Sacramento? Charlotte? Who we stealin?

Surely you meant New Orleans.

Yeah. It's still weird that the Hornets aren't in Charlotte.

Hornets -> Seattle Sonics

Charlotte regain Hornets IP, all Bobcats merchandise is burned and history erased.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: DJ_Tet on February 16, 2012, 05:53:45 AM
As a former Charlotte Hornets fan (since inception) and current Bobcats fan I honestly don't think that's in the works.

There are a lot of new people in Charlotte in the last decade and a lot of current Bobcats fans are against the switch. 

I don't think it will bring back enough 'pissed off' Hornets fans to make it worth while, and the Hornets stuff has been tainted in New Orleans (they tweaked the colors to shitty and the logo.)

They've done studies.  Personally I thought we should have been allowed to keep our history (such as it was) ala Seattle and Cleveland Browns, but the NBA didn't agree. 

So to me, the Hornets era died when they left Charlotte.  Dell Curry is still the leading scorer for the Charlotte Hornets etc.  It's a closed history and I'm ok with that.

You don't punish the fanbase that supported the Bobcats by making all their stuff 'worthless.'  Costs too much money to switch the names and it won't help attendance that much anyway.

LJ, Zo and Muggsy aren't walking through those doors.  The Bobcats have done a better job embracing the Hornets history since Jordan came aboard.  I think the Bob Johnson era ignored the Hornets and that kinda pissed me off. 

Can't pretend like it didn't happen.  Can't really go backwards either though.  But hell, after this season is done the Bobcats name might be so tainted that I'll feel differently  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 16, 2012, 07:50:38 AM
I've taken to calling them the Charlotte Paperbags.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Brehvolution on February 16, 2012, 08:55:46 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2012, 02:11:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxhJvgKNUCI

:rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 16, 2012, 10:58:22 AM
Good article on Allen Iverson:

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2012/1/31/2761217/the-tragedy-of-allen-iverson (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2012/1/31/2761217/the-tragedy-of-allen-iverson)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 16, 2012, 11:47:37 AM
Sad when anybody blows through a lot of money but I was never a fan. Reminds me of that mold of a guy like Mayweather. Somebody who has escaped bad conditions and poverty but never grows up and stops acting like a knucklehead. You could see this one coming from a mile away.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: DJ_Tet on February 16, 2012, 12:28:07 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on February 16, 2012, 07:50:38 AM
I've taken to calling them the Charlotte Paperbags.

The kinda sad thing is they are still trying.  Credit to Silas. Just have no talent and lost their top 3 on top of that.  DJ came back last night and Hendo is supposed to be back soon so hopefully they will win enough to avoid the record.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 16, 2012, 01:05:48 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 16, 2012, 11:47:37 AM
Sad when anybody blows through a lot of money but I was never a fan. Reminds me of that mold of a guy like Mayweather. Somebody who has escaped bad conditions and poverty but never grows up and stops acting like a knucklehead. You could see this one coming from a mile away.

Yup, same goes with Tyson.

He's only 36 years old, and was in pretty good shape a couple years ago. It's likely he could have still been in the league if he was willing to accept that he was no longer the player he once was. Even in Detroit he was unwilling to take that step of maturity, and it's one of the reasons teams won't give him a second chance. I think he could start at PG for some team, and at the very least he could have been a backup making six figures.

Not every guy from the gutter makes it out and stays out, like a Jay-Z or 50 Cent.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: DJ_Tet on February 16, 2012, 02:11:30 PM
Don't forget that Memphis gave him 'that last shot' after he had burned bridges in Denver and Detroit, and he quit on them after 8 games or so.

Sucks to hear he's broke but he's not the first one and won't be the last one.  Maybe he can go hang out with TO and Antoine Walker.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: pilonv1 on February 16, 2012, 05:52:48 PM
Quote from: DJ_Tet on February 16, 2012, 05:53:45 AM
But hell, after this season is done the Bobcats name might be so tainted that I'll feel differently  :lol

That was my reasoning. Make people forget everything about this season, start new. I'm not there so I can't tell how people feel but I think it would be nice to have it back the way it was.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 16, 2012, 07:20:40 PM
Quote from: DJ_Tet on February 16, 2012, 02:11:30 PM
Don't forget that Memphis gave him 'that last shot' after he had burned bridges in Denver and Detroit, and he quit on them after 8 games or so.

Sucks to hear he's broke but he's not the first one and won't be the last one.  Maybe he can go hang out with TO and Antoine Walker.

iirc Memphis was a decent team that year right? Really shows what his priorities are

The TO thing...lol. Dude had a good season just two years ago but literally burned every bridge imaginable in the NFL. Fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 16, 2012, 10:45:23 PM
Quote
Jeremy Lin will play in the Rising Stars Challenge after all.
The Knicks point guard was added Thursday to the roster of players for the Feb. 24 game, just before Shaquille O'Neal and Charles Barkley began drafting for their teams.
Lin's breakout came after the pool of 18 players was selected, and the NBA was pressured to add him after he scored 136 points in his first five starts, most by an NBA player since the merger with the ABA in 1976-77.

Beyond his strong play, there has been enormous interest in Lin because he was undrafted out of Harvard and is the first American-born NBA player of Chinese or Taiwanese descent. Other NBA players have praised his feats on Twitter, and even President Barack Obama is a fan.
But Commissioner David Stern had told USA Today that Lin would not receive a special invite to play in the game involving rookies and second-year players.

Barkley praised the addition, saying it was "really stupid the NBA denied him in the beginning."
O'Neal took Lin with his third pick after starting with the Clippers' Blake Griffin. Barkley took Cleveland's Kyrie Irving at No. 2.
Miami's Norris Cole also was added to make 20 eligible players.
The game formerly matched rookies against second-year players, but the NBA changed the format this season so the teams would be mixed. O'Neal and Barkley served as general managers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 16, 2012, 10:51:09 PM
Really love the idea of a draft. Been saying for some time that the actual game should be done playground-style, with Kobe and LeBron (or whoever the big dogs are at the time) picking live, regardless of Conference ('cause really - who gives a shit).

The stories and feuds this would create would be so awesome. And it would be like how real people actually play basketball!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: pilonv1 on February 17, 2012, 04:47:17 AM
NHL does a draft for their all star game, with each team getting a captain who picks.

Norris Cole making it over Klay Thompson is stupid.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Beezy on February 17, 2012, 10:34:46 AM
JR Smith to the Knicks
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 17, 2012, 11:32:37 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2_X7hJkWSs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 17, 2012, 11:42:29 AM
Quote from: pilonv1 on February 17, 2012, 04:47:17 AM
NHL does a draft for their all star game, with each team getting a captain who picks.

Only good part of the draft:
(http://herhockeyblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Kessel-Ovie.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 17, 2012, 12:08:16 PM
I went back and watched the first Linsanity Game on LP tonight for kicks. Really kind of crazy in hindsight. It really did blindside everyone. He didn't really dominate until the 4th but his impact was immediate and broad. The first time Deron Williams isolated against Lin, the announcer started to say 'Jeremy Lin doesn't stand a chance against Williams here...' before Lin cut off D-Will's drive totally and forced him into a jumper with a hand in his face :lol The announcer took it straight back. By the 4th, the 'Jeremy' chants had started and he basically owned MSG like I haven't seen from a Knick since...Spreewell?

Also, I was kinda surprised that Melo was playing (although he sucked). All this talk of oh noes how will this great passing PG manage to co-exist with this great multidimensional scorer seemed founded on the fact that they had never played together...maybe everyone just forgot.

Also, Tyson Chandler. Still awesome. The more the Knicks fast-break, the more effective he will be too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 17, 2012, 06:25:40 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BHqw-h2Rus

Jesus wins again!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 17, 2012, 06:55:13 PM
The Knicks sked is going to get a lot tougher - be prepared for a wicked Melo backlash when they start losing games again. Hollinger points out that they've been winning 'cause of improved defense, which will take a hit when Melo comes back (unless he finally starts trying, of course - there's no reason he should be that bad. But if he didn't motivated in the playoffs, he's not going to try against the Hornets in February)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Beezy on February 17, 2012, 07:12:07 PM
If Amare coming back didn't fuck up their defense, then I doubt Melo's return will.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 17, 2012, 08:34:40 PM
Lin 5 first quarter turnovers. He's really got to get that under control. That's simply something people like Nash and CP3 don't do. He gets out of control lots of times trying to create.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: DJ_Tet on February 17, 2012, 08:42:48 PM
Quote from: Beezy on February 17, 2012, 07:12:07 PM
If Amare coming back didn't fuck up their defense, then I doubt Melo's return will.

It's not that Melo is worse at D than Amare but that it's easier to cover for 1 or 2 defensive liabilities than it will be to cover for 3 (Lin included in that.)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 17, 2012, 09:24:30 PM
Nothing cures a losing streak like the Toronto Raptors.

edit:
On a related note, how has Rasual Butler had such a long career.* In his ten-year career, he hasn't had a single season in which his PER was at 15 (league average) or above. It's 10.4 overall and around 5 for this season.

*In before defense and three-point shooting.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 17, 2012, 09:35:23 PM
Toronto has a basketball team now? Well good for them!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 17, 2012, 09:36:09 PM

Not a professional team. But they have a team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 17, 2012, 09:39:05 PM
Lin has nine turnovers? We've found a weakness* in his armor.

*racists.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: BlueTsunami on February 17, 2012, 10:43:31 PM
Reminded of the Eastbound and Down speech

"I was your savior. I was your knight in shining armour. In each of you, were the chinks upon my armour. Each of you were the chinks. You all were the chinks! Remember me, my chinks..."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: DJ_Tet on February 17, 2012, 10:49:16 PM
Toronto  :lol

People who think the Bobcats are the worst team to ever exist in the NBA  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 17, 2012, 11:19:24 PM
The cream is starting to rise to the top.

Miami is looking scary good at the moment. Lebron is having another crazy MVP season. Shooting 54%.

And if we cut off the first 5 games of the season Dallas is a fairly solid 19-7.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 17, 2012, 11:46:52 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 17, 2012, 11:19:24 PM
And if we cut off the first 5 games of the season Dallas is a fairly solid 19-7.

Dallas has looked pretty good recently, especially with a revolving door of injured players. One of the strongest defenses in the West, too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 18, 2012, 04:35:05 AM
Spurs are better too, not that anyone cares or notices.

I assume Dallas will be very tough by playoff time. Dirk is improving but man, that 5-6 month long party clearly took a lot out of him
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: BlueTsunami on February 18, 2012, 09:53:20 AM
Oh my God....


(http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/988537/Al62eDPCQAEBwJF.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 18, 2012, 09:57:13 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 17, 2012, 11:19:24 PM
And if we cut off the first 5 games of the season Dallas is a fairly solid 19-7.

I believed all along.  :spin

Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 18, 2012, 04:35:05 AM
Dirk is improving but man, that 5-6 month long party clearly took a lot out of him

He did play in the Euros* on a team with Chris Kaman and a bunch of other Germans too tall to play soccer. That should  turn someone off basketball more than playing with Josh Howard.

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*I thought he didn't play well, but I guess it's all relative: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirk_Nowitzki#International_career His performance from the 2001 Euros to the 2008 Olympic qualifiers was pretty sick (note: 40-minute games). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirk_Nowitzki#International_statistics

Not as sick as his career playoff numbers though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirk_Nowitzki#Playoffs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 18, 2012, 11:22:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4wuQ_gp4yY
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: etiolate on February 19, 2012, 12:42:22 AM
Isn't that more the inbounders fault for not waiting for Paul to be in the backcourt before making the pass?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 19, 2012, 01:21:50 PM
Quote from: etiolate on February 19, 2012, 12:42:22 AM
Isn't that more the inbounders fault for not waiting for Paul to be in the backcourt before making the pass?

It kinda was.


That was a good game last night.


Also JR smith is playing for the knicks today.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 19, 2012, 01:22:32 PM
Send Smith's ass back to China.  :maf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 19, 2012, 01:34:03 PM
Do they even call travels anymore.
Title: Dirk squashes Linsanity
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 19, 2012, 02:31:51 PM
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmf56v5vgM1qf0deho1_r3_500.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 19, 2012, 02:39:06 PM
Each games that goes on they are starting to figure out Lin more and more. Defense I mean. Especially on how he penetrates.


edit: Then he makes two great drives. lol.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 19, 2012, 02:52:08 PM
Linsanity is back  :(

Nowitzki: +22   
Lamar Odom: -11

In fairness, that was a great pass by Odom to end the quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 19, 2012, 02:52:24 PM
Good game. Close going into the 4th.

Lin
22 points (FG 9-17)
8 assists
3 steals
4 turnovers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 19, 2012, 02:53:36 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on February 19, 2012, 02:52:08 PM
Linsanity is back  :(

Nowitzki: +22   
Lamar Odom: -11

In fairness, that was a great pass by Odom to end the quarter.

Odom is a lost cause this season. Better to just look towards next year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: T-Short on February 19, 2012, 02:56:00 PM
Tied! ahuahuahua Odom with the airball
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 19, 2012, 03:00:12 PM
Can Odom suck any harder? Let's find out!

Edit: yep, he can
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 19, 2012, 03:06:11 PM
Holy Shit Novak.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 19, 2012, 03:08:00 PM
Whatever bad you can say about the knicks (and there is a lot to say on defense) they are now fun to watch. When Anthony comes back they should be a beast on offense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 19, 2012, 03:23:46 PM
http://www.hulu.com/watch/331272/saturday-night-live-cold-opening-linsanity-postgame
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 19, 2012, 03:31:30 PM
Lin

28 points
14 assists
5 steals

And I'm going to shut up about the turnovers. I mean yeah its a problem and he needs to work on it in the offseason   with some of his decision making but being brand new. Playing the large number of minutes he does. And the pressure he creates. He brings far more to the table than he takes away with it on the turnovers. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: T-Short on February 19, 2012, 03:32:12 PM
:bow
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 19, 2012, 03:33:01 PM
Linning > Tebowing.  :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Mandark on February 19, 2012, 03:37:52 PM
What a rough time you have rooting for the defending champions, Malek.  I feel your pain.

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 19, 2012, 03:48:40 PM
The positive thing about being a Wizards fan is that your team can't really disappoint you.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: T-Short on February 19, 2012, 03:50:16 PM
:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 19, 2012, 03:55:10 PM
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dbpJDU8ttYk/T0EMmItm-qI/AAAAAAAAJaM/vSxo55dp1hc/s400/linside%2Bof%2Bme.jpg)

She's being a bit optimistic if she thinks he can break all Asian stereotypes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 19, 2012, 04:03:16 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on February 19, 2012, 03:55:10 PM
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dbpJDU8ttYk/T0EMmItm-qI/AAAAAAAAJaM/vSxo55dp1hc/s400/linside%2Bof%2Bme.jpg)

She's being a bit optimistic if she thinks he can break all Asian stereotypes.

I'm on the bandwagon but I ain't watching that pixel censored crap. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 19, 2012, 05:52:19 PM
Lebron putting on another monster performance.  He's determined to get everyone to STFU.  I hope it continues. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 19, 2012, 06:04:33 PM
I try to catch a least a piece of nearly all Miami games and this is the best they've played over a stretch recently to me since the big three came there. I just hope they aren't peaking too early.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 19, 2012, 09:27:06 PM
I watched the Miami game, first game I've watched in some time. Jesus christ is JVG always that much of a douche? I remember liking his commentary in the past but his rants were unbearable. I get that he's an oldschool fundamentals guy, but come on. First he complained about people not playing due to minor injuries, allegedly not taking seasons seriously. Then he jumped on the idiotic LeBron/Cavs comments media bs train. jesus

also fuuuck, so many political ads
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Beezy on February 19, 2012, 10:47:02 PM
Yeah, he can be like that. I love him when he's joking on someone. The serious business though, I'd rather not hear it during a game.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot:

 :elephant KNICKS :elephant
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 19, 2012, 11:18:20 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on February 19, 2012, 10:48:31 PM
It would be a crime if Durant didn't win the MVP this year.

Amazingly he may not win it with the year Lebron is having although Durant is having a monster season himself. He's shooting 50%. Easily his career high and pretty great for a guy who takes as many outside shots as he does. Also career high in rebounds and assists for him.


Tony Parker is quietly having a great season too. 19 points a game. Career high in assists. FG% is a little down for him but heck he's a 6'2" point guard and he's had to carry the load as Ginobili has missed most of the season and the spurs still have a great record. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 19, 2012, 11:25:22 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 19, 2012, 03:31:30 PM
Lin

28 points
14 assists
5 steals

And I'm going to shut up about the turnovers. I mean yeah its a problem and he needs to work on it in the offseason   with some of his decision making but being brand new. Playing the large number of minutes he does. And the pressure he creates. He brings far more to the table than he takes away with it on the turnovers. 

Totally agree. His usage rate is over EIGHTY PERCENT and he's on his 8th start. Yeah, there are going to be turnovers galore. If it was Tyson Chandler turning it over 7 times, it would be cause for complaint.

LeBron is better than Durant this year, no question. Durant's all-around game is amazing though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 19, 2012, 11:27:27 PM
The MVP should be Lin because he's twice as good as Nash ever was.

The boring answer is that it should be James.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 19, 2012, 11:28:11 PM
Quote from: Beezy on February 19, 2012, 10:47:02 PM
Yeah, he can be like that. I love him when he's joking on someone. The serious business though, I'd rather not hear it during a game.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot:

 :elephant KNICKS :elephant

I think he misses Mark Jackson goofing on him. 3 man teams should be the norm.

Speaking of announcing teams, it was great to hear Hubie call the Knicks-Dallas game. He was cackling like a maniac when Lin made that last-second 3 after being trapped hard by Marion and Dirk. Hubie is very high on my 'would go for a beer' list
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 19, 2012, 11:29:15 PM
Hubie Brown on color and Marv Albert on pbp would give me boners. No lie.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 19, 2012, 11:31:43 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 19, 2012, 05:52:19 PM
Lebron putting on another monster performance.  He's determined to get everyone to STFU.  I hope it continues. 

minor clarification: He's trying to get everyone talking about HIM. The sheer egotism of his Cleveland comments were just unreal. He must be insufferable to deal with off court.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 19, 2012, 11:33:24 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 19, 2012, 11:29:15 PM
Hubie Brown on color and Marv Albert on pbp would give me boners. No lie.

Yeah, no kidding. I just love how engaged with the game Hubie still is, unlike so many of these guys who are just doing it because they can't do anything else after retiring.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 19, 2012, 11:34:46 PM
Does anyone else finally feel like the season is ON? Overall, the quality of play has come back up to what I was seeing last year, it feels like. My interest is rising generally, even apart from Linsanity...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 19, 2012, 11:36:35 PM
Moving on to the Miami game - god, Miami fans suck compared to the way MSG has been rockin'. 4 All Stars on the court and you could hear a pin drop in the 1st quarter
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 19, 2012, 11:38:02 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 19, 2012, 11:34:46 PM
Does anyone else finally feel like the season is ON? Overall, the quality of play has come back up to what I was seeing last year, it feels like. My interest is rising generally, even apart from Linsanity...

Its gotten better as the season has gone on. It started really sloppy. I mean look at the mavs and certain other teams that you knew should be playoff teams but got off to really shitty starts. I think teams are also being smart. Like how Miami rested Wade. The Mavs rested Dirk. There is going to be more of that in the second half. Plus I think you just have some individual players having monster seasons.


http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fhollinger%2fstatistics

Hell Lin is the 12th best player using PER and that's with some games mixed in where he wasn't a starter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: DJ_Tet on February 19, 2012, 11:38:41 PM
Miami has always had shitty fans. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 19, 2012, 11:49:08 PM
The other thing that has happened is that the Knicks have become the Heat of last year for me at least on an interest level. A team I must watch. I barely bothered watching the knicks this year because they were fucking awful and now I can't miss a freaking game because its so exciting. Every night I'm watching them now.

Hell I can't wait for tomorrow night and Carmelo coming back. That team has JR Smith, Carmelo Anthony, and the soon to be added Baron Davis. Three of the biggest ball hogs of all time. And they are going to sometimes be on the floor all at the same time! How could you not want to watch that.  :)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 19, 2012, 11:49:36 PM
When Lin starts about 20 games, we'll see Prof Hollinger go to town on it, I think. It's pointless for him to do so now. That said, the stats are absurd. He has lead the league in scoring since his first start!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 19, 2012, 11:50:22 PM
Quote from: DJ_Tet on February 19, 2012, 11:38:41 PM
Miami has always had shitty fans. 

I know but try watching those two games back to back. The drop-off is just shocking, considering what the Heat fans are seeing on the court.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 19, 2012, 11:54:24 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 19, 2012, 11:49:08 PM
The other thing that has happened is that the Knicks have become the Heat of last year for me at least on an interest level. A team I must watch. I barely bothered watching the knicks this year because they were fucking awful and now I can't miss a freaking game because its so exciting. Every night I'm watching them now.

Hell I can't wait for tomorrow night and Carmelo coming back. That team has JR Smith, Carmelo Anthony, and the soon to be added Baron Davis. Three of the biggest ball hogs of all time. And they are going to sometimes be on the floor all at the same time! How could you not want to watch that.  :)

Baron is going to get a bunch of backup PG minutes for sure, and he's at his best in front of a revved-up crowd. It just depends on how much his body has left (probably quite a bit given how much he has coasted throughout his career).

I said on twitter earlier that JR shoots it like he stole it - then again, he has been trained to do so by Melo. Only Linsanity can keep it out of their hands! In theory though, if they stick to their spots and trust Lin to get them the ball, they could be absolutely deadly. The flipside is that you trade offense for defense, and you know which one D'Antoni will run with.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 20, 2012, 12:14:23 AM
Anyone read The Wages of Wins and know what a win produced or WP48 is?

After some initial skepticism, I'm inclined to believe that it's a better metric than Hollinger's Per.


http://www.thenbageek.com/faq

http://www.thenbageek.com/players

http://wagesofwins.com/faq/

Using WP48, Durant is not even close to being in the conversation for being MVP.  He's basically twice as good as an average player as his position.  His overall wins produced is still pretty good but that's more due to high minutes. 



Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 19, 2012, 11:31:43 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 19, 2012, 05:52:19 PM
Lebron putting on another monster performance.  He's determined to get everyone to STFU.  I hope it continues. 

minor clarification: He's trying to get everyone talking about HIM. The sheer egotism of his Cleveland comments were just unreal. He must be insufferable to deal with off court.

Really?  I didn't really pay attention as I thought it was just another smear job by the media.  Lebron really should learn to just keep quiet when being goaded into saying something stupid. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 20, 2012, 12:16:11 AM
Wins produced for the last decade:

http://wagesofwins.com/wins-produced/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Mandark on February 20, 2012, 12:19:50 AM
Wages of Wins is Dave Berri, right?  I remember reading about some of his metrics (maybe WP48) and the reasoning behind the weighting seemed pretty flawed in a couple instances.  I get the sense that he's not really part of the basketball stat geek discussion, but has his own independent sideline going.

The trick in basketball right now is that tools like PER are severely limited by the stats traditionally kept and made available by the league, while better measures would rely on more in-depth stuff.  Which is being tracked now, but the information is hoarded by teams and stat services to gain a competitive advantage.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 20, 2012, 12:26:58 AM
Their main criticism of PER is that players are rewarded for shooting more.  For example, a 40% shooter would have a significantly higher PER if he maintains the same accuracy while taking 5 more shots. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 20, 2012, 12:39:46 AM
WP48 favors traditional bigs and discounts volume scoring and overrates efficiency by low volume scorers who are unable to create anything. Is Tyson Chandler going to shoot anywhere near 70% if he takes 20 shots?

09/10
(http://dberri.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/top20alternatives2009-10.png)
09-10
Where's Bryant or Dirk? Wallace, Camby, Smith, Lee, Boozer, Iguodala, Randolph, Horford, and Lamar fucking Odom create more wins? (this isn't much of an argument--just because it doesn't pass a common-sense sniff-test doesn't mean it's wrong).

Anyway, I can't imagine any formula showing anything other than James smashing the competition.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: DJ_Tet on February 20, 2012, 12:44:08 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 19, 2012, 11:50:22 PM
Quote from: DJ_Tet on February 19, 2012, 11:38:41 PM
Miami has always had shitty fans. 

I know but try watching those two games back to back. The drop-off is just shocking, considering what the Heat fans are seeing on the court.

It's not shocking if you know that Miami has always had shitty fans.  Last year didn't change that, winning a championship didn't change that, nothing will apparently change that.

*Bitter Charlotte fan who saw his team get ripped away after leading the league in attendance for a decade
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 20, 2012, 12:52:12 AM
I look at all those statistics as just a window into evaluation. I think all of them have their flaws including PER. I think it is a useful shorthand to evaluate certain things. Basketball is a harder sport to evaluate with that stuff because I really do think it involves chemistry and other hard to inspect intangibles. It's not like baseball where most of the dynamics are 1 on 1 matchups and more easily lend themselves to those type of statistical breakdowns.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Himu on February 20, 2012, 12:55:59 AM
Quote from: DJ_Tet on February 20, 2012, 12:44:08 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 19, 2012, 11:50:22 PM
Quote from: DJ_Tet on February 19, 2012, 11:38:41 PM
Miami has always had shitty fans. 

I know but try watching those two games back to back. The drop-off is just shocking, considering what the Heat fans are seeing on the court.

It's not shocking if you know that Miami has always had shitty fans.  Last year didn't change that, winning a championship didn't change that, nothing will apparently change that.

*Bitter Charlotte fan who saw his team get ripped away after leading the league in attendance for a decade

at least the Zo years were good to you. I guess.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 20, 2012, 01:00:22 AM
Sure, and when all the stats say LeBron is way ahead of Durant, you can use that to support what your eyes tell you. My bottom line is always - I've got first pick in a one-and-done tournament, and can pick from all players in the NBA. Do I pick LeBron ahead of Durant like the stats say? Hell yes. That can be supported by both the stats, basketball reasons (match-ups, the various things each brings to the table or takes away) and what your own eyes tell you.

(OK, the stats were wrong about Lin before Linsanity kicked off! But over time, they've corrected, and will continue to do so I trust. Hollinger was actually relatively high on him before the season...)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: DJ_Tet on February 20, 2012, 01:09:23 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on February 20, 2012, 12:55:59 AM
Quote from: DJ_Tet on February 20, 2012, 12:44:08 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 19, 2012, 11:50:22 PM
Quote from: DJ_Tet on February 19, 2012, 11:38:41 PM
Miami has always had shitty fans. 

I know but try watching those two games back to back. The drop-off is just shocking, considering what the Heat fans are seeing on the court.

It's not shocking if you know that Miami has always had shitty fans.  Last year didn't change that, winning a championship didn't change that, nothing will apparently change that.

*Bitter Charlotte fan who saw his team get ripped away after leading the league in attendance for a decade

at least the Zo years were good to you. I guess.

Charlotte had a lot of good teams in the regular season, we had finished .500 or better for 8 straight years before they moved to NO, despite not being able to keep a solid roster together for more than 3 years at a time.

Zo made the biggest shot in Charlotte Hornets history.  But he also bitched his way out of town, so fuck Zo and everyone who looks like him.

Hated Miami just cause they were expansion brothers but Zo going there took the hate to a whole other level.

<---hated Miami way before it was cool
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 20, 2012, 01:12:55 AM

Quote from: Flannel Boy on February 20, 2012, 12:39:46 AM
WP48 favors traditional bigs and discounts volume scoring and overrates efficiency by low volume scorers who are unable to create anything. Is Tyson Chandler going to shoot anywhere near 70% if he takes 20 shots?


http://tinyurl.com/7ko7h6b

Book actually addresses how bigs are overvalued by this formula. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 20, 2012, 01:23:11 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on February 20, 2012, 01:09:10 AM
I pick Durant in that hypothetical tournament game.  :)

You're gonna have to explain your reasoning if you want people to take you seriously. I understand that you don't like LeBron but to not pick him, you'd have to not like winning.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 20, 2012, 01:25:48 AM
Smooth, I read a devastating takedown of Dave Berri's stuff somewhere but damned if I can remember where. I almost never see his stuff referenced seriously by other stat geeks though.  It sounds fine in theory but I think it produces some really weird results.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 20, 2012, 01:30:36 AM
http://freedarko.blogspot.com/2007/01/dave-berris-dismal-science.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 20, 2012, 01:40:54 AM
I think Lebron is having an amazing MVP like season and he would be the first pick of anybody in the league if I was building a team.

That being said I like most people want to see where his head goes when he's in the conference finals or the finals and the pressure is on. That's where the question marks are as always. He's run up amazing seasons before. What he hasn't done is put it all together into a title run. If it doesn't happen this year it will never happen.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 20, 2012, 01:51:28 AM
I agree that he gets visibly tight in the last 2 mins of close games a fair bit, but it's not like they matter any more than any other 2 minutes of the game. It's just when everyone is paying attention.

Not hearing anything to suggest that Durant is better. I'm a huge fan but come on, he struggled against Dallas just as bad as LeBron did.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: pilonv1 on February 20, 2012, 06:47:10 AM
Anything is better than PER.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: benjipwns on February 20, 2012, 08:40:00 AM
As mentioned, the largest problem with WP is that it has no accounting of possession usage.

Look at this hypothetical team:
PlayerMPGWP48Wins
Chuck Hayes36.0.20612.7
Kris Humphries36.0.25415.6
Shane Battier36.0.18611.4
Landry Fields36.0.23714.6
Beno Udrih36.0.1599.8
Andrea Bargnani24.0-0.13-5.2
Gilbert Arenas24.0-0.05-1.9
Darko Milicic12.0-0.05-1.1
Total Wins55.9
It's difficult to accept a projection that a team with that rotation would go 56-26.

My little projection tool seems to have a more plausable result (2008-09 stats and used two replacement players):
PlayerMPGPPGRPGAPGW
hayes,chuck36.34.210.61.41.5
humphries,kris36.317.19.61.33.6
battier,shane36.38.55.12.52.3
brewer,ronnie36.317.04.22.53.3
udrih,beno36.314.03.55.82.4
bargnani,andrea24.213.04.11.01.9
davis,baron24.211.42.65.81.1
milicic,darko12.14.33.10.40.9
Total Wins16.9
(Using 2009-10 for Battier and Hayes from the first non-Yao year moves them up to 24-58.)

Even using the same WP data for 2008-09 finds a more optimistic result for the team:
PlayerMPGWP48Wins
Chuck Hayes36.0.1519.3
Kris Humphries36.0.1187.3
Shane Battier36.0.19011.7
Ronnie Brewer36.0.18611.4
Beno Udrih36.0.0432.6
Andrea Bargnani24.00.000.1
Baron Davis24.0-0.00-0.1
Darko Milicic12.00.061.2
Total Wins43.5

Plus when they changed the formula (again) they deleted all the old stuff because it was "no longer valid." Which means all of Berri's old predictions and projection tables from 2005-2011 are gone from what I can tell.

Here's a chart of various predictions compared to the actual results: http://weaksideawareness.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/nba-predictions-accuracy-2010-111.pdf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Rman on February 20, 2012, 09:13:21 AM
Enjoyed the Knick game.  Lin is something else.  Nice to see Knicks fans excited again.  The Orlando/Miami game was a snoozefest.  Man, Orlando just doesn't have any heart in them anymore.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 20, 2012, 10:00:43 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 20, 2012, 01:30:36 AM
http://freedarko.blogspot.com/2007/01/dave-berris-dismal-science.html

Quote
The problem of underinvestment is further compounded once we consider that players themselves can, at any given moment, choose between scoring (risky) and non-scoring (risk-less) production. Thus, rather than take a high-percentage field-goal attempt, a player may opt for a potential assist (WS = +.5), or focus on grabbing an offensive rebound (WS = +1). The problem here is analogous to the one identified by economist Joseph Stiglitz in his analysis of the sharecropping system. Stiglitz argues that in situations where workers can choose between more- and less-risky farming techniques, there will arise “a conflict of interest between the landlord and workers. At any specified share contract, the landlord wants only to have the worker choose whatever technique or crop maximizes expected output; the worker is willing at the margin to sacrifice some mean output for a reduction of risk”. For above-average scorers, shooting will generate more overall career utility than, say, offensive rebounding. Yet offensive rebounding may nevertheless be more attractive since it poses essentially no risk of a loss. If scoring was “priced” on the basis of Win Score, even the most efficient shooters would likely under-produce on offense, choosing instead to maximize other, less-risky forms of production.

Quote
The recognition that scoring is a uniquely risky mode of production, and that determining its “price” is fraught with uncertainty, affords a far more convincing explanation of its disproportionate value and compensation. What first appears as irrational, suboptimal behavior under the orthodox assumptions of neoclassical economics can now be understood as economically rational (if not perfectly efficient) outcomes in situations of uncertainty. Consider the question of why scoring is valued more than possession statistics, even though their marginal effect on wins is the same. Traditional economics tells us that in equilibrium, the price of labor depends on its quality (i.e. marginal productivity): if scoring and rebounding are equally productive activities, their prices should be equivalent. In contrast, Stiglitz and other economists have shown that in situations of uncertainty, quality often depends on price: here, workers with a certain labor capacity will only expend the necessary effort if they are paid an above-market wage. Put simply, the production of points in the NBA – due to the relative uncertainty of success – requires that scorers receive more than the value of their marginal product. Otherwise, players with the capacity to shoot efficiently WOULDN’T TAKE THE RISK OF TRYING TO SCORE.


Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 20, 2012, 10:25:58 AM
It's perfectly fair to compare Kobe Bryant's efficiency with LeBron James'. Both play similar positions (a SF should get some easier baskets), have similar roles (moreso when James was with the Cavs), and take a high-volume of shots. Thus if a formula wants to discount the value of scoring and increase the value of efficiency, to any arbitrary level, neither player is being that unfairly treated. This arbitrariness, however, becomes problematic when comparing players with different roles who take different shots.

On most possessions in the NBA, an offense cannot get an easy basket as the number of high-percentage shot opportunities (e.g. tip-ins, alley-oops, open ten-foot jumpers) is very limited against a professional defense. These opportunities are disproportionately given to low-volume scorers who are unguarded or close to the basket (see: Tyson Chandler).

Since the number of high-efficiency shots is limited, an offense needs players to take the medium- or high-difficulty shots. These shots are disproportionately taken by high-volume scorers (See: Jeremy Lin). Someone has to, for example, take a shot with the shot clock running out 25 feet from the basket while guarded by Shawn Marion.

The net result is that some players take very few shots and most of them are easy baskets while others take a lot of shots and most of them are not at all easy to make.

The same logic, to some degree, applies to turnovers.

 . . . .

I can't touch on the statically methodology or the team adjustments.

. . . .

The player adjustments seem to reflect Berri's own biases. When a player meets or surpasses his expectation for what a player should be, he's rewarded. If he doesn't, he's punished.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Mandark on February 20, 2012, 11:19:30 AM
Yeah, the nature of basketball makes individual player ratings a lot trickier than in baseball.  You don't have the equivalent of a batting order where every player on the floor goes through their chance to take a shot and is personally responsible for the results.

Instead, each shot is the result of interactions of teammates (or in the cases of the Kings, a deliberate choice to not interact with ones' teammates).  So Bill James gets to use "what if a standardized crappy player used this plate appearance?" as his counterfactual, but basketball geeks don't have anything as simple.  A player who can take a high volume of shots and shoots 40% is "better" and probably more valuable than a player who takes fewer shots with the same FG% and TO rates.  But at some point you get diminishing returns from taking away shots from the guys who only dunk or shoot corner threes.  Figuring out that point just from using traditional stats is basically impossible.

But yeah, Dave Berri's kind of a goof.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 20, 2012, 11:43:35 AM
Quote from: BlueTsunami on February 18, 2012, 09:53:20 AM
Oh my God....


(http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/988537/Al62eDPCQAEBwJF.jpg)

The writer responsible for that headline has been fired:

http://www.neontommy.com/news/2012/02/espn-writer-fired-over-racist-jeremy-lin-headline
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 20, 2012, 11:44:22 AM
Quote from: Mandark on February 20, 2012, 11:19:30 AM
But at some point you get diminishing returns from taking away shots from the guys who only dunk or shoot corner threes.

This is true: not all high difficulty shots are necessary. On the other hand, players who take away some shots from teammates also create a lot of easy shots for them (see: Lin and Novak yesterday). The latter probably outweighs the former. Sometimes they do it without even touching the ball (see: Shaq or Duncan).

This Berri stuff happens in hockey even though scoring is so very infrequent. "OMG that gritty player with two goals all season sure plays the game the right way unlike that showboating, cherry-picking Russian with 55."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 20, 2012, 11:45:57 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on February 20, 2012, 11:43:35 AM

The writer responsible for that headline has been fired:

http://www.neontommy.com/news/2012/02/espn-writer-fired-over-racist-jeremy-lin-headline

I eagerly await his complaint letter entitled "ESPN Gypped Me."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 20, 2012, 11:53:32 AM
ESPN is such a niggardly company, always trying to jew down their employees' contracts.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: T-Short on February 20, 2012, 12:00:21 PM
It did seem to be a pretty slanted headline
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 20, 2012, 12:03:31 PM
In reality, he deserved to be fired for yellow-journalism.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: benjipwns on February 20, 2012, 12:08:45 PM
Quote
Federico, 28, said he understands why he was axed. "ESPN did what they had to do," he said.

He said he has used the phrase "at least 100 times" in headlines over the years and thought nothing of it when he slapped it on the Lin story.

Federico called Lin one of his heroes - not just because he's a big Knicks fan, but because he feels a kinship with a fellow "outspoken Christian."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 20, 2012, 12:29:25 PM
Yeah I thought it was an over-reaction. You see that phrase a thousand times in sports journalism. Yes in this case it shouldn't happen but I think ESPN is just trying to save face. Why don't they work on the rest of their shitty journalism.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: DJ_Tet on February 20, 2012, 01:20:29 PM
What Whitlock said was 1000x more offensive, especially given his penchant for screaming about perceived racism.  It showed a true understanding into what he sees and what he doesn't.

But he didn't get fired because he actually has some talent. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 20, 2012, 05:00:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2YcXIclonw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77-01ifHddM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMJ2urnIFBg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xM8DWlz24A
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 20, 2012, 07:06:43 PM
Watched the Thunder - Nuggets game late last night - worth staying up for. Good old fashioned barn-burner! The Ibaka block where he reached out to his right mid-air to flick the ball away was amazing, no idea how he got to that cleanly. 

D-Will presumably will be out for blood against Lin tonight....
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 20, 2012, 07:13:27 PM
This should be obvious but anyway: 'Chink in the armour' is inoffensive applied to a non-Asian.  It is doubly offensive when applied to Lin, because he is Taiwanese-American, since it both applies a racial epithet to him, AND implies that Taiwan is part of China. If you have any Taiwanese-American friends who know two shits about their country or its politics, just try calling them a Chink and see what happens. I bet it's not pretty.

If we're supposed to believe that the headline was not actually aimed at Lin, then :lol I saw a gazillion variations on that on twitter that day, all tagged #linsanity
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 20, 2012, 07:17:38 PM
I don't think anyone thinks that calling people chinks is okay. I don't know this writer but what I have a hard time believing is that he is deliberating slipping in racist puns into his headlines for lulz. I think retracting the headline and apologizing is enough because I can see as a reasonable person how such a slip up can occur.

I think what's more likely is indeed lazy writing and using cliche headlines and catchphrases. Maybe they should work on fixing that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: etiolate on February 20, 2012, 07:24:17 PM
I just wish people got fired for being shitty writers and absolute twats at the same rate they did for racial twattery.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 20, 2012, 07:25:08 PM
A guy was fired at my company for using 'WTF' in a headline that never even reached publication stage recently. Reputation is far more valuable than a single employee. I'd have fired that guy in a cocaine heartbeat.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 20, 2012, 07:26:36 PM
Quote from: etiolate on February 20, 2012, 07:24:17 PM
I just wish people got fired for being shitty writers and absolute twats at the same rate they did for racial twattery.

So much of the ESPN stuff is sub-literate. It's hard to imagine it gets edited at all. Most of it seems to be just thrown up there like a blog post now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Mandark on February 20, 2012, 07:30:47 PM
From the company's standpoint it probably doesn't matter whether it was deliberate.  If your job is writing headlines, then avoiding stupidly predictable controversies has to be considered a fairly important skill.

Anyway, how great would it be if Amare's knees held up enough that he could go back to being STAT and Carmelo's able to flourish?  Throw in a couple decent bench players from free agency or the draft, and the next couple years the Knicks might throw a scare into the Heat and Bulls.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 20, 2012, 07:37:27 PM
Watching Amare yesterday depressed me all over again. Get offensive rebound, go back down, try to get fouled, fail to complete the play...ugh. In Phoenix he'd have taken off from 10 feet out and dunked that shit on the first bounce.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 20, 2012, 07:38:48 PM
I think he's basically going to be late-period Karl Malone from now on. If he's included in the offense in the right way (i.e. pick and roll with Lin), he can be really effective. If not, he's going to struggle to get anything by himself.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Mandark on February 20, 2012, 07:40:10 PM
 :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 20, 2012, 07:47:52 PM
Well, that's still a pretty solid 3rd option, no? He's so invisible lately that it's hard to imagine him being a 1st option again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Mandark on February 20, 2012, 07:54:56 PM
Yeah, he could still be really valuable in an offense that uses the pick and roll heavily.  But it's always a little sad to see a player known for their athleticism lose that part of their game, especially if that time arrives sooner because of injury.

There's still fun in watching someone transform into the Savvy Veteran, but dammit I want my Amare dunking on people and stealing highlight time from Blake Griffin.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 20, 2012, 07:57:24 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 20, 2012, 07:38:48 PM
I think he's basically going to be late-period Karl Malone from now on.

He wishes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: etiolate on February 20, 2012, 07:58:26 PM
post-surgery Webber?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 20, 2012, 07:59:31 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 20, 2012, 07:54:56 PM
Yeah, he could still be really valuable in an offense that uses the pick and roll heavily.  But it's always a little sad to see a player known for their athleticism lose that part of their game, especially if that time arrives sooner because of injury.

There's still fun in watching someone transform into the Savvy Veteran, but dammit I want my Amare dunking on people and stealing highlight time from Blake Griffin.

Absolutely. But after 2 major knee surgeries, it's amazing he can even do what he does....
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 20, 2012, 08:03:53 PM
Ugh, leave Chandler in the game and let him foul out if need be. I hate when coaches deliberately disrupt their whole game / substitution pattern 'cause of a few fouls early.

On the other hand....Novakaine!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: benjipwns on February 20, 2012, 08:36:42 PM
A Larry Brown special!

"What do you mean you're our best player and this is a close game, you have two fouls, that means you're sitting until the second half!"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 20, 2012, 08:43:30 PM
This happened recently with Chris Paul and one of the stat-heads tweeted that CP has fouled out of 0.3% of his career games to date. OK, Chandler is more foul-prone than CP but there is still nothing to suggest that the 4th quarter is any different than the 1st quarter in terms of importance. It's just one of the few areas in which coaches can directly impact the game, so they tend to do it. Despite the example of say, Phil Jackson.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: benjipwns on February 20, 2012, 08:48:17 PM
Oden had microfracture surgery again due to additional damage: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AlPhbW47GMoJd0iswB_72tC8vLYF?slug=ap-trailblazers-oden
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 20, 2012, 08:56:35 PM
I think his goal is to keep having knee surgeries til his legs are the same length
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 20, 2012, 09:06:42 PM
Dirk has 17 points and ten boards with 3 minutes left in the first half.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 20, 2012, 09:11:12 PM
deep down, you know you are the only one who cares
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 20, 2012, 09:12:13 PM
Not that Dirk is not interesting. But we have Baron Davis, Melo, Amare and JR Smith playing at the same time here
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 20, 2012, 09:18:41 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 20, 2012, 08:48:17 PM
Oden had microfracture surgery again due to additional damage: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AlPhbW47GMoJd0iswB_72tC8vLYF?slug=ap-trailblazers-oden

wow  :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 20, 2012, 09:32:55 PM
D-Will putting a hurtin' on the Knicks as predicted
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 20, 2012, 09:39:40 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 20, 2012, 08:48:17 PM
Oden had microfracture surgery again due to additional damage: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AlPhbW47GMoJd0iswB_72tC8vLYF?slug=ap-trailblazers-oden

Mr. Glass

Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 20, 2012, 09:11:12 PM
deep down, you know you are the only one who cares

I care.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 20, 2012, 10:16:32 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 20, 2012, 09:32:55 PM
D-Will putting a hurtin' on the Knicks as predicted

shit was impressive
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 20, 2012, 10:18:13 PM
3rd game in 3 nights and suddenly he perks up!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 20, 2012, 10:27:47 PM
Lin's line wasn't even all that bad: 21 points (ok 7-18 FG isn't great), 9 assists, 7 rebounds, 4 steals, 3 turnovers(!)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 20, 2012, 10:32:34 PM
didn't have much to do with Lin, I think - If D-Will shoots like that from 3, they're beating more-or-less anybody. Blame Chandler's dumb fouls and the tech, Amare (3 boards ffs) etc before blaming Melo or Lin I say...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 20, 2012, 10:34:04 PM
on to Wolves - Nuggets. Man, the Nuggets look TIRED after that tough loss to OKC. Any other good games tonight? Clippers - GSW looks promising.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 20, 2012, 10:54:45 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 20, 2012, 10:32:34 PM
didn't have much to do with Lin, I think - If D-Will shoots like that from 3, they're beating more-or-less anybody. Blame Chandler's dumb fouls and the tech, Amare (3 boards ffs) etc before blaming Melo or Lin I say...

well I do think Melo was off, but I think saying that for his first game back is different than saying OH MY GOD HE'S RUINED EVERYTHING

but yeah Lin had more than twice as many rebounds as Amare lmao
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Beezy on February 20, 2012, 11:10:51 PM
Humphries will get booed in the Garden for the rest of his career.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 20, 2012, 11:12:36 PM
Quote from: Beezy on February 20, 2012, 11:10:51 PM
Humphries will get booed in the Garden for the rest of his career.

what happened
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 20, 2012, 11:19:04 PM
he was nasty to a Kardashian or something
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 20, 2012, 11:27:54 PM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on February 20, 2012, 10:54:45 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 20, 2012, 10:32:34 PM
didn't have much to do with Lin, I think - If D-Will shoots like that from 3, they're beating more-or-less anybody. Blame Chandler's dumb fouls and the tech, Amare (3 boards ffs) etc before blaming Melo or Lin I say...

well I do think Melo was off, but I think saying that for his first game back is different than saying OH MY GOD HE'S RUINED EVERYTHING

but yeah Lin had more than twice as many rebounds as Amare lmao

that's fair. I mean, we all know that backlash is coming but like linsanity, it's going to take 5-10 games to make any sense out of it, with all these new inputs. If everything breaks right for the Knicks and synergies (will resist the awful pun) emerge, they're suddenly pretty fuckin' deep. We know who the starters will be, but Baron and JR scoring off the bench with Jeffries and Chandler defending, Novak slamming threes if JR is hurting you...that's a group you could go to war with I think. At the least, they shouldn't be facing the same hideous drop-off as they did before when Lin went to the bench.

Of course it could end up being just a clusterfuck with nobody playing up to expectations. I'd rather see Rick Carlisle running this show than Mike D, I have to say.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 21, 2012, 01:04:58 AM
Hard to feel sorry for him, really
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 21, 2012, 01:12:59 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 21, 2012, 01:04:58 AM
Hard to feel sorry for him, really

me either
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjZRAvsZf1g
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 21, 2012, 01:20:58 AM
Well yeah, he's going to get paid wherever. But he forced his way off a pretty good team in Utah when he could have waited for free agency. He didn't choose to go to the Nets but he did want to be traded so boo hoo, he got traded to a shitty team. He's playing well this year, which is cool and all, but he can't reasonably complain.

Anyway, he's blatantly headed for Dallas next year
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: pilonv1 on February 21, 2012, 03:20:55 AM
fuck off lob city :rock
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: DJ_Tet on February 21, 2012, 04:03:42 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 21, 2012, 01:20:58 AM
Well yeah, he's going to get paid wherever. But he forced his way off a pretty good team in Utah when he could have waited for free agency. He didn't choose to go to the Nets but he did want to be traded so boo hoo, he got traded to a shitty team. He's playing well this year, which is cool and all, but he can't reasonably complain.

Anyway, he's blatantly headed for Dallas next year

Not only that but he basically forced Utah's hand in regards to the coach before he left.  Sloan ended up resigning and Williams still acted a bitch.

New Jersey is probably too good for him, hope they find a way to trade his ass to Toronto.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 21, 2012, 04:35:41 AM
still, gotta admit, he took care of business tonight

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_jeremy_lin_deron_williams_knicks_nets_022012
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: DJ_Tet on February 21, 2012, 05:44:42 AM
No one is arguing his talent but I think it's kind of telling all this talk about how the Nets 'had this one circled' on their calendar.  They are 10-24 and had lost 7 out of 8 since the last game with the Knicks.

Perhaps if Williams had circled a couple of games against the Pistons they could have won those too.

And his talk about how 'all this Lin stuff started on him' kinda rubs me the wrong way.  You don't have anything to do with Linsanity, Deron.  Just because he came off the bench against you and dropped 25 doesn't mean 'you started it.'  Really takes away from what Lin has accomplished imo even if he didn't mean it that way.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: benjipwns on February 21, 2012, 05:57:20 AM
He did go off in the one Pistons game late, had a four point play followed by two threes just like in this one. 17 points in the fourth.

He knows the team is shit and is putting up a token effort killing time before he heads to Dallas.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: DJ_Tet on February 21, 2012, 06:08:26 AM
His team may be shit but so are the Pistons and they lost back to back to them while having the 'knicks game circled.'

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: benjipwns on February 21, 2012, 06:18:20 AM
The Pistons are so terrible they're failing at tanking.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 21, 2012, 07:16:29 AM
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Jeremy Lin and the New York Knicks’ 104-97 victory over the Dallas Mavericks Sunday gave Walt Disney Co.’s ABC network its third-highest overnight rating for a non- Christmas Day basketball game

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The contest was watched in 4.8 percent of U.S. households in the top 56 media markets. The Boston Celtics-Los Angeles Lakers game in January 2011 and a Lakers-Cleveland Cavaliers game in February 2009 both delivered 5.0 overnight ratings, the network said.

Pretty impressive, especially since the game started 10:00 AM WST. Dirk bring in the ratings once again!  :spin

Speaking of Dirk, and I so rarely do, here are his stats for his last ten games (over 17 days): 25.4 PPG, .495 FG%, .421 3P%, 7.1 RPG

The stats aren't impressive on their own, but they are impressive compared to his January stats: 15 PPG, .441 FG%, .212 3P%, 5.8 RPG

That's basically going from '08-'09 Andrea Bargnani to '09-'10 Dirk Nowitzki.

Time to give Odom a conditioning break. I don't care if it last two months.



Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 21, 2012, 07:25:42 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 21, 2012, 06:18:20 AM
The Pistons are so terrible they're failing at tanking.

The Toronto Maple Leafs have failed at tanking since 1967. The Leafs have given away a ton of top-ten picks and of the nineteen they've kept, only one of them turned out to be even a borderline superstar, Darryl Sittler. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 21, 2012, 08:31:34 AM
It's nice 'cause I'm a Dirk fan, but I really don't see what's so remarkable about this story that it's worth belaboring. All it is is a reversion to the mean. Everybody even remotely connected to basketball has been expecting this, just like they expected the Spurs to quietly sneak up the standings. The only Mavs-related question of interest I have this year is do they have enough to make it out of the West again.

Also, while I freely admit i haven't spent any time watching the Nets this year other than during Linsanity, I've read that Williams has been playing his ass off as usual, just to little fanfare and little result. Like John Wall, he just doesn't have a lot of decent help there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: benjipwns on February 21, 2012, 09:17:19 AM
Williams is playing well, but just from what I've seen mostly from the three Pistons games in two weeks or whatever it was, plus a few minutes of a couple other games like tonight, and it's just my impression but people on GAF and elsewhere have the same one for whatever that's worth, is that he's basically just going out there, doing what he can do and if the game is close he'll step it up but otherwise is content to list along accepting the losses.

You could tell in the Pistons games, he'd get hot and make some good baskets and yet he'd look as bored and dead as the rest of the Nets. When he started going crazy with the threes was the only time anybody on the team seemed to perk up and he still didn't seem entirely invested, like "yeah, yeah, I'm awesome, but this isn't going to mean anything." And even when he wasn't making shots but was with a lineup he liked running with he was pushing it more, willing to try lobs and stuff, but other lineups he was content to just pass it off and let guys get their numbers in defeats.

I think it's really just a factor of how much of a mess the team is. They're 10-24, he steps up and plays as hard as he could all season long would they really be any better than say 14-20? Johnson is still dicking around with lineups as well considering all the injuries they have. From the Pistons games Deron seemed to like being with the younger guys than the DeShawn Stevensons and was a bit more active in trying to get them baskets. But that could be entirely out of curiosity.

Regarding the Lin stuff, it's worth noting that Williams has been asked a ton about Lin because of it "starting" with him to the point a few days ago he basically told reporters to STFU about it as he got a bundle of questions about Lin and none about his game or the Nets. I could understand him saying "I'm tired of talking about this and I'm going to wreck them so it goes away."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 21, 2012, 09:33:54 AM
Has Williams or anyone around him indicated which team he'll sign with next season (assuming he doesn't pick up the player option)?

edit:
Bill Simmons
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We're all supposed to pretend this might not happen even though it's a bigger summer lock than Michael Phelps winning a gold medal. I haven't talked to one person "In the Know" who isn't 100 percent convinced that Dallas is getting him.

I guess that means he's signing with the Lakers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 21, 2012, 12:25:42 PM
Didn't catch the Knicks game last night as I was busy and Deron Williams did have an amazing game so its tough to beat a team when a player is on a roll like that.

That being said I also think its going to take awhile for the Knicks to re-gel with Carmelo in the lineup. Basketball is such an interesting sport because it often isn't like baseball where you can just throw a powerful batting lineup out there and it just works. If it took/and still takes that long for Wade and Lebron to play together no reason to suddenly think that all these Knick parts will fit together. Superstars often just need the ball in their hands to be superstars. Take that away from Carmelo and I'm not sure he's the same.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 21, 2012, 03:44:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiaUXVSyDZc
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 21, 2012, 06:06:32 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 21, 2012, 12:25:42 PM
Didn't catch the Knicks game last night as I was busy and Deron Williams did have an amazing game so its tough to beat a team when a player is on a roll like that.

That being said I also think its going to take awhile for the Knicks to re-gel with Carmelo in the lineup. Basketball is such an interesting sport because it often isn't like baseball where you can just throw a powerful batting lineup out there and it just works. If it took/and still takes that long for Wade and Lebron to play together no reason to suddenly think that all these Knick parts will fit together. Superstars often just need the ball in their hands to be superstars. Take that away from Carmelo and I'm not sure he's the same.

The trick is just to get him the ball a lot anyway, but get it to him in the same or better spots using screens and ball movement than he'd get it to himself with iso play. That gives other people opportunities along the way, and gives Melo a chance to play decoy a bit and "rest" occasionally, theoretically giving him more energy to play some semblance of defense. We've seen LeBron play a lot more off the ball this season, and everyone seems to agree that it's devastating. He may just  be more coachable or more talented than Melo of course, but I think their skills are broadly in line....
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: etiolate on February 21, 2012, 06:38:59 PM
The Pistons, Kings and Warriors are all the same sort of frustrating situation. Tons of draft pick talent, no chance at playoffs, but won't tank so hard as to get a top 3 pick talent. I guess Philly did this for awhile and combined it with some trades to made a deep, well coached team. There's also the chance you end up never going anywhere with all those second tier draft picks, too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: pilonv1 on February 21, 2012, 06:44:54 PM
Bucks are sort of in that spot too due to injuries. If they were healthy they'd be a playoff team easily.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 21, 2012, 07:23:17 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on February 21, 2012, 09:33:54 AM
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We're all supposed to pretend this might not happen even though it's a bigger summer lock than Michael Phelps winning a gold medal. I haven't talked to one person "In the Know" who isn't 100 percent convinced that Dallas is getting him.

I guess that means he's signing with the Lakers.

Haha, sounds about right.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 21, 2012, 07:28:29 PM
It also means Michael Phelps will drown in London.
RIP
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 21, 2012, 07:33:52 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on February 21, 2012, 07:28:29 PM
It also means Michael Phelps will drown in London.
RIP

 :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: DJ_Tet on February 21, 2012, 07:40:13 PM
Quote from: etiolate on February 21, 2012, 06:38:59 PM
The Pistons, Kings and Warriors are all the same sort of frustrating situation. Tons of draft pick talent, no chance at playoffs, but won't tank so hard as to get a top 3 pick talent. I guess Philly did this for awhile and combined it with some trades to made a deep, well coached team. There's also the chance you end up never going anywhere with all those second tier draft picks, too.

Chicago was in that situation too and then they landed the #1 pick anyway.  Never underestimate what Stern might do.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: etiolate on February 21, 2012, 08:47:39 PM
Quote from: DJ_Tet on February 21, 2012, 07:40:13 PM
Quote from: etiolate on February 21, 2012, 06:38:59 PM
The Pistons, Kings and Warriors are all the same sort of frustrating situation. Tons of draft pick talent, no chance at playoffs, but won't tank so hard as to get a top 3 pick talent. I guess Philly did this for awhile and combined it with some trades to made a deep, well coached team. There's also the chance you end up never going anywhere with all those second tier draft picks, too.

Chicago was in that situation too and then they landed the #1 pick anyway.  Never underestimate what Stern might do.

Considering what happened to the Kings when they had the best chance at Blake Griffin, I know all about this.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 21, 2012, 09:11:08 PM
Do you understand the concept of odds? What is there to bitch about?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 21, 2012, 11:24:21 PM
If Linsanity wasn't going on people would be noticing that Lebron and Wade are putting up stupid good stats recently.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 21, 2012, 11:29:29 PM
oh, I suspect they are very very VERY eager to demonstrate that and will do so in a few days :)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: pilonv1 on February 21, 2012, 11:41:21 PM
That will be the first time I'll cheer the Heat in years. I feel dirty.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 22, 2012, 03:31:37 AM
sure you did
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Fifstar on February 22, 2012, 05:13:36 AM
I stopped liking the Heat when Zo left (the first time). Still have a jersey of him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: pilonv1 on February 22, 2012, 05:35:48 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on February 22, 2012, 12:47:46 AM
I actually liked the Heat when they were just Wade and scrubs.

I used to like the Heat because of Timmy & Zo. I don't have anything against Wade and wouldn't mind him doing well, it's mainly LeBron and Melo I loathe.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 22, 2012, 05:57:37 AM
I like Miami. I don't have a problem liking popular things.

And Lebron's fine with me. Never raped anybody. Isn't committing crimes. Good ball player. Has done nothing on a level that warrants me hating him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 22, 2012, 09:57:34 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 22, 2012, 05:57:37 AM
And Lebron's fine with me. Never raped anybody.

He raped an entire city. :smug
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 22, 2012, 11:32:53 AM
They were begging for it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 22, 2012, 07:42:37 PM
Knicks - Hawks, who ya got
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 22, 2012, 08:53:52 PM
Damn, didn't expect the Knicks to beat down the Hawks this bad.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 22, 2012, 09:00:20 PM
the Hawks still look like they don't speak to each other on or off the court
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 22, 2012, 09:01:23 PM
Great opportunity for the Knicks starters to play around a bit and get comfortable. Melo was looking nervous early but looks his usual relaxed self now...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 22, 2012, 09:22:41 PM
Dunno if anyone follows Tom Ziller on twitter, but he had an amazing story about Ricky Rubio today. Apparently a major reason the Kings passed on him was because when he visited Sacto, his mom came out with them to the restaurant and CUT HIS STEAK for him :rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Beezy on February 22, 2012, 09:26:41 PM
lmao
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 22, 2012, 09:32:34 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 22, 2012, 09:22:41 PM
Dunno if anyone follows Tom Ziller on twitter, but he had an amazing story about Ricky Rubio today. Apparently a major reason the Kings passed on him was because when he visited Sacto, his mom came out with them to the restaurant and CUT HIS STEAK for him :rofl

That sounds like a brilliant way to de-qualify yourself from being chosen by a bad organization. I wonder what he does to avoid jury duty

spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: etiolate on February 22, 2012, 09:57:43 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 22, 2012, 09:22:41 PM
Dunno if anyone follows Tom Ziller on twitter, but he had an amazing story about Ricky Rubio today. Apparently a major reason the Kings passed on him was because when he visited Sacto, his mom came out with them to the restaurant and CUT HIS STEAK for him :rofl

I've heard this story before. There's some idiots like Jerry Reynolds involved in player personnel for the Kings.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: pilonv1 on February 22, 2012, 10:17:36 PM
If he played like Rubio I wouldn't care if he deficated on his plate and rubbed it all over his face.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 22, 2012, 10:23:04 PM
It's a weird thing. I mean, Rubio went pro at 14 so presumably is used to life on the road, loose women, booze etc. It would be a weird reason to pass on a player like that, but if you remember the bit in Moneyball where they diss a player for having a '6' for a girlfriend, it doesn't seem impossible.

Also it's just hilarious.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 22, 2012, 11:39:42 PM
agreed
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 23, 2012, 12:16:19 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWsK6KN_drI
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 23, 2012, 12:22:07 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 23, 2012, 12:16:19 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWsK6KN_drI

Geez. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 23, 2012, 03:37:44 AM
:lol

Any good team would have given up on him a long time ago...he seems unteachable.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 23, 2012, 09:04:25 AM
Big game tonight.

<insert racist puns about Lebron and Wade having Chinese for dinner tonight>
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 23, 2012, 04:17:25 PM
I think the T-wolves should get the 8th seed on the strength of this alone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYDzvmoGIcE
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: DJ_Tet on February 23, 2012, 04:21:39 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 23, 2012, 03:37:44 AM
:lol

Any good team would have given up on him a long time ago...he seems unteachable.

He'll have a fantastic volleyball career once he washes out of the league.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 23, 2012, 05:03:56 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 23, 2012, 09:04:25 AM
Big game tonight.

<insert racist puns about Lebron and Wade having Chinese for dinner tonight>

After they eat Jeremy Lin for lunch, they'll be hungry again in an hour?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 23, 2012, 07:09:03 PM
And we begin.

Lin better be careful with the turnovers. Miami will eat you up if you give up a bunch of those.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 23, 2012, 07:14:10 PM
TO prediction on Lin? 

I say 4.  He's been getting better at keeping the ball in control. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 23, 2012, 07:15:17 PM
I'll say 8 or more.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 23, 2012, 07:16:22 PM
Yeah, just started watching it on my DVR.

WTF :lol

Heat look like they're playing against a high school team. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 23, 2012, 07:17:30 PM
I don't think the Knicks are the kind of squad that will give the Heat problems. There are types of teams that will. I just don't think this is one of them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 23, 2012, 07:17:38 PM
Lin's turnovers aren't that big a problem, really. When you consider the ball is in his hands all the time, and that he's learning from his mistakes. Also, he steals a lot which offsets the TOs...
As long as TEAM turnovers aren't overly high, they should be ok against the Heat. You have to pick the Heat today though.

woo, nba.tv has a new look!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 23, 2012, 07:20:32 PM
Lin hasn't seen this many empty courtside seats since he played at Harvard
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 23, 2012, 07:29:53 PM
heh, if this rabid pace keeps up...i'd be totally ok with a 7 game series of this.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 23, 2012, 07:32:56 PM
Knicks sticking in with their rebounding and Chandler's defense. He's already caused a number of missed Lay-ups. He should have made the All-Star game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 23, 2012, 07:33:39 PM
Chandler is gonna miss games with all these techs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 23, 2012, 07:35:37 PM
Knicks are still in this for sure...Lin is still getting in the paint, and Chandler will blunt LeBron and Wade's impact there...plus, historically Melo always seems to win these match-ups with LeBron, like D-Will with CP3.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 23, 2012, 07:35:39 PM
Novak has been hot as hell recently.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 23, 2012, 07:41:16 PM
Heat gives up way too many 2nd chances. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 23, 2012, 07:45:46 PM
did the cam just catch Lin mouthing 'Fuuuuuckk' there? :lol

Where is your God now
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 23, 2012, 07:46:25 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 23, 2012, 07:41:16 PM
Heat gives up way too many 2nd chances.

Always a Miami Weakness along with allowing a lot of three pointers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 23, 2012, 07:51:16 PM
Novakaine!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 23, 2012, 07:55:13 PM
The Knicks' bench is suddenly a strength, whereas Miami's is still just a holding pattern at best
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 23, 2012, 08:02:26 PM
Lin's worst game easily. 5 turnovers. 2 assists. 3 points. -9 on +/-
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 23, 2012, 08:11:46 PM
About what you'd expect from a rookie PG facing D like this for the first time, I guess. The prob with everything running through Lin is that if you can disrupt Lin's game, you disrupt the whole team. That said, it's still anyone's game. Maybe Melo and Stat can earn their money.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 23, 2012, 08:14:17 PM
Wow - Chandler could have taken the charge on LeBron there but wasn't keen on having to drink his meals for the next 6 months
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 23, 2012, 08:21:11 PM
The Knicks look legit now, even when Lin is having an off night.  He's got that team and that city fired up now.  Hard to imagine they won't be in the playoffs this season.  Possibly against the Heat in the first round too!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 23, 2012, 08:25:00 PM
Lin needs to slow down a bit.  He's not playing that bad.  I was really surprised by that drive where he got an offensive rebound in traffic after missing the layup.  Even though he missed, his athleticism in that play was pretty impressive.  I didn't think he had that kind of strength and explosiveness. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 23, 2012, 08:25:31 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 23, 2012, 07:46:25 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 23, 2012, 07:41:16 PM
Heat gives up way too many 2nd chances.

Always a Miami Weakness along with allowing a lot of three pointers.

very reminiscent of last year's finals
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 23, 2012, 08:28:59 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 23, 2012, 08:25:31 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 23, 2012, 07:46:25 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 23, 2012, 07:41:16 PM
Heat gives up way too many 2nd chances.

Always a Miami Weakness along with allowing a lot of three pointers.

very reminiscent of last year's finals

The biggest improvement is that the supporting cast is a lot better than last year and Lebron takes less three's. The flaws are still largely the same though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 23, 2012, 08:31:36 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 23, 2012, 08:25:00 PM
Lin needs to slow down a bit.  He's not playing that bad.  I was really surprised by that drive where he got an offensive rebound in traffic after missing the layup.  Even though he missed, his athleticism in that play was pretty impressive.  I didn't think he had that kind of strength and explosiveness. 

Did you see the Sports Science bit Stoney posted, where they measured his quickness? He compares very favorably to elite PGs. Or just go look at him dunking all over John Wall on youtube...

He is definitely looking rattled. D'Antoni has a tough choice for the 2nd half - try to settle the game down with Baron (who doesn't really know what he's doing with this team either - has barely played in a year...) or stick with Lin...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 23, 2012, 08:47:18 PM
Melo shooting off an iso with 20 seconds on the clock, smh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 23, 2012, 08:57:17 PM
The problem with Lin is that with with the pick and roll removed he has been a net loss to have on the floor tonight.

Other than those drives where he get fouled in this quarter he has been useless.

Amare was feeling it early in the game but they haven't really went back to him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 23, 2012, 09:06:24 PM
This one seems over.  Miami is just too much.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lin>Tebow)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 23, 2012, 09:18:29 PM
Miami has been beating teams by an average of 12pts...and that's exactly the lead they have. LeBron is more efficient than any player in history, including the best seasons of Jordan and Wilt. Fearsome.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 23, 2012, 09:27:39 PM
10pt game with 4.30 to go and it still feels like the game is done and dusted
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 23, 2012, 09:29:08 PM
They got in Lin's head tonight. He's had fast break opportunities and not taken them.

Overall kinda went like I expected. And its probably a good thing for Lin so it will stop the hype machine a bit and give more realistic expectations for him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 23, 2012, 09:32:38 PM
Yeah...tentative and a step slow as a result. I loved that he seemingly had no fear of failure before this but he definitely seemed to have it tonight...
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 23, 2012, 09:53:33 PM
Bynum just got bitched
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 23, 2012, 10:18:26 PM
Stolen from a reddit thread but it is amazing to see early Shaq and how amazing he was instead of the tail end of his career.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DSN1KnAW-Y
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 23, 2012, 10:23:45 PM
Puts all the ranting in his book about how it didn't make sense for Pat Riley to insist on him being slim in perspective, don't it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 23, 2012, 11:27:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYDzvmoGIcE

:rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 23, 2012, 11:56:57 PM
While I agree that it would help the Thunder to have an inside scorer Barkley is getting annoying with his they can't win without one. The Mavs won essentially as a jump shooting team last year. Yes they had Barea penetrating but Westbrook can penetrate.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 24, 2012, 01:12:51 AM
Like Barkley's teams ever won a championship with one
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 24, 2012, 02:41:13 AM
Burn  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 24, 2012, 01:54:46 PM
I was bored so I was looking up random players on Wikipedia and noticed that Darko Miličić is 26. And this is his 10th season in the league. That is insane. If he actually had been a good player, he could have broken every record ever.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 24, 2012, 02:10:18 PM
and a ring before his 19th birthday
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Fifstar on February 24, 2012, 02:26:27 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 24, 2012, 01:54:46 PM
I was bored so I was looking up random players on Wikipedia and noticed that Darko Miličić is 26. And this is his 10th season in the league. That is insane. If he actually had been a good player, he could have broken every record ever.

?

According to Wikipedia, his rookie season was 03/04, actually the second pick after LeBron. The two seasons before he played in serbia.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 24, 2012, 04:32:39 PM
Yeah it's he's 8th season. I was double counting the years where he got traded mid season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on February 24, 2012, 05:06:40 PM
Watched the Knicks game on my dvr this morning. They really shut Lin down. He wasn't ready for this at all. And the Heat just completely out hustled them. :'(

I'm expecting their rematch in the Garden on April 15th to be one of the best games of the season. I hope both teams are completely healthy at that point.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 24, 2012, 05:40:16 PM
Lin's got to trust his handles more.  The more defensive he dribbles, the easier it gets to strip him. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 24, 2012, 07:47:14 PM
apparently Young Simba fucked up in the celeb game? Give me an update, Beezy!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on February 24, 2012, 07:52:12 PM
College players would destroy him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 24, 2012, 07:59:17 PM
Sideline Story indeed  :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2012, 10:22:15 PM
(http://i.minus.com/ibhtE7l5ud7lYm.gif)

(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/968909/marshon.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2012, 01:11:38 AM
Arne Duncan got mad skills  :o
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 25, 2012, 01:30:12 AM
He played for Harvard and pro ball in Aussieland. Was pretty good in last years game too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2012, 01:32:54 AM
Damn, hopefully unemployment is like 5% in a few years so President Obama can suit up without fear of criticism :rock
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 25, 2012, 10:00:38 AM
Clinton couldn't even get a blowjob from a fatty when it was 4%.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc0ybsBzRDc
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 25, 2012, 10:38:44 AM
Some really amazing defense shown off in those plays. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 25, 2012, 10:42:25 AM
You want some Rookie Game defense?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VUpbTztTKQ
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 25, 2012, 10:44:49 AM
:rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 25, 2012, 02:27:10 PM
bahahahaha
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 25, 2012, 02:57:27 PM
 You better not do that again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 25, 2012, 09:11:29 PM
:lol

not bothering with any of the All Star stuff, it just annoys me now. Will rely on Stoney for youtube highlights :bow
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2012, 09:14:32 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 25, 2012, 10:42:25 AM
You want some Rookie Game defense?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VUpbTztTKQ
:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 25, 2012, 09:58:13 PM
It's feels like I'm watching playoff basketball already!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 25, 2012, 10:51:03 PM
Jeremy Evans just did a two-ball dunk.  Shit's over.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on February 26, 2012, 06:57:40 AM
I cant remember such a shit all star weekend.

Except maybe last year
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ch1nchilla on February 26, 2012, 07:40:24 AM
The NBA int'l league pass simply does not work anymore for me or a lot of other people. Interface is garbage, video doesn't even work. Who fucking rolls out a new, untested version mid-season?!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2012, 09:38:18 AM
Too many shitty gimmicks in the dunk contest but that's par for the course. Just fucking have people dunk the ball. Stop all the gimmicks and props and celebrities.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 26, 2012, 03:21:53 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on February 26, 2012, 12:51:08 PM
I'm not going to be happy until some dude dunks with a midget on his shoulders and as he's coming down the midget dunks as well.

Only if they jump out of a Toyota Sienna, which is currently starting at $25k available at your local dealership
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Huff on February 26, 2012, 09:15:48 PM
So did the Nicki Minaje and Pitbull shows overtake the superbowl halftime show as worst of the year?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: naff on February 26, 2012, 10:30:10 PM
Ye, they were bad but the actual game ended up being damn good.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 26, 2012, 11:12:41 PM
Another Miami Heat choke job. :teehee
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 26, 2012, 11:35:57 PM
Best thing about this game is seeing the genuine dislike between Kobe and Lebron/Dwyane.   The media always tries to make it seem like there's genuine mutual respect between those guys but it's obviously BS.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 27, 2012, 08:48:34 AM
Watched it this morning. Entertaining All-Star game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on February 27, 2012, 11:16:39 AM
On Lebron not taking the last shot - http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AsckuzGIj1XrGvR7GLrLlH28vLYF?slug=aw-wojnarowski_lebron_james_nba_allstar_022712
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Rman on February 27, 2012, 02:11:25 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 26, 2012, 11:35:57 PM
Best thing about this game is seeing the genuine dislike between Kobe and Lebron/Dwyane.   The media always tries to make it seem like there's genuine mutual respect between those guys but it's obviously BS.
Weren't they buddy buddy in the Olympics?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 27, 2012, 03:31:00 PM
Quote
Sam Amick ‏ @sam_amick Close
Kevin Johnson says "framework of an agreement going forward" to keep team in Sacramento. "I want to jump up and down."

Johnson: "It's game over, so our community should be really excited." Maloofs contribute upwards of $70 million. Staffers clapping.

Johnson speaking flanked by David Stern, Maloofs. Joe Maloof now speaking: "It's a great day for Sacramento...Our family is just so excited"

Arena deal DONE. Suck it Anaheim! Socal is dirty, nasty and gross! Thanks for the disney BEEYOCH
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 29, 2012, 06:34:12 PM
Really looking forward to see how Linsanity will fare against Kyrie Irving tonight.  Despite Lin's success, I kinda feel sorry for him because now he is everyone's favorite target. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 29, 2012, 06:37:49 PM
Yeah. Someone (maybe Hollinger) said that they're going to be seeing everyone's A-game for the rest of the season, despite being barely a .500 team. Still, it's not like they're going to trade him if he fucks up. He'll likely just get better fast.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 29, 2012, 07:40:18 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 29, 2012, 06:37:49 PM
Yeah. Someone (maybe Hollinger) said that they're going to be seeing everyone's A-game for the rest of the season

Lin's father will be disappointed with anything less than A+.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 29, 2012, 07:45:03 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on February 29, 2012, 07:40:18 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 29, 2012, 06:37:49 PM
Yeah. Someone (maybe Hollinger) said that they're going to be seeing everyone's A-game for the rest of the season

Lin's father will be disappointed with anything less than A+.

(http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz3wonYpdS1qe9uoko1_400.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 29, 2012, 07:59:20 PM
The Clipper Darrell shit is pretty depressing. Just when you think the Clippers have their act together a little bit...
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 29, 2012, 09:43:07 PM
WTF Clipper Darrell is one of the main reasons fans go to a Clippers game.  You can't pay someone to cheer with that much enthusiasm.  Clippers should be glad he was doing it for free.  I doubt he was making much money for his public appearances.  Clippers should have just let it slide. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 29, 2012, 10:10:37 PM
I'm sure he got something out of it (given that he had a website) but you're right, his enthusiasm was genuine and infectious (I saw it first hand!). Clippers org just all fucking class, as usual
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 29, 2012, 10:15:29 PM
Lin beasted tonight :o
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 29, 2012, 10:20:24 PM
On paper, it looks like Lin outplayed Irving by a fairly large margin but were they matched up against each other?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 29, 2012, 10:21:00 PM
not sure, didnt see the game
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 29, 2012, 10:28:47 PM
Irving played great...the Knicks' bench had more to do with it than Lin, really. Novakaine, eases your pain :bow
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 29, 2012, 10:29:12 PM
Beezy and I live-tweeted most of it btw :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on February 29, 2012, 10:35:00 PM
Novak really saved them when they came back from halftime. It was him and Chandler that got the team going.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 01, 2012, 02:25:21 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFiIiypFQKw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgqMK8qtddw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTy9VGd30jY
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 01, 2012, 02:11:50 PM
A lot of rumours out there that the Celtics are heavily shopping Rondo.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 01, 2012, 02:34:12 PM
what the shitfuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 01, 2012, 05:43:54 PM
http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/7634903/doc-rivers-confident-rajon-rondo-remain-boston-celtics

Docs tries to shoot down the Rondo rumours.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 01, 2012, 10:50:38 PM
Quote
Resurgent NBA’s local ratings up 19 percent

By John Ourand & John Lombardo, Staff Writers

Published February 27, 2012|     
The NBA is experiencing its strongest TV viewership since the Michael Jordan era, with local ratings up 19 percent and four teams more than doubling last year’s local ratings.

The Minnesota Timberwolves (+140 percent), Oklahoma City Thunder (+140 percent), Los Angeles Clippers (+138 percent) and Philadelphia 76ers (+112 percent) have more than doubled their local TV ratings this year, according to Nielsen figures through the middle of the month.

“The fans are happy to have the NBA back and it’s reflected in the ratings,” said Jeff Krolik, executive vice president of Fox Sports Networks, which oversee RSNs that cover three of those four teams. “It’s another example of the power of live sports.”

The numbers are just as good nationally, where ABC, ESPN, TNT and NBA TV are on pace to post their highest NBA game ratings ever. Through four games, ABC is averaging 2.063 million viewers, up 10 percent. Through 21 telecasts, TNT is averaging 2.7 million viewers, up 25 percent from last season. ESPN is averaging 2.063 million viewers through 28 games, up 20 percent. And NBA TV is averaging 352,000 viewers through 52 games, up 52 percent.

The league’s best local ratings story is in New York, where the NBA’s newest star in Knicks guard Jeremy Lin is driving ratings increases to unseen heights at MSG Network. Knicks games on Feb. 17 and Feb. 20, against two of the worst NBA teams in the New Orleans Hornets and New Jersey Nets, became the highest-rated regular-season games on MSG since the network first began tracking ratings during the 1988-89 season.

Both games generated a 7.3 rating (540,788 households), helping the network’s ratings jump 82 percent in the average season-to-date household rating through Feb. 22 compared with the first 27 games on MSG Network last season (2.46 rating vs. 1.35 rating; 181,740 households vs. 101,457 households).

The ratings increase has brought a double-digit increase in advertising rates, with ad revenue also up by more than 10 percent on MSG to date.

“Lin has turbocharged a trend that was already occurring last year,” said Michael Bair, president of MSG Media. “The combination of the Knicks’ surge along with the compelling Lin story has had a profound effect on demand and viewership.”

Bair said MSG’s dispute that kept the RSN dark on Time Warner Cable for the season’s first month and a half helped drive interest in the team.

“There was pent-up demand because we were not on Time Warner and there was a bit of a hangover effect from that,” Bair said.

Strong TV stories are all over the map so far this season. Spurs games on FS Southwest are generating the league’s biggest local ratings (7.94), even though its TV ratings are down 17 percent from last year. Heat games on Sun Sports are a distant second (6.49), but up 29 percent from last year.

Lakers games on FS West draw the biggest local audience, with an average of 258,000 homes tuning into each Lakers game (down 4 percent from last year). Bulls games on Comcast SportsNet Chicago are second, attracting an average of 213,000 homes, which is up 53 percent.


http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2012/02/27/Media/NBA-RSNs.aspx#.T0_jDSVKg04.reddit
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 02, 2012, 01:24:18 AM
The Heat are fucking nasty right now. No Bosh tonight. On the road at Portland.

Lebron
38 pts
11 rebs
6 assists
5 steals

Wade
33 points
10 assists

It wasn't even a game. Heat were in control from beginning to end.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 02, 2012, 01:28:05 AM
Meanwhile in OKC:

Durant
38 pts
8 rebs
3 assists

Westbrook
29 pts
10 assists
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 02, 2012, 01:50:34 AM
The problem is Miami has me believing which is a terrible position for me. I'm much more comfortable picking them apart and whining about them.

James and Wade are 1 and 2 in per and have higher per numbers than they did last year. Bosh numbers are nearly identical to last season.

They are number 1 in both Team FG% and Team 3 pt FG%.

They are #6 in defensive FG%

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 02, 2012, 02:05:10 AM
I'll believe when Lebron finds a way to not fade away in the 4th quarter of the post-season's most important games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 02, 2012, 02:58:36 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 02, 2012, 02:05:10 AM
I'll believe when Lebron finds a way to not fade away in the 4th quarter of the post-season's most important games.

herp derp lemme show you some statistics that prove your eyes wrong
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 02, 2012, 03:19:24 AM
Says the Pistons fan.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 02, 2012, 03:27:48 AM
:fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 02, 2012, 03:31:44 AM
I got called Lebrick James today for missing the game winning shot in a game to 13.  Before that, I was 6 for 8.  That lost shot was the easiest one too as I drove by two people after an offensive rebound and was open at the basket by myself.  Shot just rolled out. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 02, 2012, 09:38:18 AM
More Boston talk: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/jeremy-lin-carmelo-anthony-ny-knicks-developing-chemistry-owner-james-dolan-stay-year-article-1.1031706?localLinksEnabled=false
Quote
With the Big Three’s window now shut, Ainge is trying to land Atlanta’s Josh Smith and other young studs, while offering up Kevin Garnett. Paul Pierce and Ray Allen can also be had, for young players and draft picks. Rajon Rondo might be leaving, too, with the Lakers and Utah seen as possible destinations.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 02, 2012, 10:32:23 AM
Wow, Ainge really is cold-blooded if he has put Pierce on the block. I think it's the smart thing to do of course but wow.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 02, 2012, 01:01:26 PM
Yeah, Pierce is almost ready to retire anyway.  It's sad if a top 10 Celtic doesn't even get to decide where he's going to retire. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 02, 2012, 02:27:56 PM
To be fair Ainge has always made it pretty clear he didn't want a repeat of the Bird, McHale, Parrish, hang on just because we love them thing.

The Celtics window has closed. Time to blow it up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 02, 2012, 08:40:11 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 02, 2012, 01:01:26 PM
Yeah, Pierce is almost ready to retire anyway.  It's sad if a top 10 Celtic doesn't even get to decide where he's going to retire. 

I don't think he's anywhere near ready to retire - same draft class as Kobe and Nowitzki, still going as strong relative to those guys as he ever did. He can easily start for the remainder of his contract. The fans will be very very pissed if he is traded, I think, even if it makes sense for the team to do so.

As I said, it is indeed time to blow it up - I just didn't expect to see Pierce's name on the block, or not at this early stage at least (Allen and KG will be let go on July 1 anyway, so it makes sense for them to be the first ones shopped). Pierce has stuck with the team throughout rebuilding before, as much as any player in the Cs history in fact. I think he'd rather do that again rather than go for a coattails championship but I may just be projecting.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 02, 2012, 11:25:13 PM
Miami stealing one in Utah after being down for nearly the entire game. Lebron hit two clutch long jumpers.


Lebron
Pts:35
FG: 16-24   
Rebs:10
Ast: 6
Blk:3
Turnovers:0

He had zero turnovers in the prior game also.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 02, 2012, 11:31:54 PM
Huge. Devin Harris just hit a three point play with the and 1.

Utah:99
Miani:98

4 seconds left.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 02, 2012, 11:34:37 PM
Jazz win. Lebron made the right call and passed to an open Haslem but the headlines tomorrow will read why won't lebron take Clutch shots!

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on March 02, 2012, 11:53:10 PM
He could have gotten to the hoop, only had Jefferson in front of him and no one in the lane.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2012, 12:12:24 AM
LeBron could have driven and forced a foul or pulled up for a shot, I can't defend that pass

Wade must be like "wtf is this dude's problem"
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 03, 2012, 12:30:14 AM
Didn't see the game but Wade is getting lit up on Twitter by Jason Whitlock.  Said that Wade steals possessions from LeBron when he's hot instead of deferring (I've seen him do this, they shouldn't have to 'take turns' when one of them really has it going.)  Pointed out that Wade had 2 empty possessions in the last five min as well as a turnover.

Wade is a selfish little bitch I can't stand watching him complain it makes me so mad.  Hell of a player but he's a little bitchboy too. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 03, 2012, 12:32:15 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 02, 2012, 11:34:37 PM
Jazz win. Lebron made the right call and passed to an open Haslem but the headlines tomorrow will read why won't lebron take Clutch shots!

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u173/train28/Capture-1.jpg)

:fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 03, 2012, 01:23:36 AM
the "hot hand" is a fallacy anyway

Wade is smarter than most fans, it seems
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 03, 2012, 01:49:32 AM
Quote from: DJ_Tet on March 03, 2012, 12:30:14 AM
Didn't see the game but Wade is getting lit up on Twitter by Jason Whitlock.  Said that Wade steals possessions from LeBron when he's hot instead of deferring (I've seen him do this, they shouldn't have to 'take turns' when one of them really has it going.)  Pointed out that Wade had 2 empty possessions in the last five min as well as a turnover.

Wade is a selfish little bitch I can't stand watching him complain it makes me so mad.  Hell of a player but he's a little bitchboy too.

typical free market negro
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on March 03, 2012, 01:58:19 AM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on March 03, 2012, 01:23:36 AM
the "hot hand" is a fallacy anyway

Wade is smarter than most fans, it seems

It's not a fallacy that LeBron could have gotten a better shot though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 03, 2012, 02:04:53 AM
No-one had much to say about the previous 9 games in which the Heat beat everyone by an avg of 16.5 pts (except the Lin game, that drew people out...). They lose a game by 1 pt and everyone shows up to hate. It's good theater I guess, but it's hard to take casual fans seriously

Quote from: AWESOM-O on March 03, 2012, 01:24:06 AM
Damn, people are being way too hard on the clear-cut best player in the league. It's like they didn't see those two ridiculous 3s he made before that pass.

Who are you and what have you done with AWESOME-O
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 03, 2012, 02:10:43 AM
Speaking of Lebron, why must stupid Nike always release certain colors as limited editions?  I already have a pair of Lebron 9s but they could have earned another $170 from me if those weren't LEs selling for $200-300 on Ebay.

(http://undergroundsoles.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/nike-lebron-9-swingman-01.jpg)

(http://undergroundsoles.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/nike-lebron-9-swingman-03.jpg)

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 03, 2012, 02:11:08 AM
I'm fine with the pass. Especially in a regular season game. Perhaps I would be a bit more demanding of a superstar in a playoff game where he is really paid to take those shots unless the defense is draped all over him. He had gotten lucky with the previous shot anyway.

Not to mention if he had taken the shot and missed all people would have said is see how un-clutch he is. Lebron can't win in these situations because of the media narrative imo. They've already written the story. Which is bogus. Along with a lot of ignorant fans. They wouldn't have even been in the game if he hadn't played amazingly in the first place and hit two clutch shots right before that. . The only acceptable outcome is him hitting every clutch shot and the heat going 82-0.

I don't mind when people criticize legit bonehead play like in the finals or poor decision making down the stretch which Lebron has been prone to but let's not be dumb here. If you watched that game you saw he played pretty much flawlessly.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 03, 2012, 02:16:33 AM
Media is bullshit but Lebron would have a much easier path to a championship if he can master the crossover stepback J.  He can pretty much get that off anytime because defenders are so scared of him driving. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 03, 2012, 02:50:53 AM
btw the mavs have dropped 4 in a row and the Odom situation has come to a head.

Quote
Dallas Mavericks coach Rick Carlisle expressed disappointment with Lamar Odom's ongoing absence from the team and bluntly stated that the forward will face scrutiny upon his return, from owner Mark Cuban to the players in the locker room.

Odom will play Saturday night for the Mavs' D-League affiliate in nearby Frisco and then is expected to re-join the Mavs for the first time since Feb. 20 when the team travels to Oklahoma City for Monday's game, Carlisle said

"When he comes back, we're going to find out very quickly where things are at," Carlisle said during his weekly appearance Friday on the ESPN Dallas 103.3 FM's "Galloway & Co." "He's going to have to show us with his actions and attitude that he's in."

Odom left the Mavs on Feb. 22 to tend to a family matter and missed his fourth consecutive game Friday night when Dallas played New Orleans. He will also miss Saturday's game against the Utah Jazz. Odom left the team to attend to his ill father in Los Angeles, sources told ESPNDallas.com.

The Mavs need Odom's presence off the bench in the midst of nine games in 12 nights, the most grueling stretch of the season. After Friday's 97-92 loss at New Orleans, Dallas has lost a season-high four games and five of six.

"Mark asks a fundamental question of anybody in our franchise: Are they in or are they not in?" Carlisle said. "Our fans want to know that Lamar's in. Our players want to know that Lamar's in. It's not about how many points he's scoring or rebounds; those things are a factor. Our fans, our players want to see the guy playing like his pants are on fire and we haven't seen that so far and that's got to change."

Texas Legends owner and Mavericks president of basketball operations Donnie Nelson confirmed Friday that it was Odom's idea to play with the Legends first.

Odom was expected to report back to the Mavericks on the Monday after the All-Star break, but he didn't arrive in Dallas until Wednesday. While the team was in Memphis on Wednesday, Cuban met in Dallas with Odom and his agent, Jeff Schwartz, to work on a timetable that would ease Odom back into the fold after his weeklong personal leave.

Point guard Jason Kidd acknowledged that Odom's inconsistent effort and extended absence were issues worthy of concern, although Kidd remained supportive of his teammate.

"Trust factor is always big," Kidd told ESPNDallas.com's Tim MacMahon after Friday morning's shootaround. "For that, he's going to have to earn it with a lot of the guys. But we all give second chances, third chances. For that, we just want him to be him and be comfortable and play."

Added forward Dirk Nowitzki, who has to play heavier minutes with Odom away from the team: "If he can play hard every night and be there for us, it'll be OK. It'll work out. I said two months ago that he can be a big part of what we can do in the playoffs, because his versatility on both ends of the floor is something not a lot of teams have. We'd love to give it a shot and go from there."

Carlisle said he would expect that Odom will address his teammates before Monday's big road game against the Western Conference-leading Thunder.

"It's got to be few words and strong action and it's got to go from there, and I'm sure he'll address the team," Carlisle said. "But, from this point going forward it's attitude and action.

"We're going to do everything we can to get the guy ready to play ... but he's well aware now of exactly what's expected. And it's not about the stats. It's about how he approaches it in terms of his actions on the court, his engagement in the game, being into it and intensity, passion, all those kind of things."

Carlisle acknowledged that Odom is dealing with a personal issue, but he said he does not know specific details. Even so, Carlisle said that Odom's underwhelming season, the worst in his 13-year career, combined with the off-court drama, is wearing thin on a veteran core of players attempting to defend its championship.

"There is a personal issue here and we do not know the extent of it or the details of it," Carlisle said. "There is a fine line between compassion, which our owner is showing, and gross insensitivity."

"I'm disappointed," Carlisle continued, "with the way the whole thing's gone. We've worked hard with this kid. I'm a patient guy, Mark is a patient guy, Donnie is a patient guy, our team is a patient team, but patience has worn thin here.

"... This is serious business. The business of winning NBA basketball games is serious business. This is not easy. It's not easy to win a game in the NBA. ... We need people that are engaged and we need people that are into it."

Odom's agent, Jeff Schwartz, issued a statement Friday in response to speculation that the assignment to the Legends was a demotion from the Mavericks.

"The whole idea of going to the D-League was Lamar's," Schwartz said. "He proposed it to the Mavs; they never asked him. He wanted to get some floor time in actual game conditions before rejoining the team. People need to educate themselves on the rules in place here. NBA veterans don't get sent to the D-League without their consent.

According to new rules implemented this season, NBA veterans with more than two years of service time can only be assigned to the D-League on baseball-style rehab stints with the consent of the player as well as the Players Association.

Odom had two private workouts Friday with Mavs consultant Tim Grgurich, who was flown in this week specifically to help Odom get ready for his return to the Mavs, according to ESPN.com's Marc Stein.

Carlisle presumed that Odom has likely not worked out much during his time away from the team. He said Friday's workouts went well. Carlisle said he still believes Odom can make a positive contribution this season.

"When Lamar comes back, if he comes on the floor and he competes the way people expect him to compete as a member of a world championship defending team," Carlisle said, "this problem will go away."
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 03, 2012, 03:03:09 AM
Fuck Odom.  I wish NBA had rules like the NFL that allow a team to cut a player like this with no pay.  The idiot has basically admitted he has no interest in playing since the Lakers wanted to trade him. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2012, 03:22:49 AM
Yea, I do wonder how the NBA would look with that type of contract set-up
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 03, 2012, 03:38:15 AM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on March 03, 2012, 01:23:36 AM
the "hot hand" is a fallacy anyway

Wade is smarter than most fans, it seems

Neither here nor there.  LeBron was dominating and Wade 'needed' his turn.  He threw up two bad shots.  He deserves to be mentioned in some blame.

I don't agree that 'hot hand' is a fallacy but even if that's a fact Wade captained two empty possessions down the stretch.

The main reason I don't agree about 'hot hand' is probably because I grew up watching two of the best 'hot' shooters to ever play in the NBA, Dell Curry and Glen motherfucking Rice.

Go tell them about hot hand being a fallacy.


edit:  Funny there is talk about guaranteed contracts.  Was just talking to my gf tonight during the Bobcats game and remarked how fast Diop would have been out of the league if the NBA had a contract rule like the NFL.  Same with Matt Carrol's sorry ass. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 03, 2012, 03:40:24 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSFFwMk8IOc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIpL6HInzWE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO7v_Dz2UIQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIjdm5z1ClQ
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 03, 2012, 03:47:43 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 03, 2012, 03:40:24 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIpL6HInzWE

I've always thought that one reason why LBJ isn't as popular as MJ is that aside from dunks and layups, LBJ's game is less pleasing aestheically.  This shot is a perfect example.  MJ has made shots like this but they looked so much prettier.  For a guy with so much hops, it's weird how Lebron usually doesn't get that much elevation on his pullups unless he's fading away, which is much harder. 

Also, even as King James's #1 fan here, I can't approve of his decision in that last play.  He already had the first guy beat and could easily have taken a high percentage shot near the FT line.  It didn't look like Haslem was ready for that shot either. 

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 03, 2012, 03:57:28 AM
I don't think Lebron has a technically sound outside shot. Which is why it often breaks down. Yeah he can get hot and hit them but its nothing I would want to rely on consistently. Its why his decision to go inside more often this season whether its drives or post ups is the correct call imo.

Now somebody like Kobe has an amazing jumper. I'm talking about when Kobe squares up and shoots a ball in rhythm. Not the fading leaning back ones he often takes that I think are often not necessary. When Kobe shoots a squared up  in rhythm distance jumper, I think its going in every time. I'm surprised when it doesn't. When Lebron shoots a long distance squared up jumper, I'm more surprised when it goes in rather than expecting it. The more Lebron moves away from that Kobe model. The better a player he will be imo simply because he doesn't have the technical form on his jumpers. He should only shoot those when he's wide open. I'd prefer for him to continue work on his post game and his mid range stuff.

I say it everytime. This should have always been Lebron's role model

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW4uXlRGAF0

Not Kobe or Jordan.



Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 03, 2012, 03:47:43 AM
It didn't look like Haslem was ready for that shot either.

I disagree. It literally looks like he is waiting to catch the ball there and shoot. Like that was the first option of a designed play if Lebron wasn't comfortable with the shot he had. Not to mention they had run nearly that exact play earlier in the game and Haslem knocked it down. That's his spot. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 03, 2012, 04:06:38 AM
Yeah, his form is not great but he should be able to perfect that shot around the FT line.  Because defenders are always stepping back when Lebron gets in the paint, he gets plenty of time and space for that shot.  I was a terrible shooter for a long time because all I did since HS was jump over and run around people.  Shooting didn't come natural for me but even I've gotten my FT pullup to a pretty high efficiency.  Sometimes regardless of great athleticism or even great post-up moves, the D can still force a player to take a J.  Olajuwon or Duncan wouldn't have won so many championships if they hadn't hit a few Js in critical moments. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 03, 2012, 04:09:48 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 03, 2012, 03:57:28 AM
I disagree. It literally looks like he is waiting to catch the ball there and shoot. Like that was the first option of a designed play if Lebron wasn't comfortable with the shot he had. Not to mention they had run nearly that exact play earlier in the game and Haslem knocked it down. That's his spot.

True, I rewatched that video and it looked like Haslem was ready.  However, that is certainly not a easy shot with a defender running at Haslem and not enough time for him to pump fake the defender to fly over.  It's almost a blind shot when the defender jumps at your like that.  Haslem's release and elevation just aren't good enough for that to be a high percentage shot. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 03, 2012, 04:23:03 AM
Do you guys think there will ever be a perimeter player who is capable of averaging 30+PPG, 50+ FG% on just dunks and layups?  As awesome as Lebron is, he can't do that every night.  Young Jordan was the closest.  If ever there was a player who could do that, he'd be the GOAT. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 03, 2012, 04:50:00 AM
I've always felt like Dwyane Wade is one of the best players in the NBA when it comes to recognizing his strengths and weaknesses and maximizing his strengths. He's also not an especially good outside shooter similar to Lebron but I think when Wade is on he stays away from that shot and tends to take it only when he's wide open or at least he can clearly square up. His mid range game is decent enough so that you have to guard it and his instincts are always to drive it and get fouled when he is struggling.


People praise Lebron for taking less threes this season and they should. That has helped raise his regular FG% and his three point FG%. Lebron is shooting 42% from beyond the arc this season which is far and away the best of his career. Hell he's 17th in the league in 3pt FG%.

But nobody mentions that Wade has also lowered his volume on those shots. He's only taken 15.

Wade never has as high a FG% as Lebron so its hard to explain that often on a game by game basis I feel more comfortable with the shots Wade takes especially late in a game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 03, 2012, 04:54:38 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on March 03, 2012, 04:52:12 AM
How the hell did LeBron get good at 3pt shooting?

He takes a better quality 3 point shot this year. He doesn't come down and just jack them up or do a fadeway three with a few seconds on the shot clock during a bad possession like he often use to. Fortunately the trend of star players trying to emulate kobe and hit off balance leaning threes with a high degree of difficulty seems to be on the wane. I never especially liked when Kobe did it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 03, 2012, 09:45:37 AM
LeBron barely takes the 3 this year, basically. Neither does Wade. Spoelstra or Riley or somebody finally got in his head about it. Got him posting up more too, and playing off the ball more. Basically every real criticism of his game, he has attempted to answer this season. The clutch stuff, he'll just have to work through in those situations I guess. Can't practice that stuff over the summer.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 03, 2012, 11:09:48 PM
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/columns/nba/story/_/id/7641121/los-angeles-lakers-kobe-bryant-vs-miami-heat-dwyane-wade-not-lebron-james


Why is this garbage on ESPN?  It could be written by any regular bleacher report fanboy.  I blame ESPN for the perpetuation of "conventional wisdom" and the lack of factual analysis in sports.  I truly detest this company (I can't stand their overpromotion of NFL and NCAA basketball either). 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2012, 11:17:02 PM
Has anyone put up steller, undeniable MVP numbers yet been dismissed and criticized as much as LeBron? jeez
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 04, 2012, 12:27:36 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2012, 11:17:02 PM
Has anyone put up steller, undeniable MVP numbers yet been dismissed and criticized as much as LeBron? jeez

Peyton Manning got absolutely killed in some quarters until he got his championship, and some older sportswriters have said that the knock on Jordan used to be he was too much of a ballhogging stats guy to win like Bird or Magic (that part of his career was before my time), and of course there's A-Rod.

The whole "championships are everything" attitude is sort of necessary to getting players and fans alike to treat a sport as if it actually matters.  But in team sports where only 1/30th of the players can get a ring any given year, it unfairly diminishes the accomplishments of great players who haven't been lucky enough for everything to line up at the right time.

The flipside is that winning a title retroactively validates all the individual brilliance.  Everyone learned to love Dirk, and people are comfortable calling John Elway the best quarterback of all time when they wouldn't even have allowed him in the discussion after the first dozen years of his career.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2012, 12:31:48 AM
Bah, totally forgot about Peyton. That's true
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 04, 2012, 12:45:50 AM
Manning had a few vocal critics but generally he was a media darling.  After his last Super Bowl lost, many journalists were preemptively attacking people for blaming the loss on Manning.  In actuality, not many people blame Manning for the loss although it was obvious that he had a subpar game. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2012, 12:47:55 AM
I remember a lot of valid criticism of Manning's playoff stats and various chokes until he got that first ring, which kind of erased all that talk.

what a travesty, his brother has two rings  while Peyton might never be the same again :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 04, 2012, 12:52:04 AM
Most people in the media sided with Manning over Brady even though Brady was the underdog by a large margin.  I guess they're just jealous that Brady is such a pussy magnet. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 04, 2012, 09:58:32 AM
Quote from: Mandark on March 04, 2012, 12:27:36 AM

Peyton Manning got absolutely killed in some quarters until he got his championship, and some older sportswriters have said that the knock on Jordan used to be he was too much of a ballhogging stats guy to win like Bird or Magic (that part of his career was before my time), and of course there's A-Rod.

The whole "championships are everything" attitude is sort of necessary to getting players and fans alike to treat a sport as if it actually matters.  But in team sports where only 1/30th of the players can get a ring any given year, it unfairly diminishes the accomplishments of great players who haven't been lucky enough for everything to line up at the right time.

The flipside is that winning a title retroactively validates all the individual brilliance.  Everyone learned to love Dirk, and people are comfortable calling John Elway the best quarterback of all time when they wouldn't even have allowed him in the discussion after the first dozen years of his career.

You're right. The media likes to create simple narratives in which great players are either winners or losers, especially when it allows them to contrast players easily. Kobe is a winner and LeBron is a loser. In the 80s, Bird and Magic were the winners while Jordan was the loser who would never win a championship.

Montana winner, Marino loser
Russell winner, Wilt loser.
Jeter winner, ARod loser

If the loser finally wins, the media can create a monomyth.

A tall young German boy began his quest in the NBA. At first he struggled, but with the mentorship of a grey-haired German wizard and the help of a shaggy Canadian hobbit, he transformed himself not only into an NBA All-Star but also an NBA MVP. Throughout his journey, he faced many challenges and temptations. He failed the former and succumbed to the latter before realizing that he had to transform himself again to meet his new challenges and do background checks on the cheeseburgers he planned on marrying.

By training, taking his vitamins, and praying, he reached his goal and atoned for his past failures.

No longer in the playoffs was he a 25/10 player who lost--he was now a 25/10 player who won!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 04, 2012, 02:48:29 PM
Celtics handling the Knicks. Lin and Baron Davis having awful games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 04, 2012, 02:50:09 PM
To be fair, Knicks fail to catch at least 3 Lin passes that would have led to easy buckets.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 04, 2012, 02:55:36 PM
Only an 8 point game now. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 04, 2012, 03:02:05 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 04, 2012, 02:50:09 PM
To be fair, Knicks fail to catch at least 3 Lin passes that would have led to easy buckets.

I don't know. He's played pretty bad today.

Novak still continues to be hot as hell.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 04, 2012, 03:04:45 PM
I'm not understanding why the Celts are so ready to get rid of Rondo. Is it because he has the most trade value?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 04, 2012, 03:06:28 PM
A quick look at Novak's career 3pt shooting makes me wonder why it took so long for him to get a significant run. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 04, 2012, 03:08:52 PM
Quote from: etiolate on March 04, 2012, 03:04:45 PM
I'm not understanding why the Celts are so ready to get rid of Rondo. Is it because he has the most trade value?

It's because everybody says he has a prickly moody personality but yeah I wouldn't trade him either. You don't get rid of a good point guard. You build around him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 04, 2012, 03:11:35 PM
Davis 6 turnovers.
Lin 6 turnovers.

9 assists for both of them.

 ::)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 04, 2012, 03:12:55 PM
But it's hard to win a championship with a PG who can't even hit a FT pullup as your #1 player.  At least Jason Kidd could get hot every now and then.   
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 04, 2012, 03:24:54 PM
Lin not playing a great game but he's competing here in the 4th. Nice clutch 3 there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 04, 2012, 03:25:05 PM
He hasn't had a great game, but Lin is being clutch as fuck now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 04, 2012, 03:29:48 PM
Not a pretty game but an intense game. Nice stuff here in the 4th.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 04, 2012, 03:31:42 PM
I love 4th quarter basketball.  This is good shit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 04, 2012, 03:36:51 PM
lol. Knicks got no defense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 04, 2012, 03:44:07 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 04, 2012, 03:36:51 PM
lol. Knicks got no defense.

.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 04, 2012, 03:51:37 PM
this one's over.  when it counted the knicks couldn't play defense.  it's a shame.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 04, 2012, 03:53:22 PM
Quote
Boston Celtics Hall of Famer Bob Cousy, to put it mildly, doesn't think his old team should trade Rajon Rondo.

“I’m out of the loop, but boy, unless he’s a serial killer on the side I wouldn’t let this kid go,” Cousy told ESPNNewYork.com. “I don’t know where you’d find a better point guard.”


Rondo
18 pts
17 rebs
20 ast
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 04, 2012, 04:21:18 PM
Rondo destroyed Lin today but Lin still impressed me with his vision and ability to get to the hole.  I didn't think he could slip by Rondo so easily.  He just couldn't finish today. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 04, 2012, 04:25:56 PM
Lakers giving the Heat problems. Miami has problems with big teams that rebound well. And if the team gets hot from outside they struggle to rotate and contest those shots.

And I'll never undestand why Miami insists in passing the ball into Joel Anthony. He has no offense. He is strictly defense. So stop throwing the ball into him like he's comfortable with it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 04, 2012, 04:27:54 PM
Not sure if it's just a Heat problem.  Lakers have been gelling lately. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 04, 2012, 04:32:37 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 04, 2012, 03:53:22 PM
Quote
Boston Celtics Hall of Famer Bob Cousy, to put it mildly, doesn't think his old team should trade Rajon Rondo.

“I’m out of the loop, but boy, unless he’s a serial killer on the side I wouldn’t let this kid go,” Cousy told ESPNNewYork.com. “I don’t know where you’d find a better point guard.”


Rondo
18 pts
17 rebs
20 ast

trade him to a running team
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 04, 2012, 07:41:13 PM
Didn't watch Lakers-Heat at all as I had a bad feeling about the game.  Turns out I was right.  Was Bosh not playing a major factor?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 04, 2012, 07:43:37 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 04, 2012, 07:41:13 PM
Didn't watch Lakers-Heat at all as I had a bad feeling about the game.  Turns out I was right.  Was Bosh not playing a major factor?

It didn't help and Wade didn't have a good game. But I think a squad like the Lakers as currently constructed will give the Heat problems as long as they don't turn over the ball.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 04, 2012, 07:48:40 PM
Heat really should have tried much harder to get Kenyon Martin.  Could they have paid him about the same money as the Clips or at least given him more after this season?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 04, 2012, 11:02:16 PM
Jeez Deron Williams Scored 57 tonight.

As far as the Heat it is what it is. That's a team can look amazing some nights and you think they are obviously going to win the title this year and then on other nights you see the flaws that convince you no way they are going to win a title with the team as currently constructed. That's with the acknowledgement  that they were playing a tough road game against a good team today and playing without Bosh.

It's both entertaining and infuriating at the same time.   
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on March 05, 2012, 04:36:17 AM
Warriors/Raptors game was brutal today. Can't remember the last game I saw that was so bad.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 05, 2012, 05:04:20 AM
Was at the Deron Williams game, it was impressive.

I told my buddy after his second shot in the third that he was on fire.  I said he might end up with 40 (he had 28 at the time.)  Friend said 50.  He scored 22 in the third, by the time we switched Gerald Henderson over to guard him it was too late. 

Surprisingly enough he cooled off at the end of the fourth and only finished with 57.  Lopez turned an ankle and missed the whole second half, Williams was doing it all by himself.  Bobcats played well tonight but still had no shot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 05, 2012, 08:18:35 PM
Duncan literally adding insult to injury:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK3ajPRxnik
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 05, 2012, 08:31:39 PM
What do y'all think of this Jordan 2012 that I designed on NikeID?  I really would like to get it but $205 is a bit much.

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u173/train28/shoe.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 05, 2012, 09:34:38 PM
Westbrick
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 05, 2012, 10:10:20 PM
Yeah Good game going on. OKC and the Mavericks.

Dirk just nailed two big three's.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 05, 2012, 10:27:09 PM
The hell was that
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 05, 2012, 10:28:08 PM

That's what Dirk said.

 :D
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 06, 2012, 12:14:34 AM
Clippers went from title contender to an average team since they lost Billups.   :(

Lately, they also haven't been that fun to watch, aside from the usual theatrics of Blake and Deandre.  I think they should just stick Mo Williams in the starting lineup.  Foye's offensive game is too inconsistent even if he is a better 1 on 1 defender than Mo. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 06, 2012, 12:51:33 AM
Yeah they are now tied with the Lakers after having led them all season. And if I was a betting man, I'd bet on the Lakers winning that division before the Clippers now.

Also Odom continues to be Odom

24 minutes
3-9 FG
2 rebs.

He's shooting 36% for the season.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 06, 2012, 12:58:55 AM
I wish Odom is blacklisted so that no team will sign him after this season, like what happened with Iverson. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 06, 2012, 01:08:01 AM
I know he's having issues family and otherwise and all


http://articles.latimes.com/2011/aug/02/sports/la-sp-lamar-odom-accident-20110803


but good lord he should have just retired if this was the effort he was going to give. Yeah he got kinda screwed by the Lakers too but it's a business. It's not like he got traded to the Bobcats or something. He needs psychiatric help.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 07, 2012, 12:57:15 AM
LOL @ Lakers losing to the Pistons cuz Kobe won't let Bynum shoot more than him. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 07, 2012, 02:31:59 AM
Knicks have come back down to Earth. The Celtics are playing better than them right now so they are almost locked in that 8th spot where they have to play the bulls in the first round.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 07, 2012, 02:35:01 AM
Watched the last couple of minutes when Carmelo didn't get to play even after the Knicks caught up.  What happened?  Was D'antoni mad at him? 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 07, 2012, 02:39:06 AM
Didn't catch the game. Too busy playing ME 3.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 07, 2012, 03:12:16 AM
Watched Dwight get pwned by a rookie.  Biyombo blocked 7 shots including a hook shot of Dwight.  Dwight drives me fucking crazy.  No doubt he's the best center in the league, but the league has so many SHIT centers he's got no excuse for not averaging 30 by now.  Bobcats single-covered him the whole night and he scored 15, 4 or 6 of those were off offensive rebounds.

What the hell has he been doing in this league for 7 years without developing one offensive move?  During warm ups he was taking 3s.  After halftime he took a half court 3.

Dude is a joke and an embarrassment to players who actually try and get the most out of their talent.  LeBron gets way too much hate, he actually has developed his game.  Howard hasn't developed shit and blames Orlando for his shortcomings.  It's beyond a joke.

Biyombo has developed more offensively in 30 games without practice than Howard has in 7 years in the league.  Towards the end of the game the Magic went to Hack-a-Biyombo and dude started making FTs.  Can't wait to see what this kid can do the rest of the year, he's got a ton of potential and apparently is a really hard worker too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 07, 2012, 03:17:22 AM
Dwight is acting like a baby but a smart one.  He doesn't want to play so good that Orlando would look like a title condender.  He's doing just enough so that the media won't kill him like Vince Carter. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on March 07, 2012, 09:15:11 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 07, 2012, 02:35:01 AM
Watched the last couple of minutes when Carmelo didn't get to play even after the Knicks caught up.  What happened?  Was D'antoni mad at him?
He was pretty terrible the whole game. Even Stat showed a lot of effort this game, even on defense! Melo... I'm not sure what's going on with him. He needs to get his shot back ASAP.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 07, 2012, 11:41:55 AM
Odom goes 1-9 with 4 rebs in 23 minutes. That 10 days off is really paying dividends.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 07, 2012, 12:18:16 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 07, 2012, 03:17:22 AM
Dwight is acting like a baby but a smart one.  He doesn't want to play so good that Orlando would look like a title condender.  He's doing just enough so that the media won't kill him like Vince Carter.

It's not like he's holding offensive moves back.  He doesn't have any and never has.  I get what you're saying but that's not what I'm talking about.  I agree that his effort was lacking last night too but I'm talking about his overall game.

Furthermore, Biyombo played him straight up a couple of weeks ago too.  You could tell Dwight was getting frustrated last night and just couldn't do anything about it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 07, 2012, 12:21:05 PM
Dwight Howard has improved a lot and for years single-handedly carried Orlando's defense with a bunch of perimeter players who weren't shutting anyone down.  Getting mad at him because he doesn't live up to the impression you get from his chiseled abs (ie every Bill Simmons column) is dumb.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 07, 2012, 12:32:26 PM
I think Orlando is an awful team relatively speaking with a bunch of mismatched parts. Dwight needs to get the hell out of there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 07, 2012, 12:48:05 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 07, 2012, 12:21:05 PM
Dwight Howard has improved a lot and for years single-handedly carried Orlando's defense with a bunch of perimeter players who weren't shutting anyone down.  Getting mad at him because he doesn't live up to the impression you get from his chiseled abs (ie every Bill Simmons column) is dumb.

No one is talking about his defense.  You're dumb.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 07, 2012, 01:12:42 PM
I know, you were talking about his lack of a post game, which you impute to laziness.  Laziness which somehow doesn't manifest itself in defense or rebounding, which are notoriously effort-driven.

It's one thing to say that Howard's offense, especially in the half-court, is the weakest part of his game.  But acting like it's some moral defect, or a willful choice?  Does anyone think Jason Kidd just couldn't be bothered to learn to shoot jumpers on the move during his whole career?  That Tim Duncan never practices free throws?  That Dwight Howard doesn't want to score more points?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 07, 2012, 01:20:48 PM
Tim Duncan and FTs?  He's had five years where he shot over 70% and one year he shot almost 80% from the line.  He's a career 76% ft shooter (surprising to me but whatever.)  Tim Duncan was a poor choice.

My thoughts on Dwight are as much a reflection on him as they are on the rest of the league.  Who was the second best center in the league during his career?  A broken down Yao Ming?  A baby Andrew Bynum?  My point is he came along during the worst 'big man' era in the last 35+ years and he should dominate.  If he had one post move he would dominate.  Instead he seems content to coast on his athletic gifts.  Is it being simplistic to view it that way?  Perhaps, but I'm not going to write a thesis.  Maybe it is a byproduct of his smile and his massive shoulders, I just think he should be at least competent offensively and he's not. 

To be fair he is a fantastic passer out of the double team, which is exactly why the Bobcats didn't double him last night.  Also, the Bobcats may have one of the few guys who can play him straight up.  I'm not saying he won't have dominant games and doesn't dominate occasionally, but he either takes nights off or he's so limited offensively he can't exploit the terrible centers he faces on a nightly basis.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 07, 2012, 01:24:59 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 07, 2012, 12:32:26 PM
I think Orlando is an awful team relatively speaking with a bunch of mismatched parts. Dwight needs to get the hell out of there.

I'd agree with you if not for the fact that Dwight is willing to go to even more awful teams. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 07, 2012, 01:35:45 PM
I thought of Timmy because he was making less than half during the playoffs a couple years ago, and he's the sort of player who wouldn't get his work ethic questioned.

It seems intuitive that Dwight would put up bigger numbers because he doesn't have any real rivals at his position, but it doesn't actually make sense.  He'll rarely play the #2 or #3 center, and anyway if we're taking offense into account when doing those informal rankings, then it wouldn't make a difference anyway.  What matters for his stats is the defense played by the overall big man population in the NBA, and even if there aren't as many marquee post players, I'd be surprised if there aren't at least as many competent defensive bigs now as there were 15 years ago.

Maybe Dwight's suffering from the same thing as LeBron.  He's in his peak years as a player and hasn't won a championship, so it's hard to 1) pretend that his ceiling is much different from what he is now, or 2) avoid dwelling on his flaws.  One reason I'm pulling for the Thunder to win one in the next few years is to avoid feeling that way about Kevin Durant.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 07, 2012, 01:39:57 PM
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I'd be surprised if there aren't at least as many competent defensive bigs now as there were 15 years ago.

That's a fair point that I hadn't considered.  Obviously the game has evolved to a more guard-friendly game as well over the last 15 years.

As far as Duncan goes, his FT percentage was better than I thought.  Certainly nothing to be ashamed of as a big, and better than his reputation.  I guess that's why you see Hack-a-Dwight and not Hack-a-Duncan.  They tried Hack-a-Biyombo last night and he started nailing his.  Wish that strategy would die or get outlawed, fouling someone intentionally off the ball is about the lamest version of 'basketball' that exists.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 07, 2012, 02:34:13 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 07, 2012, 01:24:59 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 07, 2012, 12:32:26 PM
I think Orlando is an awful team relatively speaking with a bunch of mismatched parts. Dwight needs to get the hell out of there.

I'd agree with you if not for the fact that Dwight is willing to go to even more awful teams.

I don't know what's the truth and what isn't about his plans. We'll see after the season. But I have a feeling he will end up in better situation than the current one. Simply going to New Jersey and teaming with Deron Williams is better than the current Magic.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 07, 2012, 04:31:29 PM
Props to Abbott for fighting the good fight against the foolishness of conventional sports wisdom.  Too bad his own company will continue to treat him as a sideshow. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 07, 2012, 05:21:53 PM
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7649638/rumeal-robinson-journey-michigan-star-incarceration-espn-magazine

So sad.  This story is like the anti-Blind Side.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 07, 2012, 07:23:09 PM
Even Jordan (and Kobe) took years and years to get their post games together, and no-one calls them lazy or unfocused. These things take thousands of hours of practice and even the best will inevitably have some weak spots in their early years due to focusing on what makes them special. In Dwight's case, it is his huge impact on defense - he makes up for 4 other guys. That gift was probably evident early, so that's what he has been coached to do, and that's what his team is built around. He is stiff offensively, so it will likely take hundreds and hundreds MORE hours of practice to get some moves that he can go to against NBA defenses. He can probably do a pretty decent Dream Shake in an empty gym, or guarded by Stan Van Gundy in practice, but he won't bust it out in game 'til he's sure it will work...
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 07, 2012, 07:31:28 PM
But Dwight doesn't really need that many moves since he's so athletic.  All he needs is better touch around the basket and tighter protection of the ball before it goes up. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 07, 2012, 07:41:08 PM
Yeah but you agree that  'better touch around the basket' is either an innate ability or something that takes hundreds of hours of practice, right? If he doesn't have it already, it'll take time. Especially since he has other things to focus on.

Also, people don't remember that he is actually under-sized for a center. Because he can leap and has such amazing shoulders, you don't notice it so much. But he's only 6'9'' - it's not like he can just shoot over everyone.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 07, 2012, 07:50:28 PM
Yes, Dwight is on the smallish side for a center.  My workout partner and I have often wondered whether Dwight's offensive struggles are partly due to his lack of length.  For example, he always struggled against Yao, even after Yao's had a couple of surgeries.   He also wasn't so hot against Gasol in the finals.  Several people have told me that Bynum looks significantly larger than Dwight in person.  Still, Dwight is so athletic that he should be able to go to the other side to get a shot off against a bigger defender. 

With regards to the touch, I think Dwight should have perfected it by now.  It's really not that hard for someone who will always try to get 95% of his points in the paint. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 07, 2012, 10:08:17 PM
lulz. Lakers lost to Pistons and Wizards back to back.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 07, 2012, 10:10:23 PM
Funny how so few in the media are calling out Kobe for his ridiculous selfishness this season.  Best closer in the game! :rofl 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 07, 2012, 10:34:08 PM
If you can't see the difference between a guard adding a low post move to his game and a center I don't know what to tell you.  Perhaps I was wrong to say he was 'lazy' but during warm ups last night he was jacking up 3s.  I know that you don't work on your low post skills during warm ups but it just seems obvious he's content to coast on what he's got, which is incredible athleticism.

If Howard were going to develop a competent low post game we would have seen evidence of it by now, in his 7th season.  It's not coming.  That's fine, like I said he's still obviously the best center in the game.  I just think he should be even better than he is, that's on me not him. 

It also should be remembered that he was among the last few classes to come into the league right out of hs, so it's not surprising that he was so raw offensively coming in.  He's still got time I suppose but I think he's content to be what he is.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 08, 2012, 12:19:30 AM
Here's a thought: how many big men came into the league without any post game, and eventually developed a really good one?  My understanding, from hearsay, is that Kevin McHale and Hakeem came into the league with some effective moves, and I certainly remember Shaq and Zo hitting the ground running.

It might just be one of those "innate" skills that's very difficult to improve more than marginally over the course of a career.  I definitely think "finishing touch" would be under that category too, as someone who's watched Jared Jeffries play a couple hundred games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 08, 2012, 12:30:21 AM
Funny you should mention Shaq as he used to get killed for not having post moves too.  But compared to Dwight he was a post move savant.

In direct contrast to what I saw last night, Al Jefferson absolutely abused Biyombo tonight.  This was a guy who came into the league as a high flyer but a knee injury robbed him of his athleticism.  He's got a nice repertoire of post moves, not sure if he came into the league with them or not.

I think it's probably a reflection of the AAU/HS failures in the US as much as anything.  Two of the best guys in the post in the NBA are foreign, Scola and Gasol.  Might have as much to do with coaching as anything. 

I shouldn't have singled out Dwight, it's not like there's a whole ton of guys in the NBA with an effective post game.  I just think if he had developed a move or two along the way he would be a ton better than he is now.  It was shocking to see a rookie who was so raw people wondered if he could even play in the league this year basically play Dwight straight up, but maybe Biyombo is better than anyone gave him credit for being.  He certainly seems to be a hard worker as he has improved tremendously from where he was earlier this year.

That said, Jefferson had him guessing all night and ended up fouling him out while getting 31 pts on his own.  That's what Dwight should have been able to do, but he wasn't.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 08, 2012, 12:45:30 AM
I'm pretty sure Shaq didn't have any post moves as a rookie. That bank shot and flip hook only arrived after being with the Lakers for a bit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 08, 2012, 12:46:59 AM
That's how I remember it too. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2012, 12:50:49 AM
I played AAU for a year and never ran into a player with a dedicated post game; I played center in junior high and PF in early high school, but once I got to AAU I was moved to SF. I think part of that is because the NBA game has evolved away from the traditional idea of a big man in the post, plus many kids would rather be a shooting guard, or forward that roams the wings/drives. Most of the big guys I ran across seemed like nothing more than defensive anchors.

Shaq was often criticized for not really having a post game, and instead relying on his brute strength. My dad was a pretty big Hakeem fan in the 90s and loved to point out the beauty of his post game, especially when he was out-performing Shaq (my favorite player).

I've never liked Howard's game.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 08, 2012, 01:20:22 AM
Hakeem absolutely embarrassed Shaq when they met in the Finals, a lot of people think that taught Shaq a lesson and made him develop his post game more.  Dwight still has time but he's shown no inclination of putting in the work offensively thus far.

The fact that both Kobe and Jordan, and LeBron this season have developed post games prove it's something that can be worked on, unlike 'touch' or the 'passing gene.'  Post games may come more naturally to some than others but it's not some innate ability that people are born with.  It's something that takes work and dedication.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 08, 2012, 02:19:11 AM
I guess you could argue that Howard's postgame isn't that advanced because he hasn't had a big man to challenge his place atop the center chart.

Of course, if Cousins blows up on him a few more times maybe he'll care. 8)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 08, 2012, 02:20:45 AM
Funny thing about the "passing gene" is that I've always thought of passing as something that could be learned, at least for big men.  Shaq, Tim Duncan, and especially Wilt (obviously a case where I'm going on stats and secondhand observation).
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 08, 2012, 02:41:30 AM
I'd probably agree with that.  It's a lot easier for bigs to see over double teams than it is to do what Stockton, Kidd or Kendall Marshall for UNC can do on fast breaks or hitting people off of quick cuts. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 08, 2012, 02:46:40 AM
There's passing out of traffic and double teams, and then there's seeing the game steps ahead and knowing where teammates will be and getting them the ball. I could immediatly tell with a young Rubio that he was mentally ahead of the entire defense at times. I think the passing gene is also very much a movement of players gene.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 08, 2012, 10:02:02 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 07, 2012, 10:10:23 PM
Funny how so few in the media are calling out Kobe for his ridiculous selfishness this season.  Best closer in the game! :rofl

He was so shit last night. Something like 4 out of his last 23 and still kept chucking it up everytime and never looking for Pau or Bynum. Perfect game to illustrate the idea that Lebron being unselfish isn't nearly the bad thing people make it out to be.

Quote
After the loss to the Wizards (9-29), Brown attributed the second-half meltdown to poor ball movement, an over-reliance on individual play and inconsistent effort on the road -- critiques that have become familiar after L.A. losses.

"It's very simple," Brown said. "In the first half, we played the right way; in the second half, we didn't. We forced shots, and forcing shots is not a good thing for us."

It was easy to surmise that Brown was speaking about Bryant, who scored 30 points but did so on just 9-for-31 shooting. It was his second straight poor shooting night after making just eight of 26 shots in a loss to the Detroit Pistons on Tuesday.

Asked about Bryant's shot selection -- he was 3-for-18 in the second half -- Brown said, "He was one of the guys that I did not think took great shots in the second half. I thought in the first half, our flow was there, and he got great looks and made the game easy. In the second half, our looks weren't as good."

Those comments are well-founded. Bryant did take some ill-advised shots, particularly in the fourth quarter.

However, they landed strangely with several players just a day after Brown said Bryant should be the MVP because of the way he's carried the team offensively this season despite battling through a serious wrist injury and a concussion.

"[Bryant] and I actually talked about that," Brown said Tuesday night before the loss to the Pistons. "We talked about: 'Hey, we're going to have to rely on our defense. I'm going to let you go on offense quite a bit, you're going to have to carry us offensively because there's a stretch of games that we can win, try to get us over .500, start us heading in the right direction.'

"It was, 'Go get it, I'll take care of the defense and we'll go from there.' And he went and did it."

Bryant refused to comment on Brown's criticism of his shot selection, saying only "OK" and "It's fine" when pressed on the situation.

"He was one of the guys".  :lol


He was the only guy. He sucked up all the shots.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 08, 2012, 12:34:28 PM
Another thing, you can see 'passing gene' almost immediately if you know the game.  I knew Kyrie had it in just a couple of games at Duke. 

And not all elite PGs have it.  Not sure if Deron Williams has it (although he has no one really to pass to on NJ, didn't see him play much at Utah.)  Don't think Derrick Rose has it either.

Chris Paul though definitely has it. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 08, 2012, 01:30:56 PM
Is Al Jefferson going to make the All-NBA second team? Billy Rygar, discuss.

Re: Bryant
He's the only player averaging more than 20 shots per game (23.9). He takes 5.5 more shots than James even though his TS% is ten percentage points lower. At least Bryant's good at crunch time.

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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 08, 2012, 02:33:38 PM
Dude was a flat out beast last night.  Most impressive inside player I've seen in person yet this year.

Between him, Favors and Millsap they dominated the offensive boards.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 08, 2012, 04:12:57 PM
Amazing stat that sums up what Howard is doing this year.

Only two players with 3 games of 6 or more blocks are Ibaka and Biyombo.  Biyombo did one of his games against Howard.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 08, 2012, 04:15:26 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on March 08, 2012, 04:00:59 PM
The issue with Kobe is he looks so damn effective when he isn't forcing his offense.

Why can't anyone convince him not to force it?
When Kobe is trying to force it in there, he just won't take "no" for an answer.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on March 08, 2012, 04:16:40 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on March 08, 2012, 04:15:26 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on March 08, 2012, 04:00:59 PM
The issue with Kobe is he looks so damn effective when he isn't forcing his offense.

Why can't anyone convince him not to force it?
When Kobe is trying to force it in there, he just won't take "no" for an answer.

(http://revivalnitelife.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/hiyooo.jpg)   HIYOOOOO
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 08, 2012, 04:21:45 PM
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"I don't think there's a player in the NBA that wants to be a nobody," Howard said after shootaround Thursday morning. "I think everybody wants to be that guy to take the last shot or be that guy that everybody is leaning on, for whatever reason.

"And I don't think there's any problem wanting to be that guy. I've been that guy for this team since I've been here. And my whole life I've been put in the position of leadership, and I take on that role and I love doing it. Just by what people think, it's very tough being a leader."

How many game winners have you hit Dwight?  Shit, they can't even pass it to you in a close game down the stretch for fear of you bricking FTs.  This guy is delusional. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 08, 2012, 04:50:03 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on March 08, 2012, 04:00:59 PM
The issue with Kobe is he looks so damn effective when he isn't forcing his offense.

Why can't anyone convince him not to force it?

There is a school of thought that Kobe takes so many shots because he gets frustrated when Bynum and Gasol are ineffective at leading the team and commit turnovers when they are doubled.

I would argue last night was a prime example of that being bullshit. He couldn't hit shit but kept jacking it up anyway. It was really bad to watch.


When Kobe is on, he's something special but when he is off he's as bad as Iverson ever was.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 08, 2012, 06:53:07 PM
A few thoughts for DJ Tet -

Howard is playing out the string in Orlando waiting to be traded - I wouldn't read a whole lot into chucking a few 3s in warm-ups.

A post-up game depends to a large extent on getting fouled - and as we all know, he can't hit his FTs. It makes more sense for him to make quick moves followed by dunks, lay-ups or short hooks or a kick-out to shooters rather than a 5-10 second series of moves that stops the ball and risks sending him to the line. His shooting % remains stellar, he gets double-teamed almost everywhere, and Orlando is built around those kick-outs - it just isn't that much of a problem for Orlando, offensively.

(PS this is going to be a major issue with Blake Griffin as well - he is trying real hard to diversify his game but he remains stiff and the FTs are killing him. Also, while I'm bitching about one of my favorite players ever, his wind-up on the jumper is sooooo sllooooooow. He really needs to stop telegraphing it. And the FTs - aargh! He does this whole squat motion but doesn't even use it for the shot. Maddening)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 08, 2012, 09:10:00 PM
No doubt that the Magic have built their offense around playing off of Dwight's deficiencies.  What's going to happen when he gets traded to a team without 5 3point shooters? 

And I agree with you about Griffin, it's only his second real year though so let's give him a little time before saying he's going to have the same problem as Dwight.  As a rookie he bested Dwight in scoring in all but one of his years.  He's also got a decent jumper which is something Dwight doesn't have. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 08, 2012, 09:58:24 PM
now you're just hatin'
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 08, 2012, 10:09:04 PM
If Dwight wasn't a special player I wouldn't give a shit one way or the other.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 08, 2012, 10:29:47 PM
Turkeyglu is stupid
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 08, 2012, 11:23:09 PM
Quote from: DJ_Tet on March 08, 2012, 10:09:04 PM
If Dwight wasn't a special player I wouldn't give a shit one way or the other.

Sure. But 'built around Dwight's deficiences' is just :lol  The Magic did not build a $100 million team and $xx million arena around anyone's deficiencies. They did it because he's a player that can take a mediocre team to the Finals with the right breaks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 09, 2012, 12:07:43 AM
It's crazy how VC can still throw down better than most 24 yr olds. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 09, 2012, 12:12:30 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 09, 2012, 12:07:43 AM
It's crazy how VC can still throw fall down better than most 24 yr olds.

fix't
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 09, 2012, 12:16:25 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 08, 2012, 11:23:09 PM
Quote from: DJ_Tet on March 08, 2012, 10:09:04 PM
If Dwight wasn't a special player I wouldn't give a shit one way or the other.

Sure. But 'built around Dwight's deficiences' is just :lol  The Magic did not build a $100 million team and $xx million arena around anyone's deficiencies. They did it because he's a player that can take a mediocre team to the Finals with the right breaks.

Guess you misunderstood me.

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His shooting % remains stellar, he gets double-teamed almost everywhere, and Orlando is built around those kick-outs

They surrounded him with great shooters to play off his strengths and try and cover for his offensive deficiencies.  You agreed.  They weren't wrong to do this, Howard is still the best center in the league by far and a top 5-10 type of player.  Even with his offensive deficiencies.  Any team would be lucky to have Howard.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 09, 2012, 12:18:07 AM
DJ TET, are you Chris Broussard?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story?id=7655677&_slug_=star-guards-excelling-lack-quality-big-men-nba&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fstory%3fid%3d7655677%26_slug_%3dstar-guards-excelling-lack-quality-big-men-nba
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 09, 2012, 12:22:01 AM
I don't have Insider, but I'd have a lot more freckles if I were Chris Brussard.  And money.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 09, 2012, 12:45:06 AM
I think it's just "built around his deficiencies" is a damn weird way to put it.  It's not like San Antonio hasn't always tried to space the floor around Duncan.

What it comes down to for me is how eager everyone seems to be to trash Dwight and speculate on how his he's some how competitively deficient.  I mean, I expect PD to do it, because he only follows the sport to talk shit about great players.  But everyone else?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 09, 2012, 12:54:21 AM
Mandark, you and Cormac are too kind on the players though.  Last year, I called out Carmelo for being overrated but you both shot me down. 

Dwight is a great player but his slow offensive improvement is pretty glaring for someone that talented atheletically.   
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 09, 2012, 01:14:10 AM
Lulz, I remember that conversation, and if you want to open this round of Rehash the Internet Arguments with the classic Disingenuous Summary gambit, I'm game.  Or we can just dig up the actual quotes and I'm pretty sure both Cormac and said explicitly that he wasn't in the same class as LeBron and Wade, but was a really good player.  At which point you said you didn't even disagree with us.

But seriously.  Tons of fans seem to follow sports mostly so they can kvetch about players who are playing at a level that's literally impossible to achieve for all except a few dozen people on the entire planet.  Where's the fun in that?  Well, schadenfreude, okay.  But I've got politics for that.  Sports are meant to be fun.

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Or maddeningly tribal.  But again, politics.
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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 09, 2012, 01:18:03 AM
I admit I've got a bias against ball hogs even though I was once a huge Iverson fan.  Kobe and Melo are 1 and 2 on my most overrated list. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 09, 2012, 01:27:14 AM
I don't have a real rooting interest in the NBA, so I find a lot of the hate laughable.

DJ Tet - I'd say a reasonable way to phrase it is 'Built around his strengths AND weaknesses'. Not that the Magic are the smartest men in the room or anything, but they've done a fair job of recognizing both aspects of Howard's game. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 09, 2012, 01:51:52 AM
I think you take this stuff too personally.  It's not like I just came in here to rag on Dwight.

I actually went to an NBA game and shared what I saw.  He basically got owned by a rookie.

Had I gone to the Bulls game tonight, I would have had a slightly different take.  But I'm hardly the first to say this stuff about Dwight.  I do think the Magic have done a good job of building around his skills, which makes it kind of funny that he's still so eager to leave.

Like I said, what's it going to be like if he goes to a team that doesn't have a ton of shooters?  Will be a lot easier to double him then and when he's doubled it will probably be easier to keep him off the offensive glass.

Bobcats didn't double him and he had 17 boards.  So, you pick your poison.  I don't know how many times I can say he's the best center in the league, that is obvious to anyone who watches the game.  I just wish his game had expanded over the years.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 09, 2012, 01:55:17 AM
This is how the internet works, I'm afraid. I agree with most of what you said, but saying that would be boring so the only thing we actually end up talking about is what I disagreed with. I'm certainly not taking anything personally!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 09, 2012, 01:59:26 AM
That's good to know  :)

I would have spouted my opinion anywhere.  In fact I spouted it several times at the game probably to the consternation of Magic fans sitting around me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 09, 2012, 02:02:57 AM
He's very far from my favorite player...these days that is Blake Griffin, Rondo and LeBron in some order. And I certainly wouldn't hold any of them as being above reproach...ragging on players is all part of the game. As long as we have Mandark around to keep us honest, there's no real harm in it I suppose :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 09, 2012, 02:04:29 AM
Yeah I'm not sure where I came up with that nugget.  Must have transposed your Blake love for Dwight love.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 09, 2012, 02:06:22 AM
Is it possible that Rondo is a poor shooter because of his abnormally long arms?  I heard that from a former NCAA player. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 09, 2012, 02:10:43 AM
I think it's because he barely shoots.

I believe this to be true: Last year, Rondo was the best 3pt shooter in the league, because any time he was open for a 3, he'd just throw the lob to KG or Shaq and it worked about 80% of the time. Why would he ever ACTUALLY shoot it?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 09, 2012, 03:45:03 AM
Why on earth is Phoenix not prepared to trade Nash? It's insane. He's dragging them to the playoffs when they should be trading him for value and a trip to the lottery.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 09, 2012, 04:46:13 PM
NBA MVP Candidates
SportsNation Rankings

1. Kevin Durant: 232,978 (points), 3,570 (first place votes)

2. LeBron James: 221,458, 7,272

3. Kobe Bryant: 215,853, 5,878


Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 09, 2012, 07:08:32 PM
If the Knicks don't win tonight, they got issues. It's actually a playoff type game since I think the bucks are the only team that could challenge for that 8th playoff spot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 09, 2012, 07:11:00 PM
Many of the Kobe fanboys pick KD as the MVP because they know Kobe has no chance to win it.  They just don't want Lebron to win another one. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 09, 2012, 08:52:43 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 09, 2012, 07:08:32 PM
If the Knicks don't win tonight, they got issues. It's actually a playoff type game since I think the bucks are the only team that could challenge for that 8th playoff spot.

The Knicks will continue to have issues as long as they're built around two second-tier stars in their late 20s who can't play D making $20 million each.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on March 09, 2012, 09:19:59 PM
 :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2012, 09:25:07 PM
What a shame a group of greedy thugs are ruining Lin's chances at the playoffs. He plays the right way
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 09, 2012, 10:34:00 PM
Poor Mike Brown.  :lol


Quote
On second glance, Los Angeles Lakers coach Mike Brown said that it wasn't poor shot selection from Kobe Bryant or anyone else that cost the Lakers in their epic collapse against the Washington Wizards on Wednesday night.

"I thought we had three or four guys that took bad shots that led to run outs and we didn't," Brown said after the team's Friday morning shootaround in Minneapolis. "I thought we took great shots. We missed shots in the second half, but we took great shots."

So his postgame criticism of Bryant's 9-for-31 shooting performance was off-base?

More on the Lakers

For more news, notes and analysis of the Lakers, check out the Land O' Lakers blog from the Kamenetzky Brothers. Blog

"I thought Kobe, as well as three other guys, I said to all of those guys in the film session: 'I was wrong, your shot selection was fine,'" Brown said.


http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7668210/mike-brown-backtracks-says-los-angeles-lakers-shot-selection-not-problem
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 09, 2012, 10:40:11 PM
Carmelo having another shit shooting night. He's just been awful this season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 10, 2012, 12:19:15 AM
Kobe also had another shit game again.  Luckily for him, the refs bailed him out.  Calling a block that didn't do much to impede his progress was BS for such a tightly contested game. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 10, 2012, 12:52:53 AM
Meanwhile, the Cavs beat the Thunder in OKC.  Cleveland was playing great defense and Durant couldn't get anything going.  Irving was clutch at the end.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 10, 2012, 01:51:40 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/2qLDe.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 10, 2012, 01:59:39 AM
Swab DNA test.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 10, 2012, 05:23:33 AM
Irving has now clinched 4 games, which is like 10% of the NBA games he has PLAYED and he is still 19. Bow down everybody
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 10, 2012, 05:58:45 AM
Can't believe he only played 8 games at dook  :'(

Could tell he was special right away.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 10, 2012, 10:40:11 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByQ4A9nx6k4

Surprised people aren't talking about the fact that Rubio might be done for the season depending on how the MRI comes back.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 10, 2012, 11:57:00 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 10, 2012, 10:40:11 AM

Surprised people aren't talking about the fact that Rubio might be done for the season depending on how the MRI comes back.

Two words: mini soda
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 10, 2012, 04:45:14 PM
Quote
Minnesota Timberwolves guard Ricky Rubio suffered a torn ACL Friday night and is out for the season, a team source told ESPN.com's TrueHoop.

Rubio, who had 15 points, 10 assists and four rebounds in Friday's 105-102 loss to the Los Angeles Lakers, had to be helped off the floor in the final 16 seconds after his left knee buckled as he tried to help out on defense against Kobe Bryant.

He immediately clutched his knee and had to be carried off the court by teammates Martell Webster and Derrick Williams.

Rubio had an MRI on Saturday that revealed the torn ligament, sucking the wind out of a team that had been brimming with confidence thanks in part to his flashy passing that energized a club that lost 132 games over the previous two seasons.

In his first season after coming from Spain, the 21-year-old was averaging 10.6 points and 8.2 assists, but his impact has been so much greater than his numbers.

The floppy-haired, irrepressible young point guard changed the dynamic of a rebuilding team almost from the moment he set foot in Minnesota. His unselfish play galvanized his teammates, and his fun-loving nature has been an immediate draw at the box office, where the Timberwolves have already sold out seven games this season, their most since 2006-07.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 10, 2012, 05:30:33 PM
That sucks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 10, 2012, 07:22:11 PM
fuck.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 10, 2012, 08:39:54 PM
Terrible news.  I was really looking forward to seeing Minn in the playoffs.  Love is one of my favorite players but without League Pass I never get to see them play.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 10, 2012, 08:44:55 PM
And by the way, fuck this guy in the ass:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/holes-jeremy-lin-game-plain-ny-knicks-linsanity-hit-skids-article-1.1036741

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 10, 2012, 08:56:55 PM
(http://h9.abload.de/img/untitled-2wzylt.gif)

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 10, 2012, 09:10:30 PM
lol wtf?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 10, 2012, 10:41:25 PM
Wolves drop to the Hornets at home. Adelman normally handles injuries extremely well, but Rubio was the engine that kept that team from self-destructing out of habit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 10, 2012, 11:15:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOzo4pHTZ-M
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 11, 2012, 12:28:09 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnyazvtC0_U
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 11, 2012, 05:55:33 AM
haha, if LeBron had passed on THAT shot, the haters would have had something to hate on
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 11, 2012, 06:52:28 AM
Odom is worse than Jay Cutler.

That is all.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 11, 2012, 09:14:53 PM
Lin is struggling big time recently. 5 of 18 today. 6 turnovers. His season FG% is down to 46%. Which is decent for a PG but still.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 11, 2012, 09:42:53 PM
Amare did his part: 9 points, 5 rebounds, 0 assists.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2012, 12:28:16 AM
ANYBODY WANT SOME MAGIC JOHNSON

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8Qbo0WqvOI
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 12, 2012, 12:38:55 AM
Probably the most fun player to ever watch play the game. I'm so glad I grew up on 80's basketball.


The funny bit is that I hated him and the lakers as a kid. My older brother grew up as Celtics fan so I adopted that team in the 80's. We were probably the only two black kids in America that liked the Celtics instead of the Lakers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2012, 12:48:23 AM
Wish I had. When I first heard Mother's Milk (in 89), I had no idea who this Magic Johnson was. Had never seen a second of the Lakers playing. I missed his whole career other than that last All Star Game he played in :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 12, 2012, 12:51:55 AM
The Celtics Lakers rivalry was amazing. The best sporting thing of my life. When they played each other during the regular reason it was like a finals game the quality of play was so good.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2012, 02:03:41 AM
Jealous. I've seen a few of those Finals games of course but not the same without the build-up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 12, 2012, 02:41:20 AM
Watching the Magic Johnson documentary tonight just reminded me how bad ass the NBA was in the 80s and early 90s.  It's just not the same anymore, really sad  :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on March 12, 2012, 10:02:27 AM
(http://www.imgnook.com/ar3ARo.gif)

hehe
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2012, 08:42:11 PM
Knicks looking a bit sharper today but the Bulls are not the kind of team you want to face on the road on a 5 game losing streak.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 12, 2012, 08:51:31 PM
That block by Lin on Rose was pretty awesome.  His athleticism still surprises me even though I've already seen it on display so many times.  I guess it's really hard to lose the subconscious racial stereotyping. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2012, 09:02:31 PM
Lin takes issue with that, for sure...he had a nice quote along the lines of 'People call me deceptively athletic or deceptively quick, and I'm not sure what's deceptive'.

He has a point.

And for god's sake, would everyone stop calling Kevin Love unathletic or ground-bound or any of the other shit? He has a 35'' vertical and has finished some major alley-oops this year. He's not Blake Griffin but he's not Steve Kerr either.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 12, 2012, 09:09:49 PM
Yeah, at Kevin Love's size, it's almost impossible in today's NBA to grab that many rebounds without quite a bit of athleticism. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2012, 09:11:55 PM
I wish I could be that unathletic!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 12, 2012, 09:18:58 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2012, 09:02:31 PM
And for god's sake, would everyone stop calling Kevin Love unathletic or ground-bound or any of the other shit?
But he's white.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2012, 09:21:24 PM
Ask any T-Wolves observer who they think is more athletic, Love or Beasley, then hit them with the numbers from the combine:

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I'm not advocating anyone taking Kevin Love over Michael Beasley, but take a look at these measurements from the draft combine: Michael Beasley, Kansas State Height: 6'7" (6'8 1/2" in shoes) Wingspan: 7'0 1/4" Standing Reach: 8'11" Body Fat: 7.7% Vertical Jump (no step): 30" Vertical Jump (max): 35" Bench Press: 19 Lane Agility: 11.06 3/4 Court Sprint: 3.24 Kevin Love, UCLA Height: 6'7 3/4" (6'9 1/2") Wingspan: 6'11 1/4" Standing Reach: 8'10" Body Fat: 12.9% Vertical Jump (no step): 29.5" Vertical Jump (max): 35" Bench Press: 18 Lane Agility: 11.17 3/4 Court Sprint: 3.22 Here's what ESPN's Chad Ford had to say about their combine workouts: (Read the rest after the jump.)

http://www.yardbarker.com/college_basketball/articles/michael_beasley_vs_kevin_love_by_the_numbers/274017
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 12, 2012, 09:27:54 PM
I remember arguing with people on a couple forums about Love before/during that Draft. Nobody had any explanation for why he was supposedly "too slow and unathletic" and "won't be a star, maybe a starter for a few years", etc. All his numbers were great but those evaluations were just repeated endlessly over and over. And if ever backed up they pointed to scouting reports that all said the same thing. I remember one site was saying he'd be a shorter Matt Geiger at best.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 12, 2012, 09:35:17 PM
Forgot Knicks were playing the bulls. I'll catch the 2nd half.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2012, 09:37:57 PM
Remember all the raving about Joe Alexander's amazing athleticism and range? He went #8 in that draft, 3 spots behind Love; now he's in the D-League.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 12, 2012, 09:38:03 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 12, 2012, 09:27:54 PM
I remember arguing with people on a couple forums about Love before/during that Draft. Nobody had any explanation for why he was supposedly "too slow and unathletic" and "won't be a star, maybe a starter for a few years", etc. All his numbers were great but those evaluations were just repeated endlessly over and over. And if ever backed up they pointed to scouting reports that all said the same thing. I remember one site was saying he'd be a shorter Matt Geiger at best.

It's the white man's burden. All white non-euro players get stereo-typed into not really an nba player until they prove it.


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/Adam_Morrison.jpg/220px-Adam_Morrison.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2012, 09:40:20 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 12, 2012, 09:35:17 PM
Forgot Knicks were playing the bulls. I'll catch the 2nd half.

I'm watching live now also, hit me with your play-by-play!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2012, 09:42:00 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 12, 2012, 09:38:03 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 12, 2012, 09:27:54 PM
I remember arguing with people on a couple forums about Love before/during that Draft. Nobody had any explanation for why he was supposedly "too slow and unathletic" and "won't be a star, maybe a starter for a few years", etc. All his numbers were great but those evaluations were just repeated endlessly over and over. And if ever backed up they pointed to scouting reports that all said the same thing. I remember one site was saying he'd be a shorter Matt Geiger at best.

It's the white man's burden. All white non-euro players get stero-typed into not really an nba player until they prove it.


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/Adam_Morrison.jpg/220px-Adam_Morrison.jpg)

Well, that's true in most cases. It's also true for most black players. Looking through past drafts is always fun for that reason. The superstars are usually obvious but everyone else is a crap shoot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2012, 09:47:19 PM
I feel like a Bulls-Knicks series would go 4-1 but the '1' would be insanely entertaining
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 12, 2012, 09:55:27 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2012, 09:47:19 PM
I feel like a Bulls-Knicks series would go 4-1 but the '1' would be insanely entertaining

Knicks might not even make it though. If they lose tonight they are tied for the 8th spot with the Bucks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 12, 2012, 10:08:06 PM
And Cleveland has a really easy March.  If they win a lot of games this month, Cleveland has a very good shot at being the 8 seed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2012, 10:10:20 PM
Yeah, Hollinger was not optimistic on their chances the other day.

Somehow knew that Baron would take a crappy 3 there. Good game though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 12, 2012, 10:14:57 PM
Knicks getting murdered on the boards but the Bulls do that to a lot of teams.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2012, 10:20:48 PM
Offensive goaltending - what exactly is the problem with it? Chandler just got hit with one, and I really don't get how it makes the game better. The ball was still in the cylinder, but it wasn't going in. Chandler beats his man and makes a good play (and often one which requires a spectacular, crowd-pleasing burst of athleticism...), and the Knicks get nothing for it. Why do we need this rule, again?

I mean, if the ball rebounds at a slightly different angle, it's a spectacular offensive rebound + put-back dunk. Everyone loves those!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 12, 2012, 10:21:22 PM
Nasty Rose play. That was the exclamation point.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 12, 2012, 10:21:45 PM
There were also heavy stereotypes about Euro's being "soft" and "unproven" and I'm not sure it's necessarily racial in origin but instead that problem of trying to fit a whole range of players into one simple evaluation. Every SF who can handle the ball a little is Scottie Pippen, every 6-7 PG is Penny Hardaway. Every fat seven footer is "baby" Shaq. Every tall Euro was Dirk. Every high quality point guard for a while seemed to be compared to Stephon Marbury, now they're Derrick Rose. How many "baby" Jordan's were there outside of Harold Miner, every big scoring SG down to nbadraft.net's infamous comparison for DeShawn Stevenson (http://nbadraft.net/players/deshawn-stevenson).

There was an article back when the Nets signed Todd MacCulloch comparing it to the Sonics signing Jim McIlvaine. But one guy was a leaper with no other skills while the other was floorbound post-player with good hands. Yet they were both 7 foot, white and had "Mc/Mac" in their name so clearly it was the same!

And there were these notions about Darko that he was a sweet shooting Toni Kukoc/Dirk Nowitzki style player and thus would play small forward, even though nothing he did in Europe suggested he had that skill set. Teams were pillaged for years for taking European "projects" (even that notion that because they don't come over right away they're "projects") over "proven" college players like Jeryl Sasser and Kareem Rush. Yao was supposed to be this clear bust and the Rockets would forever regret not taking superstars Jay Williams or Mike Dunleavy.

But like I said it's not just racial stereotypes because you have things like how Rasheed Wallace was considered this crazy troublemaker due to his technicals and thrown in with the other malcontents, even though he basically never fought with his coach, opposing players or did cheap shots, mostly because he didn't talk to reporters, yet Juwan Howard was this "model citizen" because he graduated from college, was friendly to the media, etc. yet was racking up tons of flagrant fouls/tripping guys/etc. for years.
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2012, 09:42:00 PM
Looking through past drafts is always fun for that reason.
I like the "best case/worst cases" on DraftExpress, Beasley:
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Best Case: Amare Stoudemire Meets Antawn Jamison
Worst Case: Derrick Coleman
Cousins:
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Best Case: Taller Al Jefferson
Worst Case: Derrick Coleman/Eric Dampier
I can't find it now but there's a player from one draft who had Best Case: Sam Cassell/Worst Case: Lee Mayberry. I think I've seen a Best Case: Less athletic Hakeem Olajuwon/Worst Case: Eric Mobley on there too.

Edit: Brandon Jennings has:
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Best Case: Tony Parker
Worst Case: Sebastian Telfair
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2012, 10:23:34 PM
The Bulls are reminding me of the better iterations of AI's Sixers. One guy breaks down the defense, everyone else rebounds and defends hard.

Also, Melo passing up a shot against Kyle Korver. sigh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 12, 2012, 10:23:55 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2012, 10:20:48 PM
Offensive goaltending - what exactly is the problem with it? Chandler just got hit with one, and I really don't get how it makes the game better. The ball was still in the cylinder, but it wasn't going in. Chandler beats his man and makes a good play (and often one which requires a spectacular, crowd-pleasing burst of athleticism...), and the Knicks get nothing for it. Why do we need this rule, again?

I mean, if the ball rebounds at a slightly different angle, it's a spectacular offensive rebound + put-back dunk. Everyone loves those!
Aren't they going to change that rule? I know the D-League switched to allowing touching balls on the rim supposedly as a test-bed for the NBA rule change.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2012, 10:27:26 PM
Well, it's a big league - 500 active players to keep track of, at least 50 new players coming in every year. I understand why the shorthand you describe exists. It doesn't help that a lot of the public commentators blatantly stopped following the minutiae of the league the day they cashed their last NBA paycheck. Maybe one day we'll have people like Hollinger and Abbott and Pruitt and Pelton doing color and a lot of the bullshit will get swept away....(probably not)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 12, 2012, 10:28:00 PM
To be honest I kinda wish we could just skip ahead to the Bulls and the Heat as far as the eastern conference.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 12, 2012, 10:28:46 PM
Biyombo with the game-winning block of Ariza's dunk attempt feels good man  :-*
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2012, 10:28:51 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 12, 2012, 10:23:55 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2012, 10:20:48 PM
Offensive goaltending - what exactly is the problem with it? Chandler just got hit with one, and I really don't get how it makes the game better. The ball was still in the cylinder, but it wasn't going in. Chandler beats his man and makes a good play (and often one which requires a spectacular, crowd-pleasing burst of athleticism...), and the Knicks get nothing for it. Why do we need this rule, again?

I mean, if the ball rebounds at a slightly different angle, it's a spectacular offensive rebound + put-back dunk. Everyone loves those!
Aren't they going to change that rule? I know the D-League switched to allowing touching balls on the rim supposedly as a test-bed for the NBA rule change.

Definitely worth experimenting with. I'd like to hear an argument for it other than 'but that's the way we always do it'. (which is bullshit because the rules get tweaked every year)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 12, 2012, 10:28:59 PM
Lin with a bad turnover  :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 12, 2012, 10:31:27 PM
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The Orlando Magic's strategy for the moment on Dwight Howard, according to sources close to the process, calls for spending the next 48 hours or so making one last hard push to acquire the sort of difference-maker that would encourage Howard to commit his long-term future to the team that drafted him in 2004.


If no newcomer is acquired by Wednesday, sources said, Magic officials plan to spend the final 24 hours before Thursday's 3 p.m. deadline evaluating all of their trade options and then deciding Thursday whether to stick to their long-standing desire to roll the dice and keep Howard beyond the deadline or make the best available trade.

As part of this process, one source said, Orlando will continue to seek a "definitive answer" from Howard about his future and hold out hope that he'd at least agree to exercise the option for next season on his current contract to give their marriage at least one more year. But Howard, according to associates, is determined to become a free agent in July in order to have complete control of his future and get to one of the top two destinations on his wish list: New Jersey or Dallas.

The Magic will thus have to decide Thursday if they can bear to keep Howard past the deadline as owner Richard DeVos wants and expose themselves to the possibility that the 26-year-old could walk away for nothing in July -- a la Shaquille O'Neal in the summer of 1996 -- or make the best possible trade they can make this week at the 11th hour.

Magic officials have been telling teams for weeks that they intend to keep Howard at DeVos' behest. The thinking there, sources said, is that the Magic still like their chances of changing Howard's mind -- believing that a successful playoff run or his deep roots in the Orlando community will ultimately make it hard to leave -- better than anything they can get in a trade.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2012, 10:35:40 PM
time for the Nets and Dallas to start spreading FUD about Nash and Rondo then :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 12, 2012, 10:41:06 PM
Knicks weren't going to win it anyway but that was a ridiculous 3 attempt.

Anyone think the rumours are true that the Knicks would make a run at Phil Jackson if they fire D'Antoni?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 12, 2012, 10:43:36 PM
Carmelo's laziness is so disgusting.  Loose ball is right at his feet and he just takes his sweet time getting it.  D'anthoni looked pissed as fuck but didn't do anything about it.  I think that would have been a good time to bench Melo for the rest of the game as a message to the whole time.  "You play hard or you don't play at all."   
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 12, 2012, 10:44:54 PM
Hasn't Phil Jackson coming back home to save the Knicks been a rumor since 1999?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2012, 10:45:14 PM
I think they should but it's hard to imagine Phil staying very long. They have a more realistic shot at him now that they are no longer 'rebuilding'. Their core is pretty much set now, which is the kind of situation Phil seems to like and do well in (not that he's ever really done badly so hard to tell of course...)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 12, 2012, 10:46:50 PM
I'm pretty sure that Jackson would be pretty quick to demand a Melo trade if he played like this for Jackson. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2012, 10:47:00 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 12, 2012, 10:43:36 PM
Carmelo's laziness is so disgusting.  Loose ball is right at his feet and he just takes his sweet time getting it.  D'anthoni looked pissed as fuck but didn't do anything about it.  I think that would have been a good time to bench Melo for the rest of the game as a message to the whole time.  "You play hard or you don't play at all."   

Agree about the lack of hustle but...he was benched in the 4Q in the last game, along with Amare. D'Antoni isn't really in a position to be benching all-stars regularly right now, sadly.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 12, 2012, 10:47:34 PM
It probably depends on his hips and back, can't he barely walk?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 12, 2012, 10:50:21 PM
That's Stoudemire.  Carmelo is fine. 

Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2012, 10:47:00 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 12, 2012, 10:43:36 PM
Carmelo's laziness is so disgusting.  Loose ball is right at his feet and he just takes his sweet time getting it.  D'anthoni looked pissed as fuck but didn't do anything about it.  I think that would have been a good time to bench Melo for the rest of the game as a message to the whole time.  "You play hard or you don't play at all."   

Agree about the lack of hustle but...he was benched in the 4Q in the last game, along with Amare. D'Antoni isn't really in a position to be benching all-stars regularly right now, sadly.

D'Antoni is a good coach but it seems like he's lost this team.  Even HOF coaches usually haven't been able to survive situations like this.   It's almost a certainty that he will be fired by the end of the season. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2012, 10:51:43 PM
That's either a hilarious mistake or a fantastic diss on Amare :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2012, 11:28:17 PM
Bill Simmons is doing color on the Clips - Celts game btw, worth a listen if you're a fan.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 12, 2012, 11:38:11 PM
I can't stand Simmons' voice.  It's so dorky which is completely at odds with the cool guy image that he tries to portray. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2012, 11:55:52 PM
Not a great radio voice, I agree, but I'm so used to it from the podcasts I don't care.

C-Webb has also been great in the few games he calls recently. Would like to hear him do more.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 13, 2012, 12:03:58 AM
Enjoyed when Barry and Simmons were bitching about Blake playing too hard and trying to dunk too much just as Blake soared in for the reverse alley-oop finish and their jaws audibly hit the floor :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 13, 2012, 12:12:38 AM
Does Simmon also spout his random pop culture references or conventional basketball wisdom that has been disproved by stats? 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 13, 2012, 12:14:42 AM
Agree on Simmons' voice.  Don't listen to the podcast, so it usually kills it for me when he does PTI.

I do like his basketball stuff a lot more than his other work, since he obviously cares about and really follows the league.  Still has his infuriating tics but he's also sometimes willing to admit when he got things wrong, which is pretty refreshing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2012, 12:24:30 AM
I like Simmons. Always have. I know you're supposed to hate him or something but I don't.


People like Rick Reilly are who I can't stand reading or listening to.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 13, 2012, 12:50:37 AM
I used to a be Simmons fan until he got so egotistical that he can't stop mentioning how he'd solve all the NBA's problems if he were to run it for a day. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 13, 2012, 01:04:19 AM
and he's a fucking patriots fan  :yuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 13, 2012, 01:33:16 AM
I wonder how he dealt with Tom Brady being buddy buddy with Kobe.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2012, 02:00:15 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 13, 2012, 12:50:37 AM
I used to a be Simmons fan until he got so egotistical that he can't stop mentioning how he'd solve all the NBA's problems if he were to run it for a day.

I also find that annoying sometimes along with how his boston bias is a blinder for him sometimes although he's often aware of it. To be fair though the same thing often happens in this thread and on this forum or any forum and in real life everyday on just about every subject. Everybody thinks their an expert nowadays on everything. I just find his writing more entertaining than the average posters lets say.  :)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 13, 2012, 02:13:34 AM
You can call out Simmons and if the responses are strong enough, he'll address it in reply. I saw it happen when he dismissed Sacramento's moving situation.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2012, 10:18:33 AM
TJ Ford forced to retire. Sucks



http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7676569/san-antonio-spurs-tj-ford-retiring-latest-injury-neck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2012, 11:32:00 AM
I would argue Simmons is a comedy writer doing sports and podcasts. Not sure why people get angry reading his stuff considering the context. Now whether somebody finds him funny is subjective. Mosts sport writers though are doing "serious" writing so they think. Every thing Simmons write is pretty much with tongue planted firmly in cheek. He writes and talks about Jersey Shore for goodness sakes.

David Brooks ain't doing comedy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on March 13, 2012, 08:51:58 PM
I AM SO HAPPY RIGHT NOW
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 13, 2012, 08:58:36 PM
Yeah, team makes a lot more sense now...Jackson can get some kind of a defensive line-up out there occasionally now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on March 13, 2012, 09:03:11 PM
Shut Curry down, Bogut is gone. Tank mode is on and hopefully we can keep our pick.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 13, 2012, 09:12:59 PM
Amnesty Jackson in the offseason too, I'd imagine...would that give them much cap space?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 13, 2012, 09:15:41 PM
They can't, they already amnestied Charlie Bell. Plus you can't amnesty traded players.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 13, 2012, 09:21:17 PM
In that case...prepare for some more hilarious Stephen Jackson interviews about veteran leadership :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on March 13, 2012, 09:24:48 PM
JAX expires next year. It's not a big deal. The main thing is keeping the pick this year. Tank express headed for Kidd-Gilchrist!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 13, 2012, 09:29:06 PM
I thought he makes $10 million next year, which would be a big deal if he gives them nothing but still bitches at playing time etc...
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 13, 2012, 09:36:58 PM
Howard is trying to get a close game in his last home game as a Magic.  OT there with Miami.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 13, 2012, 10:10:11 PM
I was watching the Heat-Magic game with my dad who is a very casual basketball fan.  He kept asking why Howard is so coveted when he is such a horrible scorer.  My dad says that all Howard does is spin around with no purpose before throwing up a shot that is usually a brick.  :lol

I kept trying to explaing Howard's value in the other aspects of the game but my dad wouldn't listen.  He insisted that Orlando should just trade him because that's not a player that you build around to win a championship.  I think PD would have loved talking about Howard with my dad. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 13, 2012, 10:10:39 PM
Eh, who are they going to trade him for? Bynum? I'm guessing they just let him walk and blow the team up at this point...
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 13, 2012, 10:13:58 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 13, 2012, 10:10:39 PM
Eh, who are they going to trade him for? Bynum? I'm guessing they just let him walk and blow the team up at this point...

Orlanda goes to the playoffs this year, then they need to really focus on FA/rebuilding in the next two/three seasons.  They're going to be bad without Howard, so they'll get a good lottery draft for several seasons.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 13, 2012, 10:14:15 PM
I'm not watching Heat-Magic but apparently Dwight has 24pts-26rebs-3stl-2blks...I pity l'il Smooth trying to impress Daddy with his grade school play :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 13, 2012, 10:15:50 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 13, 2012, 10:13:58 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 13, 2012, 10:10:39 PM
Eh, who are they going to trade him for? Bynum? I'm guessing they just let him walk and blow the team up at this point...

Orlanda goes to the playoffs this year, then they need to really focus on FA/rebuilding in the next two/three seasons.  They're going to be bad without Howard, so they'll get a good lottery draft for several seasons.

Yeah, but you just said this was his last home game, as if you expect him to be traded? Are they still mathematically a lock for the playoffs even if they trade him then?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 13, 2012, 10:17:59 PM
I think they'll trade him, yes.  They'll probably be a 5 or 6 seed if Howard is traded, I think.  The bottom of the East possibles aren't that good to get really hot in the next few months.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 13, 2012, 10:21:51 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 13, 2012, 10:10:11 PM
I was watching the Heat-Magic game with my dad who is a very casual basketball fan.  He kept asking why Howard is so coveted when he is such a horrible scorer.  My dad says that all Howard does is spin around with no purpose before throwing up a shot that is usually a brick.  :lol

I kept trying to explaing Howard's value in the other aspects of the game but my dad wouldn't listen.  He insisted that Orlando should just trade him because that's not a player that you build around to win a championship.  I think PD would have loved talking about Howard with my dad.

Well he's right

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on March 13, 2012, 10:24:45 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 13, 2012, 09:29:06 PM
I thought he makes $10 million next year, which would be a big deal if he gives them nothing but still bitches at playing time etc...

He does, expires after next season (12/13). They did the trade today to see if they could re-route him before the deadline. I don't see Jax being a problem in Oakland again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 13, 2012, 10:36:50 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 13, 2012, 10:14:15 PM
I'm not watching Heat-Magic but apparently Dwight has 24pts-26rebs-3stl-2blks...I pity l'il Smooth trying to impress Daddy with his grade school play :lol

He did miss 4 straight FTs in the OT while laughing the whole time like he didn't care.  Heat couldn't capitalize but it still looked pretty bad for a team captain. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 13, 2012, 10:42:25 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 13, 2012, 10:36:50 PM


He did miss 4 straight FTs in the OT while laughing the whole time like he didn't care.

shocking  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2012, 02:12:29 AM
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/7684157/mike-dantoni-lost-new-york-knicks-locker-room-according-sources (http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/7684157/mike-dantoni-lost-new-york-knicks-locker-room-according-sources)
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D'Antoni, hailed as an offensive genius during his successful tenure in Phoenix, has lost the Knicks' locker room, the sources say.

"The players like Mike as a person," one source said. "They think he's a good guy. But he doesn't have the respect of the team anymore."

...

In addition to questioning D'Antoni, players are complaining about playing time, and confused about the offensive and defensive schemes.

...

Management, the coaching staff and the players know Anthony is hurting the offense and in turn, the defensive morale, according to the sources. While D'Antoni's offense calls for Anthony to plant himself on the wing at the 3-point line, he often creeps in to his favorite spot in the floor -- the area between the elbow, the arc and the post. That kills the Knicks' ability to run the high pick-and-roll and ruins the spacing that is so critical to D'Antoni's offense.

"That's at the very core of our problem," one person close to the situation said. "That messes up the fluidity of the offense. Melo could do it, but he's got to trust the offense."

When Anthony first returned -- and it still appears to be the case -- Lin would bring the ball up court and try to run D'Antoni's system. When Anthony would abandon the offense, Lin would not pass him the ball, which irritated Anthony, sources said. So when Lin tried to talk to Anthony on the court, Anthony would turn his back to the point guard and tune him out. The two never had heated exchanges, though, and the players tried to come to a compromise, agreeing to run D'Antoni's system while also mixing in post-ups for Anthony.

"But it's just a mess because D'Antoni's system is not designed for that," one source said.

Despite his often poor body language, many of the players believe Anthony is trying to adjust and sincerely wants to win. He has told people close to him that he is being asked to do things he's never done, saying that throughout his career he has always had plenty of post-up opportunities and that he is uncomfortable standing on the wing spacing the floor.

"Half the team is trying to do what coach says and the other half is doing something different," one source said. "Then it spills over to the defensive end because players are (ticked) off about somebody taking a bad shot."

...

Some players believe D'Antoni had the leverage to force Anthony to adjust to his system when he first returned from injury. The Knicks were rolling, showing they could win without Anthony, and their fan base was believing in D'Antoni's system. If D'Antoni had checked Anthony, perhaps even benching him, when he strayed from the offense, the players and fans would have been behind the coach and Anthony would have had no choice but to conform. But D'Antoni, ever the one to avoid confrontation with his players, would not do it, and now it's too late. That's when he lost the locker room for good.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2012, 02:51:51 AM
Bad situation there. Probably only a last-minute Steve Nash trade could save D'Antoni now, if it's that bad.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on March 14, 2012, 02:54:19 AM
smh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 14, 2012, 03:17:25 AM
I have this feeling that getting blown out by a shorthanded warriors team at home is going to get someone on the Kings traded in a panic cry by the Maloofs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 14, 2012, 03:30:07 AM
Awesome-o, please stop with that BS.  I know you don't wanna face the truth but Lebron is by far the best player in the world atm.  There's no 1 for 1 trade for Lebron that makes sense for the heat. 

Speaking of trades, I wonder how the trade would out for the Bucks.  I can already smell a silent feud between Jennings and Ellis.  Two undersized shoot first guards have never worked out well in the NBA. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2012, 03:34:43 AM
True that in isolation, it doesn't make sense...but the resulting Heat line-up kinda does.

I wonder if they could amnesty Bosh and sign Howard at a slight discount as a FA, that would be just insane. Wade, LeBron and D-12, sweet mamma
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 14, 2012, 03:39:14 AM
But Bosh is too good to use the amnesty on.  Maybe Heat could pull some under the table deal with Stern's approval to get something in return.  Anything is possible after the CP3 trade. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2012, 03:39:27 AM
Amnestying Bosh won't put them under the cap.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2012, 03:43:34 AM
I guess not. But thinking about it sure makes you realize the gulf between Bosh (a reputed superstar) and Dwight (2nd best in the league), doesn't it?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on March 14, 2012, 07:19:36 AM
Quote from: etiolate on March 14, 2012, 03:17:25 AM
I have this feeling that getting blown out by a shorthanded warriors team at home is going to get someone on the Kings traded in a panic cry by the Maloofs.

I should be mad about it ruining the tank job but they played a type of basketball I haven't seen in Golden State for years. Monta is almost as bad as Melo.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 14, 2012, 11:56:07 AM
The Knicks have given up an average of 110 points in March.  :lol

The Knicks are pretty brutal when Amare is on the court and decent when he's off. When he's on the court, the Knicks score 100.7 and give up 104.6 (per 100 possesions). When he's off, the knicks score 106.4 and give up just 96.9. Effective FG% allowed goes from 50.4% to 45.9%.

For a comparison, when Garnett is on the floor, the Celtics score 105.3 and give up 98.2; when he's off they're 97-102.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on March 14, 2012, 12:27:00 PM
People have been bitching about Melo more than Amare. I never understood why. Good things hardly ever happen this season when he's on the court.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 14, 2012, 12:29:23 PM
Melo is the bigger star. Whenever things go bad (or good) all the heat or (praise) goes to the superstar.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on March 14, 2012, 02:18:27 PM
News on twitter is that D'Antoni resigned. No word yet on who the next coach will be. :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 14, 2012, 03:00:17 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on March 14, 2012, 02:56:26 PM
The Knicks :lol
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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 14, 2012, 03:00:32 PM
 D'Antoni is a good coach but that knicks situation was never a good fit for him. In retrospect if they had just kept all the original pieces and not traded for Carmelo they would probably be better off right now. But hindsight is 20/20.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: T234 on March 14, 2012, 03:09:17 PM
What happened to Linsanity? Amare and Melo happened? Or what?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 14, 2012, 03:11:24 PM
Lin is absolutely not to blame for their fall.  He's been playing solid PG games with solid PG numbers.  Obviously he's not hitting his highs like his first few games, but he's not the problem.  It's Amare, the surrounding cast not playing as well as when Lin was the team leader, and coaching.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 14, 2012, 03:14:50 PM
Quote from: T234 on March 14, 2012, 03:09:17 PM
What happened to Linsanity? Amare and Melo happened? Or what?

Amare got slow and old in one year. And Melo is having his career worst year by far.
They both play no defense on a team that is already really weak defensively outside of Chandler.
Lin and Melo have an inherent conflict of interest because Melo needs the ball in his hands all the time to be "effective" which pretty much removes the effectiveness of somebody like Lin.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 14, 2012, 03:19:27 PM
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As they steeled themselves late Monday for a grinding, gripping final 12 minutes in Chicago, the Knicks broke into two factions along the bench. At one end, a swarm of players gathered around the coaching staff. At the other, Carmelo Anthony sat stoically, a towel over his shoulders, alone.

“I do that every game,” Anthony would say later, smiling.

Anthony knew he would be on the bench to start the fourth quarter, as he often is. It was perhaps not that vital for him to join his 14 teammates in the huddle. Yet in the context of the Knicks’ current struggles, the imagery was striking, and telling.

The Knicks are not a unified team. On one side is Anthony. On the other is everyone else.

It is evident in Anthony’s body language, in his teammates’ postgame remarks and in the minor wrinkles of the box score. It is most glaring in the win-loss ledger, which has been inverted since Anthony rejoined the lineup.

The Knicks were 7-1 without Anthony last month (including a victory over Utah in which he played only six minutes). They have lost 8 of 10 games since he returned.

For two weeks, the Knicks played a fluid, joyful game in which everyone thrived and pulled for one another. The joy has faded, pushed aside by tension and resentment and a six-game losing streak.

The causes are varied, and Anthony is not solely to blame. But multiple people with ties to the team cite a growing divide between Anthony and his teammates that is threatening to derail the season.

Anthony is breaking plays and demanding the ball in isolation, then snapping at teammates when they fail to get it to him. It happened late Monday, when Anthony called for the ball in the post, then smacked his hands in anger after Landry Fields went elsewhere. More often, Anthony saves the criticism for more private moments, on the bench or in the locker room.

Anthony wants the Knicks to play through him, as every team has throughout his career. He is, by is own admission, uncomfortable in an offense in which he is not the primary ball-handler. That role is now capably filled by Jeremy Lin and Baron Davis.

“He wants 20 shots a game,” a person with ties to another Knicks player said of Anthony. “He has had a scorer’s mentality his whole life.”

Yet the team that Anthony rejoined in late February no longer needs a 20-shot-a-game player. The Knicks have scoring options in Amar’e Stoudemire, Tyson Chandler, Steve Novak, Iman Shumpert, Fields and Lin — the group that spearheaded the seven-game winning streak last month. They have since added more scoring in Davis and J. R. Smith. They are at their best when everyone is involved.

That is the philosophy that Coach Mike D’Antoni preaches daily, one that is echoed by Stoudemire after nearly every defeat.

“All of us, every single player, has to buy into it, and give the coach a chance for his strategy to work,” Stoudemire said after Sunday’s loss to the Philadelphia 76ers. “If we don’t, then see what happens.”

These critiques and speeches about “sacrifice” are always unspecific and carefully worded, but it is understood that they are intended for Anthony, the only Knick talented enough to repeatedly break plays and get away with it.

The fact is, Anthony is not performing at a level that warrants more shots or self-indulgent play. He is shooting a career-low 40 percent from the field. The Knicks are 2-11 this season when he has 20 or more attempts.

For the past 10 games, the Knicks have been demonstrably worse when Anthony plays. With Anthony on the court, the Knicks are scoring at a rate of 97.7 points per 100 possessions. When he is on the bench, that rating soars to 109.8.

The contrast is just as sharp on defense: the Knicks give up 107.1 points per 100 possessions with Anthony on the court, 95.1 with Anthony on the bench. His personal differential, a minus-9.4 rating, is the worst on the team in that 10-game stretch.

Nor is Anthony fulfilling his presumed role as a clutch performer. He misfired repeatedly down the stretch in Chicago, adding to a string of fourth-quarter failures this season. He intentionally fouled Kyle Korver and sent him to the line on a key possession in the final minute, with the Knicks down by 4, after the players had been instructed to simply play defense.

This is not an issue of whether D’Antoni’s coaching or his system suits Anthony, or whether Anthony likes D’Antoni. The question is whether Anthony is willing to subjugate his game for the greater good, as his teammates are demanding.

If not, he risks losing more than just his team’s respect. Fans who swooned over Anthony 13 months ago are booing him during introductions. Columnists are dissecting every comment, every shot attempt and every sideline gesture.

The Knicks are 12-20 with Anthony in the lineup this season, and 25-34 since he put on the uniform.

Carmelo Anthony wanted the Knicks. He demanded the trade that cost them four starters and multiple draft picks, and the $65 million extension that came with it. Anthony wanted the New York spotlight. Now he must accept the glare.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/14/sports/basketball/anthonys-return-has-hurt-the-knicks.html?_r=1
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 14, 2012, 03:23:47 PM
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For the past 10 games, the Knicks have been demonstrably worse when Anthony plays. With Anthony on the court, the Knicks are scoring at a rate of 97.7 points per 100 possessions. When he is on the bench, that rating soars to 109.8.

The contrast is just as sharp on defense: the Knicks give up 107.1 points per 100 possessions with Anthony on the court, 95.1 with Anthony on the bench. His personal differential, a minus-9.4 rating, is the worst on the team in that 10-game stretch.

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The Knicks are 12-20 with Anthony in the lineup this season, and 25-34 since he put on the uniform.

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He demanded the trade that cost them four starters and multiple draft picks, and the $65 million extension that came with it.

So, basically, the Carmelo trade is one the worst in sports since Herschel Walker?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 14, 2012, 03:38:19 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 14, 2012, 03:23:47 PM
So, basically, the Carmelo trade is one the worst in sports since Herschel Walker?

Worst since the Phil Kessel trade.

If that doesn't count, Pat Garrity and Dirk Nowitzki for Robert Traylor
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 14, 2012, 03:44:12 PM
Carmelo is the 2nd worst player in the league after Lebron James.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 14, 2012, 06:05:35 PM
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Dwight Howard has told several teammates, as well as members of the Orlando Magic organization, that he will not opt out of his contract at the end of this season, sources close to the situation said.

That would mean Howard would remain under contract in Orlando through the 2012-2013 season.

Howard has not signed a waiver of his early termination option at this point, which means nothing is guaranteed yet. Both Howard and his representation must sign the documentation.

This latest development comes one day after league sources with knowledge of the situation said Howard's public plea late Tuesday to remain in Orlando for the rest of the season only served to anger the Magic and has pushed them closer than ever to trading their superstar center.

Convinced that Howard, on the advice of his agent, is trying to manipulate the situation, the Magic are telling teams they will trade Howard before Thursday's 3 p.m. ET deadline if he does not commit to them beyond this season, league sources said.

"Dwight's dreaming if he thinks Orlando won't trade him without a commitment,'' a source said. "He needs to make some small commitment to them. They're saying it can't be one way.''

While the Magic would like Howard to sign a maximum extension that would keep him in Orlando through the 2014-2015 season, they would settle for a commitment from him to not opt out of the final year of his current contract. That would give the Magic more time to pull off a trade for a star to play beside him, enhancing their chances of keeping him long-term.

The tension between the two sides has grown. According to sources, the Magic are incensed with Howard's agent, Dan Fegan, who they believe has manipulated Howard and is the driving force behind his push to leave the franchise.

ESPN the Magazine's Ric Bucher, citing sources, reported Tuesday that the club had given Howard the right to decide the fates of general manager Otis Smith and coach Stan Van Gundy. The team responded to that report with a brief statement asserting that only ownership would make such changes.

And the Magic believe Fegan's statement Tuesday afternoon, in which he denied Howard had asked for or wanted that power, was nothing but a ploy to put the team in a bad light.

Already bothered, Orlando was angered even more by Howard's comments after Tuesday's victory over Miami, when he said he wanted to stay with the Magic throughout the season. When asked about the risk the Magic would be taking by doing that, Howard said they should "roll the dice."

Howard said Tuesday night that he has talked with Magic owner Rich DeVos and other front-office executives the past two weeks about his desire to stay.

The Magic believe Howard is legitimately torn. But they also believe his comments Tuesday were a ploy to allow the New Jersey Nets, the team Howard requested a trade to in the preseason, to keep their players and assets, thereby enabling Howard to join a stronger Nets team this summer as a free agent, sources said.

Upset and ready to move Howard unless he changes his stance, the Magic have essentially told other teams -- most notably the Nets and the Los Angeles Lakers -- to let the bidding begin.

If it had its druthers, New Jersey indeed would sign Howard as a free agent in July and team him with Brook Lopez, MarShon Brooks and the other solid role players it would lose this week if it traded for Howard.

Even so, sources say the Nets are hoping to trade for Howard this week to bring certainty and closure to their situation. While they feel strongly about their chances of landing him as a free agent, they realize that nothing is certain in free agency and that Dallas is a real threat to sign both Howard and Nets point guard Deron Williams.

The Lakers have been active in talks around the league, mainly about trading Pau Gasol and adding a point guard, but sources say they are still interested in Howard as well.

The Magic would also be interested in a Knicks package of Carmelo Anthony and Tyson Chandler, sources say, should the Knicks make such an offer.

The Knicks have discussed the deal internally but have been given no indication that Howard would remain with the Knicks long-term if the deal takes place. That being the case, they have thus far refused the temptation to engage Orlando in trade talks.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7686147/sources-orlando-magic-dwight-howard-opt-end-season
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: pilonv1 on March 14, 2012, 07:28:46 PM
Feel sorry for Pringles, he wasn't the problem. Even Jackson couldn't save this mess.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2012, 07:42:33 PM
Melo and Chandler for Dwight - I think i'd do that if I were the Knicks, if the Magic're actually interested and not just trying to drive up the price from other suitors (which i think is likely)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 14, 2012, 08:01:54 PM
Big Game.

Miami at Chicago tonight.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2012, 08:04:21 PM
thanks for the heads-up!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 14, 2012, 08:23:08 PM
Is Dwight good or at least decent at running pick and rolls?  If so, Knicks should try their best to make that trade.  While I think that Chandler is a highly underrated player and clearly the Knicks' MVP, I can't shake the feeling that he only has 2-3 good years left even though he is only 29.  Chandler just seems to move quite awkwardly for a guy his age. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2012, 08:27:14 PM
Bethlehem Shoals on the departure on D'Antoni. Tend to agree that in the absence of info to the contrary, we should be blaming Dolan/the poisonous system he has created:

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Mike D'Antoni bailed on the Knicks today as the mightiest sports city in the world claimed another easy victim. The team has lost its last six games, and questions about the relationship between D'Antoni and Carmelo Anthony were clouding the future. The Knicks' best player is a poor fit for the coach's system; it was all too much for D'Antoni, so he skulked back to the hills of Appalachia where he could further his efforts to clone Steve Nash from a single strand of hair.

Of course, last month, D'Antoni's system turned Jeremy Lin into an overnight sensation with Melo in street clothes, had Tyson Chandler looking like a two-way beast, and made invaluable contributors out of Steve Novak, Iman Shumpert, and Landry Fields. The Knicks went on a seven-game winning streak, Lin became the most popular athlete on the planet, and the team had finally found its identity. D'Antoni was vindicated then, but hey, before Lin's emergence, he had been on the hot seat. No one said this town played fair.

It's true that neither D'Antoni nor Melo seemed to understand how they could practically work together. D'Antoni has a system that's been proven to get results, and wring the most out of players far less talented than Melo; Anthony's deliberate pacing and need to work with the ball in space has made him one of the game's most potent scorers, and not in a way easily discounted or explained away.

Do we want to believe that the two butted heads, and over a matter of weeks, things got so bad that D'Antoni decided to throw in the towel? Could the man who coached one of the best teams of the decade through several deep playoff runs not handle the attention? Is Mike D'Antoni so weak? Is Carmelo Anthony that virulent a coach-killer, even with stand-up dude Tyson Chandler and Amar'e Stoudemire, who owes his career to D'Antoni, as important voices in the locker room? Is there any man up to the challenge of coaching the New York Knicks?

Maybe D'Antoni was frustrated with his team and yes, probably the New York tabloid media. It's hard to imagine, though, that a little bit of professional discomfort, and a freaking basketball problem, could make him storm out the door. Something pushed him, making D'Antoni lose that famous temper of his and storm off, more annoyed than defeated. We may never know exactly what it was, but again, he's a pro who also happens to be one of the decade's most successful coaches. I seriously doubt that New York, in all its majesty, reduced him to brainless jellyfish of a man. It's special, but not that special. Media is media, and the Knicks, really are just a basketball team.

But what does make the Knicks special, and working for them so singularly unpleasant, is their famously rude, stupid, arrogant, impatient, meddlesome, and counter-productive ownership. The work environment James Doland creates, as has been documented a zillion times over, is far from ideal. He wants Isiah around because only Isiah feels this stuff is normal. If this were just about basketball, even a stubborn Carmelo, D'Antoni probably would have stuck around through year's end.

Coaches solve problems; it's their job. At the same time, Melo isn't exactly interested in being seen as the guy who ran a big name coach out of town. Chances are, something happened in the last few days, to make D'Antoni decide it wasn't worth it, something above and beyond what coaches are used to dealing with. My bet would be on Dolan. He's what makes the Knicks unlike any other basketball team, and why a coach like D'Antoni might truly come face to face with things he might not have deal with anywhere else (well, except for maybe with the Clippers.) New York exceptionalism is vain, if illusory; Knicks exceptionalism is a plague.



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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 14, 2012, 08:28:24 PM
Knicks crushing Portland tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2012, 08:29:54 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 14, 2012, 08:23:08 PM
Is Dwight good or at least decent at running pick and rolls?  If so, Knicks should try their best to make that trade.  While I think that Chandler is a highly underrated player and clearly the Knicks' MVP, I can't shake the feeling that he only has 2-3 good years left even though he is only 29.  Chandler just seems to move quite awkwardly for a guy his age. 

Chandler has missed a lot of games with flashing-red-light injuries, it's true. Love him, but there is nothing he can do that Dwight can't do better (oh wait - FREE THROWS)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2012, 08:44:14 PM
Rose is out tonight, need another game to watch instead.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2012, 09:32:53 PM
The Hollinger piece on D'Antoni's departure was depressing. Honestly, that trade for Dwight sounds like a fucking bargain, if Melo really has entered the downside of his career (hard to believe but apparently this is not unusual for wing players in his weight class who lack a great outside shot...). Trade him before his value plummets!

Of course the Knicks won't do it though, and we'll get 3 more years of this crap instead of an up-tempo Lin-driven offense and hustle on defense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2012, 10:45:54 PM
Watching on delay but the Bulls are actually kicking ass here...impressive.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 14, 2012, 10:46:03 PM
Melo's fall is kind of stunning. I watched him in HS and college, dude was amazing; he also seemed like a relatively chill guy. First few NBA seasons were solid; his rookie year was better than LeBron's iirc.

Now...wtf? His game has devolved somewhat steadily ever since his first couple seasons. Is this the case of a very talented guy who simply stopped giving a shit, working hard, etc? It's pretty shitty, he was one of my favorite players for a long time
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2012, 10:50:47 PM
He kicked ass individually just last season (although it didn't help the team that much...), and in D'Antoni's system. As did Amare when D'Antoni was riding him.

The conventional wisdom will no doubt become that he is Lazy and a Bad Person but the more likely explanation seems to be that he just isn't good enough anymore to run isos for all game long and expect him to carry an offense. He's always been lazy on defense.

Like I said, it blows my mind that he could have peaked already, at his age, but that does appear to be the historical trend for his type of player. I'd like to see some more data on that though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 14, 2012, 10:56:50 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2012, 10:45:54 PM
Watching on delay but the Bulls are actually kicking ass here...impressive.

If I was forced to bet I would go with the bulls over the heat in a series this year. But that's just my opinion.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2012, 11:19:49 PM
Is that Heat fan self-hate or because you think the Bulls improved more than the Heat did? I don't think the regular season record is that reliable this year, and I haven't watched the Bulls that much for whatever reason.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Mandark on March 14, 2012, 11:22:10 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2012, 10:50:47 PM
Like I said, it blows my mind that he could have peaked already, at his age, but that does appear to be the historical trend for his type of player. I'd like to see some more data on that though.

*Checks Bernard King's page on basketball-reference.com*

Oh, shit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 14, 2012, 11:26:05 PM
Probably half self hate and half I really do believe it.

I do think it helps the bulls to have played the Heat last year and mentally and physically see what it takes to play against them. I think they will be better for that.  I also think the bulls are legit a better team than they were last year.  So are the heat of course but I just don't like them. I still think their flaws when it comes down to it are worse than the bulls flaws will be. Of course their highs are also higher than the bulls.

Honestly either team could win a series but I trust the bulls a bit more even with what happened last year. I would of course love to be proven wrong.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 15, 2012, 02:04:31 AM
Perfect example of why I think Bill Simmons is terrible and much prefer Hollinger's takes instead:

I went to Sunday's nationally televised Knicks-Celtics game in Boston. Carmelo made what seemed to be the clinching basket; Pierce made a 3 to tie; then Carmelo had a chance to win the game in regulation. As 'Melo was getting off the shot, everyone in the building had a collective slow-motion heart attack. Noooooooooooooooooo! We all thought that shot was going in. In my opinion, seven 2012 players make opposing fans crap their pants in a big moment: Kobe, Wade, Durant, Rose, Dirk, Carmelo … and just on reputation alone, Ray Allen. If you employ one of those players, you have a better chance of winning the title than everyone else. That's the way basketball works. Everything slows down, the pressure turns suffocating, games swing on one or two possessions, and playoff series hinge on two questions: "Can you get a stop when it matters?" and "Can you get two points when it matters?" You have the second question covered thanks to Carmelo. You need to work on the first question. In short, I think you should give this a few more weeks. You go 10-deep. Your team is scary. Take a deep breath and enjoy the ride … and remember, five years ago, the most riveting Knicks-related story you were following was a sexual-harrassment suit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2012, 02:08:53 AM
As recently as March 8, Hollinger was telling Knicks fans in chat to relax, and that Melo would probably start hitting shots soon though, so it's not like even he is immune to a player's rep.

Then again, his negativity is more directed at the fact that the Knicks have 3 more seasons of max money to Melo and Stat rather than bemoaning Melo's performance this year...2015 doesn't look promising...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 15, 2012, 02:14:54 AM
Of the seven players Simmons mentioned, Dirk is the only one that I would believe is almost certain to hit a game winner and that was only during his super hot streak last year. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2012, 02:18:52 AM
I was genuinely terrified of Kobe anytime from 2000-06 at least, now I'd be praying for him to force something.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 15, 2012, 02:19:21 AM
I just hate it when Simmons passes off his own opinion as absolute truth.  When I hear about how clutch Kobe, Melo and Rose are, I just think "overrated fucks". 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2012, 02:24:42 AM
It's pretty much a fact that NOBODY is anywhere near as good in the clutch as they are normally so I kind of wish people would STFU about it. Most games aren't that close anyway. The 1st quarter is statistically just as important as the 4th - but it's usually not anywhere near as entertaining 'cause everyone is saving themselves to be a hero at the end
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2012, 02:26:19 AM
Another reason why coaches should never take out their players with 2 fouls by the way - players are just as useful in the 1st, 2nd period IF THEY'RE ALLOWED ON THE COURT. Let your best players play, coaches, stop trying to pretend you make a difference
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 15, 2012, 02:40:15 AM
Maybe it's a coach's way of showing deference to the officiating? I wouldn't be surprised if some petty ref continues to give quick fouls to a player that a coach won't take out, even with 2 fouls in the 1st or early 2nd. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2012, 02:43:22 AM
Usually it is accompanied by screaming at the ref in question, is it not :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 15, 2012, 02:48:35 AM
Yeah, but it obviously doesn't do much since Stern has made the refs pretty much invicible except when someone is caught being friendly with the gambling underworld. 

I wish like fan day, every once a week the fans would get to pick a "call your own fouls" game.  It'd be fun to see who likes to call soft fouls or who is too proud to call any fouls at all. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2012, 03:04:25 AM
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In addition to his on-court struggles, it appears that Wizards center JaVale McGee is a bit delusional. Sources say he has informed the Wizards that he will be looking for a contract averaging around $14 million when he becomes a free agent after next season.

there is not enough :lol

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7685875/nba-trade-chatter-48-hours-deadline

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 15, 2012, 03:28:33 AM
LA radio was spreading rumours of a Steve Blake for Jamal Crawford trade.   Dunno why Portland would even consider that trade but it's impossible to predict what Portland would do since Paul Allen fired one of the best GMs in the NBA.  If Blake is enough to entice Portland, then the Clips should hurry up with their offer of Eric Bledsoe.  Clips are sorely lacking a quality player at SG. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 15, 2012, 03:29:57 AM
Everything I get interested in this season turns to shit.   :-\  First Rubio, now the Knicks.  RUN AND HIDE, KEVIN LOVE!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2012, 04:05:18 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 15, 2012, 03:28:33 AM
LA radio was spreading rumours of a Steve Blake for Jamal Crawford trade.   Dunno why Portland would even consider that trade but it's impossible to predict what Portland would do since Paul Allen fired one of the best GMs in the NBA.  If Blake is enough to entice Portland, then the Clips should hurry up with their offer of Eric Bledsoe.  Clips are sorely lacking a quality player at SG. 

Well, Felton is easily one of the worst-performing PGs in the league. Blake wouldn't be much of an upgrade but I guess they have happy memories from his last tenure there. They know the season is a bust now anyway though, so Crawford wants out. Crawford would help the Clippers a lot, I agree.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 15, 2012, 06:14:37 AM
Good, hopefully that means Cho isn't going to send DJ Augustin to Portland for Crawford.  I like Crawford but that's not enough to give up on DJ yet, we'd need another pick and they still owe the Bobcats a 1st.

Rich Cho :bow
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: pilonv1 on March 15, 2012, 06:49:01 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on March 15, 2012, 04:55:54 AM
It's kinda funny that the Walsh plan was all about clearing cap space... and now the Knicks are stuck with two max players who kinda suck.

I used to think Chris Cohan was the worst owner in the NBA but Dolan runs fucking rings around him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2012, 08:40:44 AM
Sterling?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 15, 2012, 01:04:30 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 15, 2012, 02:19:21 AM
I just hate it when Simmons passes off his own opinion as absolute truth.  When I hear about how clutch Kobe, Melo and Rose are, I just think "overrated fucks".

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Kobe Bryant
Kobe slowly morphing into the anti-LeBron, an end-of-the-game killer

NBA Player "Clutch" Stats
Bryant .279 FG%
James: .400

There are three subjects where facts are almost always irrelevant: religion, politics, and sports.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 15, 2012, 01:05:22 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2012, 02:26:19 AM
Another reason why coaches should never take out their players with 2 fouls by the way - players are just as useful in the 1st, 2nd period IF THEY'RE ALLOWED ON THE COURT. Let your best players play, coaches, stop trying to pretend you make a difference

 :bow Cormac :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 15, 2012, 01:06:36 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 15, 2012, 03:29:57 AM
Everything I get interested in this season turns to shit.   :-\  First Rubio, now the Knicks.  RUN AND HIDE, KEVIN LOVE!
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indeed
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Mandark on March 15, 2012, 02:20:15 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on March 15, 2012, 01:04:30 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 15, 2012, 02:19:21 AM
I just hate it when Simmons passes off his own opinion as absolute truth.  When I hear about how clutch Kobe, Melo and Rose are, I just think "overrated fucks".

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Kobe Bryant
Kobe slowly morphing into the anti-LeBron, an end-of-the-game killer

NBA Player "Clutch" Stats
Bryant .279 FG%
James: .400

There are three subjects where facts are almost always irrelevant: religion, politics, and sports.


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Quote from: Bill Simmons
He's done such a savvy job of positioning himself as "The Guy Who Is SO Not Afraid of Big Moments" that it's easy to forget that he's been lousy in big moments

:wag
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 15, 2012, 02:52:26 PM
So now Dwight is staying.  NJ scrambling to get Gerald Wallace to include him in a trade before July 1 when Deron is a FA.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Mandark on March 15, 2012, 03:32:55 PM
Wonder how Mikhail Prokhorov is taking this, now that he's not busy running for president anymore.  Always got the feeling that he expected to just buy a loaded team like Roman Abramovich did at Chelsea, not realizing just how different and more restrictive the player movement regime is in the NBA compared to European soccer.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2012, 04:44:06 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 15, 2012, 03:32:55 PM
Wonder how Mikhail Prokhorov is taking this, now that he's not busy running for president anymore.  Always got the feeling that he expected to just buy a loaded team like Roman Abramovich did at Chelsea, not realizing just how different and more restrictive the player movement regime is in the NBA compared to European soccer.

well we know how Sean Carter feels

(Ball so hard) This shit crazy, y'all don't know that don't shit faze me
The Nets could go 0 for 82 and I'd look at you like this shit gravy
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 15, 2012, 05:26:25 PM
If I was the Heat, I would have tried to pick up a rebounder.

Also lulz at the Nuggets. This is exactly why nobody should feel sorry for an owner as they claim the financial situation is untenable. Don't waste on players who aren't worth it. Anybody with a brain could tell you Nene isn't worth that contract.

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The Denver Nuggets have agreed to trade Nene to the Washington Wizards in exchange for JaVale McGee and Ronny Turiaf. The Los Angeles Clippers, acting as a facilitator, agreed to send Brian Cook and a future second-round pick to the Wizards in exchange for shooting guard Nick Young, according to sources.

The trade marks a stunning reversal for the Nuggets, who had just committed five-years and $67 million to keep Nene this December. The move provides salary cap relief, however, as McGee is restricted free agent after the season.

The Clippers got involved in the deal late as a facilitator after choosing to hold on to young point guard Eric Bledsoe after talks with Portland for Jamal Crawford and Boston for Ray Allen fizzled.

In Young the Clippers get a dynamic young swingman for virtually nothing to replace Chauncey Billups, who was lost for the season with an Achilles injury in February. Young, who is from Los Angeles, is an unrestricted free agent after this season.


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@KBergCBS

League source says Nuggets had experienced some "buyer's remorse" after signing often-injured Nene to a five-year, $67M deal in Dec. '11.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 15, 2012, 05:40:46 PM
I'm just shocked the Wizards broke up that awesome core of young players.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 15, 2012, 05:44:14 PM
Heat should've thrown like four people from their bench at a team to get a proper big man.

Also LOL at Cleveland, giving away one of their only other decent players (Sessions).
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2012, 08:00:29 PM
Blazers waive Oden
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7692811/source-portland-trail-blazers-waive-former-no-1-overall-pick-greg-oden

Man, even as a hater of all things OSU I'm bummed. I always liked Oden, seemed like a cool dude. He was a solid defender and post presence when healthy, he just couldn't stay on the court.

I wouldn't mind seeing the Pistons sign him to a short contract; him and Monroe down low could be potent. Speaking of which, I shit on Dumars all the time but it looks like Greg Monroe was a solid draft choice. Dude is beasting

(that being said, lol @ Austin Daye)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 15, 2012, 08:02:52 PM
If nothing else, Nick Young would fit with the Clips' high flying style. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2012, 08:04:42 PM
In terms of impact moves for the current season -

I think Sessions will make the Lakers a whole lot better, fuck. He's not quite exactly what they need but he's still a huuuuuuuge upgrade, and they got him for free basically.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 15, 2012, 08:19:47 PM
Oden's played 82 games out of 410 that he's been in the NBA. It's just mind-boggling.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2012, 08:26:44 PM
I stopped thinking about Oden a long time ago, frankly. The chances of some Grant Hill-like comeback were always remote. It's a far bigger story than it warrants, really (although like everyone else, I think he seems like a great kid and could have been an elite center..)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 15, 2012, 08:30:15 PM
The sad part is that it was also the Trail Blazers who picked Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2012, 08:31:44 PM
You don't pass up on a potentially elite center like that. At the time they made the right decision in drafting him
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2012, 08:31:59 PM
Why the Sessions-to-the-Lakers (and also dumping Fisher) thing is significant:

We've seen what can happen when the world's shittiest PG stops playing and a pretty good one takes over (Lin). Sessions is worse than Lin, I think, but he's soooo much better than Fisher and Blake that he's going to have a very dramatic impact. Just getting an average player minutes instead of horrible ones is huge. All of a sudden, the Lakers won't be completely eviscerated by every above-average PG. They haven't had anyone as good as Sessions in a long, long time. And they sent away more money than they took back! Again!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 15, 2012, 08:32:53 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2012, 08:31:44 PM
You don't pass up on a potentially elite center like that. At the time they made the right decision in drafting him

I didn't say it wasn't.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2012, 08:33:11 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2012, 08:31:44 PM
You don't pass up on a potentially elite center like that. At the time they made the right decision in drafting him

It was a defensible position at that time but since MJ totally disproved the 'need an elite center' theory, it is no longer defensible IMHO.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2012, 08:34:09 PM
I mean, it's pretty clear that even if Oden had lived up to his potential (let's be kind and say Andrew Bynum), Durant is still the better player, right?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2012, 08:36:45 PM
Yea but at the time, did anyone think Durant was going to be this good? I consider myself quite an expert on these matters and even I thought he'd be a skinny bust.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2012, 08:39:29 PM
Don't twist the argument to 'this good' - the point was BETTER than Oden. I thought he was better than Oden - he had one of the greatest college careers ever, brief though it was.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2012, 08:42:39 PM
I'm betting that more mistakes are made drafting centers than any other position, btw. I'm sure someone has done some research into this - ring a bell, anyone? I mean, look at this list of Top 10 draft busts - 6 are centers, or 300% more than you'd expect

http://hoopism.com/?p=2186
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2012, 08:50:04 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2012, 08:39:29 PM
Don't twist the argument to 'this good' - the point was BETTER than Oden. I thought he was better than Oden - he had one of the greatest college careers ever, brief though it was.

I'm not accusing you of anything, I'm just pointing out that at the time few thought Durant would be some superstar, whereas many seemed confident Oden would be quite a defensive force.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 15, 2012, 08:58:12 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2012, 08:42:39 PM
I'm betting that more mistakes are made drafting centers than any other position, btw. I'm sure someone has done some research into this - ring a bell, anyone? I mean, look at this list of Top 10 draft busts - 6 are centers, or 300% more than you'd expect

http://hoopism.com/?p=2186

Shawn Bradley never lived up to "Space Jam."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2012, 09:00:34 PM
Yeah, but whether he would be a 'superstar' is beside the point. At the time, the only question was: will he be better than Oden?

We've seen time and time again how teams over-value the center position just because it's hard to fill, which no doubt keeps GMs up late at nights. If there hadn't been a strong candidate at the center position, Durant would have been locked into the number 1 spot in that draft months in advance, with no argument from anyone...and the 'superstar' hype would have risen accordingly.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 15, 2012, 09:26:37 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2012, 08:36:45 PM
Yea but at the time, did anyone think Durant was going to be this good? I consider myself quite an expert on these matters and even I thought he'd be a skinny bust.

It physically pains me to write this, but Bill Simmons was big on Durant's bandwagon and always thought Oden would be a bust, or at the very least not as good as Durant.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2012, 09:42:39 PM
I thought Rose would be a bust. We can't be right all the time, Triumph
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 15, 2012, 09:45:07 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2012, 09:00:34 PM
Yeah, but whether he would be a 'superstar' is beside the point. At the time, the only question was: will he be better than Oden?

We've seen time and time again how teams over-value the center position just because it's hard to fill, which no doubt keeps GMs up late at nights. If there hadn't been a strong candidate at the center position, Durant would have been locked into the number 1 spot in that draft months in advance, with no argument from anyone...and the 'superstar' hype would have risen accordingly.

It wasn't just due to positioning.  At the combine, Oden outperformed Durant by significant margins in almost every category.  To PD's credit, I remember telling him that and he still said Durant would become the better player. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 15, 2012, 09:46:32 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2012, 09:42:39 PM
I thought Rose would be a bust. We can't be right all the time, Triumph

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...

I am speechless.  You thought Oden was gonna be a sure thing but Rose would be a bust?  Don't ever try to work for an NBA team as a talent scout.  Well, you might fit right in with the Wizards or Knicks...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 15, 2012, 09:48:52 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2012, 09:42:39 PM
I thought Rose would be a bust. We can't be right all the time, Triumph

Wait, didn't you call him a bum just a few months ago?  He hasn't improved much this season from last.  If anything, he's having a slightly worse season because of the missed games. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 15, 2012, 09:51:45 PM
Oden had a great game in the NCAA finals against a tough front line for Florida (Noah and Horford.)

As for Shawn Bradley, he had no business getting drafted 2nd, much less being in Space Jam.  He led the nation in blocks as a freshman but that was about it, then disappeared for a two year mission and came back and turned pro.  People wondered what the hell he was thinking but he turned out to be right when Philly drafted him 2nd.

I loled.  Bradley had a decent career for what he was, but he was never going to be able to live up to the hype of a #2 pick.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 15, 2012, 09:52:08 PM
Portland would be pretty amazing if the whole Roy and Oden injury stuff hadn't happened.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 15, 2012, 09:53:38 PM
I still remember people talking about how Bradley was going to destory Yao in their 1st matchup.   :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 15, 2012, 09:58:48 PM
Really? By the time Yao came into the league, Bradley was a bench player on the Mavs coming into games just so he could help opponents get on posters.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 15, 2012, 10:05:02 PM
A quick check shows that Nick Young has a no-step 40" vertical.   :o

He and Chris Paul are gonna have some insane aerial hookups. 

Quote from: Flannel Boy on March 15, 2012, 09:58:48 PM
Really? By the time Yao came into the league, Bradley was a bench player on the Mavs coming into games just so he could help opponents get on posters.

Many people were calling Yao overrated from the moment he was drafted.

Remeber when Barkley said he would kiss a donkey's ass if Yao would ever score 20 in a game?

 A large part of it was due to him being drafter higher than Jason Williams, the best college player and seemingly certain to become a superstar.  Also, early in Yao's rookie season, it did seem like he was indeed overrated.  Due to fear of not fulfilling the expectations of his team and country, it took about 15 or so games before Yao finally started to perform like he was capable of. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2012, 10:05:41 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 15, 2012, 09:45:07 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2012, 09:00:34 PM
Yeah, but whether he would be a 'superstar' is beside the point. At the time, the only question was: will he be better than Oden?

We've seen time and time again how teams over-value the center position just because it's hard to fill, which no doubt keeps GMs up late at nights. If there hadn't been a strong candidate at the center position, Durant would have been locked into the number 1 spot in that draft months in advance, with no argument from anyone...and the 'superstar' hype would have risen accordingly.

It wasn't just due to positioning.  At the combine, Oden outperformed Durant by significant margins in almost every category.  To PD's credit, I remember telling him that and he still said Durant would become the better player. 

Also remember you saying that Oden would likely make a 100% recovery :lol

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 15, 2012, 10:06:18 PM
I don't remember anyone saying anything about Bradley in a positive light after his rookie year.  If he was going to 'own' Yao that was more a reflection of how people thought Yao would fail too than a proclamation for Bradley.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 15, 2012, 10:06:40 PM
Oden was fucked from the get go- one of his legs was longer than the other.  That's not the sort of shit you "recover" from.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 15, 2012, 10:07:50 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 15, 2012, 10:05:02 PM

 A large part of it was due to him being drafter higher than Jason Williams, the best college player and seemingly certain to become a superstar.

Although I still think J-Will would have gotten it eventually, his rookie year was pretty much a bust (sans a late triple double.)  I thought he would come in and dominate/contribute heavily immediately but it didn't happen. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 15, 2012, 10:09:01 PM

Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2012, 10:05:41 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 15, 2012, 09:45:07 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2012, 09:00:34 PM
Yeah, but whether he would be a 'superstar' is beside the point. At the time, the only question was: will he be better than Oden?

We've seen time and time again how teams over-value the center position just because it's hard to fill, which no doubt keeps GMs up late at nights. If there hadn't been a strong candidate at the center position, Durant would have been locked into the number 1 spot in that draft months in advance, with no argument from anyone...and the 'superstar' hype would have risen accordingly.

It wasn't just due to positioning.  At the combine, Oden outperformed Durant by significant margins in almost every category.  To PD's credit, I remember telling him that and he still said Durant would become the better player. 

Also remember you saying that Oden would likely make a 100% recovery :lol

Did I really?   :(

I really like the character of Oden.  Roy too.  There aren't enough players like them today.

Speaking of Portland, I hope Clips go after Nate Mcmillan if they fail to go beyond round 1.   
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2012, 10:10:19 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 15, 2012, 09:45:07 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2012, 09:00:34 PM
Yeah, but whether he would be a 'superstar' is beside the point. At the time, the only question was: will he be better than Oden?

We've seen time and time again how teams over-value the center position just because it's hard to fill, which no doubt keeps GMs up late at nights. If there hadn't been a strong candidate at the center position, Durant would have been locked into the number 1 spot in that draft months in advance, with no argument from anyone...and the 'superstar' hype would have risen accordingly.

It wasn't just due to positioning.  At the combine, Oden outperformed Durant by significant margins in almost every category.  To PD's credit, I remember telling him that and he still said Durant would become the better player. 

Combines? You think this stuff matters? Why isn't Jeff Green better than Durant then? Or Zo better than Fat Shaq or millions of other examples. Nate Robinson vs Chris Paul. Gerald Green vs Ray Allen
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2012, 10:11:31 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 15, 2012, 10:09:01 PM

Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2012, 10:05:41 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 15, 2012, 09:45:07 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2012, 09:00:34 PM
Yeah, but whether he would be a 'superstar' is beside the point. At the time, the only question was: will he be better than Oden?

We've seen time and time again how teams over-value the center position just because it's hard to fill, which no doubt keeps GMs up late at nights. If there hadn't been a strong candidate at the center position, Durant would have been locked into the number 1 spot in that draft months in advance, with no argument from anyone...and the 'superstar' hype would have risen accordingly.

It wasn't just due to positioning.  At the combine, Oden outperformed Durant by significant margins in almost every category.  To PD's credit, I remember telling him that and he still said Durant would become the better player. 

Also remember you saying that Oden would likely make a 100% recovery :lol

Did I really?   :(

I really like the character of Oden.  Roy too.  There aren't enough players like them today.

Speaking of Portland, I hope Clips go after Nate Mcmillan if they fail to go beyond round 1.   

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=12562.msg298892#msg298892

SOOOOO .... Any games on today?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 15, 2012, 10:17:47 PM
Damn, how did you remember that?   :lol

This forum has a crap search function.  I've go to be more careful in the future about what I say in our discussions. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2012, 10:23:27 PM
I'm sure I said a billion daft things about NBA as well - i'm not about to go digging TOO deeply in those archives :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 15, 2012, 10:49:58 PM
Hell, you just said Durant had one of the greatest college careers of all time  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2012, 10:55:49 PM
statistically, i believe he did

I mean, obviously he was too good to STAY in college so he's not going to compare to the 4yr guys in days of yore but he set a bunch of records, did he not?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2012, 11:02:59 PM
I of course was (as now) heavily influenced by the Professor, who said:

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And based on the chart, let's close with some important conclusions heading into Thursday's big shindig:

Kevin Durant is the best talent to come out of the college ranks in the last half decade. As we've learned, this doesn't necessarily mean he'll become the best player. But his 870.7 score blows the previous best -- Carmelo Anthony's 781.3 in 2003 -- right out of the water. If there's one thing that makes me reconsider the Oden versus Durant question after I thought it had been
settled, this is it. I mean, how can you pass on this guy when his numbers are this overwhelming?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2007/insider/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=ProRater
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: T234 on March 15, 2012, 11:07:31 PM
Yeah, just because somebody follows the NBA, does NOT make them qualified to talk college ball.

Leave the college ball talk to Blue-bloods (different shades though :lol :lol ) like me and Tet.

Cormac, stats don't matter in college ball at all. Greatness is determined by titles. Period. If you didn't win a championship, then your college career was NOT great.




That being said, EIGHTH BANNER BITCHES

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 15, 2012, 11:09:00 PM
This is why I find college sports to be a laughable endeavor.  Also, talking with Kentucky fans around this time of year is an exercise in futility.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: T234 on March 15, 2012, 11:12:25 PM
QUIT YER SQUAWKIN OLD MAN

EIGHTH BANNER
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2012, 11:16:49 PM
Bet those banners are a great consolation to them as they watch Durant pick up scoring titles/MVP/ Finals MVPs/HoF awards by the bucket
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2012, 11:18:13 PM
Kentucky has a few NBA bodies on their team. dem academic standards

Durant was great in college come. Dude dominated a good conference, and while Texas underperformed in the NCAA tournament it wasn't Durant's fault.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2012, 11:23:30 PM
I obviously don't have a horse in this race, but it seems possible at least in theory for a statement like 'Durant had a great college career AND Kentucky is a great college team' to be endorsable by a wide range of folks
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2012, 11:26:50 PM
Yup. I'd be shocked if Kentucky doesn't get to the finals. They rolled earlier today

And Durant, from the little NBA ball I've watched this year, looks amazing. Is he an early fave for MVP?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2012, 11:34:25 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2012, 11:26:50 PM
Yup. I'd be shocked if Kentucky doesn't get to the finals. They rolled earlier today

And Durant, from the little NBA ball I've watched this year, looks amazing. Is he an early fave for MVP?

Only if someone shoots LeBron or something. Durant IS amazing but statistically (i know, i know) LeBron is on track to beat the best years of Jordan and Wilt and everybody else. Plus, the Heat's record is not going to hurt him...it sounds like he is a lock, from what the EPSN columnists etc are saying anyway.  Nobody is really championing Durant as the MVP, only saying that he deserves votes (i.e. I'M not voting for him but somebody should!)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: T234 on March 15, 2012, 11:45:29 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2012, 11:16:49 PM
Bet those banners are a great consolation to them as they watch Durant pick up scoring titles/MVP/ Finals MVPs/HoF awards by the bucket
   
We're talking about what a player does in his COLLEGIATE uniform, not what they do as a pro. To say that Durant had one of the greatest college careers EVER is talking jive. He was excellent and was as lethal a scorer as they come in the college game, that much is for certain.


Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2012, 11:18:13 PM
Kentucky has a few NBA bodies on their team. dem academic standards

Durant was great in college come. Dude dominated a good conference, and while Texas underperformed in the NCAA tournament it wasn't Durant's fault.

WTF. Kansas beat them both times for both the reg-season conference title AND the Big XII conference tournament title. Big XII South was hot garbage that year too. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2012, 11:47:49 PM
I didn't say Texas dominated the conference, I said Durant dominated the conference. He arguably had a better season than Melo did at 'Cuse. Just because he didn't win a title like Melo doesn't mean he didn't dominate as well..
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 15, 2012, 11:55:01 PM
Durant was great in college but your 'college career' is determined by what you do in March, fair or not.

He went out in the round of 32, although he played better than I remembered in that tournament with 57 total points.

He had a great year in CBB, his career in CBB is not and will not be remembered.  Except by Hollinger apparently.


Fair or not, disagree or not, Carmelo is a legend in CBB.  Durant is not.  He had a better CBB career than Kobe or LeBron, and better than Luol Deng, but you can't say he had one of the all time greatest CBB careers.  One year, as fantastic as it was, doesn't make a career unless you win more than 1 tournament game.  Hell his team lost 10 games that year. 


Also, Durant played with two other NBA players on that team, DJ Augustin and Damion James.  Melo played with Hakeem Warrick, but again, they won more than one tournament game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 16, 2012, 12:13:22 AM
I still don't care but that is an absurd definition by which Dirk Nowitzki would have been shit up 'til a year ago, before turning into a Hall of Famer
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 16, 2012, 12:39:36 AM
Doesn't really matter about Dirk, by any stretch Durant did not have one of the 'greatest CBB careers of all time.'  That's all I was responding to, not turning it into a discussion about CBB metrics vs NBA metrics.  No one said Durant was shit either.

Melo wasn't a legend because of his stats, it's because as a freshman he took a team that had never won a title, to a title.  That's never been done before that I can remember.  That's why he's a legend.

Maybe Kobe could have done it, maybe LeBron could have done it, but Melo did it.  Durant went out in the second round surrounded by more talent.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 16, 2012, 12:59:06 AM
Why is Pete Maravich considered one of the greatest college players of all time?  He never played in the tournament. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 16, 2012, 01:08:29 AM
Cause he averaged 44 ppg for 3 years.

Also, back then only one team per conference even qualified for the tournament, but I'm sure you knew that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: etiolate on March 16, 2012, 01:40:18 AM
hey benji are you the same benji that posts on the nba-live forums?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 16, 2012, 03:35:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0DwLL_L-DM

They still won it in ot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 16, 2012, 03:39:49 AM
That's a pretty bad miss  :lol  Glad for Millsap that they still won the game.  Dude had 8 steals too.

Hayward off the bench with 26 and Favors w 16 boards.  Utah has some decent pieces, too bad Harris is shitting the bed this year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 16, 2012, 01:07:55 PM
HEY GUYS HOW BOUT THAT LINSAN... oh

WELL AT LEAST BASEBALL STARTS SOON I CAN'T WAIT TO WATCH THE MET... oh

goddamn it
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 16, 2012, 01:15:43 PM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on March 16, 2012, 01:07:55 PM
HEY GUYS HOW BOUT THAT LINSAN... oh

WELL AT LEAST BASEBALL STARTS SOON I CAN'T WAIT TO WATCH THE MET... oh

goddamn it

Game of Thrones starts in a couple of weeks!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 16, 2012, 01:30:53 PM
Nikola Pekovic's last five games: 22.5 PPG, 10.3 RPG, .625 FG%, .769 FT%  ???

Bynum's last five games: 25.4 PPG, 12.8   RPG, .689 FG% :omg

Why won't the Lakers give Bryant some help! Poor guy.  :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 16, 2012, 03:54:34 PM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on March 16, 2012, 01:07:55 PM
HEY GUYS HOW BOUT THAT LINSAN... oh

WELL AT LEAST BASEBALL STARTS SOON I CAN'T WAIT TO WATCH THE MET... oh

goddamn it

Like an Asian convenience store, the Knicks were doing fine until the thugs walked through the door
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Brehvolution on March 16, 2012, 04:21:25 PM
 :lol That's pretty funny, PD.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 16, 2012, 04:42:57 PM


 :rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Robo on March 16, 2012, 04:53:17 PM
Inferring the return of Linsanity?


spoiler (click to show/hide)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m5TI4CcwJ8
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Beezy on March 16, 2012, 10:21:29 PM
2 back to back blowout wins for the Knicks. Let's see how long this can last for.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 17, 2012, 01:56:34 PM
Anyone here have mobile league pass? I recently had to format my phone and I got a new ipad. But when I reinstalled game time, when I try to play a game through the league pass video option it takes me to a login screen instead of playing the video. Odd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 17, 2012, 10:10:37 PM
Flop more, Jackson.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 18, 2012, 12:04:47 AM
:bow Roddy B :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 18, 2012, 12:12:41 AM
Raptors become the first team to lose to the Bobcats twice this year  :lol

BTW PD, anyone ever told you you look like Ed Davis?  It's uncanny.

(http://i.imgur.com/P58eV.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 18, 2012, 12:13:13 AM
Or maybe all black people look alike, the fuck do I know?  Fun game tonight though  :-*
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 18, 2012, 12:19:32 AM
My family members say I look like Chris Webber
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 18, 2012, 12:25:59 AM
I don't see that at all but I've only seen a couple of pics of you.  Maybe when you smile?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: etiolate on March 18, 2012, 12:51:43 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 18, 2012, 12:19:32 AM
My family members say I look like Chris Webber

He's gone geek chic.

When looking at pics of you and Cwebb, I discovered that Webber has his own SiriusXM radio show.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 18, 2012, 01:02:58 AM
(http://tinyurl.com/74smhme)
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/16735_187929906107_681976107_2798365_7599535_n.jpg)

Eh I can kind of see it, but not as much as my aunts/grandma/uncles
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 18, 2012, 01:21:47 AM
It's around the mouth.  You guys have like the same mouth.  THINK ABOUT THAT.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 18, 2012, 01:22:42 AM
Quote from: DJ_Tet on March 18, 2012, 12:12:41 AM

(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/16735_187929906107_681976107_2798365_7599535_n.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/oM1bi.jpg)

same same!

but yeah I can see it in the young webber pic too, I was thinking old webber

(http://www.missxpose.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/webber.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 19, 2012, 12:13:56 AM
Bynum FG:12-14 33 points
Gasol   FG:8-12 18 points


Kobe   FG:3-20 15 points.

And nobody in the organization has the balls to say the obvious.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 19, 2012, 02:59:52 AM

3 for 20 and seven turnovers?  :-X

Over his last eight games, he has shot 36.6% from the field. The last time he's taken less than 20 shots was on Feb 22, nearly a month ago.



Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 19, 2012, 09:36:45 AM
Quote
"The bottom line is, he's our guy," Lakers coach Mike Brown said. "The shots he took, I'd give it to him again. I don't know how many shots he missed near the rim -- I mean, point-blank shots."

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 19, 2012, 11:45:58 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM2UW7ofGLM
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 19, 2012, 11:51:48 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 19, 2012, 09:36:45 AM
Quote
"The bottom line is, he's our guy," Lakers coach Mike Brown said. "The shots he took, I'd give it to him again. I don't know how many shots he missed near the rim -- I mean, point-blank shots."

:lol

He makes it sound like a pickup game at the local gym.  Shame on Mike Brown.  I used to respect him and defended his abilities as a coach but it's obvious he's just a pushover for superstars.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 19, 2012, 03:07:16 PM
I see Mike Brown has learned absolute dick about coaching.  I think that's almost verbatim a quote he said many times about Bron Bron.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 19, 2012, 03:41:32 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 19, 2012, 11:51:48 AM
Shame on Mike Brown.  I used to respect him and defended his abilities as a coach but it's obvious he's just a pushover for superstars.

(http://i42.tinypic.com/28lyo39.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 19, 2012, 08:53:25 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on March 19, 2012, 03:41:32 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 19, 2012, 11:51:48 AM
Shame on Mike Brown.  I used to respect him and defended his abilities as a coach but it's obvious he's just a pushover for superstars.

(http://i42.tinypic.com/28lyo39.jpg)

dying
Title: Unlike a bosh
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 20, 2012, 01:04:00 AM
30 minutes, 33 points, 12-19, 11 boards, 6 assists

"Father time, bro. Father time is catching up with him. That's all it is . . . . That’s the way it happens, bro. You drop off the face of the earth. His days of being the man, those days are over. I hate to break it to you." -Charles Barkley less than two months ago on Nowitzki
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 20, 2012, 01:09:37 AM
Too lazy to check whether this is true . . . .

Games shooting over 50% this season:
LeBron: 28
Durant: 22
Kobe: 6

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 20, 2012, 01:10:05 AM
Wonder what Fat Chuck has to say about Kobe!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 20, 2012, 01:10:32 AM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on March 20, 2012, 01:04:00 AM
30 minutes, 33 points, 12-19, 11 boards, 6 assists

:bow
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 20, 2012, 10:00:44 PM
The Knicks must really like Lays potato chips.



Bryant: 7-20
Gasol plus Bynum: 15-21
 :usacry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: pilonv1 on March 20, 2012, 10:19:55 PM
Kobe, 10/41 across 2 games now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 20, 2012, 10:21:56 PM
Let's go Rockets. woot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 20, 2012, 10:38:38 PM
He's had a shit season imo. The fact that some people were seriously trying to talk him up as an mvp candidate is nuts. His loss of athleticism is making him pretty bad. He's not compensating my playing smarter. He's just jacking up more shots to try to get the same level of production even though its obvious that team should be far more bynum and gasol centric.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Fall of the Knicks. Bring back Isiah!)
Post by: pilonv1 on March 20, 2012, 10:44:13 PM
10/27 :lol

13/48 in two games
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 21, 2012, 12:38:54 AM
Wade/Paul
Rose/Westbrook or Kobe
Kobe or Westbrook/ Parker
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 21, 2012, 12:45:36 AM
Kobe has earned the right to miss any shot, you ingrates! /lakerfans
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 21, 2012, 12:56:17 AM
I was gonna say that Kobe's helped by SG being so weak, but they don't always stick to a PG/SG duo in the all-NBA teams.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 21, 2012, 01:08:28 AM
Not one to make excuses for Kobe but it seems like everyone forgot he was supposed to have wrist surgery right after the beginning of the season.

I don't remember if it was his shooting hand or not but I wonder if he's wearing down playing through that injury.

I was looking forward to inflated Pau numbers for my fantasy team but that obviously never happened  :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 21, 2012, 01:18:20 AM
That makes it just that much worse- so he's injured, inaccurate and STILL won't hand the ball off?  Fuck him.  I know he's a great player and all, but when you don't have it you have to adapt man.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 21, 2012, 01:42:09 AM
Agreed.  With Bynum coming into his own and being healthy finally there's no reason not to pound the ball.  What center other than Howard can even match up with Bynum, especially with Gasol on the other side crashing the offensive glass.

No reason to jack up 30 jumpshots when you've got twin towers that could dominate the glass every night.  Not to mention both of them are skilled as hell offensively.

If Brown was any sort of coach he would make that happen.  If Bryant was any sort of team player, he would be embracing the two guys instead of chasing the all-time points title.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 21, 2012, 01:17:44 PM
Not sure why they would want him but whatever.

Quote
Derek Fisher is in advanced negotiations with the Oklahoma City Thunder to sign with the Western Conference leaders after clearing waivers, according to sources close to the situation.

Fisher is scheduled to clear waivers at 6 p.m. ET Wednesday. One source with knowledge of the talks told ESPN.com that Fisher is "very close" to committing to sign with the Thunder once he becomes a free agent.


ESPN.com reported Monday the Thunder and the Miami Heat had emerged as the two frontrunners to sign Fisher, who was officially released Monday night by the Houston Rockets after securing a buyout from Houston in the wake of last week's trade that brought an end to Fisher's second stint with the Los Angeles Lakers.

Sources told ESPN.com the Heat have made a strong recruitment effort to sign Fisher, but the Thunder have more financial flexibility to sign him and more of a role to offer after the loss of backup point guard Eric Maynor in early January to a season-ending knee injury. There also is a feeling among some rival teams that Fisher prefers to stay in the West, where he has played his entire career.

Another advantage for the Thunder, sources said, is Fisher's agent, Rob Pelinka, just signed Thunder star Kevin Durant. Pelinka also represents Thunder swingman James Harden.

If the deal goes through, as expected, Fisher potentially will face the Lakers twice during the regular season at Staples Center (March 29 and April 22) before the playoffs.

At the morning shootaround before Tuesday night's game against the Utah Jazz, Durant strongly endorsed the prospect of signing Fisher to The Oklahoman, telling the newspaper: "Derek is a consummate professional ... an unbelievable leader. And he played with arguably one of the greatest players to ever play in Kobe (Bryant), and Kobe really respected him as a player and wanted him on his team, so that speaks volumes."

"We have a great corps of point guards leading off with Russ (Russell Westbrook) and then Reggie (Jackson) and Royal (Ivey)," Durant continued. "But adding another guy that can come in and give us some good minutes here and there and bring his leadership and winning plays here would be cool. But it's one of those things that you really don't know too much about. We got to just see what happens. (Fisher) is a Thunder guy as far as character and off the court is concerned. But we'll see what happens."

With the Chicago Bulls needing another big man more than another guard and the San Antonio Spurs still hopeful they can complete the signing of a guard by week's end, Oklahoma City and Miami emerged Monday as the two most likely landing spots for the 16-year veteran.

The Heat explored the possibility of signing Fisher when he was a free agent in the summer of 2010 and have strong interest now, sources say, even if they are successful in signing veteran forward Ronny Turiaf this week. Miami has only one open roster spot at present, but rookie shooting guard Terrel Harris hasn't played in six weeks and thus looms as a potential candidate to make way if the Heat need to make room for two signings.

Sources say the thought of signing with the Bulls is something that strongly interested Fisher, but Chicago is well stocked at point guard and appears to be focused on trying to land a forward such as Turiaf. The Los Angeles Clippers, sources say, have likewise shown little interest in pursuing Fisher, even though the Clippers -- like Miami and Oklahoma City -- have a need for a playoff-tested guard after Chauncey Billups' season-ending Achilles tear and with star guard Chris Paul carrying an increasingly heavy load.

The Spurs, by contrast, long have been fans of Fisher, sources said. But San Antonio, by all indications, is pressing ahead on the Patrick Mills front in hopes of completing its planned signing of the Australian point guard, who spent much of this season playing in China.

Fisher was officially placed on waivers at 6 p.m. ET Monday, giving teams under the salary cap 48 hours to claim him. He was owed a little less than $1 million for the rest of this season and had a player option worth $3.4 million for next season. But the Houston Chronicle reported Monday that Fisher surrendered his entire 2012-13 salary to secure his buyout from the Rockets.

Players seeking buyouts this month must be waived by Friday to be eligible to play in the playoffs with another team.

Fisher's surrender of next season's $3.4 million marks the second time in his career that he has left a significant amount of money on the table to facilitate a move he wants. In 2007, Fisher gave up roughly $8 million owed by the Utah Jazz to return to the Lakers -- with whom he began his career alongside Bryant in 1996-97 -- so Fisher's family could be closer to the doctors who were treating his daughter for a rare form of eye cancer.

The Rockets gave Fisher's representatives permission to speak with about a half-dozen teams over the weekend to gauge interest in him during the buyout discussions, sources said.

Fisher has made no public statements since his surprising trade from the franchise with which he has been a part of five championship teams. Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak has admitted that he didn't give Fisher or his representatives a heads up that a deal was in the works before Thursday's trade deadline, and said later that he could understand if Fisher was "emotional" over the situation.

"He may have caught wind of the rumor a day or two ago, but there was no heads up given," Kupchak said Thursday. "It's not necessary, because a lot of times there's nothing to the rumors. How many times was one of our players traded in the last 10 days and it never took place? So you can't spend your time dispelling or confirming rumors.

"But when something like this does happen, I can imagine what he's going through. I've never really gone through it, but to be in one place, to have the kind of contribution, midseason, it's got to be pretty emotional. We'll talk at the right time."

Once he clears waivers, Fisher is free to sign with any team except the Lakers because league rules prevent teams from trading players away and immediately re-signing them.

Fisher had played in 537 consecutive games prior to being dealt to the Rockets. They had acquired him Thursday afternoon with the hopes of convincing Fisher to stay with them the remainder of the season, largely because star point guard Kyle Lowry is still recovering from a bacterial infection.

The Rockets, though, ultimately decided not to oppose Fisher's wish to be set free thanks to Fisher's willingness to give up next season's player option and that Houston also landed Dallas' 2012 protected first-round pick from the Lakers, which L.A. had acquired in December as part of the Lamar Odom deal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on March 21, 2012, 06:48:09 PM
Because their backup is Reggie Jackson since Eric Maynor is out for the year? Also allows Fisher to go for revenge. Either there or Chicago was the best option for him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 21, 2012, 07:40:54 PM
He is shot imo but we'll see.

Knicks playing Philly on espn also.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 21, 2012, 08:06:53 PM
Fisher is probably angling for a near-future coaching spot at this point :lol Perhaps he senses weakness in the form of Brooks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 21, 2012, 10:24:36 PM
Dirk is shooting like Kobe. That shit is contagious.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 21, 2012, 10:51:21 PM
Knicks are such a weird team. 5-0 since the coaching change. And crazy enough they are only 3 games out of first as Philly has been fading. The Celtics are only like a game back or something.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 21, 2012, 10:52:30 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 21, 2012, 08:06:53 PM
Fisher is probably angling for a near-future coaching spot at this point :lol Perhaps he senses weakness in the form of Brooks.

I never understood all the rumours around Brooks especially when there are so few rumours about Spoelstra.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 21, 2012, 11:16:24 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on March 21, 2012, 10:24:36 PM
Dirk is shooting like Kobe. That shit is contagious.

(http://tinyurl.com/4ycdwcs)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 21, 2012, 11:55:10 PM
Go 11 for 18 against the Mavs, Kobe, after going 13 for 47 in your last two games. Come on!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on March 21, 2012, 11:57:27 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 21, 2012, 10:51:21 PM
Knicks are such a weird team. 5-0 since the coaching change. And crazy enough they are only 3 games out of first as Philly has been fading. The Celtics are only like a game back or something.
:elephant
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 22, 2012, 12:06:07 AM
Fisher is still helping the Lakers after they waived him.  Any contender that gives him playing time is automatically worse. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 22, 2012, 12:15:32 AM
How does Kobe get so much respect?  Is it the smirk or angry face?  I swear he gets even more deified than Jordan did. 

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/03/21/blogtable-does-kobe-need-to-change-his-game/

Shaun Powell: Kobe shouldn’t change his game until and unless the Lakers change his supporting cast. As in, if they acquired another high-level scorer who needed shots. Beyond that, Kobe needs to be Kobe, and anyway, change for him would be difficult unless it was forced upon him for injury reasons. Kobe passing up shots for Steve Blake will not make the Lakers better, nor would it make Blake better

No one is asking Kobe to pass up shots for Blake, moran!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 22, 2012, 12:18:25 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 22, 2012, 12:06:07 AM
Fisher is still helping the Lakers after they waived him.  Any contender that gives him playing time is automatically worse.

They didn't waive him.  They traded him and he refused to report, and was bought out.

Great job by the head of the NBAPA.  Sets a good example for the league.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 22, 2012, 12:23:29 AM
Quote from: DJ_Tet on March 22, 2012, 12:18:25 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 22, 2012, 12:06:07 AM
Fisher is still helping the Lakers after they waived him.  Any contender that gives him playing time is automatically worse.

They didn't waive him.  They traded him and he refused to report, and was bought out.

Great job by the head of the NBAPA.  Sets a good example for the league.

That proves my point that Fisher's still a great Laker.  He knows it won't do the Lakers much good to make the Rockets worse. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 22, 2012, 01:13:42 AM
Odom is also a great Laker.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 22, 2012, 01:58:47 AM
Odom and Fisher are both bitches.  Boris Diaw is a bitch too.

NBA sucks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 22, 2012, 01:59:00 PM
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jpmoore/21-reasons-you-should-be-following-the-nbas-weird
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 22, 2012, 02:03:08 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 22, 2012, 01:59:00 PM
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jpmoore/21-reasons-you-should-be-following-the-nbas-weird

:lol :lol

(http://i.imgur.com/1H5X4.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on March 22, 2012, 03:02:48 PM
holy shit  :rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on March 22, 2012, 03:46:47 PM
I'm convinced that he has no real friends. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 22, 2012, 04:47:34 PM
I like how it seems he lives in an apartment that a 20 year old best buy employee might inhabit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Robo on March 22, 2012, 05:21:04 PM
Traded to the Nuggets for Nene.

 :bow Wizards :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 22, 2012, 07:25:12 PM
Did anyone see the end of the Sixers-Knicks? I was sure someone would have had a gif by now. The Sixers were within 3 pts after making a 3 but just gave the ball back to the Knicks without fouling. It was so bizarre. JR Smith had the ball and even HE knew to expect to be fouled but they all just walked away from him, with Doug Collins screaming from mid-court. Otherwise it was a great game, albeit low-scoring.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on March 22, 2012, 09:18:38 PM
Yeah, that was pretty awkward.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 22, 2012, 10:18:17 PM
I think the announcers' explanation was that the Sixers forgot they were only down by 3 and still had a slight chance.  In reality, the players probably didn't want to work so hard for a .01% chance of tying the game. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on March 22, 2012, 11:13:41 PM
I hope the Knicks can keep playing like this. Their schedule gets much harder for the rest of the season starting next week and the Bucks are only like 2 games behind them. Bucks also have a much easier schedule in comparison for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 23, 2012, 01:12:29 AM
Quote
Vinny Del Negro losing Clippers?
Updated: March 22, 2012, 11:30 PM ET
By Chris Broussard | ESPN The Magazine

With the Los Angeles Clippers in free fall, tensions are high in the club's locker room, most notably in the relationship between coach Vinny Del Negro and his players, according to several sources close to the situation.

"Vinny has lost the team," one source said. "They don't want to play hard for him."

With the Clippers having lost 11 of their past 18 games to turn this once-promising season into a mess, Del Negro's job security would certainly seem to be in jeopardy. As it is, Del Negro is in the final guaranteed season of his contract. The Clippers hold a team option for next season.

Most of the players, according to sources, believe it's time for a change. They cite the uncertainty of Del Negro's rotation as a major problem. With the front office adding several players to the roster throughout this shortened season -- Reggie Evans, Kenyon Martin, Bobby Simmons and Nick Young -- plus Eric Bledsoe's return from injury in February, players' minutes have fluctuated from game to game.

For instance, in one four-game stretch this month, Bledsoe played 6 minutes one game, 16 the next, then 4 minutes, then 17. And while starting at shooting guard, Randy Foye has played 35 minutes on some nights and 14 or 16 on others. This week, he lost his starting job to Young and did not play a minute in Tuesday's loss to Indiana.

Beyond that, players have complained that Del Negro's offensive and defensive schemes are too basic and predictable and they say he plays favorites when handing out criticism, according to the sources. They say while he refuses to harshly criticize stars Chris Paul and Blake Griffin, he does not hold back in jumping on the team's lesser players.

"That's a big problem," one player said. "The best coaches jump on whoever deserves it, no matter who it is."

After beating Miami, Oklahoma City, Orlando and the Los Angeles Lakers en route to a 19-9 start, the Clippers, who have an 11-13 record since Chauncey Billups went down with an Achilles injury, have fallen to the fifth seed in the Western Conference and are just two games ahead of ninth-place Utah.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 23, 2012, 02:30:08 AM
I played this division III player one on one yesterday: http://tinyurl.com/7qxp4by

Obviously, by his stats, he was just a very average player.  In practice though, he's insanely accurate.  He easily shot at least ninety percent from 3pt range.  His Dirk Nowitzki fadeaway from 15-17 is just as accurate from any angle.  Even with about 18 inches of space, he was able to make his shot in my face.  Guy is almost unstoppable with no help from behind.  The only way to stop him is to be chest to chest with him and make him drive but obviously that doesn't work too well in 1 on 1. 

He still wasn't able to stop my explosive first step and elite elevation though. :smug  I was intimidated at first but after my first basket, I just scored on him at will.  He won 5-3 though, because he had ball first and I was stupid enough to take my shaky J when it was 4-3. 

If a Div III player can be that good a shooter, someone like Steve Nash must be money at 10 ft from NBA 3 during practice. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 23, 2012, 03:25:42 AM
What I didn't mention about Dwight Howard's warmups was that he was fucking draining the 3s.  I think he made 5 out of 6 from the corner when I was watching him.

Everyone in the NBA can shoot like that in warmups, it's pretty cool to see.

There's the story about Drazen Petrovich (rip) that he nailed 99 out of 103 NBA 3s in a workout once.  That would have been so badass to see.  I bet Dell Curry could do something similar, Glen Rice too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 23, 2012, 03:37:24 AM
Everyone except Lebron.  :lol

Lebron's my #1 but I'm pretty sure there're plenty of amateur ballers out there who can beat him in HORSE.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 23, 2012, 10:37:12 AM
I think I've told this story but back when I was a kid, my older sister date a division 1 college basketball player from a crappy team. He was like the second best player on the team and he was amazing. We went out to the park one time and he destroyed fools. I was amazed at his ability. And this dude never even would have got a shot in the NBA. He went overseas for a bit after college but then came bacl and got a regular job. It always impressed me about what the skill level of a real nba player is.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 23, 2012, 12:23:43 PM
I mean, just look at an elite college player like Melo getting destroyed in the pros. Makes you think.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T234 on March 23, 2012, 07:50:17 PM
And then there's alot of NBA elites who were dominated in their college days like Kevin Durant.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on March 23, 2012, 09:20:22 PM
Knicks are back to normal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 23, 2012, 09:25:43 PM
Why even play Brian Cardinal?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 24, 2012, 12:23:49 AM
Celtics had a chance at first place tonight and couldn't do it. Although I think Ray Allen missed the game or something.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2012, 12:44:17 AM
Kevin Love :o
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 24, 2012, 12:45:32 AM
Quote from: T234 on March 23, 2012, 07:50:17 PM
And then there's alot of NBA elites who were dominated in their college days like Kevin Durant.

...what?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2012, 01:00:18 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 23, 2012, 12:23:43 PM
I mean, just look at an elite college player like Melo getting destroyed in the pros. Makes you think.

Melo is very talented and good, if anything he clearly isn't a hard worker and hasn't improved teh weaknesses in his game like LeBron and Wade have. His first few seasons in the league were solid. I'd imagine you're trolling though so meh

A better example (at least so far) would be Michael Beasley, who dominated in college as well. He had a decent NCAA tournament run; K State got to the second round and was deestroyyyed by Wisconsin, and while Beasley had a good game overall he got shut down in the second half (and partially ruined my bracket that year god dammit).

He's still young and has time to grow, but he hasn't been nearly as good as I assumed he'd be.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 24, 2012, 01:13:20 AM
Surely he was being sarcastic there, I just can't figure out the whole post.

Beasley would be a decent example but much better would be JJ Redick or Tyler Hansbrough.  No one said that college dominance = NBA success.

All I said was that Durant's one year of CBB does not go down as one of the great college careers of all time.

On that note, neither does Carmelo Anthony's.  I could list 20 guys who had a better 'college career' than Anthony.  Probably way more.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 24, 2012, 05:35:38 AM
that game was amazing.  minnesota is gonna be amazing in the nest two years
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 24, 2012, 08:36:41 AM
Wolves - OKC was a classic, pity fucking League Pass spoils it for you now by listing the overtimes (even with scores disabled)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on March 24, 2012, 08:42:50 AM
They did that before the redesign too. Fucking infuriating stuff, I've emailed them constantly about it and they won't change it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 24, 2012, 12:49:33 PM
Does League Pass let you watch games on demand?  Or did you dvr that game?  I don't follow you, never had League Pass.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 24, 2012, 09:27:39 PM
Yeah, LP has all the games for the entire season on demand. Very handy if you decide to, say, watch every Linsanity game.

I never noticed the OT notification before, god knows I've watched dozens of OT games on it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 24, 2012, 10:08:58 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 24, 2012, 09:27:39 PM
Yeah, LP has all the games for the entire season on demand. Very handy if you decide to, say, watch every Linsanity game.

I never noticed the OT notification before, god knows I've watched dozens of OT games on it.

wow...that's awesome as hell

Does that include in-market games that were blacked out when they were live?

That's a total game changer for me, the on-demand games, I'm not sure why I didn't know that.  Hell, for in-market games that are blacked out I don't mind waiting a few hours, I can avoid scores pretty well nowadays.

Since we're ranting about spoilers, when I go to Bobcats games in March they think it's their duty to put up scores from the ACC Tournament and NCAA Tournament games.  It's beyond infuriating.

We're in the era of DVRs, most people who bother going to Bobcats games I have to assume are diehard basketball fans, and as such in this area likely root for either UNC, Duke or NCST as well.  I know when my team is playing at the same time as a Bobcats game I set my DVR and watch the game when I get home.

But they put the scores of the most important games up on the big screen during breaks.  Last night they put the UNC-Ohio score up twice, the second time going so far to say it over the PA system.

In addition to DVRs, most people have these things called smartphones.  They can use them to access all sorts of things online, like say, basketball scores in real time.

I don't know why they insist on ruining scores for people who probably are just like me, but they do it year after year.  I know people who skip Bobcats games in March because of this practice, it's maddening.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 24, 2012, 10:23:30 PM
OT :/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 24, 2012, 10:46:04 PM
backcourt violation? OMGMAVS
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on March 25, 2012, 03:27:21 AM
fuck you Kings :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 25, 2012, 09:16:12 AM
Miami at OKC tonight.

In preperation my brother came over and we played the exact same matchup on NBA 2k12.


I was the Heat. I lost.

 :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 25, 2012, 09:30:48 AM
lulz. I was looking at stats and noticed again how poorly Carmelo is performing this year. And even more worrying is that he hasn't gotten any better since the coaching change.

His FG% for the year .399
For the last 10 games .393


Amare by comparison has been turning it up. His FG% for the year is .477 which is way below his career numbers but much better than where it was early in the year when it was in the low 40's. Over the last 10. A nice .589
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T234 on March 25, 2012, 09:39:29 AM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on March 24, 2012, 12:45:32 AM
Quote from: T234 on March 23, 2012, 07:50:17 PM
And then there's alot of NBA elites who were dominated in their college days like Kevin Durant.

...what?

Was a call back to the earlier discussion. :P
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 25, 2012, 12:16:02 PM
Melo took a 15 footer against the Pistons that was off by like a foot. Just mystifying. He looks as baffled and frustrated as anyone, which suggests it is mental rather than physical. He hustled pretty well though - it was still worth having him out there. But forget about matching him against LeBron or Durant, he's not in their league this year at all. Could be just the pressure of being the savior in NY is getting to him.

In the meantime, Lin continues to quietly cement his hold on the team by feeding everyone the ball where they can do something with it, and romping into the paint for FTs or lay-ups.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 25, 2012, 06:09:37 PM
Man the bulls are impressive. A really likable squad and they fucking play hard every night. It would kinda be a shame if they don't win a title this year.

Easily the best record in the league and they are 12-4 without their best player. That team does not take nights off.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 25, 2012, 06:45:25 PM
Quote from: T234 on March 25, 2012, 09:39:29 AM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on March 24, 2012, 12:45:32 AM
Quote from: T234 on March 23, 2012, 07:50:17 PM
And then there's alot of NBA elites who were dominated in their college days like Kevin Durant.

...what?

Was a call back to the earlier discussion. :P

Oh, ok, I wasn't sure how serious you were.  8)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 25, 2012, 08:08:34 PM
Heat - OKC tonight, could be a cracker. Someone just tweeted that LeBron is holding opponents to 19% FG on isolations, making him officially the best one-on-one defender in the league. Let's see what KD can do then.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 25, 2012, 09:15:32 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 25, 2012, 08:08:34 PM
Let's see what KD can do then.

Looks like quite a bit, so far: 8-10, 18 points
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 25, 2012, 09:57:53 PM
Wade  :o
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 25, 2012, 10:19:07 PM
Why can't the Heat PGs play every game like they're going against Jeremy Lin? 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 25, 2012, 10:29:48 PM
shitty game, turned it off awhile ago

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 25, 2012, 10:30:45 PM
Awesome game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 25, 2012, 10:32:26 PM
Not surprising. I've often seen Miami struggle on the road in big games and barely seem to show up. It's why I have a hard time trusting them this year. Like when they got beat by the bulls a few weeks earlier without Derrick Rose.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 25, 2012, 10:38:43 PM
(http://www.abload.de/img/untitled-6goaad.gif)

Wade doing what he does best, being a bitch  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 25, 2012, 11:54:08 PM
Impressive win for the Thunder, looked comfortable all the way even after double OT the night before (both home games but still).
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 26, 2012, 12:42:43 AM
Nice win/game for the Grizz. This could be a first round match-up in the western conference.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 26, 2012, 02:51:56 AM
Mike Brown took a bit of a shot at Kobe by sitting him late...maybe he's beginning to grow a pair.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on March 26, 2012, 05:09:51 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYnSFS5nt_s

I'm all in with JENKSANITY :hyper
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 26, 2012, 04:59:14 PM
http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/7739872/dallas-mavericks-lamar-odom-calls-fans-boos-confusing-hurtful

I'm not sure which part he found confusing?  ???
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Lovingsteam on March 26, 2012, 05:29:37 PM
So happy to have COTY Mike Brown with the Lakers. So fantastically superb.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 26, 2012, 06:11:25 PM
Bucks at NY tonight in a battle for that 8th playoff slot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on March 26, 2012, 06:49:17 PM
No Amare, no Lin, no JR Smith, Melo starting at the 4.

Ellis will get 40 and Ersan/Udoh will contain Melo
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on March 26, 2012, 07:38:40 PM
Why is JR out? UGH
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 26, 2012, 07:43:09 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on March 26, 2012, 04:59:14 PM
http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/7739872/dallas-mavericks-lamar-odom-calls-fans-boos-confusing-hurtful

I'm not sure which part he found confusing?  ???

:lol

Odom is still playing for the Lakers, in his head.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 26, 2012, 07:48:54 PM
A power-forward with a .343FG%?  :-\

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 26, 2012, 08:01:26 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on March 26, 2012, 04:59:14 PM
http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/7739872/dallas-mavericks-lamar-odom-calls-fans-boos-confusing-hurtful

I'm not sure which part he found confusing?  ???

Probably that so many Laker fans could remember the players on the roster other than Kobe. It is truly amazing. He shouldn't worry thoguh. Much like it was with Shaq, they'll forget he ever was a Laker in a couple years.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 26, 2012, 08:23:25 PM
Quote from: etiolate on March 26, 2012, 08:01:26 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on March 26, 2012, 04:59:14 PM
http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/7739872/dallas-mavericks-lamar-odom-calls-fans-boos-confusing-hurtful

I'm not sure which part he found confusing?  ???

Probably that so many Laker fans could remember the players on the roster other than Kobe. It is truly amazing. He shouldn't worry thoguh. Much like it was with Shaq, they'll forget he ever was a Laker in a couple years.

He's complaining about DALLAS fans booing him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 26, 2012, 08:28:02 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on March 26, 2012, 07:48:54 PM
A power-forward with a .343FG%?  :-\

More like weak-forward.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 26, 2012, 08:57:40 PM
It's mostly depressing because Carlisle could have gotten a career year out of him if he'd gotten it together. He could have played as many minutes as he wanted on that team. Oh well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 26, 2012, 09:03:21 PM
According to Al Trautwig, Amare has a 'bulging dick' which will be treated non-surgically :teehee
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 26, 2012, 09:14:39 PM
Generally you only need surgery if it lasts longer than 4 hours.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 26, 2012, 09:30:40 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 26, 2012, 08:23:25 PM
Quote from: etiolate on March 26, 2012, 08:01:26 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on March 26, 2012, 04:59:14 PM
http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/7739872/dallas-mavericks-lamar-odom-calls-fans-boos-confusing-hurtful

I'm not sure which part he found confusing?  ???

Probably that so many Laker fans could remember the players on the roster other than Kobe. It is truly amazing. He shouldn't worry thoguh. Much like it was with Shaq, they'll forget he ever was a Laker in a couple years.

He's complaining about DALLAS fans booing him.

WELL THEN

*ninja vanish*
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 26, 2012, 10:13:36 PM
Unfortunate about Amare. He was just hitting his stride finally this season. And it sounds serious.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on March 26, 2012, 10:17:18 PM
Will Linsanity return if Melo is also out on Wednesday? TUNE IN
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 27, 2012, 12:01:19 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 26, 2012, 09:03:21 PM
According to Al Trautwig, Amare has a 'bulging dick' which will be treated non-surgically :teehee

Shopped but still.

(http://i.imgur.com/K0fhl.jpg)

 :nsfw

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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 27, 2012, 12:23:39 AM
Popovich is so cold.

(http://www.slamonline.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/DND-OLD-634x356.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 27, 2012, 01:02:13 PM
Miami 8-6 since the All-Star break. All the losses have been on the road.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 27, 2012, 04:22:33 PM

LeBron can't take the Heat on the road.

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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 27, 2012, 04:31:26 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/39318/tanking-is-the-tip-of-the-iceberg

At the end, he breaks down all the terrible moves by the Kings. I think he underestimates their draft picks a bit, but the coaching and personnel choices are hilariously bad/ =(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 27, 2012, 10:52:11 PM
Any good games today? (don't want to look at ESPN...). Watching Wolves - Grizz now, but it's in hand...
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on March 28, 2012, 12:11:42 AM
The Lakers/Warriors tankjob is on now, but I don't think it's a good game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 28, 2012, 12:17:21 AM
i lol'ed at Ethan Strauss the other day - 'The GSW suffered a crushing victory tonight'
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on March 28, 2012, 12:23:22 AM
He's awesome on twitter. I am 100% behind his unweighted lottery plan now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 28, 2012, 12:29:14 AM
Yeah. In general the suggestions (both small and large) this True Hoop campaign is generating are really interesting. Fixing tanking would be huge. I kinda think we need for Stern to go first though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on March 28, 2012, 12:34:49 AM
I support weighting over a number of years.

I also support reverse weighting as well as no weighting.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on March 28, 2012, 12:52:48 AM
This game sounds great now, wish I wasn't going out tonight so I could watch the replay :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 28, 2012, 01:12:09 AM
The whole "tank for a superstar" philosophy is a product of how Stern runs the league. You would need to have him and anyone like in mindto him out of office to improve the competitive nature of the NBA.

But something missing in this perspective is that teams like the Pacers, Sixers and Nuggets have improved while not having a lottery winner. I guess the Nuggets acquired their team by trading their drafted superstar, but that's not normally how you build. You could say the Grizz improved while having Rudy Gay as their best draft pick. Winning the lottery isn't the sole way of becoming a winning team, but I think most of the NBA feels its the only way for smaller markets to get the support of the NBA. This includes the refs, the media and the general spotlight.

The article commented on the Kings letting Adelman and Scott Brooks go, but forget that the Kings interviewed Thibodeau twice and passed over him due to his lack of media savvy persona. They went with Theus and Westphal because they felt they worked the PR part better. That says something about what owners think is needed to win or it says something about what the owners are really looking to do. Either they think media presence is important enough to pass over a good coach or they rather have a smiling spinmaster while they waste away the years.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 28, 2012, 01:37:39 AM
It's not like tanking's exclusive to the NBA.  http://www.google.com/webhp?q=suck%20for%20luck#hl=en&q=suck+for+luck&oq=suck+for+luck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 28, 2012, 01:47:16 AM
No one better say the Bobcats are tanking or we're gonna have words.

That's why I'm going to be so pissed if we don't get the #1 pick, we're legitimately terrible.  Hell the Wizards have beat us twice by 20 pts.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 28, 2012, 01:59:37 AM
no. 1 pick rarely goes to the worst team though.  It's still a lottery. The Bobcats are awful but they've made some terrible decisions to get there (after getting a ton of high draft picks AND an expansion draft!). Under the current rules, they deserve another lottery pick of course, but i don't see why they deserve to get the next LeBron, really. I'd be fucking pissed to have to watch the next big thing play for a team that can't build a decent team around them...and try to cut salary at the same time...

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 28, 2012, 02:12:03 AM
Yeah but most of the stuff you mentioned goes back to the previous owner.  Jordan gets a lot of shit but 99% of the bad decisions go back to Bob Johnson.

Cleveland has a shitty owner but no one said anything about him getting LeBron (or Kyrie with a lucky pick.)

Jordan hasn't had a chance to build the team yet.  The team he inherited should have been a lot stronger than it was, we had the talent to get to the playoffs but were not going to get any better, because the foundation it was built on was shitty due to lots of bad lottery picks.

He chose to dismantle the team.  The two key players, Wallace and Jackson, have both already been traded again, for pennies compared to what we got for them.  We got a 1st for Wallace and cleared cap space, and we're still owed another 1st.  Jackson we got a high 1st for in trade for the Wallace pick, as well as Corey Maggette who is contributing at a higher level than Jackson has this year.  Turned that into Biyombo who is already playing at a high level defensively when he wasn't supposed to contribute at all for a couple of years.

Jack has been traded twice since we traded him, I'd say we did pretty good in both those deals.  We'll see what happens with the cap space (nothing, probably) but you can't try if you don't at least have that.  At the very least we're positioned to make moves in the future when the previous owner hamstrung us with shitty contracts to Diop and Carroll (who we got rid of by a miracle and then took back in trade...)

So you can be pissed at whatever you like but Charlotte is 19th in attendance right now with one of the all-time worst teams in NBA history.  This market deserves better after all the shit we've had to put up with.  I know we aren't even likely to get the #1 pick but I'm going to be really upset at the NBA if it goes to New Orleans, a team that is clearly tanking (just look at pt differential in close games.) 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 28, 2012, 02:21:47 AM
Of course we deserved to keep our name and history too but the NBA didn't give a shit about a decade's worth of sell outs so they basically poisoned the market.

I don't really understand that, it was pretty much common knowledge that Charlotte was going to get a new team even at the time, they just had to build the downtown arena.

In comparison Seattle got to keep their history and now it looks unlikely they will even get a new team.  Sacramento is building their new arena and I heard New Orleans signed a 20 year lease with no out clause.  So the Sonics get to keep their records and their championship (as they should) but they aren't going to get a team to fill that void.

Obviously I'd rather have the team but I think if the NBA had let Charlotte keep the Hornets (a name with history going back to the Civil War in this area) it would have done a lot to foster some good will.  Of course Bob Johnson would have burned through that good will by now too, but at least we wouldn't be having a stupid discussion about changing our team's name to another name that isn't even available.

Don't get me started on Bob Johnson.  That guy has to be the dumbest, most entitled billionaire to set foot in professional sports.  As many stupid decisions he made building the team on the court, there was an equally bad decision off the court.  The guy put the Bobcats on local tv on a special CABLE ONLY network for the first 4 years of the team.  You had to have cable to get it (not on satellite) and you had to pay $10 a month extra for the sports package.  First off, everyone knows that diehard sports fans have DirecTV because of the NFL deal (even worse back then because you couldn't get Red Zone channel anywhere else, it's a little better now.)  So he went head to head with the NFL and lost, predictably, and no one in Charlotte cared cause they were still hurting from the loss of the Hornets.

Don't believe everything Bill Simmons says about Charlotte.  He still hates us for ending Kevin McHale's career and he's a bitter twat when it comes to Charlotte.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 28, 2012, 02:28:26 AM
And before you say Jordan is the worst GM to ever live blah blah blah understand that he's trying to make changes in that area too.  We snatched up Rich Cho after the Blazers fired him and word has it he's been given basically free reign.  Jordan does have the last decision but he also understands now that he  needs good people in place that aren't afraid to have opinions instead of yes men.  Cho is anything but a yes man and I trust he'll build this team the right way.

We had to bottom out.  Who have we lost that did anything better elsewhere besides Chandler from that playoff team anyway?  Felton is basically the worst starting PG in the league.  Wallace is doing about the same, a little worse (hated to lose him but like I said we got a lot for him and still have another draft pick coming.)  Jack bitched about wanting a new contract and is a bench player on the Spurs now.

What other choice did he have but to do what we've done?  We should have been a stronger team by the time we made the playoffs but when you waste that many high draft picks then we're lucky we even made the playoffs. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 28, 2012, 02:35:46 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on March 28, 2012, 02:27:30 AM
I think Bynum tried to make a statement about Kobe's asshole chucking by chucking a 3 of his own with 19 seconds or so left on the clock.

He got benched, but whatever.

Hope this doesn't turn into a big deal right before the playoffs.

The Lakers can't go THREE FUCKING GAMES without drama, since like 1999 onwards :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 28, 2012, 02:37:10 AM
DJ Tet - well, for your sanity, I do hope that is true. Rich Cho has a good rep but not sure he's done anything of significance that couldn't also be interpreted as a salary dump, which is consistent with what we know about Jordan's financial situation (basically, that he's losing his shirt on it)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 28, 2012, 02:42:01 AM
No one owes us the first pick, all I said is we aren't tanking.  There's a difference between gutting your roster, clearing cap space and trying to improve the future of the team, and tanking.

The New Orleans Hornets are a team that is tanking imo.  And they shouldn't be rewarded for it.  But the rules are the rules and I understand the Bobcats have a much better shot at picking 2, 3 or 4 than they do of picking 1.

At this point I'm just hoping for one more win so we avoid comparisions to the 73 Sixers.  1 more win puts us ahead of them by percentage points.  2 would tie them for least wins in a season, and 3 would keep that from happening.

I'd be fine with 3 or more wins but at this point I still want the best possible chance at the #1 pick.

Besides, a front line of Biyombo at 4 and Davis at 5 would be very entertaining to watch on the defensive end at least.  We would only need another scorer to go with Henderson and we'd have something solid imo.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 28, 2012, 02:44:44 AM
Bobcats are likely not making money but as I said it could be much worse.  The city is finally starting to support the team (the building was full during the playoff run a couple of years ago) and the city is hungry for a winner.

You wouldn't expect there to be 11 teams worse than Charlotte in attendance.  This is with the shitty schedule we got too, only 1 Miami game, no LA Laker game, no OKC game.  A lot of the big matchups didn't even come to Charlotte this year because of the unbalanced schedule, but attendance is still on the rise. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 28, 2012, 02:49:14 AM
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There's a difference between gutting your roster, clearing cap space and trying to improve the future of the team, and tanking.

which is?

I mean, coaches rarely do anything that could be interpreted as tanking but at the GM level, moves to 'gut the roster, clear cap space and trying to improve the future of the team' are functionally identical to 'tanking'. It's just one has a negative connotation and the other a positive. I mean, pilonv1 recognizes that his team is 'tanking' at a management level even while the coach and players are still doing their damnedest to win. Under the current rules, tanking makes perfect sense. It all hinges on how you view the track record of management really. The Spurs and the Clippers could make exactly the same moves, and the Spurs would be hailed as shrewd or ingenious while the Clippers would be viewed with suspicion.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 28, 2012, 03:08:42 AM
I see what you're saying but tanking has always applied to the players you put on the court and their actual effort.

You can say Charlotte didn't put a competitive team on the court (and I've said that plenty as a STH) but they are still playing for their jobs.  They just aren't even close to competitive.

Meanwhile you've got a team with some actual NBA talent in New Orleans who somehow manages to lose every close game they compete in. 

Funny you mention the Spurs since they did tank a complete season in which Boston was legitimately terrible, and were rewarded with Duncan.  But no one talks about it. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 28, 2012, 03:16:55 AM
Well, fans of teams like the Hornets construct a wishful-thinking narrative as follows: We have some good players. We took a lot of good teams to the last minutes of a lot of games. We stand to get some high draft pick(s) next year. Things are looking up.

It's not necessarily any worse than what you are saying: Our team is shit, but they try hard. Next year we stand to get a high draft pick. Things are looking up!

Both involve a lot of optimism, and frankly I think there is a lot to be said for plugging away like the Rockets: taking every opportunity to get even slightly better, so you are in a good position whenever a home-run type player comes along, by trade, free agency or the draft. Sure, they're never going to get to the top of the draft, and sure, it's tough for them to get a big-time free agent. But God knows, on any random night over the past 10 years, I'd rather have gone to see the Rockets than most lottery teams.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 28, 2012, 03:21:40 AM
But that optimism is like tainted with the truth they're hiding from. it's really annoying. I can't deal with most kings fans because they're in that mode right now. No matter the draft order, you're still stuck with the Maloofs and Petrie up top.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 28, 2012, 03:25:55 AM
An NBA team is perfectly analogous to any other company. You can spot bad management a mile away. Lack of flexibility, refusal to innovate, clinging to the ghosts of past successes, unclear power structure - all killers to a company or to a team. The fact that so many teams are run by ex-athletes who'd struggle to get through a semester of business school but get their way due to charisma or the memory of on-court glories is also a major, major problem
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 28, 2012, 03:26:31 AM
I agree with most of what you said Cor, but you can't say the Rockets in the last 10 years haven't had anything.  Did you forget #1 draft pick Yao Ming?  Probably HoFer (it would only be injuries keeping him out.)

I know what you're saying and their GM is very highly regarded, and yes, they compete year after year.  But they also got the most physically gifted center since Shaq.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 28, 2012, 03:46:07 AM
Well, they had him some of the time, yeah. They had just as much success without him a lot of the time, including that 22 (?) win streak, because they always had surprisingly good role players. Every move they make in the Morey era seems to make them incrementally better, although they are obviously still desperate for a big man. Even there, you can't fault them for not trying - they've put together some creative trades that came within a hair of netting them the star they wanted.

I believe that excellence is a process. You can get lucky a few times, or you can make the right decision many times in a row. Sam Presti did both. Morey did the latter. The pre-LeBron Cavs did the former. If I was hiring a GM for MY team though, I'd want to hear a better plan than 'we are going to suck really hard and bottom out...just like half the other teams in the league'.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 28, 2012, 10:05:08 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/NBAMVP-120328/#nbamvp-rankings

3. KOBE BRYANT, LAKERS 

Quote
    Amelia Gerson @agerson24

    @NBAonESPN theres no way kobe's only #3! what kinda system are yall using? he's behind lebron-even though he dominates in the 4th..? #NBAMVP
    28 Mar 12



    #NBAMVP 3: Kobe Bryant. es.pn/HfOJUo

    The one that hoops @NoCHANCEtoLose

    The only person in front of him should be Kevin Durant. RT @NBAonESPN: #NBAMVP 3: Kobe Bryant. es.pn/HfOJUo
    28 Mar 12

 
    Kobeliever @EmmaXuBryant

    #NBAMVP People need to see more how Kobe deserves to be MVP of this season. Lakers is a mess yet he is still pushing the team! @NBAonESPN
    28 Mar 12



    Grigor Gumushyan @CEOGumz

    @NBAonESPN Take Kobe out of Lakers they don't make the playoffs, take Lebron and Durant out of their teams they make the playoffs. #NBAMVP

The only team with a dumber fanbase: The Toronto Maple Leafs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 28, 2012, 10:29:07 PM
Knicks have won 8 out of last 9. A game up over 500.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on March 28, 2012, 11:54:24 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 28, 2012, 10:29:07 PM
Knicks have won 8 out of last 9. A game up over 500.
And they shat on the Magics without Lin or Amare (that probably improved their defense). I personally don't think the Magics a good team though...
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 29, 2012, 03:03:00 AM
(http://solecollector.com/media/u/images/LeBron-9-Elite-03.jpg)

So awesome. :drool

I wonder when Lebron will start wearing them. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 29, 2012, 03:11:26 AM
 :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 29, 2012, 04:14:57 AM
man modern basketball shoes are fugly

black people explain the infatuation to me
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on March 29, 2012, 05:46:15 AM
Here's a look back at an era of REAL SHOES

http://www.complex.com/sneakers/2012/03/a-complete-sneaker-guide-to-white-men-cant-jump
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on March 29, 2012, 11:26:07 AM
Quote from: etiolate on March 29, 2012, 04:14:57 AM
man modern basketball shoes are fugly

black people explain the infatuation to me
Sneakerheads aren't infatuated with the basketball sneakers that Smooth Groove posts.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 29, 2012, 02:18:55 PM
I haven't bought a pair of shoes that cost over $30 dollars since I've been an adult.

But that's just me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 29, 2012, 03:23:41 PM
 :bow Stoney :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 29, 2012, 07:20:18 PM
Games of interest tonight.

Dallas at Miami.

OKC at the Lakers

Both on TNT tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 29, 2012, 07:57:39 PM
squeee.  love NBA thursdays.  Miami will probably win; wish it was a road game to see if they could scrote up and win an away game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 29, 2012, 08:03:43 PM
What do you guys think of this?

http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/7752775/steve-nash-listen-miami-heat-free-agent (http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/7752775/steve-nash-listen-miami-heat-free-agent)

If Nash went to Miami...wow.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 29, 2012, 08:47:06 PM
I think...the Suns were fucking idiotic not to trade him

Yeah, he'd be great on the Heat as a rental, although they'd have to hide him defensively. But let's face it, all of the Heatles are rentals.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 29, 2012, 08:50:42 PM
Yup.  But, a starting unit of Bron, Wade, Nash, Bosh, Anthony, and...Fifth Guy™ would be amazing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 29, 2012, 08:57:25 PM
think you mean Sixth Guy :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on March 29, 2012, 09:05:41 PM
Maybe the heat are going to bust out that 2-1-3 zone that I've always heard about?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 29, 2012, 09:11:48 PM
just starting Heat-Mavs, again aghast at the shittiness of the Heat fans (not the ones who are actually there, the ones who can't be fucking bothered to show up on time to boo the guys who beat them in the Finals last year)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: naff on March 29, 2012, 09:22:53 PM
Quote from: etiolate on March 29, 2012, 04:14:57 AM
man modern basketball shoes are fugly

black people explain the infatuation to me

I'm white and like basketball shoes. I wouldn't wear 'em much off the court, but I really like D Roses latest adizero 2.5's.

Just starting the Heat - Mavs game. More interested in the OKC - LAL game later
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 29, 2012, 09:58:50 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 29, 2012, 08:57:25 PM
think you mean Sixth Guy :lol

umm... >:(

No, it was a subtle Anthony diss!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 29, 2012, 10:08:01 PM
Anthony should not be starting for anybody. I wish commentators would STFU about his intangibles and effort and occasionally mention that he is literally the greatest offensive liability in the entire league. As in, no matter how great his D, his offense is SO BAD that he hurts them every time he's on the floor, even in an offense where he barely has to do anything.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 29, 2012, 10:13:13 PM
I agree.  I'd rather the Heat get a competent center instead of going after Nash.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 29, 2012, 10:56:29 PM
Just as a general note, I'm going to say the Lakers are as much of a title threat as any team out there imo. It all depends on whether Kobe decides to try to superhero his way there. If he does then they have little chance. If he actually plays smart and lets players like Sessions, Pau, and Bynum do what they can do, I legit think they are dangerous. More so than last year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 30, 2012, 12:20:08 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 29, 2012, 10:08:01 PM
Anthony should not be starting for anybody. I wish commentators would STFU about his intangibles and effort and occasionally mention that he is literally the greatest offensive liability in the entire league. As in, no matter how great his D, his offense is SO BAD that he hurts them every time he's on the floor, even in an offense where he barely has to do anything.

Sports commentators tend to harp on guys who do things "that don't show up in the box score."  But the stuff in the box score is generally pretty important.  It's not like they randomly chose which things should be documented.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 30, 2012, 12:27:23 AM
Quote from: Mandark on March 30, 2012, 12:20:08 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 29, 2012, 10:08:01 PM
Anthony should not be starting for anybody. I wish commentators would STFU about his intangibles and effort and occasionally mention that he is literally the greatest offensive liability in the entire league. As in, no matter how great his D, his offense is SO BAD that he hurts them every time he's on the floor, even in an offense where he barely has to do anything.

Sports commentators tend to harp on guys who do things "that don't show up in the box score."  But the stuff in the box score is generally pretty important.  It's not like they randomly chose which things should be documented.

lol AVG and RBI
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 30, 2012, 12:32:39 AM
http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/RBI_career.shtml

What a bunch of losers.  :smug


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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 30, 2012, 12:33:22 AM
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Kobe having a shitty game and taking too many shots. He is 5 of 17. Let's see how much he forces it in the 4th.

Durant is also having a shitty shooting game but at least he has to shoot the way that team is constructed. Kobe has a lot more options on the inside by comparison.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 30, 2012, 12:41:28 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 29, 2012, 10:08:01 PM
Anthony should not be starting for anybody. I wish commentators would STFU about his intangibles and effort and occasionally mention that he is literally the greatest offensive liability in the entire league. As in, no matter how great his D, his offense is SO BAD that he hurts them every time he's on the floor, even in an offense where he barely has to do anything.

My problem with Anthony isn't so much his offense which is indeed world class bad but rather how undersized he is for the position. He's very active and such but he's constantly getting out rebounded and out massed by other centers. I guess they think they can get away with that because of the makeup of that squad but its a glaring weakness against teams like the Bulls, Lakers, and the Mavericks last year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 30, 2012, 12:54:44 AM
Sessions is pretty good but he's utterly wasted with Kobe in the lineup.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 30, 2012, 01:04:05 AM
Kobe Bryant 7-25 23 points.

Andrew Bynum 10-15 25 points.


I mean its really that simple. You don't need to be a genius to see what the problem is here.

Kobe is shooting the worse FG% of his career since  his 2nd year in the NBA.

Bynum by contrast is averaging a career high in points at 18.2 And he's shooting 58% while doing it.

Yet nobody will say the truth in that organization.

If Kobe is even in the top 5 for MVP voting it will just go to show nba reporters and broadcasters don't know shit about the very sport they cover.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 30, 2012, 02:55:26 AM
I loved how Kobe's response to getting a scoring PG who can also set up the bigs was basically 'Lol, now I can shoot more cuz I don't have to pass'
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 30, 2012, 03:18:51 PM
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Less than a month after Sacramento approved an arena plan to keep the Kings in town, the NBA reportedly had to step in to keep the deal on track.

After the team's owners said they do not believe they should pay their portion -- $3.26 million -- of arena pre-development work, NBA commissioner David Stern told the Sacramento Bee that the league will pay the first installment. Sources told the newspaper that figure is $200,000.

"Following the agreement in principle ... the parties have been attempting to reach agreement on funding the pre-development expenses that must be incurred in order for the project to move forward in a timely fashion," Stern said in an email to the Bee. "Those discussions have stalled, but I have advised Mayor (Kevin) Johnson that the NBA will advance pre-development expenses on behalf of the Kings pending our report to the NBA Board of Governors at its meeting on April 12-13."

Maloofs are embarrassing.
Title: Hollowest scoring title ever
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 30, 2012, 04:38:31 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 30, 2012, 01:04:05 AM
Kobe Bryant 7-25 23 points.

Andrew Bynum 10-15 25 points.

His  chucking is worse than Iverson's because the 76ers really didn't have any good secondary options.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 30, 2012, 08:08:28 PM
The NBA is not going to get any more of money for a league pass again. Tired of this message: This game is currently not available in your location.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 30, 2012, 08:49:55 PM
Using International League Pass via a VPN might work? Only blackout games I ever encounter are in the playoffs (a fw are delayed til after the TV showing, not a huge deal)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 30, 2012, 09:00:11 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Up3pN.jpg)

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on March 30, 2012, 10:32:46 PM
damn I forgot about Nash's frosted hair  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 30, 2012, 10:46:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MQ9nusr-Jw&hd=1
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 31, 2012, 10:22:29 AM
Celtics have really turned around their season after getting off to such a wretched start. They've won 14 out of their last 19 games. First place in their division. If the playoffs started today they would be the 4th seed against a very beatable 5th seeded Pacers.

They aren't any real danger to the elite teams but its nice to see the veterans go out with a nice run instead of whimpering out like it looked early in the season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 31, 2012, 10:24:33 AM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on March 30, 2012, 10:46:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MQ9nusr-Jw&hd=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU6UHBYJOUw
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 31, 2012, 05:18:08 PM
"BUT THE LAKERS WOULDN'T EVEN BE NEAR THE PLAYOFF RACE WITHOUT HIM!!!!"

fucking laker fans.

also, I had a dream last night that the finals were the mavs and heat again, and dirk hit the game-winner in game 7.  and for some reason, jeff van gundy was blowing spoelstra.  I don't understand my dreams.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 31, 2012, 05:28:14 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on March 31, 2012, 05:16:08 PM
Kobe is 0/15 against the Hornets right now.

He doesn't deserve to make an All-NBA team, not even 3rd. Fuck leading the league in scoring. He'll be lucky to finish the season shooting 38%.

Kobe is playing with a chip on his shoulder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dARj_vBHEys
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 31, 2012, 05:41:39 PM
MVP chants? really
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 31, 2012, 05:42:28 PM
Kobe is so clutch.  ::)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 31, 2012, 05:45:37 PM
FU, KOBE
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 31, 2012, 05:52:37 PM
Gasol and Bynum: 15-24
Hero MVP GOAT Bryant: 3-21

He makes 'em when they count.(TM)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 31, 2012, 06:17:07 PM
I didn't catch the game but it sounds pretty funny.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 31, 2012, 06:25:38 PM
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Jeremy Lin will have surgery for a torn meniscus. Out six weeks
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 31, 2012, 06:27:24 PM
Koba Bryant has now become the Tim Tebow of the NBA. :teehee
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 31, 2012, 06:47:40 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 31, 2012, 06:27:24 PM
Koba Bryant has now become the Tim Tebow of the NBA. :teehee

Kobe was able to force more scores is Denver.

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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 31, 2012, 06:58:38 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 31, 2012, 06:25:38 PM
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Jeremy Lin will have surgery for a torn meniscus. Out six weeks

 :-\ Jeremy out Lindefinitely
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: Beezy on March 31, 2012, 07:23:45 PM
The life of a Knicks fan... :fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 01, 2012, 02:24:04 AM
just hope he didn't opt for the quickie meniscus fix like Chris Paul did (cutting it out). I have no idea how severe it is of course....but there seems little point in rushing back to play in May.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 01, 2012, 11:45:49 AM
Games of interest today


Miami at Boston 3:30 est
Chicago at Oklahoma City 1:00 est   


(http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/.element/img/4.0/global/swapper/201102/110214.04.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 01, 2012, 02:37:46 PM
OKC crushing chicago.

No rose but still.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 01, 2012, 02:41:40 PM
19 of 29 from the Durant/Westbrook combo is just crazy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 01, 2012, 05:18:05 PM
What a shock. Miami getting worked on the road.

I'll always ask. How is Spoelstra's job not in trouble? He's by far the worst coach imo of any "contender".
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 01, 2012, 06:30:04 PM
2-11. Like a Bosh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: pilonv1 on April 01, 2012, 06:42:46 PM
fan up miami
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 02, 2012, 12:27:27 AM
Wondering why fans still chant MVP for Kobe at Staples, check out the trash that passes for sports journalism in the Laker fandom:

http://www.ocregister.com/sports/bryant-346596-bynum-game.html

I would like to see how much more insufferable Dave Mcmenamin and Ramona Shelburne could be without a national audience to call out their idiocy. 


Luckily, there's finally someone prominent who is willing to step up and tell it like it is:


http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/kobe-bryant-becoming-big-problem-for-los-angeles-lakers-033012

It's basically what Cormac has been saying for years, "Kobe will age like shit".  Too bad Cormac doesn't have a bigger forum than EB. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 02, 2012, 12:32:41 AM
Quote from: Beezy on March 29, 2012, 11:26:07 AM
Quote from: etiolate on March 29, 2012, 04:14:57 AM
man modern basketball shoes are fugly

black people explain the infatuation to me
Sneakerheads aren't infatuated with the basketball sneakers that Smooth Groove posts.

Actually Lebrons are more popular as dress shoes than balling shoes.  That's why Nike is releasing upcomping elite and low-top versions in addition to the endless colorways for the L9.  Personally, I like playing in them.  They perform almost as well as the Hyperdunks but are much safer for the ankles, imo. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 02, 2012, 04:05:06 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on April 02, 2012, 12:27:27 AM
Wondering why fans still chant MVP for Kobe at Staples, check out the trash that passes for sports journalism in the Laker fandom:

http://www.ocregister.com/sports/bryant-346596-bynum-game.html

Quote
Yes, yes and yes: The rest of the NBA should also be scared to death that Andrew Bynum is becoming more and more like Kobe Bryant.

And especially hotel employees.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 02, 2012, 08:20:46 AM
goddamn, LeBron is trying to give away his MVP. He has sucked donkey dick since his Not-a-Concussion, and KD is flipping out like a ninja, killing your whole town. I was ready for a defensive battle with the Bulls (who are the 3rd best team in the league when playing without Rose, so forget about anyone else for COTY again...) but they got steamrolled. Meanwhile LeBron puts up how worst-ever plus-minus, a staggering -30. Ooooooouuuuuch.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 02, 2012, 10:02:59 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 02, 2012, 08:20:46 AM
goddamn, LeBron is trying to give away his MVP. He has sucked donkey dick since his Not-a-Concussion, and KD is flipping out like a ninja, killing your whole town. I was ready for a defensive battle with the Bulls (who are the 3rd best team in the league when playing without Rose, so forget about anyone else for COTY again...) but they got steamrolled. Meanwhile LeBron puts up how worst-ever plus-minus, a staggering -30. Ooooooouuuuuch.

Time for my monthly heat rant!

After watching so many heat games the thing that always amazes me after two years is how bad that team can look in a half court offense and how despite the statistics saying they are a good defensive team, they almost always get beat by the same offensive philosophies and rarely adjust to it in games.

They look great when the other team is making mistakes and they get out on the break and score easy points. They look very average often in situations outside of that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 02, 2012, 10:31:25 AM
Agree with all that. Also, KG made Bosh his bitch again. I mean, LeBron struggled but at least put up some numbers. All Star Chris Bosh was held to 4 pts by a grandad who may well retire next year.

Would like to see the Cs get one more shot at the Heat in the playoffs before KABOOM. They won't win but they should be able to bloody their noses if there are no more catastrophic injuries like Rondo's elbow.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 02, 2012, 11:28:37 AM
I would have traded Bosh for a legit point guard before the trade deadline. I don't hate the dude. And he plays well enough. He's just not the piece that team needs imo.

Norris Cole is a decent enough young player but he didn't provide the true lift at the position I was hoping for.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 03, 2012, 11:36:26 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDSF8otJH8Y

In honor of Reggie getting inducted into the HOF.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 03, 2012, 08:48:44 PM
Looking at the line-up of games today...only 2 out of 8 feature teams who are horrible and or blatantly tanking, ugh

Philly - Heat on now. Not a great team for the Heat to break out of their slump on. Sixers are usually fun to watch though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: etiolate on April 04, 2012, 01:39:51 AM
Cousins with 41 & 12 tonight. It's too bad Westphal poisoned the PR on him at the start of the season or he'd be getting a lot more attention.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 04, 2012, 01:49:02 AM
LA showdown tomorrow with Clips having "homecourt".  Who you got?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 04, 2012, 08:13:43 PM
crazy line-up of games today - i want to watch Heat - Thunder, Spurs - Celtics, Clips - Lakers, Grizz - Mavs...

...and of course they'll likely all turn out to be shit while the Bobcats edge the Hawks in a 3OT thrilla
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 04, 2012, 08:19:24 PM
http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7774255/mohammad-el-akkari-scores-113-points-fiba-asia-game
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 04, 2012, 08:25:18 PM
hmm, the Heat have officially benched Joel Anthony in favor of Turiaf. A bit late but a sensible move. Turiaf is pretty weaksauce but usually hovers around league-average PER etc, doesn't take bad shots, hustles. Kinda like benching Bibby - far too late, the replacement is nothing to get excited about, but still they had to do it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 04, 2012, 08:55:53 PM
Wade has been the best Lebron stopper this season.  Everytime he's back, Bron's numbers go way down.  My workout partner and I both thought that the Heat should have traded Wade for Dwight before the season.   Yesterday, Colin Cowherd also said that the Heat should trade Wade if the Heat doesn't win this year. 

I'm a fan of Wade too but I just think he is too proud to be the Pippen to Bron's MJ, which is the way it should be.  Now the Wade for Dwight trade probably won't go down because Dwight looks like he might stay and Wade looks like he's lost a step. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: pilonv1 on April 04, 2012, 08:57:34 PM
Turiaf is a great hustle guy off the bench but he chases too many blocks and ends up out of position for rebounds and puts more pressure on other defenders.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 04, 2012, 09:08:58 PM
this game is sick.  Bron and Chalmers hitting threes all day
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: naff on April 04, 2012, 09:32:03 PM
Love Magic Johnsons opinion on Thunders flagrant fouls being a good thing, it definitely woke the Heat up and got some emotion into the game. One of the best 1st halves I've seen this season
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 04, 2012, 09:33:55 PM
Bron was unstoppable at the end of the half.  Played great defense, hit several threes, and closed the half with a clutch jumper.  Love me some unstoppable Bron Bron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 04, 2012, 09:34:39 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 04, 2012, 09:33:55 PM
Bron was unstoppable at the end of the half.  Played great defense, hit several threes, and closed the half with a clutch jumper.  Love me some unstoppable Bron Bron

Will he be as unstoppable at end of the second half.  :lenowned
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 04, 2012, 09:41:17 PM
probably not  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 04, 2012, 09:46:50 PM
Nowitzki headed a basketball to the ref after a made lay-up.  :lol

Whatever Dirk does do he does it better than me or you.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 04, 2012, 09:49:30 PM
I do not understand the love Westbrook gets.  He fucked their chances last year, and I've seen him throw up a ton of bricks today.  He's also a piss poor passer.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 04, 2012, 09:50:57 PM
It's unfair to look at one game. He's shot the ball very well this year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 04, 2012, 09:55:54 PM
I suppose.  I watched him all through the playoffs last season and would always be on my feet yelling at the TV.  He was frustrating to watch sometimes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 04, 2012, 10:41:57 PM
what do you know, lebron fumbles the ball in a close game on an important possession
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 04, 2012, 10:48:54 PM
Fucking Lebron bailed out the D by fading away from the basket.  WTF, he can turn to the middle anytime he wants in single coverage.  I wish I have Lebron's body for just one day so that I can show him how to play. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 04, 2012, 10:50:58 PM
to be fair, he's been playing amazing defense tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 04, 2012, 11:16:45 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on April 04, 2012, 10:48:54 PM
Fucking Lebron bailed out the D by fading away from the basket.  WTF, he can turn to the middle anytime he wants in single coverage.  I wish I have Lebron's body for just one day so that I can show him how to play.
You'd be too busy making pornos.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 04, 2012, 11:43:38 PM
Damn I didn't know the Thunder were playing the Heat. I would have gotten off the videogames earlier.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 04, 2012, 11:45:24 PM
it was an amazing game.  probably the best I've watched all year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 04, 2012, 11:47:53 PM
I'll download it and watch it tomorrow.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: CajoleJuice on April 04, 2012, 11:57:59 PM
RIP Pau Gasol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyyDF_x6ZMI

(http://gif.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/BLAKE-PAU-2.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 05, 2012, 12:19:54 AM
Heat - Thunder was A-MAAAAAAA ZING

Total playoff grudge match. More like this please.

May have to go a bit LeBron Defense Force on BrandNew here - How many mistakes were made, total? Durant airballing that 3, ferrinstance? Bodies were flying left and right, nobody is going to look their best...weird to fixate on LeBron given the game he had...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 05, 2012, 12:54:32 AM
who exactly are you talking about?  I thought Lebron played an amazing game, just gave him shit for his fumble.  Or are you speaking of Westbrook?

This LA Clips-Lakers game is amazing, btw.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 05, 2012, 01:02:25 AM
To be fair I said the same exact thing that Brand New did when it happened.  Unfortunately Westbrook took another shitty shot and they didn't capitalize on LeBron's error.

Bron came back a couple of plays later with a tough drive and layup and made me eat my words, but still, Heat could have been in trouble if Perk had been able to finish that gimmie dunk that he bricked.

Fun game to watch.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 05, 2012, 01:23:50 AM
I still thought that was a dumb fadeaway by Lebron.  What has that shot gotten him over the years?  If that's the best shot he thinks he can get (even though it's not), he might as well throw it back to Bosh for a much higher percentage J.


Good LA battle tonight.  Too bad Clips couldn't pull it off but at least most people will only remember Griffin making Gasol his bitch. 

Aside from that atrocious triple dribble violation that was missed by the blind officials, Bynum was a beast tonight and made PD look like a smart man.   Bynum did stuff offensively that Dwight has probably never even dreamed of trying.

Quote from: Flannel Boy on April 04, 2012, 11:16:45 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on April 04, 2012, 10:48:54 PM
Fucking Lebron bailed out the D by fading away from the basket.  WTF, he can turn to the middle anytime he wants in single coverage.  I wish I have Lebron's body for just one day so that I can show him how to play.
You'd be too busy making pornos.

:lol

True, porn is one thing I love more than basketball.  You know me better than I know myself. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 05, 2012, 01:51:09 AM
Bosh played tonight?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 05, 2012, 01:51:48 AM
He played really well in the fourth.  Made that clutch J near the end.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 05, 2012, 02:04:03 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 05, 2012, 12:54:32 AM
who exactly are you talking about?  I thought Lebron played an amazing game, just gave him shit for his fumble.  Or are you speaking of Westbrook?

This LA Clips-Lakers game is amazing, btw.

It seems weird to me to fixate on that one play - in which 3 or 4 bodies went to the floor, a total fucking rugby scrum where you couldn't even see what the hell happened, that didn't even cost them a point - when he did so many amazing things throughout the game to get them the lead. But that's what it has been like, post-Decision. Anyway. Was anyone commenting about his clutch play when he dropped in 12 pts in the last 3 mins to clinch the game against the Sixers (just last night?)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 05, 2012, 02:04:26 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 05, 2012, 01:51:48 AM
He played really well in the fourth.  Made that clutch J near the end.

'clutch' forgives everything, doesn't it
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 05, 2012, 02:33:39 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 05, 2012, 02:04:03 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 05, 2012, 12:54:32 AM
who exactly are you talking about?  I thought Lebron played an amazing game, just gave him shit for his fumble.  Or are you speaking of Westbrook?

This LA Clips-Lakers game is amazing, btw.

It seems weird to me to fixate on that one play - in which 3 or 4 bodies went to the floor, a total fucking rugby scrum where you couldn't even see what the hell happened, that didn't even cost them a point - when he did so many amazing things throughout the game to get them the lead. But that's what it has been like, post-Decision. Anyway. Was anyone commenting about his clutch play when he dropped in 12 pts in the last 3 mins to clinch the game against the Sixers (just last night?)

I don't think that's the play he was referencing.  It certainly wasn't the play I was referencing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 05, 2012, 02:43:53 AM
ok then

But let's just try to keep some kind of perspective on these things. LeBron had the ball in his hands for half the game. He had a few turnovers, but HE IS 4th IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE IN STEALS. He got waaaaay more points off of OKC turnovers than OKC got off LeBron turnovers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 05, 2012, 03:06:25 AM
eh, my comment was in the heat of the moment, frustration sort of statement.  I do think his fumble was a bad, amateur-level basketball play, because he went in between two hard-defending opponents without having good control of the ball or the intention of passing.  He was careless.  That's alright though, because Durant was careless with the ball so much all game.

As for Bosh, yeah, he didn't have a great game, I'll agree with that.  But I'd give Bosh the ball a little inside the three/near the top of the key 90% of the time.  He's got one of the best jump shots on that entire team.  He just couldn't get anything ging underneath the hoop, which is another reason why the Heat need a fucking efficient center.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 05, 2012, 03:17:18 AM
It's the sort of game where everyone looks a bit careless or below their best at points, because it was a fucking amazing game with top flight D being played from start to finish. A Finals between these two teams would be verrrrry interesting.

Another rant, inspired by the commentary during Heat-Thunder about what an amazing job Thibodeau is doing with Rose out: People, no matter what cliches they may trot out about 'defense winning championships' etc just DO NOT VALUE DEFENSE PROPERLY. The Bulls are as good or better without Rose in the line-up because they are stronger defensively to the point where it makes up for the lack of his offensive contributions. It's not because they are playing harder or digging deeper or suddenly being coached smarter when he is out - it's because they are just as good without him. It's depressing to me how pro coaches like Hubie and Van Gundy can SEE the amazing defense being played but can't put that together with the win totals with and without Rose.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 05, 2012, 03:19:01 AM
I mean, they are right to say 'the Bulls are playing amazing defense with Rose out, that's why they are winning'

but what they should be saying is 'The Bulls play amazing defense, that's why they win with or without Rose'
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 05, 2012, 03:20:56 AM
Watching Celtics - Spurs rather than Clippers - Lakers - Really not enjoying watching the Clippers play these days. The Griffin youtubes are really all you need to see. The rest is depressing/annoying. They still look clueless.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 05, 2012, 03:27:05 AM
I'm not sure I agree with that.  Like at all haha.  Rose is by far one of the best offensive players in the entire league, and you say a Bulls lineup without him is better?  Can't see that logic.  If they're playing such good D now when he's not in, where the fuck is that when he IS in?  Thibobeau should be playing big at the start, with Rose, Noah, Boozer, Deng, and Gibson.

Now I haven't watched the Bulls in a while so I don't know if that's the actual lineup they usually have, but I was under the assumption Brewer was a starter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 05, 2012, 03:37:49 AM
Well, perhaps you could give me the benefit of the doubt and assume that I know that Rose is 'one of the best offensive players in the entire league' ... :lol

come on now
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 05, 2012, 03:38:30 AM
shut up I'm drunk  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 05, 2012, 03:43:46 AM
Rose has now missed 20 games so far, I think - almost half this season. The Bulls have the best record. At some point, you have to question that it's only Rose's heroics on offense that are making them an elite team. Or if in fact, they have ANYTHING to do with why they are an elite team.

Here's a good bit from ESPN

'In the 19 games Rose has missed this season, Chicago's record is 14-5, a 73.7 winning percentage that by itself would narrowly rank behind Miami's 74 percent for the best record in the East. This isn't to say that the Bulls are better off without Rose -- their record with him in the lineup is 28-6 (82.4 percent), a scorching mark that would equate to 68 wins over an 82-game schedule -- but they certainly aren't as bad in his absence as many would have predicted.

Although 19 games is a small sample, there's almost no chance the Bulls' "true" skill in games without Rose isn't high. Using the binomial distribution, we can calculate the probability that a team with a certain innate winning percentage would put up a given number of wins in a given number of games. For instance, the probability that a true .500 team would win 14 or more times in a 19-game trial is 3.2 percent, which means we can be fairly sure that the Bulls' true ability to win games without Rose is in fact greater than .500.'
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Shoot first. Ask Questions Later. The Kobe Bryant story)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 05, 2012, 03:48:18 AM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on April 04, 2012, 11:57:59 PM
RIP Pau Gasol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyyDF_x6ZMI

(http://gif.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/BLAKE-PAU-2.gif)

 :omg
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 05, 2012, 03:50:19 AM
Somebody is gonna shank Blake right there on court one of these days...i mean, abuse like that cannot be allowed to continue, right?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 05, 2012, 03:51:13 AM
Math!

No I see where you're coming from Cormac.  But a theoretical for you:  It's probably likely that the Bulls and Heat end up being in the conference championship...so who wins?  What's the series length?  Who guards who, and who ends up playing the best in that series?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 05, 2012, 04:11:46 AM
Well, the Bulls still run most of their offense through Rose, and LeBron can still shut down Rose. Deng is still hurt (wrist) and not shooting well enough to offset LeBron's offense. So I think it'd play out pretty similarly to last year, really. I may be wrong, but I think the pre-All Star Break Heat is much closer to their true ability than this post-All Star Break version - I think they've been coasting for a while, waiting for the playoffs (since they know that's the only way to redeem themselves, and no-one gives a shit how well they do in the regular season anymore). Pre-All Star, their D was ridiculous, and perfect for trapping a perimeter player and capitalizing on turnovers.

Ultimately, I think team D will cancel out. The Heat have been outscoring their opponents by 7pts or so, the Bulls by 8. Neither are great offensively. The difference is that in a playoff series, the Heat can have their 3 big players play more minutes, and have the scrubs play less. So they project to be more efficient on both ends. And they have the ability to unleash LeBron on Rose at any time (I don't have Rose's stats from last year when LeBron was guarding him, but basically LeBron made him look like a high school player. Rose is better now but not that much better).  The Bulls can protect the rim, which is huge against the Heat, but they can't stop all 3 of 'em.

So, unless there is yet another bizarre mental fade (which is impossible for anyone to predict, no matter how hot you think you are at armchair psychology), I'd say 4-2, Heat win, but with noses seriously bloodied.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on April 05, 2012, 04:18:42 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 05, 2012, 03:50:19 AM
Somebody is gonna shank Blake right there on court one of these days...i mean, abuse like that cannot be allowed to continue, right?

Jason Smith of the hornets did a week or so back.

So when is Kevin Love going to go from media darling to empty stats guy? Can't be too far away
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on April 05, 2012, 04:20:35 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 05, 2012, 03:17:18 AM
It's the sort of game where everyone looks a bit careless or below their best at points, because it was a fucking amazing game with top flight D being played from start to finish. A Finals between these two teams would be verrrrry interesting.

Another rant, inspired by the commentary during Heat-Thunder about what an amazing job Thibodeau is doing with Rose out: People, no matter what cliches they may trot out about 'defense winning championships' etc just DO NOT VALUE DEFENSE PROPERLY. The Bulls are as good or better without Rose in the line-up because they are stronger defensively to the point where it makes up for the lack of his offensive contributions. It's not because they are playing harder or digging deeper or suddenly being coached smarter when he is out - it's because they are just as good without him. It's depressing to me how pro coaches like Hubie and Van Gundy can SEE the amazing defense being played but can't put that together with the win totals with and without Rose.

Best thing about league pass is getting the local commentators. National guys can't learn enough about teams and have to rely on cliches or assumed knowledge based on previous seasons. They still go on about how the warriors like to run and put up points but they haven't done that all season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 05, 2012, 04:32:18 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on April 05, 2012, 04:17:50 AM
The Bulls need to figure out how to punish the Heat if they stick LeBron on Rose. It's a shame Deng isn't 100%.

Well, Deng is fine defensively. But even Spoelstra can figure out how to get a switch over the course of a series. People talk about other players 'stepping up' and shit but ultimately the rest of the Bulls are dependent on Rose to get them the ball and if he can't get them a good shot, nobody will be stepping up.

The other prob is that the Bulls can't really use their depth on the Heat that effectively, 'cause the Heat's starters are so damn athletic. By the Conference Finals, they might have worn down though...if they have to go through the Celtics...but I can't really talk myself into that one either.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 05, 2012, 04:41:46 AM
Quote from: pilonv1 on April 05, 2012, 04:20:35 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 05, 2012, 03:17:18 AM
It's the sort of game where everyone looks a bit careless or below their best at points, because it was a fucking amazing game with top flight D being played from start to finish. A Finals between these two teams would be verrrrry interesting.

Another rant, inspired by the commentary during Heat-Thunder about what an amazing job Thibodeau is doing with Rose out: People, no matter what cliches they may trot out about 'defense winning championships' etc just DO NOT VALUE DEFENSE PROPERLY. The Bulls are as good or better without Rose in the line-up because they are stronger defensively to the point where it makes up for the lack of his offensive contributions. It's not because they are playing harder or digging deeper or suddenly being coached smarter when he is out - it's because they are just as good without him. It's depressing to me how pro coaches like Hubie and Van Gundy can SEE the amazing defense being played but can't put that together with the win totals with and without Rose.

Best thing about league pass is getting the local commentators. National guys can't learn enough about teams and have to rely on cliches or assumed knowledge based on previous seasons. They still go on about how the warriors like to run and put up points but they haven't done that all season.

This is all true. On the other hand, my god, are there some ferocious homers out there. Sean Elliot is maybe the worst. And the hick accents! Where do they get some of these people
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 05, 2012, 04:42:13 AM
on 2nd thought, Tommy Heinsohn is clearly the worst homer
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on April 05, 2012, 05:11:57 AM
The worst ive experienced are the spurs, Elliot is bad but the play by play in disgraceful. Clippers, Bucks, Cavs and Blazers are also bad.

And Stacey King is on a whole other level.

I like the Bobcats guys, Dell Curry is pretty good. And I love Jim Barnett on the Warriors games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 05, 2012, 05:23:59 AM
You can immediately tell when you have a local announcing team because they have cute little nicknames for all the bench guys you've never heard of
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 05, 2012, 07:43:46 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 05, 2012, 02:43:53 AM
ok then

But let's just try to keep some kind of perspective on these things. LeBron had the ball in his hands for half the game. He had a few turnovers, but HE IS 4th IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE IN STEALS. He got waaaaay more points off of OKC turnovers than OKC got off LeBron turnovers.

It was more the timing of the whole thing.  But like I said, it didn't matter cause Westbrook came down and jacked up another shitty shot.

LeBron played great I don't think anyone is criticizing his overall game.  LeBron is going to face this type of criticism the rest of his career until he starts delivering in the clutch consistently and becomes an NBA champion.

Like I said, he came down two possessions later with a great drive on two people and finished a tough layup.

And no one mentioned Wade's equally shitty turnover right before LeBron's that allowed OKC to get within one (whoops, just did.)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 05, 2012, 07:48:01 AM
Quote from: pilonv1 on April 05, 2012, 05:11:57 AM


I like the Bobcats guys, Dell Curry is pretty good. And I love Jim Barnett on the Warriors games.

Rock on man.  Steve Martin is a professional, and Dell is the man.  Surprisingly good insight from Dell every game, he'll be a great color guy for a long time.

As for the Bulls defense, I'd agree with that take.  One thing you have to realize is that defense starts with on the ball defense, and that's why their team defense goes up with Rose out.  Rose isn't as good defensively at the point as John Lucas III is. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 05, 2012, 11:04:48 AM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on April 05, 2012, 03:48:18 AM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on April 04, 2012, 11:57:59 PM
RIP Pau Gasol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyyDF_x6ZMI

(http://gif.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/BLAKE-PAU-2.gif)

 :omg

Bynum's reaction is a marvel of solidarity

(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1043857/bynum.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 05, 2012, 11:14:11 AM
 :lol

Bless him for being honest.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on April 05, 2012, 12:30:57 PM
The basketball reporting twitter accounts are all saying that SVG knows that Dwight Howard asked for him to be fired. Why did he stay again?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 05, 2012, 01:05:38 PM
It's been known for a few years that Howard doesn't like svg.

svg isn't the problem with that team. The makeup of that team is the problem. Although its kinda dumb for Van Gundy to flat out say what he said.


And yeah I thought Howard should have left and it was foolish of him to stay.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on April 05, 2012, 05:45:41 PM
Quote
And it’s also fitting because a jury of one’s peers can be the most damning of all. It’s at those meetings that we’ll learn if David Stern and the other owners are going to allow their league and its fans to be subjected to reports like the one out of the L.A. Times last Thursday.

In that report, the writer was conveniently given access to letters from the Maloofs’ attorneys and pre-prepared comments from the family’s newly hired “crisis consultant” Eric Rose. Those letters disputed the Maloofs’ responsibility to pay pre-development costs of $3.26 million on the $391 million Entertainment and Sports Complex, or roughly one-fourth of the salary of free agent acquisition/albatross Travis Outlaw.

This, after the city agreed to fork over $256 million and AEG agreed to put in nearly $60 million to build a world-class arena with the Kings’ specific needs at the top of the list.

The most recent letter from Maloof attorney Scott Zolke doubles as a how-to manual on fighting the arena project, writing that the Maloofs are concerned about the project being completed on time while they simultaneously cause a delay by refusing to pay for pre-development costs they had already agreed to conceptually. The Maloofs backed it all up by sending pro-Anaheim brother George on a media blitz telling the world that Kevin Johnson, AEG, David Stern, and everybody that had been diligently working on a deal had it wrong – that nobody had talked about the cost structure of the agreement before barreling out of an Orlando hotel room with tears of joy.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/04/report-all-eyes-on-board-of-governors-meeting-in-kings-arena-dispute/

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It's always been them. Ten years ago, when you would ask them what they wanted in an arena, they would say "whatever the city wants." They wouldn't even send representatives to early arena meetings where former Mayor Heather Fargo would get crushed for suggesting local restaurants help out.

Remember when the Maloofs stormed out of a City Council meeting during one arena discussion?

Or when, at the big kickoff to a 2006 initiatives campaign to build an arena in the downtown railyard, they shocked everyone by going off script and raising doubts about the project?

They walked away from the process and then made a hamburger commercial touting their net worth at $1 billion. The sales tax measure to build them a free arena went down in flames by an 80 percent to 20 percent vote.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/04/04/4389253/marcos-breton-maloofs-are-roadbock.html#storylink=omni_popular#storylink=cpy

Never trust casino owners.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 06, 2012, 10:07:20 AM
dwight howard  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 06, 2012, 11:11:42 AM
Watched the Heat Thunder game last night. Even though Miami won it, they should really be worried about that Thunder team if they end up facing them in the finals. I thought it took a pretty lucky game from beyond the arc for the Heat to pull that off.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 06, 2012, 03:28:16 PM
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7783474/florida-international-golden-panthers-fire-isiah-thomas-3-seasons

 :usacry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 06, 2012, 03:48:33 PM
Next stop, the Spokane Junior High Lady Bearcats.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 06, 2012, 07:50:34 PM
I'm gonna lol so hard if he returns to the Knicks
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 06, 2012, 07:53:59 PM
I kinda feel sorry for Isiah. One of the greatest players of all time and he's basically a pariah at this point.

I never found out why he and Magic had their falling out. Anybody know the story there?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 06, 2012, 07:57:04 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 06, 2012, 07:53:59 PM
I kinda feel sorry for Isiah. One of the greatest players of all time and he's basically a pariah at this point.

I never found out why he and Magic had their falling out. Anybody know the story there?

Thomas told fellow players that Johnson was banging transsexuals
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on April 06, 2012, 08:15:46 PM
Too bad for zeke that the NBA already has a likable Isaiah Thomas.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 06, 2012, 08:21:29 PM
Miami getting worked at home  36-17. 2nd quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 06, 2012, 10:26:29 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 06, 2012, 07:50:34 PM
I'm gonna lol so hard if he returns to the Knicks

Funny story (to me)

When Zeke was at the Knicks a few years ago my gf bought me tickets to the game and we sat right above the opposing team tunnel.  I heckled that guy so hard trying to get his attention, kept yelling at him about 'Red Lobster' which is an obscure reference to a story he told on Jim Rome's radio show.  I was sure I'd get a reaction from him but it never happened.

When he went to the tunnel after halftime I jumped up and started screaming 'Are you going to Red Lobster after the game??'

Security noticeably looked at me and stiffened when I jumped out of my seat  :lol

That was when I realized people might think I was crazy and couldn't heckle like I had done when I was a kid.  Felt bad man.  GF was pretty embarrassed too  :lol

One of the guys sitting beside me finally asked me what I was yelling at him and I felt like a douche explaining the story.  I just wanted to see Isiah smile.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 06, 2012, 10:29:40 PM
 :lol :lol :lol

I feel bad for getting that reference
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 06, 2012, 10:40:17 PM
Believe me, if you were there at least one person would have gotten it.

I felt like a tool but after doing it 3 or 4 times what's 5 more times  :lol  I was mad he wouldn't even look at me.

No Jungle Karma for you Zeke!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 06, 2012, 10:41:45 PM
I've never liked Thomas (post retirement), he just comes off so phony
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 06, 2012, 10:51:42 PM
Yeah I agree, always loved him as a player (and thought Mailman should have caught more shit than he did for opening up his face) but everything he's done post-career has been a flop.

Always will remind others that he bankrupted the CBA, what a dick.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 06, 2012, 11:02:55 PM
Dirk. smh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 06, 2012, 11:05:04 PM
LaMarcus Aldridge! Wow. Nice buzzer beater
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 08, 2012, 01:29:14 PM
Rose back but Bulls getting crushed by the Knicks right now. Still early though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 08, 2012, 03:20:12 PM
Knicks collapse in the 4th. Not running any offense and just relying on isos.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 08, 2012, 03:37:57 PM
Wow. Holy Shit
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 08, 2012, 03:54:37 PM
Holy Shit again. Carmelo has been unreal this game. If you haven't watched you've missed a pretty classic game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 08, 2012, 03:57:40 PM
knicks win it. One of the most intense games of the season. It wasn't pretty but Carmelo was clutch as hell.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on April 08, 2012, 04:11:51 PM
Caught the last quarter. Melo with two clutch threes and Shump/Chandler on defense won this game. Amazing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 08, 2012, 06:49:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3dtIedT6Eo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjJBm3-48tk
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 08, 2012, 07:04:49 PM
 :o
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on April 08, 2012, 08:21:03 PM
fucking ridiculous stuff. and i talked shit about melo yesterday to a friend. owned.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 09, 2012, 12:08:22 PM
End of an era...  :'( :'( :'(

(http://i.imgur.com/cqfMl.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 09, 2012, 12:13:46 PM
I don't know. I was playing NBA 2k12 last night with the Mavs and he was still pretty good for me!
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 09, 2012, 03:14:55 PM
Odom is a piece of shit.  I wish the NBA could just ban him for life. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 09, 2012, 03:17:27 PM
Good riddance.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 09, 2012, 06:59:33 PM
He was amazingly consistent. A FG% under .400 EVERY single month. What the fuck is that.

More time for Brandan Wright.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7CW-DalrDc
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 09, 2012, 07:05:12 PM
I hope no team picks him up to send a message, but that won't happen.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 09, 2012, 07:07:30 PM
 http://www.82games.com/1112/1112DAL.HTM

Mav with the best simple rating: Nowitzki: +8.5

The three Mavs with the worst ratings? That's right, his backups!
Odom: -7.1
Cardinal: -11.9
Yi: -14.1


Mav with the highest PER--that's right Dirk Nowitzki. Three worst? That's right, his backups.
Lamar Odom: 9.3
Yi Jianlian: 8.8
Brian Cardinal: 3.1

Why is the team just slightly above .500?
Dirk
on court: +5.4
off court: -5.3
   


Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 09, 2012, 07:10:00 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 09, 2012, 07:05:12 PM
I hope no team picks him up to send a message, but that won't happen.

Who the hell would want him? You not only have to deal with him, but also Khloe Kardashian. Lose-lose.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 09, 2012, 07:36:26 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on April 09, 2012, 07:10:00 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 09, 2012, 07:05:12 PM
I hope no team picks him up to send a message, but that won't happen.

Who the hell would want him? You not only have to deal with him, but also Khloe Kardashian. Lose-lose.

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U deserve so much better. Know ur worth and know ur skills that have been proven and earned! U showed ur strength, I love u. (https://twitter.com/#!/KhloeKardashian/status/189427108454465536)
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(http://i.imgur.com/QPnMq.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: etiolate on April 09, 2012, 07:53:06 PM
like the lakers are always champion like right? totally
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 09, 2012, 08:14:32 PM
Cuban should have known something's wrong with Odom when he not only married a Kardashian but the fugliest one. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 09, 2012, 08:18:04 PM
Seriously, the mom is hotter
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 09, 2012, 08:21:34 PM
The mom reminds me a bit of Jeanna Fine.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 09, 2012, 09:38:04 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on April 09, 2012, 07:36:26 PM

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/QPnMq.jpg[img]

Spoiler that shit and use :nsfw
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 10, 2012, 03:26:13 PM
Games of interest this evening.

Boston at Miami 7:30 EST
Knicks at Bulls 9:30 EST

Both on ESPN.

Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 10, 2012, 04:33:16 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 09, 2012, 07:05:12 PM
I hope no team deals with the Lakers again, but that won't happen.

ftfy
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: etiolate on April 10, 2012, 04:42:15 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/18445795

Quote
Owners get a new building, arena giant AEG makes some money with a new building, the city keeps its team, Mayor Kevin Johnson gets a win, the fans don't lose their souls, the league saves some face, everyone walks away happy.

Well, turns out the Maloofs aren't as happy as they indicated. And they want to go back to the drawing board. They want to renegotiate the deal. Because, you know, the city pitching in $255 million to their $73 millon isn't really enough, given the kind of controls the Kings have to give up for an arena they're not paying for the majority of. That makes sense.

Thing is, the city's done. It asked its city council to vote for the measure they negotiated, and got it approved. They're done. David Stern? He's done. They helped out with some auxilliary funding and getting the deal worked. There's nowhere else for this to go. So the Maloofs are doing the responsible, reasonable thing.

and a 11 page from the Maloofs expressing doubts and concerns suddenly appears: http://www.scribd.com/doc/88339725/032012-Maloof-Letter

And now the Maloofs are going to the BOG and say "Would you take this deal?" and present the deal... they took.

Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 10, 2012, 07:39:15 PM
Miami off to their typically slow start.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 10, 2012, 07:59:12 PM
why have the heat looked so shitty against good teams the last few weeks
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 10, 2012, 08:01:39 PM
After a great early run in the season, they have demonstrated the exact same flaws they always have. They give up too many 3's. Their offense is inconsistent at best outside of the fast break. They get outrebounded.

They will always look amazing against the crappy teams and kinda average against the best teams who slow it down and turn it into a half court game. They are not my pick to win the title this year. They aren't even my top 2. They would be number 3 for me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 10, 2012, 09:38:57 PM
Miami is 13-9 since the All-Star Break

 :poop

Celtics are 18-7 since the All-Star Break.

Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 10, 2012, 09:43:22 PM
:-\

Pat Riley needs to start looking into trading Wade for some pieces. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 11, 2012, 03:15:27 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on April 10, 2012, 09:43:22 PM
:-\

Pat Riley needs to start looking into trading Wade for some pieces.
:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 11, 2012, 03:56:34 PM
http://www.sportsgrid.com/media/jalen-rose-skip-bayless-high-school/
:rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: CajoleJuice on April 11, 2012, 04:26:25 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 11, 2012, 03:56:34 PM
http://www.sportsgrid.com/media/jalen-rose-skip-bayless-high-school/
:rofl

I saw the internet post about it, but seeing that on television :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 11, 2012, 05:05:18 PM
Haha, Bayless is so full of crap. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 11, 2012, 05:30:04 PM
That's pretty amazing.  I'm surprised that ESPN allowed that exchange to happen.  Bayless looked genuinely embarassed. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 11, 2012, 05:36:01 PM
Skip actually wore number 23.  :lol

He might not be totally lying though.  He won't be the first player to start 1 game and called himself a starter.

http://www.thelostogle.com/2012/04/09/skip-bayless-lied-about-his-prestigious-high-school-basketball-career/

Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Robo on April 11, 2012, 05:42:49 PM
Really though, who doesn't lie about their high school sports career?  I can't even remember enough to tell if I'm lying or not.  As far as I know, I threw upwards of 80mph in Little League, couldn't have weighed an ounce over a hunnert pounds.

(I'd never use that experience to posit myself as an authority, however.  What a dummy.)
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 11, 2012, 05:48:23 PM
Yup, pretty much every guy at the gym dunked back in his high school days. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: CajoleJuice on April 11, 2012, 05:51:35 PM
Quote from: Robo on April 11, 2012, 05:42:49 PM
Really though, who doesn't lie about their high school sports career?

people who aren't pathetically insecure? (oh wait, I am, but even I don't lie about that shit)
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 11, 2012, 07:18:20 PM
Quote from: Robo on April 11, 2012, 05:42:49 PM
Really though, who doesn't lie about their high school sports career?  I can't even remember enough to tell if I'm lying or not.  As far as I know, I threw upwards of 80mph in Little League, couldn't have weighed an ounce over a hunnert pounds.

(I'd never use that experience to posit myself as an authority, however.  What a dummy.)

I'd agree for anyone but Skip. He's awful. The problem is he lies all the time even when he clearly remember or knows the truth simply because its part of his gimmick.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 11, 2012, 07:24:42 PM
Important game for the Knicks tonight versus the Bucks as they try to hold onto that 8th playoff seed.


New York 29-28
Milwaukee 28-29

8pm on espn
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 11, 2012, 08:26:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS9QJ8SKtZw

shit got real
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 11, 2012, 09:35:20 PM
Holy shit, Skip is on the verge of tears  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 11, 2012, 10:01:34 PM
Lakers are destroying the Spurs right now without Kobe.   :hyper
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 11, 2012, 10:13:22 PM
'Aight Sherman Helmsly'  :lol :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 11, 2012, 10:43:04 PM
Knicks pull out the win and get a little breathing room.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 12, 2012, 12:30:36 AM
The Spurs are 40-16? Jeez, I really haven't been paying attention
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 12, 2012, 10:47:55 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on April 11, 2012, 05:48:23 PM
Yup, pretty much every guy at the gym dunked back in his high school days. 

Even people that are still in high school lie about being able to dunk, though. If you jump up and hit the rim with the ball and it rolls in, that's like a reverse tomahawk windwill two handed slamma jamma.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Beezy on April 12, 2012, 11:28:25 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 11, 2012, 10:43:04 PM
Knicks pull out the win and get a little breathing room.
J.R. Smith frustrates me so much. Especially since they don't take him off the court when he's playing like shit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 12, 2012, 12:40:59 PM
That's JR in a nutshell. When he's on you think to yourself what an under-rated player and then when he's off you wonder how he's even in the league.

Miami at Chicago on TNT tonight although Rose probably won't play again.

And my new pet peeve about the Heat is how fucking awful Shane Battier has played this season. Nice dude. Very well respected but he's this years Mike Bibby. His defense isn't what it use to be and he's shooting 38% and missing a high number of wide open three's.

And Bosh is putting up his worst rebounding numbers since his rookie year. This is a guy who average over 10 rebounds three times earlier in his career. He's certainly part of the reason why the Heat get worked on the boards all the time.

I don't care whether the heat win a title or not. It's time to trade that dude in the off-season. But they won't.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 12, 2012, 08:09:45 PM
Kobe FG% 43% TO/G 3.6 PER 22.3

Grantland is such a POS.  I didn't even bother reading the article after the first sentence.


http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7796225/kobe-bryant-dr-chris-renna-regenokine-knee-treatment

By nearly every metric, Kobe Bryant is having his best season in years.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 12, 2012, 08:46:36 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on April 12, 2012, 08:09:45 PM
Kobe FG% 43% TO/G 3.6 PER 22.3

Grantland is such a POS.  I didn't even bother reading the article after the first sentence.


http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7796225/kobe-bryant-dr-chris-renna-regenokine-knee-treatment

By nearly every metric, Kobe Bryant is having his best season in years.
OK I'm curious.

Quote
Their peak arrives shortly thereafter, usually around age 24 or 25, and is followed by a steady plateau until age 27. . . And yet, the aging Kobe — he will turn 34 this summer1 — seems to have resisted this dismal downward arc.

Career high PER for Kobe by age:
27 years old: 28 PER
24 years old: 26.2 PER

Ignoring his first four seasons in the the NBA, I see this season's 22.2 PER is his second worst ( worst was at the age of 31).

So Kobe peaked, according to PER, around the same age as the average player. Despite what the article says, Kobe is declining-- he is simply masking this decline by playing more minutes and shooting more.

Dirk also peaked at age 27 (according to PER) and his PER this year is about the same as Kobe's (both are 33). The difference is that Dirk is playing the fewest minutes since his rookie season and taking about four fewer shots than he did at the age of 30. Kobe is taking the third most shots per game in his career and averaging about two more minutes than his career average.

addendum:
Another similarity--Kobe's TS% is at a career low and Dirk's is his second worst (though still respectable at .559)
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 12, 2012, 09:01:24 PM
Oh look. Miami is playing like crap again tonight so far.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 12, 2012, 09:31:59 PM
Malek, good job.  How long did that research take you?

I'm just curious to know how much time it should have taken that author to find out his premise is completely baseless. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 12, 2012, 10:18:31 PM
wow, Lebron just made a crazy and one
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 12, 2012, 10:45:54 PM
holy shit cj watson
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 12, 2012, 10:52:38 PM
lol wade got goofed by SHIEK
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: CajoleJuice on April 12, 2012, 10:56:33 PM
Lol Grantland and hipsters who bought its fancy collection

weeee talking shit about EricP behind his back
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 12, 2012, 11:00:02 PM
And Miami folds like a cheap rug and their offense turns to shit. Fuck the Heat. Title contenders my ass.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Miami Luke Warm suck)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 12, 2012, 11:01:37 PM
yeah, seems like this is either the thunder or bulls time
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Khloe Kardashian>Mavericks)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 12, 2012, 11:08:07 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on April 12, 2012, 09:31:59 PM
Malek, good job.  How long did that research take you?

I'm just curious to know how much time it should have taken that author to find out his premise is completely baseless.

As long as it takes to type "Kobe Bryant basketball reference" into a google search box.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Miami Luke Warm suck)
Post by: etiolate on April 13, 2012, 05:15:21 PM
I have no words for how ridiculous and embarrassing the Maloofs are for the NBA right now. Stern must be thanking his dark god that he's conditioned the press to ignore Sac if at all possible or this would be some Dodgers type shit.

Maloofs agree to terms, come out celebrating and giving fanfare. They probably bust out some seson ticket sales from it. George comes in, busts everything up at the first bill due. They hold this press conference, crapping on the Sacramento market and saying its a bad deal. They ask the BOG if they would agree to a deal that the Maloofs already did. They say they're worried that the arena won't get done in time while simultaneously planning to fight and renegotiate many parts of the deal. They compare Sacramento to Stockton (LOL). They say they aren't looking to relocate while derailing a deal that would make it impossible for them to relocate. They explain their post-term sheet celebration as Gavin being excited over something that's not his job. So yes, George Maloof just threw his bro under the bus on that one. Now, and this is the hilarious bit, George Maloof brings up redoing Arco Arena (Power Balance Pavilion) after the Maloofs spent money and PR explaining why that wasn't a feasible option and thus why they need a new arena.

And what is the NBA going to do? What can they do? Tell the Maloofs that they won't approve any move attempt? That just leaves the Maloofs to continually tank and wait out an opportunity. The Kings become the Oakland A's.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Miami Luke Warm suck)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 13, 2012, 06:14:03 PM
Well, the arena deal fell apart in Sacramento.  Sad for the fans there.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7810708/deal-new-sacramento-kings-arena-falls-through
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Miami Luke Warm suck)
Post by: etiolate on April 13, 2012, 06:47:17 PM
Maloofs trying to kill this like they killed the arena vote initiative.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Miami Luke Warm suck)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 13, 2012, 07:58:27 PM
Yeah at this point it couldn't be any clearer that they  have no desire to remain in Sacramento.

Now all that remains to be seen is if Stern has any desire to save another good basketball market or if he just wants to poison another area ala Charlotte and Seattle.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Miami Luke Warm suck)
Post by: etiolate on April 13, 2012, 08:44:24 PM
But they'll still say "We're committed to Sacramento."

Which makes it all the more slimey.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Miami Luke Warm suck)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 13, 2012, 08:56:23 PM
Yep.  And guess who is head of the relocation committee?  The dude who moved Seattle to OKC.  Conflict of interest much?

Stern is a fuckhead who built and now is helping destroy the NBA one market at a time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Miami Luke Warm suck)
Post by: pilonv1 on April 13, 2012, 10:10:32 PM
Eric Gordon is torching the Jazz. Someone's going to offer him close to max
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Miami Luke Warm suck)
Post by: etiolate on April 13, 2012, 11:59:25 PM
The only reason Gordon shouldn't get paid is because of his injury history. Otherwise, I really like him as a player and I'm not sure who out there at his position will compete with him in a few years.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Miami Luke Warm suck)
Post by: etiolate on April 14, 2012, 12:10:44 AM
The sacbee has a list of the Maloofs issues and requests for the deal and reading it over, you pretty much understand why KJ and Stern think the deal is dead.

Quote
• Kings have not agreed to putting up collateral for a new bond sale to extend the team's existing city loan.

To help the Maloofs, their current debt to the city will be getting refinanced. The current deal lists Arco as collateral. They don't want to have anything as collateral on this bond deal. That's asking quite a bit to start off with,

Quote
• Kings want approval rights over arena designs and change orders.

• Kings want city to pay all pre-development costs.

• Kings do not want to be responsible for additional costs for change orders on arena.

• Kings want to be allowed to continue to use Power Balance Pavilion in limited ways that would not compete with new arena.

• Kings want more limited wording on whether the team can relocate before 30 years.

• Kings want to approve the city's arena management agreement with AEG.

• Kings want priority in scheduling practices at the arena, and want to not be charged for using the arena for practices and other Kings events.

• Kings do not agree to a 30-year lease. They want that issue negotiated further.

• Kings do not want to be responsible for game-day arena expenses.

• Kings want a say on arena naming rights and signage.

• Kings want further negotiations on use of certain suites, clubs and restaurants.

• Kings want to negotiate for parking alternatives if a premium parking garage is not completed nearby in time for arena opening.

• Kings want to delete the term sheet section that subjects the arena to all city taxes.

• Kings want agreement to include suitable office space for team at the arena.


There's a couple amazing things here. First, their argument for not paying pre-development costs is because tenants don't normally do that. So why would a tenant get to negotiate naming rights, refuse the city taxes, have veto rights and such that tenants don't have? This was pointed out as flawed logic as soon as George Maloof said they weren't paying the Pre-development costs, but they make no effort to hide it.

The city taxes were to help repay the loan. Again, their presentation was like it came from an organization trying to stop the arena because it would hurt and bankrupt the city, while at the same time asking to remove a way for the city to finance the arena.

Then there's wanting to renegotiate the lease, which gets to the biggest deal killer:

Quote
• Kings want to delete provision that says any new owner of team must assume obligations in term sheet.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/04/13/4411932/kings-arena-deal-concerns-range.html#storylink=cpy

This is never happening. Asking for this basically announces that you'll sell the team at the first increase in market value and you want to be able to sell it to someone looking to move. The city isn't going to build this arena and then give the team an out to leave town in a few years when the Maloofs sell to try to save themselves from bankruptcy. The city will never agree to that. They wouldn't be able to get local businesses on board.

And it will be difficult for the city to redo this and get everyone on board again now that the Maloofs have killed any sense of faith in them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Miami Luke Warm suck)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 14, 2012, 03:36:09 PM
wrong thread
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Miami Luke Warm suck)
Post by: OptimoPeach on April 14, 2012, 05:54:08 PM
^Baseball lol.

I'm honestly at the point where I don't even care anymore. Two years of this being discussed to death in water cooler talk, local news segments, and local sports radio, and it's all come full circle.

And the thought of anyone spending money on renovating Arco is just :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Miami Luke Warm suck)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 15, 2012, 10:59:11 AM
Games of interest today

Miami at New York 1:00 est
Dallas at Lakers 3:30 est

Although Kobe probably won't play.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Miami Luke Warm suck)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 15, 2012, 01:37:52 PM
Announcers please stop licking Erik Spoelstra's ass. He's done nothing special with the Heat in two seasons.

Thank you.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Miami Luke Warm suck)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 15, 2012, 02:02:36 PM
Carmelo is roasting the heat.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Miami Luke Warm suck)
Post by: Beezy on April 15, 2012, 04:24:00 PM
Knicks settle for too many 3s at the end of the game when they're down. I feel like I've been saying this forever. While they're missing their 3s, their opponent just goes for easy 2s and slowly extends their lead. Shit is frustrating.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Miami Luke Warm suck)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 15, 2012, 10:34:34 PM
I keep saying it but if Kobe comes back and actually steps back a little and lets the other players actually play that Lakers team is as dangerous as any team for the playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Miami Luke Warm suck)
Post by: Fifstar on April 16, 2012, 12:04:24 PM
Dirk put some Kobe like figures up yesterday.

I may be selectively remembering games, but I get the feeling Dirk had quite a few shooting slumps lately (albeit not shooting as much as yesterday).
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 16, 2012, 12:37:02 PM
I like how playoffs teams are just resting stars now when they play the Bobcats because they know they can still win.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 16, 2012, 12:43:01 PM
It would be great if Seattle manages to get the Kings, but man, I really feel for the fans down in Sacramento. They're getting massively dicked around.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 16, 2012, 06:16:42 PM
OKC at the Clippers tonight. They played last week and it was a great game.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8o-1cv5lqc
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Beezy on April 16, 2012, 06:57:51 PM
I hate Reggie Miller as a commentator.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 16, 2012, 11:23:53 PM
Cuban shouldn't have stopped with Odom.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 16, 2012, 11:40:35 PM
Fuck the Jazz.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 16, 2012, 11:49:03 PM
Dirk
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 17, 2012, 12:02:34 AM
Cohen, have you been teaching this team how to shoot free throws?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 17, 2012, 12:17:00 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRFzKONZH-M
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Himu on April 17, 2012, 12:19:44 AM
Fucking ROCKETS
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 17, 2012, 12:48:31 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 16, 2012, 12:37:02 PM
I like how playoffs teams are just resting stars now when they play the Bobcats because they know they can still win.

Not just playoff teams.  Hornets sat Gordon and Kaman tonight.  Ridiculous.

Isn't bad enough that the NBA gave us a shitty schedule (no Lakers home game, only 1 Heat game etc) but now we don't even get to see stars because we're not competitive on any level.

Where is my incentive to renew my tickets next year?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 17, 2012, 01:00:53 AM
Clips take down the Thunder. They take the season series from them as they won 3 out of the 4.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 17, 2012, 02:37:18 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z7nvFAHzEQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD72fwOE8Dk
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: pilonv1 on April 17, 2012, 05:40:15 AM
All the shit that happened today and no one posted this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko1kbwbIJd4

Also bonus Iain Eagle/Mike Fratello spat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9YOgxz22EU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyHkbQ6uics
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 17, 2012, 02:32:54 PM
haha Czar  :lol

his point was pretty clear to me
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 17, 2012, 03:18:42 PM
Games of interest this evening.

Boston at New York
San Antonio at LA Lakers

Both on TNT.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 17, 2012, 10:10:18 PM
Carmelo having his first really good stretch of the season and having a good night tonight.

Over last 10 games.

30.2 ppg
.509  FG percentage
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 17, 2012, 10:24:15 PM
Yeah Melo stepped up once Lin got hurt. Think about that for a second.  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 17, 2012, 10:34:19 PM
Novak has been hot as hell the second half of the season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 17, 2012, 10:42:19 PM
Yeah that dude is the best long distance shooter in the NBA right now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Beezy on April 17, 2012, 11:07:30 PM
:elephant
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 18, 2012, 01:31:21 PM
Wet Willy Gate

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/7828603/delonte-west-west-willy-nets-stern-talk-dallas-mavericks-coach-rick-carlisle

Also Novak last night


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXMj9D399bs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 18, 2012, 02:21:28 PM
Melo's April: 32 PPG, .51 FG%, 8 RPG, 4 RPG

#Two zero one superstar(s)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 18, 2012, 10:56:30 PM
Dirk with 31 in the 2nd half, 21 in the 4th.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 19, 2012, 01:06:25 PM
http://www.sportando.net/video/eng/9857/spartak-spb-triumph-rampant-anomalies-in-the-refereeing.html

wow lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 19, 2012, 03:32:37 PM
Chicago at Miami on TNT tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 19, 2012, 07:50:37 PM
FG% Final minute to tie or take the lead in the 4th or overtime since 2000 (playoffs included)
Nowitzki   0.440 (116 FGA)
James    0.364 (132 FGA)
Allen    0.349 (129 FGA)
Kobe  0.348 (230 FGA)
Gordon    0.347  (95)
Wade    0.325 (114 FGA)
Carter     0.321 (162 FGA)

edit: added attempts

Clutch FG% since 2000*
Duncan    0.460    
LeBron 0.460    
Nash    0.459    
Terry    0.438    
KG    0.434    
Dirk    0.428
Melo    0.421
Wade    0.415
R.Allen    0.405    
Vince       0.401    
A.Miller       0.397    
Kobe    0.397        
Billups       0.388    
Pierce    0.387    
TMac       0.373
*min 650 "clutch" shots (shots occurring during the 4th quarter or overtime, with less than five minutes remaining, and neither team ahead by more than five points) including playoffs.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 19, 2012, 10:22:51 PM
I don't think those numbers are particularly new or anything but what's instructive there is that none of those guys are shooting anywhere near their normal FG% in those situations. So really, nobody is 'clutch' in the sense of 'rising to the occasion'. It does tell you who can still get a decent shot against a dug-in defense but it should hopefully put to rest some of the nonsense about godlike beings ascending to a higher plane of basketball reality through sheer willpower, homicidal competitiveness and balls the size of grapefruit
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 19, 2012, 10:35:56 PM
I'd like to see what Jordan's numbers are for that.

edit: in his career that is
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 19, 2012, 10:36:50 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7834605/orlando-magic-dwight-howard-back-surgery-miss-rest-season
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 19, 2012, 10:50:51 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 19, 2012, 10:35:56 PM
I'd like to see what Jordan's numbers are for that.

edit: in his career that is

Another implication of the low shooting percentages in clutch time is that defense is more significant than offense in those situations. So, while obviously it wouldn't ever tell the whole story of team defense, it would be interesting to see a list of the toughest players to score on in those situations. I'm betting Jordan would do very very well there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: pilonv1 on April 19, 2012, 11:10:38 PM
% means nothing in those situations, I'd rather look at made shots. And using the whole 4th quarter is misleading.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 19, 2012, 11:26:29 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 19, 2012, 10:50:51 PM
Another implication of the low shooting percentages in clutch time is that defense is more significant than offense in those situations.

I don't think either changes in significance. The lower shooting percentage is probably just the result of fatigue, predictability (the ball is going to be in a limited number of players hands), double-teams, and time constraints. If, for example, the Lakers are down by three with five seconds to go, the ball is going into the hands of Kobe, who has played 40 minute. He'll be double or triple teamed at the 3-point line, and he'll have very little time to get a shot off.


Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 19, 2012, 11:27:51 PM
Quote from: pilonv1 on April 19, 2012, 11:10:38 PM
% means nothing in those situations, I'd rather look at made shots. And using the whole 4th quarter is misleading.
Made shots makes chuckers look clutch. If you issue is with sample size, the Clutch FG% since 2000 uses a min of 650 shots taken.

Who used the entire 4th?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: pilonv1 on April 19, 2012, 11:29:24 PM
my bad, didn't see "final minute"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 19, 2012, 11:35:15 PM
You deserve a pass having been educated in a former penal colony.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: pilonv1 on April 19, 2012, 11:36:40 PM
:auscry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 19, 2012, 11:54:55 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on April 19, 2012, 11:26:29 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 19, 2012, 10:50:51 PM
Another implication of the low shooting percentages in clutch time is that defense is more significant than offense in those situations.

I don't think either changes in significance. The lower shooting percentage is probably just the result of fatigue, predictability (the ball is going to be in a limited number of players hands), double-teams, and time constraints. If, for example, the Lakers are down by three with five seconds to go, the ball is going into the hands of Kobe, who has played 40 minute. He'll be double or triple teamed at the 3-point line, and he'll have very little time to get a shot off.


That's all valid but it's not just that. All the time-outs play into the hands of the D (allows coaches to sub in defensive specialists and set-up a half-court defense rather than having to defend the full court in transition, for example), as well as literally taking one player off the court (the inbounder). A team that is well-coached defensively can really shine in those situations, I think. Whereas the offensive team often ends up playing to weaknesses rather than strengths (see Philly this year for many many examples - it got destroyed at the end of close games this year for a number of reasons, some of which are mysterious to me but also because it has young athletes who do well in transition but not the half-court I think)

Seen this?

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/40886/outscoring-opponents-in-the-clutch
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 19, 2012, 11:58:41 PM
So, Miami is drawing the Magic in the first round (as of today at least, though likely fixed by now). Hard to imagine an easier first round with Dwight out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 20, 2012, 01:04:45 AM
I want to see Dell Currys numbers in those stats.  For a guy who played on a ton of shitty teams he made a tremendous amount of true buzzer beaters for game winners and ties/OT.

Also, everyone knew he would get the ball too and there was nothing to be done about it.  Best pure clutch jumper I've ever seen.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2012, 01:07:57 AM
Clippers Suns game has been pretty good.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2012, 01:21:27 AM
Suns steal it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Beezy on April 20, 2012, 02:11:10 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 19, 2012, 11:58:41 PM
So, Miami is drawing the Magic in the first round (as of today at least, though likely fixed by now). Hard to imagine an easier first round with Dwight out.
Isn't it Heat - Knicks right now? Although the way they're playing Knicks still have a chance of taking the 6th spot from the Magics with Howard gone.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: etiolate on April 20, 2012, 03:26:29 AM
Dwight Howard's year = Seriously WTF is going on dude


Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 20, 2012, 07:01:35 AM
I knew I wasn't being too hard on him.  They lost to the Bobcats by 15 that night, just think about that.  The Hornets beat the Bobcats without Gordon or Kaman playing, but Dwight Howard led the Magic to a 15 pt loss.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 20, 2012, 01:14:42 PM
At one point before Howard was even hurt ESPN had a stat that Orlando was second only to the Bobcats in 15+ point losses this season.

Of all the teams legitimately tanking the season, none of them except the worst team in our lifetimes had lost more times by a shitload of pts than a team 'actually trying.'

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2012, 08:37:28 PM
Lakers at San Antonio this evening on espn. Kobe is playing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: T234 on April 20, 2012, 09:04:39 PM
Quote from: Beezy on April 16, 2012, 06:57:51 PM
I hate Reggie Miller as a commentator.

Reggie Miller is to you how Christian Laettner is to me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 20, 2012, 09:44:31 PM
Bobcats still have four more chances.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 22, 2012, 01:29:28 PM
OKC at Lakers 3:30 est

Knicks on now with Amare back.

Regular season ends this Thursday btw.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 22, 2012, 04:38:47 PM
Ron Artest being Ron Artest
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 22, 2012, 04:51:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwqgEcMkqOs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 22, 2012, 05:21:20 PM
fucking artest  :lol

also, good lord this game is zzzz.  The Lakers are so fucking boring to watch.  They're even making the Thunder look boring, possibly the most fun team in the league.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 22, 2012, 06:41:49 PM
Ended up being a crazy game. Lakers win.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 22, 2012, 06:47:13 PM
well I'll eat my crow.  Kobe was shit until the 4th quarter.  The big story today though: westbrick and durant were awful.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: etiolate on April 22, 2012, 08:20:21 PM
That was a lunatic elbow. Like I'm not sure Artest knew there were other people int he world at that time. He went totally Lennie with the mouse there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 22, 2012, 09:53:24 PM
World Peace upside yo head.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 22, 2012, 10:24:15 PM
Wow @ Artest. He knew Harden was right near him and still did that shit.

dude might have a concussion
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: pilonv1 on April 22, 2012, 11:33:30 PM
fuck my team
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 22, 2012, 11:37:23 PM
another devastating win, eh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: pilonv1 on April 22, 2012, 11:43:39 PM
Previously it was crushing

this one was devestating

one more would be cataclysmic

:gloomy
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 23, 2012, 12:10:52 AM
Jackson could be the first coach in the history of sports to be fired for winning too much
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: pilonv1 on April 23, 2012, 12:42:12 AM
It's not his fault. Wolves were fucking horrendous and they didn't go full tank early enough.

The only thing I can blame him for tonight is not taking Jenkins out when he hurt his knee.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 23, 2012, 02:21:49 AM
i basically haven't watched any games in about 2 weeks 'cause i'm just assuming every team is tanking or resting stars or whatever. Am I missing anything?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 23, 2012, 02:23:14 AM
Also, I'm pretty cool with where the Celtics are at now. They'll probably go out to the Bulls in the 2nd round but hey. So long as they go down swinging. They will at the least be a fun underdog to root for, with a puncher's chance.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 23, 2012, 03:52:06 AM
Well shit, Harden is confirmed as having a concussion. If LeBron is anything to go by, he's going to be terrible for at least a couple of weeks. I find it hard to believe it was deliberate but damn, Artest is dumb
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 23, 2012, 04:20:59 AM
Hard to believe it was deliberate?  Did you see the play?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Beezy on April 23, 2012, 05:28:34 AM
Quote from: DJ_Tet on April 23, 2012, 04:20:59 AM
Hard to believe it was deliberate?  Did you see the play?
Artest is a head case. It could have been a ref or a teammate near him at that moment. They'd catch that elbow too. He still needs to be suspended for it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 23, 2012, 08:15:48 AM
I saw it and agree it looks incredibly bad, but I think it's just too staggeringly dumb to be deliberate, even for Artest. I mean, he wasn't fighting for position (he was under the OKC basket, and I don't even think the ball was in play!), he was celebrating after a dunk (which is so unusual for him that the whole arena's eyes were on him...) - it just makes no kind of sense that even someone as dumb as that would go for a flagrant elbow at that time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 23, 2012, 09:42:18 AM
Unless he was having a seizure I don't see how cocking your arm back and throwing an elbow constitutes a 'celebration.'

I agree that he could have thrown a wild bow in that situation, it was the 'cocking' of the arm that made it look deliberate to me.

And Artest is legitimately crazy, I mean, for real.  He always has been.  This is the guy who got invited to train with Jordan for his comeback and actually broke his ribs.  He was crazy in college.

He'll be crazy when he's 60.  And when you're crazy, anything is on the table, including throwing an elbow right at someone's head for the world to see.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 23, 2012, 09:45:20 AM
I don't really care whether it was "intentional" or not. The debate about how somebody inwardly is, isn't something that interests me. Especially for Ron Artest. What I can say was that it was an utterly dangerous and stupid move either way and I hope he gets suspended for quite a bit. The dude is a knucklehead. Always has been. Always will be.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 23, 2012, 09:59:27 AM
When he spun around after the dunk, Artest was directly in front of Harden, who he then hit him in the chest as he was winding up for the elbow. Bottom line is that he knew or SHOULD HAVE known Harden was there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 23, 2012, 10:00:15 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so3TR0bcx9k
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 23, 2012, 10:59:13 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 23, 2012, 09:45:20 AM
I don't really care whether it was "intentional" or not. The debate about how somebody inwardly is, isn't something that interests me. Especially for Ron Artest. What I can say was that it was an utterly dangerous and stupid move either way and I hope he gets suspended for quite a bit. The dude is a knucklehead. Always has been. Always will be.

I agree.  Even if it was someone with no past incidents or infractions, I wouldn't be able to give them the benefit of the doubt on that play.  The fact that it was Artest just solidifies it in my mind.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 23, 2012, 11:15:01 AM
Former Duke and Portland Trailblazer (and Celtic) Alaa Abdelnaby with a great point on twitter:

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Metta,when you "accidentally" elbow someone,you are surprised as anyone. You didn't even act like it was an accident! #dumbass
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 23, 2012, 11:32:12 AM
Artest should be suspended for one game more than it takes James Harden to come back.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 23, 2012, 03:35:28 PM
Laker fans are pretty awesome

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Did he deserve an elbow? Maybe not. But don't pretend Harden didn't have anything in mind when he collided with Artest.

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 23, 2012, 03:38:02 PM
Every single Bobcat except one (and barely) has a PER below league average.  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 23, 2012, 05:02:26 PM
Kemba, a rookie who is shooting what, 35%?

So bad.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: etiolate on April 23, 2012, 05:48:34 PM
got blown the fuck out by the Kings

impressive
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 23, 2012, 06:00:49 PM
It was.  We have a tendency to play our worst against the worst.  Got blown out twice by the Wizards, got swept by the Pistons.  Hadn't lost to the Kings since 2008 and it was over 3 minutes into the game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Ganhyun on April 23, 2012, 06:30:44 PM
What chances do the Hawks have in the playoffs?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 23, 2012, 06:35:09 PM
Quote from: Ganhyun on April 23, 2012, 06:30:44 PM
What chances do the Hawks have in the playoffs?


:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 23, 2012, 06:35:16 PM
Quote from: Ganhyun on April 23, 2012, 06:30:44 PM
What chances do the Hawks have in the playoffs?

They've tended to play better in the playoffs than in the regular season in recent years for what is essentially a squad of under achievers. They have a tough matchup in the first round against the Celtics who have played much better in the second half. It's possible they can win that series but I still expect the Celtics to. If they do win its hard to see them going further although I suppose it depends on the second round matchup. They would be competitive with any teams in the conference in a series outside of Miami and Chicago which says more about the weakness of those other squads than the strengths of Atlanta.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 23, 2012, 06:41:55 PM
So are the Spurs considered title contenders? I'm still baffled at their record

Chicago v OKC finals?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 23, 2012, 06:44:59 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 23, 2012, 06:41:55 PM
So are the Spurs considered title contenders? I'm still baffled at their record

Chicago v OKC finals?

Why not. They got knocked off by a very tough Grizzlies team last year. They will always be a solid squad. In the east the overwhelming favorites are clearly the Heat or Chicago.

I think the West is a lot less clear. A lot of people like the Thunder but it wouldn't be shocking for a team other than them to get there. I think San Antonio, the Thunder, and the Lakers all have a legit shot.

And the Clippers or Grizzlies could upset anybody potentially.

That first round Clippers/Griz series will be brutal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: etiolate on April 23, 2012, 06:48:21 PM
It depends on if Manu is healthy for the Spurs. Parker has been great this year, but I think Manu has to be able to have those big killer games if they want into the Finals.

Also, remember when it was heavily rumored that the Spurs had offered Parker & Richard Jeffferson to the Kings for their draft pick & Omri Casspi?

Way to be cheap Maloofs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 23, 2012, 07:00:23 PM
What's kinda sad is that if the Mavericks had resigned Chandler they would still be a title contender this year instead of an after thought. I think its almost always bad policy to not actively try to repeat with nearly the same squad. You just never know when you are going to get those chances.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 23, 2012, 07:05:49 PM
Been arguing with a moron about that on OA.  He seems to think they will get Howard and Deron with the cap space saved by not signing Chandler.

Never mind the two years you wasted of Dirk's prime waiting for these pieces to hopefully fall in place.  And of course now there's no guarantee Howard's back will hold up or what type of player he will be when he comes back.

You don't dismantle a championship team until they lose in the playoffs.  I can understand not signing Barea but not signing Chandler was a mistake.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 23, 2012, 07:09:45 PM
I can't wait for Memphis/LAC.  Gonna be an awesome series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 23, 2012, 07:11:26 PM
They will almost certainly get Deron Williams next year. So I get the idea that signing Chandler would have hurt them potentially for the future. I just think when you win a title you owe it to the players and the fans to legit try to repeat. I have no doubt the mavs will always be a competitive good team with Cuban owning them. But its so difficult to get the right mix of a squad to get to that title that I think you gotta at least give a repeat a chance.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 23, 2012, 07:39:05 PM
Did you guys hear Cuban on Bill Simmons' podcast? He went into considerable detail about why they did it. He basically pleaded the new CBA above all. He's clever and generally a great owner but occasionally he does commit these sins of over-prudence (not resigning Nash being the most egregious of course, although it was very defensible at the time)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 23, 2012, 07:41:47 PM
It wouldn't have been nearly as bad if Lamar Odom hadn't been such a massive bust.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: pilonv1 on April 23, 2012, 07:42:55 PM
Re-signing Chandler would have given them no flexibility long term. If he'd signed for 1 year then I think they would have done it in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 23, 2012, 07:51:11 PM
Yeah, they'd have had an old, expensive team with no draft prospects for the next 5 years. I mean, Beaubois is the only draft pick they've developed at all in recent years and they are basically at the end of their tether with him I think. Once they get rid of Kidd and Terry, it'll look like a whole different team. Tough choice though, I'm sure Cuban was very very tempted to keep the band together. Chandler is well worth what he's getting paid.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 23, 2012, 07:53:00 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 23, 2012, 07:51:11 PM
Yeah, they'd have had an old, expensive team with no draft prospects for the next 5 years. I mean, Beaubois is the only draft pick they've developed at all in recent years and they are basically at the end of their tether with him I think. Once they get rid of Kidd and Terry, it'll look like a whole different team. Tough choice though, I'm sure Cuban was very very tempted to keep the band together. Chandler is well worth what he's getting paid.

Basically the Pistons a few years ago. Way to go, Joe
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 23, 2012, 08:38:06 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on April 23, 2012, 07:41:47 PM
It wouldn't have been nearly as bad if Lamar Odom hadn't been such a massive bust.

But they didn't have Odom and had no way of knowing they could get him at the time they made the decision to let Chandler go.


Quote from: DJ_Tet on April 23, 2012, 06:00:49 PM
It was.  We have a tendency to play our worst against the worst.  Got blown out twice by the Wizards, got swept by the Pistons.  Hadn't lost to the Kings since 2008 and it was over 3 minutes into the game.

Nailed it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: etiolate on April 23, 2012, 09:08:54 PM
I haven't been as high on the Clips as a playoff force since Billups got injured. I think CP3 will be stuck having to do it all in the playoffs again and face defenses set to deny him. Blake's offensive game is pretty limited and they need either Mo or Foye to play awesome to win a tough series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Beezy on April 23, 2012, 09:26:38 PM
:bow Tyson Chandler :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 23, 2012, 09:32:01 PM
It's just funny how many shitty centers Cuban signed over the years and he finally gets a good one, and a championship, and just lets him walk.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 23, 2012, 09:47:42 PM
Yeah, but on the other hand, they've never had a real shot at a marquee free agent in the Cuban era, and this D-Will thing sure seems like it could happen
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 23, 2012, 10:06:20 PM
Yeah D-Will is a huge pickup no doubt.  No way they could have kept Chandler and still gotten D-Will?

Still wasted their 'repeat' year and one of Dirk's prime years, but D-Will would make a huge difference.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 23, 2012, 10:16:59 PM
Well, they won't be resigning Kidd, or Terry I imagine. Possibly they could amnesty Brenda. I'm not super-hip on their cap situation but possibly there was a way they could have swung it. I think the big sticking point was Shawn Marion's contract - if Cuban had been able to dump it without taking too much money back...but that hasn't happened.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on April 23, 2012, 10:48:06 PM
DJ Tet - Hollinger dissects the Bobcats, truly painful to read. Can't imagine how bad it was to watch

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Kemba Walker and the Bobcats have won just seven games this season.
Worst. Team. Ever.

With three games left, the Charlotte Bobcats are careening toward infamy. Losers of 20 straight, they stand at 7-56, and if they don't win one of their final three contests, their 7-59 mark would be the worst winning percentage in NBA history. Although it would not be the fewest wins in pro basketball history -- the Providence Steamrollers of the old BAA, featuring jump shot inventor Kenny Sailors, went 6-42 in 1947-48 -- by virtually any other standard this team has a strong claim on the title of worst ever.

Consider Sunday night, for instance, when the Bobcats lost to Sacramento … at home … by 26. Do you know how bad you have to be to get blown out at home by the Kings? Sacramento hadn't won a game by 26 points all season, had won one road game since the All-Star break and had only four double-digit wins in its previous 63 outings. My Power Rankings rate the Kings the league's fourth worst team, and they still completely outclassed the Cats.

Charlotte has three more chances to get a win, with the best hope seeming to be Monday's road game in Washington. Emphasis on "seeming" -- the Wizards have actually been a real basketball team for the past month or so, winning five of their past seven (including a 28-point romp in Charlotte) and all but eliminating Milwaukee with an upset win on Wednesday.

The other two games are in Orlando on Wednesday and the finale at home against the Knicks on Thursday. If Charlotte loses on Wednesday it'll probably play the Knicks' backups on Thursday -- an Orlando win eliminates New York's shot at the No. 6 seed -- and its best shot at the elusive eighth win may come against Jerome Jordan, Toney Douglas and the rest of the Knicks' bench.

In the meantime, let's look a little closer at the many levels of Charlotte's awfulness, starting with its staggeringly awful scoring margin.

The Bobcats have been outscored by 13.70 points per game this season; that's more than double the margin of the next worst team, Cleveland (-6.73). Of late they've redoubled their efforts; during the current 20-game losing streak, 14 of the defeats have been by double figures and an astounding nine have been by 20 points or more.

Amazingly, this isn't the worst scoring margin in NBA history, and it represents Charlotte's best argument for not being the worst team ever. The 1992-93 Mavericks went 11-71 and were outscored by 14.68 points per game; the only way the Bobcats can equal that is if they lose by a combined 106 points over the final three games. While I wouldn't put this past them, this is a tall order even for lowly Charlotte.

Charlotte is set to join that Mavs team in another category of awfulness: The Bobcats are on pace to finish last in both offensive and defensive efficiency. (The 1986-87 Clippers also managed this; in any debate about bad teams, you must never overlook the Clippers). Charlotte is virtually assured of finishing last in offense, with a mouth-dropping 92.4 mark that is five points worse than the next worst team. (Comparison point: five points is what separates No. 3 Denver from No. 20 Dallas). If you're looking for further lowlights, consider their appalling 48.5 team true shooting percentage -- basically, everybody shoots like Rajon Rondo, Terrence Williams or Sebastian Telfair.

On defense, however, they have some competition. Sacramento and New Jersey both stand just one point ahead of them; while it would require some pretty severe results to pass them over the course of just three Charlotte games and two apiece for the Kings and Nets, it's not beyond the realm of possibility.

And finally, there's this: at least Dallas had Derek Harper. Harper finished with a respectable 15.9 PER. And at least the 1972-73 Sixers had Fred Carter, as well as two other players who finished with a PER above the league average.

The Bobcats? You can make a credible argument that not one player on their roster would start for most teams.

Most notably, they're threatening to not have a single player with a PER above the league average of 15.00. Thanks to a late charge, rookie Kemba Walker has pushed his mark up to 15.28, which for the moment has him dangling over the precipice of respectability. He has three games not to screw it up.

The next closest Bobcat is Derrick Brown at 14.41. (If you're reading this, you're probably a big fan. But probably not so big that you know who Derrick Brown is, or what he looks like, or where he went to school. NBA players do not come more obscure than Derrick Brown).

Surprisingly, the Bobcats actually have a lot of halfway-decent, rotation-caliber players. Walker, Brown, D.J. Augustin, Corey Maggette, Byron Mullens, Gerald Henderson and Bismack Biyombo all are good enough to crack virtually any team's top nine. So was Boris Diaw, as he's proven in San Antonio. And D.J. White and Reggie Williams aren't terrible, either.

What ails the Cats more than anything, it seems, is their complete and total lack of star power, particularly on offense. The hope was that Tyrus Thomas could be something of a go-to guy, but he's been shockingly awful and frequently miscast as a small forward.

You can go through the roster with similar disappointments. The hope was that Augustin could build on his strong finish to last season, but he's proven to be no more than a decent backup. The hope was that Maggette could provide offense, but he's been injured half the year (not a surprise) and his effectiveness has declined markedly when he's played (a bit more of a surprise). The hope was that Diaw would lay off the brie and arrive in shape … actually, that was hopeless from the start.

Unfortunately, most of what can go wrong has. But even if everything went right, this team was doomed to be terrible because of the moves of the past five seasons. From Larry Brown's arrival up until the middle of last season, virtually every Charlotte move ended up torching the 2011-12 roster.

While trading Tyson Chandler for Erick Dampier remains the piece de resistance (in a "salary dump," mind you, that saved no money), they've also had multiple draft tragedies highlighted by Alexis Ajinca and Adam Morrison, dealt a lottery pick in 2007 and had no first-rounders in 2009 or 2010.

And, of course, they've had no luck with stars. Gerald Wallace was the closest thing they've had to one, and the Bobcats rightly cashed in his stock at the trade deadline a year ago.

In other words, it isn't easy being this bad, which explains why only a couple of teams in the past seven decades can rival Charlotte's awfulness. And it may get worse before it gets better -- thanks to the "let's be average now rather than good later" mindset of the Brown era, the Bobcats still owe the Bulls a future first that becomes completely unprotected in 2016.

In the meantime, they still have three games to avoid the history books. As you might imagine, they'll be heavy underdogs in all three.

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It's going to be a sad day if the Bobcats don't even get the 1st overall pick after all this, and that has been happening more often than not the past few years (the worst team doesn't end up drawing the 1st pick)
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Just how bad are the Bobcats?
Charlotte needs a win to avoid the history books (PER Diem: April 23, 2012)
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Kemba Walker and the Bobcats have won just seven games this season.
Worst. Team. Ever.

With three games left, the Charlotte Bobcats are careening toward infamy. Losers of 20 straight, they stand at 7-56, and if they don't win one of their final three contests, their 7-59 mark would be the worst winning percentage in NBA history. Although it would not be the fewest wins in pro basketball history -- the Providence Steamrollers of the old BAA, featuring jump shot inventor Kenny Sailors, went 6-42 in 1947-48 -- by virtually any other standard this team has a strong claim on the title of worst ever.

Consider Sunday night, for instance, when the Bobcats lost to Sacramento … at home … by 26. Do you know how bad you have to be to get blown out at home by the Kings? Sacramento hadn't won a game by 26 points all season, had won one road game since the All-Star break and had only four double-digit wins in its previous 63 outings. My Power Rankings rate the Kings the league's fourth worst team, and they still completely outclassed the Cats.

Charlotte has three more chances to get a win, with the best hope seeming to be Monday's road game in Washington. Emphasis on "seeming" -- the Wizards have actually been a real basketball team for the past month or so, winning five of their past seven (including a 28-point romp in Charlotte) and all but eliminating Milwaukee with an upset win on Wednesday.

The other two games are in Orlando on Wednesday and the finale at home against the Knicks on Thursday. If Charlotte loses on Wednesday it'll probably play the Knicks' backups on Thursday -- an Orlando win eliminates New York's shot at the No. 6 seed -- and its best shot at the elusive eighth win may come against Jerome Jordan, Toney Douglas and the rest of the Knicks' bench.

In the meantime, let's look a little closer at the many levels of Charlotte's awfulness, starting with its staggeringly awful scoring margin.

The Bobcats have been outscored by 13.70 points per game this season; that's more than double the margin of the next worst team, Cleveland (-6.73). Of late they've redoubled their efforts; during the current 20-game losing streak, 14 of the defeats have been by double figures and an astounding nine have been by 20 points or more.

Amazingly, this isn't the worst scoring margin in NBA history, and it represents Charlotte's best argument for not being the worst team ever. The 1992-93 Mavericks went 11-71 and were outscored by 14.68 points per game; the only way the Bobcats can equal that is if they lose by a combined 106 points over the final three games. While I wouldn't put this past them, this is a tall order even for lowly Charlotte.

Charlotte is set to join that Mavs team in another category of awfulness: The Bobcats are on pace to finish last in both offensive and defensive efficiency. (The 1986-87 Clippers also managed this; in any debate about bad teams, you must never overlook the Clippers). Charlotte is virtually assured of finishing last in offense, with a mouth-dropping 92.4 mark that is five points worse than the next worst team. (Comparison point: five points is what separates No. 3 Denver from No. 20 Dallas). If you're looking for further lowlights, consider their appalling 48.5 team true shooting percentage -- basically, everybody shoots like Rajon Rondo, Terrence Williams or Sebastian Telfair.

On defense, however, they have some competition. Sacramento and New Jersey both stand just one point ahead of them; while it would require some pretty severe results to pass them over the course of just three Charlotte games and two apiece for the Kings and Nets, it's not beyond the realm of possibility.

And finally, there's this: at least Dallas had Derek Harper. Harper finished with a respectable 15.9 PER. And at least the 1972-73 Sixers had Fred Carter, as well as two other players who finished with a PER above the league average.

The Bobcats? You can make a credible argument that not one player on their roster would start for most teams.

Most notably, they're threatening to not have a single player with a PER above the league average of 15.00. Thanks to a late charge, rookie Kemba Walker has pushed his mark up to 15.28, which for the moment has him dangling over the precipice of respectability. He has three games not to screw it up.

The next closest Bobcat is Derrick Brown at 14.41. (If you're reading this, you're probably a big fan. But probably not so big that you know who Derrick Brown is, or what he looks like, or where he went to school. NBA players do not come more obscure than Derrick Brown).

Surprisingly, the Bobcats actually have a lot of halfway-decent, rotation-caliber players. Walker, Brown, D.J. Augustin, Corey Maggette, Byron Mullens, Gerald Henderson and Bismack Biyombo all are good enough to crack virtually any team's top nine. So was Boris Diaw, as he's proven in San Antonio. And D.J. White and Reggie Williams aren't terrible, either.

What ails the Cats more than anything, it seems, is their complete and total lack of star power, particularly on offense. The hope was that Tyrus Thomas could be something of a go-to guy, but he's been shockingly awful and frequently miscast as a small forward.

You can go through the roster with similar disappointments. The hope was that Augustin could build on his strong finish to last season, but he's proven to be no more than a decent backup. The hope was that Maggette could provide offense, but he's been injured half the year (not a surprise) and his effectiveness has declined markedly when he's played (a bit more of a surprise). The hope was that Diaw would lay off the brie and arrive in shape … actually, that was hopeless from the start.

Unfortunately, most of what can go wrong has. But even if everything went right, this team was doomed to be terrible because of the moves of the past five seasons. From Larry Brown's arrival up until the middle of last season, virtually every Charlotte move ended up torching the 2011-12 roster.

While trading Tyson Chandler for Erick Dampier remains the piece de resistance (in a "salary dump," mind you, that saved no money), they've also had multiple draft tragedies highlighted by Alexis Ajinca and Adam Morrison, dealt a lottery pick in 2007 and had no first-rounders in 2009 or 2010.

And, of course, they've had no luck with stars. Gerald Wallace was the closest thing they've had to one, and the Bobcats rightly cashed in his stock at the trade deadline a year ago.

In other words, it isn't easy being this bad, which explains why only a couple of teams in the past seven decades can rival Charlotte's awfulness. And it may get worse before it gets better -- thanks to the "let's be average now rather than good later" mindset of the Brown era, the Bobcats still owe the Bulls a future first that becomes completely unprotected in 2016.

In the meantime, they still have three games to avoid the history books. As you might imagine, they'll be heavy underdogs in all three.

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 24, 2012, 12:43:10 PM
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DJ Tet - Hollinger dissects the Bobcats, truly painful to read. Can't imagine how bad it was to watch

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Kemba Walker and the Bobcats have won just seven games this season.
Worst. Team. Ever.

With three games left, the Charlotte Bobcats are careening toward infamy. Losers of 20 straight, they stand at 7-56, and if they don't win one of their final three contests, their 7-59 mark would be the worst winning percentage in NBA history. Although it would not be the fewest wins in pro basketball history -- the Providence Steamrollers of the old BAA, featuring jump shot inventor Kenny Sailors, went 6-42 in 1947-48 -- by virtually any other standard this team has a strong claim on the title of worst ever.

Consider Sunday night, for instance, when the Bobcats lost to Sacramento … at home … by 26. Do you know how bad you have to be to get blown out at home by the Kings? Sacramento hadn't won a game by 26 points all season, had won one road game since the All-Star break and had only four double-digit wins in its previous 63 outings. My Power Rankings rate the Kings the league's fourth worst team, and they still completely outclassed the Cats.

Charlotte has three more chances to get a win, with the best hope seeming to be Monday's road game in Washington. Emphasis on "seeming" -- the Wizards have actually been a real basketball team for the past month or so, winning five of their past seven (including a 28-point romp in Charlotte) and all but eliminating Milwaukee with an upset win on Wednesday.

The other two games are in Orlando on Wednesday and the finale at home against the Knicks on Thursday. If Charlotte loses on Wednesday it'll probably play the Knicks' backups on Thursday -- an Orlando win eliminates New York's shot at the No. 6 seed -- and its best shot at the elusive eighth win may come against Jerome Jordan, Toney Douglas and the rest of the Knicks' bench.

In the meantime, let's look a little closer at the many levels of Charlotte's awfulness, starting with its staggeringly awful scoring margin.

The Bobcats have been outscored by 13.70 points per game this season; that's more than double the margin of the next worst team, Cleveland (-6.73). Of late they've redoubled their efforts; during the current 20-game losing streak, 14 of the defeats have been by double figures and an astounding nine have been by 20 points or more.

Amazingly, this isn't the worst scoring margin in NBA history, and it represents Charlotte's best argument for not being the worst team ever. The 1992-93 Mavericks went 11-71 and were outscored by 14.68 points per game; the only way the Bobcats can equal that is if they lose by a combined 106 points over the final three games. While I wouldn't put this past them, this is a tall order even for lowly Charlotte.

Charlotte is set to join that Mavs team in another category of awfulness: The Bobcats are on pace to finish last in both offensive and defensive efficiency. (The 1986-87 Clippers also managed this; in any debate about bad teams, you must never overlook the Clippers). Charlotte is virtually assured of finishing last in offense, with a mouth-dropping 92.4 mark that is five points worse than the next worst team. (Comparison point: five points is what separates No. 3 Denver from No. 20 Dallas). If you're looking for further lowlights, consider their appalling 48.5 team true shooting percentage -- basically, everybody shoots like Rajon Rondo, Terrence Williams or Sebastian Telfair.

On defense, however, they have some competition. Sacramento and New Jersey both stand just one point ahead of them; while it would require some pretty severe results to pass them over the course of just three Charlotte games and two apiece for the Kings and Nets, it's not beyond the realm of possibility.

And finally, there's this: at least Dallas had Derek Harper. Harper finished with a respectable 15.9 PER. And at least the 1972-73 Sixers had Fred Carter, as well as two other players who finished with a PER above the league average.

The Bobcats? You can make a credible argument that not one player on their roster would start for most teams.

Most notably, they're threatening to not have a single player with a PER above the league average of 15.00. Thanks to a late charge, rookie Kemba Walker has pushed his mark up to 15.28, which for the moment has him dangling over the precipice of respectability. He has three games not to screw it up.

The next closest Bobcat is Derrick Brown at 14.41. (If you're reading this, you're probably a big fan. But probably not so big that you know who Derrick Brown is, or what he looks like, or where he went to school. NBA players do not come more obscure than Derrick Brown).

Surprisingly, the Bobcats actually have a lot of halfway-decent, rotation-caliber players. Walker, Brown, D.J. Augustin, Corey Maggette, Byron Mullens, Gerald Henderson and Bismack Biyombo all are good enough to crack virtually any team's top nine. So was Boris Diaw, as he's proven in San Antonio. And D.J. White and Reggie Williams aren't terrible, either.

What ails the Cats more than anything, it seems, is their complete and total lack of star power, particularly on offense. The hope was that Tyrus Thomas could be something of a go-to guy, but he's been shockingly awful and frequently miscast as a small forward.

You can go through the roster with similar disappointments. The hope was that Augustin could build on his strong finish to last season, but he's proven to be no more than a decent backup. The hope was that Maggette could provide offense, but he's been injured half the year (not a surprise) and his effectiveness has declined markedly when he's played (a bit more of a surprise). The hope was that Diaw would lay off the brie and arrive in shape … actually, that was hopeless from the start.

Unfortunately, most of what can go wrong has. But even if everything went right, this team was doomed to be terrible because of the moves of the past five seasons. From Larry Brown's arrival up until the middle of last season, virtually every Charlotte move ended up torching the 2011-12 roster.

While trading Tyson Chandler for Erick Dampier remains the piece de resistance (in a "salary dump," mind you, that saved no money), they've also had multiple draft tragedies highlighted by Alexis Ajinca and Adam Morrison, dealt a lottery pick in 2007 and had no first-rounders in 2009 or 2010.

And, of course, they've had no luck with stars. Gerald Wallace was the closest thing they've had to one, and the Bobcats rightly cashed in his stock at the trade deadline a year ago.

In other words, it isn't easy being this bad, which explains why only a couple of teams in the past seven decades can rival Charlotte's awfulness. And it may get worse before it gets better -- thanks to the "let's be average now rather than good later" mindset of the Brown era, the Bobcats still owe the Bulls a future first that becomes completely unprotected in 2016.

In the meantime, they still have three games to avoid the history books. As you might imagine, they'll be heavy underdogs in all three.

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It's going to be a sad day if the Bobcats don't even get the 1st overall pick after all this, and that has been happening more often than not the past few years (the worst team doesn't end up drawing the 1st pick)
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Just how bad are the Bobcats?
Charlotte needs a win to avoid the history books (PER Diem: April 23, 2012)
Updated: April 23, 2012, 11:44 AM ET
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Kemba Walker and the Bobcats have won just seven games this season.
Worst. Team. Ever.

With three games left, the Charlotte Bobcats are careening toward infamy. Losers of 20 straight, they stand at 7-56, and if they don't win one of their final three contests, their 7-59 mark would be the worst winning percentage in NBA history. Although it would not be the fewest wins in pro basketball history -- the Providence Steamrollers of the old BAA, featuring jump shot inventor Kenny Sailors, went 6-42 in 1947-48 -- by virtually any other standard this team has a strong claim on the title of worst ever.

Consider Sunday night, for instance, when the Bobcats lost to Sacramento … at home … by 26. Do you know how bad you have to be to get blown out at home by the Kings? Sacramento hadn't won a game by 26 points all season, had won one road game since the All-Star break and had only four double-digit wins in its previous 63 outings. My Power Rankings rate the Kings the league's fourth worst team, and they still completely outclassed the Cats.

Charlotte has three more chances to get a win, with the best hope seeming to be Monday's road game in Washington. Emphasis on "seeming" -- the Wizards have actually been a real basketball team for the past month or so, winning five of their past seven (including a 28-point romp in Charlotte) and all but eliminating Milwaukee with an upset win on Wednesday.

The other two games are in Orlando on Wednesday and the finale at home against the Knicks on Thursday. If Charlotte loses on Wednesday it'll probably play the Knicks' backups on Thursday -- an Orlando win eliminates New York's shot at the No. 6 seed -- and its best shot at the elusive eighth win may come against Jerome Jordan, Toney Douglas and the rest of the Knicks' bench.

In the meantime, let's look a little closer at the many levels of Charlotte's awfulness, starting with its staggeringly awful scoring margin.

The Bobcats have been outscored by 13.70 points per game this season; that's more than double the margin of the next worst team, Cleveland (-6.73). Of late they've redoubled their efforts; during the current 20-game losing streak, 14 of the defeats have been by double figures and an astounding nine have been by 20 points or more.

Amazingly, this isn't the worst scoring margin in NBA history, and it represents Charlotte's best argument for not being the worst team ever. The 1992-93 Mavericks went 11-71 and were outscored by 14.68 points per game; the only way the Bobcats can equal that is if they lose by a combined 106 points over the final three games. While I wouldn't put this past them, this is a tall order even for lowly Charlotte.

Charlotte is set to join that Mavs team in another category of awfulness: The Bobcats are on pace to finish last in both offensive and defensive efficiency. (The 1986-87 Clippers also managed this; in any debate about bad teams, you must never overlook the Clippers). Charlotte is virtually assured of finishing last in offense, with a mouth-dropping 92.4 mark that is five points worse than the next worst team. (Comparison point: five points is what separates No. 3 Denver from No. 20 Dallas). If you're looking for further lowlights, consider their appalling 48.5 team true shooting percentage -- basically, everybody shoots like Rajon Rondo, Terrence Williams or Sebastian Telfair.

On defense, however, they have some competition. Sacramento and New Jersey both stand just one point ahead of them; while it would require some pretty severe results to pass them over the course of just three Charlotte games and two apiece for the Kings and Nets, it's not beyond the realm of possibility.

And finally, there's this: at least Dallas had Derek Harper. Harper finished with a respectable 15.9 PER. And at least the 1972-73 Sixers had Fred Carter, as well as two other players who finished with a PER above the league average.

The Bobcats? You can make a credible argument that not one player on their roster would start for most teams.

Most notably, they're threatening to not have a single player with a PER above the league average of 15.00. Thanks to a late charge, rookie Kemba Walker has pushed his mark up to 15.28, which for the moment has him dangling over the precipice of respectability. He has three games not to screw it up.

The next closest Bobcat is Derrick Brown at 14.41. (If you're reading this, you're probably a big fan. But probably not so big that you know who Derrick Brown is, or what he looks like, or where he went to school. NBA players do not come more obscure than Derrick Brown).

Surprisingly, the Bobcats actually have a lot of halfway-decent, rotation-caliber players. Walker, Brown, D.J. Augustin, Corey Maggette, Byron Mullens, Gerald Henderson and Bismack Biyombo all are good enough to crack virtually any team's top nine. So was Boris Diaw, as he's proven in San Antonio. And D.J. White and Reggie Williams aren't terrible, either.

What ails the Cats more than anything, it seems, is their complete and total lack of star power, particularly on offense. The hope was that Tyrus Thomas could be something of a go-to guy, but he's been shockingly awful and frequently miscast as a small forward.

You can go through the roster with similar disappointments. The hope was that Augustin could build on his strong finish to last season, but he's proven to be no more than a decent backup. The hope was that Maggette could provide offense, but he's been injured half the year (not a surprise) and his effectiveness has declined markedly when he's played (a bit more of a surprise). The hope was that Diaw would lay off the brie and arrive in shape … actually, that was hopeless from the start.

Unfortunately, most of what can go wrong has. But even if everything went right, this team was doomed to be terrible because of the moves of the past five seasons. From Larry Brown's arrival up until the middle of last season, virtually every Charlotte move ended up torching the 2011-12 roster.

While trading Tyson Chandler for Erick Dampier remains the piece de resistance (in a "salary dump," mind you, that saved no money), they've also had multiple draft tragedies highlighted by Alexis Ajinca and Adam Morrison, dealt a lottery pick in 2007 and had no first-rounders in 2009 or 2010.

And, of course, they've had no luck with stars. Gerald Wallace was the closest thing they've had to one, and the Bobcats rightly cashed in his stock at the trade deadline a year ago.

In other words, it isn't easy being this bad, which explains why only a couple of teams in the past seven decades can rival Charlotte's awfulness. And it may get worse before it gets better -- thanks to the "let's be average now rather than good later" mindset of the Brown era, the Bobcats still owe the Bulls a future first that becomes completely unprotected in 2016.

In the meantime, they still have three games to avoid the history books. As you might imagine, they'll be heavy underdogs in all three.

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Thanks for the article.  I used to begrudge fans as a kid that left early.  Now I begrudge no one who spends their money to watch these games.  If you want to leave more power to you.

No one should have to sit through this shit.  During the Kings game we left at the end of the 3rd to go have some dinner.  A lot of people have stopped showing up.

I not only know what Derrick Brown looks like, I know he went to Xavier and was sad when we traded him last year.  Glad we got him back, he's been one of the few bright spots, and the ONLY 2nd round draft pick the Bobcats have ever had that worked out into an NBA player.

edit:  Just a quick look at one of the Bobcats main problems.  The starting PG DJ Augustin has been battling knee and foot problems all year, leading him to miss about 1/3rd of the season and have his worst season shooting as a pro.  That left us with a PG rotation consisting of rookie combo guard Kemba Walker with undrafted rookie Corey Higgins as his backup.  Corey's main claim to fame is that his dad is Bobcats player personnel/VP Rod Higgins.  I call him Nepo, Jr.  He's horrible and wouldn't be on another roster, and he's a combo guard too who can't pass.  That's just the start but seeing how PG is the most important position a lot of our defensive issues start there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 24, 2012, 05:41:02 PM
Don't fuck with Fisher when the game is on the line. dayumm
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 24, 2012, 05:50:06 PM
Billy Hunter just can't help it that his DNA somehow produces people perfect for handling NBPA business!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 24, 2012, 09:34:04 PM
Seven games? meh

In unrelated news, I'm changing my name to Metta Has Sex a Lot
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 24, 2012, 09:46:34 PM
sadly ronartest.com is down so we can't see his no-doubt amazing statement about it. He has promised a podcast later though!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 25, 2012, 12:54:53 AM
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There's poetry, and there's the Warriors goaltending on a last-second Marco Belinelli layup to lose to the 21-44 Hornets.

:rofl

I'm actually going to check this out on LP now to see just how blatant it was
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 25, 2012, 01:22:05 AM
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In an odd scene, many Warriors fans were actually cheering for the Hornets.

Golden State has to finish in the bottom seven of the league after the draft lottery to keep its protected first-round pick, acquired by Utah in a previous trade. The Warriors are eighth-worst in the league entering Thursday night's season finale at home against San Antonio.

But yeah, the Bobcats are tanking  ::)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 25, 2012, 01:39:44 AM
Dwight Howard redeemed, JJ was never my favorite dookie and now I know he's just a shithead.  Won't be fretting when he gets booed in Charlotte anymore, bitter little shit.  Way to nut in the tournament EVERY FUCKING YEAR JJ you fucking douche.

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When I ask Tyler about his worst personal moment, his expression turns bitter for the first and only time all day. It was during the Super Fans era, he says, when a small group walked by the court while the Orlando Magic were stretching. J.J. Redick saw them in their wigs and overalls and other paraphernalia.3

"You guys look ridiculous," he said. Once you meet Tyler and see the pride he takes in his identity as a Bobcats fan, this remark seems almost unimaginably cruel. His natural enthusiasm is gone while he tells the story. But then he gets to the part where Dwight Howard and a couple other members of the Magic came to their defense by saying, "you look ridiculous, J.J. Those are basketball fans," and the smile is back.


http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7849198/the-scene-charlotte-bobcats-flirt-worst-record-nba-history
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: pilonv1 on April 25, 2012, 05:57:02 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 25, 2012, 12:54:53 AM
Attn: pilonv1

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There's poetry, and there's the Warriors goaltending on a last-second Marco Belinelli layup to lose to the 21-44 Hornets.

:rofl

I'm actually going to check this out on LP now to see just how blatant it was

Wasn't that bad honestly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZncDuitzOLU

The shots before were dumber.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2012, 03:07:55 PM
Game on the night of this final regular season. New York at Charlotte on TNT.

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This season's Charlotte team is 7-57, has lost 21 straight and needs to defeat the Magic Wednesday or the Knicks on Thursday to avoid going into the record books as the owner of the league's worst-ever winning percentage. The 1972-73 Philadelphia 76ers hold the mark at .110, going 9-73 in that full season, but a 7-59 finish in this strike-shortened season would leave the Bobcats at .106.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 25, 2012, 03:10:09 PM
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"It's one thing for me to get fired, but I have four or five assistants and they're out there not able to work," said the 71-year-old Brown, who was named SMU coach this week. "And it was the worst. And when your hero fires you... I just couldn't believe it. You know I love the guy, think he's brilliant, but he's around people who don't have a clue. And they won't challenge him. And the more you challenge him, the more you get from him.

"I was sick about it. I haven't spoken to him since. I don't like seeing what's going on."

In 2009-10, Brown guided the Bobcats to a 44-38 record and their only playoff appearance. After a slow start the next season, Jordan replaced Brown with Paul Silas. That team finished 34-48.

"I'm sick about it because we made the playoffs the first time they ever made the playoffs. We got rid of Raymond Felton without getting anything back -- one of the greatest kids I ever coached in my life. We got rid of Tyson Chandler who only played 50 games or so for us."

Jordan has been blasted for some of his personnel moves over the years, infamously drafting high schooler Kwame Brown No. 1 when he was in the Washington Wizards' front office.

Brown says it's not a lack of knowledge of the game that hurts Jordan.

"When I was able to visit with him and pick his brain, he knows, but he's got people around him that just make you sick," Brown said to Patrick. "And it was not comfortable. It was almost like there were spies wondering what you were doing and getting back to him. I should have spent more time face to face with Michael because I do see the passion. I think he's hurt right now.

"We all make bad decisions. This draft thing is not a perfect science, but when I talk to him about players, you know strengths and weaknesses, what we need to do to be successful, he's right on point. But he has all these other people that will get in the way, and you can't do it like that."
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7853845/larry-brown-wanted-more-michael-jordan-time-charlotte-bobcats

I tend to get the impression Jordan simply doesn't do his homework, not that he's surrounded by idiots; obviously both can be true. Basically the basketball Matt Millen
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2012, 03:14:18 PM
Just because he's Jordan doesn't mean he's anymore likely to coach a winner, gm a winner, or own a winner. Being a great player has little in relation to job skills to those other things.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 25, 2012, 03:19:06 PM
Larry Brown quit on the team, anything else is revisionist history from Larry Brown.  That said, he's a great coach with a shitty track record and I pretty much got exactly what I expected when we hired him.  A few good years, a playoff run, and ultimately him leaving/getting fired in an ugly manner.  That's all a reflection on Brown and not the owner, it's been his MO for decades.

The final game might be interesting, there is a group of Hornets fans who came to one game earlier this year and are planning on coming to that game as well.  Will be interesting to see if their chants can be heard on the national tv broadcast or if there is any mention of it.  'We want our name back.  Charlotte Hornets' etc etc.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 25, 2012, 03:21:32 PM
You're right Stoney, and there is plenty of evidence for that (again, Matt Millen). I do think he generally understands the game, but that doesn't mean he can make good personnel decisions. I can't imagine him in the film room or at college games scouting players.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 25, 2012, 03:28:04 PM
Jordan wasn't the only one who would have taken Kwame #1, he was a consensus #1 pick that year.  He also wasn't the only person high on Adam Morrison (hi Bill Simmons.)

A lot of revisionist history there.  Biggest mistake the Bobcats made in the draft came before Jordan was around, when we won extra games while other teams were tanking and blew our chance to get Paul or Deron Williams.  And then, we were still offered the chance to trade up one spot for Paul by giving up #5 and #13 (Felton and May) but decided not to do it.

As much as I liked Paul in college, I thought Felton would be a star as well.  At the time I didn't think moving up one spot was in our best interest, that said I was pissed when we drafted May.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 25, 2012, 03:42:37 PM
Quote from: DJ_Tet on April 25, 2012, 03:28:04 PM
Jordan wasn't the only one who would have taken Kwame #1, he was a consensus #1 pick that year.  He also wasn't the only person high on Adam Morrison (hi Bill Simmons.)

A lot of revisionist history there.  Biggest mistake the Bobcats made in the draft came before Jordan was around, when we won extra games while other teams were tanking and blew our chance to get Paul or Deron Williams.  And then, we were still offered the chance to trade up one spot for Paul by giving up #5 and #13 (Felton and May) but decided not to do it.

As much as I liked Paul in college, I thought Felton would be a star as well.  At the time I didn't think moving up one spot was in our best interest, that said I was pissed when we drafted May.

Yea it's hard to fault that pick. Looking back at 2001 scouts were big on more than a few HS and international players who didn't pan out. Still, I think Brown could have been somewhat decent if he had been developed more effective. Look at Andrew Bynum; if he wasn't with the Lakers or another organization who put the work in to develop him, he'd probably be a bust by now too.

So while I give Jordan slack there, I can't give him any for Morrison. He didn't play a minute of defense in college and there was debate on whether he could create his own shot against bigger/more athletic teams. Gonzaga had a pretty average schedule during his junior year iirc. Indiana kind of exposed him in the tournament, and while he played well in his final game he didn't take over.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 25, 2012, 03:45:50 PM
I wasn't crazy about the Morrison pick either but the other main consideration was Brandon Roy who already retired cause of the knees that caused him to fall in the draft.  That draft was pretty shitty.

Morrison actually had a few decent games in his rookie year, went off for 30 in a win in San Antonio and had a few other games where he scored a ton.  His main downfall besides smoking, being diabetic and not giving a shit about his health, was that he blew out his knee in the preseason of his second year.  Robbed him of any lateral quickness and made him into a spot shooter.  He lost his confidence and that was that.


edit:  Kwame was actually very serviceable last year for the Bobcats, I was sad we didn't keep him around.  He chased the money to be a back up in Golden State, can't fault him but he got injured and will never see a $7 mil contract again.  He could have played a TON of minutes in Charlotte this year, he should have stayed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 25, 2012, 03:47:59 PM
Quote from: DJ_Tet on April 25, 2012, 03:45:50 PM
I wasn't crazy about the Morrison pick either but the other main consideration was Brandon Roy who already retired cause of the knees that caused him to fall in the draft.  That draft was pretty shitty.

Morrison actually had a few decent games in his rookie year, went off for 30 in a win in San Antonio and had a few other games where he scored a ton.  His main downfall besides smoking, being diabetic and not giving a shit about his health, was that he blew out his knee in the preseason of his second year.  Robbed him of any lateral quickness and made him into a spot shooter.  He lost his confidence and that was that.


edit:  Kwame was actually very serviceable last year for the Bobcats, I was sad we didn't keep him around.  He chased the money to be a back up in Golden State, can't fault him but he got injured and will never see a $7 mil contract again.  He could have played a TON of minutes in Charlotte this year, he should have stayed.

While I never thought Morrison would be good, I would have NEVER guessed JJ Reddick would have a significantly better NBA career than him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 25, 2012, 03:54:43 PM
I wouldn't have either.  As a Duke fan I absolutely did NOT want JJ on my team.  I knew he would have a decent career as a backup but he's exceeded my expectations.

Here's the 2006 draft:

3: Morrison
4: Tyrus Thomas  :lol
5: Sheldon Williams  :lol
6: Roy
7: Randy Foye :lol
8: Rudy Gay
9 Patrick O'Bryant  :lol :lol :lol
10: Mohamed Sene  :lol :lol :lol
11: JJ Redick
12: Hilton Armstrong  :lol :lol :lol
13: Thabo Sefalosha


Wow that's a shitty draft.  With the exception of Roy, Gay, Redick, Thomas, Sefalosha and Foye, Morrison was still the best damn player. 


Best player was Rondo at 21, but you can't really count that as a 'miss' on Jordan.  There will always be guys that low that exceed expectations.  You can only really compare guys drafted right around the #3 pick, top two were Aldridge and Bargnini.  So if it wasn't Jordan busting on Morrison it would have been someone else.  Barkley said he advised Jordan to take Roy, and I know Roy was considered, but at the time we still had high hopes for Felton and were concerned with Roy's knees.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2012, 08:04:43 PM
lulz. I just realized I went through the entire day thinking it was thursday. That bobcats game is tomorrow.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 25, 2012, 09:50:38 PM
They lost by single digits tonight, pretty amazing stuff.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: etiolate on April 25, 2012, 09:56:42 PM
Lakers/Kings tomorrow. I think there will be some protests planned regarding the Magoofs. Curious to see if any Sell the Team chants make it onto the air or if it just slides into Beat LA chants as usual.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 26, 2012, 06:25:09 PM
Any Laker or Celtic fan could watch their team win a title, I'm about to go watch HISTORY tonight fellas.


 :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: pilonv1 on April 26, 2012, 09:12:33 PM
some ridiculous tanking going on today
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: etiolate on April 26, 2012, 09:14:14 PM
The Kings could follow to 7th spot in the draft if they win tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 26, 2012, 10:06:21 PM
I hope they do, for the same reason I don't want the Bobcats to get a high pick (already went through this with DJ Tet. Sorry but that's still how I feel). They just don't deserve it. Any great player who goes either of those places is going to basically waste 4-5 years of their career.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: etiolate on April 26, 2012, 11:05:34 PM
Lakers trying to screw the Kings draft luck over by sending out their Bobcats squad.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 26, 2012, 11:15:14 PM
Another test of Kobe's maturity and veteran leadership tonight - will he kill Mike Brown by getting injured in his 42nd minute of play while taking 35 shots in an attempt to beat out Durant for the scoring title? :o
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: pilonv1 on April 26, 2012, 11:17:08 PM
Quote from: etiolate on April 26, 2012, 09:14:14 PM
The Kings could follow to 7th spot in the draft if they win tonight.

The lowest they can go is 6th. If the Warriors win they're tied for 7th with Toronto, Kings would be tied with Nets for 5th if they win

Bobcats  7-59
Wizards 20-44
Hornets 21-45
Cavs 21-45
Kings 22-44
Nets 22-44
Raptors 23-43
Warriors 23-43 (if they lose)

If the Kings lose they'll be tied 3rd with the Hornets and Cavs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 26, 2012, 11:18:43 PM
I just realized: JaVale McGee in the playoffs, whoo hoo

Fire up your youtubes gentlemen

Also, good night and good luck to Brad Miller, one of the most entertaining centers I've seen. Peace out and kill some motherfuckin' deer homeboy
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: pilonv1 on April 26, 2012, 11:25:31 PM
You can enjoy watching his 2010s version then - Byron Mullens :teehee
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 26, 2012, 11:29:11 PM
Nope, apparently Kobe sat out. Props where they're due!

Celtics finish 24-10 since the All-Star break. Not many teams are categorically playing better!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 26, 2012, 11:43:50 PM
Al Horford out for the whole of round 1, Pachulia in a walking boot unf unf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Mandark on April 27, 2012, 12:08:13 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 26, 2012, 11:29:11 PM
Celtics finish 24-10 since the All-Star break. Not many teams are categorically playing better!

Besides the Wizards. :smug
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Beezy on April 27, 2012, 12:27:20 AM
https://twitter.com/#!/JabarieD/status/195346018886365184

:punch Knicks :punch
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 27, 2012, 12:32:58 AM
yeah, uh, see you in the Conf Finals there beezy :teehee
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 27, 2012, 12:42:42 AM
So, pretty cruddy regular season, as expected. First month was a write-off with all the weird line-ups, no practices, the occasional out of shape player, everyone getting used to back-to-back-to-backs on the road etc...and the last 2-3 weeks have been Tankapalooza vs Restzilla.

But let's accentuate the positive! What were your favorite games of the regular season (so I can go back and check them out on LP! :lol)? I think I'm gonna have to go with the Minnesota-OKC 2OT thrilla.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: pilonv1 on April 27, 2012, 01:33:18 AM
tank stage 1 successful
stage 2 11am tomorrow
final stage draft lottery
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: etiolate on April 27, 2012, 01:37:23 AM
Quote from: pilonv1 on April 26, 2012, 11:17:08 PM
Quote from: etiolate on April 26, 2012, 09:14:14 PM
The Kings could follow to 7th spot in the draft if they win tonight.

The lowest they can go is 6th. If the Warriors win they're tied for 7th with Toronto, Kings would be tied with Nets for 5th if they win

Bobcats  7-59
Wizards 20-44
Hornets 21-45
Cavs 21-45
Kings 22-44
Nets 22-44
Raptors 23-43
Warriors 23-43 (if they lose)

If the Kings lose they'll be tied 3rd with the Hornets and Cavs.

Unfortunately, the Kings really needed one of the defensive guys that will go top 4.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Will the Bobcats win again this season?)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 27, 2012, 01:40:07 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 26, 2012, 10:06:21 PM
I hope they do, for the same reason I don't want the Bobcats to get a high pick (already went through this with DJ Tet. Sorry but that's still how I feel). They just don't deserve it. Any great player who goes either of those places is going to basically waste 4-5 years of their career.

Sorry but that's still bullshit.

Did you feel that way when LeBron went to Cleveland?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: pilonv1 on April 27, 2012, 01:46:07 AM
Reke + Kings pick to the Wizards for #2.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 27, 2012, 01:50:19 AM
They don't 'deserve' it  :lol

Fucking insular league.  If we don't 'deserve' it maybe they should just contract back to 8 franchises.  Sorry but that shit pisses me off.  Without fans like me the NBA would have some serious fucking problems.  And you wouldn't have 15 games to watch every night on your precious League Pass.

We had the worst winning percentage of all time.  We didn't openly tank.  We led the league in attendance for a decade and they still ripped our team away.

We fucking deserve something.


edit:  Sacramento has hard-core fans that support a shitty franchise for a long time as well.  But no, they don't 'deserve' a good pick.  Just put Davis on the Lakers or Celtics and be done with it  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: etiolate on April 27, 2012, 01:57:56 AM
Quote from: pilonv1 on April 27, 2012, 01:46:07 AM
Reke + Kings pick to the Wizards for #2.

A Wall/Evans backcourt :lol

I would watch for the hilarity.

So the Kings actually finished with a better winning percentage than they had last year or the two years before that, which is surprising considering all the fuckups in the past year. They ended up 16-17 at home and otherwise awful on the road.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 27, 2012, 02:05:13 AM
Quote from: DJ_Tet on April 27, 2012, 01:40:07 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 26, 2012, 10:06:21 PM
I hope they do, for the same reason I don't want the Bobcats to get a high pick (already went through this with DJ Tet. Sorry but that's still how I feel). They just don't deserve it. Any great player who goes either of those places is going to basically waste 4-5 years of their career.

Sorry but that's still bullshit.

Did you feel that way when LeBron went to Cleveland?

Cleveland made more of an effort to keep some quality players around over the years than the Bobcats have done.

It has nothing to do with the loyalty of the fans, or what they deserve. By that token, sure, the Bobcats and the Kings would deserve great picks every year (but so would the Lakers and the Knicks!)

 It's about what the organization will do to the player. I don't want to see LeBron going to Cleveland or Blake Griffin on the Clippers or Davis going to the Bobcats - I want them on teams that can cultivate their talent to the fullest - the Texas teams, for instance.  The Bobcats haven't shown they can do that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: etiolate on April 27, 2012, 02:12:00 AM
Losing organizations look bad because of the superstar system. If you let potential superstars go where they please straight out of college, you might as well kill off the league.  The horrible tanking is a product of the league's issues as a whole. If assembling a lot of good talent with good draft picks and good FA signings was a legit way to win a title then you wouldn't have a quarter of the league tanking every year. There is only two ways to build a contender. Win the lottery or be a big market that has players force their way to you. It's fucked up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 27, 2012, 02:26:45 AM
Winning the lottery has historically been proven to be a terrible strategy, actually. Everyone is high on it right now because of OKC but historically, it doesn't work out very well.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 27, 2012, 02:28:52 AM
I could go on about this stuff all day but I'd just be quoting True Hoop's excellent series of posts on fixing tanking and the draft really.

It also occurs to me that Euro soccer at least has no draft and yet has become the biggest sport in the world.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Mandark on April 27, 2012, 02:31:49 AM
As a soccer and basketball fan, I can't but laugh when people complain about NBA players having too much leverage over where they play.

Try a league with no draft, no salary cap, a no-trade clause for every player, and contracts that are renegotiated from scratch whenever a player moves.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 27, 2012, 02:36:05 AM
Indeed.

Would also love to hear etiolate tell me whether Dallas last year was a lottery winner, or a big market team that players forced their way to. I mean, I could go back through the past decade of 'contenders' but I don't think I even have to go very far to utterly refute that. Nobody was forcing their way to the Pistons either. Boston traded for KG and Allen and drafted Rondo very low. Kobe was drafted at #7 or something, Pau they traded for and Bynum was drafted low. Good organizations, all.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Mandark on April 27, 2012, 03:04:04 AM
It's not as if there's a strict dichotomy between the teams players flock to and the teams they leave, either.  Orlando might lose both Shaq and Dwight, but they got T-Mac and Grant Hill when both were blue chip free agents.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 27, 2012, 03:11:04 AM
The Spurs year-in, year-out, fill out their roster with guys I've never heard of and somehow turn them into highly efficient and productive players (or create the illusion of doing so, by putting them in a role that fits the talents they always had....). Teams like the Bobcats and the Kings take high draft picks and trade for expensive players and turn them into shit, again and again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 27, 2012, 03:15:57 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 27, 2012, 02:05:13 AM
Quote from: DJ_Tet on April 27, 2012, 01:40:07 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 26, 2012, 10:06:21 PM
I hope they do, for the same reason I don't want the Bobcats to get a high pick (already went through this with DJ Tet. Sorry but that's still how I feel). They just don't deserve it. Any great player who goes either of those places is going to basically waste 4-5 years of their career.

Sorry but that's still bullshit.

Did you feel that way when LeBron went to Cleveland?

Cleveland made more of an effort to keep some quality players around over the years than the Bobcats have done.

It has nothing to do with the loyalty of the fans, or what they deserve. By that token, sure, the Bobcats and the Kings would deserve great picks every year (but so would the Lakers and the Knicks!)

 It's about what the organization will do to the player. I don't want to see LeBron going to Cleveland or Blake Griffin on the Clippers or Davis going to the Bobcats - I want them on teams that can cultivate their talent to the fullest - the Texas teams, for instance.  The Bobcats haven't shown they can do that.

Before LeBron Cleveland was a wasteland of talent for nearly a decade.  You talk about the Spurs and the Rockets, and those two franchises are to be commended.  But where would the Spurs have been without getting Duncan in the lottery?  Would they have been able to keep Ginobli and Parker?  Does it not take a little luck to get players like that deep in the draft?

What about DeJuan Blair?  That guy was considered a borderline lottery pick but fell to the second round.  Convenient.

You talk about the Rockets, but they missed the playoffs this year.  So much for nothing.  And like we've been over before, you discount the fact that they too got a franchise center at the top of the draft.

None of these teams were built of a strong farm system like you can do with baseball, every team you mention won the lottery at some point or another.  Bobcats have never had the #1 pick. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 27, 2012, 03:19:12 AM
Furthermore, where would Dallas be if Milwaukee hadn't been stupid enough to trade Nowitzki for Robert Tractor Traylor?

Every franchise needs a little luck, you may call it savvy but I think it takes some luck too.  You can't just say that because the Bobcats had shitty management during their inception that they are 'undeserving' of Davis. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 27, 2012, 03:21:51 AM
Are we not talking about the worst team in the entire history of the National Basketball Association here?  By what stretch of the imagination is that 'deserving' of anything? *

*other than the suffering of the fans, which I've already stated my position on. You deserve a break, but so do the fans of the Knicks and the Lakers and everybody else who turns up and drops cash on tickets.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 27, 2012, 03:25:55 AM
This isn't soccer.  In the NFL and MLB if you're the worst team you get the #1 pick, no other argument needed.  The Bobcats are potentially going to suffer the sins of teams tanking in the early 80's.


 :lol @ the Lakers deserving a break.  Only a delusional NBA fan would think the Lakers haven't had enough breaks over the last 30 years.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 27, 2012, 03:26:38 AM
If the Bobcats had developed or traded for a single player this year who was even AVERAGE by league standards...maybe we could say they just need some luck. But they don't. They need a SHIT-TON OF LUCK to get MULTIPLE good draft picks, and then they need to somehow NOT FUCK IT UP. Which they keep doing!  And then, they need to BUILD ON IT by both developing those picks and trading or signing quality players to complement them. That gets them to contender status. Then comes the real luck - winning a ring!

None of that is happening without a better organization, with an actual plan. Not Anthony Davis. That'll just paper over some of the cracks 'til he leaves after his rookie contract.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 27, 2012, 03:28:39 AM
The Bobcats cleared cap space which was the whole plan for the last two years.  There was no reason to fuck that up to obtain a player that would have gotten them what, 5 more wins?  I'll take my chances getting a Tyreke Evans or whomever we can get this summer and next.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 27, 2012, 03:29:26 AM
Quote from: DJ_Tet on April 27, 2012, 03:25:55 AM
This isn't soccer.  In the NFL and MLB if you're the worst team you get the #1 pick, no other argument needed.  The Bobcats are potentially going to suffer the sins of teams tanking in the early 80's.


 :lol @ the Lakers deserving a break.  Only a delusional NBA fan would think the Lakers haven't had enough breaks over the last 30 years.

This isn't soccer ...but it isn't the NFL or the MLB either :lol

That may the worst single example of using someone's argument against them I've ever seen, sorry dude :)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 27, 2012, 03:31:10 AM
Quote from: DJ_Tet on April 27, 2012, 03:28:39 AM
The Bobcats cleared cap space which was the whole plan for the last two years.  There was no reason to fuck that up to obtain a player that would have gotten them what, 5 more wins?  I'll take my chances getting a Tyreke Evans or whomever we can get this summer and next.

Evans is actually a great example of a team wasting years of a player's career, trying to play him at the 2 and PG before finally settling on the 3. The number of different players that were shuffled around those positions as a result is comical, and they made no forward progress while doing it.

I mean, Gregg Popovich would have taken one look at Evans and known what to do with him. Does anyone think he wouldn't be a more productive player for the Spurs than the Kings...?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 27, 2012, 03:35:19 AM
Pop is an amazing, HOF coach.  There aren't 30 of those guys in the league.  Once again, if you want to hold out 5 franchises as the model that's fine, that's basically who have dominated the last 30 years of hoops.  It's an insular league.  By that token then just get rid of the bottom feeders cause they won't be able to sign free agents, and cause Cormacaroni doesn't think they are deserving of top picks.

The Bobcats have only been around 8 years, and yes, they fucked up a lot of shit at the beginning.  They are starting over.  I think they will make progress, even if they don't get the #1 pick.  But it would certainly help.

Davis and Biyombo would be an awesome defensive front line for a long time to come, two of the most talented shot blockers in the league. 


My point about the MLB and NFL was that up until 1985 the worst team in the league was guaranteed at worst the #2 pick in the draft (I think there was a coin flip between the bottom teams in each conference.)  The lottery system was put in place to discourage tanking, which I understand.  But traditionally the worst team gets the best pick, as it still works in the NFL and MLB.

Of course you can go back further and MLB was actually a lot like euro soccer where the teams with the biggest pockets could sign all the talent.  And that led to a shitload of NYY titles.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 27, 2012, 03:42:07 AM
There was a time when Pop was NOT an amazing, HOF coach. And someone took a chance on him because they evaluated his talent and potential highly. Ditto for Thibodeau. In 2007, you could have had Thibodeau coach your team for $100,000, most likely. Organizations. Excellence as a process, not a lucky one-off event. These things matter.

My life would be no poorer if this current Charlotte team ceased to exist, yeah. I'm not opposed to it existing, but I am opposed to this idea that they might deprive another team of a player they won't do jack shit with, most likely. Their sole achievement has been clearing cap space and tanking...which one of us ITT could possibly fail at that?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 27, 2012, 03:49:12 AM
Anthony Davis going to a bad team might be a good thing for him in the long run.  If he goes on a decent team, he might get away with being an offensive liability and never get any better than someone like Joakim Noah.  However, on a bad team, he would be relied upon to put up some points and would be forced to work on his offensive game if he wants to win. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 27, 2012, 03:53:22 AM
No doubt, what matters is what they do with the cap space.  No argument there.  It still had to be done though, they sold high on Gerald Wallace and Stephen Jackson (both of whom have been traded since, for less.)

They got assets for their players, still have another first coming from Portland.  They still owe a 1st to Chicago though for that shitty Tyrus Thomas deal (thanks Larry Brown, you didn't mention that shit trade you were responsible for during your weeklong shitfest against the Bobcats, asshole.)

Your life wouldn't be different if the Bobcats ceased to exist, but what you're accusing us of could be applied to the bottom 15 franchises in the league.  And if all of them had no hope of getting better in terms of getting a high draft pick or free agents, then your precious league gets a lot smaller.  And you have less games to watch.  The league is insular enough as it is, with what, 7 franchises responsible for the majority of championships in the last 30 years?  The NFL and MLB have a much broader championship breadth, but no one seems to notice it in the NBA.

You act like all these players that Charlotte whiffed on deprived the rest of the league of amazing talent.  No.  Adam Morrison, sat on the bench for the vaunted Lakers, Phil Jackson couldn't find a use for him.  Out of the league.  Sean May, out of the league.  Brendan Wright, journeyman.  Emeka Okafor, decent player.  Raymond Felton, potentially worst starting PG in the league.  Stephen Jackson, traded twice since he left the Bobcats.  Gerald Wallace, still a solid player but traded since he left the Bobcats.  Charlotte didn't ruin these players careers, they just didn't work out, shit happens.  It's not all on Charlotte, and it's not all on Charlotte for drafting them. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: etiolate on April 27, 2012, 03:54:33 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 27, 2012, 02:31:49 AM
As a soccer and basketball fan, I can't but laugh when people complain about NBA players having too much leverage over where they play.

Try a league with no draft, no salary cap, a no-trade clause for every player, and contracts that are renegotiated from scratch whenever a player moves.

Just because soccer is worse, it doesn't mean the NBA is okay.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Mandark on April 27, 2012, 03:55:04 AM
Quote from: DJ_Tet on April 27, 2012, 03:15:57 AM
What about DeJuan Blair?  That guy was considered a borderline lottery pick but fell to the second round.  Convenient.

Quote from: DJ_Tet on April 27, 2012, 03:19:12 AM
Furthermore, where would Dallas be if Milwaukee hadn't been stupid enough to trade Nowitzki for Robert Tractor Traylor?

That's not blind luck, that's being smarter (at least regarding a particular decision) than a competitor.  It might feel like a no-brainer, but avoiding dumb mistakes is a skill, and one that I think should be rewarded.

Quote from: DJ_Tet on April 27, 2012, 03:53:22 AM
You act like all these players that Charlotte whiffed on deprived the rest of the league of amazing talent.  No.  Adam Morrison, sat on the bench for the vaunted Lakers, Phil Jackson couldn't find a use for him.  Out of the league.  Sean May, out of the league.  Brendan Wright, journeyman.  Emeka Okafor, decent player.  Raymond Felton, potentially worst starting PG in the league.  Stephen Jackson, traded twice since he left the Bobcats.  Gerald Wallace, still a solid player but traded since he left the Bobcats.  Charlotte didn't ruin these players careers, they just didn't work out, shit happens.  It's not all on Charlotte, and it's not all on Charlotte for drafting them.

Wait, I thought Cormac was the one arguing that the Bobcats have been run like shit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Mandark on April 27, 2012, 03:55:41 AM
etiolate: and just cause your team is terrible doesn't mean the league is.

:teehee
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 27, 2012, 03:56:29 AM
Smooth: What, like Dwight Howard? I mean, big men largely are what they are...they get better at what they do, rather than developing whole new areas of their game. (true of most players but especially of big men I think)

Biyombo, I dunno - starting two shot blockers with no offensive game? If Biyombo is your best hope beyond this draft...I have to tell you, Boston is getting more blocks per minute by far out of Greg Stiemsa, whom they picked up from the D League. It's not that hard to find one trick ponys in the NBA - the problem is filling out a roster that makes sense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: etiolate on April 27, 2012, 03:58:42 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 27, 2012, 02:36:05 AM
Indeed.

Would also love to hear etiolate tell me whether Dallas last year was a lottery winner, or a big market team that players forced their way to. I mean, I could go back through the past decade of 'contenders' but I don't think I even have to go very far to utterly refute that. Nobody was forcing their way to the Pistons either. Boston traded for KG and Allen and drafted Rondo very low. Kobe was drafted at #7 or something, Pau they traded for and Bynum was drafted low. Good organizations, all.

Dallas is a big market team with an owner willing to take financial risks. Most of the players they have, they did not draft. Though they are not a Lakers or Miami situation, the Dallas money and ownership has superstar pull. The Mavs are what the Atlanta Hawks would be with competent ownership.

The Mavs winning the Finals is also more an exception to the rule than the rule.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 27, 2012, 04:01:49 AM
Quote from: etiolate on April 27, 2012, 03:58:42 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 27, 2012, 02:36:05 AM
Indeed.

Would also love to hear etiolate tell me whether Dallas last year was a lottery winner, or a big market team that players forced their way to. I mean, I could go back through the past decade of 'contenders' but I don't think I even have to go very far to utterly refute that. Nobody was forcing their way to the Pistons either. Boston traded for KG and Allen and drafted Rondo very low. Kobe was drafted at #7 or something, Pau they traded for and Bynum was drafted low. Good organizations, all.

Dallas is a big market team with an owner willing to take financial risks. Most of the players they have, they did not draft. Though they are not a Lakers or Miami situation, the Dallas money and ownership has superstar pull. The Mavs are what the Atlanta Hawks would be with competent ownership.

The Mavs winning the Finals is also more an exception to the rule than the rule.

What part of that does not scream 'good organization' to you, rather than 'lucked out in the draft' or 'is a huge media market'?

Are you not getting this?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 27, 2012, 04:03:15 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 27, 2012, 03:55:04 AM

Wait, I thought Cormac was the one arguing that the Bobcats have been run like shit.

No, I fully agree with him.  The Bobcats completely wasted their 'expansion' years.  Their management from the top down was piss poor and Jordan inherited a fucking mess, structurally and otherwise.  It goes further than just the draft picks, I could bore you on how the NBA team wasn't even on free local tv for their first five years.  Bob Johnson started a cable channel for the games, you had to have cable and pay $10 a month extra for it.  Nevermind that everyone knows that true sports fans have DirecTv for NFL Sunday Ticket.

So even local fans that wanted to see the Bobcats could not, and that obviously hurt fan support.  The mistakes the Bobcats made are numerous, and trading their one true 'star' last year didn't help much either, even though we got a lot for Wallace.


As for pairing Davis and Biyombo, I think Bismack actually has a decent touch around the basket and can develop into a double digit scorer in a couple of years.  Davis I also believe has more offensive game than he's shown at UK.  Both are 19 right now, the jury is still out.  Just because they are known as defensive players right now doesn't mean they cannot expand their game.  Not everyone can have the 'careers' of Kevin Durant.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 27, 2012, 04:05:19 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 27, 2012, 04:01:49 AM
Quote from: etiolate on April 27, 2012, 03:58:42 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 27, 2012, 02:36:05 AM
Indeed.

Would also love to hear etiolate tell me whether Dallas last year was a lottery winner, or a big market team that players forced their way to. I mean, I could go back through the past decade of 'contenders' but I don't think I even have to go very far to utterly refute that. Nobody was forcing their way to the Pistons either. Boston traded for KG and Allen and drafted Rondo very low. Kobe was drafted at #7 or something, Pau they traded for and Bynum was drafted low. Good organizations, all.

Dallas is a big market team with an owner willing to take financial risks. Most of the players they have, they did not draft. Though they are not a Lakers or Miami situation, the Dallas money and ownership has superstar pull. The Mavs are what the Atlanta Hawks would be with competent ownership.

The Mavs winning the Finals is also more an exception to the rule than the rule.

What part of that does not scream 'good organization' to you, rather than 'lucked out in the draft' or 'is a huge media market'?

Are you not getting this?

Are you not getting that Dallas didn't even draft Nowitzki?  Without a shitty trade for Tractor Trailer it wouldn't matter how good their 'organization' was, they wouldn't have won anything.  They had some luck.  Every franchise you've named save for the Lakers and the Celtics needed some luck.  The Spurs needed some luck to get Duncan (and Ginobli, and Parker.)  The Rockets needed some luck to get Yao.  The Bulls DEFINITELY needed some luck to get Rose. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: etiolate on April 27, 2012, 04:05:38 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 27, 2012, 03:31:10 AM
Quote from: DJ_Tet on April 27, 2012, 03:28:39 AM
The Bobcats cleared cap space which was the whole plan for the last two years.  There was no reason to fuck that up to obtain a player that would have gotten them what, 5 more wins?  I'll take my chances getting a Tyreke Evans or whomever we can get this summer and next.

Evans is actually a great example of a team wasting years of a player's career, trying to play him at the 2 and PG before finally settling on the 3. The number of different players that were shuffled around those positions as a result is comical, and they made no forward progress while doing it.

I mean, Gregg Popovich would have taken one look at Evans and known what to do with him. Does anyone think he wouldn't be a more productive player for the Spurs than the Kings...?

No, he's not a great example. Evans has been moved around because his game hasn't grown. He's not a superstar. His rookie year and the 20-5-5 thing was a manufactured accomplishment. He can't play the 1 because he doesn't see the floor or the play, is slow initiating the offense and is just starting to understand spacing. He can't play the 2 because he has no midrange game or jumpshot. He's just begun to learn off the ball movement. He's too small for the 3, even though it asks less of him.

So why did he get the ball so much early on? Because the culture dictates you work your superstar. They tried to make him a superstar. Hey, if you don't give Tyreke the ball then he'll just leave in FA for a bigger market! You gotta utilize him! Even now that it's been demonstrated how limited Tyreke is, you still hear that from people. Even his agent has complained about his reduced usage.

What would Popovich have done with Evans? He's Manu without a jumpshot, midrange game or bball IQ. Tyreke would have been a defensive specialist playing 20 a night on the Spurs. Tops.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 27, 2012, 04:06:44 AM
Sorry, when did I ever say that luck was not a major factor? There are 30 teams - excellent ones go unrewarded every year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 27, 2012, 04:07:37 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 27, 2012, 03:56:29 AM
Smooth: What, like Dwight Howard? I mean, big men largely are what they are...they get better at what they do, rather than developing whole new areas of their game. (true of most players but especially of big men I think)

I was just giving a hypo.  I don't think Davis is ever going to be much of a scorer and therefore not the superstar that so many are projecting him to be.  College fans don't want to admit it but the college game is weak as fuck. 

Davis is not going to be able to jump like he does in the NCAA once he starts going against guys with equal length and 30 to 50 lbs of extra weight.  I don't even think he will ever be capable of scoring 20 on garbage baskets like Dwight because his shoulders are too narrow to put on much weight without losing significant athleticism. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 27, 2012, 04:08:15 AM
What would Pop have done with Evans? Don't ask me - he's the basketball genius, not me. I'm not saying he could have made him into a superstar - I merely asked if anyone thought he couldn't make Evans more productive than the Kings have done.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 27, 2012, 04:08:47 AM
Anyway, in other news, apparently Russ Granik was at the game tonight to discuss rebranding the Bobcats as the Hornets with Jordan.  Wonder what name the New Orleans franchise will assume, I cannot see them getting Jazz from Utah.

I'd love to get our history back though, and get that Bobby Phills jersey back in Charlotte where it belongs.  Perfect year to rebrand too, obviously.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 27, 2012, 04:10:11 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on April 27, 2012, 04:07:37 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 27, 2012, 03:56:29 AM
Smooth: What, like Dwight Howard? I mean, big men largely are what they are...they get better at what they do, rather than developing whole new areas of their game. (true of most players but especially of big men I think)

I was just giving a hypo.  I don't think Davis is ever going to be much of a scorer and therefore not the superstar that so many are projecting him to be.  College fans don't want to admit it but the college game is weak as fuck. 

Davis is not going to be able to jump like he does in the NCAA once he starts going against guys with equal length and 30 to 50 lbs of extra weight.  I don't even think he will ever be capable of scoring 20 on garbage baskets like Dwight because his shoulders are too narrow to put on much weight without losing significant athleticism. 

Sounds reasonable. I mean, that's still a top pick in any draft - if he turns into Tyson Chandler, you definitely want that guy on your team. IF he develops some offense, well...you probably win multiple championships if you're at all smart.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Mandark on April 27, 2012, 04:10:59 AM
I don't think you can file lopsided trades directly under "luck" either.  If you're lucky that other GM's are way dumber than yours... then you just won a trade by having a smarter GM!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 27, 2012, 04:13:18 AM
I agree that Davis won't be the inside force that Howard is, but his jumper is already 100x better.  The guy was a guard up until 2 years ago, lets give him a shot to actually develop his game.  He's playing on instinct right now, and that instinct looks pretty damn good at times.

As for the Nowitzki trade, there's definitely skill on the side of Dallas to recognize it and pull the trigger.  The luck is more that Milwaukee is stupid enough to make the trade.  Wasn't discounting Dallas so much as saying that if Milwaukee had any sense Dirk would have played there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: etiolate on April 27, 2012, 04:15:16 AM
Davis + Cousins pls

You know that's an awesome combo. Boogie and The Brow.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 27, 2012, 04:16:15 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 27, 2012, 04:10:59 AM
I don't think you can file lopsided trades directly under "luck" either.  If you're lucky that other GM's are way dumber than yours... then you just won a trade by having a smarter GM!

Yeah, I don't want to nit-pick every last little thing but my understanding is that Dallas scouted Dirk and that Nellie pushed hard for him. Thus, they got rewarded for doing their homework whereas the Bucks got burned. Again, organizational excellence - they made their own luck by being smarter than the other guy.

Wikipedia:

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After leading DJK Würzburg to promotion and with his Abitur and military service behind him, Nowitzki looked to the NBA for his future. Projected to be seventh pick in the 1998 NBA Draft, he passed up many college offers and leapt directly into the NBA as a then-still rare prep-to-pro player.[19] In particular, Rick Pitino and Don Nelson, head coaches of the Boston Celtics and Dallas Mavericks respectively, were highly interested in acquiring him. After a 45-minute private workout with Pitino, where Nowitzki showcased his versatile shooting, rebounding and passing skills, the Boston coach immediately compared him to Celtics legend Larry Bird; Pitino assured Nowitzki that he would draft him with the Celtics' first-round draft pick at number ten.[20]
However, Pitino's plan was foiled by Nelson, whose team had the sixth pick. Nelson worked out draft day deals with the Milwaukee Bucks and the Phoenix Suns: the Mavericks wanted Nowitzki and Suns reserve point guard Steve Nash; the Bucks desired muscular forward Robert Traylor, who was projected to be drafted before Nowitzki; and the Suns had set their sights on forward Pat Garrity, who was projected as a low first round pick. In the draft, the Mavericks drafted Traylor with their sixth pick, and the Bucks selected Nowitzki with their ninth and Garrity with their nineteenth pick. The Mavericks then traded Traylor to the Bucks for Nowitzki and Garrity, and they in return traded the latter to Phoenix for Nash.
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 27, 2012, 04:18:51 AM
Quote from: etiolate on April 27, 2012, 04:15:16 AM
Davis + Cousins pls

You know that's an awesome combo. Boogie and The Brow.

That actually would be a sick combo.  Was surprised at how big Cousins is in person, the guy is huge.

And yes, it's well documented that Nellie was ahead of the game on euro scouting.  But if he was that high on him why didn't they draft him in the first place?  Traylor was picked higher.  Why take a chance on losing him just to add Pat Garrity? 

Nevermind, turned Garrity into Nash, point taken  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 27, 2012, 04:20:33 AM
'cause they wanted Nash as well, and had a deal in place with the Bucks (See the spoiler in my post)

You got to admit, that's a way better haul in hindsight that Robert Traylor and Pat Garrity.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 27, 2012, 04:21:39 AM
Yeah that's totally lapping your competition.  RIP Tractor  :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 27, 2012, 04:26:32 AM
ANYWAY

FUCK THE PLAYOFFS START IN LIKE 32 HOURS! WHAT THE FUCK

We need to do some brackets and get some predictions on the record, STAT
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2012, 05:41:14 AM
(http://i45.tinypic.com/f4qovn.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2012, 06:20:53 AM
My picks

First Round

Chicago over Philly. No match here
Boston over Atlanta although it wouldn't shock me for Atlanta to win.
Indy over Orlando which is the easiest series in the entire playoffs
Miami over New York. The most "sizzle" match of the first round in the eastern conference but outside of Chandler the knicks just don't match up well with the heat despite playing really well since Mike Woodson took over.
San Antonio over Jazz as they seem like a better version of the jazz.
Memphis over Clippers. Easily best first round series. I'm banking on playoff style basketball that slows the game down helping the Grizzlies more and clogging the lane making Paul rely on jumpers.
Lakers over Denver. The easiest first round in the west. The nuggets are fun but utterly flawed.
Thunder over Dallas in a very sexy series but one that doesn't mean much. These aren't the Mavericks from last year and they may steal some games because Carlise is a great coach but they don't have enough.

Conf semifinals
Chicago versus Boston

Good test series for chicago. Its a series they should handle pretty easily but its the kind of series that will show whether their offense is only Derrick Rose again when they play the heat. Chicago in 5.

Miami versus Indy
I think Indy is the type of balanced squad that potentially will give Miami trouble. Teams that actually work hard and will out rebound and out work them. Miami should win it. But I can see it going 6. Good sign for Miami if it goes earlier though. Bad sign if it goes 6 or the unthinkable 7.

San Antonio versus Grizzlies
I'll be honest and admit that I didn't watch these two teams much during the regular season so I honestly don't have a real world take on either of them. A lot of thoughts are simply based on what happened last year versus what they did this season record wise. If there was gonna be another upset in this year's playoffs this seems like it would be it based on history and matchups. But for no good reason I'm gonna say San Antonio wins this year.  in 7

Lakers versus Thunder
This is the key series in the entire western conference for me. I honestly could go either way. I really like the Lakers for a lot of reason. I like the height. I like sessions. I like Kobe in the playoffs. But then I also see a team that could flame out with Kobe and Mike Brown getting the worst out of each other. Like nearly every one I also like the Thunder but I just wonder does that team have all the offensive pieces it needs. I don't like the fact that their bigs have no offense. I'm gonna pick an upset and say Lakers in 6 or 7.

Conf finals

Bulls versus Heat

And here we are. Let's not beat around the bush. I haven't liked the way Miami has played for a lot of the season despite their good record. I'm picking the bulls here. This is based off mainly the fact of these two playing last year and believing Chicago will see where they need to direct their attack and diversify against the heat versus the Heat's inability to change. Despite the minor changes these two teams have made this is essentially the same series as last year with each team having slight variations on the same strengths and weaknesses they had last year. Chicago's bench is still way better. Miami still has two premier scorers versus Chicago's one although I think Hamilton will help.  It wouldn't shock me to see Miami win of course but I just don't like the way this team has responded to adversity and I don't overly love the bench changes. They are still utterly weak against a team that is going to outwork them and has the depth of the bulls.  Bulls in 7

Lakers versus Spurs

I'm picking the Lakers but I was more sure of this pick a couple of weeks ago before the Spurs dusted them twice within a couple of days.  Once again my pick has more to do with having watched a lot of Lakers games and knowing their strengths and weaknesses better than the Spurs. The spurs are a big unknown to me in the sense of this seems like the sames Spurs team it always is. So its hard for me to suddenly say this team is way better than its ever been although such a thing is clearly possible. Lakers in 6.

Finals

Bulls versus Lakers.

I'll go with the Bulls. Based on the idea that the Lakers are strong enough to get here but the Bulls are a better version of them without the mental weaknesses and short comings. They have enough defense to defend kobe. They have enough bigs to compete with Pau and Bynum. That's enough right there. Bulls in 5 or 6.


Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 27, 2012, 06:27:34 AM
Time for history to repeat itself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_TiT5W0oDU

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it won't
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2012, 08:22:56 AM
Most likely Nash's final game as a sun

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5NcUNxLfq4
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 27, 2012, 08:39:48 AM
Yeah, Nash is gone. I tuned in for the last few mins of that - definitely a nice moment. He'd be crazy to be swayed by it though. The Heat need him so bad, and there are plenty of other smart destinations too (backing up D-Will in Dallas would be a fantastic option if it pans out - he could play 3 more years that way potentially...).

Cheers for the bracket, Stoney  :D

As I said a few pages back, I think the Heat will beat the Bulls, assuming it comes to that. I think the Bulls minus Rose are really, really good but over 7 games, the ability to sic LeBron on Rose and transform him into Derek Fisher will be too much to deal with. There is always the prospect of injury or LeBron getting the shits again of course. If the Bulls win though, I think they probably go on to win it all. Should be a great series with vicious defence and a lot of bad blood. It will likely be a series of big runs, as the Heat go ahead with the starters on the floor and cough up the lead due to their shitty bench. I predict the Bulls' bench wins at least one game for them - possibly even with the starters on the bench in the 4th. Thibs has crazy confidence in those guys now.

I agree with all Stoney's 1st round picks. They're usually easy to call of course. The only difficult one is Grizz-Clips maybe.  I think Memphis beats the Clips too. Z-Bo is looking better, and he will DESTROY Blake in the post. It will not be pretty. Blake will get his points and boards but they will be hard-fought other than the odd transition dunk I bet. Tony Allen on Chris Paul is the big match-up to watch. Just watch Paul's efficiency drop like a rock with Allen plastered all over him. Conley is no slouch either.  I say this one goes 4-2 and doesn't ever look close.

Thunder - Dallas: Well, you don't want to count Dallas out completely but based on watching a lot of games this year...it would be a REAL upset for the Mavs to take this one. Unless they have been completely tanking all season, it's not gonna happen.

Will think more about the 2nd round later I guess.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: pilonv1 on April 27, 2012, 09:07:56 PM
I always thought it was Donnie Nelson (not Don) who saw Dirk first and recommended him?

Interestingly Donnie was also the first one to give Jeremy Lin a chance, and compared him to Steve Nash, who he scouted in 1995/96.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: CajoleJuice on April 27, 2012, 09:16:10 PM
Beat the Heat
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 27, 2012, 10:43:50 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on April 27, 2012, 01:54:04 PM
Jazz all the way :rock

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Just kidding, Bulls take everything, Jazz lose to Spurs in 5  :'(
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At least I'm not a Kings fan :)
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The Spurs are a pretty bad match-up, yeah. But props to the Jazz for making the playoffs for sure. Again, no reliance on a big market or lottery picks - they just keep on truckin' anyway.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 28, 2012, 10:50:56 AM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on April 27, 2012, 09:16:10 PM
Beat the Heat
Won't happen, but I'll cheer with you.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2012, 10:55:18 AM
I'm all basketball all day today.


Philadelphia at Chicago
Game 1   1:00 PM         TNT   


New York at Miami
Game 1   3:30 PM         ABC   


Orlando at Indiana
Game 1   7:00 PM         ESPN

   
Dallas at Oklahoma City         
Game 1   9:30 PM                    ESPN
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: DJ_Tet on April 28, 2012, 11:13:28 AM
Quote from: pilonv1 on April 27, 2012, 09:07:56 PM
I always thought it was Donnie Nelson (not Don) who saw Dirk first and recommended him?

Interestingly Donnie was also the first one to give Jeremy Lin a chance, and compared him to Steve Nash, who he scouted in 1995/96.

I think you might be right that Donnie was the first one to see him live.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 28, 2012, 12:29:27 PM
Hollinger says Celts could take the Bulls to 7 in round 2 if that matchup happens...could be epic! His pick for a potential round 1 upset is Denver over the Lakers...don't buy it myself but Hollinger has a better record than me!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 28, 2012, 12:36:05 PM
'My favorite stat: San Antonio's three stars -- Tony Parker, Ginobili and Tim Duncan -- have only played 297 minutes together the entire season because Ginobili missed half the year and the Spurs have been so proactive about resting players. When they do play together? San Antonio outscores opponents by 17.8 points per 48 minutes. Again, that's not a typo: 17.8.'

He picks Spurs over Heat to win it all.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 28, 2012, 01:14:16 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 28, 2012, 12:36:05 PM
'My favorite stat: San Antonio's three stars -- Tony Parker, Ginobili and Tim Duncan -- have only played 297 minutes together the entire season because Ginobili missed half the year and the Spurs have been so proactive about resting players. When they do play together? San Antonio outscores opponents by 17.8 points per 48 minutes. Again, that's not a typo: 17.8.'


Poor Cohen
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2012, 02:06:33 PM
Bulls handling the 76ers as expected at the half.

Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 28, 2012, 12:29:27 PM
His pick for a potential round 1 upset is Denver over the Lakers...don't buy it myself but Hollinger has a better record than me!

Some people are suggesting the speed of the nuggets and their passing will give the Lakers problems. I just don't see it myself. At least over the course of a series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2012, 03:36:18 PM
Rose looks to be hurt again in a blowout win. It looked serious.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 28, 2012, 03:44:18 PM
Thibs is a fucking moron.  Close the game out with your bench, the Sixers weren't hitting shots to cut it close.

Rose likely out for the season based on the movement I saw on his knee.  Not totally over for the Bulls since that team is fucking stacked, but...man, against the Celtics?  Nope.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2012, 03:48:11 PM
I just think Rose is going to get hurt no matter what this season. Clearly he's just been in bad physical shape (I don't mean fitness) all season and the injuries are building on each other.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 28, 2012, 03:55:24 PM
the refs in this heat game are awful
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2012, 04:20:14 PM
Such lazy analysis to say the heat are "bored" by the regular season instead of pointing out how they are flawed in many cases in the regular season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2012, 04:30:18 PM
I hate the charge rules in the NBA as they are currently implemented.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 28, 2012, 04:36:12 PM
lol what a flop bron.

typically NBA-gaf is just besides themselves.  how dare lebron get foul calls
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2012, 04:39:00 PM
Bosh is terrible tonight on offense. The Knicks can't hit anything.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 28, 2012, 04:40:51 PM
bahahah oh god refs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2012, 04:43:03 PM
They've been pretty bad this game. (refs)

Lebron has played pretty great though.

Like I said, the Knicks don't match up well against the Heat.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 28, 2012, 04:45:27 PM
this shit is just painful to watch.  Lebron single-handily has accounted for the Heat's offense...and their defense with his flops and charge stances.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2012, 04:46:17 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 28, 2012, 04:45:27 PM
this shit is just painful to watch.  Lebron single-handily has accounted for the Heat's offense...and their defense with his flops and charge stances.

Probably his best first half of the entire season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 28, 2012, 04:48:17 PM
it really is.  AND he's missed quite a bit of his free throws.  He could be over 30 points right now if he made them.

edit: strike that, he actually made most of them.  But still, yeah, he's playing amazing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 28, 2012, 04:57:33 PM
oh my god NBA-gaf is just humiliating right now.  It's one thing to say the refs were awful; they were indeed.  But most of them are even saying Lebron didn't even play well and only made like two good shots.

Get the fuck out of here.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 28, 2012, 05:04:15 PM
Sorry, Cajole and Beezy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Beezy on April 28, 2012, 05:15:55 PM
So I'm not just being a biased Knicks fan? The refs are complete shit today? Cool.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2012, 05:20:11 PM
That Shumpert injury looks serious too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2012, 05:33:42 PM
Crushing.

Although this doesn't say much beyond this game. Miami is capable of doing this to a team like the Knicks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2012, 05:35:31 PM
I might skip that Pacers-Magic game because its probably gonna suck and come back for the Mavericks Thunder.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 28, 2012, 05:38:47 PM
yeah today has been zzzzz so far.  won't change until tonight maybe.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2012, 05:44:33 PM
Chalmers annoys the fuck out of me when he tosses the ball to Joel Anthony like he expects him to do something with it. If you pass the ball to Joel expect it right back. That's the correct move for Joel to make.

If you watch the heat a lot like I do, you see it so often it pisses you off when Chalmers does it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 28, 2012, 05:49:37 PM
according to rachel nichols, Rose is out for the rest of the post season.  Yikes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 28, 2012, 05:50:19 PM
yeah
@BreakingNews
Chicago Bulls PG Derrick Rose has torn ACL and MCL in left knee, will miss remainder of playoffs - @NBCMiami
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2012, 05:52:23 PM
Unfortunate. I really did think this was the Bulls year. They looked so good. It's now Miami's for the taking at least coming out of the east.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 28, 2012, 05:54:17 PM
makes me excited for what I think will be an amazing bulls celtics series.  obviously love watching rose play, but it'll most certainly go to seven games I think.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 28, 2012, 05:55:13 PM
holy fuck

(http://tinyurl.com/6v3dabs)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 28, 2012, 05:58:19 PM
Oh awesome-o...

Quote
Assume for a minute that everything that Sac fans said about 2002 Lakers/Kings Game 6 was completely true. I don't think there was anything wrong with that officiating, but let's allow it for the sake of argument.

Also assume for a minute that every conspiracy theorist was right about that game. Stern made the calls to the refs.

This Heat/Knicks game would still be a completely different level of corruption than that game.

This game is the most corrupt fucking thing that's existed in the world since Silvio Berlusconi abdicated.

from gaf.

lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 28, 2012, 06:12:49 PM
Regardless of how awful the refs were in this game (they absolutely were), the Knicks committed 27 turnovers.  Maybe 3 of those were questionable charge calls.  They were going to be spanked regardless.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Beezy on April 28, 2012, 06:23:13 PM
Knicks haters aren't even trolling today. This feels worse than last year. :fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2012, 08:11:53 PM
Indiana with a chance to send a message and sweep the hapless Magic and they are getting beat on their home floor. Not a good sign.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Beezy on April 28, 2012, 08:49:44 PM
Both Rose and Shump have ACL tears. Great.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2012, 09:29:49 PM
Wow Indiana you are embarrassing your self.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2012, 09:38:24 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 28, 2012, 09:39:39 PM
wow.  a fucking travel  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2012, 09:42:44 PM
(http://www.abload.de/img/untitled-2e4ys7.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 28, 2012, 09:43:40 PM
that's my favorite gif all day  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 28, 2012, 09:50:05 PM
Refs got their marching orders from Stern.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 28, 2012, 10:00:27 PM
Fucking NHL or WWE officials in this game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 28, 2012, 10:11:57 PM
not watching the game cause I'm at a laundromat but nothing will compare to the officials in the Knicks game.  Sorry malek
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 28, 2012, 10:13:31 PM
I should apologize for comparing them to NHL officials. That's just going too far.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 28, 2012, 10:20:21 PM
Terry in god mode.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2012, 10:46:14 PM
Good game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 28, 2012, 11:06:53 PM
Tomorrow's games are going to be awesome.  Memphis and LA is going to be brutal, I can't wait.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 28, 2012, 11:10:12 PM
I like how ESPN's main poll is now "Do you agree with Tom Thibodeau's decision to keep Derrick Rose in the game with the Bulls up double digits late in the fourth?"

Come on, really?  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 28, 2012, 11:11:42 PM
What's wrong with that pool?  Maybe I'm missing something.  I would assume most people were saying "no."
"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 28, 2012, 11:14:55 PM
ESPN: Do you think Kennedy should of sat in the back of the convertible? Did Lincoln make a mistake by going to the theater?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 28, 2012, 11:17:56 PM
hahaha marion
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 28, 2012, 11:27:53 PM
Westbrook was so fouled. Refs are terrible
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 28, 2012, 11:28:19 PM
Jesus Terry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2012, 11:48:34 PM
Thunder are struggling tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 28, 2012, 11:49:52 PM
Mahinmi sucks. Where's Wright?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 28, 2012, 11:53:13 PM
Mavs blowing it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2012, 11:58:33 PM
Completely off topic but its hard to believe Hubie Brown is 78.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 29, 2012, 12:00:07 AM
Dirk got bailed out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2012, 12:01:54 AM
Dallas is such a well coached fundamental team. No matter how much of a downgrade they are this year, they just don't fucking quit and they do all the little things right.

You don't know how much I appreciate that since I watch a lot of heat basketball and don't generally get to see those qualities.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 29, 2012, 12:06:02 AM
Dirkkkkkk
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 29, 2012, 12:07:43 AM
fuckkkk
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2012, 12:18:22 AM
Last second chance to win for Thunder.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 29, 2012, 12:19:18 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2012, 12:18:22 AM
Last second chance to win for Thunder.
Durant will win it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2012, 12:20:18 AM
Durant

 :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 29, 2012, 12:20:33 AM
:/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 29, 2012, 12:30:15 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 28, 2012, 11:11:42 PM
What's wrong with that pool?  Maybe I'm missing something.  I would assume most people were saying "no."
"

With hindsight, Rose was going to suffer that injury at some point in the playoffs anyway. Thibs did nothing wrong.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 29, 2012, 12:43:17 AM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on April 29, 2012, 12:20:33 AM
:/

I really want the Mavs to win this series and then suddenly tear through the rest of the Western Conference to make another appearance at the Finals, but I just don't believe they could do that even with a series win against the Thunder.

On the other hand, I really want to Thunder to make it to the Finals and see what they can do, because I really think they've got a shot at winning it all.

So, lots of internal conflict here.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 29, 2012, 12:04:42 PM
Utah Jazz ‏ @utahjazz
Josh Howard is starting

Not like the Jazz were going to win the series anyway, but they're only making things tougher on themselves by starting a black hole who hasn't had a TS% over 50% since 2008-09.

OMG he's already 32. When did that happen. Tracy McGrady is only 32 for fuck's sake.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2012, 12:46:30 PM
The more I think about it, the other team that really benefits from Rose going down is the Celtics. There is no way they could have beat the Bulls before the injury. And now they potentially can. And I think they match up decently with the heat if Ray Allen can get healthier.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2012, 01:30:24 PM
Spurs looking good early.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2012, 06:57:37 PM
Lakers looked good although I think that has more to do with the Nuggets not being very good. I was impressed with the Spurs. Their offense was really efficient. They took almost no bad shots in their game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2012, 09:28:55 PM
Unfortunate bump there
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2012, 11:13:22 PM
Grizzlies just putting it on the Clippers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Beezy on April 30, 2012, 12:57:04 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2012, 11:13:22 PM
Grizzlies just putting it on the Clippers.
:lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2012, 07:49:37 AM
Crazy. I went to bed and missed the comeback because they were getting pounded so hard.  :maf

I'll have to download and Watch it. This kinda shit always happens to me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Bulls already finished?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2012, 09:45:32 AM
Just watched the 4th quarter. The Grizz just stopped executing down the stretch. Zach Randolph had an awful game.

Quote
In the shot clock era, only one other team has entered the fourth quarter with a 21-point deficit and come back to win a playoff game


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqexqJq8FFQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY11De7h3BQ
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Clippers Miracle)
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 30, 2012, 10:33:44 AM
Grizz :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Clippers Miracle)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 30, 2012, 10:35:29 AM
Unreal
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Clippers Miracle)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 30, 2012, 11:56:02 AM
just got done watching the last of the games.

Clippers - Grizz was insane. I watched the first 2 quarters earlier on today but gave up on it. Eventually came back to it after seeing the Cs get within 4 before imploding and losing Rondo for at least a game. Fuckity - fuck. They didn't look remotely like themselves all game. Anyway, they can still win the series - in fact I expect them to do so.

The Spurs look REALLY good.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Clippers Miracle)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2012, 02:59:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOygTd1NWCM

Old but still
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Clippers Miracle)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2012, 05:23:50 PM
Quote
Boston Celtics point guard Rajon Rondo has been suspended for Game 2 of an Eastern Conference quarterfinal series against the Atlanta Hawks for making contact with a game official, NBA executive vice president of basketball operations Stu Jackson announced Monday.

Rondo chest-bumped referee Marc Davis with 41 seconds remaining in Sunday's 83-74 Game 1 loss at Philips Arena, earning his second technical and automatic ejection. Rondo, who earned both technicals while vehemently protesting a foul call against teammate Brandon Bass, said after the game that the bump was unintentional, but the league apparently viewed it as otherwise.

Lame. I thought it was kinda accidental.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Clippers Miracle)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 30, 2012, 05:30:23 PM
Bullshit. He tripped a little bit, but anyone who trips at least tries to brace themselves.  He fully went into the ref, still looking salty as fuck.  He deserves it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Clippers Miracle)
Post by: Ganhyun on April 30, 2012, 06:19:56 PM
If it can let the Hawks get a 2-0 lead over Boston I won't complain at all. 

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Clippers Miracle)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 30, 2012, 07:21:00 PM
Knicks-Heat Game 2 just started.

Lebron playing good D, Wade hitting pretty much everything he's getting fed.  Bosh 2-2 as well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Clippers Miracle)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2012, 07:26:37 PM
The Knicks are just the kind of team that make Miami look better than they are.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Clippers Miracle)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 30, 2012, 07:29:16 PM
you're such a self-hating Heat fan  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Clippers Miracle)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 30, 2012, 08:16:03 PM
Knicks looking pretty good, keeping the game close.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Clippers Miracle)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 30, 2012, 08:18:32 PM
Wade chucking Bibby's shoe :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Clippers Miracle)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 30, 2012, 08:27:52 PM
yeah, people on twitter and of gaf were screaming for a technical for that.  come the fuck on  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Clippers Miracle)
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 30, 2012, 08:42:41 PM
I kinda hope that the Heat win it all, so that I don't have to hear Collin Cowherd complaining about Lebron haters for another year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Clippers Miracle)
Post by: Beezy on April 30, 2012, 10:59:07 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--amar-e-stoudemire-cuts-hand-punching-wall.html

Quote
MIAMI – Amar'e Stoudemire cut his left hand while punching a fire extinguisher casing in the locker room after the New York Knicks' loss to the Miami Heat Monday night, sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Paramedics and the Knicks' and Heat's team doctors were immediately called to the locker room. Blood was visible on the carpet when the locker-room doors opened for reporters. Stoudemire received stitches and eventually left the arena with his left hand bandaged and his arm in a sling.

The Knicks said Stoudemire's status for Thursday's Game 3 is unknown.

Knicks coach Mike Woodson and general manager Glen Grunwald confirmed Stoudemire cut his hand, but didn't say how. Sources told Y! Sports the injury happened when Stoudemire punched the extinguisher case in frustration.

"Man, I don't know what happened," Carmelo Anthony said. "I didn't know what was going on."

...

We'll probably do better without him if he can't play on Thursday. -__-
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Clippers Miracle)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 30, 2012, 11:23:37 PM
Quote from: Beezy on April 30, 2012, 10:59:07 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--amar-e-stoudemire-cuts-hand-punching-wall.html

Quote
MIAMI – Amar'e Stoudemire cut his left hand while punching a fire extinguisher casing in the locker room after the New York Knicks' loss to the Miami Heat Monday night, sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Paramedics and the Knicks' and Heat's team doctors were immediately called to the locker room. Blood was visible on the carpet when the locker-room doors opened for reporters. Stoudemire received stitches and eventually left the arena with his left hand bandaged and his arm in a sling.

The Knicks said Stoudemire's status for Thursday's Game 3 is unknown.

Knicks coach Mike Woodson and general manager Glen Grunwald confirmed Stoudemire cut his hand, but didn't say how. Sources told Y! Sports the injury happened when Stoudemire punched the extinguisher case in frustration.

"Man, I don't know what happened," Carmelo Anthony said. "I didn't know what was going on."

...

We'll probably do better without him if he can't play on Thursday. -__-

Like a Bosh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Clippers Miracle)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 01, 2012, 12:25:42 AM
amazing game yet again for dallas and OKC.  surprisingly, Fisher and Vince Carter are having good games.  Yes, I said that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Clippers Miracle)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 01, 2012, 12:59:24 AM
(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1090756/wadeshoe_medium.gif)

 :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Clippers Miracle)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 01, 2012, 04:00:23 AM
Great game for the Thunder, but man, did Dallas shoot themselves in the foot with crappy fouls at the end. It feels like this series should be tied 1-1.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Clippers Miracle)
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 01, 2012, 09:15:19 AM
 :fbm

Durant can't shoot, yet the Thunder are up 2-0. Thanks a lot Carter, Kidd and Haywood. Though, to be fair, they were all below average players in the regular season (PERs of 13.5, 13.1, and 13.0, respectively).

Free Brandan Wright.

edit: Carter's PER in the playoffs is 5.4.

2nd edit:
1    Russell Westbrook    25.9
2    James Harden    24.6    
3    Serge Ibaka    22.3    
4    Kevin Durant    15.2

3rd edit:
1    Dirk Nowitzki    23.5

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Clippers Miracle)
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 01, 2012, 09:17:15 AM
The Knicks and Mavs are both seven seeds, they're both down 2-0, but the Knicks have lost their two games by a combined 43 points while the Mavs have lost by a combined four points.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Clippers Miracle)
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 01, 2012, 09:30:32 AM
Amare, this is why you go after stationary bicycles.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Clippers Miracle)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 01, 2012, 06:14:45 PM
(http://www.abload.de/img/untitled-1l7y7l.gif)

:rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Clippers Miracle)
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 01, 2012, 07:23:59 PM
:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Clippers Miracle)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 01, 2012, 08:52:43 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Clippers Miracle)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 01, 2012, 09:56:38 PM
Chicago is so screwed. They are making the 76ers look great.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Clippers Miracle)
Post by: Beezy on May 01, 2012, 10:21:30 PM
Rose is probably up there crying in that box right now. :(

It would've been crazy if Knicks tanked for Chicago. Just to see Rose and Shump go down with the same injury in the same game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Clippers Miracle)
Post by: Momo on May 03, 2012, 01:17:02 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/vA2zk.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 03, 2012, 10:01:30 PM
The Mavs are horrible
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 03, 2012, 10:06:23 PM
stop trying to give haywood the ball
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 03, 2012, 10:46:08 PM
 :-X

and way to catch a ball, marion.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 03, 2012, 11:53:10 PM
Time to trade Dirk and rebuild
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Clippers Miracle)
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on May 04, 2012, 12:10:35 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 01, 2012, 06:14:45 PM
(http://www.abload.de/img/untitled-1l7y7l.gif)

:rofl
This thread can't get any better.

LET'S GO HEAT!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 04, 2012, 12:51:56 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 03, 2012, 11:53:10 PM
Time to trade Dirk and rebuild

 :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2012, 12:11:53 PM
I don't think there is any reason to be especially mad or disappointed at the current incarnation of the mavs. The time to be upset was in the pre-season when they let Chandler go. That was the defining sign that they wouldn't compete for a title this year. Once that happened the players and coaches are just playing with the cards they had been dealt.

My only real impression of the playoffs so far is that the Spurs seem to be a lot better than I thought they were. They look fucking great on offense. The Heat and Lakers look great but its kinda meaningless because they are both playing shitty teams they match up extremely well against.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 04, 2012, 12:14:32 PM
Liked what both the Thunder and the Heat did today but unless someone convincingly punches the Spurs in the mouth, they're my pick to win it all. They were on cruise control against the Jazz in game 2 and still just eviscerated a team that in theory matched up fairly well against them (being somewhat of a kid brother to them).
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 04, 2012, 12:16:04 PM
whoa, Stoney just posted his bit on the Spurs about a second before I did. Great minds.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2012, 12:20:15 PM
Yeah the Spurs just look so crisp on offense. Its like they never take a bad shot. When you watch the Heat and the Lakers you still see lots of bad shots or bad spots of execution on offense. But every shot the Spurs are taking is a reasonable well executed shot for the situation. The ball movement is crisp and always seems to find the open man. Tim Duncan looks more rejuventated. Tony Parker is slicing and dicing the defense and either getting a good shot for himself or someone else. I was really impressed. It was quality basketball to watch.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2012, 12:24:45 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on May 04, 2012, 12:51:56 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 03, 2012, 11:53:10 PM
Time to trade Dirk and rebuild

 :(


(http://i.minus.com/ibcHUbTADO7aqr.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Brehvolution on May 04, 2012, 12:38:12 PM
 :lol <3 Cuban
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2012, 12:44:15 PM
(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/550111_2962788034865_1416512746_2940570_1521829423_n.jpg)


 :lol

Poor guy. I actually like Paul Silas.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Beezy on May 04, 2012, 01:23:59 PM
Yeah, the Spurs have looked pretty great so far. And healthy. I don't see the Grizzlies pulling off an upset against them again like last year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 04, 2012, 02:10:28 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2012, 12:11:53 PM
I don't think there is any reason to be especially mad or disappointed at the current incarnation of the mavs. The time to be upset was in the pre-season when they let Chandler go. That was the defining sign that they wouldn't compete for a title this year. Once that happened the players and coaches are just playing with the cards they had been dealt.


Pretty much
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 04, 2012, 02:10:46 PM
ESPN Stats & Info ‏ @ESPNStatsInfo
Carmelo Anthony has the worst win% of ANY player that EVER played at least 50 playoff games (16-36, .308). Confirmed by Elias Sports Bureau.

Unfair to put that record all on him, but his .415 FG% is :/
Overall, his career playoff stats aren't that much worse than his regular season numbers (20.4 PER dropping to 19.2).
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 04, 2012, 03:23:57 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2012, 12:20:15 PM
Yeah the Spurs just look so crisp on offense. Its like they never take a bad shot. When you watch the Heat and the Lakers you still see lots of bad shots or bad spots of execution on offense. But every shot the Spurs are taking is a reasonable well executed shot for the situation. The ball movement is crisp and always seems to find the open man. Tim Duncan looks more rejuventated. Tony Parker is slicing and dicing the defense and either getting a good shot for himself or someone else. I was really impressed. It was quality basketball to watch.

You didn't even mention Manu, the most entertaining player alive now that he's healthy again. Manu and Parker is the best and most fun backcourt tandem in the league but everyone still thinks of them as a grind-it-out team like the Pistons for whatever reason.

What's really impressive to me is that they have completely rehabilitated Gerald Green (who looks worthy of a lottery pick at last)  and get amazing performances and consistency out of all these guys that no-one ever expected anything from (Mr No-ACLs, Gary Neal, Kawhi Leonard, Matt Bonner...) until they got to the Spurs. Part of it is their 3pt shooting - every year it gets more important, it seems. But they have plenty of paint scoring for when that dries up too. Whether those guys are actually good or are just filling a niche competently is kind of a moot point. Richard Jefferson is one of the few players to ever buck that trend (I think - haven't checked his pre- and post-trade numbers or anything) but they cut bait on him quite nicely...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2012, 10:49:31 PM
That Celtics Hawks game was UGLY

And Chicago is so done.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 04, 2012, 11:45:35 PM
Denver doing what Dallas couldn't.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 05, 2012, 12:13:59 AM
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2012, 11:58:34 AM
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Alone on a podium late Thursday night, Carmelo Anthony wrapped himself in comfortable catchphrases and verbal deflections. The Miami Heat had not shut him down. He was simply “missing shots that I normally make.”

The Knicks, down three games to none in the playoffs, were not defeated. “Our confidence is high.”

Anthony’s tone was unwavering, his faith absolute. This is how elite talent speaks, with a self-belief that borders on the absurd and occasionally veers into self-delusion.

The Knicks, who have been outscored by 60 points in the series, are not going to be the first N.B.A. team (out of 100) to overcome a 3-0 deficit. Anthony, who is shooting .344 and has twice as many turnovers (12) as assists (6), is not going to lead them back.

The Knicks will soon exit the postseason, their 12th straight year without winning a series. Their 13-game losing streak is the longest in playoff history.

“I wasn’t here for them losses,” Anthony bristled this week, though he has now been here for seven.

His dismissiveness misses the larger point: the Knicks traded a bounty for Anthony — four starters and three draft picks — to end their decade-long drought, to make May and June matter again at Madison Square Garden. Anthony demanded a trade on the premise that he, along with Amar’e Stoudemire, would turn the Knicks into a reasonable facsimile of the LeBron James-Dwyane Wade Heat.

So far, the Anthony-Stoudemire Knicks have accomplished no more than the Stephon Marbury-Tim Thomas Knicks (swept in 2004).

They have had their misfortune — injuries to Stoudemire and Chauncey Billups in 2011, injuries to Stoudemire and Iman Shumpert in 2012 — but great teams find a way to win. And when they fail, the great players absorb, reflect and rededicate themselves.

Anthony is not the reflective type. He has rarely taken responsibility for his team’s failures, preferring to shift blame toward injuries, coaches or the playbook. But the N.B.A. is a star-driven league, and Anthony — a star by reputation, if not achievement — must eventually confront his own résumé.

In nine postseasons, Anthony is 16-36 — the worst record among active players with at least 50 playoff games. He has won a first-round series only once, in 2009. Since then, he has lost 11 of 13 playoff games. If the Knicks lose Sunday, it will be Anthony’s third time getting swept in five years.

Anthony shot .375 against the Boston Celtics in last year’s sweep. He is shooting miserably against Miami, but he is still taking 30 percent of his team’s field-goal attempts while the offense stagnates and the Heat loads up its defense.

Playing Meloball — in which Anthony dominates the offense, usually in ball-pounding isolation sets — got the Knicks through a critical late-season period, without Stoudemire and Jeremy Lin, with a 9-4 record. Anthony was brilliant in that stretch, shooting high percentages and collecting 30-point games while the defense did the rest.

But we are now seeing the limitations of Meloball. It can win 45 to 50 games (as it did in Denver), but it cannot beat a team as talented and disciplined as the Heat.

Stoudemire hardly saw the ball in the first two games of this series. The Knicks’ 3-point shooters are not getting open looks, because the ball is not moving.

Anthony is a great scorer. He is not yet a great player, because he does not consistently elevate his teammates. He averaged a modest 3.6 assists per game this season, and has a career average of 3.1.

By contrast, consider his close friends from the 2003 draft class: Wade has averaged 6.2 assists per game for his career, and James 6.9. Both Miami stars can control a game through their playmaking alone. The same goes for Kobe Bryant (4.7 career average), when the mood strikes.

In Cleveland, James led his teams deep into the playoffs (including the 2007 finals) despite a lackluster lineup, proving that a selfless star is infinitely more valuable than a single-minded gunner.

Kurt Rambis — a former teammate of Magic Johnson and a former coach of Bryant — put it best in an ESPN podcast, saying of Anthony: “One of the things he has to learn is how to involve his teammates more. There’s a lot more to winning ballgames than just scoring points.”

George Karl and Mike D’Antoni tried in vain to sell Anthony on this virtue, costing Karl years of aggravation and D’Antoni his job.

Initially, D’Antoni asked Anthony to play point forward, giving him the ball control he desired, but with equal responsibility for scoring and playmaking. Anthony accepted the role grudgingly and played it poorly.

Once Lin emerged, the Knicks’ playmaking needs were resolved. But Anthony was uncomfortable in a point guard-dominated offense and admitted as much a week before D’Antoni resigned.

So far, the only offense that seems to please Anthony is one where everyone else passes and he shoots.

“Melo is going to have to raise his game,” Coach Mike Woodson said Friday, suggesting that Anthony needs some growth to escape his personal playoff rut. “He’s got to change that.”

Woodson, an interim coach with no leverage, has necessarily catered to Anthony’s desires. With a little job security, he might not be so forgiving. Phil Jackson, if he were enticed by the Garden’s riches, would certainly demand a more team-oriented game.

Anthony will be 28 this month — old enough to be considered a veteran, young enough to learn. The Knicks will never be an elite team until he matures. And he will never truly be a star until he evolves.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/05/sports/basketball/knicks-carmelo-anthony-has-poor-playoff-track-record.html?_r=3&ref=howardbeck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2012, 04:53:34 PM
Pacers Magic has been a surprisingly entertaining game today.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 05, 2012, 05:01:05 PM
What a stupid foul on Nelson there. Gotta be smarter than that
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2012, 07:25:09 PM
Great pass there from Paul to Blake.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 05, 2012, 07:40:37 PM
damn, this game is fucking cray
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2012, 07:42:14 PM
Crazy game. Clips take it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 05, 2012, 09:10:18 PM
Hey, it's the 2011 version of Dirk.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 05, 2012, 09:17:36 PM
Webber talkin' tough.  ::)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 05, 2012, 09:46:38 PM
Harden owning bitches
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 05, 2012, 09:47:25 PM
how is this a 3 point game. fuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2012, 09:54:07 PM
Great game
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 05, 2012, 09:57:21 PM
Sucks now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 05, 2012, 10:14:17 PM
Fucking layup clinic.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2012, 10:16:34 PM
Harden was a beast down the stretch
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: pilonv1 on May 05, 2012, 10:18:31 PM
Mavs were too soft inside. Couldn't get it done
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 05, 2012, 10:20:46 PM
Quote from: pilonv1 on May 05, 2012, 10:18:31 PM
Mavs were too soft inside. Couldn't get it done

Doesn't help when the guards are so easy to blow by and don't help matters by playing too close.

But, obviously, the Mavs missed Chandler. And he's being wasted on the Knicks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: pilonv1 on May 05, 2012, 10:33:00 PM
Still if they end up with Deron and someone inside to help Dirk I think it was probably worth losing Chandler
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 05, 2012, 10:34:12 PM
So do they blow up the team now, or try to acquire a competent big man? I'd imagine the Mavs would have been quite better with Chandler in the paint, offensively and especially defensively

Seems like the Mavs need some new blood though, everywhere
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 05, 2012, 10:50:16 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 05, 2012, 10:34:12 PM
So do they blow up the team now, or try to acquire a competent big man? I'd imagine the Mavs would have been quite better with Chandler in the paint, offensively and especially defensively

Seems like the Mavs need some new blood though, everywhere

It's been pretty clear from the start that the moves leading up to this season were to try to bring in Deron Williams and Dwight Howard.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 05, 2012, 11:36:02 PM
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Tyson and Eddy
The divergent careers of two former prep phenoms

A 29-year-old Chandler has the flu. The illness — along with the injuries to Iman Shumpert and Amar'e Stoudemire — evaporates whatever slim chance his Knicks had of upsetting the Miami Heat. In his first season in New York, Chandler brought a defensive presence to the Garden unseen since the early days of Patrick Ewing. Chandler is an NBA champion, a gold medalist in international play, and the newly anointed Defensive Player of the Year. He is the backbone of the Knicks, their anchor, and last resort in the middle. He is integral to the Knicks' present and future. He is the epitome of the player who blossoms late, finds his role, embraces it, and is celebrated for it.

A 29-year-old Curry is healthy for the first time, really, in years. He is in street clothes, inactive, and watching the series from Miami's bench. He is on Miami's roster, but rarely actually plays. His career has been defined by a few ups and many more downs, horrible personal tragedy, and untapped potential. He is a forgettable part of the Knicks' past, an insignificant piece in Miami's present, and has an uncertain basketball future. He is generally known as a nice1 and affable guy, traits that are enviable off the basketball court, but ones that can be detrimental on it.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7887970/the-divergent-careers-miami-heat-eddy-curry-new-york-knicks-tyson-chandler
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 06, 2012, 10:49:07 AM
top five in minutes and their PERs

Dallas
1   Dirk Nowitzki   23.0   
2   Jason Kidd   17.1   
3   Shawn Marion   11.6
4   Jason Terry   12.9   
5   Vince Carter   6.4

OKC
1   Kevin Durant 23.3
2   Russell Westbrook 22.7
3   James Harden   28.0   
4   Serge Ibaka 21.4   
5   Derek Fisher 14.1   

And for the hell of it the Knicks top nine in minutes and their PERs
1   Carmelo Anthony 12.8   
2   J.R. Smith   26   10.0   
3   Tyson Chandler 10.1   
4   Amare Stoudemire   17.5   
5   Baron Davis   12.9   
6   Landry Fields   7.3   
7   Steve Novak      4.3   
8   Mike Bibby      7.5   
9   Jared Jeffries      3.0   

The one player above average loses fights to fire extinguishers.


Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 06, 2012, 06:18:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-slDZNnSnM
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 06, 2012, 06:25:06 PM
Carmelo crazy hot today.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 06, 2012, 06:29:28 PM
Awful foul call on the 3 attempt
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 06, 2012, 06:34:54 PM
Heat don't get the sweep
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 06, 2012, 06:57:19 PM
Knicks > Mavs

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 06, 2012, 09:26:40 PM
Trade Dirk for Melo.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 07, 2012, 10:04:18 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/13910/questions-surround-spoelstra-after-defeat

You know the issue for me isn't that game. Spoelstra did nothing more out of the ordinary than he always does in any game. The question for me is why does it take a game like that for writers to notice things when he's been this way ever since the big three era started.

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Out of all the interviews and speeches Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban gave on his championship tour last year, the sharpest blow came when he said his Mavericks knew they were going to win the NBA Finals when his coaching staff noticed the Miami Heat weren’t making adjustments.

This is not a new thing. I've never seen a coach as unprepared to adapt to the current game situation as him. Whatever gameplan the Heat bring into a game they are going to stick with it no matter. They might change for the next game but if the other team also changes then they are screwed because they aren't going to re-adapt. He's awful and the Heat win despite him. Not because of him. It baffles me that writers don't write about this every single day.

Watching his huddles are the funniest thing ever because he almost never says anything remotely related to the game that is going on. It's all Pop Psychology stuff.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 07, 2012, 09:40:03 PM
Acolyte of Riley, terrified to make any change without getting sign-off from Sauron up in the stands....
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 07, 2012, 10:54:38 PM
Spurs are crazy deep and balanced.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 07, 2012, 11:01:40 PM
They look unbeatable, really. I can get enthusiastic about the Celtics beating the Heat a few times, if there are meltdowns and injuries, but there's no f'ing way they will beat the Spurs so :fbm

The Lakers of course are the one team that no-one counts out 'cause 2 7-footers but I don't see it. The Thunder will win a few games but ultimately get out-coached. The Spurs just need to remain healthy and it's theirs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 07, 2012, 11:27:25 PM
I'm so tired of people freaking out whenever the Heat lose a game. They're up 3-1 against a bad, injured Knicks team. They'll beat them tomorrow night. Who cares
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 07, 2012, 11:33:04 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 07, 2012, 11:27:25 PM
I'm so tired of people freaking out whenever the Heat lose a game. They're up 3-1 against a bad, injured Knicks team. They'll beat them tomorrow night. Who cares

Nobody is "freaking out". Pointing out the obvious isn't "freaking out". The bad habits that you show against bad teams are the same bad habits you tend to show against very good teams. Hence Miami getting their ass kicked in the finals last year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 07, 2012, 11:38:23 PM
It's a reasonable worry, given the championship expectations for the Heat. Match-up adjustments will make a big difference in the Finals at least, and Spoelstra just is reluctant to make them for whatever reason. The players keep saying 'championship or bust' so it seems fair to assume that jobs will be lost (Bosh, Spoelstra...?) if they don't win it all this year. The prob is that they have an easy ride through the East but will likely have a tough time against the Spurs in the Finals (if that's how the West shakes out - that's how I think it will, anyway). So they are setting themselves up for UNBELIEVABLE fan disappointment and media hate if they lose badly in the Finals, I think. THEN you'll see some freaking out :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 07, 2012, 11:43:12 PM
Their path to the finals on the east side is so ridiculously easy now that even though I'm a fan, the chaos loving side of me wants them to somehow fail and not make it because it would be funny.


I think the big three in the west (Spurs, Thunder, Lakers) all present interesting matchup challenges versus the heat. It wouldn't be crazy for one of those teams to beat them imo but once you start talking about multiple championships before you've even won one, that sets the expectation levels for the media and dumb fans to pounce.  And yeah I agree. The fall guy if they don't win will have to be Bosh or Spoelstra. So their jobs are truly on the line.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 07, 2012, 11:51:56 PM
btw Baron Davis is really fucked up. He should probably just retire.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/baron-davis-suffers-very-serious-knee-injury-might-231948030.html

At one point in his career he was an amazingly fun player to watch play. For a short period I think he was my favorite player in the NBA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=konJU9vjx8k
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 07, 2012, 11:54:41 PM
Yeah, that's sad. He needs to go to the Suns, or retire.

It's pretty obvious that playing with major back problems is going to lead to major joint injuries but he played anyway. Just hope it doesn't leave him with a permanent limp etc.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2012, 05:17:31 PM
It's been a close series but the Clippers just play better down the stretch because they have Paul. And  Z-Bo hasn't played remotely as well as he did last playoffs. 


Also top 20 players so far in the playoffs according to PER

1   Joakim Noah, CHI      29.21   
2   LeBron James, MIA      28.91   
3   Rajon Rondo, BOS           28.56   
4   James Harden, OKC      28.31   
5   Chris Paul, LAC              28.00   
6   Andrew Bynum, LAL      27.26   
7   Dwyane Wade, MIA           27.14   
8   Roy Hibbert, IND      26.97   
9   Tony Parker, SA           26.27   
10   Darren Collison, IND           24.59   
11   DeJuan Blair, SA           24.29   
12   Spencer Hawes, PHI   24.08   
13   Ian Mahinmi, DAL      24.04   
14   Gary Neal, SA              24.00   
15   Derrick Rose, CHI      23.78   
16   Kevin Durant, OKC      23.70
17   Dirk Nowitzki, DAL      23.40   
18   Russell Westbrook, OKC   23.03   
19   Kobe Bryant, LAL           22.76   
20   Tim Duncan, SA      22.68   
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: etiolate on May 08, 2012, 06:16:33 PM
Yeah ZBo has been a letdown. I expected him to show up far more than he has.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 08, 2012, 07:32:28 PM
Rondo best guard in the playoffs, sounds fair. ('The Big Three' needs to be retired for REAL - it's been Rondo's team for at least 2 years). Interested to see what he can do against the Heat without a dislocated elbow.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2012, 10:56:35 PM
So I'm guessing Van Gundy is going to get fired?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 08, 2012, 10:59:51 PM
of course - he fired himself weeks ago by going to the press with the story that Howard was trying to oust him. There's no way he can stay on now. He has a whopping guaranteed salary for next year so he is farting through silk either way
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: etiolate on May 09, 2012, 01:39:32 AM
32 shots for Kobe? Jeebus.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 09, 2012, 02:40:18 AM
Pretty miserable first round so far. If it wasn't for Grizz-Clips, I'd be sawing at my wrists right now. Nothing else is interesting.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: etiolate on May 09, 2012, 02:51:37 AM
Mavs/Thunder was kind of interesting because the games were close early on. Then the Mavs were like fuck it.

The overall problem is there's 16 teams but only like two or three real contenders with Rose out, so most of the series outcomes are meaningless.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Mandark on May 09, 2012, 03:48:26 AM
There are five teams that wouldn't shock me if they won it all, but if the Spurs were coming off a championship rather than getting bounced in the first round last year, I'd be giving them the respect they probably deserve.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 09, 2012, 04:14:28 AM
Ginobili and Duncan were pretty badly hobbled in that series, in hindsight. They are both moving way, way better this year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2012, 11:41:56 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpbmXWtHwoQ
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Beezy on May 09, 2012, 12:34:13 PM
I'd love another Knick upset against Miami tonight, but I don't think it can happen with their PG problems. I'm just hoping that they play their hardest again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2012, 02:24:01 PM
http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/09/the-dream-teams-very-bad-day/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nyt%2Frss%2FSports+%28NYT+%3E+Sports%29&seid=auto&smid=tw-nytimessports
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 09, 2012, 08:25:07 PM
Miami on cruise control. They should be crushing the Knicks given the injury situation. Maybe there will be a 3rd quarter burst.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 09, 2012, 08:37:13 PM
New theory - LeBron feels sorry for all the bad press Melo is getting and is trying not to embarrass him too badly
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Beezy on May 09, 2012, 10:02:15 PM
Woodson's faith in JR pisses me off. He'll keep him in the game no matter how shitty he plays. Shit shots, lazy passes, dumb turnovers, dumb fouls. He can string together a combo of these and still doesn't get benched.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 09, 2012, 10:09:22 PM
always been the problem with JR...coaches see him light it up a few times and live in hope that it will happen every time they're down big
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 10, 2012, 02:01:11 AM
So Blake crumples with a potentially season-ending knee injury and Memphis boos him, jesus. I don't get 'fans' sometimes. This is someone playing his ass off and putting his body on the line for THEIR ENTERTAINMENT. Someone who walked on crutches for half a year with a similar injury. Sure, he gets paid, and you don't have to LOVE him...but booing him all the way off the floor? What the fuck?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: etiolate on May 10, 2012, 02:05:53 AM
I missed the second half of that game. Blake got hurt?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 10, 2012, 02:34:36 AM
Yeah, hyper-extended left knee, the same one he injured before his rookie season. I'm guessing he'll be able to play but will be significantly hobbled by it.

Paul also re-injured his groin. Luckily for the Clips, they have 2 more chances to close out. They'll need 'em.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 10, 2012, 02:39:09 PM
(http://i1256.photobucket.com/albums/ii488/flannelboy82/kobeclutch.jpg)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Clutch FG% since 2000*   
LeBron 0.460   
Wade    0.415
Kobe    0.397       
Pierce    0.387   
*min 650 "clutch" shots (shots occurring during the 4th quarter or overtime, with less than five minutes remaining, and neither team ahead by more than five points) including playoffs.
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition-Punching Fire Extinguishers!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2012, 02:43:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4cDzaKWekE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9vrueILKyw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P43-HjE1QRE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FMvv4OAHiQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzPcPDqg0UM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9ZBqtph7jo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev7okKSXKJg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_nqs2zz9Qc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFaflkGpqXk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrnZj_Hm7Z4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uaH8qT0a-U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2q9V40cLkA
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 10, 2012, 02:49:45 PM
Poor Pau Gasol. He's Blake's Shawn Bradley.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 10, 2012, 08:09:33 PM
Boston is hamstrung by Pierce's injury so the Hawks have a good shot at beating them tonight and setting up a game 7. Seriously, the Heat's path to the Finals just couldn't get any easier. Yet last night a friend of mine told me he had no idea who was going to come out of the East :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 11, 2012, 12:26:41 AM
I can't believe the Lakers have let the Nuggets turn this into a series.

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 11, 2012, 12:38:11 AM
Boston shouldn't sleep on the Sixers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 11, 2012, 12:59:27 AM
Quote
Bill Simmons ‏ @sportsguy33
I like Mike Brown's plan of keeping Kobe out there in a blowout and trying to get the Nuggets sick. He's thinking ahead.

Bill Simmons ‏ @sportsguy33
I think Pau Gasol is saving his legs for the Olympics.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 11, 2012, 01:39:10 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 11, 2012, 12:38:11 AM
Boston shouldn't sleep on the Sixers.

eh

OK, Boston is banged up (Pierce has been getting through it somehow but Allen is ineffective), but basically Philly can't score. This series against the Bulls has been an aberration for them in that regard. Their main asset is defense, and Boston are better at that (#1 in defensive efficiency). So Boston basically comes out ahead in both offense and defense. They don't have enough to beat the Heat but they should still beat the Sixers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 11, 2012, 01:40:51 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/CZeGd.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 11, 2012, 01:47:19 AM
Really worth watching KG's comments :lol

http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/7917831/boston-celtics-kevin-garnett-sarcastically-thanks-atlanta-hawks-michael-gearon-jr-giving-some-extra-gas

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 11, 2012, 10:03:24 AM
Pretty interesting


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A player of Wade’s size shouldn’t be capable of denying forwards and centers. What sets Wade apart from all the great shooting guards in NBA history isn’t his ability to score, but his ability to prevent others from scoring.

More to the point, Wade might be the best shot-blocking guard the league has ever seen.

Wade added another two blocks to his name on Wednesday, and he had one of the best shot-blocking campaigns of his career, swatting 1.3 shots per game despite battling an assortment of minor leg injuries and playing a career-low 33.2 minutes per game.

How remarkable is that?

Consider the following. Wade blocked more than four times as many shots as the average shooting guard (0.3 blocks per game). On a per-minute basis, he blocked shots more often than Pau Gasol, Kevin Garnett, LaMarcus Aldridge and, yes, Chris Bosh and LeBron James, too. Said another way, you could tally up all the combined blocked shots by reputable defenders Tony Allen, Kobe Bryant and Avery Bradley this season -- and they still wouldn’t have more blocks than Wade this season.

Historically, we have no precedent. Wade is the only guard in NBA history to average a block per game over his career. The late Reggie Lewis trails Wade with a 0.9 blocked shot average and ranks second all-time. Other known shot-blockers such as George Gervin, Michael Jordan, David Thompson and Vince Carter all look up at Wade in the blocks category.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 11, 2012, 01:38:37 PM
Kevin Garnett is nearly 36. His PER of 23.8 in the playoffs is his highest since 2004.
Come on.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 11, 2012, 01:56:06 PM
(http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1064506/amarejerk_medium.gif)
(http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1064548/paulf_medium.gif)

With regards to that Wade article: Jordan through his age 31 season was at 1.0 blocks a game, right where Wade is now (at 30).
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 11, 2012, 02:38:52 PM
So you're saying Wade is gonna buy a crappy team and run it into the ground.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 11, 2012, 08:06:05 PM
NBA crowns Lebron's ass again.  :burgerking
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 11, 2012, 08:13:32 PM
He deserves it.  He's been playing very well the last few weeks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 11, 2012, 08:43:33 PM
MVP is for regular season...

(one in which he put up averages that have been hit by Michael Jordan and none other)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 11, 2012, 09:06:18 PM
Oh man, lots of salty Kobe fans on twitter
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 12, 2012, 06:35:04 AM
another unsatisfying game today. Memphis scrapes out a comeback win against a team whose only two good players are at about half their normal effectiveness. Del Negro bungled the endgame in shameful fashion too. It was really hard to watch. So after all, we get 2 game 7s but i'm only moderately excited for either of 'em.

The West 2nd round is our best hope for some actual good series' I think.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2012, 06:34:06 PM
The Lakers will almost certainly win tonight but I would laugh my ass of it they lost it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 12, 2012, 08:03:13 PM
hey, they gave up on the Mavs last year. The Mavs are better than these Nuggets but it wouldn't be the weirdest thing ever for the Lakers to roll over. Bynum is clearly moody as fuck.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 12, 2012, 08:24:48 PM
I want the lakers to lose so hard.  seeing nba-gaf meltdowns will be glorious.

Also would make an interesting matchup with OKC
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 12, 2012, 08:28:36 PM
beat-up Celtics making the Sixers look like the Suns :fbm

With the bum ankle, Ray Allen is a liability I'm afraid. Pierce and Bradley are also very limited. Which leaves Rondo and KG to carry the whole offense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 12, 2012, 08:46:04 PM
Hollinger MVP talk - Kobe named on 106 ballots, Wade on 4. Sorry, but that's kind of a joke.

Someone else mentioned that LeBron received one FIFTH PLACE vote :lol

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 12, 2012, 09:44:14 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 12, 2012, 08:46:04 PM
Hollinger MVP talk - Kobe named on 106 ballots, Wade on 4. Sorry, but that's kind of a joke.

Someone else mentioned that LeBron received one FIFTH PLACE vote :lol

That's the same number of fifth place votes that Joe Johnson got. :teehee
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 12, 2012, 10:11:49 PM
Boston keepin' in this one.  And jesus, I feel like every Celtics game I watch involves a Rondo triple double.  Dude is nuts.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 12, 2012, 10:18:44 PM
Rondo has outplayed Chris Paul so far in these playoffs. Not sure if anyone has noticed or cares though!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 12, 2012, 10:35:41 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on May 12, 2012, 09:44:14 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 12, 2012, 08:46:04 PM
Hollinger MVP talk - Kobe named on 106 ballots, Wade on 4. Sorry, but that's kind of a joke.

Someone else mentioned that LeBron received one FIFTH PLACE vote :lol

That's the same number of fifth place votes that Joe Johnson got. :teehee

:lol

Let's try and come up with a credible list of MVP candidates that ends with LeBron in 5th

Chris Paul
Durant
Wade
Kobe
LeBron?

Anyone who could make a list like that needs their credentials revoked immediately. Like Wade is more responsible for the Heat's success than LeBron?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 12, 2012, 10:36:21 PM
Rondo is fucking hilarious :lol

That sprint at the end to avoid the foul :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 12, 2012, 10:37:27 PM
Smart, smart basketball:

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2012/5/12/3017062/rajon-rondo-celtics-vs-sixers-video/in/2779907
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 12, 2012, 10:54:17 PM
on Nuggets - Lakers. Lakers def. have the edge since they look engaged for once. But I really really really want to see Bynum sulk and foul out again in a 40pt blowout for the Nuggets
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 12, 2012, 10:58:12 PM
wish the nuggets had j.j. barea just for that
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 12, 2012, 11:13:15 PM
LeBron's gf  :o
http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/7922483/miami-heat-lebron-james-joins-rare-company-third-nba-mvp-award
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 12, 2012, 11:20:43 PM
(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1115114/mbow.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 12, 2012, 11:54:12 PM
no-one watching? I am watching all the games live today for a change...only ch1nchilla is keeping me company....
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: ch1nchilla on May 12, 2012, 11:55:19 PM
Debating some day-drinking
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: ch1nchilla on May 12, 2012, 11:57:34 PM
If the Nuggets lose I will proceed to make it coma drinking
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 13, 2012, 12:48:00 AM
I tuned out when the lakers were up 16.  Now they're down?  LOL
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 13, 2012, 01:06:52 AM
being carried by Artest and Pau right now. MWP is beasting on D. Steve Blake is a human fireball after being dead all year :fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Mandark on May 13, 2012, 01:33:03 AM
I wonder how much money Javale McGee made with this series.  Could get the full on Jerome James bonus when he signs his new contract this offseason.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 13, 2012, 01:50:59 AM
did you notice him sneaking in his token distinguished mentally-challenged play right at the end?

soared in for the put-back slam on a meaningless FT with 4.5 secs to go...but stepped over the line :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 13, 2012, 02:54:02 AM
 :lol

fun game regardless.  Lakers are going to get assfucked by the Thunder.  I hope Harden just clowns Artest.

Thunder in 5.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 13, 2012, 03:11:55 AM
4 games in 6 days, and only MWP is fresh (that is actually a problem for Durant and obviously for Harden...). I'd say that's as far as the Lakers go. They looked fucking whipped at the end of that game.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: pilonv1 on May 13, 2012, 03:31:16 AM
I was getting excited about a Nuggets/Thunder series :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 13, 2012, 03:33:34 AM
Everyone is very impressed that Kobe refrained from shooting the Lakers in the foot for once :lol

Expect articles on his newfound maturity galore tomorrow morning
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 13, 2012, 06:50:02 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 11, 2012, 12:59:27 AM

Bill Simmons ‏ @sportsguy33
I think Pau Gasol is saving his legs for the Olympics.

Or just game seven.

I wonder if he'd make that comment about an American Olympian (rhetorical question). 

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 13, 2012, 07:11:55 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 12, 2012, 10:35:41 PM
Anyone who could make a list like that needs their credentials revoked immediately.

Reminds me of the 1947 MVP vote when a voter left Ted Williams off his ballot. Hell, Williams only received three first place votes despite leading the league in OPS by 220 points over Joe DiMaggio. Three first place votes and Eddie Joost, who hit .206 and led the league in strikeouts, received two first place votes. Imagine a world in which LeBron gets three first place votes and Luol Deng gets two.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 13, 2012, 07:31:26 AM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on May 13, 2012, 06:50:02 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 11, 2012, 12:59:27 AM

Bill Simmons ‏ @sportsguy33
I think Pau Gasol is saving his legs for the Olympics.

Or just game seven.

I wonder if he'd make that comment about an American Olympian (rhetorical question). 


He'd totally say that about Kobe, come on
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 13, 2012, 01:06:01 PM
Clips Grizz game 7 on.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 13, 2012, 02:47:21 PM
I was looking up some basketball stuff on wikipedia and came across this gem

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Altercations with Earl Strom

According to Darryl Dawkins's autobiography, Bavetta was officiating an NBA game during the mid-1970s between the Philadelphia 76ers and New Jersey Nets with Earl Strom as his partner for that game.[16] Bavetta overruled Strom on a crucial last-second personal foul call against the Nets, which would have been a victory for the 76ers.[16] When the game ended and players were walking to their respective locker rooms, the door to the referees' locker room flew open and Bavetta came staggering out.[16] His uniform was allegedly ripped and he was wearing a big welt over his eye, running to get away from Strom.[16] Strom stepped out into the hallway and hollered after Bavetta, "You'll take another one of my fucking calls again, right, you motherfucker?"[16] Strom was later fined for the incident.[17]
Bavetta had another altercation with Strom when Strom tried to choke Bavetta during halftime of an NBA game in 1989 for allegedly siding with the home crowd. Strom reportedly apologized two weeks later.

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 13, 2012, 02:58:28 PM
1 point game going into the 4th quarter. I loved when the crowd audibly groaned when Tony Allen thought about taking that three.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 13, 2012, 03:32:17 PM
Looks like the grizz lack of offense is gonna finish them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 13, 2012, 03:43:09 PM
Refs doing their best to keep the Grizzlies in the game but Clips should have this.  Fuck the Grizzlies.  Boring ass, dirty team just like the 90s Knicks.  NBA needs less of that shit. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: etiolate on May 13, 2012, 03:51:50 PM
And the Clips are a flopping ref crying team of the current era.

It was a perfect match. *sniff*
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 13, 2012, 03:52:55 PM
Miami off to a slow start as usual against a decent team.  ::)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 13, 2012, 03:58:46 PM
Flop, my ass.  CP3 got knocked around all game without getting most calls. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 13, 2012, 04:42:18 PM
If Indy beats Miami in this game  they should fire Spoelstra right afterwards in the post game press conference.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 13, 2012, 05:09:26 PM
Apparently Bosh is hurt. Abdominal strain.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Bacchus7 on May 13, 2012, 05:20:14 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 13, 2012, 02:47:21 PM
I was looking up some basketball stuff on wikipedia and came across this gem

Quote
Altercations with Earl Strom

According to Darryl Dawkins's autobiography, Bavetta was officiating an NBA game during the mid-1970s between the Philadelphia 76ers and New Jersey Nets with Earl Strom as his partner for that game.[16] Bavetta overruled Strom on a crucial last-second personal foul call against the Nets, which would have been a victory for the 76ers.[16] When the game ended and players were walking to their respective locker rooms, the door to the referees' locker room flew open and Bavetta came staggering out.[16] His uniform was allegedly ripped and he was wearing a big welt over his eye, running to get away from Strom.[16] Strom stepped out into the hallway and hollered after Bavetta, "You'll take another one of my fucking calls again, right, you motherfucker?"[16] Strom was later fined for the incident.[17]
Bavetta had another altercation with Strom when Strom tried to choke Bavetta during halftime of an NBA game in 1989 for allegedly siding with the home crowd. Strom reportedly apologized two weeks later.

 :lol

That whole autobiography is gold. I assume they're referring to Chocolate Thunder.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition- Kobe's sixth ring lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 13, 2012, 06:25:27 PM
The Big Two were too good down the stretch which is gonna be a series long problem for the Pacers. Pacers played well though. They will take some game at home I believe.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2012, 12:07:22 PM
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Miami HEAT
‏ @MiamiHEAT
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Injury Update: The MRI on @ChrisBosh revealed a strained abdominal muscle. He is out indefinitely.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2012, 07:16:46 PM
A lot of people are very up on the Celtics at the moment because they seem to be gelling and playing their best basketball and without Bosh against them Garnett would be huge potentially.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 14, 2012, 07:48:07 PM
I am soooooo excited about that Bosh injury. It would really even the scales a lot over 7 games.

Still don't think the Cs could beat the Spurs of course, I'm not totally insane. But they can for sure beat the Sixers and they can maybe beat the Heat if Bosh is out for most of the series. That means more minutes for Joel Anthony and Turiaf! :drool

Also, KG appears to have sneaked in a trip to that mad doctor in Germany.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 14, 2012, 08:16:38 PM
I think the Sixers drag this series out, though.  They seem to be keeping up with the C's on both ends.

The Heat will still beat the Pacers in 5 games.  Then they'll beat the Celtics in...6, I think.

But honestly, I don't see anyone fucking with the Spurs this year.  They look scary good.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2012, 09:45:06 PM
This is the series I'm the most fascinated by in the entire playoffs. Thunder and Lakers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 14, 2012, 10:35:07 PM
Not sure why, other than star power. Thunder should win fairly handily, especially with the Lakers gassed and playing 4 games in 6 days (at least, including a back-to-back)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 14, 2012, 10:39:57 PM
Thunder are pooping on the Lakers.  Hopefully this is a sweep
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2012, 10:47:21 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 14, 2012, 10:35:07 PM
Not sure why, other than star power. Thunder should win fairly handily, especially with the Lakers gassed and playing 4 games in 6 days (at least, including a back-to-back)

Then I believe that's a good thing for the Thunder but I want to see them prove it to me.


They are certainly hot from the outside tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 14, 2012, 10:50:57 PM
Is this a 'can't believe they'll do it in the playoffs, despite seeing it in 200 regular season games' thing?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2012, 10:52:34 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 14, 2012, 10:50:57 PM
Is this a 'can't believe they'll do it in the playoffs, despite seeing it in 200 regular season games' thing?

I think playoff basketball is different from regular season basketball. So yeah in that instance. The degree to which they beat the lakers over this series will say something about the squad. I'm just curious to see that process and gauge their evolution.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 14, 2012, 11:04:55 PM
I just think 1) the Thunder've got plenty of playoff wins under their belt, 2) the Lakers aren't that good and have sucked in the playoffs so far this year and last year, 3) the Thunder are shit-hot

I mean, what more do you want. The Thunder have the #2 offense; the Lakers are at #13. The defenses are fairly even. Thunder will win in 5 or 6 at most.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2012, 11:09:49 PM
I'm not really arguing that the Lakers are better. I don't even really think I'm arguing anything other than I want to be impressed by the Thunder, and if they handily beat the Lakers then I'm impressed. If its a struggle then I'm less impressed. They are killing the Lakers tonight so that's a good sign.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 14, 2012, 11:09:58 PM
plus - The Thunder have chemistry, the Lakers have anti-chemistry, the Thunder are young and laugh at this schedule, and they have home court, while the Lakers are old and tired...Brooks has the edge over Mike Brown too, surely...it's really hard to see how the Lakers take this.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 14, 2012, 11:10:42 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2012, 11:09:49 PM
I'm not really arguing that the Lakers are better. I don't even really think I'm arguing anything other than I want to be impressed by the Thunder, and if they handily beat the Lakers then I'm impressed. If its a struggle then I'm less impressed. They are killing the Lakers tonight so that's a good sign.

Yeah, I'm ready to be ENTERTAINED and to see those yellow-clad fucks lose but not really expecting a thrilling series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2012, 11:21:13 PM
33 point lead. They are kicking the crap out of the Lakers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 14, 2012, 11:26:10 PM
The end of the 1st quarter (which i'm just catching up on) is a great answer to all those who bleat on about Bynum's FG% vs Kobe's...Bynum shoots a high % IF he gets the ball and IF he can take a shot. If either of those fail, it's likely a worse possession that Kobe just jacking it up from the perimeter. Why? Well, the entry pass is risky, now that defenders can roam anywhere they want. And if the other team can instantly double-team, it doesn't matter how big the offensive player is - he likely can't get a good shot without risking an offensive foul. So you are basically just substituting a pass from a guard on the perimeter for a pass from a double-teamed big man in the post in many cases. That works if you have a talented passer like Shaq AND great spacing (like the Magic or the early-2000's Lakers...) but not always. Even if you get a really good system down, it becomes very predictable and the defense will compensate quickly (and again, zones are legal now so forget about comparisons to Ewing or Barkley or Hakeem...).

In short, it's just not going to be possible to get someone like Bynum 30 good looks per game, no matter how efficient that sounds in theory.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 14, 2012, 11:32:52 PM
lol lakers
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 14, 2012, 11:51:32 PM
If there is one truism in the NBA i'd like to see hard stats on, it is the idea that slumping shooters will suddenly come to life after getting a free throw, a lay-up or a dunk. If only to shut up Reggie Miller and Steve Kerr.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2012, 09:59:00 PM
Whether they win or lose the series against Indy, tonight was a prime example of why the Heat won't win the title this year. Even with Bosh.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 15, 2012, 10:00:14 PM
LIKE A BOSH
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 15, 2012, 10:03:20 PM
Oh snap, Derrick Rose out for 8 months to ONE YEAR.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 15, 2012, 11:26:40 PM
wtf  :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2012, 11:29:40 PM
Spurs just way too good for the Clippers. It looks like the Spurs versus the Thunder will be the real NBA Finals.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Beezy on May 16, 2012, 12:28:21 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2012, 11:29:40 PM
Spurs just way too good for the Clippers. It looks like the Spurs versus the Thunder will be the real NBA Finals.
I had this same thought earlier. Can't wait.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 16, 2012, 12:38:24 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2012, 11:29:40 PM
Spurs just way too good for the Clippers. It looks like the Spurs versus the Thunder will be the real NBA Finals.

It's interesting to see how this is going for the Thunder. First the Mavs, then the Lakers, and then likely the Spurs in the Western Conference Finals. If they get to the Finals, they will have gone through the West's old guard from the past 13 years.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 16, 2012, 01:26:32 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 16, 2012, 12:38:24 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2012, 11:29:40 PM
Spurs just way too good for the Clippers. It looks like the Spurs versus the Thunder will be the real NBA Finals.

It's interesting to see how this is going for the Thunder. First the Mavs, then the Lakers, and then likely the Spurs in the Western Conference Finals. If they get to the Finals, they will have gone through the West's old guard from the past 13 years.

What would be crazy is if the Spurs won it with their big three again after such a long separation from 2006–07 title.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 16, 2012, 11:28:30 PM
Much closer game two here for the Thunder and Lakers. You can tell the Lakers know its over if they lose this one so they are putting up a huge fight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 17, 2012, 12:08:07 AM
Thunder making a huge rally.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 17, 2012, 12:14:08 AM
Thunder got a little lucky there but looks like they are taking game 2.  8)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 17, 2012, 12:14:28 AM
And yet again, the Thunder show that they're still the most exciting and fun team to watch in the NBA.  Rooting for them to win the west.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 17, 2012, 12:19:05 AM
Kobe Bryant = 9 of 25 shooting

:rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 17, 2012, 12:19:29 AM
MVP!!!! bububuu it's the intangibles!!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 17, 2012, 12:26:09 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 17, 2012, 12:19:05 AM
Kobe Bryant = 9 of 25 shooting

:rofl

0-6 on 3-pointers. 2-15 as a team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: pilonv1 on May 17, 2012, 12:28:11 AM
lolkers
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 17, 2012, 12:28:36 AM
Kobe, get the fuck out of here.  At least Lebron has been playing decent in the fourth quarter these playoffs (last night not withstanding).  Kobe has been megashit
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 17, 2012, 12:35:04 AM
Lakers-age is absolutely fucking terrible.  They're rightfully blaming Kobe, but some choice quotes:

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If you're going to get swept, at least flagrant foul Westbrook for me. thx.
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YNB and Harden (until the last two minutes) probably couldn't have played worse and OKC still won. Probably a sweep now. Thunder have gotten some ridiculous luck so far this postseason though, think it balances out against the Spurs or Heat.
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Coulda, woulda, shoulda. Give me MJ for the first 47 minutes and Kobe for the last 60 seconds.
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I expected the Thunder to win by 15-20, but their stupid turnovers and horrible isolations almost gave the game away to the Lakers.
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Originally Posted by DeathbyVolcano: 
Kobe hasn't been "clutch" for years. He has a lower percentage than Lebron and Wade. This stupid clutch thing needs to go away, he's not the clutch guy
You're an idiot - plain and simple. And facts don't back up your idiotic arguments


That being said, this loss is allllll on Kobe


And Reilo thinking Kobe is STILL leagues better than Lebron.  el oh fucking el
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 17, 2012, 12:57:18 AM
::)

I'll never get why some fans get so emotionally invested.  For all the derision that bandwagoners get, they might be the ones that really know what's going on. 

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: etiolate on May 17, 2012, 01:08:44 AM
You should have known that the Lakers had no chance in this series,
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 17, 2012, 01:13:20 AM
shinobi never knows
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 17, 2012, 01:22:41 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/lakers/post/_/id/30597/rapid-reaction-game-2-thunder-77-lakers-75

ESPN coverage is horrible but I've a little respect for the Kamenetskys because they aren't just mouthpieces for Kobe, unlike Mcmenamin and Shelburne who bring nothing to the table. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2012, 01:51:24 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on May 17, 2012, 12:57:18 AM
::)

I'll never get why some fans get so emotionally invested.  For all the derision that bandwagoners get, they might be the ones that really know what's going on. 


Hurry up, there's still room on my Kings Celtics Heat Clippers Wolves Thunder Spurs bandwagon! :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2012, 01:55:33 AM
Thunder won't beat the Spurs but it will be a hell of a lot more interesting than the Lakers series. If the Lakers go to 3-1, I expect a lot of temperamental bullshit from them in game 5 again.

The Celtics have maybe a 10-15% chance at beating the Heat, if they can wrap up the Sixers series early and the Pacers stretch out their series. If Allen, Bradley and most of all Pierce can get a bit healthier AND Bosh stays out AND KG and Rondo keep beasting, they can take them, I swear. Who thinks i'm delusional? The Cs' team defense is phenomenal now, and has been consistent in almost every game they've played so far...they just suck at scoring. But without Bosh and with LeBron forced to play the 4 or even the 5...the Heat won't be scoring that much either.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 17, 2012, 01:57:50 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2012, 01:51:24 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on May 17, 2012, 12:57:18 AM
::)

I'll never get why some fans get so emotionally invested.  For all the derision that bandwagoners get, they might be the ones that really know what's going on. 


Hurry up, there's still room on my Kings Celtics Heat Clippers Wolves Thunder Spurs bandwagon! :lol

Maybe one more round before I decide which team I've been always been a fan of. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2012, 02:13:01 AM
hint - it's the Spurs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2012, 02:14:04 AM
If you feel any doubt, just ask yourself - did anyone on the Spurs look even remotely worried facing Chris Paul in the 4th quarter yesterday? Yes, the Chris Paul with the PER of 38 in 4th quarters this season
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2012, 03:02:06 AM
he said in the series, and he's right
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: etiolate on May 17, 2012, 03:07:13 AM
I see the Lakers winning game 3 in LA, losing the next game and then getting blown out in game 5 as Kobe quits on the team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2012, 03:12:59 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on May 17, 2012, 03:04:35 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2012, 03:02:06 AM
he said in the series, and he's right

Yes, but taking a 1-1 tie back home for two games gives a team a puncher's chance. And any team with Bynum, Gasol and Kobe has to get pretty good puncher's odds.

We probably still would have lost, but if we were taking the series back to LA with a 1-1 tie, I could see us winning it in 6. Instead we'll probably get swept.

Yeah, but any team with Durant, Westbrook and Harden has way better puncher's odds. There is no real way to project a Laker win here other than ooh, maybe someone will get hurt or suspended (which is the only circumstance in which I can get excited by the prospect of Celtics vs Heat next round, thanks to the Glorious Chris Bosh Abdomen Injury)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Mandark on May 17, 2012, 03:17:53 AM
Upsets happen, of course, but everyone I've heard predict one in the OKC-LAL series is giving a ton of weight to "experience".  Or is a nutbar Lakers fan on my Facebook.

Either way I'm glad LA showed up.  It's always fun watching the team self destruct in the playoffs (do they ever go out and not have it be ugly?) but I'd like some close games too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2012, 03:29:28 AM
The Big 3s are not even, but it's more than that. The Thunder can thwart the Lakers' main offensive weapon by double-teaming the bigs and daring someone to hit a 3 (no-one much has). Whereas the Lakers have no fucking chance of running with the Thunder, whether they shoot well or not.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2012, 03:30:22 AM
Quote from: Mandark on May 17, 2012, 03:17:53 AM
Upsets happen, of course, but everyone I've heard predict one in the OKC-LAL series is giving a ton of weight to "experience".  Or is a nutbar Lakers fan on my Facebook.

Either way I'm glad LA showed up.  It's always fun watching the team self destruct in the playoffs (do they ever go out and not have it be ugly?) but I'd like some close games too.

A ton of weight to experience, but discounting the flameout vs the Mavs just last year because Mavericks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2012, 03:31:09 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on May 17, 2012, 03:15:01 AM
Honestly, I think the big 3's are both pretty even.

The Thunder are better because they're vastly superior from 4-12.

Who else is good on the Thunder then? Go on, say Ibaka I dare you
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 17, 2012, 03:32:49 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2012, 03:31:09 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on May 17, 2012, 03:15:01 AM
Honestly, I think the big 3's are both pretty even.

The Thunder are better because they're vastly superior from 4-12.

Who else is good on the Thunder then? Go on, say Ibaka I dare you

Ibaka!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2012, 03:35:32 AM
9 pts a game! Blocks shots but doesn't make them noticeably a better defensive team (by defensive plus-minus). Can't create a shot for himself. How is that more useful than Matt Barnes or MWP
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 17, 2012, 03:36:04 AM
because fuck the lakers, that's why
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2012, 03:45:40 AM
a little confused logically but i can't disagree with the sentiment!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Mandark on May 17, 2012, 03:50:24 AM
Ibaka's horribly overrated as a defender (Michael Wilbon had him as DPOY), but he's a bit underrated on offense.  Chips in points, doesn't turn it over, seems to have a decent midrange jumper when he's open.  Also, Nick Collison's posted some wildly befuddling plus/minus numbers, to the point where he might be the first Guy Who Does Things That Don't Show Up In The Boxscore to really deserve that title.
 
At this point, I think the difference between the respective big 3's is basically however much better Durant is than Kobe now.

Starting to get my hopes up for Spurs/Thunder.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: T234 on May 17, 2012, 03:58:10 AM
Nah, Ibaka altered alot more shots that weren't on the stat sheet. I watched this game, Ibaka was better tonight than most any of the lakers 4-12.



Around these woods we got a saying:"There are lies, damn lies, and statistics." 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2012, 03:59:30 AM
Durant is way better than Kobe right now but also it's a point guard's league now (and both Harden and Westbrook are PGs when they're in). You can do way more damage from there than from the post.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2012, 04:00:08 AM
Quote from: T234 on May 17, 2012, 03:58:10 AM
Nah, Ibaka altered alot more shots that weren't on the stat sheet. I watched this game, Ibaka was better tonight than most any of the lakers 4-12.

Around these woods we got a saying:"There are lies, damn lies, and statistics." 

If this was true, then he'd be significantly positive in defensive plus-minus. Sorry.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2012, 04:00:56 AM
That's not to say that he didn't have a significant defensive impact TONIGHT of course but that's not what we were talking about
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Mandark on May 17, 2012, 04:07:38 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2012, 03:59:30 AM
Durant is way better than Kobe right now but also it's a point guard's league now (and both Harden and Westbrook are PGs when they're in). You can do way more damage from there than from the post.

PG's are putting up bigger numbers than they ever used to, but bigs still have a really important impact on the overall game.  Gasol and Bynum were key players on two championship teams, after all, even in the no-handchecking era.

What's odd is how there aren't as many standout wings, especially 2-guards, as there are big men and PG's.  Maybe something to do with the way players develop (like when all the big men learned to shoot and there were tons of great PF's and few C's) or maybe it's just one of those random talent fluctuations.  For someone who started following basketball during the Jordan/Pippen era it's a bit jarring.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2012, 04:14:13 AM
The Lakers' championship teams had players who could hit open 3s - without that, a post-based offense is crippled. And Bynum didn't do a whole lot in 2009 did he? Odom was far more important I thought...

Yeah, no doubt those guys are important but it's relative to the Thunder's Big 3.

I'm sure Malcolm Gladwell has some half-baked theory to explain the lack of 2 guards. It is odd. After years of hearing whinging old-school coaches complaining about everyone wanting to be MJ...where are they??
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 17, 2012, 08:40:04 AM
(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1123367/crazies.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2012, 09:10:38 AM
saw that live, horrifying. C-Webb had a snappy line about it too, but i've forgotten it 'cause it concerned some US entertainer I didn't know.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 17, 2012, 09:39:13 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2012, 09:10:38 AM
saw that live, horrifying. C-Webb had a snappy line about it too, but i've forgotten it 'cause it concerned some US entertainer I didn't know.

Flavor Flav?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 17, 2012, 10:03:11 AM
Leper Cormac
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 17, 2012, 10:15:31 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aMw2DxnEjo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2012, 12:54:12 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on May 17, 2012, 09:39:13 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2012, 09:10:38 AM
saw that live, horrifying. C-Webb had a snappy line about it too, but i've forgotten it 'cause it concerned some US entertainer I didn't know.

Flavor Flav?

must have misheard in that case :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 17, 2012, 03:02:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHaOj64sHds
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 17, 2012, 04:03:00 PM
(http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1070155/AtEsQpVCQAAyItE.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 17, 2012, 04:52:30 PM
Huge game for the heat in a couple of hours and they are on the road in Indy. If they lose it, they are in some deep shit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 17, 2012, 07:14:44 PM
Oh look. Miami off to another shitty start. How unusual.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 17, 2012, 07:15:49 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/OFjqd.jpg)

 :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Beezy on May 17, 2012, 07:26:44 PM
damn...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2012, 07:39:27 PM
Horrible timing for Rose. It'll be 2 years before he is at his best again (if ever).
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2012, 07:47:55 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 17, 2012, 03:02:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHaOj64sHds

So I guess he's talking about Barkley there? League Pass doesn't carry the half-time shows unfortunately so I don't get a lot of the merry banter about Ernie and Kenny and Charles...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 17, 2012, 08:53:32 PM
Miami getting their ass kicked and now here comes the realization and anger about how this team this season was built on a bad bench and bad coaching and was never as good as the media touted them to be. Wade shouting at Spolestra in the huddle. The meltdowns if they lose this series will be hilarious.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2012, 09:02:30 PM
They seem to be melting down on court as well. Spoelstra and Wade will have to hug it the fuck out afterwards, but hell, it's only one game, on the Pacers' home court. It'll be close especially without Bosh but the Heat should still win the series...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 17, 2012, 09:07:15 PM
Probably the only thing I'm qualified to talk about realistically is Miami Heat basketball because they are the only team I consistently watch all the time. And its a myth that they are some phenomenal squad even with Lebron and Wade. Now that may be for lots of reason. Lebron and Wade have to take some blame. Bosh is gone sure. I think we all know how I feel about Spolestra and the shitty gm job they've done over the last couple seasons. Battier is shot. They love to grab these dudes and plug them in right as you can put a fork in them. They are fundamentally not a title worthy team. Their offense sucks. It's sucked for two seasons now. The look great against shitty teams that turn over the ball alot and Wade and Lebron throw alley-oops to each on the resulting fastbreaks. They look oh so average against everybody else and when the game actually becomes a half court game. That team that folded against the Mavericks are the real Heat. They are not mentally tough. The emperor is not wearing any clothes. He's buck naked. They are lucky to not be down 3-0. That first game was crazy close.

End rant mode.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2012, 09:22:14 PM
http://www.nba.com/video/channels/playoffs/2012/05/17/0041100203_mia_ind_angry_wade.nba/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - The Heat flame out again this year)
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 17, 2012, 09:43:55 PM
Dwayne Wade = 2 of 13 shooting, 5 points

:rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - The Heat flame out again this year)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2012, 09:47:12 PM
Chalmers was Wade-like though. Didn't make any diff. Once the Pacers started hitting 3s, it was over.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - The Heat flame out again this year)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2012, 10:13:18 PM
Spurs putting on another relaxed, professional basketball clinic here. Who is beating them? Still not seeing anyone. Their big 3 are practically telepathic at this point, and they get insane production from their roleplayers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - The Heat flame out again this year)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 17, 2012, 10:45:26 PM
Time to call Phil Jackson for next year. Because that's the only way the Heat are winning anything at this point.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - The Heat flame out again this year)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2012, 12:05:48 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 17, 2012, 10:13:18 PM
Spurs putting on another relaxed, professional basketball clinic here. Who is beating them? Still not seeing anyone. Their big 3 are practically telepathic at this point, and they get insane production from their roleplayers.

Yeah its time to hop on the Spurs Bandwagon. This team does not take bad shots.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - The Heat flame out again this year)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 18, 2012, 03:06:00 AM
Hollinger on the Spurs:
'We're basically watching two versions of the playoffs right now.

In one version, a team has some players on the court who can score and others who pretty much can't, and the objective of the opposing defense is to send extra defenders at the former and give shots to the latter. We saw a great example of that Wednesday night, when both the Lakers and Thunder ignored two of the five opponents on the court to focus their efforts on the other three and, as a result, suffocated two teams that are normally quite good offensively.

Then there's the other version, being played by the Spurs, in which everybody can score, at all times, and the defense is left with no clue what to do about it.'

Yep. And the Spurs aren't bad on defense either.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - The Heat flame out again this year)
Post by: pilonv1 on May 18, 2012, 04:26:12 AM
It's not just that they can score, it's that the Spurs are an elite passing team and know where to be at all times. They're almost playing a European style, and the majority of the NBA has no idea how to prevent it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - The Heat flame out again this year)
Post by: etiolate on May 18, 2012, 05:04:45 AM
I think the best defenses against the Webber-era Kings were the ones that took away the pass and watched their man rather than the ball holder. It never really stopped them, but it was the most effective strategy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - The Heat flame out again this year)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2012, 10:58:58 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 18, 2012, 03:06:00 AM
Hollinger on the Spurs:
'We're basically watching two versions of the playoffs right now.

In one version, a team has some players on the court who can score and others who pretty much can't, and the objective of the opposing defense is to send extra defenders at the former and give shots to the latter. We saw a great example of that Wednesday night, when both the Lakers and Thunder ignored two of the five opponents on the court to focus their efforts on the other three and, as a result, suffocated two teams that are normally quite good offensively.

Then there's the other version, being played by the Spurs, in which everybody can score, at all times, and the defense is left with no clue what to do about it.'

Yep. And the Spurs aren't bad on defense either.

That sounds about right. And yeah their passing and shooting is really crisp. No to mention you have someone like Parker who is able to break down defenses and drive and score or start the pass rotations to the open man. In some ways it reminds me of the Mavs success last year.

Watching the Spurs on offense and then watching the Heat on offense is like night and day.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - The Heat flame out again this year)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2012, 08:26:17 PM
Who would have ever thought the Celtics may advance further than the Heat do this year in the playoffs...

The sixers are just out-manned and have no offense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - The Heat flame out again this year)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 18, 2012, 08:27:57 PM
I bet the NBA is thrilled at the prospect of a Spurs-Pacers final. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - The Heat flame out again this year)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 18, 2012, 10:45:55 PM
Andre Igoudala  :o
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - The Heat flame out again this year)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2012, 11:33:26 PM
The Celtics really collapsed there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - The Heat flame out again this year)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 18, 2012, 11:43:15 PM
they weren't hitting ANYTHING.  Pierce kept bailing them out, but garnett was awful and allen wasn't shooting well either.  Rondo had a solid game but when KG isn't doing well it's not easy to win for them

but the Sixers were fucking nigh-perfect in the second half.  Stifling D, hitting a bunch of contested jumpers, and Evan Tunrer showing up with some drives.

It's a series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - The Heat flame out again this year)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 19, 2012, 11:35:02 AM
It's been a series since the opening tip :lol

The first 2 games were about as close as you can get - Doc Rivers rightly said he felt the Celtics stole the one they actually won. It projects as a narrow win for the Celtics though. I have no real doubt that they won't advance.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - The Heat flame out again this year)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 19, 2012, 02:35:14 PM
The Spurs have now won 17 straight and 26 of their last 28. They are 6-0 in the playoffs.

If this was one of the big market glamour franchises the media and people in general would be going nuts.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: etiolate on May 19, 2012, 05:56:09 PM
poor press

Having to pay attention to a league and not just a few select cities.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - The Heat flame out again this year)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 19, 2012, 07:26:12 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 19, 2012, 02:35:14 PM
The Spurs have now won 17 straight and 26 of their last 28. They are 6-0 in the playoffs.

If this was one of the big market glamour franchises the media and people in general would be going nuts.

Or if Tony Parker was still dating Eva Longoria
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 19, 2012, 11:34:21 PM
The thunder don't look so hot tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2012, 12:58:09 AM
Huge thunder rally here.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 20, 2012, 01:02:22 AM
Holy shit Durant clutching it up
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2012, 01:02:54 AM
Killer 3.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 20, 2012, 01:05:18 AM
Lakers are done.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2012, 01:08:47 AM
btw the Spurs were down 33 to 11 at the end of the first quarter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWKpmvN0aGk
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - And down goes Bosh)
Post by: etiolate on May 20, 2012, 01:29:07 AM
Quote from: etiolate on May 17, 2012, 03:07:13 AM
I see the Lakers winning game 3 in LA, losing the next game and then getting blown out in game 5 as Kobe quits on the team.

Blowout incoming!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 20, 2012, 02:02:58 AM
Kobe is still great at closing out his team's chances. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2012, 02:33:03 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn57sowIWr8
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 20, 2012, 11:15:28 AM
Well, the Spurs had their 'punch in the mouth' that I've been waiting on and just rolled right on through it like it was nothing. Down 24, up 24, they are equally poised. Nobody is beating them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Beezy on May 20, 2012, 11:16:45 AM
Spurs bandwagon :rock

Everyone has only been talking about OKC. I can only assume that they're just not watching the Spurs at all.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2012, 03:43:04 PM
Stop me if you've heard this one before. Another shitty start for Miami. Down 9-0. This team loves to start shitty and then expect thing to get magically better. Fire spoelstra please.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2012, 03:56:32 PM
If Lebron or Wade don't take it upon themselves to score like 40 or something, this game and this series is done. This is just like the Mavs last year.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 20, 2012, 03:58:23 PM
The Big One doing everything by himself.  Why did he leave Cleveland again?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2012, 04:00:38 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on May 20, 2012, 03:58:23 PM
The Big One doing everything by himself.  Why did he leave Cleveland again?

Because Wade is better than Mo Williams.

Last game and this first quarter not included
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2012, 05:28:17 PM
So sad it takes a desperate situation for them to pick up their intensity like this in the 3rd. Start the fucking game that way.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2012, 05:53:08 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2012, 03:56:32 PM
If Lebron or Wade don't take it upon themselves to score like 40 or something, this game and this series is done. This is just like the Mavs last year.

Lebron has 37 and Wade has 30 right now. And there is still time left in the 4th.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: bachikarn on May 20, 2012, 06:02:49 PM
The elbow to the face helped Haslem remember how to shoot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2012, 06:04:10 PM
Quote from: bachikarn on May 20, 2012, 06:02:49 PM
The elbow to the face helped Haslem remember how to shoot.

Pretty much.  :lol

He hit some huge shots and he's struggled with his jumper all season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 20, 2012, 06:05:22 PM
Start haslem!  Lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2012, 06:08:32 PM
Lebron

40 pts.
17 rebs
9 ast

Wade also had a great game after starting out terrible

30 pts
9 reb
6 ast
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 20, 2012, 09:57:32 PM
Just watched it.

- The Pacers do really well when they wall off the paint, which is very easy to do when they're playing 5 on 4 (at least - they can ignore Anthony/Turiaf and mostly Battier too) on defense. LeBron and Wade CAN still get to the basket against that kind of D, but it is really really hard, even for them. In the 2nd half, they were able to do it. Over the long haul...the Pacers definitely want to stick with that strategy. No-one on the Heat is going to beat them from the perimeter.

- Wade looked like a different player. If we want to blame Spoelstra for not motivating him the other night...maybe we should give him a little credit for motivating him tonight. It could be that Spoelstra has nothing to do with either performance of course.

- LeBron is the best player in basketball, let's not get crazy about Durant because he hit a bad 3 in crunchtime
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2012, 10:04:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DnKOc6FISU
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 20, 2012, 10:15:13 PM
written and directed? Not bad!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 21, 2012, 12:27:05 AM
Everyone is praising the Staples staff for the quick changes between ice, Clippers floor and Lakers floor...but players are slipping all over the fucking place - Westbrook looked about 2 cm away from tearing something...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2012, 01:10:22 AM
Sweep
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 21, 2012, 01:14:37 AM
29 of their last 31, including end-of-season rest games. :bow

The Clippers actually did about as well as that group probably could have. They certainly didn't roll over. But they were just out-gunned and out-classed. Fo', fo', fo' on the cards?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2012, 01:20:45 AM
I'll take the Spurs in 5 or 6 over the Thunder. Let's go with 6 just to give the Thunder some credit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: etiolate on May 21, 2012, 01:22:18 AM
I remember when that Tony Parker & Richard Jefferson for the 7th pick and Casspi rumor was going around before draft night. A lot of Kings fans were freaking out because they didn't want Tony Parker taking the ball out of Tyreke's hands.

I hate fans.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 21, 2012, 02:06:51 AM
whoa shit, the Warriors are moving to SF?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2012, 01:17:21 PM
PER Leaders for the Playoffs. I removed anybody who didn't make it past the first round

LeBron James, MI  31.80
Russell Westbrook, OKC   27.96
Kevin Durant, OKC    27.06
Tim Duncan, SA   26.38
Darren Collison, IND 25.62
Andrew Bynum, LAL    24.62
Kobe Bryant, LAL   24.20
James Harden, OKC  23.79   
Rajon Rondo, BOS  23.51
Roy Hibbert, IND     23.04
Kevin Garnett, BOS   22.68
Eric Bledsoe, LAC   22.55
DeJuan Blair, SA  22.16
Dwyane Wade, MIA  21.81
Blake Griffin, LAC   21.22
Serge Ibaka, OKC   20.73
Gary Neal, SA    20.59   
Chris Paul, LAC  20.46
Chris Bosh, MIA 20.31   
Tony Parker, SA     19.90
Jodie Meeks, PHI  19.88
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 21, 2012, 01:29:06 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 21, 2012, 02:06:51 AM
whoa shit, the Warriors are moving to SF?

And the A's are trying to move to San Jose. Oakland owned.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 21, 2012, 02:54:15 PM
I wish articles like this would get more attention:

http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2012/05/20/kobe-bryant-and-faith-as-small-as-a-mustard-seed/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 21, 2012, 03:13:59 PM
I'm now reading through that blog. Awesome stuff.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2012, 04:45:07 PM
Van Gundy and Otis Smith canned in Orlando.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7956244/orlando-magic-part-ways-coach-stan-van-gundy-general-manager-otis-smith
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: etiolate on May 21, 2012, 05:13:22 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on May 21, 2012, 02:54:15 PM
I wish articles like this would get more attention:

http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2012/05/20/kobe-bryant-and-faith-as-small-as-a-mustard-seed/

Good read. There's a ton of manufactured narratives in the NBA.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 21, 2012, 07:28:05 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2012, 04:45:07 PM
Van Gundy and Otis Smith canned in Orlando.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7956244/orlando-magic-part-ways-coach-stan-van-gundy-general-manager-otis-smith

dumb dumb dumb.  Van Gundy is a top 5 coach in the current NBA with a brat of a player under him.  Howard under some pushover like Mike Brown makes more sense since Kobe and Howard would basically be the coaches there, not Brown.  But SVG won, what was it, like 66% of the games he coached in his career at Orlando?  Making the playoffs each season with basically one star player?  Stupid shit.  Should've kept SVG and traded Howard for Bynum+Barnes or something.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 21, 2012, 09:37:12 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2012, 01:17:21 PM
PER Leaders for the Playoffs. I removed anybody who didn't make it past the first round

LeBron James, MI  31.80
Russell Westbrook, OKC   27.96
Kevin Durant, OKC    27.06
Tim Duncan, SA   26.38
Darren Collison, IND 25.62
Andrew Bynum, LAL    24.62
Kobe Bryant, LAL   24.20
James Harden, OKC  23.79   
Rajon Rondo, BOS  23.51
Roy Hibbert, IND     23.04
Kevin Garnett, BOS   22.68
Eric Bledsoe, LAC   22.55
DeJuan Blair, SA  22.16
Dwyane Wade, MIA  21.81
Blake Griffin, LAC   21.22
Serge Ibaka, OKC   20.73
Gary Neal, SA    20.59   
Chris Paul, LAC  20.46
Chris Bosh, MIA 20.31   
Tony Parker, SA     19.90
Jodie Meeks, PHI  19.88

told y'all Rondo was the best PG in the playoffs! He was brilliant again tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 21, 2012, 09:41:02 PM
lol at Derek Fisher giving pre-game speeches in the Thunder locker room, come on. Rode Shaq and Kobe's coattails for a decade and now he is telling KD and Westbrook how to play. There are not enough rolleyes
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 21, 2012, 09:47:00 PM
I mean, I've got to hand it to Fisher for parlaying limited gifts into a great career, and no doubt he will be a head coach before too long but shit. Dude is all hat and no cattle
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 21, 2012, 10:13:36 PM
Any chance Van Gundy winds up in Miami again, assuming they don't win it all this year
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 21, 2012, 10:17:19 PM
Well, Pat Riley could fire himself I guess
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 21, 2012, 10:51:17 PM
holy shit, Kobe just dunked twice in a row. Makes me want to rewatch some old Lakers games when he was doing that stuff on every other play
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 21, 2012, 10:59:13 PM
obviously this game isn't important in any way since OKC has this thing on ice but it is rather entertaining so far, refs being very silly indeed
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 21, 2012, 11:52:28 PM
this is so over  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2012, 11:53:02 PM
It's over. Thunder crushing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 21, 2012, 11:55:52 PM
Close it out, Kobe.  I wanna see at least 5 straight bricks. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 22, 2012, 12:10:20 AM
LOL at Kobe making sure everyone knows that the loss is on Gasol. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 22, 2012, 12:18:40 AM
yep - YOU DIDN'T SET THAT SCREEN HARD ENOUGH :lol

Why not pass him the fucking ball in the post once in a while. Pau really needs to GTFO of LA and do Kill Bill-style revenge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2012, 12:19:34 AM
Thunder were impressive in this series decapitating the Lakers. Thunder and Spurs will be a fun series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 22, 2012, 12:19:49 AM
Reggie Miller seems to forget that the Lakers got annihilated in the playoffs last year, WITH Jackson, Odom and Fisher - what is all this passing the torch bullshit
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 22, 2012, 12:21:19 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2012, 12:19:34 AM
Thunder were impressive in this series decapitating the Lakers. Thunder and Spurs will be a fun series.

not gonna stick yer neck out and give us a prediction? I say 4-2 Spurs. Agree that it will be entertaining but only for stretches. I think a few of the games at least won't be very competitive.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 22, 2012, 12:27:51 AM
(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1132648/lakersgm_medium.gif)

:rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 22, 2012, 12:28:12 AM
The Lakers made it as far as the Clippers.

Let's marinate over that for a minute.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: pilonv1 on May 22, 2012, 12:30:11 AM
Spurs/Thunder is going to be great.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 22, 2012, 12:30:52 AM
Fuck it, I'm going rogue bitches:

Thunder in 7.  :o

Heat Thunder in the Finals.  Thunder in 6.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 22, 2012, 12:35:16 AM
There is this team called the Spurs you see
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 22, 2012, 12:37:46 AM
I know  :lol

As much as  the Spurs look unstoppable, they're just so fucking boring to watch.  Everything looks...too calculated.  I know that's a bitch excuse, but I never really enjoyed watching the Spurs play.  Pop is just too good of a coach  :lol

Plus Thunder/Heat will be exciting as shit game by game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 22, 2012, 12:41:41 AM
The Spurs are great to watch, I don't get it. Manu is probably the most creative guard in the league*, and Parker is wildly entertaining. The only reason they are boring this year is because they keep blowing everyone out.

edit - Forgot about Rondo!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 22, 2012, 12:45:26 AM
I suppose.  This is coming from a guy who's last real experience closely watching the Spurs was in the Cavs/Spurs Finals where I was rooting for Lebron, and it was just zzzz all series.

As much as I respect how good they are, I just find them, Duncan especially, so uninteresting to watch.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: pilonv1 on May 22, 2012, 12:48:00 AM
You can only think the Spurs are boring if you don't like passing or sharing the ball. No hero ball in San Antonio
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2012, 12:48:22 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 22, 2012, 12:21:19 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2012, 12:19:34 AM
Thunder were impressive in this series decapitating the Lakers. Thunder and Spurs will be a fun series.

not gonna stick yer neck out and give us a prediction? I say 4-2 Spurs. Agree that it will be entertaining but only for stretches. I think a few of the games at least won't be very competitive.

Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2012, 01:20:45 AM
I'll take the Spurs in 5 or 6 over the Thunder. Let's go with 6 just to give the Thunder some credit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 22, 2012, 12:48:37 AM
Guilty as charged
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2012, 12:51:38 AM
This isn't the old spurs who were very effective but not the most aesthetically appealing offensive team. This is a great offensive squad to watch imo if you like offense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 22, 2012, 01:22:05 AM
I'm just ready for a new team to win.  Whether it be the Heat or the Thunder.  I'm tired of the Lakers and Spurs winning everything.  Since 2000, 8 of the Finals winners were either the Lakers or Spurs.  Fuck that, that's a terrible trend for the NBA.  These up and coming teams need their own fucking rings, for god's sake.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 22, 2012, 01:22:43 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2012, 12:48:22 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 22, 2012, 12:21:19 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2012, 12:19:34 AM
Thunder were impressive in this series decapitating the Lakers. Thunder and Spurs will be a fun series.

not gonna stick yer neck out and give us a prediction? I say 4-2 Spurs. Agree that it will be entertaining but only for stretches. I think a few of the games at least won't be very competitive.

Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2012, 01:20:45 AM
I'll take the Spurs in 5 or 6 over the Thunder. Let's go with 6 just to give the Thunder some credit.

gotcha!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 22, 2012, 01:27:24 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 22, 2012, 01:22:05 AM
I'm just ready for a new team to win.  Whether it be the Heat or the Thunder.  I'm tired of the Lakers and Spurs winning everything.  Since 2000, 8 of the Finals winners were either the Lakers or Spurs.  Fuck that, that's a terrible trend for the NBA.  These up and coming teams need their own fucking rings, for god's sake.

This is only true to the extent that the 2012 Spurs resemble the 1999 Spurs (only Duncan and Popovich remain, offhand...) or the 2012 Lakers resemble the 2000 Lakers (only Kobe remains - not that the Lakers are winning again anytime soon of course).  Or the 2011 Mavs and the 2006 Mavs - only Dirk and Terry remained. I could go on of course. It's a philosopher's ax issue.

The NBA seems to be doing just fine. There are lots of new fans of the Thunder and Heat-haters and whatever being generated every season, whether those teams win it all or not. Ratings don't need to be high all the way to the last game of the finals for a season to be a raging success.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 22, 2012, 01:32:19 AM
The fact remains though: it's a Lakers Spurs world and has been for the better part of 12 years.  It's tiring.

I don't mind if the Spurs win, but I'll be disappointed that legitimately exciting and young teams don't win.  Thunder especially.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 22, 2012, 01:34:46 AM
just putting it out there - as good as the Celtics looked in games 3 and 5 (both blowouts), the Sixers are winning game 6 and the Celtics game 7. I am equally convinced of both. They remind me a lot of the 'if it ain't ruff it ain't right' Pistons this year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Mandark on May 22, 2012, 01:41:50 AM
New teams like Miami?  In the last seven years, Wade or LeBron have been in three of the Finals and the Heat have been in two; the Spurs have been in just one.  :smug
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 22, 2012, 01:41:59 AM
I think the Sixers are going to be a huuuuge threat next year
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 22, 2012, 01:47:08 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 22, 2012, 01:32:19 AM
The fact remains though: it's a Lakers Spurs world and has been for the better part of 12 years.  It's tiring.

I don't mind if the Spurs win, but I'll be disappointed that legitimately exciting and young teams don't win.  Thunder especially.

Or the Spurs in 1999? Or the Lakers in 2000? :teehee

You'd be bored by the Thunder if they won 4 titles in 10 years or something, admit it
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 22, 2012, 01:48:03 AM
Well, duh.

I just want Lebron to get one  :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 22, 2012, 01:48:16 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 22, 2012, 01:41:59 AM
I think the Sixers are going to be a huuuuge threat next year

How exactly? Is LeBron agitating to go there?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 22, 2012, 01:49:02 AM
Kind of a toss-up today as to who is facing reality less: BrandNew or Kobe
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 22, 2012, 01:55:05 AM
The Leastern conference.  Rose is out most of the year, Miami will be the number one seed.  The Pacers, Celtics, and Sixers are the only other teams that will be threats next season, really.

Also, shut up I just like talking about this shit  :'(
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Post by: Cormacaroni on May 22, 2012, 02:02:44 AM
a huuuuuge threat to come in, at best 3rd in the Leastern Conference? OK. I don't really see how they'll get better though. They have no lottery pick, and it's not like any of their current roster is all that good at anything other than defense. Their leading scorer comes off the bench. I daresay the Knicks will be better, assuming Lin returns. The Pacers will almost certainly be better, with cap space and lots of assets to trade or sign-and-trade.

The Celtics will likely get blown up, unless Ainge sees something really special over the next few weeks.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 22, 2012, 02:12:03 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 22, 2012, 02:02:44 AM
a huuuuuge threat to come in, at best 3rd in the Leastern Conference? OK. I don't really see how they'll get better though. They have no lottery pick, and it's not like any of their current roster is all that good at anything other than defense. Their leading scorer comes off the bench. I daresay the Knicks will be better, assuming Lin returns. The Pacers will almost certainly be better, with cap space and lots of assets to trade or sign-and-trade.

The Celtics will likely get blown up, unless Ainge sees something really special over the next few weeks.

I'm betting you the Sixers will be the second seed.

Miami
Philly
Indy
NY
Boston
CHi
MIL
ATL
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Post by: Cormacaroni on May 22, 2012, 02:13:26 AM
I don't need your money, BN :lol
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 22, 2012, 02:14:14 AM
I need yours  :'(
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 22, 2012, 02:44:26 AM
The Pistons will be contenders before the Sixers
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Post by: Human Snorenado on May 22, 2012, 03:10:32 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 22, 2012, 02:44:26 AM
The Pistons will be contenders before the Sixers

To contend, wouldn't they need to make the playoffs first?  :teehee
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Post by: CajoleJuice on May 22, 2012, 03:51:05 PM
I'm cool with Spurs in 6.

And that Hardwood Paroxysm blog linked earlier to the rescue again, with regards to the Spurs:

http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2012/05/17/black-coffee-steely-dan-and-the-bland-refined-flavor-of-the-san-antonio-spurs/
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Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2012, 06:59:34 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/7959318/2012-nba-playoffs-miami-heat-dwyane-wade-lebron-james-take-issue-indiana-pacers-danny-granger

Funny enough I was gonna post about Granger in this series even before I saw this article. He's been acting like Billy Badass the entire series for some reason. And nobody in the world thinks of Granger as some kind of tough guy so I don't understand it.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on May 22, 2012, 08:27:28 PM
it is a bit weird - the Pacers need him on the floor too. It's not like Reggie Evans instigating techs...
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Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2012, 09:22:06 PM
Do or die for indy in the 2nd half or the series is effectively over.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 22, 2012, 09:30:38 PM
Haslem should be tossed
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 22, 2012, 10:24:47 PM
Lebron and Wade just stylin' on a Granger-less Pacers.  This shit looks even easier than their wins against the Knicks.

Can't wait for a Celtics Heat series.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on May 22, 2012, 11:09:21 PM
you can't be suggesting that the #2 in East 2013 Philadelpha 76ers will lose to the Celtics now can you
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Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2012, 11:30:40 PM
Haslem will probably be suspended the next game although I thought the Pittman foul was far worse.

I don't think it matters though. Unlike the earlier games, the Pacers will seems to be broken and more importantly their offense has stalled and Miami has upped their defense.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on May 23, 2012, 12:00:28 AM
Amazing what a difference a bit of floor-spacing makes eh. LeBron and Wade can just wreak havoc with even competent 3pt shooting. Just imagine if they'd picked up, say, two or three Steve Novaks or Matt Bonners rather than Miller or Battier. Hollinger had a good line about how Riley has an irrational devotion to (perceived) hard workers like Zo or Haslem or Battier rather than players who are demonstrably productive but maybe don't dial it up to 10 in practice or on every single play vs the Raptors in mid-January...it explains a lot, really. Overpaying for sheer grit is good for the culture but doesn't necessarily result in a well-built (i.e. varied and flexible) team.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 23, 2012, 12:35:10 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 22, 2012, 11:09:21 PM
you can't be suggesting that the #2 in East 2013 Philadelpha 76ers will lose to the Celtics now can you

:teehee
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Post by: Cormacaroni on May 23, 2012, 02:46:31 AM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7951536/2012-nba-playoffs-miami-heat-los-angeles-lakers-showing-big-three-model-faults

This is patently daft, given the teams surviving in the playoffs - The Spurs, Heat, Celtics, Thunder. Anyone think the Pacers or the Sixers are gonna win? Thought not. That'll leave us with a Big 3 (Big 3 in Boston being Rondo, KG, Pierce, sorry Ray) in every single team still playing.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 23, 2012, 03:00:31 AM
Who's the third man in OKC, Ibaka or Harden?
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Post by: Cormacaroni on May 23, 2012, 03:12:36 AM
Well, let's see, one of them is an All-Star level player and has a big bushy beard and the other blocks a lot of shots
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Post by: etiolate on May 23, 2012, 03:16:39 AM
I think Harden is the 2nd most important guy on that Thunder squad.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on May 23, 2012, 03:21:36 AM
It's a hell of a question, that...certainly when he's on the floor and Westbrook is on the bench, he's their most important player. Harden plays PG and Durant becomes the secondary option. Any one of them can carry the team for whole quarters, which is my definition of a superstar. They're all incredibly important and have very different strengths. In terms of sheer talent, I think it's Durant > Westbrook > Harden but their relative impact on the game rises and falls from quarter to quarter.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on May 23, 2012, 03:28:50 AM
People are just beginning to get to grips with how scary good those three are (all this nonsense about them breaking through when they already got to the WCF LAST YEAR...) so perhaps it's easier to understand if you imagine Dirk, Wade and Manu Ginobili all on the same team in their athletic primes (but not yet at the peak of their skills).
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Post by: Mandark on May 23, 2012, 03:53:13 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 23, 2012, 12:00:28 AM
Amazing what a difference a bit of floor-spacing makes eh. LeBron and Wade can just wreak havoc with even competent 3pt shooting. Just imagine if they'd picked up, say, two or three Steve Novaks or Matt Bonners rather than Miller or Battier. Hollinger had a good line about how Riley has an irrational devotion to (perceived) hard workers like Zo or Haslem or Battier rather than players who are demonstrably productive but maybe don't dial it up to 10 in practice or on every single play vs the Raptors in mid-January...it explains a lot, really. Overpaying for sheer grit is good for the culture but doesn't necessarily result in a well-built (i.e. varied and flexible) team.

Well, Miller and Battier were meant to be the floor-spacers.  They both had good career 3P%, only to crater when they joined Miami (though Miller's bounced back this season).  Plus they were meant to bring some other skills to the table, like defense for Battier and auxiliary ballhandling from Miller.  One-dimensional shooters like Novak are sometimes deemed not worth it by pretty smart people; in Tim Legler's last season he hit a couple big 3's for the Spurs in the Finals and an international reporter asked Pop why he didn't play Legler more, and Popovich looked at the guy like he was an idiot.

The problem for Miami isn't that they didn't try to sign shooters, but that they overpaid for older role players who couldn't live up to their reputations, like when the Cavs signed Donyell Marshall, or when the Hornets gave James Posey $24 million after his year with the Celtics.

The Spurs, meanwhile, manage to find good shooters who are dirt cheap, young-ish, can contribute in other ways, and can compliment their (youngish, cheap, contributing) big men. But any time we talk about how the Spurs run things compared to other teams it feels like we're doing Goofus and Gallant.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on May 23, 2012, 03:56:25 AM
Think we're on the same page there, Mandark
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Post by: etiolate on May 23, 2012, 03:57:34 AM
I wonder how much appeasing the team superstar comes into what type of role players you get. Whenever I hear a team is in "win now" mode to help their star, it normally ends in overpaying for older, bigger name guys that break down. It didn't ever feel like the Spurs were in a desperate mode even though Duncan's been in his twilight for a few seasons. Maybe I am just not remembering it at the moment. They did go after Richard Jefferson I suppose. Leonard is basically everything RJ was supposed to be but cheaper.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on May 23, 2012, 04:06:58 AM
There was never any question of Duncan going elsewhere, even in his brief flirtation with the Magic, so I doubt they ever felt pressure to sign anyone on his behalf. The Spurs haven't really overpaid for anybody except Jefferson that I can remember. And Duncan, like KG, is playing better than he has in 3 or 4 years at least so his twilight may not even be upon us yet. I bet Manu is out of the league first actually...

Lots of teams have shot themselves in the foot in the way you describe - I think the Raptors signings when Vince threatened to leave where among the worst ever.
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Post by: Mandark on May 23, 2012, 04:12:07 AM
On the topic of spacing for halfcourt offense GOD DAMN but the Spurs are a well-oiled machine.  I know this is nothing new, but I hardly got to watch them during the regular season.

Surrounding their Big 3 with shooters isn't a new idea, but the way they play is so much more dynamic than it used to be.  The way I remember their series against the Pistons was either they'd throw it in to Duncan or have Parker/Ginobili create from the top of the key, usually on a pick and roll, and if they drew multiple defenders towards the basket they'd pass to an open man outside, who would usually keep it moving around the 3-point line and they'd get an open three.  It was predictable but effective.

But now?  It seems like everybody on the roster is either a guard who can shoot or a big who can catch the ball and finish at the rim, and their pick and roll plays just attack the basket from all sorts of angles.  Everybody seems to know how to work with everyone else, and if anyone's not moving it's because they're spacing the floor for the guy with the ball.  The really basic principles haven't changed, but the offense seems so much more complex and varied.  Now I'm kicking myself for missing out and hoping they keep it up next year.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on May 23, 2012, 04:17:30 AM
told ya
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Post by: Stoney Mason on May 23, 2012, 08:29:35 AM
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Pacers: Bird calls his team S-O-F-T
5 hours ago | Written by Mike Wells
MIAMI – Indiana Pacers president Larry Bird doesn’t do a lot of interviews. He prefers to stay in the background and let his players get the attention.

But when Bird talks, you listen.

That was the case about two hours after the Pacers suffered the worst playoff loss in franchise history – 115-83 – in Game 5 against the Miami Heat.

“I can’t believe my team went soft,” Bird said on the phone. “S-O-F-T. I’m disappointed. I never thought it would happen.”

When asked to elaborate on those comments, an obviously frustrated Bird said, “That’s all I have to say.”

Those are the strongest words I’ve ever heard Bird say about his team – good or bad – in my seven-plus years of covering the Pacers.

Yahoo! Sports’ Adrian Wojnarowski tweeted, “you knew Larry Bird wasn’t going to sit this one out.”

Bird, who played in 164 playoff games during his Hall of Fame career with the Boston Celtics, sat in his seat at American Airlines Arena fuming as he watched what was once a confident Pacers team early in series get softer as each second went off the clock against the Heat on Tuesday.

As center Roy Hibbert put it, LeBron and Wade were having an “And-1 mix tape out there. They were just dunking, having fun and doing whatever the hell they wanted.”

I was watching SportsCenter in my hotel room and lost count how many highlight reel plays from James and Wade that they showed.

Wade and James have run circles around the Pacers in their three victories in the series. It’s like somebody’s controlling the two All Stars on the video game NBA Jam. That’s how easy it’s been for those two.

Danny Granger’s sprained left ankle can’t be used as the reason behind the Pacers’ brutal performance.

They likely weren’t going to win with him in the lineup.

His loss just made things even worse for the Pacers.

Granger’s injury was the perfect opportunity for Paul George to show he’s ready to take the next step.

National television. Against two of the best wing players in the world. And in the playoffs.

Nope, he scored nine points on 2-of-9 shooting in the second half.

I know Heat big men Udonis Haslem and Dexter Pittman like to deliver flagrant fouls (both of those should have been flagrant 2’s), but remember when the Pacers used to throw the ball into the post to Hibbert and West?

The two have combined for 36 points in the past two games.

“They knew we were going to pound the ball inside,” Frank Vogel said. “That was been a challenge for us all series. They stepped up their defense and put more focus on our inside game. We certainly didn’t play well in the second half.”

Bird has spoken. Now we’ll see if his players respond to being publicly embarrassed – on the court and by their president – or if they’ll curl up in the fetal position in Game 6 on Thursday.

If they do, the Pacers can go ahead and start their summer vacation now to avoid another embarrassing loss.

http://blogs.indystar.com/pacersinsider/2012/05/23/pacers-bird-calls-his-team-s-o-f-t/
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Post by: Cormacaroni on May 23, 2012, 07:54:46 PM
No-one cares about the Celtics vs #2 Eastern Conf 2013 76ers then :'(

I am so sure the Cs are gonna cough this one up, before taking game 7 in a nail-biter. It's hard to imagine any kind of offensive streak lasting with this team. But you should all watch for the Rondo anyway. Maybe he'll get traded to the Lakers or something and people will care about how freakin' insanely good this kid is.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 23, 2012, 07:59:54 PM
Damn straight, mark it down yo,  2013 #2 seed!

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I have to stick to that  :(
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Post by: Cormacaroni on May 23, 2012, 08:27:11 PM
hey, maybe Evan Turner will learn to dribble and/or shoot
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 23, 2012, 08:57:05 PM
maybe even speak!
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Post by: Stoney Mason on May 23, 2012, 08:58:33 PM
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The NBA has come down hard on Miami Heat players Udonis Haslem and Dexter Pittman, suspending them for retaliatory flagrant fouls during Game 5 of their playoff series with the Indiana Pacers on Tuesday night.

Eastern Conference Playoffs
Get all the news and commentary on the Heat-Pacers matchup on ESPN.com's matchup page.

Haslem was suspended by NBA executive vice president Stu Jackson for Thursday's Game 6 and Pittman was suspended for three games. Pacers forward Tyler Hansbrough, who also committed a flagrant foul on Heat star Dwyane Wade, had his foul upgraded to a flagrant foul 2 from a flagrant 1, but he avoided suspension.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on May 23, 2012, 09:00:45 PM
Dr Shaq wants to run the Magic, wow.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 23, 2012, 09:07:11 PM
they upgraded hansbrough's to a flagrant 2?  that's stupid.

also, really sucks haslem is out.  he's been hitting jumpers pretty well the last two games.  wonder if battier can step up again.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on May 23, 2012, 09:18:22 PM
absolutely gruesome game so far, 33-31 at the half. Like watching WWI trench warfare.
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Post by: Smooth Groove on May 23, 2012, 09:20:09 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7964203/lebron-james-miami-heat-leads-way-nba-all-defensive-team

Dwyane Wade should have a spot
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 23, 2012, 09:28:05 PM
Ibaka being on there is a joke
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Post by: Cormacaroni on May 23, 2012, 11:10:25 PM
Cs shoot 33%, worst in the Big 3 era. Why am I always so fucking right.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 23, 2012, 11:24:02 PM
Sixers #2 seed  8)
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Post by: Cormacaroni on May 23, 2012, 11:33:05 PM
 Anytime I can bait you into repeating that in public, I count as a win 8)
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 23, 2012, 11:40:07 PM
If it happens next season, you're totes my bitch for the offseason
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Post by: Cormacaroni on May 23, 2012, 11:42:40 PM
oh sure but it's wildly unlikely unless they score a major trade or something. There is no reasonable basis that I can see for expecting them to improve. If anything, Collins has them playing above their talent level right now, and they could backslide if they burn out on him and someone else is installed.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 24, 2012, 12:17:43 AM
They're a very young team that plays pretty good team basketball.  No major stars or anything; they're neither too strong or too weak in any department.  I think Collins is a good enough coach to realize this teams potential and elevate them to a serious threat in the east.  2 is obviously stretching it, but I could definitely see a 5, 4, or 3.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on May 24, 2012, 12:29:28 AM
They are elevated as high as they can get, for a bunch of marginal talents that can't score to save their lives :lol

They are getting by on athleticism and hustle on defense but there is no upside there. They won't get any BETTER at defense by getting a year older or being coached by the same guy for a 3rd year. As long as they are near the bottom of the league in scoring, they're not moving upward.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 24, 2012, 12:33:02 AM
Hmm.  Yeah I suppose.  Turner keeps showing glimpses of greatness, so I think he gets better next season.  And to me, a good defense ALWAYS should be priority to effective offense.  We saw them keep the Celtics to 70ish points tonight.  Of course, that was a fluke (the C's missed a bunch of open shots), but if they can keep teams to around 80-85 points a game, they ALWAYS have an opportunity to win those games.

Shut up, I just like the 76ers  :lol
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Post by: Cormacaroni on May 24, 2012, 01:37:06 AM
Clearly John Hollinger hates BrandNew - from the 'Whose stock is in decline?' column today (my bolding):

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Evan Turner, Sixers: The casual inference is that because Philly moved Turner into the starting lineup and made a deep playoff run, Turner must be making a strong impact.

Er, not so much.

Turner is shooting 35.6 percent and has not made a 3-pointer the entire playoffs. Combine that with his low rate of free throw attempts, and he has the third-worst true shooting percentage of any player with at least 150 playoff minutes. (The other two are coming up in a second here.) Although Turner provides his usual phenomenal rebounding from the wing, his defense has been shaky and his offensive role far too prominent for his production.

Turner had the worst adjusted plus/minus on the Sixers in the regular season and does again in the playoffs, according to basketballvalue.com. One wonders whether and when the Sixers will consider a move back to Game 4 catalyst Jodie Meeks to put a higher-percentage shooting option on the floor. - http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2012/story/_/page/PERDiem-120523/nba-playoffs-players-stock-declining
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 24, 2012, 01:38:42 AM
uh, well, like, but, um...

intangibles dude!
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Post by: Cormacaroni on May 24, 2012, 01:59:20 AM
I like the Sixers too, and there are times when Turner looks like a young Tracy McGrady. But they are still very few and far between. And a lot of players look like being great for brief flashes....very few of them ever make an All-Star team. Just to pick a totally random example - there are Raptors fans right now trying to talk themselves into the idea that DeMar DeRozan will be the next big thing at the 2 guard in a few years. I'm not gonna say it'll never happen, but there are a ton of guys like Turner that will never amount of jack shit.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 24, 2012, 08:51:28 PM
Heat and Pacers on.

Indy resorting to shame ball pretty early in this.  I'm drowning in fuck
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Post by: Cormacaroni on May 24, 2012, 09:03:00 PM
LeBron and Wade could combine for 40 and lose this game :lol They just have no other scoring.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 24, 2012, 10:31:56 PM
Wades having a great game
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 24, 2012, 11:27:49 PM
2013 #2 seed is winning game 7.  You heard it here first  8)
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 24, 2012, 11:33:27 PM
oh noes Miami is imploding, they've never been a good team, they're lucky to have made the playoffs etc etc
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Post by: Cormacaroni on May 24, 2012, 11:39:37 PM
from @tomhaberstroh on twitter - Over last three games: LeBron+Wade 197, Pacers' entire starting lineup 184.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 24, 2012, 11:50:01 PM
holy fuck :rofl
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Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2012, 11:53:01 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 24, 2012, 10:31:56 PM
Wades having a great game

That was his best game in a really long time. Amazing FG%.

Miami versus Boston should be interesting although I'm rooting for a 76ers fluke win because they suck and Miami would roll them easily.
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Post by: etiolate on May 24, 2012, 11:53:29 PM
I was sort of looking forward to the media meltdown if they didn't have Miami around to cruise on with prewritten material.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on May 25, 2012, 12:13:02 AM
The Celtics are sooooooo banged up by now, I don't think they have any more than a 10% chance of beating the Heat. Wade or LeBron would have to get hurt or miss games, basically. They still have no answer for Rondo or KG but Bradley was their best hope against Wade, and he's out for the season now. Ray Allen's ankles are fucked and he can't stay in front of anybody or shoot, so that leaves Pietrus. Pierce has a strained MCL that has him at around 70%. He'll soldier on and get his, but no way is he going to hold LeBron below his usual output. The Cs also lack any kind of outside threat other than Pierce, so Boston will likely be able to pack it in and keep Rondo/KG from scoring much in the paint.

Still, for much of the season I thought they were gone in the 1st round, so even making it this far is some kind of an accomplishment for an old squad in a compacted schedule. (aside - KG and Tim Duncan, racking up 20-10s after that season? How?!)
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Post by: etiolate on May 25, 2012, 12:28:01 AM
Yeah, Rondo will have to have a legendary series for the Celtics to win that match-up.
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Post by: Smooth Groove on May 25, 2012, 12:42:37 AM
http://www.nba.com/2012/news/05/24/all-NBA-teams/

Kobe garners most points at guard with a 21.0 PER

Basketball writers are as bad as Baseball HOF voters. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 25, 2012, 10:21:24 AM
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The totals for the last three games, the Heat's reversal from the brink after falling down 2-1, are wild. James averaged 32.7 points, 11.3 rebounds and eight assists on 55 percent shooting. Wade averaged 33 points (he scored 99 in the three games, James 98), 7.3 rebounds and 3.7 assists on 62 percent shooting.


Also

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John Hollinger ‏@johnhollinger
Miami now gets a bye to the NBA Finals, where they await the winner of OKC-San Antonio.

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 25, 2012, 02:04:45 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on May 25, 2012, 12:42:37 AM
http://www.nba.com/2012/news/05/24/all-NBA-teams/

Kobe garners most points at guard with a 21.0 PER

Basketball writers are as bad as Baseball HOF voters.

Melo over Aldridge?
Chandler over Duncan or Al Jefferson,?
Rondo?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 25, 2012, 02:07:30 PM
Kobe is like evolution. The majority of experts(players, coaches, GMs, experts) have validated his place in NBA lore endlessly. However, there is a faction of people who refuse to accept him, and find whatever reasons to discredit him.

 :smug
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 25, 2012, 09:08:46 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 25, 2012, 10:21:24 AM
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The totals for the last three games, the Heat's reversal from the brink after falling down 2-1, are wild. James averaged 32.7 points, 11.3 rebounds and eight assists on 55 percent shooting. Wade averaged 33 points (he scored 99 in the three games, James 98), 7.3 rebounds and 3.7 assists on 62 percent shooting.

Also

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John Hollinger ‏@johnhollinger
Miami now gets a bye to the NBA Finals, where they await the winner of OKC-San Antonio.

 :lol

Well, they've basically had a bye to the Finals since Rose went down, and even then I had picked them to make it. But yeah, watching this Sixers-Celtics series would make any observer think that they are the two worst teams of all time, while the last 3 games of Heat-Pacers would have you convinced that Zeus and Apollo have descended to the world of man to teach us how to play basketball
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 25, 2012, 09:12:39 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on May 25, 2012, 02:07:30 PM
Kobe is like evolution. The majority of experts(players, coaches, GMs, experts) have validated his place in NBA lore endlessly. However, there is a faction of people who refuse to accept him, and find whatever reasons to discredit him.

 :smug

So Lebron is God?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 25, 2012, 10:22:57 PM
Which other All-NBA player would be out of the playoffs in the 2nd round for the 2nd year running with Bynum and Gasol backing him up?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 26, 2012, 12:22:30 AM
a li'l tidbit from the Professor to illustrate just what a big deal it is for the Cs to lose Bradley's defense right now

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'The Sixers have averaged 86.0 points per 100 possessions with Bradley on the court and 102.8 with him off it, according to NBA.com's advanced stats tool (which also the source of the other goodies you'll see further down).'

The guy is an absolute MONSTER.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Playing like a Boss. Its the Spurs World)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 27, 2012, 12:53:10 AM
Was a really ugly game and series to watch so I'm glad that 76ers and Celtics series is in the past now. Tomorrow is an amazing game though.

Spurs Thunder

 :hump
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Spurs versus Thunder in the real NBA Finals)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 27, 2012, 10:28:59 AM
God the Cs are gonna get rolled so bad by the Heat. 4-1, I say. Pierce and Allen should have had surgery and be on a beach already. KG has worn down from all the minutes and playing the 5. Even without Bosh, the Heat will have zero problems.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Spurs versus Thunder in the real NBA Finals)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 27, 2012, 07:55:32 PM
Today, America's hopes are crushed as the Thunder lose by 10.

Holling points out that the Spurs have gone 34 and 4 in the last 38 games Parker started (i.e. the ones Pop didn't tank - or try to).

Let's think about that. If they were in an unending series against a rotation of teams drawn from the entire league, the rest-of-league would have to play them 38 times in order to get 4 wins against them. The Thunder are way better than the average team, but they only get 7 chances at best.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Spurs versus Thunder in the real NBA Finals)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 27, 2012, 08:36:53 PM
Ugh, these playoffs have been horrible compared to last year. To me, the only suspenseful series was Clips-Grizz and everyone knew that one was ultimately meaningless.

oh well, game on :) Better than no game!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Spurs versus Thunder in the real NBA Finals)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 27, 2012, 08:46:05 PM
Fun stuff so far, banishing those horrible Sixers-Celtics memories real fast. Parker vs Westbrook is kerrazzzy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Spurs versus Thunder in the real NBA Finals)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 27, 2012, 08:55:40 PM
Kawhi Leonard's hands are enormous
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Spurs versus Thunder in the real NBA Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 27, 2012, 09:02:20 PM
Just got off battlefield to start watching.

Let's do this.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Spurs versus Thunder in the real NBA Finals)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 27, 2012, 09:50:47 PM
:lol Fisher is gettin' the love for killing the Spurs, flashbacks to 0.4 etc...

Cue Brooks falling in love with Fisher for the rest of the series and watching Tony Parker rack up video game numbers while Fisher fails to top 20% shooting the rest of the way.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Spurs versus Thunder in the real NBA Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 27, 2012, 11:17:45 PM
Thunder played well but the spurs are just too good.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Spurs versus Thunder in the real NBA Finals)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 27, 2012, 11:26:46 PM
Ginobili schooled Nu-Ginobili pretty hard
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Spurs versus Thunder in the real NBA Finals)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 28, 2012, 08:55:28 PM
Where are all my Heat-haters when I need you?? FFS!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Spurs versus Thunder in the real NBA Finals)
Post by: etiolate on May 28, 2012, 09:03:14 PM
I pretty much assume the Heat would lose to either SA or OKC, so their fight with Boston isn't as interesting.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Spurs versus Thunder in the real NBA Finals)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 28, 2012, 09:14:09 PM
It does seem like a foregone conclusion, but hey, a few more of the right ACLs snapping and the Celtics can totally take this!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Spurs versus Thunder in the real NBA Finals)
Post by: Mandark on May 28, 2012, 09:27:47 PM
A Pat Riley Heat team being involved in a bunch of ugly, defensive-minded series and the Western Conference representative being a forgone conclusion to win the Finals?

I'm getting all nostalgic in here.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Spurs versus Thunder in the real NBA Finals)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 28, 2012, 09:38:54 PM
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhrtkwJXZC1qbitl6.jpg)

technical on mandark for snark

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhrtkwJXZC1qbitl6.jpg)

just following the trend of this current game
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Spurs versus Thunder in the real NBA Finals)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 28, 2012, 09:49:03 PM
that's Joey, not Danny :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Spurs versus Thunder in the real NBA Finals)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 28, 2012, 09:49:44 PM
i have no fucking clue how the Cs got back in this. Just bizarre. I think i need to rewatch the whole 2nd quarter during the halftime break
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Spurs versus Thunder in the real NBA Finals)
Post by: pilonv1 on May 28, 2012, 09:54:10 PM
sorry I'm going to have to review your post Brand New
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Spurs versus Thunder in the real NBA Finals)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 28, 2012, 10:27:53 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 28, 2012, 09:49:03 PM
that's Joey, not Danny :lol

it was the first thing I found in google  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Spurs versus Thunder in the real NBA Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2012, 10:52:09 PM
I don't think it's automatic that the heat lose in the finals. In fact against the Thunder I'm not sure who I would pick. I think the Spurs will beat them especially if they don't get Bosh back but I'm interested in the finals either way even if the Spurs are the prohibitive favorites.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Spurs versus Thunder in the real NBA Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2012, 11:10:41 PM
For what it's worth I'll be impressed if the Heat sweep the Celtics because based of that first game and the current health of the celtics, it's certainly possible.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Spurs versus Thunder in the real NBA Finals)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 28, 2012, 11:22:35 PM
Well, i think the Celtics will avoid a sweep 'cause we've now had 4 straight incendiary games by LeBron and Wade at once. That has to revert to the mean. But I think it's gonna be 4-1 with 4-2 very unlikely.

We have to be careful about overreacting to the first game I guess, but it's hard to see the Celtics squeezing anything more out of KG, and Pierce and Allen are basically done for the season already. They need one of those crazy Rondo triple-double games to get a win.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Spurs versus Thunder in the real NBA Finals)
Post by: pilonv1 on May 28, 2012, 11:23:29 PM
Heat ripped apart Dallas in the first game too. Will wait til I've seen the heat make an adjustment before anointing them champs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Spurs versus Thunder in the real NBA Finals)
Post by: Mandark on May 28, 2012, 11:37:44 PM
Yeah, but this year's Celtics don't seem like last year's Mavs, and the Heat did roll the Celts (and Bulls) last year too.  It'd be nice if it turned into a series, but I think Cormac's right, and we'd need Rondomania/another injury/a mysterious LeBron swoon to make that happen.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Spurs versus Thunder in the real NBA Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2012, 11:41:09 PM
As always I'm one of the bigger Heat critics despite me rooting for them so I'm definitely not anointing anybody especially since I would pick the Spurs to win the title at this stage.

What I'm saying is the Celtics are worse than I thought. They are clearly hobbled and Bradley is gone. The way they struggled mightily against the 76ers is just a sign of how broken down they are at this stage. A true title contender would wax this team. If the heat want to prove they are, that's what they should do. Does anybody doubt the Spurs wouldn't have a crazy high probability of sweeping these Celtics. If the Heat want to try to prove they are at that level, here is at least a minor way to show it. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Spurs versus Thunder in the real NBA Finals)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 28, 2012, 11:46:22 PM
The Celtics have some interesting choices for the offseason now. KG looks fully healthy, bizarrely. He seems fully recovered from the knee injury, and back to his 2008 form. It sure looks like he has 2-3 good years left, but is only under contract for 1 more. If they can wrap him up cheap with an extension, they keep this window somewhat open (i.e. they allow any miracles like Rose's ACL to happen...) but they pretty much guarantee they won't be getting any lottery picks.

Alternatively, they can sell high on him right now. But he'd have to agree to a reasonable extension anywhere he went. Pierce is likely going to be a Celtic for life, unless Ainge is even more bloodthirsty than I think. If they'd failed to turn it around this season, maybe Ainge would have totally blown it up but that seems unlikely now. So, incredible as it may seem considering how I was thinking at the start of the season, we may even see another 2 years of this core, minus Ray (unless they resign him way below market value somehow...).

I think they're set in the back-court with Rondo and Bradley - neither are going to break the bank. Jeff Green may be back but I'm not a fan anyway. He'll be super-tough to trade now due to his heart problem.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Spurs versus Thunder in the real NBA Finals)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 28, 2012, 11:48:43 PM
The one glimmer of hope I got was when LeBron posed grinning under the basket before handing the ball back, right in KG's grill. It had more than a little hint of Wade's frontrunning shittalking against the Mavs. But as has been noted, the Celtics just don't have the firepower anymore, and their D isn't what it should be either. (It's not just that Bradley is gone; it's that they have to play Ray more minutes as a result).
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Spurs versus Thunder in the real NBA Finals)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 28, 2012, 11:54:08 PM
2013's #2 seed Philadelphia would've played the Heat better tonight than the Celtics
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Spurs versus Thunder in the real NBA Finals)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 29, 2012, 12:03:39 AM
if they hadn't been beaten by the Celtics, yes
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Spurs versus Thunder in the real NBA Finals)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 29, 2012, 12:06:47 AM
hey, you're up, may as well gloat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KDJjG_78VU

spoiler (click to show/hide)
KG will still have more rings than you at the end of the season
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Spurs versus Thunder in the real NBA Finals)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 29, 2012, 12:07:47 AM
Bron was a beast tonight.  Boston is gonna have to double him every single time if he starts hot again. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Spurs versus Thunder in the real NBA Finals)
Post by: pilonv1 on May 29, 2012, 01:15:52 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 28, 2012, 11:46:22 PM
Jeff Green may be back but I'm not a fan anyway. He'll be super-tough to trade now due to his heart problem.

Green's an unrestricted free agent so he probably wont be back.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Spurs versus Thunder in the real NBA Finals)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 29, 2012, 01:38:55 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on May 29, 2012, 12:07:47 AM
Bron was a beast tonight.  Boston is gonna have to double him every single time if he starts hot again. 

They basically were - KG was roaming free all night (what, he was supposed to guard Anthony or Turiaf?). Pierce just isn't mobile enough to slow him like he usually does.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Spurs versus Thunder in the real NBA Finals)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 29, 2012, 01:39:19 AM
Quote from: pilonv1 on May 29, 2012, 01:15:52 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 28, 2012, 11:46:22 PM
Jeff Green may be back but I'm not a fan anyway. He'll be super-tough to trade now due to his heart problem.

Green's an unrestricted free agent so he probably wont be back.

Great news!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Spurs versus Thunder in the real NBA Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 29, 2012, 07:41:16 PM
Will we get anymore Popovich gems tonight?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9MZHvIPgAY
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Spurs versus Thunder in the real NBA Finals)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 29, 2012, 10:44:30 PM
Did I mention that I've loved the Spurs since the Iceman days?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Spurs versus Thunder in the real NBA Finals)
Post by: etiolate on May 30, 2012, 12:33:39 AM
they should thank the kings for passing on kawhi leonard to take the mormon jordan
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Spurs versus Thunder in the real NBA Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2012, 12:41:25 AM
Well now the thunder's backs are against the wall and they have to win the next one or its over.


People just keep underestimating the spurs. Not the crazy basketball heads but the casual or mainstream basketball fans. I was talking to my brother on memorial day and he's a big basketball fan and older than me but he never watches the spurs. He like most basketball guys are still too caught up in the idea of superstars. Of a transcendent player like Jordan, Kobe, or Lebron being the only paradigm for winning a title. He still hasn't quite bought into the spurs yet. I was trying to tell him, dude just watch them. They are exceptional and should easily be the favorites no matter who eventually does win the title.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: pilonv1 on May 30, 2012, 02:19:51 AM
Quote from: etiolate on May 30, 2012, 12:33:39 AM
they should thank the kings for passing on kawhi leonard to take the mormon jordan

I wanted Leonard over Klay.

I've never been so happy to be wrong about a Warriors draft pick.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Mandark on May 30, 2012, 03:31:35 AM
Stoney: I've probably said this before, but I think the age of the stars and the early exits the last couple years are why they're getting underrated.  I've heard people say "I don't think they can keep up with the Thunder" or a variant of that over and over, even (especially?) from older fans.  There's not a huge precedent for a flagging former championship group to be rejuvenated by different role players and a new offensive system, so people aren't really going to wrap their heads around it until the Spurs presumably win the whole thing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 30, 2012, 04:39:33 AM
Not a huge precedent but it happened just last year with the Mavs. How many of the same fools refused to believe in the Mavs until they won....
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2012, 10:19:32 AM
To be honest I was one of those fools until like game 5 or something when it became crystal clear for me one team was clearly superior.  :-[

 Like most of America I kept waiting for the heat to "wake up" instead of actually analyzing what was going on. Especially since I was actively rooting for the Heat which were a form of blinders. The Mavs were just a tougher call because they weren't necessarily rolling people like the Spurs are and they didn't have a championship history to fall back on.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on May 30, 2012, 12:42:03 PM
I've never loved the Spurs as much as I do right now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Beezy on May 30, 2012, 02:44:57 PM
Duncan's dunk on Ibaka last night was lovely. I yelled so loud. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 30, 2012, 02:47:40 PM
That dunk reminded me of how long Duncan is.  He smashed that without jumping over 10 inches. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 30, 2012, 07:43:46 PM
Killer line from Grantland on the Spurs yesterday. I nodded furiously.

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Are we having fun yet? Has there ever been a more rhetorical question asked? Seriously, how low on Pop's list of priorities is Gary Neal's level of enjoyment? These guys wear black, flop, shut you down, and cut your heart out. They are not here for our enjoyment, much less their own. They are here to kick ass and win basketball games. And they are almost out of basketball games.

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/27984/nba-playoffs-shootaround-heat-and-spurs-pop-the-trunk-celtics-feel-the-reign-of-the-tech
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 30, 2012, 08:21:46 PM
oh hey, tonight we find out where the Brow lands. Got to be more fun than Celtics - Heat
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 30, 2012, 08:25:02 PM
oh god, it went to the Hornets.

We are NEVER gonna hear the end of this. Bobcats get #2. Suicide incoming ITT
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 30, 2012, 08:26:41 PM
It's not over yet.  The owners can still get Stern to veto his GM's pick of Anthony Davis. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 30, 2012, 08:27:44 PM
I bet he retroactively vetos the Chris Paul trade to send him back to the Hornets
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 30, 2012, 08:38:11 PM
It's probably a good thing for the Bobcats and Anthony Davis that Hornets have the #1.  You know the media would speculately endlessly over whether Davis is the 2nd Kwame the moment he fails to be spectaculr. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 30, 2012, 08:42:08 PM
No-one will see or hear of him again for 4-5 years now, so he's pretty much safe.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: pilonv1 on May 30, 2012, 08:50:42 PM
good jon Stern
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 30, 2012, 09:34:00 PM
We got RONdo tonight, hoo boy, just crushing them like he was Tony Parker
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: etiolate on May 30, 2012, 09:43:39 PM
the radio airwaves were a-flutter with conspiracy talk once the lotto went down

Though conspiracy is an ill fitting word. There's not that big a leap to take.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 30, 2012, 09:45:38 PM
Conspiracy is a daft word to be employing right now - statistically the Hornets had almost the same chance as the Bobcats. And you don't get much more small-market than Nawlins. Stern isn't going to risk the integrity of the league over a hairsplitting decision like Bobcats vs New Orleans.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 30, 2012, 09:46:04 PM
That said, I'm sure DJ Tet is apoplectic right now, too furious to type
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 30, 2012, 09:50:57 PM
It's amazing how good Rondo is when he can hit a few FT range jumpers. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: etiolate on May 30, 2012, 09:57:12 PM
Well the Bobcats still can take a MKG who looks like he could be just as good as Davis, but I'm not sure he fits the Cats as well and I think it'll take MKG years to develop. He's almost pure raw right now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 30, 2012, 09:57:32 PM
they might want to think about guarding him, yeesh. Still playing 10 feet off of him, 22pts in the half. This could be like when Nash dropped 50
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 30, 2012, 09:58:06 PM
Quote from: etiolate on May 30, 2012, 09:57:12 PM
Well the Bobcats still can take a MKG who looks like he could be just as good as Davis, but I'm not sure he fits the Cats as well and I think it'll take MKG years to develop. He's almost pure raw right now.

no-one fits the 'Cats. Actual young Michael Jordan couldn't win with that team
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 30, 2012, 10:41:34 PM
....and they're playing up on Rondo and suddenly the Heat are crushing. Why am I always so fucking right.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: etiolate on May 30, 2012, 10:43:11 PM
There's just no reliable offense on the Celts anymore.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 30, 2012, 10:44:30 PM
well, KG is reliable, but there is a limit to how many times they can go to him. If that is what you meant.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: etiolate on May 30, 2012, 10:46:51 PM
KG still has off games. I guess I mean they don't have a guy who can carry their offense, but I also wonder if KG can get them 25 every night in the playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 30, 2012, 10:57:49 PM
Only 5 players averaged 25 in the post-season so far so that's a bit unrealistic at this point, yes.

Pierce could absolutely still carry them were he not hurt (see game 2 vs the Hawks for example). Allen is past carrying them. So it has to be KG & Rondo every night now, and man, have they struggled.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 30, 2012, 11:05:24 PM
rondo is so fucking good
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 30, 2012, 11:05:31 PM
whoa this is getting real intense, Boston clinging to a lead somehow
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 30, 2012, 11:08:42 PM
I wish Lebron would've posted up more in this game.  He's either going to get a foul or get the basket, with a low percentage of him actually missing without a foul.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2012, 11:08:45 PM
Boston will most likely win this. They still have no hope for the series but yet again they expose the weaknesses of the heat.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 30, 2012, 11:10:30 PM
'We have nothing to say here. Nothing. We have to go get it'

:bow Doc Rivers :bow2

No fucking pop pysch nonsense like Spoelstra
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2012, 11:11:54 PM
Maybe celts choke it away...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 30, 2012, 11:13:34 PM
I still think the Heat take this.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 30, 2012, 11:13:59 PM
horrible, horrible lazy foul from Pietrus, after doing much the same with that clear path foul earlier
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 30, 2012, 11:14:37 PM
you guys are fucking hilarious by the way :lol

I can see the scoreboard myself you know
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2012, 11:16:11 PM
Brutal. Boston dun goofed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 30, 2012, 11:18:16 PM
Haslem has been really clutch for the Heat in the last 7 games or so.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 30, 2012, 11:20:30 PM
Clutch? I think you are overrating his role in the offense a tad. Give credit to the guy who created the open shot, not Haslem.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 30, 2012, 11:22:14 PM
So are the Celtics gonna win it again now guys, tell me :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 30, 2012, 11:22:41 PM
Perhaps, but when this is a team where 90 percent of the offense hinges on Wade and Lebron, him hitting several jumpers is pretty big.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 30, 2012, 11:25:05 PM
woo!  OT!!

poor lebron :(  Would've loved to see him hit that last shot, silence a bunch of haters
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: bachikarn on May 30, 2012, 11:25:35 PM
OT favors Miami, especially since Pierce fouled out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2012, 11:25:35 PM
Dumb last play. I don't want Lebron taking a long jumper to try to win the game. Try calling a real play you shitty coach.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 30, 2012, 11:26:01 PM
Lebron almost stalked Rondo like some animal, still couldn't get it in :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 30, 2012, 11:27:44 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2012, 11:25:35 PM
Dumb last play. I don't want Lebron taking a long jumper to try to win the game. Try calling a real play you shitty coach.

I can't see why you're blaming Spo on rebound last-shot chance.  He didn't draw that up, he prepared for that open Bron lay-up, which missed as well.  Shit was all on Lebron.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: etiolate on May 30, 2012, 11:28:06 PM
come on

Don't foul. Force Lebron to make a jumper. It's crunch time. Take the odds.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 30, 2012, 11:29:53 PM
oh god this fucking GAME i may die
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: etiolate on May 30, 2012, 11:31:05 PM
RONDO ommmmmg
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 30, 2012, 11:32:01 PM
rondo is exactly the type of player I love watching
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2012, 11:32:11 PM
Crazy amazing game for Rondo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 30, 2012, 11:33:21 PM
this FTs are the closest thing to rest Rondo is getting
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 30, 2012, 11:35:17 PM
LeBrondo jump ball

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 30, 2012, 11:35:34 PM
damn, rondo just goofed lebron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 30, 2012, 11:36:00 PM
LeBrondo :rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: etiolate on May 30, 2012, 11:36:46 PM
dat nba officiating
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 30, 2012, 11:37:55 PM
yeah, that was bad. Still, the Cs got a free point from that Rondo 2pt'er earlier
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 30, 2012, 11:37:59 PM
there is plenty of time for rondo to fuck that chicken

edit: they took that point away cormac
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 30, 2012, 11:38:32 PM
Rondo needs to drive again, to get the make-up FT call
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 30, 2012, 11:39:47 PM
goddamn, amazing man-sized play from Wade.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 30, 2012, 11:41:03 PM
Wade bailing Lebron out, but eh, oh well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2012, 11:41:57 PM
'twas a crazy entertaining game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 30, 2012, 11:43:31 PM
jesus, the game is basically over and rondo STILL fucking being amazing  :lol

41 points.  good fucking GOD.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: etiolate on May 30, 2012, 11:45:20 PM
And I'm done with the playoffs

I don't want to contribute to the NBA making money in any way. So much continuous bullshit every playoffs.

Amazing game by Rondo, but the NBA manages to ruin a great game with its persistent and obvious shenanigans.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 30, 2012, 11:45:28 PM
keep the fuckers scared 'til the end, Rondo :bow
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 30, 2012, 11:47:12 PM
keep qq'in etiolate

Rondo is top 5 in the league.  good lord.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2012, 11:47:15 PM
Quote from: etiolate on May 30, 2012, 11:45:20 PM
And I'm done with the playoffs

I don't want to contribute to the NBA making money in any way. So much continuous bullshit every playoffs.

Amazing game by Rondo, but the NBA manages to ruin a great game with its persistent and obvious shenanigans.

You'll continue to watch, post and complain like you always do.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 30, 2012, 11:49:39 PM
sssh Stoney - not watching the next round means he can ignore the small-town Spurs eviscerating the Heat
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 30, 2012, 11:51:48 PM
I'm not even sure what the problem is.  Besides the usual Heat "assumed fouls" when Lebron or Wade drives, the only bad call I can gather was the no call on Rondo getting hit in the face.  But that ultimately wouldn't have made much a difference.

I'm so fucking sick and tired of people complaining about the refs when they could complain about, you know, the other team playing poorly.  KG was doing shitty things at the end of the game, Pierce fouled out, Allen missed a few open three's, and that horrible Bass foul.  Rondo was really the only player worth a fuck doing anything.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: etiolate on May 30, 2012, 11:51:57 PM
both wrong and pointless replies!

Remember, I actually follow my logic, while most just shit out logic to explain their opinions. I quit MLB after being a lifelong A's fan. I haven't watched a whole baseball game in five years. I won't be watching the rest of the NBA playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 30, 2012, 11:53:33 PM
I call shenanigans.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 30, 2012, 11:57:27 PM
Yeah, I don't get it, and I'm the Celtics die-hard here. LeBron and Wade are amazing at drawing fouls, and a hobbled team like the Celtics isn't going to get to the line much on the other end, so of course there is going to be a huge disparity. The no-call on Rondo was bad, especially considering all the other shit that got a video review in this game, but I recognize that those can be very very hard to call at full speed, especially with all the flopping that goes on. I was ok with with refereeing, myself. Bill Simmons' freak-out on twitter was dumb....
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 31, 2012, 12:01:08 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 30, 2012, 11:57:27 PM
Bill Simmons...dumb....

quite!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2012, 12:03:12 AM
As always I like Bill Simmons but going in you know his biases. Any bad breaks or bad calls against a boston team are a cause for a senate investigation. I expect it. For what its worth I feel the same about etiolate. I find his righteous anger adds flavor to the thread although of course I don't agree with him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 31, 2012, 12:06:18 AM
Yeah I like Simmons too, just not when a Boston team is involved in the conversation.

And good lord, NBA-gaf if fucking atrocious right now.  UGH UGH UGH.  So many butthurt Laker fans.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 31, 2012, 12:08:22 AM
Only other dudes since '81 to go 44-10-8 in playoffs: Magic, Jordan, LeBron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2012, 12:09:04 AM
Celtics threw that away
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Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2012, 12:09:33 AM
What's crazy is that for a large part of the season a good amount of the media wanted him traded including Simmons himself.

http://www.celticslife.com/2012/02/bill-simmons-thinks-ainge-should-trade.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 31, 2012, 12:10:29 AM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on May 31, 2012, 12:08:22 AM
Only other dudes since '81 to go 44-10-8 in playoffs: Magic, Jordan, LeBron

"overrated"

as argued by Laker fans
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2012, 12:10:42 AM
I love Simmons, but twitter is not the place for considered, rational b'ball commentary from him. The bloggers and statheads are sooo much better, dudes like Seb Pruitti, Hollinger and Ethan Strauss. Their commentary is essential to me now, much moreso than anything the actual game-callers say....
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 31, 2012, 12:11:20 AM
It's funny, because all of gaf HATES Hollinger.  I never got why.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2012, 12:11:34 AM
LeBron was a beast tonight, don't let any fool tell you the refs or Wade or Haslem bailed him out :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: etiolate on May 31, 2012, 12:11:50 AM
I always wanted Rondo. Everytime Rondo trade rumors came up, the Kings were loosely involved because a long ago rumored Rondo for Reke swap. I wanted that trade. Rondo was also the guy the Kings passed on for Quincy Douby.


yeaaaaaaah
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2012, 12:12:00 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 31, 2012, 12:11:20 AM
It's funny, because all of gaf HATES Hollinger.  I never got why.

He punctures a lot of closely-held fan fantasies, that's why
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2012, 12:12:25 AM
Quote from: etiolate on May 30, 2012, 11:45:20 PM
And I'm done with the playoffs

I don't want to contribute to the NBA making money in any way. So much continuous bullshit every playoffs.

Amazing game by Rondo, but the NBA manages to ruin a great game with its persistent and obvious shenanigans.

Seriously? Boston choked that away. I didn't see any nonsense, outside of the regular touch foul stuff here or there. Overall the refs let both teams play
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2012, 12:12:30 AM
(not that I read GAF but I can guess)
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Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2012, 12:13:25 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 31, 2012, 12:11:20 AM
It's funny, because all of gaf HATES Hollinger.  I never got why.

PER is a lighting rod. So he tends to be the symbol for it. Also people don't like it when numbers go against sort of basketball myths like Kobe is the best player in basketball still.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 31, 2012, 12:14:05 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2012, 12:12:30 AM
(not that I read GAF but I can guess)

it's typical Laker-age calling whater happens to the Heat the absolute worst thing to happen in basketball ever.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2012, 12:16:07 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2012, 12:12:25 AM
Quote from: etiolate on May 30, 2012, 11:45:20 PM
And I'm done with the playoffs

I don't want to contribute to the NBA making money in any way. So much continuous bullshit every playoffs.

Amazing game by Rondo, but the NBA manages to ruin a great game with its persistent and obvious shenanigans.

Seriously? Boston choked that away. I didn't see any nonsense, outside of the regular touch foul stuff here or there. Overall the refs let both teams play

It's easy to focus on a bad call especially a late one and then spin other numbers to create a conspiracy theory. It happens all the time. And its very easy when you are predisposed to not like certain players or teams, or even the way fouls are called in general. I once saw Jordan and Pippen hack the shit out of the Pacers and mark jackson in a crucial game in the playoffs nearly every time he brought the ball upcourt and it pissed me off. Suddenly for awhile everything Jordan and Pippen related pissed me off. It happens.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2012, 12:18:50 AM
That game was physical on both sides. Miami missed a ton of FTs down the stretch of the fourth quarter and should have lost, but clawed back in. That's not the ref's fault.

Obviously everything revolves around the Lakers/Kings for Etiolet but jeez, come on breh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: etiolate on May 31, 2012, 12:19:01 AM
people hate hollinger because he uses stats to say "top X" when stats should only reflect that they are stats that measure certain things

All the error comes into attributing an argument to those stats and thinking it overwrites the ability to analyze a game. But stats don't lie and your analysis is just like opinion man is often I need stats for I lack in the ability to observe and understand. Never forget that Hollinger had Marbury rated as the #1 PG for a year or two over guys like Nash.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2012, 12:19:25 AM
If the Celtics win, that Rondo 3 that was really a 2 would be the most horrible call in the history of the league. This shit happens in intense OT games. I couldn't do a better job than the guys they got.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: etiolate on May 31, 2012, 12:23:58 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2012, 12:12:25 AM
Quote from: etiolate on May 30, 2012, 11:45:20 PM
And I'm done with the playoffs

I don't want to contribute to the NBA making money in any way. So much continuous bullshit every playoffs.

Amazing game by Rondo, but the NBA manages to ruin a great game with its persistent and obvious shenanigans.

Seriously? Boston choked that away. I didn't see any nonsense, outside of the regular touch foul stuff here or there. Overall the refs let both teams play

There are ebbs and flows in games. Miami is a good team, they should be able to come back from a first half deficit on their homecourt. Boston then came back twice from that. And then Miami came back. That all makes sense at high level play.  If there was any choking away of the game, it was Miami fucking it up at the line. That missed foul call totally realigned the situation in the game and there was not enough left on the clock to recover. If that foul call is made then the discussion is about Miami choking the game away at the FT line and Lebron choking the final two shots. So how does a missed foul call suddenly become Boston choking?

And getting whacked across the face is not a touch foul. That was a pretty blatant foul.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2012, 12:25:00 AM
Quote from: etiolate on May 31, 2012, 12:19:01 AM
people hate hollinger because he uses stats to say "top X" when stats should only reflect that they are stats that measure certain things

All the error comes into attributing an argument to those stats and thinking it overwrites the ability to analyze a game. But stats don't lie and your analysis is just like opinion man is often I need stats for I lack in the ability to observe and understand. Never forget that Hollinger had Marbury rated as the #1 PG for a year or two over guys like Nash.


He's the most insightful writer on basketball, period, because he has better statistical tools and a vast amount of basketball knowledge on top of that. The guy goes to something like 40 games a year so let's not fantasize that his columns are based solely on soulless computer algorithims or some shit...he loves and knows the game as well as anybody. Except unlike say Magic Johnson, he has the stats to keep him from saying a bunch of dumb shit
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Post by: etiolate on May 31, 2012, 12:27:55 AM
I don't find Hollinger insightful at all. I've never read anything by him that struck me as a new or insightful observation. I've listened to him outside of his stat articles, I've heard him on podcasts and he's been really pointless. There is little in mainstream press that shows anything that really strikes me.

That Kobe narrative article is most interesting thing I've read in a long time, but it doesn't show me anything I don't already understand. It's just insightful due to how hopeless the rest of sports media is.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2012, 12:28:09 AM
Quote from: etiolate on May 31, 2012, 12:19:01 AM
people hate hollinger because he uses stats to say "top X" when stats should only reflect that they are stats that measure certain things

All the error comes into attributing an argument to those stats and thinking it overwrites the ability to analyze a game. But stats don't lie and your analysis is just like opinion man is often I need stats for I lack in the ability to observe and understand. Never forget that Hollinger had Marbury rated as the #1 PG for a year or two over guys like Nash.

I think stats like PER and all the others are a window into the truth (which is of course different from some unknowable objective truth) and great fodder for discussion and illumination. And certainly better of course than just the traditional stats that the NBA keeps. Where the conflict comes to me is when people get very obstinate and sort of extreme in their views that one specific yardstick whether its per or the basketball myths and common sense are the only way to judge things. Even Hollinger admits that PER isn't a perfect tool. I remember Bruce Bowen always use to have a terrible per but Hollinger recognized the intangibles regarding his defense that don't necessarily transfer to a stat sheet. And things like confidence, and the character of a player will never transfer over to PER. I know that despite whatever per or any of the other statistical formulas say there are times when my gut is just telling me something. Like when Lebron took that long jumper at the end of 4th quarter.
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Post by: etiolate on May 31, 2012, 12:32:23 AM
In fact, take the idea of narrative and apply it to how many of you are trying to avoid the glaring ref issue to create a narrative for the outcome of the game that actively avoids that pretty important swing in the game that is centered around the missed call.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: etiolate on May 31, 2012, 12:34:37 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2012, 12:28:09 AM
Quote from: etiolate on May 31, 2012, 12:19:01 AM
people hate hollinger because he uses stats to say "top X" when stats should only reflect that they are stats that measure certain things

All the error comes into attributing an argument to those stats and thinking it overwrites the ability to analyze a game. But stats don't lie and your analysis is just like opinion man is often I need stats for I lack in the ability to observe and understand. Never forget that Hollinger had Marbury rated as the #1 PG for a year or two over guys like Nash.

I think stats like PER and all the others are a window into the truth (which is of course different from some unknowable objective truth) and great fodder for discussion and illumination. And certainly better of course than just the traditional stats that the NBA keeps. Where the conflict comes to me is when people get very obstinate and sort of extreme in their views that one specific yardstick whether its per or the basketball myths and common sense are the only way to judge things. Even Hollinger admits that PER isn't a perfect tool. I remember Bruce Bowen always use to have a terrible per but Hollinger recognized the intangibles regarding his defense that don't necessarily transfer to a stat sheet. And things like confidence, and the character of a player will never transfer over to PER. I know that despite whatever per or any of the other statistical formulas say there are times when my gut is just telling me something. Like when Lebron took that long jumper at the end of 4th quarter.

I imagine the hate for Hollinger would be far less if there weren't people taking his studies as gospel and then creating annoying water cooler debates with it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2012, 12:34:48 AM
Quote from: etiolate on May 31, 2012, 12:32:23 AM
In fact, take the idea of narrative and apply it to how many of you are trying to avoid the glaring ref issue to create a narrative for the outcome of the game that actively avoids that pretty important swing in the game that is centered around the missed call.

Or the narrative of your constant ability to only speak on things when they suit your specific criteria for criticizing the NBA and ignoring all the others that contradict your narratives all the other times.
Like last year and how the league was in cahoots for the Heat to win it all but it didn't happen. Or how two of the 4 teams left are small market nba teams.


Look I get righteous anger. Especially from a fan perspective. If it was the heat that got screwed on that last call I would have been pissed. And I have been pissed before when I felt the heat got screwed on specific calls. But as always what I don't like is when people nit pick calls to create a conspiracy rather than maybe acknowledging they simply missed a call. Or acknowledging the very real truth that any basketball game or football game is filled with missed and subjective calls. Bitch about a shitty call. That's cool. Hell say nba refs are shitty. I'm cool with that too. Or say superstars get too many calls, etc etc. But Donaghy aside the conspiracy stuff is a dead end for conversation imo because there is no way for to respond properly apparently other than to agree with your supposition that its all rigged.


And with that I'm out for tonight.

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Post by: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2012, 12:38:22 AM
Oh god, I could go through the past season's worth of Hollinger columns and list up literally dozens of things that Hollinger has lead the charge on. He was championing the Spurs a long time before anybody else I recall, for one.  He didn't need to wait to see if the Lakers 'woke up', or if the Thunder could 'take it to the next level' or any of that shit - he just pointed out why the Spurs were better and would almost certainly win easily.

Whether you credit him with being insightful or whether you just think that was something obvious you thought of all by yourself and he just wrote it down is a different matter. People have a very pronounced tendency to think of anything genuinely insightful as obvious or common knowledge as soon as they hear of it.

Is he an oracle? Of course not. Stats are inherently backward-looking, and the reason we are all fascinated by sports is that you have to actually play the games to see what happens. But damn if he doesn't call these things right time after time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: Mandark on May 31, 2012, 12:42:31 AM
Quote from: etiolate on May 31, 2012, 12:32:23 AM
In fact, take the idea of narrative and apply it to how many of you are trying to avoid the glaring ref issue to create a narrative for the outcome of the game that actively avoids that pretty important swing in the game that is centered around the missed call.

It must be so nice to be free of the impulse of narrative yourself.  Tell us what it feels like.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2012, 12:44:57 AM
I feel like we have left the realm of basketball commentary and entered the realm of literary criticism
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: etiolate on May 31, 2012, 12:49:49 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2012, 12:34:48 AM
Quote from: etiolate on May 31, 2012, 12:32:23 AM
In fact, take the idea of narrative and apply it to how many of you are trying to avoid the glaring ref issue to create a narrative for the outcome of the game that actively avoids that pretty important swing in the game that is centered around the missed call.

Or the narrative of your constant ability to only speak on things when they suit your specific criteria for criticizing the NBA and ignoring all the others that contradict your narratives all the other times.
Like last year and how the league was in cahoots for the Heat to win it all but it didn't happen. Or how two of the 4 teams left are small market nba teams.

And with that I'm out for tonight.

As I've always said, there is a difference between outright rigged and influenced. I'd never say the NBA games are rigged. It is possible to overcome calls like the one tonight, but it is far more unlikely than likely. The narrative is erasing the call as a factor or diminishing the importance of it as a factor until it becomes negligible.

If Miami shat the bed tonight, there isn't going to be a masterful job to get them to win. Calls may not even be made with the intent to swing the game, but to preserve the drama of the game. It could very well just be instinctual for NBA officials at this point to do these things. It's not a conspiracy. It's just the way the NBA business does things.

So don't compare my posts to like a rigged boxing match. The players involved are still involved players trying to win and compete. It's likely very hard to rig a basketball game to come out one way without an immediate investigation. As in, you couldn't just go out and blatantly toss Rondo out of the game for no reason and think things will get smoothed over.

Ultimately, what shouldn't be a factor are the refs. In this game, they became a very large factor and at a timely point. (The disgust from fans often comes from timely difference makers.) Because of this, the refs should be a major discussion upon the outcome of the game. The fact that people try to avoid something that belongs in the game conversation shows the narrative (that has long existed) will often get repeated.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2012, 12:53:58 AM
I really have no idea what foul you're talking about Etiolet. I watched the game on a big ass screen at Buffalo Wild Wings, didn't see shit
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: etiolate on May 31, 2012, 12:58:21 AM
Oh, well I'm sure there will be youtubes. The play where Rondo had a layup against Wade and Haslem that missed was clearly a foul on Wade, who whacked Rondo across the face. It was much more of a clear foul than the debatable kick by Wade to KG and arms to Wade by KG, which was pretty bang/bang and pulled into question new rule changes. The missed call was just a blatant no call that turned into the Wade fastbreak because Rondo went down after the blow to the head, creating a five on four. So not only did it take the control of the lead from Boston, it created the fastbreak situation that swung the game towards Miami.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2012, 12:58:40 AM
'what shouldn't be a factor are the refs'

Yes, in some platonic fantasy where the rules of basketball are completely objective and the refs are omniscient geniuses, I'd agree! But here on Planet Earth, they are a factor and always will be. They will continue to get better over time, but there will always be blown calls and sometimes it will fuck your team over and you go home and cry and cry and cry and write letters to Ralph Nader to organize a petition and your team will trade away its best player and you'll cry some more and threaten to quit the NBA but no-one will notice so you'l go back like a bitch then get butthurt again and lcry some more and so on forever
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2012, 01:01:10 AM
Quote from: etiolate on May 31, 2012, 12:58:21 AM
Oh, well I'm sure there will be youtubes. The play where Rondo had a layup against Wade and Haslem that missed was clearly a foul on Wade, who whacked Rondo across the face. It was much more of a clear foul than the debatable kick by Wade to KG and arms to Wade by KG, which was pretty bang/bang and pulled into question new rule changes. The missed call was just a blatant no call that turned into the Wade fastbreak because Rondo went down after the blow to the head, creating a five on four. So not only did it take the control of the lead from Boston, it created the fastbreak situation that swung it the game towards Miami.

Who is ignoring that one? Have you even been reading what other people are saying? I agreed with you IN REAL TIME immediately after it happened! :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: Mandark on May 31, 2012, 01:11:59 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2012, 12:44:57 AM
I feel like we have left the realm of basketball commentary and entered the realm of literary criticism

At which point I'd turn to Michael Berube for some textualist deconstruction of the NBA, but he only talks about hockey.

I started reading Hollinger when he was at SI and still releasing the Pro Basketball Forecast, which had the gimmick of picking a cover player who was not famous, but on the cusp of breaking out, like Michael Redd.  At that point he was trying to do what Bill James had started in baseball, by using available stats and pretty simple logic to get a more objective look at things and blow up some predominant misconceptions.  The idea that per-minute numbers mattered more than per-game, like the value of walks, is obvious in hindsight but still something that most people in the industry missed.

What I like about his current work is that he follows the league closer than any other writer I can think of.  He's full of tidbits about the tendencies, development, and usage of obscure role players around the league, picking up on quirks that you'd normally have to get from a local beat reporter.  On top of that he seems to know every player's contract, every team's cap situation, and the league's byzantine salary rules.

He's not leading the charge on statistical analysis these days, with the advances coming from people with access to proprietary data, and some of his columns are definitely filler but he writes four or five a week.  I can't think of a basketball journalist who I could learn as much from, though there are other guys worth reading like Jack McCallum, JA Adande, etc.  Certainly better than Wilbon or Wojnarowski.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 31, 2012, 01:20:04 AM
Starting to think PD is a viral marketer for BWW.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: etiolate on May 31, 2012, 01:23:52 AM
I'm surprised they could afford to outbid Olive Garden.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 31, 2012, 01:30:48 AM
Not sure why he couldn't swing both. He's probably known in the chain restaurant industry now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2012, 01:32:35 AM
Quote from: Mandark on May 31, 2012, 01:11:59 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2012, 12:44:57 AM
I feel like we have left the realm of basketball commentary and entered the realm of literary criticism

At which point I'd turn to Michael Berube for some textualist deconstruction of the NBA, but he only talks about hockey.

I started reading Hollinger when he was at SI and still releasing the Pro Basketball Forecast, which had the gimmick of picking a cover player who was not famous, but on the cusp of breaking out, like Michael Redd.  At that point he was trying to do what Bill James had started in baseball, by using available stats and pretty simple logic to get a more objective look at things and blow up some predominant misconceptions.  The idea that per-minute numbers mattered more than per-game, like the value of walks, is obvious in hindsight but still something that most people in the industry missed.

What I like about his current work is that he follows the league closer than any other writer I can think of.  He's full of tidbits about the tendencies, development, and usage of obscure role players around the league, picking up on quirks that you'd normally have to get from a local beat reporter.  On top of that he seems to know every player's contract, every team's cap situation, and the league's byzantine salary rules.

He's not leading the charge on statistical analysis these days, with the advances coming from people with access to proprietary data, and some of his columns are definitely filler but he writes four or five a week.  I can't think of a basketball journalist who I could learn as much from, though there are other guys worth reading like Jack McCallum, JA Adande, etc.  Certainly better than Wilbon or Wojnarowski.

Avery Bradley is a great example of an obscure player that Hollinger picked up on. He was the first that I can recall to pick up on how great his D was, and how key he was to the Cs resurgence. Likewise, he was the first to signal that Bradley being out was disastrous. Most of the rest of the NBA writers barely noticed - oh Pierce is playing? Ray Allen? Still the Celtics! Ball movement! Defense! Experience!

I would not follow Hollinger as closely as I do if his stuff didn't hold up vs the evidence of my eyes, but it consistently does. Watch the games nightly after Hollinger explains how Bradley and Rondo combined to destroy opposing back courts with their transition and perimeter D and you will see it happening, whether Reggie Miller comments or not (he may comment on what a poor shooting night Dwayne Wade is having but will not attribute it to Bradley - one of the great unspoken taboos in commentating is that you can never say that one player owns the other with D, only that one is struggling or not aggressive enough, :yuck).

Anyway, preachin' to the choir here.

Anyone who's been reading anything I've said for weeks now should know that I never gave the Celtics a shot in this series in their current state. If they somehow won the series, THEN maybe I'd concede that it was rigged 'cause that's the ONLY way it could happen :lol 

I haven't seen Rondo dunk yet in the playoffs btw. Wouldn't kill him to try once in a while - he blows a lot of lay-ups/gets his shot blocked.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 31, 2012, 01:56:34 AM
I should have known better than to watch the 2nd half at a restaurant.  This generation of Lakers fans is a disgrace.  Everybody was rooting for the Celtics.

Of course, there were also lots of discussion about how Lebron is overrated and some were even arguing that Bosh is a bettter player. 

Immigration has to be the cuprit.  Many of the beaners and ricers 2nd and 3rd gen Americans simply don't know their basketball history.  Particularly surprising is how even the Asian fans are adverse to simple stats. 

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2012, 02:01:16 AM
Rooting for the Celtics, in L.A.? :yuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: pilonv1 on May 31, 2012, 02:02:35 AM
Quote from: etiolate on May 31, 2012, 12:19:01 AM
All the error comes into attributing an argument to those stats and thinking it overwrites the ability to analyze a game. But stats don't lie and your analysis is just like opinion man is often I need stats for I lack in the ability to observe and understand. Never forget that Hollinger had Marbury rated as the #1 PG for a year or two over guys like Nash.

I think this summarizes why despite being a ridiculous stat nerd I don't like Hollinger. I don't think a catch all statistic like PER or whatever variant has any worth in basketball outside of fantasy leagues or arguing who is the "better" player. Using them as a tool to analyse a player, or rank players ability in certain areas, fine. Using them to rank players overall is worthless to me. There are so many factors in what happens on a basketball court that numbers alone don't tell the whole story.

Maybe it's just that I follow my team and the league close enough that I don't get a lot out of his stuff.  Sorry if that sounds like I'm big noting myself, not the intention just explaining why I'm not a huge fan :-/ .

Now comparing him to other writers, then yeah I can see the difference. And don't even get me started on commentators, who are some of the least prepared people I've ever come across in my life. I did like his player write ups at the end of the season though. One of the few people to correctly peg a few of the Warriors players, especially someone like Udoh.

Though I'd prefer to read someone well researched and prepared like Hollinger than someone like Simmons who can't be taken seriously even when he wants to be.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 31, 2012, 02:02:45 AM
I can guarantee that Lakers fans will be more devastated about the Heat winning a championship than the Lakers losing in the 2nd round. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2012, 02:11:29 AM
Hollinger frequently disagrees with the numbers his formula spit out, you know. Particularly his Power Rankings. He is all about the things the stats can't track as well, especially defense. I think he is very far from dogmatic about it all, unlike Dave Berri say...but OH WELL not making any converts out there tonight. Maybe you're all just mad that ESPN charges $25.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 31, 2012, 02:11:53 AM
Is it just me or does it seem like JVG have to try really hard to hide his dislike of the Heat?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2012, 02:13:19 AM
Well, they fired his bro
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Post by: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2012, 02:26:45 AM
Was intrigued by the statement about Hollinger ranking Marbury above Nash...all I could find was this from 2005.
The bolded part is from the accompanying pic. Anyway, it makes it pretty f'in clear that he ranked Nash way higher at least at that point. Prior to returning to the Suns, I think I'd have taken Steph too TBH. Sure he was a cancer and a stat-padder, but he was dominant nonetheless.

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What do the two best offenses in NBA history have in common?

Here's a hint: He was born in South Africa, raised in Canada, has a $60 million contract, and a $5 haircut.

The man is Steve Nash, the Phoenix Suns' point guard who has become an unlikely MVP candidate by energizing their offense and leading them to this year's best record. Nash could become only the second foreign-born player to win MVP honors, not to mention the first to do it while wearing a Neil Young wig (hey, it's a Canadian thing).

But many might not appreciate just how good the Suns' offense has been, and that this is nothing new for Nash. The Suns' 110.5 points-per-game scoring average towers over the league average of 97.2. But considering the Suns' frenetic pace -- led by Nash, of course -- we should expect his team to play high-scoring games because each team gets more possessions than usual.

One way to more precisely measure teams' offenses is with a statistic called Offensive Efficiency, which tracks how many points a team scores for each 100 possessions it uses.


Try as he might, Marbury (right) cannot wrest "best offensive point guard" honors from Nash.
The Suns are also No. 1 in this category, and their advantage is large. The Suns average 112.1 points per 100 possessions, easily outpacing the second-place Miami Heat's 108.3. Compared to the league average of 103.1, the Suns are well ahead of the curve, topping the average by 9.0 points. Since the average Suns game had nearly 100 possessions for each team (98.1 to be exact), that means their offense provides a mammoth advantage of nearly nine points every night compared to the output from an average team.

And that nine-point edge relative to the league is among the best in "modern" basketball history. Offensive Efficiency stats are only available dating to 1973-74, when the league started keeping track of turnovers. But in the 32 seasons since, only one team has put up a better Offensive Efficiency than this year's Suns.

Believe it or not, it was last year's Mavericks – led by Steve Nash.

That's right, the team Nash quarterbacked so successfully in Dallas was quite possibly the greatest offense in history. The Mavs averaged 110.1 points per 100 possessions a year ago, while the league average was 100.8. The Mavs' advantage of 9.3 points above the norm was even better than the 2004-05 Suns' mark of +9.0.

Nash's accomplishments don't end there. Check out the chart showing the other greatest offenses in history, and you'll notice two things.

First, the No. 6 team was Nash's Mavs of 2002-03, earning him three spots in the top six. Second, check out the difference between the past two seasons and every other team on the list. Nash's Mavs and Suns teams didn't just scrape by the previous record, they blasted it out of the water. No team had even been +7.5 relative to the league before two years ago, but Nash's teams averaged better than +9.

Top Offenses Since 1973-74
Team   Year   Off. Eff.   NBA Avg.   Difference
Dallas Mavericks    2003-04    110.1    100.8    9.3
Phoenix Suns    2004-05    112.1    103.1    9.0
Denver Nuggets    1981-82    111.7    104.2    7.5
Boston Celtics    1987-88    112.4    105.0    7.4
Chicago Bulls    1991-92    112.3    105.0    7.3
Dallas Mavericks    2002-03    108.7    101.4    7.3
While both of Nash's teams played helter-skelter, the real key to the offensive success of each was turnover avoidance. Last year, Nash's Mavs committed just 11.8 turnovers per game, setting a new NBA record. Thanks to their mistake-free play, the Mavs took 519 shots more than any other team, which made it pretty easy for them to pile up the points.

Similarly, this year's Suns are also experts at avoiding the miscue. The Suns turn the ball over on 13.8 percent of their possessions, second only to the Sacramento Kings for the league's best rate. Without Nash last year, they were at 15.5 percent, so Nash is getting them two extra possessions a game. In contrast, the Mavs' rate sans Nash of 14.1 percent is a big reason they've gone from great to merely good, ranking fifth in Offensive Efficiency this year.

Of course, Nash had some help. In both Phoenix and Dallas, he could tag-team with a superb finisher at small forward and a devastatingly effective big man. Amare Stoudemire, Shawn Marion, Dirk Nowitzki and Antawn Jamison all made this year's All-Star game, reflecting the outstanding offensive talent that surrounded Nash in both cities.

However, Nash is arguably the best offensive player of the bunch. Based on my Player Efficiency Rating (PER), which measures each player's per-minute statistical production, Nash is well down the leaderboard. However, that's mostly because of his inability to rebound or defend. If we zero out those numbers for everyone and just look at "Offensive PER," Nash takes his rightful place among the elites.

Offensive PER leaders 04-05
Player   Team   Off. PER
Amare Stoudemire    Phoenix Suns    19.81
Dirk Nowitzki    Dallas Mavericks    19.62
Steve Nash    Phoenix Suns    19.45
LeBron James    Cleveland Cavaliers    19.44
Stephon Marbury    New York Knicks    19.32
While Nash ranks a close third, the news item here is that Stoudemire and Nowitzki are Nos. 1 and 2, respectively. Looking at the chart, some might wonder how Nash can be labeled the best offensive player in the game if his current and former teammate are both better.

The evidence is clear from Nash's previous two seasons. They show that he has consistently been among the game's top offensive performers, while 2004-05 has been a career year for both Stoudemire and Nowitzki. For instance, only one name makes a repeat appearance in the 2003-04 leaders in Offensive PER:

Offensive PER leaders 03-04
Player   Team   Off. PER
Tracy McGrady    Orlando Magic    20.39
Sam Cassell    Minnesota Timberwolves    20.28
Kevin Garnett    Minnesota Timberwolves    18.84
Kobe Bryant    Los Angeles Lakers    18.75
Steve Nash    Dallas Mavericks    18.01
And, as you might have surmised, Nash was in the top five in 2002-03 as well, although Nowitzki wasn't far behind:

Offensive PER leaders 02-03
Player   Team   Off. PER
Tracy McGrady    Orlando Magic    24.72
Shaquille O'Neal    Los Angeles Lakers    21.04
Kobe Bryant    Los Angeles Lakers    20.52
Steve Nash    Dallas Mavericks    19.86
Sam Cassell    Milwaukee Bucks    19.34
Dirk Nowitzki    Dallas Mavericks    19.34
So, who deserves the title of the game's best offensive player?

Consider these three factors:

1) The margin among the top five players in Offensive PER this season is razor-thin;

2) Nash was much better than the others each of the previous two seasons; and

3) Nash conducted the two best offenses in "modern" NBA history.

While it's hard to imagine the game's most dominant offensive player being a 6-foot-3 guard who played four years in a second-tier college conference, the results speak for themselves.

If Nowitzki, Stoudemire and LeBron James perform at their current levels again next season, then we'll have to re-examine the issue. But for now, the title has to go to Nash. Not bad for a guy who looks like a roadie for Crazy Horse, eh?
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: pilonv1 on May 31, 2012, 02:27:03 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2012, 02:11:29 AM
Hollinger frequently disagrees with the numbers his formula spit out, you know. Particularly his Power Rankings. He is all about the things the stats can't track as well, especially defense. I think he is very far from dogmatic about it all, unlike Dave Berri say...but OH WELL not making any converts out there tonight. Maybe you're all just mad that ESPN charges $25.

Been paying for insider since 2004, exclusively for their draft coverage. Though I generally dislike most of ESPN's coverage of anything.

Not going to denigrate people for enjoying it, lord knows there's stuff I like others don't.

Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2012, 02:13:19 AM
Well, they fired his bro

And that whole Knicks/Heat rivalry from the late 90s.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 31, 2012, 02:28:53 AM
Yea but it's not like the Heat still have Alonzo Mourning's leg still on the roster.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2012, 02:30:27 AM
I suppose I should clarify that I don't think Hollinger's stuff is the best basketball WRITING - that'd probably be Bethlehem Shoals, and there are plenty of writers who write about the game and the players with more flair, drama or comedy. But within his remit, I think he writes well as well - he's certainly funnier than most, with a very dry wit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: pilonv1 on May 31, 2012, 02:40:11 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2012, 02:30:27 AM
But within his remit, I think he writes well as well - he's certainly funnier than most, with a very dry wit.

Wont argue that.

Anyway I need to get back to worrying about drafting Perry Jones :gloomy
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2012, 02:42:38 AM
I'm unable to work up any kind of interest in this draft, not having seen a single one of the players other than watching Andre Drummond shoot some lay-ups in an empty gym (which was billed as a 'glimpse into Andre's gruelling pre-draft workout regime!'). Also he has apparently given up soda and cookies   :violin
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: pilonv1 on May 31, 2012, 02:45:31 AM
Yeah I heard Drummond is down to 268 from 290.

Pre-draft is one of my favourite times of the year because there's so much information floating around. I like watching college games and workouts and thinking about how their game would translate to a pro level. I think I missed my calling as a scout.

Plus I think 17 out of 18 losing seasons or whatever has conditioned me to thinking it's very important.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2012, 02:50:14 AM
The problem is that so very few of these guys will likely be game-changers, and so much of the information is just bullshit. Every player will be either crash dieting or crash bulking to fit whatever team their agent thinks they should be angling for, but will they play at that weight for the next 10 years? Can anyone really add an extra two or three feet on their (real game!) range in a few months? My eyes roll furiously at most of those Chad Ford tidbits, I have to say.

Your time would be more productively spent worrying about Steph Curry's ankles or Bogut's everything. Need help with that?
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Post by: pilonv1 on May 31, 2012, 03:09:54 AM
Oh I know most of it is garbage. But occasionally there's some interesting things said. And not the workout/measurement/drill stuff, which means nothing. It's not the top prospects I like looking at though, it's the second rounders/bubble guys I enjoy watching, especially the guys who have a pro-level skill in college (eg Chris Singleton/Devin Ebanks, you could see they were top defenders before they graduated).

A guy like Draymond Green, I absolutely love his game and think he'll end up on a roster for a long time. But then I thought the same thing about De'Sean Butler but the ACL tear he suffered at the end of his senior season ruined that.

Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2012, 02:50:14 AM
Your time would be more productively spent worrying about Steph Curry's ankles or Bogut's everything. Need help with that?

I worried enough about Steph's ankles this year to last me a lifetime. I think some of it is bad luck but he also has a weird way of pushing off/planting, he tends to do it with the outside of his foot when starting to run, which was the cause of two of his three ankle turns this year. That's something to watch with Roy Hibbert too, who runs on his heels.

Bogut is more bad luck from some unlucky falls, I'm more confident about his health.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2012, 03:19:30 AM
I love Draymond Green but there are so many high energy, big leaders from quality NCAA teams who didn't pan out in the NBA. MSU tends to produce some good pros but I'm not sure about Green. If he goes to the right team, sure I think he could be a nice backup.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: pilonv1 on May 31, 2012, 03:21:33 AM
Yeah I don't think he'll be a starter, but he'd be a great 8-10th man off the bench. He looks to me like the sort of guy Popovich would get the best out of.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2012, 03:22:07 AM
Yeah, exactly.

Looking over DraftExpress, it's just amazing how much attention is paid to height, weight, wingspan, foot speed, vertical leap etc, when time after time it has been shown that all that stuff is chronically overvalued. I really think that after the top of the lottery, you have to have a laserlike focus on one or two things that the prospect already does well, and figure out if that will translate in the pros or not. If they have that skill, who cares what their physique is like, or what their non-core stats are like. Nobody is going to be perfectly well-rounded at age 20 or whatever, so don't dump on them for the skills they lack, and conversely don't fantasize about what if they suddenly gain all those skills you want them to have either. DaJuan Blair is gonna get a ring based on his rebounding while Eddy Curry rides the pine...

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder can't handle some nasty)
Post by: DJ_Tet on May 31, 2012, 03:38:45 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 30, 2012, 09:46:04 PM
That said, I'm sure DJ Tet is apoplectic right now, too furious to type

I called this shit months ago in one of the gaf topics.  I'll have to find the post.  I promised to kill David Stern when this happened, and now it has come to pass.

So no, no suicide ITT, homicide.


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=35139845&postcount=12641

Chris Paul accusing others of dirty plays? Julius Hodge has to laugh at that one.

And I have to laugh at the freaking Hornets only being 1.5 games ahead of the Bobcats despite a pt differential of -5.8.

What a joke. I'm going to be beyond pissed if the Hornets get the #1 pick and the Bobcats get #4.

I'm going to literally kill David Stern if that happens. That's a promise.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=35140089&postcount=12648

I will. If the Hornets end up with a better record than the Bobcats and somehow draft higher than them, that will be the last dirty deal that Stern sinks his grubby paws into.


edit: I love how he thinks everyone believes that Donaghy was an isolated incident. Fucking ostrich, that guy, head in the sand.

I'm not doing it anymore. If the Hornets get Anthony Davis while the Bobcats are fielding an NBDL team it will be the end of Stern.


Didn't call it so much as anticipated it happening I suppose.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2012, 03:52:38 AM
It just means you understand probabilities dude, doesn't make you a prophet. I feel your pain though. That said, it could have been worse than #2, and you should get a good player there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2012, 04:13:05 AM
Quote from: pilonv1 on May 31, 2012, 03:21:33 AM
Yeah I don't think he'll be a starter, but he'd be a great 8-10th man off the bench. He looks to me like the sort of guy Popovich would get the best out of.

That would be a perfect fit. Going from having the best coach in college to the best coach in the NBA :bow
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: DJ_Tet on May 31, 2012, 04:15:55 AM
How were the Hornets more probable to get a better pick than the Bobcats?

My prophecy was that the Hornets would pick ahead of the Bobcats.  It wasn't so much a prophecy as being aware as to what Stern likes to make happen.  Like when LeBron went to Cleveland.

It was obvious the Hornets or the Nets would win this draft, I thought the Hornets just to add some extra stank for the Charlotte fans.  Of course I said that before the sale went down, but apparently the sale isn't final yet and some people in the nba front office were pissed when they saw what happened, just for the appearance of tampering. 

That said, I'm over it.  Davis is thin as a rail, as much as I like his game I still wondered what sort of impact he could have in the NBA.  We'll see but I think he's no sure thing (but likely to be an impact player for a long time, Marcus Camby would be a good ceiling for him I think.)

We'll get a good player at 2, MKG looked good to me and we need a 3.  Could have been worse, stuck picking at 4 looking at Robinson when we already have a massive glut of 4s.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2012, 04:23:03 AM
Well, I'm glad you're not gonna kill anyone over it. It seemed like you'd built yourself up to a 'Davis or Bust' frenzy.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: DJ_Tet on May 31, 2012, 04:38:54 AM
Preemptive bitching against the inevitable.

I do think Davis is a special talent, but I also think he's got some physical issues that will take time to overcome.  And ultimately he's probably a 4 as well, Bobcats need much more help than another 4.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - etiolate quits basketball. Returns to pogs)
Post by: Beezy on May 31, 2012, 10:41:12 AM
Quote from: DJ_Tet on May 31, 2012, 04:38:54 AM
Preemptive bitching against the inevitable.

I do think Davis is a special talent, but I also think he's got some physical issues that will take time to overcome.  And ultimately he's probably a 4 as well, Bobcats need much more help than another 4.
His monobrow? His teeth?
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 31, 2012, 01:56:26 PM
he's too skinny, first of all.  Dude needs to start heavy lifting, then he'll have that crazy shoulder length like Dwight.

But I don't think Davis is going to do much of anything.  I think Beal and Gilchrist will do more.
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Post by: DJ_Tet on May 31, 2012, 01:59:54 PM
Yeah, he's skinny even for a 3, not sure how he will hold up to 82 games against men.  If you remember when Kevin Garnett was young, even he struggled at times.  And he had 100x the offensive game that Davis has shown thus far.

Davis is a special talent defensively and has a good nose for the ball, but will he be strong enough to get where he needs to get to against NBA men?  Might take a few years.

And with his frame, it's easy to imagine him not being able to put on much weight at all.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2012, 04:03:46 PM
Davis is crazy talented but I agree, physically he's not ready to bang. Durant plays on the wings for the most part, so that comparison isn't great. I've preferred Marcus Camby comparisons; both were recruited by Calipari, and when he first discovered Davis he texed Camby and said "I've found a taller, better you" iirc lol

Camby was never big either, so I definitely think Davis can put on some weight while still being rather lean looking.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 31, 2012, 04:19:24 PM
He said Garnett, PD.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2012, 04:44:44 PM
I know, but I've seen more Durant comparisons than Garnett ones; not here, but from NCAA commentators and on twitter/espn
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 31, 2012, 05:24:11 PM
That's odd to me.  All throughout the tourney I think I saw Davis take jumpers I can count on two hands.  Durant is a great jump shooterl I don't get the comparisons.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2012, 05:32:15 PM
He's capable of driving, Calipari just kept him in the paint. But I do agree Camby or even Garnett makes way more sense than Durant. Both guys had huge growth spurts in highschool that changed what position they wound up playing
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Post by: pilonv1 on May 31, 2012, 07:53:50 PM
Camby was the guy I thought he was most like, mainly for the defense. I don't see any Durant in his game to be honest, the only thing remotely similar is their physiques.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2012, 08:02:01 PM
my god is James Harden the only black man in America with a beard or something?

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2012/story/_/page/Evolution-120531/nba-playoffs-oklahoma-city-thunder-james-harden-growing-game

He's cool but man, this meme needs to die
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2012, 08:10:09 PM
Harden is 22? I figured he was like 28. Must be the beard

*rick ross grunt*
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Post by: Smooth Groove on May 31, 2012, 08:34:43 PM
Harden must have gotten his grooming advice from PD. 
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Post by: Beezy on May 31, 2012, 09:09:38 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2012, 08:02:01 PM
my god is James Harden the only black man in America with a beard or something?

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2012/story/_/page/Evolution-120531/nba-playoffs-oklahoma-city-thunder-james-harden-growing-game

He's cool but man, this meme needs to die
No. Just the only famous young one with such a ridiculous beard.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2012, 09:23:30 PM
Hey Scott Brooks - take Perk out FOR THE LOVE OF BASKETBALL
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 31, 2012, 09:43:18 PM
Seriously.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 31, 2012, 09:54:22 PM
I sincerely hope OKC can keep this pace and beat them tonight.  Make the Spurs look human for god's sake.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2012, 10:08:21 PM
It has to happen eventually but as long as they keep playing Perkins and Fisher over Collison and Sefolosha, the Spurs will still win the series handily. Even with adjustments and perfect play, the Thunder have a huge hole to climb out of now.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2012, 10:29:42 PM
neato behind the back from Parker to Westbrook there
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Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2012, 10:46:11 PM
Good to see the Thunder rolling. Hopefully they win the next one too to setup a really big game 5.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 31, 2012, 11:23:37 PM
holy fuck, just tuned in.  what a shalacking
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 01, 2012, 12:28:08 AM
(http://media.lockerdome.com/uploads/7b255e17696311c1eb7ae1f22bb0e511_large)
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 01, 2012, 12:30:52 AM
I thought we all established basketball players were bigger hipsters than actual hipsters.
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Post by: T234 on June 01, 2012, 12:11:29 PM
Quote from: DJ_Tet on May 31, 2012, 01:59:54 PM
Yeah, he's skinny even for a 3, not sure how he will hold up to 82 games against men.  If you remember when Kevin Garnett was young, even he struggled at times.  And he had 100x the offensive game that Davis has shown thus far.

Davis is a special talent defensively and has a good nose for the ball, but will he be strong enough to get where he needs to get to against NBA men?  Might take a few years.

And with his frame, it's easy to imagine him not being able to put on much weight at all.
Bro, if you end up with MKG or Beal you'll be in damned excellent shape.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 01, 2012, 09:51:45 PM
Jame with three fouls. Thoughts, Etiolet?  :-*
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Post by: etiolate on June 01, 2012, 10:46:38 PM
makeup calls in the next game would be nothing new

the 2010 nba finals consisted of doc rivers and phil jackson working the refs back and forth to get their way
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 02, 2012, 12:11:37 AM
ESPN ranking Rondo 10th in the post-season MVP rankings  ::)

Quick, name 5 that have done more. I'll give you LeBron, Durant, Parker, Wade - everyone else is debatable IMHO.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 02, 2012, 12:21:32 AM
Rondo is definitely number two or three.

Also, totally expected this tonight.  Think the Heat will rally on sunday.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 02, 2012, 02:30:52 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 02, 2012, 12:21:32 AM
Rondo is definitely number two or three.

Also, totally expected this tonight.  Think the Heat will rally on sunday.

Would have been more convincing if you had posted it before the game but anyway :lol

The Heat/Spoelstra actually have an amazing record in 3rd quarters recently so was expecting better adjustments tonight. The small ball approach put a scare in the Boston fans, but it really stank of desperation. The lack of Bosh shows any time either Bosh or Wade are even slightly less than great. If Bosh was there tonight, we'd be talking about how amazing LeBron was and how they might wrap up this series before the Spurs do theirs.

Anyway, I'll be happy if the Celtics can take one more game from the fuckers before riding off into the sunset. Rondo and the Ticket have got to be TIRED though. Game 4 smells like a loss for sure.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on June 02, 2012, 11:09:46 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYAxc1ntREc
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Post by: Beezy on June 02, 2012, 09:54:00 PM
 :lol
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 02, 2012, 10:47:05 PM
Kevin fucking Durant.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2012, 12:30:05 AM
Nice to see the Thunder didn't back down. Huge game 5.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2012, 01:07:44 AM
Amazing series comeback by the Thunder so far. Fisher deserves all the credit
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Post by: Beezy on June 03, 2012, 07:14:58 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2012, 01:07:44 AM
Amazing series comeback by the Thunder so far. Fisher deserves all the credit
:drake
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 03, 2012, 07:49:46 PM
The Thunder flipped the script somewhat with gm 4, I think. The first 3 games were typical Thunder games, but 4 was a serious aberration. If they can play 5 on 5 on offense all night like that again, they can beat the Spurs at their own game. I think it's unlikely to happen, especially since they need a big road win, but it's a GREAT sign for their future. Durant was so patient in the first half. Perkins and Ibaka may never shoot like that again, but there is no reason why they can't continue to get great looks like that from their Big 3...
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 03, 2012, 08:34:14 PM
hmm, Heat starting Anthony over Turiaf again, which is bad news for KG's production typically. Obviously Wade and LeBron will be loaded for bear...but will KG be READY FOR WAR?!

(for any young 'uns who don't remember...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J2zudcnYkY
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 03, 2012, 08:46:22 PM
KG still able to double Wade immediately when he touches the ball, thanks to not having to guard Joel Anthony. The problem of course is that Wade can beat the double but should be fun to watch him try.

Rondo again looking like the best player on the court...10th best player in the playoffs? Really?
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 03, 2012, 08:54:05 PM
Best spacing the Celtics have had in the playoffs, easily. Ass being kicked :rock
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 03, 2012, 09:32:47 PM
come on Stoney, give me your tale of woe
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 03, 2012, 09:53:49 PM
Doris Burke: 'What holes are you exploiting?' Rondo: 'Them complaining and crying to the refs in transition'

:rofl

Shots fired etc
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 03, 2012, 10:01:06 PM
Obviously everyone else is watching Game of Thrones or playing Battlefield so I'll just turn into Tommy Heinsohn here I think

(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1157075/rondop2.gif)
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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 03, 2012, 10:04:13 PM
Heat are done, better luck next year guys.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2012, 10:04:28 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 03, 2012, 09:53:49 PM
Doris Burke: 'What holes are you exploiting?' Rondo: 'Them complaining and crying to the refs in transition'

:rofl

Shots fired etc

Is this a real quote? :rofl

Rondo is cool in my book
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 03, 2012, 10:07:51 PM
yeah, first thing he said in the post-half interview. Totally calculated
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Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2012, 10:09:09 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 03, 2012, 09:32:47 PM
come on Stoney, give me your tale of woe
It's the heat. The most annoying team in all of sports to root for. No sense of urgency and no killer instinct.  :(

At least the spurs are playing a great team so their two losses are a bit more understandable. The heat should still win the series. It's just typical Miami horse shit.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 03, 2012, 10:21:00 PM
Wade has been far better in second halves than in first. I expect a big Heat run when KG takes his break. When he went out in the 1Q, it was just a ludicrous succession of layups and dunks
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2012, 10:39:13 PM
How did the Heat come back? Just tuned in
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 03, 2012, 10:42:06 PM
I told you how before it happened - with KG out, the whole thing flips and Miami starts getting easy buckets again by playing small ball. Plus Wade hit some long jumpers he's usually shaky on.

I still feel ok about this one - Miami used up a ton of energy, didn't make it all the way back, and left Wade in past his normal break. When the Cs starters come back in, they should be able to outwork them. Of course, the Cs are in a spot of foul trouble.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 03, 2012, 10:50:47 PM
the heat down 18

lebron and wade lead them back

"unclutch"
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 03, 2012, 10:53:22 PM
Cs - 61 pts in the first half, 13 so far in the 2nd, tie game :fbm
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 03, 2012, 11:11:03 PM
Fun game.  People are shitting their pants because Lebron is in foul trouble.  CONSPIRACY
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Post by: BlueTsunami on June 03, 2012, 11:13:43 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 03, 2012, 10:53:22 PM
Cs - 61 pts in the first half, 13 so far in the 2nd, tie game :fbm

Don't watch too much basketball outside the playoffs but they seem unable to hold a lead.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 03, 2012, 11:14:59 PM
they have a terrible bench you see
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 03, 2012, 11:15:54 PM
lol at chalmers.  what the fuck.  lebron gets it to you for a three, shoot the goddamn three
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Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2012, 11:19:19 PM
Lebron's ability to hit an outside shot has degraded even from last season. Not sure why he passed up a post shot there earlier either.

edit: in my face  :lol
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 03, 2012, 11:21:36 PM
:bow clutch lebron :bow2
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 03, 2012, 11:22:31 PM
can't watch
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Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2012, 11:23:26 PM
Fucking lebron.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2012, 11:23:47 PM
Bron Bron is scared as fuck to take a last second shot lol
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Post by: BlueTsunami on June 03, 2012, 11:23:53 PM
CLUTCH AS FUCK
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 03, 2012, 11:26:16 PM
I'm not sure why you're hating on him for that – he was triple teamed on his drive.  a defer was smart there, just not a good pass
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Post by: BlueTsunami on June 03, 2012, 11:26:45 PM
That's true, I'm just a hater in regards to LBJ
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Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2012, 11:27:08 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 03, 2012, 11:26:16 PM
I'm not sure why you're hating on him for that – he was triple teamed on his drive.  a defer was smart there, just not a good pass

The he should make a better fucking play. That's what he's paid for. It was an awful pass and decision there. That wasn't a good setup like earlier in the year when he hit haslem. 
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 03, 2012, 11:30:40 PM
LeBron has stopped defending, with 5 fouls. SADLY PIERCE HAS FOULED OUT SO BOSTON CAN'T CAPITALIZE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHHH
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Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2012, 11:32:13 PM
Outside of that huge three Lebron hit, he has played shitty here on offense late in the game.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 03, 2012, 11:32:31 PM
and he just fouled out too  :lol

and of course people are saying in twitter-verse and gaf that he purposefully fouled out so he didn't have to take the last shot

fuck me
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 03, 2012, 11:33:51 PM
need a gif of Pietrus patting down LeBron's cock as he fouls him out
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 03, 2012, 11:36:34 PM
that should be game.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2012, 11:39:07 PM
Let's see what amazing play a great coach like Spoelstra sets up.

Of course he won't let it be something so obvious as a simple Wade iso until 5 seconds left and shoot. He's too great a coach for something that obvious.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 03, 2012, 11:40:03 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2012, 11:39:07 PM
Let's see what amazing play a great coach like Spoelstra sets up.

Of course he won't let it be something so obvious as a simple Wade iso until 5 seconds left and shoot. He's too great a coach for something that obvious.

Nah, that'll be the play that his boss, Wade, draws up tho
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Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2012, 11:44:06 PM
Seriously just fire Spoelstra tonight and bring in Phil Jackson. What's the point.

You could stick a scarecrow out there on the sidelines as coach for the Heat and it would make no difference.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 03, 2012, 11:44:52 PM
#wadeface
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 03, 2012, 11:47:45 PM
Wade ignored open shooters and any semblance of a play there. Great moves to get free but an ugly twisting shot.

NOT THAT I EVER DOUBTED THE CELTICS WOULD PULL IT OUT he typed with shaking hands
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 03, 2012, 11:48:23 PM
also, holy shit have the Conference Finals redeemed these playoffs or what? Game 5 in SA, Game 5 in Miami will be INTENSE
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2012, 11:49:13 PM
What the fuck was that? Down two...so you waste time around the top of the three point line and throw up a prayer? Granted, Wade had a good shot - but a better defender would have made that an even harder shot. I don't get it. They didn't even try to penetrate.

Time to hire Stan Van Gundy
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 03, 2012, 11:53:01 PM
Chalmers was wide open

and no, the Heat will never re-hire Stan Van Gundy :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 03, 2012, 11:55:21 PM
more likely than putting pat riley and phil jackson in the same room, though!
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Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2012, 11:56:23 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2012, 11:49:13 PM
What the fuck was that? Down two...so you waste time around the top of the three point line and throw up a prayer? Granted, Wade had a good shot - but a better defender would have made that an even harder shot. I don't get it. They didn't even try to penetrate.

Time to hire Stan Van Gundy

The annoying bit for me was not only the typically lazy end of game design that Spolestra always goes with (I expect that though. There is no bar Spolestra won't successfully go beneath) but how wade actually increased the degree of difficulty Kobe style by kicking back and fading on the shot. Wade is a pretty shitty three point shooter period at this stage of his career. He can't afford to not square up and actually shoot a real jumper in rhythm.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2012, 11:56:27 PM
Well Isiah Thomas is currently unemployed...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 04, 2012, 12:11:36 AM
Phil Jackson's first meeting with Lebron and Wade in the off-season.


"Hey guys. I don't know if anybody has told you guys this but you both are pretty sub-par long jump shooters for superstars. So everytime you do that down the stretch or in the final seconds, you are pretty much bailing out the defense and giving them exactly what they want."
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 04, 2012, 12:55:48 AM
That's true but give the Boston D a little credit for keeping them out of the paint this series, at least while KG has been on the floor.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 04, 2012, 02:03:13 AM
Yea, Boston's defense has been good in the last couple games. Still doesn't excuse Miami's inability to exploit double teams, finding the open man, etc in the clutch
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 04, 2012, 02:10:29 AM
Man, if Bradley hadn't been out, the Cs would have taken game 2 and be up 3-1 now. They'd have been able to single-cover Wade and LeBron with KG leaving Turiaf/Anthony to double team or wall the paint shut. You'd have seen some real defense then. Oh well.

Bosh is apparently returning in game 5 but I am hoping the ab injury will mean a lot of short jumpers and missed rebounds, just from watching players like Shaq and Amare (?) in their returns from similar injuries. He'll likely be easily winded too. Unfortunately for him, he's gonna be facing even more insane scrutiny than normal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 04, 2012, 02:23:40 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 04, 2012, 02:03:13 AM
Yea, Boston's defense has been good in the last couple games. Still doesn't excuse Miami's inability to exploit double teams, finding the open man, etc in the clutch

Read this and tell me if you still think it was LeBron's failure and not Boston's success:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1207466-was-lebron-right-or-wrong-to-pass-up-on-last-shot-of-regulation-vs-celtics
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Post by: Stoney Mason on June 04, 2012, 03:44:04 PM
Quote
Heat-Celtics draws big TV rating
Updated: June 4, 2012, 2:34 PM ET

BOSTON -- The Boston Celtics' overtime win over the Miami Heat has drawn the highest preliminary television rating for an NBA playoff game on cable since records started being kept in 2003.

Game 4 of the Eastern Conference finals Sunday night on ESPN produced a 7.9 overnight rating. The network said Monday that was up 39 percent from Game 4 of the 2011 Western Conference finals on ESPN between the Mavericks and Thunder.

In Boston, the game had a 20.7 rating, the highest on cable for an NBA playoff game in the market since records started being kept in 2003.

Ratings represent the percentage of all homes with televisions tuned into a program. Overnight ratings measure the country's largest markets.

According to ESPN, the game also set records on ESPN3 and WatchESPN.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 04, 2012, 07:36:37 PM
I'd love to know what the international figures are, particularly China.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 04, 2012, 07:37:06 PM
Nice to see the NBA becoming big again
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 04, 2012, 08:30:34 PM
I'm perplexed at how ineffective SA's role players have been so far, particularly the shooters. It may be a case of regular season offense crumbling in the face of tough post-season defense but hell, it worked fine for the Spurs in the 1st two rounds. I'm more inclined to believe it's just a shooting slump that could reverse at any time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 04, 2012, 08:34:06 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 04, 2012, 07:37:06 PM
Nice to see the NBA becoming big again

After the Spurs lost two games, people got excited about the NBA again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Beezy on June 04, 2012, 08:40:36 PM
Ginobli is starting tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 04, 2012, 08:42:01 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on June 04, 2012, 08:34:06 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 04, 2012, 07:37:06 PM
Nice to see the NBA becoming big again

After the Spurs lost two games, people got excited about the NBA again.

:rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 04, 2012, 08:51:04 PM
:lol Joe

funny cause it's true

The Conf Finals are redeeming the SHIT out of an otherwise terribad playoffs though. A few weeks ago Spurs over Heat in 5 seemed like a lock....now some are even talking about the Celtics advancing. For most of the last 3 games, the Celtics have looked like the better team, and the Thunder have looked like the better team for most of their series as well. Still, home court will likely decide it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 04, 2012, 08:53:32 PM
lol at the scrum of reporters around Derek Fisher, like he was Obama

The only question they should be asking him is: Derek, when will you just admit you are washed up and go into coaching
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 04, 2012, 09:24:05 PM
really inept game so far, wtf. Nerves?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 04, 2012, 11:22:28 PM
I hope the Thunder can close this game out.  Wouldn't it be crazy if this series only goes 6 games and the Thunder win, whereas the other goes 7 with the winner up in the air?  Dat shit cray.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 04, 2012, 11:36:12 PM
Crazy three by Harden there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 04, 2012, 11:44:56 PM
this game is insane
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 04, 2012, 11:49:13 PM
goddamn the thunder are wicked.  Getting hot at the right fucking time of the year.  Spurs did not  :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 04, 2012, 11:57:32 PM
Spurs were clicking in the 1st two games but the Thunder just have more potential. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 05, 2012, 02:35:31 AM
Shocking. The Spurs just seem to have lost all their depth. Green, Bonner, Neal etc are just looking like lost little lambs due to the Thunder's insane speed in closing out to the 3pt line. Parker's drives have really been slowed by Ibaka and Perkins as well, which is just bizarre. It shouldn't be working! It sure as hell didn't in the first 2 games. NOBODY has been able to slow Parker all season. What the hell is going on here :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2012, 07:55:20 AM
Thunder just have turned it up a notch. Impressive. I still wouldn't count out the Spurs but the Thunder really seem to believe they are the better team.

I fully expect the Heat to win tonight. If they don't god help them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 05, 2012, 09:36:47 AM
I'm really really hoping that Bosh comes back and plays big minutes 'cause I'm pretty sure he'd be ineffective based on past examples of comebacks from that injury. Praying for a reemergence of Turiaf, who has been like a 6th Celtic when he plays.

The Thunder - for ONCE, I'll admit that maybe all the cliches spouted by the announcers might actually have something to them. They are sharing the ball and sticking to the game plan in ways that has been very difficult for them to do consistently before, due to their great individual abilities. Kevin Arnowitz's piece on True Hoop was really good, I thought. The only way you can consistently beat a team like the Spurs is by being consistent and disciplined in your own approach - I didn't expect them to be able to do that enough to win, based on their regular season performance. I thought they still had enough to give the Spurs a run for their money anyway, but never really entertained the prospect that they'd win. But that's why we watch! Great to see some surprises.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 05, 2012, 11:51:34 AM
Also, can we take Lebron's MVP award and give it to Durant now just for this series, then give it back to Lebron?  Dude has not only been wonderful in the post season, but he's letting his teammates makes plays rather than trying to force things.  Lebron has been mostly wonderful this post season but he's been forcing way too much to try and not only make ridonkulous plays, but deferring to shitty teammates.

Also, Durants fourth quarter numbers are insane.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 05, 2012, 07:39:06 PM
Let's not get crazy now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 05, 2012, 08:20:55 PM
oh god this is gonna suck. Beating the Heat at home is an unlikely prospect, and even the games Celtics win this post-season have been hard to watch because of the terrifying runs teams go on when KG sits. I triple-fucking GUARANTEE you that the Heat insert Bosh the second KG goes out each quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 05, 2012, 09:05:59 PM
CHRIS FUCKING BOSH
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 05, 2012, 09:10:05 PM
did you also notice the way LeBron dominated the whole quarter with his defense, something which Durant will probably never do?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 05, 2012, 09:13:07 PM
I actually just got back from the store, so, no.  But hush, I'm one of the biggest Lebron defenders there is  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 05, 2012, 09:23:44 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 05, 2012, 09:10:05 PM
did you also notice the way LeBron dominated the whole quarter with his defense, something which Durant will probably never do?

Yeah, but he's got Spoelstra coaching him up, so it's not really fair.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 05, 2012, 09:28:01 PM
Well, I am priming myself for a Thunder-Heat Finals in which legions of newborn Durant lovers start howling for him to be MVP. He'll get the trophy if the Thunder win of course, but based on their respective play so far, LeBron is clearly a lot better because of defense.

Heat are all pumped up to start but not seeing anything disastrous so far for the Cs. Ray looks a lot better - i think Doc did a subtle psych job with him by asking if he wanted to sit. Ever since, Ray has looked back to his old self. Wade can keep chucking from 3 all day for all I care.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 05, 2012, 09:39:28 PM
When you take LeBron's 30pt games for granted, keep in mind that basically nobody can score on this kind of Celtics D BUT LeBron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 05, 2012, 09:42:33 PM
Bosh has looked good tonight back on the court.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 05, 2012, 09:55:11 PM
He keeps blowing defensive rotations which lead to Rondo assists at the basket so I am glad to see him in there, really. Not as glad as I'd be to see Turiaf or Joel Anthony of course.

This is a winnable game for the Celtics - it's the right pace for them on a poor-shooting night. If they limit the transition opportunities and keep getting Wade to take long jumpers, they can scrape out a close win. It's unlikely, but it's the type of game they CAN win.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 05, 2012, 10:34:59 PM
unf unf unf

YOU BITCHES BETTER CREDIT THE CELTICS DEFENSE, no talk of Miami poor shooting or careless TOs allowed
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 05, 2012, 10:38:03 PM
anyone remember that Wade guy? Bueller?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 05, 2012, 10:43:21 PM
amazing steal from Cole there
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 05, 2012, 10:56:23 PM
Hey I'm back, sorry Cormac my neighbor and I had had a few beers.

I saw that block by Wade, looked sick.  Celtics keeping the Heat scoring very low, very impressive.  Lebron been playing well?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 05, 2012, 11:04:49 PM
The Celtics may not win this but they are outworking the Heat and have them flustered. LeBron has disengaged and stopped attacking the zone...he better get back to what he was doing before if the Heat want to win this. Bosh banished to the bench after his defensive lapses sparked that Celtics 3Q comeback.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 05, 2012, 11:07:46 PM
Ah okay.  Hm.  I'd've put Bosh back for a few minutes to try and get some perimeter jumpshots, but at this time, Lebron Wade and someone else need to be doing their thing.

Also, fuck Wade.  Dude NEVER gets back set for defense after a shot.  Sometimes he's just an annoying cunting player.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2012, 11:08:45 PM
holy fuck @ Pierce
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 05, 2012, 11:09:05 PM
Pierce just daggered the fuck out of Miami  :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 05, 2012, 11:09:39 PM
Looks like another Heat meltdown.   :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 05, 2012, 11:11:26 PM
The Heat are hustling on offense but not on D. It's almost as if Spoelstra's exhortations to stay the pace and grind it out aren't working!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: benjipwns on June 05, 2012, 11:11:34 PM
Boston knows what they want to execute down the stretch, Miami still seems to have no idea.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 05, 2012, 11:14:57 PM
good call on the Pierce blocking foul, i have to admit
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 05, 2012, 11:16:20 PM
You know what?  A Celtics Thunder finals would actually be really interesting.   BOTH teams have played all their series' very close to the opposing teams, no matter the seed.  They obviously have coaches/players that know how to make adjustments to the gameplan and have a lot clutch shooters.

I'm rooting for the Heat, but damn if the Finals for the Celtics/Thunder won't be exciting.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2012, 11:16:31 PM
Bad coach. Bad bench. Combined with being a mentally weak team when it comes to toughness. And Lebron always seems to not be there on offense when it really matters.

That's the Heat.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 05, 2012, 11:17:09 PM
2pt game. Don't want Ray or Rondo shooting the inevitable FTs. Please let it be Pierce
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 05, 2012, 11:17:55 PM
come on Ray
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 05, 2012, 11:18:03 PM
yessssssssssssssss
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 05, 2012, 11:18:17 PM
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

never doubted you buddy :)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 05, 2012, 11:18:24 PM
Spo game plan now:

"GET IT TO HASLEM!!!!"

*cue wtf's from lebron and wade
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 05, 2012, 11:19:42 PM
REALLY nice drive by lebron

WHY THE FUCK HAVEN'T YOU DONE THAT ALL GAME
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2012, 11:20:26 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 05, 2012, 11:19:42 PM
REALLY nice drive by lebron

WHY THE FUCK HAVEN'T YOU DONE THAT ALL GAME

They were allowing anybody to drive and weren't going to foul.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 05, 2012, 11:21:24 PM
have you never seen a basketball game Brand New - that's a guaranteed 2 points for ANYBODY in that situation
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 05, 2012, 11:21:29 PM
oh.

i'm distinguished mentally-challenged  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 05, 2012, 11:21:45 PM
also LeBron was driving like crazy in the 1st quarter
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 05, 2012, 11:22:10 PM
this is fucking crazy, Thunder - Celtics finals on the cards :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 05, 2012, 11:23:26 PM
lol at KG dragging Pietrus into the huddle.

Come on dude, you're guarding LeBron in a tight game, focus
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2012, 11:23:44 PM
lmao @ the kid yelling "good job, good effort!"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 05, 2012, 11:23:50 PM
goddamit.

I sincerely hope the Heat step the fuck up in Boston.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 05, 2012, 11:24:12 PM
GET IN

that was a fucking TRIP
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 05, 2012, 11:24:49 PM
we could be in for an all-time KG presser here
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: bachikarn on June 05, 2012, 11:25:18 PM
goddamnit miami
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 05, 2012, 11:25:36 PM
Riley better start planning for next season. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 05, 2012, 11:28:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6lL5pbIImY
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 05, 2012, 11:29:57 PM
:rofl :rofl :rofl

miami

THE BEST JESUS CHRIST SPORTS FUCKING OWN

:lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2012, 11:33:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkEDZHkdzM8

RIP Miami. Another LeBron disappearance act
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 05, 2012, 11:34:50 PM
LBJ: I'm bringing my disappearing act to the Orlando Magic!


spoiler (click to show/hide)
  :fbm
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 05, 2012, 11:40:33 PM
I was thinking of buying these Lebron elites on ebay but screw it now.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NIKE-LEBRON-9-PS-ELITE-SOUTH-BEACH-2012-Wolf-Grey-Mint-Candy-100-TRUSTED-SELLER-/320912573400?pt=US_Childrens_Shoes&var=&hash=item4ab7e143d8
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: pilonv1 on June 05, 2012, 11:44:59 PM
GOOD JON GOOD EFFORT
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: benjipwns on June 05, 2012, 11:46:46 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/yx6ui.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/ry80o.png)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7io6gs5A7U
Quote
The kid is already in talks to become the new coach of the Miami Heat
slevick47 11 minutes ago 45 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 05, 2012, 11:47:37 PM
I think this one is more on Wade than on LeBron. He disappeared early and often, and the jogging back on D was inexcusable in a game like this. He looked perfectly healthy on offense.

That said, LeBron sure could have done more. Far too much spotting up in the 4th.

Basically, as of the Conf Finals, the playoffs have stopped making sense to anybody and I love it. We could see a game 7 in both. Anything could still happen here.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2012, 11:49:55 PM
Too bad the league is rigging this series to favor the Celtics. I hate Stern!


Remember what I said about a certain poster who only seems to pop up when the narrative fits what he already wants to post about.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Like a Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 05, 2012, 11:51:20 PM
http://www.nba.com/live1/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Like a Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 05, 2012, 11:55:17 PM
NO KG BOO
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Like a Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 06, 2012, 12:15:32 AM
(http://media.lockerdome.com/uploads/84f240e4781a283bd34efc9a466b98a6_large)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Like a Bosh)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 06, 2012, 12:30:58 AM
I'm rooting for Spurs-Celts with a snore-fest Spurs win in 4 or 5, anything to make David Stern's life miserable.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Like a Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 06, 2012, 12:35:03 AM
Thunder - Celtics would set up the most cliche-ridden announcing of all time I think.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Like a Bosh)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 06, 2012, 12:39:51 AM
I was going to make a longish post about Spolestra again. But what's the point. I've made dozens of those.

What's weird about this series is that compared to the Mavericks, who I really did think were the better team at a certain point in that series, its harder for me to reconcile the celtics beating the heat for some reason because I intellectually feel this shouldn't be happening.

In that sense its far worse than last season. Last season was disappointing because like most people I buried my head in the sand all year despite what my eyes were telling me. This season I know all the flaws but they still should be able to beat the Celtics. The fact that they seem unable to is a failure on so many fronts. There would be less shame in losing to the Spurs or the The Thunder because you could just say those are better teams. When you are losing to the Celtics, the way they are, it says something more about character, and pressure, and coaching and structural flaws about how you respond to such things. My new theory is that Wade is too selfish, and Lebron is too passive to ever take this team to where it needs to go.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Like a Bosh)
Post by: benjipwns on June 06, 2012, 12:50:14 AM
You have to figure that most any team would trade for LeBron except a couple maybe, but who would take Wade and what could they get for him? The Knicks for Chandler?

Can they even trade Wade since he won the franchise its ring?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Like a Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 06, 2012, 12:53:12 AM
I think most of the problem is that Bosh got hurt, really. There are other legit issues, yes - they got far too confused by Boston's defensive shenanigans (going in and out of zone). LeBron was gassed (or scared) in the 4th. Wade was lazy on D. But basically add Bosh back for all 5 games and the Heat would be up by now for sure.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Erik Spoelstra great coach or greatest coach)
Post by: etiolate on June 06, 2012, 01:19:00 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2012, 11:49:55 PM
Too bad the league is rigging this series to favor the Celtics. I hate Stern!


Remember what I said about a certain poster who only seems to pop up when the narrative fits what he already wants to post about.

Remember when I said I wasn't watching the playoffs anymore
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Like a Bosh)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 06, 2012, 02:00:08 AM
Even as the #1 Lebron fan here, I've to admit that he's just not quite himself when the game gets tight.  You can tell he was rushing.  Good things hardly ever happen when you start playing outside of your usual rhythm. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Like a Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 06, 2012, 02:12:23 AM
Quote
Highest FG pct in Clutch
This Postseason, Min. 10 FGA
FG   FG pct
Paul Pierce   12-19   63.2
Kevin Durant   12-20   60.0
Chris Paul   8-15   53.3
Rajon Rondo   16-31   51.6
Andrew Bynum   5-10   50.0
>>Clutch: Last 5:00 of
4th Qtr/OT, +/- 5 Pts

The Celtics’ clutch factor can largely be attributed this postseason to Pierce and Rajon Rondo. Pierce is 12-for-19 (63.2 percent) in the final five minutes of five-point games this postseason, the highest field goal percentage of any player who has attempted at least 10 clutch shots.

No player has made more clutch shots this postseason than Rondo, who is 16-for-31. On those same shot attempts, LeBron is just 6-for-19 (31.6 percent) and Wade is 8-for-20 (40 percent).

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/44879/celtics-are-clutch-down-the-stretch

Rondo + Pierce :bow
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Like a Bosh)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 06, 2012, 03:18:14 AM
LOL Stats

Where's the greatest clutch player of our time? 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Like a Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 06, 2012, 03:56:42 AM
Rondo was 3-15 tonight of course, Allen 2-9. But it was won with defense, not offense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Like a Bosh)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 06, 2012, 07:51:16 AM
Quote from: etiolate on June 06, 2012, 01:19:00 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2012, 11:49:55 PM
Too bad the league is rigging this series to favor the Celtics. I hate Stern!


Remember what I said about a certain poster who only seems to pop up when the narrative fits what he already wants to post about.

Remember when I said I wasn't watching the playoffs anymore

yeah that was a great decision ::)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Like a Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 06, 2012, 07:57:24 AM
:lol

he doesn't need to watch, the narrative was forged in the Age of the Vanir by Sauron Himself
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Like a Bosh)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 06, 2012, 12:13:01 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on June 06, 2012, 02:00:08 AM
Even as the #1 Lebron fan here, I've to admit that he's just not quite himself when the game gets tight.  You can tell he was rushing.  Good things hardly ever happen when you start playing outside of your usual rhythm.

Lebron has a very hard time driving late in the game and getting a good shot because he's too big and not an amazing ball handler. I mean he's good for his size but its much more difficult for a 6-8 built like a train dude  to go driving through the teeth of a defense late in the game when everybody is locked in on stopping that one thing and little dudes with fast hands are trying to strip the ball away.

Which then leaves him to either take a sketchy jumper or pass. He's got such flak on his jumper that I think he's a bit intimidated at this point to take them.

Note this generally only becomes an issue against elite defenses or elite defensive players but at this stage that's what you are facing when you go deep in the playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Like a Bosh)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 06, 2012, 01:43:53 PM
Are the Thunder dead yet?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Like a Bosh)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 06, 2012, 01:46:22 PM
Somewhat basketball-related:

http://deadspin.com/5916245/how-a-teenager-with-a-fake-escort-service-duped-darren-rovell-and-cnbc
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Like a Bosh)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 06, 2012, 01:57:50 PM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on June 06, 2012, 01:46:22 PM
Somewhat basketball-related:

http://deadspin.com/5916245/how-a-teenager-with-a-fake-escort-service-duped-darren-rovell-and-cnbc

Sounds better than the fifth season of The Wire
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Like a Bosh)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 06, 2012, 05:47:33 PM
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In 1998, Larry Bird coached Michael Jordan in the All-Star Game at Madison Square Garden. The next year he published a book with Jackie MacMullan called "Bird Watching: On Playing and Coaching the Game I Love."

More than a dozen years after the fact, allow me to point out the book is fascinating and fun to read, and includes this anecdote from the "Space Jam" set:
The movie people really took care of us. They had this big room in the hotel filled with food, drinks, anything you wanted. One cooler had beer, another had soda, another had sandwiches. And then there was this big cooler marked MICHAEL ONLY.

You weren't supposed to touch that one, because it was all Michael Jordan's special stuff they flew in just for him. So one day Bill Murray and I are sitting in there, and I go over to Michael's cooler and lift up the lid.

There was this girl there, and her only job was to make sure everything was just right for Michael Jordan, and she starts yelling at me, "Larry, you can't go in there!" I said, "What are you talking about? That's bull. Everyone here is family." She was getting all nervous and said,"No, no. Those are all the things Michael told me he wanted, and if you take something out of there, Michael won't be able to have it, and we just can't let that happen!"

Bill Murray is laughing the whole time listening to this, because whenever Michael walked into the room he always went to one of the other coolers and pulled something out, just like the rest of us. He hardly ever opened his own cooler.

Anyhow, I waited until the girl left, then I reached in and started grabbing stuff out of Michael's cooler and throwing it out to the crew, all over the set. I threw it everywhere! Gatorade bottles, some special drink he liked, candy bars ... She was so mad at me.

For the rest of our stay, every time I went by that cooler I took something out.

 :lol


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QKIcnY4tnM
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Like a Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 06, 2012, 08:06:48 PM
The Prof takes his lumps a bit here, in respect to Thunder-Spurs.

The best explanation I saw for the Celtics' success was a one-word tweet last night: TEEEBBBOOOOOWWWW

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Welcome to the West finals, where up is down, left is right and white is black. Everything we thought coming in has been turned completely upside-down, and now Oklahoma City stands on the brink of the Western Conference title.

The signature moment of how everything in the Thunder-Spurs series has been flipped on its head came in the second quarter of Game 5, when Oklahoma City put in little-used Daequan Cook to steal a few minutes of rest for the starters and he promptly made three straight jumpers, two of them 3-pointers.

Here were the Thunder, using precision passing and shooting to get wide-open shots for their role players, and the role players were knocking them down.

You know, just like the Spurs were supposed to do to the Thunder.

Western Conference Playoffs
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The facts of this series are that every advantage for San Antonio has instead become a disadvantage, and the things that were supposed to be Oklahoma City's advantages haven't really worked out that way.

Take turnovers, for instance. The Thunder had the league's worst percentage in the regular season, with turnovers on 17 percent of their possessions, while the Spurs were at the other end of the spectrum, ranking second with miscues on only 14.2 percent of possessions. Both teams were near the bottom in forcing turnovers, so the turnover battle figured to favor the Spurs by about three possessions per game.

In reality, the Spurs are flinging the ball all over the gym, with 83 turnovers in the five games compared to just 59 for the supposedly younger and wilder Thunder. On a per-game basis, this is a massive swing -- we expected San Antonio to be plus-3, and instead the Thunder are plus-5. Eight possessions per game, especially the way these teams are shooting, is death -- a nearly nine-point swing. It's the difference between Oklahoma City and Toronto, basically, or between Miami and Golden State.

The other end of the spectrum shows similar results. The pass-happy Spurs were supposed to dissect the undisciplined Thunder with ball movement; San Antonio assisted on 58.5 percent of its regular-season baskets, putting it above the league average, while the Thunder were dead last at 49.7 percent. Moreover, the Spurs led the league defensively by permitting assists on just 51.4 percent of opponent makes.

With the worst assist team playing the best assist defense, you'd figure the Thunder would be iso-ing themselves to oblivion. Instead, they have more assists than the Spurs in the series, with a robust 55.6 percent of their field goals coming with a dime.

Or consider the pace. I wrote after Game 3 that the Thunder needed to play slower in order to beat San Antonio, since the Spurs were basically invincible in up-tempo games. Not in Game 5 they weren't. That game was crazy fast (102 possessions per side, with virtually no pace-fattening intentional fouls) and the Thunder won anyway. Not supposed to happen.

Look deeper and you'll see the Thunder have swallowed up the Spurs' running game; San Antonio averaged 13.1 fast-break points per game in the regular season but are getting only 8.6 this series, while the Thunder have been unaffected, sitting right at their season average of 16.1 per game. Their advantage is nearly double -- 83 to 43.

But let's get back to Cook again, because the signature difference between expectations and reality in this series is the fact that the Thunder's role players are just destroying San Antonio's. Roster spots 4 through 13 were supposed to be the Spurs' domain, offsetting the star power of the Thunder's young guns, but it hasn't worked out that way.

For the Thunder, Derek Fisher is the only reserve to play poorly, shooting 33.3 percent for the series. Otherwise? Check it out:

•  Serge Ibaka is blocking shots, to nobody's surprise, but also knocking down midrange jumpers left and right -- most notably when he went 11-of-11 in Game 4.

•  Kendrick Perkins, though still obscenely turnover-prone, has largely shut down Tim Duncan's post game and has been just enough of an offensive threat (8.9 points per 40 minutes) to command attention.

•  Nick Collison is shooting 75 percent, averaging nearly a steal every 12 minutes, and has taken an estimated 483 charges.

•  Thabo Sefolosha owned Game 3, and for the series is averaging 12.4 points, 7.0 rebounds and 3.4 steals per 40 minutes -- all major improvements on his regular season output.

•  And Cook, obviously, went nuts in his Game 5 cameo.

This wasn't supposed to happen. Fisher, Cook, Sefolosha and Perkins all had single-digit PERs in the regular season, with Fisher's a ghastly 5.9 in 20 games with the Thunder; Collision hit a more respectable 12.1, but only Ibaka was above the league average.

Meanwhile, it's been the exact opposite for San Antonio. While Manu Ginobili has been mostly brilliant and Tony Parker has outplayed Russell Westbrook, the Spurs' bench hasn't delivered. In particular, San Antonio's second unit has been completely eviscerated on defense, mostly by the players mentioned above.

Just look at the team's defensive efficiency, using the NBA.com advanced stats tool. When Duncan, Parker, Boris Diaw or Danny Green are on the court, the Spurs' defensive efficiency is in the low 100s, which is more than enough to win. But the subs? Yuck. With Matt Bonner, it's 114.9. With Stephen Jackson, it's 117.7. With Gary Neal, it's 124.8. And with Tiago Splitter, it's an unspeakable 129.4.

The Spurs might be able to overcome this if they could make the Thunder pay at the other end, but they mostly haven't. The only San Antonio role players to score effectively have been Jackson and Kawhi Leonard.

Otherwise:

•  Gary Neal is showing the downside to Bill Simmons's "irrational confidence guy," helping shoot the Spurs to a Game 1 win but raining bricks since; Neal is at 37.5 percent for the series.

•  Danny Green is at 26.7 percent and is just 4-of-22 on his trademark 3-pointers.

•  Matt Bonner has made one shot the entire series. One.

•  Splitter's otherwise effective play has been neutralized by his inability to make foul shots and the Thunder's resulting zest for fouling him. He's just 9-of-23 at the line for the series.

This isn't the lone reason the Spurs trail, of course; there's also the fact that Kevin Durant has been brilliant, and Duncan largely hasn't (42.6 percent from the floor), and that Harden has matched Ginobili shot for shot without the turnovers.

But mostly, the reason the Thunder are up 3-2 is because they've had the advantage in areas that figured to be a huge edge for the Spurs. San Antonio has to take better care of the ball, find shots for its role players, and have those players perform. For a 40-game stretch, the Spurs did all those things as well as any team in history. But for the past three games, the Thunder have done them far more effectively.
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Like a Bosh)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 06, 2012, 08:35:13 PM
I'm so tired of the ininite loop of Doom v Partial Doom that dominates the Heat narrative. Same shit happened during the Pacers series with various people proclaiming the demise of the Heat, blow up the team, trade everyone, etc. And if the Heat come back and win the media the cycle will move on to "the Heat made an epic comeback, but how good are they really?" It's just an infinite loop of ESPN milking the team's popularity/hype for attention and it's played the fuck out.

I was watching a clip just now of Tim Legler giving the Heat a 1-3 out of 10 chance of winning tomorrow. Seriously? Lemme dust off the Nastradarkmas hat and make my prediction right now: Heat win tomorrow . Bosh will play more and should through KG off just enough.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Like a Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 06, 2012, 09:06:24 PM
The Celtics have a terrible record in those situations actually. I fully expect them to lose badly at home, then for game 7 in Miami to be a coin-flip
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Like a Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 06, 2012, 09:07:00 PM
god, Reggie Miller

just sayin'

So tired of his shit
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Like a Bosh)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 06, 2012, 09:12:48 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 06, 2012, 09:07:00 PM
god, Reggie Miller

just sayin'

So tired of his shit
whats he saying
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Like a Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 06, 2012, 09:26:22 PM
The Spurs are back, Stephen Jackson making love to pressure
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Like a Bosh)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 06, 2012, 09:27:56 PM
It's not hard to win 6 on 4.  Thunder Killa aka Derek Fisher is having a huge impact so far. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Like a Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 06, 2012, 09:35:40 PM
It seems hard to believe that Perkins in particular will continue to shoot better than Neal, Green, Leonard and Bonner (where IS he?)

The Thunder are sure to make a run but it is looking like we'll get a game 7 so far.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Like a Bosh)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 06, 2012, 09:40:39 PM
I just don't get why Fisher gets critical minutes in a big game.  Is it some kinda joke like Free Darko?  I don't think OKC can afford it yet. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Like a Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 06, 2012, 09:45:49 PM
Well, they don't have much in the way of back-up for Westbrook. They mostly give the ball to Harden when Westbrook is out so damage is mostly limited...

but yeah, when they go small, they really need to go Ibaka, Durant, Sefolosha, Harden, Westbrook rather than sitting Sefolosha for Fisher
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Like a Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 06, 2012, 09:56:46 PM
reversion to the mean at last, the entirety of rational sports analysis not actually overturned after all
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Like a Bosh)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 06, 2012, 10:44:13 PM
hell of a game, Stephen Jackson like a BAWSE

Momentum with the Thunder for sure but I'm not gonna call this one with both teams playing so well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Like a Bosh)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 06, 2012, 11:22:24 PM
James Hardened
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Like a Bosh)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 06, 2012, 11:27:07 PM
DEREK FISHER
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Like a Bosh)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 06, 2012, 11:27:12 PM
Looks like the Thunder will take this. Hella impressive to beat a very good team like the Spurs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 06, 2012, 11:30:18 PM
See what happens when you draft and trade well, Joe Dumars?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 06, 2012, 11:33:11 PM
4 wins in a row, on a team that won 20. That's just fucking INCREDIBLE. The rest of the league has to be quaking now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Mandark on June 06, 2012, 11:38:07 PM
Man, hectic schedule has meant I've barely been able to catch any playoff games after the first round, and it was looking like I wouldn't miss much...

 :maf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 06, 2012, 11:41:19 PM
Your 2012 champs!  Congrats!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 06, 2012, 11:42:03 PM
OKC looks like they could dominate for a long time
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 06, 2012, 11:44:04 PM
FUCK.

Go Eastern Conference Team!!!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 06, 2012, 11:44:11 PM
I think nearly everybody thought the Thunder had an offense that was capable of playing at this level. But I don't think most people (Ibaka aside) thought they were capable of it from the defensive end. They really closed out on the shooters on San Antonio with a speed that no other team has really been able to show.

Like I said, for me that was the NBA finals probably. It's hard to see Miami or Boston beating either of those two teams in a series. Stranger things have happened though I guess.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 06, 2012, 11:45:43 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on June 06, 2012, 11:41:19 PM
Your 2012 champs!  Congrats!

thanks man, good to know you have as much faith in the Celtics as I do
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 06, 2012, 11:46:23 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 06, 2012, 11:44:11 PM
I think nearly everybody thought the Thunder had an offense that was capable of playing at this level. But I don't think most people (Ibaka aside) thought they were capable of it from the defensive end. They really closed out on the shooters on San Antonio with a speed that no other team has really been able to show.

Like I said, for me that was the NBA finals probably. It's hard to see Miami or Boston beating either of those two teams in a series. Stranger things have happened though I guess.

Like a team that had won 20 straight losing 4 straight?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 06, 2012, 11:48:41 PM
The Celtics absolutely have a shot against the Thunder.  If there's one thing the Celtics have shown, they play at the same level as their competition.

Doesn't mean I think they'll win though.  If its Celtics/Thunder, Thunder in 6.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 06, 2012, 11:51:18 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 06, 2012, 11:45:43 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on June 06, 2012, 11:41:19 PM
Your 2012 champs!  Congrats!

thanks man, good to know you have as much faith in the Celtics as I do

I res.pect the Celts but y'all know that Im the biggest Thunder fan.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 06, 2012, 11:56:43 PM
BrandNew thinks the Cs have a chance

(http://th306.photobucket.com/albums/nn252/Snake-Man_2008/Forum%20Fodder/th_suicidesmiley.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 06, 2012, 11:58:11 PM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on June 06, 2012, 11:46:23 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 06, 2012, 11:44:11 PM
I think nearly everybody thought the Thunder had an offense that was capable of playing at this level. But I don't think most people (Ibaka aside) thought they were capable of it from the defensive end. They really closed out on the shooters on San Antonio with a speed that no other team has really been able to show.

Like I said, for me that was the NBA finals probably. It's hard to see Miami or Boston beating either of those two teams in a series. Stranger things have happened though I guess.

Like a team that had won 20 straight losing 4 straight?

Hollinger on twitter
Quote
So, if 94.2% of teams up 2-0 advance, it means cumulative probability of OKC-Bos Finals was 0.3% -- that's 3-in-1,000 -- on Thursday.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: etiolate on June 07, 2012, 01:32:03 AM
My playoff boycott means I won't have to watch ABC's shite coverage. :rock
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 01:32:49 AM
really, an awesome life choice there
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 07, 2012, 01:34:39 AM
Reggie Miller is horrible.  At least we don't have to listen to Shaq during the whole game. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 07, 2012, 02:17:05 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 06, 2012, 11:58:11 PM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on June 06, 2012, 11:46:23 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 06, 2012, 11:44:11 PM
I think nearly everybody thought the Thunder had an offense that was capable of playing at this level. But I don't think most people (Ibaka aside) thought they were capable of it from the defensive end. They really closed out on the shooters on San Antonio with a speed that no other team has really been able to show.

Like I said, for me that was the NBA finals probably. It's hard to see Miami or Boston beating either of those two teams in a series. Stranger things have happened though I guess.

Like a team that had won 20 straight losing 4 straight?

Hollinger on twitter
Quote
So, if 94.2% of teams up 2-0 advance, it means cumulative probability of OKC-Bos Finals was 0.3% -- that's 3-in-1,000 -- on Thursday.

It's no end to the 2011 MLB regular season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 02:22:05 AM
alright tell us about the baseballs Dad  :zzz
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 07, 2012, 02:22:34 AM
I hate baseball cuz it's so hard to tell who's gonna be champion
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 02:24:51 AM
I don't hate any other sports, but I get far more out of the only one I do watch (basketball) because I put the time I do have into it. When I watch the World Cup or the Olympics or something, I feel like such a fucking tourist. I actually LISTEN to the commentators and learn things!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 07, 2012, 02:27:24 AM
you aren't into football cormac?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 07, 2012, 02:28:23 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 02:22:05 AM
alright tell us about the baseballs Dad  :zzz
better than watching these thugs

oh wait they are now hipsters that flop
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 07, 2012, 02:29:01 AM
I used to love football but now I despise everything about it.  I guess it probably has something to do with the 5hr parking lot parties outside my dorm on every saturday.  The whole football culture is just so stupid. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 07, 2012, 02:30:05 AM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on June 07, 2012, 02:28:23 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 02:22:05 AM
alright tell us about the baseballs Dad  :zzz
better than watching these thugs

oh wait they are now hipsters that flop

Don't hate the playas hate the game.  Admit it.  You beaners are just too short and unathletic to be good at hoops.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 07, 2012, 02:30:43 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on June 07, 2012, 02:30:05 AM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on June 07, 2012, 02:28:23 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 02:22:05 AM
alright tell us about the baseballs Dad  :zzz
better than watching these thugs

oh wait they are now hipsters that flop

Don't hate the playas hate the game.  Admit it.  You beaners are just too short and unathletic to be good at hoops.

I was good in elementary school.  :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 02:32:55 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 07, 2012, 02:27:24 AM
you aren't into football cormac?

nope. I mean, I messed about as a kid like everyone else but I went to a rugby school so never played seriously. And I wore glasses back then so I could never play rugby. Which is great, 'cause I still have all my teeth unlike most of my friends from back then.

As entertainment, I despised sports. I used to hate Saturdays in Britain 'cause the tv was nothing but soccer and horse racing. I was into books, mostly. This whole NBA thing is some kind of adult-onset disease, like diabetes  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 07, 2012, 02:33:09 AM
Go play some pickup with the kids then.  Dunking on a 8ft rim is always fun. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 07, 2012, 02:43:17 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 02:32:55 AM
This whole NBA thing is some kind of adult-onset disease, like diabetes  :lol

or BBC obsession according to PD
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 07, 2012, 02:52:26 AM
BTW, you're totally right about MLB champions, Smooth. If any American sport wanted to rationally crown its champions in the way European football leagues do, it's baseball with its 162-game season. Basketball and hockey have their best-of-7 series playoffs, too, along with 82 game seasons, but hockey playoff OT is uniquely amazing and basketball has so many possessions the best team wins almost all of the time anyway. The Phillies were undoubtedly the best team in baseball last year, despite losing in the first round of the playoffs. That stuff doesn't happen in other American sports.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 02:55:29 AM
NCAA basketball? Not to wake the sleeping DJ Tet et all but man, what a crapshoot
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 07, 2012, 02:57:13 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 02:55:29 AM
NCAA basketball? Not to wake the sleeping DJ Tet et all but man, what a crapshoot

Ah yeah I thought about that, but I figured I'd keep it to professional sports. That playoff format is just meant for maximum...madness. Sorry.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 03:04:20 AM
The only way it is not 'professional' is that they don't pay the players straight-up as far as I can see but yeah.

Listening to Dan LeBatard on Bill Simmons now, much humble pie being eaten
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2012, 03:42:06 AM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on June 07, 2012, 02:28:23 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 02:22:05 AM
alright tell us about the baseballs Dad  :zzz
better than watching these thugs

oh wait they are now hipsters that flop
:lol

I'm using this next time I hear people celebrating the freshness and professionalism of the clean cut Jeremy Lin/Tim Tebow
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: etiolate on June 07, 2012, 04:15:57 AM
They need to seriously cut out the flopping, but they can't do that until they cut out the superstar calls. 

So get used to flopping.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: pilonv1 on June 07, 2012, 08:29:31 AM
I seem to remember someone telling me Nick Collison wouldn't win a ring this year :smug
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 08:43:27 AM
I seem to remember you agreeing with me
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 07, 2012, 10:01:11 AM
Durant is a beast. OKC will crush the old men Celtics if the Heat lose tonight.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 07, 2012, 11:48:59 AM
I firmly believe that KJ and Hondo will win tonight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sakiGDVr7Ng
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Like a Bosh)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 07, 2012, 11:55:45 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 06, 2012, 12:15:32 AM
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http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Good-Job-Good-Effort-Heat-Fan-Tells-Team-Not-To-Give-Up-157615025.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 07, 2012, 11:55:51 AM
Jeff Van Gundy said haters need to get off Spoelstra's back because he's doing a great coaching job. And if there's anybody that knows about great coaching, it's Jeff Van Gundy; he's had a lot of it used against him over the years.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 07, 2012, 11:59:50 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on June 07, 2012, 11:55:51 AM
Jeff Van Gundy said haters need to get off Spoelstra's back because he's doing a great coaching job. And if there's anybody that knows about great coaching, it's Jeff Van Gundy; he's had a lot of it used on him over the years.

Van Gundy is always harping on about things like refs and player behavior in certain cases. It's bizarre he won't turn that critical eye towards his own peers.

Equally as bad as the coaching though has been the GM work.

Bibby, Battier, Miller, etc have all been blown calls.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2012, 01:17:06 PM
Yea, Miami has dropped the ball as an organization, not just as a team. It's sometime hard to even call them a team when you see three guys doing nearly everything.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 07:51:07 PM
:drudge

HERE IS YOUR NARRATIVE FOR TODAY, NBA ASSFEEDERS. SUCK FROM THE BITTER TEAT OF DARTH STERN AND YE WILL KNOW ONLY DISAPPOINTMENT AND RAGE

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/14698/dan-crawford-the-heat-and-the-1-9-percent
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 07, 2012, 07:55:03 PM
Does anyone else here think that the complaining about flopping has become even more annoying than flopping?  Sometimes I just wanna slap JVG.  He's like those super outraged mofos at GAF. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 08:01:55 PM
I don't see how flopping is any more egregious than flailing as if you were going to shoot 50 feet from the basket at the slightest contact, say.

JVG's complaining about flopping has a little whiff of insulted macho pride about it. I think sometimes it's a flop, sometimes it's a charge, very occasionally it's too close to call and you call a jump ball. It's not a sport that allows for perfect refereeing decisions every time.


Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2012, 08:03:00 PM
I'd have to see what teams Miami actually played during the Crawford game, the situations, etc. This reeks of the type of meaningless sports stat porn people love in the NBA

NFL has real stats :bow
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: pilonv1 on June 07, 2012, 08:06:36 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 08:43:27 AM
I seem to remember you agreeing with me

That doesn't sound like something I'd say...

Quote from: Smooth Groove on June 07, 2012, 07:55:03 PM
Does anyone else here think that the complaining about flopping has become even more annoying than flopping?  Sometimes I just wanna slap JVG.  He's like those super outraged mofos at GAF. 

The only thing that's worse than that is the idiot media who want charges eliminated. Can't believe Bob Ryan of all people was on PTI the other day saying charges should be eliminated.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 08:25:17 PM
Either my memory is faulty then, or you are not who I think you are on twitter :lol

Didn't we talk about this, and you ended up saying 'I don't think he'll get one either actually, but he will one day' or somesuch?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 08:37:19 PM
SO FUCKING HYPE FOR THIS UGLY-ASS GAME

Who knows what will happen? The Celtics make no sense. Their offense is incompetent....but somehow they manage to put up 30-plus point quarters on the Heat before dropping back to 12. They are the worst rebounding team in the world, but outboarded the Heat by 10 in the last game. They are just somehow - BARELY - getting the job done, like John McClane.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: pilonv1 on June 07, 2012, 08:42:51 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 08:25:17 PM
Either my memory is faulty then, or you are not who I think you are on twitter :lol

Didn't we talk about this, and you ended up saying 'I don't think he'll get one either actually, but he will one day' or somesuch?

I have no idea what you're talking about

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 07, 2012, 08:46:41 PM
When did basketball fans start chanting asshole and bullshit?  Sadly, it's not just limited to hicktowns.  Both Boston and New York have been guilty of this.  People shouldn't be allowed to be fuckwads just because they bought tickets. 

Also, the MVP chants for non-MVPS are fucking annoying but Lakers fans are completely to blame for that trend. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 08:51:33 PM
Agreed. That 'good job, good effort' kid is so bizarre because every other kid in an NBA arena is being taught to heap abuse on the opposing team from the tip
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 08:58:16 PM
LeBron killing it again in the first. He really might want to think about saving himself a bit. For his reputation and mental health, 10pts in the 4th is >>>>>> 20 pts in the first.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 07, 2012, 09:00:59 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 08:51:33 PM
Agreed. That 'good job, good effort' kid is so bizarre because every other kid in an NBA arena is being taught to heap abuse on the opposing team from the tip

That kid was a Heat fan.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 09:08:39 PM
I know?  The sincerity was obvious, and Stoney's link confirms it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 09:19:40 PM
Get the strong feeling that LeBron is gonna play all 48 and end up floating around the perimeter exhausted in the 4th again. Wade really needs to pick up the fucking baton at some point. What else can LeBron do without help?

r
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 09:42:24 PM
knuckle push-ups after being fouled is what is best in life
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: pilonv1 on June 07, 2012, 09:55:30 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 09:19:40 PM
Get the strong feeling that LeBron is gonna play all 48 and end up floating around the perimeter exhausted in the 4th again. Wade really needs to pick up the fucking baton at some point. What else can LeBron do without help?

r

The rest of the team is 9/25, second half is going to be messy I think.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 10:04:24 PM
He is the baddest man on the planet but no-one can reasonably expect him to carry them all the way. He is getting a bit of a breather due to Pierce being in foul trouble/playing like shit.

I think this is still totally winnable for the Celtics but KG is off despite Rondo being amazing. Likely will go down to the last 2 mins again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Huff on June 07, 2012, 10:10:41 PM
What was the reason for that tech?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 10:15:11 PM
technically you're not supposed to touch the ball after it goes through. KG caught it and threw it at Battier a bit too hard I think. Ridiculous. This shit actually fired the Celtics up though, seen it many times :)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Huff on June 07, 2012, 10:18:06 PM
I've been watching the game on mute and had no idea what actually happened.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 07, 2012, 10:19:06 PM
lebron is crazy
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 07, 2012, 10:22:29 PM
I'm not even gonna bother to see if people are crying about the refs tonight
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 10:24:01 PM
haha, LeBron gets a tech for slamming the ball, Ray hits the FT, then LeBron rebounds it and slams it back at the ref, no tech
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 07, 2012, 10:30:59 PM
fucking hell, bron bron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 10:34:05 PM
You can only hope he gets tired at this point. but he doesn't LOOK tired - he just looks pissed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 07, 2012, 10:37:23 PM
amazing move by wade there

also the celtics aren't hitting shit
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 10:41:15 PM
Celtics are blowing this big-time with flubbed lay-ups and short jumpers. 1-11 from three, jesus.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Huff on June 07, 2012, 10:43:53 PM
think I'm going to head to bed. can't see anyway celts come back from this
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 07, 2012, 10:45:53 PM
hand the game to rondo

dude can win it!!!

probably not
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 07, 2012, 10:49:40 PM
Hell of a performance from Lebron.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 10:50:13 PM
no, there is no chance of a comeback now. Doc has thrown in the towel
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 10:50:46 PM
Jeez Spoelstra, take LeBron out now you moron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 07, 2012, 10:51:22 PM
lestat wants to hit 50
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 10:52:20 PM
pretty sure he wants to hit the locker room more
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 10:57:41 PM
Well, at least maybe the entire internet will STFU about LeBron being a choker now
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 07, 2012, 10:59:09 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 10:57:41 PM
Well, at least maybe the entire internet will STFU about LeBron being a choker now

hahah wishful thinking. not if they lose game 7.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 11:08:42 PM
well, good job, good effort Celtics
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 11:13:33 PM
Someone apparently dumped a beer on LeBron in the tunnel. Pathetic, despicable :maf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 07, 2012, 11:15:49 PM
hahahah
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 07, 2012, 11:17:41 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 11:13:33 PM
Someone apparently dumped a beer on LeBron in the tunnel. Pathetic, despicable :maf

I'm sorry about bringing baseball up again but it's what I know:

(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/741847/VictorinoBeerShower_medium.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 11:21:10 PM
I get the funny side of it but it mostly just makes me angry that someone could be so disrespectful of an amazing performance.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: benjipwns on June 07, 2012, 11:21:35 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 11:13:33 PM
Someone apparently dumped a beer on LeBron in the tunnel. Pathetic, despicable :maf
(http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/boston-crowd.gif)
(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1171829/fatceltics_medium.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 11:22:29 PM
The dude scored 45 and shot 73%, how can you hate? If Kobe or Iverson had done that on the road, they'd have gotten an ovation
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 07, 2012, 11:27:40 PM
I'm with you. It's ridiculous. Now the guy in the baseball gif on the other hand...

also those gifs :rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: benjipwns on June 07, 2012, 11:32:05 PM
Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sjGX3GqnL0
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 07, 2012, 11:33:00 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 11:22:29 PM
The dude scored 45 and shot 73%, how can you hate? If Kobe or Iverson had done that on the road, they'd have gotten an ovation

But only 4 pts in the 4th quarter.  Choker!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 07, 2012, 11:41:29 PM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=game&year_min=&year_max=&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=Y&round_is_ec1=Y&round_is_ecs=Y&round_is_ecf=Y&round_is_wc1=Y&round_is_wcs=Y&round_is_wcf=Y&round_is_fin=Y&game_num_type=team&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&c1stat=pts&c1comp=gt&c1val=45&c2stat=fga&c2comp=lt&c2val=26&c3stat=trb&c3comp=gt&c3val=15&c4stat=ast&c4comp=gt&c4val=5&order_by=pts
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Mandark on June 07, 2012, 11:41:54 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 10:57:41 PM
Well, at least maybe the entire internet will STFU about LeBron being a choker now

Well, the series win against the Bulls (and LeBron's total domination of ersatz MVP Derrick Rose) didn't help.  In the eye of the public, everything outside the finals doesn't count as a pressure situation.  Unless he fails there, in which case yes, it was a choke.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: pilonv1 on June 07, 2012, 11:43:39 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 10:57:41 PM
Well, at least maybe the entire internet will STFU about LeBron being a choker now

Easy to be a frontrunner :smug

also stay classy boston
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2012, 11:49:08 PM
There was Heat fan at BWW who kept yelling "there's a mouse in the house!" whenever LeBron was in the paint. It was amusing at first but quickly became annoying
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Mandark on June 07, 2012, 11:53:34 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 07, 2012, 10:51:22 PM
lestat wants to hit 50

My first reaction to this was to wonder if it was the new thing to make vampire comparisons for LeBron.  I blame BN, who could have made the joke work by using proper capitalization.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 11:58:05 PM
Quote from: Mandark on June 07, 2012, 11:41:54 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 10:57:41 PM
Well, at least maybe the entire internet will STFU about LeBron being a choker now

Well, the series win against the Bulls (and LeBron's total domination of ersatz MVP Derrick Rose) didn't help.  In the eye of the public, everything outside the finals doesn't count as a pressure situation.  Unless he fails there, in which case yes, it was a choke.

What I actually meant was 'STFU for maybe 24hrs' of course
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 08, 2012, 12:03:16 AM
Quote from: Mandark on June 07, 2012, 11:53:34 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 07, 2012, 10:51:22 PM
lestat wants to hit 50

My first reaction to this was to wonder if it was the new thing to make vampire comparisons for LeBron.  I blame BN, who could have made the joke work by using proper capitalization.

nah, Bron is more evil than a vampire
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 08, 2012, 12:04:29 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on June 08, 2012, 12:03:16 AM
Quote from: Mandark on June 07, 2012, 11:53:34 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 07, 2012, 10:51:22 PM
lestat wants to hit 50

My first reaction to this was to wonder if it was the new thing to make vampire comparisons for LeBron.  I blame BN, who could have made the joke work by using proper capitalization.

nah, Bron is more evil than a vampire

(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0607/nba_a_lebron18_576.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 08, 2012, 12:19:54 AM
WTF, this propecia pill is even less effective than my coach and bench. 
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2012, 12:22:55 AM
I don't see why anyone would wear that shit, jesus. But then again I read an SI article where LeBron said he has horrible teeth and doesn't seem to take care of them

Meanwhile my dad is constantly fixated on KG and Wade's teeth. Watching anything with dentists=  :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 08, 2012, 01:00:58 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/6MOuy.jpg)

Nasty
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 08, 2012, 01:04:35 AM
Consoling myself with the thought that LeBron vs KD could be absolutely insane
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 08, 2012, 01:05:04 AM
and whiskey, lots and lots of whiskey
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 08, 2012, 02:17:47 PM
Quote
ESPN TV informs us that LeBron's 45-15-5 was the first in a playoff game since Wilt Chamberlain in 1964.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 08, 2012, 07:25:44 PM
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8026268/the-consequences-caring

This is why I like Bill Simmons. Not because of his "analysis" because that's never been very on point. Its when he writes articles like these which are human and sort of insight in how a sports fan's brain operates. He has a Stephen King like ability to make the ordinary inner workings of the brain seem a little more interesting.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 08, 2012, 09:13:56 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 08, 2012, 02:17:47 PM
Quote
ESPN TV informs us that LeBron's 45-15-5 was the first in a playoff game since Wilt Chamberlain in 1964.

:bow
It was fun to watch. The past 10 days of bball have been amazing to see.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 09, 2012, 12:22:56 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 08, 2012, 07:25:44 PM
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8026268/the-consequences-caring

This is why I like Bill Simmons. Not because of his "analysis" because that's never been very on point. Its when he writes articles like these which are human and sort of insight in how a sports fan's brain operates. He has a Stephen King like ability to make the ordinary inner workings of the brain seem a little more interesting.

Yes, good stuff. Hooking your kid on sports is not a rational decision, really. But even when the losses are painful, you are sharing them with a group of people. My homies on twitter went through exactly the same rationalization process that Bill and his dad went through yesterday. That's as valid a bonding experience as sharing the joy of a win.

Guess it's time for my daughter to start hating the Lakers now! Hell she's almost 5 - she needs to be warned about Kobe.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Flannel Boy on June 09, 2012, 07:33:53 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 09, 2012, 12:22:56 AM

Guess it's time for my daughter to start hating the Lakers now! Hell she's almost 5 - she needs to be warned about Kobe.

 :rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Thunder win the NBA title over the Spurs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2012, 05:04:55 PM
I expect the heat to win tonight but then I expected them to win game 5. If there is one positive thing to look to for the Celtics it's that essentially one guy beat them in the last game. It's highly unlikely anyone will remotely have a game like that for this one.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Game 7 Heat vs Celtics tonight)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 09, 2012, 08:36:07 PM
if LeBron takes exactly the same shots as game 6, and everyone else is as bad, the Celtics should win. But Wade is surely overdue? I have no idea what's going to happen now. In other words, should be a great game!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Game 7 Heat vs Celtics tonight)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 09, 2012, 08:49:42 PM
Let's go celtics
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Game 7 Heat vs Celtics tonight)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2012, 08:58:54 PM
Boston looking alive tonight
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Game 7 Heat vs Celtics tonight)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2012, 09:18:48 PM
Lots of Heat turnovers
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Game 7 Heat vs Celtics tonight)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 09, 2012, 09:40:03 PM
LeBron with 4 shots so far. Whoa there big guy, don't go crazy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Game 7 Heat vs Celtics tonight)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 09, 2012, 09:41:21 PM
Somehow Boston is managing to trap and bother BOTH LeBron and Wade on basically every possession, even with KG out. The only real issues are that the paint opens up when KG is out, and that Boston is shooting an unsustainably high FG%. Then again, we're getting layups and dunks and transition fouls. <3 it
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Game 7 Heat vs Celtics tonight)
Post by: Mandark on June 09, 2012, 09:55:55 PM
Miami's role players are helping make those traps possible by bricking open threes.  The one time it looked like the Heat could really exploit the double teams was when Bosh was hitting those jumpers.

Also, Wade's seemed kinda lax/sloppy from what I've seen this series.  A bit weird.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Game 7 Heat vs Celtics tonight)
Post by: Beezy on June 09, 2012, 09:56:35 PM
great game so far
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Game 7 Heat vs Celtics tonight)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 09, 2012, 09:57:36 PM
Yeah, after Battier hit 2 in a row I was really worried that the D would get stretched badly but thankfully they've all reverted to being shit. Bass has hands of stone but he's getting it done regardless. He almost broke Wade's fingers on that dunk :o
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Game 7 Heat vs Celtics tonight)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 09, 2012, 09:58:45 PM
Wade has been terrible in first halves, I have no explanation for it other than that he doesn't like double teams. Which I don't really understand because he used to beat double teams like it was no thang
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Game 7 Heat vs Celtics tonight)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2012, 10:04:37 PM
I've always liked Brandon Bass :bow

I'd imagine LeBron will take over in the third.  Still, his passive play is rather puzzling. He's had some nice opportunities
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Game 7 Heat vs Celtics tonight)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 09, 2012, 10:15:34 PM
No assists for LB either. Battier 3s keeping them in this one.

Part of me really wants this to go to OT
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Game 7 Heat vs Celtics tonight)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 09, 2012, 10:36:12 PM
 1 quarter left, for all the marbles. CAN'T BREATHE

Wade is killing them on D, so lazy. Glaring at the refs instead of getting back. Worse still, he's getting rewarded for it by successfully cherry-picking :yuck

Rondo 2 boards from a triple-double.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Game 7 Heat vs Celtics tonight)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 09, 2012, 10:44:17 PM
I have less nails than Theon Greyjoy now, fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

LeBron guarded like 4 guys on one possession there. Just amazing. He recovers the way KG used to be able to.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Game 7 Heat vs Celtics tonight)
Post by: Mandark on June 09, 2012, 11:14:37 PM
Well, looks like that's that.

Noticed that Wade dominated the ball for 3-4 possessions in a row once they had a comfortable lead (mostly thanks to LeBron and Bosh), but I don't know if I'm just reading too much into that because of Miami's tendency to turn spectators into amateur psychologists.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Game 7 Heat vs Celtics tonight)
Post by: bachikarn on June 09, 2012, 11:20:25 PM
Good job, good effort Celtics.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Game 7 Heat vs Celtics tonight)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 09, 2012, 11:25:31 PM
Hondo and KJ gave it their best shot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Game 7 Heat vs Celtics tonight)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 09, 2012, 11:34:20 PM
:lol

Are you on twitter, Joe? Because that shit needs to go on there stat
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Game 7 Heat vs Celtics tonight)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2012, 11:59:14 PM
I think the Heat will beat OKC
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Game 7 Heat vs Celtics tonight)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 10, 2012, 12:04:14 AM
I say 4-2 to the Thunder
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Game 7 Heat vs Celtics tonight)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 10, 2012, 12:09:20 AM
KJ and Hondo really gave it their all, but they just couldn't hold off Dwayne Johnson and the Miami Thunder.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Game 7 Heat vs Celtics tonight)
Post by: pilonv1 on June 10, 2012, 12:27:29 AM
glad I didn't watch todays game, would have driven me off a cliff
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Game 7 Heat vs Celtics tonight)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2012, 01:06:46 AM
4-2 Heat
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs edition - Game 7 Heat vs Celtics tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2012, 01:15:18 AM
Glad the Heat won despite all my constant bitching about them all season long. If you asked me at the beginning of the season who I wanted to see in the finals it would have been thunder versus the Heat. My basketball brain says Thunder in 6 but I think the Heat matchup up better against them than they did the Spurs so I legit think the Heat have a chance.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2012, 12:14:16 PM
When you look at PER during the playoffs, the Thunder and Heat match-up closely.

Lebron and Durant have been great.

James 31.25   
Durant 27.97

Westbrook and Wade have essentially played the exact same
Wade 22.59
Westbrook 22.49   

And Bosh and Ibaka although not similar as players sort of balance each other out.
Ibaka 20.45
Bosh  21.39

The problem is the Thunder have Harden  (23.69) who has been the 5th best player per wise in the playoffs and the heat really have no answer here. The heat need a 4th guy to perform consistently in this series and they haven't shown they have that guy all year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2012, 12:25:05 PM
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/KingGondo/ScreenShot2012-06-10at102951AM.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 10, 2012, 02:53:20 PM
Fucking Adande.  He just did that pick so Bron looks like a choker when the Heat lose. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 10, 2012, 04:03:22 PM
Let's get this finals started.

(http://i.imgur.com/gxUXY.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 10, 2012, 07:38:15 PM
Looks like a lot of folks are changing their positions again now that Bosh is looking good and LeBron choke concerns have eased. There may also be a large element of 'team I saw last looks best' there I suspect... but let's face it, it isn't THAT hard to beat Boston in the shape they were in. The best team the Heat faced was probably Indiana, whereas the Thunder have gone through the Mavs, Lakers and Spurs. Plus they have home court I think. I'm sticking with them!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 10, 2012, 07:41:29 PM
Actually, let OKC win. That way they can stop claiming Seattle's title in 1979 as their own.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 10, 2012, 08:05:28 PM
I gotta say, a lot of folks are coming out of the woodwork to bitch about this like it was some fresh wound, a lot of folks who weren't so keen to claim them as their own when they opened 3-26 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 10, 2012, 08:27:03 PM
I suppose I should add the proviso that if LeBron plays like in game 6 for 2 or 3 games, the Thunder has no chance. And I think he can guard Durant or Harden or even Westbrook a hell of a lot better than anyone on the Thunder can guard him. But how many times can he dominate offensively while also shutting down Durant etc? It seems more reasonable to just expect his normal playoff production, maybe a bit worse. Which is awesome but basically I think this one comes down to the Thunder's depth winning out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 10, 2012, 09:57:28 PM
The Thunder also have excellent coaching, whereas the Heat...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: DJ_Tet on June 10, 2012, 11:00:43 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on June 10, 2012, 07:41:29 PM
Actually, let OKC win. That way they can stop claiming Seattle's title in 1979 as their own.

They aren't supposed to claim that title.  The Sonic history supposedly stayed in Seattle so it pisses me off seeing ESPN credit them with the 1979 title. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 11, 2012, 03:30:12 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/VbUVp.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: pilonv1 on June 11, 2012, 06:39:37 AM
Robert Swift really let himself go
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 12, 2012, 03:00:48 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/06/11/sports/basketball/nba-shot-analysis.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 12, 2012, 03:24:41 PM
Quote from: DJ_Tet on June 10, 2012, 11:00:43 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on June 10, 2012, 07:41:29 PM
Actually, let OKC win. That way they can stop claiming Seattle's title in 1979 as their own.

They aren't supposed to claim that title.  The Sonic history supposedly stayed in Seattle so it pisses me off seeing ESPN credit them with the 1979 title.

OKC made copies of all the banners when they left Seattle. We got the originals and retain the rights to the name Seattle Supersonics, but apparently "share" the history. That was part of the settlement between Clay Bennet and the city of Seattle.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 12, 2012, 03:35:16 PM
That's a bunch of bullshit
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: etiolate on June 12, 2012, 04:28:07 PM
the whole okc/seattle thing is bullsheeeet
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 12, 2012, 07:44:51 PM
Shall we post scores for you, etiolate? Wouldn't want you to feel left out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2012, 08:27:46 PM
Heh, my favorite local sports show (Valenti and Foster) were having a debate over rigged sports, discussing the recent stories about some major Euro goalie throwing games and Pacquiao getting robbed in a blatant con job . One of the hosts kept claiming Boston was robbed in game 7 by the refs, and I thought of you Etiolet. There's no question Boston didn't get some calls they deserved, but I didn't get the impression the game was being tampered with by the refs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 12, 2012, 08:29:56 PM
Sigh.

Let's leave the stupid conspiracy shit out of the thread please. This ain't GAF.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 12, 2012, 08:33:52 PM
The Celtics get away with a ton of stuff every game, from Rondo's reaching to KG's moving/bumping screens...I have no complaints. They got beat by a more talented team with fresher legs.

I'm still not seeing any consensus about either this game or the Finals in general. Usually by this point, some favorite has emerged. My feeling is that the Heat are not quite as good as they were at their peak in the regular season, but the Thunder have actually improved, so the backwards-looking stats (which paint them as being basically dead even) are not completely reliable. I'm still going with the Thunder, due to depth and HCA. But it feels as close as any Finals I can remember.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2012, 08:37:01 PM
One thing though: I find it very interesting that outside of the early coverage, there was very little discussion or debate over the Tim Donaghy stuff. No one touched it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 12, 2012, 08:41:07 PM
That's alright, we can expose it all here, with the power of the Bore. It'll be fixed in no time once we train our giant brains upon it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 12, 2012, 08:51:05 PM
Spoelstra :lol

'not trying to be coy' - but won't say if Bosh is starting or not :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 12, 2012, 09:03:59 PM
Sometimes I forget how much bullshit hype you guys watching on broadcast TV must be subjected to. Just the few mins of bombastic hype they showed on League Pass just now was horrible. Everyone is primed to overreact like fucking crazy to this game, aren't they
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 12, 2012, 09:08:51 PM
lol, Spoelstra going back to the well with Riley's 'play like it's your last breath' speech

His biggest problem is that he really has zero charisma, just can't carry that shit off. If Doc Rivers said that line, players would be running through walls for him
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: pilonv1 on June 12, 2012, 09:14:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGmjed9qpCU

:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 12, 2012, 09:19:45 PM
'Westbrook is not Bosh!' :lol

Yeah, I think if I subjected myself to that crap nightly I'd be apoplectic all the time. Which is of course the desired effect.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 12, 2012, 09:28:13 PM
Heat looking good but Mike Miller is the Walking Dead out there, sheesh. He got a steal, threw it to a teammate and then just stayed in the backcourt for the whole possession there :lol

Spoelstra apparently has played LeBron-Wade-Bosh-Haslem-Battier for only 9 mins of the post-season so far - 4Q Game 7 vs Boston. My god. Are we all agreed that that is his best line-up... (given that Chalmers is redundant with two ballhandlers on court)?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: pilonv1 on June 12, 2012, 09:39:43 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 12, 2012, 09:19:45 PM
'Westbrook is not Bosh!' :lol

Yeah, I think if I subjected myself to that crap nightly I'd be apoplectic all the time. Which is of course the desired effect.

I listen to PTI daily, more for the banter than the content.

Here's another one for you cormac

http://deadspin.com/5916640/there-is-no-best-player-in-the-nba-the-problem-with-the-basketball-hero-industry

Quote
It would be fun to turn NBA commenters loose on a Rock-Scissors-Paper tournament sometime:

ROCK IS UNSTOPPABLE.

I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW ROCK CHOKED AGAINST PAPER.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW SCISSORS BEAT PAPER, YOU HAVE TO THINK SCISSORS IS IN THE CONVERSATION FOR ALL-TIME GREATEST.

(Bill Simmons ceaselessly scribbles on the walls of his room with magic markers, readjusting his Pyramid of Rock and Scissors and Paper.)

:rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 12, 2012, 09:43:51 PM
The Thunder have a little bit of adjusting to do...they haven't seen defense like this yet, and it's making them look sloppy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 12, 2012, 09:47:29 PM
Nice of the ESPN guys to show us some love up in the Emerald City.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 12, 2012, 09:48:05 PM
Everyone likes to show they are old-school, and none more than JVG
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 12, 2012, 09:50:30 PM
only Fisher's finals experience enabled him to take and make that pull-up jumper in transition
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2012, 09:54:20 PM
Wow I thought the series started on Thursday not today lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Beezy on June 12, 2012, 10:15:06 PM
leper pd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 12, 2012, 10:21:16 PM
Any other team would see the shape Mike Miller is in, and just shut him down. The Heat are like HE IS TEH WOUNDED WARRIOR AND WE RESPECT THE FUCK OUT OF THAT, LET'S PLAY HIM FOREVER
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 12, 2012, 10:22:00 PM
What the hell happened to James Jones, by the way? Did he sleep with someone's mom or what?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: pilonv1 on June 12, 2012, 10:23:45 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 12, 2012, 10:21:16 PM
Any other team would see the shape Mike Miller is in, and just shut him down. The Heat are like HE IS TEH WOUNDED WARRIOR AND WE RESPECT THE FUCK OUT OF THAT, LET'S PLAY HIM FOREVER

you can't slay Jesus Miller
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 12, 2012, 10:27:43 PM
If Perkins wasn't so good at setting screens, I'd say he should get zero minutes in this series. He has no-one to guard. But those screens are the key to getting the ball moving for OKC.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 12, 2012, 10:28:40 PM
Stoney is watching the whole game from under his bed or behind the sofa, got no time for NBA-Bore
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 12, 2012, 10:42:22 PM
I think I just saw Perkins try to drive on LeBron. I could swear that just happened
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 12, 2012, 10:43:55 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 12, 2012, 10:28:40 PM
Stoney is watching the whole game from under his bed or behind the sofa, got no time for NBA-Bore

I was playing 360. I'm off now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 12, 2012, 10:45:06 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 12, 2012, 10:43:55 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 12, 2012, 10:28:40 PM
Stoney is watching the whole game from under his bed or behind the sofa, got no time for NBA-Bore

I was playing 360. I'm off now.

true Miami fan
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 12, 2012, 10:45:33 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 12, 2012, 10:45:06 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 12, 2012, 10:43:55 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 12, 2012, 10:28:40 PM
Stoney is watching the whole game from under his bed or behind the sofa, got no time for NBA-Bore

I was playing 360. I'm off now.

true Miami fan

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 12, 2012, 10:45:46 PM
(http://cdn.business2community.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Miami-Heat-Fan-Up-e1290392138749.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 12, 2012, 11:18:48 PM
Miami can't stop  the thunder offense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2012, 11:20:39 PM
Coincidence that the Thunder came back once Fisher came in the game? I think not
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 12, 2012, 11:21:31 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2012, 11:20:39 PM
Coincidence that the Thunder came back once Fisher came in the game? I think not

yep, taking Perkins out really helped them
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2012, 11:29:30 PM
(http://www.abload.de/img/untitled-97p8x4.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 12, 2012, 11:31:04 PM
exact same face Riley always has
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 12, 2012, 11:33:13 PM
Well, that'll do it, looks like.

Edit: That no-look pass by Durant was awesome.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 12, 2012, 11:35:22 PM
LeBron has scored a third of his team's points, and he'll get shit for Wade, who's shooting in the 20s

I know what would work - if their coach told them to 'Stay the course'! Yeah, that's what they need
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2012, 11:43:18 PM
Quote
Skip Bayless ‏@RealSkipBayless
That clinches it: Kevin Durant is definitely better than LeBron. Durant alone might be too much for the Heat. Tonite, he was just too good
(http://www.abload.de/img/untitled-10x3mdm.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 12, 2012, 11:46:00 PM
:lol

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2012, 11:47:13 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 12, 2012, 11:29:30 PM
(http://www.abload.de/img/untitled-97p8x4.gif)

female friend during that hilarious camera zoom: "is he that guy's bodyguard or something?" :rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: pilonv1 on June 12, 2012, 11:48:17 PM
good job good effort
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2012, 11:58:09 PM
dat LeBron fourth quarter passion

OKC stopped Miami from getting the infinite layups and dunks they usually get, forcing them to make jumpers. If they keep that up, they can win this series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 13, 2012, 12:00:24 AM
Thunder in 6

(i know, putting myself out on a limb here)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 13, 2012, 12:14:19 AM
After the 2 home games, Miami gets 3 straight home games. Most likely scenario statistically is that the team with HCA wins at home, then 1 on the road, then game 6 at home again.

There is of course no big reason why Miami shouldn't beat the Thunder on the road and win the whole thing. Just that a Thunder win in 4 or 5 games would be highly unlikely.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: pilonv1 on June 13, 2012, 12:19:26 AM
After the conference semi finals I'm not making any predictions after seeing how teams fared after leading 2-0
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 13, 2012, 12:28:04 AM
I maintain Heat in 6. They'll win on thursday, then at least win two of the three home games
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 13, 2012, 12:29:26 AM
What in the WORLD is Westbrook wearing?! :rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 13, 2012, 12:36:41 AM
(http://media.lockerdome.com/uploads/714d07caa275cfccde52d602c34b45e7_large)

stepping up his game for the Finals :lol

Still, you put up 27pts and almost hit a triple double and you can wear what you damn well please
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 13, 2012, 12:39:14 AM
Elton John and Agent J.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 13, 2012, 12:44:54 AM
I had surgery to avoid having to wear glasses like that, just do not understand :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 13, 2012, 12:50:57 AM
I mean, with those glasses you would think he would be able to see what he was putting on for fucks sakes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 13, 2012, 12:55:07 AM
I'm pretty sure this is something that's being done on purpose. There's no way a bunch of NBA stars just decided to wear dark brimmed hipster glasses and various goofy shirts out of the blue
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 13, 2012, 12:56:02 AM
Not meaning to troll any genuine Sonics fans, who I respect and commiserate with, but holy shit, the Finals have brought a bunch of moaning bitches out from under a rock, haven't they. I'm hearing from people that NEVER talk basketball. Either:

1) they were so butt-hurt that they literally haven't followed the NBA since or
2) they basically don't give a shit and just want a bit of attention now 'cause the Thunder got to the Finals (without any significant help from the people of Oregon....)

Painting with a broad brush here, I know. Sock it to me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 13, 2012, 12:56:25 AM
I'm pretty sure you're underestimating the hipster quotient of Oklahoma City, PD. It is a bustling metropolis on the cutting edge of everything, after all.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 13, 2012, 01:03:00 AM
Weird feeling - I tweeted at Hollinger and he RT'ed me to respond. I was looking at ESPN in a separate tab 5 mins later and freaked out a bit when I saw my name in there:


spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 13, 2012, 01:03:32 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on June 13, 2012, 12:56:25 AM
I'm pretty sure you're underestimating the hipster quotient of Oklahoma City, PD. It is a bustling metropolis on the cutting edge of everything, after all.

Nah bro, I've seen Wade and others wear a bunch of goofy stuff to press conferences too. Maybe this is the NBA's attempt to re-gain Etoilet as a fan
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: pilonv1 on June 13, 2012, 01:06:29 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 13, 2012, 01:03:00 AM
Weird feeling - I tweeted at Hollinger and he RT'ed me to respond. I was looking at ESPN in a separate tab 5 mins later and freaked out a bit when I saw my name in there:


spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://snag.gy/N6C1M.jpg)
[close]

Nice work! The best I ever get is a RT from Ethan Strauss about Thomas Robinson lieing about his height.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 13, 2012, 01:10:12 AM
C-Webb RT'ed me once so I think I win there! I really don't angle for RTs or follows though.

I'd like for more basketball people to follow me, 'cause then I'd feel better about tweeting about it all the time. But I guess i'd better man up and start pumping out 3,000 words of quality blog posts a day :'(
As it is, my twitter followers are fairly evenly divided between the Tokyo/games crowd, comics people and basketball people or just random.


Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: etiolate on June 13, 2012, 01:11:38 AM
I am trying to think of a sports guy I would actually tweet. Of course, I don't have a twitter, so this is all hypothetical. Maybe someone from Yahoo or that dude that does youtube breakdowns of plays. Being as that I don't know their names, this whole thought is probably than hypothetical.

edit: I would totally tweet CWebb. Consider me jelly.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 13, 2012, 01:16:54 AM
@SebastianPruitti, you mean?

I should do a list, there are lots of great, funny, clever twitterers out there. I pretty much have twitter open the whole time I watch a game live now...adds greatly to the experience. Of course, you can follow hashtags like #nba or #thunder or whatever and see what the great unwashed are raving about as well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: pilonv1 on June 13, 2012, 01:22:17 AM
I think he means COACH NICK :bow2 who is @bballsource I think. I don't follow his twitter as it's difficult to avoid if I'm watching games on delay

Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 13, 2012, 01:10:12 AM
C-Webb RT'ed me once so I think I win there! I really don't angle for RTs or follows though.

I'd like for more basketball people to follow me, 'cause then I'd feel better about tweeting about it all the time. But I guess i'd better man up and start pumping out 3,000 words of quality blog posts a day :'(
As it is, my twitter followers are fairly evenly divided between the Tokyo/games crowd, comics people and basketball people or just random.

I would think 80% of my tweets are NBA/Warriors related. If twitter had been around in 2007 I'd have lost my mind in real time.

I don't follow any players, most of them aren't that interesting and the weird stuff gets RT'd. I do follow all the bay area beat writers, plus some national ones like Chad Ford, Woj + Berger, and guys like Larry Coon (Salary Cap guru). Most of the ESPN guys are insufferable (sup Chris Palmer)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2012, 01:38:21 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/Y1lBz.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 13, 2012, 01:42:07 AM
that is some thrift store shit
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 13, 2012, 09:13:33 AM
 :himu
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 13, 2012, 11:31:10 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 13, 2012, 12:56:02 AM
Not meaning to troll any genuine Sonics fans, who I respect and commiserate with, but holy shit, the Finals have brought a bunch of moaning bitches out from under a rock, haven't they. I'm hearing from people that NEVER talk basketball. Either:

1) they were so butt-hurt that they literally haven't followed the NBA since or
2) they basically don't give a shit and just want a bit of attention now 'cause the Thunder got to the Finals (without any significant help from the people of Oregon....)

Painting with a broad brush here, I know. Sock it to me.

I've been pissed/bummed since Bennet bought the team in 2006, there was no way in hell he ever considered not moving them to OKC. I typically stay quiet about it, but the Thunder making the Finals riled me up.

And honestly, if they win the whole thing, it's fine. I just miss my team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 13, 2012, 01:25:37 PM
My thoughts on the first game.

Bosh played 34 minutes and pulled down 5 rebounds. He also needs to stop taking 3's. Just because he got lucky in one game doesn't make him a three point shooter.
The Heat got out rebounded and outhustled which is always a very bad sign
Thunder made adjustments at half. Miami didn't. Which happens alot. Restrain from coaching rant.
Miami looked tentative in the 4th. Westbrook and Durant looked totally in their element.

No current reason to see why the Thunder won't win.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 13, 2012, 07:10:39 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 13, 2012, 01:25:37 PM
My thoughts on the first game.

Bosh played 34 minutes and pulled down 5 rebounds. He also needs to stop taking 3's. Just because he got lucky in one game doesn't make him a three point shooter.
The Heat got out rebounded and outhustled which is always a very bad sign
Thunder made adjustments at half. Miami didn't. Which happens alot. Restrain from coaching rant.
Miami looked tentative in the 4th. Westbrook and Durant looked totally in their element.

No current reason to see why the Thunder won't win.

Meh, Wade and LeBron are going to get hot. OKC did a great job of denying easy layups, but Miami will eventually get more aggressive and get more calls. I still say Miami wins tomorrow night, and then wins two home games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 13, 2012, 07:54:25 PM
Lebron had 30pts and 9 boards, it's not like he was just twiddling his thumbs. But how many times are Battier and Chalmers gonna go 6-9 and 5-7 on FGs?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 13, 2012, 08:01:09 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 13, 2012, 07:10:39 PM
Meh, Wade and LeBron are going to get hot. OKC did a great job of denying easy layups, but Miami will eventually get more aggressive and get more calls. I still say Miami wins tomorrow night, and then wins two home games.

And Westbrook and Durant will probably match them however hot they get which means the supporting cast is what matters and the Thunder supporting cast is better.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 13, 2012, 08:43:56 PM
Yeah, plus Westbrook isn't injured, like Wade, and Harden is presumably going to score more than 5pts the rest of the way.

The Heat looked tired in the 2nd half. Since obviously that was a result of their hangover from 7 games of the killer Celtics D, I'm gonna go ahead and claim this as a 4th win in game 8 of the Celtics-Heat series :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 14, 2012, 02:46:03 AM
fucking David Stern
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8048426/nba-commissioner-david-stern-radio-host-jim-rome-get-lottery
 :lol

Jim Rome gets dap
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 14, 2012, 02:59:32 AM
that was not Stern's smoothest play
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Mandark on June 14, 2012, 04:10:29 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 14, 2012, 02:46:03 AM
Jim Rome gets dap

smh pd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 14, 2012, 04:28:28 AM
No love for Rome? Smh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: etiolate on June 14, 2012, 04:52:00 AM
Quote
Stern responded: "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?"

WOW

edit: I better add, before any doofass replies, I understand the point Stern was trying to go for, but when your league and yourself have had as much legitimacy and corruption questions/worries over the years as the NBA and Stern have, you don't get to use wife beating as a rhetorical question defense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Mandark on June 14, 2012, 05:00:08 AM
well you could if it were Jay Mariotti
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: pilonv1 on June 14, 2012, 07:41:08 AM
Stern is a gangster, he can say what he likes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 14, 2012, 08:33:03 AM
Since there's no way Stern can prove that everything's on the up and up, he just dismisses any questions about corruption as outrageous and if you believe it you must be some crazy nutter. It's worked pretty well so far.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 14, 2012, 09:20:51 AM
What Stern did was an old lawyers trick. I did say wow when he said it though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: benjipwns on June 14, 2012, 12:57:32 PM
Anybody watch the Dream Team thing?

Don't care for that voice over guy, irks me.

 :lol at Stockton getting off the bus.

(http://i.imgur.com/EAcVW.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 14, 2012, 01:54:37 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 14, 2012, 12:57:32 PM
Anybody watch the Dream Team thing?

Don't care for that voice over guy, irks me.

 :lol at Stockton getting off the bus.

(http://i.imgur.com/EAcVW.gif)
I haven't yet but I'm gonna try to watch it tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 14, 2012, 02:34:39 PM
Karl Malone is a crazy right winger but he's still one of my favorite players ever, and I'm still bummed he didn't get a ring. I'd totally hang with him, we could hunt fine Mexican women
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 14, 2012, 02:39:01 PM
Fuck Malone. The Jazz-Sonics rivalry of the 90s was brutal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 14, 2012, 02:39:47 PM
I think part of my Malone fandom also has to do with him looking almost exactly like my dad  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 14, 2012, 05:16:08 PM
I like all the 80's guys because they are my youth heroes. But then I was kid at that point and didn't attempt to analyze them as real people. Which is probably the more healthy attitude when following sports.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 14, 2012, 07:29:17 PM
Durant's mom debating with Skip and Stephen A, pretty cool
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8047256
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 14, 2012, 08:55:53 PM
Just in case:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh6z7f8KN_I

Will watch this after GAME 2!

No more excuses about 'only one game'. The Heat better have drained Wade's knee.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 14, 2012, 08:57:45 PM
Imperial March theme for the Heat lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 14, 2012, 09:10:18 PM
Early lead for Miami, but I love the way this Thunder team just honestly do not give a rat's ass if they go down by 10 or 15 or 20. They just keep coming anyway.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: pilonv1 on June 14, 2012, 09:14:06 PM
Miami had the lead in game 1 too. Not concerned.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 14, 2012, 09:16:07 PM
Nope. Starting to feel the Thunder should be spotting everyone 10 pts just to keep it interesting
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 14, 2012, 09:16:14 PM
Miami defense looking great. RIP OKC
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 14, 2012, 09:21:57 PM
on the other hand, 16-2 is not good
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 14, 2012, 09:34:59 PM
Sefolosha is now what, 0-3 on dunks in this series?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 14, 2012, 09:48:25 PM
too young to be scared, awesome
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 14, 2012, 10:51:04 PM
Good showing for Miami. They absolutely need this game. Hopefully they don't choke it away in the 4th.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 14, 2012, 10:52:10 PM
Brooks really needs to quit playing Perkins and Ibaka together. Or Perkins at all. Who is Perkins supposed to be guarding??
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 14, 2012, 10:53:20 PM
Better now, with Perkins-Durant-Sefolosha-Harden-Westbrook but Perkins is still a liability. Collison was GREAT in game 1. He's perfect for this series 'cause of how he guards the pick and roll.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 14, 2012, 11:02:13 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 14, 2012, 08:55:53 PM
Just in case:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh6z7f8KN_I

Will watch this after GAME 2!

No more excuses about 'only one game'. The Heat better have drained Wade's knee.

Downloading now before it get's yanked.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 14, 2012, 11:12:26 PM
finally, a Collison sighting...but they put Fisher in to balance it out
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 14, 2012, 11:12:28 PM
Finally bosh rebounding.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 14, 2012, 11:12:57 PM
still, I expect a Thunder run now
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 14, 2012, 11:23:44 PM
:smug
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: pilonv1 on June 14, 2012, 11:24:12 PM
Quote from: pilonv1 on June 14, 2012, 09:14:06 PM
Miami had the lead in game 1 too. Not concerned.

:smug
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 14, 2012, 11:25:20 PM
Battier!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 14, 2012, 11:25:31 PM
Durant!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 14, 2012, 11:30:41 PM
If bosh takes another three in this series I'm gonna punch somebody.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 14, 2012, 11:33:24 PM
you think Westbrook is having a terrible game but he's making a TON of layups
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 14, 2012, 11:33:36 PM
Wtf are you doing on offense Lebron.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: pilonv1 on June 14, 2012, 11:33:42 PM
3pt game. Unreal
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 14, 2012, 11:34:16 PM
Sure, LeBron, you def. want Battier driving to the hoop instead of you there
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 14, 2012, 11:34:35 PM
Heat tight as a drum here
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 14, 2012, 11:41:33 PM
Nice comeback by the Thunder, but that's probably gonna be the game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 14, 2012, 11:42:01 PM
Looking like Heat have this one. Huge win for Miami but its not like Okc is scared of them or anything.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 14, 2012, 11:42:48 PM
Yep, and LeBron, Wade and Bosh all did their bit so haters can't hate.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 14, 2012, 11:43:41 PM
Miami actually has a chance to close it out at home, with 3 straight home games coming. Not gonna happen of course but it shows how huge the game 2 is in the Finals.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 14, 2012, 11:44:34 PM
OMG
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 14, 2012, 11:45:00 PM
Worst coached team in the league. Unreal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 14, 2012, 11:45:27 PM
WHOA WHUT THE FUCK
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 14, 2012, 11:45:34 PM
WHAT THE WHAT
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 14, 2012, 11:46:05 PM
oh my fucking GOD is this team Fun

Oklahoma Funder total
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 14, 2012, 11:47:39 PM
Nice elbow by Lebron to win the game. :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 14, 2012, 11:48:02 PM
Boneheaded plays like that at the end of game reflect lazy coaching discipline. heat lucky to escape here.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 14, 2012, 11:49:42 PM
Heat win but with brown trousers
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 14, 2012, 11:53:35 PM
Two blatant no calls for LeBron, that was pathetic. OKC certainly put themselves in a shitty position due to the slow start, but LeBron clearly got away with two fouls there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 14, 2012, 11:59:56 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 14, 2012, 11:53:35 PM
Two blatant no calls for LeBron, that was pathetic. OKC certainly put themselves in a shitty position due to the slow start, but LeBron clearly got away with two fouls there.

Welcome to the NBA, where a "star" based league certainly has no problems I can think of!

spoiler (click to show/hide)
...didn't actually watch the game but yeah, that's kind of the point- I don't regularly watch the nba because of shit like this.
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Mandark on June 15, 2012, 12:06:25 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on June 14, 2012, 11:59:56 PM
I don't regularly watch the nba

Oh, I could already tell that from your post.  :smug
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 15, 2012, 12:12:25 AM
In what fantasy world is Kevin Durant not a star
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Robo on June 15, 2012, 12:15:09 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/14698/dan-crawford-the-heat-and-the-1-9-percent

"In the nine postseasons since 2004 (the “Dwyane Wade era”), the Heat are 13-3 in playoff games reffed by Dan Crawford and 48-40 in all other playoff games in that span.  ...  Adding up their point spread-based win probabilities across all 16 games, the Heat should have won about nine games on average. Even more, given the point-spread based probability of winning each game, the chance that Miami would go 13-3 or better in those 16 games is 1.9%."

Picture millions of tinfoil Hans heads baking in the sun.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 15, 2012, 12:22:35 AM
I hope to god laker fans have posted that at gaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Mandark on June 15, 2012, 12:27:35 AM
The Lakers fans I know irl were all absolutely convinced that they were the victims of biased officiating.

As you can imagine, they weren't able to win a lot of sympathy with that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 15, 2012, 12:36:23 AM
Fucking lol

Lotta people on twitter thinking Lebron fouled that last Durante shot.  Seemed like tight D to me though
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 15, 2012, 12:39:42 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 15, 2012, 12:36:23 AM
Fucking lol

Lotta people on twitter thinking Lebron fouled that last Durante shot.  Seemed like tight D to me though

His arm was grappling Durant's arm. And then he founded Westbrook during the rebound...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 15, 2012, 12:42:46 AM
Haven't gotten a good look since I got home.  Seemed like a really well officiated game for the most part
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: etiolate on June 15, 2012, 12:57:06 AM
seems I was right to bailout on the playoffs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 15, 2012, 08:55:05 AM
no, still wrong - this game was won in the 1st quarter anyway (OKC tied or won every other quarter but never lead). Durant got fouled by LeBron but hey, he should have fouled out himself before that if they had been calling it tight. In general this is not going to be a tightly-called series like Boston-Heat because it'll be up and down, fast-moving basketball.

Anyway, what's the conspiracy this time? Stern wants Miami to win, after letting them lose to Dallas last year....? I just don't get it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 15, 2012, 12:07:09 PM
why watch basketball at all jesus christ shut up
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: benjipwns on June 15, 2012, 12:15:25 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 15, 2012, 08:55:05 AM
In general this is not going to be a tightly-called series like Boston-Heat because it'll be up and down, fast-moving basketball.
Well, until the fourth when the Heat seize up, LeBron camps out by the half court line, and they try to run their "offense" off an isolation with seven seconds to go on the clock.

Last game made me semi-rage over LeBron's backing up to the half-court line on every possession. He'll get the ball inside the three point line, and back out to the logo at center court to size up his man. It's insufferable. If he doesn't do that, it doesn't change the defense he faces in anyway because he's the most unstoppable player in the league in terms of speed, size and ability to drive. All he's doing is adding two steps he has to take, and giving the defense more time to collapse on him.

I really don't know who to blame over not breaking him of this. I consider it worse than any of the concerns over whether he has a post game.

Game Six when he terrorized Boston he did none of this, he operated far closer in and they couldn't do anything.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 15, 2012, 02:49:22 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 15, 2012, 12:15:25 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 15, 2012, 08:55:05 AM
In general this is not going to be a tightly-called series like Boston-Heat because it'll be up and down, fast-moving basketball.
Well, until the fourth when the Heat seize up, LeBron camps out by the half court line, and they try to run their "offense" off an isolation with seven seconds to go on the clock.

Last game made me semi-rage over LeBron's backing up to the half-court line on every possession. He'll get the ball inside the three point line, and back out to the logo at center court to size up his man. It's insufferable. If he doesn't do that, it doesn't change the defense he faces in anyway because he's the most unstoppable player in the league in terms of speed, size and ability to drive. All he's doing is adding two steps he has to take, and giving the defense more time to collapse on him.

I really don't know who to blame over not breaking him of this. I consider it worse than any of the concerns over whether he has a post game.

Game Six when he terrorized Boston he did none of this, he operated far closer in and they couldn't do anything.

It bothers me also. It's like running a prevent defense in football or something. I get that they were trying to run the game clock but it was clearly hampering their efforts to get a good shoot. Miami is often very slow to get into what passes as their offense sets because Lebron and Wade are often doing crossovers or sizing up their guys one on one instead of passing the ball around.

On another note, I'm not sure where Battier found his shot since he didn't have it all season but I hope it stays for this finals.

To give Spolestra some credit (gasp) I also like how he is barely playing Joel Anthony. He is too much of an offensive liability.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: benjipwns on June 15, 2012, 03:18:57 PM
The LeBron-Wade pick and roll is one of the best plays in the league, and they barely run it. They were running it and then Durant had five fouls and they STOPPED RUNNING IT.

I really don't get this team at all.

Why does Bosh take threes?

Why don't they run?

Why do they stand around so much?

Why do they collapse to the paint when they have no size?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 15, 2012, 03:22:43 PM
Hey I've watched a lot of Heat basketball over the last 2 seasons and think these thoughts every game. Which is why I always harp on the idea that they need a new coach. The fact that they reached the finals again regardless of the outcome almost ensures Spolestra will stay  unfortunately. Can you imagine someone like Rick Carlise coaching this team and how much better they would be.

They are one of the most frustrating teams to watch win or lose because you see all the flaws despite the talent. You don't even have to be a basketball savant to see the issues.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 15, 2012, 09:12:42 PM
SVG would do a lot of interesting things too, but that ain't happening
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 15, 2012, 10:35:52 PM
Watched the Dream Team TV special. It was good. It was basically a love letter to that era and those guys but even still certain deeper insight can be drawn into some of those guys and their relationships.

And better I think those guys come of exactly as they are both flaws and good qualities.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 15, 2012, 10:56:03 PM
Yeah, loved it. Especially the segment on the legendary MJ vs Magic game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 16, 2012, 01:11:36 AM
For some reason I really liked Pippen in it. For a guy that was mostly boring during his playing career he came off as the most honest to me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 16, 2012, 01:44:54 AM
Can't wait to watch it. Naturally most of the talk around here has been in relation to the MJ v Isaiah Thomas feud that ultimately led to him being left off the team. MJ has never been popular in Detroit but that was probably the last nail in the coffin.

Likewise, the Magic v Thomas involvement. At one point they were good friends, with Magic even attending Thomas' basketball camps in Detroit. That changed shortly after Detroit won their first title and only got worse over the following years. Thomas allegedly spread rumors about Magic being gay, and MJ later used that to also get Magic to essentially veto Thomas from being on the Dream Team.

Interestingly, Magic had been dogged by gay rumors for awhile, going back to his time at MSU. I find it hard to believe his sexuality was that big of a mystery given how blatant some of his escapades were.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 16, 2012, 04:48:34 AM
While MJ didn't cop to actually explicitly saying he wouldn't sign up until Isaiah was not to be asked on the team, you can sure read between the lines and see that , he waited until that was the case before he did.

One thing that really struck me was DAVID ROBINSON talking about what a 'freak of nature' MJ was in those days. By any standard, Robinson himself is surely one of the most amazing specimens sports has ever seen.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 16, 2012, 05:05:44 AM
Even Chuck Daley didn't go to bad for Isaiah. MJ was calling the shots and ultimately would get whatever he wanted. From a business perspective it was the right thing to do given the situation, but it was still shitty. Then again, who do you replace to put him on the team? I haven't seen the doc yet, but I've heard Stockton was the last replacement basically
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 16, 2012, 12:22:51 PM
On a side note about the finals what's really noticeable is the very minor differences in quality of play between the big two on both sides.

Lebron and Durant's per for the playoffs are 30.93 - 28.83


And Westbrook has now slightly outplayed Wade for the playoffs 22.80 to 22.11.

I don't think most people started this playoffs with the idea that Westbrook is a better player than Wade.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 16, 2012, 01:26:40 PM
So Westbrook is better than Wade because his PER is less than 1% higher? ok
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 16, 2012, 02:34:16 PM
Worstbrick is painful to watch.  At least Wade has a great jump shot
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 17, 2012, 12:18:11 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 16, 2012, 01:26:40 PM
So Westbrook is better than Wade because his PER is less than 1% higher? ok


I was more making the point that wade has had a relatively subpar playoffs for him and for arguably one of the poorer playoff showings of his career. Not that per is the only stat that matters.

but yeah if you want to be honest westbrook has played about as well as wade over the course of this playoffs as wade has had some absolute dog games and consistently has been average in the first half of nearly every game including some lazy defense at times or not getting back to his man at all. Which is still not the same as saying westbrook is as skilled as wade or wade has a higher top end when he puts it all together.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Mandark on June 17, 2012, 12:40:11 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 16, 2012, 02:34:16 PM
Worstbrick is painful to watch.  At least Wade has a great jump shot

lolwut
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 17, 2012, 12:41:09 AM
Wade has some of the most hair brained turnovers in games. Often times a play maker will turn the ball over trying to force a play. He just does the craziest, laziest looking stuff and it's just baffling.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 17, 2012, 01:22:24 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 16, 2012, 02:34:16 PM
Worstbrick is painful to watch.  At least Wade has a great jump shot

(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5267/youngsabu.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 05:59:59 AM
BrandNew watches like 5 mins of the games in between True Blood and Game of Thrones I think :lol

Westbrook is easily a top 10 player and has a great jump shot up to 15 feet. He made a few bad decisions but he's still a major, major asset and he'll show that for the rest of the series, I guarantee.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 17, 2012, 03:20:06 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 05:59:59 AM
BrandNew watches like 5 mins of the games in between True Blood and Game of Thrones I think :lol

Westbrook is easily a top 10 player and has a great jump shot up to 15 feet. He made a few bad decisions but he's still a major, major asset and he'll show that for the rest of the series, I guarantee.

lies sir!  I watched the entire series between Boston and Miami, and both finals games from start to finish.

And I don't know, Westbrook's perimeter shot beyond that range have been mostly bricks that I've seen so far this post season.  The reason I said that about Wade is that I think his fadeaway is one of the better ones I've seen in the league.

Meh.  y'all hatin'
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 17, 2012, 03:20:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKUX7fC-ciA
(http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/5357/mynicca1.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Mandark on June 17, 2012, 03:56:12 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 16, 2012, 02:34:16 PM
Worstbrick
Quote from: BrandNew on June 17, 2012, 03:20:06 PM
y'all hatin'

:teehee

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Russell Westbrook from 16-23 feet:  43%

Dwyane Wade from 16-23 feet: 37%
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 17, 2012, 05:29:11 PM
I been schooled
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 17, 2012, 06:23:13 PM
Should be a fun game tonight. Lots of pressure on different people.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 17, 2012, 06:33:10 PM
Got the Thunder stealing it tonight
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 07:48:49 PM
Quote from: Mandark on June 17, 2012, 03:56:12 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 16, 2012, 02:34:16 PM
Worstbrick
Quote from: BrandNew on June 17, 2012, 03:20:06 PM
y'all hatin'

:teehee

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Russell Westbrook from 16-23 feet:  43%

Dwyane Wade from 16-23 feet: 37%
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there is being in the room with the game on, and watching the game :smug
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 07:50:27 PM
Expect a few more minutes for Collison tonight, as Brooks inches towards the inevitable benching of Perkins. Probably won't do that 'til they lose the lead though.

Otherwise I have no idea what to expect and I'm pumped!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 17, 2012, 08:00:31 PM
The Crown jewels on display:


(http://www.imagestoring.net/gfx/may/516/lebron-james-tights-espn-magazine.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 17, 2012, 08:01:04 PM
Playin' a Vita?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 08:04:02 PM
LeBron needs a crotch headband
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 08:09:50 PM
27, 8 and 9 so far in the Finals and Westbrook is getting shit for a few bad shots :lol

Brooks talked again about the poor starts for OKC, but it looks like he's still starting Perkins. That one game where Perkins and Ibaka shot lights out against the Spurs is killing them now, 'cause it induced false confidence. I can see how it would be tough to try to bench a player like Perkins but come on, the plus-minus is startling. They can't keep ice skating uphill like this and hope to win.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 08:13:20 PM
Wade-Bosh pick and roll - that could work!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 08:15:12 PM
Heat strolling into the paint at will, OKC need faster rotations
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 17, 2012, 08:17:10 PM
I see your PT but it's usually bad for team morale to mess around with the rotation this late in the game. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 08:21:07 PM
oh hi there Jeff Van Gundy
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 08:21:38 PM
you know what's bad for team morale? LOSING

you know what's good for team morale? WINNING
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 08:22:48 PM
Mike Miller is basically paraplegic, sad to watch. Amazing that he's still getting burn
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 17, 2012, 08:24:35 PM
I don't think the players should be affected by rotation changes but they seem to bitch a lot about it. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 08:27:43 PM
what is the point of going big if they can't keep the Heat out of the paint? Now they have Fisher in with Perkins for worst of both worlds.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 08:28:15 PM
Plastic Man dunk there, wow
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 08:31:10 PM
Sefolosha, Collison in together at last...but with Fisher. Let's see if OKC can make a run here.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 08:39:38 PM
10 makes in the paint for the Heat in the 1Q, tell me why Perkins is so important to morale again
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 08:40:01 PM
Sefolosha will never actually convert a fast-break dunk ever again, will he
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 17, 2012, 08:41:01 PM
Miami just looks like the better team
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 08:44:56 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 17, 2012, 08:41:01 PM
Miami just looks like the better team

OKC've won or tied all but 3 quarters of the series so far - Miami has only led in the 1Qs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 08:57:28 PM
Nice to see a tied game so early, hope it stays close all the way.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 09:11:18 PM
LeBron does the Euro two-step; must have been taking lessons from Wade
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 09:13:25 PM
ugh, Westbrook stops dead to do the gun-holster instead of getting back with time left for the Heat to get the last shot
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 17, 2012, 09:14:17 PM
Heat should be up by more than 1.  Wade has his legs tonight but has completely lost his touch outside of 1ft away from the rim. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 09:21:41 PM
He looks better but not great to me. LeBron is tip-top though
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 09:23:10 PM
(https://p.twimg.com/Avom_1RCQAEEZk_.jpg)

Hard to believe any team shooting this much from the paint isn't romping
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 17, 2012, 09:23:35 PM
Both Wade and Bosh have missed a bunch of easy 3-5 ft floaters in this series. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 17, 2012, 09:23:50 PM
1 assist for Westbrook lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 17, 2012, 09:25:26 PM
I haven't scrutinized Westbrook's game that much but he doesn't seem very good at finding people once he starts driving. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 09:31:46 PM
He's good at finding himself :lol

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 17, 2012, 09:41:40 PM
Personally I think the westbrook isn't a pg criticism is overrated. He is what he is. A shooting guard playing ostensibly the point for that team. It's odd to criticize a player for not being something we know he isn't.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 17, 2012, 09:45:56 PM
So that's a foul, but LeBron grappling Durant's entire arm at the end of game 2 wasn't?  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 09:47:26 PM
Been thinking about that a bit lately. People talk about the dearth of shooting guards these days, and I think a lot of it is just how the positions have been redefined a bit. Saying there are only 5 types of basketball player is a patently absurd assertion, given all the different possible combinations of body type and skills. If the Thunder had a PG like Parker or Rondo, we'd be thinking of Westbrook as a Jordan-type player, not comparing him to the great PGs. But they don't, so he and Harden have to play that role.

He's still really f'in good at it, though. Bottom line is that he can break down any defense, and good things almost always come from that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 09:48:45 PM
Great reaction shot of Spoelstra shitting his pants there
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 17, 2012, 09:52:04 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 09:47:26 PM
Been thinking about that a bit lately. People talk about the dearth of shooting guards these days, and I think a lot of it is just how the positions have been redefined a bit. Saying there are only 5 types of basketball player is a patently absurd assertion, given all the different possible combinations of body type and skills. If the Thunder had a PG like Parker or Rondo, we'd be thinking of Westbrook as a Jordan-type player, not comparing him to the great PGs. But they don't, so he and Harden have to play that role.

He's still really f'in good at it, though. Bottom line is that he can break down any defense, and good things almost always come from that.

There is definitely a problem when the game is analyzed solely through the prism of 5 textbook basketball
positions.

http://www.gq.com/sports/profiles/201206/muthuball-mit-sloan-sports-analytics-conference

Not that this is solely the answer. But the idea is correct. There are more than 5 positions.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 09:53:22 PM
yep, that's why Ibaka is not an elite defensive player.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 09:54:23 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 17, 2012, 09:52:04 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 09:47:26 PM
Been thinking about that a bit lately. People talk about the dearth of shooting guards these days, and I think a lot of it is just how the positions have been redefined a bit. Saying there are only 5 types of basketball player is a patently absurd assertion, given all the different possible combinations of body type and skills. If the Thunder had a PG like Parker or Rondo, we'd be thinking of Westbrook as a Jordan-type player, not comparing him to the great PGs. But they don't, so he and Harden have to play that role.

He's still really f'in good at it, though. Bottom line is that he can break down any defense, and good things almost always come from that.

There is definitely a problem when the game is analyzed solely through the prism of 5 textbook basketball
positions.

http://www.gq.com/sports/profiles/201206/muthuball-mit-sloan-sports-analytics-conference

Not that this is solely the answer. But the idea is correct. There are more than 5 positions.

I did see that, and it's been on my mind. But it made more sense to me in theory than the actual chart did. I don't know how it is supposed to help you build a winning team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 17, 2012, 09:57:31 PM
Yeah that part didn't really interest me as it seems more like a money making gimmick. I just like the idea of discussing players without necessarily always comparing them to the alpha prototype at their position.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 09:58:23 PM
what the fuck Fisher, that's TERRIBLE
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: etiolate on June 17, 2012, 10:05:02 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 09:47:26 PM
Been thinking about that a bit lately. People talk about the dearth of shooting guards these days, and I think a lot of it is just how the positions have been redefined a bit. Saying there are only 5 types of basketball player is a patently absurd assertion, given all the different possible combinations of body type and skills. If the Thunder had a PG like Parker or Rondo, we'd be thinking of Westbrook as a Jordan-type player, not comparing him to the great PGs. But they don't, so he and Harden have to play that role.

He's still really f'in good at it, though. Bottom line is that he can break down any defense, and good things almost always come from that.

Dearth of shooting guardings have to do with guys who should be playing SG being pushed into PG role due to size, ball handling or speed. Some of them are PGs like Tebow is a QB. I'd include Westbrook in that circle, along with Tyreke Evans. I do feel that at times Westbrook holds the Thunder back.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 17, 2012, 10:06:30 PM
crazy good game so far

LOL @ Fisher trying to be a shot blocker

Is Wade the best cherry picker in the league?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 10:06:58 PM
Vince Carter
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 10:08:15 PM
Yeah, Wade just isn't running back. He's not anywhere near his best.

Fantastic game though, still have no idea what'll happen (other than LeBron will either do the most amazing things ever, or get killed for not doing so)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 17, 2012, 10:09:52 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 09:47:26 PM
Been thinking about that a bit lately. People talk about the dearth of shooting guards these days, and I think a lot of it is just how the positions have been redefined a bit. Saying there are only 5 types of basketball player is a patently absurd assertion, given all the different possible combinations of body type and skills. If the Thunder had a PG like Parker or Rondo, we'd be thinking of Westbrook as a Jordan-type player, not comparing him to the great PGs. But they don't, so he and Harden have to play that role.

He's still really f'in good at it, though. Bottom line is that he can break down any defense, and good things almost always come from that.

SG was never really that important a position until Jordan came along.  The lack of pass first PGs is more glaring, imo.  It's really odd to see so many starting PGs who don't even keep their heads up when they dribble. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 10:13:07 PM
Well, there is no point comparing the current situation to your platonic ideal of what the game should or needs to be....PGs these days are required to penetrate and score more than they are required to dish. The removal of the hand-check rule means PG now is just a different position than it was then.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 17, 2012, 10:13:41 PM
Man Durant is a scorer. That dude is so offensively skilled it's crazy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 10:13:59 PM
no fear from the Thunder. This series is the BOMB
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 17, 2012, 10:22:56 PM
Wade playing like shit.  :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 17, 2012, 10:29:31 PM
Doesn't matter, Heat have this
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 17, 2012, 10:31:41 PM
Huge wade and 1 and that Lebron one also.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 10:35:36 PM
why is LeBron backing up to halfcourt again
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 17, 2012, 10:37:17 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 10:35:36 PM
why is LeBron backing up to halfcourt again

That has to be a spolestra thing. He should call plays and force them to initiate the offense. Not just let them freelance and iso. What else is a coach there for.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 10:37:48 PM
LeBron is just romping into the paint, has been all game. Perkins has no deterrent value whatsoever against him. Ibaka can threaten to block his shot at least.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 10:38:22 PM
Whoa, Sefolosha picked a hell of a time to finish a break!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 17, 2012, 10:39:36 PM
Wade has made so many critical turnovers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 10:39:53 PM
Who is more scared, Spoelstra or PD
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 17, 2012, 10:45:45 PM
I'm not scared. OKC's offense looks so stagnant outside of the bursts they pull off. There's almost no movement and instead it's just iso
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 17, 2012, 10:46:33 PM
wow
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 17, 2012, 10:46:44 PM
Wow awful turnover there by the thunder.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 17, 2012, 10:47:29 PM
Heat looking good in this series. Lebron is playing all world.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 17, 2012, 10:48:22 PM
I wonder if Wade's near meltdown is gonna make Skip Baylee revise his clutch gene theory. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 10:49:41 PM
whoooo

in retrospect, not the best-played game but exciting nonetheless
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 17, 2012, 10:49:54 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 17, 2012, 10:37:17 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 10:35:36 PM
why is LeBron backing up to halfcourt again

That has to be a spolestra thing. He should call plays and force them to initiate the offense. Not just let them freelance and iso. What else is a coach there for.

As much as I hate Spoelstra, it's not all on him.  Both Dwyane and Bron have a terrible habit of holding the ball for a long time without making any moves.  It's really annoying to see 5 precious seconds go by without so much as a jab step or pump fake. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 17, 2012, 10:52:42 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on June 17, 2012, 10:49:54 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 17, 2012, 10:37:17 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 10:35:36 PM
why is LeBron backing up to halfcourt again

That has to be a spolestra thing. He should call plays and force them to initiate the offense. Not just let them freelance and iso. What else is a coach there for.

As much as I hate Spoelstra, it's not all on him.  Both Dwyane and Bron have a terrible habit of holding the ball for a long time without making any moves.  It's really annoying to see 5 precious seconds go by without so much as a jab step or pump fake.

I agree that wade and Lebron indulge themselves in those situation but I still think spolestra has to have the influence and respect to not have them indulge their worst habits.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Mandark on June 17, 2012, 10:54:06 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 15, 2012, 12:15:25 PM
Well, until the fourth when the Heat seize up, LeBron camps out by the half court line, and they try to run their "offense" off an isolation with seven seconds to go on the clock.

Last game made me semi-rage over LeBron's backing up to the half-court line on every possession. He'll get the ball inside the three point line, and back out to the logo at center court to size up his man. It's insufferable. If he doesn't do that, it doesn't change the defense he faces in anyway because he's the most unstoppable player in the league in terms of speed, size and ability to drive. All he's doing is adding two steps he has to take, and giving the defense more time to collapse on him.


:bow Nostrabenji :bow2

They did this exact thing tonight in the 4th, like running down the clock took priority over actually scoring, even with a small lead and several minutes to play.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 11:02:37 PM
This is turning into one of those series' where all the stars (except the magical one who won the game with his grit, determination, clutch giant balls blah blah blah) gets killed by everyone, and then you look at the box score and think 'fuck, that guy had an awesome game'
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Mandark on June 17, 2012, 11:23:21 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 11:02:37 PM
This is turning into one of those series' where all the stars (except the magical one who won the game with his grit, determination, clutch giant balls blah blah blah) gets killed by everyone, and then you look at the box score and think 'fuck, that guy had an awesome game'

Yes.

Earlier I was thinking "man, it's so crazy that people were actually saying the Thunder should ditch Westbrook, and now he's helped lead them to the Finals the very next year."  Only to find out that a big chunk of people still think they should ditch Westbrook.  Yeesh.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 17, 2012, 11:47:44 PM
:bow this series :bow2

Star players playing well (for the most part), exciting back and forths, great shots being made.  Just need some overtimes!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 11:50:47 PM
Quote from: Mandark on June 17, 2012, 11:23:21 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 11:02:37 PM
This is turning into one of those series' where all the stars (except the magical one who won the game with his grit, determination, clutch giant balls blah blah blah) gets killed by everyone, and then you look at the box score and think 'fuck, that guy had an awesome game'

Yes.

Earlier I was thinking "man, it's so crazy that people were actually saying the Thunder should ditch Westbrook, and now he's helped lead them to the Finals the very next year."  Only to find out that a big chunk of people still think they should ditch Westbrook.  Yeesh.

Yeah, it's beyond nuts. I'm the biggest Rondo fan on the planet and I'd trade him straight up for Westbrook in a heartbeat. Rondo is the better distributor by a mile, but Westbrook is an unstoppable force, and way more consistent (his confidence is off the charts, which is something Rondo occasionally suffers from).

Casuals seem to think lay-ups and dunks are a given, and that 'good shooting' is only determined by your accuracy on long-distance jumpers. Well, you have to get to the rim first, and finishing when you get there is harder than it may look (contrast Rondo and Tony Parker). Durant is the better distance shooter by a mile, but that team needs Westbrook getting to the rim to shoot a high percentage as a team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 17, 2012, 11:53:10 PM
ha ha, my nickname at the gym is Mr. No Shot but I still usually end up with the most buckets.  Why shoot a J when you can get within 5 ft of the rim?

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 17, 2012, 11:54:59 PM
ESPN radio said that Durant was 6 of 8 against Lebron in the first 3 quarters but only 1 for 5 in the 4th with 2 turnovers.  Jack Ramsey and Will Perdue credit Lebron for playing "shut down" D but I dunno.  Lebron's D on Durant was pretty sloppy today.  Even in the 4th, Durant was getting by Lebron at will.  It just seemed like Lebron got much better help in the 4th. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 11:57:15 PM
man i am arguing about Kobe vs Westbrook with Rob Liefeld on twitter right now. It's like the two worst parts of my favorite pastimes colliding :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 17, 2012, 11:57:32 PM
Anyone else thought Bosh's play was impressive tonight?  He was tentative on a couple of catches inside but he was terrific on help defense and got several huge offensive rebounds. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 17, 2012, 11:58:41 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 11:57:15 PM
man i am arguing about Kobe vs Westbrook with Rob Liefeld on twitter right now. It's like the two worst parts of my favorite pastimes colliding :lol

He would probably stop hating if Westbrook can get his delts to be bigger than his head. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 18, 2012, 12:02:14 AM
Yeah, Bosh was solid. Committed to defense and rebounding, which is mostly all they need from him. Worked the PNR well with Wade in the early going too.

If anyone deserves heat (har har) for this loss, it's Harden. He really struggled against Miami's traps. He got through a few times and got to the line, but in general, they really limited his movement I thought. And my impression was that he took as many bad jumpers as Westbrook (although the stats may reveal something different, haven't checked yet...).
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 18, 2012, 12:02:55 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on June 17, 2012, 11:53:10 PM
ha ha, my nickname at the gym is Mr. No Shot but I still usually end up with the most buckets.  Why shoot a J when you can get within 5 ft of the rim?


Shaq scored 28,000 career pts without ever scoring on a J that I saw.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 18, 2012, 12:07:20 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on June 17, 2012, 11:58:41 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 11:57:15 PM
man i am arguing about Kobe vs Westbrook with Rob Liefeld on twitter right now. It's like the two worst parts of my favorite pastimes colliding :lol

He would probably stop hating if Westbrook can get his delts to be bigger than his head. 

He's telling me I don't know what I'm talking about re: the Lakers because I didn't watch them play :lol 

I hated those f'in Lakers teams he's talking about more than life itself. I knew the Lakers better than any other team except the Kings back then. Lakers fans! I've yet to meet a sane one.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 18, 2012, 12:07:46 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 18, 2012, 12:02:14 AM
Yeah, Bosh was solid. Committed to defense and rebounding, which is mostly all they need from him. Worked the PNR well with Wade in the early going too.

If anyone deserves heat (har har) for this loss, it's Harden. He really struggled against Miami's traps. He got through a few times and got to the line, but in general, they really limited his movement I thought. And my impression was that he took as many bad jumpers as Westbrook (although the stats may reveal something different, haven't checked yet...).

He also took a gamble on a flop instead of playing solid D on Lebron in the closing minutes.  It probably wasn't smart to think that he would get the call over Lebron in that situation. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 18, 2012, 12:09:32 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 18, 2012, 12:07:20 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on June 17, 2012, 11:58:41 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 17, 2012, 11:57:15 PM
man i am arguing about Kobe vs Westbrook with Rob Liefeld on twitter right now. It's like the two worst parts of my favorite pastimes colliding :lol

He would probably stop hating if Westbrook can get his delts to be bigger than his head. 

He's telling me I don't know what I'm talking about re: the Lakers because I didn't watch them play :lol 

I hated those f'in Lakers teams he's talking about more than life itself. I knew the Lakers better than any other team except the Kings back then. Lakers fans! I've yet to meet a sane one.

Magic is probably the sanest one which is why much of LA has labeled him a hater.   If not for Magic's accomplisments for Lakers, he would be even more reviled than David Stern right now. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 18, 2012, 12:13:40 AM
yep.

That thing he does of holding the ball out in front, hoping to draw a foul backfired on him at least once too. He ended up losing it. I think the Heat are too smart and too active defensively to try that shit over and over. This is not the Warriors in January.

Liefeld is not backing down - thinks Westbrook should be traded :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2012, 12:14:43 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 18, 2012, 12:02:55 AM
Shaq scored 28,000 career pts without ever scoring on a J that I saw.
Hey, he has that one three pointer!

Quote from: Mandark on June 17, 2012, 10:54:06 PM
:bow Nostrabenji :bow2

They did this exact thing tonight in the 4th, like running down the clock took priority over actually scoring, even with a small lead and several minutes to play.
It's not really a prediction when you see it in every close game for three or four years.  :lol

The running down the clock with a four to six point lead has to be Spoelstra, the backing up thing is LeBron. He would do it in Cleveland. The difference was Cleveland often spread the floor with three bombers and Varejao boxing out. Miami has Wade and Bosh out there who both score mostly from 18 feet in. So when LeBron gets closer to the rim they both move in as well. (And because they often stick LeBron and Wade on opposite sides of the court for isos you only ever seem to have one of Battier/Chalmers on that side for a three point kick out.)

It's like Stoney said, you can just so easily pick out all the flaws. Yet they're still here 100+ games later.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 18, 2012, 12:17:12 AM
Without Westbrook, the Heat would have a much easier time of stopping Durant.  As good as Durant is, he won't be able to do much against a constant Wade and Lebron double team. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 18, 2012, 12:22:26 AM
Great as Durant is, he still isn't Dirk in that you can't just throw it in his general direction, and he will grab it from 12ft in the air and be in perfect position ready to score. He can do that a lot on smaller guys thanks to his reach, but he's just not massive enough to really seal off big, burly defenders like LeBron or Haslem.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 18, 2012, 12:23:56 AM
You know what else would have helped? If Durant and Westbrook hadn't sat so damn much late in the game, sheesh. And of course, nobody actually fouled out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 18, 2012, 12:31:43 AM
just realized that the Thunder have to win 3 straight now for my 4-2 prediction to come true :fbm

I really have no idea who the better team is yet. I feel pretty confident in saying that LeBron has been the best player, and that the Heat have been a hair better but with some adjustments, I think the Thunder can be better...it's probably going 7 now. Which would be INSANE. No wonder Stern looks like he's had his first BJ of the decade
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 18, 2012, 12:34:22 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 18, 2012, 12:23:56 AM
You know what else would have helped? If Durant and Westbrook hadn't sat so damn much late in the game, sheesh. And of course, nobody actually fouled out.

Brooks is going to have to ride them more. Lebron and wade are barely coming out of these games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2012, 12:34:29 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 18, 2012, 12:22:26 AM
Great as Durant is, he still isn't Dirk in that you can't just throw it in his general direction, and he will grab it from 12ft in the air and be in perfect position ready to score. He can do that a lot on smaller guys thanks to his reach, but he's just not massive enough to really seal off big, burly defenders like LeBron or Haslem.
He also still does a lot of standing when Westbrook or Harden are isolating. He's improved on this, but it still seems like he only runs around screens Rip/Reggie style when it's a set play. LeBron did quite a bit of cheating tonight because Durant would just camp somewhere rather than move with the ball.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 18, 2012, 12:39:19 AM
Joel anthony still has only played two minutes in this series. He averaged 20 minutes for them in the regular season. And plenty of time in the other playoff series. This has been a smart adjustment.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 18, 2012, 12:40:43 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 18, 2012, 12:34:22 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 18, 2012, 12:23:56 AM
You know what else would have helped? If Durant and Westbrook hadn't sat so damn much late in the game, sheesh. And of course, nobody actually fouled out.

Brooks is going to have to ride them more. Lebron and wade are barely coming out of these games.

Yes, and not just those two. Harden and Ibaka have to be on court for 40+ minutes. Anyone who whines in the locker room, give them a fluffy bunny to cuddle. The most talented players have to play, since that's what the other team is doing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 18, 2012, 12:41:25 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 18, 2012, 12:39:19 AM
Joel anthony still has only played two minutes in this series. He averaged 20 minutes for them in the regular season. And plenty of time in the other playoff series. This has been a smart adjustment.

Yeah, and Turiaf has been banished as well. Mike Miller over James Jones is still a head-scratcher, but otherwise I think Spoelstra is playing the right guys.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 18, 2012, 12:42:42 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 18, 2012, 12:34:29 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 18, 2012, 12:22:26 AM
Great as Durant is, he still isn't Dirk in that you can't just throw it in his general direction, and he will grab it from 12ft in the air and be in perfect position ready to score. He can do that a lot on smaller guys thanks to his reach, but he's just not massive enough to really seal off big, burly defenders like LeBron or Haslem.
He also still does a lot of standing when Westbrook or Harden are isolating. He's improved on this, but it still seems like he only runs around screens Rip/Reggie style when it's a set play. LeBron did quite a bit of cheating tonight because Durant would just camp somewhere rather than move with the ball.

Right. Against the Spurs, it seemed like they had figured out that they are better if they all move and run actual plays. But it's not happening very often here.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 18, 2012, 12:52:06 AM
Also, can we talk about Shane Battier for a moment?  Dude's FIRST finals appearance and he's playing like its his last.  Smart defense for the most part, and he's shooting fucking great from the arc.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Mandark on June 18, 2012, 12:56:17 AM
Battier has always done a lot of really smart things as a player, like the trademark hand in the shooter's face to screen their vision (why doesn't everyone do this?).  Late in the game when Perkins was shooting a free throw, Battier jumped into the middle of the lane after he shot to make sure Perkins couldn't rebound his own miss rather than double either of the OKC players, who were both small enough to be blocked out by one guy.

The issue's always been, especially this year, how much he could physically pull off.  It's nice to see him being able to contribute.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 18, 2012, 12:58:14 AM
On the other hand, those baskets are all assisted, right? It's good that he's knocking them down now, but let's not forget all the misses on wide-open 3s throughout the season. There is some mean-reversion going on here....still, props. Better to make them now than in the 1st round!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 18, 2012, 12:59:28 AM
mandark...

(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww46/JennyOwnsBrielle/Reaction%20images/519220-20animated_gif20futurama20narrow_eyes20phi20philip_j_fry20reaction_image20stare.gif)

not sure if thats all sarcasm
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2012, 12:59:52 AM
It's shocking, he was so bad all season long, and looked like he was done.

Almost like he was saving it all up during the season to go all out in the Finals. Probably would play every minute if he had to.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Mandark on June 18, 2012, 01:01:12 AM
No, BrandNew, I'm not sassing you.

Not until you try to sell me Dwyane Wade as the new Reggie Miller again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 18, 2012, 01:03:00 AM
I'm glad he's contributed these three games. Like most people I like and respect Battier but he had such a miserable offensive season and playoffs that it was hard to expect anything from him in the finals. But all around he's played a lot better in these three games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 18, 2012, 01:19:18 AM
(https://p.twimg.com/Avo80gNCIAApuNT.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 18, 2012, 01:19:57 AM
Quote from: Mandark on June 18, 2012, 12:56:17 AM
Battier has always done a lot of really smart things as a player, like the trademark hand in the shooter's face to screen their vision (why doesn't everyone do this?). 

I remember reading somewhere that waving a hand in the face is actually illegal although it's almost never called. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2012, 01:22:44 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 18, 2012, 01:19:18 AM
https://p.twimg.com/Avo80gNCIAApuNT.jpg
(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1190952/spod.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 18, 2012, 01:54:36 AM
what play was that?  didn't westbrook hit a clutch three?  was that it?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2012, 02:19:48 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 18, 2012, 01:54:36 AM
what play was that?  didn't westbrook hit a clutch three?  was that it?
I think that was his brick at the end of the game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 18, 2012, 02:43:33 AM
otherwise, good screen by spoelstra.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 18, 2012, 11:24:46 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 18, 2012, 02:43:33 AM
otherwise, good screen by spoelstra.
:lol
Great game last night. Most entertaining finals in a long time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2012, 11:28:29 AM
Going to copy-paste a post I made on GAF, hope you guys don't mind, didn't want to rewrite it really:

Hey loserbros, been working on updating my stat file for 2011-12 and figured one or two people here might be interested.

Here is an example, with our best friends the Charlotte Bobcats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnFHT-BqgIfddGpYbEhQX09fMlhYT1E2a05sZlBuMFE (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnFHT-BqgIfddGpYbEhQX09fMlhYT1E2a05sZlBuMFE)

I only have a handful of teams currently done, but will take requests for specific teams if anyone is actually interested.

Will also respond to questions about what the fuck any of it means. Feel free to PM these as well, especially if I haven't responded after a couple days to something you really wanted to know.

I can also provide them in Excel format so you can sort and such: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/820953/bobcats1112.xlsx (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/820953/bobcats1112.xlsx)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 18, 2012, 01:49:13 PM
Quote
New York Knicks starting player Tyson Chandler, one of our 50 Most Stylish New Yorkers Right Now, proclaimed his love for capes in an interview with WWD today.

“Probably the most dramatic pieces in my wardrobe would be capes,” the center reportedly said. “I wouldn’t consider myself Goth, but I love Gothic pieces,” he continued.

The article describes Chandler's off-the-court demeanor as an "art-loving hipster with a beard and a passion for photography and friends." No stranger to style, Chandler probably feels comfortable exploring different types of fashions with teammates like Amar'e Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony also making regular appearances at fashion shows and stylish ceremonies like the Met Gala.

Chander likes that New York has a lot of different types of clothes for sale, whether it's dark designers or high-end tailoring. “When I’m in other cities, you can’t just pop up at Rick Owens….You can’t just go down to Tom Ford,” he said.

 :usacry


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDbN9TZqFcg
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 18, 2012, 01:52:33 PM
Less baggy pants, more capes!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 18, 2012, 01:55:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3MI5cSitmw
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 18, 2012, 08:36:49 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 18, 2012, 11:28:29 AM
Going to copy-paste a post I made on GAF, hope you guys don't mind, didn't want to rewrite it really:

Hey loserbros, been working on updating my stat file for 2011-12 and figured one or two people here might be interested.

Here is an example, with our best friends the Charlotte Bobcats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnFHT-BqgIfddGpYbEhQX09fMlhYT1E2a05sZlBuMFE (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnFHT-BqgIfddGpYbEhQX09fMlhYT1E2a05sZlBuMFE)

I only have a handful of teams currently done, but will take requests for specific teams if anyone is actually interested.

Will also respond to questions about what the fuck any of it means. Feel free to PM these as well, especially if I haven't responded after a couple days to something you really wanted to know.

I can also provide them in Excel format so you can sort and such: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/820953/bobcats1112.xlsx (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/820953/bobcats1112.xlsx)

Is there anything there not available on say, basketball-reference?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2012, 10:06:57 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 18, 2012, 08:36:49 PM
Is there anything there not available on say, basketball-reference?
Yes, lots. I am making a glossary.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2012, 12:59:21 AM
Made it: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnFHT-BqgIfddFJhQWlsVlJOR253TTI4Z3BDcENFR2c
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 19, 2012, 02:09:44 AM
awesome!

Although I could have told you the Bobcats sucked without all that work.

Attempting to measure stops by a particular player seems fraught with difficulty in these days of 5-men-on-a-string team defenses with everyone rotating like crazy. Did you get anything interesting from that?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2012, 10:46:10 AM
The heat never seem to respond in these situations where they have a chance to put a series on lockdown. Bet the house on the Thunder tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 19, 2012, 11:01:43 AM
I'll respectively disagree unless Durant puts up 40+. I think Lebron smells blood. He won't let this finals get away.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2012, 11:07:04 AM
OKC's offense disappears for long stretches because they stop running plays and rely on isolation, or a series of fast shots before the offense can set up.

I'd start Derek Fisher thh. At least he can feed Durant and Harding the ball. And that vet leadership? Priceless
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2012, 11:09:48 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on June 19, 2012, 11:01:43 AM
I'll respectively disagree unless Durant puts up 40+. I think Lebron smells blood. He won't let this finals get away.

I'm rooting for the Heat so I hope so but they almost never finish a team early when they have the chance to.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2012, 11:16:07 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJr7K05SsTc
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 19, 2012, 11:33:51 AM
Respectively huh? Damned autocorrect.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2012, 05:52:57 PM
I'm probably more antsy about a basketball game than I've been in years. Maybe since when the Magic with Shaq and Penny made the finals. If the Heat win tonight they essentially win the title. If they lose then I feel like the series is going 7 and its anybody's guess.

Fucking sports. Just when I think I'm out and beyond this shit, they drag me back in.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 19, 2012, 07:34:03 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2012, 11:09:48 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on June 19, 2012, 11:01:43 AM
I'll respectively disagree unless Durant puts up 40+. I think Lebron smells blood. He won't let this finals get away.

I'm rooting for the Heat so I hope so but they almost never finish a team early when they have the chance to.

Maybe you should both stop talking mystical nonsense and think about the fact that through 3 games, the Heat have scored 286 and the Thunder 285. These are two incredibly closely-matched teams. It's not about who smells blood or who lets who off the floor.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2012, 07:40:43 PM
http://www.the-coli.com/coliseum/14796-come-here-like-mike.html#.T-EN85GJ6iA
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 19, 2012, 07:41:42 PM
According to Hollinger, so far we have only seen the 'Collison - Ibaka - Durant - Sefolosha - Harden - Westbrook' line-up for FOUR MINUTES ALL SEASON (not just the playoffs!). Holy crap.

That line-up should be absolutely devastating against a team as small as the Heat, both offensively and defensively. Blows my mind that we don't see it for at least 20 mins a game. The template for the Thunder to beat the Heat is right in front of 'em! 

I think they just have a false sense of security because their regular starting line-up (which looks much more conventional and less risky) is still so damn good, and still overpowers non-elite teams. But sadly it looks like Brooks is determined to do this the hard way. I suppose it means more suspenseful basketball for all of us.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2012, 07:49:12 PM
Quote
Ohio State big man Jared Sullinger has been medically flagged by NBA doctors who have expressed concern over the player's back, multiple league sources told ESPN.com on Monday.
http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2012/story/_/id/8069495/2012-nba-draft-docs-medically-red-flag-jared-sullinger-sources-say

Not a big fan of Sullinger's...but if he fell to the Pistons I'd take him in a heart beat
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 19, 2012, 07:50:24 PM
The Suns should nab him on the cheap...bet their medical team can get him straightened out in a New York minute
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: etiolate on June 19, 2012, 07:54:50 PM
Medically flagged player? Geoff Petrie's eyes just lit up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 19, 2012, 08:14:21 PM
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Heading into Game 4, James is averaging 30.7 points and 9.7 rebounds in the playoffs. Here’s the list of players who have averaged at least 30.7 points and 9.7 boards in a postseason during the modern era:

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Shaquille O’Neal. Hakeem Olajuwon.

That’s it. That’s the list. Three of the all-time great centers.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/14894/now-playing-lebron-1-through-5-james

:o

And he got 15 boards in gm 3 playing WITH Bosh. That's just who he is now. Someone who gives you 30pts, double-digit rebounds, 5 assists a night, defends your whole team. Ffffuuuuuuu
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2012, 09:33:16 PM
Nice start miami  :maf

Thunder very hot and very active early. Hopefully that cools off.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2012, 09:34:51 PM
Thunder look so much better with Collison on the court instead of Perkins
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 19, 2012, 09:36:44 PM
Well, the Thunder do, not the Heat.

Brooks really really REALLY needs to take this on board. Look at the difference in how FAST they are and how well they defend and get transition buckets. They're not going to get so many points off jumpers as they have been doing (i hope Westbrook doesn'T go into heat check mode) but the defense, energy and ball movement can certainly continue.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2012, 09:53:08 PM
lots of miami threes tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 19, 2012, 09:54:04 PM
i.e. LeBron is passing more
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2012, 09:57:44 PM
Wade's first half struggles continue. Don't understand what is going on there really.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2012, 10:01:13 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 19, 2012, 09:36:44 PM
Well, the Thunder do, not the Heat.

Brooks really really REALLY needs to take this on board. Look at the difference in how FAST they are and how well they defend and get transition buckets. They're not going to get so many points off jumpers as they have been doing (i hope Westbrook doesn'T go into heat check mode) but the defense, energy and ball movement can certainly continue.

And then they run out of gas, offense doesn't settle down, and Westbrook starts jacking shots. They just look so awkward
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2012, 10:04:28 PM
Lebron is beasting tonight. I so love that he's dumped the jump shots and fucking drives now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 19, 2012, 10:09:32 PM
damn, great last shot there from LeBron to Battier, unlucky
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 19, 2012, 10:24:27 PM
I think I could watch this series all summer. Amazingly well-balanced, crazy performances from the best players in the game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 19, 2012, 10:26:17 PM
People need to realize that you're going to need to take and make some bad shots to beat D as good as the Heat's
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2012, 10:35:40 PM
OKC plays like they don't care or realize what's happening
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2012, 10:54:54 PM
James for me is finally displaying the post game I've wanted to see from him his whole career.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2012, 10:57:23 PM
Can't overstate the 4th quarter here. This is the series for the Thunder.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 19, 2012, 11:04:13 PM
Harden is making Nick Anderson look good.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2012, 11:04:31 PM
Harden struggling bad. Wade is too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 19, 2012, 11:07:26 PM
The Heat just need to keep going through LeBron and they got this. No silly heat check long jumpers either, from him or Wade.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2012, 11:07:48 PM
I don't want Lebron taking another jumper in this quarter. Go down in the post and either shoot or pass. That's where the high percentages are.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 19, 2012, 11:08:04 PM
it's like, after 9 seasons, he FINALLY gets what everybody in the whole universe has been saying since he was 18. He's utterly unstoppable in the post.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 19, 2012, 11:08:34 PM
lol David Stern and his wife are identical
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2012, 11:10:42 PM
Westbrook is beast. Fuck all that point guard criticism. That's what he does and he does it well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 19, 2012, 11:11:15 PM
I'm thinking this would be a good time to hit up Rob Liefeld again on twitter re: Westbrook
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2012, 11:13:22 PM
it's time for Lebron to go back into the post and stop the J's. Let's see if spolestra calls those plays. Or pick and rolls or screens.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Mandark on June 19, 2012, 11:13:32 PM
Amnesty Russell Westbrook!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 19, 2012, 11:17:56 PM
WOW. What a block.

James limping around?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 19, 2012, 11:20:03 PM
to be fair, Harden has been spending a lot of time guarding LBJ.

Who is now hobbling. He is made of iron but he doesn't have much time to get this right. Would be a real shame for this to affect the outcome.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 19, 2012, 11:20:33 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on June 19, 2012, 11:17:56 PM
WOW. What a block.

James limping around?

I think you mean 'WOW. Derek Fisher actually thought he could finish over Dwayne Wade'
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 19, 2012, 11:25:02 PM
tied game, no breathing from now on for me
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2012, 11:27:42 PM
Game of the year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 19, 2012, 11:29:19 PM
Injured Lebron with the big three-pointer. Momentum killer for OKC?

Holy crap the Heat are in God Mode.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 19, 2012, 11:29:39 PM
Flu game from LeBron. That was a terrible shot but he fucking hit it :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2012, 11:34:41 PM
Crazy shit. Great play from chalmers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: bachikarn on June 19, 2012, 11:34:54 PM
I love that there is a Sonics fan in the crowd near the court.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 19, 2012, 11:37:56 PM
Harden's agent has his gun in his mouth right now, I swear
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 19, 2012, 11:38:03 PM
Why isn't that shit an intentional foul? Always driven me nuts.

Quote from: bachikarn on June 19, 2012, 11:34:54 PM
I love that there is a Sonics fan in the crowd near the court.

Fuck yeah!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2012, 11:38:19 PM
Feel bad for Westbrook. Bad foul. He played a great game. Terrible foul though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 19, 2012, 11:40:23 PM
Fuck, this series should be going 7. aargh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2012, 11:41:09 PM
Part of the blame has to go to the coaching staff. You have to let the players know they can't foul after that jumpball.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 19, 2012, 11:41:09 PM
A 4-1 series win would be too kind.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2012, 11:44:45 PM
(http://h9.abload.de/img/untitled-2pzb9y.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 19, 2012, 11:52:33 PM
So if the Heat close out 4-1, they'll have played more home games (3) than the team with 'home court advantage' (which is worth 5pts vs a neutral site, so a 10pt swing from OKC to Miami apparently).
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2012, 11:53:16 PM
Pretty bad series. OKC looks so bad for long periods of time. Westbrook had a good game but their offense is just so one dimensional
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 19, 2012, 11:54:17 PM
Harden and Durant are spending too much time and energy on guarding LeBron. Their offense has rarely looked this bad.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2012, 11:55:15 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 19, 2012, 11:44:45 PM
(http://h9.abload.de/img/untitled-2pzb9y.gif)

(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5267/youngsabu.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2012, 11:55:55 PM
WindhorstESPN Brian Windhorst
LeBron was being bothered by cramps at halftime, limited him thru 3Q. Tried to play thru it but couldn't.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: bachikarn on June 20, 2012, 12:42:32 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0wiLTsDqag
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 20, 2012, 12:47:49 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 19, 2012, 11:54:17 PM
Harden and Durant are spending too much time and energy on guarding LeBron. Their offense has rarely looked this bad.

Harden is the missing link for why their offense hasn't been able to hang. He often plays as well as either Durant or Westbrook and he certainly was in every series outside of this one.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 20, 2012, 12:48:57 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 19, 2012, 11:55:55 PM
WindhorstESPN Brian Windhorst
LeBron was being bothered by cramps at halftime, limited him thru 3Q. Tried to play thru it but couldn't.

His first three quarters were brilliant. That was the style of play he should use as a base for his game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 20, 2012, 12:51:30 AM
I like how you can tell how miami is playing based simply on the silence from some people. No tweets from Bill Simmons.

Ric Bucher is going to suck a shotgun if Miami wins.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 20, 2012, 12:54:04 AM
:bow motherfucking Lebron :bow2

can't wait to see bayless play his role tomorrow.  should be amaing to see how flustered stephen a smith gets

also, motherFUCK at westbrook.  dude was legit all game.  too bad about that foul though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 20, 2012, 12:58:44 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2012, 11:53:16 PM
Pretty bad series. OKC looks so bad for long periods of time. Westbrook had a good game but their offense is just so one dimensional

You're underselling the game Westbrook had a bit imo.

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Westbrook becomes the 3rd player in the last 25 seasons to make 20 baskets in a Finals game. 
Russell Westbrook had 43 points while shooting 62.5% from the field. Only Shaquille O'Neal (44 pts in 2001) and Michael Jordan (46 pts in 1992) had more in a Finals game in the last 25 seasons while shooting at least 60%.
Russell Westbrook had 43 points, 5 assists and 7 rebounds. The only other players to reach each of those totals in a Finals game in the last 25 seasons are Michael Jordan in Game 3 1993 and Shaquille O'Neal in Game 1 2001.

Hopefully this is the nail in the coffin for the stupid talk about what Westbrook isn't.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 20, 2012, 01:03:27 AM
yeah I'm eating dat crow right now.  Sometimes he makes boneheaded decisions (and any other night, him taking jumpers beyond the arc to me just makes me cringe), but he's a fascinating talent and great player to watch
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 20, 2012, 01:05:04 AM
ESPN Stats & Info ‏@ESPNStatsInfo
LeBron scored or assisted on 55 of the Heat's 104 points. He's the 1st with 26 Pts, 12 Ast, 9 Reb in NBA Finals game since Larry Bird ('86).
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 20, 2012, 01:17:21 AM
ah fuck he was so close to a triple double
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 20, 2012, 01:48:56 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 20, 2012, 12:51:30 AM
I like how you can tell how miami is playing based simply on the silence from some people. No tweets from Bill Simmons.

Ric Bucher is going to suck a shotgun if Miami wins.


Simmons talked on a podcast recently about banning himself from tweeting in-game, so maybe that's it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 20, 2012, 01:56:48 AM
To be fair he did make one post game tweet but he's generally a lot quieter after a team like the heat wins. If the Heat lose that's when the podcasts and tweets often fly. But then much of the media operates in that fashion.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 20, 2012, 02:27:55 AM
Yeah, it's not like Dan LeBetard is gonna be all classy if/when the Heat finish this off.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 20, 2012, 09:16:04 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on June 19, 2012, 11:01:43 AM
I'll respectively disagree unless DurantWestbrook puts up 40+. I think Lebron smells blood. He won't let this finals get away.
:smug
 What a great game. Harden had a really bad game. Such a fast game with people flying up and down the court. Can't ask for much more.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 20, 2012, 11:45:26 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on June 20, 2012, 09:16:04 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on June 19, 2012, 11:01:43 AM
I'll respectively disagree unless DurantWestbrook puts up 40+. I think Lebron smells blood. He won't let this finals get away.
:smug
 What a great game. Harden had a really bad game. Such a fast game with people flying up and down the court. Can't ask for much more.

Yea but OKC is playing like Miami used to play: lots of fast shots, isolation, and players standing around on offense.  :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Mandark on June 20, 2012, 12:05:52 PM
That's not surprising, though.  OKC had the fewest assists of any team in the NBA this year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 20, 2012, 03:19:17 PM
If I was Sploestra or Riley that game last night, especially the first three quarters is the game film I would show to Lebron every day and say that's the player he should be. I never liked Lebron as this emulated model of Kobe Bryant that I always felt he was trying to be. That game was more impressive to me than the crazy Boston game he had simply because that boston game was a bit of luck. You can't count on being that hot very often at all. But you can play in away that maximizes your talents and that's what he did last night. It was a lot more like a crazy effective and more talented version of Chris Webber than Kobe.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 20, 2012, 03:23:46 PM
Good job, good effort Thunder.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 20, 2012, 08:31:23 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 20, 2012, 03:19:17 PM
If I was Sploestra or Riley that game last night, especially the first three quarters is the game film I would show to Lebron every day and say that's the player he should be. I never liked Lebron as this emulated model of Kobe Bryant that I always felt he was trying to be. That game was more impressive to me than the crazy Boston game he had simply because that boston game was a bit of luck. You can't count on being that hot very often at all. But you can play in away that maximizes your talents and that's what he did last night. It was a lot more like a crazy effective and more talented version of Chris Webber than Kobe.

absolutely.

Although I sympathize for LeBron in that it probably seems to all the casuals who only tune in to the Finals that he just decided to start playing in post a few games ago after being humiliated last year, when in reality, it has been a multi-year process. His problem has always been that he is good at almost everything, but has had to focus on being great at a few things to really dominate.

The Thunder are the same problem writ large. They have 3 amazing offensive talents who can all drive, shoot and pass well, and they can do a hell of a lot with that. But to really excel, they're going to need to focus their gifts a little bit more. Surrender some shots to role players, figure out who is setting up the offense and how everyone fits into it, and commit to defense. They already know how to do it, as the Spurs series showed. They just need to do it a greater percentage of the time.

Given that they rallied to beat the Spurs (who we thought were the best team in the NBA) 4 times in a row, and have the prospect of 2 straight games in OKC if they can survive game 5, I'm not totally ready to write them off yet. This '30-0 all time in the Finals' stuff is nonsense - the Finals are no more statistically significant than any other series, and OKC was the favorite with HCA in this series, unlike most of the other times the 3-1 disparity has occurred. All the games other than 1 have been so close that there is no real reason why they can't win with HCA and a few lucky bounces. Psychologically it has to be very tough though. But as long as they stay alive, they give themselves a chance for luck to happen I guess. You never know, Wade's knee could burst or Bosh's injury flare up again...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 20, 2012, 09:16:31 PM
FFS :lol

how the FUCK can he win

(http://s1-02.twitpicproxy.com/photos/large/602529328.jpg?key=996559)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Mandark on June 20, 2012, 09:25:30 PM
Saw the show, and both hosts were completely praising LeBron, as was Barkley as the guest (he predicted that by the time he retires, LBJ vs. MJ will be a legit debate).  The question was whether the NBA draws in more viewers with the Heat as villains who get beat, which you might think is trivial but is a fair question.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 20, 2012, 09:50:42 PM
Colin Cowherd was talking about that the other day too, that a lot of people hate the Heat and Lebron and tune in to see them lose. Also debate about whether he's a choker, and can you be one of the greatest of all-time without a ring fuels sports talk. Most of that will go away after he wins his first ring.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 20, 2012, 10:05:41 PM
Well, then the narrative turns to 'Who Can Dethrone the King?' and 'Durant - Overrated One-Dimensional Scorer Who Won't Get His Ass in the Weight-Room and Into the Post, I Mean Seriously Look at the Guy, What Does He Eat, Cabbage? Never Gonna Win a Ring'

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 20, 2012, 10:21:01 PM
It would be really fucking annoying to listen to, is what it would be
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 20, 2012, 10:25:23 PM
If there is anything sillier than attempting to turn sporting events into a narrative after the fact, it is attempting to set a narrative in place BEFORE the fact (and then getting all butthurt when you get it wrong). Personally, I watch sports because I DON'T KNOW AND WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 20, 2012, 10:29:07 PM
I do think it'd be hilarious if LeBron never won a ring (at least not with the Heat in its present form), yet at the same time I feel like I've defended him more than most, at least among people I know irl. So I'm enjoying watching him play up to his potential. He's amazing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 20, 2012, 10:31:20 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 20, 2012, 10:25:23 PM
If there is anything sillier than attempting to turn sporting events into a narrative after the fact, it is attempting to set a narrative in place BEFORE the fact (and then getting all butthurt when you get it wrong). Personally, I watch sports because I DON'T KNOW AND WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT.

Exactly. People want to find out how awesome it would be if Lebron never won a ring.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 20, 2012, 10:31:34 PM
It is true that it never gets old being able to respond to half the things Barkley says with a stab at his ringlessness, but then he is inherently, like Tracy Morgan, a ridiculous person.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 20, 2012, 10:48:24 PM
People hate the Patriots more than the Heat and still tune in...

obviously the NFL is far more popular but the same general rule applies. The Heat winning won't dampen anything - it'll just give rise to new teams to be hyped as the giant killers
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 20, 2012, 10:49:25 PM
yeah, in terms of villainhood, LeBron just gets an upgrade, from say, Electro to Dr fucking Doom
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 20, 2012, 10:56:52 PM
The somewhat annoying thing about LeBron hate is that it has so little to do with him on the court. This is a guy who has never been accused of being a ball hog or selfish (like oh I don't know, Kobe), by most accounts he's a big kid personality wise, he doesn't get in trouble off the court, etc. Nor is he clearly overrated like other media darlings (Brett Favre, Duke, etc...)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2012, 11:09:19 PM
There was a trade today:
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The Washington Wizards traded forward Rashard Lewis and the No. 46 overall draft pick to the New Orleans Hornets for forwards Trevor Ariza and Emeka Okafor.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 20, 2012, 11:20:33 PM
Wizards could be decent upfront now, with Nene and Okafor. But as usual with the Wizards, they will be no more than 'decent', and spending a ton to do it too. Terrible GM.

For the Hornets, it clears up room for Anthony Davis, mostly. I assume Lewis' deal finally expires next year?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2012, 11:28:12 PM
Yeah, but maybe more importantly:
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The Hornets can buyout Lewis' $23.8 million contract for $13.7 million before July 1st.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 20, 2012, 11:31:39 PM
Okafor is one of those dudes I was wrong about. I loved him in college and figured he'd translate very well in the NBA. He had questionable offensive skills but his defense ability plus the benefit of coming from a program that continually produces solid pros made me confident.

He's not bad by any means, and has had some good seasons, but I thought he'd be a lot better
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 20, 2012, 11:34:17 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 20, 2012, 11:28:12 PM
Yeah, but maybe more importantly:
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The Hornets can buyout Lewis' $23.8 million contract for $13.7 million before July 1st.

oooh

Yeah, fantastic trade for the Hornets (as you'd expect dealing with Grunfeld). They are losing a ton of salary already this year IIRC (Kaman etc) and this will save them gazillions. They could actually be a player in free agency this summer now, even. If they pull the trigger on the buyout ASAP. Should be a snap to lock up Gordon as well, now.

The Wizards - more years of mediocrity. Nothing fits there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 20, 2012, 11:38:11 PM
So not ready for the season to end tomorrow :'(

Although if it does, I bet Durant does some Rocky-in-Russia style training over the summer and absolutely devours the league whole next season.  Like 33+ ppg, 10 boards, 5 assists, MVP, scoring title.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2012, 11:59:34 PM
Durant might be burnt out. In a month he starts playing in the Olympics.
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 20, 2012, 11:34:17 PM
They are losing a ton of salary already this year IIRC (Kaman etc) and this will save them gazillions. They could actually be a player in free agency this summer now, even. If they pull the trigger on the buyout ASAP. Should be a snap to lock up Gordon as well, now.
They'll have less than $30 million on the books if they buy out Lewis.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 21, 2012, 12:05:36 AM
Man, their new owner will have to be an utter cretin to blow this. Davis, Gordon and cap space for days in a league starved of it?

I just read the Hollinger article on the trade, holy shit :lol It is caustic to say the least.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 21, 2012, 12:07:17 AM
I'd say being around LeBron for the duration of the Olympics will only fuel the fire for Durant, as it supposedly did for LeBron when he played with Kobe. At the least, he'll get plenty of practice guarding him without 30 million people watching.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 21, 2012, 01:01:48 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 20, 2012, 10:56:52 PM
The somewhat annoying thing about LeBron hate is that it has so little to do with him on the court. This is a guy who has never been accused of being a ball hog or selfish (like oh I don't know, Kobe), by most accounts he's a big kid personality wise, he doesn't get in trouble off the court, etc. Nor is he clearly overrated like other media darlings (Brett Favre, Duke, etc...)

It is ironic that some of the biggest Lebron haters love Michael Jordan, and Kobe Bryant, two of the more unlikable and general asshole stars ever to play the game.

The other annoying bit of course is the media myth that if you never win a title you are pretty much garbage. And that if you do win a title then you are the ultimate team player despite whatever awful history you have. Ron Artest. What a classy winner.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/why-we-hate-lebron,28552/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2012, 01:05:20 AM
Remember Dirk before last season, epic playoff failure who would never be good enough to win, not a real hall of famer, blah blah blah. Then all of the sudden he was the ultimate killer, a proven winner, maybe the greatest forward of all time.
Quote
"It's almost a little funny to me to see how people are all of sudden saying I'm a changed guy," Nowitzki said. "I've been averaging 25 and 10 for 10 years in the playoffs, so it's not like this just came overnight."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 21, 2012, 12:59:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InPDtgqnTx8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmlNvpHxpQ0
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2012, 01:14:51 PM
https://twitter.com/RAULIZM/status/215834032494227456/photo/1
(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5267/youngsabu.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Mandark on June 21, 2012, 01:20:40 PM
Re: The Wizards/Hornets trade


WAT
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 21, 2012, 02:49:12 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2012, 01:14:51 PM
https://twitter.com/RAULIZM/status/215834032494227456/photo/1
(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5267/youngsabu.png)

Black man's kryptonite. (http://i.imgur.com/Z4sKU.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2012, 07:57:18 PM
Juwan Howard And The Triumph Of The Superteam
http://deadspin.com/5920175/

Pretty nice article. Howard was one of the nicest NBA players I've met
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 21, 2012, 09:09:16 PM
Points scored so far: 389 to the Heat, 385 to the Thunder. Yet everyone is sure now that the Heat are light-years better and must win. Barkley says 'It's their time', Greg Anthony says the Thunder have a better chance of walking through a lions den wearing pork chops than winning tonight etc.

I dunno, I intend to watch every second of it anyway. There is no real reason why the Thunder can't win tonight. LeBron has been the best player in the series, but there is no reason, statistically, why Westbrook or Harden or Durant can't be better TONIGHT and make the difference.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 21, 2012, 09:09:34 PM
have to get Perkins involved! (so we can ignore him for the rest of the night)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2012, 09:28:57 PM
Wtf was that Perkins
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 21, 2012, 09:30:18 PM
Heat's big three looking sharp.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 21, 2012, 09:30:57 PM
at this point, wtf do you have to lose by sitting him? Maybe Presti isn't as smart as I thought, if he isn't leaning hard on Brooks to sit him. Collison and Ibaka need to play 35+ mins. They won't.

The Heat look great though. Might not make any difference if LeBron continues to play like this.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 21, 2012, 09:39:24 PM
LeBron ends up with the terrible back-up move again, knew that 3 had no chance of going in
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: bachikarn on June 21, 2012, 09:48:18 PM
That was an amazing flop by Harden
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 21, 2012, 09:51:49 PM
mike miller looks almost paraplegic out there
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 21, 2012, 09:54:15 PM
Harden has had the worst fucking luck with in-and-outs this series, damn. This dry spell rivals any of PD's
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 21, 2012, 10:02:25 PM
Well shit, this looks like it's over.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2012, 10:03:49 PM
Series over

Durant better gain some weight over the summer, he'll be facing LeBron again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 21, 2012, 10:05:29 PM
holy miller
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2012, 10:06:14 PM
OKC has the ugliest offense I've seen from a good team. No ball movement, no point guard
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 21, 2012, 10:09:09 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on June 21, 2012, 10:02:25 PM
Well shit, this looks like it's over.

Well, they were down by this much in game 1 and ended up winning by 11, but it is starting to get that victory lap feel.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 21, 2012, 10:22:13 PM
Mike Miller :bow

How is that dude playing on an NBA court? He should be in a motorized cart
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 21, 2012, 10:47:54 PM
7pt game, Chalmers yapping like he's a big dawg now
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 21, 2012, 10:50:37 PM
Thunder ain't dead yet
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2012, 10:56:46 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 21, 2012, 10:50:37 PM
Thunder ain't dead yet

Lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 21, 2012, 10:58:24 PM
stupid stupid flagrant call
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 21, 2012, 11:06:27 PM
white flag, all over now. Champagne on ice, ready the crown for the coronation
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2012, 11:06:51 PM
Worst finals since 07
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 21, 2012, 11:08:15 PM
wow
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2012, 11:11:28 PM
Brooks got out coached by one of the most average coaches in the league. From the Perkins shit to leaving Harden on LeBron, then the nonexistent offense. What is this
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 21, 2012, 11:12:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsTAUs_h_uY
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 21, 2012, 11:15:21 PM
 :)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 21, 2012, 11:16:03 PM
They need to be knocking on Stan Van Gundy's door right now. May as well pitch Phil Jackson as well, you never know.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 21, 2012, 11:18:18 PM
Zombie Sonics fans ate Brooks' brain.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 21, 2012, 11:19:00 PM
mike miller for mvp
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 21, 2012, 11:19:58 PM
well its time to give the devil his due. I ragged on them all year. I ragged on the coach all year. I still believe a good deal of those criticisms were/are correct but Spolestra coached a good series considering who he is. And Lebron played out of this world for the entire playoffs. I'm really glad Lebron gets his title to shut up the morons who think they know basketball and have shit to say about him.

I'm happy tonight which is rare for me.  :P
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 21, 2012, 11:20:04 PM
I'm watching this right now in Hard Rock Miami.  Crowd is surprisingly quieter than booing Laker fanboys in LA.  I almost wish I was back home to hear the likes of Green Shinobi cry. 

spoiler (click to show/hide)
not really cuz I'm going to a parade! :smug
[close]
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2012, 11:28:00 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on June 21, 2012, 11:20:04 PM
I'm watching this right now in Hard Rock Miami.  Crowd is surprisingly quieter than booing Laker fanboys in LA.  I almost wish I was back home to hear the likes of Green Shinobi cry. 

spoiler (click to show/hide)
not really cuz I'm going to a parade! :smug
[close]

Miami doesn't care about basketball
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 21, 2012, 11:30:13 PM
I'm sure there will partying tonight here in Seattle.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 21, 2012, 11:33:54 PM
man, i should be pissed at Stony right now for putting the spoilers in the title thread but i can't be mad at you tonight bro *hugs*
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 21, 2012, 11:34:56 PM
Triple double  :D :D :D
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 21, 2012, 11:36:26 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 21, 2012, 11:33:54 PM
man, i should be pissed at Stony right now for putting the spoilers in the title thread but i can't be mad at you tonight bro *hugs*

Sorry.  :-[

I thought you were watching.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 21, 2012, 11:38:15 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on June 21, 2012, 11:30:13 PM
I'm sure there will partying tonight here in Seattle.

It's the first time a Seattle team has been to a finals since '05, so of course you're happy!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 21, 2012, 11:40:18 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 21, 2012, 11:36:26 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 21, 2012, 11:33:54 PM
man, i should be pissed at Stony right now for putting the spoilers in the title thread but i can't be mad at you tonight bro *hugs*

Sorry.  :-[

I thought you were watching.

Yeah, I'm watching today but normally I wait 'til my evening. It's all good though. I stay away from the Bore on those days. You've got me good a few times.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 21, 2012, 11:41:50 PM
I'm getting serious Westbrook hate on twitter, damn. Do not understand how people can watch and not see how insanely good this kid is, and how much more he helps rather than hurts OKC. Maybe it's box-score watchers only?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 21, 2012, 11:42:42 PM
So happy that we can all move on from shitting on LeBron to shitting on Westbrook and KD!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 21, 2012, 11:43:40 PM
This was a big FU to Bill Simmons and the other proponents of "doing things the right way (their way).  The good guys won tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Mandark on June 21, 2012, 11:44:16 PM
Typical LeBron, disappearing for the last two minutes of the game.  :smug
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: bachikarn on June 21, 2012, 11:44:35 PM
El heat
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 21, 2012, 11:45:31 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 21, 2012, 11:40:18 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 21, 2012, 11:36:26 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 21, 2012, 11:33:54 PM
man, i should be pissed at Stony right now for putting the spoilers in the title thread but i can't be mad at you tonight bro *hugs*

Sorry.  :-[

I thought you were watching.

Yeah, I'm watching today but normally I wait 'til my evening. It's all good though. I stay away from the Bore on those days. You've got me good a few times.

Good to know. I'll be more careful about that next season. Pure speculation of course but how do you think the Celtics would have fared against the Thunder?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 21, 2012, 11:47:01 PM
man, KD is gonna do some Wu-Tang mystic mountain-style training this offseason and come back like the fuckin' Dothraki horde next year I can feel it
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 21, 2012, 11:47:38 PM
Quote from: Mandark on June 21, 2012, 11:44:16 PM
Typical LeBron, disappearing for the last two minutes of the game.  :smug

Bayless will be on top of this for sure.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 21, 2012, 11:48:17 PM
I am most intrigued by how the Bulls and Spurs would have done against the Heat. They caught a few breaks, really. Bizarre to think that the Pacers and Celtics gave them the most trouble!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 21, 2012, 11:48:21 PM
(http://www.abload.de/img/untitled-17988yu.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 21, 2012, 11:49:07 PM
oh shit, did KD blow off the LeBron bro hug there
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 21, 2012, 11:52:34 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 21, 2012, 11:49:07 PM
oh shit, did KD blow off the LeBron bro hug there

Nah. They hugged I believe unless it was someone else.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 21, 2012, 11:52:42 PM
No, I don't think so.  In fact I think they were hugging for a good 30 seconds.  KD is a class act.  Got a little sad seeing him hugging his parents, he started crying.  But I'm not worried about him: He'll get one soon.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 21, 2012, 11:55:00 PM
ah.

Yeah, a KD championship is utterly inevitable at some point. His growth trajectory has been ridiculous, and he's still at least 5 years from his peak.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Mandark on June 21, 2012, 11:55:40 PM
But if he doesn't get one soon...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 21, 2012, 11:56:34 PM
ooh time for the Larry O'Bryphen trophy presentation
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 21, 2012, 11:57:49 PM
miami booing stern  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 21, 2012, 11:59:19 PM
Stern is a gigantic dick (although Bud Selig is a bigger dick). Can't blame them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 22, 2012, 12:00:48 AM
oh of course haha
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 22, 2012, 12:01:52 AM
I just realized....I never need to defend LeBron in this thread again. This is the end of an era you guys
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 22, 2012, 12:02:47 AM
now you have to defend westbrook!  muahahah
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 22, 2012, 12:03:35 AM
WESTBROOK DEFENSE FORCE ACTIVATE
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 22, 2012, 12:06:15 AM
Rony Turiaf holding the trophy - DON'T DROP IT STONEHANDS
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Mandark on June 22, 2012, 12:07:31 AM
The great thing is what this does retroactively for LeBron's other accomplishments.  Like remember when he scored about a hundred points in a row to put a knife through the heart of the Pistons in the ECF?  We're now allowed to remember that happened and talk about it!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 22, 2012, 12:08:38 AM
to be fair, that has come up about a 1,000 times since game 6 vs the Celtics
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2012, 12:08:49 AM
https://twitter.com/jmgehrke/status/216017552927764484
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 22, 2012, 12:09:17 AM
but like he was a cav, dunt count
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 22, 2012, 12:09:48 AM
Mike Miller is thinking he should probably quit BMX'ing in the offseason
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 22, 2012, 12:11:00 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 22, 2012, 12:01:52 AM
I just realized....I never need to defend LeBron in this thread again. This is the end of an era you guys

But we still don't know if he's clutch since it was a blowout.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2012, 12:13:46 AM
(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2056/ar80o.png)
(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2056/ar80o.png)
(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2056/ar80o.png)
(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2056/ar80o.png)(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2056/ar80o.png)(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2056/ar80o.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 22, 2012, 12:15:55 AM
Kevin Arnovitz feels my feels

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/46336/lebron-james-and-the-end-of-all-that
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2012, 12:17:30 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 22, 2012, 12:16:40 AM
This is the worst day of my life.
http://www.the-coli.com/coliseum/15697-kobe-his-way-gym-right-now.html#.T-PxvZGJ6iA
(third post is classic, for those in the know)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 22, 2012, 12:20:38 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 22, 2012, 12:15:55 AM
Kevin Arnovitz feels my feels

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/46336/lebron-james-and-the-end-of-all-that

Yeah. I'm guilty of it occasionally myself but the psycho-analysis, the narrative making, the weird detest that somebody exercised their personal right to free agency. It all became very weird at best and sort of disgusting at worst.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Mandark on June 22, 2012, 12:21:17 AM
Lest we forget: suck it, Dan Gilbert
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 22, 2012, 12:23:30 AM
Quote from: Mandark on June 22, 2012, 12:21:17 AM
Lest we forget: suck it, Dan Gilbert

http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/news/gilbert_letter_100708.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 22, 2012, 12:25:18 AM
I enjoyed Gilbert's crazy though.

Still, hard to believe that people actually sympathized with a crazy billionaire subprime loan-profiteer over a hard-working and talented man who just wanted to play with teammates on his level? No racism there, no sirree
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2012, 12:26:24 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 22, 2012, 12:23:30 AM
Quote from: Mandark on June 22, 2012, 12:21:17 AM
Lest we forget: suck it, Dan Gilbert

http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/news/gilbert_letter_100708.html

(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2056/ar80o.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 22, 2012, 12:30:09 AM
Baron's performance was especially impressive when u consider how few jumpers he took.  I'm not sire if even MJ could have done that against a team as athletic as OKC.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 22, 2012, 12:33:01 AM
It was so weird to see the role players step up for Miami if you've watched them all season like I have. Lebron drew so much attention that they finally hit the easy shots. As an example.

This was Shane Battier all Season

Pre All-Star Game (34 games): 22.3 MPG, 4.5 PPG, 38.9% FG, 36% 3FG
Post All-Star Game (32 games): 23.9 MPG, 5.1 PPG, 38.5% FG, 32% 3FG
Round 1 vs. Knicks (5 games): 27.6 MPG, 6.0 PPG, 34.6% FG, 32% 3FG
Round 2 vs. Pacers (6 games): 29.3 MPG, 3.8 PPG, 21.2% FG, 27% 3FG
Round 3 vs. Celtics (7 games): 38.0 MPG, 7.1 PPG, 36% FG, 35% 3FG

This was Shane Battier in the finals.

37.6 MPG, 11.6 PPG, 61.3% FG, 58% 3FG

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 22, 2012, 12:39:04 AM
Yeah, it really felt like watching House and Posey killing the Lakers in game 6 in the 2009 season finals. Something just broke in OKC in the 3rd quarter and it turned into a rout. Then silly things started to happen.

The danger of course is that someone ends up thinking that is how good those guys actually are, and then they get signed away by the Hornets for 7 million per.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 22, 2012, 12:40:12 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 22, 2012, 12:25:18 AM
I enjoyed Gilbert's crazy though.

Still, hard to believe that people actually sympathized with a crazy billionaire subprime loan-profiteer over a hard-working and talented man who just wanted to play with teammates on his level? No racism there, no sirree

fuck that font
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2012, 12:40:41 AM
(http://i2.lulzimg.com/eb024ba912.gif)

bosh...come on breh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 22, 2012, 12:42:36 AM
alcohol on the trophies...smh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 22, 2012, 12:46:18 AM
I sorta hope Eddy Curry gets caught tonight snorting coke off of some miami whore's ass
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 22, 2012, 12:50:27 AM
Steve Nash says he wouldn't mind playing for the Knicks.

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/06/21/nash-says-the-magic-words-will-consider-the-knicks-in-free-agency/?ls=iref:nbahpt1


And we still have the summer olympics which should be fun.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: naff on June 22, 2012, 12:52:40 AM
:rofl @ bosh. Man, I was really hoping the series would draw out to 7, I love both teams, but I'm happy Miami won just because LeBron deserves that shit like no-one else. Only game I was able to watch live was the first in the series :fbm

Will download and watch the last 2 games this weekend :rock
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2012, 12:56:10 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 22, 2012, 12:46:18 AM
I sorta hope Eddy Curry gets caught tonight snorting coke off of some miami male whore's ass

fixed, not that there's anything wrong with that
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2012, 01:33:02 AM
Ran across many Peyton comparisons tonight. While both are cases of super stars who's prowess will likely never be seriously questioned again after winning their first championship, Peyton's win was more impressive. Beating the top three ranked defenses in the playoffs including the Super Bowl in horrible weather...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 22, 2012, 01:40:01 AM
So LeBron needs to quit basketball for a year and win the Superbowl to REALLY silence everybody? Got it :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2012, 01:45:51 AM
 :lol

I'm not saying that! But I do think the goal post has been moved by some. "Oh, LeBron didn't play any truly great teams!"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 22, 2012, 01:51:56 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2012, 01:33:02 AM
Ran across many Peyton comparisons tonight. While both are cases of super stars who's prowess will likely never be seriously questioned again after winning their first championship, Peyton's win was more impressive. Beating the top three ranked defenses in the playoffs including the Super Bowl in horrible weather...

Whoa whoa whoa.  Simmer down now.  Lebron never had to overcome Fetushead syndrome to win his championship.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 22, 2012, 01:56:34 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2012, 01:45:51 AM
:lol

I'm not saying that! But I do think the goal post has been moved by some. "Oh, LeBron didn't play any truly great teams!"

I will grant that he didn't have to go through the Bulls, which was a big break. And I think last year's Mavs could have given them fits again, as the Spurs would likely have done. Still, no asterisks on this one as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 22, 2012, 02:02:55 AM
He won and is probably the best player playing today.  No asterisk should be in the conversation.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2012, 02:05:10 AM
lock out season asterisk!

NBA Champion (2012)
NBA Finals MVP (2012)
3× NBA Most Valuable Player (2009–2010, 2012)
8× NBA All-Star (2005–2012)
NBA scoring champion (2008)
6× All-NBA First Team (2006, 2008–2012)
2× All-NBA Second Team (2005, 2007)
4× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2009–2012)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 22, 2012, 02:11:14 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on June 22, 2012, 02:02:55 AM
He won and is probably* the best player playing today.  No asterisk should be in the conversation.

fixed
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2012, 02:59:31 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hb8f-wJ8v8
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 22, 2012, 09:25:31 AM
Congrats to Lebron. He earned it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Robo on June 22, 2012, 11:02:09 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2012, 09:28:57 PM
Wtf was that Perkins

(http://twitpic.com/show/thumb/9z5bfr.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on June 22, 2012, 11:30:13 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2012, 02:59:31 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hb8f-wJ8v8

I wanna see the celebrations in Seattle.  :D
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 22, 2012, 01:33:29 PM
Skip doesn't disappoint.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A-KYoKTBJs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 22, 2012, 01:46:00 PM
Untrue- he's still breathing, so I AM DISAPPOINT.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Mandark on June 22, 2012, 02:10:29 PM
LBJ may not have the clutch gene, but Skip Bayless seems to be short a whole chromosome.

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Okay, feel a bit guilty about that one.
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals edition - Heat versus Thunder)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 22, 2012, 02:38:14 PM
Quote from: Robo on June 22, 2012, 11:02:09 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2012, 09:28:57 PM
Wtf was that Perkins

(http://twitpic.com/show/thumb/9z5bfr.gif)

To be fair, this is the move I use all the time in NBA2K11. If they don't bight I pass.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2012, 03:44:13 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on June 22, 2012, 01:33:29 PM
Skip doesn't disappoint.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A-KYoKTBJs

(http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/2996/comeoni.png)

Skip is sort of right in the sense that this wasn't a close game, we don't know how he would have responded against a better team etc BUT...the dude got a triple double and dominated the finals. His numbers were insane all during the playoffs, there is no way to shit talk him right now.

"Clutch" doesn't just mean the final four minutes of a game. Last night was a clutch game. Durant showed up. LeBron showed up. (Westbrook didn't).
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 22, 2012, 04:29:42 PM
Quote
In a surprise ruling on Friday, New York Knicks' Jeremy Lin and Steve Novak, Los Angeles Clippers' Chauncey Billups and Portland Trail Blazers' J.J. Hickson secured Bird and early Bird rights in a hearing between the NBA players' association and the league.

The decision was made by arbitrator Kenneth Dam, who affirmed that players claimed off waivers are able to retain their valuable Bird and early Bird rights when they become free agents. That means that if Lin, Billups, Novak and Hickson re-sign, their teams can go over the salary cap. The Celtics were the first team to use this exception, re-signing star Larry Bird to go over the cap.

The NBA said it would appeal Friday's ruling.

All four players were waived this season and claimed by other teams. They will become free agents July 1.

In addition, future players claimed off waivers will likewise benefit from Friday's ruling.

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The ruling is especially huge for the Knicks. They can now retain Lin, Novak and Landry Fields at up to $5 million each and then sign an additional player at $3 million or less with their mid-level exception. The Knicks will likely be in the market for a seasoned veteran point guard. The ruling is one step toward creating enough space to go after a player such as Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, Andre Miller or Raymond Felton.

The Knicks could also retain J.R. Smith if he accepts his player option of around $2.5 million. He has until June 26 to decide if he wants to opt in or out. He can opt out of his player option and then re-sign at 120 percent of his previous year's salary using a non-Bird exception.

Beyond that, the Knicks will only have veteran's minimum contracts of $1.4 million to spend to fill out the rest of their roster.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2012, 04:40:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv2jqFd2-qI

THANK YOU
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 22, 2012, 04:40:54 PM
Nash in NY  :o
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: DCharlieJP on June 22, 2012, 05:14:58 PM
Quote
THANK YOU

man i don't pop in here often but that video is brilliant - this sort of horseshit goes down in a whole manner of sports and it IS the same sort of shite the whole time : "they wanted it more" "he didn't have the heart for it" "he lost his stomach" etc etc. Good to see someone absolutely shat all over this sort of nonsense.

I have no idea what Skip's credentials are but in other sports you get a lack of understanding about certain aspects of the game as to -why- , say, Beckham didn't just score everytime he got the ball from 40 yards.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 22, 2012, 05:15:35 PM
Awesome stuff from Cuban.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 22, 2012, 05:18:24 PM
Cormacaroni is really Mark Cuban?  :o
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2012, 05:27:55 PM
Cuban utterly destroyed him. No Skip, LeBron didn't stand on the perimeter against Dallas because he "didn't want it bad enough." He did that because the Heat's offense was quite iso based at the time (like OKC's this year), but more importantly because Dallas ran an impressive zone defense and had Tyson Chandler in the paint.

But that's not an interesting sound byte, nor does it get you trending on twitter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: etiolate on June 22, 2012, 05:38:42 PM
"Why do you play a zone Skip?"

:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2012, 05:52:38 PM
Put that on a t-shirt and I'll buy it
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 22, 2012, 06:23:34 PM
Skip Bayless been getting shat on left and right the past few weeks. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 22, 2012, 06:30:26 PM
heh, Cuban

I don't really have any awareness about Bayless other than the odd clip that Stoney or someone will post here for the lulz, but it does seem like he plays off and feeds the popular perceptions of LeBron to a shocking degree, beyond what any professional observer of an actual game could justify.

There has been some brilliant writing about the finals over the last 24hrs, and a lot of absolute bilge along the lines of 'LeBron finally won because he BECAME A BETTER PERSON, LIKE WE TOLD HIM or because HE FINALLY STOPPED BEING LAZY AND PLAYED PROPERLY, LIKE WE TOLD HIM :yuck

People really seem to need to validate this win, by a person they have never met and have zero influence over, by convincing themselves retroactively that they played some part in it. Whereas in reality of course, it was a gradual process of improvement over 29 years that got LeBron to the point that he could lead a good (not amazing) team to a championship.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2012, 06:39:49 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on June 22, 2012, 06:23:34 PM
Skip Bayless been getting shat on left and right the past few weeks. :lol

I can't wait until Sanchez goes down with an injury and Tebow comes in/gets destroyed. NY media doesn't fuck around, should be glorious

Skip is gonna have a bad 2012  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 22, 2012, 07:26:34 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 22, 2012, 06:30:26 PM
heh, Cuban

I don't really have any awareness about Bayless other than the odd clip that Stoney or someone will post here for the lulz, but it does seem like he plays off and feeds the popular perceptions of LeBron to a shocking degree, beyond what any professional observer of an actual game could justify.

There has been some brilliant writing about the finals over the last 24hrs, and a lot of absolute bilge along the lines of 'LeBron finally won because he BECAME A BETTER PERSON, LIKE WE TOLD HIM or because HE FINALLY STOPPED BEING LAZY AND PLAYED PROPERLY, LIKE WE TOLD HIM :yuck

People really seem to need to validate this win, by a person they have never met and have zero influence over, by convincing themselves retroactively that they played some part in it. Whereas in reality of course, it was a gradual process of improvement over 29 years that got LeBron to the point that he could lead a good (not amazing) team to a championship.

Cuban nails it in that Bayless is just a symptom of our shitty culture and the over simplified way things are presented and discussed for discourse. He's like Bill O'Reilly. Half Show and Half Stupid. I wasn't aware of Bayless until about 5 years ago when my father had a stroke and I had to take care of him for about 6 months. I suddenly was up and home at a time I'm normally not and started watching TV early in the morning that I never did before. So I came across a show called Cold Pizza where he held court and pontificated and said the stupidest shit I'd ever heard on a daily basis. 5 years later he's bigger than ever and still saying the dumbest shit ever.

I very rarely bring him up in threads anymore because I turned over a new leaf in that I feel the dumbest 30% shouldn't drive conversation for the other 70%.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 22, 2012, 08:02:14 PM
That's the problem with entertainment aimed at the lowest common denominator, which sports undeniably is. You get a lot of really, intensely, devotedly stupid people commenting on it.

What bugs me about Bayless in that clip is how ANGRY and dogmatic his tone is. He's just trying to force an emotional rather than a rational response from Cuban (who he knows is capable of going off and boosting his ratings). Good job on Cuban for exposing his basic ignorance of what actually happens on the court though. Everyone can recognize when athletes are playing hard on defense, but not so many can tell when they are playing sophisticated defense like the Mavs did last year.

I had a great back-and-forth with a buddy last night about Westbrook / Durant. I think I ended up convincing him that Durant is the one who needs to pass more, not Westbrook, but maybe not (LeBron had more assists in game 5 than Durant had during the whole series, I think - THAT is the weakness he can shore up fastest, 'cause he is already demonstrating decent skill there).

(In the same conversation, he also gave me the best straight line i've had in YEARS...I mentioned that my wife was playing piano. He (a black dude) told me to ask her if she knew 'ni@@az in Paris'. I told him she said 'no, but I know ni@@az in Tokyo')
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2012, 08:06:17 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 22, 2012, 08:02:14 PM
That's the problem with entertainment aimed at the lowest common denominator, which sports undeniably is. You get a lot of really, intensely, devotedly stupid people commenting on it.

What bugs me about Bayless in that clip is how ANGRY and dogmatic his tone is. He's just trying to force an emotional rather than a rational response from Cuban (who he knows is capable of going off and boosting his ratings). Good job on Cuban for exposing his basic ignorance of what actually happens on the court though. Everyone can recognize when athletes are playing hard on defense, but not so many can tell when they are playing sophisticated defense like the Mavs did last year.

I had a great back-and-forth with a buddy last night about Westbrook / Durant. I think I ended up convincing him that Durant is the one who needs to pass more, not Westbrook, but maybe not (LeBron had more assists in game 5 than Durant had during the whole series, I think - THAT is the weakness he can shore up fastest, 'cause he is already demonstrating decent skill there).

(In the same conversation, he also gave me the best straight line i've had in YEARS...I mentioned that my wife was playing piano. He (a black dude) told me to ask her if she knew 'ni@@az in Paris'. I told him she said 'no, but I know ni@@az in Tokyo')
:rofl

Hold on, what type of person responds to news of another person's piano prowess by asking if they can play a rap song. I love hip hop but that's like asking a chef if she can make grilled cheese sandwiches
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 22, 2012, 09:04:06 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2012, 06:39:49 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on June 22, 2012, 06:23:34 PM
Skip Bayless been getting shat on left and right the past few weeks. :lol

I can't wait until Sanchez goes down with an injury and Tebow comes in/gets destroyed. NY media doesn't fuck around, should be glorious

Skip is gonna have a bad 2012  :lol

:-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2012, 09:26:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ctn6GgooNI
 :lol

(http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/126331_o.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: etiolate on June 22, 2012, 09:41:22 PM
It should be added that Stephen A Smith remaining quiet through that whole thing is the smartest moment in Stephen A Smith's broadcast career.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 22, 2012, 09:48:07 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2012, 09:26:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ctn6GgooNI
 :lol

(http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/126331_o.gif)

:lol

nunion rings :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 22, 2012, 10:06:29 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2012, 04:40:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv2jqFd2-qI

THANK YOU

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cuban just wanted it more than skip

wizprince 21 minutes ago 67

:rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: pilonv1 on June 22, 2012, 11:01:53 PM
ALL HAIL BASED LEBATARD :bow

loved him calling out Simmons.

I'm loving the media being called out. Great stuff.

Skip was just fucking lost against Cuban. Great stuff.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Mandark on June 22, 2012, 11:48:14 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2012, 08:06:17 PM
Hold on, what type of person responds to news of another person's piano prowess by asking if they can play a rap song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aofoBrFNdg
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: benjipwns on June 23, 2012, 12:46:45 AM
Quote from: DCharlieJP on June 22, 2012, 05:14:58 PM
I have no idea what Skip's credentials are
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/jalen-rose-calls-skip-bayless-air-trumped-high-214530179.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 23, 2012, 12:52:44 AM
Quote from: etiolate on June 22, 2012, 09:41:22 PM
It should be added that Stephen A Smith remaining quiet through that whole thing is the smartest moment in Stephen A Smith's broadcast career.

This is probably the smartest moment in your internet forum career.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: benjipwns on June 23, 2012, 01:17:47 AM
Cuban also argued with Stephen A. Smith in the same segment (around 26 minutes) where Smith pulled the Odom card and then tried to argue ESPN analysts need 24/7 access to players and coaches in order to know how teams win because it's impossible to watch and understand games or something or other:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXL9SyIZkDI
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: etiolate on June 23, 2012, 01:40:45 AM
Lebron's "suffering" wtf

The idea of players wanting it more is part of the American fantasy that the everyone who succeeds simply wanted it more, deserved it more, worked harder, etc., and there were not random or external factors.

As for not knowing the X&O side of things, I don't think you need special access. If you aren't hiring people to break down plays then that's more a statement on what your company values. Unless SAS really thinks fans need him to tell them who won and loss when they have a boxscore in front of their face.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 23, 2012, 02:02:02 AM
There is also the flipside of that American fantasy - that everyone who fails does so because of some external conspiracy, never that it was their own failing :teehee
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 23, 2012, 02:04:31 AM
Liked this - the simplest statistical reason why the Heat won was that they hit their 3s thanks to nice assisting from LeBron, and the Thunder didn't.

http://www.spreadsheet-sports.com/why-the-miami-heat-nba-champions/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Mandark on June 23, 2012, 02:52:30 AM
I'd love for ESPN (or NBC Sports, or Comcast, or anyone) to have a show similar to NFL Matchup, where Ron Jaworski gets to break down film in depth.  Even that is aired at 3AM, though (and rerun at 7:30AM, but still).

So, how many years can the Thunder go without a title before people start turning on Durant?  Right now he's young enough that he's still in the honeymoon phase, and Westbrook attracts all the criticism.  But say three years from now they lose one more finals and two WCF's.  At that point people are gonna start complaining that Durant's a ball hog who doesn't make his teammates better, doesn't play defense, puts up big stats without winning, doesn't have a post game, relies on the refs, is soft, and can't lead his team to a championship.

Anyways, the Heat winning was obviously orchestrated by David Stern to divert attention away from the Wizards-Horents trade.  Cause WAT
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 23, 2012, 03:32:14 AM
Durant seems dedicated enough to realize he needs to put in some work. His offense game is solid, it's time to get some muscle and work on the defensive side of the ball. And given how many shooters he's surrounded by, it wouldn't be hard to put up some decent assist numbers if he wanted to.

I could see him being labeled soft, but I don't see people "turning" on him unless he starts demanding trades and not playing hard. Nothing he's done thus far suggests he'd do that though.

Plus I bet his mom is gonna tell him to go to the gym and he'll listen lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Mandark on June 23, 2012, 04:14:30 AM
The point isn't that those criticisms will necessarily be valid, but that when a star player doesn't win a championship after several years in the NBA, people start trying to find faults in his game and character in order to explain it.  Every player has relative strengths and weaknesses, but fans and pundits will focus way more on the negatives if there's no championship backing it up.  Look at Dirk: he improved, changed his game, remained loyal to his team, and wasn't given any benefit of the doubt until he finally got a ring.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 23, 2012, 04:34:28 AM
(I still can't stand Dirk)

Ah I see. Dirk suffered from a host of bad playoff performances when it counted, which led to the valid creation of a narrative. Durant played very well in the playoffs and finals and is too talented not to continue. I think think he'll face some criticisms, mainly in terms of softness, but I'd also argue him being a no-controversy hard working dude will save him from being put to the fire as much as say...Tracey McGrady, Dwight Howard, etc.

Another reason you're right: now that LeBron has his ring, it's more likely he'll become a standard for ring-less stars like Durant and Rose to be compared to - as opposed to the previous "why doesn't LeBron have as much heart as Rose/Durant" hand wringing. If Durant continues to just score 30 points a game and not much else, he'll be marginalized. I got the impression a lot of the sports media personality types were craving to crown Durant during the playoffs, use him to attack LeBron, etc; perhaps it was just the formation of a "hero v villain" narrative. Now LeBron will be the measuring stick for Durant's progression.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Mandark on June 23, 2012, 04:44:32 AM
Yep, and the catch-22 for ringless stars is that every non-title accomplishment gets twisted into evidence of their shortcomings.  After all, if a guy can win multiple scoring titles and individual awards, doesn't that mean his flaws must be that much deeper in order to prevent him from winning?

I do hope the Thunder get one soon, though, and that Westbrook goes for like 40-10-15 in the clinching game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 23, 2012, 04:51:22 AM
It would be amazing if Durant disappeared from the face of the earth all summer, no one knew where he was...then he shows up to training camp in perfect shape, 30 pounds heavier with Harden's beard, 3% body fat, and a written note declaring he has taken a vow of silence until he wins an NBA championship.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: pilonv1 on June 23, 2012, 08:38:57 AM
It's amazing but I think that LeBatard rant turned me on the Heat.

Quote from: benjipwns on June 23, 2012, 01:17:47 AM
Cuban also argued with Stephen A. Smith in the same segment (around 26 minutes) where Smith pulled the Odom card and then tried to argue ESPN analysts need 24/7 access to players and coaches in order to know how teams win because it's impossible to watch and understand games or something or other:

The problem is ESPN hired a bunch of idiots (including former players) who have no idea how to dissect a game and/or express without a bunch of lame cliches and generalities. "Player X must player harder, he hasn't been aggressive and I don't know if he has the desire to win a ring." Or they talk those stupid made up stats like "Jeremy Lin was the only player to record 8 turnovers, 27 points, 9 asissts and 2 rebounds since Michael Jordan in 1989" like it means anything.

I can't watch anything on that channel anymore outside of PTI, which I only watch because I like the interaction between Kornhesier and Wilbon since their analysis is 4th grade stuff compared to the 3rd grade stuff elsewhere on the network. There's a few guys who aren't complete morons like Andy Katz, and Jay Bilas can be good if he's not trying to be the centre of attention while calling games.

Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 23, 2012, 02:04:31 AM
Liked this - the simplest statistical reason why the Heat won was that they hit their 3s thanks to nice assisting from LeBron, and the Thunder didn't.

http://www.spreadsheet-sports.com/why-the-miami-heat-nba-champions/

That's the big difference I think this year from last year. I don't necessarily think LeBron last year was always passing to guys who would get a good shot, but just passing out because he didn't have a shot. Which is another sign of how good Dallas' changing defense was as Cuban mentioned. Some of it was Miller & Battier got hot in the finals but most people would knock down those open shots.

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 23, 2012, 04:51:22 AM
It would be amazing if Durant disappeared from the face of the earth all summer, no one knew where he was...then he shows up to training camp in perfect shape, 30 pounds heavier with Harden's beard, 3% body fat, and a written note declaring he has taken a vow of silence until he wins an NBA championship.

Ultimately I think Durant ends up with more rings than LeBron. But only if they get a real coach (hi Phil!) or move Westbrook. Can you imagine a true point guard like Chris Paul playing with Durant and being able to get him open regularly? It's a scary though, he could average 35+ with ease with some smarter team mates and a decent professional coach.

I also wonder how many seasons LeBron's body will hold up with such a reckless style, and once he loses his athleticism he's going to have to adapt his game. And for someone who won a title shooting 24% from outside 3ft that could be difficult.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: benjipwns on June 23, 2012, 09:14:04 AM
Quote from: pilonv1 on June 23, 2012, 08:38:57 AM
The problem is ESPN hired a bunch of idiots (including former players) who have no idea how to dissect a game and/or express without a bunch of lame cliches and generalities. "Player X must player harder, he hasn't been aggressive and I don't know if he has the desire to win a ring." Or they talk those stupid made up stats like "Jeremy Lin was the only player to record 8 turnovers, 27 points, 9 asissts and 2 rebounds since Michael Jordan in 1989" like it means anything.
It's an institutional rot common across most media. Look at at how politics is covered, it's really the same stuff, "how did this speech that's forgotten in 24 hours change the entire game?!?!?!?" Or science. Or videah games. Or well, anything.

There's not a market for what Cuban wants on mass cable, sports radio or in what the sportswriters produce. If you want that, you've already been reading it on the internet. Any of the stats guys, TrueHoop, Coach Nick, etc. And as Smith implied you can't really do any sort of analysis in a one or two minute shout off.

The guys who actually still do the gum shoe reporting, even if their analysis is terrible like Ric Bucher or Marc Stein get more leeway because they at least do the former. Even if by "gum shoe reporting" it's someone in a front office they know sending them a text.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: pilonv1 on June 23, 2012, 09:37:24 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 23, 2012, 09:14:04 AM
There's not a market for what Cuban wants on mass cable, sports radio or in what the sportswriters produce.


The sad thing is, what Cuban was saying wasn't even that in depth, and it's something that any basketball fan would notice. More proof that ESPN isn't for people who like sports. It's for people who want to sound like they know sports. Simmons is the poster child for that generation.

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The guys who actually still do the gum shoe reporting, even if their analysis is terrible like Ric Bucher or Marc Stein get more leeway because they at least do the former. Even if by "gum shoe reporting" it's someone in a front office they know sending them a text.

Bucher is a bit of an idiot at times (would take Worstbrook over Durant). But even as you said if they're doing as little as reading a text they're infinitely more qualified than the Skips or SAS's of the world.

There's so many better people covering the league like Ken Berger that it's easier than ever to completely put ESPN out of your media rotation.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: benjipwns on June 23, 2012, 09:51:23 AM
Yeah, there are good reporters out there, mostly local because that's their beat. One good thing about the internet explosion and hoopshype, etc. is this aggregation of them.

Bucher is terrible for writing, his whole sources deal about how he never disagrees with them and arguing with people in chats about his sources say Rose is the best player in the league and he trusts them, blah blah blah. But he does solid reporting on trades and stuff.

The problem is ESPN is blending all this shit together because the opinion shouting is what drives a lot of it. So rather than utilize people in a capacity they may be good at they're all shoutfesters. TNT lets Charles and Kenny talk about the game, and for fun has them commentate and stuff, but their primary role is to talk about the game from their perspective. Craig Sager and co. do the "standard" journalism stuff. TNT even lets Charles and Kenny go on at length about things, even if Jalen Rose or Tim Legler has something worthwhile to say, they're getting thirty seconds before we jump to the next guy.

Cuban gets to what I've impotently whined about for a long time. The manufactured narrative that modern media has to force onto all events on earth to justify THEIR existence, since they are the only ones qualified to tell you what the "proper narrative" is.

And I still don't get why Michael Wilbon has any career at all. At least Tony Kornheiser has his unserious schtick. (And writes well.)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: benjipwns on June 23, 2012, 09:58:07 AM
I almost think this segment with Cuban justifies his entire career retrospectively.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 23, 2012, 10:03:08 AM
It's not that I don't think non-serious sports talk has any place. It's always going to be the driving force behind sports talk because the average fan of any sport doesn't have the understanding or interest to understand the complexities of any sport. Same goes with regular news. It's that nobody until fairly recently has been around to call these guys out when they blatantly say insane and stupid shit. There is no real sort of daily show or colbert report of sports news to point out how absurd it all is although the serious analytical sports guys are starting to do that on their own which is nice. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat win the title. Haters crushed. Good job Good effort)
Post by: benjipwns on June 23, 2012, 10:11:32 AM
One aspect to that may be the relatively recent development of the explosion of sports media. ESPN didn't really take off and become a monster until the 1990's. You had a long ingrained system where you had some guy trained in broadcasting plus either an old coach or player. And you maybe got a few comments before, at half-time and at the end of the game.

Now it's 24/7. The internet has so many people writing so many things. Something like Fire Joe Morgan or Hollinger isn't even unique these days, there are tons of people writing so much coverage on sports. The TrueHoop Network on ESPN probably produces tons more analysis and coverage of the teams than the "official" NBA analysts do.

I think a Daily Show type show for sports media would be pretty funny, I like the Onion parody, but it's hard to beat the real stuff when you do that type of thing. You don't even need it for critiquing their underwhelming "narratives" you could probably fill half a show from "experts" reversing their positions from game to game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cuban wins the title. Bayless crushed. Good Job Good effort)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 23, 2012, 10:52:40 AM
That's why I mainly just like to listen to the local ESPN stuff on the radio, like the Ben and Skin Show and Galloway and Company. Most of the national shows really don't interest me a whole lot [especially The Herd].
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cuban wins the title. Bayless crushed. Good Job Good effort)
Post by: benjipwns on June 23, 2012, 11:06:54 AM
It is interesting (probably not really) that we were basically stuck to local sports for so long and then we kinda centralized for a while, now people are realizing that there is a good chunk that doesn't want to only hear about just the Knicks, Celtics, Lakers, Bulls, and Heat, so the internet and such is letting people get back more to local/team coverage. Replicate for all other sports including college.

I'm remembering an old ESPN ad back for when I think ESPN News or whatever the 24/7 Headline News like channel was just starting. Old guy talking about how he got three minutes for sports while the weather guy got five minutes to tell you it rained today and for ESPN to go fuck themselves.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cuban wins the title. Bayless crushed. Good Job Good effort)
Post by: etiolate on June 23, 2012, 11:55:09 PM
Well now that the draft is coming, we can get back to all the thick shit the Maloofs have gotten themselves into, dragging a team and a city along with them.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/13/in-depth-stern-fires-shot-across-the-bow-at-the-maloofs-who-continue-to-threaten-the-nbas-billion-dollar-arena-subsidy/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

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A meticulous planner, everything David Stern says is run through a filter of lawyerly instinct and an ever-present awareness of his surroundings.

So when David Aldridge asked him if the NBA would support the Maloofs in their desire to move the Sacramento Kings to Anaheim on Tuesday – don’t think for a second that he hadn’t weighed the legal gravity of the situation or the wishes of his 29 other bosses.

“If there was a vote now, there would be no support for a move,” Stern said.

Stern then went on to poke at the Maloofs for their current plan, which includes staying in the nearly dilapidated Power Balance Pavilion for at least one more season, despite the family threatening to leave town for years because the building is dilapidated.

“That’s their prerogative. As long as it (Power Balance) stands and passes the fire code, I think it’s been a terrific place for the fans of Sacramento,” said Stern in his typical dry wit.

This is the most recent play on the NBA’s relocation chess board, and with the Maloofs overtly implying an antitrust lawsuit against the league for well over a year now, it’s a telling one.

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In the case of the Maloofs’ attempted move to Anaheim, sources with knowledge of the situation have reported that a relocation fee would be upwards of $300 million.

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It has been theorized that this relocation fee was communicated at some point to the Maloofs, who expected to leverage (or take) Anaheim’s offer despite being near the finish line with Sacramento. In that theory, once the Maloofs realized a move to Anaheim was not in the cards they decided to officially muck up a Sacramento deal that reflected their meager contributions, while testing their leverage with antitrust threats.

Regardless of the Maloofs’ intentions, cities that negotiate with the NBA and team owners over arena subsidies will now point to the family’s apparent bad faith dealings. Now, the league will have to explain to its civic partners how and why they should expend political capital and public funds if owners are going to use the scorched earth strategy when they don’t get what they want.

Sacramento spent significant sums of money and staff time in the arena negotiations process during a budgetary crisis only to find they were spinning their wheels – all while offering to pay for 65 percent of the arena’s costs – and the NBA is going to have to wear that issue unless they make it right by keeping a team there under a workable plan.

It's a long article, but its full of the history of the Maloof dealings and then goes into the Seattle situation, connecting a potential buyer of the team from there. The writer forgets that Burkle is also another potential buyer with big money, but the bottom line might be who is willing to overpay for the team so the Maloofs will give it up and get out of debt.

I really don't know what the Maloof endgame is at this point. Last draft, they traded picks in an effort to pay less for Jimmer, and drafted Jimmer with the hope of his status increasing their revenue. It was a poor basketball trade, but a possibly successful marketing move. Being that they're even more desperate now, I'm worried as to what hijinx they'll push through this draft.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cuban wins the title. Bayless crushed. Good Job Good effort)
Post by: Rman on June 24, 2012, 10:55:32 AM
I don't get the Skip Bayless pile on.  He's an entertainer, not a journalist.  His show is not where you go for in depth analysis and it's been like for 8 years since the Cold Pizza days. 

I find FT entertaining and if I want great analysis I watch the stuff on NBA.tv, or the dedicated hoops shows on ESPN.  But this is a sport talk show, and sports radio, which is the influence of this show, has always been about exaggeration, narratives, and pomp. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cuban wins the title. Bayless crushed. Good Job Good effort)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 24, 2012, 11:10:59 AM
To each his own but I don't find a guy talking horseshit to be entertaining whatever the venue is. Especially when those narratives crossover to the regular news reporting. Not to mention they are the ones who invited Cuban on. And then Cuban proceeds to destroy him. Bayless defense wasn't that it's all horeshit and he's an entertainer. It was that he knows what he's talking about. Which Cuban then proceeded to show that he doesn't. So if he wants to play the card of he's just talking shit. Then don't bring on someone who is going to call him on it. Which has now happened a few times over the last months. Just like you find him entertaining, I found someone calling him full of shit very entertaining.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cuban wins the title. Bayless crushed. Good Job Good effort)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 24, 2012, 01:14:40 PM
Skip considers himself a sports journalist though, whatever that means. He's certainly entertaining but is more often than not infuriating. You can tell he tries to appeal to specific groups of people, and therefore makes arguments so ridiculous you have you believe he doesn't truly believe them himself. Like the Tebow shit: to me, that's him parroting bullshit for attention. He knows there's a huge pro-Tebow camp, just as there is a huge anti-LeBron camp.

Ultimately it comes down to exposure and twitter trends.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cuban wins the title. Bayless crushed. Good Job Good effort)
Post by: etiolate on June 24, 2012, 04:26:54 PM
The issue is that ESPN guys try to pass off their entertainment as serious talk. The TNT crew doesn't do a lot of breakdowns either. (Yes, I know sometimes Kenny Smith will.) The difference is that the TNT crew knows its there for entertainment. The atmosphere is laid back and they'll wander off into something just for laughs.

ESPN is full of guys like Jon Barry, who sit there straight faced and earnest before the camera, saying nothing of insight. They just all push the narrative. Maybe its for reaction, but its not all that entertaining in the package they present it in.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cuban wins the title. Bayless crushed. Good Job Good effort)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 24, 2012, 07:57:41 PM
Well, at the end of the day, it is just sports. It's not foreign policy or the war on drugs these guys are 'debating'. It doesn't really matter unless you happen to be one of the people they are so casually defaming, which of course I am not and never will be.

On the other hand, I don't find it in the least enjoyable. It's staged and fake. I can't stand wrestling for the same reason, even though I'm fairly keen on combat sports/martial arts. Give me a REAL fight and I might be interested, not this scripted button-pushing nonsense. Their dialog is the equivalent of watching bantamweights swing sunday punch haymaker after sunday punch haymaker, except nothing ever lands or ends the fight. And of course the personalities chosen for this stuff are practically genetically-bred for obnoxiousness.

This Cuban thing is the sports equivalent of Jon Stewart's appearance on Crossfire, I guess. He was invited on, and proceeded to destroy not just the hosts' arguments, but also the entire raison d'etre for the show. Ironically, Stewart pulled the 'I'm only a comedian, I don't know what the hell i'm talking about' Court Jester card afterward, like Bayless is doing now...

No game today :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cuban wins the title. Bayless crushed. Good Job Good effort)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 24, 2012, 08:05:26 PM
If I had to bet, I'd say Deron Williams opts for Dallas now. He's saying it's down to either the Mavs or the Nets, but it seems unlikely that he is just trying for leverage here. He knows he's getting a max deal from the Nets if he stays. Combined with the talk about winning now and not wanting to rebuild, it seems fairly clear that Dallas is the way to go. The Mavs have been managed so much better than the Nets in recent years that no-one could say they liked the Nets chances of successfully rebuilding with a straight face. And given how badly they sucked last year, there can be no fantasies about them getting better by resigning Wallace or Brooke Lopez returning from injury.

Of course, that is predicated on him telling the truth, and who does that in job/salary negotiations.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cuban wins the title. Bayless crushed. Good Job Good effort)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 24, 2012, 08:14:02 PM
Too bad OKC can't just trade Westbrook for Williams  :-*
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cuban wins the title. Bayless crushed. Good Job Good effort)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 24, 2012, 08:18:22 PM
oh you
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cuban wins the title. Bayless crushed. Good Job Good effort)
Post by: pilonv1 on June 25, 2012, 01:56:47 AM
Mavs could do a sign + trade to clear up more room too. Nets have the cap room, but I doubt they take Marion or Haywood.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cuban wins the title. Bayless crushed. Good Job Good effort)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 25, 2012, 01:30:00 PM
In non-Heat basketball news:

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NBA star Tony Parker may miss the London Olympics after almost losing his eye in a fight involving singer Chris Brown and members of hip-hop star Drake's entourage.

http://espn.go.com/olympics/summer/2012/basketball/story/_/id/8093141/tony-parker-miss-olympics-due-eye-injury (http://espn.go.com/olympics/summer/2012/basketball/story/_/id/8093141/tony-parker-miss-olympics-due-eye-injury)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cuban wins the title. Bayless crushed. Good Job Good effort)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 25, 2012, 01:37:18 PM
Skip's only job now is to annoy Steven A. When Skip talks, Steven is looking up at the sky.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cuban wins the title. Bayless crushed. Good Job Good effort)
Post by: Mandark on June 25, 2012, 01:47:24 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 25, 2012, 01:30:00 PM
In non-Heat basketball news:

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NBA star Tony Parker may miss the London Olympics after almost losing his eye in a fight involving singer Chris Brown and members of hip-hop star Drake's entourage.

http://espn.go.com/olympics/summer/2012/basketball/story/_/id/8093141/tony-parker-miss-olympics-due-eye-injury (http://espn.go.com/olympics/summer/2012/basketball/story/_/id/8093141/tony-parker-miss-olympics-due-eye-injury)

That whole story seems more like a product of Mad Libs than a real event.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cuban wins the title. Bayless crushed. Good Job Good effort)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2012, 01:47:58 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 25, 2012, 01:30:00 PM
In non-Heat basketball news:

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NBA star Tony Parker may miss the London Olympics after almost losing his eye in a fight involving singer Chris Brown and members of hip-hop star Drake's entourage.

http://espn.go.com/olympics/summer/2012/basketball/story/_/id/8093141/tony-parker-miss-olympics-due-eye-injury (http://espn.go.com/olympics/summer/2012/basketball/story/_/id/8093141/tony-parker-miss-olympics-due-eye-injury)

I've never had respect for Drake, but it's now in negative territory. SMH @ throwing bottles then hiding in the bathroom while your bodyguards protect you
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 25, 2012, 09:43:03 PM
Heat fan 4 life

Let's go, Heat!


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Title: Re: The NBA thread (July1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 25, 2012, 10:01:23 PM
Were they having a sale at Bandwagons R' Us?  ::)

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (July1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2012, 10:40:08 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on June 25, 2012, 09:43:03 PM
Heat fan 4 life

Let's go, Heat!


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Wearing jerseys in 2012 isn't kosher breh, unless you're going to a game. Maybe, just maybe, if you're going to a sports bar
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2012, 11:14:03 PM
Sullinger not invited to the draft, not expected to be top 15 pick
http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2012/story/_/id/8094012/2012-nba-draft-former-ohio-state-buckeyes-star-jared-sullinger-not-invited-draft

Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: etiolate on June 26, 2012, 08:09:27 PM
edit: NM Answered it myself

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@chadfordinsider Bobcats send Corey Maggette to Pistons for Ben Gordon and a 2013 protected first-rounder.

Congrats PD  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 26, 2012, 08:31:27 PM
Bobcats taking on a ridiculously bad contract there, so much for new sensible management.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: etiolate on June 26, 2012, 08:34:38 PM
I think Gordon's contract is only one year longer than Maggette's?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 26, 2012, 09:35:22 PM
another 2 years, 26 million for a one-dimensional undersized shooter that's basically toast? On a team that has the tiniest back court in the league (or one of...)? :yuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: pilonv1 on June 26, 2012, 09:42:23 PM
They get a free draft pick from Detroit. Maggette is a cancer. Good trade for the Cats.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Mandark on June 26, 2012, 11:35:17 PM
Well, Bobcats have barely any committed salary for the '13-14 season, and they'll have to get up to the minimum, which will be ~$50 million.  They don't need to save that room to re-sign their upcoming free agents, who suck.  So the best plan probably involves taking on bad contracts from other teams looking to free up cap space/avoid the luxury tax, and getting paid in draft picks and lower tier prospects.  They can probably afford a few of those deals while still keeping cap space for the 2013 offseason in case there's a free agent they want to target.

All that said, $14 million is a really steep price for a draft pick, and will look worse if the Pistons become a marginal playoff team in a couple years and leave the Bobcats with a pick in the teens.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 26, 2012, 11:45:22 PM
It's a protected pick too, so yeah :yuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: pilonv1 on June 26, 2012, 11:52:02 PM
But your boyfriend Hollinger likes it, for the same reasons I suggested on GAF, they're not near the salary floor and no one would sign there anyway :smug

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Let me make this real simple for you: The Bobcats just purchased a first-round draft pick with money they had to spend anyway.

The headlines will say that Ben Gordon was traded for Corey Maggette, but pay no mind; they're just contracts in this deal. They're not bad players necessarily, but they're roughly equivalent talents with oversized contracts on teams going nowhere.

The real action is comes through the draft pick and the money changing hands. Charlotte now has a potential lottery pick in 2014 or 2015, and the cost is the difference in salary (about $14 million). Normally that would be an excessive price to pay, but these aren't normal times. The Bobcats may not hit the league's salary floor in 2013-14, let alone the cap, so the $13.2 million that Gordon adds to their payroll in that season doesn't stand to hurt them much since they needed to add a bunch of salary anyway. In that sense, they really paid far less than $14 million for the draft pick.

From Detroit's perspective, this deal was a no-brainer. The Pistons dump $13.2 million from their 2013-14 payroll, since Maggette's contract expires in 2012-13, retain their amnesty clause to use on Charlie Villanueva (instead of maybe Gordon), and now stand to be as much as $20 million under the cap that summer, depending on what moves they make between now and then.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 26, 2012, 11:56:39 PM
Are you suggesting that I read GAF :yuck

OK, that's a fair point about them needing to reach the league minimum. Hard to believe there isn't better talent than Ben Gordon they could be trading for though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: pilonv1 on June 27, 2012, 12:01:04 AM
No, suggesting that I wrote it elsewhere before Hollinger so I sound smarter. It was the same reason I didn't care about how much the Warriors paid Kwame.

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Hard to believe there isn't better talent than Ben Gordon they could be trading for though.

Probably, but not one that would give them what could be an unprotected draft pick in 4 years. And I'd argue that getting anything for sending Maggette out is a win
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 27, 2012, 12:22:45 AM
Quote from: etiolate on June 26, 2012, 08:09:27 PM
edit: NM Answered it myself

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@chadfordinsider Bobcats send Corey Maggette to Pistons for Ben Gordon and a 2013 protected first-rounder.

Congrats PD  :lol

Why does Joe Dumars have a job?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 27, 2012, 12:27:18 AM
So, the Hawks gave Danny Ferry the reins of the team.  I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop, like maybe he'll be found with a bunch of dead Guatemalan rent boys in his hotel room tomorrow or something.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 27, 2012, 02:57:57 AM
Calipari says Rose is preparing like crazy and is more motivated than ever

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cPer3WGtsU

cheating mother fucker

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 27, 2012, 03:22:23 AM
Hollinger's take on that trade is pretty interesting and shows yet again how utterly insane the cap/CBA is - the actual on-court production of the players involved, despite being paid a collective $40 million or so for the remainder of their contracts, is basically irrelevant...it's all about moving around cash and picks and cap space and minimum salary. Please remind me to never ever judge a trade based on the headline players involved again :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: etiolate on June 27, 2012, 03:22:44 AM
MKG is not dropping past the top 5. The Kings aren't stupid enough to let him get past them. He's a near-perfect fit for the team. The only reason he's not going #2 is because all the top four teams need scoring and MKG is raw and very awkward with the ball. I'd still take him over Robinson even if my team lacked offense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 27, 2012, 10:33:33 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8101542/indiana-pacers-part-ways-larry-bird-introduce-donnie-walsh-new-president

Surprising. I wonder what the rel story here is.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 28, 2012, 01:45:00 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEyxt3jeejs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2012, 11:52:59 AM
Adrian Wojnarowski:
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Spurs are shopping forward DeJuan Blair, league sources tell Y! Spurs have Euro picks they could bring over next season, need roster space.

Boston is aggressively working to move up into the late lottery, if not higher, league sources tell Y!. Celtics own No. 21 and 22 picks
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: DJ_Tet on June 28, 2012, 12:44:31 PM
Hoping the Bobcats can swing the trade with Cleveland down to 4, pick up the 24 and and still get MKG.

edit:  lmao if Boston trades up for Austin Rivers. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 28, 2012, 12:44:45 PM
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Mandark on June 28, 2012, 12:58:04 PM
Talk of Washington drafting Beal because they need a 2 guard and outside shooting.

Now I don't watch college ball, so I don't have an informed opinion on Beal (apparently the highest rated shooting guard with a reputation as a dead-eye shooter, but who didn't do great on 3-pointers in his one college year).  But I hate the idea of the Wizards drafting by need rather than talent, after having the 3rd worst record in the league.

They don't need shooters, they need players.  When the team gets decent then you can start worrying about how the pieces fit.  For God's sake don't pass up on a top prospect because hey, we've already got Trevor Ariza at that spot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: DJ_Tet on June 28, 2012, 01:15:38 PM
As for the Bobcats trade I loved it so of course Cormac hated it  :lol

First off, Bobcats have cap space to burn cause no big time FA is going to sign here in the near future.  Second, Gordons contract comes off the same time as Matt Carroll and Diop, so we'll have a huge chunk in 2 years.

edit-  actually this is the last year for Carroll and Diop, but only one more year for Gordon who becomes valuable as an expiring contract

As for players, he's younger than Maggette and as a combo guard may be able to teach Kemba a few tricks.  Plus he's a good 3rd guard to pair with Henderson, although yes it's a tiny backcourt.  Maggette played less than half the games for us last year, and while I loved his effort, he was expendable especially if he brings us another 1st round pick.  Expecting Gordon to go back to his Bulls days may be a stretch but he should get all the shots he wants on our second team, so it's not unreasonable to think he might lead the team in scoring off the bench.

As for the pick, it's lottery protected this year which is fine by me.  The Pistons could sneak into the playoffs I suppose, and if Portland barely misses the playoffs and Charlotte is terrible again they will end up with 3 top 15-16 picks next year, two in the top 10.  If the Pistons do not make the playoffs, it's top 8 protected the year after, and top 3 protected the year after that, and top 1 and then unprotected.

I'm hoping the Pistons miss the playoffs obviously and we can delay that pick till it's a little higher.

Essentially we turned an aging Stephen Jackson into Ben Gordon, Bismack Biyombo and whatever that pick turns into.  I'm pretty good with that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2012, 01:40:20 PM
Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS
Ron Johnson, the NBA's senior VP of referee operations, has resigned effective at the end of July, the league announced.

Johnson said David Stern asked him to improve "an already superior officiating program. ... I feel I have accomplished that mission."

Stern, in a statement, said Johnson fostered "a culture of compliance and discipline. We deeply appreciate Ron’s contributions."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 28, 2012, 02:34:08 PM
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/mark-jackson-extortion-plot-879234
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: etiolate on June 28, 2012, 04:09:53 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 28, 2012, 01:40:20 PM
Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS
Ron Johnson, the NBA's senior VP of referee operations, has resigned effective at the end of July, the league announced.

Johnson said David Stern asked him to improve "an already superior officiating program. ... I feel I have accomplished that mission."

Stern, in a statement, said Johnson fostered "a culture of compliance and discipline. We deeply appreciate Ron’s contributions."

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 28, 2012, 06:51:56 PM
(http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1077068/MSOURCES.jpg)

bahah
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2012, 07:30:39 PM
Apparently Jared Sullinger has bulging dicks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: pilonv1 on June 28, 2012, 07:30:46 PM
MKG coming to Oakland!

please :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2012, 07:36:30 PM
(http://www.abload.de/img/untitled-1c2ab0.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 28, 2012, 08:04:46 PM
 :poop Cavs :poop
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: pilonv1 on June 28, 2012, 08:15:24 PM
:heart Harrison Barnes :heart
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 28, 2012, 08:17:02 PM
Quote from: DJ_Tet on June 28, 2012, 01:15:38 PM
As for the Bobcats trade I loved it so of course Cormac hated it  :lol


I don't hate it now that wiser folks have explained the actual rationale. I was just reacting to the initial ESPN headline of 'Maggette for Gordon' - the deal isn't really about those guys at all. As a straight basketball trade between two teams that were actually playing for wins next season, I'd hate it for the team that got Gordon due to the extra year and money. Neither player is worth their contract at this point, but Gordon has more left on his.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 28, 2012, 08:20:53 PM
...and I agree with everything you said. I don't follow the Cats like you do so a lot of the cap stuff was new to me, cheers
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 28, 2012, 08:22:21 PM
I like the Irving - Waiters backcourt combo for Cleveland, lots o' penetration there
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 28, 2012, 08:24:05 PM
Pistons take nuDarko!

I'd take him at 9 too though, why not. If nothing else, he's a cheap 6 fouls. A big body is exactly what they need too. Not sure the Pistons is the best learning environment though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2012, 08:26:38 PM
Drummond-Monroe-Maggette

Monster front court! Look out Knicks!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 28, 2012, 08:30:52 PM
in theory, Drummond is a great fit with Monroe due to all dat UPSIDE! POTENTIAL!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 28, 2012, 08:32:15 PM
Rivers at 10 seems like a reach...and where does he play with Gordon there? Microwave role? Or are they going to trade this?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 28, 2012, 08:34:10 PM
Monty Williams apparently saying he thinks Rivers can play PG. Hmm. I hear he has hands of sheerest velcro when not pointed toward the basket so that could be a problem
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: etiolate on June 28, 2012, 08:47:00 PM
Thomas Robinson was a BPA pick that doesn't help the team win much. It's hard to criticize, but hard to like.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 28, 2012, 08:50:00 PM
They need to trade some forwards, don't they?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 28, 2012, 09:08:41 PM
Royce White to the Rockets, like it. McHale seems like exactly the right coach for a bright kid with anxiety issues.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2012, 09:17:42 PM
Quote
Cavs sending 24, 33 and 34 to Mavs for Tyler Zeller
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: etiolate on June 28, 2012, 09:18:34 PM
White seems pretty old school in style.

The Kings need to trade a lot of redundant parts. They still have no starter at SF and rely on shaky combo guards to run the offense when Thomas is not on the floor. Looking at 82games, their effective FG% dropped like 100 points anytime Thomas wasn't on the floor. Since they don't play any defense, if they aren't clicking in the full court or half court offense, they have major issues.

Robinson doesn't really help with any of the team's problems. He's talented, but I am not sure where he fits in. Cousins, Evans and Thornton all want their shots.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 28, 2012, 09:29:26 PM
Celtics seem destined to pick Sullinger...Tommy Heinsohn will love calling him 'Sully' at least. With Wilcox hopefully coming back, they can possibly trade high on Bass.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 28, 2012, 09:39:42 PM
Fab Melo too. More slow-down old man ball for the Celtics next season, it looks like.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 28, 2012, 09:48:22 PM
Pretty decent big man bench for the Cs now, even if they mostly just play enough minutes in the regular season to keep KG fresh for the playoffs, that's a win.

The problem is that Pierce really needs a quality back-up in the worst way, and it's not clear they can re-sign Jeff Green (who I don't even like but hey).
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 28, 2012, 09:53:40 PM
Perry Jones is SURELY worth a pick in this range, wtf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 28, 2012, 10:05:10 PM
Jeez, the Heat are gonna end up with Perry Jones aren't they :yuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: etiolate on June 28, 2012, 10:22:55 PM
Steal for OKC.

I am hoping Jeffrey Taylor lasts into where the Kings pick in the 2nd round.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 28, 2012, 10:26:10 PM
I should have known Riley wouldn't pick Jones :lol

Great pick for the Thunder though, since it gives them some leverage over Perk and Ibaka if Jones pans out...it sure sounds like he would be a better fit for the Thunder's style than Perk if he buys in
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 28, 2012, 10:36:54 PM
Like Marcus Teague for the Bulls as well. By all accounts pretty similar to big brother Jeff. He should get plenty of minutes with Rose out and put up numbers.
Title: I wrote "Beal's the real deal" then deleted it
Post by: Mandark on June 28, 2012, 11:11:08 PM
Watching the draft with a friend, we were going through the exact same "a few more picks and he might fall to us..." routine with Jones that we did with DeJuan Blair a few years back.  Almost glad he didn't fall to the Wizards, cause it spared me the pain of seeing them pass on him (which they did with Blair, selling the pick so they could afford to sign Fabricio Oberto).

Hopefully Beal's legit, and not one of those shooters who can't shoot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 28, 2012, 11:12:43 PM
I predict Rivers will be a bust.  When has average ability and superstar delusions ever turn out well in the NBA?

How many big white guys is Indiana going to draft?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Beezy on June 28, 2012, 11:23:55 PM
Kostas Papawhatta?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 28, 2012, 11:35:12 PM
Quote from: Beezy on June 28, 2012, 11:23:55 PM
Kostas Papawhatta?

my buddy on facebook:

"the knicks drafted the owner of the [local] diner"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: pilonv1 on June 28, 2012, 11:40:25 PM
So happy with the Warriors draft.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 28, 2012, 08:31:33 PM
Quote from: Beezy on June 28, 2012, 11:23:55 PM
Kostas Papawhatta?

sorta related, Kosta Koufus on the Nuggets is from my home town.  Played against my high school in varsity basketball and all of us in the know HATED HIS FUCKING GUTS.  Treated everyone on his team like shit.  Even Lebron hated him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 28, 2012, 08:36:25 PM
Poor Festus.  Playing for the Warriors now  :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 28, 2012, 08:56:52 PM
Andre Drummond to the Pistons, nice. I hate the "upside" label but he definitely has it. He had a solid freshman season and proved to be a defensive force in one of the best conferences in college basketball, at one of the best programs. He's a good passer and played very well against Fab Melo/Syracuse in their last regular season match up. I don't think he's going to put up big offensive numbers, but he'll compliment Monroe (who's also a good post passer) well.

My biggest concerns: this is a guy who straight up dominated in high school, yet didn't really play "great" in college. He had a solid freshman year, but you can tell he's rather raw in some areas. Plus he takes games off which is a bad sign, especially in big guys.

And he had a horrible game in the tournament that fucked up my bracket  :maf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 28, 2012, 09:13:17 PM
So I guess the Mavericks drafted some 7' white guy that was projected to go in the 2nd round. I'm sure that'll probably work out for them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 28, 2012, 09:16:07 PM
They traded it straight away, to the Cavs I think. Not sure what their plan for this year was, unless it was to save money.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 28, 2012, 09:23:59 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on June 28, 2012, 09:16:07 PM
They traded it straight away, to the Cavs I think. Not sure what their plan for this year was, unless it was to save money.

No I mean the other guy that picked up with the Cavs pick.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: pilonv1 on June 28, 2012, 09:52:39 PM
???

Mavs ended up with Jared Cunningham (24), Bernard James (32) and Jae Crowder (33).

Zeller went 17th and was traded to Cleveland, but there had been talk of him going as high as #7 to Golden State.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on June 29, 2012, 12:15:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v9uapv5d_A
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Beezy on June 29, 2012, 12:27:00 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2012, 10:40:42 AM
Quote
Celtics to re-sign forward Kevin Garnett to a three-year, $34 million deal, sources tell Yahoo! Sports.
Seems like it could be a bit steep.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 30, 2012, 12:35:20 PM
Quote from: pilonv1 on June 28, 2012, 09:52:39 PM
???

Mavs ended up with Jared Cunningham (24), Bernard James (32) and Jae Crowder (33).

Zeller went 17th and was traded to Cleveland, but there had been talk of him going as high as #7 to Golden State.

Haha, whoops, yeah I was looking at the wrong guy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 30, 2012, 08:59:02 PM
KG back to the Celtics at a fair price (34 mil for 3 years), 3 more years of not-rebuilding and likely 2nd round exits. On balance I'll take it :D
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2012, 11:00:48 PM
Quote
Brandon Jennings ‏@BRAND0NJENNINGS

it's hard to find a woman when you talented and black....
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2012, 11:26:06 PM
omg

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8118159/sources-dwight-howard-tells-orlando-magic-gm-wants-trade-brooklyn-nets
Quote
Howard picked up the option for the final year of his contract with Orlando on March 15. But since then, he has grown increasingly disgruntled with the organization, even telling people close to him that he feels the Magic blackmailed him into signing the "opt-in" clause.

Howard shared his feelings of being blackmailed by the Magic with the NBA Players Association last week, sources said. He -- either himself or through his representatives -- approached the union wondering if he might have a legal complaint against the club.

The goal of such a complaint would be to eliminate his "opt-in," thereby allowing Howard to become a free agent this summer.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 30, 2012, 11:54:49 PM
Jesus Christ, they have to fucking trade him.  JUST DO IT FOR THE LOVE OF FUCK.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2012, 12:08:24 AM
Quote
K.C Johnson ‏@KCJHoop
Hearing Rockets prepared to offer Omer Asik in the $8 million range annually.

welp, so much for the new CBA
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 01, 2012, 12:14:33 AM
The Howard thing is laughable, has been for months. Why the FUCK did he opt-in? :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2012, 12:16:20 AM
Quote
Eric Gordon, the New Orleans Hornets' restricted free agent, is seeking a max, 4-year, $58 million deal, sources say.
Going to be a great offseason, I can tell.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: etiolate on July 01, 2012, 12:21:44 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 01, 2012, 12:08:24 AM
Quote
K.C Johnson ‏@KCJHoop
Hearing Rockets prepared to offer Omer Asik in the $8 million range annually.

welp, so much for the new CBA

Kevin McHale's big man orphanage.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: pilonv1 on July 01, 2012, 01:15:42 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 01, 2012, 12:14:33 AM
The Howard thing is laughable, has been for months. Why the FUCK did he opt-in? :lol

He must have the dumbest people in the world advising him
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2012, 01:18:18 AM
A few days ago there was that story that he hasn't talked to his agent in a while, it's his "inner circle" making decisions.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: etiolate on July 01, 2012, 04:03:37 AM
I get the feeling that may mean he's been asking his belly button what to do.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: pilonv1 on July 01, 2012, 08:16:31 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 01, 2012, 01:18:18 AM
A few days ago there was that story that he hasn't talked to his agent in a while, it's his "inner circle" making decisions.

Which means he's even dumber than the people advising him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2012, 03:58:27 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8119209/2012-nba-free-agency-portland-trail-blazers-offer-roy-hibbert-max-rfa-contract-sources-say

Interesting. Portland offers Hibbert  four-year, $58 million contract.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 01, 2012, 07:33:37 PM
I'd say he's easily worth it. Portland should really just force Aldridge to play center full-time though. That's the way the league is headed anyway, and they are very tough with those line-ups.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 01, 2012, 07:35:34 PM
Not that Portland will get him - Indiana can and surely will match.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2012, 08:12:12 PM
Quote
Ken Berger: Source confirms Rockets have agreed to a three-year, $25.1M offer sheet with restricted free agent Omer Asik of the Bulls.
Third year will be near $15 million.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 01, 2012, 08:13:39 PM
who?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: etiolate on July 01, 2012, 08:23:23 PM
I seriously don't know what Morey is going to do with all those PFs and Cs, or what his aim is in stockpiling them.

Are they still trading Lowry?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 01, 2012, 09:26:35 PM
The plan was either to move up in the draft or trade for Dwight Howard. Back-up plan is having a bunch of depth at that position. Asik is a defensive force - 25m seems on the low end.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2012, 11:48:03 PM
It's funny the difference between winning a title and losing a title. Last year I was depressed and fucking didn't anticipate the new season starting at all. I wanted as much time distance as possible especially with how they lost it. This year I wish the fucking new season would start tomorrow!

I wish we could get Nash but that seems like a pipe dream now. The money he is being offered is way beyond anything you would pass on just to win a title. I'm not even sure we get Ray Allen. A lot of teams will be able to offer more money although I think he would be a great fit for the Heat and I hope he takes the offer.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 02, 2012, 05:42:12 PM
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8124182/brooklyn-nets-land-joe-johnson-trade-atlanta-hawks-sources-say

guess who won't be getting Dwight Howard!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: pilonv1 on July 02, 2012, 08:21:13 PM
Danny Ferry is a genius
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2012, 08:38:58 PM
Danny Ferry doing work:
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The Atlanta Hawks are closing in on their second significant trade of this early offseason, agreeing in principle Monday to trade forward Marvin Williams for Utah Jazz point guard Devin Harris, according to sources briefed on the discussions.

The deal, which is pending league approval, would mean that new Hawks general manager Danny Ferry will have shed Atlanta's two most onerous contracts -- Joe Johnson and Williams -- in his first week-plus on the job.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 02, 2012, 08:42:39 PM
D Will should go to Dallas, even if it's for less money. If he truly wants to win, staying in Brooklyn is not feasible now. There's no way they can get Dwight Howard now
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: etiolate on July 02, 2012, 08:55:07 PM
I am willing to accept that an NBA player is dumb enough to think he can win a ring with Joe Johnson's contract and GWallace rather than going to an established team with a guy like Dirk.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2012, 09:13:59 PM
Quote
David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt

Subtract another $1.5M RT @NetsDaily Hearing Farmar will be bought out for $1.5M as soon as deal is done. He preferred buyout to opt-out.
Ferry the megawizard.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 02, 2012, 09:15:05 PM
STOP THAT SHIT DANNY FERRY I DON'T HAVE TIME TO KEEP UP WITH THE NBA TOO

Seriously, this is good news

edit- holy fuck completely missed the Marvin news, Danny Ferry am Jesus total confirmed
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 02, 2012, 09:44:23 PM
Ferry used to be the Spurs GM right? I think I remember him being quite good there too

Meanwhile in Detroit
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2012, 09:47:16 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 02, 2012, 09:44:23 PM
Ferry used to be the Spurs GM right? I think I remember him being quite good there too
Cavaliers. 2005-10.

He spent some time in the front office of the Spurs but wasn't ever higher than RC and Pop in the chain of command.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 02, 2012, 09:54:19 PM
wow, the Nets have the #2 player in the league begging to be traded to them and they can't pull it off. Staggering. If they stay under the cap they could still sign him in free agency, but lots of teams will have cap space by that time.

Joe Johnson and Deron would be a horrible mix on the court, really doubt that's who D-Will wants to play with. I'd say Dallas' chances just went up considerably.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2012, 09:55:54 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 02, 2012, 09:54:19 PM
If they stay under the cap they could still sign him in free agency
They won't, especially if they resign Deron to add to Johnson, Wallace and I assume Lopez.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 02, 2012, 10:02:02 PM
$40 million on Wallace, yeesh. Billy King, everybody!

Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 02, 2012, 10:06:39 PM
When I grow up I want to be Joe Johnson. That dude's entire family is gonna be eating for a century
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: etiolate on July 02, 2012, 10:23:03 PM
I like Ryan Anderson, but I'm not sure why the Kings are pursuing him with their current roster. If you sign him and resign JT, then you just spent millions of dollars last year to have Chuck Hayes sit on the bench.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 02, 2012, 10:24:01 PM
Hollinger sez the Hawks are in position to sign not only Howard,  but also CP3 next year...on top of resigning Josh Smith and Al Horford if needed :o

:bow Danny Ferry :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 02, 2012, 10:26:42 PM
JEZUS HOLY FUCK

I hope we also suck this year and get a lottery pick
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 02, 2012, 10:30:38 PM
I hope Howard gets traded to Milwaukee or something. What a giant baby
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 02, 2012, 10:31:19 PM
read and weep with joy:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
We knew when the Atlanta Hawks hired Danny Ferry as their general manager that it would mark a wholesale change in the way this franchise did business, but nobody expected the change to be this drastic, this fast.

With two landmark moves in a period of hours today that wiped nearly $90 million off the payroll, the Hawks went from a franchise that considered losing in the second round of the playoffs to be the pinnacle of human achievement to being one that could matter -- I mean really, truly matter -- for the first time since Dominique Wilkins was making nightly highlight films.

For those who just crawled out from under a rock, the Hawks first sent Joe Johnson to New Jersey for the expiring contracts of Jordan Farmar, Johan Petro, Jordan Williams Anthony Morrow and DeShawn Stevenson (who will have a non-guaranteed multi-year deal, per sign-and-trade rule requirements, but is effectively an expiring contract). The Hawks then traded Marvin Williams to Utah for the expiring contract of Devin Harris. Farmar will be bought out for $1.5 million, Harris may be re-routed someplace else, and Petro will be given Pape Sy's former jersey just to see if anyone can tell the difference.

  • Enlarge

Fernando Medina/Getty Images
The departure of Marvin Williams and Joe Johnson makes Atlanta a player in 2013 free agency.
That's the summary, but let's zoom out to the big picture. I'm not sure anybody has put together all the dots on this, but consider the following:

• Josh Smith is from Atlanta.

• Dwight Howard is from Atlanta.

• Dwight Howard and Josh Smith played together in high school and remain friends; in fact Howard was the best man in Smith's wedding.

• Chris Paul is not from Atlanta, but is from North Carolina and wanted to play in Atlanta coming out of college.

• Chris Paul, Dwight Howard and Josh Smith all will be free agents next summer.

• Dwight Howard's main target in 2013 free agency, Brooklyn, just used up all its potential cap space in Monday's trade with Atlanta.

• Atlanta now has only two players under contract for next season, center Al Horford and first-round pick John Jenkins, and will have well north of $40 milion in cap room.

• Atlanta could rather easily trade Horford, an All-Star center with a below-market contract, to create more room if needed.

Yes, this is the real endgame for Atlanta: Not just Howard, but Howard and CP3. The Hawks are now in position to do it, and can get to that point in several different ways.

It's just an idea right now, but it's an unbelievable, transformative idea. Twenty-four hours ago everybody looked at this franchise and wondered if they could eke out another second-round playoff berth before Johnson's contract swallowed them whole. Now the questions are regarding whether Atlanta could get good wing players to pair up with their three stars.

I can't overstate how huge it would be for this franchise in particular, one that has foundered locally with poor attendance and embarrassing TV ratings, symbolized by the poor PA announcer begging somebody, anybody, to cheer during sparsely attended January weekday games ... or, for that matter, playoff games.

This would finally, after four decades of being an afterthought in this sports market -- four decades in which the Hawks have yet to make an Eastern Conference finals -- establish Atlanta as a place that mattered, a Hawks game as a worthwhile diversion, and perhaps, this franchise as something more than an occasional diversion from college football.

Unbelievably, they can now get there. The most obvious way is to wait until 2013. Atlanta can sign Paul and Howard to max contracts next summer, re-sign Smith for roughly the same money he makes now (which would trump any other offer he'd likely get since the Hawks can give him a five-year deal), and likely juuuuuust squeeze in under the current cap.

The Hawks can get there in other ways too, however. Consider the fact that if Orlando decides to deal Howard sooner rather than later, Atlanta's likely offer of Horford, Teague, Jenkins and/or draft picks is likely to be as good or better than anything anybody else offers. (This, obviously, is pending whether Houston is willing to truly throw in the kitchen sink on a Howard rental).

Such a move would give Atlanta zero contracts on their books besides Howard's heading into the 2013-14 offseason; again, they could sign Paul into their cap space, re-up Smith and be on their way. Alternatively, they could make a similar offer for Paul via trade, sign Howard in free agency, and be on their way.

The wild card in all this, obviously, is whether Atlanta is still on "The List" for either of these players, or for Smith for that matter, who had been angling for a trade. But Smith's gripe was never with his hometown, but rather with the fact that the Hawks never seemed committed to winning. It's a lot tougher to make that argument if they go out and get Howard and Paul.
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Similarly, Atlanta becomes a lot more attractive for Howard if it seems ready to commit to building a long-term winner, and has a GM who can do something more than shoot money out a firehouse. And more attractive to CP3, obviously, if Howard and Smith are there too, and the team isn't owned by Donald Sterling.
It's a perfect storm, in other words, and one has to presume that Ferry didn't start down this road without at least a wink and a nod that this might be doable.

As for New Jersey, this is what happens when you're desperate. I've killed them for other reckless moves, but this one actually wasn't that terrible. They replaced one year of $14 million of flotsam with one year of a $20 million Joe Johnson, and then signed Joe Johnson to a three-year, $69 million deal on top of that. Not ideal, perhaps, but again they're desperate to have a compelling product for their relocation to Brooklyn. (And trust me as a Jersey boy, this is a relocation. People in New Jersey only vaguely know where Brooklyn is; forget about actually going there).

The Nets cover themselves with a go-to option in Johnson if Deron Williams leaves, give themselves a very good spot-up shooter and secondary scorer if Williams goes, and give themselves a great shot at being a top-four seed in the East. Brooklyn's starting lineup will be among the best in basketball, presuming it re-signs Kris Humphries and Brook Lopez, and a bench (speculatively) of Jason Kidd, Mirza Teletovic and MarShon Brooks will at least be respectable in the backcourt. A lack of frontcourt depth and porous defense will keep them from contending for anything important, but they'll be entertaining enough to put fannies in seats, and that was the idea.

However, Utah baffles me. The Jazz just took on an extra year of Marvin Williams at $7.5 million, and I have no idea why. While Williams isn't a bad player, he's not worth this amount and he does little to solve Utah's twin needs of perimeter shooting and real backcourt players. While the Jazz have a ton of cap room in 2013-14, Williams eats into it, and that paper cap room is going to disappear in a hurry if Utah tries to retain any of its own free agents -- such as Al Jefferson, Paul Millsap or Mo Williams.

The fact they just handed Danny Ferry a free pass to potential world domination -- and, ironically, paved the path to their getting Paul with a trade of Williams, the man Atlanta took instead of him in the 2005 draft -- is another reason to question this deal; at the least they should be getting a first-round pick for their trouble.
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 03, 2012, 02:15:11 PM
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The Toronto Raptors have reached a verbal agreement with New York Knicks restricted free agent Landry Fields on an offer sheet, according to sources with knowledge of the deal.

Sources say that Fields will sign a three-year offer approaching $20 million.
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Celtics are in final discussions on terms of a multi-year deal with Mavericks free agent guard Jason Terry, sources tells Yahoo! Sports.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 03, 2012, 07:27:43 PM
https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard/status/220295775236788224 lololol
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just got this text from Deron Williams: "staying in Brooklyn.''
:lol :lol :lol

https://twitter.com/MyTwiggaTnes614/status/220296274182811648
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 03, 2012, 08:09:42 PM
Pretty crazy if they are able to add Howard.

That team would steal all the mojo and attention from the Knicks
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 03, 2012, 09:11:18 PM
Mavs are dead :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 03, 2012, 09:16:04 PM
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The Rockets have come to terms with Jeremy Lin on an offer sheet. Specific terms of the deal have not been released. As of July 11th, the Knicks will have 3 days to match offer.

New York Knicks restricted free agent point guard Jeremy Lin will visit the Houston Rockets on Wednesday, according to ESPN.

The report indicates that Houston can make a 4-year, $40 million contract offer to Lin where the final 2 years would be worth $15 million per season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 03, 2012, 11:45:33 PM
http://deadspin.com/5923395/congratulations-you-are-chris-broussards-source

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: pilonv1 on July 04, 2012, 12:16:11 AM
He was insufferable on the draft coverage. ESPN drive me insane.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: etiolate on July 04, 2012, 12:31:19 AM
he's like straight out of TMZ

Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Beezy on July 04, 2012, 01:11:33 PM
Looks like the Knicks are gonna end up trading Shump and some nobodies for Steve Nash. I know he's injured and we have no idea how he'll play once he recovers, but I don't want Shump to go. :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 04, 2012, 01:39:53 PM
Poor Chandler. Taking away Schumpert and adding in Steve Nash to an already weak defensive team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 04, 2012, 01:44:44 PM
So does Lin leave now?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 04, 2012, 01:49:10 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 04, 2012, 01:44:44 PM
So does Lin leave now?

The Knicks say they want him but the problem is other teams can offer backloaded contracts to Lin which would really screw the knicks in a couple of years.

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The Knicks can offer Lin a four-year deal worth $24.5 million. But another team can offer Lin a poison pill that could go as high as $40 million over four years. Such a contract would pay Lin $5 million in each of the first two years and then go as high as $15 million in each of the last two years.

Matching such a contract would give the Knicks four players -- Lin, Carmelo Anthony, Amare Stoudemire and Tyson Chandler -- making more than $14 million in the 2014-15 season. Those four players alone would have a combined salary of $72 million, nearly $2 million above the luxury tax.

While it may be doubtful that a club goes as high as $15 million in a season for Lin, even if one offered Lin roughly $10 million in the third and fourth years of a contract, the Knicks would be cautious about matching, according to a source.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Mandark on July 04, 2012, 08:43:19 PM
Steve Nash reportedly in a sign-and-trade to the Lakers for multiple first rounders.

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 04, 2012, 08:45:57 PM
This off-season has been cray.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 04, 2012, 09:07:19 PM
 :o

Nash gets a fat contract - 3yrs, 27 mil -, the chance to contend, and stays close to his kids. All he has to give up is his immortal soul.

If anyone on the planet can deny Kobe the ball, it's Nash. This will be fun.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: etiolate on July 04, 2012, 09:45:37 PM
Nash as a Laker just feels wrong. The Odd Couple backcourt.

"Steve, what do you think you're doing?"
"I'm sharing the rock Kobe."
"With people other than me??"
"They need shots, too."
"That's why I miss shots Steve. So they can get putbacks."
"Well then, you're much more giving than anyone gives you credit for."
"Thanks. Make sure to blame Pau on your way out."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 04, 2012, 09:58:05 PM
oh, there will be a spark or two *popcorn*

I gotta say though, Kupchak has a way of setting up these awesome deals, even if some of them get nixed by Stern. Gasol, Chris Paul, Nash...who thought the Lakers had any shot of getting those guys?

They should pull the trigger on Bynum for Howard now I think. Howard is just better, and more consistent, and it's by far the best deal the Magic could get that we know about.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 04, 2012, 10:02:59 PM
I feel kind of dirty saying this, but on some level I'll be rooting for the Lakers next year since I really want Nash to get a ring.  If they can, they should DEFINITELY pull the trigger on a Howard deal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 04, 2012, 10:07:57 PM
If Howard says no to playing on the Lakers with Nash, Kobe and Gasol (and Sessions?) over D-Will and Joe Johnson in Brooklyn, I don't know what to say. Brooklyn looks next to impossible now but they still have 'til the mid-season trade deadline to work a trade out or try to clear cap space for the offseason I guess. I'd say there is maybe a 5-10% of something like that happening now, just because Howard is so desirable for the Nets....they have to try anything and everything really.

But the Lakers trade? Shit, that could happen tomorrow. Mitch just has to say Bynum is available and it's DONE, no?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: etiolate on July 04, 2012, 10:50:09 PM
As much as I love Nash, I can't root for the Lakers. I am  essentially rooting for Nash's miracle regimine to run out of juju and turn him Derek Fisher old overnight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 04, 2012, 10:52:00 PM
Can't wait to see Kobe dominating ball control and ignoring Nash
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1st. Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 04, 2012, 10:53:01 PM
I don't see Nash taking the Lakers over the top. Seems like kinda an odd fit to me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Steve Nash to the Lakers)
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 04, 2012, 10:57:34 PM
Nash will be great for whatever combo of Gasol/Bynum/Dwight Howard the Lakers end up with. Kobe will get his own regardless. It doesn't have to be conceptual perfection for it to work very very well.

I can see Mike Brown letting Nash run wild, and Kobe getting plenty of nice easy looks to make up for the handful of touches he gives up per game. Offensively, there is no reason to believe this won't work.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Steve Nash to the Lakers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 04, 2012, 11:12:59 PM
I just don't see it making them better than the Thunder. But we'll see I guess.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Steve Nash to the Lakers)
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 04, 2012, 11:21:36 PM
This move alone doesn't have to - the key is that they got a major piece without having to give up Gasol or Bynum. Either of whom can be traded right up 'til the trade deadline. The Lakers are far from done, I'd guess. They will also be amnestying Ron Artest too I imagine.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Steve Nash to the Lakers)
Post by: benjipwns on July 05, 2012, 12:05:43 AM
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Jared Dubin ‏@JADubin5

Knicks could have offered the Suns some draft picks too if they hadn't included all of them from now to eternity in the Melo trade.
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Howard Beck ‏@HowardBeckNYT

Cruel twist for Knicks: That trade exception L.A. used to obtain Nash? It was created in Tyson Chandler trade, then sent to LA in Odom deal.
:teehee
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Steve Nash to the Lakers)
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 05, 2012, 12:17:23 AM
Another amazing wrinkle is that somehow, that Odom giveaway to the Mavs ended up being a flawless victory for the Lakers at the Mavs' expense, as it:

1) inflicted a horrible season of Odom on the Mavs, at a high price;
2) provided the trade exception that allowed the Lakers to absorb Nash's contract, thereby:
3) removing the Mavs' 'Plan B' for the PG spot after D-Will bailed

simply amazing how this shit worked out - no-one could have seen all that coming at the time
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Steve Nash to the Lakers)
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 05, 2012, 12:22:16 AM
Odom should have been banned from the NBA.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Steve Nash to the Lakers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 05, 2012, 05:21:05 PM
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In an unforeseen reversal, Jason Kidd has decided to leave the Dallas Mavericks to join the New York Knicks, according to sources familiar with the decision.

With the Mavericks confident that they were closing in Thursday on a verbal agreement on a three-year deal with Kidd worth $9 million, sources told ESPN.com that Kidd -- after all-day deliberations with both teams -- has decided instead to leave Dallas to join the Knicks for a similar deal.

The contract can't actually be signed until July 11, which is the first day new NBA contracts can be signed. It's also possible, one source said, that Kidd could ultimately move to the Knicks in a sign-and-trade deal.

Sources briefed on the matter told ESPN.com that Kidd was ultimately swayed to take the Knicks' offer to come to New York and take on the challenge of trying to help the Knicks move into the Eastern Conference elite and also mentor fans' darling Jeremy Lin.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Steve Nash to the Lakers)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2012, 05:25:55 PM
My initial reaction was "he won't get his ring tho..." then I realized he already has one. Feels good man. Seems like a nice challenge for him, plus playing in NY has its benefits
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Steve Nash to the Lakers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 05, 2012, 05:34:35 PM
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The Clippers were informed on Thursday that guards Jamal Crawford and Chauncey Billups intend to sign contracts with the team when the NBA’s moratorium period is lifted for free agents to sign deals, according to NBA executives who were not authorized to speak publicly on the matter.

Crawford, an unrestricted free agent who opted out of his $5.2 million contract with the Portland Trail Blazers, has been offered a spot by the Clippers. He is expected to sign a three-year, $15.7 million contract, according to the executives.

Billups, who played in just 20 games last season with the Clippers before suffering a season-ending left Achilles tendon surgery, will sign a one-year deal that could be worth up to $4.3 million if he reaches bonuses, the executives said.

With Crawford and Billups reaching deals with the Clippers, L.A. cancelled the visit they had planned for free agent shooting guard Ray Allen on Friday.

At 6-5, the 32-year-old Crawford gives the Clippers the size in the backcourt they lacked last season.

Crawford averaged 13.9 points per game last season in Portland, and has averaged 15.3 points over his 12-year career. He shot 30.9% from three-point range last season, and has averaged 34.8% over his career.

Crawford, who has played for five teams, was the NBA’s sixth man of the year in 2010 with the Atlanta Hawks. He’ll probably start for the Clippers until Billups returns from his injury.

Billups, who averaged 15 points for the Clippers last season, is hopeful that he’ll be back sometime in December.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Steve Nash to the Lakers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 05, 2012, 05:39:06 PM
Unless the Mavericks suddenly get Dwight Howard or something I haven't liked a single move they've made since winning the title. They pissed away a chance at repeating and they lost Deron Williams which everybody assumed was in the bag.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Steve Nash to the Lakers)
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 05, 2012, 05:44:50 PM
Since the title, they've lost:

-Tyson Chandler
-JJ Barea
-Jason Terry
-Jason Kidd
-Caron Butler

And they've added:

-Vince Carter
-Delonte West
-A few draft picks who won't amount to anything

 >:(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Steve Nash to the Lakers)
Post by: Beezy on July 05, 2012, 05:59:20 PM
I like the Jason Kidd move, especially since I was starting to attempt to convince myself that getting Felton wouldn't be so bad. Now to see if the Knicks can keep JR Smith, Novak, Lin, and also what other moves they'll make.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Steve Nash to the Lakers)
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 05, 2012, 07:55:49 PM
Time to trade Dirk for draft picks and shoot for the 2013 lottery.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Steve Nash to the Lakers)
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 05, 2012, 07:56:08 PM
This is turning into the offseason from hell for them, yeah. The Mavs really need to pitch Orlando hard for Dwight now, I think. Even if he doesn't want to stay, they'd have his Bird rights, and as we just saw with D-Will, that's a powerful thing. One extra year and $25 million. Cap space is only useful if you can spend it on stars...as it is, they'll likely end up spending it on role players :yuck

 

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Steve Nash to the Lakers)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2012, 08:38:40 PM
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8133715/source-new-york-knicks-jeremy-lin-agrees-sign-offer-sheet-houston-rockets
:drudge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Steve Nash to the Lakers)
Post by: Beezy on July 05, 2012, 08:56:58 PM
We already know that the Knicks will match anything for Lin. Fuck Houston.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Steve Nash to the Lakers)
Post by: Beezy on July 05, 2012, 11:17:15 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/06/sports/basketball/kidd-is-heading-to-the-knicks.html?_r=1&smid=tw-share

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Just as Kidd committed, the Knicks learned that Jeremy Lin, their promising 23-year-old point guard, had agreed to an offer sheet with the Houston Rockets, complicating the picture further.

The Rockets’ offer could be worth as much as $28.8 million over four years, with backloaded payments in the final two seasons, according to a person who was briefed on the details. The fourth year is a team option. Because Lin is a restricted free agent, the Knicks have the right to match the deal.

The offer sheet cannot be signed until the N.B.A. moratorium ends next Wednesday, at which time the Knicks will have three days to either match it or let Lin walk. The Knicks are determined to keep Lin, even if the contract costs them millions more in luxury-tax payments.

Under the Rockets’ offer, Lin would earn $5 million next season, $5.2 million in the second year and balloon payments of $9.3 million in the third and fourth seasons — a structure that is designed to dissuade the Knicks from matching the offer.

Houston is in desperate need of a point guard, having agreed to trade their starter, Kyle Lowry, to the Toronto Raptors on Thursday. The Rockets will receive a first-round pick that, under the terms of the trade, is guaranteed to be in the lottery in one of the next four drafts.

Houston also lost its highly regarded backup point guard, Goran Dragic, who agreed to terms with the Phoenix Suns on Wednesday.

In trading Lowry, the Rockets appeared to be going all in for Lin. It will be another week before they know if they have him.

Kidd, a 10-time All-Star, would be an ideal mentor for Lin, as well as a proven playmaker who can organize the Knicks’ disjointed offense and make sense of the clunky Carmelo Anthony-Amar’e Stoudemire tandem. Even at age 39, Kidd has the skills and the credibility to make a difference.

This doesn't seem too smart.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Steve Nash to the Lakers)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 05, 2012, 11:35:39 PM
Dumb dumb dumb. Also, I forget. Was Dragic a Sun already?  Or maybe I'm thinking...a Maverick?  I forget , I just remember him having an amazing game last year or two years ago in the playoffs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Steve Nash to the Lakers)
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 05, 2012, 11:36:07 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on July 05, 2012, 12:22:16 AM
Odom should have been banned from the NBA.

Yup, I can't even cheer for the Clips anymore because of that asshole. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Steve Nash to the Lakers)
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 05, 2012, 11:40:06 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 05, 2012, 11:35:39 PM
Dumb dumb dumb. Also, I forget. Was Dragic a Sun already?  Or maybe I'm thinking...a Maverick?  I forget , I just remember him having an amazing game last year or two years ago in the playoffs

Rockets last season, Suns before that. Back to the Suns next season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Steve Nash to the Lakers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 06, 2012, 10:46:19 AM
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I reached out to Mavs owner Mark Cuban today to get his lay of this decimated Mavs land after he missed out on Deron Williams and Steve Nash. Jason Kidd hadn't flown the coup just yet. Cuban, who created all this salary cap space by letting Tyson Chandler, JJ Barea and DeShawn Stevenson walk as free agents in the wake of his team's 2011 title last summer, said briefly, "It's better to miss out on the right player than to sign the wrong player."


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And the rules have changed with the new CBA, Cuban sees what the Nets have done and thinks they don’t get it. Here is what he told Stephen Bondy of the New York Daily News:

“If they spend on bad contracts, particularly contracts signed under old CBA, then it doesn’t matter how much you spend… You are locked in to only being able to improve your team using the tax payers exception. That puts you at a distinct disadvantage.”
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Steve Nash to the Lakers)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 06, 2012, 10:04:26 PM
Agent: Ray Allen joining Heat
http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/8137389/agent-ray-allen-leaves-boston-celtics-champion-miami-heat
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Steve Nash to the Lakers)
Post by: Beezy on July 06, 2012, 10:26:43 PM
Fucking fuck

"Not one, not two..."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Steve Nash to the Lakers)
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 07, 2012, 12:03:52 AM
Quote from: Beezy on July 06, 2012, 10:26:43 PM
Fucking fuck

"Not one, not two..."

Maybe the Thunder can trade Derek Fisher for Dirk.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Jesus Shuttlesworth joins the Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 07, 2012, 12:36:02 AM
Glad they got Ray Allen. I think he fits that team really well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Jesus Shuttlesworth joins the Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 07, 2012, 01:21:48 AM
they, that? what happened to the royal we, Stoney
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Jesus Shuttlesworth joins the Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 07, 2012, 01:50:09 AM
I don't want to be too obnoxious

 :-[
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Jesus Shuttlesworth joins the Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 07, 2012, 03:19:58 AM
Jesus, some Boston fans are fucking idiots. The Celtics tried trading Allen more than once plus he got benched...yet once again loyalty/disloyalty only applies to the players right. HE WON A RING FOR YOU ALREADY, let that man live
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Jesus Shuttlesworth joins the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 07, 2012, 04:30:15 AM
Yeah, those fans suck. I understand why they be catching feels since it's the Heat but it's not rational at all. Ray didn't even ask to be traded there in the first place. The Heat is a great fit for him, and the Celtics were benching him in favor of Bradley, he is taking a lot less money...can't hate.

Watched the ESPN Fab Five doc today, awesome. Jalen Rose is way more interesting when talking about himself rather than random jibber jabber during halftime shows.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Jesus Shuttlesworth joins the Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 07, 2012, 08:26:10 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--heat-gave-ray-allen-reason-to-again-feel-wanted.html

There is talk the heat might also be able to pull in Marcus Camby. I would like that move also.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Jesus Shuttlesworth joins the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 07, 2012, 08:38:18 AM
They've got that championship halo for sure now...got a couple of good recruiting years ahead of 'em. Better than having a fire sale on Bosh for sure eh :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Jesus Shuttlesworth joins the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 07, 2012, 08:42:18 AM
Ray Allen to the Heat -

I think this will look superficially bad for the Celtics 'cause Allen will be able to do lots of great things in the Heat offense. But in reality, it shouldn't hurt the Celtics that much. Terry is a more efficient player (not by much, but he is) and Ray was relegated to a back-up role behind Avery Bradley anyway. Terry is also more versatile.

The bottom line is that Ray made Boston's offense more efficient by around 5pts a game when he was on the floor, but made the D less efficient by the same amount, so it's really hard to say they needed him to be successful. The sports writers will still kill Ainge for letting him leave when Ray is lighting it up for the Heat next season though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Jesus Shuttlesworth joins the Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 07, 2012, 08:53:45 AM
http://www.nba.com/2012/news/07/02/usab-selection-show/index.html

The US olympic team will also be announced today.

The locks are

Carmelo Anthony
Kobe Bryant
Tyson Chandler
Kevin Durant
LeBron James
Kevin Love
Chris Paul
Russell Westbrook
Deron Williams
Blake Griffin


Anthony Davis, Rudy Gay, Eric Gordon, James Harden and Andre Iguodala are supposed to be in contention for those final spots.


btw This might be the last olympic team with top notch nba pros. There is a lot of momentum from certain nba owners (Cuban) to not do this and instead have some fiba style world basketball tournament which no one will care about.  :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Jesus Shuttlesworth joins the Heat)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 07, 2012, 09:29:34 AM
The prospective olympic team really needs a good big or two on it...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Jesus Shuttlesworth joins the Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 07, 2012, 10:05:53 AM
Hibbert would have been nice but he played for the Jamaican national team.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/roy-hibbert-wants-play-team-usa-seeks-release-195639605.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Jesus Shuttlesworth joins the Heat)
Post by: Beezy on July 07, 2012, 10:17:57 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 07, 2012, 08:53:45 AM
Anthony Davis, Rudy Gay, Eric Gordon, James Harden and Andre Iguodala are supposed to be in contention for those final spots.
Seriously? Without even having played a game in the NBA yet? I don't follow college ball. How good is this kid?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Jesus Shuttlesworth joins the Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 07, 2012, 10:20:11 AM
Quote from: Beezy on July 07, 2012, 10:17:57 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 07, 2012, 08:53:45 AM
Anthony Davis, Rudy Gay, Eric Gordon, James Harden and Andre Iguodala are supposed to be in contention for those final spots.
Seriously? Without even having played a game in the NBA yet? I don't follow college ball. How good is this kid?

He's good but it would also be kinda symbolic. They like to stick a college guy on the roster to pretend the NBA cares about college basketball and the tradition of college basketball olympians.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Jesus Shuttlesworth joins the Heat)
Post by: Beezy on July 07, 2012, 10:28:14 AM
lol I see
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Jesus Shuttlesworth joins the Heat)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 07, 2012, 10:53:13 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 07, 2012, 10:20:11 AM
Quote from: Beezy on July 07, 2012, 10:17:57 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 07, 2012, 08:53:45 AM
Anthony Davis, Rudy Gay, Eric Gordon, James Harden and Andre Iguodala are supposed to be in contention for those final spots.
Seriously? Without even having played a game in the NBA yet? I don't follow college ball. How good is this kid?

He's good but it would also be kinda symbolic. They like to stick a college guy on the roster to pretend the NBA cares about college basketball and the tradition of college basketball olympians.

Yup, Christian Laetner on the OG dream team says "heeeeeyyyyy"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Jesus Shuttlesworth joins the Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 07, 2012, 11:03:35 AM
I thought Davis was out due to a sprained ankle during qualifiers
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Jesus Shuttlesworth joins the Heat)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 07, 2012, 11:38:04 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 07, 2012, 11:03:35 AM
I thought Davis was out due to a sprained ankle during qualifiers

It wasn't as bad as they thought, he's in camp now.  Plus after Bosh went out they were like "maybe missing a few days isn't so bad, we need someone to block shots"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Jesus Shuttlesworth joins the Heat)
Post by: Beezy on July 07, 2012, 12:26:19 PM
Rename Ray Allen to Judas Shuttlesworth in the thread title please.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Jesus Shuttlesworth joins the Heat)
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 07, 2012, 06:48:22 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8138774/sources-new-york-knicks-ahead-miami-heat-pursuit-marcus-camby

Why the hell is Riley trying to pick up so many old farts?  Bibby was a disaster.  Battier and Miller were helpful at times but the Heat could have gotten more with that money. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Jesus Shuttlesworth joins the Heat)
Post by: benjipwns on July 07, 2012, 07:17:26 PM
This is what Riley does. He only trusts guys he's had around or veterans.

This is the guy who initially tried to rebuild the Heat after Zo's kidney problem by dumping Ricky Davis for Chris Gatling and filling out the roster around Briant Grant and Eddie Jones with Rod Strickland, LaPhonso Ellis, Mark Strickland, Kendall Gill and Jim Jackson.

I assume Juwan Howard is on the team because Riley wanted him so bad back in 1996. With Camby and Allen he's got two other great pieces to have to start the 1996-97 season!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Jesus Shuttlesworth joins the Heat)
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 07, 2012, 08:06:09 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 07, 2012, 10:53:13 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 07, 2012, 10:20:11 AM
Quote from: Beezy on July 07, 2012, 10:17:57 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 07, 2012, 08:53:45 AM
Anthony Davis, Rudy Gay, Eric Gordon, James Harden and Andre Iguodala are supposed to be in contention for those final spots.
Seriously? Without even having played a game in the NBA yet? I don't follow college ball. How good is this kid?

He's good but it would also be kinda symbolic. They like to stick a college guy on the roster to pretend the NBA cares about college basketball and the tradition of college basketball olympians.

Yup, Christian Laetner on the OG dream team says "heeeeeyyyyy"

They could have had Shaq on the Dream Team instead, which would have been awesome in retrospect because then we wouldn't have to think of Christian Laettner and Michael Jordan together under any circumstances.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Jesus Shuttlesworth joins the Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 07, 2012, 09:27:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxfv7BmDxnA

if only he put the same effort into his jump shots
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Jesus Shuttlesworth joins the Heat)
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2012, 09:21:37 PM
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Sources with knowledge of the talks told ESPN.com on Sunday that the Hornets and Orlando Magic reached agreement on a sign-and-trade deal that will send Magic forward Ryan Anderson to New Orleans to play alongside prized rookie Anthony Davis.

The Magic will receive young Hornets center Gustavo Ayon in the deal.
Also looks like something may be happening soon on the Dwight front:
Quote from: Jarrod Rudolph
Just spoke with a source that tells me that Billy King is "very close" to getting Dwight Howard. And deal could be completed "very soon.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Jesus Shuttlesworth joins the Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2012, 12:31:13 AM
Twitter is suggesting the Cavs will be involved somehow alongside the Nets/Orlando, possibly giving up draft picks

edit: Lakers out
https://twitter.com/WiessD/status/222179950353059840
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Jesus Shuttlesworth joins the Heat)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 09, 2012, 01:09:40 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 07, 2012, 09:27:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxfv7BmDxnA

if only he put the same effort into his jump shots
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:lol Bayless head needs to be an emoticon, use :prick
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Jesus Shuttlesworth joins the Heat)
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 09, 2012, 02:22:00 AM
this Dwight thing seems to have legs. People keep saying that there is no reason for the Cavs to facilitate the creation of another super-team but I see a pretty huge one - Dan Gilbert not wanting LeBron to win again :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The New Big Three almost done)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 10, 2012, 02:50:01 AM
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8145777/source-new-york-knicks-acquire-marcus-camby-sign-trade-deal-houston-rockets

Knicks get Camby. Oh well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The New Big Three almost done)
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 10, 2012, 11:42:38 PM
Finally, some realistic trades emerging for Howard. The proposals from the Nets just didn't work for anybody but them, and hinged on them signing and trading SIX different players :lol

That shit was never gonna happen. Why should all those guys have their contracts dictated at gunpoint? Maybe 3 or 4 of 'em would say yes but there was always going to be one Matt Geiger-like dude who said screw you, i want my money.

The Rockets have a decent chance of keeping Bynum if they get him, I think. He would be their star, it's a big city/market, McHale is an easy-going coach, and as good a mentor as a big man could want, they have plenty of role players...he could do very well there I think. And they'd have his Bird rights, which turned out to be huge in the D-Will situation.

And Howard alongside Gasol, Kobe and Nash? Are you fucking kidding me? Whatever it takes to get that done, I'd be doing it right now if I was Mitch Kupchak. Howard was still dominant even when coasting, and for most of his career he has been fully engaged. This is not true of Bynum.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The New Big Three almost done)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 10, 2012, 11:51:42 PM
wait, who are the "new big three"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The New Big Three almost done)
Post by: pilonv1 on July 10, 2012, 11:55:24 PM
Kemba, Gordon, Jamison
Fields, DeRozan, Gray
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The New Big Three almost done)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 10, 2012, 11:56:57 PM
Rondo, Pierce, Bradley  :o
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The New Big Three almost done)
Post by: etiolate on July 11, 2012, 12:02:28 AM
Anthony Davis, Doc River's Kid, Open Roster Spot
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The New Big Three almost done)
Post by: pilonv1 on July 11, 2012, 12:03:16 AM
whoevers reffing the next Heat game

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (The New Big Three almost done)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 11, 2012, 12:11:21 AM
Heat pick up Rashard Lewis.  :-\

Well they shouldn't lack for three point shooting. I would have preferred a remotely decent center though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The New Big Three almost done)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2012, 12:23:39 AM
Hopefully Austin Daye becomes decent so the Pistons can advertise their big three as KNIGHT AND DAYE (and Monroe)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The New Big Three almost done)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 11, 2012, 01:02:53 AM
lulz. It just dawned on me that Lewis and Allen will be playing together again.

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (The New Big Three almost done)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 11, 2012, 05:32:39 PM
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8156575/2012-nba-free-agency-brooklyn-nets-end-pursuit-dwight-howard-sources-says
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The New Big Three almost done)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 11, 2012, 05:35:19 PM
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Never ending Dwight Howard soap opera)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2012, 05:50:36 PM
please lord, just kick Dwight Howard out of the NBA
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Never ending Dwight Howard soap opera)
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 11, 2012, 06:00:43 PM
Mavericks to sign the ugliest man in the NBA, Chris Kaveman. :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Never ending Dwight Howard soap opera)
Post by: benjipwns on July 11, 2012, 10:37:56 PM
http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2012/07/rockets-re-emerge-as-contender-in-howard-sweepstakes-as-talks-with-magic-grow-serious/
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Talks on Wednesday grew “serious,” and at one point seemed close to an agreement, according to a person familiar with the process, but the Magic backed off to consider their options.

Rockets are open to the three-team deal in which they would receive Lakers center Andrew Bynum with Howard going to the Los Angeles Lakers, but are primarily working directly with the Magic to acquire Howard, the individual with knowledge of the talks said.

Getting in position for the planned next move will be difficult. To create enough cap room for the kind of blockbuster trade that has been proposed, the Rockets are considering making veteran forward Luis Scola an amnesty cut, likely in the next 48 hours, a person with knowledge of the move said. That would create enough cap room for the Rockets to take on the additional contracts necessary to complete a trade for Howard.
Orlando must want some forwards.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Never ending Dwight Howard soap opera)
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 12, 2012, 12:45:04 AM
Scola will be a nice amnesty pick-up for whatever team lands him. I love that Houston is seemingly going all-in on this though. I've been basically pushing for every team in the running for Howard to do so. He's your best shot at beating LeBron for the next few years.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Never ending Dwight Howard soap opera)
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on July 12, 2012, 08:30:25 AM
The last time the Heat signed a former SuperSonic, Gary Payton got his ring in '06.

I like this Ray Allen signing.  8)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Never ending Dwight Howard soap opera)
Post by: benjipwns on July 13, 2012, 02:28:17 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8162534/houston-rockets-reconstruct-trade-proposal-orlando-magic-center-dwight-howard
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Sources told ESPN.com that the Rockets, should they go ahead with their widely reported plans to release starting power forward Luis Scola via the NBA's amnesty clause, are prepared to absorb the contracts of Jason Richardson, Glen Davis and Chris Duhon -- in addition to sending Orlando multiple future first-round picks and recent draftees -- to give the Magic an opportunity to wipe their payroll virtually clean for their post-Howard rebuilding effort.

...

Sources say that the Rockets would have to send Kevin Martin, Patrick Patterson, Marcus Morris and Chandler Parsons to the Magic from their current roster to make the salary-cap math work, as well the draft rights to Jeremy Lamb, Royce White and Terrence Jones, all selected in last month's first round.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Never ending Dwight Howard soap opera)
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 13, 2012, 02:33:44 AM
yeah, this is getting a bit nutty. Crazy that the Rockets are having to offer to take all of Orlando's shitty contracts just to get to the table. It makes the Nets' offer look absurdly low.

Parsons is a fun player to watch...expecting big things from him next season, wherever he ends up
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Never ending Dwight Howard soap opera)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 13, 2012, 06:22:15 AM
This is going to sound kind of dickish, but part of me sort of hopes that Dwight Howard is ripped apart by a roving band of feral jackals or something just so I won't have to hear about his petulant ass anymore.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Never ending Dwight Howard soap opera)
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 13, 2012, 06:27:04 AM
We're pretty much guaranteed another year of high-profile indecision though, aren't we? I mean, even if he said right now he'd definitely re-sign with Houston or LA or wherever, who would trust him after opting in with Orlando?

He's making LeBron look like quite the savvy businessman by comparison eh.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Never ending Dwight Howard soap opera)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 13, 2012, 06:29:16 AM
I kind of think that any organization is gonna HAVE to get him to sign as part of the deal, unless it was the Nets where he apparently actually wants to play.  I mean, do the Rockets really think they can WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP by doing all this hit basically to land Dwight Howard while simultaneously tossing the rest of their team into the wood chipper?  Because he's SAID he's not gonna resign with them.

Then again, he says lots of things, doesn't he?  Back to hoping for that pack of jackals I guess.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Never ending Dwight Howard soap opera)
Post by: benjipwns on July 13, 2012, 07:09:48 AM
I do think this and Melo have to cause some rethinking of how LeBron did things. Dwight has openly dicked around his own franchise for two years and will dick around another franchise all while wanting to go to Brooklyn for "brand" reasons. He threatened to opt out and then last minute opted in. Openly killed a coach and GM, then tried to act otherwise, now he's not even giving the new regime a chance.

Dwight and Melo demanded trades to the lone places they wanted to go rather than using their FA rights because they didn't/don't want to give up the money from resigning. LeBron, Bosh and Wade at least gave up some salary to team-up.

LeBron's announcement was going to be a huge deal, especially if he went to the Knicks, and I think his team was smart to try and take control of ESPN's coverage and profit off something that would have been a media circus anyway. Of course then they had to donate it to charity and they fumbled it by bringing in Jim Gray and staging it the way they did.

I mean, if LeBron had issued a simple statement or sent a personal text to Chris Broussard that said "I'm taking my talents to South Beach", "Miami" or "I'm back" he still would have been raked over the coals for being "arrogant" and everything else.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Never ending Dwight Howard soap opera)
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 13, 2012, 07:17:54 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 13, 2012, 06:29:16 AM
I kind of think that any organization is gonna HAVE to get him to sign as part of the deal, unless it was the Nets where he apparently actually wants to play.  I mean, do the Rockets really think they can WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP by doing all this hit basically to land Dwight Howard while simultaneously tossing the rest of their team into the wood chipper?  Because he's SAID he's not gonna resign with them.

Then again, he says lots of things, doesn't he?  Back to hoping for that pack of jackals I guess.

No-one has yet walked away from the extra money whoever has him will be able to offer him. Though of course he could reasonably gamble that his earning power will still be super-high 5 years from now anyway.

One big factor that doesn't get tossed around much yet is that all these guys are signing 4 year deals and extensions now. So it's not the same thing as being handcuffed to a franchise for 7 years on a prior max contract, like say Garnett or Webber. LeBron is due for another victory tour around the NBA pretty soon already! So I dunno, I could see Howard saying fuck it and signing anyway, knowing that he can force a trade when he hits the year before free agency looms again at the latest, and earlier if he wants to be a dick about it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Never ending Dwight Howard soap opera)
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 14, 2012, 09:59:17 PM
lmao the Knicks are gonna let Lin go
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Never ending Dwight Howard soap opera)
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 14, 2012, 10:09:43 PM
I guess Jason Kidd better get himself traded to Houston if he wants to mentor Lin so bad :lol

The CBA must be working in some way, if it has the Knicks pinching pennies though
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Never ending Dwight Howard soap opera)
Post by: OptimoPeach on July 14, 2012, 10:17:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgSq1q-XWnI

lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Never ending Dwight Howard soap opera)
Post by: Mandark on July 14, 2012, 11:30:36 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 13, 2012, 06:29:16 AM
I kind of think that any organization is gonna HAVE to get him to sign as part of the deal, unless it was the Nets where he apparently actually wants to play.  I mean, do the Rockets really think they can WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP by doing all this hit basically to land Dwight Howard while simultaneously tossing the rest of their team into the wood chipper?  Because he's SAID he's not gonna resign with them.

Houston would have a decent shot at re-signing him.  Brooklyn, his preferred destination, will be over the cap.  Ditto the Knicks, Lakers and Bulls.  We'd be talking a pay cut of at least 75%, which is a different animal entirely from the couple million that Miami's big three gave up.

So if Houston has him, then they're just competing with Atlanta, Dallas, Portland, and... Minnesota?  Utah?  Anaheim Sacramento?  With the Rockets having the advantage of being able to offer him something like $25 million more than the other teams, in a pretty big market.  Maybe he leaves, but he won't get to one of the glamour spots via free agency.

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Never ending Dwight Howard soap opera)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 15, 2012, 01:37:37 AM
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2012/07/raymond-felton-heading-to-the-knicks/1#.UAJWvTp5mK0

People wondering if they will resign Lin.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Never ending Dwight Howard soap opera)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 15, 2012, 08:40:56 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uG8ubgvSSQ
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Never ending Dwight Howard soap opera)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 15, 2012, 02:26:02 PM
Knicks not gonna match the Lin offer.

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With point guard Raymond Felton on his way to New York via a sign-and-trade deal with the Portland Trail Blazers, evidence is mounting that the Knicks will not match the Houston Rockets' offer sheet to Jeremy Lin.

Team sources say the Knicks are still deliberating whether they can pay Lin more than $25 million over three years, but one source within the Knicks organization tells ESPN's Stephen A. Smith that the Knicks will not match the offer.

A team source tells ESPNNewYork.com's Ian Begley that the third year of the Rockets' offer -- worth $14.8 million -- makes it unlikely the Knicks would match. If the Knicks were to match the offer, they would also be subject to a luxury tax in the third year, bringing their total out-of-pocket cost for Lin to approximately $30 million in 2014-2015.

The Rockets' offer to Lin would pay him $5 million in the first year, $5.225 million in the second and $14.8 million in the third, according to sources.

A source close to the process told ESPN.com's Marc Stein the Knicks received the offer sheet Saturday night, meaning they have until 11:59 p.m. ET Tuesday to match it or let Lin go to the Rockets.

When asked by Newsday on Sunday if he thought Lin would be back with the Knicks, Carmelo Anthony was unsure but took a swipe at the Rockets' contract offer to the point guard.

"It's not up to me. It's up to the organization to say that they want to match that ridiculous contract," he told the paper.

Anthony also told Newsday, "I'd love to see him back, but I think he has to do what's best for him right now."

Jared Jeffries, headed to Portland in the sign-and-trade deal that will bring Felton to the Knicks, is one who shares the sentiment that Lin won't be back with the Knicks.

"I never thought they would let him go," he told ESPN New York via text message on Sunday.

A source close to Lin told ESPNNewYork.com that the Knicks trade for Felton caught Lin off guard.

"He was very surprised," the source said. "He felt the whole time that the Knicks would just match the offer."

Initial reports had the Rockets offering Lin a four-year deal for around $28 million. That deal included salaries of more than $9 million in each of the last two years, which would be a big hit on the Knicks' salary cap.

Still, the organization seemed intent on matching.

"They will match any offer on Lin up to $1 billion," a source told ESPN.com's Stein last week.

Knicks coach Mike Woodson said Wednesday that Lin would not only be back but would enter next season as the Knicks' starting point guard.

It's not clear, however, if the new deal has changed that thinking since the third year of the current deal carries an even bigger cap hit.

If the Knicks re-sign Lin, they'll have $75 million tied up in four players -- Lin, Anthony, Amare Stoudemire, and Tyson Chandler -- in 2014-15.

Lin, a restricted free agent, made $788,000 last season. He averaged 14.6 points, 6.2 assists and 3.1 rebounds in 35 games with 25 starts before his season was cut short because of surgery to repair torn cartilage in his knee.

But in the 35 games he was healthy, Lin went from an end-of-the-bench afterthought to an international phenomenon. The undrafted guard out of Harvard, who was cut twice in the preseason (once by the Rockets) and played in the D-League, set the league on fire in February, leading the Knicks to seven consecutive wins. He scored at least 20 points in nine of 10 games during that stretch.

Felton, meanwhile, will return to New York, where he played 54 games during the 2010-11 season before being traded to the Denver Nuggets as part of the Anthony blockbuster. Felton played well in half a season in New York, averaging 17.1 points before the Knicks sent him to Denver.

He struggled this season with the Trail Blazers, scoring 11.4 points per game on 40.7 percent shooting and briefly losing his starting job.

Felton's agent, Tony Dutt, told ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard that returning to New York has been Felton's first choice all along.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of Linsanity in NY)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 15, 2012, 02:32:49 PM
The lack of loyalty and selfishnessness on Lin's part is truly breathtaking. Not only is he severely overrated, he's a diva in contract negotiations. He owes NY some loyalty for giving him such a great opportunity.

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of Linsanity in NY)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 15, 2012, 02:39:55 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ny-knicks-kidd-arrested-dwi-174609523--nba.html

lulz.

Jason kidd is highly respected for somebody who has allegedly beaten his wife,  broken up a team over Toni Braxton and now this.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of Linsanity in NY)
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 15, 2012, 03:09:40 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 15, 2012, 02:32:49 PM
The lack of loyalty and selfishnessness on Lin's part is truly breathtaking. Not only is he severely overrated, he's a diva in contract negotiations. He owes NY some loyalty for giving him such a great opportunity.

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:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of Linsanity in NY)
Post by: pilonv1 on July 15, 2012, 08:59:21 PM
Knicks train wreck is awesome
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of Linsanity in NY)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 15, 2012, 09:05:59 PM
Brooklyn keep on taking it :smug
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of Linsanity in NY)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 16, 2012, 02:50:34 PM
USA plays Brazil tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of Linsanity in NY)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 16, 2012, 02:53:23 PM
Obama will be in the house. If only he spent the same time fixing the economy as he spends watching sports. He's just not trying hard enough

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of Linsanity in NY)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 16, 2012, 03:40:49 PM
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Should the Knicks let Lin leave?
5-on-5: Will New York match Houston's offer sheet for the point guard?

After making a deal with the Trail Blazers for point guard Raymond Felton, will the Knicks let Jeremy Lin go to the Rockets?

Here are six writers weighing in on the New York drama.

1. What has grabbed you most in this stunning turn of events?


Henry Abbott, TrueHoop: There is a code. Players don't trash their teammates in the media, or anything like it. Teams don't trash their players, either. But Carmelo Anthony, J.R. Smith, and most convincingly Knicks sources cited by Stephen A. Smith are putting some ideas out there that, given the code, will curl your hairs.

J.A. Adande, ESPN.com: The stunning amount of money involved for a guy who had a one-comma salary last season and didn't play in enough games to "qualify" for rankings among the league's scoring leaders. It's also stunning that this same player could hijack the NBA world's attention away from Dwight Howard, the league leader in hijacking.

John Hollinger, ESPN.com: New York's sudden bout of financial prudence. I didn't think they'd care about the luxury tax hit with either Lin or Landry Fields, but it turns out that the penalty in 2014-15 in particular is deep enough to give even the Knickerbockers some pause.

Israel Gutierrez, ESPN.com: What's still pretty stunning with Lin is that there remain such varying opinions about whether he can actually play. There aren't many players as inexperienced as Lin who deserve this kind of money, but to reach this point without a solid grasp of his ability or potential is almost unheard of.

Marc Stein, ESPN.com: The staying power of Linsanity. After months of dormancy, it has bumped the Dwight Howard Sweepstakes right out of the crosshairs of the NBA news cycle. It's been a weekend full of emotion and plot twists, which leads me to a thought that ran through my head a lot last season: How could Lin's rookie season be so uneventful? Still can't quite figure that one out.

David Thorpe, Scouts Inc.: Probably that Melo and Smith spoke out before the final decision was made. Melo came to New York to be the savior, and he does not want some little undrafted Harvard dude to take that role. That much seems obvious.


2. Better point guard for the Knicks: Raymond Felton or Jeremy Lin?


Abbott: Raymond Felton has never overseen a period of team play nearly as successful as Linsanity. We know him well enough as a player to know there is zero risk of Felton making the Knicks a whole different and better team. For him, being an average NBA point guard would be a pleasant surprise. What are the chances Lin will change the team's fortunes? It's possible, which makes Lin far more valuable.

Adande: If the Knicks consider anything less than advancing in the playoffs this season a failure (and they should) then the answer is Felton. If you're going to win in the playoffs it helps to have a point guard with playoff experience. Lin might be a better long-term solution … if there weren't the issue of the long-term implications of his contract.

Hollinger: Ha ha ha ha ha. I've spent enough time in Portland to know the answer is "not Felton." He had his best year in New York under Mike D'Antoni, but that was two years and about 20 pounds ago. Plus, he won't have the ball in his hands now, and he's not a floor spacer.

Gutierrez: Lin is the better fit and has greater potential. Felton played some of his best basketball in Mike D'Antoni's system, as did Lin. But Lin did it with less experience, had more explosive scoring games and has better size. So it's safe to assume that even in a less-point-guard-dominated system, Lin can still be the better player.

Stein: I know lots of people think Lin is merely a product of Mike D'Antoni's system … which, by the way, must have something to do with D'Antoni after all if Lin, however briefly, can put up Nashian numbers running it. But I'm not one of those people. Lin is long, athletic and supremely confident in his own ability. He did enough in those 25 games of Linsanity to earn the benefit of the doubt with me. I'm not going to write him off post-D'Antoni when he's barely had the chance yet. Also: Weren't Felton's best days as a Knick with D'Antoni, too?

Thorpe: Lin today, Lin tomorrow. I guess it's possible that Felton can find better form than he has, but Lin is a much safer bet. At least we know he's on an upswing still. Has Felton ever had a better month than Lin had, despite far more opportunities to do so? No.



3. Were the Rockets wise to offer Lin $25 million for three years?


Abbott: Depends on their ability to monetize Lin's vast number of ardent fans around the globe. Linsanity has a powerful business effect, too -- any player who earns the team more than he costs is cheap, right? He alone could drive higher ticket prices in Houston, new in-arena sponsors and the like. And if all that does not pan out, the heinous cap effect is only one year long.

Adande: No. Just as they weren't wise to offer Omer Asik that deal or it wasn't wise for Portland to offer a max contract to Roy Hibbert and it wasn't wise for Toronto to offer $20 million to Landry Fields. There hasn't been an NBA move this summer that made you say, "That was really wise."

Hollinger: It's borderline, but Kevin McHale's system is a point guard dominant one and Lin thrives with the ball in his hands. Also, if New York had matched, it was a nearly $1 million windfall for the Rockets and every other owner via luxury tax payments. Also, keep in mind that the Rockets aren't exactly gun shy about paying tax down the road if they have to.

Gutierrez: They were if the goal was to not have the Knicks match. The Rockets need players, obviously, and overpaying is usually the only way to land restricted free agents. Again, this all goes back to whether or not Lin can play. If he develops into a top-15 point guard by the end of the third year, the contract won't look nearly as "ridiculous," to quote Carmelo Anthony.

Stein: Absolutely. They structured the deal in a way that has given the Knicks real pause after months of assurances from inside and outside the organization that matching Lin's offer sheet was an automatic at any price. The Rockets did that because they really want Lin, no matter what the paranoid Knicks think. And structuring the deal this way gave them the best chance.

Thorpe: Probably yes. Look at it like this: He can probably provide equal value to his contract in the first two years, and even if he is overpaid in Year 3 by $6-9 million, he's likely to earn at least that much back in off-the-court revenue over the life of his contract. Very few players pack that kind of punch. Houston knows that business well, thanks to Yao.



4. What are the chances the Knicks change their minds and match?


Abbott: Carmelo Anthony came to New York to create a basketball family like LeBron James enjoys in Miami, where he is at the center of a world where players work hard and have each others' backs. The Knicks are into that, too. Seems hard to keep that vibe by bringing in a contract Anthony calls "ridiculous."

Adande: Moderate. Things have been so fluid in the league this summer, but generally what you've heard about matching or not matching has come true. I've been told it's strictly James Dolan's call right now, and he doesn't have the greatest decision-making track record, so he might not make the expected play. He might get nostalgic for Linsanity, or become enthralled with Lin's marketing potential. But keep in mind, they've already got a new cable deal with Time Warner out of Lin, plus the season-ticket renewal forms went out long ago. They'll still be profiting from him even if he's gone.

Hollinger: I do believe there's a chance, just because the public outcry has been so vast and because this is the type of situation where James Dolan can decide -- or redecide -- on a whim.

Gutierrez: All it takes is a realistic look at their roster over the next three years. If it's the luxury tax the Knicks are afraid of down the road, they can easily convince themselves that, if they're not title contenders, the contracts of Amare Stoudemire, Tyson Chandler or Carmelo Anthony are movable.

If they like Lin's talent, they can change their minds now and worry about the tax two years from now.

Stein: I still believe there's a decent chance that the Knicks match. They're going to wait all the way until Tuesday night's buzzer, just to punish the Rockets as much as they can for making Year 3 of Lin's contract so onerous, but I tend to think that the Knicks will have an equally tough time digesting the idea of letting a player with Lin's promise and proven ability to generate unprecedented revenue walk away for nothing.

Thorpe: How can we predict the future of a team that has no problem wildly overpaying Amare, Melo and Chandler, but now is thinking more prudently about dollars? I'd guess the chances New York bungles this decision is 70 percent.



5. Should the Knicks match the Rockets' offer?


Abbott: It doesn't matter all that much. The Knicks like to act like they're making these league-changing decisions all the time, but they're perennially mediocre regardless. Maybe it's not rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, but it's rearranging the deck chairs on some mediocre, overpriced cruise. The only reason not to would be if they have a plan to bring in a real game-changer with that cap space, which they might. But so long as we're talking about a team dominated by Carmelo isolations, it doesn't matter all that much which four players are watching.

Adande: No. If they're going to be based on Carmelo Anthony (as they should, given how much they did to get him) and they're going to continue to keep Amare Stoudemire on the payroll, it doesn't make financial sense (from a salary cap/luxury tax perspective) to have Lin around three years from now … especially when he isn't a great basketball fit with Carmelo, either. As much as Carmelo might try to spin it otherwise, this does come down to either/or. The city might be big enough for Lin and Carmelo, but the court and payroll aren't.

Hollinger: Yes. Lin's first two years are cheap and his marketability makes him worth almost any price anyway.

Gutierrez: Yes. You're not adding much with Raymond Felton. At least with Lin you have potential. If he develops into a scoring guard, or into an effective, consistent distributor, they will be a better team. The Knicks have never shied away from dishing out dollars, and this should be no different. Again, if finances become a problem, they can always be fixed.

Stein: Unquestionably. Match it and trade Lin after this season if it doesn't work. They will find a taker if necessary. And please don't give me this nonsense about Lin's contract being untradeable because of the Year 3 spike to $15 million. Joe Johnson just got traded, people. Jeremy Lin can be moved if New York is no longer the place for him.

Thorpe: Not keeping Lin would be perhaps the single dumbest move a team has made since paying Gilbert Arenas, and then another team traded for him. He's probably going to be overpaid by $9 million in Year 3, but will make the Dolan family at least that much by then. Or another team, like Golden State, would love to trade for him and get the same off-court bang for their buck.


http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-on-5-120716/nba-knicks-let-lin-leave
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of Linsanity in NY)
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 16, 2012, 08:14:44 PM
Only ESPN could have a 5 on 5 with 6 writers

Makes no sense at all to let an asset like Lin leave for nothing. At the very least, match, keep him for a year and trade him to somewhere desperate for ticket sales if he stinks or Melo won't play with him. They'll be stuck with Felton but that's not the end of the world.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of Linsanity in NY)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 17, 2012, 10:22:36 AM
http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/8172520/source-oj-mayo-agrees-multiyear-deal-dallas-mavericks


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiCozCgux9Y
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of Linsanity in NY)
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 17, 2012, 10:42:44 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 17, 2012, 10:22:36 AM
http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/8172520/source-oj-mayo-agrees-multiyear-deal-dallas-mavericks

Oh wow, I didn't even know that getting him was a possibility. If the Mavs could somehow get Chandler back, I might actually have some confidence in their prospects this season!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of Linsanity in NY)
Post by: Beezy on July 17, 2012, 12:50:41 PM
*watches silently*
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of Linsanity in NY)
Post by: pilonv1 on July 17, 2012, 11:14:57 PM
:lol KNICKS

Dolan is the only front office person dumber than Morey.

Well, and Jordan :teehee
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of Linsanity in NY)
Post by: Himu on July 17, 2012, 11:15:52 PM
Lin better become a Rocket.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of Linsanity in NY)
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 17, 2012, 11:20:37 PM
fuck this piece of shit organization

why in the living fuck did i ever start paying attention to them again jesus christ
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of Linsanity in NY)
Post by: Himu on July 17, 2012, 11:32:31 PM
:rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of Linsanity in NY)
Post by: Himu on July 17, 2012, 11:32:45 PM
Go to a Red Bull's game, Cajole.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of Linsanity in NY)
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 17, 2012, 11:34:58 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on July 17, 2012, 11:32:45 PM
Go to a Red Bull's game, Cajole.

eh I don't know, maybe. my roommate and his gf just went to one this weekend.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of Linsanity in NY)
Post by: Himu on July 17, 2012, 11:38:28 PM
i hear midtown manhattan is full of red bulls kits on game day
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of Linsanity in NY)
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 18, 2012, 12:04:28 AM
:rofl

they did it, they blinked at a 25 MILLION contract that will bring them potentially HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS and a player that can lock down that position (the 2nd hardest position to fill well, at that0 for 10 years. IDIOTS :lol

On top of that, the contract was only $5 mill for the first two years, after which they could have traded him or waived it. And they could have stretched his salary out over 3 years against the cap if need be too, if they waived him...

On top of that, they got NOTHING for it....at least sign and trade and get some assets in return you MORANS

AND they're stuck with below-avg Felton for the next 3 years since Kidd surely won't be starting long if at all
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of Linsanity in NY)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 18, 2012, 12:28:38 AM
What bothers me more probably is the classless way the Knicks sort of handled it. They could have said right off the bat they weren't going to match. I'm not as sold on Lin as most people are but for Carmelo to mention the contract is just dumb. Especially since he got mad when people were sticking their nose in his business related to the nuggets. And JR smith. Well JR smith needs to really keep his mouth shut with the kind of player he is.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of Linsanity in NY)
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 18, 2012, 12:59:30 AM
I guarantee you that was because Dolan, man-child that he is, took the Rockets' poison pill as some sort of personal affront rather than what it is - a solid, smart business move. He probably went into a rage and swore that no-one makes a fool of James Dolan! etc and that spread throughout the organization. His only countermove was to string it out and be classless. To a player that has been as classy as anyone the Knicks have had in decades probably.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of Linsanity in NY)
Post by: etiolate on July 18, 2012, 01:14:44 AM
The Kings just spent all their capspace to be a 30 win team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of Linsanity in NY)
Post by: Beezy on July 18, 2012, 02:15:44 AM
Knicks management :-\

The Knicks fans who are content with Felton are pissing me off. Don't they remember the last time he was here? It wasn't that long ago.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of Linsanity in NY)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 18, 2012, 05:21:24 AM
(http://i.minus.com/iMwgDXADHwS4c.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of Linsanity in NY)
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 18, 2012, 08:28:36 AM
i can't believe those people are real
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of Linsanity in NY)
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 18, 2012, 09:03:15 AM
A true New Yorker? He was born in LA :lol

Do these people seriously think a guy that barely made the League and got cut 3 or 4 times wasn't going to test the market? He should have continued earning 800,000 bucks a year when he was a global sensation? :lol

So many great articles about this...Hollinger and Jay Caspian King especially killed it. Hollinger expects Lin to shine for the Rockets as well (it has indeed been a very PG-friendly system of late...). This is going to be hilarious. To think, I was actually a Knicks fan for a few months there after years of indifference.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of Linsanity in NY)
Post by: Rman on July 18, 2012, 12:51:55 PM
Fucking Dolan, man.  What a dolt.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of Linsanity in NY)
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 19, 2012, 02:37:40 AM
Broussard saying Dwight to the Lakers, will re-up? Nothing on ESPN yet though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of Linsanity in NY)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 19, 2012, 02:41:21 AM
sigh...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of Linsanity in NY)
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 19, 2012, 02:48:06 AM
Quote
It was about Jeremy Lin not seeing the forest for the trees, salivating over green instead of orange and blue -- choosing to play for a team on a track to nowhere instead of continuing to help his former team position itself for championship contention.
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of Linsanity in NY)
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 19, 2012, 03:01:10 AM
if i ever meet Skip, i'm punching him on general principles
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of Linsanity in NY)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 19, 2012, 03:53:51 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 19, 2012, 03:01:10 AM
if i ever meet Skip, i'm punching him on general principles

Please don't hold back, if your punch results in his death no jury would ever convict you.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of Linsanity in NY)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 19, 2012, 04:04:01 AM
This is one of the first times Skip has surprised me. Usually you can pretty much tell how he's going to overreact to something, but I would not have guessed he'd shit on Lin. I figured he'd slam the Knicks organization for letting go a great player and replacing him with a busted, old champion/future hall of famer. Sound familiar?  :teehee
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of Linsanity in NY)
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 19, 2012, 04:06:12 AM
HIS death? My punch would kill his whole family for like 3 generations into past and future. Strong like bull!

So, it sounds like Bynum will have the pick of 3 franchises to sign with, since his refusal to re-up will dictate if this 3 way deal with the Rockets and the Cavs goes off, most likely. Cavs is weirdly pretty intriguing - they've done a solid job and who wouldn't want to play with Kryie Irving for max money?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of Linsanity in NY)
Post by: Fifstar on July 20, 2012, 10:00:58 AM
Apparently the NBA will allow sponsoring on jerseys from the 2013-14 season on.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of Linsanity in NY)
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 20, 2012, 10:28:33 AM
F U NIG  :rofl

Those comments are photoshopped, right?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next stop Olympics)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 21, 2012, 11:58:07 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7PfYKLxhvQ

For what its worth Adam Morrison has also been playing well in the summer league.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next stop Olympics)
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 22, 2012, 08:06:39 AM
awesome

There is a free iPad app for NBA summer league, but haven't used it yet. Not really sure what might be worth checking out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next stop Olympics)
Post by: pilonv1 on July 22, 2012, 11:04:52 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 22, 2012, 08:06:39 AM
awesome

There is a free iPad app for NBA summer league, but haven't used it yet. Not really sure what might be worth checking out.

App is free, cost of subscription is $5. Games are over now anyway so it's just replays. I got my $5 worth though but I watched them on my PC
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next stop Olympics)
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 24, 2012, 10:18:32 PM
Quote
Mark Jackson ‏@JacksonMark13
Please go 2 iTunes and check out my wife’s new CD! Desiree Coleman Jackson. Called “My Voice Is My Weapon” #ItsGonnaBlessU

lol, The Preacher is still paying for being blackmailed by that stripper eh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next stop Olympics)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 31, 2012, 11:44:19 PM
Kobe being Kobe


(http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/_MHCymcuXiVeS9k7Is0tDA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTU0NA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusolyexperts/Kobe-Bryant.jpeg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next stop Olympics)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 09, 2012, 10:25:32 PM
Quote
A four-team trade that would send Dwight Howard to the Los Angeles Lakers is complete, multiple sources told ESPN on Thursday night.

A source with direct knowledge of the talks told ESPN.com's Marc Stein the Lakers will receive Howard, the Denver Nuggets will acquire Andre Iguodala, the 76ers will receive Andrew Bynum and Jason Richardson, and the Magic will get Arron Afflalo, Al Harrington, Nikola Vucevic and one protected future first-round pick from each of the other three teams.

In addition, the Magic will be getting other pieces, including 76ers No. 1 draft pick Moe Harkless, a source told Stein.



Sources close to the process told Stein and ESPNLosAngeles.com's Ramona Shelburne that a trade call with the league office has been scheduled for Friday to secure the necessary NBA approval to make the deal official.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 09, 2012, 10:30:39 PM
 ::)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 09, 2012, 10:36:14 PM
I like how the new cba was going to end the era of the super team.

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 09, 2012, 10:38:37 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/FXy8T.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 09, 2012, 11:58:15 PM
LeBron/Wade's worst nightmare - having to shoot jump shots to win in the Finals. The Lakers will be UN-freakin'-REAL by the end of next season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: etiolate on August 10, 2012, 12:07:18 AM
I don't see how that can be the best trade scenario that Orlando has gotten. I imagine the Houston deal must have been better. You get pieces that add nothing, mid-range draft picks and Moe Harkless.

Good deal for Denver though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: pilonv1 on August 10, 2012, 12:13:13 AM
Still think the Magic should have just let him walk. The draft picks are worth nothing, and they'd have more cap space. Vucevic and Harkless aren't worth it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 10, 2012, 12:44:51 AM
The Lakers keep Pau in all of this?  Really?  I'm drunk so am I reading this shit wrong?  wtf?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: Mandark on August 10, 2012, 01:05:36 AM
Yep, Lakers once again going to put 4 Hall-of-Famers on the floor at one time.  With either Metta World Peace or Devin Ebanks in the Devean George role.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 10, 2012, 01:11:14 AM
:rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: Himu on August 10, 2012, 01:23:01 AM
FUCK DWIGHT HOWARD
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 10, 2012, 01:29:04 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on August 10, 2012, 01:06:49 AM
I wish we'd managed to get a SF out of this, but overall I am content with this trade.
:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: Mandark on August 10, 2012, 01:48:05 AM
AWESOM-O is definitely trolling.

But does he know that he's trolling?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 10, 2012, 02:05:48 AM
all i know is I am ALL IN with the Heat for 2012-13, off to buy a LeBron jersey now
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: Mandark on August 10, 2012, 02:13:50 AM
You know what would be great?  If the Lakers won, but after Kobe has to sit out the Finals because of an injury.  The mental gymnastics that would follow...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 10, 2012, 02:15:06 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on August 09, 2012, 11:58:15 PM
LeBron/Wade's worst nightmare - having to shoot jump shots to win in the Finals. The Lakers will be UN-freakin'-REAL by the end of next season.

Why can't they just drive and dunk the ball? I thought LeBron took a step forward last year, but he's taken three steps back against the Lakers this year, and Wade is following him!
(http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/3374/skip1n.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 10, 2012, 02:22:40 AM
Quote from: Mandark on August 10, 2012, 02:13:50 AM
You know what would be great?  If the Lakers won, but after Kobe has to sit out the Finals because of an injury.  The mental gymnastics that would follow...

Trying to imagine what kind of injury that would prevent Kobe from getting up 18-plus shots in a Finals game. Total blindness MIGHT do it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: Mandark on August 10, 2012, 02:34:42 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on August 10, 2012, 02:22:40 AM
Quote from: Mandark on August 10, 2012, 02:13:50 AM
You know what would be great?  If the Lakers won, but after Kobe has to sit out the Finals because of an injury.  The mental gymnastics that would follow...

Trying to imagine what kind of injury that would prevent Kobe from getting up 18-plus shots in a Finals game. Total blindness MIGHT do it.

I'm thinking swallowed by a whale, then the whale gets lupus.

I do think this will let the young generation of Lakers fans, who are really just Kobe fans, keep their team affiliation and just stan for Dwight down the road.  I dunno how many of them would have stayed with the Lakers for a prolonged and glamourless dry spell.

Not that the Lakers seem to every worry about that!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 10, 2012, 03:11:52 AM
btw, posting/tweeting etc in shock at this trade is basically like putting up a neon sign that says I AM ONE LIGHTWEIGHT CASUAL MOTHERFUKKIN NBA FAN
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 10, 2012, 03:13:16 AM
The Lakers will loooooove Dwight becoming a free agent again in a year. This will be another lightweight test 'cause everyone who pays the slightest bit of attention knows it's his only real option.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: Brehvolution on August 10, 2012, 10:14:15 AM
Any burning of Howard's jersey show up yet?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: benjipwns on August 10, 2012, 10:19:29 AM
I think Orlando fans are probably beaten down enough after a year and a half of this.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 10, 2012, 10:47:51 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on August 10, 2012, 10:19:29 AM
I think Orlando fans are probably beaten down enough after a year and a half of this.

This.  Honestly, they're probably just relieved this shit is over with.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: Brehvolution on August 10, 2012, 10:53:07 AM
It should be sobering as a fan to know that if your team drafts a superstar, you may only have him for 3-6 years. Then they're gone.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: benjipwns on August 10, 2012, 11:10:16 AM
The thing is, Orlando could have fucked him hard, just let him walk. He can't go to Brooklyn or the Knicks or Lakers or whoever.

Orlando would be the only team that could have paid him a grandfathered max.

Denver got lucky, they drew the Knicks and thus got to fleece them out of all their young talent.

Orlando came into this with a shit hand where everyone else had shit hands.

They might have even avoided any major impact with the players by the fact Dwight demanded a trade, then didn't, then lied, then re-upped, then decided he really did want to leave and TO ONLY ONE TEAM, etc.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 10, 2012, 12:13:14 PM
Will be interesting to see how the Thunder match up with the Lakers now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: benjipwns on August 10, 2012, 01:30:13 PM
Hollinger says the picks are lottery protected...that can't be true...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 10, 2012, 02:31:39 PM
I SO hope the Thunder still crush them in the playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: Mandark on August 10, 2012, 04:35:37 PM
When I heard this at first I thought two decent prospects and three first-round picks wasn't that bad.

But if those picks are solidly protected and they took on more salary for this?  I realize with the salary floor there isn't as much value in dumping deadweight contracts, because you'll actually need them if you want to bottom out.  But still, under the cap you could take on other teams' bad contracts in exchange for draft picks and young players, like the Blazers used to.  I don't know what Houston had to offer (they don't have this years first rounder and you can't trade away picks in consecutive years, IIRC) but it should have at least been close.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 10, 2012, 07:18:06 PM
Why did Orlando even trade Howard if they weren't gonna get shit back? They could have at least waited until February. Were they afraid the Lakers were suddenly gonna decide they didn't want him?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 10, 2012, 07:44:38 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on August 10, 2012, 07:18:06 PM
Why did Orlando even trade Howard if they weren't gonna get shit back? They could have at least waited until February. Were they afraid the Lakers were suddenly gonna decide they didn't want him?

Like the rest of the world, they were just ready for our long national Dwightmare to be over with.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 10, 2012, 07:48:58 PM
That is a pretty good reason.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 11, 2012, 08:32:35 AM
I like this new NBA landscape, I have to say. Superstars bunching together where they can actually contend, lots of movement, everyone always seemingly on the verge of being either an RFA or a FA....no dynasty is safe.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: etiolate on August 11, 2012, 03:53:05 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on August 11, 2012, 08:32:35 AM
I like this new NBA landscape, I have to say. Superstars bunching together where they can actually contend, lots of movement, everyone always seemingly on the verge of being either an RFA or a FA....no dynasty is safe.

This the entire problem with the NBA and reinforcing it is dumb as hell for the NBA.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: Mandark on August 11, 2012, 03:57:38 PM
No, it's your problem with the NBA.  Which you're entitled to, but from the NBA's perspective it's not gonna hurt them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2012, 04:42:44 PM
I don't see how anyone could watch this fiasco and not admit LeBron handled his situation far better/more professional than this idiot. Seriously you'd have to be dumber than Dan Gilbert to disagree
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: etiolate on August 11, 2012, 05:10:31 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 11, 2012, 03:57:38 PM
No, it's your problem with the NBA.  Which you're entitled to, but from the NBA's perspective it's not gonna hurt them.

Think a little bit harder.

-The NBA can't afford to go the MLB route because the NBA is the black pro sport, not the good old boys traditionalist sport. People will stick with baseball out of tradition in spite of the pro league's issues. The NBA doesn't have that advantage.
-By focusing all your attention onto a select amount of superstars on a select amount of teams, you lessen the importance of the regular season. You can't always package the select teams for every broadcast and every regular season broadcast becomes less interesting to the viewer, for the viewer realizes the amount of meaningless teams. This makes all your ratings and cash ins more heavily favored towards the playoffs. (This effect won't happen immediately, but the general public will realize it over time.)
-Now that the playoffs are so heavily weighted, you really need to have those select teams in the conference and NBA finals. When the NBA doesn't get its prime stars in the finals, the ratings drop drastically.

Now how does the NBA increase regular season profits? How do they get the networks to buy in on regular season when the public only follows a few teams? How do they make sure the stars get into the finals so the whole thing doesn't fall on its face? How long can you damage the core fanbase by doing these things? How do you retain the casual fan?

You aren't making people fans of NBA basketball. You're making them fans of faces.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 11, 2012, 09:32:03 PM
If you ask me whether I would like more revenue sharing and balance among teams in the NBA then I would agree. The devil is how you go about achieving such things. And the owners have shown they are not committed  whatsoever to that idea despite whatever lip service they give. I also like the idea of free agency and would never want that destroyed.

I will say that the myth of NFL popularity arising due to parity is the biggest piece of horseshit in the world. The NFL is the most popular sport, has been the most popular sport and will stay the most popular sport and almost none of it has anything to do with parity on the macro level. Not to mention the NBA's most popular periods have always generally been galvanized around a key superstar, or a rivalry between key superstars or key teams. The hierarchy of American sports has more to do with tradition and changes quite slowly.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2012, 09:54:09 PM
(http://tinyurl.com/bndzbxt)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 12, 2012, 10:40:04 AM
Spain versus USA in the gold medal game is on right now. Close game at the moment.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 12, 2012, 11:00:21 AM
USA only up by 1 at halftime. Spain playing a very good zone defense.

Lots of ticky tack fouls being called which is slowing down the USA. Marc Gasol already had 4 fouls. 5 fouls disqualifies you for the game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 12, 2012, 11:34:03 AM
83-82 start of the 4th quarter. Very close game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: T-Short on August 12, 2012, 11:50:27 AM
Rudy Fernandez the least sympathetic player of this tournament by a landslide
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 12, 2012, 11:51:25 AM
Quote from: Hyoushi on August 12, 2012, 11:50:27 AM
Rudy Fernandez the least sympathetic player of this tournament by a landslide

Carmelo isn't far behind to be honest.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 12, 2012, 11:53:45 AM
Lebron with the dagger 3.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: Huff on August 12, 2012, 11:57:31 AM
well this is over although it looked close for a while there
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dwight Howard to the Lakers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 12, 2012, 11:59:57 AM
Yep. US got this on lockdown now but it was closer in the gold medal game than most people expected. The Gasol brothers played really well.

It was fun watching these olympics games. And I have to give some props to the women's team. I watched a few of their games and it was very entertaining stuff. Especially the australia game. Nothing bothers me more than lunkhead sexist pigs like Jim Rome who encourage that negative depiction of the women's game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Men and Women take US Gold)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 12, 2012, 01:43:00 PM
I find it annoying that people argue this team is worse than the original Dream Team because of close games like this. This team is playing against superior competition in every way; Spain has multiple good NBA players for instance. I'm not saying the Dream Team would lose games against the 2012 competition, but they'd certainly have to work to beat Spain and Argentina
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Men and Women take US Gold)
Post by: etiolate on August 12, 2012, 03:52:11 PM
Spain with Rubio would have given the US an even better game.

I am curious to see if any of the other countries start to go big up front in the future  to try to counter the USA team's current strategy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Men and Women take US Gold)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 12, 2012, 05:56:34 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 12, 2012, 01:43:00 PM
I find it annoying that people argue this team is worse than the original Dream Team because of close games like this. This team is playing against superior competition in every way; Spain has multiple good NBA players for instance. I'm not saying the Dream Team would lose games against the 2012 competition, but they'd certainly have to work to beat Spain and Argentina
I had this debate with my brother and the argument always seems to rest on odd premises. First off being there is nothing wrong with any team not being the greatest team of all time. The 2012 edition of the team can be considered a great team without necessarily being better than the original dream team. Especially since a few players were hurt like Dwight Howard which would have made this team even better.

Then the absolutely undeniable truth that the world is indeed a lot better at basketball than they were in 1992.

This whole which is better debate that only got really inflamed once Jordan and Barkely got all offended and huffy is dumb. And I say that from the side that believes the original dream team was a better squad mainly just because they were a bit more balanced of a team. They had more traditional bigs and some better post players.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Men and Women take US Gold)
Post by: pilonv1 on August 12, 2012, 07:59:05 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 12, 2012, 01:43:00 PM
I find it annoying that people argue this team is worse than the original Dream Team because of close games like this. This team is playing against superior competition in every way; Spain has multiple good NBA players for instance. I'm not saying the Dream Team would lose games against the 2012 competition, but they'd certainly have to work to beat Spain and Argentina

It's not the closeness of the scores, it's the stretches of offense with no movement, horrible shot selection lazy passing and terrible transition defense that show they're worse.

They'd still destroy every other USA team since 92. But it's a stupid arguement, like who is a better player.

LOL @ people complaining about Rudy on a team with Durant, LeBron, Carmello and the ring leader Harden.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Men and Women take US Gold)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 27, 2012, 05:48:06 PM
career salaries (all time)
Quote
1. Kevin Garnett $328,562,398
2. Shaquille O’Neal $292, 198, 327
3. Kobe Bryant $279,738,062
4. Tim Duncan $224,709,155
5. Dirk Nowitzki $204,063,985
6. Joe Johnson $198,647,490
7. Jason Kidd $193,855,468
8. Ray Allen $181,127,360
9. Chris Webber $178,230,218
10. Paul Pierce $169,486,218
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/27/kevin-garnett-has-made-more-in-nba-salary-than-anyone-ever/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

How the fuck is AI broke, smh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Men and Women take US Gold)
Post by: etiolate on August 27, 2012, 11:05:42 PM
All of those guys are champions or championship contenders at one time except Joe Johnson.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Men and Women take US Gold)
Post by: benjipwns on September 21, 2012, 12:19:55 AM
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@AschNBA: Had an NBA head coach today who refused to believe me at first when I told him about Darko/Celtics.
:lol

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 27, 2012, 05:48:06 PM
How the fuck is AI broke, smh
There's a reason he got banned from every Detroit casino in the six months or whatever he was here. He has a number of lifetime bans from Atlantic City ones too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Men and Women take US Gold)
Post by: pilonv1 on September 21, 2012, 12:35:59 AM
Uneducated athletes with lots of money are prime picking for investment scams and buying stupid things for their family/entourage. I'm not honestly surprised anymore.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Men and Women take US Gold)
Post by: Eric P on September 26, 2012, 10:21:27 AM
(http://l.yimg.com/os/en/blogs/sptusnbaexperts/brooklynettes1.jpg)
still laughing

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 26, 2012, 10:30:26 AM
Meant to post this a few weeks ago but forgot to. Good listen as its rare to hear mostly honest talk from people even if you are mixed on the van gundy's like I am.

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/36622/grantland-network-podcast-dan-lebatard-with-stan-and-jeff-van-gundy


Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 26, 2012, 10:48:39 AM
awesome. Starting to get a little bit hyped for next season. Got the Season Pass already (15% discount this time)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Eric P on September 26, 2012, 10:50:48 AM
As i have no hockey this year i too have picked up an nba league pass and will be watching this "basketball" i keep hearing about
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on September 26, 2012, 08:14:06 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on September 26, 2012, 10:48:39 AM
awesome. Starting to get a little bit hyped for next season. Got the Season Pass already (15% discount this time)

Thanks for reminding me, I nearly forgot!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 27, 2012, 10:19:28 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/nba-reportedly-start-fining-players-flopping-013603249--nba.html

When reached for comment, Manu Ginobli reportedly flopped.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 29, 2012, 09:54:05 PM
Quote
Veteran forward Rasheed Wallace has informed the New York Knicks that he will come out of retirement to play for the team this season, according to a league source.

 ::)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 03, 2012, 05:52:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7WEiQznGTA

Hell has frozen over. I agree with skip.


Quote
The NBA officially adopted an anti-flopping policy Wednesday, announcing a new rule that will fine repeat offenders this season.

Any player who flops during a regular-season game will be subject to a series of penalties, beginning with a warning for first-time violators. After the warning, players will be fined in increments of $5,000 for each additional flop over the course of the season. The fines increase to $30,000 for a fifth offense.

The NBA stated it would consider suspending any player who violates the anti-flopping rule more than five times in the regular season. The league said it will announce at a later date a separate set of penalties for flopping during the postseason.

"Flops have no place in our game," Stu Jackson, the NBA's executive vice president of basketball operations, said in a written statement. "They either fool referees into calling undeserved fouls or fool fans into thinking the referees missed a foul call.

"Accordingly, both the Board of Governors and the Competition Committee felt strongly that any player who the league determines, following video review, to have committed a flop should -- after a warning -- be given an automatic penalty."

The league defined flopping as "any physical act that appears to have been intended to cause the referees to call a foul on another player" in an official release.

Commissioner David Stern has long sought to end flopping, believing it tricks the referees. But the league determined it would be too difficult for refs to make the call on the floor, preferring instead to leave it to league office reviews. Jackson's department already reviews flagrant foul penalties to determine if they should be upgraded or downgraded.

"I'm all on board for it," Heat coach Erik Spoelstra said. "I think it needs to be addressed. I think the steps they're taking right now, I think will benefit the game. I do. It remains to be seen if it truly has an impact. But I think it's a step in the right direction.

"It's not good for the game; nobody likes the flop. A majority of coaches don't like the flop, particularly if you're trying to build a solid defense."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (A no flop zone)
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 21, 2012, 10:09:53 PM
oh god, Lakers look ILL with Dwight, Pau, MWP, Kobe and Nash out there. Unfair.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (A no flop zone)
Post by: pilonv1 on October 21, 2012, 10:17:25 PM
League Pass quality is fucking terrible for pre-season, archived games are all 1600 :yuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (A no flop zone)
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 21, 2012, 10:24:41 PM
yeah, that sucks...i hope the reg. season isn't going to be ghetto like that. I'm having much better luck with the iPad app so far. The prob with that is that the archived games don't go up for ages.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (A no flop zone)
Post by: Eric P on October 21, 2012, 10:36:14 PM
do you get pre-season games w/ the international league pass or something?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (A no flop zone)
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 21, 2012, 10:37:14 PM
yes, though i haven't bothered watching most of 'em.

Kobe-Dwight hookup is somethin' fierce already
Title: Re: The NBA thread (A no flop zone)
Post by: pilonv1 on October 22, 2012, 12:04:55 AM
Yeah it's been nice, finally saw a Warriors game on the weekend.

Saw a post on a local forum from someone who emailed them and they said they would be 3000kpbs for 48hrs after for the regular season. So hopefully it will be better, the Warriors/Blazers game reset on me 3 times trying to skip ahead.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (A no flop zone)
Post by: etiolate on October 22, 2012, 12:44:08 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unZNqZFK_9Y
Title: Re: The NBA thread (A no flop zone)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 22, 2012, 06:27:04 PM
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The NBA's general managers have picked the Miami Heat to repeat as champions and LeBron James to win his fourth Most Valuable Player Award, according to NBA.com's annual survey of the league's front offices that was released Monday.

Seventy percent of the GMs picked the Heat to go back-to-back, the second consecutive year league executives have made them the heavy favorite.

The Los Angeles Lakers received the second-most votes at 23 percent, and just 7 percent picked the Oklahoma City Thunder to win after their loss to the Heat in last year's Finals.


The Heat were virtually the unanimous pick to win the Eastern Conference, getting 29 of the 30 possible votes. Because teams cannot vote for themselves in any category, the Heat apparently gave their vote to the Boston Celtics as the pick in the East. The Lakers got 60 percent of the vote to be the favorites to meet the Heat in the 2013 Finals.

James got 67 percent of the votes for MVP. The Thunder's Kevin Durant was picked as second-most likely with 30 percent.

Perhaps the most interesting item revealed in the results was the impression James left by playing power forward during the Heat's run to the title last year.

James was voted as the league's best small forward for the seventh consecutive year but also was voted by the GMs as the third-best power forward behind the Minnesota Timberwolves' Kevin Love and the Dallas Mavericks' Dirk Nowitzki. James likely will play the most minutes of his career at the power forward position this season.

Top overall draft pick Anthony Davis of the New Orleans Hornets got nearly 77 percent of the GMs' vote as the favorite to win rookie of the year. Damian Lillard, the Portland Trail Blazers' top pick who has been the most impressive rookie in the preseason, was second with 20 percent.

San Antonio Spurs coach Gregg Popovich, the 2011-12 coach of the year, clearly has the esteem of the entire league. Popovich was selected as the best coach, the best motivator and the coach who makes the best in-game adjustments.

The Lakers were picked as the team that had the best offseason, and the top two offseason moves that were voted to have the most impact were the Lakers' signing of Steve Nash and trade for Dwight Howard.

With 62 percent, the Brooklyn Nets were selected as the most improved team. The Nets traded for Joe Johnson and re-signed Deron Williams, Brook Lopez and Gerald Wallace over the summer.

http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/8538799/miami-heat-chosen-repeat-lebron-james-win-mvp-nba-general-managers-survey
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts October 30th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 22, 2012, 09:05:13 PM
Sixers gonna be the East second seed!  Remember that guys!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts October 30th)
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 22, 2012, 09:14:36 PM
Iggy traded, Bynum out for months with more knee issues....yeah.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts October 30th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 22, 2012, 09:18:46 PM
let me stick to my guns dammit!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts October 30th)
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 22, 2012, 10:34:23 PM
well, it's good that you are saving me the trouble of looking up your old posts but i think your chances are actually headed downhill rather than up...I mean, on top of the above, it is clear that Evan Turner just sucks, no matter what role they put him in
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts October 30th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 22, 2012, 11:06:03 PM
as an OSU fan, I agree
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts October 30th)
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 22, 2012, 11:25:27 PM
Mandark on the other hand is awesome
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts October 30th)
Post by: Mandark on October 23, 2012, 02:03:04 PM
 :shh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (A no flop zone)
Post by: naff on October 23, 2012, 05:00:10 PM
Quote from: pilonv1 on October 21, 2012, 10:17:25 PM
League Pass quality is fucking terrible for pre-season, archived games are all 1600 :yuck

Yah, sometimes I can't even switch quarters (the second Lakers-Jazz game, just wanted to watch the 3rd quarter). If they keep archived games streaming at 1600Kbps in reg I'ma be pissed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts October 30th)
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 23, 2012, 09:56:42 PM
seems to be basically the same app as last year but why the fuck do they have to rebrand it EVERY year
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts October 30th)
Post by: pilonv1 on October 23, 2012, 10:55:12 PM
At least it's the same price as last year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts October 30th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 25, 2012, 03:01:35 PM
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“Life is a journey and it’s been a spectacular journey. And each step along the way there are things that you have to do, things you wish you hadn’t done, but I don’t keep that list. I’m totally pleased.”

Stern said he plans to stay on, basically as a consultant, to work on special projects. That likely will involve working to grow the game overseas, a passion of his.

Last year at the NBA finals David Stern said he only was going to be on the job for a couple more years. He wasn’t kidding.

David Stern, 70, is stepping down as commissioner of the NBA on Feb. 1, 2014, Timberwolves owner and Chairman of Board of Governors Glen Taylor confirmed on Wednesday.

That will be 30 years to the day of David Stern having led the NBA, and taking a sport that not long before he took over had its finals games shown on tape delay after midnight to dizzying new heights of popularity both nationally and internationally (and steering it to two lockouts on along the way). Stern was not perfect, but he knew how to market a sport as well or better than any pro sports commissioner in history.

“I thought one year for each of the 30 teams in the NBA was about all I could say…” Stern joked about why retiring now. “Things are in great shape, and there’s an orgainization in place, that will ultimately be led by Adam (Silver) that is totally prepared to take it to the next level. I didn’t feel comfortable leaving prior to (negotiating the new) Collective Bargaining Agreement… and this seemed to be a great time….

“Life is a journey and it’s been a spectacular journey. And each step along the way there are things that you have to do, things you wish you hadn’t done, but I don’t keep that list. I’m totally pleased.”

Stern said he plans to stay on, basically as a consultant, to work on special projects. That likely will involve working to grow the game overseas, a passion of his.

Current deputy Commissioner Adam Silver, the NBA’s lead negotiator during the lockout, was unanimously selected by the owners to take his place and negotiations will take place with him Taylor confirmed (the formal approval will come in April). Silver has worked in the league offices for 20 years.

“I told the owners yesterday in executive session, I told them that it’s been a great run, it will continue for another 15 months, that the league is in,” I think, terrific condition…” Stern said. “I like to think I did an adequate job but one of the things I did best was to provide a successor that would be able to take the kind of things we now look at as huge growth opportunities — international, digital, television rights — and have somebody place.”

Stern promised a “smooth transition.” Sterm will stay on past his retirement date as a consultant to work with teams and on international projects.

“Adam’s title will be ‘commissioner elect’ but for the next 15 months they are still going to have me to kick around, working with Adam to assure that the transition, the passing of the baton so to speak, on Feb. 1, 2014 is complete,” Stern said.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts October 30th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2012, 03:03:43 PM
good riddance
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts October 30th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 25, 2012, 03:15:57 PM
Any word on what people think of his replacement?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts October 30th)
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 25, 2012, 03:16:25 PM
NBA needs a black comissioner.

Quote from: BrandNew on October 25, 2012, 03:15:57 PM
Any word on what people think of his replacement?

Typing 'Adam Silver Jewish' into Google certainly will give you some interesting results.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts October 30th)
Post by: etiolate on October 25, 2012, 03:44:30 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on October 25, 2012, 03:15:57 PM
Any word on what people think of his replacement?

They love him at the draft.


I think Silver will be much like Stern in that the league won't change much from Stern's previous direction. Whether or not he will be as cold blooded as Stern, I don't know. I just doubt he pushes for the changes that the league needs to happen because those changes are a different direction from the league Stern created.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts October 30th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 25, 2012, 03:46:50 PM
Like most I have a mixed impression on the Stern Era. There was a lot he did right and there was a lot he did wrong especially in the later years when he sort of became a vince mcmahon type character. On the balance overall he was a positive force I would say but there is certainly a lot to carp at him about.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts October 30th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 25, 2012, 03:50:02 PM
rest in peace, "stern made the call" meme
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts October 30th)
Post by: Mandark on October 25, 2012, 04:00:57 PM
Gonna miss those out-of-nowhere dictates right before the season starts.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts October 30th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2012, 04:04:35 PM
Does Chris Paul have to retire too?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts October 30th)
Post by: pilonv1 on October 25, 2012, 08:18:06 PM
I miss Russ
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts October 30th)
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 25, 2012, 08:30:29 PM
Good riddance.  I've hated Stern with a passion for as long as I can remember.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts October 30th)
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 26, 2012, 02:09:32 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpHv-EjH5ZA

Blake, by a mile
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts October 30th)
Post by: CajoleJuice on October 26, 2012, 02:24:28 AM
Good lord.

Is that supposed to be all from last season? Only asking because I noticed Gallinari as a Knick getting shit on at 3:17.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts October 30th)
Post by: Beezy on October 26, 2012, 02:38:17 AM
Goddamn. Griffin's dunks are just so disrespectful. No contest.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts October 30th)
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 26, 2012, 02:40:11 AM
Yeah, the one on Gasol is just....fuck you i'm hot shit and you're not
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts October 30th)
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 26, 2012, 11:52:43 AM
It's gonna be weird watching the Mavericks opening game. Dirk is the only one of the Mavericks old guard left, and he's out for a few weeks. On top of that, Delonte West has been kicked off the team and Kaman is questionable. It's just gonna be a grab-bag of players out there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts October 30th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 26, 2012, 11:55:46 AM
Delonte West is on a whole other level of stupidity.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts October 30th)
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 26, 2012, 12:03:42 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on October 26, 2012, 11:52:43 AM
It's gonna be weird watching the Mavericks opening game. Dirk is the only one of the Mavericks old guard left, and he's out for a few weeks. On top of that, Delonte West has been kicked off the team and Kaman is questionable. It's just gonna be a grab-bag of players out there.

Shawn Marion and some random dudes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts October 30th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 26, 2012, 01:31:46 PM
goddamn that last griffin one.  over...I think that's perkins?  good lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts October 30th)
Post by: Mandark on October 27, 2012, 11:17:25 PM
James Harden to Houston, holy crap.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (James Harden + Jeremy Lin)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 27, 2012, 11:33:27 PM
I had a feeling they couldn't keep Harden but I didn't think it would go down at this time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (James Harden + Jeremy Lin)
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 28, 2012, 12:44:35 AM
:(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts October 30th)
Post by: Himu on October 28, 2012, 12:45:59 AM
Quote from: Mandark on October 27, 2012, 11:17:25 PM
James Harden to Houston, holy crap.

My dad just yelled for me to tell me this.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (James Harden + Jeremy Lin)
Post by: Himu on October 28, 2012, 01:03:34 AM
My dad is angry because of this. He wants the Rockets to lose this year so we can have decent draft picks. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (James Harden + Jeremy Lin)
Post by: etiolate on October 28, 2012, 02:21:35 AM
WTF

That is kind of crazy. The Thunder got worse for right now. The draft picks may help in the long run, but I don't see them making a run this year now.

Also, Martin on the FThunder is lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (James Harden + Jeremy Lin)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2012, 02:27:12 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 28, 2012, 01:03:34 AM
My dad is angry because of this. He wants the Rockets to lose this year so we can have decent draft picks. :lol

wait wut  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (James Harden + Jeremy Lin)
Post by: pilonv1 on October 28, 2012, 02:35:27 AM
Serves OKC right for overpaying Ibaka and trading for Perk.

Also Houston is going to still suck.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (James Harden + Jeremy Lin)
Post by: Mandark on October 28, 2012, 03:06:35 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on October 28, 2012, 12:44:35 AM
:(

Yeah.

This is what you get with the more punitive luxury tax.  With all OKC's main guys coming up for extensions, they were going to have to let one go, eat a huge penalty, or fill the rest of the roster with minimum contract guys.  They paid for Ibaka and Perkins and I guess this answers how much of a tax hit they'd be willing to take.

And for either money or basketball reasons, they didn't amnesty Perkins.  Sucks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (James Harden + Jeremy Lin)
Post by: Himu on October 28, 2012, 03:43:49 AM
Quote from: pilonv1 on October 28, 2012, 02:35:27 AM
Serves OKC right for overpaying Ibaka and trading for Perk.

Also Houston is going to still suck.

showed my dad this post and he said,"GOOD!"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (James Harden + Jeremy Lin)
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 28, 2012, 06:21:39 AM
Well, they can still amnesty or trade Perkins. And they'll have a few decent chips to trade (picks mostly) and be under the luxury cap as well. Presti can do a lot with that.

It's just hard to imagine him doing something better than drafting one of the most efficient scorers in league history :(  They should have guaranteed Harden that he'd start and get all the touches he needed - backing up Thabo fucking Sefolosha must be hard to take. 

It's just AARGH why does every fucking move made in the League have to play into the fucking Lakers' hands
Title: Re: The NBA thread (James Harden + Jeremy Lin)
Post by: pilonv1 on October 28, 2012, 07:53:47 AM
If Perry Jones and Lamb end up as quality players, add in 2 more first rounders this year and they'll be a very deep team.

Still think they could have really made a splash 12 months ago by trading Westbrook for Paul. Can you imagine Durant with a point guard who can get him the ball?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (James Harden + Jeremy Lin)
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 28, 2012, 08:34:37 AM
Would have been sweet.

The Wojnarowski piece is kind of amazing. He has some crazy sources, 'cause no-one else even got a whiff of this story before he broke it. And he seemingly knew EVERYTHING.

Paranoid subplot: Harden's agent was pushing hard for a max deal even after being told that the alternative was an immediate trade to Houston (which of course helps the Lakers immediately, as everyone noted). His agent is....Rob Pelinka. His biggest client by far? Kobe Bean fucking Bryant

Probably didn't affect things at all, given that Harden himself surely wanted the max too, but still. I'm sure the agent could have spun it in the direction of waiting-and-seeing 'til trade deadline or next offseason....
Title: Re: The NBA thread (James Harden + Jeremy Lin)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 28, 2012, 02:20:17 PM
I just don't understand the value they place on Perkins. I though he was awful during the finals last year and he isn't much of a regular season player either. That's the position I would just throw cheap bodies at instead.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (James Harden + Jeremy Lin)
Post by: Mandark on October 28, 2012, 03:56:11 PM
There's a similar story from Brian Windhorst at ESPN, so I think this may be less a case of Woj having great sources and more a case of the Thunder trying to use the sports media to get out their side of the story.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (James Harden + Jeremy Lin)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 28, 2012, 04:18:15 PM
so rip FThunder now that harden is gone?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (James Harden + Jeremy Lin)
Post by: pilonv1 on October 28, 2012, 06:47:55 PM
Martin is a pretty notorious flopper. But his main weapon was the rip through.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Opening Night)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 30, 2012, 08:08:41 PM
I thought this was a fun podcast between Simmons and Scalabrine.

http://cdn16.castfire.com/audio/303/2889/15637/1219630/bsreport_2012-10-23-150330-6427-0-0-0.128.mp3?cdn_id=33&uuid=037f93c34404a6555d2941e4a99e771e&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.grantland.com%2Fpodcasts%2F_%2Fpage%2F2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Opening Night)
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 30, 2012, 08:34:42 PM
The NBA Game Time app for 360 is fucking slick but not actually showing me the video of Celtics-Heat....the status on xbox.com is 'Up and running'. Hope this is opening night jitters

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Opening Night)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 30, 2012, 09:17:37 PM
Ray Allen is going to be so huge for the Heat this year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Opening Night)
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 30, 2012, 09:19:12 PM
I think it is wrongly applying the blackouts for US broadcasts. It has a graphic saying the Celts game is on TNT, while for the Wizards game it says 'NBA League Pass'.

So hopefully that's just some regioning glitch that will get sorted out. I have other options to watch of course. Awesome game so far. KG is sooooo salty about Ray Allen
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Opening Night)
Post by: Mandark on October 30, 2012, 10:00:41 PM
I hope Allen makes like 5 threes every time they play the Celtics.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Opening Night)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 30, 2012, 10:01:07 PM
My God Miami actually looks like a real basketball team now.  :omg
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Opening Night)
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 30, 2012, 10:07:34 PM
naw you just have confidence in them this season. Last year you'd have been shitting your pants about a 4Q comeback from 17 down by the Celtics
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Opening Night)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 30, 2012, 10:08:40 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on October 30, 2012, 10:07:34 PM
naw you just have confidence in them this season. Last year you'd have been shitting your pants about a 4Q comeback from 17 down by the Celtics

Nah seriously. The offense is actually running plays beyond iso wade and lebron. Lebron and Wade were on the bench for awhile and the offense kept on clicking. That never happened in the past. They simply have more offensive minded players who know how to score now with them. Whatever I think about a player like Rashard Lewis, he knows how to score especially if the defense is loose with all that focus on the big two. And less Haslem and Joel Anthony.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Opening Night)
Post by: pilonv1 on October 30, 2012, 10:25:00 PM
Boston are terrible
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Opening Night)
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 30, 2012, 11:57:37 PM
Dallas is up 2 points at halftime on Los Angeles. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Opening Night)
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 31, 2012, 12:51:08 AM
:bow Darren Collison :bow2
:bow OJ Mayo :bow2
:bow Elton Brand :bow2
:bow Brandan Wright :bow2
:bow Shawn Marion :bow2

Up by 13 with 9 minutes left. How is this happening? :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Opening Night)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 31, 2012, 01:02:57 AM
Lulz lakers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Opening Night)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 31, 2012, 01:16:43 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8574550/dan-gilbert-cleveland-cavaliers-owner-regrets-guaranteeing-title-lebron-james

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Opening Night)
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 31, 2012, 01:19:07 AM
Dallas actually looked pretty good tonight, which totally blows my mind when you consider that virtually none of these players have played together before this season and they're missing two of their top players [Dirk and Chris Caveman]. Craziness.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Opening Night)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 31, 2012, 01:31:28 AM
I think it had more to do with good coach versus awful coach.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Opening Night)
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 31, 2012, 02:37:00 AM
The 360 app continues to frustrate. All but one game is blacked out for me (normally I can see every game with League Pass) and when I try to watch the replay of that, it just sits at the 'Game has ended' screen. Can't rewind or start over. So as of yet I have yet to watch a second on it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Opening Night)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2012, 02:37:27 AM
http://www.the-coli.com/coliseum/55052-emergency-lwo-meeting-right-fukkin-now.html#.UJDHLGeJ6So
 :lol

lol lakers
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Opening Night)
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 31, 2012, 02:57:38 AM
This is what has already happened to Steve Nash on becoming a Laker. As if further proof were needed of their evil

(http://distilleryimage2.instagram.com/c651ffe8230211e2996e22000a1f98fe_7.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Opening Night)
Post by: T-Short on October 31, 2012, 05:24:39 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on October 31, 2012, 02:57:38 AM
This is what has already happened to Steve Nash on becoming a Laker. As if further proof were needed of their evil

(http://distilleryimage2.instagram.com/c651ffe8230211e2996e22000a1f98fe_7.jpg)

Well. At least he got a haircut.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Opening Night)
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 31, 2012, 02:18:02 PM
Even though the Lakers will coast to an easy 55 win season, I am sort of rooting for them to self-immolate at some point. The fanbase is just itching to get rid of Mike Brown and it will be funny to see it all go down.



Also ... Cavs best record in the league.  ;)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 31, 2012, 07:38:10 PM
I'm basically convinced that there is something about all the attention that comes with being THE LAKERS that means that there will always be too fucking drama in that locker room for them to live up to their regular season potential. In the playoffs, people usually get over themselves a bit and become team players (other than Kobe of course)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Ganhyun on October 31, 2012, 08:20:23 PM
Lets go Hawks!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 31, 2012, 08:28:32 PM
Watching the Rockets - if i see one more dumbass on twitter sound off about James Harden 'cause they only watched the Finals....
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 31, 2012, 08:33:55 PM
Harden and Lin are working well together...Lin is not all the way there yet but able to drive at least. Harden will avg 23-25 a game this year, book it
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on October 31, 2012, 09:12:38 PM
Curry & Bogut starting. All is good for 20 mins
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 31, 2012, 09:25:19 PM
Who goes down first? My money is on Curry.

Harden + Lin will be so fucking entertaining once Lin is back at full health. They're already awesome to watch. What other games are worth a look today?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Eric P on October 31, 2012, 09:30:16 PM
forgive my basketball noobness but what is #leaguepassalert?


NBA: Our first #LeaguePassAlert of the 2012-13 NBA season: @Cavs & @WashWizards are all tied at 80 with 5 minutes to play. #KiaTipOff12
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on October 31, 2012, 09:31:57 PM
Probably just way to tell people to start watching that game on League Pass.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 31, 2012, 09:33:47 PM
oh fuck, time to turn into that cavs game then
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Eric P on October 31, 2012, 09:34:51 PM
Ah got it, so that if something cool happens in the last minutes of the game you can catch it.

I'll probably have a lot more of these questions as they come up
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2012, 09:37:09 PM
Kyle Singler is a Piston? Good lord
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 31, 2012, 09:43:00 PM
Quote from: Eric P on October 31, 2012, 09:34:51 PM
Ah got it, so that if something cool happens in the last minutes of the game you can catch it.

I'll probably have a lot more of these questions as they come up

Yeah. It has been a thing on twitter for a while, informally. Somebody does something awesome and people start tweeting that hashtag. Now it's official though. You can split-screen it too!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on October 31, 2012, 09:47:15 PM
Almost time for me to go dark for the Warriors game. These early starts are annoying, the working afternoon is so dull without twitter :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 31, 2012, 09:50:36 PM
Yeah well. I think I might take the attitude that the results don't matter for a few more months....love my Bore and twitter during working hours
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 31, 2012, 09:54:59 PM
I casually follow the NBA until after christmas, when football is close to being over/baseball postseason is over so I can then focus on the NBA 100%.  Watched a few of the openers yesterday but I probably won't sit down and watch a full game for a while.

aka I'm a bandwagon-er according to most gaffers.  fuck that, I ain't got the time (er, nor the access) for most regular season shit
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 31, 2012, 10:00:28 PM
it's understandable though. I mean, how could you not get caught up in the excitement generated by the Sixers
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 31, 2012, 10:03:10 PM
:hyper count on it motherfucker :hyper
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 31, 2012, 10:06:36 PM
Harden is ballin.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 31, 2012, 10:19:36 PM
In the first half of the Mavericks' game against the Jazz:

Darren Collison is 5-6 shooting with 7 assists and 13 points.

If he can put up numbers like that consistently...wow.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 31, 2012, 10:27:11 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on October 31, 2012, 02:57:38 AM
This is what has already happened to Steve Nash on becoming a Laker. As if further proof were needed of their evil

(http://distilleryimage2.instagram.com/c651ffe8230211e2996e22000a1f98fe_7.jpg)

I'm pretty sure that's just a picture of Bill Nye the Science Guy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 31, 2012, 11:31:03 PM
The Clippers broadcast team actually hyped up Grant Hill as 'former Rookie of the Year'
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Robo on October 31, 2012, 11:41:30 PM
That Louis Vuitton purse matches his outfit, at least.  In concept, anyway.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Himu on October 31, 2012, 11:43:19 PM
Watching the highlights for the Rockets game. 8) Not bad.

My dad didn't watch it and now he's in a bad mood because the Rockets played well. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 31, 2012, 11:54:15 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 31, 2012, 11:43:19 PM
Watching the highlights for the Rockets game. 8) Not bad.

My dad didn't watch it and now he's in a bad mood because the Rockets played well. :lol

I'm not sure what magical draft picks your father is hoping for but the Rockets are basically in the best position they've been in for years. They have a franchise player now. A young point guard. And a relatively decent center by NBA standards. I mean they aren't going to be amazing or anything but their future is a lot brighter than its been in awhile.

I mean I actually want to see them on league pass now which hasn't been the case in a long time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 01, 2012, 12:14:58 AM
Enough cap space for a major acquisition too. They're in pretty great shape all of a sudden, like New Orleans.

25-5-5 is in play for Harden this year. Those endless high pick and roll sets and Houston's pace is just a recipe for eye-popping numbers. And Lin was getting to the rim too. I assume his scoring will pick up significantly as his knee gets stronger. Add someone like Zach Randolph and they'd be scary.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 01, 2012, 12:22:21 AM
Lakers down 11 in the third. Please lose. Please lose. Please lose.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 01, 2012, 12:39:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m8o6wvq3jE

 :usacry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 01, 2012, 01:02:22 AM
Lakers lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 01, 2012, 01:11:21 AM
I think eventually they will be fine but if ever I wanted a team to flame out its that Lakers team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 01, 2012, 02:08:47 AM
quit spoiling results and tell me what else to watch feggits
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Himu on November 01, 2012, 02:10:36 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 31, 2012, 11:54:15 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 31, 2012, 11:43:19 PM
Watching the highlights for the Rockets game. 8) Not bad.

My dad didn't watch it and now he's in a bad mood because the Rockets played well. :lol

I'm not sure what magical draft picks your father is hoping for but the Rockets are basically in the best position they've been in for years. They have a franchise player now. A young point guard. And a relatively decent center by NBA standards. I mean they aren't going to be amazing or anything but their future is a lot brighter than its been in awhile.

I mean I actually want to see them on league pass now which hasn't been the case in a long time.

:lol I dunno, he's mixed I guess. He still watched the game and was excited to see some good team work.

Reworking the Rockets around is the most excited I've been about them in years. They're like the polar opposite of the Astros who is full of geezers and washed up players.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 01, 2012, 03:18:25 AM
Why do the Lakers need the Princeton offence, which was designed for a bunch of non-athletic white college guys? Just let Nash push the ball, run pick and rolls and find cracks in the defense. When you have lots of new guys to integrate, keep it simple. Having Nash pass it off to a big man like Derek Fisher did all those years is a total waste of his talents.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on November 01, 2012, 06:10:10 AM
lolkers

Go Warriors :rock
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 01, 2012, 11:59:33 PM
LEAGUE PASS ALERT!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 02, 2012, 09:41:15 PM
melo is taking a nice gigantic shit on the heat right now
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 02, 2012, 09:44:47 PM
Yeah Miami doesn't have it tonight.


Here's that game winning shot from the spurs last night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfPdoiC94MY


And pop being pop.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl_I9s1cN3Q
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 02, 2012, 10:00:15 PM
:bow Harden :bow2

Harden and Lin have made the Rockets my favorite team to watch so far. Harden is so freakin' good it's ridiculous. People talk about how easy Durant scores (and it's true) but Harden has been even more efficient...and now he's doing it in volume.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 02, 2012, 10:09:28 PM
I'll have to catch a rockets game soon then  :o
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 02, 2012, 10:16:28 PM
it is HARDENSANITY
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 02, 2012, 10:36:54 PM
Maybe the Heat let the Knicks win to raise the city's spirits
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on November 02, 2012, 11:23:16 PM
 :piss (http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e86/PhoenixDark1/Thomas-Downton-Abbey-period-drama-villains-24069657-600-338_zps0e11b78a.jpg) :piss2
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 02, 2012, 11:25:14 PM
Yeah the Rockets are looking like geniuses right about now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 02, 2012, 11:58:44 PM
Worth noting that Lin is continuing to do all the things he was doing in NYC too. Amazing how everyone thinks that he wouldn't be able to duplicate his successes....while Ray Felton's good year was a cast-iron guarantee that he'd be good again in NY...?

Lin's finishing will improve and the turnovers will go down as well. In a couple of months, Hardlin could contend with Manu/Parker and Kobe/Nash for best backcourt in the league. It is weird to see Lin rebounding, then immediately passing off to Harden almost every time though...over time i'd expect them to mix it up 50:50 or close to it.

Steph Curry is also lighting it up tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 03, 2012, 01:19:22 AM
Lakers 0-3.

 :teehee
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on November 03, 2012, 02:58:03 AM
Brandon Rush :( :( :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on November 03, 2012, 12:22:24 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on November 02, 2012, 11:58:44 PM
Worth noting that Lin is continuing to do all the things he was doing in NYC too. Amazing how everyone thinks that he wouldn't be able to duplicate his successes....while Ray Felton's good year was a cast-iron guarantee that he'd be good again in NY...?
Seriously. Knicks fans are just crazy. We all know it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 03, 2012, 12:27:42 PM
Chicago bitchslapped Cleveland last night. It was ugly as hell.

I guess that team can still really play defense well, people probably shouldn't sleep on them just because Rose is gone.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2012, 12:52:09 PM
I really hope Rose doesn't re-injure himself. It's amazing how far rehabilitation has come over the years. Adrian Peterson's rapid return from tearing his ACL late last year has been stunning. Rose has worked almost as hard as him to get back, plus plays a less demanding sport so hopefully he'll be fully back
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 03, 2012, 04:09:56 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2012, 12:52:09 PM
I really hope Rose doesn't re-injure himself. It's amazing how far rehabilitation has come over the years. Adrian Peterson's rapid return from tearing his ACL late last year has been stunning. Rose has worked almost as hard as him to get back, plus plays a less demanding sport so hopefully he'll be fully back

 :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2012, 04:38:40 PM
?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 03, 2012, 05:03:12 PM
I'm pushing back at the statement that basketball is a less demanding sport that football.  Both are demanding but basketball players are generally in much better overall shape than football players, and big names like Rose, Bron, and others are so all over the court and so involved, there's a factor of endurance and strength that you just don't get in football as often.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2012, 05:13:15 PM
And yet running back is the hardest and most demanding position in US sports :smug
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 03, 2012, 06:15:22 PM
not for Lions halfbacks  :lenowned
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2012, 06:30:19 PM
:fbm

fuck you  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T234 on November 03, 2012, 06:40:29 PM
PD, you shoulda posted a picture of Barry Sanders.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 03, 2012, 06:50:52 PM
That's like me posting an image of Jerome Bettis; aka, it doesn't mean dick right now
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 03, 2012, 10:04:39 PM
Nice. Ray Allen just hit a game winner 3 pointer for the Heat.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 03, 2012, 11:23:39 PM
Dallas looked good again tonight. Granted, they were playing against Charlotte, but still.

Darren Collison, OJ Mayo, Vince Carter, and Chris Caveman combined for 33 of 50 shooting and 82 points. Collison had 10 assists on his own. I don't even know who 3 of those guys are! But apparently I need to start rooting for them. Also, Rick Carlisle is a coaching genius.

It'll be really interesting to see how Dirk fits into this new team when he returns in a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 03, 2012, 11:31:59 PM
Damn, Allen has added a clutch tentpole to the heat

the heat are gonna be tough as shit this year

also bosh has a fucking huge game
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 03, 2012, 11:33:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlZjzw12kp8
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 04, 2012, 01:04:38 AM
its awesome seeing allen play for the heat; fun to watch.

....but that reminds me: why the fuck is miller still on this team

didn't that dude basically earn his legend in miami?  his incredible last game in the finals shoulda been his sendoff
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 04, 2012, 03:19:55 AM
eh, was not impressed by that Heat performance. Denver killed them in the paint, ran up 66pts on them in the first half. If they're going to repeat, they'll be doing it with elite D and didn't see that tonight at all.

Who fouls Ray Allen on a buzzer-beating 3 attempt btw? Jeez
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on November 04, 2012, 03:49:57 AM
Clippers suck. 52 free throws and you can't beat the Warriors?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Eric P on November 04, 2012, 05:00:36 AM
Really liked that Houston game last night.  Both teams seemed to falter in the 3rd then come back strong in the 4th with a buzzer beater to tie it up for overtime only to watch Portland come back really strong in OT to win it.

Basketball is a hell of a lot of fun.  Thank you, Gary Bettman for fucking hockey this year so I can spend some time with something else.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 04, 2012, 08:09:35 AM
Harden started to tire badly in the 3rd of the Houston game...he was flubbing stuff he normally nails. It'll be a long season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on November 04, 2012, 09:27:02 AM
Can't blame him. The man did just drop 45 pts the previous night.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 04, 2012, 09:45:34 AM
Quote from: Beezy on November 04, 2012, 09:27:02 AM
Can't blame him. The man did just drop 45 pts the previous night.

Agreed. And the team as currently constructed is still pretty flawed. What's more worrisome to me is Lin. He doesn't appear as quick as he was relatively speaking last year and he displays a bad tendency sometimes of just bulling ahead into the paint and tossing up any shot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 04, 2012, 06:02:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6lUQOzXNpE
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 04, 2012, 06:35:06 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 04, 2012, 09:45:34 AM
Quote from: Beezy on November 04, 2012, 09:27:02 AM
Can't blame him. The man did just drop 45 pts the previous night.

Agreed. And the team as currently constructed is still pretty flawed. What's more worrisome to me is Lin. He doesn't appear as quick as he was relatively speaking last year and he displays a bad tendency sometimes of just bulling ahead into the paint and tossing up any shot.

Just a few weeks ago he was complaining about not being able to get to the basket at all because of his knee, so I was surprised at how good he was TBH. I'm assuming he will gradually improve as it strengthens.

The Rockets are big-time flawed, yes. But they weren't put together with any consideration whatsoever of the product on the floor this season. Any success they have this year is a windfall (and actually they'd be better tanking really)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on November 04, 2012, 06:50:03 PM
The Rockets remind me of some old Warriors teams. Just a bunch of dudes who don't really fit well but are fun to watch.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Eric P on November 05, 2012, 08:10:55 PM
I thought the knicks were bad.  What's going on?

Also; that half court shot by Cole at the buzzer was pretty phenomenal

edit; here it is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBTN95jQ8Zs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 05, 2012, 09:54:35 PM
The Heat were SCARY tonight, albeit against Phoenix on a back-to-back. It was hilarious watching Jared Dudley rush out to Ray Allen in the corner, then see LeBron approaching at the top of the key, then realize Allen was open again...the poor guy looked like a parent trying to choose which of his kids to save in a fire
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Eric P on November 05, 2012, 09:58:35 PM
That Heat game was sad. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 05, 2012, 10:06:54 PM
Got Jazz-Grizz on now, taking suggestions on what to watch next (no spoilers if you can help it)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 05, 2012, 11:12:54 PM
Kyrie Irving going OFF on Chris Paul right now, anyone awake should strongly consider watching
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 05, 2012, 11:40:23 PM
Mavs with another impressive win, totally destroyed the Trail Blazers in the 4th quarter. OJ Mayo was 12-18 shooting [6-8 on 3-pointers] for 32 points and Darren Collison had 13 assists. And this is the second game in row where they've shot, as a team, over 60%.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on November 05, 2012, 11:44:36 PM
Knicks vs. Mavs on Friday. Dis gon' be gud
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 05, 2012, 11:52:36 PM
One of these behemoths must fall
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on November 06, 2012, 12:10:04 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 06, 2012, 01:41:03 AM
That was one of the most entertaining Cavs games I have seen in a few years. They better not trade away Andy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on November 08, 2012, 06:22:42 AM
lolkers
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 08, 2012, 08:38:17 AM
That defense that the Miami Heat started out 9-8 is going to look pretty silly when the Lakers are 5-12.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on November 08, 2012, 10:00:15 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMTIWp90EYc

 :wag
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 08, 2012, 04:32:40 PM
You best watch what you grab Swedes!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 09, 2012, 01:54:25 PM
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/8610888/los-angeles-lakers-fired-coach-mike-brown-source-says

 :lol

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers fire Mike Brown)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2012, 01:55:54 PM
 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers fire Mike Brown)
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2012, 02:01:17 PM
Maybe they can bring in Stan Van Gundy. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers fire Mike Brown)
Post by: Eric P on November 09, 2012, 02:18:22 PM
as a basketball n00b i was wondering what the hell was happening with that team.  i had thought they were supposed to be amazing but yeah...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers fire Mike Brown)
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 09, 2012, 06:24:31 PM
Well, I called the Mike Brown thing on twitter 2 days ago so hardly a surprise (said he was only marginally more employed right now than Mitt Romney...). Always felt he was a bad choice, he sucked last year, the Princeton offense made no sense (drowning man clutching at straws there - 'I don't understand offense...let's give it to Eddie Jordan because all his teams sucked too!'), and Kobe was obviously furious in the Utah game at least.

There is no slam-dunk choice. I mean, Stan Van Gundy is probably the best available but he and Dwight nuked that bridge from space. D'Antoni would be the one I'd like to see the most, just to get a delicious whiff of SSOL again, but he didn't do too well handling Melo in NY. He does have Kobe's respect though, and obviously Nash's...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers fire Mike Brown)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2012, 07:49:34 PM
What about Pat Riley
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers fire Mike Brown)
Post by: Freyj on November 09, 2012, 08:10:09 PM
I guess I'm going to have to start watching the Thunder with any hope of a hockey season quickly dying.

 :( Basketball  :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers fire Mike Brown)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2012, 08:28:20 PM
Where the fuck is Smooth Groove? I need his opinion on this shit
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers fire Mike Brown)
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 09, 2012, 08:31:39 PM
god the Celtics are just murderously unfun to watch. Over to Knicks - Mavs. Knicks are actually looking like a solid team despite it all - JR Smith hustling on D is just mind-boggling
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers fire Mike Brown)
Post by: Beezy on November 10, 2012, 12:43:38 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on November 09, 2012, 08:31:39 PM
god the Celtics are just murderously unfun to watch. Over to Knicks - Mavs. Knicks are actually looking like a solid team despite it all - JR Smith hustling on D is just mind-boggling

 8)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers fire Mike Brown)
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 10, 2012, 12:49:33 AM
Well shit, guess it really was time to fire Mike Brown
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers fire Mike Brown)
Post by: pilonv1 on November 10, 2012, 05:03:35 AM
Warriors shot 31% and played one of the worst games I've ever seen them play. If they string a few wins together I'll be impressed but I don't think that firing Brown will solve everything.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers fire Mike Brown)
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 10, 2012, 09:08:44 PM
Guys, you'll never guess who the leading candidate for the Lakers job is

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/jackson-lakers-job-given-power-203009238--nba.html

Just kidding, that was my dog's first guess.  How would Nash do in the triangle though?  I know he's not healthy right now, but I think you just put in the "let Steve Nash run the offense" offense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers fire Mike Brown)
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 10, 2012, 09:11:28 PM
Here's a crazy stat:

In 7 games, OJ Mayo is 17-21 on 3-pointers.
Title: The NBA thread (Lakers fire Mike Brown)
Post by: Arbys Roast Beef Sandwich on November 10, 2012, 10:25:57 PM
Bernie Bickerstaff is a pretty awesome name.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers fire Mike Brown)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 11, 2012, 01:03:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tiUtvCl-ic
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers fire Mike Brown)
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 12, 2012, 07:30:17 AM
:lol

Lakers continue the body hits by hiring D'Antoni. I'm more enthused about that combo than Jackson (who really had checked out in his last season, lest we forget). D'Antoni can run some fun stuff with those guys. I will watch (and hate).
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers screw the Zen Master)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 12, 2012, 08:53:10 AM
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/8613600/los-angeles-lakers-kobe-bryant-favors-phil-jackson-return

I like how the Lakers have essentially ignored Kobe on the last two coaches.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers screw the Zen Master)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 12, 2012, 02:32:47 PM
:rofl lakers :rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers screw the Zen Master)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 12, 2012, 04:12:28 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8623622/philadelphia-76ers-andrew-bynum-5-more-weeks-knee-injury


 ::)

Dumb 76ers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers screw the Zen Master)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 12, 2012, 04:22:15 PM
SECOND SEED
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers screw the Zen Master)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 12, 2012, 05:10:53 PM
Quote
Between the hours of Mike Brown's firing and a meeting on Saturday morning with history's most accomplished coach, Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak privately told people there was one candidate: Phil Jackson.

Jackson wanted to humiliate Lakers vice president Jim Buss far more than he wanted to coach the team. He wanted significant allowances on travel, coaching duties and an ability to veto player personnel moves that didn't fit his vision. With an unprecedented 11 coaching championships, Jackson had every right to make unprecedented demands. He doesn't have the right to be surprised when the Lakers rejected them and hired a pliable, cheaper coach in Mike D'Antoni.

"Phil wanted Jim Buss to walk away with his tail between his legs," one source with knowledge of the discussions told Yahoo! Sports. "He thought he had time to still negotiate with them, and see how much they would give him."

Now, the Lakers are going out of their way to spare Jackson the embarrassment of his overreaching, but this is pointless spin. They're working with him to sell the public that he hadn't asked for too much, that somehow the franchise chose D'Antoni over Jackson on sheer merit. It's noble, but laughable. Jackson heard those chants in the Staples Center and never believed the Lakers had the guts to call his bluff before circling back to him on Monday.

"Phil's assistants convinced him that they had his back on the concerns [Jackson] had about his load as head coach, and he was ready to get a deal done on Monday," a source with knowledge of the talks said. "But this was about Jim Buss giving him a royal you-know-what in the end."

If Jackson was ever to return to coaching to chase a championship in a preferred locale, this job offered him the opportunity. His instincts were wrong on how to play these negotiations and it blew up on him. The Lakers could live with making Jackson the highest-paid coach in the NBA again, but Jackson had to come back in full, and the Lakers were wise to have uncertainties.

Jackson listened to Kobe Bryant gush and gush about him on Friday night, and believed the strongest voice in the locker room would accept only his return the bench. It was a mistake. Bryant preferred Jackson, but he has a history with D'Antoni back to his childhood growing up in Italy and across several years of USA Basketball. Bryant and D'Antoni have a relationship, a trust, and that's somewhere to start once they're thrust together.

Once Jackson couldn't come to terms on Saturday, Bryant had prepared himself for the fact that D'Antoni would ultimately become the coach. For the Lakers' good, D'Antoni needs to have used his three-plus seasons in New York to have grown as a coach, as a leader, or this will go terribly for him in Los Angeles.

When everything had become too hard with the New York Knicks, D'Antoni walked into the office one morning and surrendered. Carmelo Anthony had stopped listening to him, stopped running his plays, and ownership never supported the coach. When Anthony grumbled to Bryant about D'Antoni's defensive acumen on a trip to Los Angeles before the coach's resignation in New York, one witness says Bryant shot back to Anthony – only half-kidding – that, seriously, when the hell have you ever played defense?

D'Antoni has been run out of two jobs and should be past the obsession he had over needing to win with his system, his way. These won't be the seven-seconds-or-less Lakers. They'll play plenty of pick-and-roll, but the biggest issue for D'Antoni's defense has never been where it was ranked in the league, but how the Suns players – including Steve Nash – never believed they were prepared for the big possessions, the big moments, in series with San Antonio. There was a discipline missing, a mindset, an understanding, in those moments of truths.

D'Antoni is notoriously sensitive to criticism, but he needs to be honest with himself to get the most out of these Lakers now, out of himself here. They never spent practice time on defense, because D'Antoni's offensive system was his genius, what got him into the NBA, got him millions, and his personal mandate was forever validating it. Now, he's older. These are the Lakers and D'Antoni has to understand: This isn't about his vision, but winning.

Within the organization, Kupchak and the coaching staff understood this: Dwight Howard can make D'Antoni a far, far better defensive coach. For now, the staff believes Howard is still a shell of himself, that mobility in his back still isn't close to returning for another month, maybe two.

Stan Van Gundy has already reached out to D'Antoni and encouraged him to keep assistant coach Steve Clifford on his staff. Clifford had a strong history of working with Stan in Orlando and Jeff Van Gundy in Houston and had gone to the Lakers to join Mike Brown's staff. As much as anyone, he understands how to incorporate an individual's flaws into the greatness of Howard's ability to dominate on the defensive end.

Over the summer, Jackson continued to tell people he was retired as a coach. He didn't want the job anymore. Once Los Angeles made the deal for Howard, his prism on returning to the Lakers changed again. Along with Bryant, Howard was the reason that a 12th title was possible for Jackson. Howard was the investment that made it easier for the Busses to buy out Brown's contract and make Jackson the highest-paid coach in the NBA again.

Jackson had his chance, and the strangest thing happened: The greatest coach in history overreached, misread the circumstances and had someone tell him "no" on Sunday night. The Lakers never picked Mike D'Antoni over Jackson. They picked him over desperation for Jackson. Maybe the Busses will regret the choice, but if Jackson truly wanted to coach again, no one will ever regret this more than him. These are still the Lakers, and nowhere else in basketball does this opportunity at this moment in time come along – even for Phil Jackson.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--lakers-resist-phil-jackson-s-power-grab-11051709.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers screw the Zen Master)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 12, 2012, 05:36:26 PM
Quote
When Anthony grumbled to Bryant about D'Antoni's defensive acumen on a trip to Los Angeles before the coach's resignation in New York, one witness says Bryant shot back to Anthony – only half-kidding – that, seriously, when the hell have you ever played defense?

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ogvWn9d3vOI/UFM1MUfdvLI/AAAAAAAAC6U/Trx0ekuDpbU/s1600/kobe-bryant-10.gif)

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers screw the Zen Master)
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 12, 2012, 10:31:18 PM
you have about 5 seconds to get in on the end of Heat-Rockets, it is awesome
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers screw the Zen Master)
Post by: Eric P on November 12, 2012, 10:35:12 PM
i am prepared for many emotions
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers screw the Zen Master)
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 12, 2012, 10:35:46 PM
that LeBron 3 is the shot of the year so far, win or lose
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers screw the Zen Master)
Post by: Eric P on November 12, 2012, 10:37:34 PM
seriously.

great fucking game.

i was super concerned 3 minutes into the first when Houston didn't even look like it was playing basketball, but they really stepped up after that first time out and played fucking hard. 

so good and they made Miami work for that shit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers screw the Zen Master)
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 12, 2012, 10:38:55 PM
they're fun to watch, alright. Just good enough to make it interesting.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers screw the Zen Master)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2012, 11:53:09 PM
Just got back from the Pistons game. Lord this team sucks. OKC was down 10 going into the fourth and still won pretty handily, despite the close score. They switched to a zone defense and the Pistons couldn't do shit

Westbrook...ugh. Almost never sets up the offense, just drives to the basket. Rarely gets back down court early to play defense...bleh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers screw the Zen Master)
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 13, 2012, 12:01:37 AM
in fairness if you were playing the Pistons, you'd just drive to the basket too
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers screw the Zen Master)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2012, 09:25:57 PM
Bynum
http://a.yfrog.com/img877/4435/8s9mk.jpg
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers screw the Zen Master)
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 14, 2012, 09:44:22 PM
Dude is so clearly just gonna take it easy all year until his knee is perfect, go out and dominate against tanking teams in March, and waltz off to a max contract elsewhere. There are something like 10-plus teams projected to have max-level cap space so he's pretty much guaranteed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers screw the Zen Master)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 15, 2012, 09:53:34 PM
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Smith is off to one of the best starts of his nine-year NBA career and on Thursday he cited a cutback in nightlife as one of the key reasons for his success.

"I'm not going to lie. The New York City nightlife pretty much got to me. I was going out pretty much every other night and not focused on the task at hand," a candid Smith told reporters in San Antonio after the Knicks' morning shootaround.

Smith said that a new, disciplined approach to practice has helped his performance for the 5-0 Knicks.


Quote
Said Smith: "Every day I'm getting into the gym, getting in as much work as I can. A lot of times previously in my career, I had negative energy coming into the gym, not wanting to be there, joking around, goofing off. This year, it's been more serious.


http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8637022/jr-smith-new-york-knicks-cutting-back-nightlife


Idiot.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers screw the Zen Master)
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 15, 2012, 10:04:11 PM
Everyone in the know always said Iverson was a terrible influence on those guys in Denver...guess this confirms it
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers screw the Zen Master)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 15, 2012, 10:50:10 PM
Not sure why the Knicks are so good early on...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers screw the Zen Master)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 15, 2012, 10:52:03 PM
lol @ Kidd almost throwing the game away
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers screw the Zen Master)
Post by: Beezy on November 15, 2012, 11:36:32 PM
 :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers screw the Zen Master)
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 16, 2012, 09:15:17 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 15, 2012, 10:50:10 PM
Not sure why the Knicks are so good early on...

Unsustainably hot 3pt shooting is a big part of it, so they will definitely drop a few spots in the rankings when that reverts to the mean. The defensive effort is stellar though, so I think Woodson may be the guy they were looking for all along.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers screw the Zen Master)
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 16, 2012, 09:25:29 PM
btw, for pilonv1 and any other users of the NBA Game Time app on the 360 - it got updated the other day and all my major issues with it have been fixed. No games are blacked out for me (so far...) and replays actually work, rather than just showing the 'GAME HAS ENDED title card endlessly. So booyah. It's such a killer app I may even get a new 360 'cause my old one is so noisy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers screw the Zen Master)
Post by: Steve Contra on November 17, 2012, 02:33:26 PM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/cool-new-lakers-coach-doesnt-make-team-play-defens,30433/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=standard-post:headline:default (http://www.theonion.com/articles/cool-new-lakers-coach-doesnt-make-team-play-defens,30433/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=standard-post:headline:default)
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers screw the Zen Master)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 17, 2012, 04:20:58 PM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/pistons-lose-to-elementary-school-girls-team-after,30401/ (http://www.theonion.com/articles/pistons-lose-to-elementary-school-girls-team-after,30401/)

Better one, for PD :rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers screw the Zen Master)
Post by: pilonv1 on November 18, 2012, 12:22:14 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on November 16, 2012, 09:25:29 PM
btw, for pilonv1 and any other users of the NBA Game Time app on the 360 - it got updated the other day and all my major issues with it have been fixed. No games are blacked out for me (so far...) and replays actually work, rather than just showing the 'GAME HAS ENDED title card endlessly. So booyah. It's such a killer app I may even get a new 360 'cause my old one is so noisy.

Yep it's much better now. The only thing I don't like is not being able to access all games form the calendar. And some replays still only get 2 bars of quality. But otherwise it's much better, and would prerfer to watch on 360 than anything else.
Title: The NBA thread (Lakers screw the Zen Master)
Post by: T-Short on November 18, 2012, 05:42:28 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 17, 2012, 04:20:58 PM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/pistons-lose-to-elementary-school-girls-team-after,30401/ (http://www.theonion.com/articles/pistons-lose-to-elementary-school-girls-team-after,30401/)

Better one, for PD :rofl

:lol


:(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers screw the Zen Master)
Post by: etiolate on November 18, 2012, 05:49:00 AM
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Most of Thirkell Elementary’s offense ran strictly through Thompson and point guard Megan Rivers, whom the Pistons struggled to keep up with because the fifth-grader can dribble with both hands and doesn’t have to look down at the ball to do so. On almost every possession, Rivers lobbed a high pass under the basket where only Thompson could reach it, allowing the nearly 5-foot-tall center to catch the ball and put up a shot from less than 5 feet away.

brilliant
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers screw the Zen Master)
Post by: naff on November 18, 2012, 11:32:15 PM
Massive Lakers - Rockets game at the moment. Surprised Lakers are holding out
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers screw the Zen Master)
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 19, 2012, 01:10:13 AM
The Celtics are so horrible even I'm having trouble watching. I am being lured away by the Clippers and the Grizz. Will try a few Bucks games since pilonv1 seems keen. I'm averaging 3 full games a day so far :lol    My schedule is just PERFECT for NBA addiction - the games start around the time my fam leaves for the day, the 360 goes on soon afterwards, and I just leave it on 'til I've seen all the games I want to see. I pity US fans who have to jump around between games 'cause they're all on at the same time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers screw the Zen Master)
Post by: pilonv1 on November 19, 2012, 06:11:16 AM
Bucks are so much fun. <3 Udoh & Sanders.

My schedule sucks for watching live. I'd be watching more games but the gf had a bit of a complain about it last weekend when I'd been watching live since 8pm EST and the Warriors game which started at 10:30pm EST went into double OT. Love switching between games on weekends.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 20, 2012, 09:36:50 PM
Do you feel a little gypped that the Game Time app doesn't have cheevs though? I'd max that shit out for real. Clippers did work against the Spurs again last night...Chris Paul has most of his athleticism back now. He even dunked in transition last night, which i haven't seen him do in years.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 20, 2012, 09:38:45 PM
ALthough it is kinda funny how he ALWAYS calls his own number in tight games, despite his rep as the 'consummate point guard who makes everyone better'....he just goes one on one and takes a long 2 pointer most of the time. He's really fucking good at it though. His handle is just so amazing
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on November 20, 2012, 09:43:50 PM
Simmons always describes Paul as keeping his teammates involved and engaged for 46 minutes, then taking over in the last 2, which sounds about right.

And yeah, "improving teammates by sharing the ball" sounds like something the quant nerds would debunk, but seeing a couple hundred of the Wizards' Arenas-era games make me give it a bit of credence.  I'd expect to see teammates of Paul or Nash show livelier movement off the ball and more readiness to receive a pass, at least.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 20, 2012, 10:04:07 PM
It's weird that he can spent the game getting teammates easy looks, then insists on taking a difficult shot himself though. It's ego, it has to be. But as I said, he is really fucking good at it - his 4Q PER last year was 41 or something insane....And the Clips are so good this year that he won't be in many of those tight games. Bledsoe is a BEAST right now, just a beast. He'll be ready to start - they might have real problems holding onto him. OTOH, if Paul bolts in free agency. Bledsoe can take over. (I have no expectations for Billups - after the Achilles goes, players are usually done. I don't know why everyone talks like him coming back is going to be a big deal).
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on November 20, 2012, 10:11:31 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on November 20, 2012, 09:36:50 PM
Do you feel a little gypped that the Game Time app doesn't have cheevs though? I'd max that shit out for real. Clippers did work against the Spurs again last night...Chris Paul has most of his athleticism back now. He even dunked in transition last night, which i haven't seen him do in years.

10G - Watch every second of a Washington Wizards game
20G - Watch a 20 point blowout of your selected team without fast forwarding
200G - Watch every game in the 2012-12 NBA Season
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 20, 2012, 10:22:53 PM
catching up on that Dallas-GSW game from the other night

'We just got word that Vince Carter is doubtful to return from that right hamstring injury' - AAHHHHHH, I will miss Vince so much. No elite athlete has ever taken better care of his own body ...on the court
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on November 20, 2012, 10:35:25 PM
To be fair, it's not just CP.  Your Best Player Has To Take The Last Shot In A Close Game is probably the last thing that the quant geeks will kill, if they ever do.  It's not just the elite players who seem to think that, but the coaches and sports media too.

I mean, San Antonio might actually run a set play to get a good shot at the end of a game, but that's the Spurs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on November 20, 2012, 10:43:42 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on November 20, 2012, 10:22:53 PM
catching up on that Dallas-GSW game from the other night

How was the video quality for you? Was 1 bar on 360 and terrible on PC for me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 21, 2012, 05:35:17 AM
Great. I only ever have bad video when using this little Acer net-top I have. On a good PC/Mac, 360 or iPad it's almost always great. The 360 is fast becoming the only way I watch it though...they just need a few more tweaks and it will be perfect.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on November 21, 2012, 07:29:10 AM
Usually it's been fine for me but that game specifically was horrible.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers screw the Zen Master)
Post by: Eric P on November 21, 2012, 07:43:15 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on November 16, 2012, 09:25:29 PM
btw, for pilonv1 and any other users of the NBA Game Time app on the 360 - it got updated the other day and all my major issues with it have been fixed. No games are blacked out for me (so far...) and replays actually work, rather than just showing the 'GAME HAS ENDED title card endlessly. So booyah. It's such a killer app I may even get a new 360 'cause my old one is so noisy.

nice

i was actually just watching everything through a computer i have hooked up to the PC and that was working well enough
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Eric P on November 21, 2012, 09:02:56 PM
 :-\jesus houston
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on November 21, 2012, 09:24:32 PM
McFail ran Harden into the ground
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Eric P on November 21, 2012, 09:28:17 PM
looks like houston is going to be the new location of Hostess's turnover factory

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Eric P on November 21, 2012, 10:29:08 PM
wooooo

good final quarter.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on November 22, 2012, 04:04:55 AM
lolkers
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on November 22, 2012, 05:07:02 AM
Didn't catch this until I saw it on Shaqtin' A Fool

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCwZ6jc9RuA

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Eric P on November 22, 2012, 07:44:39 AM
 :lol
nice
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 23, 2012, 11:47:22 PM
So why was Mike Brown fired again?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: naff on November 24, 2012, 12:37:03 AM
Houston :bow2

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 24, 2012, 11:51:39 AM
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/8667785/los-angeles-lakers-pau-gasol-wants-more-touches-post

Oh Lakers.  ::)


The Knicks seem to be coming back down to earth also.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 24, 2012, 06:52:52 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8671136/andrew-bynum-philadelphia-76ers-indefinitely


Quote
PHILADELPHIA—Speaking to reporters after suffering a setback with lingering injuries, 76ers center Andrew Bynum admitted Wednesday that the intense pain in his knees was completely worthwhile considering all the misery it’s causing the Philadelphia fanbase. “I’d easily take a full season of this to just keep watching all these assholes crying and whining on message boards,” said Bynum, adding that every bitching sports talk radio host makes him wish he could go through surgery all over again. “Do you think I would have admitted that I hurt myself while bowling if it wasn’t this fun to make these Philly fans suffer? God, this is way better than trying to bring these awful people a championship.” As of press time, the Eagles have announced they will re-sign head coach Andy Reid to a four-year deal just to see the look on their fucking fans’ faces.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/andrew-bynum-admits-pain-in-knees-small-price-to-p,30482/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 24, 2012, 08:52:14 PM
:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on November 25, 2012, 01:13:39 AM
(http://cjzero.com/gifs/BarnesDunksOnPek.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Eric P on November 25, 2012, 04:07:13 AM
today i am going to go see the nets and the trail blazers play

it will be my first live basketball experience
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on November 25, 2012, 04:47:54 AM
Looks better in full motion from the other angle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2WD-exDgdU
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 25, 2012, 12:27:47 PM
The Ray Allen pick up was so nice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULLVv8OUO98
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Eric P on November 25, 2012, 07:54:49 PM
that game was a bit of a disappointment.  brooklyn had a meh 1st half and average second half.  Portland just seemed to give up in the second.

the new center is nice, but jesus christ too much Biggie Kanye and Jay-Z as game music.  Thank god there are so many hip hop tracks that mention Brooklyn by name making the "djs" job much easier but it felt like i was stuck in a hot97 set the way they kept playing the same song snippets over and over and over again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on November 26, 2012, 02:03:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD3-B2pTE9g

:bow BORN READY :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 27, 2012, 02:06:02 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/MdKke.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 27, 2012, 02:26:36 PM
tell me that's a fucking joke
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 27, 2012, 02:33:28 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 27, 2012, 02:26:36 PM
tell me that's a fucking joke

The final score was 114-69.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 27, 2012, 02:42:06 PM
jesus christ :rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 27, 2012, 03:24:12 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 27, 2012, 02:06:02 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/MdKke.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/lAZ1L.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 27, 2012, 03:45:15 PM
To be fair the Bobcats are 7-6 right now and this is a team that went 7-59 last season. So its all about perspective.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on November 27, 2012, 05:35:39 PM
They have a better record than the Lakers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on November 28, 2012, 12:25:41 AM
First time doing this fantasy thing and I need a 2nd opinion. Which trade would be better: giving up Wade for Calderon and Scola or for Calderon and Gallinari? A third option would be Evan Turner and Iguodala but that's my least favorite at the moment.

I never wanted Wade in the first place. I wasn't near a computer for my first pick and he's what the gave me. :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on November 28, 2012, 12:34:49 AM
Those first two trades are pretty terrible. The Turner/Iguodala one is much better since both play regular minutes.

But it just depends on what stats you need, the rest of your team and what scoring system you are using.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on November 28, 2012, 12:50:12 AM
I'm not even sure if he'll agree to give up Turner/Iggy. I know the first dude is willing to give up those 3 players though. He's already made 2 offers since the season started.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 28, 2012, 01:09:36 AM
Kobe scored 40 tonight but the Lakers only scored 77 total and lose on a last second drive to the basket. Karma is a bitch.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 28, 2012, 01:14:10 AM
(http://imageshack.us/a/img862/3834/whooz.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 28, 2012, 01:34:26 AM
Glad i decided to give that Bucks-Bulls game a go the other night, what a completely insane comeback by the bench guys. Skiles rode them to the end :rock
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 28, 2012, 01:35:31 AM
(http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1321811/JOEY-CRAWFORD.gif)
lakers  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 28, 2012, 01:40:59 AM
joey Crawford is a fucking hack
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on November 29, 2012, 12:12:43 AM
Dallas signing Derek Fisher :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Robo on November 29, 2012, 12:53:06 AM
The Wizards won.  It was bound to happen eventually, I guess.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 29, 2012, 08:46:18 PM
What the hell is going on with the Spurs?

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8692304/san-antonio-spurs-sit-4-top-5-scorers-vs-miami-heat

Actually, that's cool with me. Fuck Stern
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on November 29, 2012, 08:52:36 PM
It's only an issue because the game is on TNT
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 29, 2012, 08:55:09 PM
Quote from: pilonv1 on November 29, 2012, 08:52:36 PM
It's only an issue because the game is on TNT

:rofl

FUCK STERN EVEN MORE

:rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 29, 2012, 09:59:12 PM
Very cool move by Pop. What's the downside? The organization budgets for his fines I'm sure, so it's no skin off his ass. Tired starters are often worse than their bench, especially on a team like the Spurs that runs deep and runs very specific team offensive and defensive schemes.

The upside is fucking huge though - having your bench potentially beat Miami on their court on TNT. It is still a tight game!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 29, 2012, 10:19:14 PM
Wade is actually a great example of a tired/injured starter being a liability vs the bench - he just can't do the stuff he thinks he can do, and it's killing Miami.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 29, 2012, 11:14:50 PM
Offensively Miami has been amazing this year but defensively they've been pretty meh which is partially due to them not playing bigs very many minutes this year.

And Wade is obviously still a great player but I think this is the first year where people are kind of clearly seeing he is not at his peak anymore.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 29, 2012, 11:43:33 PM
I am suspicious about his running form, actually. He's as bad a heel striker as I've seen in the NBA, that has to have something to do with all those injuries. LeBron on the other hand, runs really lightly and efficiently and is never injured.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Eric P on November 30, 2012, 10:04:57 AM
needs some vibrams
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 30, 2012, 09:44:41 PM
some old-school Converse hightops would do the trick. I strongly suspect that highly padded basketball shoes are like boxing gloves (which despite being designed to protect the opponent, let you punch harder by protecting your hands, counterintuitively) - they let you jump higher by cushioning the shock when you fall, but that actually leads to more injuries in the long run. But I wouldn't be lining up to try it over 82 games on a hardwood floor.
Title: Re: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: naff on November 30, 2012, 11:46:27 PM
Quote from: pilonv1 on November 29, 2012, 08:52:36 PM
It's only an issue because the game is on TNT

And Miami
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on December 01, 2012, 12:36:43 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/fgq97.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: naff on December 01, 2012, 01:06:05 AM
DWIGHT  :o  :lol

Quote from: Beezy on December 01, 2012, 12:36:43 AM
[img]http://i.imgur.com/fgq97.jpg[img]

:bow2 Expecting to hear Stern fines Duncan and Parker for this
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on December 01, 2012, 01:23:04 AM
Denver really isn't very good. Ty Lawson looks terrible.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 01, 2012, 01:26:46 PM
http://c.espnradio.com/audio/1271674/bsreport_2012-11-30-052214.mp3


Nate Silver on the bs report.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on December 03, 2012, 12:17:57 AM
:drudge

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 03, 2012, 12:24:57 AM
lakers are worse than hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: benjipwns on December 04, 2012, 07:55:15 PM
Quote
The New Orleans Hornets are expected to change their nickname to the Pelicans as early as the 2013-14 season, numerous sources told Yahoo! Sports.

The Hornets planned to change their nickname since Tom Benson, owner of the New Orleans Saints, purchased the team on April 14. Benson also owns the rights to the nickname Pelicans.

The Hornets also considered the nicknames Krewe (groups of costumed paraders in the annual Mardi Gras carnival in New Orleans) and Brass.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--nola-hornets-to-change-nickname-to-pelicans-231227843.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Steve Contra on December 04, 2012, 08:03:13 PM
Brass is actually a good name.  Pelicans is terrible, like Hornets terrible.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 04, 2012, 08:31:54 PM
'the Sinners' would have been cool, instant personality injection and the headlines just write themselves.

Got Nets-Thunder on now. Thunder offense still incendiary
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 04, 2012, 09:25:56 PM
Nets - Thunder is pretty hot, 4Q starting now
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 04, 2012, 09:34:30 PM
That's a worse name change than Bullets -> Wizards.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Beezy on December 04, 2012, 09:43:17 PM
Heat just gave the Wizards their second win of the season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: etiolate on December 04, 2012, 09:57:33 PM
Pelicans oh boy
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 04, 2012, 10:13:37 PM
ew that name sounds awful

new orleans brass woulda been awesome
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 04, 2012, 10:30:54 PM
then again, the Knickerbockers would have been the worst name ever if they'd had the internet back when they announced it. Now it's a classic. Who knows.

Rockets are abusing Hack-a-Dwight to awesome effect, close game
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2012, 11:21:28 PM
Quote from: Beezy on December 04, 2012, 09:43:17 PM
Heat just gave the Wizards their second win of the season.

I have a feeling the Heat are just going to sleep walk through the entire regular season and just wait to turn it on for the playoffs. That's the kind of team they are.

  :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2012, 11:24:24 PM
I'm kinda starting to believe Mike Brown really was just a scapegoat. The Lakers just seem to suck.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 04, 2012, 11:26:11 PM
Mike Brown wasn't a good coach, but he wasn't the problem with that team; he didn't deserve to be fired like that. D'Antonio hasn't been able to get the team off its ass either
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 04, 2012, 11:27:39 PM
Quote from: pilonv1 on December 03, 2012, 12:17:57 AM
:drudge

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:drudge :drudge

Giving up 40 and 34 in their last two fourth quarters.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 04, 2012, 11:33:25 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2012, 11:21:28 PM
Quote from: Beezy on December 04, 2012, 09:43:17 PM
Heat just gave the Wizards their second win of the season.

I have a feeling the Heat are just going to sleep walk through the entire regular season and just wait to turn it on for the playoffs. That's the kind of team they are.

  :-\

Why wouldn't they? I doubt they are too scared of the Knicks or the Nets taking their #1 seed or beating them in the playoffs. 80% effort should be fine 'til playoff time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2012, 11:42:01 PM
Quote from: pilonv1 on December 04, 2012, 11:27:39 PM
Quote from: pilonv1 on December 03, 2012, 12:17:57 AM
:drudge

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LOLKERS
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:drudge :drudge

Giving up 40 and 34 in their last two fourth quarters.

The rockets shot 37% for the game and 20% from 3 point range and Harden was 3 of 19 on the night and still won.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2012, 11:43:03 PM
I understand it. It just doesn't make them the most inspiring team to want to follow as a fan on a nightly basis. The heat I mean.

(http://i.imgur.com/09c2f.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 05, 2012, 01:08:33 AM
:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Bacchus7 on December 05, 2012, 07:00:35 PM
New Orleans Levees already a contracting company or something?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Steve Contra on December 05, 2012, 07:07:51 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 04, 2012, 10:30:54 PM
then again, the Knickerbockers would have been the worst name ever if they'd had the internet back when they announced it. Now it's a classic. Who knows.

Rockets are abusing Hack-a-Dwight to awesome effect, close game
Knickerbockers has a historical context and it's unique.  The Pelicans is just another animal name, and a bad one at that.  like the Hornets, Bobcats etc.  No one should think having a new animal name right now is a good idea.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Mandark on December 05, 2012, 07:11:34 PM
Can't they just be the Jazz and have the Utah team be the Sister Wives or something?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Steve Contra on December 05, 2012, 07:15:54 PM
There was some rumors that in the negotiatins to get the Jazz name back things got ugly and there were pointless threats of lawsuits or some such that caused some bad blood and the whole thing was shelved.  Utah Jazz doesn't make a lick of sense, but at least it has nonsense working for it.  The Pelicans makes sense in a "who gives a fuck" sort of way.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Mandark on December 05, 2012, 07:31:03 PM
At this point the Utah Jazz is like the LA Lakers: a name that made sense before the franchise moved, which is now ironic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owens_Lake) if anything, but the team itself has enough history that you wouldn't want to change it.  If the Jazz get good you'd like to see some continuity with the Stockton/Malone days.

I'm with BrandNew on the name.  Even though I usually don't like singular team names, the New Orleans Brass would be much better.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 05, 2012, 08:05:06 PM
Pelicans is straight D-League
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Mandark on December 05, 2012, 08:13:43 PM
When the Bullets were going to change their name, one of the five finalists was the Sea Dogs.

Yeah, I don't know either.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Steve Contra on December 05, 2012, 08:25:54 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 05, 2012, 08:05:06 PM
Pelicans is straight D-League
Yup.  It speaks to nothing, needs to be explained, is dumb.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 05, 2012, 08:28:39 PM
I guess pelicans can be pretty terrifying though


if you're a fish
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 05, 2012, 09:15:59 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/jHZgS.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 05, 2012, 09:28:22 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 05, 2012, 09:15:59 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/jHZgS.jpg)

Who's that handsome fella?  :lenowned
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Eric P on December 05, 2012, 09:54:56 PM
moar like pelican't pick a good name, amirite!?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 05, 2012, 10:29:30 PM
you can't tuna fish but a pelican
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 06, 2012, 12:27:37 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 05, 2012, 08:05:06 PM
Pelicans is straight D-League

No worse than the Heat or Thunder.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 06, 2012, 12:36:11 AM
Not my team so I don't actually really care but Pelicans is pretty awful. I just have a hard time seeing kids all around the nation asking their parents for "pelican" gear.

Sports Team names should either be ferocious, or iconic, or the very first thing when you think of a city. (Ignoring the weirdo ones that have become iconic because a team moved from somewhere else with it)

The Miami Dolphins is kinda of a weird name but dolphins are iconic in our culture. Pelicans aren't. It's like naming your team after the state flower or something.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 06, 2012, 09:55:47 AM
I don't mind the name, but I think it would be a disaster from a merchandising standpoint. I can't imagine any 18 year old kid wanting to wear pelican gear. Unless he was being ironic.

Stern said in an interview there were 4 other team names that were approved, so they might switch it up if the backlash is bad.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 06, 2012, 01:25:45 PM
Quote from: pilonv1 on December 06, 2012, 12:27:37 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 05, 2012, 08:05:06 PM
Pelicans is straight D-League

No worse than the Heat or Thunder.

 ???

Heat and Thunder are fine names. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Steve Contra on December 06, 2012, 01:36:29 PM
Heat is pretty awful.  Thunder is better but still too generic.  But they play in Oklahoma City so it fits.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 06, 2012, 03:14:21 PM
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/entertainment/celebrities_gossip/Iverson-talkin-bout-finance-in-divorce-court-Says-he-loses-300Kmonth.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 06, 2012, 03:22:12 PM
Quote
Iverson says monthly expenses cost him about $360,000 per month while he brings in income of $62,500 per month.

:dizzy

Quote
A.I. reports that he spends $10,000 a month on clothes, $10,000 on groceries, $1,000 on dry cleaning and $10,000 per month on restaurants (It’s unclear how much is spent at T.G.I. Friday’s) and entertainment.

:dizzy :dizzy
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 06, 2012, 03:35:24 PM
I can believe that to a degree, although he's obviously also trying to cop out of child support/divorce shit. When he was in Detroit he got banned from a couple casinos downtown for extravagant bullshit. He also literally throws out most clothes after wearing them once
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 06, 2012, 04:03:26 PM
10k on fucking groceries?

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 06, 2012, 05:08:12 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on December 06, 2012, 04:03:26 PM
10k on fucking groceries?

On top of $10k for restaurants! :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 06, 2012, 05:46:40 PM
Knicks versus Heat tonight on TNT.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Beezy on December 06, 2012, 06:49:56 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 06, 2012, 05:46:40 PM
Knicks versus Heat tonight on TNT.
Both teams have a bunch of injured players right now. Smh.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 06, 2012, 08:27:32 PM
arse, was amped for this Knicks-Heat game 'til i found out Melo was injured. Miami will be on cruise control again. Although there is potential for JR Smith hilarity after his (awesome) game-winner last night
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Beezy on December 06, 2012, 10:51:49 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 06, 2012, 08:27:32 PM
arse, was amped for this Knicks-Heat game 'til i found out Melo was injured. Miami will be on cruise control again. Although there is potential for JR Smith hilarity after his (awesome) game-winner last night
:teehee :teehee :teehee
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 06, 2012, 11:43:16 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 06, 2012, 08:27:32 PM
arse, was amped for this Knicks-Heat game 'til i found out Melo was injured. Miami will be on cruise control again. Although there is potential for JR Smith hilarity after his (awesome) game-winner last night

:lol at least the Miami part was right for the wrong reasons
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 07, 2012, 01:26:42 AM
it was certainly non-competitive! :lol

I note that I did actually watch the thing 'cause ya never know. I just was disappointed not to see LeBron vs the new Melo

also, how long before people stop throwing oops to D-Wade
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 08, 2012, 10:41:19 PM
Mayo > Harden

:patel
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 09, 2012, 01:36:04 AM
:bow Draymond Green :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 09, 2012, 08:19:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOA6DPaZqug

:fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 09, 2012, 08:21:39 PM
smh

The clip of Gilbert Arenas playing in China is too sad even to post.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 09, 2012, 11:34:08 PM
The Lakers look fucking awful and so does Dwight Howard.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 10, 2012, 02:21:13 AM
Kobe with 0 rebounds, couple assists. All he does is jack shots lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 10, 2012, 02:53:47 AM
No Nash, no Pau, half a Dwight, no bench...yeah they're atrocious relative to what I expected. The bench is the only thing you can really blame the front office for though. It's mystifyingly weak after being a contender for years now. You have to think a few veterans will sign up on the cheap if they pick up in a couple of months but they may be consigned to the 8th seed or something even then. They're like 8 games back of the Grizz now!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 10, 2012, 03:13:39 AM
It's rare that karma does such a quick retribution. For all his shenanigans last year, Dwight will have to endure the insufferable carping of Kobe all year.

 :)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 10, 2012, 03:21:30 AM
Stan Van looks like a genius now. Dwight & a bunch of average players were better than Kobe + Dwight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 10, 2012, 03:38:26 AM
on the other hand, he's still more useful than Bynum
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Eric P on December 10, 2012, 08:10:02 PM
Harden is out.

so Spurs by 40?

oh god why am i going to watch this happen again?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 10, 2012, 08:19:28 PM
Heat-Hawks looks like more of a game!

Might be fun to see what Lin can do if he gets the ball occasionally. He's been seriously marginalized this season. Then again he can't shoot or finish the way he did last season, presumably due to the injury.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 10, 2012, 09:02:53 PM
Rockets are kicking ass actually...good to see Lin make some shots
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 10, 2012, 10:30:57 PM
still a great game! OT Alert!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 10, 2012, 11:15:38 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 10, 2012, 09:02:53 PM
Rockets are kicking ass actually...good to see Lin make some shots

I was just going to make a post last night about how basically the Knicks have gotten the better of the deal so far. Felton has been playing a lot better than lin so far in the season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 10, 2012, 11:53:59 PM
The comparison is badly skewed by 1) Lin coming off injury and suddenly having to give the ball to Harden and play a weird role; and 2) Felton recovering from being a fatass and being given the keys to the NYC offense (Melo still uses a lot of possessions but he's no longer a black hole). Reality is both teams are happy with who they have.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 11, 2012, 02:39:07 AM
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 11, 2012, 02:41:32 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/JfW6Y.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2012, 02:42:12 AM
Mark Jackson is coaching GS right? Seems like one of the few tv analysts/forme players who is having some success as a coach, although admittedly I don't follow NBA basketball much

spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: benjipwns on December 11, 2012, 02:48:46 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bev1n3-Y9B8

Not NBA related really but still pretty solid work:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-MW5tkTWtQ
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 11, 2012, 06:13:44 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2012, 02:42:12 AM
Mark Jackson is coaching GS right? Seems like one of the few tv analysts/forme players who is having some success as a coach,

:lol

Quote
although admittedly I don't follow NBA basketball much

The team is succeeding in spite of him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 11, 2012, 09:35:14 PM
Lakers starting to get on a roll.  Hopefully the streak will be at least 10 games. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 11, 2012, 09:46:15 PM
lolkers
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 11, 2012, 09:50:29 PM
LOL at LA sports radio talking about 70 wins before season began
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 11, 2012, 09:51:36 PM
I think the whole team is just tired of doing Kobe's dirty work and being his scapegoats

Everyone looks lackluster when he's taking his 25 shots
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 11, 2012, 10:45:59 PM
Blake is on form tonight...try to catch the highlights at least. Dunkin' on errrbody
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 11, 2012, 11:24:23 PM
Lakers just baffle me. I logically understand the issues of that team. Lack of depth, outside shooting, etc. But they still shouldn't be this bad. This seems far worse than the way the Heat started off that first year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 12, 2012, 12:00:46 AM
I knew the Cavs were going to win tonight if Irving played. Shame I missed it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 12, 2012, 12:08:36 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfLpgQMtwpk
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 12, 2012, 02:10:33 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 11, 2012, 11:24:23 PM
Lakers just baffle me. I logically understand the issues of that team. Lack of depth, outside shooting, etc. But they still shouldn't be this bad. This seems far worse than the way the Heat started off that first year.

Maybe the one the press hasn't really focused on yet is terrible, terrible defense on the perimeter despite Mr Perennial All NBA Defensive Team there. Kobe hasn't guarded anyone in a good 5 years, Morris hasn't a clue, Nash won't help, and Dwight, while he can protect the rim, isn't agile or fast enough to get out to the perimeter then recover.

But I agree. It seems like there is some negative synergy that is making them even worse than you'd expect a team with just Kobe and half a good center to be.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 12, 2012, 02:12:31 AM
Dwight looks pretty unhappy

no touches + no wins= no Superman?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 12, 2012, 02:16:33 AM
I think he is discovering that SVG was a pussycat compared to Kobe
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 12, 2012, 02:50:11 PM
The two most annoying people in the universe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STt32vWt20c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvKgswUiwWk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIqgOz_x8oI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSOpNu7c_Xg
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 12, 2012, 03:29:04 PM
If you put LeBron on that team they'd be the best team in the west. Seems like more evidence that Kobe doesn't make his team mates better. It also tells me Dwight Howard is a joke who needs to go to a big man camp.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 12, 2012, 03:57:44 PM
nba-gaf is delicious to read when the lakers sucks

when lebron wins a second championship this year it'll be even more delicious
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: etiolate on December 12, 2012, 04:05:29 PM
i get the feeling its the laker fans that make certain people hate nba-gaf

Anyways, I didn't really understand the D'Antoni system with a roster that old and that lacking in a bench. Even wtih Nash, I'm not sure how they keep the pace up.

Also, Alvin Gentry has already gotten a vote of confidence from Suns ownership. That's normally a death kiss for a coach. I think he's a damned good coach though. Probably better for the Lakers than D'Antoni is. I would love him on the Kings.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 12, 2012, 05:45:23 PM
no, I think he's suggesting adding lebron there instead of dwight
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 12, 2012, 07:13:35 PM
No I'm talking about replacing Kobe with LeBron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 12, 2012, 07:43:17 PM
oh nvm then
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 12, 2012, 08:41:11 PM
Well, I suppose we could just totally ignore the entire history of the Cleveland Cavaliers with LeBron, and the fact that he's way better now and can play any position or do anything you need him to on either end of the court

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 12, 2012, 08:43:30 PM
All a moot point anyway of course. Pau is coming back, Nash is coming back, they still got the best of the deal by far with Dwight vs Bynum this season...all they need to do is focus hard on building some kind of bench before the trade deadline and they'll be at worst a terrifying 8th seed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 12, 2012, 09:14:30 PM
oh shut the fuck up shinobi
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 12, 2012, 09:23:52 PM
it's just that no-one really gives a shit?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 12, 2012, 09:34:44 PM
apropos of nothing - Did anyone else actually hear Jeff Van Gundy say during the loss to the Knicks that the Nets 'really missed Brook Lopez's interior defense and shot-blocking'?

I seriously did a spit-take, although Lopez has improved somewhat in those areas this year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 12, 2012, 09:44:38 PM
don't forget Kobe's clutch gene and willingness to take the big shots

u can't quantify that
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 12, 2012, 10:36:26 PM
sup Miami

Draymond Green yall
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 12, 2012, 11:19:34 PM
Quote from: pilonv1 on December 12, 2012, 10:36:26 PM
sup Miami

Draymond Green yall
:bow

Loved watching him at MSU
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 12, 2012, 11:32:25 PM
He's quickly becoming my favourite Warrior. Even ahead of Klay.

It used to be Biedrins before Nellie beat the confidence out of him :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 13, 2012, 03:01:49 PM
Lakers versus Knicks on TNT tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 13, 2012, 03:58:26 PM
oh god I hope melo drops like 40 right over kobe
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 13, 2012, 04:04:10 PM
I just hate the lakers, much like I hate the yankees.  seeing them flounder is the greatest of schadenfreude
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 13, 2012, 06:46:51 PM
I respect Kobe as a great b-ball player at times but he's certainly not one of the superstars I root for in the league. Way too arrogant for my tastes.  But hey, I like Lebron and the Heat so glass houses and all that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 13, 2012, 08:16:12 PM
I was a Kobe fan back when he came off the bench, but he kinda lost me after the Shaq flap (not that Shaq was innocent of course). He has never been able to convince me subsequently that he cared about winning half as much as about looking good and bathing in individual glory. He also throws people under the bus way too often to be any kind of good teammate or leader IMHO. He has been fun as hell to watch for a long time though, love to root against him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 13, 2012, 08:22:39 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 13, 2012, 08:16:12 PM
He also throws people under the bus way too often


this
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 13, 2012, 08:35:26 PM
Lakers defense.  :poop


How can you be so bad on defense with Dwight Howard...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 13, 2012, 08:42:10 PM
Carmelo 22 points in the first quarter.  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 13, 2012, 08:42:47 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on December 13, 2012, 08:34:40 PM
If I have to say something nice about LeBron, it's that he's resisted the temptation to throw guys like Drew Gooden and Daniel Gibson under the bus, even though he easily could.

because everyone loves it so much when you respond to Kobe hate with LeBron hate
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 13, 2012, 08:43:27 PM
ugh, missed all the games so far. Is the Knicks one what I should be watching? Without spoiling if possible?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 13, 2012, 08:45:09 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 13, 2012, 08:43:27 PM
ugh, missed all the games so far. Is the Knicks one what I should be watching? Without spoiling if possible?

Without saying the score I think you can tell how its going so far by the posts.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 13, 2012, 08:47:40 PM
Melo good god

Howard :rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 13, 2012, 08:57:25 PM
If this game continues at this pace, it wouldn't shock me if they fired D'Antoni after the game and I'm not exaggerating. This is embarrassing shit right now. The Lakers don't even look like a basketball team in this game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 13, 2012, 09:07:57 PM
I think Dan Tony will "walk" before he gets fired.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 13, 2012, 09:14:22 PM
Knicks rebounding is bad. They give up a lot of offensive rebounds.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 13, 2012, 09:15:21 PM
Luckily the Lakers don't do anything well
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 13, 2012, 09:22:48 PM
watching a stream, it's halftime. Ayo how has Shaq worked out with TNT? Back when I had cable I loved the chemistry Charles and the gang had, and I always assumed someone like Shaq could be added and fit perfectly. But I haven't seen any TNT basketball since he joined. Is it working well? I remember hearing it started not-so-good
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 13, 2012, 09:23:14 PM
Shaq is turrible on TNT and I don't even watch it that much. Webber was so much better.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 13, 2012, 09:24:27 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 13, 2012, 09:22:48 PM
watching a stream, it's halftime. Ayo how has Shaq worked out with TNT? Back when I had cable I loved the chemistry Charles and the gang had, and I always assumed someone like Shaq could be added and fit perfectly. But I haven't seen any TNT basketball since he joined. Is it working well? I remember hearing it started not-so-good

In general I don't think TNT is as good as it use to be and that includes Charles but yeah Shaq isn't really a good fit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 13, 2012, 09:25:32 PM
I said wow. Amazing how far the stat heads have come in basketball.

Quote
Grizzlies hire John Hollinger
Updated: December 13, 2012, 7:30 PM ET


John Hollinger, a fixture of ESPN.com's coverage of the NBA for the past eight seasons and one of the leaders in basketball's rising statistical analysis movement in the past decade, is leaving his role as a columnist to become the vice president of basketball operations for the Memphis Grizzlies.

Best known for hatching the formula behind every player's Player Efficiency Rating (PER) -- which attempts to quantify player performance through the use of an all-in-one rating -- Hollinger will begin work as a senior executive in the Grizzlies' basketball department next week.

"It's incredibly difficult to leave ESPN, but the chance to work for an NBA team and the Grizzlies' new ownership was an irresistible opportunity," Hollinger said Thursday.

Hollinger was recruited to the Grizzlies by new controlling owner Robert Pera and CEO/managing partner Jason Levien, who have made upgrading Memphis' analytics department one of their front-office priorities. The Grizzlies also hired Stu Lash on Thursday as their director of player personnel and basketball development.

"We are thrilled to have John and Stu join the Grizzlies," Levien said in a release. "Both of these individuals will provide innovative and unique perspectives that bolster the organization's future."

Sources close to the situation told ESPN.com that the move won't change the status of Grizzlies general manager Chris Wallace but added that Hollinger will be a "prominent voice in the team's front office beyond providing statistical analysis."

Hollinger, 41, founded the website "Alleyoop" in 1996 to launch his online career as a basketball sabermetrician and authored a series of books originally known as the "Pro Basketball Prospectus" and later titled "Pro Basketball Forecast."

He went on to work for The Oregonian newspaper's online site (OregonLive.com) and served as the NBA editor of Sports Illustrated's online site (SI.com) before joining ESPN.com in February 2005.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 13, 2012, 09:29:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H008I590stc
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: naff on December 13, 2012, 09:36:55 PM
 :lol Poor Lakers, lot of my friends are either Celtics or Lakers fans. Neither are really enjoying this years league. I'm a filthy turncoat, not particularly into any one franchise. This year I guess I'm most into Thunder, Jazz and Spurs :bow2 haven't been franchise loyal since I was a kid and collected Lakers cards. Never even been to the states so it always felt a bit fake

Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 13, 2012, 08:43:27 PM
ugh, missed all the games so far. Is the Knicks one what I should be watching? Without spoiling if possible?

Only a few on today. Will prob watch some Spurs - Blazers later if I have time, can't imagine Bobcats - Hawks was very good. Spurs - Jazz was good yesterday too
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 13, 2012, 09:40:31 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 13, 2012, 09:25:32 PM
I said wow. Amazing how far the stat heads have come in basketball.

Quote
Grizzlies hire John Hollinger
Updated: December 13, 2012, 7:30 PM ET


John Hollinger, a fixture of ESPN.com's coverage of the NBA for the past eight seasons and one of the leaders in basketball's rising statistical analysis movement in the past decade, is leaving his role as a columnist to become the vice president of basketball operations for the Memphis Grizzlies.

Best known for hatching the formula behind every player's Player Efficiency Rating (PER) -- which attempts to quantify player performance through the use of an all-in-one rating -- Hollinger will begin work as a senior executive in the Grizzlies' basketball department next week.

"It's incredibly difficult to leave ESPN, but the chance to work for an NBA team and the Grizzlies' new ownership was an irresistible opportunity," Hollinger said Thursday.

Hollinger was recruited to the Grizzlies by new controlling owner Robert Pera and CEO/managing partner Jason Levien, who have made upgrading Memphis' analytics department one of their front-office priorities. The Grizzlies also hired Stu Lash on Thursday as their director of player personnel and basketball development.

"We are thrilled to have John and Stu join the Grizzlies," Levien said in a release. "Both of these individuals will provide innovative and unique perspectives that bolster the organization's future."

Sources close to the situation told ESPN.com that the move won't change the status of Grizzlies general manager Chris Wallace but added that Hollinger will be a "prominent voice in the team's front office beyond providing statistical analysis."

Hollinger, 41, founded the website "Alleyoop" in 1996 to launch his online career as a basketball sabermetrician and authored a series of books originally known as the "Pro Basketball Prospectus" and later titled "Pro Basketball Forecast."

He went on to work for The Oregonian newspaper's online site (OregonLive.com) and served as the NBA editor of Sports Illustrated's online site (SI.com) before joining ESPN.com in February 2005.

whoa. Will be interesting to see how this goes
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 13, 2012, 09:59:16 PM
must have cormac's opinion on hollinger's hire

also lol lakers
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 13, 2012, 10:24:20 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 13, 2012, 08:45:09 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 13, 2012, 08:43:27 PM
ugh, missed all the games so far. Is the Knicks one what I should be watching? Without spoiling if possible?

Without saying the score I think you can tell how its going so far by the posts.

Yeah.

Really enjoying watching the Knicks now. Crazy how this team has come together. I mean, they're basically playing D'Antoni ball with much the same level of personnel :lol

I really like Woodson's demeanour though. When you hear him talking to guys on the bench or coming in or out, he always projects calm confidence and encouragement at them. In particular, those who need it like JR Smith. He'll just pat them on the butt and say something like 'Good minutes boy' and the player looks like a dog that just got a sugarlump. What he said about JR was really interesting to me - he said he would make sure that JR was successful because he saw something he really liked there. I normally don't think the mental game is all that important, but for players like JR, it sure seems to be. Obviously he doesn't need to say much to the likes of Chandler or Kidd.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 13, 2012, 10:25:45 PM
OMG

HOLLINGER RUNNING A TEAM

AT LAST

Will miss the columns though. But plenty of other great stat-influenced writers have sprung up. Glad the Prof is gettin' paid and getting to test some theories.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 13, 2012, 11:03:38 PM
at least Lakers fans can rejoice in Kobe adding 10 extra meaningless pts in the last few minutes
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 13, 2012, 11:06:45 PM
Rob Parker, ladies and gentlemen. NFL focus but he's just as bad in basketball related shit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2G5GwnQMmE
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 13, 2012, 11:07:35 PM
Knicks D is really terrible.  I was anticipating a comeback early in the 3rd quarter because of how many layups and putbacks NY was giving up.  It's almost like NY wants the other team to score so they can get the ball back faster. 

It's amazing that they're on pace to win at least 55 playing like this. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 13, 2012, 11:35:11 PM
hey, that's how that high school kid (or whoever) scored 138...i'm sure Novacaine would love a shot at that :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 14, 2012, 12:42:12 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 13, 2012, 11:06:45 PM
Rob Parker, ladies and gentlemen. NFL focus but he's just as bad in basketball related shit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2G5GwnQMmE

He's a quarterback, with a roman numeral after his last name, who studied political science and has an endorsement deal with Castrol Motor Oil. He's just stating the obvious.


 :himu
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 14, 2012, 02:03:52 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 13, 2012, 10:25:45 PM
OMG

HOLLINGER RUNNING A TEAM

AT LAST

Will miss the columns though. But plenty of other great stat-influenced writers have sprung up. Glad the Prof is gettin' paid and getting to test some theories.

Quote
No. 6 clearly seems a stretch for Lillard, who looks more like a mid-to-late first-rounder in this analysis.

:teehee
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 14, 2012, 02:27:39 AM
Where did he place in your pre-draft analysis?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 14, 2012, 03:32:16 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 14, 2012, 02:27:39 AM
Where did he place in your pre-draft analysis?

(http://mrbaumannsclass.wikispaces.com/file/view/224_animated_ninja_disappearing.gif/68229413/224_animated_ninja_disappearing.gif)

I was right on Draymond Green though!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 14, 2012, 04:56:55 AM
The MVP voting has always been momentum-based rather than reality-based. Even MJ got jobbed multiple times. It's not something I lose any sleep about. Derrick Rose was not MY MVP but he's a great, exciting player who was certainly one of the best in the league.

The biggest issue with Melo for MVP though, is that Durant is basically better at the same stuff Melo does, got to the Finals, will likely win the scoring title and finish just as high as Melo in the standings (with a better win total). So the 'Not LeBron' vote could well be split closely between those two, ensuring LeBron gets his due again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: benjipwns on December 17, 2012, 01:11:14 AM
Saw this on RealGM:
(http://i.imgur.com/Iel3v.jpgp)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 17, 2012, 01:31:31 AM
hush your mouth, i don't care if it means a whitewash, i want Ricky Rubio
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 17, 2012, 06:17:23 PM
Two interesting games tonight although neither are on normal tv.

Houston at New York and San Antonio at Oklahoma City.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 17, 2012, 10:33:01 PM
:bow Lin :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 17, 2012, 10:40:10 PM
Linsanity probably read this before playing

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8754302/stephen-smith-new-york-knicks-better-jeremy-lin
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 17, 2012, 10:55:02 PM
Stephen A is an idiot so there is always that.

But Lin has been playing pretty poorly this season. You can attribute some of that to the new team, the injury, the addition of Harden, etc but his numbers were awful. Lately he's been getting better though and raising his FG% which was in the toilet early on mainly due to awful jump shooting.

You can't really judge the knicks tonight because Carmelo didn't play but in general I'm not sure what to make of the Knicks. They are clearly better than they were last year and the addition of Kidd seems to have elevated the locker-room professionalism and made passing contagious on the team which are always good things.

Their defense is still meh outside of Chandler. Their rebounding sucks. And any team that has to depend on JR Smith is asking for heartbreak. But then again its not like the Heat look perfect right now or anything and they have their own defensive issues. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 17, 2012, 10:58:52 PM
Lin was never an outside threat but I think he'd heat up if he was able to employ his drive and kick game more rather than being a spot-up shooter all the time. He seems much better physically than at the start of the season.

No matter what his ceiling though, there is no way he is challenging Harden's role as primary ballhandler and scorer, so they may as well either give him the bench microwave role now or look at trading him. He's too good to play alongside Harden all the time - his numbers soar when playing without him.

From True Hoop -

Lin’s role in the offense also shifts based on the personnel on the court. His usage percentage is 17.0 with James Harden on the court and 27.5 when Harden’s on the bench. Lin is averaging 14.3 points per 48 minutes with Harden on the floor and 26.3 points per 48 minutes with Harden on the bench.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 19, 2012, 12:33:52 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on December 19, 2012, 12:10:32 AM
Lakers are down 12, at home, to the 7-16 Bobcats.

This is just who they are. They aren't turning shit around, and it's doubtful they make the playoffs.

Looks like they've pulled ahead but yeah they have issues. I think they will make the playoffs though. Eventually they should be better than or at least in contention with Minnesota, Utah, or Denver.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Robo on December 19, 2012, 12:36:04 AM
The Wiz can't close fer nothin'.  I have a hard time believing this team is as bad as their record indicates—someone give me the statistical lowdown.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 19, 2012, 12:43:45 AM
Quote from: Robo on December 19, 2012, 12:36:04 AM
The Wiz can't close fer nothin'.  I have a hard time believing this team is as bad as their record indicates—someone give me the statistical lowdown.


Their offense is dreadful. 30th (last) in points per game and 30th in offensive fg %.

Pretty much every team statistic relating to offense they are wreteched.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2012, 02:00:11 AM
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NBA files trademarks for NOLA on Pelicans, Rougarou, Mosquitos, Swamp Dogs, Bullsharks.
:wtf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 19, 2012, 03:37:56 AM
LOLkers
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: etiolate on December 19, 2012, 04:00:22 AM
Lakers barely beat bobcats to remain a lottery team. Hawks and Warriors continue to win. Why are the Lakers the top story? because the NBA is sheeeeeeeeeeeeet.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 19, 2012, 04:06:49 AM
so unjust the way people keep being interested in what they're interested in, despite some teams being in smaller markets and therefore nobler
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 19, 2012, 04:07:28 AM
Lin should be a starter for another team.  Rockets do well with AND without him depending on Harden's status...maybe he has a role on the Bobcats.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Mandark on December 19, 2012, 04:12:58 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 19, 2012, 04:06:49 AM
so unjust the way people keep being interested in what they're interested in, despite some teams being in smaller markets and therefore nobler

A problem unique (http://www.google.com/#q=tim+tebow) to the NBA!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 19, 2012, 04:16:52 AM
Quote from: etiolate on December 19, 2012, 04:00:22 AM
Lakers barely beat bobcats to remain a lottery team. Hawks and Warriors continue to win. Why are the Lakers the top story? because the NBA is sheeeeeeeeeeeeet.

Hawks don't win when they play the Warriors :smug
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: etiolate on December 19, 2012, 04:40:21 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 19, 2012, 04:06:49 AM
so unjust the way people keep being interested in what they're interested in, despite some teams being in smaller markets and therefore nobler

warriors and hawks aren't smaller markets

Last year when the Pacers got to the playoffs and got far enough to get on ABC, the announcers actually had to address the audience with "well I guess a lot of you and us may be unfamiliar with the Pacers".

That's sad. This is a playoff team in pro sports. You don't have playoff teams in the NFL that the national audience is clueless about. You have that in the NBA because it's not just that they follow pre-scripted narratives, but that they do it to the exception of all else. What is actually going on in the league doesn't matter. You may have Tebow-mania in the NFL, but you will still have talk of the Seahawks even though they don't fit pre-season expectations.

Also, I am always willing to back up what I say.  I do get tired of shitting on people's poor replies.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 19, 2012, 05:19:12 AM
You know that the Bucks and Hawks are doing well (despite having quit watching the league many times!); so do I. You know that the Lakers are not doing well; so do I. The only problem is this misplaced concern about what OTHER people should be interested in.

The Lakers are headline news because they have a lot of interesting players, should be title contenders, but are not. This is unquestionably interesting, even if the actual games are horrible, disinterested blowouts for the most part. They have also won approx. half of all the available NBA championships to date, which has gained them a hell of a lot of fans and haters nationwide (in fact, globally).

The Bucks and Hawks, however unexpected their relative success, are still far from being contenders. Neither were the Pacers last year. Lots of League Passers have been pushing the Bucks as the most fun League Pass team this year - heard this on the Basketball Jones just yesterday, and pilonv1 has been pimping them for a while. And let's face it, it's still December. Only the hardcore are going to care at this point. You don't need to watch basketball all year to get the picture prior to the playoffs unless you actually enjoy it - you can just tune in after the All-Star break and still be totally set. With football, every game is an event. In basketball, there are no events until May really. If the Bucks are still going by then, the country will know about them. If not, why should they care, really?

If your point is that this is the fault of the League somehow, I put it to you that anyone in the world can now watch every Bucks or Hawks game, live or recorded, on damn near any device. They're holding up their end of the bargain. There are a gazillion bloggers and podcasters pointing out these teams too. If you are only going to watch the game of the night on Sportscenter, well, that's your prerogative. Basketball isn't THAT interesting that it is a national obligation to watch...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 19, 2012, 05:26:45 AM
I'm waiting for etiolate to start his basketball boycotts during the regular season...

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 19, 2012, 05:39:12 AM
mmm hmm

If one were to get upset on behalf of any team in recent years for this reason, it would be the Spurs you'd think. I mean, teams with multiple All Stars, the best coach in basketball, who had actually won something, and had the best record in the league was being basically written off and ignored for most of the past 3-4 seasons as being too old and too slow and too defensive-minded when they were playing the fastest most exciting offensive basketball in the league and winning like crazy. That's a cause I would maybe stand up for - in fact, I'm pretty sure I did so ITT. But there is more to making a team interesting than having them win a little bit more than expected, right?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 19, 2012, 05:41:52 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 19, 2012, 05:39:12 AM
mmm hmm

If one were to get upset on behalf of any team in recent years for this reason, it would be the Spurs you'd think. I mean, teams with multiple All Stars, the best coach in basketball, who had actually won something, and had the best record in the league was being basically written off and ignored for most of the past 3-4 seasons as being too old and too slow and too defensive-minded when they were playing the fastest most exciting offensive basketball in the league and winning like crazy. That's a cause I would maybe stand up for - in fact, I'm pretty sure I did so ITT. But there is more to making a team interesting than having them win a little bit more than expected, right?

Not if they're etoilet's team!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 19, 2012, 05:49:33 AM
Basketball for regular folks is a game about Superstars. It's why people focus on the big teams, especially when those teams have the big stars. Of course when small market teams get big players, like the Thunder or they become so good that ignoring them is impossible, that is when the media switches their focus. Its the way it is. I'm not even sure who Etiolate is complaining about per se outside of his blanket statement. The league. League promotion. Espn, etc.

The Lakers are the Yankees of basketball. They will always draw disproportionate interest. It's like complaining about everybody on Television shows being too pretty. Yeah its true. But we know this is the way the world operates. Outside of the local area in every sport except football most people only follow their local teams and the big "national" teams that crossover because of their history.

I don't follow baseball at all anymore. I never know who is doing well or not outside of my local team. But guess what. I can pretty much always tell you how the Yankees or Red Sox are doing simply by cultural osmosis.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 19, 2012, 06:20:48 AM
Quote from: etiolate on December 19, 2012, 04:40:21 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 19, 2012, 04:06:49 AM
so unjust the way people keep being interested in what they're interested in, despite some teams being in smaller markets and therefore nobler

warriors and hawks aren't smaller markets

I usually don't make that argument for the Warriors because they're not a big market for basketball. They're always behind the 49ers and Giants even in their own area, mostly because they've sucked.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Mandark on December 19, 2012, 08:11:22 AM
It ain't scientific, but the number of people "talking about this" according to Facebook:

Dallas Cowboys: 767,432
New England Patriots: 559,615
Pittsburgh Steelers: 432,584
Tom Brady: 198,310
Oakland Raiders: 151,528
Drew Brees: 110,060
Seattle Seahawks: 98,331
Cincinnati Bengals: 13,228
Jacksonville Jaguars: 12,529


All sports have glamour teams that get extra attention and have bigger fanbases because of history or market or semi-recent success or whatever.  All pro team sports have star players, including players with media coverage disproportionate to their talent, whose celebrity somewhat transcends their team.

This isn't a new or NBA-only phenomenon.  It's just sports.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 19, 2012, 08:39:28 AM
Let's just close our eyes for a moment and imagine a world in which a cruel axis of David Stern, ESPN and etoliate FORCES us to pay equal attention to the likes of the Hawks and the Bucks, and denies us the massive schadenfreude of watching 5 minutes of Hack-a-Dwight/Kobe Badgerface/'MWP for THREE, rebounded by xxx' playcalls and so forth

Is this really a world we want to live in
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 19, 2012, 08:58:55 AM
Quote from: etiolate on December 19, 2012, 04:40:21 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 19, 2012, 04:06:49 AM
so unjust the way people keep being interested in what they're interested in, despite some teams being in smaller markets and therefore nobler

warriors and hawks aren't smaller markets

Last year when the Pacers got to the playoffs and got far enough to get on ABC, the announcers actually had to address the audience with "well I guess a lot of you and us may be unfamiliar with the Pacers".

That's sad. This is a playoff team in pro sports. You don't have playoff teams in the NFL that the national audience is clueless about.
The NFL is insanely popular, every game is on national TV, fantasy football is kind of big, and there are only eight teams in the first round.

Obviously, there's a feedback loop in the NBA, as with all sports, in which popular players and teams get a ton of coverage and then that coverage makes those players and teams more popular. It's known as the Wrath-effect--and there's nothing you can do about it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 19, 2012, 09:05:35 AM
Not only does it make them more popular, but it also makes them more polarizing. So not only do they have more fans, but they have more haters that want to see them fail. The 'Notre Dame effect'.

Nobody is tuning into a Sacramento game to watch them fail.


Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 19, 2012, 06:10:09 PM
My enjoyment of sports is inversely proportional to the amount of ESPN I watch.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: etiolate on December 19, 2012, 06:12:42 PM
Quote from: pilonv1 on December 19, 2012, 06:20:48 AM
Quote from: etiolate on December 19, 2012, 04:40:21 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 19, 2012, 04:06:49 AM
so unjust the way people keep being interested in what they're interested in, despite some teams being in smaller markets and therefore nobler

warriors and hawks aren't smaller markets

I usually don't make that argument for the Warriors because they're not a big market for basketball. They're always behind the 49ers and Giants even in their own area, mostly because they've sucked.

True. I don't see a lot of Warriors gear around here, but I do see Raiders/Niners. Plus, the Oakland taint kind of hurts marketability. It will be interesting to see what happens if they get a SF city arena.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Steve Contra on December 19, 2012, 06:51:36 PM
They need to drop the "Golden State Warriors" name straight off.  People in Oakland don't give a fuck about them, and people in San Francisco don't either.  People in San Jose do for whatever reason.  Even moving to SF isn't going to help much though, because it's not really a Basketball area historically and will continue to not be so.  Giants, 49ers and Raiders more than do it for most people around here.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 19, 2012, 07:44:19 PM
The Warriors don't have much of a presence because they've either been bad or irrevelant for most of their history outside of the relatively old now TMC era. For most of the US the Warriors play in a timezone where we never get to see their games. I think if you were to ask the average person they would even know a team called the golden state warriors existed.

That being said I was actually impressed when I lived in Nocal about how passionate (and delusional) the hardcore fans were about that team. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Steve Contra on December 19, 2012, 07:48:23 PM
There's fans of every shitty team out there.  The funniest thing about the Warriors is how often I get asked why Oakland or San Francisco doesn't have an NBA team and when I tell people there is the Warriors the most common response? "I thought they were in San Diego"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 19, 2012, 07:51:21 PM
My impression is that Warriors fans (who actually go the games) are awesome, some of the most devoted in the league. They certainly make Hawks fans look awful.

Globally, well...they shoulda kept J-Lin :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Steve Contra on December 19, 2012, 07:55:54 PM
I don't know a single devoted Warrior's fan from SF or the East Bay.  South Bay?  Like 40 Phillipino dudes who go to a game a week.  I think the team would have been best off just to go to San Jose and rename their team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 19, 2012, 07:56:09 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on December 19, 2012, 07:48:23 PM
There's fans of every shitty team out there. 

True but my anecdotal experience was that Warriors fans were a lot more knowledgeable about their team and passionate about basketball. This is of course meaningless as any sort of real insight but every time I ran into warriors fan they had very strong ideas about their team. Which wasn't the case in some of the other cities I've been to.   But perhaps I was just running into a hotbeat of fans. I lived in Marin county at the time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2012, 09:10:50 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on December 19, 2012, 09:05:35 AM
Nobody is tuning into a Sacramento game to watch them fail.
This is why I watch Pistons games, sans-Drummond.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 19, 2012, 09:27:07 PM
The 2006 Warriors - Mavs series had some of the most electric crowds I've ever seen - damn shame they're never in the playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Beezy on December 19, 2012, 09:35:14 PM
Knicks :rock

Nets :teehee
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 19, 2012, 09:44:20 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 19, 2012, 09:27:07 PM
The 2006 Warriors - Mavs series had some of the most electric crowds I've ever seen - damn shame they're never in the playoffs.

They've been around 10th in attendance since then as well, despite winning 20-30 games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 19, 2012, 10:16:54 PM
real talk

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/kobe-bryant-ego-hampers-dwight-hoard-los-angeles-lakers-downfall-121812
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Mandark on December 19, 2012, 10:27:21 PM
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The problem is deeper than touches. It’s a mentality that a big man must have in order to lead his team. Dwight Howard must enter every NBA arena with this mindset: “If I don’t hunt and kill, no one eats tonight.”

Ah, the sports journalist as PUA.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 19, 2012, 10:41:39 PM
odd thing to object to Kobe doing, then
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Mandark on December 19, 2012, 10:50:33 PM
Whitlock's argument is that Dwight's the most talented at this point, so he should be the alpha.  And Kobe being the alpha keeps Dwight from being the alpha, which makes them bad.  Just like the Heat were bad the first year with LeBron when he wasn't being the alpha.  Even though he admits that Dwight needs to dominate on defense and the Lakers shouldn't necessarily change what they're doing on offense.  So Kobe can keep dominating the ball, so long as he yelling "this is your team, Dwight!" as he takes his 25th shot.  Or something.

Also that the Lakers historically succeed when led by a big man, in the Mikan/Wilt/Kareem/Shaq line.  Cause Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Magic Johnson and Kobe don't really matter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2012, 10:58:38 PM
Makes sense to me, let's make Dwight the alpha: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=8wl2lod
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Mandark on December 19, 2012, 11:02:36 PM
There's probably something very pithy to be said about Kobe playing for MJ.  So please pretend I said it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 19, 2012, 11:10:55 PM
I get what he's saying.  Big men tend to get lazy on D when they feel that they don't get enough touches. 

What's PUA?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 19, 2012, 11:31:00 PM
Guys, guys...the Bucks and the Hawks lost today and this is all you can talk about, smh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 19, 2012, 11:36:52 PM
Posting/discussing Jason Whitlock articles? What is this, 2008?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 19, 2012, 11:39:19 PM
PUA - pick-up artist, i.e. the only group of people on the planet other than sports journalists who still believe in alpha males
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2012, 11:39:51 PM
Anybody got anything from Jemele Hill?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 20, 2012, 05:40:10 AM
Terrible officiating in the Kings/Warriors game
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: etiolate on December 20, 2012, 06:39:37 AM
Don't expect good officiating in any game with Demarcus Cousins playing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 20, 2012, 07:16:17 AM
His "foul" on Lee was just as poor a call as the last two "fouls" on Curry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 20, 2012, 05:47:56 PM
Watched Knicks-Nets last night and Chandler had approximately 40 dunks.

(http://bit.ly/TayNrN)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 20, 2012, 07:38:10 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 19, 2012, 07:51:21 PM
My impression is that Warriors fans (who actually go the games) are awesome, some of the most devoted in the league. They certainly make Hawks fans look awful.

Atlanta fans make everyone look good.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Beezy on December 20, 2012, 08:13:42 PM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on December 20, 2012, 05:47:56 PM
Watched Knicks-Nets last night and Chandler had approximately 40 dunks.

(http://bit.ly/TayNrN)
:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 20, 2012, 08:25:34 PM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on December 20, 2012, 05:47:56 PM
Watched Knicks-Nets last night and Chandler had approximately 40 dunks.

(http://bit.ly/TayNrN)

DESTROY THE SMALLER MEDIA MARKETS TYSON
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2012, 08:28:40 PM
With Orlando's trade exceptions you can deal Hedo Turkoglu for Houston's entire roster except Asik.

Or include Al Harrington for all of it:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://i.imgur.com/VJw6u.png)
[close]
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 20, 2012, 08:51:59 PM
OMFG

KD just made a layup that rolled all the way across THE TOP OF THE BACKBOARD after crossing over a guy 10" shorter than him twice and going round half of Minny's team
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 20, 2012, 09:33:07 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 20, 2012, 08:51:59 PM
OMFG

KD just made a layup that rolled all the way across THE TOP OF THE BACKBOARD after crossing over a guy 10" shorter than him twice and going round half of Minny's team

After what was one of the most obvious charges in NBA history
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 20, 2012, 09:34:57 PM
We follow the same people on twitter
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 20, 2012, 09:39:58 PM
True :) I'm also watching the game, it was ridiculous.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 20, 2012, 09:44:58 PM
There is basically no point in posting here if you're on twitter - every conceivable reaction is broadcast instantaneously
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 20, 2012, 10:08:45 PM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on December 20, 2012, 05:47:56 PM
Watched Knicks-Nets last night and Chandler had approximately 40 dunks.

(http://bit.ly/TayNrN)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img215/8406/csl1w.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 21, 2012, 12:42:13 AM
Jabari Parker picked Duke :fbm

Grats 2014 Wizards fans
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 22, 2012, 12:24:57 AM
CP3 and Griffin just had the best alley-oop of the last 3 years.  Y'all need to catch it. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 22, 2012, 01:02:32 AM
yes, it was quite good

The Kings are so fucking dire, god. Nothing can save that line-up. Cousins seems to be in full-on selfdestruct mode too
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 22, 2012, 01:10:51 AM
CP3 to Bledsoe was sick too

I might give the edge to Bledsoe since he's a little dude

He got up like vintage Vince Carter, freaking crazy
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 22, 2012, 01:15:56 AM
He's something like 10th in the entire league in PER...have the horrible feeling they'll ditch him since he has far more value than a back-up PG. He could start for any number of contenders right away, even with the rough edges...imagine him on the Heat, jesus chriiiiiist
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 22, 2012, 01:16:57 AM
Yeah, I was just telling my uncle that Bledsoe's value is so high now that Clips might trade him if they don't get into conference finals this year
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 22, 2012, 01:19:17 AM
WCW had a triple double and Steph hit 8 threes tonight. Lakers game tomorrow will be epic.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 22, 2012, 01:23:34 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on December 22, 2012, 01:16:57 AM
Yeah, I was just telling my uncle that Bledsoe's value is so high now that Clips might trade him if they don't get into conference finals this year

They are really freakin' solid at every position so they don't even need to really. What they really should do is sell relatively high on Chauncey before he starts taking away minutes from Bledsoe or Crawford. Of course the locker room considerations may outweigh that but I'd have thought CP3 was all the leadership they'd need and that if anything Chauncey would get in the way with his need for clutch shots/declining athleticism. They don't really need Willie Green or Grant Hill either really. Odom seems to be improving too, may be a salvageable 3rd big after all. I'd still be inclined to go for more rebounding over more scoring though, and give Bledsoe all the backup PG/SG minutes behind Paul and Crawford (who'll play more in the playoffs i'm sure...probably start). They'll need Bledsoe badly against OKC or the Grizz or both.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 22, 2012, 01:37:03 AM
I wouldn't give up Bledsoe.  He's a beast, maybe a little shorter than the top athletic PGs but he's stronger than any of them, including Rose.  Also, his vision has improved tremendously from last year.   Last year, he would drive wildly into three players and throw up a crazy shot like John Wall.  Now he usually makes the right pass whenever he draws the D.  He must be learning something from CP3.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 22, 2012, 01:50:55 AM
Problem is, he would need to be getting starters minutes to justify paying him what he will command in free agency. So they have a Harden-like choice. Too good to be a back-up, too expensive to keep. On the other hand, he would be good CP3 insurance. Being the Clippers of course....they might lose both for nothing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 22, 2012, 12:35:44 PM
Bledsoe dunk from last night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31AqPq5yCsU

Also that Barnes dunk from a few weeks ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm4UQPTORfE
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 22, 2012, 10:31:20 PM
Nash is back in the lineup against the Warriors tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 23, 2012, 12:26:02 AM
The Lakers with all their key pieces tonight.

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 23, 2012, 12:58:43 AM
Ot

Lakers charged back in the 4th.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 23, 2012, 01:09:31 AM
Gotta give the devil his due. Lakers just played more clutch and executed better down the stretch. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 23, 2012, 01:16:08 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on December 23, 2012, 01:14:03 AM
It was interesting seeing Kobe left alone on the perimeter like 4x in the OT. I don't think he's ever been able to play a catch and shoot role, but with Nash on the floor, that might happen more often.

Yeah I didn't understand that. How do you leave Kobe wide open. Thompson's defense was  ???
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 23, 2012, 01:17:49 AM
what the fuck is with nash's hair

dude has had the worst hair styles in his career
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 23, 2012, 02:01:24 AM
41 shots taken lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 25, 2012, 08:01:04 PM
Nash legit makes the Lakers offense a lot better. Somebody is going to get a better than average shot when he dominates the ball and he makes the passing bug infectious to even somebody like Kobe.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 25, 2012, 08:30:17 PM
Perkins  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on December 27, 2012, 01:31:41 AM
That's not good, but Faried did have the highest offensive rebound rate in the NBA last year, as a rookie.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 27, 2012, 01:57:24 AM
I have a feeling the Kings are going to trade Cousins and put the cherry on top of one of the worst ownership cycles in American Pro Sports.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on December 27, 2012, 06:11:25 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on December 27, 2012, 12:04:03 AM
Lakers lose because they give up 20 offensive rebounds, including 9 to Kenneth Faried, thus allowing the Nuggets to take 11 more shots than they did.

How the fuck does a team with Dwight Howard and Pau Gasol give up 9 offensive rebounds to Kenneth Faried?

Dan Tony

Quote from: etiolate on December 27, 2012, 01:57:24 AM
I have a feeling the Kings are going to trade Cousins and put the cherry on top of one of the worst ownership cycles in American Pro Sports.

If it meant Evans went too I wouldn't consider it a total loss. They really just need to let everyone besides Jimmer & Thompson expire and start fresh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 27, 2012, 06:14:23 AM
Quote from: etiolate on December 27, 2012, 01:57:24 AM
I have a feeling the Kings are going to trade Cousins and put the cherry on top of one of the worst ownership cycles in American Pro Sports.

absolutely no-one wants him though
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on December 27, 2012, 06:22:55 AM
I recall comparing him to Derrick Coleman and I think that's going to end up a pretty apt comparison.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 27, 2012, 07:06:41 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 27, 2012, 06:14:23 AM
Quote from: etiolate on December 27, 2012, 01:57:24 AM
I have a feeling the Kings are going to trade Cousins and put the cherry on top of one of the worst ownership cycles in American Pro Sports.

absolutely no-one wants him though

I am sure many teams want him. There's not a young big with his talent set out there and they don't come along often.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on December 27, 2012, 07:35:47 AM
There are teams that would take him, but none that would offer anything near his potential value.  So the Kings can run the risk of seeing him develop into a star with another team, or keeping him and seeing him continue to lose value as a trade asset.

Have there been any young headcases in the NBA who turned it around while still with their original team?  Zach Randolph and JR Smith seem to have had the light bulb come on in different places, and you have cases like Rodman/Artest where they were still goofballs but were put in situations where the actual harmful stuff was minimized.  It's very possible that Cousins would just have a better shot turning it around somewhere else (if not for the change of scenery, then for Sacramento's recent track record of developing talent), which just adds to their dilemma.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 27, 2012, 10:18:25 AM
I'm basing that on journo tweets - I'd have thought he had trade value too, but apparently no-one is offering shit for him.

Cousins needs to be aware that he is in a new era of NBA contracts where he will be judged on 'What have you done for me lately' for his whole career rather than for a potential turnaround. If he doesn't get on a veteran team that can keep him focused soon, his career is as dead as Michael Beasley's.

Derrick Williams is starting to look like a major bust as well. Minnesota has got far better value out of the likes of Shved, Pekovic and Kirilenko. Kahn is perplexing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 27, 2012, 01:28:41 PM
poor nets.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 27, 2012, 01:37:51 PM
The NBA is getting worse than the NFL with coach firings.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 27, 2012, 03:09:52 PM
Lol at the nets thinking they are going to be a lot better than .500
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on December 27, 2012, 06:03:27 PM
Knicks won
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 27, 2012, 10:18:31 PM
From Woj's article:
Quote
Back when Mike Brown was considering the chance to be the Nets' coach, someone with knowledge of the Russian ownership group had warned him: You don't want to be the Russian's first coach, be the second one.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 27, 2012, 10:42:59 PM
Lordy that Collison shot was CRAZY
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 28, 2012, 02:37:59 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on December 27, 2012, 10:18:31 PM
From Woj's article:
Quote
Back when Mike Brown was considering the chance to be the Nets' coach, someone with knowledge of the Russian ownership group had warned him: You don't want to be the Russian's first coach, be the second one.

Will work that line into my Vladimir Putin biopic.*

"You don't want to be the first guy to try to assassinate Vladimir Putin--you want to be the last."

*I'm working on a paper on Palestine and statehood.  :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 28, 2012, 08:36:49 PM
The Pistons bench is so much better than the starting lineup.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 28, 2012, 10:35:50 PM
Bill Walton is doing the UCLA game tonight haha. Oh man, I miss Walton casting basketball

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skOklJ37sxA
:lol :bow
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on December 28, 2012, 10:41:03 PM
The best was Walton commentating on international basketball.  You got really ostentatious pronunciations of foreign names and random CIA worldbook facts about the countries playing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 28, 2012, 10:44:19 PM
I have fond memories of Walton once saying that a team was "playing at a much level of higher basketball" during a 11-0 run by the opposing team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 28, 2012, 10:46:51 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on December 28, 2012, 10:44:19 PM
I have fond memories of Walton once saying that a team was "playing at a much level of higher basketball" during a 11-0 run by the opposing team.

It's like the bald kid in The Matrix. For Walton, there is no scoreboard
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 29, 2012, 01:24:18 AM
Gotta be impressed with the clips.


Edit: although after watching the game on league pass, the clips got lucky with a bunch of bad ticky tack foul calls IMO.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on December 29, 2012, 07:29:42 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVhyP3V4vxc

Biedrins 8)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 29, 2012, 11:32:38 PM
Fucking heat. Beat Okc. Lose to pistons and bucks.

You might as well tattoo, we only care about the playoffs and big teams on their jerseys.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 29, 2012, 11:45:29 PM
I just realized that the Clippers have won SIXTEEN games in a row.  :dizzy
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 30, 2012, 01:06:19 AM
Meanwhile the Bobcats have lost 18 games in a row

(http://i.imgur.com/lAZ1L.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 30, 2012, 02:38:11 AM
I liked the way the Bobcats were playing earlier in the year. I guess they're lack of talent caught up with them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on December 30, 2012, 04:22:43 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 29, 2012, 11:45:29 PM
I just realized that the Clippers have won SIXTEEN games in a row.  :dizzy

Won't last past Wednesday 8)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 30, 2012, 04:24:39 AM
The rest of us just realized the forum has gotten big enough to host a Clippers fan.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 30, 2012, 03:28:15 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2012/12/29/demarcus-cousins-sacramento-kings-maloof/1798287/
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According to people with knowledge of the situation, the Maloofs continue to discuss their preferred option of relocation with several cities and have let it be known in all the appropriate circles that bidding for the unlikely sale of the club should begin at an astounding $500 million.

The last NBA sale, with the Memphis Grizzlies in October, went for a reported $377 million. Prior to that, the New Orleans Hornets reportedly were sold for $338 million. The Golden State Warriors were sold for a league-record $450 million in July 2010. But the Maloofs, who have consistently said they don't want to sell, are confident they could reach that $500 million figure because of the potential mobility of the franchise -- the Kings can get out of their lease at Sleep Train Arena at any time.

L      O      L
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 30, 2012, 09:26:14 PM
Sleep Train Arena?

At least the arena name isn't misleading.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on December 31, 2012, 07:59:40 AM
Better than that powerbalance shit that some players still wear
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 01, 2013, 03:23:02 PM
It's hard to notice because his play has been so well over the last few years but lebron is putting up another insane season.

Career high in rebounds 8.4 and he's shooting a career high 54%. The numbers he is putting up won't come around again for a long time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 01, 2013, 08:40:47 PM
you asked for that one, Stoney.

Amar'e's return is basically exactly how we all expected it to be :'(   Knicks getting destroyed on D, especially inside. Their communication and rotations are all falling apart. As I watch, JJ Hickson got Steve Novak in the post, which is errr not where Novak needs to be on D
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on January 01, 2013, 08:45:53 PM
Knicks are playing really bad even without Amare on the court. Don't blame him yet.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 01, 2013, 08:50:51 PM
Lack of Felton is a big issue as well, obviously. But they should be beating the Blazers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on January 01, 2013, 08:54:16 PM
agreed
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on January 01, 2013, 09:05:28 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 01, 2013, 08:50:51 PM
Lack of Felton is a big issue as well, obviously. But they should be beating the Blazers.

Lack of Felton can also be a good thing at times
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 01, 2013, 11:56:10 PM
Nugggets end clips win streak tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 02, 2013, 01:52:15 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on January 02, 2013, 01:16:50 AM
Pau 2-12
Dwight 1-7
Metta 6-17

We lose to the fucking 76ers.
http://www.the-coli.com/coliseum/74942-official-sign-here-if-you-had-same-number-assists-kobe-tonight-thread.html#.UOPXmKxrS4o
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 02, 2013, 02:29:50 AM
The awesome thing is that Kobe is doing well enough on offense that he is going to continue jacking up shots even though its pretty clear that's not a good recipe for this team actually winning. I always thought they would make the playoffs but now I'm of the opinion that if he keeps scoring like this,they won't.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 02, 2013, 02:59:39 AM
I'm going to bed so I don't have time to post a real response but my issue isn't Kobe's shooting is greedy. It that's as a general rule it generally lowers their assist totals as a team and makes them stagnant and predictable on offense.

I hope he continues scoring over 30 a game. But then I also want them to not make the playoffs. So win win.  :)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on January 02, 2013, 08:34:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MerJpZw7Puk
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 03, 2013, 12:34:53 AM
:rofl

(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/social_assets/nba/1_2_2013/WarriorsBenchBlakeGriffin.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 03, 2013, 12:48:17 AM
Some good games tonight.

I was bored so I was looking at the Western Conference standings and as of right now the best the Lakers could do is a 6th place finish in the western conference and 6th is highly unlikely unless they rattle off like a dozen wins in a row or something.

1 thru 5 are all solid teams with the lowest win percentage at 5 being .677. No way in hell they could crack that.

Then you look at denver who is 18 and 15 and the current #7 seed but they are actually a lot better than that record. They've played 11 home games and 22 road games right now. Once the math evens up there they will be a lot better and probably eventually locked in at the #6 slot.


That leaves Houston, Denver, Portland, Minnesota, Utah, and the Lakers all scrabbling for that 7th and 8th spot. Obviously the Lakers could make it in over those teams but it will not be easy. I think they are easily better than Portland. Minnesota kinda seems like a mess to me right now even though you can't really count out Adelman. I think Houston seems to be gelling a bit. And Utah is always tough albeit boring. Should be fun. And of course you still have like 50 games to go for most teams so this is a bit premature.  ;)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 03, 2013, 02:01:40 AM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on January 03, 2013, 12:34:53 AM
:rofl

(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/social_assets/nba/1_2_2013/WarriorsBenchBlakeGriffin.gif)

amazing
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on January 03, 2013, 03:59:49 AM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on January 03, 2013, 12:34:53 AM
:rofl

(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/social_assets/nba/1_2_2013/WarriorsBenchBlakeGriffin.gif)

Kent Bazemore does this at least 2-3 times a game. It's fucking awesome
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 03, 2013, 06:58:11 PM
woo!  philly back at the 8 seed, only six away from becoming the second seed!!! :rock

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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 03, 2013, 06:59:57 PM
also is there a reason why the west has more games played by like three compared to the east?  were the first few games all west teams?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 03, 2013, 07:24:41 PM
The Wolves have had terrible, terrible injury trouble - I can't recall seeing them start their best line-up all year. Love is like a different player too - not sure whether it's injury or pique or what. I think they are better than their record for sure but we won't know til we've seen a healthy Love and Rubio play big minutes for a while.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on January 03, 2013, 07:29:19 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 03, 2013, 07:24:41 PM
Love is like a different player too - not sure whether it's injury or pique or what.

He's the Monta Ellis of forwards.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 04, 2013, 04:44:19 PM
Lakers play the Clippers tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on January 04, 2013, 04:51:18 PM
Dis gon' be good. None of you assholes watched Knicks/Spurs last night?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 04, 2013, 05:57:39 PM
I caught the insane JR Smith alley-oop, dat was tits
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 04, 2013, 06:30:39 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 04, 2013, 05:57:39 PM
I caught the insane JR Smith alley-oop, dat was tits

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0kpRNJpmOw

He's always been good for some amazing dunks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2013, 09:41:20 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 03, 2013, 06:59:57 PM
also is there a reason why the west has more games played by like three compared to the east?  were the first few games all west teams?
I think there's been a couple games cancelled in the East due to the weather, but most likely are scheduling flukes since some teams have to coordinate with other events more often than others do. Like the Bulls and Spurs have to do those road trips for the circus/rodeo or whatever it is every year.

Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 03, 2013, 07:24:41 PM
Love is like a different player too - not sure whether it's injury or pique or what.
There was some talk last week that he was telling people he was done with Minnesota and had checked out. Maybe Laker fan dreams though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 04, 2013, 10:36:55 PM
Yeah, Hurricane Sandy caused a few cancellations in NY which had a ripple effect but AFAIK they have already been rescheduled and played.

Love is definitely giving off weird vibes and doesn't seem to be battling the way he used to on the boards. Could be fear of reinjuring the hand I guess, but he has never been impressed with the Wolves' management. It's a bit weird now because they have actually stumbled into a good line-up that still has upside from trades and picks (I think...) and Rubio's development.

Gearing up for Lakers-Clips now :hyper

Heat-Bulls still close but looking rough for the Heat. That oop from Wade to LeBron was disgusting though - I was sure Wade had blown the pass but LBJ finished it anyway, total god mode
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 04, 2013, 10:38:38 PM
rose-less bulls beating the heat, smh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on January 04, 2013, 10:40:43 PM
Jamal Crawford not playing tonight. He's on my fantasy squad. :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 04, 2013, 10:56:27 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 04, 2013, 10:38:38 PM
rose-less bulls beating the heat, smh

It's painful watching Miami play at this point. You only need to tune in to the 4th quarter when the effort level actually starts.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2013, 10:59:22 PM
Frank didn't play Austin Daye for almost two months and now he's bombing in threes from everywhere.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 04, 2013, 11:20:36 PM
Clippers kicking ass early. I like it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on January 04, 2013, 11:21:54 PM
Me too, will have them over-confident for the Warriors game tomorrow
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 05, 2013, 12:26:22 AM
lol. Blake Griffin just took out an 8 year old.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 05, 2013, 12:28:01 AM
Quote from: pilonv1 on January 04, 2013, 11:21:54 PM
Me too, will have them over-confident for the Warriors game tomorrow


why would beating a sub .500 team at home make them overconfident
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 05, 2013, 12:29:32 AM
Nasty Blake dunk there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 05, 2013, 12:30:39 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 05, 2013, 12:26:22 AM
lol. Blake Griffin just took out an 8 year old.

taking a quick break from taking out 34 year olds
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 05, 2013, 12:33:16 AM
You can tell Jeff Van Gundy delights a little bit inside taking every little did he can at Dwight. He never goes over the line though where it would be too noticeable.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 05, 2013, 12:40:29 AM
Probably just because I'm hating but this has been a fun game as a hater.

Jesus Christ the Lakers need to trade Pau Gasol right now if they aren't going to do anything with him. It's a waste of his career.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 05, 2013, 12:50:01 AM
One thing I'd like to see them try is have Pau play the 5 on offense and Dwight the 4. Post up Pau and have him feed shooters, and have Nash and Dwight run pick and rolls. On D they can still put Dwight under the basket of course. Dwight is fine in the post but it's not his biggest strength. Pau is also fine at the top of the key or wherever but it's not his biggest strength either, especially if he only gets late-in-the-shot clock crumbs there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 05, 2013, 01:17:22 AM
Tight. Kobe has had a great night.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 05, 2013, 01:21:38 AM
but that won't happen cormac because dantoni
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 05, 2013, 01:25:58 AM
dat all pro Kobe defense
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 05, 2013, 01:32:10 AM
Good game that turned closed there at the end. You really kinda see how they need Crawford to diversify that offense. As explosive as Blake is, he still doesn't have enough moves to be reliable in those end of game situations.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 05, 2013, 01:38:41 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3B_sJG481o
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on January 05, 2013, 03:05:04 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 05, 2013, 12:28:01 AM
Quote from: pilonv1 on January 04, 2013, 11:21:54 PM
Me too, will have them over-confident for the Warriors game tomorrow


why would beating a sub .500 team at home make them overconfident

:lol ouch
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 05, 2013, 06:33:15 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 05, 2013, 01:32:10 AM
Good game that turned closed there at the end. You really kinda see how they need Crawford to diversify that offense. As explosive as Blake is, he still doesn't have enough moves to be reliable in those end of game situations.

his FT shooting is more of a problem there I think, but the Clips have been getting around this problem (and Jordan's...) by having 15-20pt leads by the 4th quarter of late. It will get exposed in the playoffs I guess, but the Clips could be even deeper by then.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 05, 2013, 07:05:46 AM
FThunder dont need to worry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 05, 2013, 11:59:52 AM
random aside from last night. Chris Bosh pulled down 5 rebounds last night in 38 minutes.

Taj Gibson pulled down 9 in 17 minutes including 5 of those being offensive rebounds.

Bosh is having his worst rebounding season since his rookie year and its never like his rebounding totals have been awesome since he went to Miami. Despite adding bulk to play center this off-season.

http://tracking.si.com/2012/09/10/chris-bosh-center-heat-muscle-lebron-james-dwyane-wade/


I'm not much of a fan of Chris Bosh.  :-\

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 06, 2013, 09:26:08 PM
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DALLAS -- With the Dallas Mavericks' 12-season playoff streak in serious jeopardy, star forward Dirk Nowitzki expressed strong doubt about the front office's plan for the franchise's future, even wondering whether it'd be in the Mavs' best interests to trade him.

Nowitzki, who was admittedly disappointed and frustrated after the Mavs dropped to eight games below .500 with their eighth loss in nine games Saturday night, told ESPNDallas.com that owner Mark Cuban's post-lockout decision to let Tyson Chandler and other key members of the 2011 title team leave could be judged as "a mistake or not" after seeing whether the Mavs are able to make any major personnel moves this summer.

The plan was to acquire a legitimate superstar in his prime -- or possibly even two -- to lighten the 34-year-old Nowitzki's load in the latter stage of his surefire Hall of Fame career. But Chris Paul and Dwight Howard did not hit the free agency market last summer as anticipated when Dallas decided to create significant salary cap space for the first time in Cuban's 13-year ownership tenure -- they both can be free agents this summer -- and the Mavs' recruiting efforts failed to land Deron Williams.

"It's going to be tough now," Nowitzki said after the Mavs' home overtime loss to the Western Conference cellar-dwelling New Orleans Hornets. "I always liked to think you don't want to build your franchise on hope.

"We hoped for Deron last year. We hoped for Dwight. Why would he leave the Lakers? To me, it makes no sense. He's in a great situation. Why would CP3 leave? (The Los Angeles Clippers are) the best team in the league probably right now. They're probably the deepest team. So are you going to hope that we get something?

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/8819298/dirk-nowitzki-questions-dallas-mavericks-offseason-moves-build-hope

I'll never understand their decision to let Tyson Chandler go.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on January 06, 2013, 10:52:51 PM
Chandler basically got a four year max deal from the Knicks, didn't he?

He was the second-most important player on their championship team, but he was also a 7-footer entering his 30's who had just completed his first healthy/effective season in three years.  He carried a certain amount of risk, especially at that price.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 07, 2013, 12:05:23 AM
Lakers lose at home against the nuggets.

 :smug
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 07, 2013, 12:08:34 AM
That Dwight block/pass to Gallinari :lol

The Lakers are the most entertaining bad team EVER
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 07, 2013, 12:12:34 AM
Quote from: Mandark on January 06, 2013, 10:52:51 PM
Chandler basically got a four year max deal from the Knicks, didn't he?

He was the second-most important player on their championship team, but he was also a 7-footer entering his 30's who had just completed his first healthy/effective season in three years.  He carried a certain amount of risk, especially at that price.

Cuban let Nash go on similar reasoning. I mean, you and he are right about the risk, and Cuban is definitely on the ball about cap management in the new CBA era, but if ever there is a time to double-down it is just after winning a championship.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 07, 2013, 12:16:56 AM
Their next three games are at Houston. At San Antonio, and home against the Thunder. They could conceivably be 15-21 by Friday.

 :)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 07, 2013, 03:54:17 PM
the lakers shit-show continues.  Hill, Pau, and Howard are all hurt and won't be on the Laker's road trip.

Kobe fuckball every game basically.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 07, 2013, 05:05:33 PM
Sometimes life is so cruel it's delicious.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 07, 2013, 05:13:15 PM
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The numbers here are pretty simple. Over the past five years, the eighth seed in the Western Conference playoffs has won an average of 47.8 games. To reach that mark, the Lakers, who dropped to 15-18 with last night's loss to the Nuggets, must go 32-17 the rest of the way. The upcoming schedule doesn't provide much relief, either. The Lakers travel to Texas to play the Rockets and the Spurs before heading back home for a Friday-night game against the Thunder. If the Lakers lose all three of those games, they'll need to win at a .673 clip for the rest of the season to make it to 47 wins. Of course, there's a chance the Lakers might make it into the playoffs with fewer than 47 wins, just as there's a chance (albeit much smaller) they'll miss the playoffs even if they win 49, but every other team battling in the lower half of the Western Conference playoff standings has legitimate reasons for hope: The Nuggets will play a ton of games at home in the second half, the Rockets seem to have figured out the Harden-Lin problem, the Timberwolves, who have been destroyed by injuries, will eventually get healthier.

There are actually a lot of ways a team can drastically change its fortune within a season — a key player can come back from injury; a superstar can elevate his game, à la Tracy McGrady in 2008; a coaching change can fix a glaring problem; team chemistry can improve following a pivotal win. The Lakers are healthy. Kobe is playing some of the best basketball of his career. They have already changed coaches. They are thoroughly joyless and snipe at one another and their coach through the press. What can they really do to get drastically better?



http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/46810/lakers-sports-talk-radio-why-they-probably-wont-make-the-playoffs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 07, 2013, 05:35:24 PM
Dwight might actually leave in free agency, which basically no-one ever does, right? Wild
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 07, 2013, 05:38:10 PM
Dwight is so wishy washy who knows really. But yeah I'm sure he didn't imagine this whole thing going down like this.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 07, 2013, 05:41:53 PM
Hasn't he pretty much been injured all year, or at least still recovering from the back?

Dude is a clown with the skills of a sophomore high school player. He'll have a blast winning 50 games a year in Brooklyn, getting knocked out of the playoffs in the first round.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 07, 2013, 05:52:14 PM
oh yeah, it'll be a rollercoaster ride, I'm sure. But Cuban must be getting a bit excited again. I don't see how the Nets can get him though, unless he signs for peanuts
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: benjipwns on January 07, 2013, 08:48:29 PM
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EL SEGUNDO, Calif. -- If the Los Angeles Lakers are going to crawl out of the hole they've dug for themselves with their current three-game losing streak, they'll have to do it without their All-Star big men -- center Dwight Howard and forward Pau Gasol -- who are both out indefinitely with injuries, the team announced Monday.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Mandark on January 07, 2013, 11:56:09 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 07, 2013, 05:41:53 PM
Hasn't he pretty much been injured all year, or at least still recovering from the back?

Dude is a clown with the skills of a sophomore high school player. He'll have a blast winning 50 games a year in Brooklyn, getting knocked out of the playoffs in the first round.

really?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2013, 12:05:14 AM
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 08, 2013, 12:09:58 AM
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/46810/lakers-sports-talk-radio-why-they-probably-wont-make-the-playoffs

ha ha, dude's right on the money.  LA fans blame everyone but Kobe. 

Don't know why Dwight is surprised that playing in LA isn't all that fun.  Anyone not affiliated with the Lakers could have told him that. 

Losing Dwight in the offseason would be the cherry on top of what has already been a fun season for haters.  However, Lakers are one of the few franchises that won't be coerced  into a sign and trade so Howard would probably stay put. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: benjipwns on January 08, 2013, 12:16:57 AM
Yeah, a lot of the popular analysis of the Lakers woes have ignored the $28 million part that demands a third of possessions to mostly take long contested jumpers. Probably because he's shot so well this year it seems like he's the only part going right.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Mandark on January 08, 2013, 12:23:53 AM
PD: You realize that positioning, timing, an understanding of help defense, etc are all "skills" just as much as passing and shooting, right?

Maybe it's the benefit of being a Wiz fan and seeing hundreds' of games worth of Kwame Brown, Andre Blatche, and Javale McGee, but I'd like to think I have a fair idea of what a talented big man coasting on his natural abilities looks like, and I only wish that it would bring Dwight's results.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 08, 2013, 12:39:34 AM
Yeah, people get down on Dwight because his FTs suck and his jump hook looks unwieldy and ignore the fact that he can chase Chris Paul out to the 3pt line then get back in time to stop DeAndre Jordan at the rim. Almost no-one else can do that, as well as tell everyone else where to be, except KG, Noah and Chandler. Dwight's big problem this year is that he just can't move from spot to spot as quickly as he was once able to. He can get in the air and block a shot or dunk, so people think he's being lazy or something. I think he's just stiff and unable to move laterally the way he used to before someone stuck a knife in his spine and wiggled it around.

McGee is a great example - he has almost the perfect body for NBA defense but still sucks at team defense. He can smother anybody one-on-one and block shots so you get suckered into thinking he's good, but he actually sucks at making his team better at defense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2013, 01:50:49 AM
Quote from: Mandark on January 08, 2013, 12:23:53 AM
PD: You realize that positioning, timing, an understanding of help defense, etc are all "skills" just as much as passing and shooting, right?

Maybe it's the benefit of being a Wiz fan and seeing hundreds' of games worth of Kwame Brown, Andre Blatche, and Javale McGee, but I'd like to think I have a fair idea of what a talented big man coasting on his natural abilities looks like, and I only wish that it would bring Dwight's results.

I'm talking about his offensive skill set in terms of post moves and awareness, which I have complained about for years. I've never liked Dwight's game, and it seems like it hasn't really improved. He's pretty much been dealing with nagging injuries all season but at the same time...whenever I watch him (which admittedly isn't a lot since I don't like much NBA basketball) he looks like he's just...out there.

Having played basketball in high school/AAU, Dwight reminds me of a guy who got away with freak athleticism for years and never had anyone working with him to improve his game. He's still big and strong enough to dominate physically, but that doesn't seem to be enough...plus he doesn't seem to have a dominant personality on the court
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Mandark on January 08, 2013, 02:03:56 AM
So basically you're using "his game" or "skills" as synecdoche for "low post moves."  Well, that makes no sense at all to me, but have at it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 08, 2013, 02:06:06 AM
Phoenix ark
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2013, 02:08:24 AM
I'm discussing him as a big man/center, comparing him to others in the league. This isn't a new criticism, I'm not the only person looking at his post game...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 08, 2013, 02:14:43 AM
Sure, but it's also undeniable that big man post offense is a much smaller part of the game than it was, so as irksome as it may be to you, his coaches aren't clamoring for him to deliver more there. In fact, they want him running more pick and rolls, with Howard diving to the rim rather than posting up. The modern NBA game is guard pick and rolls, 3 pt shooting and team defense on a string. Dwight is a huge part of the latter and still gives his teams an easy 20pts a night on offense. I think most of the actual smooth post scorers in the league now are PFs - people like Zach Randolph, or even smallball PFs like Melo and LeBron. There are very few genuine 2 way players now so I think it's a bit unfair to really rag on Howard's offensive game given that he's an elite defender but still gets it done on offense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 08, 2013, 02:15:49 AM
Pretty awesome finish to OKC-Wizards btw - thought for sure KD had wrapped that one up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: benjipwns on January 08, 2013, 02:19:05 AM
One of Dwight's biggest problems is just that he has bad hands. He's not really that great at catching passes, and he's really bad for a superstar in terms of dribbling or passing. I think it also limits what he's willing to do in the post because he's skilled enough and has enough athletic advantages that he really should be able to abuse people much more down there, but he kinda shys away from it. (His FT shooting doesn't help.)

I don't know if he has small hands or if they're just bad.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2013, 02:20:15 AM
I recognize the game has changed in the NBA, hence why I barely watch. And yes, Dwight plays hard on defense and helps facilitate the offense. I'm just saying I don't like his offensive game and don't think he's interested in dominating; he has the body and athleticism to do some amazing things, and when I watch him it's like seeing some superhero who hasn't honed their powers or something. That's all I'm sayin' - not a Dwight fan, sue me.

To me, like I said, he looks like someone who gets by entirely on his athleticism and size. Is he Kwame Brown? Of course not.
Title: I think we've reached a mutual understanding
Post by: Mandark on January 08, 2013, 02:34:09 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2013, 02:20:15 AM
To me, like I said, he looks like someone who gets by entirely on his athleticism and size.

Yeah, and we're just pointing out that that's wrong and dumb.  Gosh.
Title: Re: I think we've reached a mutual understanding
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2013, 02:42:01 AM
Quote from: Mandark on January 08, 2013, 02:34:09 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2013, 02:20:15 AM
To me, like I said, he looks like someone who gets by entirely on his athleticism and size.

Yeah, and we're just pointing out that that's wrong and dumb.  Gosh.

Well you didn't convince me. I remain unimpressed by Superman, oh well
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 08, 2013, 04:51:24 AM
Well, enjoy watching all those awesome centers in the NCAA then i guess
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Mandark on January 08, 2013, 05:43:15 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2013, 02:20:15 AM
I recognize the game has changed in the NBA, hence why I barely watch.

Yes.  Tell us with a straight face that at your age, you became an NBA fan for the low post play.  Lawdy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: pilonv1 on January 08, 2013, 06:19:48 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 08, 2013, 04:51:24 AM
Well, enjoy watching all those awesome centers in the NCAA then i guess

Nothing like 3hrs of basketball leading to a 52-49 win.

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Mandark on January 08, 2013, 08:01:02 AM
I'm just tired of the type of fandom that consists of constant nitpicking of the best players, and the idea that any hole in their game comes from some lack of dedication or other personality flaw.  I'm exposed to it all the time, and it's so tiresome.  Who would want to choose to see the game through the eyes of a bitter, vaguely racist middle-aged white guy?  That Skip Bayless shit is neither fun nor informed.

Tyson Chandler still can't create a shot.  Jason Kidd never learned how to shoot off the dribble.  Ben Wallace was forever an offensive black hole.  There are really good players, who have to be considered "athletic" by any reasonable definition of the word, who everyone praises as hard workers and good teammates, who just never turn their weaknesses into strengths.

With Howard, you can either believe that his defense is purely a result of his "athleticism," which would be wrong, or imagine that he dedicates a lot of time and effort honing his defense, but doesn't really care about scoring more, which seems terribly far-fetched.  But you know, LeBron's a choker, Dirk is soft, Westbrook's a ballhog, ad nauseum.  God I wish I could put together a team of all these chumps.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 08, 2013, 09:04:57 AM
actually LeBron has pretty much shut everybody the fuck up in every conceivable way really. Defense, post-game, even his 3pt shooting is deadly, and everyone knows it. Apart from the promise of multiple rings but i think we can put a few more in the book now :lol  Even Awesome-O is having to resort to stuff like 'he gets a pass from the refs'.

I GUESS THIS MEANS HE HAS NO FLAWS IN HIS PERSONALITY. AND ISN'T REALLY BLACK!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 08, 2013, 10:50:06 AM
The Lebron turn around is one of the more hypocritical things in my lifetime. Pretty much every commentator had some basketball or personal life critique of him before last year. He was a flawed over privileged person was the narrative. After you win a title though it erases all sins from a media perspective.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 08, 2013, 01:27:02 PM
So Melo took the Knicks loss like a little bitch apparently
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: benjipwns on January 08, 2013, 02:44:01 PM
Skiles out in Milwaukee.

Blatche accused of sexual assault.
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 08, 2013, 10:50:06 AM
After you win a title though it erases all sins from a media perspective.
Dirk went from an epic choker who never had a single good playoff game in his life and you could never build around him to a devastating clutch winner and veteran leader the season before.

I liked the people blasting Dirk who suddenly started talking about how LeBron should learn from him and look to him as the right type of player.

A lot of the media ignores the NBA until the second round of the playoffs when they suddenly form all these concrete opinions based on three or four games that they seek to confirm with the last two rounds. It was real easy to do from like 1992-2004 because you'd get to the Finals and the Bulls or Lakers would just win anyway. So you could just talk about winners (Jordan, Kobe, Hakeem) and dismiss everyone else as losers and chokers since they never won titles.

Durant has an odd type of protection, Westbrook seems to suck up all the negative criticism into his vortex.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 08, 2013, 03:47:21 PM
dirk was really fucking good in the postseason that year though.  his free throws, good god.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 08, 2013, 04:18:06 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 08, 2013, 02:44:01 PM
Durant has an odd type of protection, Westbrook seems to suck up all the negative criticism into his vortex.

That and he plays for OKC which has its own media driven narrative that often gets spun. But give him 8 or 9 years in the league without a title and the narrative will turn on him too a bit especially if he ever leaves OKC.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 08, 2013, 04:28:32 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 08, 2013, 02:44:01 PM
Blatche accused of sexual assault.

Not quite


Howard Beck@HowardBeckNYT
Andray Blatche was questioned by Philly police, but he is not accused of any wrongdoing, official tells my colleague @wendyruderman

Howard Beck@HowardBeckNYT
From commissioner Charles Ramsey: "From all accounts, he (Blatche) was not personally involved in any kind of assault or anything like that"


Howard Beck@HowardBeckNYT
Blatche was questioned and released and will not be charged.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 08, 2013, 04:32:38 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 08, 2013, 01:27:02 PM
So Melo took the Knicks loss like a little bitch apparently

To be fair most NBA players detest Kevin Garnett supposedly.



http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2013/01/kevin-garnett-allegedly-told-carmelo-anthony-his-wife-tastes-like-honey-nut-cheerios/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 08, 2013, 04:34:34 PM
wtf :rofl

that's fucking hysterical
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 08, 2013, 04:50:37 PM
Ron Artest smells like Fruit Loops.
Vince Carter tastes like Cocoa Puffs.
Steve Nash is Shredded Wheat.
The Wolves are Special KKK.
Barnani is Kellogs because he's never in the Post.
I'm not even going to tell you what Garnett called Lin.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Beezy on January 08, 2013, 06:43:10 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on January 08, 2013, 04:50:37 PM
Ron Artest smells like Fruit Loops.
Vince Carter tastes like Cocoa Puffs.
Steve Nash is Shredded Wheat.
The Wolves are Special KKK.
Barnani is Kellogs because he's never in the Post.
I'm not even going to tell you what Garnett called Lin.
:lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 08, 2013, 07:12:39 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on January 08, 2013, 04:50:37 PM
Ron Artest smells like Fruit Loops.
Vince Carter tastes like Cocoa Puffs.
Steve Nash is Shredded Wheat.
The Wolves are Special KKK.
Barnani is Kellogs because he's never in the Post.
I'm not even going to tell you what Garnett called Lin.

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: etiolate on January 08, 2013, 07:25:02 PM
I guess that would make Jason Kidd a box of Honey Smacks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 08, 2013, 07:29:59 PM
Lakers - Rockets and Heat - Pacers tonight, pretty decent card

The Rockets are unavoidably hot and cold but generally still a blast to watch.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 08, 2013, 08:29:00 PM
ooooh pacers heat sounds tasty.  close game too.  I'm tuning in now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 08, 2013, 09:14:26 PM
Rockets D always that bad or is it just disrespect of the Lakers?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 08, 2013, 09:51:58 PM
Guess Rockets don't really need to play real D

I wonder what's up with Nash.  Even I might feel some pity for the Lakers if Nash is out as well
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 08, 2013, 10:22:21 PM
Kobe got called for travel 3 times  :lol

Guess even refs think that it's over for the Lakers

Someone put up Linsanity's nasty crossover on Artest
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 08, 2013, 10:54:58 PM
I don't know what to make of Miami. Yeah its early. And yeah Miami will probably raise their game for the playoffs. But the way they are getting beat by these teams is just...

Another shitty night of rebounds. Pacers +19 on the boards. Bosh with 5 rebounds again in 36 minutes. Ian Mahinmi had 5 rebounds in 18 minutes.

Quote
Rebounding is one of the few blemishes on the Miami Heat’s play this season, and most of the blame has fallen on Chris Bosh. The big man is now keeping track of his own rebounds so that he can defend himself in the press. Per Fox Sports: “I’m just counting them so everybody will get off my back,’ said Bosh, who had nobody on his case after he grabbed nine in Sunday’s 99-71 rout of the Washington Wizards at AmericanAirlines Arena. ‘That’s really it. That’s why I’m counting them. I’m like, ‘Hey, it was nine today.’ Just a start. And I got to get nine the next game, maybe even 10.’ If the 6-foot-11 Bosh grabbed 10, he would be living up to last season’s prediction, when he spoke of averaging that many a night. He didn’t come close, finishing at 7.9. This season he’s been even worse. He’s averaging 7.6, on pace to be the lowest since he pulled down 7.4 a game as a Toronto rookie in 2003-04. [...] ‘The only way we can do a better job on the boards is if each guy challenges himself a little more,’ said Bosh. ‘So I looked at it. I got to challenge myself a lot more than I have been. And I’ll make a better effort on the boards. And it was a pretty decent night.’ [...] ‘Life isn’t fair,’ Bosh said when asked if all the criticism he gets regarding rebounding is fair. ‘I’m over that. I don’t really read it. But if we win the rebounding battle, then give me credit. Even if I don’t deserve it, give it to me.’”

 :poop
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 08, 2013, 11:00:10 PM
I just hope Lebron isn't too worn out by playoffs time

At this pace, even if the Heat make it to the finals, I can't see them beating fresher teams like Clippers and Thunder
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 08, 2013, 11:11:08 PM
Lakers, team of density.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 08, 2013, 11:13:12 PM
the pacers played well against the heat last year too, I just think they match up well.  miami will be fine.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 09, 2013, 09:24:07 AM
Has anyone seen a pro baller have a worse game than Sacre did for the Lakers? I mean, you don't expect lot from D League callups but yeeesh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 09, 2013, 12:24:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_FdalGa98M
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 09, 2013, 02:00:49 PM
Lots of rumors flying around about the Hansen-Ballmer group out of Seattle buying the Kings today.

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/2013/01/sacramento-kings-rumored-as-coming-to-seattle/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: etiolate on January 09, 2013, 02:38:38 PM
Keep poisoning them wells NBA
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 09, 2013, 02:41:41 PM
I'm excited to get the Sonics back, but this sucks for Sacramento fans. It didn't feel good when Bennet stole the Sonics and moved them to OKC. I feel their pain. At least in this situation, noone is lying about their intentions. Bennet was stone cold liar about wanting to keep the Sonics in Seattle, how anyone believed that is beyond me.

Bittersweet that this is pretty much the only way to get a team back in Seattle.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: etiolate on January 09, 2013, 02:53:12 PM
Oh, the Maloofs constantly said they wanted to stay in Sacramento. "We're committed to Sacramento." lolz

It was the ending of every PR release pretty much. But then everyone saw them doing the exact opposite. So they lied, but nobody but chumps believed the lies. They even busted out a "we'll redo Arco" line after sinking their own Arena deal and then used tarps to cover up signs of sponsors who left them like their running some redneck swap meet. They also devalue a franchise they inherited and then get to sell it for way over it's real worth under the guise that it's movable.

There was also Sacramento buyers and people who were willing to buy the team and keep them in Sacramento. There's nothing decent about this move.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 09, 2013, 02:55:15 PM
Sorry, man.

Like I said earlier, I legitimately feel your pain.

Huh. Now reports are saying that the Maloofs would retain a very small ownership percentage.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: etiolate on January 09, 2013, 02:59:06 PM
This hurts the NBA in the long run in regards to negotiating future Arena deals. It's something that's been talked about outside of the move poisoning the Sacramento market. The fact that Sacramento came forward with a good deal that the Maloofs let go on and then sabotage at the last second, and then letting those same owners turn the franchise for a cool 500 million is going to make it hard for the NBA to come to other cities and be taken seriously in regards to getting public financing going. It's pretty much "How are we assured you aren't going to let the Kings happen again?" question from now on.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 09, 2013, 03:00:54 PM
It's nothing new. There were legit arena deals before Bennet moved the Sonics to OKC. The Muckleshoot Indian Tribe was willing to front the cash for a new arena down in South King County, but he flat out ignored them saying there were no valid options and he had to move the team.

This just makes it "How are we assured you're not going to fuck us over like the last guy did?"

And in other news, why won't Stern die?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 09, 2013, 03:27:00 PM
lol at the lakers making the playoffs.  they're toast.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: etiolate on January 09, 2013, 03:51:53 PM
The Lakers got the wrong coach/system for their roster.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 09, 2013, 03:53:14 PM
Assuming you need 46 wins to get in (like last year), the Lakers would need to go 31-17 the rest of the way.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 09, 2013, 03:58:20 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 09, 2013, 03:53:14 PM
Assuming you need 46 wins to get in (like last year), the Lakers would need to go 31-17 the rest of the way.

rip Laker's chances. Too many injuries. At least Kobe will get his!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: etiolate on January 09, 2013, 04:10:52 PM
Also, expect all the team swapping and name changing and work stoppages to kill brand and team identity with the NBA the same way it did with the NHL.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 09, 2013, 04:24:16 PM
don't tell me how to read  :maf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 09, 2013, 04:54:13 PM
Quote from: Exodust SoulBurn on January 09, 2013, 04:27:34 PM
Not my fault that us foreigners tend to be better at grammar than you 'Muricans.

"Foreigners" is the subject of the sentence, and the pronoun before it simply renames it. As such, you should have used "we" instead of "us."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 09, 2013, 04:57:56 PM
shut up you canuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 09, 2013, 04:59:14 PM
This is what I get for defending Canada's underpants.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 09, 2013, 05:58:40 PM
I like the Kings deal solely because it annoys etoilet.  Is that wrong?  Probably.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 09, 2013, 06:00:23 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on January 09, 2013, 05:58:40 PM
I like the Kings deal solely because it annoys etoilet.  Is that wrong?  Probably.

Haha, but I was thinking it might make me etoilet even more insufferable in this thread. :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: etiolate on January 09, 2013, 06:05:18 PM
I will torment you all until Stern makes amends for the WC Finals debauchery.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 09, 2013, 06:07:07 PM
You're worse than Bret Hart fans.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Steve Contra on January 09, 2013, 06:51:05 PM
The Kings leaving Sacramento is a shitty thing for the Maloofs to do, but it's not going to do a thing to the league, because no one cares outside of Sacramento.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: etiolate on January 09, 2013, 06:51:05 PM
Kevin Johnson news conference has no real news except that he takes this as a sign that the Maloofs are finally willing to sell and that he's looking to assemble buyers of the team that would keep the Kings in Sacramento.

So this sale could get delayed and then get turned into a bidding war due to some sort of waffling with the Maloofs and KJ trying to power up another offer.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 09, 2013, 07:11:16 PM
LeBron cannot foul anyone just like God cannot do evil.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 09, 2013, 07:11:30 PM
Lakers at Spurs tonight. Let the good times roll.

Lakers have become must see TV for me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 09, 2013, 07:52:06 PM
Quote from: etiolate on January 09, 2013, 06:05:18 PM
I will torment you all until Stern makes amends for the WC Finals debauchery.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NSPbgLvmwpM/Te29MhjvxDI/AAAAAAAAAGs/dolRMf1u8SI/s1600/I+do+not+think+it+means+what+you+think+it+means.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 09, 2013, 08:01:27 PM
Quote from: etiolate on January 09, 2013, 06:05:18 PM
I will torment you all until Stern makes amends for the WC Finals debauchery.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEblfSKCXM0
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: etiolate on January 09, 2013, 08:08:34 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 09, 2013, 07:52:06 PM
Quote from: etiolate on January 09, 2013, 06:05:18 PM
I will torment you all until Stern makes amends for the WC Finals debauchery.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NSPbgLvmwpM/Te29MhjvxDI/AAAAAAAAAGs/dolRMf1u8SI/s1600/I+do+not+think+it+means+what+you+think+it+means.jpg)

Eh I think it does
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Steve Contra on January 09, 2013, 08:13:37 PM
No, it doesn't.  I'm guessing you meant "debacle"

Definition of DEBAUCHERY

1
a : extreme indulgence in sensuality
b plural : orgies
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: etiolate on January 09, 2013, 08:15:34 PM
debauchery  
de·bauch·er·y  [dih-baw-chuh-ree]  Show IPA
noun, plural de·bauch·er·ies.
1.
excessive indulgence in sensual pleasures; intemperance.
2.
Archaic. seduction from duty, allegiance, or virtue.


Clearly you don't understand what Stern gets off to.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Mandark on January 09, 2013, 08:17:46 PM
Quote from: etiolate on January 09, 2013, 08:15:34 PM
Clearly you don't understand what Stern gets off to.

That being bitter, bitter tears.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 09, 2013, 08:37:02 PM
Quote from: etiolate on January 09, 2013, 04:10:52 PM
Also, expect all the team swapping and name changing and work stoppages to kill brand and team identity with the NBA the same way it did with the NHL.

How do you explain the US' apathy towards the NHL before those problems?

Even during the lockout, Ballislife clips were getting more views than NHL games ever did.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: etiolate on January 09, 2013, 08:41:39 PM
what

Not sure all those things we'd be talking about are relevant to each other.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 09, 2013, 08:45:32 PM
The NHL has never been popular in the US. The thing that has hurt it the most is lack of ESPN coverage. The lockout that wiped an entire season only led to increase revenue, especially in Canada.

The NFL had a few work stoppages and then had five relocations of franchises, including actual important franchises unlike the Kings,  in the span of about a decade--yet it only became more popular.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: etiolate on January 09, 2013, 08:51:34 PM
I'm pretty sure the fact that franchises changed cities and names and that lineages and histories of teams got lost along the way hurt the NHL. Nowhere did I say that was solely to blame for the NHL's problems as some of you are about to be dumb enough to imply.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Mandark on January 09, 2013, 08:59:48 PM
No, you said that plus work stoppages "kill[ed] the brand" for the NHL.  But Malek's right on both counts: it was never that popular in the US, and the league's failure to get ESPN on board easily dwarfs those or any other problems with how they've run the league.

Anyways, the Kings already played in then abandoned Rochester, Cincinnati, and Kansas City.  If leaving those cities didn't bring the association crumbling down I'm not sure why ditching Sacramento would.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 09, 2013, 09:02:36 PM
During the last sixteen years, the NHL has had one franchise move (unless you want to count the Islanders upcoming move from one part of the NY area to another part of the NY area), and the franchise that moved didn't even exist until 1999--and most of the city, Atlanta, probably never knew it existed in the first place.

Unlike in the NFL, no historic NHL franchise has moved since the 40s. The Leafs, Canadiens, Rangers, Bruins, Red Wings, Blackhhawks have all remained in their respective cities. Newer franchises with good history like the Blues, Flyers, Islanders, Sabres, Penguins, Canucks, Flames, and Oilers have never moved.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 09, 2013, 09:07:02 PM
this thread is a debauchery
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 09, 2013, 09:07:45 PM
The NBA or NHL would be hurt if popular franchises with wide-support like the Lakers, Knicks, Celtics, Rangers, Bruins, or Red Wings moved. But, because of the lack of NFL-type revenue sharing, that's not going to happen. The local TV rights are too lucrative.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 09, 2013, 09:08:23 PM
the Rockets put up 37pts in the 3rd last night, so far tonight they've put up 36pts in two quarters
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: pilonv1 on January 09, 2013, 09:12:44 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on January 09, 2013, 09:11:14 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 09, 2013, 09:08:23 PM
the Rockets put up 37pts in the 3rd last night, so far tonight they've put up 36pts in two quarters

Can't play the Lakers every night.

:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 09, 2013, 09:13:59 PM
:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Beezy on January 09, 2013, 11:01:08 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/DlRo6.gif)

Why? :rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 09, 2013, 11:02:43 PM
Amazing
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 09, 2013, 11:54:53 PM
lakerseason.gif
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 10, 2013, 12:08:46 AM
You're less of a Laker fan and more of a Kobe fan. Konex 2.0.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 10, 2013, 12:52:22 AM
You were a fan of the Lakers before you were a fan of Kobe Bryant and young girls in England were fans of Take That before they were fans of Robbie Williams. What's my point? I'm sleepy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 10, 2013, 04:21:38 PM
Greg Oden wants to return, and the Heat are interested  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 10, 2013, 05:02:40 PM
So apparently the Maloof's want a say in the ownership of the Kings.

Bat. shit. crazy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 10, 2013, 05:40:13 PM
fucking lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 10, 2013, 07:50:33 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 10, 2013, 04:21:38 PM
Greg Oden wants to return, and the Heat are interested  :lol

Steve Kerr was on Bill Simmons' podcast recently and he said he would sign Oden 'in a heartbeat' if he was still a GM. The odds are low but so would be the price - good bet. And at least you know he won't destroy the locker room and make a mess in the media like Iverson.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 10, 2013, 08:17:33 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 10, 2013, 07:50:33 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 10, 2013, 04:21:38 PM
Greg Oden wants to return, and the Heat are interested  :lol

Steve Kerr was on Bill Simmons' podcast recently and he said he would sign Oden 'in a heartbeat' if he was still a GM. The odds are low but so would be the price - good bet. And at least you know he won't destroy the locker room and make a mess in the media like Iverson.
And it's not like the player taking up 13th roster spot is any good or getting any PT.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Bacchus7 on January 10, 2013, 08:18:04 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 10, 2013, 07:50:33 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 10, 2013, 04:21:38 PM
Greg Oden wants to return, and the Heat are interested  :lol

Steve Kerr was on Bill Simmons' podcast recently and he said he would sign Oden 'in a heartbeat' if he was still a GM. The odds are low but so would be the price - good bet. And at least you know he won't destroy the locker room and make a mess in the media like Iverson.

Low.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 10, 2013, 08:22:30 PM
Can't hurt but Riles is so conservative.  He wouldn't even take a late 1st round risk on Perry Jones.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 10, 2013, 08:24:15 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on January 10, 2013, 08:17:33 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 10, 2013, 07:50:33 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 10, 2013, 04:21:38 PM
Greg Oden wants to return, and the Heat are interested  :lol

Steve Kerr was on Bill Simmons' podcast recently and he said he would sign Oden 'in a heartbeat' if he was still a GM. The odds are low but so would be the price - good bet. And at least you know he won't destroy the locker room and make a mess in the media like Iverson.
And it's not like the player taking up 13th roster spot is any good or getting any PT.

Absolutely. Of course, if we are talking a contract like the one Brandon Roy signed with the T-Wolves, it's maybe a different story. I'm assuming a minimal outlay with team options up the wazoo. A few bargain-basement players that outperform their contracts can really give a boost, like Blatche is doing, or even Sheed/Kurt Thomas/Camby in NY.

Then again, Eddy Curry barely played for the Heat despite seemingly being in shape so who knows.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: etiolate on January 10, 2013, 11:17:27 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on January 10, 2013, 05:02:40 PM
So apparently the Maloof's want a say in the ownership of the Kings.

Bat. shit. crazy.

Welcome to our world.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: pilonv1 on January 10, 2013, 11:24:04 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 10, 2013, 07:50:33 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 10, 2013, 04:21:38 PM
Greg Oden wants to return, and the Heat are interested  :lol

Steve Kerr was on Bill Simmons' podcast recently and he said he would sign Oden 'in a heartbeat' if he was still a GM. The odds are low but so would be the price - good bet. And at least you know he won't destroy the locker room and make a mess in the media like Iverson.

It's a low risk/high reward move that I'd do 100/100 times if I was a GM, depending on the contract size.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 10, 2013, 11:27:43 PM
Let's not forget that Robert Sacre is starting for the Lakers right now. I mean, Oden could literally be on crutches and outperform that guy
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 10, 2013, 11:52:51 PM
Didn't think it was possible but Austin Rivers has serious competition for bust of the Rivers family

(http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Callie-Rivers-has-enjoyable-curves.jpg)

(http://media-cache-ec4.pinterest.com/avatars/calliemrivers_1327741110_600.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2013, 12:18:29 AM
 :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 11, 2013, 12:23:27 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/kytiY.jpg)

:smug

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 11, 2013, 12:37:11 AM
In a pickup game today, we kept telling this ballhog on our team to finish it.  It took him 6 tries but he finally got it.  Everyone laughed that he was clutch,  just like the Mamba. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: etiolate on January 11, 2013, 12:52:26 AM
good old hardcore nba ref bullshit in this mavs-kings game
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 11, 2013, 03:15:59 AM
Fucking heat lose again.  :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 11, 2013, 03:48:44 AM
I thought they had it wrapped up too, 'til Matthews hit those two 3s. oh well, keep on cruisin' i guess
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 11, 2013, 01:36:42 PM
That was some entertaining basketball on last night. Didn't give a shit about any of those teams, but still watched most all of it.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 11, 2013, 11:33:05 PM
Jordan Hill out for the season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 11, 2013, 11:45:42 PM
Lakers give up 39 points in the 2nd quarter. 64 for the half. Well on their way to 15-21.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 12, 2013, 12:17:19 AM
You can tell Durant just wants to crush the Lakers tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 12, 2013, 12:30:54 AM
Durant's got 40 points [on 15-22 shooting] in just the first three quarters. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 12, 2013, 01:14:04 AM
encouraging loss by the Lakers tonight
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 12, 2013, 04:07:22 AM
Spurs - Grizzles was f'ing GREAT. The Grizz can be so completely inept but the way they defend and score off steals is just so wildly entertaining
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers Crash and burn)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 13, 2013, 04:32:01 AM
Chalmers hit TEN three's tonight  :o

spoiler (click to show/hide)
against the kings
[close]

also

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=player_embedded&v=15DgzMMiZx0

:rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers Crash and burn)
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 13, 2013, 08:43:12 PM
Got these from a friend, freaking classic


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrOH-KHxXg0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqjbtZywfkc&noredirect=1
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers Crash and burn)
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 13, 2013, 10:24:34 PM
Any team that wants to score in the paint on the cavs can. It's sad to see it happen every night.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers Crash and burn)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 13, 2013, 10:42:44 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 13, 2013, 10:24:34 PM
Any team that wants to score in the paint on the cavs can. It's sad to see it happen every night.


To be fair they are missing Varejao.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers Crash and burn)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 14, 2013, 03:46:56 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on January 13, 2013, 11:45:34 PM
Well, the shitheads managed not to blow that lead. Just five games under .500 now.

(http://www.the-coli.com/images/smilies/comeon.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers Crash and burn)
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 14, 2013, 09:53:12 PM
How are the Clips routing without CP3?  I can't watch the game tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers Crash and burn)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 14, 2013, 11:13:46 PM
Quote
EL SEGUNDO, Calif. -- If the Los Angeles Lakers are going to make a push to get back in the postseason hunt, they'll have to improve their defense.

Therefore, the Lakers have turned to none other than Kobe Bryant to spearhead that defensive turnaround.

Bryant drew the primary defensive assignment against Kyrie Irving on Sunday and limited the Cleveland Cavaliers star guard to just 15 points in the Lakers' 113-93 victory.

In the wake of Bryant's outstanding effort against Irving, Lakers coach Mike D'Antoni has vowed to use the veteran guard in similar defensive situations.

"I think that really helped us," D'Antoni said. "It helped us against the Clippers with Chris Paul. (Bryant) wants to take the challenge, and it really helps us."

 ::)

They make it so easy to despise them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 14, 2013, 11:34:00 PM
Maybe if Kobe wasn't whining for calls after many of his shots, his defense would be better in general this year as he got back on defense. But all power to this new master strategy. I'm sure it's going to work gangbusters for them like all the other stuff has.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 14, 2013, 11:44:31 PM
At least Lebron didn't steal his nickname from a movie that everybody watched
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 14, 2013, 11:50:23 PM
I dunno why anyone would take Dave McMenamin and Ramona Shelburne seriously

They're nothing but mouthpieces for Kobe
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 14, 2013, 11:51:56 PM
I just find the article laughable. They beat the fucking Cavaliers. At Home in Staples.  With the cavs missing their 2nd best player. The very game they got their center back. Not to mention the cavs are just dreadful in general. But they act as if Kobe just shut down Kevin Durant and the Thunder or something. And now the answer is that Kobe is going to step up his defense. In a year where he's been pretty average on defense. And they supposedly have the best defensive player in the NBA (despite injuries) in Dwight Howard. But Kobe drawing the best offensive player is now the magic bullet. It's just laughable. Blame the writer maybe for it but still.

I don't hate Kobe or anything. It just is a ludicrous idea that Kobe's defense is going to fix their ills and they just realized it all of a sudden.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 14, 2013, 11:55:56 PM
Like I said,  never take Dave McMenamin and Ramona Shelburne seriously

Their main agenda is to make Kobe look good
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 15, 2013, 12:11:08 AM
And the Heat fucking lose on the road again. Get outrebounded 40 to 23.

Chris Bosh pulls down 1 rebound in 27 minutes. ONE REBOUND. He's pulled down 14 rebounds in the last 4 games total in 130 minutes.

FUCK THIS TEAM.


Time to switch bandwagons!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 15, 2013, 12:17:39 AM
Just like Kobe, Bosh needs to dedicate himself to rebounding like Kobe does defense. And that will fix the rebounding problems with this team. It's just that simple!

 :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 15, 2013, 12:19:44 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 15, 2013, 12:11:08 AM
Time to switch bandwagons!

There's still room left on the Thunder bandwagon.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 15, 2013, 12:21:50 AM
There's room over here too,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdZ-09YtuV0
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 15, 2013, 12:28:01 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on January 10, 2013, 11:52:51 PM
Didn't think it was possible but Austin Rivers has serious competition for bust of the Rivers family

One more post for tonight before bed. Just noticed this but yeah Austin Rivers is having a historically bad Rookie Campaign. I don't follow college basketball at all anymore so I didn't know much about him but he seems utterly unprepared for the NBA.

He's shooting 33% from the field and 57% from the line. Which is actually better than his last 10 games where he's been shooting 23% from the field. Good lord.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on January 15, 2013, 12:33:21 AM
To be fair, that article about Kobe's defense is written by a guy who's basically a Lakers beat reporter.  You check any daily paper's coverage of their local team and there are dozens of stories like that a year, where they take some minor tactical wrinkle, change in player rotation, or an area the coach is stressing in particular that week and stretch it into a story.  Only thanks to the internet and ESPN Los Angeles, it gets spread around more.  No biggie.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers week of destiny)
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 15, 2013, 12:35:08 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 15, 2013, 12:28:01 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on January 10, 2013, 11:52:51 PM
Didn't think it was possible but Austin Rivers has serious competition for bust of the Rivers family

One more post for tonight before bed. Just noticed this but yeah Austin Rivers is having a historically bad Rookie Campaign. I don't follow college basketball at all anymore so I didn't know much about him but he seems utterly unprepared for the NBA.

He's shooting 33% from the field and 57% from the line. Which is actually better than his last 10 games where he's been shooting 23% from the field. Good lord.
not really unexpected for a player whose best attributes were his pedigree and "clutch gene"

pretty sad for someone who was gonna destroy Lebron

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/03/austin-rivers-i-want-to-destroy-lebron-on-the-court-one-day/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on January 15, 2013, 12:36:43 AM
You could tell in college he was going to be in trouble. He's a sub par athlete for the NBA, and he's a streaky shooter at best. He always had the ball in his hands and can't play off the ball. Never had to deal with longer defenders pressuring him. Didn't had to be a true point guard and run a team at Duke.

I think he's salvageable, but someone is going to need to break him down and rebuild his game. It's not similar to say JJ Redick, who came in with an elite skill and sucked everywhere else, but got stronger and improved his ball handling and defense to where he's now a good NBA player.

Rivers elite skill was confidence, and he's had it beaten out of him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 15, 2013, 08:35:28 AM
Hey, Jimmer Fredette turned it around in a shocking way too, so even Rivers is not a lost cause. But it is a bit like not counting out a team that is down by 20 going into the 4th. It might happen but the odds are way against it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 15, 2013, 11:34:18 AM
Stoney, the time to get upset about the Heat isn't until the second round of the playoffs.  You and I and everyone knows that they're still pretty much gonna be the favorites in the East even if they don't secure the top seed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 15, 2013, 11:38:48 AM
Fredette plays kind of sloppy. At least he did last night in the Cavs game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 15, 2013, 12:55:15 PM
Austin Rivers' bust potential was sealed the minute he committed to Duke. He struggled against good physical teams, didn't shoot well, and wasn't much of a factor in the ncaa tournament. He was never dominant so I was confused why he was so quickly considered a lottery lock before falling to 10.

Doesn't NO have a deep PG/guard lineup? I'm sure he can play better than he is now, but I doubt he'll be much more than a bench player
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 15, 2013, 02:05:14 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 15, 2013, 11:34:18 AM
Stoney, the time to get upset about the Heat isn't until the second round of the playoffs.  You and I and everyone knows that they're still pretty much gonna be the favorites in the East even if they don't secure the top seed.
Logically I understand that but the heat still annoy the fuck out of me. I respect a team like the bulls that goes out there and plays hard every night superstar or not. it's frustrating when the defending champs don't do the same.

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The Heat are out of focus and they're sniping. At their coach, Erik Spoelstra. At each other. Probably at their friends and loved ones, too.

Wade's been in the middle of it a few times on the trip. Last week in Indianapolis, he scored 23 points in the first half of a game and then didn't get a shot in the third quarter. Monday, he didn't play in the fourth quarter -- calling it a benching isn't accurate -- when Spoelstra decided to play James with four bench players as the Heat attempted a rally that fell short.

"I don't know, I just always stay ready," Wade said curtly but not disrespectfully, much like he treated his disappearance from the offense in the loss in Indiana. "Coach makes the calls. I'm just a player."

Wade's body language said enough. Before the Heat left on this trip, Wade was asked if he missed the days of taking 20 to 25 shots a game. The days before James and Bosh and being relegated to the third option some nights. Wade's response: "Every day."

A few days ago, Bosh said the Heat weren't doing enough to ride players with "hot hands" after he was forgotten in the offense during a night when he shot 13-for-18 in a loss at Portland. He was referring to himself and Wade, the direction of the comment not being clear.

Monday morning he explained why he was going on a push on Twitter to get All-Star votes on the last day for fans to cast ballots. He was just 35,000 votes behind getting his first starting spot.

"Just being competitive," Bosh said. "I saw that I was behind, and I'm like, 'All right, whatever I can do.' It's not everything, but in the spirit of competition, let me do what I can."

Then Bosh got one rebound in 27 minutes as the Heat were whipped 40-23 on the boards and outscored 19-0 in second-chance points by the Jazz. He's averaging just five rebounds a game over the past seven games and is currently averaging the fewest rebounds of his career. It was not being competitive.

His explanation was the following:

"Sometimes I'm in position where I have to compete with my teammates for a rebound and sometimes I do get beat, I'm human," said Bosh. "In the beginning of the game, I guess a few times I'm going to beat my own teammates. I don't pay attention to numbers."

Unless, apparently, they're All-Star voting numbers. Nonetheless, Bosh has been using this friendly fire rebounding excuse often recently. It seems he's finding it harder to say with immunity.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 15, 2013, 02:22:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D56HkRgpJm

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 15, 2013, 04:28:49 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 15, 2013, 11:38:48 AM
Fredette plays kind of sloppy. At least he did last night in the Cavs game.

He still needs to improve his ball handling and defense. They don't normally play Jimmer without Reke or Salmons on the court to handle the ball for him. He's vastly improved over last year where he didn't look like he even belonged in the NBA.

He's been given the backup PG spot over Aaron Brooks. It's like the one good roster move Smart has done this year. Brooks is just straight fuckball.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 15, 2013, 08:46:46 PM
Stoney, I get the frustration but you know the Bulls HAVE to play hard every night - it's the only way they can win enough games to keep them in the hunt 'til Rose gets back. They are killing Noah and Deng - I seriously think Thibs is taking years off Deng's career. There is absolutely no reason to beat down the Heat's Big 3 like that during the regular season, unless LeBron decides he wants to chase a few more low-hanging records.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 16, 2013, 07:33:55 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/magic-johnson-reconciles-isiah-thomas-tweets-glad-friends-173825142--nba.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 17, 2013, 03:13:47 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=204SD7Sk_uc
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 17, 2013, 04:59:11 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 15, 2013, 12:55:15 PM
He was never dominant so I was confused why he was so quickly considered a lottery lock before falling to 10.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S4rJSz8FaA
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 17, 2013, 03:20:26 PM
Heat versus the Lakers tonight at LA.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 17, 2013, 03:47:20 PM
Battle of The Regular Season Chokers and the Epic Failures
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 17, 2013, 07:27:34 PM
LeBron was fucking unreal against GSW. I continue to be amazed at how he shakes off blows that would have Vince Carter in the ICU. I was thinking it might be fun to search back through this thread for when the news about the Heat coming together first broke, because I'm sure I was saying stuff like 'whoo hoo, think about all the havoc LeBron will wreak now that he can play off the ball and let Wade initiate the offense!' :lol   I was so wrong on that one. He's a point guard, and a dominant one. If that's all he ever did, he'd have a Hall of Fame career. He just also happens to be a dominant 3 and 4. 5k assists doesn't happen just because you get a lot of touches.

Lakers are looking significantly better now that Dwight is more sprightly. He's not yet dominant but he's back in the elite category I think.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 17, 2013, 07:28:44 PM
The most dominant player on the floor,

but can't dominate male pattern baldness  :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 17, 2013, 07:29:40 PM
my thinking on that is that if Tim Ferriss can't beat it, no-one can
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 17, 2013, 10:48:01 PM
Miami just stunting on the Lakers so far

and a Nash airball, followed by a turnover? disappointing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 17, 2013, 10:54:01 PM
I would so like to trade Chris Bosh. Let's see if he can actually get any rebounds tonight and not just shoot deep jumpers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 17, 2013, 10:55:09 PM
you need the DMC
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 17, 2013, 11:06:42 PM
clark on lebron :rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 17, 2013, 11:11:01 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 17, 2013, 10:54:01 PM
I would so like to trade Chris Bosh. Let's see if he can actually get any rebounds tonight and not just shoot deep jumpers.

any feasible options before the deadline?  somebody who can grab boards I suppose, but bosh's midlevel jumpers can be pretty lethal, don't know if I'd trade that away
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 17, 2013, 11:16:53 PM
Ugly game.  Feels likei I'm watching the cavs and bobcats.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 17, 2013, 11:17:36 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 17, 2013, 11:11:01 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 17, 2013, 10:54:01 PM
I would so like to trade Chris Bosh. Let's see if he can actually get any rebounds tonight and not just shoot deep jumpers.

any feasible options before the deadline?  somebody who can grab boards I suppose, but bosh's midlevel jumpers can be pretty lethal, don't know if I'd trade that away

To be fair I'm kinda hating. If you discount his rebounding Bosh is technically having a really good season. He's shooting like 55% and always has a solid FT%. I think a large part of that is the presence of Lebron but going by the numbers Bosh is pretty good. I just wish we had a more physical and traditional center. Honestly I would rather have Pau despite his awful numbers. I have a feeling if you put him with Lebron he would put up nearly the same numbers as Bosh currently does and I think he's actually a little more physical than Bosh.

But back to reality there is no way they would trade Bosh. He's playing too well and I think any trade of Bosh is an admission of failure and the heat seem like a team that would rather run into a brick wall than admit certain mistakes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 17, 2013, 11:19:49 PM
Miami needs an energy guy like varejao. Someone that plays defense but isn't a complete liability on offense.

Joel Anthony just isn't cutting it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 17, 2013, 11:21:32 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 17, 2013, 11:19:49 PM
Miami needs an energy guy like varejao. Someone that plays defense but isn't a complete liability on offense.

I would kill for Varejao but there is no way in hell we could get him.  :'(

He would be a huge improvement over Bosh for this team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 17, 2013, 11:21:44 PM
Cousins is totally available but he would take a bunch of stuff off the table obviously. Riley would never go for it unless the Heat were in real trouble right now, which they are not. All they need to do is play their rebounders more minutes and sacrifice some offense and the rebounding will improve.

You also have the Jazz's 4 man big rotation - surely some of those guys are gonna get moved. Bargnani also totally available but that would be :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 17, 2013, 11:25:18 PM
I haven't been following the Cavs as closely as I used to when I lived in Cleveland...I know Varejao is having a good season but I always hated him a few years ago.  Always thought he was a flopping Sideshow Bob.  Is he having a good offensive season or something?  Or is he just playing really great defense?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 17, 2013, 11:26:50 PM
Well, he's injured so his trade potential just plummeted. He's averaging like 14-14, which is pretty hot. With great D.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 17, 2013, 11:28:46 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 17, 2013, 11:25:18 PM
I haven't been following the Cavs as closely as I used to when I lived in Cleveland...I know Varejao is having a good season but I always hated him a few years ago.  Always thought he was a flopping Sideshow Bob.  Is he having a good offensive season or something?  Or is he just playing really great defense?

Varejao just gives a shitload of effort and energy. He would not be a guy on the heat who just mails in the regular season. What he lacks in technical skills, he makes up for with hustle which I just really like. He was probably going to the All-Star game this year if he hadn't got hurt.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 17, 2013, 11:28:59 PM
yeah I knew he was hurt, but if he's having a great season I don't know why the cavs would even consider trading him considering the season they're having
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 17, 2013, 11:31:15 PM
the heat are playing garbage half-court offense
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 17, 2013, 11:31:22 PM
he's not even old or overpaid...and apparently the Cavs are asking for the sun, the moon and the stars for him so it's likely nothing will happen
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 17, 2013, 11:32:22 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 17, 2013, 11:28:59 PM
yeah I knew he was hurt, but if he's having a great season I don't know why the cavs would even consider trading him considering the season they're having


He's probably the most tradeable asset on that team because he's not good enough to take that team to another level but he could really help a title contender or just a decent team that needs what he brings. You wouldn't trade Irving because he's who you are going to build around for the future but Varejao is just valuable trade bait for them really imo. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 17, 2013, 11:33:24 PM
kobe's like 3 for 11 lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 17, 2013, 11:33:42 PM
Irving needs to be in the All Star game btw, he's having a far better season than Rondo or :yuck Deron IMHO
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 17, 2013, 11:39:39 PM
Antawn Jamison has to be one of the biggest garbage time players in nba history. He puts up good stats but you are hard pressed to remember a game where he was a difference maker in a win.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 17, 2013, 11:41:11 PM
he was one of the worst moves the cavs made during that last season where lebron was there  :yuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 17, 2013, 11:43:13 PM
He wasn't much better with the Wizards either. He would always choke in the playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 17, 2013, 11:43:41 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 17, 2013, 04:59:11 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 15, 2013, 12:55:15 PM
He was never dominant so I was confused why he was so quickly considered a lottery lock before falling to 10.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S4rJSz8FaA
Skip  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 17, 2013, 11:44:07 PM
he's a disgusting cherry picker who plays no D and is never around the ball when it counts
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 17, 2013, 11:57:08 PM
from nba-gaf:

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I still maintain if the Lakers could cut their turnovers down they would beat Miami in a series. Miami is to small.

fucking loooooool
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 18, 2013, 12:08:43 AM
The problem with that hypothesis is that they need to get through three rounds of  better balanced teams to get the chance.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 18, 2013, 12:21:28 AM
kobe is terrible
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 18, 2013, 12:37:44 AM
Lebron is killing tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 18, 2013, 12:39:12 AM
in typical fashion, everyone at gaf thinks bron's been fouling everytime he has the ball.  suffering from shinobi symptoms.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 18, 2013, 12:49:20 AM
Can't believe Nash is failing to make basic entry passes to these guys. Heat perimeter D is god-tier. Still, the Lakers are looking good when they can actually run something.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 18, 2013, 12:52:20 AM
we got a shoot-out!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 18, 2013, 12:54:08 AM
hahahahahahahha

fantastic
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 18, 2013, 12:55:24 AM
Kobe is a bad motherfucker alright
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 18, 2013, 12:55:36 AM
fun game despite how sloppy its been on both sides.  lebron and wade are pretty much all the heat have at the moment, and the lakers' big men are actually playing pretty well with kobe finally turning on in the last period.  good shit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 18, 2013, 12:56:09 AM
so when does Battier rip off his jersey to reveal the Lakers one underneath
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 18, 2013, 12:57:18 AM
Seriously.  he's been awful.  but so has everyone else in regards to perimeter shooting other than bron and wade.

where's miller!!!!!  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 18, 2013, 12:58:57 AM
fucking lol at that alley oop pass
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 18, 2013, 01:00:58 AM
Miami should hack Dwight for the next two minutes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 18, 2013, 01:01:53 AM
Holy shit, a post entry pass that got through....feel like someone just hit a 60 footer
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 18, 2013, 01:03:52 AM
I like to bitch about refs as much as the next joe shmoe, but good lord at laker fans at some of the forums I visit, including gaf.  LOLOLOLO MIAMIREFS AMIRITE STERN SUX

christ.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 18, 2013, 01:08:49 AM
Whoohoo the mole is gone
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 18, 2013, 01:09:49 AM
Was a good game. Looks like Miami is gonna take it but it wasn't easy. Lakers played well for them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 18, 2013, 01:10:48 AM
lebron is just fucking amazing
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 18, 2013, 01:11:20 AM
That sequence was pretty amazing. Both the new Lakers fail hard and then lebron nails the dagger.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 18, 2013, 01:11:31 AM
What's with the 4th quarter commentary?  Bron is clearly the best player on the floor yet most of the talk was focused on Kobe-Jordan comparisons. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 18, 2013, 01:15:28 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on January 18, 2013, 01:11:31 AM
What's with the 4th quarter commentary?  Bron is clearly the best player on the floor yet most of the talk was focused on Kobe-Jordan comparisons.

kobe retirement coming

we can only hope
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 18, 2013, 01:16:21 AM
Well, that's Reggie...loves that reflected glory. Probably thinks of MJ as his rival :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 18, 2013, 01:17:50 AM
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Stern loves his Heat. Whatcha gonna do.
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What are the chances we can ever see in professional sports, fines to referees?

I don't mean this season, but you know ever. If they just miss calls left and right, or call things incorrectly so blatantly?
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I think I know why LeBron was trying so hard, because Kobe had more all-star votes. It all make sense now.
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Joey Crawford can also go fuck himself with his unequal calls. It didnt cost them the game but seriously fuck that guy.

the tears.  the gorgeous tears.

also if that last quote is true, WTF.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 18, 2013, 01:27:58 AM
Tom Haberstroh with the only stat that matters

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LeBron and Kobe each took 25 FGA. LeBron scored 39, Kobe 22.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 18, 2013, 01:41:10 AM
Born in Pittsburgh, but we moved to Ohio and we lived in Lebron's home town while he played basketball in middle and high school.  Went to every single St. Vincent-St. Mary game in 2002 and 2003.  Wasn't an NBA fan growing up other than being infatuated with Jordan since he had so much media attention.  As a Pittsburgh native, I had no real team to root for, so I just enjoyed watching the playoffs when they were broadcasted. When Lebron got drafted to the Cavs, seeing as though I had been a fan of his and had personally met him (my oldest sister was good friends with some of his friends), I rooted for Lebron in Cleveland.  And as much as I hated The Decision, I'm going to root for Lebron no matter where he is, because I've been a fan ever since he was basically 15 years old.

My teams:

NFL: Steelers
MLB: Pirates/Indians
NHL: Penguins
NBA: Cavs and Lebron

I dont care how shitty it sounds to you.  Those teams are what have historically entertained and made me feel excited in the last 15 odd years.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 18, 2013, 01:44:48 AM
well i'm Irish and I like the Celtics. i think that's pretty much unassailable
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 18, 2013, 01:53:31 AM
Well, this is the prime of the greatest player of our era's career. If you can't enjoy i feel bad for you son etc

Dunno about you but I fucking hated the Lakers during Kobe's prime but I still loved watching him play
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 18, 2013, 02:09:06 AM
that's pretty irrational but i'm not gonna waste the time trying to convince you - it's been 10 years and he clearly fucking IS the Chosen One
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 18, 2013, 02:10:42 AM
Lebron always struck a chord with me that other superstars didn't. I think its because I grew up with Bird and Magic so my favorite type of player was somebody who could kind of do it all. Pass, score, and rebound and Lebron is a throwback to that.

Jordan was a different type of player. I respected Jordan, but he wasn't my personal type of favorite player and personally I actually didn't like him or the bulls. I think he's the greatest player to ever play the game and intellectually I completely understand that but he wasn't my favorite unlike most basketball fans of that era.

Kobe for me falls into the Jordan camp. I intellectually and aesthetically appreciate his game but it was never my favorite brand of basketball.

My hometown never had a basketball team so I was always more player focused when it came to rooting for teams.

As a kid I was a huge Celtics fan. But once Parish, McHale, and Bird were done, I never quite felt the same for the franchise although I do retain a soft spot for them. After a few years my team become the Magic as I really fell in love with Shaq and Penny Hardaway. Penny was another one of those do it all kind of players that I tend to fall for.

After that era ended oddly enough the next team I adopted was that Pistons team that won a title and was good for a number of years. Aesthetically they were ugly as hell on offense but I found them really compelling the way that team felt like a real unit. Every player was better because of the way they fit and that was very appealing to me.

Then Lebron came and I immediately gravitated to him. I didn't like the Cavs but I liked him so I rooted for the Cavs. Once he went to Miami that was even better since it was a florida team and my home state.





Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 18, 2013, 02:18:34 AM
Lakers would have won if it was a 1v1 between Kobe and a random Heat player
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 18, 2013, 03:15:48 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 18, 2013, 02:18:34 AM
Lakers would have won if it was a 1v1 between Kobe and a random Heat player

aka derp
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 18, 2013, 03:09:15 PM
Somehow I missed this one. Old but funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2NjCaHAo-8
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on January 18, 2013, 04:42:03 PM
wtf :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 18, 2013, 04:57:50 PM
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/225655/McGrady_Denies_Ever_Playing_Kobe_One_On_One_In_Germany

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Kobe Bryant told ESPN on Thursday that he beat Tracy McGrady in a one-on-one game early in their careers during a promotional tour in Germany.

"When I was about 20, we were in Germany doing some promotional stuff for that other sneaker company and we played basketball every day," said Bryant. "We were in the gym all the time. We played three games of one-on-one to 11. I won all three games. One game I won 11-2. After the third game he said he had back spasms and couldn’t play anymore."

McGrady heard about Bryant's version of the story and responded on Twitter.

"LOL Hell no! That's far from the truth. No one in the NBA is playing 1 on 1. Me and KB never went to Germany together either.."

edit:
In the summer of 1998, Kobe turned 20 after McGrady's first season in which he averaged 7.0 points and 1.5 assists. In 1999, Kobe turned 21 after McGrady's second season season in which he averaged 9.3 points and 2.3 assists.

He was a ninth overall pick playing for the Craptors--why would anyone in Germany want to see him play.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 18, 2013, 05:16:45 PM
Me and Google:

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Jun 20, 2003 / --- NBA Superstar Tracy "TMAC" McGrady began his offseason with a visit to Germany.

 After Berlin, TMAC and his group went to the adidas Headquarters in southern Germany. TMAC and adidas CEO, Herbert Hainer, introduced the new T-MAC 3 (will hit retailers on November 1, 2003) to the crowd.

"It is a great feeling to have your own shoe. Each year I have worked with the adidas design team to make the shoe even better. I can tell you that the T-MAC 3 is the best one yet," added TMAC.

Both the T-MAC 1 (launched in January 2002) and the T-MAC 2 (launched November, 2002) quickly became the number one selling sports shoe in the US.

Then TMAC put on a basketball show for the adidas employees and the media. A three on three tournament took place at the adidas World of Sports complex. The games featured teams led by TMAC, his brother Chance McGrady and Bob Myers of TMAC's management agency, SFX. 
Odd they didn't mention Kobe, who was about to turn 25.

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It was TMAC's second European trip, both being in connection with adidas, as he was in Paris for the 1998 adidas EURO abc Camp.
OK, my inductive argument was shit. But, still.

edit: beaten by realgm forums
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The facts so far :
- Antoine Walker had his ADIDAS basketball camp in Chicago, USA, in 1998. Not Germany.
- T-Mac went to Germany for ADIDAS basketball camp in 2003. Not 1998.
- T-Mac was in Paris, France for his ADIDAS camp in 1998.
- It could not have been in 1999, because TMAC's camp was in Taiwan.

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I like that this board has completely discounted that there is even a possibility Google would not know that they were in Germany at the same time. If Google doesn't have it, NO WAY!

 :lol
Shit, is altavista or lycos still around?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 18, 2013, 05:33:24 PM
On the other hand, would Kobe ever lie about a one-on-one encounter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on January 18, 2013, 05:40:54 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on January 18, 2013, 05:33:24 PM
On the other hand, would Kobe ever lie about a one-on-one encounter.
:ohhh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 18, 2013, 05:48:57 PM
....

MEANWHILE IN ACTUAL NEWS

Alvin Gentry got fired. COME TO THE KINGS AAAAAAAAAAALVIN
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on January 18, 2013, 05:51:33 PM
I thought you said real news?

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Right there he had created a challenge for himself. He created challenges where other players saw nothing. To this day, my favorite one is the LaBradford Smith saga. The story goes that back when Smith was playing for the Bullets, he scored 37 against Jordan and the Bulls one night in Chicago. Jordan put out the word that Smith had mocked him by saying, "Nice game, Mike." Jordan said he wanted all 37 back in the first half the next night in Capital Centre, and he got 36 of them. By halftime.

Now, here's where the good stuff starts. Jordan, with that signature wink, finally admitted last year he'd made up the whole thing. What's even more amazing is that the Bullets players were so in awe of him, Smith never denied the story and his teammates believed Jordan. In fact, Bullets who didn't even play with Smith had passed on the story and believed it. Even more amazing: Jordan used a fictional story to fire himself up, meaning more than likely, he had to believe the story.

Kobe jocking MJ again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 18, 2013, 05:54:08 PM
The real question- was Lennay Kekua at this Kobe/T-mac 1on1?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 18, 2013, 07:05:09 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on January 18, 2013, 05:54:08 PM
The real question- was Lennay Kekua at this Kobe/T-mac 1on1?

She was and, according to Kobe, she consented to everything.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 18, 2013, 07:06:06 PM
Quote from: etiolate on January 18, 2013, 05:48:57 PM
....

MEANWHILE IN ACTUAL NEWS


This from someone regularly posting about the Seattle Kings.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 18, 2013, 07:23:59 PM
and Stern's NBA
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 18, 2013, 07:25:12 PM
:lol

This bullshit about not wanting to play one-on-one or appear in the Slam Dunk contest has got to end. Kyrie Irving has the right idea - just bust people on camera and say it's for charity, eventually someone will cave. I mean, we need to see LeBron vs Durant throw down before they're 50. Who'd have a problem with replacing the skills challenge with a one-on-one grudge match on mic? Other than maybe Larry Brown
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 18, 2013, 07:28:41 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 18, 2013, 07:25:12 PM
:lol

This bullshit about not wanting to play one-on-one or appear in the Slam Dunk contest has got to end. Kyrie Irving has the right idea - just bust people on camera and say it's for charity, eventually someone will cave. I mean, we need to see LeBron vs Durant throw down before they're 50. Who'd have a problem with replacing the skills challenge with a one-on-one grudge match on mic? Other than maybe Larry Brown

$5 million prize, with half to charity.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 18, 2013, 07:32:26 PM
would kickstart.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 18, 2013, 08:54:46 PM
ok, the True Hoop piece on scoring is brilliant and explains a lot about why scorers with elite passing skills (like LeBron, Westbrook - who you may not think is a skilled passer but look at the numbers before you say something stupid...) or the ability to shoot over any defense (Durant, Melo, Kobe, Dirk) are the only ones still putting up big scoring numbers.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/53534/where-have-all-the-gunners-gone

OTOH I wish he would STFU about ramping up drug testing. Don't you LIKE that Tim Duncan, Kobe and Nash are still playing at elite levels, and that LeBron and Westbrook never miss games? Why the fuck would you want to look any closer at that? I just don't get it. Clearly the testing they are doing now is not affecting the playing field in any way, since lots of different teams are being successful, and players are healthier and playing longer than ever. I mean, Grant Hill! Kurt Thomas! These guys are recovering better from their training, which means they are HEALTHIER and more likely to live long and productive lives after basketball. What is the goddamn problem Henry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 18, 2013, 08:55:46 PM
God i hope Kosma doesn't see this
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 18, 2013, 10:08:40 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/OdZry.jpg%5B)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 18, 2013, 10:11:34 PM
Crazy bulls finish.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 18, 2013, 10:14:28 PM
In the NBA, every finish is Bull. -etiolate
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 18, 2013, 10:16:00 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 18, 2013, 08:54:46 PM
ok, the True Hoop piece on scoring is brilliant and explains a lot about why scorers with elite passing skills (like LeBron, Westbrook - who you may not think is a skilled passer but look at the numbers before you say something stupid...) or the ability to shoot over any defense (Durant, Melo, Kobe, Dirk) are the only ones still putting up big scoring numbers.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/53534/where-have-all-the-gunners-gone

OTOH I wish he would STFU about ramping up drug testing. Don't you LIKE that Tim Duncan, Kobe and Nash are still playing at elite levels, and that LeBron and Westbrook never miss games? Why the fuck would you want to look any closer at that? I just don't get it. Clearly the testing they are doing now is not affecting the playing field in any way, since lots of different teams are being successful, and players are healthier and playing longer than ever. I mean, Grant Hill! Kurt Thomas! These guys are recovering better from their training, which means they are HEALTHIER and more likely to live long and productive lives after basketball. What is the goddamn problem Henry

If Lebron wasn't putting up another stupid crazy season again people would be all over Durant because he is also having a hell of a season. Actually I think if the Thunder end up with the best record in the league they will give it to Durant anyway because they are tired of giving it to Lebron even though he deserves it again this year.



Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 18, 2013, 11:08:52 PM
twitter is going crazy over Jeff Van Gundy apparently shitting on his guest host over weak foul calling. Anyone watching ESPN right now lol, is it as bad as folks are saying?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 18, 2013, 11:53:30 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 18, 2013, 11:08:52 PM
twitter is going crazy over Jeff Van Gundy apparently shitting on his guest host over weak foul calling. Anyone watching ESPN right now lol, is it as bad as folks are saying?

It's Jeff Van Gundy being his usual self. No big deal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 19, 2013, 12:04:00 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPXcq6jQpBo
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 19, 2013, 12:34:45 AM
Fucking Durant.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 19, 2013, 12:37:26 AM
Crazy ass Dallas thunder game too
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 19, 2013, 12:39:37 AM
Durant. 52 points.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 19, 2013, 12:39:47 AM
jesus
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 19, 2013, 12:41:54 AM
Mike James.  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 19, 2013, 12:42:06 AM
 ::)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 19, 2013, 07:06:40 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 18, 2013, 10:16:00 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 18, 2013, 08:54:46 PM
ok, the True Hoop piece on scoring is brilliant and explains a lot about why scorers with elite passing skills (like LeBron, Westbrook - who you may not think is a skilled passer but look at the numbers before you say something stupid...) or the ability to shoot over any defense (Durant, Melo, Kobe, Dirk) are the only ones still putting up big scoring numbers.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/53534/where-have-all-the-gunners-gone

OTOH I wish he would STFU about ramping up drug testing. Don't you LIKE that Tim Duncan, Kobe and Nash are still playing at elite levels, and that LeBron and Westbrook never miss games? Why the fuck would you want to look any closer at that? I just don't get it. Clearly the testing they are doing now is not affecting the playing field in any way, since lots of different teams are being successful, and players are healthier and playing longer than ever. I mean, Grant Hill! Kurt Thomas! These guys are recovering better from their training, which means they are HEALTHIER and more likely to live long and productive lives after basketball. What is the goddamn problem Henry

If Lebron wasn't putting up another stupid crazy season again people would be all over Durant because he is also having a hell of a season. Actually I think if the Thunder end up with the best record in the league they will give it to Durant anyway because they are tired of giving it to Lebron even though he deserves it again this year.





I'm not certain what point of mine you are addressing here Stoney :lol   Did you just see 'Durant' and start typing?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 19, 2013, 07:19:52 AM
Durant - 52pts, 1 ast....I have to admit, if that was a Kobe line i'd be hatin'
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 19, 2013, 11:15:48 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 19, 2013, 07:06:40 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 18, 2013, 10:16:00 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 18, 2013, 08:54:46 PM
ok, the True Hoop piece on scoring is brilliant and explains a lot about why scorers with elite passing skills (like LeBron, Westbrook - who you may not think is a skilled passer but look at the numbers before you say something stupid...) or the ability to shoot over any defense (Durant, Melo, Kobe, Dirk) are the only ones still putting up big scoring numbers.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/53534/where-have-all-the-gunners-gone

OTOH I wish he would STFU about ramping up drug testing. Don't you LIKE that Tim Duncan, Kobe and Nash are still playing at elite levels, and that LeBron and Westbrook never miss games? Why the fuck would you want to look any closer at that? I just don't get it. Clearly the testing they are doing now is not affecting the playing field in any way, since lots of different teams are being successful, and players are healthier and playing longer than ever. I mean, Grant Hill! Kurt Thomas! These guys are recovering better from their training, which means they are HEALTHIER and more likely to live long and productive lives after basketball. What is the goddamn problem Henry

If Lebron wasn't putting up another stupid crazy season again people would be all over Durant because he is also having a hell of a season. Actually I think if the Thunder end up with the best record in the league they will give it to Durant anyway because they are tired of giving it to Lebron even though he deserves it again this year.





I'm not certain what point of mine you are addressing here Stoney :lol   Did you just see 'Durant' and start typing?

Pretty much.  :P

I didn't read the article until later.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 20, 2013, 03:06:27 PM
Lakers getting crushed by Toronto.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 20, 2013, 03:28:11 PM
Lakers made a little late run but still lose. Probably will lose their next two which are on the road at Chicago and Memphis. Dallas has essentially caught the Lakers now and they aren't that far ahead of Sacramento.

If you want to say anything positive about the Lakers Season and its hard to do that, it would be that they seem to have discovered something in Earl Clark who wasn't playing at all but now seems to be a player.

He's been pretty good over the last couple of weeks. Today he scored 14 points and pulled down 14 rebounds. This was in the absence of Dwight Howard who was ejected early in the game with techs.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 20, 2013, 03:30:50 PM
@Jeff Van Gundy "Has there ever been anyone better than Kobe Bryant at scoring points well after the game is over?  You have to respect the drive and willpower."

Black Mamba - garbage time GOAT :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 20, 2013, 03:35:25 PM
The best at scoring when the game is over?

<Insert Wilt Chamberlain or Shawn Kemp joke in here>

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 20, 2013, 03:44:08 PM
(http://i.minus.com/ibyflagecSGuT1.gif)

Yep. Nene was called for a foul  ::)

They also got a technical because the coach protested the call.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 20, 2013, 05:09:23 PM
(http://i45.tinypic.com/nxf9e.jpg)

I mentioned something about this earlier in the thread.  :P
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 20, 2013, 05:40:08 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 20, 2013, 03:44:08 PM
(http://i.minus.com/ibyflagecSGuT1.gif)

Yep. Nene was called for a foul  ::)

They also got a technical because the coach protested the call.

the 'child please' look on Nene's face is hilarious
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on January 20, 2013, 05:56:09 PM
(http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/David-Lee-Yells-at-Blake-Griffin-to-Stop-Flopping.gif)

as good a time as any to post this

also LOLkers
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 20, 2013, 08:01:42 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/8862210/miami-heat-sign-veteran-chris-andersen-10-day-contract

Why,  Riles?

This only make sense if a tattoo contest is being setup between Birdman and Lebron
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 20, 2013, 09:38:52 PM
the Nuggets sideline reporter just gave an update on Westbrook's ankle just before the 3Q started, saying he was probable to re-enter the game

Westbrook was standing behind her, flexing and waiting to get the ball from the ref :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 20, 2013, 10:51:32 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/21590095/video-russell-westbrook-denies-nuggets-mascot-halfcourt-shot

:lol

Classic Westbrook game this - poor shooting but just utterly relentless and insanely productive anyway, despite a pretty bad ankle sprain.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 20, 2013, 10:53:56 PM
80fts combined?  That's pretty hard to endure live
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 20, 2013, 10:55:09 PM
it's testy but fast-paced, high-scoring. in OT now
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on January 20, 2013, 10:56:22 PM
Free throws break up the flow more if you're watching on TV, at least IME.  If you're in the arena free throws might not be as fun as the other parts of the game, but at least a local DJ isn't telling you to MAKE SOME NOOOOOOOIIIIIISE if you want a burrito shot at you from a cannon.

Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 20, 2013, 05:09:23 PM
http://i45.tinypic.com/nxf9e.jpg

I mentioned something about this earlier in the thread.  :P

Similarly, the Clippers are undefeated when Chris Paul is on the floor for less than 32 minutes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 20, 2013, 11:01:17 PM
because they are up 20 by then...he's barely played in the 4th all year. But you know that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 20, 2013, 11:04:55 PM
I think he's implying Kobe takes a lot of shots if they're behind.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on January 20, 2013, 11:17:51 PM
And that a lot of those <20FGA wins are games where Kobe played fewer minutes cause the team was ahead.  I mean, no question Kobe's hero ball can be detrimental at points, but eventually I get tired of seeing the basketball equivalent of the "NFL team X wins more games when it runs rather than passes!"

Anyways, have barely watched the Lakers but I feel like Dwight not being 100% has to be a bigger factor than most people are allowing for.  We know that Peak Dwight can make a top-5 defense out of practically any unit, yet the Lakers are below the league average.  Obviously if they were better in other areas they could cover for this, but isn't that where the biggest delta between expectations and performance is right now?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on January 20, 2013, 11:26:28 PM
:'( etiolate :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 20, 2013, 11:28:32 PM
Quote from: pilonv1 on January 20, 2013, 11:26:28 PM
:'( etiolate :'(

Quote
11:26 PM ET

The Maloof family that owns the Sacramento Kings has reached a purchase agreement to sell a 65-percent controlling interest in the franchise to a Seattle group led by Chris Hansen for $525 million, according to league sources.

So this night hasn't all been harbaughle
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on January 20, 2013, 11:29:12 PM
Warriors were sold for $450mill two years ago. Kings being valued at $800million is ridiculous
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 20, 2013, 11:32:00 PM
Well, they're certainly not worth that much in Sacramento :lenowned
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 21, 2013, 12:16:14 AM
Quote from: pilonv1 on January 20, 2013, 11:29:12 PM
Warriors were sold for $450mill two years ago. Kings being valued at $800million is ridiculous

the ESPN article I saw indicates that the franchise is being valued at 525 million, not just the Maloofs' stake and including 'relocation fees'...either way, yeah, crazy high but the Maloofs did make it clear that they would facilitate a move which has to add quite a bit in this case?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on January 21, 2013, 12:32:00 AM
The Warriors sale price was a record for an NBA franchise, no?

Probably the market value of an NBA franchise is rising since expansion seems to be off the table and the league is on an upswing in terms of revenue and prestige.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on January 21, 2013, 04:28:02 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 21, 2013, 12:16:14 AM
Quote from: pilonv1 on January 20, 2013, 11:29:12 PM
Warriors were sold for $450mill two years ago. Kings being valued at $800million is ridiculous

the ESPN article I saw indicates that the franchise is being valued at 525 million, not just the Maloofs' stake and including 'relocation fees'...either way, yeah, crazy high but the Maloofs did make it clear that they would facilitate a move which has to add quite a bit in this case?
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 21, 2013, 12:16:14 AM
Quote from: pilonv1 on January 20, 2013, 11:29:12 PM
Warriors were sold for $450mill two years ago. Kings being valued at $800million is ridiculous

the ESPN article I saw indicates that the franchise is being valued at 525 million, not just the Maloofs' stake and including 'relocation fees'...either way, yeah, crazy high but the Maloofs did make it clear that they would facilitate a move which has to add quite a bit in this case?

Yep, early reporting was a bit off. Was 65% of $525million, not the $525million being the 65% which makes more sense.

Still the Sonics owner sold it for $325million 6 years ago.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 21, 2013, 04:37:33 AM
Anyone buying the team will have to overpay because of all of the Maloof's debt. NBA should have stepped in when the Maloofs backed out of an arena deal and forced a sale. The Maloofs said they were not selling over and over again,  that they could afford to run the team and that they would look into renovating their current arena instead. The city and KJ, and others said they were interested in buying the team and keeping it in Sacramento if the Maloofs could no longer run the franchise. But the Maloofs privately arranged a deal with Seattle and attempted to do so with Virginia Beach while tip-toe-ing around it publically and denying they were selling. So their last ultimate dick move was sellng the team to another city and not letting local ownership have a chance to buy the team.

It seems Stern may allow Kevin Johnson and his group to put forth an ownership group and bid, but it's being done with limited time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on January 21, 2013, 06:32:26 AM
Won't get anywhere. Stern will want to leave with a team back in Seattle.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on January 21, 2013, 01:13:15 PM
Completely conflicted about this.  On one hand, I'm totally pumped that the Sonics are coming back but taking a team from another city that actually cared about them....... I don't know.  Too bad it we couldn't have gotten the Hornets.  No one gives a fuck about them, not even New Orleans.


Well, I guess it's time to build that orange volcano in SODO and tell Howard Lincoln and the Mariners to go fuck themselves.

(http://sinbapointforward.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/seattle-arena-south.jpg?w=610&h=395)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on January 21, 2013, 01:15:25 PM
Quote from: Mandark on January 21, 2013, 12:32:00 AM
The Warriors sale price was a record for an NBA franchise, no?

Probably the market value of an NBA franchise is rising since expansion seems to be off the table and the league is on an upswing in terms of revenue and prestige.
I think a good part of the seemingly ridiculous price is that the Kings don't come with a lease that needs to be bought out to relocate.  Let me see if I can find the article that said this.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 21, 2013, 05:03:35 PM
Right, the team can immediately apply for relocation. There is a loan on the current arena that the Maloofs still need to pay back. The Maloofs also owe the NBA money. Some have estimated the total debt is around 221 million. All that adds up to an increased price.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 21, 2013, 06:34:35 PM
I want the Kings to be called the Seattle Grunge.  Shit would be awesome.

But it'll be the Sonics I suppose.  That's cool too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 21, 2013, 06:58:14 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8865449/cleveland-cavaliers-anderson-varejao-rest-season-blood-clot (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8865449/cleveland-cavaliers-anderson-varejao-rest-season-blood-clot)

 :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on January 21, 2013, 08:15:33 PM
Heard about that earlier. Terrible.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 21, 2013, 10:02:51 PM
I didn't realize the Lakers are playing the Bulls right now on TNT.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 21, 2013, 10:48:04 PM
Belinelli is terrible, he singlehandedly brought back the Lakers

How was he drafted in the 1st first round? 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 21, 2013, 10:51:38 PM
sure sounds like Pau is halfway out the door, although nobody really seems to want him or be prepared to give more than 50 cents on the dollar for him
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on January 21, 2013, 11:36:33 PM
Sounds like Amare.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 21, 2013, 11:43:02 PM
Pau for Amare

win-win
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 21, 2013, 11:44:54 PM
amare back with nash and dan tony

honestly that doesn't sound terrible
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on January 21, 2013, 11:55:15 PM
Anyone who can stay on their man would be an improvement for the Knicks. If Amare honestly does become an average defender by the end of the season, then Woodson is a wizard.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 21, 2013, 11:58:17 PM
Man the bulls fucking give effort every night.

 :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 21, 2013, 11:58:33 PM
Come on, Lakers, at least make it 5 or 6 so you'll have a nice moral win streak
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 22, 2013, 12:06:24 AM
Nash is a negative on this team if he doesn't take at least 20 shots

He made Hinrich look like a future HOFer
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 22, 2013, 12:08:44 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on January 22, 2013, 12:06:24 AM
Nash is a negative on this team if he doesn't take at least 20 shots

He made Hinrich look like a future HOFer

His defense is indeed awful at this point but like most people I think everybody thought Dwight would just be able to bail everybody out by holding down the lane.

This loss is also on Kobe though with that 7 of 22.

I'm just gonna go ahead and pencil in a loss for them next with the Grizzlies which would make them 3-10 in their last 13 games. They are not getting better.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 22, 2013, 12:11:37 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 22, 2013, 12:08:44 AM

His defense is indeed awful at this point but like most people I think everybody thought Dwight would just be able to bail everybody out by holding down the lane.


yes, that's why I said "on this team"

With nobody covering Nash's back, he's gonna have to do much more on offense to overcome his terrible D
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 22, 2013, 02:53:54 AM
Aaron Bruski ‏@aaronbruski
It's been misreported that SAC is just now responding. Plans have been in the works for months, needed Maloofs to go public



Well I guess they may be more prepared than I thought. I still don't see the logical reason for the Maloofs to hide they were negotiating a sale of the team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 22, 2013, 10:33:31 AM
PJ Carlesimo is the new Phil Jackson. :bow


Speaking of coaches, I wish there were an alternative universe where I could see how the Mike Brown-led LA Lakers are doing. I would bet they play better defense, utilize Pau Gasol and actually make entry passes into the paint. Not sure if that means more wins, but it would be interesting to see.


Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 22, 2013, 02:50:12 PM
Quote
“Obviously, this isn’t working,” Bryant told Yahoo! Sports.

“We need to go back to basics,” Bryant said. “We need to put guys in positions to do what they do best. We need to strip it down. Steve Nash is best in pick-and-roll. Pau is best in the post. I’m best from the free-throw line extended down. Let’s go back to basics.

“We’ve got to evaluate what’s going on. Management is looking at it. The players are looking at it. I’m looking at myself. I’m shooting a low percentage right now, and I’ve got to look at that.”
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 22, 2013, 03:36:10 PM
so basically kobe fuckball for the rest of the season
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on January 22, 2013, 06:48:44 PM
http://www.nba.com/lakers/news/130122kobe81_livetweets

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 22, 2013, 06:50:16 PM
If Howard had a jump shot, they could just move him to PF and play Pau at C. Even without it, he can just roll on every Nash pick and roll and most teams still wouldn't have a prayer of stopping it.

Anyway, that Grizz-Cavs trade has Hollinger written all over it. The Grizz saved a bunch of money without giving up any real pieces, taking IMMEDIATE advantage of the Varejao news and the subsequent permission granted by Cavs fans to ownership to tank the rest of the season away. Nice job. I MISS MY PER DIEM SO BAD THOUGH, Kevin Pelton is insightful but nowhere near the writer Hollinger was...
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 22, 2013, 07:31:18 PM
Thunder-Clippers tonight! Should be a thriller.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 22, 2013, 10:14:57 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 22, 2013, 07:31:18 PM
Thunder-Clippers tonight! Should be a thriller.

That's the match up I'm hoping for in the Western Conference finals.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 22, 2013, 10:19:23 PM
not really a stretch...

The Celtics are quietly almost as bad as the Lakers, despite having a lot more depth on paper and less injury woes. I am finding it a real struggle to keep watching. I'm sure they will turn it up a bit in the playoffs but they are not exactly even a lock. Irving was amazing again tonight, just completely shredded them. It is revolting that D-Will is starting ahead of him in the ASG....
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 22, 2013, 10:23:03 PM
God the East is pretty terrible other than the Heat and the Knicks
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 22, 2013, 10:25:43 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 22, 2013, 07:31:18 PM
Thunder-Clippers tonight! Should be a thriller.

I know its not a nationally televised game but I wish teams on the west coast would sometimes schedule their games earlier. When I was a kid I never ever watched those games obviously because it was so late and going to work creates the sames issues as an adult.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 22, 2013, 10:26:29 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 22, 2013, 10:23:03 PM
God the East is pretty terrible other than the Heat and the Knicks

I don't know that I would separate out the knicks as much. Hell the nets have almost caught them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 22, 2013, 10:27:48 PM
Seriously, all you hoop heads need to move to Japan - it is the perfect timezone to enjoy every minute of every game. I have League Pass on the 360, comfy couch...it is the bomb. All i have to do is stay off twitter and I can happily watch all day long :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 22, 2013, 10:35:46 PM
awww no CP3 tonight so you have to give the edge to the Thunder here, even in LA

OTOH, Westbrook vs Bledsoe :drool
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on January 22, 2013, 11:07:43 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 22, 2013, 10:26:29 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 22, 2013, 10:23:03 PM
God the East is pretty terrible other than the Heat and the Knicks

I don't know that I would separate out the knicks as much. Hell the nets have almost caught them.

They've had their problems since Felton got injured. He should be back soon.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 23, 2013, 02:39:26 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 22, 2013, 02:50:12 PM
Quote
“Obviously, this isn’t working,” Bryant told Yahoo! Sports.

“We need to go back to basics,” Bryant said. “We need to put guys in positions to do what they do best. We need to strip it down. Steve Nash is best in pick-and-roll. Pau is best in the post. I’m best from the free-throw line extended down. Let’s go back to basics.

“We’ve got to evaluate what’s going on. Management is looking at it. The players are looking at it. I’m looking at myself. I’m shooting a low percentage right now, and I’ve got to look at that.”

This didn't last long, LOL,

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/8863675/kobe-bryant-wants-blame-los-angeles-lakers-woes-not-simple

This is why I think McMenamin is a joke
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 23, 2013, 02:47:11 AM
LA fans are clamoring again for Phil to return.  While it would be hilarious to see the Lakers continue to fail even with PJ back, I don't think he's ever coaching the Lakers again, unless they can miraculously obtain Lebron or KD.  PJ is just not the type to take a risk like this.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 23, 2013, 02:50:05 AM
I think Phil being afraid of the risk of coaching a team with Kobe, Dwight, Pau and Nash says all that needs to be said about Phil's actual coaching skill.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 23, 2013, 02:58:05 AM
eh, what? Phil interviewed for the job and basically said yes, but with a bunch of rockstar conditions
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on January 23, 2013, 03:43:29 AM
Phil isn't stupid enough to come back now. There was a time and place and it was early November.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on January 23, 2013, 12:19:54 PM
Cormac: Although his camp denied he made those demands.  I don't think that was ever settled one way or the other.

Besides the issue of whether Jim Buss would swallow his pride to that degree, they already spent $11 million to buy out Mike Brown and they'd have to shell out another $12 million to get rid of D'Antoni.  Assuming Jackson wants at least as much as last time he coached ($12 million/year), they're suddenly paying close to fifty million damn dollars just at the head coaching position the next couple seasons.  I don't see that happening.

Also, lolz for Jackson revisionism.  Yeah, what an awful coach that dude is.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 23, 2013, 12:43:16 PM
I turned off that Celts-Cavs game shortly after half. Ugly basketball. At least I got to see the one lone highlight of Gee destroying the rim.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aErZwDWG-6s

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on January 23, 2013, 12:52:26 PM
Quote from: Mandark on January 23, 2013, 12:19:54 PM

Also, lolz for Jackson revisionism.  Yeah, what an awful coach that dude is.
Tom Brady is a mediocre quarterback and Phil Jackson is a crappy coach. Sports according to Etiolate.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 23, 2013, 04:56:08 PM
(http://i.minus.com/iiwkaGxMDPV38.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 23, 2013, 06:18:59 PM
:lol

Blake had a hell of a game but Bledsoe and Crawford sucked by their usual standards. Blake's post game and passing are so much better. A lot of folks are seeing the relatively low scoring and assuming he has regressed or stagnated but that is not the case
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 23, 2013, 06:38:52 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8868438/nba-lebron-james-first-half-mvp (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8868438/nba-lebron-james-first-half-mvp)

I wasn't aware of how incredible Durant's shot percentage has been.  Lawd.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 23, 2013, 08:48:02 PM
Durant had a true shooting percentage of OVER 100% in the second half last night :lol

not even sure how that is possible, i think he broke it
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 23, 2013, 09:30:00 PM
Dwight Howard out for the second half of the grizzlies game with shoulder injury.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 23, 2013, 09:33:18 PM
Mark Cuban rubbing hands
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 23, 2013, 09:44:53 PM
Quote
In order to move forward and turn around their disappointing season, the Los Angeles Lakers attempted to let go of their past frustrations with a team meeting Wednesday.

Prior to the team's shootaround in preparation for the Lakers' game against the Memphis Grizzlies, Lakers coach Mike D'Antoni invited members of the team to air their grievances, according to a team source.

Several players spoke up, including Steve Nash and Kobe Bryant, the 17-year veterans who make up the Lakers' backcourt. Bryant asked Dwight Howard if he was bothered by playing alongside him, according to the L.A. Times, which first reported the meeting.

"I hope it is (a positive thing)," D'Antoni told reporters before the game. "That's the purpose of just trying to move forward, and hopefully it is. We'll see. We're in a rut right now, so the time to stand up, draw a line in the sand would be now."

Bryant acknowledged he could be "hard to play with," according to the Times, and challenged Howard to speak up if he had a problem with it.

Howard was "despondent" and did not offer much of a reply to Bryant, according to a team source.

While a coaching change and injuries up and down the roster have contributed to the Lakers' 17-24 record at the season's halfway point, another major factor in the Lakers' difficulties has been the lack of rhythm between Howard and Bryant.

Following the Lakers' 95-83 loss to the Chicago Bulls on Monday, Howard complained to reporters about getting only five shots, while Bryant, meanwhile, shot 7-for-22.

Howard apologized for his comments in Chicago following Wednesday's shootaround, calling them "immature."

One example of the rocky relationship between the two Western Conference All-Star starters, according to a league source, was a game this season when Howard harped to a teammate about the disparity between his and Bryant's shots while sitting on the bench. The teammate called Bryant over so Howard could tell it to Bryant's face, but Howard refused to speak up.

"Obviously our problems were the chemistry was not clicking," D'Antoni said. "You try, 'OK, I'll push that guy, I'll pull that guy,' and you hope things overcome that and it didn't. It didn't. Now you get down to brass tactics and open your heart up and let everything be raw and see if we can solve some of the problems or the issues and just go forward."

Lakers forward Antawn Jamison, a 15-year veteran who said he has "seen it all" in his time in the league, said this could be a make or break point for L.A.

"Now we're at the wall and we're going to find a way to help each other over that wall, or we're going to let the wall push us back even farther," Jamison said.

D'Antoni said it's an issue of the entire team coming together.

"We've got an All-Star team out there," D'Antoni said. "Have you ever watched an All-Star Game? It's God-awful because everybody gets the ball, they go 1-on-1 and then they play no defense. That's our team. That's us. We're an All-Star team and we haven't learned there's a pecking order. There's the one guy, the two guy, the three guy and the four guy. It might not be the same guy every night, but somebody has got to accept being the fourth guy. If you've been the first guy all your life, that's hard to accept. That's what happens in All-Star (Games) and that's what happened with us. Like I said, with today's meeting, hopefully we've overcome a little bit of that. I hope. We'll see."

Added Jamison: "Let's just have fun, man, and enjoy this journey and just pull for each other and realize that this is a special team. The first half of this season has been an embarrassment. We've been the laughingstock of the NBA. So, let's turn that embarrassment into one of the best stories in sports history and turn things around."

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/8875019/los-angeles-lakers-hold-team-meeting-air-grievances
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 23, 2013, 09:48:18 PM
(http://cjzero.com/gifs/RubioBounceDWill.gif)

just for that Ricky - you CAN have an extra slice of cake and watch Power Rangers tonight
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 23, 2013, 09:50:52 PM
"We've got an All-Star team out there," D'Antoni said. "Have you ever watched an All-Star Game? It's God-awful because everybody gets the ball, they go 1-on-1 and then they play no defense. That's our team. That's us. We're an All-Star team and we haven't learned there's a pecking order. There's the one guy, the two guy, the three guy and the four guy. It might not be the same guy every night, but somebody has got to accept being the fourth guy. If you've been the first guy all your life, that's hard to accept. That's what happens in All-Star (Games) and that's what happened with us. Like I said, with today's meeting, hopefully we've overcome a little bit of that. I hope. We'll see."

:rofl at Dantoni complaining about too much talent
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 23, 2013, 09:56:29 PM
Toronto Miami game close and going down to the wire.

edit: Going to OT.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 23, 2013, 10:10:41 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on January 23, 2013, 09:50:52 PM
"We've got an All-Star team out there," D'Antoni said. "Have you ever watched an All-Star Game? It's God-awful because everybody gets the ball, they go 1-on-1 and then they play no defense. That's our team. That's us. We're an All-Star team and we haven't learned there's a pecking order. There's the one guy, the two guy, the three guy and the four guy. It might not be the same guy every night, but somebody has got to accept being the fourth guy. If you've been the first guy all your life, that's hard to accept. That's what happens in All-Star (Games) and that's what happened with us. Like I said, with today's meeting, hopefully we've overcome a little bit of that. I hope. We'll see."

:rofl at Dantoni complaining about too much talent

He's probably right though. I mean, obviously this goes beyond just injury woes or Xs and Os, 'cause we've seen a variety of scenarios so far and nothing has worked for long. Dwight is not used to playing with anything other than 3 pt shooters basically. Kobe, Pau and Nash have worked these issues out to varying degrees but Howard has not.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 23, 2013, 10:21:25 PM
There are so many problems with that team its honestly hard to know where to start. I think it's just fundamental issues. The pieces don't fit or they aren't quite as good as advertised.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 24, 2013, 12:43:15 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJoQ2F_867s
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 24, 2013, 12:46:07 AM
Best part was when the Pistons ran the last play but forgot to put any three point shooters on the floor.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 24, 2013, 12:58:50 AM
lebron triple-double woo!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 24, 2013, 01:32:12 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 22, 2013, 06:50:16 PM
I MISS MY PER DIEM SO BAD THOUGH, Kevin Pelton is insightful but nowhere near the writer Hollinger was...
Between him, that other BP guy and Zach Lowe at Grantland, it's close but you're right, it's not the same. Hollinger would also get his takes out so fast after something happened and he was pretty good on twitter.

Speaking of Lowe, from the discussion he and Simmons had on the Lakers (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8872264/lakers):
Quote
Simmons: It's just a shame the Lakers can't get Nikola Vucevic, Arron Afflalo, Al Harrington and Mo Harkless for Dwight.

Also this:
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/0123/grantland_kg_pau2yrcomp01_1152.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 24, 2013, 01:42:37 AM
http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/112148/kobe-bryant-joins-twitter-reinvents-himself-again

kills grantland crap

this is the kind of material that gl strives to be but far less contrived
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 24, 2013, 02:28:37 AM
Thunder - Warriors was great. Durant was in God Mode for most of the game but the rest of the team kept making crazy errors and let GSW back in. Collison would have dunked that last play that Perkins turned over fo sho.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 24, 2013, 03:33:56 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 23, 2013, 09:44:53 PM
Quote
In order to move forward and turn around their disappointing season, the Los Angeles Lakers attempted to let go of their past frustrations with a team meeting Wednesday.

Prior to the team's shootaround in preparation for the Lakers' game against the Memphis Grizzlies, Lakers coach Mike D'Antoni invited members of the team to air their grievances, according to a team source.

Several players spoke up, including Steve Nash and Kobe Bryant, the 17-year veterans who make up the Lakers' backcourt. Bryant asked Dwight Howard if he was bothered by playing alongside him, according to the L.A. Times, which first reported the meeting.

"I hope it is (a positive thing)," D'Antoni told reporters before the game. "That's the purpose of just trying to move forward, and hopefully it is. We'll see. We're in a rut right now, so the time to stand up, draw a line in the sand would be now."

Bryant acknowledged he could be "hard to play with," according to the Times, and challenged Howard to speak up if he had a problem with it.

Howard was "despondent" and did not offer much of a reply to Bryant, according to a team source.

While a coaching change and injuries up and down the roster have contributed to the Lakers' 17-24 record at the season's halfway point, another major factor in the Lakers' difficulties has been the lack of rhythm between Howard and Bryant.

Following the Lakers' 95-83 loss to the Chicago Bulls on Monday, Howard complained to reporters about getting only five shots, while Bryant, meanwhile, shot 7-for-22.

Howard apologized for his comments in Chicago following Wednesday's shootaround, calling them "immature."

One example of the rocky relationship between the two Western Conference All-Star starters, according to a league source, was a game this season when Howard harped to a teammate about the disparity between his and Bryant's shots while sitting on the bench. The teammate called Bryant over so Howard could tell it to Bryant's face, but Howard refused to speak up.

"Obviously our problems were the chemistry was not clicking," D'Antoni said. "You try, 'OK, I'll push that guy, I'll pull that guy,' and you hope things overcome that and it didn't. It didn't. Now you get down to brass tactics and open your heart up and let everything be raw and see if we can solve some of the problems or the issues and just go forward."

Lakers forward Antawn Jamison, a 15-year veteran who said he has "seen it all" in his time in the league, said this could be a make or break point for L.A.

"Now we're at the wall and we're going to find a way to help each other over that wall, or we're going to let the wall push us back even farther," Jamison said.

D'Antoni said it's an issue of the entire team coming together.

"We've got an All-Star team out there," D'Antoni said. "Have you ever watched an All-Star Game? It's God-awful because everybody gets the ball, they go 1-on-1 and then they play no defense. That's our team. That's us. We're an All-Star team and we haven't learned there's a pecking order. There's the one guy, the two guy, the three guy and the four guy. It might not be the same guy every night, but somebody has got to accept being the fourth guy. If you've been the first guy all your life, that's hard to accept. That's what happens in All-Star (Games) and that's what happened with us. Like I said, with today's meeting, hopefully we've overcome a little bit of that. I hope. We'll see."

Added Jamison: "Let's just have fun, man, and enjoy this journey and just pull for each other and realize that this is a special team. The first half of this season has been an embarrassment. We've been the laughingstock of the NBA. So, let's turn that embarrassment into one of the best stories in sports history and turn things around."

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/8875019/los-angeles-lakers-hold-team-meeting-air-grievances

Good lord he is child's play. Lakers better trade him or he's gone ASAP.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on January 24, 2013, 03:44:00 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 24, 2013, 02:28:37 AM
Thunder - Warriors was great. Durant was in God Mode for most of the game but the rest of the team kept making crazy errors and let GSW back in. Collison would have dunked that last play that Perkins turned over fo sho.

Awesome game, I fucking love my team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 24, 2013, 04:43:44 AM
My issue with the Dwight Howard stuff is a lot of it sounds like its coming from Kobe people. You can't really trust anything you hear coming from LA when it comes to anything Kobe related.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on January 24, 2013, 06:11:42 AM
I would agree but Dwight has a few priors in this area
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 24, 2013, 08:14:24 AM
Quote from: pilonv1 on January 24, 2013, 03:44:00 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 24, 2013, 02:28:37 AM
Thunder - Warriors was great. Durant was in God Mode for most of the game but the rest of the team kept making crazy errors and let GSW back in. Collison would have dunked that last play that Perkins turned over fo sho.

Awesome game, I fucking love my team.

D-Lee has been a beast. If Curry had shot normally on threes it could have been a blowout.. Then again you could say much the same for Westbrook. GSW can hang though, no doubt about that. They could be pretty damn scary in the playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 24, 2013, 10:51:07 AM
Quote from: etiolate on January 24, 2013, 04:43:44 AM
My issue with the Dwight Howard stuff is a lot of it sounds like its coming from Kobe people. You can't really trust anything you hear coming from LA when it comes to anything Kobe related.

just look at the many details leaked from that recent meeting

u know a team is in trouble when this stuff doesn't stay behind closed doors
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 24, 2013, 03:42:04 PM
(http://d3fsqtc6sy2z27.cloudfront.net/uploads/7c02f57404bb2b4f600a91619d0a91b6_large)

 :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 24, 2013, 04:12:25 PM
:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on January 24, 2013, 04:20:12 PM
Oh lord.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Eric P on January 24, 2013, 04:56:55 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/6Z43d7s.jpg)

i can't

edit pelICan't
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 24, 2013, 05:04:00 PM
The New Orleans Jesus Ball and Ice Cream Cone
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on January 24, 2013, 05:10:34 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 24, 2013, 05:04:00 PM
The New Orleans Jesus Ball and Ice Cream Cone

:rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: naff on January 24, 2013, 05:54:34 PM
 :lol Pity they didn't change to The Brass
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 24, 2013, 07:09:37 PM
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/media/2.0/teamsites/hornets/012513_landing_tab_logos_info-1.png)
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/media/2.0/teamsites/hornets/012513_landing_tab_name_info.png)
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/media/2.0/teamsites/hornets/012513_landing_tab_colors_info.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 24, 2013, 07:16:52 PM
It also represents the legend of the mother pelican pricking her own breast to feed her young in times of need, doing whatever it takes to endure.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 24, 2013, 07:34:25 PM
New York at Boston. Round 2 Cheerio Gate on TNT.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 24, 2013, 07:46:44 PM
Pelicans are actually pretty bad-ass animals but still :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 24, 2013, 07:48:16 PM
If I were good at photoshop, I'd turn that into a logo for the Republican party.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 24, 2013, 07:54:55 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 24, 2013, 07:34:25 PM
New York at Boston. Round 2 Cheerio Gate on TNT.

what's the over/under for Melo shot attempts - 40?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 24, 2013, 08:34:45 PM
This year isn't even interesting for me anymore....the interesting stuff is what management does. It's beyond a coach to fix it. Dwight or Kobe need to go but you'd get pennies on the dollar for Dwight now and Kobe's contract is untradeable. Pau will likely have to go given his depression but they won't get much for him - I saw a trade floated by Tom Haberstroh on EPSN for Wilson Chandler and somebody else on the Nuggets bench :lol 

And does Nash really want to be rebuilding? Even with D'Antoni. The Lakers can't get younger either because they haven't any young talent or picks, beyond what Pau or Dwight might bring in. Or Nash, I guess - he is likely the most tradable of all of them! It's not like they'll get Anthony Davis or anybody that will get them back in serious contention. If Howard hadn't signed that 1 yr extension it would all be different - he'd have inked an extension with the Lakers already and everyone would be resigned to him staying and therefore more inclined to compromise.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 24, 2013, 09:03:45 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on January 24, 2013, 08:14:33 PM
The Lakers are done. There won't be any turn-around. If they win more than 35 games this year, I will slam my penis repeatedly in a door until it turns purple and falls off. Best bet I've ever made.
It's a bet that lacks upside.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 24, 2013, 09:05:23 PM
Pierce snubbed for the ASG, seems salty about it

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 24, 2013, 09:15:40 PM
(http://i45.tinypic.com/9blqbd.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 24, 2013, 09:16:50 PM
Sorry, Lakers fans.  Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Shaq ain't walking through that  door
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 24, 2013, 09:20:18 PM
A little surprised Randolph and Noah made it.



 

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 24, 2013, 09:22:57 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 24, 2013, 09:05:23 PM
Pierce snubbed for the ASG, seems salty about it

Kinda hard to reward a 20-21 with three picks. I mean he is as qualified if more so than George but I like the new blood pick.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 24, 2013, 09:27:32 PM
Thing is George hasn't even done it for a whole season. I mean, it looks like he has arrived but Pierce is still carrying his team in scoring. Agreed that 3 Celtics would be ridiculous. I don't think Rondo or KG should be starting either. Irving and Lopez should have been starting and reserves respectively with Rondo a reserve and KG not there at all over Noah, Chandler and Lopez...(KG wouldn't have given a shit at this point i think).
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 24, 2013, 09:54:00 PM
Damn, 8th for Bosh, 2 more than Melo

I hear a lot that Bosh is not a future HOFer but it's gonna be hard to keep him out if he hits 10
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 24, 2013, 09:56:12 PM
if he sticks with LeBron and gets 3 or 4 more rings, he's a shoo-in

The HoF is a joke of course though...the NBA really needs their own with stricter criteria. I mean it's great that you were the first woman coach of a high school team but come on, you're not famous, you're not a player, no-one cares
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 24, 2013, 10:38:15 PM


The Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame is basically like the vagina of Mandark's mother.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 24, 2013, 10:47:21 PM
Can't watch the Clips-Suns game. A full game of Reggie Miller and Charles Barkley spouting every platitude and generalization under the sun would have my ears bleeding. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 24, 2013, 10:52:04 PM
saw a great twitter comment on Reggie recently - his commentary makes me doubt his rep as a trash talker

So true. He has no game whatsoever judging by his TV appearances
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 24, 2013, 10:54:44 PM
Reggie is one my favorite players of all time and seems like a genuinely nice and smart person as a human being. But when he commentates it's just,  :poop

Charles I can only take in doses which is why he works in the studio but not during games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 24, 2013, 11:07:59 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on January 24, 2013, 10:38:15 PM


The Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame is basically like the vagina of Mandark's mother.

so black people are really easy to get into into it is what you're saying
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 24, 2013, 11:19:59 PM
Are you Arvie.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on January 24, 2013, 11:23:13 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 24, 2013, 10:52:04 PM
saw a great twitter comment on Reggie recently - his commentary makes me doubt his rep as a trash talker

So true. He has no game whatsoever judging by his TV appearances

Yeah I don't buy he was a  good talker, but I bet he was annoying as hell to play against.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 24, 2013, 11:26:32 PM
i highly doubt he ever busted out ARE YOU KIDDING ME after someone blew past him for a dunk
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on January 24, 2013, 11:30:40 PM
Bosh over Brook Lopez for the all star game :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 25, 2013, 01:02:05 AM
yeah, Reggie has been terrible pretty much from the start

I always wonder how he doesn't get fired or relegated to smaller markets to hone his craft.  Most people must be watching with sound off or at loud sports bars.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 25, 2013, 01:17:21 AM
big name, I guess.

I normally get the local announcers on League Pass though, so at least Reggie has some personality. My dream team is probably Mike Breen or Marv with Hubie and Chris Webber. Hubie is on my 'Would kill to have dinner with' list. I'd just be like Waiter, your finest wines! Hubie, talk to me about ball
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 25, 2013, 02:09:56 AM
I've watched the Warriors play several times and their record still amazes me.  Steph Curry and Klay Thompson could barely guard bar stools and there's no shotblocker behind them.  Their PT differential is also an unimpressive +1.4.  I think Warriors will come back down to earth in the 2nd half, much like the Knicks did after their hot start. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 25, 2013, 10:14:51 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 25, 2013, 01:17:21 AM
big name, I guess.

I normally get the local announcers on League Pass though, so at least Reggie has some personality. My dream team is probably Mike Breen or Marv with Hubie and Chris Webber. Hubie is on my 'Would kill to have dinner with' list. I'd just be like Waiter, your finest wines! Hubie, talk to me about ball

Marv with Hubie Brown would rock my World.

Along with the old TNT studio show before they kind of let all the success get to their heads.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1ZMviEik3U
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 25, 2013, 11:27:35 AM
Damn. Seems like I should have watched.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY761LL7clk
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on January 25, 2013, 06:17:34 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on January 25, 2013, 02:09:56 AM
I've watched the Warriors play several times and their record still amazes me.  Steph Curry and Klay Thompson could barely guard bar stools and there's no shotblocker behind them. 

You should have seen their defense last year then.

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Their PT differential is also an unimpressive +1.4.  I think Warriors will come back down to earth in the 2nd half, much like the Knicks did after their hot start. 

You mean when Bogut comes back? :smug
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 26, 2013, 12:38:30 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqd3jUPq3Lw

Lebron  :heart
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on January 26, 2013, 01:11:15 AM
Such blatant contact yet no foul call.  Disgusting.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 26, 2013, 01:16:41 AM
I think he's inherently self-centered, or used to be, but I think most great athletes are.  I've never doubted his true love for the game and the fans of said game though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 26, 2013, 01:22:42 AM
Lakers are back, baby!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 26, 2013, 02:47:57 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 26, 2013, 01:16:41 AM
I think he's inherently self-centered, or used to be, but I think most great athletes are.  I've never doubted his true love for the game and the fans of said game though.

most PEOPLE are inherently self-centered, why wouldn't athletes be
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 27, 2013, 12:06:05 PM
Heat at Boston. Thunder at Lakers this afternoon on espn.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 27, 2013, 12:24:13 PM
Leave it to the Cavs to make a trade that will improve them just enough to potentially miss the lottery.

I guess the draft is supposed to be pretty shit, so it won't matter.



Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 27, 2013, 02:37:45 PM
Rondo out torn acl.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 27, 2013, 02:44:37 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 27, 2013, 02:37:45 PM
Rondo out torn acl.

WAT

edit: espn just says a bum knee
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 27, 2013, 02:48:13 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 27, 2013, 02:44:37 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 27, 2013, 02:37:45 PM
Rondo out torn acl.

WAT

edit: espn just says a bum knee

They announced it during the broadcast just now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 27, 2013, 02:51:31 PM
damn
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 27, 2013, 03:06:41 PM
jeff green holy shit
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 27, 2013, 05:50:59 PM
lol westbrook
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 27, 2013, 06:37:36 PM
well, there go any Rondo trade scenarios :gloomy

They were really not in contention this year, but it's official now. He won't be back til this time next year at least either :gloomy

Guess i'm in need of a new rooting interest
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 27, 2013, 08:20:37 PM
Clippers are the team I like to bandwagon for in the west
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 27, 2013, 10:28:19 PM
I'm a big Rondo fan so the news rather sucks for me.  All my fun to watch PGs are hurt. Rondo is straight out. Rubio isn't 100% and can't get regular minutes. Paul isn't "hurt" hurt, but he does miss games at a time and has never been fully healthy for years. Nash missed most of the early season and obviously can't play a full season anymore. Kidd is in early retirement.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 27, 2013, 10:50:30 PM
The Lakers play better when Kobe dishes the ball and not just looks for his own offense and they become completely one dimensional. What a shock.

 :duh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 28, 2013, 12:02:54 AM
both games today were a ton of fun to watch.  too bad both teams that will be in the finals lost
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 28, 2013, 12:05:21 AM
It's all psychological mumbo jumbo but yeah I do believe players play better all around when they are involved in the game. It's just kind of human nature. And it can't be good for an offense when 4 of the 5 guys know they aren't relevant for a good portion of the offense.

That being said it was 2 home games and the thunder were closing out a long road trip. But in general I  think Kobe shooting a bit less helps diversify that offense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 28, 2013, 12:19:29 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0o4crq6DNc

I find Dwight Howard as annoying as anybody but I'm not sure how fair it is to have an announcer pretty much out for you. (Not that everything Van Gundy is saying is wrong. I agree with him about Howard's offense) Every Lakers game, he goes after Howard with a vengeance. I don't remember him doing this when Howard was with the Magic.

Also


(http://i.imgur.com/ySYtAya.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 28, 2013, 12:34:24 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 28, 2013, 12:19:29 AM
I find Dwight Howard as annoying as anybody but I'm not sure how fair it is to have an announcer pretty much out for you. (Not that everything Van Gundy is saying is wrong. I agree with him about Howard's offense) Every Lakers game, he goes after Howard with a vengeance. I don't remember him doing this when Howard was with the Magic.

gotta stick up for his bro, bro
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 28, 2013, 12:35:09 AM
 :'(

very sad for him.  Rondo is one of my favorite players and this is just such a terrible event for the celtics.  Hell, for Rondo.  Dude needs to connect with Rose and AP and recover like whoa.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 28, 2013, 12:41:22 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 28, 2013, 12:35:09 AM
:'(

very sad for him.  Rondo is one of my favorite players and this is just such a terrible event for the celtics.  Hell, for Rondo.  Dude needs to connect with Rose and AP and recover like whoa.

Rose and Rondo dislike each other greatly. Although maybe they can bond over the injury or something. Wade and Rondo are notorious for their dislike also but Wade seemed upset about his injury.

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By the early moments of the third quarter, various media outlets were reporting the Celtics feared he had suffered a torn ACL.

That's when I went looking for some answers.

As I walked into the back hallway where the Celtics' locker room is located, I found Rondo himself, who was just returning to the Garden from the hospital. He was dressed in shorts and a pair of slides and moving easily, seemingly without pain.

"Hey," I told him, "people are reporting you have a torn ACL."

"Who said that?" Rondo responded. "A torn ACL? I don't even have the results yet. I'm going to see the doc right now."

As he ambled toward the locker room, he asked, "Could I be walking around like this with a torn ACL?"

"Yes," I answered. "Guys have played with torn ACLs before."

"I don't feel that bad," Rondo said. "I don't feel like I have something that serious, but I've never had one before. All I know is my leg felt funny."

He stopped in front of the locker room. I asked him how hard it was to sit out of the Miami game, which included the celebrated return of former teammate Ray Allen.

"Hell, I hate missing it," he said. "I wanted this one really bad."

Rondo disappeared into the locker room at 2:38 p.m. Three minutes later, Celtics public relations director Jeff Twiss emerged with the official diagnosis: a torn ACL, done for the season, surgery imminent.

His teammates played on, oblivious that their long-term fortunes had just suffered a serious blow. The Heat also were unaware of Rondo's plight -- until 2:50 p.m., when Dwyane Wade left the court and entered the visiting locker room, presumably to use the facilities.

"What's going on?" he asked me as he walked by.

"Rondo has a torn ACL," I answered.

"No, please. Don't tell me that," Wade said with a grimace. "Oh, that's awful. Now listen, we have a bad history, but I never wish that on anyone."

Wade passed on the news to his bench. When James Jones also retreated to the locker room in the third quarter, he offered, "Tough break for Boston. Sorry about Rondo."

The grim news of Rondo's injury passed like a wave through the stands of the capacity crowd, which, in spite of Boston's spirited play, remained subdued. Included among those fans were New England Patriots players Patrick Chung and Donte Stallworth, who stood in the hallway commiserating with each other.

http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/8888143/rajon-rondo-injury-sends-shockwaves-boston-celtics
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 28, 2013, 12:51:42 AM
apparently pierce didn't know about it until the postgame interview  :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 28, 2013, 01:24:54 AM
:fbm

I am 41 years old and if Doc Rivers wanted to adopt me I'd renounce my parents on the spot.

would also settle for Bruce Wayne
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 28, 2013, 01:50:05 AM
I'm very sorry cormac.  rondo has had an up and down season but he's still one of the most exciting players in the league.  I sincerely hope he can get better for next season
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: naff on January 28, 2013, 02:12:10 AM
Poor Celts, was rooting for 'em at work this morning.

Lol so many pumped Laker fans, I did really enjoy their last 2 games though. Kobe killing it
(http://i.imgur.com/jBFcfQR.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 28, 2013, 04:50:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAsW_V-xO98
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2013, 04:53:21 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 28, 2013, 12:19:29 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/ySYtAya.jpg)
is there video of that?  :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 29, 2013, 06:39:26 PM
awesome tumblr of Manu passes

http://imgur.com/a/q8E0R
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 29, 2013, 07:34:44 PM
hah that last one

the one against the rapters though, wasn't he out of bounds?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 29, 2013, 07:52:38 PM
yeah, and right in front of the ref too. I think everyone was just so flabbergasted that they let it go. I saw that game and he was just killing it
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on January 29, 2013, 08:06:45 PM
He didn't have possession while he was out of bounds, so I'm pretty sure it's kosher.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 29, 2013, 08:21:34 PM
but isn't there some rule about a player being out of bounds can't come right out and touch the ball first?

or am I confusing bullshit NFL rules with the NBA again
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 29, 2013, 08:34:12 PM
So depressed reading nothing but 'Blow up the Celtics' articles. Ray leaving was one thing but trading away PIERCE? And KG?! :gloomy

Ainge is cold-blooded though, he will pull the trigger even if all the Celtics get in return is some shitty picks. I suppose it is enticing to imagine KG and Pierce on championship contenders...imagine KG on OKC or Pierce on the Clippers (Bledsoe and Billups would get it done maybe...haven't checked but there is surely some combo of Grant Hil, Billups, Barnes, Willie Green and Bledsoe that the Clips would happily give up...)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 29, 2013, 09:22:36 PM
Garnett to the Lakers

let the media have it, twould be delicious
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 29, 2013, 09:25:06 PM
KG has been insufferable since he got a ring
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 29, 2013, 09:26:54 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 29, 2013, 09:25:06 PM
KG has always been insufferable

ftfy
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 29, 2013, 09:27:05 PM
has he been round your house, bothering you
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 30, 2013, 01:29:41 AM
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/34074216.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on January 30, 2013, 04:23:27 AM
Kent Bazemore was awesome today, totally shut down Kyrie
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 30, 2013, 05:36:53 PM
Rudy Gay to the Raptors  :o
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 30, 2013, 06:13:44 PM
my man Hollinger bustin' moves....i'm sure he is dying to write a Per Diem about the awesome cap implications of all this, and to explain why he is sticking the Grizz with Tayshaun Prince and Austin Daye

Lionel Hollins will be pissed though...that could get nasty. He has already taken a few shots at 'advanced stat guys' since Hollinger's advent
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 30, 2013, 06:27:31 PM
is hollinger basically moneyballing the grizzles?  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 30, 2013, 06:36:37 PM
well, Gay's contract was daft, it needed to go if they wanted any kind of flexibility. They overpaid 'cause they needed perimeter scoring in the worst way. The problem is they still don't have that, as far as I can see. More moves coming, I bet
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 30, 2013, 06:37:15 PM
yeah, there's supposed to be a third team involved here soon
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 30, 2013, 06:39:08 PM
Prince is a solid vet who will do well on a good team. But Daye?  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 30, 2013, 06:41:39 PM
Celtics perhaps, Cormac?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 30, 2013, 06:51:26 PM
Ed Davis has been REALLY good for the Raptors since Bargnani actually but he doesn't seem like the Grizzlies' biggest need. Without Calderon and Davis, the Raptors will likely fall apart again with the fools gold tandem of Bargs and Gay jacking up jumpshots and not defending...but their season is done anyway.

Davis certainly fits the grid and grint personality of the Grizz but they need some scoring pretty bad surely? Prince can still score a little but he really needs to hog the ball to do it, from the little Pistons I have forced myself to watch.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 30, 2013, 06:54:27 PM
There was talk of Dallas or Boston aas a third possible team involved...any decent, tradable perimeter guys on those teams?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 30, 2013, 07:02:36 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 30, 2013, 06:39:08 PM
Prince is a solid vet who will do well on a good team. But Daye?  :lol

Is Daye still only 200lbs?  I'm not even sure he'd dominate at the local gym. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 30, 2013, 07:07:51 PM
should call him Austin Daye-light, yeah

He can stretch the floor I guess but so can a million other guys. Seems like half the league shoots 38%-plus on 3s these days
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 30, 2013, 07:21:26 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bk8sf3m
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on January 30, 2013, 08:01:28 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 30, 2013, 06:27:31 PM
is hollinger basically moneyballing the grizzles?  :lol

Not really, Gay has sucked this year and his contract is terrible. Prince fits better and Davis could be good. They still lack a shooter though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 30, 2013, 08:14:03 PM
Fans in Laker town are going nuts after 3 wins and talking about winning the championship again.  It's crazy how fickle fans are. 

I'm doing my share of getting their hopes up.  It will be so sweet when the fool's gold loses its glitter. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 30, 2013, 08:21:49 PM
It's not like Kobe has never had big assist games before. First sign of desperation and he'll crack and start gunning, I bet. In the meantime, the Lakers are actually fun to watch though, wish they'd keep it up. The pecking order is pretty stable right now, could use a little shaking up - between the Lakers' mini-resurgence and the Celtics being taken out and the Grizzlies trade, I might get my wish. That said, the Heat's path to the Finals is easier than ever sans Rondo. Knicks and Pacers are the only East teams they'd have to show up against now...
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 30, 2013, 08:29:23 PM
Pacers match up well with the Heat, as proven by their series last year and the few times they've met this year.  Should be a fun playoff series if they meet again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 30, 2013, 08:30:30 PM
I love Reggie Evans but how he's gonna be the one talking smack on the Nets?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 30, 2013, 08:35:41 PM
BIRDMAN
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 30, 2013, 08:36:59 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 30, 2013, 08:29:23 PM
Pacers match up well with the Heat, as proven by their series last year and the few times they've met this year.  Should be a fun playoff series if they meet again.

Heat didn't have Bosh in the playoffs last year...and the non-LeBron Heat are cruising so hard i don't think the season matchups mean all that much. But yeah, the Heat will have to show up against them for sure. They won't actually be in any danger though
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 30, 2013, 09:16:10 PM
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/rudy-gay-sent-toronto-three-team-deal-doesn-002551538--nba.html
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And Toronto? Again, we have no idea.

Once Aaron Gray and Linas Kleiza pick up their player options for next season, the Raptors will be over the luxury tax featuring a core of Gay, DeMar DeRozan and Andrea Bargnani. Three players that nobody seems to covet outside of the offices of Raptors GM Colangelo. Of course, the team could decline to keep Kyle Lowry’s non-guaranteed contract around, but that would leave the Raps with absolutely no point guards outside of John Lucas III — so named because he’s (and this isn’t a shot) always the best third-string point guard in the NBA.

Think of this deal for Toronto in terms that exclude specifics. The franchise had a competent point guard with a massive expiring contract and a very talented 23-year-old center who is working on a rookie deal paying him less than half of the NBA’s average salary. They turned those assets into Gay, who they’ll pay more than $37 million to over the next two years.

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2. Good deal or bad deal for the Raptors?

Arnovitz: Bad deal, because in 18 months Davis will likely be the best player in the deal. Gay is pretty much the big gulp version of DeMar DeRozan -- a tall, inefficient slasher at his position who doesn't move the ball, doesn't shoot all that proficiently and doesn't stand out at the defensive end.

Crain: Bad deal. The Raptors have picked up salary for next season, lost a very valuable player and a good prospect and landed a player that has yet to live up to his reputation in college or the pros. Gay is a dynamic player but not someone you build a franchise around, even though he is paid like it.

Feldman: Bad deal. The Raptors' four leaders in usage rate -- Rudy Gay, Andrea Bargnani, DeMar DeRozan and Alan Anderson -- each have field-goal percentages below the league average. Everyone knows the best way to build a team is stockpiling low-efficiency and high-priced (Anderson exempted on the latter) scorers. Right?

Levy: It's a wash. Gay has his problems, but he's a huge upgrade over anyone else the Raptors have run out at small forward. It does create a new set of problems on the perimeter, where he and DeRozan give the Raptors one of the worst outside shooting wing tandems in the league. However, it's hard to criticize the Raptors too much for rolling the dice here.

Murphy: OK deal. They sold high on Jose Calderon and Ed Davis and bought low on Gay, the best player in the deal.Gay is overpaid but he is the best wing the Raptors have had since Vince Carter.

Nowell: Bad deal. Hard to see what the plan is in Toronto, where they are now building around an expensive core of athletic wings with limited creation skills. Perhaps, at least, this is the liberation Kyle Lowry and his army of blogger backers have been seeking his entire career.
MLSE  :lol :lol :lol

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 30, 2013, 09:29:40 PM
Selling high on Z-Bo might make sense now for the Grizz with Ed Davis and Darrell Arthur, but personally I'd want a LOT in return. Prince is pretty efficient but they'll need more points on the wing and trading Z-Bo might be the only way left to accomplish that.

The Raptors are just fucked...no-one wants Bargnani. They'll  be the softest team in the league if they start those guys.

Also, my god Birdman looks ridic
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 30, 2013, 11:22:26 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/54045/three-nba-doping-myths

oh god Henry, everything you say here is true but PLEASE shut up, PLEASE. No-one wants basketball to go down this route of persecuting athletes for using pharmaceuticals to train harder and recover faster, nobody but you

Does anyone really want Kobe's (say) career shitbinned because he got caught? Can we not just be happy that he is still playing at an elite level, and is seemingly in great health? Do we care why Russell Westbrook has never missed a game? Why LeBron recovers from injuries that would floor any of us? Or if Nash is just starting a 3yr contract at 40 because he eats Paleo and does yoga, or supplements with EPO or HGH?

Sorry to rant on this again but it kills me to think about the massive shitstorm this could result in
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 30, 2013, 11:34:49 PM
Daye is another failed Dumars project that didn't pan out. Greg Monroe is rather inconsistent and perhaps one of the slowest big men in the league...but I still think he can be pretty good. Love me some Andre Drummond though, dude could be VERY good. The Pistons suck this year but I like how Frank is slowly developing Drummond. I haven't watched Calderon in ages but he can't be worse than Knight, who just isn't a PG. Move him to off guard, let Calderon run the team and keep bringing Stuckey off the bench. Eventually Drummond will replace Maxiel and we'll get to see how that works.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 30, 2013, 11:59:48 PM
Drummond and Monroe offer similar intriguing possibilities to Chandler and Eddy Curry back in the day. They could definitely dominate together, although separately seems more likely. Calderon is the most productive player in the whole deal but IIRC you only have him for the rest of the season on this contract.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 31, 2013, 12:59:51 AM
lulz. Looks like Lakers gonna blow a big 4th quarter lead.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 31, 2013, 01:04:11 AM
Lakers blow a 13 point lead. Get outscored 29 to 13 in 4th quarter.

 :rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 31, 2013, 01:06:25 AM
You know I like a Kobe Bryant that is actually trying to pass the ball more but what is the point of having Steve Nash in your lineup if Kobe is now your defacto point guard. Is this really the best way to run your team. Nash played 33 minutes and had 2 assists.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 31, 2013, 01:26:59 AM
(http://imageshack.us/a/img338/6388/losangeleslakers2012201.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctwqa3QCwMw
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 31, 2013, 01:37:38 AM
i'm catching up on Clips - Wolves and it's pretty damn entertaining.

Also read an Insider piece on perimeter defense that ranked VINCE CARTER #8 from all current players, 172 of which were eligible. Weirdly this passes the eyeball test too. He is still a weak sister with injuries but he's a very solid player, especially for his age
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 31, 2013, 01:47:01 AM
To be fair, Vince had to carry less talented teams early in his career.  This was before the league came down hard on physical plays so opposing teams would hack him pretty hard, especially because they didn't want to end up on sportscenter. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on January 31, 2013, 03:02:27 AM
https://twitter.com/KendrickPerkins/statuses/296757137638567936 (https://twitter.com/KendrickPerkins/statuses/296757137638567936)

hehe
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 31, 2013, 03:13:41 AM
Rudy Gay is actually below average PER I think; amazing how looking like a superstar can confuse the shit out people
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 31, 2013, 03:36:45 AM
But Gay is clutch!  He hit that game winning shot against Lebron.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 31, 2013, 03:37:38 AM
Perkins has very good reason to avoid looking too closely at stats of course
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on January 31, 2013, 03:42:19 AM
It's surprising sometimes how little some players pay attention to other teams.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on January 31, 2013, 03:56:56 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 31, 2013, 03:37:38 AM
Perkins has very good reason to avoid looking too closely at stats of course

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 31, 2013, 04:19:04 AM
Quote from: pilonv1 on January 31, 2013, 03:42:19 AM
It's surprising sometimes how little some players pay attention to other teams.

There is an amazing bit on the Grantland podcast with David Lee and Steph Curry where they admit that neither of them know what true shooting % is. You'd think their agents would mention it to them at least, especially Curry's!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on January 31, 2013, 05:02:13 AM
Curry should because his is awesome :lol

I can understand them not knowing some advanced stats but Rudy Gay is shooting 40% and has his lowest scoring average since his rookie year. Also getting to the line the least of his career since his rookie year. \

But I can't imagine being a professional athlete and not scouting, watching and knowing your opponents inside out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 31, 2013, 03:36:51 PM
Pretty cool

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF0vQGFpHrs

Might as well toss this in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m8OeZWbcOE
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 31, 2013, 07:06:19 PM
Quote from: Hyoushi on January 31, 2013, 03:02:27 AM
https://twitter.com/KendrickPerkins/statuses/296757137638567936 (https://twitter.com/KendrickPerkins/statuses/296757137638567936)

hehe
Rudy Gay is right there under Kyle Korver, Corey Brewer, and Chandler Parsons. #badtrade
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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 31, 2013, 08:16:44 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on January 31, 2013, 04:19:04 AM
Quote from: pilonv1 on January 31, 2013, 03:42:19 AM
It's surprising sometimes how little some players pay attention to other teams.

There is an amazing bit on the Grantland podcast with David Lee and Steph Curry where they admit that neither of them know what true shooting % is. You'd think their agents would mention it to them at least, especially Curry's!

I wouldn't be surprised if they're lying just to appear unconcerned about stats.  Look at the uproar over Dwight Howard looking at the stat sheet after a loss.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 31, 2013, 10:01:41 PM
Thunder having NO MERCY on the Grizz post-trade
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 31, 2013, 10:36:38 PM
Loved Hakeem doing what we laughingly now call 'the Rondo' there at the end :bow

Fascinating to see LeBron soak that stuff up. This is the diff between him and Rudy Gay, who has essentially acquired no new skills since entering the league
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 31, 2013, 11:20:38 PM
Marv and C-Webb calling the GSW game, hoorah

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 31, 2013, 11:32:22 PM
Kevin Pelton giving Hollinger some love. Quite exciting that they have a bunch of trade exemption cash to spend this season without worrying about the tax, as well the option of dealing Z-Bo without really getting worse this season.

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With Thursday's three-way trade sending Rudy Gay to the Toronto Raptors in exchange for a package headlined by Raptors forward Ed Davis and Tayshaun Prince of the Detroit Pistons, the Memphis Grizzlies are attempting to pull off the most difficult of NBA balancing acts -- building for the future while continuing to win now. Can they achieve both goals? Let's take a look.

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The obvious question for the Grizzlies is how they replace the point production Gay provided. At 17.2 points per game, he was the leading scorer on a team that is often starved for points. From the perspective of the Memphis front office, including Per Diem predecessor John Hollinger, that scoring came at a price. Gay was one of the league's most inefficient high scorers, with a true shooting percentage -- incorporating 3s and free throws -- of .478, far below the league average of .530. Prince, Gay's likely replacement in the starting lineup, has a superior .503 TS%.

At the same time, Gay's ability to create shots did have value. He was responsible for using a team-high 25.6 percent of the Grizzlies' plays while on the floor, far higher than Prince's usage rate in Detroit (18.3 percent). Memphis probably will fill in those extra plays by committee. My SCHOENE projection system sees each of the team's starters boosting their scoring average by at least 0.5 points per game (see table).

Scoring Averages To Go Up?
Player   Current PPG   Proj. PPG
Randolph   15.8   16.5
Gasol   13.7   14.2
Conley   13.0   13.7
Prince   11.7 (Det.)   12.9
Bayless   5.8   10.3
Allen   8.2   9.5
The player who figures to add the most scoring responsibility is sixth man Jerryd Bayless, who averaged 11.4 points per game last year in Toronto. Bayless has been less prolific this year, in part because he has focused on playmaking as the backup to point guard Mike Conley. The emergence of rookie Tony Wroten has freed up Bayless to play off the ball, and he has scored double figures in each of his past four games. Look for Bayless to continue to see more playing time and occasionally finish games at shooting guard next to Conley.

For the rest of the Grizzlies, more shot attempts will mean lower shooting percentages. Research has shown a consistent tradeoff between additional usage and TS%. When we account for the value of Gay's usage, his adjusted TS% is better than Prince's mark and nearly identical to Memphis' average as a team. So the Grizzlies probably will decline on offense, though not by much. SCHOENE projects the new Memphis lineup will rank 22nd in the NBA in offensive rating -- a slight decline from the Grizzlies' current ranking of 20th.

No matter who's at small forward, Memphis wins with grit, grind and defense. Only the Indiana Pacers allow fewer points per possession than the Grizzlies, and that doesn't figure to change by swapping out Gay for the long-limbed Prince. Though Prince is no longer regarded as an elite stopper, Detroit has defended small forwards better than any other position this season. Opposing 3s are posting a 10.9 PER against Prince, per 82games.com, an improvement on the 13.4 PER Gay has allowed.

There's no question that Gay is the more talented player, and has been more productive as recently as last season. However, Prince is perfectly capable of replacing the production Gay has offered during a down year for him. Consider this move mostly a wash in the short term, one tilting Memphis slightly more toward defense instead of offense. The Grizzlies remain in a fight for the fourth seed in the Western Conference and home-court advantage in the first round, but far behind the top three contenders in the West.

Future flexibility
By shedding some $4.5 million in salary this season, $7.5 million next year, and more than $10 million in 2014-15, Memphis has finally removed the financial noose that hung around the franchise's neck since extending or re-signing Conley, Gay, Marc Gasol and Zach Randolph in a 17-month span. The Grizzlies gathered a number of trade exceptions by creatively structuring both this deal and last week's trade with Cleveland. The team now has enough room to spend the largest of these exceptions -- $7.5 million for Gay himself -- to add salary before the trade deadline and still remain under the luxury tax line.

One interesting name to watch is J.J. Redick, who might be available in the final season of his contract with the Orlando Magic and would fit neatly within Memphis' new trade exception. Redick would give Memphis more scoring, shooting and creativity at the two-guard spot, their biggest long-term need. Since plenty of teams covet Redick, trading for him would probably require giving up the newly acquired Davis.

Then again, the Grizzlies may see Davis and not Randolph as their power forward of the future. After moving into the Toronto starting lineup in place of Andrea Bargnani, Davis thrived, averaging 12.9 points and 7.7 rebounds per game on 55.7 percent shooting. The 23-year-old Davis is a better fit with the rest of the team's core (Conley is 25 and Gasol 28) in terms of age than Randolph, 31.

The trick is finding the right landing spot for Randolph. Though he's an All-Star, the combination of his age and salary ($34.3 million over the two seasons after this one) makes him a tough fit for most of the teams that have a need at power forward. One notable exception is the Brooklyn Nets, who could build an offer around Kris Humphries' shorter contract and have hardly shied away from adding salary. A package of Humphries and MarShon Brooks might give the Grizzlies both scoring prowess on the perimeter and a chance at cap space in the summer of 2014.

Because the luxury tax is no longer looming, Memphis doesn't have any pressure to move Randolph. However, if trading Gay even after getting under the tax this season has taught us anything, it's that the new Grizzlies front office won't shy away from making aggressive moves.

The danger for Memphis was becoming a Western Conference version of the Atlanta Hawks of recent vintage -- never seriously a contender, with little hope of ever getting to that point and a window in danger of snapping closed. Instead, the Grizzlies have extended their timetable by getting younger and adding financial flexibility. And it looks as though they've done it without dealing their chances this season much of a blow, if any.

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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 31, 2013, 11:51:04 PM
KD's stats this year are just crazy, well above his personal average [which is already crazy as it is] in pretty much all the major stats. And the Thunder overall just look incredibly hard for anybody to beat consistently. I know San Antonio still has a one game lead over them, but after last year it's just really hard to see them making any kind of significant run in the playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 01, 2013, 12:09:07 AM
but that athleticism also makes it hard for Lebron to be a consistent outside shooter
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Robo on February 01, 2013, 01:06:25 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 31, 2013, 11:51:04 PM
KD's stats this year are just crazy, well above his personal average [which is already crazy as it is] in pretty much all the major stats. And the Thunder overall just look incredibly hard for anybody to beat consistently. I know San Antonio still has a one game lead over them, but after last year it's just really hard to see them making any kind of significant run in the playoffs.

San Antonio didn't have a significant run in the playoffs last year ... ?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 01, 2013, 09:54:34 AM
Oops, I was thinking about two years ago. :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 01, 2013, 01:39:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atQmVLYxEcw
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 01, 2013, 03:47:29 PM
(http://i.minus.com/iS4hbK9Gcc3Q9.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on February 01, 2013, 04:36:10 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 01, 2013, 04:48:45 PM
He looks like a guy trying to get to the front row at a festival concert. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 01, 2013, 08:16:10 PM
Quote
Celtics rookie Jared Sullinger will miss the rest of the season with a back injury, league sources tell Y! Sports. He will need surgery.

When it rains it pours
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 01, 2013, 08:19:32 PM
lol, him and Bradley were the only bright spots left

this is fucked up. Oh well, at least they gave it a shot. Now Ainge can blow it all up with a clear conscience and the fans won't riot
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 01, 2013, 08:36:49 PM
Miami getting their ass kicked in Indy. How not surprising.  :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 01, 2013, 08:56:21 PM
regular season indy match ups just suck for miami
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 01, 2013, 10:36:37 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Lebron moved again.  He's the only that still looks hungry.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 01, 2013, 11:35:31 PM
lol what

not until wade retires and the rest of the team sucks, at the very least
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 02, 2013, 12:03:01 AM
Miami has had a half season to realize this pure small ball crap doesn't work against certain teams. It's more of a change of pace attack during a game or something that works against specific teams. Their offense is better than last year but their defense is clearly worse which is troublesome.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 02, 2013, 12:12:13 AM
omfg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6iTzXBjeZ0
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Robo on February 02, 2013, 07:42:57 PM
 :lol amazing
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 02, 2013, 07:46:24 PM
Classy. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 02, 2013, 11:22:03 PM
The end of the cavs/okc game was fantastic. Kyrie was killing it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 03, 2013, 12:03:41 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 02, 2013, 11:22:03 PM
The end of the cavs/okc game was fantastic. Kyrie was killing it.

Yeah I just watched the 4th quarter on league pass. He was amazing.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIANMqJX0ig
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 03, 2013, 12:51:53 AM
It's good to hear that Bill Cosby is getting work doing Cavs games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2013, 02:12:42 AM
So I'm guessing Victor Oladipo will be the #1 draft pick.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on February 03, 2013, 02:02:44 PM
lolol MWP
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 03, 2013, 02:42:35 PM
Artest is a bully

you never see him pull his dumb shit with someone that would whoop his ass
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 03, 2013, 03:31:46 PM
Drummond looks like he could be a dominant force for years to come.  If Drummond's mindset is right, he and Anthony Davis would be Dwight/Okafor all over again. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: naff on February 03, 2013, 05:26:45 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 02, 2013, 12:12:13 AM
omfg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6iTzXBjeZ0
 :lol

:rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 03, 2013, 06:22:18 PM
Quote
Sources tell Sporting News that the #Clippers have contacted the #Celtics about Kevin Garnett. Offer would include Caron Butler and Beldsoe.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 03, 2013, 08:18:40 PM
i love Bledsoe but jeez, that's a kick in the balls for Rondo if they take it, innit

KG has a no-trade clause but I guess he would maybe waive that to go to the Clips this year....I'm sure he wants to play with Chris Paul as much as everyone else
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 03, 2013, 08:22:20 PM
Bledsoe has been inconsistent during this bad stretch for the Clippers but I still think that he can be traded for more than KG 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 03, 2013, 08:27:20 PM
The Clippers don't really have a need though, other than insurance for Paul maybe leaving in the offseason. Bledsoe is about as good as you can reasonably expect for that, given that trading the farm away for someone who could genuinely fill Paul's shoes would piss Paul off and induce him to leave...

But this could well be just a feeler to try to establish Bledsoe's market value
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 03, 2013, 08:33:30 PM
just hypothetically though, Bledsoe and Bradley would be a crazily disruptive backcourt. They're undersized but it doesn't seem to stop them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 03, 2013, 10:14:53 PM
edit: accidental post
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 04, 2013, 01:06:26 AM
I wouldn't call Bledsoe undersized.  He's much beefier than most PG.  While he's a little short, his wingspan is huge and of course there's the incredible reflexes and leaping ability.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 04, 2013, 01:37:24 AM
Paired with Bradley though...I think they're 6'1'' and 6'2'' respectively. The likes of Derrick Rose or John Wall are going to be seeing over them, and one of them would have to take the 2...they're both pitbulls though, i'd take them as a package for sure

(would mention Ricky Rubio but sadly he is sucking too badly to be in any kind of good PG conversation :gloomy)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on February 04, 2013, 06:34:34 AM
You can only get so far with two small guards
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 04, 2013, 06:39:20 AM
Isiah Thomas & Joe Dumars did ok
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on February 04, 2013, 06:45:25 AM
Well Joe was at least 6'3"-6'4". And one of the best defenders ever. And Isiah was Isiah. You knew what I meant!

They'd be like the opposite of Curry & Ellis. They would be awesome fun to watch though for completely different reasons.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 04, 2013, 06:50:23 AM
In John Wall's case, giving him a clear jumper isn't necessarily a bad thing.

If a team was going to try to build around a small backcourt, this is probably the right time for it.  How many 2-guards are backing down defenders to score when they've got a strength advantage?  Would be fun to see them try it out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 04, 2013, 08:38:48 PM
The problem is, they can't build around Bledsoe if Rondo is coming back. And they can't really trade Rondo while he's hurt, unless it's to a real no-hoper who wants to tank the next two seasons.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 04, 2013, 09:47:51 PM
...close game alert, miami versus charlotte

jesus  :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 04, 2013, 09:49:20 PM
i suddenly can't be assed watching ANY games :fbm

i like a bunch of teams but i don't really care if any particular one of them wins or loses now. After the Kings blew up I was like this for like 2-3 years before i glommed onto the Celtics :fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 04, 2013, 09:52:20 PM
the answer is clear

root for the lakers downfall
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 04, 2013, 10:31:40 PM
i have been consistent there for 12 years
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 04, 2013, 10:32:09 PM
i need to love as well as hate though, not quite feeling the love for anywhere else the same way
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 04, 2013, 10:33:39 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 04, 2013, 09:49:20 PM
i suddenly can't be assed watching ANY games :fbm

i like a bunch of teams but i don't really care if any particular one of them wins or loses now. After the Kings blew up I was like this for like 2-3 years before i glommed onto the Celtics :fbm

It happens.

Especially for fans who didn't grow up in a town with an NBA team. I've always been a free roamer when it comes to franchises. I've had a few different favorite teams/players over the years where I've had to struggle to find a new one once my attraction was over. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 04, 2013, 10:38:45 PM
I didn't catch it so I'll watch it tonight on league pass but jeez Lebron was 13 of 14 tonight from the field. Toss in 8 rebounds and 8 assists. He is just unworldly sometimes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on February 04, 2013, 11:55:05 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 04, 2013, 09:49:20 PM
i suddenly can't be assed watching ANY games :fbm

i like a bunch of teams but i don't really care if any particular one of them wins or loses now. After the Kings blew up I was like this for like 2-3 years before i glommed onto the Celtics :fbm
No better time to join the Knicks bandwagon. ;)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 05, 2013, 01:05:42 AM
Watched that Heat game. Man Chris Anderson was a nice little pick up on the cheap.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Himu on February 05, 2013, 11:38:09 AM
http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-simers-pau-gasol-20130205,0,3248032.column

is dwight that bad :rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 05, 2013, 12:35:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af1-llkfy44

 :yuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 05, 2013, 03:30:55 PM
Yea, I watched that interview last night. I was shocked at how good Steven A. did.

Also, I don't think it was too smart for Dwight Howard to admit his back hurts when he sits down. Not exactly what a sports team wants to hear if they are thinking about throwing max money at you in the off-season.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on February 05, 2013, 04:43:52 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 04, 2013, 09:49:20 PM
i suddenly can't be assed watching ANY games :fbm

i like a bunch of teams but i don't really care if any particular one of them wins or loses now. After the Kings blew up I was like this for like 2-3 years before i glommed onto the Celtics :fbm

There's space on the Warriors bandwagon for you.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 05, 2013, 06:48:35 PM
I am feeling the Warriors, yes. They are likable and fun, and are on the rise but not yet to the point where it feels like BLATANT bandwagoning, like OKC or the Clippers. They offer a tightwire act thanks to injuries, and their defense and rebounding improvements are a total mystery to the entire league which obviously is a reason to actually watch with your own eyes rather than read box scores...yes...the Warriors...
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 05, 2013, 09:42:22 PM
Rockets going insane - 77pts in the first half (i'm watching on LP on delay, it's probably over by now...)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 05, 2013, 10:23:34 PM
There's always room on the Wizards' wagon.  The wheels are crooked, the axle's busted, and people keep dying of dysentery, but there's room!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 05, 2013, 10:25:02 PM
Talking Heads 'Road to Nowhere' just popped into my head for some reason :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 05, 2013, 10:27:25 PM
J-Lin is unrecognizable vs the start of the season, great to see. He's in full-on Linsanity mode tonight :rock
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 05, 2013, 11:07:15 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 05, 2013, 09:42:22 PM
Rockets going insane - 77pts in the first half (i'm watching on LP on delay, it's probably over by now...)

wtf!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 05, 2013, 11:07:59 PM
140 points.  holy shit
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on February 06, 2013, 04:29:01 AM
Not concerned with the Warriors loss tonight. Won't ever see a team shoot that well from three again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 06, 2013, 01:49:30 PM
Has nothing to do with anything but man the Spurs are a well run franchise. Best record in the League as usual with a 38-11 record.

Quote
As of July 2009, the Spurs rank third among active franchises for the highest winning percentage in NBA history; they have only missed the playoffs four times as an NBA franchise.
In their 36 NBA seasons since 1976–1977, the Spurs have captured 18 division titles. They have made the playoffs in 21 of the last 22 seasons, and have not missed the playoffs in the 15 seasons since Tim Duncan was drafted by the Spurs in 1997. With their 50th win in the 2011-2012 season, the Spurs currently hold the record for most consecutive 50+ win seasons at 13.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 06, 2013, 03:05:38 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 06, 2013, 01:49:30 PM
Has nothing to do with anything but man the Spurs are a well run franchise. Best record in the League as usual with a 38-11 record.

Quote
As of July 2009, the Spurs rank third among active franchises for the highest winning percentage in NBA history; they have only missed the playoffs four times as an NBA franchise.
In their 36 NBA seasons since 1976–1977, the Spurs have captured 18 division titles. They have made the playoffs in 21 of the last 22 seasons, and have not missed the playoffs in the 15 seasons since Tim Duncan was drafted by the Spurs in 1997. With their 50th win in the 2011-2012 season, the Spurs currently hold the record for most consecutive 50+ win seasons at 13.

holy shit
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 06, 2013, 08:03:23 PM
Pau out for the duration it seems....this is like the Year of Karma for the Lakers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 06, 2013, 08:12:07 PM
no pity

Lakers fans can't stop whining and bitching about Heat stacking their team but forgot all about their principles as soon as this season began
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 06, 2013, 09:37:58 PM
Cormacaroni should be watching more basketball not less.

The Celtics are 5-0 since Rondo went down.

 ;)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 06, 2013, 09:52:19 PM
oh, that's just the dead cat bounce

Rondo being out removes the puncher's chance they had in the playoffs, which wasn't that great to begin with of course. They'd have needed more injuries a la Bosh and Rose to have any hope. But you never know - LeBron could finally get hurt and everything could change. That was enough for me to stick around for the regular season....
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 06, 2013, 10:26:04 PM
Eric Bledsoe had 6 steals and 3 blocks tonight

Kinda nuts regardless of the competition
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 07, 2013, 01:20:23 AM
how dare that selfish child Dwight not put Kobe's legacy ahead of his own future,

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/8924249/kobe-bryant-challenges-dwight-howard-return-shoulder-injury-play-pain
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 07, 2013, 01:23:52 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 07, 2013, 01:20:23 AM
how dare that selfish child Dwight not put Kobe's legacy ahead of his own future,

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/8924249/kobe-bryant-challenges-dwight-howard-return-shoulder-injury-play-pain

Quote
(Howard) has never been in a position where someone is driving him as hard as I am, as hard as this organization is," Bryant told MacMullan. "It's win a championship or everything is a complete failure. That's just how (the Lakers) do it. And that's foreign to him.

"When you think about it, there aren't many organizations that look at it that way. There are only two that can really honestly say that's what they live by -- Los Angeles and Boston."

Kobe is one of the few players who manages to say something that annoys me in every single interview.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 07, 2013, 01:39:19 AM
Dwight took the Magic to the Finals essentially by himself, I think he knows about pressure. Kobe is in 'don't blame ME' mode again I see. God forbid anyone would compare him unfavorably to MJ or anything. That would be so unfair because MJ had awesome centers like Luc Longley and Bill Wennington his whole career, not cripples and tin men like Dwight and Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 07, 2013, 01:47:46 AM
I told y'all that grand speech about taking all the blame on himself was bull

it's almost crazy how much I dislike Kobe

I actually was a Lakers fan growing up, even when they sucked with Nick Van Exel and Eddie Jones as the main guys

Kobe is the only reason why I hate the Lakers now

I hate him so much that I will make life miserable for anyone matched up against me who is wearing Kobe shoes
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 07, 2013, 01:48:20 AM
Kobe is fucking AIDS

also, happy one year anniversary to Linsansity!  This day (well, yesterday) last year, Jeremy Lin made his first start as a Knick and had 28 points against the Nets.  Yay Jeremy Lin!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 07, 2013, 01:53:06 AM
Linsanity is alive and well, though they lost today. Harden hanging with LeBron was impressive...absolutely dusted him on that step-back J just inside the 2 minute mark. The more I watch him though, the more  I realize how he exploits the rules and the refs better than pretty much anybody. His handle lets him keep the ball alive while offering it up on a platter for defenders to swipe at, even at high speed headed straight towards the rim. They usually end up getting his arms instead, and he gets the and 1. He does get whistled for the occasional offensive charge but overall, he gets a crazy amount of calls for someone not desperately tall or athletic.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 07, 2013, 01:55:00 AM
But how long can Harden play like that?  Look at the toll on TMac and Vince.  They put up even better numbers when they were carrying their teams like Harden. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 07, 2013, 01:59:23 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on February 07, 2013, 01:56:53 AM
You Kobe haters are highly illogical.

He's just an annoying dude. Everything he does is just so contrived. And he's too smart to not be self aware of it so that makes it extra annoying. Great player. I'm just don't like the stuff I perceive as phoniness and brazen and obvious manipulation.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 07, 2013, 02:00:21 AM
you must not play ball or you'd know how annoying it is to play with someone like Kobe
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 07, 2013, 02:04:13 AM
It's a concern I guess but there are plenty of guys who have carried teams for longer than T-Mac and Vince. Dirk, AI, Pierce...

Harden looks hungry to score, but I don't know how he can spare much energy to defend. He really needs to start applying himself there though, even if only spots. Even becoming an average defender would make more of a diff than averaging an extra 5pts a night
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 07, 2013, 02:06:39 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 07, 2013, 02:00:21 AM
you must not play ball or you'd know how annoying it is to play with someone like Kobe

For me its not so much his play style its all the other stuff. All the manipulation. The throwing people under the bus. The immaturity at times for a guy who is way too smart to be that way.

I mean I can separate that stuff out from his playing. I don't necessarily need to respect guys to like them as athletes. It's not like there aren't far worse dicks in the NBA or in other sports for that matter. I just hate that he seems to have taken the worse elements from Jordan, and combined them with his own flaws to create a special stew of annoyance.

But enough of the psycho-analysis. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 07, 2013, 02:10:19 AM
That much is obvious. It is also obvious that he is a dick. The former doesn't excuse the latter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 07, 2013, 02:10:44 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 07, 2013, 02:10:19 AM
That much is obvious. It is also obvious that he is a dick. The former doesn't excuse the latter.
.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 07, 2013, 02:11:15 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 07, 2013, 02:06:39 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 07, 2013, 02:00:21 AM
you must not play ball or you'd know how annoying it is to play with someone like Kobe

For me its not so much his play style its all the other stuff. All the manipulation. The throwing people under the bus. The immaturity at times for a guy who is way too smart to be that way.

I mean I can separate that stuff out from his playing. I don't necessarily need to respect guys to like them as athletes. It's not like there aren't far worse dicks in the NBA or in other sports for that matter. I just hate that he seems to have taken the worse elements from Jordan, and combined them with his own flaws to create a special stew of annoyance.

But enough of the psycho-analysis.

stuff like that is part of playing basketball

even in pickup games, there's no shortage of guys who yell at everyone after shooting 5 for 15 and throwing the ball away 5 times

I swear the only people that know anything about efficiency and stat analysis are the ones that don't play

That's why I win 99% of the time when I pick teams.  They look fair at first glance but those dummies don't know I've factored in everyone's efficiency and redundancy. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 07, 2013, 02:13:19 AM
Warriors getting blown out twice in a row isn't helping me onto this bandwagon, pilonv1
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 07, 2013, 02:15:23 AM
I'm already telling everyone that I was born in Oklahoma City  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 07, 2013, 02:17:27 AM
Cormac, what if I told you there was a team with a young, promising backcourt that had wins over the Knicks, Clippers, Heat and Thunder this year?

Is that something you would be interested in? [/Entourage]
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 07, 2013, 02:18:54 AM
Wizards aren't making the playoffs no matter how much they improve in the 2nd half
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 07, 2013, 02:20:18 AM
Quote from: Mandark on February 07, 2013, 02:17:27 AM
Cormac, what if I told you there was a team with a young, promising backcourt that had wins over the Knicks, Clippers, Heat and Thunder this year?

Is that something you would be interested in? [/Entourage]

I watched a few games this year pre-Wall and they were so. horrible.

They are young but so are OKC....
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 07, 2013, 02:21:12 AM
John Wall is doing alright but why isn't he tearing it up like Irving?  Every time I watch John Wall, he looks like an Olympian going against average NCAA athletes. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2013, 02:22:19 AM
Actually I like playing with Kobe types. They tend to be the hardest working guys on the court, and the most stressed. Plus it feels good giving them a face of disappointment after they fuck up.

Kobe wants that sixth ring bad. I may not like Deight but he isn't healthy, dude deserves some slack. Too bad he's a pussy and won't call Kobe out fully
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 07, 2013, 02:25:17 AM
Hardest working on offense maybe

Usually not on D except to go for blocks or rips

The worst thing about Kobe fans is that they all try to shoot fadeaway js 1 on 3 without half the skill

It was better when everyone just tried to be like Mike because teammates can at least try to tip in misses off layups
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 07, 2013, 02:30:44 AM
Nah, Kobe's a dick.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 07, 2013, 02:31:49 AM
Dwight Howard isn't putting in the work in the gym now, i think i've heard it all
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 07, 2013, 02:32:31 AM
but they are such good buddies! they totally have towel fights in the locker room, no homo! i've seen the tweets
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 07, 2013, 02:38:59 AM
Nash should start riding Kobe for not putting in the work at free throw shooting
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 07, 2013, 02:41:15 AM
Nash should start riding on Kobe for turning him into Steve Blake
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 07, 2013, 02:48:18 AM
ha ha

Cormac, you should listen to Max and Marcellus sometimes

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/radio/sectional?page=podcasts

Max has ridiculous trade scenarios and horrible analysis but he's a great talker and super entertaining.

For years, he's been merciless in evaluating Blake and calling him a D-league player.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 07, 2013, 03:06:28 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on February 07, 2013, 02:28:21 AM
Meh, he doesn't seem like that much of a dick to me. Plenty of pro athletes have done way more dickish things than calling out teammates who aren't putting in the work in the gym.

There's a difference between expressing concern over your team's work ethic, and trying to do everything yourself and passing the blame to others, even though its partly your fault.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 07, 2013, 03:22:11 AM
According to Kobe's own statement, he deliberately contributes to a demanding, high pressure environment and Dwight's struggles are a result of trouble adjusting to that attitude.  What he doesn't seem to get is that if you take it upon yourself to assume an active role in team leadership/player management and pick a strategy that gets less out of your teammates, then YOU ARE DOING A BAD JOB OF IT.  If Dwight really shrinks from pressure, then the team would be better served by Kobe not putting additional pressure on him.

Of course it's all BS.  Dwight's having a hard time because he's still recovering from a major injury that required surgery and a lot of missed time and rehab, and Kobe's not objectively discussing team dynamics, he's telling anyone who will listen that Dwight would do better if only he were inherently awesome and competitive and a winner like Kobe.

At least he's not encouraging Dwight to clobber Michael Beasley.  As far as we know.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 07, 2013, 08:15:51 AM
My issue with his original statement was the whole only Boston and the Lakers have constant pressure to win championships. I get what he's trying to say. That Boston and LA are the two marquee NBA franchises with a unique history. But its just an insulting thing to say to any team or any player that puts in hard work every night. Yes there is pressure to win in LA. There is also more capability of winning because of market factors and payroll. Kobe didn't do it by himself. There was Shaq, and Pau and other marquee players. He gets those role players and teammates in situations where other star players wouldn't necessarily because of the market they are in. So not to take anything away from Kobe and his rings but its like a rich person saying only other rich people understand the burden of being rich. It's too great a simplification of the situation.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 07, 2013, 08:21:35 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 07, 2013, 02:21:12 AM
John Wall is doing alright but why isn't he tearing it up like Irving?  Every time I watch John Wall, he looks like an Olympian going against average NCAA athletes.

He's a bad jump shooter.  Like really, really, really bad.  There are other things he could improve on, but given his size, speed, and finishing ability, that's like 90% of it.  If he even had an average jumper he'd be a nightmare to defend because you couldn't back off of him or always go under the pick and roll, and he's tall and athletic enough to get a shot whenever he wants.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 07, 2013, 06:09:56 PM
Quote
BOSTON -- Dwight Howard is fed up and let it be known that he is tired of other people trying to assess the severity of his shoulder injury.

"I want to play," Howard said after participating in shootaround in advance of the Los Angeles Lakers' game against the Boston Celtics on Thursday. "I mean, why wouldn't I want to play? But at the same time, this is my career, this is my future, this is my life. I can't leave that up to anybody else because nobody else is going to take care of me. So, if people are pissed off that I don't play or if I do play, whatever it may be, so what? This is my career. If I go down, then what? Everybody's life is going to go on. I don't want to have another summer where I'm rehabbing and trying to get healthy again. I want to come back and have another great year. That's what I want to do."

Howard is considered a game-time decision; he has missed the past three games after aggravating a torn labrum in his right shoulder in the Lakers' 92-86 loss to the Phoenix Suns at the start of their current seven-game road trip.

Kobe Bryant publicly challenged Howard to return, telling ESPNBoston.com's Jackie MacMullan on Wednesday, "We don't have time for [Howard's shoulder] to heal. ... We need some urgency."

Howard dismissed Bryant's stance.

"That's his opinion, that's it," Howard said. "He's not a doctor, I'm not a doctor. That's his opinion."

Bryant said that his comments on Wednesday weren't meant to turn up the pressure on Howard in light of the news that Pau Gasol has a torn plantar fascia in his right foot.

"There's an urgency to be out there, but it's not at the cost of making his shoulder worse," Bryant said after shootaround. "I've always said if he was healthy enough to play and there was a situation where he wasn't going to make it any worse then he should be playing. There should be an urgency about that, but I don't think I said anything that was different [than what I said before]."

Bryant wasn't the only one of Howard's teammates to clamor for the All-Star center's return, however.

"I think everyone has got to play through some pain in this league and I'm not sure where Dwight exactly with his [injury], but hopefully he's ready to come back soon," Steve Nash said. "I think it's inevitable he's going to feel some discomfort and pain."

Metta World Peace spoke up in support of Howard, citing how effective he has been while coming off offseason back surgery.

"He's doing great and [he is] a great teammate," World Peace said. "He's out there, he had a couple 20-20 games and is averaging 18 and 11 or something like that playing hurt coming off that back surgery. I would say he's a soldier and I'm not going to question his injury. He's hurt to me. We have to go out there and we have to hold it down for him."

Howard said that Gasol's injury has not sped up his timetable to return and added that he feels he mishandled his back injury last season in Orlando, and that's shaping how he deals with his shoulder this season.

"I don't want that situation to happen again," Howard said. "Last year I wanted to prove and show people that I can play through injuries, but the back is something serious and I don't want that to happen again."

Howard was asked if he could see his shoulder injury becoming worse if he gets back on the court.

"Yes, [with] the way I play," Howard said. "The post is not an easy position. You're pushing guys [who weigh] 260-270 [pounds] and you have to use a lot of force to do that. If I play tonight, we'll see how I feel later on. If I don't, we'll just have to move forward."

Lakers coach Mike D'Antoni said that the Lakers will likely go with a small starting lineup of Earl Clark at center and World Peace and Antawn Jamison at the forward spots if Howard cannot play against the Celtics.

"If we just go out there and play team basketball, move bodies, help, hedge on screens, box out, sacrifice and at the end of the game it's just going to be a team game and there's five guys on the floor, so, I don't think we have positions," said World Peace, who could be asked to play some backup center along with rookie Robert Sacre. "Kobe could be switched off on the center. It's just five guys playing basketball at this point."

D'Antoni said the decision on whether to play ultimately rests with Howard.

"I think he's cleared [by the medical staff], but he's cleared [fully] when the pain goes away, so he tells us when the pain goes away," D'Antoni said.

D'Antoni said he has not had any discussions with team management about adding another big man in the interim with Gasol flying back to L.A. on Thursday morning to meet with Lakers team doctors as well as a specialist, but he plans to meet with general manager Mitch Kupchak in Miami on Saturday to talk things over.

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/8926084/dwight-howard-los-angeles-lakers-tired-people-questioning-shoulder-injury
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 07, 2013, 06:32:13 PM
Kobe: torn labrum? more like torn labia amirite? You better endure the pain because I'm not taking "no" for an answer.
Puddles: You're so dreamy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 07, 2013, 07:14:56 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 07, 2013, 08:47:57 PM
Kobe: borderline psychopathic, but not much of a dick

(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/3240/itisamystery.gif)

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 07, 2013, 08:55:44 PM
if all Kobe cares about is winning, stfu and play for $1 million
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 07, 2013, 08:56:48 PM
Wait, Dwight said all that shit and he's playing today :lol

(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/3240/itisamystery.gif)

(http://i45.tinypic.com/15n0ie0.png)

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2013, 08:59:36 PM
Dwight should have learned long ago that telling Kobe no is a bad idea
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 07, 2013, 08:59:53 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2013, 08:59:36 PM
Dwight should have learned long ago that telling Kobe no is a bad idea

:rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 07, 2013, 09:05:33 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on February 07, 2013, 08:45:29 PM
I probably admire his borderline-psychopathic obsession with dominating opponents because I'm something of a psychopath when it comes to certain forms of competition as well.
Strunk and White that shit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 07, 2013, 10:21:03 PM
oh lol now Kobe is coming out with his elbow all taped up so everybody all the way up to the back row can see what pain he is playing through
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 07, 2013, 10:21:25 PM
I mean, I'm a Boston fan, I realize this is known as pulling a Pierce but come on
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 07, 2013, 10:21:59 PM
Marv and Steve are killing it though...papercuts :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 07, 2013, 10:46:30 PM
well the Celtics may not have much to hang their hats on this season, but they certainly gave the Lakers a solid reaming tonight. A-plus entertainment
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 07, 2013, 10:48:52 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 07, 2013, 10:21:03 PM
oh lol now Kobe is coming out with his elbow all taped up so everybody all the way up to the back row can see what pain he is playing through

even though he just told Howard to ignore what fans think

dick move  #30,000
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 07, 2013, 10:49:24 PM
Do you think the Celtics will end up with a higher win percentage this year without Rondo or with Rondo?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 07, 2013, 10:58:25 PM
well, i said above that this was a dead cat bounce. Obviously Lee and Terry and Barbosa are happier with more minutes and are keen to play well before the trade deadline. There is also the pride kicking in. But there is also some genuine Ewing Theory stuff going on because Rondo was just not playing that well most nights, and he affected the whole team. Now there are unlimited backcourt minutes available if you hustle, and they are hustling like crazy (Bradley and Lee are just eating PGs alive with their full-court pressing). I think Rondo would have picked it up hugely in the playoffs though, and nobody else can really do that.

So regular season, Celtics might do better in the 2nd half than the 1st but I bet they tail off again after the trade deadline and all the vets realize that they're not going to get traded to the Clippers or OKC. And they're not going to do well in the playoffs vs having Rondo, no way.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 08, 2013, 12:22:58 AM
wish I have the money to spare on this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330869314747
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 08, 2013, 10:41:33 AM
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8890734/chuck-klosterman-royce-white

Meant to post this a week ago but forgot to. Interesting stuff. I've never been sure how I feel about him. Sometimes I think he is an immature naive kid. Sometimes I think he has a point.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 08, 2013, 11:57:44 AM
Kobe's mouthpiece, "yo, Superman, you suck more than Pau"

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/8928525/dwight-howard-return-los-angeles-lakers-lineup-changes-little
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 08, 2013, 12:26:18 PM
(http://i46.tinypic.com/207411w.png)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jfeHB3HszRw/SwoDXLZaMEI/AAAAAAAAAZQ/xzKW6jzCF4A/s1600/sad_george_michael.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 08, 2013, 01:18:25 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on February 08, 2013, 01:04:40 PM
This is a forum of dicks.

If only.  :-*
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 08, 2013, 04:57:42 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on February 08, 2013, 12:26:18 PM
http://i46.tinypic.com/207411w.png

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jfeHB3HszRw/SwoDXLZaMEI/AAAAAAAAAZQ/xzKW6jzCF4A/s1600/sad_george_michael.jpg

Gets even better when you realize Kobe's about to bust out the Gob chicken dance.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 08, 2013, 05:04:48 PM
 :rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 08, 2013, 06:35:15 PM
got a gimped matchup between the heat and clippers tonight within the hour

should be good regardless
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on February 08, 2013, 06:47:02 PM
No Bosh = gimped? Nah

I'll be flipping between that and the usual Friday Night Knicks struggles.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 08, 2013, 07:01:38 PM
Allen and Wade may be out too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on February 08, 2013, 07:05:15 PM
Wade is in. Allen is out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 08, 2013, 09:39:24 PM
Lebron has been nasty this whole week.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 08, 2013, 10:06:14 PM
Damn, can't say I foresaw such a shellacking by the Heat
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 08, 2013, 10:08:17 PM
Bobcats LOL
Title: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on February 09, 2013, 04:46:02 AM
Drummond noooooooo :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2013, 01:20:02 PM
Bah, sucks. I really think Drummond is gonna be craazy good
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 10, 2013, 04:07:47 AM
Good piece on Jay Williams.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/10/sports/basketball/a-leg-rebuilt-a-life-renewed-for-jay-williams.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 10, 2013, 12:37:34 PM
Knicks versus clips and heat versus lakers on abc today.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 10, 2013, 01:09:15 PM
Shumpert, you need to cut that hair. This ain't the 90's anymore.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on February 10, 2013, 02:33:17 PM
High tops have been making a comeback dude.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 10, 2013, 02:34:49 PM
Quote from: Beezy on February 10, 2013, 02:33:17 PM
High tops have been making a comeback dude.

Lots of awful things make comebacks. Let's not applaud it.

This comes from someone who rocked one in high school but now realizes how lame it was.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 10, 2013, 02:38:53 PM
Quote from: Exodust SoulBurn on February 10, 2013, 02:36:29 PM
We left the 80's worship and are jumping straight into 90's worship, it was inevitable Stoney.

The 90's have always been awesome, though. :bow Clinton Years :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 10, 2013, 04:30:21 PM
Quote from: Beezy on February 10, 2013, 02:33:17 PM
High tops have been making a comeback dude.
http://gawker.com/avery-robinson/

:bow Shumpert macking on the president's daughters :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 10, 2013, 06:28:09 PM
Lakers were in the game until Kobe tried to show he's on the King's level

I am almost certain that Bron guarding Kobe was a strategic ploy to bait Kobe into going solo
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 10, 2013, 07:23:18 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on February 10, 2013, 04:20:29 PM
LeBron commenting on the Lakers' season. Dude is such a goddamn douchebag.
Woah, woah, woah! LeBron commented on the Lakers during a game against the Lakers. The nerve.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 10, 2013, 07:29:55 PM
He hates LeBron but thinks Kobe is an okay dude why are people getting so worked up over him anyway he's just a hard worker who wants to win more than anybody else. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 10, 2013, 09:19:47 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on February 10, 2013, 04:20:29 PM
LeBron commenting on the Lakers' season. Dude is such a goddamn douchebag.

oh get fucked shinobi
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 10, 2013, 10:09:27 PM
As opposed to all around good guy Kobe.  :lol

Anyway.

Quote
James has now tied an NBA record, becoming one of three players in the history of the league to score 30-plus points in five straight games while shooting 60 percent or better from the field in each game. He is an unfathomable 55-of-77 from the field (71.4 percent) over those five games
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 10, 2013, 10:13:32 PM
I figured AWESOME-O was joking, at least partially.

Kobe's not a dick --> he's a psychopath, but only because he's competitive --> sure he's a dick, but c'mon everyone's kind of a dick --> OMG LeBron is such a douche!!!

All in the space of two pages.  At least some of that has to be trolling/self-deprecating humor/performance art, right?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 10, 2013, 10:22:32 PM
Really, Mandark, don't you have a copy of the DSM IV.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 10, 2013, 10:23:53 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on February 10, 2013, 10:22:32 PM
Really, Mandark, don't you have a copy of the DSM IV.

 :lol

The distinction being whether or not you play for the Lakers, I'm guessing.

Anyways, San Antonio's on the rodeo road trip whupping up on the Nets without Duncan or Ginobili.  Time for that bimonthly post remding us how good the Spurs are, Cormac!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 10, 2013, 10:24:15 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on February 10, 2013, 10:17:50 PM
You're making the mistake of assuming that dick and douche are synonymous.

Kobe is more of a dick; LeBron is more of a douche. IMO, dickishness is a far more excusable personality trait than douchiness.

Well rape is definitely more of a dick move so you may have a point...

I tease.


Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 10, 2013, 10:35:02 PM
Need help filling out the list.
Dicks: Jordan, Bird, Kobe, KG, Rodman, Laimbeer, R. Barry
dickwads: Kemp, Sprewell, Marbury, Donald Sterling
pencil dicks: Dan Gilbert
Numbnuts: Nick Young, Javale McGee, Metta World Peace, Josh Howard
nipple dicks: ??
Douches: LeBron, KG, Thomas, Pitino, Rodman, K. Malone, Patterson
Pussies: Carter, Bargnani
assholes: Barkley, KG, Cuban, Sheed, Jackson, Rodman
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 10, 2013, 10:56:42 PM
Man, that's already a good list.  Probably get a lot of mileage by adding coaches.  Also Sheed and Stephen Jackson.


edit: Cuban for the assholes list
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 10, 2013, 11:16:14 PM
Numbnuts: Nick Young, Javale McGee, Metta World Peace
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 11, 2013, 12:17:17 AM
Rapists: Kobe
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on February 11, 2013, 12:44:06 AM
Clowns: Dwight Howard
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 11, 2013, 12:55:43 AM
pedophiles: duckroll

Quote from: Hyoushi on February 09, 2013, 04:46:02 AM
Drummond noooooooo :(
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2013, 01:20:02 PM
Bah, sucks. I really think Drummond is gonna be craazy good
Worst part is they just got Calderon on the court.

Who is going insane even without him. A player who can actually handle and advance the ball up the court would have murdered with Andre.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 11, 2013, 01:27:16 AM
a good article on Drummond from the always controversial WOW:

http://wagesofwins.com/2013/02/06/voters-write-down-andre-drummond-for-rookie-of-the-year-in-pen/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 11, 2013, 01:43:11 AM
Quote from: Mandark on February 10, 2013, 10:23:53 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on February 10, 2013, 10:22:32 PM
Really, Mandark, don't you have a copy of the DSM IV.

 :lol

The distinction being whether or not you play for the Lakers, I'm guessing.

Anyways, San Antonio's on the rodeo road trip whupping up on the Nets without Duncan or Ginobili.  Time for that bimonthly post remding us how good the Spurs are, Cormac!

Unfortunately just as I got a few people on that bandwagon last season, OKC happened to them :lol  But again, they're doing all the right things - resting the stars (or getting by without them due to injury), bringing up the bench guys, destroying everyone with execution....
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 11, 2013, 02:29:40 AM
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/8935100/los-angeles-lakers-compared-miami-heat

the nobility and courage of a warrior going into an impossible fight

I'm misting up
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 11, 2013, 12:47:38 PM
In Gay's first five games with the Raptors, he's averaging 23.4 points on 21.4 shots. That efficiency.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 11, 2013, 02:34:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNb8kqmxO7I


http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2013/feb/10/tayshaun-prince-fan-lives-his-dream-at-grizzlies/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 11, 2013, 03:22:24 PM
Another fun factoid.

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In the past two decades, only two players have shot 56+ pct from the floor on 18+ attempts per game: Shaq and LeBron.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2013, 04:16:24 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 11, 2013, 02:34:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNb8kqmxO7I


http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2013/feb/10/tayshaun-prince-fan-lives-his-dream-at-grizzlies/
ha that's awesome. Prince is one of the nicest NBA guys I've ever met

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EGMtbucFD0
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 11, 2013, 05:07:28 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 11, 2013, 03:22:24 PM
Another fun factoid.

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In the past two decades, only two players have shot 56+ pct from the floor on 18+ attempts per game: Shaq and LeBron.

that's fucking insane, holy shit

lebron is god-tier
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 11, 2013, 05:09:56 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/16858/anatomy-of-lebron-james-last-65-shots

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MIAMI -- With 9:24 left in the fourth quarter in last Sunday’s game in Toronto, LeBron James took a fadeaway jumper off the left wing and it missed off the back iron.

He has gone 49-of-65 since.

Repeat: 49-of-65.

When alerted of those numbers after Miami Heat's win over the Los Angeles Lakers on Sunday, James did a double-take in front of his locker.

“Forty-nine what, makes?” James asked.

Yeah, makes.

“Forty-nine of what?”

Forty-nine of last 65.

“S---, that’s pretty good,” James said.

Pretty good, indeed. But how exactly do we put 49-of-65 in proper perspective? Teammate Shane Battier said that task is impossible.

“You can’t, at least historically,” Battier said. “I don’t want to talk about it. It’s like blowing up a no-hitter.”

We’ll save that superstition for Battier because this streak is too remarkable to leave it be.

James is shooting 75.4 percent since that missed jumper in Toronto. He finished 4-of-4 that game and then shot 13-of-14 against Charlotte, 11-of-18 against Houston, 9-of-11 against the Los Angeles Clippers and, finally, 12-of-18 against the Lakers on Sunday.

What a douche.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 11, 2013, 05:12:23 PM
If he were a good teammate, he'd miss some shots to allow his teammates to get some offensive boards. In this sense, Kobe looked out for Shaq.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 11, 2013, 09:10:40 PM
We're at the interesting bit of LeBron's career, where everyone can see the utter terrorism he is about to inflict over the next 3-4 years of his projected 'peak' but no-one dare mouth the words 'better than MJ'. Someone will eventually break and say it on ESPN or wherever, but probably 2 years or so late. I mean, he's a better shooter than MJ in terms of % (and pretty much everybody else not a center), he's way better from 3pt territory, he's a significantly better distributor (not that MJ couldn't excel, but it wasn't usually his job), he's a better post player (again, MJ was great there but he wasn't doing it against 270lb'ers so have to give LeBron the edge), he's had a surfeit of big moments and dramatic finishes, he's a better rebounder, a better dunker, bigger better faster more basically. And he's doing it all against far tougher and more complex defenses than Jordan faced (yes, I know about the Jordan Rules but MJ still got to go one-on-one all night long).

So you'll hear a lot about rings and winning but at some point LeBron will likely have 3 or 4 rings himself and opinion will shift. At this point MJ is still comfortably ahead obviously, and as the first real global basketball phenomenon, he has a huge incumbent's advantage...but if we're talking trajectories and reasonable assumptions, I see no real reason why LeBron won't retire as the GOAT. Except maybe that Durant kid. (and incidentally? Better than any of MJ's competition at his position by far. Probably better than any of MJ's competition other than Barkley in fact).
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 11, 2013, 09:21:53 PM
You can also pencil him in for better career scoring, rebounding, and assist stats as well, which have a decent impact in the court of public opinion. (with the caveat that no-one ever mentions Kareem as the GOAT, somewhat unfairly perhaps). He'll almost certainly play more years than MJ too, and be seen by even more people than MJ was due to a bigger global fanbase (China, Europe) now....
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 11, 2013, 09:34:43 PM
Pump your brakes a bit.  Jordan was a much deadlier shooter than LeBron from midrange (I don't think any of the fancy shot-tracking services were around at that point, but FT% should attest to this).  I don't think it's clear that LeBron's a lot better from 3, either.  Remember, when Jordan came into the league the 3-point shot was still a bit of a novelty and his career stats are hurt by the first four years when he wasn't taking the shot much and was in the teens, percentage-wise.  From '88 to '97 he shot .365, a percentage that Bron hasn't managed to match during a full season yet.  Plus he took better care of the ball and surprisingly got more offensive rebounds than Bron.

It shouldn't be surprising that MJ has some statistical advantages.  They match up pretty evenly in PER so some categories have to balance the others.  I do think that LeBron's the only player to hit Jordanesque levels of production, and he might yet make another leap forward, but he hasn't clearly surpassed Jordan's individual contributions by any means.  If LeBron gets a handful of rings it'll be one of the great barbershop debates of all time, but for now I gotta award the tie to the guy whose whose championships aren't mostly hypothetical.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 11, 2013, 09:41:13 PM
For now I do too?

This is all assuming that we are just now seeing what LeBron's peak is (but then again, given the improvement we've seen since 2010, he could yet get better. It's just hard to see where).

Being good at mid-range shooting is the flipside of the '3pt shot was not important back then' argument. The mid-range shot is justly reviled today as inefficient so being good at it is a 'world's tallest dwarf'-type achievement. LeBron is best at what the modern game demands, and there is no reason to think that someone with his height, elevation and accuracy from deep would not beat Jordan in mid-range shooting if that's what he'd worked on instead of getting to the rim and getting open corner 3s for teammates. Again, he's still 27, and HIS career %s were dragged down by playing a man's game at 18, while Jordan was in college.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 11, 2013, 09:58:02 PM
I think that Bron's persistently lower FT% is an indication that MJ was just going to be better from that range.

Also, the Jordan Rules weren't just "hit him really hard, but otherwise let him go 1 on 1."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLv2F33snCE
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 11, 2013, 09:59:39 PM
ok, let's talk PER. MJ leads LeBron by a fraction of a % right now, which is actually pretty significant at that level of PER. But still, he is by far the post-MJ king of PER, and only MJ is even a hair in front of him. MJ has 4 30+ PER seasons, which are the seasons people are really talking about in GOAT discussions, rather than the 'amazing for anybody else, average for MJ' seasons.

but LeBron has 3 of those ALREADY, before his supposed peak years (which are arguable, given he started early. but anyway. It's tough to be sure because he is so durable, and gives the impression he will never age or get hurt). So isn't a total of 6-7 30+ PER seasons on the cards here? Sure, it's theoretical but we are only a few posts away from someone bringing up MJ's theoretical performance during the baseball years ;)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 11, 2013, 10:08:30 PM
In Jordan's "off" year he saved the planet Earth by beating a team of 8 foot tall, roided-up aliens, carrying a roster so thin that Daffy Duck and Bill Murray both got significant minutes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 11, 2013, 10:09:21 PM
....


alright defend his fashion choices then i dare you
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 11, 2013, 10:15:36 PM
but lebron's a douche so who cares
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2013, 10:17:05 PM
fucking nerds...
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 11, 2013, 10:19:00 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2013, 10:17:05 PM
fucking nerds...

sorry if we interrupted your SCII tournament livestream with our sports talk there
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2013, 10:28:43 PM
touche :rofl

I'd need to see LeBron dominate in the playoffs, specifically the finals, more before contemplating him being better than Jordan.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 11, 2013, 10:38:59 PM
you might want to watch this thing called 'television'in June then
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 11, 2013, 10:43:14 PM
I do think it's fair to hold LeBron's no-shows against Boston and Dallas against him. Even if the former was motivated by wanting out of the Cavs, it is a black mark against him in any GOAT discussions. Vs Dallas, I think the Heat were mostly just tired and out-coached. It was still a below-par outing for LeBron for sure. But would be SHOCKED if that is repeated any time soon.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 11, 2013, 10:43:23 PM
Maurice, just youtube some of the highlights of Lebron in the playoffs last year.  He dominated almost every single game he played.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 11, 2013, 10:44:05 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2013, 10:28:43 PM
touche :rofl

I'd need to see LeBron dominate in the playoffs, specifically the finals, more before contemplating him being better than Jordan.

Either you're posting from the past or I'm posting from the future.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 11, 2013, 10:44:55 PM
how soon we forget

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-VzBeOrdAg
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 11, 2013, 10:44:58 PM
Mandark...I fucking knew it!!! :ninja
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 11, 2013, 10:45:27 PM
dammit that was LITERALLY the game highlights I was just about to link
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 11, 2013, 10:53:21 PM
i attribute my success to my superior implementation of the paleo diet and my strict fitness routine
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 11, 2013, 10:53:33 PM
and being a better person
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 11, 2013, 10:59:17 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 11, 2013, 09:10:40 PM
We're at the interesting bit of LeBron's career, where everyone can see the utter terrorism he is about to inflict over the next 3-4 years of his projected 'peak'

Most players peak somewhere around 26, at least according to PER (Malone is a major exception). Pretty sure I made a post about it years ago on this forum.
RE: PER and Jordan. He missed two of his near-prime seasons (PER before and after his baseball stint was at 29). In his late 30s (38-40) he had two seasons in which his PER was around 20, eight below his career average. Though, in fairness, LeBron had a PER of 18.3 as a teen rookie.

1.    Wilt Chamberlain*   31.84    1962-63    SFW
2.    Wilt Chamberlain*   31.76    1961-62    PHW
3.    Michael Jordan*   31.71    1987-88    CHI
4.    LeBron James   31.67    2008-09    CLE
5.    Wilt Chamberlain*   31.64    1963-64    SFW
6.    Michael Jordan*   31.63    1990-91    CHI
7.    Michael Jordan*   31.19    1989-90    CHI
8.    Michael Jordan*   31.14    1988-89    CHI
9.    LeBron James   31.11    2009-10    CLE
10.    LeBron James   30.74    2011-12    MIA
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 11, 2013, 10:59:24 PM
You'll get no disagreement there from me cormac!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 11, 2013, 11:03:12 PM
(http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site568/2013/0211/20130211_052547_jersey_02112013.jpg)
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When you launch something as innovative as this -- that will change the way the players look on the court and the way the fans support the team forever -- why not launch it in the most innovative part of the United States?
(http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site568/2013/0211/20130211_104626_gswbarnesjersey_300.jpg)
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"We didn't do this for the sales," Welts said. "This is all about the image of the franchise and being forward."
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 11, 2013, 11:06:43 PM
I like it.  Too close to lakers colors but I like the design a lot.  I wonder how comfortable that is.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 11, 2013, 11:09:48 PM
covers up more tatts!

also, you guys didn't disappoint on bringing up Jordan's theoretical baseball years PER :bow
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on February 11, 2013, 11:13:50 PM
Jersey t-shirts. GTFO
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 11, 2013, 11:14:06 PM
You've already given LeBron a bunch of theoretical championships!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 11, 2013, 11:17:18 PM
well, i'm assuming them. You can certainly discount them if you have a better theory about who is gonna win them with him playing like this!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 11, 2013, 11:22:04 PM
I think that jersey looks awful. I think the shoulders look on an nba jersey looks really lame.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 11, 2013, 11:22:22 PM
Another ding to LeBron's legacy will be when someone signs Norris Cole to a multi-year contract.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 11, 2013, 11:32:55 PM
By that logic, who woulda beat Jordan?

And I expect LeBron to collect more rings, but I wouldn't be shocked if he falls short of that.  Championships are hard, and last year's Heat were down 2-1 to the Pacers and 3-2 to the Celtics.  I hope folks appreciate what LeBron did last year for its own merit rather than think of it as having to be the first step into greatness.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2013, 11:34:19 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 11, 2013, 10:43:23 PM
Maurice, just youtube some of the highlights of Lebron in the playoffs last year.  He dominated almost every single game he played.

I know, I did watch last year. I'm just saying I'd need to see more of...that in the next couple years.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 12, 2013, 12:03:46 AM
I don't think LeBron has to take any additional steps to become the greatest; I just think he needs to continue the current dominance. It's totally possible that he won't do so, but there isn't any real reason you can point to right now to doubt that he will. I mean, he could leave for LA in 2014 and maybe miss out on any more rings as a worst-case scenario, but he'd still continue to dominate statistically as long as he remains healthy. Now that he has won a championship, the average dude is much more likely to cut him slack for not winning rings if say, Wade gets hurt or falls off a cliff or whatever.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 12, 2013, 12:17:58 AM
like, dude, he has to win three more to be even be in the same CONVERSATION as kobe
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 12, 2013, 12:20:30 AM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on February 11, 2013, 10:59:17 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 11, 2013, 09:10:40 PM
We're at the interesting bit of LeBron's career, where everyone can see the utter terrorism he is about to inflict over the next 3-4 years of his projected 'peak'

Most players peak somewhere around 26, at least according to PER (Malone is a major exception). Pretty sure I made a post about it years ago on this forum.
RE: PER and Jordan. He missed two of his near-prime seasons (PER before and after his baseball stint was at 29). In his late 30s (38-40) he had two seasons in which his PER was around 20, eight below his career average. Though, in fairness, LeBron had a PER of 18.3 as a teen rookie.

1.    Wilt Chamberlain*   31.84    1962-63    SFW
2.    Wilt Chamberlain*   31.76    1961-62    PHW
3.    Michael Jordan*   31.71    1987-88    CHI
4.    LeBron James   31.67    2008-09    CLE
5.    Wilt Chamberlain*   31.64    1963-64    SFW
6.    Michael Jordan*   31.63    1990-91    CHI
7.    Michael Jordan*   31.19    1989-90    CHI
8.    Michael Jordan*   31.14    1988-89    CHI
9.    LeBron James   31.11    2009-10    CLE
10.    LeBron James   30.74    2011-12    MIA

How's Kobe even in any conversation for GOAT?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 12, 2013, 12:22:11 AM
Five rings, totally not a douchebag
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 12, 2013, 12:37:59 AM
Flannel Boy -

I thought I addressed their respective PEAK PERs pretty specifically, since those are what differentiate those who belong in the GOAT discussion. No-one cares how many high PER years Karl Malone has; he's never going to be in the transcendent category.

Obviously I'm making some assumptions but I'm not guilty of assuming BETTER performance or an upward trend from here. But we've had a whole season (to date) of LeBron shooting FAR better than ever before. It's no longer a hot streak. He may not get better from here, but he has gotten substantially better in the last year. I think this is what his peak looks like, and if it continues for another 4 full seasons after this? Oh hell yes, it will be a conversation. I'm saying: Get on the bandwagon early! :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 12, 2013, 01:06:38 AM
Jordan's best seasons by PER

AGE and PER
24 31.7
27 31.6    
26 31.2    
25 31.1    
23 29.8    
Average 31.1. Note: no age over 27

LeBron's best seasons by PER

AGE and PER
24    31.7    
25    31.1
28    30.9    
27    30.7    
23    29.1    
Average 30.7
edit:
Kobe's best seasons by PER
AGE and PER
27 28.0
24 26.2
28  26.1
22  24.5
30  24.4    
Average 25.8

edit 2
Dirk's best seasons by PER
AGE and PER
27 28.1
28 27.6    
26 26.1
24 25.6    
29 24.6    
Average: 26.4
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 12, 2013, 01:08:14 AM
Lebron jumping over the Jumpman in the shoe game as well?

http://www.nicekicks.com/2013/01/lebron-legacy-what-might-be-said-about-the-lebron-line-in-10-years/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 12, 2013, 01:08:52 AM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on February 12, 2013, 01:06:38 AM
Jordan's best seasons by PER

AGE and PER
24 31.7
27 31.6    
26 31.2    
25 31.1    
23 29.8    
Average 31.1. Note: no age over 72

As one would expect.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 12, 2013, 01:19:56 AM
Much better argument for Kareem if you use Win Shares (completely destroys Kobe's though):

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ws_season.html



Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 12, 2013, 01:23:10 AM
Flannel Boy -

LeBron is 27 and counting right now and, as I said, has just made a huge stonking improvement vs his career shooting %s, so I think we can forget about it being impossible to get a PER of 31 over that age or whatever point it is you're trying to make. Jordan is literally the only other person who did it so this is the very definition of small sample size.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 12, 2013, 01:24:09 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on February 12, 2013, 01:21:54 AM
Right, Chauncey Billups in 05-06 was a more valuable player than Kobe Bryant in 05-06.  :lol

Yeah, it was the year BEFORE that that he beat Kobe in the Finals
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 12, 2013, 01:34:16 AM
ok, look - let's see if we can agree on this:

If LeBron is ever to tie or dethrone Jordan in the GOAT stakes, it will likely be because of what is happening on a nightly basis on your TV screens RIGHT NOW and you'd be foolish to miss it because of The Decision or whatever else. Don't be that guy lying to your grandkids that you were there when it happened. Plenty of people wrote off Jordan for years after he was lighting up the league, saying he'll never 'get it' like Larry or Magic and oh how wrong they were

Same goes for Durant obviously - he hasn't done shit in real terms but surely we can discuss his prospects sensibly
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 12, 2013, 01:48:48 AM
I don't think anyone here is too curmudgeonly to appreciate LeBron.  Well, except AWESOME-O and PD.

Just saying that if LeBron keeps playing at roughly this level, it'd put him about on par with MJ, rather than putting any significant distance between the two.  Which in itself is still fairly mind-boggling.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 12, 2013, 01:54:58 AM
anytime someone's argument on greatness is based solely on rings and clutch ability, he doesn't know shit about basketball
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 12, 2013, 01:57:30 AM
yep.

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even though LeBron is statistically the most clutch player in the last few seasons :teehee
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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 12, 2013, 01:59:58 AM
Quote from: Mandark on February 12, 2013, 01:48:48 AM
I don't think anyone here is too curmudgeonly to appreciate LeBron.  Well, except AWESOME-O and PD.

Just saying that if LeBron keeps playing at roughly this level, it'd put him about on par with MJ, rather than putting any significant distance between the two.  Which in itself is still fairly mind-boggling.

this is entirely reasonable. I guess it is impossible for him to retire the UNQUESTIONED GOAT, but I'm betting it will be a real long, hard conversation by that point.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 12, 2013, 02:07:34 AM
He probably handles the ball too much but bringing that turnover rate below ten is one way he could start to really solidify his case statistically. Kobe was never really able to do it. McGrady's the only guy of recent vintage to flash that kind of scary possibility.

I've never got the impression that LeBron will ever have that complete singular obsession that Jordan and Kobe do, but he seems fine with that. Similar to another name (and demigod like physical specimen) up there in Wilt.

As mentioned, Durant at least gives him a legitimate rival to go against. Unlike Jordan and Kobe.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 12, 2013, 02:13:13 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 12, 2013, 01:54:58 AM
anytime someone's argument on greatness is based solely on rings and clutch ability, he doesn't know shit about basketball

Very true.

It's a mix of a lot of stuff. The effect someone had on the game. Their stats, their titles, and on and on and on.

Plus history has a way of changing things or hardening opinions. Basically Lebron needs to win more titles before the conversation becomes interesting. And some of it depends on how Durant develops and how he wins and how their rivalry develops.

If Lebron wins 3 titles he will probably go down as a great player but not the greatest. If he wins 4 or 5 titles then it probably becomes a pretty common barbershop discussion/argument although some people will always only look at titles.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 12, 2013, 02:28:39 AM
YES A HEARTLESS MONSTER

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/b82de8914ec8f690c318f2257e6fda41/tumblr_mh8u8wonum1rd11tco2_r1_250.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 12, 2013, 02:30:09 AM
not to mention this, from the game I've got on now

http://allball.blogs.nba.com/2013/02/08/lebron-thrills-another-fan/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 12, 2013, 02:37:54 AM
It's always hard to separate out personal feelings, and stats, and rings, etc.

I was talking to my brother recently who is one of those old school everything was better in the past types on pretty much everything. So he was telling me, he got into an argument with somebody about who was better. Shaq or Hakeem. Now my brother is a bit of a Shaq hater and with his bias against a lot of modern players its no surprise where he stands. I told him I could see somebody going either way. Personally I would go with Hakeem but it would be close still.

Now logically I can look at PER and see that Shaq has the 3rd highest per ever compared to 16 for Olajuawon. And he won 4 titles to the Dream's 2. But there is something strong in my personal memories of just falling in love with the Dream when he won those two titles. He was such a skillful and graceful player that I just fell in love with his game. My brain can logically say that Shaq was the more dominant player. But my heart will always say that Hakeem was the best center I ever saw play. (Not to mention he destroyed the #4 career per player David Robinson when they met up). I think that is what is fun about sports. It's more than just stats.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 12, 2013, 02:39:39 AM
god what a complete douchebag

he needs to man up and just rape someone at this point
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 12, 2013, 02:44:13 AM
I think Hakeem was better because he was quicker and a better blocker, I think.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 12, 2013, 02:51:17 AM
Hakeem destroyed Shaq in the Finals too of course. Then again, Shaq was just a baby back then

I'd rather have peak Shaq on my dream team with a gun to my head if i lost the game than Hakeem though, however more aesthetically pleasing the Dream's game was. Then again, everyone's game was prettier than Shaq.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 12, 2013, 02:53:13 AM
every at least has a better FT motion than shaq.  even my mom.

I've been watching these the last few nights:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF0vQGFpHrs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 12, 2013, 02:56:13 AM
its really crazy how in shape hakeem still is in these videos  :lol

Dream had such wide, elegant footwork.  Lebron's looks short and stiff comparatively
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2013, 03:02:06 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 12, 2013, 01:54:58 AM
anytime someone's argument on greatness is based solely on rings and clutch ability, he doesn't know shit about basketball

I'd say the same about PER but hey, that's just me. LeBron has one ring, no need to rush to conclusions
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 12, 2013, 03:02:46 AM
yeah, you sort of think for a minute, that guy could probably still play! Then you remember his last season (in Toronto IIRC) and are :fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 12, 2013, 03:03:38 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2013, 03:02:06 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 12, 2013, 01:54:58 AM
anytime someone's argument on greatness is based solely on rings and clutch ability, he doesn't know shit about basketball

I'd say the same about PER but hey, that's just me. LeBron has one ring, no need to rush to conclusions

Yeah I know, and Steve Kerr has 5...
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2013, 03:11:57 AM
Not saying rings are the most important thing, or that PER is; I just find it hard to swallow that argument when LeBron has one ring. The slavish stat obsession reminds me of Peyton Manning arguments a few years ago, just saying.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 12, 2013, 03:12:36 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2013, 03:02:06 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 12, 2013, 01:54:58 AM
anytime someone's argument on greatness is based solely on rings and clutch ability, he doesn't know shit about basketball

I'd say the same about PER but hey, that's just me. LeBron has one ring, no need to rush to conclusions

yes that's just you being too lazy again at statistical analysis

you're the Eddy Curry of sports discussion
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 12, 2013, 03:13:22 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2013, 03:11:57 AM
Not saying rings are the most important thing, or that PER is; I just find it hard to swallow that argument when LeBron has one ring. The slavish stat obsession reminds me of Peyton Manning arguments a few years ago, just saying.

Peyton has mediocre to garbage stats in the playoffs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 12, 2013, 03:14:25 AM
Toni Kukoc has three, also.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 12, 2013, 03:14:56 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2013, 03:11:57 AM
Not saying rings are the most important thing, or that PER is; I just find it hard to swallow that argument when LeBron has one ring. The slavish stat obsession reminds me of Peyton Manning arguments a few years ago, just saying.

Slavish stat obsession? Fuck you, I watch like 3 games a day :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2013, 03:21:13 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 12, 2013, 03:13:22 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2013, 03:11:57 AM
Not saying rings are the most important thing, or that PER is; I just find it hard to swallow that argument when LeBron has one ring. The slavish stat obsession reminds me of Peyton Manning arguments a few years ago, just saying.

Peyton has mediocre to garbage stats in the playoffs

My point. Regular season wise he might be the greatest QB ever, based on his stats/performance. We don't know how LeBron's career will play out; maybe he'll continue to dominate regular seasons but disappear in the playoffs. I'm just saying it's premature to crown his ass based on one imperfect stat.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 12, 2013, 03:22:44 AM
But Lebron has great playoffs stats
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 12, 2013, 03:33:39 AM
PD has poor playoff stats
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 12, 2013, 03:35:26 AM
it won't fucking matter anyway, Peyton will still go down as the probably the best QB in history, SB rings or not (oh btw, he has a SB ring).  One of the reason's why he only has one?  All his playoff teams other than his SB season had atrocious defenses.  Football is truly a team game, where the biggest stars still depend on the people around them.  Basketball is like that as well, but the stars are the ones the make the most happen.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2013, 03:46:25 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 12, 2013, 03:22:44 AM
But Lebron has great playoffs stats

True as I said, my point was just that I want to see how things go over the next couple years; things change.

Manning may have had spotty defenses but he fucked the Colts (and Broncos this year) with poor play in big games. Although I do think Fox was largely to blame for this year's fail.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 12, 2013, 03:52:28 AM
 ???

Peyton had a decent game against the Ravens.  65 percent completion percentage, 3 touchdowns, and one REAL interception.  The other earlier one was a bad tip by...I think Stokley?  Or Thomas, I forget.

Peyton's playoff stats have always been decent to good.  It's usually his defense that fails him.  Although to be fair to the Broncos D, that game should've ended like three times before double overtime happened.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2013, 03:59:31 AM
He looked pretty bad in that fourth quarter. His last few passes looked like his arm was dead. Can't be down about losing to the eventual champs, although Fox did fuck shit up
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 12, 2013, 04:05:39 AM
If you know anything about Peyton, his passes are 95% of the time pinpoint and exactly where they are supposed to be, unless there's pressure, and in that case Peyton just flops like a dead fish.  I think the pressure combined with some bad coaching and bad routes made Pey Pey look bad.  It's not rare, it happened a lot under Dungy as well.  Dungy was a pretty awful high-pressure coach.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2013, 04:09:51 AM
The routes were fine and while the pressure was heavy that doesn't explain him under throwing constantly. He looked very off towards the end. Not denying he's a great QB of course
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 12, 2013, 07:52:21 AM
Manning's post-season QB rating is one point higher than Brady's. It would make sense that their stats would go down in the post-season as they're usually not facing any crappy teams. Plus some of the outdoor games that time of year can be brutal

Montana's already high QB rating, especially for a QB playing in the 80s, went up in the playoffs. GOAT.


Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 12, 2013, 01:23:10 AM
Flannel Boy -

LeBron is 27 and counting right now
28! :drake
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 12, 2013, 08:28:05 AM
The problem with Manning is that when he was bad in a playoffs game, he was really bad.  Manning's 1 pt advantage is due to having some spectacular games but I think most teams would take Brady's consistency.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 12, 2013, 10:27:36 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 12, 2013, 08:28:05 AM
The problem with Manning is that when he was bad in a playoffs game, he was really bad.  Manning's 1 pt advantage is due to having some spectacular games but I think most teams would take Brady's consistency.

That's not really true.  Brady's got six postseason games over a 110 rating, and five that are sub-70.

Anyway, as always PD's just being a hater like always.  Instead of paying attention to his prematurely old-man grousing, y'all should read Bill Barnwell's reversal of Tom Brady's career (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8864682/bill-barnwell-conference-championships) if you haven't already.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 12, 2013, 12:26:27 PM
Tom Brady is much, much better looking than Manning. QED
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 12, 2013, 12:36:24 PM
This, naturally, reminds me of the "Dirk finally learned to win" meme.

Season, Age, PER
2008-09 30 28.4
2009-10 31 28.3
2003-04 25 27.5
2005-06 27 26.8 (loser)
2007-08 29 26.3
2010-11 32 25.2 (winner)
2001-02 23 24.8
2002-03 24 23.2
2011-12 33 22.5 .
2000-01 22 22.3
2006-07 28 20.9
2004-05 26 20.1 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on February 12, 2013, 12:39:55 PM
I don't understand any of these stats or how they're calculated. PER, player rating, +/-, etc. Someone point me to a site that makes sense of them plz.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 12, 2013, 12:58:12 PM
Quote from: Beezy on February 12, 2013, 12:39:55 PM
I don't understand any of these stats or how they're calculated. PER, player rating, +/-, etc. Someone point me to a site that makes sense of them plz.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/per.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 12, 2013, 01:38:15 PM
PER's a composite of all the standard box score stats.  You get rewarded for points, rebounds, assists, etc. and penalized for missed shots and turnovers.  It's calculated on a per-possession basis (so you don't get a higher PER by playing more minutes or playing on a team that runs up and down the court, inflating stats like a Don Nelson team).  It's set so that 15 is the average.  Around 20 you get into All Star consideration, 25 MVP.

It's good as a rough measure of the big, visible contributions a player makes, especially for offense/rebounding.  Plus the way it's calculated doesn't reward players who score an empty 18 points a game while playing 40 minutes and shooting a low percentage.  Think of it as a quick-and-dirty estimate for how a player's doing, as a replacement for the old per-game points/rebounds/assists line.


+/- is just how many points a player's team outscores its opponent while he's on the floor.  +5, then his team "won" by 5 points while he was in the game, -7 means they scored 7 fewer than the opponents, etc.  There are various formulas that compare +/- for when a player's in the game vs. when he's on the bench, sometimes trying to take opponents and teammates into account.  That can get complicated quick.


My favorite "advanced" stat is True Shooting percentage.  It's comparable to FG%, only TS% takes three-pointers and free throws into account.  So it's just an improved measure of a player's scoring percentage when they take a "shot" (quotes since it includes drawing a foul as a shot attempt).
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on February 12, 2013, 01:46:36 PM
Thanks guys. I've only been a basketball fiend for like 2-3 years now. Wow at the formula at that link...
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 12, 2013, 07:39:45 PM
Yeah, drawing a foul counting as a shot is one of the big areas for improvement. Not to beat the drum unduly but at one point in that Clips game, the announcers mentioned that LeBron had hit 10 of 11 shots while replaying the one he 'missed' - he got clubbed by 3 guys 3ft from the rim and shot FTs. Steve Novak's TS% OTOH doesn't take that hit because he is never within 15 feet of the basket :lol

The other of course is assists that lead to FTs. Or as Bill Simmons likes to call it, the Bird. The Sports VU camera systems should give us a much better handle on both of these...Tom Haberstroh and Zach Lowe have had fascinating pieces about the implications already. Craziest stat so far - James Harden turns it over just 4% of the time when he drives. FOUR PERCENT. When you watch him, he's usually going through a crowd, straight to the hoop. Fucking crazy that he doesn't get stripped at least 20% of the time
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 12, 2013, 07:52:22 PM
Holy shit, four percent?

Damn.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 12, 2013, 07:55:47 PM
Here's an old old summary of some stats from Kevin Pelton who used to work for the Sonics, now BasketballProspectus and ESPN Insider: http://www.nba.com/thunder/news/stats101.html

Mandark's PER explanation is good enough for conceptually understanding it. Although I should note that it's calculated on a per-minute basis not per-possession, and because of this, as long as you shoot something like 36% or higher, the more you shoot, the more your PER goes up. (And because it uses team estimates it's "less accurate" than it could be, which is easy to fix like I have by using 82games' data.)

Before he went to ESPN Hollinger used to stress it being a "quick rough summary" more than an end-all measure and that a lot of its value was in being able to see players who score higher than you expect (since 15 is always the league average) or come off the bench (Michael Redd, Andrei Kirilenko, Zach Randolph, etc.) vs. guys who play gobs of minutes (Latrell Sprewell, Steve Francis, Cuttino Mobley, etc.) and then it was upon you to investigate further about the WHY this is. ESPN has been kinda promoting it more as a definitive score for a player.

If you like the PER formula, you'll love Oliver's offensive/defensive ratings or Rosenbaum's adjusted plus/minus (http://www.82games.com/comm30.htm).

A lot of the percentage stats like rebound percentage, steal percentage, etc. are attempts to adjust for the amount of possible attempts. For example, if there's a hundred missed shots in a game and I grab 15 rebounds that's different than if there's only eighty and I grab 15. This is one reason you'll never see anyone in the modern game approach Wilt and Russell's 20+ rebounds per game because there were like 120+ possessions in a game, whereas today there's generally 90-100. Which is why despite never cracking the 20 rebound per game barrier, Rodman has something like seven of the nine best rebounding seasons in history because he was grabbing far more of the available rebounds, even if the total number was less.

The above mentioned TS% is similar, like eFG% in that it acknowledges that all shots are not equal, some are worth two, some three, and in TS%' case there's FT's.

Most of this is an attempt to strip out the "noise" to get closer to the actual "value." If you look at just the scoring totals for example that tells you more about how many games* a player played. So you go down to per game, which really tells you more about how many minutes they played. So you go down to per minute. (The 36 or 40 or 48 is just to make it look "nicer" and be more understandable...when you say "if someone played starter minutes they'd get 20 points" vs. "they get .556 points per minute!") And then the possession stuff is to go down to another level. Kobe might get 30 points but use 40 possessions, while Kyle Korver gets 10 but uses 5. (The value of usage argument is a whole separate thing.)

ORtg and DRtg are basically just saying this is how many points a player produces per possession and how many he "gives up" per possession.

Usage Rate (Usg%) is what % of a teams possessions the player uses while he's on the court. So you have the "stars" like LeBron, Kobe, Melo, etc. using 30+% and guys like Reggie Evans using something closer to 5%.

Win Shares (WS on B-R, there are other "versions" of this same concept like WARP, Wins Produced, etc.) are just attempts to distribute wins to the players based on how much "credit" they deserve. WS/48 is just divided by minutes times 48 so to see who contributes the most per minute.

There's others but I think those are most everything on B-R and I probably shouldn't start pulling out my files.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 12, 2013, 07:55:55 PM
Well, of course he does get stripped but they are accounting for fouls so...

Also, it's like I summoned this into being:
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8939726/coast-coast-comparing-lebron-james-michael-jordan
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 12, 2013, 08:10:05 PM
I wonder if Corey Maggette had similar figures during his "prime" considering how much he went to the line.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 12, 2013, 08:24:56 PM
Harden is also getting 5.7 assists and 26pts a game while shooting from distance at a reasonable clip so we can probably dispense with the Maggette comparisons
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 12, 2013, 08:25:25 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 12, 2013, 07:55:55 PM
Well, of course he does get stripped but they are accounting for fouls so...

Also, it's like I summoned this into being:
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8939726/coast-coast-comparing-lebron-james-michael-jordan

that's the first thing I thought when I saw this earlier today
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 12, 2013, 08:27:58 PM
so yeah, it's a conversation. Nobody is exactly going out on a limb but it is a conversation. Man, I hope KD is reading all this and just going Super Saiyan
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 12, 2013, 08:29:57 PM
Dude'll have his time.  It's coming.  Durant dropping 50 the other week is...well, amazing.

I love watching Durant.  Not as strong or as aggressive as Lebron obviously, but his shots are so pretty.  Lebron's jumpers almost always look like line-drives to me
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 12, 2013, 08:34:28 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 12, 2013, 08:24:56 PM
Harden is also getting 5.7 assists and 26pts a game while shooting from distance at a reasonable clip so we can probably dispense with the Maggette comparisons
The only regard in which I compared him to Maggette was in the mention of Harden's low turnover rate when driving, which you said is due to his getting fouled. Since Maggette's overall turnover rate was not worse than Harden's and he drew fouls at an even better overall rate over a multiple-year span (probably the best of perimeter players, and one of the best overall, in modern history) I was just wondering aloud if he might have posted a similar minuscule turnover rate when driving. He is one of the few players, along with possibly Wade and LeBron pre-teaming up, who I could see having that "perfect storm" of significant number forays to the basket + high foul drawing + extra-strength for his position.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 12, 2013, 08:38:46 PM
yeah i know but he's also a hopeless one-dimensional ball hog which Harden is absolutely not. Maggette lacks Harden's handle, and left-handedness too, so I'm pretty confident his turnovers would be a lot higher
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 12, 2013, 08:40:55 PM
Harden's major skill in that situation is being able to keep his dribble alive in traffic even with the ball at arm's length in front of him, which he does to invite a swipe and draw a foul. He is pretty strong and can take contact but not to the extent Maggette or LeBron can. He also lacks elite speed but again makes up for it with the crazy lefty handle that seems to let him line-drive at the rim at will.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 12, 2013, 08:45:58 PM
only posting 'cause League Pass doesn't seem to have any games actually showing today FML
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Bacchus7 on February 12, 2013, 08:49:52 PM
ITT: It takes a dick to rape someone, not a douche.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 12, 2013, 09:03:06 PM
Quote from: Bacchus7 on February 12, 2013, 08:49:52 PM
ITT: It takes a dick to rape someone, not a douche.
A douche is someone who tea-bags a bro while he's sleeping. Learn the diff, yo.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 12, 2013, 09:56:23 PM
Jesus, Lebron is going 11 of 15 tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 12, 2013, 09:57:05 PM
goddamn
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 12, 2013, 10:16:42 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/kevin-durant-sometimes-doesn-t-want-chuck-low-220357263--nba.html

 :lol

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 12, 2013, 10:21:08 PM
it's pretty obvious but i think the coach should just put in D-Leagues for those heaves. It's a low percentage but you get 2-4 of them per game, more with OT. And they're fun!

Henry Abbott did a Hoop Idea on how to fix it I think...probably all you have to do is just not record that as a shot attempt unless it goes in
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 12, 2013, 10:24:57 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 12, 2013, 07:39:45 PM
Yeah, drawing a foul counting as a shot is one of the big areas for improvement. Not to beat the drum unduly but at one point in that Clips game, the announcers mentioned that LeBron had hit 10 of 11 shots while replaying the one he 'missed' - he got clubbed by 3 guys 3ft from the rim and shot FTs. Steve Novak's TS% OTOH doesn't take that hit because he is never within 15 feet of the basket :lol

Pretty sure missed shots don't show up as FGA's if you're fouled.

I remember reading Hollinger's Pro Basketball Forecast (basically the team and player previews he'd do for Insider, in book form before ESPN picked him up) and instead of TS% the stat was listed as PPA for Points Per Attempt or something like that.  They used to put an underrated/breakout candidate player on the cover, so it'd be the one NBA season preview publication that was enticing you to buy with Michael Redd or Elton Brand rather than Kobe or AI.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 12, 2013, 10:31:33 PM
Then I guess the Clippers announcers fucked up. They made a big deal out of it - 'Here's the one he 'missed'!'
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 12, 2013, 10:42:03 PM
I have all four of those, the covers are: Andre Miller (Cavs), Michael Redd (Bucks), Elton Brand (Clippers) though he is posting up Yao, and it's only the last one with Amare on it that has any kind of big name player. (And even that was just after the first Nash Suns season.) Hollinger was the one in charge of picking the cover players. :lol

I think every single one has a complaint about Elton Brand being snubbed from the All-Star Roster.

He had PSA the first two years, but he changed to TS% (which is the same formula just divided by two) because the stats community was trying to standardize a lot of stuff*, it's also why he did per 40 minutes (I believe he used to do per 48 on his site, though not in the books) though they eventually changed to per 36. His Assist Rate is the one thing he wouldn't change, so it didn't match the B-R one. I think everyone eventually agreed to call his Rate and the other one %.

*I don't know if it's been rescued from the cache/wayback machine but there was a long argument over PSA style vs. TS% because "making it look like a percentage isn't accurate descriptively" vs. "it'll help people who know FG% understand it."

EDIT: Little side note about TS%/PSA/eFG%, it can be traced back in one respect to Rick Barry. He thought it unfair that big men had higher FG%'s despite the fact that many of his baskets were worth three points, and plus the fact he made all his free throws. So he started adding the extra point (or half FGM) for his threes at least.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 13, 2013, 12:08:50 AM
keep saying it, someone will eventually agree with you i guess
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 13, 2013, 12:49:51 AM
Quote
Under orders from LeBron, the Heat now takes the court every pregame to Drake's "Started From the Bottom."
douche alert
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2013, 01:11:59 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 13, 2013, 12:49:51 AM
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Under orders from LeBron, the Heat now takes the court every pregame to Drake's "Started From the Bottom."
douche alert

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLXb9bYagIk
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2013, 01:44:30 PM
Side note I guess but Nerlens Noel, who was probably going to be either the top NBA draft pick or within the top 3, had a pretty horrible knee injury last night
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No word from the MRI yet but I can't help but think he'll definitely be out for the season, and may decide to go back to school now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on February 13, 2013, 01:48:33 PM
This is why we need to do away with college ball for the best players.  Why the fuck should that guy risk millions of dollars so old white don't tut-tut about him going to college?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2013, 02:00:47 PM
Confirmed: torn ACL, out for season. Wow
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on February 13, 2013, 02:05:58 PM
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 13, 2013, 02:10:19 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on February 13, 2013, 01:48:33 PM
This is why we need to do away with college ball for the best players.  Why the fuck should that guy risk millions of dollars so old white don't tut-tut about him going to college?

That's one of the few things in sports that legit rustles my jimmies.

Few years ago a Maryland player was considering leaving before his senior year, and a 50ish guy I know was ranting about it.  He's a UMD alum so of course he wanted the player to stay.  But instead of "man, it would suck if he leaves" he was going off on how stupid the kid would be to go pro and how he obviously didn't understand the benefits of college coaching, etc.  Just the most blithe, entitled bullshit.  Gah.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2013, 02:11:45 PM
Kobe wouldn't be a dick if he went to Duke as planned. He'd just be another cornball brother
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 13, 2013, 02:33:36 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 13, 2013, 02:10:19 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on February 13, 2013, 01:48:33 PM
This is why we need to do away with college ball for the best players.  Why the fuck should that guy risk millions of dollars so old white don't tut-tut about him going to college?

That's one of the few things in sports that legit rustles my jimmies.

Few years ago a Maryland player was considering leaving before his senior year, and a 50ish guy I know was ranting about it.  He's a UMD alum so of course he wanted the player to stay.  But instead of "man, it would suck if he leaves" he was going off on how stupid the kid would be to go pro and how he obviously didn't understand the benefits of college coaching, etc.  Just the most blithe, entitled bullshit.  Gah.
It's all about the interests of the NBA (don't have to pay to develop 18 year-olds), the NCAA (don't want to miss out on the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$), and NCAA fans (don't want to miss out on the best players)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2013, 02:57:21 PM
I don't have the ESPN Insider pass  but Chad Ford is saying he's talked to multiple NBA execs who say they'd still take him #1 this year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 13, 2013, 03:04:09 PM
Kevin Johnson's weekly press conference of nothing is hilarious. If you have something, say it. Stop with this "we got walez yo" weekly stuff, it just makes it appear as if you're delaying the inevitable.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2013, 05:48:37 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on February 13, 2013, 01:48:33 PM
This is why we need to do away with college ball for the best players.  Why the fuck should that guy risk millions of dollars so old white don't tut-tut about him going to college?

But how do we determine who can bypass college and who can't? There are some cases like LeBron, who clearly was NBA ready physically; at the same time, Kwame Brown was NBA ready physically too, but in hindsight it's clear he would have benefited from a year in college. For instance this year, Shabazz Muhammad was probably ready for the NBA last year but there are tons of worse guys with similar builds and similar high school success who could make the same argument so the question becomes how do you separate the real deals from the guys who need to go to college. Perhaps Stern should create some type of Commission Of Basketball Lords who will   separate the men from the boys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X4Yk9xwu7Y). Just ban Dickie V and Skip Bayless from membership.

I was talking to my uncle about this last month. Jabari Parker is going to Duke next year, but is arguably the best high school player since LeBron. Should he be allowed to enter the NBA if he wanted? I'm not sure.

Then on the football side of things you have Jadeveon Clowney who could start on half the NFL teams right now, but has to go back to South Carolina for one more year - after seeing his teammate Marcus Lattimore's NFL career likely ended before it began due to a freak knee injury. Clowney is like LeBron in the sense that everyone recognizes he can go pro right now, regardless of rules, but those types of no question talents are rather rare.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on February 13, 2013, 05:54:29 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2013, 05:48:37 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on February 13, 2013, 01:48:33 PM
This is why we need to do away with college ball for the best players.  Why the fuck should that guy risk millions of dollars so old white don't tut-tut about him going to college?


I was talking to my uncle about this last month. Jabari Parker is going to Duke next year, but is arguably the best high school player since LeBron. Should he be allowed to enter the NBA if he wanted? I'm not sure.

Let the NBA teams decide if someone is ready or not.  They don't have to select someone if they don't have to, and a lot of folks will be going to college regardless. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 13, 2013, 06:01:31 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2013, 05:48:37 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on February 13, 2013, 01:48:33 PM
This is why we need to do away with college ball for the best players.  Why the fuck should that guy risk millions of dollars so old white don't tut-tut about him going to college?

But how do we determine who can bypass college and who can't? There are some cases like LeBron, who clearly was NBA ready physically; at the same time, Kwame Brown was NBA ready physically too, but in hindsight it's clear he would have benefited from a year in college. For instance this year, Shabazz Muhammad was probably ready for the NBA last year but there are tons of worse guys with similar builds and similar high school success who could make the same argument so the question becomes how do you separate the real deals from the guys who need to go to college. Perhaps Stern should create some type of Commission Of Basketball Lords who will   separate the men from the boys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X4Yk9xwu7Y). Just ban Dickie V and Skip Bayless from membership.

I was talking to my uncle about this last month. Jabari Parker is going to Duke next year, but is arguably the best high school player since LeBron. Should he be allowed to enter the NBA if he wanted? I'm not sure.

Then on the football side of things you have Jadeveon Clowney who could start on half the NFL teams right now, but has to go back to South Carolina for one more year - after seeing his teammate Marcus Lattimore's NFL career likely ended before it began due to a freak knee injury. Clowney is like LeBron in the sense that everyone recognizes he can go pro right now, regardless of rules, but those types of no question talents are rather rare.

Who appointed the NBA the social welfare arbiters of society. If they are serious about the whole thing then actually develop a proper minor league system that can tutor and help these people to adapt to being an nba professional. Otherwise they are just trying to have it both ways. I hate the double standard here of better do something special with these ghetto kids in basketball that often doesn't exist in other sports. All young people need mentoring in these money situations. And I hate the double standard of the NBA pretending it gives a damn. If it actually gives a damn, then don't pawn it off on college, which is a joke that most of these kids are attending anyway when they could never actually get in, in any normal situation. It's not immoral for a kid to not go to college and its not especially moral for a kid to get a year of college as if that is suddenly preparing them for life.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2013, 06:09:53 PM
Very good point Stoney. I can understand why the NBA would prefer not to have the league crowded another crop of young, inexperienced HS players who were over-hyped and became expensive busts (anyone remember Sebastian Telfair?). But at the same time some guys can obviously play and deserve a shot, plus it's not like the NBA cares whether these guys end up bums or not. It would certainly be interesting if HS players could decide not to go to college and instead go directly to a developmental league where their progress could be measured. Although I am incredibly biased as a college basketball fan, and think college would be the better option for most players.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 13, 2013, 06:18:01 PM
It's frustrating to me that this issue has been going on my entire life and every few years people start talking about it again but no one is willing to actually say the truth so the problem remains the same until its brought up again a few years down the road.

It's a broken system and no one is willing to do anything to try to fix it in a realistic and meaningful way. All they do is adjust the minimum number of college years a player needs every few years as if that's going to solve the whole mess.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 13, 2013, 06:21:56 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2013, 06:09:53 PM
It would certainly be interesting if HS players could decide not to go to college and instead go directly to a developmental league where their progress could be measured.
They can. Latavious Williams played a year in the D-League instead of college. Brandon Jennings and Jeremy Tyler played overseas instead.

NCAA is just a bigger stage to be seen and raise your draft stock. (Williams didn't have the scores for college, Tyler dropped out of high school. Don't remember if Jennings could have gone, he went to Europe for the money in any case.)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 13, 2013, 06:27:05 PM
Given the choice between a decent college and the D-League, I'd take the college every time based on money under the table, visibility and better opportunities for sex and tbh, the sex would be the #1 thing. 1 year of education may be a hassle but you've been in education all your life to that point so it probably doesn't sound bad.

I agree that from an educational standpoint, it's pointless to go to college if you don't commit to getting a degree. Otherwise just go to the library
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2013, 06:30:50 PM
College is the best choice imo, and the best place to prove you're mentally ready for the NBA.

The one-and-done rule does a lot of harm to the NCAA by allowing programs to continually reel in great recruit classes, win, then quickly rebuild after the previous class jumps to the NBA. It invites corruption and blatant rule breaking in terms of tampering, illegal contact with recruits, gifts, etc. And the NCAA turns a blind eye depending on the stature of the coaches and programs involved. Kentucky is clearly cheating and no one gives a shit. And of course when they finally get busted, John Calipari will jump to the NBA or another college team and the kids will lose a year of eligibility after they transfer. So no one truly gets punished but the players, most of whom didn't do anything wrong.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 13, 2013, 06:31:55 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 13, 2013, 06:27:05 PM
Given the choice between a decent college and the D-League, I'd take the college every time based on money under the table, visibility and better opportunities for sex and tbh, the sex would be the #1 thing. 1 year of education may be a hassle but you've been in education all your life to that point so it probably doesn't sound bad.

I agree that from an educational standpoint, it's pointless to go to college if you don't commit to getting a degree. Otherwise just go to the library

I mostly agree. But I think that's mainly because of how the nba treats the d-league currently. I don't really understand why the NBA does that. The D-League could actually be a real thing if the NBA put some money and effort behind it. It makes more sense to put effort in a D-League than the WNBA for instance (I have nothing against the WNBA. I think its actually admirable in most ways)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 13, 2013, 06:33:21 PM
Also, the 'need to mentor the kids before the get paid' line is ridiculous - what about the ones who get the mentoring (of dubious value anyway of course) but don't get paid?

All it is is an extra layer of sorting for most kids. There are a lot less NCAA teams than there are high school teams so it simplifies scouting a lot. It helps out late bloomers and holds back the special talents. But mostly it helps the NCAA and the coaches and the colleges. For the kids who have no shot at the NBA, well, they have a shot at a college degree and a lot of fun. I don't see why letting everyone declare eligibility would mean they couldn't keep getting an education anyway. Just let them continue their degree if not drafted fffs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 13, 2013, 06:35:05 PM
I'm tired reading about this

more lebron talk plz
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2013, 06:45:14 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 13, 2013, 06:33:21 PM
Also, the 'need to mentor the kids before the get paid' line is ridiculous - what about the ones who get the mentoring (of dubious value anyway of course) but don't get paid?

All it is is an extra layer of sorting for most kids. There are a lot less NCAA teams than there are high school teams so it simplifies scouting a lot. It helps out late bloomers and holds back the special talents. But mostly it helps the NCAA and the coaches and the colleges. For the kids who have no shot at the NBA, well, they have a shot at a college degree and a lot of fun. I don't see why letting everyone declare eligibility would mean they couldn't keep getting an education anyway. Just let them continue their degree if not drafted fffs

A lot of them only get into college due to scholarships, which they lose upon leaving the school for the draft. Schools have a limited number of sports scholarships, most can't give them back to someone who fucked up and didn't get drafted. IMO the fix would be to make the NCAA allow those students to re-enter college and be eligible for scholarships at a different university the next school year/semester.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 13, 2013, 07:30:46 PM
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NBA has suspended Orlando's Hedo Turkoglu for 20 games, for violating drug policy. Turkoglu tested positive for methenolone, league says.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metenolone
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 13, 2013, 07:50:37 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2013, 06:45:14 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 13, 2013, 06:33:21 PM
Also, the 'need to mentor the kids before the get paid' line is ridiculous - what about the ones who get the mentoring (of dubious value anyway of course) but don't get paid?

All it is is an extra layer of sorting for most kids. There are a lot less NCAA teams than there are high school teams so it simplifies scouting a lot. It helps out late bloomers and holds back the special talents. But mostly it helps the NCAA and the coaches and the colleges. For the kids who have no shot at the NBA, well, they have a shot at a college degree and a lot of fun. I don't see why letting everyone declare eligibility would mean they couldn't keep getting an education anyway. Just let them continue their degree if not drafted fffs

A lot of them only get into college due to scholarships, which they lose upon leaving the school for the draft. Schools have a limited number of sports scholarships, most can't give them back to someone who fucked up and didn't get drafted. IMO the fix would be to make the NCAA allow those students to re-enter college and be eligible for scholarships at a different university the next school year/semester.

That is only a problem because of the NCAA's own rules, which are self-serving. Your fix is basically the same as mine - have draft eligibility be utterly separate from their college status. If they get drafted, they can go or stay as they please. If not, they can continue the education they were promised (whether via sports scholarship or not). The current system grossly limits their potential.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 13, 2013, 07:59:23 PM
Re: Double Standard.

I think my post from a few hours ago goes to, at least partially, the causes of the double standard (or different standard). The paternalistic justifications are nonsense, so it's reasonable to question the motives of those who advance them. IMHO, The NBA and NFL are motivated by their inability and to create developmental leagues of any quality without serious effort (I should have wrote "laziness"). The media and fans are motivated by their interest in NCAA basketball and football and their general lack of interest in NCAA baseball and hockey.

Baseball and hockey have extensive minor-league systems with long histories. MLB's is well known, so I won't get into that. 

(To develop players, the NHL uses the AHL and the ECHL. Before players are drafted, most, even some players from the US, have already played in leagues unconnected to educational institutions. In Canada [there are teams in the US], the best players in their late teens [some as young as 15] play in the CHL, divided into SIXTY teams playing in three different leagues. The OHL, for example, was formed from the Ontario Hockey Association, a league founded in 1890. The first teams of the league could actually compete for the  Stanley Cup. Although these organizations were not formed by the NHL [and couldn't be formed by the NHL as they predate it], NHL clubs still utilize them.  Though some of these CHL teams rake in the cash the players get nothing except a small stipend [$25-50 a week] and--wait for it--a scholarship. The CHL continues to be utilized even when an NHL team drafts a player. I'm not even going to go into Euro leagues)*

Of course, this is all very circular: these leagues develop young players outside of college because they have the infrastructure, either directly or indirectly (see the CHL). Well--then--the NBA or NFL should build the infrastructure, and then they can develop the players themselves. Of course, the NCAA already does a decent job--the teams are well coached, the games are important and pressure-pact. Are the coaches in the D-league better than the coaches in the NCAA? (The CHL, mentioned in the parenthetical paragraph and now this parenthetical sentence, have teams owned, run, and coached by former NHL players [Roy does, or did, all three at the same time)  and provide better development than the NCAA [Seth Jones, an American phenom expected to go first or second in the draft, plays in the CHL, though for an American team])

This is my explanation for the different standards by the leagues. Why the double standard by the media and by the general public? They like and follow NCAA basketball and NCAA football, and want the best athletes in those sports to go to the NCAA. They don't give a shit, for the most part (NCAA hockey does well in certain North-Eastern markets), about college baseball or hockey. Since they don't care about those collegiate sports, they care or notice that these athletes don't go to college. If a tree fails to go to college in a forest and no one is around to something something.

Addendum: All hockey-related content is in parenthesis, so you don't have to read it. This heads-up probably should be moved to the beginning of the post.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 13, 2013, 08:08:33 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 13, 2013, 07:50:37 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2013, 06:45:14 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 13, 2013, 06:33:21 PM
Also, the 'need to mentor the kids before the get paid' line is ridiculous - what about the ones who get the mentoring (of dubious value anyway of course) but don't get paid?

All it is is an extra layer of sorting for most kids. There are a lot less NCAA teams than there are high school teams so it simplifies scouting a lot. It helps out late bloomers and holds back the special talents. But mostly it helps the NCAA and the coaches and the colleges. For the kids who have no shot at the NBA, well, they have a shot at a college degree and a lot of fun. I don't see why letting everyone declare eligibility would mean they couldn't keep getting an education anyway. Just let them continue their degree if not drafted fffs

A lot of them only get into college due to scholarships, which they lose upon leaving the school for the draft. Schools have a limited number of sports scholarships, most can't give them back to someone who fucked up and didn't get drafted. IMO the fix would be to make the NCAA allow those students to re-enter college and be eligible for scholarships at a different university the next school year/semester.

That is only a problem because of the NCAA's own rules, which are self-serving. Your fix is basically the same as mine - have draft eligibility be utterly separate from their college status. If they get drafted, they can go or stay as they please. If not, they can continue the education they were promised (whether via sports scholarship or not). The current system grossly limits their potential.

This is partially caused by the leagues themselves as the NBA and NFL requires teens to DECLARE for the draft. The NHL has no such requirement, so a player drafted by an NHL club can still go to the NCAA--he didn't actually do anything.

That being said, I endorse your suggestion and it would basically parallel the relationship between the CHL and NHL. The CHL allows a player drafted by an NHL club to return (it's obviously in the teams' best interests).

edit: since players don't have to declare for the nhl draft, this happened: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taro_Tsujimoto
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2013, 08:27:29 PM
I'd argue the NCAA is already a development league for the NFL and it works very well. The high school football machine breeds talent within states and refills college ptograms that often get guys ready for specific pro roles; think Iowa for offensive linemen, Michigan/Ohio State for defensive lines, the south for everything else.

Whereas a lot of great basketball programs are successful with players who aren't NBA talent (Duke busts come to mind), or focus on a play style that doesn't translate well. A development league would definitely help a lot of them get more used to the NBA game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 13, 2013, 10:39:28 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on February 13, 2013, 03:04:09 PM
Kevin Johnson's weekly press conference of nothing is hilarious. If you have something, say it. Stop with this "we got walez yo" weekly stuff, it just makes it appear as if you're delaying the inevitable.

Yeah. it's become so meaningless. At first, I understood the point. I understand keeping up the message, but the press conferences have become a joke. I think they were hoping to get the national media to pay attention, but ESPN doesn't want to fuck with upsetting the NBA and mostly ignores Sacramento. I still think they can come forward with Burkle and Mastrov, but stop the weekly Whale watch please. Just give us a date in which you'll be presenting to the public and hte NBA your offer to buy the team and then let us know of anything knew.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2013, 11:22:11 PM
Is Kevin Johnson a good mayor?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 13, 2013, 11:24:38 PM
just count the rings
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2013, 11:25:36 PM
holy shit he's married to Michelle Rhee, how did I not know this  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 14, 2013, 12:12:51 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2013, 11:22:11 PM
Is Kevin Johnson a good mayor?

Well what he's done to keep the Kings here has been great. The Kings would have been gone by now if not for him. (And Sterling and Buss doing all they can to block a third LA team.) Outside of that, I don't really know.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 14, 2013, 12:16:43 AM
Malek: Besides all the reasons you listed for why MLB and the NHL have more robust player development systems, there's good ol' path dependency.  Football became a nationally popular sport on the collegiate level before the NFL got a lot of traction, and I'm fuzzy on the history but I think basketball was the same way.  Baseball's the other way around, hence not having to deal with an already embedded college sports industry.  Ditto soccer in Europe.

Really, if we were drawing up a system from scratch without any emotional attachments, would anyone suggest anything like the insanity of college athletics?  "Young players are forced into amateur leagues where they're not allowed to get paid even though it's a multibillion dollar industry, except everyone breaks the rules and punishments are pretty random.  But we do give them college scholarships to places that wouldn't have let them in anyway.   Only we don't really hold them to the standards of the university they attend, and any college that even makes an effort to see them graduate gets praised to high heaven for doing what should be the bare minimum at an institution of higher learning."

Da fuq.

Quote from: Steve Contra on February 13, 2013, 05:54:29 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2013, 05:48:37 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on February 13, 2013, 01:48:33 PM
This is why we need to do away with college ball for the best players.  Why the fuck should that guy risk millions of dollars so old white don't tut-tut about him going to college?


I was talking to my uncle about this last month. Jabari Parker is going to Duke next year, but is arguably the best high school player since LeBron. Should he be allowed to enter the NBA if he wanted? I'm not sure.

Let the NBA teams decide if someone is ready or not.  They don't have to select someone if they don't have to, and a lot of folks will be going to college regardless.

Yes yes yes.  We don't know which HS players can hack it, but we don't know which college players can hack it either.  Teams scout, make their best decision based on limited information, and live with the results.  We don't need a rule in place to stop Michael Jordan from drafting Kwame Brown just like we don't need a rule stopping him from drafting Adam Morrison.

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Didn't mean to pick on MJ until I realized he was the man behind both my examples.  Oh well, he's a terrible GM.
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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 14, 2013, 12:45:26 AM
Clips laying the smackdown on the Rockets

Clips-Lakers should be fun tomorrow
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 14, 2013, 12:52:35 AM
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/8942055/los-angeles-lakers-kobe-bryant-response-homophoic-slur-twitter-welcome

Which brings us back to Bryant and his 140 characters Sunday.

And the fact that he said something. Unprompted and unprovoked, he said something.

One of the cardinal rules of marketing to a broad audience is to maintain a broad appeal. That means playing it safe, offending no one, watering it down.

People buy your shoes because you're a great basketball player, not because of your political beliefs.

For anyone to step out of that lane takes guts. For a superstar the magnitude of Kobe Bryant to do so is extraordinary.


 ::)

Yo, Ramona, watching this vid takes far less time than writing yet another hagiographic piece on your idol,


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z7EOG8z_e0&noredirect=1
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 03:24:14 AM
oh hi AWESOME-O

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/PerDiem-130213/nba-why-lebron-james-michael-jordan

Money quote:

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Yes, James plays like an oversized point guard like Magic, but Magic averaged more than 20 points in just four of his 13 seasons in the NBA. James' 27.6 points per game average ranks third all time.

Moreover, if we really want to do James justice, we should compare him to his contemporaries. In this sense, he feels more like a freak Nash-Shaq hybrid. No one has ever combined physical dominance with technical mastery quite like James. To illustrate, there are only two players in the past 20 years to shoot at least 56 percent on at least 18 attempts per game. Their names: LeBron James and Shaquille O'Neal.

But then get this: Nash and Jose Calderon are the only two players this season who can match James in assists per game (6.9) and 3-point percentage (42 percent). Believe it or not, James has evolved into one of the top spot-up shooters in the league; his eye-popping 56.8 percent shooting on spot-ups ranks him first among 155 players with at least 90 attempts, according to SynergySports. Instead of comparing James to Jordan or Johnson, it's probably more accurate to say this edition of James is a freak composite of the greatest shooting point guard of all time (Nash) and the most physically overwhelming player the game has ever seen (Shaq).
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:bow All Hail :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 14, 2013, 03:24:35 AM
Kyrie played one of his worst games ever and the Cavs gave away the game to the Spurs. They outplayed them the whole game.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 03:25:14 AM
fuck, just started watching that one :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2013, 04:11:20 AM
shiiiiiiit need to watch.  How the fuck did Duncan and Parker let Cleveland get that close  :lol

I guess Duncon and Ginobli were a little rusty considering their break.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 14, 2013, 04:31:29 PM
Heat at Thunder and Clippers versus Lakers on TNT tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 14, 2013, 04:46:39 PM
The Onion killin it as usual.

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LeBron James Playing Flawless Basketball In Pathetic Bid For Nation's Approval


MIAMI—Shooting 56 percent from the field so far this season and completing an astounding 49 of his last 65 shots, LeBron James has recently taken his game to another level in a transparent and paltry attempt to win widespread admiration, sources confirmed Tuesday. “In typical fashion, LeBron is shamelessly trying to get everyone to like him,” said ESPN’s Stephen A. Smith, who mentioned that it was “pitiful” to see James pulling publicity stunts such as improving his rebounding skills and shooting more consistently than any basketball player in history. “It’s sad enough to see him scoring points at will, but when he’s also locking down on defense, making all his teammates look better, and generally improving every facet of his game, it just looks desperate.” Smith added that at least James had toned back his pathetic antics since last season, when the 9-time all star “practically begged” for praise by winning an NBA championship.



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Kobe Bryant Holds Kobe-Bryant-Only Meeting To Discuss Lakers

LOS ANGELES—After a tumultuous and disappointing first half of their season, Kobe Bryant reportedly called a Kobe-Bryant-only meeting Thursday to air out the many issues still plaguing the Lakers. “There are 29 games to go and we’re still under .500, so everybody needs to step their game up right now,” Bryant reportedly said during the closed-door talks, which did not include coaches, upper management, or any of the other 13 players on the Lakers’ roster. “I’m sick of hearing excuses about shoulder injuries or trade speculation. We should be contending for the title, but I feel like I’m the only one out there who even gives a damn. And frankly, that’s pathetic.” Reached for comment, Bryant told reporters the meeting was “very positive,” as it was unanimously agreed that the 15-time All-Star should get more of the ball during games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2013, 06:03:37 PM
Awesome games tonight.  Must find good stream of heat thunder.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 06:50:47 PM
Yeah, his speed will be gone and all that will be left is his strength, height, shooting, passing and post game and he'll probably backslide to the kind of production he had as a teen when he had no shot and no idea what he was doing, i.e. dominating
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2013, 07:05:10 PM
How can you root against this dude if you're not a cavs fan

That is some hardcore Kobe/Jordan fandom
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 07:11:14 PM
Why is Kobe even in this discussion
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 07:11:45 PM
Kobe will never be in the GOAT discussion - he's just not that good
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2013, 07:14:52 PM
oh man, rage incoming
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 07:17:11 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on February 14, 2013, 07:07:56 PM
Right, but I'd be very surprised if his shooting % is sustainable without his athleticism. His FT% of 74%, IMO, indicates that much of his FG% success comes from his unparalleled ability to get separation and shoot over people, as opposed to great shooting form. Plus he gets a lot of made field goals off fast breaks, which will also drop his FG% once he slows down.

That's what I'm hoping anyway.

Quote from: BrandNew on February 14, 2013, 07:05:10 PM
How can you root against this dude if you're not a cavs fan

That is some hardcore Kobe/Jordan fandom

I mainly just root against him going down at the GOAT. I don't want to see him get that spot because he's had everything handed to him throughout his career. Also because he's a douche, and the GOAT should be more of a dick. True karmic justice would have been him turning into a Kwame-esque bust, but since that's out of the question, I'm rooting for his all-time ranking to be kept below Jordan/Kareem/Magic/Bird/Russell.

Maybe you missed the spot-up shooting stats in that quote, or haven't been watching him shoot. As long as he has leg strength and height, he can shoot at close to the current rate.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 07:19:47 PM
i mean, maybe Kobe can one day hope to get more rings than Horry or Kerr, if he pushes for a trade...but he's still not in the GOAT discussion ever
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 07:23:53 PM
League Pass has been total shit the past few days, better not screw up tonight or i'll...why i'll...
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 07:41:39 PM
AWESOME-O admits Kobe does not belong in GOAT discussion

AWESOME-O discusses LeBron's place in GOAT discussion

flawless victory, drops mic /out

some salt for that paper cut from David Thorpe:
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8940532/nba-lebron-james-vs-kevin-durant

Quote
LeBron James
I often define talent as "production without mechanics," and this applies to LeBron's incredibly improved shooting production. LeBron still does not stay balanced on most of his shots. He does not follow through consistently or hold his follow-through as long as he should. He also still falls backward too often. But his results suggest that his focus on this part of his game is stronger than ever, in part thanks to his recognition that he needs to save his body to some degree for a long playoff run.

Simply put, LeBron might be the single best NBA player this season as a spot-up shooter. Yes, you read that right. It is a frightening thought for NBA coaches who must concoct a game plan for LeBron and the Heat.

Better shooter?
Believe it or not, LeBron is now one of the top shooters in the game. But he's still not the best. That title belongs to Durant, who is so good from deep and still a bit better at knowing where to find great perimeter looks than LeBron. However, as LeBron ages, there is the possibility that he will one day be the top 3-point threat in the league.


Quote
But he also makes the passes defenses don't see coming. The man no one accounts for in transition. The teammate left open after defenses rotate and err. Those kinds of buckets are gold for a team and demoralizing for defenses. Remember when LeBron was too "sticky" with the ball? Now he is the best ball-mover/passer/elite scorer we've seen since Larry Bird.

Quote
Durant has made big strides here. His ability to stay in front of most ball handlers and bother shooters with his outstretched hand, coupled with the effort he makes physically and mentally as he executes his team's game plan, puts him into elite status as a defender for the first time. But LeBron can still defend almost anyone in the NBA and do it better than almost anyone at each position except center.


Quote
Then, a new argument will emerge:

LeBron versus Jordan.

Jordan assumed his status without anyone pushing him on the court -- he was mostly driven by what Bird and Magic had done in the past and used anything to motivate himself, as we learned during his Hall of Fame speech. So with Durant on LeBron's heels, it's possible LeBron could end up with similar accomplishments to Jordan when it's all said and done.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 07:43:54 PM
man, Clippers vs Lakers is gonna be such an anticlimax after Heat-Thunder. The Clippers steamrolled the Rockets like nothing I've ever seen last night, think they had 46 in the first quarter
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 07:55:57 PM
Perhaps you could respond meaningfully without annoying everyone in this thread? Or maybe quit saying things that can't be supported rationally and expecting sympathy.

Do you know the difference between 'spot-up shooting' and a jump shot off the dribble btw? Which of those is reliant on a big vertical jump and which is one that players can still excel at when they're pushing 40?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 08:05:00 PM
oh fuck Reggie on the mic tonight :fbm

Marv and Steve can only hope to contain him
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 08:07:25 PM
very sensible!

I suppose all those 'LeBron is better than Kobe' articles wore you down, oh wait no-one else even took it seriously enough to discuss it
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 08:08:03 PM
don't take this seriously for god's sake, i'm just having fun
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 08:16:01 PM
it's funny how the media version of the game today is a battle of shooting efficiency between LeBron and Durant rather than a game between two teams that might meet in the Finals
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2013, 08:32:35 PM
62 of 82
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 08:35:22 PM
The practice question is kind of insulting to Kerr and Miller, really. I read this book, The Art of a Beautiful Game by Chris Ballard (?) that had a section where the author challenged Kerr to a shooting contest while he was GM for the Suns. Kerr was completely cold, having not been on a court in years, no warm-up, wearing work clothes...he still hit basically every shot. In an empty gym, those guys just don't miss. Good to hear Steve shoot Marv down on that one.

Bosh still killing it too. Not a very disciplined game so far though
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2013, 08:42:56 PM
fffuuuuuuuuuuck

hope he's okay
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 08:45:14 PM
that was nasty, looked purely accidental to me though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 08:50:29 PM
LeBron 3-5 for 11 in the first, exactly 60%

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2013, 09:13:47 PM
Bosh has been playing really well tonight
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 09:15:22 PM
I am actually glad Ray Allen is not on the Celtics, even with 2 guards out with ACL injuries
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 09:17:21 PM
this is a nightmare game for OKC. Their lack of sophistication on offense is really clear. Miami knows how to stop their 'A' options, and their 'B' and 'C' shots aren't good enough to compete with the looks Miami is getting. And they are sulking as a result. Could be another epic Westbrook press conference after this
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2013, 09:23:47 PM
god.

damn.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 09:25:21 PM
:rofl

sent to die
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 14, 2013, 09:25:57 PM
LOL Jordan

He once said Kobe is "probably" a top 10 guard, not top 10 overall.  Now he's saying he'll take Kobe over Lebron.   I think that MJ is just saying this because it's already guaranteed that Kobe will be considered a lesser player and Lebron is the one with a legit chance to equal or surpass him. 

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8949448/michael-jordan-pick-kobe-bryant-lebron-james

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2013, 09:26:15 PM
double fouls are fucking pathetic

lebron angry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 09:28:39 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 14, 2013, 09:25:57 PM
LOL Jordan

He once said Kobe is "probably" a top 10 guard, not top 10 overall.  Now he's saying he'll take Kobe over Lebron.   I think that MJ is just saying this because it's already guaranteed that Kobe will be considered a lesser player and Lebron is the one with a legit chance to equal or surpass him. 

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8949448/michael-jordan-pick-kobe-bryant-lebron-james


ok, he picks the criteria by which he himself looks better than either (rings), that's classic MJ gamesmanship. But given his record as a GM, who on earth can take his opinions seriously anyway
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 09:30:15 PM
Spoelstra really needed to take that tech for LeBron. Everyone could see it coming after that silly double foul call
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 14, 2013, 09:31:12 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 09:28:39 PM
ok, he picks the criteria by which he himself looks better than either (rings), that's classic MJ gamesmanship. But given his record as a GM, who on earth can take his opinions  seriously anyway

Yup, he will never live down the drafting of Kwame Brown
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 09:33:43 PM
TBH though, every GM has made blunders of that magnitude and many of them make up for it later (like David Kahn). It's because he keeps on doing it, and trading for/signing players that are equally horrible. It's only once he handed over the reins (to at least some degree) that Charlotte has gotten some glimmers of hope.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 14, 2013, 09:34:08 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 09:28:39 PM
ok, he picks the criteria by which he himself looks better than either (rings), that's classic MJ gamesmanship. seriously anyway

Actually, it's pretty dumb of MJ.  He makes Kobe's legacy much closer to his than it should. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 09:34:59 PM
oh yeah but he also knows Kobe isn't getting a 6th
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 09:35:09 PM
i mean, come on
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2013, 09:39:41 PM
yeah there's not a high possibility of that happening

wow shaq is so fucking dumb on these halftime shows
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 14, 2013, 09:43:19 PM
This game is a beat down so far.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 14, 2013, 09:47:49 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 08:35:22 PM
The practice question is kind of insulting to Kerr and Miller, really. I read this book, The Art of a Beautiful Game by Chris Ballard (?) that had a section where the author challenged Kerr to a shooting contest while he was GM for the Suns. Kerr was completely cold, having not been on a court in years, no warm-up, wearing work clothes...he still hit basically every shot. In an empty gym, those guys just don't miss. Good to hear Steve shoot Marv down on that one.

Bosh still killing it too. Not a very disciplined game so far though

What was the question?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 09:51:57 PM
Marv talked about LeBron hitting 60 of the past 60 shots (or whatever it was) - and asked Steve and Reggie if they could do that in an empty gym. Cold silence for a beat or two. Steve: 'Well, yeah. I could'
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2013, 09:54:27 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47741689&postcount=7356 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47741689&postcount=7356)

people just can't shut the fuck up and compliment lebron  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 09:57:34 PM
:rofl

Yeah, give LeBron Steve Nash, Dwight Howard and Pau Gasol and he'd be sub.500 FOR SURE
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 14, 2013, 09:58:00 PM
I don't really fault Jordan for the Kwame pick; nearly every team would have drafted him in that situation. To me Jordan's failures are displayed by the bad picks and decisions he made out of thin air. Drafting Brandon Wright (then trading him for Jason Richardson) over Noah for instance, or making Adam Morrison a lottery pick. Those are legit stupid moves that can't be justified, and many teams wouldn't have made: I remember a lot of people questioning Morrison's ability to create his own offense and his poor play against athletic teams.

Perhaps other people rate drafts differently. But as a Lions fan/Joe Dumars hater, I focus on picks that weren't easy. I can't give the Lions credit for drafting someone like Stafford or Suh, who clearly were the best players available. On the flip side the Pistons drafting Darko was literally like failing to shoot a fish in a barrel.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 09:59:53 PM
Yep. And even in his player days he was a terrible judge of talent - how the fuck could you not want Toni Kukoc on your team
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 14, 2013, 10:01:53 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 14, 2013, 09:58:00 PM
I don't really fault Jordan for the Kwame pick; nearly every team would have drafted him in that situation. To me Jordan's failures are displayed by the bad picks and decisions he made out of thin air. Drafting Brandon Wright (then trading him for Jason Richardson) over Noah for instance, or making Adam Morrison a lottery pick. Those are legit stupid moves that can't be justified, and many teams wouldn't have made: I remember a lot of people questioning Morrison's ability to create his own offense and his poor play against athletic teams.

Perhaps other people rate drafts differently. But as a Lions fan/Joe Dumars hater, I focus on picks that weren't easy. I can't give the Lions credit for drafting someone like Stafford or Suh, who clearly were the best players available. On the flip side the Pistons drafting Darko was literally like failing to shoot a fish in a barrel.

Jordan will always be an awful GM/owner. His ego is such that it makes it inevitable.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 14, 2013, 10:04:36 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 09:28:39 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 14, 2013, 09:25:57 PM
LOL Jordan

He once said Kobe is "probably" a top 10 guard, not top 10 overall.  Now he's saying he'll take Kobe over Lebron.   I think that MJ is just saying this because it's already guaranteed that Kobe will be considered a lesser player and Lebron is the one with a legit chance to equal or surpass him. 

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8949448/michael-jordan-pick-kobe-bryant-lebron-james


ok, he picks the criteria by which he himself looks better than either (rings), that's classic MJ gamesmanship. But given his record as a GM, who on earth can take his opinions seriously anyway
:lol
 If Kobe were to somehow get a sixth ring, Jordan would learn how PER works.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 10:06:10 PM
offensive rebound by Bosh, didn't believe it 'til i saw the replay

this could get ugly. OKC are really pouty
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 14, 2013, 10:08:05 PM
Brooks is gonna have so much pressure on him about Perkins after this game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2013, 10:09:29 PM
30 points, 10 of 16 for lebron

63%
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 14, 2013, 10:11:44 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 14, 2013, 10:09:29 PM
30 points, 10 of 16 for lebron

63%
Rich man's Rudy Gay. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 14, 2013, 10:12:01 PM
Jordan also drafted DJ Augistine over Brook Lopez. Although to be fair I would have drafted Brandon Rush and been wrong too; I thought he'd be very good in the NBA.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2013, 10:12:08 PM
reggie jackson looks like poot
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2013, 10:14:05 PM
all I ever think of when I see the birdman is how much those neck tattoos had to hurt
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 10:14:34 PM
and how little i want to buy meth from him
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2013, 10:16:04 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47742489&postcount=7419 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47742489&postcount=7419)

more hilarity

it didn't occur to me he was konex.  makes sense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 14, 2013, 10:16:16 PM
I think a neck/face tattoo is a good move for a marginal NBA talent. Because it forces you to practice your ass off because you have nothing to fall back on at that point.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 10:17:25 PM
Andersen was basically broke even when he was getting big paydays. I fully expect him to be bankrupt within a year of being out of the league.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 10:20:01 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 14, 2013, 10:09:29 PM
30 points, 10 of 16 for lebron

63%

11 boards, 6 assists, may as well leave him in to get the triple-double
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2013, 10:20:04 PM
Westbrook just chucks all game
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 14, 2013, 10:22:08 PM
Rashard Lewis

 :poop
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2013, 10:22:11 PM
ooooh, game's getting interesting with lebron out

put him back in for the triple dub and back over the 60% mark
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 10:23:02 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 14, 2013, 10:22:08 PM
Rashard Lewis

 :poop

It has to be tough to find the negatives for the Heat tonight but ...golf clap
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 10:23:58 PM
Has Chris Andersen ever shot from that far out before? I sense Riley's hand twitching for the red button that calls the hitman
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 14, 2013, 10:25:22 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 10:23:02 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 14, 2013, 10:22:08 PM
Rashard Lewis

 :poop

It has to be tough to find the negatives for the Heat tonight but ...golf clap

He's always been one of my pet peeve hate players. I don't get many opportunities to express my hate of him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 10:27:16 PM
His inability to be even average in his current role is astonishing, and yet another reminder how insane the Wizards were to believe he could be a centerpiece
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2013, 10:27:37 PM
lol refs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 10:31:23 PM
10-13 for Bosh. What do OKC need Perkins for again? Really he shouldn't be in there for more than 5 minutes to spell Collison
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2013, 10:32:39 PM
goddamn that lebron 3
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 10:33:41 PM
hasn't shown up on LP yet but i will look forward to it :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2013, 10:34:24 PM
oh I didn't know you were on a delay.  I'll try not to spoil it anymore, sorry dude
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 10:36:17 PM
lol at Reggie - 'When he starts making those shots on a consistent basis...'

How can he watch all these games and have no fucking clue what he is seeing? Steve put him right but I want blood there
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 10:37:08 PM
I'm watching live so no biggie - there is always like a minute or so of delay though. Encoding or whatever
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2013, 10:37:46 PM
but yeah, that three was pretty great

almost don't want him to shoot anymore  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2013, 10:39:27 PM
well, looks like he'll have to -- game is getting tight
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 10:40:28 PM
Quote
@JohnKrolik: By the way, Reggie, you shot better on 3s than LeBron has this year 3 times in 18 seasons.


 :kylielaff

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2013, 10:41:05 PM
wade fouled out, fuck.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2013, 10:43:55 PM
so many fouls

tons of people at 5 fouls right now
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 10:47:53 PM
jesus, nobody can move without a foul, dislike
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2013, 10:49:56 PM
#dead

jesus lebron

39 points
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 10:51:47 PM
maybe the Thunder will learn something from how much better they are against the Heat going small (or really, going non-Perkins)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2013, 10:53:53 PM
most of this game should show these NBA analysts that pontificate about the MVP race how much of a gap there should be between Lebron and Durant.  KD will still probably win, but he really shouldn't.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2013, 10:57:36 PM
58%

fuck  :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 11:05:51 PM
Were you pulling for him to steal a dunk at the end? Would have been a punk move IMHO

and oh hai there Lakers, getting destroyed by the Clippers I see
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2013, 11:12:40 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 14, 2013, 11:17:37 PM
What's with you and Kobe and unwilling butt-holes.

edit: Well, BrandNew would be willing. Nevermind.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2013, 11:35:34 PM
i'd pay good money to be a part of it  :-*
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 14, 2013, 11:56:53 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 14, 2013, 10:49:56 PM
#dead

jesus lebron

39 points

Durant had 40. :drake
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 15, 2013, 12:24:21 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on February 14, 2013, 07:47:14 PM
I will say this: find me a "top 3 point shooter in the league" who wasn't also one of the top FT shooters. That's why I'm skeptical that LeBron can maintain that once he can no longer jump over everyone.

Bruce Bowen.

BOOM
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 15, 2013, 12:50:55 AM
I didn't even bother responding to that one because if we were to start listing all the ways in which LeBron is an anomaly, wow
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 15, 2013, 12:53:09 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on February 15, 2013, 12:09:38 AM
A lot of those points came when the game was out of hand. LeBron didn't outplay Durant dramatically though. The real story is that Miami took 88 shots to OKC's 73, due largely to the fact that Miami had a 13-5 offensive rebound advantage, and made 11/29 threes, which is pretty good (113.7 points/100). OKC's parade to the charity stripe couldn't overcome those two issues.

dude...

look at the FG %
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 15, 2013, 12:56:06 AM
I'm also inclined to say that the story of the game was Miami's defense and a corresponding lack of adjustment on the part of OKC
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2013, 01:10:51 AM
I'll admit it now. I'm finally bored with the Lakers. They just suck and enjoying that they suck was fun for a good long while but now its just old. Even if they somehow made it in the playoffs they would get crushed anyway. I think I've milked as much enjoyment out of them as I can.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 15, 2013, 01:20:04 AM
No way

You can't have too much of a good thing

Also, being in Lakertown, I know that most of them are still delusional and think they can win it all if they make the playoffs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 15, 2013, 01:35:16 AM
http://stats.nba.com/?GameScope=Season&PlayerOrTeam=Player&StatCategory=Points (http://stats.nba.com/?GameScope=Season&PlayerOrTeam=Player&StatCategory=Points)

Cormac never seen again, dies jerking off
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 15, 2013, 01:37:36 AM
Quote
PIE - Player Impact Estimate
PIE measures a player's overall statistical contribution against the total statistics in games they play in. PIE yields results which are comparable to other advanced statistics (e.g. PER) using a simple formula.(PTS + FGM + FTM - FGA - FTA + DREB + (.5 * OREB) + AST + STL + (.5 * BLK) - PF - TO) / (GmPTS + GmFGM + GmFTM - GmFGA - GmFTA + GmDREB + (.5 * GmOREB) + GmAST + GmSTL + (.5 * GmBLK) - GmPF - GmTO)
:-\


Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 14, 2013, 09:58:00 PM
I don't really fault Jordan for the Kwame pick; nearly every team would have drafted him in that situation.
I don't know about that. I could be misremembering, but a lot of teams had Chandler, Curry and Gasol higher than him on their board and I don't think Brown was shooting up anybodies but the Wizards until Eddie Griffin tanked. Jordan turned down Brand for the pick and basically everyone agreed that was dumb. IIRC, Jordan refused to ever consider taking Gasol.

That draft was great. Rodney White as the "most talented player" in it. Kedrick Brown with a lottery guarantee from  his amazing community college performances. Stern practically orgasming when Battier was finally drafted. Almost every unskilled but seven foot center that's bounced around the league for the last decade.

lol at this:
Quote
If Jordan was looking for a competitor reminiscent of himself, he saw glimpses of one that June day as the 6'11", 250-pound Brown repeatedly lowered his thick shoulders and dismantled the 235-pound Chandler one-on-one. When the Wizards said they had seen enough, Brown walked over to Jordan, his hero, and vowed, "If you draft me first, I'll never disappoint you." Before turning away, the teenager offered a prediction for a one-on-one showdown in the not-so-distant future: "And I'll beat you."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 15, 2013, 02:04:29 AM
Yeah, he got played by an 18yr old. Amazing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2013, 02:34:33 AM
Dunno. Brown was the best high school player that year, and had a better offensive game than Chandler and Curry at the time; I remember reading about him dominating Chandler multiple times pre-draft.

Rodney White, another great Joe Dumars draft pick. Although I guess he did draft Mehmet Okur that year too tho :bow
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 15, 2013, 04:00:16 AM
dominated him in closed door one-on-one match-ups....which proved not to be Chandler's game anyway. Really, can you remember Kwame Brown ever dominating him in the pros? Or anyone else? Either Chandler got better fast or Brown was never that good
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: benjipwns on February 15, 2013, 04:31:43 AM
I remember some scouts questioning if Brown could ever be a serious post player because he had bad hands and bad footwork. Curry was obviously a natural prodigy in that regard.

Kwame's upside was his size and athleticism, he was bigger than Chandler and more athletic than Curry.

The best draft hype was Darko's. Legit NBA size and toughness with Toni Kukoc's shooting and ball handling.  :drool

I remember some Piston fan forums where people were all "Larry Brown wanted Melo" and then people would point out how Brown also thought Jared Jeffries was a future superstar. All the Pistons needed was a tough big man who could stretch defenses and they'd have a title! That part was true sorta.

I argued with this one guy over Billups vs. Atkins, he felt the Pistons should start Atkins and not sign Billups because Atkins had put in the time as a Piston and Billups was a benchwarming journeyman the Pistons were going to massively overpay. Good times.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: pilonv1 on February 15, 2013, 04:34:54 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 15, 2013, 01:35:16 AM
http://stats.nba.com/?GameScope=Season&PlayerOrTeam=Player&StatCategory=Points (http://stats.nba.com/?GameScope=Season&PlayerOrTeam=Player&StatCategory=Points)

Cormac never seen again, dies jerking off

I spent way too much time at work today using this. God tier shit
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 15, 2013, 07:29:31 AM
Wasn't Chandler much skinnier back then?  Kwame had a more NBA ready body but that doesn't mean he had more potential.  I'm sure quite a few lower drafted big men could have beaten Anthony Davis one on one just by sheer strength. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 15, 2013, 12:30:45 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47749904&postcount=7917 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47749904&postcount=7917)

Laker fans doing their best to sidestep actually giving props to Lebron.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 15, 2013, 12:32:02 PM
oh he's a bulls fan, never mind.  MJ envy
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2013, 04:10:58 PM
The problem was that Darko was all potential, whereas Melo was the clear best available player; it was a horrible decision. I still don't see how you pass on the guy who had one of the best college careers ever, a top 5 tournament performance, almost no flaws, etc for a question mark. Darko also got man handled by some of the big men in that draft during work outs.

Fire Dumars.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 15, 2013, 06:07:10 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/fLEvi26.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Beezy on February 15, 2013, 06:39:21 PM
Oh wow, he's actually dressed pretty decen-

*scrolls down*

Goddammit Westbrook....
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 15, 2013, 08:13:26 PM
even multi-millionaires have laundry days I guess

i lazily googled for 'Russell Westbrook fashion tumblr' and got this, worth a flip through

http://nbahipsters.tumblr.com/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Robo on February 15, 2013, 08:16:14 PM
Damn it, I love tie bars.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 15, 2013, 08:30:00 PM
showed the Westbrook pic to both wife and child and got wildly divergent reactions - WTF and Cooooooool, respectively

Also child freaked out that Captain America is now wearing sunglasses, PD
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 15, 2013, 08:38:43 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 15, 2013, 01:37:36 AM
Quote
PIE - Player Impact Estimate
PIE measures a player's overall statistical contribution against the total statistics in games they play in. PIE yields results which are comparable to other advanced statistics (e.g. PER) using a simple formula.(PTS + FGM + FTM - FGA - FTA + DREB + (.5 * OREB) + AST + STL + (.5 * BLK) - PF - TO) / (GmPTS + GmFGM + GmFTM - GmFGA - GmFTA + GmDREB + (.5 * GmOREB) + GmAST + GmSTL + (.5 * GmBLK) - GmPF - GmTO)
:-\


In the NHL, the leader in PIE is Phil Kessel.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2013, 08:45:51 PM
Quote from: Beezy on February 15, 2013, 06:39:21 PM
Oh wow, he's actually dressed pretty decen-

*scrolls down*

Goddammit Westbrook....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGp_L5zgDBM
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 15, 2013, 09:01:25 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 15, 2013, 12:24:21 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on February 14, 2013, 07:47:14 PM
I will say this: find me a "top 3 point shooter in the league" who wasn't also one of the top FT shooters. That's why I'm skeptical that LeBron can maintain that once he can no longer jump over everyone.

Bruce Bowen.

BOOM
.575? Yikes.
Wesley Person, Matt Bonner, Brandon Rush, Trent Tucker, Jared Dudley, Mike Miller (uses nba reference) have managed to have high career 3P%'s despite LrBron-like free-throw shooting.
3 point shooters usually do have high FT percentages.
 FT% of the top ten 3-point shooters of all time: .864, .902, .837, .888, .841, .835, .840, .904, .897, .856
 FT% of those ranked 241-250 all time: .690, .790, .698, .675, .725, .739, .708, .766,  .835, .730

Those ranked 241-250 have a 3P% near 35%.

---

LeBron in Feb: 31.5 ponts per game on 16.6 shots.
R. Gay in Feb:  20.7 points per game on 20.3 shots.

:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 15, 2013, 09:04:57 PM
I get that Jordan was arguably the greatest and also the most enjoyable to watch player ever.  But all the hoopla and hero worshiping brought on by his 50th birthday is pretty disgusting.   It's like he stopped a World War by himself or more. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 15, 2013, 09:11:56 PM
Well, he was the biggest sports star on the planet. He kind of deserves to be fawned over a little.


Him and Ali. That's the list.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Mandark on February 15, 2013, 09:15:07 PM
Pele?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 15, 2013, 09:18:19 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on February 15, 2013, 09:01:25 PM
.575? Yikes.
Look at his 2002-03 season.  :teehee
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 15, 2013, 09:20:37 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 15, 2013, 09:18:19 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on February 15, 2013, 09:01:25 PM
.575? Yikes.
Look at his 2002-03 season.  :teehee
Not only was his 3P% higher, but he made nearly three times as many three-pointers as he did free-throws.  :lol

Mandark, when did soccer become a sport?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Mandark on February 15, 2013, 09:26:28 PM
When ESPN picked it up (ie around the time hockey stopped being one).
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 15, 2013, 09:28:49 PM
I'm sorry, but we don't get ESPN in Canada.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Mandark on February 15, 2013, 09:33:13 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on February 15, 2013, 09:28:49 PM
I'm sorry, but we don't get ESPN in Canada.

#ThirdWorldProblems
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 15, 2013, 09:36:26 PM
#wegot99problemsbutSkipBaylessaintone

edit: Well, that's not accurate as we get Around the Horn on TSN.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2013, 10:02:07 PM
Did you guys know Michael Jordan is 50?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 15, 2013, 10:39:31 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 15, 2013, 09:15:07 PM
Pele?

I said SPORTS star.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 15, 2013, 11:57:06 PM
Toxic knows what's up.
*daps
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 17, 2013, 01:30:35 AM
The Dunk Contest would be better if this were real:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/gerald-green-incorporates-christopher-marlowes-doc,31328/

(http://o.onionstatic.com/images/19/19570/original/700.jpg?4543)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: benjipwns on February 17, 2013, 01:46:16 AM
I literally forgot about All-Star Saturday.

This will probably get pulled, didn't see anything of just the dunks yet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiktJX7u9V0
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: pilonv1 on February 17, 2013, 02:35:11 AM
I wish I'd forgotten.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: benjipwns on February 17, 2013, 02:43:57 AM
Chuck made this vid worth watching for me at least.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 17, 2013, 07:56:02 PM
Should be starting pretty soon. I don't care about the Friday or Saturday stuff. I'm not a kid. But even as goofy and as poorly played as the All-Star game is there is a part of me that is always excited to see all those guys on the court at the same time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 17, 2013, 07:59:39 PM
All-Star game is obviously for the white fans

Just look at the music selection
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 17, 2013, 08:09:52 PM
I hate to be mean to people who haven't really done anything wrong but I wish Craig Sager would go away forever.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 17, 2013, 08:11:19 PM
he shops at pimp pawnshops, jesus
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 17, 2013, 08:14:27 PM
dwight howard as a starter...

lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Beezy on February 17, 2013, 08:17:46 PM
Shut your mouths. Craig and Clyde are amazing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 17, 2013, 08:28:58 PM
I don't want to get into a lot of predictions .....but I bet Kyrie Irving tears this thing to pieces
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 17, 2013, 08:35:56 PM
Can't really imagine a coach less-suited to ASGs than Pop
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 17, 2013, 08:38:13 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 17, 2013, 08:35:56 PM
Can't really imagine a coach less-suited to ASGs than Pop

The All Star game and Weekend is complete BS and Pop almost certainly treats it like that so in an ironic way they are perfect for each other. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 17, 2013, 08:40:06 PM
wow this rendition...

 :cancry

that was terrible
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 17, 2013, 08:41:37 PM
Pop really needs to pull all Parker and Duncan for phantom injuries and write the check to Stern right there
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 17, 2013, 08:42:49 PM
oh ffs are they SERIOUSLY going to have 7 separate anthems

none of these guys singing can even dunk
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: pilonv1 on February 17, 2013, 08:43:24 PM
They need an Australian national anthem for Kyrie
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 17, 2013, 08:43:40 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 17, 2013, 08:40:06 PM
wow this rendition...

 :cancry

that was terrible

She was kinda thick and hot for an older women so that's all I really care about
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 17, 2013, 08:46:02 PM
So the ASG is basically the Heat vs the LA teams
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 17, 2013, 08:49:41 PM
Is 6 foul rule still in effect for ASG?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 17, 2013, 08:52:20 PM
it's the only way Dwight won't get dunked on 50 times
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 17, 2013, 08:54:06 PM
so who looks partied out

Melo looked pretty wasted
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 17, 2013, 09:02:16 PM
 :lol

put in kyrie

also I think its funny that melo is starting along with KG
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 17, 2013, 09:03:50 PM
how on earth can Melo be a better pure scorer than KD without actually scoring more points

it's like Reggie has only 140 characters to say one thing about each player, every time

maybe he's a secret stutterer and has to rehearse this shit for hours before the game
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 17, 2013, 09:04:34 PM
of course 'pure scorer' is basically a euphemism for 'doesn't do anything else'
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: pilonv1 on February 17, 2013, 09:05:46 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 17, 2013, 09:04:34 PM
of course 'pure scorer' is basically a euphemism for 'doesn't do anything else'

yep, code for jacks a lot of shots
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 17, 2013, 09:07:53 PM
Like a Bosh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 17, 2013, 09:11:29 PM
kyrie!!!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 17, 2013, 09:12:00 PM
there's always that guy in the ASG who is amazing but never gets to play with anyone good, then everyone realizes 'holy crap, this guy is legit' - i think Kyrie is that guy
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 17, 2013, 09:21:24 PM
Smooth - if Craig Sager started his own sneaker line, how many pairs would you pre-order

be honest
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 17, 2013, 09:43:53 PM
reggie shut the fuck up

no one cares when they play this game
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 17, 2013, 09:48:14 PM
Bosh looks terrible
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 17, 2013, 09:49:31 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 17, 2013, 09:21:24 PM
Smooth - if Craig Sager started his own sneaker line, how many pairs would you pre-order

be honest

It all depends on the hypeeeeee!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 17, 2013, 09:59:52 PM
I get a little sad when I realize I'm going to have to endure the next decade of Alicia Keys, Beyonce, and John Legend as the musical representatives at every single event. I have nothing against those people. It's just can't we mix it up a little more.

Fun enough first half. Hopefully its close going into the 4th.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 17, 2013, 10:02:04 PM
who was the chick in the ad at the beginning, creaming over all the hot black men in a variety of slutwear
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 17, 2013, 10:08:12 PM
seriously people, Beyonce is RIGHT THERE, she could do better than this singing in the shower
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 17, 2013, 10:13:02 PM
SICK BURNS on Kanye :rofl

can't believe a rapper has nothing in the chamber tho
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 17, 2013, 10:49:36 PM
Cormac, what do you think of the Chuckposites?

I originally thought they were kinda ugly but they were #1 on hype list. 

Not such a bad choice, I guess?


(http://cdn.niketalk.com/7/72/72e0fac2_bronbarkley.jpeg)

(http://cdn.niketalk.com/b/b7/b725b896_Terrence-Ross.jpeg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 17, 2013, 10:51:06 PM
i have only owned one pair of basketball shoes (black and silver Jordans) so I am not the target market

i will say that day glo shit is everything i hated about the 80s when the 80s were happening
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 17, 2013, 10:52:34 PM
watching the clips, the Dunk contest actually had some great, regular dunks this year. I'm sure the show was overlong and tedious of course. Ross and Faried had the best I think, James White choked big-time
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 17, 2013, 11:07:15 PM
Ross was obviously the best his year

also kyrie is tearing it up whenever he's on the court
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 17, 2013, 11:16:37 PM
props to Kobe for that D on LeBron

it is ON
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 17, 2013, 11:27:54 PM
Good game for all star game standards.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 17, 2013, 11:33:26 PM
yeah, not bad. Glad I watched it on the company dime rather than burning weekend TV time on it though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 17, 2013, 11:40:02 PM
I don't think the stage was too big for James White, he's just too old

Those two handed tomahawks and between the legs from ft line were from a long time ago


There were definitely some nice dunks in this year's contest

Only problem I had was too many tries on the same dunk

It should be 3-5 attempts max
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 18, 2013, 12:02:17 AM
They should do an all star game where captains are chosen (Kobe and LeBron), and they get to pick who is on their team from the entire list of all stars. Winning team gets 1mil for the charity of their choosing, plus each player gets some car that hasn't been released yet.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 18, 2013, 12:09:10 AM
Good idea

I bet Kobe would pick a scrub team that just rebounds and plays D
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Beezy on February 18, 2013, 12:54:38 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 17, 2013, 10:02:04 PM
who was the chick in the ad at the beginning, creaming over all the hot black men in a variety of slutwear
Damaris Lewis :heartbeat

Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 17, 2013, 10:13:02 PM
SICK BURNS on Kanye :rofl

can't believe a rapper has nothing in the chamber tho
I missed this part.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 18, 2013, 01:31:43 AM
Kanye actually did make a comeback. They sat him next to Shaq and he just looked tiny. Just as the entire viewership was no doubt thinking this, someone came scurrying up with something for Kanye, and Ernie explained that it was for him to sit on

Simple but genius execution
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 18, 2013, 01:41:09 AM
http://sneakernews.com/2013/02/15/nike-area-72-chrome-collection/

(http://images.sneakernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/nike-area-72-chrome-collection-1.jpg)


reminded me of this:

(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100916022932/nintendo/en/images/5/52/Metal_cap_cavern.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 18, 2013, 08:56:10 AM
Big weekend for Kyrie. Hopefully the networks take notice and start pushing him as a star.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 18, 2013, 09:00:35 AM
If he doesn't start for the East next year, something is wrong (or Derrick Rose comes back hard I guess)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 18, 2013, 11:39:41 AM
Lakers owner, Jerry Buss died.

He's going to miss the championship parade. :teehee

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/jerry-buss-los-angeles-lakers-owner-dies-18530340
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Game)
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 18, 2013, 04:04:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhLKftskpjg

Last night, Wayne told the crowd that he has been banned from all NBA events at the request of the Miami Heat. It's hard to believe that this is actually true, but that didn't stop him from telling the NBA and everyone associated with the Miami Heat to go get fucked. The coup de grâce came when Wayne loudly proclaimed that he has boned Chris Bosh's wife.

http://www.tmz.com/2013/02/18/lil-wayne-miami-heat-lebron-james-dwyane-wade-chris-bosh-wife-adrienne-williams/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 18, 2013, 04:25:22 PM
 :lol

Didn't he get banned from one game for making a gun gesture with his hands in the direction of a fan?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 18, 2013, 05:33:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZmBAfrP4Ls
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 18, 2013, 06:12:12 PM
Jerry Buss dying leaves the Lakers with a bit of a power vacuum, I guess. Jim Buss seems almost as bad as Jim Dolan in terms of talentless entitled silver spooners.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 18, 2013, 06:18:24 PM
Michael Jordan Points Out Flaw In LeBron's Game - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/michael-jordan-points-out-flaw-lebron-game-2013-2)
Quote
"It has to do with his mechanics and how he loads the ball for release. 'So if I have to guard him,' Jordan says, 'I'm gonna push him left so nine times out of 10, he's gonna shoot a jump shot. If he goes right, he's going to the hole and I can't stop him. So I ain't letting him go right.'

"For the rest of the game, when LeBron gets the ball and starts his move, Jordan will call out some variation of 'drive' or 'shoot.' ... He's answering texts, buried in his phone, when the play-by-play guy announces a LeBron jump shot. Without looking up, Jordan says, 'Left?'"

(http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/511e47ececad045420000013-650-611/lebron-shot-shot-chart.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img341/4374/5i5s8.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 18, 2013, 06:25:30 PM
you ARE aware that a player can drive to HIS right on either side of the court?

that said, I don't think MJ would have much luck with that strategy alone. It's pretty basic scouting that the entire league already tries to employ
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 18, 2013, 06:26:47 PM
not saying I agree with Jordan come on breh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 18, 2013, 06:32:42 PM
Lebron is obviously aware of that strategy anyway.  He just doesn't give a shit and will beat you regardless.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 18, 2013, 06:54:30 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 18, 2013, 06:26:47 PM
not saying I agree with Jordan come on breh

no no it's ok i know you couldn't possibly make a mistake as fundamental as that

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:teehee
[close]
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 18, 2013, 09:18:55 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 18, 2013, 06:18:24 PM
Michael Jordan Points Out Flaw In LeBron's Game - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/michael-jordan-points-out-flaw-lebron-game-2013-2)
Quote
"It has to do with his mechanics and how he loads the ball for release. 'So if I have to guard him,' Jordan says, 'I'm gonna push him left so nine times out of 10, he's gonna shoot a jump shot. If he goes right, he's going to the hole and I can't stop him. So I ain't letting him go right.'

"For the rest of the game, when LeBron gets the ball and starts his move, Jordan will call out some variation of 'drive' or 'shoot.' ... He's answering texts, buried in his phone, when the play-by-play guy announces a LeBron jump shot. Without looking up, Jordan says, 'Left?'"

(http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/511e47ececad045420000013-650-611/lebron-shot-shot-chart.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img341/4374/5i5s8.png)


 :poop

All teams have this sort of info on players nowadays. Not just a chart I mean but specific player tendencies. It's people's jobs. It's how the Mavs to pull a random example were able to gameplan against the Heat in the finals. The hard part isn't necessarily identifying this stuff but stopping players even with this knowledge. The idea that Jordan personally scouted out this stuff solely on his own as part of his secret basketball awesomeness is hilarious. Not saying you implied that but that was sort of the impression Reggie Miller left the national audience with last night. I'm still waiting for Jordan to apply his critical scouting eye to the Bobcats.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 18, 2013, 09:25:39 PM
I am pretty sure MJ has a way better-than-average eye for this stuff but it is ridiculous to suggest that those are the only two options available to LeBron, who is as ambidextrous and versatile a player as we've ever seen. Jordan's own scouts would tell him the book goes far deeper. But it is no doubt comforting to him in his dotage to believe he'd still stand a chance thanks to DAT EXPERIENCE
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 18, 2013, 09:52:42 PM
If he did - and it's a huge IF, given LeBron has at least 3 inches and 50lbs on him - it would be because of his own athleticism, fast, strong hands, hand-eye coordination etc rather than that strategy, which is absurdly reductive
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 18, 2013, 10:00:24 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on February 18, 2013, 09:33:49 PM
I think he's saying that in his prime, he could hold LeBron in check with that strategy. Given that he's one of the top defenders ever, that isn't unreasonable.

Maybe he should be more worried about the job he currently holds in life instead of playing the what if game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 18, 2013, 10:22:14 PM
Is this what happens when there is no NBA on television?

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 18, 2013, 10:33:46 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 18, 2013, 10:00:24 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on February 18, 2013, 09:33:49 PM
I think he's saying that in his prime, he could hold LeBron in check with that strategy. Given that he's one of the top defenders ever, that isn't unreasonable.

Maybe he should be more worried about the job he currently holds in life instead of playing the what if game.

he says, playing the what-if game
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 19, 2013, 09:05:32 PM
weak slate of games today  :(

There is an update on the Chris Bosh's wife and L'il Wayne story though

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BDglawVCYAAgqoM.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 19, 2013, 11:55:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_Bi2nwvB5I#
annihilated  :lol

edit: he confronted the announcers
(http://i.minus.com/ium1gRWLuxrhe.gif)
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 20, 2013, 03:13:44 AM
Not much happening today, some quick thoughts,

Golden State's record is finally starting to look like what the stats would suggest

Larry Sanders is quietly having a fine year for the Bucks

Lakers and Celtics should be more interesting tomorrow since the Celtics lost tonight

Stop calling Joe Johnson underrated, he's been one of the most overpaid players for years
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 20, 2013, 08:49:17 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 20, 2013, 03:13:44 AM
Stop calling Joe Johnson underrated, he's been one of the most overpaid players for years
Underrated? (http://www.the-coli.com/images/smilies/wtf.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 20, 2013, 11:39:25 AM
yeah, NBA TV kept going on about how Joe Johnson hasn't been appreciated by the fans as one of the elite players

Maybe that's because he's not elite?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 20, 2013, 09:49:31 PM
Pacers layeth the smacketh down on the Knicks tonight

It looks like the Pacers will be a tough matchup for the Champs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 20, 2013, 09:57:52 PM
ATL doing well against them, too.

But yeah Pacers are the Heat's biggest obstacle in the entire playoffs methinks, unless the Spurs actually go to the finals this year.  They played really well last year against the Heat  (Bosh was gone, but still).  And the Thunder looked srubby against the Heat last week.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 20, 2013, 10:46:47 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8968568/reports-thomas-robinson-2012-no-5-overall-pick-dealt-sacramento-kings-houston-rockets
Quote
After selecting Thomas Robinson with the No. 5 overall pick in the 2012 draft, the Sacramento Kings already have him on the move, according to reports.

Yahoo! Sports reported Wednesday night that the Kings have agreed to send Robinson to the Houston Rockets along with Francisco Garcia and Tyler Honeycutt in exchange for Patrick Patterson, Cole Aldrich and Toney Douglas. USA Today reported that the Kings, in the process of being sold, also received $1 million in the transaction.

In advance of Thursday's 3 p.m. trade deadline, Houston is also dealing forward Marcus Morris to the Phoenix Suns in exchange for a second-round draft pick in June, sources told ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 20, 2013, 11:56:37 PM
Has anyone watched him in the NBA? I remember him being pretty damn good at Kansas and he had a good tournament run. I kind of assumed he'd be decent at least, but looking at his stats...he's a scrub?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 20, 2013, 11:59:19 PM
does he come off the bench?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 21, 2013, 12:05:00 AM
yeah, there is a bit of a logjam in Sac. Robinson's most significant play this year was elbowing Jonas Jerebko hard for no real reason. It was one of those out of nowhere plays that made you wonder if the guy is stable. Probably not a great fit next to DMC anyway.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 21, 2013, 12:27:55 AM
Surprised nobody talking about that Rockets comeback against the Thunder. That was an amazing comeback and a great performance by Harden and Lin

Harden was 14-19 from the field.  7-8 from beyond the arc with 46 points. He also had 8 rebounds and 6 assists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wysOxLwRMxs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 21, 2013, 12:34:00 AM
not talking about it because i haven't watched it yet
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 21, 2013, 12:38:15 AM
Which defender was Kyrie mostly balling up in the 4th?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 21, 2013, 12:39:38 AM
all the defenders
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 21, 2013, 11:49:37 AM
I was trying to watch the replay of the Cavs game last night but fell asleep before the 4th quarter. Aww dammit.

Kind of curious to see if the Cavs trade Speights today. Personally, I would like to see them re-sign the guy but no one ever wants to stay in Cleveland.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 21, 2013, 03:27:33 PM
Lame. No big trades. All minor stuff
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 21, 2013, 04:46:36 PM
it's hilarious that the biggest trade is just reddick to the bucks  :lol

at least he's free of the cancer that is orlando

not that the bucks have much of a shot at all in the playoffs.  Miami will murder them
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 21, 2013, 04:51:29 PM
That TRobb trade is another piece of fuckwaddery from the Maloofs. Basically trading him for extra cash and to save a minor bit of salary.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 21, 2013, 07:01:31 PM
starting to think the Celtics will NEVER be broken up. It's true that there aren't a lot of great trades out there but if you don't sell high on KG and Pierce now, there is a very high risk of them getting that last injury that sends them into decrepitude. I've always thought there is some value in putting out the best team you can even if you're a non-contender though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on February 21, 2013, 07:06:56 PM
Quote from: etiolate on February 21, 2013, 04:51:29 PM
That TRobb trade is another piece of fuckwaddery from the Maloofs. Basically trading him for extra cash and to save a minor bit of salary.
This was a pretty big "fuck you, we really don't care!" to Kings fans.  Amazing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 21, 2013, 07:25:29 PM
Yeah. Every GM in the league should have been targeting the Kings 'cause they obviously will give up whatever at this point. Surprised Tyreke Evans or DMC didn't get shaken loose.

Also weird that Josh Smith and at least one of the Jazz's forwards didn't get moved.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on February 21, 2013, 07:27:07 PM
The Jazz not doing anything was disappointing, and a little baffling.  Not sure what the end goal in the offseason is, or if they just didn't want to mess with a playoff spot at this point.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 21, 2013, 07:29:00 PM
right, two Jazz posts, we've hit our quota for the year now chaps

back to talking about Kobe
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 21, 2013, 07:31:10 PM
If I had to guess, i'd hazard that a lot of owners are looking ahead to shorter, cheaper contracts under the new CBA and planning on picking up the same guys later on for less financial pain. They may be deluding themselves of course but otherwise it is hard to explain why so many teams stood pat
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on February 21, 2013, 07:32:03 PM
We should start a NBA (smallmarket) Thread for things like trade deadlines, and Bucks players getting DUIs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 21, 2013, 07:45:04 PM
or just ban AWESOME-O again
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 21, 2013, 08:21:24 PM
:rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 21, 2013, 10:46:31 PM
unheralded feature of League Pass is seeing the commentators do their warm-ups unedited...just saw Kevin Harlan pointing out a player and saying to C-Webb 'See, this is exactly the kind of crap...talking to Bobcat Goldthwaite!'
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 22, 2013, 12:48:28 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unpVdmnKT0I
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 22, 2013, 02:02:11 AM
I was going to post it earlier but at this point its like posting the crazed babbling of a lunatic. They have a longshot chance at the playoffs and even if they make it they will get dusted in the first round. Kobe can go into his tough guy routine all he wants. The illusion of swagger is over.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 22, 2013, 02:03:48 AM
 ::)

I've been in LA the last ten years

Kobe saying stuff like that gets no reaction from me
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 22, 2013, 02:06:33 AM
tilt at those windmills awesome-o
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 22, 2013, 02:17:25 AM
Pretty disappointing night

expected two highly competitive games and didn't even get one
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 22, 2013, 03:10:22 AM
yeah

caught up with that Rockets-OKC game instead. Mad swagger from Lin and Harden. Still the most fun backcourt in the league
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 22, 2013, 12:40:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A63IKL6Hxc0

New jersey debuts tonight.

 :poop
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 23, 2013, 09:15:46 PM
some pretty zzzz basketball tonight

other than this rockets/wizards game.  Shit's exciting.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 23, 2013, 11:31:35 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8978920/andrew-bynum-philadelphia-76ers-not-close-return-according-coach-doug-collins

What a mess.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2013, 03:04:12 AM
Good thing the Lakers got rid of him, they probably wouldn't make the playoffs if they were without Bynum all season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 24, 2013, 01:14:13 PM
fast-paced game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on February 24, 2013, 02:47:16 PM
Dirk is cookin'
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 24, 2013, 02:56:44 PM
kill mike james
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 24, 2013, 03:02:54 PM
fuck kome
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on February 24, 2013, 03:03:38 PM
wowow
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 24, 2013, 03:22:44 PM
fuck you, kobe.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 24, 2013, 07:38:18 PM
Lakers better win now, their April schedule is pretty tough and at least 1/2 the games are against teams also trying to secure a playoff spot

Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 22, 2013, 03:10:22 AM
caught up with that Rockets-OKC game instead. Mad swagger from Lin and Harden. Still the most fun backcourt in the league

and most "deceptively athletic"
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 24, 2013, 07:40:18 PM
I guess I am a Rockets fan at this point. I probably watch more Rockets games than Celticsc games  :-[

Someone bright tweeted that Harden has had more points on less attempts than LeBron in Feb  8)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 24, 2013, 08:21:37 PM
damn fine game here with the heat/cavs

always seems like the cavs hang around with lebron's heat
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 24, 2013, 08:25:09 PM
also what is with these heat uniforms?  are those like a february-only set?  I haven't seen them wear their regular ones in a long time
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2013, 08:34:22 PM
They're 25th anniversary editions of their old 1990s red ones.

EDIT: And yeah, February-only:
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Red 25th Anniversary Hardwood Classics

To commemorate the franchise’s 25th Anniversary season, the team will unveil a special Red 25th Anniversary Hardwood Classics uniform. This red throwback uniform pays homage to the mid 1990’s HEAT teams and features chunky numbers with a large drop-shadow and a scoop neck silhouette, as well as the original design of the “flaming T’ element in the HEAT word mark. While the team will be recognizing its anniversary throughout the season, the HEAT will dedicate the month of February to wearing the Red Hardwood Classics uniform. Each home and road game during the month of February (with the exception of the February 10th game) will showcase the HEAT wearing the Red Hardwood Classic uniform.

Early March is going to be the Spanish ones: http://www.nba.com/heat/news/heat-unveil-new-uniforms
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 24, 2013, 08:39:11 PM
Watching Dallas - Lakers now. getting really sick of the 'Vince Carter OF OLD' meme - when did Vince ever stop dunking? Every single time he does something athletic people act like he hasn't done that since his rookie year on the Raptors. He's been very consistent, really, when not injured / 'injured'
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 24, 2013, 08:43:38 PM
Yup, Old Man Vince has still been jumping higher than 99% of the league

He was just born to fly
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 24, 2013, 08:46:25 PM
nice look at his career stats there...Clyde Drexler is a pretty good guy to be compared to. Everyone wanted more from him but they wanted more from Clyde too
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on February 24, 2013, 08:47:18 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 24, 2013, 08:39:11 PM
Watching Dallas - Lakers now. getting really sick of the 'Vince Carter OF OLD' meme - when did Vince ever stop dunking? Every single time he does something athletic people act like he hasn't done that since his rookie year on the Raptors. He's been very consistent, really, when not injured / 'injured'

Most people don't watch more than their favourite team occasionally and probably haven't seen Vince play since 2007, and just go by hearsay.

If they were talking about the "Richard Jefferson of old" dunking then I could agree.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 24, 2013, 08:52:35 PM
'most people' aren't commentating though - Jeff Van Gundy and Mike Breen watch Vince all the freakin' time. It's disappointing from the supposed experts
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2013, 09:00:44 PM
A funny thing is that Carter is actually dunking less often this season than any of the last three. (According to 82games anyhow.)
Quote from: pilonv1 on February 24, 2013, 08:47:18 PM
Most people don't watch more than their favourite team occasionally and probably haven't seen Vince play since 2007, and just go by hearsay.

If they were talking about the "Richard Jefferson of old" dunking then I could agree.
I think there's also an effect where people don't realize how few dunks a game players actually get. They may make up half the highlights of a game but that's often all the dunks in the course of a game. (And many of the rest are small putback dunks, etc.)

Factor in that Carter has seen his minutes drop from 40 a game to coming off the bench, etc. he may only get dunks every three or four games just from that while still dunking as often per minute.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 24, 2013, 09:10:44 PM
yeah - Bill Simmons had a fun bit where he talked about his kid expecting Blake to dunk on every possession. Just doesn't happen. You can lead the league with 2 dunks a game, and most of those will be unexciting.

I bet Vince will still be able to dunk at 50. Even older and tubbier, he still gets up pretty high, way higher than he needs to on an open dunk attempt. It's just not spectacular compared to young Vince or the guys in dunk contest now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 24, 2013, 09:31:12 PM
shit, can't barkely even still dunk
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 24, 2013, 09:52:23 PM
I didn't know Rodney Rogers was paralyzed.  :-\

I guess I just missed the news when it happened.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2013, 09:56:26 PM
The most limiting factor is probably just that Carter doesn't drive or get out on breaks as often or as easily as he did in his younger days.

Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 24, 2013, 09:52:23 PM
I didn't know Rodney Rogers was paralyzed.  :-\

I guess I just missed the news when it happened.
Yeah, that was a few years ago now.

I remember a story that after he retired he got a real job because he liked working with big construction equipment and trucks and stuff so much. He didn't need the money like many NBA players.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 24, 2013, 10:11:29 PM
It was 2008. I think he started his own company rather than 'got a job' but yeah, it seemed to be something he enjoyed.

In other news about ex-players....did you all know Karl Malone impregnated a 13 yr old? Fuck that guy for real

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=hill/080507
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 24, 2013, 10:21:56 PM
Wow at Mailman

That guy was always telling young guys how to act too.  What a fucking hypocrite!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 24, 2013, 10:27:14 PM
I knew about the various out-of-wedlock kids he dumped so my opinion was not high to begin with but this news is a new low for him

Another meme that needs to die 'Russell Westbrook is not a true PG'

ok well what about the 60 or so PGs in the league who average less assists than Westbrook, they must all  be REALLY shit (Westbrook is 5th in the league at 9 a game)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2013, 10:37:19 PM
That one ties into the whole "you need a pass-first point guard to win" when until the 2008 Celtics and 2011 Mavericks basically every title team since 1990 had a scoring point guard. (And Isiah and Magic weren't exactly Rondo/Stockton types in terms of scoring.)

A lot of people have this vision about how basketball is SUPPOSED TO BE PLAYED which is why Shaq wasn't really the best because he just "bullies" in the paint, etc.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 24, 2013, 10:42:41 PM
yup, I don't know why so many people separate a player's skills from his athletic abilities when judging his greatness

I've heard so many arguments that Lebron is not really a great basketball player just a great physical specimen.  Who gives a fuck if his superior performances are mostly due to athleticism and not skills? 

The only thing that matters is production.  Shaq with Duncan-like fundamentals but less power would still be a lesser player if he put up lesser numbers
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 24, 2013, 10:43:10 PM
I don't know how you argue for Russ passing more unless you really think Thabo Sefolosha needs more shots. I mean, people like to hate on Westbrook because Durant is one of the most efficient ever, but Durant's usage rate is already historically high...the only way he could get more touches would be to run the point himself basically
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on February 24, 2013, 10:43:29 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 24, 2013, 10:27:14 PM
I knew about the various out-of-wedlock kids he dumped so my opinion was not high to begin with but this news is a new low for him

Another meme that needs to die 'Russell Westbrook is not a true PG'

ok well what about the 60 or so PGs in the league who average less assists than Westbrook, they must all  be REALLY shit (Westbrook is 5th in the league at 9 a game)

If you were OKC, knowing what you do now, would you have traded Westbrook or Harden?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 24, 2013, 10:44:48 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 24, 2013, 10:42:41 PM
yup, I don't know why so many people separate a player's skills from his athletic abilities when judging his greatness

I've heard so many arguments that Lebron is not really a great basketball player just a great physical specimen.  Who gives a fuck if his superior performances are mostly due to athleticism and not skills? 

The only thing that matters is production.  Shaq with Duncan-like fundamentals but less power would still be a lesser player if he put up lesser numbers

unathletic white couch-dwellers like to judge according to their own perceived Protestant work/study ethic i guess...if you didn't learn it from a book it's not a real skill
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 24, 2013, 10:47:01 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 24, 2013, 10:43:29 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 24, 2013, 10:27:14 PM
I knew about the various out-of-wedlock kids he dumped so my opinion was not high to begin with but this news is a new low for him

Another meme that needs to die 'Russell Westbrook is not a true PG'

ok well what about the 60 or so PGs in the league who average less assists than Westbrook, they must all  be REALLY shit (Westbrook is 5th in the league at 9 a game)

If you were OKC, knowing what you do now, would you have traded Westbrook or Harden?

Amnesty Perk, keep both. And i'd probably have tried to develop Harden as the primary ballhandler and Westbrook at the SG (his college position) from the jump (I stress that that is with hindsight!). Move KD to the 4 full time and start Collison.

That line-up CRUSHED historically. A whole season of it? Fuuuuuuu
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2013, 10:51:01 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 24, 2013, 10:42:41 PM
I've heard so many arguments that Lebron is not really a great basketball player just a great physical specimen.  Who gives a fuck if his superior performances are mostly due to athleticism and not skills? 
I had a guy on another forum argue that he was more talented than LeBron and pointed to the fact that LeBron doesn't shoot over 80% from the line as supporting evidence. He considered hitting 80% from the line as the minimum standard for being considered a talented basketball player.

He said something like the only reason he wasn't at LeBron's level is that he didn't have NBA size. Dude had posted other times that he was like 6-2, 180.

Same guy considers Chris Paul to be massively overrated.  :dizzy
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 24, 2013, 10:56:01 PM
what height does he think Chris Paul is? :lol

LeBron doesn't actually have perfect shooting form, but as David Thorpe says, talent is when it goes in anyway.

I tend to think that the actual form doesn't matter so much as the form you use being consistent, and just having good AIM. See Joakim Noah, Kevin Martin etc. LeBron may have some weird mental thing going on where he can focus better in the flow of the game than on the FT line. It is something of an anomaly and you'd like it to be higher (the better to crush AWESOME-O's dreams) but then again it's not like his FT% is killing the team or anything
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2013, 11:18:34 PM
Personally I tend to overfocus and overthink with free throws because everything's stopped and I can start going "a little off to the left if I try to adjust just a bit this way to..." and altering my form and followthrough and stance and everything.

There was one of those stories about how Shaq or Ben Wallace would hit 70-80% in practice and then in the games would overcorrect or overapply whatever "tweak" they had been learning and it'd throw everything off worse than it was before.

If LeBron started hitting 85+% at the line we'd be approaching one of those "why bother playing the games" type situations. Especially if this three point thing isn't a fluke.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 24, 2013, 11:20:27 PM
shaq never shot better than 80% from the line, but top-tier shaq was a fucking beast

that dude's a moron.  does he even consider centers as good players?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 24, 2013, 11:36:29 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 24, 2013, 10:37:19 PM
A lot of people have this vision about how basketball is SUPPOSED TO BE PLAYED which is why Shaq wasn't really the best because he just "bullies" in the paint, etc.

There's a strong tendency to turn team sports into a morality play.  The Right Way to play football is defense and a power running game, The Right Way to play baseball is pitching, defense, small ball, etc.  Granted, Larry Brown always used that phrase and a lot of that stuff was just plain right (don't turn the ball over or make sloppy turnovers on offense, stay focused and remember the gameplan on defense), but there's just a lot of crap from blowhard fans and sportswriters.

Inverting The Pyramid, a book about the evolution of soccer tactics, was pretty interesting for me because it showed over and over for the better part of a century how the sports cultures of different countries have freaked out about changes in the style of play from what they were used to or considered proper.  Plus it added this nationalistic dimension of everyone fretting that they were going to lose their unique footballing heritage on one hand, or freaking out that they'd be left behind if they couldn't adopt foreign, modern tactics.

So yeah, you don't need a pass-first PG or an offense that starts by dumping it into the low post.  The fact that there are multiple strategies and styles that are viable at the championship level is something that should be enjoyed by fans rather than humbugged.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2013, 11:54:15 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 24, 2013, 11:36:29 PM
Inverting The Pyramid, a book about the evolution of soccer tactics, was pretty interesting for me because it showed over and over for the better part of a century how the sports cultures of different countries have freaked out about changes in the style of play from what they were used to or considered proper.  Plus it added this nationalistic dimension of everyone fretting that they were going to lose their unique footballing heritage on one hand, or freaking out that they'd be left behind if they couldn't adopt foreign, modern tactics.
I'll have to check that out, sounds pretty interesting even if one is not really a soccer fan.

Laker fans were certainly underrepresented in complaining about how Shaq played and do seem to be over-represented in complaints about LeBron (and this "positionless evolution" in general), as one example.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 25, 2013, 12:11:48 AM
It doesn't help that the format of most sports journalism, like political or standard journalism, often isn't conducive or open to much more than short clashes between those type of statements. Skip Bayless vs. Stephen A. Smith or PTI only really differs from something like Crossfire/Hardball/Hannity and Colmes in terms of its topics. Sports talk radio and conservative talk radio isn't really that different either. When you do have something like Mark Cuban asking Skip what the Mavericks actually did against LeBron it's Cuban who's violating the rules and norms.

Not to blame them necessarily, audiences don't really want anything different. Forums like RealGM prove that.

Like Cormac said, the real frustrating thing is when people who do know better fall back on it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2013, 01:33:50 AM
At least Shaq had post moves and great foot work. Unlike Dwight Howard
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on February 25, 2013, 01:26:32 PM
OKC signed up Derek Fisher

http://www.nba.com/2013/news/02/25/thunder-sign-derrick-fisher.ap/index.html (http://www.nba.com/2013/news/02/25/thunder-sign-derrick-fisher.ap/index.html)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2013, 01:52:55 PM
Veteran leadership +17 bonus
Intelligence +11 bonus
Defense -6 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 25, 2013, 01:53:47 PM
So weird. I don't know why they keep bringing him back.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 25, 2013, 02:14:40 PM
as far as I remember he hit a few clutch threes last year in the playoffs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 25, 2013, 03:56:28 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime)

quite possibly the dumbest article I've read in a long time
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 25, 2013, 04:17:13 PM
Teams are financially burdened by guaranteed deals for players who don't produce.  We need shorter contracts!

Teams have to deal with constant speculation about their stars leaving when their deals expire.  We need longer contracts!

Fix the system!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2013, 04:38:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45vpYlKoAuQ
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 25, 2013, 05:17:49 PM
what the fuck

I can't even see the ball
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on February 25, 2013, 05:23:18 PM
Why the fuck doesn't he do the dunk contest?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 25, 2013, 09:24:09 PM
i dunno really. Pre-ring, I can see why he'd want to avoid Vince Carter Syndrome and go the 'I'm only focused on a championship' route. But now it's at the point where he's starting to look like a pussy for not doing it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on February 25, 2013, 09:29:14 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 24, 2013, 11:54:15 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 24, 2013, 11:36:29 PM
Inverting The Pyramid, a book about the evolution of soccer tactics, was pretty interesting for me because it showed over and over for the better part of a century how the sports cultures of different countries have freaked out about changes in the style of play from what they were used to or considered proper.  Plus it added this nationalistic dimension of everyone fretting that they were going to lose their unique footballing heritage on one hand, or freaking out that they'd be left behind if they couldn't adopt foreign, modern tactics.
I'll have to check that out, sounds pretty interesting even if one is not really a soccer fan.

I've got it as well, it's awesome. Even the first chapter alone where one team complains because the other team started passing rather than dribbling around them is amazing
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on February 25, 2013, 09:29:34 PM
I wish the NBA could just say "fuck you, you're doing the dunk contest" to whoever they want.

I also think when it's all said and done one of the reasons Jordan will be more fondly than Lebron is his dunk wins.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 25, 2013, 09:52:23 PM
23/22 with 2 steals and 2 blocks from Horford.

21 from JONAS JEREBKO! 16 in the fourth and a couple of dunks. Sweet behind the back pass.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 26, 2013, 12:10:18 AM
Quote
Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA
Several sources believe the Jazz will keep Raja Bell simply so he doesn't sign with the Lakers. Utah and L.A. will compete for playoff spot.
Nobody wants to help L.A. A lot of people are enjoying their struggles. It proves the rich don't always get richer and super teams can fail.
For what it's worth, Raja Bell has been telling players and friends around the league that he'll join the Lakers. We'll see if it happens.

http://www.nba.com/2013/news/features/david_aldridge/02/25/morning-tip-trade-deadline-recap-kenneth-faried-stand-q-and-a-yao-ming/index.html
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The Clips stood pat, but not by their basketball people's choice. L.A. and Washington had a done deal Wednesday night that would have sent forward Trevor Ariza to the Clippers in exchange for Caron Butler, giving L.A. a long, defensive-oriented body to throw at the likes of Kevin Durant in the playoffs. (Butler, who still has an offseason home in the D.C. area, and who was loved by the locals, didn't have a problem returning to a non-Arenas Wizards locker room. He'd have been welcomed back as a much-needed offensive option, according to sources.)

But sources indicated that Clippers owner Donald Sterling nixed the deal Thursday morning, not wanting to gamble on the team's chemistry being affected in any way down the stretch. My interpretation: we don't want to do anything that could, in any way, be held against us by assistant general manager Chris Paul this summer if we don't get far in the postseason.
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By the way, here's what happened between Gregg Popovich and Howard during the All-Star Game, according to a source who witnessed it: in the third quarter, Pop called out a play, but Howard jacked up a corner three instead. Pop immediately turned to the bench and said 'get him the (bleep) out.' That was it, really. No extended swearing or shouting, just Pop being Pop.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 26, 2013, 12:39:50 AM
Pop :bow2

(btw that interview with Dwight after that 3 was one of the cringiest things I've ever seen)

I like that Chris Paul is running the Clippers, like a boss. If the alternative is Sterling, let him go for it. Bledsoe for KG would have been killer for them, and strategically it would have prevented OKC from getting KG for Perkins etc. But it turned out everybody basically stood down at the 11th hour
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 26, 2013, 01:24:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2AlFrOj5Mc
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 26, 2013, 03:37:02 PM
-few feet inside FT line
-clearly was next to the guy (where did his left foot go?)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 26, 2013, 03:56:35 PM
Psh, look at that guy coasting on his athleticism.  Show some fundamentals!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 26, 2013, 04:04:51 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 26, 2013, 03:56:35 PM
Psh, look at that guy coasting on his athleticism.  Show some fundamentals, boy!

fixed for historical accuracy
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 26, 2013, 07:42:37 PM
:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2013, 11:55:10 PM
Kings versus Heat was a pretty crazy game tonight. just got through watching it on league pass.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 27, 2013, 12:08:09 AM
The Kings are nice when they give a fuck. Good to see all the players the Kings traded for get 12 minutes so far in three games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 27, 2013, 12:24:13 AM
Dirk had 20 rebounds*?  :o And the Mavs lost?  :o

Mike James, PG   11   0-4
Vince Carter, SG   26   0-8   

Mike James is turrible.

*Andrea Bargnani has less than 20 rebounds in the entire month of February. In his defense, the month is only 28 days long.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 27, 2013, 12:55:36 AM
heh, Blake THREW the lob tonight, to DeAndre Jordan. From the top of the key no less. :bow2

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 27, 2013, 01:38:44 PM
btw Lebron's PER right now is at 31.94. If he finished the season there it would be the highest single season per on record.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 27, 2013, 01:42:21 PM
 :troll :troll :troll :gladbron :gladbron :gladbron :troll :troll :troll
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 27, 2013, 08:08:26 PM
LP didn't have the Heat-Kings game from yesterday so catching up on it now. They showed the pre-game dunk highlights too, :o

Also, you have to wonder if the young Chris Andersen realized he'd grow up to be the world's first and only 6'10'' tattooed chicken.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 27, 2013, 08:16:15 PM
Another  mind-blowing LeBron factoid - his LOWEST FG% this season was 52. Meaning he essentially hasn't had an off-night all season. May hit 64% for Feb, which would be the first time anyone has done that for a month
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 27, 2013, 08:49:27 PM
 :troll--[stats, stats, stats, stats]

 :childplease--[rings, rings, rings, rings, rings]

 :orly

 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 27, 2013, 10:25:50 PM
You probably should turn on ESPN to the Knicks warriors game. Curry is going off.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 27, 2013, 10:29:12 PM
will queue up the whole game next, cheers
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 27, 2013, 10:33:25 PM
Insane. Might be the best shooting game I've ever seen from a player.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 27, 2013, 10:42:24 PM
Crazy game
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on February 27, 2013, 10:48:51 PM
Holy hell that game was amazing. Now me and my parents regret not going.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 27, 2013, 11:23:10 PM
fucking knicks
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 27, 2013, 11:49:08 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fByU-H8qRhE
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on February 28, 2013, 12:06:53 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 27, 2013, 11:23:10 PM
fucking knicks
Why do you care? We weren't playing Lebron or the Cavs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 28, 2013, 12:18:38 AM
I wouldve liked to see curry be able to lift em to a win
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 28, 2013, 02:59:36 AM
time for a 76er update i think Brand New
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2013, 03:20:25 AM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_letxg7x2uP1qd3c98o1_400.jpg)|

Quote
In November, former WNBA star Chamique Holdsclaw was arrested after a violent incident involving an ex-girlfriend. According to reports, Holdsclaw followed Jennifer Lacy (her ex and teammate with the Atlanta Dream in 2009) in her car, smashed windows in Lacy's car with a baseball bat, and even fired a gunshot into the car while Lacy was still inside. It was an awful, disturbing story involving a woman who was once the biggest name in her sport.

On Wednesday, Holdsclaw was indicted on charges related to this incident. From Rachel George for USA Today (via Deadspin):
Quote
Former WNBA star Chamique Holdsclaw was indicted on six counts by a Fulton (Ga.) County grand jury on Wednesday in relation to a November incident with her ex-girlfriend.
Holdsclaw, 35, faces two counts of aggravated assault, one count of criminal damage in the first degree, two counts of criminal damage in the second degree and one count of possession of a firearm in commission of a felony. [...]
"We're still working with the DA's office in Fulton County," Holdsclaw's attorney, Patrick Sullivan, told USA TODAY Sports Wednesday, adding that he could not comment further at this time.
According to TMZ.com, Holdsclaw could face up to 65 years in prison if found guilty on all six counts.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/former-wnba-star-chamique-holdsclaw-indicted-faces-65-011137191--nba.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 28, 2013, 03:27:43 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDNgnaz48mE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6ZkhhJ8gwg
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 28, 2013, 07:00:14 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 27, 2013, 08:16:15 PM
Another  mind-blowing LeBron factoid - his LOWEST FG% this season was 52. Meaning he essentially hasn't had an off-night all season. May hit 64% for Feb, which would be the first time anyone has done that for a month

Nah, that's his low mark for February.  Which is still fairly insane.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 28, 2013, 01:00:15 PM
Knicks started off the season 18-5. Since then they've been basically .500 at  16-15
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 28, 2013, 01:17:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT3ePwDPp-Q

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 28, 2013, 07:52:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir2TdfSwH8g
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 28, 2013, 08:04:17 PM
Keenly await Smooth's analysis of LeBron's BF%
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 28, 2013, 11:08:13 PM
(http://bit.ly/Y3foHq)

Ricky is looking a lot better in the past few weeks  :-*

also, holy shit, almost 200pgs :bow

best Bore non-sticky ever
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on February 28, 2013, 11:13:13 PM
Imagine how good Ricky would be with some competent shooters, instead of Ridnour, Barea and Williams
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 28, 2013, 11:34:50 PM
TWolves are just comedy levels of injured but yeah. Love will be their best shooter by far when he gets back I think
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on March 01, 2013, 01:47:52 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on February 28, 2013, 11:34:50 PM
TWolves are just comedy levels of injured but yeah. Love will be their best shooter by far when he gets back I think

I'd say Air Bud when he is fit because Love is just a big chucker, but he's probably back first.

I'd like to see Rubio play with guys like Ray Allen and Nic Batum. Would be magical.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 01, 2013, 01:56:49 AM
i'd like to see him on the 2001 Sac Kings baby, Webber, Divac, Peja and Rubio oh mah gerrdddd
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on March 01, 2013, 03:19:48 AM
I don't think there's anything better in basketball than great passing
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 01, 2013, 03:57:47 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9001228/mayor-kevin-johnson-reveals-plan-keep-sacramento-kings-moving-seattle

Mastrov the 24hour fitness owner will be the big money bidder and Burkle will be the one working on the arena. It was nice to see Mitch Richmond contribute to the minority ownership group.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 01, 2013, 04:21:37 PM
Quote from: etiolate on March 01, 2013, 03:57:47 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9001228/mayor-kevin-johnson-reveals-plan-keep-sacramento-kings-moving-seattle

Mastrov the 24hour fitness owner will be the big money bidder and Burkle will be the one working on the arena. It was nice to see Mitch Richmond contribute to the minority ownership group.

Mastrov is only estimated to be worth around $350 million. Strange that Burkle isn't involved in purchasing the team at all. The next 6-7 weeks are going to be interesting. It could still go either way.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 01, 2013, 04:31:49 PM
Mastrov's value is higher than that or he wouldn't be the only one tied to the ownership bid. Don't forget he bid like 425 million on the Warriors. The actual bid on the Kings was like 300 something from the Seattle group, so this is actually cheaper for Mastrov. Burkle is doing the Arena because he has ties to AEG.

edit: I should say that Mastrov has more money than that. He sold off 24 hour fitness for 1.6 billion.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 01, 2013, 04:39:23 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9003370/andrew-bynum-philadelphia-76ers-suffers-another-setback-practicing


Quote
Bynum experienced swelling and discomfort in his right knee after the practice, he told reporters in Philadelphia on Friday. Bynum had believed for months that rest and rehab on bone bruises in both knees would allow him to play this season. Just 10 days ago he declared he'd "definitely be back sometime" this season.

"It's getting late. I don't know [about playing this season]," Bynum said. "I don't want to play in pain. ... I'm 25, it's my life."
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 01, 2013, 05:28:21 PM
clusterfuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on March 01, 2013, 06:48:43 PM
Quote from: etiolate on March 01, 2013, 03:57:47 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9001228/mayor-kevin-johnson-reveals-plan-keep-sacramento-kings-moving-seattle

Mastrov the 24hour fitness owner will be the big money bidder and Burkle will be the one working on the arena. It was nice to see Mitch Richmond contribute to the minority ownership group.

He made a bid for the Warriors too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 01, 2013, 07:09:54 PM
Grizz versus heat
Nuggets versus thunder

Both on espn tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 01, 2013, 07:11:13 PM
some good ones.  can't wait.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on March 01, 2013, 08:40:15 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 01, 2013, 07:09:54 PM
Grizz versus heat
Nuggets versus thunder

Both on espn tonight.

also with ESPN commentators :yuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 01, 2013, 09:45:15 PM
The Grizz and the Pacers are two teams the Heat struggle with and the same is happening tonight. Lebron not having a good game isn't helping either.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 01, 2013, 10:09:56 PM
Lebron is god damn awful tonight on offense. Stop taking jumpers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 01, 2013, 10:41:59 PM
Not a pretty win for the heat but a win is a win.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 02, 2013, 01:14:59 AM
Great Okc nuggets game.

Also this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-2L7SR-1Ng
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 03, 2013, 01:04:51 AM
(http://i.minus.com/iVRDBeAe6hmF4.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 03, 2013, 11:34:06 AM
What kind of GM builds a team around Rudy Gay, DeMar DeRozan, and Andrea Bargnani (nearly $40 million in salary right there next season).
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 03, 2013, 12:16:51 PM
Miami at New York
OKC at the Clippers

Both on ABC starting at 1 est.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 03, 2013, 02:00:22 PM
Knicks giving Miami trouble again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 03, 2013, 03:17:41 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on March 03, 2013, 11:34:06 AM
What kind of GM builds a team around Rudy Gay, DeMar DeRozan, and Andrea Bargnani (nearly $40 million in salary right there next season).

GM's whose first big plans at rebuilding don't pan out after 3-4 years have a tendency to compound their earlier mistakes by making win-now moves to save their own jobs, even though that means overpaying for mid-tier veterans on a roster that's nowhere near sniffing contention.

Also these Rube Goldberg salary cap/luxury tax rules create their own sort of logic, though I don't think they justify acquiring Gay.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 03, 2013, 03:22:16 PM
Great block there by Lebron.

edit: lol, got away with a grab there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 03, 2013, 03:35:03 PM
dunk daggers are best daggers
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 03, 2013, 03:36:00 PM
Nice Miami comeback there. I was about to rage post at halftime but held it back.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 03, 2013, 03:38:01 PM
I foresee the heat's streak ending on the 10th against Indiana.

17 game win streak is still good.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on March 03, 2013, 03:58:02 PM
Knicks bitch to much about calls. Tyson sat on the floor complaining about not getting a call while everyone ran down the court. Easy bucket for Miami. Stop that shit.

That and their constant switching on defense cost them this game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 04, 2013, 11:19:45 PM
lulz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlrkK4vS7kE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqrDESgYQUE
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2013, 12:39:55 AM
Might want to take a seat Awesom-o, this will give you a boner
Quote
I've been a professional athletic trainer for about 16 years and have been able to work with a range of athletes from the high school to professional level. Right now I run in a clinic in Cincinnati and have most recently been training with some players on the Bengals.

I activated my reddit account just a moment ago and because I've been seeing the videos of Kobe's most recent dunks and the comments you guys have had to share I decided I might as well chime in what I know about the man. And let me just state by saying that this story doesn't touch on anything we don't know about Kobe but rather that he simply is not human when he is working on his craft.

I was invited to Las Vegas this past Summer to help Team USA with their conditioning before they head off to London, and as we know they would eventually bring home the Gold (USA). I've had the opportunity to work with Carmelo Anthony and Dwyane Wade in the past but this would be my first interaction with Kobe. We first met three days before the first scrimmage, on the day of the first practice, early July. It was a brief conversation where we talked about conditioning, where he would like to be by the end of the Summer, and we talked a little bit about the hustle of the Select Team. Then he got my number and I let him know that if he ever wanted some extra training he could hit me up any time.

The night before the first scrimmage I remember I was just watched "Casablanca" for the first time and it was about 3:30 AM. I lay in bed, slowly fading away when I hear my cell ring. It was Kobe. I nervously picked up.
"Hey, uhh Rob, I hope I'm not disturbing anything right?"
"Uhh no, what's up Kob?"
"Just wondering if you could just help me out with some conditioning work, that's all."
I checked my clock. 4:15 AM.
"Yeah sure, I'll see you in the facility in a bit."
It took me about twenty minutes to get my gear and out of the hotel. When I arrived and opened the room to the main practice floor I saw Kobe. Alone. He was drenched in sweat as if he had just taken a swim. It wasn't even 5AM.
We did some conditioning work for the next hour and fifteen minutes. Then we entered the weight room, where he would do a multitude of strength training exercises for the next 45 minutes. After that we parted ways and he went back to the practice floor to shoot. I went back to the hotel and crashed. Wow.
I was expected to be at the floor again at about 11 AM. I woke up feeling sleepy, drowsy, and almost pretty much every side effect of sleep deprivation. Thanks, Kobe. I had a bagel and headed to the practice facility.

This next part I remember very vividly. All the Team USA players were there, feeling good for the first scrimmage. LeBron was talking to Carmelo if I remember correctly and Coach Krzyzewski was trying to explain something to Kevin Durant. On the right side of the practice facility was Kobe by himself shooting jumpers. And this is how our next conversation went -- I went over to him, patted him on the back and said, "Good work this morning."
"Huh?"
"Like, the conditioning. Good work."
"Oh. Yeah, thanks Rob. I really appreciate it."
"So when did you finish?"
"Finish what?"
"Getting your shots up. What time did you leave the facility?"
"Oh just now. I wanted 800 makes so yeah, just now."
My jaw dropped. Mother of holy God. It was then that I realized that there's no surprise to why he's been as effective as he was last season. Every story about his dedication, every quote that he's said about hard work all came together and hit me like a train. It's no surprise to me now that he's dunking on players ten years younger than him and it wasn't a surprise to me earlier this year when he led the league in scoring.
Thanks for reading and allowing me to share you my Kobe Bryant story. If anyone has any questions I can clarify. Sorry if the story was at all hard to follow as this is my first time on reddit.
Rob.
http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/19o38z/hi_rnba_my_name_is_robert_and_im_an_athletic/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 05, 2013, 12:42:47 AM
800 makes and he still shoots a much lower percentage than the King  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 05, 2013, 12:52:19 AM
 :troll
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 05, 2013, 01:03:17 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2013, 12:39:55 AM
Might want to take a seat Awesom-o, this will give you a boner
Quote

The night before the first scrimmage I remember I had just watched "Casablanca" for the first time and it was about 3:30 AM. I lay in bed, slowly fading away when I hear my cell ring. It was Kobe. I nervously picked up.
http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/19o38z/hi_rnba_my_name_is_robert_and_im_an_athletic/

Excellent story.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 05, 2013, 01:18:28 AM
I don't think anybody's ever doubted Kobe's worth ethic. In fact it's the opposite. That him being a basketball machine has maybe hampered more of his normal human elements.

No way to prove such a thing but I also feel Kobe is a lot smarter than your average player or jock in general. Which has always disappointed me because of how he conducts himself in some situations.

But he is marvel at his age. Watching him destroy the Hawks the other day is a testament to how he refuses to let his game slip to a Allen Iverson type level which I kinda thought was his destiny maybe 6 or so seasons back.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 05, 2013, 07:06:07 PM
Lakers at OKC tonight on TNT.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 05, 2013, 08:05:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVW-ZeMeh5E
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 05, 2013, 08:40:23 PM
Kobe will be first in line for Simmons' call for PED testing on Grantland I'm sure
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 05, 2013, 11:01:01 PM
This game so far is exactly why I don't get why Lakers fans want their team in the playoffs. I mean I get it from a strictly ego sense but it gets them nothing and they are gonna get bounced in the first round. They scare no one. If I was a fan I would have rooted for the utter disaster season to maybe get a higher pick because getting to the first round and getting bounced for them is pointless.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2013, 11:06:48 PM
It's been explained to me by Laker fans that their culture is different. They always demand championships, so you go to the playoffs to win one no matter what.

Deliberately losing to improve the team long term is what other, loser franchises do. Not the Lakers. The Lakers are about winning championships.

Not winning a title makes them just like the other 28 loser franchises each year and that's always unacceptable. Lakers culture is better than that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 05, 2013, 11:10:11 PM
plus, a million bucks or so in pure profit from every playoff game played at Staples

would be totally worth the Lakers making it if we got Clips vs Lakers though
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 05, 2013, 11:12:08 PM
Good job by OKC pulling away despite some dubious calls during early and mid 2nd quarter
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 05, 2013, 11:14:31 PM
Kevin Martin's jumper STILL takes me by surprise
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 05, 2013, 11:14:32 PM
the lakers are absolute trash
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 05, 2013, 11:18:32 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 05, 2013, 11:06:48 PM
It's been explained to me by Laker fans that their culture is different. They always demand championships, so you go to the playoffs to win one no matter what.

That's the thing though. When/if they get crushed and swept out in the first round, to me that is more embarrassing than not making it because it truly shows the gulf between them and the really good teams. It's like a rich person...... I can't even think of a proper analogy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 05, 2013, 11:20:45 PM
Lakers culture is based on claiming you root for the best team without actually following sports. So when the Lakers don't win the title then it really fucks the whole thing up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2013, 11:28:57 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 05, 2013, 11:18:32 PM
That's the thing though. When/if they get crushed and swept out in the first round, to me that is more embarrassing than not making it because it truly shows the gulf between them and the really good teams. It's like a rich person...... I can't even think of a proper analogy.
They tried instead of giving up and admitting they're losers!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 05, 2013, 11:31:11 PM
Duders.

I understand the how the draft warps incentives for lousy teams in American pro sports.

But surely rooting for one's team to win is still the default, expected behavior of a fanbase, that doesn't need to be explained as a particular neurosis or false consciousness?  Especially for a ~.500 team looking to re-sign a veteran star with an expiring contract, ahead of a weak draft?  I mean, they want their team to win.  I want my team to win.  You want your team to win.  We all might be crazy, but not for that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 05, 2013, 11:31:48 PM
I guess the comparison would be the Celtics who have essentially been living off of moral victories the last few years by performing a lot better in the playoffs than they did during the regular season. There are so many differences though in their situations where its not gonna happen like it did for the Celtics.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 05, 2013, 11:34:03 PM
Celtics would win against the Lakers in a 7 game series
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 05, 2013, 11:34:52 PM
So they should be tanking for... Mason Plumlee?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 05, 2013, 11:35:27 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 05, 2013, 11:31:11 PM
Duders.

I understand the how the draft warps incentives for lousy teams in American pro sports.

But surely rooting for one's team to win is still the default, expected behavior of a fanbase, that doesn't need to be explained as a particular neurosis or false consciousness?  Especially for a ~.500 team looking to re-sign a veteran star with an expiring contract, ahead of a weak draft?  I mean, they want their team to win.  I want my team to win.  You want your team to win.  We all might be crazy, but not for that.

I want my team to win generally speaking but there are certainly situations where I see the handwriting on the wall and prefer a different outcome. I do believe in the idea of moral victories in certain situation. I guess I just don't see the moral victory here. And there are absolutely times where I wish for my team to lose. I'm still a small magic fan and I wish that team went 0-82 or whatever guarantees them a chance for the top pick. I actually was happy they started losing a lot more after they started off the season performing a lot better than they were supposed to.

Quote from: Mandark on March 05, 2013, 11:34:52 PM
So they should be tanking for... Mason Plumlee?
I'm not trying to tell anybody else how to root. I'm just saying how I root I guess. Not a big deal so I've posted all I really want to on it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 05, 2013, 11:36:18 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 05, 2013, 11:10:11 PM
plus, a million bucks or so in pure profit from every playoff game played at Staples

would be totally worth the Lakers making it if we got Clips vs Lakers though

yup, huge deal for Lakers management if not the fans

Jerry Buss' kids are gonna pay a huge estate tax which is also why people are betting on no coaching change for awhile
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 05, 2013, 11:37:51 PM
Stoney: Yeah, but in this particular case are Lakers fans particularly irrational for rooting for their team?  What's the cost/benefit here?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 05, 2013, 11:42:26 PM
who cares, bottom line is lakers suck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2013, 11:43:49 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 05, 2013, 11:31:11 PM
You want your team to win.
Not yet.

Andre needs a backcourt Robin to go with his frontcourt Nightwing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 05, 2013, 11:44:18 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 05, 2013, 11:37:51 PM
Stoney: Yeah, but in this particular case are Lakers fans particularly irrational for rooting for their team?  What's the cost/benefit here?

I get rooting for a playoff spot when it doesn't matter in some cases. Like for a young team. And truly for the Lakers now it doesn't matter unless they lose every single game from here on out because essentially the Lakers have turned it around and climbed back into contention. So yeah If I'm being strictly logical then yeah I get it because it doesn't matter if your draft pick is the 16th pick or the 17th pick that late. (Hell I honestly don't even know if the Lakers have their pick for the draft) A couple of weeks ago though the picture wasn't quite as rosy and there was a real chance they could have flamed out in a big way. I think the flameout would have been better for them.

This is such a lost season for the Lakers that from a fan perspective I personally wouldn't get one iota of enjoyment out of a playoff game versus not making it. I guess it depends on if a fan really thought the Lakers were dangerous as an 8th seed. I've lost that fear of them though as I think most of the league has.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 05, 2013, 11:46:27 PM
 Lakers have no 1st round pick this year though
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 05, 2013, 11:47:16 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 05, 2013, 11:46:27 PM
Lakers have no 1st round pick this year though

Yeah I thought about that during the last post which makes the whole thing moot.  >:(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2013, 11:52:49 PM
Nah, Mitch is going to sign-and-trade Antawn Jamison for two top five picks. And they'll bring in Tyreke to apprentice under Kobe. Sign Korver and Ben Gordon for some outside shooting. Shit will be on lock down next year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 05, 2013, 11:53:11 PM
Hell, even if they did they were never in the bottom 10 in records, plus it's a crappy draft, plus their offseason hinges on bringing back Dwight (and crossing their fingers that he gets fully healthy and this isn't the new normal).  Even a very marginal advantage in keeping him around has to outweigh moving up a couple of spots in the middle of what's meant to be an unimpressive draft class.

Rooting for a full-on flaming wreck of a season when you know the team's bad and there's a Tim Duncan/LeBron waiting for you makes sense, but you can absolutely be too quick to tank.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 05, 2013, 11:53:44 PM
I thought we were just mocking how fairweather Laker fans are that one defined their own culture by it with a sense of pride.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 05, 2013, 11:55:03 PM
benji: The biggest Lakers fan I know IRL is convinced that 1) Dwight Howard is a complete worthless bum, and 2) the Lakers should be able to get either Kyrie Irving or both Tyreke Evans and DeMarcus Cousins for him.

Cause you know, Cleveland and Sacreattle would both be pretty confident on getting him signed to an extension.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 05, 2013, 11:55:34 PM
Quote from: etiolate on March 05, 2013, 11:53:44 PM
I thought we were just mocking how fairweather Laker fans are that one defined their own culture by it with a sense of pride.

I was mocking the draft thing along with the recent resurgence of Lakers pride in them being a dark horse as they got closer to that 8th spot in the past week or so.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2013, 11:55:43 PM
Lakers should have tanked to draft Trey Burke  :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 05, 2013, 11:57:21 PM
Hey, as deterministic as the NBA playoffs are compared to the other pro leagues, no shame in trying to sneak in and hoping for a series of fortunate blown ligaments.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 06, 2013, 12:16:23 AM
Quote from: Mandark on March 05, 2013, 11:55:03 PM
benji: The biggest Lakers fan I know IRL is convinced that 1) Dwight Howard is a complete worthless bum, and 2) the Lakers should be able to get either Kyrie Irving or both Tyreke Evans and DeMarcus Cousins for him.

Cause you know, Cleveland and Sacreattle would both be pretty confident on getting him signed to an extension.
One guy I know lusted after Dwight for two years to replace the "shitty useless Gasol" and now he just wants the Lakers to not even bother signing him but hopes Mitch can trick somebody into a deal like that.

I still don't know why Laker fans think Mitch is some genius, he's basically been handed all four of his big trades (including the Paul deal) and in all his years at the helm has never shown the ability to put together a decent bench. Kobe, Shaq and Malone basically were the leads and did the work on their big free agent signings. The rest of them were things like Samaki Walker.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 06, 2013, 12:22:11 AM
Their consistent lack of a bench is almost impressive.  In Kupchak's defense, the ability to spot a sucker can be a huge advantage for an NBA personnel man.  See Robinson, Thomas.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 06, 2013, 12:37:22 AM
But Lakers fans don't think  Mitch is a genius

They've been killing him and Jim Buss since the Lakers lost to Dallas in the playoffs

Mandark is dead on about Dwight, current Lakers fans have this insane propensity to blame everyone but Kobe

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 06, 2013, 12:49:35 AM
the fact that this media tongue-ing as of late in regards to his apparent youthful play is going on just keeps on perpetuating the notion that none of this is kobe's fault.

but its fuckball that mostly got them here, and funnily enough, its going to be fuckball that gets them the 8th seed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 06, 2013, 01:03:52 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on March 06, 2013, 12:57:27 AM
Why the fuck would you root for the team to not make the playoffs? Even getting swept in the first round is better than not making it at all. Besides that, they lost a winnable game tonight without Gasol, and on the road, on a night when Westbrook went off. Who says it's a four game sweep? It could go longer than that. If they manage to draw San Antonio instead, they might even advance a round.

I can't believe anyone would seriously suggest that fans should prefer to see their team finish 9th instead of 8th. Fuck that.

dude you can't honestly believe this.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 06, 2013, 01:07:04 AM
Refs make it much more winnable than it really was

How often is the away team going to shoot 16 more fts than the home team?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
unless, of course, you're playing with this guy  :crazybron
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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 06, 2013, 01:09:57 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on March 06, 2013, 12:57:27 AM
I can't believe anyone would seriously suggest that fans should prefer to see their team finish 9th instead of 8th. Fuck that.

Actually if you read my later posts you would have seen that I didn't say that.

As far as the rest you're entitled to your opinion. I just don't have the same delusion as you that the Lakers are any good this season or that they've been "unlucky" as you keep insisting throughout the thread.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 06, 2013, 01:15:11 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on March 06, 2013, 01:12:36 AM
A sub-.500 record with a positive points differential is the very definition of unlucky. Just as Golden State's record is exactly the opposite. It means a disproportionate percentage of late-game lucky breaks are going your way.

The results will speak for themselves. The Lakers will either scrabble to a 8th place finish to get the crap kicked out of them in the first round or they will miss the playoffs. Neither result is good for all the expectations they had. When the book is written on this season, "unlucky" will be nowhere to be found.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers unluckiest team in league)
Post by: Mandark on March 06, 2013, 01:30:45 AM
Spurs are +9 a game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers unluckiest team in league)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 06, 2013, 01:32:23 AM
I was 12 when I made that user name everywhere

are you going to make fun of a 12 year old
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers unluckiest team in league)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 06, 2013, 01:37:29 AM
I don't know that we learned anything much from today. The Lakers have been playing better than an 8th seed but nobody was expecting them to beat OKC at this point.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers unluckiest team in league)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 06, 2013, 01:42:31 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 06, 2013, 01:37:29 AM
I don't know that we learned anything much from today. The Lakers have been playing better than an 8th seed but nobody was expecting them to beat OKC at this point.

at least one guy did

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers unluckiest team in league)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 06, 2013, 01:44:46 AM
there's no shame in that Smooth, you are an Angeleno to the core after all
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers unluckiest team in league)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 06, 2013, 02:00:11 AM
I texted "Lakers #1" to all my Lakers loving friends today  :crazybron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers unluckiest team in league)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 06, 2013, 02:09:53 AM
I think most of it depends on how Dwight Howard is. If this is the real dwight howard the Lakers are going to be getting then they are in trouble. If Dwight Howard is the Dwight Howard of old next season then they are a different team even though I still don't like a lot of the aging pieces and how they fit together. Just him being really good on defense would be a huge step up though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers unluckiest team in league)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 06, 2013, 02:17:21 AM
Lakers got too many selfish players that just want more buckets

other than Dwight and Pau, nobody complains about D'antoni system because it gets them more pts/game

but as seen today, that run and gun style obviously won't get them far with the current personnel
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers unluckiest team in league)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 06, 2013, 02:23:12 AM
Quote from: Exodust SoulBurn on March 06, 2013, 02:16:55 AM
Is there any indication that he'd stick around, though?

Most people believe he will. For a myriad of reasons. Money and him being a knucklehead leading the charge at the moment.

Dwight had back surgery in the off-season or close to it and that's why most people assume he's not quite right. The conventional wisdom is to assume he will be able to recover this off-season and return to his form of old next season although some players have never quite recovered from back surgery to be the player they were.
 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers unluckiest team in league)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 06, 2013, 02:52:05 AM
It doesn't make sense for anyone else to be the focus though, unless you really want to pander to Dwight's ego. Pau has been horrible, Nash is almost my age...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers unluckiest team in league)
Post by: Mandark on March 06, 2013, 02:59:35 AM
For all the talk about pieces not fitting together, the Lakers have a good offense.  Kobe isn't killing them and I don't think you could get much better results trying to run things differently with the personnel they've got.  The bigger problem is that they need peak Dwight Howard to cover for the age and defensive shortcomings of the rest of the roster.  Having Ariza rather than Artest at this point would probably help them, but they did win a ring after that switch, so you can't blame them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers unluckiest team in league)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 06, 2013, 03:05:51 AM
slow-ass perimeter d, and a big man that can't show and recover like he used to. It'll likely get better next season as Dwight recovers but then the old guys will be a year older. They really need a couple of defensive guards off the bench but despite all the supposed charms of LA life, they never seem to get any bargains there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers unluckiest team in league)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 06, 2013, 09:19:28 PM
Good win celtics
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers unluckiest team in league)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 06, 2013, 09:30:34 PM
Lakers making Hornets look like Suns during Nash's MVP seasons

Who won't the Lakers slow things down?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers unluckiest team in league)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 06, 2013, 09:46:49 PM
Awesome sequence by the Celtics against the Pacers at the end. We need sulky Rondo reaction shots though
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers unluckiest team in league)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 06, 2013, 09:51:14 PM
Streak in jeopardy. Magic giving the heat all they can handle.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers unluckiest team in league)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 06, 2013, 10:02:50 PM
Miami Steals it. They were fucking awful in the second half.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers unluckiest team in league)
Post by: Mandark on March 06, 2013, 10:12:21 PM
Stoney, how many of your posts have been carping about the Heat during their 16 game win streak?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers unluckiest team in league)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 06, 2013, 10:13:45 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 06, 2013, 10:12:21 PM
Stoney, how many of your posts have been carping about the Heat during their 16 game win streak?

None at all. Lebron had a terrible game a few games back which I mentioned. Only mentioned tonight because they almost got beat at home when they had a big lead in the 3rd quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers unluckiest team in league)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 06, 2013, 10:15:00 PM
Hornets collapsing big time right now. Getting outscored in the 4th quarter 27-9.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers unluckiest team in league)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 06, 2013, 10:23:03 PM
As big a choke as I've seen from a team in awhile here with the hornets. Not to take anything away from the Lakers who have played well here in the 4th.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers unluckiest team in league)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 06, 2013, 10:31:23 PM
Stunning. Lakers were down 25 at one point in the game. Lakers go on 20-0 run over the last 6 minutes of the game. Outscore the hornets 33-9 in the 4th quarter.

Kobe finishes with 42 pts. 12 assists. 7 rebounds.

I'll go ahead and say they will catch the Jazz for the 8th spot at least.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers unluckiest team in league)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 07, 2013, 12:01:27 AM
Quote
Add J.J. Redick to the list of former teammates who were none too pleased with Dwight Howard's recent comments about his Orlando Magic teammates.

This week Howard told KCAL, a Los Angeles CBS affiliate, that "My team in Orlando was a team full of people who nobody wanted, and I was the leader, and I led that team with a smile on my face."

That characterization of a Magic team that went to the NBA Finals in 2009 hasn't sat well with his former teammates.

"I'm not surprised by it," Redick told ESPNLosAngeles.com Wednesday evening before his Milwaukee Bucks played the Los Angeles Clippers. "I would be more surprised when Dwight starts taking responsibility. That would be the most negative thing I can say, but that's the truth.

"You can't take all the credit and not accept any of the blame."

In the two days since the interview aired, former teammates Jameer Nelson told the Orlando Sentinel that he was "disappointed" in Howard's comments while Rashard Lewis said Howard's comments were "disrespectful."

"It's disrespectful more than anything. We helped Dwight become the player he was," Lewis, now a member of the Miami Heat, told the Sentinel on Wednesday.

"We made a good run. Hell, look at those (conference and division) banners hanging in the stands. They don't say Dwight Howard on them..."

Nelson, who was once one of Howard's closest friends on the Magic, said he was disappointed in Howard's comments.

At some point, when are you a gonna as a man, when are you going to take ownership and stay out of the media in a professional manner," Nelson told the Sentinel.

"I would be less of a man to comment on certain things that people comment on about me and my teammates. We had a great run as a group, as core guys, and he was a part of it (reaching the 2009 Finals) and for him to say things about anybody in a negative manner, that's up to him.

"That's his opinion. If that's how he feels, that's how he feels."

I actually agree with Howard but yeah he should have kept his mouth shut. It only adds fuel to the fire.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers unluckiest team in league)
Post by: Mandark on March 07, 2013, 12:41:04 AM
Yeah.  He may have a point, but he's being shitty for no real reason.

So many lulz at Rashard Lewis for taking even partial credit for turning Howard into the player he became, though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers unluckiest team in league)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 07, 2013, 12:50:19 AM
watched two games today, both came down to the final play, Celtics and the LeBrons both win
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers unluckiest team in league)
Post by: BlackMage on March 07, 2013, 01:39:29 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_URH9xgxXKk
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers unluckiest team in league)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 07, 2013, 02:05:00 AM
haha, exactly the clip i was looking for on League Pass, good job
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers unluckiest team in league)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 07, 2013, 08:11:12 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlrGFjBR0hY

Fun little interview with Parker.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers unluckiest team in league)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 07, 2013, 03:24:11 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on March 06, 2013, 10:51:53 PM
Yeah, that was LeBron-esque from Kobe tonight.

Edit: before BrandNew starts to rage, I'll revise that statement. Almost LeBron-esque.

I ain't hatin', Kobe was amazing last night.  Played much better than Bron.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers unluckiest team in league)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 07, 2013, 07:57:09 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG22nxYw6Go


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m789e3pB-k
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 07, 2013, 09:43:36 PM
Amazing game from Kobe, will give him old man dap for that
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on March 07, 2013, 10:08:24 PM
Knicks without Melo got the lead on OKC going into the 4th. JR is on fire.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 07, 2013, 10:14:43 PM
Yeah, it just started the 4th quarter if anybody wants to start watching now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 07, 2013, 10:36:48 PM
jr smith is infuriating to watch
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on March 07, 2013, 10:41:34 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 07, 2013, 10:36:48 PM
jr smith is infuriating to watch
Feel my pain.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 07, 2013, 10:52:50 PM
And that is one of the reasons why the knicks don't scare me. Jr Smith is the modern day John Starks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 07, 2013, 10:53:16 PM
welp that was a terrible last second shot
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on March 07, 2013, 10:58:58 PM
ISO with 7 seconds on the clock... :fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 07, 2013, 11:01:43 PM
That's the problem with JR. He's just good enough to completely fuck over your team as you watch him shoot you out of the game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 08, 2013, 01:56:16 AM
Knicks not scaring anyone right now, and this feels like the 10th minor injury Melo has had this year

i'm going to try to watch the Pacers a lot for the remainder of the season - they look like the more likely team to challenge the Heat.

It is also time to start cutting out all tanking teams from my viewing schedule although the draft looks so weak at this point that no-one seems to care much about it so far
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2013, 02:13:28 AM
NFL but it's Skip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6x-O3kb1sI#!
:rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 08, 2013, 02:18:50 AM
could you EVER get tired of punching Skip, i mean ever
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 08, 2013, 04:12:24 AM
You can pretty much see Skip grinning inside the entire time.  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 08, 2013, 04:17:50 AM
yeah, he's just thinking '1 million youtube views EASY bwah ha ha'
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 08, 2013, 11:53:07 AM
Austin Rivers shot chart for the season.

(http://i.imgur.com/gDrasgW.jpg])
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 08, 2013, 12:15:32 PM
wow, he bad.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2013, 02:17:06 PM
Duke SG/PGs  :childplease
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 08, 2013, 05:58:45 PM
JJ Redick is legit
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 08, 2013, 06:05:19 PM
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Before the trade deadline passed, the Boston Celtics had one final choice to make on the franchise's future: In a three-way deal that would've secured Josh Smith and surrendered Paul Pierce to Dallas, Atlanta wanted Boston's first-round draft pick, too.

As much as any of the proposed deals discussed in February, perhaps this had been the closest Pierce had come to parting with the Celtics, sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Dallas had constructed a package that included Jae Crowder, Brandan Wright and Dahntay Jones to Atlanta, with the Mavericks and Hawks exchanging positions in the 2013 NBA draft.

Nevertheless, Boston wouldn't relent on the pick and the deal died on meeting-room grease boards in three cities.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 08, 2013, 07:52:19 PM
Cormac, you should catch the first five minutes of NJ-Washington, if only for the novelty.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on March 08, 2013, 07:54:35 PM
...NJ?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 08, 2013, 07:55:43 PM
Whatever.  Just catch the opening of the Nets-Bullets game is what I'm saying.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on March 08, 2013, 07:56:36 PM
Mandark caught slipping? :noah
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 08, 2013, 08:10:07 PM
 :'(


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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 08, 2013, 08:28:46 PM
alright i'll take a look later, thanks

(it is still 10.30 am here)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 08, 2013, 08:52:14 PM
Bullets?

:shaq
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on March 08, 2013, 08:56:05 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on March 08, 2013, 07:56:36 PM
Mandark caught slipping? :noah
:crazybron
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 08, 2013, 09:02:24 PM
kinda figured the heat would have problems with the sixers; they did about two weeks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 08, 2013, 09:12:33 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 08, 2013, 08:52:14 PM
Bullets?

:shaq

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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 08, 2013, 09:59:45 PM
oh, you thought you had a chance philly?

 :troll
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 08, 2013, 10:08:38 PM
I've said it before but man Birdman was a good pickup for the Heat. He's made Joel Anthony utterly irrelevant.

Now they just need to amnesty Mike Miller.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 08, 2013, 10:16:47 PM
bosh in the low post tonight has been great to watch

Love it when bosh has a good game
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 08, 2013, 10:34:52 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 08, 2013, 10:08:38 PM
I've said it before but man Birdman was a good pickup for the Heat. He's made Joel Anthony utterly irrelevant.

Now they just need to amnesty Mike Miller.

Birdman is awesome, yeah. Always loved to watch him. Pity he has no shot whatsoever but as you are aware, Anthony was a liability there too so no loss.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 08, 2013, 10:44:06 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 08, 2013, 10:34:52 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 08, 2013, 10:08:38 PM
I've said it before but man Birdman was a good pickup for the Heat. He's made Joel Anthony utterly irrelevant.

Now they just need to amnesty Mike Miller.

Birdman is awesome, yeah. Always loved to watch him. Pity he has no shot whatsoever but as you are aware, Anthony was a liability there too so no loss.

The thing is compared to anthony he is an offensive genius. He can actually score if you get it in close enough to him in single coverage directly next to the basket and he can roll to the basket. Something Anthony is terrible at.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 09, 2013, 12:18:00 AM
Lakers will need another 4th quarter comeback as they go into the 4th down by 10.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 09, 2013, 12:34:04 AM
This Houston game is cray
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 09, 2013, 12:42:24 AM
Game ain't over!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 09, 2013, 12:45:50 AM
goddamn kobe  :o
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 09, 2013, 12:46:22 AM
goddamn kobe  :maf
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 09, 2013, 12:46:24 AM
Rudy Gay is so garbage. If the raptors sign him to a big contract they are idiots.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 09, 2013, 12:48:19 AM
he really is.  the griz are all like  :heh at the moment
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 09, 2013, 12:49:41 AM
kobe's catch and fire is one of the best in the game
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 09, 2013, 12:50:55 AM
:dwighthoward
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 09, 2013, 12:53:23 AM
holy christ kobe is great
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 09, 2013, 12:54:03 AM
Jesus Kobe has been insane the last two weeks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 09, 2013, 12:55:29 AM
shinobi you're just as bad as stoney  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 09, 2013, 12:57:20 AM
Rudy Gay

 :snoop
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 09, 2013, 12:57:36 AM
pretty much.

amazing game in LA right now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 09, 2013, 01:10:59 AM
Quote from: Bill Simmons
Most fans love the idea of Rudy: 6-foot-8, defends either forward spot, good athlete, unafraid at crunch time, seems like he's good. Nobody wants to accept that he's a horrific shooter — repeat: horrific — who excels at posting up smaller defenders, and that's about it. Math doesn't lie: According to Hoopdata.com, Gay is shooting 25 percent on shots from 16 to 23 feet (the worst percentage of anyone who attempted three-plus shots per game from that range) and 23.3 percent from 3 (the worst percentage of anyone who attempted three-plus 3s per game). In other words, Gay attempts nearly 10 shots per game from more than 15 feet and makes two of them. I stand by "horrific."

yep.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 09, 2013, 01:11:55 AM
alright game over
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 09, 2013, 01:14:28 AM
7 of fucking 25.

17 points.

 :snoop :snoop :snoop
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 09, 2013, 01:16:56 AM
murder dwight howard
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 09, 2013, 01:21:45 AM
Time for Rudy Gay to hit a clutch shot and win the game!


 :smug
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 09, 2013, 01:22:49 AM
metta needs to grow that stache back
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 09, 2013, 01:24:30 AM
great win by the lakers
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 09, 2013, 01:24:44 AM
I charge the Lakers with tampering. This needs to be investigated by the NBA front office. Rudy Gay is clearly a sleeper agent under pay and direct orders by the Lakers organization to throw this game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rudy Gay. Unluckiest player in the league)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 09, 2013, 01:32:35 AM
Nice comeback for the Lakers. In a sense these are more impressive as Kobe is great games rather than the Lakers are playing well. I mean these were games against Toronto, and New Orleans where they needed massive comebacks but still. They are more than on track for at least an 8th spot with an outside chance at maybe 7.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rudy Gay. Unluckiest player in the league)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 09, 2013, 07:44:53 AM
Kobe was amazing, Nash was hard to watch
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rudy Gay. Unluckiest player in the league)
Post by: pilonv1 on March 09, 2013, 08:49:44 AM
If only there was some statistical analysis to show how terrible Rudy Gay is
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rudy Gay. Unluckiest player in the league)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 09, 2013, 09:14:59 AM
Hollinger <3
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rudy Gay. Unluckiest player in the league)
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 09, 2013, 01:07:31 PM
Rudy Gay is so bad that Hollinger is unnecessary. With the Raps, Gay is shooting .380 from the floor and .239 from three. He's averaging 2.8 assists and 3.1 turnovers. Yet his PER as a Raptor is higher than DeMar DeRozan's.
 :rudy

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--rudy-gay-takes-issue-with-grizzlies--embraces-challenge-with-star-hungry-raptors--230326752.html
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Rudy Gay says the Memphis Grizzlies' new ownership didn't give him a shot to prove he was worth a multi-million dollar investment before it traded him in a three-team deal to the Toronto Raptors in January.

"You have to give me a chance to see if I'm worth that," Gay told Yahoo! Sports.

. . .

The struggling Raptors appear to believe in Gay. General manager Bryan Colangelo already views him as the face of the franchise, and a source said he will likely offer a contract extension in the offseason.

"I needed a change," Gay said of the trade. "I needed a new situation. A new task. I needed a new task with something I could grasp, something I could take over. I need to be challenged."
Shooting over 40% isn't enough of a challenge?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rudy Gay. Unluckiest player in the league)
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 09, 2013, 01:34:42 PM
RealGM Raptors forum  :lol
Re: Gotta Admit I was Wrong about Gay
Postby J-Roc on Sat Mar 09, 2013 10:25 am

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No, Rudy didn't look for his shots too much. If anything, he's been trying to be more of a point forward to get his teammates involved. He missed a lot of shots but that doesn't mean he took a lot of bad shots.

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bunch of crybabies....worst fans i've seen in all sports..

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You guys are just hating on Rudy. Even lebron has bad games, Rudy scores 20+ points he is the best thing that ever happend to the raps and he has a bad night and he is worst thing that happened to th raps

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He is a damn good player and it was a trade that upgraded the talent of this team. Yes, we'd all like him to be more efficient and a better decision maker but you are going to get chucking games that are inefficient from him from time to time. . . But what I've seen of Rudy so far, is that you simply take the inefficient games from him with the other good games, it tends to balance out.

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for the love of god stop the f*cking bitching and crying.. after every lost a player gets singled out on this forum. he's garbage, he's sh*t, he's this, he's that.. it's the same fu*king crap after every game we lose.. you guys will be the same people licking the dirt from under rudy gay's feet if he drop's 30 plus in the next couple games. DD went from being the guy you guys gave the name deBrick, to the guy some of you are labeling our go to scorer.. he drops 8 points in next game and it's back to trade this bum Debrick.. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE SHUT THE F*CK UP WITH THIS BIPOLAR CRAP!. if i was a mod i would just lock threads

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I wouldn't call Gay a chucker.
:lol
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If we drafted Rudy instead of Bargnani, this entire franchise would've been different. We would've been a wrecking force here with Bosh Rudy and TJ
:lol :lol

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his,,,,,, good and great players have stretches of bad games, relax. Rudy has made this team better. We were in last nights game right to the end.

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Calling Rudy Gay a tier 4 or 5 guy is an absolute joke. He is absolutely that second level star guy.

And I thought Leaf fans were bad--all Toronto sports fans are terrible.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rudy Gay. Unluckiest player in the league)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 09, 2013, 04:06:51 PM
The thing is I think Rudy seems like a nice guy so I don't really like to slag him off. If he was an arrogant asshole that would be one thing. He's just a player who is completely overvalued based on his physical attributes. He's like an NBA version of Jeff George.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 09, 2013, 04:22:42 PM
Rudy Ghey, amirite?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 09, 2013, 05:11:45 PM
(http://i.minus.com/iDXIrYVSiZTUc.gif)

Kobe playing nba live 95 on easy .
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 09, 2013, 08:08:39 PM
Aaron Gray - not really a 'perimeter stopper' type
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 10, 2013, 05:33:50 PM
Indy at Miami at 6:00. Although not on national tv which is dumb.

The Streak ends tonight.

:smug
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 10, 2013, 06:05:00 PM
I may not think much of Spoelstra as a coach but he is parlaying that job into hot tail which is to be respected.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/03/10/3278081/miami-heat-coach-erik-spoelstra.html


(http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/gallery/nikki-sapp/nikki-sapp-7.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 10, 2013, 06:15:11 PM
Shitty stream of Miami-Indy

http://www.firstrow1.eu/watch/174092/3/watch-miami-heat-vs-indiana-pacers.html

edit:

better quality stream but lags

http://popstreams.eu/stream3.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 10, 2013, 07:43:51 PM
Miami crushing on indy right now. Real impressive team effort.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 10, 2013, 10:20:27 PM
That's the first game from the Heat that I've watched/listened to where I've been very impressed with the role players.  Battier with great defense, Chalmers with an insane long ball, and Bosh just hitting fucking everything.  Fuck, even Joel Anthony had a decent game.

Oh, and Wade had a season high 6 steals.  Really great team win for the Heat.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 10, 2013, 10:58:22 PM
LeBron is holding those guys back! He needs to score less for Chalmers to succeed
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 10, 2013, 11:05:07 PM
uhhhhh oh my god

http://www.nba.com/video/games/clippers/2013/03/10/0021200942-det-lac-play4.nba/index.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on March 10, 2013, 11:06:17 PM
http://www.nba.com/video/games/clippers/2013/03/10/0021200942-det-lac-play4.nba/index.html

 :kobeyuck

edit: Damn you, Cajole!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 10, 2013, 11:11:35 PM
twitter
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 11, 2013, 12:42:37 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh0AQw3WFkE

Oh me oh my!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 11, 2013, 12:45:01 AM
R.I.P. Brandon Knight (December 2, 1991-March 10, 2013)

The Pistons should wear patches with his number on it on their jerseys for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 11, 2013, 02:30:13 AM
gawd :bow

Celtics (3rd best team in the L since Rondo went out!) put up a decent fight for 3 quarters vs OKC but then aged about 15 years before the 4th
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 11, 2013, 08:38:57 PM
OKC versus Spurs tonight but no national TV and no Tony Parker.

Shitty Stream:

http://www.firstrow1.eu/watch/174338/1/watch-san-antonio-spurs-vs-oklahoma-city-thunder.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 11, 2013, 09:26:03 PM
Spurs are so much fun to watch. Even without Parker they are giving OKC all they can handle.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 11, 2013, 09:45:18 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 11, 2013, 12:45:01 AM
R.I.P. Brandon Knight (December 2, 1991-March 10, 2013)

The Pistons should wear patches with his number on it on their jerseys for the rest of the season.

Shame on you (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--basketball-s-backward-culture-makes-punch-line-of-brandon-knight-for-trying-to-stop-deandre-jordan-s-dunk-174058736.html), benji!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 11, 2013, 10:44:55 PM
Shawn Elliot is driving me insane today. He does know the Spurs (complex) offense inside out though
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 11, 2013, 10:47:24 PM
Spurs just too much tonight. I wouldn't mind seeing the Spurs win a title this season.

I'm really rooting hard for a Spurs Heat title series. That would be so awesome.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 11, 2013, 10:56:00 PM
would be fascinating, yeah. Have the Spurs ever lost when they get to the Finals?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on March 11, 2013, 11:05:02 PM
Spurs beat OKC without Parker? Goddamn that's scary.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 11, 2013, 11:19:09 PM
home game for the Spurs, but yeah, still an impressive win
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 11, 2013, 11:49:37 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 11, 2013, 09:45:18 PM
Shame on you (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--basketball-s-backward-culture-makes-punch-line-of-brandon-knight-for-trying-to-stop-deandre-jordan-s-dunk-174058736.html), benji!
Psch, Brandon Knight has been an object of ridicule long before this.

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Jordan made a spectacular play. No one will soon forget it. So congratulations and all. Jordan has a $43 million contract and yet still doesn't have one offensive move, an ability to score outside the paint. Yes, he can leap, dunk on little guys. And somehow that makes him an achiever in the sport now. After this, perhaps even a folk hero.
What is with Woj getting so much sand in his snatch over the last 18 months.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 11, 2013, 11:59:42 PM
expecting a 7 footer who just got paid to suddenly expand their game - are we sure he's really an NBA writer
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 12, 2013, 12:07:27 AM
(http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1492311/DirkBrainFartUpAndDown.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2013, 12:25:53 AM
somewhere in Germany, Holger Geschwindner just sat up sharply and booked tickets for a flight to Dallas
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 12, 2013, 12:44:15 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 11, 2013, 11:49:37 PM
What is with Woj getting so much sand in his snatch over the last 18 months.

He's always struck me as a sanctimonious git.

F'real though, dunks are more fun when someone gets obliterated, and if we're gonna be social and talk to each other about what a great dunk that was, we're also going to talk about the pieces of Brandon Knight they're still finding between the floorboards.  Do we really want to sap the personality out of the experience so much that our first reaction to that dunk is "Well, that was certainly a dutiful effort by Knight, and despite this play, Jordan still needs to develop his midrange game?"



PS I'm not even sure we should praise Knight on that play in strictly basketball terms.  He's trying to get in the way of one of the premiere power dunkers in the league who's also half a foot taller than him.  Predictably, all Knight accomplished was getting his team closer to the penalty and giving the Clips an extra FT.  It's not like he was even thinking about the chance of a clean block either, so I guess I'd need Woj to explain to me how deliberate fouls are in the spirit of the game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 12, 2013, 12:55:10 AM
Woj's scouting report is outdated.  Deandre has been working hard and getting better.  His post offense is notably improved over last year's.  .
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 12, 2013, 12:56:51 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 12, 2013, 12:07:27 AM
]http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1492311/DirkBrainFartUpAndDown.gif

good form on the header

Maybe Dirk should try out for Germany's soccer team.  It has a much better chance of winning it all than Germany's basketball team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 12, 2013, 01:29:27 AM
Spurs Heat Finals would be great and would honestly be Lebron's last great test for me.  Considering Lebron lost easily to them as a Cav in...was it 07?

If he can win against pretty much the same style and team that beat him in 07, then I'd consider the critics having really no more reason to bring up "bububu's" about Lebron.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 12, 2013, 01:33:59 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 12, 2013, 01:29:27 AM
Spurs Heat Finals would be great and would honestly be Lebron's last great test for me.  Considering Lebron lost easily to them as a Cav in...was it 07?

If he can win against pretty much the same style and team that beat him in 07, then I'd consider the critics having really no more reason to bring up "bububu's" about Lebron.

He'll still need 4 more rings  :orly

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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 12, 2013, 01:48:37 AM
I know you're joking but honestly the ring thing is such bullshit.  Robert Horry has 7 for fuck's sake, and he's no where near the conversation for best player ever.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2013, 02:23:23 AM
pretty terrible games today. Everything i watched was a blowout
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 12, 2013, 10:21:59 AM
Quote from: Mandark on March 11, 2013, 09:45:18 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 11, 2013, 12:45:01 AM
R.I.P. Brandon Knight (December 2, 1991-March 10, 2013)

The Pistons should wear patches with his number on it on their jerseys for the rest of the season.

Shame on you (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--basketball-s-backward-culture-makes-punch-line-of-brandon-knight-for-trying-to-stop-deandre-jordan-s-dunk-174058736.html), benji!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIDS3q3F0H4
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2013, 08:32:21 PM
The Heat-Hawks game is actually pretty good but you'd barely know 'cause they have PJ Brown reminiscing about the glory days all over the place. They're cutting away from him and the announcers yukking it up to about 1 play in 5 ffs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on March 12, 2013, 10:10:17 PM
How 'bout those Heat?  :-*
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 12, 2013, 10:16:22 PM
Dwight shot 39 FTs tonight

39

:rofl magic
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 12, 2013, 10:21:25 PM
he made 25 of them fwiw
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 12, 2013, 10:28:36 PM
You would think the Magic of all teams would know that Dwight has no offensive game to fear.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 12, 2013, 10:36:45 PM
(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18h639y3w5bgbgif/k-bigpic.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 12, 2013, 11:00:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0aExb9cOJU
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on March 12, 2013, 11:20:05 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 12, 2013, 10:36:45 PM
(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18h639y3w5bgbgif/k-bigpic.gif)
The look on that guy's face at the end is what makes this awesome. :rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 13, 2013, 12:16:35 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHG1g8IFbQk
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 13, 2013, 12:18:12 AM
Quote from: etiolate on March 12, 2013, 10:28:36 PM
You would think the Magic of all teams would know that Dwight has no offensive game to fear.

i didn't watch the whole game but it seemed like the Magic were intentionally fouling just to catch up with the other Lakers being too hot
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 13, 2013, 07:50:30 PM
gotta feeling the streak ends tonight
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 13, 2013, 08:01:31 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 13, 2013, 07:50:30 PM
gotta feeling the streak ends tonight

Well, they are playing against the #2 seed in the East.

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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 13, 2013, 08:26:12 PM
:rofl

Doug Collins has gone from energizing and inspiring to stressing out everyone in a 100 meter radius
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 13, 2013, 08:33:52 PM
 :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 13, 2013, 08:35:30 PM
http://www.nba.com/2013/news/03/13/raptors-bargnani-out-for-season.ap/

Awesome news for the Raps!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 13, 2013, 08:40:38 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on March 13, 2013, 12:16:35 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHG1g8IFbQk

watched all of this, still amazing
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on March 13, 2013, 08:41:31 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 13, 2013, 07:50:30 PM
gotta feeling the streak ends tonight
gotta feeling you're mad jealous.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 13, 2013, 08:51:53 PM
u mad
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 13, 2013, 09:01:14 PM
Miami just quietly, methodically beating the crap out of the Sixers here. It's easy to say with this win streak I guess but they really do look like champions. Wade is playing as well as he ever has, but people aren't noticing so much because of LeBron, and Bosh is also at an efficiency peak. Birdman is awesome, Chalmers is hitting the 3...i don't see any weaknesses. Duncan, KG or Dwight are about the only players that can give them real trouble in a series but Duncan is the only one they really have to worry about....I think the Heat would be very happy to draw OKC again vs the Spurs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 13, 2013, 09:03:16 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 12, 2013, 10:36:45 PM
(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18h639y3w5bgbgif/k-bigpic.gif)

(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6069/dayum.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 13, 2013, 09:08:58 PM
Quote from: ferrarimanf355 on March 13, 2013, 08:41:31 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 13, 2013, 07:50:30 PM
gotta feeling the streak ends tonight
gotta feeling you're mad jealous.

have you been reading my posts in this thread?  :lol

also, I might be right after all!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 13, 2013, 09:17:05 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 13, 2013, 08:40:38 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on March 13, 2013, 12:16:35 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHG1g8IFbQk

watched all of this, still amazing
Watched it several times. And Carter wasn't just dunking on 6' 2" Pistons.  :orly I see Robinson, Duncan, Wallace, Mourning, and Mutombo.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 13, 2013, 09:20:05 PM
Come on now, DeAndre Jordan has been in the league leaders in dunks for at least 3 straight seasons now, what do you want him to do, NOT dunk 'cause Knight isn't big enough
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 13, 2013, 09:25:58 PM
I'm just don't understand the reaction on the internets.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 13, 2013, 09:30:44 PM
jesus christ, the elevation carter has...fucking insane.

And he's also much more fluid with his dunks.  Lots of momentum, lots are arms movement...and still throws it down with fucking force.  Da GOAT in dunks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 13, 2013, 09:47:33 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 13, 2013, 09:03:16 PM
(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6069/dayum.png)

Yes!  I was gonna request this, but figured no way does that face get passed up.  Surprised it took this long, if anything.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 13, 2013, 09:54:43 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on March 13, 2013, 09:25:58 PM
I'm just don't understand the reaction on the internets.

if we'd had twitter in Vince's rookie year, dayum
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 13, 2013, 09:55:33 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 13, 2013, 09:30:44 PM
jesus christ, the elevation carter has...fucking insane.

And he's also much more fluid with his dunks.  Lots of momentum, lots are arms movement...and still throws it down with fucking force.  Da GOAT in dunks.

all that and agility too. I have always wondered if he could do a 720.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 13, 2013, 09:59:59 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 13, 2013, 09:47:33 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 13, 2013, 09:03:16 PM
(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6069/dayum.png)

Yes!  I was gonna request this, but figured no way does that face get passed up.  Surprised it took this long, if anything.

A tad rough on some edges but it's the best one I've created. Shout out to Smooth Groove :bow
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on March 13, 2013, 10:05:48 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 13, 2013, 09:54:43 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on March 13, 2013, 09:25:58 PM
I'm just don't understand the reaction on the internets.

if we'd had twitter in Vince's rookie year, dayum
The amount of gifs going back and forth in an hour of him jumping over that poor white dude would probably equal the amount of internet traffic in  the whole of 2000.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 13, 2013, 10:08:33 PM
Likewise, thank God we weren't subjected to daily Skip Bayless during MJ's pre-championship years.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on March 13, 2013, 10:14:32 PM
Holy fuck at the hurtin' the thunder are putting on the Jazz :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 13, 2013, 10:33:16 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 13, 2013, 09:47:33 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 13, 2013, 09:03:16 PM
(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6069/dayum.png)

Yes!  I was gonna request this, but figured no way does that face get passed up.  Surprised it took this long, if anything.

I told Joe to go to work already

we can't pass up on an instant classic like that

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 13, 2013, 10:39:54 PM
time for Dwight to bust on Kobe for not knowing what it takes to win in Lakertown methinks
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 13, 2013, 11:30:28 PM
the knicks are fucking awful
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 13, 2013, 11:45:47 PM
FUCK

poor chandler.  That looked like a really bad knee injury
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on March 13, 2013, 11:48:06 PM
 :snoop

I need a hug...
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 13, 2013, 11:52:47 PM
beezy, the correct response on learning of player injury is to get mad and lash out at everyone in range, blame player for rehab laziness, rage at opposing players for dirty play, wish further injury upon them etc. maybe you're just not built to be a pro-sports fan
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 14, 2013, 12:07:22 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on March 14, 2013, 12:12:14 AM
 :fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2013, 12:19:37 AM
awww

have a hug Beezy

(don't grab my ass)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on March 14, 2013, 12:23:03 AM
Don't worry, I'm not Himu-chan. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 14, 2013, 12:37:34 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 13, 2013, 10:39:54 PM
time for Dwight to bust on Kobe for not knowing what it takes to win in Lakertown methinks

ha ha, LA radio was just going on non-stop about how Dwight's recent success is mostly due to Kobe

Ramona Shelburne especially went on non-stop about Kobe's super ability to will Dwight to produce


http://espn.go.com/espnradio/losangeles/podcast/archive?id=2682382

good comedy if you have the time but be warned that some of the mamba idolatry might make you wanna vomit
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 14, 2013, 12:40:35 AM
Well I had fun watching a couple of Knicks games this season...
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 14, 2013, 12:49:08 AM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on March 14, 2013, 12:40:35 AM
Well I had fun watching a couple of Knicks games this season...

But weren't you born in Florida?

 ;)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 14, 2013, 01:06:22 AM
wtf @ kings blowing out the bulls
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 14, 2013, 01:09:06 AM
not that surprised

Bulls looked horrible against Lakers
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 14, 2013, 01:15:01 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 13, 2013, 11:45:47 PM
FUCK

poor chandler.  That looked like a really bad knee injury

:dayum
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 14, 2013, 01:18:05 AM
Cheer up Beezy. At least you're not this guy (http://www.the-coli.com/3565609-post22568.html)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 14, 2013, 01:18:39 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 14, 2013, 01:18:05 AM
Cheer up Beezy. At least you're not this guy (http://www.the-coli.com/3565609-post22568.html)

uh, is that me
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on March 14, 2013, 01:36:34 AM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on March 14, 2013, 01:18:39 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 14, 2013, 01:18:05 AM
Cheer up Beezy. At least you're not this guy (http://www.the-coli.com/3565609-post22568.html)

uh, is that me
:rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 14, 2013, 01:43:26 AM
Bruce Bowen often did that sliding move under the shooter and never got punished by the league

not even when stars like Ray Allen, Vince Carter, Stoudemire were injured

it's still amazing how the league let a scrub like Bowen get away with so much
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 14, 2013, 01:55:12 AM
um, am I missing something?  That dahntey jones play doesn't seem intentional at all.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 14, 2013, 01:57:25 AM
hmmm, actually, his footing when he comes down does seem a bit suspect...
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 14, 2013, 02:16:16 AM
Kobe should have smacked him and dealt with the pain later
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 14, 2013, 02:48:46 AM
The Grizzlies are 15-4 since the Rudy Gay trade.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2013, 02:53:29 AM
hollinger has been twittering with the #gng hashtag...i think it secretly stands for 'Gay Now Gone'
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 14, 2013, 03:05:24 AM
Also the clippers better be careful. They have slid down to 4th and playing the nuggets in the first round is not a breeze. They are almost unbeatable at home. (29-3)

And since jan 1 the nuggets have been 27-7.  (.794)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2013, 03:17:02 AM
Yeah, Paul is not right I think.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on March 14, 2013, 12:49:07 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2013, 03:17:02 AM
Yeah, Paul is not right I think.
Is he ever?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on March 14, 2013, 02:11:23 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 14, 2013, 01:57:25 AM
hmmm, actually, his footing when he comes down does seem a bit suspect...
Yeah I thought it was just Shinobi being salty, but he definitely moved forward with his leg on purpose. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2013, 07:11:23 PM
Quote from: Beezy on March 14, 2013, 12:49:07 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2013, 03:17:02 AM
Yeah, Paul is not right I think.
Is he ever?

first half of this season he was pretty spry! I saw him dunk once. Now he's back to picking his spots and trying not to let anyone know he's hurt so as not to jeopardize his coming max extension.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 14, 2013, 07:21:44 PM
two boring games on TNT tonight

NBA got to do a better job with the scheduling
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2013, 07:40:03 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on March 14, 2013, 02:11:23 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 14, 2013, 01:57:25 AM
hmmm, actually, his footing when he comes down does seem a bit suspect...
Yeah I thought it was just Shinobi being salty, but he definitely moved forward with his leg on purpose. 

it doesn't look great but why would he foul at that point in the game? especially after the shot. It's not like they're playing the Lakers again tonight.

I guess intention doesn't really matter though - result does. Whether he did it on purpose or by mistake or just plain momentum, he didn't stay out of Kobe's space while he was in the air. I have no problem with penalizing Jones here.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 14, 2013, 07:43:20 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 14, 2013, 07:21:44 PM
two boring games on TNT tonight

NBA got to do a better job with the scheduling

I think the only real way to fix stuff like this is to build in some schedule flexibility where you can potentially move some games around at a later date.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on March 14, 2013, 07:43:28 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2013, 07:40:03 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on March 14, 2013, 02:11:23 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 14, 2013, 01:57:25 AM
hmmm, actually, his footing when he comes down does seem a bit suspect...
Yeah I thought it was just Shinobi being salty, but he definitely moved forward with his leg on purpose. 

it doesn't look great but why would he foul at that point in the game? especially after the shot. It's not like they're playing the Lakers again tonight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoAiyUduyrY
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2013, 07:46:43 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 14, 2013, 07:21:44 PM
two boring games on TNT tonight

NBA got to do a better job with the scheduling

I just League Pass some games I missed earlier on when this kind of tragedy strikes
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on March 14, 2013, 09:36:08 PM
https://twitter.com/KennethFaried35/status/312320470747856897

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGT1dQHEd7E

 :sabu
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2013, 10:01:05 PM
:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 14, 2013, 10:25:32 PM
How is Mike James now a starting point guard for a team that won an NBA championship two years ago.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 14, 2013, 10:30:41 PM
We know how this will end.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 14, 2013, 10:35:21 PM
like . . . that--with a brick from Carter from three (why were they going for a three anyway).

 :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 15, 2013, 12:35:17 AM
Quote
Perhaps not even ESPN's most popular columnist can get away with criticizing what may be its most disliked program without repercussion. Citing an unnamed "ESPN source," Deadspin first reported on Thursday that Bill Simmons had been suspended from Twitter for three days for violating the company's social media guidelines with his criticism of a recent "First Take" segment. Without citing a source, The Hollywood Reporter claimed to have confirmed the Deadspin report. ESPN spokesman Mike Soltys told USA Today Sports that the network declined to comment.

The tweets that have apparently drawn the ire of Simmons' employers at ESPN pertained to the argument between "First Take" co-host Skip Bayless and Seattle Seahawks cornerback Richard Sherman. In a particularly argumentative and uninformative segment during last Thursday's episode of ESPN's controversial debate program, the pair traded barbs, with Sherman notably telling Bayless that "I'm better at life than you." As if often the case when Bayless is involved in a shouting match with an athlete, the segment generated plenty of attention. Simmons vented on Twitter about the nature of the segment as well as those who were giving it more attention than he felt it deserved.

 :skip
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2013, 01:45:51 AM
wtf
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2013, 02:24:34 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykR6WvXbh1M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CY5WRCCZUU
:rofl

holy fuck Walton doesn't give a single shit. tha GOAT color commentator  :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 15, 2013, 02:32:15 AM
"we'll just dismiss that comment"
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 15, 2013, 03:03:51 AM
Throw it down, big man!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2013, 03:06:06 AM
:lol

Simmons gave him a lot of love in Book of Basketball, i'm sure Walton has his back
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 15, 2013, 03:30:11 AM
It's a little surprising that Simmons doesn't like Bayless

While Simmons likes to post as a stat head, most of the time he doesn't know what he's talking about (as evidenced by his arbitrary 42 club)

Like Bayless, Simmons really gets fired up when he's talking about mythical sportswriters bullshit like ice-cold blood in the clutch, wanting it more, seizing the moment, etc.

Basically, pot calling the kettle black

Fuck both these clowns
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 15, 2013, 05:00:51 AM
Walton still killing it.  :lol
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 15, 2013, 03:30:11 AM
While Simmons likes to post as a stat head, most of the time he doesn't know what he's talking about (as evidenced by his arbitrary 42 club)
I'll never forgive him for this. NEVER YOU HEAR ME:
Quote
Q: Why won't you understand shooting percentages? 33 percent from beyond the arc is the equivalent of 50 percent from within. If a guy shot 50 percent from the field, would you be killing him for shooting? Of course not. You obviously realize how stupid that would be. Yet that's what you've been doing -- FOR YEARS -- with your mind-boggling argument against 3-point shooting unless the guy can hit 75 percent of his 3s. Just think about it for a couple of seconds. Please ... we are begging you.
-- Nick, New York

SG: Dozens of readers e-mailed me Nick's same stupid argument in a similarly condescending way, which is what makes the following so much fun: I'm not stupid, YOU'RE STUPID. That 33/50 logic only makes sense in a professional basketball league in which they aren't calling fouls and you aren't allowed to pass to a teammate ... which, as far as I can tell, doesn't currently exist.

Let's say that one player attempts 12 3-pointers and makes four (for 12 points). His teammate attempts 12 2-pointers and makes six, but during that time -- because he's not standing 25 feet away jacking up 3s like an idiot -- he also draws three fouls on his defender, creates two assists for teammates, makes three of four free throws, turns the ball over once, and misses one layup that gets tapped in by a teammate (we'll call it 19 points). You're telling me those two scenarios are equal? If I'm playing LeBron (a 31 percent 3-point shooter), ideally, I want him jacking up contested 3s because that means (A) he's not getting to the line, (B) he's not getting my guys in foul trouble, and (C) he's not potentially creating shots for someone else. I can't defend LeBron when he's going to the basket, especially if he's getting calls. But you know what? If he's happy shooting 3s from 25 feet with a hand in his face, then I'm delighted. This is great. I want him to do that. And if he's doing something that the other team WANTS him to do, then he's doing the wrong thing. I'm fine with shooting 24-footers over 20-footers, but getting into the paint will always be more valuable than jacking up 3s. It's just a fact.

(Note to Nick and everyone else who mailed me the 33/50 argument: I'm doing the Dikembe finger wave at you. Don't come into my house.)
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/090331

Can't find the mailbag where he makes the same exact argument as to why Chauncey Billups is a horrible offensive player, because his FG% was 42%. (And tries to ignore that half his shots were threes and he went to the line as much hitting 90%.) IIRC, this response came at the end of him spending like two or three years savaging players like Billups and "rejecting" anyone who tried to explain this stuff to him.

I always remember this one though because of how he constructs this fantasy narrative about a player camping at the three point line vs. one who does everything on the court. When the original prompting was a player, in Billups, who SPECIFICALLY did not do this getting close to 8 assists a game under Flip and getting to the line as much as he shot threes. (+ that near 90% shooting there.) Shawn Marion was another he was going after.

Simmons has come pretty far on stats though the last few years. One reason I like the podcasts he does with Zach Lowe is that you can just hear in his voice that interest and thirst for stuff from the synergy related stats. And he's more fair than normal when the stats are shitting on him. And I think that's worked backwards to giving him the comfort level with PER and TS% he's adopted over the last couple years on Grantland.

EDIT: oh god, top of the page
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2013, 05:09:52 AM
Simmons still wants to pretend that they're only useful as a means of supporting what the naked eye can see, 'cause that's what makes him seem more valuable. But he is presumably paying a ton of money in salary to stat heads like Lowe himself, has been to almost all of the Sloan MIT conferences etc...I think he mostly gets it now.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 15, 2013, 05:18:52 AM
Something did change and I don't know if it was going to Sloan or what, if you look at how he rags on Hollinger, initially it was for basically just using stats at all, then the last couple years it got to him more just ragging on Hollinger like a coworker or friend when he's wrong or disagrees. (And there was some stuff in there that seemed more about how ESPN was using Hollinger's stats.) He even kinda went through the same change with Morey.

I wonder if he had some private moments like this as he got to spending more and more time with these guys:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv2jqFd2-qI
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 15, 2013, 05:30:00 AM
You'd have to be a complete humbug to never warm up to Hollinger.

Simmons has plenty of faults and can be headache-inducing when he's dug in on a particular position (like talking himself into Rose over LeBron and Dwight for MVP), but he's obviously passionate about pro basketball and tries to spread that enjoyment and enthusiasm through his writing.  I wouldn't compare him to Bayless, who is remarkable for not having any redeeming qualities whatsoever.  He so blatantly embodies everything wrong with the current era of ESPN sportsyelling that it's hard not to think his whole character is really a scathing piece of performance art.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 15, 2013, 05:50:11 AM
Oh, just to make clear, I agree that Simmons isn't close to Bayless, especially publicly. I still "love" reading Simmons despite his grating flaws. (Cut to everyone nodding.) That's just my favorite Skip Clip and tied in. (And I needed to get my 2013 callback rant about the Billups stuff in before the end of tax season. Cut to Chauncey Billups being called for a foul on a player knocked out of bounds by the ref.)

But I do think Simmons has warmed to stats actually working with these guys, going to Sloan, talking to JVG, Cuban, etc. He hadn't been doing that at Page 2 and before his podcast. He has hinted that he's had more-than-off-the-record conversations with Morey and such similar to that Cuban/Bayless about stuff he had never really thought too closely about.

And the guy has been openly a nervous wreck about appearing regularly on the NBA coverage. It probably pisses him off to see Bayless doing his act and not changing ever while he tried hard to improve himself to do basically the same job and meet a level he expects from the talking heads.

Semi-related side note: I read this in the last couple months:
(http://img1.imagesbn.com/p/9780316043014_p0_v1_s260x420.JPG)
Decent enough book I suppose (like the SNL one from the same guys) but certainly confirmed my impressions about not wanting to ever work at ESPN. (You know, hypothetically.)

(Also, I couldn't read any of the Stephen A. Smith parts as if he wasn't yelling them at me.)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 15, 2013, 05:57:33 AM
Yeah, I was responding to Smooth's post that you condemned to obscurity when you started a new page.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 15, 2013, 06:03:49 AM
We've all been at the bottom of a page at least once in our life. Our own personal Benghazi's.

Actually, since I was thinking about it after mentioning it, in that ESPN book and the SNL one from the same authors, they do dwell a lot on how people were taking DRUGS and HAVING SEX. COWORKERS. WERE. HAVING SEX. (You can imagine how much the drug and sex content takes up of the SNL book in comparison.)

I take back what I said about it being decent, maybe half-decent. First part about the early days is good.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 15, 2013, 07:55:19 PM
How are Lakers still getting so much respeck from the refs?

:shaq2
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 15, 2013, 09:13:47 PM
Gotta give the Lakers some props for how hard they're playing

Seems like they wanna prove that they don't need no Mamba
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 15, 2013, 09:37:23 PM
Lakers-Pacers shows that having a closer is even more overrated than in baseball?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 15, 2013, 10:59:06 PM
the heat are kinda getting boring now
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 15, 2013, 11:00:37 PM
http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/9056725/boston-celtics-not-impressed-miami-heat-lengthy-streak
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 15, 2013, 11:15:58 PM
can't wait for that game
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 16, 2013, 11:03:53 PM
(http://www.gossipdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/mario2.jpg)
:rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 17, 2013, 02:50:04 PM
heat choking away this game
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 17, 2013, 03:52:51 PM
Game kinda shows how rebounding statistics are misleading in the NBA.

That game wasn't close outside of the late stretch by the raptors but the heat got outrebounded 51 to 26.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 17, 2013, 09:43:37 PM
God damn, Durant.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 17, 2013, 09:48:22 PM
Mike James is worse than Jay Cutler.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 17, 2013, 09:53:51 PM
Mike James is worse than two Jay Cutlers.

Did the Mavs fire all their advanced stats guys?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 18, 2013, 08:18:10 PM
I'd say this is Miami's last huge test of the season other than Spurs.  If Miami gets through Boston tonight, I don't see the streak ending for a while...
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 18, 2013, 08:47:23 PM
It doesn't look good for the streak tonight. Boston kicking ass so far.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 18, 2013, 09:24:44 PM
good game so far

that Lebron dunk would have felt much nastier if not for Deandre not too long ago
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 18, 2013, 10:15:43 PM
yeah miami ain't winning this one
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 18, 2013, 10:17:50 PM
jeff green with nigh 50  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 18, 2013, 10:20:59 PM
dagger
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 18, 2013, 10:33:25 PM
 :gladbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on March 18, 2013, 10:37:56 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 18, 2013, 10:33:25 PM
:gladbron
:superman
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Robo on March 18, 2013, 11:06:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K5mafdO2no

JaVale > LeBron + DeAndre

also the superior capitalization.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 18, 2013, 11:07:20 PM
amazing game, the Heat earned that one
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 18, 2013, 11:21:00 PM
LeBron with 29 FGA, 12 assists, and only 6 FTA.  Guess all that blatant David Stern star favoritism didn't demean this performance, at least.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 18, 2013, 11:46:28 PM
Of course a great fucking game and I was busy playing Battlefield.  :fbm I was just checking the scores on espn every so often.

I'll have to try to dvr the replay.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on March 18, 2013, 11:50:26 PM
McGee's man didn't kiss the paint. Deandre wins.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 19, 2013, 12:12:52 AM
If Jeff Green could be just HALF that good every night, the Celtics would be in fine shape but alas
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 19, 2013, 12:18:49 AM
reminder to self - find clip of Marc Gasol no-looking that lob to Tony Allen
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 19, 2013, 12:58:37 AM
I think Boston could absolutely beat the Pacers in a 7 game series, based on what I've seen from them the last few weeks.  Getting Garnett healthier would make me side with them, honestly.

Christ, if the Bulls keep shitting themselves, the Celtics will absolutely beat the Knicks in the playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 19, 2013, 01:25:07 AM
eh, Doc blatantly rested KG tonight. Boston's record with Bradley is about 22-12 I think, not top-tier but a huge improvement. Certainly they can beat the Knicks with Bradley (#1 on the ball defender in the NBA, officially...) hounding Felton full-time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on March 19, 2013, 04:01:19 AM
Fuck the Celtics and their dirty ass team leader.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 19, 2013, 04:28:19 AM
<pours large bowl of Honey Nut Cheerios>
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on March 19, 2013, 04:57:42 AM
I meant bitch ass Paul Pierce, but fuck KG too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 19, 2013, 05:27:30 AM
(http://sports.cbsimg.net/u/photos/basketball/nba/img18927299.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 19, 2013, 01:32:36 PM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/53d7aa0e1820c5821a0d5e551edd0a37/tumblr_mjwgliP0eD1qbqbieo2_400.gif)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/8b597d59d628c5d5ff0093938627ed4c/tumblr_mjwd6tDBE01s528fpo1_1280.jpg)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/723671c01b3f96466338ed312a642370/tumblr_mjw6a6hwuf1qc9ur1o1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 19, 2013, 01:35:27 PM
This streak is starting to annoy me. How can I bitch and moan about every little thing with the Heat if they keep on winning like this.  :fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 19, 2013, 01:40:28 PM
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/0317/dal_a_nowd_cr_600.jpg)
The beard is awesome.
Dirk's PER is rising. He has a chance to be over 20 for the 13th season in a row.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 19, 2013, 01:41:22 PM
Like a proud German Lion.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 19, 2013, 09:55:07 PM
well i was depressed about Jeff Green's career game being wasted until you posted that
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 19, 2013, 10:36:26 PM
Man the nuggets are fucking hot. 13 in a row. Beating OKC on the Road. They are only a half game out of 3rd place in the conference. Oh Carmelo.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 19, 2013, 11:00:20 PM
This is hot stuff. We've been teased with a little bit of what Sports Vu can do but here is the real deal. (plus more LeBron worship o/c)

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9068903/the-toronto-raptors-sportvu-cameras-nba-analytical-revolution

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiQWqXf2OLM
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 20, 2013, 09:11:24 PM
Steak over. Heat down by 27.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Mandark on March 20, 2013, 09:17:06 PM
Who had the Cavs without Kyrie Irving in the pool?  Sheesh.


edit: And it's cut to single digits before the end of the 3rd.  Heeeeeeeeere we go...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Beezy on March 20, 2013, 09:28:24 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 20, 2013, 09:11:24 PM
Steak over. Heat down by 27.
:mouf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Mandark on March 20, 2013, 09:36:36 PM
Tie game why not.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 20, 2013, 09:40:34 PM
Heat with the lead
(http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/4379/cherr.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 20, 2013, 09:47:11 PM
Quote from: Beezy on March 20, 2013, 09:28:24 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 20, 2013, 09:11:24 PM
Steak over. Heat down by 27.
:mouf

I was talking about my dinner not this game!

My steak was undercooked!!!

Go Heat!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 20, 2013, 11:50:52 PM
Quote
This season, the Cavaliers are now 3 and 3 in games they led by at least 20 points. The rest of the league is 332-11. ** Pending results of late games (WSH/PHX, PHI/LAC) ** 


The Heat scored 145.7 points per 100 possessions in the second half Wednesday, their third-highest offensive efficiency in any half this season. Miami grabbed 50.0 percent of its missed shots in the second half and scored 16 of its 19 second-chance points after halftime against the Cavaliers. 


Entering tonight, in the last 15 seasons, teams trailing by 27 or more in the second half were 5 and 2,013, a win percentage of .002 (two tenths of one percent). This type of comeback had happened essentially once in every 404 games that the opportunity came about in the last 15 seasons. The Heat, by the way, were 0-55 in those situations over the last 15 seasons. FYI, the comebacks: 


NEXT LEVEL: LeBron James scored 14 fourth-quarter points and assisted on another 8 points, accounting for 22 of the Heat's 30 fourth quarter points. No player has accounted for a higher percentage of his team's fourth-quarter offense this season. Percentage of team offense = (Pts scored + team pts off assists)/total team points 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 20, 2013, 11:56:13 PM
So who are seen as the two or three leading MVP candidates this season? Seems like LeBron is having a similar if not better season than last year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Mandark on March 21, 2013, 12:01:53 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 20, 2013, 11:56:13 PM
So who are seen as the two or three leading MVP candidates this season? Seems like LeBron is having a similar if not better season than last year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9lg6HqJeY0


Seriously, everyone should just skip to arguing about the other 4 first-team All NBA spots this year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 21, 2013, 12:03:22 AM
Lebron has it locked up. There was a desire to give it to Durant but you can't after the streak and Lebron's earlier personal streak.

Durant will be the runner-up.

After that some mix of Chris Paul, Tony Parker, and maybe Carmelo although the knicks falling off is dropping Carmelo bad.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Beezy on March 21, 2013, 12:08:37 AM
Parker is the best PG this season imo.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 21, 2013, 12:20:31 AM
Kobe will get more votes than Parker and Carmelo for sure



http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-on-5-130314/nba-experts-take-their-picks-league-superstars


Better 2012-13 season: James Harden or Kobe Bryant?


Foster: Kobe Bryant. Saying this season has been "vintage Kobe" is almost demeaning. Kobe has been more efficient than ever, and his assist percentage this year is a career best. It says a lot about Harden that he's in this conversation, but this has been an all-time season from an all-time great.



Gutierrez: Kobe Bryant. This one is a landslide. Bryant has an edge in all the obvious numbers. And when you consider he's older and has been dealing with coaching changes and more significant injuries, it makes you appreciate what Bryant is doing so much more. Harden has learned to be a superstar very quickly, but Bryant is still better at it.



Haubner: Kobe Bryant. Two remarkably similar players this season: Both have been high-minutes, heavy-offense, little-defense shooting guards for fringe playoff teams in the West, with very close PERs and nearly identical clutch numbers. Kobe gets it by a chin just because L.A.'s offense has collapsed when he has been out. MJ is the only guard with a higher PER at age 34-plus.



Strauss: Kobe Bryant, but only because this Lakers playoff quest has bizarrely turned him into something of a folk hero. Bryant and Harden have produced similar stats as high-volume scorers for good offenses, and I might even give Harden the efficiency edge. The bearded one just hasn't evoked the wonder of watching Bryant, at age 34, doggedly trying to land this rudderless plane of a Lakers season.



Young: Kobe Bryant. Considering that of all the incredible, unbelievable seasons Bryant has put up, this one might be one of his very best, it's kind of hard to argue that Harden's campaign has been better. Especially since the All-Star break. Kobe has gone through a few different phases this year, from scorer to facilitator to both -- and he really hasn't seen a drop in efficiency at any point.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 21, 2013, 12:46:40 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6583/anthony-davis

How good is Anthony Davis? 

21+ per is great for a rookie but 13pts/8rebs/1.8 blks is pretty disappointing for someone who was supposed to be the best rookie big man since Tim Duncan

Also Davis was hyped up by many to instantly become the best shot blocker in the league
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 21, 2013, 12:49:06 AM
(http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr01/2013/3/20/11/anigif_enhanced-buzz-27638-1363792783-0.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 21, 2013, 12:54:42 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 21, 2013, 12:46:40 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6583/anthony-davis

How good is Anthony Davis? 

21+ per is great for a rookie but 13pts/8rebs/1.8 blks is pretty disappointing for someone who was supposed to be the best rookie big man since Tim Duncan

Also Davis was hyped up by many to instantly become the best shot blocker in the league

Who said that  :lol

He was a great defensive player in college but wasn't great offensively. I think he can be very good in the NBA  though, he's not there yet
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 21, 2013, 01:00:05 AM
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8100861/page/2/welcome-fourth-showdown-two-guys-care-nba-more-do

Big men like Anthony Davis come along once or twice a decade. I think there's only three players in the NBA right now that teams WOULDN'T trade for Davis: LeBron James, Kevin Durant and Chris Paul. Normally Dwight Howard and Deron Williams would be in that discussion, too, and so would Derrick Rose. But with Howard and Williams threatening to bolt and Rose's injury woes, I think the Magic, Nets and Bulls would all pull the trigger.


http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-on-5-120403/nba-draft-anthony-davis-better-blake-griffin


1. Who would you rather have: '09 Blake Griffin or '12 Anthony Davis?

Danny Chau, Hardwood Paroxysm: Anthony Davis. He doesn't have the offensive polish that Blake Griffin had then, but the mishmash of skills from his guard-to-center transition should serve him well in the future. But on the other end, Davis is light-years ahead of Griffin (today) in defensive fundamentals, intensity and technique. Already. Davis is a year younger than Griffin when he declared. That's frightening.

Brett Koremenos, NBA Playbook: Anthony Davis. Griffin's entertainment value largely hides the fact he is a one-dimensional player. Davis, meanwhile, has the ability to be devastating defensively and, at the very least, a solid jump-shooter on offense. Even if the current version of Griffin was allowed back into this upcoming draft, I'd still pick Davis. His ceiling could be one of the top 20 or so players of all time.

John Krolik, Cavs: The Blog: I think Davis is the best pure prospect we've seen since LeBron James, with the possible exception of Greg Oden if he had been healthy his freshman year. With Griffin, there were questions about his size and length, especially considering his lack of a perimeter game, and his ability to be a game-changer on both ends of the floor. But Davis should be a hyper-efficient offensive center from Day 1 and could become one of the five best defensive players in the NBA sooner rather than later.

Ethan Sherwood Strauss, HoopSpeak: Anthony Davis. For all his great qualities, Griffin is a balky shooter and an extremely undersized defender. My ideal frontcourt players can defend and hit a standard pick-and-pop jumper. Davis can certainly do the former, and he's demonstrated the potential to do the latter. And if AD does the latter, his ceiling is higher than a ladder can reach.

David Thorpe, Scouts Inc.: '09 Griffin is the better player overall, but I'd rather have Davis going forward. His value on defense trumps Blake's power and skill on offense. I also score Davis higher on attitude.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Beezy on March 21, 2013, 01:00:41 AM
Please tell me that Chris Paul got fined for the worst flop of the year right there. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 21, 2013, 01:05:01 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 21, 2013, 01:00:05 AM
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8100861/page/2/welcome-fourth-showdown-two-guys-care-nba-more-do

Big men like Anthony Davis come along once or twice a decade. I think there's only three players in the NBA right now that teams WOULDN'T trade for Davis: LeBron James, Kevin Durant and Chris Paul. Normally Dwight Howard and Deron Williams would be in that discussion, too, and so would Derrick Rose. But with Howard and Williams threatening to bolt and Rose's injury woes, I think the Magic, Nets and Bulls would all pull the trigger.


http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-on-5-120403/nba-draft-anthony-davis-better-blake-griffin


1. Who would you rather have: '09 Blake Griffin or '12 Anthony Davis?

Danny Chau, Hardwood Paroxysm: Anthony Davis. He doesn't have the offensive polish that Blake Griffin had then, but the mishmash of skills from his guard-to-center transition should serve him well in the future. But on the other end, Davis is light-years ahead of Griffin (today) in defensive fundamentals, intensity and technique. Already. Davis is a year younger than Griffin when he declared. That's frightening.

Brett Koremenos, NBA Playbook: Anthony Davis. Griffin's entertainment value largely hides the fact he is a one-dimensional player. Davis, meanwhile, has the ability to be devastating defensively and, at the very least, a solid jump-shooter on offense. Even if the current version of Griffin was allowed back into this upcoming draft, I'd still pick Davis. His ceiling could be one of the top 20 or so players of all time.

John Krolik, Cavs: The Blog: I think Davis is the best pure prospect we've seen since LeBron James, with the possible exception of Greg Oden if he had been healthy his freshman year. With Griffin, there were questions about his size and length, especially considering his lack of a perimeter game, and his ability to be a game-changer on both ends of the floor. But Davis should be a hyper-efficient offensive center from Day 1 and could become one of the five best defensive players in the NBA sooner rather than later.

Ethan Sherwood Strauss, HoopSpeak: Anthony Davis. For all his great qualities, Griffin is a balky shooter and an extremely undersized defender. My ideal frontcourt players can defend and hit a standard pick-and-pop jumper. Davis can certainly do the former, and he's demonstrated the potential to do the latter. And if AD does the latter, his ceiling is higher than a ladder can reach.

David Thorpe, Scouts Inc.: '09 Griffin is the better player overall, but I'd rather have Davis going forward. His value on defense trumps Blake's power and skill on offense. I also score Davis higher on attitude.

I'd take Davis over Griffin too...but a twice in a decade player?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 21, 2013, 01:08:27 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 19, 2013, 01:35:27 PM
This streak is starting to annoy me. How can I bitch and moan about every little thing with the Heat if they keep on winning like this.  :fbm

"Heat are peaking at the wrong time, they're gonna be tired out when the playoff get here!" :sadbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 21, 2013, 01:09:50 AM
"Best pure prospect we've seen since LeBron James"?

I'd be surprised if Davis' production matches KD, Westbrook, Harden, Kyrie in the next 5 years
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 21, 2013, 01:23:11 AM
Elpresador :bow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNzMHBA1okk
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Mandark on March 21, 2013, 01:23:25 AM
Looking at his stat lines, the people hyping him up as a prospect seem a lot closer to being vindicated than certain people calling him the next Marcus Camby.

:teehee
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 21, 2013, 01:38:49 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hcgw_q0-Gx8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqe36-vRz3g
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Steve Contra on March 21, 2013, 03:41:37 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 21, 2013, 01:08:27 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 19, 2013, 01:35:27 PM
This streak is starting to annoy me. How can I bitch and moan about every little thing with the Heat if they keep on winning like this.  :fbm

"Heat are peaking at the wrong time, they're gonna be tired out when the playoff get here!" :sadbron
I've seen a variation on this several times.  This isn't the time you want to get hot!

 :troll
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 21, 2013, 10:39:44 PM
Even I'm not that much of a jackass to jump on that bandwagon. Honestly this is exactly what I wanted from the Heat. To fucking take the regular season seriously at least in the sense of getting into good habits of playing. Because in the end that's all you have.

This current heat team is so night and day from when they originally got together when it was just Lebron and Wade taking turns dominating the ball. They actually play like a real basketball team. Players move without the ball and cut properly. It's been a nice evolution to watch.

Don't get me wrong. They don't execute like the Spurs or something. But they are so much better than they were in the past.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 21, 2013, 10:43:05 PM
those veterans are really paying off, although we're only seeing them in short bursts. the 5 man line-up data is pretty clear that Battier and Allen are the best back-ups for the big 3 and probably what we'll see most of during the playoffs. In which case, everyone else may as well forget it. Only the Thunder can approach the Heat's ceiling in the playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 21, 2013, 10:51:22 PM
Battier has played fucking awesome this season. Much better from 3 point land. And they often ask him to do impossible things on defense like play against bruising power forwards and he gives it his best effort every night. You can't ask for more than that. I always liked that dude and its nice that he's having a good season to back it up.


Ray Allen has been awesome and is gonna be so huge in the playoffs. His defense fucking sucks nowadays but whatever. I'll take that three point shooting in the tradeoff.

Birdman gives good effort and energy.

You never know what you are going to get from Chalmers but I'll take his over 40% from 3 point land this season.

It fucking feels like a real team with a real bench. The bench may not be as talented as some others but I feel like everybody knows their role. This is a team you can like imo because everybody just does what they are supposed to do. I'm not sure I could say that about the Heat of the past. Even last year where it felt more like a Herculean effort by Lebron won them the title in the playoffs.

We'll see I guess when we get to the playoffs this year.


Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 21, 2013, 11:12:21 PM
I don't know what question remains to be answered tbh. They're the best by a country mile, regardless of the standings or the seedings.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 21, 2013, 11:23:42 PM
The nuggets just got a miracle comeback against the 76ers.

Got a huge 3 point foul call at the end. Not sure if it was a foul though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 21, 2013, 11:25:25 PM
Doug Collins is going to have a stroke after this game.  :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 22, 2013, 01:25:04 AM
Is it still true that Doug Collins doesn't care about stats?

I read that a few days ago, like how he doesn't give a crap the long 2 is supposedly a terrible shot
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Mandark on March 22, 2013, 01:39:40 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 22, 2013, 01:25:04 AM
Is it still true that Doug Collins doesn't care about stats?

I read that a few days ago, like how he doesn't give a crap the long 2 is supposedly a terrible shot

I'm stealing someone else's insight here, but the Sixers defense is based on forcing the other team into a lot of long 2-point jumpers, while their offense is based on... taking a lot of long 2-point jumpers.  It's pretty confusing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 22, 2013, 01:46:57 AM
Doug Collins is the white Mike Brown?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 22, 2013, 02:05:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0st48B4wm4
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Mandark on March 22, 2013, 02:08:44 AM
Well, Mike Brown's seen as genial but not too authoritative, whereas Collins is a demanding, high-stress coach who wears out his players after a year or two.  So he's like the white Scott Skiles.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 22, 2013, 02:30:40 AM
Their offense was clearly intended to be Andrew Bynum kicks it out to 4 shooters or Jrue Holiday drives /kicks it out, and now it's all fucked
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: etiolate on March 22, 2013, 02:20:00 PM
Quote
SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- The effort to keep the Sacramento Kings from moving to Seattle got a boost from a Silicon Valley software tycoon who stepped forward as lead investor.

The Sacramento Bee reports that Vivek Ranadive will lead Sacramento's bid to keep the team, joining health-club financier Mark Mastrov and billionaire Ron Burkle.

Ranadive's involvement comes after NBA commissioner David Stern said earlier this month that the Sacramento group's offer needed to be increased before league owners would consider it.

Sacramento mayor Kevin Johnson, who recruited the Burkle-Mastrov group, said that adding Ranadive takes the effort "to the next level."

Ranadive is chairman and chief executive of TIBCO Software and already part owner of the Golden State Warriors.

If the bid is successful, he would sell his stake in the Warriors.

Interesting move. I wonder if this was influenced by Stern while he was in Oakland.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 22, 2013, 02:34:27 PM
kings are gone dude.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 22, 2013, 08:14:20 PM
not just a hypebeast, Nate still has some bounce,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNnLAG3KwjM
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Fifstar on March 22, 2013, 09:05:50 PM
Can't believe Nazr Mohammed is still playing, he had always the worst ratings in NBA Live.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 22, 2013, 09:15:05 PM
A little NCAA talk:

FUCK YOU GEORGETOWN  :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 22, 2013, 09:23:22 PM
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/0322/ncb_a_fgcgtown3_576.jpg)

Who's this?  I thought he was a female player at first glance
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 23, 2013, 01:56:24 AM
John Wall looked like 1st ballot HOF tonight

When Wall is on, you can see why scouts thought he was a bigger talent than even Westbrook and Rose

Super fluid athleticism and nice vision

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 23, 2013, 02:05:05 AM
Georgetown  :dead
Wisconsin  :dude
Pittsburgh  :sadbron

worst first round of the tournament for me, ever. I can still win the GAF bracket though
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 23, 2013, 03:35:28 AM
Quote
LOS ANGELES -- In a season in which the Los Angeles Lakers have pushed the reset button seemingly a half-dozen times already, Friday's 103-100 loss to the Washington Wizards left coach Mike D'Antoni sounding like he'd prefer to reach for the off switch at this point.

"This is a good team that just for whatever reason can't collectively mentally get stimulated to [play hard] every time," D'Antoni said after the Lakers wasted an 18-point first-half lead. "I told them today, we put our hands in [the huddle], and you guys have probably seen it, we say, 'Championship,' and go out [on the floor]. That's laughable. Championship? You got to be kidding me. Nobody understands the importance of every possession offensively and defensively. Every time they got to come out with some kind of determination to be a good basketball team, and [until] then, we're just, we're fooling ourselves. Right now, that's what we're doing. We're just making a 'sham-mockery' out of it."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 24, 2013, 02:23:05 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4XtjFMuKCY
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 24, 2013, 10:01:12 PM
So...34 is gonna happen, isn't it?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 24, 2013, 10:36:31 PM
@ Spurs and @Chicago in the next 5 games could easily be losses if the other teams are motivated that night. I don't think it will happen just because the closer it gets, the more up the other teams will be.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 24, 2013, 10:47:53 PM
The Heat have to start thinking about resting their vets (i.e. everyone who plays...) at some point. They haven't really been pushing the Big 3 all that hard though, and Battier/Allen have had it pretty easy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 24, 2013, 11:42:26 PM
Bron only played 34 mins tonight even though he only needed just 2 more boards for a triple double
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Mandark on March 24, 2013, 11:43:37 PM
Wizards would be #35.  Glad that if it happens my guys won't be the other team in that part of all the highlight reels.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 25, 2013, 12:04:37 AM
Best thing about the streak is Bron having to play hard to keep it going

It'd be interesting to see if Bron can get his PER back to 32 or more

True landmark season if he did
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 25, 2013, 12:07:33 AM
I can see the headlines already: Nerd with calculator says LeBron's season is pretty good.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 25, 2013, 12:14:02 AM
Don't need a calculator to know how well The King is doing

:troll


(http://i.imgur.com/6x5iM1h.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 25, 2013, 12:17:22 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/6x5iM1h.png)
Add please.

Also, why aren't there two dozen Vince Carter's?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Mandark on March 25, 2013, 12:19:18 AM
The Vince Carter one should be a gif that cycles through pictures of him prone in the jersey of each team he's joined.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 25, 2013, 12:23:16 AM
searching google:
(http://www.pickandroll.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Vince-Carter-o-rei-das-enterradas.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 25, 2013, 12:26:13 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 25, 2013, 12:04:37 AM
Best thing about the streak is Bron having to play hard to keep it going

It'd be interesting to see if Bron can get his PER back to 32 or more

True landmark season if he did

it would be really REALLY tough to raise his season PER by even 0.2 at this point of the season so I think firmly 32 is out of reach (note - i pulled this out of my ass and didn't use a calculator of any sort. Just basing off discussions of say, how far behind Durant is in PER vs LeBron over the past few years even though the numbers seem very close to the casual observer).

Basically I think Wade would have to sit out the rest of the season and LeBron would need to go full-on Cavs 2008 style, but better. He could do it - as evidenced by past playoff PERs - but he wouldn't need to.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 25, 2013, 12:26:45 AM
the look of awe on 55 would make a great smiley
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 25, 2013, 12:28:12 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 25, 2013, 12:26:45 AM
the look of awe on 55 would make a great smiley
Andrew DeClercq has a name.
lol just noticed the url at the bottom left hand corner.

edit:
Somehow, DeClerq made $17,908,500 in the NBA.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 25, 2013, 01:51:09 PM
Quote
Kobe Bryant is keeping a $20,000-plus bottle of bubbly on ice in case his Lakers win a title. As his team looks NBA playoff-bound, Bryant was presented with a Black Gold Jeroboam of 1998 Dom Pérignon — of which there are only 50 — and he cockily quipped, “We’ll pop this in June.”
http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/money_on_ice_duqNIjBj5s4JgjNdqYne9O

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/addict4sneakers/LEBRON-DURANT-STAR.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 25, 2013, 02:21:35 PM
Lebron has the other 49.  One for each championship  :troll
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Beezy on March 25, 2013, 03:11:21 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 25, 2013, 02:21:35 PM
Lebron has the other 49.  One for each championship  :troll
:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 25, 2013, 09:43:41 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 25, 2013, 12:26:13 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 25, 2013, 12:04:37 AM
Best thing about the streak is Bron having to play hard to keep it going

It'd be interesting to see if Bron can get his PER back to 32 or more

True landmark season if he did

it would be really REALLY tough to raise his season PER by even 0.2 at this point of the season so I think firmly 32 is out of reach (note - i pulled this out of my ass and didn't use a calculator of any sort. Just basing off discussions of say, how far behind Durant is in PER vs LeBron over the past few years even though the numbers seem very close to the casual observer).

Basically I think Wade would have to sit out the rest of the season and LeBron would need to go full-on Cavs 2008 style, but better. He could do it - as evidenced by past playoff PERs - but he wouldn't need to.

went from 31.07 to 31.32 with last night's game

 :troll
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 25, 2013, 10:00:22 PM
Looks like the nuggets streak will end tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 25, 2013, 10:12:59 PM
Nice espn insider piece on Chris Anderson. He deserves the daps.

Some highlights.

Quote
The Heat are 28-1 when Chris Andersen has played this season. Twenty-nine games, 28 wins. The only loss came against the Indiana Pacers on Feb. 1. Aside from that blip, the Heat are undefeated when Andersen has stepped on the court this season.

Of course, a “when Player X has played” stat can be misleading. It’s not as if Andersen’s four total minutes against the Detroit Pistons in late January single-handedly propelled the Heat to victory that night. Only a fool would suggest that Andersen has more fingerprints on Miami’s win streak than, say, LeBron James.

But Andersen has given this team something that they’ve never had: a skilled big man who could play above the rim on both ends of the floor. This isn’t another frontcourt flier like Erick Dampier, Eddy Curry, Josh Harrellson, Mickell Gladness, Ronny Turiaf or even Zydrunas Ilgauskas. The man they call “Birdman” is a different animal.


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Spoelstra wants to force the defense to make as many tough decisions as possible. Andersen is an absolute nightmare to guard in the pick-and-roll when he sets a screen for James and Wade. Who do you load up on? The Heat have been repeatedly drilling the spread pick-and-roll in practices and shootarounds because that question is excruciating for defenses to answer. When Andersen rolls to the rim, it forces a gravitational pull to the paint. If help doesn’t come, it’s Lob City. If the defense collapses, it’s an Allen or Battier 3-pointer waiting to happen.


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Of course, at age 34, injury is still a concern for Andersen, but it’s hard to convey how desperate the Heat were for this kind of presence. Consider that Andersen’s 15.3 PER is the highest of any Heat player outside James, Wade and Bosh since 2010-11 (minimum 10 minutes per game)




http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/17135/chris-andersen-miamis-missing-piece
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Beezy on March 25, 2013, 10:42:24 PM
Of course I play against a team that has John Wall this week... :fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 25, 2013, 11:41:22 PM
:drudge :deadkobe :drudge

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 25, 2013, 11:57:25 PM
i'm watching the Washington Walls right now, should I switch to the Lakers?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 26, 2013, 12:10:49 AM
Wall is beasting but how you gonna miss the Lakers' new streak?

:childplease
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 26, 2013, 12:13:04 AM
i guess <wearily thumbs X on remote to go into split screen>
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 26, 2013, 02:01:17 AM
Very interesting article on Andersen.  On a different team, he'd absolutely be the starting center, but this Heat team is...small.  Even their starters.  Bosh is 6'11 but he is skinny as dick, and doesn't really threaten inside the paint as other starting centers do.  Bosh to me does best from high post jumpers or from a bit above the charity line.  Honestly his jumper is one of their best.  Andersen has a bit more bulk and seems to have success with inside blocks/defense.  It'd be interesting to see a starting lineup of Wade, Chalmers, Lebron, Andersen, and Bosh, where Bosh stays out for jumpers and Lebron and Andersen cover most of the inside.

But that would get rid of Battier's great on-the-ball defense...I'd like to see Andersen used more often though, fun guy to watch.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 26, 2013, 12:59:51 PM
Nice Grantland article on the Heat offense. I've been thinking the same recently so its nice to see my eye test confirmed.

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The most important and perhaps improbable thing about the 2012-13 Miami Heat, and their monstrous 27-game winning streak, is how easily everything comes on offense now. Miami leads the league in points per possession, and on the surface that's not so surprising. The Heat have been a very good offensive team for three seasons, and they have the world's greatest player, two more All-Stars, and an array of role players picked specifically because of how snugly they fit around those stars. And those stars are putting up crazy numbers — 52 percent–plus shooting for each of them, including an insane 55.7 percent from LeBron James, who should be the unanimous choice for MVP.

But all the justified focus on the individual numbers obscures a larger, better story: These Heat look almost nothing like the 2010-11 version that melted away against Dallas in the Finals, and they don't even look much like the team that took the floor for the bulk of their championship campaign last season.




Quote
The Heat ranked eighth in points per 100 possessions last season, sporting a mark about two points above the league's overall average, per Basketball-Reference.com.2 They're no. 1 this season, a full seven points over the league's overall average — a huge five-point year-over-year jump in comparison to the NBA's general scoring output.

Only four teams have ever improved this much on offense in Year 2 after having merely an above-average offense in Year 1; the Heat will be the fifth such team.

The other four:

• 1971-72 Los Angeles Lakers: an all-time great team, owner of the 33-game streak Miami is chasing.

• 1995-96 Chicago Bulls (Michael Jordan's first full season back from retirement).

• 1997-98 Los Angeles Lakers: Shaquille O'Neal plays nine more games than prior season, Kobe Bryant no longer a rookie.

• 2003-04 Sacramento Kings.


http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9098417/how-miami-heat-went-historic-winning-streak-came-dominate-league
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 26, 2013, 01:16:38 PM
Final couple of weeks should be fun for that 8th spot. With the Lakers recent losing streak almost certainly the best they could hope for is the 8th seed and they are only up one game on the Jazz and 1 and a half on the Mavericks.

One problem the Lakers have is that they lose the tiebreaker with the Jazz so they have to win that last position outright.

As far as games remaining.


Dallas ( 12 games remaining ) :
HOME: 7
ROAD: 5


L.A. Lakers ( 11 games remaining ) :
HOME: 6
ROAD: 5

Utah ( 11 games remaining ) :
HOME: 7
ROAD: 4

The Lakers schedule isn't especially easy either. They are a bad road team and some of their remaining home games are difficult.


April 2 Home versus the Mavericks in a really big game.
April 5 Home versus the Grizzlies
April 12 Home versus Golden State
April 14 Home versus Spurs. Spurs will probably be resting players big time at this point but they are still a tough team.
April 17 Home versus Rockets.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 26, 2013, 08:29:40 PM
so much Laker drama coming in the offseason after their 1st round obliteration, so much

Nash and Gasol have basically destroyed their market value, Kobe is playing so well that fans will be clamoring to give him an extension, Kobe saying that resigning the 2nd best player in the league when healthy is 'a very tough decision' oh god oh god, we will be lucky to hear about anything else
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Beezy on March 26, 2013, 08:34:36 PM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/kobe-bryant-compiles-helpful-list-of-435-aspects-o,31814/

 :deadkobe :deadkobe :deadkobe
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 26, 2013, 08:47:23 PM
:lol

anyone remember that shoot-out when Jamison got 54 and Kobe got 51 or whatever? Hard to believe that Kobe is still playing at that level when every one of his peers has dropped off so much

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 26, 2013, 09:17:07 PM
maybe it's cuz :childplease is on offense and :deadkobe is on defense


http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2013/3/23/4139126/lakers-analysis-2013-kobe-bad-defense-lakers-wizards

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/55877/an-open-letter-to-kobe-bryant-about-his-defense

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 26, 2013, 09:28:02 PM
oh yeah, that's not in doubt

But given the number of YOUNG players who provide only offense and negative defense (James Harden, Kyrie Irving, Damian Lillard among the worst) but still get All-Star nods or whatever, it's hard to fault Kobe too much. I mean, at least he HAD a rep at one point even if he doesn't now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Beezy on March 26, 2013, 09:51:19 PM
:piss Celtics :piss2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 26, 2013, 10:01:05 PM
:spitzer
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 26, 2013, 10:12:53 PM
:deadpierce?

(http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/paulpierce.jpg)

(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/441/017/99972265_display_image.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 26, 2013, 10:26:10 PM
Wifey material in women's basketball? :whoo

(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/0324/ncw_u_diggins01jr_200.jpg)

(http://espn.go.com/photo/2012/0313/etick_delle_done_02.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Beezy on March 26, 2013, 10:28:49 PM
Who's the first girl?

Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 26, 2013, 10:12:53 PM
:deadpierce?

(http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/paulpierce.jpg)

(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/441/017/99972265_display_image.jpg)
#FuckPaulPierce
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 26, 2013, 10:31:33 PM
How's a nicca not gonna know Skylar Diggins?

 :comeon

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Beezy on March 26, 2013, 11:00:18 PM
I've seen pics of her in normal clothing. I don't know how she looks on the court or what team she plays for.

:manny
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 26, 2013, 11:12:06 PM
dem skylar diggins nudes  :datass
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 26, 2013, 11:38:40 PM
Better watch what you say about my future wife, son!

 :ufup

spoiler (click to show/hide)
But hook a brother up if they're real :mouf 
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Beezy on March 27, 2013, 12:12:46 AM
saw those too :nah
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 27, 2013, 12:15:28 AM
These? Any uncensored ones?

:nsfw
http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2013/02/alleged-skylar-diggins-naked-photos-hit-the-net-video/


Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 27, 2013, 12:15:51 AM
they look fake though, she doesn't seem that stacked
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 27, 2013, 12:30:50 AM
The Clippers - Mavs game is crazy. Griffin actually completed a length-of-the-court lob in 0.2 seconds to win the game with 0.4 left on the clock but got it waved off as an offensive charge. CP3 going bananas taking all the shots
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 27, 2013, 12:31:07 AM
in OT now btw :drudge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 27, 2013, 12:32:29 AM
damn, better start watching now

usually I'd go for the home team but :deadkobe takes priority
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 27, 2013, 12:36:52 AM
CP3 is secretly the game's biggest ballhog in close games btw
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 27, 2013, 12:38:54 AM
CP3 is also the only Clipper that gets much respeck from the refs in close games
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 27, 2013, 12:44:13 AM
3 right here will be mad drama
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 27, 2013, 12:44:30 AM
awesome job defending against VC there
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 27, 2013, 12:44:49 AM
dang Vince is salty
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 27, 2013, 12:48:55 AM
Damn, Barnes!

:lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 27, 2013, 12:59:02 AM
that was embarrassing :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 27, 2013, 01:22:26 AM
Chad Ford's evaluation of this year's draft pool is pretty sad

No wonder Anthony Davis was so highly touted last year

Plenty more of :crazybron for the next 10 years unless high school and college programs get their shit together
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2013, 01:58:55 AM
:rejoice Trey Burke is the next Chris Paul :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Mandark on March 27, 2013, 06:18:12 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on March 27, 2013, 01:22:26 AM
Chad Ford's evaluation of this year's draft pool is pretty sad

No wonder Anthony Davis was so highly touted last year

Plenty more of :crazybron for the next 10 years unless high school and college programs get their shit together

Quote from: Smooth Groove on February 15, 2012, 02:26:33 AM
Anthony Davis is talented but I don't think he'll be a superstar regardless of which team drafts him.  Although Davis will be a huge defensive presence, he is unlikley to be much more than a passable player on offense. I see him as the next Tyson Chandler/Marcus Camby.

Marcus Camby, highest PER: 20.9 in 2000-01

Tyson Chandler, highest PER: 19.4, 2012-13

Anthony Davis, rookie PER at the age of 19: 21.5

A list of rookie seasons for centers who have joined the league since Tim Duncan. (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&per_minute_base=36&type=advanced&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=1999&year_max=2013&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=mp&c1comp=gt&c1val=600&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ws)

Interestingly Drummond is right there with him, which is only a bit surprising since basically everyone said he was the best pure athlete/had the most raw potential/etc.  But Davis is having a really good rookie campaign by any reasonable standard.  Per 36 minutes he's averaging 16/10 with over two blocks a game, while taking care of the ball and shooting a high percentage.  As a teenager.

Maybe he peaks as a 19 year old and never gets any better than this, but I wouldn't put money on it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 27, 2013, 09:13:21 AM
If the Mavs make the playoffs, Dirk's beard should get 6th Man of the Year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2013, 06:17:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQz7CtnL2pY

reminds me of my days playing JV at a Baptist private school :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 27, 2013, 06:41:22 PM
Quote
JV

 :comeon
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2013, 06:56:34 PM
I didn't dominate in varsity or AAU but I was good! But them JV years, I was a god :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 27, 2013, 07:03:12 PM
Quote
Phil Jackson ‏@PhilJackson11 1h
11 champ;ipnsikp[ ringhs


https://twitter.com/PhilJackson11


 :childplease
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 27, 2013, 07:13:58 PM
 :orly
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 27, 2013, 07:15:15 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 27, 2013, 09:13:21 AM
If the Mavs make the playoffs, Dirk's beard should get 6th Man of the Year.
http://deadspin.com/the-evolution-of-dirk-nowitzkis-beard-460804917
(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18is1vdlz6r5bjpg/ku-xlarge.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Beezy on March 27, 2013, 08:49:46 PM
JR has been playing so much better since this was made:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGT1dQHEd7E

 :rejoice :rejoice :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Beezy on March 27, 2013, 08:55:38 PM
Dirk looks like a White Walker.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 27, 2013, 09:21:34 PM
knicks 69 points in the first half

  :leon
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 27, 2013, 09:28:57 PM
(http://cdn2.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/LEBRON-TACKLE1.gif)

the fuck.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 27, 2013, 09:47:15 PM
Can't stop, won't stop.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 27, 2013, 09:51:35 PM
butler dunked over top bosh, holy shit :lawd
Title: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: T-Short on March 27, 2013, 09:51:46 PM
Wow, Bosh got destroyed on that alley-oop
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 27, 2013, 10:05:41 PM
heat gonna lose
Title: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: T-Short on March 27, 2013, 10:32:02 PM
LeBron. He mad
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 27, 2013, 10:36:05 PM
HOW THE FUCK WAS THAT NOT A FOUL ON HEINRICH
Title: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: T-Short on March 27, 2013, 10:37:42 PM
Dagger?
Title: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: T-Short on March 27, 2013, 10:39:25 PM
lmao Boozer
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 27, 2013, 10:44:20 PM
there have been so many fouls by the bulls that were no calls
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 27, 2013, 10:46:13 PM
This is the game that I would have guessed to end the streak anyway. The bulls always play hard. They are always motivated. They already give the heat problems. And the Heat maybe had been coasting the last few.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 27, 2013, 10:51:36 PM
ugh, don't edit the thread title please...still watching the game here
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 27, 2013, 11:08:26 PM
:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 27, 2013, 11:18:08 PM
Whoops. Sorry  :fbm

I won't edit thread titles anymore until the next day.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 27, 2013, 11:24:23 PM
Guess Lebron didn't have the clutch gene after all :skip
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 27, 2013, 11:30:05 PM
He didn't seem like he wanted it more.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 27, 2013, 11:35:27 PM
aw how can i stay mad at you stoney, come to my arms  :manny
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 27, 2013, 11:36:26 PM
folks on my twitter salty talking about Kobe's 5 rings, fear the growing legacy of #6
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 27, 2013, 11:38:20 PM
wait what do you mean by that?  context pls
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 27, 2013, 11:47:03 PM
Lakers fans getting defensive due to LeBron's streak going into the books, bringing up rings i.e. the status quo continues
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: etiolate on March 28, 2013, 06:00:31 AM
The Kings own the Warriors for some reason.

One of the odd things about Cousins this year is how it seems the news of the Seattle sale and possible move has coincided with his own slumps. Bad news about the future of the Kings and his game falls off. Good news and he has a string of good games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 28, 2013, 11:10:01 AM
That 7% of the Kings ownership that was up for auction in bankruptcy court? Chris Hansen had the highest bid.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/sonics/2013/03/27/report-chris-hansen-buys-7-of-kings-via-bankruptcy-aution/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 28, 2013, 11:49:42 AM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on March 28, 2013, 11:10:01 AM
That 7% of the Kings ownership that was up for auction in bankruptcy court? Chris Hansen had the highest bid.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/sonics/2013/03/27/report-chris-hansen-buys-7-of-kings-via-bankruptcy-aution/

 :sitdown
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 28, 2013, 12:19:55 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 28, 2013, 11:49:42 AM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on March 28, 2013, 11:10:01 AM
That 7% of the Kings ownership that was up for auction in bankruptcy court? Chris Hansen had the highest bid.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/sonics/2013/03/27/report-chris-hansen-buys-7-of-kings-via-bankruptcy-aution/

 :sitdown

:lol

Wrong Chris Hansen.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 28, 2013, 01:00:08 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 27, 2013, 11:24:23 PM
Guess Lebron didn't have the clutch gene after all :skip
http://www.the-coli.com/coliseum/101040-lets-talk-about-lebron-being-soft.html#.UVR3EzdWIU5
:skip
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: Mandark on March 28, 2013, 01:21:43 PM
People forget how much MJ complained about the Pistons back in the day.

If you listen to the postgame interview after the Bulls beat Detroit in the ECF, Jordan sounds like Arsene Wenger talking about Stoke.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 28, 2013, 01:24:47 PM
well yea but the Pistons were a legit dirty team, whereas LeBron seems mad people don't fall over when he runs into them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: Mandark on March 28, 2013, 01:29:46 PM
Jordan would also just make shit up and then believe it just so he could feel slighted by his opponents, like he was on both ends of a chain e-mail.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 28, 2013, 01:34:35 PM
basketball players bitch about calls, news at 11
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 28, 2013, 08:05:03 PM
is LeBron leading the league in And-Is again this year? haters gon hate
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 28, 2013, 09:12:51 PM
yuck is Lakers-Bucks really the best game you have for me today, NBA? Might be time to go back and watch something I missed
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 28, 2013, 09:15:43 PM
Indy/Dallas aint a bad matchup
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 28, 2013, 10:05:25 PM
 :drudge :deadkobe :drudge

time to jump in

:phil
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 28, 2013, 10:08:43 PM
If Dallas wins and LA loses...oh my!  :sabu
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 28, 2013, 10:12:06 PM
:deadkobe watch is the best thing in the NBA right now

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 28, 2013, 10:24:30 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/gzPGoNX.png) still haven't won both back to back games all year

:rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 28, 2013, 10:41:43 PM
from some laker fan:

Quote
Yep. Wade is Queen Bitch. Always has been always will be. Dude won off the back of Shaq and now LeBron. Luckiest player in history.

smh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 28, 2013, 10:52:20 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 28, 2013, 10:41:43 PM
from some laker fan:

Quote
Yep. Wade is Queen Bitch. Always has been always will be. Dude won off the back of Shaq and now LeBron. Luckiest player in history.

smh
:rofl

can't be real.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 28, 2013, 10:59:03 PM
its motherfucking cloving too, who I actually really like
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 29, 2013, 12:43:44 AM
Bill Walton's doing the Kings/Suns game tonight

"That was the fifth worst possession in the history of Phoenix Suns basketball. And who would have thought we'd see two of the six worst in the same game?"
:rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 29, 2013, 12:57:38 AM
:rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 29, 2013, 01:21:30 AM
christ :rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: Beezy on March 29, 2013, 03:27:02 PM
I haven't read this yet, but I thought y'all would be interested:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9109245/how-lebron-james-transformed-game-become-highly-efficient-scoring-machine
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 29, 2013, 04:25:21 PM
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/0328/grant_i_LeBronKickingOuttoShooters.jpg)

 :mouf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 29, 2013, 05:46:04 PM
Quote
There hasn't been a team in the last 20 years that has been hit harder by injuries than this Lakers team. Without the injuries they'd be too in the West and gunning for that 17th chip.

cloving pls.  I'm sure the rockets have some claim in this
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: Smooth Groove on March 29, 2013, 06:43:09 PM
Pat Riley on Danny Ainge comments about  :sadbron

"He needs to STFU and manage his own team. He was the biggest whiner going when he was playing. I know that because I coached against him."

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/21970431/pat-riley-on-danny-ainge-he-needs-to-shut-the-f-up

 :badass :gladbron :holeup :kobeyuck :whoo :ooh :skip :crazybron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: Mandark on March 29, 2013, 06:48:43 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 29, 2013, 05:46:04 PM
Quote
There hasn't been a team in the last 20 years that has been hit harder by injuries than this Lakers team. Without the injuries they'd be too in the West and gunning for that 17th chip.

cloving pls.  I'm sure the rockets have some claim in this

If it weren't for huge, career-altering injuries the Lakers would be looking up at the Roy/Oden/Aldridge Blazers right now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 29, 2013, 06:52:21 PM
Oh yeah I meant to say blazers, not rockets.  For some reason I was thinking Oden was a rocket
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 29, 2013, 10:53:08 PM
(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2398503/treyhero_medium.gif)
http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2013/3/29/4163412/ncaa-tournament-2013-michigan-kansas-reaction
Trey Burke :rejoice

lol @ that "pick"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 31, 2013, 10:25:19 AM

Fear the Beard: 14-17 and 5-6 from three
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aSVqETWn80

March: .548 FG%, .468 3P%, .941 FT%
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 31, 2013, 11:02:42 AM
(http://i.minus.com/ihLrJ4yO2wicD.gif)

 :dead2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: Steve Contra on March 31, 2013, 06:00:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itDNYl2Q1pY

 :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: OptimoPeach on March 31, 2013, 06:08:07 PM
^Man I can look at some pretty sick gore stuff without batting an eyelash but watching bones break always makes me squirm
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 31, 2013, 07:05:13 PM
preview of the finals on now :hyper
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 31, 2013, 07:27:35 PM
oh snap
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 31, 2013, 07:34:06 PM
will skip ahead and try to watch this one 'live'
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 31, 2013, 07:36:43 PM
uh, pretty sure LeBron will be playing in the Finals, wtf is this shit with Mike Miller and Rashard Lewis
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: Mandark on March 31, 2013, 07:41:23 PM
Have the Heat and Spurs played a competitive, full-strength game in the LeBron era?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 31, 2013, 07:43:52 PM
i bet Pop is beyond salty about being Pop-ped
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: Mandark on March 31, 2013, 07:44:32 PM
Not as salty as he'll be when the Heat don't get fined.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 31, 2013, 08:48:09 PM
miami winnings with their scrubs

wat
Title: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: T-Short on March 31, 2013, 09:13:22 PM
Damn, Dre Drummond just aired two FT:s in a row
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: T-Short on March 31, 2013, 09:42:44 PM
And we lose by one. :drummondcry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Streak over. Move along. Nothing to see here)
Post by: Steve Contra on March 31, 2013, 09:47:37 PM
Sitting Wade and Bron against the Spurs in kind of a shit move :punch
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 31, 2013, 11:26:47 PM
 :nsfw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os7HP7F60vo
 :nsfw
jesus fuck, that's worse than the Lattimore injury
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 01, 2013, 01:51:58 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG_vdeu8dGE
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 01, 2013, 01:54:55 AM
NSFW DO NOT LOOK IF SQUEEMISH.  AFFOREMENTIONED NCAA INJURY

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://i.imgur.com/6gWpoez.jpg)
[close]
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 01, 2013, 03:23:20 AM
(http://i.minus.com/iniILpN7Xz75E.gif)

full video/reaction
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br0sbGmlvUY
wow

They rallied from that in a way I haven't seen in a long time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on April 01, 2013, 04:54:03 AM
holy fuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: treythemovie on April 01, 2013, 05:50:02 AM
Watching Ware's injury live in HD was horrifying. Especially since it took a bit for you to realize what you just witnessed. I'm just glad the mics didn't pick up the bone shattering sound and accompanying scream that occurred (that or the time delay guys were real good).
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on April 01, 2013, 12:19:57 PM
good fucking god at that pic FUCK
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on April 01, 2013, 12:24:11 PM
Omg.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 01, 2013, 01:10:46 PM
Really wish I hadn't clicked on that spoiler.  :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 01, 2013, 03:13:41 PM
Apparently it was a relatively easy procedure and he'll be able to play next year  :o
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 01, 2013, 06:13:43 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 01, 2013, 03:13:41 PM
Apparently it was a relatively easy procedure and he'll be able to play next year  :o

Dang, I figured that was the end of his basketball career with how bad that injury looked. Crazy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 01, 2013, 06:23:09 PM
Well it probably is effectively over past college, but he could still be a factor in the NCAA.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on April 01, 2013, 06:39:54 PM
As gruesome as it is, bone breaks don't seem to have the same long-term implications of say, major joint injuries.

In any case, I really hope the kid has good insurance.  I know some student athletes wind up on the hook for treating injuries they suffered in-game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 01, 2013, 07:12:21 PM
There's a chance he could lose his scholarship due to the injury too
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-400_162-57577286/kevin-ware-injury-could-put-scholarship-at-risk/

Pretty sad that a booster can buy a player a Bentley (and get away with it for 2-3 years), but I bet if alumni offended to pay Ware's medical bills the NCAA would immediately throw a fit. Hopefully this all gets straightened out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 01, 2013, 07:50:51 PM
Oh fuck THAT

college sports are the fucking worst sometimes
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on April 01, 2013, 08:06:31 PM
College sports is a multibillion dollar industry based on unpaid labor and housed in nonprofit universities.  I'd be shocked if there weren't a constant stream of ethics violations and conflicts of interest.  The whole system's a travesty.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 01, 2013, 11:17:11 PM
The western conference is so freaking competitive. The spread from #1 seed to #5 seed is only 5 games. Compare that to the eastern conference where its 17 games.

Also I love how the Jazz are putting pressure on the Lakers. They have won 5 in a row now and they own the tiebreaker with the Lakers. Huge game tomorrow for that last seed. Mavericks at LA.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 02, 2013, 12:49:38 AM
praise be to dirk
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 02, 2013, 12:57:02 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 02, 2013, 12:49:38 AM
praise be to dirk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aSVqETWn80
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 02, 2013, 03:33:39 PM
Knicks versus Heat tonight but meaningless as Chalmers, Lebron, and Wade aren't playing.


But Lakers/Mavericks should be good.

Quote
1. Fact or Fiction: The Lakers will make the playoffs.


Kevin Arnovitz, ESPN.com: Fact. The Jazz own the tiebreaker, which means the Lakers have to be a full game better than Utah with eight remaining. It'll be tight, but the Lakers still have an edge in talent and seven out of eight games at Staples Center (one is a "road game" against the Clippers). With a break or two -- say, the Spurs packing it in on the last Sunday of the regular season in Los Angeles -- the Lakers should squeak in.

Jim Cavan, KnickerBlogger: Fiction. L.A.'s stouter home stretch (four .500-plus teams -- five if you count the "home" Clippers -- come to Staples) and general unpredictability make for a potential disaster in wait. This is still very much a toss-up, but sooner or later the promises and the platitudes ("We got this!") fall hard and hollow.

Spencer Ryan Hall, Salt City Hoops: Fiction. The Lakers seem like the college student who assumes his dad's connections will get him into law school, but he never bothers to go to class or study. The rejection letter is going to be a painful wakeup call in Lakers Land. All but one of their last eight games are at Staples, but every opponent is tough.

Ian Levy, The Two Man Game: Fiction, particularly because of their remaining schedule. Dallas, Memphis, Golden State, Houston, San Antonio, Portland and the Clippers are all waiting for them. They're staggering toward the finish line and, for all the improvements they've made in the past two months, still look likely to collapse just short.

Darius Soriano, Forum Blue and Gold: Fact. The odds are not in their favor thanks to a difficult closing schedule and the fact that they're banged up. But, they play seven of their eight remaining games in Staples Center and have shown a lot of fight with their backs against the wall. If there's any scenario in which they make a run, this is it.

2. Fact or Fiction: The Jazz will make the playoffs.


Arnovitz: Fiction, although this five-game winning streak gives me pause, even if it did come against a cupcake schedule. Utah is scoring in bunches and should finish the season with some gusto, but if the Lakers win the games their supposed to, figure the Jazz need to finish their final seven games 5-2. I think they'll fall one game shy.

Cavan: Fact. Utah boasts a five-game winning streak, a favorable home stretch and the all-important tiebreaker with the Lakers. If the Jazz can take three of those home games, and maybe steal a fourth in Golden State or Minnesota, the Lakers will be hard-pressed to make up the necessary ground for a last-minute blitz.

Hall: Fact. It's possible I'm simply intoxicated with the euphoria of the first five-game Utah win streak of the season, but the Jazz are finally playing like a team that could make noise in the playoffs. The memory of the recent 3-12 stretch is all but gone and the team is peaking at the right time with a healthy Mo Williams.

Levy: Fact. They have a half-game edge over the Lakers and have righted the ship, winning their past five after an extended, brutal stretch of play that threatened to drop them out of contention. Mo Williams is finally back into the swing of things and Al Jefferson has been devouring opponents on the interior. While the Lakers' performance continues to swing wildly back and forth, the Jazz are trending upward.

Soriano: Fiction. The Jazz are hot at the right time and control their own destiny. But they play three of their final seven games on the road, including their final two games. Combine those contests with tough home games versus the Thunder and Nuggets and I see them falling behind the Lakers to close the year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on April 02, 2013, 04:34:23 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 02, 2013, 03:33:39 PM
Knicks versus Heat tonight but meaningless as Chalmers, Lebron, and Wade aren't playing.

Meaningless like when the Knicks played the Heat without Melo or Amare and still beat them by 20?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 02, 2013, 04:36:20 PM
that's nothing like tonight's situation  ???

melo was injured, and this game three of their best players are resting for the playoffs. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on April 02, 2013, 04:43:51 PM
They rested their last game too and still beat the Spurs, surprisingly. The game won't automatically be trash.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 02, 2013, 05:43:52 PM
I wasn't necessarily speaking to the quality of the contest but more in the potential tea leaf reading that would be possible if everybody was playing. It's anecdotal but when a team is often missing key players, at least on a one off basis the underhanded team often plays above their game and the other team often plays down to the level of the competition. So in that sense it could very well be competitive.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: naff on April 02, 2013, 05:48:19 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 01, 2013, 03:13:41 PM
Apparently it was a relatively easy procedure and he'll be able to play next year  :o

Good to hear. Damn, that pic disturbed me I glanced at it then it started to haunt me so I had to stare at it til I came to terms with it. Fucking hell
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 02, 2013, 09:09:17 PM
Fun game so far, albeit muted.  No energy in that arena if Bron or Wade aren't in  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 02, 2013, 09:24:53 PM
The Heat have nothing to play for until June really, totally understandable
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 02, 2013, 09:42:45 PM
Meanwhile melo is 12/15 with 34 points...midway through th 3rd  :lol

gawtam
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on April 02, 2013, 09:47:46 PM
Mike Miller though... wtf?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 02, 2013, 10:11:04 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 02, 2013, 09:42:45 PM
Meanwhile melo is 12/15 with 34 points...midway through th 3rd  :lol

gawtam

also no rebounds, assists or steals to that point :lol

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on April 02, 2013, 10:27:31 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 02, 2013, 10:11:04 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 02, 2013, 09:42:45 PM
Meanwhile melo is 12/15 with 34 points...midway through th 3rd  :lol

gawtam

also no rebounds, assists or steals to that point :lol
Wanna fight about it?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on April 03, 2013, 12:18:21 AM
guess not :smugbiden
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 03, 2013, 12:38:49 AM
awesome speech from Shaq but he dissed Kobe pretty hard :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 03, 2013, 10:49:29 AM
Rutgers coach is out after this video went public:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVoOtpDuZwA
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 03, 2013, 11:02:56 AM
A Japanese national Judo coach was recently tossed for a decade-plus history of similar abuse, much of it in respect to female judo players. Glad they acted fast in this instance. And i hope he ends up coaching Sprewell somewhere
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 03, 2013, 11:06:57 AM
I haven't followed the story but am I assuming right in that they fired him only after the video became public and not when they actually knew this stuff was happening beforehand.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 03, 2013, 11:19:11 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 03, 2013, 11:06:57 AM
I haven't followed the story but am I assuming right in that they fired him only after the video became public and not when they actually knew this stuff was happening beforehand.

He was fined $50,000 and suspended for three games by Rutgers back in December for this very thing. The video went public on ESPN yesterday.

So, yes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 03, 2013, 12:15:45 PM
There's a right way and a wrong way to do that. Sometimes a coach has to get in someone's ass
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bLq8Zs5MRU

But the Rutgers shit is just over the top.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 03, 2013, 12:18:59 PM
One of my best friends is a Rutgers alum, he was pretty pissed about this and is glad they finally got around to firing the guy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 03, 2013, 05:05:45 PM
holy shit Skylar looks older than her mom
http://bossip.com/668018/she-get-it-from-her-momma-remember-college-b-ball-banger-skylar-diggins-well-check-out-momma-diggins/2/

:rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on April 03, 2013, 05:24:58 PM
 :mouf
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on April 03, 2013, 07:12:31 PM
 :whoo
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 04, 2013, 12:58:19 AM
(http://i.minus.com/iNxTvjsbvN38O.gif)

2013 isn't knight's year
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 04, 2013, 09:03:26 PM
Spurs - Thunder soon :hyper

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 04, 2013, 09:11:46 PM
I was never a fan how the Spurs played but I wouldn't mind if they win it all this year.  It would be nice to see Duncan win his 5th just to see how Kobe stans react to Duncan having just as many rings and many more MVPs.  But it's gonna be hard for the Spurs without a healthy Ginobili.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 05, 2013, 02:09:01 AM
poor Chris Bosh

http://t.foxsports.msn.com/boshs-house-robbed-while-hes-out-celebrating
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on April 05, 2013, 02:45:36 AM
Gallinari with what looked like a season ending knee injury tonight. I guess ex-Knicks aren't safe either. :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 05, 2013, 06:14:57 AM
Mayo, Crowder, and Mike James suck.  How do they get so much PT. :mindblown
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 05, 2013, 10:31:30 PM
So what do you experts think of Denver losing Gallinari? 

My first reaction is big deal but then I checked that he's been shooting .397 since All-Star weekend and .376 in 15 March games

So Denver probably doesn't need him on offense and on defense, he's never been more than average
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 05, 2013, 10:42:27 PM
they have the bodies to replace him but with Lawson also hobbling, it's a Problem

Miami has it SOOOOOO EASY now. Basically OKC is the only team that threatened them who is not either hit bad by injury or slumping (Clippers). Spurs, Bulls, Knicks, Celtics, Clippers, Nuggets, Lakers (lol but i guess in theory they could bother them if they made it that far) are basically not looking like contenders at all. Maybe Pacers? I haven't seen much of them lately...

The Heat are doing the smart thing by resting their vets too (which wasn't a given - the streak probably made 'em suit up for games they should have sat out). The MVP race is also completely over so no need to go to the wire chasing more points than KD or whatever (futile, won't matter).
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 06, 2013, 05:44:51 PM
I think the Celtics could still be a problem to the Heat, just based on history and the last few games they've played against each other.  The Heat will win but the series would be longer than most people think.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on April 06, 2013, 06:36:45 PM
 :comeon :rudy :orly
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on April 07, 2013, 03:38:30 PM
:piss Knicks haters :piss2
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 07, 2013, 07:17:55 PM
did i miss any good games over the weekend? if yes, pls post the game and not the result and i will love you long time
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 07, 2013, 07:18:26 PM
(the weekend is over here in Japan obvs)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 07, 2013, 09:06:00 PM
http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/9144048/derrick-rose-open-returning-chicago-bulls-season

I don't really understand this anymore. It seems like it should be a pretty clear cut decision to either shut him down for the year or not so I'm not sure if they just aren't being honest and it's clear he isn't going to play in the playoffs or what. Is this supposed to be a secret thing for the playoffs based on whether they make a run or not?

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 07, 2013, 10:23:51 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 07, 2013, 07:17:55 PM
did i miss any good games over the weekend? if yes, pls post the game and not the result and i will love you long time

Assuming you're watching all the big games,

kings-grizzles

jazz-warriors

Both surprisingly tight games with teams fighting for a playoff spot or better positioning
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 07, 2013, 10:29:04 PM
Cheers, Smooth. watching OKC-NYK now, pretty great. Injury not looking like such an issue for NY all of a sudden. Still would be a huge upset for them to beat the Heat though.

LAL-LAC is up next
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on April 07, 2013, 11:01:37 PM
You assholes don't even think they can beat the Rondo-less Celtics. ::)

The only team in the east that I'm worried about the Knicks facing are the Bulls. Games against them are always ugly for us and I feel like suspensions are inevitable if we have to play them for 4-7 games straight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 08, 2013, 01:22:53 AM
Jazz (41-37) have the following games left.

vs Oklahoma City
vs Minnesota
@ Minnesota
@ Memphis

The Lakers (40-37) have the following games left

vs New Orleans
@ Portland
vs Golden State
vs San Antonio
vs Houston

And remember the Lakers have to win it outright. A tie record means they don't make the playoffs.


Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 08, 2013, 01:39:53 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/JVYnpjf.png)

1 game away from .500!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on April 08, 2013, 03:26:22 AM
http://allball.blogs.nba.com/2013/04/05/javale-mcgee-gets-own-reality-show/ (http://allball.blogs.nba.com/2013/04/05/javale-mcgee-gets-own-reality-show/)

omg

(http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/web05/2012/5/5/10/enhanced-buzz-29366-1336229399-4.jpg)

 :why
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 08, 2013, 03:45:02 AM
watching her attempt to sex up the slam dunk judges was about the most embarrassing thing ever performed on tv
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on April 08, 2013, 05:02:23 AM
(http://www.nba.com/pistons/sites/pistons/files/imagecache/image_gallery_default/166002540_10.jpg)

hehe. Nate's vertical is still loco
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ManaByte on April 08, 2013, 11:19:54 AM
Dear Lakers fans,

Please don't hurt yourself when jumping on the Clippers bandwagon.

Also, when the Clippers win or lose please do not riot and burn down LA.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 09, 2013, 01:06:49 AM
Definitely one of the best NCAA tournament games in recent memory. Very cool seeing Louisville win; they've had some an emotional roller coaster due to the Ware injury, but it seemed to have really ignited the team effectively.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 09, 2013, 01:08:21 AM
NARRATIVE
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 09, 2013, 01:10:30 AM
The real reason they won is because I picked them to win in my bracket

:skip
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 09, 2013, 02:17:46 AM
they couldn't just be excited by making the Finals; they have to be avenging a noble warrior fallen in battle, inspired by his courage etc

this is basically a big Mandark :drudge
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 09, 2013, 03:35:50 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on April 09, 2013, 03:01:10 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/xNULyun.png)


:dead2
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on April 09, 2013, 03:27:24 PM
The favorite to win the NCAA tournament wins, and today sportswriters were acting they they are scrappy underdogs because some kid got hurt.

:piss Sportswriters :piss2

Edit: This would have been easier

:piss :skip :piss2
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 09, 2013, 08:04:37 PM
Box seats for Lakers vs Hornets tonight

Hope to see some :deadkobe but it's highly unlikely

Lakers haven't been that inept in a long time
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 09, 2013, 08:23:09 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on April 09, 2013, 08:04:37 PM
Box seats for Lakers vs Hornets tonight

Hope to see some :deadkobe but it's highly unlikely

Lakers haven't been that inept in a long time

Are you attending with a fine pawg?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 09, 2013, 10:55:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y8CzEjNVJw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y8CzEjNVJw)

From the 09 plaoffs

Kobe is such a fucking bitch.  At least own up.  The one time Artest was not at fault.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 09, 2013, 11:38:34 PM
The Melo-KD scoring race is prompting some serious silliness, with sportswriters contorting themselves to find ways to make it an equal battle. The daftest justification for Melo, who has been objectively far less efficient than KD over the season and his career, is that he has a more diverse repertoire. Why does it matter that he has a better post game than Durant if Durant still scores the same with far less attempts?! It's absurd. And doubly absurd because everyone knows that LeBron could win the scoring title any year he felt like being selfish and there's not a damn thing either of them could do about it
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 10, 2013, 12:29:58 AM
dying of lols imagining Smooth at this Lakers game right now
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 10, 2013, 12:42:24 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 10, 2013, 12:29:58 AM
dying of lols imagining Smooth at this Lakers game right now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA582tX6UOE
replace Shaq with Kobe
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 10, 2013, 12:48:51 AM
:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 10, 2013, 01:26:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL3ZA0gxEcc
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 10, 2013, 03:09:53 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 10, 2013, 12:29:58 AM
dying of lols imagining Smooth at this Lakers game right now

Got close to :pachah when it was tied after 3 quarters and :deadkobe seemed like a real possibility

But Hornets played :mindblown in the fourth, threw the ball away during a critical stretch and missed a bunch of open shots


Anyways, it was a much better game than I expected.  The game was up for grabs till the last 3 minutes.

Instead of box seats, I actually got 10th row from courtside near the middle, which imo are even better.  Staples Center has some nice luxurious suites but they always feel so distant from the action. 

I'm tired right now so I'll give a more detailed report tomorrow.  But yeah, Lakers fans are an annoying bunch.  Luckily, this season has beaten them down to the point that most Kobe and MVP chants die fast or are done half-heartedly. 

It kinda sucks that I couldn't boo the Lakers or cheer on the Hornets.  There just aren't enough or any Hornets fans to back me up when I get jumped outside.  I think some of the people around me were annoyed whenever I praised the Hornets for a nice play.  Next year I should get some Lakers-Clippers tickets so that I can really get on the Lakers fans' nerves. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 10, 2013, 03:16:38 AM
damn i'm totally going to rewatch the game on League Pass now, armed with this info
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 10, 2013, 03:32:23 AM
Smooth Groove, cheering the Bobcats: That's a good ball club. You can tell their owner wants to win. Maybe they'll land LeBron next year :skip

Bandwagon Lakers fans:  :ohhh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 10, 2013, 03:39:09 AM
That's a good ball club. Did you know even their owner has more rings than Kobe
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 10, 2013, 03:46:20 AM
Just watch Jordan draft Cody Zeller this year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 10, 2013, 03:48:51 AM
Just watch Jordan draft Kevin Ware this year
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 10, 2013, 04:06:56 AM
Meanwhile Joe Dumars will draft as many 6'8 PF/Cs with "upside" as humanly possible.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: Mandark on April 10, 2013, 04:26:33 AM
Boo hoo.  At least you got Drummond.  The Wiz have drafted Kwame Brown, Andre Blatche, Javale McGee, Oleksiy Pecherov, Party John Ramos, Jan Vesely and Kevin Seraphin.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 10, 2013, 04:30:03 AM
Boo hoo yerself, at least you drafted John Wall!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 10, 2013, 09:00:42 PM
The Wizards are losing at home to the Heat without Wade, Bosh, Wade, and Haslem.


That must be pretty demoralizing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 10, 2013, 09:31:56 PM
LeBron's Cavs won 66 games...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 10, 2013, 09:41:53 PM
not only that but had a crazy home record -- only two losses IIRC
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 10, 2013, 10:40:14 PM
http://www.sbnation.com/2013/4/10/4209278/tnt-no-use-play-by-play-man-spurs-warriors-thursday (http://www.sbnation.com/2013/4/10/4209278/tnt-no-use-play-by-play-man-spurs-warriors-thursday)

worst idea ever
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: etiolate on April 10, 2013, 11:04:10 PM
I'm okay with it if they actually talk about  the game, but it probably won't. NBA broadcasts are too concerned with the narrative that they often talk about things that have nothing to do with the game before them. If that's what you're doing then a play by play guy is useless. He's the only one talking about the actual game, so might as well get rid of him if your broadcast has no interest in doing that.

I am glad to see CWebb get more work. He was great at Summer League.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: pilonv1 on April 10, 2013, 11:07:07 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 10, 2013, 10:40:14 PM
http://www.sbnation.com/2013/4/10/4209278/tnt-no-use-play-by-play-man-spurs-warriors-thursday (http://www.sbnation.com/2013/4/10/4209278/tnt-no-use-play-by-play-man-spurs-warriors-thursday)

worst idea ever

What the fuck is this garbage.

Quote from: etiolate on April 10, 2013, 11:04:10 PM
I'm okay with it if they actually talk about  the game, but it probably won't. NBA broadcasts are too concerned with the narrative that they often talk about things that have nothing to do with the game before them.

If I want someone to talk about some stupid narrative, then I'll watch some panel show. When I watch a game I want someone to talk about the game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 10, 2013, 11:23:38 PM
Lakers trailing at half. Would be a huge loss for their chances if they drop this one

edit: lakers start the 3rd quarter with a 15-2 run.




Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 11, 2013, 12:43:37 AM
lol at Steve Blake, was not expecting that EVER

and props to Kobe of course

Still have no chance of winning a road game in the playoffs but he beasted again
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 11, 2013, 06:14:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MerJpZw7Puk

Knighting of the year?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 11, 2013, 11:19:40 PM
We could use a white  :dead :dead2 :deadmanny :deadkobe
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: Beezy on April 12, 2013, 12:34:47 AM
smh, white ppl gotta have everything
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 12, 2013, 06:57:33 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--spurs-waive-stephen-jackson-after-disagreements-about-his-role-223252495.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: Mandark on April 12, 2013, 07:04:12 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 12, 2013, 06:57:33 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--spurs-waive-stephen-jackson-after-disagreements-about-his-role-223252495.html

Yikes.  You gotta gives the Spurs organization the benefit of the doubt and Jackson definitely has a history, but man am I sick of Woj running stories that are basically PR releases from anonymous management sources.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 12, 2013, 11:20:15 PM
Nice close win for the Jazz to keep the pressure on the Lakers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 12, 2013, 11:45:19 PM
The entire nation other than parts of LA now rooting for the Jazz
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 12, 2013, 11:54:48 PM
The problem is even if the Lakers lose one of these upcoming games which is very possible, the Jazz last game is @memphis which seems like it would be a loss.  :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: naff on April 13, 2013, 12:03:52 AM
 :deadkobe
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 13, 2013, 12:26:48 AM
:deadkobe :deadkobe :deadkobe :deadkobe :deadkobe
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 13, 2013, 12:48:47 AM
Very close game here. Probably gonna go down to the wire. Kobe just hit a couple of big three's.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 13, 2013, 12:52:19 AM
Kobe injury. Out for the game.

 :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 13, 2013, 12:53:07 AM
Kobe:

(http://i.imgur.com/Udg2TPb.png?1)               (http://i.imgur.com/bFLJ5Em.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Udg2TPb.png?1)              (http://i.imgur.com/bFLJ5Em.png)

edit: goddamit kobe.  I worked sorta hard for that post
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 13, 2013, 01:02:53 AM
lol Gasol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 13, 2013, 01:05:02 AM
Wow.

Huge win for the Lakers.

But if Kobe is really hurt it may not matter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 13, 2013, 01:17:24 AM
If I didn't absolutely hate this incarnation of the Lakers, I would have to be impressed at how they've played this second half of the season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 13, 2013, 01:18:55 AM
Super bs call on Steph Curry at the end.  How the hell you gonna give two throws to Lakers cuz Curry was trying to fight through a pick?  Blake didn't even lose control of the ball or was hindered in his progress.

On the next possession, a Warrior was clearly pushed by Dwight after rebounding and got no free throws.  It's shit like this that make people think the NBA is WWE.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 13, 2013, 01:25:39 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/qd6tCyq.png?1)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 13, 2013, 01:28:48 AM
Quote
The Lakers announced after the game that Bryant likely has a torn Achilles tendon and will undergo an MRI Saturday to confirm the initial diagnosis.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 13, 2013, 01:30:05 AM
 :holeup :holeup :holeup :kobeyuck :kobeyuck :kobeyuck :beli :beli :noah :noah :noah :dwill :dwill

christ.  that SUCKS.  oh man.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 13, 2013, 01:32:55 AM
Quote
RT @Lakers: An emotional Kobe: "I made a move I've made a million times, and (the Achilles) just popped."


Quote
@mcten: Kobe has tears in his eyes and is on crutches. "Terrible. This is a terrible feeling." He says he knows it's a torn Achilles
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 13, 2013, 01:33:31 AM
The Coli is imploding holy shit

Damn, never want to see someone go down like that though. Say what you will about Kobe but dude works hard.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: ManaByte on April 13, 2013, 01:34:58 AM
Kobe's career is over.

I can be a Lakers fan now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 13, 2013, 01:35:41 AM
This is really awful and I'm bummed it could potentially end this way...but fucking LOL at nba-gaf right now
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 13, 2013, 01:37:12 AM
That foul on Curry was complete bullshit
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 13, 2013, 01:38:42 AM
:deadkobe only has himself to blame.  He should have sat out after the knee started hurting instead of trying to be the hero as usual. 

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 13, 2013, 01:33:31 AM
The Coli is imploding holy shit

Damn, never want to see someone go down like that though. Say what you will about Kobe but dude works hard.

So?  Working hard doesn't give anyone the right to play selfish and be a horrible teammate. 

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 13, 2013, 01:40:39 AM
If :deadkobe is gone, I'm rooting for the Lakers to go deep in the playoffs or at least pull off an upset in round 1. 

It would be  :rejoice

Don't underestimate how much the other Lakers wanna win without :childplease
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 13, 2013, 01:41:59 AM
I like to root against the Lakers. Not hope for injuries against them.


Also when you get these sorts of injuries at Kobe's age, its never a given that you can come back. I never like a legend to go out that way.


Quote from: Reddit comment
D'antoni's Journal.
April 12th, 2013: Kobe's carcass in locker-room this morning, achilles torn and knee busted. This team is afraid of me. I have seen its true face. The basketball courts are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood, and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their extended minutes and nagging injuries will foam up about their waists, and Kobe and Pau will look up and shout "Rest us!"... and I'll whisper "no."

Very sad affair but this did make me chuckle.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 13, 2013, 01:42:46 AM
whats a better way to go out

limpdicking on a wizards team that has no hope

or injuring yourself by overexerting yourself...on a team with no hope

 :ehh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 13, 2013, 01:44:34 AM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=53745984&postcount=9529
 :sabu
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 13, 2013, 01:46:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s46MZmOmBT8
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Just waiting for the playoffs to start)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 13, 2013, 01:47:29 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 13, 2013, 01:44:34 AM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=53745984&postcount=9529
 :sabu

what a bunch of assholes.  if lebron had a similar injury you absolutely KNOW they'd make similar statements
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 13, 2013, 01:49:06 AM
Will D'antoni get hired again after his inevitable firing?  Dude has taken out Amare and Kobe in the last two seasons. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 13, 2013, 01:53:36 AM
Of course he will.  With a league that has hired Mike Brown three times, Dantoni is sure to get a position SOMEWHERE.
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 13, 2013, 01:59:48 AM
 :badass

all of us are sad that kobe is probably done.  we all love watching him even though he's a big ol' anus.  this is a shitty day for the nba.  but cmon, its not like he died.
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: ManaByte on April 13, 2013, 02:01:07 AM
So with Kobe gone, what team will Stern have the refs rig games for now?
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 13, 2013, 02:02:35 AM
the heat
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 13, 2013, 02:07:23 AM
By all means man, act completely sane and regular when lebron gets injured, and I'll act completely emotional and sandvag-y like you are right now

the cycle of life, dude
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 13, 2013, 02:07:23 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on April 13, 2013, 02:05:57 AM
Stern has been rigging games for Miami all season.

Probably OKC.

But BrandNew, Stoney Mason and Smooth Groove, I hope you all lose your dicks in various kitchen appliance-related accidents.

Boy, you are one classy dude.
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 13, 2013, 02:08:34 AM
You're crying like you lost your dick already

:crazybron
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 13, 2013, 02:12:48 AM
Who gives a fuck?  Are you related to Kobe or know him personally?

I wouldn't cry like a little bitch if Lebron was hurt.  Stop trying to live through other people. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 13, 2013, 02:15:23 AM
I'm saying in the future, you lepton.
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 13, 2013, 02:20:56 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs9esdFRlS0
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 13, 2013, 02:24:08 AM
damn  :'(

what a shitty way to end the season.  ugh.  I just wanna hug that bro
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 13, 2013, 02:53:58 AM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=53751324&postcount=9748 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=53751324&postcount=9748)

 :heh :heh :heh :troll

bitch, fucking please
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 13, 2013, 03:25:59 AM
ugh, that has got to hurt for Kobe, after the Herculean feats he's performed dragging that shitty ass team this far

still not sure why AWESOME-O thinks it gives him license to start acting like a cuntrag to all and sundry again though. take a timeout and chill dude
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 13, 2013, 03:28:35 AM
(http://i.minus.com/iiuWwPKm09REi.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 13, 2013, 03:30:32 AM
oh god, somone gif JUST the face
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 13, 2013, 03:32:50 AM
fucking hell puddles, did you even read ANY of my posts?  all of them are SYMPATHETIC AND SAD, you titshit

I make fun of laker fans, not kobe, asshole
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 13, 2013, 03:35:12 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHttwZPCQAA7MyG.jpg:large)

trending
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 13, 2013, 03:48:34 AM
here, I'll be an ACTUAL ASSHOLE now

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=53752659&postcount=9790 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=53752659&postcount=9790)

This is assuming:

Lebron has already reached his peak
Kobe's peak was probably early 2000s, even though his true peak was pretty much mid 2000s even when the team didn't win
Kobe's footwork was somehow always and forever better than lebrons

Asshole Reasons.

Lebron hasn't even reached his peak yet -- and chrissake, how can anyone determine that until he's nigh fucking 40 like kobe is, near the end of his career.  He could easily be the scoring leader this season...the assists leader...christ if he pushed Bosh or andersen aside this season he could average 15 rebounds a game most likely.

Lebron's peak, if we're assuming its this 3 or 4 year span that hasn't even ended yet, is with a team without a proper big. whereas Kobe had pretty much the best big of all time, or one of.

In regards to footwork, Lebron and Kobe could ankle break each other for hours on end -- and guess what?  THEY ALREADY HAVE. Go back to Lebron's second or third season, WHERE KOBE WAS IN HIS PRIME, and its pretty evenly matched.  Or, for what its worth, lets watch Lebron own Kobe since he was a Cav:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jUPtfJjwX4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jUPtfJjwX4)

Or here, lets take the opposite route and post what Awesome-o will post:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcMCA_sJuTo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcMCA_sJuTo)

THE LAST ARGUMENT IS FUCKING STUPID. 

This is me being an asshole, Puddles, because your butthurtness is too great to go without.
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 13, 2013, 03:49:15 AM
Goddamit, you post that as I finish a wonderfully asshole-ish response

I'll be the cunt for the night I guess
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Mandark on April 13, 2013, 03:54:55 AM
What if Kobe misses next season, and Dwight re-signs but gets shut down when his back acts up, so the team tanks, gets Wiggins, and then Kobe and Dwight come back after a bunch of steroids and experimental procedures in Eastern Europe, letting them win the title?

No NBA fan could completely write off that scenario.
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 13, 2013, 04:09:28 AM
Maybe the Lakers will be motivated by Kobe's injury and win one for the gipper, like Louisville did :skip

Rumors swirling that Wiggins is going to FSU. what the fuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 13, 2013, 04:20:22 AM
superb use of Skip there :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 13, 2013, 04:30:10 AM
:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 14, 2013, 11:17:30 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/UyV4KTL.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 14, 2013, 11:23:30 PM
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 14, 2013, 11:49:52 PM
Lakers beat the Spurs. Pretty good shot at the playoffs now. They have to beat Houston in their final game. The Jazz have to beat the Grizzlies and the Timberwolves and hope for a Lakers loss.
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 15, 2013, 12:12:05 AM
Duncan was a beast in the  4th

He made Dwight look like a fool several trips in a row

It really makes you wonder what kinda stuff he's taking
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 15, 2013, 12:17:54 AM
yeah - Duncan was supposedly bone-on-bone years back so this is a little hard to swallow. I mean, he certainly doesn't seem bulkier but he seems capable of much better sustained production in 36 mins than 2-3yrs ago. Not that I am complaining - if the dude is manifestly healthy, and the docs are checking everything out regularly, fine
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 15, 2013, 12:21:29 AM
Dirk saw this
(http://images.sportsverige.com/files/14207014_440x326.jpg)
and knew he couldn't compete.
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Mandark on April 15, 2013, 12:27:39 AM
The big problem slowing Duncan down was plantar fasciitis I thought?  Not that I really understand what that means for a player, and he's got a lot of mileage generally, but it's not like he was getting serial microfractures.

If everyone gets their dander up about PED's and NBA players fall apart 2-4 years earlier as a result I will be quite grumpy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 15, 2013, 12:33:36 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 15, 2013, 12:27:39 AM
If everyone gets their dander up about PED's and NBA players fall apart 2-4 years earlier as a result I will be quite grumpy.

Poor Dirk. (http://media.northjersey.com/images/MetsDirk.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 15, 2013, 02:00:18 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 15, 2013, 12:27:39 AM
The big problem slowing Duncan down was plantar fasciitis I thought?  Not that I really understand what that means for a player, and he's got a lot of mileage generally, but it's not like he was getting serial microfractures.

If everyone gets their dander up about PED's and NBA players fall apart 2-4 years earlier as a result I will be quite grumpy.

Henry Abbott is really really REALLY pissing me off with his constant agitation for this. I realize it's all coming from love of the game or whatever but really, he needs to stop fomenting outrage where no-one is doing anything outrageous.

In football, I wonder if it would actually help the average career, since guys wouldn't get hit quite so brutally hard? The monsters they have now look like they could stop a truck, never mind Tom Brady
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: pilonv1 on April 15, 2013, 02:10:00 AM
I would think basketball is relatively minor for PED use. MMA, football and baseball would be the big ones.

Depends, I'd imagine that no amount of PEDs would help your brain getting hit continually by giant linebackers or defensive ends, or joint injuries. You might help some wear injuries and aid recovery, but you'd probably see some more typical steroid injuries (muscle/tendon tears).
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2013, 02:14:39 AM
I wonder if there's any Adderal use in the NBA, given its allegedly propensity in the NFL
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 15, 2013, 02:58:25 AM
Quote from: pilonv1 on April 15, 2013, 02:10:00 AM
I would think basketball is relatively minor for PED use. MMA, football and baseball would be the big ones.

Depends, I'd imagine that no amount of PEDs would help your brain getting hit continually by giant linebackers or defensive ends, or joint injuries. You might help some wear injuries and aid recovery, but you'd probably see some more typical steroid injuries (muscle/tendon tears).

I was actually asking what if PEDs were successfully eliminated? Athletes wouldn't recover so fast or be so strong/fit/fast, but on the other hand, the other guys wouldn't be so powerful either so they wouldn't get hurt by them so much
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: pilonv1 on April 15, 2013, 03:22:42 AM
Sorry, just assumed you were being pro-PED, got mixed up. Anyway I agree with you.
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 15, 2013, 03:31:19 AM
Definitely generally pro-PED, assuming it can be brought into the light and carefully monitored and studied. I just look at some of the NFL guys and think, Jesus how can a normal human being be hit by that and live
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: pilonv1 on April 15, 2013, 07:16:05 AM
Yeah I think that watching rugby league too. Some of it is sickening.
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 15, 2013, 10:02:04 PM
Points scored so far this season

Carmelo Anthony - 1920

Kevin Durant - 2251

Yet Melo will win the scoring title because of the per game average? Why do we care about the AVERAGE when we can just COUNT THE POINTS SCORED

331 extra points for KD there - that is not insignificant. 10 extra high scoring games vs Melo (or anybody else). At the end of the day, any coach is gonna want the guy who scores more points for the season rather than the guy with the higher average, right?
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 15, 2013, 10:09:16 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 15, 2013, 10:02:04 PM
Yet Melo will win the scoring title because of the per game average?

(http://i.imgur.com/A43SOkz.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 15, 2013, 10:16:37 PM
the guy who scored the most points will not win the scoring title?

 :mindblown
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Mandark on April 15, 2013, 10:19:47 PM
:drudge Scoring title actually somewhat arbitrary statistical measure, not true reflection of a player's value! :drudge


It's not like anyone important thinks Carmelo's actually better.  Durant's been 1st team All-NBA three years running and Carmelo's never made it, Durant's #2 on ESPN's big player ranking thing vs. Carmelo's #9, Durant's a two-time MVP runner-up, etc.  Let the kid have this.
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 15, 2013, 10:24:45 PM
consolation prize then!

Good good, more ammunition for my coming beef with Beezy over the Knicks - Celtics series
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 15, 2013, 10:49:21 PM
Celts/Pacers game canceled due to the Bostom Marathon bombings.  The game won't be rescheduled.  Playoff seedings wouldn't be affected regardless.
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 15, 2013, 10:50:50 PM
I will henceforth refer to Melo as the 'Average Scoring Leader for 2013'
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Mandark on April 15, 2013, 11:06:51 PM
(http://s2.hubimg.com/u/2865905_f496.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 15, 2013, 11:10:44 PM
i don't know if you understand how bad the Celtics are this year Mandark. i need some kind of edge here
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: pilonv1 on April 15, 2013, 11:53:26 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 15, 2013, 10:02:04 PM
Points scored so far this season

Carmelo Anthony - 1920

Kevin Durant - 2251

Yet Melo will win the scoring title because of the per game average? Why do we care about the AVERAGE when we can just COUNT THE POINTS SCORED

It's even worse when you look at their percentages.
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 15, 2013, 11:56:50 PM
LeBron has more makes on less shots than either of 'em
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: pilonv1 on April 16, 2013, 12:01:06 AM
Exactly, LeBron and Durant would have ridiculous averages if they had the freedom Melo has
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 16, 2013, 12:02:07 AM
But yeah, not arguing for LeBron o/c, he'll have the only hardware anyone cares about. I think Durant will definitely end up with more scoring titles than Jordan, Wilt or anybody else eventually so hard to be too upset on his behalf either.

This was all spurred by hearing Zach Lowe make the case for Marc Gasol over Duncan in the DPOY discussion. it all came down to minutes played - everything else being equal, you have to take the guy who literally produced the most.
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 16, 2013, 12:06:34 AM
So the Heat finish 40-4 over the last 3 months. Not much for Stoney to complain about. Only OKC can realistically challenge them - I think OKC-Heat is a lock for the finals....first time i've felt sure about the best team in the West since 2002 probably.
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2013, 12:07:32 AM
Don't think San Antonio has a chance against OKC? Just curious, I've barely watched anything and just glanced at the standings today.
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 16, 2013, 12:11:31 AM
Manu will likely still be out, Parker is really banged up and ineffective. They'll still be good because San Antonio but not good enough to beat OKC unless they heal up real fast
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 16, 2013, 12:13:22 AM
actually Manu may be back earlier than that but who knows about his game shape. He hasn't looked good to me at any point this year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 16, 2013, 12:14:50 AM
and check TP's numbers for the past 5 games

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1015/tony-parker

OUCH
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 16, 2013, 12:35:27 AM
STEPH CURRY  :whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: pilonv1 on April 16, 2013, 12:43:54 AM
Smashing the made 3s record while shooing 45%. And he's only 24.
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 16, 2013, 12:48:16 AM
we can take comfort in the fact that his ankles are 64
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 16, 2013, 12:57:23 AM
 :ufup
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 16, 2013, 01:40:00 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 16, 2013, 12:06:34 AM
So the Heat finish 40-4 over the last 3 months. Not much for Stoney to complain about. Only OKC can realistically challenge them - I think OKC-Heat is a lock for the finals....first time i've felt sure about the best team in the West since 2002 probably.

There is literally nothing for me to complain about.  :'(

They look like the most obvious title pick in a long time. And the teams that could potentially give them trouble in the West like the Grizzlies or the Spurs also don't seem likely to beat the team they've already shown they are better than OKC.

It's honestly been an utterly boring second half of the season from a worry perspective. Even Spoelstra is starting to look like at least an average NBA coach.  :maf

The only possible media narrative talking point is that it looks so obvious it can't be this easy.


Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Mandark on April 16, 2013, 01:49:04 AM
As great as they are, winning a title's generally hard, and OKC was close in most of last years Finals games, no?  The Heat have to be heavy favorites, but it's certainly possible they hit a roadblock.

So hopefully we get a competitive Finals, and if not we'll get the Heat playing against history.
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 16, 2013, 01:50:34 AM
Spoelstra has been excellent - has a very firm grasp on his team's capabilities and has gotten everyone on board with the best way to exploit them. Not much more you can ask. Was stunned at the Joel Anthony offensive outburst today :lol

Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 16, 2013, 01:56:40 AM
Certainly anything is possible when you have players the caliber of Durant and Westbrook. And in a weird way I think Kevin Martin might actually be a tougher matchup against the heat than harden was since the heat tend to give up a lot of three's. (Harden also had a miserable finals so them getting anything from Martin will be an improvement)

The problem is deep down I believe OKC is roughly the same team they were last year with the same fundamental matchup issues with Miami, while I think Miami is a lot better than they were last year. Watching them is just so night and day to what they were. Everybody does what they are supposed to do and then they have these two fucking gods who can bail you out on both the offensive and defensive end if things aren't going well. And they are just loaded with 3 point shooting now. It felt like it took them until late in the playoffs to finally figure things out last year. Right after the All-Star Break is when they seemed to figure things out this year.



(http://i.imgur.com/IwaqxCN.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 16, 2013, 02:01:19 AM
It feels like Barkley's Suns vs Jordan's Bulls though. 2nd best is great but it's still 2nd best
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 16, 2013, 02:06:31 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 16, 2013, 02:01:19 AM
It feels like Barkley's Suns vs Jordan's Bulls though. 2nd best is great but it's still 2nd best

I was going to say this feels like Jordan & Pippen and the Bulls versus those Trailblazer teams with Drexler and Porter. Drexler and Porter were great but they just weren't at that bulls levels.

I say this not because of any similarity in the playing styles but just the way it felt. I rooted for Drexler and Porter (I respect Jordan but I hated him and those bulls as a squad) versus the Bulls but it quickly became clear there was just a gap.

Of course perhaps Durant and Westbrook will prove me wrong. I couldn't hate against that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 16, 2013, 02:15:21 AM
at some point, they probably will be better, or at least better in aggregate than LeBron + chief sidekick (whether Wade, Dwight, Kyrie or whoever) but they remain reliant on one-on-one play that can be limited by a fast, athletic defense. And if they keep burning minutes with Perkins, gah. The Thunder are better to the extent that Westbrook and Durant have improved but the overall team play seems very similar to last year. Which is a problem the Heat already solved.
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 16, 2013, 01:37:07 PM
just watched last nights warriors game.  Curry  :damn

Dude is totally breaking the record
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Steve Contra on April 16, 2013, 01:46:09 PM
I was traveling in LA and missed the chance to troll Kobe fans online :'(

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Although I did plenty in person :mynicca
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Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 16, 2013, 02:07:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrEzQcGnhFw
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 16, 2013, 04:41:08 PM
:drudge

Quote
Y! Sources: Seven-time All-Star Tracy McGrady has reached agreement on a deal with San Antonio

Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 16, 2013, 04:49:15 PM
Could someone please punch Kevin Johnson in the face? At this point, I don't care who gets the Kings, I just want him to shut the hell up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: etiolate on April 16, 2013, 04:55:42 PM
why so mad?
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Beezy on April 16, 2013, 04:57:23 PM
Q Rich to the Knicks and McGrady to the Spurs? What else will happen today?
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 16, 2013, 05:01:38 PM
Quote from: etiolate on April 16, 2013, 04:55:42 PM
why so mad?

I don't care for his showboaty shtick.
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: etiolate on April 16, 2013, 05:05:10 PM
KJ has to make the issue big. He cant' trust news sources to give it attention. He can't even trust the owners to be informed. ESPN ignored it and then acted like it was a done deal. It takes all this "showboating" just to make people realize what is even going on and even then most of the populace is clueless.
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 16, 2013, 05:09:01 PM
What's the general feeling down there about the whole thing?
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 16, 2013, 05:25:23 PM
T-Mac back :thefuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread :-(
Post by: etiolate on April 16, 2013, 05:29:22 PM
Anxious I suppose. The city and fans have been dealing with this for years now. Every time they think its resolved, the Maloofs or somebody jacks it all up again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Return of the T-Mac)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 16, 2013, 07:42:43 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BH6_Nx1CAAAXsSX.jpg:large)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Return of the T-Mac)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 16, 2013, 09:10:49 PM
 :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Return of the T-Mac)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 17, 2013, 12:30:25 PM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/mike-dantoni-excited-to-finally-have-chance-to-coa,32081/



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCwPEBCaPsQ


http://nba.si.com/2013/04/16/nba-flops-chris-paul-reggie-evans-kevin-martin/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Return of the T-Mac)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 17, 2013, 04:31:16 PM
Quote from: Dan Gilbert
"I PERSONALLY GUARANTEE THAT THE CLEVELAND CAVALIERS WILL WIN AN NBA CHAMPIONSHIP BEFORE THE SELF-TITLED FORMER ‘KING’ WINS ONE"

You can take it to the bank.

If you thought we were motivated before tonight to bring the hardware to Cleveland, I can tell you that this shameful display of selfishness and betrayal by one of our very own has shifted our "motivation" to previously unknown and previously never experienced levels. 

http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/news/gilbert_letter_100708.html




Quote
The Heat have won 65 games THIS season. The Cavaliers have won 64 games in THREE seasons since LeBron left.


On a sidenote Lebron isn't playing tonight so he will end the season at a per of 31.68 which is his career best and 4th best single season per ever.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Final night of the season)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 17, 2013, 09:54:50 PM
Looks like Lakers will make the playoffs even before their last game starts

They should still try their hardest to win though

A win means 7th vs San Antonio

Lakers have a decent chance against SA but OKC is probably a sweep or 5 games max
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Final night of the season)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 17, 2013, 10:51:45 PM
utter garbage games today, as expected.

Less hyped for these playoffs than in a while. Comparatively few series project to be meaningful or fun at this point.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Final night of the season)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 17, 2013, 11:03:03 PM
Tim Hardaway Jr. entered the draft lol. Most mock drafts I've seen have him in the second round, I really don't see the point. He's...not particularly good, and the draft already has younger more athletic "tall" guys.

Mitch McGary is a lottery pick apparently if he enters. If I was his agent I'd advise him not to do any work outs; he'll get exposed. Trey Burke basically made him a lottery pick over the last couple months but the guy is too raw and can't create his own offense; he's really benefited from playing with arguably the best player in college basketball.

Basically right now my first round bust list:

-Cody Zeller: he was born to be drafted by Michael Jordan. Nuff said
-Shabazz Muhammad: attitude problems, selfish, ball hog, wasn't nearly as good as advertised.
-Mitch McGary: foot injury history, can't create offense, literally played good for two months of one season
-Alex Len: want a 7 foot bust? Draft this guy.

This draft sucks. Next year should be pretty good with Parker and Wiggins.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Final night of the season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 18, 2013, 01:05:25 AM
Crazy three pointer by parsons.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Final night of the season)
Post by: etiolate on April 18, 2013, 01:30:25 AM
Kings lose. Cousins has big game.

Pretty interesting article about Cousins. Not surprised by much of what he says. It's always the vibe I got from him.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1604754-brs-all-access-interview-with-sacramento-kings-star-demarcus-cousins
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 18, 2013, 02:38:31 AM
obviously volatile dude claims to be a misunderstood softie? shocking that

I have no doubt that there is a situation where he can be amazing but he would be amazing right now, even on the Kings, if he didn't waste so much time and energy being mad at people
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Mandark on April 18, 2013, 04:06:45 AM
Wow, that Cousins interview is like the rubric for every interview of every "problem" NBA player ever.  It's all perception, the media has an agenda, people don't know the real me, refs have a double standard, it's just that I'm so passionate.

Cousins has had issues in college, in the pros with two different coaches, and with USA basketball.  Blame-shifting and self-justification* generally aren't great signs that someone's about to have a breakthrough, in or out of basketball.  Maybe he'll get it sorted eventually; if Zach Randolph could, why not him?  But this martyr act isn't helping.


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He was raised by a single mother in an Alabama household where emphasis was placed on telling the truth. It’s that same transparency that gets him into trouble today.

“We never did it the political way or that type of thing,” Cousins said. “That’s kind of where, as you can see, I get in trouble. Sometimes, I am brutally honest instead.”

Not enough rolleyes in the world.
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 18, 2013, 04:20:22 AM
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East            

Heat
vs
Bucks

Knicks
vs
Celtics

Pacers
vs
Hawks

Nets
vs
Bulls
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 18, 2013, 04:21:38 AM
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WEST

Thunder
vs
Rockets

Spurs
vs
Lakers

Nuggets
vs
Warriors

Clippers
vs
Grizzlies
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 18, 2013, 04:23:14 AM
First round - I have circled

Knicks - Celtics (obviously), Clippers - Grizz, Thunder - Rockets, Nuggets vs Warriors, Spurs vs Lakers in approx that order of interest. Basically every West 1st round match-up should be pretty entertaining
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Mandark on April 18, 2013, 04:33:54 AM
Western Conference deeper and better for the billionth year in a row.  How does that happen?  Feels like the balance should shift a bit, if only through random chance.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: etiolate on April 18, 2013, 05:14:19 AM
Cousins talks about how the NBA is full of narratives that don't often reflect the reality, that the league is an entertainment product and that narrative is part of that, about how Lebron is a villian and then Lebron is great and that the only difference is winning, and that he knows winning is what changes things, and pretty much everything you cunts have said before


but its all a bunch of cliched PR?

I think I know who's full of shit here!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Mandark on April 18, 2013, 05:28:40 AM
Sure, if you elide the difference between "winning influences the perception of players" (true!) and "Boogie Cousins, the victim of a defamatory media campaign, mainly has the flaws of passion and honesty" (lol).
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: etiolate on April 18, 2013, 05:51:32 AM
Did you watch the video?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Mandark on April 18, 2013, 10:56:44 AM
Yeah, though there isn't anything in there that isn't quoted directly in the article.  I did like Jason Jones' breakdown of the two main contributors to Cousins' reputation: shit he did in the past, and shit he keeps on doing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 18, 2013, 12:13:38 PM
Got the Celtics beating the Knicks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Steve Contra on April 18, 2013, 12:41:38 PM
 :'(

At least I can rest easy knowing Kobe might not ever play again

 :noah
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Beezy on April 18, 2013, 01:16:39 PM
Got Brandnew choking on a dick.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: CajoleJuice on April 18, 2013, 01:17:11 PM
Quote from: Beezy on April 18, 2013, 01:16:39 PM
Got Brandnew choking on a dick.

:rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 18, 2013, 01:19:59 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Steve Contra on April 18, 2013, 01:20:31 PM
Quote from: Beezy on April 18, 2013, 01:16:39 PM
Got Brandnew choking on a dick.
:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2013, 01:35:49 PM
Quote from: Beezy on April 18, 2013, 01:16:39 PM
Got Brandnew choking on a dick.
:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Mandark on April 18, 2013, 03:06:35 PM
I'm already liking how the playoffs have affected this thread.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: etiolate on April 18, 2013, 03:30:20 PM
Quote from: Mandark on April 18, 2013, 10:56:44 AM
Yeah, though there isn't anything in there that isn't quoted directly in the article.  I did like Jason Jones' breakdown of the two main contributors to Cousins' reputation: shit he did in the past, and shit he keeps on doing.

And many players do shit every game. The point was the double standards of the forced drama of the NBA. This isn't Cousins trying to reinvent himself. This is him pointing out something in the NBA that not a lot of players are pointing out, as well as him saying who he is.

When you have a lot of people speaking for you then you will lose your identity. You can never be yourself. You will always be the product of others' assumptions. (This forum does this all the time.) What you have to do is speak for yourself, point to whats going on, and lay it out there. This was a light piece, but it wasn't fluff. The things Cousins said will bring him more ire in the coming year. The NBA does not want the players talking about what he talked about in the interview. It will come back to bite him. However, he had to finally speak for himself.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Mandark on April 18, 2013, 03:34:19 PM
(http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/1/12688/875683-futurama_fry_looking_squint2.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 18, 2013, 03:44:02 PM
etiolate has this fixation on the "NBA" as a menacing monolithic entity when it comes to all this stuff when it just strikes me as weird.

Everyone will agree that the media, the league, hell fans, have certain narratives they like to push at the expense of reality. Life is full of this stuff. I think Michael Jordan image wise was mostly a media creation with only occasional brushes of reality creeping in there usually through the more investigative press.

I'm not sure Cousins is the best example of victimization when it comes to this stuff though. He's done a decent amount of dumb stuff which only increases the narrative in place. It's not like he hasn't had lots of legit trouble there in Sacramento. The knock on Cousins is that he has been a malcontent in Sacramento based on the reports of coaches and some of his actions. It's not exactly come out of nowhere.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2013, 04:27:27 PM
It really baffles me that Joe Dumars can continually fire coaches after a couple seasons, while his job is never on the line. This team sucks largely due to bad drafts (Drummond is an exception, not a rule) and questionable FA signings. He should have been fired a long time ago.

Frank isn't some great coach, but he didn't have the pieces to create a good team. Plus Drummond got hurt which probably cost the team a few wins.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 18, 2013, 05:46:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSNapvrROo4


They forgot this one.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0kpRNJpmOw
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: etiolate on April 18, 2013, 05:56:49 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2013, 04:27:27 PM
It really baffles me that Joe Dumars can continually fire coaches after a couple seasons, while his job is never on the line. This team sucks largely due to bad drafts (Drummond is an exception, not a rule) and questionable FA signings. He should have been fired a long time ago.

Frank isn't some great coach, but he didn't have the pieces to create a good team. Plus Drummond got hurt which probably cost the team a few wins.

Same situation with Petrie and the Kings. They keep firing the coaches while Petrie makes bad draft choices and terrible trades. He had a team of me-first ball chuckers from last year, and goes out and signs Aaron Brooks to add to the mix. Later he releases Aaron Brooks because it took him that long to realize he had basically four of the same player. Instead of being fired, Petrie will retire at the end of the year.

So you better hope Dumars retires soon. GMs living off of past success seem to survive a good deal longer than GMs that make a few good youth moves that don't turn immediate results.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Steve Contra on April 18, 2013, 06:06:07 PM
Quote from: etiolate on April 18, 2013, 05:56:49 PM

So you better hope Dumars retires soon. GMs living off of past success seem to survive a good deal longer than GMs that make a few good youth moves that don't turn immediate results.
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 18, 2013, 07:29:18 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2013, 04:27:27 PM
It really baffles me that Joe Dumars can continually fire coaches after a couple seasons, while his job is never on the line. This team sucks largely due to bad drafts (Drummond is an exception, not a rule) and questionable FA signings. He should have been fired a long time ago.

Frank isn't some great coach, but he didn't have the pieces to create a good team. Plus Drummond got hurt which probably cost the team a few wins.

'cause players can (somewhat baffingly but nevertheless) respond to the firing of one perfectly good coach (Avery Johnson, say - former COTY IIRC) with an immediate improvement even when the team doesn't even hire a new coach and just promotes an assistant (like P.J. Carlesimo). This happens all the time. Never happens when a GM changes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 18, 2013, 07:31:12 PM
Speaking of which, Phil Jackson seems to be angling hard for a return to basketball (which I'm sure is a deeply tactical move meaning a job he wants is opening up).

I'm struggling to think what that would be though, unless he ousts D'Antoni. Knicks GM maybe? He seems open to management as well as coaching.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2013, 07:47:28 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 18, 2013, 07:29:18 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2013, 04:27:27 PM
It really baffles me that Joe Dumars can continually fire coaches after a couple seasons, while his job is never on the line. This team sucks largely due to bad drafts (Drummond is an exception, not a rule) and questionable FA signings. He should have been fired a long time ago.

Frank isn't some great coach, but he didn't have the pieces to create a good team. Plus Drummond got hurt which probably cost the team a few wins.

'cause players can (somewhat baffingly but nevertheless) respond to the firing of one perfectly good coach (Avery Johnson, say - former COTY IIRC) with an immediate improvement even when the team doesn't even hire a new coach and just promotes an assistant (like P.J. Carlesimo). This happens all the time. Never happens when a GM changes.

Well yea. Players might tune out one coach and wait for him to get fired, then perform better for the replacement; that's how Lawrence Frank broke into the head coach position with the Nets. Avery Johnson, from what I've heard, gets on the nerves of some players.

But here you have a case of a GM who has been fucking up for what, 5 of the last 8 first round selections he's made? Six if you count Brandon Knight. Has failed to rebuild a team for years and yet keeps firing coaches left and right..
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 18, 2013, 07:56:13 PM
but that's what GMs do? The majority of draft picks never pan out for the original team, remember. Dumars' record is pretty bad at this point, but there are certainly GMs worse records out there who AREN'T coasting on a ring as a GM. (That's a very short list, remember - Kupchak, Dumars, Ainge, Riley, Buford and one or two others)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: pilonv1 on April 18, 2013, 09:25:09 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 18, 2013, 05:46:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSNapvrROo4


They forgot this one.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0kpRNJpmOw

Harrison Barnes was robbed
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 18, 2013, 09:55:35 PM
Starbury had a better version of the JR Smith alley-oop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
jorxadf04rM
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 18, 2013, 10:24:48 PM
 :ooh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2013, 11:32:49 AM
Weekend schedule of basketball


SATURDAY



ABC
Boston at New York
Game 1   3:00 PM   


ESPN         
Golden State at Denver
Game 1   5:30 PM   


ESPN   
Chicago at Brooklyn
Game 1   8:00 PM   


ESPN
Memphis at LA Clippers
Game 1   10:30 PM   



SUNDAY



TNT
Atlanta at Indiana
Game 1   1:00 PM



ABC
LA Lakers at San Antonio
Game 1   3:30 PM   



TNT      
Milwaukee at Miami
Game 1   7:00 PM



TNT
Houston at Oklahoma City
Game 1   9:30 PM   
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Beezy on April 20, 2013, 02:00:09 PM
SO READY
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: etiolate on April 20, 2013, 02:44:58 PM
Golden State & Denver should be cool
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2013, 03:01:35 PM
I'm gonna have to hear this shitty Will I Am stuff the entire playoffs on ABC.  :sadbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: T-Short on April 20, 2013, 03:03:14 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2013, 03:01:35 PM
I'm gonna have to hear this shitty Will I Am stuff the entire playoffs on ABC.  :sadbron

yeah what the fuck was that? someone send a chechen to kill this guy. I'm paying
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2013, 03:08:08 PM
Damn Carmelo.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 20, 2013, 03:08:51 PM
Melo  :ooh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: T-Short on April 20, 2013, 03:10:18 PM
hehe, nice. would be nice if he went total loco like he did in the olympics
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Beezy on April 20, 2013, 03:10:24 PM
(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2436079/noahdribbledance.gif)

 :noah :noah :noah :noah
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: T-Short on April 20, 2013, 03:10:57 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 20, 2013, 03:22:28 PM
fffuuuuuuu jr smith's redonk dunk
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2013, 03:30:04 PM
Good tight first quarter.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2013, 04:08:31 PM
That was not good offense from the knicks in the first half.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Beezy on April 20, 2013, 04:09:40 PM
Melo started good, but then he played too much iso in the 2nd quarter. Haven't seen that from him in a good while.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2013, 05:33:18 PM
Celtics shut down completely there in the 4th.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 20, 2013, 05:40:35 PM
great first game.  I expect a long series, 6 or 7 games.  I think the Celtics and snag the next one but they're bound to lose one at home as well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 20, 2013, 05:40:40 PM
Quote from: Beezy on April 20, 2013, 03:10:24 PM
(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2436079/noahdribbledance.gif)

 :noah :noah :noah :noah

Best WNBA player in the league. :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Beezy on April 20, 2013, 05:55:23 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 20, 2013, 05:40:35 PM
great first game.  I expect a long series, 6 or 7 games.  I think the Celtics and snag the next one but they're bound to lose one at home as well.
Celtics aren't making it past game 5. We owe them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2013, 07:59:38 PM
Another good game doing down to the wire here in Denver.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 20, 2013, 08:06:36 PM
FUCKKKKK

STEPH CURRY IS GOD
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2013, 08:08:52 PM
Holy shit Andre Miller was ballin
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 20, 2013, 08:11:26 PM
:bow nba playoffs :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Beezy on April 20, 2013, 08:17:42 PM
If David Lee is out for the rest of the playoffs, the Warriors have no chance. :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2013, 11:56:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SsPDPqdrWo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: pilonv1 on April 21, 2013, 01:39:42 AM
Quote from: Beezy on April 20, 2013, 08:17:42 PM
If David Lee is out for the rest of the playoffs, the Warriors have no chance. :(

Yep :(

Landry doesn't play well against length. Best case is that he misses only games 2 & 3.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Beezy on April 21, 2013, 01:34:44 PM
Lee's season is done. Torn right hip flexor. Bring on the sweep. :stahp
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 21, 2013, 03:39:03 PM
How is Duncan better than he was a couple of years ago where it kind of looked like he gonna be out of the league soon.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 21, 2013, 04:09:56 PM
dat german medical staff
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 21, 2013, 10:37:59 PM
As expected Miami was in beast mode during that game.


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LeBron James had at least 25 points, 10 rebounds and 8 assists in a playoff game for the 13th time in his career. That's the most 25-10-8 playoff games in NBA history. Next on the list is Oscar Robertson with 10, followed by Bird, Kareem and Magic. That's quite the Hall of Fame list with LeBron on top.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 21, 2013, 11:10:04 PM
https://twitter.com/kobebryant/status/326095756643667969

:skip
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 22, 2013, 12:09:09 AM
why is skip even talking to kobe

ugh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 22, 2013, 12:17:48 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 22, 2013, 12:09:09 AM
why is skip even talking to kobe

ugh
http://www.the-coli.com/coliseum/107931-mike-dantoni-kobe-tweeting-during-game-hes-fan-point.html#.UXS57kqLxYU

popcorn.gif
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: etiolate on April 22, 2013, 01:46:51 AM
kobe is an epic level asshole

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 22, 2013, 01:48:58 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 22, 2013, 12:09:09 AM
why is skip even talking to kobe

ugh

It makes perfect sense for Lebron's #1 hater to be jocking Kobe

http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2012-articles/november/skip-bayless-wrote-4247-words-of-hot-garbage-on-lebron-james.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: pilonv1 on April 22, 2013, 02:59:18 AM
Quote from: Beezy on April 21, 2013, 01:34:44 PM
Lee's season is done. Torn right hip flexor. Bring on the sweep. :stahp

They'll win one in Oakland I think. Especially if Faried isn't back

but year  :gloomy
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 22, 2013, 03:23:31 AM
Sorry for ya, pilonv1. It was especially sucky seeing him visibly tighten up on the sidelines before he finally went down. That was otherwise the best game of the playoffs so far.

Lawson is in a weird position, being constantly 'on the verge of superstardom' (according to the announcers :rolleyes) with Miller upstaging him all the time.

Only got to see the Heat and Thunder games today before League Pass choked. Neither outcome was ever in doubt obviously. It is just fun seeing the top teams really rev up the engines and run right over the pretenders
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Brehvolution on April 22, 2013, 09:47:07 AM
Lot's of game 1 blowouts yesterday.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Beezy on April 22, 2013, 11:51:50 AM
6TH MAN OF THE YEAR
IN A CONTRACT YEAR
SO RIGHT
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 23, 2013, 12:35:58 AM
Clips - Grizz has reached that game 5/6 cage match intensity already

:whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 23, 2013, 01:29:16 AM
this fucking game  :wow
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 23, 2013, 01:31:17 AM
WoW
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 23, 2013, 01:31:32 AM
 :damn :damn :damn :damn :damn :damn

CP3 goddamn
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 23, 2013, 01:36:22 AM
Z-Bo looks done :gloomy
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 23, 2013, 07:07:58 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9203952/mike-brown-agrees-five-year-20-million-deal-cleveland-cavaliers-according-sources


 :whoo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: etiolate on April 23, 2013, 07:10:18 PM
poor Kyrie
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 23, 2013, 07:13:30 PM
I'm not a big Mike Brown guy obviously but I'm happy he's doing what he wants to do and back in the profession after what the Lakers pulled. I thought that was pretty disgraceful.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 23, 2013, 07:20:06 PM
(http://sportsmockery.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Kevin-Durant-Sports-Illustrated-Cover.jpg)


http://nba.si.com/2013/04/23/kevin-durant-oklahoma-city-thunder-sports-illustrated-cover/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Steve Contra on April 23, 2013, 07:29:30 PM
Do you think he realized how big a twat that made him sound, and how much of a bigger twat it makes him sound now that's on a magazine cover?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Mandark on April 23, 2013, 07:33:29 PM
Always amused by how elite pro athletes nurture a sense of grievance to motivate themselves.  If MJ was in Durant's shoes, he would have convinced himself that the US had lost to Spain in the gold medal round, just to add to the list.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 23, 2013, 07:34:19 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on April 23, 2013, 07:29:30 PM
Do you think he realized how big a twat that made him sound, and how much of a bigger twat it makes him sound now that's on a magazine cover?

meh. That's part of the problem with a sound bite culture. Read the link. Nothing he says is that bad. He's not whining about it. He's more saying he doesn't want to finish 2nd again to Lebron and is doing anything in his power so it doesn't happen.

That being said, its likely to happen again this year in the finals.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Beezy on April 23, 2013, 08:02:00 PM
KNICKS

CELTICS

GAME 2 :rock :rock :rock

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Steve Contra on April 23, 2013, 08:03:43 PM
Sorry, that quote just sounds dumb.  Second best in high-school?  Not in his highschool, mind you, but in the world.  Second draft pick? So second best basketball prospect in the world.  Second in the MVP race?  Second best basketball player in the world.  It's like Mandark says, it's imagined sleights.  Just saying "I want to win a championship" achieves the same thing, and you don't look like an asshole on a magazine cover.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 23, 2013, 08:37:04 PM
i can remember being 2nd in tests in school, and also 26th; coming in 2nd was way more motivational

btw he left off '2nd in scoring' but maybe that's cause he actually scored more points than Melo....I also realized that CP3 lost the nominal assist title to Rondo despite racking up about twice as many assists for the season. when will this madness end

Beezy, got the game on live, let's do this thang
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 23, 2013, 08:42:09 PM
JR Smith stunting :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Beezy on April 23, 2013, 08:43:23 PM
6th MAN OF THE YEAR

AN ENIGMA

JR DA GAWD
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 23, 2013, 08:46:32 PM
why don't they start him, anyway. It's not like Woodson yanks him all the time like George Karl did.

The game was actually going at the Celtics' pace 'til JR went off. Hopefully he starts breaking plays for heat checks now
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Beezy on April 23, 2013, 09:03:54 PM
I'm guessing cause they'd have no real scorer coming off the bench once he and Melo sat? I dunno. Cope has stepped up, but it's looking like he's still not ready for the playoffs yet.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 23, 2013, 09:28:25 PM
:bow the fucking bird man :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 23, 2013, 09:51:36 PM
lol a pastor friend of the family used to always drone on and on about "Kevin Durant plays the right way. Look at his stroke, look at his dribbling, he plays like a godly man. And he's so soft spoken and has no tattoos, what a role model for young black children. He even went to college! Unlike LeBrick Blames, who will never win a championship"

this was before I discovered that Durant is an aspiring rapper and has tattoos covering much of his torso under the jersey.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Beezy on April 23, 2013, 09:52:13 PM
terrible fucking tats too
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 23, 2013, 09:56:40 PM
and one of the league's leading technical foul recipients
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 23, 2013, 10:00:45 PM
glasses you don't need, pastel sweaters and a 10 yr old's backpack can get you a long way it seems

Celtics are just dying here :gloomy  Nothing worse than these 20 min stretches where they get like 6 points
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 23, 2013, 10:04:46 PM
i'm really bad at playoff predictions aren't I
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Beezy on April 23, 2013, 10:08:00 PM
You're a Heat fan. Not even. Just a Lebron fan.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 23, 2013, 10:08:11 PM
Sixers #2, never forget
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 23, 2013, 10:29:29 PM
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/3932007/fuck-this-gay-earth-o.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Beezy on April 23, 2013, 10:45:16 PM
 :mynicca :mynicca :mynicca
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 23, 2013, 11:23:23 PM
The first round should be 5 game series. Do we really need a 7 game series to determine the Heat, Spurs, etc are advancing?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: pilonv1 on April 24, 2013, 01:23:20 AM
(http://abload.de/img/wtfbench8lk4j.gif)

Sup Denver  :orly
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 24, 2013, 09:19:02 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 23, 2013, 11:23:23 PM
The first round should be 5 game series. Do we really need a 7 game series to determine the Heat, Spurs, etc are advancing?

nope, and it was better when it was 5 'cause an upset seemed much more possible, even though they were still rare. A win over a higher seed in a 7 game series isn't really an 'upset' anyway; you're categorically the better team at that point
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Mandark on April 24, 2013, 10:05:06 AM
I'd rather see a shorter regular season or the top 16 overall teams in the playoffs as fixes, honestly.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: pilonv1 on April 24, 2013, 10:06:26 AM
Top overall 16 would make sense. You'll never get less games because TV
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Mandark on April 24, 2013, 10:10:00 AM
Yeah.  Contraction of playoffs, regular season games, or of teams only happens when a league is hemorrhaging money, which the NBA emphatically is not.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: etiolate on April 24, 2013, 04:44:40 PM
I'm all for less regular season games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 24, 2013, 04:52:27 PM
Start in December instead, end with the same playoff dates
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: etiolate on April 24, 2013, 04:58:04 PM
I'd rather the games be more spaced out and teams have more time to practice and more time to heal injured players. There's a theory it would help with all the raw talent that comes into the league before they're really developed into a NBA player, but I'm not sure that it would actually help. It would benefit older teams.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Mandark on April 24, 2013, 07:16:15 PM
Fewer games with more rest time would also benefit teams that give heavy minutes to a small number of players, ie The Star System.  Which isn't bad in and of itself, but...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 24, 2013, 08:39:07 PM
SMH @ Westbrook acting like a little bitch because Patrick Beverley is actually playing D on him
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 24, 2013, 08:49:18 PM
I see the Hawks are performing up to expectations
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Steve Contra on April 25, 2013, 12:04:53 PM
http://www.okcfox.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/kokh_vid_10818.shtml (http://www.okcfox.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/kokh_vid_10818.shtml)

 :obama
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 25, 2013, 12:06:28 PM
Quote from: etiolate on April 24, 2013, 04:44:40 PM
I'm all for less regular season games.

This is one of etiolate's NBA opinions I can get behind.
Also hockey and baseball please.

Quote from: Mandark on April 24, 2013, 07:16:15 PM
Fewer games with more rest time would also benefit teams that give heavy minutes to a small number of players, ie The Star System.  Which isn't bad in and of itself, but...
:gladbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 25, 2013, 05:35:03 PM
sorta late, but cavs rehire mike brown

 :-\

cleveland just can't catch a break.  if they get lebron back, maybe there's some hope, but I don't foresee that shit happening.  I think its more likely that kyrie goes to miami tbh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 25, 2013, 07:54:43 PM
Who were you holding out for, Phil Jackson?

Kyrie would be giving up a bunch of money to go to Miami, and Mike Brown might get him playing D. Isn't Brown technically the coach who holds the Cavs' all-time win record? (I refuse to use the word 'winningest' but god it was tempting there)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 25, 2013, 09:39:05 PM
I wasn't holding out for anyone, let alone phil jackson.

Mike Brown's success in Cleveland is purely due to lebron, let's not give the man too much credit.  He's a decent defensively-minded coach but I don't trust him nor his assistant staff to get kyrie to play much better on D.  His only truly great defensive players as a cav coach with lebron and sideshow bob.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 25, 2013, 09:42:18 PM
also miami won easily yet again, surprising no one
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 25, 2013, 09:58:46 PM
clicked on this thread while halfway through Bucks-Heat, fml (nobody's fault but mine o/c)

Over to Clips - Grizz, called by C-Webb hooray
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 25, 2013, 10:01:53 PM
The Game Time app is being annoying as fuck actually, randomly showing scores when you change games or whatever, even though i have 'scores OFF' set everywhere I can find it. It is amazing how fast my eyes can dart to a final score :gloomy
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 25, 2013, 10:13:33 PM
I've had a hard time with game time as well
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 25, 2013, 10:17:35 PM
the constant updates are weird - sometimes they improve it, sometimes they make it worse. Overall, I love it but MAN, I just NEVER want to see the scores of a game I haven't watched. I have a million other ways to get that info. I understand why others would want it but if I have it set to OFF in the app options why does it constantly ask me to turn it on again?

anyhoo, watching Clips - Grizz basically live now. SHould be a great game even if the series is basically over.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2013, 12:20:08 PM
There seems to be a growing sentiment out there asking why is Joakim Noah busting his ass for the bulls on one leg while Derrick Rose has been medically cleared to play for awhile now but isn't. Not that all injuries can be directly compared of course but Iman Shumpert was seriously injured on the same day as Rose and has been back since late January. The one year Anniversary is approaching in a couple of days. (Rose was injured April 28, 2012)

I can't help but think some of the backlash is because of how poorly the people around Rose are communicating the situation about what is going on.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Beezy on April 26, 2013, 12:56:21 PM
Quote
Thunder G Russell Westbrook will undergo surgery to repair lateral meniscus tear in knee. No timetable set for his return.

 :fbm :fbm :fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2013, 01:00:04 PM
 :crazybron



On a serious note though that is very sad. Looks like it will be spurs heat.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2013, 01:05:32 PM
Here was the play

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68FF7jKzb48


Quote
Westbrook, who famously has never missed a game in high school, college or the pros, will assuredly miss extended time. The typical timetable for a meniscus tear is 6-8 weeks, though Metta World Peace did return from one in 13 days. That’s an extreme case though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 26, 2013, 01:13:28 PM
damn  :'(  that's heartbreaking
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Beezy on April 26, 2013, 01:26:53 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2013, 01:00:04 PM
:crazybron



On a serious note though that is very sad. Looks like it will be spurs heat.
Spurs Knicks :teehee

I actually think OKC will still make the Finals, but this still sucks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 26, 2013, 01:30:10 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2013, 01:05:32 PM
Quote
Westbrook, who famously has never missed a game in high school, college or the pros, will assuredly miss extended time. The typical timetable for a meniscus tear is 6-8 weeks, though Metta World Peace did return from one in 13 days. That’s an extreme case though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vVPgaSynf4
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: Steve Contra on April 26, 2013, 01:47:44 PM
Damn that sucks.  I guess god had to balance everything after injuring Kobe :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 26, 2013, 01:53:35 PM
RIP Bestbrook :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 26, 2013, 03:07:42 PM
Now Durant gets to be #1 on his own team
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: Steve Contra on April 26, 2013, 03:13:53 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 26, 2013, 03:07:42 PM
Now Durant gets to be #1 on his own team
:whoo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: Mandark on April 26, 2013, 03:23:22 PM
Westbrook was hurting the team with his ballhogging.  Now they can put in a pass-first PG and proven winner in Derek Fisher.

 :skip
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2013, 03:23:36 PM
(http://i44.tinypic.com/1t35sj.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2013, 09:29:11 PM
 Lakers are starting Darius Morris and Andrew Goudelock at the guard positions tonight.


 :ufup
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 26, 2013, 09:29:52 PM
someone needs to tell them it's too late to tank for the draft
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2013, 09:44:13 PM
I'm assuming Ainge will blow up this Celtics team in the off-season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: pilonv1 on April 26, 2013, 10:03:11 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2013, 09:44:13 PM
I'm assuming Ainge will blow up this Celtics team in the off-season.

There's not really any choice. Will be interesting to see if Garnett retires though
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2013, 10:07:33 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on April 26, 2013, 10:05:04 PM
I wish Ray hadn't become Benedict Allen last offseason. Would have been nice to see them go for one more run with the same core.
They would be in the exact same position they are in right now. Boy would that be entertaining.

 ::)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 26, 2013, 10:12:47 PM
guess all these injuries mean Bron will get his second "half ring." First half in a lockout shortened season, second in a season missing multiple players due to injury (Rose, Kobe, Worstbrook)
:skip

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2013, 10:15:15 PM
I had already prepared that post in case the Heat win.  :(


and now you stole it.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2013, 10:39:43 PM
JR Smith being JR Smith.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2013, 12:45:20 AM
Hilarious that the ESPN 1 audience gets this awful Lakers Spurs blowout but ESPN 2 gets the terrific Nuggets versus Warriors game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2013, 01:20:28 AM
Wow. This finish is crazy on both sides.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2013, 01:25:54 AM
Crazy game. Warriors playing this series tough.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: Beezy on April 27, 2013, 01:26:33 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2013, 10:39:43 PM
JR Smith being JR Smith.

An enigma? :smug
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 27, 2013, 11:20:58 AM
Hollinger did a great Insider piece on injuries during the post-lockout season and concluded that basically there were always stars missing from the playoffs and that every year we have the tendency to think the league is cursed or favoring one blessed team or that the schedule is causing freak amounts of injuries but that this is really not the case. You have to look at injuries to non-stars who also play big minutes to really put it in context. Without a doubt, too many injuries are suffered, but then any injury is 'too many'.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2013, 04:48:01 PM
lol. Nate Robinson is going off.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: T-Short on April 27, 2013, 04:49:36 PM
NAAAAATE!!!!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2013, 05:12:12 PM
This bulls Nets game is a classic. You missed some good shit if you didn't catch this one.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2013, 05:17:49 PM
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!

THAT WAS A FUCKING AWFUL SHOT AND HE MADE IT!!!


 :dwill
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2013, 05:20:54 PM
 :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo :whoo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 27, 2013, 05:21:53 PM
|OT2|
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: T-Short on April 27, 2013, 05:23:39 PM
damn. must be so demoralizing to the Bulls. I think Nets got this now
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2013, 05:26:41 PM
Amazing effort. You can just see Noah is fucking gassed but he's still going hard.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 27, 2013, 05:41:31 PM
goddamit why did I not watch this
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: T-Short on April 27, 2013, 05:42:26 PM
Nate fouled out  :noah
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 27, 2013, 05:43:07 PM
Come on, OT3!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: T-Short on April 27, 2013, 05:45:06 PM
:noah :noah :noah
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 27, 2013, 05:49:48 PM
If the Bulls run out of players, do the Nets get an automatic win?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2013, 05:53:19 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on April 27, 2013, 05:49:48 PM
If the Bulls run out of players, do the Nets get an automatic win?

Don't worry. Derrick Rose will start playing.


 :crazybron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: Steve Contra on April 27, 2013, 06:27:35 PM
Warriors game was awesome.  Got to watch it in an Oakland bar packed with fans, god damn if Warriors fans aren't some of the best in the league.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2013, 01:00:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYSG6Yx1mcs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02LTR7Bwa8Y
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 28, 2013, 01:34:19 AM
Hinrich played all 60 minutes :ohhh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 28, 2013, 03:28:21 PM
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/227386/Popovich-Reiterates-Plan-To-Follow-Duncan-Into-Retirement
 :'(

Bros till the end, like Gears of War
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: Beezy on April 28, 2013, 04:12:58 PM
Knicks failed to sweep. Ah well. Knicks in 5 it is.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 28, 2013, 05:14:47 PM
how have we not talked about the absolute insane late night game last night

thunder rockets was a fucking roller-coaster last night
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2013, 05:21:51 PM
Yeah it was a good game. That durant shot that rolled around and then fell in was crazy. Tonights Nuggets/Warriors game should be awesome.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 28, 2013, 05:56:32 PM
I was at a party late last night during a terrible storm in Nashville during that game.  Before we left for it, the score was like 44-19 thunder and we lol'd the game off.  No cable at the party because of the storm.  Someone pulls out their phone at the party and loses his shit, seeing that the rockets were only done two with like 5 minutes to go.  Every dude in that apartment went to the other section of the room and crowded arond a 4 inch screen to watch that crazy durant 3.  Like 15 dudes losing their shit  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2013, 09:54:48 PM
Quote
In his final game before unrestricted free agency, Dwight Howard scored seven points before getting ejected early in the third quarter for arguing.

Perfect sentence to sum up the Lakers season.

 :)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2013, 10:33:46 PM
Man what is it about that area that creates these insane Golden State crowds. I mean I lived near that area and know those fans are passionate but man. They are something. Feels like a college game whenever they have home playoff games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 28, 2013, 10:37:04 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2013, 09:54:48 PM
Quote
In his final game before unrestricted free agency, Dwight Howard scored seven points before getting ejected early in the third quarter for arguing.

Perfect sentence to sum up the Lakers season.

 :)

:superman
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 28, 2013, 10:47:44 PM
:ufup :deadkobe



:rejoice

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 28, 2013, 11:16:36 PM
these warriors don't want to quit.  goddamn at them.  they're playing great.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 28, 2013, 11:24:05 PM
:bow steph curry :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 28, 2013, 11:29:06 PM
Dwight is gonna get booed so much when he comes back to LA next season wearing a Nets jersey
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2013, 11:35:44 PM
Good god Curry is in NBA 2k mode.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 28, 2013, 11:35:46 PM
FUCKING STEPH CURRY HOLY FUCKING SHIT
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 28, 2013, 11:40:31 PM
This Steph Curry thing is....its a real fucking deal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 28, 2013, 11:57:04 PM
(http://i.minus.com/iszjfSQDWWRd4.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 28, 2013, 11:59:00 PM
"fuck you man?"

is that what he's saying
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 29, 2013, 12:06:16 AM
golden state is taking this series.  this team is so fun to watch
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2013, 12:07:03 AM
Warriors just look like they are too much for the nuggets. Too fast. Too much outside shooting. Very good job of spreading the court.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2013, 12:41:26 AM
Weird spot for their franchise. Lakers I mean.

An aging superstar coming of on injury who you need just to be credible.
A big man who needs to be surrounded by three point shooters to be effective
Pau Gasol a big man who doesn't really fit it on this Lakers squad anymore.
An old Steve Nash who isn't the old Steve Nash anymore.

They are a mess at the moment.



Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: Mandark on April 29, 2013, 01:54:23 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2013, 12:41:26 AM
A big man who needs to be surrounded by three point shooters to be effective

I'd be more worried about lingering back issues with Dwight than anything.  Let's not kid ourselves: when he's 100%, he's an elite player and having him on a max contract is a steal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: etiolate on April 29, 2013, 02:19:05 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2013, 10:33:46 PM
Man what is it about that area that creates these insane Golden State crowds. I mean I lived near that area and know those fans are passionate but man. They are something. Feels like a college game whenever they have home playoff games.

The fans are mostly in the east bay, so there's a lot of younger brother tenacity to the fanbase. Plus suffering fanbase stuff. Not just miserable years as a Warriors fan, but also misery from being Raider fans and fans of the moneyball team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 29, 2013, 02:22:53 AM
Magic Johnson taking a big shit on Dwight, wow
http://www.the-coli.com/coliseum/110002-magic-johnson-giving-dwight-work-via-twitter.html#.UX4RmkqLxYU

He's so gone once FA starts
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: Mandark on April 29, 2013, 02:28:01 AM
Magic was pretty blunt about the way the team went out in 2011, too, with Bynum and Odom's hard fouls in the last game against the Mavs.

Would enjoy seeing Dwight go to Houston and beast out there, if only for the Laker fan schadenfreude.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: pilonv1 on April 29, 2013, 02:43:16 AM
I'd rather Asik than Dwight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: etiolate on April 29, 2013, 02:50:07 AM
why do I listen to sports radio

Laker fans are talking about their "suffering" non-stop. They are mad about everything except the actual reasons the Lakers are first round chumps. No, it's not an old roster that is more prone to get injured. No, it's not a coach that likes to run and have shooters paired with a roster that's old and lacking in shooters. No, it's not the Kobe-atmosphere that makes multiple stars have to do all the dirty work and shoulder all the blame. No, it's not the fact the team went through three coaches and multiple injuries in one year. No, it's not a roster full of poor defenders relying on a Center with a bad back.

It's cuz Dwight or Pau aren't man enough to be bro-married to Kobe.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: Mandark on April 29, 2013, 02:51:05 AM
I like Asik a lot but injury worries are the only reason I'd even think about considering whether to mull the possibility of debating if I'd want him or Dwight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2013, 10:36:52 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 28, 2013, 01:34:19 AM
Hinrich played all 60 minutes :ohhh

And there is a cost to pay for that.

Quote
Quote:
K.C Johnson ‏@KCJHoop 15m
Hinrich is in walking boot, out for Game 5 and possibly more.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 29, 2013, 11:12:47 AM
Rose isn't coming back at all for playoffs?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 29, 2013, 11:21:38 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 29, 2013, 11:12:47 AM
Rose isn't coming back at all for playoffs?

Rose is a delicate flower.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 29, 2013, 11:22:09 AM
Seriously, what is the deal with :dead2 ?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2013, 11:24:04 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 29, 2013, 11:12:47 AM
Rose isn't coming back at all for playoffs?

The latest rumours are that he might come back for the Heat series if they advance but nobody really knows because nobody has been communicating anything about what is going on. He's been medically cleared to play for a while now. No one knows what the holdup issues are.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1621596-derrick-rose-brother-reggie-says-bulls-star-could-return-in-second-round
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2013, 11:28:56 AM
 :drudge

(http://gamedayr.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/jason-collins-openly-gay-athlete-570x758.jpg)

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NBA center Jason Collins has become the first male athlete in a major professional sport to come out as gay.

The 34-year-old, who was traded to the Washington Wizards in February, tells Sports Illustrated:

"I didn't set out to be the first openly gay athlete playing in a major American team sport. But since I am, I'm happy to start the conversation. I wish I wasn't the kid in the classroom raising his hand and saying, 'I'm different.' If I had my way, someone else would have already done this. Nobody has, which is why I'm raising my hand."
My journey of self-discovery and self-acknowledgement began in my hometown of Los Angeles and has taken me through two state high school championships, the NCAA Final Four and the Elite Eight, and nine playoffs in 12 NBA seasons."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/magazine/news/20130429/jason-collins-gay-nba-player/?sct=hp_t11_a0&eref=sihp





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jarron collins
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sportsillustrated.cnn.com/magazine/news/… very proud of you @jasoncollins34
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Proud of @jasoncollins34. Don't suffocate who u r because of the ignorance of others #courage #support #mambaarmystandup #BYOU
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I am so proud of my bro @jasoncollins34 for being real. #FTheHaters bit.ly/12J9el5
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The time has come. Maximum respect. RT @Baron_Davis: I am so proud of my bro @jasoncollins34 for being real. ... tmi.me/TGSBh
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I'm proud to call Jason Collins a friend. wjcf.co/154piCi
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Very proud of my friend Jason Collins for having the strength & courage to be the first openly gay player in the NBA. bit.ly/ZLei9F
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proud of Washington Wizards' player Jason Collins (@JasonCollins34) for coming out. we will stand with you as you continue on your journey.
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NBA Commissioner David Stern statement re: Washington Wizards center Jason Collins announcement today: (1/4)
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his career and we are proud he has assumed the leadership mantle on this very important issue.” #NBAFamily (4/4)
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Thoughtful and moving article. @jasoncollins34 took a courageous step in the movement for LGBT equality bit.ly/13GeC8e
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Beautiful essay by @jasoncollins34 RT @chrisgeidner: BREAKING: NBA's Jason Collins Comes Out In Sports Illustrated: bit.ly/YgWF1D
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President Clinton issues statement supporting Jason Collins. Chelsea Clinton and Jason Collins were classmates and good friends at Stanford.
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2013, 11:57:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq-ogYlmgqI
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2013, 12:16:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uffkb1k5RLo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-BVncab0WI
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 29, 2013, 01:03:26 PM
that curry video :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 29, 2013, 01:08:24 PM
Rose coming back could throw the team off, it'll be interesting to see how it plays out
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 29, 2013, 01:11:10 PM
It would be such a dumb move to throw Rose into a fresh series with the Heat.  Dude hasn't played a game in over a year, hasn't been able to prepare for the Heat, and would have an incredible amount of pressure to perform well in what could arguably be the toughest hurdle for the Heat.

Keep him resting.  This is 12-15 years of your franchise you're talking about, not a quick gamble for maybe getting to the Finals only to lose to the Thunder/Spurs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 29, 2013, 01:30:13 PM
I agree with Shaq/Charles on Dwight, and have been saying that for years. He doesn't seem to have any specific moves and is an emotional child.

Also I just learned...he has 5 kids with 5 women? I remember during the draft there were stories about how his parents didn't let him listen to rap music or watch R rated movies  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2013, 01:51:42 PM
I lost a lot of respect for Dwight obviously by how he handled the orlando situation but there was one comment I read from him that really sealed it. It was along the lines of he didn't want to end up like Lebron, sort of explaining why he did what he did in Orlando.

That just ended it for me. I couldn't take him seriously anymore after that. It was like watching a man sized child after that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 29, 2013, 01:58:57 PM
As an aside, how the hell has Jason Collins lasted in the NBA so long. He's been in the league since '01 with a 7.1 career PER.  :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 29, 2013, 02:00:50 PM
too focused on boxing out dudes  :-*
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2013, 02:01:57 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on April 29, 2013, 01:58:57 PM
As an aside, how the hell has Jason Collins lasted in the NBA so long. He's been in the league since '01 with a 7.1 career PER.  :kobeyuck

He was a big bulky dude who played decent defense against big bodies.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: Steve Contra on April 29, 2013, 02:11:16 PM
He handled Dwight Howard a few years ago.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 29, 2013, 02:17:07 PM
 :-*
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: etiolate on April 29, 2013, 04:31:34 PM
I would like to thank Jason Collins for most likely leading to the firing of Chris Broussard.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: Steve Contra on April 29, 2013, 04:37:57 PM
Hopefully Skip Bayless says something equally as offensive
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: T-Short on April 29, 2013, 04:38:31 PM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/gay-teen-still-going-to-buy-lebron-james-jersey,32250/ (http://www.theonion.com/articles/gay-teen-still-going-to-buy-lebron-james-jersey,32250/)

hehe
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 29, 2013, 04:56:35 PM
Quote from: etiolate on April 29, 2013, 04:31:34 PM
I would like to thank Jason Collins for most likely leading to the firing of Chris Broussard.

I think he'll survive. While his comments were ugly, he covered them in religious belief and compared it to other sins he opposes. People who have been fired for anti-gay comments were far less careful (see: Tim Hardaway).

SMH though. Tha god showed people how to handle these situations without getting fined/fired, years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBLrSz0oNvs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: etiolate on April 29, 2013, 05:08:11 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 29, 2013, 04:56:35 PM
Quote from: etiolate on April 29, 2013, 04:31:34 PM
I would like to thank Jason Collins for most likely leading to the firing of Chris Broussard.

I think he'll survive. While his comments were ugly, he covered them in religious belief and compared it to other sins he opposes. People who have been fired for anti-gay comments were far less careful (see: Tim Hardaway).

SMH though. Tha god showed people how to handle these situations without getting fined/fired, years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBLrSz0oNvs

I think he explained himself well, but he'll still get canned for saying it so soon after the news breaks.

Maybe I'm just hoping for it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers cap off the greatest season in NBA history)
Post by: etiolate on April 29, 2013, 05:16:28 PM
Time to gather up all this pissant comments about the Kings leaving.

I got a lot of bags of dicks to hand out!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat. Can't stop. WON'T stop)
Post by: etiolate on April 29, 2013, 05:33:50 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 22, 2013, 02:34:27 PM
kings are gone dude.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y7/HatchettMan/NBA/kjdunkmaloofs_zpseab10ab0.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 29, 2013, 05:36:27 PM
wait, what did broussard say?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Steve Contra on April 29, 2013, 05:37:20 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 29, 2013, 05:36:27 PM
wait, what did broussard say?
That being gay was an affront to god's plan or some shit like that.  ESPN was also pretty heavily criticized for not mentioning it for 3 hours or something and focusing on Tebow, which no one fucking cares about anymore.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2013, 05:39:08 PM
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NBA committee rejects Kings move to Seattle
By Dale Kasler, Ryan Lillis and Tony Bizjak

In a move that all but guarantees the Sacramento Kings are staying put, a committee of NBA owners voted unanimously today to block the team's pending sale and relocation to Seattle.

The NBA announced that its combined relocation and finance advisory committee, composed of 12 owners, voted unanimously to reject the Maloof family's proposed sale of the Kings to hedge fund manager Chris Hansen and Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer, who planned to move the team to Seattle.

The Maloof family had no immediate comment. Nor was there immediate comment from the Sacramento bidders whose efforts to keep the team in town appear to have succeeded. A Hansen spokesman had no immediate comment, either.

"What Sacramento did was beat the odds," said Michael McCann, legal analyst at NBA TV.

Mayor Kevin Johnson, who spearheaded the effort to derail the Seattle move, took to Twitter to announce: "That's what I'm talking about SACRAMENTO!!!!! WE DID IT!!!!!"

The full Board of Governors isn't expected to vote on the Kings until around May 13, but the committee's recommendation will surely be influential. The Hansen-Ballmer group needs 23 of 30 owners' votes to get control of the team.

Today's vote followed a two-hour conference call by committee members - and came after months of unprecedented arm wrestling over the lowly Kings. The Maloofs agreed in January to sell their 65 percent share to the Hansen group for $341 million. Hansen upped the offer to $357 million earlier this month.

A group of eight investors recruited by Mayor Kevin Johnson and led by Palo Alto software executive Vivek Ranadive submitted a proposal to keep the team in town. The deal matched Hansen's original offer of $341 million, according to a letter the Maloofs sent earlier this month to the NBA.

Both cities pitched multimillion-dollar subsidies for new arenas, with the Sacramento City Council tentatively approving a $258 million subsidy, to be paid mainly by borrowing against future parking revenues. Seattle, which lost its SuperSonics to Oklahoma City in 2008, offered the larger and richer market. But Sacramento touted its long record of loyalty to the NBA and its status as a one-team town.

McCann said it was remarkable for the NBA to reject the proposal from Hansen and Ballmer, a pair of owners "that had no question marks." The last time the NBA killed a sale and relocation, involving the Minnesota Timberwolves in 1994, the potential buyers in New Orleans had shaky financing.

With the Kings, the process dragged out weeks longer than usual, and McCann said that was no coincidence. "They wanted the unanimous vote," he said.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 29, 2013, 05:39:13 PM
 :ufup :trash his ass
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2013, 05:39:58 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on April 29, 2013, 05:37:20 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 29, 2013, 05:36:27 PM
wait, what did broussard say?
That being gay was an affront to god's plan or some shit like that.  ESPN was also pretty heavily criticized for not mentioning it for 3 hours or something and focusing on Tebow, which no one fucking cares about anymore.

Yeah I noticed that this morning also. They keep trying to flog that Tebow shit when the Collins story is clearly the bigger news story.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Steve Contra on April 29, 2013, 05:40:57 PM
"If you're openly living in unrepentant sin, whatever it may be, I believe that's walking in open rebellion to God and Jesus Christ." was the exact quote.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2013, 05:42:50 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 29, 2013, 05:39:13 PM
:ufup :trash his ass

This. Broussard sucks anyway.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Steve Contra on April 29, 2013, 05:42:57 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2013, 05:39:58 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on April 29, 2013, 05:37:20 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 29, 2013, 05:36:27 PM
wait, what did broussard say?
That being gay was an affront to god's plan or some shit like that.  ESPN was also pretty heavily criticized for not mentioning it for 3 hours or something and focusing on Tebow, which no one fucking cares about anymore.

Yeah I noticed that this morning also. They keep trying to flog that Tebow shit when the Collins story is clearly the bigger news story.
It is great that the Tebow story was shuffled to the side today :)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 29, 2013, 05:43:52 PM
My sources say that Chris Broussard is a everloving cuntfuck.  According to my sources.

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: etiolate on April 29, 2013, 05:53:58 PM
I'm impressed by how clueless everyone is about the Kings/Seattle situation.

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McCann said it was remarkable for the NBA to reject the proposal from Hansen and Ballmer, a pair of owners "that had no question marks." The last time the NBA killed a sale and relocation, involving the Minnesota Timberwolves in 1994, the potential buyers in New Orleans had shaky financing.

And because the owners of the TWolves at the time gave the local city no chance to submit their own buyer to keep the team. There was precedence for this, even though the Sacramento/Seattle situation had two high quality buyers. There was no reason for the Kings to move. It was only happening because the current owners were being petty jackasses, but that eventually pissed Stern off so much that he decided to step in. Stern doesn't love Sactown or hate Seattle. He may begrudge Seattle's local government for not helping when they had the chance, but he probably wants a Seattle team to redeem his legacy. (LOL) The problem was that the Sacramento market was viable, had a loyal fanbase, had an ownership group willing to buy the team and an arena deal in place (TWICE!). So when the Maloofs fucked things up with the previous arena deal, they basically made an enemy out of the NBA office and when they tried to fuck over their local fans even more, the NBA made sure they couldn't do it so easily. Enter KJ and his crew, and all that they did, and then there really wasn't a legit reason to move the team.

But the ESPNs and the dumbfuck fans fell back on the idea that the Seattle group had too much money and that Seattle was too glamorous. They dismissed the issues of how a bevy of relocation can devalue the league, that three teams with intertwined lineages that rub against and rub out each other hurts brand identity. That this couldn't be a giant bidding war due to how Hansen tried to sneak this deal in without competition. That there was plenty of money on both sides. How the NBA can't hope to work with cities to build Arenas if they let the Maloofs fuck over a willing city twice over. How hard it is to get a sports venue deal done in California and that the Sacramento arena would be a gateway to improving that situation. Many had no idea that Sacramento fan support was greater than Sonic fan support over the same time period. They were ignorant and loud. And now they're derping away.

Eat a bag of dicks day for everyone!

And you know what would have happened if the team moved to Seattle? All that glamour and love for the city of Seattle would fade in one year and every media pontz would bitch about the misery and weather of going to Seattle every chance they got. So an extra bag of dicks for the media. Double serving.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 29, 2013, 06:04:30 PM
do you guys hear someone talking?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Steve Contra on April 29, 2013, 06:08:38 PM
It's supposed to be a basketball thread but someone keeps mentioning Sacramento ???

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J/K I thought the Kings were definitely going to Seattle, but I'm glad they're staying.  That city doesn't need to get shit on anymore.
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: etiolate on April 29, 2013, 06:16:18 PM
Also, if you pay attention to the changing wording of responses to questions about relocation, you will see that Adam Silver's reign will probably begin with work being done to add an expansion team for Seattle. Hansen may go after the Bucks, but I still feel the issues of moving and brand identity remain there. The NBA created this problem by allowing the OKC move. They created 31 markets in a league with only 30 teams. The only way to eventually resolve that is to expand. Otherwise, it's a game of musical chairs. ( Kansas City could probably support a team as well, but I think they are on the backburner. )
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 29, 2013, 06:45:05 PM
Congrats on keeping your team, man.

Quote from: etiolate on April 29, 2013, 06:16:18 PM
The NBA created this problem by allowing the OKC move. They created 31 markets in a league with only 30 teams.

THIS. Fuck Stern. Fuck him. Seriously fuck that man. I find it funny that his guilt over fucking over Seattle in the relocation to OKC led to him fucking over Seattle once again. :lol

Finally, expect Zombie Sonics to make appearances in OKC during the playoffs now. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: etiolate on April 29, 2013, 06:51:23 PM
Well if he didn't fuck over Seattle then he'd be fucking over Sacramento. Hansen should have gone after a different team. The Maloofs are idiots and likely the reason that Stern worked against the move. There was no good reason for the team to move and it was only happening because of how small-time they are as owners. Hansen preyed upon them to get a binding deal with no compete, but in the end it was probably a bad move.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 29, 2013, 06:59:23 PM
Oh I get that the other option was screwing over Sacramento. I just find it really ironic that his remorse over screwing over Seattle resulted in screwing over Seattle again to prevent another city from losing their team.

I know he doesn't care what people in Seattle think of him, but man oh man is he hated.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Mandark on April 29, 2013, 07:31:27 PM
Great news for Sacramento fans, who provided really good crowds during the Webber days.  But it's not like any larger moral issues or the health of the league were at stake.  The Kings have already moved twice, the Sonics move to OKC has obviously not hurt the team's or the league's marketability, and if anything cities seem more willing to pay for arena construction when owners are acting extra shady and untrustworthy.

Pro franchises using relocation as a cudgel to get taxpayer money for arenas is one of my least favorite things about sports, but I don't see it changing.  Could the federal government take away the tax exemption for muni bonds if they were using the funds for a stadium?  They'd probably figure out a dozen ways around it within a week.  Bleh.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 29, 2013, 07:42:19 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on April 29, 2013, 06:08:38 PM
It's supposed to be a basketball thread but someone keeps mentioning Sacramento ???

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J/K I thought the Kings were definitely going to Seattle, but I'm glad they're staying.  That city doesn't need to get shit on anymore.
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Meanwhile, no one cares if Seattle gets shit on. It's Seattle.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: etiolate on April 29, 2013, 07:51:19 PM
Quote from: Mandark on April 29, 2013, 07:31:27 PM
Great news for Sacramento fans, who provided really good crowds during the Webber days.  But it's not like any larger moral issues or the health of the league were at stake.  The Kings have already moved twice, the Sonics move to OKC has obviously not hurt the team's or the league's marketability, and if anything cities seem more willing to pay for arena construction when owners are acting extra shady and untrustworthy.

Pro franchises using relocation as a cudgel to get taxpayer money for arenas is one of my least favorite things about sports, but I don't see it changing.  Could the federal government take away the tax exemption for muni bonds if they were using the funds for a stadium?  They'd probably figure out a dozen ways around it within a week.  Bleh.

If this was a play to get an arena and the Maloofs were using the moving threat to get an arena built then they could have accomplished that years ago. This is quite a bit different. I also think you're being short-sighted to think the OKC move and further moves won't hurt the league, but I guess sticking with the status quo is your tendecy.

Just to make clear before anyone gets confused: Sac arena won't be paid for through taxes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 29, 2013, 08:24:47 PM
Glad the Kings are staying in Sac. Perhaps etiolate could celebrate this joyous occasion by not calling people cunts etc for 5 mins

I have Steph Curry fever now after that game btw :whew

2 of the most hilarious NO-FUCKING-WAY did he take that 3s i've ever seen a player make in my life. I think it's love <3

I've been watching everything on delay unfortunately - holiday weekend here in Japan so was doin thangs all day

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 29, 2013, 08:27:24 PM
also great news from Jason Collins - and i guess props to the likes of John Amaechi and Kevin Arnowitz who helped Collins take this step. It can't be easy being the first.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Steve Contra on April 29, 2013, 08:27:55 PM
The three from like 5 feet beyond the line :gladbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 29, 2013, 08:38:24 PM
that three where he just fucking turns around and jogs off before it even goes in  :aah
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: etiolate on April 29, 2013, 08:48:46 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 29, 2013, 08:24:47 PM
Glad the Kings are staying in Sac. Perhaps etiolate could celebrate this joyous occasion by not calling people cunts etc for 5 mins

I have Steph Curry fever now after that game btw :whew

2 of the most hilarious NO-FUCKING-WAY did he take that 3s i've ever seen a player make in my life. I think it's love <3

I've been watching everything on delay unfortunately - holiday weekend here in Japan so was doin thangs all day

When people stop needlessly being cunts to me then I'll stop calling them out on it.



As for Steph Curry: yeah he's been awesome. The west playoffs are a bit more interesting with Westbrook out. The Warriors could make a run if Bogut can keep playing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 29, 2013, 08:49:08 PM
I would love to see what would happen if he just said fuck it and launched a 3 in transition from 36 feet every time he was open (which for Curry seems to be anytime he's not blanketed by KG and LeBron at once). He's not far off there right now, at 8 attempts a game. If he took 20 of 'em say, what kind of carnage would result. How entertained would we be? Would the offense be more or less efficient?

There's something about those long 3s that defies my ability to compute whether they're going in or not. You watch enough NBA, you pretty much know when a regular 3 is going in.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 29, 2013, 08:49:53 PM
Quote from: etiolate on April 29, 2013, 08:48:46 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 29, 2013, 08:24:47 PM
Glad the Kings are staying in Sac. Perhaps etiolate could celebrate this joyous occasion by not calling people cunts etc for 5 mins

I have Steph Curry fever now after that game btw :whew

2 of the most hilarious NO-FUCKING-WAY did he take that 3s i've ever seen a player make in my life. I think it's love <3

I've been watching everything on delay unfortunately - holiday weekend here in Japan so was doin thangs all day

When people stop needlessly being cunts to me then I'll stop calling them out on it.



As for Steph Curry: yeah he's been awesome. The west playoffs are a bit more interesting with Westbrook out. The Warriors could make a run if Bogut can keep playing.

Like DMC you are keepin' it real eh. The burden of your passion and honesty
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: etiolate on April 29, 2013, 08:57:06 PM
you know that thing I said about needlessly being a cunt
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 29, 2013, 09:01:24 PM
meh, not a fan of Stephen Curry

Kids don't need more encouragement to save their energy for offense, dribble forever and take long shots contested or not

Curry is good enough to do it but it's annoying to see inferior talents try the same
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 29, 2013, 09:05:57 PM
you have no jumper, do you smooth

i can tell
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 29, 2013, 09:06:36 PM
Quote from: etiolate on April 29, 2013, 08:57:06 PM
you know that thing I said about needlessly being a cunt

i referenced that precisely cause it was the last time you called me and others a cunt for no discernible reason
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 29, 2013, 09:07:37 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 29, 2013, 09:05:57 PM
you have no jumper, do you smooth

i can tell

I pattern my game after the best player

:troll
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Beezy on April 29, 2013, 09:08:18 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on April 29, 2013, 09:01:24 PM
meh, not a fan of Stephen Curry

Kids don't need more encouragement to save their energy for offense, dribble forever and take long shots contested or not

Curry is good enough to do it but it's annoying to see inferior talents try the same
So you're not a fan of Curry because he's good at what he does and copycats aren't. Makes perfect sense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 29, 2013, 09:12:22 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on April 29, 2013, 09:07:37 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 29, 2013, 09:05:57 PM
you have no jumper, do you smooth

i can tell

I pattern my game after the best player

:troll

no jumper
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 29, 2013, 09:14:37 PM
Not a fan because that style of playing is already attractive to many young players

The success of Curry and the Warriors will make it even more alluring

I don't believe that the Warriors will ever win a championship or even be a perennial conference finalist playing like that but what Curry has done is good enough vindication for people who believe in that kinda basketball
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: etiolate on April 29, 2013, 09:19:55 PM
Defense is an ability/pride thing. I know that's not a technical argument, but Curry isn't an example of someone showing you shouldn't bother with defense. If you are a young player and think that you can skate by with no D because some NBA scorer does then you're a victim of your own foolishness. If you want more than flash then you'll learn to D up regardless of the players you like.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 29, 2013, 09:23:20 PM
to be fair, curry played great D in that third quarter
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 29, 2013, 09:24:28 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 29, 2013, 09:12:22 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on April 29, 2013, 09:07:37 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 29, 2013, 09:05:57 PM
you have no jumper, do you smooth

i can tell

I pattern my game after the best player

:troll

no jumper

(http://www.the-coli.com/images/smilies/sadbron.png)

I hate it when people are playing 1s and 2s

It's even harder to have a consistent jumper when lifting heavy


Quote from: etiolate on April 29, 2013, 09:19:55 PM
Defense is an ability/pride thing. I know that's not a technical argument, but Curry isn't an example of someone showing you shouldn't bother with defense. If you are a young player and think that you can skate by with no D because some NBA scorer does then you're a victim of your own foolishness. If you want more than flash then you'll learn to D up regardless of the players you like.

Curry could be much better on D though.  I don't buy that a player can be that quick on offense but not defense. 

But I guess why bother when most fans only care about how much a player's doing on offense? 

You won't believe how often Antawn Jamison is credited by Lakers fans as one of the good guys
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 29, 2013, 09:25:12 PM
Curry's style is hella entertaining, and times are changing - the 3pt shot is the most important part of the game, and there is plenty of evidence that Curry is the best we've yet seen at it. He can't guard Ty Lawson but Lawson can't guard him either. Curry also distributes plenty and can get into the paint enough to keep the D honest. Would be nice if he could guard as well but go on, name some All-Star quality 2 way PGs, I'm waiting. You got Chris Paul making every one else look bad, basically
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 29, 2013, 09:33:02 PM
I don't expect Curry to be a two-way beast but there's no excuse for him not even being able to guard the current Steve Nash

At the least, he should be a Tony Parker like defender.  Not great but also not someone who is a pushover on every isolation. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 29, 2013, 09:47:53 PM
do you remember what Tony Parker was like at Curry's age? He was a sieve
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 29, 2013, 09:49:35 PM
anyway, i am Team Curry although i agree with everything that has been said about his limitations
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 29, 2013, 09:55:23 PM
Was Parker that bad? 

I can't find the box scores but I remember him doing alright against Jason Kidd in the finals

Parker also held his own against Chris Paul in the Hornets five years ago

I thought CP3 was gonna destroy him
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 29, 2013, 10:06:11 PM
Parker is perfectly solid now but he was their weakest link for years. He has the major advantage of being able to funnel guards at Duncan of course so you didn't see him getting burned in isolation much.

Curry may never improve, especially if his ankles keep playing up and limiting his lateral quickness, but his frame by itself is not necessarily an indication that he can't be good - just look at Avery Bradley.

I am being denied any games today - kid is off school and hogging the TV :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 29, 2013, 10:07:33 PM
http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/9207333/stephen-curry-big-shot

This article made me like Curry more



Btw, is Pistol Pete one of the top 5 most overrated of all time?  Great college player, good player at best in the NBA

No way should he have been 1st ballot HOF or top 50 all time


edit-wrong about HOF, 2nd time but he did make the top 50 list

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Greatest_Players_in_NBA_History
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 29, 2013, 10:16:38 PM
Pistol Pete wasn't shooting no 45% from 3 on 300-plus attempts, i'll tell you that much for free
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Mandark on April 29, 2013, 10:21:16 PM
Those Spurs championships against the Nets and Pistons almost feel like a different era.  Lots of physical post play and you built your defense around stopping elite centers and wing guys and not worrying too much about PG's.  Loved watching Timmy vs. the Wallaces, but that style of basketball can get real ugly when the teams aren't that talented.

Quote from: etiolate on April 29, 2013, 07:51:19 PM
I also think you're being short-sighted to think the OKC move and further moves won't hurt the league, but I guess sticking with the status quo is your tendecy.

Just to make clear before anyone gets confused: Sac arena won't be paid for through taxes.

I'm sure there's some hypothetical threshold for the rate of franchise relocation past which the league and team brands get significantly devalued.  But with a few decades of experience for three or four major pro sports leagues, is there any reason to think we're close to that point or that it's going to ramp up really soon?  The NFL moved teams around at a similar pace in the 90's, baseball in the 50's and 60's.  Relocation's always been a feature of the North American model (closed league/limited teams/shifting population centers) and it's not going to destroy a sport in and of itself.

The Kings arena is going to be funded with parking money, right?  Maybe there's a good argument why this particular case is different, but generally public funds are public funds.  Money's fungible and whether the state/municipality is raising it through taxes, transit fees, or gambling, you're still talking about a government-collected revenue stream that's being diverted to a private business.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 29, 2013, 10:43:06 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 29, 2013, 10:16:38 PM
Pistol Pete wasn't shooting no 45% from 3 on 300-plus attempts, i'll tell you that much for free

There was no 3pt shot in NBA until the 79-80 season, Pete's last season

I guess that helps Pete's legacy since he easily could have scored 3 pts more per game on the same attempts if his range was as good as it's reputed to be
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 29, 2013, 10:44:37 PM
OKC obviously has no problems selling out but what about TV ratings vs Seattle, locally and nationwide?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 29, 2013, 10:51:03 PM
Quote
“Whether it’s a free country or not, you should be free to act and do as you want to do, as long as it’s not violent. I came here in a Cookie Monster shirt because I wanted to,” World Peace told reporters at the Lakers' practice facility in El Segundo. “And I was going to wear the pants but I thought you [media] guys were going to judge me. And I was going to wear the hat, too, but I figured you guys would judge me.... I should have wore it. You should be free to do and act how you want to act.”
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-ln-metta-world-peace-cookie-monster-jason-collins-20130429,0,492529.story

(http://tinyurl.com/cjgdhcm)
"you're joking...but perhaps you're right"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 29, 2013, 10:57:17 PM
Confused.

So the city is giving away revenue from parking garages, parking meters, and tickets in the city while, at the same time, handing over a 2,700 parking garage to the Kings for free (revenue the city won't get from parking). Plus it's giving away land for the arena and additional land for six billboards.

If the city is giving away revenue and assets, this must be made up from another source--like taxes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Mandark on April 29, 2013, 10:57:33 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on April 29, 2013, 10:44:37 PM
OKC obviously has no problems selling out but what about TV ratings vs Seattle, locally and nationwide?

OKC's obviously going to be more of a national TV draw now than the Sonics were by the end, but a Durant/Westbrook contender was going to get ratings no matter where they played.  Plus OKC crowds were way bigger and more enthusiastic for the Hornets in the one transplant season and for the Thunder when they were losing than Seattle crowds had gotten, but again there's definitely a honeymoon effect.

I think a pretty significant factor in sending a team there was that OKC has no other major sports teams, like Utah/Sacramento/San Antonio.

Either way it's a real stretch to see how it's detrimental to the league's health.  We're not moving the Lakers to Fargo here.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 29, 2013, 11:00:40 PM
There are a lot of lakes to the east of Fargo. And Fargo is just a short distance away from a major world class city, Winnipeg!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: etiolate on April 29, 2013, 11:01:21 PM
Wish I could find more info on the arena deal for Sacramento. There was a link to the term sheet but now it's a dead link.

The cost is split:

Quote
Details are still a bit scarce, but reports indicate that the deal is for a $448 million arena with the city putting in $258 million and the private investors putting in $190 million.


Pre-development costs covered by investors.

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The investors will pay $6 million in pre-development costs. The Maloofs had never agreed to do that in 2012, apparently. The investors have included their willingness to do that in the term sheet, so we won't have to worry about that hiccup in May or June.

As for the parking revenue:

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The investors are making no claim on city parking revenues on game nights. The Maloofs did make such a claim, which basically negated the benefit of using city parking revenue to finance the arena and boost said parking revenue. The investors will only reap benefits from some existing parking under Downtown Plaza that will be preserved. That will 2,700 spots, 1,000 of which will be premium spots. Those spots will all still be city-owned, but the investors will be able to operate them for the length of the arena lease.

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In this term sheet, the investors are pledging up to $500 million in investment at the Plaza and nearby city properties. (I note that this is more pledge than guarantee -- there are a lot of "up to X square feet" references in this section. But given what Burkle did in Pittsburgh and the financial wherewithal and interest in investing here, it's better than the prospects were in the Railyards.)

So yeah it involves city help being repaid via parking revenue. It's not a tax burden like some Seattle people seem to think. It's also a 35 year lease, so there won't be a repeat of relocation talks in a handful of years. As a former Sacramento inhabitant, I can say it's important to have another attraction in downtown as the area is the most interesting part of the city and a way to make the city more attractive. People think Sacramento sucks because they have a half-assed idea. They either go the burbs where there's nothing but strip malls or live in the burbs and never leave.

I'd rather have ownership groups pay for their arenas, but Sacramento needed another big attraction in the downtown area as well. There were plans to do such for many years and the Kings/Arena situation got pulled into that deal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 29, 2013, 11:10:44 PM
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The investors are making no claim on city parking revenues on game nights.
Yet, they're indirectly, through a bond backed by city wide parking revenue, making a claim to parking revenues every night.

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The investors will only reap benefits from some existing parking under Downtown Plaza that will be preserved. That will 2,700 spots, 1,000 of which will be premium spots. Those spots will all still be city-owned, but the investors will be able to operate them for the length of the arena lease.
operate = collect money and stash it in their jeans.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: etiolate on April 29, 2013, 11:34:18 PM
I am not sure what you're on about. I said the arena plan won't be paid for through city taxes. It's not a tax burden. It could eventually fall on the city if the parking revenue does not repay the loan, but even that is unclear on whether that could impact the city's general funds. There will be a hotel tax as a source of extra padding for that 260 million.

I am not for public funding which seems to be the angle you're trying to put on me. I'm glad this is partially public funded only and I realize that there would have been public funding and government involvement to continue pushing the development of the downtown area without the arena existing. There had already been such dealings with the Taylor group.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Mandark on April 29, 2013, 11:40:43 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but basically the city is borrowing money to fund the arena, then raising the funds to pay off the debt by taxing parking and hotels, no?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 29, 2013, 11:43:36 PM
Back to curry for a minute

did you guys forgot that the dude had like three steals in the third quarter?

He can play D when he really dials in, but I think he's better as a fast break defender.  One-on-one, dem ankles will show up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Mandark on April 29, 2013, 11:44:34 PM
That one-man fast break where he stole the ball and then leaned in on a 3 was one of the greatest heat checks I've ever seen.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 29, 2013, 11:48:29 PM
Quote from: etiolate on April 29, 2013, 11:34:18 PM
I said the arena plan won't be paid for through city taxes. It's not a tax burden. It could eventually fall on the city if the parking revenue does not repay the loan, but even that is unclear on whether that could impact the city's general funds.

I fail to see the distinction between a city financing a stadium through $250 million in bonds backed by municipal parking assets and revenues (minus 2700 spaces) and a city financing a stadium through $250 million in tax revenue.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: etiolate on April 29, 2013, 11:51:26 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on April 29, 2013, 11:48:29 PM
Quote from: etiolate on April 29, 2013, 11:34:18 PM
I said the arena plan won't be paid for through city taxes. It's not a tax burden. It could eventually fall on the city if the parking revenue does not repay the loan, but even that is unclear on whether that could impact the city's general funds.

I fail to see the distinction between a city financing a stadium through $250 million in bonds backed by municipal parking assets and revenues (minus 2700 spaces) and a city financing a stadium through $250 million in tax revenue.

One of the bigger differences is that the part of the public that want the arena and arena events will be contributing to the payment of the arena instead of the entirety of the city/county paying taxes for it regardless of whether they have any interest in it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 30, 2013, 12:07:00 AM
Quote from: etiolate on April 29, 2013, 11:51:26 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on April 29, 2013, 11:48:29 PM
Quote from: etiolate on April 29, 2013, 11:34:18 PM
I said the arena plan won't be paid for through city taxes. It's not a tax burden. It could eventually fall on the city if the parking revenue does not repay the loan, but even that is unclear on whether that could impact the city's general funds.

I fail to see the distinction between a city financing a stadium through $250 million in bonds backed by municipal parking assets and revenues (minus 2700 spaces) and a city financing a stadium through $250 million in tax revenue.

One of the bigger differences is that the part of the public that want the arena and arena events will be contributing to the payment of the arena instead of the entirety of the city/county paying taxes for it regardless of whether they have any interest in it.
They won't be contributing much if they happen to park in the 2700 spaces the city is gifting.

The indifferent public who park on city streets or parking garages or pay parking tickets will also be contributing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2013, 12:21:53 AM
That was a nasty ass Durant dunk.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2013, 12:24:30 AM
wtf harden
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2013, 12:32:27 AM
Ibaka blows the layup. That Rockets offense in crunch time though was terrible.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 30, 2013, 12:55:40 AM
Harden throws all his efficiency out the window in the last 2 mins of a close game. Horrible hero ball there but par for the course for him this season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Mandark on April 30, 2013, 02:45:10 AM
http://eyeonsacramento.com/2013/03/an-eye-on-sacramento-report-on-the-arena-proposal/

Watchdog report on the proposed SAC arena deal, for whoever's interested.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: pilonv1 on April 30, 2013, 03:05:05 AM
congrats etiolate
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: etiolate on April 30, 2013, 04:03:27 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 30, 2013, 02:45:10 AM
http://eyeonsacramento.com/2013/03/an-eye-on-sacramento-report-on-the-arena-proposal/

Watchdog report on the proposed SAC arena deal, for whoever's interested.

thanks

It seems that report doesn't know about the general fund protection either. Somewhere, I think I found an update on that and the 600k figure in there. It may have just been more talk about the TOT hotel fund.

sacramentan stuff
They also see K street mall as the area to renovate and the public assistance programs there being a roadblock. I would rather they note wipe out the public assistance systems there, but I also understand that the Lightrail system has a stop there and it's sort of a damning image to get off the train to a collection of 'dirty poors'. I also wouldn't be surprised if the regrowth starts to succeed that it won't instead move towards the waterfront than continuing in the direction of K Street. The current location of the downtown plaza that is to be reformed into an arena is right between Old Sacramento and the Capitol Building, with the K street mall area connecting the space between the Capitol Building and the Plaza. So it's between the two biggest tourist attractions/traps in a city with not a lot of tourism. However, the riverfront area is directly north of Old Sacramento and doesn't have the 'dirty poors' issue.

The one thing I feel is left out is that they compare the cost of creating smaller urban renewal jobs and the permanent jobs formed from that to the jobs created via construction and the jobs associated with the arena. We don't know how many people the new ownership will employ and the staff size of the new arena compared to the old one. We also don't know that any businesses that prop up from any smaller urban renewal will last. Retaining tenants has been a problem in the downtown area, while a pro team on a 35 year lease is a more assured employment at a much higher cost of creation.

So the plan could be better. It is impacted by the rush to assemble it, but it was also done once before so it's not as rushed as it would seem according to the Seattle move timeline. It still could be improved upon and I am wondering if things like letting private companies work the parking garages will end up happening before the arena is built.

I don't see it as something done to force an arena deal past critical eyes. The Maloofs simply were out to kill the team in the city. They already had their rushed arena deal and backed out over unreasonable, last-minute demands. They had a tax funded arena deal shot down by their own public stand against it days before it went to vote. They kept asking the locals to build them an arena or they'd move, then kill the arena deal when it started to progress. 

Malek, yes people who use the general area will be paying towards the arena. Some visitors will be paying towards the arena via hotel taxes. So it's not related to use of the arena, but use of the area. It's also not falling on the locals in that way.  The aim is also for the general area to have growth. I still don't see your aim though and I don't think anyone cares.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: etiolate on April 30, 2013, 04:54:41 AM
In other news

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIUBNbwfmOA

Watching Hulu. This commercial comes on. CG asks me "is that the one that came out?"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2013, 12:18:14 PM
Two huge games tonight.


Also Classic onion from a few years ago.


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Charles Barkley: ‘There Were Only Ever 3 Straight NBA Players’
SPORTS NEWS IN BRIEF • Sports • NBA Basketball • Basketball • ISSUE 47•22 • May 31, 2011


CHICAGO — During Monday’s pregame broadcast, TNT basketball analyst and NBA Hall of Famer Charles Barkley confirmed that there have been only three straight players in the history of the league: himself and two of his former Phoenix Suns teammates. "So there was me, obviously, Kevin Johnson, and I'm pretty sure Dan Majerle was mostly straight," said Barkley, adding that Wilt Chamberlain had sex with at least twice as many men as women. "George Mikan, Michael Jordan, Jerry West, the entire Detroit Pistons roster under Chuck Daley, Chuck Daley, James Worthy, which is a no-brainer once you meet the guy, Derrick Coleman, and everyone else—all card-carrying friends of Dorothy. I’ll say this, if you want to see gay in all its glory, enter an NBA locker room. There is no more gay-friendly place on earth.” Barkley's controversial statement comes on the heels of another incident just two days earlier, when Kevin McHale, upon being asked about Joakim Noah's use of an antigay slur, responded by passionately kissing TNT commentator Kenny Smith until the channel broke to commercial.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/charles-barkley-there-were-only-ever-3-straight-nb,20615/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=standard-post:headline:default


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As-ITvXlTPI
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 30, 2013, 08:16:04 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/22170789/nuggets-warriors-is-stephen-curry-on-fire-or-just-aware
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 30, 2013, 08:17:09 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on April 30, 2013, 08:16:04 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/22170789/nuggets-warriors-is-stephen-curry-on-fire-or-just-aware

Did someone aware Steph Curry?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 30, 2013, 10:13:38 PM
What turned Jason Collins gay,


(http://theoriginalgreenwichdiva.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/jason-collins-and-carolyn-moos.jpg)

(http://www.everyjoe.com/wp-content/gallery/carolyn-moos/carolyn-moos-photos-2.jpg)

(http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/gallery/carolyn-moos-jason-collins/carolyn-moos-jason-collins-5.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 30, 2013, 10:39:56 PM
What..?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 30, 2013, 10:44:25 PM
everything just feels different now we have photographic evidence that gay men are capable of standing next to women, the moorings have shifted
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 30, 2013, 11:38:23 PM
I thought he was suggesting something else about her. Now I'm disappointed
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 30, 2013, 11:50:27 PM
He wasn't just standing next to her

That's his fiance

I wonder if Collins just woke up one day and thought man, that ass is way too smooth for me
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 30, 2013, 11:50:52 PM
more convincing than Dirk's former fiancee if so

Clips - Grizz feels like a game 7, ridiculously close so far. Every basket feels important. One very good team is gonna get kicked out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Smooth Groove on April 30, 2013, 11:53:37 PM
Now that Lakers are gone, Grizzles are my #1 hated team

Ugly ass style of play

Grizz also get away with lots of BS because they have a rep of being tough

OTOH, Clips get whistled almost every time for trying to be just as physical
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 30, 2013, 11:55:30 PM
well, uh, at the risk of getting too SERIOS for the Bore: their engagement and its breakdown kinda between them and it is somewhat harsh to point to this woman and imply some sort of failure on her part to be sufficiently awesome to keep a gay man acting straight, or some failure on his part to deny who he is. He did the right thing but it was obviously a painful thing all around and not something I feel like mocking
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 01, 2013, 12:00:35 AM
Should be an interesting 2nd half. I generally always root for the Grizzlies. I like a scrappy defensive post oriented team since its kinda rare.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 01, 2013, 12:02:36 AM
:stahp

My bad

She's a good looking, smart woman

It's obviously not her fault nor Collins' that it didn't work out
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 01, 2013, 12:03:22 AM
There are few things more entertaining than a grit-and-grind come-from-behind win, when everything is a crazy scramble for loose balls and fast breaks, huge offensive rebounds, killer 3s from random sources etc
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 01, 2013, 12:07:24 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 01, 2013, 12:00:35 AM
Should be an interesting 2nd half. I generally always root for the Grizzlies. I like a scrappy defensive post oriented team since its kinda rare.

I've no problem with that but the Grizz get away with stuff most other teams can't

The league has been open about not wanting 90 Knicks ball yet Grizz can still play that style and dish out cheap shots on most nights
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 01, 2013, 12:11:27 AM
i agree whole-heartedly with JVG that the double fouls on Blake and Zach are bullshit. Make a call either way. What is really frustrating is when there is obvious contact from one of them but the refs just ignore it until the other one retaliates. That just ramps up the aggro all around, and frustrates both when the double foul is called.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 01, 2013, 12:14:25 AM
MWP is tweeting up a storm tonight btw - i guess he is certain to be amnestied now so he may as well cut loose. Interesting that he called Duncan and Marc Gasol the best two big men in the league :lol

https://twitter.com/MettaWorldPeace
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 01, 2013, 12:31:11 AM
"Tony Allen might not be an all star , but he does things GM's cant see and does things All stars don't do. same with the starting 5."

Really, Artest?

Allen has pedestrian averages of 8PPG and 1.3 APG

I doubt he'd be getting that much money or minutes if GMs didn't notice what he was doing




On the subject of Artest, someone at the gym actually became buddies with Artest through beach volleyball

He said that Artest fessed up that most of the stuff he says or does is just for media drama

Dude's not anywhere close to being as crazy as he portrays

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 01, 2013, 12:44:54 AM
If Tony Allen could shoot straight, he'd be getting real paid for sure. He's so bad offensively they can only use him in spots, for like 20 mins a game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 01, 2013, 01:00:54 AM
lol at the allen putback that got stuck on the rim. Would only happen to him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 01, 2013, 01:02:34 AM
wow, never seen the ball just sit on the hoop like that before
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 01, 2013, 01:03:46 AM
The Grizzlies know who they are and who should be playing at this point; I still don't think the Clippers have any idea. Too much choice is clearly confusing for VDN
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 01, 2013, 01:07:43 AM
Z-bo going off
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 01, 2013, 01:08:36 AM
Odom seemed like the best matchup for Randolph even though he wasn't producing on offense
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 01, 2013, 01:16:36 AM
Grizzlies too much down low for the Clippers. That Gasol bucket may have been it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 01, 2013, 01:20:51 AM
Whatever, I guess playoffs are more fun with at least one team that you hate
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 01, 2013, 01:23:24 AM
Grizzlies versus Thunder would be a really fun contrasting style series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 01, 2013, 01:31:41 AM
in theory, Prince is the perfect defender for Durant (well, the younger version anyway).
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 01, 2013, 01:37:36 AM
Maybe Prince just need some of Duncan's "supplements" 

He did this two years ago,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzdcYY3dpi4
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Mandark on May 01, 2013, 01:38:39 AM
Young Prince vs. Durant would have been the awesomest, gangliest matchup ever.  Would have been like a daddy longlegs riding a bicycle.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 01, 2013, 01:42:21 AM
Especially cuz of Kobe's horrible FG% against Prince in the finals

It would have been real interesting to see how Kobe stans spin KD dominating that matchup
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: etiolate on May 01, 2013, 01:45:21 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 01, 2013, 12:14:25 AM
MWP is tweeting up a storm tonight btw - i guess he is certain to be amnestied now so he may as well cut loose. Interesting that he called Duncan and Marc Gasol the best two big men in the league :lol

https://twitter.com/MettaWorldPeace

Metta World Peace ‏@MettaWorldPeace 1h
Memphis Grizzles is like the Good Year blimp.They still here
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 01, 2013, 02:23:12 AM
Quote from: Mandark on May 01, 2013, 01:38:39 AM
Young Prince vs. Durant would have been the awesomest, gangliest matchup ever.  Would have been like a daddy longlegs riding a bicycle.

that sounds really difficult to draw. Apparently, the gold standard among cartoonists is a skeletal horse riding a bicycle down a spiral staircase
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 01, 2013, 11:37:19 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/56006/on-leroy-butlers-support-for-jason-collins
wow. :bow
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 01, 2013, 12:51:29 PM
The Griz are my West team this year.  I'd love a Grizzlies Heat finals :hyper
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on May 01, 2013, 03:32:35 PM
Hey look at that, the Maloofs don't want to sell to the Sacramento group. Shocking.

Quote
“There is no acceptable deal possible” with the Sacramento group, a Maloof family spokesperson told Reuters, “and no serious desire by the Sacramento group to arrive at one. It has become too onerous for us to continue spending time and resources on a process that cannot succeed.”

http://blog.seattlepi.com/sonics/2013/05/01/kings-fight-aint-over-maloofs-say-no-acceptable-deal-possible-with-sacramento/

I really hope this doesn't turn into the Seattle-OKC situation (ie. Hansen owns the Sacramento Kings, makes a lame ass attempt at building an arena down there and then moves them to Seattle in a year or two when it fails).
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: etiolate on May 01, 2013, 05:22:16 PM
Seattle Press lol

I'm pretty sure that statement from the Maloofs is from April 19th and reuters/Seattle is just reprinting it as if its new.

edit: yarp  https://twitter.com/TonyBizjak/status/325308478719655936
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 01, 2013, 09:56:15 PM
celtics  :gladbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Beezy on May 01, 2013, 10:37:18 PM
Felton and Shump play their best games so far and Melo and JR completely shit the bed on both offense and defense. I lost so much faith tonight. :fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Mandark on May 01, 2013, 11:19:07 PM
Indiana/Atlanta bidding to become the least dramatic 7-game series ever.  Home team's won by double digits every game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: etiolate on May 01, 2013, 11:42:15 PM
It feels like Atlanta has the least interesting playoff series every year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 02, 2013, 02:43:25 AM
Haven't wasted a second on Hawks-Pacers (or on Lakers-Spurs) :rejoice

This is why we watch the regular season, so we can avoid the obvious stinkers.

Caught some feels for Asik on the line tonight - he looks miserable at the best of times, and like the most miserable man on earth whenever he misses a catch when alone under the basket. But he manned up and got it done

:skip
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 02, 2013, 02:50:29 AM
wasn't he like 12/16 or 12/17?  dude stepped up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 02, 2013, 03:29:52 AM
i lost the tweet already but when Asik was shooting, the Rox averaged something like 1.3 points per possession, vs 0.5-something when the rest of the team was playing normally. So yeah, not a great adjustment there Brooks.

Brooks has been taken to school here - he had NOTHING in his back pocket for this eventuality. KD's usage rate must be nudging 90% at this point. They could still be doing Martin and Collison pick and rolls at least, but nooooooo. Hero Ball all day, even with Durant exhausted and out of ideas and the Rockets knowing exactly how to guard every possession. They're in real trouble here.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: pilonv1 on May 02, 2013, 05:19:38 AM
(http://i.minus.com/ib0Dpjh0C3rgFL.gif)

:interracial
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2013, 08:06:00 AM
(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/841/691/ThunderFall_original.gif?1367461962)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 02, 2013, 08:09:05 AM
(http://demipost.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/aviera.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2013, 10:33:02 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_f4i2YuwIM

https://vine.co/v/bQq7zdjqpBw
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 02, 2013, 10:54:33 AM
I bet Doc ate those guys alive back in the locker room
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 02, 2013, 11:08:25 AM
Read a bit of that Durant article in SI at work today. I'm going to laugh so hard if OKC loses this series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Owners' committee recommend Kings stay in Sacramento)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2013, 03:35:19 PM
Two possible close out games for the lower seeds tonight both at home.


I must admit I like how personal the Nuggets Warriors series has gotten.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/video_content_type/george-karl-calls-festus-ezeli-hole
http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2013/story/_/id/9235252/2013-nba-playoffs-denver-nuggets-broadcaster-scott-hastings-calls-mark-jackson-classless

(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2557379/fariedshove_medium.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Nuggets Warriors. This time it's personal)
Post by: etiolate on May 02, 2013, 05:22:13 PM
Bogut has been playing the tough guy out there. Not that I'm pro-fighting or anything, but I'd love to see Bogut and Javale McGee to go at it. I am hoping McGee mistakes a random white guy in the stands for Bogut.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Nuggets Warriors. This time it's personal)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2013, 10:42:05 PM
Are you kidding me. David Lee has been cleared to play tonight. That's some movie shit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 02, 2013, 10:45:57 PM
whuh??? Small-ball worked great for them in the wins with Barnes at the 4 but they got killed by McGee et all in the last one. If Lee is really good to go, he could be the difference. But seems wildly unlikely?

Nets - Bulls is a nail-biter (if you actually care about the outcome, which i don't)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 02, 2013, 10:54:02 PM
Meanwhile, Derrick Rose is gonna sit on the sidelines for a game 7 while apparently 'dominating' in practice? Really, Derrick? Something is rotten in Denmark, surely? This has to be a beef with the organization, right?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 02, 2013, 11:27:51 PM
Would you actually put him in, cormac?  I think he should focus on a full "mental" recovery, as much bullshit as that is.  Dude is the Bulls franchise for the next decade, this year shouldn't and DOESN'T matter for them.  They're gonna get beat by the Heat in 6 if they even get out of this series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 02, 2013, 11:44:05 PM
idk about 'next decade' - he signed a 5 yr extension and he probably has an opt-out somewhere in there too. The days of being able to rely on franchise guys for that long are gone.

The Westbrook and other injuries are a great example of why you should always put yourself in a position to win if you can. If Lebron goes down even for a few games, everyone else has a shot. They have nothing to gain by tanking at this point - they're in the playoffs. If they want to think about getting healthy - get Noah and Deng off the court immediately! They're obviously in worse shape than Rose is.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2013, 11:45:36 PM
Either he's ready to play or not. I haven't understand any of this to be honest. If he's not going to play then they should have shut him down for the playoffs. What magical moment are they waiting for him where it suddenly makes sense to play or not.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 02, 2013, 11:46:54 PM
of course, Rose has earned a ton of goodwill with everyone so I am inclined to believe him if he says he is not ready. But it is getting WEIRD.

Curry needs a few shots in this game, damn. Everytime i see him open I am screaming for the Warriors to pass to him
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 02, 2013, 11:49:05 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2013, 11:45:36 PM
Either he's ready to play or not. I haven't understand any of this to be honest. If he's not going to play then they should have shut him down for the playoffs. What magical moment are they waiting for him where it suddenly makes sense to play or not.

Well, opinions are divided. The team's doctors have cleared him to play, months ago. As far as the organization is concerned, he can play....but he disagrees. Because he is their franchise, they are giving him slack. If this was Royce White, he'd have been sent to the D-League or cut by now. So it seems to be some sort of game of chicken going on. The organization could save Rose some face by shutting him down, but they are putting the onus on him to say he won't. So I think there is some political bullshit going on that we just don't know about - maybe he's salty about Asik, Korver etc being sent away or them not signing LeBron or something
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2013, 11:53:25 PM
I like Derrick Rose but I think he has handled this situation awfully. He seems to want to come back at 100% being the exact same player he was before the injury without any sort of building back up to it. Well if that is the case then shut it down and wait for the pre-season. Or communicate what is going on.

It's not his obligation to do so of course especially if the franchise isn't putting pressure on him to do so but this whole thing is just weird.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 03, 2013, 12:02:40 AM
admittedly, these are ridiculous, arbitrary percentages but for the sake of argument:

let's assume he is at 90% of optimum right now

let's assume NO PLAYER in the playoffs is at 100% right now

let's assume that after playing hard for Thibs all of next season, he would be at about 90% again by the time the next playoffs started

So what does he gain by sitting out right now?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 03, 2013, 12:10:07 AM
Didn't Adrian Peterson come back faster than this, playing a tougher position, and nearly shatter the Holy Grail of football records? I like and respect Rose but he should probably be more honest about this. In general I agree with Brand Knew: he's the franchise, this is his career, and I wouldn't risk that just to get bounced by the Heat either. Nor would I be doing stuff like this though:
(http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/517683326bb3f7bc6400001c/derrick-rose-jump.gif)

It just looks bad, PR wise. I'm not gonna go all Skip Bayless and question his heart, everyone knows he's a competitor. But he could have handled this much better.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 03, 2013, 12:12:14 AM
STEPH :whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: Mandark on May 03, 2013, 12:18:14 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 03, 2013, 12:10:07 AM
Didn't Adrian Peterson come back faster than this, playing a tougher position, and nearly shatter the Holy Grail of football records?

This was actually brought up by a columnist, and a sports physician explained that vertical jumps put waaaaay more stress on the knee than running and lateral movement.  So while he does seem to be goldbricking, you can't hold him to the Peterson standard (which no human other than Peterson himself has met, AFAIK).

Also, giving him a pass on what he does based on what "everyone knows" is precisely the Skip Bayless MO.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 03, 2013, 12:18:45 AM
How scared are Denver of Steph now

So scared
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 03, 2013, 12:19:51 AM
Bogut beasting
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 03, 2013, 12:29:40 AM
Mark Jackson is hilarious on the mic, he could make a Christian of me
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2013, 12:32:28 AM
Nuggets have one quarter to try to figure this out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 03, 2013, 12:33:22 AM
Ain't happening
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 03, 2013, 12:35:00 AM
When Curry catches fire like that, the air just goes out of the Nuggets. They get this 'this is unfair' look
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 03, 2013, 12:44:10 AM
lol Draymond Green hitting threes, it's over
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 03, 2013, 12:47:55 AM
here's the crazy thing about Curry - he doesn't just extend the defense to the 3pt line, he forces it to extend to 28 FEET. The spacing it generates for everyone else is ridiculous, and even bad shooters can capitalize
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2013, 01:00:03 AM
I'm rooting for the nuggets just so we can have a 7 game series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 03, 2013, 01:01:59 AM
this game :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 03, 2013, 01:03:56 AM
bogut with 20 rebounds, nice.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 03, 2013, 01:08:38 AM
weird just to see Bogut still on the floor.

Still think the Nuggets have this but the D from the Nuggets has been excellent. Not sure where Ty Lawson disappeared to though
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 03, 2013, 01:10:04 AM
you mean the warriors

and wow, curry is sucking right now
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 03, 2013, 01:11:41 AM
fuck this hero ball going on

sloppy as fuck end of the game
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 03, 2013, 01:13:10 AM
jesus christ they need to be careful with the ball
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 03, 2013, 01:14:36 AM
that is some fucking embarrassing inbounding on display
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 03, 2013, 01:18:27 AM
turning into a crazy comedy of errors
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 03, 2013, 01:19:06 AM
welp that was a shitty end of the game
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2013, 01:19:29 AM
Good series. Enjoyed it
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 03, 2013, 01:27:35 AM
well, Pop and crew will likely take them to school but it will be a learning experience and probably a fun one to watch. Some interesting matchups there for sure, with Bogut and Duncan, Steph and Parker...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 03, 2013, 01:34:04 AM
last game's fourth quarter:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8535/8702635871_0a5824f8f2_o.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2013, 01:34:46 AM
Warriors haven't won in San Antonio since 1997.



Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: pilonv1 on May 03, 2013, 01:43:47 AM
 :rejoice :rejoice :rejoice

BASED DRAYMOND :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: etiolate on May 03, 2013, 02:01:40 AM
grats pilonv


Curious why Bogut wasn't the one throwing the ball in at the end. Seemed Warriors players couldn't see over the bigger Nuggets players to get the ball out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 03, 2013, 02:13:34 AM
Happy for Bogut

Dude has game and passion

It must have been hard for him to only play 44 combined games the last two years
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: pilonv1 on May 03, 2013, 02:17:33 AM
Quote from: etiolate on May 03, 2013, 02:01:40 AM
Curious why Bogut wasn't the one throwing the ball in at the end. Seemed Warriors players couldn't see over the bigger Nuggets players to get the ball out.

Probably in case he ended up with the ball since his FT% is around 53.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 03, 2013, 01:39:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d73pOPF-YfE
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors' David Lee in uniform)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2013, 04:21:17 PM
4 close out games tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Battle of La La Vazquez)
Post by: Beezy on May 03, 2013, 09:56:35 PM
 :stahp :stahp :stahp :stahp :stahp :stahp
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Battle of La La Vazquez)
Post by: etiolate on May 03, 2013, 10:13:23 PM
Rooting for Cisco in the Rockets series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Battle of La La Vazquez)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2013, 10:38:27 PM
Quote from: Beezy on May 03, 2013, 09:56:35 PM
:stahp :stahp :stahp :stahp :stahp :stahp

Yeah they almost gave it away there in the 4th but on to the second round.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Battle of La La Vazquez)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2013, 11:22:48 PM
Clippers starting to lose it big time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Battle of La La Vazquez)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 03, 2013, 11:24:23 PM
Well, that is surely - finally - the end of the KG/Pierce Era in Boston. Thanks for the memories :bow

On the plus side we totally destroyed everyone's confidence in JR Smith and Melo's willingness to play team ball
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Battle of La La Vazquez)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2013, 11:26:14 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on May 03, 2013, 11:24:23 PM
Well, that is surely - finally - the end of the KG/Pierce Era in Boston. Thanks for the memories :bow

On the plus side we totally destroyed everyone's confidence in JR Smith and Melo's willingness to play team ball

I've never really understood the Knicks desire to pair those two together. You are so flirting with danger every second. Which is the same problem they had together with the Nuggets.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2013, 12:12:31 AM
Zone defense giving Grizz problems at the moment.


edit: Then suddenly grizz hit 2 3's.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 04, 2013, 12:15:27 AM
Looks like OKC's got this on in-hand finally.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2013, 12:18:54 AM
I wonder if the clippers make a play for Phil Jackson?

Or maybe Phil is serious about this wanna be GM thing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2013, 12:23:05 AM
sigh. Joey Crawford fucking up the ending of a game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: pilonv1 on May 04, 2013, 12:34:46 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2013, 12:23:05 AM
sigh. Joey Crawford fucking up the ending of a game.

just another Friday then
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 04, 2013, 12:46:00 AM
Thunder/Grizzlies  :aah can't wait for that.  griz played so well against the clips, I'm interested to see how they play against a thunder team without one of their best players.  Griz/Spurs conference finals perhaps?

dat john hollinger
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 04, 2013, 12:46:31 AM
I don't "get" what Jackson is doing in Detroit. Advising..what? Why not go coach the Clippers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 04, 2013, 02:02:47 AM
(http://www.beyondthebuzzer.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/roseclub.jpg)
http://www.beyondthebuzzer.com/2013/05/03/derrick-rose-hit-the-clubs-after-game-6-loss/
...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Mandark on May 04, 2013, 02:20:10 AM
Remember when DRose got the MVP so voters could show their moral disapproval of LeBron?  lulz
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 04, 2013, 01:17:07 PM
"Being healthy, heath-wise," he said. "Where if I do take the whole year off, if I don't play anymore, I know I'm going to come back a better player but I guess my body would be healed more but who knows?"
~Derrick Rose (http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/9241769/derrick-rose-chicago-bulls-game-7-vs-brooklyn-nets)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2013, 10:14:09 PM
Thibodeaux such a good coach. No Rose, No Hinrich. No Deng.

No problem, still leading in the 4th.

Noah is playing like a Beast.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 04, 2013, 10:58:19 PM
Good thing Noah still has his muscle memory eh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 04, 2013, 10:58:58 PM
How much would Thibs be worth to the Lakers. About 15 mill a year?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 04, 2013, 11:01:10 PM
I'm not sure if Derrick Rose is legit still hurt... but I think at this point he could probably play, right?  And with the rest of his team as banged up as it is, his not playing kind of makes him look like a little bitch, right?  Or am I missing something here?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2013, 11:04:54 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 04, 2013, 11:01:10 PM
Or am I missing something here?

Nope. It's weird. He says he's not mentally ready but nobody will elaborate on what exactly that specifically entails.


Honestly I hope he doesn't come back against the Heat. If he doesn't I will just chalk it up to the idea that he probably shouldn't have played all season. Which I think most people would have been fine with going in. (Although why he's still activated I have no idea). If he does play against the Heat then I kinda lose a lot of respect for him. It's like I'm only willing to play if I can command the spotlight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 04, 2013, 11:06:23 PM
Is he signed long term with the Bulls?  Could this be part of some sort of contract ploy, or maybe if he is signed he's looking to get traded?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2013, 11:10:03 PM
It's really all speculation. Some people think he's mad that the Bulls didn't aggressively pick up any free agents so why should go out there not at 100% percent when the bulls front office isn't trying 100%. This speculation is fueled by some tweets his brother made but its still pure speculation. There is some truth to the idea that the bulls probably wrote this season off early from the management side but Thibs is such a good coach he's going to get the best out of whatever he has.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 04, 2013, 11:17:49 PM
Plus if he comes back he could destabilize the team's chemistry; they've gotten by with him all season/playoffs, it might take some time to get him back into to the speed of things.

Still when I look at banged up guys like Deng and Hinrich giving their all, trying to win...I can't help but lose respect for Rose. Even if I agree that him risking his career for one playoff series isn't worth it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Mandark on May 04, 2013, 11:24:24 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2013, 11:10:03 PM
There is some truth to the idea that the bulls probably wrote this season off early from the management side but Thibs is such a good coach he's going to get the best out of whatever he has.

I think this is the big factor.  Neither Bulls management or DRose would say this out loud, but they're not really competing for a championship this year.  It's just the team is overachieving enough that they made it to the second round.

Rose might be at the point where he could physically come back, but he's being super cautious, which isn't insane after a knee injury.  Gilbert Arenas went from being a top-10 offensive player to being out of the league by rushing back (I'm glad Simmons cited this, so it's not just homers like me making the comparison) and the Bulls care a lot more about the next 4-10 years for Rose than this year.  I don't have a big problem with his decision but if Dwight had done this?  Or LeBron immediately post-Decision?  Skip Bayless would have gone from six to midnight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2013, 11:29:47 PM
Here is my take. I think the whole problem has been one of communication rather than Derrick Rose being willfully disrespectful or anything. I feel like there are right words to be said to defuse this situation from both his side and the bulls side but nobody is saying them for whatever reason.

And note this all based on the idea that we take Rose on his word. And that Rose has a reputation as a good guy and fierce competitor and not a knucklehead or anything.

Rose is 24. He is recovering from a major injury. The truth is there have been players who have come back from injuries too soon only to really damage themselves. And people need to knock it off with this Adrian Peterson stuff. Everybody is different. Because one athlete recovered from injury in one manner does not mean another athlete will do the same. That being thrown out is getting tiresome.

I don't know what Rose is feeling with his body. He says its mental but maybe its something related physically that he's just not articulate enough to put into words that is stopping him from getting there mentally.

The reality is even with Rose the Bulls are extremely unlikely to beat the heat. So if he says he not ready then why toss him out there in this environment when he's the entire franchise. Just wait.

That's the devil's advocate approach although I think there is at least some truth there. Personally I would have just shut him down for the playoffs. I don't understand if there is some riff between the bulls and him on this issue or that they didn't understand that the general public would not understand why a player who is activated on the roster isn't playing.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 05, 2013, 12:12:40 AM
listening to the list of Bulls injuries / illness etc was fucking hilarious though, in light of Rose cheering them on from the bench

- Deng just had a SPINAL TAP and was just released from hospital - played up til game 6 I think
- Nate Robinson was throwing up on the bench in the last game and played the series of his life
- Kirk Hinrich tried to play tonight but doubled over in pain in practice
- Noah literally covers more distance every night than anyone else in the league and has been doing it on one foot

And that's just what I remember off the top of my head, there is a fair bit more

And Rose might disrupt chemistry, PD? They currently have bench players subbing in for bench players and playing 40-plus minutes. It's a joke to say that adding back the guy their whole team is built around could disrupt their chemistry any more than it is currently disrupted. Unless they all hate him now or something (and they're all being super-loyal in their public statements...)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 05, 2013, 12:19:24 AM
I am thinking Grizzlies-Heat for the finals now btw, although it's a long way off and the West is still pretty damn close. The game plan for beating the Thunder is pretty clear now - really, they weren't much better than the Rockets over the last 4 games. The Grizz should be able to handle them in 6 no matter how amazing KD is. Then it comes down to Spurs vs Grizz in the finals (GSW has no chance against the Spurs, since all their open looks will just dry up against Pop's schemes). I'm confident in Z-Bo's health again (or at least his production) and Gasol is starting to really assert himself on both ends the way he is capable of, so I think that might be enough to tip it. Although a Spurs win would hardly be shocking.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: naff on May 05, 2013, 01:40:54 AM
Watching the Bulls grind down the Nets today was beautiful, goddamn Noah

Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2013, 11:29:47 PM
Rose is 24. He is recovering from a major injury. The truth is there have been players who have come back from injuries too soon only to really damage themselves. And people need to knock it off with this Adrian Peterson stuff. Everybody is different. Because one athlete recovered from injury in one manner does not mean another athlete will do the same. That being thrown out is getting tiresome.

Real talk. I respect how quiet the management and Rose have been on his reasons for not returning, the fans and media are ridiculous why waste effort reasoning with them? It makes perfect sense he would have hangups about returning to a tough playoff series especially considering what happened last year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: pilonv1 on May 05, 2013, 03:01:04 AM
I'll never complain about someone not coming back too soon from a serious injury. Good on him for thinking of his career first
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 05, 2013, 12:54:32 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2013, 11:29:47 PM
The reality is even with Rose the Bulls are extremely unlikely to beat the heat. So if he says he not ready then why toss him out there in this environment when he's the entire franchise. Just wait.

Just imagine though if the Bulls are able to make it a series against the Heat. Wooo boy...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2013, 01:59:28 PM
I hate that Durant rip through move.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2013, 02:24:06 PM
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/9244143/brooklyn-nets-not-retain-coach-pj-carlesimo-day-playoff-ouster

Brutal
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 05, 2013, 02:39:09 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2013, 02:24:06 PM
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/9244143/brooklyn-nets-not-retain-coach-pj-carlesimo-day-playoff-ouster

Brutal

They're only one coach away from a championship.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 05, 2013, 02:59:52 PM
holy shit :lawd

that three
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2013, 03:41:10 PM
Grizz offense biting them in the ass down the stretch. That was an awful shot by Prince. And that last drive was poor also. Not sure why they didn't post up on either play.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2013, 03:43:07 PM
Grizz blew this game. That hurts big time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 05, 2013, 03:43:49 PM
fuck.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 05, 2013, 03:47:46 PM
a foul on the last three :lol

huuuuuuuge free throws coming up
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2013, 03:48:01 PM
Wow. Grizzlies. Blew that so many times.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 05, 2013, 03:58:02 PM
so it's official: lebron wins the MVP with 120 votes out of 121.  The one that wasn't for lebron?  It was for fucking Melo :lol

shit's ridiculous
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 05, 2013, 07:51:54 PM
Poor Kobe, people just won't stop taking advantage of the magnanimous mamba

:stahp

(http://imageshack.us/a/img824/8657/kobescum.jpg)


http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/kobe-bryant-battles-mom-nj-business-auction-19100734#.UYbvKbXvuCk

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 05, 2013, 08:21:47 PM
I like to whine about this, yes, because melo is no way in hell an MVP, with his constant fuckball.

Shaq should have been unanimous that year too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: pilonv1 on May 05, 2013, 08:25:16 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 05, 2013, 03:58:02 PM
so it's official: lebron wins the MVP with 120 votes out of 121.  The one that wasn't for lebron?  It was for fucking Melo :lol

shit's ridiculous

The best part is that Dan LeBatard is claiming the Melo vote. What a masterful troll
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 05, 2013, 08:36:28 PM
It's great for Lebron that he didn't win unanimously

He can continue to be hungry and strive to have an even better season than this year
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 05, 2013, 09:06:26 PM
Grizz were very unlucky not to get game 1 - they looked very very comfortable throughout and I think I saw Scott Brooks throw up in his mouth at several points. Either Durant moves up from 2nd Best, or the Grizz win this one. I'm increasingly intrigued about a Grizz-Heat finals 'cause if the Heat have any kind of a weakness, it's size and rebounding. I would still give the Heat the edge there though but it is more interesting than a repeat of last year's Finals at least
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 05, 2013, 09:13:50 PM
Kevin Martin has been overlooked a bit

If he can keep scoring like he did in Game 1, OKC should win this series
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 05, 2013, 09:22:08 PM
well, if they run plays for him that don't depend on KD. I'd like to see a lot of pick and rolls with him and Collison. And Martin is a one-way player who will get exploited on D so Brooks is still likely to play Thefolosha a ton (as with Perk). I disagree but that's what history say's he'll do

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 05, 2013, 09:29:33 PM
Next time someone tries to tell you that Melo is the best 'pure scorer' (or whatever verbal contortion they use), ask them when is the last time they remember LeBron or Durant going 10-29, or taking 29 shots and not scoring 40-plus. Melo's had 4 games in a row like this whereas LeBron/KD might not have a game like that in a whole season
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 06, 2013, 12:17:10 AM
For the first round, Melo had a 18.9 PER with a 38.5% usage

:yuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 06, 2013, 05:56:11 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--bulls--derrick-rose-needs-to-tell-truth-%E2%80%93-he-s-not-returning-for-this-season-s-playoffs-062255194.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 06, 2013, 09:51:33 PM
Ray Allen is East Coast Derek Fisher
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 06, 2013, 10:03:09 PM
 :gladbron :noah
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2013, 10:41:03 PM
Maybe Rose should stay injured. Clearly the team is in "win one for the Gipper" mode, and when you pair that emotional spirit with the benefit of veteran leadership on the bench (Ray Allen) you're left with the most potent mix in sports. It's like having two hearts pumping life into this team.
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 06, 2013, 10:47:59 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2013, 10:41:03 PM
Maybe Rose should stay injured. Clearly the team is in "win one for the Gipper" mode, and when you pair that emotional spirit with the benefit of veteran leadership on the bench (Ray Allen) you're left with the most potent mix in sports. It's like having two hearts pumping life into this team.
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But Allen isn't on the Bulls' bench
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2013, 10:50:53 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on May 06, 2013, 10:47:59 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2013, 10:41:03 PM
Maybe Rose should stay injured. Clearly the team is in "win one for the Gipper" mode, and when you pair that emotional spirit with the benefit of veteran leadership on the bench (Ray Allen) you're left with the most potent mix in sports. It's like having two hearts pumping life into this team.
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But Allen isn't on the Bulls' bench

My bad Stephen A. I meant Nazr Mohammed
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 06, 2013, 10:54:08 PM
Gotta give credit to the bulls. I also did not like Lebron's decision making down the stretch.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: etiolate on May 06, 2013, 11:15:47 PM
wtf does Curry drink at halftime
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 07, 2013, 12:26:21 AM
wow at this game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 07, 2013, 12:56:57 AM
What a crazy ass game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 07, 2013, 01:01:03 AM
Are you kidding me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 07, 2013, 01:05:56 AM
Golden state  :'(

This was their chance to shock the world and they couldn't do it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 07, 2013, 01:07:23 AM
how the fuck was manu left that open what the fuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 07, 2013, 01:21:14 AM
Amazing how both teams got sloppy with big leads and little time left

Makes for great drama though
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: etiolate on May 07, 2013, 01:27:18 AM
Felt like the Warriors could have gone to Bogut in the fourth and let Curry rest a little, but maybe Bogut still can't handle a lot of minutes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: pilonv1 on May 07, 2013, 02:00:59 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 07, 2013, 01:05:56 AM
Golden state  :'(

This was their chance to shock the world and they couldn't do it.

I could be mad but I'm happy they're actually in the playoffs so I'll let this one slide.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 07, 2013, 02:41:29 AM
holy fucking shit, what a game! No lead will feel safe for the rest of this series
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 07, 2013, 03:32:24 AM
I see Ethan Strauss dubbed Curry '3sus' during the 3rd quarter :lol

That really needs to stick, someone start making .gifs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 07, 2013, 10:04:19 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2013, 10:41:03 PM
Maybe Rose should stay injured. Clearly the team is in "win one for the Gipper" mode, and when you pair that emotional spirit with the benefit of veteran leadership on the bench (Ray Allen) you're left with the most potent mix in sports. It's like having two hearts pumping life into this team.
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If the Bulls win the series, Rose should get Lebron's MVP posthumously.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 07, 2013, 11:39:10 AM
Ray Allen plays for the other team? or is that part of the joke
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 07, 2013, 03:12:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le2D7dqeV5A
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 07, 2013, 04:04:29 PM
wasn't able to watch either games last night  :maf

Need to watch the recap of the warriors game good lord
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Beezy on May 07, 2013, 04:19:31 PM
I fell asleep at the start of the 4th for the Warriors game. My body still isn't used to working full time yet. :(

I really thought they had that game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: naff on May 07, 2013, 05:34:34 PM
I checked the scores at work and didn't even register that Bulls won that game, like my brain couldn't process that the current Bulls beat a healthy Heat. Wasn't til I got home and went to watch the Warriors game I did a double take that it was the Bulls not the Heat with 93 :lol God damn that Warriors game was great, a little heartbreaking though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 07, 2013, 06:19:09 PM
Quote from: quietID on May 07, 2013, 05:34:34 PM
a little heartbreaking though.

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392-0. The record, before last night, of #NBA playoff teams with a 16+ point lead at the 4 minute mark [via @EliasSports]

It was a historic collapse.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 07, 2013, 08:55:23 PM
The Warriors are always going to have these nutty peaks and valleys 'cause of their reliance on the 3. I wouldn't be too upset about the loss if I was a fan...most fans are still buzzing just from being in the playoffs, never mind beating the Nuggets and advancing. This is all gravy, good playoff reps against an elite team
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Steve Contra on May 07, 2013, 09:02:11 PM
Are you kidding me?  People here are fucking devastated.  I think my neighbor put his fist through the wall several times.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 07, 2013, 09:17:36 PM
well shit, it's not like someone bombed your marathon
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 08, 2013, 12:11:54 AM
http://espn.go.com/espn/e60/story/_/id/9248194/denver-nuggets-kenneth-faried-makes-mothers-proud

Nice story but I'm not sure it's good for the LGBT community

11th grade and the kid still wasn't sure where he wants to stick that bbc

:snoop

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2013, 12:16:48 AM
The problem with the Grizz is that if the game is close I trust Durant to make a better play than the Grizz defense. I don't trust the Grizz offense to be able to create a good shot in the same situation.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 08, 2013, 12:29:41 AM
Tony Allen is so horrible at offense
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2013, 12:37:06 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2013, 12:16:48 AM
The problem with the Grizz is that if the game is close I trust Durant to make a better play than the Grizz defense. I don't trust the Grizz offense to be able to create a good shot in the same situation.

And so quickly it looks like I was wrong tonight. Grizz got this one.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 08, 2013, 12:40:35 AM
Grizz ball is ugly as fuck

If you're not from Memphis, I don't know why you'd want to see them in the Finals
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2013, 01:01:51 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on May 08, 2013, 12:40:35 AM
Grizz ball is ugly as fuck

If you're not from Memphis, I don't know why you'd want to see them in the Finals

I like difference in sport rather than just always aesthetic beauty. I like post play which is a lost art in the NBA. And I like good defense. The Grizz certainly aren't a pretty team to watch. But as long as the rules are fair I like to see different and contrasting style to see which one wins.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: etiolate on May 08, 2013, 01:02:49 AM
I don't mind the Grizz. Their half-court offense does go durpaderp at times, but they always show up and give a good game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 08, 2013, 01:14:27 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2013, 01:01:51 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on May 08, 2013, 12:40:35 AM
Grizz ball is ugly as fuck

If you're not from Memphis, I don't know why you'd want to see them in the Finals

I like difference in sport rather than just always aesthetic beauty. I like post play which is a lost art in the NBA. And I like good defense. The Grizz certainly aren't a pretty team to watch. But as long as the rules are fair I like to see different and contrasting style to see which one wins.

Me too but neither Randolph nor Gasol has great post game techniques.  Their paint pts are due more to banging than to great footwork or soft touch. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2013, 01:16:55 AM
Gasol's post game is ugly but I think Randolph's post and jump shot game is fine.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 08, 2013, 01:20:37 AM
Randolph used to have some moves pre-injury but now 90% of his pts come from push offs or jumping into a defender
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 08, 2013, 03:49:46 AM
Gasol has one of the featheriest, highest-arcing jump shots of any big man ever? He just doesn't shoot it enough.

Nice win tonight despite another great game from 2nd Best, still feeling very confident the Grizz will advance
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 08, 2013, 11:28:04 AM
:lol "2nd Best"

that shit should stick
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2013, 02:10:53 PM
(http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/article/media_slots/photos/000/851/420/NATERSGONNANATE_Flickr-PhotoSharing_20130507-154642_crop_exact.png?w=650&h=433&q=85)


Nate Robinson playoff PER this year. 20.72
Dwyane Wade  playoff PER this year.  17.93
Chris Bosh playoff PER this year. 16.08

Admittedly a low sample but still.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2013, 07:28:31 PM
Lebron looks more locked in and aggressive early.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 08, 2013, 07:56:24 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/derrick-rose-chicago-bulls-bashers-must-question-coach-staff-doctors-jason-whitlock-analysis-050813
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2013, 08:24:52 PM
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Or maybe the Bulls are exploited union workers tolling for a group of greedy idiots who don’t know how to properly manage talent. Maybe the Bulls are injury-riddled because Thibodeau pushes them too hard, makes his available players play too many minutes in pursuit of cementing his “legend” as the coach who gets the most out of the least.
(http://www.the-coli.com/mysmiliesvb/mysmilie_3052.gif)

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 08, 2013, 08:41:28 PM
 :lol

Also, ROUT
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 08, 2013, 08:58:49 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on May 08, 2013, 07:56:24 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/derrick-rose-chicago-bulls-bashers-must-question-coach-staff-doctors-jason-whitlock-analysis-050813

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Should Rose trust the Bulls the way Tim Duncan trusts the Spurs? Hell no.
Gregg Popovich and the Spurs have gone above and beyond trying to protect and pamper their superstar players. Popovich gives the finger to the NBA’s 82-game schedule and regularly sits his stars and carefully monitors their minutes.

Duncan age 22: 39.3 MPG
Rose age 22: 37.4 MPG

Duncan age 23: 38.9 MPG
Rose age 23: 35.3 MPG

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 08, 2013, 09:05:12 PM
Bulls  (http://i.imgur.com/HDOGbyK.png)

Quote from: Flannel Boy on May 08, 2013, 08:58:49 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on May 08, 2013, 07:56:24 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/derrick-rose-chicago-bulls-bashers-must-question-coach-staff-doctors-jason-whitlock-analysis-050813

Quote
Should Rose trust the Bulls the way Tim Duncan trusts the Spurs? Hell no.
Gregg Popovich and the Spurs have gone above and beyond trying to protect and pamper their superstar players. Popovich gives the finger to the NBA’s 82-game schedule and regularly sits his stars and carefully monitors their minutes.

Duncan age 22: 39.3 MPG
Rose age 22: 37.4 MPG

Duncan age 23: 38.9 MPG
Rose age 23: 35.3 MPG

Sports Journalism (http://i.imgur.com/HDOGbyK.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: pilonv1 on May 08, 2013, 09:20:38 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 08, 2013, 08:41:28 PM
:lol

Also, ROUT

This topic got dated quickly
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 08, 2013, 10:12:45 PM
Beaten by 37 points. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2013, 10:47:19 PM
Warriors crushing Spurs at Half.


Will they collapse?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2013, 11:00:46 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 08, 2013, 10:12:45 PM
Beaten by 37 points. :lol

David Stern called the refs last night

:etoilet
:smoothgroove
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 08, 2013, 11:44:04 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2013, 11:00:46 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 08, 2013, 10:12:45 PM
Beaten by 37 points. :lol

David Stern called the refs last night

:etoilet
:smoothgroove

more like :awesom-o

fool thinks Heat have never won 1 legit game
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 09, 2013, 12:04:18 AM
yay warriors!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: etiolate on May 09, 2013, 12:10:28 AM
Warriors hold on to this one. I get a feeling the Spurs might get blown out in Oakland. They need to do something different.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2013, 12:10:44 AM
Damn Warriors look for real.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: pilonv1 on May 09, 2013, 12:16:29 AM
KLAY THOMPSON YO
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 09, 2013, 12:24:16 AM
8/9 3-pointers for thompson

 :whoo

This series is awesome.  Never would have thought it would be this exciting.  Warriors getting hot!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: pilonv1 on May 09, 2013, 12:28:03 AM
Also 14 rebounds :smug

and that's not even mentioning his defense
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 09, 2013, 12:37:28 AM
george karl  :heart

such an awesome coach and lovable dude.  shame he can't seem to get out of that first round.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 09, 2013, 12:52:57 AM
well then!

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/angry-heat-fan-flips-off-joakim-noah-ejection-023015193.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2013, 11:37:30 PM
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MIAMI—After receiving 120 of 121 first-place votes from NBA media members, Miami Heat star LeBron James admitted to reporters Thursday that he can’t enjoy his fourth league Most Valuable Player award with the knowledge that Boston Globe writer Gary Washburn didn’t cast his ballot for him. “Sure, it’s nice to be in the same company as other four-time MVP winners Bill Russell, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Wilt Chamberlain, and Michael Jordan, but knowing Gary Washburn didn’t think I deserved this makes it just seem worthless,” said James, stressing that Washburn, who voted for New York Knicks small forward Carmelo Anthony, is the only journalist whose opinion truly matters within NBA circles. “Yeah, I led my team to a league-best 66-16 record, a 27-game win streak, and averaged over 26 points and 7 assists per game, but honestly, who cares? We all know Gary’s vote is what counts, so I just can’t help but think Carmelo deserves this honor more than I do.” In light of Washburn’s vote, Heat president Pat Riley is reportedly strongly considering trading James after this season.


http://www.theonion.com/articles/lebron-james-unable-to-enjoy-mvp-knowing-boston-gl,32368/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=standard-post:headline:default
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2013, 10:53:39 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exkv93vrLd4
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: etiolate on May 10, 2013, 07:28:39 PM
I hope Seattle gets an expansion team, but I can't say I don't enjoy their entitled little princess attitude getting kicked in the face.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 10, 2013, 08:51:01 PM
this game is so fucking awful

bulls are a bunch of bitches
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2013, 08:59:42 PM
Miami getting absolutely nothing inside again tonight. Not a good sign.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2013, 09:58:30 PM
Chalmers defense has sucked.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 10, 2013, 10:03:21 PM
lebron is playing fuckball
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 10, 2013, 10:07:10 PM
(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/857/089/NOahtrollling_original.gif?1368237537)

:rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2013, 10:08:28 PM
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Following the Bulls upset of the Heat in Game 1 of the Eastern Conference semifinals, Chicago center Joakim Noah boldly guaranteed Monday that he will annoy the living fuck out of Miami in this series. “Mark my words, no one on the Heat can stop me from getting in their faces and irritating them every fucking second,” said Noah, looking straight into one of the cameras and emphatically promising to single-handedly start shit with “every one of those assholes on the Heat.” “I guarantee that I’ll trash-talk after making easy layups, scream after every rebound, and howl like a fucking lunatic while driving to the hoop.” Noah, who was asked whether his words might motivate the Heat, said that the media overhyping player predictions was pretty fucking annoying, which proved that he was off to a good start.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/joakim-noah-guarantees-hell-annoy-living-fuck-out,32359/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2013, 10:14:19 PM
Miami looks like dogshit tonight. So does lebron.

 :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 10, 2013, 10:18:10 PM
yeah lebron has played bad.  but cole and bosh are killin it
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2013, 10:28:05 PM
It's just so weird how Nate Robinson has suddenly become a bad matchup for everybody. Miami can't seem to handle him. He either creates a good shot for himself or somebody else.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 10, 2013, 10:33:39 PM
he's too quick.  he doesn't shoot well most of the time, but when he gets off those screens by noah, he can jet to the basket or just take those jumpers every possesion.  eventually he'll hit them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2013, 10:34:55 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 10, 2013, 10:33:39 PM
he's too quick.  he doesn't shoot well most of the time, but when he gets off those screens by noah, he can jet to the basket or just take those jumpers every possesion.  eventually he'll hit them.

What bothers me isn't necessarily him scoring which he can do but how he creates open looks for others and then dishes. He should have more assists tonight. The Bulls have just missed some open shots. If the Bulls lose this one they will kick themselves. This is one they could have stolen.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2013, 10:40:34 PM
Thank God for Cole and Bosh tonight on offense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 10, 2013, 10:43:12 PM
cole playing better than chalmers for two games in a row
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2013, 10:46:06 PM
Heat got this now on a night when it looked like they didn't have it together. Nice win in that sense.

Nate Robinson has impressed the shit out of me. This is essentially Linsanity 2.0 but doing it in the playoffs when the games actually matter and the defense is much tougher.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2013, 10:50:23 PM
Looking at Derrick Rose on the bench whether its fair or not, all I can think is that if he had played they could have won this game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chicago Bulls=The Miami Heat killers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2013, 10:54:54 PM
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/0211/nba_e_warriors_gb1_400.jpg)


Hey what happened to these ugly ass things. When do they wear them?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 10, 2013, 11:01:35 PM
 :aah

steph curry is my MVP so far in the playoffs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2013, 11:38:46 PM
Tony Parker going off.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 11, 2013, 07:27:33 PM
Memphis bogging down okc.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 11, 2013, 10:29:36 PM
Pacers putting down the Smackdown on the Knicks. I was rooting for the Knicks here because I'd rather the Heat play them.  :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 11, 2013, 10:31:12 PM
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The group trying to move the Sacramento Kings to Seattle is continuing to be relentless in its pursuit.

And the NBA could be listening.

Chris Hansen and Steve Ballmer, the deep-pocketed Seattle-based investors trying to acquire the team, have struck a new deal with the Kings' current owners, the Maloofs, that may create more drama in Sacramento and the league office.

Two sources told ESPN.com the Maloofs have informed their fellow owners that if their deal to sell and relocate the Kings to Seattle is not approved by league owners next week, they will not sell the team to a Sacramento-based group that promises to keep the Kings in Sacramento.

Instead, the cash-strapped Maloofs have made a "backup" agreement with the Hansen-Ballmer group to sell it 20 percent of the team for $125 million to allow the Maloofs to continue to operate the franchise.

That new "backup" plan comes on the heels of Hansen's announcement on Friday that he had upped his offer to buy the Maloofs' 65 percent of the Kings to $409 million (from $358 million) for a total valuation of $625 million.

Sources said that new proposal also included a $115 million offer to owners as a relocation fee, which would amount to about $4 million per team. By comparison, in 2008 when the Oklahoma City Thunder moved from Seattle, they paid a $30 million total fee to the other owners.

To consider these incredible new figures, the NBA relocation committee is planning to re-evaluate the Hansen-Ballmer offer and has scheduled another meeting ahead of next Tuesday's full owners meeting in Dallas, sources said.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9265605/sources-maloof-family-cuts-new-deal-sacramento-kings
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 11, 2013, 11:27:54 PM
 :leon
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: etiolate on May 12, 2013, 12:25:54 AM
man the maloofs are fuckbags

I hope they realize that even selling 20% of the team requires approval by the NBA.

edit:just saw who wrote it, so I would take report with a grain of salt. Brian Windhorst has been unreliable.

tim montemayor confirming it in a way

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: etiolate on May 12, 2013, 05:11:24 PM
spurs flopping with no shame

Reminds me of the old Jazz. They used to spark their runs with flops and holds. They were great at feeding off negative energy. Spurs doing the same to the Dubs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 12, 2013, 05:17:28 PM
spurs clearly outplaying the warriors but these ball-chuckers will. not. be. contained!

love it. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Steve Contra on May 12, 2013, 05:19:44 PM
Man the Maloof's are cocksuckers.  I feel for you Etiolate.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: etiolate on May 12, 2013, 06:12:36 PM
 :lol Mike Tirico trying to explain the rules to Hubie Brown.

I like Hubie as a coach but he's been unable to keep up with the game for many years.

Jack is a love/hate player. He'll kill you then rescue you then kill you.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2013, 06:57:12 PM
Warriors got balls. Just won't go easily into the night.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: etiolate on May 12, 2013, 07:08:23 PM
They're both jump shooting teams, so it will be back and forth on who's hot. The Spurs have Duncan but Bogut can neutralize his post game pretty well.

The Spurs haven't found a way to exploit Curry on defense. Curious if they just give a guy like Green a chance to go at him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: etiolate on May 13, 2013, 03:00:26 AM
The Maloofs are sort of amazing. I've been dealing with them long enough to know that if this gets shot down yet again, they'll refuse to sell to the Sacramento Group and say they're keeping the team and committed to Sacramento and getting a new arena.

The fact that the Hansen/Ballmer group is willing to go the Bennet route now is amusing. They seem to be going the scorched earth route. The reasons being I imagine are that they don't feel expansion will come soon enough for their arena agreement to still exist. It's getting slimy and they're letting the Maloofs drag them down into their Maloofery.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 13, 2013, 07:44:49 PM
Wade has sucked this entire playoffs. I don't understand what is happening with him. Yeah I know its the knee. But he barely played over the last few weeks of the season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 13, 2013, 07:47:27 PM
I thought he did fine last game...he just didn't shoot that much.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 13, 2013, 07:48:33 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 13, 2013, 07:47:27 PM
I thought he did fine last game...he just didn't shoot that much.

I thought he barely shot and didn't do much else.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 13, 2013, 07:51:01 PM
And Lebron is getting too fucking cute for his own good with his passing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 13, 2013, 08:41:42 PM
nate robinson is 0/12

 :heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 13, 2013, 08:50:01 PM
this is the worst game I've watched all season
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 13, 2013, 09:59:57 PM
Perkins just attempted the worst flop ever.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 13, 2013, 10:11:05 PM
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INDIANAPOLIS -- Carmelo Anthony said Monday he will talk to Tyson Chandler privately about comments the New York Knicks center made a day earlier, insinuating that the team was playing selfishly on offense.

"I really don't want to go back and forth about that because I really don't know exactly what he was talking about. But if he feels that way, we're about to get together right now. We'll discuss that amongst ourselves and figure that out," Anthony said after practice.

Anthony said he hopes to "get (Chandler's) take, get his perspective on that comment and we'll handle that internally and figure it out amongst ourselves."

Chandler was critical of the Knicks' offense after they scored 71 points in a Game 3 loss to the Indiana Pacers on Saturday.

"I watched the tape myself and there's open looks," Chandler said Sunday. "We have to be willing passers. You have to sacrifice yourself sometimes for the betterment of the team, for the betterment of your teammates. So when you drive in the paint, you draw, you kick it. We need to do a better job of allowing the game to dictate who takes the shots and not the individuals.

"I'm not saying that anybody is doing it maliciously. I think it's moreso a situation, you want to take over the game or you want to make a big shot, where you have to just stick to the game plan. Good teams win basketball games. Unless you're a great, great, great individual, and we've only had a few of those come through."

Chandler did not call out any of his teammates by name. But Anthony and J.R. Smith are the players who most frequently operate in isolation to create their own shot.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/9270342/2013-nba-playoffs-anthony-chandler-discuss-center-take
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on May 13, 2013, 10:54:25 PM
Go Grizz!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 13, 2013, 11:34:33 PM
Man, OKC was kicking their ass so bad in the first half I turned off the game and just started fucking around on the computer. Now its tied at 72.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 13, 2013, 11:55:30 PM
another GREAT game in this series.  Go Griz!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 14, 2013, 12:06:59 AM
 :ohhh this series
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 14, 2013, 12:14:44 AM
THIS GAME
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2013, 12:17:53 AM
That Grizz defense. Although those two missed free throws from Gasol and Randolph hurt.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 14, 2013, 12:19:15 AM
THIS FUCKING GAME
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2013, 12:23:01 AM
Perkins actually does something useful.

 :mindblown
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2013, 12:35:44 AM
OKC's offense is pretty shit in this overtime. It's just Durant iso everytime. No misdirection or movement or anything.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2013, 12:41:08 AM
Crushing loss for the Thunder there. It's going to start increasing some of the doubts about Scott Brooks based on how this offense isn't very diversified.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: etiolate on May 14, 2013, 12:41:30 AM
That's Scott Brooks playcalling.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 14, 2013, 12:48:20 AM
Brooks isn't a good coach.  Hollins is a much better coach especialliy with the players he has.

So..Heat Griz yeah?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2013, 12:49:52 AM
The Grizz are starting to scare me. They would give Miami a lot of problems. I just didn't think they would make it earlier because of a bad matchup with the Thunder. With Westbrook gone now it seems like the path to the finals for them is relatively open and easy now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: etiolate on May 14, 2013, 12:52:21 AM
The Grizz have good perimeter defenders and bigs who can score, so, yeah, not the best matchup for Miami. They're a tough matchup for any of the teams remaining.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 14, 2013, 01:03:44 AM
Derek Fisher should start. The team needs a vet out there
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 14, 2013, 01:07:38 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 14, 2013, 01:03:44 AM
Derek Fisher should start. The team needs a vet out there

 :what

No., No no no no no.  Fisher is good for off the bench 3s.  thats about it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2013, 01:01:15 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 13, 2013, 09:59:57 PM
Perkins just attempted the worst flop ever.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/05/kendrick-perkins-commits-slowest-flop-of-all-time/

Actually isn't a flop. You can see Perkins lands on Gasol's foot and just lands awkwardly.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 14, 2013, 01:10:07 PM
eh...still looks badly acted to me
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 14, 2013, 01:25:16 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 14, 2013, 01:07:38 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 14, 2013, 01:03:44 AM
Derek Fisher should start. The team needs a vet out there

 :what

No., No no no no no.  Fisher is good for off the bench 3s.  thats about it.

This team needs heart though, and Fisher can provide it in the starting 5. I gotta say Durant looks scared out there, he looks like he's not even trying. Remember all that time he spent training with LeBron last off season? I knew that was a bad idea; maybe LeBron's casual half-try attitude rubbed off on Durant.

:skip
edit: fuck you mods, add Skip again
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2013, 02:37:34 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 14, 2013, 01:10:07 PM
eh...still looks badly acted to me

He's a big bulky relatively uncoordinated dude. It happens all the time. People are just hyper sensitive to flops myself included that we sometimes at first glance label things incorrectly.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 14, 2013, 02:38:46 PM
true.  but its Perkins so I'll stick to it!

Dude has a negative PER for the playoffs.  :holeup
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2013, 02:47:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE52UilVo4c
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2013, 09:16:26 PM
JR Smith 5-18. 1 of 7 from 3pt range.

 :snoop
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 14, 2013, 10:23:10 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 14, 2013, 01:25:16 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 14, 2013, 01:07:38 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 14, 2013, 01:03:44 AM
Derek Fisher should start. The team needs a vet out there

 :what

No., No no no no no.  Fisher is good for off the bench 3s.  thats about it.

This team needs heart though, and Fisher can provide it in the starting 5. I gotta say Durant looks scared out there, he looks like he's not even trying. Remember all that time he spent training with LeBron last off season? I knew that was a bad idea; maybe LeBron's casual half-try attitude rubbed off on Durant.

:skip
edit: fuck you mods, add Skip again


:sabu

Before Fisher hit his only shot of the game, I predicted to my friends that the announcers would gush over how clutch Fisher is if he hit a 3.

Lo and behold, not only did they immediately showered Fisher with praise, there was also a short clip to remind us of Fish' clutch ability.

Too bad for OKC that their coach is also a "watch the game" guy and seems to be a complete ignoramus with stats.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Beezy on May 14, 2013, 10:41:47 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2013, 09:16:26 PM
JR Smith 5-18. 1 of 7 from 3pt range.

 :snoop
We don't get to the ECF, that blame goes on him and Woodson. I don't wanna hear any Melo bashing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 14, 2013, 10:51:02 PM
Melo took 23 shots for 24 pts and had 1 assist

.408 FG% on 23 shots/game so far in the series and 6 assists total

How's he not to blame for the Knicks' predicament?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Beezy on May 14, 2013, 11:01:19 PM
Have you been watching this series?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 14, 2013, 11:07:06 PM
Yes but why does that matter?

41% on 23 shots/game means he should pass the damn ball a lot more

6 total assists means that he hasn't

You don't need to watch the game to know that's a player who's playing like shit
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2013, 11:14:53 PM
Carmelo is scoring alot but shooting pretty crappy fg% in the playoffs. If I was to blame Carmelo for anything it would be his desire to keep up the status quo of the offense along with Woodson. With Jr Smith and Carmelo Anthony shooting so many long jumpers as the meat of your offense you are bound to hit extremely cold stretches. This has been obvious since day one but the Knicks keep rolling out the same offense. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Beezy on May 14, 2013, 11:16:42 PM
Pass to who? Kidd's corpse? The artist formerly known as JR? Chandler? Martin? Cause that was an actual lineup Woodson used tonight. Best person there to pass it to would be Martin, which isn't saying much.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2013, 11:21:42 PM
Quote from: Beezy on May 14, 2013, 11:16:42 PM
Pass to who? Kidd's corpse? The artist formerly known as JR? Chandler? Martin? Cause that was an actual lineup Woodson used tonight. Best person there to pass it to would be Martin.

The problem is they are hamstrung by that Amare contract and the seeds were already sewn in the off-season when the dump Lin decision was made. Not because because Lin was the answer for the Knicks because he wouldn't have been, but because at that moment the decision was made to simply revert the offense to Carmelo. I think this season is about as far as you can go with just that philosophy. The Knicks as currently constructed have a lot of flaws. I don't even necessarily blame JR in the sense that he is who we thought he was. A streaky player who can get hot but who can also shoot you out of a game or series. JR shouldn't be the second option on offense for the Knicks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Beezy on May 14, 2013, 11:25:33 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2013, 11:21:42 PM
Quote from: Beezy on May 14, 2013, 11:16:42 PM
Pass to who? Kidd's corpse? The artist formerly known as JR? Chandler? Martin? Cause that was an actual lineup Woodson used tonight. Best person there to pass it to would be Martin.

The problem is they are hamstrung by that Amare contract and the seeds were already sewn in the off-season when the dump Lin decision was made. Not because because Lin was the answer for the Knicks because he wouldn't have been, but because at that moment the decision was made to simply revert the offense to Carmelo. I think this season is about as far as you can go with just that philosophy. The Knicks as currently constructed have a lot of flaws. I don't even necessarily blame JR in the sense that he is who we thought he was. A streaky player who can get hot but who can also shoot you out of a game or series. JR shouldn't be the second option on offense for the Knicks.
Can't argue with that.

Still, Woodson is the main problem in this series. Despite whatever problems we have, we should never be down 3-1 to the Pacers of all teams.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2013, 11:32:38 PM
I think the Pacers are kind of made for Playoff ball. They are ugly as hell. But the game slows down anyway in the playoffs and they play great defense. They are like a poor poor man's grizzlies. And I think the Knicks require everybody to be kind of clicking to really work as a playoff team. They don't have a wide margin to just absorb off shooting nights because they don't get a lot of inside points or high percentage shots. But yeah Woodson hasn't had a stellar playoffs himself.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2013, 11:35:49 PM
Looks like the Warriors are finally running out of gas. Still a heck of a year for them and much better than nearly anybody expected.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 15, 2013, 12:54:14 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2013, 11:32:38 PM
I think the Pacers are kind of made for Playoff ball. They are ugly as hell. But the game slows down anyway in the playoffs and they play great defense. They are like a poor poor man's grizzlies. And I think the Knicks require everybody to be kind of clicking to really work as a playoff team. They don't have a wide margin to just absorb off shooting nights because they don't get a lot of inside points or high percentage shots. But yeah Woodson hasn't had a stellar playoffs himself.

"purists" love harping about gritty teams like the Grizz, Bulls and Pacers but seriously how the hell are those teams good for basketball?

Grizz vs Bulls/Pacers would have disastrous ratings for the NBA 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: etiolate on May 15, 2013, 04:14:36 AM
Montemayor saying some interesting things in regards to Kings/Sonics:

http://www.sportsradiokjr.com/pages/softy_page.html?article=11287969

If true then Seattle got maloofed

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Tim Montemayor ‏@TheMontyShow 1h

H&B news: This conversation started yesterday and continued in to this evening after a contact asked me about expansion in #Seattle ... As I have prev. reported, I was again told H&B have been aware of 2014-15 season but have not been willing to engage in that condo while. The #NBAKings were still "in play" …they have been aware of expansion for two months, in that time they have fought hard "to keep Sac alive" However the tone and subject of NBA conversations changed this week after H&B where plainly told their relationship with the #Maloofs had damaged any good will they had built up with other owners in the league who have made it clear to H&B that the #Maloofs are not good partners for them and the "side deal" hurt them.

H&B were told Monday that their chances of any #NBA ownership was fading fast because they continue to be aggressive and take steps that go directly against #NBA protocol in this situation late Monday H&B began a conversation that was "concessionary" in nature and have "seemingly woken up to the reality of the situation" that the #Maloofs have made them look "Foolish" and it appears the #Maloofs "are directing the H&B groups direction they were told in no uncertain terms that it was now or nvr It was conveyed to me that H&B have told the #Maloofs that they needed to take a few days to reconsider their position ahead of Wednesday and that discussions surrounding expansion have now become a two way communication with H&B shifting their tone to returning the #NBA to #Seattle by any available means.

The #Maloofs responded by reaching out to media member who they had previously ignored losing the chance to own an #NBA team,

they were told expansion is a real option, they were told the #Maloofs appear to be manipulating them H&B were told that the #NBA was "shocked" at how the situation played out and disappointed that it appear H&B were "tone deaf to the reality of the situation" "how could they not know money was not the leading factor or consideration in any committee vote?"

The #Maloofs made such a poor showing at the NY presentation that the #Seattle H&B group were warned in committee and in private that continuing relationship with "that family" would substantially damage their efforts. They did not heed that warning until this week. my sources tell me the #NBA has been talking about how to "shake Chris Hanson out of this trance" for a month and that the Monday conference call focused heavily on how to salvage H&B as an ownership group. While I do not know who did what specifically it was made clear to me several #NBA owners and executives put a lot of effort in to opening a new dialogue with Hansen and it worked. A couple of other notes: Any one saying Hansen would own the #NBAKings in Sac and build an arena there is "in outer space" H&B is solely focused on returning the #NBA to #Seattle. Also the #Maloofs were so bad around the NY presentations that it not only made the vote a formality but served 2 enhance what KJ presented I was told then and now that #Seattle was almost dead on arrival in NYC b/c of the #Maloofs

I do not know what the next vote will bring as my sources say there is a lot of conversations to be had before any vote or decision but it is likely the next vote will bring some clarity and a path forward. That's all I have on the situation the #NBA is working hard to cap source leaks and my sources have said they need to be very careful the #NBA has said any leak of information will be met harshly. For everyone saying I am a #NBAKings fan or apologist: everyone I know in Sac knows I am not a fan, I covered the team for a few yrs I only report what I am told, I am not paid to source or break news. My sources have been rock solid and accurate and I stand by my reporting 100%
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2013, 10:14:49 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKMngeJCYAAybu6.jpg:large)


All Phil Jackson's rings.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2013, 06:23:02 PM
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NBA owners have spoken: They, too, want the Kings playing in Sacramento.

A full meeting of the league's 30 teams met here Wednesday for nearly four hours and, according to sources with knowledge of the vote, ultimately backed last month's recommendation from a relocation committee that advocated to reject the Kings' proposed sale to a Seattle group headlined by lead investor Chris Hansen and keep the team in Sacramento.

Hansen's group raised the overall valuation of its offer to buy the Kings to a league-record $625 million last week, but sources told ESPN.com that the owners gathered at this specially convened board of governors meeting at the Hilton Anatole have voted to reject the sale and proposed relocation of the Kings to Seattle.

The nearly 30-month saga surrounding the Kings' future, however, is not finished, because the league cannot force the Maloof family, which owns the Kings, to sell the team to the consortium assembled by Sacramento mayor Kevin Johnson to make sure the franchise stays in the California capitol. The Maloofs, by all accounts, do not want to sell the team to the group led by Silicon Valley billionaire Vivek Ranadive, who has worked closely with NBA commissioner David Stern during the past few months in Sacramento's scramble to try to prevent the Kings from leaving town.

In a last-ditch bid to try to trump the relocation committee's unanimous recommendation to block the Seattle sale, Hansen last week increased the value of his offer for 65 percent of the Kings from $358 million to a record $409 million, pushing the overall valuation of the proposed transaction to $625 million. Hansen also offered a relocation fee payout of $4 million per team -- for a total of about $116 million -- to try to sway owners to bypass the relocation committee's recommendation.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9279593/sources-nba-owners-back-recommendation-keep-kings-sacramento
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Steve Contra on May 15, 2013, 06:54:42 PM
It should get interesting now.  I'm not sure Sacramento wants a Maloof owned team any longer, but it looks likes that's what they're going to get for a few more years until relocation talk comes up again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 15, 2013, 06:55:14 PM
Does anyone want a Maloof owned team?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Steve Contra on May 15, 2013, 07:01:41 PM
Good point.  I think the Maloof's plan is to make the team so toxic in Sacramanto that they'll be forced to relocate.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: etiolate on May 15, 2013, 08:06:57 PM
The Maloofs may not be able to afford to keep the team.

Stern said today that he'd be talking to the Maloofs to try and quickly work out a finalized deal between them and Renadive in the next 24-48 hours. I guess the Maloofs could just keep refusing to sell to any Sacramento owner, but they aren't exactly secure financially and rumor is they want into the NHL. I don't know how they think any other league would want them at this point, but they are the Maloofs so stupid crazy ideas are their family crest.

They also finally started talking to the Sacramento press a night ago once they realized this relocation was getting officially rejected. Renadive and KJ said that despite reports they've ben tlaking to the Maloofs so *shrug*.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2013, 08:56:19 PM
Miami as usual half assing it tonight in the playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2013, 09:00:25 PM
I knew Ray Allen wasn't a good defender for the Celtics but I didn't realize how truly wretched he was at this stage in his career until I got to watch him on a regular basis with the Heat.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 15, 2013, 09:09:18 PM
But Ray Allen is a clutch shooter!

:skipbayless
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2013, 09:30:36 PM
Miami turning it up a gear and hopefully gonna close this thing out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 15, 2013, 09:32:42 PM
aw yiss miami
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2013, 09:43:43 PM
Not a pretty series win but its a win. On to the Pacers which should be a pretty decent challenge.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2013, 11:12:56 PM
While Westbrook is probably highly upset about how this season turned out a small part of me would be happy that he has essentially become critic proof on his offensive output now with the Thunder. That argument is now forever dead.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 15, 2013, 11:32:59 PM
Quote
Kendrick Perkins has more fouls (38) in the playoffs than points, assists, and blocks combined (36).

 :noah
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 16, 2013, 12:15:28 AM
thus ends the tale of Kevin Durant
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 16, 2013, 12:31:58 AM
game's not over :o
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 16, 2013, 12:32:55 AM
nevermind game is over
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 16, 2013, 12:34:05 AM
Unfortunate Durant had his worst game in a long time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 16, 2013, 12:34:34 AM
not like this KD  :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 16, 2013, 12:35:48 AM
Tayshaun Prince proving that veteran leadership and championship experience is an intangible.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to have surgery. Torn lateral meniscus)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 16, 2013, 12:57:26 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2013, 03:23:36 PM
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 16, 2013, 12:07:23 PM
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(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2633187/grizzpride_medium.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Steve Contra on May 16, 2013, 12:12:01 PM
Durant needs to work on that #2 thing a little better
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 16, 2013, 12:17:36 PM
Am I tripping or can the Grizzles beat the Heat? I know they have to deal with the Spurs first which will be tough, but if they get to the finals it could be interesting. They seem like a good match up especially in the front court.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 16, 2013, 12:17:45 PM
TEAM PAYROLLS

2012/13   

1. LA Lakers   $100,131,988
2. Brooklyn   $87,644,649   
3. Orlando   $87,365,418
4. Miami           $83,777,933
5. Philadelphia   $81,901,193
6. New York   $79,977,119   



22. Indiana   $66,107,195   
25  Memphis   $63,054,115


Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 16, 2013, 12:22:15 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 16, 2013, 12:17:36 PM
Am I tripping or can the Grizzles beat the Heat? I know they have to deal with the Spurs first which will be tough, but if they get to the finals it could be interesting. They seem like a good match up especially in the front court.

The conventional wisdom is that Miami matches up worse against the Grizz than other teams. Big Bodies which Miami doesn't have a lot of. A team that slows the game down. Good defenders in Tony Allen and Prince and the big bodies to clog the inside. From a Miami fan aspect I'm rooting for the Spurs to win the series even though as a basketball fan, I would prefer the Grizz to win.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 16, 2013, 12:31:58 PM
Yeah Griz/Heat is what I'm hoping for.  Interesting contrast of styles.

However IIRC each time they've played each other the last few times the Heat have buried them.

edit: nope completely wrong :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 16, 2013, 12:54:06 PM
Pacers v Grizz would be hilarious, especially for Stern.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 16, 2013, 02:04:14 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 16, 2013, 12:54:06 PM
Pacers v Grizz would be hilarious, especially for Stern.

That's my desired outcome.  Really, Pacers vs. either the Spurs/Griz would piss Stern off.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 16, 2013, 02:06:29 PM
:rejoice Thug Ball Finals :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 16, 2013, 06:49:53 PM
(http://distilleryimage4.ak.instagram.com/49884ed4be3b11e29d0322000a1f97e3_7.jpg)

(http://distilleryimage1.ak.instagram.com/6bfae44abe3b11e29cb522000a1f9215_7.jpg)

black excellence  :whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 16, 2013, 07:15:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mpF8ske1Eo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 16, 2013, 07:18:39 PM
I can't cosign the low cut pants but everything else is dope to me

Wade coming for Tubbs' spot :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 17, 2013, 12:55:08 AM
Warriors trying to make their final stand to stay in the playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 17, 2013, 01:08:21 AM
It's over. Good season and the Warriors can be proud of it.

Now on to the main course of Spurs versus Grizzlies.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 17, 2013, 02:12:38 AM
Remember how before the season started everyone was sure it would be Lakers vs Thunder in the West finals?  Good times, good times.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: etiolate on May 17, 2013, 02:48:06 AM
(http://cdn1.sbnation.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/13223667/20130325_kkt_st3_048.0_standard_400.0.jpg)

New head honcho of the Kings.

Now to go fetch a bucket to collect all those Seattle tears on GAF.

Also, sad to see Warriors out of playoffs but they'll be back if Mark Jackson doesn't screw things up. Curious to see what happens with Jack. I know Warriors fans hate him, but he'll get a lot of offers.

I think out of the teams left, I root for the Grizz or Spurs. I like that the Grizz are a team of pieces that actually fit with a point guard that runs things and controls the flow. The Pacers are a team I'm kinda ambivalent about. The Heat bore me outside of fast breaks and fuck the Knicks.

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 17, 2013, 11:22:54 AM
I was just gonna say :lol

she's gorgeous

Props to the Warriors.  They were probably the team I was rooting for the most outside of the Heat.  Fucking love Curry.  Wonder if he'll be as hot next year from the arc?

Regardless, they'll be back in the running again next year.  Same seed or similar seed no doubt, but with a vengeance.

Also fuck the knicks
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Mandark on May 17, 2013, 11:29:22 AM
Would like to see that Warriors team with a fully healthy Bogut all year, but what are the odds?

Congrats to the people of Sacramento for keeping their team, and congrats to the league on being rid of the Maloofs.  Also, I guess congrats to all current NBA owners, whose teams are apparently worth way more now than they were just a few years ago, thanks to the boom, the new CBA, and a continuing willingness of cities to foot most of the bill.

I'm still mildly gobsmacked at the bidding war for the Kings (which not only involved a record valuation, but basically bribes to the owners in the form of giving up shared revenue/promising a higher relocation fee).  The amount of money that the new owners took the city for is depressing, but not nearly as surprising.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Steve Contra on May 17, 2013, 12:49:49 PM
What did the final deal look like?  I'm glad Sacramento got to keep the Kings.  It's a good fanbase and hopefully they can get shit going again.  Seattle will get their team one way or another.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Mandark on May 17, 2013, 01:27:26 PM
The deal was to buy about 2/3rds of the team's stock, based on an overall valuation of $635, which is highest ever in league history.  The Grizzlies sold last fall for $377 million, and Prokhorov paid ~$420 million for 80% of the Nets and half of the Brooklyn arena, once you factored in debt he was covering, and the Hornets went for about $330 million.

Also, the Sacramento group promised not to take revenue-sharing money from the league, which is a pretty big deal.  The city is paying a quarter of a billion dollars towards construction of the new arena, along with giving them billboard and parking rights.  The city claims the money will be paid back with extra revenues from having the new stadium, but after looking at a watchdog report on it, ehhhhhhhhhhhh.  In any case, huge gobs of money being thrown around.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Steve Contra on May 17, 2013, 01:29:09 PM
I'm shocked the city of Sacramento would do act with callous disregard for the city's finances.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 17, 2013, 03:59:29 PM
Quote
Mark Montieth
‏@MarkMontieth
Based on language in NBA concussion policy it seems virtually impossible George Hill will play again this season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 17, 2013, 04:49:52 PM
FUCK

Knicks Heat conference finals ugh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Steve Contra on May 17, 2013, 04:56:29 PM
Stern must be cumming buckets right now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: etiolate on May 17, 2013, 09:41:55 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 17, 2013, 01:27:26 PM
The deal was to buy about 2/3rds of the team's stock, based on an overall valuation of $635, which is highest ever in league history.  The Grizzlies sold last fall for $377 million, and Prokhorov paid ~$420 million for 80% of the Nets and half of the Brooklyn arena, once you factored in debt he was covering, and the Hornets went for about $330 million.

Also, the Sacramento group promised not to take revenue-sharing money from the league, which is a pretty big deal.  The city is paying a quarter of a billion dollars towards construction of the new arena, along with giving them billboard and parking rights.  The city claims the money will be paid back with extra revenues from having the new stadium, but after looking at a watchdog report on it, ehhhhhhhhhhhh.  In any case, huge gobs of money being thrown around.

Just to highlight how much The Maloofs made off of their own mess, they gained ownership of the Kings at a valuation of 156 million dollars back in 1999. After running the franchise into the ground, they turn it at a valuation of 535 million. This is based on a valuation of 525 million inflated by the idea that the team was movable and by HBN's deep pockets. Then they got another 10 million out of Renadive just to speed up the process and get rid of the Maloofs. Reportedly,after paying back all their loans, they will have made 200 million.

Whether the garage bond is a quagmire or not depends on how much the associated investors and developers actually build around the arena. It's not just making money off the arena, but the 'promises' of development around the area. Getting the NCAA tournament back and having a place for big touring artists will help some as well, but I think this is just pork to get investors into the downtown area. Such a practice is not new for Sac government.

I think the promise of no revenue sharing is something that's going to be standard now for any new owner. Both Seattle and Sacramento pledged this so I expect the BOG will want to hear it before approving anyone from now on.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 17, 2013, 10:04:52 PM
Anyone surprised, other than Awesome-O?

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9285372/phil-jackson-compares-michael-jordan-kobe-bryant-book
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 18, 2013, 11:01:37 AM
http://ballislife.com/skip-bayless-goes-off-on-durant-i-believe-i-overestimated-kevin-durant-over-the-last-7-years/

WHERE'S MY SKIP BAYLESS EMOTE, BORK?!?!?!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Beezy on May 18, 2013, 11:29:06 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 17, 2013, 04:49:52 PM
FUCK

Knicks Heat conference finals ugh

Quote from: etiolate on May 17, 2013, 02:48:06 AM
The Heat bore me outside of fast breaks and fuck the Knicks.

I really hope they do and think they will, but there's no guarantee that the Knicks win tonight. I'm sure you all thought they had no chance before Thursday night. Fuck your teams too though, fucking dickheads.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Steve Contra on May 18, 2013, 11:30:52 AM
He's a Kings fan, no need to rub it in.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Steve Contra on May 18, 2013, 01:11:19 PM
The Phil Jackson stuff is pretty funny.  I mean he didn't need to say it because nobody outside of LA thought otherwise, but it's definitely a big ol' fuck you to Kobe.  I wonder what Phil had to say about Shaq?  I mean if Shaq was a better free throw shooter he would be the best ever.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 18, 2013, 01:25:52 PM
Lakers fans are delusional but it's not all their fault.  The media did a great job of creating an argument that never should have existed. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 18, 2013, 02:11:31 PM
Kobe's response really shows that he just doesn't get it. Jackson wasn't talking about individual stats, which is what Kobe seemingly focuses on with his Shaq obsession. Yes Shaq was the best player in the league during those championship years, and was the team's leader...but that didn't excuse Kobe from being an arrogant child. Shaq is my favorite NBA player ever but I won't deny he was an arrogant child too, but at the end of the day he was the most dominant player in the league: Kobe should have recognized that, and done his job. I see no reason why the Lakers couldn't have won four or five championships if Kobe wasn't such a child.

On one hand you can't fault Kobe too much for failing with guys like Smush Parker in those early After Shaq years. But at the same time, his inability to trust his teammates - especially this season - helped ruin the team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 18, 2013, 02:32:28 PM
MJ> Lebron> Kobe

Not sure what all the fuss is about.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Steve Contra on May 18, 2013, 02:35:22 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 18, 2013, 02:32:28 PM
MJ> Lebron> Kobe

Not sure what all the fuss is about.
Kobe fans?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 18, 2013, 02:37:14 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on May 18, 2013, 02:35:22 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 18, 2013, 02:32:28 PM
MJ> Lebron> Kobe

Not sure what all the fuss is about.
Kobe fans?

Kobe fans are almost as bad as the "rewrite history" T-Mac fans....ugh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 18, 2013, 06:31:53 PM
I've been watching Griner play for a couple years, but just now heard her talk
http://espn.go.com/wnba/story/_/id/9289080/brittney-griner-says-baylor-coach-kim-mulkey-told-players-keep-quiet-sexuality
 :mouf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 18, 2013, 07:30:53 PM
George Hill IS STARTING tonight for game 6.

Night night Knicks
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: etiolate on May 18, 2013, 09:35:53 PM
so Scot Pollard is in horror movies now

playing axe murderers

http://blogs.thescore.com/tbj/2013/04/04/video-scot-pollard-is-the-villain-in-a-horror-movie/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 19, 2013, 09:07:12 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 18, 2013, 06:31:53 PM
I've been watching Griner play for a couple years, but just now heard her talk
http://espn.go.com/wnba/story/_/id/9289080/brittney-griner-says-baylor-coach-kim-mulkey-told-players-keep-quiet-sexuality
 :mouf

I still think that's a man, baby.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 19, 2013, 01:11:01 PM
I feel a little sorry for Carmelo. He's going to waste the prime years of his career playing with Amare for the next two years.

Amare makes 21 million next year and 23 million the year after that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Brehvolution on May 20, 2013, 01:33:42 PM
And probably not play those years either.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Beezy on May 20, 2013, 06:58:33 PM
:fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2013, 08:22:18 PM
And he's untradeable. And not Joe Johnson untradeable. Amare is really untradeable.


There is talk out there that Dwight is interested in joining the Rockets. You know how I know that's a lie. Because it makes sense. And Dwight doesn't do anything that makes sense. So I know immediately he is resigning with the Lakers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Mandark on May 20, 2013, 10:36:04 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 19, 2013, 01:11:01 PM
I feel a little sorry for Carmelo. He's going to waste the prime years of his career playing with Amare for the next two years.

Amare makes 21 million next year and 23 million the year after that.

Poor Carmelo.  However did he wind up in that pickle?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2013, 10:41:00 PM
Yeah I know he chose to go there and the Amare thing happening was a pretty good probability but I still cry for Melo at night. Don't judge me!

 :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2013, 10:55:09 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/thunder-no-plans-amnesty-160032997--nba.html

Quote
Perkins averages 4.2 points, 6.0 rebounds and 1.1 blocks for his career, and Thunder coach Scottie Brooks doesn’t expect him to ever see him becoming more than that statistically.

“He's somewhat of an easy target because of his stats,” Brooks said. “He's never going to be a statistical guy. He brings toughness. He brings experience. He brings things that help you win. He makes winning basketball plays.

 :what
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Beezy on May 20, 2013, 11:59:30 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2013, 08:22:18 PM
And he's untradeable. And not Joe Johnson untradeable. Amare is really untradeable.
Knicks fans already know this. We know our team tried to trade him already.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: pilonv1 on May 21, 2013, 12:27:50 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2013, 10:55:09 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/thunder-no-plans-amnesty-160032997--nba.html

Quote
Perkins averages 4.2 points, 6.0 rebounds and 1.1 blocks for his career, and Thunder coach Scottie Brooks doesn’t expect him to ever see him becoming more than that statistically.

“He's somewhat of an easy target because of his stats,” Brooks said. “He's never going to be a statistical guy. He brings toughness. He brings experience. He brings things that help you win. He makes winning basketball plays.

 :what

(http://i.imgur.com/C8XuslQ.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 21, 2013, 01:23:02 AM
I feel a little for Melo cuz of this

(http://i.minus.com/ibz1D1S2fU2dUd.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2013, 09:02:33 AM
I'm back to kind of hoping the Spurs win the series. And its not just because I think the Heat matchup better with them. It's just the basketball poet in me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGY6UamVRSU

I'd like the see the Spurs big three get one more chance. I'd like to see the evolution of Lebron in this series reflecting what happened when he played the Spurs in the finals before. I like the thing that happened earlier this year with Pop pulling his guys adding some fuel to the fire. I like seeing Pop in a finals period and seeing what he'll say. And I like that both the Spurs and Heat are both offensive teams but go about it in pretty different ways.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 21, 2013, 10:48:26 AM
Also, Spurs vs Heat finals is lose-lose situation for Kobe fans.  There's already a bunch of people talking on LA sports radio about how they hate both teams. 

A 5th ring for Duncan would probably do more damage to Kobe's legacy than Lebron winning a 2nd.  Duncan played in the same era,   has always been #1 for the Spurs and won more individual accolades.  There is already enough evidence that Duncan was the better player but a 5th championship would seal the deal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2013, 02:47:45 PM
Quote
‏@WojYahooNBA
The Clippers have fired Vinny Del Negro, source tells Y!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 21, 2013, 02:51:06 PM
:rejoice

genuinely awful coach
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2013, 02:56:10 PM
I honestly never watched the Clippers enough to form a truly intelligent opinion on the job he was doing. The basketball media hates him and there was talk that Chris Paul wasn't a fan so unless he got pretty far in the playoffs he was going to be the sacrificial lamb.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 21, 2013, 05:52:03 PM
Saw this in one of ESPN's latest 5-on-5's:

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Grit & Grind against Wit and Mind

I quite like the sound of that
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Mandark on May 21, 2013, 08:17:07 PM
If they brought a fruit basket there could be some Pits & Rind.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Mandark on May 21, 2013, 09:20:55 PM
You know it's a shitty draft when the Wizards move up in the lottery!  </Insufferablehometownself-pity>
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 21, 2013, 09:27:11 PM
Pistons at #8. Watch Dumars take Cody Zeller  :lol

Kyrie Irving+Nerlens Noel seems like it could be very explosive
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 21, 2013, 09:35:39 PM
Why have there been so many white players like Zeller who tested great at the NBA combine but aren't exceptionally athletic on the court? 

Do black players just not take the combine seriously?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 21, 2013, 09:38:30 PM
Zeller had a good season and played on one of the best teams, it's natural he's going to get lots of attention. But I don't understand how people can fall for the same "tall white guy who can't create his own shot, can't play in the paint" gimmick again and again. To be fair there are a lot of black guys like that too, but it seems like there's always some dude who is sooo intelligent, so clutch, sooo...intelligent  :dickiev
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Mandark on May 21, 2013, 09:48:01 PM
Some of the combine measures don't necessarily translate great to on-court athleticism.  Recording a great standing vertical where you have all the time to gather yourself and all the space you need doesn't mean you're going to be able to elevate well two or three times from a scrum under the basket as you fight for a rebound.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 21, 2013, 09:58:14 PM
True

Maybe they should do athletic tests that correlate better to game situations, like 3-5 quick jumps in a row and get the average of those jumps, or test jumps with weight vests to stimulate physical contact. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 21, 2013, 10:29:00 PM
It's definitely an area where I'm baffled that the NBA doesn't just copy what the NFL does with its combine and work outs. Just come up with bball equalivents of the position drills/competitions.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2013, 10:49:58 PM
San Antonio is just picking apart Memphis with precision offense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2013, 10:55:32 PM
Tony Parker is murdering the Grizz.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: etiolate on May 21, 2013, 10:56:37 PM
I doubt that. I hear PGs don't matter in the playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Grit & Grind)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2013, 11:01:33 PM
I'm happy for the Spurs. I thought there team was excellent last year but they just fell short. This is essentially the exact same team.

Heat Spurs would be really fun and I think a very potentially close series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2013, 11:11:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN766aFymZM


Quote
If Chris Hansen had been able to buy the Sacramento Kings and relocate the team to Seattle, then Phil Jackson was going to have a prominent role in the organization.

During an interview on the Dan Patrick Show on Tuesday morning, the NBA coaching legend with 11 championships said he had conversations with Hansen about returning basketball.

“I had an agreement with the guy that put the deal together for Seattle Chris Hansen,” Jackson said. “I thought he was dynamic. I thought he had great ideas. He went through the whole process of getting an arena. He did everything right except win the franchise.

“But his vision I could buy into. I thought he had the right vision for a team. And he made basically the offer of take what you want to take as a job. As a consultant? If you want to be an owner, be a part owner.  Be a consultant? Work in the basketball operations side if you want to or coach. It didn’t matter to him. We talked about a number of things.”
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2013, 11:45:13 PM
Tied up with the flagrant.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2013, 11:51:00 PM
OT. If the Grizz can steal this one that would be huge because they've been outplayed tonight and really shouldn't win.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2013, 12:07:49 AM
Grizz offense   :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 22, 2013, 11:59:48 AM
bummer for the griz.  seems like they're toast now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 22, 2013, 01:54:55 PM
Yawn...griz versus spurs is nap inducing. It's like watching the post dominique hawks vs the late 90's pistons (but with a subdued attitude)...

Let's watch the Cav's pass on Mclemore for Noel and then watch me piss on the Q.

This just screams Bowie over Jordan part 2.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 22, 2013, 03:49:42 PM
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshha9bNO8boSBU3jZjV

(http://imageshack.us/a/img196/166/pgdead.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2013, 04:37:02 PM
Quote
Daryl Morey ‏@dmorey 2h
Best draft interview answers ever part 1: player, can you pass a drug test? [grabs table] TODAY?!?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: T234 on May 22, 2013, 06:50:38 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2013, 04:37:02 PM
Quote
Daryl Morey ‏@dmorey 2h
Best draft interview answers ever part 1: player, can you pass a drug test? [grabs table] TODAY?!?

100 bux says it's Archie Goodwin.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2013, 11:00:00 PM
Extremely close game all the way through.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2013, 11:07:17 PM
David West is crushing.

11 of 15. 26 points.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2013, 11:12:17 PM
Unfortunate really bad turnover for George there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2013, 11:19:13 PM
Unreal.

 :ohhh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2013, 11:30:17 PM
Despite Lebron's willingness to go into the post now and be a point forward, he often still has shitty looking post moves and poor footwork.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2013, 11:39:18 PM
Been a classic game. 50 seconds left. I have no idea who is going to win this.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2013, 11:44:39 PM
Taking out Hibbert on that play Vogel.

 :mindblown
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2013, 11:46:53 PM
Wade you dumb ass.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 22, 2013, 11:48:20 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2013, 11:51:38 PM
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2w3s7c4.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2013, 11:53:05 PM
Vogel is gonna get murdered in the press for benching Hibbert twice on those two Lebron drives.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 22, 2013, 11:53:25 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2013, 11:57:08 PM
Hell of a game. Lots of ways to look at it. Despite the loss the Pacers have to be encouraged they played the Heat essentially to a tie on the road. It took a miracle three to get them into OT but then they kinda had the game won until Vogel got too cute for his own good.

So its clear they can play the Heat evenly and create a lot of problems on defense. And except for that turnover George played really well down the stretch. Gonna be a good series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 23, 2013, 12:13:30 AM
George was amazing in the 2nd half and OT

Kid has legit superstar potential.  When George's shot is on, his size and athleticism make him a much tougher opponent for Lebron than Melo ever was. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 23, 2013, 12:35:36 AM
Bosh only had 2 rebounds  :what

but at least he got maybe the most important one of the game
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 23, 2013, 08:22:33 AM
 ::)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 23, 2013, 01:35:14 PM
Quote
Dwight Howard Interested In Ruining Rockets

LOS ANGELES—Ahead of his impending free agency, Lakers center Dwight Howard told reporters Thursday that he is “very interested” in moving to Houston and completely ruining the Rockets. “They have a great young core of players with James Harden and Jeremy Lin, so I’d obviously love the chance to go shatter their chemistry and tear the entire locker room apart,” said Howard, adding that he would “relish the opportunity” to totally undermine Rockets head coach Kevin McHale. “There are a few teams on my radar right now. Dallas has a really solid roster too, and I’m definitely intrigued by the prospect of clashing with Dirk Nowitzki and running that whole franchise into the ground. We’ll just have to wait and see what happens.” Howard did stress to reporters, however, that he has not yet ruled out remaining in Los Angeles to continue destroying the Lakers for the foreseeable future.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/dwight-howard-interested-in-ruining-rockets,32552/



On another note.


 
Quote
Adrian Wojnarowski
‏@WojYahooNBA
All NBA first-team: LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant and Chris Paul.


edit
2nd team:
Gasol
Melo
Griffin
Westbrook
Parker

3rd team:
Lee
Dwight Koufos
George
Wade
Harden
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 23, 2013, 01:58:31 PM
btw Chris Andersen has the highest PER of anybody in the playoffs. 32.65

He's also shooting 83% on 7.9 points per game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Brehvolution on May 23, 2013, 02:10:22 PM
Apparently you don't need to play All season to be All NBA?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 23, 2013, 02:17:41 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 23, 2013, 01:58:31 PM
btw Chris Andersen has the highest PER of anybody in the playoffs. 32.65

He's also shooting 83% on 7.9 points per game.

So he's the best player in the playoffs? :smug

*daps smooth groove*
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Steve Contra on May 23, 2013, 03:42:24 PM
And yet the Heat won.  And the Lakers will still suck next year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 23, 2013, 03:42:58 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on May 23, 2013, 03:38:02 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 23, 2013, 08:22:33 AM
::)

The replay shows three clear steps after he picks up his dribble. The Pacers got robbed. The basket should have been waved off.

No it doesn't :rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 23, 2013, 05:10:28 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on May 23, 2013, 03:38:02 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 23, 2013, 08:22:33 AM
::)

The replay shows three clear steps after he picks up his dribble. The Pacers got robbed. The basket should have been waved off.

You're a moron.  He took two and then jumped up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 23, 2013, 06:16:22 PM
nah you're still a moron.  thats a move kobe makes all the time, and you would never say that when kobe does it
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 23, 2013, 07:48:34 PM
That's not a travel in the NBA or even College nowadays

Go watch high school basketball if you think that's a travel
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 23, 2013, 07:55:51 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 23, 2013, 02:17:41 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 23, 2013, 01:58:31 PM
btw Chris Andersen has the highest PER of anybody in the playoffs. 32.65

He's also shooting 83% on 7.9 points per game.

So he's the best player in the playoffs? :smug

*daps smooth groove*

For players in the 15 mins/game range, he's the best player.  Not being adjusted for minutes played is one of PER's biggest weaknesses.  For example, win shares do a better job of showing how much a player has contributed to his team's record.


Btw, I'm not the biggest fans of PER.  It's not bad but it tends to reward players who take many shots. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Steve Contra on May 23, 2013, 08:03:29 PM
 :kobeyuck

Wasn't this something you were working on?  And that's actually a real question.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 23, 2013, 08:07:56 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on May 23, 2013, 07:56:03 PM
Let me know when you're in California next, BrandNew. I will fuck-start your face, tape it, and then upload the massacre to The Bore as a series of gifs.

I think this is the same insult Kobe delivered to his mother.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 23, 2013, 08:31:18 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on May 23, 2013, 07:56:03 PM
Let me know when you're in California next, BrandNew. I will fuck-start your face, tape it, and then upload the massacre to The Bore as a series of gifs.

Why California? A Denver hotel seems more appropriate.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 23, 2013, 08:31:52 PM
fuck-start  :lol

this is internet nba trash talk, I gots no ill will dog.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 23, 2013, 08:33:04 PM
Well, I'm in LA most of the year

:phil

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL7atl1em2o
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 23, 2013, 08:34:01 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 23, 2013, 08:31:52 PM
fuck-start  :lol

this is internet nba trash talk, I gots no ill will dog.

:supergay
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2013, 01:57:43 PM
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/63158/courtvision-roy-hibbert-the-protector

Good article about Hibbert talking about how current stats don't really properly show the value of a player like him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Mandark on May 24, 2013, 02:41:42 PM
Really, Kirk Goldsberry?  Shot-blocking centers are valuable in the NBA?

So brave.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 24, 2013, 04:14:49 PM
Man all this thread needs is a blackace type mod to ban a black man for using the word negro and we'd almost emulate the lame ass gaf nba community. Good work guys...wanna debate if a point guard should be able to dribble or not?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2013, 04:44:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z2Sa62bW6g

lol. Tony got fined for this.

Quote
The Memphis Grizzlies Tony Allen has been fined $5,000 for violating the league's anti-flopping rules during the Grizzlies vs. Spurs game on May 21.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 24, 2013, 11:22:27 PM
LeChoke
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2013, 11:35:35 PM
Damn impressive. Dare I say Miami is showing a lot of chinks in the armor. Indy is fo real.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 24, 2013, 11:46:17 PM
6 offensive rebounds for Hibbert. I didn't see the game, but from the box score it looks like he dominated Bosh.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2013, 11:54:11 PM
Miami hasn't quite looked like how they were earlier this season for most of these playoffs. The ball hasn't moved as well as it did when I've seen them at their best. Obviously part of that is playing against higher caliber defenses but still its a problem.

Indy could easily be up 2-0 and has played Miami exactly even over two games. And its not like Lebron had a bad night or anything. They are matching them which is a little worrying. Next game is biggest NBA game of the season. If Indy wins. Uh oh.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 25, 2013, 11:28:04 PM
Close game here with the Grizz and Spurs. About 2 minutes left. I still think the Spurs are gonna pull this one out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 25, 2013, 11:42:26 PM
Dat Grizz offense.  :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 25, 2013, 11:50:28 PM
Spurs simply too good for the Grizz. The Grizz may have great defense but their below average offense dooms them. The Spurs may not have great defense but its damn good and so is there offense. They are just a much more balanced team. Curious to see what moves the Grizz make in the off-season to shore up their clear weaknesses.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 25, 2013, 11:52:18 PM
fucking lol.  I was at a bar until the end of regulation, then drove home...LITERALLY ONLY TWO BLOCKS AWAY FROM THE BAR.

And its 97-89 Spurs.

the FUCK memphis
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 25, 2013, 11:58:36 PM
Fuck Memphis

Shit team, shit basketball

Randolph can't do shit when the refs don't give him bs calls like in the 1st two rounds

Duncan and the Spurs get enough respect that they could hit back whenever Randolph initiates contact by lowering his shoulder
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2013, 12:00:15 AM
I knew Duncan would have a great game after I heard about the divorce shit :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 26, 2013, 12:01:47 AM
Thinks are really looking up for the Spurs. They have an easy path to the finals now. I think they match up well against the Pacers. Beat them both times during the regular season.  And I definitely think they have a shot against Miami. Miami better show up tomorrow tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Mandark on May 26, 2013, 12:07:57 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 26, 2013, 12:01:47 AM
They have an easy path to the finals now.

Seeing as they're up 3-0 in the WCF, I suppose you're right!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Stoney's liveblog of Game three Pacers Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 26, 2013, 12:13:32 AM
Can't wait for tomorrow's game. Biggest game in awhile. 30 posts or bust from me during that game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 26, 2013, 12:17:17 AM
Heat might be too gassed to beat the Spurs even if they got by the Pacers

Their old farts are already laying a ton of bricks

More worriedly, Lebron is starting to look tired from having to do so much

Majority of the blame has to be on Riles if the Heat don't win it all

He took a huge gamble on a bunch of guys that should probably consider retirement
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2013, 04:08:32 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on May 26, 2013, 12:17:17 AM
Heat might be too gassed to beat the Spurs even if they got by the Pacers

Their old farts are already laying a ton of bricks

More worriedly, Lebron is starting to look tired from having to do so much

Majority of the blame has to be on Riles if the Heat don't win it all

He took a huge gamble on a bunch of guys that should probably consider retirement

old guys perform when it matters (http://i.imgur.com/MrmOw.png)

I'm actually excited for tonight's game
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Stoney's liveblog of Game three Pacers Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 26, 2013, 05:13:46 PM
I expect a big game from Bosh.  Key word, expect.  If he doesn't have one, there needs to be some coaching adjustments to free up some room for Lebron and Birdman to stay inside a bit more and keep Bosh near the elbow.  Bosh just doesn't stand a chance against Hibbert in regards to rebounds.

Also, Wade needs to stop being such a bitch.  Also, stop taking such shit fade aways.  Honestly, he should probably distribute more this game than Chalmers.  At least Chalmers has a decent 3-shot.

I expect Allen and Battier to actually hit their threes tonight as well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Stoney's liveblog of Game three Pacers Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 26, 2013, 05:47:35 PM
Bosh will always be on the shakiest ground of the big three. If Miami fails this year, most of the blame will go to this philosophy of not needing a true big man, and that you can have this position-less offensive system. The verdict is yet to be written of course. If Miami wins the title then its all been vindicated. If they don't then, well....

All the other three finals teams have true big men who play like big man. Miami is the only one who doesn't where Bosh is sent out to the perimeter and high elbow.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Beezy on May 26, 2013, 06:07:08 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 26, 2013, 12:07:57 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 26, 2013, 12:01:47 AM
They have an easy path to the finals now.

Seeing as they're up 3-0 in the WCF, I suppose you're right!
At least one of my sweep predictions were right.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Stoney's liveblog of Game three Pacers Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 26, 2013, 06:09:08 PM
Well, I think thats kind of a stretch.  They DO have a true big man, but an unconventional (and somewhat unproven) one in Andersen.  I still think next season they should tool around with starting Birdman, with a starting five as Chalmers, Wade, Lebron, Bosh, and Birdman.  Chalmers as your distributor and deep threat, Wade as your obvious number two, Lebron being Lebron, and Bosh as your elbow and screen setter.

I don't know, it might be worth a look I think.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Stoney's liveblog of Game three Pacers Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 26, 2013, 06:12:39 PM
Birdman plays 14 minutes a game which is nice but doesn't get around to problem of them generally not having a real center out on the floor or a real rebounder most of the time. This whole approach started when they beat the Thunder last year but the problem is this approach seems to work wonders against 95% of the league, but creates a big problem when you play teams like Indy, San Antonio, Memphis, Chicago who can really exploit it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Stoney's liveblog of Game three Pacers Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 26, 2013, 06:27:03 PM
True.  Any good center a free agent next year?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Stoney's liveblog of Game three Pacers Heat)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 26, 2013, 09:03:35 PM
Ray "Fish" Allen is playing terrible again
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Stoney's liveblog of Game three Pacers Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 26, 2013, 09:30:43 PM
well, out of all the semi-bigs to step up, I never thought Haslem would be it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Stoney's liveblog of Game three Pacers Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 26, 2013, 09:57:41 PM
Hell of a first half half for the heat. I'm a bit busy tonight so I can't do the live blog thing like I wanted  :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Stoney's liveblog of Game three Pacers Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 26, 2013, 10:10:17 PM
oh look, chalmers fucking this up for the heat like usual
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Stoney's liveblog of Game three Pacers Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 26, 2013, 10:19:59 PM
jesus christ pull chalmers
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Stoney's liveblog of Game three Pacers Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2013, 10:21:02 PM
Chalmers wtf  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Stoney's liveblog of Game three Pacers Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 26, 2013, 10:30:11 PM
the pacers are only sorta in this game because they've gone to the line so much

this should be a blow-out like their last regular season match up
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Stoney's liveblog of Game three Pacers Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 26, 2013, 10:33:52 PM
wade just fucking flopped out of bounds :rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Stoney's liveblog of Game three Pacers Heat)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 26, 2013, 10:40:51 PM
Reggie Miller is just awful at his job

I don't give a crap that he was a former Pacer, I doubt anyone else does
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Stoney's liveblog of Game three Pacers Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 26, 2013, 10:42:45 PM
well this one is pretty much over

lebron is godly at the post tonight
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Stoney's liveblog of Game three Pacers Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 26, 2013, 11:33:39 PM
Hella impressive win which restores some of my faith in this Miami title run. That was the Miami from earlier this year when everybody was contributing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: Lovingsteam on May 27, 2013, 12:00:07 AM
If someone gave me a so called cure for HIV but told me it may also lead to the person being infected with HIV, but I could use it on anyone alive, I'd choose Dwayne Wade.

No matter what happens, the world wins.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 27, 2013, 01:31:01 AM
the fuck

 :what

also, that vahagn dude on gaf might be the biggest fucking distinguished mentally-challenged cuntmeister the world has ever seen
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: etiolate on May 27, 2013, 01:40:04 AM
ohmahgaw its loving

and yah vag is like konex but worse

What is with you Laker fans?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: Lovingsteam on May 27, 2013, 02:46:08 AM
Hey Etiolate ;)
StickyVag and Heavy are... Well... I don't know.
They're special.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: Lovingsteam on May 27, 2013, 02:48:01 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 27, 2013, 01:31:01 AM
the fuck

 :what

also, that vahagn dude on gaf might be the biggest fucking distinguished mentally-challenged cuntmeister the world has ever seen

Wade is to humanity what warts are to genitals.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 28, 2013, 12:18:15 AM
Wow, I thought the Grizzles could give the Spurs some trouble. Z-Bo got exposed

T-Mac in the finals :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 28, 2013, 12:31:15 AM
fucking grizz :(

oh well.  spurs were obviously the best team in the west this season despite the thunder having the best record.  can't wait for the lebron versus duncan rematch
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: etiolate on May 28, 2013, 01:09:05 AM
I was hoping for a better series from the Grizz. Randolph just couldn't finish any plays. The Grizz offense just puttered out with their defense to fuel it. Conley passed up open shots to keep running plays that weren't paying off.  (at least from what I watched of the series)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2013, 11:35:12 AM
Congrats to the Spurs. I thought last year they had the perfect team but things just didn't work out. Glad they get another title shot. And better yet they play pretty basketball.

And they are a very good team so it will be a worthy final.

Pre-season ESPN Western Conference picks

(http://blogimages.thescore.com/tbj/files/2013/05/john-hollinger-picks-spurs.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 28, 2013, 11:41:17 AM
:bow hollinger :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 28, 2013, 05:46:40 PM
Facts and numbers always beat hype
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2013, 05:50:44 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/11Yote7.png?1)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 28, 2013, 11:21:11 PM
smh wade

got a series now!  I'm glad.  was kinda getting tired of being 100% certain the heat would emerge.  I want another game from lebron that's like that game six against the celtics last year
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2013, 11:22:41 PM
Another shitty game from Wade.  ::)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 28, 2013, 11:55:01 PM
Miami has more serious problems than Wade

Their frontline made Hibbert look like Shaq tonight
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 29, 2013, 12:12:37 AM
 :comeon
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: pilonv1 on May 29, 2013, 03:11:20 AM
Don't think I've ever been as mad at a blown call as that 24 second violation today. How fucking inept do you have to be to miss that!?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: Mandark on May 29, 2013, 03:13:47 AM
It's up to the timekeeper, too, right?  Obviously the officials could each have overruled it, and it was a bit of a travesty that they didn't.  But man, this is one of those "you had one job..." situations for the timekeeper.

Plus he should be a homer, if anything.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: pilonv1 on May 29, 2013, 03:16:03 AM
True but how can three officials miss it? Usually when there's a 24 second issue the officials pick it up. Were none of them looking at the ball hitting the rim?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: naff on May 29, 2013, 11:40:22 PM
Malone will be working with the Jazz next season to develop their big men :o Pretty hype for Utahs moves this draft, first up they need to replace/bench Maurice badly. Hoping they pick up Steven Adams too. I have faith Lindsey is going to do something interesting.

Quote from: pilonv1 on May 29, 2013, 03:11:20 AM
Don't think I've ever been as mad at a blown call as that 24 second violation today. How fucking inept do you have to be to miss that!?

...Joey Crawford... Furthest ref from the hoop blew the whistle :-\ Much more ridiculous than LeBrons blocking call, he did stand on Stephensons foot, but it's so dodgy making such borderline calls with 50 seconds on the clock, in a tight playoff series against a star player. Reeks of ego crazed refs trying to artificially impact the game
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: Mandark on May 29, 2013, 11:48:59 PM
I was thinking the LeBron illegal pick might have been a makeup call after the 24 second violation.  To add to everything else, the ballhandler (Wade?) denied the screen, so Stephenson wouldn't have been involved the play anyways.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: pilonv1 on May 29, 2013, 11:50:39 PM
LeBron's feet were so spread on that pick though that you had to call it, just looked ridiculous
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: naff on May 30, 2013, 03:38:11 AM
Had to rewatch it, from memory it just seemed like a wide screen, but he does move and steps on Stephenson
Quote
the offensive player setting the pick must remain stationary at the moment of contact with the defender; a screen is illegal if the screener moves in order to make contact, and obtains an advantage
fair call (except the advantage part), he stepped on Stephenson, LB is all "he just ran into me" but he stepped on him. No dice LBJ. Still a strange call to make at that point in the game imo. But it was a game full of much worse calls.

Anyway, next game should be better. I like Indiana but I'm holding out for a Spurs Heat series. If this series finishes on game 6 Crawford will be officiating in the first game. Duncan better not laugh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2013, 08:32:13 PM
Live blog begins now!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 30, 2013, 08:35:20 PM
I didn't know Mia Hamm played basketball.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2013, 08:40:29 PM
Miami already starting off the game with those dumb ass cute passes I hate that get picked off against good defenses.

And Haslem on Hibbert is not a good idea.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 30, 2013, 08:44:23 PM
I love watching Hibbert
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2013, 08:54:40 PM
Wade still looks like crap to me. Pick it up asshole.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2013, 08:58:08 PM
End of first quarter. Another bad Miami quarter. Offense looks completely stagnant. Great first quarter for George.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2013, 09:06:16 PM
Birdman being stupid.   :maf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2013, 09:16:34 PM
Miami still looking like shit. If this is all Wade is going to give them, then they have no chance for this series. They are in serious trouble.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 30, 2013, 09:20:56 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2013, 09:16:34 PM
Miami still looking like shit. If this is all Wade is going to give them, then they have no chance for this series. They are in serious trouble.
:beli

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2013, 09:22:33 PM
Ray Allen defense.  :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2013, 09:27:24 PM
Miami showing the first bit of life.

I still hate Bosh out there shooting three's on the perimeter though. It's not like Indy's offense is especially inventive or anything. They take an average or slightly below average shot but then crash the boards like maniacs and get offensive rebounds and second chance points.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 30, 2013, 09:38:55 PM
Indiana takes a bunch of shots from 5 ft or less which should be considered good shots

Higher accuracy and better chance of putbacks
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2013, 09:38:55 PM
End of first Half. 4 point Pacer lead. Feels like a double digit pacers lead.

Pace is incredibly slow. Just the way the Pacers want it. Almost no fast breaks points or opportunities for Miami. Almost no easy points for Miami. Only 6 assists for the entire team.

Wade 1-6. 5 points.

Miami looks utterly befuddled. They are trying to play big with Anderson playing a lot of minutes but they are not use to it offensively and the offense was dragging anyway. What they ran so effectively for most of the season simply doesn't work against indy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 30, 2013, 09:47:53 PM
Lebron's passes to the 3pt line have been too predictable for the shooters to get good enough looks

I think the Heat will have better success if Lebron drives and dishes to a trailing, reliable finisher like Birdman or Wade
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Mia......?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2013, 09:52:45 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on May 30, 2013, 09:47:53 PM
Lebron's passes to the 3pt line have been too predictable for the shooters to get good enough looks

I think the Heat will have better success if Lebron drives and dishes to a trailing, reliable finisher like Birdman or Wade

There isn't enough movement on offense. Lebron has made so really bad passes also. Miami looks incredibly predictable right now. When they were at their best this year people were cutting and moving and the ball was being whipped around quickly. Obviously a lot of credit has to go to Indy. They are not allowing that. They are making Miami look like the old Miami where Lebron sat with the ball for a long time and the offense looked frozen.

I still say the huge problem on offense is Wade. You can't win with him not being a factor. He can be a lesser factor than Lebron but he can't be a non-factor like he's been for this series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Ind......?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2013, 09:57:40 PM
Good run for Miami there. I wasn't expecting Haslem to drive on that play and be effective.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Ind......?)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 30, 2013, 10:02:19 PM
Yeah Lebron has been having too many possessions when he dribbles for too long

This allows all 5 defenders to key in and collapse at the right time

The Heat needs more possessions with someone else starting the play so that Lebron has a better chance of finishing at the rim or getting a clean look
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Ind......?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2013, 10:05:29 PM
Hibbert just made Bosh his bitch on that play.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Ind......?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2013, 10:12:08 PM
Lebron starting to go off. And he has too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Ind......?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 30, 2013, 10:16:03 PM
I want him to have his fuck-you-celtics game again
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Ind......?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2013, 10:16:57 PM
On one hand its nice to see Lebron taking over. On the other its sad to see how little effort anyway else has brought tonight on the Heat.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Ind......?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2013, 10:20:59 PM
Gotta give some credit to Haslem. He has also balled tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Ind......?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2013, 10:24:49 PM
Indy wilting big time here in the 3rd. Collapsing even.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Ind......?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2013, 10:26:32 PM
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2w3s7c4.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Ind......?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2013, 10:35:21 PM
I'm trying to not be a dick and understand that Wade has an injury but Jesus Christ he looks awful out there. His decision making isn't good either.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Ind......?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2013, 10:40:10 PM
Why is Ray Allen on Paul George.  ???
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Ind......?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2013, 10:49:17 PM
Indy's unimaginative offense catching up with them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Ind......?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 30, 2013, 10:55:26 PM
that cole block/steal was pretty sexy
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Ind......?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 30, 2013, 10:59:14 PM
haslem has been absolutely CRUCIAL in this series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Ind......?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2013, 11:01:06 PM
I didn't think Miami could win getting a great game from Lebron but absolutely jack from Wade and Bosh. They proved me wrong.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Ind......?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 30, 2013, 11:06:08 PM
Wade's absence honestly doesn't surprise me much, since he's been bumfucked for several weeks

but Bosh?  I was thinking he'd have a great series agains the Pacers.  I was super wrong.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Ind......?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2013, 11:09:22 PM
Miami finishes with 19 assists. Had 6 in the first half. They only got outrebounded by 1 33 to 32 and they ended up tying on offensive rebounds with 6. Actually outscored Indy with points in the paint 34 to 32. Great second half.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Ind......?)
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 31, 2013, 12:28:08 AM
Total fouls called tonight: 30 and free throws: 27

Kinda surprising Miami won so easily tonight

The more physical team usually benefits from a game not being called as tight
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Ind......?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2013, 01:29:23 AM
(http://www-thescore.s3.amazonaws.com/images/123916/original.gif?1369966180)


btw Bosh has 18 rebounds in the 5 games in this series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Ind......?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2013, 01:40:13 AM
http://allball.blogs.nba.com/2013/05/30/quincy-pondexter-loses-series-scores-date-with-miss-tennessee/

:bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Ind......?)
Post by: etiolate on May 31, 2013, 05:09:16 PM
Seems the Kings are hiring Mike Malone as their new head coach. I had heard Renadive really wanted him, but I thought they'd hire the GM first.

Reported GM candidates are Wallace from Memphis or Mike Dunleavy. =/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Ind......?)
Post by: etiolate on May 31, 2013, 07:13:07 PM
Quote
Former NBA star and Hawks player Mookie Blaylock was one of two people critically injured Friday afternoon in a head-on collision in Clayton County, according to police.

Blaylock, 46, was driving a Cadillac Escalade northbound on Tara Boulevard when for unknown reasons, he crossed over the median and into a southbound lane, Jonesboro police Chief Franklin Allen told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

Blaylock’s vehicle struck another vehicle head-on, injuring two people, whose names were not released, and himself, Franklin said.

All three were transported to Atlanta Medical Center, where Blaylock was flown and was on life support and unresponsive, Franklin said. A female passenger in the second vehicle was bleeding internally, he said.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/former-nba-star-on-life-support-after-clayton-coun/nX8Kb/

=|
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Ind......?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2013, 08:47:48 PM
Birdman suspended for Game 6 after his dumb push.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Ind......?)
Post by: etiolate on June 01, 2013, 01:50:07 AM
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/63835/flopping-in-the-nba-a-history-of-nonviolence

fun read
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Ind......?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 01, 2013, 03:05:15 AM
Yep. Flopping has always been around. And the current money fines are toothless as pointed out. Fining millionaires 5,000 dollars is both hilarious and pointless. It's mainly an attempt to publicly shame them to not do it but winning is all that matters. Players at that level don't care about something like that.

The euro leagues make flopping a 2 shot foul and the ball. It makes a lot more sense if you are serious about something to have in game penalties for the actions versus some post game thing because players in the heat of the moment will always do whatever it takes to win. The problem of course is that it would lead to more reviews and slowing down the game and its another judgment call in the heat of the moment. Refs barely get the things they get right currently. Adding another thing to their purview would only make things worse unless they put another ref out on the court and the league is too cheap to do that even now when an extra ref would be highly helpful.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Ind......?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 01, 2013, 10:53:32 PM
Chris Bosh 1-8   

Dwyane Wade  3-11   

Quote
Heat players whose jersey does not say "James" on the back finished 16-51 (31.4 percent) from the field.

 :picard
Title: The NBA thread (Finals=Spurs versus Ind......?)
Post by: Huff on June 01, 2013, 10:58:27 PM
Why do the heat look like they are going to cry? There is still one more game, right?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 01, 2013, 11:03:38 PM
this miami team currently looks just like cavs era lebron when they lost to the magic a few years ago

lebron needs some fucking help

still, I'm not surprised it went to seven games.  I've been telling everyone in my friend group that there was no way the pacers just laid down in this series.  The Pacers are the best team to face Miami in the league – they just match up so well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 01, 2013, 11:42:51 PM
Can't fucking wait for Skip's take on this
(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2706373/lebronrun_medium.gif)

one of the absolute most childish reactions to a call, ever
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 01, 2013, 11:45:48 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 01, 2013, 11:40:50 PM
If Stern hadn't gifted the Heat Game 1, this series would be over.

All your whining is made the more hilarious by the fact you are a Lakers fan.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 01, 2013, 11:59:55 PM
yeesh.  I thought he was pulling one of these

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtJQ4c668Hw

in some fasion.  fucking lebron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 02, 2013, 12:11:11 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmExDRUzFVA
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 02, 2013, 01:10:55 AM
It's such a "see, I told you so" moment for his critics lol, and while their narratives will be stupid I can't even defend him. Nor do I want to. Most NBA stars seem quite upset when they don't get certain calls, but sometimes LeBron seems extra emotional over shit like this. Whether it's a hard screen or an offensive foul. Jesus dude, grow a pair.

More importantly, composure. Your team is down with 4 minutes to go, ain't nobody got time for that shit bro
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 02, 2013, 01:11:59 AM
yea lebron is probably one of the worst foul whiners in the league, if not THE worst. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Mandark on June 02, 2013, 01:13:09 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 02, 2013, 01:10:55 AM
I can't even defend him.

"can't even"

Dude, you don't defend anyone.  You're a hater, and I mean that strictly as a description and not a judgment.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 02, 2013, 01:40:51 AM
Quote from: Mandark on June 02, 2013, 01:13:09 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 02, 2013, 01:10:55 AM
I can't even defend him.

"can't even"

Dude, you don't defend anyone.  You're a hater, and I mean that strictly as a description and not a judgment.

Oh I'm definitely a hater, but I've always been rather indifferent to LeBron. I enjoy watching him, don't dislike him, etc...so ultimately I'm pretty fair with him.

You know the only person I defend at all costs is Nas.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2013, 03:55:38 PM
Another one of those little interesting Miami Heat forks in the road in a few hours. On one hand I fully expect them to win tonight. Home. Nobody suspended. Miami being more talented. But a loss would be really interesting because it would entail major changes for next season.

There definitely seems to be a schism on this team. Wade seems to be in his own little reality at this point. His comments after the last game were laughable to me. He's been terrible. And his argument for why's he been terrible is that he isn't getting the ball enough. 

:mindblown

In the last three games Wade has averaged 12 points. Had 8 turnovers. 11 of 34 shooting field goals. 32%. I won't even go into Bosh. Amazingly he's been even worse.


He does need to get the ball more. And he needs to be effective with it. That's why he hasn't been getting the ball. His chicken and the egg argument is nuts. The more effective he is the more touches he will get.

Either way even if they win, They've shown some potentially fatal flaws to Popovich. Should be fun in a few hours.

And either way they should get rid of Bosh next year for somebody who fits in their system better. They should have amnestied Miller or Anthony this season anyway to upgrade the frontcourt.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Mandark on June 03, 2013, 05:08:29 PM
Yeah, Wade is clearly not right and it's killing them.  Some of the coverage is trying to turn this into a morality play (Selfish Cleveland LeBron vs. Trusting Teammates LeBron) which is just goofy.

But who could they conceivably get who would help them more than Bosh, especially considering Spoelstra's arranged the offense around having LBJ and four guys who can shoot on the floor?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 03, 2013, 06:08:55 PM
dwight howard



 :sabu
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 03, 2013, 06:16:39 PM
Quote from: Mandark on June 03, 2013, 05:08:29 PM
Yeah, Wade is clearly not right and it's killing them.  Some of the coverage is trying to turn this into a morality play (Selfish Cleveland LeBron vs. Trusting Teammates LeBron) which is just goofy.

But who could they conceivably get who would help them more than Bosh, especially considering Spoelstra's arranged the offense around having LBJ and four guys who can shoot on the floor?

How about somebody that can actually shoot? 

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2013, 06:20:21 PM
My problem with Bosh is that he is a luxury piece with the Heat. He's isn't what they need. He's just a nice thing to have on a team that already has two superstars. His value is ostensibly to drag the other team's center or power forward out of the paint to create driving lanes. I'm not saying that doesn't have any value. I just think there are people in the league who could give alternate value to the heat that is just as valuable and better suited to battle other big men.

We all know what Miami's weakness is. It's always been the same weakness. I would rather they try to address that area than continue to double down on the current model.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2013, 06:26:29 PM
On a completely unrelated topic its kinda weird what's going on with Hollins in Memphis. It's pretty clear they don't seem to want him but they can't come out and say it. Who gives their coach permission to talk to other teams?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Mandark on June 03, 2013, 06:30:45 PM
Stoney: Specifically who, though?  It's all well and good to minimize what Bosh has done as a luxury, but what players would actually help them more?  And from that pool, how many are actually available to a capped-out team?

Quote from: Smooth Groove on June 03, 2013, 06:16:39 PM
How about somebody that can actually shoot?

Bosh was essentially the best shooter on long 2's in the entire league this year, and was shooting over .500 for the regular season and both the Bucks and Bulls series.  So what we really mean is someone who's guaranteed to never go cold during an important stretch, so...  I dunno, Dirk?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 03, 2013, 06:31:43 PM
Bosh can shoot fine   ???

his elbow jumpers are usually pretty dead-on.  he's just having an off series
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2013, 06:38:56 PM
Quote from: Mandark on June 03, 2013, 06:30:45 PM
Stoney: Specifically who, though?  It's all well and good to minimize what Bosh has done as a luxury, but what players would actually help them more?  And from that pool, how many are actually available to a capped-out team?

Not sure. I'd have to go into a trade machine and see what works and doesn't work and have a little fun. Don't have time to do it at the moment. Maybe later tonight when the game starts and I have the free time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Mandark on June 03, 2013, 06:41:05 PM
The playoffs, when we compare every star to our maxed out Create-a-Players, and find them lacking!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2013, 06:47:20 PM
Quote from: Mandark on June 03, 2013, 06:30:45 PM
Stoney: Specifically who, though?  It's all well and good to minimize what Bosh has done as a luxury, but what players would actually help them more?  And from that pool, how many are actually available to a capped-out team?
Derek Fisher.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2013, 06:50:22 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2013, 06:47:20 PM
Quote from: Mandark on June 03, 2013, 06:30:45 PM
Stoney: Specifically who, though?  It's all well and good to minimize what Bosh has done as a luxury, but what players would actually help them more?  And from that pool, how many are actually available to a capped-out team?
Derek Fisher.
Pau Gasol if he wasn't 32 soon to be 33 maybe.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Mandark on June 03, 2013, 06:52:00 PM
Look, you can say Miami's had the same flaw, but for the two seasons prior to this the most frequently cited problem was the team's predictable and sometimes stagnant offense.

That wasn't an issue this year, as they implemented a new scheme with LeBron operating out of the post a lot more.  Bosh has been a huge part of that, both in his willingness to accept a different role and in his elite skillset as a stretch 4.  Not to mention the comfort level that has to come with being in his third year with LeBron/Wade/Spo.  If what Bosh does was easy, you'd see a lot more players doing it, when fairly few even come close.

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2013, 06:47:20 PM
Derek Fisher.

That sounds good, until Fish wants to leave and starts publicly caring about his kids health again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2013, 06:56:27 PM
I never liked Bosh with the team. He wasn't the biggest problem but he's never been my favorite piece. If they win tonight or if they keep him going forward then that's fine too. They are certainly a very good team with him who will beat 97% of the league and who will always struggle with the Bull, Indy. Teams like that.

I also think if they fail this season or in this game, Bosh is always going to be the most criticized piece and that criticism will reach a new height. Whether Riley thinks that's true or not and valid or does anything about it will be interesting. But if they fail tonight against the Pacers, I'd put myself on the side of them looking at another option however that comes about. Things will probably get broken up after next season anyway depending on what Lebron does.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Mandark on June 03, 2013, 07:21:05 PM
They're 8-2 against the Bulls in the playoffs?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 03, 2013, 07:32:06 PM
Probably bs,

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/floyd-mayweather-repotedly-bets-close-to-6-million-dollars-on-heat-060313
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2013, 07:34:47 PM
If I was a betting man I would bet on the Heat tonight. They really should win. Not sure I would say the same against the Spurs in a Game 7.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2013, 07:39:20 PM
I'd bet money on hero worship or a villain obituary dominating sports columns tomorrow.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 03, 2013, 07:43:31 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2013, 07:39:20 PM
I'd bet money on hero worship or a villain obituary dominating sports columns tomorrow.

I'd bet money on hearing that either Miami or Indiana "wanted it more".
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2013, 08:01:47 PM
LeBron may have scored 36 points, grabbed 14 rebounds, and had 12 assists in tonight's devastating Game 7 loss, but it doesn't tell us much about his impact on the game or his legacy. For that we must look back to Game 6, when James sprinted from one side of the court to the other in one of the most craven displays in recent sports memory. The question is not where was he running, but what was he running from. The Miami Heat may have been run out of the playoffs tonight, but LeBron ran away from greatness on Saturday night. It is said that Rosa Parks sat so Martin Luther King could walk. But neither could have ever dreamed that LeBron James would run in Game 6 of the 2013 Eastern Conference Finals, when his team needed him the most.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: etiolate on June 03, 2013, 08:29:47 PM
As long as we're bringing the word craven into sports vernacular then I support this.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2013, 08:40:54 PM
Miami off to a slow start as usual.

Bosh and Wade are more active early but not especially effective so far. At least Bosh isn't I mean.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2013, 08:49:38 PM
Miami more active on the boards early which is a good sign. Everybody seems to playing at a high energy level at least. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2013, 08:53:47 PM
Miami half court D very active. The most active I've seen them in the series early in the game. They normally don't roll out the defense until the 3rd quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2013, 08:56:04 PM
Bosh needs to stop shooting. He's already 1 of 8. Hibbert is completely shutting him down.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2013, 09:03:34 PM
End of first quarter. 2 point pacer lead. Positive signs on both sides for both teams.

The Heat expended a ton of energy in that quarter to be down by 2. Interesting to see what kind of effect that has, as the game goes on. Bosh is 5 of 29 now on field goal attempts in the last 3 and including this game.

Not sure why Mike Miller is suddenly playing. That seems desperate. Kinda grasping at straws.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 03, 2013, 09:07:50 PM
I like how the Heat are attacking the paint.

But they aren't getting any calls tonight so they gotta focus better on finishing. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2013, 09:19:00 PM
Two long range shots for Bosh in a row. Hopefully that finally will start to pull him out of this Funk.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2013, 09:29:03 PM
Miami looking good so far. Extremely active defense to go with more inside drives or kicking to Ray Allen for wide open three's. They are putting pressure offensively on the Pacers in different ways and Pacers aren't covering all the options.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2013, 09:39:02 PM
Almost half time and Miami with a double digit lead. They played that first half about as well as you could expect at this stage.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 03, 2013, 09:39:31 PM
3 fouls on Hibbert should make it much easier for the Heat rest of the way
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 03, 2013, 10:02:06 PM
Interesting conversation on Daily Dime now about how Hibbert is taking advantage of the verticality rule to dominate defensively,

http://espn.go.com/nba/notebook?page=dailydimelive
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 03, 2013, 10:16:39 PM
Hate to say it but the Heat do look like they want it more tonight.

Why haven't they rebounded or defended like this the whole series? 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2013, 10:18:32 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on June 03, 2013, 10:16:39 PM
Hate to say it but the Heat do look like they want it more tonight.

Why haven't they rebounded or defended like this the whole series?

That's always the Miami mystery. You watch a team like the Spurs and it feels like the same energy and effort level every night. You watch the heat and sometimes it feels like everybody is going hard and playing with a little bit of healthy desperation and then some nights it looks like they just phone it in and expect to win because of their talent. It makes them a frustrating team to follow. Wade still clearly looks injured but his effort level and aggressiveness is so much greater tonight.

To be fair at least in the regular season, they were more consistent than they have been in the past.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Monday 8:30 Pacers versus Heat )
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2013, 10:29:11 PM
Game over. Hibbert's 5th foul is essentially the dagger. He is the key to everything.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals begin Thursday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2013, 11:20:26 PM
Very good finals. The best true Match-up. Intriguing on so many levels. I give a slight edge to the Spurs based on how they are currently playing and how balanced that team is in all facets plus better coaching but Miami certainly has the talent and the best player to win the series along with home court advantage. Will be fun.

Pacers have nothing to feel bad about. Great effort. They should improve next season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals begin Thursday)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 04, 2013, 01:36:25 AM
wahhhhhhhhhh


WAHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals begin Thursday)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 04, 2013, 01:43:49 AM
Three finals in a row for Bron, without Shaq carrying him. C'mon Puddles, taste he happy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals begin Thursday)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 04, 2013, 01:46:08 AM
Ha ha, it's the ultimate lose-lose Finals for Lakers stans!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals begin Thursday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 04, 2013, 01:50:47 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on June 04, 2013, 01:46:08 AM
Ha ha, it's the ultimate lose-lose Finals for Lakers stans!

Kobe nut sack riders should be rooting for Lebron. A Duncan win probably places him above Kobe historically because of the solidness of Duncan's teams over the period. I kinda think its unlikely Lebron will win 5 titles.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals begin Thursday)
Post by: Mandark on June 04, 2013, 01:53:00 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 04, 2013, 01:47:53 AM
Probably the easiest routes to the finals that any repeating conference champion ever had.

I'm gonna go with the 2002-03 Nets on that one.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals begin Thursday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 04, 2013, 02:04:15 AM
I've never been someone who likes the ring argument solely as a testament to greatness. I think the general public though has been taught by the modern media to place almost complete focus on that. Kobe and Duncan play such different positions that its very hard to make any real valid meaningful comparisons between their careers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals begin Thursday)
Post by: etiolate on June 04, 2013, 02:04:45 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on June 04, 2013, 01:46:08 AM
Ha ha, it's the ultimate lose-lose Finals for Lakers stans!

oh man you're right

This Finals just got a lot better.



Kings introduced Mike Malone as HC and dismissed all Cousins trade rumors. Encouraged by both of those things, but still worried about some of the potential GM names I've been hearing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals begin Thursday)
Post by: pilonv1 on June 04, 2013, 04:42:21 AM
I'd be more worried about them potentially signing Monta Ellis
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals begin Thursday)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 04, 2013, 08:58:41 AM
When the Pacers get Grainger back, they will be a scary team next year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals begin Thursday)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 04, 2013, 11:54:38 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on June 04, 2013, 08:58:41 AM
When the Pacers get Grainger back, they will be a scary team next year.

They won't have him.  Popular belief is that they'll trade him and a few bench warmers around for a shot at Chris Paul.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals begin Thursday)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 04, 2013, 11:54:59 AM
So, scarier.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals begin Thursday)
Post by: etiolate on June 04, 2013, 01:44:07 PM
Quote from: pilonv1 on June 04, 2013, 04:42:21 AM
I'd be more worried about them potentially signing Monta Ellis

I try not to think about that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals begin Thursday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 04, 2013, 05:12:32 PM
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Indiana Pacers Feel Stupid For Believing In Themselves

 Jun 4, 2013


MIAMI—Following their 99-76 Game 7 loss in the Eastern Conference Finals, Indiana Pacers players confirmed Tuesday that they felt like complete idiots for believing in themselves and foolishly thinking that they ever had a chance against the Miami Heat. “It’s downright embarrassing that every player on this team was actually convinced we were good enough to beat a team loaded with NBA superstars,” said Pacers small forward Paul George, who apologized for getting pumped up by a speech from Indiana head coach Frank Vogel. “What the hell were we thinking? They have LeBron James and Dwyane Wade, and we have David West and George Hill. Nobody on this team has ever averaged more than 20 points a game. When I think about how confident we were during games, I can’t believe we acted so stupid. Deep down we should have believed with all our heart that we would fail.” At press time, George acknowledged that Indiana fans must have been “fucking delusional” to seriously believe in the Pacers.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/indiana-pacers-feel-stupid-for-believing-in-themse,32683/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=standard-post:headline:default

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Miami Heat Unable To Tell If Congratulations Are Sarcastic Or Not

Jun 4, 2013

MIAMI—After eliminating the Indiana Pacers to reach the NBA finals for the third consecutive year, Miami Heat players were reportedly struggling Monday to determine whether those congratulating them on their victory were being sarcastic. “When people tell me this was an inspiring win by a team with real integrity, I want to believe them, but it’s hard to tell sometimes,” said shooting guard Dwyane Wade, who was unsure how to interpret comments such as the Heat’s dominance is “very, very impressive” and “a great thing for the NBA.” “One guy came up to me after the game and said I was his favorite player on his absolute favorite NBA team, and then he claimed our team was ‘built the right way.’ He was sort of smiling, but I don’t know if he was being sincere. He also said we should be ‘real proud of what we accomplished’ and then added a second ‘real proud,’ which makes me think he didn’t actually mean it.” At press time, Heat players reportedly realized that anyone claiming to be happy to see Mario Chalmers back in the finals was definitely being sarcastic

http://www.theonion.com/articles/miami-heat-unable-to-tell-if-congratulations-are-s,32686/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=standard-post:headline:default
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals begin Thursday)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 05, 2013, 12:10:50 PM
 :mindblown at Marc Stein

Quote
1. What does Miami need to accomplish to justify the Big Three hype?

Marc Stein, ESPN.com: Honestly? Unless the Heat shock the world and rebound emphatically from the pounding they took from Indy to blow San Antonio away -- which I don't see happening -- this group can't. Not even if it wins it all. This group no longer has the look of a long-term contender. I expect changes even if the Heat manage to win this series.

Do people forget that for pretty much the last three seasons, Indy AND Boston have taken them to lengthy series'?

This Miami team is the best they've ever been.  Lol at thinking the spurs will mow them down.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals begin Thursday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2013, 12:17:33 PM
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Here for fun — Jackson flies from reality
By Buck Harvey

June 5, 2013

MIAMI — Stephen Jackson flew commercial to Miami on Tuesday. He should have been on the Spurs' charter.

He should have been joking with Tim Duncan and listening to Gregg Popovich. He should have been preparing for his second Finals and hoping he would get a few minutes trying to defend LeBron James; the Spurs might have been better for that, too.

Instead, Jackson sat in 3A, on United flight 1158, from Houston to Miami.

Any regrets, he was asked?

“Nope,” he said. “Got my money.”

He smiled broadly, as if to convince himself.

Jackson says he didn't come to Miami to watch the Finals. He said he hasn't watched any of the Spurs' games this spring.

He's here to have fun, and he's been having a lot since the Spurs released him. Jackson has been sharing his luxurious life online, from a trip to Jamaica to the occasional pedicure. The posts have also come about the time the Spurs have been playing games.

So maybe there's something about the juxtaposition, especially for a man whose most powerful trait also happens to be his most destructive one. Pride.

Tuesday brought this out. Then, Jackson talked about Popovich.

A year ago Jackson announced, in so many words, Popovich was the only coach who could handle him. Tuesday he said he refused this season to play Popovich's “mind games.”

That goes against Popovich's reputation as a straight shooter. That also goes against the conversation Popovich had just before the Spurs traded for Jackson in 2012.

Then, Popovich told Jackson what he would have to accept if the Spurs were going to proceed with the trade: No contract extension and no guarantee of playing time.

Jackson happily agreed, and last season he gave the Spurs some life. In the finale, in Game 6 in Oklahoma City, he may have been the Spur most comfortable with the tension.

He began this past season looking slower, and his shooting percentages fell. So did his minutes. He admits now he sparred with Popovich for about half the season. And after Popovich released him just days before the regular season ended, Jackson posted this on Instagram:

“I would never say a player is better than me when I know their (sic) not. Not for no one. #uandiknowwhatsgoingon”

Tuesday he revealed who he was talking about: Danny Green and Manu Ginobili.

Jackson insists Popovich wanted him to admit Green and Ginobili were better. More than likely, Popovich simply told Jackson they were better. That's why they were playing instead of him.

Pride wouldn't let Jackson accept that, and he admitted as much Tuesday. After showing the initial flash of anger when talking about Popovich, he later said Popovich knows him well, and that the release “was best for me so I wouldn't go crazy.”

Or, as Jackson said Tuesday, again smiling, “I wouldn't want me on the team, either.”

Still, Jackson insists he was right to not bend, in part, because he was right the previous time he left the Spurs. Then, after the 2003 championship, Popovich was equally blunt.

Jackson brought up the specifics again Tuesday, how he ended playoff series after playoff series with big shots. But when the season was over, Popovich told Jackson in his exit interview: You haven't earned career money yet.

Jackson's successes outweighed his failures, but by how much? His turnovers were an issue, as was the volatility of uneven Stephen.

“He's a good-hearted guy,” a teammate said then. “And when he was angry, it wasn't because he was demanding the ball or anything like that. But he was so sensitive and emotional that it was difficult to coach, and it was tough for a teammate, too. The countless pouting sessions began to drag on everyone.”

That's why Popovich had a price in mind. He didn't want to be stuck with an expensive problem.

So the Spurs offered about $10 million over three years. When Jackson hesitated, the Spurs moved on.

Jackson had no choice but to accept the only offer out there, from Atlanta for $1 million. In response, Sports Illustrated pictured him wearing a dunce cap.

Jackson loves what followed. He proved himself that season, eventually earning the payday he thought he always should have had. He thinks it can happen again now; he says one team called him on the very day the Spurs released him.

It's possible he's right. But NBA teams bet on young talent all the time. How many will want to risk anything on Jackson now?

Golden State took on Richard Jefferson's longer contract, for example, just to avoid Jackson's baggage. And now Popovich — one of the league's best coaches — has given up on him.

Told on Tuesday he might have been better served to be the good soldier on a Finals team, Jackson shook his head. But he didn't give a clear answer why he disagreed with that. He said, simply, things work out for a reason.

Jackson, as the former Spur said years ago, is still “a good-hearted guy.” He also has friends on the team. He says he's seen Gary Neal, and he's texted Duncan and Kawhi Leonard.

Still, many athletes have a hard time admitting when their skills diminish. Jackson, with his pride, can't even consider it has happened to him.

So he flew to Miami on the same day the Spurs did, denying he would be better off if he were with them.

When he would be.

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/columnists/buck_harvey/article/Here-for-fun-Jackson-flies-from-reality-4577343.php?t=ed0bae410f927fc3fb
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals begin Thursday)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2013, 12:27:51 PM
He's gonna be so broke so soon.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals begin Thursday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2013, 11:27:23 PM
As a general rule I detest twitter but sometimes it makes me laugh my ass off.

 
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Roy HibbertVerified account
‏@Hoya2aPacer
Competing against @KingJames @chrisbosh @DwyaneWade was 1 tough challenge. Yall made me a better player n I thank y'all for that. Good luck


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GIFT ‏@Giftaveli 1h
@Hoya2aPacer how u gonna say thanks to niccas on Twitter but head right to the tunnel and not shake they hands after the game? U a cigarillo!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals begin Thursday)
Post by: Mandark on June 05, 2013, 11:33:27 PM
Likewise, I don't think ‏@Giftaveli would be saying that right to Hibbert's face immediately after a game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals begin Thursday)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 06, 2013, 11:02:41 AM
Is Battier hurt? I didn't see him play any in game 7.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals begin Thursday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 06, 2013, 11:48:29 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on June 06, 2013, 11:02:41 AM
Is Battier hurt? I didn't see him play any in game 7.

Nah. Just completely ineffective against the Pacers.



I actually predict the Spurs will win this series in 6 or 7. I just think ultimately the Spurs are a bad finals matchup for the Heat after waffling back and forth on the subject. The length and defense of a team like the Pacers give the Heat fits but I think ultimately the offense of the Spurs will give the Heat an equal amount of problems. They are like a better version of the Mavericks the Heat faced in their first finals. And their defense is pretty darn good too. Maybe if Wade was more on point I think they would have a better chance. When you play a team like the Grizz or Indy at least their offense sucks so you have some opportunities. I'm not sure where the openings will be for Miami outside of Lebron and what he creates which is significant but still...

Still rooting for them though of course.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals begin Thursday)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 06, 2013, 12:25:09 PM
Nah, Indy was by far the toughest possible match up for the heat, and always has been.  I think Heat take this in 6.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals begin Thursday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 06, 2013, 12:28:28 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9348513/denver-nuggets-part-ways-coach-george-karl

Now things are starting to make a bit more sense especially with the Grizzlies and how they are behaving.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals begin Thursday)
Post by: etiolate on June 06, 2013, 03:27:09 PM
Denver gonna lose Exec of the Year, CotY, and Iggy all in one off-season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals begin Thursday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 06, 2013, 05:05:37 PM
Quote from: etiolate on June 06, 2013, 03:27:09 PM
Denver gonna lose Exec of the Year, CotY, and Iggy all in one off-season.

Quote
Kenneth FariedVerified account
‏@KennethFaried35
So we lost a GM now a coach what's next!?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals begin Thursday)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 06, 2013, 05:21:15 PM
denver gonna suck dick next year
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals begin Thursday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 06, 2013, 09:11:08 PM
Dem spurs. Already off to a hot start.

Their offense is just so sophisticated in comparison to the rest of the league.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals begin Thursday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 06, 2013, 09:17:21 PM
I still hate Bosh taking 3's.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals begin Thursday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 06, 2013, 09:22:18 PM
Nice to see offensive oriented basketball after two defensive oriented conference finals.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals begin Thursday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 06, 2013, 09:32:15 PM
Miami looking good so far. They don't have the same energy level and activity as in that game 7 but the difference between defensive execution between Indy and San Antonio is noticeable.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals begin Thursday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 06, 2013, 09:42:58 PM
Miami 3's falling. San Antonio can't close out remotely as quick on those shooters as indy does obviously. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals begin Thursday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 06, 2013, 09:56:07 PM
Duncan abusing Bosh and Birdman.

Miami feels so unchained on offense though. They look like they can play 9 or 10 players easily in a real rotation versus how they had to fear matching up with Indy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals begin Thursday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 06, 2013, 10:05:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiQEqZ-QuUo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta4GHCYkYwY

(http://i41.tinypic.com/2w3s7c4.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 06, 2013, 10:13:42 PM
Halftime. Close first half as expected. Still anybody's game although Miami feels a little more in control. Wade also looks more effective than he was in the prior series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 06, 2013, 10:43:27 PM
Wade use to have a decent little mid-range shot. It's complete shit now for some reason.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 06, 2013, 10:58:08 PM
How dare he leave a team that tried to trade him multiple times. What an asshole.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 06, 2013, 11:02:23 PM
I don't like spoelstra getting cute and having Wade and Lebron on the bench here at the beginning of the 4th.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 06, 2013, 11:10:06 PM
Game reminds me of the Maverick series so far. Extremely close. Neither team able to separate. Will come down to who can execute down the stretch consistently.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 06, 2013, 11:11:10 PM
Fucking Bosh 3's. Dumbest shit ever.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals)
Post by: etiolate on June 06, 2013, 11:12:37 PM
A bit surprised that Miami's bench has been able to outscore the Spurs' bench, but that may be the home court factor.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 06, 2013, 11:18:30 PM
Miami not executing down the stretch here.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 06, 2013, 11:29:50 PM
Stupidest shit ever. Bosh shooting 3's. Who thinks a 6 11 28% career  three point shooter hanging out on the perimeter is smart. He hit a few lucky ones in the playoffs and they think he's a shooter. Unreal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 06, 2013, 11:36:41 PM
Looks like the Spurs take this one. Miami already in a tough situation. I think Spoelstra made some dumb decisions in the 4th quarter including not having Wade or Lebron on the floor to start it and the offense on the floor executed poorly through the quarter. Stop fucking shooting Bosh 3's. I don't know if Spoelstra or Bosh think that's a great idea but it isn't. And its part of the reason they lost this game.

But give credit to the Spurs. They did what they do. Execute.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals)
Post by: etiolate on June 06, 2013, 11:39:46 PM
That Parker shot was so close to a violation. Great play just to keep his dribble alive. The Spurs didn't get good shots on their last two trips, but Parker managed to get one in.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 07, 2013, 12:00:42 AM
Good game

This is the kinda basketball NBA needs.  The league needs to do something about teams that try to junk it up like Memphis and Chicago. 

Despite the loss, the Spurs look like a better matchup for the Heat.  Unfortunately for the Heat, they seem to know this and thus played on cruise control for much of the game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 07, 2013, 12:10:12 AM
One final note before I head off to bed. Bosh has clearly lost his confidence. He's always been as fragile as an egg and he's pretty much cracked. So what coach would think its a good idea to leave him out on the perimeter hoisting 3's where as a player that tall and at Bosh's shooting skill level you would need the absolute most confidence to perform well.


Bosh is 14-50 in his last 5 games. (28%) How long will it take Spoelstra to try something different. He's not going to shoot himself out of this funk in the current situation he is being played. I'll just leave out the non-rebounding he's doing. He shot 54% during the season. You're using him incorrectly especially at his current confidence level. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 07, 2013, 12:16:59 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on June 07, 2013, 12:00:42 AM
Despite the loss, the Spurs look like a better matchup for the Heat.  Unfortunately for the Heat, they seem to know this and thus played on cruise control for much of the game.

Like I said I don't know that they are a better match-up. Clearly on defense San Antonio is a better match-up for the Heat but it reminds me of the Mavs where people (myself included) kept waiting for the Heat to pick it up and before long it was obvious that the Mavericks were actually the better team. Just one game of course but this game so reminded me of some of those Maverick games where it felt like Miami was in control but then suddenly the Mavericks execute properly in the final quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals)
Post by: Mandark on June 07, 2013, 12:19:13 AM
Bosh's confidence wouldn't affect him if you suddenly changed his role from what its been all season?  It'd be nice for the Heat if he could become Raptors Bosh to make up for Wade being hobbled, but I've got serious doubts whether he can flip the switch like that.

Missed more of this game than I wanted to.  Hopefully I'll be able to watch the rest of the series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 07, 2013, 12:21:42 AM
My question is..

why the FUCK did miller play more minutes than battier and birdman?

Great game though, I think thats the sort of game we'll see every game this series.  Gonna go to 7 I think.

If Bosh didn't take that dumb 3-pointer, and instead Lebron drove for the foul/layup against Duncan, this would be a Heat win.  Oh well.  Heat do well usually off of loses.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 07, 2013, 12:24:59 AM
His three points attempts and his perimeter play in the post-season are already up over his regular season averages which were fairly high compared to his career averages.  So he's already playing an exaggerated version of how he played during the regular season with almost all his shots from out deep. It was alright early in the playoffs against lesser competition and also because he was hitting more of them. But it hasn't been effective at all recently so I'd be happy to see any change including less shots instead of him forcing 3 pointers or long shots he's isn't going to make. 

Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 07, 2013, 12:27:13 AM
are you talking about bosh?

Bosh should stick ONLY to that elbow jumper with this team.  Let Allen or Battier shoot those 3s (even though Battier is shooting like shit right now).

Regardless, Lebron should have drove against Duncan that possession.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 07, 2013, 12:30:50 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 07, 2013, 12:27:13 AM
Bosh should stick ONLY to that elbow jumper with this team.

I agree. The philosophy changed however during the course of the season and increasingly so in the the playoffs to feature him as almost a pure perimeter player to facilitate the idea of spreading out the floor and Miami having capable shooters spread all around. 

The main thing is clearly the Pacers and Spurs want him to take that shot relative to the other options on the floor. So they are eager to give it to him. Like what happened late in the game when Lebron passed to him instead of driving in.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 07, 2013, 12:34:19 AM
There'll also be more room inside for Lebron and Wade if Bosh starts hitting his midrange shots.  The Spurs' big men are content to sit back and watch Bosh launch his 3s. 

I wonder if Lebron would start guarding Parker earlier next game.  He did a pretty good job.  Parker's buzzer beater was mostly luck. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 07, 2013, 12:36:03 AM
He will most assuredly do so.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2013, 01:38:17 AM
Good game, can definitely tell both teams match up well. Bosh's three was one of the more baffling moments though, just seemed really odd in contrast to multiple Spurs players turning down similar shots to find a closer/more open teammate.

Duncan is going to feast on him all series, and Birdman too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals)
Post by: Steve Contra on June 07, 2013, 05:36:40 PM
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/07/carmelo-anthony-still-leads-nba-in-playoff-shots/ (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/07/carmelo-anthony-still-leads-nba-in-playoff-shots/)

 :dead

(I thought this was a joke at first)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next game on Sunday 8:00)
Post by: etiolate on June 08, 2013, 04:45:44 PM
stolen from nba-gaf cuz its amazongz

(http://i.minus.com/ie2XlvbSSvYd4.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next game on Sunday 8:00)
Post by: Beezy on June 08, 2013, 06:23:52 PM
Quote from: etiolate on June 08, 2013, 04:45:44 PM
stolen from nba-gaf cuz its amazongz

(http://i.minus.com/ie2XlvbSSvYd4.gif)
:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next game on Sunday 8:00)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2013, 07:41:01 PM
http://www.lakersnation.com/fan-takes-out-full-page-l-a-times-ad-thanking-kobe-bryant/2013/06/09/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next game on Sunday 8:00)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 09, 2013, 07:42:33 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2013, 07:41:01 PM
http://www.lakersnation.com/fan-takes-out-full-page-l-a-times-ad-thanking-kobe-bryant/2013/06/09/

:kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next game on Sunday 8:00)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2013, 07:49:23 PM
Obviously a huge game in a few minutes. Miami has responded pretty well this season when their backs were against the wall and its certainly against it tonight. And they are at home.

But the Spurs are such a consistent team that it makes anything possible.


How many bonehead moves will Spoelstra make tonight and how many three's will Bosh take.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next game on Sunday 8:00)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 09, 2013, 07:50:49 PM
Someone with more disposable income than they should have should take out another full page with that same text, but just overlay this on top of it:

(https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=pjSS61alNs5VtM&tbnid=eRl5jwGSlqGWpM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.the-coli.com%2Fevent-staff%2F112-official-smiley-database-8.html&ei=wBS1UevhBuKy0QGatIDwAg&bvm=bv.47534661,d.dmQ&psig=AFQjCNGIS02M-j_pIi-QFW39hhBe9i4ybg&ust=1370908218245064)

WHY THE FUCK IS TROLLBRON GONE
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next game on Sunday 8:00)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2013, 08:31:21 PM
Amazing how Duncan has turned his free throws into a strength from where it was earlier in his career.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next game on Sunday 8:00)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2013, 08:33:18 PM
Tied after first quarter. Nothing really stood out that much.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next game on Sunday 8:00)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2013, 08:40:06 PM
Miami seems to fall for a lot of San Antonio's pump fakes for some reason.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next game on Sunday 8:00)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2013, 08:48:17 PM
Miami's offense always looks like garbage now with Lebron on the bench.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next game on Sunday 8:00)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2013, 08:59:24 PM
San Antonio's passing is so good. It's going to give Miami fits over and over. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next game on Sunday 8:00)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2013, 09:08:05 PM
Half time. Game was very similar to the first one except with more San Antonio turnovers. Nothing to suggest however this still won't come down to the wire with things being extremely close. A 5 point lead isn't much at all with how these offenses operate.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next game on Sunday 8:00)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 09, 2013, 09:14:09 PM
Yeah,  but... LeBron only has four points.   He will have a huge second half.   Great game so far.   If the spurs hadn't hit so many threes (a few of them fuck ball esque), this would be a double digit lead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next game on Sunday 8:00)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 09, 2013, 09:33:22 PM
Wow lebron is looking more of a liability than anything. How could he not pick up Green there?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next game on Sunday 8:00)
Post by: Huff on June 09, 2013, 09:39:23 PM
lebron and his acting/facial expressions annoy me so much
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next game on Sunday 8:00)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 09, 2013, 09:46:56 PM
To be fair all his fouls have been bullshit
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next game on Sunday 8:00)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2013, 10:03:19 PM
Miami showing something here tonight. Damn impressive.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next game on Sunday 8:00)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 09, 2013, 10:06:29 PM
Can't watch the game tonight but listening to it here and there

It sounds like Spurs were focusing mostly on Lebron and the rest of the Heat took advantage by hitting unchallenged shots

Is that accurate?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next game on Sunday 8:00)
Post by: Huff on June 09, 2013, 10:08:56 PM
holy shit crazy block from james

and this games over
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next game on Sunday 8:00)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 09, 2013, 10:10:32 PM
Holy fucking shit,  best block I've ever seen.  And I thought Hibbert on carmelo was amazing...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next game on Sunday 8:00)
Post by: Huff on June 09, 2013, 10:21:43 PM
oh just call this game. ugly
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next game on Sunday 8:00)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2013, 10:45:57 PM
Not sure what to say about that game. It was close and then Miami went into complete beast mode. That's that extra gear they seem to occasionally display that no team can match.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next game on Sunday 8:00)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2013, 10:53:14 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2013, 10:45:57 PM
Not sure what to say about that game. It was close and then Miami went into complete beast mode. That's that extra gear they seem to occasionally display that no team can match.

Stern must have made the call!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM)
Post by: etiolate on June 10, 2013, 12:02:43 AM
The Spurs are one of the only championship teams that I can think of that you can tell they know when they don't "have it" to win a game and just sort of go into relax mode to finish games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2013, 12:08:46 AM
The odds were heavily with Miami to win that game for various reasons but the way the Spurs got completely taken apart there down the stretch when it seemed to be a fairly winnable game was surprising to me. Especially since Lebron wasn't having a very good game at one point.

Whatever though. It's one game. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2013, 02:45:09 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/kings/2013/06/10/kenny-smith-sacramento-general-manager/2407325/

If the Kings do this lol.

I like Kenny and Charles and I think they make the occasional insightful comment (mixed in with a lot of dumb comments) but no way either of those two should be GM's or coaches.

Maybe Kenny can prove me wrong though. I legit don't think it makes sense for Barkely to move out of the broadcast booth though for lots of reasons.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM)
Post by: etiolate on June 10, 2013, 03:35:30 PM
From the sound of it, Kenny would be the face and someone experienced would guide him along. Evaluating talent is important, but knowing the cap, how to use it and dealing with agents are the part of being a GM that gets forgotten about. I somehow doubt Kenny has any experience with manipulating cap rules.

It could also be this is some lower tier job in the front office. Renadive is probably replacing just about everyone.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2013, 08:37:33 PM
http://www.the-coli.com/coliseum/120998-pistons-fire-mo-cheeks.html#.UbZxN9iLxYU
 :lol

perfect
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2013, 11:57:52 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9363245/lionel-hollins-memphis-grizzlies-parting-ways
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM)
Post by: etiolate on June 11, 2013, 12:04:23 AM
With Hollins and Karl available, does D'Antoni keep his job?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 11, 2013, 03:09:27 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--jason-kidd-leading-candidate-to-get-nets-coaching-job-185329059.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 11, 2013, 03:16:48 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 11, 2013, 03:09:27 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--jason-kidd-leading-candidate-to-get-nets-coaching-job-185329059.html

:larry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 11, 2013, 03:46:12 PM
The universal thing I've heard about Jason Kidd is that he's the nicest guy in the NBA. I don't know how that translates into being a great coach.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 11, 2013, 03:53:34 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on June 11, 2013, 03:46:12 PM
The universal thing I've heard about Jason Kidd is that he's the nicest guy in the NBA.

Except when he's beating his wife.

(http://i41.tinypic.com/2w3s7c4.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 11, 2013, 04:00:57 PM
so he's going to get a coaching job with 0 coaching experience, while Patrick Ewing still can't get a head coaching job?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 11, 2013, 04:13:30 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 11, 2013, 03:53:34 PM

Except when he's beating his wife.



I've watched enough basketball wives reality shows to give him the benefit of the doubt on that one.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM)
Post by: etiolate on June 11, 2013, 04:48:02 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 11, 2013, 04:00:57 PM
so he's going to get a coaching job with 0 coaching experience, while Patrick Ewing still can't get a head coaching job?

Ewing might end up an assistant with the Kings. He just has to wait until the Knicks fire their coach again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 11, 2013, 09:50:06 PM
Miami looking like crap early on.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 11, 2013, 10:08:32 PM
Damn Mike Miller.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 11, 2013, 10:10:59 PM
6 point lead at half for Spurs. Easily could be bigger. Miami has been mostly terrible. Lebron has been mostly terrible with his shot selection at least.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 11, 2013, 10:14:03 PM
Bunch of bad decisions with Lebron tonight

Just way too much hesitation and dribbling while going nowhere


Spurs' transition offense has been excellent so far

Heat is getting burned whenever they don't get back quick enough

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 11, 2013, 10:30:36 PM
btw

Quote
The Game 3 winner in NBA Finals series that are split 1-1 has won the title 12 of 13 times (since the 1985 format change to the 2-3-2 series). That means history is on the side of Tuesday night's winner. The one team to lose the NBA Finals after splitting the first two games and winning Game 3 was the 2011 Heat against the Dallas Mavericks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 11, 2013, 10:33:28 PM
That was such a stupid play by Wade.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 11, 2013, 10:34:23 PM
 Miami getting absolutely worked tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM)
Post by: bachikarn on June 11, 2013, 10:44:28 PM
lol, this would be an absolute blow out if not for Miller
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Huff on June 11, 2013, 11:09:55 PM
this is brutal
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Your Stalker on June 11, 2013, 11:12:25 PM
damn, this shit cray
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM)
Post by: naff on June 11, 2013, 11:20:30 PM
 :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Flannel Boy on June 11, 2013, 11:22:51 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 11, 2013, 11:22:12 PM
Tracy McGrady needs to score in the Finals.
:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 11, 2013, 11:23:02 PM
 :noah
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM)
Post by: etiolate on June 11, 2013, 11:32:46 PM
spurs just let it rain
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 11, 2013, 11:38:07 PM
Spurs' Big 3 had a combined 25 points. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 11, 2013, 11:52:59 PM
It looks over for the Heat

Hard to imagine them taking 3 out of the next 4
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 11, 2013, 11:54:52 PM
:rofl yeeeessssss
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 12, 2013, 12:09:19 AM
damn :lol

that was pathetic by miami
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2013, 12:09:38 AM
Where's Stoney?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 12, 2013, 12:20:28 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2013, 12:09:38 AM
Where's Stoney?

I hopped on battlefield after my last post to take out my aggressions. It was obvious Miami didn't have it tonight and were going to get worked at that point. At halftime they could and should have been down by 20. They were playing that poorly.

They are in deep shit. And I think the Spurs are the better team. Just like the Mavericks were.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Thursday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2013, 10:04:41 PM
https://vine.co/v/bYKP9QbgXnA
 :aah
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Thursday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Huff on June 13, 2013, 10:20:04 PM
(http://d3fsqtc6sy2z27.cloudfront.net/uploads/b1a2cbd0ce7196c79adf023ac5149cf5_large)

#boshflop
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Thursday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 14, 2013, 12:10:57 AM
I didn't actually get a chance to watch this game unfortunately. Something came up. Looking at the Box score it seems like Wade finally had a good game and the big three in general all played well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Sunday 9:00 PM)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 14, 2013, 12:17:57 AM
great game!!!!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Sunday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 14, 2013, 12:25:47 AM
Lebron, you will give the Heat an ideal to strive towards.  Your teammates will race behind you, they will stumble, they will fall. But in time, they will join you in the sun. In time, you will help them accomplish wonders

Did the rest of the Heat finally join Lebron in the sun? 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Sunday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 14, 2013, 01:07:49 AM
:ohhh

https://twitter.com/RealSkipBayless
@RealSkipBayless

Uh-oh, LeBron wore his camouflage vest to the game. Soldier Mode. That must've been why Spurs had no chance.
9:32 PM - 13 Jun 2013

LeBron just scored 9 in last 4 minutes of a blowout (including a 3 w/ 22 secs left) vs Nando de Colo and Matt Bonner. Now that's greatness.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Sunday 9:00 PM)
Post by: etiolate on June 14, 2013, 04:05:48 AM
Wade had a great game. He hasn't had two great games in a row for  a long time though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Sunday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 14, 2013, 12:27:34 PM
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/9384172/doc-rivers-los-angeles-clippers-mutual-interest-sources-say

As far as the finals series, who knows. I bounce around from game to game. It seems like either team could win which is good for basketball.


(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7396/9037072661_bce3f6bf77_o.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Sunday 9:00 PM)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 14, 2013, 01:02:24 PM
i ain't mad
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Sunday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 14, 2013, 03:11:29 PM
Looking at Miami last 11 games in the playoffs which dates back to the start of the pacer series, its been alternating Win then loss every game. They haven't won (or lost for that matter) 2 games in a row since the Chicago series. It's been a very inconsistent stretch which obviously is partly due to the level of competition.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Sunday 9:00 PM)
Post by: etiolate on June 16, 2013, 01:24:04 AM
Quote
The Sacramento Kings has reached an agreement in principle to make Denver VP Pete D'Alessandro its general manager, league sources tell Y!

I get the feeling the Kings will be pursuing Iggy in Free Agency. The question is whether they can afford him. They'd need to amnesty Salmons and it may endanger resigning Tyreke.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Sunday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 16, 2013, 03:35:16 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--celtics-in-trade-talks-to-send-doc-rivers--kevin-garnett-to-clippers-201709995.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Sunday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 16, 2013, 12:36:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PlMzCn8UN0
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Sunday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 16, 2013, 09:42:55 PM
Careless play by Wade. Just got in about 5 minutes ago.

The way Miami/Wade is playing green.  :piss2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Sunday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 16, 2013, 09:52:44 PM
Miami blowing easy transition baskets.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Sunday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 16, 2013, 10:02:30 PM
Game so close. I feel like Lebron and Wade almost have to play the rest of the game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Sunday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 16, 2013, 10:05:13 PM
Miami just not consistent enough to hang here. Way too many mistakes and awful defensive lapses.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Sunday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 16, 2013, 10:09:02 PM
Awful collapse that probably lost them the game there at the end of the 3rd quarter. Looks like Miami will have to win 2 at home.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Sunday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 16, 2013, 10:16:13 PM
Once again Ray Allen killed the Heat on D

I wonder if he'll get less minutes for the remaining game/s
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Sunday 9:00 PM)
Post by: pilonv1 on June 16, 2013, 10:21:39 PM
San Antonio is just unreal
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Sunday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Rman on June 16, 2013, 10:27:38 PM
Ray is done really. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Sunday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 16, 2013, 10:31:07 PM
If Miami is to have any chance, their defensive plans better assume that Danny Green will continue to be on fire
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Sunday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 16, 2013, 10:34:02 PM
get Diaw off the court lmao
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Sunday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Huff on June 16, 2013, 10:42:31 PM
It's like ray allen saw all the shit talking being done in here
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Sunday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Your Stalker on June 16, 2013, 10:44:45 PM
shuttlesworth gives no fucks
lelbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Sunday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 16, 2013, 10:45:35 PM
Miami defensive lapses combined with San Antonio's great execution is what seems to be doing them in this series. And Miami's habit of taking it easy and then playing hard and aggressive at stretches is also dooming them. If they want to win the next two games they have play locked in and focused from the tip and most of the game. That's their only chance.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Sunday 9:00 PM)
Post by: pilonv1 on June 16, 2013, 11:10:33 PM
Quote from: Rman on June 16, 2013, 10:27:38 PM
Ray is done really. 

way to konex
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Sunday 9:00 PM)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 16, 2013, 11:27:22 PM
LeBron was super passive tonight
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Sunday 9:00 PM)
Post by: naff on June 16, 2013, 11:28:06 PM
Put money on the Spurs winning in seven before the series started. If this pattern continues I'm set
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 17, 2013, 01:09:46 AM
(http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/51ba2667eab8ea1f7b000036-800-457/untitled-1-640.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Mandark on June 17, 2013, 02:10:27 AM
On the BS report they mentioned that LeBron's average shot distance has increased in every round of the playoffs.  By the third quarter he was looking seriously gassed.

If the Spurs manage to close this out, that Greg Popovich fine from the regular season might be the best quarter million dollars spent by an NBA team in decades.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 17, 2013, 02:13:47 AM
Skip is that you?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Mandark on June 17, 2013, 02:22:21 AM
You're the one saying LeBron is being "passive" and I'm Skip?

Morees pls.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 17, 2013, 02:52:51 AM
I'm not sure what to say about the heat. Even if they come back and win the title which seems unlikely at the moment it just seems the team has a lot of flaws that both the Pacers and Spurs and the Mavericks from a couple of years ago have exposed. It's elite level flaws that only matter against the very best teams but they still matter. It's not all the same flaws in some cases but the inability to cover the 3 against ball movement is one.

It seems like they got lucky running into the Thunder last year who is a team very similar to them. Very athletic. Not the best system in the world. Not the best coach in the world. And they out gunned them.

They've stumbled against two great systems with two great coaches in the Spurs and the Mavericks.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 17, 2013, 03:06:10 AM
I also think Spoelstra is scrambling around with substitutions trying to find anything that works. He has no clue at this point. Mike Miller has played 46 minutes in the last two games. 0 points.

Birdman has been banished to Joel Anthony land with 2 straight DNP even though Manu and Parker were strolling to the rim tonight.

Spoelstra rarely makes any good in game adjustments. It's all reactions from the prior game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 17, 2013, 11:59:11 AM
I don't know, I think both coaches have been great all series in between games.  I feel this has been a chess match by the coaches moreseo than any of the players stepping up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 17, 2013, 12:02:09 PM
Lebron having to do so much against the Pacers and the Spurs getting an extra week of rest are probably the biggest reasons why the Heat are down 3-2.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 17, 2013, 12:04:16 PM
The heat don't deserve the title. They aren't the better team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Mandark on June 17, 2013, 12:09:49 PM
Deserves got nothing to do with it.

I think the Heat circa the streak were the best team in the league, but peaking during a point in the regular season doesn't get you the title.  Wade, Battier, and I think LeBron are worse now than they were then, and not just because of how the Spurs have been playing them.  When you factor in last year's compressed schedule and title run, the Olympics eating into any offseason recovery, and another run to the finals against some really physical teams, it's not surprising that they're really hurting or fatigued.

And yeah, "nobody's 100% at this point in the season" but there's a difference between carrying a bit more soreness and, for example, what Steph Curry was dealing with after the first game of the GSW/SAS series.  Pop's management of the team's minutes (and the extra burn it gave for bench players who might have to occasionally take on bigger roles) during the regular season has probably benefited the team in the Finals as much as any decisions he's made during the series itself.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 17, 2013, 12:20:13 PM
and its still motherfucking game 6 with no guarantee the spurs are gonna win it.  ya'll need to stop jumping to conclusions
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 17, 2013, 02:33:25 PM
I don't think hurt or fatigue have anything to do with putting Ray Allen on Danny Green or having LeBron not be more aggressive offensively. The Spurs seem to just be a better overall team, and so far the Heat haven't really adjusted.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 17, 2013, 03:24:31 PM
I just think the Spurs play really good basketball. Very solid all around with amazing ball movement on offense. That's going to be tough to beat no matter what and ball movement has always been kryptonite to the Heat.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Mandark on June 17, 2013, 03:25:44 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 17, 2013, 02:33:25 PM
I don't think hurt or fatigue have anything to do with putting Ray Allen on Danny Green or having LeBron not be more aggressive offensively.

LeBron took 15 of his 22 shots in the paint?  Plus he had 9 FTA's, almost his total from the first four games?  His problem wasn't getting to the rim, it was finishing there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 18, 2013, 11:17:48 AM
Joey Crawford reffing tonight. Guess we know who's going to win  :shaq2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 18, 2013, 12:40:04 PM
lol at espn's lead story on espn/nba right now

ARE THE HEAT A BUST

Come on now.  Three finals appearances, one of them being one of the most exciting Finals in recent memory? (this one)

the fuck espn
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 18, 2013, 12:42:39 PM
spo needs to realize miller in the starting five just doesn't work

starting lineup should be:

Chalmers
Wade
Lebron
Battier
Bosh

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 18, 2013, 12:46:01 PM
I'm not sure what Heat need outside of a monster game from Wade, Lebron. I would definitely expect Birdman to play more. And the heat have to be aggressive from jump. Not go through that shitty feeling out process they seem to start every game with.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 18, 2013, 01:07:57 PM
I don't expect a game 6 versus celtics type of lebron, but I do expect 30+ points for him.  He was getting good looks inside last game just not hitting a damn thing.  Maybe Crawford will call the fouls more often in this game than the last.  That's not a favorable thing but Lebron does rely on that quite a bit.

They also need a fresh miller and allen.  Have those two come off the bench near the end of the first to counter anything green has piled on.  Spo's reasoning for starting miller was logical but still unwise – counter danny green with your own solid 3-point shooter.  And yet, Miller has been too focused on defense as a starter to get any decent looks.

Birdman on the inside with rebounds is key too.

I expect a pretty easy win for the Heat tonight, to be honest...97-89 Heat or something like that.  Not "easy" but a comfortable win.

Game 7 is gonna be bananas though
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 18, 2013, 01:15:19 PM
Heat will win, LeBron will get 21p/10r/9a or something like that and be praised. IE the type of performance the media would kill him for if the Heat lost.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 18, 2013, 03:03:39 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 18, 2013, 03:16:59 PM
The ESPN stories are not surprising because J.A. Adande and Ramona Shelburne are both LA based writers and Kobe/Lakers fans

It's interesting that ESPN would have two LA homers writing on the Heat's struggles when they have more qualified people readily available
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: etiolate on June 18, 2013, 09:33:42 PM
Do they really? They have guys like Broussard who is another LA Kobe guy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 18, 2013, 09:39:40 PM
That lebron "2" was definitely a three.  Not to mention he got fouled on that last possession.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 18, 2013, 10:11:11 PM
Diaw with a beautiful pass. I wish Bill Walton was commentating the game :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 18, 2013, 10:15:43 PM
Perfect example of why young bigs need to play like bigs

I'll take two feet shots any day over jumpers
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 18, 2013, 10:30:00 PM
No matter how much intensity. How much desire the Heat bring. It doesn't ultimately matter. The Spurs simply play better basketball especially on the offensive side. It took me the whole series to realize that against the mavs so I wasn't unprepared or shocked by it this time around with the Spurs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 18, 2013, 10:55:30 PM
well I didn't expect this

Spurs have been balling ever since Manu was benched.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 18, 2013, 10:59:21 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 18, 2013, 10:55:30 PM
well I didn't expect this

Spurs have been balling ever since Manu was benched.

This was just as feasible as any other outcome. Spurs have outplayed them to a larger degree than even the Mavs did.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 18, 2013, 11:02:03 PM
You can't be complaining on the ground all the time and not run back for defense. Shit is childish.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: etiolate on June 18, 2013, 11:06:27 PM
Yeah, but I enjoy it since it draws attention to how terrible officiating is in the NBA. Nothing like the league shitting down its own throat in the biggest game of the year.

:clap Joey Crawford
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: etiolate on June 18, 2013, 11:19:23 PM
Spurs starting to get sucked into a fastbreak game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 18, 2013, 11:21:26 PM
Do or die time. Miami does seem to be playing better here in the 4th.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 18, 2013, 11:22:44 PM
This has been some hella 4th quarter ball here so far. Intense as fuck.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 18, 2013, 11:24:50 PM
spoelstra:

"Stay the course"
"Grind"

 :shaq2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 18, 2013, 11:40:56 PM
Amazing parker shots.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 18, 2013, 11:41:35 PM
Tony Parker is fucking unreal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 18, 2013, 11:44:30 PM
And that is game. Lebron unfortunately out of control on those last two plays. Congratz Spurs. 5th title for Duncan. Darn impressive career.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: bachikarn on June 18, 2013, 11:44:33 PM
They should never changed the lineup that was kicking ass.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: etiolate on June 18, 2013, 11:45:01 PM
hate boners for lebron all over the place
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 18, 2013, 11:45:41 PM
 :sabu
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 18, 2013, 11:50:55 PM
wow
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 18, 2013, 11:52:17 PM
Amazing
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 18, 2013, 11:52:52 PM
wtf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: etiolate on June 18, 2013, 11:53:08 PM
That replay ended up screwing the Spurs. Much easier to get a transition basket going with a quick in-bounds.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 18, 2013, 11:57:00 PM
It was such an obvious three, and the line ref was right there lol. On the plus side it allowed the Spurs to plan their play
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 18, 2013, 11:58:45 PM
Why not call some plays where you have screens for Lebron or wade here to drive.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 18, 2013, 11:59:40 PM
I really enjoy JVG's casting
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2013, 12:02:28 AM
I have to give him credit. Bosh has been ballin out there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2013, 12:05:02 AM
Does Spoelstra ever actually call a play on timeouts that isn't just an iso?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2013, 12:09:43 AM
Like a fucking BOSH!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2013, 12:11:37 AM
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2w3s7c4.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2013, 12:13:16 AM
BOSH!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Mandark on June 19, 2013, 12:14:14 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2013, 12:13:16 AM
BOSH SHOULD BE TRADED!

:teehee
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Bebpo on June 19, 2013, 12:14:33 AM
I don't even watch basketball but that was a crazy comeback.  Impressive job on the Heat.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2013, 12:15:33 AM
It was sloppy. It was messy. The plays were fucking ugly. The superstars on both sides hit amazing shots and flubbed a ton of others.

But it was fucking intense and emotional basketball. Amazing crazy stuff. 

Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 18, 2013, 11:44:30 PM
And that is game. Lebron unfortunately out of control on those last two plays. Congratz Spurs. 5th title for Duncan. Darn impressive career.

 :ufup
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: bachikarn on June 19, 2013, 12:15:39 AM
I will never talk shit about Bosh again
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2013, 12:16:14 AM
Fans are going to complain about bad calls in OT but the Spurs coughed that up. Should never have gone to OT.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Next Finals game Tuesday 9:00 PM. Do or Die Game 6)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2013, 12:17:56 AM
Quote from: bachikarn on June 19, 2013, 12:15:39 AM
I will never talk shit about Bosh again

I will but for one night I will pretend I won't. Bosh was a boss tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2013, 12:24:26 AM
Man, my adrenaline is still pumping. This must be what crack feels like.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Beezy on June 19, 2013, 12:32:28 AM
Best game of the season. I have no predictions for Thursday. Its anyone's game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 19, 2013, 12:33:07 AM
My bad, Ray, for calling you east-coast Derek Fisher

You still got some game left

This one was a classic

Hopefully the finale will be just as great
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 19, 2013, 12:43:15 AM
Spurs should be killing themselves if they can't win this championship

It's obvious by now that they're the better team

Spurs have been able to get easy shots most of the time, even in OT

On the other end, they've been almost as successful in forcing the Heat to make tough shots
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Beezy on June 19, 2013, 12:47:03 AM
Man, stop bitching. Awesomo, not you Smooth.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2013, 12:49:52 AM
AWESOM-O has actually been okay tonight all things considered. Kinda funny actually.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Beezy on June 19, 2013, 12:51:17 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 19, 2013, 12:48:40 AM
Quote from: Beezy on June 19, 2013, 12:47:03 AM
Man, stop bitching

What else do you do when something like this happens? This is the modern equivalent of Xerxes burning down your village.
:beli
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2013, 12:53:53 AM
Hey I thought it would be 50 posts about that no call on Ginobili so its actually been a pleasant surprise.


I guess if maybe Tebow got to the Superbowl and lost I would gloat a bit myself...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Beezy on June 19, 2013, 12:55:34 AM
Ginobli traveled like crazy leading up to the no call so it evens out
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Your Stalker on June 19, 2013, 01:03:13 AM
if only kawaii and manu hit those ft's.  I don't think my heart can take watching game 7.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2013, 01:06:12 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdV0XsrWl8g

This was still so pretty. I can't believe he had the balls to take that shot then.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 19, 2013, 01:13:03 AM
Parker took that 3 because time was running out and Lebron didn't give him room to drive

Great decision making


That's one area Lebron could still learn from Parker

Lebron gave a great effort tonight but he made too many bad decisions

If a long 2 off the dribble is the best shot he can create, he should just let someone else shoot

Part of this is on Spoelstra,  I think it's pretty clear that Lebron can't bring up the ball on every play

This just give the Spurs too much time to focus on Lebron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: etiolate on June 19, 2013, 01:14:50 AM
I do worry sometimes that Lebron listens to his critics too much. He is better driving into the lane, but if you can shoot and it's there then punish them for giving you space.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 19, 2013, 01:15:13 AM
jesus christ awesome-o

if kobe was lebron in this circumstance the narrative from you would be so much different

the fact of the matter: this was the best game of the entire season, if you ask me.  stars stepped up on both ends, bench players made plays on both ends, and mistakes were made...on both ends.

it was the most equal game I've seen in a while.  Game 7 comes, and I don't know what the fuck to expect;
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2013, 01:15:23 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on June 19, 2013, 01:13:03 AM
That's one area Lebron could still learn from Parker

Lebron gave a great effort tonight but he made too many bad decisions

If a long 2 off the dribble is the best shot he can create, he should just let someone else shoot

Part of this is on Spoelstra,  I think it's pretty clear that Lebron can't bring up the ball on every play

This just give the Spurs too much time to focus on Lebron

Agreed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2013, 01:23:15 AM
https://twitter.com/TheGoodfella_/status/347220504060502016/photo/1
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2013, 01:27:42 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/dTHGeTy.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 19, 2013, 01:33:32 AM
Quote from: etiolate on June 19, 2013, 01:14:50 AM
I do worry sometimes that Lebron listens to his critics too much. He is better driving into the lane, but if you can shoot and it's there then punish them for giving you space.

Lebron's outside shot is much improved but at this stage, he's far more accurate with set shots than dribble Js
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 19, 2013, 01:38:15 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcnoUYsXiT0

The bar I was at went fucking insane for this :lawd

this is why we watch sports, dudes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 19, 2013, 09:16:43 AM
Crazy game. I almost turned it off when the Spurs were shooting free throws with under a minute left. I'm glad I didn't.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Steve Contra on June 19, 2013, 11:55:13 AM
Man that was about the most :skip game I've ever seen.  Too many narratives for 4 quarters to contain!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 19, 2013, 12:45:20 PM
HEY WAIT A MINUTE

where the fuck is cormac?  his boy ray allen saved the heat last night.  I've missed him during these playoffs!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Steve Contra on June 19, 2013, 12:49:42 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 19, 2013, 12:45:20 PM
HEY WAIT A MINUTE

where the fuck is cormac?  his boy ray allen saved the heat last night.  I've missed him during these playoffs!
Beef poisoning :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 19, 2013, 12:51:35 PM
for real?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 19, 2013, 01:32:51 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 19, 2013, 12:48:40 AM
Quote from: Beezy on June 19, 2013, 12:47:03 AM
Man, stop bitching

What else do you do when something like this happens? This is the modern equivalent of Xerxes burning down your village.

...don't be such a fucking lunacidal fanthing?  :yeshrug
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 19, 2013, 01:38:18 PM
Nice tread title change.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2013, 01:44:07 PM
Is Cormac okay? I just assumed he hadn't been posting due to being busy at work or life or something.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Steve Contra on June 19, 2013, 01:47:12 PM
He's taking some time off from the bore.  He's fine otherwise.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2013, 02:17:33 PM
I know I've spent too much time on The Bore when a serious post about beef poisoning automatically fills my head with sexual euphemisms. Hope he gets better soon.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 19, 2013, 02:22:28 PM
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/66008/10-key-thoughts-on-the-greatest-most-insane-nba-finals-game-in-years (http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/66008/10-key-thoughts-on-the-greatest-most-insane-nba-finals-game-in-years)

Zach Lowe :lawd

love his articles
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Mandark on June 19, 2013, 02:59:53 PM
Zach Lowe's stuff on Grantland this year has been zomg fantastic.  Just awesome detailed coverage that touches on every (non-Skip) aspect of the game.  All he needs to do now is stop getting his jimmies constantly rustled on Twitter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Steve Contra on June 19, 2013, 03:46:00 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1678528-chris-bosh-tells-fans-who-left-game-6-early-to-stay-home-for-game-7?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1678528-chris-bosh-tells-fans-who-left-game-6-early-to-stay-home-for-game-7?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2013, 04:18:09 PM
Spurs are done IMO. You can't drop the ball like that and come back in game 7, on the road.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Steve Contra on June 19, 2013, 04:19:04 PM
Bring back :skip goddamnit :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2013, 04:25:46 PM
LeBron had a decent game, but the main factor was the Spurs effectively handing him their spurs. I think they realized it wasn't to be with 30 seconds left, and took their bow into the history books.
(http://imageshack.us/a/img507/3374/skip1n.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 19, 2013, 05:03:57 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2013, 04:18:09 PM
Spurs are done IMO. You can't drop the ball like that and come back in game 7, on the road.

That's a pretty common prediction right now but as this series has shown, momentum usually doesn't continue into the next game
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 19, 2013, 05:07:14 PM
who the fuck knows what game 7 will bring

the best prediction for game 7: I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: naff on June 20, 2013, 02:11:10 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on June 19, 2013, 05:03:57 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2013, 04:18:09 PM
Spurs are done IMO. You can't drop the ball like that and come back in game 7, on the road.

That's a pretty common prediction right now but as this series has shown, momentum usually doesn't continue into the next game

I want to believe, I will have so many feels if the Spurs lose this. I want them to win, and Duncan, Ginobili and Parker to retire TOGETHER in a glorious triumph. It would be sad but amazing.

On another note fuck the timing of these games, at least have 1 Friday/Saturday game. In NZ we play Rugby at the proper time (Friday and Saturday evenings) so you can get pissed and yell at the TV.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: treythemovie on June 20, 2013, 03:10:55 AM
The most exciting game of these playoffs since the Bulls somehow beat the Nets.

Horribly officiated but what else can you expect from Joey Crawford.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 20, 2013, 10:46:10 AM
Awesom-O is going to kill someone tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 20, 2013, 08:14:56 PM
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/66101/everything-matters-how-to-understand-and-enjoy-game-7-of-the-nba-finals (http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/66101/everything-matters-how-to-understand-and-enjoy-game-7-of-the-nba-finals)

Another great great piece by Lowe.  Goddamn, get this man some pussy.  He deserves it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Flannel Boy on June 20, 2013, 09:34:09 PM
Tie game.  :o
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Flannel Boy on June 20, 2013, 09:48:20 PM
For a second, I thought Cal Ripken was Michael Chiklis.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 20, 2013, 10:46:01 PM
bench Danny Green :pacspit
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Huff on June 20, 2013, 11:01:47 PM
I'm thinking they should guard James
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Flannel Boy on June 20, 2013, 11:31:03 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 20, 2013, 10:46:10 AM
Awesom-O is going to kill someone tonight.
Please be me!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Flannel Boy on June 20, 2013, 11:33:06 PM
fuuuu
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Flannel Boy on June 20, 2013, 11:41:31 PM
Only Dirk can beat Miami.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Flannel Boy on June 20, 2013, 11:47:58 PM
Congrats Miami.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 20, 2013, 11:48:20 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 20, 2013, 10:46:10 AM
Awesom-O is going to kill someone tonight.

.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 20, 2013, 11:49:52 PM
AWESOME-O ARE YOU OK

DOES THE END OF KOBE'S CAREER HURT WORSE THAN THIS
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Your Stalker on June 20, 2013, 11:50:01 PM
The Heat finally have a real chip. /salt
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 20, 2013, 11:50:18 PM
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2w3s7c4.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: etiolate on June 20, 2013, 11:50:24 PM
Somewhat anti-climatic. It looks like Danny Green was supposed to be in the corner on that Manu drive, but the timing was off, and Manu left his feet like he always does.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Akala on June 20, 2013, 11:52:39 PM
Good series.  :D
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: etiolate on June 20, 2013, 11:53:46 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 20, 2013, 11:49:03 PM
If Emergence Day occurred under American Airlines Arena and just swallowed up both teams, and all the Heat fans, that wouldn't be a bad thing.

I hope your sister gives you syphillis, BrandNew.

Why would BrandNew want his sister? She hasn't dumped him for another guy yet.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2013, 12:02:51 AM
James  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 21, 2013, 12:06:19 AM
What can you say. Very impressive. I'm still not sure I believe the Heat are better than the Spurs but what does it matter. They pulled together and won a title against a great team and a great coach. This one is more impressive than the Thunder one simply because it was so much harder and against a completely different style.

Spurs played hard as fuck. Gotta give them a lot of props too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7. Thursday 9:00 PM. Deserve got nothing to do with it)
Post by: Himu on June 21, 2013, 12:07:24 AM
what did lebron do?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 21, 2013, 12:11:16 AM
Quote
Skip Bayless ‏@RealSkipBayless 10m
In the end, the Spurs lost these Finals more than the Heat won.

(http://imageshack.us/a/img507/3374/skip1n.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 21, 2013, 12:12:32 AM
jesus christ shinobi, fucking relax

also fuck skip bayless
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 21, 2013, 12:23:04 AM
Not sure if the better team won but at least AwesomeO got what he deserved

(http://cdn3.sbnation.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/10416439/lebronnn.0_standard_500.0.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 21, 2013, 12:23:20 AM
Quote
The history books will not be kind to the Heat. They won a ring on a shortened season and on a fluke game six that will never happen again in NBA history.

Quote
The history books are written by Nike and ESPN. They will slob the Heat.

Quote
Except game 6 where he threw the game away in the fourth, bricked a three, etc.

Quote
Congratulations Heat.
Congratulations for Final MVP Manu.

Quote
superteam winning it all and getting slobbered all over like it was anything special, so sad

Quote
Let the ESPN blow jobs begin.

Quote
Awful.

I hate the Spurs. I hated rooting for them. But I hate them even more for validating the Decision.

Quote
Chalmers traveled

Quote
He's still a bitch for running to Miami doe. Magic, MJ, Bird, and Kobe didn't have to run to another players team to chip.

Quote
If it was not for his offensive rebound in game 6, they would not be champions right now.

Quote
Fuck the Heat. A team with three all stars beat a team that features geriatrics, journeymen, and role players. Congratulations on that. It took a shortened season and a game six fluke that will never be repeated in NBA Finals history again. I can sleep soundly tonight knowing that there's no way in hell the Heat will win another title because Bosh is shot and Wade won't be able to stay healthy.

(http://i.minus.com/i8zSjI8UZHZIw.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2013, 12:27:57 AM
I wish Twitter was around when Celtic and Laker all star teams were winning nonstop rings. Actually nm, I see enough n-word tweets as is.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: Mandark on June 21, 2013, 12:30:26 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2013, 12:27:57 AM
I wish Twitter was around when Celtic and Laker all star teams were winning nonstop rings. Actually nm, I see enough n-word tweets as is.

Imagine Twitter circa the Patrick Ewing Hoyas.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 21, 2013, 12:40:00 AM
Lakers fans are in suicide mode not only because Bron won a 2nd but also cuz he killed the myth of Kobe being more clutch
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: Himu on June 21, 2013, 01:02:26 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on June 21, 2013, 12:23:04 AM
Not sure if the better team won but at least AwesomeO got what he deserved

(http://cdn3.sbnation.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/10416439/lebronnn.0_standard_500.0.jpg)

I can't hate lebron anymore :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 21, 2013, 01:15:28 AM
Kind of a decent example in media narratives.

Tony Parker was 9 of 35 in the last two games. Obviously some of that is due to the injury. Some of that is due to Lebron guarding him, etc. He will be criticized but imagine the stories and narratives if Lebron had gone 9 of 35 in the last two games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 21, 2013, 01:28:47 AM
The meds are working.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 21, 2013, 01:39:51 AM
Looking at the Heat payroll for next year is interersting. You will essentially have the same team except for Birdman.  They will somehow have to convince him to take far less than his market value is probably worth after the season he had.

They also have a decision to make about Mike Miller. You are paying him 6.2 million next year and 6.6 the final year of his contract which is a player option.

That's a decent amount of money for essentially a 3pt specialist during the playoffs but he has been effective at it. Last season 31-75 from beyond the arc in the playoffs. This season somewhat less attempts but still the same high percentage at 16-32 (not sure if that includes his 0-4 tonight. Probably not)

I have a feeling the sense of keeping the team intact will mean they keep him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 21, 2013, 01:53:44 AM
Quote
Heat Franchise Laughs In Nation’s Stupid Fucking Faces For 10 Minutes

MIAMI—After winning their second consecutive NBA championship, members of the Miami Heat reportedly spent 10 minutes Thursday laughing in the nation’s stupid fucking pathetic faces. “Ha, ha, ha,” said Heat small forward LeBron James, who stuck out his tongue, pointed at television cameras, playfully shoved his snickering teammates, and cackled wildly at every goddamn miserable lump of shit in America. “Oh my God, my sides hurt from laughing at all those dumbfucks.” At press time, the Miami Heat announced plans for a nationwide victory parade, visiting every city to laugh right in your disappointed fucking faces.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/heat-franchise-laughs-in-nations-stupid-fucking-fa,32907/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 21, 2013, 02:20:38 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/F95Z3Nx.png)

Not clutch my fucking ass.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: Takuan on June 21, 2013, 10:37:25 AM
Does Pimpwerx post here? He's banned at all the forums and IRC channels he used to frequent. I owe him money.

Fuck the Heat.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: Himu on June 21, 2013, 11:15:45 AM
Tak, did Jobber pay you?! :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 21, 2013, 11:18:55 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 21, 2013, 02:20:38 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/F95Z3Nx.png)

Not clutch my fucking ass.

Guys, where's Kobe

 :gladbron

I DON'T SEE KOBE

 :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: Takuan on June 21, 2013, 11:25:12 AM
Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on June 21, 2013, 11:15:45 AM
Tak, did Jobber pay you?! :lol
I didn't have a bet with Jobber. If that was a joke at his expense, I missed it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: Himu on June 21, 2013, 12:00:05 PM
Quote from: Takuan on June 21, 2013, 11:25:12 AM
Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on June 21, 2013, 11:15:45 AM
Tak, did Jobber pay you?! :lol
I didn't have a bet with Jobber. If that was a joke at his expense, I missed it.

you said the other day on irc "where's jobber I owe him 100 dollars"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: Takuan on June 21, 2013, 12:26:43 PM
Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on June 21, 2013, 12:00:05 PM
Quote from: Takuan on June 21, 2013, 11:25:12 AM
Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on June 21, 2013, 11:15:45 AM
Tak, did Jobber pay you?! :lol
I didn't have a bet with Jobber. If that was a joke at his expense, I missed it.

you said the other day on irc "where's jobber I owe him 100 dollars"
Probably a brainfart. I lost my second bet of three with Pimp. He won the tie-breaker.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 21, 2013, 02:52:13 PM
Random stuff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8WOmDo_CfU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCaaOlV6YX8

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5515/9098587544_f06ffbaa30_o.gif)


(http://i.imgur.com/xScYNq9.jpg)



Quote from: The Onion
Heat Fans Wake Up To Learn Team Won Game 7
SPORTS NEWS IN BRIEF • Sports • NBA Basketball • ISSUE 49•25 • Jun 21, 201

MIAMI—A number of self-proclaimed “big Miami Heat fans” woke up this morning, turned on the local news, and were reportedly thrilled to learn that their team won Game 7 of the NBA Finals last night, sources confirmed Friday. “So they won the trophy?” said 47-year-old Coral Gables resident Frank Gardner, echoing the sentiments of millions of die-hard Heat fans throughout the area, who went on to note that they started watching the team more since the franchise acquired “LeBron James and Chris Bush [sic].” “We turned in early last night, so this was just great news to wake up to. So what does this mean for them now? Do they move on, or how does it work? I'm excited.” When told of the victory, a number of members of the Heat Nation said they love Shaquille O’Neal, think he’s a character, and that he must have played very well last night for the Heat to have won.

Quote
NBA Finals Game 7 on ABC – the Miami Heat defeated the San Antonio Spurs in a thriller to repeat as NBA Champions – delivered a 17.7 overnight rating, according to Nielsen. This is the second highest-rated NBA game in ABC history. The telecast peaked at a 22.6 from 11:30 p.m. – 11:45 p.m. ET.
Game 7 is also expected to mark the 37thconsecutive time an NBA Finals telecast has won the night for all of television and is the 25th straight time it has delivered double-digit overnight ratings.
The game generated a 44.2 metered market rating in Miami, making it the highest-rated NBA game ever in the market. Additionally, Game 7 scored big in San Antonio with a 46.4.
The 2013 NBA Finals averaged a 12.4 metered market rating, up five percent from an 11.8 for the 2012 NBA Finals.
In addition, the Kia NBA Countdown pre-game show scored a strong 5.4 overnight rating.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: Steve Contra on June 21, 2013, 03:01:23 PM
Duncan and Popovich :heart

Fucking excellent series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: Steve Contra on June 21, 2013, 04:22:22 PM
http://www.buzzfeed.com/bml/611-nba-champion-gets-taken-down-by-tiny-piece-of-paper (http://www.buzzfeed.com/bml/611-nba-champion-gets-taken-down-by-tiny-piece-of-paper)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 21, 2013, 04:36:48 PM
 ^ :lol :lol :lol

https://vines.s3.amazonaws.com/v/videos/756B9260-EF57-4FAA-ACF7-AA3D26CE93D5-4924-0000063CDA3B4813_114d41faef1.1.2.mp4?versionId=faL4vDGW4yUhrKxXb.FpAWg48KhfvM3t
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 21, 2013, 09:27:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpHBt-cMFM8
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2013, 11:00:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa4kL7QkCv8
:rejoice

"Joel Anthony has as many rings as Wilt Chamberlin"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: Robo on June 21, 2013, 11:18:04 PM
http://instagram.com/p/a1qDuViTBw/

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2013, 11:39:29 PM
Awesom-O, don't click that link  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: Mandark on June 21, 2013, 11:42:15 PM
Yeah, trigger warning.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2013, 11:49:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8l_6jFZxjA
:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 22, 2013, 12:15:37 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2013, 11:00:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa4kL7QkCv8
:rejoice

"Joel Anthony has as many rings as Wilt Chamberlin"

 :bow2

"San Antonio is the fastest growing City in the United States. But its only because of Boris Diaw"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 23, 2013, 11:23:05 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQy8C7te8_Y

Finally heard why he did this. My old buddy is a cameraman and told me terry was shit talking lebron's mom before this happened. Something along the lines of "your mom and her big ass have a better low game than you bitch"

wrong
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 23, 2013, 03:10:45 PM
(http://imageshack.us/a/img43/939/trollxi.png)

NBA fans with more knowledge than me (ie everyone here except brandknew): I know it's early and FA hasn't really heated up, but what teams do you expect to challenge the Heat next year. I'm assuming the Heat will reload with some newer vets/3 point shooters; Mike Miller seems like he might retire.

The Spurs seem like they blew their last shot. Russel "#1 on my team" Bestbrook will be back next season/playoffs, and I'm sure other teams will make moves while Duncan/Manu/Parker try to recover. In the east Rose will be back, I'm assuming Chicago will be good. Indiana should be good.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 23, 2013, 03:32:55 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 23, 2013, 03:10:45 PM
(http://imageshack.us/a/img43/939/trollxi.png)

NBA fans with more knowledge than me (ie everyone here except brandknew): I know it's early and FA hasn't really heated up, but what teams do you expect to challenge the Heat next year. I'm assuming the Heat will reload with some newer vets/3 point shooters; Mike Miller seems like he might retire.

The Spurs seem like they blew their last shot. Russel "#1 on my team" Bestbrook will be back next season/playoffs, and I'm sure other teams will make moves while Duncan/Manu/Parker try to recover. In the east Rose will be back, I'm assuming Chicago will be good. Indiana should be good.

The same teams that challenged them this year. Bulls and Pacers in the East. Spurs, Thunder, Grizzlies in the West. Although it depends on what Chris Paul and Dwight Howard do with Houston and the Clippers.

I also doubt Mike Miller would retire. That would be passing on 12 millions dollars over the next 2 years.

List of the free agents.

http://www.sportscity.com/nba/free-agents/2013-top-nba-free-agents/

Won't happen but I would love the Heat to pick up Blatche.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 23, 2013, 03:42:13 PM
Decent article that talks about the relative age of the Heat.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/60145/the-miami-heats-age-old-problem

I'm not sure what to think of Wade. On one hand he is declining. On the other hand I have a feeling Spoelstra will be a lot smarter about managing the Heat minutes next season and treat the regular reason like an extended preseason.

Next year is the player option for all of those guys anyway so Lebron is a free agent at the end of the season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 23, 2013, 03:50:40 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 23, 2013, 03:25:01 PM
Quote from: Robo on June 21, 2013, 11:18:04 PM
http://instagram.com/p/a1qDuViTBw/

 :lol

Fuck this guy.

I'm past the point of expecting the world to be just, but the fact that such physical ability and freedom from injuries are wasted on a douchebag of this magnitude goes beyond your mere everyday injustice.

This is what the psalmist was talking about:

Quote
How long, Lord, will the wicked,
    how long will the wicked be jubilant?
They pour out arrogant words;
    all the evildoers are full of boasting.
They crush your people, Lord;
    they oppress your inheritance.
They slay the widow and the foreigner;
    they murder the fatherless.
They say, “The Lord does not see;
    the God of Jacob takes no notice.”

 ::)

Also PD why u hatin

I'd say Pacers are their biggest threat in the East again...a healthy Thunder team and quite possibly a theoretically loaded Rockets team in the West.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 23, 2013, 04:06:47 PM
That's true, but you can't really introduce "what-ifs" with NBA finals stuff – I could also make the argument that if Jordan's dad wasn't murdered, they'd have one four, or five, or fuck, 8 titles in a row.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 23, 2013, 04:11:46 PM
Random note.

Ric Bucher is worse than cancer.  :yuck

At least Skip Bayless is just an act. I get the sense he doesn't believe or care about anything that comes out of his mouth. It's all just showbusiness to him. Bucher doesn't really have a Bayless type platform or reason to be such a hater but he does it anyway.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat go back to back)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 23, 2013, 08:40:09 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9415256/los-angeles-clippers-clips-agree-principle-doc-rivers-deal-sources
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Doc Rivers to the Clippers)
Post by: etiolate on June 23, 2013, 08:57:33 PM
I find that whole thing weird.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Doc Rivers to the Clippers)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 23, 2013, 09:13:26 PM
Paul got his black coach!

can't wait for stories about Blake Griffin being butthurt over Doc being too hard on him
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Doc Rivers to the Clippers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 23, 2013, 09:35:00 PM
Quote from: etiolate on June 23, 2013, 08:57:33 PM
I find that whole thing weird.

I think Doc Rivers is a good coach but it struck me as weird how fixated they were on him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Doc Rivers to the Clippers)
Post by: Mandark on June 24, 2013, 03:48:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH-xQqURxcU

Star system lets Nowitzki get the call despite a blatant flop.  Disgusting.  Stern needs to be fired already.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Doc Rivers to the Clippers)
Post by: Flannel Boy on June 24, 2013, 07:36:44 PM
 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Doc Rivers to the Clippers)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 24, 2013, 11:11:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBu56Ybu5FI
 :mindblown

who thought this was a good idea?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Doc Rivers to the Clippers)
Post by: Flannel Boy on June 24, 2013, 11:12:53 PM
Jesus.  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Doc Rivers to the Clippers)
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 25, 2013, 01:02:00 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 24, 2013, 11:11:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBu56Ybu5FI
 :mindblown

who thought this was a good idea?

:anhuld

too bad for Awesome-O, Lebron missed the one time AO didn't want him to
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Doc Rivers to the Clippers)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 25, 2013, 08:39:16 PM
Lebron and Shard staying with the Heat, surprising no one.

Interesting trade talks going on at the moment.  Cavs apparently offered the wolves #1, Thompson and daion waiters for Kevin love only  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft Thursday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 26, 2013, 06:32:14 PM
Draft is tomorrow. Simmons and Rose have done a series of interviews with a lot of the top guys.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izD5wJ8klmM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHsSCFGIw4M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgD24n4Rt1I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCrYqDeSDYI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7zOfWgXsHo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU7mqS4LVbo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlfoPm0eeUg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3ipAtN30Us
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqkEo_Pk9HI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G6srs0KDxU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UswSNrZNIqI
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft Thursday)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2013, 06:41:18 PM
I'm going to laugh my ass off at whoever drafts Cody Zeller in the lottery/top ten.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft Thursday)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 26, 2013, 07:05:48 PM
I hope its the pistons
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft Thursday)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2013, 07:15:32 PM
Bill Davidson is dead, he no longer has Joe Dumars to kick around and force to draft white players!

Seriously, I know about 5 people (including my dad) who believe Davidson forced Dumars to draft Darko because he wanted a white star on the team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft Thursday)
Post by: etiolate on June 26, 2013, 07:17:50 PM
For once, I have little idea who the Kings will draft. It may be Burke if he's there, but there's rumors they are looking to trade Jimmer for a late first round pick.

Speaking of the Kings, as I always do, I have bizarro news:

http://aroyalpain.com/2013/06/25/shaq-says-hes-going-to-make-demarcus-cousins-the-best-big-in-the-nba/

Shaq to work with the Kings in unofficial manner. I am not sure if he'll be able to connect with Cousins, but Renadive seems to love connecting with the TNT crew.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft Thursday)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 26, 2013, 08:17:00 PM
hm, burke in sacramento sounds cool.  I think orlando will take him tho
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft Thursday)
Post by: etiolate on June 26, 2013, 08:22:30 PM
I think the Kings are looking at Burke, McCollum or Oladipo. I imagine Oladipo is their first choice, but he may be gone by then. After the draft, they'll have to shed some excess guards. DXPress has them taking Anthony Bennet right now but that doesn't make any sense to me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft Thursday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 27, 2013, 12:17:42 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/j2lszuj.jpg)

http://nba.si.com/2013/06/26/lebron-james-michael-jordan-sports-illustrated-cover/?sct=hp_t2_a18&eref=sihp



How many years before Lebron just shaves his head?

I kinda hope he never does. You don't see a lot of Sherman Hemsley or World B. Free looking black dudes anymore.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft Thursday)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 27, 2013, 02:12:51 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtjBV-0ALQM
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft Thursday)
Post by: Himu on June 27, 2013, 02:31:06 AM
I don't hate Lebron anymore. I can't explain it. I actually respect him now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft Thursday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 27, 2013, 04:10:55 PM
Oladipo should be the #1 pick just for this.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWsVhAkbzss
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft Thursday)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 27, 2013, 05:11:52 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft Thursday)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 27, 2013, 07:45:05 PM
the cavs are fucking morons
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft Thursday)
Post by: etiolate on June 27, 2013, 07:46:56 PM
:lol :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft Thursday)
Post by: Your Stalker on June 27, 2013, 08:39:59 PM
best draft ever?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft Thursday)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 27, 2013, 08:41:54 PM
I CALLED IT

Zeller to Jordan.  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft Thursday)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 27, 2013, 08:44:47 PM
Dumars better be fired after this season. Wow.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft Thursday)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 27, 2013, 09:00:31 PM
sixers  :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft Thursday)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 27, 2013, 09:20:08 PM
This is a fucking farce. Trey Burke was right there for the Pistons to take. There was also the high risk/high reward Shabazz Mohammed if you wanted to gamble. Why...

I get it. Going for the local guy doesn't always pan out (see: Mateen Cleeves) but this team can barely give tickets away. Burke is a good player, would bring some interest to the team...sigh. He's under sized yes, and pairing him with Brandon Knight would make for quite a small back court. So why not draft Burke and shop Knight?

Fire Dumars. Pope isn't bad obviously and he has size but come on.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft Thursday)
Post by: etiolate on June 27, 2013, 09:39:01 PM
Not really a fan of the Mclemore pick for the Kings. I think he can be a good shooting guard in the league and I feel coach Malone will make him a good defender, but he doesn't fit the roster. WTF are they going to do with all these shooting guards? Cousins needs someone to get him the ball.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft Thursday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 27, 2013, 10:16:35 PM
Kinda cool hadn't seen this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgO0KzEkfco


As far as the draft interesting stuff with the Noel slide.

I don't follow College basketball anymore so I never know how good these guys are or aren't until I see them in NBA action.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft Thursday)
Post by: naff on June 27, 2013, 10:18:51 PM
Utah get Burke for Shabazz and Gorgui Dieng. I thought the Shabazz and Dieng picks were great.... Though they need a PG really bad. Interesting moves.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season)
Post by: Your Stalker on June 27, 2013, 10:31:25 PM
lolknicks got a hardaway? :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 27, 2013, 11:28:50 PM
Quote
Kevin Garnett has agreed to waive his no-trade clause, clinching an agreement on a trade that will land Paul Pierce, Garnett and Jason Terry with the Brooklyn Nets, sources close to the process told ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard on Thursday night.

Garnett waiving the no-trade clause was the last step to sealing the deal, sources said.

No trade between the teams can officially be consummated until July 10 -- when a league-wide moratorium on signings and trades is lifted after free agency begins July 1 -- but the teams made fast progress on finalizing the trade parameters.

Brooklyn has agreed to send three first-round picks (2014, '16 and '18) along with Kris Humphries' expiring contract, Gerald Wallace, Tornike Shengelia, Reggie Evans and a sign-and-traded Keith Bogans to the Celtics for Pierce, Garnett and Terry. By agreeing to add Terry to the trade, sources said, Brooklyn alleviated some of Boston's concerns about absorbing the remaining three years, $30 million on Wallace's contract.

Because Pierce is making nearly $17 million this season, Brooklyn needs the deal to wait until after the start of free agency and the lifting of the moratorium on July 10, since the $15.3 million team option the Celtics had on their longtime captain is used in the trade.

Yahoo! Sports reported the Nets' pursuit of Garnett and Pierce as a package. The New York Daily News reported earlier this week that the Nets were chasing Garnett. Sources told ESPN.com the Nets hatched the idea of trying to acquire both Boston stalwarts in the same deal because Pierce's inclusion was seen as the surest way to persuade Garnett to waive his no-trade clause.

The addition of Garnett and Pierce to the trio of Deron Williams, Joe Johnson and Brook Lopez would appear to give the Nets one of the most formidable rosters in the NBA under rookie coach Jason Kidd.

Earlier this offseason, Boston denied the Nets permission to contact then-head coach Doc Rivers, who eventually left to coach the Los Angeles Clippers.

But the Celtics, now that Rivers has departed, are a team in transition that is said to be looking to accelerate the rebuilding process by chasing draft picks and creating cap space.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9429958/sources-boston-celtics-brooklyn-nets-agree-kevin-garnett-paul-pierce-deal
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season)
Post by: etiolate on June 27, 2013, 11:46:32 PM
Explain this to a white dude.

You're black. Let's say you grow up in a bad situation. Your community fights to stop cuts towards government programs. Your area depends on government programs.

Then you grow up and become a basketball player. You make big money in the NBA.

How does a state with high taxes for state programs become a bad thing? Why do places with no taxes to cut into your big NBA money become a good thing?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 27, 2013, 11:50:12 PM
Because in America when you are rich no matter what your color, you are supposed to instantly stop giving a fuck about anybody else and only worry about how to skin-flint as much as possible.


On a serious note I hear that idea tossed around that free-agents prefer locations with low taxes or no state income taxes but has there ever been any data or studies to corroborate based on actual signings.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Boston gutting the Roster)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 28, 2013, 12:03:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et9UJLVAWGY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XDJECfLy0o
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Boston gutting the Roster)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 28, 2013, 12:23:28 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uqhzEm03-c
(http://i.imgur.com/ioASoDT.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Boston gutting the Roster)
Post by: etiolate on June 28, 2013, 01:36:56 AM
Simmons didn't shy away. The constant awkward pauses after Simmons spoke freely tonight was enjoyable for me on some level.

And Simmons won't draw ire for what he said, but for causing those reactions. The others will be upset for showing them up by saying over the air what they jabber about during commercial, and the network will be upset because the awkward pause drew attention to the fact these analysts are unable to discuss what goes on in the league.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft Thursday)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 28, 2013, 02:08:25 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 27, 2013, 10:16:35 PM
Kinda cool hadn't seen this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgO0KzEkfco


As far as the draft interesting stuff with the Noel slide.

I don't follow College basketball anymore so I never know how good these guys are or aren't until I see them in NBA action.

A wild Hasheem Thabeet appears!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Boston gutting the Roster)
Post by: etiolate on June 28, 2013, 04:51:03 AM
I am starting to warm to the Ray McCollum pick. If he can play PG in the league then he could fit in well with the team. It's hard to tell how much of a distributor he can be when he was playing without anyone else at his level. He can shoot a little, handles the ball well, and has a bit of athleticism.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Boston gutting the Roster)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 28, 2013, 12:44:04 PM
Anthony Bennett? Really? Fuck.....Excuse me while I go burn my custom Ben Mclemore jersey real quick.

Dear Chris Grant....we really need a wing man with a good 3 point shot who isn't Darko's cousin.

Fuck off
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft Thursday)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 28, 2013, 12:45:28 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 28, 2013, 02:08:25 AM

A wild Hasheem Thabeet appears!

*Casts 7 foot jumper.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Boston gutting the Roster)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2013, 10:38:03 AM
Dwight Howard sweepstakes have begun. Supposedly Lin and Asik are both on the trade block to clear room.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: etiolate on July 01, 2013, 03:36:07 PM
no knick fan comments on their recent superstar trade?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Himu on July 01, 2013, 03:40:10 PM
God i wish everyone would shut the fuck up about dwight howard.

even if he comes to houston doesn't mean i'll like him. :maf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 01, 2013, 03:42:05 PM
But just think Himu, you could be baby mama #7
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Himu on July 01, 2013, 03:45:17 PM
people already say i look like dwight howard, so that'd be creepy
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 01, 2013, 03:49:04 PM
Maybe you're out-of-wedlock child #1 :ohhh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Himu on July 01, 2013, 03:50:27 PM
:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Beezy on July 01, 2013, 04:37:56 PM
Quote from: etiolate on July 01, 2013, 03:36:07 PM
no knick fan comments on their recent superstar trade?
leave me alone
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 01, 2013, 05:27:02 PM
Chris Paul is staying put.  SHOCKER.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 01, 2013, 07:39:04 PM
damn, if the warriors get Dwight

 :whoo

they'll be fucking great
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2013, 07:44:08 PM
Very little chance of that happening but then its Dwight so who knows. Like I said earlier the smart move would be to go to the Rockets. But then its Dwight so who knows.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 01, 2013, 07:46:40 PM
yeah, too bad its unlikely though.  That's the team I most want him to go to, as a basketball fan.

But then again, also as a basketball fan who enjoys curry and thompson and bogut, I don't want a cancer to spread to a young and exciting team.  decisions...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 01, 2013, 07:58:42 PM
Heat trade bosh, sign Dwight, awesome-o suicides
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: etiolate on July 01, 2013, 08:16:27 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/AObBmGS.png)

wtf

pelicans can have his ass
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: pilonv1 on July 01, 2013, 08:43:57 PM
He would be earning more than Steph Curry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 02, 2013, 06:10:19 PM
Btw I still say Dwight will do the most absolutely dumb option in front of him and stay with the Lakers. I think he's that immature and short sighted.

Also

Quote
The Los Angeles Clippers, Phoenix Suns and Milwaukee Bucks have reached agreement on a three-team trade that will send J.J. Redick and Jared Dudley to L.A., league sources told Yahoo! Sports.
The Suns will receive Clippers point guard Eric Bledsoe and forward Caron Butler while the Bucks – who facilitated the deal with a sign-and-trade of Redick – get two second-round draft picks, sources said.
Redick received a four-year, $27 million contract that includes a trade kicker, sources said.
Under new general manager Ryan McDonough, the Suns are moving swiftly in reshaping their roster, acquiring a center in Alex Len, the fifth overall pick in the NBA draft, and atalented, young point guard in Bledsoe.
Phoenix can't negotiate a contract extension with Bledsoe until after deal is finalized on July 10.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 02, 2013, 06:31:37 PM
I hope the Mavs can land Howard, otherwise it's gonna be another year in the wilderness and another year closer to Dirk's retirement.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 02, 2013, 07:14:02 PM
There's always Josh Smith.

(http://i41.tinypic.com/2w3s7c4.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 02, 2013, 10:01:25 PM
Quote
Kevin Martin has reached an agreement on a four-year, $28 million contract with the Minnesota Timberwolves, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Martin's agreement comes after the Timberwolves also struck a deal to re-sign Chase Budinger for three years, $16 million.
Martin, 30, averaged 14 points on 45 percent shooting for the Oklahoma City Thunder this past season. He came to the Thunder as part of the preseason trade that sent James Harden to the Houston Rockets.
Martin has averaged 17.8 points in nine NBA seasons, distinguishing himself as a dependable 3-point threat.
The Thunder have been pursuing free-agent forward Dorell Wright as a possible replacement for Martin, league sources said.

 :mouf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 03, 2013, 12:07:15 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 02, 2013, 07:50:32 PM
Cleveland may make Earl Clark an offer. Fuck those idiots.

Not one, not two, not three...but many more times must have Moses Cleveland sucker punched jesus for us to deserve this fate.....
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: pilonv1 on July 03, 2013, 01:44:02 AM
Kings pulled their Iguodala offer :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 03, 2013, 02:32:40 AM
Clippers trade wasn't terrible but based on the interest in Bledsoe, they probably should have gotten more
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 03, 2013, 02:44:50 AM
If Dumars gives a pot of money to Josh Smith...can we fire him please. Dude can't shoot and doesn't really play much defense from what I've heard.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: etiolate on July 03, 2013, 03:11:51 AM
Quote
The Sacramento Kings have pulled their offer to free agent small forward Andre Iguodala, according to a person with knowledge of the decision.

After making a four-year, $52 million bid, the Kings will now group and decide the next move in their rebuilding efforts. The person spoke to USA TODAY Sports on the condition of anonymity because of the private nature of the situation.

With the team now under new ownership and being run by new general manager and former Denver Nuggets executive Pete D'Alessandro, Iguodala - who was traded to the Nuggets last season after spending his first eight seasons in Philadelphia - became their top target after the New Orleans Pelicans came hard for Kings restricted free agent Tyreke Evans.

But the Kings wanted an answer from Iguodala, who was still considering returning to Denver while also being pursued by the likes of Detroit and others. When Iguodala wasn't prepared to give the answer quick enough for the Kings' liking, they made the calculated decision to go a different direction. What direction that is however, wasn't immediately clear.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2013/07/03/andre-iguodala-sacramento-kings-contract-offer-nba-free-agency/2485297/


So the offer was smaller than first thought and Iggy was waiting to see if a bidding war would start. Kings didn't want to be used as leverage and wanted a answer now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 03, 2013, 06:36:54 PM
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When Los Angeles Lakers star Kobe Bryant spoke to Dwight Howard on Tuesday, his words to the free-agent center resounded an unmistakable and unflinching message: Let me teach you how to be a champion.


"You need to learn how it's done first, and I can teach you here," Bryant told Howard during the Lakers' presentation, witnesses in the room described to Yahoo! Sports.

Bryant didn't come to Howard's recruitment meeting in Beverly Hills to appease him, but to challenge Howard to stay and embrace the burden of the franchise's culture and embrace Bryant's demanding disposition. Bryant invoked Michael Jordan's hard-driving ways as his blueprint, and how it pushed the Chicago Bulls to six titles.

Bryant, a five-time NBA champion, insisted he wouldn't retreat in pushing Howard every day, that as much as the Lakers needed Howard, Howard needed Bryant and the Lakers, too. "You have to learn how it's done," Bryant told Howard, witnesses described. "I know how to do it and I've learned from the best – players who have won multiple times over and over." "Instead of trying to do things your way, just listen and learn and tweak it, so it fits you," Bryant told him.

Howard has retreated to Colorado for a few days, surrounded by representatives, to make a decision on his future. The Lakers are fighting frontrunner Houston, Dallas, Atlanta and Golden State to sign him.
At times in the 2012-13 season, Bryant and Howard clashed over decidedly different day-to-day approaches to the game. Away from the floor, Howard's lighthearted tomfoolery clashed with Bryant's relentlessly serious-minded way. Bryant is rehabilitating a torn Achilles, but is expected to be back early in the Lakers season.

Before the Lakers ever traded for Howard a year ago, each player had reservations about playing together, about how they would blend. As the Lakers struggled, the construction of a relationship was clearly strained, but there were times when they found common ground.
If this was goodbye between them on Tuesday, Bryant had gone out the way he had come into a relationship with Howard: telling him his basketball truths, his beliefs, his way.
"You have to learn how it's done," Bryant told Dwight Howard on the way out of the Lakers, or maybe the way back into them.
Only now, Dwight Howard gets the final word.

 :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Himu on July 03, 2013, 06:38:17 PM
I fucking HATE Dwight Howard.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 03, 2013, 06:42:49 PM
It's not hate I have for Dwight Howard. It's a lack of respect for how he handled the whole Orlando thing. Going to Houston would gain him some respect from me personally as a mature decision. I think staying with Los Angeles and playing with Kobe Bryant which is someone that clearly he had issues with is a dumb move in the short term but long term is probably a decent idea.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 03, 2013, 07:07:04 PM
Dwight doesn't need Kobe to teach him how to hog the credit or point fingers when things go wrong. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: etiolate on July 03, 2013, 07:07:56 PM
I hope Nash gets out of there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 03, 2013, 07:12:52 PM
Going to the Lakers at the end of Kobe's career is probably one of the poorer decisions a free agent can make. I'm not sure what Nash was thinking.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 03, 2013, 08:18:42 PM
Brad Stevens to the Celtics?!  :lol

Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 03, 2013, 08:56:20 PM
It's not a bad call at all, but it is crazy surprising  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: etiolate on July 03, 2013, 09:01:33 PM
Yeah Stevens is a surprise but a good idea at the same time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 03, 2013, 09:18:45 PM
Celtics are killing the offseason so far.  Setting up for a potentially great team in 3 or 4 years.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 03, 2013, 09:19:27 PM
When does Kevin Love become a FA? He seems like he'd be a perfect Celtic.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 03, 2013, 09:31:05 PM
Not sure, he was drafted in 2008...gotta be soon I'd imagine.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: etiolate on July 04, 2013, 12:07:35 AM
Why do I punish myself by visiting fan forums.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: etiolate on July 04, 2013, 07:04:20 AM
Tyreke and that silly contract for Vasquez and Lopez?

(http://i.minus.com/iynCsXZR3nUrq.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: pilonv1 on July 04, 2013, 07:18:44 AM
You'll finally have a real point guard
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 05, 2013, 06:26:26 AM
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Sources close to Howard tell me Kobe's reported pitch in Tuesday's meeting about teaching D12 how to win will be a "complete turnoff" to D12

Chris Broussard so take it with a grain of salt but how fitting would it be if Kobe drove off another big man with his ego.

In other news Tyreke Evans to the Pelicans, Al Jefferson to the Bobcats, Belinelli to the Spurs, Earl Clark to the Cavs.



Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 05, 2013, 12:36:58 PM
One one hand, I give credit to the Cavs for not overspending on shitty FA's, on the other hand, this team is going be in the lottery again unless they get a quality big or wing through some kind of trade.

I guess they don't have much choice but to pin their slim hopes on a Lebron return or some team dumping salary at mid-season.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2013, 06:08:20 PM
Howard to Houston

Kobe, Himu annihilated
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Himu on July 05, 2013, 06:09:31 PM
AAAUUUUUUUUGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Oh well, he's a good player and valuable asset. Just SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH DRAMA.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 05, 2013, 06:17:01 PM
USA Today seems to saying so but I haven't seen anybody else confirm yet.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2013/07/05/nba-dwight-howard-makes-his-decision/2492347/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Off-season. Dwight Howard fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Himu on July 05, 2013, 06:17:28 PM
Y! Sports is saying he has signed with the Rockets but it's now being finalized.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe: Let me mentor you. Dwight: Screw off!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2013, 06:22:17 PM
I Broussard'd you guys, fuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe: Let me mentor you. Dwight: Screw off!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 05, 2013, 06:27:54 PM
On a serious note I'm a little surprised and I actually really like the decision. I think he fits Houston so much better than he did LA. And the extra little cherry on top is spurning the Lakers franchise and stuffing it in Kobe's face.

Now cue all the Lakers stories about what a nightmare Dwight was and what poor Kobe had to endure for the next week.

 :kobeyuck

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe: Let me mentor you. Dwight: Screw off!)
Post by: Himu on July 05, 2013, 06:32:39 PM
If Hakeem (my favorite player) tutored Dwight on the dream shake, I admit I'd mark out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe: Let me mentor you. Dwight: Screw off!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 05, 2013, 06:44:44 PM
Boy the Thunder really created a monster.


(http://i44.tinypic.com/1t35sj.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe: Let me mentor you. Dwight: Screw off!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 05, 2013, 06:49:36 PM
and igoudala is at golden state – a decent move.

poor mavs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe: Let me mentor you. Dwight: Screw off!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2013, 06:49:57 PM
(http://i43.tinypic.com/nzvk8.png)

*looks at my accounting Excel sheets*

I've made a huge mistake.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe: Let me mentor you. Dwight: Screw off!)
Post by: Mandark on July 05, 2013, 06:52:09 PM
Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on July 05, 2013, 06:32:39 PM
If Hakeem (my favorite player) tutored Dwight on the dream shake, I admit I'd mark out.

Between McHale and Olajuwon you guys have two of the best low-post scorers of all time at your disposal.  Can you imagine the two of them teaming up to give Dwight some personalized instruction?

...and about an hour into it exchanging a look that says "The kid just doesn't have it."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe: Let me mentor you. Dwight: Screw off!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 05, 2013, 06:58:20 PM
Yeah I don't really have any illusions of Dwight suddenly becoming an offensive monster. While Lebron is better in the post than he was, its not like he's suddenly Dream like on the block and he at least had the agility you would think to potentially achieve such a thing. That being said I don't think Dwight needs to be the second coming of Olajuwon for them to be super successful.

Also Asik is now trade bait. As is most of the roster except Parsons and Harden.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe: Let me mentor you. Dwight: Screw off!)
Post by: Himu on July 05, 2013, 07:13:45 PM
Dwight doesn't need to be the second coming of Olajuwon. That will never fucking happen. I'm just talking to myself. :fbm

Is it bad that the part I'm looking forward to the most is a Rockets team in NBA2k that's not shit? :fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe: Let me mentor you. Dwight: Screw off!)
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 05, 2013, 07:21:01 PM
Dwight will be alright getting putbacks or easy baskets from Harden who draws so much attention on his drives

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe: Let me mentor you. Dwight: Screw off!)
Post by: Himu on July 05, 2013, 07:25:30 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 05, 2013, 06:58:20 PM

Also Asik is now trade bait. As is most of the roster except Parsons and Harden.

That's been true for the roster for a while.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe: Let me mentor you. Dwight: Screw off!)
Post by: Mandark on July 05, 2013, 07:29:01 PM
Morey's been stockpiling assets looking to trade for an all-star for years, and now he's done it twice (hell, three times if you count the aborted Gasol deal).  Nice to see smart decisionmaking, long-term thinking, and flexibility paying off instead of just the dumb luck of the lottery and the tanking it encourages.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe: Let me mentor you. Dwight: Screw off!)
Post by: Himu on July 05, 2013, 07:36:59 PM
Yup. Rockets management is pretty good. Houston teams all have a solid foundation now. Well, all of them except the Astros.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe: Let me mentor you. Dwight: Screw off!)
Post by: etiolate on July 05, 2013, 08:42:00 PM
How soon until the talks of Kobe wants to leave LA to ring chase somewhere?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe: Let me mentor you. Dwight: Screw off!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2013, 10:06:36 PM
OKC would be a nice fit. He'd be #2 behind Westbrook.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe: Let me mentor you. Dwight: Screw off!)
Post by: treythemovie on July 05, 2013, 10:14:54 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Inx4NCO.png)

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe: Let me mentor you. Dwight: Screw off!)
Post by: Mandark on July 05, 2013, 10:22:09 PM
Aaaaaaaaaaand we're back!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe: Let me mentor you. Dwight: Screw off!)
Post by: Himu on July 05, 2013, 10:28:54 PM
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe: Let me mentor you. Dwight: Screw off!)
Post by: etiolate on July 05, 2013, 10:29:27 PM
honestly why not just go to Houston? The Lakers didn't work out and Kobe is a massive anchor. Warriors moved on. Hawks won't be going anywhere even with him on the squad. What is there for him to debate over?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe: Let me mentor you. Dwight: Screw off!)
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 05, 2013, 10:31:48 PM
Dwightmare!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe: Let me mentor you. Dwight: Screw off!)
Post by: Mandark on July 05, 2013, 10:32:35 PM
Quote from: etiolate on July 05, 2013, 10:29:27 PM
honestly why not just go to Houston? The Lakers didn't work out and Kobe is a massive anchor. Warriors moved on. Hawks won't be going anywhere even with him on the squad. What is there for him to debate over?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjZRAvsZf1g
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe: Let me mentor you. Dwight: Screw off!)
Post by: Himu on July 05, 2013, 10:35:02 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/YnWxLqO.jpg)

:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe: Let me mentor you. Dwight: Screw off!)
Post by: Mandark on July 05, 2013, 10:41:38 PM
https://twitter.com/Lakers/status/353340028757352449

"We have been informed of Dwight's decision to not return to the Lakers."


Our long national Dwightmare is over.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe: Let me mentor you. Dwight: Screw off!)
Post by: etiolate on July 05, 2013, 10:44:25 PM
Never doubt Amick.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe: Let me mentor you. Dwight: Screw off!)
Post by: treythemovie on July 05, 2013, 10:47:21 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 05, 2013, 10:41:38 PM
https://twitter.com/Lakers/status/353340028757352449

"We have been informed of Dwight's decision to not return to the Lakers."


Our long national Dwightmare is over.
:whew


Now we just have to deal with his indecisiveness on his jersey #, playing style and favorite flavor of ice cream

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe: Let me mentor you. Dwight: Screw off!)
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 06, 2013, 12:17:56 AM
Is the Dwightcision over?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe: Let me mentor you. Dwight: Screw off!)
Post by: Mandark on July 06, 2013, 01:00:36 AM
Yes, Dwight Howard has agreed to become the starting center and assistant general manager for the Houston Rockets.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe: Let me mentor you. Dwight: Screw off!)
Post by: Himu on July 06, 2013, 01:11:36 AM
Oh my lord :dead

this shit was posted on kobe's instagram. passive aggressive mutha fuckah

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOdZVfpCEAAJdHh.png)

Dwight made Kobe cry :heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe: Let me mentor you. Dwight: Screw off!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 06, 2013, 01:49:33 AM
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@SportsCenter
ESPN sources say Dwight Howard is leaving L.A. because of D’Antoni’s system, Nash’s age and not wanting to be Kobe’s sidekick for 3-4 years.

Dwight dropping truth bombs all up in this bitch. I could grow to like the man if he continues to keep it this real.

For all the shit that Dwight gets, for the Lakers to get all pissy about him leaving is a joke.


Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe: Let me mentor you. Dwight: Screw off!)
Post by: Himu on July 06, 2013, 02:05:44 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 06, 2013, 01:49:33 AM
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@SportsCenter
ESPN sources say Dwight Howard is leaving L.A. because of D’Antoni’s system, Nash’s age and not wanting to be Kobe’s sidekick for 3-4 years.

Dwight dropping truth bombs all up in this bitch. I could grow to like the man if he continues to keep it this real.

For all the shit that Dwight gets, for the Lakers to get all pissy about him leaving is a joke.

Yupppppp, Lakers :umad

Dwight Howard or not, if there's one thing that can make people join forces it's an excuse to shit on the Lakers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe: Let me mentor you. Dwight: Screw off!)
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 06, 2013, 02:59:54 AM
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow/la-sp-ln-kobe-bryant-unfollows-dwight-howard-twitter-20130705,0,7698220.story

 :umad
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe: Let me mentor you. Dwight: Screw off!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 06, 2013, 03:17:34 AM
Can't wait for Kobe to dunk on Dwight next year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe: Let me mentor you. Dwight: Screw off!)
Post by: Mandark on July 06, 2013, 03:31:57 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 06, 2013, 03:17:34 AM
Can't wait for Kobe to dunk on Dwight next year.

I guess you really haven't followed the NBA for years.
Title: The NBA thread (Kobe: Let me mentor you. Dwight: Screw off!)
Post by: T-Short on July 06, 2013, 05:03:00 AM
PD: Calderon to the Mavs, passing on Trey Burke seems harsh right about now
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe: Let me mentor you. Dwight: Screw off!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 06, 2013, 12:17:32 PM
Yup. Another stellar off season for Joe Dumars.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe: Let me mentor you. Dwight: Screw off!)
Post by: etiolate on July 06, 2013, 05:01:37 PM
Josh Smith time in Detroit!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe: Let me mentor you. Dwight: Screw off!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 06, 2013, 05:30:38 PM
Remember when Dumars gave Charlie V a bunch of money? Fun times.

Maybe the plan will be for Smith to jack up 17 footers and Drummund to get the offensive rebound.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 06, 2013, 09:13:15 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9455003/cleveland-cavaliers-reach-4-year-deal-jarrett-jack
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 06, 2013, 09:41:54 PM
Cavs are adding role players like they just fell short of championship.  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 06, 2013, 09:43:27 PM
This is all to convince Lebron they'll have a good bench.

 :smug
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 07, 2013, 07:10:34 AM
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''It was expected,'' Shaq said. ''We've all been in LA, and not a whole lot of people can handle being under the bright lights. Everybody wants to do it, but when you get there, there are certain pressures. I think it was a safe move for him to go to a little town like Houston. That's right, little town. I said it.''

 :shaq
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Mandark on July 07, 2013, 07:32:13 AM
It's funny, cause I've heard that NBA players like Houston.  I wonder what Shaq would have against the town.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rN70IuofGw

...oh yeah.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 07, 2013, 11:36:41 AM
I've never found childish mode Shaq endearing like most of the media seems too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 07, 2013, 03:59:11 PM
How is it childish? Howard is a baby who can't handle pressure, and doesn't have the heart of a champion (or Laker).

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: etiolate on July 07, 2013, 05:20:50 PM
The truth is that LA already coddles Kobe. I guess they didn't have enough coddling left over for Dwight. LA isn't like New York either. It never felt big city/big lights to me. The LA area is heavily subarbanized. It's got its famous pockets of glamour, but you can hide in the hills and have the city worship you as a sports star from afar. There is a lot of gossip press though and that combined with Kobe coddling is what drives every big man but Pau nuts. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 08, 2013, 12:00:55 PM
I read a rumor over the weekend that the Cavs are considering a one year deal with Bynum.  Ugh. What is the point?

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 08, 2013, 12:04:10 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on July 08, 2013, 12:00:55 PM
I read a rumor over the weekend that the Cavs are considering a one year deal with Bynum.  Ugh. What is the point?

...so that he can look good on the bench? 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 08, 2013, 12:04:22 PM
 :snoop

the cavs are a fucking disaster of a franchise.  circling the shitter ever since lebron left

can't wait for Kyrie's The Decision II: Electric Boogaloo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 08, 2013, 12:05:38 PM
I don't think Bynum would take one year anyway. For a player of his stature to accept such a deal would be admitting there is a chance of him physically breaking down. He'd take a longer deal with more guaranteed money with incentives before he would do that I'm guessing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 08, 2013, 12:10:50 PM
In sane world, no one would be willing to offer him more than 1 year with a shit ton of incentives for playing time, but GMs across all sports are apparently some of the dumbest people ever, so yeah.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Himu on July 08, 2013, 12:14:24 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 07, 2013, 07:32:13 AM
It's funny, cause I've heard that NBA players like Houston.  I wonder what Shaq would have against the town.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rN70IuofGw

...oh yeah.

Crunchy. Soft. Crunchy. Soft.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 08, 2013, 12:20:29 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 08, 2013, 12:05:38 PM
I don't think Bynum would take one year anyway. For a player of his stature to accept such a deal would be admitting there is a chance of him physically breaking down. He'd take a longer deal with more guaranteed money with incentives before he would do that I'm guessing.


It just depends what he really values at this point in his career. If he wants money, then he should be able to find a 4-5 year deal with a shitty team.

If he wants to win and get signed by a quality franchise he's going to need to prove himself for a year before someone is going to put out that money/years.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Himu on July 08, 2013, 12:23:31 PM
Guys, I'm sorry for being hyperbolic all the time, I was born in Houston, it's in my blood.

(http://i.imgur.com/K1U7MrU.jpg?1)

:beli
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Mandark on July 08, 2013, 12:43:29 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on July 08, 2013, 12:00:55 PM
I read a rumor over the weekend that the Cavs are considering a one year deal with Bynum.  Ugh. What is the point?

Under the new CBA, there's a minimum payroll number at 90% of the salary cap figure.  With Baron Davis' contract up the Cavs have to pay somebody, and out of the current options Bynum has the most upside both as a player and as an asset either at the trade deadline or in a sign-and-trade next offseason.  Almost every other free agent is going to ask for multiple years, so if you can get Bynum on a one year deal (not inconceivable), it's actually lower risk than, say, signing away Jeff Teague.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 08, 2013, 12:52:14 PM
Ahh, I never thought of using Bynum as a trading chip at the deadline. Now I want them to get it done.

That 90% rule is shit. No wonder so many marginal players are getting paid (coughJJHicksoncough).
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 08, 2013, 02:35:30 PM
I like the salary floor. It stops bad franchises from just dumping salary and using their low salaries to extract extra income.

You just have to be careful about the length of contracts when you are a small market.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 08, 2013, 05:22:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bbkd8UGSAg
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: etiolate on July 08, 2013, 05:49:54 PM
The entire Kings fan base is hoping and praying the Kings FO doesn't have Monta Ellis fever.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 09, 2013, 12:02:05 AM
(http://nbcsports700level.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/bynum.bowling.gif)

Fuck You, ©avs

Signed,

All of us in Cleveland
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 09, 2013, 12:12:33 PM
they offered bynum a 2-year $12 million a year deal

. . .
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 09, 2013, 12:23:10 PM
The franchise has to pay a "cleveland tax' to get athletes to come. :p


Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 09, 2013, 12:26:18 PM
oh just read the second year is a team option

good luck with that Bynum
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 10, 2013, 04:00:22 PM
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Monta Ellis, one of the premier players remaining on the free agent market, parted ways with his longtime agent, Jeff Fried, on Wednesday.

Ellis, who opted out of the final year of a six-year, $66 million deal, is frustrated that he has yet to receive a high-paying contract offer.

 :lol

Also

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Today Heat will sign Chris Andersen to a one-year $1.7 million deal with a player option for $1.8 million for 2014-15


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The Miami Heat have a $17 million decision to make in the next week.

That's how much it will cost in luxury tax alone to keep Mike Miller on their roster this coming season. The Heat have until July 16 to decide whether they should release him via the amnesty provision to help weather an enormous tax bill that is coming due.

At the end of the season, Heat president Pat Riley made it clear he wanted to keep the 33-year-old Miller. He said he would waive him only if he got a “mandate” from owner Micky Arison and CEO Nick Arison.

The reason Miller is the leading candidate to be waived is because he’s due $12.8 million over the next two seasons and has a limited role on a team that is deep at his position.

Miller has been valuable in the playoffs the past two seasons. He was the Game 5 hero when the Heat won the title in 2012, and this year his insertion into the starting lineup helped the Heat turn the tide after they’d fallen behind the San Antonio Spurs in the Finals. It makes sense that Riley wants him on the roster. But at these prices, it is an expensive call for team ownership.

Now that the Heat have re-signed Chris Andersen to a team-friendly deal that will pay him $1.67 million this coming season, their luxury-tax situation has come into focus. The league is instituting an “enhanced” tax starting this season, and the Heat could be hit hard.

With the help of ESPN salary guru Nick Silva, we know the Heat are currently looking at a payroll of more than $88 million and are $16.4 million over the luxury-tax threshold. Last season, that would’ve cost them $16.4 million in tax. In 2013-14, that will cost them nearly $33.6 million in tax.

In the history of the luxury tax, the Arison family has paid a total of $36 million and is facing nearly that amount for one season. Since signing LeBron James, Chris Bosh, Dwyane Wade and Miller in 2010, the Heat have paid a total of $19 million in tax, including $13.3 million this past championship season.

If the Heat use the amnesty on Miller, it will save them nearly $17 million in taxes and knock their projected bill down to roughly $16.9 million.

As you can see, the “enhanced” tax is very real. It's one of the reasons Arison was one of the five owners who voted against the collective bargaining agreement when it included these new taxes in 2011.

Miller would still get the money he's owed from the Heat over the next two seasons even if he’s waived. In taxes, however, the Heat could save about triple that amount by not having him count toward their books for tax purposes.

Miller is popular with fans, popular in the front office, and popular in the locker room. But the Heat are facing a significant business decision regarding his future.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 10, 2013, 04:59:10 PM
Yeah, unfortunately I think Miller is a goner.  Sad, but he played great for them these last three seasons.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: naff on July 10, 2013, 06:14:23 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 10, 2013, 04:00:22 PM
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Monta Ellis, one of the premier players remaining on the free agent market, parted ways with his longtime agent, Jeff Fried, on Wednesday.

Ellis, who opted out of the final year of a six-year, $66 million deal, is frustrated that he has yet to receive a high-paying contract offer.

 :lol

:dead

Apparently they were offering a 25 million 2 year extension if he accepted that final year as well :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Mandark on July 10, 2013, 06:24:01 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 10, 2013, 06:16:37 PM
Ray the Turncloak

lolwut
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Mandark on July 10, 2013, 06:55:49 PM
I know you're sort of going for a wacky, transgressive over-the-top thing with your posts in this thread, but do you ever consider just giving it a rest?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Steve Contra on July 10, 2013, 07:19:58 PM
I suspect we'll still hear quite a bit about this irrelevant team :maf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Mandark on July 10, 2013, 07:26:04 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 10, 2013, 07:15:00 PM
What do you think?

That your inability/unwillingness to keep your sports allegiances in perspective makes for some really repetitive, tiresome posts.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Mandark on July 10, 2013, 07:32:13 PM
That's so awful for you.  As a Wizards fan, I can't imagine how terrible it must be to face a season in the lottery.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jrKXf2G-AA
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Steve Contra on July 10, 2013, 07:35:42 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 10, 2013, 07:32:13 PM
That's so awful for you.  As a Wizards fan, I can't imagine how terrible it must be to face a season in the lottery.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jrKXf2G-AA
To be fair to Awesome-O most people probably didn't know the Wizards had fans before your post.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 10, 2013, 08:04:23 PM
I'd get rid of Kobe (and Metta) and tank for Wiggins.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Mandark on July 10, 2013, 08:49:57 PM
In that scenario, Kobe becomes Knicks Amare.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 10, 2013, 08:54:57 PM
lets be real shinobi, you'd be sniffin' bron's dick if he came to LA

also, looks like Bynum will indeed sign with Cleveland.  Bunch of benchmarks he has to reach to earn his money tho
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 10, 2013, 09:01:48 PM
If Kobe were serious about wanting a sixth ring at ALL costs, he'd do what another aging role player did last season: sign with Miami.

 :miyamoto
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 10, 2013, 09:22:45 PM
thats kinda pathetic
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: etiolate on July 10, 2013, 09:26:56 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 10, 2013, 09:01:48 PM
If Kobe were serious about wanting a sixth ring at ALL costs, he'd do what another aging role player did last season: sign with Miami.

 :miyamoto

This would be an even better green shinobi scenario.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 10, 2013, 09:46:48 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 10, 2013, 09:22:45 PM
thats kinda pathetic

Not really. There's nothing wrong with being a fan of a player moreso than being loyal to one team/organization. Shaq has been my favorite sports athlete since I was a little kid. Orlando was my favorite team, then the Lakers, then Miami, then Phoenix. Didn't care too much for the Cavs or Boston though...

So I haven't had a favorite team in awhile. I'll go back to being a Pistons fan when Dumars is fired.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 10, 2013, 10:18:19 PM
I can't trust someone who cycles between liking Duke and North Carolina, for instance. Hell, I can't trust Duke fans, period.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 10, 2013, 10:36:53 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 10, 2013, 07:26:04 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 10, 2013, 07:15:00 PM
What do you think?

That your inability/unwillingness to keep your sports allegiances in perspective makes for some really repetitive, tiresome posts.

I don't know why he's so serious; it's not like we're discussing a futuristic retelling of Pocahontas.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Mandark on July 10, 2013, 10:47:47 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 10, 2013, 09:46:48 PM
Not really. There's nothing wrong with being a fan of a player moreso than being loyal to one team/organization. Shaq has been my favorite sports athlete since I was a little kid. Orlando was my favorite team, then the Lakers, then Miami, then Phoenix. Didn't care too much for the Cavs or Boston though...

So I haven't had a favorite team in awhile. I'll go back to being a Pistons fan when Dumars is fired.

PD votes for the candidate, not the party.

:usacry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 10, 2013, 10:52:54 PM
There are important distinctions between parties--the only distinction between franchises is laundry.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Mandark on July 10, 2013, 10:58:43 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on July 10, 2013, 10:52:54 PM

I'm already looking forward to when Dirk retires and I get to pick a new team.

 :wag
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: T-Short on July 11, 2013, 09:48:25 AM
http://www.nba.com/2013/news/07/11/pistons-agree-with-billups.ap/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpts (http://www.nba.com/2013/news/07/11/pistons-agree-with-billups.ap/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpts)

Nice!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2013, 09:51:31 AM
remember when Joe Dumars kept the Pistons core together too long instead of trading them to better position the team to rebuild? Fun times. Now we have Sheed on the coaching staff and an old Billups instead of Trey Burke.

I've met Billups a couple times, very nice guy. Not too mad.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 11, 2013, 10:39:31 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 10, 2013, 09:26:15 PM
Could you root for your Browns if they signed Rapistberger?

Why would I root for the Browns when I already don't root for the Browns?

The more proper scenario in this odd parallel is if Pittsburgh signed...I don't know, Tom Brady.  I'd still hate him because fuck Tom Brady, but the Steelers are my team through and through.  I've put up with shitty fucking people on this team in the past; Ben being one of them, Santonio Holmes being another.  And yet I wanted to suck dey dicks after both single-handily won Pittsburgh's sixth ring.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2013, 10:41:43 AM
I've shaken Tom Brady's hand. He's a good man. Haters gonna hate :pacspit

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Steve Contra on July 11, 2013, 10:45:08 AM
I gave Tom Brady a pity handie in a Phoenix bathroom in 2007 after Eli beat him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 11, 2013, 10:50:18 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2013, 10:41:43 AM
I've shaken Tom Brady's hand. He's a good man. Haters gonna hate :pacspit

I met Sam Bradford a couple months ago in a bar in Nashville.  He mentioned he was in town filming some commercial with older NFL stars.  Cool dude, he bought me a beer.  :obama
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 11, 2013, 12:12:58 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2013, 10:41:43 AM
I've shaken Tom Brady's hand. He's a good man. Haters gonna hate :pacspit

This is a fact. I played with TB at Michigan, and you won't find a better guy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Andrew Bynum fever. Catch it!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 11, 2013, 12:30:42 PM
I think I've mentioned it before but I don't really have team allegiance in the NBA. I didn't grow up in a town that had a basketball team so I had no city team to grow roots with like I did for football.

So I've always migrated around from players I like to following those teams and then moving on to somebody else. When I was a kid I liked Larry Bird so I was a Celtics fan. I liked Rolando Blackman and Reggie Miller so I liked the Mavericks and the Pacers and so on. Even though the Heat are a state team, I wasn't overly a heat fan and still wouldn't really consider myself one. I'm a Lebron fan and was since the first day I say him play.

The one saving grace to this approach is that you don't have to be stuck following awful franchises but to balance it out I don't consider myself a bandwagoner. It's always based on whether I like the play style and occasionally personality of the person. For instance I never liked Michael Jordan or the Bulls. Always rooted against them. Same with Kobe and the Lakers. Just didn't like the game of either of those two or their personalities which isn't to say I didn't respect them as basketball players.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 11, 2013, 12:42:06 PM
Not really.  We just like watching good basketball.  Which is why I will not be watching any Laker games next season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Steve Contra on July 11, 2013, 12:57:56 PM
Nah, the Lakers of late are the Tea Party.  Make a lot of noise in the regular season, but come post-season they've been quietly shuttled off.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 11, 2013, 01:16:22 PM
a more apt comparison along your line of thinking would be that Lebron is John Boehner.  A dark-skinned man who's from Ohio but really doesn't want to ever go back to Ohio ever again.  And kills the progress of other groups in Congress/NBA.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: etiolate on July 11, 2013, 02:35:41 PM
fucking casual bandwaggoners up in here
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 11, 2013, 03:20:39 PM
Quote from: etiolate on July 11, 2013, 02:35:41 PM
fucking casual bandwaggoners up in here

I am with you....I've been a Cav's fan since the dark days before Price, Nance, and Brad.

However the NBA is much more of an individual sport when it comes to accolades than baseball or football where it's always teams first. Blame the ESPN culture of showering glory on Lebron since high school in their quest for the next MJ.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 11, 2013, 03:22:58 PM
meh.

The majority of people don't grow up with NBA teams in their home towns. The idea that I need to slavishly follow some team from another geographic region for the sake of being hardcore is silly.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Steve Contra on July 11, 2013, 03:23:01 PM
Quote from: etiolate on July 11, 2013, 02:35:41 PM
fucking casual bandwaggoners up in here
Small market fans :rock
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 11, 2013, 03:23:56 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on July 11, 2013, 03:23:01 PM
Quote from: etiolate on July 11, 2013, 02:35:41 PM
fucking casual bandwaggoners up in here
Small market fans :rock

+1
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 11, 2013, 03:25:58 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 11, 2013, 03:22:58 PM
meh.

The majority of people don't grow up with NBA teams in their home towns. The idea that I need to slavishly follow some team from another geographic region for the sake of being hardcore is silly.

Oh and that's another great point. My dad was involved with the Cav's when I was a kid in Cali but I often wondered who somebody from Oklahoma (prior to move) or Kentucky rooted for when I was young


I miss the Sonics.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 11, 2013, 03:31:44 PM
I also don't believe that an incompetent franchise necessarily deserves slavish devotion. If a team is trying and makes the right moves but just doesn't succeed and gets a bit unlucky then that's one thing. But utter incompetence would be hard to root for now that I'm older.

And I say this as a lifelong fan of my hometown Tampa Bay Bucs who were utterly and completely one of the worst run franchises in history when I was a kid. But I didn't know any better as a youth and desperately wanted them to win and was shocked every season when they were awful.

I also find it a little weird when I know people who slavishly and feverishly root for certain college teams. For some reason I know a decent number of people who love Ohio State football and basketball despite not being from Ohio and not going to that college and in certain cases never having been to college period. I don't understand that sort of fanship once you aren't a kid anymore.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Steve Contra on July 11, 2013, 03:32:56 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 11, 2013, 03:31:44 PM
I also don't believe that an incompetent franchise necessarily deserves slavish devotion.
Poor Cajole :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 11, 2013, 03:40:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KHpQltNeYE
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2013, 04:10:49 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 11, 2013, 03:31:44 PM
I also don't believe that an incompetent franchise necessarily deserves slavish devotion. If a team is trying and makes the right moves but just doesn't succeed and gets a bit unlucky then that's one thing. But utter incompetence would be hard to root for now that I'm older.

I can't do it. If I jump off the Lions bandwagon and they start winning, I'd feel unclean jumping back on. I'm in for the long haul.
:fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 11, 2013, 04:21:51 PM
Stoney bringing the real talk.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 11, 2013, 04:36:52 PM
Sports fandom is weird in general.  The only sport I genuinely love is baseball; I grew up watching and following it, the Braves started their extended run while I was just entering my teenage years so I had a really good team to root for.  We rooted for them when they sucked ass during the mid/late 80's too, though.

The NFL I never got into until my mid-20's, and by that point I just liked the game and was following it for fantasy purposes.  The Falcons were consistently mediocre back then.  I still don't have a team I really root for; I say I root for the Pats to troll people, also because I had Brady/Moss/Welker on my fantasy team during the 16-0 season.  I kind of keep up with the Falcons, but not too well.

Basketball is just meh for me... watched Jordan during his peak because it was a spectacle to behold, don't really watch too much these days.

College sports of all varieties are for functional distinguished mentally-challenged fellows.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 11, 2013, 04:44:28 PM
I use to love all sports when I was kid and had unlimited time to watch such things. Baseball was the first sport I was passionate about and followed all the stats because I had those stat based videogames like MicroLeague Baseball when I was a kid. That was followed closely by basketball and football. As I got older though sports just dropped one by one. I dropped baseball. I dropped college sports. I only really follow the NFL and the NBA when it comes to team based sports and I barely follow the NFL at this stage. Basketball was the only sport that was able to maintain my interest and relevance through life. I've always had favorite basketball players and that has been able to carry and maintain my interest in basketball versus the other sports. For whatever reason watching good basketball is more compelling to me than watching other sports. I get a heart in my throat kinda feeling when I watch the NBA finals that I just don't get watching baseball or football.

College basketball was pretty great when I was a kid but I consider it mostly unwatchable nowadays but that's just a personal opinion.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 11, 2013, 04:59:09 PM
Yeah man you're so right.  If by being right means absolutely fucking stupid.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 11, 2013, 05:00:15 PM
I'm still kind of confused as to the nature of your animus towards Lebron, awesome-o.  I mean, sure he's a dumb manchild whose entire life has been manufactured for him by a shoe company, but compared to other genuinely shitty human beings that happen to play sports he's not so bad.  By most measurable metrics, Kobe Bryant is by far a shittier person. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 11, 2013, 05:03:16 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 11, 2013, 05:00:15 PM
I'm still kind of confused as to the nature of your animus towards Lebron, awesome-o.  I mean, sure he's a dumb manchild whose entire life has been manufactured for him by a shoe company, but compared to other genuinely shitty human beings that happen to play sports he's not so bad.  By most measurable metrics, Kobe Bryant is by far a shittier person.

He equates Kobe's "intensity" to some aspect of his own personality.

But yeah. I could see someone not liking Lebron personally but then to love Kobe with all the shady shit he has pulled in his career just tickles me.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 11, 2013, 05:05:17 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 11, 2013, 05:03:22 PM
He's a massive douche.

By any metric, Chris Bosh is far more of a douche, but he also hasn't been built up as the next big thing since 16, so there's that.

If he were a quiet guy who just put his head down and played, like Durant or Dirk, he wouldn't have half as many haters. He also thinks "humbled" means the opposite of what it actually does, which is pretty offensive.

I'm tempted to make a list of all the douche moves Kobe has made in his career but I don't a solid hour block to start up the list at the moment.

I'm also curious. What douche moves has Chris Bosh pulled? I don't understand that a lick.

And this comes from someone who isn't a fan of Bosh on the court.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 11, 2013, 05:08:32 PM
I guess you're just one of those irrational by nature sports fans.  It's cool.  I'll just not ever take anything you say about sports seriously at all again. :P
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 11, 2013, 05:13:34 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 11, 2013, 05:10:48 PM
He did spawn that whole "Like a Bosh" meme.

Second biggest travesty of Boston and San Antonio not closing out their 3-2 leads against Miami 2012 and 2013 respectively, after the loss of "he'll never give you four quarters" jokes, is the death of Like a Bosh. That shit was amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcpUbTI7YWw

The Chris Bosh meme stuff is based around the idea that he's viewed as a superstar but isn't really a superstar. Which may be true. But its not like he's a dick or something. Like a Bosh could easily be like a Rudy Gay. Another  guy who doesn't seem like a jerk but is probably over-rated relative to how he actually performs. I may not like Chris Bosh as a player but its but not like Chris Bosh is constantly doing boneheaded things personally in his life or making douche moves. He actually seems like the most goofy and likable in a sense of the big three. The most normal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 11, 2013, 05:19:44 PM
basketball players are egotistical megalomaniacs, news at 11
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 11, 2013, 10:08:54 PM
Lakers amnesty Artest.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 11, 2013, 10:12:57 PM
Kobe is going to drown one of the NBA's anchor franchises.I have always hated him and now I really hate him.

Kobe,

You are not MJ
You aren't even LBJ
Nobody outside of Cali buys your jersey
You ran off Shaq after he won you 3 chips
You are not media friendly
Your twitter sucks
Fuck you for fucking Mike Brown because you failed


I hate you,

AiA
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 11, 2013, 10:32:31 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 11, 2013, 10:31:09 PM
So much bullshit in that post.

Which part? MJ? Dat Shaq carry?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 11, 2013, 10:40:12 PM
I have to admit I'm liking the effects of the new cba. It makes you put your money where your mouth is regarding winning and salary.

The fact that Kobe chews up $30 mil on the salary cap is delicious.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 11, 2013, 10:43:21 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 11, 2013, 10:40:12 PM
I have to admit I'm liking the effects of the new cba. It makes you put your money where your mouth is regarding winning and salary.

The fact that Kobe chews up $30 mil on the salary cap is delicious.

The fact his crippled ass won't give a discount is better.

100 bucks saya MJ in that situation would play for a dollar a game if he could get one more ring.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: bachikarn on July 11, 2013, 10:43:47 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 11, 2013, 04:36:52 PM
College sports of all varieties are for functional distinguished mentally-challenged fellows.

fuck you
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 11, 2013, 11:53:46 PM
Andrei Kirilenko to the nets.

Quote
The Nets are now projected to have a starting lineup of Deron Williams, Joe Johnson, Pierce, Garnett and Brook Lopez, with a bench that features Shaun Livingston, Jason Terry, Kirilenko, Reggie Evans and Andray Blatche.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 12, 2013, 12:10:59 AM
Quote from: bachikarn on July 11, 2013, 10:43:47 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 11, 2013, 04:36:52 PM
College sports of all varieties are for functional distinguished mentally-challenged fellows.

fuck you
Triumph, along with the entire world outside of the States, is correct.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 12, 2013, 12:27:15 AM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on July 12, 2013, 12:10:59 AM
Quote from: bachikarn on July 11, 2013, 10:43:47 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 11, 2013, 04:36:52 PM
College sports of all varieties are for functional distinguished mentally-challenged fellows.

fuck you
Triumph, along with the entire world outside of the States, is correct.

Their loss. College ball is pure.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 12, 2013, 12:28:25 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 11, 2013, 11:53:46 PM
Andrei Kirilenko to the nets.

Quote
The Nets are now projected to have a starting lineup of Deron Williams, Joe Johnson, Pierce, Garnett and Brook Lopez, with a bench that features Shaun Livingston, Jason Terry, Kirilenko, Reggie Evans and Andray Blatche.

That is one hell of an expensive also-ran...sheesh.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 12, 2013, 12:34:00 AM
They will be a hell of a team on nba 2k14 though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 12, 2013, 01:08:11 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 11, 2013, 11:43:38 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 11, 2013, 10:32:31 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 11, 2013, 10:31:09 PM
So much bullshit in that post.

Which part? MJ? Dat Shaq carry?

I will give you #1 and #5. Don't know enough about twitter to know if #6 is correct or not.

Uh.  #4 is also 100% spot on.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 12, 2013, 01:48:36 PM
Quote from: Onion Sports
Derrick Rose Wondering If He Should Start Rehabbing Knee Sometime This Summer

CHICAGO—Fourteen months after undergoing surgery to repair a torn ACL, Chicago Bulls point guard Derrick Rose told reporters Wednesday that he’s thinking about getting around to beginning rehabilitation on his knee sometime this summer. “I’ve enjoyed my time off, but I should probably get started soon if I still want to make it back by midseason,” said Rose, adding that with injuries it’s important to patiently wait for the first year or two before diving back into any activity whatsoever. “I don’t want to rush anything, but I guess I should begin those exercises where I can bend my knee and eventually walk again.” Rose, who admitted that he was enjoying the nice weather in Chicago, was reportedly leaning toward starting his physical therapy next year.

 :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Mandark on July 12, 2013, 03:56:00 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 12, 2013, 02:09:10 PM
If you could only keep one player after 2004

That's sort of the key phrase.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 12, 2013, 06:40:55 PM
1) You're dead wrong about Shaq.

2) Orlando's kid coming against us in summer league ball against my cavs;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N6teqcLaQs

He ain't a bad spitter.


Might wanna focus on that instead of being a D-League 4 on the Fakers.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 12, 2013, 10:19:02 PM
Quote
The Dallas Mavericks have struck a three-year deal worth at least $25 million with free-agent guard Monta Ellis, according to sources close to the process.

 :rofl

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Actually that price isn't so bad.
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As expected they are getting killed in the press.



http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/mavericks/post/_/id/4697015/monta-ellis-deal-seems-like-kind-of-move-mavs-vowed-to-avoid
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/61357/monta-ellis-on-a-stat-geeks-team
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Your Stalker on July 13, 2013, 06:49:55 AM
Does Dirk walk next year?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 13, 2013, 09:49:56 AM
Quote from: Your Stalker on July 13, 2013, 06:49:55 AM
Does Dirk walk next year?

Before Ellis? Nope

Now? 20% chance.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 13, 2013, 07:21:30 PM
This is apparently a thing that happened

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1702478-baron-davis-recalls-time-he-was-abducted-aliens-now-armed-with-killer-crossover?hpt=hp_t3
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: etiolate on July 13, 2013, 08:07:26 PM
Ben McLemore just displayed the prettiest looking series of bricks in summer league history.

In a Simmons podcast, Chad Ford said Ben couldn't dribble. It really looks like that is true so far. Still, his stroke is good and he gets good shots. The question will be how easy he is to defend at the NBA level. That was the major difference between him and Oladipo. If you are one dimension then you're pretty easy to defend at the NBA level.

Ray MacCollum looked good. Mekel for the Mavs looked good out there as well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Beezy on July 15, 2013, 03:42:10 PM
World Peace to the Knicks. Games against BK to be replaced with Hell in the Cell matches.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Himu on July 15, 2013, 06:16:49 PM
MANDARK

http://www.click2houston.com/sports/Rockets-hire-Olajuwon-to-coach-big-men/-/1735736/20982282/-/ntytvnz/-/index.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Mandark on July 15, 2013, 06:22:55 PM
This will be like when MJ imparted his killer instinct and high post game to Kwame Brown.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Himu on July 15, 2013, 06:25:23 PM
:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 15, 2013, 08:40:08 PM
Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on July 15, 2013, 06:16:49 PM
MANDARK

http://www.click2houston.com/sports/Rockets-hire-Olajuwon-to-coach-big-men/-/1735736/20982282/-/ntytvnz/-/index.html

Hopefully Dwight fucking pays attention...because that's post Jesus right there...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Smooth Groove on July 15, 2013, 10:19:25 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 11, 2013, 10:12:57 PM
Kobe is going to drown one of the NBA's anchor franchises.I have always hated him and now I really hate him.

Kobe,

You are not MJ
You aren't even LBJ
Nobody outside of Cali buys your jersey
You ran off Shaq after he won you 3 chips
You are not media friendly
Your twitter sucks
Fuck you for fucking Mike Brown because you failed


I hate you,

AiA

Spot on, except for bolded

Kobe got some bad press during the rape trial but Lebron's crime made Kobe's transgressions insignificant to most of the media. 

Also, the media love Kobe's endless spouting of clichés and macho posturing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Mandark on July 15, 2013, 10:55:07 PM
Nobody's saying Kobe's a scrub.

Kobe was a very solidly above-average shooting guard, like a Jerry Stackhouse or Mitch Richmond.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: etiolate on July 15, 2013, 11:01:18 PM
Mitch Richmond was a God. Mitch would take Kobe on the high post and show him some real game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Mandark on July 15, 2013, 11:07:07 PM
Shaq wasn't just a great player, he also showed Wade the ropes and taught him how to carry himself as a true champion.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Mandark on July 15, 2013, 11:14:21 PM
:bow Shaq, fighting through adversity :bow2


:piss Kobe, unconcerned with his teammate's health and conditioning :piss2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 15, 2013, 11:38:47 PM
on the topic of mike brown

Mike Brown fucked Mike Brown

dudes a terrible coach and always has been.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 15, 2013, 11:55:54 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 15, 2013, 06:22:55 PM
This will be like when MJ imparted his killer instinct and high post game to Kwame Brown.
:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 16, 2013, 02:58:48 PM
Mike Miller amnestied :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 16, 2013, 03:19:17 PM
Riley wanted him to stay but ownership wasn't going to pay those kind of taxes for what essentially was a playoff luxury guy.

To be honest I think its probably the right move but never forget.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mylpwZVbjk
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 16, 2013, 03:21:31 PM
time to step up, shard

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:heh
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 16, 2013, 03:25:04 PM
Quote
Micky Arison ‏@MickyArison 8m
Thank you Mike Miller @m33m for 3 amazing years. You'll always be part of the @miamiheat family #2TimeChamp #LetItFly


Tim Reynolds ‏@ByTimReynolds 1m
Mike Miller to AP: "I understand. ... Very, very thankful for the opportunity that I've had, but it hurts."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 16, 2013, 10:26:17 PM
My top 10;

1) Mike
2) Wilt
3) Bill
4) Oscar
5) Magic
6) Larry
7) Prime Shaq
8) KAJ
9) Lebron with an arrow up
10) Bob Cousy

Kobe slots in somewhere between Gary Peyton and Isiah Thomas.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 17, 2013, 01:20:21 AM
What's hilarious is that you can't claim anti-Laker bias with that list, either

I'm moderately worried about you, Glen Shinobi
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 17, 2013, 01:41:48 AM
GS is right. Where's Hakeem?
Title: Re: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: naff on July 17, 2013, 02:15:16 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 15, 2013, 08:40:08 PM
Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on July 15, 2013, 06:16:49 PM
MANDARK

http://www.click2houston.com/sports/Rockets-hire-Olajuwon-to-coach-big-men/-/1735736/20982282/-/ntytvnz/-/index.html

Hopefully Dwight fucking pays attention...because that's post Jesus right there...

Dwights been on the hakeem star training camp before too...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 17, 2013, 02:16:22 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 17, 2013, 02:13:35 AM
The fact that he isn't enough of a troll to not give past Laker greats their due doesn't make his post any less ridiculous.

nah his list is pretty spot on.

edit:

(https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=gVYeAXFXTAajBM&tbnid=zMUi8dNFeBxEbM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DO5DFbQKFdyE&ei=3TbmUdqOKJa34APCrYGQCw&psig=AFQjCNHqvZ_i6p5mEdz-qwFvJwpj5kY5bw&ust=1374128210260528)

"I win."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 17, 2013, 02:27:50 AM
she's a kansas jayhawks fan, so yes, yes indeed, fuck her.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Mandark on July 17, 2013, 02:40:16 AM
Kobe's like right there with Iverson.  Kobe's ahead if we're talking stats, AI if it's about being a good teammate.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 17, 2013, 02:51:42 AM
Amir0x seems like he'd have a decent post game but no mobility (like Greg Monroe). I'd imagine Mandark being a JJ Reddick type.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 17, 2013, 08:37:28 AM
Anybody and I mean anybody who thinks Kobe Bryant is better than any player on my list is living in a LA infused delusion. Nothing worst than a west coast sports fan, not even fat women with an attitude.

Volume scorers not named Wilt or Mike are not as valuable as a Larry Bird.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Your Stalker on July 17, 2013, 01:33:42 PM
You have to admit that Kobe is a top 5 stat padder of all time though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 17, 2013, 01:46:30 PM
You keep bitching and huffpuffing, but I've yet to see you actually talk about why Kobe deserves to be called the GOAT.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 17, 2013, 01:54:05 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 17, 2013, 01:38:53 PM
This thread is like the anti-NBAGAF.

I need to go register on The Coli or something. Can't hang with this shit.

you'd fit right in with LWO (Lakers World Order)
http://www.the-coli.com/coliseum/127085-21-year-old-kobe-prime-lebron.html#.UebaIaz92yM
Title: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Huff on July 17, 2013, 01:59:45 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 17, 2013, 02:27:50 AM
she's a kansas jayhawks fan, so yes, yes indeed, fuck her.

Hmm gunna need a pic first. Preferably multiple at different angles
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Brehvolution on July 17, 2013, 02:00:05 PM
Kobe is the GOAT on buying $4M forgiveness rings. Gotta give props where they're due.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: etiolate on July 19, 2013, 10:26:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BRoCwbCkfY

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 25, 2013, 02:15:42 PM
https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/360164437451227136 (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/360164437451227136)

awwww yeah

(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1077789/Mike_Miller_SOV.jpg)

Happy for him.  Memphis needs spacing like whoa, and they just took a damn good step in the right direction.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 25, 2013, 03:16:44 PM
Quote from: The Onion
Greg Oden Suppresses Severe Shooting Pain All Over Body During Meeting With Heat


INDIANAPOLIS—Having already received interest from several other NBA teams, reports confirmed Thursday that former Portland Trail Blazers center Greg Oden suppressed acute shooting pains throughout his entire body while holding talks over a prospective move to the Miami Heat.

According to sources, Oden attended a two-hour meeting with head coach Erik Spoelstra and other members of the Heat coaching staff, during which he attempted to conceal constant surges of excruciating physical distress.

“I can’t wait to get back on the court,” said Oden, forcing a wide smile as wave after wave of tortuous pain reportedly flooded through nerves in his arms, legs, neck, chest, and back. “I feel refreshed, healthy, and raring to go. I had a few tough years there, but I’m ready to prove I can be a dominant NBA center.”

“Honestly, I’ve never felt better,” Oden added before abruptly drawing a sharp intake of breath and clearing his throat.

Reports confirmed the two-time defending NBA champions are keen to utilize Oden, who did his utmost to hide the searing pain running from the tips of his fingers to the bottoms of his feet, as a traditional center alongside LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, and Chris Bosh.

Grinding his teeth and enduring what sources called “a piercing stabbing” in his ribs, the former Ohio State star insisted that he is ready to prove his durability and put his injury-blighted time in Portland behind him.

“I know I have a history of knee issues and microfracture surgeries, but my doctors will clear me for full-contact by early August, and I’ll definitely be ready by opening day,” Oden said while reportedly experiencing sweeping, severe burning sensations across every inch of his skin. “But I’m not just aiming to play—I want to win titles. I want to be the best in the league.”

“I’m just looking for a fresh start,” continued Oden, his left eye twitching as intense cramps seized every muscle in his body. “That’s all.”

Despite possessing a $3.2 million taxpayer mid-level exception for next season, the Heat were said to propose a one-year, $1 million contract to Oden, who responded by forcefully clenching his fists amid what appeared to be some sort of full-body spasm. Sources added that on two separate occasions during the negotiations, Oden stopped speaking mid-sentence, shut his eyes, and inhaled deeply before continuing.

“Honestly, I’ve never felt more motivated to play basketball,” Oden said as a fresh burst of agonizing pain reportedly rushed through both of his knees. “I’m really determined to make the best of this opportunity to get my career back on track.”

According to reports, Oden later began repeatedly shifting in his chair, hurriedly muttering “Yep, yep, yep” and “Uh-huh, uh-huh, got it” as Spoelstra explained in detail how the former number one overall draft pick would figure into Miami’s motion offense.

However, while assistant coach David Fizdale subsequently laid out various four-out/one-in schemes in which Oden could play alongside the team’s perimeter shooters, the 7-footer is said to have sat perfectly still, reportedly terrified that with even the slightest movement, the intense throbbing would cause him to black out.

At one point, sources said Oden looked upward as beads of sweat poured down his face and softly whispered, “You can do this.”

“I can’t wait to show you how much my low-post game has improved,” said Oden, adding that he needed “a few minutes alone to get ready” before his scheduled workout for the Heat and various other NBA teams. “I’ve been working really hard, and I’m 100 percent ready to—Jesus fucking Christ—excuse me, I mean to say I’m 100 percent ready to play at the highest level.”

Sources confirmed that immediately after the Heat staff exited the room, Oden sank into his chair, put his face into his hands, and began violently sobbing.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: naff on July 25, 2013, 06:08:58 PM
 :obama
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 30, 2013, 09:59:09 AM
Pretty sad it took me 3 paragraphs before I realized it was fake. lol

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Steve Contra on July 30, 2013, 02:16:06 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 25, 2013, 03:16:44 PM
Quote from: The Onion
Greg Oden Suppresses Severe Shooting Pain All Over Body During Meeting With Heat


INDIANAPOLIS—Having already received interest from several other NBA teams, reports confirmed Thursday that former Portland Trail Blazers center Greg Oden suppressed acute shooting pains throughout his entire body while holding talks over a prospective move to the Miami Heat.

According to sources, Oden attended a two-hour meeting with head coach Erik Spoelstra and other members of the Heat coaching staff, during which he attempted to conceal constant surges of excruciating physical distress.

“I can’t wait to get back on the court,” said Oden, forcing a wide smile as wave after wave of tortuous pain reportedly flooded through nerves in his arms, legs, neck, chest, and back. “I feel refreshed, healthy, and raring to go. I had a few tough years there, but I’m ready to prove I can be a dominant NBA center.”

“Honestly, I’ve never felt better,” Oden added before abruptly drawing a sharp intake of breath and clearing his throat.

Reports confirmed the two-time defending NBA champions are keen to utilize Oden, who did his utmost to hide the searing pain running from the tips of his fingers to the bottoms of his feet, as a traditional center alongside LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, and Chris Bosh.

Grinding his teeth and enduring what sources called “a piercing stabbing” in his ribs, the former Ohio State star insisted that he is ready to prove his durability and put his injury-blighted time in Portland behind him.

“I know I have a history of knee issues and microfracture surgeries, but my doctors will clear me for full-contact by early August, and I’ll definitely be ready by opening day,” Oden said while reportedly experiencing sweeping, severe burning sensations across every inch of his skin. “But I’m not just aiming to play—I want to win titles. I want to be the best in the league.”

“I’m just looking for a fresh start,” continued Oden, his left eye twitching as intense cramps seized every muscle in his body. “That’s all.”

Despite possessing a $3.2 million taxpayer mid-level exception for next season, the Heat were said to propose a one-year, $1 million contract to Oden, who responded by forcefully clenching his fists amid what appeared to be some sort of full-body spasm. Sources added that on two separate occasions during the negotiations, Oden stopped speaking mid-sentence, shut his eyes, and inhaled deeply before continuing.

“Honestly, I’ve never felt more motivated to play basketball,” Oden said as a fresh burst of agonizing pain reportedly rushed through both of his knees. “I’m really determined to make the best of this opportunity to get my career back on track.”

According to reports, Oden later began repeatedly shifting in his chair, hurriedly muttering “Yep, yep, yep” and “Uh-huh, uh-huh, got it” as Spoelstra explained in detail how the former number one overall draft pick would figure into Miami’s motion offense.

However, while assistant coach David Fizdale subsequently laid out various four-out/one-in schemes in which Oden could play alongside the team’s perimeter shooters, the 7-footer is said to have sat perfectly still, reportedly terrified that with even the slightest movement, the intense throbbing would cause him to black out.

At one point, sources said Oden looked upward as beads of sweat poured down his face and softly whispered, “You can do this.”

“I can’t wait to show you how much my low-post game has improved,” said Oden, adding that he needed “a few minutes alone to get ready” before his scheduled workout for the Heat and various other NBA teams. “I’ve been working really hard, and I’m 100 percent ready to—Jesus fucking Christ—excuse me, I mean to say I’m 100 percent ready to play at the highest level.”

Sources confirmed that immediately after the Heat staff exited the room, Oden sank into his chair, put his face into his hands, and began violently sobbing.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/nike-releases-new-greg-odens,33262/ (http://www.theonion.com/articles/nike-releases-new-greg-odens,33262/)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 30, 2013, 02:25:08 PM
 :-\

I was really looking forward to his NBA career. Didn't think he would be an offensive force but I figured he'd dominate defensively.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 30, 2013, 05:49:15 PM
Pistons got Brandon Jennings in a sign and trade

Rodney Stuckey, Brandon Jennings, Josh Smith...Dunno what will be lower, the Charlotte Bobcats' win percentage or those three's shooting percentage.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 30, 2013, 06:56:33 PM
Jennings to the Pistons  :sabu
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: etiolate on July 30, 2013, 07:33:18 PM
i'm so sorry maurice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 30, 2013, 09:09:28 PM
Jesus what is taking Oden so long to pick a team.

 :maf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: T-Short on July 31, 2013, 08:07:01 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 30, 2013, 05:49:15 PM
Pistons got Brandon Jennings in a sign and trade

Rodney Stuckey, Brandon Jennings, Josh Smith...Dunno what will be lower, the Charlotte Bobcats' win percentage or those three's shooting percentage.

Wow, Brandon Knight shitbinned
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 31, 2013, 09:24:42 AM
The battle for the Eastern 8th seed is really heating up this off-season.

:zzz

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 31, 2013, 10:52:08 AM
Brandon Knight, another classic Dumars lottery pick.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 02, 2013, 03:05:36 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BQr0ry9CQAAVRJT.jpg:large)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 02, 2013, 09:43:44 PM
You're in luck, Stoney!  You'll get to see him in a Heat Uniform* next year!

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/02/report-greg-oden-to-sign-with-miami-heat/

*on your bench most likely.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2013, 10:02:19 PM
He's only 25. Hopefully he can recover and be productive.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 02, 2013, 10:44:31 PM
If he can stay healthy, I see no reason why he can't be one of the more effective centers in the league.  Can you imagine if he proves he's a starting talent again...

Chalmers
Wade
Lebron
Bosh
Oden

:lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 02, 2013, 10:47:55 PM
Happy about this. It's pretty much a no lose proposition. If he contributes. Great. If he doesn't. Pretty much same team as last year anyway.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Oden and his bad knees to the Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 02, 2013, 10:53:28 PM
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/70297/grantland-exclusive-greg-oden-on-why-he-chose-miami
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Oden and his bad knees to the Heat)
Post by: T-Short on August 07, 2013, 08:07:43 AM
Schedule is out.

Also, Beasley busted with weed again:

http://www.nba.com/2013/news/08/06/suns-beasley-arrested.ap/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpts (http://www.nba.com/2013/news/08/06/suns-beasley-arrested.ap/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpts)

 :comeon
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-Season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 07, 2013, 08:30:36 PM
[insert AWESOM-O related joke]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crp2Nk2VMn8

Quote
His words translate as: “After seeing Kobe I was overcome with excitement. I couldn’t stop crying. I kept crying.”
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-Season)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2013, 08:44:17 PM
Quote
Minnesota Timberwolves guard Shabazz Muhammad has been sent home from the NBA's Rookie Transition Program, the team confirmed Wednesday.

USA Today reported Muhammad was dismissed for violating a rule by bringing a female guest into his hotel room. Muhammad also will be fined, according to the report.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9548377/shabazz-muhammad-minnesota-timberwolves-expelled-rookie-program

dude is a fucking idiot. Talented as hell but...bah.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-Season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 14, 2013, 11:46:39 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eepUcyxw_XM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aOF8kr_yzY
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-Season)
Post by: Eric P on August 14, 2013, 12:13:19 PM
<3 harden
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-Season)
Post by: Himu on August 14, 2013, 03:18:27 PM
http://www.nba.com/rockets/gallery/howard-and-olajuwon-workouts

MANDARK

look at hakeem's dejected face

(http://www.nba.com/rockets/sites/rockets/files/imagecache/image_gallery_default/176509195_10_0.jpg)

"I made a big mistake"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-Season)
Post by: Himu on August 14, 2013, 03:22:44 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on August 07, 2013, 08:30:36 PM
[insert AWESOM-O related joke]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crp2Nk2VMn8

Quote
His words translate as: “After seeing Kobe I was overcome with excitement. I couldn’t stop crying. I kept crying.”

This is really cute
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Off-Season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 14, 2013, 10:54:33 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9568842/girlfriend-ryan-anderson-new-orleans-hornets-dies

Weird.

Apparently it was suicide.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Harden Soul)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 14, 2013, 11:15:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc6d1t7CeJs&sns=em

 :bow2



(http://bossip.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/james-harden-white-party-ssc-e1345574487800.jpg?w=523)
(http://static03.mediaite.com/sportsgrid/uploads/2012/08/hardenparty.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread ((Harden Soul))
Post by: Himu on August 14, 2013, 11:18:45 PM
Omg lmao
Title: Re: The NBA thread ((Harden Soul))
Post by: Your Stalker on August 14, 2013, 11:19:49 PM
the new goat :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread ((Harden Soul))
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 14, 2013, 11:20:36 PM
Paid 20k to smash Jenna Shea
 :yeshrug

Title: Re: The NBA thread ((Harden Soul))
Post by: Eric P on August 15, 2013, 07:36:38 AM
omg

"i work so harden to be with u"

Title: Re: The NBA thread ((Harden Soul))
Post by: Eric P on August 15, 2013, 09:04:03 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fqC3AiJyIAY#at=16
Title: Re: The NBA thread ((Harden Soul))
Post by: etiolate on August 17, 2013, 02:03:10 PM
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When his dream of buying the Sacramento Kings was shattered three months ago, Seattle investor Chris Hansen was gracious in defeat and offered Sacramento congratulations for keeping the team.

On Friday, he was unmasked as the mystery donor behind the signature-gathering effort to force a public vote on the Kings' proposed downtown arena - an effort that could derail the arena and jeopardize the team's future in Sacramento once again.
Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2013/08/16/5657299/seattle-investor-chris-hansen.html#storylink=cpy

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9575561/chris-hansen-gave-100000-group-opposing-new-sacramento-kings-arena

Fuck Seattle. Hope he never gets a team now. Douchebag #1
Title: Re: The NBA thread ((Harden Soul))
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 17, 2013, 04:15:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw4sbssPPVg&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: The NBA thread ((Harden Soul))
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 17, 2013, 04:20:23 PM
Yeah, fuck Seattle, the entire damn city.  Not just the one investor who was a prick.

That entire city who's team was stolen away from them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ((Harden Soul))
Post by: etiolate on August 17, 2013, 04:31:34 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on August 17, 2013, 04:20:23 PM
Yeah, fuck Seattle, the entire damn city.  Not just the one investor who was a prick.

That entire city who's team was stolen away from them.

I say fuck seattle because a lot of their fans have been pulling this nonsense that their attempt to take away the Kings was good and honest because it wasn't exactly like Clay Bennet's deal. Now we see how even more of a douche Hansen was about getting this thing done. The fanbase also has this self-important, entitled attitude that has annoyed other fanbases for years. There's also the funneling their own crowd noise through speakers at Seahawk games to amplify noise. There's just a lot of history with Seattle fans that annoy people.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ((Harden Soul))
Post by: Mandark on August 18, 2013, 01:38:52 AM
Quote from: etiolate on August 17, 2013, 04:31:34 PM
There's just a lot of history with Seattle fans that annoy people fans of rival teams.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 29, 2013, 01:54:30 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/iAd7GxE.png)
mods plz

:bronshinobi
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat sign weed monster)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 11, 2013, 07:10:39 PM
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Miami HEATVerified account
‏@MiamiHEAT
OFFICIAL: The @MiamiHEAT have signed Michael Beasley.

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It is a non-guaranteed deal, but if Beasley makes the team, he will make $1.027 million.



Another move I really like. High Potential upside. Very little cost. Dude is a knucklehead but hopefully he will be fine since he won't be asked to do that much.

At least Birdman has a weed buddy on the team now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat sign weed monster)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 11, 2013, 07:23:02 PM
I thought Beasley was going to be so fucking good. Bah, he still has potential and is young...if he can just get his mind right...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat sign weed monster)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 11, 2013, 10:30:14 PM
the heat have the weirdest bench  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat sign weed monster)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 11, 2013, 11:09:23 PM
 :lol

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Why did a source close to Lakers management tell ESPN.com: "Within the organization there isn't a single person that believes we can bring LeBron aboard"?

Quote
The second reason the Lakers may struggle to get a free agent is that Bryant has gained a reputation as a difficult teammate. The Lakers have been a fine destination of late for role players, but not for would-be stars such as Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol, Shaquille O’Neal and Andrew Bynum, none of whom get the ball as much as they'd like, and all of whom, despite playing well, become targets for media scorn.

“Pau is a two-time champion and a five-time All-Star and he’s one of the most disrespected players ever,” notes one agent. “He gets bad press all the time.”

Another agent says: "The Lakers are Kobe. You have to understand that. It's not the organization for you if you want the ball or the spotlight. All that glitters ain't gold."

I asked a third agent, who has a Lakers client right now, if he thought Bryant might be a sticking point for free agents. His immediate response: "Uh, duh. Yes."

This might sound like a lot of rumor spreading, but players already have declined the option to play on the Lakers alongside Bryant. Howard turned down more guaranteed money to move on to a less celebrated franchise.

And don’t forget the fascinating case of Ramon Sessions. He was the toast of the Lakers for a brief spell -- and when he reached free agency there was every chance he could have returned as the Lakers’ starting point guard.

Instead he declined the Lakers' offer and opted to become the backup point guard for the Charlotte Bobcats, who were coming off the worst season in league history. Sessions has never expressed the slightest hint of regret.

The multiyear deal Charlotte offered was part of Sessions' calculus. But sources with knowledge of his thinking say tricky Lakers politics, where the blame tends to fall everywhere but with Bryant, was also on his mind.

The theory of finding a star to play alongside Bryant hinges on the notion that such a star would find joy in doing so. But who’s the role model for that? Here’s a Nash quote, from an interview this summer on Grantland:
I knew it wasn’t gonna be the same. I felt like I was going to try something new, and that I was going to adapt — and to accept that, and embrace it. I think it’d be nice to find a middle ground where he does his thing but the ball still can move for great parts of the game. Hopefully we can find that this season. But I knew it wasn’t going to be the same. When you play with Kobe Bryant, the ball is gonna be with him most of the time.

Does Nash sound joyous to you?


http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/62707/the-lakers-wont-win-free-agency
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat sign weed monster)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 11, 2013, 11:18:32 PM
pretty much what I figured.  kobe is a cancer
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat sign weed monster)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 11, 2013, 11:19:59 PM
also, from reddit:

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Speaking of Birdman, can the Beasley and Birdman combo be called 'the Bird and the Beas'?

 :ohhh :ohhh :ohhh

its too perfect
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat sign weed monster)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 11, 2013, 11:21:37 PM
I understand why as a player you would tolerate Kobe when he was truly great despite the annoyances. But playing with old Kobe has got to be an utterly castrating experience. I have no idea why Steve Nash went there. It made no sense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat sign weed monster)
Post by: Your Stalker on September 11, 2013, 11:24:12 PM
I thought the Lkers turned down Sessions so they could go after Nash.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat sign weed monster)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 12, 2013, 09:12:37 PM
these have been consistently amazing :rofl

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/74355/text-messages-to-j-r-smith-when-have-you-ever-shot-a-fadeaway-3-for-anyone-but-yourself (http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/74355/text-messages-to-j-r-smith-when-have-you-ever-shot-a-fadeaway-3-for-anyone-but-yourself)

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J.R.: bro, you know we have Carmelo Anthony and Amar'e Stoudemire right?
Me: yes
J.R.: then?
Me: but you know that they’re Carmelo Anthony and Amar'e Stoudemire, right?
J.R.: Carmelo just won the scoring title
Me: yeah, but he also wore cornrows for like nine years
J.R.: :/
Me: cornrows are the spirit enemy of nba championships

:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat sign weed monster)
Post by: etiolate on September 23, 2013, 02:15:47 PM
http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2013/9/23/4761716/shaq-sacramento-kings-owner-shaquille-oneal


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Shaquille O'Neal — "Dr. O'Neal," if you ask him — is hoping to help cure the Sacramento Kings.

As the Kings continue their image makeover that was sparked by the late May sale of the team to Vivek Ranadive, they have made a big and bold move by adding O'Neal as a minority owner

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/kings/2013/09/23/shaq-sacramento-kings-shaquille-oneal/2854021/


This all feels so wrong.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Still boring Off-season)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 23, 2013, 03:41:20 PM
 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Still boring Off-season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 24, 2013, 12:57:07 AM
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MIAMI -- So long, James, Allen, Pierce and Garnett.

King James, Jesus Shuttlesworth, The Truth and KG might be headed to the backs of NBA jerseys.

Some members of the Miami Heat have been told the NBA is considering having them and the Brooklyn Nets wear "nickname jerseys" in at least one of their four matchups this season. The NBA has not announced the plan, but teams apparently have been aware of the likelihood of it happening for at least several weeks.

For now, only the Heat and the Nets would be taking part. It's unclear how many times those teams would wear the nickname jerseys or whether they would ever wear them against other opponents.

"It shows growth in our league and it shows we do adapt to what's going on around us," said Ray Allen, the Heat guard who plans to wear "Shuttlesworth" on his jersey, a nod to his character from the film "He Got Game." "And we're still kids, playing a kids' game. Even though we're now men playing a kids' game, we still remember where we come from. Everybody had a nickname, and it's a way to let the fans in a little bit more."

Players were asked to submit what names they would want on the jerseys.

Four-time NBA MVP LeBron James is expected to wear "King James." Heat guard Dwyane Wade would have any number of nicknames to choose from, with "Three" -- both his jersey number and championship-ring total -- being his current favorite. He also could go with his more commonly known name, "D-Wade."

Brooklyn forward Paul Pierce has been called "The Truth" for many years, and fellow new Nets forward Kevin Garnett has long been known by his initials or "The Big Ticket."

The Heat and Nets are among the preseason favorites in the Eastern Conference, which Miami has won in each of the past three seasons.

Miami forward Shane Battier -- who wasn't exactly thrilled about the nickname idea -- said he wanted to wear "Batman" on his jersey, although he was told that Warner Bros. holds the rights to that name. Other players also have had to deal with copyright-related issues with their suggested monikers. Battier said he'll go with "Shaneo" instead.

"Fans will like it, and so will a lot of the players," Allen said. "Guys will get a good kick out of it."

Kendall Marshall of the Phoenix Suns wasn't supportive of the idea on Twitter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Still boring Off-season)
Post by: pilonv1 on September 24, 2013, 12:59:00 AM
Any more than once a year would be stupid
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Still boring Off-season)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 24, 2013, 11:53:08 AM
Chris Bosh as the Raptor.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Still boring Off-season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 24, 2013, 01:42:54 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on September 24, 2013, 11:53:08 AM
Chris Bosh as the Raptor.

It would have to be "Like a Bosh" if there is any justice in this universe.

I would also accept "The Ostrich"

(http://i.imgur.com/j56no.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Still boring Off-season)
Post by: Eric P on September 24, 2013, 01:52:44 PM
first picture is an emu
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Still boring Off-season)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 24, 2013, 01:55:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amKuElrMReQ
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Still boring Off-season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 24, 2013, 06:31:30 PM
While I'm not overly a fan of the dude on the court, off the court he seems like the most normal and fun of the big three. If I imagine I could hang out with any of them, he would be the one I would pick.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Still boring Off-season)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 24, 2013, 06:52:08 PM
Bosh still is great on the floor, especially where stats DON'T come in to play.  Hell, he made possibly the best play for the Heat's entire season, maybe even reign under the Big 3, with his kickback to Allen in Game 6.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Still boring Off-season)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 25, 2013, 02:28:34 PM
mods plz
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll233/gmengfx/lamarsmiley_zpsca19ffdc.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Still boring Off-season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 26, 2013, 04:35:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2_9byuMSJk
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Still boring Off-season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 27, 2013, 01:55:17 AM
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DeMarcus Cousins' extension with the Kings is a four-year, $58 million maximum extension, league source tells Y! Sports.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Still boring Off-season)
Post by: Mandark on September 27, 2013, 02:40:26 AM
Kinda doubtful he'll play up to the value of that contract, but I don't think it's a horrible deal.  Athletic big guys in their 20's are always tradable, and maybe he'll develop now that the situation around him seems less dysfunctional.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Still boring Off-season)
Post by: etiolate on September 27, 2013, 02:54:39 AM
Good. People outside of Sac don't know how good he's been despite all the troubles.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Still boring Off-season)
Post by: Mandark on September 27, 2013, 03:15:46 AM
NBA fans know Cousins, and he hasn't been THAT good.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Still boring Off-season)
Post by: pilonv1 on September 27, 2013, 06:46:10 AM
Quote from: etiolate on September 27, 2013, 02:54:39 AM
Good. People outside of Sac don't know how good he's been despite all the troubles.

I've seen him play. Hard to look good there because Keith Smart
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Still boring Off-season)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 27, 2013, 12:40:30 PM
Cousins has great potential but is just abysmal defensively in pick and rolls.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Still boring Off-season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 27, 2013, 07:47:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S68TXBpMXpA
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Still boring Off-season)
Post by: Your Stalker on September 27, 2013, 09:39:38 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/24Ge1mr.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Still boring Off-season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 29, 2013, 11:39:42 PM
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Sources: Competition Committee votes unanimously to return NBA Finals to 2-2-1-1-1 format. Owners' approval to come.

Nice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Still boring Off-season)
Post by: pilonv1 on September 30, 2013, 08:47:29 PM
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Larry Sanders was asked for a response after Brandon Jennings comments on playing with better big men in Detroit: "He has to pass it to them first".

:dead :dead :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Still boring Off-season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 02, 2013, 05:35:20 AM
2k is putting up these videos with Jordan giving "real talk".   :yuck


Great promotion for them but man Jordan gets more and more annoying the older he gets.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cODJKa9LOQI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqTQL0yXLoI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhQCFwnKccQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwVVCDWrMCc
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2k basketball more interesting than real nba news)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 02, 2013, 05:56:30 AM
Where is AWESOME-O?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ze10lFGCjBw


(http://i41.tinypic.com/2w3s7c4.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2k basketball more interesting than real nba news)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 02, 2013, 11:23:41 AM
The Basketball Jones guys go big time. Good for them.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfqpdjLD_RE
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2k basketball more interesting than real nba news)
Post by: etiolate on October 02, 2013, 06:42:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx43hlCbNSc
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2k basketball more interesting than real nba news)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2013, 10:08:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VezWvl-YAA
4:20 mark

(http://replygif.net/i/1049.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2k basketball more interesting than real nba news)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 04, 2013, 01:20:20 PM
First he didn't want to be like Lebron

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"And it was a tug of war between my feelings and the fans and everybody else and their feelings and what happened to LeBron. And I saw him -- everybody hated him for leaving Cleveland and what he did," Howard said of LeBron James' free-agent move from the Cleveland Cavaliers to the Miami Heat in 2010. "I never wanted anybody to hate me, you know. I wanted everybody to love me, you know, like me, for sticking around and doing what they wanted me to do. And making everybody else happy. And that was a valuable lesson for me, you know.

"I can't make everybody happy."

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/8386976/dwight-howard-los-angeles-lakers-never-wanted-anybody-hate-me

and now he wants to be like Lebron


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--dwight-howard-vows-to-follow-lebron-james--path-from-villain-to-champion-143045547.html

 :ufup

Title: Re: The NBA thread (2k basketball more interesting than real nba news)
Post by: Eric P on October 07, 2013, 08:37:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZNuAbQ6PJ4#t=106
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2k basketball more interesting than real nba news)
Post by: Beezy on October 07, 2013, 09:17:34 PM
exposed in preseason :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2k basketball more interesting than real nba news)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 07, 2013, 10:39:38 PM
wow
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pre-season has begun)
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2013, 03:32:04 AM
ESPN has started posting up their Insider previews.

First four teams, top two in each conference:
Heat: 54-28
Bulls: 50-32

Spurs: 60-22
Clippers: 54-28
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pre-season has begun)
Post by: pilonv1 on October 09, 2013, 07:37:54 AM
lol cry moar lakers fan
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pre-season has begun)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 09, 2013, 11:19:33 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on October 09, 2013, 05:03:12 AM
What's the point of even having basketball this season. Wish they could just cancel this shit.

(http://images.ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/LEBRONTOP.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pre-season has begun)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 09, 2013, 11:21:48 AM
 :whew :whew :whew

dat champ
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pre-season has begun)
Post by: Your Stalker on October 09, 2013, 04:42:46 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on October 09, 2013, 05:03:12 AM
What's the point of even having basketball this season. Wish they could just cancel this shit.

You're not looking forward to getting swept in the first round again or even better, the 9 seed?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pre-season has begun)
Post by: Smooth Groove on October 10, 2013, 09:30:04 PM
Like Stoney, I'm a big put off by MJ's relentless arrogance but it's still fun to watch him schooling a punk like OJ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goInA2sgWNs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pre-season has begun)
Post by: etiolate on October 10, 2013, 10:36:40 PM
larrybrownsports.com?

How does such a thing happen
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pre-season has begun)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 11, 2013, 03:34:18 AM
If you want to re-live lakers-age (aka 95% of gaf) being absolutely awful during game 6 of the finals, start here:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=577941&page=306 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=577941&page=306)

and enjoy the schadenfreude that follows
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pre-season has begun)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 11, 2013, 10:45:43 AM
Bill and Jalen have been doing Season Previews for each team. More for fun rather than actual real insight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPUgG4Wamao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH0iGwY9MSc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iOfS54U00Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXg56rY-v6E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTe0IG8drxI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI1HrGvR4JI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SMYbdKAJ-8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTU37EXkSH4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIAZbzcGRXs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6n3CYaQoio
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pre-season has begun)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 11, 2013, 10:59:03 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I9vHz_1gLA
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pre-season has begun)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 11, 2013, 12:41:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF_L6w2A1r0&feature=youtu.be

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pre-season has begun)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 11, 2013, 09:10:51 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pre-season has begun)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 11, 2013, 09:23:51 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on October 11, 2013, 09:20:25 PM
How is that funny? The apocalypse wouldn't have been any worse than a second James/Wade/Bosh/Stern title, all things considered.

All joking aside, I'll never understand your stance since Kobe's Lakers defeating the Kings is one of the most controversial moments in all of sports. You have a truly amazing capacity to look at one side of the coin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjRcTiwVEwo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pre-season has begun)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 11, 2013, 09:27:04 PM
eh he's just being a sportsdick, as we all are in some respects.  I'm a sportsdick because I look the other way when my star quarterback raped a girl.  Super Bowls baby!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pre-season has begun)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 11, 2013, 09:29:12 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on October 11, 2013, 09:27:04 PM
eh he's just being a sportsdick, as we all are in some respects.  I'm a sportsdick because I look the other way when my star quarterback raped a girl.  Super Bowls baby!

It's a meme that personally I would be embarrassed to use. It's make you look like a crazy person. But that's just me I guess.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pre-season has begun)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 11, 2013, 09:34:17 PM
On a completely random side note here is a story I never knew about until I watched the 30 for 30 on the aba St Louis Spirits.

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The Spirits were not included in the merger, but the Silna brothers nonetheless managed to turn the merger, for them, into one of the greatest deals in the history of professional sports:[7][8][9] ) In June, 1976 the remaining ABA owners agreed, in return for the Spirits folding, to pay the St. Louis owners $2.2 million in cash up front in addition to a 1/7 share of the four remaining teams' television revenues in perpetuity.[2][8][10] As the NBA's popularity exploded in the 1980s and 1990s, the league's television rights were sold to CBS and then NBC, and additional deals were struck with the TNT and TBS cable networks; league television revenue soared into the hundreds of millions of dollars. Over the past 25 years, the Silnas have collected approximately $100 million from the NBA, despite the fact that the Spirits never played an NBA game. The Silnas continue to receive checks from the NBA on a yearly basis, representing a 4/7 share of the television money that would normally go to any NBA franchise.[2][8][11] Thanks to their deal during the ABA-NBA merger the Silnas made millions through the 1980s and at least $4.4 million per year through the 1990s.[11] From 1999 through 2002 the deal netted the Spirits' owners at least $12.53 million per year; from 2003-2006 their take was at least $15.6 million per year.[7][8] The two Silna brothers each get 45% of that television revenue per year and their attorney during the merger negotiations, Donald Schupak, receives 10%.[7] They credit their terrific deal to planning they had done ahead of the merger for the Virginia Squires owners; the Silnas had expected the Spirits and Colonels to enter the NBA but for the ailing Squires to be left out, and the Silnas thought up the television revenue deal as a way to treat the Squires' owners fairly if the Squires did not join the NBA with the other ABA teams.[7] The Silna brothers have received over $255 million in NBA television revenue as of 2012.[12] With New Orleans Saints owner Tom Benson purchasing the New Orleans Hornets from the NBA in 2012 and planning to rename the team, there had been talk that the NBA might negotiate a deal to end the TV deals for the Silna brothers in exchange for rights to the Spirits name.[13] However, this did not happen, as the team ultimately took the name of Pelicans. The deal cut by the Silna brothers and the incredible amount of revenue it has produced over the years has itself become legend.[7]
A resident of Saddle River, New Jersey, Silna lost the money he had invested with Bernie Madoff, with the trustee for the victims of the scheme alleging that Silna and his associates had received $24 million in unearned income from Madoff.[14]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Silna
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pre-season has begun)
Post by: benjipwns on October 12, 2013, 07:57:42 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 09, 2013, 03:32:04 AM
ESPN has started posting up their Insider previews.

First four teams, top two in each conference:
Heat: 54-28
Bulls: 50-32

Spurs: 60-22
Clippers: 54-28
Nets: 50-32
Pacers: 49-33
Pistons: 49-33  :shh

Rockets: 54-28
Thunder: 51-31
Timberwolves: 51-31  :heart
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pre-season has begun)
Post by: Your Stalker on October 12, 2013, 12:31:00 PM
It'd be nice if the wolves could stay healthy for a season...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pre-season has begun)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 12, 2013, 12:32:29 PM
I know Westbrook will miss games but its very hard for me to envision the Timberwolves and the Thunder ending up with the same record.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 12, 2013, 01:38:44 PM
Gonna post my predicks.

Heat: 60-22
Bulls: 55-27
Pacers: 50-32
Nets: 47-35
Knicks - 45-37
Pistons- 42-40
Wizards: 40-42
Cavs: 38-44

Clippers: 58-24
Spurs: 56-26
Thunder: 56-26
Rockets: 55-27
Grizzlies: 54-28
Warriors: 51-31
Mavs: 47-35
Pelicans: 44-38

I could see Atlanta swapping with one of the two low seeds in the East, and The Timberwolves and Trailblazers swapping for either of the two bottoms in the west.

Needless to say, once the playoffs roll around, I could see the Heat having trouble with Nets in round two since its basically Celtics 2.0...but they'll wrap it in 6. It'll be Bulls/Heat with 7 games, and I honestly don't know who wins.  My gut says the Heat, but if Rose has been playing exceptional, who knows.

The West is harder obviously.  I could honestly see the Clippers struggling against the Pelis (in the sense that the games will be close, not so much that the series will run long).  Spurs will make a Texas mockery of the Mavs.  Thunder/Warriors could be the best series all playoffs.  Six games, with the Thunder riding Durant.  Absolute shoot out.

I think the Rockets will be a first round exit, and we'll all have to deal with hearing shit about Dwight for another off season. Lot of shit will be talked about McHale's offense when really, the Grizzlies D will just stifle them, thats all.  Then we'll get another Clippers Grizzlies series :hyper

Clippers will finally beat them.  Spurs will beat the Thunder, and we'll have to deal with similar "he just doesn't have it in him to win it" talk with Durant much like we did with Lebron, despite the fact that his teams have slowly gotten worse each season.  They need a better offensive big man and much much better third or fourth shooting options.

Clippers Spurs, six games, I think the Spurs win.  And we could possibly have a rematch of last year's finals.  If not, I think we have a really fun series with the Bulls/Spurs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2013, 12:25:35 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmfhSjVsEhY
:rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: pilonv1 on October 14, 2013, 05:25:12 AM
:lol the Ian Eagle/Mike Fratello feud MUST CONTINUE
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 14, 2013, 04:21:32 PM
what's the history of their feud?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: pilonv1 on October 14, 2013, 04:52:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGh3ffg12CA
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 14, 2013, 04:58:03 PM
:kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 14, 2013, 05:12:24 PM
It's just an act.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 15, 2013, 09:57:36 PM
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9826280/nba-season-preview-x-files-kawhi-leonard-spurs (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9826280/nba-season-preview-x-files-kawhi-leonard-spurs)

:lawd

goddamn lowe, inject your articles STRAIGHT INTO MY VEINS

Kawhi might be my favorite player to watch (after Lebron of course).  He was so good in the playoffs, and so fucking good in the Finals...looks to me like he'll be an all-star soon.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: pilonv1 on October 16, 2013, 07:34:59 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 14, 2013, 05:12:24 PM
It's just an act.

I don't care, I enjoy it
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2013, 01:35:10 PM
ESPN Insider put up the last three playoff team projections, I'll repost the first five too:
1. Heat: 54-28
2. Bulls: 50-32
3. Nets: 50-32
4. Pacers: 49-33
5. Pistons: 49-33
6. Hawks: 45-37
7. Knicks: 37-45
8. Raptors: 37-45

1. Spurs: 60-22
2. Clippers: 54-28
3. Rockets: 54-28
4. Thunder: 51-31
5. Timberwolves: 51-31
6. Grizzlies: 49-33
7. Nuggets: 44-38
8. Mavericks: 44-38
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 16, 2013, 01:43:00 PM
Nuggets?  :heh :heh :heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2013, 02:14:21 PM
Quote
Howard said he was disappointed that, last February, after the Magic acquired Tobias Harris in a trade, the team granted Harris' request to wear No. 12, Howard's old number.

"I just think that despite whatever happened, there was a lot of things that I did and that we did as a team, and that number was special down there," Howard said. "And I was a little bit upset about that."
:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 16, 2013, 02:21:46 PM
I give Dwight credit. Most athletes you detest because they are arrogant or thuggish or some variation of that.

He has created a whole new archetype of detestable athlete. Unrepentant neediness.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: Beezy on October 16, 2013, 03:02:59 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 16, 2013, 01:35:10 PM
ESPN Insider put up the last three playoff team projections, I'll repost the first five too:
1. Heat: 54-28
2. Bulls: 50-32
3. Nets: 50-32
4. Pacers: 49-33
5. Pistons: 49-33
6. Hawks: 45-37
7. Knicks: 37-45
8. Raptors: 37-45

Smh, a losing record and placed behind those two teams? Knicks get no respect. Also, I really don't understand why people are so optimistic about the Nets.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 16, 2013, 03:15:54 PM
Celtics 2.0 + AK47 is pretty appealing sounding.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: Beezy on October 16, 2013, 03:36:16 PM
Except they're not Celtics 2.0
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 16, 2013, 04:00:00 PM
Eh...you think?

-Solid to great point guard
-good defensive SGs
-Great shoopter with Pierce
-Garnett at the post
-A better center than the Celtics had in the big 3 era.

They're a similar team to how the Celtics were.  The Nets, on paper, should be even better than the Celtics were actually.

The Nets' disadvantage will most likely be their defense and (this goes hand in hand) their age.  And their coaching staff most likely.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: Beezy on October 16, 2013, 04:49:21 PM
And their bench unless they upgraded there over the summer and I missed it. I won't say much more about them until I see them play together. I just don't see it working out or see them being top 4 in the east.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 16, 2013, 05:57:20 PM
Nets should be good although I have a feeling that will manifest itself more in the playoffs than the regular season if it does anywhere.

Chicago, Miami, and the Pacers in the East clearly seem the top tier teams.

I don't see why Brooklyn couldn't/shouldn't be 4th in that situation although with such an old team and saving themselves for the playoffs they might fall lower than they should.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2013, 09:07:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F82EHPP3bkM
 :mynicca
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: pilonv1 on October 17, 2013, 06:35:59 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 16, 2013, 01:35:10 PM
ESPN Insider put up the last three playoff team projections, I'll repost the first five too:
1. Heat: 54-28
2. Bulls: 50-32
3. Nets: 50-32
4. Pacers: 49-33
5. Pistons: 49-33
6. Hawks: 45-37
7. Knicks: 37-45
8. Raptors: 37-45

1. Spurs: 60-22
2. Clippers: 54-28
3. Rockets: 54-28
4. Thunder: 51-31
5. Timberwolves: 51-31
6. Grizzlies: 49-33
7. Nuggets: 44-38
8. Mavericks: 44-38

ctrl+f "Warriors"  :comeon
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: Beezy on October 17, 2013, 09:51:03 AM
Quote from: pilonv1 on October 17, 2013, 06:35:59 AM
ctrl+f "Warriors"  :comeon
:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: benjipwns on October 17, 2013, 04:30:27 PM
Quote from: pilonv1 on October 17, 2013, 06:35:59 AM
ctrl+f "Warriors"  :comeon

Quote
Let's talk about that projection at the bottom of the page. The Warriors surely view themselves as contenders in the West, and conventional wisdom places them not far back of the conference's top five teams. The ESPN Summer Forecast projected Golden State sixth in the West with 50 wins. So why isn't SCHOENE on board?

Start with point differential. If the Warriors are starting from a 44-win base rather than 47 wins, some regression is much more predictable. But human observers also saw Golden State as better than its record by the end of the 2012-13 season by virtue of its playoff run. SCHOENE doesn't consider playoff statistics, so what the Warriors did in April and May isn't factored into their projection whatsoever.

...

Since Golden State was such a young team, internal improvement would be expected. Surprisingly, SCHOENE is pessimistic on this front, projecting only slight upticks for the Warriors' youngsters. Rapid development by Barnes and Green, both of whom played better in the playoffs, is the easiest way for Golden State to exceed its projection. That might be needed to offset a possible decline for Lee. Similar players at the same age saw their performance drop by nearly 5 percent the following season, and Lee was already coming off an All-Star campaign that might be difficult to duplicate.

Conventional wisdom also says the Warriors improved over the summer, and again SCHOENE disagrees. Iguodala and Speights are projected for a combined 6.9 wins above replacement (WARP), slightly worse than the 7.5 WARP Jack and Landry combined to provide last season. That's not to say Golden State made a mistake, because Jack and Landry were due to drop off (their combined 2013-14 projection is for 2.9 WARP), but it does suggest their production may be more difficult to replace than anticipated.

The wild card for the Warriors, as always, is health. Having Bogut in the lineup substantially increases their ceiling. Per NBA.com/Stats, Golden State outscored opponents by 7.9 points per 100 possessions with Bogut on the floor in the playoffs but was minus-8.8 points per 100 possessions with him on the bench. As healthy as he feels right now, it's unclear whether Bogut can physically stand up to the rigors of an 82-game season; if he comes anywhere close, it's difficult to envision the Warriors missing the playoffs.

Realistically, SCHOENE is probably underestimating the improvement Iguodala will provide on defense, and slightly underselling the potential of Barnes -- especially if he spends more time at power forward. Golden State is at the head of the pack of teams chasing the West's top five. Yet the red flags SCHOENE identifies are good reasons to believe the Warriors are much closer to that pack than they are to the West's elite.

SCHOENE Projection: 42-40, 2nd in Pacific, 9th in Western Conf.

Also, Cavs: SCHOENE Projection: 37-45, 4th in Central, 9th in Eastern Conference
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: pilonv1 on October 18, 2013, 05:16:52 AM
ctrl+f "Curry"

no mention, go fuck yourself ESPN
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 18, 2013, 04:36:35 PM
Fuck ESPN, read Grantland's article that Simmons and Lowe wrote:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9842911/the-grantland-annual-nba-league-pass-rankings (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9842911/the-grantland-annual-nba-league-pass-rankings)

And jump to the last team.  My rustles are thoroughly and enjoyably rustled :hyper  Got chills, man.

Only 11 days :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: benjipwns on October 18, 2013, 06:45:29 PM
The rest of the teams:
9. Cavaliers: 37-45
10. Wizards: 35-47
11. Bobcats: 32-50
12. Bucks: 31-51
13. Celtics: 29-53
14. Sixers: 25-57
15. Magic: 23-59

9.Warriors: 42-40
10. Blazers: 41-41
11. Pelicans: 41-41
12. Lakers: 35-47
13. Jazz: 34-48
14. Kings: 28-54
15. Suns: 20-62
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: pilonv1 on October 18, 2013, 06:46:39 PM
Warriors have always been fun to watch. Only thing that has changed is that they're winning and people know them
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: benjipwns on October 18, 2013, 06:51:46 PM
Vegas:
1. Heat: 60-22
2. Bulls: 57-25
3. Pacers: 54-28
4. Nets: 53-29
5. Knicks: 50-32
6. Wizards: 42-40
7. Pistons: 41-41
8. Cavaliers: 41-41
9. Hawks: 40-42
10. Raptors: 37-45
11. Bucks: 29-53
12. Celtics: 28-54
13. Bobcats: 28-54
14. Magic: 25-57
15. Sixers: 17-65

1. Clippers: 57-25
2. Spurs: 56-26
3. Rockets: 55-27
4. Thunder: 51-31
5. Warriors: 50-32
6. Grizzlies: 49-33
7. Nuggets: 47-35
8. Mavericks: 44-38
9. Timberwolves: 41-41
10. Pelicans: 40-42
11. Blazers: 39-43
12. Lakers: 34-48
13. Kings: 32-50
14. Jazz: 28-54
15. Suns: 22-60
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 18, 2013, 08:19:24 PM
Vegas seems to like my picks, more or less.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 18, 2013, 08:24:08 PM
I'm obviously rooting for the heat but I also hope the Pacers and the Cavaliers do well. I like both of those teams for different reasons Gilbert aside.

It's funny how that works. I like the Pacers but still hate the Bulls. I could tolerate the Pacers beating the heat. The bulls beating them would annoy me for some reason.

I also like that you have a few Eastern teams that have been bad for awhile with a chance to get back into the playoffs. The Cavs, The Pistons, The Wizards. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 18, 2013, 09:04:12 PM
The Pistons are going to be amazing to watch this year in a "how the fuck are they making this work..." type of way.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 19, 2013, 02:39:07 AM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=86580874&postcount=1934
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: Your Stalker on October 19, 2013, 02:43:30 AM
nikka i already linked that in the gaf thread  :pacspit
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 19, 2013, 11:14:39 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Z0mvW9EfJE4&noredirect=1

:obama

Bulls will be darn good, especially against the Heat in the conference finals.  Heat could definitely meet their match in the East finally.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 19, 2013, 02:12:05 PM
Smooth Groove
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gWxHFMog9w
 :lol :lol :lol

every single pick up game has at least 3 of those guys
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: Beezy on October 19, 2013, 03:23:32 PM
so true :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 19, 2013, 03:37:15 PM
lol. banana swirl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 19, 2013, 04:16:18 PM
I'm the my bad guy  :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: Beezy on October 19, 2013, 05:53:23 PM
Me too sometimes. When I was at my worst, I also used to be Mr. Freeze. :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 19, 2013, 07:30:23 PM
that video is missing the pause dude

(http://media.tumblr.com/1852f13357fc29337fbfd3783be978de/tumblr_inline_mpdytrNGSs1qz4rgp.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 21, 2013, 11:20:42 PM
http://instagram.com/p/fvsSQHFCCR/ (http://instagram.com/p/fvsSQHFCCR/)

wade

fuck you wade
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 21, 2013, 11:28:54 PM
Quote
Nerlens Noel to miss season

The Philadelphia 76ers are now expecting to hold first-round draft pick Nerlens Noel out for the entire upcoming season as he recovers from knee surgery, coach Brett Brown said Monday.

"I doubt, everybody doubts that he's going to play this year," Brown said before the Sixers played the Cleveland Cavaliers on Monday. "We don't want to waste this year. I think from a skill perspective, it's an opportunity for us to break down his shot, really work on his free throws and start a little bit from ground zero."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2013, 12:59:10 AM
Who didn't see that coming
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: Beezy on October 22, 2013, 02:48:43 AM
http://youtu.be/D_R_QtZCxEg

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 22, 2013, 12:54:22 PM
I always find these interesting.

http://www.nba.com/news/2013-14-nba-gm-survey/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt3a
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2013, 03:17:31 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 22, 2013, 12:54:22 PM
I always find these interesting.

http://www.nba.com/news/2013-14-nba-gm-survey/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt3a

Cody Zeller in the running for roty?  :comeon
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: etiolate on October 22, 2013, 05:09:49 PM
Further proof that most GMs are terribad
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 23, 2013, 08:10:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhWAIaEGP2o

 :bow2

Man Crush.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 23, 2013, 08:16:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gaj8uTXMwyE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXX1F6jBCgE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQZnQU-Ep8w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZp--2K4eqI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnyPBjGUaLc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNAAqF0UhJQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDt85CzgVDU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjRNJS_L0hg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn15D6uT2io
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHyUCvP3znM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAfr4LGlbtE
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: naff on October 23, 2013, 11:15:32 PM
I had a league pass last year but didn't receive any special offers this time around....

So uh, maybe some muricans can help me out with this question. A friend who's a big bulls and noah fan has her bday coming up. I kno she's wanted a jersey for a while, but I kno she'd want a mesh one not one of these polyester swingman deals. Is my only option the pricey custom authentics? ($300 :kobeyuck) Can anybody vouch for a specific knock off brand/site. I don't need super high quality, so long as it looks decent
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 24, 2013, 12:03:06 AM
r/NBA has said this site is pretty good:

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/group/Revolution-30-Basketball-Jersey/512754_211670151.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/store/group/Revolution-30-Basketball-Jersey/512754_211670151.html)

they're knock offs and you may have to risk an awkward paypal exchange.  I've very nearly bitten the bullet for that iverson nuggets throwback, but I keep pushing it off.  I might try and snag that and a lebron one soon though
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 24, 2013, 12:04:47 AM
goddamit I didn't read your post.  Didn't see she'd rather a mesh one
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: etiolate on October 24, 2013, 12:30:30 AM
Isaiah Thomas with a crazy shot in the 4th vs Warriors.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 24, 2013, 11:42:44 AM
Oden played like 4 minutes for the heat last night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9_fzudAak4
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 24, 2013, 02:24:33 PM
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/media/2.0/teamsites/spurs/imgs/131024_MilitaryJerseys.jpg)

 :dayum
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 24, 2013, 02:54:49 PM
Kawhi with the "kill me" look
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: etiolate on October 24, 2013, 04:04:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01MBjKT5Ouc

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: naff on October 24, 2013, 11:48:06 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on October 24, 2013, 12:04:47 AM
goddamit I didn't read your post.  Didn't see she'd rather a mesh one

Np. Thanks!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 25, 2013, 08:51:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POxMSdBg8GA

 :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2013, 09:26:42 PM
I doubt Oden will play half the season, if that much.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 25, 2013, 09:33:05 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2013, 09:26:42 PM
I doubt Oden will play half the season, if that much.

I think most people are assuming this. He is essentially envisioned as a playoff player to go against the Bulls and the Pacers. Basically the defensive version of Mike Miller they are hoping.

Beasley should be more productive by comparison during the regular season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 25, 2013, 09:58:17 PM
76ers starting lineup.

Point Guard   Michael Carter-Williams      
Shooting Guard   James Anderson         
Small Forward   Evan Turner         
Power Forward   Thaddeus Young   
Center   Spencer Hawes


 :goty
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 25, 2013, 10:25:16 PM
the evan turner era has begun
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 26, 2013, 10:50:46 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/6tHtsMQ.gif)


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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 27, 2013, 09:38:25 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/4oeQJup.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2013, 10:22:35 PM
Why aren't they in the gym? That type of amateur attitude doesn't win championships.
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: Your Stalker on October 27, 2013, 10:43:40 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjPgAQQst7U
 :whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2013, 10:58:48 PM
Rasheed Wallace, ladies and gentlemen.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 27, 2013, 11:07:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmWMz10Ftko
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 28, 2013, 07:31:34 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BXryiWoIIAAaF-a.jpg:large)

needs to become an emote
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: Smooth Groove on October 29, 2013, 03:01:07 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=spDdO_ZB-lE
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: Your Stalker on October 29, 2013, 05:29:50 AM
i don't care if it's fake that nikka at 3:12 needs to kill himself
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 29th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 29, 2013, 11:01:54 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtMomTZ2gn0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVmUjif1ntM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=176mpmgE4Jk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgevj0bojA8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz_BSBRnZNo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi_Q_aq-2cQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJIn4Otnoqc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3pHk75rm1A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTGxzAaAk5M
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins! Heat versus Bulls tonight)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 29, 2013, 12:36:03 PM
Bulls/Heat tonight

 :aah :aah :aah :aah

starting the season off right with the best two teams in the league

minus the spurs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins! Heat versus Bulls tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 29, 2013, 12:56:43 PM
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9895807/can-lebron-james-miami-heat-win-third-nba-title


As usual nice article from Zach Lowe evaluating Miami and their chance for the three-peat.
Title: And we're off!
Post by: Mandark on October 29, 2013, 07:42:49 PM
Hibbert with 12 rebounds in the first quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins! Heat versus Bulls tonight)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2013, 08:07:12 PM
Anyone used TNT's online Overtime stream? Apparently the game will be streamed tonight.
Title: Re: And we're off!
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 29, 2013, 08:14:19 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 29, 2013, 07:42:49 PM
Hibbert with 12 rebounds in the first quarter.

He should have a monster season. Better team. Better confidence. More in shape.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins! Heat versus Bulls tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 29, 2013, 09:00:58 PM
Miami putting it on Chicago.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins! Heat versus Bulls tonight)
Post by: Smooth Groove on October 29, 2013, 09:27:14 PM
Good D, nice transition offense and crispy ball movement

Heat looking like the Spurs in 1st half
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins! Heat versus Bulls tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 30, 2013, 12:40:51 AM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1828951-lebron-james-vs-derrick-rose-still-plenty-of-room-for-debate


Hey look. A well paid professional troll.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins! Heat versus Bulls tonight)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 30, 2013, 12:41:42 AM
that was a complete shit show for the bulls.  brick after brick after brick.  when boozer is getting more than 30 points, you know you done fucked up with your offensive scheme.

heat had great bench play.  Cole looked amazing :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe like Secretariat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 30, 2013, 01:08:26 AM
Lakers gonna beat the Clippers.


Maybe not having one guy jack all the shots up isn't so bad.

 :teehee
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe like Secretariat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 30, 2013, 02:07:45 AM
(http://cdn0.sbnation.com/assets/3477321/hibosh.gif)

the first bosh gif of the season :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe like Secretariat)
Post by: etiolate on October 30, 2013, 02:55:12 AM
FRAUD CLIPPERS

Don't know what to expect from the Kings/Nugs game tomorrow. Both franchises had overhauls. Malone hasn't even announced a starting five for the season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe like Secretariat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 30, 2013, 03:19:42 PM
Quote
In a recent meeting with the coaching staff and some team executives, Dolan said he believes the Knicks have enough talent to win a title and that he expects them to do so this season, league sources with knowledge of the owner's message during the meeting confirmed.

"He told them he believes they have enough talent to win it all," one source said, "and he expects it to happen this year."

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/9903108/james-dolan-new-york-knicks-owner-expects-championship-year
 

:badass

This reads like one of those onion sports articles.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on October 30, 2013, 09:06:32 PM
The Heat wouldn't be winning by 3 against a halfway competent team right now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2013, 09:16:13 PM
"This is going to be a long season..."  - Stoney, within the next 30 minutes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 30, 2013, 09:27:09 PM
It would be nice if Varejao will give the Cavs just one full season. They are actually a competent team when he is heathy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 30, 2013, 09:29:41 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2013, 09:16:13 PM
"This is going to be a long season..."  - Stoney, within the next 30 minutes.

Just like the Heat I don't care about the regular season at this point. It's nothing to really follow for the heat anymore. There are teams where it matters but the Heat aren't one of them.

It is embarrassing to get beat by a historically bad 76ers team but whatever.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on October 30, 2013, 09:30:27 PM
Heat got surprised by Philly cuz everyone says Philly is just gonna tank this season
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on October 30, 2013, 09:37:08 PM
Not only did they get beat by the Sixers, but Michael Carter-Williams was flirting with a quadruple double.

wtf
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 30, 2013, 11:04:13 PM
MCW good lord
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on October 31, 2013, 12:56:35 AM
Big Bad Boogie with 30&14, a huge block in the 4th and the win.



(http://fourthquartermeltdown.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/boogie-cousins.jpg)
"May thou that hateth thee then be thou that sucketh thee."
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2013, 01:30:56 AM
MCW  :o

The Big East :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on October 31, 2013, 06:44:51 AM
:heart Klay :heart
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Eric P on October 31, 2013, 08:02:54 AM
fuck you league pass
i just wanted to watch the houston game but it kept saying "network error"
i could watch almost any other game except the one i wanted

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on October 31, 2013, 09:25:29 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2013, 01:30:56 AM
MCW  :o

The Big East :rejoice
Ridiculous. My Cuse friends will be talking about this for a while.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 31, 2013, 12:06:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_gafY-_sRc
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Eric P on October 31, 2013, 12:13:41 PM
holy shit
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on October 31, 2013, 03:04:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2D-BJrD-N0

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 31, 2013, 05:24:54 PM
:what
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 01, 2013, 12:39:08 AM
The calls Blake Griffin gets are ridiculous. He hasn't accomplished anything of great note. Why he gets sent to the line for every-play contact blows my mind.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 01, 2013, 12:45:45 AM
Maybe he, you know, got fouled. His game is basically 95% physical stuff, of course he's going to the line.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 01, 2013, 12:49:10 AM
Blake gets fouled harder than anyyone because nobody wants to become one of his highlights
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 01, 2013, 12:53:56 AM
Quote from: etiolate on November 01, 2013, 12:39:08 AM
The calls Blake Griffin gets are ridiculous. He hasn't accomplished anything of great note. Why he gets sent to the line for every-play contact blows my mind.

Nice to see Kings fans finally see the light

:shaq
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on November 01, 2013, 12:57:46 AM
Hey, guess who had an even higher ratio of FTA's to FGA's than Blake?

...Boogie Cousins!  Stern's blatant pro-Sacramento bias is disgusting.  What a joke.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 01, 2013, 01:04:48 AM
Why is the bore worthless at sports threads. =|

Cousins gets fouled a lot. A whole damn lot. At the end of the Nuggs game, all Denver was doing was having Hickson mug him in hopes of anything of any sort to stop him.

I am not sure what you mean by physical stuff, but Blake's game isn't physical. He's athletic, but his game is speed, agility and the athleticism. He's soft though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on November 01, 2013, 01:34:30 AM
Quote from: etiolate on November 01, 2013, 01:04:48 AM
I am not sure what you mean by physical stuff, but Blake's game isn't physical. He's athletic, but his game is speed, agility and the athleticism. He's soft though.

Not to speak for PD, but Griffin goes hard to the rim pretty frequently, which is why he led the league in dunks last year.  And taking lots of shots at the rim is basically the #1 factor in in drawing lots of free throws.  Call it physical or not, but his style of offense explains his relatively high (but not even top 20 in the league) FTA/FGA ratio.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 01, 2013, 01:58:01 AM
He goes hard on dunks, but that's not dealing with the physicality of the interior. Lobs and setups are a different beast from the bump and grind. Blake's game isn't that much different from Shawn Marion's.  Blake goes to the line a lot because he was getting superstar calls very early on his career.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 01, 2013, 02:02:14 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyoL5BwqDOs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on November 01, 2013, 02:34:10 AM
Quote from: etiolate on November 01, 2013, 01:58:01 AM
He goes hard on dunks, but that's not dealing with the physicality of the interior. Lobs and setups are a different beast from the bump and grind. Blake's game isn't that much different from Shawn Marion's.  Blake goes to the line a lot because he was getting superstar calls very early on his career.

Yeah, but attacking the rim hard as the dive man in a pick'n'roll, or on a cut away from the ball is still going to put you into the teeth of the defense, and at higher speeds to boot.  The list of FTA rate leaders includes a lot of bigs who mostly don't operate out of the post, like Tyson Chandler, Reggie Evans, DeAndre Jordan, Chris Anderson, Jonas Valanciunas, etc.

And surely the obvious comp for Blake on those Phoenix teams would be Amare?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 01, 2013, 04:19:34 AM
@smooth groove
@beezy
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/skylar-diggins-is-gone-so-im-about-to-stalk-uvas-tiffany-suarez-for-the-next-4-years-brehs.160108/

 :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 01, 2013, 12:06:35 PM
hnngggg

also, steph had 9 three-pointers last night.  Nicca trying to break his own record  :aah
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 01, 2013, 12:09:35 PM
He also committed 11 turnovers unfortunately.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 01, 2013, 12:12:47 PM
worth it  :obama
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 01, 2013, 04:29:43 PM
It was basically the same turnover all night long.  Clippers were jumping the little safety/out pass across the perimeter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 01, 2013, 08:32:24 PM
Kinda baffled at Haslem starting and getting the minutes he's getting.  Good enough defensive player and has a wicked baseline jumper, but they have him on Lopez tonight and its just not at all working.  Swap Bosh to Lopez and have Haslem take Johnson.

edit: or take Haslem out in general and put Battier in.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 01, 2013, 09:38:36 PM
take haslem out ffs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 01, 2013, 09:39:53 PM
...and they replaced him with joel anthony.  fucking lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 01, 2013, 09:47:21 PM
Lebron looks absolutely awful tonight.  Dunno what's with him so far this season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 01, 2013, 11:04:19 PM
:what shut the fuck up, christ almighty shinobi

he just did the most kobe-esque shot ever and sank it
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 02, 2013, 12:35:28 AM
refs went to instant replay and got it wrong

fuck this league

I mean, I'm not superman with my vision, but I am pretty sure that light colored arm is Blake's and not Patrick Patterson.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on November 02, 2013, 03:14:33 PM
http://deadspin.com/unconscious-nuggets-mascot-lowered-to-court-in-macabre-1457332643

(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/1954q1a29z5qwgif/original.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Eric P on November 02, 2013, 05:23:19 PM
every stream of every game i've tried to watch using League Pass has been absolutely fucking busted this year
out of frustration i've cancelled it.

buttholes.

i need to find other methods to watch these games
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on November 02, 2013, 05:28:54 PM
Quote from: Eric P on November 02, 2013, 05:23:19 PM
every stream of every game i've tried to watch using League Pass has been absolutely fucking busted this year
out of frustration i've cancelled it.

buttholes.

i need to find other methods to watch these games

Don't forget, this first week is free view week, I think the servers are getting hammered more than usual
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 02, 2013, 10:50:59 PM
Sixers beat the Bulls and are 3-0.

 :gladbron


Michael Carter Williams.

26 points. 10 Assists.

 :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (76ers: Hell no we ain't tanking)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 02, 2013, 11:10:52 PM
Goddamn...

If MCW can play close to the level he's playing now...when Noel can play with him...lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (76ers: Hell no we ain't tanking)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 02, 2013, 11:13:20 PM
Impressive start for a team that nearly everybody thought would be historically bad. 3 games is too small a sample size of course to read anything in to but even if they are terrible, they will probably end up being regular terrible instead of all time terrible.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (76ers: Hell no we ain't tanking)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 02, 2013, 11:16:43 PM
They'll definitely be bad but they'll be fun-bad ala the Cavs the last two years.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (76ers: Hell no we ain't tanking)
Post by: pilonv1 on November 03, 2013, 12:39:11 AM
Klay Thompson
Title: Re: The NBA thread (76ers: Hell no we ain't tanking)
Post by: benjipwns on November 03, 2013, 06:15:35 PM
In case you were wondering if he's still got it: https://twitter.com/MagicJohnson/statuses/396785682808860673
Quote
Earvin Magic Johnson Verified account
‏@MagicJohnson
The Brooklyn Nets probably have the most talent and could possibly win the NBA Championship.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (76ers: Hell no we ain't tanking)
Post by: etiolate on November 03, 2013, 07:23:17 PM
Hard for me to be a believer with MCW. He looked physically unready for the NBA in summer league and preseason.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (76ers: Hell no we ain't tanking)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 03, 2013, 07:25:05 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/hX8fuwY.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (76ers: Hell no we ain't tanking)
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 03, 2013, 08:46:45 PM
quick check of box score shows Bledsoe beasting on OKC right now

gonna switch over to NBA TV now

Bledsoe was one of my favorite Clippers
Title: Re: The NBA thread (76ers: Hell no we ain't tanking)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 03, 2013, 10:22:29 PM
Westbrook is back btw. Played 33 minutes today.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (76ers: Hell no we ain't tanking)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2013, 11:17:08 PM
How bout them Knicks
 :holeup
Title: Re: The NBA thread (76ers: Hell no we ain't tanking)
Post by: Your Stalker on November 04, 2013, 12:30:47 AM
How about them Lakers :shaq
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2013, 01:22:29 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYM0oq0CYAAKtEJ.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 04, 2013, 06:56:35 PM
Quote
Kevin Martin on playing with the Wolves: "This is such a fun team to play on. Nobody is trying to lead the league in scoring here."

 :leon


(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYM-xVgIIAAO4uR.jpg#twimg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2013, 07:18:29 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 04, 2013, 06:56:35 PM

(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYM-xVgIIAAO4uR.jpg#twimg)

He's going to learn how to shoot?
(http://imageshack.us/a/img43/939/trollxi.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 05, 2013, 03:46:14 PM
every starter for the Warriors has a PER of over 20 right now

 :whoo
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 05, 2013, 04:48:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIyiEc1741s&list=HL1383674698
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0Y4TS3pCF4
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2013, 02:15:42 AM
Just for you AWESOM-O:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83eHQfsY8fg
(http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/819938589.gif?1383706871)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on November 06, 2013, 03:15:31 AM
Quote
Brandon Jennings | 36 MIN | 6-20 FG

His transition to a pass-first PG seems to be going well
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 06, 2013, 09:56:38 AM
im already looking at draft prospects

which lead me to this

http://nbadraft.net/players/cleanthony-early

black people pls explain to me how you name your babies
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on November 06, 2013, 11:51:54 AM
Much of the Toronto media still doesn't understand that Rudy Gay is worse than Jay Cutler. Fuck, last night on Prime Time Sports he was called a star equal to Phil Kessel! I fucking hate Phil Kessel, but that's a bigger insult to him than when he was picked last for the All-Star game. Phil Kessel can shoot and pass.

Seriously a 32 FG% and a 1:4 assist to turnover ratio? 



Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on November 06, 2013, 11:55:17 AM
Quote from: etiolate on November 06, 2013, 09:56:38 AM
im already looking at draft prospects

which lead me to this

http://nbadraft.net/players/cleanthony-early

black people pls explain to me how you name your babies

Combination of Cleopatra and mark Mark Antony with an "h" thrown in? 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 06, 2013, 07:52:58 PM
Andrew Wiggins got destroyed by an ESPN analyst:

http://slumz.boxden.com/f16/wiggins-no-1-pick-not-so-fast-1990914/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2013, 08:14:15 PM
The season hasn't even started yet...

Wiggins is going to dominate at Kansas but I think it'll take some time. He hasn't looked that good in the preseason, and his ballhandling still looks suspect. I think he'll be really good, but I don't believe he's on Durant's level. Durant dominated at Texas with ease, whereas I think Wiggins is going to be pushed around a bit.

At the end of the day Kansas is going to be very very good, and should go deep in the NCAA tournament. Wiggins will have a lot of time to get used to better competition.

IMO Marcus Smart is the best player in college ball until someone proves otherwise.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 06, 2013, 08:21:35 PM
I think analysts focus too much on whether a player has a "want to dominate" mentality.  Lots of young punks have that mentality and are still garbage. 

What's more likely with Wiggins is that he is not yet strong enough to maximize his skills against older, stronger players.  That's fine for a freshman as long as he's willing to put time in the weight room. 

Durant is unique in this regard because his outstanding jumper allowed him to basically be a 6'10 guard and not bang as much. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2013, 08:30:47 PM
The Durant comparison is perfect. Wiggins doesn't have a consistent jump shot yet so he's struggling. He's going to need to bulk up, which will come naturally through the season.

and he needs to improve his ballhandling
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 07, 2013, 01:04:52 AM
I like the Pacers showing the bulls who's in charge now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on November 07, 2013, 07:47:25 AM
Quote from: pilonv1 on November 03, 2013, 12:39:11 AM
Klay Thompson
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 07, 2013, 02:03:57 PM
Year of the Create-a-Player
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 07, 2013, 02:07:50 PM
Lakers get to get their asses kicked by the Rockets tonight. Should be fun.

Also Derrick Rose has more turnovers than assists so far and is shooting 31% at the moment in 4 games.

(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/002/230/516/apple_display_image.jpg?1337162253)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 07, 2013, 06:26:52 PM
Hoping for a 20/20/7 night from Dwight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2013, 07:05:20 PM
Half the Lakers roster are 10-day contract level players  :sabu
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 07, 2013, 09:21:57 PM
Dwayne Wade is a pretty good basketball player.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 08, 2013, 12:09:51 AM
Close game. 91-91 at the moment.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 08, 2013, 12:18:47 AM
Lakers fading down the stretch as expected.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 08, 2013, 12:22:06 AM
James Harden is historically bad on defense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 08, 2013, 12:32:45 AM
lol. Wow. Lakers
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 08, 2013, 12:34:54 AM
 :snoop

Rockets
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 08, 2013, 12:36:24 AM
Dwight 5-16 from the Free Throw Line.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on November 08, 2013, 12:37:54 AM
blake the cac god saved y'all
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 08, 2013, 12:41:57 AM
I'm not sure that Dwight will ever understand that smiling that shit eating grin as you are hack-a-Shaq'ed and proceed to miss crucial free throws is not endearing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 08, 2013, 10:51:51 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDbgNF8cWQg
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 09, 2013, 11:34:52 PM
John Salmons game fell off a cliff a couple years ago and it seems Marcus Thornton followed him over the edge this year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 09, 2013, 11:36:31 PM
Miami gets beat again.

This entire season is gonna be an epic coast.


Pacers 7-0. Kinda rooting for them to win the title to be honest. I think I like every single player in their rotation.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 09, 2013, 11:47:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAZdxOmoZRE
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on November 10, 2013, 12:11:02 AM
I was like wtf.

I changed the channel after we were up by 4 with 3 secs left.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2013, 12:22:51 AM
http://thebiglead.com/2013/11/09/video-anthony-davis-was-stripped-naked-and-spanked-in-kentucky-locker-room/

 :oreilly
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 10, 2013, 12:27:15 AM
I have avoided watching that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on November 10, 2013, 12:34:10 AM
*clears history*
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 10, 2013, 03:29:49 AM
Why is everything about the Pelicans team so disturbing?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 10, 2013, 03:53:12 AM
http://www.news10.net/video/2824987357001/1/POSTGAME-11913-Michael-Malone---Kings-Head-Coach

pls pls bench salmons and thornton
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on November 10, 2013, 06:03:45 AM
I dont know why Salmons gets any minutes if Outlaw is going to play too. Mbah a Moute should be starting if they want to start Thornton.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 10, 2013, 01:53:19 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 09, 2013, 11:36:31 PM
Miami gets beat again.

This entire season is gonna be an epic coast.


Pacers 7-0. Kinda rooting for them to win the title to be honest. I think I like every single player in their rotation.

I see you've already started your concern trolling  :lol

This season doesn't mean a thing until the All-Star break.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 10, 2013, 02:03:57 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 10, 2013, 01:53:19 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 09, 2013, 11:36:31 PM
Miami gets beat again.

This entire season is gonna be an epic coast.


Pacers 7-0. Kinda rooting for them to win the title to be honest. I think I like every single player in their rotation.

I see you've already started your concern trolling  :lol

This season doesn't mean a thing until the All-Star break.

I don't give a shit about Miami in the regular season so screw concern trolling. In fact I'll state it and go on record as I'm rooting for Indiana to win it this year. Miami is a boring team to watch partially because I've seen so many of their games over the last two seasons. I'm happy for Lebron. I'm glad he got his two titles. I hope he wins more in the future. He's still individually my favorite player in the league. I'm glad he shoved it in the faces of all those idiots who were but hurt about the decision. Or his marketing or any of the other weird stuff sports nerds fixate on. But I don't have an overwhelming burning desire to root for them this season as they've already got two titles and the case has been made. I'm not rooting against them. I just have switched my bandwagon.

So go Indy!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 10, 2013, 02:37:18 PM
but I thought you were always a Miami fan?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2013, 02:48:36 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 10, 2013, 02:37:18 PM
but I thought you were always a Miami fan?

there's no such thing as an always Miami fan
 :shaq
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 10, 2013, 02:55:42 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 10, 2013, 02:37:18 PM
but I thought you were always a Miami fan?

I live in Florida so I'm always slightly partial to the Heat and the Magic but neither of them are my home town so I don't have slavish devotion to either franchise. Lebron has been my favorite player in the league since he came in though so him going to Miami was like the cherry on top.

Like I said I'm not rooting against Miami. I just really like Indiana. I've always liked David West. Hibbert is a defensive beast and fun to watch because of that. Paul George is the kind of player I like. A tall versatile do everything kind of player. A poor man's Lebron in a way. I like Scola.

They have issues. They aren't a good offensive team. But I like the way the team is constructed. It really makes sense.

It's just boring to watch and follow Miami at this stage because rightfully so, the regular season is meaningless to them because of the stage they are in with their dynasty. I'd rather follow a team that is still hungry. That was what was fun watching the last two seasons of Miami. They were flawed but very hungry. Even last season that streak sort of rejuvenated them and made the regular season worth caring about.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 10, 2013, 04:44:08 PM
This might really turn into an ugly season for the Knicks.

Bargnani plays 26 minutes today. Pulls down 1 rebound.

Amare is declining fast.





Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 10, 2013, 04:45:32 PM
I love Paul George too but I'm not rooting for them to do shit.  Need that 3-peat :rejoice

Just jump on the Warriors bandwagon like everyone on the internet has.  I know I have!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 10, 2013, 04:57:04 PM
shouldn't you be rooting for kyrie?

brandnew loves anything that leaves him
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 10, 2013, 05:07:26 PM
I am rooting for Kyrie!  I have the Cavs as the 8 seed this year for the East...although looking at Bennett and Bynum, doesn't look like they're gonna be able to get there unless Kyrie just Uncle Drew's the entire season.

Kyrie is my favorite point guard in the league, but he has to play for the Cavs  :yuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 10, 2013, 05:26:02 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on November 10, 2013, 05:16:34 PM
:what at LeBron being anyone's favorite player.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m616pa784q1rnh4vho1_500.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 10, 2013, 09:22:30 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on November 10, 2013, 05:16:34 PM
:what at Kobe being anyone's favorite player.

ftfy.

lebron never raped anyone
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2013, 10:34:50 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 10, 2013, 09:22:30 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on November 10, 2013, 05:16:34 PM
:what at Kobe being anyone's favorite player.

ftfy.

lebron never raped anyone

what about (http://imageshack.us/a/img96/2056/ar80o.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 11, 2013, 12:04:13 AM
he uses comic sans ; he has raped more people than all the players in the nba combined
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 11, 2013, 01:07:52 AM
Current PER's


Kendrick Perkins: 5.69
Derrick Rose: 5.30

 :teehee
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 11, 2013, 03:14:47 AM
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"Retirement was a thought, it was a serious thought. It still is," Bynum, 26, said after Cavs' practice at Temple University. "It's tough to enjoy the game because of how limited I am physically. I'm working through that. Every now and again I do [think about retirement]. … It's still career-threatening. I'm a shell of myself on the court right now. I'm just struggling mentally."

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9942913/andrew-bynum-cleveland-cavaliers-pondering-career

damn
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on November 11, 2013, 06:06:36 AM
always gonna be Mynum
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 11, 2013, 09:09:02 AM
Quote from: pilonv1 on November 10, 2013, 06:03:45 AM
I dont know why Salmons gets any minutes if Outlaw is going to play too. Mbah a Moute should be starting if they want to start Thornton.

Mbah a Moute has been coming back from injury. The three guys they brought in to not be heroball guys were all injured in preseason. Vasquez is still a bit off from his foot injury. Mbah a Moute is now just coming back and Landry is months away. So guys like Salmon and Thornton are seeing serious time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 11, 2013, 11:25:10 PM
Boston is 4-4. Obviously too early to mean anything but most people thought this team would be god awful wretched.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on November 11, 2013, 11:54:01 PM
Besides the big win over Miami, the other three have come against two teams that were also expected to be tanking.

But yeah, out of that group only Utah hasn't shown signs of life yet.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 12, 2013, 12:04:04 AM
Rudy Gay:

11-37

29 points

:rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 12, 2013, 01:39:51 AM
(http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/820781030.gif)

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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on November 12, 2013, 01:35:19 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 12, 2013, 12:04:04 AM
Rudy Gay:

11-37

29 points

:rofl

Stolen from realgm: "Rudy & Demar taking 44% of team FGAs and missing 64% of them."

Turrible.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2013, 01:37:41 PM
Quote from: etiolate on November 12, 2013, 01:39:51 AM
(http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/820781030.gif)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
called goaltending >|
[close]

When will David Stern leave the Kings alone.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 12, 2013, 04:17:53 PM
Jeremy Lin had a big game last night

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I like what they've tried the last two games.  Run the offense through Lin, then if plays break down, Harden iso.  Sure, lotta fuckball, but when Lin can bring about and execute plays, (and Harden, you know, listens), this should be a pretty efficient offensive team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 12, 2013, 08:36:28 PM
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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on November 12, 2013, 09:02:59 PM
A look back at the greatest basketball game of our generation:

http://screen.yahoo.com/sketchy/30-30-space-jam-game-155008766.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 12, 2013, 09:11:52 PM
Quote
ESPN Searching For A Few Loud-Mouthed Fucks For New Afternoon Program
SPORTS NEWS IN BRIEF • Sports • News Media • ISSUE 49•46 • Nov 11, 2013


BRISTOL, CT—Saying that the program will further strengthen their afternoon lineup, officials at ESPN announced Monday that the network has started searching for a few loud-mouthed fucks to host a new sports talk show. “We’re looking for three, maybe four absolutely reprehensible, know-it-all fucks to sit around a table and share their idiotic opinions about the day’s biggest sports stories,” said ESPN’s vice president of original programming Jamie Horowitz, adding that ideally, the obnoxious, pig-headed pieces of shit will be a mix of annoying national sports columnists, repulsive former athletes, and one prick from Boston.

“We’ll just throw some bullshit on one side of the screen while our panel of arrogant fucking assholes scream at each other. The whole debate—if you can even call it that—will be moderated by either another loud-mouthed fuck or an attractive female broadcaster. We feel this show will really complement our other programs on ESPN and perform particularly well in the 4 p.m. time slot.” At press time, ESPN confirmed that producers had started narrowing down their initial pool of 14,000 potential candidates for the show.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 13, 2013, 12:35:38 AM
Anyone else watch the Duke/Kansas game? Parker v Wiggins.

both look great tonight
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 13, 2013, 01:29:01 AM
I watched it

First college game I've seen in years

I found Wiggins a bit underwhelming.  Vitale kept talking about Wiggin's explosiveness but he was getting floaters in situations where Lebron would have been getting dunks or layups right at the rim. 

Physically, Wiggins seems closer to a Paul George than a Lebron or even Vince Carter, which is still great but not quite the freak of nature that he was hyped up to be.  He could definitely be a superstar but it's no guarantee. 

Parker was definitely the more polished player of the two.  He has an old man's game, kinda like Pierce/Harden/Melo.  Great touch around the basket and from deep.  His athleticism is only average though, maybe even less than the aforementioned players.   
 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on November 13, 2013, 04:20:30 AM
Jabari Parker... hearing Vitale repeat my first name over and over was awkward.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 13, 2013, 10:47:42 AM
Wiggins doesn't look dominant although he had a great game last night. Whereas Parker passes the eyeball test for me: he looks like he's ready to light up the NBA whereas Wiggins seems like he'll need a couple years of seasonig.

Still...Duke players...
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 13, 2013, 02:07:59 PM
Julius Randle looked very fucking good on Kentucky. Looked like an NBA player last night against the now best team in the country.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 13, 2013, 06:12:44 PM
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Andrew Wiggins, Jabari Parker and Julius Randle starred on a national stage Tuesday night, offering glimpses at what promises to be a loaded NBA draft class in 2014.

Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski, however, doesn't think NBA teams should tank in an attempt to land one of the talented freshmen.

"As an American, I wouldn't like to think that an American team would want to lose or create situations where you would want to lose," Krzyzewski said following Duke's 94-83 loss to Wiggins and Kansas.

"I can't even fathom -- I can't go there. I can't believe that that would happen. Maybe I'm naive and I'm going to go read a fairy tale after this.

What does being an American have to do with tanking?

Also he's in a system where there is no benefit to being bad. If he's bad its not like he gets the #1 recruit in the nation.

 :comeon
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 13, 2013, 07:22:46 PM
How is tanking worse than paying recruits to sign with you
 :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on November 13, 2013, 08:48:58 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 13, 2013, 07:22:46 PM
How is tanking worse than paying recruits to sign with you
 :neogaf

paying recruits to sign with you seems very american
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on November 13, 2013, 09:07:11 PM
Lin 7/9 on 3s tonight :whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 13, 2013, 11:32:52 PM
I continue to say "fuck you" to anyone who shits on Lin.  Dude was the most exciting Knicks player in a decade (including Melo because fuck Melo) and did fine last season despite people saying otherwise (his statline was more or less identical to his statline in NY).
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on November 13, 2013, 11:50:06 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 13, 2013, 06:12:44 PM
What does being an American have to do with tanking?

Also he's in a system where there is no benefit to being bad. If he's bad its not like he gets the #1 recruit in the nation.

 :comeon

Yeah, it's easy for him to take the moral high ground because he'll never have to make that choice.

But tanking is uniquely American.  Foreign professional sports leagues typically have relegation/promotion systems that encourage teams to avoid being in the bottom of the standings.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 14, 2013, 12:27:10 AM
Nets look old and done. KG looks like his HoF statue out there. Deron looks ready for his second career in China.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 14, 2013, 12:37:14 AM
76ers are ballers man. I'm really rooting for them. They were so bad on paper coming into this season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 14, 2013, 12:39:38 AM
Quote from: etiolate on November 14, 2013, 12:27:10 AM
Nets look old and done. KG looks like his HoF statue out there. Deron looks ready for his second career in China.

They do look terrible at the moment. The one benefit of the doubt I will give them is that I expected them to start slow with all those old guys. KG and Pierce have started the last few seasons pretty awfully and then turned it on in the second half/playoffs. So I'm guessing that's what that franchise is hoping on. But yeah its not working at the moment.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 14, 2013, 01:41:01 AM
Westbrook, Irving, Rose, Lillard, Jennings all shooting under 40%

Remember when small scoring PGs were gonna be the key to winning in the NBA?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on November 14, 2013, 02:57:09 AM
Well first, all five of those guys are listed as 6'3".  Better examples of small scoring PG's this year would be Isaiah Thomas and Ty Lawson, or Eric Bledsoe and Mike Conley, but those guys are all off to hot starts.

Anyways, you're taking two guys coming off major injuries, one 21 year old, and two guys nobody considers elite, taking their performance less than ten games into the season, and finding trends from that shit?  John Hollinger's rolling in his grave.


PS Whatever happened to Anthony Davis being a bust, anyways?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 14, 2013, 03:26:56 AM
Sample size is not big but at the same time 8 games can make a big difference for teams that are trying to sneak into playoffs or wanna try to get homecourt advantage.  Is it a mere coincidence that all those guys are shooting poorly? Perhaps but there are also valid reasons to believe that it's harder for smaller scorers to maintain the same consistency as bigger high volume scorers. 

I should have clarified that by small, I was comparing those players to traditional high volume scorers.  The players you mentioned, havn't shot as often as the ones I mentioned, although that might change with increased playing time.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 14, 2013, 03:29:38 AM
I never said Anthony Davis was a bust.  I thought that he looked really weak and ineffectual against Gasol last year.  Clearly he thought the same since he added 20 lbs over the summer.

Otoh, Austin Rivers...
 :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 14, 2013, 03:57:59 AM
It's weird to see Pelican fans making the same excuses for Tyreke as the fans in Sactown did for him. "He's playing injured." "Coach plays him out of position. Doesn't use him properly."

Evans has no position in a winning NBA team. He's a combo guard who can't shoot, doesn't create for teammates, and has very little off-ball awareness. Talented as he is, he just hasn't evolved a gametype that leads to winning. He has to dominate the ball to get his own stats.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on November 14, 2013, 04:10:45 AM
Eh, fast point guards should be scoring more, now that there's 1) the hand-check rule, and 2) spacing-based offenses that use the three-pointer to draw defenders away from the paint.  Plus there just seems to be a spike in talent at that position (as opposed to the mysterious lack of young 2-guards), and mostly I just believe that elite players help you win, regardless of position.

There's maybe some concern that smaller guys would break down earlier, from absorbing contact from bigger bodies, but I can't imagine that would be a concern for the guys you listed at this point in their careers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on November 14, 2013, 05:06:54 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on November 14, 2013, 01:41:01 AM
Westbrook, Irving, Rose, Lillard, Jennings all shooting under 40%

Remember when small scoring PGs were gonna be the key to winning in the NBA?

(http://images.sneakernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/stephen-curry-to-join-under-armour.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 14, 2013, 06:50:26 PM
OKC versus Warriors tonight on TNT. Should be fun.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 14, 2013, 07:29:37 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 14, 2013, 04:10:45 AM

There's maybe some concern that smaller guys would break down earlier, from absorbing contact from bigger bodies, but I can't imagine that would be a concern for the guys you listed at this point in their careers.

It should be a concern though.  Dwade is quite a bit bigger and stronger than those PGs yet he started declining at a relatively young age. 

Aside from wear and tear concerns, it is much harder physically for a point to put up 20 shots a night compared to a wingman or big man.  PGs also get less easy shots which make it hard to maintain a high FG% when their jumpers are off.  With all those issues, I'm not sure if it's a really good strategy to try winning a championship with a PG as the primary scoring threat. 

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 14, 2013, 07:39:31 PM
Hope to see the Dubs run OKC. I generally root against OKC and the Clippers. Both flop too much and spend too much time at the FT line. I guess both teams are supposed to be fan faves, but I don't really enjoy watching them. Of course, last night, the Clips managed to make me want to see OKC win.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 14, 2013, 10:51:48 PM
Great offensive game by Carmelo but Knicks still probably gonna lose it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 14, 2013, 10:53:19 PM
As soon as I post that Carmelo makes a boneheaded foul.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 14, 2013, 10:55:33 PM
Lin has been on fire.  His contract is a bargain if he can keep up those numbers for the whole season. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 15, 2013, 12:28:31 AM
Pretty great offense from both sides here.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 15, 2013, 01:09:26 AM
Close game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 15, 2013, 01:20:43 AM
Are you kidding me. WoW.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 15, 2013, 01:22:36 AM
wow
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 15, 2013, 01:23:04 AM
UNFUCKING REAL!!!!!!


You missed a hell of a game if you didn't watch this!!!!!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Already. Warriors beat Spurs)
Post by: El Babua on November 15, 2013, 01:27:28 AM
Definitely better than all of the PS4 shit that went on tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Already. Warriors beat Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 15, 2013, 01:29:15 AM
I was so excited I changed the title of the thread to Warriors beat Spurs. WTF.

 :mindblown
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Already. Warriors beat Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 15, 2013, 01:34:47 AM
OMG Shaq actually made a good point. What a wondrous night.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Already. Warriors beat Thunder)
Post by: pilonv1 on November 15, 2013, 06:57:35 AM
HELLS YEAH MOTHERFUCKERS
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Already. Warriors beat Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 15, 2013, 09:36:12 AM
Last night festivities

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76Sh-rKfboc
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Already. Warriors beat Thunder)
Post by: Brehvolution on November 15, 2013, 10:13:47 AM
:whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Already. Warriors beat Thunder)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 15, 2013, 10:43:29 AM
fuck

why did I have to socialize last night and not see this game  :'( :'( :'(

Iggy da GOAT.  Warriors are scary with him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Already. Warriors beat Thunder)
Post by: etiolate on November 15, 2013, 01:46:02 PM
Get ready for the REAL showdown tonight!

Pistons and the Kings

What you've all been waiting for! You ready for sum, PD?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Already. Warriors beat Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 15, 2013, 01:49:06 PM
Quote from: etiolate on November 15, 2013, 01:46:02 PM
Get ready for the REAL showdown tonight!

Pistons and the Kings

What you've all been waiting for! You ready for sum, PD?

I don't like the Pistons and tend to avoid NBA basketball.  :goty2

Andre Drummand is going to be a beast though. I heard Josh Smith has already been benched  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Already. Warriors beat Thunder)
Post by: etiolate on November 15, 2013, 02:05:00 PM
I think he got benched last game, but I expect Josh to play a lot tonight. Going against John Salmons can do wonders for a guy's career.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Already. Warriors beat Thunder)
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 15, 2013, 03:08:45 PM
kinda glad that Westbrook's shot wasn't the game winner

Otherwise, some idiots in the media would be talking nonstop about how Westbrook's killer instinct makes him better than KD
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Already. Warriors beat Thunder)
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 15, 2013, 03:22:22 PM
It's pretty hilarious that Dwight's post game is so disrespected that Charles and Shaq think they can improve him with 5 minutes of tips. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Already. Warriors beat Thunder)
Post by: etiolate on November 15, 2013, 03:34:32 PM
Makes me wonder why Stan Van Gundy still doesn't have a NBA job.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Already. Warriors beat Thunder)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 15, 2013, 03:51:06 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on November 15, 2013, 03:22:22 PM
It's pretty hilarious that Dwight's post game is so disrespected that Charles and Shaq think they can improve him with 5 minutes of tips.

But post play really can be that simple, for the most part.  Dwight has his pivot move and leads with his shoulder and thats it.  With his size, he should be able to back down with his ass on one to two dribbles, then spin to the baseline for an easy bank or layup or dunk.  He has the size and strength to do it, but he just fucking doesn't.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Already. Warriors beat Thunder)
Post by: Mandark on November 15, 2013, 03:59:50 PM
Eh, I don't think he has "strength" as it relates to a post game on the level of a Zach Randolph or Eddy Curry.  When you hear coaches or players talk about having to contain Dwight, it's always been his quick leaping ability that gives them problems, rather than him muscling guys off their spot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Already. Warriors beat Thunder)
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 15, 2013, 04:04:11 PM
Yeah, Dwight tends to rely mostly on his upper body strength which usually gets him an offensive foul after several shoulder bumps in the chest of his defender

Watch how Gasol plays.  He backs down even longer than Dwight but doesn't get called much for offensives because he uses his butt and back to create space
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Already. Warriors beat Thunder)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 15, 2013, 04:06:33 PM
Even still though, he has good upper body strength.  Maybe he can't back down people with his butt, but if he posted on or above the block with his ass towards the hoop, he should still be able to elbow or shoulder his way to a baseline clear-path basket.

This is just from what I've seen from him in the few games I've watched this year, so maybe this is an outlier set of circumstances for him, but it just looks like he has no will to back down or to even look to the middle for second options.  I just always see him pivot back to where he's facing the basket.  It's frustrating to watch.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Already. Warriors beat Thunder)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 15, 2013, 06:08:13 PM
Quote from: etiolate on November 15, 2013, 03:34:32 PM
Makes me wonder why Stan Van Gundy still doesn't have a NBA job.

He keeps it too real.

I'd love to see him coach in the NCAA. Really seems like he'd be perfect.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Already. Warriors beat Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 15, 2013, 07:09:00 PM
Yeah using your ass, having a solid base, and having nice body kinesthetics are huge things for a post game. It's why some really gifted athletes who seem like they should have a killer post game don't.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 15, 2013, 09:38:11 PM
Mutumbo didn't really have a post game despite his size advantage on most nights. Neither he or Dwight had the frame for it. I think Dwight should focus on his quicks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 15, 2013, 09:46:49 PM
but Hakeem is gonna fix Dwight's game, guys.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 15, 2013, 10:11:19 PM
Lebron with 39 points on 76% shooting

:whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on November 15, 2013, 10:11:20 PM
dwight needs to start doing glute bridges then
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 15, 2013, 10:36:37 PM
If Lebron is able to up his FG% even a hair from the insane numbers he had last year then my god.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 15, 2013, 10:59:13 PM
wow already getting fucked over by the refs

it's just like the old days!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 15, 2013, 11:16:10 PM
I'd say get over it already, but yeah, still fuck the 2002 conference finals to hell
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 15, 2013, 11:28:24 PM
David Stern probably doesn't know Sacramento has a team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 15, 2013, 11:44:27 PM
no but seriously fuck these refs

this is pretty blatant
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 15, 2013, 11:46:19 PM
You gotta give some context for people who aren't watching that game

How are the Kings being screwed?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 16, 2013, 12:00:26 AM
It's just a weird multitude of things. The Pistons are reaching in a lot and that's causing some of the Kings turnovers. So, it's like, okay you're gonna let it be a physical game. Then the Pistons get a little bump or touch foul on the other end and it's an instant whistle. There's phantom loose ball fouls on rebounds involving everyday boxing out. Calling moving screens on common hand-off plays, the kind that didn't get whistled in the previous TWolves game. 

And then there's Cousins taking a lot of contact with no calls. On one play, Drummond or Monroe was basically arm-barring him to keep him from getting the pass. Leads to a turn over. On the other end, he jumps a pass, gets hand and ball, gets called for a foul. It's like the crew is trying to bait the Kings, namely DMC. Even the ESPN crew is acknowledging it, and ESPN is normally scared shit of bringing the refs up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 16, 2013, 12:14:45 AM
I can see that happening with someone like Cousins.  Rasheed Wallace got called for ticky-tacky fouls because he showed up the refs and got a bad rep.  Players just can't fuck with the refs in this league. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 16, 2013, 12:19:12 AM
Cousins with 14 & 10 with 3 blocks without a technical foul. Gotta praise Mike Malone for what he's done with Boogie.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on November 16, 2013, 03:08:31 AM
That's about all you can praise Malone for sadly
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 16, 2013, 04:13:42 AM
Defense is better as well. And they pass the ball on offense. There just hasn't been a reliable scoring option besides Cousins and Thomas so far. The swingman position has been rather empty minus some decent games from McLemore and Thornton.

The problem is that the Maloofs/Petrie assembled a bunch of heroball guys, so a set offense where you shoot without a dribble makes no sense to most of the scorers on this team. So either they return to fuckball to score, or they play decent basketball and work through Cousins, but Thornton and Salmons brick shots all night. They really need McLemore to start emerging.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on November 16, 2013, 04:23:12 AM
Really, developing Cousins so that he's improving/motivated/happy going forward is Malone's most important job at this point.  I'm sure the front office would rather see progress with their younger players rather than an extra five or six wins at this point in the rebuilding cycle.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 16, 2013, 01:11:02 PM
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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 16, 2013, 06:55:59 PM
Pacers versus Bulls at Chicago tonight. Should be fun.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 16, 2013, 09:10:10 PM
Pacers getting worked at the half. 60-35.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 16, 2013, 09:17:39 PM
absolute beat down good lord
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 16, 2013, 09:56:02 PM
Lebron went 13 of 18 from the Field.

So in the last two games he's gone 27 of 36 in field goals.


 :noah


So at the moment he's shooting 61% from the field for the season. 52% from 3 point range.

My lord.


Also Beasley is averaging 10 points a game and shooting 64% for the season in 4 games played.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 17, 2013, 12:14:19 AM
Sometimes a good highlight mix on youtube is ruined by the music choice, and then sometimes..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k9Lw3Prp7M
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 17, 2013, 12:35:31 AM
wrong thread
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 17, 2013, 01:29:55 AM
Quote from: etiolate on November 17, 2013, 12:14:19 AM
Sometimes a good highlight mix on youtube is ruined by the music choice, and then sometimes..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtLfHM7-sos
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on November 17, 2013, 02:33:38 AM
Quote from: etiolate on November 17, 2013, 12:14:19 AM
Sometimes a good highlight mix on youtube is ruined by the music choice, and then sometimes..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k9Lw3Prp7M

:heart Udoh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 17, 2013, 03:05:16 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 16, 2013, 09:56:02 PM
Lebron went 13 of 18 from the Field.

So in the last two games he's gone 27 of 36 in field goals.


 :noah


So at the moment he's shooting 61% from the field for the season. 52% from 3 point range.

My lord.

almost all his shots were in the paint, right at the basket
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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 18, 2013, 10:38:09 PM
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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 18, 2013, 10:47:10 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9997640/dion-waiters-cleveland-cavaliers-denies-involvement-players-meeting-fight

I wonder who kicked Kyrie's ass.  I could see him as that annoying ball hog who's angry at people for not defending/rebounding while constantly leaking out  for easy buckets. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 19, 2013, 08:32:18 AM
Cavs have the second worst offense in the NBA (when measured by points per possession).


Mike Brown.
 
 :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 19, 2013, 09:05:27 PM
Wade sitting tonight due to Old Knee Syndrome.

Bosh Picking up the slack though.  Dudes got 20 and its not even halfway through the third
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 19, 2013, 09:14:25 PM
Witness!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/sportsman/news/20131118/lebron-james-my-sportsman/


We have entered an age when James could win Sportsman of the Year every year and probably should. His domination of the basketball world is so thorough he seems to be competing only against himself.


:gladbron

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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 19, 2013, 09:26:26 PM
jesus, knicks are terribad

can we just skip to the miami/indiana conference finals already
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 19, 2013, 09:32:57 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZewFmbCcAA28Qx.png:large)

Stat, pls
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 19, 2013, 09:35:07 PM
true team player

His ballhog teammates obviously don't want to take the ball out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 19, 2013, 09:35:59 PM
haha I was about to post that pic

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 19, 2013, 09:42:32 PM
His controller must have been left plugged in and activated.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 19, 2013, 09:46:55 PM
Pistons couldn't even beat the Lakers LOL

It's early in the season but Knicks already look done.  I don't think a coaching change will do much. 

Maybe they can trade Melo while they still can? 

Based on how Melo's teammates are playing even after he called them out, it's clear that they don't care much for him. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 19, 2013, 09:50:59 PM
Melo just needs to gtfo

Lin+Asik+first round for Melo.  Do it Dolan!

lulz
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 19, 2013, 09:54:51 PM
Melo and Harden on the same team?

:kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 19, 2013, 09:56:44 PM
think of the fuckball

glorious fuckball
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 19, 2013, 10:38:05 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/10002027/dwyane-wade-miami-heat-sells-sitcom-based-life

 :what
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 19, 2013, 10:43:53 PM
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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on November 20, 2013, 12:53:00 AM
That's Amare!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 20, 2013, 03:27:26 AM
He wasn't even getting ready to box out for the rebound. He just wanted to leak out, but didn't even want to give the effort to run out on the shooter before leaking out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 20, 2013, 03:58:54 AM
The weird thing in that game was Bargnani looking like he actually gives a fuck. Then I look at B-R and he's got a 21 PER and 60% TS and now I have no idea how I got into this universe.

If Melo didn't get his touches, he probably would check out like Amare does. He already looks like he's halfway there.

And someone needs to inform Mo Cheeks (speaking of people who look like they don't give a fuck) that it's The Year of Luigi.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 20, 2013, 12:52:26 PM
Knicks were going to be pretty average this season no matter what. Remove Tyson Chandler from the picture and its real grim.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Lovingsteam on November 20, 2013, 03:45:51 PM
Well atleast the Lakers aren't doing as bad as Utar.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 20, 2013, 07:29:56 PM
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The Sacramento Kings have a "very high" level of interest in quickly making a trade, according to a source. It is believed that some conversations have advanced beyond the preliminary stage.

The Kings have a 3-7 record and have several veterans that could be attractive to playoff contenders.

What vet players on the Kings would anyone else want? Salmons and Thornton have been horrid. I guess Chuck Hayes can play his role, but not sure who would give up much for him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 20, 2013, 10:47:37 PM
Nets lost to the Bobcats tonight.

The nets are 3-8.
The Bobcats are 6-6.

 :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 20, 2013, 11:47:02 PM
Trey Burke with 11 points in 12 minutes
:rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on November 21, 2013, 12:56:36 AM
how did the rox lose that game  :beli
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 21, 2013, 01:09:55 AM
Why did Linsanity only get 17 minutes?  0 for 5 but he usually goes off in high scoring games like this. 


Nice to see Blake Griffin outplay Kevin Love.  On a consistent basis, Kevin Love is probably the better player but head to head, it's been a toss-up.  The gap isn't even close to being as big as Barkley and company claim. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 21, 2013, 01:27:56 AM
one has a jump shot and a decent post game and the other makes fancy dunks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 21, 2013, 04:23:54 AM
I am not sure Blake puts up numbers without Paul and (before then) Baron Davis there to feed him. When Paul exits the game, Blake goes invisible. Love can still contribute without Rubio.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 21, 2013, 02:55:43 PM
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First pick yall
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 21, 2013, 08:16:39 PM
Looks like my jumper
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on November 21, 2013, 08:52:06 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 21, 2013, 08:16:39 PM
Looks like my jumper
"my bad"
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 21, 2013, 09:46:10 PM
The announcer said this, "He was a confident shooter from three-point land in college. Of course, obviously, a shorter line."


Deadspin commenter:

The difference between college and NBA lines also killed Len Bias.   
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 21, 2013, 09:56:20 PM
goddamn

:kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 21, 2013, 10:21:20 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on November 21, 2013, 10:23:32 PM
 :dayum
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 22, 2013, 09:08:40 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E439Pp9UtpM
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 23, 2013, 07:49:17 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/G4MQwvo.png) (http://i.imgur.com/G4MQwvo.png) (http://i.imgur.com/G4MQwvo.png) (http://i.imgur.com/G4MQwvo.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 23, 2013, 09:13:35 AM
Shame. Like most I really like Derrick Rose. I'm not a fan of the bulls but I like him. And while the whole will he or won't he come back thing could have been easily shut down in the playoffs by simply saying he was out for the season, I never held that against him.

Hopefully its not an insanely serious injury.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose injured again)
Post by: etiolate on November 23, 2013, 05:35:15 PM
a lot of crappy injuries yesterday

early word on Rose is a torn miniscus
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose injured again)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 23, 2013, 05:35:42 PM
Quote
@KCJHoop

Per sources, Derrick Rose tore his right meniscus and will need surgery.

.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose injured again)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 23, 2013, 06:02:22 PM
I guess it depends on how bad the tear is but still a shame especially coming on the heels of the acl injury. He had seemingly lost something from the injury based on his play so far this year so this doesn't bode well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose injured again)
Post by: etiolate on November 23, 2013, 06:15:22 PM
clippers still look like clippers

special platter of poo for the refs again

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose injured again)
Post by: benjipwns on November 24, 2013, 05:28:02 PM
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose injured again)
Post by: etiolate on November 24, 2013, 07:14:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpVRn_IvNz4
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose injured again)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 24, 2013, 07:43:44 PM
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose injured again)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 24, 2013, 09:45:13 PM
and then he dunked from the free-throw line

self-assisted, too
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose injured again)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 24, 2013, 10:01:42 PM
Battle for New York

Brooklyn 3-10
Knicks 3-9


 :dayum :
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose injured again)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 24, 2013, 10:08:19 PM
the entire american northeast is  :dayum
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose injured again)
Post by: etiolate on November 25, 2013, 12:46:52 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 24, 2013, 07:43:44 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mab3qBMIr2g
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose injured again)
Post by: pilonv1 on November 25, 2013, 06:49:59 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 24, 2013, 07:43:44 PM
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Luckily Cleveland are turrible
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose out for the season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 25, 2013, 11:49:31 AM
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Chicago Bulls point guard Derrick Rose will miss the rest of the season after undergoing knee surgery Monday, the team announced.

The 2010-11 league MVP had the medial meniscus repaired in his right knee at Rush University Medical Center in Chicago.

The surgery was to be performed by Dr. Brian Cole, who performed the ACL surgery on Rose's left knee in May 2012.

Heading into the procedure, there appeared to be two options for repairing Rose's knee. He could have had the meniscus, or a portion of it, removed and been back on the floor in a matter of weeks. Having the meniscus reattached, which appears to be the route Rose and the Bulls took, sidelines him four to six months.

While the first procedure would have put him back on the court sooner, many players who have had that procedure, including Miami Heat star Dwyane Wade, say that it causes more problems later in a player's career.

It appears that with the 25-year-old Rose the organization chose to take the longer approach with the hope that he can return to being the same player as before his first knee injury.

Before the surgery, coach Tom Thibodeau said the team felt bad for Rose after all the work he had put in to return.

"I talked to him at length last night. He's in good spirits," he said. "About as well as can be expected under the circumstances. And he's already thinking about his rehab, and typical Derrick -- concerned about his team, his teammates. But that being said, we can't feel sorry for ourselves. We're the Chicago Bulls. We have one goal, that's to win. And I believe we have the personnel in that locker room to get it done."

Thibodeau said he expects Rose to make a full recovery but acknowledged there is disappointment throughout the locker room.

"There's disappointment for Derrick because of the type of person he is," Thibodeau said. "And he's such a great teammate along with being a great player. But I think we have an understanding of what we need to do. We know we can't feel sorry for ourselves. So we have to circle the wagons and then go out there and get the job done.

"You just take things as they come. This is all part of the NBA. Injuries are part of it. That's why it's a team. I have a lot of confidence in the guys that are on our bench. They've done a good job of preparing themselves. They have to understand what their job is, get in there and get the job done."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose out for the season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 25, 2013, 11:52:20 AM
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Kobe Bryant signs 2-year extension
Updated: November 25, 2013, 11:44 AM ET

Kobe Bryant signed a two-year contract extension with the Los Angeles Lakers on Monday.

The Lakers did not announce financial terms of the deal, but a source told ESPNLosAngeles.com's Ramona Shelburne that Bryant will remain the NBA's highest-paid player over the course of the extension.

Bryant, who is recovering from a torn Achilles tendon, will make over $30.4 million this season, the final year of his current contract with the Lakers.

The team announced the deal in a press release, saying that the signing "should ensure" that the 35-year-old Bryant finishes his storied career with the Lakers.

"This is a very happy day for Lakers fans and for the Lakers organization," general manager Mitch Kupchak said in the release. "We've said all along that our priority and hope was to have Kobe finish his career as a Laker, and this should ensure that that happens.

"To play 20 years in the NBA, and to do so with the same team, is unprecedented, and quite an accomplishment. Most importantly however, it assures us that one of the best players in the world will remain a Laker, bringing us excellent play and excitement for years to come."


Quote
ESPN just said 2yr/$48M.

 :neogaf

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose out for the season)
Post by: benjipwns on November 25, 2013, 12:19:45 PM
Humble Kobe taking a price cut so the team can bring in some big name FA winners like Carmelo.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose out for the season)
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 25, 2013, 12:51:10 PM
Kobe's not the hero that LA needs, but he is the one they deserve.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose out for the season)
Post by: Your Stalker on November 25, 2013, 02:07:24 PM
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose out for the season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 25, 2013, 05:21:57 PM
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The True Hollywood Story of Kobe's Crippling Contract
By Zach Lowe on November 25, 2013 4:01 PM ET


There are trades and contracts that require cold, calculating analysis about whether the logic of particular transactions accomplishes the clear goals of the franchises involved.

Kobe Bryant's two-year, $48 million contract extension is not really one of those deals. At the very least it requires a different set of standards for judgment — standards only a handful of teams would actually use in judging themselves. Making Bryant the highest-paid player in the NBA over the next two seasons is, objectively, not a smart thing. He's 35 years old, and he has not played a single minute of in-game basketball after suffering a traumatic injury that has devastated nearly every player who has suffered it and managed to stay in the league.

He had precisely zero other suitors at this specific moment. He may have had suitors this summer among the 10 or so teams that could work their way to max-level cap room, but some of those teams are not in the right evolutionary position to spend that kind of money on a 35-year-old, and others could not have cleared enough space to compete with this L.A. deal. Bryant was not the best player in the league last season, nor was he even really close to it. The Lakers have voluntarily decided to pay him at that level as he enters the twilight of his career, amid unprecedented (for him) health uncertainty.

The deal also kills the Lakers' dreamy goals of bringing two max-level stars to team with Bryant this summer. The Lakers could have, at most, about $21.5 million in cap space this summer if they retain Steve Nash's full salary. And even that figure assumes the following:

• L.A. renounces its rights to Pau Gasol, and does not re-sign him;

• The Lakers pick around no. 14 or no. 15 in the draft;

• The Lakers sign zero other players before luring Star Player X in free agency, so that the empty remaining roster spots carry minimum charges of only about $500,000 each.

And even in this scenario, the Lakers could not fit the maximum salary of, say, Carmelo Anthony. Using the stretch provision on Nash could open up about $6 million of cap space, allowing the Lakers to sign that max-level player — and little else. Los Angeles floundered in 2012-13 with Bryant, Gasol, Nash, Dwight Howard, and a bench of minimum-salaried retreads. How do you think they would fare in the ultra-competitive Western Conference in 2014-15 with Bryant, Anthony, Nash (or not), and a bench of minimal-level retreads? They may be better off bringing back Gasol at $10 million or so over two seasons (if he'd take such a deal), finding a couple of other solid mid-priced guys on short-term deals, and seeing how things go from there.

They've hung in this season, at 7-7, with a dreary offense and a surprisingly solid defense that has (not surprisingly) improved without Bryant's irresponsible roaming and declining athleticism. They've done so in part because they spent way over the luxury tax to sign and re-sign some useful veterans (Steve Blake, Jordan Hill, Chris Kaman) and hit nicely on some minimum-level contracts (Jordan Farmar, Xavier Henry, Nick Young).

They could use various forms of Bird Rights to re-sign some of those players this summer, going over the cap in the process. But they'll face competition for guys like Hill, balling out this season now that Mike D'Antoni has finally provided playing time, and Bryant's new deal is so huge as to hamstring the Lakers' pursuit of multiple star-level free agents. Remember: Using Bird Rights on Hill (or Nick Young, or Farmar) means leaving those players on your books during free agency via a temporary charge called a cap hold — a charge that eats into that cap space allegedly earmarked for a Carmelo type.

Look, it's all fine, if you view it through the right lenses. Bryant is a massive star, and the limits on individual maximum salaries ensure that every true franchise player is underpaid (by his team, anyway) for most of his career. Bryant is taking a slight pay cut here, since he's earning north of $30 million this season, but he did not take a team-friendly discount on the levels of Tim Duncan, Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, and even LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, and Chris Bosh in Miami. That's cool. Bryant is right to fight for as much dough as possible. The Lakers are right, in their Lakery way, to give him that dough. He's a drawing card, a guarantee of sellouts amid falling ticket sales, and he has helped the Lakers to five NBA titles.

And Bryant, by the way, remained a phenomenal offensive player last season before his Achilles tear. He hit 51 percent of his 2-point shots, the very best mark of his career, as Kevin Pelton pointed out last week at ESPN.com. Among 106 players to finish at least 75 post-ups with a shot, drawn foul, or turnover, Bryant was the most efficient in the league, per Synergy Sports. The most efficient! At age 34! He hit 55 percent of his post-up shots and produced 1.05 points per possession from the block, per Synergy. Factor in passes from the block, and only one of those 106 players leaps past Kobe in points per possession on post-ups: Kevin Durant.

Bryant still got to the line eight times per game. His footwork remains impeccable, balletic, brilliant. He's still a fantastic passer when he wants to be, reading the floor three steps ahead like a score-first Jason Kidd. He remained efficient as a scorer and passer in the pick-and-roll. The Lakers scored 107.4 points per 100 possessions with Bryant on the floor last season, and just 99.7 points without him. That's a huge gap, and an accurate reflection of Bryant's value on a team that otherwise lacked any perimeter punch.

But every player who has suffered an Achilles tear, even the anomalous All-Star Dominique Wilkins, has suffered a drop-off in play upon returning. And those players were about 29 years old on average, according to Pelton's work and this study from researchers at Drexel University. Those players came back less efficient overall, and Pelton's work found a significant decline in most of the stats we associate with athleticism — free throw attempts, steals, blocks, rebounds. Free throws are a hugely valuable part of what Bryant does, especially since he has never been a very good spot-up guy from 3-point range. That could change with more careful shot selection, but he's never going to be Ray Allen in his old age.

Expecting Bryant to be the same player again is unrealistic, or based upon something other than available precedent. Sometimes precedent is wrong; available precedent suggested that the Spurs would whitewash Oklahoma City in the conference finals two years ago, and the opposite occurred. But if the choice is between age and precedent on one side, and Kobe's Mambalicious work ethic on the other, I'm sticking my cash on age and precedent. His defense was a massive net-negative for the Lakers already; he was very nearly a one-way player before his injury, though he could still turn up his focus and fundamentals to a useful level during periods of high intensity. But those stretches were brief, and there were not nearly as many of them as there used to be.

Again: The deal makes sense in its own way, and it’s only a two-year extension. The Lakers will have an honest chance at unrestricted free agents that crop up after 2015-16, a group that could include Roy Hibbert, Brook Lopez, Kevin Durant, LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, and Kevin Love, a long-rumored Laker (and Knick) free-agent target. But Love can opt out of his deal after next season (KAAAHHNNNNN!!!!!!!), and the new CBA makes it so that players should enter free agency at the first possible moment in order to secure a max-level long-term deal right away — before injury, a new and more restrictive CBA, or some other variable can pop up. In that scenario, Love would hit the open market in the summer of 2015, with Bryant still clogging up the Lakers' books. Hibbert and Lopez can do the same if they decline their own player options. The Lakers will have a hard time signing any big free agents that summer, especially if they give out even one big-money multi-year deal in the interim (i.e., this summer) to Gasol or someone else.

The Lakers could have driven a harder bargain here, insisted that Kobe look in the mirror, accept his hoops mortality, and take a salary commensurate with his age and skill level. They could have thrown the cap sheet in his face and pressured him into a larger pay cut for the good of the team. They could have dared him to enter free agency, a move that would have alienated a fan base that adores Kobe as if he were a deity.

Boston fans have a similar devotion to Paul Pierce, though it is perhaps less fierce than the grip the NBA's Lord Voldemort has on his Death Eaters. But the Celtics did not flinch when the opportunity arose to deal Pierce and Garnett in exchange for some bad contracts and three plum first-round picks. They let Doc Rivers, the only man to coach them to a title since the mid-1980s, broker his way to the Clippers in exchange for another pick.

There are other ways to handle business, even the business of a legend. Those ways are probably smarter than the route the Lakers took today. The Celtics are now the envy of every front-office executive who craves a rebuilding challenge, provided the challenge comes with some nice resources. The Lakers are an expensive mediocrity overpaying a franchise star in decline.

That's fine, if that's what you want. But let's not pretend anything else is going on here.

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/83785/the-true-hollywood-story-of-kobes-crippling-contract
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose out for the season)
Post by: benjipwns on November 25, 2013, 05:24:42 PM
 :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose out for the season)
Post by: Your Stalker on November 25, 2013, 06:50:14 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/gzPGoNX.png)
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose out for the season)
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 25, 2013, 07:23:43 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 25, 2013, 05:21:57 PM
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/83785/the-true-hollywood-story-of-kobes-crippling-contract

Wow, Lakers are far more screwed that I imagine.


Bryant is taking a slight pay cut here, since he's earning north of $30 million this season, but he did not take a team-friendly discount on the levels of Tim Duncan, Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, and even LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, and Chris Bosh in Miami.

This is the most damaging part to Kobe's legacy.  I can't blame him for getting as much as possible but clearly winning another championship isn't his #1 priority.  Maybe now Kobe stans would STFU about how nobody cares more about winning than Kobe.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose out for the season)
Post by: benjipwns on November 25, 2013, 07:39:15 PM
At least in the GAF thread they were arguing he took a huge discount off what he could have got and that the Lakers owe it to him and that they couldn't lose him to another team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose out for the season)
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 25, 2013, 07:41:08 PM
Huge discount off what he could have got?

Who was gonna pay him $30 mil a year again?  Not even Knicks are that dumb. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose out for the season)
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 25, 2013, 07:41:34 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on November 25, 2013, 07:23:43 PM
Maybe now Kobe stans would STFU about how nobody cares more about winning than Kobe.

Kobe pulled out a big win for Kobe, so maybe they're on to something.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose out for the season)
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 25, 2013, 07:46:08 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 25, 2013, 07:41:34 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on November 25, 2013, 07:23:43 PM
Maybe now Kobe stans would STFU about how nobody cares more about winning than Kobe.

Kobe pulled out a big win for Kobe, so maybe they're on to something.
(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/757/430/107815112_display_image.jpg?1298929873)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose out for the season)
Post by: benjipwns on November 25, 2013, 07:51:47 PM
Plus without the pressures of the team winning Kobe can chase Jordan, Kareem and Malone without having other good players on the team interfering.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose out for the season)
Post by: benjipwns on November 25, 2013, 09:09:18 PM
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The Minnesota Timberwolves have agreed to trade Derrick Williams to the Sacramento Kings for Luc Mbah a Moute.

The trade is contingent on Mbah a Moute passing a physical.

Williams was the second overall pick of the 2011 NBA Draft.

No picks, cash or others players are expected to be included in the deal.

Also:
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It’s common practice that after every game each player is provided a scoresheet. The sheet breaks down the individual players’ contributions as well as team totals.

That won’t be happening anymore in Toronto. Rudy Gay has put a stop to it.

Gay sees the scoresheets as an unnecessary barrier to team unity or even a temptation to be more focussed on what is best for the individual as opposed to what is best for the team.

“We’re not playing for stats,” Gay said.

Gay said there was no incident or no moment that pushed him toward this decision but as a leader on this team, he felt it was just something that was best for the team.

“I wanted to just nip it in the butt before it became an issue,” he said. “We come in here after losses, after wins and people are staring at those stat sheets, but that’s not what we’re about. We’re a team and the stat that matters is the W.”
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose out for the season)
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 25, 2013, 09:12:55 PM
Derrick Williams seems on to his way to becoming the next Michael Beasley, minus the off-court problems
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose out for the season)
Post by: etiolate on November 25, 2013, 09:23:52 PM
I'm not a fan of the trade at first glance. I really liked what Mbah a Moute was doing for the Kings. He fit Malone's philosophy. DWill just looks like a middling player who will live off of potential for most of his career. Mbah a Moute actually contributes to wins in some way.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose out for the season)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 25, 2013, 09:39:32 PM
I was 100% wrong on Derrick Williams.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose out for the season)
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 25, 2013, 09:44:08 PM
Well, he did look like a more athletic version of Karl Malone
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose out for the season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 25, 2013, 11:44:10 PM
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A locker room is a sanctuary for the players on a professional team.

It is the primary space away from the court where they develop the chemistry and bonds that help them become even better than their collective talents.

Even coaches, men in charge of these players, men who tell these players what they expect of them and how they will be deployed respect the room as the players’ space.

Raptors coach Dwane Casey and his staff obviously have access to the room, but they have their office and the players have their room.

Which brings us to what you are not going to find in the players’ locker room anymore.

And that would be scoresheets.

It’s common practice that after every game each player is provided a scoresheet. The sheet breaks down the individual players’ contributions as well as team totals.

That won’t be happening anymore in Toronto. Rudy Gay has put a stop to it.

Gay sees the scoresheets as an unnecessary barrier to team unity or even a temptation to be more focussed on what is best for the individual as opposed to what is best for the team.

“We’re not playing for stats,” Gay said.

Gay said there was no incident or no moment that pushed him toward this decision but as a leader on this team, he felt it was just something that was best for the team.

“I wanted to just nip it in the butt before it became an issue,” he said. “We come in here after losses, after wins and people are staring at those stat sheets, but that’s not what we’re about. We’re a team and the stat that matters is the W.”

When it’s pointed out that isn’t always the case in a league where the gap between the highest paid the lowest paid members on a team can be huge and stats may mean more to some than others, Gay agreed.

“It isn’t,” he said, “but at the end of the day if we win everybody gets their just due. I’ve seen it. I’ve been a part of it.”

Gay said there were no objections from his teammates when he delivered the news.

“No, none. It was pretty easy.”

Ironically, the numbers these days are looking more promising than they have in some time for most of the Raptors. Gay, who came down with the flu Thursday and woke up Friday out of breath, all achy and tired from a restless night skipped shootaround in order to be at his best for the game that night. His numbers weren’t all that great but, like his teammates, delivered when he was needed most.

As it turned out, Gay was no better Friday night than he was Friday morning but he said there was never a thought to not play.

“We’re a team and I’m going to push through things and hopefully the rest of the guys will do the same thing,” he said.

DeMar DeRozan had a big first half allowing Gay to ease into the game and figure out what he was capable of doing given his unhealthy state. In the fourth, when DeRozan started to falter it was Gay who picked it up scoring with 11 in the fourth quarter to help seal the win.

Both men ended up with 17 on the night but that number was irrelevant as far as Gay was concerned.

The Raptors got win No. 6 and that was the only number that mattered. And he didn’t need a scoresheet to tell him that.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/11/23/raptors-focus-on-team-unity-not-stats

 :comeon
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose out for the season)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 26, 2013, 01:20:50 AM
(http://i.minus.com/iwcq55uNOw6br.gif)

also, lebron with 35 on 11-14 tonight.

dudes yet again playing the best basketball of his life
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose out for the season)
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 26, 2013, 01:35:00 AM
Nice cartwheel from Dwade

Glad to see he doesn't have to save his body for the playoffs like last year
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose out for the season)
Post by: T-Short on November 26, 2013, 03:22:02 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on November 25, 2013, 09:09:18 PM
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It’s common practice that after every game each player is provided a scoresheet. The sheet breaks down the individual players’ contributions as well as team totals.

That won’t be happening anymore in Toronto. Rudy Gay has put a stop to it.

Gay sees the scoresheets as an unnecessary barrier to team unity or even a temptation to be more focussed on what is best for the individual as opposed to what is best for the team.

“We’re not playing for stats,” Gay said.

Gay said there was no incident or no moment that pushed him toward this decision but as a leader on this team, he felt it was just something that was best for the team.

“I wanted to just nip it in the butt before it became an issue,” he said. “We come in here after losses, after wins and people are staring at those stat sheets, but that’s not what we’re about. We’re a team and the stat that matters is the W.”

NIP IT IN THE BUTT

 :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 26, 2013, 12:04:25 PM
Jim Buss: Kobe deal "right thing".


so I assume bringing back Phil Jackson when they had the chance was the "wrong thing"

Oh Lakers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 26, 2013, 05:17:11 PM
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Kupchak: "Everybody forgets that Kobe would be a free agent this summer too. So we got who we feel is one of the top free agents available"

And from Blazers land:
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If you think you've seen the Blazers looking at iPads on the bench during games, your eyes are not deceiving you. Multiple members of the team are indeed viewing game tape on the bench, during games, with an eye towards strategic adjustments.

A quick survey of Portland's key players on this subject produced some interesting results. Lillard, Matthews, Batum and LaMarcus Aldridge all said that they are using iPads for help during games. Interestingly, they are pursuing individual approaches when it comes to what footage they want to watch, and they also have personal preferences about when and how they view the on-demand footage.

Matthews and Aldridge were the biggest advocates of the new technology. Matthews told Blazersedge that he uses the tablet to examine plays on both sides of the ball. On his offensive touches, he's concerned with his shooting form, whether he's rushing his shots, and whether there were additional options available to him when the ball swings his way. On defensive plays, Matthews is checking for his stance, his spacing relative to his opponent, and how players are scoring on him.

Aldridge, by contrast, does not look at Portland's defensive possessions, instead reviewing the opposition's defensive coverages when he has the ball in the block or in isolation. Where are the double teams coming from? When do they come? Which of Portland's shooters are opponents choosing to leave open? What are his passing options? He sounded like a football quarterback or an offensive coordinator when describing this instant, in-game "reading the defense" process.
http://www.blazersedge.com/2013/11/26/5146394/media-row-report-blazers-102-knicks-91
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 26, 2013, 05:21:41 PM
That Portland thing sounds cool. Of course it helps that they are playing really well. If they sucked and were using those ipads, I would be taking a jab at this point.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 26, 2013, 05:55:43 PM
Ramona Shelburne said on radio this morning that Kobe signing the contract shows that he's willing to step up and lead in the Lakers' quest for another championship.

Mamba having the courage to play for $24 mil a year.  :bow2

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 26, 2013, 07:01:42 PM
that sounds like LA radio
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 26, 2013, 07:20:23 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 26, 2013, 05:21:41 PM
That Portland thing sounds cool. Of course it helps that they are playing really well. If they sucked and were using those ipads, I would be taking a jab at this point.
I think it's a cool idea but I'd imagine the teams would probably want to pay attention who actually would use it like these guys or a Battier or LeBron or Durant vs. say if you gave it to the Kings players.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 26, 2013, 09:59:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuUwTQQJmkU&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 27, 2013, 02:16:22 AM
Soooo...

are we all ready to talk about John Wall yet?  Dude has been the best EC point guard this season.  3 straight 30 point games, crazy assist totals, working hard of defense.  Dude's killing it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 27, 2013, 11:06:15 AM
(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/197kkbrh15zagpng/ku-xlarge.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 27, 2013, 11:25:34 AM
All he does is shoot in the paint...
(http://imageshack.us/a/img507/3374/skip1n.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 27, 2013, 11:31:33 AM
The biggest surprise on that list is honestly Monta Ellis. Who kind of got screwed as a free-agent and who most stat guys hate.

As usual the caveat of only 15 games being played but he's scoring at 23.5 and shooting nearly 50% which is quite impressive in light of him shooting 42% on 19 points a game last year. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Brehvolution on November 27, 2013, 12:36:50 PM
Looks like Kobe can afford a few more $4M rings. :shaq
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 27, 2013, 06:33:36 PM
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"Most of us have aspirations for being businessmen when our playing careers are over," Bryant told Yahoo Sports in a corridor of the Verizon Center. "But that starts now. You have to be able to wear both hats. You can't sit up there and say, 'Well, I'm going to take substantially less because there's public pressure, because all of a sudden, if you don't take less, you don't give a crap about winning. That's total bull----.

"I'm very fortunate to be with an organization that understands how to take care of its players, and put a great team out on the floor. They've figured out how to do both.

"Most players in this league don't have that. They get stuck in a predicament – probably intentionally done by the teams – to force them to take less money. Meanwhile, the value of the organization goes through the roof off the backs of their quote, unquote selfless players.

"It's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard."

...

Between a news conference and the next steps in his rehab on Tuesday night, Kobe Bryant was still raging over the response to his contract extension. This wasn't a noble gesture to awaken his peers, but simply a visceral reaction to the way the NBA has slowly, surely eroded the superstar's standing in the sport – and the way the players have allowed it to happen.

"Bull----," Kobe Bryant finally again said on his way back to the locker room. "Pure bull----."
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--kobe-bryant-refused-to-allow-nba-to-cheapen-his-superstar-value-053329468.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 27, 2013, 07:25:28 PM
I guess Lakers made the right deal if their priority was to make Lakers fans happy.  I've been talking to many fans here in LA and only one out of 20 or so is unhappy about the contract. 


Everyone is basically like, good deal cuz,



Carmelo can still get max to come here for sure.  Melo and Kobe are BFFs.  We don't want Lebron anyway.

We don't want Gasoft but he can stay for $5 million

Nash is gonna retire anyway.  He'll wise up or the team doctors will make him.

Jordan Hill loves being a Laker and will play for 1 mill a year

Kevin Love, Westbrook and Omar Asik are coming to the Lakers cuz we are the Lakers   

Who cares about cap cuz Lakers are always willing to pay the tax

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 27, 2013, 08:56:25 PM
Watching the Lakers destroying the Nets in Brooklyn

It's really sad to see how much KG and Pierce have declined.  Danny Ainge should be GM of the year.  No way he would have gotten even late 1st round picks by trading them this year. 

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 27, 2013, 09:28:34 PM
It's kind of weird thinking about it, but here in Michigan there's very little basketball talk on sports radio. Obviously the Pistons suck, but we also have the #1 NCAA basketball team in the country and another top 25 team, but no one calls in about that either. Things will change once we get closer to the Big Ten tournament and later the NCAA tournament, but even then it's rarely a dominating subject.

NFL/NCAA football and Tigers baseball dominate. Even the Red Wings aren't getting much love right now, perhaps due to it being early in the schedule. I'd imagine LA sports radio is dominated by idiotic Lakers fans, Miami radio probably discusses the Heat, etc.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 27, 2013, 11:06:10 PM
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The Cleveland Cavaliers are actively shopping second-year shooting guard Dion Waiters, according to sources with knowledge of the situation.

Three teams the Cavaliers are known to have spoken with are the New York Knicks, Chicago Bulls and Philadelphia 76ers, the sources said. The Cavs' targets are Iman Shumpert in New York, Evan Turner in Philadelphia and Luol Deng in Chicago, sources said.

It is believed Cleveland has reached out to other clubs as well.

Waiters, whom the Cavaliers drafted with the No. 4 pick in 2012, has a contentious relationship with several teammates, including star point guard Kyrie Irving, and sources say he is open to being traded. In fact, although Waiters has not demanded a trade, he brought up the subject in a three-hour meeting last week with coach Mike Brown and general manager Chris Grant, according to sources.

The Cavaliers are looking to shake things up after a 4-10 start. Part of their problem has been the dysfunction in their locker room. Waiters, a 6-foot-4 guard, got into an altercation with forward Tristan Thompson during a players-only meeting after a 29-point loss to the Minnesota Timberwolves on Nov. 13, sources said.

Sources described the following account:

Irving called the meeting after the game, and every player spoke. When Waiters was given the floor, he criticized Thompson and Irving, accusing them of playing "buddy ball'' and often refusing to pass to him. Thompson took umbrage with Waiters' words and went back at him verbally. The two confronted each other, but teammates intervened before it could escalate into a fight.

However, Waiters and Irving are not close. Waiters believes the Cavaliers have a double standard when it comes to Irving, sources said. Waiters feels that while Irving is allowed to get away with loafing defensively, making turnovers and taking bad shots, he is taken out of games for such things. Waiters has shared his views with Brown and Grant.

Waiters is slumping after a promising rookie season -- both his scoring and shooting percentage are down.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 28, 2013, 02:43:20 AM
PD you make the mistake of thinking LA has that sort of sports town culture. LA has celebrity culture, which the Lakers fit into rather easily. There is some sports fan culture with the baseball, but. that's because of the dodgers long history. And that's what makes the Kobe based reality so weird.

The great majority of laker fans act like a fan base that has long suffered in irrelevance before Kobe came along. You would think the Lakers were the Timberwolves before Garnett instead of one of the most histories NBA franchises. They expect to always win but have no sense of the history of always winning. Its like nothing existed before Kobe., so Kobe can act like everything is owed to him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 28, 2013, 11:14:43 AM
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"Cup slipped out of my hand while I was getting Ty," Kidd said of "Cupgate." "Sweaty palms. I was never good with the ball.

"In the heat of the battle, you're trying to get guys in and out of the game, and the cup fell out of my hand."

Video replays appeared to show Kidd saying "Hit me," something Taylor flatly denied.

Said Taylor: "No [Kidd didn't say that]. I wasn't paying attention. I just kind of bumped him. I didn't even know he was holding [anything]. [But] coach was drinking a soda on the sideline. I was like, 'What's he doing?'

"It could ice a free throw shooter and be a timeout when you don't have one, but that wasn't the thought process. I was just coming out, and he was in my way. 'Coach, get out of my way, bro.' "

(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/197phtp09gkh2gif/ku-xlarge.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 28, 2013, 11:18:16 AM
So blatant. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 28, 2013, 12:03:30 PM
J.Kidd is probably about two seconds away from getting fired anyway, might as well go for broke.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 28, 2013, 02:57:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8peR0Iktzo
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 29, 2013, 10:48:09 PM
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Chandler Parsons scored 21 points, making six 3-pointers, and the Houston Rockets picked up their fourth straight win, rolling to an easy 114-95 victory over the Brooklyn Nets on Friday night.

The Rockets led by 26 points at halftime and Brooklyn coach Jason Kidd benched all his starters except Brook Lopez for the entire second half.

What a nightmare.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Brooklyn Nets are wretched)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 29, 2013, 11:08:25 PM
Why is he a head coach, again?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Brooklyn Nets are wretched)
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 29, 2013, 11:11:22 PM
Did anyone catch OKC vs GSW?

Westbrook had a crazy sequence of first getting the rebound and then hitting the game winning 3 pt
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Brooklyn Nets are wretched)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 30, 2013, 12:13:43 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYa3csXve10
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Brooklyn Nets are wretched)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 30, 2013, 01:13:49 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/LuEuQ.png)

sick shot.  bestbrooke
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Brooklyn Nets are wretched)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 30, 2013, 01:35:37 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppK6b6Qep2c

 :dayum

trade looked awfully good tonight even with the loss, etiolate
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Brooklyn Nets are wretched)
Post by: etiolate on November 30, 2013, 03:57:21 AM
It was a low risk, high reward move for the Kings. I was fine trading for DWill, I just hated giving up Mbah a Moute. He did a lot of good things for the team.

We'll have to see if Williams can get that outside shot going though. Still a lack of shooting to space the floor for Cuz. DWill and McLemore are a highlight show doe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nCKgBtDBwU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ37FsAIqkc
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Brooklyn Nets are wretched)
Post by: Beezy on November 30, 2013, 10:13:38 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 30, 2013, 01:35:37 AM
:dayum
BALL DON'T LIE
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Brooklyn Nets are wretched)
Post by: etiolate on December 01, 2013, 12:06:57 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/iv67uS4.gif)

:lol reddick
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Brooklyn Nets are wretched)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 01, 2013, 12:57:05 AM
God I love Cousins  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Brooklyn Nets are wretched)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 01, 2013, 04:09:41 PM
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When the Phoenix Suns amnestied Michael Beasley last summer, teams were not exactly lining up for his services. After five years of disappointment and underachievement in the NBA in which his off-the-court indiscretions far outweighed his on-court accomplishments, Beasley had to settle for the minimum salary and returned to his old stomping grounds in Miami, the team that had traded him to Minnesota in exchange for two second-round picks and cash in 2010 after selecting him with the No. 2 pick in 2008.

But a funny thing is happening: Beasley, the troubled forward whom many people had given up on, is playing the most effective basketball of his career this season - at least statistically. Coming off the bench for the defending champions, Beasley is currently No. 16 in the NBA in PER. He'd never been in the Top 60 before and was actually an awful No. 271 in the ranking last season.

A few nuggets that show how good the 6-foot-9 forward has been for the Heat in his reserve role:

- Beasley's scoring average has gone from 10.1 ppg last year to 10.6 ppg this season even though he's playing 4.4 fewer minutes and taking 2.7 fewer shots per game on average.

- Beasley had the worst effective field goal percentage in the NBA in 2012-13 at 43.4 percent. This year, it's an impressive 61.0, which puts him near LeBron James (64.5).

- His true shooting percentage is 64.1 percent at this moment, which totally demolishes his previous best mark (52.8 percent).

- Beasley's total rebound percentage is a career-high 13.6 percent, which is also the best among Miami Heat players this season.

- He has been more effective in drives to the basket (69.2 percent of makes) than LeBron James (66.7) or Dwyane Wade (56.3).

- Beasley is hitting 50 percent of his catch-and-shoot attempts.

Consistency has not been one of Beasley's traits throughout his career and it's safe to say his numbers will come down to earth eventually. But so far, it's an unexpected feel-good story for him in Miami.

 :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Brooklyn Nets are wretched)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 01, 2013, 07:43:38 PM
Dude just needed a proper coach and strong role models to be around.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Brooklyn Nets are wretched)
Post by: etiolate on December 01, 2013, 08:33:30 PM
The league doesn't have a flopping problem as much as it has a reffing problem. Fining the players won't stop it as long as the refs keep rewarding them in-game. The wins matter more than the fines. If they wanted to stop flops, they'd either get better refs or start fining the refs for falling for the flops. There's no real impetus to not flop. It's too much of an advantage to not do.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Brooklyn Nets are wretched)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 01, 2013, 09:50:53 PM
Anthony Davis broke his hand against the Knicks tonight.

JJ Reddick also suffered a hand injury and will miss 6 to 8 weeks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 01, 2013, 09:59:36 PM
lol. Knicks offense is  ???

They will lose here to the Pelicans despite the Pelicans losing Davis in the first quarter. This being a home game for the knicks. And the knicks leading in the 4th quarter. Their 9th straight loss. Their 7th straight at home.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 01, 2013, 10:03:52 PM
Andre  :phil
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Knicks are wretched)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 01, 2013, 11:26:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWruAuJPrGM
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Brooklyn Nets are wretched)
Post by: benjipwns on December 02, 2013, 12:18:51 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 01, 2013, 04:09:41 PM
:bow2
I was arguing somewhere where almost everyone else on that forum thought the Beasley (and Oden) signings were horrible and would destroy Miami. I was arguing that worst case scenario they could just cut Beasley, and that even standard case he was decent enough to soak up regular season minutes, that it was low risk, high reward because of the possibility he fits in perfectly with that team as someone who can step in during one/two of the Big Three sitting and create shots. Even speculated it could improve his numbers because of less bad shots, less creating on his own, etc. And that his issues wouldn't be a big deal because Wade, LeBron, Battier, Allen, Joel Anthony, etc. wouldn't allow it to be like Jordan/Pippen/etc. with Rodman.

I certainly never imagined this though.

EDIT: Side note, just noticed that Shane Battier finally had a turnover this season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Knicks are wretched)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 02, 2013, 01:11:33 AM
Beasley isn't good enough or heady enough to be your first, second, or even probably third option on an nba team but for the role he currently has, he is way over qualified. I wasn't really worried about him fitting in at all.

Oden is and will remain the bigger question mark. They probably won't seriously try to fit him in until the second half of the season, but I'm worried his health just won't be there. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Knicks are wretched)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 02, 2013, 01:19:11 AM
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We told you that the Rockets were more than willing to deal troubled big man Omer Asik, but that the asking price was extremely high — so high, in fact, that one rival GM called Houston “delusional” in terms of what the team was expecting to net in return on the open market.

Now we have word of exactly what the asking price has been, and delusional doesn’t begin to describe it.

From Alan Hahn of MSG Networks:

It’s December, so the NBA trade market heats up. #Knicks, like others, are shopping, what’s available?

Not much.

The name that is dominating the early rumors is Omer Asik of the Rockets. The disgruntled center can be had, but Houston isn’t just giving him away.

In fact, the Rockets are setting the market high for Asik, with a demand of two first round picks in any deal.

Basic negotiation theory tells you to begin any discussion with an unrealistically high price if you’re the seller in order to artificially inflate the market for your product or service. But you don’t want to go too high, lest you risk offending the buying party to the point where they’ll break off talks together, or be unwilling to engage entirely.

That’s where the Rockets are right now. No one is giving up two first round draft picks for Asik, even though as a player he’s highly thought of by general managers as someone who could anchor a team’s defense inside.

The teams that would have the most interest in Asik are likely fringe contenders that need another strong piece to push them over the top. The Knicks, for example, with Tyson Chandler out due to injury and both Amar’e Stoudemire and Kenyon Martin being somewhere between hobbled and ineffective this season, would love to talk about dealing for Asik. But they have already mortgaged the future, and have no first round picks to deal until 2018.

Asik isn’t getting dealt at all this season unless that price comes down, but something tells us that Houston may become a lot more reasonable if Asik continues to be a non-factor for them as the trade deadline approaches.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Knicks are wretched)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 02, 2013, 06:13:27 AM
Kings/Warriors games are always awesome
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Knicks are wretched)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 03, 2013, 12:36:19 AM
Portland takes down Indy tonight. That team is for real.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Knicks are wretched)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 03, 2013, 12:47:35 AM
just about to post about that.  Regardless of that, Geroge had 43 points and an awesome 4th quarter.  Dude is a legit superstar.

Lillard had a clutch late game three as well, further cementing him as a potential all star as well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Knicks are wretched)
Post by: etiolate on December 03, 2013, 01:00:06 AM
Watching that game, I felt like the Pacers wasted possessions when they went to Hibbert down low. I like Hibbert, but his offensive game is still weak. West and George should see touches every time for that team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Knicks are wretched)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 03, 2013, 03:08:49 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=L_va1VHjikk
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Knicks are wretched)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 03, 2013, 03:14:58 AM
Nice 3 game stretch for Duncan

I was starting to think that age has finally caught up to him but then he goes 8-13, 8-13 and 10-15

Pretty impressive if his FG% gets close to 50%

I wonder who's the oldest guy to shoot 50% while still averaging double digits

Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Knicks are wretched)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 03, 2013, 03:17:13 AM
What's up with the injury bug this season?

JJ Reddick, Anthony Davis, Paul Pierce, Jordan Farmar all out for at least a month

Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Knicks are wretched)
Post by: benjipwns on December 03, 2013, 03:24:07 AM
Weirder part is that the first three of those were their hand.
Quote from: Smooth Groove on December 03, 2013, 03:14:58 AM
I wonder who's the oldest guy to shoot 50% while still averaging double digits
Kareem (http://bkref.com/tiny/azpdI)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Knicks are wretched)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 03, 2013, 09:45:03 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNyhMrlwmVk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE1L4bqvzMY
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Knicks are wretched)
Post by: etiolate on December 03, 2013, 11:58:37 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on December 03, 2013, 03:17:13 AM
What's up with the injury bug this season?

JJ Reddick, Anthony Davis, Paul Pierce, Jordan Farmar all out for at least a month

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist too now
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Knicks are wretched)
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 04, 2013, 12:37:37 AM
I just realized that the Eastern conference only has two teams with a winning record. :rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Knicks are wretched)
Post by: etiolate on December 04, 2013, 01:20:34 AM
I feel like the East is so bad it's messing up a lot of the Eastern lottery teams tank-the-season plan. Everyone's so bad, they all keep picking up wins against each other.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Knicks are wretched)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2013, 01:23:16 AM
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NEW YORK -- Brooklyn Nets coach Jason Kidd has reassigned Lawrence Frank to a reduced role and Frank will no longer sit on the bench as Kidd's lead assistant coach.

Multiple league sources told ESPN.com in recent weeks there was "friction" and a difference of philosophies between Kidd and Frank brewing since the start of the season.

Many figured Frank would be the perfect sounding board and mentor for Kidd in his first go-around as a coach. But sources maintain that Kidd and Frank's relationship changed at the start of the season with a difference of "agendas" affecting their working relationship. A breaking point was reached with this as the resolution.

"This is the decision that I had to make and we made it and we move on," Kidd told reporters before the Nets played the Denver Nuggets Tuesday night. "This is my decision in the sense of what I had to do. It's about basketball. That's it."

The Nets have decided not to try to pursue another veteran coach to take Frank's spot even though they came into the season believing Frank's presence was vital to help Kidd with the rare immediate transition from player to coach. One coaching source told ESPN.com that the Nets ultimately concluded -- as much as they want a coach at Kidd's side who's been around the block to "guide him" -- that this pairing would not work if Frank insisted on telling him "what to do."

Kidd said Frank has been reassigned "to doing daily reports" and that Frank will not be sitting on the bench or working practices moving forward. Kidd said he does not plan on adding another assistant.

"Just different philosophies," Kidd said of the move. "That's all. We'll figure out how to stop people [on defense]."

Frank was demoted despite a lucrative contract that made him Kidd's top assistant.  According to a league source, Frank signed a six-year deal with the Nets worth approximately $6 million. The deal included a front office position for the final two years of his contract, according to the source. Frank was earning $1 million in each of the first two seasons and $1.65 million in each of the third and fourth years of the contract.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Knicks are wretched)
Post by: benjipwns on December 04, 2013, 01:24:47 AM
The monte carlo simulation is freaking out because of this, check tomorrow and the entire East (sans IND and MIA) will basically be shuffled in some other order: http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/playoff_prob.cgi

Based Detroit's Size and Athleticism against Miami's one weakness :lawd

Quote from: etiolate on December 03, 2013, 11:58:37 PM
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist too now
And it's his hand!


http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/10075019/jason-kidd-reassigns-lawrence-frank-reduced-role-brooklyn-nets
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- Brooklyn Nets coach Jason Kidd has reassigned Lawrence Frank to a reduced role and Frank will no longer sit on the bench as Kidd's lead assistant coach.

Multiple league sources told ESPN.com in recent weeks there was "friction" and a difference of philosophies between Kidd and Frank brewing since the start of the season.

Many figured Frank would be the perfect sounding board and mentor for Kidd in his first go-around as a coach. But sources maintain that Kidd and Frank's relationship changed at the start of the season with a difference of "agendas" affecting their working relationship. A breaking point was reached with this as the resolution.

...

The Nets have decided not to try to pursue another veteran coach to take Frank's spot even though they came into the season believing Frank's presence was vital to help Kidd with the rare immediate transition from player to coach. One coaching source told ESPN.com that the Nets ultimately concluded -- as much as they want a coach at Kidd's side who's been around the block to "guide him" -- that this pairing would not work if Frank insisted on telling him "what to do."

Kidd said Frank has been reassigned "to doing daily reports" and that Frank will not be sitting on the bench or working practices moving forward. Kidd said he does not plan on adding another assistant.

...

Frank was demoted despite a lucrative contract that made him Kidd's top assistant.  According to a league source, Frank signed a six-year deal with the Nets worth approximately $6 million. The deal included a front office position for the final two years of his contract, according to the source. Frank was earning $1 million in each of the first two seasons and $1.65 million in each of the third and fourth years of the contract.

...

Originally, Kidd had his coaching staff set up with Frank orchestrating the defense and assistant John Welch handling the offensive duties.

...

"We'll be coaches, that is who we will be," Kidd said of who will handle the defense and offense moving forward. "There is no one doing offense, no one doing defense. We will take the responsibility of being coaches. That is how it will be set up."

EDIT: Stoney!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Knicks are wretched)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 04, 2013, 01:54:07 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on December 03, 2013, 03:24:07 AM
Weirder part is that the first three of those were their hand.
Quote from: Smooth Groove on December 03, 2013, 03:14:58 AM
I wonder who's the oldest guy to shoot 50% while still averaging double digits
Kareem (http://bkref.com/tiny/azpdI)

Totally forgot about how great old Kareem was. 

At ages 37 and 38, he still averaged about 23PPG on 58% FG and top 10 in PER and Win Shares.

It's especially amazing since he wasn't a gargantuan beast like Wilt or Shaq. 

I wonder how much of that has to do with Magic. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Knicks are wretched)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 04, 2013, 01:57:01 AM
The broken hands are crazy.  Are NBA players just recklessly chopping at the ball like playground ballers?

Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Knicks are wretched)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 04, 2013, 02:01:13 AM
Aren't a few of them due to awkward landings?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Knicks are wretched)
Post by: benjipwns on December 04, 2013, 02:03:38 AM
Kareem was beyond insane at a younger age so he was still really good as he aged. Check out his estimated Win Shares in the 70's compared to the runner up each year. Nobody's ever had a gap like that. Not Wilt, not Jordan, not LeBron. You have to go back to the BAA with Mikan to find a year like Kareem had regularly in terms of his separation from everyone else.

The ABA did contribute to this, but Kareem was still insane. On both ends!

Magic probably helped him age more gracefully but bigs who tend not to have injury problems when younger do pretty well and keep their usefulness in their later 30s. I imagine if Moses didn't have to have back surgery he would have kept chugging along, even with that he still showed some life in 93-94. Even Kevin Willis of all people wasn't THAT bad after 40.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Knicks are wretched)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 04, 2013, 04:40:53 AM
cant put into words my feels during the 4th quarter of that Warriors/Raptors game :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Knicks are wretched)
Post by: etiolate on December 04, 2013, 05:35:36 AM
A lot of the broken hands are from awkward landings. It's a lot of the lean and long athletic guys, too.

Well except for Redick.

Also, I love how Boogie has embraced the Charles Barkley Heel role.

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Sean CunninghamVerified account
‏@News10Sean
Asked DeMarcus Cousins about playing Friday, he joked "probably not, think I'll be out rest of the season & I can get a comeback commercial"

Also, WESTERN CONFERENCE ROOKIE OF THE MONTH! (By Default.)
(http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1949319/benoutrunsKD.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2013, 03:47:08 PM
Knicks versus Nets tonight on TNT.

 :jawalrus

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on December 04, 2013, 07:16:09 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2013, 03:47:08 PM
Knicks versus Nets tonight on TNT.

 :jawalrus
:snoop
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 04, 2013, 07:19:46 PM
The Mecca of Basketball
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on December 04, 2013, 07:29:50 PM
Oh wait. The game is tomorrow.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 04, 2013, 07:55:59 PM
Basketball still has one more day to live!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2013, 07:58:55 PM
Quote from: Beezy on December 04, 2013, 07:29:50 PM
Oh wait. The game is tomorrow.

My bad. I lost track of my days. I thought today was Thursday apparently for most of the day.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 04, 2013, 08:19:14 PM
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l306/atilladahun_2006/KF%20Photo/Shotchart_1386036485601_Marc_zps77da1abb.png)
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l306/atilladahun_2006/KF%20Photo/Shotchart_1386035625080_Pau_zpscbfaa2af.png)
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l306/atilladahun_2006/KF%20Photo/Shotchart_1386101240186_Cousins_zpsce71dc3d.png)
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l306/atilladahun_2006/KF%20Photo/Shotchart_1386099778153_Duncan_zps0ac8d2d8.png)

These shotcharts belong to Demarcus Cousins, Tim Duncan, Pau Gasol and Marc Gasol.

CAN YOU GUESS WHICH IS WHICH
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 04, 2013, 09:32:01 PM
Marc
Demarcus
Pau
Duncan
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 04, 2013, 11:55:27 PM
https://twitter.com/trailblazers/status/408327384241156096

 :rofl

https://twitter.com/Suns/status/408331262563057664
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 05, 2013, 12:52:01 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on December 04, 2013, 09:32:01 PM
Marc
Demarcus
Pau
Duncan

switch the middle two and you're right
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 05, 2013, 09:26:49 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCZ76gmNJaY
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 05, 2013, 01:44:05 PM
http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/10083521/derrick-rose-chicago-bulls-rule-return-playoffs


Some people never learn.

 ::)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 05, 2013, 03:10:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfJ_n1c8cG0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8-QRbqFKys
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 05, 2013, 04:07:05 PM
In a Larry Bird mood for some reason. He was my favorite player as a kid. Probably the only black kid in America who could say that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfLjD5ft6o4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULvo7__wwBU
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 05, 2013, 05:03:49 PM
I agree with Jalen on Hack a Shaq issue. You want to stop being fouled then make free throws.

Also, I am not for the abolish conferences thing. I think it would lead to much bigger problems. The NBA already has too much establishment issues, but if it was always the top 16 teams in the playoffs, you'd have even more stagnation. The bottom rung would just become farm teams for the established franchises. At least with the conference setup, you can have talent switch conferences to have a better chance at the playoffs. And though it has been typically Western dominated, there have been a few years lately where the East had more quality teams.  Plus, the league needs to work back towards team identity and fan-to-team identity. Most of the league's issues come from Star and market power, which both can be addressed despite the protests of the servile. I'm always wary of anything that leads a league towards what the MLB has become.

edit: Oh my. It seems Barkley is doing commentary for the Knicks/Nets game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 05, 2013, 06:53:05 PM
One of the things I must admit I like about the knicks collapsing is all the morons who were criticizing Tyson Chandler during the playoffs as if he was the problem. He's the only fricking piece of that team that works.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on December 05, 2013, 07:47:06 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 05, 2013, 06:53:05 PM
One of the things I must admit I like about the knicks collapsing is all the morons who were criticizing Tyson Chandler during the playoffs as if he was the problem. He's the only fricking piece of that team that works.
Nah, he was really shit in the Pacers series. He was playing hurt, but kept saying he was 100%. We didn't know that until we were eliminated. Never thought he was THE problem, but he was definitely a part of it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 05, 2013, 07:47:57 PM
The only thing worse than being a Knick is playing for New York.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 05, 2013, 08:18:46 PM
Knicks up by 7 at the half.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 05, 2013, 09:04:08 PM
Nets with their infamous third quarter collapse.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on December 06, 2013, 04:52:25 AM
lol @ Nets

How long will Kidd survive?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 06, 2013, 10:28:05 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74LTb4hHN8w
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 06, 2013, 04:39:05 PM
Kobe's return is this Sunday :hyper :hyper :hyper

against the raptors, no less!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 07, 2013, 12:29:49 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgjFGzrUDFk

Also in three point news:
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kpelton Kevin Pelton
Per @bball_ref, the Blazers' 73.9% 3-point shooting tonight is best ever for a team w/at least 20 3PA (was 71.4%):

Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 05, 2013, 04:07:05 PM
In a Larry Bird mood for some reason. He was my favorite player as a kid. Probably the only black kid in America who could say that.
My favorite Bird videos are this series:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhnRtgBGMl4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mF9xdLyJGA
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on December 07, 2013, 12:49:40 AM
Quote from: etiolate on December 05, 2013, 05:03:49 PM
Also, I am not for the abolish conferences thing. I think it would lead to much bigger problems. The NBA already has too much establishment issues, but if it was always the top 16 teams in the playoffs, you'd have even more stagnation. The bottom rung would just become farm teams for the established franchises. At least with the conference setup, you can have talent switch conferences to have a better chance at the playoffs.

I don't understand how this would work.  The draft, salary cap, and luxury tax would still be in place, and surely those are much bigger factors in preventing talented players from clustering on the same teams than the conference setup.

How many significant players have changed teams and cited going to a weaker conference as a reason for their choice?  Off the top of my head I can't think of a single one.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 07, 2013, 01:25:31 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on December 07, 2013, 12:29:49 AM
My favorite Bird videos are this series:

A pet peeve of mine is when people compare Dirk to Larry Bird. No disrespect to Dirk who is a great hall of fame player himself but I think these people must not have actually watched Larry Bird play in his prime. The skill set was very different outside of great shooting.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe Bryant to return Sunday)
Post by: benjipwns on December 07, 2013, 01:51:28 AM
One thing you hear a lot about Bird from people who probably haven't watched much of him is that he wasn't a good defender. And yeah he was pretty average one-on-one, but he was a fantastic help defender. That awareness and smarts made him great at seeing the offenses plan and just coming in out of nowhere to help get a stop. Those passing videos alone have a bunch of him doing that and starting breaks. And the Celtics were often deliberately tailoring their matchups so Bird could do that on purpose and not hiding him because he couldn't guard people.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe Bryant to return Sunday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 07, 2013, 02:01:44 AM
Larry in his prime not only was a great passer but he had great body control. It's fashionable to say the typical thing of oh Larry wasn't athletic but he could really drive and finish in a really great way which is not generally something you say about unathletic people. Part of that of course was his outside shot was so good that it helped create driving situations because they would body up on him and then he could get by them and finish.

Once the back and foot injuries started to take their toll he couldn't do it anymore and was kind of reduced to being an outside shooter who used a lot of guile to get his buckets which was a little sad to see. But when he was younger he was amazingly fun to watch not only shooting but driving and creating. The not athletic thing is such a misleading thing to say about Larry Bird because it creates the wrong image of how he played and what was enjoyable about watching him.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe Bryant to return Sunday)
Post by: benjipwns on December 08, 2013, 02:44:41 AM
Aldridge, who or what are you guarding here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oelQhc6WETw
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe Bryant to return Sunday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 08, 2013, 02:55:47 AM
Nice shot there by Monta. Cuban finally caught a break since the whole let's not resign Tyson Chandler episode.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe Bryant to return Sunday)
Post by: Mandark on December 08, 2013, 03:00:14 AM
Bad defense by Aldridge there (and defense is what everyone's expecting to be Portland's undoing), but that clip just can't have the same impact after seeing those James Harden compilations.


...or, as a Wizards fan, after seeing a few thousand minutes of Kwame, Andray, and Javale.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe Bryant to return Sunday)
Post by: Your Stalker on December 08, 2013, 02:31:22 PM
the knicks really lost by 41 to the celtics  :holeup
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe Bryant to return Sunday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 08, 2013, 05:29:49 PM
I never use terms like "the players have quit" because I think that turns basketball flaws into psychological analysis that sports fans/pundits aren't prepared to make unless they are on the team.
But my god these knicks.

I know Chandler is the key cog to that team but how you lose to the Celtics by that much even without him is baffling.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe Bryant to return Sunday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 08, 2013, 05:47:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7iX3mTWESE
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe Bryant to return Sunday)
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 08, 2013, 05:57:28 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 08, 2013, 05:47:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7iX3mTWESE

 :supergay :supergay :supergay
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe Bryant to return Sunday)
Post by: Beezy on December 08, 2013, 07:10:51 PM
Kings are close to making a trade for Rudy Gay. :holeup

Edit: Actually, the deal is already done. Gay has been pulled from the Raptors lineup tonight. We're just waiting to hear the details. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe Bryant to return Sunday)
Post by: etiolate on December 08, 2013, 07:38:33 PM
WHY WHAT FUCK YOU DALLESANDRO
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe Bryant to return Sunday)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 08, 2013, 07:50:18 PM
Refs must have made that trade for the Kings.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe Bryant to return Sunday)
Post by: etiolate on December 08, 2013, 07:52:19 PM
Well the refs love to bait and fuck with Boogie, and Rudy Gay will cause more meltdowns than Joe Crawford could ever hope for.

Can't wait for the game where Rudy has jacked up his 20th brick while Cousins waves his hands in the post to no avail.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe Bryant to return Sunday)
Post by: Beezy on December 08, 2013, 07:52:32 PM
Quote from: etiolate on December 08, 2013, 07:38:33 PM
WHY WHAT FUCK YOU DALLESANDRO
Gay Cousins :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe Bryant to return Sunday)
Post by: etiolate on December 08, 2013, 07:57:53 PM
Bright side view: The Kings gave up scrap for Gay. Vasquez is the best player in that bunch and he's been struggling this season. So they didn't give up much but capspace for next year and it's not like they can lure Free Agents with that capspace.

Apparently they will start Williams and Gay, with Gay as the stretch 4? Or maybe double stretch 4s since the defense will just put their PF on DWill. Interesting lineup thats athletic and fast.

Negative view: Except Cousins isn't built for a fast break team and needs half-court system. For some reason, front offices want to surround him with speed and athleticism, but he does not transition well. He's a bruiser that maybe two players in the entire league can defend.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe Bryant to return Sunday)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 08, 2013, 07:59:31 PM
Quote from: etiolate on December 08, 2013, 07:52:19 PM
Well the refs love to bait and fuck with Boogie, and Rudy Gay will cause more meltdowns than Joe Crawford could ever hope for.

Can't wait for the game where Rudy has jacked up his 20th brick while Cousins waves his hands in the post to no avail.

Luckily Cousins won't know Gay bricked 20 shots because players won't be allowed to see the box scores.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe Bryant to return Sunday)
Post by: etiolate on December 08, 2013, 08:02:33 PM
 :dead  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe Bryant to return Sunday)
Post by: benjipwns on December 08, 2013, 08:14:49 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 08, 2013, 07:59:31 PM
Luckily Cousins won't know Gay bricked 20 shots because players won't be allowed to see the box scores.
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe Bryant to return Sunday)
Post by: etiolate on December 08, 2013, 08:17:34 PM
We are now the official Game of Thrones team. We got Kings and Gay Cousins.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe Bryant to return Sunday)
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 08, 2013, 08:25:07 PM
How's Gay play around the rim?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe Bryant to return Sunday)
Post by: etiolate on December 08, 2013, 11:29:20 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on December 08, 2013, 08:25:07 PM
How's Gay play around the rim?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RXaERVhNuU
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe Bryant to return Sunday)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 08, 2013, 11:31:25 PM
kobe not shooting much/well, but has 8 boards which is pretty surprising and good to see
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe Bryant to return Sunday)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 09, 2013, 12:46:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikC5GIpNFWw

Kobe was a hero?   :larry


Btw, not a bad return by Kobe.  He forced too many passes and chemistry was lacking between him and his teammates.  However, physically he looked pretty good.  That first step still looks quick enough to get by most defenders and he was athletic enough to get 8 rebounds. 

Still, it was nowhere near Magic's amazing comeback,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EZ6tm-NxsI
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 09, 2013, 12:28:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lPGCgzSrK0
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 09, 2013, 12:31:52 PM
Blazers are actually doing well, so I guess it's time for me to hop back on the fair weather fan bandwagon! RIP CITY!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 09, 2013, 12:40:06 PM
Was watching random youtube videos and came across this one. I don't really care about the content of the clip. It's skip being stupid as usual. But my god the Stephen A. Smith face at the beginning while skip is talking. Somebody please emoticon that shit. I couldn't stop laughing at it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jjeusm_1oU
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 09, 2013, 02:52:12 PM
I don't like Rudy Gay's game and obviously dislike trading for him, but I'm surprised that the media overlooks the fact that the Kings gave up very little for him and that acquiring him is low risk because of his giant expiring capspace next year. It's not like the pieces they traded would ever get back a talent or value higher than Rudy Gay. It's also easier to move a giant expiring than smaller "movable pieces" and contracts. Middling and declining players on mid-range contracts rarely get you much in exchange because any player of worth on a similar contract is too valuable to the team that possesses the player. Overpaid roleplayers have very little trade value. Toronto is taking them because two are expiring and they're desperate to ditch Rudy Gay.

The Kings are offering up their scraps for talents that other teams have failed to get high value for and everything they're getting in return comes off the books after next season. They'll probably trade Thompson or Thornton for an expiring this year so they can make an offer to Isaiah Thomas.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on December 09, 2013, 03:07:14 PM
The main cost of the Rudy Gay trade isn't the players they gave up, it's the money they'll have to spend on him next season.  They took on what, 13-14 million for next year and basically killed any flexibility, and didn't get even a second-rounder for their troubles.

It's all different if Gay opts out of his contract, but any agent advising him to do that should probably get his license revoked.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 09, 2013, 03:20:47 PM
The Kings weren't going to do much with the capspace of Salmons, Patterson and Vasquez. This free agent class is too high society for Sactown.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on December 09, 2013, 04:32:59 PM
I wouldn't expect the Kings to go after a marquee free agent this offseason.  But if they had cap space, they could have picked up some more assets by being the facilitator in three-team trades, or by taking on expiring contracts at the trade deadline from teams that were looking to duck the luxury tax.  Portland and Houston did this for years.  Plus there's always the chance that a couple mid-tier free agents will still be out there after most teams have capped out in the offseason and wind up signing for pretty cheap deals, like Paul Millsap and Jeff Teague did this year.

It's not a killer, cause it's only for a year, but it looks like they threw away one season's cap room without getting any assets for the future.  Considering Toronto would have waived Gay if they could have, the Kings should have at least gotten a draft pick for their troubles.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 09, 2013, 04:53:53 PM
They weren't going to get a pick out of this. Nobody is trading away a draft pick in this year's draft. All the teams dumb enough to do that already have. Every tidbit I hear is that every GM wants a draft pick in return. When everyone wants the same thing, nobody gets said thing.

Sacramento is cleaning house just like Toronto. They've also shown they will quickly move a guy again that they recently acquired. Both Gay and Williams were acquired via pieces that were traded for in the off-season. The only thing I know about the new ownership is exactly that. They make every move with an escape clause ready if it doesn't succeed.

So they threw away some cap room which I imagine they'll likely reacquire via trading Thompson or Thornton. They'll have the cap room for the only FA they could hope to resign in Isaiah Thomas. Meanwhile, the FA class with the second tier guys who will be looking for a home? The same FA class as Williams and Gay. To me, the plan is to see how the new assets work out. If they don't work out, then they'll be ending next year and will still have value. If Gay is just as bad as he is now next year, his trade value will still be higher next year due to his contract expiring. If Gay has a resurgence, then his trade value increases even more. Either way, Gay will be a better asset a year from now. The only moves available to them were the draft and retaining IT. Those are still moves they have.

As for being a facilitator, I don't know if they really had the flexibility and pieces for that. I also think they want to turn things around by the time the new arena is built.

edit: Also, Rudy Gay's usage rate will go down around Cousins and IT. He will also be in a contract year next year. Both of these things predict an increase in the quality of his play. The main question is whether that shoulder injury permanently harmed his ability.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 09, 2013, 08:28:47 PM
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On @SiriusXMNBA, NBA deputy commissioner Adam Silver said competition committee will look at whether divisions have outlived usefulness.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 09, 2013, 10:00:51 PM
I welcome the next generation of stat-nerd commissioners
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 09, 2013, 11:27:26 PM
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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 09, 2013, 11:37:00 PM
My NBA knowledge is weak, but isn't that a foul?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 10, 2013, 12:04:01 AM
Only to his manhood.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 10, 2013, 12:33:42 AM
Looks like he just missed the dunk and then some incidental contact
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 10, 2013, 12:39:15 AM


Derrick Williams, PF     35    12-16   3-5   4-6   1   4   5   0   5   0   2   2   +22   31
DeMarcus Cousins, C   36   10-17   0-0   12-14   4   15   19   3   3   1   9   2   +31   32

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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on December 10, 2013, 12:42:12 AM
Unless I'm wrong, the body contact makes that a foul.  Sometimes it seems like plays don't get called cause they're too awesome, and I'm mostly okay with that.

The point about the Rudy trade is that the Raptors wanted to be rid of him (and from multiple reports had basically offered him to everyone), and the team taking on salary in a dump trade should get something to offset taking on a lousy contract.  Ujiri wasn't going to send a first rounder in this year's draft, but you can at least hold out for a second rounder or super-protected first to be conveyed in the future.

I think you're right about ownership wanting to have a good team in place for the new arena, and I think they're in the same boat as the Cavs, Wiz, Pistons, and maybe some other teams that are trying to accelerate their timetable for winning for whatever reasons (impatient owners, fan fatigue), even if they might be better served by being patient and stockpiling assets where they can pick them up.  Which is why everyone liked the Williams acquisition.  Trading for Rudy isn't the worst thing ever, but I don't think it's a good use for next year's cap space or even the best deal they could have struck to bring him to Sacramento.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 10, 2013, 01:16:58 AM
I just feel its harder to stockpile assets when you're dealing with the situation the Maloofs left behind. The Kings were a team that had very little trade assets. It's Isaiah Thomas, Salmons expiring, and Ben McLemore. They didn't have much cap space to wiggle with or absorb contracts. You're right in that they could have maybe flipped players for the sole purpose of turning themselves into a facilitator, but I am not sure that fit the situation they are in. The Kings have been tanking for years without success. (Wizards the same.) At a certain point, you're no longer tanking to get better. You're just a miserable team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 10, 2013, 01:21:30 AM
Quote from: etiolate on December 10, 2013, 12:39:15 AM


Derrick Williams, PF     35    12-16   3-5   4-6   1   4   5   0   5   0   2   2   +22   31
DeMarcus Cousins, C   36   10-17   0-0   12-14   4   15   19   3   3   1   9   2   +31   32


looked up the boxcore and lo and behold, Jimmer Fredette is still in the league?
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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 10, 2013, 01:33:17 AM
Beno Udrih and Biyombo for John Salmons and Jimmer Fredette in the draft spot where Kawhi Leonard was waiting to be taken.

One of Petrie's worst trades, apparently prompted by Westphal saying he wanted Salmons and the Maloofs wanting to sell tickets. *shudder*
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 10, 2013, 11:14:55 AM
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Jason Kidd thought he could make it work. Which, in itself, was the first sign of trouble.
The whole business of Kidd becoming the Nets' coach is built on assertions, assumptions, hopes. But it took Kidd exactly a month on the job before he abandoned the Larry Bird CEO model of coaching and threw aside the guy he said he had to have to make the transition work -- former assistant Lawrence Frank.

Frank was "reassigned" to preparing "reports" for Kidd and the remaining members of the coaching staff. What those reports could possibly involve is not currently being shared with the outside world (leading to this hilarious and profane parody), and is merely a cover for the inevitable financial settlement that will end Frank's stay with the team.
"We're a lot closer than the public thinks," Kidd said early Thursday night.
Then the Nets lost on national television to the Knicks by 30 at home.
"We feel we have enough talent to win," Kidd said afterward. "But we're coming up short."
Owner Mikhail Prokhorov has made it clear that, this season of all seasons, spending on the team is not a problem. But $6 million for a guy who prepares "reports?" Even The Billionaire Russian has to look at his spreadsheets and shake his head.
What is remarkable is that anyone in the Nets' organization would be surprised that this is how things would turn out.
This team, of all teams -- that employed Frank as its coach at Jason Kidd's request after firing Byron Scott in 2004 -- knew that whatever type personality is above "Type A," that was Frank. He is obsessed with the game, as anyone who had the stones to go from student manager at Indiana University to NBA coach must assuredly be. At every level, Frank is a tinkerer, a pleader, an irritant, a demander, the same kind of irritant that the Van Gundys are. He made players better, just as they did.
Kidd brought Frank in to run the defense, draw up plays, be the coaches' voice at practice. And then, Frank did that. And Kidd was taken aback.
Frog, meet scorpion.

"The assistant's job is to stand up and call coverages," an NBA coaching source said last week. "Every time the offense comes down and calls a play, my defensive coach stands up and yells 'four down!' or 'get to the side.' Jason didn't like it. He thought Lawrence was coaching the team."
Well, he was. That's why he got a six-year deal. Just like Rick Carlisle was coaching the Pacers, more or less, every day that Bird had the title. And that's not written to demean either man. Bird was the big picture guy; Carlisle (and the late Dick Harter, who ran Indiana's defense) the detail man. There was nothing wrong with that arrangement.
The reason Brooklyn brought Frank in in the first place -- and paid him that $6 million -- was because Kidd acknowledged he needed help as he broke into the coaching game. Brooklyn waited weeks for Frank, who spent much of the summer with his ailing wife, to decide if he could be away from his family for the long stretches that make up the life of an NBA coach.
To say ego was not involved here is to say water is not wet. Frank's way -- "passive-aggressive undermining," as another coaching source put it last week -- is grating. Certainly, the new contract gave him a kind of cache -- diplomatic immunity for the basketball set -- above the other assistants. If he's the coach, you have to accept it -- it's what he's saying, not how he's saying it, and so on. (The other assistants have to accept it, too, by the way, as none of them were getting $1 million a year.)
But Kidd didn't have to accept it. He was no longer a player, and Frank was no longer his coach.
Kidd tried, gradually at first, to start putting his own imprint on the team. He would be, a member of the organization said last week, direct and honest with players in film sessions, going over things one-on-one with players -- "that's a bad shot, and here's why. That's losing basketball, and here's why," the source said. He tried to point out that he did know a couple of things about defense based on his career as a player (whether he specifically mentioned his four first-team all-NBA defensive team selections is unknown), and that he had ideas that were different from Frank's.
But Frank "wouldn't stop talking," the second coaching source countered.
And several outlets have reported Frank was angered that Kidd chose assistant Joe Prunty instead of him to coach the team in his absence while Kidd served his DUI suspension at the start of the regular season.
The denouement came in the now well-reported blowup Kidd had with Frank, where Kidd, according to a source, told Frank: "Sit the (bleep) down! I'm the coach of this (13-letter word) team! When you're on the bench, don't (bleeping) move!"
Frank did as he was told. Other coaches playing the Nets thought he was ill, he was so quiet during recent games.
In the few days since he left, Kidd has tinkered with the Nets' pick-and-roll defense, trying desperately to find coverages that will aid Brooklyn's horrible defense against the 3-pointer. The Nets are the NBA's worst team at guarding 3-pointers, allowing opponents to shoot 41 percent from there.
"We have a lot of guys coming in, and we're asking a lot of them," Garnett said Thursday. "We have a new system. We're changing things on the fly. Jason is putting in a lot of new stuff since Lawrence left. And not only that, guys who usually aren't playing a lot of minutes and not having a lot of responsibility are playing big minutes, and asking a lot of those minutes. We don't have Kirilenko, we don't have Paul, we don't have Deron. We just got Brook back. Chemistry doesn't just snap where you waive the magic wand, and voila. Those things play a big part into this. I'm a firm believer that when we're whole, and we have our team full throttle, that's what I believe in."
The Nets, of course, point immediately to their injuries as a far bigger reason for their dreadful record than the rancor between their coach and his former assistant. Tyshawn Taylor, starting at the point for the injured Deron Williams, was supposed to be playing most of this season for the Nets' Development League team in Springfield.
Shaun Livingston was supposed to be playing around 10 minutes a night, not 24. (The Nets had to put him back on the bench instead of starting, for fear that his surgically-repaired knee wasn't supposed to be taking this kind of pounding this early.) Pierce broke his hand. Andrei Kirilenko, who was going to have a major role this season, hasn't been himself most of the season with a bad back. Brook Lopez, the team's best player, has been in and out of the lineup with a sprained ankle.
But Lopez didn't hide behind the injuries, saying the chemistry the team has should compensate for lost players -- and this season is even more bizarre than the one where the Nets went 12-70 early in his career.
And the Nets remain behind Kidd, believing the rest of their assistants are more than capable enough of giving him a hand. Prunty worked for Gregg Popovich and is the head coach of Great Britain's Olympic team. John Welch was a trusted lieutenant for former Nuggets coach George Karl in Denver.
"It's not like these guys are novices, like Lawrence is the only one that can give knowledge to Jason," one source said.
But you wonder how Kidd can grow.
I asked him after Thursday's rout how he evaluates himself.
"Well, I think you get evaluated by being whole," he said. "It starts there. And once that occurs, then you're evaluated. And that's as simple as it gets. When you look at the guys, the guys are doing everything. But we have to protect the 3-point line and we have to rebound. Those are the two areas that's hurt us all season."
I am not sure he answered the question. It is not the only question that remains unanswered along Atlantic Avenue.

http://www.nba.com/2013/news/features/david_aldridge/12/09/morning-tip-troubles-with-eastern-conference-fallout-from-jason-kidd-and-lawrence-frank-kobe-bryants-return-andre-drummond-qa/index.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 10, 2013, 12:20:35 PM
Dirk's PER is at 23.80, slightly above his career average. Carter's PER is at 12.7, a career low (why does he get so much fucking PT). Both players were drafted in the same year!

98 draft class:
1    LAC    Michael Olowokandi: Retired
2    VAN    Mike Bibby: Retired
3    DEN    Raef LaFrentz: Retired
4    TOR    Antawn Jamison: 8.1 PER
5    GSW    Vince Carter: 12.7 PER
6    DAL    Robert Traylor: Dead
7    SAC    Jason Williams: Retired
8    PHI    Larry Hughes: Retired
9    MIL    Dirk Nowitzki: Ballin' Übermensch
10    BOS    Paul Pierce: 12.3 PER
11    DET    Bonzi Wells: Retired
12    ORL    Michael Doleac: Retired
13    ORL    Keon Clark: Retired to a prison cell.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 10, 2013, 02:54:22 PM
Vince is terrible. He's doing the old man game thing and it's sad. Dirk will be valuable for years to come due to his size and skill set. At the end of his career, he can still do the Sam Perkins role.

Also, just for you:

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pacers versus Heat tonight. NBA TV)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 10, 2013, 07:07:40 PM
http://firstrowus1.eu/watch/226754/2/watch-indiana-pacers-vs-miami-heat.html

Stream for Pacers Heat if you don't have NBA TV.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pacers versus Heat tonight. NBA TV)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 10, 2013, 07:20:13 PM
That was a great spin by Lebron but even better recovery by Paul George

Too bad, it looked like LeBron was gonna do something spectacular
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pacers versus Heat tonight. NBA TV)
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 10, 2013, 07:25:12 PM
Heat has ridiculously bad interior D

3peat gonna be hard without trading for a decent big
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pacers versus Heat tonight. NBA TV)
Post by: benjipwns on December 10, 2013, 08:02:00 PM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/friends-family-say-derrick-rose-hasnt-said-single,34793/
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CHICAGO—Close friends and family confirmed Tuesday that Bulls point guard Derrick Rose has remained completely silent for the past 17 days, failing to utter one word since learning that the torn meniscus in his right knee will cause him to miss a second consecutive season. “Derrick just sits there; he hasn’t even moved,” said Rose’s friend Andre Hamlin, adding that the three-time All-Star spends most of the day on the couch staring at the ceiling. “Yesterday he inhaled deeply like he was about to say something, but then he just sighed and changed the TV channel he was watching.” Rose’s mother, Brenda, reportedly visited over the weekend and told her pajama-wearing son to remain positive in the face of adversity—an encouragement sources said the 2011 NBA MVP responded to with a shrug.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pacers versus Heat tonight. NBA TV)
Post by: benjipwns on December 10, 2013, 08:26:26 PM
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pacers versus Heat tonight. NBA TV)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 11, 2013, 01:08:12 AM
Nice win for the Pacers. I kinda just wish we could just skip ahead to the conference finals.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2013, 01:26:39 AM
NBA seasons should be 62 games at the most; 82 is ridiculous. These games don't matter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 11, 2013, 03:47:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQu_T6-tBZk
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 11, 2013, 07:36:04 PM
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/10115418/mike-dantoni-proud-los-angeles-lakers-efforts-kobe-bryant-return

:shaq
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 11, 2013, 09:33:17 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/QlTmZMC.jpg)

 :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 11, 2013, 09:42:56 PM
dat clipper broadcast

Kings fans are really excited for Rudy Gay. I think that explains how bad things have been here.

Now for a future clip on Shaqtin A Fool.

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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 12, 2013, 12:20:58 PM
I see your Jordan fail and raise you a Stat fail

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stat pls
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 12, 2013, 01:30:48 PM
jesus christ
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on December 12, 2013, 08:57:18 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 12, 2013, 09:23:34 PM
the knicks are also apparently gonna trade away a first rounder for Kyle Lowry

DOLAN WTF

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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 12, 2013, 09:36:24 PM
remember jeremy lin?

fuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on December 12, 2013, 09:42:28 PM
We have first rounders left?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 12, 2013, 10:06:55 PM
What's the "Dolan Rule" going to be?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 13, 2013, 12:43:22 AM
That Howard and Parsons staredown was hilarious.  Hope someone gifs it. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 13, 2013, 01:19:48 AM
Watched the final 8 minutes of the Houston/Portland game. Dwight Howard was whipping out some post moves  :leon
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 13, 2013, 01:23:17 AM
But Robin Lopez basically played Dwight even if you consider efficiency and touches. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 13, 2013, 05:11:18 AM
I love that Ujiri tried to use the Nets as leverage against the Knicks again.  :lol
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Knicks owner Jim Dolan is sensitive to the public perception that Toronto general manger Masai Ujiri bamboozled New York in the Carmelo Anthony trade, and the chance of getting panned for giving up too much in a deal for Lowry has become a hurdle in these talks, league sources told Yahoo Sports.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 13, 2013, 11:56:19 AM
Local radio is saying the Cav's are trying to move Waiters and Varejo to Houston....wtf would we get back? I don't want Asik and his pouting ass nor do I want anybody else on that roster.


Move a draft pick and Varejo for Deng already, assholes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 13, 2013, 11:59:23 AM
Quote from: etiolate on December 10, 2013, 02:54:22 PM
Vince is terrible. He's doing the old man game thing and it's sad. Dirk will be valuable for years to come due to his size and skill set. At the end of his career, he can still do the Sam Perkins role.

Also, just for you:

It's so sad to see Vince trying to hold on....time to let it go man, you were great.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 13, 2013, 12:45:21 PM
Hmm.  Sideshow Bob is not having a good season, certainly not at the efficiency he was at last year.  Trading him for Asik is a good pick up I think, although I don't know if I'd want him starting alongside Bynum.  Maybe you can get Brewer?  Montejunas?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 13, 2013, 12:45:22 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 13, 2013, 01:19:48 AM
Watched the final 8 minutes of the Houston/Portland game. Dwight Howard was whipping out some post moves  :leon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdvPkQma-CE
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 13, 2013, 12:56:06 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on December 13, 2013, 12:45:21 PM
Hmm.  Sideshow Bob is not having a good season, certainly not at the efficiency he was at last year.  Trading him for Asik is a good pick up I think, although I don't know if I'd want him starting alongside Bynum.  Maybe you can get Brewer?  Montejunas?

I know most people are going to disagree with this but I really think Kyrie's ego has gone stellar and he's hurting this team. I grow tired of wasting 160 dollars a game in tickets to see him dribble the ball for 20 seconds then chuck up leaning jumpshots while Bynum is standing is the post being guarded by a power forward pretending to be a center in the east.

It's no secret every issue, both internally and on the court, has to do with Kyrie. He needs to grow the fuck up and stop acting like my 6 year old.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 13, 2013, 01:21:26 PM
Personally, I don't see why Houston would make that deal. Asik should be worth more than that and he's a nice insurance policy in case Dwight goes down (and he probably will).
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 13, 2013, 01:36:53 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on December 13, 2013, 01:21:26 PM
Personally, I don't see why Houston would make that deal. Asik should be worth more than that and he's a nice insurance policy in case Dwight goes down (and he probably will).

Are you fucking crazy? Asik needs to go. At this point they'd probably trade him for the rights to the 5th best player on the Cuban national team if they could.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on December 13, 2013, 02:44:05 PM
No, he's not "fucking crazy."  Asik's a very, very good interior defender and Houston clearly expects value in return.  If anything, they've been asking for too much.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 13, 2013, 02:46:24 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 13, 2013, 02:44:05 PM
No, he's not "fucking crazy."  Asik's a very, very good interior defender and Houston clearly expects value in return.  If anything, they've been asking for too much.

It's not a talent thing, it's a team thing. No way I'd want that cancer anywhere near the Cav's. Why? Because hurt Bynum is still a better player than him and I don't want a sulking asshole on my bench.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on December 13, 2013, 02:48:22 PM
That's fine, but you're not running the Rockets.


edit: Though if we're talking about how important it is to keep sulking assholes off your team, surely that has to be held against Bynum as well?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 13, 2013, 02:51:08 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 13, 2013, 02:48:22 PM
That's fine, but you're not running the Rockets.


edit: Though if we're talking about how important it is to keep sulking assholes off your team, surely that has to be held against Bynum as well?

So far he's doing okay. I think Andrew knows this is truly his last shot. If anything Kyrie is the douche right now....but at some point even I have to admit Talent>Attitude


Edit: I sit 2 rows from the court behind the Cav's bench....I actually heard Bynum say "I need to do more Mike, I'll be more aggressive" during a game. I about passed out. In addition I heard Andrew tell Kyrie to "act like a star" about 100 times this season.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 13, 2013, 08:51:25 PM
Quote
Heat Fans Growing Frustrated With Team’s Lack Of NBA Titles Since June
SPORTS NEWS • Sports • NBA Basketball • ISSUE 49•50 • Dec 13, 2013


MIAMI—Saying that the organization must make some serious changes in order to do justice to its impassioned fan base, supporters of the Miami Heat told reporters Friday that they are becoming increasingly frustrated with the team’s failure to win a single championship since June.

“For this team to have gone a full six months without a victory in the NBA Finals is simply unacceptable,” said self-proclaimed Heat diehard Liam Sikes, noting that the team has played close to a dozen games this season without having won it all even once. “What’s it going to take for these guys to wake up and return the hardware to Miami where it belongs? A title drought like this one is just plain embarrassing.”

“We deserve better,” Sikes added.

The team’s attentive, devoted, and well-informed fans, who characterized the Heat’s recent failures as the most shameful in the franchise’s illustrious 70-year history, complained that the organization had lost the winning spirit that made its memorable 2010 championship run possible. Many of these same fans ascribed the team’s decline to a lack of motivation, noting that it took the Heat until October to even play their first game this season.

Others reportedly condemned the leadership shortcomings of head coach Derek Spoelstra.

However, a faction of Heat supporters placed the blame on the team’s current roster, suggesting that perhaps a personnel upgrade is needed to give the team a chance at winning a third title.

“We need to sign LeBron,” said Miami resident Omar Santos, noting that current starters Shaquille O’Neal, Antoine Walker, and Pat Riley “aren’t getting the job done.” “Or if we can’t get LeBron, we should at least try to land a solid power center that can play a full 60 minutes every night. These nobodies they’ve got right now just aren’t cutting it.”

“Everyone’s going to have to bear down and make some serious baskets if they want to win another cup,” Santos continued.

While some Heat fans suggested that the team could perhaps regain some of its former glory were it to build a new stadium, all were adamant that nothing short of a championship victory would suffice, indicating that the team would have to win at least one title within the next few weeks in order to keep their supporters interested.

“We cheer their names, buy their jerseys, and take photos of ourselves at the games, and for what?” said Heat season ticket holder Isaiah Stroud, noting that the two periods he watched of the team’s Tuesday non-title-winning matchup against the Atlanta Pacers were “disgraceful.” “If they want to keep us around, they’re going to have to show us another NDA Championship. It’s just that simple.”

“You know, if this keeps up, I’ll start following the Orlando Magic, just you watch,” Stroud continued. “Now there’s a team that cares about winning.”

 :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 13, 2013, 09:18:45 PM
Imagine Dwight Howard in like 10 years, when he has 11 kids out of wedlock and is paying child support out the ass. Better take some broadcasting classes now, breh.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 13, 2013, 10:29:22 PM
if they were in the east they'd be a 5 seed
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 14, 2013, 12:31:32 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtykEHPRO1Q

Random post of something worth watching.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 14, 2013, 01:14:56 AM
Watched some Pistons. Josh Smith, 3-13 from the field. Why anyone would pay this guy to play on the perimeter is beyond me. But hey, that's Joe Dumars for you.

I'd trade Greg Monroe and move Smith to the 4; I'd rather trade Smith but who would trade anything for him?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 14, 2013, 01:20:02 AM
http://regressing.deadspin.com/josh-smith-and-the-deeply-constipated-offense-of-the-de-1481488296
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 14, 2013, 01:33:58 AM
Quote from: Pau Gasol
"The fact that I'm not getting the ball in the post affects directly my aggressiveness," he said. "When I'm not getting the ball where I want to, where I'm most effective, where I can bang guys and utilize my skill, that affects my aggressiveness and overall intensity.

"This year hasn't been ideal, certain things are not ideal for me, but that's not going to change any time soon."

Quote from: D'Antoni
"It's also a nice excuse not to play hard," D'Antoni said. "That's a classic, 'I don't know what I'm supposed to do.' Well, you don't have trouble getting up to the paystub line. You know what you need to do to get your check. You know what to do. They will. They'll figure it out.

"That's one thing. They don't want to do it that way. I understand that. That's when you have to accept it or not. But there's no reason not to play hard."

Now there's a good player/coach relationship!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 14, 2013, 01:41:02 AM
https://twitter.com/hoya2apacer/status/411701550294118401
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 14, 2013, 02:31:56 AM
The East is truly amazing. Every team is only a 3 game winning streak away from being a "playoff contender".
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 14, 2013, 02:44:23 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on December 14, 2013, 02:31:56 AM
The East is truly amazing. Every team is only a 3 game winning streak away from being a "playoff contender".

You by chance a Cav's fan? I heard the word playoffs about 20 times during the broadcast today.....we're fucking 9-13.....
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 14, 2013, 01:50:22 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on December 14, 2013, 01:41:02 AM
https://twitter.com/hoya2apacer/status/411701550294118401

 :leon

He got long ass balls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmHf_1kqJc0
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 14, 2013, 08:59:51 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 14, 2013, 02:44:23 AM
You by chance a Cav's fan? I heard the word playoffs about 20 times during the broadcast today.....we're fucking 9-13.....

I watch all Cleveland sports, but the only team I consider myself 'a fan' of are the Indians.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 14, 2013, 10:14:53 PM
Cody Zeller looked garbage against the Lakers.

His play is basically why Lakers won.  Dude couldn't make a layup, couldn't hold on to rebounds and gave up a bunch of putbacks.  He showed no glimpses of why he deserved to be drafted so high.  Looks like another MJ bust.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 14, 2013, 10:25:06 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 14, 2013, 12:31:32 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtykEHPRO1Q

Random post of something worth watching.

seconding this as really great. watched it a couple of weeks ago on Netflix.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 15, 2013, 09:03:38 PM
That Bird-Magic docu is enjoyable. I will third the recommendation.


I found it really weird that the Rockets let Harden come back into the game against the Kings. He twisted/rolled his ankle pretty bad in the middle of the game. You could hear him scream when it happened. He limped off to the locker room and I thought he was done. Then he came back into the game and played at... like 50% of his regular game. He couldn't drive and couldn't cover anyone. He limped around, sat outside and bricked threes. The game wasn't important to the Rockets and they weren't playing well enough to win. I just don't understand why you risk him making his ankle any worse. It was just a really pointless decision.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 15, 2013, 09:06:34 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on December 14, 2013, 10:14:53 PM
Cody Zeller looked garbage against the Lakers.

His play is basically why Lakers won.  Dude couldn't make a layup, couldn't hold on to rebounds and gave up a bunch of putbacks.  He showed no glimpses of why he deserved to be drafted so high.  Looks like another MJ bust.

Told you guys MJ would draft him, and that he's a bust. Can't create his own shot, no post game or strength, not a bad shooter but it's harder to execute in the NBA.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 15, 2013, 09:17:13 PM
Quote
Los Angeles Lakers superstar shooting guard Kobe Bryant just returned to action, but that hasn't stopped the team from inquiring about other backcourt players.

The Lakers recently called the Knicks to express their interest in Iman Shumpert, according to sources close to the situation.

The Lakers are one of several teams to check in on Knicks shooting guard Iman Shumpert, sources said.
No trade is imminent, and sources say the Lakers' call was more about doing their due diligence; it's well-known Shumpert is available. The Lakers are unlikely to make a deal before the end of their current four-game trip, which concludes Tuesday night in Memphis.

But with Steve Blake, who is expected to miss at least six weeks with an elbow injury, joining point guards Steve Nash and Jordan Farmar on the injured list, the Lakers could be interested in strengthening their backcourt.

Shumpert is more of a shooting guard, but with Bryant taking on more of a playmaking role -- averaging a career-high 6.7 assists while attempting fewer than nine shots a game -- since returning from a torn Achilles tendon last Sunday, it's easy to see the two playing together.

Shumpert is struggling through a disappointing season, and the Knicks have discussed trades involving him with several other teams, including the Denver Nuggets and Toronto Raptors.

Sources say the Lakers also are interested in another Knicks player -- center Tyson Chandler. The Lakers did not inquire about Chandler when they called about Shumpert, but they are weighing whether to propose a Pau Gasol-for-Chandler trade, according to sources.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 16, 2013, 06:21:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WmzfWt6ccQ
 :sabu
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 17, 2013, 12:07:48 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTBbj-0y5e4
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dem Knicks)
Post by: etiolate on December 17, 2013, 02:40:40 AM
That ending tells me Woodson is going to get fired. I don't know what they replace him with. The roster doesn't seem functional to me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dem Knicks)
Post by: pilonv1 on December 17, 2013, 04:29:01 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P06gtSjmFy8

:dead

...

:bawl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dem Knicks)
Post by: benjipwns on December 17, 2013, 09:28:48 PM
Quote
Hollinger on Z-Bo rumor in The Bleacher Report: "It's not one of the leading news organizations out in the sports world, let's just say."
:mynicca
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dem Knicks)
Post by: etiolate on December 17, 2013, 10:38:36 PM
How's that GM work going for you Hollinger? Lose a good coach? Fall out of contention?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dem Knicks)
Post by: Mandark on December 17, 2013, 11:10:24 PM
What, did he write something bad about the Kings back in the day you haven't forgotten?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dem Knicks)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 17, 2013, 11:14:55 PM
incoming Am_I_Anonymous rant about nerdy white boys and their statistics having no place in a man's game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dem Knicks)
Post by: etiolate on December 17, 2013, 11:23:45 PM
 :umad
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dem Knicks)
Post by: Mandark on December 17, 2013, 11:26:37 PM
okay
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dem Knicks)
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 18, 2013, 01:25:41 AM
First Cavs game I missed watching and it was the best one of the year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat versus Pacers tonight. ESPN)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 18, 2013, 11:03:58 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ziomjNCPNc
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat versus Pacers tonight. ESPN)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 18, 2013, 07:57:45 PM
Stream for the Pacers/Heat if for some reason you don't have ESPN.

http://firstrowus1.eu/watch/228259/2/watch-miami-heat-vs-indiana-pacers.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat versus Pacers tonight. ESPN)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 18, 2013, 09:29:28 PM
Playoff type basketball game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat versus Pacers tonight. ESPN)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 18, 2013, 09:33:56 PM
Terrific back to back threes from Bosh and Allen.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat versus Pacers tonight. ESPN)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 18, 2013, 09:35:16 PM
Lebron da goat
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat versus Pacers tonight. ESPN)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 18, 2013, 09:37:17 PM
lol wtf birdman
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat versus Pacers tonight. ESPN)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 18, 2013, 09:40:57 PM
Terrible pacers possession.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat versus Pacers tonight. ESPN)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 18, 2013, 09:42:21 PM
Miami comes back and wins it.

This is the Eastern conference finals. Time Machine forward to it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat versus Pacers tonight. ESPN)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 18, 2013, 09:42:45 PM
Looked like Lebron definitely fouled Geroge there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2013, 01:00:12 AM
(https://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/828323404.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 19, 2013, 10:41:14 AM
Hopefully the Heat and the Pacers don't fall apart with injuries. They're our only hope of a compelling ECF series.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 19, 2013, 10:43:34 AM
(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/199vu83m9uy34gif/ku-xlarge.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 19, 2013, 11:00:20 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaZZLH1y_to

dem knicks


(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/199u7ujt627gfgif/ku-medium.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 19, 2013, 01:52:18 PM
No fucking shit.  And I hope the Lakers make the 8 seed so they don't get shit for picks next year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 19, 2013, 02:21:30 PM
Quote
Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account
‏@WojYahooNBA
Houston has ended talks on an Omer Asik trade and plan to keep him for now, league source tells Yahoo Sports.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on December 19, 2013, 02:41:04 PM
So nobody met the reserve price on the auction.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on December 19, 2013, 05:22:50 PM
Kobe :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 19, 2013, 07:42:19 PM
BUT THE CONTRACT ISN'T ABOUT HIS PLAY BUT HOW KOBE BUILT THE LAKERS AND HE MEANS EVERYTHING TO THE LAKERS AND THERE WAS NEVER WAS A LAKERS BEFORE KOBE WAS LAKERS
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2013, 07:48:07 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/VsXCfl2.png)
 :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2013, 08:02:43 PM
(http://i.minus.com/iGNkIZfwDjvOe.gif)
 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on December 19, 2013, 08:13:47 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on December 19, 2013, 08:02:43 PM
(http://i.minus.com/iGNkIZfwDjvOe.gif)
 :dead
"He told them he believes they have enough talent to win it all," one source said, "and he expects it to happen this year."
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 19, 2013, 08:16:11 PM
I've watch that play loop 8 times now, it keeps getting better every time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 19, 2013, 08:36:12 PM
god, the knicks are just the worst
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on December 19, 2013, 09:42:40 PM
(http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/828342580.gif?1387425710)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 20, 2013, 12:23:56 AM
Sorry to see Kobe go down again. Even though I'm not the biggest Kobe fan its sad to see a great player kind of break down.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 20, 2013, 01:53:10 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on December 19, 2013, 05:34:28 PM
Damn. Now that $48m contract extension looks even more stupid.

(http://i1167.photobucket.com/albums/q625/ThugDaGod/Respectdadambjinx_zps2a5c2e71.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 20, 2013, 08:24:41 PM
Jimmer cannot play at the NBA level yet.

In his third year.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on December 20, 2013, 08:31:17 PM
He's not even close to the JJ Redick career trajectory :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 20, 2013, 08:57:46 PM
There's very little point in drafting these white hype college dudes who can't create their own shot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 20, 2013, 09:03:27 PM
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/media/2.0/teamsites/heat/images/131220-jamesdunk.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 20, 2013, 10:31:06 PM
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/51ee5f44108e6647d2342b2480983e00/tumblr_my4wwvtCk81ruj0bpo1_1280.jpg)

:lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2013, 10:32:02 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 20, 2013, 09:03:27 PM
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/media/2.0/teamsites/heat/images/131220-jamesdunk.gif)
r.i.p. in peace ben mclemore
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 20, 2013, 10:41:11 PM
honestly though, lebron shouldve been called for the charge there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2013, 11:26:39 PM
(http://i.minus.com/ibnbBZVlYCvsZI.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 21, 2013, 08:39:19 PM
San Antonio at OKC tonight.

http://firstrowus1.eu/watch/228875/4/watch-san-antonio-spurs-vs-oklahoma-city-thunder.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 21, 2013, 09:33:22 PM
I think this entire Magic/Kings game may end up on Shaqtin a Fool.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 21, 2013, 09:37:38 PM
Brook Lopez  :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 21, 2013, 09:56:42 PM
https://twitter.com/bobcats/status/414570294603300864/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/bobcats/status/414570294603300864/photo/1)

YES

YESSSS

THAT FUCKING SMIRK
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 21, 2013, 09:59:32 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/OvGA9IS.png)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP2Gq34f6zU
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on December 21, 2013, 10:01:32 PM
so good
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 21, 2013, 10:07:10 PM
http://thebuzzinthecity.tumblr.com/post/70744755194/he-put-a-ring-on-it-finally-congrats-to
 :noah
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 21, 2013, 11:29:05 PM
suns are gud

(http://i.imgur.com/Coqr3Ik.jpg)
Title: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on December 22, 2013, 05:11:05 AM
Jeffery Taylor hit by the Swedish Curse :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 22, 2013, 08:09:01 AM
There's a good chance that half of the Christmas day games will be blow outs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on December 22, 2013, 11:30:27 AM
(http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/828917937.gif?1387686867)

Anyone saw this game? Did the basket count?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 22, 2013, 12:10:18 PM
I think they called a foul before the shout
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on December 22, 2013, 07:01:36 PM
Ok. I don't watch the Clips often. Surprised to see that Griffin has any type of handle at all.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 22, 2013, 07:53:24 PM
Griffin actually dribbles very well when he's moving forward.  Not so great when he's standing in one spot.  Probably cuz it's not in rhythm. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 22, 2013, 10:28:49 PM
He's had pretty good small forward skills. He's been using spins for awhile, but they're under better control right now. He used to spin into offensive fouls and turnovers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 22, 2013, 10:31:57 PM
Quote from: etiolate on December 22, 2013, 10:28:49 PM
He's had pretty good small forward skills. He's been using spins for awhile, but they're under better control right now. He used to spin into offensive fouls and turnovers.

LOL, I'm sorry but did you just say that Blake Griffin has the skills to play at the 3? C'mon now bro, put down the pipe.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 22, 2013, 10:39:35 PM
 :comeon
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 22, 2013, 10:39:51 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on December 20, 2013, 10:31:06 PM
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/51ee5f44108e6647d2342b2480983e00/tumblr_my4wwvtCk81ruj0bpo1_1280.jpg)

:lawd

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi_q77GOnZg
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 23, 2013, 02:57:53 PM
Quote from: etiolate on December 22, 2013, 08:09:01 AM
There's a good chance that half of the Christmas day games will be blow outs.

Wow what an awful slate of games. I just bothered to check the schedule and its terrible. I think they should wait a bit to schedule those xmas games so it doesn't end up being a pile of crap.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 23, 2013, 08:10:56 PM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zXzVOVhIlBI/UreSxpMwjRI/AAAAAAAAAkU/neoAMHX0FiY/s400/l22.gif)

 :whoo
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on December 23, 2013, 09:53:29 PM
 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 24, 2013, 02:15:30 AM
that draft wheel proposal is distinguished mentally-challenged
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 25, 2013, 07:13:06 PM
I'll just go ahead and say it.I think the Lakers play better ball without Kobe at this point. They at least run an offense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 26, 2013, 01:24:47 AM
Feisty game tonight between clippers and warriors.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 26, 2013, 12:54:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCwHRCS3_mc
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 27, 2013, 12:49:35 AM
Quote
As far as Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban is concerned, the NBA committed a major fashion faux pas by having all 10 teams that played on Christmas Day suited up in short-sleeve jerseys.

"Hated them," Cuban said before the Mavs hosted the San Antonio Spurs on Thursday night. "I just thought it made our guys look more like a high school wrestling team or a college wrestling team."

Cuban, whose Mavs had Christmas off, understands the NBA is attempting to market the short-sleeve jerseys to fans who might not want to wear tank tops. He just doesn't believe it's necessary for superstars such as LeBron James and Kevin Durant to wear the T-shirt-style jerseys in game action to get them to sell.

"I could have thought of better ways to sell [the short-sleeved jerseys] and a lot of different ways by having them in a casual wear situation," Cuban said. "We would have been better off, if we want people to wear them casually, to get the trainers and everybody else to wear them to show them in a realistic setting. So I would have done it a little differently, but we'll see what happens."

Cuban said he thinks the short-sleeve jerseys still will sell, but he thinks a lot of fans will be turned off by the tight fit. He anticipates that people will buy the jerseys a few sizes larger than normal so they'll be baggy.

"I think the people that will buy them are more the jersey heads and the people who are trying to be hip and cool as opposed to the mainstream fan who just wants something to wear to work or something to wear to school," Cuban said. "I don't think schools are going to be happy if 16-year-old boys come in wearing skin-tight gym wrestling gear. My opinion, they'll sell, but we could have sold more.

"You live and you learn. That's just my opinion. Maybe I'll be wrong. Maybe they'll sell like gangbusters in China."

Of course, Cuban was the mastermind behind some of the ugliest jerseys in NBA history. The Mavs wore shiny silver jerseys that looked brown when they got wet with sweat during the 2003-04 season opener. They never wore those jerseys again.

"They looked like wet garbage bags," Cuban said, "but I took them off the market after one game."

 :bow2

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on December 27, 2013, 01:16:56 AM
Wow, CP3.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 27, 2013, 12:33:48 PM
Quote
What’s interesting is how quickly the two moved in their relationship. Hayward didn’t make his first appearance on Van Vliet’s Instagram account until late July, which is around the time it looks like they met. You may recall that Hayward used to be with ex-girlfriend Kolbi Killingback, who attended the NBA draft with him. Hayward and Killingback began dating in high school, and Killingback, who is two years younger, was in high school at the time of the draft. The two dated for five years and broke up this summer.

There is an even greater age gap between Hayward and Van Vliet than there was between him and Killingback. Van Vliet just graduated high school in the spring, and it looks like she played volleyball at Bishop Chatard High School in Indianapolis. She is currently in her first year of beauty school, according to her Facebook page. Hayward is 23 and in his fourth season in the NBA. He also grew up in Indianapolis and went to high school and college in the area.
http://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/gordon-hayward-engaged-girlfriend-robyn-van-vliet/214732
:leon

I remember when Hayword attended a major StarCraft 2 tournament and was interviewed, used in skits, and treated like a celebrity.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 27, 2013, 06:15:13 PM
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Russell Westbrook underwent scope surgery on his knee today to address recent swelling. He's expected back post All-Star break. More coming.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/thunder/2013/12/27/russell-westbrook-knee-injury-surgery-oklahoma-city/4223005/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook out until at least February)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 27, 2013, 07:40:23 PM
god fucking dammit
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook out until at least February)
Post by: etiolate on December 28, 2013, 01:10:22 AM
SAC TOWN
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook out until at least February)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 28, 2013, 12:17:59 PM
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The Cleveland Cavaliers suspended center Andrew Bynum indefinitely Saturday for conduct detrimental to the team.


In addition, the Cavs will begin aggressively looking to trade Bynum, sources told ESPN.com.

The team has until Jan. 7 to decide if it will guarantee his contract for the rest of the season. Bynum signed a two-year, $24 million deal with the Cavs last summer but the team-friendly contract was only $6 million guaranteed.

Bynum did not travel with the team to Boston for Saturday's game. The decision to suspend Bynum was made Friday, sources said. It was unclear what led to the suspension.

After missing all of last season with knee injuries, Bynum has returned to play in 24 games (19 starts) and average 8.6 points and 5.3 rebounds. He's shooting just 42 percent from the floor.

Bynum has admitted on several occasions that he's struggled mentally with learning to play with less mobility and in pain with his knees.

Because of his flexible contract and that he's proven he can play again, Bynum could have some suitors in the trade market.

Yep.


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‏@WojYahooNBA
About Bynum suspension, league source tells Yahoo: "He doesn't want to play basketball anymore. He never liked it that much in first place."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook out until at least February)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 28, 2013, 02:41:21 PM
His career will make quite a good 30 For 30 episode in a couple decades.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook out until at least February)
Post by: etiolate on December 28, 2013, 02:44:49 PM
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_-mlhIzm6B8s/TDYGH74OPaI/AAAAAAAAEGA/ByNxKIK6NNQ/s1600/cousins-twitter.JPG)

Boogie ball don't lie.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook out until at least February)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 28, 2013, 02:51:52 PM
The sad thing is I actually like his game when he is healthy.


(http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/visual/whatshot/bynumsmokeagif_1.gif)

But the whole Philly thing and how he handled that was probably one of the worst things I've seen in recent sports memory.

Bill Simmons claims he wants to go to the Heat or Clips but I don't really take anything seriously Bill says.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook out until at least February)
Post by: etiolate on December 28, 2013, 03:19:55 PM
Simmons has fully merged his fantasy world into his real world proposals so that he's reporting rumors based on his own whatifs. It doesn't help that websites repeat the rumors. (Like the Rondo Kings trade.)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook out until at least February)
Post by: etiolate on December 28, 2013, 06:54:19 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTR6en51kv4
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook out until at least February)
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 28, 2013, 09:59:39 PM
Bynum showed flashes of being a legit player offensively, but he rarely ever played defense or even pretended to want to.  I don't know why/how a playoff team would even want to take him on.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook out until at least February)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 28, 2013, 10:06:17 PM
I think the argument would be that for a top caliber playoff team all you are asking for is maybe 10 minutes of sustained play. For a team like the Cavs to be decent you would need a lot more out of him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook out until at least February)
Post by: Mandark on December 28, 2013, 10:36:44 PM
Plus teams like Miami might expect to get more out of a player, since they've already got the structure in place and have the incentive of a possible championship run, the way that the Patriots have sometimes gotten better effort from "problem" players in the past.  Not saying it would happen, but I'd expect it to factor into their thinking, as it probably did with bringing back Beasley.

Plus, Bynum's seven feet tall and not dead.  How many chances did Tskitishvili get back in the day?  Hasheem Thabeet?  Bynum has (limited) time as an actual good NBA player on his cv, which gives him a leg up on those guys.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook out until at least February)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 29, 2013, 03:07:53 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_Dip5JL3cI
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook out until at least February)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 29, 2013, 03:09:19 AM
Like a fucking Bosh :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook out until at least February)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 29, 2013, 03:11:55 AM
Wish I had watched that game instead of watching a human leg break in half.

 :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook out until at least February)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 29, 2013, 03:41:22 AM
James would have passed in that situation
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 29, 2013, 10:19:08 PM
Cousins is beasting. He'll probably still end up the biggest omission from the all-star game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 30, 2013, 08:11:42 PM
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/kobe-is-the-greatest-teammate-of-all-time-undeniable-evidence-inside.177301/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Smooth Groove on December 30, 2013, 09:10:37 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/10218817/dwyane-wade-miami-heat-fathers-child-not-fiancee-gabrielle-union?ex_cid=espnapi_public

No wonder Gabby's ring was so big
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 30, 2013, 10:40:25 PM
I'll never understand people's flippant attitude towards bringing new life into the world. I know that comes off like an old out of touch person but its just a pet peeve of mine. It's not like he's a crazy ignorant kid at this stage or something.

At least he can afford it I suppose.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 31, 2013, 01:55:09 PM
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The Los Angeles Lakers and Cleveland Cavaliers have had discussions about a trade that would involve Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum, league sources told ESPN.com.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10220178/los-angeles-lakers-cleveland-cavaliers-talk-pau-gasol-andrew-bynum-trade
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 31, 2013, 04:53:45 PM
Too funny not to be true.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 31, 2013, 06:48:26 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/MJS92eF.png)
:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 31, 2013, 11:32:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5vPfE47ivQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 01, 2014, 09:07:02 PM
http://deadspin.com/david-lee-bodied-by-big-dick-baby-1492660349

:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 01, 2014, 10:55:14 PM
we heard you the first five times, shinobi
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 01, 2014, 11:35:45 PM
The Raptors are 8-3 since trading Rudy Gay and they beat the Pacers tonight.

 :mynicca
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on January 01, 2014, 11:43:51 PM
Stat nerds win again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 02, 2014, 12:00:31 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on January 01, 2014, 11:26:03 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 01, 2014, 10:55:14 PM
we heard you the first five times, shinobi

And it's only gotten more depressing as more time has elapsed.

Dude should AT LEAST tweak something by the All Star Break. I'd settle for a back re-aggravation.

wow

Laker fans still asking Dwight to emulate Kobe
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 02, 2014, 01:30:38 AM
Quote from: etiolate on January 02, 2014, 12:00:31 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on January 01, 2014, 11:26:03 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 01, 2014, 10:55:14 PM
we heard you the first five times, shinobi

And it's only gotten more depressing as more time has elapsed.

Dude should AT LEAST tweak something by the All Star Break. I'd settle for a back re-aggravation.

wow

Laker fans still asking Dwight to emulate Kobe

 :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 02, 2014, 10:42:08 PM
Bellinelli having a career game tonight against the Knicks.  5/6 beyond the arc, 29 points
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on January 02, 2014, 11:31:27 PM
Curry and Lee danced all over the Heat.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on January 03, 2014, 04:16:06 AM
#FullSquad is unbeatable
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 03, 2014, 11:32:07 AM
On a night when defensive effort is lacking Miami is always very susceptible to teams who shoot a lot of three's.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 03, 2014, 06:40:57 PM
Speaking of lots of threes...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjrAc0yvguI
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 03, 2014, 06:42:28 PM
http://instagram.com/p/irmfcHvSuG/


 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 04, 2014, 03:41:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSFDgrEYFXw
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 05, 2014, 12:42:29 AM
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After several days of stalled talks, the Los Angeles Lakers and Cleveland Cavaliers made progress Saturday on a trade that would involve Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum, sources told ESPN.com.
The Cavaliers want to execute a trade by Sunday so it can be completed ahead of Tuesday's deadline for Bynum's contract to become fully guaranteed, sources said. Trades need 48 hours to be finalized so players can have physicals.

The Cavs have been involved in talks with other teams looking to take advantage of Bynum's contract. The deal is for $12.3 million this season but if a team waives Bynum by Tuesday it will owe him nothing because the $6.3 million left on the contract is not guaranteed if he's released by that date.
On Friday, ESPN.com reported the Cavs have been in talks with the Jazz for veteran forward Richard Jefferson in a money-saving move for Utah. Cleveland also has considered keeping Bynum and using him as a trade asset before next month's trade deadline, sources said.
The injury-ravaged Lakers have been considering whether to execute a Gasol-for-Bynum trade because it would get them out of the luxury tax for the first time in seven years. More important than the $20 million in instant savings would be easing the pressure of going into the repeater tax in either 2015 or '16, sources said. If a team is in the luxury tax in four out of any five years, it triggers the repeater tax.
Sources say the Lakers, who broke a six-game losing streak with a victory against the Jazz on Friday night, also are seeking a package that would include a young player or a draft pick from the Cavs, which has been holding up the talks.
The Lakers internally have been debating whether they should trade Gasol, a four-time All-Star with the team, or wait for some of their players to get healthy with hopes of making a run in the second half of the season.
It appears these talks, which kicked into gear last weekend when the Cavs suspended Bynum for a game and put him on the trade block, could be headed for a resolution one way or the another on Sunday.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 05, 2014, 08:22:36 PM
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The Boston Celtics have reached an agreement with the Memphis Grizzlies to trade for veteran guard Jerryd Bayless, according to sources close to the process. Sources told ESPN.com that the Celtics, after pursuing him in previous seasons as well, are on the verge of acquiring Bayless for shooting guard Courtney Lee. A trade call with the league office, sources said, has been scheduled for Monday.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 06, 2014, 02:37:33 AM
Was looking at the last draft earlier after seeing how bad Otto Porter had been playing and realizing the first and third picks were both disasters so far. Then I realized I wasn't really seeing much from rookies in general outside of MCW and Steven Adams. (And a little Antetokounmpo.)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2013.html

And dear god. It's like 2/3rds of the first 20 picks are disasters. Maybe higher. Way too early obviously to make any long term judgement and there was plenty of "potential" thrown about like with Odalipo and Antetokounmpo, but ouch so far.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 06, 2014, 02:52:58 AM
Yea, that's why I kind of bristle when people shit on the Cavs pick. its not like they really missed on a franchise player. Sure, Oladipo  seemed like a surer thing, but there was no room for him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 06, 2014, 11:08:29 AM
Oladipo is playing well, and I've seen good thinks from McLemore whenever I torture myself with a Kings game here and there, but yeah, pretty awful draft class.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 07, 2014, 02:46:58 AM
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In a move that has the Cleveland Cavaliers thinking about the present and the Chicago Bulls thinking about the future, the two teams executed a major trade late Monday night. The Bulls are sending two-time All-Star Luol Deng to the Cavs for Andrew Bynum, three future draft picks and major salary savings.

The Cavs, looking to end a three-year playoff drought, are attempting to make a run by acquiring Deng to shore up the small forward position. They parlayed Bynum's favorable contract into a piece to put next to young guards Kyrie Irving and Dion Waiters.

Deng, 28, is averaging 19 points, 6.9 rebounds and 3.7 assists in 23 games. He's been bothered by an injured Achilles that caused him to miss nine games over the past six weeks. He has returned to play in the Bulls' last three games. The Cavs, who have lost eight of their past night games and have been missing Irving with a knee injury, are hoping Deng helps them turn things around.

"We have worked to acquire and maintain flexibility in order to capitalize on opportunities such as this," Cavs general manager Chris Grant said. " Luol reflects all that we are striving for in building our team. He's a tremendous defensive player that can impact the game on both ends of the court with a team-first mentality and is a high character leader."

Cleveland owner Dan Gilbert welcomed Deng via Twitter early Tuesday morning.

Welcome @LuolDeng9 to the Cleveland Cavaliers!

— Dan Gilbert (@cavsdan) January 7, 2014
The Bulls, who are facing a lost season after a bevy of injuries, including a season-ending knee injury to Derrick Rose, are focusing on the upcoming draft and next season. Chicago will waive Bynum by 5 p.m. Tuesday and clear his $12.3 million salary off their books. That will enable the Bulls to get below the luxury tax and, combined with the savings from not having to pay Deng the balance of his $14.3 million salary, will save the team in excess of $20 million.

Bynum is expected to clear waivers and become a free agent by the end of the week. Though he was suspended by the Cavs for one game for conduct detrimental to the team and excused from team activities, he is expected to be chased on the open market. The Los Angeles Clippers, Miami Heat and New York Knicks are among the teams expected to consider offering him a landing spot.

In addition to the savings, the Bulls got a future first-round draft pick owed to the Cavs by the Sacramento Kings from a 2011 trade for J.J. Hickson. The Bulls will get the Kings' pick if it falls outside the top 12 in 2014 or outside the top 10 picks in 2015, 2016 or 2017. The Bulls also got the 2015 and 2016 second-round picks the Portland Trail Blazers owed the Cavs. In a final piece, the Bulls will be able to swap draft positions with the Cavs in 2015 as long as the Cavs' draft pick is outside the top 14 picks.

The Bulls had said they wanted to keep Deng, who they drafted in 2004 and signed to a $71 million extension in 2008. But talks on a new contract for Deng, who is scheduled to be a free agent at the end of the season, had stalled and the savings and the draft considerations were enticing.

"We have great respect for Luol Deng as a player and a person," Bulls general manager Gar Forman said. "The moves made today will put us in a better position to make the entire roster stronger for the future and to compete for a championship."

In addition to their own draft pick, the Bulls also own the Charlotte Bobcats' 2014 first-round pick if it falls outside the top 10. They also own the rights to star Spanish forward Nikola Mirotic, who they hope to bring over to play next season.

Last summer, the Cavs had more than $15 million in salary cap room left after they failed to trade for the Lakers' Pau Gasol. They took a measured risk on Bynum, who missed all of the 2012-13 season with knee injuries. The Cavs were the only team to offer Bynum a significant contract and they protected it with provisions that enabled them to execute this trade before his full contract became guaranteed on Tuesday.

Bynum averaged 8.4 points and 5.3 rebounds in 24 games, 19 of them starts. But he consistently had issues with fellow teammates and coaches, which led to the suspension and the Cavs' decision to trade him.

The Cavs had extensive talks with the Lakers in another attempt to get Gasol over the past week. The Lakers remained firm in their stance not to deal their four-time All Star without receiving assets of value until the very end of negotiations, when the Cavs ended the talks to focus on the Bulls' offer.

The Lakers were in a similar position as the Bulls, with Kobe Bryant injured and with the option to trade for and waive Bynum to save $20 million. The Lakers believe, according to sources, that they will have other ways to get below the luxury tax threshold before the trade deadline and that Gasol still holds value around the league.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 07, 2014, 02:49:26 AM
I wonder if the Cavs intend to keep Deng or not. Looks like Chicago is blowing it up, so I wonder what other parts may be available?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 07, 2014, 06:07:37 PM
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CHICAGO -- Bulls vice president John Paxson doesn't expect Tom Thibodeau to be happy about trading the coach's favorite player, Luol Deng, for center Andrew Bynum, who the team waived on Tuesday.

But Paxson insists the front office has a "really good" relationship with its coach.

"Look, it's not realistic to ask Tom or his staff to be happy about taking a player of Lu's caliber off your team," Paxson said Tuesday. "[General manager] Gar [Forman] and I put ourselves in Tom's shoes a lot. Every day, really. And we know what he's facing. We're not sitting up here saying be happy about it. It's hard. It's difficult.

"But what has to happen within an organization is that when decisions are made, that as a group you have to align together, and you have to move forward. And our focus now has to be on how best to take advantage of what we've just done. That's the challenge -- and Tom's going to be a part of that process with us. That's how this works."

The Bulls traded Deng, their All-Star forward who will be a free agent at the end of the season, to the Cleveland Cavaliers for Bynum, draft picks and salary savings early Tuesday morning.

As expected, the Bulls waived Bynum on Tuesday afternoon, clearing his $12.3 million salary off their books. That will enable the Bulls to get below the luxury-tax threshold, which, combined with not having to pay Deng the balance of his $14.3 million salary, will save the team more than $20 million.

Bynum is expected to clear waivers and become a free agent by the end of the week. Though he was suspended by the Cavs for one game for conduct detrimental to the team and excused from team activities, he is expected to be chased on the open market. The Los Angeles Clippers, Miami Heat and New York Knicks are among the teams expected to consider offering him a landing spot.

Expected to contend for the East title at the beginning of the season, the Bulls are looking to the future after losing Derrick Rose in November to another season-ending knee injury and now trading their two-time All-Star forward.

"I had a chance to voice my opinion," Thibodeau said of his meeting with the front office before the trade was made. "Their job is to make financial decisions, to make player personnel decisions, and things of that nature. Their job is to do that. My job is to coach the guys that are here. That's the way it works."

Asked if he disagreed with the trade when he talked about it with the front office, Thibodeau said, "We discussed it, and I'll leave it at that."


Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 07, 2014, 06:57:55 PM
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An announcement was made Tuesday that the NBA and the teams have come to an agreement that will allow them to minimize future financial exposure with a new TV deal on the horizon. The four teams will invest in the Spirits' entity in exchange for an accelerated up-front payment.

The New York Times, which first reported the story, said the brothers will receive $500 million as part of the deal. The payment will not completely buy out the Silnas, but a source confirmed that the new terms provide for that possibility.

"My guess is that for the NBA, the upside is that in the foreseeable future there will come a time when they will not have to look at this," NBC broadcaster Bob Costas, who was the voice of the Spirits, told The Times.

The settlement results in the Silnas dropping a lawsuit they filed in federal district court against the league and the teams in hopes of collecting on new revenue streams, like NBA League Pass and foreign TV deals, which obviously were not envisioned in the original agreement.
:usacry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 07, 2014, 07:02:21 PM
Silna brothers are ballers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 08, 2014, 01:05:00 PM
Boogie Cousins

6th in Scoring
5th in Rebounding
7th in Steals
5th in Double Doubles
3.0 Assists per game
5th in PER

And he's dominated his recent run of marquee match-ups versus other bigs. Outside of his post defense, his defense is a negative. However, his post defense is pretty damn good. Neither Dwight nor LMA could score on him when he guarded them. There's not a lot of post players left, so his good post defense doesn't get noticed. It's unfortunate that his PnR defense has been so bad. I get the feeling he's worried about expending effort on defense because of the treatment he gets from the refs and how much energy he expends on offense. The offense generally goes dead without him on the court, but it's been better with Rudy Gay on the team to carry the load.

(http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/1-08-2014/3xXmHz.gif)

And as mentioned, there's not a lot of post scorers left, so there's not a lot of emphasis on post defenders. That means? There's really nobody to stop him on offense. In a league that stopped valuing post defenders, Cousins is a match up that teams haven't gathered personnel to defend. Most teams just hack at him because they know the refs got a hate boner for Boogie, but even that hasn't stopped him this year. If you stick a big guy on Cousins, he'll take him outside where he can hit a jumper and beat them off the dribble. If you try to match Cousins quickness with a smaller guy, Cousins will go deep post and back smaller guys down. He has passing skills and moves to beat double teams. His weakness on offense is his rolls to the basket on pick n rolls are often timed poorly. There's bit of an art to the big man rolling and Boogie's pause-then-release still needs work. He likes to go grab the rebound on defense and go coast to coast as well. It's the most nerve wracking thing as a fan, but then he pulls it off here and there and you realize he's too skilled for his own good.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 08, 2014, 02:50:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEOWuoPe6wQ&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 08, 2014, 03:08:18 PM
It looks like Simmons lost 30 lbs and gave it all to Jalen.


These guys still talk of Bynum like it's 2008. I found it ironic they would say Deng is a scorer only by happenstance (by just being on the floor) and then pretend like Bynum doesn't benefit from the same kind of role.

The dude is checked out on playing professional sports. Once you lose that passion it's hard for these guys to find it again. Soon everyone will see.



Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 08, 2014, 03:35:40 PM
I don't really see Bynum lasting anywhere at this point.  I am not sure who tries him out either. Maybe the Clippers due to their lack of backup bigs. I think OKC is fine with Perkins and Adams, and the Heat already have a bunch of recycled 7 footers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 08, 2014, 03:47:26 PM
Blazers mayhaps
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 08, 2014, 03:50:43 PM
Portland is a bad match. They actually have some chemistry. Bynum in a laid back hipster town with easy weed access? Somehow I don't see that working.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 08, 2014, 03:51:49 PM
I doubt the Heat will go for Bynum although I wouldn't mind if they did as I have my doubts about Oden. But somebody definitely will. He can be had on the cheap and he's a 7 footer. That means somebody will want him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 08, 2014, 03:57:37 PM
I'm believing more and more that the only games Oden will play this year are the inevitable game six and seven against the Pacers
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 08, 2014, 04:07:19 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 08, 2014, 03:57:37 PM
I'm believing more and more that the only games Oden will play this year are the inevitable game six and seven against the Pacers
I never thought Oden would play until at least the second half of the season and even then very minimal. He's like the break open in emergency package for the Pacers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 08, 2014, 04:18:23 PM
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2014/0108/grant_r_Goldsberry_Nowitzki_Dirk_1152.jpg)

goddamn dirk
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 08, 2014, 05:25:39 PM
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With that in mind I have to disagree with Kobe's suggestion that fans should cast their ballots elsewhere and vote for youngsters like Damian Lillard instead of himself.

The All-Star Game is meant to be a showcase, not an accurate reflection of the NBA's standings and stats. While Kobe, who's played all of six games this season, has never been less deserving of a spot on the team, his presence has never been more needed. He's still popular (only LeBron and Kevin Durant received more votes in the early balloting) and he's the guy who plays the hardest in these glorified pickup games, forcing everyone else to elevate their effort.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10260107/coast-coast-injuries-impacting-all-star-rosters

J.A. Adande is sniffing glue here. If you want a showcase, you don't want hobbled old Kobe, nor do you want glory hog Kobe taking away from the other stars.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 08, 2014, 08:51:37 PM
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Eight teams have contacted Andrew Bynum's representatives about adding the 7-foot center to their rosters, according to a source close to the situation.

Bynum, who was released by the Chicago Bulls on Tuesday, is expected to sign with a club by the end of the week, the source said.

The Miami Heat and Los Angeles Clippers are widely believed to be among the teams interested in acquiring the two-time championship center.

One league executive who recently spoke with Heat president Pat Riley told ESPN.com, "I'm certain that Riley is going to go hard after Bynum."

Sources told ESPN.com's Marc Stein on Wednesday that the Dallas Mavericks are among the eight teams that have registered interest in Bynum this week. But Dallas -- one of the prime bidders for Bynum's services this past summer before he signed with the Cleveland Cavaliers -- is limited to offering him a minimum salary.

Sources say, furthermore, that the Brooklyn Nets are not planning to pursue Bynum despite being granted a disabled player exception worth up to $5.25 million in the wake of Brook Lopez's season-ending foot injury. The Atlanta Hawks, meanwhile, are "unlikely" to lodge a bid for Bynum to replace the injured Al Horford, according to one source close to the process.

Bynum's decision will come down to several factors, according to the source. He will consider playing time, the club's chances for playoff success and money.

Financial compensation will not be a small factor considering that Bynum's release by the Bulls meant he receives only $6 million of his $12.3 million salary for this season. Bynum was traded from Cleveland to Chicago on Monday.

"It doesn't necessarily have to be a contender," the source said of Bynum's choice. "He's looking to play and be utilized."

Miami has its midlevel exception available as well as a need for a viable big man to combat Indiana's Roy Hibbert.

The Clippers, on the other hand, are limited to offering Bynum the veteran's minimum.

Bynum is expected to clear waivers Thursday at 5 p.m. ET.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 08, 2014, 08:54:47 PM
etiolate should like this.

https://twitter.com/boogiecousins/status/421011545737666561
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 08, 2014, 10:27:19 PM
yessssss

also, Nets with a big win tonight against the Warriors.  GS was trying to extend their road win streak
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 09, 2014, 01:07:01 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 08, 2014, 08:54:47 PM
etiolate should like this.

https://twitter.com/boogiecousins/status/421011545737666561

I saw that. He needs good PR, but who knows when he'll have time to do that. Bill should try to shake his hand.

There was two great Boogie moments in last nights game that for which no gifs exist. =(

The first was a shot of Cousins standing at the end of the court during a deadball, looking bored while eyeing the crowd. The camera slowly pans down and reveals the team mascot laying at Cousins' feet, its lion paw gently petting his shoe.

The second was two Blazers players trying to do a fist-bump after a bad call and Cousins knocking their hands away.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 09, 2014, 01:12:06 AM
I am sure Kobe knows a doctor who can do that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 09, 2014, 09:36:22 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7CCRbXwwkc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfdx0Cs2g10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfPQWq4PqF8
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 09, 2014, 05:06:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYrPGHGrRwk
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 09, 2014, 06:06:11 PM
Eric Bledsoe out indefinitely; will need knee surgery.

:tocry poor Phoenix, they were killing it this year.

Guess the only feel-good story left is the Blazers
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 09, 2014, 06:24:20 PM
That sucks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on January 09, 2014, 06:31:50 PM
why do these guards keep dying
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 09, 2014, 08:07:35 PM
Quote
"I'm not addressing anything else with JR. Just not gonna do it," Mike Woodson.
:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 10, 2014, 02:20:26 PM
Tonight is that pick your jersey name thing game between the Heat and Nets.

Quote
Miami:

Ray Allen: "J. Shuttlesworth"
Chris Andersen: "Birdman"
Joel Anthony: "Doc"
Shane Battier: "Battle"
Michael Beasley: "B Easy"
Chris Bosh: "CB"
Mario Chalmers: "Rio"
Norris Cole: "Cole Train"
Udonis Haslem: "UD"
LeBron James: "King James"
James Jones: "JJ"
Rashard Lewis: "Sweet Lew"
Roger Mason Jr.: "MoneyMase"
Greg Oden: "G.O."
Dwyane Wade: "D.Wade"

And Brooklyn, which hasn't released the full set, but those of the relevant players are already on sale:

Reggie Evans: "Joker"
Kevin Garnett: "The Big Ticket"
Joe Johnson: "JJ"
Andrei Kirilenko: "Кириленко"
Brook Lopez: "Brooklyn"
Paul Pierce: "Truth"
Mason Plumlee: "Plums"
Jason Terry: "Jet"
Deron Williams: "D-Will"
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 10, 2014, 03:03:30 PM
The Ray Allen one is just the best.

Same with Kirilenko
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 10, 2014, 03:11:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyzikX-PX-A&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on January 10, 2014, 04:49:52 PM
If I'm allowed to be a homer for a second, I really feel the NBA missed out by not doing the Pick Your Name thing a few years back with the Gilbert Arenas-Andre Blatche-Nick Young-Javale McGee manchild era Wizards.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 10, 2014, 04:52:42 PM
Who?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on January 10, 2014, 05:15:44 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 10, 2014, 04:52:42 PM
Who?
Yeah, who are the Wizards?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on January 10, 2014, 06:26:06 PM
C'mon, et's been writing Boogie fanfiction for like eight pages, and after one post I get my balls busted by a Utah and a Detroit fan?

Blatant antisemitism up in here.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on January 10, 2014, 06:47:43 PM
Anti-Zionism you mean :wag

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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 10, 2014, 06:49:07 PM
I've been asked if I'm a Detroit Piston fan more than I get asked whether I used to play basketball. :fbm

I am not a Detroit Pistons fan
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 10, 2014, 06:50:50 PM
Quote from: Mandark on January 10, 2014, 04:49:52 PM
If I'm allowed to be a homer for a second, I really feel the NBA missed out by not doing the Pick Your Name thing a few years back with the Gilbert Arenas-Andre Blatche-Nick Young-Javale McGee manchild era Wizards.
Or dodged a bullet.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on January 10, 2014, 06:53:01 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 10, 2014, 06:49:07 PM
I've been asked if I'm a Detroit Piston fan more than I get asked whether I used to play basketball. :fbm

I am not a Detroit Pistons fan

What team are you a fan of then?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 10, 2014, 06:55:54 PM
Shaq is my favorite athlete of all time, and I was a fan of any team he was on (except for Boston because fuck Boston). Orlando was my favorite team, then the Lakers, then Miami, etc.

Maybe when Joe Dumars is fired I'll become a Pistons fan. I have been team-less for awhile now, and overall I'm not really an NBA guy. I'm an NCAA guy, basketball wise.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 10, 2014, 07:30:25 PM
Get it? Dodged a bullet? Washington Bullets? Gilbert Arenas?

You won't be laughing when Simmons hires me for the pregame show with this kind of material.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 10, 2014, 11:25:05 PM
The Heat have been playing like absolute shit lately.  Allen has been terrible shooting the last few weeks, Rio is being Rio, and none of the other bench players are stepping up besides maybe Cole. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 11, 2014, 01:21:49 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 10, 2014, 06:55:54 PM
Shaq is my favorite athlete of all time, and I was a fan of any team he was on (except for Boston because fuck Boston). Orlando was my favorite team, then the Lakers, then Miami, etc.

Maybe when Joe Dumars is fired I'll become a Pistons fan. I have been team-less for awhile now, and overall I'm not really an NBA guy. I'm an NCAA guy, basketball wise.

You know, by this logic, shouldn't you be a Kings fan now?


muwhahaha
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 11, 2014, 02:22:44 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/RE1TbD7.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 11, 2014, 02:36:34 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 10, 2014, 11:25:05 PM
The Heat have been playing like absolute shit lately.  Allen has been terrible shooting the last few weeks, Rio is being Rio, and none of the other bench players are stepping up besides maybe Cole.

Losing back to back to the Knicks and the Nets.

 :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on January 11, 2014, 03:22:20 AM
The shame.

If they keep playing like this against sub .500 teams, they're gonna have a tough first, and maybe even second round in the playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 11, 2014, 03:42:49 AM
The Heat have been bad on D. Some of it can be age and Wade's continued decline and inability to play regularly, but they're just giving up a lot of easy points in the game's I've watched.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on January 11, 2014, 04:33:09 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 11, 2014, 02:36:34 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 10, 2014, 11:25:05 PM
The Heat have been playing like absolute shit lately.  Allen has been terrible shooting the last few weeks, Rio is being Rio, and none of the other bench players are stepping up besides maybe Cole.

Losing back to back to the Knicks and the Nets.

 :kobeyuck
Lebron's reactions were priceless. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 11, 2014, 05:07:56 AM
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2014/0110/grant_r_Goldsberry_Smith_Josh_1152.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 11, 2014, 05:16:39 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/4H6fE6F.jpg)

oh mah gaaaaaaw
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 12, 2014, 09:41:08 PM
I know I was against the Rudy Gay trade, but he's been pretty good so far.

His PER since joining the Kings is 19.7 and his TS% .595. The differences between Sac and Toronto is that he's not the #1 option in Sactown and he's not the alpha dog. The Kings have also gotten him shots and drives from the side instead of the dribbling at the top of the key, giant point guard stuff he was doing in Toronto. I think Cousins helps his drive game a bit since defenders are reluctant to leave Cousins to help protect the rim.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 15, 2014, 01:17:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uxoy-rXHB3Q
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 15, 2014, 01:23:47 AM
The Pacers are mighty good. Of course, I watched the Kings/Pacers game tonight and Cousins had his way with them, but they were the best team I've seen so far. None of the other top teams looked as focused or prepared as the Pacers were. They had like three days off, so that helps, but they don't have a lot of weaknesses right now.

They really need to resign Stephenson though. He does a lot for them. Their offense is really dry without him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 15, 2014, 01:38:46 AM
It will be an interesting conference finals no doubt. As always its hard to judge Miami during the regular season because they only turn it on when they feel they need to. Pacers by comparison are probably playing closer to their peak effectiveness relatively speaking on the average night of basketball for them.

I always thought the Bulls would have beat the Heat back in the 2011-2012 season before Rose got hurt because they matched up so well against the heat and they had the experience from the prior year of getting dusted by them. I feel the exact same way about the Pacers. Should be fun.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 15, 2014, 02:35:54 AM
bookmarked

especially since its happening.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on January 15, 2014, 02:37:00 AM
What if Indiana wins in seven and LeBron pulls a Jerry West and gets series MVP anyways?  That'd be amazing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 15, 2014, 10:37:53 AM
Oh man, please.  PLEASE
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 15, 2014, 11:03:57 PM
Oden plays. But the Heat still get their asses kicked by the Wizards.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 16, 2014, 01:01:18 AM
Oden did well considering.  Hope he can keep getting minutes.

But yeah Heat played like fucking shit.  They are being exposed at the moment.  Absolutely no defense period.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 16, 2014, 09:27:19 AM
Jarrett Jack was a pretty awful signing by the Cavs. He kind of reminds me of Ricky Davis.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 16, 2014, 03:12:01 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BeG1cSbCQAE-sI9.jpg:large)

This sleeve shit is getting out of hand.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on January 16, 2014, 03:15:12 PM
Hahaha, what the fuck @ those East / West logos on the fronts, lookin like some Vietnamese pirate jersey shit :rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 16, 2014, 03:16:03 PM
those tearaways/zip ups are pretty slick though

but yeah, yeesh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 17, 2014, 12:48:33 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/0GYVaNp.jpg)

snitching in the White House :rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 17, 2014, 01:24:44 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 16, 2014, 03:12:01 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/IA9kR01.jpg)
I am reading up on how you refer cases to The Hauge as we speak.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 17, 2014, 04:04:21 AM
Well at least this period of alternate NBA jerseys will provide comedy years down the road.


MEANWHILE IN BOOGIE PORNLAND

The Kings are going to be accepting bitcoin and having coaches wear google glass by the end of the month.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNMoFULXXak

All-Star game should get some Moses Malone Google Glass and stick it on somebody for the game.

Oh, and I promised Boogie Porn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nEXo7K8QZU

BEAST
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 17, 2014, 11:18:40 AM
Rockets scored 73 in the first half and then 19 in the second half last night. 

:neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 17, 2014, 11:28:39 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FSOVjgf9kM
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 17, 2014, 05:08:07 PM
Rajon Rondo IS BACK TONIGHT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx9PM2nU-cM

:rejoice

One of my favorite PGs in the league is back to salvage the Celtics season.  Quick, lets get Cormac back as well!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 17, 2014, 10:35:10 PM
Rondo with limited minutes was a factor.  8 points 4 assists and 2 boards.  Obviously not showstopper numbers but he showed flashes of what makes him, him.  Should be great to watch going forward.

Also, Olynyk was great to watch tonight.  25 points, 7 assists, 5 boards.  Dude looked like a monster.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 18, 2014, 01:09:02 AM
Durant had 54 :dead

dude's definitely winning MVP this year
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 18, 2014, 01:21:40 AM
Eh ... He will get his Barkley MVP trophy, but it won't be because he's the best all around player.


In other news, the Cavs have been shooting like a professional basketball team. 100 point games are not an abstract concept anymore.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 18, 2014, 01:44:41 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 18, 2014, 01:21:40 AM
Eh ... He will get his Barkley MVP trophy, but it won't be because he's the best all around player.


In other news, the Cavs have been shooting like a professional basketball team. 100 point games are not an abstract concept anymore.

if the thunder continue to win with westbrook out, and durant putting up 30+ a game, he's winning it for sure.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 18, 2014, 02:19:30 AM
Durant's game was insane tonight. And yes if he continues on the same pace and the Thunder keep winning on the same pace he will get the MVP. But you still have a good long season left.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on January 18, 2014, 02:49:56 AM
Yup, especially if voters think of LeBron as taking his foot off the gas.  Though he's at the point where he can put up a 21-8-10 on just 13 shots and it's ho-hum.

Even if it's a Barkley/Malone voter fatigue MVP, it still shouldn't be as bad as the one that went to Rose.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on January 18, 2014, 04:39:28 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 17, 2014, 10:35:10 PM
Also, Olynyk was great to watch tonight.  25 points, 7 assists, 5 boards.  Dude looked like a monster.

He's not going up against Ryan Kelly or Robert Sacre again anytime soon
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 18, 2014, 12:48:34 PM
Yea, I don't want to discredit Durant. Especially when you factor in the talent imbalance between the conferences. But it's hard to imagine him putting on this kind of pace and not breaking down or burning out at some point. Still another half of the season to go.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on January 18, 2014, 04:26:07 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on January 18, 2014, 02:55:14 PM
Quote from: Mandark on January 18, 2014, 02:49:56 AM
Yup, especially if voters think of LeBron as taking his foot off the gas.  Though he's at the point where he can put up a 21-8-10 on just 13 shots and it's ho-hum.

Even if it's a Barkley/Malone voter fatigue MVP, it still shouldn't be as bad as the one that went to Rose.

You mean the season when Rose led his team to 62 wins and the #1 seed in the conference?

Black-bore, which coli emote do I use here?  There's like a dozen that seem vaguely appropriate.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on January 18, 2014, 06:41:38 PM
Aw, what happened to the new and improved AWESOM-O?

Look, you're gonna defend Rose's MVP because he beat LeBron, whom you hate.  I get it.  I am, however, interested in whether you realize you're doing that, or whether you've actually convinced yourself that Rose was the best player that year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 18, 2014, 06:46:22 PM
Look, it's not like you can take Rose off those Bulls teams and still expect them to win 40+ games. They would have been lottery garbage without the Humble MVP leading the way!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on January 18, 2014, 07:00:02 PM
Yeah, Iverson's was bad.  Doesn't make Rose's any better.  The Bulls won on defense that year, including a killer second unit with Taj Gibson and Omer Asik.  IIRC the Bulls had pretty small change in +/- when Rose was on the court, compared to the huge boosts that LeBron, CP3, Howard, Dirk, etc. gave their teams.  So yeah, the wrong guy got it.

2010-11 was when we had the great moral panic of the NBA.  You had The Decision, Carmelo forcing his way to New York in the offseason, and the beginning of the Dwightmare with Howard not signing an extension with the Magic.

So suddenly everyone gets all Skip Bayless and freaks out about the prospect of elite players getting together on their own, and Rose and Durant get to be the heroes in the morality tale, quiet guys winning with the franchises that drafted them.  The goofiest part was Russell Westbrook putting up similar numbers to Rose while playing basically the same style ball, but getting killed for it, to the point where people were talking about whether the Thunder should trade him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on January 18, 2014, 07:08:06 PM
Yes yes and done something with fire and sharp objects and his bowels or something.  We've read your other posts in this thread, you realize.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on January 18, 2014, 07:09:21 PM
Besides, if you don't care about Rose per se but just want to keep the trophy out of LeBron's hands, there was a very good case that year that the award could go to someone else.


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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 18, 2014, 07:18:04 PM
Quote from: Mandark on January 18, 2014, 04:26:07 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on January 18, 2014, 02:55:14 PM
Quote from: Mandark on January 18, 2014, 02:49:56 AM
Yup, especially if voters think of LeBron as taking his foot off the gas.  Though he's at the point where he can put up a 21-8-10 on just 13 shots and it's ho-hum.

Even if it's a Barkley/Malone voter fatigue MVP, it still shouldn't be as bad as the one that went to Rose.

You mean the season when Rose led his team to 62 wins and the #1 seed in the conference?

Black-bore, which coli emote do I use here?  There's like a dozen that seem vaguely appropriate.

(http://imageshack.com/a/img43/939/trollxi.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 18, 2014, 07:19:02 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on January 18, 2014, 07:05:01 PM
LeBron got off easy only losing one trophy due to The Decision. I'd have banned him from MVP consideration for life.

Do you really even have a reason for truly hating Lebron?  Like, TRULY hate and loathe him?  I'm seriously curious.  Was there something personal that happened that you aren't mentioning?  Or are you just the worst kind of victim (perpetrator?) of team bias?

You hate the man despite being statistically the best player over the last 6 odd years.?  You hate him because he switched teams to win more (something many players actually do -- Shaq, Kareem, Dr. J, Bosh, Melo, Nash, etc.)

We don't actually hate Kobe, you know.  Did you notice that most of us here were really bummed he got hurt?  Most of us were also really happy to see him healing quickly, and SUPER excited to see him back on the court.  We're also bummed because he's hurt again.

I really cannot fathom your hatred for the man despite being the best player in the league, and doing so much since the Decision to erase people's apprehension towards him.  It's just purely illogical to hate him other than severe team bias.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 18, 2014, 11:54:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8PDgftED3M
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 19, 2014, 12:27:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBnWPuSPp40
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on January 19, 2014, 12:34:44 PM
PG. Blake. Lebron. Please. Give us a slam dunk contest worth watching.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 20, 2014, 01:56:54 AM
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The Pistons aren’t shopping Monroe but they’re near the point where at least listening would be prudent, although the market for shot-creating small forwards isn’t the greatest (Philadelphia’s Evan Turner, Golden State’s Harrison Barnes), and they’re not giving away Monroe for pennies on the dollar.

And nobody believes Celtics head honcho Danny Ainge will hold onto point guard Rajon Rondo, who just returned after recovering from ACL surgery, at all costs.

The Pistons have always been enamored with Rondo, the ultimate facilitator and competitor. And though Detroit has Brandon Jennings, he’s not necessarily viewed as a long-term option at point guard.

His contract is moveable and the Pistons didn’t hesitate to trade Brandon Knight last offseason for an upgrade. What’s to stop them from making another stair-step move?
This ends in Carmelo Anthony or something, doesn't it?

EDIT: Thank Darko the Knicks are run by bigger morons: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ldtdc3h
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 20, 2014, 02:04:43 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lclfyoe

Hold on, let me write a 5000 word article on this peppered with actor references.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2014, 02:09:52 AM
Monroe needs to be traded, but getting a PG for him would make me laugh. Why did you hand Brandon Jennings a fortune, Joe? Jennings is trash. Not to mention passing up on Trey Burke in the draft for Kentavious Caldwell-Pope. Or drafting Austin Daye over Ty Lawson.

Trade Monroe and move Josh Smith to PF. Why Joe paid him to jack up bricks from the 3 point line is beyond me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on January 20, 2014, 07:11:58 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2014, 02:09:52 AM
Monroe needs to be traded, but getting a PG for him would make me laugh. Why did you hand Brandon Jennings a fortune, Joe? Jennings is trash. Not to mention passing up on Trey Burke in the draft for Kentavious Caldwell-Pope. Or drafting Austin Daye over Ty Lawson.

Trade Monroe and move Josh Smith to PF. Why Joe paid him to jack up bricks from the 3 point line is beyond me.

Watching Smith brick toe-on-the-line threes has almost been as fun as watching Monroe clank elbow jumpers
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 20, 2014, 06:18:42 PM
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Your New York Knickerbockers, everyone.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on January 20, 2014, 06:22:35 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 20, 2014, 06:18:42 PM
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Your New York Knickerbockers, everyone.
"He told them he believes they have enough talent to win it all," one source said, "and he expects it to happen this year."
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on January 20, 2014, 07:41:15 PM
Give that camera man a raise.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 20, 2014, 10:55:12 PM
Their entire season in one gif.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2014, 01:31:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEJJFIM1m44

bosh :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 21, 2014, 02:06:15 PM
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Grantland All Stars

EASTERN CONFERENCE

Starters
G Kyle Lowry, Toronto Raptors
G John Wall, Washington Wizards
FC LeBron James, Miami Heat
FC Paul George, Indiana Pacers
FC Roy Hibbert, Indiana Pacers

Reserves
G Dwyane Wade, Miami Heat
G Arron Afflalo, Orlando Magic
FC Carmelo Anthony, New York Knicks
FC Chris Bosh, Miami Heat
FC Joakim Noah, Chicago Bulls
WC Paul Millsap, Atlanta Hawks
WC Mike Conley, Memphis Grizzlies/Goran Dragic, Phoenix Suns (but really Kyrie Irving, Cleveland Cavaliers)

I realize they are in the Western Conference. The West is that good; the East is that bad. The East should have to reserve two of its All-Star roster spots for Western Conference players.


WESTERN CONFERENCE

Starters
G James Harden, Houston Rockets
G Stephen Curry, Golden State Warriors
FC Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City Thunder
FC Kevin Love, Minnesota Timberwolves
FC LaMarcus Aldridge, Portland Trail Blazers

Reserves
G Tony Parker, San Antonio Spurs
G Damian Lillard, Portland Trail Blazers
FC Blake Griffin, Los Angeles Clippers
FC Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas Mavericks
FC Dwight Howard, Houston Rockets
WC Anthony Davis, New Orleans Pelicans
WC DeMarcus Cousins, Sacramento Kings

http://grantland.com/features/our-nba-all-star-team/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 21, 2014, 02:17:20 PM
(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/19d8k16h2tc9agif/ku-xlarge.gif)

I'll miss having a cool first lady.


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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on January 21, 2014, 02:50:19 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 21, 2014, 02:17:20 PM
I'll miss having a cool first lady.
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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on January 21, 2014, 02:52:25 PM
They wasted my tax dollars on that bullshit?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 22, 2014, 12:10:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0-GLhq3W-I

And yep. Dominique did absolutely beat Jordan in that dunk contest imo. I remember vividly watching it as a kid and being pissed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EREr6NEuEII
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 22, 2014, 09:58:14 PM
your daily "knicks are embarrassing" gif

(http://cdn3.sbnation.com/assets/3899479/airbargs.gif)

that last fucking ball bounce :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 22, 2014, 11:53:58 PM
Durant in January.

11 games.

37 ppg
52% FG
39% 3-Pt
5.9 Ast
5.6 Rebs.

 :shaq
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 23, 2014, 12:21:44 AM
damn Rudy and Cousins hurt in the same half

hope neither are serious
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 23, 2014, 02:11:14 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 22, 2014, 11:53:58 PM
Durant in January.

11 games.

37 ppg
52% FG
39% 3-Pt
5.9 Ast
5.6 Rebs.

 :shaq

the last week has been all durant its awesome to watch.  Definitely MVP right now.  Lebron has looked pedestrian in comparison.  Hopefully Lebron will go on a stretch here soon.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 23, 2014, 02:28:48 AM
cool
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on January 23, 2014, 03:19:21 AM
You realize that you have a problem, right?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 23, 2014, 07:34:31 PM
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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 23, 2014, 08:04:17 PM
Is that fan voting?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on January 23, 2014, 08:16:52 PM
No, the coaches picked Kobe for a starter  :what
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 23, 2014, 08:30:03 PM
The east team is lol.  Kyrie has been disappointing this year.  Should have been Wall or Lowry.  And three forwards as the FC?  Lol.  No Hibbert is a joke

The West is okay other than Kobe.  It should have been:

East:
1) Wall
2) Wade
3) Lebron
4) Geroge
5) Hibbert

West:
1) Curry
2) Lillard
3) Durant
4) Griffin
5) Aldridge
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 24, 2014, 12:01:32 AM
Quote from: Steve Contra on January 23, 2014, 08:16:52 PM
No, the coaches picked Kobe for a starter  :what

I am just surprised Curry and Love got in over Paul and Howard.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 24, 2014, 02:41:32 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAQ2f1s-qoA
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 24, 2014, 10:45:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTRp98roipk

 :leon

God Damn I love Chris Bosh. He smashes all those perceived sterotypes of African American males.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 24, 2014, 11:11:58 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 24, 2014, 10:45:06 PM

God Damn I love Chris Bosh. He smashes all those perceived sterotypes of African American males.

(http://i.imgur.com/DDsIAVx.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 24, 2014, 11:25:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9dX6IhU2tM
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 24, 2014, 11:27:00 PM
Carmelo scored 62 tonight in a victory for all that's worth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmgBKuq7kQY
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 25, 2014, 02:50:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwZdoevq3E4

dear god
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 25, 2014, 03:56:48 AM
(http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/835255910.gif)

That's not a foul.

NBA keeps sending the d-league refs to Sacramento games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 26, 2014, 06:38:04 PM
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of the Stern Era)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 27, 2014, 05:41:41 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2014/01/26/david-stern-commissioner-30-years-retirement-legacy/4913299/
http://www.nba.com/2014/news/features/david_aldridge/01/27/life-and-times-of-david-stern-oral-history-by-david-aldridge/index.html

Lots of articles popping up about Stern now that he retires soon.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of the Stern Era)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 28, 2014, 01:50:53 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh1sCtm7hjo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of the Stern Era)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 28, 2014, 02:25:57 AM
just give that man his MVP

oh by the way, bosh continues to be my personal mvp  :heartbeat :heartbeat :heartbeat

http://instagram.com/p/jslQiJEMvO/ (http://instagram.com/p/jslQiJEMvO/)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of the Stern Era)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 28, 2014, 03:09:49 PM
http://stats.nba.com/playerStats.html?PlayerID=201142 (http://stats.nba.com/playerStats.html?PlayerID=201142)

 :whoo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of the Stern Era)
Post by: Your Stalker on January 28, 2014, 04:47:08 PM
he's up to 240 now?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of the Stern Era)
Post by: etiolate on January 28, 2014, 09:40:34 PM
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/media/2.0/teamsites/kings/Kings_Grand_Entrance_Night_611.jpg)

http://www.nba.com/kings/high-res-esc-renderings

Rendering of new Kings arena.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of the Stern Era)
Post by: benjipwns on January 29, 2014, 01:53:35 AM
Number one pick had a breakout game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZm78344ovQ
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of the Stern Era)
Post by: pilonv1 on January 29, 2014, 06:11:41 AM
Fucking Wizards :fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of the Stern Era)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 29, 2014, 04:49:04 PM
Thunder versus Heat tonight. 7:00 PM EST.


Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of the Stern Era)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 29, 2014, 04:56:43 PM
Excite.  Going to the bar to watch it with some friends.  One friend is wearing her Perkins celtics jersey :pacspit
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of the Stern Era)
Post by: Your Stalker on January 29, 2014, 05:15:25 PM
they've been replaying the 2012 finals on nbatv today
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of the Stern Era)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 29, 2014, 05:52:32 PM
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/food-for-men/chris-bosh-cooking-interview

You know it just goes to show how much winning colors everything and how phony it can all be. Chris Bosh is the same dude he always was. But now that's he winning everybody is sort of embracing his quirky nature. When it should have been that way all along.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of the Stern Era)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 29, 2014, 07:21:02 PM
Miami off to a hot start. 15-2.


edit 18-2.


Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of the Stern Era)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 29, 2014, 07:26:04 PM
Bosh :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of the Stern Era)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 29, 2014, 07:47:13 PM
Heat apparently don't want to cover fisher.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of the Stern Era)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 29, 2014, 07:56:49 PM
You can tell both teams are actually up for the game and want it which is nice for a regular season game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of the Stern Era)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 29, 2014, 08:09:55 PM
Sweet ass move by Durant there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of the Stern Era)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 29, 2014, 08:12:58 PM
Thunder up by 5 at half. 55-50.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of the Stern Era)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 29, 2014, 08:28:09 PM
At this point I'm never surprised when Miami gives up nearly a 20 point lead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of the Stern Era)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 29, 2014, 08:34:49 PM
Thunder up by a dozen. Miami 3 point defense is awful.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of the Stern Era)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 29, 2014, 08:51:57 PM
After that 22 to 4 start Miami has looked flat out awful tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of the Stern Era)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 29, 2014, 09:00:32 PM
Lebron and Durant both heating up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of the Stern Era)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 29, 2014, 09:02:58 PM
wow
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of the Stern Era)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 29, 2014, 09:04:50 PM
Some nice Lebron and Durant one on one going back and forth at each other.

Thunder up 16 going into the 4th quarter.

Miami has been alright offensively but their transition defense and 3 point defense has doomed them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of the Stern Era)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 29, 2014, 09:13:06 PM
Well if you want a game to cement the idea that Durant is just as good as Lebron, this would be that kind of game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of the Stern Era)
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 29, 2014, 09:14:45 PM
Heat is not gonna win with this group.  The media always give the reigning champs too much benefit of the doubt.

Right now, the Heat look like the Lakers when they last attempted a 3-peat.  Everyone thinks they'll just turn it up in the playoffs but it's not gonna happen. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of the Stern Era)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 29, 2014, 09:19:41 PM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on January 29, 2014, 09:14:45 PM
Heat is not gonna win with this group.  The media always give the reigning champs too much benefit of the doubt.

Right now, the Heat look like the Lakers when they last attempted a 3-peat.  Everyone thinks they'll just turn it up in the playoffs but it's not gonna happen.

Thunder are definitely making them look like a flawed team. And every flaw is being exploited. They also look slow compared to the Thunder.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant MVP)
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 29, 2014, 09:21:00 PM
:gladbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant MVP)
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 29, 2014, 09:32:35 PM
It's easy to chalk the Heat's performance this season to lack of motivation during the regular season but there are legit reasons for their recent losses.  The big three played well tonight and the Heat still got destroyed.  Is it really reasonable to think that Chalmers, Battier, Beasley, etc. will suddenly become significantly more productive in the playoffs?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant MVP)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 30, 2014, 01:35:18 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1dOhukFbhM
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant MVP)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 30, 2014, 10:25:39 AM
Quote from: Smooth Groove on January 29, 2014, 09:32:35 PM
It's easy to chalk the Heat's performance this season to lack of motivation during the regular season but there are legit reasons for their recent losses.  The big three played well tonight and the Heat still got destroyed.  Is it really reasonable to think that Chalmers, Battier, Beasley, etc. will suddenly become significantly more productive in the playoffs?

I wouldn't put it past them, honestly.  Battier was pretty much an offensive liability most of the regular season and part of the playoffs, yet he stepped up in the Finals.  Chalmers had a great playoffs last year too.

I'm not concerned with the Heat quite yet.  They have shown many cases in the last three years of malaise and lazy play during the regular season and even the playoffs.  But they've always gotten it done when they need to.  I'll be worried when its Game 5/6/7 versus Indiana, or Game 4/5/6 against the Thunder if they get to the Finals this year.  And if they don't get to the Finals this year?  It's not that disappointing considering they've been in the last three Finals.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The End of the Stern Era)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 30, 2014, 02:59:39 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on January 30, 2014, 10:41:39 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 29, 2014, 09:13:06 PM
Well if you want a game to cement the idea that Durant is just as good as Lebron, this would be that kind of game.

Like that was seriously in doubt.

Well according you all that matters is rings so Durant is complete and utter shit until he wins one.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant MVP)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 30, 2014, 03:02:06 PM
Darko>Durant
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant MVP)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 30, 2014, 05:22:33 PM
Quote
How hot are the collective seats of Chris Grant and Mike Brown? And who do you think the Cavs are most likely to target at the deadline?
Chad Ford  (1:05 PM)

Virtually every GM in the league believes that Grant will be gone this summer if things don't get turned around this season. He doesn't have much time. The thinking is that there's no way Dan Gilbert is going to let him make another lottery pick if that's the direction the Cavs end up heading. Grant's goal (via his owner) is to get this team competitive and into the playoffs. The Deng move was supposed to help. But so far ... nothing. Chemistry is a major issue there and some of that is on Mike Brown. But more of it is on the collection of players in Cleveland at the moment. Something has to happen quick. Kyrie Irving has been telling people privately he wants out. Cleveland can't afford to lose him and LeBron. They know the urgency. I expect them to be major players at the deadline.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/49933
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant MVP)
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 30, 2014, 05:26:04 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 30, 2014, 05:22:33 PM
Quote
How hot are the collective seats of Chris Grant and Mike Brown? And who do you think the Cavs are most likely to target at the deadline?
Chad Ford  (1:05 PM)

Virtually every GM in the league believes that Grant will be gone this summer if things don't get turned around this season. He doesn't have much time. The thinking is that there's no way Dan Gilbert is going to let him make another lottery pick if that's the direction the Cavs end up heading. Grant's goal (via his owner) is to get this team competitive and into the playoffs. The Deng move was supposed to help. But so far ... nothing. Chemistry is a major issue there and some of that is on Mike Brown. But more of it is on the collection of players in Cleveland at the moment. Something has to happen quick. Kyrie Irving has been telling people privately he wants out. Cleveland can't afford to lose him and LeBron. They know the urgency. I expect them to be major players at the deadline.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/49933

The luster of Anthony Bennett's 15 point game is already starting to fade. :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant MVP)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 30, 2014, 05:46:30 PM
Move Kyrie and Deng to the Knicks.  Knicks get rid of yet another pick, JR Smith, Felton, Hardaway, and Metta.  Knicks starting five:

1. Irving
2. Shumpert
3. Deng
4. Melo
5. Chandler

I just fixed the knicks

slash not really, but hey that team would be fun
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant MVP)
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 30, 2014, 08:28:11 PM
Makes sense for a Kobe fanboy to be stanning KD.  KD is playing the quality of basketball that Kobe fans imagined Kobe to have played. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant MVP)
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 30, 2014, 08:34:10 PM
Cavs should ship out Irving if they can get something good in return.  He's been like the Melo of PGs and is probably never gonna be worth more while he is in Cleveland. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant MVP)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 30, 2014, 11:31:59 PM
:umad
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant MVP)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 31, 2014, 12:46:42 AM
also, the all star rosters are typically bullshit

no Lance, no Lowry, no Dragic, No Cousins

but they put Harden, Paul and Kobe in

 :yuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant MVP)
Post by: Beezy on January 31, 2014, 12:48:35 AM
THEY PUT JOE FUCKIN JOHNSON IN WHAT THE FUCK
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant MVP)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 31, 2014, 12:49:35 AM
And no Anthony Davis despite having a PER of over 26.  Only Kareem has had that sort of number and not gotten into the all star game
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant MVP)
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 31, 2014, 12:56:48 AM
Kobe basically got the equivalent of a life-time achievement Oscar this year. Everybody knows that he's done and won't ever come close to being all-star level again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant MVP)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 31, 2014, 01:14:44 AM
No Cousins is pretty dumb. As are some of the others. What can you say.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant MVP)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 31, 2014, 01:19:39 AM
Kobe played in a grand total of, what, 6 games this season?  Oh yeah all-star for sure  ::)

On the other hand, you don't really have many strong SGs...but the all-star game just picks general back court and front court players.  Load up on fucking PGs, it seems like every team these days has an awesome PG.

After thinking bout it a bit more, West should've been:

1. Curry
2. Lillard
3. Durant
4. Love
5. Aldridge
------
-Dragic
-Cousins
-Davis
-Paul
-Griffin
-Dirk
-Dwight

East should have been:

1. Wall
2. DeRozan
3. Lebron
4. George
5. Hibbert
------
-Lowry
-Lance
-Kyrie
-Bosh
-Melo
-Noah
-Wade
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Snubs!)
Post by: etiolate on January 31, 2014, 01:33:36 AM
Cousins is a historic snub. There's still at least one injury replacement choice to happen though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Snubs!)
Post by: Mandark on January 31, 2014, 01:36:56 AM
Lowry's a pretty huge snub, but in the West I don't see a lot of obvious outrage.  Kobe's the obvious one to leave out (though I have no problem with a fan vote for an exhibition game lineup being a popularity contest), but after that you're dropping Harden, Parker*, Dirk, etc. who have all been playing at a very high level for winning teams.

No matter what adjustments you make, the biggest unfairness is going to be the much lower standards for being an all star in the East.


*Good luck convincing the coaches to vote for a team where San Antonio has no representatives whatsoever, BN.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Snubs!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 31, 2014, 01:39:06 AM
I still got Dirk in there!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Snubs!)
Post by: Mandark on January 31, 2014, 01:45:17 AM
I know, just listing the more "obvious" guys who would have to be dropped to include the guys who were left off.  There isn't a Jamal Magloire in the bunch.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Snubs!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 31, 2014, 01:48:46 AM
Do you think that Dragic, Davis, and Cousins should be on the all-star team?  I'm actually genuinely curious what you think.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Snubs!)
Post by: etiolate on January 31, 2014, 01:50:26 AM
There's really no big man having a better year than Cousins. Not Dirk and especially not Howard. LMA and Love are closest.  Stat-wise the only big man to produce at Cousins level and not make the All Star list was Kareem in the year he got injured.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Snubs!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 31, 2014, 01:53:22 AM
and davis
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Snubs!)
Post by: Mandark on January 31, 2014, 01:58:45 AM
Yeah, Davis has a better efficiency rating THIS YEAR.  Plus Dwight's a way better defender, and Dirk probably gives a bigger boost to his team's offense.  I'd have no problem at all with Cousins making the squad, but this isn't exactly Kissinger getting the Nobel.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Snubs!)
Post by: etiolate on January 31, 2014, 02:10:55 AM
Davis and Cousins have flip-flopped in PER throughout the year. Wouldn't be surprise if Cousins would have been ahead at this point had he not been injured. Of course, this is Mandark I'm talking to so it's a waste of my time.

It's a historic snub stat-wise and a joke that the best center in the game is left off.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Snubs!)
Post by: Smooth Groove on January 31, 2014, 02:14:50 AM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2014_leaders.html

Cousins is doing well in PER but not so much in Win Shares and WS/48 mins which are arguably better evaluators of performance.  Love, Griffin, Deandre Jordan, Nowitzki, Davis, David Lee, and even Pekovic all post better win shares numbers than Cousins. 

So Mandark actually has a legit point.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=313&f=2178&t=8977326
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Snubs!)
Post by: Mandark on January 31, 2014, 02:15:45 AM
Point is if they're both roughly equivalent stats-wise, snubbing just one of them can't really be "historic."

It's not even much (or at all) worse than Brook Lopez (http://nba.si.com/2013/01/25/brook-lopez-all-star-game-brooklyn-nets/) being left off of the East team last year, especially considering Deng was a much weaker candidate that year than Dirk, LMA, etc. are this year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Snubs!)
Post by: etiolate on January 31, 2014, 02:18:51 AM
Cousins has a higher value added and estimated wins added than Dirk, Davis and LMA.

If we're just pulling random stat measurements out of our arse.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Snubs!)
Post by: Mandark on January 31, 2014, 02:32:31 AM
Um, VA is explicitly a function of Hollinger's PER and minutes played* and EWA is quite literally just VA divided by 30 (so the rankings for the two stats will be, by definition completely (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/VORP) identical (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/VORPe)).  They were designed to represent aggregate value for a season rather than per-minute value, but it's literally just a small modification to PER, and does nothing to change the underlying formula.

Saying someone has a high EWA is just saying "he has a high efficiency rating and played a lot of minutes."  Which isn't nothing, but if you already knew both of those things it doesn't really add to the conversation.


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*With a small boost for centers and wing players to reflect scarcity of talent, IIRC.
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Snubs!)
Post by: pilonv1 on January 31, 2014, 05:16:56 AM
Quote from: etiolate on January 31, 2014, 02:10:55 AM
It's a historic snub stat-wise and a joke that the best center in the game is left off.

I agree, Bogut should have made it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Snubs!)
Post by: etiolate on January 31, 2014, 05:19:43 AM
This is not the all-goon squad!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Snubs!)
Post by: benjipwns on January 31, 2014, 06:20:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNdDsriVwmU
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Snubs!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 31, 2014, 11:09:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2NjE-k0mcc
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Snubs!)
Post by: benjipwns on January 31, 2014, 11:19:18 PM
(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/19ea89e3fz597png/ku-xlarge.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Snubs!)
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 31, 2014, 11:47:58 PM
Dirk’s last three games: 33.3 PPG, 10.3 RPG, 61 FG%, 100 FT%

The fuck.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Snubs!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 01, 2014, 02:48:03 PM
Quote
The Indiana Pacers added size and depth Saturday when they signed center Andrew Bynum to a contract for the rest of the season.

The Pacers will pay Bynum $1 million for the remainder of the season, a source told ESPN

Bynum, who will join the Pacers next week, will back up All-Star Roy Hibbert along with Ian Mahinmi. Also featuring power forwards David West and Luis Scola, the Pacers will have some of the best depth in the NBA at the big man positions.

The move also kept Bynum away from the rival Miami Heat, who beat the Pacers in seven games in last season's Eastern Conference finals. The Pacers enter Saturday with a three-game lead over the Heat for the East's best record.

"We are obviously happy to have him join our team," Pacers president of basketball operations Larry Bird said in a release. "He gives us added size, he is a skilled big man and he has championship experience. With the minutes he gets, he should be a valuable addition."

Five teams were interested in Bynum, including the Heat, but it was the Pacers who had a roster spot and the space under the luxury tax to add him now.

"It really wasn't a hard decision, I think it's the right fit for me," Bynum said in a statement. "In all honesty, I think we've got the best chance of winning. It will be great to back up Roy, and I'll do whatever I can to help this team."

The Heat could have outbid the Pacers for Bynum because they had all of their mid-level exception of $3 million to spend. However, the Heat currently have a full roster of 15 players and a luxury-tax bill of $15 million, meaning creating room for and signing Bynum would have been expensive. Plus, the Heat are getting encouraging play from Greg Oden, who recently returned after missing four years due to injuries.

If the Heat do make another addition this season, it will likely be for a wing player who specializes in defense, sources told ESPN. The team has been in trade talks recently looking to trade for a wing or to open up a roster spot to sign one in free agency.

Bynum, who missed all of last season with a knee injury, averaged 8.4 points and 5.3 rebounds in 24 games for the Cleveland Cavaliers this season. The Cavs traded him to the Chicago Bulls with two future draft picks for Luol Deng on Jan. 7. The Bulls, in a salary-saving move, released Bynum the next day before the second half of his $12 million contract became guaranteed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Snubs!)
Post by: Bacchus7 on February 01, 2014, 04:17:08 PM
I cannot imagine a smarter move for the Pacers on paper.

I think under Vogel it will play out to their advantage too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Snubs!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 01, 2014, 05:39:57 PM
oh christ almighty, a Laker fan bitching about another team on a ring streak?

fucking really?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Snubs!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 01, 2014, 06:02:44 PM
would you be saying that if chris paul was currently on the lakers?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Snubs!)
Post by: benjipwns on February 03, 2014, 01:46:57 AM
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The Phoenix Suns have emerged as a potential trade suitor for Los Angeles Lakers center Pau Gasol, according to sources close to the process.

Sources told ESPN.com that the Suns, among the options being weighed as part of their well-chronicled desire to acquire an established player as they make an unexpected playoff push this season, have been exploring the feasibility of trading for the Lakers' four-time All-Star.

One option for the Suns, by virtue of their $5.6 million in available salary-cap space, is swapping the expiring contract of injured big man Emeka Okafor for Gasol, even though Okafor's $14.5 million salary this season falls well shy of Gasol's $19.3 million.

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Stephen Mackey · Nassau, New Providence
Throw in D'Antoni and Steve Nash as well while you're at it.
Reply · 328 ·  · 8 hours ago
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Snubs!)
Post by: benjipwns on February 03, 2014, 02:29:28 PM
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SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Carlos Boozer voiced his frustration Monday about his lack of playing time in the fourth quarter for the Chicago Bulls.

The veteran power forward has not played in the fourth quarter in the last two contests and is clearly bothered by what he perceives as a lack of opportunity from coach Tom Thibodeau.

"I think I should be out there," said Boozer,  who is in the midst of his worst season as a Bull. "But it's [Thibodeau's] choice. He makes the decisions out there, so I play, I don't coach. He coaches. So he decides that.

"But honestly, he's been doing that a lot since I've been here, not putting me in the fourth quarter. Sometimes we win; more times than not, we don't. But that's his choice.''
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Snubs!)
Post by: etiolate on February 04, 2014, 12:44:43 AM
Cousins returns from injury. Puts up 25 pts 16rbs and 4asts. Kings blow out Chicago. End 7 game losing streak that began with Boogie's injury. Boozer was 4-15 with a -33.

And the league sends garbage refs to Sacramento again. Noah got ejected and I understand his anger. The foul call on him was ridiculous. He then graced the refs with his opinions upon their moral upstanding.

(http://media.giphy.com/media/2XskdWRZkepjYmxJCVO/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Snubs!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 04, 2014, 01:13:10 AM
Noah is the greatest  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Snubs!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 04, 2014, 01:14:54 AM
What a thug
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Snubs!)
Post by: Your Stalker on February 04, 2014, 01:24:53 AM
halflings can't be thugs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Snubs!)
Post by: etiolate on February 04, 2014, 01:25:16 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s7SH0FZ0FY

:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 04, 2014, 12:17:49 PM
(http://cdn.nextimpulsesports.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/lebronflop.gif)

My man!

 :gladbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 04, 2014, 01:04:15 PM
R/NBA was pissing their pants about that, but from the other angle he clearly gets an elbow to the mouth.  Lebron just knows how to sell :smug
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 05, 2014, 06:53:19 AM
(http://cdn1.sbnation.com/assets/3954825/derrickNOOO_medium.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on February 05, 2014, 06:54:43 AM
fucking Warriors :tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 05, 2014, 10:02:31 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2014/02/cleveland_cavaliers_embarrass.html

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Oh, the sting was taken out after Cleveland cut a 29-point first-half lead to 114-108 after two free throws by Anthony Bennett with 1:17 left in the fourth quarter, but a 3-pointer by Steve Blake, playing with a ruptured ear drum suffered at Minnesota on Tuesday night, restored the Lakers lead to 117-108 with 56.7 seconds left and the Lakers, down to five healthy players, held on.

...

The Lakers started the game with eight healthy players, then lost Nick Young for the second half with a twisted left knee. Jordan Farmar, just back from a torn left hamstring, played 33 minutes but had his leg wrapped in ice on the bench after coming out with 9:39 left in the fourth quarter. Chris Kaman and Robert Sacre fouled out in the fourth quarter, but Sacre had to remain in the game and the Lakers were assessed a technical foul.


 :whoo
Simply Amazing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 06, 2014, 03:15:46 AM
Kings win again with Cousins back. They blew out the Raptors for most of the game and then Toronto came back late as the Kings tired. There was also a very bad call late in the game that could have changed things. For the second game in a row, the refs fucked up a game in Sacramento. They've really been bad all year. It's a culmination of things, but without Stern intimidating the press into silence, I am not sure if the NBA will continue to ignore the problem.

The call probably didn't alter the outcome, as the Kings had been leading for most of the game, but there was a chance that Toronto could have come back if they made the right call.

http://youtu.be/7JFRnCZXWzk

I would have called a 4 pt play. I felt Ben screwed up. Next, I would have called nothing and counted the basket. (Great shot.) What the refs did instead is astounding. What makes it even more interesting is that the Pacers/Kings game went into OT thanks to a 4pt play that was not a foul. Just continued fail from NBA officials.

It tainted a whole game that should have been about the Kings beating the team that supposedly excelled from ridding themselves of Gay. (hint: THE EAST SUCKS AND IS FAR EASIER TO WIN IN.)

On that note, the Kings are 2-0 since Cousins returned from injury. He's still obviously not 100% and a bit gimpy, but putting up 20 & 10 with ease. The Kings are .500 with Gay/IT/Cousins with one of the toughest schedules in the league.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 06, 2014, 05:50:09 PM
Quote
Paul George, John Wall, Damian Lillard, Harrison Barnes, Terrence Ross, and Ben McLemore will be this year's dunk contest competitors.

Pretty good group.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 06, 2014, 07:55:48 PM
Quote from: etiolate on February 06, 2014, 03:15:46 AM
the team that supposedly excelled from ridding themselves of Gay. (hint: THE EAST SUCKS AND IS FAR EASIER TO WIN IN.)
Which is why they were having such an easy time posting a winning record when Gay was using 31% of possessions!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 06, 2014, 08:02:13 PM
Problem was that Gay was misused and all their best players were perimeter players. Gay plays better at a lower usage rate and with a big man.

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The notoriously inefficient Gay has changed in the California capital, averaging 20.8 points a game with a spectacular true shooting percentage of 60.8 percent (it was 46.8 percent in Toronto) and a PER of 22.2 (14.9, right at the league average in Toronto).

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/06/rudy-gay-says-hes-unsure-if-he-will-test-free-agent-market-this-summer/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

The key seems to be that Cousins works well at a very high usage rate, so he takes usage away from Gay and they both benefit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 06, 2014, 09:35:22 PM
Bill Walton is casting the Oregon/Arizona game right now
:rejoice

GOAT color man
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 06, 2014, 09:37:18 PM
I'm gonna wait and see about Gay.  Give him the rest of the season before I pass judgement one way or the other.  Any guy can get hot.  Remember who won 6th Man of the Year last year?  Yeah.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 06, 2014, 09:52:06 PM
The one loss of the Maloofs getting booted was that it seems the new Kings ownership doesn't want to bring Bill Walton in for a few games through the years.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 06, 2014, 10:18:35 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/I7BNRU1.jpg)

u mad bro??
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 07, 2014, 03:53:16 AM
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There will no longer be one winner crowned, instead the competition will feature 2 teams consisting of 3 players each, and it will be 2 rounds of action — East vs. West. In other words, it will be John Wall, Paul George and Terrence Ross vs. Damian Lillard, Ben McLemore and Harrison Barnes.

the competition will tip off with a Freestyle Round where the dunkers for each conference will have 90 seconds to showcase as many dunks as they want. At the conclusion of the Freestyle Round, the panel of judges will then choose a winner by voting “East” or “West.” The winning conference will earn the advantage of deciding whether its dunkers will dunk first or second in the head-to-head battles that take place in the Battle Round.

The Battle Round will feature head-to-head matchups pitting East dunkers vs. West dunkers, with the judges choosing a winner for each battle. Upon losing a head-to-head battle, that dunker is then eliminated from the competition. The first team to win three battles will win the competition and be crowned 2014 Sprite Slam Dunk champions.
:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 07, 2014, 03:15:22 PM
Anthony Davis named as replacement for Kobe Bryant. I don't have a problem with that, as I'm a big fan of Davis. I have more of a problem with Dwight being named a reserve ahead of either Davis or Cousins. Howard isn't really deserving over either of those guys.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 07, 2014, 03:27:58 PM
Dwight's been having a great season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 07, 2014, 03:37:02 PM
He's putting up 18 & 12 with a couple of blocks. That's very good. However, Cousins and Davis are doing a lot more. I'll keep harping on the Boogie train, but the numbers he is putting up have only been put up by Hall of Fame big men, Squaq, and Dwight in his best years. And I'd rather have Cousins or Davis than Howard at this point.

Somewhat of note: Davis and Howard are good shotblockers, but Rockets and Pelicans still look woeful on defense. Perimeter D is still extremely important even if you have a rim protector.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 07, 2014, 04:59:23 PM
Yeah, but at this point in his career Davis just puts up good block numbers without really protecting the rim while Howard's an actual impact defender.  As lousy as the Rockets look, they're a top 10 defense when he's on the court, and rebound as a team significantly better IIRC.  It's a cliche to say a player "does things that don't show up in the box score" but defense, especially interior defense, is the case where it's most true in basketball.

Davis and Cousins both have very strong cases for being included based on their numbers, but they're essentially offense-first players playing the most important defensive position for losing teams.  Fair or not, that was always going to cost them with the coaches' vote.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 07, 2014, 05:05:58 PM
As soon as Davis gets another strong big man/4 and a few strong role playing wings, I think the Pelis will be a fun team to watch.  They're already pretty fun.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 07, 2014, 05:17:58 PM
I feel Davis is getting in on defensive ability far more than his offensive ability. He puts up points, but his game is still limited offensively. He's not a guy you go to for points yet. He gets them out of the Pelicans system, but that's mostly based on ball-dominant guards driving and kicking. Both Davis and Ryan Anderson are face up shooters at this point.

The funny/sad thing is that Davis and Cousins would be the ideal pair for each other's strengths and weaknesses.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on February 08, 2014, 03:11:31 PM
http://youtu.be/BDZaJFd4aSk

This isn't even fair.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 08, 2014, 06:24:54 PM
he'll get to college and look pedestrian, just like wiggins and parker did
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 08, 2014, 06:28:30 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 08, 2014, 06:24:54 PM
he'll get to college and look pedestrian, just like wiggins and parker did

 :what
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on February 08, 2014, 07:03:18 PM
BrandNew is an expert scout, didn't you know?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 08, 2014, 07:58:21 PM
that was a troll you guys.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2014, 12:01:55 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhKNGWSk-N8

welp. Should have entered the draft last year, he would have been the #1 pick if the Cavs didn't win the lottery.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2014, 12:55:24 PM
Mo Cheeks fired  :lol

How is it possible Joe Dumars still has a job? Cheeks isn't some great coach, but who can win with that shitty roster? Who can win with Josh Smith throwing up 3s all game, and Brandon Jennings pretending to be a PG?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 09, 2014, 07:03:08 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/bL3FCPG.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2014, 07:50:05 PM
The owner should have Joe coach the remainder of the season, and if they miss the playoffs he gets fired.

I just don't understand why he wasn't fired last year. Why allow him to bring his guys in and use a lottery pick instead of just completely rebuilding with a new GM. Now the team has another lottery bust and two huge FA signings that completely bombed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on February 10, 2014, 04:50:19 AM
Holy shit, Clippers - Sixers. Was 89-33 halfway into 3Q  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 10, 2014, 10:23:48 AM
fffuuuuuu
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on February 11, 2014, 12:04:44 AM
 :holeup sixers getting blown out again
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 11, 2014, 05:38:06 PM
Quote
The Sixers are the second team in NBA history to lose by 40-plus points in consecutive games. The 1993-94 Sixers were the other one.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 11, 2014, 06:20:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCk3MOKSCcY
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on February 11, 2014, 08:17:45 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 11, 2014, 05:38:06 PM
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The Sixers are the second team in NBA history to lose by 40-plus points in consecutive games. The 1993-94 Sixers were the other one.
:neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 11, 2014, 11:36:07 PM
Bennett had his first double double tonight :tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on February 12, 2014, 01:35:35 PM
http://youtu.be/Y-xYOoBID48
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2014, 08:52:34 PM
Jimmer Fredette is trending on twitter. Thanks a lot, Knicks/Beezy
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 12, 2014, 09:54:05 PM
Miami at Golden State tonight. I might live blog this one.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 12, 2014, 10:20:29 PM
thanks knicks!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 13, 2014, 12:26:41 AM
Miami up by 20 in 3rd.

Of course they give up the lead by the 4th.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 13, 2014, 12:28:47 AM
wow wow
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 13, 2014, 12:52:47 AM
this is Good Shit
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 13, 2014, 12:53:47 AM
Really good finish down the stretch here.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 13, 2014, 12:58:35 AM
wow. Fucking huge.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 13, 2014, 01:00:17 AM
I hope Awesome-o didn't see that or else he might kill himself.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lebron GOAT)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 13, 2014, 01:31:38 AM
goddamit fucking fuck fuck FUCK I left the bar at half time

Lebron has had a monster week despite that bad performance in Utah.  I think the dude resents the fact that everyone already has given Durant the MVP.  Next Thursday's game is gonna be glorious I hope.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lebron GOAT)
Post by: benjipwns on February 13, 2014, 01:31:41 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Not1TnfydE

Bonus LeBron:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16Iwz_UnQ3g
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lebron GOAT)
Post by: etiolate on February 13, 2014, 03:52:13 AM
http://youtu.be/6dwQsnMunXE
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lebron GOAT)
Post by: pilonv1 on February 13, 2014, 05:10:55 AM
 :stahp :stahp :stahp :stahp
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lebron GOAT)
Post by: Your Stalker on February 13, 2014, 05:23:27 AM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me2jxifNMF1rey13po1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lebron GOAT)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 13, 2014, 04:33:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baR57TLvxhc
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lebron GOAT)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2014, 01:32:33 AM
KD answers Lebron with 43/7/12...with 19 in the 4th :noah

This shit is awesome.  I hope Lebron and KD duke it out for MVP for the next 5+ seasons.  This must be what Magic vs. Bird and Jordan vs. Malone felt like :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lebron GOAT)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 14, 2014, 01:50:30 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 14, 2014, 01:32:33 AM
This must be what Magic vs. Bird


A bit because there was serious debate over who was better at various stages of their career.


Quote from: BrandNew on February 14, 2014, 01:32:33 AM
and Jordan vs. Malone felt like :lawd

God No. Everybody knew Jordan was better and his teams were better.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Until the officials ignored that Jordan push off against Bryon Russell
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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 14, 2014, 03:46:35 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UANv_gXN44g&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lebron GOAT)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2014, 03:28:46 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on February 15, 2014, 03:23:41 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 14, 2014, 01:32:33 AM
KD answers Lebron with 43/7/12...with 19 in the 4th :noah

This shit is awesome.  I hope Lebron and KD duke it out for MVP for the next 5+ seasons.  This must be what Magic vs. Bird and Jordan vs. Malone felt like :lawd

No offense, but I hope your dick doesn't work for at least the last 20 years of your life.

You'd ruin his sister's life over this shit?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2014, 03:40:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ9RmAyTB4c

 :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lebron GOAT)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 15, 2014, 04:56:00 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on February 15, 2014, 03:23:41 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 14, 2014, 01:32:33 AM
KD answers Lebron with 43/7/12...with 19 in the 4th :noah

This shit is awesome.  I hope Lebron and KD duke it out for MVP for the next 5+ seasons.  This must be what Magic vs. Bird and Jordan vs. Malone felt like :lawd

No offense, but I hope your dick doesn't work for at least the last 20 years of your life.

 :umad just because lebron has outplayed Kobe for the last 5 seasons
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2014, 05:13:17 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2014, 03:40:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ9RmAyTB4c

 :lawd

oh shit  :lol

Too bad Obama can't just say "fuck it" and play.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 15, 2014, 07:45:25 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2014, 03:40:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ9RmAyTB4c

 :lawd

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UPpURcIIK4

:whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2014, 08:44:14 PM
His voice :rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 15, 2014, 09:01:56 PM
Wow wale

such terrible
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: etiolate on February 15, 2014, 10:32:12 PM
Dunk contest is scheduled to start after these commercials.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: etiolate on February 15, 2014, 10:53:46 PM
http://gofirstrowus.eu/watch/240300/3/watch-nba-all-star-night.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: etiolate on February 15, 2014, 11:00:50 PM
TRoss bringing out Drake. Instant L
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: Beezy on February 15, 2014, 11:17:35 PM
:bow John Wall :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: etiolate on February 15, 2014, 11:18:48 PM
Please hope there is another round where they have an actual dunk contest.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: Himu on February 15, 2014, 11:20:49 PM
This was fuckin hilarious.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: etiolate on February 16, 2014, 12:03:25 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHrQpuooZwo

D-league contest gets more fan reaction than NBA contest. WTG CORPORATE MERRIKKUH
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 16, 2014, 12:48:25 AM
quite possibly the worst dunk contest I've watched

ditch the team idea, force the best dunkers in the league to do it or forfeit being active the next few games after the all-star break

fuck these individual branding bullshit reasoning for not dunking.  I'm looking at you Lebron.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 16, 2014, 12:52:29 AM
The dunk contest hasn't been awesome in 20 years. Lebron can't change that.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 16, 2014, 12:53:11 AM
I haven't watched the dunk contest and the other stuff in years. It's so old hat it seems like a relic from decades ago.

The actual All-Star game is compelling enough for whatever reason to still draw my interest.

If the NBA really wanted to do fun stuff they would do 1 on 1 or 3 on 3 competitions. How fun would it be to watch Lebron go one on one against KD in a game of 21. Stuff like that. You would actually see some competitive stuff because their egos would be on the line.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 16, 2014, 12:54:47 AM
Hell, I'd settle for a game of HORSE.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 16, 2014, 01:05:12 AM
 I hope Adam Silver is open to change while he is a young guy and before he gets conservative which age tends to bring. That was the problem with Stern who was once a great commissioner but he got old an inevitably that tends to bring stagnation. The last good idea Stern had was like the Dream Team. The last 20 years were just trying to repeat old gimmicks and relive the past. And nothing typifies old gimmicks and the past like All-Star Weekend.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: Himu on February 16, 2014, 01:27:42 AM
The dunk competition was whack but it was still hilarious because they were corny as fuck.

Silver is increasing the age limit, Stoney. What say you?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 16, 2014, 02:00:07 AM
It's silly imo to waste time on the age limit thing. Not to mention I feel it is completely unfair. But whatever.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 16, 2014, 07:46:04 PM
I like the age limit change, although I'm coming more from the NCAA's perspective. Currently the one year rule really rewards questionable and downright corrupt recruiting practices, while ultimately isn'thelping programs actually develop; programs go out of their way to land guys for one year, then reload next year with an entirely new roster. Kentucky is basically the poster child for this shit, but it's happening at most major programs.

Not everyone is Julius Randle, Andrew Wiggins, or Jabari Parker: ie guys who could play in the NBA without college. I'd love to see all three of them back next season but obviously that's not going to happen. But for every Julius Randle there are 4-5 freshman who will go on a run in the conference or NCAA tournament, gain scout's attention, leave early, and become a bust.

The NBA isn't like the NFL where there are only a small group of guys 1-2 years out of high school who could play. Jadeveon Clowney is basically the exception to the rule; he genuinely could have played in the NFL this season, physically, but obviously had to wait because the underclassmen rules make no exceptions. There are a bunch of basketball players who seem like they can play in the NBA, and even more tall guys who get drafted for no other reason. And if I was a GM I'd prefer a system that helped my team avoid spending money on them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: etiolate on February 16, 2014, 08:02:13 PM
Don't know how I feel about age limit. I don't think its as important a change as moving away from the Machivalean culture would be. Address the officiating problem and start advertising the game of basketball rather than the superstar faces.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 16, 2014, 08:20:34 PM
I wonder if there are plans to return NBA basketball to evening slots on network TV. Even one Friday night ABC game would work.

Silver has said he wants the NBA's popularity to compete with the NFL's; obviously that's not going to happen, but having more games on at decent network evening times would make sense. The NFL is moving Thursday Night Football to CBS next season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 16, 2014, 08:23:31 PM
NBC should get both Sunday Monday and Thursday but of course that won't ever happen.  NBC's broadcasts are always the best.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: etiolate on February 16, 2014, 09:08:05 PM
ABC/ESPN's coverage has been horrible. They need to get out of that contract and get with a network that cares about having the NBA.

The problem is (again) the way they've been running the NBA has lead to the national audience only being aware of a handful of teams or players, so they struggle to do regular national network games because they can't have Miami/NY every week. When you have fun teams like Phoenix and Portland, but the national audience won't tune in to watch their games because your advertising strategy has obscured those teams then you've fucked up. Instead, you get awful Christmas games that longtime fans like myself had no interest in watching. I can't imagine the national audience gazed upon such ugly matchups with anymore enthusiasm then myself.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 16, 2014, 09:08:37 PM
Blake Griffin doe
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 16, 2014, 09:25:28 PM
I'm in the house. Hopped off Titanfall to watch this. Time tp start this liveblog
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 16, 2014, 09:28:23 PM
These uniforms are the worst thing I've ever seen.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 16, 2014, 09:32:42 PM
I don't mind the Easts.  The Wests are a little too bright for me.

Been Griffin v. Lebron so far.  East coast bench is straight bad.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 16, 2014, 09:34:04 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 16, 2014, 09:28:23 PM
These uniforms are the worst thing I've ever seen.

On reflection that Under Armour shoe commercial is the worst thing I've ever seen. That was quick.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 16, 2014, 09:53:56 PM
I wouldn't mind something radical like the conference who wins the All-Star game gets home court advantage in the finals.  I normally hate gimmick stuff like that but I actually think it might help make the game entertaining outside of the 4th quarter. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 16, 2014, 10:04:43 PM
This half time show is too uncharacteristically talented for an All-Star game. Where are the flavor of the month rappers!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 16, 2014, 10:12:29 PM
All joking aside that was a very nice half time performance. Already the Silver age is better than the Stern age.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 16, 2014, 10:23:04 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 16, 2014, 10:04:43 PM
This half time show is too uncharacteristically talented for an All-Star game. Where are the flavor of the month rappers!

If you're hating on King Kendrick Lamar then :pacspit
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 16, 2014, 11:13:15 PM
actually a really great game.  KD playing off the chain, Griffin coming out as a for sure super star as well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 16, 2014, 11:15:44 PM
also kyrie looks like he's trying harder tonight then any regular cav game

that dude is gone
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 16, 2014, 11:24:39 PM
As usual it picked up in the 4th quarter. Nice games by Kyrie and Carmelo.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 16, 2014, 11:26:47 PM
Kyrie and Lebron together looked really nice  :larry

Amnesty Wade, sign Kyrie
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 16, 2014, 11:32:39 PM
adamn silver looks like pinky from animaniacs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: benjipwns on February 17, 2014, 09:19:15 PM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152667269822516&set=a.10152250140772516.1073741836.52974817515&type=1

Quote
Mike Townsend
I feel like this might hurt our tanking efforts. Kid's got a better stroke than most of our wings.
37 · 2 hours ago
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Samuel Heron
He's already done more then Bynum ever did as a Sixer
67 · 2 hours ago
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: benjipwns on February 17, 2014, 11:07:58 PM
Quote
The Memphis Grizzlies are discussing a deal with the Minnesota Timberwolves centered on forward Chase Budinger and guard J.J. Barea, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

Memphis wants to include forward Tayshaun Prince into the package and the deal could be expanded to include guard Tony Allen, league sources told Yahoo Sports. Components of a proposed deal are still fluid.
Quote
Source said Sacramento offered Isaiah Thomas, Ben McLemore and two picks for Rajon Rondo. Rondo wasn’t interested in re-signing with Sacramento.
Quote
The Brooklyn Nets are interested in acquiring Cavaliers point guard Jarrett Jack and have had discussions about a potential trade with Cleveland involving Jason Terry, according to sources briefed on the talks.
Quote
Atlanta Hawks point guard Jeff Teague has emerged as an appealing trade target for the New York Knicks, sources with knowledge of the situation told ESPN.com.

Sources told ESPN.com that the Knicks, leading into Thursday's 3 p.m. ET trade deadline, are calling all over the league in an attempt to upgrade at point guard.
Quote
Source said New Orleans could be trading guard Austin Rivers and the rights to hot-scoring D-League guard Pierre Jackson.
Quote
Los Angeles, Brooklyn have discussed Jordan Hill deal into the Nets' Disabled Player Exception, league sources tell Yahoo
Didn't realize the trade deadline was so close.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: etiolate on February 17, 2014, 11:44:58 PM
That Boston/Sac rumor is the same one Bill Simmons made up, so I have a feeling its rather bogus.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 18, 2014, 01:57:06 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10473042/lamar-odom-make-comeback-spain

 :comeon
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on February 18, 2014, 06:23:58 AM
Quote from: etiolate on February 17, 2014, 11:44:58 PM
That Boston/Sac rumor is the same one Bill Simmons made up, so I have a feeling its rather bogus.

I wouldn't do Rondo for Thomas straight up. Maybe if Boston added a pick
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 18, 2014, 01:34:26 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10474968/kevin-durant-oklahoma-city-thunder-wants-called-servant


uh....No.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kevin Durant is "The Butler")
Post by: Mandark on February 18, 2014, 02:52:23 PM
How about The Gentleman's Gentleman?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star Weekend)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 18, 2014, 07:10:45 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 18, 2014, 01:57:06 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10473042/lamar-odom-make-comeback-spain

 :comeon

Seems like that will go over well in Oklahoma at least.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kevin Durant is "The Butler")
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 18, 2014, 10:19:54 PM
Mavs versus Heat. Close game at the moment.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kevin Durant is "The Butler")
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 18, 2014, 10:47:53 PM
Miami pulling away. Lebron has been killer. 40 pts. 15 of 22.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kevin Durant is "The Butler")
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 19, 2014, 01:02:55 AM
MVP race still on ya'll.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kevin Durant is "The Butler")
Post by: Your Stalker on February 19, 2014, 01:03:27 AM
lots of spurs fans at staples center
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kevin Durant is "The Butler")
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 19, 2014, 01:56:31 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlLW7tTclX8
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kevin Durant is "The Butler")
Post by: Brehvolution on February 19, 2014, 08:56:37 AM
Cuban  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kevin Durant is "The Butler")
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 19, 2014, 11:56:05 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10481889/luol-deng-made-available-cleveland-cavaliers-ahead-nba-trade-deadline

And this is the franchise idiots thought Lebron James should stay attached to.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kevin Durant is "The Butler")
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 19, 2014, 12:04:48 PM
Come to Miami Deng :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kevin Durant is "The Butler")
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 19, 2014, 04:29:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ahscNUxNzk

Very nice interview with hibbert. Dude is a lot more analytical than I expected.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VoQ_kTludA

Noah was also funny as usual.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kevin Durant is "The Butler")
Post by: etiolate on February 19, 2014, 06:08:01 PM
Quote
David AldridgeVerified account
‏@daldridgetnt
Nets, Kings complete trade of Marcus Thenron for Jason Terry and Reggie Evans. No picks involved.

Okay?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kevin Durant is "The Butler")
Post by: benjipwns on February 19, 2014, 08:48:36 PM
Might be being bought out.
Quote
Here's Malone's response to being asked about the possibility of Terry never playing a game for the Sacramento Kings.

"No I wouldn't...I'm not going there right now. He's gonna come in and he's and we'll have a chance to sit and get to know each other and be with the team and practice. But my main thing moving forward is Ben McLemore. And that's no disrespect to anybody, but we drafted Ben seventh and it's been an up and down season for him at times. But with these last 29 games, there's no pressure on this team. I want us to play together, I want us to play the right way. I want us to have fun and I also want to have a great opportunity to see Ben, Ray (McCallum), Carl (Landry) and Derrick (Williams). Especially to see what they're able to do with the last 29 games."
Quote
Kings coach Michael Malone: "My message to the whole team was stop looking at Hoops Hype."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kevin Durant is "The Butler")
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 19, 2014, 09:51:53 PM
Steve Blake to the Warriors.  Tank so hard, Lakers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kevin Durant is "The Butler")
Post by: etiolate on February 19, 2014, 10:11:25 PM
lol Hoops Hype

Kings finally commit to tank. You may have thought they were tanking before, but it was really just dysfunctional lineup and a bad time to  have injuries.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kevin Durant is "The Butler")
Post by: benjipwns on February 19, 2014, 10:14:50 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 19, 2014, 09:51:53 PM
Steve Blake to the Warriors.  Tank so hard, Lakers.
Lakers got the better of that deal:
Quote
The Lakers will get Kent Bazemore and MarShon Brooks from the Warriors, sources told ESPN.com.
Massive upgrade to bench celebrations.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kevin Durant is "The Butler")
Post by: benjipwns on February 19, 2014, 10:20:41 PM
Just two so far, deadline is 3PM tomorrow:
Quote
The Brooklyn Nets have traded Jason Terry and Reggie Evans to the Sacramento Kings for Marcus Thornton.
Quote
Lakers guard Steve Blake has been traded to the Golden State Warriors for a pair of reserve shooting guards.

The Lakers will get Kent Bazemore and MarShon Brooks from the Warriors, sources told ESPN.com.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kevin Durant is "The Butler")
Post by: etiolate on February 19, 2014, 10:21:32 PM
yeah that's a good deal for the Lakers
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kevin Durant is "The Butler")
Post by: benjipwns on February 19, 2014, 11:56:01 PM
Well, at least you have a hobby.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kevin Durant is "The Butler")
Post by: Your Stalker on February 20, 2014, 12:29:47 AM
so asik finally decided he felt like playing again huh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Thunder versus Heat tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 20, 2014, 12:48:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9VIeTggHW8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E55xJq1hz-0
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Thunder versus Heat tonight)
Post by: benjipwns on February 20, 2014, 06:17:26 PM
Deadline deals:
Quote
The Philadelphia 76ers traded center Spencer Hawes to the Cleveland Cavaliers for forward Earl Clark, center Henry Sims and two second-round picks.

The Miami Heat sent guard Roger Mason Jr. and cash to the Sacramento Kings for a "highly protected" second-round pick.

The Milwaukee Bucks shipped guards Gary Neal and Luke Ridnour to the Charlotte Bobcats in return for guard Ramon Sessions and forward Jeff Adrien.

The Golden State Warriors received guard Steve Blake from the Los Angeles Lakers for guards Kent Bazemore and MarShon Brooks.

The Washington Wizards received veteran guard Andre Miller from the Denver Nuggets for forward Jan Vesely. A third team, the Philadelphia 76ers, acquired Washington guard Eric Maynor and two second-round picks in the deal.

The Houston Rockets picked up forward Jordan Hamilton from the Denver Nuggets for point guard Aaron Brooks.

The San Antonio Spurs dealt guard Nando De Colo to the Toronto Raptors for forward Austin Daye.

The Atlanta Hawks received forward Antawn Jamison and cash from the Los Angeles Clippers for the draft rights to Cenk Akoyl (the 59th pick in 2005)

The Indiana Pacers acquired guard-forward Evan Turner and forward Lavoy Allen from the Philadelphia 76ers for veteran forward Danny Granger.

The Los Angeles Clippers sent forward Byron Mullens and a future second-round pick to the Philadelphia 76ers for a conditional second-round pick.
And Jason Collins is apparently going to sign with the Nets.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Thunder versus Heat tonight)
Post by: etiolate on February 20, 2014, 06:29:20 PM
so many deals
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Thunder versus Heat tonight)
Post by: Shadow Mod on February 20, 2014, 06:57:10 PM
blazers last night:

how pass ball
shot clock is 10 sec right
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Thunder versus Heat tonight)
Post by: etiolate on February 20, 2014, 07:55:02 PM
Outside of the Turner/Granger deal, it seems all the big moves are going to be the buyout signings after the deadline. I think Miller will help the Wizards, but every other move just seems like busywork to balance accounts.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Thunder versus Heat tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 20, 2014, 08:06:37 PM
And the live blogging begins.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Thunder versus Heat tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 20, 2014, 08:14:09 PM
Quote from: etiolate on February 20, 2014, 07:55:02 PM
Outside of the Turner/Granger deal, it seems all the big moves are going to be the buyout signings after the deadline. I think Miller will help the Wizards, but every other move just seems like busywork to balance accounts.

I think the Evan Turner move for the Pacers was significant and will trigger one of these buyout signings you mentioned from Miami.

I like how aggressive the Pacers have been. They are all in. They want the title this season and left nothing on the table.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Thunder versus Heat tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 20, 2014, 08:21:56 PM
Lebron coming out hot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Thunder versus Heat tonight)
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 20, 2014, 08:24:28 PM
Lebron goddamn
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Thunder versus Heat tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 20, 2014, 08:30:58 PM
Sadly none of this matters. The Heat give up leads like nobody's business.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Thunder versus Heat tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 20, 2014, 08:44:38 PM
Other than Battier's awful looking jump shots the Heat couldn't have played that first quarter any better.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Thunder versus Heat tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 20, 2014, 09:08:47 PM
And right on cue here comes the usual Miami big letdown.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Thunder versus Heat tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 20, 2014, 09:21:51 PM
So many careless Miami turnovers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Thunder versus Heat tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 20, 2014, 09:51:34 PM
Durant not on tonight. Miami comes out hot again to start the 3rd quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Thunder versus Heat tonight)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 20, 2014, 10:01:01 PM
Lebron the GOAT.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Thunder versus Heat tonight)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 20, 2014, 10:10:09 PM
KD getting his fouls.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Thunder versus Heat tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 20, 2014, 10:13:35 PM
Ugly third quarter. Too much iso from both teams that quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Thunder versus Heat tonight)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 20, 2014, 10:17:15 PM
holy shit what a block
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Thunder versus Heat tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 20, 2014, 10:19:53 PM
Such a weird game. Miami is the one who usually starts off games and quarters slowly.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Thunder versus Heat tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 20, 2014, 10:34:51 PM
Unfortunate whack there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Thunder versus Heat tonight)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 20, 2014, 10:37:07 PM
Looks like a busted nose.  He should be okay but he's probably not coming back
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 21, 2014, 02:10:06 AM
https://vine.co/v/MZEqM9hmLie
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on February 21, 2014, 03:08:30 AM
EAD Houston
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Shadow Mod on February 21, 2014, 03:11:36 AM
Quote from: etiolate on February 21, 2014, 02:10:06 AM
https://vine.co/v/MZEqM9hmLie

I watched the full clip and the guy goes up for another shot for some reason too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 21, 2014, 03:12:40 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvAEhvasHNM

Damn. I should have watched the second game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 21, 2014, 03:25:13 AM
Jermaine  :o
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 21, 2014, 06:37:41 PM
Neat article in the latest ESPN mag* about how/why Monta Ellis is working for the Mavericks. Basically the point was that the Mavs are uniquely structured to where you can insert a player like that and take advantage of the things he does do well without the problems taking too much away. A big factor being that Dirk drops back on pick and rolls, so teams have to stop Monta from driving (which he's pretty elite at) and also stop him from getting the ball back to Dirk or one of their other shooters. Plus that Calderon is a pretty good backcourt mate for him because he's so efficient and doesn't require the ball (really much of the team is like that), but can still "run" things without clashing in a way that derails the team.

*I got like three years for five bucks or something just for Insider ages ago plus one dollar re-ups, the magazine is usually pretty trash. And I'll never understand why they made it so large.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 22, 2014, 08:02:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IRONhe3m6Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz76RUiQecg

 :mynicca COACH SHEEEEEEEEEED  :mynicca
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on February 23, 2014, 06:52:49 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoyMK6wTxCs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 23, 2014, 12:41:41 PM
Wiz played the Pelicans last night, and I think it was the first full game I've seen of Anthony Davis.  Jeeeeeee-zus.  Everybody clear your 2020 cap space.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 23, 2014, 01:18:32 PM
except the Wizards, Cavs, and Pistons, because nobody is going there willingly.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 23, 2014, 01:27:03 PM
What are you talking about?  The Pistons landed a marquee free agent just this past offseason!

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:sabu
[close]
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 23, 2014, 04:27:23 PM
He'll be a Laker and I'll be sad
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 23, 2014, 08:41:12 PM
Cavs 2-18 from the three. 11 points in the final q.


 :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 24, 2014, 04:18:23 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/CdSmitk.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: HiResDes on February 24, 2014, 08:39:22 PM
Goddamn Iggy is so sexy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 24, 2014, 11:34:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXF6vE4L_j8

 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on February 25, 2014, 06:34:48 AM
https://vine.co/v/MmPmtDYxX9X
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Fifstar on February 25, 2014, 08:14:46 AM
Dirk said that shot was so ugly he could hardly celebrate it  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 25, 2014, 01:42:48 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10515777/sacramento-kings-nearing-buyout-jimmer-fredette
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 25, 2014, 02:02:28 PM
pls dumars

sign him, for PD
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2014, 05:15:15 PM
6 years, $60 million. Cut the check Dumars.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 27, 2014, 02:41:36 AM
https://twitter.com/billclinton/status/438816675228442624

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bhb9cPECYAElwyn.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 27, 2014, 05:13:24 PM
I remember reading a SI profile on Popovich last year that noted he's a hardcore liberal, had the team watch the 2012 debates, and discusses global politics deep into the night with Manu Ginobili.

I wish Pop posted here :tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 27, 2014, 09:35:58 PM
Pop is the goat
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 28, 2014, 12:51:03 AM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SqH8c1VtyEM/Uw_9RZt6aWI/AAAAAAAADP0/K-VPvolnMkI/s1600/1.gif)

holy fucking shit

Lebron Literally Bane James

awesome-o's testicles are shriveled
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 28, 2014, 01:10:34 AM
The insane bit for Lebron's season is that he has increased his FG% yet again from the already stupid numbers he had last year. No one puts up FG% numbers like this in this era unless they are Shaq or some inside player who only dunks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 28, 2014, 01:16:50 AM
3 straight games with 30+ points on 65%+ shooting
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2014, 01:48:02 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 27, 2014, 05:13:24 PM
I remember reading a SI profile on Popovich ... had the team watch the 2012 debates
I remember hearing this every single time I play against the Spurs in 2K.

And since I'm the Kings it's a miracle when I don't hear the discussion about how you put up with a Cousins because he's so talented. Or how SACRAMENTO NATIVE KEVIN JOHNSON kept the team in town.

But it just feels wrong to play without the commentary on. fml
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 28, 2014, 01:54:35 AM
Why would you play the Kings?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 28, 2014, 02:01:11 AM
If it's franchise mode, you always start with a losing team with some young talent and build from there.  Only way to play.


edit: In FIFA, the problem is if you take a low league team, the commentators don't even have custom banter for them.  "The visiting team has been struggling, what do you think of that?"
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2014, 02:46:51 AM
Quote from: Mandark on February 28, 2014, 02:01:11 AM
If it's franchise mode, you always start with a losing team with some young talent and build from there.  Only way to play.
Exactly. Especially, if I'm actually going to play instead of sim on my laptop to kill time.

I picked the Kings because they have a seemingly mega superstar plus a bunch of young players who simply don't play up to what seems like should be their potential level. Bobcats and a team I now forget were the others I considered. After realizing that the Kings were basically a team full of tweeners at almost every position I locked in with them.

In any case, I always start clearing out the bad contracts, Jason Thompson's the only one I still have really because I made him a poor man's Marcus Camby and don't really know what to move him for at this point.

Just got offered Bledsoe so I had to take it (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnFHT-BqgIfddGNqamhNb2dyWXRZbG9DYUF6MUhoT3c&usp=sharing#gid=0), the guys below are the ones I traded away or for, since the game only gives you season totals and I wanted to split out their time with the Kings. Cousins has been hurt for like the last ten games so I've only been playing him ten minutes or so.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 28, 2014, 02:59:44 AM
That's oddly like the real season, except Cousins has been hurt and butthurt for the past 10 games or so.

Is that Dorell Wright on your roster?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2014, 03:04:20 AM
Brandan, the Mavs offered him and Marion for John Salmons for some reason, and Frye came with Bledsoe and I had sent Chuck Hayes for Koufos before the season so I went from having just Cousins and Landry really to having way too many useful bigs now.

And Terrence Williams rescued off the scrap heap, where I discovered he's beyond OP ratings wise.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 28, 2014, 03:17:07 AM
Terrence would be a great complimentary wing player IRL if it wasn't for his off-court mess. He outplayed Tyreke Evans in his short stint with the Kings, but was let go because apparently he was a fucking mess. So I'm not surprised he's good in 2k.  He's sort of like what would have happened to Lance Stephenson without Larry Bird.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 01, 2014, 12:55:17 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/10535429/nba-asks-lebron-james-miami-heat-wear-clear-mask-protect-broken-nose

What a boring ass fuddy duddy league. Silver can we please leave behind this old school anything that is different or stylish must be knocked down attitude. sigh.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: pilonv1 on March 01, 2014, 01:40:12 AM
They did the same to Kyrie last year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2014, 09:35:33 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 28, 2014, 01:16:50 AM
3 straight games with 30+ points on 65%+ shooting
Shoot 65% due to only taking uncontested layups, dunks, and short jump shots brehs. I'd love to see LeBron play in the 90s/meet Charles Oakley in the paint.

Back me up, Shinobi
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 01, 2014, 01:13:33 PM
:pacspit
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 01, 2014, 03:51:56 PM
Quote from: pilonv1 on March 01, 2014, 01:40:12 AM
They did the same to Kyrie last year.

I know. Ultimately its a very minor thing and who really cares but as long as the league continues to knee jerk about such things reflexively, they will never be the type of league that has actual innovative thinking. They would rather push sleeved jerseys and work feverishly to protect some idealized "image" they are trying to push.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2014, 08:13:18 PM
Quote
Isiah Thomas will be back in Auburn Hills at the end of the month to help the Pistons commemorate the 25th anniversary of their first championship team. And we’re hearing that he could be in line to return to the team, a few months after the weekend festivities, for a permanent gig. League sources say that Pistons owner Tom Gores is seriously thinking of making what has been a long-overdue, front-office shakeup after the season, with Thomas recently emerging as a top candidate to take over the role of the team’s top basketball executive from his former backcourt mate, Joe Dumars.
...
His tenure is expected to end when his contract runs out this spring. “Gores is definitely looking at Isiah to replace Joe,” one league source said.
:piss >:( :( :yuck :-X :-\ :'( :duh :wtf :gloomy :dizzy :usacry :wag :piss2

 :goty2 :fbm :mindblown :dead :what :snoop :picard :goty
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 01, 2014, 08:24:22 PM
:lol :lol :lol :lol

be careful what you wish for PD
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2014, 11:05:27 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 01, 2014, 08:13:18 PM
Quote
Isiah Thomas will be back in Auburn Hills at the end of the month to help the Pistons commemorate the 25th anniversary of their first championship team. And we’re hearing that he could be in line to return to the team, a few months after the weekend festivities, for a permanent gig. League sources say that Pistons owner Tom Gores is seriously thinking of making what has been a long-overdue, front-office shakeup after the season, with Thomas recently emerging as a top candidate to take over the role of the team’s top basketball executive from his former backcourt mate, Joe Dumars.
...
His tenure is expected to end when his contract runs out this spring. “Gores is definitely looking at Isiah to replace Joe,” one league source said.
:piss >:( :( :yuck :-X :-\ :'( :duh :wtf :gloomy :dizzy :usacry :wag :piss2

 :goty2 :fbm :mindblown :dead :what :snoop :picard :goty

(http://imageshack.com/a/img268/3945/ccld.png)

I could at least become a fan again regardless of who replaces Dumars, but I would lose my dignity.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 02, 2014, 06:05:55 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2014, 11:05:27 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 01, 2014, 08:13:18 PM
Quote
Isiah Thomas will be back in Auburn Hills at the end of the month to help the Pistons commemorate the 25th anniversary of their first championship team. And we’re hearing that he could be in line to return to the team, a few months after the weekend festivities, for a permanent gig. League sources say that Pistons owner Tom Gores is seriously thinking of making what has been a long-overdue, front-office shakeup after the season, with Thomas recently emerging as a top candidate to take over the role of the team’s top basketball executive from his former backcourt mate, Joe Dumars.
...
His tenure is expected to end when his contract runs out this spring. “Gores is definitely looking at Isiah to replace Joe,” one league source said.
:piss >:( :( :yuck :-X :-\ :'( :duh :wtf :gloomy :dizzy :usacry :wag :piss2

 :goty2 :fbm :mindblown :dead :what :snoop :picard :goty

(http://imageshack.com/a/img268/3945/ccld.png)

I could at least become a fan again regardless of who replaces Dumars, but I would lose my dignity.

and your draft picks!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 03, 2014, 06:10:39 PM
http://archive.indystar.com/article/20140228/SPORTS04/302280071/1062/SPORTS04

Article about Bynum.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2014, 07:53:06 PM
good lord, my favorite sports show (Valenti and Foster!) made it sound like the Isiah Thomas rumors aren't actually rumors - it's solid. Doesn't mean it's going to happen, but they're seriously exploring the possibility.

save us, Bill Lambier.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on March 03, 2014, 09:58:09 PM
Lebron scores 61 on 22/33 shooting. MVP race is solidly back to a two man race.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 03, 2014, 10:37:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD-67jlsY9I

 :mynicca
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 06, 2014, 05:33:42 PM
Spurs versus Heat tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 06, 2014, 05:54:28 PM
MULTIPLE SOURCES: http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/10562283/joakim-noah-recruits-carmelo-anthony-new-york-knicks-join-chicago-bulls
Quote
Joakim Noah wants to win a ring. To help him achieve that goal, he wants Carmelo Anthony on the Chicago Bulls.

That's why Noah, Chicago's center, approached Anthony over All-Star Weekend last month about joining the Bulls, according to sources with knowledge of the conversation.

The sources said Noah told Anthony something to this effect: You can go to Los Angeles, but if you really want a ring, if you really want your legacy to be about winning, you should come to Chicago.

Anthony responded by telling Noah that he admires how hard the Bulls play and how hungry they are. Anthony also told Noah, according to the sources, that Derrick Rose is his son's favorite player.

The conversation between Anthony and Noah started as a discussion about what it's like to play for Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau. With rumors about Chicago going after Anthony as well as about Thibodeau possibly coaching the New York Knicks next season, Anthony wanted to know about Thibodeau.

From there, the discussion turned to Noah telling Anthony he should join the Bulls.

Meanwhile, in Sacramento: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10562429/sacramento-kings-sign-royce-white-10-day-deal
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 06, 2014, 05:57:15 PM
they're sending White to D-League.

The thought of him on a team with Cousins and Reggie Evans is hilarious.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on March 06, 2014, 07:16:27 PM
This season has been so fucking shitty that just about every Knicks fan I know agrees that Melo should leave us for a real contender.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 06, 2014, 10:30:17 PM
One of those nights. Miami looked like crap tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 07, 2014, 04:56:46 AM
Quote
James partly blamed the jersey for his off shooting night in the Miami Heat's 111-87 loss to the San Antonio Spurs on Thursday. James was 6-of-18 shooting in the game, his second-worst shooting night of the season.

"I'm not making excuses, but I'm not a big fans of the jerseys," said James, who had 19 points. "Every time I shoot it feels like it's just pulling right up underneath my arm. I already don't have much room for error on my jump shot. It's definitely not a good thing."

James said it affects him on long-range shots especially 3-pointers. He was quick to point out that it bothered him on Christmas Day, when he wore a short-sleeved jersey and shot 0-of-4 from 3-point range in a win over the Los Angeles Lakers, and during the All-Star Game last month, when he was 0-of-7 on 3-pointers in a sleeved jersey.
Excuses. Kobe would never make excuses like this, that's why he had 81 instead of merely 61.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on March 08, 2014, 10:15:35 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtE3_voC3qU
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2014, 11:38:08 AM
Durant will never win a title. The based god is never wrong.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 09, 2014, 03:51:31 PM
That's Lebron's 3rd stinker in a row after the 61 point game.  (
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Technically the Houston game wasn't a stinker I suppose but the last two certainly were. )
[close]

 :gurl

They've also wasted any opportunity to put distance between them and the Pacers who are also slumping at the moment.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 10, 2014, 12:29:18 AM
Both Miami and Indy sucking big time lately.

On the other end dem Bulls and Raptors.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Raptors and Bulls kicking ass)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 10, 2014, 01:21:54 AM
Noah has always been the heart of the Bulls.  No matter how bad the Bulls are on paper, they fucking DO THINGS. Thibs and Noah should never be broken up.  Bring in Melo to make the starting five next year be:

1) Rose
2) Augustin
3) Melo
4) Butler
5) Noah

That team with Thibs would be a force.  Make it happen Chicago
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Raptors and Bulls kicking ass)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 10, 2014, 01:36:38 AM
Just to put things in perspective the Raptors were 7-12 (.368) before the Rudy Gay Trade.

Now they are 35-26 (.574)


The Pacers have been 21-12 since Jan 1. Which is okay but way off the pace they were on prior to that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Raptors and Bulls kicking ass)
Post by: Mandark on March 10, 2014, 01:39:13 AM
I hope Rose can finally get healthy.  We should all get to see a few prime Thibs/Noah/Rose Bulls seasons.

Was hoping the Wiz could gun for the 3 seed, but the Bulls and Raps are too tough.  Then Nene went down and I was worried about them dropping to a 7/8 seed and a first round death sentence against Miami or Indiana, but the rest of the East is too awful.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Raptors and Bulls kicking ass)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 10, 2014, 11:44:48 PM
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/10583166/looks-phil-jackson-take-new-york-knicks-job
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Raptors and Bulls kicking ass)
Post by: Mandark on March 11, 2014, 12:00:55 AM
Good on Phil if he wants to be involved in the NBA and live in New York, but what an awful situation.  If Carmelo leaves you've got a terrible roster that's still over the cap next year.  If he stays you've got a bad roster that's well into the luxury tax, and you don't have first round picks in 2014 or 2016, or a second round pick for the next... (checking) four years?  Jesus.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Raptors and Bulls kicking ass)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 11, 2014, 10:40:57 AM
Blake doing the Mailman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhpmzpxH7uI
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Raptors and Bulls kicking ass)
Post by: etiolate on March 11, 2014, 08:02:49 PM
He's been doing the mailman for years.

Losing in the first round of the playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Raptors and Bulls kicking ass)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 12, 2014, 05:44:26 PM
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/10594350/kobe-bryant-los-angeles-lakers-rest-season

The obvious.

Also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm64Uvf-Wbg
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Raptors and Bulls kicking ass)
Post by: Steve Contra on March 12, 2014, 05:47:16 PM
Contract looking better everyday (for Kobe of course, Awesome-o suiciding)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Raptors and Bulls kicking ass)
Post by: benjipwns on March 12, 2014, 05:55:47 PM
Why would Kobe come back this season? :lol

Quote
Beto Duran: Does Kobe have patience to wait for future free agents? "NO. Not one lick...oh lets just go into next year and suck. Nope" Twitter

David Brickley: Kobe on Changes: "I can't comment too much on that. I just want a phone call when someone gets traded. Lets start there." Twitter @DavidjBrickley

Mike Trudell: Kobe on what was going through his head w/t blowout to the Clippers. "Now I know what it feels like to be a Clippers fan all these years." Twitter @LakersReporter

Mike Bresnahan: D'Antoni also reiterated comments from last week that Nash is pretty much done for the season, too. Twitter @Mike_Bresnahan

Bryant, sources said, has “no interest” in playing for D’Antoni next season, and wants a new coach in place for the ’14-’15 season. Sporting News

Mike Bresnahan: Kobe wants Jim and Jeanie Buss to figure out their strained relationship. He's not happy to continually be left out of Lakers' future plans. Twitter @Mike_Bresnahan
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 12, 2014, 07:04:52 PM
keep gettin' dem checks mamba
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 12, 2014, 11:10:54 PM
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/10596904/kobe-bryant-magic-johnson-challenge-los-angeles-lakers-management

I love the idea of "calling out" management when they just royally over-paid you. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 12, 2014, 11:18:05 PM
Eh.  Dude obviously wants to win one more and retire as a Laker, so he cares about all facets of the team.  He wanted his money, as poor a decision as it was, but he also wants the organization to do the right things around him while he's still in the league.  Don't really fault him.

They're not doing dick though.  Kobe won't ever smell the playoffs again, calling it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 12, 2014, 11:21:11 PM
I would argue the right thing is not handcuffing themselves just to satisfy Kobe Bryant but they are way too far down that road now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 12, 2014, 11:29:48 PM
Well right, obviously.  But Kobe would never consider that notion or truth.  The Lakers are Kobe and company to him.  And really, its hard to argue with him in that regard.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 12, 2014, 11:36:39 PM
The thing is I don't even get what he is bitching about. I assume he is mad about the rumours that the Lakers don't want Carmelo Anthony and would rather wait for Kevin Love (which personally makes more sense to me especially since Kobe's contract would end at that point)

But what is he bitching about currently? Yeah the team stinks. Everybody knew it would stink. Especially with him gone. And that's actually a good thing. They get a good draft pick and free agency is still coming so nothing has even been decided there. This ultimately seems to be some sort of power struggle thing. Like when he whined about not being consulted on the Steve Blake trade as if Steve Blake is some important cog to the future of the Lakers. It's not Kobe's team. It's not Magic's team. It's those Buss kid's team. Just because they are willing to over-pay Kobe that aspect isn't going to change.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 13, 2014, 01:23:01 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLiX540F2QU&feature=youtu.be

 :dayum

Real Talk: Blake Griffin is the third best power forward in the game right now after his leap this year, and I'd argue a top 10 player in total.  Averaging a double double this season with much better passing and, fuck, a developing jumpshot.  If the Clippers go far this year, its because of Griffin, not Paul.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 13, 2014, 01:46:30 AM
nicca I was fucking complimenting him  :sabu  It's not his fucking fault the Buss kids have no idea how to run a team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2014, 12:09:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f60uvx2v_Ys
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2014, 06:21:05 PM
(http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/visual/whatshot/joe-dumars.jpg)

 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 14, 2014, 06:27:29 PM
I'd imagine two 6'9 small forwards are on the line.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 14, 2014, 06:47:16 PM
So he's probably calling himself?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 14, 2014, 10:55:10 PM
So if nobody's noticed, Miami is playing like complete and utter shit for quite awhile now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on March 14, 2014, 11:17:48 PM
i hope they keep it up through the playoffs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 16, 2014, 02:33:07 PM
Rockets versus Heat at 3:30
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 16, 2014, 02:34:22 PM
that'll certainly be a shitshow with how the heat are playing lately
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 16, 2014, 05:18:31 PM
No matter who wins here Miami looks so flawed now. They are no longer generating the same great shots in the half court offense they were last year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 16, 2014, 05:53:11 PM
stoney worrying about the heat makes the heat play great.  I'm okay with this

Ray Allen has been clutch today
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 17, 2014, 07:08:45 PM

http://allball.blogs.nba.com/2014/03/17/check-out-this-amazing-pregame-video-projection-from-the-cavaliers/

That's pretty cool.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 17, 2014, 10:10:37 PM
That is pretty cool
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 18, 2014, 08:17:25 PM
You know what's pretty cool?  Lebron has 31 in the first half alone :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 19, 2014, 11:44:09 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAPTXBwxPGY

all dem cutters   :whoo
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 19, 2014, 04:44:37 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1995960-dwyane-wade-trainer-tim-grover-reveals-full-story-of-heat-stars-injury-recovery
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 19, 2014, 09:39:50 PM
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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 20, 2014, 12:04:55 AM
NBA passing diagram:  http://i.imgur.com/2dmVXGr.jpg
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 20, 2014, 12:29:39 AM
Griffin and Paul :lawd

Love and Rubio :lawd

Interesting two guard dynamic the Mavs have developed.

also goddamn, no one fucking scores on passes on the Thunder other than Durant.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 20, 2014, 12:45:56 AM
John Wall's assisted on 40+% of Ariza's baskets, which is the highest rate in the league between two teammates.

Also, part of it may be the amount of time they spend on the floor together, but yeesh, New Orleans seems to have some iso going on.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 20, 2014, 01:15:44 AM
Bucks aren't much better.

Nets are almost absurdly balanced.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 20, 2014, 02:34:32 AM
Quote from: Mandark on March 20, 2014, 12:45:56 AM
John Wall's assisted on 40+% of Ariza's baskets, which is the highest rate in the league between two teammates.

Also, part of it may be the amount of time they spend on the floor together, but yeesh, New Orleans seems to have some iso going on.

It's called Tyreke Evans.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 20, 2014, 09:15:03 PM
Quote
Asked if President Obama could make the roster of the Los Angeles Lakers, Kobe Bryant said almost immediately, "yes, he could, actually," Sports Illustrated reports.

Said Bryant: "That's not a diss to the current roster that we have, its more of a sign of respect of the skill that the president possesses."

 :hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 21, 2014, 12:36:03 AM
Specifically, Obama could take Bryant's spot.  Their contracts both run through 2016, Obama carries a much lower cap hit, and he's got a better track record health-wise.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Obama signing with Lakers. Replaces decrepit Steve Nash)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 21, 2014, 05:46:26 PM
Duke upset in first round :dead

Jabari Parker with a poor performance. A few months ago I would have said Parker was definitely going to the NBA, but after this...dunno. We'll see.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Obama signing with Lakers. Replaces decrepit Steve Nash)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 22, 2014, 12:10:22 AM
http://instagram.com/p/l0tMKBEMho/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Obama signing with Lakers. Replaces decrepit Steve Nash)
Post by: Your Stalker on March 22, 2014, 12:28:36 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tHJzPfqENw
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Obama signing with Lakers. Replaces decrepit Steve Nash)
Post by: etiolate on March 22, 2014, 12:31:04 AM
Royce White just got the first NBA minutes of his career.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Obama signing with Lakers. Replaces decrepit Steve Nash)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 22, 2014, 12:32:13 AM
Lebron had a pretty awful night.

Still think the MVP race is neck and neck.  KD a slight edge after tonight obviously.  If Lebron can get the Heat to overtake the Pacers for the 1 seed I could see Lebron winning it again, but I'm sure Lebron will be playing fewer and fewer minutes the closer we get to the middle of April.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Obama signing with Lakers. Replaces decrepit Steve Nash)
Post by: Your Stalker on March 22, 2014, 12:43:01 AM
So is Chuckbrick dead again?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Obama signing with Lakers. Replaces decrepit Steve Nash)
Post by: benjipwns on March 22, 2014, 09:02:00 PM
http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2014/03/gay-man-claims-he-catfished-paul-george-into-sending-naked-pics/

 :hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Obama signing with Lakers. Replaces decrepit Steve Nash)
Post by: Your Stalker on March 22, 2014, 09:05:26 PM
he passin up black chicks but not black dudes
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Obama signing with Lakers. Replaces decrepit Steve Nash)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 23, 2014, 12:32:54 AM
Lebron has zero chance of winning the MVP. The late season nose dive the Heat are still on has ensured that. They've looked like crap for weeks now.


And Durant actually deserves it more anyway based on his quality of play.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Obama signing with Lakers. Replaces decrepit Steve Nash)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 23, 2014, 12:56:35 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on March 22, 2014, 09:32:46 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 22, 2014, 12:32:13 AM
Lebron had a pretty awful night.

Still think the MVP race is neck and neck.  KD a slight edge after tonight obviously.  If Lebron can get the Heat to overtake the Pacers for the 1 seed I could see Lebron winning it again, but I'm sure Lebron will be playing fewer and fewer minutes the closer we get to the middle of April.

It's not close to neck and neck.

It was a week ago, but yeah its all Durants now.  Not like you'd ever admit that Lebron is playing MVP basketball.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 23, 2014, 01:47:02 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on February 14, 2013, 11:21:57 PM
Just realized I don't actually hate LeBron anymore.

Making peace with the fact that he's going to surpass Kobe's legacy, and that even if he retired tonight, lots of analysts would argue that he's already done so, took a lot of the edge off.

mm hm
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Obama signing with Lakers. Replaces decrepit Steve Nash)
Post by: benjipwns on March 23, 2014, 01:47:08 AM
Them Sixers  :whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Obama signing with Lakers. Replaces decrepit Steve Nash)
Post by: HiResDes on March 23, 2014, 10:26:04 AM
I think James Harden should probably be in the MVP discussion.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Obama signing with Lakers. Replaces decrepit Steve Nash)
Post by: Mandark on March 23, 2014, 02:26:23 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on March 23, 2014, 02:22:46 PM
The Sixers and Bucks should probably both be penalized a substantial percentage of their ping pong balls because it would help the Lakers.

Fixed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Obama signing with Lakers. Replaces decrepit Steve Nash)
Post by: HiResDes on March 23, 2014, 02:42:43 PM
Let's be real besides Jason Richardson, who are these guys on the Sixers' roster. The Bucks are the same way, the only dude I recognize on their team is O.J. Mayo and they have a guy making a little over 40k on their team. No one can expect them to be good, now the Knicks on the other hand...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Obama signing with Lakers. Replaces decrepit Steve Nash)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 23, 2014, 03:41:28 PM
Sixers have MCW and Noel, and will probably have Parker next season.  Grow the three up together and you could have a potential killer three.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 23, 2014, 08:09:15 PM
Six shots for Wiggins. Wow.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 24, 2014, 03:46:06 PM
btw the Nets have gone 27-10 in 2014.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2014, 05:08:30 PM
The Jason Collins Effect
:rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 24, 2014, 09:05:30 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy2pkuhexIE
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 25, 2014, 12:59:36 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA76a7ECAOs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 25, 2014, 08:14:14 PM
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/hotsportstakes-does-andrew-wiggins-want-to-get-rich-or-get-better/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on March 25, 2014, 08:17:56 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 25, 2014, 08:14:14 PM
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/hotsportstakes-does-andrew-wiggins-want-to-get-rich-or-get-better/
:bow
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 25, 2014, 09:25:42 PM
Wiggins is gone. Also the argument that "being in college=getting an education" has been proven to be false for many athletes, thus the author's point is moot. Does anyone think Wiggins is going to class? Parker is, but even in that case his short term goal isn't graduation. I will say this: I could definitely see Parker staying for another year.

Second point: returning to college doesn't always work. Just ask Marcus Smart.
http://deadspin.com/marcus-smart-did-the-right-thing-and-look-where-it-go-1546498463

.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 25, 2014, 09:43:56 PM
PD, did you read the bit in italics at the start?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 25, 2014, 09:46:32 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 25, 2014, 09:43:56 PM
PD, did you read the bit in italics at the start?

To be fair I didn't see the italics until you mentioned it either.


The sad thing is 70% of the people that actually matter believe that shit. I hear the exact same arguments from my brother regarding the subject and he is dead serious.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 25, 2014, 09:51:35 PM
 :beli

God dammit. I was actually working on a follow up post, too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat versus Pacers. ESPN 8 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 26, 2014, 12:09:01 PM
In a mini-playoff game Heat versus Pacers tonight on ESPN. Time to Live-Blog it.


In other news Dirk and Durant had a duel last night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uFoc2j1iyU


And the Knicks were being the Knicks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZNAgsRkdyo&list=UUWJ2lWNubArHWmf3FIHbfcQ


Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat versus Pacers. ESPN 8 EST)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 26, 2014, 12:22:50 PM
goddamn dirk's turnaround fadeaway...there's just no defense for it.  None.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat versus Pacers. ESPN 8 EST)
Post by: Your Stalker on March 26, 2014, 02:07:59 PM
how often does the worst team get the first pick though?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat versus Pacers. ESPN 8 EST)
Post by: etiolate on March 26, 2014, 02:41:33 PM
Big game tonight.

Also, who wins Rookie of the Year? Is there anyone actually deserving of it?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat versus Pacers. ESPN 8 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 26, 2014, 07:10:40 PM
Quote from: Your Stalker on March 26, 2014, 02:07:59 PM
how often does the worst team get the first pick though?

The worst team has won the NBA Draft Lottery three times in 24 tries.

Over the last 20 years, only three of those top picks have won rings: LeBron James, Tim Duncan, and Glenn Robinson.


The second little factoid was in a Grantland article today.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat versus Pacers. ESPN 8 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 26, 2014, 08:06:06 PM
Ready to go. Should be interesting. Paul George has been pretty sub-par for a good little stretch now. But that Pacers D always give Miami fits.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat versus Pacers. ESPN 8 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 26, 2014, 08:30:17 PM
The Heat always end up making Hibbert look like Hakeem.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat versus Pacers. ESPN 8 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 26, 2014, 08:40:05 PM
The Heat seem to have completely lost confidence in the role players. The ball still isn't moving like it did last year.

The same thing kind of happened in the playoffs and Miami instead just went to Lebron ball. We'll see what happens over the course of this game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat versus Pacers. ESPN 8 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 26, 2014, 09:16:02 PM
Heat up by 1 at the half but I thought Indy played better and the game is more at their pace which bodes well for them in the second half.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat versus Pacers. ESPN 8 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 26, 2014, 09:54:34 PM
Haven't been following the Heat so much. I wonder if Battier is out of the rotation at the moment because of his lousy shooting or if its just a bad matchup thing against the Pacers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat versus Pacers. ESPN 8 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 26, 2014, 10:27:49 PM
Extremely physical game. Not pretty. But almost exactly what the playoffs series would be like.

And Bosh is back to being a complete non-factor out on the perimeter shooting jumpers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat versus Pacers. ESPN 8 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 26, 2014, 10:31:52 PM
Stephenson being dumb but I don't like the ejection. Let them play the fucking game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat versus Pacers. ESPN 8 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 26, 2014, 10:49:12 PM
Wow at that West 3.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat versus Pacers. ESPN 8 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 26, 2014, 10:50:35 PM
Miami lucky three there but they have no time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat versus Pacers. ESPN 8 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 26, 2014, 10:52:42 PM
lol. He missed both. Whoever wins outside of home court advantage, there isn't much to learn from this that we didn't know going in. They are both evenly matched teams.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat versus Pacers. ESPN 8 EST)
Post by: Your Stalker on March 26, 2014, 10:52:47 PM
indianapolis sure has a lot of heat fans huh and (http://i.imgur.com/oYolCzC.png) at george hill
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat versus Pacers. ESPN 8 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 26, 2014, 10:55:51 PM
Indy takes it. Probably has home court now. So that's a big plus for them. We'll see if its the difference maker when/if that 7th game rolls around. (Assuming of course a lot of things fall into place)

edit: The other thing I guess to take out of this is that if Wade is this fragile in the playoffs even without back to backs, they are going to be in trouble. I think everybody assumes him taking all these games off will strengthen him for the playoffs but it didn't seem to play out that way tonight at the end.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on March 27, 2014, 01:05:10 AM
impressive tank job by the jizz
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Heat versus Pacers. ESPN 8 EST)
Post by: Mandark on March 27, 2014, 04:41:34 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 26, 2014, 07:10:40 PM
Quote from: Your Stalker on March 26, 2014, 02:07:59 PM
how often does the worst team get the first pick though?

The worst team has won the NBA Draft Lottery three times in 24 tries.

Over the last 20 years, only three of those top picks have won rings: LeBron James, Tim Duncan, and Glenn Robinson.


The second little factoid was in a Grantland article today.

Post-Durant, the #2 picks have been pretty shockingly bad.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 27, 2014, 05:40:36 PM
(http://media.giphy.com/media/ixCowh6ohyUmUtCxdS/giphy.gif)
(http://giant.gfycat.com/InnocentOddballBeaver.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on March 27, 2014, 08:22:14 PM
The Knicks bring the best out of their opponents.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 27, 2014, 11:48:04 PM
I like how Shumpert is the only Knick making an effort for the ball.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 28, 2014, 03:20:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azhi1KB6Yvc&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 28, 2014, 06:12:29 PM
Go to college to get your education brehs
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/28/article-2591342-1CA2E5E600000578-487_634x359.jpg)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2591342/How-did-146-word-essay-Rosa-Parks-A-UNC-football-playerss-shocking-term-paper-released-whistleblower-alleges-widespread-academic-fraud.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on March 28, 2014, 07:27:47 PM
they're student athletes doe
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 28, 2014, 09:49:16 PM
It's just missing a close quotation mark at the end, jeez people, calm down.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 31, 2014, 10:20:06 AM
As relatively bad as the Heat have been, the Pacers have been even worse. 6-9 over their last 15.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 31, 2014, 12:35:51 PM
Its a deep draft.  You guys will get Embiid or some shit
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: HiResDes on March 31, 2014, 05:13:46 PM
Goddamn that Dirk/Durant video is awesome...Dirk got the most swag in the game, just mad steeze, he's graceful like a gazelle.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 31, 2014, 07:42:37 PM
San Antonio is dusting the Pacers at the moment. This would be the 18th in a row for them btw if you aren't closely following the NBA for the time being.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 31, 2014, 09:13:56 PM
(http://giant.gfycat.com/IdioticHarmlessEarwig.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on March 31, 2014, 09:22:22 PM
got damn the spurs gave them that work :whoo
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 31, 2014, 09:52:16 PM
I can't wait for SA/LAC western conference finals.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 31, 2014, 09:53:56 PM
Miami has the lead in the eastern conference for the first time all season. They have like 9 games left. The Pacers have something like 6.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 02, 2014, 02:04:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o2jn8OoNvs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Fifstar on April 02, 2014, 05:29:59 PM
 >:(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on April 03, 2014, 02:58:04 AM
Yeah, the Lakers really need that draft pick. It's not like they can't lure Free Agents or have players demand trades to the team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 03, 2014, 08:09:36 PM
Spurs versus Thunder on TNT. Spurs going for 20 in a row.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 03, 2014, 10:54:09 PM
Thunder end that Spurs win streak. Western conference playoffs gonna be so good.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on April 04, 2014, 01:22:54 AM
blake griffin broke his own ankles  :what
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on April 04, 2014, 01:24:27 AM
close one, i'm glad dallas was able to close this out  :whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 05, 2014, 01:34:38 AM
Miami and the Pacers both lost.

 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Himu on April 05, 2014, 01:38:08 AM
My facebook is buzzing with the rockets making it to the playoffs. I'm pretty :yeshrug but I find it funny how they are acting like it's so surprising because goddamn rockets fans are too used to disappointment and shit. lmao
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on April 05, 2014, 02:10:18 AM
Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on April 05, 2014, 01:38:08 AM
My facebook is buzzing with the rockets making it to the playoffs. I'm pretty :yeshrug but I find it funny how they are acting like it's so surprising because goddamn rockets fans are too used to disappointment and shit. lmao

I see your Rockets fandom and raise you the Wizards.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Himu on April 05, 2014, 02:14:17 AM
how bad are wizards fans
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on April 05, 2014, 02:22:00 AM
If you're talking about "used to disappointment" I'll refer you to this (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/WAS/).
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 05, 2014, 11:28:03 PM
I don't watch college basketball as a rule but this Kentucky game was pretty good.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 06, 2014, 04:46:01 PM
Lebron with 38 today.  He's making a last hurrah push for the MVP.  If he continues to get around 28 7 and 7 I could see him stealing it from Durant.

Still think Durant gets it though

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 06, 2014, 05:00:13 PM
Listen shinobi, you don't have an MVP vote, I don't have an MVP vote.  Based on what I've been reading and some podcasts I listen to, a lot of people are still gonna vote for Lebron.  If KD wins, its only gonna be by a few votes.

I would vote for KD obviously, but Lebron sure as hell deserves it too considering how unrefined this Heat team looks, and without Wade doing dick all season.  The fact that the Heat will get to 55 wins this season honestly surprises me based on the rest of that team.  It's pretty much all Lebron with some help from Bosh.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on April 06, 2014, 05:02:04 PM
let the man hate
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 06, 2014, 05:30:40 PM
you are just so cute sometimes
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on April 07, 2014, 01:29:50 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on April 06, 2014, 04:48:37 PM
LeBron ain't stealing it from KD. If he does that would probably be worse than Malone's MVP all those years ago.

On a related note, has there ever been a player more conscious of his own stats at all times than LBJ?

Kobe
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 07, 2014, 01:31:32 AM
Not sure why the Pacers have fallen apart. The funny thing is none of it really matters against the Heat who they match up really well against. It's just going to have to be them avoiding getting knocked out by the other teams.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: HiResDes on April 07, 2014, 03:11:13 AM
I feel like the Nets could upset some teams in the East, and the Rockets could in the west.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 07, 2014, 01:06:47 PM
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/how-to-fix-the-pacers/

Pacers started season 33-7. They are 20-18 since then.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 07, 2014, 02:43:03 PM
hey guys, I think shinobi wants Dwight Howard to hurt his knees
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 07, 2014, 02:48:32 PM
shinobi sure spends a lot of time thinking about other men's anatomy
:hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 07, 2014, 05:52:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtVaDMolW0c
:lol

Barkley's personality and quick wit are so entertaining. He's like Ali without the championships.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: HiResDes on April 08, 2014, 12:42:11 AM
All the Suns needed was a better big man, Kevin Johnson and Barkley were so good in their prime.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on April 08, 2014, 01:32:10 AM
(http://i60.tinypic.com/2ed2s94.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 08, 2014, 06:29:19 PM
Nets versus Miami tonight. Miami has not beat the nets all year.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 08, 2014, 10:08:26 PM
http://tabrag.com/portfolio/michael-jordan-is-no-hero/
:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on April 08, 2014, 10:18:56 PM
 :hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 08, 2014, 10:35:35 PM
Miami gets swept in the season series by Nets. Lebron blocked on the final play. (Looked like a foul to me but whatevs)

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Nets>Heat)
Post by: Beezy on April 08, 2014, 10:38:03 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 08, 2014, 10:35:35 PM
Miami gets swept in the season series by Nets. Lebron blocked on the final play. (Looked like a foul to me but whatevs)
"Regular season means nothing." - Heat fans
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 08, 2014, 10:49:47 PM
Quote from: Beezy on April 08, 2014, 10:18:56 PM
:hitler

(http://i.imgur.com/5IoOmOr.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Nets>Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 08, 2014, 11:05:46 PM
Great game, but that was a clear foul at the end.  No, not just Plumlee's contest -- Lebron was also fouled on the drive
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Nets>Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 09, 2014, 05:15:38 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10740818/introducing-real-plus-minus

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Nets>Heat)
Post by: Mandark on April 09, 2014, 05:23:56 PM
Saw this earlier.  Should put an AWESOM-O trigger warning there.

Quote
The RPM model sifts through more than 230,000 possessions each NBA season to tease apart the "real" plus-minus effects attributable to each player, employing techniques similar to those used by scientific researchers when they need to model the effects of numerous variables at the same time.

From that description, sounds like it's basically a huge regression analysis.  Pretty neat to have this available, even if it's just another catch-all stat.

Nick Collison always looks amazing in these adjusted +/- things, doesn't he?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Nets>Heat)
Post by: Mandark on April 09, 2014, 05:40:33 PM
I think you're taking the short view here.  In the long run, an extended title/MVP run from Bron is the only thing keeping Durant from blowing right by Kobe in the list of all-timers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Nets>Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 09, 2014, 07:43:35 PM
Quote from: Mandark on April 09, 2014, 05:23:56 PM

Nick Collison always looks amazing in these adjusted +/- things, doesn't he?

The benefit of a four year college degree.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Nets>Heat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 09, 2014, 08:21:42 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on April 09, 2014, 07:06:50 PM
Durant is the type of player who should end up atop the all time rankings. He does things the right way and could be a hero for all time. Would love to see him end up with 7 or more titles, and the MVPs to go with them.

Durant won't even be the best small forward of his generation.  He's amazing, no doubt, but come on.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Nets>Heat)
Post by: benjipwns on April 09, 2014, 09:24:27 PM
(http://giant.gfycat.com/UnripeScaredAntelope.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Nets>Heat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 09, 2014, 09:35:23 PM
Draft talk? Draft talk. After the season and tournament, I'm leaning towards saying Julius Randle is the best player in the country. His game is solid, but then again that could be said of the other potent #1 picks as well. The thing that really stood out to me all season was his assertiveness and how much he dominates. I'm not calling Wiggins or Parker soft, but both looked very timid throughout the season and especially in the tournament. Talent wise you would expect them to just take over, like Carmelo/Durant/Beasley/etc did. Randle looked like that guy during the tournament. I'm not saying he's as good as Carmelo/Durant/Beasley, I'm just saying he had a similar "I'm going to dominate" attitude.

Also, Adreian Payne is going to be really good. The Lakers are probably going to miss out on Wiggins/Parker/Randle. If so I think Payne could make sense, if he falls in their lap. Or if they want a PG: Marcus Smart.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Nets>Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 09, 2014, 10:37:54 PM
Miami loses again. Wade misses another game. So is there any reason to think Wade isn't done as a full time NBA player?

They are tied with the Pacers again who they play on Friday.

The Pacers rested their starters tonight and still won.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10756951/indiana-pacers-sit-all-five-starters-milwaukee-bucks

Miami and Indy have been so horrible the second half of the season its hard to pick between them. I'm hoping somebody upsets them both.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pacers versus Heat tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 11, 2014, 11:41:57 AM
Pacers versus Heat tonight. Probably the only game of the season that honestly actually matters for the Heat and wade is out again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pacers versus Heat tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 11, 2014, 11:36:18 PM
Big win for Miami. I got hung up tonight and couldn't watch the game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pacers versus Heat tonight)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 11, 2014, 11:55:05 PM
Pretty boring game tbh.  Had zero playoff intensity.  Haslem and James played really well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pacers versus Heat tonight)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 12, 2014, 01:06:54 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 11, 2014, 11:55:05 PM
Pretty boring game tbh.  Had zero playoff intensity.  Haslem and James played really well.
Sounds like a typical nba game.

:trollbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pacers versus Heat tonight)
Post by: Your Stalker on April 12, 2014, 03:08:21 AM
who guarded corey brewer?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 12, 2014, 08:41:04 PM
Quote from: @Monroe_SA
News: Commish Adam Silver just told #Spurs broadcasters NBA "might move" on playoff format to go to top 16 teams, sted of 8 per conference
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 12, 2014, 09:31:30 PM
I like it. Let's do this thing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 12, 2014, 11:59:44 PM
(http://giant.gfycat.com/BlushingAnotherFieldspaniel.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on April 13, 2014, 02:25:17 AM
Don't like top 16. It's a permanent solution to a temporary issue that could have negative side effects.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on April 13, 2014, 03:27:33 AM
Temporary but recurring.  In half the seasons the last decade, the top lottery finisher in the West has been at least five games ahead of the 8-seed in the East, and we're headed for the second season where there's going to be a double-digit win gap, which is pretty ridiculous.

That said, we're talking about marginal playoff teams, and in most years the team that's left out won't be as good as the Suns or Grizz are this year.  If they made the switch, the biggest benefit would be from excluding the truly lousy teams that make it.   35-38 win squads really shouldn't be in the playoffs, and this would all but guarantee that.

The only downside I can think of is that if you went to a straight 16-team bracket (rather than a more convoluted plan where the conference playoffs are mostly intact with a couple changes) is that we'd lose those multiyear rivalries you get between good teams in the same conference, where they know they'll probably have to go through each other to get to the Finals.  Playoff rematches are fun, and  games between rivals stand out in a loooooooonnnnng NBA regular season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on April 13, 2014, 05:07:07 AM
I just see a potential problem with stacking a conference and perennial establishment teams. Conference systems at least encourages players to switch sides here and there, tilting power in order to have a better chance at the playoffs in a weaker conference.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on April 13, 2014, 06:52:14 AM
Has that EVER happened, though?  I mean a player deliberately moving to a weaker conference for a better shot at the playoffs?

If anything, there's a slight boost for the teams that barely miss out in the West, since they pick a few spots higher in the draft than they would have if they had been 7- or 8-seeds in the East, and get a small chance to move up to the top 3.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 13, 2014, 09:24:42 AM
Wouldn't this possibly impact ratings and revenue on the east coast? If only 2-5 eastern conference takes make the playoffs you'd run the risk of losing viewers right? For instance if Chicago and NY missed the playoffs this year due to this.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 13, 2014, 02:01:07 PM
Most seasons this is only going to shift at most about one or two teams out and into the playoffs. Even this year, it'd only kick the Hawks and maybe the Bobcats out, while bringing the Suns and Timberwolves in.

The real difference is the second round, the "final four" and Finals. Actual good East teams aren't going to be able to skip the first two rounds, play one tough round, and then do the Finals anymore.
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 13, 2014, 09:24:42 AM
Wouldn't this possibly impact ratings and revenue on the east coast? If only 2-5 eastern conference takes make the playoffs you'd run the risk of losing viewers right? For instance if Chicago and NY missed the playoffs this year due to this.
Don't worry, the Knicks are handling that on their own.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on April 13, 2014, 03:23:53 PM
Well, the big question is whether they switch straight to a 16 team bracket or whether they come up with a bit more convoluted system (top 6 from each conference + wild cards) to try to preserve the rivarly/scheduling advantages of the current system.

You know what would be fun?  A selection show where each team sends a player as a representative, and the top seeds get to choose their opponents.  I'm sure there are a billion reasons not to do this, but it would eliminate tanking for seeding and can you imagine Twitter during that event?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 13, 2014, 05:16:52 PM
Pacers pretty much seal up the #1 seed in the East by beating the Thunder earlier today.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on April 13, 2014, 05:19:41 PM
the heat still have 2 games left
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 13, 2014, 05:28:24 PM
Technically the Pacers have one more game against the Magic but if they win they have it 100%.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on April 13, 2014, 10:40:32 PM
Yeah, Pacers have the tiebreaker from conference records.

As a Wizards fan, this makes the chase for the 6 seed sort of important.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 13, 2014, 10:45:33 PM
BROS
:drudge :drudge :drudge

Joe Dumars out as Pistons president
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10778231/joe-dumars-detroit-pistons-team-president
:pacspit

:rejoice :rejoice :rejoice

I think I have an NBA team again, fellas
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 13, 2014, 10:48:19 PM
You might wanna wait until you see who Gores hires.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on April 13, 2014, 11:10:02 PM
C'mon Isiah!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 13, 2014, 11:15:09 PM
There is another
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/0%20Players/Bill%20Laimbeer/3b67bde5.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on April 14, 2014, 12:34:57 AM
https://twitter.com/Stareagle/status/455545632699072513

Quote

 
Dave Hogg
‏@Stareagle
Dumars won a title by trading for Rasheed Wallace. Atlanta used the draft pick he gave them to pick Josh Smith. Now Smith gets him fired.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 14, 2014, 12:40:00 AM
(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/dwill.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 14, 2014, 09:06:44 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWXwYQSbdWQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeOHcAbwknw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hRqMsxoOHQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bwhdB4XOGo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin April 19th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 14, 2014, 11:54:40 PM
There's a solid chance that neither team gets to the ECF.  Definitely could see the Heat losing to the Raps, and I EXPECT the Pacers to lose to the Nets.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bachikarn on April 15, 2014, 03:02:42 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 13, 2014, 03:27:33 AM
The only downside I can think of is that if you went to a straight 16-team bracket (rather than a more convoluted plan where the conference playoffs are mostly intact with a couple changes) is that we'd lose those multiyear rivalries you get between good teams in the same conference, where they know they'll probably have to go through each other to get to the Finals.  Playoff rematches are fun, and  games between rivals stand out in a loooooooonnnnng NBA regular season.

Do most NBA fans prefer this? As just a casual NBA fan (more of a college sports fan in general), I think it's kind of boring to see the same teams play each other in the play offs so often. I'd prefer the variety of seeing unique match ups most years like it is in college. I think the same thing about the NFL playoffs.

To me, rivalries should be more of a regular season thing, but I guess it's different when you have half the teams making the post-season like in the pros.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin April 19th)
Post by: benjipwns on April 15, 2014, 03:13:23 AM
I personally don't care about year to year "rivalries" considering roster turnover and the low odds of rematches. The last three games of a series are much more compelling because of the inherent "rivalry" than say the current Heat destroying the current Knicks again because they had all those fights in the 90's. Let alone all the wanking over the Celtics/Lakers in 2008 and 2010.

But I'm weird.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin April 19th)
Post by: Mandark on April 15, 2014, 03:54:46 AM
I don't mean "rivalries" where the broadcasters are digging way into the vault to find footage of games between entirely different teams.  I mean the way you'd expect two very good teams in the same conference to butt heads multiple times, like the Lakers/Spurs/Kings/Mavs in the early aughts, LeBron having to go through the Celtics, the Nash/Stoudemire Suns trying to finally break through the Spurs, etc.

If today's playoff seeding held, in the WC you'd have SAS/MEM as the 1-8 seed, which is both a rematch of last years WCF and a possible repeat of the Grizzlies' upset of the Spurs three years ago, which was also as the 8 seed.  You also have Dallas vs. OKC, who have met in two of the last three playoffs.

Without actually checking, I'd say the NBA has more continuity than the other major North American sports leagues, and it produces some multi-year intrigue.  While I'm sure lots of people would prefer it the other way, with the more random/diverse matchups you'd get from abolishing conferences, the league would still be giving up a bit of that continuity.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin April 19th)
Post by: Mandark on April 15, 2014, 04:06:07 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFTgVrIRFIU


RIP in peace, manchild Wizards.  Gilbert's knees cheated us out of four or five more completely ludicrous 43-win seasons.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin April 19th)
Post by: Mandark on April 15, 2014, 04:13:26 AM
That's another thing I love about the NBA.  Completely lopsided (talent-wise) feuds between franchise players and perimeter stoppers.  DeShawn Stevenson goading LeBron, Raja Bell losing his mind and clotheslining Kobe, Bruce Bowen undercutting everyone on jump shots.

In a couple years, every single Houston game might have the subplot of someone feuding with Patrick Beverley.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin April 19th)
Post by: benjipwns on April 15, 2014, 04:26:57 AM
The feuds I loved were more of the style like:
-Rick Fox and Doug Christie's wife
-Chris Jeffries and Rick Brunson
-Chris Mills attempting to fight the entire Jail Blazers team after blocking their bus with his car
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin April 19th)
Post by: Beezy on April 15, 2014, 10:33:31 AM
http://youtu.be/vnaZBRumpg4
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin April 19th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 15, 2014, 02:26:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mZP0wST3Ig
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0806ukwq2Mc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo7V2EqoHRw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKDSVNRsglI
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin April 19th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 15, 2014, 02:29:13 PM
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/10784311/lamar-odom-new-york-knicks-deal-imminent-sources-say

(http://i58.tinypic.com/2cnfgpc.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin April 19th)
Post by: etiolate on April 16, 2014, 01:14:39 PM
MVP is about who had the best season on a winning team. That's all it's been for years. People treat it like who is the greatest of all time and gets into heaven first then get flubbergusted when Steve Nash wins.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin April 19th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 16, 2014, 04:36:35 PM
the fuck is flubbergusted

Miami is a winning team, sure Shinobi.  Durant did have a better season this yeah, that's true.  That still doesn't make Durant better than Lebron in the grand scheme of things.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin April 19th)
Post by: Mandark on April 16, 2014, 05:07:40 PM
When people say LeBron's a better player while Durant had a better year, the implication is that LeBron's still the one player who could help you win a single game of basketball the most, but for other reasons Durant was more productive/impactful over the course of the year.  I'd agree with that.

Most of Durant's statistical advantage comes from just shooting more.  You could argue that LeBron wouldn't be as efficient if he took the same number of shots, but check his game log: in 23 games where he had 20 or more FGA, he shot over 50% in all but two of them.  Similarly, his defense this year wasn't great, going by analytics or the eye test, but does anyone think Durant's a better defender?  Or a better passer?  A better post player?

Over the course of a season, Durant's done more for his team and should win the MVP, but in an elimination playoff game, without the need to conserve energy for later or keep teammates feeling happy and involved?  I'd take LeBron and so would most people.



Of course, I just wrote a sincere response to AWESOM-O about LeBron, so joke's clearly on me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin April 19th)
Post by: benjipwns on April 16, 2014, 05:18:36 PM
Spoelstra (I think it was him) estimated that LeBron could get up to 37PPG before his efficiency dropped too significantly.

I think there's also the factor that Durant is at this full level for one year so far, how many times have we seen a player have a great season and then drop off a level and never come back up ala McGrady. While LeBron has been dominant for a number of years and been coasting a little. Wait for Durant to do it again next year before you crown him. (Though I personally think he was about as good last year, but still isn't as good as LeBron.)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin April 19th)
Post by: Mandark on April 16, 2014, 05:30:38 PM
Yeah, as a scorer Durant's basically doing what he did last year, only taking a couple more shots without sacrificing any real efficiency.  He's definitely improved as a distributor the last couple seasons, though.  He's been good enough long enough that I don't expect serious regression unless he gets injured or paces himself more through the regular season.

Also interesting is that going by PER and WS, LeBron was just as good in the last couple seasons with Cleveland as he has been with Miami.  But I think almost everyone would say he's been a better player with the Heat than he was as a Cavalier, and it's not just the shine of the two titles.  Present LeBron can probably turn into 2009 LeBron and barrel to the basket every play, but there are things he can do now that simply weren't in 2009 LeBron's repertoire.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin April 19th)
Post by: Mandark on April 16, 2014, 05:34:48 PM
Yeah, BrandNew is the one who's overly emotionally invested in this topic.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin April 19th)
Post by: benjipwns on April 16, 2014, 06:21:34 PM
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/blake-griffin-plays-coy-about-kate-upton-not-about-creationism-20140415
Quote
You were home-schooled until the seventh grade. Are you Team Creationism or Team Evolution?
I was raised in a Christian household and went to a Christian high school, so I believe in creationisim, for sure.

So you think the Earth is only 6,000 years old?
I don't want to do the math, but somewhere around there.

...

Who's the greatest rapper of all time?
Can I give you a top three?

No. That's a cop-out.
You’re right. I'd have to go with Marky Mark.

So that’s from your mom’s side of the family?
[Laughs] Right, my mother's side of the family. On my dad's side, I want to say Biggie, but I'm gonna go with Jay Z, because it's more my era.

If NBA players had walk-up music, like baseball players do before at-bats, what would yours be?
It'd probably change a lot. Just take Creed's greatest hits and put it on shuffle. You can't go wrong, really.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin April 19th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2014, 06:22:55 PM
No comment.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin April 19th)
Post by: etiolate on April 16, 2014, 06:28:12 PM
Boogie wins again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin April 19th)
Post by: CajoleJuice on April 16, 2014, 09:14:31 PM
:rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin April 19th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2014, 09:39:20 PM
I don't get it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin April 19th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 17, 2014, 01:34:16 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on April 16, 2014, 06:21:34 PM
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/blake-griffin-plays-coy-about-kate-upton-not-about-creationism-20140415
Quote
You were home-schooled until the seventh grade. Are you Team Creationism or Team Evolution?
I was raised in a Christian household and went to a Christian high school, so I believe in creationisim, for sure.

So you think the Earth is only 6,000 years old?
I don't want to do the math, but somewhere around there.

...

Who's the greatest rapper of all time?
Can I give you a top three?

No. That's a cop-out.
You’re right. I'd have to go with Marky Mark.

So that’s from your mom’s side of the family?
[Laughs] Right, my mother's side of the family. On my dad's side, I want to say Biggie, but I'm gonna go with Jay Z, because it's more my era.

If NBA players had walk-up music, like baseball players do before at-bats, what would yours be?
It'd probably change a lot. Just take Creed's greatest hits and put it on shuffle. You can't go wrong, really.

Home schooling.

 :comeon
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why we still got monkeys edition)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 17, 2014, 12:04:08 PM
Mike Miller played in all 82 games for the Grizz this year. And averaged 20.8 minutes.

Heat have to be kicking themselves on that one.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why we still got monkeys edition)
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 17, 2014, 01:01:35 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 17, 2014, 01:34:16 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on April 16, 2014, 06:21:34 PM
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/blake-griffin-plays-coy-about-kate-upton-not-about-creationism-20140415
Quote
You were home-schooled until the seventh grade. Are you Team Creationism or Team Evolution?
I was raised in a Christian household and went to a Christian high school, so I believe in creationisim, for sure.

So you think the Earth is only 6,000 years old?
I don't want to do the math, but somewhere around there.

...

Who's the greatest rapper of all time?
Can I give you a top three?

No. That's a cop-out.
You’re right. I'd have to go with Marky Mark.

So that’s from your mom’s side of the family?
[Laughs] Right, my mother's side of the family. On my dad's side, I want to say Biggie, but I'm gonna go with Jay Z, because it's more my era.

If NBA players had walk-up music, like baseball players do before at-bats, what would yours be?
It'd probably change a lot. Just take Creed's greatest hits and put it on shuffle. You can't go wrong, really.

Home schooling.

 :flabbypd

Creed's greatest hits, smh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why we still got monkeys edition)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 17, 2014, 01:44:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV3aqwCUZWc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlmXbzUAq_s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgUzkGBkRdc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1UljwTkiM4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot-X_Ii8mXA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLgaTPUyq94
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: benjipwns on April 17, 2014, 07:40:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGT3aYgb6y4
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 17, 2014, 11:08:41 PM
http://deadspin.com/craig-sager-has-leukemia-according-to-craig-sagers-son-1564525962

Unfortunate. Was never a fan of him as a sideline reporter but still tough situation
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: bachikarn on April 17, 2014, 11:14:04 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/5YovKN3.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 17, 2014, 11:31:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVYJULACcao

 :teehee

You know I'm sure you could cherry pick any player and create a worst of highlight tape and make them look pretty bad but Harden on defense is just so funny. He expends so little effort. Every game is like an all-star game for him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Your Stalker on April 18, 2014, 09:12:22 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhwbztES_a4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_BnYRWuVZM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDP7D7D8noc
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 18, 2014, 01:26:45 PM
Did they really have to get Kid Rock to narrate this bad boys 30 for 30.

 :trash
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: benjipwns on April 18, 2014, 07:14:01 PM
http://grantland.com/features/nba-playoffs-preview-2014/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 18, 2014, 10:12:13 PM
As always lots of interesting possibilities for these playoffs.

The current Heat look to be the worst of the 4 seasons in Miami. But Miami really does seem to have that cliche "extra gear" they crank up for the playoffs. Plus I assume Wade is playing no matter what since no back to backs. And his season has been pretty much a bust otherwise.

For all the flack against the Pacers, I still think they will do well and reach the conference finals. The game is just played differently now. And it suits their style even if it is offensively limited.

The Spurs and the Thunder look like the two best teams but then it always seems like they look like the two best teams going into the playoffs and then something weird ends up happening.

I don't know but for some reason I really like the Clippers. I think Doc Rivers will make a difference in the playoffs where Del Negro couldn't.


Should be fun. Can't wait for them to start.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: HiResDes on April 19, 2014, 05:08:44 PM
In the east I definitely see the Nets being a legitimate threat, but that's only if they can get of their series early and avoid the fatigue of the dreaded seven games. I agree that the playoff style definitely favors Indiana, and I believe they matchup favorable with nearly every team in the East including Miami...The Nets are probably a bit too undersized and "old" to compete with the Pacers in a long series. Although, let's be honest the best teams are in the West this year and will outscore the Pacers at will if they so happen to make it that far. I still like the Pacers to make it to the finals, given that I don't see Wade holding up all too well and Lebron and Bosh might not be enough to make it past even the Raptors. In the West I think the Rockets have a legimate shot of upsetting a bunch of teams, especially if they make it past the Clippers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 19, 2014, 06:49:19 PM
Watched both early games. Both were close. The Nets executed down the stretch while Toronto struggled getting good shots.


The Clips were in foul trouble the entire game and had a few bad calls go against them .
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 19, 2014, 09:05:04 PM
My god Indy
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Your Stalker on April 19, 2014, 09:23:25 PM
shit is pure scust
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 19, 2014, 09:40:24 PM
Pacers are fucking awful, good lord
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: benjipwns on April 19, 2014, 09:46:13 PM
http://giant.gfycat.com/DeterminedGorgeousIsabellinewheatear.webm

 :comeon  :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Your Stalker on April 19, 2014, 09:53:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRqnOdOuVBw
grizz gettin that work
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 19, 2014, 10:02:21 PM
OKC looks ace.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 19, 2014, 10:21:34 PM
Grizz so offensively limited its brutal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: HiResDes on April 19, 2014, 11:18:09 PM
INDY PLS
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2014, 12:04:16 AM
Nice comeback by the Grizz. But at no point did I actually think they had a chance.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2014, 01:38:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh0fARV8r1w
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start Saturday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2014, 03:25:56 PM
Dallas really giving this one away.

That was a sweet spin by Parker.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2014, 04:46:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1B_CCJJ5HM
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 20, 2014, 11:33:00 PM
I'm so out of the loop. I assumed the Wizards won like 20 games this year and weren't in the playoffs, now I hear they beat the Bulls.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 21, 2014, 01:02:46 AM
Crazy ass Rockets-Blazers game here.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 21, 2014, 01:06:01 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 20, 2014, 11:33:00 PM
I'm so out of the loop. I assumed the Wizards won like 20 games this year and weren't in the playoffs, now I hear they beat the Bulls.

They aren't bad. Gortat and Nene gave the Bulls fits today.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 21, 2014, 01:08:30 AM
bs foul there on Howard but that was not a good final shot for them. Harden was awful tonight outside of a few buckets.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 21, 2014, 01:18:04 AM
Rip city  8)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Beezy on April 21, 2014, 01:22:31 AM
Whenever I actually paid attention to this game, Harden was missing his shots. I'm not a fan of his game anyway.

Aldridge and Lillard though, goddamn.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Shadow Mod on April 21, 2014, 04:55:38 AM
Howard is such a punkass.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Mandark on April 21, 2014, 05:17:46 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 20, 2014, 11:33:00 PM
I'm so out of the loop. I assumed the Wizards won like 20 games this year and weren't in the playoffs, now I hear they beat the Bulls.

:ufup


Primer on the Wizards:  The owner got tired of the rebuilding process and gave a win-now mandate.  Last season they traded for Nene, Emeka Okafor, and Trevor Ariza.  They were a very bad team in the first half without John Wall, and a .500 team the second half when he came back.  Okafor got injured in the offseason, so they shipped him and this year's first rounder to Phoenix for Marcin Gortat.

They were a very slightly above-average team this year and are the 5 seed in the East (partly cause the Nets  tanked to the 6 seed to avoid Chicago).  They might be better than their regular season performance indicates: their starters outscored opponents by a ton, and they were dragged down by injuries and a terrible bench.  Now everyone's healthy, the playoffs mean more time for starters, and the bench has an AARP squad (Andre Miller, Al Harrington, Drew Gooden) who weren't playing for the Wiz in the first half of the season, and who are weirdly effective.

That said, Wall's usually the only guy on the floor who can break down a defense,  he's not an elite scorer, and Randy Wittman's not a great coach.  So the offense tends to break down at the worst times, and you can't count on Nene being healthy.


Anyways, this is the first time since I think 2005 that the Wiz have made the playoffs without being obvious sacrificial lambs in the first round.  Best I've felt since they re-signed Gilbert to a long term deal they won the lottery and drafted Kwame MJ suited up for the team Chris Webber and Juwan Howard led them to the playoffs...  well, shit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Your Stalker on April 21, 2014, 11:12:54 PM
memphis managed to steal one in okc  :obama
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Beezy on April 21, 2014, 11:50:21 PM
Quote from: Your Stalker on April 21, 2014, 11:12:54 PM
memphis managed to steal one in okc  :obama
#thankyoubasedgod
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on April 21, 2014, 11:58:50 PM
Mike Woodson fired, Tyrone Corbin let go, Rick Adelman retiring

Joakim Noah winning DPOY
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 22, 2014, 12:53:26 AM
Great game for the Grizz. That team may be limited but they give it everything every night at least.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNaK0719KQo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFTebwyqnto
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 22, 2014, 01:14:30 AM
Blake Griffin fucking murdered the Warriors
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 22, 2014, 07:26:31 PM
Watching Hibbert be so bad on offense only reminds me how Miami ends up making him look like a post god.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 22, 2014, 08:14:42 PM
Pacers down by 4 at the half.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: etiolate on April 22, 2014, 09:00:26 PM
These playoffs will reveal that Cousins is the best center in the league and will somehow be left off the All NBA team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 22, 2014, 09:14:41 PM
Dunno, based on the games I've watched so far, DJ for the Clippers is look really beastly.  Who knew more minutes was all it would take.  But still, its obvious Noah is the best center in the playoffs and possibly the best in the league.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 22, 2014, 09:15:12 PM
Pacers needed this win in this fashion in a big way tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 22, 2014, 09:31:59 PM
When Scola hits his shots, the Pacers always have a good chance to win regardless of the play of George or Stephenson.  Scola was ice cold in Game 1.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 22, 2014, 10:15:21 PM
Raptors/Nets seems like an exceptionally close series. Feels like that one will go 7.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Mandark on April 22, 2014, 10:45:48 PM
With Indiana looking so vulnerable, seems weird that the Nets tanked out of their side of the bracket.  I guess they wanted to stay away from consecutive matchups with the Bulls and Pacers because they play small lineups?  Or maybe they just really wanted to win at least one series and rated Toronto really low.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: etiolate on April 22, 2014, 10:49:23 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 22, 2014, 09:14:41 PM
Dunno, based on the games I've watched so far, DJ for the Clippers is look really beastly.  Who knew more minutes was all it would take.  But still, its obvious Noah is the best center in the playoffs and possibly the best in the league.

Deandre is suped up role player. Noah is legit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on April 23, 2014, 12:09:38 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 22, 2014, 10:45:48 PM
With Indiana looking so vulnerable, seems weird that the Nets tanked out of their side of the bracket.  I guess they wanted to stay away from consecutive matchups with the Bulls and Pacers because they play small lineups?  Or maybe they just really wanted to win at least one series and rated Toronto really low.
They think they have Miami's number.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 23, 2014, 12:29:04 AM
Hinrich blows it.  :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Your Stalker on April 23, 2014, 12:29:56 AM
https://twitter.com/HuhWhatsACondom/statuses/458819693743054848
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 23, 2014, 09:54:46 PM
Looks like we got Dwight versus Aldridge trying to one up each other.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2014, 12:20:50 AM
James Harden

:dead

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Your Stalker on April 24, 2014, 12:26:28 AM
rockets got rocked
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: etiolate on April 24, 2014, 12:39:15 AM
Rockets looked like early round exit material to me before the playoffs, so I'm not surprised that they're in an early hole. Plus, Portland is plenty good and able to score at the same level.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2014, 04:35:41 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K8eV2JfAWU
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 24, 2014, 12:31:15 PM
LMA

:dead

Two straight 40+ games.  Dude is killing it.  Lillard looks super comfortable for his first playoffs, as well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2014, 08:59:27 PM
Grizz giving the Thunder fits at the moment.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 24, 2014, 09:02:31 PM
Go Grizzzzz
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2014, 09:04:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F3p8J4q0So
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2014, 09:20:40 PM
Damn Jeff Teague is fast.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2014, 09:26:39 PM
That was an insane 3 by Teague.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2014, 09:35:24 PM
Hawks will go up 2-1 in the series. Hibbert played 19 minutes. None in the 4th quarter.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Beezy on April 24, 2014, 09:40:46 PM
Sir Paul GeorgeIsBetterThanMelo struggled to get 12 points. Against the Hawks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2014, 09:53:35 PM
And the Grizz are giving it to the Thunder.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2014, 10:42:55 PM
Crazy comeback by the thunder.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2014, 10:58:46 PM
Pacers implosion is crazy. They looked so good for those first 50 games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2014, 11:06:42 PM
Lol. Tony Allen is an idiot. He almost cost the Grizz that game twice.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Your Stalker on April 24, 2014, 11:08:52 PM
i don't think my heart or soul can take any more of this series  :whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2014, 11:15:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj5hujHvKMU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3Bs5uVyRiA
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 24, 2014, 11:25:15 PM
Tony Allen both saved the Griz and almost cost them the game :lol

Go Griz though.  Team is bafflingly fun to watch
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 24, 2014, 11:35:57 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmCWy2HCcAAN7Et.jpg)
:dead :neogaf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtE3_voC3qU
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 24, 2014, 11:42:31 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on April 24, 2014, 11:35:22 PM
Feels like the universe is conspiring to hand Bron another title  :-\

:rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2014, 12:23:37 AM
Blake is single-handedly killing the warriors.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2014, 01:22:00 AM
Wow. Two crazy steph 3's.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2014, 01:25:56 AM
Great night of games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2014, 01:42:49 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on April 24, 2014, 10:58:46 PM
Pacers implosion is crazy. They looked so good for those first 50 games.

(http://giant.gfycat.com/AssuredDecisiveGangesdolphin.gif)

I feel sorry for Hibbert. I really like him.  :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2014, 12:14:50 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=QSPhMkgjFmk
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2014, 10:44:44 PM
Bad foul call on that inbound play. But the Wiz didn't play smart down the stretch at all.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 25, 2014, 11:45:25 PM
Darn.  Was hoping for a Wiz sweep :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 26, 2014, 12:10:29 AM
I need some NBAsplaining. So what's going on with Hibbert? I saw that Larry Bird gif and googled an explanation. Apparently Hibbert is playing like shit? He was pretty good last year and for much of this year right? Is this just a symptom of the Pacers implosion in general, or is he specifically being singled out as a problem? Is it effort related or just a slump?

You rarely see GMs or owners look that exasperated lol.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on April 26, 2014, 12:21:24 AM
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After a 91-78 loss to the Washington Wizards on March 28, Hibbert had some choice words for his teammates.

"Some selfish dudes in here," the center told reporters. "Some selfish dudes. I'm tired of talking about it. We've been talking about it for a month."

...

The team's frustration reached a high point in a 107-88 home loss to the Atlanta Hawks on April 6, a contest in which coach Frank Vogel benched all five starters at one point. Hibbert, who appeared to be disinterested on the bench, didn't play in the second half in that game -- a move Vogel said was made for rest purposes.

No other player may be struggling more than Hibbert, who has scored a total of nine points on 3-of-28 shooting over his past four games.
The rumor is all sorts of infighting. And that Brian Shaw was the peacemaker.

He is getting pointed to in one way because he's 7-2 and pulling down less than 7 boards a game.

But he's imploded with the team too. Went from 12/8 with 52% TS before the break, and 9/4.5 on 45% after.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2014, 01:16:45 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 26, 2014, 12:10:29 AM
I need some NBAsplaining. So what's going on with Hibbert? I saw that Larry Bird gif and googled an explanation. Apparently Hibbert is playing like shit? He was pretty good last year and for much of this year right? Is this just a symptom of the Pacers implosion in general, or is he specifically being singled out as a problem? Is it effort related or just a slump?

You rarely see GMs or owners look that exasperated lol.


The whole team has been bad for two months. There are lots of theories for why but non of them quite make sense alone. There was always going to be a slight return to the mean for this team but its gone way beyond that.

Atlanta is also seemingly an especially bad matchup for Hibbert.  Pero Antic is essentially pulling him away from the rim as he is hanging around the perimeter and Milsap is too quick for him to guard.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2014, 01:28:14 AM
Harden's defense has gone from joking matter to literally one of the main reasons Houston is losing this series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2014, 01:36:27 AM
I said wow
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2014, 01:39:34 AM
Houston miracles one out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2014, 01:43:04 AM
(http://giant.gfycat.com/EnchantedSpectacularGreyhounddog.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Shadow Mod on April 26, 2014, 01:46:59 AM
Lopez being on the bench, especially for OT, was criminally stupid.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2014, 01:49:09 AM
Yep

Quote
L.A. Clippers owner Donald Sterling told his GF he does NOT want her bringing black people to his games ... including Magic Johnson ... and it's ALL on tape.

TMZ Sports has obtained audio of Sterling making the racist declaration during a heated argument on April 9th with V. Stiviano ... after she posted a photo on Instagram posing with Magic.

Sterling rails on Stiviano -- who ironically is black and Mexican -- for putting herself out in public with a black person (she has since taken the pic down).  But it doesn't end there.  You have to listen to the audio to fully grasp the magnitude of Sterling's racist worldview. Among the comments:

-- "It bothers me a lot that you want to broadcast that you’re associating with black people. Do you have to?" (3:30)

-- "You can sleep with [black people]. You can bring them in, you can do whatever you want.  The little I ask you is not to promote it on that ... and not to bring them to my games." (5:15)

-- "I’m just saying, in your lousy f******* Instagrams, you don’t have to have yourself with, walking with black people." (7:45)

-- "...Don't put him [Magic] on an Instagram for the world to have to see so they have to call me.  And don't bring him to my games." (9:13)

http://www.tmz.com/2014/04/26/donald-sterling-clippers-owner-black-people-racist-audio-magic-johnson/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: Shadow Mod on April 26, 2014, 01:55:23 AM
Typical racist. Into his black chicks and cuckolding but don't bring them black boys round these parts.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 26, 2014, 10:00:28 AM
This guy is known racist scum and a slumlord to top it off. :yuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: Mandark on April 26, 2014, 12:33:58 PM
Yeah, guy had a huge settlement with the federal government over housing discrimination, and there are stories of him bringing women into the locker room to show off black athletes showering.

Which is probably what PD would do if he owned an NBA team, but still.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 26, 2014, 12:41:30 PM
It's no coincidence that he told his gf she didn't have to not sleep with black guys.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: Mandark on April 26, 2014, 12:59:32 PM
I'm listening to the recording now and WEIRD
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: Steve Contra on April 26, 2014, 02:49:38 PM
That recording... :kobeyuck

Sounds like the dude is high out of his mind.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2014, 02:50:57 PM
I think this is a bit of an over-reaction. He probably only means the bad black people. Not the good black people.


 :hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 26, 2014, 02:57:44 PM
Maybe he meant blah people.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 26, 2014, 04:53:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQlsSk7sCRM
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2014, 07:15:51 PM
HOLY SHIT
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 26, 2014, 07:18:07 PM
BIG DICK VINCE :rejoice

Go Mavs!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 26, 2014, 07:24:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjBzZpkuy38
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2014, 07:25:27 PM
That's weird. I could have sworn I posted this but then suddenly I couldn't find it. Maybe I posted it in a different thread by accident.


(http://giant.gfycat.com/CheeryAlertEider.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 26, 2014, 07:26:21 PM
Vinsanity :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 26, 2014, 07:34:52 PM
I read a thing pointing out that Dirk and Duncan first faced each other in the playoffs in 2001. I knew that, but damn, that's crazy to think about.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: etiolate on April 26, 2014, 09:16:48 PM
I believe the NBAs own laws state it takes something along the lines of criminal activity go remove an owner.

Would be an opportunity to resolve the Seattle situation.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 26, 2014, 09:28:06 PM
The Clippers should walk off the court the minute the game starts.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: Your Stalker on April 26, 2014, 09:47:15 PM
silver looked legit shook
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 26, 2014, 09:48:26 PM
So, the Heat look to be the best team in the playoffs right now...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2014, 10:38:30 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 26, 2014, 09:48:26 PM
So, the Heat look to be the best team in the playoffs right now...

The Bobcats were a perfect matchup for them. I wouldn't put anymore into it than that at this stage.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: Your Stalker on April 26, 2014, 11:56:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfIJEyWYTdE
(http://i.imgur.com/HeLb6QC.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on April 26, 2014, 11:59:09 PM
Oh man, you can literally see Jordan fuming about it wishing this was ten years ago or more.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: Shadow Mod on April 27, 2014, 01:16:23 AM
Jordan beat the Monstars, fuck Lebron.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on April 27, 2014, 01:24:07 AM
Jordan had help, they lose that game if Bill Murray doesn't show up.

(Or if the Monstars steal from somebody better than Shawn Bradley...like...David Robinson.)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: Shadow Mod on April 27, 2014, 01:25:53 AM
That just adds to Jordan being more awesome than Lebron. He played with Bill fucking Murray.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on April 27, 2014, 01:28:10 AM
Quote from: Needs More Cowbell on April 27, 2014, 01:25:53 AM
He played with Bill fucking Murray.
:gurl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2014, 12:10:54 PM
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Deadspin has acquired an extended, 15-minute version of the conversation between Clippers owner Donald Sterling and his then-girlfriend V. Stiviano. If the original nine-minute tape acquired by TMZ left any questions about Sterling's opinions regarding minorities, the audio here should remove all doubt that he's a doddering racist with views not too far removed from the plantation.

You can find the new audio in the above video, which contains the transcript. (This version is also a little crisper than the original and has some extra background activity around the edges, which indicates that this was recorded in a house.) As with the original, we don't know if this has been edited in some way. The NBA is investigating. Thus far, Sterling's team has offered only a tepid response, lightly suggesting the possibility that the original audio had been doctored and pointing out that V. Stiviano had recently been sued by the Sterlings.

http://deadspin.com/exclusive-the-extended-donald-sterling-tape-1568291249

In this audio, Sterling expresses ideas similar to the ones he did in the original: The world will think certain things if you're seen with black people, he tells his mistress, so you should not be seen with them in public, and under no circumstances should you bring them to Clippers games. How does he square his dim view of black people with the fact that he has an NBA team full of black players? Sterling responds with a breathtaking non-sequitur.

V: I don't understand, I don't see your views. I wasn't raised the way you were raised.

DS: Well then, if you don't feel—don't come to my games. Don't bring black people, and don't come.

V: Do you know that you have a whole team that's black, that plays for you?

DS: You just, do I know? I support them and give them food, and clothes, and cars, and houses. Who gives it to them? Does someone else give it to them? Do I know that I have—Who makes the game? Do I make the game, or do they make the game? Is there 30 owners, that created the league?
Poor Los Angeles Dodgers outfielder Matt Kemp is also dragged into the conversation, having appeared in an Instagram photo with V. Stiviano. It was her photo with Magic Johnson that had apparently started the fight.

V: Honey, if it makes you happy, I will remove all of the black people from my Instagram.

DS: You said that before, you said, "I understand."

V: I DID remove the people that were independently on my Instagram that are black.

DS: Then why did you start saying that you didn't? You just said that you didn't remove them. You didn't remove every—

V: I didn't remove Matt Kemp and Magic Johnson, but I thought—

DS: Why?

V: I thought Matt Kemp is mixed, and he was OK, just like me.

DS: OK.

V: He's lighter and whiter than me.

DS: OK.

V: I met his mother.

DS: You think I'm a racist, and wouldn't—

V: I don't think you're a racist.

DS: Yes you do. Yes you do.

V: I think you, you—

DS: Evil heart.
And there is also this baffling exchange about black Jews in Israel:

DS: It's the world! You go to Israel, the blacks are just treated like dogs.

V: So do you have to treat them like that too?

DS: The white Jews, there's white Jews and black Jews, do you understand?

V: And are the black Jews less than the white Jews?

DS: A hundred percent, fifty, a hundred percent.

V: And is that right?

DS: It isn't a question—we don't evaluate what's right and wrong, we live in a society. We live in a culture. We have to live within that culture.

V: But shouldn't we take a stand for what's wrong? And be the change and the difference?

DS: I don't want to change the culture, because I can't. It's too big and too [unknown].

V: But you can change yourself.

DS: I don't want to change. If my girl can't do what I want, I don't want the girl. I'll find a girl that will do what I want! Believe me. I thought you were that girl—because I tried to do what you want. But you're not that girl.
They close by essentially invoking Hitler and closing down the thread, comparing Sterling's viewpoints to the Holocaust:

V: It's like saying, "Let's just persecute and kill all of the Jews."

DS: Oh, it's the same thing, right?

V: Isn't it wrong? Wasn't it wrong then? With the Holocaust? And you're Jewish, you understand discrimination.

DS: You're a mental case, you're really a mental case. The Holocaust, we're comparing with—

V: Racism! Discrimination.

DS: There's no racism here. If you don't want to be... walking... into a basketball game with a certain... person, is that racism?
Remember that these aren't the unfortunate offhand comments of an old man. These are expressions of a worldview that Sterling has acted upon time and time again, with real effects on real people, with little to no response from the NBA or its players. The difference in this case is the visceral effect of actually hearing him say these things out loud and oh so matter-of-factly. It's enough for even an actor as careful as LeBron James to feel empowered to take a flamethrower to Sterling, saying, "There is no room for Donald Sterling in our league."

http://deadspin.com/exclusive-the-extended-donald-sterling-tape-1568291249
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 27, 2014, 12:52:21 PM
Donald Sterling was going to honored with a lifetime achievement award from NAACP next month! :neogaf

spoiler (click to show/hide)
But not anymore, obviously.
[close]
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2014, 12:56:29 PM
how the fuck is that even possible. he was a known racist before this happened.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2014, 01:04:19 PM
Local chapters can act independently.

The clippers were suddenly hot.

I guess this dude who has owned them forever can't be too bad/racist since he employs a black coach and black players as conventional wisdom.


Stuff like that.

 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: etiolate on April 27, 2014, 01:33:52 PM
I don't even understand Sterling's defense of himself. Dude is living in a Bertram Cooper reality bubble.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2014, 01:36:35 PM
Quote from: etiolate on April 27, 2014, 01:33:52 PM
I don't even understand Sterling's defense of himself. Dude is living in a Bertram Cooper reality bubble.

It's the plantation owners mentality. It's alright to sleep with them. But they are still fundamentally beneath you even if you have to work with them. Living in the south its not so unusual a mentality.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2014, 02:04:35 PM
smh

The Manhattans as entertainment yall. Tells you the age demographic that will be there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2014, 03:04:23 PM
Washington is dusting the bulls even without Nene.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2014, 03:07:27 PM
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@JalenRose 6m

I'm hearing Clipper players will be turning their team-issued gear inside out (except for uniforms) for all of Game 4. #DonaldSterling

Weak. Especially in light of this:


Quote
DS: You just, do I know? I support them and give them food, and clothes, and cars, and houses. Who gives it to them? Does someone else give it to them? Do I know that I have—Who makes the game? Do I make the game, or do they make the game? Is there 30 owners, that created the league?

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2014, 03:12:55 PM
The coach has already made public statements about how they feel. You can ask the players to do the same. That's fair. The idea that they need to boycott the game imo is too far. They don't need to punish themselves. Either way its their call. Not the public's. Words are very powerful. You can use them for that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2014, 03:18:12 PM
It's their call, agreed. But there are black athletes who lost far more than a playoff series to stand up for what they believed in. Personally I would like to see a boycott but I won't shitcan them if they play.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: Mandark on April 27, 2014, 03:48:53 PM
Quote from: Esch on April 27, 2014, 02:02:27 PM
Looks attractive Jewish person PD was right about the NAACP

http://www.naacp-losangeles.org/events.php

:sabu scroll down and look at the lifetime achievement award recipient :sabu

 :ufup
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2014, 03:52:16 PM
What do you expect from a Turkish Muslim
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 27, 2014, 04:47:54 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2014, 03:18:12 PM
It's their call, agreed. But there are black athletes who lost far more than a playoff series to stand up for what they believed in. Personally I would like to see a boycott but I won't shitcan them if they play.

Ultimately though, they're trying to win a championship for themselves, too. I understand. Tommie Smith and John Carlos still got their medals.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2014, 05:35:03 PM
It looks like the Clippers are staging their protest by playing like shit.

 :shaq
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: etiolate on April 27, 2014, 06:03:13 PM
-You know how people say somebody has a baby face? Well Joakim Noah has an ugly baby face. There's something off there. He's that kid in the school trip photo that they keep trying to hide in the corners of the frame.
-Trevor Booker has horrible hands
-JVG calling out the lack of real boycott was odd. I wouldn't tell the Clips what to do in that situation. Further, it's the Clippers, so everyone should expect them to flop out of a boycott.
-I realize that I pretty much just watch the Warriors and Spurs in the playoffs. The east is kind of boring and the Heat era is rather boring.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2014, 06:07:01 PM
I think the playoffs so far have been great. Lots of close games. Lots of road wins.

And one thing I notice is that when bad calls happen in series with "minor" teams. It's quickly forgotten. When it happens in series with certain teams its all the media can talk about and then project into bias talks.

Not a diss at anybody in the thread. Legit observation that I always believed but has only been reinforced recently with these early playoff games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Don't bring black people to Playoff Time)
Post by: etiolate on April 27, 2014, 06:10:40 PM
Anything in a game with minor teams is forgotten, but that's part of the NBA's prob.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2014, 06:15:36 PM
I care more about whether the minor teams have a realistic chance to compete. That's a legit problem worthy of discussions on how to fix or if it needs fixing. Whether minor teams can be popular and draw ratings is a different problem than ref bias which draws a lot of conversation despite little actual analysis. But I digress. I'll get back to discussing the actual games. Sames goes for this Sterling stuff at least for me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: etiolate on April 27, 2014, 06:27:06 PM
From watching the NBA for years, competition balance, how the league is promoted and what it promotes ties heavily into the referee problem. I wish it was just the league having bad refs, but Ive seen too many trends and nonsense over the years.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2014, 06:31:49 PM
Quote from: etiolate on April 27, 2014, 06:27:06 PM
From watching the NBA for years, competition balance, how the league is promoted and what it promotes ties heavily into the referee problem. I wish it was just the league having bad refs, but Ive seen too many trends and nonsense over the years.

I've watched the same basketball you have and come to the complete opposite conclusion. Which is why some actual statistics on the issue or research would be nice rather than anecdotal stuff. Otherwise the discussion is moot which is generally why I frown upon it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: etiolate on April 27, 2014, 06:34:38 PM
You can't data this. You can't statistic this. Hell, you don't find evidence if the offenders are truly good at what they're doing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2014, 06:35:50 PM
sigh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Your Stalker on April 27, 2014, 06:48:11 PM
so did the clipfederacy throw the game?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: benjipwns on April 27, 2014, 07:22:24 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmQQRxpCUAAg-ok.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2014, 08:21:53 PM
Rockets game should be fun.

Harden is averaging 27 points a game and shooting 33%. He is gonna shoot a shitload tonight. His per 13.87 for the playoffs. 10 points worse than the regular season. It's either gonna be glorious or a trainwreck.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2014, 10:00:34 PM
wtf defense was that on Mathews by Harden.

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2014, 10:36:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-T2WN5cRT0
 :lol

smh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: benjipwns on April 27, 2014, 10:39:17 PM
 :whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2014, 10:48:12 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2014, 10:36:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-T2WN5cRT0
 :lol

smh


At least this isn't his usual bordeline near racist schtick I guess...

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: benjipwns on April 27, 2014, 10:51:16 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2014, 10:48:12 PM
At least this isn't his usual bordeline near racist schtick I guess...
THEY WOULDA FUCKIN LYNCHED YOU
THEY WOULDA FUCKIN LYNCHED YOU
THEY WOULDA FUCKIN LYNCHED YOU
THEY WOULDA FUCKIN LYNCHED YOU
THEY WOULDA FUCKIN
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2014, 10:54:45 PM
Good half for the rockets. But it feels like the team is so dependent on 3 point shooting that if it ever goes cold then its over.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2014, 11:54:35 PM
By far Harden's most efficient game offensively in the series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2014, 12:05:26 AM
lol. insane shot by harden that went in there.

This is the most entertaining first round series and that is saying something.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2014, 12:11:51 AM
lol at Reggie Miller making the implication that Harden's poor defense is because he is mad at not getting touches.

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2014, 12:19:36 AM
Nice D by howard on both plays.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 28, 2014, 12:25:00 AM
 :ohhh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2014, 12:25:16 AM
wow
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 28, 2014, 12:26:00 AM
Holy shit dude
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Your Stalker on April 28, 2014, 12:26:14 AM
jeremy lin  :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2014, 12:27:36 AM
 :mouf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2014, 12:30:43 AM
Howard

 :obama

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 28, 2014, 12:31:23 AM
They really needed to foul him there
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2014, 12:32:44 AM
Quote from: Spencer on April 28, 2014, 12:31:23 AM
They really needed to foul him there

It was a pretty clever play though. I think everybody and his brother thought Harden was gonna shoot there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2014, 12:35:37 AM
Most overtime first round playoff games ever.

Also the number of road wins this round has been historically insane.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 28, 2014, 12:36:29 AM
Yeah, hindsight 20/20 and all that.


Howard losing that ball :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Mandark on April 28, 2014, 12:38:26 AM
These playoffs have been bananers so far.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2014, 12:40:35 AM
Reggie Miller is god damn terrible.

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2014, 12:49:27 AM
Daniels.

 :mynicca
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2014, 12:57:43 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2014, 12:49:27 AM
Daniels.

 :mynicca
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Beezy on April 28, 2014, 12:59:50 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on April 28, 2014, 12:57:38 AM
Jesus Christ, can someone put a stake in the Rockets already? This shit is ridiculous.
Daniels is really saving them tonight. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 28, 2014, 01:00:33 AM
Kinda funny that I'm happy to see my former hated rivals, the Blazers, doing well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2014, 01:01:21 AM
Game of the Forever!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 28, 2014, 01:38:57 AM
Has been a really great series
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Your Stalker on April 28, 2014, 02:30:19 AM
the floppers cancelled practice
https://twitter.com/ArashMarkazi/status/460565903914987521
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 28, 2014, 06:42:07 AM
Quote from: Your Stalker on April 28, 2014, 02:30:19 AM
the floppers cancelled practice
https://twitter.com/ArashMarkazi/status/460565903914987521

Cue a million racist tweets.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2014, 04:58:11 PM
Al Jefferson doubtful for tonight. Miami has gotten the perfect playoff situation for themselves.

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/10851827/2014-nba-playoffs-al-jefferson-charlotte-bobcats-walking-needles-doubtful-play-game-4
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 28, 2014, 05:10:57 PM
Poor Professor Al.  Dude had a monstrous season and should've OBVIOUSLY been an all-star instead of Hibbert for the East.

Here's hoping the Hornets return next year with a vengeance.  They're a fun flawed team to watch -- Kardiac Kemba, Jesus Christ McBob, Professor Al, MKG aka the Law Firm...if they pick up a decent draft pick next year and maybe sign a strong free agent, they'll be interesting next year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 28, 2014, 05:38:00 PM
Quote from: Your Stalker on April 28, 2014, 02:30:19 AM
the floppers cancelled practice
https://twitter.com/ArashMarkazi/status/460565903914987521

shouldn't have played yesterday, they clearly weren't mentally in the game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: benjipwns on April 28, 2014, 07:56:30 PM
https://vine.co/v/MvHLUYYvEmu

 :teehee
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 28, 2014, 09:01:24 PM
WTF is wrong with the Pacers?  Down 21 (!!!).  What a disaster of a team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 28, 2014, 09:03:10 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 28, 2014, 09:01:24 PM
WTF is wrong with the Pacers?  Down 21 (!!!).  What a disaster of a team.
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/stripper-allegedly-turns-down-1-million-to-not-have-paul-georges-baby.188055/

:hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 28, 2014, 09:07:29 PM
those pregnancy titties :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 28, 2014, 09:23:55 PM
Lord, Lebron is destroying the Bobcats in the post right now
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2014, 09:42:56 PM
Shane Battier seems to have been banished to the cornfield. I would think this would have been a nice series to try to get him some confidence if they actually have plans to use him in the post-season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2014, 10:20:34 PM
Hawks doing their best to give up a 30 point lead.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2014, 10:39:32 PM
Pacers played a lot better in desperation mode but it was too late.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 28, 2014, 10:41:39 PM
Jesus Christ, I might have to claim ownership of the Hawks if they can beat the Pacers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Beezy on April 28, 2014, 10:55:09 PM
Hibbert had no points and no rebounds. :shaq2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Your Stalker on April 28, 2014, 11:08:15 PM
and only 12 minutes (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/dahell2.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2014, 12:00:24 AM
This Mav/Spurs series is also extremely close and entertaining.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 29, 2014, 12:09:00 AM
Goddamn Mavs!

Although Dirk has looked relatively weak this series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2014, 12:15:23 AM
These Larry Bird gifs are gold.

(http://media.giphy.com/media/2XskdWz9y363OIIeLPq/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 29, 2014, 12:16:00 AM
Suit up Larry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2014, 12:24:26 AM
Huge Diaw 3.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 29, 2014, 12:25:56 AM
Ginobli, dood
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2014, 12:28:33 AM
Good shot for Ellis. Just didn't fall.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 29, 2014, 12:29:25 AM
Darn.  Monta had a great look, just had to toss it a bit higher off the glass.  Nearly went in.

Welp, this series ended up being great.  This and the OKC/Memphis series are amazing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Beezy on April 29, 2014, 12:55:06 AM
Blazers/Rockets still da bestest.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2014, 07:26:10 AM
http://time.com/79590/donald-sterling-kareem-abdul-jabbar-racism/
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Moral outrage is exhausting. And dangerous. The whole country has gotten a severe case of carpal tunnel syndrome from the newest popular sport of Extreme Finger Wagging. Not to mention the neck strain from Olympic tryouts for Morally Superior Head Shaking. All over the latest in a long line of rich white celebrities to come out of the racist closet. (Was it only a couple days ago that Cliven Bundy said blacks would be better off picking cotton as slaves? And only last June Paula Deen admitted using the “N” word?)

Yes, I’m angry, too, but not just about the sins of Donald Sterling. I’ve got a list. But let’s start with Sterling. I used to work for him, back in 2000 when I coached for the Clippers for three months. He was congenial, even inviting me to his daughter’s wedding. Nothing happened or was said to indicate he suffered from IPMS (Irritable Plantation Master Syndrome). Since then, a lot has been revealed about Sterling’s business practices:

2006: U.S. Dept. of Justice sued Sterling for housing discrimination. Allegedly, he said, “Black tenants smell and attract vermin.”
2009: He reportedly paid $2.73 million in a Justice Dept. suit alleging he discriminated against blacks, Hispanics, and families with children in his rentals. (He also had to pay an additional nearly $5 million in attorneys fees and costs due to his counsel’s “sometimes outrageous conduct.”)
2009: Clippers executive (and one of the greatest NBA players in history) sued for employment discrimination based on age and race.

And now the poor guy’s girlfriend (undoubtedly ex-girlfriend now) is on tape cajoling him into revealing his racism. Man, what a winding road she led him down to get all of that out. She was like a sexy nanny playing “pin the fried chicken on the Sambo.” She blindfolded him and spun him around until he was just blathering all sorts of incoherent racist sound bites that had the news media peeing themselves with glee.

...

What bothers me about this whole Donald Sterling affair isn’t just his racism. I’m bothered that everyone acts as if it’s a huge surprise. Now there’s all this dramatic and very public rending of clothing about whether they should keep their expensive Clippers season tickets. Really? All this other stuff I listed above has been going on for years and this ridiculous conversation with his girlfriend is what puts you over the edge? That’s the smoking gun?

He was discriminating against black and Hispanic families for years, preventing them from getting housing. It was public record. We did nothing. Suddenly he says he doesn’t want his girlfriend posing with Magic Johnson on Instagram and we bring out the torches and rope. Shouldn’t we have all called for his resignation back then?

Shouldn’t we be equally angered by the fact that his private, intimate conversation was taped and then leaked to the media? Didn’t we just call to task the NSA for intruding into American citizen’s privacy in such an un-American way? Although the impact is similar to Mitt Romney’s comments that were secretly taped, the difference is that Romney was giving a public speech. The making and release of this tape is so sleazy that just listening to it makes me feel like an accomplice to the crime. We didn’t steal the cake but we’re all gorging ourselves on it.

Make no mistake: Donald Sterling is the villain of this story. But he’s just a handmaiden to the bigger evil. In our quest for social justice, we shouldn’t lose sight that racism is the true enemy. He’s just another jerk with more money than brains.

So, if we’re all going to be outraged, let’s be outraged that we weren’t more outraged when his racism was first evident. Let’s be outraged that private conversations between people in an intimate relationship are recorded and publicly played. Let’s be outraged that whoever did the betraying will probably get a book deal, a sitcom, trade recipes with Hoda and Kathie Lee, and soon appear on Celebrity Apprentice and Dancing with the Stars.

The big question is “What should be done next?” I hope Sterling loses his franchise. I hope whoever made this illegal tape is sent to prison. I hope the Clippers continue to be unconditionally supported by their fans. I hope the Clippers realize that the ramblings of an 80-year-old man jealous of his young girlfriend don’t define who they are as individual players or as a team. They aren’t playing for Sterling—they’re playing for themselves, for the fans, for showing the world that neither basketball, nor our American ideals, are defined by a few pathetic men or women.

Let’s use this tawdry incident to remind ourselves of the old saying: “Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom.” Instead of being content to punish Sterling and go back to sleep, we need to be inspired to vigilantly seek out, expose, and eliminate racism at its first signs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2014, 08:10:58 AM
Pretty much how I feel on certain aspects of this.

My issue with the Sterling thing is how easy it is. And how that's not really relative to how normal people experience prejudice/racism. It's one of those feel good moments where we can all dog pile on somebody who deserves to be dog-piled on but it doesn't address the larger issues. It doesn't address how he was able to maintain the franchise for so long even with all the cloud of stink around him. It doesn't address the real prejudice and racism that is a bigger issue and isn't just the crazy rantings of a rich old billionaire.

I hope people take that anger and self reflection back to the more normal issues that involve our everyday lives instead of waiting for somebody to be taped saying stupid stuff.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 29, 2014, 02:19:43 PM
Holy shit, banned for life. But what about ownership?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Shadow Mod on April 29, 2014, 02:34:43 PM
PC POLICE AND OUTRAGE

 :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2014, 02:38:53 PM
Quote
NBA Commissioner Adam Silver announced a lifetime ban from the NBA for the owner of the Los Angeles Clippers after he was recorded making a series of racist comments that sparked a controversy that transcended the sports world.

“Effective immediately, I am banning Mr. Sterling for life from any association with the Clippers organization or the NBA,” Silver said during a press conference in New York on Tuesday afternoon. “Mr. Sterling may not attend any NBA games or practices. He may not be present at any Clippers facility. He may not participate in any business or player personnel decisions.”

Silver, in his first season as league commissioner, apologized on behalf of the NBA for the offensive comments made by Sterling. He also revealed his intent to force Sterling to eventually sell the franchise.

The longtime owner of the Clippers was caught making racist comments in audio recordings obtained by TMZ and Deadspin. In the recorded conversations, Sterling could be heard telling a woman, V. Stiviano, not to bring black friends to Clippers game or to post photos of herself with black people, including NBA legend Magic Johnson, on her Instagram account. The first recording was released over the weekend and Silver promised on Saturday that the NBA would "move extraordinarily quickly" in investigating the comments.

On Tuesday, Silver announced the following sanctions for Sterling:

Sterling is banned for life from the NBA.
Sterling will pay a fine of $2.5 million.
Silver will attempt to force Sterling to sell the Clippers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Brehvolution on April 29, 2014, 02:44:43 PM
(http://i58.tinypic.com/24dr045.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Himu on April 29, 2014, 02:55:46 PM
I find lifelong suspension, 2+ million fine, as well as urging to sell the Clippers to be...excessive. Then again, I seem to be the only black person in America who does not give a flying fuck what the dude said.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Himu on April 29, 2014, 02:57:46 PM
Can't wait for the moral outrage culture to backfire and we see a major regression in the 2020's. :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 29, 2014, 02:57:46 PM
Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on April 29, 2014, 02:55:46 PM
I find lifelong suspension, 2+ million fine, as well as urging to sell the Clippers to be...excessive. Then again, I seem to be the only black person in America who does not give a flying fuck what the dude said.

Maybe you should just stay out in the plantation fields then
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 29, 2014, 02:58:03 PM
I think it's all overblown. But he's an epic piece of shit, so it's hard to have any sympathy for him.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2014, 02:58:46 PM
Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on April 29, 2014, 02:55:46 PM
Then again, I seem to be the only black person in America who does not give a flying fuck what the dude said.

That's because he didn't diss Shenmue or Dynasty Warriors.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Himu on April 29, 2014, 03:00:13 PM
It's definitely overblown. But in the end, hopefully this means I'll have to stop hearing about it!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 29, 2014, 03:01:08 PM
I can't see Stern going this far, or Goddell in the NFL. Pretty impressed although my only gripe is that banning him from attending games seems odd. If he wants to attend a game so be it, put him on the jumbo tron and let people boo the fuck out of him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Shadow Mod on April 29, 2014, 03:01:43 PM
I'd be pretty content if some asshole boss who sees me as nothing more than some slave picking cotton basketballs was replaced.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Brehvolution on April 29, 2014, 03:02:21 PM
I guess faux news is pissy that people can tell a billionaire what to do.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2014, 03:04:01 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 29, 2014, 03:01:08 PM
I can't see Stern going this far, or Goddell in the NFL. Pretty impressed although my only gripe is that banning him from attending games seems odd. If he wants to attend a game so be it, put him on the jumbo tron and let people boo the fuck out of him.

They would have if there was audio tape. That is the key thing here. It was no longer a he said, she said allegation thing. Once it became, here is clear audio tape of a racist dude being racist that you can listen to at any time, you then had to drop the hammer. Especially in a league that is so clearly tied to black support.

Good on Silver. The only real surprise is how quick the whole thing went but in today's age, the speed of this stuff gets accelerated once it becomes such national news. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Himu on April 29, 2014, 03:07:07 PM
I was surprised Silver did something so fast. Last week it seemed he was just going to get fined. Definitely shows the balls on Silver.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 29, 2014, 03:09:03 PM
Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on April 29, 2014, 02:57:46 PM
Can't wait for the moral outrage culture to backfire and we see a major regression in the 2020's. :rejoice

I doubt it. What we're seeing right now is the last gasp of the old racist CAC generation, feebly clutching at their vanishing relevance. In another decade or two, they'll all be dead and the young urban hipsters of today will be in charge.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Beezy on April 29, 2014, 03:09:34 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2014, 03:04:01 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 29, 2014, 03:01:08 PM
I can't see Stern going this far, or Goddell in the NFL. Pretty impressed although my only gripe is that banning him from attending games seems odd. If he wants to attend a game so be it, put him on the jumbo tron and let people boo the fuck out of him.

They would have if there was audio tape. That is the key thing here. It was no longer a he said, she said allegation thing. Once it became, here is clear audio tape of a racist dude being racist that you can listen to at any time, you then had to drop the hammer. Especially in a league that is so clearly tied to black support.

Good on Silver. The only real surprise is how quick the whole thing went but in today's age, the speed of this stuff gets accelerated once it becomes such national news.
No one seems to understand this for some reason.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 29, 2014, 03:11:00 PM
#HebrewHammer
:rejoice

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 29, 2014, 03:11:55 PM
One thing is for sure, Sterling's never been fucked by a young woman like this before.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Your Stalker on April 29, 2014, 03:14:35 PM
Death to the Clipfederacy!  :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Himu on April 29, 2014, 03:17:08 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on April 29, 2014, 03:09:03 PM
Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on April 29, 2014, 02:57:46 PM
Can't wait for the moral outrage culture to backfire and we see a major regression in the 2020's. :rejoice

I doubt it. What we're seeing right now is the last gasp of the old racist CAC generation, feebly clutching at their vanishing relevance. In another decade or two, they'll all be dead and the young urban hipsters of today will be in charge.

Yes, and the pro-sex, anti-war, pro-drug baby boomer generation okay'd the war on drugs, gave rise to anti-feminist pro-abstinence pap, and started multiple wars. Then again, it has been argued that the youth culture movement wasn't so much as an actual culture shift as it was a drug culture, and people just made those their views because it was cool at the time. So we'll see.

Ultimately though, why I'm so apathetic about this is highlighted in the Time article written by Mr. Jabbar. Not only is it not surprising, it feels as if the main reason these people are going so hard on this is because they don't have direct control of racism that they do face on a regular basis, so they feel that with this they can finally stick it to the man. Makes sense. But the guy said very unflattering remarks about the NBA's main target demo, so he was going to go anyways - just a matter of time. Just sit and relax, people. Instead, there's outrage that the dude needs to go immediately, and will probably help breed even more contempt towards blacks in someone else - somewhere, somehow. In the end, firing this guy doesn't do much to change the landscape of America, where the black unemployment rate is 12.1. But you got a basketball team owner fired, bravo.

It angers me that there's so many racial issues in America, but the only ones that ever get as much press as this one is when someone makes flavorful remarks about another race, rather than showing actual empathy towards an entire races living experience.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2014, 03:21:02 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on April 29, 2014, 03:11:55 PM
One thing is for sure, Sterling's never been fucked by a young woman like this before.

This is the level of discussion/argmuent I had with my brother on the issue.

His (my brother's) entire premise was essentially some variation on the idea that gold diggers should have honor!

Where as for me it seemed like an incredibly dumb naive move for somebody to think that their 20 something year old trophy girlfriend wouldn't get back at you if you pissed them off enough.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Shadow Mod on April 29, 2014, 03:21:08 PM
Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on April 29, 2014, 03:17:08 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on April 29, 2014, 03:09:03 PM
Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on April 29, 2014, 02:57:46 PM
Can't wait for the moral outrage culture to backfire and we see a major regression in the 2020's. :rejoice

I doubt it. What we're seeing right now is the last gasp of the old racist CAC generation, feebly clutching at their vanishing relevance. In another decade or two, they'll all be dead and the young urban hipsters of today will be in charge.

Yes, and the pro-sex, anti-war, pro-drug baby boomer generation okay'd the war on drugs, gave rise to anti-feminist pro-abstinence pap, and started multiple wars. Then again, it has been argued that the youth culture movement wasn't so much as an actual culture shift as it was a drug culture, and people just made those their views because it was cool at the time. So we'll see.

Ultimately though, why I'm so apathetic about this is highlighted in the Time article written by Mr. Jabbar. Not only is it not surprising, it feels as if the main reason these people are going so hard on this is because they don't have direct control of racism that they do face on a regular basis, so they feel that with this they can finally stick it to the man. Makes sense. But the guy said very unflattering remarks about the NBA's main target demo, so he was going to go anyways - just a matter of time. Just sit and relax, people. Instead, there's outrage that the dude needs to go immediately, and will probably help breed even more contempt towards blacks in someone else - somewhere, somehow. In the end, firing this guy doesn't do much to change the landscape of America, where the black unemployment rate is 12.1. But you got a basketball team owner fired, bravo.

It angers me that there's so many racial issues in America, but the only ones that ever get as much press as this one is when someone makes flavorful remarks about another race, rather than showing actual empathy towards an entire races living experience.

Some battles are just easier that doesn't make them completely bogus. A racist fuckass is getting shutout from the NBA. Yes there are other problems but are you doing anything personally to stem the tide?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2014, 03:24:47 PM
Quote from: Needs More Cowbell on April 29, 2014, 03:21:08 PM
Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on April 29, 2014, 03:17:08 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on April 29, 2014, 03:09:03 PM
Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on April 29, 2014, 02:57:46 PM
Can't wait for the moral outrage culture to backfire and we see a major regression in the 2020's. :rejoice

I doubt it. What we're seeing right now is the last gasp of the old racist CAC generation, feebly clutching at their vanishing relevance. In another decade or two, they'll all be dead and the young urban hipsters of today will be in charge.

Yes, and the pro-sex, anti-war, pro-drug baby boomer generation okay'd the war on drugs, gave rise to anti-feminist pro-abstinence pap, and started multiple wars. Then again, it has been argued that the youth culture movement wasn't so much as an actual culture shift as it was a drug culture, and people just made those their views because it was cool at the time. So we'll see.

Ultimately though, why I'm so apathetic about this is highlighted in the Time article written by Mr. Jabbar. Not only is it not surprising, it feels as if the main reason these people are going so hard on this is because they don't have direct control of racism that they do face on a regular basis, so they feel that with this they can finally stick it to the man. Makes sense. But the guy said very unflattering remarks about the NBA's main target demo, so he was going to go anyways - just a matter of time. Just sit and relax, people. Instead, there's outrage that the dude needs to go immediately, and will probably help breed even more contempt towards blacks in someone else - somewhere, somehow. In the end, firing this guy doesn't do much to change the landscape of America, where the black unemployment rate is 12.1. But you got a basketball team owner fired, bravo.

It angers me that there's so many racial issues in America, but the only ones that ever get as much press as this one is when someone makes flavorful remarks about another race, rather than showing actual empathy towards an entire races living experience.

Some battles are just easier that doesn't make them completely bogus. A racist fuckass is getting shutout from the NBA. Yes there are other problems but are you doing anything personally to stem the tide?

Roughly this. America (and people in general no matter what the culture) are always going to cling to dumb simple answers and gravitate to dumb simple issues. Because they are easier to understand.  Actually dealing with real racism and prejudice is hard. Both internally, institutionally, etc. That doesn't mean that when a dumb racist pops his head up, you don't whack-a-mole his ass down.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: T-Short on April 29, 2014, 03:32:25 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 29, 2014, 03:01:08 PM
I can't see Stern going this far, or Goddell in the NFL. Pretty impressed although my only gripe is that banning him from attending games seems odd. If he wants to attend a game so be it, put him on the jumbo tron and let people boo the fuck out of him.

"boo"? the game attendance ban might be for his own safety. if he showed up at a game and they showed him on the jumbotron i'd expect him to leave the place with an asshole like a vintage golf bag
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Himu on April 29, 2014, 03:32:56 PM
I understand why people are outraged, and he deserved the reaction, but it doesn't make it any easier.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: etiolate on April 29, 2014, 03:39:08 PM
Silver is also considering potential loss in sponsors and anger from the networks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 29, 2014, 03:41:09 PM
Quote from: Hyoushi on April 29, 2014, 03:32:25 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 29, 2014, 03:01:08 PM
I can't see Stern going this far, or Goddell in the NFL. Pretty impressed although my only gripe is that banning him from attending games seems odd. If he wants to attend a game so be it, put him on the jumbo tron and let people boo the fuck out of him.

"boo"? the game attendance ban might be for his own safety. if he showed up at a game and they showed him on the jumbotron i'd expect him to leave the place with an asshole like a vintage golf bag

never said it would be safe
:hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Beezy on April 29, 2014, 03:49:35 PM
Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on April 29, 2014, 03:17:08 PM
In the end, firing this guy doesn't do much to change the landscape of America, where the black unemployment rate is 12.1. But you got a basketball team owner fired, bravo.

#facepalm
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 29, 2014, 03:52:54 PM
Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on April 29, 2014, 03:17:08 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on April 29, 2014, 03:09:03 PM
Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on April 29, 2014, 02:57:46 PM
Can't wait for the moral outrage culture to backfire and we see a major regression in the 2020's. :rejoice

I doubt it. What we're seeing right now is the last gasp of the old racist CAC generation, feebly clutching at their vanishing relevance. In another decade or two, they'll all be dead and the young urban hipsters of today will be in charge.

Yes, and the pro-sex, anti-war, pro-drug baby boomer generation okay'd the war on drugs, gave rise to anti-feminist pro-abstinence pap, and started multiple wars. Then again, it has been argued that the youth culture movement wasn't so much as an actual culture shift as it was a drug culture, and people just made those their views because it was cool at the time. So we'll see.

Ultimately though, why I'm so apathetic about this is highlighted in the Time article written by Mr. Jabbar. Not only is it not surprising, it feels as if the main reason these people are going so hard on this is because they don't have direct control of racism that they do face on a regular basis, so they feel that with this they can finally stick it to the man. Makes sense. But the guy said very unflattering remarks about the NBA's main target demo, so he was going to go anyways - just a matter of time. Just sit and relax, people. Instead, there's outrage that the dude needs to go immediately, and will probably help breed even more contempt towards blacks in someone else - somewhere, somehow. In the end, firing this guy doesn't do much to change the landscape of America, where the black unemployment rate is 12.1. But you got a basketball team owner fired, bravo.

It angers me that there's so many racial issues in America, but the only ones that ever get as much press as this one is when someone makes flavorful remarks about another race, rather than showing actual empathy towards an entire races living experience.

(http://i.imgur.com/SOwCzsF.png)
what the fuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 29, 2014, 04:55:22 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/jQEwGhE.png)

:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 29, 2014, 05:51:39 PM
:drudge

Donald Sterling Tells Fox Reporter: The Clippers Are Not For Sale
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/donald-sterling-clippers-not-for-sale-fox
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: etiolate on April 29, 2014, 06:38:35 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/67878/vivek-ranadive-ill-lead-the-motion-to-force-sale

I don't know if a rookie owner should be the one to push this and hope to get it done.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 29, 2014, 06:50:23 PM
In that article it says 29/29 came out in favor of the decision, I'd be surprised if it didn't happened regardless of who initiates.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 29, 2014, 06:51:22 PM
Diddy and Mayweather reportedly interested in ownership
:leon

they should join Magic's bid.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2014, 07:31:56 PM
Sterling should agree to a compromise where he sells the team but Magic is banned from going to any NBA games. Or appearing on any telecast.

Quote from: Zero Hero on April 29, 2014, 03:02:21 PM
I guess faux news is pissy that people can tell a billionaire what to do.
Nobody tell them it's other billionaires.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2014, 08:43:00 PM
Wiz still looking good.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2014, 09:44:09 PM
Quote
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Roger Mason said players were prepared to boycott tonight's games if they were not satisfied with punishment. Not just Clippers & Warriors.
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I wonder if they would have had the guts to boycott like the Pacers last night.
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Roy should try to save his career by claiming that.
:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2014, 10:16:15 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/6oyZy7x.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 29, 2014, 10:29:56 PM
chicago couldn't get a rebound to save their life
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2014, 10:31:07 PM
Who would have thunk it that the Wizards have a pretty nice path to conference finals especially obviously if the Hawks beat the Pacers.

Miami are the gods of luck this off-season.

Imagine how different this off-season would be if playoff teams were seeded on a league basis rather than a conference basis.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2014, 10:49:27 PM
Thunder getting their ass kicked at the moment.

Poor Durant. If he loses this series now the stupid can't win the big one meme will start big time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2014, 10:55:04 PM
Do you think the Wizards (and Hawks for that manner) are as surprised as everyone else? Like they get in the locker room after the games and are like "what in the fuck is going on with us!"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2014, 11:01:15 PM
Grizz can be so frustrating. They have such great defense but then go on these epic runs of not being able to do anything on offense that costs them games like this.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Mandark on April 29, 2014, 11:06:17 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on April 29, 2014, 10:55:04 PM
Do you think the Wizards (and Hawks for that manner) are as surprised as everyone else? Like they get in the locker room after the games and are like "what in the fuck is going on with us!"

I was a bit surprised everyone took the Bulls.  I thought the Wizards were clearly a better, more talented team when healthy.  Every one of my friends who follow the Wizards wanted to catch the Chicago in the first round.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 29, 2014, 11:42:12 PM
The Pacers have sucked the past month plus, right? I still don't think anyone was picking the Hawks. Certainly no one I know other than maybe one crazy ass Atlanta sports fan, but I don't take her seriously.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2014, 11:46:06 PM
Some of the people who really follow the Pacers professionally were actually picking the Hawks. What they were seeing was so alarming that they legit thought the Pacers had lost whatever they once had.  I personally still thought the Pacers would win but there was some legit thought that the Hawks could be a problem for the Pacers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2014, 11:46:29 PM
Wow Grizz.

Amazing play by Bestbrook.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2014, 11:48:12 PM
My god grizz. You have blown this series.

Another OT game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2014, 11:52:18 PM
Huge Miller 3's
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2014, 12:05:57 AM
Joey Crawford distracting Durant!

 :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2014, 12:09:19 AM
Holy shit. What a bizarre ending
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: grognard on April 30, 2014, 12:11:47 AM
Haha, that was close.  I hope the Grizz close this out in game 6.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2014, 12:16:31 AM
https://vine.co/v/MrB6KelU0Dn

 :lol


(http://giant.gfycat.com/WeeFewCornsnake.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Mandark on April 30, 2014, 12:25:01 AM
TV crapped out at the wrong time.  I saw Ibaka got the shot off too late.  What happened with Crawford and Durant there?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2014, 12:26:38 AM
Something about the incorrect number of fouls listed on the scoreboard where the players look.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Your Stalker on April 30, 2014, 01:41:57 AM
what a clown
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2014, 01:56:55 AM
https://twitter.com/WashWizards/status/461336007376642049
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2014, 10:54:30 AM
Look at PER from the playoffs and some quick random thoughts.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/seasontype/3


The Thunder can still win their series but it seems like they got the worst bit of luck possible. They ended up matching up with a team that is a terrible match up for them anyway. The Grizz were the 7th seed but Marc Gasol only played 59 games. With him healthier, they would have ended up the 4th seed or even higher.

And Durant and Westbrook are under performing at the moment relative to their season numbers. Durant especially is way way down on his season performance. Obviously this is due to the great defense of the grizz and without a real solid third scoring option ala Harden, they are struggling. Every game has been close. So this series could be going the other way easily but its not so it is what it is.

Dallas seems to be giving the Spurs fits at the moment which is amazing considering Dirk is playing terribly. His per is 11.31. 106th in the post-season. I just think Carlise is the best coach in basketball. He always makes do with what he has and gets them to over-perform. So sad his championship roster got destroyed back in the day.

The Clips seem to be overperforming relative to the regular season. DeAndre has emerged as that third piece they always needed along with Paul and Blake. All three have PER's over 20. Curious to see if he can keep it up.




Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 30, 2014, 10:57:10 AM
Damn, Miami really IS lucking into a piss easy playoffs run:

- No Bulls
- Looks like no Pacers
- Just needs to get past a hobbled old Nets team, most likely
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 30, 2014, 11:05:34 AM
I'm sure Awesom-O will bring this up nonstop if the Heat win.

Spurs look shaky too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2014, 11:06:31 AM
As crazy as it sounds I still think the Pacers have a chance (to beat the Hawks at least). I think they will go with what got them to close the gap in the last game. A smaller, quicker, line-up. I think Vogel is desperate enough now to go with whatever works instead of being afraid of ruffling feathers. And I think a small line-up is much more attractive against the hawks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Beezy on April 30, 2014, 11:08:20 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2014, 10:54:30 AM
And Durant and Westbrook are under performing at the moment relative to their season numbers. Durant especially is way way down on his season performance. Obviously this is due to the great defense of the grizz and without a real solid third scoring option ala Harden, they are struggling. Every game has been close. So this series could be going the other way easily but its not so it is what it is.
Scott Brooks
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling banned. Knicks fans still have Dolan though)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2014, 11:13:31 AM
Scott Brooks certainly isn't ideal but I really do think the series could be either way. Tony Allen alone has almost handed the Thunder multiple games by himself. Which is not to take away from this tremendous effort on defense. Just to say that his thinking on the court at critical times, scares the shit out of me. If they lose in the first round here Brooks is almost certainly gone. I'm probably just being a hater here but I think brooks honestly isn't any worse than
Spoelstra. By that I mean they are both intensly mediocre NBA coaches. One has just gotten a bit luckier.

Every day now I think somebody in the Thunder organization must be kicking themselves about letting Harden go. In the old days if Durant and Westbrook were struggling you had this amazing third scoring option to bail you out. With that gone the grizz seem tailor made to match up against them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rockets/Blazers Elimination game tonight)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 30, 2014, 11:39:57 AM
Don't forget Mike OKC Killer Miller
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rockets/Blazers Elimination game tonight)
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 30, 2014, 12:13:44 PM
Joey Crawford should get a lifetime ban.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rockets/Blazers Elimination game tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2014, 09:37:14 PM
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/10864513/mike-dantoni-resigns-coach-los-angeles-lakers
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rockets/Blazers Elimination game tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2014, 09:38:00 PM
Good effort by Dallas. Just not enough defense for them to stop the Spurs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rockets/Blazers Elimination game tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2014, 10:12:10 PM
Another crazy game. Nets made a huge comeback on the raptors.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rockets/Blazers Elimination game tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2014, 10:17:21 PM
Another potential 4 point play for the Nets. Wow.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rockets/Blazers Elimination game tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2014, 10:25:25 PM
wow at that back court throw.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rockets/Blazers Elimination game tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2014, 10:28:09 PM
Crazy game. Nets came back from 26 down. 20 down in the 4th quarter. Almost won it. Nets outscored them 44-24 in the last quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rockets/Blazers Elimination game tonight)
Post by: Your Stalker on April 30, 2014, 10:29:38 PM
how long until the rockets give up this 14 point lead?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rockets/Blazers Elimination game tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2014, 10:31:29 PM
Minimum by the middle of the 3rd quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rockets/Blazers Elimination game tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2014, 11:36:45 PM
https://vine.co/v/MrqHJlxhaUD
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rockets/Blazers Elimination game tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 01, 2014, 12:05:03 AM
So close again. As expected.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rockets/Blazers Elimination game tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 01, 2014, 12:07:37 AM
Harden looks lost.

edit: lol then he hits two buckets.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rockets/Blazers Elimination game tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 01, 2014, 12:17:36 AM
OMG good Harden defensive play.

 :ohhh


Looks like rockets stay alive for another game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rockets/Blazers Elimination game tonight)
Post by: Beezy on May 01, 2014, 12:41:36 AM
No way Linsanity shows up a 2nd time in a series. Game 6 should be the last.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rockets/Blazers Elimination game tonight)
Post by: HiResDes on May 01, 2014, 09:15:45 AM
Yo these games have been crazy with numerous buzzer beaters and four point plays. I haven't felt this much and trepidation regarding a playoff series in a decade. The NBA is so good right now with all of the young guns and the old has-beens coming together.

I the Mavs/Spurs series is surprisingly my favorite. It's way closer than I thought with Dirk playing awesome as usual and both Monte Ellis and Vince Carter ballin as well. The no-calls during Game 5 were bullshit though, but I can't be too mad because the Mavs pretty much decided not to box anyone out whatsoever. Also Devin Harris's defense on Tony Parker would make Steve Nash blush.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (3 potential Elimination games tonight)
Post by: benjipwns on May 01, 2014, 09:07:38 PM
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/10867253/los-angeles-lakers-plan-court-kevin-ollie-uconn-huskies-john-calipari-kentucky-wildcats
Quote
The Los Angeles Lakers plan a drawn-out and exhaustive search for Mike D'Antoni's successor as coach, but sources close to the process insist the team hopes to "make a splash" with its eventual hire.

To that end, sources say, Lakers officials intend to reach out to two of the biggest names in the college game -- UConn's Kevin Ollie and Kentucky's John Calipari -- to at least gauge their interest in the job.

The Lakers also plan to reach out to the Chicago Bulls for permission to interview coach Tom Thibodeau, a source told ESPNLosAngeles.com's Dave McMenamin. The Lakers are closely monitoring the playoffs, believing that several viable candidates could become available should their respective teams be eliminated.

The Lakers' immediate aims, sources say, are to focus on the draft and free agency, and to "hold back [on the coaching front] until they get a better sense of the marketplace."

...

Ollie's close relationship with Oklahoma City star Kevin Durant is well known around the league and bound to make the young coach of the newly minted NCAA champions a target of any team with aspirations of trying to lure Durant from the Thunder in free agency in 2016.

Sources say Derek Fisher, who came into the league alongside Kobe Bryant in 1996-97 and currently is Durant's teammate in Oklahoma City, will also be considered if he's indeed interested in making the immediate jump to coaching. Fisher has maintained for months that this will be his final season as a player and is believed to prefer a front-office career to coaching, but his relationship with the Lakers is such that Fisher has to be considered a viable candidate for the bench.

To this point, sources say, Bryant has not made any coaching suggestions, but the Lakers are expected to consult the 35-year-old star on the matter as he prepares to return from a 2013-14 season in which he was limited to six games because of Achilles and knee issues. Bryant's two-year, $48.5 million extension will kick in next season.

The Lakers are also expected to look at the current NBA coaching ranks and consider a number of veterans and top assistants, so several more names are likely to surface as the search unfolds.

...

In terms of other potential candidates, Lakers officials have long held ESPN analyst Jeff Van Gundy in high regard. They also, according to sources, plan to again interview former Lakers and Clippers coach Mike Dunleavy, who was considered for the job in the wake of Mike Brown's dismissal, when the Lakers ultimately opted for D'Antoni over Phil Jackson and Dunleavy.

It's believed that Byron Scott and Kurt Rambis, both former Lakers from the team's 1980s glory days, will be considered as well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (3 potential Elimination games tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 01, 2014, 09:07:48 PM
Hibbert.

 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (3 potential Elimination games tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 01, 2014, 09:42:41 PM
Big shot by West.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (3 potential Elimination games tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 01, 2014, 09:48:44 PM
Hawks had it. Couldn't execute down the stretch.


Waste of a gif now.


(http://giant.gfycat.com/FreeCluelessKillerwhale.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (3 potential Elimination games tonight)
Post by: benjipwns on May 01, 2014, 09:54:45 PM
The executive zoom-ins are so great. Whoever is behind these needs to go in the Hall of Fame.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (3 potential Elimination games tonight)
Post by: benjipwns on May 02, 2014, 01:01:06 AM
Okay, I think the NBA is going a little too far with this punishment now:
Quote
Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling is battling cancer, sources have confirmed to ESPN.com.

The news was first reported by the New York Post.

The Post, citing sources, reported that the 80-year-old Sterling has been battling prostate cancer for an extended period of time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (3 potential Elimination games tonight)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 02, 2014, 01:32:28 AM
Great game in Oakland.  Game 7 bitches!

Sterling has cancer eh?  Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (3 potential Elimination games tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2014, 01:32:54 AM
All three teams force Game 7. I expected the Thunder and the Pacers too. A little surprised the Clips didn't finish.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (3 potential Elimination games tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2014, 01:48:39 AM
(http://giant.gfycat.com/DecimalNeighboringHornedviper.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (3 potential Elimination games tonight)
Post by: HiResDes on May 02, 2014, 09:34:14 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2014, 01:32:54 AM
All three teams force Game 7. I expected the Thunder and the Pacers too. A little surprised the Clips didn't finish.

Really really silly fouls kept them from winning that game. It seemed like the momentum was shifting in their favor late too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (3 potential Elimination games tonight)
Post by: Your Stalker on May 02, 2014, 06:30:03 PM
Zbo suspended for game 7
http://www.nba.com/video/channels/originals/2014/05/02/randolph-video.nba/index.html

 :mindblown
Title: Re: The NBA thread (3 potential Elimination games tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2014, 06:54:07 PM
Clearly Stern called in puppet-Silver to get the fix in.

Dumb move by Zbo but not surprising. He and Tony Allen are dynamite waiting to happen at any time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (3 potential Elimination games tonight)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 02, 2014, 07:24:33 PM
fuck.  FUCK.

Goddamit Silver, at least wait until the series is over.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (3 potential Elimination games tonight)
Post by: Beezy on May 02, 2014, 07:47:10 PM
Ugh. That's one game ruined for tomorrow.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (3 potential Elimination games tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2014, 10:24:21 PM
Nice run here by Mavs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (3 potential Elimination games tonight)
Post by: HiResDes on May 02, 2014, 10:27:28 PM
Mavericks pls.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (3 potential Elimination games tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2014, 10:35:02 PM
Damn tony parker.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (3 potential Elimination games tonight)
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 02, 2014, 10:44:01 PM
Looks like a Game 7.

Or not, maybe! Geez.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (3 potential Elimination games tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2014, 10:47:30 PM
lol. ellis.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (3 potential Elimination games tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2014, 10:50:07 PM
Only once in the history of the NBA have five series IN THE ENTIRE PLAYOFFS gone to a Game 7.

There are currently five in the first round.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 02, 2014, 10:57:57 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2014, 10:47:30 PM
lol. ellis.

Good Lord, Monta. That was a Tony Romo-esque play there at the end.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: CatsCatsCats on May 02, 2014, 10:59:50 PM
Let's go Blazers!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2014, 01:15:19 AM
Great series for Howard. If they lose can't knock him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2014, 01:17:22 AM
Dumb Asik.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2014, 01:25:15 AM
wow
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2014, 01:26:51 AM
I'm not sure why they didn't review that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2014, 01:27:33 AM
Insanity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2014, 01:28:11 AM
 :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: Your Stalker on May 03, 2014, 01:28:22 AM
lillard is too clutch (http://i.imgur.com/kLSeHcu.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: grognard on May 03, 2014, 01:28:47 AM
Lillard :o
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: Himu on May 03, 2014, 01:29:12 AM
Don't follow the Rockets anymore but it is great to see Clutch City make Awesome-o mad.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 03, 2014, 01:30:16 AM
WAT WHY DID I JUST GET HOME AND SEE THIS
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2014, 01:30:27 AM
Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on May 03, 2014, 01:29:12 AM
Don't follow the Rockets anymore but it is great to see Awesome-o mad.

Blazers just won on an insane shot. So unfortunately he is happy now.  :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: Himu on May 03, 2014, 01:31:23 AM
Oh. Oh well. can't wait to read htown disappointment on my fb feed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: Beezy on May 03, 2014, 01:35:07 AM
That was too good. Just amazing. It's gonna be hard to top this series for me for the rest of the playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2014, 01:37:19 AM
Quote from: Beezy on May 03, 2014, 01:35:07 AM
That was too good. Just amazing. It's gonna be hard to top this series for me for the rest of the playoffs.

I've been watching basketball all my life. That's as entertaining a series of basketball as I've ever seen. It wasn't the finals or deep in so it doesn't have that kind of mystique behind it that later round series do, but it was as fun a brand of basketball as I've seen.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: Mandark on May 03, 2014, 01:49:07 AM
These playoffs, man.  These fucking playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: Shadow Mod on May 03, 2014, 03:59:21 AM
Blazers

 :rejoice

Being at the bar for this game was great.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: HiResDes on May 03, 2014, 08:58:12 AM
If the Mavs/Spurs game 7 is close that's probably going to be my favorite series of this most amazing first round. I'm pretty sure this first round had the most buzzer beaters ever. Remember that Durant four point play. The Mavericks game 4 heave to send them into overtime.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 03, 2014, 09:57:01 AM
I didn't realize this about Tim Duncan until today:

1. He's 38 years old [first season was 97-98]
2. The first team to win the Finals after the second Bulls three-peat was the Duncan/Robinson Spurs

 :mindblown
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: Beezy on May 03, 2014, 10:40:36 AM
And he still looks like he has at least 2 seasons left in him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: HiResDes on May 03, 2014, 12:41:25 PM
It's crazy how good all of the big three still are despite being in their 30s and having played so long the in the league. I've been a big Spurs hater for the past decade and a half, but I have to give it to them and I think I'll miss hating them when they're gone if that makes any sense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 03, 2014, 01:56:23 PM
Alright let's not get crazy.  Manu choked last year, definitely, but Game 6 also featured:

- Kawhi missing free throws
- Terrible defensive rebounding effort by the Spurs on the last two possessions
- Tony Parker being relatively ineffective most of the series barring Game 1
- Danny Green disappearing completely
- Popovich with a baffling coaching decision to take Duncan out for the last possession
- The Spurs not fouling the Heat when the clock was under 10 seconds.
- And of course, Lebron and Ray Allen clutch threes on tough looks.  And Bosh with the biggest offensive rebound in the history of the NBA.

Game 7 also featured some crap play by the Spurs.  But they collectively, as a team, could've closed out the Heat in Game 6.  They, collectively, failed to do so.  Not just Manu.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: Beezy on May 03, 2014, 02:08:09 PM
This is the first time I've seen the blame for that game 6 loss put on Manu.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 03, 2014, 04:56:15 PM
Let's not forget this great moment in Manu Ginobili history

(http://i.imgur.com/pFq3UhX.jpg?1)

:bow :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 03, 2014, 05:23:11 PM
Quote from: Beezy on May 03, 2014, 02:08:09 PM
This is the first time I've seen the blame for that game 6 loss put on Manu.

Well, he deserves some of it.  Dude was pretty awful in games 6 and 7.  Only had one good game honestly in the finals, game 5.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 03, 2014, 06:39:33 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/10878253/san-antonio-spurs-had-too-many-players-court-late-game-6
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 03, 2014, 07:35:17 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/ZJcGLxN.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 03, 2014, 07:50:49 PM
It's bad, but it's still good. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 03, 2014, 08:00:22 PM
Same old Hawks... make it interesting until it counts.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: benjipwns on May 03, 2014, 11:45:31 PM
Thunder/Grizz game 7 was a let down.

(https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/10301118_10152416389101197_9189252804763957449_n.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 03, 2014, 11:53:11 PM
Fuck you, Memphis, and you, Randolph, for being a moron.

Go Golden State
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 04, 2014, 12:18:46 AM
I just don't really like Chris Paul.  Love Griffin though.  Just gotta pull for Steph.  I need more heat checks in the playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 04, 2014, 01:25:40 AM
night is ending with the best game of the day so far.  GO CURRY
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 04, 2014, 01:31:30 AM
Griffin da god
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: Beezy on May 04, 2014, 01:32:17 AM
BLAKE
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 04, 2014, 01:42:17 AM
Crazy to  think what this series would have been like with Bogut playing
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 04, 2014, 01:43:31 AM
...that was the fucking play, Jackson?  Christ.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2014, 02:47:12 AM
Quote
Oklahoma City Thunder forward Kevin Durant is expected to be named league MVP early next week, according to sources close to the situation.

Quote
Philadelphia 76ers point guard Michael Carter-Williams will be named the NBA Rookie of the Year, sources with knowledge of the voting have confirmed to ESPN.com's Marc Stein.

Quote
Houston Rockets coach Kevin McHale will return to the team next season, sources confirmed to ESPN.com.

Quote
The NBA will appoint a chief executive officer to oversee the day-to-day operations of the Los Angeles Clippers, the league announced Saturday.

Clippers owner Donald Sterling was banned for life from the NBA and fined $2.5 million on Tuesday by commissioner Adam Silver for racist remarks he made that were published by TMZ.

Team president Andy Roeser, one of the Clippers' two alternate governors besides Sterling, had been in charge of the team since Silver's announcement on Tuesday. Roeser, however, drew the ire of many in the organization after he released a statement initially giving Sterling the benefit of the doubt in the wake of Sterling's remarks.

Once appointed, sources said, the CEO will supersede Roeser, and be given the power to decide if Roeser remains with the organization.

The decision to appoint a CEO was made in concert with the Clippers organization. No timetable for the appointment was given except to say that it would be made "quickly."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: etiolate on May 04, 2014, 02:51:47 AM
boo clips advance

Sadly, I have missed the last two nights games and they've been bonkers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2014, 03:03:38 AM
Games went as expected this evening. Arguably the "right" team won in each case. I had the games on my second monitor as I was busy on my computer and couldn't post in the thread as they were going on.

San Antonio should win tomorrow but I'm rooting for Dallas.

I'm not sure who will in the Nets Raptor game but I'm rooting for Toronto. I'd like to see a canadian team get some good karma.

(https://i.imgur.com/lTsDE9R.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2014, 03:25:07 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UgElFFr5io

Nice vid. Blair has a good playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 04, 2014, 03:47:04 AM
Rooting for Raps tomorrow because the Nets are a terrible match up for the Heat.  Heat WILL lose in the second round if they play the Nets.

 :holeup at a Wiz/Nets ECF
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: Beezy on May 04, 2014, 04:35:45 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on May 04, 2014, 04:21:22 AM
Go Nets. I've always been a huge KG/Pierce stan.
You disgust me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: El Babua on May 04, 2014, 05:32:29 AM
Every team I wanted to lose, won. :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: pilonv1 on May 04, 2014, 08:42:52 AM
Warriors :(

I'm still proud of everyone. Except the coach

Want to see a Blazers/Wizards finals now
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 04, 2014, 04:10:14 PM
The Heat are fucked
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: Beezy on May 04, 2014, 04:18:01 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 04, 2014, 04:10:14 PM
The Heat are fucked

You and everyone else give Brooklyn way too much credit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: Shadow Mod on May 04, 2014, 04:29:56 PM
Quote from: pilonv1 on May 04, 2014, 08:42:52 AM
Warriors :(

I'm still proud of everyone. Except the coach

Want to see a Blazers/Wizards finals now

In my dreams the Blazers smack the fuck out of the Heat and make Lebron cry.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: Your Stalker on May 04, 2014, 04:47:43 PM
spurs blazers should be a good series too
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: Shadow Mod on May 04, 2014, 04:50:53 PM
Quote from: Your Stalker on May 04, 2014, 04:47:43 PM
spurs blazers should be a good series too

Let's hope they do well and make Ginobili cry.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 04, 2014, 05:01:28 PM
Quote from: Beezy on May 04, 2014, 04:18:01 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 04, 2014, 04:10:14 PM
The Heat are fucked

You and everyone else give Brooklyn way too much credit.

I'd say 4 wins against the defending champs is decent credit to give them.  Plus, two players that absolutely murder Lebron in the playoffs are on the Nets.  The Heat are getting taken to a game 7.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: Beezy on May 04, 2014, 06:06:29 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 04, 2014, 05:01:28 PM
Quote from: Beezy on May 04, 2014, 04:18:01 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 04, 2014, 04:10:14 PM
The Heat are fucked

You and everyone else give Brooklyn way too much credit.

I'd say 4 wins against the defending champs is decent credit to give them.  Plus, two players that absolutely murder Lebron in the playoffs are on the Nets.  The Heat are getting taken to a game 7.
Yep, waaay too much credit...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: Your Stalker on May 04, 2014, 06:13:35 PM
lolregularseason
you should know this already, heatle
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: Shadow Mod on May 04, 2014, 06:47:35 PM
Who's getting Lebron on their phone?

 :derp
Title: Re: The NBA thread (First round of Playoffs. Great round or Greatest round)
Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2014, 08:59:33 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 04, 2014, 05:01:28 PM
Plus, two players that absolutely murder Lebron in the playoffs are on the Nets.
Well, until this happened:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-VzBeOrdAg
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: etiolate on May 04, 2014, 10:51:20 PM
Rooting for the Spurs at this point. Fuck the Heat and Nets. The Pacers are too depressed to root for. The Blazers are too hipster to root for. The Clippers are flopping bitches. Spurs by default!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Beezy on May 04, 2014, 11:15:41 PM
Quote from: etiolate on May 04, 2014, 10:51:20 PM
The Blazers are too hipster to root for.
What does this even mean?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: CatsCatsCats on May 05, 2014, 02:14:52 AM
Quote from: etiolate on May 04, 2014, 10:51:20 PM
Rooting for the Spurs at this point. Fuck the Heat and Nets. The Pacers are too depressed to root for. The Blazers are too hipster to root for. The Clippers are flopping bitches. Spurs by default!

Yessssss now they'll lose for sure
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: pilonv1 on May 05, 2014, 05:10:06 AM
Quote from: Esch on May 04, 2014, 04:16:50 PM
Drake lost :jawalrus

Yeah but which one of his 37 teams?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2014, 07:21:56 PM
Wiz coming out hot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2014, 09:42:18 PM
Impressive win for the Wiz. After watching that first game its pretty clear they are a match for the Pacers if they play to their strengths.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: benjipwns on May 05, 2014, 09:45:41 PM
Drew Gooden and those Ariza threes  :whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Beezy on May 05, 2014, 09:52:34 PM
Hibbert makes no sense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2014, 11:56:47 PM
What an ass-kicking.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 06, 2014, 12:00:03 AM
Go home OKC, you're drunk.

Oh wait, they are home.

Lord.  Clippers look fucking deadly.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2014, 12:03:01 AM
How does a 7 footer not get one rebound in 18 minutes? Doesn't make sense to me. You guys are sure Hibbert isn't injured?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: benjipwns on May 06, 2014, 12:03:03 AM
wtf was Brooks thinking going small for so long against Griffin/Jordan. Especially since Caron is terrible 90% of the time.

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2014, 12:03:01 AM
How does a 7 footer not get one rebound in 18 minutes? Doesn't make sense to me. You guys are sure Hibbert isn't injured?
7 foot 2 at that!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: benjipwns on May 06, 2014, 12:05:02 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bm6xz1zCUAAE1fQ.png)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bm6p4vMIMAAV2dG.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 06, 2014, 12:06:18 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2014, 12:03:01 AM
How does a 7 footer not get one rebound in 18 minutes? Doesn't make sense to me. You guys are sure Hibbert isn't injured?
He's always been a terrible rebounder for his size. It was the rim protection that made up for that but he isn't doing a good job of that currently either. If he's hurt, I would think somebody in the organization would have said something to protect him from the media pummeling he is getting. He probably just needs a new environment. He has lost confidence. I'd like to see him in Dallas if they can work a trade.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Your Stalker on May 06, 2014, 12:11:44 AM
damn the chunder got worked
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: benjipwns on May 06, 2014, 03:21:28 AM
Number of games by Roy Hibbert where he had zero points and zero rebounds while starting and playing more than three minutes: five

Number of games by Darko Milicic where he had zero points and zero rebounds while starting and playing more than three minutes: two

Number of games by Yinka Dare where he had zero points and zero rebounds while starting and playing more than three minutes: zero
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: etiolate on May 06, 2014, 03:49:56 AM
the black Greg Ostertag
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: benjipwns on May 06, 2014, 03:58:45 AM
(https://scontent-b-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/10256816_728975133826453_510979530582655184_n.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 06, 2014, 08:52:43 AM
Yea, but Hibbert's still cashing checks ...

Maybe the Pacers will trade Hibbert for Anthony Bennet.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 06, 2014, 12:24:57 PM
Trailblazers Spurs series should be fun and crazy offensive but I think the Spurs should take it.

Nets Heat is an odd one. Miami definitely played like crap against the nets this year. Hard to figure out exactly why other than the depth of the Nets. Miami is a team that half-assed the regular season though so its hard to pick against them when it counts.

Interesting factoid of the day.

Quote
This series marks the 26th time that teams will meet in a best-of-seven series after one club went 4-0 or better against the other in the regular season. In each of the first 25 such instances, the regular-season winner also won the playoff matchup.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: etiolate on May 06, 2014, 03:39:06 PM
Didn't actually expect this to happen.

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/10892128/mark-jackson-coach-golden-state-warriors

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Mark Jackson has been relieved of his duties as coach of the Golden State Warriors, the team announced Tuesday.

So who do they go after?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Brehvolution on May 06, 2014, 03:41:56 PM
Probably D'Antoni
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 06, 2014, 04:59:25 PM
Lionel Hollins
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2014, 05:09:57 PM
Tom Izzo would make a lot of sense there. Up tempo defensive minded young team, Draymond Green is there....seems like a good fit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 06, 2014, 05:25:48 PM
I don't really follow the Warriors but I know a lot of people who do didn't like the job Jackson was doing. The thing is, I think that team performed about as expected. I think that squad is flawed in many ways. We'll see how the next guy does.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: etiolate on May 06, 2014, 05:29:22 PM
Their main problem is that they need Bogut's defense to win in the playoffs, but he's constantly hurt.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 06, 2014, 08:51:00 PM
(http://abload.de/img/hibbert00xta8j.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: etiolate on May 06, 2014, 09:13:18 PM
Dawk Ins youtube channel got killed =(

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 06, 2014, 09:16:16 PM
And miami dusted the nets tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2014, 09:25:08 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 06, 2014, 08:51:00 PM
(http://abload.de/img/hibbert00xta8j.gif)

:dead

god damn
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 06, 2014, 09:49:26 PM
THE NETS HAVE THE HEAT RIGHT WHERE THEY WANT THEM

I'm rooting for the Heat from here on out- I'm just gonna start pulling for whatever outcome is the most likely to give Awesome-o a stroke.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Your Stalker on May 06, 2014, 10:16:46 PM
looks like kd is gonna be on the cover of 2k15 by himself this time
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 06, 2014, 10:37:34 PM
Barkley before game: Spurs are too old to beat Portland and the Dallas series took too much out of them.

 :comeon

Charles is fun enough to listen to occasionally but he is wrong so often its really laughable.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: pilonv1 on May 06, 2014, 10:41:07 PM
Quote from: etiolate on May 06, 2014, 03:39:06 PM
Didn't actually expect this to happen.

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/10892128/mark-jackson-coach-golden-state-warriors

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Mark Jackson has been relieved of his duties as coach of the Golden State Warriors, the team announced Tuesday.

So who do they go after?

Was almost guaranteed to happen after the all star break when rumours started flying about Lacob not being impressed they weren't top 4. I think even if they beat the Clippers he was gone, no one liked him but the players. Which is hardly surprising considering his stint in Utah.

I hoping for Stan Van. But I know it won't happen :gloomy
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2014, 11:15:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqLnFF3mW3M

 :holeup

Steve Francis, yall.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 07, 2014, 04:29:53 PM
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Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account
‏@WojYahooNBA
Andrew Bynum has left the Indiana Pacers, team says. Knee issue never resolved and he'll no longer be with Pacers in playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 07, 2014, 05:36:05 PM
good riddance
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: benjipwns on May 07, 2014, 08:16:31 PM
Hibbert's even gotta ruin the Hibbert jokes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 07, 2014, 09:32:25 PM
That'll do, Roy.  That'll do.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 07, 2014, 11:47:15 PM
Thunder going in dry on the Clips.  Could we just get some close games please?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: HiResDes on May 08, 2014, 10:16:10 AM
Spurs going back to Finals.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 08, 2014, 11:28:40 AM
That seems to be the logical conclusion at this point, although I see the Clippers making it interesting.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2014, 09:27:57 PM
Lebron and Wade both had average to sub-par games but Miami still too much for the Nets.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 08, 2014, 11:05:56 PM
Blazers  :fbm

their season was great but it looks like they're matched against the worst possible team imaginable.  Dammit Dallas you had one job, ONE JOB
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Your Stalker on May 09, 2014, 12:32:46 AM
2 straight blowotus for the spurs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Shadow Mod on May 09, 2014, 12:36:46 AM
Spurs vs Heat again?

blegh

(http://i.imgur.com/TLvVteB.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2014, 12:42:49 AM
Portland is a fun team but a flawed team. Doesn't play very good team defense. Very reliant on the 3, but if they don't land them at a great clip, they are in trouble.

They are going against a team that is just more well rounded. It will be a learning experience for them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Shadow Mod on May 09, 2014, 12:47:07 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2014, 12:42:49 AM
Portland is a fun team but a flawed team. Doesn't play very good team defense. Very reliant on the 3, but if they don't land them at a great clip, they are in trouble.

They are going against a team that is just more well rounded. It will be a learning experience for them.

Oh definitely flawed. Their age and relative short time playing together shows at times. They want to rush and shoot when it's not even necessary.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2014, 02:05:44 PM
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### Nets swingman Joe Johnson amused me Wednesday with this: “Outside of LeBron James and Dwyane Wade, we’re more talented than them.” (And outside of the beach and culture, there’s more to do in Scranton than Miami.)


This will be my new meme.

"Outside of [best thing] and [other very good thing]"


I mean I get his point. But even the second part of the statement is debatable somewhat.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 09, 2014, 02:39:43 PM
Outside of Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen, The Jazz were a more talented team than the Bulls
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: etiolate on May 09, 2014, 05:04:16 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10908483/sacramento-kings-seek-analysis-public-prior-making-their-draft-pick

what the fuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 09, 2014, 06:01:59 PM
smh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2014, 01:03:07 AM
Washington was god damn awful tonight on offense.

This OKC clips game is pretty good though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Mandark on May 10, 2014, 01:16:39 AM
Thunder pulling away, but you can really see all the criticisms about their offense.  Westbrook dribbling the clock down with basically no movement off the ball, into a pull-up three that he makes.  Then Westbrook dribbling the clock down to single digits before dumping it to Durant, who's posting up past the elbow, who turns around and hits a jumper while being guarded.

I realize that OKC has offensive sets and runs plays and stuff, but compared to the Spurs it's night and day.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: benjipwns on May 10, 2014, 01:29:13 AM
That was the one often overlooked advantage of Harden in his OKC form, he basically wrecked up their passive style with his aggressive style and they didn't have to rely on just the efficiency of Durant (and to be fair, Westbook many times) for their offensive attack. He also allowed Westbrook to move off ball and still get his shots only he wouldn't pound the ball into the floor.

To be fair, the Spurs were sorta this way before Manu really kicked in, and then they built deliberately around being able to play multiple styles which requires you to be able to move the ball.

With the Thunder you don't have that confidence that when Durant has a poor game, someone else other than him, Westbrook and Ibaka, is magically going to get the 15 points they need. This almost always somehow happens for the Spurs. Even Miami was getting that from Ray Allen, etc. at times.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2014, 01:43:52 AM
Looking like Spurs Thunder at the moment. Tough to call it. The Spurs have looked really good but I think they've had the easier matchups so far.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: benjipwns on May 10, 2014, 02:25:57 AM
Didn't listen to it, but saw that apparently there's another tape where Sterling's saying he basically was saying all the racist stuff to try and have sex with the girl.  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 10, 2014, 03:35:58 PM
Gonna be Spurs Heat again.  Although Indy seems to be finding its pace back...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: benjipwns on May 10, 2014, 09:38:14 PM
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/10911472/nba-believes-legal-grounds-oust-shelly-sterling-ownership-according-sources
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The NBA believes it has the legal grounds to oust both Shelly Sterling and her husband as owners, despite the fact that commissioner Adam Silver's punishments were specifically leveled only against Donald, according to sources with knowledge of the league's legal strategy.

Shelly Sterling, the estranged wife of exiled Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling, has made it clear to the NBA that she intends to retain her 50 percent ownership interest in the team.

She has publicly and privately cooperated with the league in its actions to ban her husband for life and move to oust him from ownership. However, the league's contention will be that Shelly Sterling -- while entitled to a 50 percent interest in the franchise -- has never been approved by the board of governors as the controlling owner. She and team president Andy Roeser, who went on an indefinite leave of absence this week, were only alternate governors.

In order to become the team's new controlling owner, Shelly Sterling would have to be approved by the board of governors, which is unlikely given her association with her husband of 58 years.

Former Lakers great Magic Johnson said Friday that none of the current Clippers players would play for Shelly Sterling if she retains her ownership.

"Those guys are not going to play for anybody (named) Sterling," Johnson told USA TODAY Sports and two other reporters at the Omni Dallas Hotel. "It's just how it is. It's hard to separate the two. ... It's going to be hard for them to sell that to the fans and definitely to the players."
Magic is going to get ahold of this franchise isn't he...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 10, 2014, 10:01:45 PM
nicca you thought that was a flop  :heh

that was a blatant offensive foul
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Shadow Mod on May 10, 2014, 11:34:17 PM
 :fbm :fbm :fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 11, 2014, 02:17:12 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/U50BpSX.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: benjipwns on May 11, 2014, 02:35:19 AM
Look on the bright side, that could theoretically mean the Spurs lead by one bucket for the entire game until the last few seconds when Portland wins. So it's not the end of the world.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 11, 2014, 11:36:27 PM
Pacers definitely look to be back on track not sure what happened to them or Hibbert over the last few months but the funk is over. And they will be prove very difficult for Miami.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 12, 2014, 12:02:47 AM
Christ I hope so.  I was getting worried Miami was gonna have a fuckeasy path to the finals only to be raped by the spurs.  An actual challenge for them in round 3 is good for them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: benjipwns on May 12, 2014, 07:16:49 PM
Quote
With the 4 years remaining the Cavs have eaten 5 years and $23 million to fire Mike Brown twice.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 12, 2014, 08:35:36 PM
https://vine.co/v/MgEgTMw0OWv
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Mandark on May 12, 2014, 08:40:17 PM
Apparently Sterling's interview with Anderson Cooper is a Poe's Law situation (or whatever the equivalent is for complete lack of self-awareness).
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2014, 09:08:28 PM
Terrific first half for Lebron.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 12, 2014, 09:43:49 PM
Lebron gonna have 60 tonight
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2014, 09:43:57 PM
Lebron going off.

Spoelstra not seemingly making any adjustments on defense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 12, 2014, 10:06:54 PM
This Heat team is starting to feel more and more like Cavs circa 2007/2008
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2014, 10:11:47 PM
Their interior and perimeter defense sucks. Quite a feat.

The whole Oden thing was a complete waste of time and a roster slot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2014, 10:33:57 PM
huge bosh 3 obviously.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2014, 10:39:02 PM
Good game. It was very entertaining. Miami's weakness on defense this year is terrifying to imagine them going against a spurs team that is clicking. If they can manage to get by the Pacers, they should eagerly be rooting for the Thunder who also have their own issues.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 12, 2014, 11:00:44 PM
Awesome-O I can stomach the Lebron and Wade hate.  But why a nicca gotta hate Big Shot Bosh  :-\  dude is the most likable person on the Heat
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Brehvolution on May 13, 2014, 09:08:49 AM
Quote from: Mandark on May 12, 2014, 08:40:17 PM
Apparently Sterling's interview with Anderson Cooper is a Poe's Law situation (or whatever the equivalent is for complete lack of self-awareness).

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"Big, Magic Johnson, what has he done?" Sterling asked Cooper. "He's got AIDS."

Cooper clarified that Johnson was diagnosed with HIV, not AIDS. Sterling went on, "What kind of a guy has sex with every girl, then he catches HIV? Is that someone we want to respect and tell our kids about? I think he should be ashamed of himself. I think he should go into the background. What does he do for the black people?"

(http://i.imgur.com/nBwwwDd.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: benjipwns on May 13, 2014, 06:33:32 PM
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The Detroit Pistons are progressing toward a deal with Stan Van Gundy that would make him their coach and president of basketball operations, according to sources with knowledge of the talks.

Sources told ESPN.com that Van Gundy is leaning toward accepting Detroit's aggressive pitch, despite strong interest from the Golden State Warriors regarding their coaching job.
:gladbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 13, 2014, 06:46:33 PM
Quote
Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account
@WojYahooNBA
If a deal's reached in Detroit to make Stan Van Gundy president/coach, he's looking closely at hiring Otis Smith as GM, sources tell Yahoo.

 :gladbron
 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2014, 07:00:28 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/dG4nbPV.gif)

SVG Tha God?
:rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 13, 2014, 09:15:52 PM
Jokes on you, you still have Josh Smith
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 13, 2014, 09:16:58 PM
Also: good lord what a goose egg by Indiana.  A chance to big dick it and close the series, and they get destroyed.

By Marcin Gortat :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 13, 2014, 11:47:30 PM
4th quarter of destiny coming up. Awful game for Durant so far. Fortunately Westbrook is playing well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2014, 12:24:36 AM
clippers trying to give this away.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2014, 12:27:35 AM
sketchy calls down the stretch.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Mandark on May 14, 2014, 12:29:44 AM
Wow.  Chris Paul gives the ball away in a deliberate foul situation, fouls Westbrook on a (typically ill-advised) three point attempt, and then turns the ball over on the final possession.  He can not be happy right now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2014, 12:30:09 AM
wow
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Round 2. The real season begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2014, 01:45:20 AM
(http://giant.gfycat.com/InfamousThickDutchsmoushond.gif)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVQUZ9c-1lo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMGnTDi1Io0

Replay system has always been screwed in that you can't fix the error in the replay. You can only judge possession.

Doc is right imo in that I don't see how you give the ball to the Thunder in that situation although in the perfect ideal replay system you would probably just call the foul on Barnes.

This tweet was before the 4th quarter btw.

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Bill Simmons ‏@BillSimmons  3h
Bennett Salvatore, Tom Washington and Tony Brothers reffing a genuinely important NBA playoff game - what could possibly go wrong?

Game also goes to prove my point that the issue has always been ref quality in general versus conspiracy theories of the unseen hand that crazy people are always on about. I've always thought you need one more ref on the floor to be able to see things because the game is so fast and the angles matter. With or without that you need a replay system in the final few minutes that is able to overule things and make the "correct" call. Or a challenge system of some kind.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("We got robbed" edition)
Post by: Mandark on May 14, 2014, 02:16:28 AM
The NHL system seems to work fairly well, in terms of getting calls right and not taking forever.  Some refs might not be happy with ceding authority to someone hundreds of miles away, but I'd really like the NBA to at least look at it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("We got robbed" edition)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2014, 02:19:23 AM
Quote from: Mandark on May 14, 2014, 02:16:28 AM
The NHL system seems to work fairly well, in terms of getting calls right and not taking forever.  Some refs might not be happy with ceding authority to someone hundreds of miles away, but I'd really like the NBA to at least look at it.

Yep. I think the NBA will also go to some command center style ref headquarter overview situation eventually. Or at least have people on site who's job it is to solely man a replay system.

The NBA doing these "we apologize we got the call wrong" mea culpa's a day later doesn't help anybody and only draws attention to the flawed replay system.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("We got robbed" edition)
Post by: Mandark on May 14, 2014, 02:59:27 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2014, 02:19:23 AM
The NBA doing these "we apologize we got the call wrong" mea culpa's a day later doesn't help anybody and only draws attention to the flawed replay system.

It's lose-lose for them in terms of how to handle it publicly after the fact, but I like that they release those statements.  It's better than pretending that there were no problems, and it's a good opportunity for clarifying refereeing rules and procedures, for the public and for the officials.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("We got robbed" edition)
Post by: Brehvolution on May 14, 2014, 08:50:27 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2014, 02:19:23 AM

The NBA doing these "we apologize we got the call wrong" mea culpa's a day later doesn't help anybody

It helps Vegas. :hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("We got robbed" edition)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2014, 10:35:09 AM
Sterling in 2003 deposition.

(http://i.imgur.com/0BFHmzr.jpg)

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("We got robbed" edition)
Post by: etiolate on May 14, 2014, 04:07:40 PM
Should have been a foul on Barnes. Paul didn't foul Westbroke from what I saw.

LOL @ Paul's big mistakes at the end of the game doe

Title: Re: The NBA thread ("We got robbed" edition)
Post by: benjipwns on May 14, 2014, 04:29:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMvY-TvhJV8

 :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("We got robbed" edition)
Post by: Mandark on May 14, 2014, 04:55:20 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnnGstYIAAAitkR.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("We got robbed" edition)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 14, 2014, 06:11:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQYPGv_oNl0
 :lol

:rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("We got robbed" edition)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 14, 2014, 08:20:06 PM
 :sabu :sabu :sabu

https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/466732919076052992 (https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/466732919076052992)

Quote
Stunner: Steve Kerr spurns the Knicks, accepts Warriors' head coach job. Story coming on http://NBA.com .
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("We got robbed" edition)
Post by: Beezy on May 14, 2014, 08:45:02 PM
I don't understand why everyone has so much faith in Steve Kerr as a coach.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("We got robbed" edition)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2014, 08:50:38 PM
Quote from: Beezy on May 14, 2014, 08:45:02 PM
I don't understand why everyone has so much faith in Steve Kerr as a coach.
I don't quite get it either. I think he is a smart man but yeah without a track record, I don't understand the bidding war for him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("We got robbed" edition)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2014, 08:51:57 PM
Miami defense is shit again tonight. And the offense is a lot of everybody standing around and watching Lebron or Wade with the ball.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("We got robbed" edition)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 14, 2014, 08:58:01 PM
Quote from: Beezy on May 14, 2014, 08:45:02 PM
I don't understand why everyone has so much faith in Steve Kerr as a coach.

Knows the triangle well, smart dude, good analysis, and knows how Phil operates.  It made sense.  Now you get Mike Brown.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("We got robbed" edition)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 14, 2014, 09:08:16 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on May 14, 2014, 09:04:44 PM
Brooklyn should be going up 3-2 in about 8 minutes. Fuck Chris Bosh.

 :gladbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("We got robbed" edition)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 14, 2014, 09:14:11 PM
goddamn joe johnson
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("We got robbed" edition)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2014, 09:14:53 PM
Joe Johnson is destroying Miami and Lebron.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("We got robbed" edition)
Post by: CatsCatsCats on May 14, 2014, 09:20:56 PM
You know what? I choose to believe in the Blazers
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("We got robbed" edition)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 14, 2014, 09:27:36 PM
visions of game 6 finals  :noah
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("We got robbed" edition)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2014, 09:27:44 PM
wow
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("We got robbed" edition)
Post by: Your Stalker on May 14, 2014, 09:31:37 PM
:mjlol
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("We got robbed" edition)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2014, 09:32:52 PM
Miami being Miami. Play average to slightly below average for most of the game. Play really well/exceptional the last 4 minutes.

That pretty much defines the big 3 era.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("We got robbed" edition)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 14, 2014, 09:34:52 PM
...shades of game 6 of the finals, but for the opposite team  :anhuld
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("We got robbed" edition)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2014, 09:36:16 PM
Lebrick james.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("We got robbed" edition)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 14, 2014, 09:36:47 PM
LeChoke

COAT

Title: Re: The NBA thread ("We got robbed" edition)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 14, 2014, 09:38:58 PM
ohhhh man

its gonna be exactly like the no-foul last night :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("We got robbed" edition)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2014, 09:39:10 PM
LOL. This is the exact same thing as last night.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("We got robbed" edition)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2014, 09:40:29 PM
Surprised they actually made the right call there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("We got robbed" edition)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2014, 09:41:48 PM
Dem no calls at the end of a game!

 :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("We got robbed" edition)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 14, 2014, 09:42:43 PM
That last possession was fine -- no foul there.  But Lebron DEFINITELY fouled Pierce on the previous one.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("We got robbed" edition)
Post by: Your Stalker on May 14, 2014, 09:42:55 PM
be the most expensive nba team and get gentleman's swept in the 2nd round brehs
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("We got robbed" edition)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 14, 2014, 09:44:06 PM
Well, actually:

Quote
Rule 8 Section II - c of the NBA rulebook states:

If a player has his hand in contact with the ball and an opponent hits the hand causing the ball to go out-of-bounds, the team whose player had his hand on the ball will retain possession.

So actually the right call, no foul and all.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("We got robbed" edition)
Post by: Beezy on May 14, 2014, 11:11:29 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 14, 2014, 08:58:01 PM
Quote from: Beezy on May 14, 2014, 08:45:02 PM
I don't understand why everyone has so much faith in Steve Kerr as a coach.

Knows the triangle well, smart dude, good analysis, and knows how Phil operates.  It made sense.  Now you get Mike Brown.
GSW gave him 5 million a year. So you know the Knicks would've overpaid him by a lot more. No, that does not make sense for a first time coach.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2014, 11:48:59 AM
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/meet-the-man-who-preserved-decades-of-nba-history/

Nice little story.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2014, 10:15:07 PM
Good 4th quarter. Nice wiz comeback.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2014, 10:27:19 PM
Well it was a nice comeback. The Pacers went back to putting the hammer on em.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2014, 10:36:46 PM
Despite all the drama the Pacers are right where they want to be. 7 game series versus the Heat. They have the home court advantage. And they match up extremely well.

Will be really interesting. I give them a hell of a chance of making the finals.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on May 15, 2014, 10:55:58 PM
Pretty good playoff run by the Wiz.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 15, 2014, 11:38:35 PM
No, Stoney.  Let's stop pretending the Pacers will be able to beat the Heat.  Heat just beat the best team record wise in the East since January in five games.  The Heat may be flawed but they step up.  The Pacers are shook and look legit awful. Heat in 5.  If it goes to seven games I will ice my dick for an entire day.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on May 16, 2014, 12:02:36 AM
no
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 16, 2014, 01:22:29 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 15, 2014, 11:38:35 PM
No, Stoney.  Let's stop pretending the Pacers will be able to beat the Heat.  Heat just beat the best team record wise in the East since January in five games.  The Heat may be flawed but they step up.  The Pacers are shook and look legit awful. Heat in 5.  If it goes to seven games I will ice my dick for an entire day.

I'll be highly shocked if the Heat beat the Pacers in 5. The evidence doesn't suggest that is likely. I expect 6 or 7 whoever wins.

I think the Wiz need a better coach. I was legit impressed with them in this post-season. But their offense just goes stretches where they seem lost. And they seem to be too talented for that to be the case.

The conference finals expose the truth of the regular season grind it is.

We all knew the Thunder, the Heat, The Spurs, and the Pacers were the 4 best teams by a good distance at the beginning of the year. It just took us this long for it to mean anything.

Not sure about the Spurs versus the Thunder. On one hand the Spurs look so fucking good at the moment. But then Westbrook and Durant are just so good.

I think the Thunder will overcome the Spurs. I think the first game of the Heat/Pacers may tell the tale of that story. The Heat don't have to win it. But they better  play"right". Imo they did not play "right" versus the Nets no matter what the series count was. I don't think they will be able to win the series versus the Pacers by just playing the last 4 minutes of the game well.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pacers v Heat - Thunder v Spurs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 16, 2014, 01:32:31 AM
Heat in 5
Spurs in 6

Spurs in 7
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pacers v Heat - Thunder v Spurs)
Post by: Your Stalker on May 16, 2014, 01:35:50 AM
you think silver is gonna allow the servant and the fthunder to lose?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pacers v Heat - Thunder v Spurs)
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 16, 2014, 09:56:33 AM
For all the early playoff drama, it's funny how conventional the playoff has turned out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pacers v Heat - Thunder v Spurs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 16, 2014, 10:23:46 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on May 16, 2014, 09:56:33 AM
For all the early playoff drama, it's funny how conventional the playoff has turned out.

It's very hard to not imagine some mix of Lebron James, and Durant heavily in the mix for the next 3 or 4 years at minimum. The Spurs seem to have a death grip on great play until maybe Duncan goes. Even the Pacers are setup pretty well for the next few year outside of David West.

I think essentially a few players have a Jordan type grip on the NBA until their past their prime.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pacers v Heat - Thunder v Spurs)
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 16, 2014, 02:41:08 PM
I don't follow it closely, but aren't most people predicting Westbrook to jump ship soon? I would think that would upset the power structure in the West immediately.

Durant is great, but I don't think having him + 4 other guys is an automatic pass to the Finals.

edit: nm he's signed through 2017



Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pacers v Heat - Thunder v Spurs)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on May 16, 2014, 04:41:05 PM
Go Spurs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pacers v Heat - Thunder v Spurs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 16, 2014, 07:18:30 PM
Ibaka  :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pacers v Heat - Thunder v Spurs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 16, 2014, 07:22:09 PM
Yeah that sucks for them. By far their best defensive player. Thunder are cursed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Serge Ibaka done for playoffs)
Post by: etiolate on May 16, 2014, 07:31:33 PM
So Spurs - Heat again?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Serge Ibaka done for playoffs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 16, 2014, 07:51:13 PM
"Calf" injury huh. The fix is in.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Serge Ibaka done for playoffs)
Post by: Your Stalker on May 16, 2014, 08:17:37 PM
the refs have a long road ahead of them
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pacers v Heat - Thunder v Spurs)
Post by: Beezy on May 16, 2014, 08:31:06 PM
Based God strikes again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Serge Ibaka done for playoffs)
Post by: benjipwns on May 17, 2014, 02:53:07 AM
Quote from: ESPN Insider
LeBron leads all playoff players in PER at better than 32. Of course he does. Among starters he also leads the postseason in true shooting percentage, a staggering 67.8 percent, especially impressive considering he's the top target for every defensive scheme.

Amazingly though, his leadership skills are equal to his incredible statistics. LeBron is the man who sets the tone for Miami each night, perhaps the biggest difference between him and Kevin Durant. It's LeBron who takes on the toughest defensive challenges when pressed to disrupt the opponent's rhythm.

He's the guy who is most honest with himself, even admitting he was getting "torched" by Joe Johnson in Game 5 before accepting the challenge to stifle Johnson down the stretch and end the series. His poise under pressure and his willingness to make the right basketball play, rather than just settle for his own best shot, has the Heat advancing despite having to play a team that beat them in all four regular-season meetings.

(Previous rank: 1 )
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Serge Ibaka done for playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 17, 2014, 03:25:36 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10945937/mark-jackson-former-golden-state-warriors-coach-returns-espn-game-analyst
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Serge Ibaka done for playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2014, 03:33:12 PM
How long before a "Mama, there goes that man"?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Serge Ibaka done for playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2014, 03:41:20 PM
Oden was inactive for today's game btw. What a waste that whole thing turned out to be.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Serge Ibaka done for playoffs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 18, 2014, 03:48:49 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2014, 03:41:20 PM
Oden was inactive for today's game btw. What a waste that whole thing turned out to be.

Is he healthy?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Serge Ibaka done for playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2014, 03:53:22 PM
The last game he played was on 4/16. The reg season finale.

The last game before that was on 3/26.

I think he is probably as "healthy" as he is ever going to get. He's just not capable of playing basketball  for anything close to even bench player minutes anymore.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Serge Ibaka done for playoffs)
Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2014, 04:11:04 PM
Grantland had an article a couple weeks ago:
http://grantland.com/features/greg-oden-miami-heat-nba-playoffs-how-to-be-a-benchwarmer/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Serge Ibaka done for playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2014, 04:23:02 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 18, 2014, 04:11:04 PM
Grantland had an article a couple weeks ago:
http://grantland.com/features/greg-oden-miami-heat-nba-playoffs-how-to-be-a-benchwarmer/

I don't blame him. I blame the Heat. This experiment just never worked and they should have realized it and made some point about doing something about it a long time ago.

They match up poorly against the Pacers inside. It's been a problem for years. And they just either ignore it or do a longshot move like Oden to try to fix it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Serge Ibaka done for playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2014, 04:26:18 PM
I kind of secretly hope the Heat lose this series so Spoelstra gets exposed a bit. This is the perfect series that will actually test him to make changes during a game or series. Something I think he is terrible at.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Serge Ibaka done for playoffs)
Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2014, 04:33:00 PM
The Heat are just coaxing titles out of having the best player in the league while the parts around him fall apart, Lakers did the same thing with Shaq/Kobe. The Bulls to some extent did the same.

Battier and figuring out the small ball lineup got them the first ring, and I think Allen and Andersen gave them enough boost last year. I thought Beasley and Oden could provide a little spark this year and there was good reason to play them both regular minutes during the season (especially after the Pacers shot out to first) but they seem almost afraid to change things up too much. They had this problem somewhat in 2011 when Spoelstra didn't shorten the rotation and stop playing shitty players in the playoffs until Haslem came back.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2014, 04:34:31 PM
Great first half for the Pacers. Took advantage of every Miami weakness. Soft interior D. The over-reliance on scrambling on defense that leaves 3 point shooters wide open.

The only bad thing I would say is that for how well they played they are only up 10 which is just a decent run.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2014, 05:03:11 PM
Indy dominating. Killing Miami inside. Still no adjustments from Miami.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on May 18, 2014, 05:09:38 PM
Bring out Oden and Beasley!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2014, 05:25:42 PM
Decent mini-run for the Heat to end the quarter but as a team they are still getting smashed in all aspects of the game so far. Doesn't bode well for a miracle 4th quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2014, 05:49:09 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 15, 2014, 11:38:35 PM
No, Stoney.  Let's stop pretending the Pacers will be able to beat the Heat.  Heat just beat the best team record wise in the East since January in five games.  The Heat may be flawed but they step up.  The Pacers are shook and look legit awful. Heat in 5.  If it goes to seven games I will ice my dick for an entire day.

 :ufup
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on May 18, 2014, 07:03:35 PM
 :dead

i legit enjoy crazy lebron stalker puddles
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2014, 07:10:40 PM
Miami still has the capability of winning this series. But if you didn't see this potentially coming, you haven't watched Miami play Indy all year. They are a nightmare for Miami.

They make Hibbert look amazing no matter how he is playing. They made Bosh look useless as he is out on the perimeter hoisting three's or inside getting overpowered by any of the Pacers bigs. They have been built specifically to give Miami fits. And Lebron and Wade and Allen actually played good games today. That is what was especially humbling about that loss. They can't point to Lebron and Wade and say they didn't have good games.

Spoelstra will actually have to coach and make adjustments. Which is something more than just standing in a huddle and talking about grinding.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 18, 2014, 07:14:55 PM
Every single year you make that complaint about Spoelstra, and every single year you should have enough proof to realize that Spoelstra is one of the best game-to-game coaches in the league.  He's not fantastic for on-the-fly adjustments, but once he has tape to analyze, he will make the proper adjustments.  Don't be surprised if Miami absolutely destroys Indiana next game -- and for once give Spoelstra credit.

Also, I wouldn't bank on Indiana getting amazing games from Grant Hill, CJ Watson, Stephenson, and Luis Scola again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2014, 07:18:31 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 18, 2014, 07:14:55 PM
Every single year you make that complaint about Spoelstra, and every single year you should have enough proof to realize that Spoelstra is one of the best game-to-game coaches in the league.  He's not fantastic for on-the-fly adjustments, but once he has tape to analyze, he will make the proper adjustments.  Don't be surprised if Miami absolutely destroys Indiana next game -- and for once give Spoelstra credit.

Also, I wouldn't bank on Indiana getting amazing games from Grant Hill, CJ Watson, Stephenson, and Luis Scola again.

 :umad
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 18, 2014, 08:11:21 PM
oh i mad
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 18, 2014, 10:27:04 PM
What if Indy played like shit up to this point specifically to lull the Heat into a false sense of confidence
:ohhh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on May 18, 2014, 11:58:26 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 18, 2014, 07:14:55 PM
Also, I wouldn't bank on Indiana getting amazing games from Grant Hill, CJ Watson, Stephenson, and Luis Scola again.
me neither :teehee
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2014, 11:58:44 PM
Indiana is undefeated in the playoffs when Evan Turner doesn't play.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on May 19, 2014, 06:24:17 PM
Teams rushing to get titles against aging established teams tends to fail. I felt the Kings made that mistake. They were younger than the Lakers and could have won a title if not for the Webber injury and the big money signings/trades that put them over the cap for years. They still drafted well, but gave up on developing those picks and lost guys like Gerald Wallace and Hedo Turkoglu before they hit their prime.

The Spurs are "old" but they continually refill on youth and just keep plugging on without doing any panic moves.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Serge Ibaka done for playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 19, 2014, 06:30:14 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on May 19, 2014, 06:20:46 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 18, 2014, 04:33:00 PM
The Heat are just coaxing titles out of having the best player in the league while the parts around him fall apart, Lakers did the same thing with Shaq/Kobe. The Bulls to some extent did the same.

The lack of Stern is also probably hurting them. Refs were allowing a lot more contact against Heat players and calling a lot more fouls on Heat players than you'd typically expect in a game of this magnitude with Stern sitting in the crowd.

Boy I'll never understand how people like you and methodis can maintain an entire posting existence on a mix of character posting and warped reality. I would think you guys would eventually get tired of it. But nope. You never do. It's impressive in a completely useless kind of way.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 19, 2014, 06:35:07 PM
Quote from: etiolate on May 19, 2014, 06:24:17 PM
Teams rushing to get titles against aging established teams tends to fail. I felt the Kings made that mistake. They were younger than the Lakers and could have won a title if not for the Webber injury and the big money signings/trades that put them over the cap for years. They still drafted well, but gave up on developing those picks and lost guys like Gerald Wallace and Hedo Turkoglu before they hit their prime.

The Spurs are "old" but they continually refill on youth and just keep plugging on without doing any panic moves.

The Spurs are just a marvel. I remember so many years ago that the conventional wisdom was that Duncan was on the side of being washed up and the franchise was ready for a slow but steady decline. But it just never happened. I assume once Duncan does retire there will be a drop-off but I'm not even necessarily willing to bet on that anymore.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on May 19, 2014, 06:39:31 PM
Isn't Popovich done when Duncan is?  I thought I read something like that last year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 19, 2014, 06:41:54 PM
There has never been any official declaration as such I believe. I think people just assume it because their success is so linked.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 19, 2014, 06:49:08 PM
I thought Pop had a direct quote talking about that actually...
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 19, 2014, 06:53:14 PM
Maybe I'm wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 19, 2014, 09:08:04 PM
Collison is gonna have a nightmare night on offense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 19, 2014, 09:17:08 PM
Spurs looking like a machine early.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 19, 2014, 09:57:07 PM
Just found out there are people named Cleanthony Early and Kristaps Porzingis in the draft.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 19, 2014, 10:05:23 PM
Very offensive half. Thunder have no D.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 19, 2014, 10:43:39 PM
Durant and Westbrook are going to have to do ALL the scoring.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 19, 2014, 11:03:18 PM
dat spin move
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 19, 2014, 11:27:14 PM
Gonna be tough for the Thunder in this series. They never did figure out the Spurs defensively tonight. And not actually running an offense and just having Westbrook and Durant score just looks like it isn't going to be enough.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YxBej3VSLk8/U3rF25_K4sI/AAAAAAAAGyM/GHFYqkns4pM/s1600/k.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on May 19, 2014, 11:27:32 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Z5A3L7p.png) they better show up next game
they need to pick up a legit 3rd option
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 19, 2014, 11:40:39 PM
Ibaka (and Perkins when they're both out there) covers up a lot of their defensive mistakes and lets them overplay. Westbrook is a good defender otherwise, but Durant still isn't. He's improved a huge amount but he just doesn't seem to have the instincts, especially regarding using his length. And it seems like half the time or more he's out of position.

Plus he bails on plays.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2014, 04:16:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6NbJMq-QfU
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft Lottery tonight)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2014, 04:20:55 PM
So LA and Boston will get the #1 and #2 picks tonight right?

:trollbron:
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft Lottery tonight)
Post by: benjipwns on May 20, 2014, 04:27:13 PM
All I care about is nobody from picks #9-14 moving up. Let SVG start working that magic.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft Lottery tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2014, 07:49:57 PM
Early to be saying this but I believe this is a must win for Miami tonight. Going down 0-2 in a best of 7 with Indy having the home court would be extremely difficult to pull out. Miami normally bounces back when they need a win so tonight should be fun/interesting.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft Lottery tonight)
Post by: benjipwns on May 20, 2014, 08:22:30 PM
Fucking Singler!

Cavs gonna get another number one pick to mess up amirite.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft Lottery tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2014, 08:26:05 PM
dem cavs!

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft Lottery tonight)
Post by: benjipwns on May 20, 2014, 08:26:39 PM
oh god they did

also  :-* :-[ at Bucks' representative
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft Lottery tonight)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2014, 08:29:11 PM
Joe Dumars, ladies and gentlemen.

WOW @ Cavs. Irving to Wiggins down low...or do they pair up Irving with Parker in the back court...hmmm.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft Lottery tonight)
Post by: benjipwns on May 20, 2014, 08:30:13 PM
Wiggins, LeBron, Irving, they just need some bigs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs: Oops!... I Did It Again)
Post by: etiolate on May 20, 2014, 08:46:11 PM
The NBA finally found a way to keep college players from coming out early.

Keep giving the top pick to Cleveland.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs: Oops!... I Did It Again)
Post by: benjipwns on May 20, 2014, 08:56:21 PM
Quote
"Not 1, not 2, but 3 first overall picks since LeBron left"
:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs: Oops!... I Did It Again)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2014, 09:00:08 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs: Oops!... I Did It Again)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2014, 09:42:04 PM
Better half so far for the Heat. The defense is much better. Much quicker. Less useless double teams. And more Birdman.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs: Oops!... I Did It Again)
Post by: etiolate on May 20, 2014, 09:50:06 PM
Somehow the Kings dropped in draft ranking for like the 4th time in the past 5 years.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs: Oops!... I Did It Again)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2014, 10:00:02 PM
Quote from: etiolate on May 20, 2014, 09:50:06 PM
Somehow the Kings dropped in draft ranking for like the 4th time in the past 5 years.

all apart of the plan to systematically punish small market teams
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs: Oops!... I Did It Again)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2014, 10:06:48 PM
Chalmers is playing wretched in this series. The Miami defense is better. The offense feels as limited as ever.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs: Oops!... I Did It Again)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2014, 10:17:27 PM
Stephenson is killing it. Not sure why Lebron is so passive on offensive tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs: Oops!... I Did It Again)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2014, 10:49:11 PM
Hibbert owns bosh so hard in these games its hilarious.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs: Oops!... I Did It Again)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2014, 10:54:44 PM
Nice 4th quarter for Lebron.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs: Oops!... I Did It Again)
Post by: benjipwns on May 20, 2014, 10:57:50 PM
If you told me these two teams were shooting better from three than the FT line in this game I'd almost believe you.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs: Oops!... I Did It Again)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2014, 11:05:04 PM
That Lebron pass was the dagger. Nice 4th quarter comeback win for the Heat. Miami had to win that one and they did. On to the next one.

Lebron and Wade played great. Especially in the 4th.  Birdman and Cole played really well.

Bosh appears to be in another of his lost confidence funks he regularly takes in the playoffs.


Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs: Oops!... I Did It Again)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 21, 2014, 02:09:50 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/SfmeuKO.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs: Oops!... I Did It Again)
Post by: benjipwns on May 21, 2014, 02:55:26 AM
So apparently the New Orleans Pelicans have some interest in Joe Dumars...

EDIT: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=okupov8

Tough deal, but I guess I'll take it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs: Oops!... I Did It Again)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2014, 04:13:10 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/10964763/2014-nba-playoffs-paul-george-indiana-pacers-diagnosed-concussion
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs: Oops!... I Did It Again)
Post by: Steve Contra on May 21, 2014, 04:17:31 PM
The fix is in!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs: Oops!... I Did It Again)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2014, 10:22:11 PM
Pretty much sums up the game

(http://abload.de/img/untitled-2ads80.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Spurs versus whoever)
Post by: Your Stalker on May 21, 2014, 11:30:02 PM
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e289/nsane9/Mobile%20Uploads/lgluf_zpsx7eel18b.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Spurs versus whoever)
Post by: benjipwns on May 22, 2014, 02:57:01 AM
Quote
After conducting a formal review, the NBA has alleged that Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling and his management team attempted to mislead the league during its investigation of racist remarks he made on a recording published by TMZ, according to a report obtained by the Los Angeles Times on Tuesday.

Sterling's actions were among several allegations the NBA made against the banned owner as well as Clippers management in the 30-page report, as detailed by the Times.

• Sterling tried to get V. Stiviano to lie about the authenticity of the recording and tell investigators that she had altered the audio of the TMZ tape. Stiviano was the person Sterling made the racist comments to on the tape, in which he voices unhappiness with her for posting online photos of herself with black people, including Hall of Famer Magic Johnson.

• On April 9, more than two weeks before it became public, the Clippers received a copy of the recording. Team president Andy Roeser discussed it with Sterling, then instructed an employee to destroy the copy. Roeser is currently on an indefinite leave of absence.

• Sterling and his wife, Shelly, are not estranged, as she has said. "Significant evidence exists in the public record and otherwise that Mr. and Mrs. Sterling are not in any sense estranged," the report says, according to the Times, adding that they are "inextricably intertwined" despite their claims. The report details how the two attended most Clippers home games this season, were spotted together at the All-Star Game in New Orleans and spent two days together immediately after the controversial recording went public.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Spurs versus whoever)
Post by: Your Stalker on May 22, 2014, 03:22:51 AM
(http://abload.de/img/okcspursjhs92.gif)
 :deadpos
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs: Oops!... I Did It Again)
Post by: Himu on May 22, 2014, 10:58:34 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2014, 10:22:11 PM
Pretty much sums up the game

(http://abload.de/img/untitled-2ads80.gif)

I keep watching this gif and I have no idea how the first pass was made or completed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Spurs versus whoever)
Post by: benjipwns on May 22, 2014, 05:00:19 PM
LIVE FOOTAGE OF THE RIGGING:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJda8FZc6cc
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Spurs versus whoever)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 23, 2014, 12:50:16 PM
Quote
Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account
‏@WojYahooNBA
OKC ran Ibaka through battery of tests on Thursday and his calf responded well. Still soreness but a Sunday Game 3 return is possible.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Spurs versus whoever)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 23, 2014, 04:47:44 PM
 :o
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Spurs versus whoever)
Post by: Himu on May 23, 2014, 09:59:55 PM
Now that the Rockets out of the playoffs, fucking Houston Chronicle talking about how the next great player Rockets need to get to win a championship. They had Lebron, Carmelo, Gasol;etc on the cover of the sports page, talking about the Rockets are missing a piece to the puzzle, when they finally got Howard, Harden,  Parsons, and Lin. This fucking team and its fucking fans. I swear they're always looking for the "missing piece" to this team and trying to acquire some top league talent.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Spurs versus whoever)
Post by: Beezy on May 23, 2014, 10:05:37 PM
Well you guys do need a better PG than Lin. Or he has to get better. Another super star though? Lol no. You have plenty right now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Spurs versus whoever)
Post by: Himu on May 23, 2014, 10:06:40 PM
That's what I'm saying.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Spurs versus whoever)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 23, 2014, 10:23:25 PM
Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on May 23, 2014, 09:59:55 PM
Now that the Rockets out of the playoffs, fucking Houston Chronicle talking about how the next great player Rockets need to get to win a championship. They had Lebron, Carmelo, Gasol;etc on the cover of the sports page, talking about the Rockets are missing a piece to the puzzle, when they finally got Howard, Harden,  Parsons, and Lin. This fucking team and its fucking fans. I swear they're always looking for the "missing piece" to this team and trying to acquire some top league talent.

Every team that isn't the champion is looking for the "missing piece". There is nothing unusual about this. Rolling out this exact same squad next year is probably going to get them about where they got this year.


And the Rockets do need some pieces. Lin needs to go. They need to bite the bullet and trade Asik for something.


There is also talk of packing those things and Parsons and trying to get another "star" player who gives them something.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Spurs versus whoever)
Post by: Himu on May 23, 2014, 10:37:27 PM
The Rockets are missing pieces, because as Beezy said, Lin isn't pulling his weight he needs to be doing. I also realize that all teams that don't lose the championship are looking for missing pieces. My problem is that the Chronicle and other Rockets fans only ever want top superstars. Pretending like Lebron, Carmelo, Gasol;etc will come to the Rockets to help them fill in those pieces is delusional as it is hilarious.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Spurs versus whoever)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 23, 2014, 10:53:47 PM
but I thought you said you didn't care about basketball anymore
:hitler

Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Spurs versus whoever)
Post by: Shadow Mod on May 24, 2014, 12:35:47 AM
Asik and Lin are pretty useless. Harden is just, man what an overpaid schmuck. He got his shit together for like one game against the Blazers but was just ineffectual as all fuck for what he's paid.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Spurs versus whoever)
Post by: Mandark on May 24, 2014, 12:45:20 AM
Quote from: Needs More Cowbell on May 24, 2014, 12:35:47 AM
Asik and Lin are pretty useless. Harden is just, man what an overpaid schmuck. He got his shit together for like one game against the Blazers but was just ineffectual as all fuck for what he's paid.

GTFO with that.  He's got the 33rd highest salary in the league.  Easily worth 13.7M in today's NBA.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Spurs versus whoever)
Post by: Shadow Mod on May 24, 2014, 12:46:05 AM
Quote from: Mandark on May 24, 2014, 12:45:20 AM
Quote from: Needs More Cowbell on May 24, 2014, 12:35:47 AM
Asik and Lin are pretty useless. Harden is just, man what an overpaid schmuck. He got his shit together for like one game against the Blazers but was just ineffectual as all fuck for what he's paid.

GTFO with that.  He's got the 33rd highest salary in the league.  Easily worth 13.7M in today's NBA.

Everybody paid too much for lackluster shit then.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Spurs versus whoever)
Post by: Mandark on May 24, 2014, 12:47:43 AM
 :comeon
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Spurs versus whoever)
Post by: Himu on May 24, 2014, 12:47:45 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 23, 2014, 10:53:47 PM
but I thought you said you didn't care about basketball anymore
:hitler

Didn't say I did. Houston Chronicle trying to make a case that Houston needs another superstar is actually one of my main reasons why I don't.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Spurs versus whoever)
Post by: Shadow Mod on May 24, 2014, 12:51:37 AM
Quote from: Mandark on May 24, 2014, 12:47:43 AM
:comeon

Pay me millions to play with balls, miss easy lay ups, dunks at 6'5+ and free throws.

 :fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Spurs versus whoever)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 24, 2014, 11:06:13 PM
this is the best I've seen the heat play all season
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Spurs versus whoever)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 25, 2014, 12:49:48 AM
Didn't get a chance to catch the game. I'll try to find a torrent and watch it in the morning.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Spurs versus whoever)
Post by: benjipwns on May 25, 2014, 02:16:51 AM
Houston's problem is that Dwight short-circuited their plan and they couldn't pass it up. So now they're in contention early. And they DO need another scorer, Harden is their offense too much. They don't need Melo or Gasol though, Kevin Love would be a better acquisition if they could swing it, he's exactly what they want defense-aside.

I'd definitely include Parsons, let alone Lin in a deal for him.  :hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Spurs versus whoever)
Post by: Mandark on May 25, 2014, 02:31:46 AM
I don't know that there was a "plan" with a longer timetable that Dwight disrupted.  He's been one of their primary targets since it was clear he was disgruntled in ORL, and if anything they probably anticipated making a run at him a year earlier.  Plus they almost got Pau Gasol in that vetoed Chris Paul trade three offseasons ago.  I think their bigger problem is that they anticipated Asik and Lin playing better (either to contribute to the team or to have value as a trade piece) or finding another gem or two among their cheap players.

Though really, we're looking at the flaws of a team that's in a pretty good spot and has improved a lot in the last couple years.  There are just other good teams, especially in the West.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Spurs versus whoever)
Post by: benjipwns on May 25, 2014, 02:45:51 AM
Actually it is probably more accurate to say that Harden is what started to derail the plan.

Morey's had a plan to stockpile assets that can be flipped with the D-League serving as a farm system. I think Asik worked out as expected but Dwight knocked him into the background and he's too valuable for what the market was offering probably. As for Lin, I imagine they didn't expect to have Harden there to dominate the ball and hoped Lin could put up some gaudy numbers to keep Linsanity going and then be flipped for something of higher value.

Lin doesn't shoot the three or play off the ball well enough to be paired with Harden and Asik can't do anything offensively to be paired with Dwight who needs his space. Dwight also derailed some of the plans for Motiejunas.

If they knew they were getting Dwight they would have kept Patrick Patterson and/or Marcus Morris I imagine.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Spurs versus whoever)
Post by: etiolate on May 25, 2014, 04:19:40 AM
Well they made a lot of moves to be able to get Dwight, so I imagine they expected to have Dwight. Harden is more of a surprise player.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Spurs versus whoever)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 25, 2014, 10:26:22 PM
Ibaka is actually playing, and killing it.  5/6, 4 blocks
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Spurs versus whoever)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 25, 2014, 10:28:01 PM
Decent number of minutes too. I kinda thought this was going to be a gimmick where he only ends up playing a few minutes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Spurs versus whoever)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 25, 2014, 10:29:50 PM
Here's hoping this doesn't hobble him for the next few games
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Spurs versus whoever)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 25, 2014, 10:34:24 PM
lol at butler.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Spurs versus whoever)
Post by: etiolate on May 25, 2014, 10:46:59 PM
No matter what happens with Ibaka, Hasheem Thabeet is never seeing the court.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 26, 2014, 02:05:38 AM
(http://fat.gfycat.com/PaltryCreativeCollie.gif)
(http://fat.gfycat.com/InconsequentialGroundedIberianmidwifetoad.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: benjipwns on May 26, 2014, 03:07:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUQY5YAsXLw
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: benjipwns on May 26, 2014, 09:25:50 PM
Quote
Shaq said on TNT: "D-Wade doesn't mind being the other guy. He's won all of his championships being the other guy."
:shaq
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 26, 2014, 09:31:35 PM
Yeah I saw that.  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: benjipwns on May 26, 2014, 09:38:57 PM
that LeBron drive and-one  :whoo
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 26, 2014, 10:33:34 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2014, 10:36:46 PM
Despite all the drama the Pacers are right where they want to be. 7 game series versus the Heat. They have the home court advantage. And they match up extremely well.

Will be really interesting. I give them a hell of a chance of making the finals.

Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 16, 2014, 01:22:29 AM
I'll be highly shocked if the Heat beat the Pacers in 5. The evidence doesn't suggest that is likely. I expect 6 or 7 whoever wins.


 :ufup
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Serge Ibaka done for playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 27, 2014, 12:05:51 AM
Quote
No, Stoney.  Let's stop pretending the Pacers will be able to beat the Heat.  Heat just beat the best team record wise in the East since January in five games.  The Heat may be flawed but they step up.  The Pacers are shook and look legit awful. Heat in 5.  If it goes to seven games I will ice my dick for an entire day.

 :rejoice

Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2014, 04:26:18 PM
I kind of secretly hope the Heat lose this series so Spoelstra gets exposed a bit. This is the perfect series that will actually test him to make changes during a game or series. Something I think he is terrible at.

 :ufup
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Stoney wrong about Heat.....again)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 27, 2014, 03:38:27 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/10983930/lebron-bond-miami-strong

Nice article

Also zach lowe article on Pacers/Heat

http://grantland.com/features/thoughts-from-miami-indiana-conference-finals/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Stoney wrong about Heat.....again)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 27, 2014, 10:18:51 PM
Wow this series seems completely different now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Heat versus whoever)
Post by: Your Stalker on May 28, 2014, 12:37:24 AM
it'd be funny if this series turned out like the 2012 one
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Heat versus whoever)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2014, 01:57:34 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/FPuuXxF.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Heat versus whoever)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2014, 10:06:24 PM
Pacers just look like they give no fucks right now.

Also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9LdMPUWV-Q&featuhttp://www.thebore.com/forum/Themes/default/images/bbc/shadow.gifre=share
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Heat versus whoever)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2014, 10:23:59 PM
Lebron's foul trouble finally catching up with the heat.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Heat versus whoever)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2014, 10:56:12 PM
That was an awful 3 point decision by Lebron there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Heat versus whoever)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2014, 11:01:58 PM
What an odd game.

Paul George killing tonight.

Everybody on the heat playing well except Lebron (probably the worst game coupled with foul trouble I've seen from him in a very long time). How often does that happen.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Heat versus whoever)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2014, 11:04:49 PM
lol crazy lebron block. What the heck was stephenson doing on the ground trying to be picked up.  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Heat versus whoever)
Post by: benjipwns on May 28, 2014, 11:09:10 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2014, 10:06:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9LdMPUWV-Q
This is literally the greatest thing aired on ESPN ever.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Heat versus whoever)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2014, 11:16:05 PM
Crazy finish.

Miami would have probably won it if Lebron hadn't been in foul trouble for most of the game. But honestly they still probably should have won it. Outside of that block at the end Lebron did a lot wrong. I didn't like the dish to bosh at the end there either. They'll most likely finish it out at home.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Heat versus whoever)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2014, 11:19:37 PM
(http://giant.gfycat.com/RawWetFlatcoatretriever.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Heat versus whoever)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 28, 2014, 11:22:29 PM
fun, weird game  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Heat versus whoever)
Post by: benjipwns on May 28, 2014, 11:30:42 PM
(http://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/imported_assets/2218335/854832927.gif)

Spoelstra should have started giving him directions too.  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Heat versus whoever)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 28, 2014, 11:31:08 PM
So Stony is this the end of the Heat?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Heat versus whoever)
Post by: benjipwns on May 28, 2014, 11:33:08 PM
Also, that guy to the right in the crowd getting excited.  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Heat versus whoever)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 29, 2014, 12:39:59 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 28, 2014, 11:31:08 PM
So Stony is this the end of the Heat?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN5xuxtlU6U
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals: Heat versus whoever)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 29, 2014, 01:07:56 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2014, 11:04:49 PM
lol crazy lebron block. What the heck was stephenson doing on the ground trying to be picked up.  :lol

(https://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/854835817.gif?1401332629)

This is that play I was talking about. wtf lol.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lance Stephenson>Lebron)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 29, 2014, 12:02:45 PM
The whole Lance thing has exploded today because of the ear blowing but honestly I think the whole thing is great. Dude is crazy but you need some of that. It makes the atmosphere better. It introduces characters back into the game. And honestly it just makes the whole thing more fun. He made that game last night.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lance Stephenson>Lebron)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 29, 2014, 02:06:04 PM
(http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/lance-stephenson-nintendo.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lance Stephenson>Lebron)
Post by: T-Short on May 29, 2014, 03:25:50 PM
(http://i.minus.com/jvKhgINijCqlE.jpg)

 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lance Stephenson>Lebron)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 29, 2014, 06:20:57 PM
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lance Stephenson>Lebron)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 29, 2014, 09:27:34 PM
Quote
The Sterling family trust has signed an agreement to sell the Los Angeles Clippers to former Microsoft chief executive Steve Ballmer for $2 billion, sources tell ESPN.com's Ramona Shelburne.

The agreement is going straight to the NBA for final approval and does not require additional approval from banned Clippers owner Donald Sterling, according to sources.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Ballmer buys Clips for 2 billion)
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 29, 2014, 10:08:24 PM
:holeup
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Ballmer buys Clips for 2 billion)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 29, 2014, 10:08:24 PM
Ball to the walls offense from both sides there in the half.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Ballmer buys Clips for 2 billion)
Post by: etiolate on May 29, 2014, 10:12:50 PM
When reached for comment on the potential new ownership, Chris Paul grimaced in pain, grabbed his heart and fell to the ground, flopping about for several seconds before regaining composure and asking for the reporter who asked the question  to be T'd up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Ballmer buys Clips for 2 billion)
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2014, 10:13:48 PM
Quote
According to E-Poll Market Research, Donald Sterling is the most hated man in America. Here are the others who joined him on that list.

Rank   Name   Percent
-- E-Poll Market Research
1   Donald Sterling   92
2   Bernie Madoff   90
T3   O.J. Simpson   88
T3   Conrad Murray   88
5   Justin Bieber   86
6   Phil Spector   83
7   Aaron Hernandez   81
8   Michael Lohan   76
9   Eliot Spitzer   73
10   Jon Gosselin   71
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Ballmer buys Clips for 2 billion)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 29, 2014, 11:04:55 PM
Spurs too good tonight
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Ballmer buys Clips for 2 billion)
Post by: bachikarn on May 29, 2014, 11:23:25 PM
I wonder if Ballmer will try to move the Clips to Seattle
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Ballmer buys Clips for 2 billion)
Post by: etiolate on May 30, 2014, 01:03:53 AM
Ballmer said he has no plans to move the team, so yes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Ballmer buys Clips for 2 billion)
Post by: Beezy on May 30, 2014, 02:38:59 AM
Quote from: etiolate on May 30, 2014, 01:03:53 AM
Ballmer said he has no plans to move the team, so yes.
:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Ballmer buys Clips for 2 billion)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2014, 01:20:07 PM
Quote
Chris HerringVerified account
‏@HerringWSJ
Phil says Kerr verbally committed to the Knicks' job the day before Kerr took the coaching job with Golden State.

 :mynicca
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Ballmer buys Clips for 2 billion)
Post by: benjipwns on May 30, 2014, 03:28:01 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/11006257/paul-george-indiana-pacers-hit-paternity-suit-former-stripper
Quote
Indiana Pacers forward Paul George was hit with a paternity suit by a former stripper after she gave birth to a girl, according to reports by the New York Post and New York Daily News on Friday.

Daniela Rajic, 24, gave birth to daughter Olivia on May 1 and filed the suit in Manhattan Family Court on Wednesday.

...

The suit seeks a court-ordered DNA test and legal declaration that George is the father, and both newspapers, citing sources close to Rajic, said a private paternity test has affirmed that result.

Rajic's lawyer, Raoul Felder, told the Daily News that George has already met the baby and has voluntarily paid the medical bills.

The Post reported that George, 24, had a relationship with Rajic for a few months last summer after meeting in Miami, where she reportedly worked at Tootsie's Cabaret. Rajic has since moved to New York to be with her family, and she is currently a full-time mom.

Comments!
Quote
Eric Young ·  Top Commenter · Howard Community College
This IND team needs to go away quickly. Grow up in their time out of the spot light and come back with some humility, drive and composure.
Quote
Bill Harrison ·  Top Commenter · University of Memphis
Larry Bird must be so proud of his team. They have gone out of their way to alienate fans everywhere. Do us all a favor and blow this team up.
Quote
Vardan Patel ·  Top Commenter
what man blows in another mans ear? seems a bit homo to me... maybe lance is giving us a sign that he is the 2nd openly gay nba player ???
Quote
Bob-Ruth McDonie ·  Top Commenter
This is problem period check the number of babies born out of wedlock. I have only had sex with one women and that is the one I married in 1976. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jul/29/don-lemon/cnns-don-lemon-says-more-72-percent-african-americ/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Ballmer buys Clips for 2 billion)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 30, 2014, 06:21:46 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 30, 2014, 03:28:01 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/11006257/paul-george-indiana-pacers-hit-paternity-suit-former-stripper
Quote
Indiana Pacers forward Paul George was hit with a paternity suit by a former stripper after she gave birth to a girl, according to reports by the New York Post and New York Daily News on Friday.

Daniela Rajic, 24, gave birth to daughter Olivia on May 1 and filed the suit in Manhattan Family Court on Wednesday.

...

The suit seeks a court-ordered DNA test and legal declaration that George is the father, and both newspapers, citing sources close to Rajic, said a private paternity test has affirmed that result.

Rajic's lawyer, Raoul Felder, told the Daily News that George has already met the baby and has voluntarily paid the medical bills.

The Post reported that George, 24, had a relationship with Rajic for a few months last summer after meeting in Miami, where she reportedly worked at Tootsie's Cabaret. Rajic has since moved to New York to be with her family, and she is currently a full-time mom.

Comments!
Quote
Eric Young ·  Top Commenter · Howard Community College
This IND team needs to go away quickly. Grow up in their time out of the spot light and come back with some humility, drive and composure.
Quote
Bill Harrison ·  Top Commenter · University of Memphis
Larry Bird must be so proud of his team. They have gone out of their way to alienate fans everywhere. Do us all a favor and blow this team up.
Quote
Vardan Patel ·  Top Commenter
what man blows in another mans ear? seems a bit homo to me... maybe lance is giving us a sign that he is the 2nd openly gay nba player ???
Quote
Bob-Ruth McDonie ·  Top Commenter
This is problem period check the number of babies born out of wedlock. I have only had sex with one women and that is the one I married in 1976. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jul/29/don-lemon/cnns-don-lemon-says-more-72-percent-african-americ/

Told you about this awhile ago
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/stripper-allegedly-turns-down-1-million-to-not-have-paul-georges-baby.188055/

grats to 18 years of child support, dumbass
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Ballmer buys Clips for 2 billion)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 30, 2014, 10:28:30 PM
I was off by one game but still...

  8)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Ballmer buys Clips for 2 billion)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2014, 10:54:28 PM
You could kind of tell the last game was the last grasp by the Pacers and they barely won that one. This one had the earmarks of a blowout.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Ballmer buys Clips for 2 billion)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2014, 12:33:20 AM
The interesting bit is where the Pacers go from here. This was supposed to be the team. This was the constructed team to beat the heat. Now there will be all sorts of questions and decisions about how to proceed and who should they keep.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Ballmer buys Clips for 2 billion)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2014, 12:43:21 AM
https://twitter.com/WorldofIsaac/statuses/472548337930211329

 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Ballmer buys Clips for 2 billion)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2014, 11:27:16 AM
So can the Spurs beat the Heat? NBAsplain me, brehs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Ballmer buys Clips for 2 billion)
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 31, 2014, 12:27:21 PM
The only thing we know for sure is that Spurs will either beat the Heat or they won't.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Ballmer buys Clips for 2 billion)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2014, 12:35:32 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 31, 2014, 12:27:21 PM
The only thing we know for sure is that Spurs will either beat the Heat or they won't.

(http://imageshack.com/a/img507/3374/skip1n.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Ballmer buys Clips for 2 billion)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2014, 10:20:00 PM
Quarter of destiny for the Thunder. Down by 10 to start the 4th.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Ballmer buys Clips for 2 billion)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2014, 10:39:14 PM
Boris Diaw has looked like a fucking superstar this series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Ballmer buys Clips for 2 billion)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2014, 10:44:09 PM
Fisher with that veteran leadership
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Ballmer buys Clips for 2 billion)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2014, 10:51:54 PM
Some bad passes from Westbrook tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Ballmer buys Clips for 2 billion)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2014, 10:55:48 PM
lol. why is Derek fischer constantly on Duncan and Diaw. Makes no sense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Ballmer buys Clips for 2 billion)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2014, 10:58:03 PM
Thunder offense looks so bad in the half-court sometimes.

Amazing steal from Westbrook though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Ballmer buys Clips for 2 billion)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2014, 11:02:50 PM
Spurs fans gonna be hot about that missed goaltending call if they lose.

 :jawalrus
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Ballmer buys Clips for 2 billion)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2014, 11:04:36 PM
wow. huge balls for that 3.


Title: Re: The NBA thread (Ballmer buys Clips for 2 billion)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2014, 11:05:59 PM
Durant

 :gurl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Ballmer buys Clips for 2 billion)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2014, 11:06:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBQ2mjkvYY8
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Ballmer buys Clips for 2 billion)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2014, 11:14:37 PM
Shut up about the fucking minutes Reggie Miller.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Ballmer buys Clips for 2 billion)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2014, 11:25:59 PM
Man, San Antonio just get those cross-ups so easily. Why is Reggie jackson trying to cover Duncan in the post. I mean I understand why those cross-ups can happen but it seems like it happens every single time with OKC being in some huge mismatch.

And my god, I can't take reggie miller anymore tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Ballmer buys Clips for 2 billion)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2014, 11:30:53 PM
Westbrook, ladies and gentlemen.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Ballmer buys Clips for 2 billion)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2014, 11:33:49 PM
lol. I watch on watchtnt.com on the web because I have fios and the fucking game never game back from the last commercial break so I missed the last 15 seconds of the game.  :maf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Ballmer buys Clips for 2 billion)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2014, 11:35:20 PM
(http://www.thecoli.com/media/lil-b-durant.1186/full?lightbox=1&last_edit_date=1394864788)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Ballmer buys Clips for 2 billion)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2014, 11:40:44 PM
The same thing gets said every year but it remains the truth. They have to install a real offense down there. As good as Westbrook and Durant are, this seems to be about the limit with them of constantly just running isolation plays for the two of them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat - The Sequel)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2014, 11:47:15 PM
Not to mention Westbrook constantly driving into the paint and then trying to hit the open man at the 3 point corner only to turn the ball away.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat - The Sequel)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 01, 2014, 12:03:18 AM
Either Ducan gets his fifth ring. Or Lebron wins three in a row.

Either way Kobe loses

 :jawalrus
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat - The Sequel)
Post by: benjipwns on June 01, 2014, 12:05:52 AM
Thunder are slowly getting there by adjusting the side pieces but they just haven't had the flexibility the Heat and Spurs do to play 50 different styles AND play them well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat - The Sequel)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 01, 2014, 12:18:02 AM
You know what would work for the Thunder?

James Harden off the bench.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat - The Sequel)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 01, 2014, 04:12:36 AM
https://vine.co/v/MpZWPrPDzbu
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat - The Sequel)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 01, 2014, 01:40:10 PM
Dear Spurs,

Thank you.

Sincerely,
Seattle
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat - The Sequel)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 01, 2014, 01:57:28 PM
Isn't he already ranked pretty high? How many PF would anyone rate above him?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 1 Tonight 9 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2014, 01:19:08 PM
And so it begins tonight. Spurs seem to be a slight series favorite based on pundits and betting lines going in.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 1 Tonight 9 PM EST)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 05, 2014, 02:13:52 PM
:hyper :hyper :hyper :hyper :hyper :hyper
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 1 Tonight 9 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2014, 02:25:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuFs4x4MXng
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8VQXm42y0w
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 1 Tonight 9 PM EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2014, 04:44:41 PM
I don't even want to know what Awesom-O gave up to will this into existence
http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2014/06/sidechick-says-dwight-howard-cheating-on-his-christian-gf-photos/

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 1 Tonight 9 PM EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2014, 09:24:21 PM
The frustrating thing about the game starting with the "refs letting them play" is that you know they're just going to start calling touch fouls with 10 minutes left in the game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 1 Tonight 9 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2014, 09:25:16 PM
Chalmers has been so wretched this year in the playoffs. Terrible turnovers. Coasting on defense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 1 Tonight 9 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2014, 09:49:54 PM
San Antonio 5-9 from 3pt range. That doesn't bode well for Miami.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 1 Tonight 9 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2014, 09:54:17 PM
chalmers.

 ::)


Heat also kinda hot from 3pt range.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 1 Tonight 9 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2014, 10:17:58 PM
Close Half. Spurs were the more consistent team though in offensive execution which is what tends to determine the winner in these kind of games.

I guess Oden not playing also puts a caper on any notion that he could be useful in any way for this entire season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 1 Tonight 9 PM EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2014, 10:58:46 PM
They should call technical fouls for flops.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 1 Tonight 9 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2014, 10:59:04 PM
Damn nice Allen dunk.

LOL at that splitter flop.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 1 Tonight 9 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2014, 11:04:36 PM
Close game. Played about as close and as well as you would have expected going into the 4th.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 1 Tonight 9 PM EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2014, 11:12:06 PM
and here come the touch fouls.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 1 Tonight 9 PM EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2014, 11:25:16 PM
LeBitch on the bench  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 1 Tonight 9 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2014, 11:27:24 PM
unfortunate time for Lebron to get heat exhaustion or whatever is going on.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 1 Tonight 9 PM EST)
Post by: bachikarn on June 05, 2014, 11:28:40 PM
It's going to be pretty ironic if the Heat lose because of the heat.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 1 Tonight 9 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2014, 11:34:59 PM
Heat are done here. Tough way to lose the first game. Not a must win but it was one they had in control in the 4th quarter. And the spurs turning the ball over like crazy. You can't let those escape.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 1 Tonight 9 PM EST)
Post by: benjipwns on June 05, 2014, 11:37:57 PM
Chalmers  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 1 Tonight 9 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2014, 11:38:02 PM
lol. I think Chalmers is a double agent playing to hurt the heat this year in the playoffs. He has been just dreadful.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 1 Tonight 9 PM EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2014, 11:38:11 PM
https://twitter.com/espn/status/474741821818826752/photo/1
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 2 Sunday 8 PM EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 06, 2014, 12:37:26 AM
(http://cdn.niketalk.com/1/1f/1fea5acf_ScreenShot2014-06-05at11.43.12PM.png)
:dead

cramps are no joke though, not gonna lie
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 2 Sunday 8 PM EST)
Post by: Your Stalker on June 06, 2014, 03:29:46 AM
https://twitter.com/Gatorade/status/474768170268758016
https://twitter.com/Gatorade/status/474761388125323264
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 2 Sunday 8 PM EST)
Post by: Steve Contra on June 06, 2014, 01:06:57 PM
Them Texas boys can take a broken air conditioner better than Miami.  Makes me proud :obama
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 2 Sunday 8 PM EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2014, 11:36:58 PM
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/lebron-is-a-damn-chump-for-cramping-up.220733/
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 2 Sunday 8 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 08, 2014, 08:16:46 PM
And we are back. That spurs offense gave Miami fits the first game. Spurs shot 59% overall. And 52% from 3 point range.



Let's see if any adjustments are made.


Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 2 Sunday 8 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 08, 2014, 08:38:00 PM
First Quarter down.

Spurs offense too efficient still for Miami.

This is starting to look like a must win for Miami. Going down 2-0 to the Spurs would be brutal.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 2 Sunday 8 PM EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2014, 08:58:05 PM
If the Heat would actually show up on defense they'd be winning this game right now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 2 Sunday 8 PM EST)
Post by: Huff on June 08, 2014, 09:04:43 PM
lol wade.

soccer continuing to ruin basketball
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 2 Sunday 8 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 08, 2014, 09:11:24 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2014, 08:58:05 PM
If the Heat would actually show up on defense they'd be winning this game right now.
I think they've played decently defensively this game by comparison. It's just the Spurs are that good.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 2 Sunday 8 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 08, 2014, 09:20:39 PM
Close game obviously...

It always feels like the spurs are in control and then it comes down to who can execute down the stretch. Much better Miami defensive effort. But it always feels like the Spurs are on the verge of making a big run and blowing it open when these teams play. But it just seems to stay close.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 2 Sunday 8 PM EST)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 08, 2014, 09:30:00 PM
Fun, sloppy game.  Lebron nearly with a double double already
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 2 Sunday 8 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 08, 2014, 10:09:18 PM
Jesus. Why didn't Rashard play like this all year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 2 Sunday 8 PM EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2014, 10:28:32 PM
"Went in flour, came out cake"

I love Jackson, man  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 2 Sunday 8 PM EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2014, 10:31:44 PM
"Hand down, MAN DOWN"
:heh

Come on ESPN, replaced Van Gundy with Bill Walton, even if it's for 10 minutes. I need to hear Jackson and Walton together going ham.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 2 Sunday 8 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 08, 2014, 10:32:02 PM
Clutch 3 by Parker there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 2 Sunday 8 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 08, 2014, 10:35:21 PM
11-24 46%.

That's not too stupid imo.

That 3 point shot keeps miami honest and stops them from stuffing the lane. I'll take that percentage from 3's any game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 2 Sunday 8 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 08, 2014, 10:41:55 PM
Hell of a win from Miami.

Lebron Crushed it tonight.

Impressive win after that crushing first game loss and all the stupid Lebron hating.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 2 Sunday 8 PM EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2014, 10:45:13 PM
Ginobli is a great sixth man for the Heat whenever the game is on the line.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 2 Sunday 8 PM EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2014, 10:48:46 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 08, 2014, 10:47:35 PM
LeBron fouled the shit out of Parker's hand on that out of bounds play that they spent forever reviewing.

If someone hit LeBron like that it's a foul. I'm no conspiracy theorist but that's just blatant superstar rules shit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 3 Tuesday 9 PM EST)
Post by: benjipwns on June 08, 2014, 11:19:48 PM
I thought it looked like a pretty clean strip but I didn't watch all 65 replays of it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 3 Tuesday 9 PM EST)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 09, 2014, 02:21:20 AM
oh fucking wah wah
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 3 Tuesday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2014, 02:59:35 AM
Quote
Mario Chalmers played just 17 minutes in Game 1 and had more fouls (5) than points (3). He also managed to have 5 turnovers in that limited amount of time. Overall, Chalmers' production has gone down in the last 10 games. He's averaging nearly 5 fewer points, shooting much worse from the field and the Heat are -11 in those games with him on the court. · Chalmers hasn't had a double-digit scoring game in the last 10 games. · He has more turnovers (20) than made field goals (19) in last 10 games. · His touches per game have dropped from 64.2 per game in the first 6 games to 53.3 per game in the last 10. He's averaging only 43.2 touches per game in the last 6 games.

And Chalmers is a free agent this off-season. Way to earn those big bucks.


Also this was pretty sweet.

(https://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/856206623.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 3 Tuesday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2014, 08:43:12 AM
Heat are going to win this 4-2, aren't they.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 3 Tuesday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2014, 06:40:23 PM
Quote
Howard BeckVerified account
‏@HowardBeck
Derek Fisher has decided to accept the Knicks' head coaching position, per source.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 3 Tuesday 9 PM EST)
Post by: benjipwns on June 10, 2014, 04:26:38 AM
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/11057518/derek-fisher-reaches-agreement-become-coach-new-york-knicks

Five years, $25 million.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 3 Tuesday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Mandark on June 10, 2014, 04:34:44 AM
Along with Kerr, that's two new guys with no coaching experience and pretty hefty contracts.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 3 Tuesday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2014, 09:58:41 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 10, 2014, 08:13:08 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2014, 08:43:12 AM
Heat are going to win this 4-2, aren't they.

Praying to the old gods and the new that SA can get one in Miami. Losing game 2 was potentially one of the most catastrophic things in sports history.
I don't see it. They played really well for most of game two yet once Miami started playing defense the atmosphere changed. Plus you know Manu will have at least two huge turnovers tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 3 Tuesday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Beezy on June 10, 2014, 12:50:18 PM
Quote from: Mandark on June 10, 2014, 04:34:44 AM
Along with Kerr, that's two new guys with no coaching experience and pretty hefty contracts.
Knicks
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 3 Tuesday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2014, 03:52:50 PM
Nice article on Bosh.

Quote
The pain from the 2010-11 season forced Bosh to come to grips with a sober realization: He was never going to be a fan favorite. No matter what he did, he was never going to win the adoration of the average NBA viewer. So he opted for a more fulfilling lifestyle, one in which he could revel in his differences.

"After that, it changed me," Bosh says. "Man, I'm just going to be myself. I shouldn't have to apologize for that. If people don't understand that, then they don't understand it. I'm not going to try to be somebody I'm not."

Bosh gave up the fight. Instead, he dedicated himself to winning over those closest to him: his family, his team and his friends. After the first season, he blocked out the noise and stopped watching the sports pundits, and the only NBA articles he read were ones that his father or wife forwarded his way. Winning over his team meant playing defense, stretching the floor, doing the little plays that don't show up in the box score, only in scouting reports and advanced stats.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11046586/reinvention-chris-bosh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 3 Tuesday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2014, 09:39:22 PM
Spurs are playing perfect in the first quarter wow

edit: Manu at the buzzer lmao :o
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 3 Tuesday 9 PM EST)
Post by: etiolate on June 10, 2014, 09:46:03 PM
Leonard having a good game for the Spurs. If Green/Leonard both have good games then the Heat in trouble.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 3 Tuesday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2014, 09:51:25 PM
I eagerly await Stony's upcoming posts about Spoelstra's lack of "half time adjustments"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 3 Tuesday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2014, 09:58:51 PM
Blowout. I think I'll play some psychonauts.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 3 Tuesday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Your Stalker on June 10, 2014, 10:29:52 PM
they better not choke it away
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 3 Tuesday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Mandark on June 10, 2014, 10:47:06 PM
Some of these Spurs offensive possessions...

 :whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 3 Tuesday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2014, 11:08:08 PM
Tightened up a bit. We'll see what the final quarter brings.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 3 Tuesday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2014, 11:23:57 PM
Leonard has gotten away with quite a few travels. His drives are awkward as fuck.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 3 Tuesday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2014, 11:28:53 PM
Nope. Just not gonna happen tonight for the Heat. On to game 4. Spurs back in the driver's seat.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 3 Tuesday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2014, 11:46:39 PM
Crazy thing is the Heat actually shot well.

Currently at 53 from the field overall. And 50% from 3 point range. They just couldn't stop the juggernaut Spurs offense which shot 60%.

The 20 turnovers from the Heat were also really bad with Lebron coughing up 7 and Wade another 5.

Chalmers was absolutely useless again tonight. 0-5. 2 points. Cole has also not been very good as his backup so the heat are getting absolutely nothing from that position.


Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 3 Tuesday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2014, 11:56:14 PM
Chalmers is trash, he won't be back next year regardless of what happens.

I expect the Heat to bounce back big time in the next game and tie things up. Still think they'll win the series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 4 Thursday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 11, 2014, 09:39:09 AM
That was the most impressive first half of offense I've ever seen. Didn't even watch the 2nd half. Played Hearthstone instead.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 4 Thursday 9 PM EST)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 11, 2014, 10:30:28 AM
I wouldn't count the Heat out, they just need to find a role player that can step up and help them win them a game. That's essentially what happened last year with Haslem/Battier. I just don't think Coles/Lewis are those dudes though.

 

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 4 Thursday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 11, 2014, 11:04:58 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on June 11, 2014, 09:39:09 AM
That was the most impressive first half of offense I've ever seen. Didn't even watch the 2nd half. Played Hearthstone instead.

When the Spurs are clicking they are unlike anything else in basketball. There are no wasted players out on the floor like with every other team. Everybody actually can score or pass at any time so the role players aren't like the role players on the heat or the thunder where they are only out there because they have one specific basketball ability. The system gets the absolute best out of them. If Chalmers were on the Spurs he would be just as dangerous as any of these other Spurs players.

You could argue the Heat got incredibly lucky to beat this Spurs team last year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 4 Thursday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Beezy on June 11, 2014, 11:24:51 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 11, 2014, 11:04:58 AM
You could argue the Heat got incredibly lucky to beat this Spurs team last year.
they did
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 4 Thursday 9 PM EST)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 11, 2014, 12:44:36 PM
What a shit show last night.  Chalmers needs to get got.  Starting five should be Cole, Wade, Bron, Lewis, Bosh.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 4 Thursday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 11, 2014, 06:34:48 PM
http://deadspin.com/can-jason-whitlock-save-espns-black-grantland-from-hi-1586606960
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 4 Thursday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 11, 2014, 06:38:33 PM
Yeah I read that article yesterday.

I've never been a fan of Whitlock's writing. The article goes into some of my issues with him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 4 Thursday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Beezy on June 12, 2014, 12:51:22 AM
http://youtu.be/q9lbAH9ttS4
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 4 Thursday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2014, 10:02:55 PM
Heat are waiting for that Joey Crawford 4th quarter stimulus package.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 4 Thursday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 12, 2014, 10:08:21 PM
Not much to say. Being out-played and I would argue out-coached.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 4 Thursday 9 PM EST)
Post by: bachikarn on June 12, 2014, 10:39:39 PM
some good half time adjustments from Spoelstra
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 4 Thursday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2014, 10:53:48 PM
fuckouttahere with that weak flop shit, Wade.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 4 Thursday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2014, 11:05:59 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/vP3mcli.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 4 Thursday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Your Stalker on June 12, 2014, 11:25:49 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bp-pug3CIAAPkwW.jpg)
dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 4 Thursday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2014, 11:28:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KkrccHEAqg

Diaw putting on a clinic tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 4 Thursday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 12, 2014, 11:33:25 PM
And that's pretty much the series tonight. Spurs offense top notch. Heat defense can't hang. Spurs pretty much showing they have the superior system of basketball currently in the nba.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 5 Sunday 9 PM EST)
Post by: etiolate on June 12, 2014, 11:38:16 PM
If Spurs win this series, how much longer do Duncan and Ginobli hang around?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 5 Sunday 9 PM EST)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 12, 2014, 11:41:35 PM
Not sure I've ever seen an arena this empty during a Finals game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 5 Sunday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2014, 11:46:06 PM
Van Gundy and Jackson arguing about desert v leftovers :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 5 Sunday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Huff on June 12, 2014, 11:53:25 PM
my facebook is awfully quiet

miami played so bad its not even worth trolling all my so fla friends
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 5 Sunday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 12, 2014, 11:57:39 PM
Quote from: Huff on June 12, 2014, 11:53:25 PM
my facebook is awfully quiet

miami played so bad its not even worth trolling all my so fla friends

It's like kicking a dead dog at this point really.


I thought the Sours definitely had a pretty good chance at winning this finals.

I didn't think they would absolutely crush the Heat like they have done.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 5 Sunday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Beezy on June 13, 2014, 12:05:55 AM
The Sours :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 5 Sunday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 13, 2014, 12:15:47 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/eYA9MDk.png)

Heat can't mess with Texas.

(http://i.imgur.com/mhOWLJp.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 5 Sunday 9 PM EST)
Post by: bachikarn on June 13, 2014, 02:31:07 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6awLLLgeYM&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 5 Sunday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 13, 2014, 10:52:49 AM
I can't remember seeing such savage beat downs in a finals series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 5 Sunday 9 PM EST)
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2014, 10:56:35 AM
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/06/12/donald-sterling-hires-private-investigators-to-dig-up-dirt-on-nba-owners-commissioner/

Quote
Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling’s team of lawyers has hired four private investigation firms to dig up dirt on the NBA’s former and current commissioners and its 29 other owners, a person familiar with Sterling’s legal strategy said.

Investigators were given a six-figure budget over the next 30 days to examine the league’s finances, allegations of previous discriminatory conduct and compensation to past Commissioner David Stern and current Commissioner Adam Silver, said the person who spoke to The Associated Press on Thursday night on condition of anonymity. The person wasn’t authorized to talk publicly.

The person said the investigators also are looking into whether other owners made any off-color jokes, or racist or sexist remarks.

“The gloves are off, as they say,” the person said. “Have them dig up all the dirt they can find.”
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 5 Sunday 9 PM EST)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 13, 2014, 11:01:12 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on June 13, 2014, 10:52:49 AM
I can't remember seeing such savage beat downs in a finals series.

Well, the record for combined back-to-back road win margins was 26 before the last two games. Now it's 40.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 5 Sunday 9 PM EST)
Post by: benjipwns on June 14, 2014, 04:29:26 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 13, 2014, 12:27:40 PM
2004?

I don't remember the margins, but I remember Detroit dominated pretty hard.
Quote from: Exodust SoulBurn on June 13, 2014, 12:33:50 PM
Don't remind me  :'(
Best. Series.

 :lawd

Especially going in, all the "Pistons might win one game", after game one "remember 2001 this doesn't mean anything", after game two "now things are back on track, probably a sweep, six games max", etc.

Putting Corliss on Shaq one-on-one  :aah :gladbron :whew :umad
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 5 Sunday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Your Stalker on June 14, 2014, 04:48:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub6sv4Yv2D0
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 5 Sunday 9 PM EST)
Post by: benjipwns on June 15, 2014, 04:10:06 AM
This is a current picture of Antoine Walker:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/20140614_Antoine_Walker_at_the_Nike_Chi-League_%281%29.JPG/400px-20140614_Antoine_Walker_at_the_Nike_Chi-League_%281%29.JPG)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 5 Sunday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 15, 2014, 08:41:56 PM
First game where Heat didn't play an absolute shit first quarter. (Of course Lebron had to score like 17 for that to be the case) But I feel like we are just delaying the inevitable. Whether it comes in this game or the next.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 5 Sunday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 15, 2014, 09:09:42 PM
So instead they have an absolutely shit second quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 5 Sunday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 15, 2014, 09:19:39 PM
Quote
"We're not going down. We're going to win this game tonight," Bosh said Sunday. "We're going to come. We prepare like we need to do. Plain and simple, we're going to win this game."

Asked if he was guaranteeing a victory, Bosh said: "I don't care about guarantees. We're just going to win the game."

Bosh at the half. 4 points. 2 of 6 from the field. Way to Joe Namath it there Bosh.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 5 Sunday 9 PM EST)
Post by: bachikarn on June 15, 2014, 09:49:45 PM
So how does Miami re-tool for next year? Clearly their record was inflated this year because of the shitty Eastern conference right?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 5 Sunday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 15, 2014, 09:55:22 PM
It all depends on how Bosh, Wade, Lebron, rework their contracts. Clearly the team needs to upgrade at certain positions. But you won't know how much flexibility they have until that issue is resolved. If they simply just let the current contracts roll that's 20 million a piece from all three.

The reality is that Wade and Bosh are not 20 million dollars players. So that's going to hamper any upgrade attempts from the jump.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 5 Sunday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 15, 2014, 10:13:59 PM
This game is effectively over so might as well gets all the housekeeping stuff out of the way.

Congrats to the Spurs. They knocked off the best two players in the world in back to back series. They put together a team that played basketball the right way and a very beautiful way. They are not a team cobbled together around a great player or two like the modern championship paradigm has been established. Duncan with 5 titles assumes the mantle of biggest winner of his generation. Popovich adds to his legend and does it without a Michael Jordan, Lebron, Kobe type player like his old rival Phil Jackson. Spurs have an amazing dynasty and they disprove all the notions that it takes a big market team, with the best players in the league to do it.

As for the Heat, they have a lot of work in front of them. Wade isn't Wade anymore. I've never thought Bosh was anything overly special. Which is not to insult him and say he is a crap player. He is a good player. But I think a lot of "good" players could have filled the 3rd slot in Miami and some arguably would have been better. Not sure what Lebron does here as staying is the easy thing to do but I actually don't think it may be the smart decision with Wade declining like he is.

And I'll take my final shots at Spoelstra like I always do. I thought the Thunder played the Spurs much better than the Heat. And people want to toss Brooks into a fire. The Heat just got humiliated by the Spurs. So yeah....Spoelstra.

Yes basketball is matchups. And some matchups are worse than others. But take a look at Rick Carlisle. His mavs took the Spurs to 7 games. Does anybody doubt that if he was coaching a team with the talent of the Heat, that they wouldn't get so easily rolled like this. Or that the brand of basketball Miami plays would be more fundamentally sound. To me that's the difference between an average coach and a great coach. A great coach when given the pieces creates a dynasty. Spolestra has done what I think a lot of average nba coaches would have done with this talent level.

Also Miami completely and utterly whiffed in the free-agent market this year in an embarrassing way. Their big moves were letting Mike Miller walk (amnesty). And signing Beasley, and Oden. 

 :kobeyuck


end rant.

Congrats Spurs.
 


Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 5 Sunday 9 PM EST)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 15, 2014, 10:16:52 PM
Even the Mavericks played the Spurs better than the Heat have. :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs versus Heat-Game 5 Sunday 9 PM EST)
Post by: benjipwns on June 15, 2014, 10:22:19 PM
LeBron just isn't a winner and doesn't even try in important games, Skip Bayless called it years ago.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 15, 2014, 10:27:50 PM
This is what happens when you play lazy defense. The Heat are missing so many transitions.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: El Babua on June 15, 2014, 10:44:44 PM
GG San Antonio

Heat were straight  :flabbypd all series
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: Your Stalker on June 15, 2014, 10:46:29 PM
this is a monumental day in american history
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: benjipwns on June 15, 2014, 10:56:55 PM
The Spurs liberated us from an evil regime in 2003, now they do it again in 2014.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: etiolate on June 15, 2014, 10:59:53 PM
Spurs :bow

I expect to hear a lot of "we should build like San Antonio" talk in spite of the fact you cant' do that without Tim Duncan. And Tim Duncan is really, really rare. Not a lot of supserstar players are 1. Two Way players, 2. Willing to stay in a small market, 3. Willing to take less in a smaller market to build a team, and 4. Willing to test out a reload/rebuild as the Spurs have done when Robinson retired and other important pieces aged.

I will delight in people talking about how Miami should copy SA's design as though the entire team is anything but get rich quick ring chasers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: benjipwns on June 15, 2014, 11:20:10 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/OdO0svk.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 15, 2014, 11:23:10 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 15, 2014, 11:20:10 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/OdO0svk.jpg)

 :hump
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 15, 2014, 11:25:16 PM
Miami would be stupid to waste offseason money signing Melo, even if it's a "bargain" deal. They need players, not one guy who plays the same position as LeBron. Mike Miller may have helped a bit this year but at the end of the day he's still old and slow. They need to get some young shooters around LeBron. And a fucking point guard.

I've never hated Bosh but good lord, seeing him camp on the three point line was pathetic.

Wade isn't the player he used to be but that doesn't excuse his horrible defense. He gives up on plays, doesn't get back on transition, doesn't stick to his man through screens, etc.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 15, 2014, 11:42:49 PM
:bow Kawaii Leonard :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: benjipwns on June 15, 2014, 11:56:27 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqOOYpDCAAELSqc.jpg:large)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 16, 2014, 12:17:55 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 15, 2014, 11:20:10 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/OdO0svk.jpg)

lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 16, 2014, 12:22:03 AM
The best team of the year won.  Can't be mad at that.  Hopefully Miami makes some changes this offseason to clear their bench and get some decent role players other than Allen.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 16, 2014, 12:26:34 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 15, 2014, 11:52:02 PM
Hopefully this can begin the healing process for the league.
Doesn't the League want LeBron to win these chips though? The aughts were one of the worst decades commercially for the NBA, due in no small part to the Spurs' success. Not to mention if this Heat team can't compete at a high level, who the fuck is coming out of the East?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: benjipwns on June 16, 2014, 12:28:43 AM
ESPN wrote all these before the playoffs and then updated them as they went along, but here's their Heat "fixes" they just posted:
Quote
IV. An "Ideal" Roster
Ideal 2014-15 roster
Pos   Player   Age   2015 Salary   2015 WARP
C   Chris Bosh   31   $13.8m   7.6
PG   Mario Chalmers   29   $2.7m   2.7
SG   Vince Carter   38   $0.9m   3.9
SF   Carmelo Anthony   31   $13.8m   11.1
PF   LeBron James   30   $13.8m   21.1
bC   Chris Andersen   37   $0.9m   4.4
bPG   Norris Cole   27   $2.0m   -3.4
bSG   Dwyane Wade   33   $13.8m   6.5
bSF   James Jones   35   $0.9m   1.2
bPF   Rashard Lewis   36   $0.9m   0.3
RES1   Udonis Haslem   35   $0.9m   -1.0
RES2   Shabazz Napier   24   $1.0m   -0.7
Est. Payroll: $65.2 million; Updated Win Range: 61 to 65
Notes: Est. Payroll includes built-in minimum salary slots beyond top 12 on roster; Updated Win Baseline includes a coaching adjustment.

Doolittle: Right now, the "what-if" on everybody's mind is the Melo-to-the-Heat scenario. Amin already crunched the numbers financially, so I decided to go with that as the starting point for a new Big Four era. We'll go with Amin's "Even Steven" option, which divvies up Miami's possible cap space evenly among the four stars. Obviously, this would take more than a little collusion on the part of the players involved, but we're more interested in how it translates on the court right now, roughly speaking.

With the Big Four in place, they'd join returnee Cole, who is under contract for next season. I've also assumed Miami keeps its first-round pick, and I have them taking Chad Ford's anticipated target, Connecticut's Shabazz Napier. Basically everything else on the season-ending Miami roster gets renounced. I can see James Jones, Rashard Lewis and Udonis Haslem -- who as Amin pointed out would have to agree to decline his player option for 2014-15 -- coming back for the veteran's minimum. I have Andersen coming back again for the minimum, but that could be a stretch. He's worth more. I don't see the same happening for Chalmers or Allen.

The final three rotation spots would have be filled with the room exception -- which I've given to Chalmers because he'll probably be the best free-agent option to fill the point guard slot -- and one more minimum salaried free agent. The latter player could be a starter, as it would not surprise me to see Wade shifted into a Manu Ginobili-like super-sub role. If Vince Carter wants to ring chase, tag-teaming with Wade might be a great option for him.

All in all, the baseline looks great, though the real world results would be less, and offer a lot of downside when you consider defensive shortcomings and the age of the foundation players. The final payroll is well under the tax line, which is an inevitable by-product of putting the new roster together with cap space. However going forward, beginning in 2015, Miami would have the full mid-level exception available for further roster improvements. I have my concerns about how Anthony would fit as a supporting player, though my guess is he would probably lead Miami in scoring, while James' assist total skyrockets. Would that translate to wins? It'd be a fascinating experiment. On the other hand, defense would be a much bigger problem than what is represented here. In any event, with so many moving parts, Miami's reload is as much an exercise in fantasy as any team in the league.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: benjipwns on June 16, 2014, 12:41:12 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/QkqZd.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: etiolate on June 16, 2014, 12:46:36 AM
I have no issue with Bosh on the Heat. His sitting at the 3pt line is by design. He's a big man on a team that doesn't want any big men much at all, and certainly doesn't want  a big clogging the lane on offense for Bron/Wade, but at this point the Heat gotta realize that Wade needs to be their Jason Terry instead of their third star.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 16, 2014, 01:04:52 AM
The Heat have played their best when they play Bosh at 4 and a random large body at 5.  Birdman works, but a better center wouldn't be terrible.

Really, though the Heat need several things.  Not necessarily all of them at once, but a few good things would be:

a) A competent point guard.  Chalmers is hot fucking garbage, and Cole is only good on limited minutes.  I would NOT sign Melo or Love if I were Miami...I'd try and get Lowry if I were Miami.  Dump Chalmers and some picks.

b) Solid bench players.  Their bench other than Allen and Cole were awful in these playoffs.  The bench is just too old.  I'd look towards Meeks, Sefolosha, Jordan Hill, McBob...maybe even Mike Miller if they can swing that.

c) A true center.  Doesn't need to be a starter, but someone who scores efficiently and can swallow up offensive boards.  Monroe or Gortat would be great pickups.

Really, they SHOULD NOT sign another max SF/PF player.  They need a starting 1, a good 6th man, and a center to play for Bosh so Bosh can play 4.

My fantasy starting 5 would be:

Lowry, Wade, Lebron, Bosh, Gortat
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: etiolate on June 16, 2014, 01:09:25 AM
Oh, this also reminds me how Geoff Petrie and the Maloofs picked Jimmer Freddette over Kawhi Leonard.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 16, 2014, 01:10:11 AM
Jimmer was a college superstar.  Can you really blame them?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: etiolate on June 16, 2014, 01:11:54 AM
Yes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 16, 2014, 01:14:47 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 16, 2014, 12:28:43 AM
ESPN wrote all these before the playoffs and then updated them as they went along, but here's their Heat "fixes" they just posted:
Quote
IV. An "Ideal" Roster
Ideal 2014-15 roster
Pos   Player   Age   2015 Salary   2015 WARP
C   Chris Bosh   31   $13.8m   7.6
PG   Mario Chalmers   29   $2.7m   2.7
SG   Vince Carter   38   $0.9m   3.9
SF   Carmelo Anthony   31   $13.8m   11.1
PF   LeBron James   30   $13.8m   21.1
bC   Chris Andersen   37   $0.9m   4.4
bPG   Norris Cole   27   $2.0m   -3.4
bSG   Dwyane Wade   33   $13.8m   6.5
bSF   James Jones   35   $0.9m   1.2
bPF   Rashard Lewis   36   $0.9m   0.3
RES1   Udonis Haslem   35   $0.9m   -1.0
RES2   Shabazz Napier   24   $1.0m   -0.7
Est. Payroll: $65.2 million; Updated Win Range: 61 to 65
Notes: Est. Payroll includes built-in minimum salary slots beyond top 12 on roster; Updated Win Baseline includes a coaching adjustment.

Doolittle: Right now, the "what-if" on everybody's mind is the Melo-to-the-Heat scenario. Amin already crunched the numbers financially, so I decided to go with that as the starting point for a new Big Four era. We'll go with Amin's "Even Steven" option, which divvies up Miami's possible cap space evenly among the four stars. Obviously, this would take more than a little collusion on the part of the players involved, but we're more interested in how it translates on the court right now, roughly speaking.

With the Big Four in place, they'd join returnee Cole, who is under contract for next season. I've also assumed Miami keeps its first-round pick, and I have them taking Chad Ford's anticipated target, Connecticut's Shabazz Napier. Basically everything else on the season-ending Miami roster gets renounced. I can see James Jones, Rashard Lewis and Udonis Haslem -- who as Amin pointed out would have to agree to decline his player option for 2014-15 -- coming back for the veteran's minimum. I have Andersen coming back again for the minimum, but that could be a stretch. He's worth more. I don't see the same happening for Chalmers or Allen.

The final three rotation spots would have be filled with the room exception -- which I've given to Chalmers because he'll probably be the best free-agent option to fill the point guard slot -- and one more minimum salaried free agent. The latter player could be a starter, as it would not surprise me to see Wade shifted into a Manu Ginobili-like super-sub role. If Vince Carter wants to ring chase, tag-teaming with Wade might be a great option for him.

All in all, the baseline looks great, though the real world results would be less, and offer a lot of downside when you consider defensive shortcomings and the age of the foundation players. The final payroll is well under the tax line, which is an inevitable by-product of putting the new roster together with cap space. However going forward, beginning in 2015, Miami would have the full mid-level exception available for further roster improvements. I have my concerns about how Anthony would fit as a supporting player, though my guess is he would probably lead Miami in scoring, while James' assist total skyrockets. Would that translate to wins? It'd be a fascinating experiment. On the other hand, defense would be a much bigger problem than what is represented here. In any event, with so many moving parts, Miami's reload is as much an exercise in fantasy as any team in the league.

Shabazz Napier will be off the board before 26.

I don't see how that roster fixes anything. Adding more old players to an already old roster isn't good, and who knows how Anthony will play with LeBron...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: Your Stalker on June 16, 2014, 02:53:36 AM
(http://i6.minus.com/jbr4TI6feopdkl.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBQ2mjkvYY8
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: benjipwns on June 16, 2014, 03:06:05 AM
I always have a good rant about the whole "who won a trade" thing ready. But to keep it short the teams swapped players and both benefited. Hill has been really good for the Pacers most of the time as they've racked up wins and playoff runs and Leonard has been a key piece for the Spurs doing the same. Pop loved Hill and hated to deal him but thought Leonard was a bit better piece, which turned out to probably be true. But it's not like Hill died after that.

And the problem with these hypotheticals are if the Pacers have Granger, George, Leonard, Stephenson, what's their lineup look like now? And who's the other guard? Obviously at the time the Pacers didn't know Granger was a bit done (though dealing him for Turner still was bad) or that Stephenson would get it together enough. You can see why they're willing to deal Leonard for a good defensive big point guard. (And keep him after Collison didn't fit at all.)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: Mandark on June 16, 2014, 03:18:47 AM
Yeah, there were roster considerations, and you can't build a counterfactual just by swapping back the players that they've become three years later.  "What if the Pacers had Leonard instead of Hill?"  Well, it would have affected their subsequent roster moves, so more than one player would be different.

That said, I think there's a pretty good chance the Pacers of NBA Prime who drafted and kept Kawhi are in a better spot than the ones in our universe.  He's making like 5-6 million less a year, PG is one of the easier positions to fill, and good God could you imagine the wing defense with him and Paul George?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: benjipwns on June 16, 2014, 03:46:17 AM
I suppose if Stephenson developed at the same rate you could play him with Leonard and George and not be too poorly off in terms of offensively, and still be a terror defensively. The ball handling stats I have on the players say Lance isn't too far off from Hill. They run a lot of the half court "offense" through West anyway so you could have Stephenson and George take turns bringing it up.

Actually with Leonard you can probably get away with a "small" lineup with him, Granger, George and Stephenson at times.  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 16, 2014, 10:31:56 AM
Imagine LeBron as a Jimmy Graham TE/WR hybrid
:rejoice

pairing up alongside Megatron
:rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 16, 2014, 01:39:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRzHmRawK7I
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 16, 2014, 02:07:17 PM
http://regressing.deadspin.com/the-spurs-were-the-most-dominant-nba-finals-team-ever-1591414322/+kylenw

(http://i.imgur.com/4NneqFT.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 16, 2014, 02:07:38 PM
Quote
At some point around the time Dwyane Wade was impaled, for the second time, on a doddering walkabout turnover in the paint, the wider basketball-viewing world realized that Dwyane Wade has been dead all this time, and was only now being told. But Wade was far from the only Heat carcass to wash up these Finals.

Here's how bad it was: Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh combined to post a game score of 18.5 (7.9 and 10.6, respectively). In 2007, when LeBron and the Cavs were swept by the Spurs, Drew Gooden and Boobie Gibson combined for 17.5. This is not flattering company, obviously. If you expand to the teams' top seven non-LeBron rotational players, the '07 Cavs actually pull ahead, with a combined Game Score of 42.2 to the '14 Heat's 36.2. (The average cumulative game score average for the numbers 2 through 8 players in a Finals is 47, because generally, teams in the Finals are good. The Spurs 2 through 8 combined for 66.) Which is to say, LeBron had more help in the Finals in 2007 than he did this year.

LeBron's series average of 22.5 was more than twice as good as it was in 2007 (10.6), and higher than the average for the best player on a winning Finals team (20.6). Anyone watching could tell that the Heat were a one-man team, in a way completely at odds with how this team was supposed to work. Game Score is not the be-all, obviously—it's a combination of box score stats and shooting efficiency invented by John Hollinger—but it serves just fine as a broad indicator of something that we all watched for ourselves.

All of this comes on top of the fact that in five games, the Spurs outscored the Heat by 70 points—more than in any NBA Finals matchup in history. The Heat were completely outgunned, and even leaning heavily on Ray Allen, or bringing out Shane Battier and Udonis Haslem, who were ostensibly in reserve for emergency use, didn't move the needle. Which brings us to another point: This year's Heat were never a superteam.

http://regressing.deadspin.com/the-2014-heat-were-worse-in-the-finals-than-lebrons-200-1591454897/+kylenw
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 16, 2014, 02:08:41 PM
lol. we posted those within seconds of each other.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: benjipwns on June 16, 2014, 04:31:23 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqRgoHGCIAAmXu-.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 16, 2014, 04:53:24 PM
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/31-10-5-thank-you-lebron-james-for-another-brilliant-season-and-playoff-run.223383/
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 16, 2014, 05:25:22 PM
lul no
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: benjipwns on June 16, 2014, 05:50:11 PM
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Bono For Pope
This is very unsettling. The order of things has been upended, and I think this is why LeBron is getting a lot of grief. The star system has failed and people are upset and taking it out on him. A lot of this is valid criticism and a good deal is not. There are three reasons why LeBron is being overhated:
1) He is the best player in basketball and his team lost. It comes with the territory.
2) The NBA is a star league. The fans are geared to the great man theory and the Spurs have demolished that. None of the Spurs players act like a Star. I think this has many fans uncomfortable with this. The normal rules do not apply. Tim Duncan might be the greatest PF in the history of the game. He might be the greatest player in the history of the game, but he is not a star.
3) We expect one star to carry a team. Even though Michael, Larry, and Kobe had 50 point games, often these were during losses or regular season games. The truth is the leader carries his teams by scoring 30 plus and making everybody else on the floor better. Michael didn't win until he got Scotty and two NBA Championships were due to last second shots by John Paxson and Steve Kerr. Can I coin/trademark that phrase "overhated?"
:jawalrus
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: benjipwns on June 17, 2014, 03:11:17 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFXsntujvZA
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: etiolate on June 17, 2014, 05:21:36 AM
hey whats old nbagaf's new home site again? I lost it when I cleared up my cache and history.

nm found it
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: benjipwns on June 17, 2014, 03:27:16 PM
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2014/0616/in_perdts_576x324.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 17, 2014, 06:47:21 PM
Quote from: etiolate on June 17, 2014, 05:21:36 AM
hey whats old nbagaf's new home site again? I lost it when I cleared up my cache and history.

nm found it
Actually I was just wondering this (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/lupe1.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Spurs are the Champs. Basketball the right way prevails)
Post by: Your Stalker on June 17, 2014, 06:48:26 PM
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 18, 2014, 06:56:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y02r-Dz5cMw

what a shitty offense...that's on Spoelstra...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 18, 2014, 07:55:02 PM
My poops are a little poopier, too
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 18, 2014, 07:56:24 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 18, 2014, 06:56:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y02r-Dz5cMw

what a shitty offense...that's on Spoelstra...

There was a long stretch last season where the offense actually looked pretty good. A lot of good passing. People doing the right thing. But overall the offense on a consistent basis over the last 4 years never clicked the way it should have with as much talent as they had imo. This is a team that survived on big runs and clamping down in the 4th quarter. Not playing consistent basketball.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: etiolate on June 18, 2014, 08:42:45 PM
(http://media.giphy.com/media/TTgdzuXtaN5pMJ94L3W/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 18, 2014, 08:48:11 PM
Sounds like everyone is coming back on the Spurs. I guess Leonard will be the man next season, with Duncan and Ginobli continuing to have their minutes regulated by Pop. IMO Leonard has to work on his ball handling - his drives were ugly as fuck, he got away with walks, etc.

Who are some FAs that they, or any team tbh, might target? Role players, not the Carmelos of the world.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 18, 2014, 08:59:05 PM
Lowry is the biggest PG probably...but there's Robinson, Collison, Sessions, Bradley, Bledsoe, Hinrich, few others

http://en.hispanosnba.com/transactions/nba-free-agents (http://en.hispanosnba.com/transactions/nba-free-agents)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: etiolate on June 18, 2014, 09:01:54 PM
I don't know what sort of cap space the Spurs have. There's some older FAs that would fit in well there like Pau Gasol, but I am not sure what direction the Spurs will go. Greg Monroe would fit their system. Guys like Ariza and Isaiah Thomas are upper tier role players, 6th man types. I could see Alan Anderson on the Spurs next year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Mandark on June 18, 2014, 11:09:11 PM
If the Spurs bring back Diaw and Mills, then they'll only really have the mid-level exception to work with.  If they want to bring in someone more expensive they'd probably have to renounced Diaw's rights or ship off a couple of their end-of-bench guys like Corey Joseph without taking anything back.

I think they try to keep the gang together through next year at least and see how it goes from there.  Right now Splitter's the only player signed past 2015.

Miami's interesting because they're probably too old to keep playing the type of basketball, especially on defense, that they've been playing the last few years.  Small lineups with a lot of trapping, double-teaming, and weakside help is harder to pull off with an older roster, and even if it's effective it's a pretty grinding way to go through the regular season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2014, 04:31:54 AM
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Full WARP Projections
Rank   Name   Pos   From   Win%   WARP
6   Marcus Smart   PG   Oklahoma State   .512   3.6
27   Clint Capela   PF   Switzerland   .497   3.4
19   Jusuf Nurkic   C   Bosnia   .490   3.3
4   Dante Exum   PG   Australia   .468   3.3
42   Nikola Jokic   C   Serbia   .468   3.1
29   Jordan Adams   SG   UCLA   .480   3.0
2   Joel Embiid   C   Kansas   .480   2.9
3   Jabari Parker   F   Duke   .444   2.5
5   Noah Vonleh   PF   Indiana   .430   2.4
76   Javon McCrea   PF   Buffalo   .482   2.2
25   P.J. Hairston   SG   North Carolina   .469   2.0
16   Tyler Ennis   PG   Syracuse   .432   2.0
10   Gary Harris   SG   Michigan State   .428   1.9
21   Jarnell Stokes   PF   Tennessee   .441   1.9
12   Doug McDermott   F   Creighton   .480   1.8
7   Aaron Gordon   PF   Arizona   .396   1.7
8   Julius Randle   PF   Kentucky   .412   1.6
26   Kyle Anderson   SF   UCLA   .442   1.5
24   K.J. McDaniels   SF   Clemson   .445   1.5
55   Khem Birch   P   UNLV   .451   1.5
9   Dario Saric   F   Croatia   .415   1.4
1   Andrew Wiggins   SF   Kansas   .392   1.3
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Momo on June 19, 2014, 02:45:46 PM
I want to try watching basketball again next season, the last time I watched was when penny hardaway, grant and shaq were together at the Orlando Magic. They were always my fav team, do they still exist?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: etiolate on June 19, 2014, 02:46:33 PM
Well, the Magic still exist.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Momo on June 19, 2014, 03:07:17 PM
I just looked at their lineup, I know no-one. I dont know what I was expecting.

When I used to watch there were players like Payton, Kemp, Stockton, Malone, Ewing, Pippen, Jordan, Rodman, Duncan (boy he's been around long), Shaq, Robinson, Olijowon (fuck i cant spell this), Drexler, Barkley, Miller, Grant Hill (or was Tyrone the good one?), KJ, Magic, Ceballos, Strickland etc, not even counting all the good rookies like Stoudamire, Garnett and the like rising up, what I'm saying is there seemed to be an immense amount of talent, but these days all I hear is Kobe and or Lebron (like after Shaq retired). Is the level and diversity in talent still comparable?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: etiolate on June 19, 2014, 03:13:59 PM
Jordan owns the Hornets. Payton works for NBA Tv... sometimes. Kemp has children to feed. Stockton and Malone are fishing like its the playoffs 24/7. Rodman is in North korea. Pippen works for the Bulls while fighting off lawsuits. Hakeem teaches all the young centers that they got no post moves.  Barkley is the NBA's Oprah. Reggie Miller annoys people on broadcasts. Kevin Johnson is a mayor. Magic can't go to Clipper games. Rod Strickland works ofr Kentucky. Shaq owns part of a team and takes up two chairs on TNT.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Momo on June 19, 2014, 03:16:51 PM
lol well obviously they are all (Duncan and maybe Stoudamire apart) fat fucks now, I just mean to ask if there are still that many standout players to look out for, or is it like literally Lebron and Kobe now?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: etiolate on June 19, 2014, 03:22:18 PM
Kobe can barely walk. There's always young talent though.

Guys in their prime are Lebron, Carmelo and Durant. You also have Kevin Love, Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul, Chris Bosh, James Harden, Derrick Rose (when healthy) and Dwight Howard. You have really young guys like Kyrie Irving, Demarcus Cousins, John Wall, Blake Griffin, Steph Curry. Paul George and Anthony Davis.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 19, 2014, 03:22:46 PM
Quote from: Momo on June 19, 2014, 03:16:51 PM
lol well obviously they are all (Duncan and maybe Stoudamire apart) fat fucks now, I just mean to ask if there are still that many standout players to look out for, or is it like literally Lebron and Kobe now?

Kobe is in the Jordan on the Wizards phase of his career, no need to bring him into this conversation anymore.

Quote from: etiolate on June 19, 2014, 03:22:18 PM
Kobe can barely walk. There's always young talent though.

Guys in their prime are Lebron, Carmelo and Durant. You also have Kevin Love, Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul, Chris Bosh, James Harden, Derrick Rose (when healthy) and Dwight Howard. You have really young guys like Kyrie Irving, Demarcus Cousins, John Wall, Blake Griffin, Steph Curry and Anthony Davis.

DIRK
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: etiolate on June 19, 2014, 03:24:21 PM
Forgot abotu Dirk. He's borderline "legend on his way out" You got Kobe, Nash and Duncan who really are on their last years, and then you got a guy like Dirk who is getting close to that range, You could probably put Wade here, too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Momo on June 19, 2014, 03:26:52 PM
I liked Wizards Jordan, that baseball failure stench, expanded waistline, gassed after 5 minutes look was something that soothed me as a non Bulls fan during all those years he styled on my favorite team lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Momo on June 19, 2014, 03:28:51 PM
Steve Nash still plays? Only South African I ever recall being int he NBA. But Jesus that fucker must be ancient by now
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2014, 03:30:04 PM
Quote from: Momo on June 19, 2014, 03:16:51 PM
lol well obviously they are all (Duncan and maybe Stoudamire apart) fat fucks now, I just mean to ask if there are still that many standout players to look out for, or is it like literally Lebron and Kobe now?

There are lots of standout players. But Lebron, Kevin Durant, and a small circle of others will always draw the most media attention because of how good they are and how well marketed they are, and tv exposure.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Kara on June 19, 2014, 03:35:13 PM
Quote from: Momo on June 19, 2014, 03:26:52 PM
I liked Wizards Jordan, that baseball failure stench, expanded waistline, gassed after 5 minutes look was something that soothed me as a non Bulls fan during all those years he styled on my favorite team lol

 :mynicca

e: Steve Nash doesn't really "play" but he gets paid to play regardless. Dude is a straight up thief.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 19, 2014, 03:44:10 PM
Quote from: Momo on June 19, 2014, 03:28:51 PM
Steve Nash still plays? Only South African I ever recall being int he NBA. But Jesus that fucker must be ancient by now

He's "playing" on the same team as Kobe. :heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: etiolate on June 19, 2014, 05:18:49 PM
Embiid hurt his foot. Cavs will find a way to screw up top pick again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2014, 10:04:04 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqgMxEpIQAAf5na.jpg:large)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 19, 2014, 10:41:39 PM
I personally love them.  Wish there was a pin-stripe version though
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 20, 2014, 12:02:02 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 19, 2014, 10:41:39 PM
I personally love them.  Wish there was a pin-stripe version though

Without the pinstripe they are not as good as they could be.

(http://oliverbigapple.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/hornets-lj-chris-paul.jpg)

If they are going this far they should go all the way.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2014, 12:07:58 AM
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Thompson's father, Mychal, himself a former No. 1 overall pick in the NBA Draft and now a radio analyst on Los Angeles Lakers broadcasts, said Thursday on ESPN LA 710 AM that the Warriors and Wolves have been discussing a deal in which Golden State would also receive Martin from Minnesota in addition to Love for Klay Thompson, Lee and a future first. The Warriors do not have a first-round in next week's draft.

ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard reported Thursday that the Nuggets are offering Kenneth Faried, Wilson Chandler and the No. 11 pick for Love and Martin, but it remains unclear whether Love would be willing to sign a long-term deal with the Nuggets.

Boston, meanwhile, is a destination that holds some appeal to Love, but the strength of the Celtics' offer is their reported willingness to surrender two first-rounders in Thursday's draft (No. 6 and No. 7) in addition to a veteran such as Jeff Green or a younger player such as Kelly Olynyk and Jared Sullinger. Many rival teams believes Saunders wants players in return for Love who can produce right away.

ESPN.com reported last month that Golden State and Chicago were two destinations that greatly interest Love, who will undeniably have some say in where he winds up because he has the right to become a free agent in July 2015. But sources say that the Bulls appear to more focused on trying to find a way to acquire New York Knicks star Carmelo Anthony rather than pursuing Love. Anthony has until Monday to decide whether to opt in or out of the final season on his current Knicks contract valued at $23.3 million.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Kara on June 20, 2014, 12:08:27 AM
THE RETURN OF TEAL  :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Beezy on June 20, 2014, 01:42:28 AM
It's 2014. Fuck pinstripes. The new jerseys look great.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Momo on June 20, 2014, 01:49:56 AM
I remember mugsy bogues
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 20, 2014, 10:14:56 AM
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Joel Embiid has fractured foot

Joel Embiid, who was considered the front-runner to be the No. 1 overall pick in the NBA draft, will undergo surgery for a stress fracture in his right foot Friday, his agent confirmed in a statement.

"Joel Embiid suffered a stress fracture to the navicular bone in his right foot," Arn Tellem said Thursday. "He is scheduled to have surgery tomorrow. Joel will be unable to participate in any additional workouts, and will not attend the draft in New York. We will have no further comment until after the surgery."

Tellem told ESPN's Andy Katz earlier Thursday that Embiid suffered the injury sometime over the last few days.

Embiid is not attending the draft because he can't fly for 10 days to two weeks post-surgery, Tellem told Katz. The draft is next Thursday.

Embiid was scheduled to work out for the Milwaukee Bucks, who hold the second overall pick, later this week.

The 7-foot native of Cameroon was already dealing with health questions regarding his back, which forced him to miss the Big 12 and NCAA tournaments.

He worked out earlier this month for the Cleveland Cavaliers, who have the No. 1 overall pick in the draft, and sources said he fared well and that the medical testing also came back without much concern.

Embiid also participated in a one-on-none workout in front of NBA teams in Santa Monica, California.

Embiid averaged 11.2 points, 8.1 rebounds and 2.6 blocks this past season as a freshman at Kansas.

Cleveland could also opt to select Duke freshman Jabari Parker or Kansas wing Andrew Wiggins with the No. 1 overall pick.
http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2014/story/_/id/11107087/joel-embiid-suffers-foot-injury-prior-nba-draft

So who is gonna fuck up their draft next week.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2014, 11:25:03 AM
Honestly, I'd still take him in the top five. It's a really good draft but he seems like the only one who's upside is superstar level instead of All-Star level.

Then again, I'm not an NBA GM so I don't have to worry about how I'll lose my job in two years because all the pieces I've assembled need four years to come together right.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 20, 2014, 11:40:38 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 20, 2014, 11:25:03 AM
Honestly, I'd still take him in the top five. It's a really good draft but he seems like the only one who's upside is superstar level instead of All-Star level.

Then again, I'm not an NBA GM so I don't have to worry about how I'll lose my job in two years because all the pieces I've assembled need four years to come together right.

Moreso than Parker? Embiid looked really good when he was healthy, and he seemed to have fewer growing pains than Wiggins; when was the last time a team had two players who were top 3 draft prospects? Still the multiple injury issues would convince me to go with Parker or Wiggins. And while he has some health concerns too...I think he'll be fine whereas Emdiid gives me Oden vibes.

I think Julius Randle could be the best or second best player taken in the top 10.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2014, 11:50:10 AM
For some reason Parker seems like there's a good chance he's the next Glenn Robinson. But I also thought that about Melo so what do I know. He would be my second choice though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2014, 01:58:43 AM
For more evidence I don't ever know what I'm talking about:
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Joel Embiid, one of the top prospects for next week's NBA draft, had two screws inserted into his foot during surgery Friday morning, and a source told ESPN.com's Andy Katz that he will need four to six months to fully recover.

Embiid's agent, Arn Tellem, said in a statement that the former Kansas star underwent the procedure at Southern California Orthopedic Institute.

The surgeon, Dr. Richard Ferkel, said that Embiid "tolerated the surgery without difficulty" and claimed that the 7-foot center should "be able to return to NBA basketball."

"Two screws were inserted into the navicular bone in Joel Embiid's right foot," Ferkel said in the statement released by Tellem. "The surgery went very well and I'm confident that after appropriate healing he will be able to return to NBA Basketball. Joel tolerated the surgery without difficulty and will begin his rehabilitation in the near future."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 21, 2014, 02:03:21 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 20, 2014, 11:50:10 AM
For some reason Parker seems like there's a good chance he's the next Glenn Robinson. But I also thought that about Melo so what do I know. He would be my second choice though.

I don't really follow college bball anymore so all these guys are new to me.

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NBA Comparison: Carmelo Anthony
Strengths: Parker is on another level from his peers, skill wise ... Very strong, bulky forward with elite level face up game for his age ... An underrated athlete; Parker plays a smooth, if not overpowering brand of ball, and is more likely to muscle through opponents than blow by them ... Possesses very good hands ... Shows the ability to grasp nuances of the game ... Has a passion for basketball, and this comes out in his play ... A la Paul Pierce, is especially good at step back jumper, and can do it in both directions ... Creates a ton of separation with his step back ... Can go to work in the post, especially against smaller and weaker defenders ... Will likely be developed as a small forward in the NBA, where he will immediately become one of the largest and strongest at this position ... Work ethic is phenomenal ... Really wants to be a leader; wants to be great ... Even in high school, practiced with the focus of a pro ... Has been a winner every step of the way of his career; won four straight Illinois State Titles in high school ... Can create for teammates thanks to his high basketball IQ and overall play making ability ... Commands so much attention from opposing defenses that teammates will find themselves with more opportunities to receive the ball in a position to score with him on the floor ... Can finish with both hands around the hoop ... Solid, but not great ability to knock down the NBA 3-ball ... Had some impressive dunks in his freshman season at Duke, which proved that he does possess the hops and explosiveness that he often does not get credit for ... Also showed surprising body control and ball handling, weaving through defenders for finishes at the rim in the open floor ...

Weaknesses: Defense and position are the two biggest questions with Parker ... Some wonder whether he is quick enough to guard on the perimeter, or if he is long enough to defend the post ... Has been given the "tweener" label that no draft prospect wants associated with his name ... Appears to carry some extra "baby fat" ... Somewhat slow release on the jumper, and it has a hitch; may need to tweak release to improve scoring opportunities against athletic defenders who match his size ... Can he expand his range to be a reliable 3-point shooter? ... Was asked to play in the post defensively for Duke, which may lead to an even bigger learning curve for Parker as he improves his understanding of how to guard wings in the NBA ... Not a particularly crafty defender; surprising given how intelligent an offensive player he is ...

Notes: A Mormon, and has not yet done a Mormon mission ... Had considered delaying his college career to do the mission, but obviously opted to play ball ... Some conspiracy theorists wonder if he gets drafted by a team that he does not want to play for, whether he threatens to hold out on signing a contract and instead go on a mission. But this is definitely more speculative than a likely scenario at this point ... Did not participate in the 2014 Draft Combine, given that he is already a consensus top 3 pick ... Is an elite talent, and has been considered as such since his early high-school days ... USBWA National Freshman of the Year award winner for his stellar 2013-14 campaign as a Duke Blue Devil ... Had a successful freshman season at Duke, although the team disappointed in the NCAA Tournament, losing to 14 seed Mercer in the first round ...

Drew Wolin 6/14/14

Strengths: First and foremost, Parker is already a good physical specimen for either forward position, and has just about all of the size he’ll need to be an NBA wing at nearly 6’9 240 … Plays strong, and has more than adequate length … Very fluid with good athleticism, showing exceptional body control and pretty good speed and leaping ability … More explosive than he appears at 1st glance … Lived up to his lofty expectations after a highly touted HS career … Already has a great arsenal of moves in his repertoire on offense … Has an NBA ready step back jumper and is tough for most matchups to pressure as a ball-handler … Is a threat to slash in either direction … Is able to shoot or drive effectively from the triple threat … Puts the ball on the floor, can score with his feet set, and shows good confidence as a scorer … Mid-range game is pretty polished … Great 1st step, and when operating facing the basket this is where the Carmelo Anthony comparisons are most evident … Not overly aggressive, and generally plays well off his instincts … Has shown the ability to pull down a defensive rebound and go coast to coast for either a finish at the rim or go to the line … Good finisher, and has the ability to finish above the rim with power around trees … Does a good job drawing contact, and is not at all prone to shying away from physical play … Is a long strider, and can change directions well for his size as a ball-handler … Looks like he has the necessary tools to develop into a primary scorer at the next level, and the mentality to handle that responsibility … Has some natural shot-making ability that all of the high level NBA scorers possess, and has shown he can really light up the scoreboard in bunches … Has a nice post game for a guy that is being projected to be primarily a wing player … Has good footwork and already understands how to get a wide base to take advantage of smaller defenders … Quick feet, and gets angles on defenses when operating around the hoop … His turnaround jumper is strong … Makes an impact on the glass, and was a terrific offensive rebounder last season at Duke … Aware of his surroundings, and doesn’t get caught falling asleep much when shots goes up on either end … Pretty smart, and can make plays on both ends by using his physical tools and his instincts … Makes timely steals and blocks, and is always to be accounted for on offense because of his ability to make intriguing momentum-shifting plays … Can’t really be considered a selfish player, does look to get teammates involved when he draws extra attention … Seems to be by all accounts a high character person, and a very focused competitor who has strong leadership potential … Comes off a guy who likes to lead by example, but is fairly vocal too even when he isn’t having his best game … His ability to contribute at the level he did on a talented roster and elite level program like Duke as a true Fr. is definitely extremely encouraging, and he won’t turn 20 until late in his rookie season … Has the ability to play some PF too, and his versatility as a scorer with his size makes him a big mismatch at the next level … Plenty of ability to get better, a scary proposition for a guy with his skills ...

Weaknesses: Defense is the area of his game that has drawn the greatest amount of criticism. Does not exhibit the same level of intensity and effort on that end, and how much of that was due to playing center or staying out of foul trouble is open to debate ... Given his size, there are some concerns about him being in between the SF and PF positions at the next level … Also, will need to find a weight that will allow him to maximize his athleticism … Not really a defined or “tight-skinned” specimen physically, and probably carried slightly more weight than he should’ve last season … Appears to be a guy that will always have to work a little harder to keep his weight in check, and his body toned. And any extended injuries could cause him more trouble weight wise than the average prospect. But he seems up to the task ... Not a sharp team defender yet, and still needs to improve his knowledge of where to be on this side of the ball … Makes fundamental errors, and can look lost when defending the pick and roll game, and was at times exposed for this against quality opponents who spaced the floor on offense last season ... Needs to work on improving his lateral speed and defensive technique … Effort overall on defense needs improvement as well … Sometimes settles for more difficult looks than he should, and doesn’t always look to get to the rim as much as he should … Can make tough shots, but does shoot more contested jumpers than he has to … Sometimes tries to be too aggressive, especially when his team was trailing … Not quite an overly explosive athlete, and can struggle at times to finish above taller defenders when he can’t get a clean drive past the initial defense … Has high level talent, but needs to polish his skills and do a better job with his shot selection to really reach his potential as a player ...

Overall: Parker is considered by most as a wing prospect but may actually project even stronger as a stretch 4 ... Parker had an outstanding Freshman season at Duke, and really has some of the best skills of any prospect in this draft … He is a fantastic talent on the offensive side of the ball with the kind of mentality needed to be a franchise player at the next level … Has the potentially to be a more well rounded Melo and without any of the negative selfishness or lack of team focus that Melo has long been criiticized for ... His game and leadership should allow him to make an impact at the next level the second he takes the floor, and he already has the physical tools of an NBA player despite his youth … Seems like the type of person and competitor that any organization would want, and is extremely mature by all accounts … Can play either forward position effectively, and will be a tough matchup on a nightly basis at the next level … He will need to improve his defensive skills and his overall awareness, but he has strong instincts and the smarts to continue to improve … Parker is a virtual lock to be a top 3 selection in the 2014 NBA Draft ...

Jorrye Nixon 5/28/14

Strengths: Ultra-skilled forward with an innate, natural ability to play basketball ... Remarkably advanced basketball IQ for a player his age ... Already possesses many of the intangible qualities that NBA teams covet ... Strong competitor that plays hard on both ends of the floor. Rarely fails to "show up" for games ... Moves around the court well with or without the ball ... Good overall shot-selection ... Hard worker, who appears to respect the game ... Has good size for a small forward (measured recently at 6'8.5" in shoes), and still has some time to grow ... Appears to have a wingspan of 7'0" or close to it ... He makes up for his lack of elite athleticism by being an aggressive athlete that takes advantage of any opportunities the defense gives to him ... Has shown the ability to rise up and emphatically dunk over the top of the defense ... Footspeed is fairly average, but he’s still a very fluid runner, particularly in the open court ... Knows how to take advantage of "sleeping" defenders, showing great activity off the ball with an understanding of back-cuts and spotting-up from the corner ... Is a pure shooter that displays a soft touch out to the NBA three-point line ... Has the size, touch and footwork to become a very capable player in the post, which would make him a big-time mismatch threat from the wing position ... Capable in the mid-range with a rapidly improving pull-up jumper that is already extremely difficult to defend ... Dangerous when taking players off the dribble ... Uses hesitations, fakes and crossovers to throw his defender off balance ... Combines a refined offensive awareness with an unselfish nature to always find his teammates when they are open ... Solid defender that works hard to bother his man ... Has the length and instincts to make an impact on the glass as well ... High-character player and a member of the LDS church ... Still very young and has a lot of room to improve ... Likely the top high school player in the country and has superstar potential ...

Weaknesses: While Parker is a good all-around athlete, he won't be much of a stand-out as far as the NBA is concerned ... His first-step lacks the explosion of some of the other elite-level prospects he's often compared to, and he won't be labeled by many as a "high flyer" either ... If he works hard on his strength and conditioning, he should be able to maximize his potential athletically as he grows into his height, but even for a player with a reputation like Parker, this is still an “if” ... Parker's outside shot can be inconsistent, though at only 16 years of age, this is a common issue, and can be rectified with practice and experience ... He's drawn comparisons to players like Paul Pierce and Carmelo Anthony, and those kinds of expectations can weigh heavily on younger players ...

Overall: Jabari Parker is an extremely intriguing NBA prospect ... He displays a rare versatility and polish for a player as young as he is along with the potential to get a lot better with time ... While it is awfully early to start making predictions on the 2014 draft, Parker (if eligible) is my favorite for the first overall pick ...

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/jabari-parker
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 22, 2014, 02:40:28 PM
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/11119636/carmelo-anthony-new-york-knicks-opt-contract (http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/11119636/carmelo-anthony-new-york-knicks-opt-contract)

:hyper

Hope he goes to the Bulls.  Get some fucking real competition in the East.

Also, lol at Phil Jackson.  Who the fuck do you have now
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Momo on June 22, 2014, 02:53:28 PM
Right, so I'll just resume my Magic fandom where I left off, I get the feeling this isnt the best idea and the Magic will be shit, but eh I'm only going to follow one team's games and goddamit I dont know any better!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 23, 2014, 12:09:59 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2014/story/_/id/11119553/former-baylor-star-isaiah-austin-career-ending-medical-condition

Very unfortunate.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Takuan on June 23, 2014, 03:36:42 PM
Jabari Parker looks like a slower Michael Beasley to me, except he has THE POWER OF JESUS on his side. Interesting prospect, has potential to be quite good.

Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 23, 2014, 12:09:59 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2014/story/_/id/11119553/former-baylor-star-isaiah-austin-career-ending-medical-condition

Very unfortunate.
That fucking sucks. He's blind in one eye, too.

GOD IS GRATE
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: benjipwns on June 23, 2014, 07:04:40 PM
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A week ago, Joel Embiid looked like a lock to be the No. 1 pick in the draft. News of a stress fracture in his right foot sent the Cavs spinning. Now the Cavs are wrestling between three options: draft Jabari Parker, draft Andrew Wiggins or trade the pick.

Sources close to the Cavs told ESPN.com this weekend that the team is now leaning toward taking Parker with the No. 1 pick. However, it's far from a lock. Parker came in to work out on Friday in front of the Cavs' front office and ownership. Parker wasn't great. He was a bit heavy (he weighed in at 255 pounds), didn't shoot the ball well and got winded at times. Furthermore, two different sources told ESPN.com that Parker seemed a bit indifferent. One source said he thought Parker "tanked" the workout.

Why? A source says he strongly prefers to play in Milwaukee. The Cavs appear to be aware of this. "Jabari wasn't himself," one source said. "It was clear we weren't his first option."

Meanwhile, Wiggins came in and nailed his workout on Wednesday. He shot the ball well, showed off tremendous athleticism and had a good interview. In fact, Wiggins was emphatic that he wants to be the No. 1 pick and wants to play for the Cavs.

So why is Parker ahead of Wiggins?

From what I can gather, while there are disagreements in the front office, Cavs GM David Griffin feels that Parker fits a more immediate need at the 3. Parker also is the most NBA-ready. They feel that whether he wants to play there or not, those hesitations will disappear when he arrives. They have a new front office and a new coach, who the Cavs believe can actually help them build the sort of culture they want. Parker's workout on Friday did create doubt, especially among ownership, but so far it looks like they are still leaning toward Parker.

The third option, a trade, is also on the table. The Cavs received intriguing offers from the Sixers, Magic and Jazz late last week. Each is offering its own high lottery pick plus a veteran. The Cavs could theoretically get either of Thaddeus Young, Arron Afflalo or Derrick Favors and still have a top-5 pick in the draft. It would make it much easier to draft Embiid if you knew you got additional value in the form of a veteran who can help now.

Also:
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The Cleveland Cavaliers have lured Tyronn Lue away from the Los Angeles Clippers to join new coach David Blatt's staff by making him one of the NBA's highest paid assistant coaches, sources told ESPN.com.

Lue, who has been an assistant with the Boston Celtics and Clippers with Doc Rivers over the past five seasons, will make about $1 million per season to work with the Cavs young guards Kyrie Irving and Dion Waiters, sources said. Cavs owner Dan Gilbert has been aggressive in spending on coaches over the last several years. Mike Brown was fired one year into a five-year contract worth $20 million in May and Blatt signed a three-year, $10 million deal with a team option for a fourth season.

The Cavs interviewed Lue twice and he was a finalist for the head coaching job before the team decided to hire Blatt last week after his 20-year coaching career in Europe and the Middle East.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: etiolate on June 23, 2014, 07:12:45 PM
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Sacramento Kings forward Rudy Gay will exercise his $19.3 million contract option for the 2014-15 season, but has tabled extension talks until later this summer, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/rudy-gay-to-exercise--19-3-million-contract-option-173427123.html

So Gay will be back. I think Isaiah Thomas's situation will be decided by what happens with the Kings draft pick and what he gets offered once FA opens up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Mandark on June 24, 2014, 12:01:25 AM
What are the odds they let Thomas walk?  Ownership wants to win sooner rather than later and they'll have no cap room even if he leaves, so they couldn't replace him in free agency.  Unless they get something back in a sign-and-trade (not sure if the new CBA has introduced any weird rules for that), and I'd be surprised if any other teams would make a prohibitively expensive offer to him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: etiolate on June 24, 2014, 03:31:53 AM
There's a good chance Thomas will be gone if they draft a PG or trade the draft pick for a PG, but I doubt they'd let him walk without anything in return. I believe they can still do a sign and trade, as they did that last year with Tyreke when he was a RFA. His contract was so small not resigning him wouldn't really free up cap space.

I agree that he won't get any cost prohibitive offers. There's too much talent/competition at PG for IT to get overpaid. It's just a matter of whether he's okay with being a 6th man or if he'll be angry if they get a different sort of PG to be the starter. Of course, they still have Ray MacCallum which they're high on and who showed signs of being a solid backup at the least.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 24, 2014, 09:12:32 AM
I think the safest move for the Cavs is to take Wiggins.

Trading down and getting a veteran is tempting, but I have trouble trusting numbers on guys who play for annually shitty teams. Seen too many Cavs dudes that play awesome when the team is 20-40 and playing for nothing.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: T-Short on June 24, 2014, 10:01:41 AM
:drudge LeBron opting out :drudge

http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/11127329/lebron-james-opt-contract-miami-heat (http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/11127329/lebron-james-opt-contract-miami-heat)

:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 24, 2014, 10:36:35 AM
well shit  :o
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 24, 2014, 10:52:25 AM
Please God let him sign with the Lakers. I want to see how Awesome-o would deal with that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 24, 2014, 10:56:26 AM
He's going to follow in the footsteps of his idol and start playing for a AAA baseball team.

But srs, he's going to re-sign in Miami for very player-friendly deal (one where he can bolt at any time). That's what he has valued the most is flexibility.





 


Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: benjipwns on June 24, 2014, 11:21:46 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/BTyPgAm.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 24, 2014, 11:57:14 AM
Interesting... While obviously he can still resign I wonder if he is planning to do something more unpredictable.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 24, 2014, 12:06:52 PM
I still don't think he wants to leave Miami.  Dude just played in four straight Finals with that team.  He loves the city and the culture.  Dude is at the top of his game.  I think he's playing the money game so the team can bring on someone like Lowry.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Beezy on June 24, 2014, 12:12:37 PM
He's not leaving. Where would he go, Cleveland? Let's be serious.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 24, 2014, 12:17:19 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 24, 2014, 12:06:52 PM
I still don't think he wants to leave Miami.  Dude just played in four straight Finals with that team.  He loves the city and the culture.  Dude is at the top of his game.  I think he's playing the money game so the team can bring on someone like Lowry.

While I think that is the more likely case, I'm curious to see if we see the same stories from Bosh and Wade in the upcoming days because all three of them would most likely need to rework their deals. Not just Lebron.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 24, 2014, 12:21:04 PM
Wade should just take the vet minimum and start practicing his 3 point shot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 24, 2014, 01:32:23 PM
How is this breaking news? He was always going to opt out, it gives him the best options. He can resign with a smaller deal to help the team ala Duncan, or join another team.

Wade is the more interesting case. If he opts out I see no reason for the Heat to bring him back.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Momo on June 24, 2014, 01:53:44 PM
LeBron is good yeah? Lets hope he signs for the Magic so I can have something interesting to watch
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 24, 2014, 02:03:26 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 24, 2014, 01:32:23 PM
How is this breaking news?

News is when a thing happens. Not just how shocking it is.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 24, 2014, 02:19:57 PM
While I still think its unlikely for what its worth the Cleveland situation is pretty intriguing. Imagine Lebron with a squad of Kyrie Irving, and whatever top pick Cleveland lands on now. That is a team set for now and the future. Versus Miami who is seemingly a team of the past.

Lebron would also take no pr hit for returning to Cleveland not that I necessarily think he cares about the PR part of the equation. I just kinda feel like Lebron hates that owner though after comic sans-gate.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 24, 2014, 02:34:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuwvsZOvcms

 :goty2

Quote from: Momo on June 24, 2014, 01:53:44 PM
LeBron is good yeah? Lets hope he signs for the Magic so I can have something interesting to watch

Unless you are from Florida or the orlando area, I'm not sure why you would pick the magic to follow. They are wretched. They will be still be wretched next season. I mean I know fandom isn't just about rooting for the top teams and such but there are better bad teams to follow if you are looking for entertainment.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: etiolate on June 24, 2014, 05:27:59 PM
The crowdsourcing thing was smarter than I thought it would be. It's not just a bunch of fans, but rather stat nerds working on their masters providing graphs and analysis. (aka free work for the company)

It's still a bunch of PR.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: etiolate on June 24, 2014, 06:52:33 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11130490/detroit-pistons-sacramento-kings-discussing-josh-smith-trade

I don't like Smith's contract because his game depends on Athleticism that will decline towards the end of the contract, but I do see how he fits the Kings if Rondo is indeed involved as well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 24, 2014, 06:56:29 PM
I don't like Josh Smith's contract because I don't like Josh Smith.  Forget the money situation.  Dude fucking blows
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 24, 2014, 07:00:57 PM
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Just two days before the NBA draft, the Cleveland Cavaliers are split on whether to take Jabari Parker or Andrew Wiggins with the top overall pick, multiple sources told ESPN.com.

"They are torn," one source close to the situation told ESPN.com. "They met for three hours, and all they talked about was those two guys."

Added another industry source: "They haven't come to a decision yet."

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For the past few days, the Cavaliers, according to sources, have been leaning toward selecting Parker. The 6-8 forward averaged 19.1 points and 8.7 rebounds as a freshman at Duke last season. He would address some of Cleveland's most pressing needs: shooting, basketball smarts and toughness.

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However, Parker's workout on Friday in Cleveland was a disappointment, according to multiple sources. Parker weighed in at 254 pounds with 11 percent body fat, more than 10 pounds above his playing weight at Duke. Sources say the workout was so bad that he appeared disinterested at times. One source even went as far as to say that Parker appeared to be "tanking" the workout.

"He was bad," one source told ESPN.com. "He was huffing and puffing early in the workout."

http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2014/story/_/id/11127401/cleveland-cavaliers-torn-draft-first
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 24, 2014, 07:08:21 PM
Aren't there rumors that Parker wants to go to the Bucks, and may have "thrown" his Cavs workout?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: benjipwns on June 24, 2014, 07:10:53 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 24, 2014, 07:08:21 PM
Aren't there rumors that Parker wants to go to the Bucks, and may have "thrown" his Cavs workout?
http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=34662.msg1884453#msg1884453

His father denied it though saying his soon was a good kid and would never do something like that. I think I know who I'm going to trust here.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: etiolate on June 24, 2014, 07:13:05 PM
He wasn't trying to tank the workout. He was just thinking about playing with Irving, Bennet and Waiters.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 24, 2014, 07:24:29 PM
Obviously any player can have a bad workout but I just don't buy that he looked THAT bad naturally. Out of shape? Disinterested? Nah, not Parker.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: benjipwns on June 24, 2014, 10:12:36 PM
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1. Andrew Wiggins, Kansas
Tobias Harris (98.0), Luol Deng (97.8 ), Maurice Harkless (97.7), Quincy Miller (97.2)

There's more star power, including Carmelo Anthony, lower in Wiggins' top 10 comps. However, Wiggins being similar to so many players is in itself an indication he's not a unique prospect. Paul George, the most popular subjective comparison for Wiggins, was slightly too old to qualify for Wiggins' list after his sophomore season but had a score of just 90.0 anyway, in large part because of his superior steal rate.

2. Jabari Parker, Duke
Carmelo Anthony (96.7), Luol Deng (95.7), Michael Beasley (95.0), Kevin Durant (95.0)

Ammo here for the Parker-Anthony comparisons. The nine players most similar to Parker were all lottery picks, including four that went either first or second.

 4. Joel Embiid, Kansas
Patrick O'Bryant (96.1), Sean Williams (95.7), Daniel Orton (93.7), Robin Lopez (93.2)

Few low-post scorers of Embiid's ability have entered the league in the period covered by my database. Layne Vashro's similarity model that looks at a longer span comes up with Patrick Ewing and Hakeem Olajuwon among Embiid's comps

 5. Noah Vonleh, Indiana
Chris Bosh (97.7), Derrick Favors (97.5), Spencer Hawes (95.0), Kosta Koufos (93.8 )

When I saw Vonleh play in person, I immediately thought of Bosh, so it was encouraging to see the similarity model come to the same conclusion. Favors is another one-and-done post player with more potential than he demonstrated in college.

8. Julius Randle, Kentucky
Al-Farouq Aminu (96.3), Spencer Hawes (96.2), J.J. Hickson (96.0), Brandon Bass (95.3)

Removing age, Randle's second-best comparison is an interesting one: David Lee (97.6). Alas, Zach Randolph predates my database.

13. Elfrid Payton, Louisiana Lafayette
T.J. Ford (95.3), Rajon Rondo (93.9), Darius Morris (93.4), John Wall (91.5)

While Payton's projection is unimpressive, his similarity scores are much more hopeful. Other point guards with high steal, block and rebound rates in college have succeeded as pros despite their shooting woes.


16. Tyler Ennis, Syracuse
Chris Paul (95.1), Rajon Rondo (93.8 ), Russell Westbrook (92.6), T.J. Ford (92.4)

As I explained in my discussion of Ennis with Chad Ford, point guards with high assist and steal rates and low turnover rates excel in the NBA. Whether Ennis really belongs in that group depends on how much stock you place in a steal rate compiled at the top of Syracuse's 2-3 zone.

Vashro's system he mentions: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aipd_3kGfREgdHRtcThFd3ZtMlRPYldIRmdGb241RlE&usp=drive_web#gid=5
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: T-Short on June 25, 2014, 08:26:15 AM
Quote from: etiolate on June 24, 2014, 06:52:33 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11130490/detroit-pistons-sacramento-kings-discussing-josh-smith-trade

I don't like Smith's contract because his game depends on Athleticism that will decline towards the end of the contract, but I do see how he fits the Kings if Rondo is indeed involved as well.

Seems dead: https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/statuses/481546074453061634 (https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/statuses/481546074453061634)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2014, 10:10:18 AM
Why would anyone trade for Josh Smith unless you're a dumbass of Joe Dumars proportions. He was horrible last year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Kara on June 25, 2014, 04:38:47 PM
The cool thing about LeBron opting out is that shit like his wife posting things on Instagram is front page news on the ESPN app.

And by cool I mean absolutely not cool in any way whatsoever.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 25, 2014, 05:28:28 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11135060/dallas-mavericks-talks-acquire-tyson-chandler-raymond-felton-new-york-knicks
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: etiolate on June 25, 2014, 06:06:12 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2014, 10:10:18 AM
Why would anyone trade for Josh Smith unless you're a dumbass of Joe Dumars proportions. He was horrible last year.

Rudy gay was awful before joining the kings as well. It is a matter of proper use sometimes. Smith was made a small forward for the pistons. The entire front line couldn't shoot and the lane became clogged. There are better ways to use Smith.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Beezy on June 25, 2014, 06:16:15 PM
FELTON AND CHANDLER FINALLY GONE :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2014, 06:24:42 PM
Quote from: Karakand on June 25, 2014, 04:38:47 PM
The cool thing about LeBron opting out is that shit like his wife posting things on Instagram is front page news on the ESPN app.

And by cool I mean absolutely not cool in any way whatsoever.

Is that her fault though? I just heard a "sports minute" on the radio, which is basically a sports writer giving a mini editorial in one minute. He claimed LeBron was handling FA worse this time than last time, and bemoaned the fact that LeBron noted that he is talking to Wade and Bosh about strategies. He also complained about LeBron's wife's instagram picture, saying it was irresponsible given the media frenzy.

Yet who controls the media frenzy? I don't see LeBron calling up ESPN and giving interviews, or constantly making "breaking news" statements to the press. Yet the media blows everything he does into major news and then pays commentators to complain about the nonstop coverage. It's the Tebow playbook, basically.

LeBron is arguably the least selfish NBA super star of all time (or since Bird/Magic). He's not hogging the ball or mistreating team mates, he isn't a diva, he isn't getting in trouble off the field, he isn't making ignorant statements in the press, etc. Yet every adjective you hear hurled at him revolves around that stuff...and ironically could all be used to accurately describe Michael Jordan. A guy who was selfish, a "bad teammate" by ESPN's standards, received preferential treatment from the league and refs, and might have bet on games but we'll never know the truth of that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Steve Contra on June 25, 2014, 06:29:58 PM
Lebron is never going to live down The Decision, that's the truth of the matter.  He'd have to rescue some kittens from a burning building and go back in for some puppies to get people off his back.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2014, 06:30:58 PM
It's not like he pushed a kid out a window, jeez.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Beezy on June 25, 2014, 06:36:25 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2014, 06:24:42 PM
Quote from: Karakand on June 25, 2014, 04:38:47 PM
The cool thing about LeBron opting out is that shit like his wife posting things on Instagram is front page news on the ESPN app.

And by cool I mean absolutely not cool in any way whatsoever.

Is that her fault though?
Pretty sure Karakand was blaming ESPN, not Lebron's wife.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Steve Contra on June 25, 2014, 06:38:13 PM
I wonder who was there with Lebron who told him that The Decision was a good idea?  Like who was the dude in the slick suit with three cellphones  who was like "don't worry breh, they love you"?  That dude should've been fired right there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: benjipwns on June 25, 2014, 06:47:03 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on June 25, 2014, 06:38:13 PM
I wonder who was there with Lebron who told him that The Decision was a good idea?  Like who was the dude in the slick suit with three cellphones  who was like "don't worry breh, they love you"?  That dude should've been fired right there.
World Wide Wes

(and ESPN)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Kara on June 25, 2014, 06:53:17 PM
Quote from: Beezy on June 25, 2014, 06:36:25 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2014, 06:24:42 PM
Quote from: Karakand on June 25, 2014, 04:38:47 PM
The cool thing about LeBron opting out is that shit like his wife posting things on Instagram is front page news on the ESPN app.

And by cool I mean absolutely not cool in any way whatsoever.

Is that her fault though?
Pretty sure Karakand was blaming ESPN, not Lebron's wife.

Yeah, it's not her fault everything she does is now subject to a banal media microscope because of a business / playing decision.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: benjipwns on June 25, 2014, 07:31:53 PM
Deal seems to be complete:
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The Dallas Mavericks have reacquired center Tyson Chandler from the New York Knicks, sources have confirmed to ESPN.com's Marc Stein and Jeff Goodman.

The Mavericks, who immediately made reacquiring Chandler one of their priorities after their first-round playoff exit against San Antonio, have completed a trade with the Knicks that was clinched by agreeing to take back the contract of New York's out-of-favor guard Raymond Felton as well.

The trade cost Dallas two starters -- point guard Jose Calderon and center Samuel Dalembert -- along with prized young point guard Shane Larkin, reserve guard Wayne Ellington and the 34th and 51st picks in Thursday's draft.
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Chris Herring ✔ @HerringWSJ
I'm hearing the Knicks are trying to move Dalembert and Larkin in a separate deal, according to a person familiar with the matter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: etiolate on June 25, 2014, 07:33:56 PM
Right now, it looks like a good deal for both teams. I expect Dalembert to be moved/bought out next.

I find it funny that Phil's first move is to trade for a pure point guard.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2014, 07:45:41 PM
Quote from: etiolate on June 25, 2014, 06:06:12 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2014, 10:10:18 AM
Why would anyone trade for Josh Smith unless you're a dumbass of Joe Dumars proportions. He was horrible last year.

Rudy gay was awful before joining the kings as well. It is a matter of proper use sometimes. Smith was made a small forward for the pistons. The entire front line couldn't shoot and the lane became clogged. There are better ways to use Smith.

Josh basically told two coaches and a GM to fuck off, then continued chucking three point bricks. Maybe a better organization with a strong coach could get through to him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: etiolate on June 25, 2014, 08:02:38 PM
And that and his contract are why you worry about doing it. Malone probably wouldn't put up with any nonsense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: etiolate on June 26, 2014, 12:44:22 AM
https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/481982264931516416
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Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account
‏@WojYahooNBA
Houston is finalizing a deal to send Omer Asik to New Orleans, league source tells Yahoo Sports.

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Source confirms the Rockets will receive the first round pick from Pelicans next year if it is between 4-19. That's huge.
https://twitter.com/clutchfans/statuses/482000454629728256

Pelicans feeling confident about the playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2014, 08:47:26 PM
great pick for the Lakers.

Celtics select Smart...is Rondo leaving?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 26, 2014, 09:10:42 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2014, 08:47:26 PM
great pick for the Lakers.

Celtics select Smart...is Rondo leaving?

There have been plenty of rumours of it so probably via trade.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Draft June 26th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 26, 2014, 10:11:35 PM
Looks like the heat are trying to trade for Shabazz Napier.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on June 26, 2014, 10:38:16 PM
Don't like the Kings pick. Don't hate it, but don't like it either. I wanted Payton, but when I saw Vonleh fall I was happy because his skill set pairs up with Cousins.

Now they've spent two top 10 picks on probably the easiest to replace type of player in the league.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 26, 2014, 10:42:08 PM
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The Miami Heat scored an experienced young guard and satisfied free agent-to-be LeBron James in one move by moving up to draft Connecticut's Shabazz Napier in Thursday's NBA draft.

The Heat traded their first-round pick, No. 26 overall, and two second-round picks to the Charlotte Hornets to move up two spots to grab Napier with the 24th pick, sources told ESPN.com.

James praised Napier after he led Connecticut to a second NCAA title in the past four years but he did not consult with the Heat on the selection, sources said. However, James' thoughts on Napier were known in the organization and the Heat spent several days investigating options to trade up to acquire him.

After the season, James called for the Heat to upgrade "at every position" before next season.

Napier, who can play both guard spots and is an effective shooter, fills the mold of players Heat president Pat Riley prefers because he played four years in college. He averaged 18 points and shot 41 percent from 3-point range during his senior season.

The move could affect the future of Heat starting point guard Mario Chalmers, who will become an unrestricted free agent next week.

The Heat drafted guard P.J. Hairston from North Carolina for Charlotte to complete the swap. Miami also sent the No. 55 overall pick in the second round Thursday and a future second rounder.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2014, 11:20:07 PM
wow. I knew Shabazz wouldn't be there, but didn't expect them to move up to get him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Eq7BScjLv8
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 27, 2014, 01:11:25 AM
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"I know LeBron tweeted something out in the NCAA [tournament] about him," Heat president Pat Riley said after the draft. "Why not. If LeBron and I have the same taste in talent, so be it. But he didn't call me on the phone, or he didn't make a point to me about it."

Napier, who can play both guard spots and is an effective shooter, fills the mold of players Riley prefers because he played four years in college. He averaged 18 points and shot 41 percent from 3-point range during his senior season.

"He's a very competitive person, and I think competitive without a huge ego, too," Riley said of Napier. "He's a winner. He's talented and he's skilled. You just have to watch him play the game and you can see the competitive level we all like."

The move could affect the future of Heat starting point guard Mario Chalmers, who will become an unrestricted free agent next week.

lulz at the last line.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2014, 05:31:59 AM
http://gfycat.com/EcstaticZanyDragonfly
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: Your Stalker on June 27, 2014, 10:09:03 AM
so james mcadoo and patric young didn't get drafted?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 27, 2014, 02:31:13 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11144529/zach-randolph-agrees-two-year-20-million-extension-memphis-grizzlies
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2014, 02:38:22 PM
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Dan Steinberg        ✔ @dcsportsbog
Follow
The NBA drafted more ceremonial players than the Wizards did real players tonight
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: etiolate on June 27, 2014, 07:16:09 PM
http://instagram.com/p/pw-lC1OGOx/

I feel like I could live off of nick young related posts for the rest of my NBA posting life.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2014, 07:33:58 PM
 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2014, 07:39:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOl61QKVKs4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B7b0KyHuJc
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 28, 2014, 04:39:56 PM
Big 3 and Haslem all opt out.  Big 3 maybe taking 12-15 per?  That would be huge.  Could afford to bring in Gortat with that...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 28, 2014, 11:04:54 PM
LeBron being a leader, putting winning above all.

Kobe lost.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: etiolate on June 28, 2014, 11:24:45 PM
You have to understand that nobody would know who the Lakers are without Kobe. I mean he created that franchise and all.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2014, 11:28:47 PM
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Jason Kidd has been granted permission to speak with the Milwaukee Bucks after his request for additional roles within the Brooklyn Nets was denied, league sources confirmed to ESPN.com on Saturday night.

Sources close to the situation told ESPN.com's Marc Stein that the teams already have begun discussing possible compensation to release Kidd from the final three years of his original four-year, $10.5 million contract.

News of Kidd being denied additional responsibilities by the Nets and subsequently being allowed to talk with the Bucks was first reported by the New York Post.

According to the Post, Kidd, who just completed his first year as coach of the Nets, recently approached team ownership with several requests, including overseeing the team's basketball operations department.

Nets officials, believing Kidd doesn't have enough experience for such a responsibility, a league source told the Post, granted him permission to speak with other teams.

The Bucks, who just completed their first season under coach Larry Drew, then contacted Brooklyn requesting permission to speak with Kidd about potentially hiring him, and were granted it, according to the Post.

...

The team is under new ownership, with Marc Lasry and Wes Edens, two New York investment firm executives, buying it earlier this year for about $550 million. Lasry and Kidd have a longstanding personal and professional relationship.

Also lol at Ric Bucher: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2112449-source-heat-raptors-deal-for-kyle-lowry-imminent
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2014, 11:31:47 PM
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Source says Kidd upset with the financial packages Steve Kerr and Derek Fisher received as well as powers Doc Rivers was recently granted

One league source says Bucks' front office was not apprised of the plan for Kidd to be interviewed.

In pursuing exit to Milwaukee, source tells Yahoo of Jason Kidd's ambitions: "He wants the Doc and Pop role (there). Running everything."
(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2780529/hello-coach-splash.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2014, 11:55:50 PM
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Chris Mannix @ChrisMannixSI 1 minute ago
League-wide reax to Kidd/Nets mixed. Little surprise Kidd would try to end-run Billy King. Lot of surprise a team willing to let Kidd run it
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: benjipwns on June 29, 2014, 12:16:41 AM
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LeBron James doesn't want to take a discount to return to the Miami Heat, according to Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports. James will be seeking a maximum contract, or something close to it, after opting out of his deal with Miami earlier this week. The biggest contract James could sign is five years, $130 million.
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Chris Broussard: Source: Chris Bosh opts out of his contract . Seeking 5-year deal worth roughly $15-16 million per year
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 29, 2014, 01:21:10 AM
Kidd thing is interesting. I like how he is mad that all the new coaches are making equal or better than him so that is enough for him to immediately want out.

Actually like anything in life, it's probably more complicated than that but still.


I also can't believe the Lakers haven't hired a coach yet. Certainly shows what is valued in that franchise.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 29, 2014, 11:53:15 AM
I'm curious to see how the big three will divide up the salary. What is realistic in this situation? I mean they were all scheduled to make around 20-21 million this season. The salary cap will be 63 million.

Last year the Heat were at 80 million on a cap of 59 million.

So again what's realistic not only for their contribution levels but for them to not feel disrespected and actually leave.

Lebron I would think is either going to get a raise or essentially stay pat salary wise.

So let's just say 20 million at the moment for Lebron as a guess.

I would think Wade and Bosh would accept the same salary as each other. At this point their egos, brains, and all factual evidence can accept that Lebron is the top dog but I'm not so sure they would accept tiering between each other. Wade is essentially going to miss a buckletload of regular season games for the rest of his career. And Chris Bosh is well Chris Bosh. He disappears a lot during the playoffs and he's seemed to accept his fredo role among the big three. So let's say they accept 15 a piece. Which puts all three at $50 million. Is that enough of a savings to upgrade the supporting cast? And what if Lebron wants more as some are reporting. Does that put Wade and Bosh on a sliding scale. Let's say Lebron got the max which would be 26 million. To hit 50 million among the three Wade and Bosh would need salaries of $12 million.


In my heart of hearts I would like to see Lebron at 20 and the other 2 at 12 for a total cap figure for the big three at 44 million. That would leave some good room for upgrading the rest of the roster.  But that seems unrealistic.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 29, 2014, 12:17:27 PM
Why not get rid of Wade now that he has opted out? Riley has been asking him to lose weight for years and clearly it's not working. Wade looked out of shape in the finals, and has refused to alter his game to take age/health into consideration. So why pay him $10-15mil to miss 30 games, and then show up in the playoffs winded?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 29, 2014, 12:20:57 PM
He's only opting out to play ball with the Heat. He could have easily just said screw it and kept making money on the same contract that was owed to him. This is the real world. There has to be some concessions from both sides.

I don't disagree with the rest of what you said, but its not like wade is opting out to really test free-agency. He is only doing it as a courtesy to help the team/Keep Lebron in town.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 29, 2014, 01:30:27 PM
Was checking salaries to get a sense of things and sometimes you forget how ridiculous situations can get.

I forgot that Joe Johnson will make 23 million next season and 24.9 mil the season after that.

Deron gets raises every year. Next season he makes 19.7 mil. He makes 22 million in 2016-2017 season.

 :neogaf

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: Kara on June 29, 2014, 03:01:29 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 29, 2014, 01:36:00 PM
Remember when there was a Deron / CP3 debate?

Jazz fans.  :shaq2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 29, 2014, 04:14:13 PM
Quote from: Karakand on June 29, 2014, 03:01:29 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 29, 2014, 01:36:00 PM
Remember when there was a Deron / CP3 debate?

Jazz fans.  :shaq2

steve contra annihilated
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: benjipwns on June 29, 2014, 07:10:43 PM
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The Phoenix Suns are expected to make Gordon Hayward a significant offer, possibly a max deal, but Utah Jazz will match, per sources.
:holeup
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: benjipwns on June 29, 2014, 07:15:24 PM
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-Kidd's reassignment of Lawrence Frank was the first break between ownership and management on one side and Kidd on the other.  Kidd while not directly involved in the negotiations that led to Frank's huge salary pressed for his hiring.  It still stings not just because of the $1 million per year salary (and bonuses) but because of the embarrassment factor.

--One of the final straws for Nets ownership came when Kidd advocated for a trade with the Bucks that would sent Brook Lopez and Mirza Teletovic to Milwaukee for the deeply troubled Larry Sanders and Ersan Ilyasova. The suggestion, mostly about Kidd's belief that Lopez couldn't fit in his system, was considered and rejected by the Nets brass.

--Kidd was angered by the Nets decision to trade for Marcus Thornton rather than Jarrett Jack, who he believed would have been a better fit.  Nets ownership believe that Kidd's ultimate ambition was to dump Billy King, with whom ownership remains quite satisfied.  Kidd believes that King and Nets ownership do not have a long term plan and are too opportunistic.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: etiolate on June 29, 2014, 07:34:26 PM
How do you all feel about what Philly is doing? Planning to tank for multiple years? I am not sure what the NBA can do about it if they don't like it. On some level, I think the fans understand. (Philly fans at least understand the plan. I can assure you that Kings fans are already confused by the FO moves.) However, does it lower the value of the league? I don't like stuff that feels like the MLB's run of major league farm teams.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 29, 2014, 07:44:40 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 29, 2014, 07:10:43 PM
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The Phoenix Suns are expected to make Gordon Hayward a significant offer, possibly a max deal, but Utah Jazz will match, per sources.
:holeup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMsc2jlN-6A

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 29, 2014, 09:15:55 PM
Quote from: etiolate on June 29, 2014, 07:34:26 PM
How do you all feel about what Philly is doing? Planning to tank for multiple years? I am not sure what the NBA can do about it if they don't like it. On some level, I think the fans understand. (Philly fans at least understand the plan. I can assure you that Kings fans are already confused by the FO moves.) However, does it lower the value of the league? I don't like stuff that feels like the MLB's run of major league farm teams.

Like most things it depends on the fanbase.

If the fanbase is willing to stomach them being that bad for that long then that's on them imo. I wouldn't support my franchise doing it meaning, I wouldn't buy shit from them or watch their shit. So its always up to the fanbase imo and whether they actually tacitly support such a thing.

To be fair the sixers did go for it a numbers of years ago when they tried to get Bynum. Now in hindsight that was a completely dumb move but no path is ultimately with peril.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: benjipwns on June 29, 2014, 09:26:50 PM
I think you can stomach it a bit more because last year they had MCW get a bunch of attention, this year they get to see Noel, next year Embiid and whoever their next lottery pick is, then the year after they get Saric. And they're going to be able to make some moves because their cap situation is great. Teams that will be looking to dump some salaries can let them start adding pieces here and there so that when they have their "core" together finally they'll already have some useful pieces in place to support it.

Kinda what the Suns did adding Dragic, Green, Morrises and Bledsoe to the fold over a couple years. Or the Pistons way back when they were collecting everyone's scrap then turned it into Sheed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: benjipwns on June 29, 2014, 11:02:42 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11154257/sources-toronto-raptors-verge-trading-john-salmons-lou-williams-atlanta-hawks
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The Toronto Raptors are on the verge of trading guard John Salmons for fellow veteran Lou Williams, according to sources close to the process.

Sources told ESPN.com that the teams were in "deep discussions" on a deal to send Salmons to Atlanta for Williams in time for the Hawks to be able to waive Salmons and pay only $1 million to buy him out of next season's $7 million salary.

The Hawks, sources say, will immediately waive Salmons to expand their projected salary-cap space for this summer to $15.5 million, though one source cautioned Sunday that the move is more about flexibility and roster-shaping for the Hawks than any specific free-agent target.

Sources say that the Raptors will also acquire the rights to Brazilian big man Lucas Nogueira from the Hawks. Nogueira played for Estudiantes in Spain after being selected with the 16th overall pick in the 2013 draft.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 30, 2014, 11:39:00 AM
Jason Kidd traded to the Bucks for draft picks. :neogaf

Is this real life? If the Spurs need to get younger, could they move Pop for a 1st rounder?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 30, 2014, 01:09:08 PM
Lebron reportedly wants a max deal wherever he goes (22.5 mil per). Which narrows down the teams capable by a few.

It will be interesting to see if he re-signs back to Miami for that price.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 30, 2014, 03:51:30 PM
Phoenix could end up with Lebron and Melo  :o
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2014, 05:41:07 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on June 30, 2014, 11:39:00 AM
Jason Kidd traded to the Bucks for draft picks. :neogaf

Is this real life? If the Spurs need to get younger, could they move Pop for a 1st rounder?
The Heat traded a first rounder and $1 million to the Knicks to get Pat Riley back in the day.

The Van Gundy brothers were also part of coach "trades" and the Bucks did this before to get Mike Dunleavy from the Lakers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2014, 06:49:10 PM
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Adrian Wojnarowski: As part of Kidd deal, Brooklyn and Milwaukee will not be allowed to make a trade with each other during 2014-'15 season, source tells Yahoo.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 30, 2014, 07:11:28 PM
Did Jason Kidd win 9 wins as a coach while I was sleeping?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2014, 09:21:10 PM
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/grantland-exclusive-the-jason-kidd-mess-has-a-144-million-pricetag/

Also has some interesting information on teams profits and losses and revenue sharing payments via leaked memo. (Lakers gave $49 million to revenue sharing and still made $100 million!)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 30, 2014, 10:07:32 PM
What a shitty way to treat Larry Drew.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: Beezy on June 30, 2014, 10:14:30 PM
Us daily fantasy sports players won't miss Larry Drew at all. His substitutions hardly ever made sense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2014, 01:12:43 AM
lol. I hear ya but that's a pretty shabby way to treat anybody at any job.

I'm also not sure Jason Kidd yet is some amazing coach who is worth all this hassle. But time will tell.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2014, 04:18:55 AM
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Dogged by rumors that he has wanted out of Cleveland, franchise cornerstone Kyrie Irving and Cleveland Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert tweeted early Tuesday morning that they have agreed to terms on a new five-year maximum contract extension that will be worth approximately $90 million, according to sources with knowledge of the situation.

Irving had one year remaining on his contract. The deal, which will go into effect next season and will run through the 2019-20 season, was announced by team owner Dan Gilbert on his Twitter feed
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 01, 2014, 11:07:16 AM
An all-star athlete is staying in Cleveland?!


 This can only mean micro-fracture surgeries and achilles tendon tears are in his future!

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 01, 2014, 11:12:10 AM
Irving looked pretty bad last season, though.  I think his All-Star game was the only highlight I can remember.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 01, 2014, 11:14:56 AM
I'm willing to give everyone a mulligan over last year. Too many new players, clueless new (sort of) coach and actual expectations to perform.


Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: Your Stalker on July 01, 2014, 01:11:33 PM
https://twitter.com/soshnick/status/484003967987638272
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Scott Soshnick ‏@soshnick

BREAKING: @TheNBPA in letter advises free agents to take paychecks over 18 months as lockout protection after 16-17 season #sportsbiz #NBA
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: Your Stalker on July 01, 2014, 05:41:16 PM
https://twitter.com/wojyahoonba/status/484076537772122112
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Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account ‏@WojYahooNBA

Jodie Meeks has agreed to a three-year, $19 million-plus contract with the Detroit Pistons, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 01, 2014, 08:49:27 PM
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Well Embiid is likely going to hone his game this season with one of the best to ever play it - Hakeem Olajuwon. Bleacher Report's Jason Kings reports Olajuwon reached out to Embiid and offered to train him once he is healthy. "I don’t even remember much of what he said,” Embiid told King. “I was just so excited to be talking to my idol that I couldn’t focus on anything else. I was just like, ‘Yeah, yeah, yeah!’ It was a big deal to me.”
http://www.whizwitsports.com/the-scoop/hakeem-olajuwon-to-train-joel-embiid-when-embiid-is-healthy

Nice. Embiid already has some nice post moves. If he can get healthy and gain some weight he'll be a beast. I definitely think he'll be Hakeem's most dedicated student since Yao. You can tell Dwight doesn't apply much of anything to his game, it's 100% power based.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2014, 08:57:45 PM
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Marcin Gortat will re-sign with the Washington Wizards, ESPN.com's Marc Stein confirmed Tuesday night.

News of the deal was first tweeted by Wizards point guard John Wall.

Gortat agreed to a five-year deal worth a fully guaranteed $60 million, with neither a player nor a team option entering the final season.

The deal can't officially be signed until July 10 when the league moratorium is lifted.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2014, 09:20:23 PM
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To fill in their backup point guard void, the Golden State Warriors have reached an agreement with Brooklyn’s Shaun Livingston. Livingston’s deal will be for the full mid-level exception of three-years, $16 million. The final year of his contract is partially guaranteed according to Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 01, 2014, 11:59:11 PM
How are the Lakers looking next season, Glen Shinobi?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 02, 2014, 12:14:04 AM
Bosh is apparently asking for 5/90.  Dude deserves it, but if thats true, Heat ded
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 02, 2014, 12:25:22 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 02, 2014, 12:14:04 AM
Bosh is apparently asking for 5/90.  Dude deserves it, but if thats true, Heat ded

:beli
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 02, 2014, 12:32:46 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 02, 2014, 12:25:22 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 02, 2014, 12:14:04 AM
Bosh is apparently asking for 5/90.  Dude deserves it, but if thats true, Heat ded

:beli

 :umad Bosh after Lebron is the Heat's most important player.  Dude KILLED in that Pacers series a few seasons ago, and also had probably the biggest rebound in NBA history.  The guy also changed his entire style of play to best fit with Lebron and Wade, becoming a dangerous long range two-point shooter last season and a great asset beyond the arc this season.

He absolutely deserves 18 per.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 02, 2014, 12:34:24 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 02, 2014, 12:26:52 AM
LeBron, Kyrie, and Wiggins would be a better Big 3 at this point, IMO.

Not really.  Kyrie has a shoot-first mentality which would not mesh with Lebron at all, and Andrew Wiggins hasn't done dick to prove to me that he's as good as his reputation.

No, a better big three would be Dragic Melo and Lebron  :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 02, 2014, 12:38:17 AM
Riley is a moron if he pays Bosh 90 million for 5 years. Now would be the perfect time to let him go.


It's time to blow up the big 3. Even if that contract is back loaded or incentive laden, its not much of a paycut at all. Paying big money to Bosh/Wade/And Lebron is dumb in this new era. It leaves no room to upgrade the rest of the cast.

If I was going to take a third superstar with no supporting cast, I'd prefer Carmelo.

In reality Miami should dump Wade and Bosh. Pick up Carmelo and Lebron. And build around those two. That's not going to happen because of Riley loyalty but that would be the actual best case scenario.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency begins July 1st)
Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2014, 12:59:42 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 02, 2014, 12:32:46 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 02, 2014, 12:25:22 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 02, 2014, 12:14:04 AM
Bosh is apparently asking for 5/90.  Dude deserves it, but if thats true, Heat ded

:beli

 :umad Bosh after Lebron is the Heat's most important player.  Dude KILLED in that Pacers series a few seasons ago, and also had probably the biggest rebound in NBA history.  The guy also changed his entire style of play to best fit with Lebron and Wade, becoming a dangerous long range two-point shooter last season and a great asset beyond the arc this season.

He absolutely deserves 18 per.
http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=5LV2suH6q5o&video_start=52&audio=nX1VeFBo9AQ&audio_start=0
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: Mandark on July 02, 2014, 02:16:31 AM
Bosh may have been worth $18 million/year to the Heat over the last four years, but over the next five?  That's a different story, and in the NBA you don't get a huge contract as a thank-you for past service.

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: Himu on July 02, 2014, 02:19:45 AM
Jason Kidd still plays? I bought that dude's shoes in like 95.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: Mandark on July 02, 2014, 02:24:54 AM
He's a coach now, ya dingus.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: Himu on July 02, 2014, 02:25:40 AM
Oh. Shows how much I follow NBA these days. :obama
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 02, 2014, 12:15:35 PM
Looks like Pacers will be losing Lance.


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Despite the Indiana Pacers' heartfelt movie tribute and presentation to Lance Stephenson, the two sides are currently at an impasse over a new deal, according to sources close to the situation.

The Pacers offered a five-year, $44 million contract to Stephenson, but sources said the versatile shooting guard believes he's worth much more.

Stephenson averaged 13.8 points, 7.2 rebounds and 4.6 assists last season -- all career highs for the four-year player.

"Lance and his representatives aren't sure they're going to be able to reach an agreement with the Pacers," a source said. "It's clear they want him back and he wanted to go back, but they may not be able to come to terms."

Several clubs have reached out to Stephenson's agent, Alberto Ebanks, to register their interest, most notably the Los Angeles Lakers and Chicago Bulls, according to sources.

Michael Jordan and the Charlotte Hornets also have interest in Stephenson.

While money is a factor, Stephenson will not simply go to the highest bidder, sources said. He wants to go to a team that is either a contender or a competitive up-and-coming club.

The Pacers pulled out all the stops Tuesday by hosting Stephenson and his family at a local theater and surprising him with a movie about his life.

With lucrative contracts already committed to Paul George ($15.8 million), Roy Hibbert ($14.9 million) and David West ($12 million), the Pacers feel they are offering Stephenson as much as they can while remaining financially prudent.

Also

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Avery Bradley is staying in Boston.
The Boston Celtics have reached a new deal with the restricted free agent, according to The Boston Herald’s Steve Bulpett. The Boston Globe’s Baxter Holmes is reporting the deal is worth $32 million over four years.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 02, 2014, 12:22:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Dlr6yqN2tk&sns=em
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 02, 2014, 12:22:58 PM
Lance seems destined for L.A. if I were a betting man.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 02, 2014, 12:32:24 PM
http://www.nba.com/freeagents/2014/

List of free agents.

Looking at the heat, it seems like their only targets for upgrading the roster so far seem to be Gasol and Lowry.

Lowry seems like a long shot to me. I don't see how the Heat can afford him relative to other squads. Gasol might be reasonable if he is willing to take a huge paycut to go for a ring and I like Gasol.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: Brehvolution on July 02, 2014, 01:40:02 PM
Carmelo has no position?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 02, 2014, 03:30:51 PM
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The Cleveland Cavaliers are hosting restricted free agent forward Gordon Hayward for a visit Wednesday and are preparing a huge offer sheet to try to pry him away from the Utah Jazz, sources told ESPN.com.

The Cavs, who have the ability to clear as much as $20 million in salary-cap space, are believed to be willing to start a deal at the maximum contract number of about $15 million per season.

The Cavs see Hayward as a complement to young franchise cornerstones Kyrie Irving and No. 1 overall draft pick Andrew Wiggins.

Cleveland, which got a commitment from Irving to sign a five-year, $90 million extension earlier this week, sees Wiggins as a shooting guard. Hayward would become the small forward.

The Cavs had been hoping to secure a meeting with LeBron James but haven't been successful and moved on to make Hayward their top free-agent target.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 02, 2014, 03:39:43 PM
Y
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2014, 04:23:18 PM
Nets hire Lionel Hollins:
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Hollins' deal could be worth as much as 4 years, $20 million if the team picks up his fourth-year option, a source told ESPN.com's Ramona Shelburne.

Pacers nab C.J. Miles:
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Miles and the Pacers agreed to a four-year deal in the $18 million range, sources confirmed.

Magic getting Ben Gordon:
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Free agent guard Ben Gordon has agreed to a two-year, $9 million deal with the Orlando Magic, league source tells Yahoo Sports.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 02, 2014, 07:59:17 PM
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RT @ramonashelburne: In a surprising twist, OKC has come on strong with Pau Gasol, and described as a "frontrunner" for the Spaniard.

Ya know things are looking kinda bad for the heat at the moment. There is nobody of consequence they seem to be in the running for outside of the big three.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 03, 2014, 01:01:45 AM
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The Toronto Raptors have agreed to terms with free agent point guard Kyle Lowry on a four-year, $48 million contract, multiple sources told ESPN.com.

Lowry chose the Raptors over offers from the Houston Rockets and Los Angeles Lakers.

What a joke that the heat ever expressed interest here. They had no chance in hell.


Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: Kara on July 03, 2014, 01:34:57 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 02, 2014, 07:59:17 PM
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RT @ramonashelburne: In a surprising twist, OKC has come on strong with Pau Gasol, and described as a "frontrunner" for the Spaniard.

Ya know things are looking kinda bad for the heat at the moment. There is nobody of consequence they seem to be in the running for outside of the big three.

Why would you sign there with that much uncertainty? You could end up being on a lottery team if none of them re-signed, or they just re-signed the Ghost of Dwayne Wade Past.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: Mandark on July 03, 2014, 01:43:54 AM
Yeah, but what are the odds that a major FA target of Miami won't be in touch with the Big 3?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 03, 2014, 01:44:47 AM
Quote from: Karakand on July 03, 2014, 01:34:57 AM
Why would you sign there with that much uncertainty?

I don't disagree. But the real reality is they simply don't have the money to offer these guys good competitive contracts with what the rest of the league can offer. There is no more mystique here anymore. Nobody in the prime of their career or even close is going to take a ridiculous paycut for the simple privilege of playing with Lebron/Wade/Bosh anymore. Why would they?

If I was Birdman why would I play at his current ridiculous salary when he could make real money somewhere else. Same goes with Ray Allen. It's a ponzi scheme that everybody has figured out. After Luol Deng who has already said he isn't taking a discount salary the free agency market declines rapidly to people like Kris Humphries, steve blake, etc. This is who the heat will have to fill their roster with on the current path. Ben Gordon is getting 2 years/9 million as a free agent. BEN GORDON. That is the market reality.

I don't think Lebron is staying for that. Wade will. And Bosh might. But I don't think Lebron is tied to Miami in that way or the way those other two are. Only the nets or the lakers seem capable of paying the type of salaries it would take to support the type of roster Miami wants. I think Lebron is gone if he's paying real attention to what is going on here. I think its Bosh and Wade and then whatever they put together there minus Lebron's salary.

http://msn.foxsports.com/ohio/story/source-lebron-starts-process-of-evaluating-suitors-070214
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 03, 2014, 11:05:47 AM
The Heat are losing steam very quickly.  When their next best option at this point is Trevor Ariza, I think it's time to realize that Lebron might be long gone.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 03, 2014, 11:23:03 AM
sounds like Stony is taking his talents elsewhere.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 03, 2014, 11:37:43 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 03, 2014, 11:05:47 AM
The Heat are losing steam very quickly.  When their next best option at this point is Trevor Ariza, I think it's time to realize that Lebron might be long gone.

Yeah there seems to be a large focus on Ariza and Ariza is a fine average nba player but he's Trevor Ariza. Last season was his best season in the nba and seems like a bit of an aberration.

Yes he is a large upgrade from Shane Battier but they also have other big holes, the spurs exposed.

And once again other teams can offer him more money.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: Kara on July 03, 2014, 11:43:37 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 03, 2014, 01:43:54 AM
Yeah, but what are the odds that a major FA target of Miami won't be in touch with the Big 3?

I'm not that convinced they're acting in concert anymore.  :yeshrug
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 03, 2014, 11:55:54 AM
Quote from: Exodust SoulBurn on July 03, 2014, 11:51:48 AM
What's the chance that LeBron doesn't stay with the Heat?

From what I've seen, y'all are thinking he's sticking around but just waiting for the Heat to pick up more players.

No one knows. Conventional wisdom is that he would stay with the heat because they can pay him more because of his bird rights. But the large salaries of the big three are hampering them from being able to pick up more players currently.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 03, 2014, 12:16:58 PM
I'm of the opinion at this point that he is gone.  There's apparently rumbles right now that Kobe contacted both Melo and Lebron to form a Lakers Big 3, but I doubt that'll happen.  I could see Lebron going to Phoenix.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 03, 2014, 01:53:49 PM
Lebron and Carmelo to the Atlanta Hawks

#thesouthwillriseagain #dannyferryredemption

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: Your Stalker on July 03, 2014, 03:16:23 PM
that team would still somehow lose in the first round
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: benjipwns on July 03, 2014, 03:26:05 PM
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The Sacramento Kings and guard Darren Collison have agreed to a three-year deal worth $16 million, sources told ESPNLosAngeles.com on Thursday.

The deal is fully guaranteed and is for the Kings' full midlevel exception, sources said. Teams can't officially sign free agents until the NBA's moratorium on deals is lifted July 10.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: Mandark on July 03, 2014, 03:27:29 PM
Looks like they're planning to let Thomas go after all.  Unless they want to tie up two roster spots and a lot of money in two very small guards, but even the Kings aren't that crazy.

Right?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 03, 2014, 03:53:48 PM
Thabo Sefolosha to the Hawks for 3/12.  Meh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 03, 2014, 03:54:44 PM
I was thinking, couldn't the Heat just sign Wade to one of those long-ass 10+ year contracts? He still gets paid, but just not upfront.

I highly doubt any Heat fan will get upset if they are still paying Wade 3-5 million dollars in 2024. Especially with those new television deals coming up and a likely bump in revenue sharing.



Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: Mandark on July 03, 2014, 03:55:59 PM
Nope.  Five years is the maximum contract length in the new Collective Bargaining Agreement.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: benjipwns on July 03, 2014, 04:11:48 PM
Yeah, those are no more, even the seven year deal is gone.

My two favorites are Glenn Robinson only signed one contract in his career, his rookie deal, before he signed with the Spurs for the minimum.

And the classic, Magic signed a $25 million over 25 years contract.  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 03, 2014, 04:20:34 PM
I wonder if the NBA will ever move to the NFL's contract structure and get away from ridiculous guaranteed contracts. Because, you know..
(http://www.gilbertology.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/arenashand.gif)

I probably should have included a trigger warning for Mandark before posting that
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 03, 2014, 04:23:50 PM
The system in place works fine. You can't do the insane shit you use to do anymore with contracts so the Gilbert Arenas example doesn't work anymore.

The closest you have is insanely rich owners overpaying for players that aren't worth the money. So far with teams like the nets and knicks that strategy has been a failure. And it creates a real cost to running your franchise poorly. I like the current system. It's more fair arguably on both sides.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: benjipwns on July 03, 2014, 05:07:00 PM
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Quick story: On one trip to Milwaukee this past season, when I was checking into my hotel, the young lady at the front desk asked why I was in town. I answered that I was going to the Bucks game, and she looked at me as if I had sprouted a second head.

"You don't like basketball? I asked.

"I love basketball," she said, and left it at that.
:deadpos
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: etiolate on July 03, 2014, 05:45:32 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 03, 2014, 03:27:29 PM
Looks like they're planning to let Thomas go after all.  Unless they want to tie up two roster spots and a lot of money in two very small guards, but even the Kings aren't that crazy.

Right?

Apparently they want to use the stretch provsion on Jason Terry to free up cap to perhaps keep Thomas as well.

They'd actually have three PGs if you include MacCallum who played pretty well at the end of the season. Actually, of the three, MacCallum might be the future PG.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 04, 2014, 12:15:33 AM
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After conducting meetings with three NBA teams interested in pursuing free-agent star LeBron James, his agent suggested to owners and executives present that a failure of Miami president Pat Riley to rapidly recruit a strong supporting cast could bring finalists back to meet with James himself next week, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

Rich Paul, the agent for James, invited three teams – Cleveland, Dallas and Phoenix – to the offices of his Klutch Sports headquarters to listen to pitches.

The meetings took place on Wednesday and Thursday, sources told Yahoo Sports.

Phoenix met on Wednesday and Cavaliers officials met on Thursday with Paul. Houston Rockets officials spoke with Paul by phone, but were not granted a meeting and have moved on with their pursuit of Carmelo Anthony, sources told Yahoo Sports.

Some executives believe there's an opportunity because of a disconnect between James and his teammates, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh. Another executive attending the meeting flatly said, "I think it's a smokescreen."

Across the country in Los Angeles on Thursday, Riley and coach Erik Spoelstra came to meet with free agents about joining the Heat, sources told Yahoo Sports. They met with Los Angeles Lakers free-agent forward Pau Gasol on Thursday, sources said. Miami is still unsure how much it has to offer free agents because Bosh and Wade have yet to fully agree to lowered salaries upon opting out of their contracts.
James has maintained a desire to take a full max contract with a starting salary of $20.7 million, sources said. Wade and Bosh are still reluctant to take severe cuts in their contracts, sources told Yahoo Sports, creating a financial disconnect among the three.

"There's clearly a breakdown in communication between LeBron and [Wade and Bosh]," one executive who participated in the meetings over the past two days told Yahoo Sports. "[James is] giving Riley time to go get players for them but if that doesn't happen in the next few days … LeBron seems ready to explore the market."

For James, the hard part remains: Where would he go? That still makes teams dubious of this exercise as anything but a leverage power play out of James and a marketing exercise out of Paul's fledgling agency. The Suns are offering a chance to sign James and his friend Anthony together, but James would have to move rapidly to recruit the New York Knicks' star. Paul represents the Suns' talented point guard Eric Bledsoe, a restricted free agent. All of it remains, for now, a long shot.

Anthony is spending the weekend choosing between the Chicago Bulls, Rockets and a five-year, $129 million maximum extension with the New York Knicks.

The Cavaliers sold Paul in the meeting on a core of Kyrie Irving, Andrew Wiggins, Paul's client, Tristan Thompson, three first-round picks in 2015 and significant salary-cap space. For James, Cleveland would be a homecoming, the reversal of his infamous decision four years ago.

For now, James remains overseas on vacation with his family and Riley and Spoelstra remains in hot pursuit of a supporting cast through free agency and trades. As much as ever, the clock is ticking for the Miami Heat.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/lebron-james--agent-tells-teams-james-might-meet-with-them-if-heat-don-t-improve-roster-soon-030029268.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: benjipwns on July 04, 2014, 12:28:48 AM
I wouldn't entirely mind him going to Phoenix.

But Klutch Sports needs to be shut down because of that name.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 04, 2014, 12:31:26 AM
I really want him to back to Cleveland. Not because I'm into any of that horseshit about he needs to go and redeem himself or anything. Just that I think it would be really fascinating to watch him play with Kyrie, and Wiggins. I think that could be an amazing team.   
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 04, 2014, 12:46:41 AM
I can't see him going back to Cleveland due to (http://i.imgur.com/wxrug8E.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 04, 2014, 12:49:33 AM
I also think that's a big hurdle. But you never know.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 04, 2014, 01:02:16 AM
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SportsCenterVerified account
‏@SportsCenter
THIS JUST IN: Lakers will offer Carmelo Anthony a max four-year, $95 million contract.

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/11174172/los-angeles-lakers-give-free-agency-pitch-carmelo-anthony
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: Kara on July 04, 2014, 01:03:46 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 04, 2014, 01:02:16 AM
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SportsCenterVerified account
‏@SportsCenter
THIS JUST IN: Lakers will offer Carmelo Anthony a max four-year, $95 million contract.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 :stahp :stahp :stahp :stahp :stahp
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 04, 2014, 01:11:15 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 04, 2014, 12:46:41 AM
I can't see him going back to Cleveland due to (http://i.imgur.com/wxrug8E.png)

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Kenny Roda
‏@TheKennyRoda
Sources tell me the fences have been mended between @KingJames & @cavsdan as the 2 sides have met to discuss free agency. #cavs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 04, 2014, 01:15:28 AM
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Marc SteinVerified account
‏@ESPNSteinLine
Story soon to hit online: ESPN sources say Rockets will turn attention to trying to pry Chris Bosh out of Miami IF Melo passes on Houston

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11175065/chris-bosh-eyed-houston-rockets-plan-b-carmelo-anthony
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency is here)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 04, 2014, 01:15:58 AM
I would love to see James with Dragic, Bledsoe, and the Morris twins, but after spending a bit of time thinking about it, I don't think that's the best talent level available, AND I don't think Lebron wants to go to the West.  He should stay in the East and continue to reach conference finals/NBA finals with ease.

So with that in mind, I think Miami and Cleveland are his best options.  Kyrie, Wiggins, Lebron sounds good I suppose...but I think Lebron needs to look for where he knows a strong PG AND center can be available.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 04, 2014, 01:19:49 AM
I hope all this shit happens. I hope Bosh goes to the Rockets. I hope Carmelo goes to the Lakers. I hope Lebron goes to Cleveland. That would be some fun and fascinating shit.


Kobe and Carmelo playing fuckball together would be some funny shit to watch. Nobody else on that team would ever take a shot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: benjipwns on July 04, 2014, 01:23:31 AM
Lakers need to bring Iverson out of retirement and we'd have the career #3, 4 and 5 usage rate guys together. A combined 96% of possessions!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: benjipwns on July 04, 2014, 01:37:34 AM
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@WojYahooNBA wrote:
Yahoo Sources: Portland has reached agreement on a two-year deal with free agent center Chris Kaman.

@sam_amick wrote:
Chris Kaman's deal w/ Portland is $4.8 million in the first year and $5 million in the second year with only $1 million guaranteed, I'm told
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: benjipwns on July 05, 2014, 12:35:09 AM
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The Toronto Raptors have traded Steve Novak to the Utah Jazz. Along with Novak and the two years and $7.2 million left on his contract, the Raptors will send a future second-round draft pick to Utah, sources said. The Jazz will send the Raptors Diante Garrett, who, with a $915,000 non-guaranteed deal for this season, will be waived, sources said.

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Spencer Hawes and the Los Angeles Clippers have agreed upon a four-year, $23 million deal.
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"Even taking a little less money, this opportunity was too exciting to pass up," Hawes told Yahoo Sports on Friday night. "I've had a taste of the playoffs before, but being a part of this team will be just incredible. You get to a point where you really realize what's important, and I was thinking: 'What would my 12-year-old self have done? What would he prioritize?' It was this opportunity and what they're building with the Clippers."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: benjipwns on July 05, 2014, 06:00:03 AM
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It turns out that Derrick Rose was not a part of the Chicago Bulls' pitch to Carmelo Anthony after all.

Rose, Chicago's star point guard, happened to be in the middle of his daily workout routine when Bulls officials brought Anthony into the United Center on Tuesday afternoon, according to sources with knowledge of the situation.

Rose actually was surprised to see Anthony, one source said. He had no idea what time the Knicks' free agent would be visiting the Bulls.

Rose broke up his workout to approach Anthony and said a brief hello, but that was the extent of his participation in the Bulls' recruitment.

Chicago took Anthony through a prepared recruitment presentation for Anthony, and Rose's impression was that teammates Joakim Noah and Taj Gibson were officially part of it, sources said.

But the Bulls' front office never asked Rose to join in.

"Derrick wasn't bothered that he wasn't a part of it," a source said. "He was just kind of shocked, like, 'Man, I didn't get the memo.'"

Rose had told Yahoo! Sports earlier in the week that he would not be involved in the recruitment of Anthony, so it seemed stunning when reports came out that he did indeed participate in the Bulls' presentation.

But there was no about-face on Rose's part, just perhaps a timely visit with Anthony to the arena set up by Bulls officials.

"Derrick was just working out, shooting jumpers, going through his normal routine," a source said. "He didn't even know what time Melo was coming."

Rose, who works out daily from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. at the United Center, did not attend a Tuesday night dinner the Bulls had with Anthony.

Despite his public stance against recruiting, sources close to Rose said he would have taken part in the Bulls' presentation if members of the front office had asked him to do so.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2014, 03:19:52 PM
dunno what to make of that Rose story. He refused to help court Melo so they brought him to show that Rose is healthy?

also


Report: Bosh would prefer a four-year max deal with another team to staying with Heat for less
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/05/report-bosh-would-prefer-a-four-year-max-deal-with-another-team-to-staying-with-heat-for-less/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: HiResDes on July 05, 2014, 04:00:53 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2014, 03:19:52 PM
dunno what to make of that Rose story. He refused to help court Melo so they brought him to show that Rose is healthy?

also


Report: Bosh would prefer a four-year max deal with another team to staying with Heat for less
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/05/report-bosh-would-prefer-a-four-year-max-deal-with-another-team-to-staying-with-heat-for-less/

I thought Bosh agreed to a Duncan style 10mill a year contract already? I really think Lebron is staying, but he might be smart to take his talents to a younger east-coast squad if he really wants to contend every other, either that or Dallas.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 05, 2014, 05:26:07 PM
That's the other reason, the big three should break up. It's an odd thing to ask a player to take way below market value when he is in his prime. Duncan was 35 or 36 when he took his discount contract and that was coming off a contract where he had been one of the top paid players in the league.

Now I have my criticisms of Bosh and my view on what he is worth but its one thing to come in and take a discount when all three superstars were doing it. It's another to be asked to do it when that isn't the situation anymore when there is clearly market demand for others to pay you more. The NBA already has instituted a system where salaries are compressed and artificially lower, especially for the really great players. To then have a situation where you are asked to take way less which is what Bosh would need to do for Miami to upgrade is an odd situation. It's putting the burden on the player, not the owner.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 05, 2014, 05:35:03 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_WqhsgVUos
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 06, 2014, 01:55:17 PM
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Ethan J. SkolnickVerified account
‏@EthanJSkolnick
Heat waiting on answers from main trio they r pursuing (Gasol/Deng/Ariza). All longshots to some degree, w/ Ariza least likely.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: Kara on July 06, 2014, 09:07:42 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 06, 2014, 08:41:34 PM
The more I think about it, the more I realize that if the Lakers were actually able to get LeBron, it would probably be the best move for the franchise.

IT'S BETTER THAN MELO AT MAX, THAT MUCH IS FOR CERTAIN :stahp
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 06, 2014, 11:43:50 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 06, 2014, 08:41:34 PM
The more I think about it, the more I realize that if the Lakers were actually able to get LeBron, it would probably be the best move for the franchise.

This is a Ted Haggard moment here.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: Mandark on July 06, 2014, 11:46:34 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 06, 2014, 08:41:34 PM
The more I think about it, the more I realize that if the Lakers were actually able to get LeBron, it would probably be the best move for the franchise.

lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2014, 11:54:36 PM
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The Los Angeles Clippers didn't waste much time replacing backup point guard Darren Collison, agreeing to a two-year deal with Jordan Farmar on Sunday, sources confirmed.

Clippers coach and president of basketball operations Doc Rivers met with Farmar in person last week to recruit him even before Darren Collison left the Clippers to sign with the Sacramento Kings. The Lakers expressed interest in retaining Farmar as well, but were reluctant to talk contract terms until their pursuit of LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony had come to a conclusion.

"They didn't want to commit to me," Farmar told ESPNLosAngeles.com during a phone interview Sunday.

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Chris Broussard: Cleveland has replaced Miami as my frontrunner to land LeBron James...
Chris Broussard: I'm not saying LJ to Cavs is done deal or I know 4 a fact; just my gut feeling based on many conversations I've had around this story... These convos aren't sourced enough 4 me to report as fact. But I've heard enough to believe "the wind is blowing" LJ back home. We'll see..
(http://i.imgur.com/NGV30R2.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 07, 2014, 03:40:16 PM
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Chris BroussardVerified account
‏@Chris_Broussard
Sources: Rockets offer Bosh max deal of 4 yrs, $96 million. After weekend convo with LeBron and low offer from Heat, Bosh considering offer


You have to consider the source but it still seems very likely to be the truth.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 07, 2014, 04:02:13 PM
McBob and Granger to the Heat.

Big ol' stinkin' MEH
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 07, 2014, 04:02:40 PM
Granger to the Heat. Maybe he can share knee remedies with Wade.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/w00tdotcom/1337898337950.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: etiolate on July 07, 2014, 04:05:16 PM
McBob is a very good fit for the Heatles.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 07, 2014, 04:42:09 PM
Both Miami pick-ups are fine if you put them with the big three. The problem is Miami has waited so long that there is a lot of courting going on towards Lebron and Bosh now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 07, 2014, 08:11:42 PM
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Ian Begley
@IanBegley
Keep hearing, fwiw, that the Lakers have pushed strongly the idea that L.A. can be "Carmelo's team" once Kobe's contract expires in 2 years.

That's got to be the shittiest recruitment pitch line ever.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 08, 2014, 12:24:23 AM
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Marc SteinVerified account
‏@ESPNSteinLine
Popular question raised by last five teams I've talked to: Is Melo holding out in hopes Bosh goes to Houston so he can join LeBron in Miami?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2014, 03:39:07 AM
Cavs took down the Dan Gilbert letter: http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/11186129/impassioned-letter-dan-gilbert-lebron-james-removed-cavaliers-website

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Veteran forward Channing Frye has agreed to a four-year, $32 million deal with the Orlando Magic, a source confirmed to ESPN.com's Ramona Shelburne.

http://nesn.com/2014/07/joel-embiid-blocks-lebron-james-on-twitter-for-not-responding-to-recruitment/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 08, 2014, 02:09:18 PM
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This puts star players in an impossible position: accept a pay cut “for the good of the team” or look like a glutton. When stars take pay cuts to stay together, fans rail against their collusion and call the NBA product a rigged game. When stars chase the money, fans rip them as pigs.

http://grantland.com/features/nba-miami-heat-double-standard-contract-sacrifice-lebron-james-chris-bosh-houston-rockets-free-agency/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: etiolate on July 08, 2014, 02:33:11 PM
I think fans like players taking pay cuts to stay on the team and acquire more talent. They don't like players on competing teams colluding to take paycuts in the off-season to team up. Fans want some semblance of the loyalty the fans have in players, because without that loyalty existing in fans, then the league has no audience and no money.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 08, 2014, 02:47:11 PM
The only way to keep fans from complaining is to win championships. But fans of the other teams will still complain, though. I guess what I'm saying is that if you're worried about "fans" as some generalized amalgamation complaining about something then you're never going to do anything because 100% of fans are never, ever going to be completely happy all of the time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 08, 2014, 02:50:36 PM
Quote from: etiolate on July 08, 2014, 02:33:11 PM
I think fans like players taking pay cuts to stay on the team and acquire more talent.

I bet they do. Even though if most people were themselves presented with the same situation, I doubt they would have such "honor".

I'm completely guessing here though. I don't share this loyalty mentality. It's not why I'm a fan of sports. Especially as an adult.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: etiolate on July 08, 2014, 02:58:24 PM
Team sports is all about rooting for the team. It's harmless, fun tribalism.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 08, 2014, 03:01:45 PM
I think "rooting for the team" and having a sort of silly double standard are separate things. You can root for a team without losing your intelligence or connection to how the world actually operates. Not aimed at you per se. Just a general thought.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: etiolate on July 08, 2014, 03:05:48 PM
Because I would move for a better job? Most of the work I would entertain wouldn't be so heavily impacted by fan support and loyalty. Pro Sports is a business where that loyalty actually matters to maintaining the business. That's why I get a headache when people try to compare situations in Pro Sports business to stuff like office jobs. You aren't just a worker in Pro Sports, you're also the product and brand.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 08, 2014, 03:09:42 PM
Everybody is welcome to root for a team in whatever manner they choose. Just as people are welcome to say when somebody is living on another planet with their expectations when it comes to said sports or explanations of how the sports world actually works.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2014, 05:42:09 PM
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DALLAS -- Point guard Raymond Felton admits he played poorly for the New York Knicks last season and looks forward to proving he still can play "as an elite point guard" with the Dallas Mavericks.

"Just to show everybody that I've still got it, I still can play," Felton said on a conference call with Dallas reporters. "I still can play the game at this level. I still play as an elite point guard at this level. That's just all.
:hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 08, 2014, 08:30:11 PM
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3) Movie producer Joel Silver (made Sherlock Holmes, Lethal Weapon, etc) made 4 minute trail about him being face of Lakers that was narrated by Toby Maguire

http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/2a5eud/details_on_lakers_pitch_to_melo/

 :dead


Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 09, 2014, 02:11:18 AM
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The Charlotte Hornets and Utah Jazz restricted free agent Gordon Hayward have agreed to a four-year offer sheet at the projected maximum of $63 million that Hayward is expected to sign Thursday at 12:01 a.m., according to sources close to the process.

The Jazz, who have said for months they intend to match any offer Hayward gets, will have three days to match the offer or lose Hayward as soon as the offer sheet is signed.

Hayward took visits to Cleveland and Charlotte once free agency began last Tuesday, but Michael Jordan's Hornets made an aggressive push this week to secure a commitment from Hayward, who previously played alongside star Charlotte center Al Jefferson in Utah.

The Charlotte Observer earlier reported that the Hornets and Hayward came to an agreement late Tuesday.

The Cavaliers were strongly considering offering Hayward the max, sources said, until the opportunity to become a leading bidder for Miami's LeBron James arose.

The Jazz could have kept Hayward off the open market had they negotiated a contract extension with the versatile swingman back in October, but talks broke down with Hayward reportedly seeking a four-year contract valued at $13 million annually and Utah reportedly holding firm at $12 million annually.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 09, 2014, 09:37:04 AM
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Oklahoma City Thunder coach Scott Brooks met with coveted free agent Pau Gasol in Southern California on Monday, multiple league sources told ESPNLosAngeles.com, but the team quietly considers it a "long shot" to acquire him.

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During Gasol's meeting with Brooks, according to a league source, the 13-year veteran peppered Brooks with questions about the quality of life in Oklahoma City and wondered aloud about leaving a culturally diverse city like Los Angeles for middle America.

Doesn't Pau Gasol understand that Oklahoma City is the Paris of middle America!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 09, 2014, 10:58:51 AM
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Marc SteinVerified account
‏@ESPNSteinLine
Three-team trade will see Nets acquire Jarrett Jack and Sergey Karasev from Cleveland. Boston gets Thornton, Zeller and a first

Jack move is a salary dump. Hmmm.....
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 09, 2014, 11:39:13 AM
Man, I'm going to LOVE seeing people who burned their Lebron jerseys go out and buy the new ones.

Gotta get myself a Lebron Miami jersey when he leaves.  Man looked good in black.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 09, 2014, 11:54:21 AM
I honestly legit don't know what is going to happen.

My brain says it makes more sense for Lebron to sign a one or two year deal with Miami. It's always easier to go with the devil you know unless the other option is absolutely better right at that moment.

I'm not sure the Cleveland option is better right at this moment. I mean it will be in a year or two. But I'm not sure right at this moment it is.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 09, 2014, 12:17:54 PM
Jarret Jack was a bad signing by the previous GM. So it could either be a salary dump (to help pay Lebron max) or just clearing roster space to make room for other guys. It's something they would have done regardless of the Lebron scenario.

This whole thing has been unexpectedly entertaining though. Dan Lebetard's radio show has been a lot of fun to listen to.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2014, 12:25:36 PM
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Meanwhile, ESPN's Chris Broussard reports that the Cavaliers, in addition to James, are also now trying to strike a deal with Heat free agent guard Ray Allen as a means of enticing James even more about a return to Cleveland. After briefly considering retirement following the Heat's loss to the Spurs in the NBA Finals, Allen is leaning toward returning for a 19th season, sources said.
Apparently Mike Miller too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 09, 2014, 12:59:08 PM
Now rumblings of Lebron, Kevin Love, Ray Allen, and Mike Miller to the Cavs.

Kyrie, Waiters, Lebron, Kevin Love, Varejao

Bench being Miller, Allen, Bennett, and a few others.

Thats not terrible...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: etiolate on July 09, 2014, 02:32:28 PM
If the Cavs are offering Wiggins and change for KLove then that sounds like the best deal Minny could get.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 09, 2014, 05:53:57 PM
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Final, official Nets luxury tax payment from last season according to sources: $90.57 million.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: Your Stalker on July 09, 2014, 07:26:38 PM
https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/statuses/487006694132948995
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Marc Stein        ✔ @ESPNSteinLine
Follow

ESPN sources say Mavericks and Rockets RFA Chandler Parsons have reached agreement on three-year offer sheet worth in excess of $45 million
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 09, 2014, 07:30:45 PM
Sheridan reporting Lebron has informed the Heat he will sign with the Cavs.

Wow.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: etiolate on July 09, 2014, 07:35:36 PM
I don't believe anything until I hear from Woj, Stein or Amick.

However, since we're bored of the waiting game. If Lebron goes Cleveland, then Bosh likely goes Houston. Wade goes ??? And Ray Allen/Miller follow Lebron. There will probably be a handful of cap-based trades to coincide.

And what Melo does outside of going to Chicago really doesn't matter. The Lakers and Knicks won't be contenders with him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 09, 2014, 07:36:33 PM
Quote from: etiolate on July 09, 2014, 07:35:36 PM
I don't believe anything until I hear from Woj, Stein or Amick.

Same.


These bloggers are going to look like idiots if Lebron doesn't go to Cleveland.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: TEEEPO on July 09, 2014, 07:36:41 PM
and Ariza will stay in Washington...

plz stay :fbm

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 09, 2014, 07:42:00 PM
Woj tweet.

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Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account
‏@WojYahooNBA
LeBron James left the meeting without committing to a deal with the Heat, league source tells Yahoo Sports.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2014, 07:45:59 PM
Maybe he's going to the Pistons.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: Mandark on July 09, 2014, 11:29:04 PM
Quote from: Your Stalker on July 09, 2014, 07:26:38 PM
https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/statuses/487006694132948995
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Marc Stein        ✔ @ESPNSteinLine
Follow

ESPN sources say Mavericks and Rockets RFA Chandler Parsons have reached agreement on three-year offer sheet worth in excess of $45 million

This is a big deal for the Rockets, because as soon as they match the offer, they lose the cap space to sign another free agent (ie Bosh) to a big contract.  Used to be a week to match, now I think it's three days.  So the clock is now running for them if they want Parsons and Bosh.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 10, 2014, 12:58:57 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj-FBSALn2A
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 10, 2014, 10:32:14 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/4inr8Oa.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: etiolate on July 10, 2014, 11:30:20 PM
Cleveland's reaction if he goes back to Miami will be epic. It'd be like Brandnew getting dumped by his sister again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 11, 2014, 10:36:47 AM
http://regressing.deadspin.com/lebron-would-be-nuts-to-stay-in-miami-because-dwyane-w-1601849858/+kylenw
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 11, 2014, 11:15:54 AM
DAMMIT LEBRON DO SOMETHING
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 11, 2014, 12:27:33 PM
LEBRON: I'm Coming Home

http://www.si.com/nba/2014/07/11/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers (http://www.si.com/nba/2014/07/11/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers)

wow
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2014, 12:28:36 PM
Diddy is going to make millions in royalties form this.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 11, 2014, 12:37:36 PM
fuck that song  :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2014, 12:49:20 PM
I guess Bob Evans doesn't have wifi or else we would have heard from Stony by now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: Steve Contra on July 11, 2014, 12:50:26 PM
LeBron cementing his status as :trollbron the most hated man in sports.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: etiolate on July 11, 2014, 12:55:00 PM
At least Cleveland won't win the lottery again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rumours getting hot and heavy up in here)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2014, 01:01:12 PM
Brilliant move by LeBron. He immediately becomes the hero, he has the city and state in the palm of his hand, and I'm assuming he has a long term goal of owning the team one day.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 11, 2014, 01:27:09 PM
I'm glad he's going to Cleveland. I believe that holds the most upside.

It's unfortunate that Gilbert gets to benefit from this but whatever.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 11, 2014, 01:39:07 PM
I hope they can get Love, too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home)
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 11, 2014, 01:42:34 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 10, 2014, 10:32:14 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/4inr8Oa.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/EATkJ7W.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home)
Post by: etiolate on July 11, 2014, 01:43:03 PM
Now on to the real stuff.

SUMMER LEAGUE!  Stauskas better not suck cuz Payton looks good and I wanted Payton.

edit: Won't James go back to #23 on the Cavs? He couldn't get it on the Heat because their dumb asses retired Jordan's number.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 11, 2014, 01:44:46 PM
Immediately next season is 10 times more interesting than last season. So many storylines and possibilities open up now.

I so want to see how Spoelstra does now that the training wheels are off.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home)
Post by: etiolate on July 11, 2014, 01:51:41 PM
Does Miami still owe Cleveland any draft picks?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home)
Post by: Kara on July 11, 2014, 02:07:47 PM
There's a July Monarchy joke to be made here but tbh I don't really care enough to even try and piece it together.

Time to accept Melo shitting up the Lakers with a max deal. :stahp
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 11, 2014, 02:10:10 PM
Not likely.

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Carmelo Anthony has narrowed his options down to the New York Knicks and Chicago Bulls. He is no longer considering the Los Angeles Lakers, sources told ESPN's Stephen A. Smith.

Knicks president Phil Jackson said Thursday that he hadn't heard from Anthony in recent days but remained confident the All-Star forward would re-sign with the Knicks.

Jackson said the Knicks have made five different contract offers to Anthony, one of which is believed to be a maximum deal of $129 million over five years.

Anthony's agent, Leon Rose, told ESPN.com on Wednesday afternoon that his client "hasn't made a decision yet."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 11, 2014, 02:18:18 PM
Lakers fans should be used to a guy that isn't as good as people say taking all the shots, though :heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 11, 2014, 02:22:58 PM
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Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account
‏@WojYahooNBA
Houston and Chris Bosh moving quickly on securing deal, and with Bosh, Rockets will match Chandler Parsons offer sheet, source tells Yahoo.

I'm happy for Bosh. He got two titles he probably otherwise wouldn't have gotten. Now gets paid good money instead of having to take a pay-cut. And joins a team that is very good and he is arguably suited to play more for. Good for him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 11, 2014, 02:34:29 PM
I liked Bosh and Lebron together, that is the saddest thing about this decision.  Good teammates.

No real sympathy for Wade though, honestly.

Cavs are offering Bennett, Waiters, and first rounder for Love.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 11, 2014, 02:41:32 PM
I hold no animosity towards Wade. It's become popular to really dump on him in the last couple of years. And I get some of it. But I don't think he's done anything in the wrong that is especially bad. Some shady basketball plays in some cases. Sure. But nothing where I hate him or anything.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 11, 2014, 02:45:57 PM
It's not animosity on my part, I like Wade just fine, but the last two years, the Heat were Lebron and Bosh's team.  Wade hasn't really done shit since the Thunder Finals.

Will be interesting to see if he signed with the Heat again.  I say Heat go full tank mode and let Wade sign with Chicago or something.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2014, 02:47:38 PM
Quote from: etiolate on July 11, 2014, 01:43:03 PM
Now on to the real stuff.

SUMMER LEAGUE!  Stauskas better not suck cuz Payton looks good and I wanted Payton.

edit: Won't James go back to #23 on the Cavs? He couldn't get it on the Heat because their dumb asses retired Jordan's number.

I still don't believe Stauskas can consistently create his own shot/drive in the NBA. He really improved over the years at Michigan, and was really good last season...I just don't buy it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 11, 2014, 02:49:02 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 11, 2014, 02:45:57 PM
It's not animosity on my part, I like Wade just fine, but the last two years, the Heat were Lebron and Bosh's team.  Wade hasn't really done shit since the Thunder Finals.

Will be interesting to see if he signed with the Heat again.  I say Heat go full tank mode and let Wade sign with Chicago or something.

I'd lose a lot of respect for them if they did that. Wade did them a favor by opting-out. To screw him like that would make me quite angry.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2014, 02:56:39 PM
(https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/t1.0-9/10487557_10152292337498108_252734747944812496_n.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home)
Post by: Brehvolution on July 11, 2014, 02:57:17 PM
 :lol That's awful
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 11, 2014, 03:02:41 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 11, 2014, 02:49:02 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 11, 2014, 02:45:57 PM
It's not animosity on my part, I like Wade just fine, but the last two years, the Heat were Lebron and Bosh's team.  Wade hasn't really done shit since the Thunder Finals.

Will be interesting to see if he signed with the Heat again.  I say Heat go full tank mode and let Wade sign with Chicago or something.

I'd lose a lot of respect for them if they did that. Wade did them a favor by opting-out. To screw him like that would make me quite angry.

Dwayne Wade's corpse isn't worth what his ego will demand. If you're an actual fan of the Heat, you'd want want them to invest that money into a player worth it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home)
Post by: Brehvolution on July 11, 2014, 03:15:11 PM
No shit. Dwade had it pretty good for the past 2-3 seasons. Don't have to barely play during the regular season to "save him for the playoffs." Then doesn't do shit in the playoffs this year. (http://i.imgur.com/4nE8HT0.png)

That gravy train is over.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 11, 2014, 03:31:31 PM
Quote from: Exodust SoulBurn on July 11, 2014, 03:28:38 PM
The best free agency in a while, and the Lakers still fuck it up cause they can't stop sucking Kobe's dick.

Quote
The Houston Rockets have traded guard Jeremy Lin and a future first-round pick to the Los Angeles Lakers, a league source told ESPN's Jeff Goodman.

The Lakers were amenable to this deal, according to sources, because Lin is only under contract for one more season, thus preserving their cap space next summer. They also covet draft picks, after trading away their first-round picks in 2015 and 2017 to Phoenix and Orlando as part of the Steve Nash and Dwight Howard trades, respectively.

 :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home. Kobe & Lin lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 11, 2014, 03:41:08 PM
To be honest its not that bad. I mean long term. Next season was a lost season anyway unless they got Carmelo. Lin comes off the books in a year. They can hit the free agency market again next year. And they get a 1st round out of it for essentially just giving Rockets some financial freedom. I mean there is nothing they really can do until Kobe is gone. That albatross of a contract guarantees that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home. Kobe & Lin lol)
Post by: etiolate on July 11, 2014, 03:46:58 PM
What are they going to use the capspace on next year if KLove gets traded to Cleveland? The biggest FAs are going to be Love, Rondo and Gasol.

Hilarious scenario: Chicago gets Melo. Amnesties Boozer. Boozer signs with Cleveland.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home. Kobe & Lin lol)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 11, 2014, 04:24:16 PM
Woj reporting Chicago is exploring interest with Wade

I'm nostradamus
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home. Kobe & Lin lol)
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 11, 2014, 04:27:47 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 11, 2014, 12:27:33 PM
LEBRON: I'm Coming Home

http://www.si.com/nba/2014/07/11/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers (http://www.si.com/nba/2014/07/11/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers)

wow

At least we won't have to watch Lebron win another championship for a while.  :hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home. Kobe & Lin lol)
Post by: Himu on July 11, 2014, 04:29:47 PM
Really respect Lebron for this move.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home. Kobe & Lin lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 11, 2014, 05:04:48 PM
Quote
David AldridgeVerified account
‏@daldridgetnt
Miami has offered Bosh the full five-year max deal to stay, per sources. Bosh hasn't decided between that & Houston's four-year max offer.

Quote
MarkJonesESPNVerified account
‏@MarkJonesESPN
On Bulls reported interest in Wade.Person close to Wade told me"He has no interest in returning to Chicago and recently sold his home there"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home. Kobe & Lin lol)
Post by: Himu on July 11, 2014, 06:42:21 PM
Bosh and Miami reach a five year deal. No Lin, no Parsons, no Bosh. The Rockets :sabu
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home. Kobe & Lin lol)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 11, 2014, 06:45:41 PM
Holy fuck, Bosh got paid.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home. Kobe & Lin lol)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 11, 2014, 06:46:03 PM
https://twitter.com/RealSkipBayless/status/487662290498367488

 :gladbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home. Kobe & Lin lol)
Post by: Your Stalker on July 11, 2014, 07:15:08 PM
Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on July 11, 2014, 06:42:21 PM
Bosh and Miami reach a five year deal. No Lin, no Parsons, no Bosh. The Rockets :sabu
your team can still match the maverick's offer
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home. Kobe & Lin lol)
Post by: Mandark on July 11, 2014, 07:20:04 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 11, 2014, 06:46:03 PM
https://twitter.com/RealSkipBayless/status/487662290498367488

 :gladbron

I think we've reached Peak Bayless.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home. Kobe & Lin lol)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2014, 07:26:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1YXc4k2CPY
this dude I swear  :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home. Kobe & Lin lol)
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 11, 2014, 08:01:34 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 11, 2014, 06:46:03 PM
https://twitter.com/RealSkipBayless/status/487662290498367488

 :gladbron

First response nails it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home. Kobe & Lin lol)
Post by: etiolate on July 11, 2014, 08:04:43 PM
Isaiah Thomas S&T to Phoenix for 4 years 27m in exchange for a D-Leaguer and a trade exception. Terrible value for IT and fair contract for IT. Rather confusing. If the Kings didn't want to be keep Thomas then they should have traded him during the season and got value. This is terrible value for a player like IT.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home. Kobe & Lin lol)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 11, 2014, 08:56:53 PM
I wish Bosh the best. And as a Miami fan, I'm glad they will retain Bosh and Wade. I'd be happy to continue rooting for that team. Even more so now because they almost have an underdog sentiment going for them now. It's easier. I won't expect perfection. I'll be happy with competence because that is all I can expect.  I don't think this is the best idea for Bosh when it comes to winning titles as the houston situation was much better for him and he is being insanely overpaid but good on em to make a life choice that will make him the most happy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home, Kobe & Lin, Bosh stays in Miami)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2014, 11:52:41 PM
sounds like the Lakers are losing Gasol. He just turned down a 2 year 20mil deal

Quote
@WojYahooNBA · 1m
Pau Gasol turned down a two-year, $10M-plus per deal with the Lakers, league sources tell Yahoo Sports. Likely moving on.

at this point Kobe is like Michael Corleone at the end of Godfather III
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home, Kobe & Lin, Bosh stays in Miami)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 12, 2014, 12:27:52 AM
Lakers will be a mess for the next couple of years. Nobody in their right mind wants to team up with an ego like Kobe post-peak. The ownership is a mess. And the Clippers are the cooler more relevant team right now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home, Kobe & Lin, Bosh stays in Miami)
Post by: Kara on July 12, 2014, 12:29:41 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 11, 2014, 11:57:46 PM
Has anyone done as much to fuck up what could have been a decent situation as much as Jim Buss over the last few years? Hiring Phil instead of D'Antoni alone would have changed so many things.

Jim Buss has always been fucking worthless, he just got lucky with the Gasol trade.

He learned his job from his GM, fer chrissake. :heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home, Kobe & Lin, Bosh stays in Miami)
Post by: etiolate on July 12, 2014, 12:32:53 AM
Well Stauskas looked good.  McLemore and Williams still look like busts.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home, Kobe & Lin, Bosh stays in Miami)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 12, 2014, 12:42:49 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkstmxBVuAM
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home, Kobe & Lin, Bosh stays in Miami)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 12, 2014, 01:38:04 AM
Quote
Vince Carter has agreed to a three-year, $12M deal with Memphis, league source tells Yahoo Sports.

Surprising location.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home, Kobe & Lin, Bosh stays in Miami)
Post by: Kara on July 12, 2014, 01:44:51 AM
I'm bracing myself for some mid-90s Lakers basketball.

But this time there will be no Cedric Ceballos to lead us to a land of milk and honey.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home, Kobe & Lin, Bosh stays in Miami)
Post by: etiolate on July 12, 2014, 03:36:23 AM
Poor Laker fans. They have suffered so much.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home, Kobe & Lin, Bosh stays in Miami)
Post by: Himu on July 12, 2014, 03:47:39 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/L3k10P8.jpg)

 :lol :lol :lol :lol

:sabu
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home, Kobe & Lin, Bosh stays in Miami)
Post by: Kara on July 12, 2014, 04:07:37 AM
Quote from: etiolate on July 12, 2014, 03:36:23 AM
Poor Laker fans. They have suffered so much.

Once you've tasted caviar, kid, fish eggs just don't taste the same.

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home, Kobe & Lin, Bosh stays in Miami)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 12, 2014, 12:00:58 PM
Quote
The Utah Jazz have retained Gordon Hayward after matching the Charlotte Hornets' four-year, $63 million offer sheet to the restricted free agent.

Mark Bartelstein, Hayward's agent, told ESPN.com's Marc Stein that the Jazz made "a great statement" to his client by matching the Hornets' offer.

So much effort for what I consider a relatively average player.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home, Kobe & Lin, Bosh stays in Miami)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2014, 01:48:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy7POk5f0GE
the lady they interviewed :rofl

I didn't know Awesom-O was an old black woman
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home, Kobe & Lin, Bosh stays in Miami)
Post by: etiolate on July 12, 2014, 05:18:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL6VSBTAjcc

Looks good. Obviously needs to get some upper body strength. Didn't have any trouble with getting a shot up and made the right play within the offense. Had a mean cross over on Ayers that he couldn't finish off at the rim.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home, Kobe & Lin, Bosh stays in Miami)
Post by: etiolate on July 12, 2014, 05:55:02 PM
Quote

Marc J. SpearsVerified account
‏@SpearsNBAYahoo
LeBron James taking a two-year, $42 million deal with opt out in second season with Cavs so he can get max in next CBA, source said.

So much betrayal potential!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home, Kobe & Lin, Bosh stays in Miami)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2014, 06:25:52 PM
lol

I can't imagine him leaving again, it would fuck up this "coming home" narrative, and what I assume his long term goals are (owning the city, state, and eventually the Cavs organization).

but then again in two years Kobe will be outta LA...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home, Kobe & Lin, Bosh stays in Miami)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2014, 06:50:52 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 12, 2014, 06:44:10 PM
I'm looking at Julius Randle highlights and feeling cautiously optimistic about him.

He's a god damn beast. Great footwork, very strong

Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home, Kobe & Lin, Bosh stays in Miami)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 12, 2014, 07:28:48 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 12, 2014, 07:27:59 PM
Also, it looks like we lost Pau. This team is going to be horrific.

Yup.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/pau-gasol-tweets-hes-joining-220357041--nba.html

But hey, at least you'll have a (maybe) healthy Kobe, amirite???

:jawalrus
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home, Kobe & Lin, Bosh stays in Miami)
Post by: Kara on July 12, 2014, 07:39:34 PM
It's sad but I'm going to long for the Smush / Kwame Lakers very soon. :beli

At least Melo isn't a Laker. :rejoice

And the shittier the team goes, the more impetus it gives Jeanie Buss to stage a coup and kick her dipshit brother out of non-voting decision making. :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home, Kobe & Lin, Bosh stays in Miami)
Post by: Your Stalker on July 12, 2014, 07:47:30 PM
them jews about to body dwight  :whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home, Kobe & Lin, Bosh stays in Miami)
Post by: Kara on July 12, 2014, 07:50:55 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 12, 2014, 07:46:40 PM
Supposedly Love would sign a long-term deal with the Cavs if he got traded there. So shitty  :goty

I don't think AEG is going to put up with the Lakers being bad for a prolonged period of time, especially without Dr. Buss to smooth them over.

At least until they get an NFL team in LA. (:heh)

Them buying out the Buss family would be the best option after Jeanie being dictator imo.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (King James comes home, Kobe & Lin, Bosh stays in Miami)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2014, 08:10:40 PM
Love strong arming his way out of a small market team? What a selfish thug.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Melo stays in NY, Gasol to Bulls, Ariza to Rockets)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 13, 2014, 12:02:14 AM
Interesting day. If Rose can be anywhere close to what he was the Gasol pickup is really nice. I always wished the Heat had him.

The Haywood thing seems even more absurd a day later. And I don't think Parsons is worth his money either. Whatever I guess.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Melo stays in NY, Gasol to Bulls, Ariza to Rockets)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 13, 2014, 12:07:00 AM
Quote
@DwightHoward

previous tweet was a mistake. I have never commented on international politics and never will.
:lol

how can anyone respect this dude :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Melo stays in NY, Gasol to Bulls, Ariza to Rockets)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 13, 2014, 12:11:28 AM
Quote
Marc SteinVerified account
‏@ESPNSteinLine
Paul Pierce is on the verge of joining the Washington Wizards in a free-agent deal, ESPN has learned

Quote
Paul Pierce has agreed to a deal with the Washington Wizards, sources tell ESPN.com.

The deal is for two years and worth nearly $11 million with a player option entering the second year, sources said
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Melo stays in NY, Gasol to Bulls, Ariza to Rockets)
Post by: Beezy on July 13, 2014, 04:25:57 AM
Ugh... I really grew to like the Wizards during this past season. But Paul Pierce is the one player in the league that I hate. :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Melo stays in NY, Gasol to Bulls, Ariza to Rockets)
Post by: Kara on July 13, 2014, 04:35:15 AM
Quote from: Beezy on July 13, 2014, 04:25:57 AM
Ugh... I really grew to like the Wizards during this past season. But Paul Pierce is the one player in the league that I hate. :-\

(http://i.imgur.com/Tesya1D.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Melo stays in NY, Gasol to Bulls, Ariza to Rockets)
Post by: Beezy on July 13, 2014, 06:42:14 AM
Quote from: Exodust SoulBurn on July 13, 2014, 05:32:27 AM
Quote from: Beezy on July 13, 2014, 04:25:57 AM
Ugh... I really grew to like the Wizards during this past season. But Paul Pierce is the one player in the league that I hate. :-\

What? Why?
seriously? :what
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Melo stays in NY, Gasol to Bulls, Ariza to Rockets)
Post by: Momo on July 13, 2014, 02:22:02 PM
Could someone explain why the draft system was chosen in american sports? Does it apply in your football too or are you following the European style there? I realise the biggest reason is franchises (probably) but i'd be interested to see why this was thought to be the best system.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Melo stays in NY, Gasol to Bulls, Ariza to Rockets)
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 13, 2014, 02:58:23 PM
Because one team using their owner's wealth/influence to bogart all the available talent is not generally a good way to maintain long-term interest in the sport. A league-wide draft, especially one that favors teams on the losing end, helps maintain some balance.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Melo stays in NY, Gasol to Bulls, Ariza to Rockets)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 13, 2014, 03:50:05 PM
Quote from: Momo on July 13, 2014, 02:22:02 PM
Could someone explain why the draft system was chosen in american sports? Does it apply in your football too or are you following the European style there? I realise the biggest reason is franchises (probably) but i'd be interested to see why this was thought to be the best system.

It helps to balance out the league and prevent richer teams/owners from pooling talent nonstop, and helps small market teams; this year the second pick went to a small market team (Milwaukee). In football (NFL) the top picks goes to the worse teams; if your team has the worst record in the league you get the first pick. In NBA they have a lottery, where the worst teams have a better % chance of winning the top picks, but anything can happen. So purposely tanking in the NFL is a surer bet to get the top pick, whereas you could be the worst team in the NBA and still fuck around and get the 5th pick or something.

I selfishly prefer the NFL way, simply because I would have tanked to get a once in a generation talent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC44nP7ClxM
:rejoice

:tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Melo stays in NY, Gasol to Bulls, Ariza to Rockets)
Post by: T-Short on July 13, 2014, 04:18:28 PM
Deng to Miami, 2 years

http://www.nba.com/2014/news/07/13/heat-deng.ap/index.html (http://www.nba.com/2014/news/07/13/heat-deng.ap/index.html)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Melo stays in NY, Gasol to Bulls, Ariza to Rockets)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 13, 2014, 04:23:49 PM
Damn, that's not a bad team.

Napier
Wade
Deng
Bosh
Birdman

McBob and Granger off the bench.  That'll at least be a 5 seed in the east.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Melo stays in NY, Gasol to Bulls, Ariza to Rockets)
Post by: Momo on July 13, 2014, 04:52:43 PM
How do you guys handle foreign players then? And are college American players compelled to go through the draft?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Melo stays in NY, Gasol to Bulls, Ariza to Rockets)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 13, 2014, 04:59:07 PM
Quote from: Momo on July 13, 2014, 04:52:43 PM
How do you guys handle foreign players then? And are college American players compelled to go through the draft?

Foreign players often enter the draft. Older ones can be signed as free agents. In baseball, a team might buy a foreign player and place him in the "farming" system of AA baseball, before "calling up him" to play in the big leagues.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Melo stays in NY, Gasol to Bulls, Ariza to Rockets)
Post by: Momo on July 13, 2014, 05:03:40 PM
So, the Miami Heat lets say, cant just go raid the Greek league of their talent without going through hoops?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Melo stays in NY, Gasol to Bulls, Ariza to Rockets)
Post by: etiolate on July 13, 2014, 05:05:32 PM
A player must declare himself eligible for the draft to enter the NBA. If they go undrafted then they are a free agent and can accept invites from any team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Melo stays in NY, Gasol to Bulls, Ariza to Rockets)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 13, 2014, 06:33:43 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 13, 2014, 04:23:49 PM
Damn, that's not a bad team.

Napier
Wade
Deng
Bosh
Birdman

McBob and Granger off the bench.  That'll at least be a 5 seed in the east.

I'm very curious to see them play.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 13, 2014, 06:35:12 PM
Rockets will not match the parsons offer to mavericks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 13, 2014, 06:51:11 PM
The Tyson Chandler/Chandler Parsons double-team is just gonna be too much Chandler for anyone to handle.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Melo stays in NY, Gasol to Bulls, Ariza to Rockets)
Post by: Beezy on July 13, 2014, 07:38:43 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 13, 2014, 04:23:49 PM
Damn, that's not a bad team.

Napier
Wade
Deng
Bosh
Birdman

McBob and Granger off the bench.  That'll at least be a 5 seed in the east.

There's still a chance that they lose Birdman. I'd put Chicago, Cavs, Toronto, Pacers & Wizards above them right now. And this is pure bias, but I put the Knicks with a competent PG above them also.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 13, 2014, 08:55:25 PM
Quote
Chris Andersen -- the Birdman -- reaches agreement on a multi-year deal to return to the Miami Heat, league source tells Yahoo Sports.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Beezy on July 13, 2014, 09:14:29 PM
Well that's that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 13, 2014, 09:48:48 PM
It's gonna be:

Chicago
Indiana
Cleveland
Washington
Miami
Toronto
Brooklyn
Atlanta
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Beezy on July 13, 2014, 11:25:47 PM
Yeaaaaah I'm not gonna do this.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 13, 2014, 11:48:21 PM
Cavs will be #1 seed in the east and reach the finals.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: El Babua on July 14, 2014, 12:55:29 AM
At least the Heat are gonna stay competitive. Almost feels like post 2007 in a a way.

Though 2008/2009 had Wade in his absolute prime though. :tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 14, 2014, 01:14:06 AM
Quote
Mario Chalmers is returning to the Miami Heat on a two-year deal, sources tell ESPN

 :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: bachikarn on July 14, 2014, 01:40:09 AM
It's funny. When the Cavs were looking for a new coach, didn't a lot of coaches turn them down? Bet that wouldn't have happened if they knew they were getting Lebron.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Momo on July 14, 2014, 03:00:24 AM
Quote from: etiolate on July 13, 2014, 05:05:32 PM
A player must declare himself eligible for the draft to enter the NBA. If they go undrafted then they are a free agent and can accept invites from any team.
I feel this system is going to bite you guys in the ass long term
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: etiolate on July 14, 2014, 03:06:11 AM
What bites the league in the ass is its officiating problems and Stern's Jordan-based approach to promoting the league.

It may be transitioning itself out of that, but who knows. Certain cities have no hope of fielding a competitive team through Free Agency and the draft is the only route they really have. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Momo on July 14, 2014, 04:09:33 AM
Nobody wants to live in Manchester, but they have a TOP 3 in the world club  :yeshrug
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Kara on July 14, 2014, 04:17:57 AM
Having been to both places, I can tell you that Manchester is Paris compared to Sacramento.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Mandark on July 14, 2014, 04:23:56 AM
et, what specifically is wrong with the rules that govern player movement?  What do you think the NBA's goals should be regarding player movement, and how should it achieve those goals?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2014, 04:39:12 AM
Just to note, a player doesn't have to declare for the Draft. They're automatically entered at some point based on varying circumstances, four years of college play completed, played pro ball somewhere, hit age 22 for "international" players, etc.
Quote from: Momo on July 14, 2014, 03:00:24 AM
I feel this system is going to bite you guys in the ass long term
Define "long term."  Is 64 or 43 years enough?

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 13, 2014, 06:51:11 PM
The Tyson Chandler/Chandler Parsons double-team is just gonna be too much Chandler for anyone to handle.
They need to swing a deal with Denver for Wilson Chandler. And sign Matthew Perry as an assistant coach or something.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: etiolate on July 14, 2014, 04:45:16 AM
OH GOLLY IS THIS WHERE MANDARK IS THINKING HE DONE SOMETHING

anyways

Momo- You could have owners with money in smaller markets, but there's extra exposure and thus extra money with certain cities and teams. You can be a top player on a winning team, but you'll struggle to get exposure on the level of a middling team in the major markets. I feel the players understand the food chain. You get more exposure in a city/team the NBA likes to promote. Beyond the contract money, you're making more sponsor money and increasing the value of your brand as a player.

On top of that, more media attention has meant the NBA is more invested in you as a player/team and that means you will get more favoritism from officials in the league. Also, older players that have played at a higher level are more likely to go to winning market because whatever they lose in contract money, again, they gain in exposure. You have to be a really top tier small market team for multiple years in a row to garner attention and counter-act this.

With that many advantages to start with, letting any team go after any new player would take all these problems and likely make them worse. And the states are large, and regional investment matters. If it was just a handful of competitive teams and the rest was fodder, fans would leave and the sport would suffer as it would the sport as a business.

There's just major cultural differences.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Mandark on July 14, 2014, 04:49:11 AM
It's a sincere question, et.  You talk about the "star system" a lot, but I don't think you've ever explained what you think a healthy NBA contracting system would look like, and I'd be interested to hear it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: etiolate on July 14, 2014, 04:50:11 AM
It's not a sincere question. It's not actually relevant to what I had said. It tries to reframe the conversation into something else to try to dismiss the person you aim to attack. Your baiting is pretty obvious. You're internet old and your tricks are tired.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Mandark on July 14, 2014, 04:56:52 AM
Um, okay?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Melo stays in NY, Gasol to Bulls, Ariza to Rockets)
Post by: Mandark on July 14, 2014, 05:10:21 AM
Quote from: Momo on July 13, 2014, 02:22:02 PM
Could someone explain why the draft system was chosen in american sports? Does it apply in your football too or are you following the European style there? I realise the biggest reason is franchises (probably) but i'd be interested to see why this was thought to be the best system.

This is basically it.  US sports are just organized radically differently from European soccer leagues.  Not just the draft, but salary caps, the lack of promotion/relegation, the league acting as a cartel that limits the number of teams, the threat of franchise relocation from city to city (yeah, I know about MK Dons, but still), the presence of high school and college sports as incubators, etc.

A draft wouldn't make sense if you implemented it in the EPL, but it fits in the broader scheme of what the NFL/MLB/NBA/NHL are trying to do.  Interestingly (or not!) the MLS has a draft for American players, but the draft has become less important as more academy-style youth development has been allowed/encouraged.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Momo on July 14, 2014, 05:28:46 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 14, 2014, 04:23:56 AM
et, what specifically is wrong with the rules that govern player movement?  What do you think the NBA's goals should be regarding player movement, and how should it achieve those goals?
I think allowing free-er flow of talent will end up making it more interesting to watch anyway

Quote from: benjipwns on July 14, 2014, 04:39:12 AM
Define "long term."  Is 64 or 43 years enough?
When your population shifts around more and they realize they cant have teams because franchises,
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Momo on July 14, 2014, 05:30:31 AM
I think the whole thing is counter-intuitive, especially in the land of freedums to have such a socialist system
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2014, 05:31:19 AM
I don't know the history of football too well, but just from the current organization I would speculate that it stems from basically local towns and villages creating teams to play other nearby ones. And that spun into the creation of all the different leagues, and within each country and so on.

American sports either because of competition among the sports or distances very quickly went to centralized models around either traveling teams or college sports and the leagues, at least the NBA, formed out of the traveling teams realizing it made more sense to have some home games and play regular opponents. And also copied the colleges setup of leagues.

The later recognition of the cartel system was that you could put together fewer but better teams with more stars on each. So that Rockford, Joliet, Springfield, Peoria, etc. no longer have to struggle to sustain teams that can compete with ones based in Chicago. The league then moved away from that as the cities are arguably less important institutions than the teams are.

The NBA is a late comer to the minor league system, MLB and NHL have used ones for sometime. The dominance of college sports has had a lot to do with that especially in basketball and handegg.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2014, 05:38:39 AM
Quote from: Momo on July 14, 2014, 05:28:46 AM
When your population shifts around more and they realize they cant have teams because franchises,
Well, the teams can move too. Many cities in the U.S. have some kind of minor league team in a number of sports, even the 100,000 pop type.

The real hurdle is that you have the powerful major leagues which are a cartel designed to limit the number of teams for various reasons. And then at the other end you have college sports which for many locations ARE their major/middle league sports. So you cut out the "middle class" of teams. And leave the ones that get like 500 fans to show up to some old arena built years ago.

To take Lansing, Michigan as an example, a minor league basketball or handegg team has to compete with the Michigan State University Spartans so they've never taken off. The Lugnuts baseball team took advantage of a general lack of interest in college baseball and has been the only really sustained minor league team in the city. (The stadium really helps probably.)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Mandark on July 14, 2014, 05:45:18 AM
I'd guess that football and basketball haven't traditionally had minor leagues because the college leagues predated the professional ones, as opposed to hockey and baseball.

That's kinda speculation, of course.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Mandark on July 14, 2014, 05:46:24 AM
A sort of interesting blog post (http://crookedtimber.org/2009/05/27/uk-vs-us-sports-leagues-a-little-industrial-organisation-analysis/) on the amount of US vs. UK sports teams (with the idea that American leagues are limiting the supply).
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: etiolate on July 14, 2014, 05:47:21 AM
Even the minor leagues are tied to franchises. There's not a AAA team that can move up to the majors. They're just farm systems for the major league franchise they are tied to.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2014, 06:16:32 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 14, 2014, 05:45:18 AM
That's kinda speculation, of course.
I think it's pretty good speculation. Other theories don't seem as cohesive.

I think one other key which I sorta mentioned but not clearly, is that in the U.S. it appears you have stronger competition between the four "major" sports (plus increasingly soccer) and when players reach a certain level they generally have to pick. If you just had everybody playing football I'd imagine there'd be much more of a support system for lower level teams all over outside of college.

NBA teams aren't just competing with each other for talent but also the NFL, MLB, etc. With foreign players they're competing with soccer to an extent, Hollinger was always fond of the theory that the lack of international point guards is due to soccer with the idea that usually a Tony Parker level athlete heads that path instead of staying with basketball.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 14, 2014, 07:16:01 AM
Quote from: bachikarn on July 14, 2014, 01:40:09 AM
It's funny. When the Cavs were looking for a new coach, didn't a lot of coaches turn them down? Bet that wouldn't have happened if they knew they were getting Lebron.

The biggest loser here is John Calipari, who turned down about 80mil/multi year contract and some GM powers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Mandark on July 14, 2014, 07:17:39 AM
That's plausible.  You can also flip it and say it's a glut of foreign big men, rather than a dearth of PG's.

I figure that someone has to start getting high-level coaching by a certain age (late teens?) to have a shot at playing at the pro level, and to get into the foreign academies or an NCAA scholarship they have to demonstrate at least some elite (for their cohort) skills.  For a 6'1" player, unless they have insane athleticism, they're going to have to show some serious proficiency in ballhandling, shooting, etc.  But big men?  Height is their elite skill.

So you get big men who started playing the game late, or who weren't really committed, while guards who wind up in the NBA tend to be guys who have played basketball fanatically since they were nine.  Which is sort of the reverse of the discussion in the soccer thread: in this case the US has much more of a street sport culture with basketball than Europe, at least so far.

Another fun link: An old New Yorker story (http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2003/12/01/031201fa_fact_hessler?currentPage=all) about Yao Ming and Chinese basketball.  The part that stuck with me:

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After our conversation, I wandered around the basketball courts of Shanghai’s No. 54 Middle School, where the Xuhui Sports School holds some of its practices. I watched a group of young girls performing basketball drills, then introduced myself to the coach, a tall woman named Tao Yanping.

...

The Chinese national team is notorious for its gruelling practice schedule—twice a day, six days a week. Fear shapes the routine; coaches know that they will be blamed if the squad loses, so they log countless hours and resist innovation. Before games, the Chinese men’s team warms up by conducting the same rudimentary ballhandling drills that I watched the third-grade girls perform in Shanghai.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 14, 2014, 07:17:51 AM
Etiolet: so you'd prefer if NBA teams could franchise players, like the NFL?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2014, 07:27:03 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 14, 2014, 07:17:39 AM
But big men?  Height is their elite skill.

So you get big men who started playing the game late, or who weren't really committed,
This is why the obscure foreign big man will always have a role as a draft and stash player. Resulting in a lot of the marginal U.S. talent to slip through out of the draft.

Which I remember Dick Vitale bitching about one year as if it was some kind of war crime for teams to bypass PROVEN FOUR YEAR SENIORS for guys with no vowels in their names.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Mandark on July 14, 2014, 07:40:04 AM
Vitale:  "It is OUTRAGEOUS that my meal ticket is being marginalized by foreigners and disrespectful kids going straight to the pros!"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: etiolate on July 14, 2014, 07:58:37 AM
I would prefer the NBA would give more even coverage. My point is that salary rules are neutered when players gain a lot via market value that doesn't count in the salary or cap situations. If a talented player felt they. Would get TV time in their drafted market then things could really change. This is the most mainstream coverage kevin love has gotten  and it has nothing to do with his current play. In fact he is not even playing right now. Its all due to the fact he may go play for a team the NBA and media may cover. If you can't figure out how that nullifies the good of salary rules than go fuck yourself.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 14, 2014, 08:21:22 AM
Kevin Love has received quite a lot of media coverage, before the Lakers/Cavs rumors. I barely watch NBA shit and I know that.

It shouldn't be surprising why the league focuses on stars though. You're not going to get people to care about a Bucks game unless they have a player you can sell. If Parker becomes a great player than I'd expect the team's current situation to improve. Likewise if the Kings were good, or had a star player (like they did in the early 00s) their situation would be better. I just don't see the point in expecting the league to treat teams "evenly" when no sport does that.

A better argument would be to give teams more power to help deter players from leaving, ie a franchise tag.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: bachikarn on July 14, 2014, 10:50:21 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 14, 2014, 07:16:01 AM
Quote from: bachikarn on July 14, 2014, 01:40:09 AM
It's funny. When the Cavs were looking for a new coach, didn't a lot of coaches turn them down? Bet that wouldn't have happened if they knew they were getting Lebron.

The biggest loser here is John Calipari, who turned down about 80mil/multi year contract and some GM powers.

Billy D turned them down too but not sure for how much. Paying Cal that much is so ridiculous though. He isn't that good of a coach, but an elite recruiter. That advantage is completely negated in the pros.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 14, 2014, 12:37:26 PM
NBA players already have infinite white women and cars, Cal wouldn't be effective at all.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: HiResDes on July 14, 2014, 01:25:07 PM
The East is pretty much completely up int he air now right And what was Houston thinking letting go of Parsons and Lin? Also Melo must not care about winning.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 14, 2014, 01:46:37 PM
Lin was a salary dump to clear room for Bosh. It just didn't work out that way. I don't think Parsons is worth 15 mil  a year unless he was part of a group where you are making a serious title run. I guess Morey decided this wasn't the year the Rockets were going to be capable of that after missing out on Melo and Bosh.

In all honesty I think these were the right moves for this specific situation.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 14, 2014, 01:50:37 PM
Shorter etoilet: "People don't want to live and play in Sacramento, and this makes me sad"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 14, 2014, 01:56:25 PM
I still can't believe the Lakers haven't hired a coach. It's so ass backwards. Might as well just let Kobe player/coach next season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 14, 2014, 02:02:15 PM
Also, request that Mandark change his tag to INTERNET OLD plz
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: etiolate on July 14, 2014, 02:10:09 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 14, 2014, 08:21:22 AM
Kevin Love has received quite a lot of media coverage, before the Lakers/Cavs rumors. I barely watch NBA shit and I know that.

It shouldn't be surprising why the league focuses on stars though. You're not going to get people to care about a Bucks game unless they have a player you can sell. If Parker becomes a great player than I'd expect the team's current situation to improve. Likewise if the Kings were good, or had a star player (like they did in the early 00s) their situation would be better. I just don't see the point in expecting the league to treat teams "evenly" when no sport does that.


A better argument would be to give teams more power to help deter players from leaving, ie a franchise tag.

Nobody does  coverage completely evenly, but the NFL does have every team shown each week. The NBA goes out of its way to feature a select few and exclude many.

You say if sac had a star? Cousins might be the best center in the game. In a bigger market he goes go to the all star game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 14, 2014, 02:25:00 PM
Quote from: etiolate on July 14, 2014, 02:10:09 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 14, 2014, 08:21:22 AM
Kevin Love has received quite a lot of media coverage, before the Lakers/Cavs rumors. I barely watch NBA shit and I know that.

It shouldn't be surprising why the league focuses on stars though. You're not going to get people to care about a Bucks game unless they have a player you can sell. If Parker becomes a great player than I'd expect the team's current situation to improve. Likewise if the Kings were good, or had a star player (like they did in the early 00s) their situation would be better. I just don't see the point in expecting the league to treat teams "evenly" when no sport does that.


A better argument would be to give teams more power to help deter players from leaving, ie a franchise tag.

Nobody does  coverage completely evenly, but the NFL does have every team shown each week. The NBA goes out of its way to feature a select few and exclude many.

You say if sac had a star? Cousins might be the best center in the game. In a bigger market he goes go to the all star game.

The NFL is significantly more popular than the NBA though, and regular season games actually matter. More importantly there is more parity in the league. Why would anyone watch a Kings or Bucks game at any point in the year, whereas in the NFL more often than not you're watching at least one team on the road to the playoffs.

Looking back at last season in terms of bad teams that got lots of TV presence...Washington comes to mind, but it's obvious why that was the case (RG3, plus no one expected them to be that bad). But you're not going to see a Tampa Bay Bucs v Buffalo Bills game get high billing, for instance.

Aren't all star games based on votes? I can see why a small market team would be at a disadvantage...but then again Kyrie Irving seems to be doing well for himself despite being in a worse market than Sactown.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 14, 2014, 02:52:35 PM
Oh boy. More of this NFLversus NBA horseshit. How fascinating!

 :goty2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: etiolate on July 14, 2014, 02:56:06 PM
Why would anyone watch a Jaguars game or a Dolphins game? Or the Rams? Because there's regional interest. The NBA doesn't give a fuck about regional interest. I do feel the league needs less games per season and the ability to feature more games. Take notes from the most popular league. Don't just look at what the NFL does and not even try to copy a thing or two. The NBA says to not care about these teams and so nobody does.

And only the starters are based on votes. The rest is coaches. I also hear the media talk about all the big men in the West and leave Cousins off their list nearly every time. When Mitch Richmond was here he was one of the best two players in the league and he was ignored until he won All-Star MVP.  And Kevin Love did not get that much attention in Minny. Rubio and Adleman kind of upped his exposure. He got some all-star games and that increased his talking head time in the press, but it still wasn't that much for what he was doing. Now I hear about Love every day, because he might change teams. I assure you the press is thinking "if he goes to a splotlight team then I'll cover him more."  If he was like LMA and everyone thought he'd be resigning in his small market? Good luck getting press clippings.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 14, 2014, 03:30:52 PM
Stoney: nothing of the sort, we're just comparing them while noting where it's apples and oranges. The NBA isn't on the NFL's level popularity wise, which makes TV comparisons hard.

The Bucks get regional coverage just like an NFL team does. The difference is that the audience is smaller, and no one cares about the Bucks whereas even small or bad NFL teams get good ratings; I should know, as a Lions fan.

If you want to fix the NBA's small market exposure problem, make games matter by cutting the bloated season, allow teams to franchise players, and get more games for national broadcast in the afternoon and evening. More Saturday and Sunday night games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: etiolate on July 14, 2014, 03:52:56 PM
Regional coverage in the NBA is tied to regional cable channels that are sort of disconnected from the central media outlet hub of the NBA. Don't feel it compares to the local network coverage the NFL or MLB does. The NBA's network coverage is terrible and it's best cable coverage is on the cable network not affiliated with the main broadcast partner of the NBA.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 14, 2014, 04:03:37 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 14, 2014, 03:30:52 PM
Stoney: nothing of the sort, we're just comparing them while noting where it's apples and oranges. The NBA isn't on the NFL's level popularity wise, which makes TV comparisons hard.

The Bucks get regional coverage just like an NFL team does. The difference is that the audience is smaller, and no one cares about the Bucks whereas even small or bad NFL teams get good ratings; I should know, as a Lions fan.

If you want to fix the NBA's small market exposure problem, make games matter by cutting the bloated season, allow teams to franchise players, and get more games for national broadcast in the afternoon and evening. More Saturday and Sunday night games.

We've had this discussion dozens of times. No offense. It's always brought up by etiolate. The form of the arguments change slightly but its the same discussion at its core.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Mandark on July 14, 2014, 04:39:45 PM
Quote from: etiolate on July 14, 2014, 02:56:06 PM
When Mitch Richmond was here he was one of the best two players in the league and he was ignored until he won All-Star MVP.

wut
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2014, 04:43:44 PM
Was Mitch Richmond ever one of the two best players in the Pacific Division?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 14, 2014, 05:10:41 PM
Seems like Lance is one of the last remaining "significant" guys left. But a lot of teams seem to already have made up their mind and chosen their direction. I have a feeling he is probably burning inside that he is worth that much less than players like Haywood and Parsons.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: etiolate on July 14, 2014, 07:44:42 PM
that should have been best two-way players
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Kara on July 14, 2014, 09:15:39 PM
Quote from: Momo on July 14, 2014, 05:30:31 AM
I think the whole thing is counter-intuitive, especially in the land of freedums to have such a socialist system

You shouldn't think of it as the S word so much as rigging the game to ensure you risk little and profit greatly. The current crop of dipshit small market owners basically think they should be entitled to year-over-year profit even though as a group they are generally incompetent at running their organizations.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2014, 11:46:27 PM
Quote from: Karakand on July 14, 2014, 09:15:39 PM
You shouldn't think of it as the S word so much as rigging the game to ensure you risk little and profit greatly.
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Kara on July 14, 2014, 11:53:47 PM
But I thought no one profited under socialism? (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/troll.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 14, 2014, 11:56:33 PM
https://vine.co/v/Mx9Fg3POT3m

They'd be nuts to trade this kid for Love. He has a lot of potential.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: benjipwns on July 15, 2014, 12:51:36 AM
Quote
"Honestly, I was offended by the whole process," Parsons told Yahoo Sports on Monday in a phone interview. "They publicly said that they were going out looking for a third star when I thought they had one right in front of them. I guess that's just how they viewed me as a player. I don't think I've scratched the surface of where I can be as a player and I think I'm ready for that role. You can't knock them for always trying to get better. [Houston general manager] Daryl Morey is very aggressive, is a genius, a great GM and I have nothing but respect for those guys. And they are looking to make their team better. That's what they were doing. I just thought I could be that guy that could do that."

"Throughout the whole process they pretty much told me they were going to match everything," Parsons said. "I understand it's a business. I understand they had to do what they thought was best for their organization. It definitely caught me off-guard a little bit."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 15, 2014, 01:22:16 AM
I can understand his perspective and he has every right to feel that way as a person. Especially when the franchise is saying those things to him. I think Parsons was a very good player and a steal on the old contract. We'll see about the new contract (I'm skeptical) and how he performs for the Mavericks but I'm sure Carlisle will get good use out of him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 15, 2014, 02:22:25 AM
Does anybody else forget that Flip Saunders wasn't an NBA player?

I feel like I'm always rediscovering that he wasn't some 6-4 bench warmer in the 1980's but a 5-11 dude who never played pro ball.

It helped when he was coaching the Pistons because he would be standing next to Billups or whoever in timeout huddles.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 15, 2014, 02:40:42 AM
Parsons will do well in Dallas, but dude is a fucking cunt.  Back in his UF days, a friend and I were playing golf one day and he happened to be walking off the course as we were about to start.  We were like "oh hey Chandler" without wanting to start a conversation (we were just "hey chandler, good game last week) and he came directly up to us and asked " WHERE DO YOU GO TO SCHOOL."  Since I had zero SEC ties, I just said Belmont and walked towards my bag to fake-look at my clubs, but my friend casually said Vanderbilt.  Parsons went on a cocktrip rant about how no one in the SEC could stop him and how Vanderbilt should be kicked out of the SEC.  My buddy just stood there listening too all of this.  When parsons finally walked away my buddy very vocally said to me "what an asshole." Parsons definitely heard it but didn't do anything.

Dude kinda reeks of dick but he's still a great player.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 15, 2014, 02:44:28 AM
I would have just kidded back with him. It doesn't sound that serious. But I wasn't there I guess.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bachikarn on July 15, 2014, 03:14:02 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 15, 2014, 02:40:42 AM
Parsons will do well in Dallas, but dude is a fucking cunt.  Back in his UF days, a friend and I were playing golf one day and he happened to be walking off the course as we were about to start.  We were like "oh hey Chandler" without wanting to start a conversation (we were just "hey chandler, good game last week) and he came directly up to us and asked " WHERE DO YOU GO TO SCHOOL."  Since I had zero SEC ties, I just said Belmont and walked towards my bag to fake-look at my clubs, but my friend casually said Vanderbilt.  Parsons went on a cocktrip rant about how no one in the SEC could stop him and how Vanderbilt should be kicked out of the SEC.  My buddy just stood there listening too all of this.  When parsons finally walked away my buddy very vocally said to me "what an asshole." Parsons definitely heard it but didn't do anything.

Dude kinda reeks of dick but he's still a great player.

Well trash talking is part of the fun of sports so maybe that's what he was doing or maybe he is just an asshole. I don't know when it happened, but he matured A LOT while he was at UF. Complete douche as a freshmen but I thought he was a lot better as a senior. And let's be real, 99% of professional athletes are huge dicks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 15, 2014, 01:19:07 PM
http://grantland.com/features/2014-nba-free-agency-winners-and-losers-houston-rockets-chandler-parsons/


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The Second Annual “Milwaukee Bucks WTF Are They Doing?” Award

This award was born one year ago, when the most common question I heard in chats with NBA executives in the stands at Summer League was some variation of “Man, I can’t figure out what Milwaukee is up to. Can you?”

4. Detroit: The Pistons chose the same route as the Lakers, only they already have at least one young star in Andre Drummond, and they spent much more conservatively on guys who fit actual needs in D.J. Augustin, Butler, and Meeks. The Lakers just threw random amounts of money at guys to fill a barren roster.

The Meeks contract is a puzzling overpay, but Stan Van Gundy wanted shooting, and he got it before the market could sink its fangs into Meeks. Van Gundy also has a record of turning subpar wing defenders into good system guys.

Detroit still has to figure out the Monroe situation, and Monroe’s camp is still making noise about possibly signing the one-year qualifying offer if Detroit doesn’t come with a max deal. But Detroit is still decently positioned going forward, and Van Gundy will have this team playing better this season.

3. Los Angeles Lakers: The Lin trade was a nice predatory move, but it’s unclear why they decided to toss so much money at Hill and Young instead of going hard for a young talent like Thomas, Stephenson, Lowry, or any number of restricted free agents. The Lakers are just filling the roster with short-term contracts until they land a star, and they couldn’t get any big names to bite this time around. If they don’t land Love next summer, who is the next realistic target?

The bright side: They have a shot at being bad enough to keep next year’s first-round draft pick, which they owe to Phoenix if it falls outside the top five.

2. Orlando: Mostly covered here. But I trust this front office over the long haul.

1. Sacramento: There will be more to come on this. No one outside the Kings’ brain trust can figure out what is up here.

 :heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on July 15, 2014, 02:43:48 PM
Yeah, the Kings have confused everyone. Watching their SL games, it looks like they want to change the offense into a more team oriented offense. The moves seem to be based on passing more often and pace. They skipped on Vonleh because they had poor assist #s from the PF spot and Vonleh has questionable BBall IQ. They were considering Stauskas or Payton, and went with Stauskas. Both improve passing on the team. Stauskas is actually pretty selective with his shots and can create for others, and will make the extra pass.

Not resigning IT and never planning to seems to do with IT's refusal to be a 6th man. They got Collison for pace and passing. DC isn't pass first or a great passer, but he can function within an offense without dominating the ball. He also gets into transition quickly and will pressure the other PG 3/4 court. RayMac can also pressure the PG. They want that to increase pace.

Their disinterest in IT was base don his wanting to be 'the man' and his tendency to dribble the ball.

Article on this: http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2014/7/13/5896453/passes-per-possesion-time-or-where-did-the-kings-ball-go-to-die

Team was last in the league in Assists per game and second to last in passes per minute. Isaiah Thomas was one of the worst guards in the NBA getting regular minutes at passes per minute at 7.763 while Collison was much higher at 11.528.

The question still is why they got nothing in return for IT who was a very good asset that they seemed to never have interest in starting. Why not trade him during the season for something valuable? Why trade him just for a Trade Exception? Oh, because you have a really high salary and are a 28 win team. The salary issues have some to do with Gay's contract and some of the bad contracts they inherited, but they did some Landry to a long contract at 5-6mil per for no good reason other than the coach wanted a familiar vet. Now they have tons of money tied up in PFs that they don't like and are right up against the luxury tax threshold. So what they could take back for IT was already limited by previous problems. They could have still taken something of worth back and cleared space by the trade deadline to avoid paying the tax, but they did not.

To me, that's the real mystery. What the hell they plan to do with all these PFs and what they do about their payroll. I can sort of see the plan/logic with IT to DC and Stauskas. The issue is that they need another shotblocker inside and are throttled by their PF salary problem.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on July 15, 2014, 04:24:03 PM
Man, I feel like we've had this discussion a million times about why Etiolate is confused why no one cares about the Kings.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 15, 2014, 05:34:30 PM
Quote from: http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/7/15/5902599/dirk-nowitzki-los-angeles-lakers-houston-rockets-max-contract
Dirk Nowitzki's new contract with the Dallas Mavericks is smaller than previously reported. Nowitzki will make $25 million over the next three years, according to Marc Stein of ESPN. That's $5 million less than what was previously reported. Nowitzki did it so that the Mavericks could sign Chandler Parsons to a three-year, $46 million contract to be the team's new starting small forward.

Stein also reports that Nowitzki had max contract offers on the table from the Los Angeles Lakers and Houston Rockets. Both franchises have failed to become major players in the free agent market after striking out on Carmelo Anthony.

Nowitzki's contract stands in opposition to the one the Lakers gave to Kobe Bryant (not that anyone should blame Bryant for accepting it). Bryant will be making about as much next season as Nowitzki will over the life of the three-year deal. Both players will be 36 years old next season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: naff on July 15, 2014, 06:24:40 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 15, 2014, 12:51:36 AM
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"Honestly, I was offended by the whole process," Parsons told Yahoo Sports on Monday in a phone interview. "They publicly said that they were going out looking for a third star when I thought they had one right in front of them. I guess that's just how they viewed me as a player. I don't think I've scratched the surface of where I can be as a player and I think I'm ready for that role. You can't knock them for always trying to get better. [Houston general manager] Daryl Morey is very aggressive, is a genius, a great GM and I have nothing but respect for those guys. And they are looking to make their team better. That's what they were doing. I just thought I could be that guy that could do that."

"Throughout the whole process they pretty much told me they were going to match everything," Parsons said. "I understand it's a business. I understand they had to do what they thought was best for their organization. It definitely caught me off-guard a little bit."

:lol Why so salty? He got a great deal and he's better suited to Dallas - Dirk will show him how to be man.

Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 15, 2014, 04:14:38 PM
Quote from: etiolate on July 14, 2014, 04:50:11 AM
It's not a sincere question. It's not actually relevant to what I had said. It tries to reframe the conversation into something else to try to dismiss the person you aim to attack. Your baiting is pretty obvious. You're internet old and your tricks are tired.

Mandark is still an extremely crafty veteran. While he's been surpassed by guys like Phoenix Dark, Esch, and Pigeon (on GAF), just as Kobe was eventually surpassed by LeBron and KD, he can still be a top 10 guy in our league on nights where everything is clicking.

(http://www.chimpout.com/forum/images/smilies/lick.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 15, 2014, 06:55:35 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 15, 2014, 04:14:38 PM
Quote from: etiolate on July 14, 2014, 04:50:11 AM
It's not a sincere question. It's not actually relevant to what I had said. It tries to reframe the conversation into something else to try to dismiss the person you aim to attack. Your baiting is pretty obvious. You're internet old and your tricks are tired.

Mandark is still an extremely crafty veteran. While he's been surpassed by guys like Phoenix Dark, Esch, and Pigeon (on GAF), just as Kobe was eventually surpassed by LeBron and KD, he can still be a top 10 guy in our league on nights where everything is clicking.
Mandark just plays the right way.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 15, 2014, 07:07:43 PM
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Bulls say goodbye to Carlos Boozer. Have used amnesty provision. Teams will be able bid for him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 15, 2014, 09:22:10 PM
The Man Who Sold The World
Daryl Morey’s greatest fleecing as a GM? Selling the media and public on Daryl Morey.
https://medium.com/the-cauldron/the-man-who-sold-the-world-3df16d8b754a

A Coli poster wrote this. Haven't read it but he has had some interesting college basketball articles before.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 15, 2014, 10:26:10 PM
A bit too much hyperbole for my tastes. I think the idea of the article is fine. It's just like the writer had a big axe to grind.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 16, 2014, 02:25:46 AM
I think Boozer was the last amnesty candidate standing?

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Free agent Mike Miller has committed to take a less lucrative deal with the Cleveland Cavaliers to rejoin LeBron James, a source close to the situation told ESPN.com.

Miller was offered a three-year deal worth $12 million by the Denver Nuggets, but instead opted for a two-year deal worth $5.5 million in which the veteran shooter has a player option following next season.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11219276/nba-jerseys-now-feature-gold-tabs-collars-indicate-teams-won-titles

 :kobeyuck

http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/11220961/shabazz-napier-says-know-how-unfollowed-lebron-james-twitter

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 16, 2014, 06:29:37 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11221796/lance-stephenson-charlotte-hornets-3-year-27-million-deal
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Lance Stephenson has signed a three-year, $27 million deal to play for the Charlotte Hornets, according to league sources.

The deal was signed early Wednesday morning after Hornets owner Michael Jordan, general manager Rich Cho and coach Steve Clifford met with Stephenson and his representatives Tuesday night in Las Vegas.

The contract, which includes a team option for the final season, ends Stephenson's productive yet volatile stay with the Indiana Pacers.

The Pacers offered Stephenson a five-year, $44 million contract on July 1. But Stephenson, who led the league in triple-doubles, felt the offer undervalued him.

Indiana was unwilling to increase its offer.

Like many teams, the Hornets, while fans of Stephenson's play, had concerns about his antics and attitude. But sources say those concerns were alleviated in Tuesday's face-to-face meeting.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 16, 2014, 06:39:26 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsouZ9zCIAAoMOP.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on July 16, 2014, 08:04:02 AM
well derp, already posted
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on July 16, 2014, 08:27:48 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brtJtcSVLYY
(http://i.imgur.com/M4fx4P6.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 16, 2014, 08:43:58 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 16, 2014, 06:29:37 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11221796/lance-stephenson-charlotte-hornets-3-year-27-million-deal
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Lance Stephenson has signed a three-year, $27 million deal to play for the Charlotte Hornets, according to league sources.

The deal was signed early Wednesday morning after Hornets owner Michael Jordan, general manager Rich Cho and coach Steve Clifford met with Stephenson and his representatives Tuesday night in Las Vegas.

The contract, which includes a team option for the final season, ends Stephenson's productive yet volatile stay with the Indiana Pacers.

The Pacers offered Stephenson a five-year, $44 million contract on July 1. But Stephenson, who led the league in triple-doubles, felt the offer undervalued him.

Indiana was unwilling to increase its offer.

Like many teams, the Hornets, while fans of Stephenson's play, had concerns about his antics and attitude. But sources say those concerns were alleviated in Tuesday's face-to-face meeting.

Good signing for Charlotte. That isn't a bad contract relative to what others are getting.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 16, 2014, 09:31:24 AM
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Carmelo Anthony's new five-year contract with the New York Knicks is worth $124 million, $5 million less than the maximum, according to ESPN New York sources.

Anthony's contract also includes a rare no-trade clause and has an early termination option after the fourth year, according to league sources.

Anthony was eligible to sign a contract for a maximum of $129 million but agreed to a deal worth $5 million less to give the Knicks more financial flexibility to pursue free agents in future summers.

lol.

Look I'm not saying he shouldn't make as much as he can. That's what we all would do. I'm generally on the player side during this stuff. But 5 million over 5 years isn't allowing for "flexibility".  I'm not sure why that part is even reported.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on July 16, 2014, 09:52:27 AM
I could've sworn that I read that the 5 million was for the 2nd year alone so they can chase another max contract player (Marc Gasol) next offseason.

Anyone know anything about this Jason Smith dude that the Knicks signed?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 16, 2014, 10:20:44 AM
Quote from: Beezy on July 16, 2014, 09:52:27 AM
I could've sworn that I read that the 5 million was for the 2nd year alone so they can chase another max contract player (Marc Gasol) next offseason.

That makes a bit more sense then.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 16, 2014, 10:32:43 AM
Marc Gasol with Melo  :leon

that's a pretty nasty SF/C combo
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on July 16, 2014, 08:24:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW7UT3CLydA
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Kara on July 16, 2014, 09:18:02 PM
Quote from: Your Stalker on July 16, 2014, 08:27:48 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/M4fx4P6.png)

:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on July 16, 2014, 09:23:49 PM
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BstWP1oIQAAokjN.jpg#twimg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 17, 2014, 12:15:39 AM
Quote from: Your Stalker on July 16, 2014, 09:23:49 PM
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BstWP1oIQAAokjN.jpg#twimg)

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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 17, 2014, 12:29:14 AM
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The NBA submitted an official proposal to reform the lottery this week at competition committee meetings in Las Vegas, pushing aside the Wheel idea in favor of a revised weighting system that shifts each team’s odds of getting the top pick, per several sources who have seen and reviewed the league’s proposal.

The proposal, which dominated the lottery-reform discussion in league meetings this week, is essentially an attempt to squeeze the lottery odds at either extreme toward a more balanced system in which all 14 teams have a relatively similar chance at the no. 1 pick, per sources familiar with the proposal.

Under the current system, the team with the worst record has a 25 percent chance of snagging the no. 1 pick, perhaps the most valuable asset in the entire NBA. The team with the second-worst record has a 19.9 percent chance of winning the no. 1 pick, and the third-worst team enters the lottery with a 15.6 percent chance of moving up to the top slot. The odds decline from there, with the final five teams in the lottery — the teams with the five best records — each having a 1.1 percent or worse chance of moving up to no. 1.

The league’s proposal gives at least the four worst teams the same chance at winning the no. 1 pick: approximately an identical 11 percent shot for each club. The odds decline slowly from there, with the team in the next spot holding a 10 percent chance. The lottery team with the best record will have a 2 percent chance of leaping to the no. 1 pick, up from the the minuscule 0.5 percent chance it has under the current system.

The proposal also calls for the drawing of the first six picks via the Ping-Pong ball lottery, sources say. The current lottery system actually involves the drawing of only the top three selections. The rest of the lottery goes in order of record, from worst to best, after the top-three drawing is over.

The league could implement lottery reform as early as next season, though there are many hurdles to overcome before then. And it’s important to note that the league has kicked around several different proposals with varying weights; the 11 percent figure for the first teams is not universal among those proposals, sources say.

The goal of this initial proposal is obvious: to prevent out-and-out tanking among the league’s very worst teams for the no. 1 pick. Equalizing the odds for the five worst teams, and giving the next few clubs odds very close to that 11 percent chance, goes a long way toward removing the incentive to race toward the bottom. That slice of the reform targets team’s like last season’s Sixers and the 2011-12 Bobcats, both of which rather blatantly constructed rosters designed to be as bad as possible in those particular seasons. The end goal was a 25 percent chance at the top pick. The NBA’s proposal would grant such teams just an 11 percent shot at it, merely a hair better than the chances for mid-rung lottery teams that, in some seasons, are at least within spitting distance of the playoff race after 40 or so games.

By keeping the odds for the very best lottery teams on the low side — just 2 percent — the league is working to avoid building in any incentive for a team chasing the no. 8 spot to tank out of the playoffs. That is the league’s fear about a lottery system that gives all 14 teams an equal shot — that teams with a real chance at a bottom-rung playoff spot would instead ease out of the race with an eye on a top draft pick. And that’s a legitimate concern, since having seven-game series in the first round minimizes the chance of a no. 8 seed pulling off an upset. As I’ve written before, all of these issues are intertwined — lottery odds, the playoff system, the salary cap structure, and hard feelings between big- and small-market teams.

Two early concerns about the league’s proposal have already emerged:

1. The timing of implementation. Teams that have constructed short-term building plans under the current rules will likely oppose any attempt to change those rules midstream. The Wheel proposal, submitted to the league by Mike Zarren, the Celtics’ assistant general manager, called for instituting the Wheel only after all draft picks that have already been traded actually move between the trading partners. Due to the protections on some future first-round picks that have been traded, implementation would have waited at least a half-dozen years. (The Wheel is detailed here.)

2. There are already burbling concerns that a restructured odds system will encourage some late-season tanking among teams all over the lottery. Teams clustered around the middle of the lottery may begin jockeying for a top-five position, or to move up from, say, no. 12 to no. 9.

There is concern that such teams might hold out star players in late-season games, and that we might even see some repeats of the infamous Mark Madsen game, in which the Timberwolves in their 2006 season finale allowed Madsen to jack 3-pointers in an embarrassing attempt to maximize their odds of losing. A loss in that game gave Minnesota a much greater chance of keeping its own pick in the forthcoming draft.

The Wheel proposal is more complex, and it has gained significant support from some powerful people around the league. It took a backseat this week as the competition committee focused more on the league’s favored proposal.

The discussion is still in its early stages, and there are more proposals floating around from team officials. Those ideas could get more air time, and the league could always tweak its own proposal or put forth another. But it’s clear that Adam Silver is serious about tweaking the lottery system, possibly as early as next season. It’s important that the league examine all unintended consequences before instituting a revamped lottery. This is gonna get interesting, fast.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nba-lottery-reform-is-coming/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 17, 2014, 11:24:40 AM
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LAS VEGAS -- The Indiana Pacers have agreed to terms with free agent guard Rodney Stuckey on a one-year deal, according to multiple reports.

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The Los Angeles Lakers agreed to terms with free agent forward Ed Davis on Wednesday.

It is a two-year deal worth $2 million, a league source confirmed to ESPN.com's Ramona Shelburne. The 6-foot-10, 250-pound Davis has a player option on the second year.

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OAKLAND, Calif. -- Brandon Rush and the Golden State Warriors have agreed to a two-year contract.

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The Washington Wizards have acquired veteran forward DeJuan Blair in a sign-and-trade deal with the Dallas Mavericks.

Dallas acquired the rights to Emir Preldzic, a 2009 second-round draft pick, in exchange for Blair.

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The Orlando Magic are finalizing an agreement with free-agent point guard Luke Ridnour, sources told ESPN.com.

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The Detroit Pistons and the Sacramento Kings have resumed trade discussions on a deal that could send Josh Smith to Sacramento, according to sources with knowledge of the talks.

Sources told ESPN.com the Kings have continued to express interest in Smith and the parties are on the hunt for a third team that could help facilitate the deal.

...

Sources said the Pistons also seriously discussed various sign-and-trade scenarios this month that would have landed restricted free agent Greg Monroe in Portland, but the Blazers ultimately pulled themselves out of the race for Monroe by signing free-agent big man Chris Kaman to join Robin Lopez in the Blazers' center rotation.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 17, 2014, 03:52:11 PM
Smith for Boogie, make it so
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 17, 2014, 05:15:56 PM
http://www.morningjournal.com/sports/20140717/cleveland-cavaliers-now-willing-to-include-wiggins-in-kevin-love-trade-offer?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on July 17, 2014, 05:22:07 PM
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/11229606/carlos-boozer-join-los-angeles-lakers

lakers could be wonderfully dysfunctional
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 17, 2014, 05:33:22 PM
Josh Smith is horrible and seemingly can't be coached.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pierce to Wiz, Deng to Heat, Parsons to Mavs)
Post by: Himu on July 17, 2014, 05:45:18 PM
Quote from: HiResDes on July 14, 2014, 01:25:07 PM
And what was Houston thinking letting go of Parsons and Lin?

I've asked this question everyday since last week. The Houston Chronicle still hasn't gotten over the Parosns breakup and are making daily Pls. rockets. stahp. :stahp posts in their blog and in the paper. People are getting tired of it even though they agree. Rockets fan emotions vary between apathetic and rofling (me) to delusional "we didn't need parsons anyways" (my dad) to agitated and angry (my friend)

I love to hate on this teams management! :lol

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on July 17, 2014, 07:21:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DUiOM9JkQQ
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on July 17, 2014, 08:17:17 PM
Lebron wants Love in Cleveland. Wiggins out? :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 17, 2014, 08:22:53 PM
Bennett has looked good in summer league :leon

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:heh
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I'd still trade Wiggins for Love with no hesitation. The goal should be to win now. A big three of LeBron+Irving+Love will get you to the finals. Add in some decent bench players and 3 point specialists and they might even beat the Spurs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 18, 2014, 12:58:09 AM
Personally I'd wait to see what you have. You can always trade during the season if that is something you want to do. I'd like to see what the current incarnation of the cavs could do. If that is not enough then pull the trigger then.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on July 18, 2014, 01:19:44 AM
Unless another team gets Love before then.  I think both teams should pull the trigger on that deal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 18, 2014, 01:38:13 AM
Love + Varejao, what an awful defensive front court  :lol

Should be a pretty gnarly offense though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 18, 2014, 01:38:33 AM
Well however I feel about it, it seems like things are moving towards this reality.


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Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA  ·  6h
LeBron James has reached to tell Kevin Love of his desire for them to play together with the Cavaliers, front office sources tell Yahoo.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--lebron-james-tells-kevin-love-he-wants-him-in-cleveland-004328084.html

In other news

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The Los Angeles Lakers have acquired Carlos Boozer on amnesty waivers, calling him "an established veteran and a proven All-Star who will be a welcome addition to our team."

Nine teams with cap space were able to make a blind bid to pick up the remaining portion of Boozer's $16.8 million deal with the Chicago Bulls. The Lakers won with a bid of $3.25 million, sources told ESPN.com's Marc Stein.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on July 18, 2014, 01:54:23 AM
Love's already a top player, and even if Wiggins becomes one, it's probably not happening until at least his third year.  LeBron's 30 with a ton of mileage, and while he's a genetic freak and apparently a fitness maniac, I don't think they should be erring on the side of patience here.

Acquiring veterans to build a winner around LeBron didn't work out this time, but I think Love's a bit better than Donyell Marshall and Larry Hughes were.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Kara on July 18, 2014, 03:16:46 AM
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The Los Angeles Lakers have acquired Carlos Boozer on amnesty waivers, calling him "an established veteran and a proven All-Star who will be a welcome addition to our team."

:heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 18, 2014, 04:02:49 AM
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Yannis Koutroupis
‏@YannisNBA
Warriors now willing to give up Klay Thompson for Kevin Love, who would exercise option for '15-16 if traded there

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/love-willing-to-exercise-option-if-traded-to-warriors/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 18, 2014, 09:46:43 AM
There are of course conflicting reports about whether that Warriors story is true but I'm sure both the Cavs and the Warriors don't want to over-show their hands.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 18, 2014, 05:17:13 PM
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@JoelEmbiid

Cannan is talking smack to my boy Wiggins
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@JoelEmbiid

My boy had a nice game though
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@JoelEmbiid

His stroke looked better to me
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@JoelEmbiid

Pause

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@JoelEmbiid

Ain't gonna get fined..... I said pause the movie
:dead

Embiid's twitter is surreal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on July 18, 2014, 05:24:24 PM
pause game on point
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on July 18, 2014, 05:28:01 PM
:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 18, 2014, 07:22:10 PM
Even I thought his latest Lebron column was a bit much
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on July 19, 2014, 02:43:45 AM
http://rubechat.kfan.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=279082

 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Kara on July 19, 2014, 05:55:32 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 18, 2014, 05:54:04 PM
God, the Cavs and Wolves might put me in the godawful situation of being morally obligated to root against a Bruin :fbm

You can't do that breh.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 20, 2014, 12:35:34 AM
Bulls signing Aaron Brooks to be the latest PG whose career they revive?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 20, 2014, 03:53:07 AM
lol. probably true though with their track record.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on July 20, 2014, 05:57:50 AM
they should probably try to revive their franchise PG's career first
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 21, 2014, 03:22:57 AM
Preview of next season.  ;)

Me against my brother.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3FqsV8Lt7I&list=UUOu74G0_bCjL61XjHIm4DtA


Ultimate Base Roster

 :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 21, 2014, 10:03:01 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 18, 2014, 01:54:23 AM

Acquiring veterans to build a winner around LeBron didn't work out this time, but I think Love's a bit better than Donyell Marshall and Larry Hughes were.

To be fair, the 2.0 version of that plan was Antwan Jamison, Mo Williams and Shaq. There was no real other option for the Cavs to realistically add in that time frame. But that team was still a regular season juggernaught, just couldn't defend the 3 in the playoffs.

I do wonder how history might have changed if Boozer didn't stab the Cavs in the back and bolt for Chicago.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on July 21, 2014, 11:08:37 PM
Summer League Champs! Hang the banner!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 22, 2014, 09:14:34 PM
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The Cleveland Cavaliers made a deal to increase their trade asset flexibility in pursuit of Minnesota Timberwolves All-Star forward Kevin Love, absorbing three non-guaranteed contracts in a trade with the Utah Jazz on Tuesday, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

The Cavaliers unloaded the guaranteed deal of Carrick Felix – along with a future second-round pick and $1 million – for John Lucas, Malcolm Thomas and Erik Murphy, sources said.

Cleveland has been determined to acquire Love since it signed LeBron James to a free-agent deal.

Those three players can be included in packages as preludes to a Love deal, or in a Love deal itself to give Minnesota salary-cap relief. The Cavaliers hold an interest in keeping Thomas, who could be an inexpensive role player to strengthen their frontcourt depth, sources said.

Cleveland has to be creative in solidifying a deal for Love, who the Timberwolves want to package with Kevin Martin and J.J. Barea, several front-office officials told Yahoo Sports.

Cleveland's discussions with Minnesota have escalated with the Cavaliers' willingness to include No. 1 overall pick Andrew Wiggins in the deal, sources said. Without Wiggins, there's no other combination of Cleveland players and picks that would interest Minnesota. Once Wiggins signs his rookie contract, a trade involving him can't be formally completed for 30 days.

The Denver Nuggets have remained a strong contender for Love, offering a package that sources said has been the most appealing to Minnesota outside of the Cavaliers and a possible Golden State deal including Klay Thompson. So far, the Warriors have kept Thompson out of their offer to Minnesota.

Minnesota wants a package for Love to include Barea, who has $4.5 million left on his expiring deal – and possibly Martin, who has three years and $21 million left. As part of a larger deal, the Cavaliers want to include 2013 No. 1 overall pick Anthony Bennett and a future No. 1 pick for Love.

The Cavaliers have been offering future first-round picks for an experienced center, league sources said.

Love has demanded a trade before the start of next season, threatening to opt-out of his contract in July 2015 to sign elsewhere as a free agent.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--cavs-looking-for-trade-parts-for-deal-for-kevin-love-185536749.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Brehvolution on July 23, 2014, 09:41:18 AM
The way Wiggins has been playing in summer league, I'd keep him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 23, 2014, 02:52:02 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on July 21, 2014, 10:03:01 AM
I do wonder how history might have changed if Boozer didn't stab the Cavs in the back and bolt for Chicago.
I think history would be really different and interesting if like five years were just eliminated from existence as if they didn't happen.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 23, 2014, 03:18:33 PM
No, you don't. You secretly want to relive those Chris Paul and Dwight Howard sagas all over again.

For basketball reasons.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 23, 2014, 04:54:19 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY67JWtMa_s
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on July 23, 2014, 05:21:37 PM
He still won't answer the question.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 23, 2014, 05:52:36 PM
We are still waiting for Vlade's answer.

 :jawalrus
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on July 23, 2014, 06:04:10 PM
His answer was they wouldn't call offensive fouls on Shaq, so he sold it with flops.

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“Whenever you overdo something, it’s time to stop it,” Divac told NBCSports.com. “So I think it’s a great decision by the NBA. But everyone is saying that’s my rule; that’s not my rule. That’s Shaq’s rule.”

Wait, you think Shaq started it?

“No, I started it because of Shaq, because they didn’t want to call fouls,” Divac said. “So that’s not my rule, that’s Shaq’s rule.”


Enjoy that L Stoney.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on July 23, 2014, 08:00:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0Y4TS3pCF4

Oladipo is pretty awesome.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2014, 08:12:36 PM
lol @ her gently shutting his hug down.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Brehvolution on July 24, 2014, 11:08:11 AM
http://deadspin.com/frank-caliendo-reads-lebrons-letter-in-morgan-freemans-1610122169
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 25, 2014, 12:08:51 AM
Not NBA related, but here's a video of Dirk playing baseball for charity:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JFbMGZm7-k
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on July 25, 2014, 12:16:59 AM
Romo hiding in the dugout as the Manager. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA off-season thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2014, 07:49:47 PM
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The Los Angeles Lakers have offered their head-coaching job to Byron Scott, according to league sources.

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LAS VEGAS -- Carmelo Anthony said it was not the money, but instead his confidence in team president Phil Jackson and his belief that the New York Knicks "aren't that far away from contending for an NBA title," that made him opt to remain in New York instead of signing with the Chicago Bulls.

"I want to win. I don't care about the money," Anthony told ESPN.com. "I believe Phil will do what he has to do to take care of that.

"I don't think we're that far away," he added. "People use 'rebuilding' too loosely."
Title: Re: The NBA off-season thread
Post by: etiolate on July 25, 2014, 07:53:23 PM
Your coach is Derek Fisher. Your second best player is Bargs. In the west you'd be looking up at Melo's former team the Nuggets.

Title: Re: The NBA off-season thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 28, 2014, 01:02:01 AM
http://instagram.com/p/q-RFlQnNrD/
Title: Re: The NBA off-season thread
Post by: Your Stalker on July 28, 2014, 01:17:27 AM
https://vine.co/v/M0z3DHt5m5Q
Title: Re: The NBA off-season thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 28, 2014, 12:10:18 PM
Was that the WNBA D-league?

Title: Re: The NBA off-season thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 28, 2014, 06:19:49 PM
Judge just ruled against Sterling, Clips can be sold.

Also lol at all this LeBron jersey number stuff. And asking Jordan if it's okay.  :jawalrus
Title: Re: The NBA off-season thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 28, 2014, 06:55:24 PM
Has anyone written article arguing that LeBron's flip flop on the jersey number is a rooted in him growing up without a father in the home?
Title: Re: The NBA off-season thread
Post by: Mandark on July 28, 2014, 10:29:13 PM
Most likely suspects for a column like that are busy explaining that we can't judge Ray Rice without knowing what his fiancee did to provoke him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling loses defense. Sale can proceed to Ballmer)
Post by: benjipwns on July 30, 2014, 01:52:03 PM
Nice article on the amazing power of Kyle Korver: http://grantland.com/features/kyle-korver-nba-atlanta-hawks/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling loses defense. Sale can proceed to Ballmer)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 30, 2014, 03:16:51 PM
http://deadspin.com/76ers-ask-nba-to-delay-anti-tanking-measures-until-they-1613426518

 :sabu
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling loses defense. Sale can proceed to Ballmer)
Post by: etiolate on July 30, 2014, 03:55:46 PM
Tanking isn't the problem. It's a symptom of the limited options to compete for non-major markets.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling loses defense. Sale can proceed to Ballmer)
Post by: Steve Contra on July 30, 2014, 04:01:04 PM
Yeah, like the Spurs :hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling loses defense. Sale can proceed to Ballmer)
Post by: Mandark on July 30, 2014, 04:05:20 PM
As a small, backwater community, Philadelphia has to tank and build through the draft.  They can't try to compete in free agency with big, glamorous cities like Cleveland.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling loses defense. Sale can proceed to Ballmer)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 30, 2014, 05:36:42 PM
Quote from: etiolate on July 30, 2014, 03:55:46 PM
Tanking isn't the problem. It's a symptom of the limited options to compete for non-major markets.

Nicca just admit the Kings fucking suck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling loses defense. Sale can proceed to Ballmer)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on July 30, 2014, 05:40:31 PM
If anything it's the symptom of incredibly poor management/foresight combined with politics within the franchise.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling loses defense. Sale can proceed to Ballmer)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 30, 2014, 06:17:17 PM
Philly is a nice, big city that just has a bad team right now. They have the pieces to be good in the future, IF the health gambles on Nerlens Noel and Embiid work out.

Even "small market" places like Milwaukee did well at one point (Glen Robinson days). I think the issue is moreso about small market teams acquiring and keeping talent, and I continue to believe the best way to do that is to introduce some type of franchise tag
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling loses defense. Sale can proceed to Ballmer)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 30, 2014, 07:09:42 PM
It is kind of funny that everything bad is a symptom of a rigged system again the kings rather than the kings just sucking from bad ownership and management.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling loses defense. Sale can proceed to Ballmer)
Post by: benjipwns on July 30, 2014, 07:12:10 PM
I still don't understand why anyone cares about tanking. Or thinks that it's at some crisis point.

What are the Sixers/Celtics/Magic/etc. supposed to be doing?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling loses defense. Sale can proceed to Ballmer)
Post by: etiolate on July 30, 2014, 07:32:33 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on July 30, 2014, 04:01:04 PM
Yeah, like the Spurs :hitler

Two Hall of Fame #1 Draft Picks, both of which are persons with the type of character to stay in a small market. Extremely rare case that can't be replicated without extreme luck. You might as well argue for Lebron going to Cleveland as being a sign that smaller markets can compete in Free Agency.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling loses defense. Sale can proceed to Ballmer)
Post by: Kara on July 30, 2014, 08:07:19 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 30, 2014, 07:12:10 PM
I still don't understand why anyone cares about tanking. Or thinks that it's at some crisis point.

What are the Sixers/Celtics/Magic/etc. supposed to be doing?

Tanking is the best, nothing but scrubs jacking up shots trying to pad their stats and get a MLE (or greater) contract from a team with horrible ownership and management while prospects languish and do not develop their game. :aah

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YOUR LOS ANGELES LAKERS, EVERYONE

Noodles Nick Young jacking up shots like he's Cedric Ceballos for a season. :stahp :stahp :stahp
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: benjipwns on July 30, 2014, 08:24:24 PM
In that case you get the best of both worlds:
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Nick Young is set to return to the Los Angeles Lakers, his agent confirmed to ESPN.com's Jeff Goodman.

Young's deal is for four years, with the fourth year being a player option, agent Mark Bartelstein confirmed. According to a source, the deal is worth $21.5 million.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 01, 2014, 10:39:43 PM
Paul George just broke the shit out of his ankle.  Fucking FIBA.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 01, 2014, 10:40:45 PM
Oh, not ankle...his whole fucking leg.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: benjipwns on August 01, 2014, 10:45:00 PM
A bit like Kevin Ware, so don't go looking for the video/pictures unless you're into that kind of thing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 01, 2014, 10:46:09 PM
that pic...fuck

Reminds me of that horrible injury in the Louisville game a couple years ago.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: TEEEPO on August 01, 2014, 10:46:52 PM
i don't think he'll be recovering from that  :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 01, 2014, 10:47:54 PM
Absolutely sick to my stomach.  Paul was one of my favorite players.  This is heartbreaking.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: TEEEPO on August 01, 2014, 10:48:52 PM
oh fuck, i just watched the gif and spotted a piece of bone

i don't even feel like going out tonight. the east just got way more shitty
:fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 01, 2014, 10:56:57 PM
Fuck this gay earth
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 01, 2014, 10:58:04 PM
It's very similar to the Kevin Ware injury except the camera caught the bone shooting out. Fuck.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: Himu on August 01, 2014, 10:58:07 PM
There's a basketball World Cup? :obama Color me interested.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: benjipwns on August 01, 2014, 10:58:10 PM
That might just kill off this version of the Pacers.  :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 01, 2014, 11:08:25 PM
Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 01, 2014, 10:58:07 PM
There's a basketball World Cup? :obama Color me interested.

There is, but it's basically been USA, Yugoslavia, Spain, and Russia these last 20 years
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: benjipwns on August 01, 2014, 11:08:54 PM
Argentina.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 01, 2014, 11:10:32 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on August 01, 2014, 11:08:54 PM
Argentina.

Why are they paying basketball players instead of balancing the deficit
*wrings hands while kicking a soccer ball*
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 01, 2014, 11:17:47 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on August 01, 2014, 11:08:54 PM
Argentina.

That one time in japan
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: benjipwns on August 01, 2014, 11:18:14 PM
I always assumed other countries just enslaved their players.

Which is why America sometimes loses, because we choose Freedom over Winning.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: Himu on August 01, 2014, 11:18:41 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on August 01, 2014, 11:08:25 PM
Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 01, 2014, 10:58:07 PM
There's a basketball World Cup? :obama Color me interested.

There is, but it's basically been USA, Yugoslavia, Spain, and Russia these last 20 years

So is there a bigger deal this time?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 01, 2014, 11:19:38 PM
Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 01, 2014, 10:58:07 PM
There's a basketball World Cup? :obama Color me interested.

They need to bring the short shorts back from the early 90s and before.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 01, 2014, 11:25:18 PM
It's a forgone conclusion it'll be USA v Spain

Irving/Harden/Thompson/Durant/plumlee

V.

Rubio/Calderon/Claver/gasol/gasol

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 01, 2014, 11:26:17 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on August 01, 2014, 11:24:19 PM
Of course it's always outstanding players who play the right way and never Dwight or LeBron.

I've met you and I like you and all, but fuck off with this dude.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: benjipwns on August 01, 2014, 11:29:28 PM
Some people are probably regretting all the stuff they said about Kevin Love recently.

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j/k no they aren't
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on August 01, 2014, 11:33:10 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on August 01, 2014, 10:58:10 PM
That might just kill off this version of the Pacers.  :-\
Evan Turner killed off this version of the Pacers
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: benjipwns on August 01, 2014, 11:36:13 PM
I thought they had added some decent enough pieces this offseason to stay at the top, especially with the Heat deconstructing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: etiolate on August 01, 2014, 11:54:23 PM
That George injury made me yelp out loud. There's gotta be a way to move those supports further back.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling loses defense. Sale can proceed to Ballmer)
Post by: Mandark on August 02, 2014, 12:14:40 AM
Paul George.  :(

The East.  :(

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 30, 2014, 06:17:17 PM
Even "small market" places like Milwaukee did well at one point (Glen Robinson days). I think the issue is moreso about small market teams acquiring and keeping talent, and I continue to believe the best way to do that is to introduce some type of franchise tag

I hate the idea of a franchise tag, where a player is punished for doing their job well.

It's also a solution looking for a problem.  Teams already control their draftees for 7-9 years, and have the rules tilted in their favor (allowed to offer more money/years to their own players than other suitors can) after that.  Some cities are going to be generally more appealing to young, rich men than others, but the actual flow of players hasn't been a mass exodus to NY/LA/Chicago.  The idea that players give discounts to those teams and make up the difference in endorsement deals is basically a fantasy.  The Knicks and Nets have had to pay top dollar for their "stars" and take on some pretty awful value and risks over the years (ie the max deals for Joe Johnson and D-Will, and the uninsurable contracts for Amar'e and Eddy Curry).

Though the change that's probably going to happen and rustle the hell out of my jimmies is an extra year on the age limit.  silvur pls
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling loses defense. Sale can proceed to Ballmer)
Post by: benjipwns on August 02, 2014, 12:17:34 AM
Quote from: Mandark on August 02, 2014, 12:14:40 AM
Though the change that's probably going to happen and rustle the hell out of my jimmies is an extra year on the age limit.  silvur pls
I wonder if anyone has delved into the impact that could have on the NBDL.

You can get away with a one-and-done who's borderline academically and "not paid", it probably gets harder at two years and beyond.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on August 02, 2014, 12:18:11 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on August 01, 2014, 11:36:57 PM
Evan Turner is one of the most overrated human beings of all time.
But he totally made that one shot in college remember?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVLWsHjVu9Y
In a RIVALRY game no less, in the POSTSEASON no less. I mean, sure MICH/OSU means shit outside of a football stadium and that was just a conference quarterfinal and they did lose in the Sweet Sixteen to 6th seeded Tennessee whose best player was a sophomore Scotty Hopson, but...that shot still went in ya know?

Quote from: benjipwns on August 01, 2014, 11:36:13 PM
I thought they had added some decent enough pieces this offseason to stay at the top, especially with the Heat deconstructing.
You've heard this a million times, but the sheer mediocrity of the East means they can't do any worse than a 5 seed w/o George. Indiana is a relatively well put together team w/ proven management chops and a general idea of direction and identity, that is so much more than the rest of their conference can say it isn't even funny. I still see them in that 2-5 range with Washington/Chicago/either Brooklyn or Miami, all of the aforementioned have a chance of getting to the ECF imo.

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That 2010 Tennessee team had two transfers from Arizona following Olson-leave-of-abscence-gate. Bruce Pearl, ever the opportunist... (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/leon.png)
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: benjipwns on August 02, 2014, 12:23:44 AM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on August 02, 2014, 12:18:11 AM
But he totally made that one shot in college remember?

In a RIVALRY game no less, in the POSTSEASON no less. I mean, sure MICH/OSU means shit outside of a football stadium and that was just a conference quarterfinal and they did lose in the Sweet Sixteen to 6th seeded Tennessee whose best player was a sophomore Scotty Hopson, but...that shot still went in ya know?
Plus he averaged like almost a triple double! And swept all the awards!

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As a 22 year old Junior...
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on August 02, 2014, 12:23:54 AM
Real talk, w/ how Rose looked tonight, this really opens the door for Chicago, they are the clear front-runners for that 2 spot
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on August 02, 2014, 12:26:54 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on August 02, 2014, 12:23:44 AM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on August 02, 2014, 12:18:11 AM
But he totally made that one shot in college remember?

In a RIVALRY game no less, in the POSTSEASON no less. I mean, sure MICH/OSU means shit outside of a football stadium and that was just a conference quarterfinal and they did lose in the Sweet Sixteen to 6th seeded Tennessee whose best player was a sophomore Scotty Hopson, but...that shot still went in ya know?
Plus he averaged like almost a triple double! And swept all the awards!

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As a 22 year old Junior...
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Plus plus he was taken 2nd overall!

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In a lottery that featured Wesley Johnson, Ekbe Udoh, Cole Aldrich, Xavier Henry, Ed Davis, Al-Farouq Aminu and Patrick Paterson
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: benjipwns on August 02, 2014, 12:30:38 AM
Michael Beasley is somehow four months younger than Evan Turner.

Hell, almost the entire 2008 lottery is around the same age.  :lol

Wesley Johnson was even better, a 23 year old three weeks after the Draft! But, "THE POTENTIAL!"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2014, 12:52:26 AM
Beasley was such a beast
:tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: benjipwns on August 02, 2014, 01:07:30 AM
https://twitter.com/Hoya2aPacer/statuses/495397548648316929
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Roy HibbertVerified account
‏@Hoya2aPacer

Wtf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: benjipwns on August 02, 2014, 01:16:59 AM
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@WojYahooNBA
Owners and GMs united tonight: Paul George injury could be tipping point for use of stars in international play. "Game-changer," GM told me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling loses defense. Sale can proceed to Ballmer)
Post by: Mandark on August 02, 2014, 01:36:24 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on August 02, 2014, 12:17:34 AM
You can get away with a one-and-done who's borderline academically and "not paid", it probably gets harder at two years and beyond.

You'd think so, but they seemed to do okay before the last two decades, and college football just vacates a title every few years and otherwise gets along fine.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: benjipwns on August 02, 2014, 01:42:32 AM
Yeah, but now there's a much stronger overseas market, and a legitimate minor league. I wonder if the "prestige" of the NCAA's, especially the tournament, is going to be able to hold it for guys who won't want to wait two years.

Then again, lots of college chicks to bang.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sterling loses defense. Sale can proceed to Ballmer)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2014, 01:43:54 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on August 02, 2014, 12:17:34 AM
Quote from: Mandark on August 02, 2014, 12:14:40 AM
Though the change that's probably going to happen and rustle the hell out of my jimmies is an extra year on the age limit.  silvur pls
I wonder if anyone has delved into the impact that could have on the NBDL.

You can get away with a one-and-done who's borderline academically and "not paid", it probably gets harder at two years and beyond.

guess you aren't familiar with the states of Alabama, Ohio, California (USC), North Carolina, and Kentucky. Hell, throw the entire SEC in the mix. These guys aren't going to class for 2-3 years while getting PS4s from boosters.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: benjipwns on August 02, 2014, 01:49:17 AM
But what about when President Scott Walker slashes higher education spending and the universities have to tighten their belts?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: Mandark on August 02, 2014, 01:50:58 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on August 02, 2014, 01:49:17 AM
But what about when President Scott Walker slashes higher education spending and the universities have to tighten their belts?

Well then they'll have to go to Europe, probably.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: Mandark on August 02, 2014, 01:52:17 AM
Oops, never mind, I was thinking of liberal arts majors.  The players will just keep getting paid by the boosters.  We're good.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: Mandark on August 02, 2014, 02:31:15 AM
Thanks?

Anyways, the NDBL doesn't have an age minimum, but I think the NBA would rather have the NCAA's around as a de facto farm system which provides its own marketing and will produce rookies with public recognition.  I feel like China and Europe won't be major factors until there's at least one test case that turns out really well, with the player increasing their stock, saying good things about the experience, etc.  Brandon Jennings' experience was mixed at best, IIRC.

Weird how this is like a bizarro version of the US soccer development discussions.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team selection for FIBA World Cup)
Post by: Mandark on August 02, 2014, 02:39:18 AM
no
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Paul George suffers gruesome injury. Done for the season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 02, 2014, 12:40:19 PM
I refuse to watch the video of the injury so haven't seen it yet.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Paul George suffers gruesome injury. Done for the season)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2014, 01:02:00 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on August 02, 2014, 12:40:19 PM
I refuse to watch the video of the injury so haven't seen it yet.

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@MarkJonesESPN: All you need to know about seriousness of Paul George's injury is I'm looking at Kyrie Irving sobbing in his Dad's arms

.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Paul George suffers gruesome injury. Done for the season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 02, 2014, 01:05:10 PM
Unfortunate timing because there was already a move from people like Cuban to not allow NBA players into these international competitions. As someone who grew up with the original dream team, I've always loved professional participation in this stuff. I would be a lot less likely to watch college kids do it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Paul George suffers gruesome injury. Done for the season)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2014, 01:24:56 PM
Larry Bird said it best, he could have suffered that injury at any time, in any game; he could have come down like that while training in the summer or playing a pick up game. Most catastrophic injuries occur during regular season or playoff play.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Paul George suffers gruesome injury. Done for the season)
Post by: Beezy on August 02, 2014, 01:27:54 PM
Exactly. Overreacting because of this one injury and pulling superstars from international play is stupid.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Paul George suffers gruesome injury. Done for the season)
Post by: etiolate on August 02, 2014, 02:34:21 PM
I do wonder if this will cause the USA team to switch styles. They basically play Pitino style college ball. Fast pace, high pressure D.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Paul George suffers gruesome injury. Done for the season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 02, 2014, 05:47:09 PM
Pacers are really screwed now with no lance stephenson either.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Paul George suffers gruesome injury. Done for the season)
Post by: Your Stalker on August 05, 2014, 04:20:10 AM
lebron lookin skinny
(http://photos-d.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xfa1/10598480_518281528271835_437591317_n.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Paul George suffers gruesome injury. Done for the season)
Post by: Beezy on August 05, 2014, 08:09:45 AM
Any predictions on how this will change his game?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Paul George suffers gruesome injury. Done for the season)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 05, 2014, 11:37:55 AM
Probably means he'll play closer to his actual position as SF instead of the hybrid power forward he was playing in Miami.  Makes sense -- Cleveland will have the second best power forward in the game come September.  Man, Cleveland's offense is gonna be killer.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Paul George suffers gruesome injury. Done for the season)
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 05, 2014, 11:51:12 AM
As somebody who has been watching the Cavs for the last 4 years, I'm most interested in how Thompson/Waiters will perform with Lebron around.

 The 'lazy sports take' is that Lebron makes everyone better, but that's not actually the case for all players. So, it will be interesting to me to see if Waiters can still thrive as the 4th option on offense or Thompson can actually become a solid role player down low (ala Andy Varejao 6 years ago).

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 05, 2014, 10:21:07 PM
Chad Ford's already posted a 2015 Mock Draft.  :lol

Based it on the "ESPN EXPERTS" predictions of the team finishes.

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Paul George suffers gruesome injury. Done for the season)
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 05, 2014, 10:54:12 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on August 05, 2014, 11:37:55 AM
Probably means he'll play closer to his actual position as SF instead of the hybrid power forward he was playing in Miami.  Makes sense -- Cleveland will have the second best power forward in the game come September.  Man, Cleveland's offense is gonna be killer.

Hmm, I wonder who the Cavs could be planning having at PF?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 05, 2014, 11:35:07 PM
whoosh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Paul George suffers gruesome injury. Done for the season)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 06, 2014, 12:16:19 AM
Quote from: Your Stalker on August 05, 2014, 04:20:10 AM
lebron lookin skinny
(http://photos-d.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xfa1/10598480_518281528271835_437591317_n.jpg)

I didn't know LeBron bought a house in Virgina.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 06, 2014, 11:03:43 PM
Cavs look like they're gonna sign Marion and Possibly Billups.

Not a center to be seen...

This team is gonna be so bad at defense.  Maybe dieng is included in the Love deal?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on August 07, 2014, 04:07:07 AM
I feel Minny would be stupid to give up Dieng.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 07, 2014, 09:28:59 AM
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--cavaliers-have-agreement-to-acquire-kevin-love--who-commits-to-staying-in-cleveland-054657392.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 07, 2014, 11:01:34 AM
Kind of amazing work that the Cavs have done with failing upwards. Despite all the poor choices they made, they should have their ticket punched to the ECF at the least.

I don't think the East is any better, but it's sure going to be more interesting this season compared to the last one.



Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 07, 2014, 11:02:09 AM
So:

Kyrie/Dellevadova
Waiters/Miller/Allen?
Lebron/Marion
Love/Thompson
Varejao/hopefully some corpse that plays defense

Not a bad team, not bad at all.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 07, 2014, 11:04:13 AM
I'd almost rather see Waiters play as Kyrie's back up and give more minutes to Miller and Allen instead. Waiters could become a lethal 6th man.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 07, 2014, 11:11:57 AM
Miller played all 82 games last season and had his best year of his career.  I'd be okay with that, too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 07, 2014, 12:12:33 PM
Hindsight being 20/20, how good would've Nerlens Noel fit on this Cavs team instead of taking Bennett?  I wonder what tangible value Bennett even had in this trade.

 It's almost like the Cavs threw him in just so they don't have to waste time/resources trying to develop him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2014, 02:03:59 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on August 07, 2014, 01:52:26 PM
Can Kevin Love retroactively be made a USC alum?

I know someone who got into USC's law school with a <3.0 GPA.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on August 07, 2014, 02:05:38 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2014, 02:03:59 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on August 07, 2014, 01:52:26 PM
Can Kevin Love retroactively be made a USC alum?

I know someone who got into USC's law school with a <3.0 GPA.
Were they black?  #liberalsaretherealracists #waronwhites
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2014, 02:14:31 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on August 07, 2014, 02:05:38 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2014, 02:03:59 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on August 07, 2014, 01:52:26 PM
Can Kevin Love retroactively be made a USC alum?

I know someone who got into USC's law school with a <3.0 GPA.
Were they black?  #liberalsaretherealracists #waronwhites

Nope, white son of an alumni
 :PP
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 07, 2014, 04:13:38 PM
Cavs just need a back-up center. I like Varejao but he's an injury magnet. And the corpse of Brendan Haywood as a backup ain't gonna cut it.


Also I'm pretty sure awesome-o has been masturbating furiously to this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnB9bvud6IU
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Kara on August 07, 2014, 04:17:31 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on August 07, 2014, 02:17:34 PM
Rooting hard against a Bruin is going to be awful. :fbm

Hey man whenever they try and get me to come back to school they send me an advertisement that says "once a Bruin, always a Bruin."
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 07, 2014, 05:25:06 PM
http://deadspin.com/dan-le-batard-suspended-two-days-for-trolling-lebron-wi-1617809190?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+deadspin%2Ffull+(Deadspin)


lol

Le Batard has one of the few sports radio shows I can tolerate listening to.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on August 07, 2014, 05:28:10 PM
They should suspend him a few extra days for that font abuse :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 07, 2014, 05:31:37 PM
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn120/Golbleen/thatsthejoke.jpg)

(https://fbexternal-a.akamaihd.net/safe_image.php?d=AQCv-cTmAu_FM691&w=470&h=246&url=http%3A%2F%2Fa.espncdn.com%2Fi%2Fsportsnation%2F2014%2F0707%2Fsn_gilbertletter_kd_576_1392.png&cfs=1&upscale)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on August 07, 2014, 05:34:22 PM
I stick to my statement
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on August 07, 2014, 07:47:45 PM
Kevin Durant pulling out of Team USA.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 07, 2014, 07:49:05 PM
Wow. That's weird. I wonder why
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 07, 2014, 07:55:12 PM
I hate to be that guy but I wonder if there is more going on here. Really inconvenient time to do it and he was easily the best player on the roster.

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Oklahoma City Thunder star Kevin Durant will not play for Team USA in the FIBA World Cup later this summer in Spain, citing mental and physical exhaustion.

"This was an extremely difficult decision as I take great pride in representing our country," Durant said in a statement. "I know that I owe it to my USA Basketball teammates to be totally invested in the experience. After going through training camp with USAB, I realized I could not fulfill my responsibilities to the team from both a time and energy standpoint."I need to take a step back and take some time away, both mentally and physically in order to prepare for the upcoming NBA season. I will be rooting for USAB and look forward to future opportunities with them.

In a statement, USA Basketball said Durant called chairman Jerry Colangelo and coach Mike Krzyzewski to deliver the news.

"Kevin … expressed that he is just physically and mentally drained from the NBA season and his attention to his many responsibilities," Colangelo said. "He tried to give it a go at our recent Las Vegas training camp but felt coming out of camp that he was not prepared to fulfill the commitment he made to the team.

"Coach K and I fully support Kevin. His well-being is the most important thing to us and we support him taking the time to get ready for next season. He's been part of the National Team program for eight years and a big part of the success we have achieved, and we look forward to him being part of our success in the future as well."

Durant was on Team USA's 2010 world championship and 2012 London Olympics gold medal teams. He announced last summer that he planned to anchor the roster this year, too.

His departure could have a major affect on a severely depleted frontcourt. Small forward Paul George was injured in an exhibition last week, while power forwards LaMarcus Aldridge and Kevin Love pulled out previously.

USA Basketball is adamant Durant's decision has nothing to do with George's devastating injury sustained last week in an exhibition game. Thunder teammate Russell Westbrook also pulled out of the event, citing his knee injuries last season.

Durant likely would have split his time between the two positions, starting at small forward. Now Team USA's best options there are first-timers Gordon Hayward, Chandler Parsons and Kyle Korver, none of whom have made NBA All-Star teams. Anthony Davis, a 21-year-old, is the only All-Star frontcourt player left for Team USA, unless Love decides to play now that his trade to the Cleveland Cavaliers is agreed upon.

The USA has not lost in a major tournament since Krzyzewski took over as head coach, winning the 2008 Beijing Games before the 2010 world championships in Turkey and the 2012 Olympics. That could be tested now.

If the USA does not win the World Cup, it will have to qualify for the 2016 Rio Olympics next summer in a FIBA Americas event.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant withdraws from FIBA team)
Post by: etiolate on August 07, 2014, 08:04:43 PM
I think with so many others dropping out like KLove and George being lost to injury, that he felt he was going to have to lead and carry a team with little international experience. Curry, Lilliard, Parsons, etc are all roughly new to the deal.

Question now is does Team USA shift styles? They no longer have their stretch 4s. I don't believe Hayward really cuts it there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant withdraws from FIBA team)
Post by: benjipwns on August 08, 2014, 02:37:06 AM
Quote
Dallas Mavericks guard Raymond Felton has been suspended for the first four games of next season after pleading guilty to gun charges in New York while a member of the Knicks, the NBA announced Thursday.
So much for the Mavs season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant withdraws from FIBA team)
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 08, 2014, 08:45:46 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 17, 1974, 07:44:30 PM
Le Batard has one of the few sports radio shows I can tolerate listening to.

I've been listening to him for the past month now. It's been great.

Sucks that he was suspended over it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant withdraws from FIBA team)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 08, 2014, 11:52:13 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3svPkthjWcM
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant withdraws from FIBA team)
Post by: Kara on August 08, 2014, 12:14:53 PM
:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant withdraws from FIBA team)
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 08, 2014, 12:17:48 PM
Clearly we need to build a fence along the Canadian border. Their icky culture is corrupting our citizens.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant withdraws from FIBA team)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 08, 2014, 08:14:20 PM
Just read this on reddit:

Quote
Imagine [Cavs] being down 2, 20 seconds to go with Irving,Allen,Miller,James,Love on the Floor........

:lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant withdraws from FIBA team)
Post by: Kara on August 08, 2014, 10:17:35 PM
Just remember it's a sports team in Cleveland and you'll be fine.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant withdraws from FIBA team)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 09, 2014, 07:08:42 AM
Quote
Team USA has secured the services of Sacramento's Rudy Gay to join roster and compete for FIBA World Cup spot

 :shaq
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on August 09, 2014, 11:41:53 AM
Well there's their small ball four.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 09, 2014, 11:52:19 AM
Awesome-o's salt next season is gonna be incredible to behold
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant withdraws from FIBA team)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 09, 2014, 01:31:18 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on August 08, 2014, 08:14:20 PM
Just read this on reddit:

Quote
Imagine [Cavs] being down 2, 20 seconds to go with Irving,Allen,Miller,James,Love on the Floor........

:lawd

lemme guess, LeBron would pass the ball with 0.4 seconds to go, thus resulting in the next player throwing up a hurried shot and missing.

*high fives Awesom-O*
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 11, 2014, 12:17:32 AM
http://instagram.com/p/rdhopDgFYR


 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on August 11, 2014, 12:22:53 AM
we all read clickhole as dickhole


Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 13, 2014, 06:10:47 AM
Quote
The Toronto Raptors have been fined for comments rap star and team ambassador Drake made about Kevin Durant at a recent concert that the NBA deemed a violation of its anti-tampering rules.

The fine is for $25,000, sources with knowledge of the league's ruling told ESPN.com on Monday.

Durant, who attended Drake's show last week in Toronto, was the subject of what the league regarded as a public recruiting pitch from the famed Canadian artist, who was named the Raptors' global ambassador in September 2013.

"Before we leave, I just want to show one of my brothers something," Drake told the crowd. "You know, my brother Kevin Durant was kind enough to come to the show tonight and watch us. I just want him to see what would happen if he came to play in Toronto. Let him know what would happen."

The Oklahoma City Thunder star and reigning NBA MVP then received an ovation from the crowd, which reportedly launched into a "KD" chant.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 15, 2014, 07:54:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AZg89sPpKk
skip to 6:37 mark

trigger warning: might want to stay away, Awesom-O.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 18, 2014, 05:24:55 PM
http://instagram.com/p/r2R8wdAHOm/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 18, 2014, 05:55:06 PM
Pretty tame by Ballmer standards, really

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/8/18/6033547/new-clippers-owner-steve-ballmer-goes-nuts-at-rally
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 18, 2014, 05:59:36 PM
lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 18, 2014, 06:06:57 PM
Shawn Marion signing with the Cavs

next week, Steve Nash will sign with the Cavs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2014, 06:13:30 PM
I'm getting cable for the NFL season and thus will also be watching more NBA ball than normal. Should be fun getting to see TNT broadcasts again, Charles and the gang...

And now that Joe Dumars is gone I'll be watching the Pistons.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 18, 2014, 06:35:29 PM
enjoy your josh smith fuckball
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 19, 2014, 12:51:41 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2014, 06:13:30 PM
I'm getting cable for the NFL season and thus will also be watching more NBA ball than normal. Should be fun getting to see TNT broadcasts again, Charles and the gang...

And now that Joe Dumars is gone I'll be watching the Pistons.

I like Stan Van Gundy (as a person), I hope he turns it around there.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 19, 2014, 01:07:38 PM
act like the Lakers never signed ring-chasing veterans, brehs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T234 on August 19, 2014, 03:32:25 PM
That year they had the 1995 All-Star Team was pretty cool.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 19, 2014, 03:33:43 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on August 19, 2014, 12:58:16 PM
I'm so sick of LeBron always getting an All Star supporting cast built around him for pennies. Fucking ring chasing cowards with no pride.

(http://lakers.topbuzz.com/gallery/d/440-1/kobe-malone-shaq-payton-174979_480_art_R0.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 19, 2014, 03:47:06 PM
Thankfully LeBron will get his teammates involved and won't hijack things, unlike Kobe who destroyed the Lakers chances of winning that series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 20, 2014, 05:02:45 PM
(http://cdn-jpg.si.com/sites/default/files/2014/08/19/kobe_bryant_si_cover.jpg)

 :shaq
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Kara on August 20, 2014, 05:25:51 PM
THEN FUCKING RETIRE
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on August 20, 2014, 05:47:29 PM
:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 20, 2014, 05:50:43 PM
"my second best player is nick young"

 :holeup
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 20, 2014, 10:19:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHrygsvvQ48
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 20, 2014, 10:24:05 PM
But he only needs 6688 more points!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 21, 2014, 03:36:49 AM
Quote
Kevin Durant's representation Roc Nation Sports informed Nike on Wednesday that he has a deal on the table with Under Armour worth between $265 million and $285 million over 10 years, sources told ESPN.com.

The deal includes Under Armour stock and other incentives, such a community center built in his mother's name, whose exact worth will not be known for some time.

Nike, which saw its signature business related to the Oklahoma City Thunder forward grow to roughly $175 million at retail last season, will have the right to match, which is a condition of Durant's current contract with the brand. Durant can still choose Nike if it doesn't match but can't legally choose Under Armour if Nike does.

Nike's last offer, sources said, would have given Durant a base and a minimum royalty guarantee that would equal no less than $20 million a year.

If Under Armour wins the services of Durant, it would be the largest sponsorship deal the company has ever committed to. The average of $26.5 million to $28.5 million means that Under Armour would be devoting nearly 10 percent of its current annual marketing budget on him. Although Under Armour has given investors guidance that it might hit $3 billion in revenues this year, only about 1 percent of that is from basketball shoes.

Because Under Armour has such a small basketball business, the company has to guarantee Durant his money up front, instead of the typical shoe deals that offer a minimum guarantee plus up to 5 percent royalty on the wholesale revenues. Michael Jordan, for example, made more than $100 million last year from Nike largely from royalties on sales of his Jordan brand.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 21, 2014, 10:33:58 AM
You wonder if these companies lean on these players and ask them to move to a bigger market when they become free agents. I bet they do.



Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Brehvolution on August 21, 2014, 01:40:33 PM
I'd like to see what these companies could offer athletes if they had to pay those Indonesians a decent wage. Would it only be $225M instead of $285M?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 21, 2014, 03:41:28 PM
http://instagram.com/p/r9-r3xxh6_/

I like that you get to see another side during these games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on August 21, 2014, 04:02:17 PM
are you trying to win me over with boogie videos
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 21, 2014, 04:19:28 PM
Quote from: etiolate on August 21, 2014, 04:02:17 PM
are you trying to win me over with boogie videos

He seems like a fun dude. A bit of an asshole. But a fun dude nevertheless.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 22, 2014, 11:34:29 PM
That would be fucking hilarious
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 22, 2014, 11:45:17 PM
Timberwolves would be dumb to do the eric bledsoe thing. Bledsoe is a good player. But he is what he is. His potential isn't as high as wiggins.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 23, 2014, 04:56:03 AM
Quote
USA Basketball has decided to drop Damian Lillard, Chandler Parsons, Kyle Korver and Gordon Hayward from its roster for the FIBA World Cup in Spain.

Quote
Named as members of the official 2014 USA Basketball World Cup Team were: DeMarcus Cousins (Sacramento Kings); Stephen Curry (Golden State Warriors); Anthony Davis (New Orleans Pelicans); DeMar DeRozan (Toronto Raptors); Andre Drummond (Detroit Pistons); Kenneth Faried (Denver Nuggets); Rudy Gay (Sacramento Kings); James Harden (Houston Rockets); Kyrie Irving (Cleveland Cavaliers); Mason Plumlee (Brooklyn Nets); Derrick Rose (Chicago Bulls); and Klay Thompson (Golden State Warriors).
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team USA final roster)
Post by: benjipwns on August 23, 2014, 08:46:42 AM
Supposed to be announced at some point today:
Quote
Known pieces of the three-team trade between Cleveland, Minnesota and Philadelphia (note: trade cannot be official until Aug. 23 at 12:01 a.m. ET:

Cleveland gets: Kevin Love from Minnesota

76ers get: Mbah A Moute, Alexey Shved and a future first-round pick (likely Miami's 2015 first-rounder via Cleveland)

Minnesota gets: Andrew Wiggins, Anthony Bennett and Thaddeus Young
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 23, 2014, 01:45:54 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on August 22, 2014, 07:47:46 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11394176/phoenix-suns-offer-eric-bledsoe-minnesota-timberwolves-kevin-love-deal (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11394176/phoenix-suns-offer-eric-bledsoe-minnesota-timberwolves-kevin-love-deal)

Quote
With just hours to go before a planned megadeal the would send Kevin Love to Cleveland, the Phoenix Suns reached out to the Minnesota Timberwolves on Thursday to ask once more about the possibility of acquiring Love in a sign-and-trade for guard Eric Bledsoe, sources told ESPN.com.

Please let this happen.

AWESOME-O ARE YOU OK

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/the-timberwolves-announce-the-long-expected-kevin-love-trade-in-a-newspaper-ad--photo-163715680.html

ARE YOU OK AWESOME-O
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team USA final roster)
Post by: etiolate on August 23, 2014, 01:48:22 PM
Other than Lebron, the Cavs look pretty bad defensively. Varejo is alright but Kyrie and Love have been bad defenders for years.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team USA final roster)
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 23, 2014, 01:49:37 PM
Yeah, that's gonna be the only thing that holds them back. But, still better than the Lakers... or the Kings.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team USA final roster)
Post by: etiolate on August 23, 2014, 02:07:32 PM
I wonder if they'll try to add another defensive big. I am not sure what they have left to offer though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team USA final roster)
Post by: Kara on August 23, 2014, 03:33:47 PM
He was only a one and done. :larry

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Once a Bruin, always a Bruin. :wag
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team USA final roster)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on August 23, 2014, 05:04:28 PM
Remember how good that 07-08 UCLA team was? Remember when Chris Douglas-Roberts dropped 28 on them in the Final Four?

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Me either :larry
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team USA final roster)
Post by: Kara on August 23, 2014, 05:12:51 PM
Scrub out in the Final 4 when your starting 5 contains 2 NBA all-stars and 2 other NBA players brehs.

:stahp
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team USA final roster)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 23, 2014, 05:15:36 PM
Remember when Shabazz Muhammad was going to lead UCLA to the promised land?

:sabu
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team USA final roster)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on August 23, 2014, 06:18:00 PM
Quote from: Karakand on August 23, 2014, 05:12:51 PM
Scrub out in the Final 4 when your starting 5 contains 2 NBA all-stars and 2 other NBA players brehs.

:stahp
Remember this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FP0ua5xFw4
I remember that being the first youtube video that really had everyone (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/krs.png)

The whole Pac that year was (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/wow.png). Lopez twins in Palo Alto; Orange Juice Mayonnaise at USC; even Arizona, finishing like 19-12, 7th in conference play and losing in the first round of the conference tournament got a bid to the dance (their OCC schedule included Memphis, Kansas and a Texas A&M with an underclassman Deandre Jordan (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/wow.png)). The resulting hangover after that explosion ensured the conference wouldn't get back on its feet for another five years.

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Pretty sure that was the year Oregon State went 0-fer in conference play (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/pachah1.png)
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Which prompted them to hire first brother-in-law Craig Robinson :ohhh
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team USA final roster)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 23, 2014, 06:23:51 PM
Cavs have Marion, so the defense won't be AS bad as it was...erm, without Marion?

Fuck it though, Cavs now have the potential to have the best offense in the league.  Great passing, fantastic shooters.  So much shooting.  I wanna call them the Second Amendment.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team USA final roster)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 23, 2014, 09:43:28 PM
Final Comment on the Love trade.

One of the rare big trades that makes relative since for both sides. While I would have been fascinated to see if Wiggins could turn into a great complement for Lebron and basically extend the Cavs team window to a decade long dynasty, I understand the concept/pressure of winning within Lebron's superstar window.

Minnesota gets a chance at a younger star. They get to reset the expectations on their franchise so nobody will be mad at them for sucking in the near term. And they still get to amass decent picks over the next couple of years as they struggle to reach relevance.


Kinda surprised the US team went with so many bigs instead of the three point shooters not that klay and curry won't provide plenty of that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 25, 2014, 01:35:09 PM
@beezy
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Here’s NBA Player Lance Stephenson’s Version Of ‘Hot N*gga’
http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2014/08/lance-stephenson-hot-ngga/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=lance-stephenson-hot-ngga
:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on August 25, 2014, 10:21:04 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 25, 2014, 01:35:09 PM
@beezy
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Here’s NBA Player Lance Stephenson’s Version Of ‘Hot distinguished black fellow’
http://www.xxlmag.com/distinguished black fellow/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=lance-stephenson-hot-distinguished black fellow
:dead
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Lance Stephenson is taking his game from Indiana to Charlotte after signing with the Bobcats in the offseason
:beli
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Team USA final roster)
Post by: benjipwns on August 26, 2014, 02:32:29 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on August 23, 2014, 09:43:28 PM
Kinda surprised the US team went with so many bigs instead of the three point shooters not that klay and curry won't provide plenty of that.
They basically said they're afraid of Spain and Brazil.

And they've got Harden too. I think the only thing that's really hurt them is somebody like Durant/Melo are so good at that international play PF. Rudy Gay is kinda questionable on that front. Maybe DeRozan can do some of that somehow. I thought Milsap would have been an ideal guy for that role.

Faried is the odd man really, but Coach K loves him to death. And I guess he's more than physical enough to play most of the bigs out there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 26, 2014, 01:42:41 PM
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/bucks/larry-drew-admits-to-being-blindsided-by-way-he-was-fired-by-bucks-b99336446z1-272649931.html

Yep. Bugged me the way this went down. Very sleazy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 26, 2014, 02:00:19 PM
Yeah, but when you can get head coach Jason Kidd...
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 27, 2014, 10:44:23 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11415027/glen-taylor-minnesota-timberwolves-says-cleveland-cavaliers-not-best-bet-kevin-love

I love how these billionaire owners get all catty when they get spurned.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on August 28, 2014, 07:38:24 PM
http://sinosphere.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/stephon-marbury-the-musical-a-tale-of-making-it-in-beijing/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0

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The mutual love affair between Marbury, 37, and his adopted home of Beijing will reach a new milestone this fall when “I Am Stephon Marbury,” a musical about his life in China, opens in the capital with Marbury on stage, playing himself.

...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 30, 2014, 11:59:07 AM
World cup starts today. USA plays Finland at 3:30 on ESPN.

Most of the other games are being televised on ESPN2 or 3.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: etiolate on August 30, 2014, 04:26:53 PM
Finland goes entire 2nd quarter without a basket. Still not a general fan of the lack of structure in offense for the National team's style, but their defense is ridiculous.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: benjipwns on August 30, 2014, 05:58:34 PM
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At this point, NBA peers have given up trying to draw human comparisons to Davis. When he entered the league, we heard a lot of Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett parallels. But after facing off against Davis last week, Brazilian big man Néné told NBA.com whom Davis reminded him of.

"Dhalsim," Nene said. "The Street Fighter. Like a cartoon. With both hands. He was catching everything. Yeah."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 02, 2014, 11:54:55 AM
Watching my first game of Team USA basketball. They are playing New Zealand.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 02, 2014, 12:13:34 PM
My takeaway so far. Kyrie looks great. Anthony Davis looks great. And Faried is made for international basketball with that motor and the smaller size of the big men.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 02, 2014, 03:16:05 PM
(http://giant.gfycat.com/GrouchyGrandioseAmericanshorthair.gif)

The fucking arm length on Anthony Davis.

 :ohhh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: etiolate on September 02, 2014, 09:03:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDucvQYlWj4
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: benjipwns on September 02, 2014, 09:51:42 PM
I really like the FIBA team being younger and stuff. They just look to be having more fun playing all together.

The problem with the 2002, 2004 and 2006 teams wasn't that they were too young.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 02, 2014, 10:52:51 PM
Dragic is fucking killing it in the cup.  70% shooting, with 50% from the three point line.  Averaging over 20 a game.  Lord.  Make that man an all star next year
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 03, 2014, 12:05:25 AM
(http://turnernbaallball.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/865299735.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 03, 2014, 12:49:42 AM
AWESOME-O ARE YOU OK

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/tracy-mcgrady-works-out-with-kobe-bryant-as-test-for-possible-nba-comeback-024653910.html

ARE YOU OK AWESOME-O
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 03, 2014, 12:51:24 AM
Kobe's leadership luring well respected veterans to the Lakers to win a championship.
:lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: etiolate on September 03, 2014, 01:07:16 AM
oh lord
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: ToxicAdam on September 03, 2014, 01:14:40 AM
Maybe Kobe can coax Karl Malone from his duck blind next.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: Kara on September 03, 2014, 01:24:37 AM
I've lost enough in 2014, I don't need T-Whack in a Lakers jersey on top of that. :goty2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 03, 2014, 02:52:01 AM
I doubt its a matter of "getting it together".

At some point the injuries simply take a toll you can't recover from.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 03, 2014, 02:56:38 AM
in terms of guys who could have been playing longer (with no serious injury history like T-Mac)...Iverson. How much money did he throw out the window by being a dumbass well into his 30s. He's 39 and still in good shape, I could imagine him still being in the league - or only being a couple years removed from retirement.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 04, 2014, 01:04:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0EeAnZBGtM
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: benjipwns on September 07, 2014, 12:46:21 AM
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Greg Monroe has signed a $5.48 million, one-year qualifying offer with the Detroit Pistons, according to a person with knowledge of the deal.
...
The Pistons would have had a chance to match any agreement he made with another team this offseason -- an advantage they would lose once Monroe becomes an unrestricted free agent.
wtf has happened to this FA market, I thought for sure someone was going to offer him $10+ million a year.

Maybe SVG convinced Greg to give him a year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: etiolate on September 07, 2014, 12:22:28 PM
"Owner Bruce Levenson will sell the Atlanta Hawks after revelation of a 2012 racist email, NBA commissioner Adam Silver announces."

https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/508635959705886720

 :o

This is the e-mail that caused this (supposedly):

http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/basketball/complete-e-mail-sent-by-levenson/nhHbD/


I feel like the NBA itself has done similar things. It's tried to force more white into the NBA image, including ridiculously out of place Country concerts for mostly black all-star games. The new conduct rules were aimed at removing hip-hop culture from the sidelines and off of the TV screen.  It's not something isolated to this e-mail.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: Beezy on September 07, 2014, 01:25:32 PM
The NBA has definitely done similar things. Maybe Silver's NBA will be different? We'll see.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: etiolate on September 07, 2014, 01:52:40 PM
I think the difference here is that he openly admits to wanting to change hiring policies according to race. The NBA never does anything in a way that has legal blowback like that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 07, 2014, 02:26:35 PM
This seems like a mix of that typical Southern mentality along with an owner who wants to cash out on this team by selling it.

There is an intelligent discussion to be had about these sorts of issues and business practices that extends beyond simply reduce the darkies and whiten up the experience. 

The NBA has always struggled with how to sell a game that culturally and professionally is "black" in a way that other American sports aren't including Football. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: etiolate on September 07, 2014, 03:15:41 PM
Silver will have to find a different approach to promotion of the league than Stern used. Stern's Machiavellian shit wasn't working anymore and his robotic, superfriends NBA isn't appealing either.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 07, 2014, 05:11:20 PM
Gentrification brehs.

Maybe I didn't see all of the email, but I didn't think what I read was too out there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 07, 2014, 05:15:17 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 07, 2014, 05:11:20 PM
Gentrification brehs.

Maybe I didn't see all of the email, but I didn't think what I read was too out there.

If he had said there are too many Jews at the game. We need to get less jews at the game, and more christians and lower the amount of jewish content. And stop playing all that jew music. I think you would see the point.

There is a problem when you start looking at groups of people based on ethnicity and or race and start going we need more of X and less of Y.


Only in this country do we start saying its okay based on race and then try to hide behind class and socio-economic issues.

There is a socio-economic issue going on here. But you aren't doing any good when it becomes about race and caters to the already bigoted disposition you believe a large portion of your fanbase already has.

Not to mention the insult it is to your current fan base to say we don't want you. We want people who aren't you.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: Your Stalker on September 07, 2014, 07:30:54 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bw90Ny-IMAA8BES.jpg:large)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 07, 2014, 08:34:02 PM
:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: etiolate on September 07, 2014, 08:43:01 PM
fuuu i was gonna post that
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: benjipwns on September 08, 2014, 02:25:46 AM
Are we sure the guy isn't doing this just to get out of owning the Hawks after he saw what the Clippers and Bucks just sold for?

EDIT: This is one of the guys who were part of the group that fought for years over control of the Hawks, he only has part of a majority share. Everybody always forgets that the Joe Johnson contract caused the Hawks owners to all sue each other.  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: benjipwns on September 08, 2014, 02:33:19 AM
(http://blogs.ajc.com/mark-bradley-blog/files/2011/06/195633_HAWKS_OWNERS_FEUD_MA.JPG)

From the perspective of somebody writing about why the Thrashers got kicked out of town:
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The Spirit took ownership of the Thrashers, the Hawks and Philips Arena in March 2004. In the summer of 2005 Billy Knight, then the Hawks’ general manager, sought to work a sign-and-trade with Phoenix for the restricted free agent Joe Johnson. Knight offered Boris Diaw, who’d been the Hawks’ No. 1 draftee in 2003, and two future No. 1 pick. Steve Belkin, whom the Spirit had installed as the team’s NBA governor, thought the price was too high.

The many other Spirit members moved to overthrow Belkin as governor so that the trade — described by one of the Spirit’s lawyers as “critical to the future of the the Atlanta Hawks” — could be made. Belkin sought a restraining order against his partners, and a Boston judge granted it. (It was in that courtroom that the famous photo of Knight refusing to shake Belkin’s hand was taken.)

Ultimately NBA commissioner David  Stern intervened and allowed the other eight Spirit members to buy out Belkin, prompting a triumphant press conference at Philips Arena in which Johnson was introduced as a Hawk and Knight hailed as a conquering hero. But Belkin took his case to a Maryland court, where he found a judge who ruled in 2006 that he could buy out the others.

If you’re charting the Thrashers’ first step toward Winnipeg, start right there. The resulting litigation would last five years and essentially freeze the Spirit’s assets. This became clear when the Spirit — having finally bought out Belkin on Dec. 23, 2010 — filed a lawsuit this January against the law firm King & Spalding for malpractice. In the lawsuit, the Spirit claimed the five-year fight against Belkin had kept the Thrashers from being sold.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: etiolate on September 08, 2014, 09:09:11 PM
http://time.com/3296175/bruce-levenson-atlanta-hawks-racist-email-kareem-abdul-jabbar/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 09, 2014, 01:17:51 PM
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With respect to one potential free agent, a highly-regarded African-American player and humanitarian, Ferry talked about the player's good points, and then went on to describe his negatives, stating that "he has a little African in him. Not in a bad way, but he's like a guy who would have a nice store out front but sell you counterfeit stuff out of the back." Ferry completed the racial slur by describing the player (and impliedly, all persons of African decent) as a two-faced liar and cheat.

http://deadspin.com/hawks-minority-owner-gm-danny-ferry-got-racist-on-a-co-1632301212
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: etiolate on September 09, 2014, 01:25:15 PM
Feels like a good PR year for Cousins. So far, the Team USA run has been good for his public image, and with all this racial stuff going on during the off-season, the usually charged words thrown at him will be too racy for Sports Bob McJocksnif to say.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 09, 2014, 02:08:25 PM
speaking of good Cousins PR

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@briancmahoney

Classic U.S. moment: European journalist to DeMarcus Cousins: "Do you know where Slovenia is?" Cousins: "No, do you know where Alabama is?"

:rofl
:rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: Kara on September 09, 2014, 03:32:59 PM
Better troll (imo) would have been to deliberately confuse it with Slovakia. Shit drives the Slovenians I know up the wall. (So of course I do it. 2010 World Cup brehs. :lawd)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 09, 2014, 07:52:17 PM
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"HE HAS A LITTLE AFRICAN IN HIM"

    "These words were recently used to describe me.  It would ordinarily make any African parent proud to hear their child recognized for their heritage.

     "I'm proud to say I actually have a lot of African in me, not just "a little". For my entire life, my identity has been a source of pride and strength. Among my family and friends, in my country of South Sudan and across the broader continent of Africa, I can think of no greater privilege than to do what I love for a living while also representing my heritage on the highest stage. Unfortunately, the comment about my heritage was not made with the same respect and appreciation.

    "Concerning my free agency, the focus should purely have been on my professionalism and my ability as an athlete. Every person should have the right to be treated with respect and evaluated as an individual, rather than be reduced to a stereotype. I am saddened and disappointed that this way of thinking still exists today. I am even more disturbed that it was shared so freely in a business setting.

    "However, there is comfort in knowing that there are people who aren't comfortable with it and have the courage to speak up. In the same way a generalization should not define a group of people, the attitude of a few should not define a whole organization or league.


    "Ultimately, I’m thankful to be with an organization that appreciates me for who I am and has gone out of its way to make me feel welcome."

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/sfl-miami-heat-luol-deng-statement-s090914,0,5805179.story
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: naff on September 10, 2014, 08:21:36 PM
yo lemme see some piss http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/10/greg-monroe-urinated-on-himself-police-report-says/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: etiolate on September 10, 2014, 10:04:41 PM
How the fuck did a weakened France beat Spain after getting blown out in pool play?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: Your Stalker on September 10, 2014, 10:14:43 PM
Quote from: Butt Seriously on September 10, 2014, 08:21:36 PM
yo lemme see some piss http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/10/greg-monroe-urinated-on-himself-police-report-says/
Is being stuck in Detroit for another year really that bad?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: benjipwns on September 10, 2014, 10:46:42 PM
Quote from: Butt Seriously on September 10, 2014, 08:21:36 PM
yo lemme see some piss http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/10/greg-monroe-urinated-on-himself-police-report-says/
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"You play for the Detroit Pistons," asks one of the officers in the vehicle. "Unless you told people who are going to tell people, we’re not going to tell people," an officer is heard saying.
Should have busted that racist first cop in the face. Just because a guy's 6-11 and all black people look alike is no reason to assume he plays for the Pistons.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: etiolate on September 10, 2014, 10:51:08 PM
I am pretty sure they identified him as a Piston via the hopelessness in his eyes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 10, 2014, 11:37:25 PM
Quote from: etiolate on September 10, 2014, 10:04:41 PM
How the fuck did a weakened France beat Spain after getting blown out in pool play?

I'm glad. Talking heads like Simmons were annoying the fuck out of me with their Spain is gonna beat the US talk. Not that there is anything wrong with that opinion. It was mainly how they weren't even analyzing the games anymore. Because Durant, Love, and George weren't playing all that could talk about was how bad the US was and how they need to completely revamp the system.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: etiolate on September 11, 2014, 12:21:40 AM
Simmons concept of the NBA is like from 4 or 5 years ago. He's like the NBA's Matt Millen. He was hip to the trends then the game passed him by quickly and he's just lost in his Grantland hubris. His poor understanding of the US team is comical.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 11, 2014, 12:30:07 AM
I use to be one of those guys who defended Simmons as I thought the hate was a little strong but I get it now. I also think he's getting worse. He doesn't even attempt to analyze a situation anymore. He makes a prediction about something beforehand. He then talks about it from that angle no matter what the situation actually is. And if he ends up being wrong, he just ignores the whole thing like it never happened or he alters the narrative to try to match it to his prediction.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: etiolate on September 11, 2014, 12:33:22 AM
aka he works for ESPN
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 11, 2014, 12:35:22 AM
The sooner you guys start treating Simmons as someone who is similar to a dude you talk sports with at a bar, the better.  He is unapologetically a fan first, commentator/analyst second.  That why I like him.  His predictions/analysis are bullshit and the sort of things that you and I would call out if we heard them at the bar.  But he's fun to listen to, and Grantland is the best thing to happen to sports/entertainment commentary in a long while.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 11, 2014, 12:37:20 AM
Grantland is fine. Simmons less so.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: ToxicAdam on September 11, 2014, 09:40:28 AM
I'm a fan of Bill, but I never take any of his analysis seriously. He just reminds me of a dude I would talk sports with at my locker before school starts. Crazy theories, a total homer but genuinely enthusiastic about everything.

He's not talented himself really, but he has a great eye for talent and getting those people to help him along.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup Aug 30- Sept 14)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 11, 2014, 09:42:06 AM
USA versus Lithuania today at 3 P.M. EST.

I might live blog it as I watch it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US versus Lithuania 3 PM EST Today)
Post by: etiolate on September 11, 2014, 02:41:07 PM
This match-up may be more interesting than the gold match. Lithuania at least has some size to throw at the US.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US versus Lithuania 3 PM EST Today)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 11, 2014, 03:19:39 PM
Game tied at 13.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US versus Lithuania 3 PM EST Today)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 11, 2014, 03:32:32 PM
Harden defense lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US versus Lithuania 3 PM EST Today)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 11, 2014, 03:37:04 PM
Lithuania struggling to get good offensive shots against this defense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US versus Lithuania 3 PM EST Today)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 11, 2014, 03:42:46 PM
To balance it out though the US is playing poorly in the half court.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US versus Lithuania 3 PM EST Today)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 11, 2014, 03:46:24 PM
US offense almost all iso play or individual plays. Not much team basketball.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US versus Lithuania 3 PM EST Today)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 11, 2014, 03:49:28 PM
Cousins almost getting into a fight. lol.

To be fair it was a cheap shot in the throat against him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US versus Lithuania 3 PM EST Today)
Post by: etiolate on September 11, 2014, 03:49:36 PM
Jonas almost got himself destroyed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US versus Lithuania 3 PM EST Today)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 11, 2014, 03:55:51 PM
US up my 8 at the half. The US defense is fine. Lithuania isn't getting good shots. But the US offense is turning over the ball and isn't generating as many easy shots as they should be.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US versus Lithuania 3 PM EST Today)
Post by: etiolate on September 11, 2014, 03:58:27 PM
http://www.gfycat.com/LazyBleakHartebeest

lol Jonas

Don't be dirty if you can't handle the heat.

The US offense being a mess is no surprise. I don't understand how they can't practice even simple plays. They don't involve the bigs in any way other than going for offensive rebounds. Klay is getting shots to drop because he's smart enough to use screens from his bigs. Everything else is dribble dribble, drive or jack shot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US versus Lithuania 3 PM EST Today)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 11, 2014, 04:13:12 PM
US comes out of half-time shooting 3's and hot.

10-0 run.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US versus Lithuania 3 PM EST Today)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 11, 2014, 04:25:34 PM
US up by 27. Blowout is on.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US versus Lithuania 3 PM EST Today)
Post by: Your Stalker on September 11, 2014, 04:27:04 PM
damn didn't they give amerikkka trouble during the olympics?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US versus Lithuania 3 PM EST Today)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 11, 2014, 04:31:03 PM
All US had to do was play up to their ability on offense. They were really sucking on that end in the first half. Once the offense started clicking, it was over. The defense was already too much for Lithuania
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US versus Lithuania 3 PM EST Today)
Post by: etiolate on September 11, 2014, 04:36:54 PM
Davis is really struggling in this game.

US started hitting its jumpers and getting into transition int he 3rd. It seems most of these world cup teams can't keep up with the US for the whole game and tire out in the second half.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US versus Lithuania 3 PM EST Today)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 11, 2014, 04:39:58 PM
Quote from: etiolate on September 11, 2014, 04:36:54 PM
Davis is really struggling in this game.

US started hitting its jumpers and getting into transition int he 3rd. It seems most of these world cup teams can't keep up with the US for the whole game and tire out in the second half.

Too many elite level US scorers. These other teams struggle for their buckets. Every Lithuania basket has been a brutal effort. They get nothing easy. The game has to be a snail pace for that to work against the US.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US versus Lithuania 3 PM EST Today)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 11, 2014, 04:58:50 PM
lol. Almost another fight in the post game handshakes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US versus Lithuania 3 PM EST Today)
Post by: etiolate on September 11, 2014, 05:04:15 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on September 11, 2014, 04:58:50 PM
lol. Almost another fight in the post game handshakes.

I went to take a shower. What happened?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US versus Lithuania 3 PM EST Today)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 11, 2014, 05:07:09 PM
Quote from: etiolate on September 11, 2014, 05:04:15 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on September 11, 2014, 04:58:50 PM
lol. Almost another fight in the post game handshakes.

I went to take a shower. What happened?

http://www.gfycat.com/DeadlyCheapDrever

Not sure what triggered it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US versus Lithuania 3 PM EST Today)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 11, 2014, 05:09:19 PM
lol fucking thompson
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US versus Lithuania 3 PM EST Today)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 11, 2014, 05:17:01 PM
btw if you haven't been following this tournament Derrick Rose has played terribly. They would have been better off with John Wall. Or pretty much anybody.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US versus Lithuania 3 PM EST Today)
Post by: etiolate on September 11, 2014, 05:53:00 PM
I think both Rose and Gay are on the squad for their international experience.

Anyways, the blueprint for beating USA is controlling the pace and watching the US half court offense implode. They have some defensive issues on the wing with Curry and Harden, but the US can just sub in Thompson to up their defense. Most of their problems come from playing a half court game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US versus Lithuania 3 PM EST Today)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 11, 2014, 06:26:03 PM
What?  Fucker are you serious?  :lol  Simmons is one of the hardest on Lebron, ESPECIALLY after the Decision and the first failed Finals apperance.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US versus Lithuania 3 PM EST Today)
Post by: Steve Contra on September 11, 2014, 06:39:55 PM
Put Shinobi in the white trash poll for being so emotionally invested in an athlete.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US versus Lithuania 3 PM EST Today)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 11, 2014, 06:43:18 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on September 11, 2014, 06:39:55 PM
Put Shinobi in the white trash poll for being so emotionally invested in an athlete.

shouldn't he be on the poll moreso for irrational hate of a young black man?

(http://i.imgur.com/8oN0PE3.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 11, 2014, 07:53:31 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24705753/recording-of-danny-ferrys-comments-on-luol-deng-surfaces

uh oh

doesn't sound like he's just reading what someone said.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 11, 2014, 10:31:29 PM
Quote
"I'm not a promotions person," Team USA coach Mike Krzyzewski said, scoffing at the suggestion from one reporter that the World Cup had "lost its luster" thanks to Spain's demise. "I wasn't a marketing major. I'll let everybody who wants to do that take care of it.

"I'm not surprised about anything in international competition. If we feel we can lose, we know anybody else can lose."


Quote
When another reporter suggested to Derrick Rose that Team USA was lucky to dodge the Spaniards, Rose said: "Lucky? Come on. Luck don't have anything to do with it. ... I think that's one of the reasons why we came over here ... to play them. Too bad we're not playing them now. Hopefully we go out there in our next game and play hard and just know that we're there for a reason."

Quote
Faried, who along with Team USA guard Klay Thompson has been in the spotlight more this summer more than he typically is in the NBA, was the exception in terms of revealing his true feelings about the Spaniards. He said some media members were guilty of giving Spain "too much hype" while being "borderline disrespectful" to the American big men and their chances of succeeding against brothers Pau Gasol and Marc Gasol and Serge Ibaka.

"I've been trying to hold my tongue for this one," Faried said. "I felt as though we came out and did our job. And y'all kept saying, 'Oh, you're not going to beat Spain.' Spain couldn't even beat France. When Spain can meet us at the championship game, then come talk to me."

 :mynicca

So glad Faried said that because I felt the exact same way. Another example of reporters and talking heads trying to write stories and create the narrative beforehand instead of the results dictating the narrative.


http://espn.go.com/olympics/basketball/story/_/id/11510610/kenneth-faried-says-team-usa-wanted-beat-spain-fiba-basketball-world-cup-final
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US versus Lithuania 3 PM EST Today)
Post by: benjipwns on September 11, 2014, 10:42:56 PM
The Spain thing was always because we needed a nemesis and their size is the only clear advantage any other team has. The NBA has transitioned past the "Euro" style even more than Yurop used to be, the good NBA teams prize shooting, spacing and rotating the ball now (and defensive schemes to counter it), 2002 and 2004 were in the middle of the "everybody clear out, I'm going to jack a 20 footer" era. The recent teams have all been unselfish and willingly gone to Melo and Durant who were huge matchup problems same as how all the stars on the Dream Team deferred to Chuck as the "star" player. Plus they all knew then and know now they're getting the ball back when they're open or in good position.

Foreign teams are much better than they ever have been, but the US has run back ahead of them, in some ways, almost by accident. Which is why this supposed "C" team is thrashing people.

Quote from: BrandNew on September 11, 2014, 06:26:03 PM
What?  Fucker are you serious?  :lol  Simmons is one of the hardest on Lebron, ESPECIALLY after the Decision and the first failed Finals apperance.
He flopped after the evisceration of Boston on the way to the first ring and then kept heading in that direction more and more.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup USA versus X)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 11, 2014, 11:00:14 PM
I would agree with that. The thing is good shooting in the NBA has never been at a higher premium because of the influx of stat nerds and actual coaches who understand how important the three is.

That brand of Kobe/Iverson 1 on 1 dribble the air out of the ball style basketball is now frowned upon heavily. Most of the top flight nba guards and forwards are at least competent at the 3 point shot now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup USA versus X)
Post by: benjipwns on September 11, 2014, 11:22:44 PM
Basically the new NBA either because of stats or foreigners or Thibs like defensive principles have emphasized the "strange" things of what was termed European style. But in Europe/elsewhere it developed out of necessity because they didn't have big stars (or dominant athletes) who stayed there for long, so they had stretch bigs and no "real" point guard lineups and passing based offenses and all that stuff in place because that was how you won games by forcing other teams to play you a certain way. Then in the 2000s they started to get the talent to compete. I mean we can't pretend it didn't take a while to transition from Dino Radja to Toni Kukoc to Dirk Nowitzki in terms of star talent.

Vlade Divac was playing basically his entire career how the Bulls have used Noah the last two years and everyone's amazed by it. Divac just didn't have a team build their whole offense around that fact until he was like 33.

The slow-down grind-it-out style of say 1993-2003 didn't help either. Fewer possessions allows poorer teams to compete easier. This US team especially has taken advantage of running, and I think that's why they made some of the "questionable" picks everyone was lamenting like Faried.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup USA versus X)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 12, 2014, 04:39:03 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11514254/danny-ferry-atlanta-hawks-takes-leave-absence
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup USA versus Serbia)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 13, 2014, 01:46:58 AM
Just got through watching a video replay of Serbia versus France. Was a really good 4th quarter. Batum got really hot. Scored like 35 with a lot of that in the last quarter with france trying to make a run.

Teodosic played great for Serbia.

That being said unless something goes horribly wrong, the US shouldn't have a problem with Serbia.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup USA versus Serbia)
Post by: etiolate on September 13, 2014, 04:52:18 AM
Missed the Serbia/France game. I thought it was going to be on in the morning like the US games had been.

I kept waiting for the US to pull out their big game against someone, but the situation never arose. They'll probably follow the same pattern of a flat first half and then a blowout second half. I don't see what Serbia can do to really give them trouble.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup USA versus Serbia)
Post by: etiolate on September 13, 2014, 02:02:46 PM
http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/2g9mq1/with_all_this_controversy_in_the_nfl_im_glad_that/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup USA versus Serbia)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 13, 2014, 04:01:06 PM
You found my secret reddit identity.

 :-*
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup USA versus Serbia)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 13, 2014, 04:33:55 PM
Quote
Sacramento Kings forward Rudy Gay said he has a fracture in his jaw and a broken tooth, but he insists that won't keep him off the court as Team USA plays Serbia in the gold medal game of the FIBA Basketball World Cup on Sunday.

Gay suffered the injures after getting elbowed in the fourth quarter of Team USA's 96-68 victory over Lithuania in the semifinals on Thursday night in Barcelona.

"I've got a fracture in my jaw, a broken tooth and am going to probably need a root canal," Gay told USA Today Sports on Saturday. "The top is where I got hit. It's painful. It's uncomfortable, and it still bleeds, so I've got to continuously gargle. It is what it is, man."

According to USA Basketball officials, Gay's only confirmed injury is a chipped tooth.

Gay said he complained about the elbow in the handshake line with Lithuania's players after the semifinal game, which led to players on both sides shouting at one another and brought Team USA coach Mike Krzyzewski into the middle of the fray as peacemaker.

Gay told USA Today Sports that he isn't sure whose elbow hit him in the mouth, but he clearly still wasn't happy about it Saturday.

"I think (the elbow) had a little bit to do with (the situation afterward)," Gay told the paper. "It was a dirty play, man. It was a dirty play."

Gay said he underwent medical attention until 2 a.m. Friday morning before flying with the rest of Team USA to Madrid for the title game.

I didn't think it was a dirty play such much as unfortunate but they didn't really show good replays of it during the game so maybe I'm wrong. This apparently was the cause of the near post-game fight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup USA versus Serbia)
Post by: etiolate on September 13, 2014, 05:52:02 PM
You could see the tooth was knocked in during the game. I don't recall the replay being vicious. Hope it's nothing major.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup USA versus Serbia 3:00 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 14, 2014, 03:05:04 PM
Game on. Live Blog Start now
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup USA versus Serbia 3:00 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 14, 2014, 03:07:54 PM
Serbia off to a good start. US in early foul trouble.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup USA versus Serbia 3:00 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 14, 2014, 03:10:51 PM
US looks rattled by the foul happy calls early.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup USA versus Serbia 3:00 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 14, 2014, 03:15:04 PM
US starting to settle back down. 9-0 run.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup USA versus Serbia 3:00 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 14, 2014, 03:16:22 PM
US exploding at the moment. You can tell they were pissed the way the game started off. Still close but they are hot right now and aggressive. Kyrie is on fire early.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup USA versus Serbia 3:00 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 14, 2014, 03:20:40 PM
US raining three's at the moment. 30-19.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup USA versus Serbia 3:00 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 14, 2014, 03:22:26 PM
Kyrie 15 points in the first quarter. 6 of 7 from the field.

End of first quarter 35-21.

US started off badly because of a crazy high number of fouls called early. But once the whistles stopped they exploded against serbia and serbia without the calls aren't getting good shots.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup USA versus Serbia 3:00 PM EST)
Post by: etiolate on September 14, 2014, 03:22:43 PM
Irving and Boogie broke this game open. See if they can keep it up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup USA versus Serbia 3:00 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 14, 2014, 03:26:07 PM
Boogie has played well all tournament. Especially considering some people were originally saying he wasn't even going to make the team over Plumlee. Which made no sense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup USA versus Serbia 3:00 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 14, 2014, 03:27:56 PM
No shitting here but Kyrie looks like what Wade use to look like. He and Lebron are going to match up really well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup USA versus Serbia 3:00 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 14, 2014, 03:30:49 PM
Gotta love Faried. He's been the MVP of the team I would argue.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup USA versus Serbia 3:00 PM EST)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 14, 2014, 03:31:55 PM
Yup.  Faried or Klay should get MVP
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup USA versus Serbia 3:00 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 14, 2014, 03:39:20 PM
US still on fire from the arc. Probably their best shooting game of the tournament.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup USA versus Serbia 3:00 PM EST)
Post by: etiolate on September 14, 2014, 03:39:51 PM
Yeah Faried has been the most consistent guy for US. I'd give him MVP.

Irving just butter tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup USA versus Serbia 3:00 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 14, 2014, 03:43:21 PM
Nice block from Boogie.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup USA versus Serbia 3:00 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 14, 2014, 03:52:00 PM
67-41 at the half. Second half will mostly be a lot of bench players getting in for the US. They broke Serbia in that first quarter. Impressive stuff from the US. I'm glad this team played so well after a lot of carping from the pundit class about how they weren't a good squad. This should be the kind of time we praise not be insanely critical of.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup USA versus Serbia 3:00 PM EST)
Post by: etiolate on September 14, 2014, 04:00:37 PM
https://twitter.com/im_malo/status/511238863126536192/photo/1

harden D is great comedy
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup USA versus Serbia 3:00 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 14, 2014, 04:11:33 PM
Yeah his D is still terrible. There was a play earlier with him that was also laughable. All that talk about about his improved D is bs. He's a great offensive player. But he just doesn't have the skills or the motor to do it on the defensive side.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup USA versus Serbia 3:00 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 14, 2014, 04:18:05 PM
Kyrie.

 :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (FIBA World Cup USA versus Serbia 3:00 PM EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 14, 2014, 04:49:41 PM
Game finishes 129-92. US called off the dogs honestly after the initial big run as it could have been a lot worse.

Impressive tournament from the US. They played some lazy first half's but in nearly every case they exploded in the 3rd and put every game out of reach.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US wins FIBA World Cup)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 14, 2014, 04:58:50 PM
World Cup Tournament MVP Kyrie Irving.


Simmons was saying he shouldn't even be on the team because he's never done anything in cleveland pre-tournament.

 :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US wins FIBA World Cup)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 14, 2014, 05:19:40 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxhaGMMIYAACiSn.jpg)


FIBA World Cup All-Star Five:
 
Milos Teodosic (Serbia)
 
Kyrie Irving (USA)
 
Nicolas Batum (France)
 
Pau Gasol (Spain)
 
Kenneth Faried (USA)


(http://giant.gfycat.com/MeaslyCompleteBonobo.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US wins FIBA World Cup)
Post by: Beezy on September 14, 2014, 05:58:30 PM
Bobby Shmurda won
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US wins FIBA World Cup)
Post by: Your Stalker on September 14, 2014, 07:07:25 PM
look at rose not giving a fuck like always  :obama
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US wins FIBA World Cup)
Post by: Kara on September 14, 2014, 07:10:34 PM
Quote from: Your Stalker on September 14, 2014, 07:07:25 PM
look at rose not giving a fuck like always  :obama

Don't fault the guy for not knowing what winning feels like. (http://i.imgur.com/9ey7eVA.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US wins FIBA World Cup)
Post by: benjipwns on September 15, 2014, 11:17:33 PM
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/team-usa-is-here-to-save-the-day/

(https://espngrantland.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/drummond2.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US wins FIBA World Cup)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 16, 2014, 09:09:51 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPvxfTb2uco
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US wins FIBA World Cup)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 16, 2014, 02:02:18 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 15, 2014, 11:17:33 PM
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/team-usa-is-here-to-save-the-day/

(https://espngrantland.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/drummond2.jpg)

that's my all star center
:tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US wins FIBA World Cup)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 16, 2014, 02:05:17 PM
As a Cavs fan I am so happy to say: Fuck off with your scrub ass teams, feggits.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US wins FIBA World Cup)
Post by: ToxicAdam on September 16, 2014, 02:20:48 PM
so edgy

Title: Re: The NBA thread (US wins FIBA World Cup)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 16, 2014, 02:22:22 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on September 16, 2014, 02:20:48 PM
so edgy

well to be fair it's been a long while sir.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US wins FIBA World Cup)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 16, 2014, 02:26:04 PM
3edgy5me

and its only been four years, fuck out of here with that.  The Kings have been bad for like 12 years
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US wins FIBA World Cup)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on September 16, 2014, 02:34:07 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on September 16, 2014, 02:22:22 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on September 16, 2014, 02:20:48 PM
so edgy

well to be fair it's been a long while sir.
y'all have 3 ECF and 2 finals appearances in the past 8 years
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US wins FIBA World Cup)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 16, 2014, 02:36:33 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on September 16, 2014, 02:34:07 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on September 16, 2014, 02:22:22 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on September 16, 2014, 02:20:48 PM
so edgy

well to be fair it's been a long while sir.
y'all have 3 ECF and 2 finals appearances in the past 8 years

Yes and we have been somewhat worse than white bread in the NBA power rankings since Lebron left. Besides we were never built to win then....when your best guys to run out in the finals are Mo Williams and random 35 year old center you ain't really dangerous.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US wins FIBA World Cup)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 16, 2014, 02:42:23 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on September 16, 2014, 02:34:07 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on September 16, 2014, 02:22:22 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on September 16, 2014, 02:20:48 PM
so edgy

well to be fair it's been a long while sir.
y'all have 3 ECF and 2 finals appearances in the past 8 years

 ???
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US wins FIBA World Cup)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 16, 2014, 02:43:19 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on September 16, 2014, 02:42:23 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on September 16, 2014, 02:34:07 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on September 16, 2014, 02:22:22 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on September 16, 2014, 02:20:48 PM
so edgy

well to be fair it's been a long while sir.
y'all have 3 ECF and 2 finals appearances in the past 8 years

Yeah I'm trying to figure out which time the celtics eliminated us was considered a FINALS game.

 ???
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US wins FIBA World Cup)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 16, 2014, 09:51:50 PM
god bless you shinobi
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US wins FIBA World Cup)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on September 16, 2014, 10:10:56 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on September 16, 2014, 02:42:23 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on September 16, 2014, 02:34:07 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on September 16, 2014, 02:22:22 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on September 16, 2014, 02:20:48 PM
so edgy

well to be fair it's been a long while sir.
y'all have 3 ECF and 2 finals appearances in the past 8 years

 ???
Yeah I noticed that like 5 minutes after I posted and was like :larry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US wins FIBA World Cup)
Post by: benjipwns on September 17, 2014, 09:24:42 AM
Quote
Within the past year, Atlanta Hawks co-owner Michael Gearon Jr. approached fellow co-owner Bruce Levenson about selling the franchise, two people familiar with the situation told USA TODAY Sports. Levenson wasn't interested in selling but is going to do that now, and with NBA now in a seller's market, Gearon will be in position to cash in on his investment — despite financials losses in the past decade. Gearon understands that if he wants to capitalize, he needs to sell more than just his stake. The Hawks are worth more when a majority of the team is sold. So for the second time in the past few months, an ownership group mired in a controversy over the use of racial language could stand to make a significant amount of money selling the team. In the case of the Hawks, how they got here is a decade of poor judgment, mismanagement and a power play among owners.

....

Gearon recorded the nearly hour-long call but only a brief snippet of the audio has been made available, and there is no full transcript of the call, three people familiar with those details told USA TODAY Sports. The league requested a full transcript, but one was not provided. Ferry's comments sparked the independent review, and the aftermath has rattled the franchise. Levenson is on his way out and Ferry is on indefinite leave. Turns out, Gearon might be getting two wishes. Also in Gearon's letter to Levenson, he wrote, "The racial diversity of our management team has changed for the worse since Ferry took over."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US wins FIBA World Cup)
Post by: etiolate on September 17, 2014, 03:22:18 PM
Watched the 2001 all-star game on NBA TV yesterday and those squads were running actual plays and curls with cuts, etc. How can Coach K not get Team USA to do any of that?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US wins FIBA World Cup)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 17, 2014, 03:24:00 PM
Quote from: etiolate on September 17, 2014, 03:22:18 PM
Watched the 2001 all-star game on NBA TV yesterday and those squads were running actual plays and curls with cuts, etc. How can Coach K not get Team USA to do any of that?

Absolutely no need to do so. Why show your hand when you're playing the equivalent of 5th graders when you're on the varsity team? Save this shiz for the olympics, bro.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US wins FIBA World Cup)
Post by: etiolate on September 17, 2014, 09:00:25 PM
The @SacramentoKings have agreed in principle to sign center @TheRyanHollins to one-year, fully guaranteed deal, a source told Yahoo Sports

Why god why

At least that lead me to this internet oasis. http://www.reddit.com/r/ryanhollins
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US wins FIBA World Cup)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 18, 2014, 08:33:47 AM
Quote from: etiolate on September 17, 2014, 09:00:25 PM
The @SacramentoKings have agreed in principle to sign center @TheRyanHollins to one-year, fully guaranteed deal, a source told Yahoo Sports

Why god why

At least that lead me to this internet oasis. http://www.reddit.com/r/ryanhollins

:hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US wins FIBA World Cup)
Post by: Kara on September 18, 2014, 10:24:37 AM
Quote from: etiolate on September 17, 2014, 09:00:25 PM
At least that lead me to this internet oasis. http://www.reddit.com/r/ryanhollins

:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US wins FIBA World Cup)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 18, 2014, 03:35:25 PM
(http://i59.tinypic.com/2q828mh.jpg)
:dead

I knew he'd do it eventually.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US wins FIBA World Cup)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 18, 2014, 03:41:25 PM
The hairline?

L-E-G-I-T

:pacspit
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US wins FIBA World Cup)
Post by: benjipwns on September 19, 2014, 12:05:49 AM
http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11541524/nba-worst-four-games-five-day-series-nba-teams
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US wins FIBA World Cup)
Post by: etiolate on September 19, 2014, 01:01:46 AM
It's obvious that the NBA needs to reduce the amount of games, but how do they get the owners to agree to less ticket sales?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (US wins FIBA World Cup)
Post by: Kara on September 19, 2014, 02:23:55 AM
It probably won't make remaining tickets appreciably more desirable (at least not immediately) and NBA owners think they're entitled to make money for simply existing so yeah it's an uphill climb.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 20, 2014, 01:04:57 AM
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With just days before the start of training camp, the Minnesota Timberwolves are making a final push to acquire restricted free-agent guard Eric Bledsoe in a sign-and-trade with the Phoenix Suns, sources told ESPN.com.

The Wolves are offering Bledsoe the four-year, $63 million maximum level contract that he has been seeking, sources said, but because of cap restrictions, the only way he can join the team as currently constructed is through a sign-and-trade deal. Bledsoe and the Suns have been in a stalemate all summer after the team offered him a four-year, $48 million deal in July.

This is a renewal of talks that have stretched over the past several months. The teams had discussions involving a Kevin Love trade that would involve Bledsoe but never made serious traction on a deal.

The Wolves, who acquired No. 1 overall pick Andrew Wiggins after trading Love to the Cleveland Cavaliers last month, see Bledsoe as a strong running mate to their new franchise player and have made some aggressive offers to Phoenix to try to get them to accept a deal.

Bledsoe has made it clear to the Suns and any other team that he was only interested in signing a max contract and otherwise would sign a one-year, $3.7 million qualifying offer with the Suns that would enable him to become an unrestricted free agent next year.

The relationship between Bledsoe and the Suns has eroded over the contract impasse, and the Suns signed free-agent guard Isaiah Thomas to a four-year, $27 million deal in July after drafting guard Tyler Ennis in the first round in June.

Bledsoe averaged 17.7 points and 5.5 assists in 43 games for the Suns last season after being traded from the Los Angeles Clippers. He suffered a midseason meniscus injury to his right knee and returned after surgery.

Fox 10 in Phoenix earlier reported the Wolves were prepared to make a maximum contract offer to Bledsoe.


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Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account
‏@WojYahooNBA
Yahoo Sources: Phoenix has no interest in Eric Bledsoe sign-and-trade discussions with Minnesota.

Also

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SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. -- Former NBA guard Rex Chapman has been arrested for allegedly shoplifting $14,000 worth of merchandise from an Apple store in Scottsdale and then selling the items at a pawn shop.

Police took Chapman, 46, into custody Friday afternoon after officers stopped his vehicle in northeast Scottsdale.

They say he's being held on suspicion of nine counts of organized retail theft and five counts of trafficking in stolen property.

Police say Chapman made it appear he was using the store's self-checkout but left without paying.

He allegedly stole from the store seven times and sold the items for cash.

Chapman, a former Kentucky star, was a first-round draft pick of Charlotte in 1988. He also played for Washington, Miami and Phoenix in a 12-year NBA career that ended in 2000.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on September 20, 2014, 01:33:07 AM
Rex Chapman  :neogaf

Wasn't he like an assistant GM in Denver three years ago or something? What happened man?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cheddahz on September 20, 2014, 10:34:04 AM
Eric Bledsoe is not worth the max, but no way he is gonna go back to the Suns in a positive mood, so they might as well do a sign and trade for him
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 20, 2014, 10:36:11 AM
What I remember most about Chapman as a kid was that he was extremely athletic. This was in a day and age where the big white stars were more often in the clunky Danny Ferry mold.

Obviously don't know the real story about what happened here but he made decent money during his career. Not sure what happened other than the usual story of athletes wasting the money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNV5AUDhPUM
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T234 on September 20, 2014, 12:13:25 PM
What I wonder is why Rex Chapman didn't just run for public office here in KY. Shit, Richie Farmer did it successfully (until they figured out he was more crooked than me) and we liked him a hell of a lot less.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Kara on September 20, 2014, 12:48:58 PM
Try and fence 14K's worth of high visibility stolen goods at the pawn shop brehs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on September 20, 2014, 01:41:27 PM
Zach Harper @talkhoops  ·  14h
Rex Chapman just passed John Stockton as the all-time leader in steals. Got it with a thunderbolt cable.

:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on September 22, 2014, 09:13:05 PM
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Darko Milicic, the second pick in the 2003 NBA Draft, is giving up professional basketball in order to try his hand at kickboxing.

According to a NBASerbia.com report, Milicic will sign a contract with the World Association of Kickboxing Organizations on Wednesday to become a professional kickboxer in his native Serbia.
end of an era
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Kara on September 22, 2014, 09:15:25 PM
FREE DARKO :stahp
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on September 23, 2014, 02:27:47 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKyWm7rbNBo
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 23, 2014, 08:20:40 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 23, 2014, 02:27:47 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKyWm7rbNBo

Gotta get that back loose for the bench bros.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on September 23, 2014, 03:15:50 PM
http://www.si.com/nba/2014/09/23/golden-state-warriors-arena-toilet-design-proposal-san-francisco

:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 23, 2014, 11:51:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNtUrVjwu-w


 :mynicca
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on September 24, 2014, 12:04:45 AM
such great touch with his right hand
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 24, 2014, 09:48:57 AM
Growing up when I did with basketball, I'm a sucker for a back to the basket post game which is oh so rare nowadays.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 24, 2014, 09:50:44 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on September 24, 2014, 09:48:57 AM
Growing up when I did with basketball, I'm a sucker for a back to the basket post game which is oh so rare nowadays.

Same.....Hakeem, Patrick, and Brad ain't coming out of that locker room.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Kara on September 24, 2014, 10:21:35 AM
Dream Shake :noah

Destroying Rear Admiral Fraud and Ewing in the NBA playoffs. :noah
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 24, 2014, 10:34:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltdQdiPPvk0
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 24, 2014, 10:17:02 PM
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ESPN Statement on Bill Simmons
“Every employee must be accountable to ESPN and those engaged in our editorial operations must also operate within ESPN’s journalistic standards. We have worked hard to ensure that our recent NFL coverage has met that criteria. Bill Simmons did not meet those obligations in a recent podcast, and as a result we have suspended him for three weeks.”


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Restricted free agent Eric Bledsoe has reached agreement with the Suns on a 5-year, $70M extension, league source tells Yahoo.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 25, 2014, 08:19:29 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on September 24, 2014, 10:17:02 PM
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ESPN Statement on Bill Simmons
“Every employee must be accountable to ESPN and those engaged in our editorial operations must also operate within ESPN’s journalistic standards. We have worked hard to ensure that our recent NFL coverage has met that criteria. Bill Simmons did not meet those obligations in a recent podcast, and as a result we have suspended him for three weeks.”


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Restricted free agent Eric Bledsoe has reached agreement with the Suns on a 5-year, $70M extension, league source tells Yahoo.

Look, I like pre-grantland simmons as much as the next guy....but his head has got so big recently that I can't find myself enjoying his work moving forward. It was a good run Sports guy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Kara on September 25, 2014, 12:00:45 PM
The Sports Dork getting hammered because of his own ego. :noah
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on September 25, 2014, 04:49:59 PM
On one hand, NFL too powerful. Goodell fucked up. On other hand, Simmons peak was long ago and Grantland seems weighed down by the fact nobody will question him there because he got them all their jobs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on September 25, 2014, 05:00:13 PM
https://twitter.com/RockstarCDR/status/515242579839811584

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByaCZXOCEAEXQ5A.jpg)

Chris Douglas Roberts bringing back short shorts this year. According to him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 25, 2014, 06:20:40 PM
Quote from: etiolate on September 25, 2014, 04:49:59 PM
On one hand, NFL too powerful. Goodell fucked up. On other hand, Simmons peak was long ago and Grantland seems weighed down by the fact nobody will question him there because he got them all their jobs.

Simmons was at his best imo when he really did just seem like a fan who happened to have a job writing about sports that millions of people read. Something changed over the years though. And now functionally he is no different than any other pundit other who fantasizes about sports narratives. It worked better when he seemed less famous and popular. Now he just feels like any other espn personality and that's not a good look.

Or maybe just the whole gimmick has worn thin.

Which is a separate thing from whether he deserved to be suspended for saying what everybody already believes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on September 25, 2014, 08:26:04 PM
Yeah, I don't feel what he said was worth getting suspended over. He should have left out the dare or threat to post e-mails. That implies it's some sort of regular practice with ESPN. Just trash Gooddell, let the hush e-mails come and then talk about them. He threatened them with something they could just skip over and they did, and then proceeded straight to punishment. He just told his employers the thing that would draw them heat and so they knew what not to do in response.

As for why he's less interesting, I don't feel the shtick got old. I think his shtick relies on being daring and hip to the curve. In other words, he needs to be the other. But you can't stay ahead and sound fresh or underground if you're in a hubris bubble. Then you just become a part of the standard narrative.  Grantland is a big old hubris bubble for him. He may seem different from Stephen A Smith, but he's just as clueless at this point.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 26, 2014, 08:29:16 PM
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Boston Celtics point guard Rajon Rondo had surgery to repair a broken left hand and will miss the start of the regular season, the team announced Friday night.

The Celtics said Rondo underwent a surgical fixation of a left metacarpal fracture on Friday morning at New England Baptist Hospital after injuring himself in a fall at his home Thursday evening. A source told ESPN's Jeff Goodman that Rondo told the team he slipped in the shower.

Rondo is expected to miss six to eight weeks, leaving the Celtics without their starting point guard for the start of the season. First-round pick Marcus Smart and Phil Pressey, who started 11 games as a rookie last season, are the top backup ball-handlers currently on Boston's roster.

 :gurl
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cheddahz on September 26, 2014, 08:50:59 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on September 26, 2014, 08:29:16 PM
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Boston Celtics point guard Rajon Rondo had surgery to repair a broken left hand and will miss the start of the regular season, the team announced Friday night.

The Celtics said Rondo underwent a surgical fixation of a left metacarpal fracture on Friday morning at New England Baptist Hospital after injuring himself in a fall at his home Thursday evening. A source told ESPN's Jeff Goodman that Rondo told the team he slipped in the shower.

Rondo is expected to miss six to eight weeks, leaving the Celtics without their starting point guard for the start of the season. First-round pick Marcus Smart and Phil Pressey, who started 11 games as a rookie last season, are the top backup ball-handlers currently on Boston's roster.

 :gurl
Dude just doesn't want to get traded
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 28, 2014, 12:05:00 AM
Quote
Ira Winderman
‏@IraHeatBeat
Wade said last season's maintenance plan was not necessarily his idea, that it "almost worked," but goal is to play every game this season.

 :sabu
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on September 28, 2014, 03:24:52 AM
He'll prove you all wrong, just watch.

:tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on September 28, 2014, 03:39:23 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/Bkh2rkf.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on September 28, 2014, 10:47:54 AM
The beard gang to rule them all.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 29, 2014, 07:58:35 AM
I love it when a white guy who looks like my accountant tries to mean mug with Lebron and Kyrie...lols!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on September 29, 2014, 08:00:38 AM
he'd bust your ass in a game of 21 tho
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 29, 2014, 08:26:46 AM
Quote from: Your Stalker on September 29, 2014, 08:00:38 AM
he'd bust your ass in a game of 21 tho

No doubt....as a Cleveland fan I'm excited as hell to have him on the squad.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 29, 2014, 11:46:25 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/rockets-gm-daryl-morey-fires-back-at-mavericks-owner-mark-cuban-082844311.html

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In Cuban's most recent baiting of the Rockets, he proclaimed that Morey had little regard for player chemistry, relying largely on the merits of math. Morey seethed over the premise and fired back to Yahoo Sports: "I completely reject it."

"Our teams have had great chemistry, and it's something we believe in. Hey, if Mark believed so much in chemistry, he wouldn't have busted up a title team for cap room. He's trying to reunite a lot of those people now, bringing back the center [Tyson Chandler] from that title team. Maybe he's got some chemistry religion recently.

"He's tripled his analytics staff. If he's equating analytics with not caring about chemistry, well, he's tripling down on it. I think he's smart to paint a competitor in a negative light, but none of those statements are lining up. He says that we're the team that you sign with and then we will trade you, when that's what he said he would've done with Dwight.

"We don't care about chemistry, but he busted up a championship team for what he hoped cap room could do."

 :mynicca
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 29, 2014, 11:51:08 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on September 29, 2014, 11:46:25 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/rockets-gm-daryl-morey-fires-back-at-mavericks-owner-mark-cuban-082844311.html

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In Cuban's most recent baiting of the Rockets, he proclaimed that Morey had little regard for player chemistry, relying largely on the merits of math. Morey seethed over the premise and fired back to Yahoo Sports: "I completely reject it."

"Our teams have had great chemistry, and it's something we believe in. Hey, if Mark believed so much in chemistry, he wouldn't have busted up a title team for cap room. He's trying to reunite a lot of those people now, bringing back the center [Tyson Chandler] from that title team. Maybe he's got some chemistry religion recently.

"He's tripled his analytics staff. If he's equating analytics with not caring about chemistry, well, he's tripling down on it. I think he's smart to paint a competitor in a negative light, but none of those statements are lining up. He says that we're the team that you sign with and then we will trade you, when that's what he said he would've done with Dwight.

"We don't care about chemistry, but he busted up a championship team for what he hoped cap room could do."

 :mynicca

Who gives a shit what either of these guys have to say. Lebron is a better gm/owner than both of them

:hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Kara on September 29, 2014, 11:55:26 AM
Workers' self-management. :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 29, 2014, 11:57:58 AM
Quote from: Vularai on September 29, 2014, 11:55:26 AM
Workers' self-management. :lawd

Dat one party system

:umad

(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNPzNb_CIAAv4hz.jpg:large)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 29, 2014, 01:32:24 PM
http://deadspin.com/lebrons-hair-is-gone-again-what-the-hell-1640293873?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

In this link above white people don't understand how black dudes hair works.

 :what

I have a similar issue as lebron. Receding front hairline. When it gets hot and heated or say when you just wake up its not laying down and straight. So it appears a lot more sparse. When you brush it or put hair product in, it lays down. And it appears like there is more of it even though you can still see its thinning there in comparison to the rest of your hair.

And that's today's episode of getting to know black people.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 29, 2014, 01:35:00 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on September 29, 2014, 01:32:24 PM
http://deadspin.com/lebrons-hair-is-gone-again-what-the-hell-1640293873?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

In this link above white people don't understand how black dudes hair works.

 :what

I have a similar issue as lebron. Receding front hairline. When it gets hot and heated or say when you just wake up its not laying down and straight. So it appears a lot more sparse. When you brush it or put hair product in, it lays down. And it appears like there is more of it even though you can still see its thinning there in comparison to the rest of your hair.

And that's today's episode of getting to know black people.

Dude...look at the pic at the top of the page. Look again. Now look at his pics yesterday. Some magical shit was done there. C'mon man.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 29, 2014, 01:36:30 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on September 29, 2014, 01:35:00 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on September 29, 2014, 01:32:24 PM
http://deadspin.com/lebrons-hair-is-gone-again-what-the-hell-1640293873?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

In this link above white people don't understand how black dudes hair works.

 :what

I have a similar issue as lebron. Receding front hairline. When it gets hot and heated or say when you just wake up its not laying down and straight. So it appears a lot more sparse. When you brush it or put hair product in, it lays down. And it appears like there is more of it even though you can still see its thinning there in comparison to the rest of your hair.

And that's today's episode of getting to know black people.

Dude...look at the pic at the top of the page. Look again. Now look at his pics yesterday. Some magical shit was done there. C'mon man.

I could show you the same thing with my hair. I won't. But I could.

Some days I hop out of the shower and its all I can do to not cry.

Ten minutes later after a brushing and some hair gel, I'm back to Billy Dee Williams. It happens.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 29, 2014, 01:38:07 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on September 29, 2014, 01:36:30 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on September 29, 2014, 01:35:00 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on September 29, 2014, 01:32:24 PM
http://deadspin.com/lebrons-hair-is-gone-again-what-the-hell-1640293873?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

In this link above white people don't understand how black dudes hair works.

 :what

I have a similar issue as lebron. Receding front hairline. When it gets hot and heated or say when you just wake up its not laying down and straight. So it appears a lot more sparse. When you brush it or put hair product in, it lays down. And it appears like there is more of it even though you can still see its thinning there in comparison to the rest of your hair.

And that's today's episode of getting to know black people.

Dude...look at the pic at the top of the page. Look again. Now look at his pics yesterday. Some magical shit was done there. C'mon man.

I could show you the same thing with my hair. I won't. But I could.

Some days I hop out of the shower and its all I can do to not cry.

Ten minutes later after a brushing and some hair gel, I'm back to Billy Dee Williams. It happens.

To be fair I've shaved my head since college. But I'm still certain there is some chiapet in lebron's shit. I can see a small improvement. Not a full solid recovery.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 29, 2014, 01:41:31 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on September 29, 2014, 01:38:07 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on September 29, 2014, 01:36:30 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on September 29, 2014, 01:35:00 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on September 29, 2014, 01:32:24 PM
http://deadspin.com/lebrons-hair-is-gone-again-what-the-hell-1640293873?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

In this link above white people don't understand how black dudes hair works.

 :what

I have a similar issue as lebron. Receding front hairline. When it gets hot and heated or say when you just wake up its not laying down and straight. So it appears a lot more sparse. When you brush it or put hair product in, it lays down. And it appears like there is more of it even though you can still see its thinning there in comparison to the rest of your hair.

And that's today's episode of getting to know black people.

Dude...look at the pic at the top of the page. Look again. Now look at his pics yesterday. Some magical shit was done there. C'mon man.

I could show you the same thing with my hair. I won't. But I could.

Some days I hop out of the shower and its all I can do to not cry.

Ten minutes later after a brushing and some hair gel, I'm back to Billy Dee Williams. It happens.

To be fair I've shaved my head since college. But I'm still certain there is some chiapet in lebron's shit. I can see a small improvement. Not a full solid recovery.

And to be fair on the other said, he certainly could be potentially doing something. Some men are very vain. Years ago before my dad passed he was in the hospital for a few months. The #1 thing he wanted was his hair dye so he could get it back to black from grey. And this was a dude who was balding anyway. He basically looked like Sherman Hemsley.

I grew up in the jordan era so a much larger percentage of those dudes just say, shave it off.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 29, 2014, 01:42:52 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on September 29, 2014, 01:41:31 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on September 29, 2014, 01:38:07 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on September 29, 2014, 01:36:30 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on September 29, 2014, 01:35:00 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on September 29, 2014, 01:32:24 PM
http://deadspin.com/lebrons-hair-is-gone-again-what-the-hell-1640293873?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

In this link above white people don't understand how black dudes hair works.

 :what

I have a similar issue as lebron. Receding front hairline. When it gets hot and heated or say when you just wake up its not laying down and straight. So it appears a lot more sparse. When you brush it or put hair product in, it lays down. And it appears like there is more of it even though you can still see its thinning there in comparison to the rest of your hair.

And that's today's episode of getting to know black people.

Dude...look at the pic at the top of the page. Look again. Now look at his pics yesterday. Some magical shit was done there. C'mon man.

I could show you the same thing with my hair. I won't. But I could.

Some days I hop out of the shower and its all I can do to not cry.

Ten minutes later after a brushing and some hair gel, I'm back to Billy Dee Williams. It happens.

To be fair I've shaved my head since college. But I'm still certain there is some chiapet in lebron's shit. I can see a small improvement. Not a full solid recovery.

And to be fair on the other said, he certainly could be potentially doing something. Some men are very vain. Years ago before my dad passed he was in the hospital for a few months. The #1 thing he wanted was his hair dye so he could get it back to black from grey. And this was a dude who was balding anyway. He basically looked like Sherman Hemsley.

I'm with your dad. I found some grays growing out a a year or so ago so now I shave my head the minute I see hair buds. And I won't grow a beard because I won't admit I need just for men.


#firstworldproblems
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 29, 2014, 01:48:53 PM
I kinda miss when World B Free looking dudes just played in the NBA.

(http://blak4rest.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/free1.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on September 29, 2014, 02:16:58 PM
I'd shave my hair off too if I thought I'd look okay bald. But I have a big head. Big bald heads don't... work.

At least my hairline is just receding slowly and doesn't seem to be thinning at all.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 29, 2014, 02:23:17 PM
It's clear LeBron doesn't have the hair for the hairline he debuted in the interview. I also have issues with hair laying down but nah...look at the hairline towards the ends.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 29, 2014, 02:31:55 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on September 29, 2014, 01:48:53 PM
I kinda miss when World B Free looking dudes just played in the NBA.

(http://blak4rest.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/free1.jpg)

(http://www.sportguru.net/im/007/04/clyde51.jpg)

Clyde had 0 fucks to give.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 29, 2014, 02:52:08 PM
Quote from: Beezy on September 29, 2014, 02:16:58 PM
I'd shave my hair off too if I thought I'd look okay bald. But I have a big head. Big bald heads don't... work.

At least my hairline is just receding slowly and doesn't seem to be thinning at all.

I don't know if big is the problem. Some brothers have pretty big heads but they can still rock a nice bald head.

Ving Rhames springs to mind.

I think some dudes kinda have mis-shapen heads though. And hair covers that. But baldness can make it look a bit odd. Like a Deebo kind of head.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on September 30, 2014, 05:05:01 PM
your god is throwing shade
https://vine.co/v/OmAKP79pvmV
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 01, 2014, 11:34:31 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tCOr6q8rTQ&feature=youtu.be

 :mynicca
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 01, 2014, 12:36:52 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 01, 2014, 11:34:31 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tCOr6q8rTQ&feature=youtu.be

 :mynicca

To bad he isn't as good as Kyrie Irving. Look at him though all thug going after the puppy. Come at Iriving with your bullshit bro.

Also look forward to your 0-4 playoff record against the cavs.

Edit: Lebron and Love should just reply and clown their whole bullshit squad.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 01, 2014, 02:47:51 PM
lol dude.  Wizards are going to be great this season.  And Wall/Irving were pretty much statistically equal last season.  Wall had more assists (mostly due to Irving shouldering most of the offensive load)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on October 01, 2014, 03:03:00 PM
Media Day bingo card. This thing is great.

(http://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/assets/5079594/MediaDayBingo2.PNG)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 01, 2014, 03:06:24 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on October 01, 2014, 02:47:51 PM
lol dude.  Wizards are going to be great this season.  And Wall/Irving were pretty much statistically equal last season.  Wall had more assists (mostly due to Irving shouldering most of the offensive load)


Cavs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wizards, bro
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 01, 2014, 03:12:47 PM
We don't know shit about shit.  Cavs definitely have the POTENTIAL to be the top team in the East.  But the Wizards have proven to be a good team in the East, and they will most assuredly get better this season.  Wouldn't surprise me if they end up being the 3 or 4 seed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 01, 2014, 03:14:54 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on October 01, 2014, 03:12:47 PM
We don't know shit about shit.  Cavs definitely have the POTENTIAL to be the top team in the East.  But the Wizards have proven to be a good team in the East, and they will most assuredly get better this season.  Wouldn't surprise me if they end up being the 3 or 4 seed.

I will punch you in the fart box.


You're actually correct. But I still hate the Wizards from the last time the turds thought they could beat the Cavs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 02, 2014, 01:43:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujmWN_HSNcc
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 02, 2014, 01:46:58 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 02, 2014, 01:43:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujmWN_HSNcc

Seriously, fuck Shaq. He needs to drop out of the media, douchebag.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on October 02, 2014, 01:52:21 PM
They should point out that Shaq has been stealing CWebb's spot on TNT for years.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on October 02, 2014, 05:39:13 PM
http://deadspin.com/watch-scenes-from-stephon-marburys-weird-ass-chinese-mu-1641808936

i cant
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 02, 2014, 05:47:15 PM
Marbury the GOAT.

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/stephon-marbury-got-ejected-and-locked-up-after-a-fight-in-a-chinese-league-game.188429/
(http://i.imgur.com/ob0zAY0.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 02, 2014, 08:29:07 PM
(http://giant.gfycat.com/ZestyJoyousAsiansmallclawedotter.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 03, 2014, 03:27:33 AM
Love is right there with them in the break.  :gladbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Brehvolution on October 03, 2014, 02:18:38 PM
Birdman's tattoos have reached a whole new level.
(http://33.media.tumblr.com/126723fb34e77b30d6a741d5d1333b0c/tumblr_nazjtgZRb71s9rrcgo1_500.gif)
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/dc89e700a44ac58ff00a9027df4d1361/tumblr_nazjtgZRb71s9rrcgo2_500.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 03, 2014, 07:31:55 PM
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/10/3/6902609/nba-draft-lottery-reform-2015-philadelphia-76ers-tank
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on October 03, 2014, 07:39:42 PM
You can't put in those changes without changing the imbalance of power between large markets and small markets in Free Agency, and you can't change that imbalance without changing the culture in the NBA that heightens that imbalance.

I know the Sixers are acting like a minor league team, but that's one GM in the league going to an extreme. It's one problem you're going to exchange for multiple problems if you do this the wrong way.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 03, 2014, 07:56:29 PM
I think it would be simpler to put in rules that basically forbid a team that gets a top 3 pick from getting the top 3 pick in x number of future drafts.

You can play with the numbers on that somewhat and I still think you end up with a better system.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 05, 2014, 10:30:51 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2014/10/04/san-antonio-spurs-coach-gregg-popovich-dreads-approaching-end-of-tim-duncans-career/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 05, 2014, 10:09:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ6B_b6RR0c

Can't wait for the season to start.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 05, 2014, 10:21:06 PM
Good god at Love, Thompson and Varejao's rebounds in the minutes played.  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 06, 2014, 08:44:43 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 05, 2014, 10:21:06 PM
Good god at Love, Thompson and Varejao's rebounds in the minutes played.  :lol

Don't forget Lebron ain't no scrub either at grabbing boards.

We gonna get like all them rebounds.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 06, 2014, 09:58:20 AM
A Cavs team where Lebron isn't pounding a hole into the floor for 95% of the time.

 :lawd

Lebron-Varejao backdoor passes.

Kyrie not getting double teamed.

Not relying on Dion Waiters to win games.

:lawd

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 06, 2014, 10:31:36 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on October 06, 2014, 09:58:20 AM
A Cavs team where Lebron isn't pounding a hole into the floor for 95% of the time.

 :lawd

Lebron-Varejao backdoor passes.

Kyrie not getting double teamed.

Not relying on Dion Waiters to win games.

:lawd

Between the Indians winning 85 games, the browns actually looking like a football team, and our own arch-villian Cavs team it's good to be a Cleveland guy right about now  :D
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: T234 on October 06, 2014, 11:12:01 AM
They are indeed an impressive squad.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 06, 2014, 11:17:25 AM
https://pressroom.turner.com/us/turner-sports/nba-digital/turner-broadcasting-and-national-basketball-association-reach-nine-year#.VDKyLlCCOSN
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2014/10/06/nba-tv-deal-espn-turner/16807359/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: T234 on October 06, 2014, 12:00:41 PM
TNT's coverage of the NBA is just vastly superior to ESPN's.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 06, 2014, 12:02:19 PM
Quote from: T234 on October 06, 2014, 12:00:41 PM
TNT's coverage of the NBA is just vastly superior to ESPN's.

Agreed, I can never get enough of Barkley. He's freaking awesome.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: etiolate on October 06, 2014, 01:39:00 PM
From what I've read, the NBA couldn't negotiate with other partners until next year. So ESPN got the renewal done now so they can keep others from getting any games. It's a shame because ESPN/ABC's coverage is kind of damaging for the league it's so shite.

On the bright side, TNT is going to do more games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 06, 2014, 01:41:16 PM
Quote from: etiolate on October 06, 2014, 01:39:00 PM
From what I've read, the NBA couldn't negotiate with other partners until next year. So ESPN got the renewal done now so they can keep others from getting any games. It's a shame because ESPN/ABC's coverage is kind of damaging for the league it's so shite.

On the bright side, TNT is going to do more games.

ESPN's coverage of games is horrible. I can't stand 99% of their crew.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 06, 2014, 01:43:29 PM
ESPN/ABC coverage does suck but there is something to be said from a marketing/awareness angle because of the cross promotion it offers with sportscenter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 06, 2014, 01:46:57 PM
Seems like this opens the door to some late night network games. ESPN/ABC suck but it'll be good to return to evening games. NFL blueprint, finally.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 06, 2014, 01:47:36 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 06, 2014, 01:46:57 PM
Seems like this opens the door to some late night network games. ESPN/ABC suck but it'll be good to return to evening games. NFL blueprint, finally.

One would hope so. I would like to see Denver or Portland play a few more times a year. Lakers......not so much.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: etiolate on October 06, 2014, 01:51:35 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 06, 2014, 01:43:29 PM
ESPN/ABC coverage does suck but there is something to be said from a marketing/awareness angle because of the cross promotion it offers with sportscenter.

It does buff their sportscenter coverage, but I feel the way ABC acts like NBA is an afterthought does PR damage. It's like the only national coverage the NBA gets and it always feels like ABC doesn't give a fuck.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 06, 2014, 01:52:43 PM
Quote from: etiolate on October 06, 2014, 01:51:35 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 06, 2014, 01:43:29 PM
ESPN/ABC coverage does suck but there is something to be said from a marketing/awareness angle because of the cross promotion it offers with sportscenter.

It does buff their sportscenter coverage, but I feel the way ABC acts like NBA is an afterthought does PR damage. It's like the only national coverage the NBA gets and it always feels like ABC doesn't give a fuck.

needs more marv albert and mike fratello imo.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: etiolate on October 06, 2014, 01:53:54 PM
I loved Jon Barry as a player. I even have a Barry kings jersey.

But I can't stand him as an announcer. ESPN/ABC loves his ass though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 06, 2014, 01:56:14 PM
Quote from: etiolate on October 06, 2014, 01:51:35 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 06, 2014, 01:43:29 PM
ESPN/ABC coverage does suck but there is something to be said from a marketing/awareness angle because of the cross promotion it offers with sportscenter.

It does buff their sportscenter coverage, but I feel the way ABC acts like NBA is an afterthought does PR damage. It's like the only national coverage the NBA gets and it always feels like ABC doesn't give a fuck.

I don't disagree.

I grew up with the NBA on CBS and it was treated in a very great manner. Same when it went to NBC. ABC does a real shit job with it in all respects compared to what came before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQmtKOOBO2I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLvTGBy-ESg

ABC has never embraced the drama and promotion the way the other networks did.

Instead we get this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJQxtDL_vww

 :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: etiolate on October 06, 2014, 02:03:45 PM
Oh well. NBATV is pretty good at least. Payton, Webber, Steve Smith and others are decent to good. Fan night picks are cool since you sometimes get non-major teams. Plus the classic games.


http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nbas-new-tv-deal-blow-up-the-salary-cap/

Lowe article on how this MAY change the salary cap. I doubt the NBA wants the cap to balloon quickly. Most of the article is about FAs or a possible strike, but I think players signed on longer contracts -pre-TV deal will be more valuable or desirable now that they eat up la smaller % of cap space.

Like the Josh Smith deal frightened me for the Kings, but if the cap reaches 80 million, his deal is going to be the same that some lesser players are going to get in the coming years.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 06, 2014, 02:15:02 PM
http://www.engadget.com/2014/10/05/espn-nba-live-streaming-service-leak/?ncid=rss_truncated


:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Brehvolution on October 06, 2014, 02:16:50 PM
Does Marv still like to bite people?
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 06, 2014, 02:19:26 PM
Quote from: etiolate on October 06, 2014, 01:53:54 PM
I loved Jon Barry as a player. I even have a Barry kings jersey.

But I can't stand him as an announcer. ESPN/ABC loves his ass though.

He's worse than cancer. Barry is one of the few announcers who will make me turn off a game. I find him that annoying and awful. At least he's been demoted to the lesser games more often than not.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: etiolate on October 06, 2014, 02:20:38 PM
oh god

I thought Pitbull was Jason Kidd when I started watching that youtube.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: etiolate on October 06, 2014, 02:31:44 PM
Quote
Effective with the start of the 2016-17 NBA regular season and extending through the 2024-25 campaign, TNT will have the following rights:
The network will be the home of NBA Opening Night;
Exclusive Thursday Night regular season doubleheaders;
TNT’s additional 12 games will air over the second half of the season on another night of the week than the network’s traditional Thursday Night doubleheaders;
Exclusive coverage of NBA All-Star Weekend signature events including NBA All-Star Saturday Night and the NBA All-Star Game;
More NBA Playoff games than any other network. TNT’s coverage of the NBA Playoffs will include live first round coverage, exclusive second round game telecasts and one Conference Finals (alternating between the Eastern and Western Conference each year).

https://pressroom.turner.com/us/turner-sports/nba-digital/turner-broadcasting-and-national-basketball-association-reach-nine-year#.VDLfifldVXx
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 06, 2014, 02:34:35 PM
Also eventually flex scheduling on TNT so we aren't stuck with whatever was scheduled at the beginning of the season if a better game opens up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 06, 2014, 02:38:05 PM
Stony is so right about the trivial way ABC/ESPN markets games. I'm not opposed to having some theme song every year...who cares. But basing all promotion around the (usually uptempo/party) song is just stupid to me. Who does that appeal to?

Notice how dramatic NFL games are marketed. Last night it was "is this the end of Tom Brady?" And it wasn't even that over-dramatic.

And when they actually do a dramatic story it's about LeBron, and asinine.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 06, 2014, 02:58:19 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 06, 2014, 02:38:05 PM
Stony is so right about the trivial way ABC/ESPN markets games. I'm not opposed to having some theme song every year...who cares. But basing all promotion around the (usually uptempo/party) song is just stupid to me. Who does that appeal to?

Notice how dramatic NFL games are marketed. Last night it was "is this the end of Tom Brady?" And it wasn't even that over-dramatic.

And when they actually do a dramatic story it's about LeBron, and asinine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjmAtgbT-hQ

I think the mini-movies the NBA does get it and achieve the right tone. But yeah the tone should be serious and build on the drama that is inherent in your sport. I'm not against pop music. I'm just saying it shouldn't be the emotional crux you build the drama around. The atmosphere shouldn't be this is a party. It should be this is a war. That is what attracts people. You build drama off your history and legacy and timeless elements. Not the flavor of the moment pop song. That's fine for the all-star game. But your playoff promotion should be better than that.

This is the right tone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT4D0t3jH5k


Not this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx3OBCjhf0Y


But I'll stop beating a dead horse.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: etiolate on October 06, 2014, 03:52:51 PM
Well, ABC acts as though its audience doesn't know half the playoff teams or what's gone on in the NBA. The ABC production works under the influence of what little attention ABC gives the NBA. To do the narrative promos that NBC and CBS does, you need to have shown more games and cared about the season more. ABC doesn't do that, so they treat it like a one-off variety show.

You can't do that "Remember that Blazers-Bulls matchup during the regular season?" if you never showed it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: etiolate on October 06, 2014, 04:36:41 PM
I suddenly want a Lebron Halloween mask.

I guess that would be literal black face though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: etiolate on October 06, 2014, 04:41:52 PM
Quote from: etiolate on October 06, 2014, 02:03:45 PM
Oh well. NBATV is pretty good at least. Payton, Webber, Steve Smith and others are decent to good. Fan night picks are cool since you sometimes get non-major teams. Plus the classic games.


http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nbas-new-tv-deal-blow-up-the-salary-cap/

Lowe article on how this MAY change the salary cap. I doubt the NBA wants the cap to balloon quickly. Most of the article is about FAs or a possible strike, but I think players signed on longer contracts -pre-TV deal will be more valuable or desirable now that they eat up la smaller % of cap space.

Like the Josh Smith deal frightened me for the Kings, but if the cap reaches 80 million, his deal is going to be the same that some lesser players are going to get in the coming years.

And now here's an article saying the same thing

http://www.businessinsider.com/nba-contracts-cheaper-salary-cap-2014-10
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 07, 2014, 04:12:15 PM
Quote
Kobe BryantVerified account
‏@kobebryant
Players are "encouraged" per new CBA to take less to win or risk being called selfish+ungrateful while nbatv deal goes UP by a BILLION

I agree with him but I find it funny that he's more aggressive with this stuff since he signed that crazy last contract of his.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Kara on October 07, 2014, 04:49:02 PM
Well he was in all likelihood underpaid for most of his career, so there's that to consider. His current albatross is the concordatory equivalent of a pity fuck. :heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Your Stalker on October 07, 2014, 06:25:59 PM
So when's the next lockout? 2016?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 09, 2014, 01:36:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIxjdOVkHto&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: etiolate on October 09, 2014, 04:27:39 PM
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nba-court-news-zaza-finally-buys-milwaukees-old-floor-and-the-cavs-new-look-falls-flat/

Quote
Pachulia came up with the idea a year ago, when he found out the Bucks were ditching their old Bradley Center floor in favor of a snazzy new Mecca throwback court. Pachulia grew up in Georgia, playing on courts that have grown shoddier over time and glimpsing the NBA through newspaper box scores and the occasional televised game. It would be a nice gesture, he thought, to install a real NBA court in one of Georgia’s basketball academies.

This is great.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 09, 2014, 05:33:48 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2225639-kevin-love-faces-unsettling-transition-alongside-lebron-says-chris-bosh

Man I so want to see Wade and Bosh numbers this year. I mean the raw numbers will almost certainly go up but I want to see those fg% and how successful the team is. Should be interesting at the minimum as a lot of observations will be drawn from this stuff.

Same with Cavs of course. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2014, 02:57:29 AM
I'm kind of bummed they play each other in the preseason first, before the regular season. Similar to how the NFL's preseason began with a Super Bowl rematch. Why...

Man they should cut the nba season to 60 games. Maybe 70.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Fifstar on October 10, 2014, 06:15:48 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 09, 2014, 01:36:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIxjdOVkHto&feature=youtu.be

Don't really care about our league but that still gave me goosebumps. Those guys are never going to forget that moment.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 10, 2014, 09:37:11 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2014, 02:57:29 AM
I'm kind of bummed they play each other in the preseason first, before the regular season. Similar to how the NFL's preseason began with a Super Bowl rematch. Why...

Man they should cut the nba season to 60 games. Maybe 70.

Really?  I think Basketball is the one major US sport that nails regular season/post season length perfectly.  Four full months of play, then three more months for the conference champions.  As opposed to baseball's nearly 6 months of regular season play (ugh).

I guess 70 wouldn't be terrible though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 10, 2014, 10:18:00 AM
I dunno, I think they could shave 10 games off. Those back to backs they have to play are bullshit.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: T-Short on October 10, 2014, 05:02:36 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/michael-beasley-signs-one-year-deal-with-shanghai-sharks-185035868.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/michael-beasley-signs-one-year-deal-with-shanghai-sharks-185035868.html)

Too bad. Kinda sad to see him go, but I guess he can only blame himself for throwing his talent away.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2014, 08:45:02 PM
Dude could have been an allstar. He was nearly as dominant as Durant was in college, and actually had an NBA body. What a waste...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: benjipwns on October 10, 2014, 09:55:50 PM
I thought he was sorta turning the corner last year. Spurs kicked the tires on him this offseason even.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 10, 2014, 10:12:10 PM
He was ust as ineffective with the heat as he was with the Suns.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 10, 2014, 11:13:19 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 10, 2014, 09:55:50 PM
I thought he was sorta turning the corner last year. Spurs kicked the tires on him this offseason even.

He started off the season decently but he got in the dog house for not playing on the defensive end and apparently was causing problems in the locker-room due to his immaturity. I didn't think the spurs thing would work out at all.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/22/report-lebron-james-was-not-pleased-with-michael-beasleys-focus/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: benjipwns on October 10, 2014, 11:37:58 PM
Huh, I had heard during the season that LeBron was surprised with his effort and was prodding Spoelstra to play them more together. Guess that must have changed as the season went on. (And the team crumbled around LeBron.)

Him AND Oden not working out really undid them, I mean, you have to think a decent effort from Beasley would have been a better option than Rashard Lewis as a key player for the last two rounds of the playoffs.  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 11, 2014, 02:01:14 PM
Trouble in paradise already.

Quote
For the second time since the Mavs reported to camp, Carlisle made a point to note that Parsons needs to shed weight. The 6-foot-9 Parsons, who was listed at 215 pounds during his three-year tenure with the Houston Rockets, reported to training camp at approximately 235 pounds.

Carlisle believes the increased weight has created conditioning issues for Parsons, who had nine points on 4-of-12 shooting, six rebounds and six assists in 20 minutes during Friday night's preseason loss to the Oklahoma City Thunder.

"He looked tired out there tonight to me, and his shot is short," Carlisle said. "He's working on losing some weight. He's a little bit heavier than he's been. He's up over 230, and we want to see him get down to at least 225. That's a work in progress, and tonight's one of those nights where I think the extra weight was a hindrance."

Parsons particularly focused on lifting weights during the free-agency process, when he didn't play basketball to protect himself from injury. Primarily a small forward, Parsons felt he needed to add strength to play significant minutes at power forward, a role he could fill for the Mavs when Dirk Nowitzki rests during the season.

Carlisle has made his opinion clear to Parsons, who doesn't necessarily agree with his coach on the matter but is willing to shed some weight.

"His opinion of heavy is different than mine," said Parsons, who was 1-of-6 from 3-point range against the Thunder. "We kind of go at it every day about it. At the end of the day, I respect his opinion. After training camp, my weight fluctuates. I'll get it down."


http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/11679275/rick-carlisle-dallas-mavericks-chandler-parsons-added-too-much-weight-offseason
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: T-Short on October 11, 2014, 05:52:07 PM
Watching this Cavs - Heat game. Chalmers has really slimmed down!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 11, 2014, 09:17:03 PM
Shit missed the game. Looks like it was a good one. I'll try to find a torrent of it or something.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: benjipwns on October 11, 2014, 11:44:39 PM
LeBron accidentally set a pick on a Dellavedova  :lol

https://vine.co/v/OAITz5AZ2up

I've always wondered if guys after spending a long time with a team and get traded whatever wind up accidentally doing stuff like this in their first game with their old team if it comes early enough.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 12, 2014, 12:08:36 AM
Find torrent of game to download. It finishes quickly. Happy to start watching. Start file. Skip over pregrame show stuff.

 :rejoice

Jon Barry is one the commentators.

 :what
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 12, 2014, 01:27:52 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11684005/bradley-beal-washington-wizards-fractured-left-wrist

Beal out two months.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 12, 2014, 01:48:41 AM
fuck :fbm

Old man Pierce gonna have to start
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 12, 2014, 02:22:06 AM
Finished up the game.

My completely hasty conclusions.

Game wasn't close despite the final score. The starters played until about halfway through the 3rd and Miami was up about 16 at that point and that was with Lebron looking like he was going at about half effort. The heat benchwarmers (napier) made a run at the end of the game against the cavs benchwarmers which is what made it go into OT.

Cleveland offense looked great as you would expect. You forget that Kevin Love is a really good passer. And he's basically a much much better version of Bosh because he's actually a good 3 point shooter. He was 9 of 12. 25 points and 7 rebounds. (Yeah bosh its gonna be so difficult for him to transition his game.  :lol)

Dion Waiters seems like he will benefit the most out of this whole situation. As like the 4th option he is offensively way better than whoever is going to be guarding him while the defense concentrates on irving, love, and lebron.

Napier looked good on the second unit. Deng looks like he will be really useful for the heat even though he can't shoot a lick. And Bosh looks like he's going to be an inside player now mostly like he was in Toronto.

Chalmers looks like he indeed has lost a ton of weight as mentioned above. Not sure why that wasn't a priority over the last 4 seasons before this.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: benjipwns on October 12, 2014, 02:46:59 AM
Love kinda is basically Bosh with all his flaws (for the system) fixed. Passing, shooting, rebounding.

Bosh wasn't exactly a great defender before he got to Miami either. And he never really seemed to figure out how to score a lot with the ball in LeBron and Wade's hands all the time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 12, 2014, 10:43:45 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 11, 2014, 11:44:39 PM
LeBron accidentally set a pick on a Dellavedova  :lol

https://vine.co/v/OAITz5AZ2up

I've always wondered if guys after spending a long time with a team and get traded whatever wind up accidentally doing stuff like this in their first game with their old team if it comes early enough.

Saw that....lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 12, 2014, 11:16:55 AM
Seems like LeBron took a back seat for Love just to make a statement to Bosh. Honestly I didn't think Bosh's comments were wrong or ill meant. When you play with the best player in the league you no longer are the first option, and have to get used to playing second or third fiddle. Love hasn't NOT been the main guy in years, perhaps since his rookie year. Of course it'll be a challenge. Admitting that isn't a commentary on selfishness, it's just reality.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 12, 2014, 11:21:54 AM
Durant out indefinitely.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 12, 2014, 11:35:22 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 12, 2014, 11:16:55 AM
Seems like LeBron took a back seat for Love just to make a statement to Bosh. Honestly I didn't think Bosh's comments were wrong or ill meant. When you play with the best player in the league you no longer are the first option, and have to get used to playing second or third fiddle. Love hasn't NOT been the main guy in years, perhaps since his rookie year. Of course it'll be a challenge. Admitting that isn't a commentary on selfishness, it's just reality.

I like Bosh. But my problem with his comments is that he made it all seem like downside instead of what is also the upside of having so much attention devoted to other players so that its nearly impossible to double team you like when you are sole focus on offense.

It also doesn't explain him disappearing and losing confidence in certain playoff series where the Heat really needed him to step up and take the pressure of Wade or Lebron but he played very tentatively and passively imo. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 12, 2014, 11:43:03 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 12, 2014, 11:16:55 AM
Seems like LeBron took a back seat for Love just to make a statement to Bosh. Honestly I didn't think Bosh's comments were wrong or ill meant. When you play with the best player in the league you no longer are the first option, and have to get used to playing second or third fiddle. Love hasn't NOT been the main guy in years, perhaps since his rookie year. Of course it'll be a challenge. Admitting that isn't a commentary on selfishness, it's just reality.

Well said. But let me run this past you;

Love outscores Lebron this year. LBJ is past the need to be the alpha scorer. I see him going 20 8a 6r this year on about 12-15 shots a game. I see Love getting 25+. Call it a hunch.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 12, 2014, 12:26:49 PM
Lol not a chance

Lebron is still the number one scoring option, and would be on any team sans the Thunder.  Love will get up in the 20s for points, but his role has changed in the Cavs team.  He's not going to need to score 30 a night with Lebron driving to the hoop and Kylie, Miller, and Waiters on the outside waiting for no look passes
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Your Stalker on October 12, 2014, 04:03:02 PM
Time for GOATbrook to take 40 shots a game
(http://i.imgur.com/nZMymzO.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 12, 2014, 06:51:59 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on October 12, 2014, 12:26:49 PM
Lol not a chance

Lebron is still the number one scoring option, and would be on any team sans the Thunder.  Love will get up in the 20s for points, but his role has changed in the Cavs team.  He's not going to need to score 30 a night with Lebron driving to the hoop and Kylie, Miller, and Waiters on the outside waiting for no look passes

You don't know Lebron...just watch :-)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: benjipwns on October 12, 2014, 07:08:24 PM
(http://h9.abload.de/img/untitled-2pzb9y.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 12, 2014, 07:23:58 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 11, 2014, 02:01:14 PM
Trouble in paradise already.

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For the second time since the Mavs reported to camp, Carlisle made a point to note that Parsons needs to shed weight. The 6-foot-9 Parsons, who was listed at 215 pounds during his three-year tenure with the Houston Rockets, reported to training camp at approximately 235 pounds.

Carlisle believes the increased weight has created conditioning issues for Parsons, who had nine points on 4-of-12 shooting, six rebounds and six assists in 20 minutes during Friday night's preseason loss to the Oklahoma City Thunder.

"He looked tired out there tonight to me, and his shot is short," Carlisle said. "He's working on losing some weight. He's a little bit heavier than he's been. He's up over 230, and we want to see him get down to at least 225. That's a work in progress, and tonight's one of those nights where I think the extra weight was a hindrance."

Parsons particularly focused on lifting weights during the free-agency process, when he didn't play basketball to protect himself from injury. Primarily a small forward, Parsons felt he needed to add strength to play significant minutes at power forward, a role he could fill for the Mavs when Dirk Nowitzki rests during the season.

Carlisle has made his opinion clear to Parsons, who doesn't necessarily agree with his coach on the matter but is willing to shed some weight.

"His opinion of heavy is different than mine," said Parsons, who was 1-of-6 from 3-point range against the Thunder. "We kind of go at it every day about it. At the end of the day, I respect his opinion. After training camp, my weight fluctuates. I'll get it down."


http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/11679275/rick-carlisle-dallas-mavericks-chandler-parsons-added-too-much-weight-offseason


http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/11689085/rick-carlisle-dallas-mavericks-apologizes-chandler-parsons-comments

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: etiolate on October 13, 2014, 01:46:21 PM
I just realized the Lakers backcourt rotation is Nash, Kobe, Lin and Young. How are they not giving up 50 to the opposing backcourt every night?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 13, 2014, 03:06:01 PM
KD out?
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 13, 2014, 03:09:09 PM
Quote from: etiolate on October 13, 2014, 01:46:21 PM
I just realized the Lakers backcourt rotation is Nash, Kobe, Lin and Young. How are they not giving up 50 to the opposing backcourt every night?

Kobe won't let it happen.
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 15, 2014, 12:45:08 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNRkHTskLmY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGSfpy7Zk-Q&list=UUwLr_DYKR8aS0k4r8bB5I5Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbND8jF10DQ&list=UUwLr_DYKR8aS0k4r8bB5I5Q
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 15, 2014, 12:10:01 PM
Anybody who thinks they are better than a collegiate/professional player should just watch this video and STFU

"I ain't travelled since I was 6"  lol

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/10/14/6977877/jason-williams-orlando-pro-am-basketball-video

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 15, 2014, 02:15:26 PM
Kobe is the new Norma Rae.

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When asked what his recent extension means given the financial reality, Bryant said: "I'm the luckiest basketball player in the league, because I got very fortunate to be with an organization that takes care of its players, rewards its players and has a long history of doing that."

He added: "I think it speaks volumes, not only to me and to this city but to other players around this league as well. You look around at some of the other owners that try to milk their players or get rid of them or discard them, this organization doesn't do that."

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/11702415/kobe-bryant-los-angeles-lakers-players-overpaid-owners
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Steve Contra on October 15, 2014, 02:24:10 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 15, 2014, 12:10:01 PM
Anybody who thinks they are better than a collegiate/professional player should just watch this video and STFU

"I ain't travelled since I was 6"  lol

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/10/14/6977877/jason-williams-orlando-pro-am-basketball-video
It's like when people argue that the best NCAA team could beat the worst NBA team and you're like  :heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 15, 2014, 02:28:45 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on October 15, 2014, 02:24:10 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 15, 2014, 12:10:01 PM
Anybody who thinks they are better than a collegiate/professional player should just watch this video and STFU

"I ain't travelled since I was 6"  lol

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/10/14/6977877/jason-williams-orlando-pro-am-basketball-video
It's like when people argue that the best NCAA team could beat the worst NBA team and you're like  :heh

Indeed  :ufup
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 15, 2014, 03:14:46 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 15, 2014, 12:45:08 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNRkHTskLmY


I don't know if I can make it through another season of Austin Carr doing color.  :shaq2

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 15, 2014, 03:15:51 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on October 15, 2014, 03:14:46 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 15, 2014, 12:45:08 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNRkHTskLmY


I don't know if I can make it through another season of Austin Carr doing color. :dead

God he is terrible. My favorite is when he confuses himself during his own sentence.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2014, 01:43:50 AM
ESPN Predictions:
1. CLE (59-23)
2. CHI (53-29)
3. WAS (47-35)
4. TOR (47-35)
5. MIA (45-37)
6. CHA (44-38)
7. ATL (41-41)
8. BRK (40-42)
9. NYK (38-44)
10. IND (37-45)
11. DET (33-49)
12. ORL (26-56)
13. BOS (26-56)
14. MIL (23-59)
15. PHI (17-65)

1. SAS (58-24)
2. LAC (57-25)
3. OKC (54-28)
4. GSW (51-31)
5. POR (50-32)
6. DAL (50-32)
7. HOU (49-33)
8. MEM (48-34)
9. PHO (45-37)
10. NOP (41-41)
11. DEN (38-44)
12. SAC (30-52)
13. LAL (29-53)
14. MIN (28-54)
15. UTA (26-56)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2014, 01:47:38 AM
Quote from: Steve Contra on October 15, 2014, 02:24:10 PM
It's like when people argue that the best NCAA team could beat the worst NBA team and you're like  :heh
I think that depends on the year/team. Some of those Kentucky/Duke teams that were stacked with five lottery picks who became All-Stars/starters probably have a good shot at taking down somebody like the 2011-12 Bobcats.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Kara on October 16, 2014, 01:54:33 AM
Ben Howland would find a way to lose a game like that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2014, 02:04:22 AM
ESPN's "SCHOENE" Projections:
1. CLE (68-14)
2. CHI (57-25)
3. CHA (48-34)
4. WAS (43-39)
5. TOR (42-40)
6. DET (42-40)
7. ATL (40-42)
8. NYK (40-42)
9. BRK (36-46)
10. IND (35-47)
11. MIA (34-48)
12. MIL (27-55)
13. ORL (25-57)
14. BOS (24-58)
15. PHI (14-68)

1. LAC (60-22)
2. SAS (57-25)
3. HOU (53-29)
4. POR (52-30)
5. OKC (50-32)
6. GSW (48-34)
7. NOP (47-35)
8. DAL (42-40)
9. PHO (42-40)
10. MEM (41-41)
11. DEN (41-41)
12. MIN (36-46)
13. SAC (32-50)
14. UTA (31-51)
15. LAL (29-53)

ESPN's "Real Plus-Minus" Projections:
1. CLE (56-26)
2. CHI (55-27)
3. WAS (48-34)
4. MIA (48-34)
5. TOR (47-35)
6. ATL (41-41)
7. NYK (41-41)
8. CHA (37-45)
9. IND (36-46)
10. BRK (35-47)
11. DET (30-52)
12. BOS (29-53)
13. ORL (24-58)
14. MIL (24-58)
15. PHI (14-68)

1. SAS (61-21)
2. GSW (61-21)
3. LAC (60-22)
4. DAL (60-22)
5. OKC (58-24)
6. MEM (57-25)
7. POR (50-32)
8. HOU (49-33)
9. PHO (49-33)
10. NOP (39-43)
11. MIN (34-48)
12. DEN (31-51)
13. SAC (26-56)
14. UTA (25-57)
15. LAL (21-61)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2014, 02:06:09 AM
I like the common theme in who finishes last in the West in the two stats-based ones. (http://i.imgur.com/SzofHCB.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 16, 2014, 02:41:09 AM
Wow those Laker projections are brutal.

 :kobeyuck

I'm probably being naive but I kind of thought they might be around a .500 team. I guess I'm way off with that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: T-Short on October 16, 2014, 02:46:58 AM
http://www.nba.com/2014/news/10/15/lakers-steve-nash-back-setback.ap/index.html (http://www.nba.com/2014/news/10/15/lakers-steve-nash-back-setback.ap/index.html)

jeez  :larry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 16, 2014, 02:51:14 AM
He's been done for awhile now. He's only hanging in to get that final big paycheck.


Which is what any normal human being would do.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f60uvx2v_Ys
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 16, 2014, 11:31:08 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hti0XgAqTI4&list=UUwLr_DYKR8aS0k4r8bB5I5Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBygyXd4i3k&list=UUwLr_DYKR8aS0k4r8bB5I5Q
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 16, 2014, 04:25:21 PM
Quote
Josh Smith and Detroit Pistons coach Stan Van Gundy had a good talk during the weekend.

The discussion was about what the forward does well, and both came up with the same general answers.

One thing not on the list is three-pointers. He doesn't need to shoot many this season.

"I think Josh has a very good understanding of the shots he needs to shoot that are not only best for him, but best for our team,'' Van Gundy said. "He's one of the elite guys in the league around the basket. Last year, stuff inside, right at the rim, in two straight years, he has been 71% and 77%. There's very few guys at that level. So he needs to get more of those. He knows that. He also understands he really doesn't need to shoot threes for this team.

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2014/10/15/detroit-pistons-josh-smith/17303577/

 :leon

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Brehvolution on October 17, 2014, 08:17:39 AM
Speaking of Detroit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOZlD9VByMU
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 17, 2014, 08:18:45 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84kiXnsbbmY&list=UUwLr_DYKR8aS0k4r8bB5I5Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjuykvfcWEQ
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 17, 2014, 10:30:14 AM
I'm sure Moe Cheeks had convos with Smith about that too, as did the previous coach. I just hope Smith gets benched if he reverts back to the bullshit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: T-Short on October 17, 2014, 01:12:28 PM
What the fuck. Will Bynum traded to Celtics for Joel Anthony? I guess Aaron Gray's heart condition necessitated this, but it makes this article a bit funny

http://pistonpowered.com/2014/10/16/fresh-start-will-bynum/ (http://pistonpowered.com/2014/10/16/fresh-start-will-bynum/)

edit: also, does this now make Jonas Jerebko the guy with the longest tenure on the current Pistons? :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: benjipwns on October 17, 2014, 07:52:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxVuySQT-eY
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 18, 2014, 12:41:40 AM
Quote
Bill Oram
‏@bill_oram
Scott says teams tend to be built to live and die by 3-pointers. "I don't believe it wins championships. Gets you to the playoffs."

 :kobeyuck

This Lakers season is going to be hilarious.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: benjipwns on October 18, 2014, 12:54:02 AM
I don't really get how he keeps getting work. This is a guy who had two contenders' star players basically demand he get fired and then Mike Brown rolled in and did more with the Cavs then he ever had, including getting them to play some defense.

Also, is he forgetting one of his roles on the Showtime team? It was bombing threes along with Coop! Even in the playoffs!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Your Stalker on October 18, 2014, 07:12:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmlTByKgX6w
(http://i.imgur.com/myv6rks.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 18, 2014, 09:41:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6kJIjQavCE

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It’s the kind of question Spurs coach Gregg Popovich, on any other day, would greet with an exasperated smirk.

And he definitely did that Saturday at the AT&T Center when asked about Phoenix owner Robert Sarver grabbing the mic late in Thursday’s exhibition blowout to apologize for the lackluster game and offer credit to ticketed attendees after the Hall of Fame coach and five Spurs players missed the game. But Popovich also had plenty to say.

“As I said, the silliness begins,” he said. “Most wise individuals would check facts before they made statements. Unless you’re interested in putting on a show. In that case, the facts get in your way, as in this case.

“We had five guys we didn’t send. Patty Mills had a shoulder operation over the summer. Tiago Splitter (calf) has been out the whole preseason. Kawhi Leonard (eye infection) was out and is still out for 10 more days. The other two, Duncan and Ginobili, are two of the oldest guys in the league who just came back from a 13-day European trip.

“The only thing that surprises me is that he didn’t say it in a chicken suit. I’ll just leave it at that.”

The chicken suit reference, in case you're not familiar, goes all the way back to 2005 when Sarver, early in his ownership days back then, was miffed that Pop rested Duncan and Ginobili in a late-season game at Phoenix and made wing-flapping "chicken" gestures over at the Spurs bench, accusing them of being afraid of the Steve Nash-Amar'e Stoudemire-Mike D'Antonio Suns. Phoenix ended up winning 107-101 that night and did indeed earn the top seed in the playoffs, but the Spurs wound up beating them in five games in the Western Conference Finals on their way to their third championship.

 :mynicca
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 19, 2014, 01:28:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umZPDpIB89I
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 20, 2014, 01:08:40 PM
http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11717596/is-kobe-bryant-reason-los-angeles-lakers-downfall


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REMEMBER RAMON SESSIONS? In the spring of 2012, after a trade from Cleveland, the pick-and-roll specialist was briefly the toast of LA, widely hailed as the post-Fisher point guard needed to steady the Lakers' ship. Sessions filled the role admirably, for a stretch, before a poor playoff performance. If you haven't heard his name in a while it's because when faced with the option of returning to the Lakers, quite possibly as a starter, he declined.

The deal Sessions signed instead was longer, and therefore came with more job security. But it was to back up Kemba Walker on the Bobcats, who were coming off literally the worst season in league history. Sessions has been somewhat evasive as to why, but he has been quoted as saying it was "definitely different" playing with Bryant. Internally, the Lakers were rattled by his departure and came to believe that Kobe was the key. It meant little as a transaction but everything as a sign of how players with options view this team.

"Peek behind the banners," says one longtime NBA agent, "and it's rotten."

"Kobe is like the big rock in their front yard," says an agent who has had a Lakers client in recent years. "You can't mow over it, so you just have to mow around it."

Another agent with current Lakers clients was asked whether Bryant undermined the team's rebuilding by alienating would-be free agent recruits. "Well, duh," he replied. "Isn't that obvious?"

IF ONE COMMON denominator has persisted throughout Bryant's tenure with the Lakers, it is this: The blame lands elsewhere, and usually with teammates. O'Neal -- at times a mentor to Bryant, at other times freestyle-rapping to a packed club in Manhattan, "Yo, Kobe, tell me how my ass taste" -- is one in a long line of Bryant's teammates who've struggled to stick to a single script in describing the singular man. Bynum, Gasol and Howard have each been at turns coy, reticent, warm or biting. And, in turn, each has taken massive doses of blame in the media without Bryant meaningfully coming to their rescue.

"I've had a lot of clients in the last five years, good players, who didn't want to play with Kobe," says an agent who has had numerous NBA stars. "They see that his teammates become the chronic public whipping boys. Anyone who could possibly challenge Kobe for the spotlight ends up becoming a pincushion for the media. Even Shaq."
(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/QbadP.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Steve Contra on October 20, 2014, 01:18:39 PM
Kobe's farewell tour is going to be the reverse Jeter, where people will remember he was worse than he actually was.  it's going to be glorious :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 20, 2014, 01:21:31 PM
Kobe sucked MJ's balls so hard he decided to act like him every day. Only difference is one changed the game and the other simply shoots 30 times a game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 20, 2014, 01:23:36 PM
Kobe was a great player and a smart guy but always a bit of a dick who was very eager to throw teammates under the bus. You could always tell the end of his career would end up messy like this when his talent level could no longer support the rest of the baggage.

He was the last and most successful of the nearly endless Jordan clones who eagerly emulated that Jordan model of its okay to be an asshole if you are winning. But times change. And people don't look the other way anymore like they did with Jordan.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 20, 2014, 01:33:20 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 20, 2014, 01:23:36 PM
Kobe was a great player and a smart guy but always a bit of a dick who was very eager to throw teammates under the bus. You could always tell the end of his career would end up messy like this when his talent level could no longer support the rest of the baggage.

He was the last and most successful of the nearly endless Jordan clones who eagerly emulated that Jordan model of its okay to be an asshole if you are winning. But times change. And people don't look the other way anymore like they did with Jordan.

kobe owes shaq a thank you card for those first 3 titles, period. Dude is totally anti-social and borderline psychotic.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 20, 2014, 04:39:42 PM
don't see how anyone can respect Kobe after he threw Shaq under the bus during the rape investigation. His man card was revoked on that day.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 20, 2014, 04:44:38 PM
The Karl Malone thing was also hugely weird and embarrassing. Which is not to say that Karl Malone is some kind of saint, but who goes to the media and says that stuff.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 20, 2014, 05:10:16 PM
Bulls versus Heat tonight on NBA TV. Should be at least an interesting first half as Love, Lebron, and Kyrie actually will play together which hasn't really happened much at all this preseason.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 20, 2014, 10:36:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOH5SQld6HQ&list=UUwLr_DYKR8aS0k4r8bB5I5Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yxJHKpB_Kc&list=UUwLr_DYKR8aS0k4r8bB5I5Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM-bRCGBw0M&list=UUwLr_DYKR8aS0k4r8bB5I5Q
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 21, 2014, 10:56:51 AM
Watched some of that game last night. Offensively they are better along than that first heat team, mainly because the parts fit better together and the heat have already set the template for how this thing should kind of work. It will of course be the defense that is the issue like here.

(http://giant.gfycat.com/YawningIckyBarebirdbat.gif)

I mean Kyrie tries and expends effort on defense unlike say Harden, but he just isn't very good at it. And Lebron picks his spots more than ever to expend energy on the defensive end.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 21, 2014, 10:58:10 AM
Well to be fair Rose looks real fucking good right now. If he plays like that all season nobody is going to be able to guard him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 21, 2014, 12:24:40 PM
Was very good last night and was hitting his jumpers but Kyrie's fundamentals on d just get him in trouble so much even though he means well.

Thought this was a fun clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73zKU3OEvBc
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 22, 2014, 10:38:54 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdZzK3BZvZs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlTLhyRNlwk&list=UUwLr_DYKR8aS0k4r8bB5I5Q
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 22, 2014, 12:56:37 PM
Quote
An effort to reform the NBA's draft lottery process failed to get enough votes to pass at the league's board of governors meeting Wednesday, sources told ESPN.

While the final vote was 17-13 in favor of the reform, according to Grantland's Zach Lowe, that falls short of the required 23 votes needed to push the change through.

Sources had said the reform had been expected to pass ahead of Wednesday's vote.

The crux of the reform plan was to discourage the idea of tanking -- or losing on purpose -- to increase a team's ability to get a better spot in the draft lottery.

The reforms would have given the league's four worst teams identical odds (around 11 percent) of winning the top pick, with the fifth team having about a 10 percent chance and the rest of the teams with declining odds. Under the current system, the team with the worst record has a 25 percent chance at the No. 1 pick and the second-worst team has a 19.9 percent chance, with each subsequent team's odds declining slightly.

Since the league's weighted lottery system was adopted for the 1985 draft, only four teams with the worst or tied-for-worst record have earned the top overall pick. The 2004 Orlando Magic are the most recent team to finish with the NBA's worst record and land the No. 1 overall pick, which they used to select Dwight Howard.

Kinda interesting since people assumed this would pass. Must have been a revolt among the lower tier teams.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 22, 2014, 01:47:34 PM
no more grantland previews :goty
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 22, 2014, 02:20:10 PM
edit:ignore

edit 2: hadn't got around to watching the Pacers one yet. Skipped to the ending to see what Brandnew was talking about. Yep. The suspension killed the preview series looks like. Unfortunate.

I apologize for the slightly snarky response BrandNew as I was in the wrong.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 22, 2014, 02:21:10 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 22, 2014, 02:20:10 PM
Just skip em if you don't like em. I post em every year. If it bothers you that much I'll stick them in the existing posts I would make anyway but not everything has to be for everybody.

I'm pretty sure he means the Billy ain't doing anymore after today. I believe.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 22, 2014, 02:22:24 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 22, 2014, 02:21:10 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 22, 2014, 02:20:10 PM
Just skip em if you don't like em. I post em every year. If it bothers you that much I'll stick them in the existing posts I would make anyway but not everything has to be for everybody.

I'm pretty sure he means the Billy ain't doing anymore after today. I believe.

Oh really hadn't heard. I'll look into it. I hadn't even watched the Pacers one yet.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 22, 2014, 04:33:13 PM
Sorry, I didn't word that post very well.  Those NBA previews are the best :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 22, 2014, 05:11:08 PM
I'm sure Bill was pretty pissed about the whole thing. He seems to enjoy doing stuff like the previews more than he does writing at this point.

And whatever I think about Bill and Jalen during those pretty horrible pre-game espn shows, they are much better in a format like this where they can relax and be themselves.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Your Stalker on October 23, 2014, 08:16:35 PM
Nash is out for the year  :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 23, 2014, 08:18:07 PM
Quote from: Your Stalker on October 23, 2014, 08:16:35 PM
Nash is out for the year  :kobeyuck

(http://www.gifbin.com/bin/092010/1285147605_gangsta-money-bath.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Steve Contra on October 23, 2014, 08:37:33 PM
I guess the Lakers will be worse?  Better?  Who fucking knows.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 23, 2014, 10:34:02 PM
Unfortunate but not unexpected. Dude just can't do it anymore at this level.

Had a great career. Made a lot of money. Seemed to have fun doing it.

Even if things had worked out the Lakers were never a good choice for him to finish his career. Would have been a better situation in Toronto but then the Lakers could afford to overpay.

Just to put things into perspective Nash in 3 seasons played 65 games with the lakers on a contract of 27 million over 3 years. And the Lakers gave up four draft picks -- first rounders in 2013 and 2015 and second rounders in 2013 and 2014 in the original sign and trade deal.

Horrific.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 24, 2014, 03:37:48 AM
Wow, I had forgotten already. Has to be one of the worst deals ever now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 25, 2014, 12:11:27 AM
http://youtu.be/QNTFWVdQKMc
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 27, 2014, 12:36:03 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XGF2Y_MvAg&app=desktop
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 27, 2014, 03:33:10 PM
(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--jOXtL4_i--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/nc9f7fhsrfskaf9szrit.jpg)

 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 03:35:14 PM
Melo already hit that and Amare straight up in the friendzone. A pic is worth 1000 words.


Also, she's automatically the best point guard they have.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Brehvolution on October 27, 2014, 03:41:42 PM
Can't wait to hear her song about it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 03:43:23 PM
Quote from: Brehvolution on October 27, 2014, 03:41:42 PM
Can't wait to hear her song about it.

I would call it "Shooting me in the back" and dedicate it to Phil Jackson.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 27, 2014, 04:01:33 PM
is she wearing heels?  she looks pretty tall there
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Your Stalker on October 27, 2014, 08:42:33 PM
she's like 5'10 or 5'11. pretty tall for a female
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 27, 2014, 10:01:03 PM
Quote
he Dallas Mavericks will sign point guard J.J. Barea and cut Gal Mekel, per a source.

lol. Hilarious how Cuban has tried to bring back some of the pieces from that championship team. They just need Jason Terry up in there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2014, 11:43:45 PM
Didn't everyone in Minnesota come to hate Barea because he'd constantly break the plays and never signal to anyone what he was doing?

Quote from: BrandNew on October 27, 2014, 04:01:33 PM
is she wearing heels?  she looks pretty tall there
Like Stalker said she's 5-10/5-11

When she wears heels she's a giant:
(http://images.j-14.com/uploads/photos/file/6436/taylor-swift-and-bruno-mars.jpg?crop=top&fit=clip&h=500&w=698)
Either that or Bruno Mars is actually a midget.

(http://thejunoesque.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/taylor-swift-2011-billboard-music-awards-jpg_213404.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2014, 11:46:49 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 03:35:14 PM
Also, she's automatically the best point guard they have.
I'm sorry, but Jose Calderon has one of the best ORtg's of all time. All time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 09:37:01 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0_XDGDIcAEMR4N.png:large)

:whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 11:35:55 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/6vXG4Jg.jpg)

:dead

Mike, dat messiah type GOAT


(http://i.imgur.com/QytNDEO.jpg)

:dead :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts Oct 28th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 28, 2014, 12:36:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fotGckXWMM0&list=UU-m-uTkiq2NPPPUiq6HftIg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez2hGRHZqZY&list=UU-m-uTkiq2NPPPUiq6HftIg
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 28, 2014, 01:26:54 PM
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/11775452/los-angeles-lakers-coach-byron-scott-questions-dwight-howard-serious-winning-titles

Bryon Scott is really inserting himself into a lot of shit for somebody who is going to be coaching an awful team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts tonight)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2014, 01:31:14 PM
What a boring ass opening night for the NBA, on paper. Will watch for Charles and the gang.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts tonight)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 01:32:43 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 28, 2014, 01:26:54 PM
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/11775452/los-angeles-lakers-coach-byron-scott-questions-dwight-howard-serious-winning-titles

Bryon Scott is really inserting himself into a lot of shit for somebody who is going to be coaching an awful team.

As if the Rockets gonna do something this year, lol.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 28, 2014, 01:36:27 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 01:32:43 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 28, 2014, 01:26:54 PM
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/11775452/los-angeles-lakers-coach-byron-scott-questions-dwight-howard-serious-winning-titles

Bryon Scott is really inserting himself into a lot of shit for somebody who is going to be coaching an awful team.

As if the Rockets gonna do something this year, lol.

They'll be a lot more watchable than the Lakers and I'm not sure why Scott is even bringing this up. He's on his 4th team now and pretty much nobody expects this Lakers tenure to end well. I'd be more worried about my situation if I was him than lobbing random grenades at somebody else.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts tonight)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 01:37:34 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 28, 2014, 01:36:27 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 01:32:43 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 28, 2014, 01:26:54 PM
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/11775452/los-angeles-lakers-coach-byron-scott-questions-dwight-howard-serious-winning-titles

Bryon Scott is really inserting himself into a lot of shit for somebody who is going to be coaching an awful team.

As if the Rockets gonna do something this year, lol.

They'll be a lot more watchable than the Lakers and I'm not sure why Scott is even bringing this up. He's on his 4th team now and pretty much nobody expects this Lakers tenure to end well. I'd be more worried about my situation if I was him than lobbing random grenades at somebody else.

Fun to watch?  Hardin dribbling for 18 seconds and firing up off balance 22 footers? Nah they ain't even near my top 10.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts tonight)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 01:38:41 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2014/10/post_111.html#incart_2box

Good local article on Lebron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 28, 2014, 08:09:09 PM
Looks like grant hill and greg anthony are replacing kerr. I'm not overly a fan of 3 man broadcast teams. Prefer a duo.

Whatever.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts tonight)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2014, 08:32:34 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 01:38:41 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2014/10/post_111.html#incart_2box

Good local article on Lebron

Will read when I get home.

Man I bet local businesses near the Cavs arena are happy LeBron is back.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 28, 2014, 09:47:55 PM
Entertaining game so far. It's hard to imagine how the spurs won't reach the finals again although if I'm rooting for anybody, I'm rooting for the clippers to make it in the western conference.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts tonight)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 28, 2014, 09:57:48 PM
play zone against the spurs brehs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 28, 2014, 10:03:28 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on October 28, 2014, 09:57:48 PM
play zone against the spurs brehs

3 pointers don't win championships or get you to the playoffs.

(http://media.cleveland.com/cavs_impact/photo/byron-scott-vert-apjpg-b6e6c604a5914cff_large.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 28, 2014, 10:28:35 PM
Chandler Parsons

 :heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts tonight)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 28, 2014, 10:29:36 PM
Fuck the Spurs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 28, 2014, 10:30:38 PM
Great game.

Parsons was awful tonight.

Spurs shot themselves in the foot by going 14-28 from 3 point range. A great coach like Scott would have never allowed that many 3's. That's not winning basketball.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Last time I make that crack for awhile.
[close]
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts tonight)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 28, 2014, 10:31:48 PM
and that's game. Dallas looks good. def one of my League Pass teams this year. Fuck Mark Cuban.


refs putting .4 seconds back on the clock after time expired made me think: how different would the game look if the officiating switched policy from the initial call on the court in favor of allowing for ex post facto fouls and shit from replays?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 28, 2014, 10:34:16 PM
Time for me to go from half troll to full blown troll during this Lakers rockets game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 28, 2014, 10:37:32 PM
Omer Asik

14 points. 17 Rebounds.  5 blocks

Anthony Davis

26 Points  17 Rebounds.  9 blocks. 3 steals.

That is one hell of a defensive wall the Pelicans have at the rim.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts tonight)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 28, 2014, 10:40:13 PM
don't know if anyone's mentioned it here before, but AD is gonna seriously benefit from not being required to play all his minutes at the 5

29/17/9 is some :wow3 shit
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts tonight)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 28, 2014, 10:56:41 PM
If Lebron doesn't have as wow a season as we all expect, I could totally see Davis winning mvp.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts tonight)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 28, 2014, 10:57:05 PM
Also looooooooool Lakers already look fucking garbage
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 28, 2014, 11:02:49 PM
Reggie Miller going into Kobe defense mode.

 :goty2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts tonight)
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 28, 2014, 11:03:15 PM
Is Glen Shinobi on suicide watch yet?

:heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts tonight)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 28, 2014, 11:28:53 PM
Jeanie :noah
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 28, 2014, 11:29:46 PM
Two questions

Does anyone else use the verizon fios app on their ipad or xbox to watch tnt games?

And is it complete shit that constantly cuts out or loops back like it does for me for the past 3 or 4 FUCKING YEARS despite having good internet speeds?

Just asking...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 28, 2014, 11:33:03 PM
Tonight Reggie Miller demonstrates on TV he doesn't understand journalism.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts tonight)
Post by: bluemax on October 29, 2014, 12:36:25 AM
Listening to Lakers fans cry is gonna be so much fun this year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 29, 2014, 12:47:30 AM
Someone needs to tally the Kobe head shrugs, smirks, and head shakes this season. It's going to be glorious.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts tonight)
Post by: Your Stalker on October 29, 2014, 01:13:13 AM
Did Randle diededed? :lupe:
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 29, 2014, 01:14:53 AM
 Down goes randle with what looks like a serious injury.  :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts tonight)
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 29, 2014, 01:16:18 AM
Kobe with dat efficient 6-17 shooting so far
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts tonight)
Post by: Your Stalker on October 29, 2014, 01:16:29 AM
They said a broken leg? wtf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 29, 2014, 01:19:20 AM
We'll this is just depressing now.

It's fun to mock Kobe but seeing a young guy get hurt takes the sail out of my trolling. Going to bed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts tonight)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 29, 2014, 01:19:58 AM
fuck this season already.  I was really looking forward to Randle's rookie season.  Thought he'd make a huge impact, quick.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season starts tonight)
Post by: bluemax on October 29, 2014, 01:28:41 AM
Quote from: Your Stalker on October 29, 2014, 01:16:29 AM
They said a broken leg? wtf

Better that than an achilles.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Julius Randle out with broken leg)
Post by: T-Short on October 29, 2014, 11:12:16 AM
http://www.nba.com/video/games/pelicans/2014/10/28/0021400001-orl-nop-play1.nba/ (http://www.nba.com/video/games/pelicans/2014/10/28/0021400001-orl-nop-play1.nba/)

Davis is just unfair. How many centers intercept a pass at the freethrow line, beats everyone while doing TWO DRIBBLES on the break before dunking it at the other end? :boggle
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Julius Randle out with broken leg)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 29, 2014, 12:02:59 PM
He's so electrifying.  If the Pelis win 42+ games this year, it will be because of Davis.  That HAS to be MVP-worthy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Julius Randle out with broken leg)
Post by: Beezy on October 29, 2014, 07:51:13 PM
Brow and Asik should shut down a lot of teams this season. I hope they stay healthy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Julius Randle out with broken leg)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 29, 2014, 10:07:41 PM
Miami looked down the stretch tonight.

Bosh also played well.

26 points. 14 rebounds.

Wade had a good 4th quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Julius Randle out with broken leg)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 29, 2014, 10:09:16 PM
with his head shaved, Tony Snell looks like Prometheus from Prometheus and Bob
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Julius Randle out with broken leg)
Post by: El Babua on October 29, 2014, 10:15:11 PM
Glad to see Bosh and Cole playing so well.

Looking forward to an entertaining season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 29, 2014, 10:36:54 PM
First night of the knicks and Phil Jackson bringing back the dominant triangle offense that will guarantee titles like in LA and Chicago. And knicks at home. What could go wrong?

Knicks score 80 points.
Team shoots 37%
Carmelo Anthony leading scorer on the knicks with 14 points on 5 of 13 from the field.
Top assist men on the knicks. 3 players tied with 3.


This is going to go real well this season!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2014, 10:47:23 PM
Drummond looks good.

only two 3 point attempts from Josh Smith :o
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on October 29, 2014, 10:59:24 PM
kobe da god
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 29, 2014, 11:16:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2nZmfUSY6o
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 30, 2014, 02:11:08 PM
http://deadspin.com/deadspin-nba-shit-list-jason-richardson-the-man-who-d-1651764459

:whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on October 30, 2014, 02:35:07 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2014, 10:47:23 PM
Drummond looks good.

only two 3 point attempts from Josh Smith :o

Dre was alright on offense but what about those boards? :/

Also, Smith did take a lot of fairly long twos. But fortunately, he made most of 'em!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2014, 02:37:55 PM
The better dunk of 2003, sry brehs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCSiK1E_Hmo

Richardson's 50's in the first round = forever lies, should have been Amare.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 30, 2014, 02:50:04 PM
lebron's new commercial :tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2014, 03:04:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6S1JoCSVNU

:tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on October 30, 2014, 03:06:49 PM
Oh god that was awful

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 30, 2014, 03:11:53 PM
I thought people over-reacted when he left and they over-reacted now that he is back. So any of the stuff that tries to play on the emotion either way is lost on me.

I just want to see entertaining basketball.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2014, 03:13:42 PM
I wish LeBron was from Detroit.
:tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 30, 2014, 03:50:53 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on October 30, 2014, 03:06:49 PM
Oh god that was awful

boothisman.gif
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 30, 2014, 04:01:32 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2014, 03:13:42 PM
I wish LeBron was from Detroit.
:tocry

:hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavaliers on TNT 8 PM.)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 30, 2014, 07:59:31 PM
Time to live blog it.

Would be kind of funny if the knicks win tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavaliers on TNT 8 PM.)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 30, 2014, 08:06:49 PM
this intro is soooo corny
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavaliers on TNT 8 PM.)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 30, 2014, 08:20:06 PM
I imagine for kevin love this is what it would feel like to leave prison after having been incarcerated for a number of years.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavaliers on TNT 8 PM.)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 30, 2014, 08:25:28 PM
Lebron getting too cute out here early.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavaliers on TNT 8 PM.)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 30, 2014, 08:26:55 PM
9 minutes in Love already has 7 rebounds.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavaliers on TNT 8 PM.)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 30, 2014, 08:35:00 PM
Kevin Love is looking like a beast.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavaliers on TNT 8 PM.)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2014, 08:37:22 PM
Man you guys weren't wrong, Reggie Miller is HORRIBLE. Dude sounds like Tom Dubois with that annoying fucking voice. "But Chaarrrleesss, you can't say thaaaaatt." Get the fuck off my TV.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavaliers on TNT 8 PM.)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 30, 2014, 08:38:53 PM
Yeah its unfortunate to saddle Marv with somebody like him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavaliers on TNT 8 PM.)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 30, 2014, 08:55:30 PM
Cavs gone cold. Lebron is holding the ball too much instead of being decisive with it.



Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavaliers on TNT 8 PM.)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 30, 2014, 09:02:51 PM
Lebron tossing up an absolute clunker of a first half. His worst one I can remember in a good long while.

1-8  4 turnovers 4 points.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavaliers on TNT 8 PM.)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 30, 2014, 09:06:23 PM
"I think this Cavs team could be the best offense of all time." -Zach Lowe :beli
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavaliers on TNT 8 PM.)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 30, 2014, 09:07:51 PM
To be fair they can play a lot better than this. They played better than this in the pre-season. Lebron is just having an unusually poor night which is holding the offense back somewhat.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavaliers on TNT 8 PM.)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 30, 2014, 09:34:45 PM
Cleveland down 5.

They look fucking terrible tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavaliers on TNT 8 PM.)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 30, 2014, 09:47:02 PM
The Cavs are validing the Knicks and their triangle out here.

 :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavaliers on TNT 8 PM.)
Post by: Beezy on October 30, 2014, 09:50:03 PM
Travis Wear & Jason Smith outchea! :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavaliers on TNT 8 PM.)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 30, 2014, 10:09:40 PM
Hate to keep harping on it but Lebron is still playing terrible tonight. On both ends.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavaliers on TNT 8 PM.)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 30, 2014, 10:12:30 PM
7 fucking turnovers. Stop trying to be magic johnson because you aren't and make the simple fucking pass. And play some defense and don't sit there like a statue. This is baffling.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavaliers on TNT 8 PM.)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2014, 10:28:48 PM
Who is LeBron leading by not getting back on transition, not playing defense, and making fancy turnover passes. Nerves is one thing, playing lazy and dumb is another.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavaliers on TNT 8 PM.)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 30, 2014, 10:29:06 PM
This is turning into just desserts after all the fucking hype up for the opener.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavaliers on TNT 8 PM.)
Post by: Your Stalker on October 30, 2014, 10:37:28 PM
Melo  :leon
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavaliers on TNT 8 PM.)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 30, 2014, 10:37:46 PM
Carmelo with the tough dagger over Lebron. That's game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavaliers on TNT 8 PM.)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 30, 2014, 10:40:56 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 30, 2014, 07:59:31 PM
Time to live blog it.

Would be kind of funny if the knicks win tonight.

And it did turn out to be funny after all. Congrats to the Knicks.

It's one game in a long season that probably ultimately won't mean anything but that was embarrassing in the here and now especially after all that stupid hype which Lebron and the Cavs are certainly mostly responsible for.

I doubt Lebron will play a worse game this season. He was terrible. In all the miami heat games over the last few seasons, I never saw him play an individual game this bad and I saw a ton of them. The whole game matters. Not just the last quarter. And he played just with absolutely no energy or wisdom tonight. It was a very odd performance. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavaliers on TNT 8 PM.)
Post by: Beezy on October 30, 2014, 10:40:59 PM
 :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs lay an egg in home opener)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2014, 10:50:05 PM
Man I don't like LeBron's body language. I suppose it's kinda meaningless and I hate sounding like Skip but dude just doesn't look like a leader out there. He came out flat which is understandable, but the lack of effort is inexcusable. You're supposed to be leading the team, ie making hustle plays and stuff. It's the opener, the crowd WANTS to explode. smh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs lay an egg in home opener)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 30, 2014, 10:55:11 PM
Lebron has a tendency to start off games "slow". But he generally picks it up in the 2nd quarter often having monster quarters there. He might rest a bit in the 3rd and pick it up again in the 4th. I get it. He plays both ends. You can't be a maniac all the time when you are that kind of player that gives full effort. That's why it was odd to see him not really pick it up all tonight until the 4th quarter. It was very much an anamoly so that's why I think any judgement or harshness is premature. It was such an odd case. He never really does that normally.

And he's normally really good about analyzing what's working with his game and not working on a particular night and adjusting to it in the flow. He's kind of special in that way. But tonight he just didn't. He kept doing the things that weren't working.   
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs lay an egg in home opener)
Post by: Your Stalker on October 30, 2014, 11:25:07 PM
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/got-tired-of-playin-small-ball-huh.263526/
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs lay an egg in home opener)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2014, 11:36:01 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs lay an egg in home opener)
Post by: bluemax on October 30, 2014, 11:52:31 PM
YNB hurt. This could be bad for OKC, which I am okay with.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs lay an egg in home opener)
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 31, 2014, 01:45:16 AM
Mavs :rock
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs lay an egg in home opener)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 31, 2014, 09:02:59 AM
Quote
Oklahoma City Thunder guard Russell Westbrook suffered a small fracture of the second metacarpal in his right hand Thursday night, coach Scott Brooks said.

Westbrook exited Thursday night's 93-90 loss to the Los Angeles Clippers with 6:35 left in the second quarter and did not return.

Westbrook had X-rays taken at Staples Center and was set to be re-evaluated Friday. He returned to the Thunder bench in the third quarter, still in uniform but with a bag of ice wrapped around his hand, then left for the locker room again at the end of the quarter. He had a soft cast on his hand when he left Staples Center and didn't talk with reporters.

Depending on any displacement and the area of the break, treatment can range from a conservative approach with immobilization or it may require surgery to stabilize, according to ESPN medical analyst Dr. Michael Kaplan, which could set Westbrook's recovery time between four to eight weeks.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11794516/russell-westbrook-oklahoma-city-thunder-game-hand-injury
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs lay an egg in home opener)
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 31, 2014, 09:03:45 AM
Cavs have to figure out who they are.  Whatever that may be, I don't think taking 24 3-pointers is going to be part of that equation. Starting the season 11-10 or slightly worse wouldn't be shocking to me.



Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs lay an egg in home opener)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 31, 2014, 09:12:00 AM
I don't think it will be that bad. I think last night was out of character somewhat for a few different reasons. I don't think the three's were necessarily the problem. It was more who was taking them and how the ball stopped moving for a team with so many good passers.

The first quarter was fine. It was after that where things just got completely out of whack. It degenerated into trying to be tricky and make one great pass instead of swinging the ball around properly.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs lay an egg in home opener)
Post by: Brehvolution on October 31, 2014, 10:25:30 AM
http://deadspin.com/kobe-to-dw ht-howard-soft-motherfucker-bitch-ass-ni-1653019017

Quote
It was plainly clear that Kobe Bryant called Dwight Howard "soft" while shit-talking his former teammate on opening night, but now, thanks to an intrepid Instagram user who was sitting courtside at the game, we know that Kobe also called Dwight a "bitch-ass nicca."

:gladbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs lay an egg in home opener)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 31, 2014, 10:34:40 AM
 :badass

Nice way to end your career tough guy.


(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1235266!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/kobe-bryant-dwight-howard.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs lay an egg in home opener)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 31, 2014, 10:37:12 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2ZPzV5ZNTU
(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--PXP6GF_Y--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/j04hcvcekqddhjzigrps.gif)

Baller is just a god damn freak.

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs lay an egg in home opener)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 31, 2014, 11:29:18 AM
Hadn't even bothered to look at the schedule tonight until now. Cleveland at Chicago on ESPN. That's a better game than last night. And no wait. Awesome.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Bulls tonight on ESPN)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 31, 2014, 12:41:07 PM
Cavs looked sloppy, but the Heat did as well in their first stretch of games.  Lebron obviously was overplaying and trying to make special shit happen for his return game -- unnecessary.

Love looked good.  Those outlets are going to be deadly.

I think the Cavs will end up going 7-10 these first few weeks but then ramp up.  I think anyone expecting them to win more than 55 games is crazy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Bulls tonight on ESPN)
Post by: El Babua on October 31, 2014, 12:46:59 PM
I saw some glimpses of the potential juggernaut the Cavs offense could be last night. We'll see how long it takes them to figure it out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Bulls tonight on ESPN)
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 31, 2014, 01:03:18 PM
This season is going to be incredible for the Ballmer shots alone

:lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Bulls tonight on ESPN)
Post by: Brehvolution on October 31, 2014, 01:50:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIxCHyFOrcA
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Bulls tonight on ESPN)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2014, 08:21:13 PM
The Cavs offense is bad. Dudes just standing around.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Bulls tonight on ESPN)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2014, 08:26:47 PM
This team isn't trying.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Bulls tonight on ESPN)
Post by: Your Stalker on October 31, 2014, 10:35:11 PM
dat overtime tho  :gladbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Bulls tonight on ESPN)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2014, 11:07:46 PM
 :lol

that foul on Irving was super suspect IMO.

Man LeBron...how many times did he not even run to the other end of the court after not getting a foul call, or not play defense on his man? Dunleavy threw a nice pass for a slam dunk solely because LeBron was too far away to stop him. If you're gonna be the leader you have to lead.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Bulls tonight on ESPN)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 01, 2014, 12:17:27 AM
I didn't catch the game, was busy. Looking at the box score it seemed to be a mostly even game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Bulls tonight on ESPN)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 01, 2014, 12:20:24 AM
Sent the wife and kids to Chicago to see their grandma tonight, son said Lebron looked good tonight.

Go Cavs?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Bulls tonight on ESPN)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 01, 2014, 01:14:41 AM
Watched a good portion of this Lakers Clips game. The Lakers played as well as they could possible play and still are gonna lose. Gonna be such a long season for them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Bulls tonight on ESPN)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 01, 2014, 02:26:54 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 01, 2014, 01:14:41 AM
Watched a good portion of this Lakers Clips game. The Lakers played as well as they could possible play and still are gonna lose. Gonna be such a long season for them.
they wanted that win so bad too

seeing Kobe legit give a fuck about and communicate with this team was pretty cool to watch. it's also noteworthy that he went 1-7 in the 4th :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 01, 2014, 01:50:37 PM
Suns beat the Spurs :hyper
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on November 01, 2014, 11:10:32 PM
ballin' on all y'all suckaz
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on November 02, 2014, 12:49:12 AM
dat late game fakers collapse (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/banderas.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on November 02, 2014, 12:58:27 AM
klay with a career high (http://i.imgur.com/v3GzYXp.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Michael Moaner on November 02, 2014, 01:35:09 AM
Where is the old NBAgaf now?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 02, 2014, 01:40:50 AM
http://temp.slaent.com/index.php
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 02, 2014, 05:56:47 AM
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In addition to the first 0-4 start since moving to Los Angeles, the Lakers have lost by a combined margin of 68 points -- also the worst since moving to L.A. in 1957.

:dead

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on November 02, 2014, 06:17:37 AM
Enjoying this Pistons trainwreck, PD? 1/15 from three last night. Classic SVG shooting team. Joe Johnson so good. Damn
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 02, 2014, 09:02:54 AM
Quote from: Hyoushi on November 02, 2014, 06:17:37 AM
Enjoying this Pistons trainwreck, PD? 1/15 from three last night. Classic SVG shooting team. Joe Johnson so good. Damn

Drummond needs a real PG, he's wasting away down there.

The curse of Dumars remains. At this point it's clear KCP is trash. Why anyone would draft him ahead of Trey Burke baffles me. Sure Burke is kind of erratic but he's going to be good, and I'd rather have him running an offense than Jennings.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on November 02, 2014, 09:06:57 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 02, 2014, 09:02:54 AM
Quote from: Hyoushi on November 02, 2014, 06:17:37 AM
Enjoying this Pistons trainwreck, PD? 1/15 from three last night. Classic SVG shooting team. Joe Johnson so good. Damn

Drummond needs a real PG, he's wasting away down there.

The curse of Dumars remains. At this point it's clear KCP is trash. Why anyone would draft him ahead of Trey Burke baffles me. Sure Burke is kind of erratic but he's going to be good, and I'd rather have him running an offense than Jennings.

Also kind of weird that Drummond got so few minutes. Sure he got five fouls, but what is the big deal if he fouls out?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 02, 2014, 01:52:28 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on November 02, 2014, 06:01:49 AM
Klay is probably the best cac in the league right now.
I was thinking about this the other day, what I came up with;

1. Love
2. Dirk

big dropoff

3. Blake
4. Klay
5. Dragic
6. Pekovic
7. Barnes
8. Vucevic
9. Ilyasova? Asik? Do Turks count as cac?
10.....Parsons :mjlol

edit: Gasol's in there somewhere too
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 02, 2014, 02:11:56 PM
Blake?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 02, 2014, 02:13:54 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 02, 2014, 02:11:56 PM
Blake?
Griffin, not Steve :kobeyuck

operating on the premise that one ostensibly white parent qualifies you as "white"

edit: oh I see what you mean, yeah dropoff should be after Blake
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 02, 2014, 09:01:45 PM
Looks like the kings upset the clips with a big game from boogie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdqbEOSBu_Y
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 03, 2014, 11:29:34 AM
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"I hear the chatter of Kobe should ask out and he should go and play for a contender in this latter stage of his career," Bryant told Yahoo Sports. "But that's not what I do. I'm extremely loyal to the Lakers.

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/kobe-bryant--i-don-t-even-think-about-leaving-the-lakers-022609397.html


Nobody is chattering that Kobe except your id.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 03, 2014, 12:19:06 PM
Heat 3-0

Bosh averaging 25.7 pts 11.3 rebs PER 29.49

 :leon


 I mean the small sample size is meaningless at this point but still nice start for the season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 03, 2014, 12:20:00 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 03, 2014, 12:19:06 PM
Heat 3-0

Bosh averaging 25.7 pts 11.3 rebs PER 29.49

 :leon


 I mean the small sample size is meaningless at this point but still nice start for the season.

Cavs are still better bro.

What's the home game attendance BTW? Did the first game sell out?

Cause, just sayin'

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/p235x350/10457511_10153294495507501_2978059992222522727_n.jpg?oh=bae27b197741f756ee0041bbec38acd3&oe=54F79DF8&__gda__=1423892974_9752c2afb08dfb557314ef46ced113e9)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2014, 05:00:21 PM
and yet they dropped an egg lol smh.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 03, 2014, 06:42:49 PM
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/11/3/7150839/kevin-durant-paul-george-injury-team-usa

This always bothered me when it happened because of how the media glossed over it.

And not because Durant doesn't have the right to withdraw from the games whether he was exhausted or whether he didn't want to get injured. It was how the media just kind of fell over on the story because Durant is really well liked by the media. But I think we can all imagine a different person and how it would have been received and latched on by the media with. I don't like how the personality of the person determines how the media behaves.

I don't have a problem with the original thing being a non-story. I just wish a lot more stuff was non-story. Be consistent.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cheddahz on November 03, 2014, 08:21:50 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 03, 2014, 12:19:06 PM
Heat 3-0

Bosh averaging 25.7 pts 11.3 rebs PER 29.49

 :leon


 I mean the small sample size is meaningless at this point but still nice start for the season.
It's been a nice start for the Heat and it shows that yeah, they can survive without LeBron
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 03, 2014, 09:29:22 PM
This is the third game in a row where the Mavericks have scored more than 60 points in the first half. With two and a half minutes left in the half, the Mavericks have scored 65 points [compared to Boston's 35]. Crazy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 03, 2014, 09:35:23 PM
Quote from: Hyoushi on November 02, 2014, 09:06:57 AM
Also kind of weird that Drummond got so few minutes. Sure he got five fouls, but what is the big deal if he fouls out?
Certain coaches have the weirdest foul rules and they stick to them in absurd circumstances.

I always remember Larry Brown benching Pistons starters for the entire first half and often in the case of Sheed for large parts of the third quarter, because they had picked up two fouls.

Then Flip Saunders took over, had basically no bench one season, and the team actually fouled less let alone fouled out.

Bill Cartwright when he was coaching the Bulls had some silly foul rule, even though the team was shit and his entire job was to mold Curry and Chandler into stars, but he'd sit them and play Charles fucking Oakley or somebody because his 19 year olds were picking up fouls.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on November 03, 2014, 09:43:48 PM
damn, okc got shit on  :holeup
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 03, 2014, 09:49:48 PM
Quote
There's nothing lost in translation about how Brooklyn Nets owner Mikhail Prokhorov feels concerning the team's split with Jason Kidd over the summer.

"I think there is a nice proverb in English: Don't let the door hit you where the good Lord has split you," Prokhorov said before the Nets' home opener against Oklahoma City at Barclays Center on Monday. "So I think that each side, we did what we thought was the best and I like what we have now.

...

When Prokhorov was later asked if he is disappointed in how things ended with Kidd after hiring him with no previous coaching experience, the Russian owner said, "I think we shouldn't get mad. I think we should get even.
:holeup
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: naff on November 04, 2014, 02:37:51 AM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on November 02, 2014, 01:52:28 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on November 02, 2014, 06:01:49 AM
Klay is probably the best cac in the league right now.
I was thinking about this the other day, what I came up with;

1. Love
2. Dirk

big dropoff

3. Blake
4. Klay
5. Dragic
6. Pekovic
7. Barnes
8. Vucevic
9. Ilyasova? Asik? Do Turks count as cac?
10.....Parsons :mjlol

edit: Gasol's in there somewhere too

Would take Hayward over the guards after Klay. He is also the most wholesome true blue 'murican cac
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 05, 2014, 12:54:17 AM
 Looks like the cavs are gonna have more early season issues than I thought.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 05, 2014, 10:03:05 AM
Their passing looks horrendous.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 05, 2014, 10:11:29 AM
Quote
We have to understand what it takes to win," James said. "It's going to be a long process, man. There's been a lot of losing basketball around here for a few years. So a lot of guys that are going to help us win ultimately haven't played a lot of meaningful basketball games in our league.

"When we get to that point when every possession matters , no possessions off -- we got to share the ball, we got to move the ball, we got to be a team and be unselfish -- we'll be a better team."

After starting the game 10-for-10 as a team against the Blazers, Cleveland went 21 for its next 75, finishing with a dismal 36.5 percent clip from the field. James was bad (4-for-12), but the Cavs' starting backcourt of Kyrie Irving (3-for-17) and Dion Waiters (3-for-11) was even worse.

Irving and Waiters were on the team the last two seasons, of course, as the Cavs racked up a combined record of 57-107.

James did not call out any teammate by name, but seemed to be referencing Irving's and Waiters' play when reflecting on what needs to change in order for Cleveland to start playing the right way.

"There's a lot of bad habits; a lot of bad habits have been built up over the last couple of years and when you play that style of basketball it takes a lot to get it up out of you," James said. "But I'm here to help and that's what it's about."

We'll see how they look around game 20 as a progress check.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 05, 2014, 10:12:42 AM
He's not wrong, but he's also playing pretty badly considering.  Love has been their best player so far.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2014, 10:14:14 AM
He's not playing defense and constantly turning the ball over yet wants to act like he's a vet leader. Fuckouttahere
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 05, 2014, 10:14:35 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 05, 2014, 10:12:42 AM
He's not wrong, but he's also playing pretty badly considering.  Love has been their best player so far.

Agreed. Even in the game where he scored a lot of points, it took a ton of shot attempts to get there. It wasn't the typical Lebron big game stat sheet from the Miami years.

On the other side, the Rockets have started off the season very hot. Chandler who?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 05, 2014, 10:24:22 AM
Kobe took 37 shots last night to get 39 points. He's shooting 40% for the year so far. (To be fair, Lebron is shooting the exact same fg% at the moment)

There is this idea out there about poor Kobe and how he isn't playing on a decent team. I don't think he feels that way. I mean sure he would rather be winning but in the absence of that, I think he is secretly happy he gets to essentially pad his scoring totals for the year and climb up the scoring list.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on November 05, 2014, 11:34:30 AM
Two players are averaging more than 19 shots per game: Blake Griffin (20.5) and Kobe Bryant (24.4). Kobe is averaging as many shots as Duncan and Nowitzki combined (and they are shooting 52 and 58%, respectively).
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 05, 2014, 11:41:37 AM
The thing is this is the perfect situation for him. Nobody is gonna complain about Kobe shooting too much on an awful team like this.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Brehvolution on November 05, 2014, 03:44:03 PM
Journo: "Kobe, what are your thoughts on the teams 0-5 start?

Kobe: :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 03:44:25 PM
Lebron letting his team lose

:kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 03:45:22 PM
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmMOvgRIUAAosSi.jpg:medium)

:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 03:56:56 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on November 05, 2014, 03:54:02 PM
I didn't even realize the Lakers played last night, as I was too busy drinking away the election pain and wishing testicular torsion on Am I Anonymous.

14-37 from the field  :lol

Hey so it was you then. I ate way to many reese cups and had the worst stomach ache ever. Dicknose.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2014, 04:05:51 PM
LeBron doesn't know how to lead, that's clear now. Probably because he grew up fatherless.

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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 05, 2014, 05:19:46 PM
I like Lebron quite a bit but I'm not buying into this narrative that Lebron is "teaching" these guys by being super passive and not playing very well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2014, 10:26:40 PM
dat Josh Smith shooting line  :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2014, 10:28:54 PM
Josh Smith is going to kill Van Gundy. Cardiac arrest is imminent.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: naff on November 05, 2014, 10:52:23 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 05, 2014, 10:14:35 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 05, 2014, 10:12:42 AM
He's not wrong, but he's also playing pretty badly considering.  Love has been their best player so far.

Agreed. Even in the game where he scored a lot of points, it took a ton of shot attempts to get there. It wasn't the typical Lebron big game stat sheet from the Miami years.

On the other side, the Rockets have started off the season very hot. Chandler who?

Morey lookin so good letting him go for a cheaper more effective Ariza.

End of 2nd quarter, Hayward blocks LeBron and dunks in transition :rejoice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiE46sRBZ_Y

Cleveland playing whipping boy to the Jazz most of this game, offense looking so much better under Snyder.... Cleveland will come back if their offense stops being so cac though (picking up in the 3rd).

Jazz defense :pacspit
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2014, 11:00:10 PM
Gets blocked, doesn't get back on transition in time. And yet he wants to teach this team how to play correctly?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 05, 2014, 11:11:17 PM
He's been playing better tonight but his turnovers are now officially a problem.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 05, 2014, 11:23:17 PM
Lebron is fucking garbage wtf
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 05, 2014, 11:27:52 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/tZOS8.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: naff on November 05, 2014, 11:28:37 PM
FAVORS YOU FUCK UP

all is forgiven :noah
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 06, 2014, 12:50:19 AM
Didn't catch the game. Was busy playing COD.

Sounds like I missed a good one.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on November 06, 2014, 12:53:02 AM
fuck da clips
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 06, 2014, 08:37:32 AM
I get what Lebron is doing. He is trying to show Kyrie and Dion how to win.

If they don't stop playing as they are now (Irving 0 assists vs Jazz), and don't integrate in the offense I expect one (probably Waiters) to be traded by the all star break.

Tough love.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2014, 10:20:49 AM
Lol Irving ain't going anywhere

I doubt anyone will be traded after what happened in the offseason.  The team just needs to shake its bad habits and start playing better team basketball.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 06, 2014, 10:21:03 AM
Lebron should give a more consistent defensive effort if he wants to teach anybody.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2014, 10:22:34 AM
Lebron should bulk back up and play PF more, ala the Heat days.  Varejao be damned, just play Love at the 5 and play small ball.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 06, 2014, 10:35:24 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 06, 2014, 10:21:03 AM
Lebron should give a more consistent defensive effort if he wants to teach anybody.

I think he wants them to take these L's. Weird hunch man.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 06, 2014, 10:46:43 AM
Looking at the box score, the Cavs as a team had 6 assists last night. There is no way on earth a team with that many good passers should end up with 6 assists in a game. By accident they should end up with more than that.

What that tells me is they aren't really running a system yet. Which is a problem. It's still insanely early obviously so it should come but still, after the drubbing, the spurs gave in the finals, I thought that lesson would have rubbed off on everybody in the league.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 06, 2014, 10:50:16 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 06, 2014, 10:46:43 AM
Looking at the box score, the Cavs as a team had 6 assists last night. There is no way on earth a team with that many good passers should end up with 6 assists in a game. By accident they should end up with more than that.

What that tells me is they aren't really running a system yet. Which is a problem. It's still insanely early obviously so it should come but still, after the drubbing, the spurs gave in the finals, I thought that lesson would have rubbed off on everybody in the league.

I really am circling Irving and Waiters as the issue. They seem to stop the offensive flow at least 2 out of every 5 trips. This offense is predicated on ball movement, not hero ball.

Edit;

Yup

Irving at waiters:

13-27 from the field
1 assist combined
1 rebound combined
-4 combined on floor

They are killing us. Time to consider starting miller I think.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2014, 11:07:08 AM
Maybe LeBron should run the offense more.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2014, 11:09:06 AM
Miller should be the starting SG, that's for sure.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 06, 2014, 11:10:08 AM
Can't disagree with either sentiment you guys said there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 06, 2014, 11:13:36 AM
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/a-complete-list-of-nba-players-throughout-history-to-whom-josh-smith-will-not-respond/

:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2014, 01:16:45 PM
looks like Simmons is gonna get banned again pretty soon.  Going off on ESPN's golden boys Golic and Greeny.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 06, 2014, 02:54:15 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 06, 2014, 01:16:45 PM
looks like Simmons is gonna get banned again pretty soon.  Going off on ESPN's golden boys Golic and Greeny.

Ohhhhhhhhh link!

Caught up....wow he's fucked.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 06, 2014, 03:06:58 PM
The writing was on the wall from the last time. Bill already has a thin ego and you could tell he was already pissed at ESPN before the suspension. He's clearly leaving when the contract is up and either wants them to fire him early or he just doesn't give a fuck anymore and will take the consequences until his contract is up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 06, 2014, 03:08:28 PM
I don't understand people that actually listen to Mike and Mike in the morning. It's so hack and corny.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=137651491&postcount=401

It's offensively bland in the same way Jay Leno was.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 06, 2014, 03:09:18 PM
Where does he go? TNT?

ESPN owns grantland.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 06, 2014, 03:10:05 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 06, 2014, 03:08:28 PM
It's offensively bland in the same way Jay Leno was.

You answered your question. People like bland.

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 06, 2014, 03:09:18 PM
Where does he go? TNT?

ESPN owns grantland.

Someone will pick him up and offer him essentially the same deal. He's too popular not to.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2014/09/29/in-wake-of-suspension-will-bill-simmons-leave-espn-when-his-contract-is-up/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2014, 03:30:16 PM
He better drag Lowe and Barnwell with him
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2014, 06:20:13 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11831408/lebron-james-kyrie-irving-reportedly-exchange-words-state-cleveland-cavaliers-offense
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2014, 10:54:31 PM
I love Simmons and have never been bothered by his Boston homerism
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 06, 2014, 10:58:28 PM
Houston 6-0.

Defeat the spurs tonight.

 :jawalrus

Also looks like the simmons/golic is already over.


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Spoke to Bill, all is good. I will discuss on show
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2014, 11:36:02 PM
Houston looking fierce.  I really hate to root for them though, I don't like a single one of their players
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on November 07, 2014, 02:31:10 AM
I like Ariza. That's it really.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 07, 2014, 04:07:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=221C7UVYiig&feature=youtu.be

New Celtics alternate uni

(http://cdn-jpg.si.com/sites/default/files/styles/si_article_main/public/2014/11/06/avery-bradley-celtics-new-uniforms.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2014, 04:32:11 PM
How are the Lakers doing this year, Shinobi? I don't really keep up with it, so I was just wondering.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 07, 2014, 04:36:45 PM
The Lakers suck so much, they're going to fucking murder Charles Barkley.  Fuck them
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on November 07, 2014, 04:38:21 PM
I just read he isn't going to eat until the Fakeshow wins.  :sabu
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 07, 2014, 10:50:32 PM
Gonna watch this cavs nuggets game and blog it. Just turned on and Lebron botched a 2 on 1 fastbreak with a too cute pass.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 07, 2014, 10:53:46 PM
they've gone on a p nice run since. really fun to watch them on offense when they're clicking
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 07, 2014, 10:57:13 PM
Yeah, Lebron looks more active and energetic tonight so far also.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 07, 2014, 11:11:30 PM
Correct call. That's a  dangerous foul.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 07, 2014, 11:19:13 PM
Denver is the cure to every teams illness.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 07, 2014, 11:28:00 PM
Pretty much. The Cavs look better tonight but it could just be that the nuggets are that bad.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 07, 2014, 11:33:13 PM
I never especially liked Lebron's jumper but it seems to have deserted him in the off-season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 08, 2014, 01:05:51 AM
Cavs played really good first half. Kind of meh second half but they were clearly in control all night.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on November 09, 2014, 11:40:52 PM
finally got a win brehs  :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: nudemacusers on November 10, 2014, 12:13:30 AM
Quote from: Esch on November 08, 2014, 01:52:45 AM
https://www.facebook.com/stevenash/posts/10152770496175250

:tocry

everything is gonna be ok, carrie takes back the mean thing she said

(http://i.imgur.com/5QMo831.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: naff on November 10, 2014, 05:03:50 AM
Quote from: filler on November 09, 2014, 11:40:52 PM
finally got a win brehs  :rejoice

Kobe 21 from 20

Lin 21 from 12

 :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 10, 2014, 07:25:55 PM
Watching Cavs Pelicans.

Cavs looking a bit ragged early.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 10, 2014, 07:40:31 PM
Cavs down 11 early. Offense still doesn't look right.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 10, 2014, 07:46:31 PM
Ryan Anderson 21 points so far and its just the 2nd quarter with 7 minutes left.

 :what
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 10, 2014, 09:04:35 PM
Lebron playing fierce.  Cavs look good tonight

Guess the formula is to subtract waiters
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 10, 2014, 09:05:39 PM
Also Kylie with 9 assists :leon

How he should be playing!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 10, 2014, 09:12:13 PM
James gets his first tripdoub of the season, looked very impressive
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 10, 2014, 09:35:30 PM
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/11855642/phil-jackson-takes-umbrage-adam-silver-thoughts-new-york-knicks-triangle-offense

 :umad
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 10, 2014, 09:58:24 PM
Cleveland played a strong second after a lackluster first. They have 8 out of their next 10 at home so they should be able to pad that win loss total and gain some continuity.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 10, 2014, 10:52:00 PM
Get them licks in now, haters. Cavs are a 50+ ,win team..smh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 11, 2014, 12:15:56 AM
I don't think you are going to find anyone here who honestly believed that Cavs were gonna be a sub 50 win team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 11, 2014, 08:51:43 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 11, 2014, 12:15:56 AM
I don't think you are going to find anyone here who honestly believed that Cavs were gonna be a sub 50 win team.

You hate Cleveland, surprised you're not hoping somebody gets hurt.....

Anyway Cav's offense looked good last night, still need to work on that defense though.

Anthony Davis is a beast. Best in the NBA within 3 years. He's next.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on November 11, 2014, 09:38:18 AM
You must have BrandNew confused with Green Shinobi aka Walrus.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 11, 2014, 09:42:11 AM
AiA you're an embarrassing Cleveland fan. The city hasn't won shit for 50 years, but you carry on like you live in Boston or some shit.





Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 11, 2014, 09:42:16 AM
Quote from: Beezy on November 11, 2014, 09:38:18 AM
You must have BrandNew confused with Green Shinobi aka Walrus.

Ah could be.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 11, 2014, 09:43:01 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 11, 2014, 09:42:11 AM
AiA you're an embarrassing Cleveland fan. The city hasn't won shit for 50 years, but you carry on like you live in Boston or some shit.

No, see you and your little group of "cleveland will always suck" is the anchor bringing us down. Go stan for somebody else, we don't need you.

Just for your records:

Indians won 85 games
Browns are 6-3 and in first place
Cavs are starting to play like the cheat code team they are.

Forgive me if I'm a bit excited.

Buy by all means continue to say Cleveland sucks while you drink your hipster pabst beers and bitch about everything like a 55 year old woman.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 11, 2014, 10:01:44 AM
Cavs aren't going to win anything of importance until they start playing defense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 11, 2014, 10:16:43 AM
Yeah their D is reprehensible.  We all knew it would be bad, but oyyyyyy.

Passing game needs to step up as well.  They shouldn't be giving Waiters any more than 25 minutes a game, he's a black hole for the ball.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on November 11, 2014, 10:47:04 AM
Heard the clip of Obama calling out MJ on Jalen and Jacoby. lol

 :hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 11, 2014, 12:15:50 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 11, 2014, 10:16:43 AM
Yeah their D is reprehensible.  We all knew it would be bad, but oyyyyyy.

Passing game needs to step up as well.  They shouldn't be giving Waiters any more than 25 minutes a game, he's a black hole for the ball.

I agree with the Waiters comment. He didn't play last night and they were much more effective as a unit. The difference, offensively, was night and day. That defense though...... :goty2
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 11, 2014, 12:32:03 PM
Man the Pistons...gotta feel bad for Van Gundy but luckily for him he has the power to get rid of the problems at the trade deadline and offseason.

The Pistons got within two points of Chicago last night, with like 3 minutes left in the game. On their next position, before the offense even got set, Josh Smith took a wide open three and clanked it. Granted he was wide open but that's not the shot you want with a few minutes left. Chicago then went on a 12-3 run to finish the game.

Also Drummond is really struggling offensively. Only 5 shots last night...I'm baffled that he isn't getting a lot more touches and shots a game. Feed the big man.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 11, 2014, 12:33:14 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 11, 2014, 12:32:03 PM
Man the Pistons...gotta feel bad for Van Gundy but luckily for him he has the power to get rid of the problems at the trade deadline and offseason.

The Pistons got within two points of Chicago last night, with like 3 minutes left in the game. On their next position, before the offense even got set, Josh Smith took a wide open three and clanked it. Granted he was wide open but that's not the shot you want with a few minutes left. Chicago then went on a 12-3 run to finish the game.

Also Drummond is really struggling offensively. Only 5 shots last night...I'm baffled that he isn't getting a lot more touches and shots a game. Feed the big man.

Biggest problem on the Pistons?

Smith, Josh

He sucks. i mean when his former team sends YOU fucking a box of cognac for obtaining him, you may have an issue.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on November 11, 2014, 04:11:24 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 11, 2014, 12:32:03 PM
Man the Pistons...gotta feel bad for Van Gundy but luckily for him he has the power to get rid of the problems at the trade deadline and offseason.

The Pistons got within two points of Chicago last night, with like 3 minutes left in the game. On their next position, before the offense even got set, Josh Smith took a wide open three and clanked it. Granted he was wide open but that's not the shot you want with a few minutes left. Chicago then went on a 12-3 run to finish the game.

Also Drummond is really struggling offensively. Only 5 shots last night...I'm baffled that he isn't getting a lot more touches and shots a game. Feed the big man.

Also, everyone (not just Dre) are missing a shitload of shots in the paint. Dunno what's going on, but they can't keep this sort of paint percentage up, it's ridiculous.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: naff on November 11, 2014, 09:56:45 PM
Bet a little on SAC to win earlier today, just had that good feel and the odds were far too heavily in favour of the Mavs imo. Looking good so far, 1st quarter was a massive blowout, though it got a lot tighter in the 2nd and will continue this way probably. Gays been playing reall well... No way they keep up this consistency
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: naff on November 11, 2014, 10:56:31 PM
Gah, I was feeling so good about my pick for a while there, Kings look done, huge turnaround for Dallas...

Good to see Klays back today, a reasonably healthy Spurs and Warriors faceoff :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 11, 2014, 11:26:57 PM
Kobe down to 39% shooting. This Lakers season just keeps on giving.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: naff on November 11, 2014, 11:56:04 PM
Has he beaten the the most missed shots in a career record yet?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on November 12, 2014, 12:00:05 AM
Quote from: Butt Seriously on November 11, 2014, 11:56:04 PM
Has he beaten the the most missed shots in a career record yet?
Yes
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Brehvolution on November 12, 2014, 09:30:25 AM
http://deadspin.com/kobe-bryant-breaks-all-time-nba-record-for-missed-shots-1657687848

:kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 12, 2014, 09:32:10 AM
Quote from: Brehvolution on November 12, 2014, 09:30:25 AM
http://deadspin.com/kobe-bryant-breaks-all-time-nba-record-for-missed-shots-1657687848

:kobeyuck

 :ohhh
 :ohhh
 :ohhh
 :ohhh
 :ohhh
 :ohhh  :ohhh  :ohhh  :ohhh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 12, 2014, 10:06:11 AM
eh.  volume shooter gonna volume shoot.  Jordan's not that far away, nor is Kareem.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 12, 2014, 10:08:34 AM
Yeah, I'm not sure why the missed field goals thing has gotten so much play. I mean I understand it in the since that it sort of represents the type of gunner Kobe was and the ending of that era but we all knew that anyway. I doubt most people before this knew Havlicek had the record or cared.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 12, 2014, 10:19:31 AM
I'd be curious to see where Lebron is on that list. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 12, 2014, 10:22:50 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 12, 2014, 10:19:31 AM
I'd be curious to see where Lebron is on that list.

Lebron is a career 50% shooter

Kober is a career 45% shooter and averages many more attempts a game.

Lebron would have to play as long as Kobe (doubtful) to even come close to his number.

Kobe has 13,421 missed shots to date in 18 years (minus injuries)

Lebron has 8500 missed shots to date in 11 years.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 12, 2014, 10:33:30 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 12, 2014, 10:08:34 AM
Yeah, I'm not sure why the missed field goals thing has gotten so much play. I mean I understand it in the since that it sort of represents the type of gunner Kobe was and the ending of that era but we all knew that anyway. I doubt most people before this knew Havlicek had the record or cared.

I sure didn't......I thought for sure it would have been some gunner from the 80's like Mitch Richmond. Note even close, he only missed 8733 shots.

Here's a few:

Karl Malone:  12682
Kareem:        12470
Larry Bird:       8743
Magic:             5740
Mike J:           12,345
Danny Ferry   3,110
Manute Bol:   1,510
Allen Iverson: 11,439

One this is for sure. If Jordan would not have sat out those 3 prime years he would be around 14,000 misses, for sure.


Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 12, 2014, 10:42:51 AM
I would have thought Kareem or Karl Malone just because of their longevity.

Kobe is probably the last link to that old school way of thinking about basketball. I get into constant arguments with my older brother to this day because he's one of those types who still criticizes Lebron for too often passing at the end of the game. He just doesn't get that the game has changed. He still thinks it's 1988 and the best way to show how great a player you are is to go 1 on 5 even though its been statistically proven how inefficient that is.

But to people who grew up with a certain kind of basketball, they still think that's the macho way of playing the game.

Kobe is leading the league in scoring and field goal attempts on a terrible team with an awful fg%. If it was anybody else but Kobe doing this, he would be getting killed in the media, for being a selfish ahole. But Kobe is mostly immune to this criticism. People just go oh that's just Kobe. And he has a built in defense force in the media and with former players and because of the rings, unlike say Allen Iverson who essentially was similar at the end of his career but getting (rightfully mostly) killed for it. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2014, 08:19:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXgdpR3a2L4

I miss Bill Walton
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on November 12, 2014, 11:53:36 PM
Heat  :picard
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 13, 2014, 12:39:21 AM
Wolves looked great during the first half.  Fun young team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on November 13, 2014, 03:21:34 AM
Are there less games per day this season?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 13, 2014, 03:47:26 AM
I think they're having less games on nationalized game nights or something.

But 8-12 games a night is pretty standard I think.

And just to jump on the discussion last page a bit, at least 5000+ minutes 1974 forward, most missed FG per 100 team possessions:
Code: [Select]
1 Freeman Williams 15.9
2 Allen Iverson 15.8
3 Michael Jordan* 15.4
4 Kobe Bryant 15.2
5 Dominique Wilkins* 15.1
6 Tracy McGrady 15
7 Carmelo Anthony 15
8 Pete Maravich* 14.8
9 Vince Carter 14.3
10 Kyrie Irving 14.3
11 Antoine Walker 14.2
12 John Williamson 14.1
13 Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf 14.1
14 Russell Westbrook 14.1
15 Jordan Crawford 14
16 Jamal Mashburn 13.8
17 Bob Love 13.8
18 Brandon Jennings 13.8
19 Gilbert Arenas 13.7
20 Glenn Robinson 13.7Quintin Dailey, Michael Beasley, Michael Redd, Kemba Walker and Mark Aguirre are the next five. Then you get some nice old timers like World B. Free, Rick Barry, Fred Carter, along with Jannero Pargo, Rip Hamilton and THEN LeBron. (Darrell Griffith, Derrick Rose, Kevin Durant, Ben Gordon, Isiah Rider next five after LeBron.)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 13, 2014, 02:54:14 PM
Is Kobe really better than Timmy?

(http://imgur.com/ByhJwrm.png)

:whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Brehvolution on November 13, 2014, 04:14:12 PM
Kobe has 1 more rape, also.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on November 13, 2014, 04:27:49 PM
Duncan's the guy you'd want to get a drink with*

spoiler (click to show/hide)
*Because Kobe might slip something into yours
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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 13, 2014, 06:53:43 PM
It's a good thing Kobe got voted onto all those defensive teams despite only playing great defense all year long like twice and Duncan never won DPOY so we can we pretend this is a debate.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 13, 2014, 07:06:44 PM
http://www.theplayerstribune.com/michael-carter-williams-dont-talk-to-me-about-tanking/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 13, 2014, 07:07:42 PM
Shit, I double posted.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 13, 2014, 07:49:10 PM
The rape accusation isn't even the good part, it's the police interview transcript.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 13, 2014, 08:58:09 PM
(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--Dsr1BkZe--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/18f13oeljyd9yjpg.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/OzVMb2S.jpg)
(http://www.thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/750x970/documents/0924041kobeb14.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 13, 2014, 09:15:58 PM
five second blowjob, yeesh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: naff on November 13, 2014, 09:56:57 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 13, 2014, 07:06:44 PM
http://www.theplayerstribune.com/michael-carter-williams-dont-talk-to-me-about-tanking/

:lol

Quote from: MCW
All anybody was talking about was “tanking.”...The media spin was that we were tanking the season so we could get the number one draft pick...As players, we all know the math. The last place team only has a 25 percent chance of winning the lottery. Grown men are going to go out and purposely mail it in for a one-in-four shot at drafting somebody who might someday take their job? Nope.

Quote from: MCW
For me, it’s all about Ellen. I just think she’s awesome.

(http://i.imgur.com/IZsVHqP.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/STALk0o.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 13, 2014, 10:03:17 PM
Quote from: Butt Seriously on November 13, 2014, 09:56:57 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/IZsVHqP.png)

:dayum
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on November 13, 2014, 10:08:55 PM
I was coming in here to ask if you guys are seeing this.  Fuuuuuuuuuck.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on November 13, 2014, 10:12:42 PM
If I were Dallas I'd double down and go for the record.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 13, 2014, 10:15:12 PM
Regarding the MCW article. Tanking isn't something players do. It's something management sets in place by not acquiring talent. The players themselves are incidental to the process.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: naff on November 13, 2014, 10:17:54 PM
Of course, but it's funny MCW doesn't seem to realise that/is in such heavy denial he can't. When management stacks your team with d-league boffins no-ones ever heard of you're tanking.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 13, 2014, 10:20:31 PM
Quote from: Butt Seriously on November 13, 2014, 10:17:54 PM
Of course, but it's funny MCW doesn't seem to realise that/is in such heavy denial he can't. When management stacks your team with d-league boffins no-ones ever heard of you're tanking.

I think the more likely truth is not wanting to bite the hand that feeds you. Especially when you are a 23 year old kid who's biggest contracts are still ahead of him. It's easier to just go after "the media".
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: naff on November 13, 2014, 10:41:11 PM
Hmm. Maybe, it's not like he was asked a question. That's getting pretty deep into the narrative taking the initiative to write an article supporting a false narrative assuming he wasn't asked to

 :hans1

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 13, 2014, 10:12:42 PM
If I were Dallas I'd double down and go for the record.

they'd still need to double this differential though

http://articles.latimes.com/1991-12-18/sports/sp-476_1_cavaliers-set-nba-record
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 13, 2014, 11:06:51 PM
We gonna act like none of us saw that absolutely incredible Memphis comeback win...with a .3 second tip in to win by Courtney Lee?  AGAINST THE KINGS???  etiolate get in here
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 13, 2014, 11:08:02 PM
MCW never stopped to ask why he was thrust into a starting job he never lost and his coach told him and Evan Turner and Spencer Hawes and all those other people nobody ever heard of to keep chucking all those bricks off basic isolations and that they'd work on defense next season when Noel's healthy?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 13, 2014, 11:47:43 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 13, 2014, 11:06:51 PM
We gonna act like none of us saw that absolutely incredible Memphis comeback win...with a .3 second tip in to win by Courtney Lee?  AGAINST THE KINGS???  etiolate get in here

The kings were slaughtering them at the end of the first quarter too. 38-16
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: naff on November 14, 2014, 12:34:38 AM
Same thing against the Mavs the other day :'( back to back, 20+ point blowouts squandered in the second half. WTF
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 14, 2014, 12:37:00 AM
http://youtu.be/L_TLXGh5ayY
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 14, 2014, 12:40:38 AM
That's kinda like the play he missed in the Finals.

Only more successful obviously.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2014, 09:46:06 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/KV4waLH.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 14, 2014, 10:07:31 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/14/opinion/nba-commissioner-adam-silver-legalize-sports-betting.html?_r=0

Quote
Let me be clear: Any new approach must ensure the integrity of the game. One of my most important responsibilities as commissioner of the N.B.A. is to protect the integrity of professional basketball and preserve public confidence in the league and our sport. I oppose any course of action that would compromise these objectives.

But I believe that sports betting should be brought out of the underground and into the sunlight where it can be appropriately monitored and regulated.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cheddahz on November 14, 2014, 10:10:12 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on November 14, 2014, 10:07:31 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/14/opinion/nba-commissioner-adam-silver-legalize-sports-betting.html?_r=0

Quote
Let me be clear: Any new approach must ensure the integrity of the game. One of my most important responsibilities as commissioner of the N.B.A. is to protect the integrity of professional basketball and preserve public confidence in the league and our sport. I oppose any course of action that would compromise these objectives.

But I believe that sports betting should be brought out of the underground and into the sunlight where it can be appropriately monitored and regulated.
Silver just wanna get the gold
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 14, 2014, 10:28:44 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on November 14, 2014, 10:07:31 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/14/opinion/nba-commissioner-adam-silver-legalize-sports-betting.html?_r=0

Quote
Let me be clear: Any new approach must ensure the integrity of the game. One of my most important responsibilities as commissioner of the N.B.A. is to protect the integrity of professional basketball and preserve public confidence in the league and our sport. I oppose any course of action that would compromise these objectives.

But I believe that sports betting should be brought out of the underground and into the sunlight where it can be appropriately monitored and regulated.

Good for him. Probably not gonna happen any time remotely soon but I would like it to happen also.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 14, 2014, 05:46:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KQiCBIxCTs&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 14, 2014, 09:23:03 PM
Cavs getting their asses handed to them by the Celtics.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 14, 2014, 09:27:52 PM
Quote
Before a recent game, Byron Scott said he told his players "doubt kills dreams." The Los Angeles Lakers coach was just getting warmed up.

"I told them that I have no doubt that we will win a championship in my tenure here as head coach," Scott told ESPN.com this week, "because I know this organization. But I do know it's going to take some patience. It's a process."

Wait. A championship?

"I agree," Lakers star Kobe Bryant told ESPN.com when asked about Scott's remark.

Why?

"Faith," Bryant continued. "The Lakers' track record. This organization is really good about turning around, period. We don't have many dry years."

 :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 14, 2014, 09:51:36 PM
Celtics collapsing. Lebron having a big 4th quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 14, 2014, 10:06:38 PM
loollll  I've never seen an Nba player forget to shoot the ball at the end of a game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 14, 2014, 10:06:46 PM
Cavs steal one. Rondo not able to get up a final shot.

Their defense was still terrible though. They allow the Celtics to shoot 55% and score 121 points. Lebron had a big game. Scored over 40.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 14, 2014, 10:10:48 PM
Byron Scott is the biggest fucking lame.

leave every franchise you've been the head coach for in a demonstrably worse position than when you were hired brehs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 14, 2014, 11:42:45 PM
Anthony Davis has just been disgusting so far this season.

Shooting 55% 25 points a game. 13 rebounds a game. 2.3 steals. 4.4 blocks. PER 35.33 None of that includes tonight's game where he was 9 of 13 from the field.

 :ohhh

And he's 21.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rixg9A-1YRI


Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 15, 2014, 12:03:49 AM
Davis should by far be the running MVP candidate thus far in the season. Lebron second, Curry third.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 15, 2014, 12:16:55 AM
Kobe is 1 of 14 tonight.

Also this happened to the Knicks tonight.

http://youtu.be/uaDiZyg1GNg
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on November 15, 2014, 12:47:39 PM
My Jazz are pretty fun to watch this year I'll give them that much.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 15, 2014, 09:09:56 PM
Explosion game for the Cavs tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 16, 2014, 01:30:51 AM
Good to see LeBron isn't pussyfooting around anymore. Now they just have to get Love in rhythm.

Thoughts on that rumor about him bolting to LA? Seems ridiculous.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on November 16, 2014, 01:34:02 AM
he's coming to the city of angels, brehs. Love LA marketing incoming
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on November 16, 2014, 01:42:28 AM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2269029-lance-stephensons-contact-with-harrison-barnes-results-in-him-slapping-himself?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

 :shaq2
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 16, 2014, 12:52:14 PM
That was the first game I've seen the Cavs play exceptionally well.  How many minutes did they give Waiters...

eh, 27 is a little too much but he passed the ball well.  Still shot way too much.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 16, 2014, 01:14:16 PM
rewatching the highlights now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrCFaO5Ld10&list=UU-Ba10Rmz8pFivAVdQNeFyw

good christ most of those were jumpers too.  Nvm, he's the MVP so far.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 16, 2014, 01:18:21 PM
More of this

(http://i.imgur.com/S38DQ75.gif)


Less of the iso ball last night.

The thing is the Spurs do this every possession.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 16, 2014, 01:23:28 PM
and yet they are 5-4

not saying that means anything, but they haven't looked super impressive so far.  they'll be fine by the end of the season though
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 16, 2014, 02:15:14 PM
Spurs start off every season slow. But they still play right even when they lose.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on November 16, 2014, 02:16:37 PM
Nuggets with 6 points in the 2nd quarter. Impressively useless

edit: OK, another 2 by Lawson at the buzzer
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on November 16, 2014, 02:19:32 PM
Actually, wow, that was their only fieldgoal of the 2Q, all the other 6 points were FT:s :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on November 16, 2014, 08:39:37 PM
Heat :picard :picard
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 16, 2014, 08:41:35 PM
Miami seems to be coming back down to Earth. And the reality is still that Wade will miss a shit load of games during a season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on November 16, 2014, 08:45:14 PM
Seems so.

Though I still expected them to get these cupcake wins. I'll be coming to the point of just wanting to develop the young players and load up for 2016 if this keeps going on.

I think they'll still get 40+ win this season. Win when Wade is going and/or Bosh is beasting, but otherwise a team too flimsy to compete at the highest level.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 16, 2014, 09:19:06 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2mxa2ICIAEXhA5.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 16, 2014, 11:02:47 PM
Quote
The Minnesota Timberwolves, fresh off heavy back-to-back losses in New Orleans and Dallas and in the latest indication of their growing focus on the future, are in active trade discussions with multiple contending teams pursuing veteran swingman Corey Brewer, according to league sources.

Sources told ESPN.com that the Cleveland Cavaliers and Houston Rockets have emerged as the most serious suitors for Brewer, whose arrival would be a notable boost for either team in terms of depth.

Minnesota is believed to be seeking future assets in exchange for Brewer as it tries to accelerate its rebuilding effort in the wake of trading star power forward Kevin Love to the Cavaliers in August. Both Cleveland and Houston possess a trade exception large enough to absorb Brewer's $4.7 million salary, meaning that both teams would likely be able to acquire Brewer by merely surrendering future draft compensation and without giving up any key players.

The Wolves, who surrendered 139 and 131 points in their losses to the Pelicans and Mavericks on Friday and Saturday, ‎are starting rookie Zach LaVine at point guard after losing starter Ricky Rubio to a severely sprained ankle. They're also starting prized No. 1 overall draft pick Andrew Wiggins and second-year forward Anthony Bennett, with veteran center Nikola Pekovic limited by coach/team president Flip Saunders to 12 minutes in Saturday night's loss to the Mavericks.

If Brewer winds up in Cleveland, he'd be reunited with Love, with whom he has a close relationship after their well-chronicled success on the fast break as teammates in Minnesota. Brewer ranked as one of the league's foremost scorers in transition last season on the end of Love's outlet passes.

It's an open secret, furthermore, that the Cavaliers are looking to get stronger at shooting guard as well reduce LeBron James' minutes load, so Brewer would likely play multiple positions should the Cavs seal a deal for him.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11887703/minnesota-timberwolves-shopping-veteran-corey-brewer



 
Quote
Anthony Slater
‏@anthonyVslater
Lotta chirping between Thunder and Rockets right now. Kevin Durant repeatedly to Dwight Howard: "You're a pussy"
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on November 17, 2014, 12:51:56 PM
http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2014/11/17/morning-shootaround-nov-17/#lakers (http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2014/11/17/morning-shootaround-nov-17/#lakers)

Quote
Bryant defended his volume shooting, using metaphors about crime.
“Obviously I’d rather get guys involved early, but if a purse gets stolen in front of you, how many blocks are you going to let the guy run?” he asked.
“You going to chase him down and keep him in sight yourself or just wait for the authorities to get there, or decide to let him run and wait for the authorities to get there? It’s a tough thing.”

:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 17, 2014, 01:41:35 PM
Quote from: Hyoushi on November 17, 2014, 12:51:56 PM
http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2014/11/17/morning-shootaround-nov-17/#lakers (http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2014/11/17/morning-shootaround-nov-17/#lakers)

Quote
Bryant defended his volume shooting, using metaphors about crime.
“Obviously I’d rather get guys involved early, but if a purse gets stolen in front of you, how many blocks are you going to let the guy run?” he asked.
“You going to chase him down and keep him in sight yourself or just wait for the authorities to get there, or decide to let him run and wait for the authorities to get there? It’s a tough thing.”

:dead

Sometimes you don't have time to wait for consent. Just do it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 17, 2014, 02:43:44 PM
https://vine.co/v/O5PvaIYAe53
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 17, 2014, 02:52:29 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Kobe has a game where he scores 60 or 70 this year with an insane amount of shot attempts. It feels like that kind of season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on November 17, 2014, 02:59:32 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 17, 2014, 02:43:44 PM
https://vine.co/v/O5PvaIYAe53

I just realized Lin's cap hit is higher than Dirk's.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on November 17, 2014, 04:47:14 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 17, 2014, 02:52:29 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Kobe has a game where he scores 60 or 70 this year with an insane amount of shot attempts. It feels like that kind of season.

He scored 44 in that game but was still -34. That's just absurd
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on November 17, 2014, 07:24:03 PM
Quote from: Hyoushi on November 17, 2014, 04:47:14 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 17, 2014, 02:52:29 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Kobe has a game where he scores 60 or 70 this year with an insane amount of shot attempts. It feels like that kind of season.

He scored 44 in that game but was still -34. That's just absurd
:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 18, 2014, 09:06:49 PM
Quote
INDEPENDENCE, Ohio -- We could be seeing less of LeBron James moving forward.

James topped the 40-minute plateau in seven of the Cleveland Cavaliers' first nine games, with his 39.1 minutes per game average ranking third in the NBA behind Oklahoma City's Reggie Jackson (41.4) and Chicago's Jimmy Butler (40.3).

He said after practice Tuesday that it might be time for him to cut down on that playing time.

"I wouldn't mind it," James said. "I think we have to give our guys on the bench more of an opportunity. I looked at a stat and myself, Kyrie (Irving) and Kevin (Love) are three of the top five guys in the league in minutes per game and that has to come down."

Indeed, Irving (38.4 minutes per game) and Love (37.0) rank fourth and fifth behind James.

"For me, I don't want to do that all year," James said. "Obviously right now it's difficult because we're trying to find a groove, we're trying to find a rhythm and we're trying to implement something that you don't want to shortcut it, but at the same time you want to be smart about it. So, I don't mind giving a few of my minutes up just to help the team, to help my minutes go down. I think it would be for the best."

Part of the reason that James has been logging so many minutes is Shawn Marion, brought in this summer in part to play back-up small forward behind James, has been moved to the starting lineup in order to shore up the Cavs' struggling defense.

All of the playing time for the Cavs' Big Three has paid off in their scoring averages -- James is second in the league at 27.1 points per game, Irving is 11th at 22.1 and Love is 37th at 17.4 -- but it's hurt the development of the team's second unit. Cleveland averages just 23.9 bench points per game, putting them 29th -- or second to last -- in the league.

During the preseason, Cavs coach David Blatt said that "39 minutes is a lot" when considering James' 39.5 career average in minutes played. He went on to add "We got to keep our wits about us in terms of thinking long term with LeBron." On another occasion during training camp Blatt admitted he "could" sit James out a game or two during the regular season to allow for rest.

Blatt revisited the idea of minute management Tuesday.

"I really think that it might be a good idea for our guys to play some shorter stretches harder rather than longer stretches," James said. "And we're going to see how we can incorporate that philosophy."

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11900095/lebron-james-pt-cleveland-cavaliers-big-3-come-down

I think Blatt is taking a subtle dig that maximum effort isn't being given until the 4th quarter. And I would agree with that. Heat had the same issue.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on November 18, 2014, 09:43:35 PM
kobe still da god
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 19, 2014, 10:12:48 AM
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2014/11/cleveland_cavaliers_gm_david_g.html#incart_more_sports

Dion Waiters, he's talking to you.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 19, 2014, 10:17:29 AM
Picks and Waiters for Brewer.  Make it happen
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 19, 2014, 12:58:45 PM
Quote from: Esch on November 19, 2014, 12:55:57 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2014/11/lebron_james_my_minutes_have_t.html

Quote
LeBron James said he "wouldn't mind" playing fewer minutes and that the Cleveland Cavaliers' bench needed "more of an opportunity."

James is averaging the third-most minutes per game in the NBA at 39.1. Fourth and fifth on that list are Kyrie Irving (38.4 mpg) and Kevin Love (37.0 mpg).

"That has to come down," James said Tuesday, referring to the playing time for Cleveland's Big 3.

"For me, I don't want to do that all year," James said. "Obviously right now it's difficult because we're trying to find a groove and we're trying to find a rhythm and we're trying to find something that you can't really, you don't want to shortcut it but at the same time you gotta be smart about it."

(http://i.imgur.com/LGosVVB.png)

Unsure why you think this is funny? Dude doesn't want to play 40 minutes a game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 19, 2014, 06:48:07 PM
Cavs versus Spurs on ESPN in 15 minutes
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 19, 2014, 07:34:28 PM
Spurs exploiting that weak cavs d but still close after first quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 19, 2014, 08:43:00 PM
throw bounce passes to your 7 foot center's feet brehs

we need a :ginoblinsick but with a giant bald spot instead of a flattop
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 19, 2014, 09:19:16 PM
andy sideshowbob :o
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 19, 2014, 09:21:29 PM
Love's defense is atrocious.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 19, 2014, 09:22:10 PM
eh, he was right on duncan.  duncan is just...you know, duncan
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 19, 2014, 09:29:31 PM
yup, cavs D is awful
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 19, 2014, 09:35:39 PM
fucking hell :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 19, 2014, 09:37:16 PM
Lebron James

 :shaq2

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 19, 2014, 09:51:35 PM
Love on offense has just been a mess also. Not sure why they are struggling with integrating him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: naff on November 21, 2014, 10:03:16 PM
I am so confused every time i watch the Pelicans (playing Nuggets). Go up 12, throw away your lead then bench your most efficient players, just leave the guards playing fuckball... Is there something wrong with AD? he shoots 4-5, doesn't look tired and he's rested most of the second quarter while Anderson and Rivers throw bricks....

Oh, and Asik re injured his back in practice.... :fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on November 21, 2014, 10:43:39 PM
6-22 when no one else in the game can shoot under 50%. That Kobe Bryant efficiency.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 21, 2014, 10:52:31 PM
You're gonna have those nights when you give up 140.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on November 21, 2014, 11:01:25 PM
160 is the benchmark.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 21, 2014, 11:29:10 PM
Maybe its time to start worrying that the cavs aren't exactly working out great...
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 22, 2014, 12:09:25 AM
No, it's not time to.  When we're 30 games in, then we'll talk.  They still have the ability to be a top 3 EC team.  They're just being exposed as a new team...which they are.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2014, 11:10:17 AM
Didn't the Heat start out 9-8? Cavs should be fine however I wouldn't be surprised if they get rid of the coach. That offense looks bad, and while it's moreso due to bad execution I bet he'll take the fall.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 22, 2014, 12:54:53 PM
offense looks like it'll be fine once people play their roles.  Everyone needs to stop turning the ball over, though.  Lebron has been awful with turnovers this season.

It would be folly to chuck Blatt after one month, seriously dude?  Give it a season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 22, 2014, 01:25:36 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2014, 11:10:17 AM
Didn't the Heat start out 9-8? Cavs should be fine however I wouldn't be surprised if they get rid of the coach. That offense looks bad, and while it's moreso due to bad execution I bet he'll take the fall.

Still small sample size but Love looks lost in the offense currently. And Lebron while good isn't the Lebron from the Miami years at the moment. He is not nearly as efficient. Whether that will be fixed of course is the million dollar question.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: naff on November 22, 2014, 03:43:01 PM
Loving the Cavs low point, so beautiful seeing this team get crushed  :rejoice Miss Bron in Miami, the inspirational return schtick never sat right with me, that Nike ad was the tipping point for peak cringe factor :-\

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN0WqSeCKW8

:bow2

i am also relishing this train wreck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9iwrCmtQcE
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Brehvolution on November 24, 2014, 12:43:53 PM
Noah's got that gaze :noah
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 24, 2014, 12:45:31 PM
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Watching the Lakers right now is honestly unlike anything I can remember in my NBA life. They have transcended basketball and become some meta public art piece that we can all enjoy.

Watching them play, and in particular watching Kobe Bryant play offense, gives the feeling of having jumped into a time machine to 1993. Bryant gets the ball on the wing early in a possession, backs down like some hybrid of Mark Jackson and Michael Jordan, and unleashes a preposterous 20-foot turnaround ripped from an ancient league.

NBA offenses over the last half-decade evolved to avoid precisely the kinds of shots that Bryant is taking at near record levels. It’s not just the simple analytics, either — the math that says a contested midrange shot is the worst one in the game.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/kobe-bryant-los-angeles-lakers-absurd-present-and-unknowable-future/



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LeBron James was blunt in his criticism of his own play amid the Cleveland Cavaliers' uninspiring 5-7 start to the season.

"We got a four-game losing streak, so I stink," James said after shootaround Monday in advance of the Cavs' game against the Orlando Magic. "I'm not doing my job. I got to do a better job and it will help our team."

Through 12 games, James is averaging the least amount of points (24.7) on the lowest shooting percentage (46.7) of his career since his rookie season in 2003-04. In terms of win-loss record, he is also off to the worst start of his career since that season when the Cavs went 4-8 out of the gate.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11930890/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers-says-do-better-job
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 25, 2014, 12:48:46 PM
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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 25, 2014, 01:46:49 PM
Lebron bossed out last night brehs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: naff on November 25, 2014, 04:09:29 PM
Burke was hot last night. PD your boy's finally starting to look decent, v balanced game
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Brehvolution on November 25, 2014, 04:23:46 PM
If the 76ers lose 76 games...... :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 25, 2014, 10:51:38 PM
Who gets run out of town first, Derrick Rose or RG3?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: naff on November 26, 2014, 12:02:55 AM
I've fucked my knee up a couple times, currently waiting on surgery for a ruptured acl and torn mcl, how easily and randomly it happens while playing puts the fear deep inside you. Sometimes I get a little teary thinking about it, i can't even imagine the sort of shit Rose must be dealing with. So many Ls being taken, remembering 2010/11 like it was a dream... Fuk any chi city niccas giving him shit for how he's handled this situation, no matter how good his surgeon is each time it happens there's a better chance it will happen again, nothing you can do. Bulls gotta take this L gracefully or be known as shit cunts forever.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDZf336nVJY
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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on November 26, 2014, 03:19:08 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 25, 2014, 12:48:46 PM
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Harden :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 26, 2014, 07:05:16 PM
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Given that the Lakers have the league's second-worst point differential (minus-9.6 entering Wednesday's game against the Memphis Grizzlies at Staples Center), it's not as though they've faced too many "crunch-time" situations -- which the NBA defines as the final five minutes of the fourth quarter or overtime with the score within five points -- this season, but they've had their share.

And in those moments, according to ESPN Stats & Information, Bryant is shooting 36.4 percent (12-of-33) from the field, which is below the league's crunch-time average (39.7 percent entering Monday) and far below his last full season (2012-13), when he shot 42.6 percent in crunch time.

That Bryant's crunch-time shooting is slightly below league average doesn't seem to be that big of an issue, but it's exacerbated by the large volume of the Lakers' late possessions Bryant uses.

Usage percentage measures the percentage of team possessions that a team "uses" -- basically, any time a possession ends with the ball coming out of the player's hands, such as when he shoots it -- when a player is on the court. Entering Monday, Bryant led the NBA with a 36.8 usage percentage overall, but in crunch time, that number skyrockets to 52 percent of the Lakers' possessions -- by far the highest such rate in the NBA.

Worse, among the league's top six leaders in crunch-time usage percentage this season, Bryant has the lowest true shooting percentage -- which accounts for free throws as well as the added value of 3-pointers -- of any of them at 45.2 percent.

In other words, when the game is on the line, nobody dominates the ball more for any one team than Bryant does for the Lakers -- and nobody misses more, either.

Carmelo Anthony, who has a similar crunch-time usage percentage to Bryant (46.3), has a much better true shooting percentage (76). LeBron James, whose clutch-time usage percentage is also comparable (38.6), also has a much better true shooting percentage (66).

Beyond that, Bryant has taken 33 crunch-time shots for the Lakers while the rest of his teammates have combined for 22. In fact, Kobe has taken more than four times as many crunch-time shots as any one of his teammates.

The next closest is Jeremy Lin, who has taken seven.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11938700/save-los-angeles-lakers-kobe-bryant
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: naff on November 26, 2014, 09:44:45 PM
do the lakers want to be saved from kobe? im with glen on this, best stealth tank ever.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 28, 2014, 04:57:01 PM
Just some random thoughts.

I was wondering why the grizzlies have gotten off to such a good start as I haven't seen them yet this year. I thought maybe Vince Carter was having a big impact with them. Looked at the stats.

5.7 ppg. FG%:35 3 Pt FG%:30

Nope.


How is Lance Stephenson doing over in Charlotte.

9.7 ppg FG%:37  PER 10.97

Not so hot.


Why is it impossible for Mike Miller to play well when he is on the same team as Lebron during the regular season.

11.7 minutes per game. 28 FG% 20 3PT FG%  1.2 points per game.

This is after having a relatively strong bounce back role player season last year in Memphis where he played in all 82 games.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 30, 2014, 05:37:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6xbcrJH2Bs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC-h9t6v9jA&feature=youtu.be&t=4m17s
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 01, 2014, 01:44:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcYsOlckMo4
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 02, 2014, 01:32:32 PM
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After missing the last six weeks with a fractured right foot, the reigning MVP is back as Kevin Durant will make his season debut Tuesday night against the New Orleans Pelicans.

Durant, 26, underwent surgery to repair a Jones fracture on Oct. 16 and had a timetable to be re-evaluated in six weeks. He returned to practice last week, going through mostly non-contact drills, but participated in a full practice Monday.

He previously had missed only 14 games total in his seven-year NBA career. Last season he averaged a league-best 32.0 points with 7.4 rebounds and 5.5 assists en route to his first MVP award.

Teammate Russell Westbrook returned from a fractured hand on Wednesday as the Thunder (5-12) have won consecutive games.

Westbrook was sensational in his return, scoring 32 points on 12 of 17 shooting with seven rebounds and eight assists in just 23 minutes as the Thunder blew out the Knicks, 105-78.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11968055/kevin-durant-oklahoma-city-thunder-return-fractured-foot-vs-new-orleans-pelicans
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant back tonight)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on December 03, 2014, 12:34:30 AM
TIL that Rudy Gay -in his 9th season with career averages of 35.9 mpg and 24.8 usg%- had never logged more than 9 assists in a single game prior to tonight
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant back tonight)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 03, 2014, 08:05:51 AM
Cavs starting to look real good. I actually saw them play defense twice. Amazing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant back)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 03, 2014, 10:33:16 AM
Anthony Davis still beasting over everybody.

Top Ten in PER

1   Anthony Davis,            33.33   
2   Stephen Curry             27.88   
3   DeMarcus Cousins      27.82   
4   Chris Paul                27.26   
5   Brandan Wright           26.93   
6   Marreese Speights       26.58
7   James Harden              24.98   
8   LeBron James              24.22
9   Dwyane Wade              24.20   
10   Marc Gasol                  23.56


(http://cdn-jpg.si.com/sites/default/files/2014/12/02/anthony_davis_si_cover.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant back)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 03, 2014, 10:35:44 AM
Yeah, he is definitely a beast. Never seen another player like him. Puts him in the Lebron/Durant level.

Wait a minute...

5   Brandan Wright           26.93 

 :holeup
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant back)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 03, 2014, 10:45:19 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 03, 2014, 10:35:44 AM
Wait a minute...

5   Brandan Wright           26.93 

 :holeup

PER is just a measure of relative performance. So relatively speaking in the minutes, he is playing, Wright is currently playing way above normal. It tends to work itself out by the end of the year like a batting average.

Some minor players tend to do really well though in the limited minutes role they have relatively speaking. Not that PER is a perfect statistic though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant back)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 03, 2014, 10:50:42 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 03, 2014, 10:45:19 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 03, 2014, 10:35:44 AM
Wait a minute...

5   Brandan Wright           26.93 

 :holeup

PER is just a measure of relative performance. So relatively speaking in the minutes, he is playing, Wright is currently playing way above normal. It tends to work itself out by the end of the year like a batting average.

Some minor players tend to do really well though in the limited minutes role they have.

I know how per is calculated. I still would not have expected this statue to be there :-)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant back)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 03, 2014, 10:53:52 AM
He seems to be a recent staple of the list as he was 13th last year. Maybe he just hits the sweet spot for how PER works.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/year/2014


Honestly, I almost never get to watch the Mavs unless its the playoffs so I can't really comment on him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant back)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 03, 2014, 10:54:59 AM
has PER become the basketball equivalent to QBR?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant back)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 03, 2014, 10:57:08 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on December 03, 2014, 10:54:59 AM
has PER become the basketball equivalent to QBR?

I just think basketball is tougher than obviously say baseball when it comes to this stuff. I think PER is a nice window into something but it alone in a vacuum like any statistic can be misleading.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant back)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 03, 2014, 10:57:42 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 03, 2014, 10:53:52 AM
He seems to be a recent staple of the list as he was 13th last year. Maybe he just hits the sweet spot for how PER works.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/year/2014


Honestly, I almost never get to watch the Mavs unless its the playoffs so I can't really comment on him.

He's great for 6 minutes a game. And by great I mean he isn't going to kill you...he won't win games for you either.

Per needs to have a minutes weight attached to it to make full sense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant back)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 03, 2014, 10:58:18 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on December 03, 2014, 10:54:59 AM
has PER become the basketball equivalent to QBR?

Nah because nobody on the planet can figure out QBR. Such a stupid stat.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant back)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 03, 2014, 11:01:13 AM
The thing is Holinger may have improved some of his  formulas and such but we don't really hear from him on these subjects as much anymore since he became an exec with the Grizz. There is also a lot of new stat tracking breakdowns that can be done with the motion cameras in nba arenas that we don't necessarily get currently as the general public.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant back)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 03, 2014, 11:04:01 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 03, 2014, 11:01:13 AM
The thing is Holinger may have improved some of his  formulas and such but we don't really hear from him on these subjects as much anymore since he became an exec with the Grizz. There is also a lot of new stat tracking breakdowns that can be done with the motion cameras in nba arenas that we don't necessarily get currently as the general public.


Meh, at this point I turn my brain off when the nerds start over analyzing shit like "Lebron is 3.8% less likely to dribble with his left hand in Memphis on the weekend"

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant back)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 03, 2014, 11:08:11 AM
Too much of anything can grate but I much prefer this era of fact based discussion relative to just eyeball tests and the regular stats which can be completely deluding. It also ushered in the end of the era of people like Jordan, and Isiah, being able to just parlay their success on the court as a means of being able to evaluate talent in a meaningful way.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant back)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 03, 2014, 11:09:39 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 03, 2014, 11:08:11 AM
Too much of anything can grate but I much prefer this era of fact based discussion relative to just eyeball tests and the regular stats which can be completely deluding. It also ushered in the end of the era of people like Jordan, and Isiah, being able to just parlay their success on the court as a means of being able to evaluate talent in a meaningful way.

I mean as a guy who played a sport for a long time I do believe there are natural born winners. I've played against and played with them.

You'll never be able to properly quantify why Tom Brady or Joe Montana are so great when their actual mechanics are average. But nobody can argue with their outcome.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant back)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 03, 2014, 11:14:51 AM
I can argue Spygate  :what
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant back)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 03, 2014, 11:23:39 AM
On another random note, Pau Gasol is doing really well in Chicago. Much better than his last two years in LA.

Kind of makes me think of two things.

A.) How the Lakers were completely fucking him over.

And

B.) There were rumours that the Heat had the inside track on Pau until he found out Lebron wasn't giving Miami any love. I wonder how the big three in Miami with Gasol added in the mix would have done.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant back)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 03, 2014, 11:26:27 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 03, 2014, 11:23:39 AM
On another random note, Pau Gasol is doing really well in Chicago. Much better than his last two years in LA.

Kind of makes me think of two things.

A.) How the Lakers were completely fucking him over.

And

B.) There were rumours that the Heat had the inside track on Pau until he found out Lebron wasn't giving Miami any love. I wonder how the big three in Miami with Gasol added in the mix would have done.

I always liked both Gasols. He wasn't a fit after Phil left.

Gason to the Heat with the big 3? Title.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant back)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 03, 2014, 11:34:01 AM
Chalmers
Wade
Lebron
Bosh
Gasol

fuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant back)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 03, 2014, 06:58:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjU7BYcJwIw&feature=youtu.be


 :holeup
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant back)
Post by: naff on December 03, 2014, 10:41:05 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 03, 2014, 11:01:13 AM
The thing is Holinger may have improved some of his  formulas and such but we don't really hear from him on these subjects as much anymore since he became an exec with the Grizz. There is also a lot of new stat tracking breakdowns that can be done with the motion cameras in nba arenas that we don't necessarily get currently as the general public.

stats.nba.com has moved to using PIE instead of PER. Incorporates more defensive stats or something...

i would be keen to try synergy. The other day i was thinking about dwight and wanted to know how many points he's been scoring off pick n roll vs post ups and how his percentage scoring off using post vs pick n roll moves had changed since he's been working with houston vs la and his last years with orlando. Synergy has all that... I mean, people report on it, it's obvious dwight sucks (relatively) in the post and should stick to the pick n roll offense as much as he can, and he seems like he's been using it more in houston, but it would satisfy me to know facts.

Also, this looks like a great timesink

http://statm.us/W1ZC7YREeI

76ers get their first win :lol

Jazz bench getting destroyed still :fbm making another 2nd half comeback as usual.

Their starters are actually p good, and i love favors heaps but their bench is a turd sandwich. Bench went 38-12 the other night against Denver, down 22, then they come back to within 1 point. Teams got potential, and the starters are fun to watch, trade Kanter, keep Gobert, hope Burke becomes consistent.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant back)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2014, 01:54:10 AM
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant back)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 04, 2014, 01:55:09 AM
Monta has been Kobe-ing it up lately.  really fun to watch
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant back)
Post by: Your Stalker on December 04, 2014, 02:19:02 AM
He's been chucking his team out of games and being a locker room cancer? That's sad to hear.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant back)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2014, 03:15:02 PM
http://grantland.com/features/everybody-loves-mike-miller-nba-cleveland-cavaliers-lebron-james-memphis-grizzlies-orlando-magic-tracy-mcgrady/


Nice article on Mike Miller
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant back)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2014, 03:16:23 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2014, 03:15:02 PM
http://grantland.com/features/everybody-loves-mike-miller-nba-cleveland-cavaliers-lebron-james-memphis-grizzlies-orlando-magic-tracy-mcgrady/


Nice article on Mike Miller

From what local media says here Lebron tears down Kyrie and then Miller builds him back up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2014, 09:13:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nhOb5CucU0
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2014, 09:38:40 PM
Cavs defense looking awful tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2014, 09:51:23 PM
Kyrie going off. Lebron having a crap night.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2014, 09:55:31 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2014, 09:51:23 PM
Kyrie going off. Lebron having a crap night.

10 Points 10 assists 5 rebounds and 2 steals in 3 quarters something you do a lot bro?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2014, 09:57:13 PM
4 turnovers. 2 of 10. Bad shot selection.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2014, 10:10:07 PM
lol. Amare more active than Tristan.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 04, 2014, 10:10:59 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2014, 09:55:31 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2014, 09:51:23 PM
Kyrie going off. Lebron having a crap night.

10 Points 10 assists 5 rebounds and 2 steals in 3 quarters something you do a lot bro?

Bro cmon.  Lebron is better than this.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: naff on December 04, 2014, 10:13:15 PM
still Love and Lebron the only ones putting up positive +-. kyrie 0 ast, bron 10. kyrie and dion playing iso all night while their teammates get frustrated. lame
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2014, 10:13:38 PM
The Cavs have looked terrible tonight all around. And they are playing the Knicks. That being said, one good run and they could steal it so there is always that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2014, 10:21:40 PM
[insert joke about number of racist comments Trump and O'Reilly have probably shared tonight]
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2014, 10:25:10 PM
Huge 3 there by bron
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2014, 10:31:29 PM
Surprised they called that. They almost never do.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2014, 10:39:52 PM
lol. Kyrie was pissed about that timeout.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 04, 2014, 10:41:51 PM
Kyrie with fantastic shooting tonight, but this is not how the Cavs need to win games.  More points from Lebron and love are needed, and more assists from Kyrie are too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2014, 10:41:57 PM
Dagger basket by Kyrie. He made some pretty fucking buckets tonight. 12 of 18.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2014, 10:43:33 PM
Cavs steal an ugly one but the W is all that counts. Lots of problems tonight though against a sub-par team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyrqreIUuJI&list=UUWJ2lWNubArHWmf3FIHbfcQ
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 05, 2014, 12:04:32 AM
This Warriors offense

 :lawd

Them versus the Spurs in a playoff series would be epic.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 05, 2014, 02:58:51 PM
Cavs play Raptors tonight on the road. Should be an interesting test against a good team on a back to back when the Cavs already looked lethargic last night.

I don't think Kyrie occasionally having big shooting nights like he did last night is the problem. He was clearly hot while the rest of the team wasn't, so when people over-react to the assist numbers in some occasions, I think they are not understanding what was going on during the flow of a particular game.

That being said, good offense is like porn. You know it when you see it. Watching the Spurs or the Warriors last night, everybody was cutting, everybody was selfless, the big man aren't just statues camped out in the lane. The Cavs still aren't anywhere near that yet obviously. We'll see where they are around the all-star break.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 05, 2014, 08:05:45 PM
Good first quarter for the Cavs. Much more active on offense and defense compared to last night.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 05, 2014, 09:25:21 PM
Cavs up a dozen going into the final quarter. Solid effort tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 05, 2014, 09:50:25 PM
Huge bounce back from Lebron tonight. He has been killer.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 05, 2014, 09:57:36 PM
It's over. Nice game also from Tristan Thompson after getting outhustled by Amare last night.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 05, 2014, 10:50:06 PM
I finished up watching the second half of the bucks versus the heat.


The Bucks are a better team.

 :goty2

http://youtu.be/IlSbIGKEnLE


I just kinda feel sad for the Knicks now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 06, 2014, 01:31:49 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCk7O9hwagg

:heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 06, 2014, 01:53:01 AM
At least Amare comes off the books next year.

They'll have a lot more money to upgrade the team next season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on December 06, 2014, 05:13:49 AM
Oh my god her voice is grating as hell.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cheddahz on December 06, 2014, 09:24:53 AM
The Hornets finally won a game for first time in who knows how long  :rejoice :rejoice :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 08, 2014, 10:34:00 AM
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SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Sacramento Kings center DeMarcus Cousins has been diagnosed with viral meningitis and will be sidelined at least another week.


The Kings said Sunday night that Cousins' symptoms are stable and a full recovery is expected. He has sat out the last five games with what the team initially called a viral infection, which sent him to the hospital for tests last week.

Sacramento plays Utah on Monday and visits the Los Angeles Lakers on Tuesday before hosting Houston on Thursday and Detroit on Saturday. Cousins is not expected to play in any of those games.

Cousins is averaging career highs of 23.5 points, 12.6 rebounds and 1.5 blocks. Sacramento has gone 1-4 since Cousins has been out.

Unfortunate for him and the team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 08, 2014, 10:58:47 AM
Mav's averaging 111 ppg. :rejoice

Giving up 103, tho.  :yeshrug
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 08, 2014, 04:26:10 PM
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"All indications are, to me, from him, that this (two-year contract) is going to be it," Kupchak said. "If somebody's thinking of buying a ticket three years from now to see Kobe play, I would not do that. Don't wait. Do it this year."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant back)
Post by: benjipwns on December 08, 2014, 04:28:26 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 03, 2014, 10:57:42 AM
Per needs to have a minutes weight attached to it to make full sense.
That kinda defeats the purpose of it.

Just use WS or VORP from B-R to get something like that.

Regarding Wright he averages 17/8 with 3 blocks per 36 minutes (leading the league in block %) while scoring at 75% (74% on FG's AND FT's) so he's going to show up near the top of any per minute/possession based summary stat on the latter fact alone.

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Player Efficiency Rating

1. Anthony Davis-NOP 33.2
2. Chris Paul-LAC 28.1
3. DeMarcus Cousins-SAC 27.8
4. Stephen Curry-GSW 27.5
5. Brandan Wright-DAL 27.3
6. Dwyane Wade-MIA 24.9
7. James Harden-HOU 24.7
8. Kyle Lowry-TOR 24.3
9. LeBron James-CLE 24.1
10. Tyson Chandler-DAL 23.8
11. Derrick Favors-UTA 23.4
12. Kyrie Irving-CLE 23.1
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Win Shares

1. Chris Paul-LAC 4.4
2. Anthony Davis-NOP 4.3
3. Stephen Curry-GSW 3.9
4. James Harden-HOU 3.9
5. Tyson Chandler-DAL 3.4
6. Kyle Lowry-TOR 3.4
7. Damian Lillard-POR 3.3
8. Kyrie Irving-CLE 3.2
9. Jimmy Butler-CHI 3.1
10. Marc Gasol-MEM 2.9
11. LaMarcus Aldridge-POR 2.6
12. Mike Conley-MEM 2.6
13. LeBron James-CLE 2.6
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Win Shares Per 48 Minutes

1. Chris Paul-LAC .324
2. Stephen Curry-GSW .302
3. Anthony Davis-NOP .301
4. Brandan Wright-DAL .286
5. James Harden-HOU .255
6. Tyson Chandler-DAL .254
7. Kyle Lowry-TOR .239
8. Damian Lillard-POR .230
9. Kyrie Irving-CLE .227
10. Jimmy Butler-CHI .210
11. DeMarcus Cousins-SAC .208
12. Marc Gasol-MEM .203
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Box Plus/Minus

1. Stephen Curry-GSW 9.4
2. Chris Paul-LAC 7.9
3. James Harden-HOU 7.5
4. Anthony Davis-NOP 7.4
5. Damian Lillard-POR 6.7
6. Kyle Lowry-TOR 6.7
7. Brandan Wright-DAL 6.4
8. LeBron James-CLE 5.8
9. Tyson Chandler-DAL 5.7
10. Danny Green-SAS 5.3
11. Andrew Bogut-GSW 5.2
12. Kyrie Irving-CLE 5.0
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1. Stephen Curry-GSW 7.8
2. James Harden-HOU 7.2
3. Anthony Davis-NOP 7.1
4. Chris Paul-LAC 7.0
5. Damian Lillard-POR 6.3
6. Kyle Lowry-TOR 6.2
7. LeBron James-CLE 6.2
8. Kyrie Irving-CLE 5.5
9. Marc Gasol-MEM 4.8
10. Tyson Chandler-DAL 4.7
11. John Wall-WAS 4.5
12. Paul Millsap-ATL 4.4
13. Danny Green-SAS 4.4
14. DeAndre Jordan-LAC 4.4
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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 08, 2014, 04:41:51 PM
I just don't get the Pistons. Didn't expect much but they're losing to bad teams as badly as they lose to good teams. Drummond seems to be in a funk or isn't getting the touches you'd expect a soon-to-be-elite caliber big man to get.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 08, 2014, 04:52:23 PM
I thought they've looked better in the last five games or so, they should have really won three or so of those.

SVG seemed really intent on making Smith/Monroe/Drummond work, but he's recently seemed to come to terms with the fact that you can only really play two of the three at once. (And that Smith is a terror for OTHER teams at PF.) I think they were on the floor together for a single free throw in the Thunder game.

It also lets you put another shooter on the floor which he probably loves. Jennings also seems to play better when the floor has more spacing since he likes those little pockets for dumb long jumpers which are like some kind of stress release. (I think he has a shot timer in his head.)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 08, 2014, 06:42:14 PM
Today every kid at my step son's school got to pick a book from the book fair because Robin Lopez bought them, go Blazers!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 09, 2014, 01:11:10 AM
https://youtube.com/watch?v=C1vEsORTlL0

Feels
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: naff on December 09, 2014, 01:37:52 AM
Crazy fluke finish for the Clippers, had $5 that would've returned 60 on Phoenix to win too  :shaq2
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 09, 2014, 02:52:25 AM
http://youtu.be/6gg7WhzOQS0
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 09, 2014, 09:26:27 AM
Knock Knock

"Who's there?"

Cleveland, bitches.

(http://imgick.cleveland.com/home/cleve-media/pgmain/img/plain-dealer/photo/2014/12/09/royals-us-visit-5b0f023fda7c3b0f.jpg)

 :umad
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 09, 2014, 10:51:06 AM
He looks like he'd be down for it. :leon
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 09, 2014, 10:54:01 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on December 09, 2014, 10:51:06 AM
He looks like he'd be down for it. :leon

I think he already got that ass. The Prince reports to the King yo.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 09, 2014, 09:19:44 PM
Nice comeback from the Cavs tonight. They were down 10 going into the 4th quarter against the Raptors.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 09, 2014, 09:22:58 PM
Raptors still in this
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 09, 2014, 09:26:29 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on December 09, 2014, 09:22:58 PM
Raptors still in this


:umad
:umad
:umad
:umad
:umad :umad :umad
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 09, 2014, 09:46:21 PM
(http://www.thecoli.com/media/princess-slayer.3214/full?d=1418147601)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 09, 2014, 11:31:27 PM
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/12006175/former-los-angeles-lakers-forward-earl-clark-signing-shandong-lions-china

Rather play in China than for the Lakers

 :mynicca
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cheddahz on December 10, 2014, 10:40:04 AM
Looks like the Nets have Deron Williams, Brook Lopez, and Joe Johnson on the market...good luck unloading those contracts

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/12004817/brooklyn-nets-exploring-trades-deron-williams-brook-lopez-joe-johnson
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on December 10, 2014, 11:01:40 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on December 10, 2014, 03:33:00 AM
Not really liking our chance of keeping our draft pick this year. This team still sucks, but we aren't sucking quite enough.
Some Knicks fans have been saying that we might as well tank this season for some kid named Okafor. Anyone know anything about him?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 10, 2014, 11:03:19 AM
The Knicks will be better anyway next year just become of cap-room.

The only damage being done right now is maybe to Carmelo's reputation which might hurt when it comes to attracting people but whatever. Money tends to trump that anyway.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on December 10, 2014, 11:09:15 AM
I know, I just wanna know about this kid. I don't follow college or high school ball, so I never know anything about the top draft picks until the off season.

Melo is also playing a bit hurt now which sucks. Constant knee issue and recently back spasms. I hope no one tries to blame this season on Fisher. He got thrown into a terrible situation.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 10, 2014, 11:11:06 AM
Maybe Phoenix or Anonymous would know. I stopped following college bball a long time ago. I just wait until they become pros before I bother learning about them now.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 10, 2014, 11:14:06 AM
Quote from: Beezy on December 10, 2014, 11:01:40 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on December 10, 2014, 03:33:00 AM
Not really liking our chance of keeping our draft pick this year. This team still sucks, but we aren't sucking quite enough.
Some Knicks fans have been saying that we might as well tank this season for some kid named Okafor. Anyone know anything about him?

okafor...plays for Duke. Projects to be Anthony Davis Lite.

Gonna need a couple of years to develop but has great potential as an inside/transistion/defense guy with decent passing skills.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOdv6nhrn68
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Brehvolution on December 10, 2014, 11:17:01 AM
What's that say for the talent on your team that you need to tank so they can get some college kid?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 10, 2014, 11:18:13 AM
Quote from: Brehvolution on December 10, 2014, 11:17:01 AM
What's that say for the talent on your team that you need to tank so they can get some college kid?
d

To be fair dude has a shitload of talent and a great attitude. He's good for business on the court and off it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 10, 2014, 11:19:01 AM
I understand tanking for a once in a generation player. I don't understand tanking year after year for marginal talent rookies like is popular now. As a fan I wouldn't support it. Like no fucking way I would support what the 76ers have done. But to each his own I guess.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 10, 2014, 11:21:19 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 10, 2014, 11:19:01 AM
I understand tanking for a once in a generation player. I don't understand tanking year after year for marginal talent rookies like is popular now. As a fan I wouldn't support it. Like no fucking way I would support what the 76ers have done. But to each his own I guess.

Okafor is one of those ***** star talents though....but Philly already has that kid Embid and Noel...they dumb.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 10, 2014, 11:36:19 AM
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/12008328/new-york-knicks-carmelo-anthony-heart-team-discord-sources-say

I mean yeah they are crazy bad but did anyone expect anything different. They got rid of the one guy that played defense so the team went from bad to god awful on that side of the ball.

And the offense is talent deprived and utterly one dimensional.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 10, 2014, 11:45:16 AM
Melo has always been super overrated
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cheddahz on December 10, 2014, 11:50:34 AM
Carmelo gonna end up having a unloaded gun in his locker
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on December 10, 2014, 12:43:27 PM
at this point, anyone who has the 1st pick and doesn't pick Jahlil fucked up. straight up
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Brehvolution on December 10, 2014, 01:48:13 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on December 10, 2014, 11:45:16 AM
Melo has always been super overrated

The dude single handedly won a national title for Syracuse. So yeah, he'd be super overated in NY.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 10, 2014, 01:50:44 PM
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The New York Knicks were en route to their fifth straight loss last week against Brooklyn when a frustrated Tim Hardaway Jr. screamed angrily, "Get the rebound!"

Certain his second-year teammate was speaking to him, Carmelo Anthony approached Hardaway on the way down the court and used an expletive to ask Hardaway who in the world he thought he was talking to.

Anthony, according to sources, used another expletive in telling Hardaway he was going to beat him up when they got into the locker room after the game.
:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 10, 2014, 01:51:33 PM
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Earvin Magic Johnson        ✔ @MagicJohnson
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Last years draft there were no superstars. This year there are about 3-4 superstars in college basketball and we need one of them!
9:45 PM - 9 Dec 2014
It begins.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on December 10, 2014, 02:11:08 PM
value what Magic Johnson has to say brehs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 10, 2014, 02:13:03 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on December 10, 2014, 02:11:08 PM
value what Magic Johnson has to say brehs

(http://111.imagebam.com/download/xq54OezMeTKf7-Qr1td0Iw/37065/370646119/vince.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 10, 2014, 02:24:04 PM
Knicks fans....if you lose out on Parker this fella is the next Pippen IMO

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OYrO1DV1q8A
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 10, 2014, 04:08:22 PM
Quote from: Beezy on December 10, 2014, 11:01:40 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on December 10, 2014, 03:33:00 AM
Not really liking our chance of keeping our draft pick this year. This team still sucks, but we aren't sucking quite enough.
Some Knicks fans have been saying that we might as well tank this season for some kid named Okafor. Anyone know anything about him?

Duke freshman, big man, amazing hands. He has played well all season and seems like the real deal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 10, 2014, 09:04:41 PM
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ESPN SA
‏@ESPN_SA
Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobli, Kawhi Leonard and Patty Mills are all OUT for tonight's game

If the knicks lose this...
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on December 10, 2014, 09:47:08 PM
The Lakers are horrible and the Clippers are good, what bizarro world am I living in?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 10, 2014, 09:50:00 PM
Quote from: ferrarimanf355 on December 10, 2014, 09:47:08 PM
The Lakers are horrible and the Clippers are good, what bizarro world am I living in?
The last five years?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 10, 2014, 10:35:05 PM
Knicks are down 22 in the 4th quarter although Carmelo didn't play apparently.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 10, 2014, 11:56:36 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 10, 2014, 10:35:05 PM
Knicks are down 22 in the 4th quarter although Carmelo didn't play apparently.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WGXhmz1bEfg
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 11, 2014, 12:04:54 AM
Niccas
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WU1F-73HQjk
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 11, 2014, 02:37:21 AM
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The Brooklyn Nets have agreed to send veteran small forward Andrei Kirilenko, a 2020 second-round draft pick and cash to the Philadelphia 76ers for second-year forward Brandon Davies,

...

Kirilenko is in the final year of a $3.3 million contract, and will be waived in Philadelphia once the deal is completed, sources said. Kirilenko would become a free agent, but it could still be several weeks – even months – before he's ready to sign a deal to play elsewhere this season, sources said.

KG was apparently strongly suggesting to reporters that this is the start of the rumored blow-up of the team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on December 11, 2014, 11:33:53 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2866696/The-moment-basketball-s-King-James-risked-spell-royal-sin-bin-NBA-star-LeBron-James-breaches-protocol-putting-arm-Kate-s-shoulder-post-match-meeting.html
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'Americans are much more tactile than we Brits and this is another example of an American being too touchy feely with British royalty. You’d have thought they’d have learned by now.'

 :rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Brehvolution on December 11, 2014, 01:08:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUxLs0QXQ0E
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 11, 2014, 01:33:05 PM
Cavs versus Thunder tonight on TNT.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 11, 2014, 01:36:09 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 11, 2014, 01:33:05 PM
Cavs versus Thunder tonight on TNT.

Lebron is gonna sit tonight (knee supposedly, my guess is just a day off)

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on December 11, 2014, 02:49:10 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 11, 2014, 01:36:09 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 11, 2014, 01:33:05 PM
Cavs versus Thunder tonight on TNT.

Lebron is gonna sit tonight (knee supposedly, my guess is just a day off)
Not confirmed. He's a game time decision.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 11, 2014, 02:50:06 PM
Quote from: Beezy on December 11, 2014, 02:49:10 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 11, 2014, 01:36:09 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 11, 2014, 01:33:05 PM
Cavs versus Thunder tonight on TNT.

Lebron is gonna sit tonight (knee supposedly, my guess is just a day off)
Not confirmed. He's a game time decision.

He is going to sit tonight.

 :beli
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on December 11, 2014, 02:51:55 PM
:goty
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 11, 2014, 02:58:45 PM
He should sit tonight, regardless of his knee. They've won enough recently. They just need to win enough to be a 2 seed.


We can all admire the gritty stylings of Dellavedova instead.


Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 11, 2014, 03:00:05 PM
They have enough talent they should put up a good fight anyway. Gives kryie and love a chance to show up big.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 11, 2014, 03:00:58 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 11, 2014, 03:00:05 PM
They have enough talent they should put up a good fight anyway. Gives kryie and love a chance to show up big.

Waiters probably is the one who needs to put in 15-20 tonight to stay competitive.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 11, 2014, 03:14:07 PM
My draftking lineup for today (50 dollar game) ...there are only two games on tonight OKC V Cleveland and Sac vs Hou

Thoughts guys?

50 grand salary cap:

PG: Kyrie Irving   $9,200
SG: Dion Waiters  $3,500
SF: Rudy Gay  $8,900
PF: D. Montiejunas  $5,400
C: Anderson Varejao  $5,000
G: M. Dellavedova  $3,000
F: Kevin Love   $9,300
Util: Reggie Evans  $5,000

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on December 11, 2014, 04:09:37 PM
I thought I was the only DFS player here. Can't really say because short slate days like today are... odd. Some nobody always ends up going off. I wouldn't play $50 on a day like today. But anyway...

Kyrie is generally much worse away than at home. No Bron really changes things up for the team though.

We all know about Kyrie's "defense". Bestbrook should be taking advantage of him all game. Plus PGs are better at home.

Center position is shit today. Might as well go for the cheapest option that gets consistent minutes.

DFS is extremely random. Just go with your gut regardless of what anyone says. Your lineup could workout great assuming that Bron sits. If he doesn't, I'd make a new one.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on December 11, 2014, 04:35:12 PM
The Heat are two games under .500, should I panic?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 11, 2014, 05:54:53 PM
Quote from: ferrarimanf355 on December 11, 2014, 04:35:12 PM
The Heat are two games under .500, should I panic?

Well panic would imply that they are under-performing. They are currently the 7th seed in the east. 6th or 7th is about where they belong. So they are performing about average versus expectations. Them falling outside of the playoffs is probably more accurate  to them under-performing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 11, 2014, 05:56:41 PM
And who didn't see this coming? Time to start throwing people under the bus like Kobe always does.

https://vine.co/v/O6hOL2IE3Zd

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Kobe Bryant returned to practice for the first time this month and called his teammates "soft" during a heated 5-on-5 scrimmage between the starters and reserves Thursday.

When practice was opened to the media, Bryant and Nick Young were already trading barbs during the scrimmage with Young telling Bryant, "Nobody in the world can guard me one-on-one," and Bryant telling Young, "You're going exactly where I want you to go."

Later Bryant said, "You mother-----s are soft like Charmin in this mother-----. God damn, is this the type of s--- that's going on in these practices? Now I see why we've lost 20 f-----ing games. We're soft like Charmin. We're soft like s---."

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/12016979/los-angeles-lakers-star-kobe-bryant-critical-teammates-heated-scrimmage


Top Voted comment on the page. Of course a kobe apologist.

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Kevin Miller ·  Top Commenter · Cleveland, Ohio
I'm glad Kobe is promoting a positive environment to encourage his teammates to succeed. It's clear this is what the Lakers need to steer back in the right direction.
Reply ·  · 56 · Edited · 33 minutes ago

And they wonder why nobody wants to play with him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 11, 2014, 05:57:23 PM
Quote from: ferrarimanf355 on December 11, 2014, 04:35:12 PM
The Heat are two games under .500, should I panic?
"i'm coming home" was when you should have panicked.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe equals 1 ply. Rest of Lakers equals 3 ply)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 11, 2014, 06:09:54 PM
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Max Rappaport
‏@MaxRappaport

Through 2020, #Sixers hold:
15: 2 1sts, 3 2nds
16: 1 1st, 2 2nds
17: 1 1st, 1 2nd
18: 1 1st, 4 2nds
19: 1 1st, 4 2nds
20: 1 1st, 2 2nds


 :snoop
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 11, 2014, 07:17:42 PM
Quote from: Beezy on December 11, 2014, 02:49:10 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 11, 2014, 01:36:09 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 11, 2014, 01:33:05 PM
Cavs versus Thunder tonight on TNT.

Lebron is gonna sit tonight (knee supposedly, my guess is just a day off)
Not confirmed. He's a game time decision.

http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=12017166

:beli
:beli
:beli
:beli
:beli :beli :beli
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe equals 1 ply. Rest of Lakers equal 3 ply)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 11, 2014, 08:30:01 PM
lol at that block on love.

Sometimes Kevin down low looks like he's moving in slow motion. I kinda prefer him just out on the perimeter and being a designated jump shooter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe equals 1 ply. Rest of Lakers equal 3 ply)
Post by: naff on December 11, 2014, 08:45:46 PM
This game's on blackout here  :comeon

Never had a game get blacked out before (I didn't even think it happened to international LP users), can you watch games delayed if they were blacked out live?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe equals 1 ply. Rest of Lakers equal 3 ply)
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 11, 2014, 08:54:32 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on December 11, 2014, 08:45:02 PM
Kobe shouldn't talk shit while shooting 39%.

He'd never talk anymore

:heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe equals 1 ply. Rest of Lakers equal 3 ply)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 11, 2014, 09:15:12 PM
Uh oh. Irving hurt.

Certainly gone for the game.

He could put pressure on it as he was helped off the court but I bet he's going to miss some games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe equals 1 ply. Rest of Lakers equal 3 ply)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 11, 2014, 09:35:16 PM
Nope...Irving says he's fine
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe equals 1 ply. Rest of Lakers equal 3 ply)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 11, 2014, 10:08:06 PM
Cavs down a lot going into the 4th. You see the problems magnified with Lebron gone. He is the only one who has the real ability to draw people in and dish. Kyrie basically just goes one on one and tries to score by comparison. He can be successful at it. But its not the same as when Lebron does it. Cavs not generating enough easy shot attempts for everybody.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe equals 1 ply. Rest of Lakers equal 3 ply)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 11, 2014, 10:09:44 PM
Wow Stoney no shit

"Team is bad when Lebron doesn't play"

Miami is the same way.  Decent players but not a great team
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe equals 1 ply. Rest of Lakers equal 3 ply)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 11, 2014, 10:14:29 PM
Calm down.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe equals 1 ply. Rest of Lakers equal 3 ply)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 11, 2014, 10:16:38 PM
Im just ribbin' you
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe equals 1 ply. Rest of Lakers equal 3 ply)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 11, 2014, 10:22:03 PM
It's a meaningless game. But its still a bit unfortunate to see them shoot 35% on offense with the amount of offensive talent they have. I don't think it matters probably with the composition of this team and with Lebron but its always interesting to see how talent either helps other talent or doesn't in some cases.

The more I see of Kyrie the more I think this idea that he needs to be a traditional point guard is misguided. He just doesn't have it in him. Which isn't a flaw per se. Just the kind of basketball player he is with his built in strengths and weaknesses.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe equals 1 ply. Rest of Lakers equal 3 ply)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 11, 2014, 10:27:23 PM
He is still the best PG Lebron has ever played with.  That's something I guess
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe equals 1 ply. Rest of Lakers equal 3 ply)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 11, 2014, 10:31:46 PM
Cavs :leon
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe equals 1 ply. Rest of Lakers equal 3 ply)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on December 11, 2014, 10:31:56 PM
cavs making a game out of it :leon
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe equals 1 ply. Rest of Lakers equal 3 ply)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 11, 2014, 10:33:07 PM
Cavs trying to make a late run. As poor as they played down by only 3 with 2 minutes left is something to at least salvage out of this game either way it goes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe equals 1 ply. Rest of Lakers equal 3 ply)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 11, 2014, 10:34:07 PM
This just screams "Dellavedova game winning three"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe equals 1 ply. Rest of Lakers equal 3 ply)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 11, 2014, 10:35:26 PM
Well nvm
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe equals 1 ply. Rest of Lakers equal 3 ply)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on December 12, 2014, 12:03:29 AM
Rudy Gay w/ 5 assists at the half. Easily his best season as a distributor so far, I don't think he's ever been this efficient
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe equals 1 ply. Rest of Lakers equal 3 ply)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 12, 2014, 09:07:53 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=14KfU4tj0wU
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe equals 1 ply. Rest of Lakers equal 3 ply)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 12, 2014, 09:11:44 AM
Kobe gonna Kobe, at this point why the fuck are we even making a big deal about it?

:yeshrug
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe equals 1 ply. Rest of Lakers equal 3 ply)
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 12, 2014, 10:25:26 AM
Cuz otherwise there'd be nothing to talk about with the Lakers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe equals 1 ply. Rest of Lakers equal 3 ply)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 12, 2014, 10:36:15 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on December 12, 2014, 10:25:26 AM
Cuz otherwise there'd be nothing to talk about with the Lakers.

They reap what they sow. Fuck them.

Boston is :trash , New York is :trash , and LA is :trash , yet the nba continues to thrive. Wonder what excuse those 3 fanbases will come up with now to try to convince us they need to be good for the betterment of the league?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe equals 1 ply. Rest of Lakers equal 3 ply)
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 12, 2014, 11:57:02 AM
One LA team is pretty good right now

:jawalrus
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe equals 1 ply. Rest of Lakers equal 3 ply)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 12, 2014, 12:12:46 PM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on December 12, 2014, 11:57:02 AM
One LA team is pretty good right now

:jawalrus

I love the fact the clippers are controlling LA. It's fantastic.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe equals 1 ply. Rest of Lakers equal 3 ply)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on December 12, 2014, 10:12:04 PM
Sooo the Pels are up 20 on Cleveland in the 4th, LeBron has 41 and Davis left the game in the 1st :mindfuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe equals 1 ply. Rest of Lakers equal 3 ply)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 13, 2014, 12:08:30 AM
Yeah. The Cavs defense is so bad. I think Love is far worse than I expected on that side of the ball. He's doesn't move sometimes on D at all.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe equals 1 ply. Rest of Lakers equal 3 ply)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 13, 2014, 12:17:34 AM
Nick Young just hit a stupid 3 point shot in ot against the spurs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe equals 1 ply. Rest of Lakers equal 3 ply)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 13, 2014, 12:22:13 AM
Kobe Bryant lit into his team so he could motivate them to beat the spurs.

(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/skip1.png)

 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on December 13, 2014, 12:24:26 AM
 :snoop
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 13, 2014, 12:39:37 AM
Losing to the Lakers is now the ultimate sign your team just didn't give a shit.


Quote from: Gregg Popovich
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4tk1HHCUAA6_6I.jpg)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJP3woXt7JU&feature=youtu.be&t=1m
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 13, 2014, 07:20:40 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfdrP7QX9PM
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 14, 2014, 12:50:11 AM
Don't bring your weak shit into Tyson Chandler's house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRZxuN-AD5s
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 15, 2014, 11:07:47 AM
I fucking knew this was going to happen.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12028590/charlotte-hornets-explore-lance-stephenson-trade

 :hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 15, 2014, 01:44:19 PM
Yeah you could kind of see that coming. Lance needs a place that has a bunch of strong leaders in the locker room. He also happened to fit in well in Indiana (even with all the turmoil) because of the makeup of that team. Put him in a lot of other situations with a lot more offensive freedom and he will fall back on his weaknesses.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 15, 2014, 01:45:06 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 15, 2014, 01:44:19 PM
Yeah you could kind of see that coming. Lance needs a place that has a bunch of strong leaders in the locker room. He also happened to fit in well in Indiana (even with all the turmoil) because of the makeup of that team. Put him in a lot of other situations with a lot more offensive freedom and he will fall back on his weaknesses.

Yup, he needs to go to a Portland or an Oklahoma City and be a third/fourth option or a premiere bench option for a contender.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cheddahz on December 15, 2014, 01:46:59 PM
Just trade Lance to the Knicks for JR Smith

I just want to see Lance and Carmelo get into a fight
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 15, 2014, 10:49:37 PM
Quote
MIAMI -- An already injury-riddled Heat team absorbed two significant blows Monday, with Josh McRoberts likely lost for the season to a right knee injury and All-Star center Chris Bosh sidelined indefinitely with a strained calf.

Heat coach Erik Spoelstra announced the status of both players after Monday's practice, a session in which the team had just eight players available in advance of Tuesday's game in Brooklyn. The Heat also could be without star guard Dwyane Wade, who missed Monday's practice with a stomach virus.

"Injuries are a part of this game -- how you respond to adversities, to things that are tough, that's what reveals your collective character as a group," Spoelstra said. "I told the guys there will be brighter days. It always usually evens out at the end. We're being hit pretty strong with the injury bug right now."

The Heat (11-13) are off to their worst start in Spoelstra's seven seasons as coach and now face the challenge of moving forward for the next several weeks with a severely depleted roster. McRoberts, one of the team's top free-agent additions this past summer after the departure of LeBron James, is scheduled for surgery to repair a torn meniscus within the next few days.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12033316/josh-mcroberts-miami-heat-miss-rest-season-torn-meniscus-chris-bosh-calf-indefinitely
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 16, 2014, 01:28:07 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on December 16, 2014, 01:25:26 AM
"We couldn't throw the ball into the ocean from a boat," said Kobe Bryant after shooting 8-26.

:heh

Meanwhile, LeBron and Love dominated tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 16, 2014, 09:24:19 AM
Lance to Miami.


Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 16, 2014, 09:28:35 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on December 16, 2014, 01:25:26 AM
"We couldn't throw the ball into the ocean from a boat," said Kobe Bryant after shooting 8-26.

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/2a/c6/bc/2ac6bcc02bfa6f441a00bac3dab500f1.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 16, 2014, 03:16:44 PM
http://deadspin.com/the-cavs-outlet-passes-are-a-damn-good-time-1671823765

 :jawalrus
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 17, 2014, 03:31:37 AM
Quote
Story going online now: ESPN sources say Bucks' Jabari Parker expected to miss rest of his rookie season with a suspected torn ACL

Fuck

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12040203/milwaukee-bucks-suspect-jabari-parker-lost-season-torn-acl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Jabari Parker done for the season)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 17, 2014, 09:40:43 AM
this season sucks  :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 17, 2014, 10:40:09 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 17, 2014, 03:31:37 AM
Quote
Story going online now: ESPN sources say Bucks' Jabari Parker expected to miss rest of his rookie season with a suspected torn ACL

Fuck

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12040203/milwaukee-bucks-suspect-jabari-parker-lost-season-torn-acl

 :snoop
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Jabari Parker done for the season)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 18, 2014, 10:50:53 AM
(https://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/2667786/dorisdribbles.0.gif)

Dorris got handles :leon

always liked her, you can tell she really likes her job, and basketball
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Jabari Parker done for the season)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 18, 2014, 10:51:51 AM
To be fair it's completely sped up.

(http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/2mi5v.gif)

Still the GOAT

:lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Jabari Parker done for the season)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 18, 2014, 11:00:24 AM
yea but you can tell she can dribble, not awkward at all.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Jabari Parker done for the season)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 18, 2014, 11:02:52 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 18, 2014, 11:00:24 AM
yea but you can tell she can dribble, not awkward at all.

Yeah, true. She clearly played ball in school.

I always liked her, my favorite female sports personality.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 18, 2014, 06:37:22 PM
Quote
Rondo-to-Mavs deal nearly finished

The Boston Celtics are in the process of finalizing a deal to send Rajon Rondo to the Dallas Mavericks, according to league sources.

Sources tell ESPN.com that the Celtics and the Mavericks have an agreement in principle to send the All-Star point guard to Dallas for Brandan Wright, Jae Crowder, Jameer Nelson and a future first- and second-round draft pick.

The possibility exists that other players will be added to the final deal, but Rondo to the Mavericks is expected to be completed by the end of the night.

A source indicated that a "deal is on course to happen tonight."

Rondo would join Dirk Nowitzki, Monta Ellis, Tyson Chandler and Chandler Parsons in a high-octane starting five.

Rondo is in the final year of his contract. Rondo has left little doubt in recent months that he intends to test the market as a free agent in July. However, sources say Dallas, amid growing concern about its point guard play and sensing the opportunity to acquire a topflight player it has coveted for some time, is confident it could win over Rondo for the long term.

Boston has the necessary trade exceptions to absorb all the salaries from Dallas while potentially generating a valuable $12.9 million trade exception (Rondo's 2014-15 salary) to help with future roster construction.

The Celtics were at the roster maximum of 15 before the trade and will need to part with additional bodies to absorb three players from Dallas.

The Mavericks were one of several teams to express interest in Rondo. The Celtics also had talked to teams such as the Sacramento Kings, New York Knicks, Los Angeles Lakers and Houston Rockets about a potential deal, according to sources.

Rondo is averaging 8.3 points and 10.8 assists this season, his ninth in the league.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12048931/rajon-rondo-trade-boston-celtics-dallas-mavericks-course-happen
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on December 18, 2014, 06:42:59 PM
:ohhh :ohhh :ohhh

Rondo, Monta, Parsons, Dirk, Chandler

:ohhh :ohhh


spoiler (click to show/hide)
I liked Crowder though :larry
[close]
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 18, 2014, 07:17:58 PM
That's a damn fine team
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 18, 2014, 07:43:50 PM
That trade certainly came out of nowhere, the local ESPN shows didn't even mention it as a possibility until earlier today.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 18, 2014, 08:38:33 PM
Quote
Adding to @ESPNSteinLine report on Rondo from yesterday. Sources tell ESPN the Lakers also offered Boston multiple picks & Nash for Rondo

 :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 19, 2014, 10:25:38 AM
Welp, now there are a ton of teams that scare me against the Cavs

1) Spurs
2) Thunder (Pending KD, poor guy)
3) Mavs
4) Grizzlies
5) GS
6) Chicago
7) Atlanta (don't sleep on them)
8) Portland
9) Fuuuuuucccccckkkkkkkkk'

I got a bad feeling about this season unless we pick up a decent C and Corey Brewer.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: Rman on December 19, 2014, 10:35:06 AM
East keeps making the West better with these trades lol.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 19, 2014, 10:36:38 AM
Quote from: Rman on December 19, 2014, 10:35:06 AM
East keeps making the West better with these trades lol.

 :brazilcry

Guess the Cav's talked to the Blazers about Wes Matthews and were promptly told to fuck off and go away.

:snoop
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: Brehvolution on December 19, 2014, 11:08:35 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/o6TArKb.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 19, 2014, 11:19:18 AM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on December 18, 2014, 06:42:59 PM
:ohhh :ohhh :ohhh

Rondo, Monta, Parsons, Dirk, Chandler

:ohhh :ohhh


spoiler (click to show/hide)
I liked Crowder though :larry
[close]

Dirk is the lowest paid out of those five.  :mindblown
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 19, 2014, 11:36:07 AM
Dirk plays for the love of the game, breh.  :uguu
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 19, 2014, 12:00:12 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on December 19, 2014, 11:47:12 AM
If only Kobe could say the same.

Every Lakers game, I find myself shocked that he just continues to shoot 30%. Every 6-22 night, I'm thinking "He's gonna pick it up soon and get back above 40% at least." But I'm coming around to the idea that this is just how things are going to play out. Dude's going to be a ball-hog who shoots under 40% for the next year and a half. At least when he was a ball-hog with a decent TS%, we could win games with his "heroics". In 2014, nope.

I got him as my utility on draftkings tonight. I hope he shoots it 45 goddamn times.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 19, 2014, 12:11:05 PM
I like this trade for Dallas. They lose some depth, but they finally get a point guard. They were a good team without one, but the West is just so stacked, they were never going to be able to seriously compete. They still may not be able to, but I think it's worth taking a shot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 19, 2014, 01:49:11 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on December 19, 2014, 12:11:05 PM
I like this trade for Dallas. They lose some depth, but they finally get a point guard. They were a good team without one, but the West is just so stacked, they were never going to be able to seriously compete. They still may not be able to, but I think it's worth taking a shot.

Rajon is a full on beast when he gives a fuck. Losing their backup C is going to hurt the mavs in the short term but I fear a fully motivated rondo.


Here's my draft kings squad for tonight, opinions welcome (50k salary cap)

Mike Conley-PG    Total beast this year  $8,100
Manu Ginobili-SG  Handling the ball while parker is out  $5,000
LeBron James-SF  Coming off a bad loss and he is PISSED 60+FP's on way $11,400
Nerlens Noel-PF  Starting and starting to produce  also needed a cheap option  $5,200
Kelly olynyk-C  Been beasting last 10 games. Probably will get more opportunities to shoot now  $4,900
Phil Pressey-G  Smart is hurting, Rondo gone, hoping for a cheap 20fp's   $3,000
Mike Miller-F    starting tonight, Lebron will hook his buddy up   $3,000
Kobe Bryant-Util  No negative points for shooting percentage $9,400

:yeshrug
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 19, 2014, 02:01:29 PM
I trust Carlisle to keep Rondo motivated. He's good at getting the most out of guys.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 19, 2014, 02:02:39 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on December 19, 2014, 02:01:29 PM
I trust Carlisle to keep Rondo motivated. He's good at getting the most out of guys.

Lot of veterans on the team. Rondo was at his best when he had Pierce and Garnett around.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 19, 2014, 02:08:09 PM
(https://espngrantland.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/lebron-is-a-bitch-tshirt-rondo.jpg?w=694)

:heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 19, 2014, 02:20:42 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on December 19, 2014, 11:47:12 AM
If only Kobe could say the same.

Every Lakers game, I find myself shocked that he just continues to shoot 30%. Every 6-22 night, I'm thinking "He's gonna pick it up soon and get back above 40% at least." But I'm coming around to the idea that this is just how things are going to play out. Dude's going to be a ball-hog who shoots under 40% for the next year and a half. At least when he was a ball-hog with a decent TS%, we could win games with his "heroics". In 2014, nope.

I don't know why you would be shocked at this, he's just not in his prime anymore. Age catches up to everyone, man, and he's got a lot of mileage on him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 19, 2014, 04:32:00 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 19, 2014, 10:25:38 AM
I got a bad feeling about this season unless we pick up a decent C and Corey Brewer.

Sorry breh

:heh

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--rockets-acquire-corey-brewer-from-timberwolves-194852845.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: Your Stalker on December 19, 2014, 10:24:56 PM
danny green (http://i.imgur.com/8PFKJIS.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: Your Stalker on December 19, 2014, 11:06:14 PM
noboy watching this blazers/spurs game?  :larry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 19, 2014, 11:08:00 PM
I was playing Halo. See it's in 3ot now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 20, 2014, 11:23:22 AM
Watched the 2nd OT.  Lillard apparently fucking daggered it for them.  Lillard gud, yo.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 20, 2014, 11:28:42 AM
Mike Miller :rejoice

lillard :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 20, 2014, 11:31:25 AM
Miller being productive is going to be huge for the Cavs – if the Cavs get Grizz Miller instead of gimped Miller, they will be be okay when their bench is out there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 20, 2014, 11:34:25 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on December 20, 2014, 11:31:25 AM
Miller being productive is going to be huge for the Cavs – if the Cavs get Grizz Miller instead of gimped Miller, they will be be okay when their bench is out there.

I think he's going to start for now. Marion will be in with waiters and thompson....and delly on the second unit. Hoping boston is gonna flip that C they got in the Rondo deal with Green for Waiters and Heywoods expiring deal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 20, 2014, 11:39:42 AM
I'm starting to lean towards keeping Waiters, honestly.  He's annoying and a chucker, but he's still in their top five in scoring, and I honestly don't know who would replace him...Miller, maybe?  I'm not sure.  The Cavs need deep scoring, they can't always have the big three score more than 20 each to win their games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 20, 2014, 11:42:23 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on December 20, 2014, 11:39:42 AM
I'm starting to lean towards keeping Waiters, honestly.  He's annoying and a chucker, but he's still in their top five in scoring, and I honestly don't know who would replace him...Miller, maybe?  I'm not sure.  The Cavs need deep scoring, they can't always have the big three score more than 20 each to win their games.

True but consider green is putting up almost 20 a game for Boston and Wright is a legit 5.

Hybrid lineup would be

Bron PG
Irving SG
Green SF
Love PF
Varefo C

and that bench could score and play defense enough to contend.

This is pure conjecture on my part tho.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 20, 2014, 11:44:44 AM
Delly
Miller
Marion
Thompson
Wright

That bench works.

I'm done now because if I dont stop I'm gonna call ainge myself lol.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 20, 2014, 11:48:45 AM
I don't see Boston calling it quits on Green, either.  Who the fuck do they pin their hopes on for the future, Brandon Bass?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 20, 2014, 11:50:53 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on December 20, 2014, 11:48:45 AM
I don't see Boston calling it quits on Green, either.  Who the fuck do they pin their hopes on for the future, Brandon Bass?

tank the season.

With Heywoods expiring and rondo delt they can throw money at a big name free agent and have a shot at Okafor. Heywood gives then enough alone with their current cap to max a guy or sign two tier A free agents.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 20, 2014, 11:56:08 AM
I mean, Ainge gonna Ainge I guess.  I'd take Green for sure.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: Beezy on December 20, 2014, 02:59:54 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 19, 2014, 01:49:11 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on December 19, 2014, 12:11:05 PM
I like this trade for Dallas. They lose some depth, but they finally get a point guard. They were a good team without one, but the West is just so stacked, they were never going to be able to seriously compete. They still may not be able to, but I think it's worth taking a shot.

Rajon is a full on beast when he gives a fuck. Losing their backup C is going to hurt the mavs in the short term but I fear a fully motivated rondo.


Here's my draft kings squad for tonight, opinions welcome (50k salary cap)

Mike Conley-PG    Total beast this year  $8,100
Manu Ginobili-SG  Handling the ball while parker is out  $5,000
LeBron James-SF  Coming off a bad loss and he is PISSED 60+FP's on way $11,400
Nerlens Noel-PF  Starting and starting to produce  also needed a cheap option  $5,200
Kelly olynyk-C  Been beasting last 10 games. Probably will get more opportunities to shoot now  $4,900
Phil Pressey-G  Smart is hurting, Rondo gone, hoping for a cheap 20fp's   $3,000
Mike Miller-F    starting tonight, Lebron will hook his buddy up   $3,000
Kobe Bryant-Util  No negative points for shooting percentage $9,400

:yeshrug

How did this lineup do? I mainly play on fanduel right now and last night you weren't likely to place if you completely avoided that Spurs/Blazers game. Also, how do you go about creating your lineups?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 20, 2014, 05:28:03 PM
I won 5.00 on a 2 dollar game....1,560/9000+

Yeah spurs game killed me...but getting miller cheap was helpful.

I go by matchups and injuries.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 20, 2014, 06:10:55 PM
So is that Draft Kings shit a scam or real?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 20, 2014, 06:13:41 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 20, 2014, 06:10:55 PM
So is that Draft Kings shit a scam or real?

Real. So far I've always been able to take out what I win with no issues. Its kinda addicting tho...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: Bacchus7 on December 20, 2014, 06:57:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSwvWThYvNg
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: Beezy on December 20, 2014, 07:07:08 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 20, 2014, 06:10:55 PM
So is that Draft Kings shit a scam or real?
None of these daily fantasy sports sites are scams.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 22, 2014, 04:54:39 AM
Kobe tonight. 25 points. 8 of 30 from the field. He is shooting 37% for the year.


This whole thing is just becoming deeply and truly embarrassing. He is end of career Allen Iverson at this point.

edit: I take that back. Looking at Iverson's career stats, even he didn't shoot this bad at the end.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Rondo to Dallas)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 22, 2014, 11:40:26 AM
Quote from: Beezy on December 20, 2014, 07:07:08 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 20, 2014, 06:10:55 PM
So is that Draft Kings shit a scam or real?
None of these daily fantasy sports sites are scams.

Got third place last night with the following squad!

POS   NAME   % DRAFT   GAME   SCORING   FPTS
 
PG   Mike Conley   20.0%   
MEM 91 CLE 105
Final
2 REB, 5 AST, 1 STL, 11 PTS   23fp

SG   Ben McLemore   3.3%   
LAL 101 SAC 108
Final
8 REB, 2 3PM, 1 AST, 1 STL, 5 TO, 23 PTS    35fp

SF   Rudy Gay   20.0%   
LAL 101 SAC 108
Final
3 REB, 3 3PM, 6 AST, 2 BLK, 1 STL, 3 TO, 24 PTS   42.75fp

PF   Nerlens Noel   20.0%   
PHI 96 ORL 88
Final
12 REB, 1 AST, 1 BLK, 1 STL, 3 TO, 13 PTS, 1 DDbl   33.5fp

C   Steven Adams   6.7%   
NO 101 OKC 99
Final
10 REB, 2 AST, 2 BLK, 2 STL, 4 TO, 12 PTS, 1 DDbl   35fp

G   Lou Williams   16.7%   
NY 108 TOR 118
Final
2 REB, 4 3PM, 1 AST, 1 STL, 22 PTS    30fp

F   C.J. Miles   10.0%   
IND 100 MIN 96
Final
6 REB, 4 3PM, 28 PTS   37.5fp

UTIL   Michael Carter-Williams   13.3%   
PHI 96 ORL 88
Final
4 REB, 1 3PM, 6 AST, 1 BLK, 1 STL, 6 TO, 21 PTS   36.5fp


TOTAL FANTASY POINTS: 273.25

:lawd

The only one who killed me was Conley and I was up in the air about starting him....I thought either he was going to carve up the Cavs without Z-Bo or he'd under perform...which he did. If I had went with anybody else I might have won it all (5,000 dollars, damnit)
Title: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on December 22, 2014, 12:19:11 PM
Pistons waive Josh Smith!

http://www.nba.com/pistons/news/detroit-pistons-waive-forward-josh-smith (http://www.nba.com/pistons/news/detroit-pistons-waive-forward-josh-smith)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 22, 2014, 12:21:05 PM
(http://nbcprobasketballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/josh-smith-basic.jpeg?w=402&h=375)

SVG :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on December 22, 2014, 12:28:02 PM
Now, plz play Kyle Singler less
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 22, 2014, 12:30:19 PM
Quote from: Hyoushi on December 22, 2014, 12:19:11 PM
Pistons waive Josh Smith!

http://www.nba.com/pistons/news/detroit-pistons-waive-forward-josh-smith (http://www.nba.com/pistons/news/detroit-pistons-waive-forward-josh-smith)

Worse player in the NBA...Stupid, Selfish, bad attitude, no defense, and only worries about his stats.

Also

46.8% from the free throw line

:beli


CLEVELAND DO NOT FUCKING SIGN HIM
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 22, 2014, 12:34:54 PM
Lakers should sign him. The fuckery of him out-shooting Kobe would be priceless.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 22, 2014, 12:36:52 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 22, 2014, 12:34:54 PM
Lakers should sign him. The fuckery of him out-shooting Kobe would be priceless.

 :kobeyuck

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QC6sXpOGCgs/VINc5_TbXRI/AAAAAAAAAnA/hTVlYMIk6hw/s1600/josh%2Bsmith%2Bbrick%2Blol.jpg)

vs

(http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/reality-what-kobe-sees.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 22, 2014, 12:56:32 PM
Quote from: Hyoushi on December 22, 2014, 12:19:11 PM
Pistons waive Josh Smith!

http://www.nba.com/pistons/news/detroit-pistons-waive-forward-josh-smith (http://www.nba.com/pistons/news/detroit-pistons-waive-forward-josh-smith)

I legit said wow.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Brehvolution on December 22, 2014, 12:57:50 PM
Merry Xmas Josh Smith
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 22, 2014, 02:29:19 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on December 22, 2014, 02:25:25 PM
If my first priority was maximizing the number of games the Lakers win, I would begin bringing Kobe off the bench in their very next game.

Ain't he being paid over 20 million a year to portray the kid everybody hates to play with during pick up games?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on December 22, 2014, 03:40:29 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 22, 2014, 12:56:32 PM
Quote from: Hyoushi on December 22, 2014, 12:19:11 PM
Pistons waive Josh Smith!

http://www.nba.com/pistons/news/detroit-pistons-waive-forward-josh-smith (http://www.nba.com/pistons/news/detroit-pistons-waive-forward-josh-smith)

I legit said wow.

So did Tom Gores, probably
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 22, 2014, 03:43:29 PM
The curse of Dumars remains. I wonder if he'll ever get another GM gig.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 22, 2014, 03:47:35 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 22, 2014, 03:43:29 PM
The curse of Dumars remains. I wonder if he'll ever get another GM gig.

I'm gonna guess he's going to fade away and take a smaller front office role that's out of the public eye. Great fucking guy, bad fucking GM.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 22, 2014, 03:49:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrRDzyORG5s

:whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 22, 2014, 04:47:47 PM
Kid has court knowledge... You can't teach that.

:phew indeed
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on December 22, 2014, 04:52:16 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 22, 2014, 03:49:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrRDzyORG5s

:whew

1:22  :whoo

probably missed the shot though (because of the cut) but quite nice
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 23, 2014, 09:21:53 AM
Heat trying to maneuver to get the poor man's Lebron James.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12070708/miami-heat-make-move-eye-landing-josh-smith
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 23, 2014, 09:31:03 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 23, 2014, 09:21:53 AM
Heat trying to maneuver to get the poor man's Lebron James.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12070708/miami-heat-make-move-eye-landing-josh-smith

More like an absolutely broke dude's Lebron James.

Draymond Green currently owns the poor man's Lebron James moniker.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6589/draymond-green

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 23, 2014, 12:38:18 PM
Vince!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TWDM79Xm0g


:tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Brehvolution on December 23, 2014, 12:53:30 PM
Vince is still playing? I thought he'd be on medicare by now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 23, 2014, 12:56:26 PM
Quote from: Brehvolution on December 23, 2014, 12:53:30 PM
Vince is still playing? I thought he'd be on medicare by now.

:beli

Last 5 games

13.6 points 2.8 rebounds 1.4 assists 1.2 steals in 25 minutes a game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Brehvolution on December 23, 2014, 01:49:15 PM
I remember when Vince was in college.  :anhuld
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 23, 2014, 01:52:18 PM
Quote from: Brehvolution on December 23, 2014, 01:49:15 PM
I remember when Vince was in college.  :anhuld

I was IN COLLEGE when Vince was in college

:tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cheddahz on December 23, 2014, 03:37:03 PM
Going to the Hornets game and actually watching them destroy the Nuggets was amazing last night (the racist dude behind me wasn't though and I was about to sock him)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 24, 2014, 01:08:24 AM
Kobe sits.

Lakers beat Warriors.

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 24, 2014, 01:43:14 AM
Breaking news....Anderson Varejao is hurt...again....out for season again.

:snoop
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 24, 2014, 01:44:20 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on December 24, 2014, 01:27:07 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 24, 2014, 01:08:24 AM
Kobe sits.

Lakers beat Warriors.

 :lol

Knew this would be your post before I even entered the thread. Laugh it up, figgurt.

 :umad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POS1qIMQOPI
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 24, 2014, 04:29:25 AM
Quote
As usual, Lakers guard Nick Young, who scored 15 points, was the most outspoken.

“Some guys just played like ‘Django Unchained' -- they were free tonight,” he said.

And what would Young tell Bryant?

“Pretty much going to have to tell Kobe to pass me the ball, pass us the ball,” Young said. “Tell him to take the backseat for a little bit. He can be ‘Driving Miss Daisy’ and I can be Miss Daisy and drive.”
oh my god
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on December 24, 2014, 05:29:07 AM
:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 24, 2014, 11:01:27 AM
Been hanging around Iggy too much.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 24, 2014, 01:43:17 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12076383/anderson-varejao-cleveland-cavaliers-torn-achilles

Official now after the tests.

That hurts a lot.

Also


Quote
Vincent Goodwill
‏@vgoodwill
Josh Smith to Houston per source
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on December 25, 2014, 03:46:20 PM
https://gfycat.com/FatTalkativeGalah
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 25, 2014, 07:43:20 PM
This is the second time during the game Mark Jackson has said. "Don't get it twisted".


 :comeon
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 25, 2014, 08:28:16 PM
Westbrook was awesome today.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 26, 2014, 11:53:27 AM
Watching Kevin Love continually not box out and get man-handled down low was a bit disconcerting.



Cavs feels like a team built to go on 22-4 runs. But not much else.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 26, 2014, 11:57:04 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on December 26, 2014, 11:53:27 AM
Watching Kevin Love continually not box out and get man-handled down low was a bit disconcerting.



Cavs feels like a team built to go on 22-4 runs. But not much else.

Agree, his effort on defense and even offense lately is pretty terrible.

I hate to believe the rumor that he was a stat stuffer on a terrible team but at this point I've got to say I'm starting to consider it.

It's easy to grab a ton of boards and shoot open threes against 3rd team bench warmers when your team is already down by 20 in the third quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 26, 2014, 12:03:01 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on December 26, 2014, 11:53:27 AM
Watching Kevin Love continually not box out and get man-handled down low was a bit disconcerting.



Cavs feels like a team built to go on 22-4 runs. But not much else.

His defense is far worse than I imagined. And they don't really use him correctly still on offense. That being said inconsistent defense is a hall mark of this team from pretty much everybody. Even Lebron only locks in on that side of the ball in the 4th quarter. They have problems. They have the potential to maybe get out of the east if they get hot but not good enough to match the best of the West currently.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 26, 2014, 12:05:07 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 26, 2014, 12:03:01 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on December 26, 2014, 11:53:27 AM
Watching Kevin Love continually not box out and get man-handled down low was a bit disconcerting.



Cavs feels like a team built to go on 22-4 runs. But not much else.

His defense is far worse than I imagined. That being said inconsistent defense is a hall mark of this team from pretty much everybody. Even Lebron only locks in on that side of the ball late in the 4th quarter. They have problems. They seem good to maybe get out of the east if they get hot but not good enough to match the best of the West.

At this point we would struggle in a best of 7 against Chicago or Atlanta in my opinion, we have no answer for their bigs. Hell currently I'm a little scared of a healthy Toronto and even Washington too.

:snoop

If we don't find some help inside and perhaps another perimeter defender I have a feeling we'll be bounced at the conference finals tops.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 26, 2014, 12:09:14 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 26, 2014, 12:05:07 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 26, 2014, 12:03:01 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on December 26, 2014, 11:53:27 AM
Watching Kevin Love continually not box out and get man-handled down low was a bit disconcerting.



Cavs feels like a team built to go on 22-4 runs. But not much else.

His defense is far worse than I imagined. That being said inconsistent defense is a hall mark of this team from pretty much everybody. Even Lebron only locks in on that side of the ball late in the 4th quarter. They have problems. They seem good to maybe get out of the east if they get hot but not good enough to match the best of the West.

At this point they would struggle in a best of 7 against Chicago or Atlanta in my opinion, they have no answer for their bigs. Hell currently I'm a little scared of a healthy Toronto and even Washington too.

:snoop

Agreed. They need a center now that Varejão has gone down. Brendan Haywood ain't gonna cut it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 26, 2014, 12:24:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KddnBXixIHI&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 26, 2014, 12:45:19 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 26, 2014, 12:09:14 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 26, 2014, 12:05:07 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 26, 2014, 12:03:01 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on December 26, 2014, 11:53:27 AM
Watching Kevin Love continually not box out and get man-handled down low was a bit disconcerting.



Cavs feels like a team built to go on 22-4 runs. But not much else.

His defense is far worse than I imagined. That being said inconsistent defense is a hall mark of this team from pretty much everybody. Even Lebron only locks in on that side of the ball late in the 4th quarter. They have problems. They seem good to maybe get out of the east if they get hot but not good enough to match the best of the West.

At this point they would struggle in a best of 7 against Chicago or Atlanta in my opinion, they have no answer for their bigs. Hell currently I'm a little scared of a healthy Toronto and even Washington too.

:snoop

Agreed. They need a center now that Varejão has gone down. Brendan Haywood ain't gonna cut it.

Locally the rumor is we're attempting to trade our first from another team (can't remember whom) and waiters/heywood expiring to the Celtics for Green and Branden Wright.

I'd be okay with that and ainge gets waiters and a lot of money/a pick.


***we can't trade our own #1 to the celtics fyi.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 26, 2014, 12:53:25 PM
I know Waiters drives them crazy because of his inconsistency and how he makes bonehead plays sometimes but I honestly kind of like him at least for his role. But that may be the price the Cavs have to pay to get enough balance for that team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 26, 2014, 12:55:21 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 26, 2014, 12:53:25 PM
I know Waiters drives them crazy because of his inconsistency and how he makes bonehead plays sometimes but I honestly kind of like him at least for his role. But that may be the price the Cavs have to pay to get enough balance for that team.

I'm iffy on waiters...some days he looks great and some days he doesn't. I pretty much chalk that up to the Lebron effect. Green effectively replaces waiters and is a better defender and Wright would be awesome for 20 minutes a game, tops I believe.

But as this is Cleveland what I am doing today is awaiting the result of the Kyrie injury last night with fingers crossed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 26, 2014, 01:28:28 PM
Really starting to think Bron won't win a ring anytime soon. That team just isn't built right.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 26, 2014, 01:29:25 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 26, 2014, 01:28:28 PM
Really starting to think Bron won't win a ring anytime soon. That team just isn't built right.

And he built it. Makes me wonder how much he needed Pat.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 26, 2014, 01:37:10 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on December 26, 2014, 01:35:53 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 26, 2014, 01:28:28 PM
Really starting to think Bron won't win a ring anytime soon. That team just isn't built right.

Two is enough. Isiah retired with two. Hakeem retired with two.

Enough for what? To be HoF? Sure. To be considered the best player ever? Get right the fuck out with that.

Unless you're going to tell me Isiah or Hakeem were better players then Bird, Johnson, MJ, or Bill? And if that is the case the GAF NBA thread is  this way ----------->


(both are better than kobe though)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 26, 2014, 01:39:07 PM
Honestly Hakeem would make Bill Russell and just about any big man look silly imo.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 26, 2014, 01:40:20 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 26, 2014, 01:39:07 PM
Honestly Hakeem would make Bill Russell and just about any big man look silly imo.

No doubt but he'll never be considered the best player ever.

Best 6'9" center of all time though.

And it's pretty unfair to compare him to Russell. Two vastly different eras bro. That's like saying Bo Jackson would fuck up Dick Butkus.

Prime Shaq eats Akeem for dinner tho

:yeshrug
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 26, 2014, 01:41:44 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on December 26, 2014, 01:40:19 PM
Enough for Bron.

2x NBA Champion is perfect for him.

I have a distinct feeling that's exactly what it's gonna be too. Unless he jumps on some championship contender the last few years of his career. Because as built now, Cav's ain't winning shit and he clearly has started the decline.

But to decline to 25  7 and 5 though? Damn.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 26, 2014, 01:51:14 PM
I'd imagine the Cavs will have another coach in the next year or two. Letting LeBron hire Mark Jackson would probably be a disaster; I like him but some of the stuff he says is just distinguished mentally-challenged, and I'm not sure he's a great coach or the coach the Cavs need.

This team just plays wrong, and I'm not sure anyone is there to challenge them. The Heat had three superstars, and while they coasted quite a bit there was Pat Riley in the front office more than willing to tell them what he expected. At the start of the season LeBron was playing very lazy - lots of turnovers, not getting back on defense if a call didn't go his way, etc. I'm going to assume his coach didn't say shit to him. Likewise with Love not playing hard, I just don't believe he's being challenged. LeBron might get in his face but honestly Love could probably say "what about your defense?" There just isn't any urgency or grit when compared to a team like Chicago.

Seems like LeBron planned everything perfect expect the actual basketball stuff. He can own Cleveland, he's probably above criticism...but the team just doesn't look good out there. Pat Riley is probably somewhere laughing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 26, 2014, 01:56:26 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 26, 2014, 01:51:14 PM
I'd imagine the Cavs will have another coach in the next year or two. Letting LeBron hire Mark Jackson would probably be a disaster; I like him but some of the stuff he says is just distinguished mentally-challenged, and I'm not sure he's a great coach or the coach the Cavs need.

This team just plays wrong, and I'm not sure anyone is there to challenge them. The Heat had three superstars, and while they coasted quite a bit there was Pat Riley in the front office more than willing to tell them what he expected. At the start of the season LeBron was playing very lazy - lots of turnovers, not getting back on defense if a call didn't go his way, etc. I'm going to assume his coach didn't say shit to him. Likewise with Love not playing hard, I just don't believe he's being challenged. LeBron might get in his face but honestly Love could probably say "what about your defense?" There just isn't any urgency or grit when compared to a team like Chicago.

Seems like LeBron planned everything perfect expect the actual basketball stuff. He can own Cleveland, he's probably above criticism...but the team just doesn't look good out there. Pat Riley is probably somewhere laughing.

Excellent post PD.

I honestly believe Lebron thought he COULD coast before the season started. I think he swung and missed on Kevin Love after Bosh clearly told him "I'm not leaving Miami." I believe if he had be able to bring Bosh here we would be doing much better than we are now. Perhaps +5 wins (if he is healthy)

Regardless, if we don't fix what's wrong we are going to be this generations version of Run TMC. Win 50 regular season games 110-101 and be fun as hell to watch and then get bounced in the playoffs by the first physical team we run into.

Meh, I hope this team needs what Jordan did. A good ass kicking in the playoffs to change the focus. Hiring a rookie coach was a terrible idea BTW.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 26, 2014, 02:03:07 PM
And for the record I firmly believe Love is fucking pissed about his stats. He seems like that type of guy from his interviews/looks on the floor.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 26, 2014, 11:28:20 PM
Quote
ORLANDO, Fla. -- LeBron James took over when the Cleveland Cavaliers needed a lift in the fourth quarter.

James had 29 points, eight assists and five rebounds, and Cleveland rallied to beat the Orlando Magic 98-89 on Friday night.

Kevin Love scored 22 points in three quarters and reserve Dion Waiters added 17 for Cleveland, which bounced back from a 101-91 loss at Miami on Christmas. Tristan Thompson grabbed 13 rebounds.

The Cavaliers played without point guard Kyrie Irving, who was sidelined by a bruised knee. Center Anderson Varejao also had surgery Friday to repair a torn left Achilles tendon and will miss the rest of the season.

Then coach David Blatt kept Love on the bench in the final period after he struggled to defend Magic center Nikola Vucevic.

"LeBron is the best player in the world. He does what he does and obviously we needed it," Blatt said. "What he did tonight was significant. It lifted us."

 :jawalrus
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 26, 2014, 11:42:48 PM
Also Josh Smith's first game with the Rockets tonight.

32 minutes. 9-21 (most field goal attempts on the team. 8 rebounds.

I think this will work out well for the Rockets honestly. To get Josh Smith at a bargain price is a good deal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 27, 2014, 02:28:22 PM
The fear is real.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 27, 2014, 03:01:52 PM
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/when-michael-jordan-was-36-he-was-unquestionably-the-best-player-in-the-nba-while-kobe-at-36.278854/

:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 27, 2014, 09:41:07 PM
LeBron is probably a better human being than either Jordan or Kobe. :heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 28, 2014, 06:03:30 PM
Cleveland down by 15....


to Detroit.


 :comeon

Lebron 4 of 17.  4 turnovers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 28, 2014, 06:48:48 PM
And this has to be the low point. They were missing Kyrie but to lose at home to the Pistons by 23. They also gave up a 15 point lead.

Lebron 5 of 19. 7 turnovers.

Team shoots 38% from the field.


They barely beat the magic the last game. Team seems to be fundamentally struggling on offense and defense at the moment.


Quote
The Cavaliers are now 18-12. Since comparison is always made, '10-11 Heat lost 12th game on Jan. 15, 2011. That dropped them to 30-12.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 28, 2014, 07:22:09 PM
Cavs suck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 28, 2014, 10:15:14 PM
https://vine.co/v/OH9qpxT1nIK

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 30, 2014, 10:08:18 AM
Cavs are getting hammered by local radio.

To summarize:

Lebron isn't giving enough effort on defense
Love is about as able to protect a rim as a revolving door
Blatt lost the team already
Kyrie is the only one giving max effort
Waiters needs to be traded


Ugh.

I swear Windy is all butthurt because Lebron dumped him in Miami and now he has no "insider viewpoints" (he took a major L on Lebrons coming home)  and is now going to make a career out of starting shit on a daily basis.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 31, 2014, 05:31:06 AM
A slam dunk: https://vine.co/v/OwOjjYi0KJb
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 31, 2014, 02:18:04 PM
I simply refuse to believe that LeBron is threatening to leave if things don't go his way, that's just stupid. There was too much money and long term shit invested in him "coming home." To leave again would permanently kill his reputation.

The team needs a defensive minded coach and better big men. LeBron needs to play defense, Love needs to at least try.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 31, 2014, 02:27:10 PM
I don't believe anything that is currently being written. It's all just an attempt to capitalize off the under performance. You are even seeing a return to the stupid articles questioning people's heart/desires. Whenever sports writing reaches that level, you know its the bottom of the barrel.

That being said, the Cavs have a number of decent size problems. They are playing the big three too many minutes which is leading to breakdowns. The offense still doesn't flow right. Princeton offense my ass. It's either Lebron running the pg or kyrie going one on one. The defense is the most well known problem and its obvious.

I think Lebron's effort level has been fine since the early part of the season for the most part when he was noticeably not going full early in games. But the team just isn't working well as a unit for lots of different reasons at the moment.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 31, 2014, 02:28:21 PM
We're 31 games in, at this point I'm starting to believe the hype, guys.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 31, 2014, 02:31:16 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 31, 2014, 02:28:21 PM
We're 31 games in, at this point I'm starting to believe the hype, guys.

They are definitely underperforming. The more interesting questions are why and how do they fix it, if they can.

Or is it just going to be a thing where they hope they get hot in the playoffs and their talent will over-ride.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 31, 2014, 02:32:57 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 31, 2014, 02:31:16 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 31, 2014, 02:28:21 PM
We're 31 games in, at this point I'm starting to believe the hype, guys.

They are definitely underperforming. The more interesting questions are why and how do they fix it, if they can.

Or is it just going to be a thing where they hope they get hot in the playoffs and their talent will over-ride.

Two issues

1) We aren't big enough to win in the playoffs, talent or not Tristan Thompson and David Love aren't defending any front courts anytime soon.
Unless we make a move and bolster our 4 and 5 we're probably not getting out of the ECF.

2) I still don't like Waiters on this team and his value is dropping on a daily basis.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 31, 2014, 02:40:33 PM
One of my disappointment is how reliant the team is on Lebron running the point and initiating higher percentage scoring opportunities. I thought the whole point of this was that he could go back to being a dynamic wing player doing wing things but instead the offense is almost completely reliant on him setting up stuff. Kyrie can handle the ball and be a dynamic one on one player but he doesn't create scoring opportunities for the rest of the squad in a way I envisioned. The offense looks less dynamic than the Miami offense with the big three currently which I never would have envisioned.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 31, 2014, 02:42:21 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 31, 2014, 02:40:33 PM
One of my disappointment is how reliant the team is on Lebron running the point and initiating higher percentage scoring opportunities. I thought the whole point of this was that he could go back to being a dynamic wing player doing wing things but instead the offense is almost completely reliant on him setting up stuff. Kyrie can handle the ball and be a dynamic one one one player but he doesn't create scoring opportunities for the rest of the squad in a way I envisioned. The offense looks less dynamic than the Miami offense with the big three currently which I never would have envisioned.

I have said this before....If Lebron had convinced Bosh to come to Cleveland this time around (I firmly believe he tried) and we had not gotten love we would be 5 or more wins better (if bosh was healthy)

I believe our core problem is Kyrie and Love want to shoot...a lot...and there are only so many balls to go around.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 31, 2014, 02:48:53 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 31, 2014, 02:42:21 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 31, 2014, 02:40:33 PM
One of my disappointment is how reliant the team is on Lebron running the point and initiating higher percentage scoring opportunities. I thought the whole point of this was that he could go back to being a dynamic wing player doing wing things but instead the offense is almost completely reliant on him setting up stuff. Kyrie can handle the ball and be a dynamic one one one player but he doesn't create scoring opportunities for the rest of the squad in a way I envisioned. The offense looks less dynamic than the Miami offense with the big three currently which I never would have envisioned.

I have said this before....If Lebron had convinced Bosh to come to Cleveland this time around (I firmly believe he tried) and we had not gotten love we would be 5 or more wins better (if bosh was healthy)

I believe our core problem is Kyrie and Love want to shoot...a lot...and there are only so many balls to go around.

I fully thought that Love was going to be a better fit myself. Not because I thought Love necessarily was going to be so much better statistically than Bosh but because he was a true shooter who could stretch the floor in a way that Bosh wasn't really capable of even when he converted to being that type of player.

I didn't realize A.) How poor love is on defense. B.) And what a hard time they would have integrating him in the offense. In my brain it seems so simple to have Kevin Love out beyond the perimteter punishing teams or rolling to the basket, but its just not working out like I expected. You could tell Lebron and Kyrie felt comfortable playing the pick and roll game with Varejao but don't feel comfortable in the same way with Love yet.

Meh. Enough with Cavs evaluations. I'll wait to the All-Star game to say any more. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 31, 2014, 02:50:04 PM
Yup let's move on.

Draymond Green is most improved player this year. I finally got a chance to watch him play a few days ago. He is going to be a great player for years to come. If you get a chance peep him out.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/6589/draymond-green
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 31, 2014, 02:53:06 PM
I need to watch more of the Hawks. I have no idea how they are doing what they are doing outside of generic "Spurs" system talk.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 31, 2014, 02:54:44 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 31, 2014, 02:53:06 PM
I need to watch more of the Hawks. I have no idea how they are doing what they are doing outside of generic "Spurs" system talk.

Teague is becoming a top 10 PG
Horford is a decent center but starting to wear down.
Milsap is duncan light...a stat stuffer
Korver is still Korver

Yeah, they are doing well. Gotta watch Horford's health though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 31, 2014, 03:05:37 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 31, 2014, 02:53:06 PM
I need to watch more of the Hawks. I have no idea how they are doing what they are doing outside of generic "Spurs" system talk.

:rejoice Threezus :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 31, 2014, 03:17:53 PM
http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/2qxt0i/listen_to_this_link_carefully_did_lebron_say_to/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reSUCZZZZz4

CALL SKIP BAYLESS
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 01, 2015, 03:36:02 AM
Not shocked...that's his boy and Lebron has always needed affirmation.

Make a story about brotalk brehs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 01, 2015, 11:49:35 AM
I like Bron's explanation. If he was gonna say that shit he'd do it at Wade's house, not in front of cameras. I dot even want to think about how horribly my bro talk could be misconstrued if examined out of context.

 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 01, 2015, 04:41:45 PM
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The struggling Cleveland Cavaliers won't be able to lean on LeBron James in the near future.

James is expected to miss two weeks after tests revealed injuries to the superstar's left knee and lower back.

The Cavaliers announced in a release Thursday that multiple examinations, including an MRI, showed that James has knee and back strains. The tests were performed Wednesday before the Cavs lost their third straight game, a 96-80 loss to the Milwaukee Bucks.

James, who has missed Cleveland's past two games, will undergo several forms of treatment, including anti-inflammatories, the team said. The four-time MVP has never missed more than five straight games in his professional career; if the two-week timetable holds up, his absence could reach 10 games or more.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lebron out 2 weeks)
Post by: T-Short on January 03, 2015, 12:25:03 PM
https://vine.co/v/OdKhhbZPMuz (https://vine.co/v/OdKhhbZPMuz)

 :larry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lebron out 2 weeks)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 03, 2015, 12:34:08 PM
Pistons are playing well without Osh Smith, what a surprise!

Seems like Drummond is getting the ball more. Didn't score much at all last night but he'll be fine. Get him the ball. Man if this team had a more traditional but deadly PG like Rondo...

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lebron out 2 weeks)
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 03, 2015, 01:32:51 PM
Quote from: Hyoushi on January 03, 2015, 12:25:03 PM
https://vine.co/v/OdKhhbZPMuz (https://vine.co/v/OdKhhbZPMuz)

 :larry

:heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lebron out 2 weeks)
Post by: Cheddahz on January 03, 2015, 01:45:47 PM
Quote from: Hyoushi on January 03, 2015, 12:25:03 PM
https://vine.co/v/OdKhhbZPMuz (https://vine.co/v/OdKhhbZPMuz)

 :larry
No wonder Carmelo wants to sit out for the rest of the year
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: dkdk on January 03, 2015, 07:50:32 PM
(http://media.giphy.com/media/yoJC2jSQtoI9iqy71m/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on January 03, 2015, 08:00:00 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/buHMjjM.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 03, 2015, 08:05:17 PM
:rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 05, 2015, 08:27:24 PM
Cave are trading Waiters and random scrubs with OKC and NYC and getting back Shumpert and JR Smith? ,I have a bad feeling Lebron is out for a while....sigh...
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 05, 2015, 08:33:22 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on January 05, 2015, 08:27:24 PM
getting back Shumpert and JR Smith

 :ufup

I'm almost of the opinion that this season is done for Cleveland.

Other than getting 2 for 1 in the deal it doesn't really seem like anything great. I'd rather have Waiters honestly than JR smith but then I absolutely detest the way JR plays.  They both are incredibly flawed. Shumpert at least plays defense I guess.

Nothing here that helps at the center position which is arguably the bigger problem also.

Just feels like a panic trade that doesn't actually move the needle in any significant way. Cleveland made a number of these type trades when Lebron was there the first time and ended up fucking up the roster.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: dkdk on January 05, 2015, 08:44:14 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on January 05, 2015, 08:27:24 PM
Cave are trading Waiters and random scrubs with OKC and NYC and getting back Shumpert and JR Smith? ,I have a bad feeling Lebron is out for a while....sigh...

he may as well take a few months off cause they not winning shit this year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 05, 2015, 09:12:19 PM
Watching Sixers versus Cavs.

Cavs honestly don't look much better than the sixers with kyrie and lebron gone.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 05, 2015, 09:29:00 PM
Cavs lose to the 76ers.

The 76ers haven't won at home all year until tonight.

 :comeon

Blatt

 :goty2
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 05, 2015, 09:35:50 PM
With Dion gone who are the cavs going to blame when they still underperform?

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 05, 2015, 10:23:43 PM
The Pistons have doubled their wins on the season over the last five games.  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 05, 2015, 10:24:21 PM
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Sources told ESPN the [Knicks] will also waive center Samuel Dalembert, a move that will save $3.8 million.
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Sources indicate Cavs plan to use first-round pick they receive from Thunder as part of different trade for big man.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 05, 2015, 11:19:04 PM
https://vine.co/v/OdEiDmtg00b
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on January 06, 2015, 05:48:12 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on January 05, 2015, 08:27:24 PM
Cave are trading Waiters and random scrubs with OKC and NYC and getting back Shumpert and JR Smith? ,I have a bad feeling Lebron is out for a while....sigh...

Wait, isn't Shumpert pretty well liked by Knicks fans? What do they have left to cheer for at this point? :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 06, 2015, 07:39:23 AM
At this point it better be a better center then fucking Mozgov....2 first rounders, A DPE, and Haywood's 10 mil better get us somebody decent.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on January 06, 2015, 09:23:31 AM
Quote from: Hyoushi on January 06, 2015, 05:48:12 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on January 05, 2015, 08:27:24 PM
Cave are trading Waiters and random scrubs with OKC and NYC and getting back Shumpert and JR Smith? ,I have a bad feeling Lebron is out for a while....sigh...

Wait, isn't Shumpert pretty well liked by Knicks fans? What do they have left to cheer for at this point? :lol
Well liked, but injury prone and hasn't developed at all really since we drafted him. I hope he can do better in Cleveland/somewhere else and keeps smashin' Teyana Taylor.

Wondering if Phil Jackson will really be able to find any takers for Amare or Bargnani's expiring contracts before the Feb. deadline. Might as well finish cleaning house. Our season is already over.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 06, 2015, 11:41:57 AM
I don't think anyone has a trade exception big enough to take Amare's contract or wouldn't send back something worse. He should think about Boozering his way to 20/10. Might sucker some team like the Kings into thinking his knees aren't completely shot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 06, 2015, 12:15:44 PM
I guess the Cavs are hoping Dalembert clears waivers because they couldn't fit him into the trade salary wise.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on January 06, 2015, 02:41:22 PM
Cavs want him? :holeup
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 06, 2015, 03:26:14 PM
They need ANY center who can play. They currently have zero rim protection.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 06, 2015, 03:40:04 PM
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nba-trade-cleveland-cavalier-new-york-knicks-oklahoma-city-thunder/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 07, 2015, 11:08:52 AM
Sooo....how 'bout those Pistons now?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on January 07, 2015, 11:42:12 AM
No way Jennings keeps this up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on January 07, 2015, 01:49:12 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 07, 2015, 11:08:52 AM
Sooo....how 'bout those Pistons now?

The streak ends tonight! Incidentally, both teams have won 6 in a row...
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 07, 2015, 03:56:23 PM
Marc Stein        ✔ @ESPNSteinLine
Follow
Deal sending Timofey Mozgov from Denver to Cleveland, I'm told, is on course to be completed as soon as today

Adrian Wojnarowski        ✔ @WojYahooNBA
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Cleveland has agreed to a deal in principle to acquire Denver center Timofey Mogzgov for two first-round picks, league source tells Yahoo.

(http://defpenradio.com/wp-content//2014/04/mozgov-93pts1.png)

(http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Mozgov.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 07, 2015, 07:56:29 PM
High price to pay for that dude. Cavs have pretty much lost all flexibility now so its all in.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 07, 2015, 08:18:56 PM
I like the pickup personally
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 07, 2015, 10:35:27 PM
Pistons up 14 on Dallas with four minutes to go  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on January 07, 2015, 10:43:07 PM
So did Josh Smith leaving cause Brandon Jennings to unbust?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 07, 2015, 10:51:55 PM
Jennings actually has been pretty good for the Pistons, he was slumping right before Smith got dumped, but before that had been playing pretty well.

Jodie Meeks playing and DJ Augustin becoming Andre's buddy are two key factors because Caron Butler is a waste of space and Jennings doesn't have the patience for a spontaneous no-set alley-oop to Drummond like Bynum mastered and Augustin has recently picked up. Bonus is that Augustin is actually a scoring threat. That "play" has been huge for the Pistons bench (and in general) the last three years because it lets Andre stand outside on offense but still have to be watched. (Unlike say, Ben Wallace.)

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If he could take just one dribble and/or pass while in motion.  :gladbron :lawd :rejoice :whew
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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 07, 2015, 11:22:11 PM
JR smith. 18 minutes. 0-5. 0-4 3 point field goals.

Good old JR!

Cavs are garbage without Lebron. Which is just embarrassing because they weren't exactly world beaters when he was there.


They are the new Brooklyn Nets.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2015, 12:06:53 AM
Quote from: Your Stalker on January 07, 2015, 10:43:07 PM
So did Osh Smith leaving cause Brandon Jennings to unbust?

FTFY.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on January 08, 2015, 12:10:02 AM
Jodie Meeks mention

obligatory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWEh8Um-bvQ

remember when this program was irrelevant? :aah
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 08, 2015, 12:11:56 AM
lmao at some of that shoddy zone tho
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on January 08, 2015, 02:04:05 AM
https://vine.co/v/OpimArT7Jeg :lol

 :fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 08, 2015, 08:37:11 AM
Kyrie
Shump
Lebron
Love
Mozgov

JR Smith
Marion
Miller
Thompson
Delladova
(whoever we sign for vet min Okafor?)

(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119363/3836964-4675887963-LL)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 08, 2015, 11:19:28 AM
That definitely seems like a blockbuster 40 win team
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2015, 11:31:27 AM
Bron might win one more title but not this year, probably not next year either. wow.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 08, 2015, 11:50:56 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2015, 11:31:27 AM
Bron might win one more title but not this year, probably not next year either. wow.

We gotta see what happens with the Salary cap. Haywood's expiring next year can get us 11.5 million + whatever 2nd round picks we can trade off.

I doubt we'll resign thompson as he's probably going to get 4/50 somewhere (Lebron's management team is the devil)

If I had my druthers we'd let love leave and get Milsap, who I believe fits much better with Kyrie and Lebron but it won't happen.

Kyrie
Shumpert
Lebron
Milsap
Mozgov


:lawd

But back to real life

http://deadspin.com/j-r-smiths-debut-as-a-cavalier-was-only-fun-for-j-r-s-1678252589

:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 08, 2015, 02:26:27 PM
https://vine.co/v/OpOenV0gmt3

 :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on January 08, 2015, 03:56:44 PM
http://allball.blogs.nba.com/2015/01/07/the-nick-young-and-jeremy-lin-show/ (http://allball.blogs.nba.com/2015/01/07/the-nick-young-and-jeremy-lin-show/)

Quote
Jeremy Lin was talking about Harvard. Nick Young said USC is the best school. Lin quipped, "Yeah, I heard they do your homework for you."

Quote
Young on Kobe: "He has no filter. He just talks and talks and talks."
Lin: "That's ironic."
Young: "What?"
Lin: "Nothing. Keep going."

:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 08, 2015, 04:15:29 PM
Nick Young has definitely made this season 1000x more entertaining than it otherwise would have been.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 08, 2015, 05:28:19 PM
Say what you will about Lin's play on the court – dude is certifiably a chemistry magnet.  Dude brings out gold in so many of his teammates.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 08, 2015, 05:48:50 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on January 08, 2015, 11:50:56 AM
We gotta see what happens with the Salary cap. Haywood's expiring next year can get us 11.5 million + whatever 2nd round picks we can trade off.

I doubt we'll resign thompson as he's probably going to get 4/50 somewhere (Lebron's management team is the devil)

If I had my druthers we'd let love leave and get Milsap, who I believe fits much better with Kyrie and Lebron but it won't happen.

Kyrie
Shumpert
Lebron
Milsap
Mozgov


:lawd
The Cavs have no second round picks left. They dealt them all out to 2019 and the conditions on the others are unlikely to have the Cavs wind up with them.

The Cavs aren't signing anyone if LeBron doesn't opt out and resign for less immediately plus Love opting out and leaving. And Haywood's contract becomes guaranteed on August 1st. Tristian Thompson is one of LeBron's friends apparently plus they have the same agent.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 08, 2015, 06:14:55 PM
They gotta keep Thompson.  I think it's time to ax Andy, dude is a walking leg tear.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 08, 2015, 09:45:26 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 08, 2015, 05:48:50 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on January 08, 2015, 11:50:56 AM
We gotta see what happens with the Salary cap. Haywood's expiring next year can get us 11.5 million + whatever 2nd round picks we can trade off.

I doubt we'll resign thompson as he's probably going to get 4/50 somewhere (Lebron's management team is the devil)

If I had my druthers we'd let love leave and get Milsap, who I believe fits much better with Kyrie and Lebron but it won't happen. Ø

Kyrie
Shumpert
Lebron
Milsap
Mozgov


:lawd
The Cavs have no second round picks left. They dealt them all out to 2019 and the conditions on the others are unlikely to have the Cavs wind up with them.

The Cavs aren't signing anyone if LeBron doesn't opt out and resign for less immediately plus Love opting out and leaving. And Haywood's contract becomes guaranteed on August 1st. Tristian Thompson is one of LeBron's friends apparently plus they have the same agent.


http://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/DraftTrades/Future/Cavaliers.htm

I understand that the NBA is confusing and all but you're talking out of your ass right now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 08, 2015, 10:21:04 PM
Yes, as that source makes clear, the Cavaliers have traded all their second round picks out to 2019*.

As for the ones they've "acquired" from other teams. See all those "protected top 55" clauses? That means the Cavs aren't getting 'em except potentially the Clippers pick in 2016.

EDIT: *To make it clearer, 2015 to Jazz, 2016 to Celtics, 2017 to Celtics, 2018 to Sixers, 2019 to Knicks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 08, 2015, 10:43:01 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 08, 2015, 10:21:04 PM
Yes, as that source makes clear, the Cavaliers have traded all their second round picks out to 2019*.

As for the ones they've "acquired" from other teams. See all those "protected top 55" clauses? That means the Cavs aren't getting 'em except potentially the Clippers pick in 2016.

EDIT: *To make it clearer, 2015 to Jazz, 2016 to Celtics, 2017 to Celtics, 2018 to Sixers, 2019 to Knicks.

They'll get 17 and 18
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 08, 2015, 10:48:41 PM
The Celtics/Kings/Sixers are going to be one of the top five teams in the league in two years? Okay.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 09, 2015, 07:07:33 PM
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The Boston Celtics have sent recently acquired big man Brandan Wright to Phoenix for a protected draft pick that initially belonged to the Minnesota Timberwolves, the Suns announced Friday.

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Tayshaun Prince and protected future first-round pick to Boston -- most likely not going to Celts before 2019 -- proves enough to land Jeff Green

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@WojYahooNBA If Green deal is finalized tonight, Boston GM Danny Ainge will potentially have 11 first-round picks over the next four years.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 09, 2015, 07:13:03 PM
https://vine.co/v/OpWnEmnIKBi

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B68QTBhIIAENqij.jpg)

Quote
Pistons are coming out to Pink Floyd's "The Wall" tonight. Stan: "It's strange to me."
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 09, 2015, 09:05:06 PM
 :lol

George Blaha tha GOAT
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 09, 2015, 09:17:29 PM
Mr. Van Gundy, tear down this wall!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 09, 2015, 10:43:41 PM
Think I'll watch the Warriors kick the shit out of the Cavs.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 10, 2015, 01:09:27 AM
That went about as expected. The Warriors were in control pretty much from the get go.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 10, 2015, 01:39:38 AM
Hawks seem to be for real

:leon
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 10, 2015, 04:55:11 AM
You are a very sad, petty man.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 10, 2015, 09:25:04 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on January 10, 2015, 04:45:56 AM
This Cavs season makes me realize that we were just one Spurs rebound away from LeBron being held to one title, and one Spurs rebound and a full lockout season away from LeBron going title-less.

Kobe was just one rape charge from being held to 3 titles, so it balances out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 10, 2015, 01:39:14 PM
Lebron has never had a truly great coach.  The dude can only do so much.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 10, 2015, 02:13:07 PM
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Phil Jackson: Blame me for disaster

NEW YORK -- Phil Jackson delivered a message to New York Knicks fans on Saturday afternoon: Blame me for the team's disastrous season.

"This is a mea culpa. I take responsibility for it," Jackson said

Jackson reiterated on Saturday that he thought the Knicks would be a playoff team this season. Instead, things have gone horribly wrong for Jackson and the Knicks.

New York entered Saturday's game against the Charlotte Hornets with a 5-34 record, the worst in the NBA. The club took the court Saturday with a franchise-high 14-game losing streak and having lost 24 of 25.

So instead of trying to chase a playoff berth, Jackson changed course on Monday and executed a trade that essentially pulled the plug on the season. He sent Iman Shumpert and J.R Smith to Cleveland in a three-team trade that netted the Knicks two trade exceptions and a 2019 second-round pick.

"There was something going on there that didn't click toward making winning necessary or a possibility for us," Jackson said.

He added that he didn't want fans to blame first-year head coach Derek Fisher for the Knicks' struggles.

"The fans, I want them to leave Derek alone in this regard. He's doing the best job possible. It's not his fault," Jackson said.

The president will now try to rebuild the Knicks through free agency and the draft. The Knicks expect to have a top pick in June's draft and may have upwards of $25 million to spend in free agency.

Jackson reiterated on Saturday that he is concerned that the team's record will make it an unattractive destination for free agents.

"We're all worried about the fact that money is not going to just be able to buy you necessary talent. You're going to have to have places where people want to come and play," said Jackson, who signed a five-year contract worth a reported $60 million last March to serve as team president. "But I do think that New York situation holds a high regard in players and agents that have contacted us. We have no lack of agents that have contacted us for their players. We still think that we have a really good chance to develop a team."

Jackson also said that "no one should be surprised" if the Knicks continue to reshape the roster through trades prior to the February trade deadline.

Lastly, he mentioned that surgery is a possibility for injured star Carmelo Anthony. Anthony has missed seven straight games with soreness in his left knee.

"I think for Melo the last resort is surgery, as it should be for anybody," Jackson said. "Surgery is basically to repair and to correct. He's got a situation that could exacerbate, could get difficult, could be better with the surgery, but he wants to really try it again and see where he's going to be at. The next period of time we'll assess that and we'll sit down and talk to him about it. I know the All-Star game (at Madison Square Garden) is important for him down the road in February. I know this trip to London (for the Knicks game against the Milwaukee Bucks on Jan .15) will be important for him to play. He sees possibilities of helping the team get back and be better."
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on January 10, 2015, 02:58:44 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on January 10, 2015, 04:45:56 AM
It's like realizing you had a chance to date Nicole Kidman or something. What could have been.
this shit just keeps coming full circle :beli
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 10, 2015, 03:08:52 PM
He's not too far off. I'm still surprised at how the Heat beat the Spurs in the finals.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on January 10, 2015, 06:21:43 PM
"Rebound Bosh, back out to Allen." :rejoice

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Can Kevin Love get a rebound like that when it counts? I think not. :smug
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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 10, 2015, 06:49:53 PM
HIS three pointer....BANGGGG

TIE GAME WITH FIVE SECONDS REMAINING

Breen the goat
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 10, 2015, 10:53:22 PM
Quote
The New Orleans Pelicans have agreed to send former lottery pick Austin Rivers to the Celtics to help complete Boston's looming Jeff Green trade with Memphis, according to league sources.

Sources told ESPN.com that the Pelicans have been recruited to join the trade struck Friday by the Celtics and Grizzlies by sending Rivers to Boston and taking on guard Quincy Pondexter from the Grizzlies.

On Friday, as ESPN.com first reported, Boston and Memphis came to terms on the larger elements of a deal, with the Celtics agreeing to send Green to the Grizzlies for Tayshaun Prince's $7.7 million expiring contract and a future first-round pick.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T234 on January 11, 2015, 04:01:44 AM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on January 08, 2015, 12:10:02 AM
Jodie Meeks mention

obligatory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWEh8Um-bvQ

remember when this program was irrelevant? :aah

Ahh college, what a terrible time of sport for me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on January 11, 2015, 08:05:43 PM
Nick Calathes' hairline is absurd
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on January 11, 2015, 08:48:18 PM
Hassan Whiteside what the fuck. I know the Clippers aren't the best at defending the paint, but damn.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on January 11, 2015, 08:58:10 PM
Just one game. Hoping for the best but tempering hype. As long as he can take pressure off Bosh, fuck yeah.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2015, 09:04:04 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 10, 2015, 10:53:22 PM
Quote
The New Orleans Pelicans have agreed to send former lottery pick Austin Rivers to the Celtics to help complete Boston's looming Jeff Green trade with Memphis, according to league sources.

Sources told ESPN.com that the Pelicans have been recruited to join the trade struck Friday by the Celtics and Grizzlies by sending Rivers to Boston and taking on guard Quincy Pondexter from the Grizzlies.

On Friday, as ESPN.com first reported, Boston and Memphis came to terms on the larger elements of a deal, with the Celtics agreeing to send Green to the Grizzlies for Tayshaun Prince's $7.7 million expiring contract and a future first-round pick.

draft duke shooting guards, brehs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 12, 2015, 12:49:20 AM
Dude Blatt ain't working.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 12, 2015, 02:07:42 PM
Quote
An NBA scout attending the Kings-Cavs game also criticized Cleveland's shoddy transition defense to ESPN.com.

The Kings scored 22 points off the Cavs' 14 turnovers and outscored Cleveland 17-5 in fast-break points.

"This is a team in disarray," the scout said. "They are so discombobulated out there with their new pieces. And it's not just that, there were guys not even crossing half court to get back on transition D."

Blatt, who said on Friday the team was improving despite its record following an 18-point loss to Golden State, tried to find a silver lining in the fact that Cleveland held Sacramento to 44 points on 42.5 percent shooting in the second half, but ultimately could not spin the result to a positive.

"It wasn't a good step today. It wasn't a good performance by us, honestly. You can't sugarcoat it," Blatt said. "There were in the second half good moments, particularly on the defensive end, and offensively we executed better -- we just didn't put the ball in the hole. Generally speaking, though, that was not the performance we hoped for."


http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12153672/david-blatt-cleveland-cavaliers-tonight-not-step-forward

Team is now 1-8 without Lebron.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 12, 2015, 02:08:23 PM
That was the nail in his coffin. I fully expect blatt to be fired by the end of the month.

Oh I should have read further. You failed to mention where Blatt said Kevin Love wasn't a max player.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 12, 2015, 02:12:26 PM
I think they will ride him out until season completion. I feel like they have to because of all the things that GM was saying publicly.

Then when the free agency stuff hits, the writing will be on the wall and he will fired then unless Cleveland has some kind of miracle second half of the season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 12, 2015, 02:13:30 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 12, 2015, 02:12:26 PM
I think they will ride him out until season completion. I feel like they have to because of all the things that GM was saying publicly.

Then when the free agency stuff hits, the writing will be on the wall and he will fired then unless Cleveland has some kind of miracle second half of the season.

He won't make it out of this month. Book it.

Be a rookie head coach and take subtle shots at your own player, breh.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 12, 2015, 03:14:23 PM
Blatt isn't going anywhere.  You're crazy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 12, 2015, 03:15:29 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 12, 2015, 03:14:23 PM
Blatt isn't going anywhere.  You're crazy.

We'll see.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 12, 2015, 03:41:49 PM
Your sports takes are always terrible, AiA.

The GM's reputation is on the line to make Blatt work, so he's going to stick with the guy as long as possible. You keep churning through coaches and your organization will have no credibility with attracting quality coaches. Gilbert knows that.




Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 12, 2015, 04:39:12 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 12, 2015, 03:41:49 PM
Your sports takes are always terrible, AiA.

The GM's reputation is on the line to make Blatt work, so he's going to stick with the guy as long as possible. You keep churning through coaches and your organization will have no credibility with attracting quality coaches. Gilbert knows that.

That's because you didn't play. Easy to be you and cast aspersions.

Make sure you're the first to step up when he's canned.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 12, 2015, 04:46:58 PM
http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=12092236&src=desktop&rand=ref~%7B"ref"%3A"https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F"%7D

When this broke and NOT one player defended Blatt it was time to make a move.

I mean this is one of about 100 articles saying the same thing. Last time this happened it was Mike Brown and the Lakers.

Lebron "what other coaches do we have?"
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 12, 2015, 05:39:02 PM
http://youtu.be/cf83Bo9bbkM
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 12, 2015, 05:47:45 PM
And what happens when Lebron comes back and they inevitably win 20 over the next 30 games?

You're projecting way too much dude.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on January 12, 2015, 10:52:14 PM
http://streamable.com/198
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 12, 2015, 11:00:00 PM
http://gfycat.com/HonorableUnderstatedCrab
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 12, 2015, 11:22:50 PM
Holy fucking shit  :o
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 13, 2015, 06:49:06 PM
Quote
The Brooklyn Nets are available on the open market.

Russian billionaire Mikhail Prokhorov, five years into his failed championship pursuit as Nets owner, has made it known that the team is up for sale, according to league sources.
yup
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 13, 2015, 07:16:25 PM
Bought team for a few hundred million. Will sell for over a billion or maybe even 2 billion.

 :mynicca
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 13, 2015, 10:49:33 PM
Lebron back tonight. Cleveland still down 20 in the 3rd quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 13, 2015, 11:50:00 PM
Mo Williams  :holeup
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on January 13, 2015, 11:55:58 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 13, 2015, 11:50:00 PM
Mo Williams  :holeup
:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 14, 2015, 12:33:13 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkjRZ667tnE
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on January 14, 2015, 01:53:31 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on January 14, 2015, 01:37:40 AM
Kobe 3 of 19.

Fucking retire.

What happened to your god? (http://i.imgur.com/juOvXdY.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on January 14, 2015, 02:17:02 AM
Lakers going after Brandon Jennings? He better hope Kobe retires
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 14, 2015, 06:22:17 AM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh8N8gL2HdI

:hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 14, 2015, 09:50:50 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on January 14, 2015, 06:22:17 AM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh8N8gL2HdI

:hitler

Lebron also pushed Spoelstra.  Non news.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 14, 2015, 10:13:58 AM
Spoelstra also sucks as a coach, just like Blatt.

Basically it's Lebron saying "you don't matter"
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 14, 2015, 10:20:48 AM
Spoelstra does not suck, I am so fucking tired of hearing that from people.  With Lebron, Wade, and Bosh, Spoelstra ran some of the fastest blitz defenses in the league, as well as a dominant drive inside/score outside offensive flow.  The Heat right now have no balance and zero passing to speak of, and I don't think thats all Spoelstra's fault.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 14, 2015, 10:21:10 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 14, 2015, 10:20:48 AM
Spoelstra does not suck, I am so fucking tired of hearing that from people.  With Lebron, Wade, and Bosh, Spoelstra ran some of the fastest blitz defenses in the league, as well as a dominant drive inside/score outside offensive flow.  The Heat right now have no balance and zero passing to speak of, and I don't think thats all Spoelstra's fault.


mmm'kay.

He's trash.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 14, 2015, 03:08:45 PM
I wasn't a fan of Spoelstra but whatever. Time will tell on him whether he is good or not based on what he does in the future. I will say that winning a title as a coach doesn't necessarily make you a great coach. Some coaches who have won titles have simply benefited from being in the right place at the right time and simply being competent at best

As far as Blatt, I'm not sure what is going on there and he had a great reputation as an international coach but clearly 40 games in the Cavs are trending toward being a disaster at the moment. The offense is woefully stagnant and unimaginative. The defense is awful. He's plays the starters too many minutes and Kevin Love seems to be losing confidence and effectiveness when the big three are on the floor at the same time.

This is a league where offenses like the Spurs, The Hawks, and The Warriors are clicking with constant motion and passes and the Cavs look nothing like that. They look like a bad version of the already stagnant Miami team that got stomped out by the spurs last year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 14, 2015, 03:16:03 PM
Blatt = Spo

Spo = Blatt

The only difference is Wade, James, and Bosh had better chemistry than Irving, Bron, and Love. Not too mention Ray Allen coming off that bench. That team basically had 4 or 5 player coaches.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 14, 2015, 03:16:03 PM
No, I'm sorry, Spoelstra is a good coach.  The dude knows a ton about schemes and switches, and has been able execute trapping and double teams to great success.  When he has a solid inside present (whether that be a center or a PF playing inside), his offensive scheme scores in droves as well.

His years of tape study is obvious.  I would much rather take him than Mark Jackson, Derek Fischer, Monty Williams, Mike Brown, a bunch of others.  I'd rather take him over Dantoni, too.

He's a proven coach.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 14, 2015, 03:17:15 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 14, 2015, 03:16:03 PM
No, I'm sorry, Spoelstra is a good coach.  The dude knows a ton about schemes and switches, and has been able execute trapping and double teams to great success.  When he has a solid inside present (whether that be a center or a PF playing inside), his offensive scheme scores in droves as well.

His years of tape study is obvious.  I would much rather take him than Mark Jackson, Derek Fischer, Monty Williams, Mike Brown, a bunch of others.  I'd rather take him over Dantoni, too.

He's a proven coach.
Mike Brown: I'd take you over Mike Brown
Mark Jackson: LOL get the fuck out of here
Derek Fisher: 50/50 but players will respect him more than Spo. Unfair to use this Knicks team as a barometer when they are clearly trying to tank.
Monty Williams? Who?
Dantoni: Get the fuck out of here.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on January 14, 2015, 03:18:00 PM
Leave a team that made the Championships for a sub-500 team brehs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 14, 2015, 03:18:59 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on January 14, 2015, 03:18:00 PM
Leave a team that made the Championships for a sub-500 team brehs

You mean leave Miami to come home, right?

Smart business decision. Also is the season over yet? How them Miami Heat doing, breh?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 14, 2015, 03:23:58 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 14, 2015, 03:16:03 PM
No, I'm sorry, Spoelstra is a good coach.  The dude knows a ton about schemes and switches, and has been able execute trapping and double teams to great success.  When he has a solid inside present (whether that be a center or a PF playing inside), his offensive scheme scores in droves as well.

His years of tape study is obvious.  I would much rather take him than Mark Jackson, Derek Fischer, Monty Williams, Mike Brown, a bunch of others.  I'd rather take him over Dantoni, too.

He's a proven coach.

While I'm fine with the opinion I do think its a bit odd some of the coaches you mention. Derek Fischer is a first year coach, coaching an awful team, with a GM forcing him to run a triangle. Maybe he will be good or bad clearly down the line but I think this Knicks situatiuon is not the best way to judge anybody.

And to be honest its hard to imagine Brown doing any worse than what Blatt has done so far and its not like I'm a brown fan.

My point is more its easy to look good coaching a talented team. It's much harder when your team is dog-shit. Jason Kid looks pretty good coaching an unexpectedly good team this year in the bucks versus a team with over-expectations like the nets.

I think perception is often an issue here.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 14, 2015, 05:02:17 PM
I'm saying that there are truly garbage coaches in the league.  Spoelstra is not one of them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 15, 2015, 12:19:48 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on January 14, 2015, 05:25:00 PM
Did you play, BrandNew?

Blah blah
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 15, 2015, 01:23:29 AM
Spoelstra did have seasons before the Big Three assembled. He won 47 games (and a 6th rated defense, next year was 5th) with a starting lineup of Jermaine O'Neal-Michael Beasley-Quentin Richardson-Dwyane Wade-Carlos Arroyo/33 year old Rafer Alston/second-year Mario Chalmers.

Wade was amazing obviously, especially in the playoffs where nobody else on the team cracked 11 ppg or a PER of 11.6.

His willingness to ditch conventions and re-align his talent in a risky way in the middle of the playoffs (even if his hand was forced by Bosh's injury) is to be commended, even Pop has hesitated at times to do that. (Though he's eventually done it a number of times, like rendering Mutombo useless by playing Malik Rose in 2003. And more recently unearthing the bloated Boris Diaw to help the passing in the offense.)

Not saying he's a great coach or anything but that willingness to be flexible is a great trait for a coach. (See Scott Brooks insistence on playing Perkins so much until this year.)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 15, 2015, 03:43:48 PM
1st quarter

Bucks 33
Knicks 13

 :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Brehvolution on January 15, 2015, 03:50:41 PM
Can you imagine paying good money to see garbage like that?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 15, 2015, 05:22:56 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12168515/bone-broth-soup-helping-los-angeles-lakers-kobe-bryant

Great sports article or greatest sports article?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 15, 2015, 05:23:11 PM
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/12173377/austin-rivers-headed-los-angeles-clippers-part-trade-involving-boston-celtics-phoenix-suns

That nepotism.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 15, 2015, 10:36:20 PM
Quote
While the Cavs certainly have fallen on tough times, losing six in a row and nine out of 10 to fall to 19-20 and sixth in the Eastern Conference entering Thursday night, Blatt said he's been through the start of a season like this before and was able to turn it around for his team.

"We had a tough first half of the year last year in Maccabi," Blatt said. "Really tough. And it looked rough. We came back, we won the European championship, we won the Israeli championship, we won the Israeli Cup. One of the great, historic years in the history of European basketball. So, yeah, I've been in that situation before and the ending was pretty good."

 :heh

I'll watch the Lakers Cavs game tonight if only to kind of secretly hope the Lakers win tonight.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 15, 2015, 11:51:52 PM
Cavs down 4 at half time.

if they lose this game.  :maf
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: dkdk on January 15, 2015, 11:56:10 PM
(http://giant.gfycat.com/DisastrousFrigidGazelle.gif)

good effort lebron
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 16, 2015, 12:52:21 AM
Looks like Cavs got this one. Kobe was having a very good game. Had like 15 assists by the 3rd quarter. But once he went to the bench in the 4th the Lakers couldn't generate any offense and it got away from them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Brehvolution on January 16, 2015, 10:18:47 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 15, 2015, 05:23:11 PM
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/12173377/austin-rivers-headed-los-angeles-clippers-part-trade-involving-boston-celtics-phoenix-suns

That nepotism.

River is great on my NBA2k13 team.  :larry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 17, 2015, 01:47:54 AM
Since I've been shitting all over the Cavs recently, tonight is a night to give them some props. They played really well tonight and fairly gutsy. It was a back to back. Against a good team. Kevin Love was out. And they were down a decent amount in the third but used an explosive 4th quarter to come back tonight.

That being said Lebron is ridiculous with the turnovers this season. 9 tonight.

He is handling the ball way too much for this offense. Sometimes you can blame him for some of the careless turnovers but it just feels like the offense is so Lebron-centric (i.e. predicatable) a lot of these turnovers are gonna happen which is the bigger problem.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 17, 2015, 02:19:18 AM
Quote
CBS Sports analyst Greg Anthony has been arrested in a prostitution sting, according to a reporter with WJLA-TV in Washington, D.C.


 :mynicca
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 18, 2015, 01:31:02 AM
Damn those Hawks aren't playing anymore. Fucking Spurs South.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on January 18, 2015, 07:18:22 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 18, 2015, 01:31:02 AM
Damn those Hawks aren't playing anymore. Fucking Spurs South.
Happy to see Horford getting back to his pre-injury self :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 18, 2015, 09:05:02 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypov812EE7c
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 18, 2015, 01:02:21 PM
Parsons looked mad as hell. :heh

Dirk must really be extorting him for meals. It's "his" money after all :tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 18, 2015, 11:17:16 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7qmhr2CUAA9092.jpg)

 :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 18, 2015, 11:32:09 PM
 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 19, 2015, 12:06:49 AM
I looked at the standings for the first time in months and the Knicks are 5-36. 

Holy shit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 19, 2015, 12:31:22 AM
On all the monte carlo simulations they've dropped under the Sixers, one example: http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/playoff_prob.cgi
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 19, 2015, 08:34:02 AM
Well, we'll see what the Cav's are worth today at Chicago. We really need to take this one.

In other news, Shump is practicing fully so we can put Smith on the bench soon. I think he'll be fine running the second team with the vets along side him (Miller and Marion)

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2015, 10:39:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxZyOaAh1Y4

(http://www.thecoli.com/attachments/deadsteve-gif.2822/)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 19, 2015, 11:31:58 PM
Cavs :leon

who knew that getting rebounds would ultimately put you in a position to win...

Mozgod!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 20, 2015, 12:37:24 AM
Kobe doesn't strike me as the type to pass on 25 million dollars (not that most people would) so I fully expect him back next year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 20, 2015, 01:06:55 AM
Trade him to Philly. The Lakers are Nick Young's team now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 20, 2015, 09:42:57 PM
This is pretty good. If your an HD nerd find another source but damn man...I miss Magic and Larry.


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tcB43C0dawQ
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 21, 2015, 01:37:42 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12204869/forbes-reports-11-nba-teams-now-worth-1b

I have to think the NBA has passed baseball as the #2 grossing sport in the United States now.


Baseball

:ufup
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 21, 2015, 01:40:30 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12205207/michael-jordan-gets-emotional-winning-business-award

(http://www.thebore.com/forum/Smileys/default/wDcCgVD.png)

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 21, 2015, 02:34:06 PM
Kinda been lost because he and Westbrook have been hurt but Durant is putting up a stupidly good season.


Shooting 54%. 40% from three's. 4 assists. 7 rebounds.


And Westbrook himself isn't having a slouch of a season either with a per of 28.64.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 21, 2015, 02:35:55 PM
Peasant

Kyle Korver is at 50/50/90.....get on his level breh durant.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 21, 2015, 03:16:04 PM
Gordon "Run the Picket Fence" Haywood said Lebron can't bully him anymore. Lebron said today "if that makes him feel better, good for him" anybody want to set an over under for how many points LBJ get's today? I'm gonna say somewhere around 35
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 21, 2015, 05:09:12 PM
He's feeling sick.  I'd say he has a 24 point night.  9 assists though
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 21, 2015, 06:26:51 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on January 21, 2015, 02:35:55 PM
Peasant

Kyle Korver is at 50/50/90.....get on his level breh durant.

THREEZUS

ALL HAIL HIS NAME

:lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2015, 08:10:58 PM
Still amazed baseball doesn't have a salary cap. Folks in Detroit are talking nonstop about the Sherzer deal with is worth like 200mil over a decade plus.
:mindblown

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 21, 2015, 09:22:33 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 21, 2015, 05:09:12 PM
He's feeling sick.  I'd say he has a 24 point night.  9 assists though

only off by two points :smug
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 21, 2015, 11:22:26 PM
My Hawks have won 14 in a row now

:leon

(They become "my" Hawks when they play like this)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 21, 2015, 11:31:45 PM
Hawks have always been a fun team, especially when Horford is playing well.  But man, what a coaching job this year.  Korver is a legitimate all star, too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 22, 2015, 01:48:15 AM
The Heat seem to have fallen mightily.


They will have to battle for that 7th and 8th slot with Brooklyn, Charlotte, and Detroit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 22, 2015, 09:49:32 AM
Be Gordon Hayward.

Piss off Lebron

Get a -22 point difference in one game

:snoop
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on January 22, 2015, 03:31:01 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 22, 2015, 01:48:15 AM
The Heat seem to have fallen mightily.


They will have to battle for that 7th and 8th slot with Brooklyn, Charlotte, and Detroit.

Injuries have derailed any meager momentum we muster. The terrible point guard play doesn't help either.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 22, 2015, 03:42:57 PM
Detroit Pistons

With josh smith 5-23

After josh smith 12-3



Houston Rockets

Before josh smith 20-7

With josh smith 9-7
:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 22, 2015, 11:39:20 PM
That first half from the Nets

 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 23, 2015, 08:10:37 AM
Local radio says Ray Allen was in Cleveland yesterday for 10 hours

:yeshrug
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 23, 2015, 09:21:08 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 22, 2015, 03:42:57 PM
Detroit Pistons

With josh smith 5-23

After josh smith 12-3



Houston Rockets

Before josh smith 20-7

With josh smith 9-7
:dead

I feel bad for the Houston organization. They try like hell, but they always seem to fail. It doesn't help that they are stuck in the West.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 23, 2015, 10:00:36 AM
http://grantland.com/features/2015-nba-trade-value-part-1/

One of my favorite columns he does.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Brehvolution on January 23, 2015, 10:51:50 AM
(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--ky9UbX0Z--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/fstq5pgej1ss3b81qka6.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 23, 2015, 10:57:19 AM
Let me go ahead and tell you the outcome of this;

He'll be fined 50 grand
He'll do a forced and bullshit apology to the LGBT community stating how he supports fair treatment of homosexuals
Everybody will forget about
Clips lose in the 2nd round of the playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 23, 2015, 12:22:10 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2015/01/22/ariana-grande-to-perform-at-nba-all-star-game/22154837/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHhgllqSKro

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 23, 2015, 01:23:57 PM
Ty Lawson: DUI, Speeding, and Careless driving


http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_27379576/nuggets-ty-lawson-arrested-denver-suspected-dui

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8DTliLCcAEgytQ.jpg:large)

Tip: You can add high as all fuck too.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Brehvolution on January 23, 2015, 03:50:22 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on January 23, 2015, 10:57:19 AM
Let me go ahead and tell you the outcome of this;

He'll be fined 50 grand
He'll do a forced and bullshit apology to the LGBT community stating how he supports fair treatment of homosexuals
Everybody will forget about
Clips lose in the 2nd round of the playoffs.

I just thought it was funny. Nothing will come of this unless the dude makes a stink. I doubt he will.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on January 23, 2015, 06:04:18 PM
seems over for Kobe

 :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 23, 2015, 06:14:36 PM
Quote from: Hyoushi on January 23, 2015, 06:04:18 PM
seems over for Kobe

 :kobeyuck

(http://i41.tinypic.com/6srgj9.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 23, 2015, 10:48:59 PM
Cavs look pretty decent all of a sudden. Mozgov has been playing really well since joining the team. So has JR smith although I think that's fool's gold. Iman Shumpert got to play for the first time tonight also.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJyEPQxNScI
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 23, 2015, 11:54:37 PM
Cavs have been GREAT lately.  Full team effort offensively, and the new additions have worked for the better.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 24, 2015, 12:44:20 AM
It's kind of crazy how invisible Kevin Love is lately.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: eleuin on January 24, 2015, 12:54:31 AM
Klay Thompson with 37 points in one quarter, 9 made 3s  :whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 24, 2015, 01:56:59 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxjsz92v53M
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 24, 2015, 12:42:51 PM
Are the Cavs turning a corner or just beating bad teams?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on January 24, 2015, 01:33:27 PM
they beat the Clippers in Staples and a reeling Bulls team by 14

they're beating teams while scoring a lot of points, which is exactly what they were pegged to do before the season started; Kevin Love's disappearing act notwithstanding
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 24, 2015, 02:28:48 PM
Hornets won 8 in a row prior to getting defiled.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on January 25, 2015, 04:12:51 AM
Well, that about wraps it up for the Pistons
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 25, 2015, 08:20:49 AM
More time for Andre to learn the point and finally become unstoppable.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cheddahz on January 25, 2015, 10:32:43 AM
If D.J. Augustin can explode like he did for the Bulls last year, then maybe it won't be as bad?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 25, 2015, 10:35:07 AM
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1368976

Chad Ford caught retroactively adjusting his draft boards from previous years...

:ufup
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 25, 2015, 11:07:58 AM
I told you guys Joe Dumars' gifts are poison.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on January 25, 2015, 11:08:10 AM
Quote from: Cheddahz on January 25, 2015, 10:32:43 AM
If D.J. Augustin can explode like he did for the Bulls last year, then maybe it won't be as bad?

Dunno, he's been a turnover machine so far this season. And missing a whole lot of stuff. His drive-and-kick style worked pretty well for those two-three games when Meeks got hot, but hasn't really been working lately. Hopefully he can step up, but I think the slim playoff chance they had is pretty much buried now
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cheddahz on January 25, 2015, 11:11:14 AM
Marbury the Michael Jordan of China?

https://vine.co/v/OT7AidUUmDE
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 25, 2015, 06:57:51 PM
Another impressive win for the Cavs.

And the Heat seem to really have found something in Whiteside.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 25, 2015, 07:03:07 PM
I watched that Heat game, Whiteside was a fucking beast.  He was making Pau his bitch all game long.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on January 25, 2015, 07:08:33 PM
Whiteside :rejoice

Please keep at it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 25, 2015, 07:37:22 PM
Cavs are playing fantastic basketball right now.  Defense has improved massively (Kyrie isn't getting any credit for this even though he should).  Lebron is playing at an MVP level again.  Mozgov as an inside presence is crucial.

That said, I think the Cavs still stay under 50 wins.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 25, 2015, 07:51:32 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on January 25, 2015, 07:29:49 PM
The Cavs have officially become an annoyance.

:ufup

Sorry Kobe has sucked dick for the past half decade man....think you'll ever be able to let go or no?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 25, 2015, 08:22:14 PM
JR Smith took 12 three point shots?
:kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 25, 2015, 10:57:08 PM
He takes them in bulk for sure, I think he had 11 the other night.  But he hit like 7 of them.  Live and die by the JR.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on January 25, 2015, 11:42:09 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 25, 2015, 10:57:08 PM
Live and die by JR.
Get it right
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: eleuin on January 26, 2015, 12:40:57 AM
Quote from: Bobby Doucher on January 25, 2015, 07:08:33 PM
Whiteside :rejoice

Please keep at it.
https://vine.co/v/OThWw5QdvOL

 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 26, 2015, 01:45:49 AM
Triple double!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 26, 2015, 02:47:24 AM
The Magic are actually kinda fun to watch, like an Anti-Spurs, they have these possessions where like they have no clue what to do, so somebody (usually Payton or Oladipo) just pretends like he has a plan of attack and it works out as the rest of the team reacts and the defense is all "WTF is going on" and someone winds up open. A lineup they ran for like two minutes of Ben Gordon-Oladipo-Fouriner-Harris-Frye caused epic panic because all of them are 38+% three point shooters and yet the offense was that insane nonsense.  :lol

Now, this doesn't work ideally or as imagined a lot but it's fun to see teams panic rotate. And then there's Vucevic sitting under the boards!

I don't even know if Jacque Vaughn attends the games or if they're coaching themselves.  They don't seem to have any sets or defensive scheme.

Plus you can kinda see how they have the makings of a Hawks/Spurs like team where they're just above average at every position and bring in nice bench guys with clear roles who won't shake up the system.

EDIT: Now I remember where I've seen this offense before, the D-League games Versus used to televise with the drunk Eric Musselman commentating! Usually it'd be that inbetween guy who's too good for the D-League but gets called up and DNP's for five games before being sent back down just doing something as everyone else reacts and like half the players don't know each other because they're bailing for Europe and coming back and then getting ten-day contracts and coming back and stuff so they can't actually implement an offense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 26, 2015, 08:10:48 AM
How bout them Cav's?

 :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on January 26, 2015, 01:35:21 PM
yeah Jacque Vaughn is kind of a horrible coach

Aaron Gordon's come back from injury and he's trying to integrate him offensively...by letting him shoot corner 3s
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 26, 2015, 02:18:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZzZFnE4smA


:umad

Oh and my favorite thing about Whiteside? "I'm getting triple doubles to get my 2K rating up" lols.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 26, 2015, 02:31:14 PM
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/c8054b0d25af1d4a9477748839a73d29/tumblr_mfsz31X7et1rdqggno1_500.gif)


:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 26, 2015, 07:58:14 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on January 26, 2015, 08:10:48 AM
How bout them Cav's?

 :neogaf
(http://i.imgur.com/USg7ZqE.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 28, 2015, 02:04:24 AM
Cavs seem to have righted themselves. Unless another major injury occurs they seem to be capable of making a credible playoff run. Lebron seems a lot more aggressive now on offense.

They still need to diversify the offense more and find a real way to get Love involved on a consistent basis. They will need him big time in the playoffs for lots of different reasons.



Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 28, 2015, 08:25:13 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 28, 2015, 02:04:24 AM
Cavs seem to have righted themselves. Unless another major injury occurs they seem to be capable of making a credible playoff run. Lebron seems a lot more aggressive now on offense.

They still need to diversify the offense more and find a real way to get Love involved on a consistent basis. They will need him big time in the playoffs for lots of different reasons.

Yup they are looking much better. At this point I believe Love isn't a great fit on the team. This may change over time as everyone becomes use to each other but don't you think a guy like Paul Milsap or Kenneth Faried would have been a much better fit?

Thaddeus Young would have been perfect.

Essentially we are playing a G-G-G-SF-C lineup. Which will win in the regular season but Lebron would have to carry us during the playoffs.

Edit:

Moving along I see that Minnesota currently has the worst record in the league. Could you imagine adding Okafor to play with Wiggins? How good would that team be in 3 years?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2015, 10:05:03 AM
Yea Okafor is breasting. Amazing hands.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 28, 2015, 10:10:25 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8C-nyz7qkY

Them Coach K fundamentals brehs..


:lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 28, 2015, 08:08:07 PM
Lebron out tonight with a sprained wrist but Kyrie seems to be going in. 28 points in the first half.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2015, 08:14:28 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on January 28, 2015, 10:10:25 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8C-nyz7qkY

Them Coach K fundamentals brehs..


:lawd

:heh

you trolling bro
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 28, 2015, 08:44:21 PM
Kyrie with 39 at the end of the 3rd quarter.

 :lawd

Kevin Love with 10.

 :holeup
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 28, 2015, 08:55:32 PM
Love is god damn embarrassing tonight on offense and defense. wtf.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 28, 2015, 09:03:18 PM
And now he's hurt.

 :goty2

edit: Looks like he's alright now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 28, 2015, 09:14:30 PM
Kyrie is pretty much playing by himself out there. The rest of the "offense" is non-existent. I don't honestly think they've even been truly running plays the last quarter. It's all just variations on different iso plays.

He just hit 50.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 28, 2015, 09:16:43 PM
lol Cavs got lucky. That was barely a push in the back I think. It was more acting.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 28, 2015, 09:22:49 PM
God Damn kyrie Irving.

Dagger 3.


 :mynicca
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 28, 2015, 09:29:18 PM
I'd like to bitch about the stagnant offense but my god all you can really talk about is that game Kyrie had. 55 points. And a stone cold three to win the game. That was the best individual performance outside of that amazing quarter by Klay Thompson this year. Just unreal.

If ever there was a game to make you doubt Kevin Love is worth paying the maximum to it was this game. He scored no points outside of the first quarter. Finished with 10 points on 3 of 15 shooting. He was a statue on defense all game. And worst of all he legit looked nervous to even take shots in the 4th quarter. It was really bad.


Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 28, 2015, 09:31:58 PM
Kyrie.   :laws

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E8i7XovfquQ

Thought ya might like this fellas
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2015, 09:35:18 PM
damn impressive win without LeBron
:leon

Cavs...are real? Regardless their schedule looks pretty easy for the next 7 games. Not saying they'll keep the streak up but...

Sac
@Minny
Philly
LAC
@Indy
LAL
MIA

Should go 5-2 at the very least, assuming LeBron is fine.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 28, 2015, 09:50:19 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wILHokjoRho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF9Uth2ToJk&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 28, 2015, 10:56:55 PM
Love is actually having a fine year, just not..."first option" fine.  I think he should stick around after this season to see what he can do with this team.

Cavs look fucking fantastic right now.  Kyrie is playing like an ASG starter.  He shouldn't be, Wall deserves it.  But Kyrie will most likely win MVP of the game, again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 28, 2015, 11:22:04 PM
From the games I've seen they just aren't playing Love in the same spots he used to with the Wolves. Primarily because they're the same spots LeBron uses. And he kinda like stops doing anything when he's not part of the offense and can't figure out what he should be doing instead other than rebound.

also lol Pistons
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 28, 2015, 11:51:15 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 28, 2015, 10:56:55 PM
Love is actually having a fine year, just not..."first option" fine.

meh

Career low FG% on a team where he is the third option and he has shitloads of wide open shots. Only shooting 33% from 3 point range. Wretched defense.

Which is not to say he shouldn't be integrated into the offense more. But currently he's not stroking the ball well at all which doesn't help.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 29, 2015, 01:35:55 AM
Quote
The event returns to a more traditional format, ditching last year's team competition. The first round will allow each competitor to complete two dunks, getting three attempts at each dunk. Five judges will score the dunks, with the top two scorers going on to the final round and getting two more dunks in the same format.

Fan voting, which has played a role in deciding the victory since 2008, no longer will be part of the process.
:leon
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 29, 2015, 05:13:56 AM
Quote
Terrence Williams, now a free-agent, had a no-cut clause in his Israeli contract. Practiced once and walked away with $68k
:mynicca
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 29, 2015, 08:58:04 AM
How about them Cav's?

 :gladbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 29, 2015, 10:52:39 PM
Eastern and Western All Stars

John Wall, WAS   Backcourt Starter   Stephen Curry, GSW
Kyle Lowry, TOR   Backcourt Starter   Kobe Bryant, LAL
Pau Gasol, CHI   Frontcourt Starter   Anthony Davis, NOP
LeBron James, CLE   Frontcourt Starter   Marc Gasol, MEM
Carmelo Anthony, NYK   Frontcourt Starter   Blake Griffin, LAC
Jimmy Butler, CHI   Backcourt Reserve   Klay Thompson, GSW
Kyrie Irving, CLE   Backcourt Reserve   Chris Paul, LAC
Paul Millsap, ATL   Frontcourt Reserve   James Harden, HOU
Al Horford, ATL   Frontcourt Reserve   Kevin Durant, OKC
Chris Bosh, MIA   Frontcourt Reserve   LaMarcus Aldridge, POR
Jeff Teague, ATL   Wild Card Reserve   Tim Duncan, SAS
Dwyane Wade, MIA   Wild Card Reserve   Russell Westbrook, OKC


Quote
A few things to note before hitting the selections in full:

Kobe Bryant's season-ending surgery on a torn rotator cuff opens up a starting spot in the West, which means Damian Lillard, DeMarcus Cousins and Mike Conley still have a shot.
LaMarcus Aldridge is fighting through a torn ligament in his left thumb. If he ends up sitting out, we could see yet another replacement in the West.
The same goes for Dwyane Wade and his bad right hamstring.
Commissioner Adam Silver will select any injury replacements.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2343530-nba-all-star-reserves-2015-full-roster-list-and-analysis-for-east-and-west
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 30, 2015, 12:58:57 AM
lulz. Lakers just collapsed against the bulls when they had the game in hand.

Byron Scott.

 :goty2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 30, 2015, 01:12:58 AM
double ot
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 30, 2015, 01:26:06 AM
Bulls let it get away and lose it.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 30, 2015, 01:56:26 AM
Lakers gonna fuck themselves out of a lottery pick

:jawalrus
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Cheddahz on January 30, 2015, 10:52:55 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/vYviTeu.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 30, 2015, 02:13:46 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/allstar2015/story/_/id/12254404/demarcus-cousins-sacramento-kings-replaces-kobe-bryant-los-angeles-lakers-western-conference-all-star-roster
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 30, 2015, 02:28:31 PM
Good.  He deserved it
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 30, 2015, 02:52:08 PM
Can you imagine what happens when Boogie actually gets on a decent team? (Spurs?)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: CatsCatsCats on January 30, 2015, 04:10:04 PM
Yeahhhh, Lillard got fucked
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 30, 2015, 05:51:13 PM
LMA may not play...they could shift Boogie to LMA's role and have Lillard play for Kobe.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 30, 2015, 08:39:23 PM
Love has played great tonight
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Beezy on January 30, 2015, 08:42:47 PM
Whiteside continues to beast
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 30, 2015, 08:48:13 PM
jesus christ.  14 rebounds in a quarter and change?  fuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 30, 2015, 10:02:55 PM
21 boards :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: benjipwns on January 30, 2015, 10:19:28 PM
Charlie V with 20 on the other end.  :leon
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: El Babua on January 30, 2015, 11:45:43 PM
Spo :goty

Cole :ufup
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2015, 01:22:09 AM
Wigguns was playing like a man possessed against LeBron
:leon

Anthony Bennett :heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 01, 2015, 04:09:02 AM
He's been playing pretty well for awhile now. He's going to be a good player. And he will  have plenty of opportunities to grow in Minnesota since that team will suck for a good long while.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2015, 07:55:23 PM
Since we had mentioned him:
Quote
The Orlando Magic are on the verge of firing head coach Jacque Vaughn, according to league sources.

After the Magic lost their seventh straight game Thursday night to fall to 15-34, one source close to the situation said the team's management has decided it will relieve Vaughn of his duties. The only question, according to the source, was how soon.

One source said Vaughn will not be fired Friday and that he will likely coach at least the Magic's next three games against the Dallas Mavericks on Saturday, the Oklahoma City Thunder on Monday and the San Antonio Spurs on Wednesday.

After those three games, all probable losses, the Magic's schedule lightens considerably, with four of their next six opponents being non-playoff teams. That's a much more favorable situation in which to bring a new coach.

Vaughn said Friday morning before practice that talk about his tenuous job security has put him in a "day by day" mindset and that he is blocking everything out, like the boos he heard after Thursday's loss.

"Day by day," Vaughn told reporters in Orlando when asked about his approach to the remainder of the season. "That's what I do, I've always done. I do my job the best I can that day. I went home, I watched film -- nothing changed. I got up this morning, met with my group, ready for practice and ready for a game." He added, "I don't abide by the tyranny of other people's attitudes and moods. I'm ready to rock and roll."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 02, 2015, 11:45:20 AM
Hassan Whiteside has the second highest PER in the league now.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 02, 2015, 11:46:39 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 02, 2015, 11:45:20 AM
Hassan Whiteside has the second highest PER in the league now.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics

He's doing two things right now:

1) Playing out of his mind. He is fantastic right now.

2) Exposing the NBA and their lack of big men who can play around the rim.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 02, 2015, 11:52:20 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 02, 2015, 11:45:20 AM
Hassan Whiteside has the second highest PER in the league now.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics

Would not have expected Rudy Gay or Mike Conley to be so low on that list, interesting.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 02, 2015, 11:58:20 AM
Well Rudy started off better which was surprising given that's he never been a very efficient player, but since the Malone firing, that team has been on the skids which is dragging down him and Cousins.

I like Conley. He is what he is. You know what you will get out of him always and he's pretty consistent.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 02, 2015, 09:41:25 PM
Hawks streak in trouble nearing the 4th
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 02, 2015, 10:51:26 PM
That Kevin Love box score.  I'm kind of surprised the media has layed off him unlike Bosh.

I don't know what the future holds but I find it hard to believe either party will want to continue the partnership if it remains like this.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 02, 2015, 11:00:52 PM
Why are you reading into this so much?  The dude is a constant double double machine.  He's usually scoring between 10-20 points a game.  He's fine, he's just not putting up number one option numbers anymore because he doesn't have to.  Bosh was exactly the same the first year or so.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 03, 2015, 02:44:30 AM
One for seven shooting
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 03, 2015, 10:31:47 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 03, 2015, 02:44:30 AM
One for seven shooting

10 wins in a row and he's averaging 16 and 10 and we are going to focus on this?

:snoop
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2015, 11:05:06 AM
True, the team is winning which should be the focus but I can't help but think Love is frustrated. Does he truly want to be the third option on a team that might win one playoff series, or would he rather be the man somewhere else?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 03, 2015, 11:07:33 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2015, 11:05:06 AM
True, the team is winning which should be the focus but I can't help but think Love is frustrated. Does he truly want to be the third option on a team that might win one playoff series, or would he rather be the man somewhere else?

LOL, you stupid.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 04, 2015, 03:53:32 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 03, 2015, 11:07:33 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2015, 11:05:06 AM
True, the team is winning which should be the focus but I can't help but think Love is frustrated. Does he truly want to be the third option on a team that might win one playoff series, or would he rather be the man somewhere else?

LOL, you stupid.

we gonna do a bet, OG?
:heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 04, 2015, 10:55:22 PM
Cleveland has caught Chicago in the standings. Looking at it, its possible to see them as the #2 seed eventually in the east if they keep up the play.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 05, 2015, 01:45:12 AM
Curry went off tonight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CJ_zszwyms
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 05, 2015, 01:50:50 AM
The Heat lost again are in deep shit when it comes to making the playoffs since Wade is gone for a good chunk now.

But my god whiteside.

24 points on 12 of 13 from the field. 20 rebounds.

 :whoo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Brehvolution on February 05, 2015, 10:39:36 AM
Isn't it written in Wade's contract that he can take like 30 games off?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 05, 2015, 10:40:54 AM
Quote from: Brehvolution on February 05, 2015, 10:39:36 AM
Isn't it written in Wade's contract that he can take like 30 games off?

Blame the Spurs man, they started this "stars sit 20% of the time" bullshit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Brehvolution on February 05, 2015, 10:46:20 AM
My comment was a joke. Even when Lebron was there he would miss 1/3 of every season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 05, 2015, 10:50:19 AM
Quote from: Brehvolution on February 05, 2015, 10:46:20 AM
My comment was a joke. Even when Lebron was there he would miss 1/3 of every season.

Spurs started sitting Duncan and Parker..what 4 or 5 years ago and got fined for it. After that look at most all-star level players missed games stats. Bad trend for people paying 50+ dollars a ticket man.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: benjipwns on February 05, 2015, 12:18:54 PM
Quote
ATLANTA -- The Hawks were rewarded for the first 17-0 month in NBA history with another first on Wednesday -- all five starters were selected Eastern Conference players of the month for January.

All-Stars Paul Millsap, Jeff Teague and Al Horford were honored by the league, along with the other starters, Kyle Korver and DeMarre Carroll.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 05, 2015, 01:09:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHZUYjx2zko
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 05, 2015, 01:36:05 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 05, 2015, 12:18:54 PM
Quote
ATLANTA -- The Hawks were rewarded for the first 17-0 month in NBA history with another first on Wednesday -- all five starters were selected Eastern Conference players of the month for January.

All-Stars Paul Millsap, Jeff Teague and Al Horford were honored by the league, along with the other starters, Kyle Korver and DeMarre Carroll.

Hate the idea but love the gesture.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: benjipwns on February 05, 2015, 01:44:55 PM
ha at Spoelstra just standing there watching

 :neogaf at Bob McAdoo and the assistant next to him
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 05, 2015, 02:20:15 PM
Vaughn has been fired.

Allow me to sum up his coaching career via GIF

(http://s1.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/5-trampoline-dunk-fail-basketball-fail-gifs.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 05, 2015, 10:09:48 PM
Well that was a dismantling of the clippers by the cavs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 06, 2015, 12:08:55 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 05, 2015, 10:09:48 PM
Well that was a dismantling of the clippers by the cavs.
d

Worse in person, trust me. Just got home and all I have to say is we fear nobody in the east. The west though...:whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 06, 2015, 12:27:10 AM
Man, Paul was so frustrated. That shit must have been a nightmare to deal with.

Love was busy early. Definitely looked good in the paint.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: bachikarn on February 06, 2015, 12:37:05 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 05, 2015, 01:09:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHZUYjx2zko

damn, that seems really shitty to me. I feel like I've seen similar stuff that isn't called. Maybe not as egregious as that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: benjipwns on February 06, 2015, 12:40:05 AM
Before they changed the rule, when he was a Hawk, Boris Diaw used to always run along the baseline for inbounds and refs never called it because they probably figured nobody would be doing it and weren't watching.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 06, 2015, 11:39:56 AM
(http://i.minus.com/iEXieArOu2THl.gif)

Kevin "Life of the Party" Love, ladies and gentlemen.

Even though that was earlier last year he did the same thing last night. All the Cavs starters sat the fourth and were joking and dancing and Love looked like he was about to meet his divorce attorney.

:yeshrug
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 06, 2015, 11:48:56 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 06, 2015, 12:27:10 AM
Man, Paul was so frustrated. That shit must have been a nightmare to deal with.

(http://memecrunch.com/meme/3RVKN/boo-this-man/image.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 06, 2015, 11:52:57 AM
I think it's hilarious that the year that Bosh was supposed to go back to being an alpha dog of his team, some random seven-footer shows up and disrupts everything.


Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 06, 2015, 11:54:55 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 06, 2015, 11:52:57 AM
I think it's hilarious that the year that Bosh was supposed to go back to being an alpha dog of his team, some random seven-footer shows up and disrupts everything.

I keep waiting for Whiteside to come back down the earth and he keeps putting up 14 and 20 with 4 blocks. At this point I'm not so sure he isn't the real deal now.

Edit: But his gains are clearly due to the NBA having all of about 5 real centers left.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: benjipwns on February 06, 2015, 06:38:25 PM
Whiteside's per minute rebounding and block numbers have always been insane at the NBA and D-League level. His total numbers in the D-League were like Wilt Chamberlain or something. Rebounding/blocks are two of the best per minute stats for staying consistent as minutes increases.

As Tyson Chandler, DeAndre Jordan, Andre Drummond, etc. have shown, you grab enough offensive boards and do pick and rolls and you can get double figures scoring pretty easily.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: benjipwns on February 06, 2015, 09:31:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1JR_IqbqYM

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: dkdk on February 06, 2015, 10:55:56 PM
(http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/v2_article_large/public/2012/03/31/256008-davis.jpg?itok=K-nswpwN)

w/ the game winner double clutch 3.

if i was russ i'd be ready to punch a hole in a wall. 48/9/11 and an L to that shit???
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 07, 2015, 02:31:01 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 06, 2015, 12:08:55 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 05, 2015, 10:09:48 PM
Well that was a dismantling of the clippers by the cavs.
d

Worse in person, trust me. Just got home and all I have to say is we fear nobody in the east. The west though...:whew

:foxx

(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--XdfoKDJO--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/rizqjdmhkkgcenb3pfoc.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 07, 2015, 02:42:44 AM
We'd smoke you guys. Our turn to go 20-0 breh.

Edit: went to bed sick....just saw we lost

:snoop
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2015, 07:27:20 AM
:umad

Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 07, 2015, 08:21:48 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2015, 07:27:20 AM
:umad

:snoop
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 07, 2015, 11:29:41 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on February 07, 2015, 10:21:32 AM
Hopefully the start of a nice losing streak for Cleveland. That win streak was one of the most annoying things to happen in recent years, right up there with the measles outbreak.

Unwritten Basketball Rule #1) Nobody gives a shit what Kobe Stans find offensive. Nobody.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Cheddahz on February 07, 2015, 11:39:05 AM
Charlotte (slowly) creeping up in the Eastern Conference standings
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: El Babua on February 07, 2015, 12:14:28 PM
There's not much point to tank for the Heat this season, unless they really TANK.

Just ride this crappy season out, ditch Cole, rebuild for 2016.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2015, 02:49:17 PM
http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2014/11/twitter-reacts-insensitively-to-norris-cole-giving-gay-friend-heat-tix/
:hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 07, 2015, 03:08:13 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 07, 2015, 08:21:48 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2015, 07:27:20 AM
:umad

:snoop

While you guys were busy losing to the Pacers (lol) my Hawks were just handling the Warriors. No big deal or anything.

:jawalrus
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2015, 04:10:52 PM
Hawks bodied the Warriors
 :brazilcry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2015, 04:53:13 PM
A Laker fan suggesting the league is rigged?
:leon

I wish etiolet was here to see this day
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 08, 2015, 09:52:49 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/isaiah_thomas/status/564285713416327168

:ohhh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: T-Short on February 08, 2015, 11:18:19 AM
just watched Pop The Trunk, they put up a nice list of people that currently do not have NBA contracts. some not too surprising, but some had me like, what?

(http://www.capitaltrachea.se/misc/nocontract.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: benjipwns on February 08, 2015, 04:42:52 PM
Some of those guys like Nate Robinson and Samuel Dalembert just got paid to go play for somebody else.

Everybody is probably waiting for after March 1st.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: benjipwns on February 09, 2015, 01:17:45 AM
Quote
Kevin Love was asked if he'd have interest in the Lakers: "I'm a Cleveland Cavalier." Any scenario where the Lakers would be an option: "No"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 09, 2015, 02:27:01 AM
The media should just say it him. "Kevin, we need you to go to New York or L.A. so we actually have a reason to cover them again."

Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 09, 2015, 02:41:08 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12299557/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers-fit-tweet-was-reference-kevin-love
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 09, 2015, 08:37:27 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 09, 2015, 02:41:08 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12299557/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers-fit-tweet-was-reference-kevin-love

I don't get NBA fans. First they say Lebron is too nice and not an effective leader, then he does something an effective leader would do and now he's getting hammered for it as well.

Leave the guy alone.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 09, 2015, 11:18:17 AM
(http://giant.gfycat.com/ClearcutBarrenJaeger.gif)

Piss off Pec? Not a good idea, rook.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2015, 11:26:38 AM
I don't think subliminal tweets are "leadership" but that's just me. To be fair, the same people criticizing this are the same people who deify Michael Jordan. IE the guy who talked shit about his team mates, didn't get them involved, was a dick, etc. LeBron doesn't do any of that and is a better person/teammate.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 09, 2015, 11:29:01 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2015, 11:26:38 AM
I don't think subliminal tweets are "leadership" but that's just me. To be fair, the same people criticizing this are the same people who deify Michael Jordan. IE the guy who talked shit about his team mates, didn't get them involved, was a dick, etc. LeBron doesn't do any of that and is a better person/teammate.

It's definitely leadership because it's really only subliminal to you. Love knew EXACTLY what Lebron meant as he used Love's own words when he made it. Love is a guy who wants to be admired, but to earn that he needs to be part of the team and not aloof as he has been all season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 09, 2015, 11:31:31 AM
I never really came at it from that angle of criticizing Lebron or not.

The more interesting part of it for me, was that this is confirmation that there was/is indeed a gulf or conflict or whatever you want to call it between Love and the team.   
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 09, 2015, 11:34:57 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 09, 2015, 11:31:31 AM
I never really came at it from that angle of criticizing Lebron or not.

The more interesting part of it for me, was that this is confirmation that there was/is indeed a gulf or conflict or whatever you want to call it between Love and the team.

I'm not sure if it's a "conflict" or a "personality difference" actually. Love is pretty low key and isn't very emotional and that can be taken as detached. I think Lebron is just saying "you're one of us man, come on and have some fun"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Beezy on February 09, 2015, 11:39:55 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 09, 2015, 11:18:17 AM
(http://giant.gfycat.com/ClearcutBarrenJaeger.gif)

Piss off Pec? Not a good idea, rook.
Huh? What did Wiggins do?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 09, 2015, 11:42:16 AM
Quote from: Beezy on February 09, 2015, 11:39:55 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 09, 2015, 11:18:17 AM
(http://giant.gfycat.com/ClearcutBarrenJaeger.gif)

Piss off Pec? Not a good idea, rook.
Huh? What did Wiggins do?

He kept sitting on the wing and not cutting during the game. Pek was trying to tell him to move his ass.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 09, 2015, 07:58:01 PM
Holy shit say hello to an espy nominee for sure

http://streamable.com/05a
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 10, 2015, 02:34:16 PM
Hear comes that trade deadline

Mo Williams to charlotte for Gary Neal, garbage J Jr, and a 2nd

Adreian Payne to Minnesota for a future first.


I think Payne might have a chance to shine for the wolves....he's an andre drummond type player with more speed. Could be an interesting pick up in my opinion.

ESPN says 6'10 245 but I'm going go ahead and say the old Spartan is more like 6'8 260
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 10, 2015, 03:02:06 PM
I hope Payne works out for the Wolves.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1947345-the-adreian-payne-story-how-michigan-state-star-became-the-ultimate-role-model

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRmUB_OwJS4
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 10, 2015, 04:11:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=LIvqed0QIkQ
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 10, 2015, 10:50:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWoKqrs7Emg

 :shaq
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 10, 2015, 11:01:25 PM
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/12307956/magic-johnson-rips-jim-buss-says-kobe-bryant-put-foot-down

You know I love Magic and everything but this blaming Jim Buss for everything that is going wrong with the Lakers is a bit much. You have a team that has an old over the hill superstar who you over-paid to keep to please the fanbase and people like Magic.

You brought in Byron Scott to please the fanbase and Magic who I would argue isn't the greatest coach in the nba.

So of course nobody wants to play with him free agent wise. Then your first round pick breaks his leg. I mean what have people expected out of these last few seasons. It's not like the Lakers are under-performing relative to the talent on their roster.

They took a shot a few years ago with Chris Paul. It was over-ruled. They took a shot with Dwight and Nash. It didn't work out. They've done about everything they could once you factor kobe on the team with a massive contract and until he and that contract are gone you can't do anything and you might as well be as terrible as possible.

Also I love the idea that Kobe should theaten to retire unless they do something. Fucking hilarious.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 10, 2015, 11:06:32 PM
It's totally correct. If Buss didn't felate Kobe's useless ass on the regular they'd be 3/4's of the way through a rebuild by now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 10, 2015, 11:11:03 PM
Fellating Kobe is what the fanbase wants (and presumably Magic) since all discussion about the future of the Lakers ended for the foreseeable future when they signed Kobe to that contract. The problem is the grip Kobe has on the franchise period. And Magic's advice is listen to Kobe more. It makes no sense.

It's fine to criticize the owner. But their criticisms are completely unrelated to the situation at hand once you factor in Kobe. The original sin is resigning Kobe for that contract. Everything after that is just dominoes falling. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 10, 2015, 11:42:04 PM
Speaking of hindsight it look like the Thunder are forever going to be famous for giving up the potential MVP of this season.


 :mouf

Harden
Points: 40
Reb: 12
Ast: 9
Stl: 3
Blk: 1

Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 11, 2015, 12:03:25 AM
Started him in my dranftkings game.

Everyone's money
           \/

:mouf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 11, 2015, 08:07:53 AM
http://fat.gfycat.com/FearlessPlushGopher.webm

:lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 11, 2015, 12:55:45 PM
Harden is my MVP this season.  Unreal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 11, 2015, 12:59:19 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 11, 2015, 12:55:45 PM
Harden is my MVP this season.  Unreal.

He's definitely up there.

It's definitely Harden, James, and Curry with James tailing at the break.

However the MVP of the last month is either Whiteside or Gordon's white ass. Both are balling over their heads.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 11, 2015, 02:53:43 PM
http://www.clickhole.com/article/lebron-james-vs-michael-jordan-definitive-head-hea-1339

:beli
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Your Stalker on February 11, 2015, 07:42:20 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/11/karl-malone-kobe-bryant-knuckle-up_n_6662044.html
 :gladbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 11, 2015, 08:17:33 PM
Haven't live blogged a game in a while so I think I'll do it with this Heat Cavs game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 11, 2015, 08:21:32 PM
I don't know if its the talent making him look good or he was always this pretty decent player (I never watched Denver) but god damn Mozgov impresses me every time I watch them. I originally thought those two round first picks they gave up for him were ridiculous but it just goes to show how much I know.

edit: Oh Lord Chris Broussard is the sideline reporter.

 :comeon
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 11, 2015, 08:25:51 PM
Love looking good early.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 11, 2015, 08:34:26 PM
38-18 in the first quarter for the Cavs.

Well this looks like a blowout already.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Bacchus7 on February 11, 2015, 08:50:39 PM
Mozgov has always had the chops.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2015, 09:12:39 PM
lots of pretty passing from the Cavs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 11, 2015, 09:42:35 PM
Still a Miami Fan so its a bit sad watching them so out-gunned.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 11, 2015, 10:31:56 PM
Easy win.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 11, 2015, 10:45:48 PM
Seems like 'the book' on Whiteside is going to be to apply early offensive pressure on him and get him in foul trouble. Dude hasn't learned how to defend smart. He wants all the blocks.



Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 11, 2015, 10:58:23 PM
The only thing Hassan Olajaside met at the rim tonight was realization that he can't keep his hands to himself.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 12, 2015, 11:02:35 AM
(http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/article/media_slots/photos/001/959/145/hi-res-4088c02f6e06f0ee5c1224399fb1587a_crop_exact.jpg?w=650&h=433&q=85)

 :sabu
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2015, 11:13:49 AM
Wade dressing like a stylish, regular man instead of this fruity "fashion" shit.
:obama
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Brehvolution on February 12, 2015, 11:52:34 AM
Wade didn't play? Just like old times. :aah
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: El Babua on February 12, 2015, 01:31:39 PM
:tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 12, 2015, 02:36:05 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 11, 2015, 02:53:43 PM
http://www.clickhole.com/article/lebron-james-vs-michael-jordan-definitive-head-hea-1339

:beli

Not sure what the problem is, seems like a very comprehensive matchup.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 12, 2015, 03:41:15 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12314808/michael-jordan-mike-reairing-all-star-weekend-celebrate-gatorade-50th-anniversary

Fucking LOVE it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 12, 2015, 06:52:38 PM
Final game before All-Star break. Cavs vs Bulls in Chicago tonight on tnt.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 12, 2015, 08:41:48 PM
Cavs on a back to back without Love, not looking too hot right now
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 12, 2015, 08:46:15 PM
Yeah I was gonna post the same. They don't look good tonight but it is a back to back and its going into the all star break.

Lebron is having one of those nights where he looks low energy and is being careless with the ball.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 12, 2015, 08:46:42 PM
Particularly Lebron.  He has looked terrible tonight.  Chucking outside bricks, careless turnovers.  Without Love as an outside threat, the Bulls are able to swarm Lebron when he comes into the paint and swat at the ball, or back off him on the perimeter  and hope he bricks.  Both are happening right now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 12, 2015, 09:09:40 PM
I thought it was just a new team and new situation but it really kind of feels like the first real signs of Lebron declining. He just can't bring it the same every night. I mean he can if he's rested or highly motivated but on nights like this sometimes it just isn't there. And the passes get a little lazy. The defense slacks, and he settles for a lot of jumpers. I thought it was just effort earlier in the season but I think its a larger issue of age.

Which is not to over-dramatize. He is still potentially the best player in the world if not top 2 or 3 depending on how on Davis or Durant are.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 12, 2015, 09:18:13 PM
Watch him go out and score 25 in the second half  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 13, 2015, 12:39:19 AM
First off: Rip a squad who's more focused on what beach they are going to this week brehs...we got this.

Second: Walrus you know sports about 1/25th as well as you know e-stalking gaffers...neither is much to brag about.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 13, 2015, 09:51:24 AM
stop being so goddamned easy to anger, lord
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Brehvolution on February 13, 2015, 01:39:30 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKSqfjaiB6k
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Beezy on February 13, 2015, 04:21:36 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 13, 2015, 09:51:24 AM
stop being so goddamned easy to anger, lord
Pot meet...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 13, 2015, 04:47:55 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on February 13, 2015, 04:34:43 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 13, 2015, 12:39:19 AM
First off: Rip a squad who's more focused on what beach they are going to this week brehs...we got this.

Second: Walrus you know sports about 1/25th as well as you know e-stalking gaffers...neither is much to brag about.

Come on, I'm probably the 3rd most knowledgeable on the board, 4th if Cormac returns.

Irrational hate /= knowledge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Your Stalker on February 13, 2015, 07:36:30 PM
Mo'ne Davis put Kevin Hart in the spin cycle.  :heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 13, 2015, 08:25:42 PM
Quote from: Beezy on February 13, 2015, 04:21:36 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 13, 2015, 09:51:24 AM
stop being so goddamned easy to anger, lord
Pot meet...

I hardly ever get pissy in this thread  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Beezy on February 13, 2015, 09:22:05 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 13, 2015, 08:25:42 PM
Quote from: Beezy on February 13, 2015, 04:21:36 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 13, 2015, 09:51:24 AM
stop being so goddamned easy to anger, lord
Pot meet...

I hardly ever get pissy in this thread  :lol
Not this thread, but I remember you getting pissed off in the fitness thread a lot. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 13, 2015, 11:44:36 PM
Only with the Business, but he's a cunt who beats people down for asking honest questions, so fuck him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: benjipwns on February 14, 2015, 03:30:35 AM
Saw Barkley's comments on stats. Amusingly "advanced stats" LOVE Barkley. 7th All-Time in ORtg, 11th All-Time in PER, 9th All-Time in Win Shares Per 48 Minutes, 3rd All-Time in Box Score Plus/Minus, 7th All-Time in TS%. 10th All-Time in OWS and 12th in WS despite a comparatively short career.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 14, 2015, 02:36:49 PM
Barkley has been horrible over the last 12 months. Between his asinine Michael Brown comments, the nonstop hating on DeMarcus Cousins and statistics...dude just sounds like a bitter old man.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 14, 2015, 04:37:02 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 14, 2015, 02:36:49 PM
dude just sounds like an old man.

Fixed.

That's what happens when you get older. But honestly he's no different than he's always been. I've never watched inside the NBA because its a "serious" take on basketball. You watch it because its like going to the barbershop. You hear occasionally interesting stuff. An occasionally sharp insight. But mostly a lot of bullshit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 14, 2015, 04:47:39 PM
Then I should infer from your dismissal of Charles that you are more basketball savvy than he is?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 14, 2015, 04:50:07 PM
You don't have to have played in the NBA to have an opinion on something. Not everything that drops from the mouth of a former player is a pearl of wisdom.

You could also flip that argument around around and say what does Charles know about team management or coaching since he's never done either.

(And isn't likely to be hired to do either anytime soon)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 14, 2015, 04:54:28 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 14, 2015, 04:50:07 PM
You don't have to have played in the NBA to have an opinion on something. Not everything that drops from the mouth of a former player is a pearl of wisdom.

You could also flip that argument around around and say what does Charles know about team management or coaching since he's never done either.

(And isn't likely to be hired to do either anytime soon)

I'm going to guess a guy who spends his life as a carpenter knows more about building a house than you do despite not being involved in all facets of the trade. Do you disagree?

Same point...the man has seen more front offices than you have. Give him some respect.

I'll always give you your opinion...but casting aspersions on character because of what he says when you know his job is to wild up the crowd is silly.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 14, 2015, 04:58:48 PM
In fair disclosure I should say that Chuck is a friend of mine and you can go ahead and shut up preemptively, Brand new.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 14, 2015, 05:06:07 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 14, 2015, 04:54:28 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 14, 2015, 04:50:07 PM
You don't have to have played in the NBA to have an opinion on something. Not everything that drops from the mouth of a former player is a pearl of wisdom.

You could also flip that argument around around and say what does Charles know about team management or coaching since he's never done either.

(And isn't likely to be hired to do either anytime soon)

I'm going to guess a guy who spends his life as a carpenter knows more about building a house than you do despite not being involved in all facets of the trade. Do you disagree?

Same point...the man has seen more front offices than you have. Give him some respect.

I'll always give you your opinion...but casting aspersions on character because of what he says when you know his job is to wild up the crowd is silly.

There are plenty of former players who are gm's or coaches who use analytics as a tool along with other tools. The difference is that theIR opinion is balanced and not extreme like Charles plus they actually do the job that charles doesn't. Charles job is commentating on basketball and making it entertaining. He is often wrong. Wrong about which team is going to win the title. Wrong about his analysis on why a team is or isn't going to win. Wrong about certain player evaluations where he will say one thing and then 12 months down the road reverse course without ever admitting he was wrong in the first place. Which is fine. His job is being an entertainer when it comes to a basketball show. Not evaluating talent and running a team for which he would be held accountable.

I like Charles. He is probably an amazingly fun person to hang around. He also was a phenomenal player. And he is a great entertainer on Inside the NBA. But his blanket dismissal of analytics is dumb. And is proven wrong each and every day by the way the NBA does its business.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 14, 2015, 05:08:47 PM
Good chat...I'm stoned with my dude in this cabin in the middle of a blizzard while the girls are out getting drinks for us. Ignore me my head ain't right  :dayum
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 14, 2015, 05:10:52 PM
http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=12324862

Know how I know he really does care?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: benjipwns on February 14, 2015, 07:03:08 PM
Barkley has admitted he doesn't even really watch the games TNT is broadcasting. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2015, 12:59:15 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQgTnnOxoT4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnxCNUu-Vcc
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 15, 2015, 01:12:48 AM
Damn, those first two dunks were amazing. Haven't been awed by a dunk since Vince Carter was in his prime.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2015, 01:26:16 AM
Yeah it was nice to see legit real dunking win a dunk contest for once.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: eleuin on February 15, 2015, 03:01:00 AM
Whats crazy about those dunks besides how effortless he made them look is that for the most part they were variations of between the legs
Guy's done shit like this

(https://38.media.tumblr.com/a3bcbf8fbb83488c4a06a6684c485306/tumblr_nbx3xm4Pul1qcmnsoo4_r1_250.gif)
 :whoo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 15, 2015, 12:58:01 PM
Good thing I watched the contest muted at my local bar, because Kenny and Reggie's commentary was being broadcasted on air AND in the arena.  :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2015, 05:29:40 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/allstar2015/story/_/id/12330540/kevin-durant-oklahoma-city-thunder-takes-aim-media

Not saying he doesn't have the right to be annoyed by the media but I'm also not sure what he's so mad about. If ever an athlete was treated with kid gloves from the press, its been Durant.

Compare his treatment versus someone like Lebron yet, outside of pockets of being angry Lebron has held up pretty well.

There seems to be this new thing with the new athletes where there is a lot of anger at the media. And there are plenty of reasons to think sports media sucks, but its this formless sort of anger that doesn't really seem to make sense in some cases or at least its not being explained very well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 15, 2015, 05:52:15 PM
Durant has been acting like such a petulant cunt this year, it's getting fucking tiring.  Dude talks so much shit and gets pissy when people talk back.

Kind of over him, to be honest.  Lebron is always a consummate professional outside of a few puzzling instances (the Kevin Love tweet being one of them).
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2015, 05:54:02 PM
My problem with sports media is the entitlement that comes with what really is not a journalism medium anymore. Sports newspaper media has survived by moving online, and in order to do that they have compromised some standards. Your website and article needs clicks, and what we've seen are articles that might as well be shock jock tripe or asinine concern trolling. And forcefully making non-stories into "team distractions."

The Marshawn Lynch thing really put it in perspective for me. At one point during SB media day a reporter asked Lynch if he thought he deserved to be in the Hall Of Fame. It was a pretty blatant threat - "continue to treat us like shit and you might never be voted into the HoF." I'm not saying every reporter is like that but I see way too many examples of reporters essentially inserting themselves into the news.

On the other hand, I don't think players are completely innocent here. I get the impression many are caught up in the idea of haters. IE if someone criticizes you or writes something non-positive, they must have an agenda or dislike you or whatever.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2015, 08:15:06 PM
lulz. As soon as the show started with this new york theme, I wondered if they would have Nas on. Yep.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Your Stalker on February 15, 2015, 08:35:08 PM
https://twitter.com/desusnice/status/567133724719206400
Quote
@desusnice

Canada's national anthem is so calm n beautiful while ours is basically white ppl drill music.
:sabu
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2015, 08:48:49 PM
Looks like Lebron wants MVP
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2015, 08:50:15 PM
lol at his blown dunk though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 15, 2015, 09:00:13 PM
Durant, like Lebron, really doesn't play the asshole role well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2015, 09:12:38 PM
 :goty2

Westbrook.


Game gets worse every year.

I almost wish they would attach something stupidly significant to the game so that players took it slightly serious even though that's an awful idea.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2015, 09:39:12 PM
Close game at half. Time to go skip the halftime music show.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 15, 2015, 09:39:29 PM
Finals home advantage, do it.  Players would actually give a shit.  Conference winner gets the 3-2-1-1-1 advantage
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2015, 09:42:40 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 15, 2015, 09:39:29 PM
Finals home advantage, do it.  Players would actually give a shit.  Conference winner gets the 3-2-1-1-1 advantage

I would hate it, but sadly I do think it would make the All-Star game an actual watchable product.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2015, 10:17:52 PM
Intensity has picked up a little which is nice as sometimes it doesn't until late in the 4th quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2015, 10:45:41 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2015, 09:12:38 PM
:goty2

Westbrook.


Game gets worse every year.

I almost wish they would attach something stupidly significant to the game so that players took it slightly serious even though that's an awful idea.

What about a draft? Fan votes determine All Stars, and the top two vote receivers get to pick who they want on their team. Use some type of skill test to determine who gets to pick first. That would increase the drama and create an opportunity for some crazy lineups.

Each member of the winning team gets something - like a car or watch or some shit. And to counter balance things, the teams would also make some type of charity bet. IE whoever loses donates x to a charity of the winning team's choice.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: benjipwns on February 15, 2015, 10:57:50 PM
https://twitter.com/realskipbayless/status/567152112006889472
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star Weekend Feb 13-15)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2015, 11:19:16 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2015, 10:45:41 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2015, 09:12:38 PM
:goty2

Westbrook.


Game gets worse every year.

I almost wish they would attach something stupidly significant to the game so that players took it slightly serious even though that's an awful idea.

What about a draft? Fan votes determine All Stars, and the top two vote receivers get to pick who they want on their team. Use some type of skill test to determine who gets to pick first. That would increase the drama and create an opportunity for some crazy lineups.

Each member of the winning team gets something - like a car or watch or some shit. And to counter balance things, the teams would also make some type of charity bet. IE whoever loses donates x to a charity of the winning team's choice.

it's probably just a lost cause at this point. The season is so long. And the stakes for winning so high that nobody wants to overly exert themselves. It may have worked in the past but today it's more about a party than a compeititive event.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season resumes Feb 19)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2015, 11:42:24 PM
Quote
he New York Knicks agreed to a buyout with forward Amar'e Stoudemire on Sunday night, the New York Daily News has reported, as they continued with team business despite playing as hosts to the All-Star Game.

The Dallas Mavericks will be considered front-runners to sign the 13-year veteran, league sources told ESPN.com's Tim MacMahon and Marc Stein last week.

Stoudemire, who is in the final season of a five-year, $99.7 million contract with the Knicks, had said he would spend the All-Star break pondering his future, specifically whether to ask the last-place Knicks for a buyout to give himself an opportunity to join a team in the playoff hunt.

"It's not an easy decision to make," Stoudemire told Yahoo! Sports. "Over time, we will see how things pan out. You give yourself a break during the All-Star break. You think about it with your family. ... That will give me a good solid week on how to weigh out the rest of the season."

Dallas has been exploring various options to add frontcourt depth after giving up key reserves Brandan Wright and Jae Crowder in the December trade with Boston for Rajon Rondo.

The Mavs can only offer Stoudemire the veteran's minimum, but he would likely have a significant role off the bench, as a candidate for minutes at power forward and center behind Dirk Nowitzki and Tyson Chandler.

The 6-foot-10 Stoudemire, a six-time All-Star, has averaged 12.1 points and 6.9 rebounds in 33 games for the Knicks this season despite dealing with a variety of injuries. He missed 14 of the previous 18 games -- due to ankle, wrist and knee injuries -- before returning in Friday night's 92-88 loss to the Brooklyn Nets.

Stoudemire, 32, has said the decision to request a buyout would be difficult because of his loyalty to Knicks owner Jim Dolan. But he likewise acknowledged in the Yahoo! interview that the constant losing has made it hard for him to remain motivated while playing for the Knicks.

The Mavs are 34-18 and in sixth place in the Western Conference, likely headed to the playoffs for the 14th time in 15 seasons. The Los Angeles Clippers (33-18) are another West playoff contender expected to have interest in Stoudemire, with Clippers coach and president of basketball operations Doc Rivers saying recently that his team would be active in the buyout market.

"All possibilities at this point are still open," Stoudemire said this week. "The door is still open for that. But at the same time, I am with the Knicks now. I got to stay optimistic about things and what we are doing here. I can't really focus on the future, because it's not here.

"We still have a couple weeks left before it's all said and done. It's a decision I have to make with my family to figure out the best scenario for the near future."

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/12332135/new-york-knicks-amare-stoudemire-agree-buyout
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season resumes Feb 19)
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 16, 2015, 01:01:31 AM
I almost think you need to tape the all-star game, then edit it into a watchable product. There's just too many missed shots, sloppy defense and traveling in between the cool stuff to keep a viewer engaged. Also sweeten up that crowd noise because the game sounds like they are playing in an empty auditorium.

It would never happen, but all three major sports would benefit from a setup like that. If I knew it was going to be 2 1/2 hours long ( tops) and I would see all the good stuff that happened, I would be there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season resumes Feb 19)
Post by: benjipwns on February 16, 2015, 01:05:20 AM
Too many basketball broadcasts strip out lots of the crowd noise, I think it's exacerbated in the All-Star stuff because nobody actually is excited or cheering about it.

I remember when Sean Elliott toed the baseline to hit that three against the Blazers in the playoffs and you could barely hear NBC's announcers over the Alamodome's crowd. Last time I really remember that during a broadcast.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season resumes Feb 19)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 16, 2015, 01:11:43 AM
As everybody says baseball is the only All-Star games that makes at least a little sense in the modern era because of the number of players and because the sport doesn't require a huge expenditure of effort with that many players under normal circumstances.

Football and basketball are crap because it doesn't make sense economically or stakes wise for the game to count and for effort to be given. And realistically, I'm probably fine with it that way. It's the cost of doing business.

I miss that the All-Star games when I was a kid had a bit more effort in them but whatever. Things change.

If I was picking what in an ideal world would be better, I'd rather see a 3-3 or 2-2, 21 mini-tournament between the top players. That would be a lot more fun and actually might get their competitive fires stoked more. It's not likely to happen because of the same problems with effort and getting hurt but that would be more entertaining for me to watch than an All-Star game.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season resumes Feb 19)
Post by: benjipwns on February 16, 2015, 01:23:23 AM
They should set a years cap or years in a row cap. LeBron, for example, used to always make All-Star games a place to try and show off and stuff, now he just plays it slightly more loose than a normal game. Shaq was really the only guy who didn't just go through the motions as he got older.

They need guys who will respond to dumb call outs and stuff, like Kobe with Jordan, or Shaq when he was trying to do crossovers against everyone.

Doesn't need to be the Globetrotters or anything but the Gasol brothers could jack some threes or go at each other like they were guards or something out of the norm like that.

Or make the ASG like some silly wrestling plotline.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season resumes Feb 19)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 16, 2015, 09:40:01 AM
I'd say football has the worst all-star game due to worries about injuries and the timing of the game (right before the Super Bowl). Multiple players simply refuse to play, and of course if your team is preparing for the Super Bowl you aren't going to play either.

Basketball is less dangerous injury wise, all the major stars play in the game...I just think the problem lies in incentive and set up. East v West is boring when there's no incentive: at least in baseball playoff home field advantage is at stake. I doubt that would be a good idea for the NBA though.

Having a player draft is a great idea imo. Still dunno what the best incentive would be though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season resumes Feb 19)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 16, 2015, 09:44:11 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 16, 2015, 09:40:01 AM
I'd say football has the worst all-star game due to worries about injuries and the timing of the game (right before the Super Bowl). Multiple players simply refuse to play, and of course if your team is preparing for the Super Bowl you aren't going to play either.

Basketball is less dangerous injury wise, all the major stars play in the game...I just think the problem lies in incentive and set up. East v West is boring when there's no incentive: at least in baseball playoff home field advantage is at stake. I doubt that would be a good idea for the NBA though.

Having a player draft is a great idea imo. Still dunno what the best incentive would be though.

Have a draft.....Give each winning player 1 million and the losing players 25k. I assure you that shit would bring out some real competition and the NBA can definitely afford it.

I'm not a fan of having a playoff series home field advantage decided by an all-star game myself.


As for the NFL...they need to dispense with the pro bowl and bring back skills competitions like when I was a kid.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season resumes Feb 19)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 16, 2015, 09:50:39 AM
I'd imagine the negative could be that making it about money might turn off some fans/garner bad press. But then again adding some type of charity tie-in could fix it.

Definitely agree on the Pro Bowl. No one cares about the game (smh @ fellow Lions fans trying to act like Stafford getting the MVP matters). However skills competitions would be cool. Of course it could also lead to injuries, depending on the type of competitions.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season resumes Feb 19)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 16, 2015, 09:52:36 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 16, 2015, 09:50:39 AM
I'd imagine the negative could be that making it about money might turn off some fans/garner bad press. But then again adding some type of charity tie-in could fix it.

Definitely agree on the Pro Bowl. No one cares about the game (smh @ fellow Lions fans trying to act like Stafford getting the MVP matters). However skills competitions would be cool. Of course it could also lead to injuries, depending on the type of competitions.

Would need the following events imo

40 yard dash (NFL's fastest man)
QB accuracy (with the moving targets)
WR catching balls type game
Who hits with the most power (with a dummy wired up like sports science)
Longest field goal
etc.

Less of a chance of injuries doing that then playing not to get hurt in that stupid pro bowl.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season resumes Feb 19)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 16, 2015, 10:05:17 AM
Yup. I suppose there's a bit of risk in tearing your ACL in a 40yd dash, but that's  rare (has it ever happened in the combine?).
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season resumes Feb 19)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 16, 2015, 10:07:46 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 16, 2015, 10:05:17 AM
Yup. I suppose there's a bit of risk in tearing your ACL in a 40yd dash, but that's  rare (has it ever happened in the combine?).

I tore my calf running a 40 about 3 years ago

:snoop
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season resumes Feb 19)
Post by: dkdk on February 16, 2015, 11:35:01 AM
I think the ASG is boring largely because of the personalities in it right now. Curry and Westbrook were really the only people trying impressive things. I thought Kyrie wouldve went harder. Rest of these cats arent trying to go hard on each other like the early 00s stars.

If theyre not gonna play hard then they can at least bring out some playground dribbles and have in-game battles. Watching them jack up 3s is boring as fuck. I don't expect them to play hard but at least put on a show.

Now the pro bowl can hit the bushes. That shit sucks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season resumes Feb 19)
Post by: Brehvolution on February 16, 2015, 01:06:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riGAFXmsdzY#t=15
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season resumes Feb 19)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 16, 2015, 01:30:54 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12332804/milwaukee-bucks-larry-sanders-begin-buyout-talks

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Buyout discussions have begun between the Milwaukee Bucks and Larry Sanders that would make the recently suspended big man a free agent, according to league sources.

Sanders has served a 10-game suspension for violating the league's anti-drug program but has not returned to the team and is not expected to play for Milwaukee again. He has been listed as out for "personal reasons" in each of the Bucks' past three games.

The 26-year-old has been adamant that he wants to resume his NBA career despite the personal struggles that have resulted in two league suspensions in less than a year.

"Soon you all will know the truth," Sanders tweeted last week.

When asked last week about Sanders' status, Bucks coach Jason Kidd told local reporters: "That will be determined during the break."

Because of thumb and eye injuries -- as well as suspensions -- Sanders has appeared in just 50 games for Milwaukee since landing a four-year, $44 million contract extension during the summer of 2013.

He's been one of the league's most impactful defensive big men when he's been on the floor, but the surprising Bucks -- off to a 30-23 start under Kidd -- have coped well without him this season, posting a 12-7 record in those games while relying on the likes of John Henson, Ersan Ilyasova, Zaza Pachulia and the recently signed Kenyon Martin.

NBA players don't face suspensions for violating the league's anti-drug policy until their third such violation. Sanders was suspended for the final five games of the 2013-14 season and, through the most recent suspension, forfeited more than $1 million of his $11 million salary this season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season resumes Feb 19)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 16, 2015, 01:31:52 PM
I will laugh hard at whatever teams brings that poison into their lineup. He's another Odom. To the bushes with him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season resumes Feb 19)
Post by: Cheddahz on February 16, 2015, 09:44:25 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9_8wUqCYAAndsM.jpg)

 :holeup :holeup
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season resumes Feb 19)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 17, 2015, 12:51:37 AM
http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/12335769/amare-stoudemire-commits-join-dallas-mavericks


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DALLAS -- Amar'e Stoudemire has committed to joining the Dallas Mavericks, according to league sources, giving him a chance to compete for a championship and adding much-needed frontcourt depth to a Western Conference contender's bench.

Stoudemire, who negotiated a buyout with the New York Knicks over the weekend and was officially waived Monday, committed to the Mavs for the remainder of the season on Monday.

The contract will not become official until Stoudemire clears waivers on Wednesday at 5 p.m. ET, making him a free agent. His $23.4 million salary essentially makes the waivers process a mere formality.

RealGM.com earlier reported Stoudemire's commitment to the Mavs.

The Los Angeles Clippers and the Phoenix Suns were among the playoff contenders who expressed interest in Stoudemire, a six-time All-Star who averaged 12 points and 6.8 rebounds in 36 games with the Knicks this season.

However, as ESPN.com reported earlier this month, the Mavs were the front-runners for Stoudemire's services all along.

Stoudemire, 32, has stated a desire to compete for a championship and will get that opportunity with the Mavs, who are fifth in the West with a 36-19 record. That was his reason for requesting a buyout from the Knicks, who have the NBA's worst record at 10-43.

"I feel truly blessed to have been able to play for the incredible New York fans, Mr. Dolan, my coaches, teammates and the entire Knicks organization for the past five years," Stoudemire said in a statement released by the team. "I will be forever grateful for the opportunity to contribute positively on the court and in the community.

"Although I leave the Knicks with a heavy heart, I wish the organization the best of luck. Once a Knick always a Knick."

The Mavs could only offer the prorated veteran's minimum to Stoudemire, who was in the final season of a five-year, $99.7 million deal with the Knicks.

Dallas was attractive to Stoudmire in part because of a pick-and-roll-intensive offense that plays to his strengths. The Mavs also have a highly respected medical staff, led by Team USA athletic trainer Casey Smith, that will maximize Stoudemire's chances of staying healthy for the stretch run and playoffs while dealing with chronic knee problems.

The Mavs envision Stoudemire as a key bench player who will back up center Tyson Chandler and also see spot duty at power forward behind Dirk Nowitzki. He will provide the Mavs with a quality replacement for Brandan Wright, the high-efficiency reserve big man the Mavs gave up in the December deal to acquire Rajon Rondo.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season resumes Feb 19)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 17, 2015, 03:22:53 AM
Kobe gave a long interview to NBA TV recently.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k4fQ5zx66Dt76qa9SfE


Some clips from it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTfVDghZUQQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqfvludx5SI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo52SW9kJpA
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season resumes Feb 19)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 18, 2015, 01:05:10 PM
Trade Deadline hits tomorrow.

Big news stories seem to be Dragic wants out of Phoenix.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2015/02/17/goran-dragic-suns/23591221/

Ray Allen finally close to a decision

http://defpenradio.com/report-ray-allen-seen-in-cleveland-decision-could-happen-soon/

And maybe Joe Johnson to Detroit

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/12339681/detroit-pistons-inquire-brooklyn-nets-swingman-joe-johnson
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season resumes Feb 19)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 18, 2015, 01:05:49 PM
Ray Allen is/was in Cleveland last I heard. We're going to sign him but we don't really need him.

:yeshrug

edit: link

http://defpenradio.com/report-ray-allen-seen-in-cleveland-decision-could-happen-soon/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season resumes Feb 19)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 18, 2015, 01:33:25 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on February 18, 2015, 01:29:22 PM
Kind of sad to see Ray Allen end his career as little more than a LeBron jock-rider.

Better than clinging to Kobe's 40 year old nuts.

:umad
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season resumes Feb 19)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 18, 2015, 06:11:22 PM
If Allen just wants a ring, Memphis probably would've been his best decision.  But Cleveland wasn't bad either.  I think Cleveland needs another shooter off the bench
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season resumes Feb 19)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 18, 2015, 11:31:33 PM
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/236679/Kevin-Durant-I-Could-Have-Easily-Wanted-Out


Seems like Durant is definitely gone in 2016.


Not that there is anything wrong with that.


Also Reggie Jackson wants out.


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--agent-for-thunder-guard-reggie-jackson-has-asked-team-for-a-trade-175504732.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season resumes Feb 19)
Post by: benjipwns on February 19, 2015, 04:52:35 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12346238/minnesota-timberwolves-interested-re-acquiring-kevin-garnett
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The Minnesota Timberwolves ‎are making an 11th-hour push before Thursday's trade deadline to try to reacquire Wolves legend Kevin Garnett in a swap that would send Thaddeus Young to Brooklyn, ESPN.com has learned.

Sources told ESPN.com the sides have engaged in serious discussions on the deal, which would ultimately require Garnett's approval even if the teams agree before Thursday's 3 p.m. deadline, since Garnett possesses one of the NBA's six full no-trade clauses.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season resumes Feb 19)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 19, 2015, 06:14:18 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on February 18, 2015, 11:34:07 PM
Durant + Anthony Davis + Julius Randle + 2015 top 5 pick + vet's min 38 year old Kobe = title.

You're delusional.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season resumes Feb 19)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 19, 2015, 09:17:41 AM
https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/568409779435143169

:mindblown

Huh, why would you trade Thad Young for Kevin Garnett's bones?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season resumes Feb 19)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 19, 2015, 12:05:13 PM
lot of moves going on

Afflalo to Portland
Ramon Sessions traded to Washington for Andre Miller
Javale McGee goes to Philly

Denver embracing the tank
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season resumes Feb 19)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 19, 2015, 02:49:17 PM
Good article on what it's like to be traded 6 times and play for 10 different teams in your career. I couldn't even imagine man.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2353462-life-as-an-nba-asset

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season resumes Feb 19)
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 19, 2015, 03:04:21 PM
The only name of consequence is Dragic, but looks like he isn't going anywhere.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season resumes Feb 19)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 19, 2015, 03:04:53 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 19, 2015, 03:04:21 PM
The only name of consequence is Dragic, but looks like he isn't going anywhere.

He fucked himself over by running his mouth the last few days.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season resumes Feb 19)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 19, 2015, 03:13:52 PM
Dragic to Heat.

Nice.


http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12348588/phoenix-suns-trade-goran-dragic-miami-heat
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season resumes Feb 19)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 19, 2015, 03:19:17 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 19, 2015, 03:13:52 PM
Dragic to Heat.

Nice.


http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12348588/phoenix-suns-trade-goran-dragic-miami-heat

Did they blow 2 firsts on him?

I mean, he's better than what they've got but he's pushing 30, couldn't defend my grandmother, and has what is clearly a snarky attitude. Miami going all in to get eliminated in the first round I guess.

:yeshrug

Also, KG is back in Minny.....bad trade imo.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12348557/kevin-garnett-traded-brooklyn-nets-back-minnesota-timberwolves

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dragic to Heat)
Post by: El Babua on February 19, 2015, 03:19:42 PM
 :obama

Now ditch Cole and we may just finish at the 7th seed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season resumes Feb 19)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 19, 2015, 03:23:16 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 19, 2015, 03:19:17 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 19, 2015, 03:13:52 PM
Dragic to Heat.

Nice.


http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12348588/phoenix-suns-trade-goran-dragic-miami-heat

Did they blow 2 firsts on him?

I mean, he's better than what they've got but he's pushing 30, couldn't defend my grandmother, and has what is clearly a snarky attitude. Miami going all in to get eliminated in the first round I guess.

:yeshrug

Also, KG is back in Minny.....bad trade imo.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12348557/kevin-garnett-traded-brooklyn-nets-back-minnesota-timberwolves

Imo the heat had to go in. They are a team that has Bosh and Wade signed to long term contracts. They wouldn't have been able to tank properly anyway. When Lebron left they could have embraced the tank and not signed Bosh but once they did, they were forced to try to be a good team.

In a league where tanking is so easy and often makes sense, I kinda applaud them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season resumes Feb 19)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 19, 2015, 03:24:46 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 19, 2015, 03:23:16 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 19, 2015, 03:19:17 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 19, 2015, 03:13:52 PM
Dragic to Heat.

Nice.


http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12348588/phoenix-suns-trade-goran-dragic-miami-heat

Did they blow 2 firsts on him?

I mean, he's better than what they've got but he's pushing 30, couldn't defend my grandmother, and has what is clearly a snarky attitude. Miami going all in to get eliminated in the first round I guess.

:yeshrug

Also, KG is back in Minny.....bad trade imo.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12348557/kevin-garnett-traded-brooklyn-nets-back-minnesota-timberwolves

Imo the heat had to go in. They are a team that has Bosh and Wade signed to long term contracts. They wouldn't have been able to tank properly anyway. When Lebron they could have embraced the tank and not signed Bosh but once they did, they were forced to try to be a good team.

In a league where tanking is so easy and often makes sense, I kinda applaud them.

Seems like an awfully steep price to be a fringe playoff team and no threat to come out of the opening round. Couple that with the fact this is a 1/2 season rental and I can't give it a thumbs up.

But Riley might know something we don't to be fair.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dragic to Heat)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 19, 2015, 03:30:21 PM
Legit Woj twitter?

https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA


If so like fucking 15 people just got traded, fuck.


The big one is

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA  ·  1m 1 minute ago

Yahoo Sources: Oklahoma acquires Utah's Enes Kanter, sends Reggie Jackson to Detroit. http://yhoo.it/17hVzZa
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dragic to Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 19, 2015, 03:31:47 PM
Quote
Source: Miami sends Danny Granger, Norris Cole, Shawne Williams, Jordan Hamilton and two first-round picks to the Suns for Dragic brothers.

Also looks like Reggie Jackson got traded from OKC


Nice. I like it when actual trades happen in the sport. Makes things more interesting.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dragic to Heat)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 19, 2015, 03:32:35 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA  ·  24m 24 minutes ago

Sources: As part of Brandon Knight trade, Milwaukee gets Michael Carter-Williams, Tyler Ennis and Miles Plumlee.

Fuck NBA went ham last 10 minutes brehs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dragic to Heat)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 19, 2015, 03:33:29 PM

Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account
‏@WojYahooNBA

For Isaiah Thomas, Boston will send Marcus Thornton and a 2016 first-round pick via Cleveland to Phoenix, league source tells Yahoo Sports.

FUCK, this is nuts.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dragic to Heat)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 19, 2015, 03:36:03 PM
 
Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account
‏@WojYahooNBA
Philadelphia has traded K.J. McDaniels to Houston for Isaiah Canaan and a second round pick, league source tells Yahoo Sports. Follow


Okay, this one makes no fucking sense. The fuck?
 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dragic to Heat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 19, 2015, 03:36:40 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 19, 2015, 03:32:35 PM
Fuck NBA went ham last 10 minutes brehs.

I love it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dragic to Heat)
Post by: T-Short on February 19, 2015, 03:37:01 PM
Uh lol. Pistons just reacquired Tayshaun Prince from Celtics for Jonas Jerebko and Gigi Datome. Also apparently both DJ Augustin and Kyle Singler to Thunder? lol? So who is Pistons starting PG now, John Lucas III on a 10-day contract?

Oh, they got Reggie. I missed that, derp
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Dragic to Heat)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 19, 2015, 03:38:02 PM
Woj earning that $$$$ today. Even he had to stop and say "Holy Shit" in the middle of the activity.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Trade-Aplooza!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 19, 2015, 03:41:05 PM
Happy for Michael Carter Williams that he gets to get out of that Philly Shit-hole.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Trade-Aplooza!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 19, 2015, 03:41:36 PM
Thunder got DJ Augustine too, jesus christ

They're trying to prove to KD that they can fucks with the rest of the NBA.  Thunder going to make a strong push in the late part of the season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Trade-Aplooza!)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 19, 2015, 03:42:49 PM
I have never seen anything like this. I will need a goddamn tri-fold to understand who went where for Friday...shit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Trade-Aplooza!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 19, 2015, 03:53:30 PM
Heat looking pretty gnarly right now, too:

Dragic
Wade
Deng
Bosh
Whiteside

Chalmers
McBob
Birdman
Haslem
scrub #5

Not bad.  Definitely strong enough to be a 7 or 8 seed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Trade-Aplooza!)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 19, 2015, 03:54:07 PM
I guess Perkins is going to get cut after the trade goes through and is coming to Cleveland.

meh.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Trade-Aplooza!)
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 19, 2015, 03:56:19 PM
I hate Perkins.



Can't wait to hear the Lebatard podcast tonight.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Trade-Aplooza!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 19, 2015, 03:58:05 PM
I don't think anybody likes Perkin's game but the real problem was his role was too much on OKC. I think going forward for whatever team he plays for, his role will be much less. And he will probably be "ok" for that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Trade-Aplooza!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 19, 2015, 04:17:28 PM
I don't hate Perkins.  He's apparently a very solid teammate, and teams hate seeing him leave.  He's not a great player, but he's got size.  If Cleveland can get him for his D, I'd take that opportunity.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Trade-Aplooza!)
Post by: benjipwns on February 19, 2015, 07:16:19 PM
dat Thunder haul  :whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Trade-Aplooza!)
Post by: benjipwns on February 19, 2015, 07:36:51 PM
Quote
Philadelphia acquires: C JaVale McGee, 2015 Oklahoma City first-round pick (top-18 protected), rights to F Chukwudiebere Maduabum

Denver acquires: Rights to G/F Cenk Akyol
:gladbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Trade-Aplooza!)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 19, 2015, 08:09:19 PM
My dude is averaging 6.5 points a game in the French league. Great name...no game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Trade-Aplooza!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 20, 2015, 01:39:31 AM
Clippers v Spurs was a great game
:whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Trade-Aplooza!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 20, 2015, 10:48:40 AM
Quote
Doctors treating Miami Heat star forward Chris Bosh are concerned he may have developed a blood clot in his lung but are still waiting for tests to make a diagnosis, sources confirmed to ESPN.com.

The Miami Herald first reported on Friday that Bosh could miss the remainder of the season if he was found to have blood clots in his lung.

The medication required to treat such a condition typically requires at least six months of limited physical activity.

Blood clots are always a serious condition, but this is a particularly scary moment for Bosh and the NBA after former Portland Trail Blazers star Jerome Kersey died suddenly of a blood clot in his lung earlier this week.

Bosh was admitted to a Miami-area hospital on Thursday after complaining about discomfort in his chest for several days.

Heat coach Erik Spoelstra said at Thursday afternoon's practice that Bosh was "under the weather" but offered no specifics.

Miami plays at New York on Friday night. Bosh did not fly with the team Thursday.

Bosh is averaging 21.1 points and 7.0 rebounds this season.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12352792/miami-heat-star-chris-bosh-miss-rest-season-following-tests-lungs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Trade-Aplooza!)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 20, 2015, 10:49:43 AM
2 things

1) Blood clots ain't nothing to fuck with...one just killed Jerome Kearsey this week.

2) Hassan Whiteside about to ball out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Trade-Aplooza!)
Post by: Brehvolution on February 20, 2015, 02:51:12 PM
http://deadspin.com/the-76ers-might-have-also-traded-away-their-heating-sys-1687025557
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Trade-Aplooza!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 20, 2015, 06:22:13 PM
Quote
Chris Bosh update: The problem is actually blood clots in both lungs. Further testing is being done. He's currently resting in hospital.
Reply Retweet

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Spoelstra said Bosh situation not life threatening. "And that's the most important thing."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Trade-Aplooza!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 21, 2015, 01:38:13 PM
Cavs won in a blowout last night but

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7TnbhJr8iY
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 21, 2015, 02:18:23 PM
Scoreboard, breh. Don't hate, participate.

And that wasn't a blowout it was advanced notice that they can stop thinking about the playoffs. Toronto and fraudlanta are next.

We are getting better.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 21, 2015, 05:21:48 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on February 21, 2015, 04:40:53 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 21, 2015, 02:18:23 PM
Scoreboard, breh. Don't hate, participate.

And that wasn't a blowout it was advanced notice that they can stop thinking about the playoffs. Toronto and fraudlanta are next.

We are getting better.

Atlanta takes you guys out in 5.

If I want to know who is being the biggest dick on GAF...you're my guy. Sports though? :ufup
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 21, 2015, 05:44:08 PM
Cavs won't beat the Hawks, let's be real
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 21, 2015, 05:52:27 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 21, 2015, 05:44:08 PM
Cavs won't beat the Hawks, let's be real
t

Are you trolling or insane? Cavs beat hawks in 5.

Lebron is worth any 2 of them you want to throw out and we beat them without him already this year lol.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 21, 2015, 06:28:44 PM
http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=12359574

Perkins to Cleveland official.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 21, 2015, 10:30:48 PM
Losers Guide to Winning
Or: How one analytics-mad franchise learned to stop worrying and love the bomb (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12318808/the-philadelphia-76ers-radical-guide-winning)
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On draft day 2013, when Hinkie agreed to trade Jrue Holiday, a 23-year-old All-Star, for Nerlens Noel and a protected 2014 first-rounder, a rival Eastern Conference GM turned to his war room and declared: "They're crazy." Thaddeus Young, then a Sixers forward, tweeted one word: "OMG."

If the Sixers were trying to contend in the first year of Hinkie's tenure, these would be logical responses. But they weren't. And the fact that Noel had torn his left ACL four months earlier presented Philly with a two-pronged opportunity that no one else had the stomach to pursue. There was the price of the big man's talent, which was now discounted because of injury. (Noel had once been the projected top pick.) Then there was the injury timetable, which was now that much more palatable because, well, the Sixers had designs on the lottery in 2014 too. (Hinkie put Noel on what can only be called a "conservative" rehab program, sitting him all season as the team went 19-63.)

So when the 2014 draft came along and the Sixers had the No. 3 pick, perhaps it shouldn't have been surprising that Hinkie picked Joel Embiid, a would-be Hakeem Olajuwon, just as he had nabbed Noel. A 7-footer who might be the best prospect in the draft? Whose injury (a stress fracture in his right foot) dropped him across so many draft boards but not Hinkie's? Who wouldn't be asked to win as a rookie? Check, check and check.

But injured players aren't the only way to invest in the future and divest from the present. Consider that with the 2014 first-rounder that Hinkie got for Holiday, he picked Elfrid Payton, a point guard coveted by Orlando, at No. 10. Hinkie then flipped Payton to Orlando for pick No. 12, a 2015 second-rounder and a 2017 first-rounder. With that No. 12 pick, Hinkie nabbed 20-year-old Dario Saric, a 6-foot-10 Croatian who has already been named the FIBA Europe Young Player of the Year twice.

Another front office might have been afraid to select a player who might not come to the U.S. for two years. But here, as with injury, the cost of a young, foreign centerpiece not immediately playing for the Sixers is exceptionally discounted. Even better, an NBA team doesn't even pay an overseas pick who has yet to suit up for it, meaning that the rest of the planet can effectively serve as a free minor league system. Hinkie, who has modeled exchange rates for foreign-to-domestic stats, has four other prospects -- all second-rounders -- still ripening in Turkey, Germany, China and Australia. For free.

As Brown says, "We talk often about having a very, very long lens." Philadelphia doesn't need their help -- doesn't want their help -- just yet.
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The CBA is an all-important, demoralizingly confusing document that the Sixers scrutinize like billionaires searching for a tax loophole. So when the team cleared the balance sheets -- the payroll is now a meager $42.5 million, lowest in the league by $11 million -- it did so knowing certain opportunities in the market would follow.

Today, Philadelphia is so unencumbered by the current salary cap ($63.1 million) and luxury tax ($76.8 million) that it sits below the cap floor ($56.8 million). But many franchises struggle to create financial flexibility on a regular basis. Enter Hinkie, who is more than happy to take on others' contractual waste -- and dump it himself -- all for a small, negligible fee: a future second-round pick.

Throughout league history, the second-rounder has been the penny stock of hoops, the spiritual brother of baseball's player to be named later. But they're not valued that way by these Sixers, who collect the things like bingeing hoarders, amassing them via salary dumps and throw-ins on other deals. In last year's draft, Hinkie acquired or traded five second-round picks, not including his own; this June he'll have the rights to four more from other teams. Hell, he's acquired one for 2016, two for 2018, two for 2019 and one for 2020 already. Nobody else in the NBA has an extra 2020 pick -- very possibly because said pick might presently be 12 years old.

But to Philly, any second-rounder is both an embryonic trade chip and a lottery ticket that jumps in value come draft day, when some team will inevitably take a shining to a specific prospect without having the picks to draft him. When that happens, the Bank of Hinkie will be there -- ready to flip the second-rounder for cash (and profit); or to package it for another asset (and profit); or to keep it himself, hoping to sign the next Chandler Parsons, the eventual $46 million forward whom the Rockets drafted 38th overall in 2011 (and profit).

Consider Jerami Grant, whom Philly took 39th out of Syracuse in June. Grant signed a four-year deal that guaranteed his first two seasons for $885,000 and $845,000, respectively, some $300,000 more annually than the league-minimum salary of many second-rounders. That financial security was catnip to him and no sweat to the Sixers, who certainly have cap space on their delayed production schedule. But the key twist -- just as it was with Parsons -- is that the forward's third and fourth years are neither guaranteed nor big raises. This template led guard K.J. McDaniels, the 32nd pick in June, to reject Hinkie's four-year offer in favor of a one-year, unguaranteed deal. And by those latter two seasons, when the Sixers do plan to spend, Grant will be something very different: either an underpriced keeper -- "He's one of those guys, for me, that makes me want to hug Sam," Brown recently gushed -- or someone you can cut loose at zero cost. In both cases, he will be a team-friendly asset and maybe one day, if Hinkie plays his cards right, a detail in a PowerPoint slide.
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Show up to a January shootaround at Wells Fargo Center, 120 minutes before tip-off, and two things quickly become apparent. First: These Sixers are conspicuously long-limbed -- 10 of the 14 athletes boast a wingspan at least six inches longer than their height. Second: With the remarkable exception of forward Robert Covington -- an undrafted, sweet-shooting 24-year-old with a 7-2 wingspan -- approximately none of them can, you know, shoot.

This is no accident. It remains scientifically impossible to develop arm length, an underrated characteristic on defense. ("Sam is very studied in regards to that," Brown says.) But as Spurs wing Kawhi Leonard has verified, it is possible to grow a prospect's shooting ability over time. And Philly, forcing turnovers at a league-high 15.6 percent through the All-Star break but shooting a league-low 41 percent, is incentivized to wait on such a large-scale renovation. If the Sixers happen to have one of the worst offenses in history in the meantime, boosting their odds in the draft lottery? That's no accident either. The 2008-09 Thunder pulled off a version of this with Russell Westbrook, who led the league in turnovers as a rookie point guard as the team went 23-59. The next year, Oklahoma City took Harden at No. 3.

Hinkie, as part of his drive to measure everything, tracks each shot his players take, not just in games but also shootarounds and practices. "You can't hide," Richardson says. Some of the tallying is by hand; some of it is noted off video. Brown uses the data to see which players "are investing time into development," he says, and doles out playing time and in-game privileges accordingly. "It's crazy," Noel says. "They'll tell me what my free throw percentage is in practice. And I'm like, 'What?!'"

It is possible that no team takes the structure of its pregame shootarounds more seriously. The players arrive in scheduled 15-minute waves of two or three and promptly begin to sweat under the supervision of shooting coach Eugene Burroughs. On one recent night in Philadelphia, Hinkie observes from a sideline as a platoon of assistants, video coordinators and basketball-ops guys waits on the sidelines with MacBooks bearing video and spreadsheets. When each wave finishes its tailored drills -- in Brown's system, for instance, bigs focus exclusively on baseline jumpers and rolling to the basket -- the players sit down with a designated coach, who walks them through preselected clips from the last game. It's like jump shot triage. "They really hit us over the head with percentages," Thomas says, "and what type of shots they want us to take."

Like Houston, which shoots the most 3s in the league, Philadelphia fetishizes the importance of being lethal from behind the arc. Just as the title-winning Spurs fetishized it last season, and the playoff-bound Warriors, Hawks and Trail Blazers fetishize it now. But that trait can also be purchased and supplemented, Hinkie knows, when production is no longer delayed: Think of nomadic snipers like Ray Allen and Mike Miller; now think of what their spacing could do for a Nerlens Noel. Until then, the Sixers are second to last in 3-point percentage, at 31 percent, while still attempting more 3s than all but 10 teams.

Not coincidentally, Philly also plays at the sixth-highest pace in the league -- all the better to up its players' counting stats, however flawed, in case any buyers are vaguely paying attention. Carter-Williams might not be traded, but if he is, rest assured that his Rookie of the Year award -- which he won while hoisting 15.1 shots a game -- will factor into his new employer's calculus. Or take the aforementioned Thaddeus Young, of OMG fame. After Hinkie took over, the forward took a career-high 16.2 shots and 3.7 3s a game, producing a career-high 17.9 points despite shooting a career-low 45.4 percent overall. That summer Philly flipped Young to Minnesota for two players and a 2015 first-round pick. "The team I'm coaching now isn't the team I'll be coaching a few years from now," Brown admits. "Some people will make it. Some people won't."
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on February 21, 2015, 10:33:37 PM
Does Anthony Davis get injured every other game or something?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 21, 2015, 10:45:25 PM
Larry Sanders buyout is complete, but Walrus doesn't have to worry, he will not be playing the rest of the season for anyone.

AK47 may be mulling signing with a playoff contender though...has invited teams to "talk to him" about it.

In more Cavs news, Blatt loves J.R. Smith:
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“I have no idea and I really can’t comment on anything in the past, but I can tell you one thing: J.R. Smith has been a dream for us, as a team and for me personally,” Blatt said one day ahead of Smith’s MSG return on Sunday to face the Knicks. “I love the guy. I love coaching him. He comes to work every single day. He’s a great teammate. He’s playing both ends of the court for us consistently. He’s one of the main reasons for our turnaround, together with Iman, who simply started later because of (a shoulder) injury.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on February 22, 2015, 12:52:57 AM
Hawks are not doing numbers like that in the playoffs. Nor are the Raptors. Really think it's Cleveland, Chicago or Washington out of the east.

Quote from: benjipwns on February 21, 2015, 10:30:48 PM
Carter-Williams might not be traded, but if he is, rest assured that his Rookie of the Year award -- which he won while hoisting 15.1 shots a game -- will factor into his new employer's calculus.
(http://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/laughing-like-a-king-homer-simpson.gif)

fucking John Hammond
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 22, 2015, 02:09:45 AM
ITT proactive cunts pretend like they known sports.

Seriously though...keep pretending like the Cave aren't snacking on this weak ass east dog food.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on February 22, 2015, 02:24:06 AM
You don't play in the NBA so you don't know shit either. (http://s1.bild.me/bilder/120914/24282621.0.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 22, 2015, 02:26:51 AM
Quote from: Your Stalker on February 22, 2015, 02:24:06 AM
You don't play in the NBA so you don't know shit either. (http://s1.bild.me/bilder/120914/24282621.0.png)

I know the cavs are better than your team :umad
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 22, 2015, 02:40:00 AM
He's watched more NBA than you, so he's the expert.

 :foxx
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 22, 2015, 08:14:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyNBxULZYkw
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 22, 2015, 09:39:46 PM
I saw that live, it was great. I actually watched the entire game because I was that lazy today.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on February 22, 2015, 11:52:38 PM
https://instagram.com/p/zY1r4SskSs/

Get well soon, Chris. :tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 23, 2015, 02:32:43 AM
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/every-nba-teams-chance-of-winning-in-every-minute-across-every-game/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Brehvolution on February 23, 2015, 09:23:28 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 22, 2015, 08:14:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyNBxULZYkw

Looks like Shumpert wants the pipe. :shaq
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 23, 2015, 01:20:53 PM
Fun fact of the day: Manute Bol's son is named Bol Bol.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Brehvolution on February 23, 2015, 03:33:41 PM
Looks like MJ lost a bet. :hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2015, 03:53:32 AM
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The Celtics had agreed to buy out Tayshaun Prince if a trade couldn't be completed, a source said. But an unexpected deal with Detroit came along, and Prince wasn't exactly thrilled to be going to the Pistons.
lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 24, 2015, 08:08:53 AM
Quote from: Esch on February 23, 2015, 03:00:31 PM
(http://i59.tinypic.com/vnk1eq.jpg)

(http://i61.tinypic.com/ru176h.jpg)

Clearly that guy fouled Jordan on his way to the hole, two shots.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 24, 2015, 08:09:45 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 24, 2015, 03:53:32 AM
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The Celtics had agreed to buy out Tayshaun Prince if a trade couldn't be completed, a source said. But an unexpected deal with Detroit came along, and Prince wasn't exactly thrilled to be going to the Pistons.
lol

Yeah Tayshaun this isn't 2002 any more. You want to get traded? Well merry fucking christmas.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 24, 2015, 10:42:52 AM
Prince wanted to play for a contender, I understand. So far he hasn't really been thrown under the bus by fans here, at least on sports radio. People understand, and more importantly still like him.

I wonder if the Pistons can make it to .500?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 24, 2015, 10:55:41 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 24, 2015, 10:42:52 AM
Prince wanted to play for a contender, I understand. So far he hasn't really been thrown under the bus by fans here, at least on sports radio. People understand, and more importantly still like him.

I wonder if the Pistons can make it to .500?

Don't think tonight is a good night to bet that trend sir.  :heh

Cavs 105
Pistons 80

Lebron, Kyrie, and Love won't even play the 4th quarter for the 4th game in a row  :patel
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 24, 2015, 11:23:39 AM
Detroit has been playing Cleveland pretty well this year, so I wouldn't be that confident in the Cavs tonight.

I think the Cavs will still win but I see it being a 103-96 affair.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 24, 2015, 11:27:31 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 24, 2015, 11:23:39 AM
Detroit has been playing Cleveland pretty well this year, so I wouldn't be that confident in the Cavs tonight.

I think the Cavs will still win but I see it being a 103-96 affair.

True but they played them when they were still going through the whole meshing/coach blaming/pouting/love not fitting in/we need a center/omg we really need a center/Delledova sucks phase.

I mean the Knicks beat us too, then we beat them so bad Phil Jackson himself ripped his team on twitter  :yeshrug    which is funny because he imploded the son of a bitch anyways. He must consult my wife for his bitching agenda.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 24, 2015, 11:53:24 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX3wAZ0yr7w&feature=youtu.be&t=1m33s

Kobe seems to be doing a media blitz. An asshole media blitz that is.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzFYt3K1sqg
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 24, 2015, 12:30:28 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2015/02/lebron_james_kendrick_perkins.html#incart_m-rpt-1


(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/cb/68/34/cb683466557597c29723a5d2b1e27086.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 24, 2015, 01:21:03 PM
meh. An extra set of fouls is all I really see.


This will probably be the final pick-up for them since it looks like Ray Allen might not becoming back after all.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 24, 2015, 01:23:12 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 24, 2015, 01:21:03 PM
meh. An extra set of fouls is all I really see.


This will probably be the final pick-up for them since it looks like Ray Allen might not becoming back after all.

All we need out of him is 10-15 minutes a game and to act as Lebron's goon. If he can handle that anything else he delivers will be a bonus.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 24, 2015, 02:43:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dijef93nBvY
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 24, 2015, 02:56:49 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2015/02/oops_lebron_james_disparaged_m.html#incart_river

:heh


:ufup
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 24, 2015, 06:03:19 PM
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/02/5-awesome-moments-from-kevin-garnetts-first-press-conference-back-in-minnesota
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 24, 2015, 07:15:34 PM
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/12376800/byron-scott-angry-los-angeles-lakers-celebration-vs-boston-celtics

This franchise

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 24, 2015, 08:21:23 PM
AIA, told you this game would be close
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 24, 2015, 09:12:23 PM
Prince turning back the clock :leon

I'm liking what I see from Reggie Jackson.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 24, 2015, 10:17:46 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 24, 2015, 11:23:39 AM
Detroit has been playing Cleveland pretty well this year, so I wouldn't be that confident in the Cavs tonight.

I think the Cavs will still win but I see it being a 103-96 affair.

I wasn't far off
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 24, 2015, 10:46:31 PM
Derek Rose needs knee surgery again. Torn meniscus.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: dkdk on February 24, 2015, 10:57:34 PM
shocker.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 24, 2015, 11:21:24 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on February 24, 2015, 10:59:09 PM
If this keeps Rose out of the playoffs... I swear LeBron has had the luckiest career. I'd suspect foul play if Stern hadn't retired.

Atlanta was going to pop Cleveland regardless...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose- torn meniscus)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 24, 2015, 11:48:02 PM
Unfortunate but not very surprising. This is who Derrick Rose is at this point. He's just never going to be that guy who can play these number of minutes. His body won't allow it. His is only 26 but its hard to envision him as a player who can comfortable play 30 minutes a game unless you ration him a lot during the season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose- torn meniscus)
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 25, 2015, 12:18:02 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/RRBnHMM.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose- torn meniscus)
Post by: Brehvolution on February 25, 2015, 12:26:27 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 24, 2015, 11:48:02 PM
Unfortunate but not very surprising. This is who Derrick Rose is at this point. He's just never going to be that guy who can play these number of minutes. His body won't allow it. His is only 26 but its hard to envision him as a player who can comfortable play 30 minutes a game unless you ration him a lot during the season.

His body plays fine. It's the knees that pose the problem. He kneeds a kneeodomy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose- torn meniscus)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 25, 2015, 02:04:41 AM
Well this seems to have turned into a disaster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMqmazGYBns

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/12378645/rajon-rondo-coach-rick-carlisle-shouting-match-dallas-mavericks-win
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 25, 2015, 08:35:27 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 24, 2015, 10:17:46 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 24, 2015, 11:23:39 AM
Detroit has been playing Cleveland pretty well this year, so I wouldn't be that confident in the Cavs tonight.

I think the Cavs will still win but I see it being a 103-96 affair.

I wasn't far off

Yeah good call man.


Atlanta is no threat to Cleveland, they don't have a bench.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose- torn meniscus)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on February 25, 2015, 11:00:40 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 24, 2015, 11:48:02 PM
Unfortunate but not very surprising. This is who Derrick Rose is at this point. He's just never going to be that guy who can play these number of minutes. His body won't allow it. His is only 26 but its hard to envision him as a player who can comfortable play 30 minutes a game unless you ration him a lot during the season.
you think this has a lot to do with the mileage Thibodeaux puts on his starters? Rose spent a good, what, 3-4 seasons playing 35-40 minutes a game not including the postseason.  Seeing him do the same thing with Butler is making me kinda sick
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose- torn meniscus)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 25, 2015, 12:02:01 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on February 25, 2015, 11:00:40 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 24, 2015, 11:48:02 PM
Unfortunate but not very surprising. This is who Derrick Rose is at this point. He's just never going to be that guy who can play these number of minutes. His body won't allow it. His is only 26 but its hard to envision him as a player who can comfortable play 30 minutes a game unless you ration him a lot during the season.
you think this has a lot to do with the mileage Thibodeaux puts on his starters? Rose spent a good, what, 3-4 seasons playing 35-40 minutes a game not including the postseason.  Seeing him do the same thing with Butler is making me kinda sick

No so much that as bad genetics/luck.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose- torn meniscus)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 25, 2015, 12:47:10 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on February 25, 2015, 11:00:40 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 24, 2015, 11:48:02 PM
Unfortunate but not very surprising. This is who Derrick Rose is at this point. He's just never going to be that guy who can play these number of minutes. His body won't allow it. His is only 26 but its hard to envision him as a player who can comfortable play 30 minutes a game unless you ration him a lot during the season.
you think this has a lot to do with the mileage Thibodeaux puts on his starters? Rose spent a good, what, 3-4 seasons playing 35-40 minutes a game not including the postseason.  Seeing him do the same thing with Butler is making me kinda sick

It probably doesn't help but looking at the minutes this year Butler seems to be the only one who seems to be playing too many minutes. He also has had nagging injuries all season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose- torn meniscus)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 25, 2015, 12:55:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhnCna8DtEg

http://www.theplayerstribune.com/larry-sanders-exclusive-interview/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose- torn meniscus)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 25, 2015, 01:03:34 PM
Yeah, okay, he has the same problem Josh Gordon has. He can't stop puffing dank for 4 months a year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose- torn meniscus)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 25, 2015, 01:25:44 PM
I'm sick about Derrick Rose.  Brandon Roy 2.0 :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose- torn meniscus)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 25, 2015, 01:28:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDvbjXXhXDI
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose- torn meniscus)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 25, 2015, 02:04:39 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 25, 2015, 01:28:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDvbjXXhXDI

(http://redlightnaps.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/scooby-doo.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose- torn meniscus)
Post by: Steve Contra on February 25, 2015, 02:10:45 PM
Tomorrow's game :noah
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose- torn meniscus)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 25, 2015, 02:14:07 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on February 25, 2015, 02:10:45 PM
Tomorrow's game :noah

(http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/visual/whatshot/LeBron_James_Cavaliers.jpg)

Some sort of avatar wager, sir?

Cavs win you rock lebron for a month, GS wins and I'll rock Curry?

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose- torn meniscus)
Post by: Steve Contra on February 25, 2015, 02:16:50 PM
Done.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose- torn meniscus)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 25, 2015, 02:18:37 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on February 25, 2015, 02:16:50 PM
Done.

Excellent, here is my selection for you good sir.

(http://www.inflexwetrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/IFWT_Heat-bomb-3.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose- torn meniscus)
Post by: Steve Contra on February 25, 2015, 02:19:48 PM
I'll need to find the softest focus, dreamiest picture of Curry I can :uguu
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose- torn meniscus)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 25, 2015, 02:27:33 PM
Cavs are gonna get rocked

 115 - 92
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose- torn meniscus)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 25, 2015, 02:28:21 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 25, 2015, 02:27:33 PM
Cavs are gonna get rocked

 115 - 92

:ufup

I got your schtick by now, if I were a GS fan because I played in Oakland you'd say Cavs would win...../old


Cavs 105  GS 95

Perkins will bodyslam Bogut back to rehab within the first 2 quarters.

So Green will have to cover Lebron, which leaves who on Love? Because if you guys think Klay Thompson is locking down LBJ y'all crazy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose- torn meniscus)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2015, 02:29:24 PM
GS 110
CLE 97

expect lots of fast breaks off turnovers with LeBron not getting back to the opposite end of the court
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose- torn meniscus)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 25, 2015, 02:32:33 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2015, 02:29:24 PM
GS 110
CLE 97

expect lots of fast breaks off turnovers with LeBron not getting back to the opposite end of the court

You haven't predicted a single game in any sport correct all year, I am now extremely confident Cavs will win by 20.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose- torn meniscus)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 25, 2015, 02:47:07 PM
AiA I'm a Lebron fan, I want the Cavs to win just like you do.  But GS is just too good.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose- torn meniscus)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 25, 2015, 02:49:03 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 25, 2015, 02:47:07 PM
AiA I'm a Lebron fan, I want the Cavs to win just like you do.  But GS is just too good.

I think you're going to be pleasantly surprised tomorrow. We haven't won 17 out of 19 because we aren't playing well my dude.

GS is a great great team, but I'm telling you, when the Cav's are clicking with the present roster nobody is on their level....too much scoring....too much defense (look at our rating last 20 games)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose- torn meniscus)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 25, 2015, 02:50:41 PM
It's hard to imagine the Cavs being on the level of the Warriors during a 7 game series currently but one individual game prediction during the regular reason is pretty much pointless as any team can win in that situation. It should still be a fun game, but if the Cavs win or the Warriors win, I don't think it necessarily means much in either case.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose- torn meniscus)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 25, 2015, 02:52:42 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 25, 2015, 02:50:41 PM
It's hard to imagine the Cavs being on the level of the Warriors during a 7 game series currently but one individual game prediction during the regular reason is pretty much pointless as any team can win in that situation. It should still be a fun game, but if the Cavs win or the Warriors win, I don't think it necessarily means much in either case.

Good point but never underestimate that Cleveland has what, 5 or 6 guys with rings on their team? I don't think they are as likely to fold under pressure as golden state.

Scratch that, trust me both teams are taking this seriously. At this point in the season you can consider this a crucial game in terms of setting expectations for the rest of the year. If Cleveland beats GS media will hype Cleveland....if GS beats Cleveland they will be considered the favorites to win it all. So yeah, I think this is the game to watch this year if you're an NBA fan.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose- torn meniscus)
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 25, 2015, 03:24:24 PM
Whoever has a higher 3 pt % wins the game. Plain and simple.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose- torn meniscus)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 25, 2015, 03:48:29 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 25, 2015, 02:52:42 PM
If Cleveland beats GS media will hype Cleveland....if GS beats Cleveland they will be considered the favorites to win it all. So yeah, I think this is the game to watch this year if you're an NBA fan.

It's a good game to watch because its a good game. The media stuff and who is the favorite I don't care at all about.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose- torn meniscus)
Post by: benjipwns on February 25, 2015, 09:45:18 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on February 25, 2015, 02:19:48 PM
I'll need to find the softest focus, dreamiest picture of Curry I can :uguu
(http://i.imgur.com/ekltKFC.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose- torn meniscus)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2015, 09:50:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjU7BYcJwIw
:whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose- torn meniscus)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 25, 2015, 09:50:58 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 25, 2015, 09:45:18 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on February 25, 2015, 02:19:48 PM
I'll need to find the softest focus, dreamiest picture of Curry I can :uguu
(http://i.imgur.com/ekltKFC.jpg)

That one won't work at all. I don't even think it's a bad pic.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Derrick Rose- torn meniscus)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 26, 2015, 09:59:21 AM
(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070605174502/halo/images/thumb/a/a3/Cleveland_Cavs_logo.png/500px-Cleveland_Cavs_logo.png)

VS

(http://famouslogos.net/images/basketball-logos/golden-state-warriors-logo.jpg)

With

(http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/charles-barkley.jpg)


Does it get any better than this, boys?


(http://www.fantasybasketballmoneyleagues.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Big-Three.jpg)

Doing Battle with

(http://imgick.cleveland.com/home/cleve-media/width620/img/cavs_impact/photo/16734213-mmmain.jpg)


Season Records:

Cleveland  36-22 (20-8 at home)  (Won 17 of last 19)

Golden State 44-10 (21-9 away)  (Best Record in league)


Starting 5 projected:

Cavs:

PG: Irving  21.6 PPG 5.3 APG  3.3 RPG   
SG: Smith  11.7 PPG 3.0 APG  2.7 RPG
SF: James  25.7 PPG 7.3 APG  5.6 RPG
PF: Love    16.9 PPG 2.3 APG  10.4 RPG
C: Mozgov  9.3 PPG 0.5 APG    9.3 RPG

Warriors

PG: Curry          23.8 PPG 7.9 APG 4.6 RPG
SG: Thompson  22.3 PPG 2.9 APG 3.4 RPG
SF: Barnes        10.4 PPG 1.4 APG 5.7 RPG
PF: Green         11.0 PPG 3.6 APG 8.1 RPG
C: Bogut            6.3 PPG  2.8 APG 8.2 RPG


----------------------------------------------------------------------

1 Avatar bet  (AiA vs Steve Contra)

(http://u.goal.com/136700/136777hp2.jpg)  vs (http://i.imgur.com/NdXjCmi.png)

8:00 PM EST on TNT

Line:  Cavs - 4.0

The Beast of the East takes on the Best from the West.

:lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 26, 2015, 10:10:50 AM
Predictions:

AiA:              Cavs 105   GS 95
Brand New: GS 115   Cavs 92
PD:              GS 110  Cavs 97
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 26, 2015, 10:13:58 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/z8aluNX.gif)

:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 26, 2015, 10:32:29 AM
http://grantland.com/features/2015-nba-trade-value-part-2-the-temple-of-doom/


Finally got part 2.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Beezy on February 26, 2015, 10:59:11 AM
Tonight's game would be a lot better without having to listen to Charles. Reggie Miller better not be included too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 26, 2015, 10:59:57 AM
Quote from: Beezy on February 26, 2015, 10:59:11 AM
Tonight's game would be a lot better without having to listen to Charles. Reggie Miller better not be included too.

Barkley is awesome :ufup

Miller is :trash
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2015, 11:05:15 AM
Quote from: Beezy on February 26, 2015, 10:59:11 AM
Tonight's game would be a lot better without having to listen to Charles. Reggie Miller better not be included too.

I prefer Charles in the studio. I'm not a fan when they bring him to the commentary table. A little of charles is fine. A lot of Charles can be very grating.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Beezy on February 26, 2015, 11:09:19 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2015, 11:05:15 AM
Quote from: Beezy on February 26, 2015, 10:59:11 AM
Tonight's game would be a lot better without having to listen to Charles. Reggie Miller better not be included too.

I prefer Charles in the studio. I'm not a fan when they bring him to the commentary table. A little of charles is fine. A lot of Charles can be very grating.
Agreed. He's great to me at the TNT table. During actual games though? Terrible. There's no one worse than Miller though, fucking hell.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 26, 2015, 11:16:02 AM
Ah you're talking him calling the game, yeah his garbage at that. He needs to be in the studio.

Miller needs to stop starting every sentence with "When I played"......yeah we know dude.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 26, 2015, 11:28:06 AM
I hope GS beats the Cavs, so I can point out to AiA that the Hawks handled GS since he keeps shit talking them

(...we've been playing like shit for a while now, tho :( )
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 26, 2015, 11:30:05 AM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on February 26, 2015, 11:28:06 AM
I hope GS beats the Cavs, so I can point out to AiA that the Hawks handled GS since he keeps shit talking them

(...we've been playing like shit for a while now, tho :( )

Just saying we beat you guys earlier this year without Lebron. Not really afraid of the Hawks :yeshrug

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 26, 2015, 11:51:40 AM
Miller always sounds like Randall from Recess. "You can't say thaaaaatttt, are you serrioooous? I caaan't beeeelieeeve what you just saaaaid. I'mmm teelllingggg."
:beli
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 26, 2015, 12:11:44 PM
CLICK CLICK, THIS IS YOUR KOOOODAAAAAAAK MOMEEENNNT

kill me
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2015, 03:01:06 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2378041-nba-insider-is-it-numbers-or-talent-sorting-fact-fiction-in-nba-stats-wave
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Steve Contra on February 26, 2015, 03:03:24 PM
112-107 cavs is my prediction.

Or one team will embarrass the other and get the punditry all in a tizzy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 26, 2015, 03:03:42 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2015, 03:01:06 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2378041-nba-insider-is-it-numbers-or-talent-sorting-fact-fiction-in-nba-stats-wave

I'm firmly on team "shut the fuck up math nerd, learn to box out before you tell me I rebound 1.7% better when it's humid"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 26, 2015, 03:05:10 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on February 26, 2015, 03:03:24 PM
112-107 cavs is my prediction.

Or one team will embarrass the other and get the punditry all in a tizzy.

Meh, either way it's fascinating theatre on a cold ass Ohio day. Got my beer and kid muting device (bringing chicken home) ready.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2015, 03:14:35 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 26, 2015, 03:03:42 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2015, 03:01:06 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2378041-nba-insider-is-it-numbers-or-talent-sorting-fact-fiction-in-nba-stats-wave

I'm firmly on team "shut the fuck up math nerd, learn to box out before you tell me I rebound 1.7% better when it's humid"

Or you could be on the reasonable logical side that incorporates all knowledge to make an informed decision versus the silly world Barkley has imagined in his head.

The idea that basketball management is all in on its only the numbers or some wise old wizard who can magically see everything a player is in all situations makes for lame black and white arguments.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 26, 2015, 03:20:19 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2015, 03:14:35 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 26, 2015, 03:03:42 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2015, 03:01:06 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2378041-nba-insider-is-it-numbers-or-talent-sorting-fact-fiction-in-nba-stats-wave

I'm firmly on team "shut the fuck up math nerd, learn to box out before you tell me I rebound 1.7% better when it's humid"

Or you could be on the reasonable logical side that incorporates all knowledge to make an informed decision versus the silly world Barkley has imagined in his head.

I was being sarcastic.

There is clearly a use for statistics to spot tendencies and identify areas that need improvement. However, someone who played the game will be able to spot future growth which is not something stats are going to do for you.  And before you reply, did any math nerd in the world predict Hassan Olajaside would turn into a A+ center? How long can he maintain it? Simple fact is you can't.

I actually think both sides need to work together because Billy in Oakland ain't winning a world series with a calculator (looking at you, houston) and neither are the old school Met's scouting department.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Steve Contra on February 26, 2015, 03:25:44 PM
Well to be fair if Billy's calculator started him off with double the money he might be able to do it :P
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 26, 2015, 03:27:02 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on February 26, 2015, 03:25:44 PM
Well to be fair if Billy's calculator started him off with double the money he might be able to do it :P

See the Houston Rockets as an example of money buying a nice calculator team that won't be worth shit in the playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2015, 03:28:40 PM
The rise of 3 point shots as a reflection of metrics that indicate the value of the shot has probably been one of the most indicative tools.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_/stat/offense-per-game/sort/avgThreePointFieldGoalsAttempted


Of course then you have people like Byron Scott who are nah, I'm a wizard but who can't understand that the game is changing right underneath them but want to use their playing career to defend their positions.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/235240/Byron_Scott_Doesnt_Believe_High_Rate_Of_Three_Point_Shots_Lead_To_Championship


Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 26, 2015, 03:27:02 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on February 26, 2015, 03:25:44 PM
Well to be fair if Billy's calculator started him off with double the money he might be able to do it :P

See the Houston Rockets as an example of money buying a nice calculator team that won't be worth shit in the playoffs.

As opposed to all the hardcore non-metric teams that are going to do awesome in the playoffs?

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 26, 2015, 03:30:07 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2015, 03:28:40 PM
The rise of 3 point shots as a reflection of metrics that indicate the value of the shot has probably been one of the most indicative tools.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_/stat/offense-per-game/sort/avgThreePointFieldGoalsAttempted


Of course then you have people like Byron Scott who are nah, I'm a wizard but who can't understand that the game is changing right underneath them.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/235240/Byron_Scott_Doesnt_Believe_High_Rate_Of_Three_Point_Shots_Lead_To_Championship

I get that. However are you going to tell me which college player is going to hit the most clutch corner threes or are you going to have to take a scout's word for it?

PS the "3" is ruining the game in college and the NBA....needs to be extended about a foot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 26, 2015, 03:30:44 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2015, 03:28:40 PM
The rise of 3 point shots as a reflection of metrics that indicate the value of the shot has probably been one of the most indicative tools.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_/stat/offense-per-game/sort/avgThreePointFieldGoalsAttempted


Of course then you have people like Byron Scott who are nah, I'm a wizard but who can't understand that the game is changing right underneath them but want to use their playing career to defend their positions.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/235240/Byron_Scott_Doesnt_Believe_High_Rate_Of_Three_Point_Shots_Lead_To_Championship


Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 26, 2015, 03:27:02 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on February 26, 2015, 03:25:44 PM
Well to be fair if Billy's calculator started him off with double the money he might be able to do it :P

See the Houston Rockets as an example of money buying a nice calculator team that won't be worth shit in the playoffs.

As opposed to all the hardcore non-metric teams that are going to do awesome in the playoffs

Cavs aren't ran by metrics they are pretty much ran by Lebron and I have a gut feeling they'll do pretty well this year.

Look you want to get your anger up about stats, do it. Just be sure to understand there use only extends so far.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2015, 03:31:57 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 26, 2015, 03:30:07 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2015, 03:28:40 PM
The rise of 3 point shots as a reflection of metrics that indicate the value of the shot has probably been one of the most indicative tools.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_/stat/offense-per-game/sort/avgThreePointFieldGoalsAttempted


Of course then you have people like Byron Scott who are nah, I'm a wizard but who can't understand that the game is changing right underneath them.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/235240/Byron_Scott_Doesnt_Believe_High_Rate_Of_Three_Point_Shots_Lead_To_Championship

I get that. However are you going to tell me which college player is going to hit the most clutch corner threes or are you going to have to take a scout's word for it?

PS the "3" is ruining the game in college and the NBA....needs to be extended about a foot.

Read the bleacher report article. None of those people say that stuff. The people who say that stuff are Barkley and his types. Every reasonable metrics person says its a mix and tool. Barkley is the one with the rigid position. Not the other side.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 26, 2015, 03:33:58 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2015, 03:31:57 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 26, 2015, 03:30:07 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2015, 03:28:40 PM
The rise of 3 point shots as a reflection of metrics that indicate the value of the shot has probably been one of the most indicative tools.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_/stat/offense-per-game/sort/avgThreePointFieldGoalsAttempted


Of course then you have people like Byron Scott who are nah, I'm a wizard but who can't understand that the game is changing right underneath them.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/235240/Byron_Scott_Doesnt_Believe_High_Rate_Of_Three_Point_Shots_Lead_To_Championship

I get that. However are you going to tell me which college player is going to hit the most clutch corner threes or are you going to have to take a scout's word for it?

PS the "3" is ruining the game in college and the NBA....needs to be extended about a foot.

Read the bleacher report article. None of those people say that stuff. The people who say that stuff are Barkley and his types. Every reasonable metrics person says its a mix and tool. Barkley is the one with the rigid position. Not the other side.

I concur.

Stats can't tell me if the player is a dick, or if he fails under pressure if he's playing against a vocal player, or how much drive he has to be better. You're always gonna need a former player/coach/nba career guy to do that type of duty.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2015, 04:28:12 PM
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2015/02/26/jennings-van-gundy-meet-discuss-jackson-future/24066631/

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: T-Short on February 26, 2015, 05:15:34 PM
Heat signed up Beez Nuts for a 10-day

http://www.nba.com/2015/news/02/26/heat-sign-beasley-10-day-contract.ap/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpts (http://www.nba.com/2015/news/02/26/heat-sign-beasley-10-day-contract.ap/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpts)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: benjipwns on February 26, 2015, 07:18:25 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 26, 2015, 03:30:44 PM
Cavs aren't ran by metrics they are pretty much ran by Lebron and I have a gut feeling they'll do pretty well this year.

Look you want to get your anger up about stats, do it. Just be sure to understand there use only extends so far.
Cleveland was one of the first teams to hire a full-time statistical analytics staff. Notably Dan Rosenbaum creator of the fancy regression run adjusted plus/minus.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2015, 08:27:02 PM
Lebron very aggressive early on.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2015, 08:46:17 PM
High scoring offensive oriented quarter for both sides.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2015, 08:51:22 PM
I don't know when Lebron is gonna stop throwing those obvious pick and roll passes where you know its going to be intercepted before he even throws it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2015, 08:54:18 PM
He is super aggressive on offense tonight though. I wouldn't be surprised at 40+
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Beezy on February 26, 2015, 08:54:49 PM
My impressions so far:

Webber talks way too much.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2015, 08:56:07 PM
Quote from: Beezy on February 26, 2015, 08:54:49 PM
My impressions so far:

Webber talks way too much.

I like Webber. I think he's one of the better color guys they have. Not that he can't fall into the trap of too much conventional wisdom.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Beezy on February 26, 2015, 08:57:27 PM
He has a story or long ass quote for every single thing. :lol

He's not terrible. Just needs to talk a bit less.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 26, 2015, 09:02:34 PM
Lebron crushing it
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2015, 09:13:11 PM
lol. Bogut shitting on Mark Jackson.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2015, 09:14:18 PM
Steve Kerr Technical.

 :mynicca
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2015, 09:19:52 PM
Good first half. You can tell both teams are legit playing hard.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 26, 2015, 09:20:42 PM
Damn I love Kerr

Great game so far!  I hope this is the finals match up
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2015, 09:43:28 PM
Kerr looks like he's going to punch one of these refs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2015, 09:48:26 PM
Lebron takes a silly heat check.


I love that shot! -  Webber

 :comeon


That being said Lebron is on fire tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2015, 10:03:38 PM
Feels like the Cavs should be up by like 30 but the lead is only 10. Good sign for the Warriors in general no matter how the rest of the game goes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2015, 10:24:30 PM
Cavs playing really well with Lebron on the bench here. That is impressive. I thought that was a dangerous move to pull him out here but they are impressing. Even Love seems way more aggressive.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 26, 2015, 10:32:42 PM
Lebron is amazing
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2015, 10:40:03 PM
Hella impressive win for the Cavs. That's the first time I've seen them play this year and really thought here is a title contender. They seemed like they had a lot of pieces all doing the right things tonight.

The Warriors didn't have a great night shooting. Which isn't going to happen a lot but still very good win.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 26, 2015, 10:42:51 PM
That game didn't go the way I thought it would. I expected a lot more 3's. Lebron really set the tone for the team by bullying the Warriors down low. The entire team was aggressive and the refs let them get away with it.

I'd love to see a seven game series between the two teams. Cleveland has more talent, but the Warriors have a better team concept.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 26, 2015, 10:48:07 PM
Cavs are playing the right way. The veteran leadership has really taken them to the next level.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 26, 2015, 11:30:58 PM
Good game. I don't want to see GS in a 7 game series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 27, 2015, 02:47:31 AM
https://vine.co/v/OQUUHXrHXQi
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 27, 2015, 03:04:03 AM
I actually kinda hope the Cavs win it all now, just for the Glen Shinobi meltdowns
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 27, 2015, 03:07:48 AM
http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12331388/the-great-analytics-rankings#!nba

Discusses all the teams, but top and bottom teams:
Quote
ALL-IN
Dallas Mavericks
Houston Rockets
Philadelphia 76ers
San Antonio Spurs

NONBELIEVERS
Brooklyn Nets
Los Angeles Lakers
New York Knicks
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors TNT 8 EST tonight)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 27, 2015, 10:20:49 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on February 27, 2015, 02:43:37 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 26, 2015, 10:32:42 PM
Lebron is amazing

I honestly hope you get the chance to properly deep throat him one day. Try not to gag.

:umad
:umad
:umad
:umad
:umad :umad :umad

Mr Contra, you have my avatar suggestion on the previous page, enjoy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on February 27, 2015, 11:36:38 AM
Done, also changed the text to further my shame (good game by the way)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 27, 2015, 12:59:54 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on February 27, 2015, 11:36:38 AM
Done, also changed the text to further my shame (good game by the way)

ROFL, you made a hectic/busy day a lot better, kudos.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 27, 2015, 01:44:33 PM
http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/12392571/derrick-rose-chicago-bulls-torn-meniscus-repaired

People are saying Rose could be back in 4 to 6 weeks but that seems highly optimistic for someone with his injury history.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 27, 2015, 02:52:32 PM
Don't look now fellas but the Bucks are only a 1/2 game behind the Wizards.....
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 27, 2015, 03:18:06 PM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on February 27, 2015, 03:04:03 AM
I actually kinda hope the Cavs win it all now, just for the Glen Shinobi meltdowns

I just want the Cavs to win so we don't have to watch the same tired 'Cleveland sports history' segment they trot out on Sportscenter three times a year.

It's become as annoying as when they used to do it for the Red Sox (pre-2004).

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 28, 2015, 05:01:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_tnQdHU7Vg
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 01, 2015, 07:05:43 PM
Uh, can we talk about how terrible Lebron was tonight please?  Because he was fucking awful.  Entire 4th quarter and OT was Lebron hero ball, iso bullshit.  Love was on the floor and having a solid shooting night and Lebron ignored him completely.  And he didn't hit jack shit from the FT line.  Terrible, terrible game for him.  Fun game though, would be a cool finals series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 01, 2015, 07:17:03 PM
One of the impressive things about the Heat in retrospect was that when you took away one of the big three the heat still won a large majority of their games. When you remove one of the big three from these Cavs, the team seems to diminish a good deal.

I still think the offense in general is too Lebron-centric on the Cavs rather than creating a good flow of passing the ball around and just creating good shots for anybody at anytime.

And Lebron should not be MVP. There has been a recent surge of people trying to stoke interest in that but it shouldn't happen. Top 5. Sure. MVP. Hell no.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 01, 2015, 07:19:53 PM
I wouldn't go that far, this was an extremely good game against one of the best teams in the West, and the Cavs overall looked great.  Lebron just dragged the team down at the end.  If he got Love and Smith more involved and actually hit his FTs, this was a Cavs win.

And I'd vote Harden 1, Lebron 2 at this point for MVP.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 01, 2015, 07:22:14 PM
I don't see how Curry isn't beyond Lebron in MVP voting. I'd probably also put Westbrook ahead of him honestly with the terrible injury situation that team has had, along with playing in a tougher conference to boot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 01, 2015, 07:24:50 PM
Lebron's play lately has been better than Currys.  And I still say if you take Lebron off this team, it'd be a trainwreck (remember, 1-9 without him during the injury).  Curry off that team...yet to be known I suppose.

Can't give Westbrook MVP because his team is an 8th seed and he's chucking way too much.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 01, 2015, 10:21:54 PM
LOLbron

nice FT shooting, breh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 01, 2015, 11:59:53 PM
I think Lebron's ego got the best of him. In the same building as Harden with all the fans shouting MVP at him. He wanted to be the one to shut them up.

Those refs were ridiculous though. Was it 1995 throwback night? I was surprised that Lebron even got that call on that drive. Even then, it came in late.





Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 02, 2015, 08:57:02 AM
I won't write some macro narrative about it but man, LeBron choked.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 02, 2015, 09:53:11 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 02, 2015, 08:57:02 AM
I won't write some macro narrative about it but man, LeBron choked.

Pretty much. This game proved a couple of things;

1) With Kyrie we beat the rockets, handily.

2) Kevin Love is NOT a max level guy. He just doesn't do enough to earn that cash. I've said it before and I'll say it again if we had Milsap in the place of Love we'd be a better team.


And goddamnit Lebron, do something about your free throws man.


Bought 2k15 for my xbone this weekend and played a game with my son. Lost 115-56, my skills are eroded. I need to get some practice time in.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 02, 2015, 10:23:06 AM
https://vimeo.com/120921248
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 02, 2015, 10:25:45 AM
Yup I agree the Cavs shouldn't worry too much, they barely lost despite their second best player being out.

Love...dude just seems so dependent on other players. He stands around a lot, and while he's a good passer more often than not he isn't really wowing on that front either. He had a few games where he got hot early in the paint but yesterday he seemed to be camped at the 3 point line again. LeBron WANTS his teammates to succeed, you would think that Love would thrive in such a system.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 02, 2015, 10:28:30 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 02, 2015, 10:25:45 AM
Yup I agree the Cavs shouldn't worry too much, they barely lost despite their second best player being out.

Love...dude just seems so dependent on other players. He stands around a lot, and while he's a good passer more often than not he isn't really wowing on that front either. He had a few games where he got hot early in the paint but yesterday he seemed to be camped at the 3 point line again. LeBron WANTS his teammates to succeed, you would think that Love would thrive in such a system.

I have watched him in more than 1 game just sit at the 3 point line and NEVER enter the paint. I guess in Blatt's offense he prefers a spot up 4 which is prevalent in Europe.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 02, 2015, 10:30:32 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 02, 2015, 10:25:45 AM
Yup I agree the Cavs shouldn't worry too much, they barely lost despite their second best player being out.

Love...dude just seems so dependent on other players. He stands around a lot, and while he's a good passer more often than not he isn't really wowing on that front either. He had a few games where he got hot early in the paint but yesterday he seemed to be camped at the 3 point line again. LeBron WANTS his teammates to succeed, you would think that Love would thrive in such a system.

I think there is just as much blame to be placed on the system on how they are using Love. They don't pick and roll with him. They rarely actually ask him to go into the paint and post up. They stick him in the corner and use him as a three point shooter because that's the design of the offense. It's hard to do much with the role he has been given which is essentially glorified three point shooter. His numbers are very similar to Bosh numbers in that role except he's shooting more 3's.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 02, 2015, 10:31:40 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 02, 2015, 10:30:32 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 02, 2015, 10:25:45 AM
Yup I agree the Cavs shouldn't worry too much, they barely lost despite their second best player being out.

Love...dude just seems so dependent on other players. He stands around a lot, and while he's a good passer more often than not he isn't really wowing on that front either. He had a few games where he got hot early in the paint but yesterday he seemed to be camped at the 3 point line again. LeBron WANTS his teammates to succeed, you would think that Love would thrive in such a system.

I think there is just as much blame to be placed on the system on how they are using Love. They don't pick and roll with him. They rarely actually ask him to go into the past and post up. They stick him in the corner and use him as a three point shooter because that's the design of the offense. It's hard to do much with the role he has given which is essentially glorified three point shooter. His numbers are very similar to Bosh numbers in that role except he's shooting more three's.

Well said. The only real difference between Bosh and Love is that Love's defense is terrible. He isn't aggressive and he doesn't play passing lanes well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 02, 2015, 10:36:42 AM
I don't know if Love's just a bad pick and roll player or what but Lebron seems to love running the pick and roll with Mozgov. He loved doing it with Varejao. So I don't understand how there isn't a steady diet of Pick and Pops/Rolls with Love.



Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 02, 2015, 10:37:27 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 02, 2015, 10:36:42 AM
I don't know if Love's just a bad pick and roll player or what but Lebron seems to love running the pick and roll with Mozgov. He loved doing it with Varejao. So I don't understand how there isn't a steady diet of Pick and Pops/Rolls with Love.

He lived off the pick and roll with the Wolves which makes it even more odd. It has to be the offense Blatt is employing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 02, 2015, 11:08:25 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12407104/michael-jordan-makes-debut-forbes-world-billionaires-list

 :hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 02, 2015, 11:35:12 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 02, 2015, 11:08:25 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12407104/michael-jordan-makes-debut-forbes-world-billionaires-list

 :hitler

It's gotta be the shoes
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 02, 2015, 11:07:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RW-Xsoknhk
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 03, 2015, 08:04:52 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 02, 2015, 11:07:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RW-Xsoknhk

If Lebron had 1/2 of that mental toughness Whiteside displayed we'd have beat Houston by 20.

Instead we get this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12410640/james-harden-houston-rockets-suspended-one-game-kicking-lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers

Bro, you're 6'8" 260 pounds, why are you going to let the leagues biggest pussy get inside your head?

Also, this was weird, it's like you can actually see the ref's brain shut down:

(http://i.imgur.com/TlmWg0n.gif)

Bizarre.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 03, 2015, 11:05:43 AM
(http://i57.tinypic.com/211339c.gif)

:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 03, 2015, 11:34:26 AM
http://www.tmz.com/2015/03/03/steve-francis-violent-chain-snatching-sauce-twinz-houston-rap-show-video/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on March 03, 2015, 12:25:09 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 03, 2015, 08:04:52 AM
Also, this was weird, it's like you can actually see the ref's brain shut down:

(http://i.imgur.com/TlmWg0n.gif)


You can also see Josh Smith DESPERATELY wanting to take a three instead!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 03, 2015, 12:26:57 PM
Quote from: Hyoushi on March 03, 2015, 12:25:09 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 03, 2015, 08:04:52 AM
Also, this was weird, it's like you can actually see the ref's brain shut down:

(http://i.imgur.com/TlmWg0n.gif)


You can also see Josh Smith DESPERATELY wanting to take a three instead!

See that's my problem, he actually played within his strengths sunday. Pissed me right off. I wanted a 2-13 line coming from him.

I've flipped on Harden he should be MVP because he ignores Josh Smith anywhere past 15 feet from the basket. That takes balls.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 03, 2015, 09:58:09 PM
(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--UnQeVsL7--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/sksk1keiizrrbjvcoxxu.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2015, 04:09:52 AM
Brian Shaw fired by the Nuggets.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 04, 2015, 10:02:30 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 04, 2015, 04:09:52 AM
Brian Shaw fired by the Nuggets.

So the new NBA trend seems to be "Dismantle the team, then fire the coach"   

Seems a bit backwards to me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2015, 10:40:31 AM
A lot of people forget but that's what the Suns did with D'Antoni. Dealt Marbury and junk, fired the coach who had just coached them to the playoffs, gave him a bunch of garbage and said "see if any of this is of value and if you can make Joe Johnson actually do anything." Signed Nash and Q-Rich, got Amare back, bam 60 wins.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 04, 2015, 09:54:46 PM
Lebron hit some big three's down the stretch to beat toronto tonight but I still don't like how the offense bogs down in those situation.

That being said, Cleveland still scored 117 points.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on March 04, 2015, 11:14:57 PM
Brow and Westbrook are monsters.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on March 05, 2015, 12:35:58 AM
the matrix in transition :lawd

young Barbosa :lawd

STAT before his knees exploded :lawd :lawd :lawd



Joe Johnson shot 48% from deep that year brehs.


Joe Johnson.


48%
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 05, 2015, 01:38:17 AM
Quote from: Beezy on March 04, 2015, 11:14:57 PM
Brow and Westbrook are monsters.

Westbrook is just having a phenomenal season and I honestly think its not being recognized like it should be. It's certainly MVP worthy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 05, 2015, 07:58:47 AM
Westbrook is on some other level right now man, holy shit.  Have not seen a guy play so far above his professional competition on the court since Jordan went ham during the 72 win season for about 10 games in a row.


Lebron carried us in Toronto, we've got to find our Scottie Pippen before the playoffs....Kyrie or Love (who's been on fire last few games)....

Also James Jones is much more effective than I like to give him credit for. Good game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 05, 2015, 08:18:55 AM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on March 05, 2015, 12:35:58 AM
the matrix in transition :lawd

young Barbosa :lawd

STAT before his knees exploded :lawd :lawd :lawd



Joe Johnson shot 48% from deep that year brehs.


Joe Johnson.


48%

Joe Johnson was a stud on those squads. Now he's hurt and isn't half what he use to be :tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 05, 2015, 12:55:02 PM
Johnson was killing it last year in the playoffs.  What a fun player to watch
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 05, 2015, 01:05:24 PM
Brehs

Whiteside had 18 and 25

:lawd

dude is killing it
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: dkdk on March 05, 2015, 10:17:08 PM
Westbrook on his MyPlayer shit lately

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/a94b68ba4acdb9d1d51ac4d2d3cda772/tumblr_nidgfhxzBz1u2klrwo1_500.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2015, 10:28:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBURUerQAxs

 :heart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOq_MJ5i1lI
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on March 05, 2015, 11:00:43 PM
https://vine.co/v/O0lTl6Kw3IB

amazing
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 06, 2015, 11:29:29 PM
How 'bout them Cavs, eh?

 :heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2015, 12:20:01 AM
in before AiA starts lashing out at everyone
:heh

no dap for Walrus tho
 :ufup
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 07, 2015, 01:21:25 AM
How many times do you see a team like the Hawks roll through the season, then the first time they get punched in the mouth in the playoffs, they fall apart. I don't believe.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 07, 2015, 02:19:15 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 07, 2015, 01:21:25 AM
How many times do you see a team like the Hawks roll through the season, then the first time they get punched in the mouth in the playoffs, they fall apart. I don't believe.

I think that's what some would argue is the biggest question mark. But I kinda feel like basketball has changed. Sometimes the system is that good when you have the players filling out the roles. The question then becomes are they truly Spurs South are not.

And Lebron had another 9 turnovers tonight to pad that career high 4.2 per game turnover average. This is as big a problem as any that the Cavs have. The offense while explosive becomes predictable with Lebron running so much of it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 07, 2015, 10:20:22 AM
The Hawks move the ball as much as anyone but Golden State (with a similar construction) while jacking triples.

And they don't foul.

They're not as good as their record (they're beating up on the East) but they're almost top 5 in both offense and defense. Teams that do that are really tough to beat in the playoffs. A lot of title teams meet that criteria. They're 6th and 5th respectively.

Golden State is 2nd and 1st.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 07, 2015, 10:31:24 AM
The Hawks also have the best road record in the league (20-8) and the best record of any east team vs. the west (17-4)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2015, 11:23:44 AM
They'll run the Cavs out the building as LeBron cries over fouls/refuses to run back on defense, Love stands around the three point line, and Irving turns the ball over.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 07, 2015, 02:52:43 PM
Look out, 'hot' sports take coming through.




Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 07, 2015, 03:01:02 PM
:tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 07, 2015, 03:23:06 PM
That was a fun game though.  Excited to see a Cavs/Hawks conference finals

In other Eastern conference news, watch out for the Pacers.  They've been playing pretty well lately and just beat the Bulls last night.  Admittedly, a pretty tired Bulls team, but still.  We may see another Pacers/Hawks first round series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on March 07, 2015, 04:31:50 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 07, 2015, 03:23:06 PM
That was a fun game though.  Excited to see a Cavs/Hawks conference finals

In other Eastern conference news, watch out for the Pacers.  They've been playing pretty well lately and just beat the Bulls last night.  Admittedly, a pretty tired Bulls team, but still.  We may see another Pacers/Hawks first round series.
Tired and without their best player.

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They have gotten better though as each player from their original starting lineup returned from injury, but still not a playoff threat without Paul George.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: dkdk on March 08, 2015, 05:16:49 PM
steph handles might be better than his shooting
http://streamable.com/gcy1
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 08, 2015, 05:33:49 PM
jesus christ

kerr's reaction was great

http://streamable.com/mt6o (http://streamable.com/mt6o)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2015, 06:05:42 PM
Kerr
(http://i.imgur.com/AWDsThc.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 08, 2015, 09:08:08 PM
Westbrook is blowing me away, and I don't know WHAT to think of it.  He's playing so well...but why aren't they winning more?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 08, 2015, 09:37:13 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 08, 2015, 09:08:08 PM
Westbrook is blowing me away, and I don't know WHAT to think of it.  He's playing so well...but why aren't they winning more?


What are you talking about. They are 7-3 over their last 10. He is the only dude on the team who scores and is reliable on a team that solely relies on two players. And they are missing the other player. They play in the Western Conference.

He has played out of his mind all season. This isn't a new thing. He's just been absolutely insane even more over the last few weeks. His per has always been insanely high this season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 08, 2015, 09:48:02 PM
Fair enough, I was making a dumb statement that was basically regurgitated from talk radio.  I haven't been paying close attention to them other than Westbrooks performance.  He's been playing amazing.  MVP at this point?  I just don't know.  Curry Westbrook and Harden are all tied in my eyes, at this point.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 08, 2015, 10:23:10 PM
 ::)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 08, 2015, 10:41:20 PM
I'm probably over/hyper sensitive to criticism towards Westbrook because I think he's probably the best player since Lebron to receive a hyper weird level of meta-criticism that is based around media bias. Which is also another reason, I didn't understand Durant's take on the media and wish he had made it a specific example for Westbrook. Durant never gets criticized. Westbrook is the blanket that absorbs all criticism for him.

Does he occasionally shoot too much? Yes. Does he occasionally not make the correct pass. Sure. Just like most players. But I can't stand the criticism of him in basektball  terms as if we are still in the 1950's and he should be bob cousy (or Rondo) and be an old school traditional point guard. He is not that. And putting him in that position would be the biggest waste of a talent ever.

Even before the game started, one of the blurbs next to the game on ESPN, was "is Westbrook doing too much?" And then after the game the blurb disappears because they look fucking stupid now.

End Rant.

None of that was directed at you BrandNew. Just a general media sucks rant.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 08, 2015, 10:55:29 PM
Now after castigating media narratives, I'll engage in bringing up one.  :teehee

A lot of media types are using this interview as an example that love will not be back next year.

Quote
Love is launching 8.1 threes per contest in his last seven games. His highest rate of threes taken in Minnesota was 6.6 last year, and that was along with the inside touches he received. No matter what the statistics suggest, Love is not in agreement on the big-man long distance tag.

"I heard some people calling me that but I know I'm not a stretch-four," Love told NEOMG. "I'm a post player who can shoot. Right now I'm just doing what I'm called to do. For good, bad or indifferent, I'm playing my role and doing what's asked of me. Tonight, I stayed out on the perimeter."


http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2015/03/kevin_love_2.html

And normally I would just ignore stuff like this. But honestly Love has legit looked miserable during every game this year. I can at least understand why people might put 2 and 2 together on this one. And I also don't think he liked the fit in not out thing either.

I think a big part of him leaving Minnesota was feeling disrespected over that last contract there so like most people I think feeling respected is big influencer with him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: dkdk on March 08, 2015, 11:22:08 PM
they have 24 hours to fill. eventually they're gonna run out of shit to talk about and the Westbrook debate is polarizing because he's such a love/hate player due to his demonstrative demeanor. it's an easy well to go back to for time filling and to catch eyeballs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 08, 2015, 11:43:06 PM
Was Love always like this and people just didn't notice? He's one of the few basketball players I ever seen that looks like there is no joy in anything they do.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 09, 2015, 02:52:36 AM
He's always been a quiet dude but I think this has been a much more difficult transition than he thought it was going to be. Not to mention, he doesn't think he's being used right.

I think it depends on how the playoffs go on whether he wants to resign. Really deep run or finals. Maybe. Surprising early exit. He bolts.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 09, 2015, 03:13:49 AM
The weird thing is, in his current role, the Cavs would be a worse team without him ... but that role is not worth all the money he will  soon demand.  So, I guess if things don't change, you might let the guy go.


Before the season started, if you told me he was going to walk, I would've thought it would crush the franchise (considering what they gave up). But now, it will just seem like a minor inconvenience.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 09, 2015, 08:13:05 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 09, 2015, 03:13:49 AM
The weird thing is, in his current role, the Cavs would be a worse team without him ... but that role is not worth all the money he will  soon demand.  So, I guess if things don't change, you might let the guy go.


Before the season started, if you told me he was going to walk, I would've thought it would crush the franchise (considering what they gave up). But now, it will just seem like a minor inconvenience.

I may be in the extreme minority here but if we let him walk after this year (if/when we get eliminated from the playoffs) I would be okay with it.

:yeshrug
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2015, 08:35:21 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 08, 2015, 09:08:08 PM
Westbrook is blowing me away, and I don't know WHAT to think of it.  He's playing so well...but why aren't they winning more?

Because the team lacks veteran leadership to teach them how to play the right way, obviously. They need to bring back Fisher.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 09, 2015, 08:40:58 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2015, 08:35:21 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 08, 2015, 09:08:08 PM
Westbrook is blowing me away, and I don't know WHAT to think of it.  He's playing so well...but why aren't they winning more?

Because the team lacks veteran leadership to teach them how to play the right way, obviously. They need to bring back Fisher.

They are 7-3 their last 10 games, what the hell do people expect without Durant?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 09, 2015, 08:42:27 AM
I just think they need to use Love not only as a stretch 4 but in the post more to make him happy. He's too good and too young to just let him go.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2015, 08:47:14 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 09, 2015, 08:40:58 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2015, 08:35:21 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 08, 2015, 09:08:08 PM
Westbrook is blowing me away, and I don't know WHAT to think of it.  He's playing so well...but why aren't they winning more?

Because the team lacks veteran leadership to teach them how to play the right way, obviously. They need to bring back Fisher.

They are 7-3 their last 10 games, what the hell do people expect without Durant?

I was joking :beli
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 09, 2015, 08:47:23 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 09, 2015, 08:42:27 AM
I just think they need to use Love not only as a stretch 4 but in the post more to make him happy. He's too good and too young to just let him go.

I don't feel the chemistry coming together. He's frustrated and everybody can see it.

Plus if we could get say...

LaMarcus Aldridge (Don't laugh Cleveland is a serious contender, I think he'd at least listen)

Paul Milsap (Depends on how atlanta does this year)

even Thaddeus Young would be a better fit in my opinion.

We really need a PF with mid range game that can play defense more than a glorified face up 4.

:yeshrug
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 09, 2015, 11:46:04 AM
:shrugs

I like Love and I think he fits well, he just is having a hard time fitting as good as Bosh did.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 09, 2015, 11:32:25 PM
Nice situation for the Cavs. They have some tough games coming up, but Toronto, and Chicago, and Washington are all falling apart for various different reasons.

Also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SklqtiGoWGQ


 :snoop
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2015, 11:46:27 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 09, 2015, 11:32:25 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SklqtiGoWGQ

 :snoop

(http://i.imgur.com/puw8IdR.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 10, 2015, 09:04:33 AM
Whiteside had made some comments that teams were roughing him up lately. Looks like he's had enough.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 10, 2015, 11:32:20 AM
It's dumb. The other team will take that tradeoff every time of him flying off the handle compared to their scrub at center. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 10, 2015, 11:33:07 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 10, 2015, 11:32:20 AM
It's dumb. The other team will take that tradeoff every time of him flying off the handle compared to their scrub at center.

In my opinion he had to make a statement. He was getting beat on pretty regularly.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 10, 2015, 11:48:52 AM
They lose an all-star quality center and all it takes is Kelly Olynyk to do it.

So the statement I take away is, I'm easily riled up and will get ejected and hurt my team while the other scrub center on the other side is laughing. I'd take that trade every time.

Quote
“He’s had enough veteran advice,” Wade told reporters, according to 104.3 The Ticket’s Chris Wittyngham. “There comes a time where you have to do it yourself. There’s only so many words people can continue to say to you. You gotta do it. Not for you, you gotta do it for the other guys in here that you see sacrificing, that you see out there playing hurt and all the things that are going on. “You’re part of a team. You’re part of an organization. We all have our moments, selfish moments. But you can’t continue to keep having them, because you gotta be reliable and you gotta be able to be counted on. And right now, if he continues to act that way, then he’s not reliable.”



 http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25100809/wade-on-whiteside-if-he-continues-to-act-that-way-then-hes-not-reliable
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 10, 2015, 11:50:22 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 10, 2015, 11:48:52 AM
They lose an all-star quality center and all it takes is Kelly Olynyk to do it.

So the statement I take away is, I'm easily riled up and will get ejected and hurt my team while the other scrub center on the other side is laughing. I'd take that trade every time.


 http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25100809/wade-on-whiteside-if-he-continues-to-act-that-way-then-hes-not-reliable

I don't think you'll see it again. I'm sure Wade is handling it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 10, 2015, 11:55:40 AM
Nah Whiteside has been acting like a bitch for the last two weeks, and its clearly frustrating the team.  Apparently Haslem went into the locker room looking rightly pissed off after Whiteside got ejected.  I would not want to fuck with Haslem.

I don't know, this dude has a history of awful behavior and a toxic attitude, and all it took for it to come back was a month of quality play.  Dude needs a reality check.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 10, 2015, 01:38:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf2UDWz2-BI

Quote
Clippers coach Doc Rivers said he didn't see the incident until he arrived at Staples Center before Monday's game against the Minnesota Timberwolves.

"Wow, that was such a violent bump," Rivers said sarcastically. "It was amazing. I told Dahntay, 'You have to be careful; that was too hard.' I guess that tough guy in Golden State, that bump was too hard for him, clearly the way he reacted, my goodness. I thought that guy was tough."

Green explained his lack of reaction Sunday, saying, "Me getting suspended and him getting suspended, it's different."

He added, "If [Jones] gets suspended, they may not even notice."

Jones said he doesn't know Green and was taken aback by the personal nature of his postgame comments.

"I was surprised because that was a little bit immature," Jones said. "He wanted to make something of it."

Jones smiled and laughed as he answered questions about the incident.

"I thought it was just a brush, honestly and truthfully," Jones said. "I may be stronger than what I think I am. I didn't do it on purpose. I don't have a reason to do it on purpose. It's cool. I apologize if I hurt his feelings."

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/12451113/dahntay-jones-los-angeles-clippers-fined-10000-draymond-green-bump


lol. I hadn't followed any of this.


Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 10, 2015, 01:40:24 PM
Worst feud since Deshawn Stevenson actually thought he could beef with Lebron.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 10, 2015, 05:54:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3FtHUMdc-k


Time for out next dumb ass narrative.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 10, 2015, 05:57:44 PM
C'mon now.

In any universe healthy Durant > Westbrook. People have such short memories.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 10, 2015, 06:04:54 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 10, 2015, 05:57:44 PM
C'mon now.

In any universe healthy Durant > Westbrook. People have such short memories.

I wasn't going to post it but then I said fuck it. Might as well see what these people will trot out next.


My late father would often call to tell me some crazy sports take he had and it was almost always something he had heard on first take.  ::)


Anyway two good cavs games this week.

Tonight at Dallas.

Thursday at San Antonio.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: dkdk on March 10, 2015, 06:16:40 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 10, 2015, 11:48:52 AM
They lose an all-star quality center and all it takes is Kelly Olynyk to do it.

So the statement I take away is, I'm easily riled up and will get ejected and hurt my team while the other scrub center on the other side is laughing. I'd take that trade every time.

Quote
“He’s had enough veteran advice,” Wade told reporters, according to 104.3 The Ticket’s Chris Wittyngham. “There comes a time where you have to do it yourself. There’s only so many words people can continue to say to you. You gotta do it. Not for you, you gotta do it for the other guys in here that you see sacrificing, that you see out there playing hurt and all the things that are going on. “You’re part of a team. You’re part of an organization. We all have our moments, selfish moments. But you can’t continue to keep having them, because you gotta be reliable and you gotta be able to be counted on. And right now, if he continues to act that way, then he’s not reliable.”




 http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25100809/wade-on-whiteside-if-he-continues-to-act-that-way-then-hes-not-reliable
DWade just need to teach him to be more clever about his thuggery.

See: Kobe's broken nose & Rondo's broken arm.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 10, 2015, 10:12:44 PM
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1279790-lebron-james-starts-game-without-a-headband-people-freak-out/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 10, 2015, 10:23:34 PM
Cavs kicking the crap out of the Mavs tonight. Everybody looking good
spoiler (click to show/hide)
except Love
[close]

edit: Even he finished up with a decent game stat wise.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on March 10, 2015, 10:29:10 PM
Dallas has looked AWFUL over the past couple weeks. they've been playing good teams, but fuck, they've completely imploded w/ Parsons out
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 11, 2015, 10:11:31 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12461874/players-union-rejects-salary-cap-smoothing-historic-cap-increase-nba-set
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Brehvolution on March 12, 2015, 11:51:18 AM
http://deadspin.com/oblivious-fan-gets-walloped-in-the-face-by-the-basketba-1690977574

It gets funnier with each slow mo. Then you see how little the guy next to her tried to deflect it. :heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 12, 2015, 11:53:14 AM
Quote from: Brehvolution on March 12, 2015, 11:51:18 AM
http://deadspin.com/oblivious-fan-gets-walloped-in-the-face-by-the-basketba-1690977574

It gets funnier with each slow mo. Then you see how little the guy next to her tried to deflect it. :heh

i give that guy in orange 2/10 for effort.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 12, 2015, 11:58:22 AM
Could have easily deflected it... With the hand his phone is in. Man has priorities :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 12, 2015, 12:02:59 PM
Quote from: CatsCatsCats on March 12, 2015, 11:58:22 AM
Could have easily deflected it... With the hand his phone is in. Man has priorities :lol

20 gets you a 100 that if that woman was hot and not all typical grandma CAC dude would have dove to save her. Man does have priorities.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Brehvolution on March 12, 2015, 01:40:25 PM
He was probably like, "I spend all this money for these great seats and you wanna look at your phone? Maybe you wouldn't have got hit if you were paying attention." :hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 12, 2015, 04:51:42 PM
Cavs at San Antonio tonight on TNT. 9:30 EST
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 12, 2015, 11:40:29 PM
Lebron playing without his headband again tonight. Finally surrendering that hairline to father time.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 12, 2015, 11:57:03 PM
That was an awesome lay-up by Kyrie there.


Love is playing so poorly looks like he's been relegated to the bench tonight for crunch time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2015, 12:06:14 AM
James Jones is playing in the 4th quarter instead of Kevin Love...
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2015, 12:09:12 AM
Danny Green with the dagger 3. Spurs too strong tonight. Playing that Spurs basketball. One game but still a problem sign that the Spurs offense gives them fits.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: dkdk on March 13, 2015, 12:16:07 AM
the Spurs make Lebron so mad  :lol

no gooning. no shit talk. just Better Basketball quality play
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2015, 12:17:47 AM
Kevin Love.

29 minutes.

2 of 10.

4 rebs.

8 points.

Did not get off the bench in the 4th quarter in a close game against a top competitor.

I mean either you have to fix this from a coaching/team perspective or he's not a max player.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: dkdk on March 13, 2015, 12:24:47 AM
Love could be sitting on the bench reading the paper for all we know. Watched most of the 2nd half and I forgot he was even on the team
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2015, 12:25:06 AM
Nice comeback attempt by the Cavs.

Kyrie has been great tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2015, 12:25:59 AM
HOLY FUCK!!!!!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2015, 12:26:53 AM
KYRIE FUCKING IRVING!!!!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2015, 12:33:40 AM
Finally love gets the call in ot. For James Jones.. . Who had 2 points...

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2015, 12:36:09 AM
Well this is a playoff game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2015, 12:37:38 AM
Are you fucking kidding me Kyrie Irving.


This fucking game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: dkdk on March 13, 2015, 12:41:21 AM
kyrie

(http://static.tumblr.com/d6e55bfdd0a5398394c3acfe1fdd5f2d/1bfnvao/q6imonmzg/tumblr_static_tumblr_mir9qyogam1s1y1gvo2_500.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2015, 12:43:10 AM
Kyrie and Lebron are gonna be a tough out in the playoffs. My god.

If Love can just give them even half of what he should that would make them something special.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 13, 2015, 12:44:36 AM
It's good to see that the Cavs finally have a player they can rely on in the clutch

(http://www.sportshoopla.com/images/smilies/skip.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 13, 2015, 12:45:29 AM
This is the best game I've watched all season
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2015, 12:48:16 AM
The crazy thing is Kyrie's performance overshadows a 15 of 23, 31 point game from Parker and 9 of 14 from Kawhi.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Cavs over Spurs. Kyrie 57 pts)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2015, 01:01:58 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFqslMAMdCo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoPfTavpt8o
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Cavs over Spurs. Kyrie 57 pts)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 13, 2015, 02:28:40 AM
:rejoice

Love how Leonard is getting talked about for playing great D on Lebron.....who shot 50% and went for 31. :ufup
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Cavs over Spurs. Kyrie 57 pts)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 13, 2015, 02:30:35 AM
So which of y'all crust cutters still thinks the Hawks can beat us in 7?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Cavs over Spurs. Kyrie 57 pts)
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 13, 2015, 02:32:27 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 13, 2015, 02:30:35 AM
So which of y'all crust cutters still thinks the Hawks can beat us in 7?

Nah

spoiler (click to show/hide)
It'll be 6  :patel
[close]
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Cavs over Spurs. Kyrie 57 pts)
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 13, 2015, 03:37:05 AM
Watching the replay of the game now  and Charles Barkley is annoying as hell. He'll talk through multiple possessions about nonsense without anyone else getting a chance to actually call the action on the court.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Cavs over Spurs. Kyrie 57 pts)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 13, 2015, 09:32:08 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_PFSYohJCk
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Cavs over Spurs. Kyrie 57 pts)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 13, 2015, 09:41:53 AM
I have not one bad thing or piece of shit to talk about this guy, class act here.

https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/B_87k2qUUAARLdF.mp4

Talk more shit, Leonard...

http://cdn.streamable.com/video/90f00520c93b11e49a3d3b40d1540a17.webm
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Cavs over Spurs. Kyrie 57 pts)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2015, 10:59:51 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 13, 2015, 03:37:05 AM
Watching the replay of the game now  and Charles Barkley is annoying as hell. He'll talk through multiple possessions about nonsense without anyone else getting a chance to actually call the action on the court.

I agree but you have to remember there are a lot of Sports fan who love that kind of shit. I called up my brother to talk to him about the game and his first immediate comment was to tell me how astute barkley was in his commentary.  ::)

Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Cavs over Spurs. Kyrie 57 pts)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 13, 2015, 11:01:00 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2015, 10:59:51 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 13, 2015, 03:37:05 AM
Watching the replay of the game now  and Charles Barkley is annoying as hell. He'll talk through multiple possessions about nonsense without anyone else getting a chance to actually call the action on the court.

I agree but you have to remember there are a lot of Sports fan who love that kind of shit. I called up my brother to talk to him about the game and his first immediate comment was to tell me how astute barkley was in his commentary.  ::)

He knows more than I do, so I guess I'll listen :yeshrug

Lots of self proclaimed NBA experts around these parts. Emphasis on "self" not "experts"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Cavs over Spurs. Kyrie 57 pts)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2015, 11:17:19 AM
He's about as right and wrong as any fan. It's fine if you want to listen. Entertainment is always fine. Doesn't make him any more correct and in fact he is often incorrect if we want to fact check the things he says or his predictions.

Perfectly good entertainer when he's in the studio though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Cavs over Spurs. Kyrie 57 pts)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 13, 2015, 11:22:06 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2015, 11:17:19 AM
He's about as right and wrong as any fan. It's fine if you want to listen. Entertainment is always fine. Doesn't make him any more correct and in fact he is often incorrect if we want to fact check the things he says or his predictions.

Perfectly good entertainer when he's in the studio though.

So, to surmise, based on your written word here you believe YOU would be a better analyst of the NBA despite 0 experience? Interesting, I am now an expert on white people's family relationships because I watched the Brady Bunch. :hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Cavs over Spurs. Kyrie 57 pts)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2015, 11:25:07 AM
I believe that you think any ex player insights are brilliant. And I don't agree with that. In fact I think it often blinds people to actual correct analysis because its all about when I played and what I did versus how things are actually taking place at the moment and the reality of people who actually coach the game or gm the game.

So we all have our viewpoints on analysis and I've leave it at that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Cavs over Spurs. Kyrie 57 pts)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 13, 2015, 11:28:07 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2015, 11:25:07 AM
I believe that you think any ex player insights are brilliant. And I don't agree with that. In fact I think it often blinds people to actual correct analysis because its all about when I played and what I did versus how things are actually taking place at the moment and the reality of people who actually coach the game or gm the game.

So we all have our viewpoints on analysis and I've leave it at that.

So if I built 25 houses I might be swayed because of how I built them and not recognize the issue of a fellow builder? Where as you, who has never built a house, but watched a lot of Bob Villa will correctly find the faults and identify them?

I think you don't quite understand why announcing is 95% ex players. They lived it.

Now to be fair, some of them are terrible at it and get by on name recognition (I'm looking at you, Rich Gannon) but a lot of them are very, very, good at what they do (Clark Kellog, Tom Hamilton of the Indians, etc)  which i believe probably equates to how many stupid shits are doing jobs they don't qualify for in every field.

I also recognize that guys like Craig Sager and Marv Albert never played but are very competent at what they do. No disputing that. However the odds are stacked in my favor sir.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Cavs over Spurs. Kyrie 57 pts)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2015, 11:32:21 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 13, 2015, 11:28:07 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2015, 11:25:07 AM
I believe that you think any ex player insights are brilliant. And I don't agree with that. In fact I think it often blinds people to actual correct analysis because its all about when I played and what I did versus how things are actually taking place at the moment and the reality of people who actually coach the game or gm the game.

So we all have our viewpoints on analysis and I've leave it at that.

So if I built 25 houses I might be swayed because of how I built them and not recognize the issue of a fellow builder? Where as you, who has never built a house, but watched a lot of Bob Villa will correctly find the faults and identify them?

I think you don't quite understand why announcing is 95% ex players. They lived it.

And the ones who are really good at it in theory are generally the ones who are actually coaching it or doing the real gm work. Or they make that transition. When Barkley becomes a GM and starts coaching and assembles a team or coaches a team then he can point to actual experience at doing the thing well because he did the thing well. Currently he can speak to the individual experience of being a great player. Or playing in the NBA. Which is absolutely fine and entertaining. But I don't take Charles Barkley as the the high end of basketball analysis on those subjects

Clearly you do however. And you are entitled to that opinion. I don't at all. And when he says something dumb imo I'll point it out. Same as when he says something clever.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Cavs over Spurs. Kyrie 57 pts)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 13, 2015, 11:38:20 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2015, 11:32:21 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 13, 2015, 11:28:07 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2015, 11:25:07 AM
I believe that you think any ex player insights are brilliant. And I don't agree with that. In fact I think it often blinds people to actual correct analysis because its all about when I played and what I did versus how things are actually taking place at the moment and the reality of people who actually coach the game or gm the game.

So we all have our viewpoints on analysis and I've leave it at that.

So if I built 25 houses I might be swayed because of how I built them and not recognize the issue of a fellow builder? Where as you, who has never built a house, but watched a lot of Bob Villa will correctly find the faults and identify them?

I think you don't quite understand why announcing is 95% ex players. They lived it.

And the ones who are really good at it in theory are generally the ones who are actually coaching it or doing the real gm work. Or they make that transition. When Barkley becomes a GM and starts coaching and assembles a team or coaches a team then he can point to actual experience at doing the thing well because he did the thing well. Currently he can speak to the individual experience of being a great player. Or playing in the NBA. Which is absolutely fine and entertaining. But I don't take Charles Barkley as the the high end of basketball analysis on those subject.

Clearly you do however. And you are entitled to that opinion. I don't at all. And when he says something dumb imo I'll point it out.

Good debate. We'll always clash over this but I respect your acumen.


Anyway moving on......

I believe these 4 teams have to be favorites to win it all this year, in no particular order:

Golden State
San Antonio (They showed what they have been hiding all year last night, knew it was gonna happen)
Cleveland
Memphis (people should stop sleeping on them)

Sleepers who would have to be hot at the right time

Atlanta (Not ready yet, but next year watch out)
Dallas
Houston
Clippers

Dropped out due to injuries

Chicago (No Rose, no win)
Portland (Matthews is going to kill them)


Teams I secretly hope get in the playoffs just to watch

New Orleans
Oklahoma City
Hornets (That MJ favoritism)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Cavs over Spurs. Kyrie 57 pts)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2015, 11:41:55 AM
For what its worth I'm not trying to pretend I individually know shit. I wish I did. I'm just a lifelong basketball fan. But I'm wrong, wrong, wrong ,wrong everytime I make any prediction and this thread is a testament to it. I've been wrong so many times, its a running joke especially during the Heat years where I was a constant debbie downer on them as they won championships or ran through the regular season.

On a side note looks like simmons is doing a basketball podcast every monday in the run up to the playoffs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6hBNKSBzeU
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Cavs over Spurs. Kyrie 57 pts)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 13, 2015, 11:43:51 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2015, 11:41:55 AM
For what its worth I'm not trying to pretend I individually know shit. I wish I did. I'm just a lifelong basketball fan. But I'm wrong, wrong, wrong ,wrong everytime I make any prediction and this thread is a testament to it. I've been wrong so many times, its a running joke especially during the Heat years where I was a constant debbie downer on them as they won championships or ran through the regular season.

You should see me trying to predict college football anymore  :mindblown

Anyway be very careful of San Antonio, you saw what I did last night. They are just getting warmed up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Cavs over Spurs. Kyrie 57 pts)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 13, 2015, 11:47:10 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2015, 11:41:55 AM
For what its worth I'm not trying to pretend I individually know shit. I wish I did. I'm just a lifelong basketball fan. But I'm wrong, wrong, wrong ,wrong everytime I make any prediction and this thread is a testament to it. I've been wrong so many times, its a running joke especially during the Heat years where I was a constant debbie downer on them as they won championships or ran through the regular season.

Looks like simmons is doing a basketball podcast every monday in the run up to the playoffs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6hBNKSBzeU

I use to really enjoy Simmons when the Sports Guy was just a normal dude writing about sports. Even when he was in the Page 2 era he was really entertaining.

Now however, his ego is as big as his anti-Lebron stance and it gets old. He believes his own hype now but what he doesn't know is that when he leaves ESPN he's going to find out he isn't the next Peter Gammons or Peter King, he'll be a B tier NBA writer from Sports Illustrated.

He simply doesn't understand he's just a cog in the machine, not the power switch.

I can't speak for Gammons specifically but King is a classy guy. I got to speak with him quite a few times over the years and I always appreciate what he has to say. He cuts through the shit and he for sure plays favorites (everybody knows it/Brett Favre), but he would never attack you in a column without calling you first to let you have a chance to change his mind. Massive respect from the league for that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Cavs over Spurs. Kyrie 57 pts)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2015, 11:52:50 AM
I generally like Simmons podcasts for his guests. Like Zach Lowe is on this one and I really like his basketball stuff.

Simmon's basketball analysis while never especially technical and way too narrative driven at least was passionate. He was a passionate fan. But the passionate fan thing which works well in writing works less well over an hour podcast.

That being said, I view him mainly a host who talks to people who actually have basketball knowledge versus him being the expert. In that sort of way I think I can listen to him. And I will respect that he does gives basketball more run than the other sports which is rare nowadays.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Cavs over Spurs. Kyrie 57 pts)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 13, 2015, 11:53:44 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2015, 11:52:50 AM
I generally like Simmons podcasts for his guests. Like Zach Lowe is on this one and I really like his basketball stuff.

Simmon's basketball analysis while never especially technical and way too narrative driven at least was passionate. He was a passionate fan. But the passionate fan thing which works well in writing works less over an hour podcast.

That being said, I view him mainly a host who talks to people who actually have basketball knowledge versus him being the expert. In that sort of way I think I can listen to him. And I will respect that he does gives basketball more run than the other sports which is rare nowadays.

God I hate to say this because he was always my friend in college, but Jalen Rose is complete :trash as an analyst/sports personality. I think ESPN believes this to be true as well or he'd already have his own show.

When he did his whole carrying the bat during basketball discussions I was sitting there like  :larry

(don't be mad, J)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Cavs over Spurs. Kyrie 57 pts)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2015, 11:59:22 AM
I like them when they are together. I think they are fun when they do the stuff on Grantland.

Stuff like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM-bRCGBw0M


I don't take it seriously. It's like an ex jock and a real passionate fan talking about basketball. And its very loose and I feel like I get to see their personality in the same way you get to see the personalities of the inside the nba guys. They are having fun and being entertaining and it rubs off on me.

Now when they were both on Countdown on ESPN, I thought they were terrible. They couldn't bring that same style to the  studio show and all that energy was drained from it. That being said ESPN and ABC always have terrible pre-game and half-time shows. They can't match the looseness and fun of the tnt stuff. But I feel like Bill and Jalen on Grantland are closer than anything they do currently.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Cavs over Spurs. Kyrie 57 pts)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 13, 2015, 12:03:22 PM
I can see that.


That's every sunday at my house man. Every sunday.

Dude AiA what do you think about basing the Rams offense on the counter trap man?

Me "I dunno man, you know as much as I do"

Dude "Oh you're bullshitting"

Me "I wasn't an offensive coordinator dude. I can tell you the weakside cover isn't moving the flanker inside enough

Dude :mindblown

Me:   :yeshrug

Some dudes are cool about and treat me like a fan because that's what I am. Some mystery guests are the "I peaked in high school guy who now focuses 110% of my time on sports knowledge"....don't be that guy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Cavs over Spurs. Kyrie 57 pts)
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 13, 2015, 12:07:05 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2015, 10:59:51 AM

I agree but you have to remember there are a lot of Sports fan who love that kind of shit. I called up my brother to talk to him about the game and his first immediate comment was to tell me how astute barkley was in his commentary.  ::)

I guess that's the thing. If you're buying what he is selling, you don't mind him taking over a broadcast. I just don't want to hear that shit while the game is going on. I just want them to call the game and fill my head with stats. I don't mind guys giving you an athletes perspective, but it better be really good (like Cris Colinsworth-level).

Charles just sounds like some old dude at the bar that already has his opinions on things and tries to bend every conversation/reaction into reinforcing those ideas.


Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Cavs over Spurs. Kyrie 57 pts)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 13, 2015, 12:13:08 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 13, 2015, 12:07:05 PM
Charles just sounds like some old dude at the bar that already has his opinions on things and tries to bend every conversation/reaction into reinforcing those ideas.

Hey wait a minute, I resemble that remark, damnit!   :tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Cavs over Spurs. Kyrie 57 pts)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2015, 12:13:51 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 13, 2015, 12:07:05 PM
Charles just sounds like some old dude at the bar that already has his opinions on things and tries to bend every conversation/reaction into reinforcing those ideas.

Barkley reminds of everybody's father. I mean everybody's dad has these strong opinions and you can't argue with them about it. You just have to kind of take it and go that's my dad. That's the way they see the world. Their knowledge is all based around their life experience and if you try to argue or tell them about some new thing, they still defer to their life experience in all cases and how it will inform future situations.

I get it. There is some value in that. Barkley will sometimes say really insightful things that his playing career has legit taught him that me as just a regular fan will never understand. But I think a lot of fans nowadays myself included want multiple insights. A barkely insight is fine but we want that mixed in with a bunch of other insights to balance it off. We live in a money-ball age where multiple insights on everything are more interesting to a lot of us.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Cavs over Spurs. Kyrie 57 pts)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 13, 2015, 12:16:19 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2015, 12:13:51 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 13, 2015, 12:07:05 PM
Charles just sounds like some old dude at the bar that already has his opinions on things and tries to bend every conversation/reaction into reinforcing those ideas.

Barkley reminds of everybody's father. I mean everybody's dad has these strong opinions and you can't argue with them about it. You just have to kind of take it and go that's my dad. That's the way they see the world. Their knowledge is all based around their life experience and if you try to argue or tell them about some new thing, they still defer to their life experience in all cases and how it will inform future situations.

I get it. There is some value in that. Barkley will sometimes say really insightful things that his playing career has legit taught him that me as just a regular fan will never understand. But I think a lot of fans nowadays myself included want multiple insights. A barkely insight is fine but we want that mixed in with a bunch of other insights to balance it off.

I think the right solution for everyone is to put Charles back in the studio, fire shaq and replace him with Shane Battier, and hire Chris Webber to call in game.

Because if Barkley is bad, Shaq is a fucking disaster.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GOTY Cavs over Spurs. Kyrie 57 pts)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2015, 12:35:09 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 13, 2015, 12:16:19 PM
Because if Barkley is bad, Shaq is a fucking disaster.

I don't think Barkley is bad. I think he's great in the studio for them. But yeah not a Shaq fan. I hope they eventually replace him but he's such a big name it seems unlikely in the short term.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 13, 2015, 09:20:18 PM
That day when AiA had a great debate with Stoney Mason and Bill Simmons took AiA 's side :rejoice

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nba-trade-value-sneak-peek-no-10-kyrie-irving/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Brehvolution on March 16, 2015, 02:54:41 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAOhPglUkAE_Uos.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 16, 2015, 03:01:16 PM
Jealousy is a bitch tho.

How's dem celtics right now?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 16, 2015, 03:41:14 PM
They're actually playing pretty well lately.  And the Jazz too, holy shit
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 16, 2015, 03:41:57 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 16, 2015, 03:41:14 PM
They're actually playing pretty well lately.  And the Jazz too, holy shit

Good, let them earn the #7 seed. We could use the rest after we sweep them.

I'd rather play them than the heat, hornets, or Pacers honestly.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 16, 2015, 04:03:40 PM
I'm not scared of the Heat or Hornets.  Pacers and Celtics look formidable enough to steal a game
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 17, 2015, 02:24:33 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAK45T-23Vo
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 18, 2015, 12:18:45 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YIrAWdXV8g
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 18, 2015, 11:09:20 PM
Hawks versus Warriors on espn for any basketball heads still up on the east coast.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 18, 2015, 11:38:25 PM
Wade had a great game tonight
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 19, 2015, 08:23:05 AM
Cav's entire team is on a different level right now. This may be the best team Lebron has ever had, Miami included.

It's going to be fun to watch them in the playoffs.

I Love the fact that Love is starting to get the ball on the block now. His passing skills are fantastic.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 19, 2015, 09:04:17 AM
It's the best offensive team he has ever had. But that defense ...

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 19, 2015, 09:06:17 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 19, 2015, 09:04:17 AM
It's the best offensive team he has ever had. But that defense ...

Hmmmm, in the last 30 games they are Top 5 in the league.

So good, in fact, they are now well above the league average for the SEASON

http://www.oddsshark.com/nba/defensive-stats

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 19, 2015, 10:03:49 AM
Warriors were super impressive last night. That team has so many looks and weapons it can throw at you.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 19, 2015, 10:20:30 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 19, 2015, 10:03:49 AM
Warriors were super impressive last night. That team has so many looks and weapons it can throw at you.

Kerr is a hell of a coach man.


I love Mark Jackson trying to get shots in every time he calls a GS game, one of the more funny yet cringe worthy moments of the season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 19, 2015, 12:15:56 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2401254-vlade-divac-says-shaq-wasnt-talentedjust-strong-while-praising-boogie?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=cnn-sports-bin


:beli
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 19, 2015, 12:34:39 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 19, 2015, 09:06:17 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 19, 2015, 09:04:17 AM
It's the best offensive team he has ever had. But that defense ...

Hmmmm, in the last 30 games they are Top 5 in the league.

So good, in fact, they are now well above the league average for the SEASON

http://www.oddsshark.com/nba/defensive-stats



I can't see that link while at work, but defensive efficiency they are still in the bottom 1/3 of the league for the season. Their def rebounding is pretty dreadful too.

http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats/_/sort/defensiveEff/order/false


I'm not a big stat head, but all of those Miami teams seemed to have great defense and many of those later Cavs teams did also.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 19, 2015, 01:22:15 PM
The Heats defense was dreadful last season
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 19, 2015, 01:27:34 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 19, 2015, 12:34:39 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 19, 2015, 09:06:17 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 19, 2015, 09:04:17 AM
It's the best offensive team he has ever had. But that defense ...

Hmmmm, in the last 30 games they are Top 5 in the league.

So good, in fact, they are now well above the league average for the SEASON

http://www.oddsshark.com/nba/defensive-stats



I can't see that link while at work, but defensive efficiency they are still in the bottom 1/3 of the league for the season. Their def rebounding is pretty dreadful too.

http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats/_/sort/defensiveEff/order/false


I'm not a big stat head, but all of those Miami teams seemed to have great defense and many of those later Cavs teams did also.

Uh, Miami was terrible at defense.

And screw hollingers bullshit stats. There are only 3 that matter  Points for/Points against/Wins

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Rman on March 20, 2015, 12:40:20 PM
Looks like Durant will be out for longer.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 20, 2015, 12:43:46 PM
Quote from: Rman on March 20, 2015, 12:40:20 PM
Looks like Durant will be out for longer.

Big men and them foot injuries man. Feel bad for the guy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 20, 2015, 12:47:44 PM
I love Durant and feel bad for him, but OKC is forever cursed until the Sonics are back.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 23, 2015, 11:39:41 AM
http://grantland.com/son-of-the-congo/

Also

http://www.nba.com/thedanceneverends/?cid=print_neverends

 :comeon

Lame. Get a better marketing idea than trying to piggyback off college basketball which isn't even very relevant to the modern nba fandom.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 23, 2015, 12:37:48 PM
There is no such thing as college basketball anymore. It's team 3 pointer Pig.

:trash
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 23, 2015, 12:58:38 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on March 20, 2015, 12:47:44 PM
I love Durant and feel bad for him, but OKC is forever cursed until the Sonics are back.

No, they're forever cursed because Lil B cursed Durant in 2011.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 23, 2015, 03:15:29 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2015/03/kevin_love_on_lebron_james_wer.html#incart_2box

Oh, Kevin, you just continue to say stupid things. Good fucking grief.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 23, 2015, 03:46:46 PM
I don't care for the guy, but he was just being honest. Can't hate on him for that.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 23, 2015, 03:48:57 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 23, 2015, 03:46:46 PM
I don't care for the guy, but he was just being honest. Can't hate on him for that.

You support YOUR TEAMMATE for MVP, what the fuck man?


In terms of "best friends" I could care less, you don't have to like your teammates off the field/court.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Beezy on March 23, 2015, 05:38:32 PM
I'd normally agree, but Westbrook is putting up crazy stat lines every night.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: naff on March 23, 2015, 10:02:09 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 23, 2015, 12:58:38 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on March 20, 2015, 12:47:44 PM
I love Durant and feel bad for him, but OKC is forever cursed until the Sonics are back.

No, they're forever cursed because Lil B cursed Durant in 2011.

He lifted it for a while, then something happened and he reapplied it  :'(

(http://cdn.triangleoffense.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/kevin-durant-lil-b.jpeg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 23, 2015, 10:09:38 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 23, 2015, 03:48:57 PM


You support YOUR TEAMMATE for MVP, what the fuck man?
In terms of "best friends" I could care less, you don't have to like your teammates off the field/court.


Here's my problem with that, the media (and fans) kill these athletes for being uninteresting, quiet and politically correct. Then when a dude actually speaks his mind we call him foolish or loud-mouthed. It's a pretty unfair double standard.

I'd rather have a sports world where everyone speaks their mind, rather than toe the line.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 23, 2015, 10:53:11 PM
Remind me to work with AiA someday.  Dude would have my back on something regardless.  Seems pretty gosh darn loyal
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 23, 2015, 11:54:13 PM
ayo what happened to the Pistons? Stopped paying attention and now they're far away from the 8th seed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 24, 2015, 12:15:04 AM
Jennings' injury and Reggie Jackson sucks
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: T-Short on March 24, 2015, 04:20:41 AM
Yep, they've been pretty shaky since the trade deadline, Reggie has taken some time to get up to speed and they've had pretty much zero contribution from their SF:s (although Caron has been putting up numbers in the latest few games). Also Jodie Meeks forgot how to shoot. And hack-a-Dre is in full effect in pretty much every game now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: T-Short on March 24, 2015, 04:32:43 AM
Wow, the Nets were 1/17 from three last night  :clap
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: T-Short on March 24, 2015, 09:03:45 AM
(http://www.capitaltrachea.se/misc/jarrett.jpg)

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2015, 09:04:33 AM
Quote from: Hyoushi on March 24, 2015, 04:32:43 AM
Wow, the Nets were 1/17 from three last night  :clap

 :heh

Jarrett Jack has always been a quality guy. Sad to see him having to play out this season in the deadzone.  :tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2015, 09:07:49 AM
I think Russell Westbrook will end up being a great great player who never wins shit. His game just doesn't mesh well in the NBA.

Think our generations Nique or Barkley.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: benjipwns on March 26, 2015, 02:04:46 AM
Fun article half-history/half-speculation about John Calipari's stint with the Nets and any future NBA jobs: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/2015/story/_/id/12553957/why-kentucky-wildcats-coach-john-calipari-failed-nba-why-happen-again-leaves-go-back-ncaa-tournament

Also Jayson Williams wants to kill him.

Quote
Seven men owned the Nets, often with seven different ideas on whether to sell the franchise, and Calipari's presence only added to the instability. He was a coach who thrived on chaos, on creating enemies inside and outside the organization. Calipari actually never signed his five-year Nets contract -- he only signed an employment agreement and forever haggled over second-tier details that weren't ironed out -- and that drove some executives mad.
:dead

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 23, 2015, 11:54:13 PM
ayo what happened to the Pistons? Stopped paying attention and now they're far away from the 8th seed.
Jennings injury took the wind out of their sails and they don't have anybody else who can run the point and shoot.

Reggie Jackson gives back as many points as he gets on the offensive end. I don't think Monroe and Drummond care much for him either. On the plus side Tayshaun is contributing 6.5 points per game!

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 19, 2015, 01:27:34 PM
Uh, Miami was terrible at defense.

And screw hollingers bullshit stats. There are only 3 that matter  Points for/Points against/Wins
:neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: benjipwns on March 26, 2015, 02:19:05 AM
Quote
"Dennis Rodman, of all people, once came over to Cal and said, 'Hey, you need to calm down and just let 'em play,'" recalled Kendall Gill, one of the stars of Calipari's 1997 playoff team. "If hearing that from Dennis Rodman isn't a message, I don't know what is."
lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 26, 2015, 08:25:13 AM
Did you guys see those Deandre Jordan highlights against the Knicks last night? Good lord, he looked like 1999 Shaq on them.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 26, 2015, 10:35:42 AM
The Cavs are balling......any questions?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 26, 2015, 10:36:10 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 26, 2015, 08:25:13 AM
Did you guys see those Deandre Jordan highlights against the Knicks last night? Good lord, he looked like 1999 Shaq on them.

To be fair I think a team of Borians could compete with the Knicks for at least a quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 26, 2015, 11:14:14 AM
Yeah that was probably the best individual game of the season last night for the Cavs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 26, 2015, 11:15:23 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 26, 2015, 11:14:14 AM
Yeah that was probably the best individual game of the season last night for the Cavs.

getting hot at the right time. Reminds me of the Spurs last year. Not saying we'll win it all, just that we are peaking at the right time.

Keeping our Big 3 at less than 35 minutes a game is also pretty cool.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Beezy on March 26, 2015, 11:39:14 AM
http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2015/03/22/cliff-alexander-kansas-charles-barkley-video

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 26, 2015, 07:03:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaN2v9JFImg
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 26, 2015, 07:15:27 PM
That was funny 8 years ago.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 26, 2015, 07:34:34 PM
Alonzo's reaction :rofl

btw the Coli thread on this brought up some other sports urban legend quotes including this gem:

    When Rickey Henderson was playing in Seattle, he approached John Olerud at the batting cage and asked him why he always wore that silly helmet. Olerud, slightly confused, explained that he had an aneurysm when he was nine years old and that he wore the helmet for protection.

    Henderson: “Man, I played with a guy like that in Toronto. That’s crazy!”

    Olerud: “Yeah, Ricky. That was me.”
     
:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 26, 2015, 07:40:47 PM
Rickey amazes me. Google his investments...he did very well.

"Rickey too fast for his shoes"

Met him a couple of times hearing "Rickey is Rickey man" when asked what he was like the first time. I was like okay man you know he's just playing a role. Nah.

We are hanging out at this rich girls house and rickey was chilling by the pool and before he even shook my hand he said "jesus walked on water but rickey can run on that shit man."

Funny guy though, I'm still convinced it's 40% act man.



Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 27, 2015, 12:10:04 PM
http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12561636/inside-jeremy-lin-life-linsanity-new-york-knicks
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 27, 2015, 12:54:08 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2218871-br-nba-legends-100-ranking-the-greatest-small-forwards-of-all-time/page/28


So many problems with this list.

Pippen is only 6th?

Lebron above Larry Bird?

Da fuck?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Steve Contra on March 27, 2015, 01:04:22 PM
Historical lists r dum.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 27, 2015, 01:08:23 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on March 27, 2015, 01:04:22 PM
Historical lists r dum.

Yes and this one takes the fucking cake.

Edit: Nevermind

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/30e0de/i_am_bill_walton_nba_hall_of_famer_sportscaster/

What the FUCK does he smoke and how can I get a pound of it?

sousedbergin 93 points 1 day ago
This answer exceeded my wildest dreams.

officialbillwalton 217 points 1 day ago
There is nothing like a wild dream. Chase your dream. Make your dream reality, make your dream your life, make your dream you job and somehow find a way to get milked


EmbracedByLeaves 27 points 1 day ago
Do you think you could beat Abraham Lincoln in a knife fight?

officialbillwalton 111 points 23 hours ago
I'm all about peace and love. We were just with Ringo the other night and he reinforced my longstanding commitment and dedication to those ideals. I like to win and I play to win. Coach Wooden's 2 favorite people on Earth were Abraham Lincoln and Mother Teresa. I used to love the tales that Coach Wooden would tell of he and Young Abe growing up together in the Midwest.

 :kobeyuck

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Mandark on March 27, 2015, 02:37:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyQpsmJ94AU

The Bill Walton experience in 37 seconds.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 27, 2015, 04:05:11 PM
Quote
Kevin Durant will have bone graft surgery on his ailing right foot and miss the remainder of the season, Oklahoma City Thunder general manager Sam Presti announced Friday.

Durant will have the procedure early next week and is expected to return to basketball activities in the next four to six months.

The news comes a week after Presti announced that Durant been "removed from basketball activities" and insinuated he could be shut down.


http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12569813/kevin-durant-oklahoma-city-thunder-more-foot-surgery-miss-remainder-season
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 27, 2015, 04:44:10 PM
I knew Portland made the right choice when they picked Oden. Just took awhile to pan out.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 29, 2015, 02:41:55 AM
Maybe old

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oC-FkwFPt8A
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: benjipwns on March 30, 2015, 12:14:07 AM
Quote
Some peers of former Detroit Pistons general manager Joe Dumars contend he could be back on the job this summer.

One potential destination for Dumars, some NBA execs say, is New Orleans, which is on the outside looking in for a playoff spot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 30, 2015, 12:18:11 AM
Wasn't one Katrina enough?
:snoop
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 30, 2015, 02:46:13 AM
Hey, I see it as a sign of racial progress that Dumars can get in on that 'executive failure carousel' that white men have enjoyed for years.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 30, 2015, 01:15:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFFJ3ssnDAc


About 2 weeks old but good listen with doug collins.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 30, 2015, 09:21:03 PM
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Houston Rockets starting point guard Patrick Beverley will undergo season-ending wrist surgery Tuesday.

The Rockets announced Monday that Beverley needs the surgery to repair a torn ligament in his left wrist.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 30, 2015, 10:27:55 PM
Rockets are this years 07 Cavs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: benjipwns on March 31, 2015, 06:36:13 AM
Kendrick Perkins has a PER of 2 with the Cavs  :lol

He was putting up 8's with the Thunder. 8's!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 31, 2015, 12:42:10 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 31, 2015, 06:36:13 AM
Kendrick Perkins has a PER of 2 with the Cavs  :lol

He was putting up 8's with the Thunder. 8's!

He barely gets in games. Maybe he will have some minor use in the playoffs but yeah, otherwise he's pointless much as his statistics suggest.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Cheddahz on March 31, 2015, 12:54:29 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 30, 2015, 12:14:07 AM
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Some peers of former Detroit Pistons general manager Joe Dumars contend he could be back on the job this summer.

One potential destination for Dumars, some NBA execs say, is New Orleans, which is on the outside looking in for a playoff spot.
Anthony Davis getting moved for Josh Smith over the summer then?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: benjipwns on April 01, 2015, 01:51:13 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 30, 2015, 02:46:13 AM
Hey, I see it as a sign of racial progress that Dumars can get in on that 'executive failure carousel' that white men have enjoyed for years.
Billy King takes offense to this, but would like to offer you a six year $75 million contract anyway.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: benjipwns on April 01, 2015, 11:55:03 PM
https://vine.co/v/OL7FFmizKr5
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 02, 2015, 12:01:34 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on April 01, 2015, 01:51:13 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 30, 2015, 02:46:13 AM
Hey, I see it as a sign of racial progress that Dumars can get in on that 'executive failure carousel' that white men have enjoyed for years.
Billy King takes offense to this, but would like to offer you a six year $75 million contract anyway.

"But I hired Billy King" seemed like such a more potent defense than anything Sterling ultimately tried.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 02, 2015, 09:05:12 AM
Cavs versus Heat tonight should be pretty much a playoff game in terms of intensity.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 02, 2015, 10:08:49 AM
I don't really see the motivation for the Cavs to go all out.  Aside from the usual Thursday night pressure of wanting to perform on a national stage.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 02, 2015, 10:09:42 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on April 02, 2015, 10:08:49 AM
I don't really see the motivation for the Cavs to go all out.

They'll want to send a message as they haven't been good against the heat all year. This will probably be the last full participation game of the season.

I have a feeling the plan is to come screaming out of the gate and hope to have it in the bag by the end of the 3rd.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 02, 2015, 10:27:33 AM
Home game for Cleveland against the Heat...I think Lebron goes hard
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 02, 2015, 08:01:29 PM
Cavs have heat tonight and chicago sunday but after that they probably will shut it down.

Might live blog this one.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 02, 2015, 08:04:59 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 02, 2015, 08:01:29 PM
Cavs have heat tonight and chicago sunday but after that they probably will shut it down.

Might live blog this one.

Link pls
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 02, 2015, 08:14:17 PM
He live blogs in this thread AiA

Should be a fun one.  Really wanna see how the Cavs play without Love tonight. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 02, 2015, 08:25:57 PM
So far so meh.

We're gonna kill them in the playoffs.

Lebron just hit another milestone
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 02, 2015, 08:32:59 PM
Whiteside is fun to watch.  Too bad he's a cunt
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 02, 2015, 08:38:19 PM
Fun game.  Definitely a "Live by the JR..." Kinda game.  Lebron doing work down low.  Great shooting by both teams. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 02, 2015, 08:43:01 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 02, 2015, 08:38:19 PM
Fun game.  Definitely a "Live by the JR..." Kinda game.  Lebron doing work down low.  Great shooting by both teams.

Ya know it's pretty awesome that in a small forum on the corner of the internet I have a couple of fellow cavs' fans.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 02, 2015, 08:45:06 PM
Heat might get smoked here.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 02, 2015, 09:02:20 PM
Cavs just look very locked in. Lebron has had his serious game face going for the last few weeks now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 02, 2015, 09:05:18 PM
Yikes.  Old man Wade' knees :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Your Stalker on April 03, 2015, 01:21:07 AM
great fuckin game at the oracle arena  :whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 03, 2015, 08:54:11 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on April 02, 2015, 10:08:49 AM
I don't really see the motivation for the Cavs to go all out.  Aside from the usual Thursday night pressure of wanting to perform on a national stage.

:ufup


Told you they would blow them the fuck out :rejoice

We are ready for the post season, god help whoever we get in round 1.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 03, 2015, 12:19:20 PM
Cavs look very solid. Especially for the Eastern Conference. They would be my pick to come out of the East, no disrespect to the Hawks.

I see lots of problems with them matching up with the Spurs or Warriors, but that's too far down the road to talk about now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 03, 2015, 12:20:08 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 03, 2015, 12:19:20 PM
Cavs look very solid. Especially for the Eastern Conference. They would be my pick to come out of the East, no disrespect to the Hawks.

I see lots of problems with them matching up with the Spurs or Warriors, but that's too far down the road to talk about now.

Spurs, Warriors, and a healthy Clippers squad could be issues, yuppers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 03, 2015, 04:14:36 PM
I'm personally hoping for a Cavs/Grizz Finals, just to see the NBA cry about the markets
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: HiResDes on April 04, 2015, 11:45:44 AM
People sleeping on the Blazers again I see. Also I like the Rockets versus the Cavs if they end up in the Finals.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Beezy on April 04, 2015, 01:16:58 PM
Not sleeping, but losing Matthews hurt them a lot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: HiResDes on April 04, 2015, 01:44:18 PM
Quote from: Beezy on April 04, 2015, 01:16:58 PM
Not sleeping, but losing Matthews hurt them a lot.
True. What is up with the injury plague on younger star guards on playoff teams over the past years?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 04, 2015, 02:53:02 PM
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Eight months after breaking his leg in a USA Basketball scrimmage, Paul George will return to the Indiana Pacers lineup on Sunday, he says.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlCQIIDlWPQ
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 04, 2015, 07:17:49 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on April 04, 2015, 03:48:24 PM
Durant out... Ouch.

Not only has LeBron been incredibly lucky wrt Eastern Conference rival teams getting fucked by injury, but his legacy has really dodged a bullet with the Thunder being so incredibly mismanaged and the player who could most easily surpass him being injured a lot. In a world where LeBron doesn't have a maxed out luck stat, the Thunder are probably going for their third or fourth chip right now with a pretty good window still open.

You're insane. They were what they were against the Heat. Not good enough

And I fucking HATED that heat team and it hurts to say that.

Now if you put Lebron on that squad in place of Durant or you replace Westbrook with a Chris Paul yeah they would be great. Their talent is godlike but their chemistry (and coaching, yes) is an anchor
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 04, 2015, 07:22:31 PM
And I think it's unquestionable that Durant had to go now. This is Russ' s team. They need an all around unselfish 3 and they are ready to compete next year...no doubt.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Your Stalker on April 04, 2015, 09:18:35 PM
https://vine.co/v/Olj6m6ghaHM

Oh God! :holeup
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 04, 2015, 11:13:29 PM
Quote from: Your Stalker on April 04, 2015, 09:18:35 PM
https://vine.co/v/Olj6m6ghaHM

Oh God! :holeup

Holy shit
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: benjipwns on April 05, 2015, 12:37:56 AM
Steve Kerr tonight clinched the best record in NBA history for a first year coach.

Unless you count Avery Johnson's 16-2 stint after Don Nelson stepped down.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: benjipwns on April 05, 2015, 12:40:03 AM
Best and Worst first year coaches:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Avery Johnson: 16-2 (73 win pace)
Steve Kerr: 63-13 (68 win pace)
Tom Thibodeau: 62-20
Paul Westphal: 62-20 (went to the Finals)
Avery Johnson's first full season: 60-22 (went to the Finals)
Bill Russell: 60-21
Larry Bird: 58-24
Mike Dunleavy: 58-24 (went to the Finals)
Pat Riley: 50-21 (58 win pace, won NBA title)
Billy Cunningham: 53-23 (57 win pace)
Chris Ford: 56-26
Jack Ramsay: 55-27
Phil Jackson: 55-27
Scott Skiles: 40-22 (53 win pace)
Butch Van Breda Kolff: 52-30
John Lucas: 39-22 (52 win pace)
Lawrence Frank: 25-15 (52 win pace, first full season 42-40)
Rick Carlisle: 50-32
Larry Brown*: 50-32
Brian Hill: 50-32
Mike Brown: 50-32

Derek Fisher: 14-62 (15 win pace)
Kevin Loughrey**: 5-26 (13 win pace)
Quinn Buckner: 13-69
Bill Hanzlik: 11-71
Roy Rubin**: 4-47 (6 win pace)
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: El Babua on April 05, 2015, 01:08:27 AM
 :larry Heat

Just end this season already.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 06, 2015, 01:48:13 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LbSyRvK8Gc
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 06, 2015, 08:00:08 AM
(http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/4251.png&w=350&h=254)

He's back. Noticeably favoring that leg though, might have been too early.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYKgF2DRkWc
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 06, 2015, 10:03:09 AM
That missed foul call, tho.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: benjipwns on April 06, 2015, 12:53:51 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/MX86PoR.jpg)

http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12095116/watch-nba-stars-age-your-eyes
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 06, 2015, 12:55:17 PM
Definitely looks like a pedo.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 06, 2015, 01:06:42 PM
Looks like a dude PD would meet in a rest stop bathroom :hitler

Also, wtf at the Hawks. Be lucky to get out of the 2nd round at this point.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 06, 2015, 01:09:38 PM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on April 06, 2015, 01:06:42 PM
Looks like a dude PD would meet in a rest stop bathroom :hitler

Since when do I fuck with white men?
:gurl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 06, 2015, 01:11:12 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 06, 2015, 01:09:38 PM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on April 06, 2015, 01:06:42 PM
Looks like a dude PD would meet in a rest stop bathroom :hitler

Since when do I fuck with white men?
:gurl

You know you're an accountant, right?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 06, 2015, 01:23:56 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/vxqNSX7.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: benjipwns on April 08, 2015, 08:31:41 PM
That Rondo article: http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12587848/old-questions-surface-dallas-mavericks-point-guard-rajon-rondo
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Still, as much as Rondo wanted to win, he loathed defeat even more, a competitiveness that found an outlet in all things -- great and small -- but most famously in the game Connect Four. Rondo would play on their porch, decimating friends and family deep into the night while his mother worked the graveyard shift at the Philip Morris factory to support her four kids. "If you did win once, he would beat you five or six more times to let you know he was the best," says Dymon, his younger sister. (Rondo's Connect Four prowess has since become legendary and has made for heartwarming-yet-awkward community outreach moments. The day he was traded to Dallas in December, he spent his final hours as a Celtic at Boston Children's Hospital, crushing all comers in the game, repeatedly telling kids, "No mercy.")

Rondo is adept at poker -- computing probabilities, counting cards -- emptying teammates' pockets. He's a whiz at bourré, the famously contentious card game that's fractured many an NBA locker room. Bryan Doo, the Celtics' strength and conditioning coach, calls Rondo the best spades player he's ever played. "And I've played a lot," Doo says.

Rondo maintains a close circle, but during his eight-plus seasons in Boston, he was as close with Doo as anyone. Doo always sought activities to keep Rondo engaged -- golf, tennis, a home run derby with softballs, pool, pingpong, throwing footballs off the wall into a trash can, unorthodox workouts, printing out math equations and racing to solve them first, trying to top each other in Lumosity brain games, designed to improve cognitive abilities. "If you can't keep up with him up here," Doo says, pointing to his head, "he won't listen to you."

Provide him with bad information? "Your credibility is shot," Rondo says. And if he doesn't buy the narrative, even off the floor, he'll bail, he'll disengage, as he does on movies whose storylines stray from logic, even for a moment. His last theater walkout: The Equalizer, starring Denzel Washington. "I didn't understand how he got the cop's number," Rondo says, referencing a certain scene. "It was just too much." He recently watched the movie again to see if he could stomach it. He couldn't.

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"He's my friend," says ex-teammate Kendrick Perkins, "but he knows he's too smart. And that's his problem. He knows when he's wrong. It's just getting him to admit it. The problem is, nine times out of 10 he'll be right about what he's saying."

Says a Celtics insider, less charitably, "He always thinks he's the smartest person in the room, even if he isn't."

At shootarounds and practices in Boston, Rivers says, Rondo would become "very irritated" when they had to go over plays again and again, even for veterans. For Rondo, learning plays came as naturally as math. Teammates and coaches would universally claim that Rondo has some sort of photographic memory -- he doesn't deny it -- and former Celtics assistant Tom Thibodeau, now head coach of the Bulls, says that by the time they'd watch game film the morning after, Rondo had already reviewed the footage two or three times. ("He doesn't sleep," Doo says.) The Celtics considered him a pseudo-advance scout, listening and looking for cues from the opponent, then calling out exactly what they were about to do.

Before Rondo's first playoff series against Atlanta in 2008, the Celtics distributed a 100-page book full of the Hawks' plays and statistics. Rondo took it home, then challenged assistant Darren Erman the next morning: "Quiz me on anything." Rondo nailed every question, until Erman tossed a curveball -- a question about something that wasn't in the book. "Fuck you," Rondo said. "That's not in there." Once, when Erman was with the Warriors, his team ran a side out-of-bounds play, called C, that he says they'd run maybe 15 times all season. They called the play. Rondo immediately shouted, "C! Rip screen, rip screen!" Erman and then-Warriors assistant Brian Scalabrine looked at each other, stunned: How in the hell did he know that?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: benjipwns on April 08, 2015, 08:31:49 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12646249/national-basketball-players-association-launches-annual-award-program-voted-players
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The National Basketball Players Association has launched its own annual awards that will be voted on by players.

The program, which will feature anonymous voting by the players, was announced in a memo from union executive director Michele Roberts this week.

"Guys are going to be able to recognize the guys they play against every night and what they do for their franchises," LeBron James, who recently was elected as vice president of the union, said Wednesday.

The players-only awards, which will include a Most Valuable Player honor, will be announced to union members at the annual meeting in Las Vegas in July. USA Today first reported the awards after obtaining Roberts' memo.

...

Roberts implemented the new awards following several star players publicly calling for NBA players to have a say in high-profile awards.

"The players know each other inside and out," reigning MVP Kevin Durant said over All-Star Weekend. "The media isn't in the film room and goes for sexy names."

Stephen Curry, who is the favorite to win this year's MVP, later campaigned for players to have a portion of the vote in a national radio interview.

"This program was created at your request to recognize outstanding performance of your peers, on and off the court," Roberts wrote in the memo. "No one knows better than you what it takes to shine."

James, who has won four MVP Awards voted on by the media, said how the official voting is handled in the future should be discussed.

"It's a conversation we can have at a later date," James said. "The media has done a great job every single year picking the awards. But us players get to see the guys every single day, so it's a longer conversation."

James said that players can't vote for themselves for awards. But who would his vote be for MVP this year?

"Myself," James said.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 10, 2015, 11:52:19 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRrQ0NAcAnc


https://twitter.com/CavsMoondog/status/559759925694693377

(http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/slides/photos/003/945/833/hi-res-433b0f94587d2cc7b700afb669e7f8d4_crop_north.jpg?w=630&h=420&q=75)


This guy cracks me up man.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 10, 2015, 12:57:41 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on April 08, 2015, 08:31:49 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12646249/national-basketball-players-association-launches-annual-award-program-voted-players
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The National Basketball Players Association has launched its own annual awards that will be voted on by players.

The program, which will feature anonymous voting by the players, was announced in a memo from union executive director Michele Roberts this week.

"Guys are going to be able to recognize the guys they play against every night and what they do for their franchises," LeBron James, who recently was elected as vice president of the union, said Wednesday.

The players-only awards, which will include a Most Valuable Player honor, will be announced to union members at the annual meeting in Las Vegas in July. USA Today first reported the awards after obtaining Roberts' memo.

...

Roberts implemented the new awards following several star players publicly calling for NBA players to have a say in high-profile awards.

"The players know each other inside and out," reigning MVP Kevin Durant said over All-Star Weekend. "The media isn't in the film room and goes for sexy names."

Stephen Curry, who is the favorite to win this year's MVP, later campaigned for players to have a portion of the vote in a national radio interview.

"This program was created at your request to recognize outstanding performance of your peers, on and off the court," Roberts wrote in the memo. "No one knows better than you what it takes to shine."

James, who has won four MVP Awards voted on by the media, said how the official voting is handled in the future should be discussed.

"It's a conversation we can have at a later date," James said. "The media has done a great job every single year picking the awards. But us players get to see the guys every single day, so it's a longer conversation."

James said that players can't vote for themselves for awards. But who would his vote be for MVP this year?

"Myself," James said.

I actually think this is a good idea. A set of awards by the media. Another set of awards by the players.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 10, 2015, 12:58:36 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 10, 2015, 12:57:41 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on April 08, 2015, 08:31:49 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12646249/national-basketball-players-association-launches-annual-award-program-voted-players
Quote
The National Basketball Players Association has launched its own annual awards that will be voted on by players.

The program, which will feature anonymous voting by the players, was announced in a memo from union executive director Michele Roberts this week.

"Guys are going to be able to recognize the guys they play against every night and what they do for their franchises," LeBron James, who recently was elected as vice president of the union, said Wednesday.

The players-only awards, which will include a Most Valuable Player honor, will be announced to union members at the annual meeting in Las Vegas in July. USA Today first reported the awards after obtaining Roberts' memo.

...

Roberts implemented the new awards following several star players publicly calling for NBA players to have a say in high-profile awards.

"The players know each other inside and out," reigning MVP Kevin Durant said over All-Star Weekend. "The media isn't in the film room and goes for sexy names."

Stephen Curry, who is the favorite to win this year's MVP, later campaigned for players to have a portion of the vote in a national radio interview.

"This program was created at your request to recognize outstanding performance of your peers, on and off the court," Roberts wrote in the memo. "No one knows better than you what it takes to shine."

James, who has won four MVP Awards voted on by the media, said how the official voting is handled in the future should be discussed.

"It's a conversation we can have at a later date," James said. "The media has done a great job every single year picking the awards. But us players get to see the guys every single day, so it's a longer conversation."

James said that players can't vote for themselves for awards. But who would his vote be for MVP this year?

"Myself," James said.

I actually think this is a good idea. A set of awards by the media. Another set of awards by the players.

Harden's gonna finish like 4th then, not very well liked in the league.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: benjipwns on April 10, 2015, 01:57:33 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12662009/nbpa-probing-police-tactics-thabo-sefolosha-arrest-broken-fibula
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ATLANTA -- The events surrounding the arrest and ensuing season-ending injury of Atlanta Hawks forward Thabo Sefolosha in New York on Wednesday have come under increasing scrutiny by the National Basketball Players Association and the Hawks during the past 24 hours, league sources say.

Sefolosha was injured in the early-morning hours Wednesday outside a Manhattan night club, where a police report states he was resisting arrest. Sefolosha and Hawks teammate Pero Antic were arrested on suspicion of interfering with the efforts of local police to set up a crime scene after the stabbing of Indiana Pacers forward Chris Copeland.

...

The police are facing new questions about their tactics during the incident, as Sefolosha suffered a season-ending broken fibula, which went untreated overnight and into Wednesday as Sefolosha languished in custody.

On Thursday evening, TMZ published a video that it says shows five officers surrounding Sefolosha at the scene and trying to take hold of him. TMZ says the video shows one officer grabbing Sefolosha by the back of the neck before bringing him down to the ground.

Sefolosha has hired noted criminal defense attorney Alex Spiro, who told TMZ the video "speaks for itself."

Antic also expressed support for Sefolosha.

"There's a video out that speaks for itself," Antic said Friday. "The only thing I can say is that we feel bad for the bad publicity that we brought to the Hawks organization and the Hawks family."
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Privately, sources say, Hawks officials also have begun to raise questions about the specific circumstances that led to Sefolosha being held by police for several hours with a broken fibula.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Beezy on April 10, 2015, 02:19:10 PM
The NYPD is shit. Kinda wish this happened to a more popular player than Sefolosha so that it would be getting much more attention than it is right now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 10, 2015, 02:56:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VuG1K-LFgY
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: benjipwns on April 10, 2015, 08:43:22 PM
http://www.si.com/nba/2015/04/10/matt-barnes-los-angeles-clippers-kobe-bryant-lakers-chris-paul
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One early lesson came from Iverson, his teammate for half a season in Philadelphia. “Allen was the first guy that showed me how NBA players spend money in strip clubs,” Barnes says. “That guy went. HARD. He’d throw so much money, and this was when I was first in the league, that I used to take my foot and scoop the s--- under my chair and either re-throw it or put some in my pocket. He’d throw $30,000, $40,000 every time we went. I’m like, ‘You realize what I can do with this money?’”

Philly is also where Barnes learned that it’s a star’s league. At the time, he was the 12th man, clinging to a job. As Barnes tells it, he was working with shooting coach Buzz Braman after practice, hoping to smooth out a hitch in his shot, when Sixers head coach Mo Cheeks walked by. “I don’t see why you’re working on your shot,” Cheeks said. “You’re not going to get to shoot here.” Barnes fumed, but said nothing.

A week later, in practice, things came to a head. “I came down on a 3-on-1 and hit pull-up 15-footer off the glass and [Cheeks] stopped practice,” says Barnes. “He yells, ‘What are you doing? What are you shooting the ball for? You know that’s not your job, you gotta pass the ball!’”

Barnes was shocked “What? But I made the shot.”

Said Cheeks: “That’s why you don’t play.’”

And then, Barnes says, he lost it. “I was going to chase him down and whoop his ass, so I took off after him and AI grabbed me and I got through him and Chris [Webber] grabbed me and bearhugged me and I said to Mo, ‘You’re lucky.’”

Says Barnes now: “I hated Mo Cheeks. He was a dick.”
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Your Stalker on April 10, 2015, 10:42:40 PM
Duncan wins the game with a clutch block/foul  :miyamoto
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 10, 2015, 11:26:28 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on April 10, 2015, 02:56:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VuG1K-LFgY

came in here to post this :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Beezy on April 11, 2015, 12:44:00 AM
http://www.tmz.com/2015/04/10/thabo-sefolosha-arrest-video-nypd-officer-swing-baton/
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Atlanta Hawks star Thabo Sefolosha appeared to suffer a severe blow from an NYPD officer's nightstick during his arrest Wednesday night ... based on this new video of the violent take down.
TMZ Sports just obtained this new angle of Sefolosha's arrest, shot by a witness outside 1Oak Nightclub in NYC ... moments after Pacers Chris Copeland was stabbed.
In this video you can clearly see Sefolosha being tugged in different directions by 6 officers. Additionally ... you can see one of the officers take a big swing with his baton, and it sounds like he makes contact with something.
A witness says Thabo told police, "Calm down."
As we've reported ... Sefolosha broke his fibula during the scuffle with cops, and based on this video it's possible it could've been caused by the officer's baton.
In their report, police said Thabo was aggressively charging at one of the officers before they got physical with him. That's not evident from either video we've obtained ... since they start after the scuffle began.
Thabo is out for the remainder of the season ... due to the injury. He was arrested for obstruction, but plans to fight the charges.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 11, 2015, 12:57:23 AM
Massive San Antonio win. They jump all the way to the 2nd seed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Your Stalker on April 11, 2015, 03:10:50 AM
3rd actually since the Grizz won
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: HiResDes on April 12, 2015, 02:04:08 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on April 10, 2015, 08:43:22 PM
http://www.si.com/nba/2015/04/10/matt-barnes-los-angeles-clippers-kobe-bryant-lakers-chris-paul
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One early lesson came from Iverson, his teammate for half a season in Philadelphia. “Allen was the first guy that showed me how NBA players spend money in strip clubs,” Barnes says. “That guy went. HARD. He’d throw so much money, and this was when I was first in the league, that I used to take my foot and scoop the s--- under my chair and either re-throw it or put some in my pocket. He’d throw $30,000, $40,000 every time we went. I’m like, ‘You realize what I can do with this money?’”

Philly is also where Barnes learned that it’s a star’s league. At the time, he was the 12th man, clinging to a job. As Barnes tells it, he was working with shooting coach Buzz Braman after practice, hoping to smooth out a hitch in his shot, when Sixers head coach Mo Cheeks walked by. “I don’t see why you’re working on your shot,” Cheeks said. “You’re not going to get to shoot here.” Barnes fumed, but said nothing.

A week later, in practice, things came to a head. “I came down on a 3-on-1 and hit pull-up 15-footer off the glass and [Cheeks] stopped practice,” says Barnes. “He yells, ‘What are you doing? What are you shooting the ball for? You know that’s not your job, you gotta pass the ball!’”

Barnes was shocked “What? But I made the shot.”

Said Cheeks: “That’s why you don’t play.’”

And then, Barnes says, he lost it. “I was going to chase him down and whoop his ass, so I took off after him and AI grabbed me and I got through him and Chris [Webber] grabbed me and bearhugged me and I said to Mo, ‘You’re lucky.’”

Says Barnes now: “I hated Mo Cheeks. He was a dick.”

But is Mo wrong though? You got a on 3 on 1 and you decide to pull up from 15 feet and the back of your jersey reads Barnes...GTFO
(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/camby.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 12, 2015, 04:14:36 PM
Cavs are resting anybody important from here on out but even in that context its funny to see that Brendan Haywood still can't get off the bench and Perkins is still useless even when playing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: T-Short on April 12, 2015, 04:41:16 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 12, 2015, 04:14:36 PM
Cavs are resting anybody important from here on out but even in that context its funny to see that Brendan Haywood still can't get off the bench and Perkins is still useless even when playing.

Perkins is a laugh riot!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 12, 2015, 08:27:34 PM
Yeah he is even more worthless than I imagined.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 12, 2015, 11:44:20 PM
Spurs are looking great, wow. I kind of just assumed they couldn't make it back to the finals but man, can anyone beat them in a 7 game series out west?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Beezy on April 13, 2015, 12:33:27 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 12, 2015, 11:44:20 PM
Spurs are looking great, wow. I kind of just assumed they couldn't make it back to the finals but man, can anyone beat them in a 7 game series out west?
:lol

As long as they're all healthy and Pop is coaching, they'll always have a shot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: benjipwns on April 13, 2015, 01:22:04 AM
wtf are the Pistons doing

Tayshaun Prince and Joel Anthony need to be playing 40 minutes a game here Stan! This team easily could have just won five straight late in the season and moved into the playoff race. That's just irresponsible.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 14, 2015, 11:44:03 AM
Pretty impressive season for the Celts considering nothing was expected of them.

Also just a reminder.

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The Cleveland Cavaliers were part of a historic night for 3-pointers on Monday as they joined the Atlanta Hawks and Portland Trail Blazers in becoming three of just 13 teams in league history with 800 or more made 3-pointers in a single season.

Cleveland shot the lights out in its 109-97 win over the Detroit Pistons, going 17-for-32 from downtown, marking the fourth time in the Cavs' past seven home games that they hit 15 triples or more.

Six of the 13 teams in league history to hit the 800-make milestone did so this season, as the Houston Rockets, Golden State Warriors and Los Angeles Clippers did so earlier in the 2014-15 campaign.


Quote from: Genius Coach Byron Scott
Our game plan is really to get to that basket,” said Scott after practice Tuesday. “I like the fact that we only shot 10 threes. If we shoot between 10 and 15, I think that’s a good mixture of getting to that basket and shooting threes.

“I don’t want us to be coming down, forcing up a bunch of threes. I really want us to attack the basket.”

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I asked Lakers coach Byron Scott about his philosophy on 3-pointers. "I don't believe it wins championships. (It) gets you to the playoffs."

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Also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIhGT96DyO0
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 14, 2015, 01:14:59 PM
Stan Van's Orlando team is kind of the template for the modern (successful) NBA team now isn't it? A competent big man surrounded by 4 (preferably long) people capable of draining 3's.


Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 14, 2015, 01:32:41 PM
I think you need a generational talent down low for that roster to work. It worked in Houston with Olajuwon, it worked briefly in Orlando with Shaq, and it worked for a year in a shitty Eastern conference with Dwight and a roided Rashard Lewis. Outside of AD (and maybe Jah) I don't think we see a big with as much offensive firepower who's able to make that a viable roster composition in today's NBA.

Now, three point shooting and rim protection generally speaking are very much hot commodities, due in no small part to an increased emphasis on analytics in FOs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 14, 2015, 04:57:46 PM
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nba-awards-ballot-part-1-in-praise-of-the-individual/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 14, 2015, 05:12:28 PM
I love Lowe to death but I question some of his rankings

Paul over Lebron?
Bogut over Duncan?
IT not getting 6MOTY?
Pop as COTY?

I don't know, its just strange
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 14, 2015, 05:18:53 PM
I'll only comment on the Chris Paul one.

Paul has played in all 82 games.

He's had a pretty terrific season stat wise.

FG 49% 
19ppg
10.3 assist versus 2.3 turnovers per game.
39% from three point range.

And he kept them afloat when blake was gone.

PER to PER there is no difference between the two. 26.04 to 26.00 this season.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: benjipwns on April 14, 2015, 07:23:28 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on April 14, 2015, 01:32:41 PM
I think you need a generational talent down low for that roster to work.
You don't need a generational talent there, just at another position. Like LeBron, while Mozgov is the competent big who can get near a double double, anchors the D, etc.

Howard's role on the Magic was basically a supersized version of this, it's not like he had any great post moves. He was just the best defensive anchor and his offense was more competent than put backs and slams off pick and rolls.

The amusing thing to me about all the LEBRON IS AT PF WITH BATTIER hype stuff was that the Magic had basically done that same thing with Rashard Lewis and Hedo Turkoglu. And I've thought that Van Gundy kinda kicked the whole revival of the idea off by playing Odom at PF.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 14, 2015, 10:32:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxw2FZBd7aY
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 14, 2015, 10:46:40 PM
It's hard to watch this Washington-Indiana game. Ugly play.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 14, 2015, 11:24:50 PM
Hopefully the nets lose and the pacers win tomorrow. The problem is the nets are playing the magic I think. And I believe the pacers are playing somebody competent.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Nets/Pacers/Thunder/Pelicans)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2015, 11:44:53 PM
Heat eliminated
(http://i60.tinypic.com/2s7hq11.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Countdown the the Playoffs)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 15, 2015, 12:20:30 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on April 14, 2015, 07:23:28 PM
You don't need a generational talent there, just at another position. Like LeBron, while Mozgov is the competent big who can get near a double double, anchors the D, etc.

Howard's role on the Magic was basically a supersized version of this, it's not like he had any great post moves. He was just the best defensive anchor and his offense was more competent than put backs and slams off pick and rolls.

The amusing thing to me about all the LEBRON IS AT PF WITH BATTIER hype stuff was that the Magic had basically done that same thing with Rashard Lewis and Hedo Turkoglu. And I've thought that Van Gundy kinda kicked the whole revival of the idea off by playing Odom at PF.
ehh, I mean, you're right. I think you're more right than I am. I just hesitate to call Orlando the "template" because Dwight is definitely the exception to the rule here. He is a glorified garbageman but that team leaned on him way more offensively than say, Mozgov in Cleveland, Chandler in Dallas, DeAndre in LA, Lopez in Portland or Bogut in Golden State. The generational talent comment was about specifically trying to build a knock-off Olajuwon Rockets team, which I'm arguing is only viable if you have a legit great offensive big. I think Unibrow and (maybe) Jah are the only one's that fall into that category (in AD's case, he could easily operate as a stretch 4 on offense as well so even that's not the best example).

fake edit: now that I think about it, throw Boogie in there as well
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Nets/Pacers/Thunder/Pelicans)
Post by: benjipwns on April 15, 2015, 12:43:10 AM
I think if there's a template, it's like the Spurs and the draft (and now their passing game) in that it's spread throughout the league now, especially by underlings.

I mean the Heat got how many articles written about their "positionless" basketball. And the Warriors are getting somewhat the same treatment for their "lots-of-similar-sized-guys" flexible rotation. Somewhere Don Nelson is crying.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Nets/Pacers/Thunder/Pelicans)
Post by: benjipwns on April 15, 2015, 01:08:05 AM
Actually, that's the way I tell if people actually read Moneyball or not when they talk about it. The book massively emphasizes how it's about finding untapped markets or strategies and re-evaluating conventional wisdom to gain advantages without needing financial advantage. Even a whole section about how certain situations encourage bunting iirc, which isn't player acquisition. But all most people talk about is statistical evaluation of players as being "Moneyball" strategy.

The Spurs have basically been the "moneyball" franchise of the NBA for the last twenty years. Taking and stashing Euros, managing the cap, picking through players to maximize one or two things from them, get flexible in terms of what pace you can play your game at, cut your starters minutes during the season, play the team into a rotation over the course of the season from all the players you have, they were the first team to try and change peoples jumpers too. Even though it just happened everyone kinda seems to forget the wind got taken out of the Heat's "POSITIONLESS REVOLUTION" sails because the Spurs could just play Boris Diaw at power forward without overhauling their rotation.

One of my favorites though was Don Nelson suddenly inserting Walt Williams as his center against, I think the Kings, and the entire team borderline froze like wtf do we do. He's a three point shooting small forward...but...yet...he's at center? Guarding our center? I don't...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Nets/Pacers/Thunder/Pelicans)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 15, 2015, 01:46:25 AM
Words!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Nets/Pacers/Thunder/Pelicans)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 15, 2015, 02:06:05 AM
The Spurs "system" reminds of when the 49ers and the West Coast offense stuff began. And the way it filtered through out the league with all the Bill Walsh disciples and assistant coaches.

Even down to the dinosaur coaches and franchises who refused to incorporate it and were left behind. (Think Al-Davis/Lakers)

It's just a more realistic way to play basketball for the large majority of franchises who don't have a transcendent superstar.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Nets/Pacers/Thunder/Pelicans)
Post by: benjipwns on April 15, 2015, 02:06:55 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 15, 2015, 01:46:25 AM
Words!
I think you meant:
(http://i.imgur.com/Vn3mP1a.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Nets/Pacers/Thunder/Pelicans)
Post by: eleuin on April 15, 2015, 02:40:07 AM
Man Raps have been a depressing team to watch this season, looking like a one and done come playoffs  :'(
Depth is lacking and some starters have been so underwhelming (ross and val)

I could see Pacers making a deep run now that George is back
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Nets/Pacers/Thunder/Pelicans)
Post by: benjipwns on April 15, 2015, 05:51:55 AM
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According to Nets sources last June, Pierce initially wanted $20m over 2 years to remain in "horrible" situation. NO doubt most of what Pierce has said is accurate but he did want to stay and wanted a lot of money.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12690080/washington-wizards-paul-pierce-speaks-truth
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"I'm much happier,'' he said. "It was a tough situation (in Brooklyn) last year. Horrible, really.

"It was just the guys' attitudes there. It wasn't like we were surrounded by a bunch of young guys. They were vets who didn't want to play and didn't want to practice. I was looking around saying, 'What's this?' Kevin (Garnett) and I had to pick them up every day in practice.

"If me and Kevin weren't there, that team would have folded up. That team would have packed it in. We kept them going each and every day.''

The player that puzzled him the most, said Pierce, was point guard Deron Williams.

"Before I got there, I looked at Deron as an MVP candidate,'' Pierce said. "But I felt once we got there, that's not what he wanted to be. He just didn't want that.

"I think a lot of the pressure got to him sometimes. This was his first time in the national spotlight. The media in Utah is not the same as the media in New York, so that can wear on some people. I think it really affected him.''

Pierce said veteran Joe Johnson was an affable professional but also a reluctant leader.

"Joe is quiet,'' Pierce noted. "He doesn't want much attention. He doesn't say much.

"There's a lot of secondary guys on that team. KG and I went there looking at them as the main guys who would push us, because we were advancing in years. But we ended up doing all the pushing.''
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"I would have stayed in Brooklyn because of Kevin,'' Pierce said. "I told him, 'I don't really like this situation but I would never leave you if you want me to stay.' But they decided not to re-sign me so I never had to make a choice. I would never have left Kevin like that.''

Garnett was traded in February to Minnesota, where he will eventually assume a front-office role as a part-owner.

"He's happy,'' Pierce said. "I'm glad he waived his no-trade clause. I told him, 'They don't appreciate you in Brooklyn, man.' They didn't even use him right.

"He's where he's supposed to be. He IS Minnesota. He never sold his house there.''
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"I talk to them a lot about mental preparation and consistency,'' Pierce said. "I keep telling Wall and Beal, 'You've got to make up your mind. Do you want to be good, or do you want to be great? Because if you want to be great, you gotta do it every single night, not just when you feel like it.'

"Both of those guys have the potential to be great. I love them. But sometimes I'm not sure they realize what it takes.

"That was (Rajon) Rondo's problem, too. Some days he did, some days he didn't. I think it's more this generation. A lot of these players have been catered to since the sixth grade. The NBA is changing so much. It's not like when I came up, with that old-school mentality that practice really mattered. You've got these 24, 25 year old guys who sit out of practice now to rest. It's hard for me to understand, but I'm trying.''

Pierce was sidelined for three games with an injured toe, but the true cause, he said, was to rest a sprained right knee he has been slogging through for a month. In his previous six games before he finally took a seat, Pierce was shooting just 25.6 percent from the field and averaging single digits.

The Wizards plugged in former No. 3 pick Otto Porter Jr. in Pierce's place and he responded by averaging 13.6 points and nearly seven rebounds a game over past four outings.

"Otto is another one who just doesn't understand how good he is,'' Pierce said. "He can shoot, he's a slasher, he can defend, I'm just not sure how badly he wants it every day.

"That kid just needs to get mad. If he came to practice ticked off and to the games ticked off, he'd be fine. But it's hard to get Otto mad. I should punch him one day just to get him riled up.''
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Nets/Pacers/Thunder/Pelicans)
Post by: benjipwns on April 15, 2015, 11:01:42 PM
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If the Pacers -- down by 13 at halftime -- lose to the Grizzlies, it would mean three of last year's four conference finalists would miss the postseason: Indiana, Miami and Oklahoma City.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Nets/Pacers/Thunder/Pelicans)
Post by: Your Stalker on April 15, 2015, 11:48:01 PM
Back to the 6 seed for the Spurs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Nets/Pacers/Thunder/Pelicans)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 15, 2015, 11:56:22 PM
Quote
Already facing a deficit in their season finale, Indiana has lost Paul George, who was carried off the floor with an injury.

 :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs Start Saturday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 16, 2015, 01:14:19 AM
Quote
Chris HaynesVerified account
‏@ChrisBHaynes
LeBron James was asked who he would vote on for MVP and he said Kevin Love, with a smile.

 :mynicca
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs Start Saturday)
Post by: benjipwns on April 16, 2015, 03:33:25 AM
https://vine.co/v/ezW9d92ZX2q

Sixers players were allowed to coach for the last game of the season.  :lol

Quote
Brown let several of the bench players draw up plays in the huddle. Guard Jason Richardson joked the Sixers scored on all of his plays.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs Start Saturday)
Post by: benjipwns on April 16, 2015, 03:36:58 AM
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Among the names already linked to the Nuggets' job include Golden State Warriors associate head coach Alvin Gentry and sideline veterans Vinny Del Negro and Mike D'Antoni, who got his first NBA head-coaching opporuntity from Denver in 1999.
:bow sideline veteran Vinny Del Negro  :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs Start Saturday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 16, 2015, 04:12:45 AM
The Heat had 4 players play 48 minutes tonight.

The fifth played 41 minutes.

Udonis Haslem played 7 minutes as the 6th player.

 

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs Start Saturday)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 16, 2015, 11:48:28 AM
Pelicans!!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs Start Saturday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 16, 2015, 04:45:30 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVx1RDYJf5o
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs Start Saturday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 16, 2015, 07:17:16 PM
Super excited for the Clippers/Spurs series. That should be awesome.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs Start Saturday)
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 16, 2015, 07:25:40 PM
Go 'Zers!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs Start Saturday)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 16, 2015, 07:53:33 PM
Cavs in 4

Spurs in 6

Imo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs Start Saturday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 17, 2015, 12:23:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzBtilScBsA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmRmwTzqGGc
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs Start Saturday)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 17, 2015, 12:34:32 PM
Hawks in 4
Cavs in 5
Bulls in 4
Raptors in 6

Hawks in 6
Cavs in 6

Cavs in 7

Warriors in 5
Rockets in 7
Spurs in 7
Grizz in 6

Warriors in 7
Rockets in 6

Warriors in 5

Warriors in 6

Warriors be champs

I base this all on nothing
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs Start Saturday)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 17, 2015, 12:35:15 PM
The Cavs don't have the killer instinct or veteran leadership required to sweep a team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs Start Saturday)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 17, 2015, 12:39:33 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 17, 2015, 12:35:15 PM
The Cavs don't have the killer instinct or veteran leadership required to sweep a team.

:skip
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs Start Saturday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 17, 2015, 12:50:08 PM
First year in a awhile where I won't make any predictions and just kind of enjoy the ride.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs Start Saturday)
Post by: Brehvolution on April 17, 2015, 12:53:18 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 17, 2015, 12:50:08 PM
First year in a awhile where I won't make any predictions and just kind of enjoy the ride.

Me too. I'm glad the 'The heat will win it all or it's a huge upset' narrative is long gone.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs Start Saturday)
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 17, 2015, 03:17:24 PM
I'm just rooting for an upset that no one sees coming in the first round. Like the Bucks over the Bulls.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs Start Saturday)
Post by: benjipwns on April 17, 2015, 09:08:24 PM
From the other day:
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enveloping @enveloping  ·  Apr 14
kyrie irving left last night's game with "hip tightness." future excuses: dope swagness, rad coolness
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs Start Saturday)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2015, 10:18:05 PM
Heather Cox
:noah

she looks sort of like Darla Crane :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs Start Saturday)
Post by: T234 on April 19, 2015, 03:59:02 AM
Phoenix Dark, Man of Taste in Cougars AND Kings of Westeros! :clap :clap
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs Start Saturday)
Post by: El Babua on April 19, 2015, 10:01:44 AM
Glad Rose had a good game.

Guess I'll choose who to root for on a series-by-series basis.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs Start Saturday)
Post by: team filler on April 19, 2015, 02:06:27 PM
http://www.clickhole.com/blogpost/we-need-stop-teaching-our-kids-its-okay-think-chri-2264

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if we don’t talk to our children about Chris Webber, they’re going to hear about him at school...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs Start Saturday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 19, 2015, 03:21:09 PM
Let's blog it. Cavs Celtics.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs Start Saturday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 19, 2015, 03:23:50 PM
Celtics motion offense clicking early.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs Start Saturday)
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 19, 2015, 03:30:01 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2015, 10:18:05 PM
Heather Cox
:noah

she looks sort of like Darla Crane :lawd

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/Heather_Cox_NBC_Reporter.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs Start Saturday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 19, 2015, 03:33:44 PM
Good Celtics offense. Weak Cavs D at the end of the first quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs Start Saturday)
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 19, 2015, 03:34:08 PM
Gooooo Zerrrrrssss
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs Start Saturday)
Post by: T-Short on April 19, 2015, 03:47:02 PM
Celtics certainly bringing a lot of effort so far
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs Start Saturday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 19, 2015, 03:53:11 PM
Cavs bearing down a little. Their offense is good.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs Start Saturday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 19, 2015, 03:57:19 PM
Kyrie going off.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs Start Saturday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 19, 2015, 04:02:11 PM
Both teams offenses really clicking.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs Start Saturday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 19, 2015, 04:06:00 PM
Poor shooting and Bad D for Love. Fitting.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs Start Saturday)
Post by: T-Short on April 19, 2015, 04:07:54 PM
lol Shump
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs Start Saturday)
Post by: T-Short on April 19, 2015, 04:08:24 PM
Kyrie tho
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs Start Saturday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 19, 2015, 04:08:42 PM
Isiah Thomas is a terror on the offensive end. And Kyrie can just be amazing when he is on like this.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs Start Saturday)
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 19, 2015, 04:30:46 PM
Love's back just isn't right. You can tell by the way he moves.

I feel bad for him because he's in line for the contract of his life and he's choking.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs Start Saturday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 19, 2015, 05:44:30 PM
My brother came over and we watched the rest together so I couldn't post any more after halftime. Pretty much what was expected. The Celtics might steal 1 in boston if Cleveland plays that kind of early defense but otherwise not much of a series. They are real frisky on offense though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs Start Saturday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 19, 2015, 05:51:17 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on April 19, 2015, 04:30:46 PM
Love's back just isn't right. You can tell by the way he moves.

I feel bad for him because he's in line for the contract of his life and he's choking.

He'll get a massive contract either way because of the huge cap increase coming.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 19, 2015, 06:09:38 PM
This why I wanted the Pacers in instead of the Nets.


Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: benjipwns on April 19, 2015, 11:04:18 PM
Quote
Earlier this season, now-former Nuggets Coach Brian Shaw said that he tried motivating his lackadaisical roster that seemed to quit on him repeatedly by rapping a pre-game scouting instruction. On Saturday, Nuggets guard Ty Lawson posted a snippet of the rap on his Instagram.
https://instagram.com/p/1ojK_zP7kn/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2015, 01:11:10 AM
Clippers looking good tonight against the spurs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 20, 2015, 01:55:51 AM
Nooooo Zers :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2015, 02:49:09 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idnICrEhNsI
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2015, 02:14:35 PM
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Pat Riley on the draft: "No more smiling faces with hidden agendas, so we'll be going in clean."

 :umad
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Your Stalker on April 20, 2015, 05:17:58 PM
http://streamable.com/vy4u

 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 20, 2015, 05:33:35 PM
Watching Blake that whole clip is pretty funny. "Gimme that damn ball!"

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2015, 07:38:50 PM
I love the Spurs but I'm actively rooting for the Clippers. I think it would be fun to see Blake and CP3 get deeper into the playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 21, 2015, 09:19:04 AM
Pelicans have been fun to watch.  They're not a push over for these Warriors, which I like.  Great experience for AD.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 21, 2015, 09:43:47 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 21, 2015, 09:19:04 AM
Pelicans have been fun to watch.  They're not a push over for these Warriors, which I like.  Great experience for AD.

Indeed. They are a couple of pieces away from contending. They could really use an athletic 3 and a dominant rebounding center.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Beezy on April 21, 2015, 09:49:59 AM
Agreed. I thought these games would be complete blowouts, but Pelicans have managed to keep it close at least until the 4th quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 21, 2015, 09:52:38 AM
Bulls/Cavs is going to be a fucking bloodbath. Was hoping to avoid that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: benjipwns on April 21, 2015, 08:03:49 PM
https://twitter.com/JMcDonald_SAEN/status/590621440011034625
Quote
Jeff McDonald @JMcDonald_SAEN  ·  3h 3 hours ago
Asked Pop about Mike Budenholzer winning COY? Pop: "Who?"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 21, 2015, 08:13:11 PM
Another close first half between celts and cavs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 21, 2015, 09:06:51 PM
Celtics have an amazing coach.  I like what they've been doing
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 21, 2015, 09:06:53 PM
They way Cleveland struggles to cover isiah thomas and Boston at times is a bit disconcerting when you think of an offensive team like the Warriors.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 21, 2015, 09:31:45 PM
Daps to Lebron. He took over in the 4th.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 21, 2015, 09:59:57 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 21, 2015, 09:06:53 PM
They way Cleveland struggles to cover isiah thomas and Boston at times is a bit disconcerting when you think of an offensive team like the Warriors.

Forget the Warriors, think about a healthy D Rose.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 22, 2015, 12:10:46 AM
Nowitzke looks really old this game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Brehvolution on April 22, 2015, 09:40:07 AM
Does Harden ever miss a shot? (http://i.imgur.com/5A2X9ra.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: benjipwns on April 22, 2015, 09:56:38 AM
https://twitter.com/HoustonRockets/status/590748468404047872
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: benjipwns on April 22, 2015, 01:47:26 PM
Quote
Oklahoma City has fired coach Scott Brooks, league source tells Yahoo Sports. Twitter @WojYahooNBA
Thibs time?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 22, 2015, 03:35:46 PM
Lot of talk about the Ucon coach also.

edit: although I guess he is publicly saying no at the moment.

http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-huskies/hc-kevin-ollie-uconn-statement-0423-20150422-story.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 22, 2015, 04:31:00 PM
lol Kevin Ollie is trash
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 22, 2015, 04:56:38 PM
Ollie should leave. I can't see him replicating that shocking championship run again. Granted Conn always gets good players eventually but still...

And didn't Ollie just get divorced? Might as well take the bigger paycheck bro.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 22, 2015, 08:16:27 PM
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The Dallas Mavericks are ruling out Rajon Rondo indefinitely, citing a back injury Rondo sustained Tuesday night at Houston, the team said Wednesday.

When asked Wednesday if he expects Rondo, who is a free agent this summer, to be in a Mavericks uniform next season, coach Rick Carlisle replied: "No, I don't."

 :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 22, 2015, 11:37:06 PM
Two notes.

Blake is destroying the Spurs.

Reggie Miller has ratcheted up how annoying he is which is quite impressive when you think about it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 22, 2015, 11:42:33 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 22, 2015, 11:37:06 PM
Two notes.

Blake is destroying the Spurs.

Reggie Miller has ratcheted up how annoying he is which is quite impressive when you think about it.

Turned on the game, heard Reggie talking about how Spiller should take 30 seconds at the FT line to catch his breath, and explaining all the ways he could get away with it.

:snoop

The ultimate cornball.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 23, 2015, 01:01:58 AM
Spurs playing smart defense, daring the clippers to hit shots from the outside and then employing hack a jordan.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 23, 2015, 01:07:49 AM
Whoops. Clips getting some of the rebounds on the Jordan misses.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 23, 2015, 01:08:55 AM
lol. Wtf was barnes doing. He is a terrible scorer. Give that thing up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 23, 2015, 01:13:52 AM
That block

 :dayum
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 23, 2015, 01:16:53 AM
Blake

 :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 23, 2015, 01:21:00 AM
I mean those tips like that are very difficult in those situations but you just knew Barnes wasn't going to be able to get that. I mean great defense but you are really playing 4 on 5 with him on the court on the offensive end.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 23, 2015, 01:29:26 AM
Don't pass the ball to Barnes!

He's 1 of 10 and he's awful.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 23, 2015, 01:32:46 AM
That may be game.

Felt like the Clips gave that one away down the stretch.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 23, 2015, 01:56:32 AM
That was the best game of the playoffs thus far. Glad I stayed up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 23, 2015, 02:51:38 AM
Blake...

Good game. Hopefully Parker is ok.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Beezy on April 23, 2015, 07:22:52 AM
Parker hasn't seemed 100% all season. :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Brehvolution on April 23, 2015, 12:28:03 PM
Barnes is a beast in nba2k13.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: benjipwns on April 23, 2015, 01:18:09 PM
DPOY vote:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDSDKUiWMAEJL2W.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: benjipwns on April 23, 2015, 06:30:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa8EppR36pU

 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: benjipwns on April 23, 2015, 06:39:46 PM
(http://www.bostonherald.com/sites/default/files/styles/full/public/media/ap/39eed29493e141a6b3ad4f6c42c6b053.jpg?itok=Wg3zcOdH&c=3ef2ec10b74d69c3222aa5e7050ede3b)
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GOODYEAR, Ariz. — Phoenix Mercury star Brittney Griner and her fiancee, fellow WNBA player Glory Johnson, were arrested on suspicion of assault and disorderly conduct after an argument in the home they recently purchased together became physical.

The two 24-year-olds were each arrested Wednesday on counts of assault by recklessly causing physical injuries and disorderly conduct for fighting. They were booked into the Maricopa County Jail in downtown Phoenix and later released.

Agents for the players did not immediately respond to requests for comment Thursday.

Griner told police that she and Johnson had been arguing every day and got into each other's faces Wednesday afternoon in the home they had bought two days earlier after Johnson said Griner "disrespected" her, according to a police report.

...

Griner also said she broke a dog bowl after throwing it against a wall during the argument.

Griner told police the fight was caused be weeks of stress, including buying a house, planning a wedding and their relationship. The pair announced their engagement late last summer and expected to get married next month.
:whoo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 23, 2015, 08:47:26 PM
Boston giving fits to the Cavs defense again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 23, 2015, 08:48:08 PM
Irving is having a rough game, but Love is performing in a big way.  But of course...dat Lebron.

Celtics are playing really well, can't knock 'em
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 23, 2015, 09:10:43 PM
Yeah Lebron is carrying this one again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 23, 2015, 09:26:38 PM
I don't like how predicatable the cavs offense is in the 4th quarter. It's even less dynamic than the heat offense was.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 23, 2015, 09:38:56 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 21, 2015, 09:06:51 PM
Celtics have an amazing coach.  I like what they've been doing
they're a bunch of spare parts. outside of Crowder, IT, and maybe Bradley I don't think anyone on that roster is safe

I do think Brad Stevens has a bright future at the NBA level though
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 23, 2015, 10:39:09 PM
Pelicans jumping all over the warriors.

And bulls-bucks in a close ot game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 23, 2015, 10:40:16 PM
double ot

If Bucks had any offense they would be dangerous.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 23, 2015, 11:11:04 PM
Warriors are flopping their asses off tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: benjipwns on April 23, 2015, 11:28:45 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on April 23, 2015, 09:38:56 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 21, 2015, 09:06:51 PM
Celtics have an amazing coach.  I like what they've been doing
they're a bunch of spare parts. outside of Crowder, IT, and maybe Bradley I don't think anyone on that roster is safe

I do think Brad Stevens has a bright future at the NBA level though
He's not afraid to break his rotation and adjust to a new situation specific one. Something his lack of "stars" has allowed him to do to be fair. Most NBA coaches will ride their rotation until it breaks and then ride it harder for some insane reason. Rick Carlisle had to learn to not do this over the years.

The opposite being when Don Nelson beat the Mavericks in the first round it was because he freaked out Avery Johnson so much before hand that Johnson broke his rotation out of fear instead of using the normal one on the court to start and THEN adjusting. (Something Spolestra had to learn too, playing Joel Anthony and other garbage like Jamaal Magloire for half the game or more because he was convinced he needed a "real" center on the floor. Then suddenly realizing he could just play Haslem or Bosh there and they stopped losing until the 2011 Finals.)

Quote
Stevens was impressed with his players' energy and spirit but said they lacked poise.

After the game, he repeated to his players a statement he once heard: "`When considering the consequences of not doing the little things, you realize there are no little things.' That applies to us right now."
:ohhh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 23, 2015, 11:38:24 PM
Pelicans really handling the Warriors tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2015, 12:09:36 AM
Pelicans so trying to give away this game in the 4th down the stretch.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 24, 2015, 12:14:13 AM
Pelicans!!!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 24, 2015, 12:14:48 AM
well fuck  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2015, 12:18:09 AM
The Pelicans are aware that Stephen Curry is a three point shooting monster right? And that they're allowed to rebound the ball?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2015, 12:18:57 AM
We need a monty williams emoticon.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 24, 2015, 12:19:29 AM
you gotta be fucking kidding me
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2015, 12:19:44 AM
lol what a fuck up
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 24, 2015, 12:20:23 AM
I never understand why teams don't foul in those circumstances
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2015, 12:22:19 AM
The Warriors have 20 offensive rebounds.

 :dead

39-19 fourth quarter
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2015, 12:24:27 AM
I don't know how that wasn't considered a foul on the 3 by curry. Should have been 4pt play.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 24, 2015, 12:25:50 AM
this game is lovely  :)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2015, 12:27:35 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2015, 12:24:27 AM
I don't know how that wasn't considered a foul on the 3 by curry. Should have been 4pt play.
Ricky Rubio agrees!
Quote
Ricky Rubio @rickyrubio9

And that was and 1. #StephCurry with the 3
Quote
Danny Granger @dgranger33


this guy Steph is RIDICULOUS!!!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 24, 2015, 12:30:18 AM
Lord.  I just can't imagine any team beating the Warriors.  Such beautiful basketball.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2015, 12:30:54 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFM7qL-wbIE
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2015, 12:30:59 AM
Pelicans are in complete disarray.

I think Monty Williams may have lost his job tonight.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2015, 12:33:25 AM
Where did Anthony Davis go, I swear he was playing during the first half.

Quote
The difference-maker stat in this Warriors comeback:
They outscored Pelicans 16-2 on 2nd-chance opportunities in 4th quarter
And it's still happening wtf Pelicans.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 24, 2015, 12:34:56 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2015, 12:30:59 AM
Pelicans are in complete disarray.

I think Monty Williams may have lost his job tonight.

 ???

He's not a great coach, but lets be real -- Pelis have played the 1 seed about as great an 8 seed can play them.  And they still might win this game.  If New Orleans can get one more all-star player on their team, they're close to contending in the West.  Don't fuck with coaching when you're still improving.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2015, 12:37:10 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 24, 2015, 12:34:56 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2015, 12:30:59 AM
Pelicans are in complete disarray.

I think Monty Williams may have lost his job tonight.

 ???

He's not a great coach, but lets be real -- Pelis have played the 1 seed about as great an 8 seed can play them.  And they still might win this game.  If New Orleans can get one more all-star player on their team, they're close to contending in the West.  Don't fuck with coaching when you're still improving.

You still shouldn't drop 20 points in the 4th quarter. They simply haven't played right or had the right people on the court. It's a reflection on him imo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 24, 2015, 12:39:09 AM
it happens.  I still say you give him another season
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2015, 12:41:40 AM
 :neogaf

Klay
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2015, 12:42:18 AM
Remember that time they maxed out Eric Gordon even though he wanted to leave.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2015, 12:44:07 AM
How do you get vaporized on the offensive boards with Davis and Asik?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 24, 2015, 12:44:31 AM
Terrible last possession by Davis.  Thats his age showing.  You gotta kick it to your shooters in that circumstance.

Amazingly fun game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pelicans Collapse!)
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2015, 12:48:19 AM
Quincy Poindexter's -29 +/-

 :dead

And he only attempted one triple, isn't that the entire reason they play him?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pelicans Collapse!)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 24, 2015, 01:07:00 AM
Remember when they used their cap space to resign Gordon to a max to play him 25 minutes a game, brought in jrue off of inflated stats from a shitty Philadelphia for nerlens noel, padded out their backcourt with Reke and then sent a first rounder and cash to houston for Asik, whos done nothing but pout since chicago?

This franchise is garbage,  their fo is garbage, heir head coach is garbage. Unibrow is the only salvageable thing here (jk pondexter and ryno are alright). Monty should be fired within the week.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pelicans Collapse!)
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2015, 01:22:39 AM
Davis only scored twice after the third quarter.

There was some bad coaching here in the fourth and odd passive play.

Eric Gordon took one shot in the fourth, Jrue Holiday took one shot in the fourth, and they were both on the floor with Pondexter (two attempts) down the stretch when the lead evaporated. Evans took five shots and missed them all. Between the four of them they made one basket in the fourth. Davis added another.

Williams took out Anderson even though he was the only one scoring. TO GO EVEN SMALLER even as they were getting killed on the offensive boards.

Warriors went on a 29-8 run over the last 5 minutes of the fourth and first 2 minutes of the OT.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Pelicans Collapse!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2015, 07:23:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0Y7JzsAU78
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-por13tRMQ
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2015, 08:19:49 PM
No Rondo. Mavs score 72 points in a half.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2015, 08:23:25 PM
Houston should petition the NBA to force them to play Rondo. Or at least fine them for "sitting stars."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2015, 08:26:00 PM
The Mavs finding a use for Charlie V is one of my top favorite things this season. They stick him in as a poor man's Dirk for just a couple minutes since he's got the same range and height combo and they don't have to change anything else then.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2015, 09:40:33 PM
Crazy offensive game
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2015, 09:48:23 PM
This is like 80's basketball.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2015, 09:53:43 PM
Good effort for Mavs. Just fell short.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: eleuin on April 24, 2015, 11:58:27 PM
Toronto sports continuously finds new ways to disappoint me  :aah

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2015, 12:30:26 AM
Spurs look like the Spurs again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Huff on April 25, 2015, 12:32:38 AM
is it weird i'm totes rooting for the spurs?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: benjipwns on April 25, 2015, 04:10:28 PM
https://vine.co/v/eWhhnDI21zZ

h4x
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 25, 2015, 04:25:32 PM
Best QB in Cleveland.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2015, 05:17:23 PM
Deron Williams after scoring 2 points in the last game has 3 points so far and we are in the 4th quarter.

He still is under contract for 2 more years making 21 million next year and 22 million, the year after that.

 :sabu

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: benjipwns on April 25, 2015, 05:48:52 PM
Yeah, but Chris Paul hasn't won anything in the playoffs like he has.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2015, 06:11:14 PM
<insert jerk about CP3/Deron debate being like Prince/MJ music debate in the 80's but instead Deron turned into Rockwell>

No one born after 19XX gets the reference.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2015, 06:55:45 PM
Feels like more Bulls fan than Bucks fans at this game at the Bradley Center.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 25, 2015, 08:14:29 PM
Bucks Bulls g4 turned out to be a great game
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2015, 08:17:10 PM
Yeah, great effort from both sides.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2015, 08:21:11 PM
The moment mayo took that shot I was like that's a bad shot.

And then it went down.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 25, 2015, 08:21:34 PM
great final play

Bucks push it to a meaningless 5 games
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2015, 08:31:15 PM
wow
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2015, 08:39:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy9c18LeSpI
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Your Stalker on April 25, 2015, 09:29:31 PM
Looks like it's over for the Pelicans.  They should probably just lay down and die after that last L.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2015, 12:34:15 AM
Portland looks like they are gonna get swept.

Lot of rumours  that Aldridge will leave in free-agency either to New York or some other destination.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Beezy on April 26, 2015, 02:56:10 AM
Lol everyone is always rumored to go to NY. It's the team name to throw out there whenever a player is trying to get a max contract/overpaid. No one actually comes here.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: T-Short on April 26, 2015, 01:28:33 PM
Wow, Love out for the game in 1Q, looked like a dislocated shoulder
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: team filler on April 26, 2015, 01:35:28 PM
Quote from: Beezy on April 26, 2015, 02:56:10 AM
Lol everyone is always rumored to go to NY. It's the team name to throw out there whenever a player is trying to get a max contract/overpaid. No one actually comes here.

same shit with oakland in the nfl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 26, 2015, 01:41:33 PM
Quote from: filler on April 26, 2015, 01:35:28 PM
Quote from: Beezy on April 26, 2015, 02:56:10 AM
Lol everyone is always rumored to go to NY. It's the team name to throw out there whenever a player is trying to get a max contract/overpaid. No one actually comes here.

same shit with oakland in the nfl
would you do business with this man?
(https://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/markdavis1xoburkolhqm.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2015, 02:05:43 PM
Perkins now even more useless.

 :gurl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: T-Short on April 26, 2015, 02:38:37 PM
JR Smith getting a flagrant two after a hurricane pawnch on Crowder  :banplz
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2015, 02:47:42 PM
I stopped watching at half-time.

At least I don't have to hear all this JR smith is reformed bullshit anymore.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Beezy on April 26, 2015, 02:57:06 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on April 26, 2015, 02:28:19 PM
Quote from: Beezy on April 26, 2015, 02:56:10 AM
Lol everyone is always rumored to go to NY. It's the team name to throw out there whenever a player is trying to get a max contract/overpaid. No one actually comes here.

(http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/4cc706fd4bd7c8cc29100000-480/new-york-knicks-madison-square-garden-msg-amare-stoudemire.jpg)
NY was the only team dumb enough to give him and his knees a max 5 yr contract. Of course he came here.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2015, 02:57:11 PM
Perkins is so garbage. Cut that motherfucker.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 26, 2015, 03:02:27 PM
Cavs should have let Boston win so the suspensions get handed down for this series instead of during the Bulls series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2015, 03:41:13 PM
Absolutely unwatchable game there between Celts and Cavs. Felt like it dragged on for 5 hours.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 26, 2015, 03:45:09 PM
Lots of fans still left in the Gahhden. Respect to them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 26, 2015, 03:49:28 PM
Shit was pathetic. You're up 20 points, why the fuck do you even need to do goon shit like that?

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2015, 04:36:15 PM
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BOSTON -- Cavaliers forward Kevin Lovedislocated his left shoulder in the first quarter of Game 4 against the Celtics on Sunday and was ruled out for the rest of the game, which Cleveland won, 101-93, to sweep the first-round series.

Love was tangled up with Boston's Kelly Olynyk when the play occurred. Olynyk was called for a loose-ball foul with 5:22 remaining in the first quarter for clamping down on Love's left arm and pulling down, causing the injury. The seventh-year forward sprinted immediately to the Cavs' locker room while holding his shoulder after the contact.

The Cavs said Love will undergo further examination at Cleveland Clinic Sports Health in the next 24 hours.

"I thought it was a bush-league play," Love said following the game. "I have no doubt in my mind that he did it on purpose."

I didn't like the Olynky foul either. Not sure it was 100% intentional but I didn't care for how he did it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: dkdk on April 26, 2015, 04:41:03 PM
they had to drag crowder off the court  :lol

i say don't suspend JR and just call it even for Olynyk ripping Love's arm out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 26, 2015, 04:46:18 PM
Suspend JR for a game, he deserves it
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2015, 05:45:05 PM
Austin Rivers looking like an actual NBA player today.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Cheddahz on April 26, 2015, 08:16:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VKIY5fNqNc
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 26, 2015, 08:23:58 PM
Joe Dumars, ladies and gentlemen.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 26, 2015, 10:13:36 PM
Rooting for the Bucks to extend the series another game so Love can get his rest. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: benjipwns on April 26, 2015, 11:59:19 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2015, 12:34:15 AM
Portland looks like they are gonna get swept.

Lot of rumours  that Aldridge will leave in free-agency either to New York or some other destination.
Everything I've seen says Dallas.

Quote from: The Walrus on April 26, 2015, 02:28:19 PM
(http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/4cc706fd4bd7c8cc29100000-480/new-york-knicks-madison-square-garden-msg-amare-stoudemire.jpg)
Well, sure, when you're the only team willing to take on an uninsured $100+ million dollar contract.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 27, 2015, 01:41:42 AM
It's meaningless, but I'm glad the Mavericks didn't get swept. I don't know if they'll land Aldridge or not, but they're definitely gonna have to make some moves this offseason.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 27, 2015, 02:08:54 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VKIY5fNqNc

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: HiResDes on April 27, 2015, 07:56:39 AM
The Spurs have won me over after years of dedicated hate. I think I have a thing for old villains. Ginobili is still the master troll of the NBA. Leonard forever be sandbagging until they really need a win. Duncan is truly the god of fundamentals and referee haggling. However, every other team in the West better be rooting their ass for the Clippers at this point.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2015, 08:46:55 AM
Someone used this phrase in a Bill Simmons podcast and it just fit to me. The Spurs just play solved basketball. It's like if they are completely on, that style is just unbeatable. It just fundamentally seems like the best way to play basketball if you have the quality of parts that they do.

Sometimes it fails but it always look right versus some of the junky basketball that can develop when it a team is solely reliant on a superstar doing superstar things.

Normally you would be upset with a team (even though you know its a childish feeling) for pounding your team into a pulp like they did the heat last year, but you just couldn't. It was like an instruction manual on how to play basketball the right way. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2015, 09:02:48 AM
It's good to see people appreciate that style. I remember lots of complaints about "boring basketball" during the Spurs Pistons final long ago.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: HiResDes on April 27, 2015, 09:03:53 AM
It's kind of like watching a Coach K team, but with a bit more talent (color) on the court.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2015, 09:14:32 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2015, 09:02:48 AM
It's good to see people appreciate that style. I remember lots of complaints about "boring basketball" during the Spurs Pistons final long ago.

I do think they were boring at one time. The first few championships with Duncan and Robinson weren't the most aesthetically pleasing basketball. But then that was the era. The defensive rules still allowed you to mug people so pretty basketball was difficult to make work when you hit the playoffs.

When they changed the rules, the Spurs changed to match the new breed of up-tempo teams and that's when it got better to watch.


I never want to go back to those dark days where teams like the Knicks and Heat just beat up people and that was the dominant style.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: HiResDes on April 27, 2015, 09:24:34 AM
I don't know man, bad boy Piston era was hype, as were the years that followed. The physicalness of the game seemed to make rivalries and exchanges more heated. The 93 Hornets, Magic, Pacers, Rockets, Hawks, Suns and Sonics...Those were the days man.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2015, 09:27:00 AM
Quote from: HiResDes on April 27, 2015, 09:24:34 AM
I don't know man, bad boy Piston era was hype. The physicalness of the game seemed to make rivalries and exchanges more heated. The 93 Hornets, Magic, Pacers, Knicks, Rockets, Hawks, Suns and Sonics...Those were the days man.

Yep. I loved that shit. Seeing guys come in the game who were basically just goons...always fun.

Charles Oakley
:rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2015, 09:33:50 AM
I respect those players and it is what it is, but I think that era was terrible for enjoyable to watch basketball. I think it turned the game into something that I personally lost my love for at the time. And I think it turned so personality driven at the time because it had to because the product wasn't fun to watch.

That also has a lot to do with the basketball I grew up with. I grew up watching great offensive basketball in the 80's so that was basketball to me. (There was also low effort defense of course)

My basketball enjoyment in recent years has increased so much because offense is allowed to be unchained.

When it comes to football, I'm kind of an old school defensive guy so I don't like a lot of modern football but when it comes to basketball, I want the rules to always favor free flowing offenses.

I think a lot of your perception of what a sport should be is when you first become a fan of it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: HiResDes on April 27, 2015, 09:57:02 AM
I feel like the front-court was more unchained than it is now actually. It was the era where you can get away with having just a marginally good back court as long as they could defend and make good passes into the paint. Gary Payton was probably my favorite guard of the era, and he really didn't shoot that well from beyond fiteen feet.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 27, 2015, 10:04:59 AM
Typical bLazers, man, always imploding in playoffs. Now we're gonna lose LA too :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: HiResDes on April 27, 2015, 10:13:16 AM
It's kind of sad thinking about how good The Blazers, Pacers, Thunder, and Bulls could have been over the years had they not been plagued by injuries or made horrible trades.

Roy, Alridge, Fernandez, Batum...Odom That could have been an amazing squad.  Everyone knows about The Thunder's all-star lineup with a healthy Durant, Harden, and Westbrook...Probably the best offensive potential of any team I can think of in the past decade. The Pacers gave up too soon, and made horrible trades in my opinion even before the Paul George injury.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Beezy on April 27, 2015, 01:37:46 PM
Cavs defense might be better without him. :hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 27, 2015, 01:55:02 PM
Just puts more minutes on Mozgov and Thompson, which means they will be in more foul trouble.
 
Which then means ...  more Perkins.

 :goty2

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Mandark on April 27, 2015, 03:40:19 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2015, 09:02:48 AM
It's good to see people appreciate that style. I remember lots of complaints about "boring basketball" during the Spurs Pistons final long ago.

Those Spurs played a much, much more basic offensive style.

It wasn't completely different; even then they were spreading the floor with shooters and looking for corner 3's.  Basically they'd throw it in to Duncan in the post or run a high pick-and-roll with Parker or Ginobili and if they drew a double team they'd pass it out as the defense rotated.  But compared to the Spurs of the last few years, that team was really static, with Brent Barry and Bruce Bowen mostly standing behind the 3-point line.  The current version has constant motion from everyone even when they don't have the ball, and almost everyone in their rotation can act as a playmaker.

Popovich has said they took a lot from what the Suns were doing on offense after Phoenix finally beat them in 2010.  His willingness and ability to adapt to new ideas so deep into his coaching career is really impressive.


edit: I watched every game of that Pistons-Spurs series and thought it was really good physical basketball.  I remember thinking Spurs-Nets was hot garbage, though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2015, 05:08:05 PM
can't pass up an opportunity to post ether aimed at Jason Whitlock.
http://deadspin.com/how-jason-whitlock-is-poisoning-espns-black-grantland-1698683962
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 27, 2015, 05:25:44 PM
what a fucking shitheel
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2015, 05:47:16 PM
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Your email to me and Danielle late Saturday night/early Sunday morning about Robin Thicke is an example of remaining off-message and tone deaf. On Friday, we had just discussed in significant detail that it is unlikely we would have a pop culture writer at the launch of the site. I ended our discussion saying the best way to fix this is by focusing on great sports content that will win us internal victories between now and launch. I’m sure you will argue that the intention of the email was totally innocent and not meant to contradict the conversation we had just had on Friday. At this point, I’m unconcerned about intention. The email created the impression with me that you did not comprehend my strategy as it relates to the coverage of pop culture or you wanted to file one last objection to my strategy by passive-aggressively arguing (through 2 am email) that it’s essential we cover some music trial. The email was a mistake and further undermines my belief that you can take direction from me.

the passive aggressiveness, the douche chills....my god
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 27, 2015, 05:58:28 PM
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Over the last several weeks, Deadspin has, in addition to interviewing a number of people close to the site, acquired more than 100 documents extensively outlining the inner workings of The Undefeated as it prepared for its initial launch: emails, transcripts of staff meetings and phone calls, several versions of the lengthy playbook in which Whitlock outlines his vision for the site, breaking up the text with inspirational quotes from such figures such as Martin Luther King Jr., Maya Angelou, and Jason Whitlock; and more.
(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/laff.gif)

e:
Quote from: Whitlock's email
What got Amy into trouble is coming to work every day trying to score 30 points and grab 18 rebounds. You need to approach this job like all you have to do is score 6 points, get three assists and hustle back on defense. Great journalists have 2 ears, 2 eyes and 1 mouth. They listen/observe four times as much as they talk. It’s not an accident we have 1 mouth.
this guy is sooo corny
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2015, 06:08:26 PM
(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--f8hnNR1G--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/1227562185794576301.png)

Walrus, post if you are ok.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 27, 2015, 06:25:26 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2015, 05:47:16 PM
Quote
Your email to me and Danielle late Saturday night/early Sunday morning about Robin Thicke is an example of remaining off-message and tone deaf. On Friday, we had just discussed in significant detail that it is unlikely we would have a pop culture writer at the launch of the site. I ended our discussion saying the best way to fix this is by focusing on great sports content that will win us internal victories between now and launch. I’m sure you will argue that the intention of the email was totally innocent and not meant to contradict the conversation we had just had on Friday. At this point, I’m unconcerned about intention. The email created the impression with me that you did not comprehend my strategy as it relates to the coverage of pop culture or you wanted to file one last objection to my strategy by passive-aggressively arguing (through 2 am email) that it’s essential we cover some music trial. The email was a mistake and further undermines my belief that you can take direction from me.

the passive aggressiveness, the douche chills....my god

Bosses like this are fucking scum
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2015, 06:33:34 PM
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One method Carter used from the get-go was the Ripple, a daily meeting taking its name from what happens after you throw a rock in the water. At these meetings, Carter convened the younger half of the staff to make suggestions on the order of drawing up a list of experts and authorities to consult on subjects the site would be covering and discuss what stories the site would actually cover, if it existed. (In his first week, according to a participant’s notes, these included the then-ongoing controversy over Brian Williams’s dodgy memory, the conflict between Chris Paul and referee Lauren Holtkamp, and Kerry Washington’s skin having been digitally lightened on the cover of InStyle.) These meetings soon detoured in strange directions.

One Ripple, for instance, turned into a colloquy on slang and modern music, according to a transcript of the meeting. Prompted by a draft of a story in which Justin Tinsley had used the word “dropped” in reference to the rapper Drake’s new album, Leon Carter picked up his legal pad and dropped it on the floor.

“So Drake,” he said, “he dropped the album. So I’m going to pick it up and I want you”—addressing Justin—“to discuss the album.”

“I mean, he released the album!” said Carter. “But of course, you want to be hip, it has to be ‘dropped.’ He ‘dropped’ it.”

“Released is fine, too,” said Tinsley.

“No, it’s not!” said Carter. “No, it’s not!” The conversation soon turned to ’90s R&B lothario Keith Sweat before Carter decided to hear some of Drake’s music for himself. “Okay, enough!” he said, after hearing the words “nicca” and “fuck.”
:stahp
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 27, 2015, 06:57:58 PM
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Whitlock went on, blaming Ronald Reagan and, of all people, long-dead rapper Eazy-E for having inspired the “Selfie Generation, the most photographed and least reflective generation of young people America has ever produced.”
(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/laff.gif)
G-d bless Greg Howard

Quote
He is so paranoid that, according to a source close to him, after the publication of my critical story last year, Whitlock was shaken enough that he took to binge-watching 9/11 conspiracy videos. “Truther shit on Netflix,” was how the source characterized it. “That’s what your first article did to him.”
yooo :ohhh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2015, 09:18:50 PM
Deron williams just hit a huge stupid 3 point shot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 27, 2015, 09:41:24 PM
Thibodeaux coaching this Bulls team is criminal, all their weapons and they can't even run an offensive set
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 27, 2015, 09:41:49 PM
Nets :leon
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2015, 10:02:22 PM
Bucks are tough man.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 27, 2015, 10:08:05 PM
lool Butler, guys played great this series
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 27, 2015, 10:16:04 PM
Do 'em dirty Bucks, take it to seven!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2015, 10:31:50 PM
Gasol has been a beast.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2015, 10:33:28 PM
Derrick Rose 5 of 20
Jimmy Butler 5 of 20

 :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2015, 01:08:00 AM
Nice set of games tonight. All were close.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1MGwX3pTnk
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 28, 2015, 07:17:06 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2015, 10:33:28 PM
Derrick Rose 5 of 20
Jimmy Butler 5 of 20

 :kobeyuck

I know Rose makes offense happen by his driving and kicking, but man is he inefficient as hell while doing it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: HiResDes on April 28, 2015, 11:38:05 AM
Yo if Brooklyn actually beat the Hawks (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/mjlol.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2015, 01:56:51 PM
Cavs now saying Love is done for the playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 28, 2015, 02:21:11 PM
Wow. 2015 fucking sucked
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 28, 2015, 02:21:32 PM
They're still coming out of the east
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Steve Contra on April 28, 2015, 02:24:19 PM
Smith out 2 games and Love done for the season?  The refs are going to have to put on a Tim Donaghy level performance if they want to get LeBron to the finals.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 28, 2015, 02:28:33 PM
Dunno. Chicago isn't looking hot lately. Don't know much about Atlanta so I can't comment; pretty sure I haven't seen them play this season.

But if they do get to the finals I can't imagine them beating the Spurs (or whoever wins the west) without Love.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2015, 02:28:43 PM
The problem is going to be the depth. You are going to see a lot more of players like James Jones. Which is not a good thing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2015, 02:31:13 PM
Bill Simmons running defense for olynyk. If this had happened to an important Celtic he would be calling it the worst hate crime of the century.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 28, 2015, 06:48:23 PM
Chicago and Atlanta both looked like garbage last night, both series' might get pushed to 7 games which is ridiculous. pending the Cavaliers' response to Love's injury and their suspensions, Washington (lol) is the only team in the East that's clicking right now
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2015, 07:07:15 PM
I think its all about matchups. The Bulls seem like a very difficult matchup for the Cavs because of their size and the amount of quality big men they can throw out there their especially with Love gone. If the Bucks could somehow miraculously upset the bulls, the cavs match up much better with them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2015, 12:01:41 AM
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Kevin Pelton
@kpelton

Matt Bonner is close to an ideal intentional fouler. Helps Spurs offense and they don't mind him picking up fouls. 15m
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2015, 01:31:22 AM
Hell of a game. I feel sorry for whichever team loses this series because they are legit possible title contenders.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2015, 01:43:24 AM
so unfortunate
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: HiResDes on April 29, 2015, 07:54:06 AM
I'm not much of a LeBron hater, kind of like his game along with Irving,  but I think it would be awesome to see old man Paul take his soul in the playoffs again for one last hurrah.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2015, 05:56:19 PM
http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/12787917/rajon-rondo-does-not-get-playoff-share-dallas-mavericks

 :leon
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: HiResDes on April 29, 2015, 06:02:06 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2015, 05:56:19 PM
http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/12787917/rajon-rondo-does-not-get-playoff-share-dallas-mavericks

 :leon

Horrendous trade, what the fuck were they thinking?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2015, 11:44:51 PM
https://twitter.com/trailblazers/status/593618844536602625
https://twitter.com/trailblazers/status/593619570935468032
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: benjipwns on April 30, 2015, 02:10:04 AM
Wiggins picks up the Rookie of the Year award.

Billy Donovan likely be named Thunder head coach Thursday or Friday. Unless he backs out again. Apparently with Kevin Ollie backing out he got Durant's approval.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: bachikarn on April 30, 2015, 08:32:13 PM
damnit Billy. Gonna miss him at UF. Think he will do really well in the NBA. He is a genius from an X's and O's prospective, and there isn't a better time in the NBA to implement his system.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 30, 2015, 08:34:32 PM
Bulls doubling up Milwaukee, this looks like a team that could scare a Loveless/JRless Cavs team
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 30, 2015, 08:48:59 PM
you gotta love these "Playoff Intensity" mashups that amount to clips of dudes leveling the opposing players because they're down 40
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2015, 08:55:01 PM
As a young team you could just tell the Bucks had quit early on this one. They already struggle on offense and once Chicago got a decent lead, the fight was gone.

Now on to the actual important game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Beezy on April 30, 2015, 09:12:16 PM
https://vine.co/v/e7neQHjgql6

Did the refs catch this?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 01, 2015, 12:30:21 AM
Clips force game 7.

Series has had great intensity. Has felt like a conference finals.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: benjipwns on May 02, 2015, 04:16:18 AM
http://hoopshype.com/blogs/hoopshype/trivia-can-you-identify-these-nba-players-from-the-90s

Missed #6, totally did not look like how I remembered him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: benjipwns on May 02, 2015, 04:58:04 AM
Blake Griffin is averaging 24/13/7/2/2 in this series. He must really want to make up for those stinkers he laid the last few playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: HiResDes on May 02, 2015, 08:30:47 AM
Clips Spurs might end up being the best series we see.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2015, 06:57:12 PM
Quote
A day after the Brooklyn Nets were eliminated from the playoffs, head coach Lionel Hollins admitted point guard Deron Williams is no longer a franchise player.

"He's not a franchise player anymore," Hollins said on Saturday morning during break-up day. "He's a good player, he's a solid player, but I don't think he's a franchise player anymore. That's just my opinion. He's a good player. I'm proud of the way he's bounced back and played, and there's so much pressure on him to be a franchise player, and everybody talks about a franchise player, but we need to have a franchise team.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/12806831/brooklyn-nets-coach-lionel-hollins-says-deron-williams-no-longer-franchise-player

 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2015, 08:35:26 PM
Hopefully Paul isn't seriously hurt.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2015, 08:50:06 PM
Damn. I think he's done.  :goty2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2015, 08:59:41 PM
He's back. Let's see if he has anything.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2015, 09:09:21 PM
He's so hobbled...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2015, 10:00:41 PM
4th quarter of destiny.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Mandark on May 02, 2015, 10:02:51 PM
Manu doing the "throw it up from the back court" to draw the shooting foul that CP3 always goes for and never gets.  Doc and Paul get INCENSED, and then Paul banks in a 3 to end the quarter.  Hot damn.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2015, 10:28:15 PM
Tim Duncan is unreal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2015, 10:31:33 PM
what a game
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2015, 10:32:54 PM
Doc should have called timeout once the clock hit 2:00 to put DeAndre back in. They are getting killed on the boards,
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 02, 2015, 10:33:32 PM
This game is classic. Duncan is timeless.

Spurs are killing them on the boards.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2015, 10:38:44 PM
It had to go down to this. Spurs are about to create and hit some amazing shot. Calling it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 02, 2015, 10:40:39 PM
Two dumb foul calls.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Fraction on May 02, 2015, 10:42:02 PM
holy shit
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2015, 10:43:22 PM
Game of the forever. I still feel like the spurs are gonna hit a three and win it. Fuckers are Michael Myers.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 02, 2015, 10:45:39 PM
Wow.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2015, 10:46:10 PM
As classic as any series I've ever watched. As good as it gets when it comes to basketball.

 :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 02, 2015, 10:46:39 PM
Chris Webber is right, Barnes came in like a safety.
:whoo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2015, 10:47:07 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/OgX2vzr.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Your Stalker on May 02, 2015, 10:47:56 PM
wow
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Mandark on May 02, 2015, 10:52:49 PM
 :whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 02, 2015, 10:54:36 PM
I've lost so much Coli Cash tonight
:tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Mandark on May 02, 2015, 10:59:21 PM
Crazy that CP3 was so obviously hobbled and the Clippers were trying to find offense without him running the pick-and-roll (dumping it into Blake in the post, running Reddick around screens), yet he winds up being tied with Duncan (!!!) for leading scorer in the game AND hits that fadeaway bank shot at the end.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: benjipwns on May 02, 2015, 11:09:51 PM
Danny Green going to be found in some LA dumpster for backing off for a drive.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: benjipwns on May 02, 2015, 11:13:33 PM
Quote
Pop on what's next for him, Duncan and Ginobli: "We'll probably come back. Paycheck's pretty good."

Quote
"It's a shame that this was the first round." - Chris Paul
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2015, 11:26:20 PM
https://twitter.com/BR_NBA/status/594695318836355072

 :tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 03, 2015, 01:14:36 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2015, 11:26:20 PM
https://twitter.com/BR_NBA/status/594695318836355072

 :tocry

Can love bloom on the battlefield?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2015, 01:35:13 AM
Tim Duncan for the series.

17.9 ppg
FG 59%
11.1 Rebs
3.3 ast
1.4 blocks

 :obama


Manu Ginobili

8.0 pts
FG:35%
3pt FG:36%
2 turnovers a game


 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Beezy on May 03, 2015, 07:53:33 AM
I still don't understand how they managed to make Big Baby so useful in this series. Congrats to the Clips. Houston doesn't have their starting point guard, so hopefully CP3 can rest for a game or 2. I want him to be as close to a 100% as possible when they face GSW. That's the only series that has a chance at being better than what we just saw.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2015, 04:55:38 PM
Nobody is going to beat the Warriors, I'm realizing now for real.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Beezy on May 03, 2015, 08:27:13 PM
 :deadpos
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 03, 2015, 09:50:25 PM
Him and Harden had been dueling the last few weeks of the season.  Curry definitely is mine after seeing what he means for other players around him.

Lebrun still goat tho
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2015, 08:34:31 PM
Cavs are in trouble
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2015, 09:27:42 PM
Lots of problems for the cavs tonight. Bad Defense. Inconsistent effort. Too many sub-par role players. It will be a tough series for them. Very winnable for the bulls.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Yulwei on May 04, 2015, 09:29:18 PM
"Cavs bout to get swept bruh"

famous last words from a friend

we'll be back
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 04, 2015, 09:40:26 PM
Cavs just had a dreadful 1st qtr they couldn't overcome. Which is understandable given the layoff and the lack of two starters.

 They have always been a team that needs to score 101+ points to have success.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2015, 01:49:03 AM
Quote from: Esch on May 06, 2015, 01:26:04 AM
great win for the boys

:bow grizzalamu alaykum :bow2
:hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 06, 2015, 01:56:59 AM
Oh man, I know it's not gonna happen, but could you IMAGINE the Glen Shinobi salt a Rockets-Cavs finals would produce? Dude's head would probably 'asplode.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2015, 01:57:36 AM
Ok nm, I remember you saying you're a Grizz fan.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: HiResDes on May 06, 2015, 02:16:46 PM
How could you be a Grizzly fan back in the day, I mean what were you hyped on Big Country and Stromile Swift...LMFAO
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 06, 2015, 07:30:03 PM
Cavs more focused from the jump. Putting it on early.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 06, 2015, 08:21:29 PM
Lebron the goat
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 06, 2015, 08:52:39 PM
Lebron has just been insanely aggressive tonight. As if he doesn't really trust the rest of these guys. But its working.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 06, 2015, 09:09:12 PM
Marion can't seem to get off the bench. I thought he would be useful defensively in a series like this.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Your Stalker on May 07, 2015, 12:34:31 AM
this nicca austin rivers tripped over his own feet
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 07, 2015, 12:37:54 AM
https://instagram.com/p/0vM02UrzQw/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: HiResDes on May 07, 2015, 09:23:01 AM
Man Wizards really need Wall, hope he can come back. I really would rather see Wizards Cavs than Hawks Cavs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 07, 2015, 10:41:08 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 06, 2015, 08:21:29 PM
Lebron the goat

(http://i.imgur.com/uxoCZ.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: naff on May 07, 2015, 04:48:36 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2015, 04:55:38 PM
Nobody is going to beat the Warriors, I'm realizing now for real.


put 20 on them to take it all at the beginning of the season. 21:1 odds  :noah
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 07, 2015, 06:43:26 PM
Quote
Washington Wizards point guard John Wall has five non-displaced fractures in his injured left wrist and hand and his status for the rest of the Eastern Conference semifinal series against the Atlanta Hawks is uncertain.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Beezy on May 07, 2015, 07:10:58 PM
 :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 07, 2015, 07:12:07 PM
fuck this gay earth
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 08, 2015, 11:38:10 AM
Hey guys look

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/bill-simmons-leaving-espn-142700737.html

For like the first six months to a year, it will be worth reading/listening to Simmons again just to hear him talk mad shit about ESPN. Then I can go back to acting like he doesn't exist.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 08, 2015, 12:07:02 PM
Austin Rivers is the worst basketball player I have ever seen and I play ball in an over 30 league with lawyers and shit.

That is all.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 08, 2015, 12:27:27 PM
I fucking love Simmons so this makes me sad
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 08, 2015, 12:28:09 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 08, 2015, 12:27:27 PM
I fucking love Simmons so this makes me sad

Come on man. You had to see this coming.  Had to.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 08, 2015, 12:29:22 PM
Oh I for sure did especially after he got suspended for the Goodell remarks.  I'm just a huge fan of Grantland and the BS Report and all of his writers.  He'll leave and Grantland will stay, only for ESPN to ruin it and eventually ax it because it doesn't make money.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 08, 2015, 12:30:36 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 08, 2015, 12:29:22 PM
Oh I for sure did especially after he got suspended for the Goodell remarks.  I'm just a huge fan of Grantland and the BS Report and all of his writers.  He'll leave and Grantland will stay, only for ESPN to ruin it and eventually ax it because it doesn't make money.

I'm positive he'll keep grantland. From what was said seems like ESPN isn't very supportive of it anyway.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2015, 12:46:09 PM
Bill is very smart but he also has a surprisingly big ego. He seems like the type who is going to create a problem where ever he goes. That being said, good luck to him. Grantland was a good idea. His podcasts and 30 for 30 work was good stuff. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 08, 2015, 01:59:41 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 08, 2015, 12:30:36 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 08, 2015, 12:29:22 PM
Oh I for sure did especially after he got suspended for the Goodell remarks.  I'm just a huge fan of Grantland and the BS Report and all of his writers.  He'll leave and Grantland will stay, only for ESPN to ruin it and eventually ax it because it doesn't make money.

I'm positive he'll keep grantland. From what was said seems like ESPN isn't very supportive of it anyway.

It was announced Grantland would remain an ESPN entity.  David Cho is leaving as well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 08, 2015, 02:48:35 PM
Simmons will be fine.


This was destined to happen though. ESPN thinks they make the stars (and they do) and Bill is a unique personality that made himself to a certain extent. ESPN can't pay him what he's actually worth, because then they will have to pay everyone else accordingly.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 08, 2015, 02:58:03 PM
Yeah, if you like Simmons, this is actually a positive move. You'll get more Simmons, being more Simmons-y. The first time he goes on the Dan Patrick show after his contract expires is gonna be saltier than the entire state of Utah.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 08, 2015, 03:03:01 PM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on May 08, 2015, 02:58:03 PM
Yeah, if you like Simmons, this is actually a positive move. You'll get more Simmons, being more Simmons-y. The first time he goes on the Dan Patrick show after his contract expires is gonna be saltier than the entire state of Utah.

I'm sure Lebatard is going to want him on the radio show. I'll be interested if he pops up there today or Monday.

It is kind of curious that ESPN came out so early and called off the talks. You could either read that as a negotiating ploy to put pressure on Simmons or read it that he already had an offer in place with somewhere else and the price is astronomical.

 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2015, 05:06:32 PM
Simmons can fuck off with his blatant fanboyism though.

and Whitlock can fuck off too.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Steve Contra on May 08, 2015, 05:07:31 PM
Bill Simmons is awful, Espn is awful, they were a perfect fit :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 08, 2015, 05:19:01 PM
Simmons' fanboyism is a part of his charm, I think.  He'll happily try to steer any discussion towards the Celtics and the entertainment is seeing his guests or other writers try to get him off that line of thinking  :lol

I just think he's the sort of dude I'd like talking sports with.  Not to mention he's responsible for the best things ESPN has done in years: Grantland and 30 for 30.  The dude knows good content, regardless of his biases.


Whitlock is the worst though
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2015, 08:54:23 PM
Cleveland offense is so fucking vanilla and predictable.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: benjipwns on May 08, 2015, 08:56:08 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 08, 2015, 12:07:02 PM
Austin Rivers is the worst basketball player I have ever seen and I play ball in an over 30 league with lawyers and shit.

That is all.
Take that back, his father has coached grown men to championships.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd6KvNeHMFk
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2015, 09:34:30 PM
Not a pretty game but a lot of intensity on both sides.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: benjipwns on May 08, 2015, 09:36:59 PM
Those were Rose's first free throws in four games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2015, 09:45:24 PM
Lebron's jumper is gone.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2015, 10:15:19 PM
Cavs offense still incredibly predictable. Blatt needs to actually start an offense here.

It's all Lebron iso. Nobody else is moving unless they get a pass to shoot. Zero actual execution of plays.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2015, 10:32:21 PM
Let's see if blatt actually calls a decent play out of this timeout or is it more iso.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2015, 10:36:51 PM
Wow. Great by butler. Bad defense from Cavs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2015, 10:38:35 PM
wow
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2015, 10:41:25 PM
double wow
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Yulwei on May 08, 2015, 10:42:20 PM
Good shit D rose ain't even mad
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2015, 10:43:51 PM
Completely ugly game but it was very intense. Good win for the Bulls. Cavs have a lot of issues to sort out on offense. It just can't be the Lebron show on offense. It has to be something more complex and smarter than that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 08, 2015, 10:44:01 PM
wow
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2015, 10:51:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRywrR9HlpQ
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 08, 2015, 11:58:24 PM
Lebron was inefficient and Kyrie was invisible. Yet they barely lost.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2015, 12:40:41 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on May 08, 2015, 11:58:24 PM
Lebron was inefficient and Kyrie was invisible. Yet they barely lost.
They keep it up they are going to be saying that to each other in the off-season. They are not looking great so far in this series. Bulls also lost a 20 point scorer themselves for most of this game so its not like they were at full strength either.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2015, 12:45:10 AM
Yeah Houston is looking really bad in this series. They barely came back to win the last game. I'm happy for the clips.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 09, 2015, 12:46:25 AM
that was one of the worst games I've seen Lebron play
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Your Stalker on May 09, 2015, 12:51:47 AM
Austin Rivers is playing for that max contract.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Your Stalker on May 09, 2015, 12:56:15 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on May 09, 2015, 12:38:32 AM
Clippers taking it to the Rockets right now, goddamn  :whew

As a Lakers fan do you hate the Clippers or Dwight Howard more?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: eleuin on May 09, 2015, 02:05:36 AM
rose's face after that shot  :lol

doc really salvaged austin's career
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 09, 2015, 12:56:49 PM
nicca I was drunk and wanted to feel something
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 09, 2015, 07:50:06 PM
great shot by pierce, good for the Wiz
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Mandark on May 09, 2015, 07:59:44 PM
Broussard: "Did you call bank?"

Pierce: *pause* "I called game!"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 09, 2015, 08:16:35 PM
Paul Pierce is a national treasure.  Love how he just walked away while Broussard was trying to ask him another question  :lol

Seems like the Eastern Conference Bank is still open on weekends
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 09, 2015, 08:28:34 PM
https://vine.co/v/emnFnUwQ6uu
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2015, 08:53:13 PM
Potential for a lot of upsets this round. The warriors better get it together because it ain't clicking right now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2015, 09:09:43 PM
Memphis making the warriors look ugly atm.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2015, 09:18:09 PM
lol. Crowd chanting first team defense after a tony allen play. You have to love that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2015, 09:20:41 PM
Steph is just flinging the ball away like crazy. 4 turnovers in the first half.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Your Stalker on May 09, 2015, 09:24:29 PM
The Grizz are giving me false hope. I just know it. (http://i.imgur.com/yW9ioEp.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Beezy on May 09, 2015, 09:49:15 PM
Yes. But it won't come to that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2015, 12:24:25 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2015, 04:55:38 PM
Nobody is going to beat the Warriors, I'm realizing now for real.

 :ufup
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 10, 2015, 11:44:01 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2015, 12:24:25 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2015, 04:55:38 PM
Nobody is going to beat the Warriors, I'm realizing now for real.

 :ufup

Warriors would be better off running with Lee at the 5 honestly.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2015, 01:23:38 PM
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/05/inside-shocking-abrupt-divorce-bill-simmons-and-espn

Not any real info we didn't already know but whatever.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2015, 01:54:25 PM
Couple of big games today.

Speaking towards the Cavs I just think the offense has become too Lebron-centric. Not because he is being selfish or an awful person. And not because he isn't trying because he's trying very hard. He's nearly averaging a triple double despite the weak shooting (especially outside).

I just think the team has decided this is the best way to win and I think solely as a plan it isn't. It's so predictable. And its making other players not move and become spectators. You can do that sometimes but in general there has to be more ball movement and not Lebron hold the ball for 20 seconds on offense and then deciding to shoot or pass to someone to shoot at the last second. It's a game plan issue. There has to be a better plan of execution on offense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2015, 01:59:41 PM
Quote
Phil Jackson @PhilJackson11  ·  30m 30 minutes ago
NBA analysts give me some diagnostics on how 3pt oriented teams are faring this playoffs...seriously, how's it goink?

Quote
Phil Jackson @PhilJackson11  ·  16m 16 minutes ago
Why am getting cranky stuff? Seriously, bball, it's about penetration.
Those cranky the Heat/Spurs got it..Heat via s/roll, Spurs all ways.

Old people and twitter.  :goty2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 10, 2015, 03:00:32 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2015, 01:54:25 PM
Couple of big games today.

Speaking towards the Cavs I just think the offense has become too Lebron-centric. Not because he is being selfish or an awful person. And not because he isn't trying because he's trying very hard. He's nearly averaging a triple double despite the weak shooting (especially outside).

I just think the team has decided this is the best way to win and I think solely as a plan it isn't. It's so predictable. And its making other players not move and become spectators. You can do that sometimes but in general there has to be more ball movement and not Lebron hold the ball for 20 seconds on offense and then deciding to shoot or pass to someone to shoot at the last second. It's a game plan issue. There has to be a better plan of execution on offense.

I don't know what else they can do. You can't rely on James Jones and Delladova to win you games.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2015, 03:17:11 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on May 10, 2015, 03:00:32 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2015, 01:54:25 PM
Couple of big games today.

Speaking towards the Cavs I just think the offense has become too Lebron-centric. Not because he is being selfish or an awful person. And not because he isn't trying because he's trying very hard. He's nearly averaging a triple double despite the weak shooting (especially outside).

I just think the team has decided this is the best way to win and I think solely as a plan it isn't. It's so predictable. And its making other players not move and become spectators. You can do that sometimes but in general there has to be more ball movement and not Lebron hold the ball for 20 seconds on offense and then deciding to shoot or pass to someone to shoot at the last second. It's a game plan issue. There has to be a better plan of execution on offense.

I don't know what else they can do. You can't rely on James Jones and Delladova to win you games.


Well its probably too late to install the fundamentals that should have been evolving over the course of a season, but the current plan isn't working either.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: El Babua on May 10, 2015, 06:08:27 PM
Walrus, post if ur OK.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 10, 2015, 06:09:25 PM
WALRUS SOB UNCONTROLLABLY IF YER OK
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 10, 2015, 06:22:30 PM
Lebron scored 25 on 10 of 30 shooting. He's pretty much one rape accusation away from having his playstyle labeled "Kobe-esque"

:heh

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Just kidding, Bron had 8 assists, Kobe don't play that shit
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2015, 07:36:36 PM
Crazy game. I was away from home so couldn't really post. The Cavs played so bad and yet still found a way to win despite themselves and their awful offense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2015, 08:26:03 PM
Blatt did a lot of stupid stuff down the stretch
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: T234 on May 10, 2015, 08:31:22 PM
No lie, walrus probably sobbing in the middle of his wanking session in the dark.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: HiResDes on May 10, 2015, 10:09:19 PM
Ban the Eastern Conference besides the Wizards...They're the only team with real heart on that side.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: HiResDes on May 10, 2015, 10:18:43 PM
Quote from: Your Stalker on May 09, 2015, 09:24:29 PM
The Grizz are giving me false hope. I just know it. (http://i.imgur.com/yW9ioEp.png)
If Conley can stay healthy I really think they have a good chance.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 10, 2015, 11:14:35 PM
Clippers.  :D

I'd dig a Cavs/Clippers finals.  No bench between the two  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 10, 2015, 11:15:32 PM
Are the Clippers actually really good... or are the Rockets just REALLY, REALLY BAD?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 10, 2015, 11:18:50 PM
Dwight Howard, yall.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 10, 2015, 11:44:21 PM
I wanna see the Wiz and Memphis. Just for the ratings lols.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: benjipwns on May 11, 2015, 06:57:05 AM
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"It's huge," James said when asked about the impact of Blatt's timeout request being missed by the officials. "Obviously, we all know we didn't have any timeouts at that time and we call one, we get a T. So, that's why we're a unit. That's why we're a team. And players make mistakes, coaches make mistakes and we have to be able to cover for one another. And T-Lue did that by covering for Blatt and I just try to cover for my guys on the floor. That's why we're a unit."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 11, 2015, 09:42:18 PM
Pierce had a good look at that 3 but couldn't hit. Now time for the real game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 11, 2015, 10:12:05 PM
Grizz are fucking fun
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Your Stalker on May 11, 2015, 11:00:03 PM
i know it aint over till it's over but(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/francis.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 11, 2015, 11:04:43 PM
Warriors look right tonight. Grizz seemingly no chance for this one.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2015, 01:31:56 PM
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The New Orleans Pelicans have fired head coach Monty Williams after five seasons.

The Pelicans went 45-37 this season to earn the final playoff spot in the Western Conference. They were swept by the Golden State Warriors in the first round.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 12, 2015, 01:33:38 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2015, 01:31:56 PM
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The New Orleans Pelicans have fired head coach Monty Williams after five seasons.

The Pelicans went 45-37 this season to earn the final playoff spot in the Western Conference. They were swept by the Golden State Warriors in the first round.

That's kinda shocking. Seems like he had the team buying in, to me. Hmmmm.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2015, 01:46:49 PM
Time to bring in a white coach.

:jawalrus
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 12, 2015, 01:47:40 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2015, 01:46:49 PM
Time to bring in a white coach.

:jawalrus

Thad Motta future breh

:beli
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Mandark on May 12, 2015, 03:51:53 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 12, 2015, 01:33:38 PM
That's kinda shocking. Seems like he had the team buying in, to me. Hmmmm.

Not surprising to me. There had been a lot of criticism of the way the Pelicans ran their offense (they were near the bottom in passing and transition scoring).

Also, teams seem more comfortable these days firing coaches after good seasons.  The idea is some coaches may be good at developing young players and creating a professional culture, but might not be able to take the team to the next level.  The Grizzlies and the Warriors have had good results after doing this, the Kings not so much, and the Thunder should arguably have moved on from Brooks a couple years ago.  I'd throw Randy Wittman in there but this postseason has been so weird.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2015, 04:20:43 PM
I legit think it came down to that one game they lost to the Warriors. It sort of had the season go from being a fairytale to being one of failure narrative wise.

Not saying that's necessarily fair but it is what it is.

 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Mandark on May 12, 2015, 04:42:01 PM
Likewise, that one AD buzzer-beater against the Thunder meant they were a "playoff team" rather than a "lottery team."

You hope that actual NBA front offices don't make important decisions using results-based hot take logic, but...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2015, 07:07:25 PM
Cavs start off standing around like statues on defense.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2015, 07:12:36 PM
Derrick Rose looking good.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2015, 07:28:36 PM
Nice little 3 point run by the Cavs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2015, 07:36:35 PM
Lebron punishing them at the moment.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2015, 07:57:01 PM
I like that Lebron isn't bringing up the ball everytime up court. It's basically allowing them to get into their offense better.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2015, 08:06:50 PM
Notes

Great first half for Lebron
Better Cavs offense
Perkins is still shit.
Bulls really miss Gasol (obviously)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2015, 08:11:58 PM
Nice to see Bosh at the half time show.

Honestly I think I prefer this cast to the regulars.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2015, 09:00:43 PM
I was expecting JR to do something stupid and get himself ejected for more games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2015, 09:02:54 PM
Dellavedova

 :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Yulwei on May 12, 2015, 09:10:49 PM
 :lol they really should have kicked Dellavedova out as well. that leg lock was bullshit
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2015, 09:20:38 PM
Annoying to watch the Cavs get three happy instead of just playing ball when they have a lead.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2015, 09:32:22 PM
Cavaliers doing everything to give this game away. Awful play and awful calls from blatt.

 :yuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2015, 09:39:03 PM
Great game from Lebron and the Cavs except for their shit play to start the game and for most of the 4th quarter. Game should never have been that close. Should have been like a 20 point win.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 12, 2015, 09:39:31 PM
If the Cavs somehow manage to win (I think GS beats them, but who knows) Glen Shinobi's tears are going to be so deliciously epic.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2015, 09:54:48 PM
If the Cavs got there, I think they would stand a chance against the Clippers or Grizzlies but not the Warriors. So they should be heavily rooting for an upset out west.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 13, 2015, 12:02:47 PM
Lebron with that GOAT level game. He can't keep that up for two more series. Somebody else HAS to step up and be consistent.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 13, 2015, 12:03:10 PM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on May 12, 2015, 09:39:31 PM
If the Cavs somehow manage to win (I think GS beats them, but who knows) Glen Shinobi's tears are going to be so deliciously epic.

I predict he leaves the board for no less than 2 weeks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2015, 01:12:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMc3_tnct0g
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: HiResDes on May 13, 2015, 01:20:08 PM
Bulls lost the series by giving up Game 4. Mike Dunleavy's old ass was the best scorer on their squad for sections of the game, and that's just sad.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2015, 01:51:06 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 13, 2015, 12:03:10 PM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on May 12, 2015, 09:39:31 PM
If the Cavs somehow manage to win (I think GS beats them, but who knows) Glen Shinobi's tears are going to be so deliciously epic.

I predict he leaves the board for no less than 2 weeks.

Why should he post? He's running wild at NBA stadiums.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8NhiQeJbWU
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 13, 2015, 08:49:52 PM
Otto Porter looks like icejjfish
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: HiResDes on May 13, 2015, 11:30:18 PM
I kind of feel salty for the Wizards, The Hawks don't even deserve to advance the way they're playing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 13, 2015, 11:37:08 PM
As a Cavs fan, I have too many bad memories of Paul Pierce gutting our team. I'd rather see the Hawks win.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2015, 12:35:14 AM
Warriors back to being the Warriors.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Your Stalker on May 14, 2015, 12:55:05 AM
mj fucking lol

(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/mjcry1.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2015, 08:10:55 PM
Looks like Gasol is playing tonight. That's big for the bulls.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2015, 08:18:46 PM
Stopping taking those jumpers Lebron. Your long outside shot is crap.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Your Stalker on May 14, 2015, 08:37:10 PM
 :sabu
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2015, 09:15:27 PM
You couldn't ask for a better half than that. Let's see if they play the 2nd half with composure.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 14, 2015, 09:22:16 PM
Walrus doomed the Bulls

The Konex curse finally arrives on the Bore  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2015, 09:48:28 PM
Bulls just collapsing.

I really am liking Dellavedova in his role.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Yulwei on May 14, 2015, 10:01:21 PM
RIP in peace bulls
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2015, 10:03:06 PM
Dellavedova

 :lawd

This is pretty crushing for the Bulls. This is a team they were beating and imo isn't as good as those Miami teams. So this was a perfect opportunity for them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Yulwei on May 14, 2015, 10:04:35 PM
yea he's been shitting this game. good stuff
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 14, 2015, 10:24:26 PM
Bulls had their season ended by Delladova, JR Smith and Tristan Thompson. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Your Stalker on May 15, 2015, 01:09:03 AM
these clippers need to end these fools tonight (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/francis.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2015, 01:09:26 AM
Clips had this one. Let's see if they can take it back.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2015, 01:15:24 AM
Clippers

 :goty2

Looks like its going 7.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2015, 01:19:08 AM
Clippers outscored 33-10 in the 4th quarter. Without James Harden.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 15, 2015, 01:19:15 AM
wow :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 15, 2015, 01:22:36 AM
Clippers blew their wad on the Spurs :dead

they're gonna lose this fucking serious aren't they
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: eleuin on May 15, 2015, 01:24:38 AM
Rely on Austin rivers to win you the series brehs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2015, 01:24:42 AM
Still rooting for clips in game 7 but hopefully this one doesn't shatter them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The night the lights went out in LA)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2015, 01:46:58 AM
Josh just justified his entire season. And Corey Brewer was the dude I wanted the Cavs to get really bad.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The night the lights went out in LA)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 15, 2015, 06:01:19 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on May 15, 2015, 01:38:20 AM
This is the worst basketball night in quite some time.

:umad
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The night the lights went out in LA)
Post by: Brehvolution on May 15, 2015, 10:02:53 AM
Bulls embarrassed at home to end the season. (http://i.imgur.com/5NBGCLA.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The night the lights went out in LA)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 15, 2015, 12:34:00 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on May 15, 2015, 12:32:34 PM
Bulls are complete frauds, and their offense is a joke. Shit ball movement. Tons of long 2 point shots taken literally inches inside the 3 point line. Rose driving the lane against 3 guys and putting up a finger roll shot from 15 feet out. Contested Jimmy Butler shots for days. It's like if you took TWO Kobes, nerfed them both, and put them in an offense that has no set plays.

Translation. All these L's are making my underwear heavy.

Lebron's better than Kobe bro, always has been. It's time you sit down and ponder how to deal with it.

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Playing like a four-time MVP: LeBron averaged 40.8 minutes, 26.2 points, 11.0 rebounds, 8.8 assists, 1.7 blocks and 1.7 steals in the series.

:lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The night the lights went out in LA)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 15, 2015, 12:43:25 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on May 15, 2015, 12:41:32 PM
Honestly if you're Chicago's GM, you have to fire Thibs. His complete failure to set up an NBA offense is inexcusable. Not saying everyone has to be San Antonio, but I've seen high school teams run better sets.

You salty as fuuuccckkkkk breh

(http://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/assets/4779930/Reaction_GIF_-_Kermit.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The night the lights went out in LA)
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 15, 2015, 12:44:07 PM
It's hard to tell if the Bulls offensive woes are from the coach or from the talent.  I'd be hesitant to blow it up, but you have to fire that coach. They were down by 13 points for most of that game last night and it felt like they were down by 30 because of how slow the offense is.




Title: Re: The NBA thread (The night the lights went out in LA)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 15, 2015, 12:46:25 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on May 15, 2015, 12:44:07 PM
It's hard to tell if the Bulls offensive woes are from the coach or from the talent.  I'd be hesitant to blow it up, but you have to fire that coach.

To be honest if I were the bulls GM I'd do the following:

Trade Taj Gibson for a good second option point guard. To have a healthy alternative to Rose and it's been clear all season Gibson wants out.  (although he may be a free agent)

Start making plans to replace Noah. He's about done.

Other than that, their talent is fine.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The night the lights went out in LA)
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 15, 2015, 01:19:57 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on May 15, 2015, 01:05:15 PM
My Hawks will end this Cavs run.

(http://rs1096.pbsrc.com/albums/g322/Sugarsandrainbows/GIFs/mj-laughing.gif~c200)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The night the lights went out in LA)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 15, 2015, 01:57:38 PM
So what happens to the Bulls now? Do they move on from Rose and rebuild?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The night the lights went out in LA)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 15, 2015, 02:03:35 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on May 15, 2015, 01:05:15 PM
My Hawks will end this Cavs run.

 :iface
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Your Stalker on May 15, 2015, 09:35:33 PM
the motherfucking truth
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2015, 09:36:18 PM
God damn
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Your Stalker on May 15, 2015, 09:37:07 PM
it didn't count :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2015, 09:37:27 PM
Damn. What a way to lose it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 15, 2015, 09:43:41 PM
wow. I got home from the store, turned on the game and saw that last shot. Sucks it didn't count.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: benjipwns on May 15, 2015, 11:13:24 PM
Guess Simmons is done immediately instead of in September:
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There will be no farewell columns, podcasts or television appearances for Bill Simmons on ESPN.

SI has learned that ESPN and Simmons have worked out an agreement that officially ends his tenure as a front-facing employee for ESPN. Simmons sent an email to Grantland staffers this week informing them that he would no longer be working for the site he founded in 2011. Simmons will also no longer do podcasts or appear on television for ESPN.

Also:
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ESPN will still own intellectual properties like Grantland and the wildly popular podcast, the B.S. Report. One executive was even heard starting to plan who else might host the B.S. Report.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2015, 11:42:28 PM
Well it was cute and all thinking that somebody would beat the Warriors for a little bit but its back to reality and them easily winning the title this year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: benjipwns on May 15, 2015, 11:50:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gWU8XuI1rk

lol at the crowd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 16, 2015, 12:42:12 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2015, 01:59:41 PM
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Phil Jackson @PhilJackson11  ·  30m 30 minutes ago
NBA analysts give me some diagnostics on how 3pt oriented teams are faring this playoffs...seriously, how's it goink?

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Phil Jackson @PhilJackson11  ·  16m 16 minutes ago
Why am getting cranky stuff? Seriously, bball, it's about penetration.
Those cranky the Heat/Spurs got it..Heat via s/roll, Spurs all ways.

Old people and twitter.  :goty2

Steph made more three's than the entire Memphis roster during the series.

Steph Curry - 26............Memphis Team - 25


1. Rockets
2. Warriors
3. Clippers
4. Cavs
5. Hawks

The list of the top five teams in 3 pointers made.

How's it goink indeed.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: benjipwns on May 16, 2015, 01:08:44 AM
At least Phil offered up an alternative theory (and one that didn't involve the triangle) instead of Byron Scott's strange one from the start of the season. Especially when his role (and Cooper's) on the Lakers was partly as a three corner threat. He was 6th in the league in attempts on the repeat team. Four times was top ten in % including leading the league. Took over 2000 threes despite playing mostly in the 1980s. :lol

http://sports.espn.go.com/blog/houston-rockets/post/_/id/795/mchales-three-big-decisions-fueled-rockets-stunning-comeback
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 16, 2015, 01:30:45 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 16, 2015, 01:08:44 AM
At least Phil offered up an alternative theory (and one that didn't involve the triangle) instead of Byron Scott's strange one from the start of the season. Especially when his role (and Cooper's) on the Lakers was partly as a three corner threat. He was 6th in the league in attempts on the repeat team. Four times was top ten in % including leading the league. Took over 2000 threes despite playing mostly in the 1980s. :lol

http://sports.espn.go.com/blog/houston-rockets/post/_/id/795/mchales-three-big-decisions-fueled-rockets-stunning-comeback

What's frustrating about people like Phil or Scott is that while people give them respect and understand they have deep insight into the game they played and coached, they don't give the same level of respect to other people. Their argument is a big straw man. Like anybody who is pro analytics is just saying yeah, every dumb ass shot you take should be a three. And no other shot is worthwhile. Yes driving and kicking is part of it. Yes all kinds of traditional basketball strategies matter.

More than anything sports is about copying what is working. And what is working right now is pace and space. The way to change that if there is a viable way to change it, is to play some other style and have success with it. In other words win like the grizzlies to prove your point instead of turning in awful seasons and then carping at people who who look at your team and say you aren't doing what the most successful teams are currently doing. Because those people are right. Phil was the one who said his team was playoff capable. Worry about your team and get that house in order before you start trolling on twitter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time!)
Post by: benjipwns on May 16, 2015, 01:47:32 AM
The funny thing is that the three stuff is only one half of the analytics as that shot chart of the Rockets from a few months back showed. It's threes and inside. Drives by players like Harden who get to the line and make them are beloved by analytics.

The main criticism from the stats guys was that teams were relying on too many guys like Ron Mercer and Jalen Rose who could take a step back and be far more useful than dominating the ball and then jacking a 21 footer.

Amusingly as well is that the reason Tex and Phil implemented the Triangle/triple-post originally was that it automatically creates spacing (in one of his books, Phil notes that ideally in his version all players in the triangle are to be around 15 feet apart) and encourages passing with the triangle reforming with different or the same players as the ball moves, and once Jordan bought in it worked even better since he sucked defenses towards him.

I think Riley noted that he realized the "no-positions" thing the Heat were getting hype for "creating" he would run with the Lakers in those Coop-Scott-Worthy-Magic-Green lineups. And the Celtics basically did the same thing with Bird at PF often. So he wasn't too upset by it. (And his first good Heat teams did let fly from three. 1st and 2nd in 1997 and 1998.)

Speaking of Simmons this is from one of my favorite of his old mailbags in 2009:
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Q: Why won't you understand shooting percentages? 33 percent from beyond the arc is the equivalent of 50 percent from within. If a guy shot 50 percent from the field, would you be killing him for shooting? Of course not. You obviously realize how stupid that would be. Yet that's what you've been doing -- FOR YEARS -- with your mind-boggling argument against 3-point shooting unless the guy can hit 75 percent of his 3s. Just think about it for a couple of seconds. Please ... we are begging you.
-- Nick, New York

SG: Dozens of readers e-mailed me Nick's same stupid argument in a similarly condescending way, which is what makes the following so much fun: I'm not stupid, YOU'RE STUPID. That 33/50 logic only makes sense in a professional basketball league in which they aren't calling fouls and you aren't allowed to pass to a teammate ... which, as far as I can tell, doesn't currently exist.

Let's say that one player attempts 12 3-pointers and makes four (for 12 points). His teammate attempts 12 2-pointers and makes six, but during that time -- because he's not standing 25 feet away jacking up 3s like an idiot -- he also draws three fouls on his defender, creates two assists for teammates, makes three of four free throws, turns the ball over once, and misses one layup that gets tapped in by a teammate (we'll call it 19 points). You're telling me those two scenarios are equal? If I'm playing LeBron (a 31 percent 3-point shooter), ideally, I want him jacking up contested 3s because that means (A) he's not getting to the line, (B) he's not getting my guys in foul trouble, and (C) he's not potentially creating shots for someone else. I can't defend LeBron when he's going to the basket, especially if he's getting calls. But you know what? If he's happy shooting 3s from 25 feet with a hand in his face, then I'm delighted. This is great. I want him to do that. And if he's doing something that the other team WANTS him to do, then he's doing the wrong thing. I'm fine with shooting 24-footers over 20-footers, but getting into the paint will always be more valuable than jacking up 3s. It's just a fact.

(Note to Nick and everyone else who mailed me the 33/50 argument: I'm doing the Dikembe finger wave at you. Don't come into my house.)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (how's it goink?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 17, 2015, 04:12:22 PM
Rockets are looking good at the moment.  :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (how's it goink?)
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 17, 2015, 04:13:19 PM
I'm not sure the Rockets win one game against GS (as long as GS, you know, shows up and is awake for game time) which is really a shame, because a Rockets-Cavs finals would probably cause Walrus to murder himself
Title: Re: The NBA thread (how's it goink?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 17, 2015, 05:01:56 PM
Clippers gaining ground
Title: Re: The NBA thread (how's it goink?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 17, 2015, 05:26:07 PM
Clippers falling apart.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (how's it goink?)
Post by: Himu on May 17, 2015, 06:03:41 PM
Hoping for a Rockets and Cavs Final. Not because I give a shit (I do, but the Rockets have not made it this far in twenty years, so even if they don't make it to Finals, I'm good) but because it will make Lakers fans self destruct and commit mass ritualized self harm. Now, I'm not condoning self harm (I totally am) but Lakers fans make me reach a point I never thought I'd ever reach. The amount of teams every Lakers fan on my Facebook - and including Shinobi on this forum - who hold grudges against the entire NBA makes me chuckle. I hope the result of this game makes you cry, Lakers fans.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (how's it goink?)
Post by: Himu on May 17, 2015, 06:12:13 PM
Since when do you stan ATL
Title: Re: The NBA thread (how's it goink?)
Post by: Himu on May 17, 2015, 06:16:55 PM
I caught your post before that edit

You think you can make me cause self harm? Bring it. :umad
Title: Re: The NBA thread (how's it goink?)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 17, 2015, 06:19:01 PM
Cavs Houston would literally kill Walrus. I hope we don't see that yall  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (how's it goink?)
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 17, 2015, 06:20:00 PM
I hope we do, just so he shuts the fuck up. His posts are boring and predictable, and could be generated by a bot at this point.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (how's it goink?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 17, 2015, 06:50:12 PM
I couldn't take the fuckball that Cavs/Rockets would yield.  Hoping for Cavs Warriors
Title: Re: The NBA thread (how's it goink?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 17, 2015, 08:21:17 PM
Cavs Rockets would be a lot of fucking around and iso ball. Would be a little hard to watch.

Hawks/warriors would be the most fun basketball series to watch.

My brain says Cavs/Warriors and then the Warriors in a dusting.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (how's it goink?)
Post by: naff on May 17, 2015, 08:56:11 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 17, 2015, 06:19:01 PM
Cavs Houston would literally kill Walrus. I hope we don't see that yall  :lol
n

Pretty comfortable that GSW will whoop Houston, but imagining glens breakdown would be a serviceable alternative in this scenario.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (how's it goink?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 17, 2015, 09:34:44 PM
I think Cavs take Warriors to at least 6
Title: Re: The NBA thread (how's it goink?)
Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2015, 08:04:18 AM
(https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/paine-lebron-0511.png?w=610&h=745)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (how's it goink?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 18, 2015, 10:00:27 AM
"not clutch"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (how's it goink?)
Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2015, 12:13:39 PM
https://twitter.com/dancingcentral/status/599039064986275840
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 18, 2015, 04:16:19 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on May 18, 2015, 03:40:43 PM
So Kobe's only go-ahead shot in 14 years was the 3 pointer in Game 2 against Detroit in 04? Weird, I thought he had more than that.

You and Skip Bayless both... what good company to keep, on any issue.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 18, 2015, 05:17:06 PM
and in Walrus' defense, Kobe has had a ton of clutch shots that weren't in the last five seconds.  If we saw stats regarding his 4th quarter performances as a whole...or maybe just the last five minutes, I bet it'd be a different story.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 19, 2015, 10:24:36 AM
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/2015-nba-conference-finals-preview/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 19, 2015, 03:36:40 PM
Still tickets available for the Hawks/Cavs game in Atlanta.

http://www.ticketmaster.com/atlanta-hawks-vs-cleveland-cavaliers-atlanta-georgia-05-20-2015/event/0E004E58B1259786?artistid=805898&majorcatid=10004&minorcatid=7&tm_link=artist_msg-0_0E004E58B1259786

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 19, 2015, 05:18:11 PM
Damn.  I'd go if I didn't have to work on Thursday
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 19, 2015, 08:10:06 PM
Forgot about the lottery
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Beezy on May 19, 2015, 08:33:16 PM
I'm ready for the Knicks to break my heart again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 19, 2015, 08:50:46 PM
 :stahp :stahp :stahp
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Beezy on May 19, 2015, 08:51:37 PM
 :tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 19, 2015, 10:59:18 PM
It's so hard to watch these Warriors and not think everything is just a foregone conclusion. They are just so freaking good. I think the Rockets are playing about as well as they can. And the warriors still feel like they are in complete control.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 19, 2015, 11:15:09 PM
Harden balling at the moment.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 19, 2015, 11:47:02 PM
Rockets played well. Still didn't have a chance. If the Warriors actually stay focused it could be a sweep.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: pilonv1 on May 20, 2015, 04:18:07 AM
Quote from: Beezy on May 19, 2015, 08:33:16 PM
I'm ready for the Knicks to break my heart again.

(http://i.imgur.com/v5WB5L1.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 20, 2015, 07:25:36 AM
So many choices for the T Wolves

Do you just go Okafor and Have an Okafor, Wiggins, Rubio future?

Do you go Russell and let Rubio walk?

Do they get towns, let Rubio walk, and try to get Rondo to come up there?

Good lord man this team is gonna be a beast in a few years.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 20, 2015, 10:44:39 AM
Take Okafor, let Rubio walk, try to sign Westbrook

idk maybe
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: benjipwns on May 20, 2015, 10:51:19 AM
Not to support Bleacher Report but this is from something called "Ranking the Best NBA Free Agency Signings in Minnesota Timberwolves History"
1. Joe Smith
2. Troy Hudson
3. Trenton Hassell
4. Fred Hoiberg
5. Terry Porter

Westbrook and Rondo are uh...a slightly different tier of free agent.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Beezy on May 20, 2015, 12:03:25 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 20, 2015, 10:51:19 AM
Westbrook and Rondo are uh...a slightly different tier of free agent.
He meant PG D'Angelo Russell who is a top 5 pick in this draft, not Russell Westbrook.

Honestly, why would anyone want Rondo anymore?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 20, 2015, 02:38:33 PM
Cavs in 6

Warriors in 5

----------

Warriors over Cavs in 6

:snoop
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 20, 2015, 02:39:09 PM
Quote from: Beezy on May 20, 2015, 12:03:25 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 20, 2015, 10:51:19 AM
Westbrook and Rondo are uh...a slightly different tier of free agent.
He meant PG D'Angelo Russell who is a top 5 pick in this draft, not Russell Westbrook.

Honestly, why would anyone want Rondo anymore?

Rondos antics in the playoffs these year are going to end up costing him millions of dollars.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2015, 02:50:33 PM
Knicks aren't in a bad position. Assuming Okafor and Towns go first they'd be able to get Russell or Mudiay.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 20, 2015, 03:06:05 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2015, 02:50:33 PM
Knicks aren't in a bad position. Assuming Okafor and Towns go first they'd be able to get Russell or Mudiay.

I like Russell and think he has potential to be the next big thing at PG. This pretty much ensures the knicks will take Mudiay.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Beezy on May 20, 2015, 04:13:33 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 20, 2015, 03:06:05 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2015, 02:50:33 PM
Knicks aren't in a bad position. Assuming Okafor and Towns go first they'd be able to get Russell or Mudiay.

I like Russell and think he has potential to be the next big thing at PG. This pretty much ensures the knicks will take Mudiay.
76ers traded away MCW and don't have a healthy standout PG. They'll most likely take Russell.

I hope Knicks keep the pick. Our roster is complete shit right now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Beezy on May 20, 2015, 05:08:46 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on May 20, 2015, 04:39:22 PM
The fact that we're carrying the weight of basketball's long term integrity doesn't help.
:rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Steve Contra on May 20, 2015, 05:13:26 PM
The NBA has to be shitting themselves at the prospect of a Warriors-Atlanta final.  Not as bad as Memphis-Atlanta, but I'd be paying off some ref's gambling debts real soon if I were them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 20, 2015, 05:32:48 PM
I don't think they'd be super concerned with the Warriors...they're this year's "hot" team, much like how the Thunder came to be after their first good series against the Lakers.  Plus they have the MVP, they're able to bank on viewership on that alone.

But yeah, Atlanta would be rough.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 20, 2015, 05:41:00 PM
of course you do
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 20, 2015, 06:33:13 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on May 20, 2015, 04:39:22 PM
Kind of nervous for my Hawks tonight. We haven't advanced this far in a very long time. The fact that we're carrying the weight of basketball's long term integrity doesn't help. I hope our boys aren't feeling that pressure too much.

You ever read what you type? Lol you dumb
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2015, 09:30:57 PM
Close game. Teague is having his way and so is Lebron.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2015, 10:29:27 PM
First time I ever posted these two things together. Feels unnatural.


JR smith

 :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2015, 10:45:50 PM
The Walrus Curse.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2015, 10:47:21 PM
Looks like DeMarre Carroll seriously injured.  :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2015, 10:57:27 PM
Fucking actually run a play Lebron and the Cavs instead of just clock milking.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2015, 11:02:46 PM
FUCKING RUN A PLAY OTHER THAN ISO!!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2015, 11:06:31 PM
Thank god for Lebron dunk there. Jesus they almost gave that away.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 20, 2015, 11:11:43 PM
Jr Smith has made himself a lot of money in a short amount of time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2015, 11:14:08 PM
Despite the rest Kyrie still was not good tonight along with some awful defense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2015, 11:16:22 PM
Quote
Synergy Sports Tech
‏@SynergySST
JR Smith is making 29% of his open spot up jump shots in the playoffs, but 48% of his contested spot up jumpers.

Fucking JR. He does nothing normal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: HiResDes on May 20, 2015, 11:17:07 PM
The East is so ass. How are the Memphis Grizzlies a Western Conference team anyway, never understood that...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 21, 2015, 08:31:19 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on May 21, 2015, 12:07:34 AM
That LeBron dunk that sealed the game, no one on the Hawks even tried to defend it. They barely seemed to be paying attention. Straight trash.

Being a fan of this garbage franchise has always been tough, but it's worse when they get your hopes up for the first time in years.

I'm a classic man,

It's hard to be mean when I look so clean,

:umad
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 21, 2015, 09:02:13 AM
that LeBron dunk gave me flashbacks of him doing that to the Pistons like a decade ago lol in the conference finals.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Beezy on May 21, 2015, 09:13:48 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 21, 2015, 08:31:19 AM
I'm a classic man,

It's hard to be mean when I look so clean,

:umad
Never thought I'd see this song quoted here. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 21, 2015, 11:45:43 AM
Quote from: Beezy on May 21, 2015, 09:13:48 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 21, 2015, 08:31:19 AM
I'm a classic man,

It's hard to be mean when I look so clean,

:umad
Never thought I'd see this song quoted here. :lol

You hold the future of the kid your daughter's gargling....
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2015, 11:50:43 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CFii3HTUUAEpKmT.jpg:large)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 21, 2015, 11:53:26 AM
Khris Middleton got fucked over. Not saying he should have made 3rd team all -nba but one fucking vote? Come on.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 21, 2015, 12:53:02 PM
who the fuck voted for noah this year  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Mandark on May 21, 2015, 04:18:32 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 21, 2015, 11:53:26 AM
Khris Middleton got fucked over. Not saying he should have made 3rd team all -nba but one fucking vote? Come on.

IIRC voters get to fill out their three teams and don't get to vote for any runner-up places beyond what's awarded (unlike the MVP vote for instance).  Middleton had a good year, but realistically who could you put him ahead of? 

And forget Noah, who voted for Melo???
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: benjipwns on May 21, 2015, 06:21:01 PM
(http://a1.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/photo/2015/0521/espnw_a_thomas01jr_B_1296x729.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2015, 06:35:26 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2015, 10:57:27 PM
Fucking actually run a play Lebron and the Cavs instead of just clock milking.

Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2015, 11:02:46 PM
FUCKING RUN A PLAY OTHER THAN ISO!!

http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-cavaliers/post/_/id/931/lebron-i-played-too-much-isolation-ball

Good to see he realizes it but what I'll never understand is why in the heat of a moment isn't the coach adjusting this since that is his very job.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2015, 11:20:40 PM
Same as first game. Rockets played well (except Josh smith). Harden played well.

At no actual point did it feel like the Rockets actually were going to win.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2015, 11:27:14 PM
Probably one of the all time great single season teams are these warriors. They are just perfect. Only the Spurs might have given them some problems. What a series that would have been.

It was a little funny to hear Jackson say earlier in the game that the second unit for the Warriors had no weaknesses.  :P
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2015, 11:34:46 PM
Nice effort by Rockets to keep it close. Harden is just insane tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2015, 11:37:43 PM
 :gurl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2015, 11:39:59 PM
Harden was amazing. 38 points. 9 Assists.9 Rebs. Good fg percentage.

I can't believe they didn't call a timeout there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 21, 2015, 11:42:43 PM
I feel really bad for Harden.  Such an amazing game and the way it ended...poor guy

Rockets need to come out firing and win both their home games for sure.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: benjipwns on May 22, 2015, 12:00:39 AM
Did Harden pass to get the triple double?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 22, 2015, 11:45:16 AM
Hey Walrus....you about to watch them whack ass hawks go down 0-2 to a team where the second best player currently is shooting 28% on uncontested shots.

You mad?

(http://i.imgur.com/nrhwkPK.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Steve Contra on May 22, 2015, 12:33:15 PM
That game, god damn :whew

Sucks for Harden to play a game like that and lose by a point
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 22, 2015, 12:38:57 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on May 22, 2015, 12:35:57 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 22, 2015, 11:45:16 AM
Hey Walrus....you about to watch them whack ass hawks go down 0-2 to a team where the second best player currently is shooting 28% on uncontested shots.

You mad?

(http://i.imgur.com/nrhwkPK.png)

They've been breaking my heart all my life. If anything I'm just resigned to their fate.

For the first time, you sound like an actual Hawks fan.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2015, 01:29:58 PM
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-best-nba-teams-of-all-time-according-to-elo/

Thought this might generate some conversation.

Generally not a fan of 538 sports stuff as I find it too much on the side of boring analytical versus interesting analytical but whatevs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 22, 2015, 02:38:06 PM
https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/601796155526270976

(http://i.imgur.com/GANNhGZ.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 22, 2015, 03:01:44 PM
goodnight sweet prince
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Brehvolution on May 22, 2015, 03:34:17 PM
Last season on the injured list.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: HiResDes on May 22, 2015, 06:35:07 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on May 22, 2015, 01:42:40 PM
Honestly, this feels like the weakest NBA in quite some time. Aside from the Warriors, I don't see a single team that wouldn't get taken out in 4 or 5 by any middleweight playoff team from the 90s, or also-ran 00s teams like the Nash Phoenix Suns. The 04 Pistons would 4-4-4 the Eastern Conference en route to the Finals.

A lot of the best players are aging out of elite status, and for whatever reason, recent draft classes have not produced the same caliber of elite players, aside from Anthony Davis.

I was just thinking that...I mean you know it's bad when a bunch of 35 year old players are still major impact players. The East especially is quite atrocious, but let's not also forget that many teams are so injury plagued.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2015, 10:07:07 PM
Cavs really impressive tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Your Stalker on May 22, 2015, 10:18:35 PM
ouch
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Yulwei on May 22, 2015, 10:32:21 PM
 :lol this blowout
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: HiResDes on May 22, 2015, 10:35:23 PM
I'm not watching, but is Kyrie out too, if so they just pack it up and go home now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2015, 10:36:36 PM
Kyrie is out. So are Horford and Korver due to in game injuries.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Cheddahz on May 22, 2015, 10:37:09 PM
Quote from: HiResDes on May 22, 2015, 10:35:23 PM
I'm not watching, but is Kyrie out too, if so they just pack it up and go home now.
He's out and the Cavs are still destroying the Hawks
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: HiResDes on May 22, 2015, 10:39:42 PM
Oh no Al Hortford is a bigger deal for them.  Cavs should probably sit Kyrie for the rest of the series then. He's gonna need fresh legs to guard any of the Warriors backcourt anyway.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2015, 10:51:27 PM
Now that it looks like the Cavs will clearly win the series, it's probably time to give them their props for the season. Very good season after a really shitty start. Really impressive performance in the playoffs considering this is supposed to be a big three team and it will honestly really only have 1 of those guys for the entire playoffs. It's a testament to Lebron. This team quality wise isn't much better than those old Cavs team with Lebron if you remove kyrie and love from the picture.

They are going to get dusted by the Warriors but good on them for at least getting there. Would have been interesting if Love had been able to play though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: HiResDes on May 22, 2015, 10:54:16 PM
I agree. It's nearly impossible to hate on Lebron's game when he went back to Cleveland and carried them back once again by himself. It's almost storybook, as their team is probably on par with the squad that got dusted by the Spurs in 2007.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2015, 10:55:57 PM
I tend to leave you alone because you are an idiot but since you want some fuck off little whining bitch. I can go.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2015, 10:57:14 PM
 :lawd :jawalrus :lawd :heh :fbm :patel :neogaf :goty2 :ussrcry :supergay
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2015, 10:57:48 PM
LET'S GO BITCH BOY!

I'M out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (U mad bro edition?)
Post by: Cheddahz on May 22, 2015, 11:00:19 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CFqGwArWEAIyirW.jpg:large)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (U mad bro edition?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 22, 2015, 11:09:36 PM
Id let JR lay the pipe
Title: Re: The NBA thread (U mad bro edition?)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 22, 2015, 11:14:46 PM
Bron bout to take the Cleveland Knicks to the finals.
:lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (U mad bro edition?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 23, 2015, 12:19:16 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12935885/jeff-van-gundy-being-considered-new-orleans-pelicans-head-coach-opening

I'm surprised more people didn't job ship for that thunder job but instead want this one. Maybe less immediate pressure here.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (U mad bro edition?)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 23, 2015, 01:45:04 AM
You know you smell us coming like taco when he hiccups.

:umad
Title: Re: The NBA thread (U mad bro edition?)
Post by: Beezy on May 23, 2015, 02:54:09 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 22, 2015, 11:14:46 PM
Bron bout to take the Cleveland Knicks to the finals.
:lawd
:gloomy
Title: Re: The NBA thread (U mad bro edition?)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 23, 2015, 02:52:57 PM
Can the Cavs beat the Warriors? Seems unlikely.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (U mad bro edition?)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 23, 2015, 02:55:13 PM
 :lol
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 23, 2015, 02:52:57 PM
Can the Cavs beat the Warriors? Seems unlikely.

A week ago I would have said no chance in hell.

Now, I dunno it depends on if we can let Kyrie sit for the rest of the series and heal up a bit.

I sure as hell wouldn't bet against these guys man.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (U mad bro edition?)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 23, 2015, 03:00:06 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on May 23, 2015, 02:57:40 PM
LeBron title runs always include a dude who can't miss from 3. JR Smith is doing that this year. I'm guessing this is probably a LeBron title run  :goty2

You know. That's a hell of a point.

I mean realistically take Lebron and curry off these teams and they still mop the floor with us. But the Lebron effect is larger than life and he has everybody buying in. We'll except one because if we get a title without Love he is going to be devalued.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (U mad bro edition?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 23, 2015, 04:10:37 PM
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Kyle Korver is OUT for the remainder of the playoffs with ankle injury.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (U mad bro edition?)
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 23, 2015, 04:14:29 PM
Korver has been pretty shitty this post season. Might be addition by subtraction.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (U mad bro edition?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 23, 2015, 04:24:14 PM
I don't know. Without the threat of outside shooting that offense tends to grind down.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (U mad bro edition?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 23, 2015, 10:09:40 PM
Houston not showing up tonight. Jason Terry killing them on defense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (U mad bro edition?)
Post by: eleuin on May 23, 2015, 11:50:48 PM
Looking like a sweep for the dubs

TYBG
Title: Re: The NBA thread (U mad bro edition?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2015, 12:38:54 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CFvnYZXUkAEiF64.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/v28PuIC.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (U mad bro edition?)
Post by: bluemax on May 24, 2015, 12:48:27 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on May 23, 2015, 04:14:29 PM
Korver has been pretty shitty this post season. Might be addition by subtraction.

The Hawks are +60 with Korver on the floor and -30 without him on the floor.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 24, 2015, 01:53:58 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on May 24, 2015, 01:04:28 AM
Steph Curry is the best player since Jordan.

Yeah except for Lebron, Prime KG, Prime Shaq, and Tim Duncan.

Time for you to pick a different sport, kiddo. Try fencing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: benjipwns on May 24, 2015, 01:59:59 AM
And here I thought Houston was the one Western team that could seriously match up with the Warriors odd-lineups. Though I suppose they did get close in the first two games.

Festus Ezeli making up for Harrison Barnes' shooting disaster. Feels like yesterday that Best-GAF was tanking for him and Shabazz.  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 24, 2015, 02:05:52 AM
Harrison Barnes tops out as a decent bench option on a contender.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: dkdk on May 24, 2015, 02:20:05 AM
cant wait to see the Warriors steamroll the Cavs in a few weeks. at this point im torn between the sweep and 5 games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: benjipwns on May 24, 2015, 02:24:23 AM
LeBron probably has at least one insane game in him where his shooters are hitting to prevent a sweep.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: benjipwns on May 24, 2015, 02:45:26 AM
Meanwhile on the coaching front:
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Scott Skiles has emerged as the strong frontrunner to become head coach of the Orlando Magic, league sources told Yahoo Sports.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 24, 2015, 03:02:31 AM
The Lil B curse strikes again.
:heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Beezy on May 24, 2015, 12:56:54 PM
Met Chauncey Billups last night. Asked him how long he thinks it'll take for the Knicks to be decent and he said in a few years as long as they get away from that garbage ass triangle. :dead

Also met James Worthy and got autographs from both.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 24, 2015, 01:32:12 PM
Can't wait for Walrus to sport a Warriors avatar
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2015, 02:35:06 PM
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Phil Jackson @PhilJackson11  ·  16m 16 minutes ago
3)the 3pt shot is not the be all end all of basketball. WNBA is taking their exhibition game to extremes-do not disvalue the 2pt shot.

Phil Jackson @PhilJackson11  ·  19m 19 minutes ago
2)we are glad for JR,Shump,Pablo,etc...players have comfort zones that they need to play their best...we want them to find that in NBA

Phil Jackson @PhilJackson11  ·  21m 21 minutes ago
Some corrected thoughts:1)like 3pt shooters, check it out, but to play for 3pt shot is an error. Penetration, first principal of offense.


 :umad
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: dkdk on May 24, 2015, 05:14:29 PM
    @TommyBeer: Updated:
    Dwight Howard is 58-of-145 (40%) on FT's this postseason.

    Steph Curry is 64-of-143 (45%) on three-pointers this postseason.


 :whoo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2015, 09:07:32 PM
Lebron 0-10

scored tied 24-24

 :mindblown
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Huff on May 24, 2015, 09:27:06 PM
Both conference finals are going to go 4-0. Stellar. Best series have already been played
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2015, 09:36:23 PM
Dellavedova

 :lawd

Dirtiest player in the game.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2015, 09:39:59 PM
Dellavedova's gonna do a rugby slide tackle at Curry's ankles next series.

To be fair If I was a hawks fan I would be supremely angry at him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 24, 2015, 10:33:56 PM
Horford should not have been ejected IMO. Dellavedova....smh @ this fuckboy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2015, 11:04:08 PM
Lebron was crap with his offensive scoring tonight. If he had just been halfway decent they would have put this one away.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2015, 11:11:13 PM
not a good final shot there
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 24, 2015, 11:13:09 PM
Can't excuse not getting back on defense after a no call foul. LeBron looked terrible for that, and if Atlanta had capitalized he would have looked even worse.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2015, 11:19:34 PM
I can even't joking diss JR and his offensive performance anymore. He's been pretty darn good since joining the Cavs. I kept waiting for JR to revert to being JR but other than that bonehead foul in the Celtics series, it hasn't happened.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2015, 11:23:55 PM
Bad offense from both sides. Nobody's moving on either team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2015, 11:33:01 PM
Not a pretty win but a hard fought one. Lebron was all over the place during the game but he still hit the 2 clutch shots to win it for them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 24, 2015, 11:42:56 PM
We can quibble over the dramatic narratives that will be created and the inevitable flu game comparisons but that was a gutsy LeBron performance.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 24, 2015, 11:45:02 PM
Ugly basketball. But you can blame injuries for more than half of that.


This Cavs team is so thin, it wouldn't surprise me if these toothless Hawks win 2 in a row.



Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2015, 11:45:41 PM
Yeah he gave a ton of effort. I mean the offense is insanely Lebron-centric but I think they think that's the way they have to play to win. Who know's . Maybe they are right. I just don't think its going to work against the Warriors being that predictable contrasted with how unpredictable they are. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 24, 2015, 11:56:41 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on May 24, 2015, 11:45:25 PM

The no-call on Teague's drive was almost as bad as putting Shumpert on the line. LeBron very clearly tapped his arm, pretty sure D-Wade used to get guys ejected for that kind of contact.

There were so many no-calls though. That one in the middle of the court where Lebron basically gets tripped was weird. It's either a charge or a block.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 25, 2015, 12:21:25 AM
Shaq makes it so hard to watch Inside the NBA. He's got such a thin skin. And he's so intent on letting everybody know what a great player he was. Calm down. That makes you so unlikable. Let other people credit you. People don't like it when you are the first to credit yourself.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 25, 2015, 12:30:29 AM
I was quite excited when I heard Shaq was joining the show; he seemed like such a perfect match, specifically for Charles. But nearly every time I watch the show I get turned off by his demeanor. Charles and Kenny have a great relationship in part because they give it as well as they take it. Whereas Shaq legit catches feelings and then goes for the jugular with unfunny disses that seem kind of personal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 25, 2015, 12:37:25 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 25, 2015, 12:30:29 AM
I was quite excited when I heard Shaq was joining the show; he seemed like such a perfect match, specifically for Charles. But nearly every time I watch the show I get turned off by his demeanor. Charles and Kenny have a great relationship in part because they give it as well as they take it. Whereas Shaq legit catches feelings and then goes for the jugular with unfunny disses that seem kind of personal.

He also has the embarrassing sense of humour of your bro friend who still thinks a fart joke is awesome-sauce.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 25, 2015, 12:46:25 AM
It's a bummer. Shaq is my favorite player of all time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on May 25, 2015, 01:34:52 AM
Is there a ref named Stern now? 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Beezy on May 25, 2015, 09:33:37 PM
Rockets with an extremely strong start. No lead feels too big for the Warriors to come back from though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 25, 2015, 09:35:33 PM
If the Rockets lose this game...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 25, 2015, 10:00:05 PM
Nasty fall but ultimately I think he will be all right. Clearly done for this game though. We'll see what the future unfolds.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 25, 2015, 10:36:42 PM
Dwight is still so painful to watch on offense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 25, 2015, 11:21:20 PM
Another monster game from Harden.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 25, 2015, 11:22:11 PM
<insert comment about Harden still being on Thunder>
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 26, 2015, 07:29:52 AM
Harden is overrated. He'll never win shit. This generation's Dominique Wilkins.


Glad Curry is okay, that looked like it could have been a lot worse than it was. He's very fortunate (and flexible) to be that small. A bigger guy like Lebron or Draymond Green would be in ICU.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 26, 2015, 09:30:04 AM
Lebron would be back on the floor; he's a robot
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 26, 2015, 02:45:12 PM
I want to thank Walrus for allowing bis fauwks to get swept so that based Kyrie can keep off his feet for an extra week.

:umad

PS: Lebron > Kobe.   Nobody does more with less.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 26, 2015, 08:45:27 PM
Dellavedova got em shook already.

 :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 26, 2015, 08:56:20 PM
I still can't believe sometimes that they still prefer James Jones over Marion. Jones is so bad on d.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 26, 2015, 09:21:14 PM
Hawks are just deflated
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: benjipwns on May 26, 2015, 09:22:04 PM
Quote
Jeff Zillgitt: Rockets C Dwight Howard will not be suspended for Game 5 vs. Warriors, NBA said. Flagrant one not updgraded to flagrant two.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 26, 2015, 09:22:56 PM
Hawks are done-zo. Not sure what you do with that team. Feel like any other year they wouldn't have even made the finals.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 26, 2015, 09:36:49 PM
This is the best the Cavs have looked post-Love injury.  Lord.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: benjipwns on May 26, 2015, 09:37:27 PM
It's really the same problem they've had going back to the Josh Smith-Joe Johnson days in that they don't have a consistent, reliable bench on both ends. Their starting five can be great (this one more so than that one), Horford is a really really great player, they've surrounded him with even better pieces now, but the bench is still pretty garbage. Schroder and Mike Scott and some others seemed to be changing that this year which is how they bumped up to 55-60 wins instead of the expected 50-55 wins but it's same problem dating back to Jamal Crawford's sixth man year. They don't have the depth which you need when you don't have a LeBron or either next-tier talent. In the playoffs, those guys don't sit, so you have to outplay the other four positions throughout the entire game. It's how the Pistons/recent Spurs have done it without an elite-level player. You can't drop off too far when you go to the bench. The Hawks do pretty hard.

They didn't have a great window because of Korver's age and how Carroll's going to get big bucks. They could reasonably get another shot at it or two. But Thabo and Kent Bazemore can't be their big signings. Especially if they're paying Milsap and Carroll $20+ million combined.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 26, 2015, 09:40:51 PM
Both will be gone most likely, as well
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 26, 2015, 10:06:30 PM
Hawks just weren't able to play the same ball and style they played during the regular season like the Spurs do. Maybe that was due to the quality of the defense or the lack of depth with a shortened bench. I think they will be fine long term. They have a good coach and I think they will continue to implement the right system, even if in the short term next year, they take a step back.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: benjipwns on May 26, 2015, 10:08:17 PM
Will be surprised if Phil Jackson doesn't comment on the Hawks three point shooting...

Quote
LeGarrette Blount
@LG_Blount

Smh can't the @ATLHawks can't hit water if they fell out of a boat right now
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 26, 2015, 10:15:24 PM
So the Cavs are gonna have to pay Lebron, Thompson, Kyrie, and Love big salaries...?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 26, 2015, 10:37:25 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 26, 2015, 09:36:49 PM
This is the best the Cavs have looked post-Love injury.  Lord.

This was probably their best game all season Love or no love.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 26, 2015, 11:08:17 PM
As long as Kyrie is healthy, the Cavs have a shot to win.


If they do win, you would have to say those mid-season trades were some of the most impactful ever? Not a big NBA historian, but I can't recall any off hand that have swung a teams fortunes so dramatically.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 26, 2015, 11:11:47 PM
History doesn't work that way. No one takes away the Rockets titles because MJ was gone and no one takes away Buffalo's four straight SB appearances because the AFC was garbage.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 26, 2015, 11:17:21 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on May 26, 2015, 11:08:17 PM
As long as Kyrie is healthy, the Cavs have a shot to win.


If they do win, you would have to say those mid-season trades were some of the most impactful ever? Not a big NBA historian, but I can't recall any off hand that gave swung a teams fortunes do dramatically.

Pau Gasol trade was pretty big as I remember but yeah it was the trade and Lebron being able to play like Lebron that turned things around.

I'm really curious how all this impacts Love. He keeps saying he wants to be back but every single leak says he wants to leave. I can't really get a grasp on whether he wants to contribute to this situation or be the man somewhere else.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 26, 2015, 11:24:10 PM
From what I understand, it makes more sense for Love to come back next season and then really cash in in 2016 as teams get more money to spend on FAs. So, that probably explains the "I want to be back" but not really stuff.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: benjipwns on May 26, 2015, 11:24:22 PM
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LeBron James goes back to the Finals for the fifth consecutive time, the first player to do that since Bill Russell in 1966.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: benjipwns on May 26, 2015, 11:26:24 PM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on May 26, 2015, 11:24:10 PM
From what I understand, it makes more sense for Love to come back next season and then really cash in in 2016 as teams get more money to spend on FAs. So, that probably explains the "I want to be back" but not really stuff.
Yeah, unless he definitely wants out because fuck Cleveland, he should punt and not opt-out. Especially if the Cavaliers are a contender and he can be a key contributor on another Finals run. That erases all the lack of playoff experience magically. And if they win a title?

Then he can sign with Durant and Rondo in LA.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 26, 2015, 11:29:07 PM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on May 26, 2015, 11:24:10 PM
From what I understand, it makes more sense for Love to come back next season and then really cash in in 2016 as teams get more money to spend on FAs. So, that probably explains the "I want to be back" but not really stuff.

Makes sense. I just have a feeling that if he signs a contract with a 1 year option, it's so obvious that that's all anyone is going to talk about. Lebron can get away with it because he's Lebron. But maybe every one already realizes what's going on and would be fine with it.

But yeah just playing out his current contract is probably the smart short term move.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 26, 2015, 11:40:54 PM
Shaq just threatened to punch Charles Barkley in his face.

 :mindblown

In his defense, I'm sure he would say he was joking but all you had to do was hear him and know it was his petulant childish side lashing out like always. Get him the fuck outta there.

Anyway Charles picked the Cavs over the Warriors just now. I don't agree. But at least if the Warriors win, I no longer have to hear this crap about a jump shooting team can't win a title. (Despite all the jump shots the Spurs hit last year)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 26, 2015, 11:47:01 PM
And now the cast of Entourage is on the set of Inside the NBA

Shutitdownlizlemon.gif
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 27, 2015, 12:10:03 AM
Warriors in 6, but really really close games.

Love will be back for one more season.  Let Kobe retire, then explore the Lakers in FA.  Lakers trade a couple picks and Lin/Young for Westbrook in 2016, that means they'll have:

Westbrook
Clarkson
Love
Randle
Okafor

Ain't bad for rebuilding
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: eleuin on May 27, 2015, 12:42:51 AM
Nobody in that frontcourt plays defense
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 27, 2015, 05:36:39 AM
Cavs in 6.

Team of destiny here boys.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 27, 2015, 10:06:48 AM
I imagine we're done with Walrus in this thread until next year. Unless he's going to play the sore loser role and continually attack Lebron during the finals.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 27, 2015, 10:52:07 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 27, 2015, 10:06:48 AM
I imagine we're done with Walrus in this thread until next year. Unless he's going to play the sore loser role and continually attack Lebron during the finals.

Oh, he will. Have no fear.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 27, 2015, 01:19:07 PM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on May 24, 2015, 01:32:12 PM
Can't wait for Walrus to sport a Warriors avatar

It's like I'm a psychic or something
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 27, 2015, 01:24:12 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on May 27, 2015, 01:12:25 PM
I'm in this until the bitter end.


You have GOT to be fucking kidding me.

Nothing worse than a front runner.

Karma alone now guarantees Cavs in 6 because Walrus hasn't called anything right all playoffs long.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 27, 2015, 01:35:01 PM
He's not really a front runner. He doesn't have any interest in basketball really outside of hater Lebron posts.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 27, 2015, 01:35:40 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 27, 2015, 01:35:01 PM
He's not really a front runner. He doesn't have any interest in basketball really outside of hater Lebron posts.

So he's a typical Kobe stan then? How depressing.

(http://ct.fra.bz/ol/fz/sw/i51/5/5/15/frabz-allegedly-rapes-a-girl-still-likes-men-1857cb.jpg)

Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 27, 2015, 01:41:16 PM
JR in the post-season.

FG: 46%
3pt fg: 40%
pts 13.5
rebs: 5


And I wanted to keep Dion Waiters.

 :snoop
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 27, 2015, 01:41:47 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 27, 2015, 01:41:16 PM
JR in the post-season.

FG: 46%
3pt fg: 40%
pts 13.5
rebs: 5


And I wanted to keep Dion Waiters.

 :snoop

What will really bake your noodle is if you look up his contested shot FG%....it's like 52%
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 27, 2015, 01:49:35 PM
JR and Shump have been huge for the Cavs.  But even bigger?  Fuckin' Tristan Thompson. :lawd

He gon' get paaaaaaaid
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 27, 2015, 01:51:28 PM
So looking ahead to 2016, finals win or not, the Cavs have some decisions to make.

Tristan: No brainer. Lebron's company is his agency. He'll get a large deal (Bet he gives a hometown discount though so probably a few mil below max) I'm thinking 4 years 52 million

Andy: He's gonna have to walk because he takes a very large hit salary and is damaged goods or not you just know Atlanta will give him 8+ million and extend him. 

JR Smith: He'll opt in

Love: The tough one...I don't think he'll opt in and I'm not sure I'd max him if LMA is serious about coming to the Cavs

Shumpert: No brainer, find a way

Mozgov: See above

Delle: See above above


Man there are going to be a lot of moving parts this off season
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Mandark on May 27, 2015, 01:59:29 PM
You realize Varejao's got 2 more years and $19 million left on his contract with the Cavs, right?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 27, 2015, 02:03:18 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 27, 2015, 01:59:29 PM
You realize Varejao's got 2 more years and $19 million left on his contract with the Cavs, right?

Yes they are going to trade him for a backup PG or possibly a 3 to replace Miller/Marion . They can't keep two guys doing the same thing now that they have Mozgov who is clearly a much better defender than both.

Ah, I worded that wrong. Will correct.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 27, 2015, 02:04:23 PM
No one knows how much luxury tax Gilbert will be comfortable paying. So, who they keep could vary wildly.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 27, 2015, 02:05:15 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on May 27, 2015, 02:04:23 PM
No one knows how much luxury tax Gilbert will be comfortable paying. So, who they keep could vary wildly.

Dude he's getting investigated for predatory lending AND his casinos are doing shit business. Know how I know? I just met with him a few hours ago on the expansion for Cleveland which he just tabled, again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 27, 2015, 02:07:06 PM
Just because you meet someone doesn't mean you know what they are thinking. Quit with the appeal to authority horseshit.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 27, 2015, 02:09:30 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on May 27, 2015, 02:07:06 PM
Just because you meet someone doesn't mean you know what they are thinking. Quit with the appeal to authority horseshit.

I'd argue that because I do meet with him I probably know more than you, asshat.

Quit acting like you have one fucking clue how Cleveland works internally. You're embarrassing yourself.


http://www.wxyz.com/news/us-department-of-justice-files-lawsuit-against-quicken-loans


Edit: Oh and I never refuted your point. I was just giving you what is on the table for him right now. One thing I do not know is how profitable the Cavs are as a business unit. So I'll give you that one.

Start there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Mandark on May 27, 2015, 02:13:58 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 27, 2015, 02:05:15 PM
Dude he's getting investigated for predatory lending AND his casinos are doing shit business. Know how I know? I just met with him a few hours ago on the expansion for Cleveland which he just tabled, again.

Both of those things are public knowledge.  Just saying.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 27, 2015, 02:15:00 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 27, 2015, 02:13:58 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 27, 2015, 02:05:15 PM
Dude he's getting investigated for predatory lending AND his casinos are doing shit business. Know how I know? I just met with him a few hours ago on the expansion for Cleveland which he just tabled, again.

Both of those things are public knowledge.  Just saying.

Never said they weren't and considering I just provided a link I'm not sure what you're getting at.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 27, 2015, 02:15:05 PM
I didn't act like I did. I specifically said that "No one knows ... "
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 27, 2015, 02:17:01 PM
Anyways we are going on useless tangent here. My bad.


I just hope this time off gets Kyrie back to 75% because currently he couldn't guard Curry (well then who really can) or Thompson.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Mandark on May 27, 2015, 02:25:25 PM
It's just odd to present it as something gleaned from your connections, is all.  I know a guy who does some business with the Redskins, who keeps sharing "inside info" a day after it's on PTI.  When this gets pointed out to him, he says "Yeah, but I knew about it for weeks!"

Anyways, the new TV deal is going to jack up revenues by a ton, and the value of the Cavs franchise is probably three times what he paid for it a decade ago.  He might choose to avoid the luxury tax, especially with all the new provisions making it harder to acquire players, but I don't think he'd be forced into lower spending unless his other business prospects are really dire.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 27, 2015, 02:31:14 PM
Not only that, but he's the only guy who knows the "Lebron effect" on his tertiary businesses related to Cavaliers basketball. He's owned the team with and without him. Those  financial benefits of keeping Lebron a Cav could outweigh whatever luxury tax he would have to endure in keeping Lebron happy.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 27, 2015, 02:32:26 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 27, 2015, 02:25:25 PM
It's just odd to present it as something gleaned from your connections, is all.  I know a guy who does some business with the Redskins, who keeps sharing "inside info" a day after it's on PTI.  When this gets pointed out to him, he says "Yeah, but I knew about it for weeks!"

Anyways, the new TV deal is going to jack up revenues by a ton, and the value of the Cavs franchise is probably three times what he paid for it a decade ago.  He might choose to avoid the luxury tax, especially with all the new provisions making it harder to acquire players, but I don't think he'd be forced into lower spending unless his other business prospects are really dire.

Oh I'm not that guy. Hell when I was playing I was the last to know. My family use to ask me all the time about free agents and shit and my customary answer was "just let me know if it's a secondary dude." And that was in the mid 90's. With the media blurring more and more with the internet I guarantee you that there are guys who know more about what's happening with the Browns that never played a down of football than the players.

I just spend a lot of time with the Cavs/Quicken loans guys at a higher level and as per normal life, some of them love to talk.

As for the salary cap increase, I wonder how the owner will collaborate on how to minimize the impact. The players have spoken but their union is about as weak as ours was. We should all be taking lessons from the baseball guys.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 27, 2015, 02:51:07 PM
We're comparing insider dicks now? Dan Gilbert is a jerk irl and Quicken officials are too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 27, 2015, 02:51:43 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 27, 2015, 02:51:07 PM
We're comparing insider dicks now? Dan Gilbert is a jerk irl and Quicken officials are too.

You and dicks nicca. What the fuck?

 :holeup
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 27, 2015, 04:26:12 PM
Tell me I'm wrong tho. Not a fan of Gilbert.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 27, 2015, 04:37:30 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 27, 2015, 04:26:12 PM
Tell me I'm wrong tho. Not a fan of Gilbert.

Napoleon syndrome bro.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 27, 2015, 05:48:11 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on May 27, 2015, 01:12:25 PM
I'm in this until the bitter end.

(http://38.media.tumblr.com/320b819091e1be704a9ad2f93f2f6cb7/tumblr_mkjcwoOd0O1qbvghwo4_250.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 27, 2015, 11:29:38 PM
James Harden

2-10

12 turnovers.

 :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 28, 2015, 05:39:33 AM
For once most pundits got it right. Warriors vs Cavs.

At the very least the should be a hell of a series and it's nice to see two new teams get a shot at the title!

That said, GO Cavs! Warriors can eat a whole bag of dicks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 28, 2015, 12:49:01 PM
 :lol

Honestly I just can't see the Cavs beating GS, but since I'm invested in seeing the Walrus Curse reach its climax I'll have to go with the Cavs in 6.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Beezy on May 28, 2015, 12:54:39 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on May 28, 2015, 12:44:59 PM
We're in the Finals!
Change your fucking avatar.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: benjipwns on May 28, 2015, 01:08:52 PM
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Chicago Bulls Chairman Jerry Reinsdorf said, “The Chicago Bulls have a history of achieving great success on and off the court. These accomplishments have been possible because of an organizational culture where input from all parts of the organization has been welcomed and valued, there has been a willingness to participate in a free flow of information, and there have been clear and consistent goals. While the head of each department of the organization must be free to make final decisions regarding his department, there must be free and open interdepartmental discussion and consideration of everyone's ideas and opinions. These internal discussions must not be considered an invasion of turf, and must remain private. Teams that consistently perform at the highest levels are able to come together and be unified across the organization-staff, players, coaches, management and ownership. When everyone is on the same page, trust develops and teams can grow and succeed together. Unfortunately, there has been a departure from this culture. To ensure that the Chicago Bulls can continue to grow and succeed, we have decided that a change in the head coaching position is required. Days like today are difficult, but necessary for us to achieve our goals and fulfill our commitments to our fans. I appreciate the contributions that Tom Thibodeau made to the Bulls organization. I have always respected his love of the game and wish him well in the future.”
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2015, 05:21:44 PM
Thibs is a very good defensive coach but he does burn those guys out.

That being said, I hate Paxon, Reinsdorf, and Forman, so team Thibodeaux for me. Good luck to him finding another good situation.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 28, 2015, 06:01:39 PM
I'm hearing they're interested in Alvin Gentry?

way better than picking up Fred Hoiberg imo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: benjipwns on May 28, 2015, 11:04:34 PM
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MIAMI -- For the first time, the relationship between Dwyane Wade and the Miami Heat seems murky at best.

And his future with the team is now in doubt.

Contract talks between Wade and the Heat are at an impasse and the three-time NBA champion is preparing himself for possibly leaving the team this summer, a source confirmed to ESPN.com.

Wade is under contract for the 2015-16 season, and would earn about $16.1 million. He also could opt out and become a free agent. Wade has said many times, including in an end-of-season interview with The Associated Press, that he wants to remain with the Heat for the remainder of his career.

But Wade has not decided anything, including whether he will opt out, the person said on Thursday.

"He's trying to figure out how things should transpire and if he can reach another agreement with the Heat," the person said.
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 28, 2015, 11:05:50 PM
Based cavs starting 2 guard :-)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 28, 2015, 11:31:44 PM
"the person"

fuck happened to "an anonymous source"?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 29, 2015, 01:27:09 AM
Weird. I don't understand the conflict. I mean I know he got screwed with his contract situation when Lebron left but does he really think anybody is going to pay him mega bucks at this stage in his career.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2015, 01:28:38 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2015, 05:21:44 PM
Thibs is a very good defensive coach but he does burn those guys out.
There were stories put out this week that players (including long-termers, not just new guys like Gasol) were very negative about Thibs in exit interviews and that many of them had taken to practicing/working out away from the Bulls official facility because Thibs basically lived there and he would more or less nag the players even if they were just popping in to work on their jumper or whatever.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 29, 2015, 05:14:04 PM
http://www.si.com/nba/2015/05/29/golden-state-warriors-klay-thompson-concussion-rockets

[walrus]Looks like Stern successfully paid off Ariza for the knee to the head[/walrus]
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 29, 2015, 06:14:58 PM
It was pretty clear the Warriors were hustling out Klay and Curry back onto the court so they wouldn't have to deal with the concussion protocol. It's pretty sketchy that team doctors are in control of that stuff when the winning imperative is that strong. 

It fell apart when Klay started bleeding from the ear.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: benjipwns on May 30, 2015, 01:54:02 AM
Magic have hired Scott Skiles.

Bulls want Fred Hoiberg.

Alvin Gentry is going to have a second interview with the Pelicans...although now that Thibs is out there...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2015, 05:00:32 AM
Seems to be a lack of black head coaches in the NBA at the moment for a league that has been generally good about that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 30, 2015, 08:12:05 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2015, 05:00:32 AM
Seems to be a lack of black head coaches in the NBA at the moment for a league that has been generally good about that.

I ain't really made about it though. Outside of Gentry and Lue there doesn't seem to be an assload of talent out there.

Hoiberg is eerily reminiscent of the bulls chasing jackson out of town for Floyd though. It doesn't make any sense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 30, 2015, 10:23:05 AM
Since when it Gentry talented?

Seems like a lot of black coaches he placeholder jobs in the NFL and NBA. Take over a shitty team for a couple years the get booted.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 30, 2015, 11:27:54 AM
He had some good years with the suns.

Trying to figure out walrus' hate for Lebron is harder than trying to find a snickers bar a whole foods.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 30, 2015, 01:36:34 PM
@beezy
https://vine.co/v/ebQvKAJYF7t
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: benjipwns on May 30, 2015, 02:53:34 PM
All Gentry did really was reverse Terry Porter's attempt to make the Suns play more like the Pat Riley Knicks. Nash mostly ran that show. And Amare was back.

Gentry seems to be a well respected assistant, but he hasn't exactly done anything of note as a head coach. The Pistons under performed under him and he seemed to not like Grant Hill as a point-forward. Then went nowhere with that Clippers team that had Brand, Odom, Q Rich, Andre Miller, Corey Maggette, etc. And never really seeming to develop guys. Especially Darius Miles.

I think you need somebody who will let that Pelicans team run while giving them an actual defense. And who isn't afraid to use Tyreke Evans as his "point guard" no matter where he "plays" something Monty Williams figured out when Jrue went down and the team sparked their run to the playoffs.

Maybe Scott Brooks. Or Mike Brown. Perhaps Larry Drew.

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I have no idea if I'm kidding about those suggestions.
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Mandark on May 30, 2015, 02:56:34 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 30, 2015, 10:23:05 AM
Since when it Gentry talented?

Seems like a lot of black coaches he placeholder jobs in the NFL and NBA. Take over a shitty team for a couple years the get booted.

The year after D'Antoni left, Terry Porter got fired midseason and Gentry took over.  They did better the rest of the year, and the next season they finally beat the Spurs in the playoffs and almost made the Finals (that's the year of the crazy Ron Artest shot in the WCF).  He and Ron Adams were picked as top-shelf assistants to help Steve Kerr in his first year as head coach, a bit like an offensive/defensive-coordinator setup.

Plus he's got a very good reputation in terms of personality.  Able to get players to play hard without wearing them out, a player's coach without being a pushover, etc.

His overall record is pretty blah cause of the jobs he's taken, but he is well thought of in the league.  Wouldn't mind him taking over the Wiz at all, especially since I'm not sure Playoff Randy Wittman isn't turning back into a pumpkin.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: benjipwns on May 30, 2015, 03:00:02 PM
Gentry's a big time players coach.

He has seemed to become more flexible at least based on interviews since taking over for the Suns.

His Clippers offense seemed to consist entirely of players taking turns posting up on the left block. And he did some odd things with the Pistons. Though maybe not as odd as Doug Collins obsession with starting Don Reid in every game but essentially not playing him in the other 47 minutes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: benjipwns on May 30, 2015, 03:14:51 PM
(http://a.espncdn.com/media/scGraphics/2015/05/30/FS_3PM_NBA_053015_NBA_Finals_Firsts_1433005207558.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 30, 2015, 03:25:26 PM
I can't wait until the cavs take this series. And they will because a pretty team isn't going to withstand the beating they are about to receive. We'll that and we have the best player in the universe.

I'm going to toast two pieces of white bread and serve Walrus his L with a side of pickles.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Mandark on May 30, 2015, 03:40:46 PM
As weird as it sounds, I think Dellavedova is the X factor that could decide this series.

If he can step up his game and injure two Golden State rotation players, the Cavs will be in a very good position.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 30, 2015, 03:44:41 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 30, 2015, 03:40:46 PM
As weird as it sounds, I think Dellavedova is the X factor that could decide this series.

If he can step up his game and injure two Golden State rotation players, the Cavs will be in a very good position.

More than any other team sport. Superstars make teams win in basketball. And we don't just have a superstar....we have THE superstar.

he carried a bunch of role players to the finals. If Kyrie is even 80% of normal we're going to punch their throat in.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: benjipwns on May 30, 2015, 03:48:58 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 30, 2015, 03:40:46 PM
As weird as it sounds, I think Dellavedova is the X factor that could decide this series.

If he can step up his game and injure two Golden State rotation players, the Cavs will be in a very good position.
Klay Thompson already has a concussion, so he doesn't have to start from scratch.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Mandark on May 30, 2015, 03:50:17 PM
Yeah, at this point I'd almost be disappointed if Delly doesn't hit Klay with a tombstone piledriver on the Spanish announcers' table.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 30, 2015, 03:51:06 PM
I wish this forum had a system like Coli Cash where we could bet on stuff.
:tocry

Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Mandark on May 30, 2015, 03:52:32 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 30, 2015, 03:51:06 PM
I wish this forum had a system like Coli Cash where we could bet on stuff.
:tocry

No you don't.  We know how much you actually follow the NBA.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 30, 2015, 03:58:14 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 30, 2015, 03:52:32 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 30, 2015, 03:51:06 PM
I wish this forum had a system like Coli Cash where we could bet on stuff.
:tocry

No you don't.  We know how much you actually follow the NBA.

This is true. Still I would bet all my Bore Cash on the Walrus Curse reaching its inevitable climax.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Mandark on May 30, 2015, 04:09:43 PM
That'd be fun, though I think I'm rooting for the Warriors.  I almost always want to see great teams finish the job.

As much as I think GS is better, you can at least come up with a scenario where Cleveland wins.  The threat of offensive rebounds keeps the Warriors from leaking out in transition, Cleveland plays rugged defense in the halfcourt, LeBron does LeBron stuff, and Smith/Shumpert hit enough of their threes.  Also sort of relies on Steph and Klay, if not going cold, at least not going nuclear.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 30, 2015, 04:21:27 PM
It's all fun and games to crack on the east but the physical brand of basketball they play is the kryptonite of the Warriors. Hell Memphis is half ass aggressive and they put it on GS for a few games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 30, 2015, 04:27:45 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on May 30, 2015, 04:23:33 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 30, 2015, 03:44:41 PM
he carried a bunch of role players to the finals

Act like Memphis or the Clippers wouldn't 4-4-4 that conference breh.

Historically weak.

Neither one of those teams would beat the cavs and would both probably get swept. Lol. You silly.

Lebron is that good. Shove that up your ass and fart triple doubles.


#therealmvp
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 31, 2015, 04:36:09 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/kevin-love-says-hell-back-next-season-cavaliers-193200069--nba.html

 :gladbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 31, 2015, 04:40:50 PM
I'm okay with it
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 31, 2015, 06:21:08 PM
How are they going to afford D. Wade also?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 31, 2015, 06:23:56 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on May 31, 2015, 06:21:08 PM
How are they going to afford D. Wade also?

League min.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 31, 2015, 07:03:01 PM
I say let Kevin walk at this point.  It's obvious the team still can get the spacing he brought even win him out.  Save the money and go for strengthening your bench.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: benjipwns on May 31, 2015, 07:08:38 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 31, 2015, 07:03:01 PM
I say let Kevin walk at this point.  It's obvious the team still can get the spacing he brought even win him out.  Save the money and go for strengthening your bench.
They can't. It's a player option. Trading him is the only option to get rid of him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 31, 2015, 07:18:31 PM
Why would he opt in for less than full market value?

Nobody does that shit with a new cap coming. Especially a guy who is getting faxes from the Lakers and Celtics 10 seconds after the free agency period starts.

Wade will take a small salary to pay back bron.  Book that.

Anyway like I said back in this thread earlier. The only reason love comes back for a year is if he and his agent think his value has been reduced. IE: I suspect he is rooting for Golden State. Because if the Cavs pull this off without him...coupled with his inability to bond with the team...means he HAS to come back and perform. You ain't no pro if you ain't got an ego. Remember that.

Even with that said I'm doubtful he comes back for a year. Celtics always pay for white talent.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: benjipwns on May 31, 2015, 07:49:31 PM
Because his opt-in is only one year. He's a free agent in 2016 no matter what. And he'll make more starting in 2016 than any max deal he signed this offseason. A max deal he signs this offseason only nets him $1 million more than opting-in for one year does.

On the coaching front:
Pelicans hiring Alvin Gentry after the Finals.

Bulls want to give a five-year deal to Fred Hoiberg.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 31, 2015, 09:49:14 PM
The "Mayor" will do good his first season because the players will respond to him. Moving forward though he'll at best be a marginal coach as he's known for being lax and the one thing rich 22 year olds don't need is a lax coach.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: benjipwns on May 31, 2015, 10:15:18 PM
http://www.tmz.com/2015/05/29/nba-all-star-chris-gatling-arrested-arizona-credit-card-scam-kingpin/
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Ex-NBA player Chris Gatling -- a former All-Star -- was arrested in Scottsdale, AZ yesterday ... with cops saying he was the kingpin in a massive illegal credit card and I.D. theft scam.

TMZ Sports has learned ... one of Gatling's alleged victims is a woman he met on a dating website who owned a fitness studio -- who he allegedly screwed out of $90,000. 

Long story short ... cops say Gatling set up Internet businesses to gather credit card information from people.

Once he got the numbers, he would take them to the fitness studio ... convinced the lady to run the cards for various dollar amounts (she believed they were legit) ... and asked her to front him 90% of the payment in cash.

For example ... if the woman ran a $100 credit card charge for Gatling, she would give him $90 in cash and keep $10 for herself.

But cops say the credit card holders never authorized the fitness studio payments and cancelled their transactions -- leaving the fitness studio owner in a $90,000 hole ... the amount she had given to Gatling in cash.

Officials eventually caught on to the scheme ... and arrested Gatling for fraud, aggravated identity theft and forgery.

And get this ... he was busted while meeting with his probation officer -- stemming from a forgery and theft CONVICTION back in 2013 when he attempted to rent out a home he didn't own.

mugshot:
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2015/05/29/0529-christopher-gatling-mug-tmz-4.jpg)
 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 31, 2015, 10:19:10 PM
All I remember about that dude is he usually went for 15 and 10 against the cavs every time we played him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 31, 2015, 10:34:38 PM
That woman should be arrested also.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: benjipwns on June 01, 2015, 11:45:54 AM
Quote from: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/dan-le-batard/article22776375.html
▪ It was LeBron James, not Wade, who first made real the possible paradigm shift with three superstars playing together in Miami. James broached the subject during free agency in 2010, at a secret meeting he called in Cleveland with Bosh and Wade. To that point, Wade had been relaying to Heat management that there was no way James would go for the idea of playing in Miami.

▪ It was Wade, not James, who by himself kept Udonis Haslem in Miami. Wade went to James with the idea of taking less money to include Haslem. James refused. The Heat couldn’t figure out a way to make a competitive offer to Haslem within salary-cap constraints until Wade volunteered to take that salary hit alone. It is why Wade was paid millions less than Bosh and James — one of the sacrifices Wade would make on behalf of team that he evidently would now like reimbursed.

▪ Miami’s Big 3 would have never gotten together if Pat Riley had originally gotten what he wanted. Riley was busy offering millions in 2009 to Lamar Odom, fresh off a championship in Los Angeles. Odom was having something close to a nervous breakdown trying to decide between the Lakers and Heat, but eventually settled on L.A. before marrying a Kardashian and spiraling into addiction. If Riley had closed Odom — and Odom couldn’t be reached for days at deciding time — Miami never would have had the money to pay James, Wade and Bosh.

▪ Miami’s Big 3 would have never gotten together if Shawn Marion, of all people, had gotten what he wanted. Marion was so stubborn about wanting a max contract back in 2007 that his insistence helped blow up a three-team deal that could have sent Kevin Garnett from Minnesota to Phoenix. That deal would have prevented Garnett from ever teaming up with Paul Pierce and Ray Allen to win a championship in Boston. But Marion wouldn’t re-sign with a trading team that wasn’t offering the max, so he was instead sent to Miami for a disgruntled Shaquille O’Neal. Miami offered Marion a four-year contract that would have also kept Miami’s Big 3 from uniting, but not at the max. So Marion asked to be traded … and had to settle in Dallas for a five-year, $39 million deal that was far less than the max.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 01, 2015, 11:47:52 AM
All that salt still.

I bet the 6 people who actually read that are going to be really mad at Lebron.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 01, 2015, 11:56:49 AM
LeBatard's been interesting to listen to on the Wade topic. He lays out a very compelling case on why no one in sports deserves a "Jeter deal" as much as D.Wade does.  A smart GM doesn't overpay for past performance, but Wade might be that one exception.

But Riley is pretty cutthroat, so he might not care.



 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 01, 2015, 12:03:44 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on June 01, 2015, 11:56:49 AM
LeBatard's been interesting to listen to on the Wade topic. He lays out a very compelling case on why no one in sports deserves a "Jeter deal" as much as D.Wade does.  A smart GM doesn't overpay for past performance, but Wade might be that one exception.

But Riley is pretty cutthroat, so he might not care.

Wade won't be back. I mean I wouldn't bet on it. Riley is more :beli than he is loyal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 01, 2015, 01:02:43 PM
Wade may be back, but his poor knees might not.  :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 01, 2015, 01:10:35 PM
As a heat fan, I love Wade but ultimately it comes down to entirely what he wants in that contract. I think the Lakers are one of the few fan bases that can afford to overpay and throw away money and reward a player for past performance. The Heat aren't in a great position to that especially with Dragic and Whiteside coming up in the future.

It's one thing if they just were terrible like the current Lakers but their potential upside is a lot better than that in the short term.

I don't think players should have stupid loyalty and I don't think franchises should have stupid loyalty. It makes it all a lot more honest.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: benjipwns on June 01, 2015, 09:35:05 PM
Quote
Adrian Wojnarowski: Chicago Bulls coach Fred Hoiberg is signing a 5-year deal worth nearly $25M, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 01, 2015, 11:21:21 PM
Report: Knicks 'enamored' with Trey Lyles, could draft him 4th overall
http://mweb.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25200922/report-knicks-enamored-with-trey-lyles-could-draft-him-4th-overall

:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 02, 2015, 09:26:57 AM
Walrus,

Stop

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=165933323&postcount=701

:snoop
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 02, 2015, 03:32:05 PM
I guess speaking the absolute truth is taco shit now
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 02, 2015, 09:03:51 PM
Most of GAF is idiotic like Walrus. That's why it mostly nice to have this thread. Which outside of him is mostly idiot-free.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 02, 2015, 09:12:58 PM
As far as the series now that we are close my opinion is the same as its always been since the playoffs started.

It's hard to pick anybody but the Warriors. They seem like a historically great single season franchise. They have an equally good offense and defense. They have a smart coach who doesn't seem to let his team stay in ruts for long when they hit them.

In fact it honestly seems like a complete mismatch. Especially with Kyrie being half Kyrie. Still rooting for the Cavs but it just seems very unlikely. But that's why they play the game. You have to do it, to prove you're the team.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Beezy on June 02, 2015, 09:21:35 PM
Take your GAF talk to that shitty stickied thread plz. And change your fuckin avatar before the Finals start.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 02, 2015, 09:30:58 PM
AFAIK, you've never quantified your LeBron hate past the obvious "I'm a Lakers stan and he's obviously better than Kobe," Glen. What, praytell, annoys you so much about the obvious current best player in the NBA?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 02, 2015, 09:41:02 PM
...he never raped anyone?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 02, 2015, 09:48:19 PM
Yes. Kobe the rapist is one truly class human being and the standard we should admire to by comparison. Do you actually believe the shit that comes out of your mouth or is trolling 24/7 just made you immune to your bullshit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: benjipwns on June 02, 2015, 10:01:06 PM
Like 80% of that list could apply to Kobe with minor tweaks.

And Jordan.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 02, 2015, 10:10:04 PM
That's always the stupid part. He doesn't jock Tim Duncan unless its an attempt to downgrade Lebron. It's the weirdest thing in the world to jock one asshole at the expense of another as if he is the greatest thing in the world. It's like dissing Hitler to pimp Mussolini. Very odd.

Or you could just treat them like normal humans with both flaws and merits unlike pretending they are devils and angels. But it wouldn't be trolling if that was the case. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 02, 2015, 10:18:47 PM
Kobe fans will go to any lengths to create and win an argument. Just saw some dudes on The Coli arguing Kobe>Steph because he has more daughters.

Kobe stans are like the dad in A Christmas Story with the lamp.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 02, 2015, 10:29:03 PM
Not to mention most of that shit that he mentioned was when Lebron was a fucking child.  Lots of that stuff was when Lebron was like 18-26.  And fuck out of here with the whole refs/uncalled foul bullshit.  They're called superstar calls, not Lebron calls.  Jordan got away with a bunch as well.

And LOL at Curry being the best player right now.  Offensively, he's the best shooter, yes.  But he plays average defense and can't be relied on for inside-out schemes.  He deserves MVP this year, by far, but I still thin Lebron, Durant, and Chris Paul are overall better players.

You also realize that SI cover was out of Lebrons control?  That was all Grant Wahl and SI's narrative.  Imagine Lebron didn't play as well as he did During some summer league whose name escapes me...Wahl wouldn't be in Akron representing SI, Lebron would probably go to college, and his career might be completely different.

Fuck, I am so sick of talking about this shit
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Mandark on June 02, 2015, 10:29:53 PM
It's not like most of Shinobi's posts in this thread are serious.  At least during the last season, he's been going for a ranty, trollish, sorta thing.  Not that he doesn't hate LeBron, but he's at least couching it in a Forum Personality gimmick.  Which I guess makes it an internet victory when he gets AiA or Stoney to take the bait?  It's still so boring though.

I miss Cormac.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 02, 2015, 10:44:37 PM
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John Newman ‏@jnewman3345  11h11 hours ago
@EthanJSkolnick Just wondering, what was the Heat's initial offer to Wade that blindsided him?

 
Ethan J. SkolnickVerified account

@jnewman3345 it was under 10M per, I believe
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 03, 2015, 02:10:05 AM
I don't think management and players are allowed to discuss numbers right now. But I guess that's a winkwink kind of rule.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Beezy on June 03, 2015, 02:41:01 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on June 02, 2015, 09:32:05 PM
Do you want me to change my avatar because you really do believe in this whack Walrus Curse theory?
:snoop

Maybe I should just bet on the Cavs in 7 and make some money off this shit...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 03, 2015, 06:55:37 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on June 02, 2015, 09:32:05 PM
Do you want me to change my avatar because you really do believe in this whack Walrus Curse theory?

Quote from: Human Snorenado on June 02, 2015, 09:30:58 PM
AFAIK, you've never quantified your LeBron hate past the obvious "I'm a Lakers stan and he's obviously better than Kobe," Glen. What, praytell, annoys you so much about the obvious current best player in the NBA?

Curry is the best player, but it's mostly the Decision, the "not 1, not 2, not 3...", "We Already Won," "I spoil people with my play," "I've only had 2 bad games in my career," King James as a nickname in high school, the Sports Illustrated cover back in 2002, the incessant media slurping, getting ROTY over Carmelo due to hype, his assist padding, the ref coddling he gets (especially on defense where he's been allowed to mug people for years), the constant uncalled traveling (and the crab dribble justification from a few years back)... what's NOT to hate?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fnjXJ2IQgo

Shut up, you know about as much about basketball as you do vaginas.

Curry better than lebron? Are you out of your goddamn mind? Curry ain't carrying these beat up Cavs to the finals. Curry ain't making his teammates better, Curry don't play defense, Take Lebron and put him on Golden State and their 75-7 or something equally ridiculous. The man averaged damn near a triple double for a SERIES and wasn't even shooting well because he was playing on two twisted ankles.

Lets see

Shooting: Curry
Passing: Lebron
Driving to hole: LOL
Defense: LOL
Leadership: LOL
Rebounding: LOL
Basketball IQ: LOL
Able to play 5 positions on floor? LOL

Maybe in 3-4 years curry will be "the guy" but you can't take James' crown from him based on one season where he headlined the most talented team in the league. That's stupid irrational Kobe stan hate shit.

Actually I'm probably wrong though because when Lebron's game finally does come down to Earth it will be AD hoisting them MVPS.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 03, 2015, 07:05:10 AM
Quote from: Mandark on June 02, 2015, 10:29:53 PM
It's not like most of Shinobi's posts in this thread are serious.  At least during the last season, he's been going for a ranty, trollish, sorta thing.  Not that he doesn't hate LeBron, but he's at least couching it in a Forum Personality gimmick.  Which I guess makes it an internet victory when he gets AiA or Stoney to take the bait?  It's still so boring though.

I miss Cormac.

No he's not. Kid is deluded. That's the scary part. He's doing the same argument on 2 if not 3 forums. Nobody has that level of fuckery unless they are dedicated to the cause. Gotta defend Kobe

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/1373049448_af15be6e5c1f44c656add87b61a85575-even-sportscenter-knows-kobe-doesnt-pass.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2015, 01:08:23 PM
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Answering questions (some yours, some mine) on Dwyane Wade:

### The Heat would love for Wade to take a reduced salary like two other Hall of Fame-caliber players have: Tim Duncan (who earned $10.4 million this season) and Dirk Nowitzki ($7.9 million). Wade apparently has no interest in making anything close to that low. So is that reasonable on Wade’s part?

Absolutely. Here’s why: The comparisons between Wade and Duncan and Nowitzki aren’t fair at this point because the Spurs and Mavericks stars didn’t take big cuts until well beyond this point in Wade’s career.

Wade will be entering his 13th season in the NBA. In seasons 13 through 15, Nowitzki earned $17.3 million, $19.1 million and $20.9 million, and Duncan earned $22.2 million, $18.7 million and $21.2 million.

A Wade associate has told people that Wade would welcome a contract averaging $20 million annually over the next three years. If that's true, it would be understandable, considering the year 13-15 pay ranges for Duncan and Nowitzki. Wade's agent, Henry Thomas, politely declined to confirm that or anything regarding Wade's specific financial expectations.

We've heard the Heat would prefer Wade opt in for $16 million next season, then take a very significant pay cut over the following two years.

But it's important to note that those numbers were not confirmed by the Heat, which obviously isn't saying what it will offer when formal offers can be made July 1. And I would be surprised if the Heat didn't make a solid offer at that time; whether it's to Wade's liking is another story entirely that must play out.

The variable with Wade, of course, is that he missed 28 and 20 games the past two seasons, whereas Duncan and Nowitzki never missed more than seven in any of the four seasons before their 13th.

The injuries concern the Heat, according to a Heat official, and that's understandable, too.

But in Wade's defense, the Heat sat him in some games two years ago that he could have played in. (Remember the maintanance program?) And he appeared in 86 of 87 playoff games in the Big Three era.

And also consider this: Wade has never made $20 million in a season, making him a bargain by superstar standards. Carmelo Anthony has done it twice and will at least four more times. Kobe Bryant has done it seven times (three times pocketing at least $25 million) and will once more.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2015/06/asking-and-answering-questions-on-wade-heat-scenarios-dolphins-canes-marlins.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2015, 01:10:13 PM
https://instagram.com/p/3dBD62HEIO/
spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://instagram.com/p/3ZwT2ZnEEH/
 :snoop
[close]
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2015, 01:25:31 PM
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/where-this-years-cavs-rank-among-lebrons-nba-finals-supporting-casts/

Once again not necessarily a big 538 guy when it comes to sports but it does confirm that eye test that this Cavs team kind of needs a miracle.

Quote
Remove James, and things get even more dire; his supporting cast ranks as the third-worst team carried by its best player3 to the NBA Finals since 1985.

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these are not the types of teams Lebron took to the Finals as a member of the Heat. Then again, it also bears mentioning that his supporting cast in Miami in last year’s playoffs wasn’t much better. That team was soundly beaten in the Finals by the San Antonio Spurs — as were James’s 2007 Cavs — so there’s a reason the Warriors are favorites in Vegas this year. But it’s also a testament to James that he’s carried the load for two of the bottom three — and three of the bottom eight — Finals supporting casts of the past 30 years.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Beezy on June 03, 2015, 01:34:39 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2015, 01:10:13 PM
https://instagram.com/p/3dBD62HEIO/
spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://instagram.com/p/3ZwT2ZnEEH/
 :snoop
[close]
:snoop
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 03, 2015, 01:47:01 PM
Eh, I think that 538 article is kinda bull
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2015, 01:49:08 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 03, 2015, 01:47:01 PM
Eh, I think that 538 article is kinda bull
Not saying there aren't  legit ways to disagree with it but what about it is "bull" specifically or are you arguing that this Cavs squad is an awesome historical team, statistically?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 03, 2015, 02:02:16 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2015, 01:49:08 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 03, 2015, 01:47:01 PM
Eh, I think that 538 article is kinda bull
Not saying there aren't  legit ways to disagree with it but what about it is "bull" specifically or are you arguing that this Cavs squad is an awesome historical team, statistically?

No, he's googling "lebron sucks" and posting whatever trash comes up in the results.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2015, 02:06:52 PM
BrandNew is a Lebron fan.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 03, 2015, 02:11:50 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on June 03, 2015, 02:06:49 PM
BrandNew probably sexualizes LeBron more than anyone but Stoney, so you're way off with that one.

This Cavs team out scored opponents by 12.5 points per 100 possessions with LeBron on the bench. Maybe on paper they were shit, but the rest of the team stepped up in a big way in the playoffs. Without that margin they wouldn't have beat Chicago even with Chicago basically not running an offense.

No, as usual I was talking about the bullshit you post every day.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2015, 02:19:29 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2015/story/_/id/13000122/nba-finals-predictions

Pretty clear where the punditry crowd is standing.

One more day. Here's hoping for a good finals.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2015, 02:27:02 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on June 03, 2015, 02:06:49 PM
BrandNew probably sexualizes LeBron more than anyone but Stoney, so you're way off with that one.

This Cavs team out scored opponents by 12.5 points per 100 possessions with LeBron on the bench. Maybe on paper they were shit, but the rest of the team stepped up in a big way in the playoffs. Without that margin they wouldn't have beat Chicago even with Chicago basically not running an offense.

Am I tripping or is this a bullshit stat, especially to plant a flag on as the platform of your argument. I'd imagine a good deal of LeBron's time on the bench lines up with moments where the Cavs are well ahead/other team has essentially given up.

I don't know shit about the NBA but this just sounds fishy to me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 03, 2015, 02:50:23 PM
Actually Walrus's stat is true, and I agree with him.  They still would've beaten the Bulls though because of Pau's injury.

and thats what I meant Stoney...this team is playing inspired playoff basketball.  Much different now than in Jan/Feb/March

PD, when Lebron is on the bench in the second and decent portions of the third, Delly, JR, Shump, and James Jones are hitting their shots.  TT also killing bench front courters in rebounding
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2015, 08:59:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58_Qj_QY6Ts&feature=youtu.be

Sounds like Hack-a-Shaq is still gonna be there next season.

 :yuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: dkdk on June 03, 2015, 10:38:03 PM
curry bout to add another one to the body count  :lawd

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGnmva7VIAAUaXc.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: naff on June 03, 2015, 10:45:01 PM
Quote from: Mandark on June 02, 2015, 10:29:53 PM
It's not like most of Shinobi's posts in this thread are serious.  At least during the last season, he's been going for a ranty, trollish, sorta thing.  Not that he doesn't hate LeBron, but he's at least couching it in a Forum Personality gimmick.  Which I guess makes it an internet victory when he gets AiA or Stoney to take the bait?  It's still so boring though.

I miss Cormac.

Even though this is the guy that loves Muse, gets butthurt about people hating on acoustic guitar players at parties, has eugenics fantasies. I agree. His shtick here can't be serious.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: benjipwns on June 03, 2015, 11:04:41 PM
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Gentry had spent the off day on Sunday breaking down film of the Cleveland Cavaliers defense and coming up with a game plan for how the Warriors should attack it in the NBA Finals. And as usual, he'd sent off clips of a few dozen plays to Nick U'Ren, the Warriors' video coordinator, to present at the Golden State Warriors' Monday morning film session.

"I start in like, 'Guys, here are some of the plays we ran against them that really worked well,'" Gentry says. "And I look at the screen and it's all a bunch of fricking Pelicans highlights.

"They've got captions under the plays like, 'Boy, this team has a lot of potential.' There's this play with Anthony Davis dunking and the caption says, 'God, this guy is GOOD!'"

The whole room started rolling. Head coach Steve Kerr had told Gentry to go off to New Orleans over the weekend to finalize the job offer because the Warriors weren't doing anything substantive.
:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2015, 11:16:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts1T90fvrwE
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2015, 11:26:47 PM
Nah. It's better to have Pitbull and Will Am I rapping over a pop beat about how things are about to "get started"/"go off the hook"/or "go down".
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: benjipwns on June 03, 2015, 11:52:36 PM
NEVER 4GET
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYdQ-hfCLio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCXBTqDdPIQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5esuaHOnZM
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 04, 2015, 10:01:58 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2015, 11:26:47 PM
Nah. It's better to have Pitbull and Will Am I rapping over a pop beat about how things are about to "get started"/"go off the hook"/or "go down".

Nothing has ever been better with pitbull.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 04, 2015, 10:25:03 AM
ABC should acquire the rights to that fucking Tesh song, dammit.  That song is synonymous to basketball for me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals start June 4)
Post by: benjipwns on June 04, 2015, 05:56:50 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 04, 2015, 10:25:03 AM
ABC should acquire the rights to that fucking Tesh song, dammit.  That song is synonymous to basketball for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_h7Lm7C9Nk
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 04, 2015, 08:49:54 PM
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I always say you have to have two things to win a championship. You have to have a star, which LeBron is, and you have to have a crazy person — and the Cavaliers have two of them, Shumpert and J.R. Smith
                                                                  /
                                                                 /
                                                                /
(http://cdn.mommynoire.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/0518_MN_11a.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 04, 2015, 09:27:48 PM
And I'm here. Time to blog it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 04, 2015, 09:35:59 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on June 04, 2015, 09:28:30 PM
Refs constantly bailing out the Cavs already.

Cavs are dominating the boards and getting position, thus the Warriors are getting called...ah fuck it nevermind.
:pacspit

Cavs looking sharp, and aggressive.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 04, 2015, 09:36:31 PM
Warriors getting worked

:heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 04, 2015, 09:38:17 PM
Couldn't ask for a better start for the cavs but they are a team that lacks concentration so they will always lose any lead they build. And the Warriors are great at adjustments.

Good start and good defense from Cavs though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: Beezy on June 04, 2015, 09:41:34 PM
Cavs in full live by JR mode.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 04, 2015, 09:52:19 PM
Offense terrible with Lebron on bench.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 04, 2015, 10:01:05 PM
Warriors heating up
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 04, 2015, 10:10:22 PM
Good first half. Both teams took a punch and settled down.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 04, 2015, 10:14:55 PM
Watching Bogut play, I forgot he is as dirty as anybody in the league.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 04, 2015, 10:19:47 PM
Golden State loses.

bron's mindset translated for our cac friends;

Gang Starr- Battle with Lyrics: http://youtu.be/r37DtF7VejI

make sure to like this post when we win.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 04, 2015, 10:21:26 PM
God the good old days when we out made nba bros. That shit don't happen no more.


:lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 04, 2015, 10:23:22 PM
Bron too busy throwing up bricks and airballs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 04, 2015, 10:24:24 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 04, 2015, 10:23:22 PM
Bron too busy throwing up bricks and airballs.

Oh yeah flyweight? Who winnin?

You played ball right? Fear sinning deep  this game. GS ain't ready.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 04, 2015, 10:33:25 PM
Drive and get that glory.

GS ain't ready
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 04, 2015, 10:58:03 PM
Still anybody's game. The problem is Lebron is a little tired. They have to get him some rest. But the offense goes to pot when he's on the bench.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 04, 2015, 11:04:11 PM
Offense is so terrible. Isn't that the whole point of being a coach, is to establish some flow in this situation.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 04, 2015, 11:07:44 PM
That's my issue with blatt so far. I think just anybody, any coach could roll out a team and say lebron, you play iso offense and see how far that gets out. Isn't the whole point to help your team with other options in some of these situations. James Jones is useless. I so want to see somebody else get his minutes. He has one skill and is terrible at every other facet of the game both offensively and defensively. And JR has been pretty useless outside of the 1st quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 04, 2015, 11:11:54 PM
Lebron is amazing tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 04, 2015, 11:22:25 PM
Warriors having so many options on offense is giving the cavs fits. They get the switch everytime and then there's a mismatch and they find it and exploit it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 04, 2015, 11:26:50 PM
This has been a great game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 04, 2015, 11:27:42 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 04, 2015, 11:26:50 PM
This has been a great game.

Yeah. Reminds me of those heat/spurs game. The first finals.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 04, 2015, 11:30:34 PM
how is this only game 1. damn
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 04, 2015, 11:33:29 PM
I said wow.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 04, 2015, 11:35:24 PM
Damn. What A game.

That's all.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 04, 2015, 11:35:35 PM
wow. I didn't like that lebron last shot though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 04, 2015, 11:39:39 PM
JR has lost his confidence. He's useless on offense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 04, 2015, 11:40:26 PM
So stupid. Why is thompson switching onto curry everytime.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 04, 2015, 11:43:48 PM
Cavs didn't show up for OT.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 04, 2015, 11:44:15 PM
That was the dagger
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 04, 2015, 11:44:46 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 04, 2015, 11:43:48 PM
Cavs didn't show up for OT.

Warriors went small. Cavs didn't adjust. Kerr>Blatt
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: dkdk on June 04, 2015, 11:46:49 PM
RIP Cavs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: Beezy on June 04, 2015, 11:48:37 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 04, 2015, 10:19:47 PM
Golden State loses.

bron's mindset translated for our cac friends;

Gang Starr- Battle with Lyrics:

make sure to like this post when we win.

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 04, 2015, 10:24:24 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 04, 2015, 10:23:22 PM
Bron too busy throwing up bricks and airballs.

Oh yeah flyweight? Who winnin?

You played ball right? Fear sinning deep  this game. GS ain't ready.
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 04, 2015, 10:33:25 PM
Drive and get that glory.

GS ain't ready

 :ufup :ufup :ufup
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 04, 2015, 11:50:34 PM
Great first game. But it kind of shows the problems the Cavs would have had anyway. Simply not enough depth to match up with the Warriors and without kyrie that one at least minor chance they had is now gone.

And this is with an amazing game from Lebron. If he has the normal game, the law of averages dictate, I have a feeling it won't be close.

I also thought Blatt was kind of shit tonight. Especially with a playcall when the cavs had a chance to win it before ot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: eleuin on June 04, 2015, 11:53:16 PM
Quote
ESPN Stats & Info ‏@ESPNStatsInfo 2m2 minutes ago

With Kyrie Irving out, the Cavaliers have only 2 players on the floor who have scored in the 2nd half (Mozgov/LeBron)

 :dead

Cavs gonna get swept
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 04, 2015, 11:57:49 PM
lelbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 05, 2015, 12:07:36 AM
I wanna die
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2015, 12:12:12 AM
:stahp
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST)
Post by: bluemax on June 05, 2015, 12:16:32 AM
The factory of sadness.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 05, 2015, 12:26:52 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 04, 2015, 11:50:34 PM
Great first game. But it kind of shows the problems the Cavs would have had anyway. Simply not enough depth to match up with the Warriors and without kyrie that one at least minor chance they had is now gone.
he didn't play great tonight, 2/8 from deep, 10/22 from the field but...yeah that's 23 points, 7 boards, 6 assists, 44 minutes they now have to account for

and they only played 8 dudes tonight. 6 of whom scored. 5 if you don't count Thompson's lone field goal
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST)
Post by: Kara on June 05, 2015, 12:40:05 AM
Three more Shinobi. :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST)
Post by: Mandark on June 05, 2015, 01:03:15 AM
AiA, are you okay?  Post and tell someone in the thread they never played so we'll know you're alright.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2015, 02:03:19 AM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on June 05, 2015, 12:26:52 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 04, 2015, 11:50:34 PM
Great first game. But it kind of shows the problems the Cavs would have had anyway. Simply not enough depth to match up with the Warriors and without kyrie that one at least minor chance they had is now gone.
he didn't play great tonight, 2/8 from deep, 10/22 from the field but...yeah that's 23 points, 7 boards, 6 assists, 44 minutes they now have to account for

and they only played 8 dudes tonight. 6 of whom scored. 5 if you don't count Thompson's lone field goal

This is why I didn't buy into the bench/supporting cast. I always felt them getting to the finals said more about Lebron than it did about them as a "team". Thompson is a good rebounder but offensively limited. JR smith on offense is the most predictable thing ever. It's always an iso stepback jumper. Shump is a good defensive player but offensively limited other than for wide open 3's. Mozgov is a good center so that's nice but its not a difference maker at least when they have bogut and other players on the other side who match up relatively well. Then you have a lot of utter crap. James Jones shouldn't be in the league anymore. Marion seems to have completely fallen into the doghouse or is just considered washed up although I'd much prefer his defense to whatever Jones throws out there. Mike Miller was a wasted signing. Perk was a wasted signing. Delladova is what he is but against the Warriors he's a horrible matchup. He's awful defensively and needs help to get his shot. The rest of the bench isn't worth mentioning.

With a healthy kyrie and Love it would have been a fun series and I'd probably favor them. But it always felt like they had no chance once everybody got hurt. Hell I think they should be proud. This might be the best game they play this series but its not going to be enough.

It's a nice story to celebrate them getting to the finals in the East. And it takes nothing away from Shump and JR smith because they are giving it their best. But they are outmanned and outgunned except for Lebron. Maybe next year. They need a deeper bench obviously. Cut most of those guys. And establish something on offensive other than Lebron iso, because while that's a really good thing to have, it doesn't work against a complete team in a series in the finals. It's been demonstrated so often now. 

It will be Year 2 for Blatt. Let's see that offense he was supposed to excel at, otherwise it might as well be any other random nba coach. It can't be just enough to get through the east because this is the 2nd year in a row it's not going to work. You have to match up with what the best of the western conference teams are doing. They need a style change.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 05, 2015, 09:35:00 AM
Must have been an easy practice week for the cavs. Just Lebron working on iso's.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 05, 2015, 12:03:47 PM
Just remembered last night when a sports team I care for makes the championship game, I don't actually watch the game. I just casually check the score every 10 minutes and imagine what is happening.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 05, 2015, 12:05:45 PM
Quote from: Brehvolution on June 05, 2015, 09:35:00 AM
Must have been an easy practice week for the cavs. Just Lebron working on iso's.

To be fair nobody else was doing dick. He can't keep this up. Warriors in 5. :snoop
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 05, 2015, 12:10:40 PM
AiA the fuck bro
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST)
Post by: Steve Contra on June 05, 2015, 12:22:26 PM
We'll crush Lebron's spirit like we did with Harden.

"That's a nice game you had there, shame if someone was to beat you anyway"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 05, 2015, 01:03:23 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 05, 2015, 12:10:40 PM
AiA the fuck bro

Lebron can't beat the Warriors 5 on 1. Kyrie is pretty much done. Luck isn't with us this year. Stupid Cleveland curse.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 05, 2015, 01:11:51 PM
Can't believe you're giving up already. JR Smith hasn't even elbowed anyone and Delladova hasn't broken anyone's ankle yet. There's still time to create new injuries.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST)
Post by: dkdk on June 05, 2015, 02:22:33 PM
Lebron stans coming back to reality  :obama
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 05, 2015, 02:30:21 PM
Lebron's going to fight his heart out, but it just won't be enough unless JR, Shump, and Delly show up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2015, 03:33:15 PM
JR Smith will get better. Rihanna can't come to every game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2015, 03:45:21 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 05, 2015, 02:30:21 PM
Lebron's going to fight his heart out, but it just won't be enough unless JR, Shump, and Delly show up.

It won't matter. Think about how deep the Warriors are. They are NOT playing David Lee because they have better options. That's just an abundance of depth.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 05, 2015, 03:59:02 PM
Oh I know.  Thus I'm sticking to my Warriors in 6 prediction
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 1 - 9:00 EST)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 05, 2015, 04:37:30 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2015, 02:03:19 AM
It will be Year 2 for Blatt. Let's see that offense he was supposed to excel at, otherwise it might as well be any other random nba coach. It can't be just enough to get through the east because this is the 2nd year in a row it's not going to work. You have to match up with what the best of the western conference teams are doing. They need a style change
yeah, this made me rethink potential matchups the Cavs would be facing coming out of the West these next few years, Memphis/OKC/Clippers/GS, and I just can't think of any scenario where I'd confidently choose Cleveland -as the roster stands right now- in a best of 7. depending on how these playoffs affect Kyrie in the long term, I'm not even certain they won't breeze through the East; what with an ostensibly healthy Paul George in Indiana and a loaded Chicago team that had a very real chance of ousting them in the second round just weeks ago
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST)
Post by: Mandark on June 05, 2015, 05:30:42 PM
Fractured kneecap for Kyrie.  Feels like there have been a ton of injuries to key players this year, both regular season and playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 05, 2015, 05:42:44 PM
Quote from: Mandark on June 05, 2015, 05:30:42 PM
Fractured kneecap for Kyrie.  Feels like there have been a ton of injuries to key players this year, both regular season and playoffs.

 :brazilcry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 05, 2015, 05:44:16 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 05, 2015, 05:42:44 PM
Quote from: Mandark on June 05, 2015, 05:30:42 PM
Fractured kneecap for Kyrie.  Feels like there have been a ton of injuries to key players this year, both regular season and playoffs.

 :brazilcry

Remind me to goad you into massive shit talking before the 2016 elections, breh

:heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2015, 05:44:55 PM
Well that's over.

Probably should have kept Wiggins...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 05, 2015, 05:47:03 PM
I'm also honestly not sure that even a Cavs team with a healthy Kyrie and K-Love beats anyone coming out of the West the next 2-3 years.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 05, 2015, 08:58:27 PM
:tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST/Kyrie-Fractured kneecap)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 06, 2015, 01:50:28 AM
Much respect to Kyrie. Dude played hurt all post-season but his body finally broke down.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST/Kyrie-Fractured kneecap)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 06, 2015, 03:27:30 PM
Ultimately I'm happy for the Cavs, and I think that anyone that gives Lebron shit for losing a finals again is foolish.  He's played out of his mind on an injury ridden team.  We'll see what happens next season with their roster.  They have to, HAVE to, strengthen their bench.  Get rid of Miller, Marion, Perk, Haywood, and Andy V.  Maybe get Ray Allen, Mo Williams, Koufus, Robin Lopez?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST/Kyrie-Fractured kneecap)
Post by: benjipwns on June 06, 2015, 11:20:38 PM
2K's already called the series:
(http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/534021245384574331/66A15AF9F8EB129D0651BA60ED40A14E4C3D360F/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95&fit=inside|1024:576&composite-to=*,*|1024:576&background-color=black)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST/Kyrie-Fractured kneecap)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 07, 2015, 08:58:21 PM
Lebron won't die without a fuckin' fight
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST/Kyrie-Fractured kneecap)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 07, 2015, 10:42:41 PM
I see the score obviously but how has the game gone?

I got busy with some shit and wasn't able to watch until now  :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST/Kyrie-Fractured kneecap)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 07, 2015, 10:49:50 PM
I tune in and JR immediately makes two bad fouls
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST/Kyrie-Fractured kneecap)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2015, 10:54:36 PM
Wow. Stunning choke job.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST/Kyrie-Fractured kneecap)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2015, 10:59:14 PM
Jackson campaigning for the job.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST/Kyrie-Fractured kneecap)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 07, 2015, 11:08:00 PM
Terrible missed called there but then terrible missed layup attempt by shump.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST/Kyrie-Fractured kneecap)
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 07, 2015, 11:13:36 PM
this shit is ridiculous
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST/Kyrie-Fractured kneecap)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 07, 2015, 11:14:50 PM
Well I rarely see Blatt call a good play out of a timeout and I have a feeling it won't be the case here. It's just going to be Lebron iso and then try to drive.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST/Kyrie-Fractured kneecap)
Post by: Yulwei on June 07, 2015, 11:19:42 PM
Cavs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST/Kyrie-Fractured kneecap)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 07, 2015, 11:19:59 PM
Crazy game. I wish I had watched the whole thing but glad I caught the finale.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST/Kyrie-Fractured kneecap)
Post by: El Babua on June 07, 2015, 11:21:00 PM
Sloppy ass game from both teams. If CLE shot better, there wouldn't be an overtime.

Getting interesting. Lets see how the Warriors respond.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST/Kyrie-Fractured kneecap)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 07, 2015, 11:22:10 PM
I still think the Warriors will win the series but they are kinda lucky to not be down 0-2 right now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST/Kyrie-Fractured kneecap)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 07, 2015, 11:24:17 PM
Awful awful officiating.  Lebron had been mugged the last few times he went to the basket and nothing was called
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST/Kyrie-Fractured kneecap)
Post by: dkdk on June 07, 2015, 11:24:21 PM
cavs don't have the bodies to win this series. they will be spent by game 4.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST/Kyrie-Fractured kneecap)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 07, 2015, 11:25:49 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 07, 2015, 11:24:17 PM
Awful awful officiating.  Lebron had been mugged the last few times he went to the basket and nothing was called

It is what it is. Playoff basketball tends to freeze those whistles some times. We'll see how it goes in Cleveland with a partisan pro Cleveland crowd and see if they get more calls there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST/Kyrie-Fractured kneecap)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 07, 2015, 11:32:02 PM
Looking at the box score Steph was 2 of 15 from 3 point range. Was he just incredibly cold or taking bad shots or did the Cavs do anything interesting with him on defense?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST/Kyrie-Fractured kneecap)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2015, 11:32:29 PM
Man while the Cavs have to feel good about gutting out the win...at the same time GS shot horribly, Curry had one of his worst games of the season, LeBron had a huge game...and they still BARELY won. That has to give them pause, to put it lightly.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST/Kyrie-Fractured kneecap)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 07, 2015, 11:36:13 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2015, 11:32:29 PM
Man while the Cavs have to feel good about gutting out the win...at the same time GS shot horribly, Curry had one of his worst games of the season, LeBron had a huge game...and they still BARELY won. That has to give them pause, to put it lightly.

I don't look it that way purely although I see how you can. I see two games where the Warriors should really be kind of blitzing away and out-gunning the Cavs especially on their home court but for whatever reasons they haven't.

I mean its highly unlikely that steph will shoot that bad again but looking at the box score the Cavs shot 32.6% and won. I mean I don't quite get how that happens from a box score perspective and the game is even close. But I didn't see 85% of the game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST/Kyrie-Fractured kneecap)
Post by: dkdk on June 07, 2015, 11:43:55 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2015, 11:32:29 PM
Man while the Cavs have to feel good about gutting out the win...at the same time GS shot horribly, Curry had one of his worst games of the season, LeBron had a huge game...and they still BARELY won. That has to give them pause, to put it lightly.

nah they take it anyway they can. just gotta find 3 more of em. current proceedings should encourage them.

if the warriors play even decently they lose tho.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST/Kyrie-Fractured kneecap)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2015, 11:44:14 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 07, 2015, 11:32:02 PM
Looking at the box score Steph was 2 of 15 from 3 point range. Was he just incredibly cold or taking bad shots or did the Cavs do anything interesting with him on defense?
Dellagoona played tight, good defense. Fought through screens and switches all night.

You're right that there are other ways to look at it. Hell you could argue the Cavs were a couple bounces away from being up 2-0. But damn they almost gave this one away multiple times, despite GS being cold.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 2 - Sunday 8:00 EST/Kyrie-Fractured kneecap)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 07, 2015, 11:50:02 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2015, 11:44:14 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 07, 2015, 11:32:02 PM
Looking at the box score Steph was 2 of 15 from 3 point range. Was he just incredibly cold or taking bad shots or did the Cavs do anything interesting with him on defense?
Dellagoona played tight, good defense. Fought through screens and switches all night.

You're right that there are other ways to look at it. Hell you could argue the Cavs were a couple bounces away from being up 2-0. But damn they almost gave this one away multiple times, despite GS being cold.

That's kinda crazy. I was upset with Shump because I felt like he wasn't fighting through screens very well in game 1 and was constantly switching thompson onto Curry. I thought Curry would have a field day with Delladova but one game and all that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 07, 2015, 11:55:41 PM
It's crazy, but the Cavs are just a missed shot from being up 2-0 going back home.

Still, Walrus

:umad
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 07, 2015, 11:59:45 PM
The games have been tight, you can play the "if only" game to make it any scenario you want, really.

I still favor the Warriors though. They have a better coach and Lebron has to gas at some point. GS will have that game where they shoot 50% with 9 threes. Law of averages and all that.

I just want Cleveland to win because it's a better story. It will be strange if GS wins and Steph Curry plays like crap. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 08, 2015, 12:02:52 AM
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CG8tBidVIAI43Q7.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2015, 12:24:17 AM
Who takes the bigger L if the Cavs win, Walrus...or Carmelo.

:leon
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 08, 2015, 12:48:58 AM
both
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Yulwei on June 08, 2015, 12:50:19 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 08, 2015, 12:02:52 AM
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CG8tBidVIAI43Q7.png)

god damn
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 08, 2015, 06:53:55 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on June 08, 2015, 12:03:31 AM
How is Cleveland winning anything a good story?

Aside from the possibility of losing Stoney to auto-erotic asphyxiation, I don't see the upside.

It's a huge story and if you don't realize it you're a moron.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 08, 2015, 06:58:54 AM
 lol  this like me and PD followed by Walrus coming up at a BORE meetup.

(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--dxBoSEqN--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/sswtw8srlpkqedz5jiw1.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 08, 2015, 11:06:58 AM
Quote
The NBA Finals Game 2 got a 12.9/22 in metered market results – that’s up 26% from when LeBron and the Miami Heat beat the San Antonio Spurs in Game 2 of the 2014 NBA Finals. It is also the best a NBA Game 2 has done since 1998 in MM results and, hence, the best a Game 2 has ever done on ABC since they started showing the series back in 2003. The previous Game 2 high on ABC was the 12.3 that the L.A. Lakers and the Detroit Pistons snagged back in 2004.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Kara on June 08, 2015, 11:13:00 AM
I believe it, the game was even a bfd in the effing hipster eatery in Old Orange I ate at last night.

SoCal Warriors lifelongs. :iface
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 08, 2015, 11:13:54 AM
thats awesome
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 08, 2015, 03:02:43 PM
Quote from: Vularai on June 08, 2015, 11:13:00 AM
I believe it, the game was even a bfd in the effing hipster eatery in Old Orange I ate at last night.

SoCal Warriors lifelongs. :iface

Oh you mean all the Lakers, Clippers, Warriors lifelong fans?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Steve Contra on June 08, 2015, 03:12:22 PM
I know you're a Warrior's lifelong in the bay if you're a Filipino dude who listens to rap.  Everyone else is sus.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2015, 07:22:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bco14wxA4jQ

gotta love local fans.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 08, 2015, 08:46:36 PM
kobe never got superstar calls
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: benjipwns on June 09, 2015, 03:50:50 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8QVxLLnZEk
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 09, 2015, 11:15:34 AM
It's the playoffs. People get beat on. Unsure why this is such a large issue today?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2015, 11:25:24 AM
There are often moments in playoff games where the star doesn't get the call everyone expects him to get...but seeing multiple against LeBron like that was weird.

BTW him losing the ball dribbling was one of the weirdest things I've ever seen from a star player...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 09, 2015, 12:55:45 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2015, 11:25:24 AM
There are often moments in playoff games where the star doesn't get the call everyone expects him to get...but seeing multiple against LeBron like that was weird.

BTW him losing the ball dribbling was one of the weirdest things I've ever seen from a star player...

I was at a regular season Bulls/Warriors game way back in the day where a pissed off Michael Jordan kept hitting Pippen in the back with passes for like 2 plays in a row. It was pretty funny.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2015, 01:40:46 PM
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/whats-next-for-kevin-love/

Quote
This Finals run, to me, is more about LeBron’s singular talent than Love, Irving, offensive rebounding, or anything else. No other player in the league could drag this team where LeBron has dragged it. There may be only three or four guys in NBA history who could have done it.

Slot Carmelo Anthony, Paul George, James Harden, or Blake Griffin into LeBron’s place: Are the Cavs even getting by Chicago in the second round?

 :jawalrus
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 09, 2015, 02:38:52 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on June 09, 2015, 01:54:23 PM
Yeah, I'd expect the Cavs to still run the East with Harden swapped in for LeBron.

You're nuts.

Only other guy who might be able to carry these cavs to the finals would be a healthy Durant.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 09, 2015, 02:46:41 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on June 09, 2015, 01:54:23 PM
Yeah, I'd expect the Cavs to still run the East with Harden swapped in for LeBron.

fuck out of here
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 09, 2015, 03:04:44 PM
Friends don't let friends fall for low-grade trolling.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 09, 2015, 05:23:48 PM
With that out of the way

Really excited for tonight.  Irrationally hopefully Cavs can win both their home games

Shut up let me dream
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2015, 08:43:23 PM
Should be interesting game. Although until I posted that ratings blurb, I forgot that last year's Spurs series was also close the first two games, and then the spurs turned it on. Nobody remembers that after the decimation they gave the heat.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Mandark on June 09, 2015, 08:49:36 PM
Yeah, if LeBron doesn't cramp up that one game, the Heat could've been up 2-0.  The OKC series had some wild swings too, where the Thunder looked good with Ibaka in the lineup before the Spurs just found another gear.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2015, 09:18:20 PM
Bogut passes the ball at some really weird moments. Take the shot...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2015, 09:18:47 PM
So weird to watch Lebron be so aggressive on offense. It's so different from his normal playstyle.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2015, 09:31:55 PM
Was just about to make a post about them being fucked if James Jones has to play any real minutes and he just got a 4 point play. I still stand by it though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2015, 09:34:55 PM
So crazy to me that Marion just isn't usable apparently.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2015, 09:38:02 PM
ugly first quarter for both teams
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2015, 09:47:29 PM
It takes injuries for Blatt to actually use his bench.

 :mindblown
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: milchs evil twin on June 09, 2015, 09:48:45 PM
I guess I should've asked this years ago, but why does it seem like all American sports rely on switching players in and out throughout the game?

For instance, why wouldn't basketball work with a rule similar to soccer with a limited number of substitutions? Too many games, too much speed, whatever?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2015, 09:54:10 PM
I think American sports fan value specialization and perceived quality over utility and continuous flow in their sports. Despite the occasional carping, the breaks and the commercials are something that don't overly bother us.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2015, 10:06:48 PM
Kerr trying to bring David Lee out of his bag of tracks. Warriors just incredibly cold. Part of it is the defense but part of it is they are just being forced to have people like Draymond Green shot the open three's instead of Klay and Steph.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2015, 10:13:40 PM
I mean the Warriors should be happy to be down almost nothing here. They have played god damn awful. It feels like the Cavs should be up 15 but its anybody's game at half.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: dkdk on June 09, 2015, 10:17:20 PM
Quote from: milchs evil twin on June 09, 2015, 09:48:45 PM
I guess I should've asked this years ago, but why does it seem like all American sports rely on switching players in and out throughout the game?

For instance, why wouldn't basketball work with a rule similar to soccer with a limited number of substitutions? Too many games, too much speed, whatever?

because the players would die of exhaustion and injuries if basketball was like that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: milchs evil twin on June 09, 2015, 10:18:58 PM
Quote from: dkdk on June 09, 2015, 10:17:20 PM
Quote from: milchs evil twin on June 09, 2015, 09:48:45 PM
I guess I should've asked this years ago, but why does it seem like all American sports rely on switching players in and out throughout the game?

For instance, why wouldn't basketball work with a rule similar to soccer with a limited number of substitutions? Too many games, too much speed, whatever?

because the players would die of exhaustion and injuries if basketball was like that.

Well, then, maybe you should make your sports more boring. The European Way!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2015, 10:19:41 PM
Dellagoona deserves credit. Loving how he's denying the ball.

Why doesn't Marion get minutes? Seems like he could be effective.

Overall the game is being played at the Cavs' pace and on their terms. Despite LeBron missing a multitude of easy baskets.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 09, 2015, 10:22:19 PM
It'll be perfect if the Warriors lose because they couldn't figure out how to handle an Australian goon bench player
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2015, 10:26:08 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/z3gSwRV.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Mandark on June 09, 2015, 10:28:58 PM
Quote from: milchs evil twin on June 09, 2015, 09:48:45 PM
For instance, why wouldn't basketball work with a rule similar to soccer with a limited number of substitutions? Too many games, too much speed, whatever?

Basketball could be done that way and soccer could be done with unlimited substitutions, it would just change the way the game is played.  You'd see soccer players doing full-out sprints more, and basketball teams running simpler offenses and sagging off on defense.

It's probably not a coincidence that baseball, the oldest of the big North American sports, is the one which doesn't allow players to re-enter a game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 09, 2015, 10:33:56 PM
Goon is slaughtering them now

:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2015, 10:34:46 PM
Delledova

 :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2015, 10:37:08 PM
"If we had a draft right now, I'd take Delladova over Curry, no questions asked"
(http://i.imgur.com/yQKax4z.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: milchs evil twin on June 09, 2015, 10:43:47 PM
Been watching since halftime.

So overmatched :D
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Your Stalker on June 09, 2015, 10:44:29 PM
It'd be funny if he won FMVP.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2015, 10:44:50 PM
Man it feels like Barnes and Green are taking every god damn shot for the Warriors.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: dkdk on June 09, 2015, 10:45:15 PM
warriors getting the pipe right now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 09, 2015, 10:48:25 PM
I don't think I've ever watched a sporting event where I get a significant sample size of play and still don't believe what I am seeing.

Quote from: The Walrus on June 09, 2015, 10:46:42 PM
Avatar gone. Sometimes you have to check your ego when it's clear that you're holding your boys back. Hopefully it's not too late.

Nooo. You have a chance to make history and erase 50+ years of Cleveland misfortune. Don't turn your back on your destiny.




Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: milchs evil twin on June 09, 2015, 10:50:14 PM
Bloodbath
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2015, 10:50:26 PM
 :gladbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2015, 10:56:51 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on June 09, 2015, 10:46:42 PM
Avatar gone. Sometimes you have to check your ego when it's clear that you're holding your boys back. Hopefully it's not too late.

Trust me, if the Cavs win you'll always have an avatar...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Mandark on June 09, 2015, 11:00:32 PM
Cavs defense on Curry is so good.  Off the ball, he's not getting open running around screens.  On the ball, they're doubling and trapping him and even though he's a good enough passer to find the open man out of it, his teammates aren't making them pay.  Cavs have to feel great any time Draymond or Barnes takes a shot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: milchs evil twin on June 09, 2015, 11:02:03 PM
Holy crap they're wearing stripper pants on the bench?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2015, 11:03:11 PM
Here comes a cleveland let down to make it close.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2015, 11:03:29 PM
GS comes back right after Walrus lifts the curse :heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2015, 11:04:02 PM
Take James Jones out of the game. He doesn't know what he is doing on defense. He has no clue. All he can do is shoot. I don't understand why Blatt can't see that. Anybody is better.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: eleuin on June 09, 2015, 11:06:24 PM
Walrus mentions cavs depth and the rest of the team sans lebron can't do shit
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 09, 2015, 11:07:35 PM
I think only once this playoffs the Cavs have run away with a game. It's been an annoyance to me all season really.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2015, 11:14:56 PM
Lebron needs to go earlier in the clock. All that waiting is just letting them settle in. And he has to drive or post. Waiting for them to be baited on his bad jumper ain't gonna work.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: milchs evil twin on June 09, 2015, 11:18:58 PM
Furk
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2015, 11:22:34 PM
I don't understand that Thompson switch onto curry every time. It's terrible. Stop doing that Cavs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2015, 11:29:35 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2015, 11:14:56 PM
Lebron needs to go earlier in the clock. All that waiting is just letting them settle in. And he has to drive or post. Waiting for them to be baited on his bad jumper ain't gonna work.
That shit is baffling and has happened so many times this quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2015, 11:30:12 PM
Delladova my god. This is like some Rudy shit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 09, 2015, 11:36:50 PM
From GAF thread:

"If CLE wins this, Delly gonna get upgraded to a black-people handshake from LBJ after the game!!"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2015, 11:37:05 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2015, 11:29:35 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2015, 11:14:56 PM
Lebron needs to go earlier in the clock. All that waiting is just letting them settle in. And he has to drive or post. Waiting for them to be baited on his bad jumper ain't gonna work.
That shit is baffling and has happened so many times this quarter.

I get it happening occasionally due to the nature of their offense being so Lebron-centric and everything being on him. I just don't understand why blatt occasionally doesn't help and actually call something other than the basic set. But it is what it is.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: milchs evil twin on June 09, 2015, 11:47:18 PM
Announcer mad about the reffing :D
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2015, 11:47:46 PM
I was gonna say why didn't they just review it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 09, 2015, 11:50:08 PM
Just think, the Warriors could have won that game if Walrus gets rid of the avatar at half time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2015, 11:51:43 PM
Insane game. Looks like we got a finals. I still think either side could take it but for the first time I think the Cavs can actually win it. Steph was insane down the stretch there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Mandark on June 09, 2015, 11:52:46 PM
Dellavedova's performance is the most insane thing involving an Australian I saw today, and I watched Fury Road before the game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2015, 11:55:43 PM
Harrison Barnes 0-8
Draymond Green 2-10
Klay 6-16

Just crazy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 3 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 09, 2015, 11:56:11 PM
Only 2 more games away from never having to watch that tired 'Cleveland sports heartbreak' highlight reel again.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 4 - Thursday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2015, 12:02:17 AM
Quote
Most Points in First 3 Games, NBA Finals History

2015  LeBron James  123
1967  Rick Barry         122
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 4 - Thursday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2015, 12:23:49 AM
Quote
Kobe Bryant
@kobebryant

Cavs playing as if their life is on the line G.S playing as if they have more #NBAFinals down the line #ThisIsNOW #competitionIsEverything 3m

 :jawalrus
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 4 - Thursday 9:00 EST)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 10, 2015, 12:37:41 AM
The Clippers must be sitting at home punching holes in a wall watching the rest of the playoffs. I think they would have bodied any of these teams left.



Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 4 - Thursday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 10, 2015, 12:47:53 AM
lmao, I wonder if this will come up on The Herd tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/ESPN_Colin/status/607712403623710720
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 4 - Thursday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Kara on June 10, 2015, 01:03:56 AM
GS is Konex. :ohhh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 4 - Thursday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2015, 03:39:57 AM
Quote
Dellavedova experienced "severe cramping," per the Cavs, and required an IV after putting up 20 points in 39 minutes. He was able to walk under his own power to the parking garage at Quicken Loans Arena, where he was placed on a stretcher and taken by ambulance to the Cleveland Clinic. He was admitted to receive additional treatment.


The Cavaliers said they would provide an update on his status Wednesday.

 :kobeyuck

Jesus.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 4 - Thursday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 10, 2015, 06:51:16 AM
The minute you realize this guy

(https://i.imgflip.com/lixuv.jpg)


Is killing Steph Curry.


Also Draymond Green playing himself right out of a max contract.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 4 - Thursday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 10, 2015, 07:17:50 AM
The GOAT recognizes the GOAT

https://twitter.com/sportsnation/status/608443595734052864

That shit is classy on LBJ's part, chills up your spine type shit.

In before;

Quote from: Walrus
Jim Brown ranks behind Barry Sanders and every cowboy running back ever
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 4 - Thursday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 10, 2015, 08:05:25 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on June 10, 2015, 12:37:41 AM
The Clippers must be sitting at home punching holes in a wall watching the rest of the playoffs. I think they would have bodied any of these teams left.

Nah based delle would have got chris paul ejected and suspended already and Austin Rivers would be regularly putting up 2-11, 2 assist, 5 turnover games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 4 - Thursday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2015, 12:51:12 PM
Quote
Unlike the first two games of the NBA Finals (5.8/18) this year, there was no overtime last night as the Cleveland Cavaliers topped the Golden State Warriors 96-91 despite a 4th Quarter surge from the West Coast team. However, similar to the first two games of this year’s series, what there was in Quicken Loans Arena in Ohio on Tuesday night was another record breaker for ABC. Not only have the first three games of the basketball finals proved the best ABC has ever done ratingswise since they started showing the NBA title fight in 2003 but in metered market results, Game 3 delivered a 13.7 rating – the best any NBA Finals Game 3 has ever done for the network. Last night’s Cavs’ win, which gives them two Games to the Warrior’s one victory, was up 10% from the previous Game 3 record holder of the 2004 battle between the L.A. Lakers and the Detroit Pistons. Compared to last year’s Game 3 court match-up between the Miami Heat and the San Antonio Spurs, last night’s game leap up 33% in MM results.


Quote
Cavaliers guard Matthew Dellavedova will be discharged from the Cleveland Clinic later Wednesday after being treated for dehydration following Game 3 of the NBA Finals on Tuesday night, according to league sources.

Sources told ESPN.com that Dellavedova is scheduled to meet the media later Wednesday after spending the night at the ‎hospital. The Cavaliers said they would provide an update "shortly before" an afternoon practice at the arena.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 4 - Thursday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 10, 2015, 12:59:39 PM
Curry's shooting issues were cause by the slight dizziness from shaking his head the whole game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 4 - Thursday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2015, 01:21:43 PM
Thoughts so far.

It's stunning the Cavs have won two games. They have so many flaws with their current implementation obviously because of the injuries. JR smith literally is the most predictable thing in the world. You can just go send everybody to rebound when he has the ball because you know its a stepback fall away 3.

Thompson is only a rebounder at this point. He never looks for any offense and everything he gets comes from tip in or offensive rebound lay-ins.

Mozgov has been eliminated as a factor on offense for the most part like last game because it was obvious he was the only thing working besides Lebron. So they just crowd him now and make him lose the ball on tough inside passes.

They never seemingly draw up an actual play in any situation that requires it. It's just iso and have a few guys cut and maybe Lebron will make a risky pass to them but he probably won't and will instead attempt a shot.

Early in the game delladova or shump occasioanlly help bring up the ball which allows Lebron to try to get post position himself but inexplicably they go away from it in the 4th quarter and have Lebron bring up the ball nearly every time. This stagnates the offense because he has to try to drive from the top of the key against a set defense that is just waiting for it and doesn't have to move.
 
James Jones is just a defensive nightmare. I can't believe he is actually playing.

I'm not really sure what Blatt is doing other than being a timeout manager. He barely even manages substitutions unless somebody gets hurt.

Lebron James is playing every minute and the offense is so predicatable and lethargic most of the time until he rests for a minutes or 2 and then you realize how truly abysmal it is without him and why he has to play almost every single minute.

It's barely recognizable as basketball. They almost never actually make more than a few passes on any set and many of those are just resets back to Lebron.

All that insane shit and the Warriors are down 2-1 and it could have been 3-0. One of the most baffling things I've seen in my entire lifetime of watching basketball.

I keep thinking the Warriors have to figure this out and kill the Cavs at any moment because that's the way basketball works and there is still a good chance they will and do that very thing but wow at this moment.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 4 - Thursday 9:00 EST)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 10, 2015, 01:22:08 PM
I'm happy that these Finals are killing it in the ratings.  I think there was some fatigue with the Heat and the Spurs the last few years
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 4 - Thursday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2015, 01:33:40 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2015/06/issuing_respect_and_apology_th.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 4 - Thursday 9:00 EST)
Post by: benjipwns on June 10, 2015, 10:25:14 PM
https://twitter.com/kobebryant/status/608491696708423680
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 4 - Thursday 9:00 EST)
Post by: benjipwns on June 10, 2015, 11:35:18 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGsqQEGU8AAW1xV.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 4 - Thursday 9:00 EST)
Post by: benjipwns on June 10, 2015, 11:35:56 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHHXHNbWgAEOT7U.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jm1TDuXkt0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jm1TDuXkt0)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 4 - Thursday 9:00 EST)
Post by: benjipwns on June 11, 2015, 12:11:02 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOw95bLv1dQ

such a mouth, Walrus fits in perfectly with these fans :yuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 4 - Thursday 9:00 EST)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 11, 2015, 12:43:36 AM
Check out this montage of Bogut setting picks.

http://streamable.com/hvy6

:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 4 - Thursday 9:00 EST)
Post by: benjipwns on June 11, 2015, 12:54:01 AM
The elbow to the head one was a nice touch since the elbow came after the pick. :lol

After watching it loop a few times, there's some decent examples of how good the Cavs D has been in this too. They don't give a shit about the roll man until Curry (and on one instance, Thompson) gives up the ball. Then they drop back and switch except for Thompson's man.

EDIT: I do wonder if that's not a reason to give David Lee some more burn, which they did in game three, since he can pop that long two a bit. Cavs seem quite willing to let Draymond, Bogut, Ezeli and Barnes try to beat their switches.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 4 - Thursday 9:00 EST)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 11, 2015, 10:29:20 AM
I bet Lee will play heavy heavy minutes in game 4.  At this point Golden State shouldn't be focused on being all-around; they need their offense to do more.  Cleveland is going to struggle to get points regardless, so might as well just try and beat them with smaller lineups and an offensive-oriented guy like Lee.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 4 - Thursday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Mandark on June 11, 2015, 11:09:33 AM
When they had Lee in the pick and roll, the Cavs started switching rather than trapping Curry, because they were worried about an unguarded Lee having the ball in a 4-on-3.  There was a lot of Tristan Thompson switching onto Curry, and that's a matchup Curry should just light on fire (https://twitter.com/SethPartnow/status/601620342570938368).

The downside is if you wind up with Lee as the primary rim defender, or dragged into defending the pick and roll himself.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 4 - Thursday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 11, 2015, 02:00:55 PM
I expect big adjustments in whatever manner because Steve Kerr is a smart coach and the team will be incredibly desperate tonight obviously to not go down 3-1.

This should be the best version of the Warriors tonight. High probability they should win this one.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 4 - Thursday 9:00 EST)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 11, 2015, 09:55:05 PM
so the dubs finally remembered how to offense
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 4 - Thursday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 11, 2015, 11:08:55 PM
Yes. Anybody with a brain. He's a good solid rebounder. Nothing more. Nothing less. He's a good player. That's not a slight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 4 - Thursday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 11, 2015, 11:10:56 PM
Just got home although I watched the first half over a friend's. As expected the Warriors have looked much better tonight. Lebron wasn't having a great half even before the cut. And the shots that were falling for the Cavs in earlier games just haven't been tonight.

Warriors have been in control all night despite the relatively small lead going into the 4th. It feels bigger.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 4 - Thursday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 11, 2015, 11:27:42 PM
The Cavs kind of over-reacted to that Deli game the prior night. He has been pretty awful tonight. I think he tried to do too much instead of just picking his spots and doing stuff if he needed to. Tonight he was too aggressive.

Looks like things are going to be evened up. 3 games left. 2 at home for the Warriors. Not a bad position to be in for how they've played much of this series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 4 - Thursday 9:00 EST)
Post by: naff on June 11, 2015, 11:48:38 PM
First game i've managed to watch. Bad viewing angles on shitty work laptops :rejoice

Feel relieved. It's friday afternoon here, great start to the weekend.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 5 - Sunday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 11, 2015, 11:50:42 PM
Not an unexpected result but not a great sign if you are a Cavs fan. Things reverting back to the mean isn't a good look for the Cavs. And If it comes down to average results for both teams and coaching, its looking rosy for the Warriors.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 5 - Sunday 9:00 EST)
Post by: dkdk on June 12, 2015, 12:01:12 AM
cavs are gassed. if they dont steal game 5 w/ that extra day of rest they fucked.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 5 - Sunday 9:00 EST)
Post by: naff on June 12, 2015, 12:24:30 AM
More importantly anyone catch brons dick? Thoughts?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 5 - Sunday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 12, 2015, 12:28:50 AM
Quote from: Butt Seriously on June 12, 2015, 12:24:30 AM
More importantly anyone catch brons dick? Thoughts?

PD's probably been studying it for hours now
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 5 - Sunday 9:00 EST)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 12, 2015, 12:35:53 AM
Mozgov with 28

Kerr needs to throw Draymond and company at him early in game 5, get him in foul trouble
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 5 - Sunday 9:00 EST)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 12, 2015, 09:08:12 AM
Lebron's cock shot feels like another pivotal moment in Cleveland sports history. Right up there with the fumble, the drive and the shot.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 5 - Sunday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 12, 2015, 03:37:38 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2015/story/_/id/13065011/some-cleveland-cavaliers-feel-team-benefit-giving-more-players-minutes

Windhorst article so not sure if the sources are correct but the reality is correct either way which is why I haven't been impressed by Blatt. You are telling me that Mike Miller and Shawn Marion can't even get off the bench for a couple of minutes to spell people. He just seems to never make changes unless his hand is completely forced. I get that he is low on options in comparison to Kerr but he always coaches like he has no options.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 5 - Sunday 9:00 EST)
Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2015, 04:16:57 PM
Quote
The Detroit Pistons have acquired forward Ersan Ilyasova from the Milwaukee Bucks in exchange for forwards Caron Butler and Shawne Williams.

svg doin work

 :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 5 - Sunday 9:00 EST)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 12, 2015, 04:25:43 PM
I like Ersan's game, he's been playing shitty these past couple of seasons, hopefully a change of scenery does him some good
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 5 - Sunday 9:00 EST)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 12, 2015, 04:56:38 PM
I think Blatt's coached a great series.  Dude has made the Cavs a really good defensive team with great player to player adjustments.

Big test will be to see how he responds to Kerr's adjustments to go small.  I would continue with the starting lineup of Delly/Shump/Lebron/Thompson/Mozgov, but I would put the ball in Shumpert's hands more than Delly.  Delly's offensive is dragging because of his effort on Curry on the other end.  From the bench, they need to play Miller, Marion, and Joe Harris.  I think Harris could spark something.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 5 - Sunday 9:00 EST)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 12, 2015, 05:16:28 PM
PD:

http://deadspin.com/jason-whitlock-out-as-head-of-the-undefeated-1710977185 (http://deadspin.com/jason-whitlock-out-as-head-of-the-undefeated-1710977185)

Quote
This is a fancy way of saying Jason Whitlock is a terrible manager and an incompetent editor, and was deemed by Bristol to be incapable of successfully launching The Undefeated, but he’s still under contract so they’ll keep him around to do some other stuff where he can’t ruin other people’s careers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 5 - Sunday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2015, 06:37:27 PM
Good. Fuck em.
(http://i.imgur.com/5eOgbMA.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 5 - Sunday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 14, 2015, 01:53:49 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13074027/joel-embiid-philadelphia-76ers-suffers-setback-foot
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 5 - Sunday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 14, 2015, 05:39:39 PM
Momentum seems to have shifted depending on how you are defining momentum so it seems a tall order for the Cavs tonight. The Cavs are (obviously) struggling offensive but especially these two.

JR smith FG-30% for the series.
Shumpert FG-25% for the series.

They need something better than that from those two. The problem is the offense is so vanilla and predictable at this point, they are unlikely to do any better.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 5 - Sunday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Beezy on June 14, 2015, 07:19:21 PM
Expecting offense from Shump is lolworthy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 5 - Sunday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 14, 2015, 07:21:41 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 12, 2015, 04:16:57 PM
Quote
The Detroit Pistons have acquired forward Ersan Ilyasova from the Milwaukee Bucks in exchange for forwards Caron Butler and Shawne Williams.

svg doin work

 :rejoice

Is this guy good? Seems odd for a team to trade someone to a team within the division.

In SVG I trust tho. Anything is better than Dumars.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 5 - Sunday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Huff on June 14, 2015, 08:35:42 PM
Lololol what a flop
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 5 - Sunday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 14, 2015, 10:23:04 PM
Just got home. Been close all game
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 5 - Sunday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 14, 2015, 10:38:15 PM
Its over. Warriors just too strong against such a thin squad.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 5 - Sunday 9:00 EST)
Post by: naff on June 14, 2015, 10:54:52 PM
GSW putting up numbers like their normal selves, Curry hit some beautiful daggers. Cavs worked hard, though with GSW hitting I'd say tonight's going to look like a good effort, following the inevitable game 6 demolition.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 5 - Sunday 9:00 EST)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 14, 2015, 11:53:31 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 14, 2015, 07:21:41 PM
Is this guy good?
like Channing Frye but a much better rebounder
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 6 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: T-Short on June 16, 2015, 03:45:39 AM
Lance to Clippers for Spencer Hawes and Matt Barnes!

http://www.nba.com/2015/news/06/15/clippers-hornets-trade-wire.ap/index.html (http://www.nba.com/2015/news/06/15/clippers-hornets-trade-wire.ap/index.html)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 6 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 16, 2015, 10:43:18 AM
^ thats a weird fucking trade

Even if the Cavs lose tonight, what an awesome, batshit finals this has been.  Relatively close every game other than one, astounding performances from the best players on each team, and then random wtf storylines out of nowhere (Delly, Iggy not hitting FTs, etc).  Great in-series adjustments by Kerr.  Blatt and Lebron can only do so much with so little.  I think the fact that they took this series to 6 with Lebron + Cleveland's bench trash is a very good sign for next season when everyone is healthy.

You absolutely cannot pin this finals loss on Lebron.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 6 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 16, 2015, 11:19:56 AM
It's actually a pretty smart trade for both GM's in terms of their own PR. They get to erase the embarassment of those signings and not really be liable if their 'new' player still sucks. Plus, there is still the outside chance that one of them will regain a semblance of their old form. My bet would be on Hawes.





Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 6 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 16, 2015, 12:16:59 PM
Chris Paul is going to kill lance within the first month of next season.....
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 6 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 16, 2015, 12:22:02 PM
Actually wouldn't Chris Paul pretend like Lance killed him, and call the police?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 6 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 16, 2015, 12:54:22 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 16, 2015, 12:22:02 PM
Actually wouldn't Chris Paul pretend like Lance killed him, and call the police?

Touche'

(http://sweethoops.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/chris-paul-flopping.gif)

Ya know what, that's also a fitting representation of how Walrus argues politics. Heh....
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 6 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 16, 2015, 01:27:45 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 16, 2015, 10:43:18 AM
^ thats a weird fucking trade

Even if the Cavs lose tonight, what an awesome, batshit finals this has been.  Relatively close every game other than one, astounding performances from the best players on each team, and then random wtf storylines out of nowhere (Delly, Iggy not hitting FTs, etc).  Great in-series adjustments by Kerr.  Blatt and Lebron can only do so much with so little.  I think the fact that they took this series to 6 with Lebron + Cleveland's bench trash is a very good sign for next season when everyone is healthy.

You absolutely cannot pin this finals loss on Lebron.

Lebron has indeed played great especially for these circumstances.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 6 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 16, 2015, 01:33:40 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 16, 2015, 01:27:45 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 16, 2015, 10:43:18 AM
^ thats a weird fucking trade

Even if the Cavs lose tonight, what an awesome, batshit finals this has been.  Relatively close every game other than one, astounding performances from the best players on each team, and then random wtf storylines out of nowhere (Delly, Iggy not hitting FTs, etc).  Great in-series adjustments by Kerr.  Blatt and Lebron can only do so much with so little.  I think the fact that they took this series to 6 with Lebron + Cleveland's bench trash is a very good sign for next season when everyone is healthy.

You absolutely cannot pin this finals loss on Lebron.

Lebron has indeed played great especially for these circumstances.

Absolutely no doubt who's better between him and Kobe anymore. Put Kobe on the Cavs they don't get by Chicago. Put Lebron on those Lakers squads they still get their titles.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 6 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 16, 2015, 03:39:20 PM
Heard this stat today:

Lebron: 44 assists / 16 turnovers

Every other Cav: 37 assists / 42 turnovers


Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 6 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 16, 2015, 10:21:32 PM
Cavs started off real bad but only a 2 point game at half. Still feels like the Warriors are in control though despite whatever the score is.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 6 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: naff on June 16, 2015, 10:23:32 PM
Game is way closer than it should be. Cavs looked dead in the first quarter, GSW seemed to be cruising in the second, just letting the Cavs glide by. It's like their strategy is to let the Cavs tire themselves out then proceed to destroy in the 4th.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 6 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 16, 2015, 10:24:45 PM
Quote from: Butt Seriously on June 16, 2015, 10:23:32 PM
Game is way closer than it should be. Cavs looked dead in the first quarter, GSW seemed to be cruising in the second, just letting the Cavs glide by. It's like their strategy is to let the Cavs tire themselves out then proceed to destroy in the 4th.

Its basically been the formula for the last few games so why not.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 6 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: naff on June 16, 2015, 10:54:52 PM
Blatt halftime speech was bleak... Stuttering and talking about margin for error  :foxx
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 6 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: eleuin on June 16, 2015, 11:00:06 PM
cavs are pathetic
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 6 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: naff on June 16, 2015, 11:24:43 PM
I got a little love for their team. Blatt must be the most milquetoast coach out there though, and Dan Gilbert and his staff seem pretty daft.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 6 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: naff on June 16, 2015, 11:30:40 PM
wonder how much is just being a product of that environment, waking up to that history of failure and rust belt depression everyday gotta be hard
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 6 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Cheddahz on June 16, 2015, 11:31:11 PM
Lil B did more work than Klay Thompson did this series

He better be on that championship float
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 6 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 16, 2015, 11:35:32 PM
In retrospect, thank god the Cavs didn't win that first game. it would have been painful to watch them lose 4 in a row and make history.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 6 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 16, 2015, 11:35:46 PM
I don't blame the players. I mean one team is fully at strength and the other is a shell of itself. The early games were the abberation and the warriors figured out the easy to solve offense the cavs implemented.

I do blame Blatt to a degree though. It's just not acceptable basketball even with the injury decimation. They should get beat at least playing basketball the right way. And they haven't played basketball the right way at any point in the series. I don't care if those guys aren't very good. The ball should still move. It shouldn't look like high school basketball when Lebron goes to the bench. They were still going to always lose. But it should look better than it did in the way they lose.

One of the annoying things earlier in the series was dumb-ass reports I saw that Blatt was outcoaching Kerr. Which is the most annoying thing ever if you were actually watching the games. Let's see an actual offense next year that has motion and cutting and not just iso ball which was still the preferred style even when everybody was healthy. They have too much talent to play basketball in such a vanilla way, especially when the trends in basketball are so clear in which direction things are going. That I do blame Blatt for. I thought his coaching for most of the year was very average and counter to the reputation he had coming over.

Congrats to the Warriors though. That is one passionate fan base. And they individually will go down as one of the great single season teams ever. Let's see if they can turn it into a dynasty. It's certainly hard to pick against them. They are young and deep as fuck and have a great coach.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 6 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: benjipwns on June 16, 2015, 11:59:40 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 16, 2015, 11:35:46 PM
One of the annoying things earlier in the series was dumb-ass reports I saw that Blatt was outcoaching Kerr.
:lol

Kerr completely changed his rotation, a hundred games into the season, in the middle of a series he knew he'd probably win by attrition to lock it down.

LeBron was the second best coach in the series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 6 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: naff on June 17, 2015, 12:03:34 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 16, 2015, 11:35:46 PM
I don't blame the players. I mean one team is fully at strength and the other is a shell of itself. The early games were the abberation and the warriors figured out the easy to solve offense the cavs implemented.

Same, and i don't think anyone outside of the crazies (see Walrus) were happy seeing the Cavs get so beat up. So sad. If anyone can be blamed it's that dirty fucker kelly olynyk, and poor coaching from the Cavs.

On the other hand i just closed on the most tin ass sports bet i ever made

(http://i.imgur.com/rBszaC6.png)

 :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 17, 2015, 12:04:33 AM
Cavs didn't fold, I'll give them that. After Kyrie went down I figured they'd get destroyed 4-1 or something. I doubt they would have won with Kyrie but damn...they just might have been able to pull it off.

Next year with everyone healthy...who knows. Gotta think James is going to expect some roster changes to add more depth. You can't win shit without a bench, and barely anyone who can create their own shot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (GAME 6 - Tuesday 9:00 EST)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 17, 2015, 12:05:35 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 16, 2015, 11:59:40 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 16, 2015, 11:35:46 PM
One of the annoying things earlier in the series was dumb-ass reports I saw that Blatt was outcoaching Kerr.
:lol

Kerr completely changed his rotation, a hundred games into the season, in the middle of a series he knew he'd probably win by attrition to lock it down.

LeBron was the second best coach in the series.

 :'(

That's the way I felt. Other than managing timeouts I'm not really sure what Blatt did this series. I get it that he had a lot less options and there is no magic option that would have probably changed the series. But it was hard not to wonder how any offense could be that stagnant in this day and age injuries or not. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Mandark on June 17, 2015, 12:08:24 AM
It's weird to me that people are still dumping on Blatt.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 17, 2015, 12:10:51 AM
I'm just talking shit.

Maybe he is great and will do something amazing next season.

I wasn't really a fan of their style even before the injuries though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: benjipwns on June 17, 2015, 12:13:16 AM
Sitting Mozgov in game five was the dumb move of the series on the Cavs side. The Warriors could alter their rotation drastically because they tinkered with those lineups all year, and it didn't change the way they played any to not have Bogut/Speights/Ezeli on the floor.

I always thought that was the Mavs fuck up against the Warriors during Dirk's MVP season. Avery panicked and completely altered the rotation and style to matchup with another unorthodox Warriors squad, only the team had just got done winning 67 games one specific way. IIRC, the Mavs won the two games that Dampier/Diop played at least 30 minutes combined, especially since Diop was quicker at rotating than Dirk and both were more useful offensive rebounding than having Devean George on the floor doing absolutely nothing or Stackhouse jacking bad shots because the offense was completely out of wack.

It wasn't like this Cavs team was getting absolutely killed with Mozgov and Thompson out there. Especially since I was making as many threes as James Jones.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: benjipwns on June 17, 2015, 12:13:39 AM
Iggy is the first Finals MVP to have zero starts during the regular season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Mandark on June 17, 2015, 12:17:45 AM
I dunno, this feels like some sports radio call-in coaching critique.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: benjipwns on June 17, 2015, 12:20:40 AM
Blatt didn't show any leadership, he didn't find the motivation for the team, he needed something like a bowl of paper like Pat Riley used in 2006. He's just not the kind of coach who can give a team a championship mentality because he has no experience. Kerr played with the best ever, so he has that lineage that makes other players stand up and listen when he speaks.

I think it's important that the Cavs find a coach who has that championship mentality, so hopefully they'll take another run at Tom Izzo this offseason and find someone who can lead LeBron and Love and Irving to somewhere they'd never been on their own, at the top of the league.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: dkdk on June 17, 2015, 12:25:31 AM
nobody can coach when Lebron is the coach, GM, team manager, etc. this aint miami.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Mandark on June 17, 2015, 12:26:01 AM
There we go, benj.

Though I feel that's only marginally more unrealistic than "Blatt should have installed a complex motion offense for Delly and Shump to run when LBJ was sitting."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 17, 2015, 12:26:45 AM
Tom Izzo probably gets hard ons watching Tristan Thompson attack the boards. :whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Mandark on June 17, 2015, 12:40:35 AM
On a different note, how many people are waiting for Phil Jackson to break his Twitter silence?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: benjipwns on June 17, 2015, 12:45:00 AM
Quote from: Steve Kerr
Watching this team the last couple years, I felt like a little faster pace could go a long way. Really the key is the defense was in place. Mark Jackson and his staff the last couple years really built a defensive juggernaut. ... It's all about balancing the offense and defense.
Quote from: Steve Kerr
We were fortunate in a lot of ways this year. Maybe No. 1 was health. To win a title is a lot of work, but a lot of luck as well. I know there's been all this talk this year especially about the 3-point shot and can you win shooting it. ... I think what was probably overlooked all year long is what really wins is the combination of great offense and great defense. We were the No. 1 defense in the league. We were the top scoring team in the league.

Quote from: Andre Iguodala
I got great teammates. I want to be just like Steph when I grow up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: benjipwns on June 17, 2015, 12:46:27 AM
LeBron is now 2-4 in the NBA Finals, same as Wilt. Wonder if he'll retire to go play volleyball.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: eleuin on June 17, 2015, 12:49:14 AM
Quote
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHrLoYpUYAAlpg9.jpg)

No votes for curry  :ohhh, surprised but glad
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: benjipwns on June 17, 2015, 12:57:08 AM
I like how Zach Lowe suddenly has a vote for Finals MVP. I remember when him (Pelton on Insider) getting on Grantland was big news.

Also this is the first season that an NBA team and their D-League affiliate has won their respective championships in the same year!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: benjipwns on June 17, 2015, 01:04:42 AM
Amusing note on the Nuggets hiring Mike Malone. The week before they hired the GM (Pete D'Alesandro) who had fired him from the Kings. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 17, 2015, 01:18:52 AM
Good for iggy with the mvp nod. Always liked him.

Surprised they didn't go with Curry because of the offense bias in those kind of things. It's not like he had a terrible series or anything.

Averaged 26 ppg for the series. Shot 45%. I think the series Lebron had hurt his chances which isn't really fair.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 17, 2015, 01:37:38 AM
Quote
Victorious Gentry: "Tell Mike D'Antoni he's vindicated! We just kicked everyone's ass playing the way everybody complained about!"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: benjipwns on June 17, 2015, 01:56:04 AM
Finals facts coming out this time are always fun:
If LeBron makes it back next year, he'll have appeared in 7 out of 10 consecutive Finals. Only Magic has appeared in 8 out of 10. Kobe has appeared in 7 out of 11. (1960's Celtics/Lakers obviously did more.) LeBron's five straight did break Magic's four straight record for the modern era. To get any other players with that many you have to go back to the 1960's Celtics: Bill Russell, Sam Jones, K.C. Jones and Satch Sanders.

No MIP award winner other than Boris Diaw has ever won a championship.

Sheed had his ring resized to fit his middle finger instead of ring finger.

Hakeem couldn't wear gold as a Muslim, so his 1995 ring was made out of platinum.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Kara on June 17, 2015, 02:00:24 AM
we did it shinobi :tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: benjipwns on June 17, 2015, 02:02:03 AM
Steve Kerr first rookie head coach to win since 1982.

ESPN's pre-season predictions:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHq8qPhWEAA054R.png)

Quote
Most 3-pointers in a single postseason

Stephen Curry 98
Reggie Miller 58 (1999-2000)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: benjipwns on June 17, 2015, 02:04:10 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHrSmTUXAAAVFwr.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHrMN6zWUAE0scv.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: benjipwns on June 17, 2015, 02:29:11 AM
Quote from: WRATH VICE™ on June 17, 2015, 02:22:34 AM
Poor Elgin Baylor  :(
He retired nine games into the 1971-72 season.

The year the Lakers went 69-13, won 33 straight and the title.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: benjipwns on June 17, 2015, 06:42:57 AM
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In a recent interview with French sports outlet L’Equipe, Michael Jordan discussed his life as an NBA owner. When asked if he can beat his Charlotte Hornets players in a game of one-on-one, the 52-year-old Jordan answered with confidence.

"I'm pretty sure I can, so I don't want to do that and demolish their confidence, so I stay away from them. I let them think that they are good,"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 17, 2015, 09:40:24 AM
Moses Cleveland I don't know how many children you raped to place this curse up our town but :ufup

Be me brehs

The injuries :snoop
Play for the Raiders :snoop
Be in school for the Webber time out :snoop
Christian Laettner :snoop
Watch michigan football implode :snoop
the drive :snoop
the fumble :snoop
The Jose Mesa :snoop
The Maddux :snoop
Pedro out of the bullpen :snoop

FML

At least I did win one title in 97  :rejoice
But it was a co national title :snoop

:snoop
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 17, 2015, 10:02:12 AM
You forgot JD Drew grand slam

(2007)

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 17, 2015, 10:21:06 AM
womp

fun Finals though.  Lebron is incredible.  Fuck Walrus, etc
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 17, 2015, 10:36:13 AM
Jump shooting teams can't win in the playoffs.

 :dead

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 17, 2015, 10:39:42 AM
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It’s been 40 long long years for the Golden State Warriors but they are now the winners of the NBA Finals for the first time since Gerald Ford was President. With the Cleveland Cavaliers and LeBron James scratching and pushing right up until the very end last night, the Bay Area team won the series 4-2 with a 105-97 Game 6 victory. In what has been a record-breaking series ratingswise, ABC probably wished it could have gone to a Game 7 but they got some pretty good results themselves on Tuesday night with Game 6 scoring a 15.9 in metered market ratings – the best a Game 6 has ever done on the network since it started showing the series in 2003, according to Nielsen.

In a series that has had strong momentum from the get go last night’s MM ratings also seal the deal in making the 2015 NBA Finals the highest-rated ever for ABC with a 13.9 overnight average – that’s up 31 from the 2014 NBA Finals, which went five games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 17, 2015, 05:30:20 PM
https://www.facebook.com/sbnation/videos/10152828972476536/?fref=nf
:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: naff on June 17, 2015, 06:32:12 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 17, 2015, 10:21:06 AM
womp

fun Finals though.  Lebron is incredible.  Fuck Walrus, etc
I felt humbled watching Bron in that series. Forced into running an ugly predictable offense, he pushed them further than I thought possible. Despite rooting for gsw, I would've been so in awe of Cleveland pulling through in that situation I couldn't be anything but happy for em.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: naff on June 17, 2015, 08:18:20 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 17, 2015, 01:37:38 AM
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Victorious Gentry: "Tell Mike D'Antoni he's vindicated! We just kicked everyone's ass playing the way everybody complained about!"

Kerr said it himself, it was all about the balanced nature of the team - number 1 offense and defense in the NBA, the latter courtesy of Mark Jackson.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 17, 2015, 08:49:33 PM
It's been obvious that the league has changed. Hell the Heat mostly played small ball when they won their titles although it was a different kind of small ball.

But it takes a team like the Warriors winning before some of the more old school basketball fans will acknowledge what has happened. I mean it seems impossible for people like Barkley and others to get on and say the same old stuff but we'll see.

It's also hard to see the game going back to a defensive swing unless rules change or something. This style is far more entertaining to watch also so its unlikely for them to try to change it at a rules level.

Now get rid of Hack a Shaq NBA.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: naff on June 17, 2015, 10:15:18 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 17, 2015, 08:49:33 PM
It's been obvious that the league has changed. Hell the Heat mostly played small ball when they won their titles although it was a different kind of small ball.

For sure. Not sure Mike No-D'Antoni is vindicated tho.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 17, 2015, 11:12:40 PM
Are we sure Barkley isn't AiA?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2015, 06:28:39 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHwG0A3UMAAF472.jpg:large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHwGCGTUEAM6eAe.jpg:large)

http://www.nba.com/clippers/GearUpLA

I want off.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2015, 06:34:49 AM
https://twitter.com/EASPORTSNBA/status/611403103187832832

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHwj4VpUsAAVYz1.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 18, 2015, 08:06:28 AM
Cavs offseason gonna be real interesting. Lebron ain't taking a paycut, love is just going to opt in, Thompson going to get max or damn near, Kyrie's max contract starts next year, delle, jr, and big hair all need paid.

Dan's wallet am cry.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 18, 2015, 08:27:41 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 17, 2015, 11:12:40 PM
Are we sure Barkley isn't AiA?

He's actually Ripclawe's Tyler Durden.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2015, 08:31:55 AM
I think Chad Ford is starting to put fake players in his mock drafts to see if anyone notices:
Ziga Dimec
J.P. Tokoto
Guillem Vives
Arturas Gudaitis
Nikola Milutinov
Mouhammadou Jaiteh
Cedi Osman
Guillermo Hernangomez
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2015, 08:39:26 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/Gp92vSm.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 18, 2015, 08:46:54 AM
I'm curious to what a Thibodeau-less Bulls will look like.  They could be the sleeper champ next year .
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 18, 2015, 01:44:43 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHwGCGTUEAM6eAe.jpg)

Clips new unis

edit:whoops didn't scroll up to see benji already posted.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 18, 2015, 01:59:14 PM
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@RealSkipBayless

I love Steph but GSt had a fortuitous run to title. Avoided OKC, Clips, Spurs and 4 straight injured starting PGs. Needs to validate next yr

I understand that this is his gimmick, and mirrors how sports radio tends to work but jeez...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 18, 2015, 02:17:03 PM
I thought about that yesterday

Conley came back in game 2 and played great, if you think Jrue Holiday and Patrick Beverley were the differences in their respective series' you're deluding yourself, all the injuries afflicting the cavs was a legit bunny for golden state
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 18, 2015, 02:20:13 PM
I actually KIND OF agree with Skip here, shockingly, HOWEVER

The Rockets were playing great fucking basketball in the second round.  Golden State embarrassed a team that was high on their accomplishment against the Clippers (arguably the scariest team in the West outside of GS and the Spurs).

And GS still probably would've beaten a Cavs team with Love and Kyrie (worse defensive unit)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 18, 2015, 03:50:28 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/3896/lebrons-handling-of-blatt-unbecoming

This should get tongues wagging for a few days. Not that I agree with the article.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 18, 2015, 04:01:42 PM
:kobeyuck


So scathing.  Not a flattering look for Lebron.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 18, 2015, 04:05:37 PM
I think its one side of a story. As all media stories are.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 18, 2015, 04:09:04 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 18, 2015, 04:05:37 PM
I think its one side of a story. As all media stories are.

Is there another side to openly disrespecting your coach?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 18, 2015, 04:12:45 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 18, 2015, 04:09:04 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 18, 2015, 04:05:37 PM
I think its one side of a story. As all media stories are.

Is there another side to openly disrespecting your coach?

If I only take that interpretation as the correct interpretation of all the events that went down. I can imagine another article talking with different people with a different interpretation. So to answer in a generic way. Yes.

I think its a window into the conflict between the two which is more how I read the article versus a 100% gospel version of the how things are going down and who is in the wrong and who is in the right 100%

There is one piece of "evidence" in that article which is Lebron disagreed with a play being drawn up and apparently shook his head which Stein observed. The rest is I think Lebron should support his coach more judgments from an outsider looking into a situation.

Reading that article what is the concrete tangible evil thing that Lebron has done? Huddle with Lue? 

I'm not saying there isn't conflict between the two. But I'm not sure the correct answer, especially from an outsider looking in is to say that the coach is always right and you always blindly support the coach. Maybe the coach/boss is wrong. Just like potentially at any other profession.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 18, 2015, 05:00:30 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 18, 2015, 08:06:28 AM
Cavs offseason gonna be real interesting. Lebron ain't taking a paycut, love is just going to opt in, Thompson going to get max or damn near, Kyrie's max contract starts next year, delle, jr, and big hair all need paid.

Dan's wallet am cry.

Actually griffin just got through saying he expects Love (and jr) to opt out and they would of course try to resign him. I just think it would be super awkward for him to opt out and sign another one year deal. But you never know. Maybe that is just realistic.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 18, 2015, 10:25:10 PM
I will say this: funny how no one says shit about Peyton Manning doing this for the last decade. He's just a passionate smart player-coach huh.
:hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: naff on June 18, 2015, 10:29:42 PM
Also: white
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2015, 11:52:54 PM
One thing regarding Lue is that Blatt admitted after the last incident that there were multiple times that Lue had to stop him from calling timeouts they didn't have, inform him of foul counts and so on. So I can see why LeBron might want to check with the "associate head coach" from time to time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2015, 12:02:12 AM
I just think Lebron invites this sort of analysis from basketball writers. There always has to be some extra layer after he loses. "He needs to support the coach more". Really? That's what comes out of this season. In a league where superstar players past and present often conflict with their coach and in fact have forced coaching changes behind the scenes. Like MJ and Magic. Hell Phil Jackson and Kobe couldn't stand each other by the end of their first run.

I mean outside of known knuckleheads would this article be written about any player in the league after they just dragged a group of also-rans to the finals?

It just seems like there is always this extra layer of analysis with events regarding him that don't seem to be there for other superstars. Which is not to pretend that Lebron is some kind of saint or something. He's not. But it doesn't mean that you (writers I mean) need to turn everything into drama central with heroes and villains.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2015, 12:08:26 AM
Phil's written a whole bunch of books and articles in which he discussed how Jordan would ignore him, break plays, refusing to sub out, etc.

None of which mattered in the end because the Bulls didn't waste their time throwing up three pointers like a bunch of goobers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2015, 12:10:36 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Season:_A_Team_in_Search_of_Its_Soul

Is basically a hate letter directed at Kobe. Didn't stop them from winning or even getting back together again when the situation was right. These relationships are always more complex than "Be like Tim Duncan".
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2015, 12:56:32 AM
That's because Kobe is the type of person who is willing to put ego aside, listen to a leader and sacrifice personal goals in order to win. Until LeBron learns any of that and develops a relationship with his coaches he'll never win a title on his own.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2015, 06:27:42 AM
Sixers getting new uniforms again too:
(http://content.sportslogos.net/news/2015/06/New-Sixers-Uniforms-Graphic-590x368.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 19, 2015, 06:55:17 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 19, 2015, 12:56:32 AM
That's because Kobe is the type of person who is willing to put ego aside, listen to a leader and sacrifice personal goals in order to win. Until LeBron learns any of that and develops a relationship with his coaches he'll never win a title on his own.

Kobe puts his ego aside? He chased Shaq out of town and is the #1 reason nobody wanted to play there in their primes. Gasol was miserable so don't even try to say that shit.

Be right on sports just once please, just once....
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2015, 06:57:07 AM
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[Kerr] also received a text from former Spurs teammate Tim Duncan that read, "It's that easy, huh?"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Mandark on June 19, 2015, 06:59:39 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 19, 2015, 06:55:17 AM
Kobe puts his ego aside? He chased Shaq out of town and is the #1 reason nobody wanted to play there in their primes. Gasol was miserable so don't even try to say that shit.

Be right on sports just once please, just once....

(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/012/132/thatsthejoke.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 19, 2015, 07:00:27 AM
Who can tell with that fucktard? His gimmick is tired.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Mandark on June 19, 2015, 07:13:02 AM
Is this another "all white posters look the same to me" moment, like when you yelled at BrandNew for hating LeBron?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 19, 2015, 07:13:56 AM
Quote from: Mandark on June 19, 2015, 07:13:02 AM
Is this another "all white posters look the same to me" moment, like when you yelled at BrandNew for hating LeBron?

 :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 19, 2015, 10:31:48 AM
:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2015, 11:38:54 AM
http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/3adv99/cleveland_cavaliers_offseason_faq/

Nice little post on reddit going over all the things the Cavs have to do in the off-season relative to the their roster.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 19, 2015, 11:51:54 AM
16 mil a year for Tristan. :dead

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2015, 11:54:29 AM
Yeah, I wouldn't pay that. That is one of those cases where I would tell Lebron and his agent to f off. It's more a principle thing. Dude is a good nba player. But he's not near max good. Or at least I don't see it at this point. Maybe I'm wrong.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 19, 2015, 11:57:17 AM
13 mil seems reasonable for him
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2015, 11:59:50 AM
He already turned down 4 years at 52 million. So he's going to presumably want more than that, so at that point you are at the max.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2015, 12:06:09 PM
Cavs have the opposite problem the heat had during Lebron's days. They have too many bigs as opposed to too few.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 19, 2015, 12:10:59 PM
I liked seeing a comment from the OP in that thread...let Love walk and maybe get Ariza and someone like Splitter.  Lets Lebron rest more.  Starting lineup a cool hybrid small/big lineup:

Kyrie, Shump, Lebron, Thompson, Mozgov

Backups:

Backup point guard, JR, Ariza, Splitter

Then Joe Harris, James Jones, corpses
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 19, 2015, 12:12:05 PM
You can't rely on Andy to stay healthy, so they kind of have no choice but to carry one too many.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 19, 2015, 12:13:49 PM
completely forgot about Sideshow Bob  :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 19, 2015, 12:22:10 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on June 19, 2015, 11:51:54 AM
16 mil a year for Tristan. :dead

Laugh all you want, somebody is going to pay that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 19, 2015, 12:26:25 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 19, 2015, 12:10:59 PM
I liked seeing a comment from the OP in that thread...let Love walk and maybe get Ariza and someone like Splitter.  Lets Lebron rest more.  Starting lineup a cool hybrid small/big lineup:

Kyrie, Shump, Lebron, Thompson, Mozgov

Backups:

Backup point guard, JR, Ariza, Splitter

Then Joe Harris, James Jones, corpses

I wouldn't mind that lineup at all. I'm all for letting love walk but I don't think he will. I'd rather get a 2 over Splitter though. We need another guy to stretch the floor and shump just cant do that.


Middleton or Matthews would work nicely.

Unless the plan is to get Love to walk and pick up D Wade. Which I would laugh at but stranger things have happened

Kyrie
Wade
Lebron
Thompson
Mozgov

Backup PG (Likely as part of Haywood's expiring contract)
Varejo
Shump
JR
Jones
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2015, 12:31:39 PM
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Former 76ers coach Larry Brown has been lobbying Philadelphia to hire Iverson as an assistant GM, and Iverson fully supports the move: "I have a sharp mind when it comes to that look, being able to look into somebody's eyes to tell if they are going to be in the foxhole with you tonight or if they are not." (via Philadelphia Inquirer)

 :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 19, 2015, 12:32:59 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2015, 12:31:39 PM
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Former 76ers coach Larry Brown has been lobbying Philadelphia to hire Iverson as an assistant GM, and Iverson fully supports the move: "I have a sharp mind when it comes to that look, being able to look into somebody's eyes to tell if they are going to be in the foxhole with you tonight or if they are not." (via Philadelphia Inquirer)

 :neogaf

 :mindblown
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 19, 2015, 12:36:52 PM
Move over stat-nerds, 'Foxhole eyes' is the new PER.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 19, 2015, 12:37:34 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on June 19, 2015, 12:36:52 PM
Move over stat-nerds, 'Foxhole eyes' is the new PER.

To be fair you're gonna need a few foxholes as bad as that squad gets shelled every damn night.


I'm sure he'd be a hell of a motivational speaker to a lazy fuck like last years first round draft pick...

(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/3671356/we-talkin-bout-practice-o.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 19, 2015, 02:45:34 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 19, 2015, 06:27:42 AM
Sixers getting new uniforms again too:
(http://content.sportslogos.net/news/2015/06/New-Sixers-Uniforms-Graphic-590x368.jpg)
I like these, the old ones were boring

did the new Bucks unis get posted?
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/media/2.0/teamsites/bucks/150603-jabari-giannis-1.1.jpg)

new logo too: (http://images.designntrend.com/data/images/full/62924/ccgxzn2wmaaxqtb-jpg-large-jpeg.jpg?w=780)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 19, 2015, 03:05:50 PM
...Milwaukee has an NBA team???

Next you're going to tell me Sacramento has one too. STOP LYING.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 19, 2015, 04:21:48 PM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on June 19, 2015, 03:05:50 PM
...Milwaukee has an NBA team???

Next you're going to tell me Sacramento has one too. STOP LYING.

I hardly think someone from Atlanta has much room to talk. You draw less people for an NBA game than I do for a cookout.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 19, 2015, 04:30:56 PM
Atlanta is widely known as the city too busy to give a shit about our sports teams... unless it's UGA, which is funny because 1) the university isn't even in the fucking city and 2) like maybe 10% of all of these "diehard Bulldogs fans" actually fucking went to UGA, but whatever.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 19, 2015, 04:32:21 PM
Too busy doing what exactly? Embracing white flight and shooting each other? I mean really, Atlanta is a shithole.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 19, 2015, 04:33:44 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 19, 2015, 04:32:21 PM
Too busy doing what exactly? Embracing white flight and shooting each other? I mean really, Atlanta is a shithole.

City's kind of turned around in the last 5 years; plenty of in town neighborhoods getting gentrified.

But, yes, it's still a shithole, just a different kind of shithole now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2015, 04:53:00 PM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on June 19, 2015, 04:30:56 PM
Atlanta is widely known as the city too busy to give a shit about our sports teams... unless it's UGA, which is funny because 1) the university isn't even in the fucking city and 2) like maybe 10% of all of these "diehard Bulldogs fans" actually fucking went to UGA, but whatever.

ATL doesn't love Matty Ice?!?!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 19, 2015, 05:37:31 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2015, 04:53:00 PM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on June 19, 2015, 04:30:56 PM
Atlanta is widely known as the city too busy to give a shit about our sports teams... unless it's UGA, which is funny because 1) the university isn't even in the fucking city and 2) like maybe 10% of all of these "diehard Bulldogs fans" actually fucking went to UGA, but whatever.

ATL doesn't love Matty Ice?!?!

Real talk- the Falcons are sometimes the 3rd most popular football team in town, behind UGA and sometimes Tech.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2015, 05:44:00 PM
Heh I'm trollin. Gotta support fellow fans of teams with over-rated, middle tier QBs who get paid too much money.
:tocry

Georgia thought last year was gonna be The year, too. Damn.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 20, 2015, 01:16:52 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpEiYqxgKxI

 :mynicca
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2015, 03:14:17 AM
Chad Ford just moved Isaiah up to #3 on his 2022 Draft big board.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2015, 03:15:52 AM
Also, George Karl needs to come to terms with and embrace the Boogie three point bombing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2015, 09:32:02 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/20/sports/basketball/phil-jackson-nba-draft-knicks-carmelo-anthony.html?ref=sports

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On the afternoon of May 19, Phil Jackson, the president of the Knicks, met with Steve Mills, his general manager, at the team’s practice complex here. Mills had a couple of hours before he was expected to report to a Midtown Manhattan hotel, where he would represent the team at the N.B.A.’s annual draft lottery.

As they discussed their usual daily business — everything from the playoffs to potential prospects in the draft — Jackson kept folding a piece of paper until it formed a neat, tiny square. He finally presented it to Mills, who opened it to reveal a series of numbers, which Mills presumed were the team’s odds for landing various picks in the lottery.

“But they were the wrong odds,” Mills said. “They were the odds from a different year.”

The message from Jackson was essentially that the numbers did not matter, that everything that would happen at the lottery was beyond their control. The team would move forward regardless. Or at least that was what Mills thought Jackson meant.

“Phil’s not just cryptic on Twitter,” Mills said. “He’s cryptic with me, too, sometimes.”

...

“I have a definite idea about how I want a team to look and what kind of skills the players need to have,” said Jackson, who remains as wedded as ever to the triangle offense. “When everybody else says, ‘Well, this might be their best pick,’ we’re not going that way at all. We’re going with what we feel will be the best player for us at this particular time.”

...

Q. Do you anticipate players being resistant to the idea of running the triangle?

JACKSON Players who are resistant to it shouldn’t be here. Guys who want to play basketball and feel comfortable with their skills should understand that there is ample opportunity to play a game that’s an evolved game. It’s a thinking man’s game. It’s a logical game.

JACKSON We’re trying to find players who are the best fit for us. We’re really chasing as much information as we can. We’re not interested in guys who are just interested in the money and in their branding. They have to have a little more to their life than just those selfish desires. There’s nothing wrong with chasing money, and there’s nothing wrong with making the most from your name. But that seems to be the running theme that you see a lot these days.

...

Q. Have you spoken to Isiah Thomas since he was hired to run the Liberty?

JACKSON Yeah, Isiah came in my office. I was on the phone, but I was able to shake his hand. And there have been a number of times when we’ve just bumped into each other here in the cafeteria. We talked about the playoffs, about his team. He seems to be happy doing his job, and that’s about it.

...

Q. In the middle of the playoffs, you took to Twitter to ask N.B.A. analysts to give you “some diagnostics” on how 3-point-oriented teams were faring. It struck most as a criticism of teams like the Warriors who take a lot of 3-point shots. You asked, “How’s it goink?” What was that about?

JACKSON They have all these analysts. I just wanted to see someone come back to me with statistics: Is 3-point shooting in the playoffs as consistent as it is in the regular season? Does your 3-point-shooting percentage change because you’re in the playoffs? No one figured that one out. And that’s probably me being obtuse to leave it open at the end. But “goink” is one of those New York expressions that we use, and I will tell you this: I learned something. Someone sent me the fact that if you look it up on Urban Dictionary, you’ll find out what it means in today’s society.

Q. Should I look?

JACKSON Well, it’s rather bizarre to say the least.

Q. So it wasn’t just a typo?

JACKSON “Goink” is a castoff expression, right? Instead of, “How’s it going?” it’s “How’s it goink?” It turned out to be either a combination of a mixed ethnic group: part Korean, part Chinese. Or it’s a vernacular term for how do you deal with a sexual partner.

Q. That was not your intention though?

JACKSON No, I had no idea.

...

JACKSON I knew it was going to be a challenge. We just didn’t have any room to work last year. We knew that we were going to have to make big changes with the limitations that we had, being in a locked-in situation as far as the salary cap goes. That’s why when I said recently that I didn’t know why I wasn’t given some votes for executive of the year, I wasn’t kidding. I was really serious. We had a yeoman’s job of having to get rid of a lot of fat on our roster to get to where we are. I saw Mitch Kupchak got a vote, so I know some people valued what the Lakers were doing obviously.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 20, 2015, 09:49:52 AM
Quote
Someone sent me the fact that if you look it up on Urban Dictionary, you’ll find out what it means in today’s society.

So, I went to Urban Dictionary:

Quote
A person that's half Korean and half Chinese. The term comes from Gook (a derogatory term for Koreans) and Chink (a derogatory term for Chinese or Asians in general).

Quote
To jerk off/ masturbate. Can be used for both males and females.

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To place both your balls in a partners mouth, then repeatedly slap their nose with your tumescent penis in a vigorous manner, preferably whilst waving your other arm in the air.

 :what
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Beezy on June 20, 2015, 11:33:05 AM
Really hoping Phil isn't as out of touch as he seems. :fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Golden State Warriors are the champs!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 20, 2015, 03:33:30 PM
I like how he rails against guys who want to get paid and are about branding when Carmelo Anthony is playing for them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2015, 05:06:05 AM
Since the only people who even a slightest interest in him are in here: HBO apparently is going after Simmons (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hbos-real-life-game-thrones-802764)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 22, 2015, 05:40:35 PM
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/13131159/los-angeles-lakers-actively-trying-acquire-demarcus-cousins-trade-sacramento-kings
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 22, 2015, 06:05:15 PM
Lakers want Wade and Cousins?

Cousins wins that ffs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2015, 06:08:20 PM
https://twitter.com/SLAMonline/status/613084235851694080
:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 22, 2015, 06:29:48 PM
good christ
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 22, 2015, 10:55:36 PM
They won't but I would love it if they did. Moment of the year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: Beezy on June 22, 2015, 11:39:21 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 22, 2015, 10:55:36 PM
They won't but I would love it if they did. Moment of the year.
Please don't wish this on me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: naff on June 23, 2015, 12:02:53 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 22, 2015, 10:55:36 PM
They won't but I would love it if they did. Moment of the year.

same. nothing against nyc, but the weird band wagon fans here piss me off, why they riding this shit organisations dicc i'll never know. i think it's just a big org in a 'cool' city and they like rooting for the underdog they have faith will be triumphant one day. bwahahaha.

always happy to see them continue to be miserable. :aah
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 23, 2015, 10:13:42 AM
http://deadspin.com/george-karl-apparently-wants-demarcus-cousins-gone-is-1713331277

Quote from: Woj
Karl has been recruiting Kings vice president of basketball operations Vlade Divac and multiple players on the Kings’ roster to unite with him in making the case to owner Vivek Ranadive that Cousins needs to be traded, league sources said.

Since the end of the 2014-15 season, Cousins has become aware of Karl’s campaign to move him – including teammates telling Cousins, sources said. All around the Kings and Cousins, there is a growing belief the coach-player relationship is irreparable. Trust is a constant theme with Cousins, and he’s been unable to build any with Karl, sources said.

No one in the Sacramento organization – not coaches, nor players, nor support staff – wants to imagine the combustible scenario awaiting Karl and Cousins should the Kings try to reunite them in training camp.

:mindblown
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 23, 2015, 10:27:24 AM
wow, fuck Karl

Cousins should WANT to be traded at this point
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 23, 2015, 10:33:24 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 23, 2015, 10:27:24 AM
wow, fuck Karl

Cousins should WANT to be traded at this point

Trade away the undisputed best center in the league for donuts brehs.

Good for Cousins though, putting him on the Lakers means he'll finally get the respect he deserves.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 23, 2015, 10:43:03 AM
I kind of love LA for him, honestly.

Clarkson, Kobe, Johnson, Randle, Cousins

 :larry

very interesting lineup...assuming Randle wouldn't be traded away
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 23, 2015, 10:45:44 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 23, 2015, 10:43:03 AM
I kind of love LA for him, honestly.

Clarkson, Kobe, Johnson, Randle, Cousins

 :larry

very interesting lineup...assuming Randle wouldn't be traded away

Nah to get him Randle would have to go.

I think the lineup will end up being

Rondo
Kobe
Johnson
Who cares
Cousins

To be honest.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 23, 2015, 10:50:08 AM
 :ufup not giving daps to Clarkson.  Dude had a great season last year
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 23, 2015, 10:51:22 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 23, 2015, 10:50:08 AM
:ufup not giving daps to Clarkson.  Dude had a great season last year

No I like the guy but I think it's pretty much a forgone conclusion that Rondo ends up in LA
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 23, 2015, 10:59:00 AM
Man I hope not.  Rondo doesn't deserve a starting gig anymore.  If he does end up in LA, he should be used in the deal to acquire Cousins and send Rondo to the Kings just to make Bill Simmons Rondo-to-Kings timeline come true.  That way Lakers could maybe keep Randle.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 23, 2015, 11:08:56 AM
THe Iverson doc on HBO(?) was pretty good. I forgot how much shit he went through and put on himself.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 23, 2015, 11:09:58 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 23, 2015, 10:59:00 AM
Man I hope not.  Rondo doesn't deserve a starting gig anymore.  If he does end up in LA, he should be used in the deal to acquire Cousins and send Rondo to the Kings just to make Bill Simmons Rondo-to-Kings timeline come true.  That way Lakers could maybe keep Randle.

I guess the rumor is it's Orlando/Lakers/Kings with The lakers #1 and Randle going to Orlando, Vucevic and Magic's #1 going to Kings/Cousins to Lakers  with some extra parts here and there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 23, 2015, 11:10:55 AM
Quote from: Brehvolution on June 23, 2015, 11:08:56 AM
THe Iverson doc on HBO(?) was pretty good. I forgot how much shit he went through and put on himself.

It's on Netflix too. I agree he went through a lot of racial bullshit but he also did bring some on himself (slamming a chair on a dude in a bowling alley is a bad look)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 23, 2015, 04:34:05 PM
http://espn.go.com/newyork/nba/story/_/id/13134107/phil-jackson-new-york-knicks-criticizes-lebron-james-nba-offenses


 :umad

I love how, he is so concerned with other teams in the league and the "beauty" of the game. The last few years of cranky old Grandpa phil will be amazing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Phil Jackson "How's it goink 2.0")
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 23, 2015, 04:51:36 PM
I don't really see a problem with what he said. It's not very fun to watch and he said its prevalent, but didn't say it was dominating the game. He was just musin and wondered aloud how far that  style of game will go.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Phil Jackson "How's it goink 2.0")
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 23, 2015, 05:10:49 PM
The trend is definitely away from that style of basketball he describes which is iso-centric basketball. The most successful teams in recent years including the last few champs don't actually play that way. Spurs basketball is the buzzword around the league even if the mass of teams aren't successfully replicating it. Even the heat didn't play the way the Cavaliers did this year as Lebron's usage rate increased. There are lots of reason to argue against the Cavs play style. I did all year. But the playoff run style was basically forced necessity due to injuries so his criticisms there are a bit odd too.

I would argue basketball looks better in recent years than it has for the last 10 years prior. I would also argue that his run with the Lakers wasn't a return to some beautiful fabled basketball of yore.   

But like I said, we'll see what type of team, he is able to bring together and the beautiful style they put out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Phil Jackson "How's it goink 2.0")
Post by: Mandark on June 23, 2015, 06:37:58 PM
Yeah, he's just wrong.  The league isn't appreciably more individual-oriented than it was 10 or 20 years ago.  It's old man yells at cloud stuff.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Phil Jackson "How's it goink 2.0")
Post by: benjipwns on June 23, 2015, 07:19:51 PM
"The game actually has some beauty to it, and we've kind of taken some of that out of it to make it individualized," Jackson told Bleacher Report. "It's a lot of who we are as a country, individualized stuff.

"... It struck me: How can we get so far away from the real truth of what we're trying to do?"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Phil Jackson "How's it goink 2.0")
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 23, 2015, 07:41:12 PM
good to see a senile man is in charge of the knicks

fuck me
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Phil Jackson "How's it goink 2.0")
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 23, 2015, 07:58:51 PM
So Karl and DMC haven't spoken to each other since April, Ranadive and Divac have sat on their hands for the past 2 months and DMC's camp just leaked trade talk rumors 2 days before the draft, which the kings FO has staunchly denied.

Rumor is:
 Lakers - Boogie/6th
 Kings - Randle/Vucevic/5th
 Magic - 2nd

Karl also threw out a deal to send Cousins to Denver for Lawson and Faried (lol). Sacramento has the option of a) firing Karl, which they should do anyway, or b) exchange probably the best center in the league over the next 5 years for spare parts. Rondo and the Kings have mutual interest in a one year deal; they're also looking to move Gay.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: Beezy on June 23, 2015, 08:05:17 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on June 23, 2015, 03:54:29 PM
Not sure I'd value Cousins as high as all that.
:iface
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Phil Jackson "How's it goink 2.0")
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 23, 2015, 08:32:16 PM
Quote from: Mandark on June 23, 2015, 06:37:58 PM
Yeah, he's just wrong.  The league isn't appreciably more individual-oriented than it was 10 or 20 years ago.  It's old man yells at cloud stuff.

It's really weird to see people seemingly completely forget the Jordan years - even the guy who coached Jordan. And it's even weirder how many of these lapses of memory often seem to creep up when talking about James. Just a couple weeks ago it was about how Jordan would never say he's the greatest player in the world, wasn't a dramatic show off, blah blah blah. Seriously?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Phil Jackson "How's it goink 2.0")
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 23, 2015, 09:03:47 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on June 23, 2015, 08:45:04 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on June 23, 2015, 07:58:51 PM
So Karl and DMC haven't spoken to each other since April, Ranadive and Divac have sat on their hands for the past 2 months and DMC's camp just leaked trade talk rumors 2 days before the draft, which the kings FO has staunchly denied.

Rumor is:
 Lakers - Boogie/6th
 Kings - Randle/Vucevic/5th
 Magic - 2nd

Karl also threw out a deal to send Cousins to Denver for Lawson and Faried (lol). Sacramento has the option of a) firing Karl, which they should do anyway, or b) exchange probably the best center in the league over the next 5 years for spare parts. Rondo and the Kings have mutual interest in a one year deal; they're also looking to move Gay.

So the Magic trade Vucevic to move up 3 spots? They must be extremely high on Okafor.

Nah you didn't pay attention to the end of the season where we saw Vucevic's ceiling. He's not going to be what you think he is.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Phil Jackson "How's it goink 2.0")
Post by: bluemax on June 23, 2015, 11:10:31 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on June 23, 2015, 07:58:51 PM
So Karl and DMC haven't spoken to each other since April, Ranadive and Divac have sat on their hands for the past 2 months and DMC's camp just leaked trade talk rumors 2 days before the draft, which the kings FO has staunchly denied.

Rumor is:
 Lakers - Boogie/6th
 Kings - Randle/Vucevic/5th
 Magic - 2nd

Karl also threw out a deal to send Cousins to Denver for Lawson and Faried (lol). Sacramento has the option of a) firing Karl, which they should do anyway, or b) exchange probably the best center in the league over the next 5 years for spare parts. Rondo and the Kings have mutual interest in a one year deal; they're also looking to move Gay.

Why would the Magic trade Vucevic for a guy whose upside is Vucevic?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Phil Jackson "How's it goink 2.0")
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 24, 2015, 12:05:24 AM
Quote from: bluemax on June 23, 2015, 11:10:31 PM
Why would the Magic trade Vucevic for a guy whose upside is Vucevic?
I dunno, Jahlil's upside is better than being able to put up 19/10 on a garbage team by the time he's 24 imo
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 23, 2015, 09:03:47 PM
Nah you didn't pay attention to the end of the season where we saw Vucevic's ceiling. He's not going to be what you think he is.
I'm checking the game logs, last 10 games of the season he averaged 18.8/10/3 on 51% shooting, the last 25, 19/10.5/2 on 50% sohh...

I def think his scoring numbers are inflated given his team is trash but he's clearly a worthwhile piece and has value in the trade market
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Phil Jackson "How's it goink 2.0")
Post by: naff on June 24, 2015, 12:52:50 AM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on June 23, 2015, 07:58:51 PM
Karl also threw out a deal to send Cousins to Denver for Lawson and Faried (lol).

Would be hilarious

Karl fired by Nuggets, Malone Fired by Sacramento, Malone hired by Nuggets, Karl Hired by Sacramento. Boogie misses Malone :'( Boogie dealt to Denver :rejoice Kings get what they deserve :aah
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: bluemax on June 24, 2015, 02:40:46 AM
Kings reportedly interested in Javale McGee.

Aron Afflalo opted out of his contract.

Karl just gonna reassemble his Denver squad in Sactown.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 24, 2015, 07:04:16 AM
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2015/06/executives_reportedly_believe.html#incart_m-rpt-1

 :comeon
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: benjipwns on June 24, 2015, 07:07:18 AM
Love for Cousins and Rudy Gay amirite
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 24, 2015, 07:15:48 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 24, 2015, 07:07:18 AM
Love and Haywood's corpse for Cousins and Rudy Gay amirite

I'd be okay with that  :gladbron

Edit: Fixed
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: benjipwns on June 24, 2015, 09:00:45 AM
Hawks new jerseys leaked...I feel like we're repeating the 1990's errors again:
https://cmgajcatlantahawks.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/uniforms.pdf

(http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/visual/whatshot/062315_hawkswhite.jpg)
(http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/visual/whatshot/062315_hawkscrazy.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 24, 2015, 09:15:09 AM
 :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 24, 2015, 09:38:45 AM
That ATL logo is sweet though.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 24, 2015, 09:55:24 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on June 24, 2015, 09:38:45 AM
That ATL logo is sweet though.

Reminds me of the outside of them triple fat goose vests that were the shit for about 1 year in 1998
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 24, 2015, 11:39:59 AM
Ugh, those are gross looking
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 24, 2015, 03:07:14 PM
I think so as well
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 24, 2015, 05:01:30 PM
:drudge :drudge :drudge

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/report--kevin-love-opts-out-of-final-year-of-contract--enters-unrestricted-free-agency-183537706.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 24, 2015, 05:08:33 PM
It was known that he was going to do that.

 Which is not to say that he's necessarily going back to the Cavs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 24, 2015, 05:14:11 PM
:yeshrug

Cavs should want him back, and Love SHOULD want to stay for one more year.  If he leaves I wouldn't be surprised, but I expect him to stay.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 24, 2015, 11:30:02 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 24, 2015, 05:14:11 PM
:yeshrug

Cavs should want him back, and Love SHOULD want to stay for one more year.  If he leaves I wouldn't be surprised, but I expect him to stay.

I think they should keep him (and not max Thompson) but if they couldn't, a swap with Marcus Aldridge wouldn't be bad at all.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: bluemax on June 24, 2015, 11:32:03 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 24, 2015, 11:30:02 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 24, 2015, 05:14:11 PM
:yeshrug

Cavs should want him back, and Love SHOULD want to stay for one more year.  If he leaves I wouldn't be surprised, but I expect him to stay.

I think they should keep him (and not max Thompson) but if they couldn't, a swap with Marcus Aldridge wouldn't be bad at all.

I will be amazed if LaMarcus Aldridge lands on any non Portland team that is not located in Texas.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 24, 2015, 11:38:56 PM
http://www.raptorshq.com/2015/6/24/8841073/report-raptors-actively-exploring-trades-for-kyle-lowry-demar-derozan

Who knows if it's true or not but kinda funny how one year can change the outlook on everything.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: naff on June 24, 2015, 11:49:06 PM
It's pretty solid he's resigning. If he doesn't though :dead

Still shoulda kept Wiggins. Bron was wrong on that one.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 25, 2015, 10:45:05 AM
LMA and Lakers mutual interest...

:yeshrug
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 25, 2015, 01:40:12 PM
Quote
Chad FordVerified account
‏@chadfordinsider
2. Frank the Tank is on fire. Phil Jackson loves him. So does Vlade Divac. Michael Jordan won't pass on him at 9. 4-9 his new range.

Please let Phil Jackson take him. Please!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: Beezy on June 25, 2015, 05:05:21 PM
You can all fuck off. :maf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: benjipwns on June 25, 2015, 05:31:35 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13148737/sacramento-kings-owner-vivek-ranadive-considering-firing-coach-george-karl
Quote
Sacramento Kings owner Vivek Ranadive has considered firing George Karl, who was hired as coach four months ago to help turn around the struggling franchise.

Ranadive's displeasure with Karl stems from the coach's desire to trade All-Star center DeMarcus Cousins, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: benjipwns on June 25, 2015, 05:33:04 PM
Quote
The Hornets acquired wing Nicolas Batum from the Portland Trail Blazers on Wednesday night in exchange for guard Gerald Henderson and power forward Noah Vonleh.

Quote
The Memphis Grizzlies have acquired forward Matt Barnes from the Charlotte Hornets for guard Luke Ridnour, who later was traded to Oklahoma City.

The Grizzlies intend to keep Barnes, sources said. Only $1 million of Barnes' $3.5 million salary is guaranteed if he's waived before Wednesday, but Memphis wants Barnes for perimeter depth.

Ridnour didn't stay in Charlotte long, as the Hornets traded him and a conditional 2016 second-round draft pick Thursday to the Thunder for guard Jeremy Lamb. That deal comes just a day after Ridnour was traded by the Orlando Magic to the Grizzlies.

Ridnour got traded three times in a day. :lol

Quote
Ridnour was drafted by the SuperSonics in 2003 and is the first Sonics player to return to the Thunder since they moved from Seattle to Oklahoma City in 2008
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: eleuin on June 25, 2015, 06:33:42 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 24, 2015, 11:38:56 PM
http://www.raptorshq.com/2015/6/24/8841073/report-raptors-actively-exploring-trades-for-kyle-lowry-demar-derozan

Who knows if it's true or not but kinda funny how one year can change the outlook on everything.

Hope somebody bites, should've gotten rid of their coach too but its a start
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: benjipwns on June 25, 2015, 06:55:49 PM
Quote
The Blazers increasingly doubt LaMarcus Aldridge will re-sign with the team, and sources say "there's a 99.9 percent" chance he'll sign elsewhere.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 25, 2015, 07:46:30 PM
Lakers think they have the new Kobe.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: naff on June 25, 2015, 07:59:10 PM
Would be good to see 'em get DmC or Aldridge now.

Who do the Sixers trade? Anticipate keeping Okafor and moving Embiid.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 25, 2015, 08:02:10 PM
 Kristaps Porzingis. Seems like a decent pick at the position but everybody says he won't be ready for years.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: naff on June 25, 2015, 08:06:06 PM
Still think Phil was just stirring with all that Kaminsky talk :lol

Porzingis can shoot, I can see them using him some right now at the 4 while continuing to beef him up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 25, 2015, 08:09:11 PM
That 4th slot was brutal. One higher pick would have been amazing for the knicks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: dkdk on June 25, 2015, 08:09:29 PM
porzingis is poster bait. he'll be out the league in 4 years due to a broken spirit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 25, 2015, 08:14:58 PM
Quote from: Butt Seriously on June 25, 2015, 08:06:06 PM
Still think Phil was just stirring with all that Kaminsky talk :lol

Now I want Jordan to take him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: naff on June 25, 2015, 08:17:36 PM
Quote from: dkdk on June 25, 2015, 08:09:29 PM
porzingis is poster bait. he'll be out the league in 4 years due to a broken spirit.

Pretty natural to see history repeating itself, though i like the comparisons to Dirk vs Chairman Yi or Milicic
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 25, 2015, 08:22:07 PM
Ya, it was getting a little weird waiting on which 7 foot white dude the Knicks were gonna take.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: Beezy on June 25, 2015, 08:23:03 PM
 :what
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: benjipwns on June 25, 2015, 08:35:43 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 25, 2015, 08:14:58 PM
Now I want Jordan to take him.
Since his scouting consists of watching the Final Four...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 25, 2015, 08:37:57 PM
YES!

Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 25, 2015, 08:42:40 PM
How long before Jordan comes to practice and calls Kaminsky a "flaming taco"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2015, 09:35:09 PM
Just got home

(http://i.imgur.com/WZXfAM2.png)

I knew I should have called that MJ would draft Kaminsky. I should have had that on record.

Knicks  :what

Pistons :beli

Johnson has some of the most awkward handles of any guard drafted in the top 20.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: naff on June 25, 2015, 09:41:01 PM
Trey Lyles :rejoice

Jazz still gon be mediocre but fun to watch, with a little more depth. Bless their hearts
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2015, 09:42:01 PM
https://twitter.com/ThatPersianGuy/status/614228091808927744
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: naff on June 25, 2015, 09:46:31 PM
Kinda stoked they chose Porzingis, i think Phil will use him well, and if he turns out to be a bust just another opportunity for me to indulge in some schadenfreude  :jawalrus
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: benjipwns on June 25, 2015, 09:58:08 PM
I like the tradition of Jay Bilas pretending that every college player is going to be a super valuable role player for their team and not, you know, spend half their career in the D-League.

He usually keeps this up deep into the second round.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 25, 2015, 10:54:05 PM
Although I would have liked that PG the cavs drafted I do like trading down for more depth. :yeshrug
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 25, 2015, 11:07:34 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2015, 09:35:09 PM
Johnson has some of the most awkward handles of any guard drafted in the top 20.
he handles the pick and roll just fine, it's not like hell be running an offense

He's got a good shot from the corner, big as shit, drives into contact and plays physically. Yeah Detroit should've taken winslow but Stanley will do just fine under SVG
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 25, 2015, 11:26:15 PM
All I'm gonna say is lol Knicks and lol Hornets
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 25)
Post by: bluemax on June 25, 2015, 11:52:40 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 25, 2015, 08:02:10 PM
Kristaps Porzingis. Seems like a decent pick at the position but everybody says he won't be ready for years.

https://twitter.com/ThatPersianGuy/status/614228091808927744
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2015, 01:06:08 AM
Aaron Harrison didn't get drafted...should have stayed at Kentucky...

Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2015, 01:35:05 AM
The more I think about it, the less the pick makes sense (Pistons). Why not take Winslow?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: benjipwns on June 26, 2015, 03:03:25 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2015, 01:06:08 AM
Aaron Harrison didn't get drafted...should have stayed at Kentucky...
Wow, I remember when those two were coming into Kentucky and Jay Bilas assured me they were both top five picks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: benjipwns on June 26, 2015, 04:26:34 AM
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he Brooklyn Nets were active on draft night, highlighting a busy Thursday evening by trading Mason Plumlee and the rights to second-round pick Pat Connaughton to the Portland Trail Blazers in exchange for Steve Blake and the rights to first-round pick Rondae Hollis-Jefferson.

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The New York Knicks have traded guard Tim Hardaway Jr. to the Atlanta Hawks in exchange for the draft rights to guard Jerian Grant, the league announced.

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Bucks get: Guard Greivis Vasquez

Raptors get: No. 46 pick, 2017 L.A. Clippers protected first-round pick

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Timberwolves get: Rights to No. 24 pick (Tyus Jones)

Cavaliers get: No. 31 pick, No. 36 pick, 2019 second-round pick

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The Phoenix Suns have acquired forward Jon Leuer from the Memphis Grizzlies in exchange for the draft rights to Andrew Harrison, who the Suns selected with the 44th overall pick of the 2015 NBA Draft.

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Los Angeles Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak said the team has spoken to one of its first-round draft picks about a tweet the player sent out in 2012 that referred to a sexual assault case involving star guard Kobe Bryant.

The tweet was published May 1, 2012, on the account belonging to Larry Nance Jr., a forward from the University of Wyoming whom the Lakers selected 27th overall in Thursday's NBA draft.

Nance's tweet, which was deleted within minutes of his selection by the Lakers, read: "Gee I sure hope Kobe can keep his hands to himself in Denver this time." It also included the hashtag "#rapist."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: benjipwns on June 26, 2015, 05:54:37 AM
For you buddy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcWn7edyi_k
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 26, 2015, 06:41:42 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on June 26, 2015, 06:15:31 AM
If LeBron were reffed correctly on defense he'd foul out by halftime, and if he were reffed correctly on offense, he'd commit 10+ turnovers per game.

Fuck David Stern.

Oh shut the fuck up. If the game was ref'd correctly half of Golden State would have been fouled out by halftime.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: Beezy on June 26, 2015, 08:46:28 AM
Quote from: WRATH VICE™ on June 26, 2015, 02:11:53 AM
Beezy, where are you? Are you OK?
I liked that we were able to get a first rounder PG for Tim Hardaway of all players. Thanks Atlanta.

I hated the Porzingis pick last night, but I'm okay with it this morning after reading up on him and watching some vids. He can honestly go either way. I just hope he puts on some weight as he gets older.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: benjipwns on June 26, 2015, 09:12:20 AM
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIbXu_fVEAAhkVO.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 26, 2015, 09:17:05 AM
Frank the Tank throwing up gang signs.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 26, 2015, 03:36:21 PM
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STEPHEN A.: MELO FEELS 'HOODWINKED'
Stephen A. Smith, citing sources, on Carmelo Anthony's reaction to the Knicks' draft picks: "He's furious. He's livid. He feels completely hoodwinked and betrayed by Phil Jackson. He feels like he was lied to, like he was sold a bill of goods." (via SiriusXM Mad Dog Radio)

 :gurl

Stephen A though so who knows if its true.


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Frank IsolaVerified account
‏@FisolaNYDN
Carmelo, according to source, called Tim Hardaway Jr. late Thursday to express his displeasure with Phil Jackson's draft night moves
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: eleuin on June 26, 2015, 05:39:20 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on June 26, 2015, 05:39:16 AM
Trade Nance for a future 2nd. Fuck that guy.
Don't worry I'm sure kobe will make his life a living nightmare this season  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: Steve Contra on June 26, 2015, 05:44:41 PM
Oh god the Knicks would have to go with the gangly white future bust wouldn't they?*

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*bookmark this just in case I'm wrong and you want to laugh at me
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Scratch that if he does turn out good in the future the Knicks will have already traded him for a second round draft pick and a center with a bum knee
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: benjipwns on June 26, 2015, 06:59:01 PM
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"I [was] talking to my sources last night. All they said was, he's furious, he's livid. He feels completely hoodwinked and betrayed by Phil Jackson," Smith said on SiriusXM Mad Dog Sports Radio. "He feels like he was lied to, like he was sold a bill of goods. And he's willing to concede that he wanted his money. But he didn't know it was going to be like this. He didn't know it was going to be this bad. And he can't believe that his second season under the Phil Jackson regime, he has to look forward to it being worse than even last year was."

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ESPN's Ian O'Connor tweeted, "Jim Boeheim told people close to Carmelo Anthony last summer that he needed to leave NY for Chicago to try to win a ring. Boeheim didn't say that directly to Melo because he didn't want to negatively impact their relationship."

https://twitter.com/carmeloanthony/status/614550830318882816

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The Boston Celtics made a strong final push to trade up into the top 10 in the draft, culminating in an offer to the Charlotte Hornets that included as many as six draft picks, including four potential first-rounders, for Charlotte's No. 9 pick, sources said.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: Steve Contra on June 26, 2015, 07:01:07 PM
The first reply to that tweet :dead

https://twitter.com/Kasaikage/status/614550920945233920 (https://twitter.com/Kasaikage/status/614550920945233920)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 26, 2015, 08:17:06 PM
I'm sure they will pick up somebody significant in Free Agency and in the Weak ass eastern conference that alone makes them a decent team.

But yeah, if Carmelo was serious about his shot at winning right now he would have left. He stayed because of the money. And that's a fine choice. Nothing evil about it. But then he can't react that way if Phil is looking towards the future of the franchise.

Even if I think its a high chance that Porzingis won't turn out to be much.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 26, 2015, 11:59:07 PM
PORZINGA!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2015, 02:53:54 AM
Since it's still draft season a bit and there's always some fun about revisiting the old ones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAuFSmlxXJc

Guy has most of 1987 and 1996 first round.

This guy: https://www.youtube.com/user/Pred21/videos
Has 1989, 1990, 1991, 1993, 1994, 1995, first few picks of 2003.

1993 Preview Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2ozX2UR0F4

Wish I could find that clip from one of the last TNT drafts where Stern comes out while Barkley is still jabbering and he goes "no, no, go ahead Charles, I can wait" from the podium.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2015, 02:58:43 AM
My favorite ESPN era moment is when Jay Bilas calls Josh Smith the most likely bust as he's walking up to the commissioner. Which everyone can hear because they're playing the commentators over the PA.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2015, 03:02:13 AM
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Smith took Bilas’ draft night criticism so hard that to this day, he refuses to mention Bilas by name.
:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2015, 04:13:09 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsvaQR9hKDI
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: Your Stalker on June 28, 2015, 06:49:18 AM
^ That guy did an AMA on reddit. (https://pay.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/3bbags/i_snuck_onto_the_floor_of_the_nba_draft_and_then/)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 30, 2015, 05:58:27 PM
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Sources, though, told ESPN that Jordan wants a bigger role in the offense and is tired of being a third wheel behind Chris Paul and Blake Griffin with the team.

 :ufup
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2015, 12:22:21 AM
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Multiple outlets are reporting that Pelicans All-Star and franchise cornerstone Anthony Davis agreed to a 5-year, $145 million extension at 12:01 a.m. ET, the first moment he was able to do so Tuesday night. The offer had been reported earlier in the day, but there was no word on whether AD would sign it.

Davis himself announced the move on Twitter without confirming details.

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Sources say Anthony Davis' deal will have clause after Year 4 that allows Davis to return to free agency in summer of 2020 if he so chooses 18m
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 01, 2015, 12:27:13 AM
that's baseball money. Am I tripping or is that the largest NBA deal ever?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2015, 12:50:13 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 01, 2015, 12:27:13 AM
that's baseball money. Am I tripping or is that the largest NBA deal ever?

The insane thing is he is 22. Think about next contract when he will arguably be entering his prime.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2015, 12:50:56 AM
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The San Antonio Spurs have agreed in principle to a maximum contract extension with free-agent forward Kawhi Leonard moments into free agency, sources told ESPN.com.

The deal will be for five years and $90 million, though the final terms won't be established until next week and the maximum salary is finalized. The Spurs will likely wait to actually sign the contract so they can free up cap space to chase other free agents, including LaMarcus Aldridge, sources said.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: Mandark on July 01, 2015, 01:07:50 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 01, 2015, 12:27:13 AM
that's baseball money. Am I tripping or is that the largest NBA deal ever?

In total nominal dollars, yeah.  The max is set at a certain percent of the cap in the first year of the contract, so as the cap goes up the potential max goes up too.  Younger players usually don't make as much (25% of the cap, 30% if you've been in the league 7 years, 35% after 10 years), but there's a rule  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_salary_cap#.22Derrick_Rose.22_Rule)where you can get bumped up to 30% if you've been an all star starter or an all-NBA player for two years.

The crazy thing is Davis is leaving money on the table, because in a couple years the new TV contract is going to kick in and drastically raise the salary cap.  Everyone's going to have to recalibrate how we evaluate NBA contracts.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 01, 2015, 01:51:45 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 01, 2015, 01:07:50 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 01, 2015, 12:27:13 AM
that's baseball money. Am I tripping or is that the largest NBA deal ever?

In total nominal dollars, yeah.  The max is set at a certain percent of the cap in the first year of the contract, so as the cap goes up the potential max goes up too.  Younger players usually don't make as much (25% of the cap, 30% if you've been in the league 7 years, 35% after 10 years), but there's a rule  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_salary_cap#.22Derrick_Rose.22_Rule)where you can get bumped up to 30% if you've been an all star starter or an all-NBA player for two years.

The crazy thing is Davis is leaving money on the table, because in a couple years the new TV contract is going to kick in and drastically raise the salary cap.  Everyone's going to have to recalibrate how we evaluate NBA contracts.

Apparently LeBron will basically never sign another multi-year deal again because of that, just a bunch of 1 year deals with player options for 2nd year, then opting out and taking a new max deal every year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 01, 2015, 01:54:37 AM
Looking forward to people freaking out about LeBron signing 1yr deals for being "selfish" while being completely oblivious to the fact MJ did it too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: Your Stalker on July 01, 2015, 02:41:38 AM
Do Republicans buy Lebrons though?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: Mandark on July 01, 2015, 03:18:23 AM
MJ's salary in his last couple years was actually higher than the salary cap itself.  Also, up until this past season LeBron had never been the highest paid player on his own team.  Sports economics are weird.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2015, 08:57:04 AM
Jordan made $30 million in 1997 and $33 million in 1998. The salary caps were $24.4 million and $26.9 million. It didn't top Jordan's salary until 1999-2000 at $34 million.

Before the 1999 CBA, there was technically no max contract and teams could simply sign a bunch of free agents and then exceed the cap to sign their own players as there were no cap holds. That's how the Knicks vacuumed up a bunch of players in 1996.

Jordan's last Bulls contract was actually put up for auction last year :lol:
(http://www.jordans2015jansales.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/3-michael-jordan-33-million-1997-bulls-contract-auction-03.jpg)

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Free-agent guard Monta Ellis is engaged in serious talks on a possible three-year, $32 million-plus deal with the Indiana Pacers, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

Aminu signed a 4 year, $30 million deal with Portland.

The Bucks gave Khris Middleton $70 million over five years.

Hornets didn't make a qualifying offer to Biyombo.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2015, 10:35:29 AM
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ESPN sources say Goran Dragic has a five-year, $90 million deal from the Miami Heat
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: Beezy on July 01, 2015, 12:02:49 PM
Spurs keep Danny Green for 4 yrs, $45 mil. Also trading Splitter to the Hawks. Really hoping they land Aldridge now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2015, 12:18:48 PM
It's gonna take a bit to get used to the increased dollar values of players now with the rising salary cap. Its kinda hard at the moment to think of Danny Green as a player you pay 10 millions dollars a year to.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Free Agency begins July 1)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2015, 12:32:30 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on July 01, 2015, 12:16:45 PM
Lakers' meeting with Aldridge reportedly went "really well".

Woj does not agree.

 
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Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account
‏@WojYahooNBA
Lakers didn't make strong impression in Aldridge meeting, sources say. Spurs can close on him. LMA expected to make decision fairly soon.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2015, 12:43:17 PM
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Sources told ESPN that Carroll has agreed to a four-year, $60 million deal with the Raptors with no options.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Beezy on July 01, 2015, 12:56:37 PM
Woj = Varys
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2015, 12:59:13 PM
The problem is this Lakers centric view of basketball they are trying to sell just doesn't work anymore. You can be a star anywhere in the league now. It's not just New York or LA or Chicago that matter anymore. It's such an old school approach to think that people want to come to LA to just become stars anymore.

And obviously the Dark spectre of Kobe around doesn't help.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2015, 01:05:22 PM
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Free-agent shooting guard Dwyane Wade is pursuing a maximum contract with the Miami Heat, reports Yahoo! Sports' Adrian Wojnarowski.

Wade opted out of the final year of his contract, turning down the $16.1 million he would have made during the 2015–16 season had he opted in.

 :leon
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 01, 2015, 01:11:57 PM
Who exactly is going to pay Wade max money for 3+ years? He's trying to get Miami to get into a bidding war with itself.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Beezy on July 01, 2015, 01:25:24 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on July 01, 2015, 01:14:21 PM
I'd take anything Woj says with a grain of salt.
:neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 01, 2015, 01:26:13 PM
OBVIOUS TROLL IS SO OBVIOUS
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2015, 01:32:53 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on July 01, 2015, 01:11:57 PM
Who exactly is going to pay Wade max money for 3+ years?

The Knicks.

 :jawalrus

I'm not necessarily a big Woj guy myself. His articles are generally very one sided because they source from one side. But he does tend to have actual good sources at least even if its one side.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 01, 2015, 02:03:00 PM
Spurs clearing space for Aldridge by trading Tiago to Hawks

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--spurs-trade-tiago-splitter-to-hawks-to-free-cap-space-160331585.html

Sucks to be living in the past when the Lakers were relevant not just in LA, but the NBA in general
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on July 01, 2015, 02:14:19 PM
Lakers are still a year away from going into win now mode, LMA is 30. The deal didn't make sense to begin with
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2015, 02:57:19 PM
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"I'm going back to Cleveland.
After Game 1 of the NBA Finals, that’s when it really struck me. Sitting on the sidelines, I never wanted to play in a game more than that one. I had dreamed of playing in the NBA Finals and I just wanted to help my guys win. I couldn’t have been prouder of them as they poured their blood, sweat and tears onto the court.
Yeah, of course I’ve heard the free agency rumors. But at the end of the day, and after meeting with my teammates (it turns out pools are great meeting places) and with the front office, it was clear Cleveland was the place for me. We’re all on the same page and we’re all in. We have unfinished business and now it’s time to get back to work"

http://www.theplayerstribune.com/kevin-love-cavaliers-unfinished-business/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 01, 2015, 03:01:10 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on July 01, 2015, 02:50:36 PM
Love took a 5 year deal with the Cavs.

Cue the "Love more committed to Cavs than LeBron" whining
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2015, 03:05:45 PM
Now to assemble a bunch of junk parts around the big three.

Meet the new Shawn Marion.

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2015/07/cleveland_cavaliers_reach_out.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 01, 2015, 03:09:15 PM
Was Marion hurt during the finals or did Blatt just seriously think he was better off with a 7 player rotation and sitting Marion? Cause I will do that job for the league minimum if it's the latter case.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2015, 03:12:28 PM
It was almost certainly a blatt decision. He was hurt late in the year, but he had enough time to recover. And he played a little bit in the boston series. Honestly with the crazy money being tossed around, I can't help but think JR smith could do better than whatever the cavs can offer. I mean Danny Green is a 10-12 million dollar player now. That lifts all boats.

Hell people want Kendrick Perkins apparently as absurd as that sounds

http://newsok.com/report-kendrick-perkins-drawing-interest-from-rockets-pelicans-knicks/article/5431047
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2015, 03:48:13 PM
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ESPN sources say Tyson Chandler has agreed to a four-year deal with the Phoenix suns worth $52 million
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2015, 03:54:37 PM
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The Golden State Warriors and restricted free-agent forward Draymond Green have broken off contract talks, a source told Yahoo Sports on Wednesday.

The Warriors met with Green and agent B.J. Armstrong in Los Angeles after 12:01 a.m. ET on Tuesday when NBA free agents could first begin negotiating with teams, a source told Yahoo Sports. The Warriors were given the first opportunity to reach a contract agreement before Green considered talking with other teams. But with the breakdown in talks, Green is now open to meeting with other franchises immediately, the source said.

Green’s home state Detroit Pistons, the Atlanta Hawks and the Houston Rockets have shown interest in him, a league source told Yahoo Sports prior to the start of free agency. There are now a minimum of five teams interested in Green outside the Warriors, a source said. “The one thing I’ve been taught is to go into this thing with no expectations,” Green told Yahoo Sports this week. “When you do, that’s when it gets frustrating. That’s when it gets stressful. I just want to have fun and enjoy this process.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2015, 06:00:14 PM
Having the Buss children and Kobe chair a meeting.


 :rejoice


Time to cough up for Rondo!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2015, 06:05:56 PM
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Ramona Shelburne
@ramonashelburne


Lakers are "stunned" to hear how coolly their presentation was received by LMA. I spoke to 3-4 folks last night who felt good about it

 :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Steve Contra on July 01, 2015, 06:23:39 PM
The Lakers should keep Kobe around as management after he retires.  They could be the West Coast Knicks :whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2015, 06:28:10 PM
I can imagine the meeting.

Hi LaMarcus. I'm Jim Buss. I have no idea what I'm doing. Here is my sister. Same deal with her. Sitting at one end of the table is Kobe who basically has one foot in the basketball grave but is still going to shoot every time he touches the ball and then throw you under the bus when we lose. At the other end is our wacky coach who doesn't think 3 point shooting is a factor in modern basketball. Now here's Adam Levine and Toby Mcguire to convince you how cool Hollywood is.

Afterwards.

Boy I think that went well!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2015, 06:34:26 PM
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Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 9m9 minutes ago
Says once source close to the talks: Phoenix has moved into a contending position alongside San Antonio in the LaMarcus Aldridge Sweepstakes

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Shams Charania
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Free agent Paul Millsap has reached agreement with Atlanta on a likely two-year deal, third year option, league source tells RealGM.

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[Amick] LaMarcus Aldridge is unlikely to make a decision by tonight, I'm told, as he wants to hear what the Knicks have to say in meeting tomorrow.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Beezy on July 01, 2015, 06:45:19 PM
Lol why does Aldridge care what the Knicks have to say anymore? We have nothing. :stahp
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2015, 06:50:58 PM
I want him to go to the Spurs just for how insanely good they will be. Can you imagine a series between them and the warriors.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2015, 07:06:29 PM
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Mike Bresnahan ✔@Mike_Bresnahan
LaMarcus Aldridge will not be joining the Lakers, The Times has learned. They were a 50-50 choice but he disliked bball part of presentation

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Mike Bresnahan ✔@Mike_Bresnahan
Aldridge was floored in a good way by Houston's analytics, on-court projections in their presentation. Not so with the Lakers.

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Mike Bresnahan ✔@Mike_Bresnahan
More LMA: He and Kobe didn't quite gel. It's a little vague, but Aldridge apparently didn't quite get answers from Kobe he was seeking.

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Mike Bresnahan ✔@Mike_Bresnahan
Kobe spoke for about three minutes in the presentation, said he envisioned LaMarcus Aldridge working with him the same way Pau Gasol did.

Shit is just too funny.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 01, 2015, 07:11:05 PM
Fucking Kobe lol

I would like to see LMA go to Phoenix now that Chandler is here
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2015, 07:20:39 PM
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[Woike] #Clippers have agreed to a deal with Paul Pierce, per NBA sourceBeat Writer
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Pierce's three-year deal with Clippers will earn him nearly $10M, league source tells Yahoo Sports.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 01, 2015, 07:31:35 PM
3 years  ???

What a shelf life on him
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2015, 07:44:17 PM
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Source: Iman Shumpert has agreed to a four-year, $40 million deal with the Cavs. Last year is a player option.

My god the money being spent. Iman Shumpert. 10 million dollar player.



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Dave McMenamin
@mcten

This looks like a misprint when you read it today: Stephen Curry signed a 4-year, $44 million extension with Golden State in 2012. 3m
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2015, 10:04:48 PM
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-overwhelming-sound-and-fury-of-day-1-of-nba-free-agency/

You know lowe was in a 24 hour state of euphoria with all this shit going on.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Kara on July 01, 2015, 10:17:18 PM
Jeanie has been in sports FO since she was 18. Saying she's on the same level as Jim "the horse whisperer" Buss isn't even trolling it's so inaccurate.

Fuck Dr. Buss for loving Jim Buss irrationally.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 02, 2015, 01:23:22 AM
Final post of the crazy day

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The Warriors have agreed to terms on a five-year, $85 million deal with free agent forward Draymond Green.

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The Sacramento Kings have entered the race for Portland Trail Blazers free-agent swingman Wesley Matthews, according to league sources, and have agreed to a trade with the Philadelphia 76ers in an effort to clear salary-cap space.

The Kings, sources say, are now pursuing at least three top free agents: Monta Ellis, Rajon Rondo and Matthews, the latter of whom they have secured a face-to-face sitdown with on Thursday.

While Sacramento probably doesn't have enough cap space to sign two of them, it is getting closer after striking a deal with Philadelphia that calls for the 76ers to absorb the contracts of Carl Landry and Jason Thompson -- along with Sacramento's 2014 first-round pick Nik Stauskas -- to help the Kings take their cap space this summer past the $15 million threshold.

Grantland‎.com's Zach Lowe reported Wednesday night that, to complete the trade, Philadelphia will also receive a protected future first-round pick from the Kings while agreeing to swap picks with Sacramento in the first round of two other future drafts. It's believed that Philadelphia will also send the rights to at least one player it has already drafted ‎to Sacramento as part of the transaction.


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Omer Asik to sign 5-year, $60 million deal with Pelicans


 
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Brad TurnerVerified account
‏@BA_Turner
Lakers were "somewhat underwhelming" in presentation with DeAndre Jordan, sources. DJ felt Lakers had been on "whirlwind" last 24 hours.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: bluemax on July 02, 2015, 02:45:21 AM
Dang the Lakers can't even get DumbAndre Jordan to buy their shit. They really are the West Coast Knicks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 02, 2015, 06:58:23 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on July 01, 2015, 07:11:56 PM
He should just re-sign with Portland tbh.

LOL, them feels when you put on your A game and that bitch is still like nah......:ufup
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 02, 2015, 06:59:56 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2015, 07:06:29 PM
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Mike Bresnahan ✔@Mike_Bresnahan
LaMarcus Aldridge will not be joining the Lakers, The Times has learned. They were a 50-50 choice but he disliked bball part of presentation

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Mike Bresnahan ✔@Mike_Bresnahan
Aldridge was floored in a good way by Houston's analytics, on-court projections in their presentation. Not so with the Lakers.

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Mike Bresnahan ✔@Mike_Bresnahan
More LMA: He and Kobe didn't quite gel. It's a little vague, but Aldridge apparently didn't quite get answers from Kobe he was seeking.

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Mike Bresnahan ✔@Mike_Bresnahan
Kobe spoke for about three minutes in the presentation, said he envisioned LaMarcus Aldridge working with him the same way Pau Gasol did.

Shit is just too funny.


Good fucking lord will somebody please remind Kobe his game hasn't mattered since Obama has been in office. He's KILLING that team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 02, 2015, 12:32:35 PM
Monroe signed with Bucks so it looks like Knicks will go after Lopez. The problem for the knicks is that just failing and tanking next year isn't a good option for them because they don't have their first round pick. Gave it up for Bargnani.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 02, 2015, 01:21:56 PM
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ESPN sources say Monta Ellis and Indiana Pacers have agreed on a four-year, $44 million with an option to return to free agency after Year 3
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 02, 2015, 01:31:30 PM
For what its worth, the Lakers and knicks only truly have a few big name targets left.

LeBron James — Staying Cleveland

Marc Gasol —  Staying in Memphis

LaMarcus Aldridge —  Looks like Spurs or Suns

DeAndre Jordan —  Looks like back to the Clippers or Mavs.

Dwyane Wade — I have no idea what is happening here. I assume he stays with Heat.

Robin Lopez —  Knicks maybe

Wesley Matthews — Conflicting reports.

Tobias Harris — Restriced Free-Agent so the magic can match. And is Tobias Harris a sexy player to get a fanbase jazzed about?

 Lou Williams: Haven't heard anything. Good player but same situation as harris. He is like a sixth man.

edit: Forgot Rondo: Who knows where he is going.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Beezy on July 02, 2015, 01:44:48 PM
The rejection sucks, but Monroe would've ate up the rest of what the Knicks have to spend.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 02, 2015, 01:59:23 PM
Monta in Indy is a good pickup.  Healthy Paul George, George Hill played good ball last season, now Monta.  Should be a decent team next season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Beezy on July 02, 2015, 02:16:31 PM
They still need to replace Hibbert though. And West is leaving.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Mandark on July 02, 2015, 02:18:15 PM
Big market teams getting slaughtered in free agency and the Kings being a clown show.  Times like these when I miss etiolate.

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Steve Contra on July 02, 2015, 02:25:03 PM
Holy fuck of all the shit opinions Etiolate had his NBA ones were the worst, and he had some truly shitty opinions of just about everything else.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 02, 2015, 02:34:19 PM
And yet nobody signed with SacTown :lawd

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Mandark on July 02, 2015, 02:44:39 PM
They traded away a draft pick, the guy they got in the last draft (Stauskas) and possibly a couple pick-swaps to the 76ers...  just to salary dump.  They're using the cap space to try to sign Rajon Rondo (who's not good) and Wesley Matthews (who tore his Achilles).

Also Woj ran an item saying Vlade Divac doesn't really understand the salary cap or other NBA transaction rules*.  Also the relationship between their star player and coach has broken down so badly they might have a 4th coach in 7 months.

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Beezy on July 02, 2015, 03:02:18 PM
Knicks set the template for how not to treat your draft picks and the Kings go and copy it, smh.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 02, 2015, 03:48:50 PM
Just think if Dwayne signed with the Lakers, though. Walrus might finally die and none of us would have to suffer through his shitty NBA posts anymore. Do it, Dwayne. Do it for all of us.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Brehvolution on July 02, 2015, 04:09:43 PM
4 bad knees don't make 2 good ones.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 02, 2015, 05:00:34 PM
Knicks are looking towards David Lee via trade apparently.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Beezy on July 02, 2015, 07:01:35 PM
I'd prefer Robin Lopez for defensive reasons, but beggars can't be choosers. Lakers are interested in trading for Lee also.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Beezy on July 02, 2015, 07:05:55 PM
dbl post
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 02, 2015, 07:13:42 PM
Wade signs a one year, 20mil deal with the Heat

Risky contract for him. I think he should have gotten a 3 year/75mil deal
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 02, 2015, 07:56:24 PM
If he was willing to settle for a one year deal, as another team, I might have thrown max dollars at him. But then this is probably part of some extended negotiation with the heat that plays into the next deal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2015, 08:34:39 PM
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Quote from: https://instagram.com/p/4pnl1np-Sk/
Gabrielle Union
@gabunion


"Cool as the other side of the pillow..." #HeatNation #AllergicToNo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 02, 2015, 10:29:14 PM
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Highly coveted free agent LaMarcus Aldridge will take a second meeting with the Los Angeles Lakers and will have dinner with Pat Riley of the Miami Heat, sources told ESPN.com.

Aldridge's meeting with the Lakers will focus on just talking basketball with general manager Mitch Kupchak and coach Byron Scott, sources said.

 :neogaf

Now I kinda hope he does go to the Lakers. The whole season would be hilarious.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Beezy on July 03, 2015, 12:26:44 AM
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ESPN sources say Robin Lopez has chosen Knicks over Lakers and will join NYK as long as DeAndre Jordan, as expected, chooses Clips or Mavs

So Knicks get Afflalo + Lopez for decent prices/market value and have some money left over to work with. I can definitely live with that. :obama
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: benjipwns on July 03, 2015, 12:49:17 PM
https://twitter.com/nbacatwatch/status/617006410866499585
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 03, 2015, 12:54:23 PM
Pistons
:tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 03, 2015, 07:07:25 PM
DeAndre Jordan signed a 4-year max deal with the Mavs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Mandark on July 03, 2015, 07:19:36 PM
The Kings finally land a free agent, and it's Rondo for one year and 9-10 million dollars.  Looking forward to that Karl/Rondo/Boogie locker room.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: benjipwns on July 03, 2015, 07:53:49 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 03, 2015, 07:19:36 PM
The Kings finally land a free agent, and it's Rondo for one year and 9-10 million dollars. 
Hey! They're also signing Marco Belinelli for three years, $19 million!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: benjipwns on July 03, 2015, 07:54:13 PM
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Kevin Arnovitz writes of the Clippers' attempts to re-sign DeAndre Jordan: "[Chris] Paul never called, never texted, never made any attempt to reach out to Jordan at any time during the process. At a certain point, the balance of affection tipped, and there weren’t enough dinners at Katsu-Ya or testimonials to Jordan about how much he’d flourished under Rivers’ development to keep Jordan in Los Angeles."
:ufup
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 03, 2015, 08:48:42 PM
It's definitely a loss but I feel like its a relatively replaceable one.

Maybe I'm just not a big Deandre guy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 03, 2015, 09:01:53 PM
A big man who sucks on offense and can't hit FT's

one of the most overrated players in the league, and I LIKE him.  Dude is just there for rebounds/putbacks.

Mavs gonna suck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: bluemax on July 03, 2015, 09:44:41 PM
A big man who sucks on offense AND thinks he's deserving of being an All-Star and the focus of a team.

His high FG% is a mirage created by playing with two excellent passers in CP3 and Blake, his only points next year will come on offensive boards, playing with all these chuckers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Beezy on July 04, 2015, 12:06:37 AM
Knicks signed Derrick Williams for 2 yrs, $10 mil. Don't care for him, but whatever.

Tobias Harris back in Orlando for 4 yrs, $64 mil.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Beezy on July 04, 2015, 12:34:14 AM
Lakers fans just are just desperate now and want them to sign someone. Most of the big names are gone.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Mandark on July 04, 2015, 12:44:54 AM
Jordan's a good offensive player.  Rolling to the rim, catching/finishing, and getting putbacks might seem like relying on athleticism or on teammates, but they're skills.  Not all bigs can do those things and very few can do them even close to his level.  I know he had CP3 on his team, but you could've said that about Tyson Chandler in New Orleans, and he's maintained a high FG% ever since.  Dallas was able to set up him and Brandan Wright for shots at the rim, so why couldn't they do it with DJ?

If he expects to be the focal point of the offense, especially if it's through the post, that could be a problem, and yeah he's been a bit overrated on defense, even before Doc's DPOY lobbying.  But he's a 26 year old player who does really important things on both ends of the floor, the Clippers did way better with him on the court than off (even when you factor in CP3 and Blake), and he hasn't missed a game in four years.  This is a good signing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: benjipwns on July 04, 2015, 01:02:04 AM
During Chandlers run of 2011-15 where he's had comparable FG% (but better TS% because of FT%) he was at 73-80% assisted and 34-43% dunks. His usage was 13% and 15% turnovers. He shot 71% within 3 feet.

Jordan over the same span has discounting one wildly outlier season each been at 66-69% assisted, 51-54% dunks. With 13% usage and 15% turnovers. He's shot 72% within 3 feet.

They've both pulled down the same amount of boards unless DeAndre's 2013-15 rate continues forward which would be huge, while Jordan has swatted more shots. They both have gotten to the line at a rate of .66 to 1 FGA. Though Chandler is dropping from the .8 range towards .45 and Jordan is doing the opposite.

Considering they're getting Jordan at age 26 at less than the coming max (two years sooner than they got Chandler) with less of an injury history and missing three years of his prime playing so well for the Knicks, and it's not like the Mavs are a significantly less pass happy and good spacing team, he should help make a good core to lure some more guys in the next year or two to play with Dirk's last couple years.

(And Brandan Wright has the same kinda numbers all over his offense. So it wasn't just Chandler. And earlier the Mavs used Dampier and Diop of all people in similar lesser versions of the same role.)

The only major concern is if Doc Rivers actually has some kind of big man voodoo and it's why Perkins imploded instantly after leaving the Celtics or if that had some other reasons like his prior injury.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 04, 2015, 12:24:37 PM
And Aldridge as expected goes to the Spurs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Beezy on July 04, 2015, 01:26:08 PM
Spurs also trying to get David West. Dis gon' be gud.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 04, 2015, 01:34:32 PM
Apparently Cavs are going after him too. Although the cavs seem to have a longjam of power forwards and centers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Beezy on July 04, 2015, 06:06:42 PM
Lakers got Hibbert. :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 04, 2015, 06:47:20 PM
Quote from: Beezy on July 04, 2015, 06:06:42 PM
Lakers got Hibbert. :kobeyuck

Lols
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency mania begins!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 04, 2015, 11:43:10 PM
I feel like with the rising salary cap players will play longer in their careers. I mean if you can make bank and just use whatever skills you still have left at the end, I think people will do it.

or maybe they will just say fuck it, I've earned so much might as well call it.

We'll see in 10 years or so I guess.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency winding down)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 05, 2015, 01:41:37 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on July 05, 2015, 02:56:40 AM
Maybe your mom will still take cock in her 50s. I'm larger than your dad, so maybe she'll just say fuck it. We'll see in a few days or so I guess.

Wtf

Also I hate what Lebron is doing to the Cavs.  Dude is holding them hostage just so Tristan Thomspon can get the max, it's shameful.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency winding down)
Post by: Kara on July 05, 2015, 02:14:22 PM
I'm not going to say the Lolakers are the Neue Yuck Knix 2.0 until Kobe fucks off and retires, but from now on I am praying every day to the Ruinous Powers that AEG buys the Buss family out of the team. :money
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency winding down)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 05, 2015, 05:31:04 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on July 05, 2015, 02:56:40 AM
Maybe your mom will still take cock in her 50s. I'm larger than your dad, so maybe she'll just say fuck it. We'll see in a few days or so I guess.

 :crazy
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency winding down)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 06, 2015, 01:31:16 AM
Reggie Jackson/ 5 years, $80 million


 :leon
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency winding down)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 06, 2015, 09:20:50 AM
:goty
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency winding down)
Post by: Beezy on July 06, 2015, 09:35:09 AM
Cory Joseph got 4 years, $30 million. Smh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency winding down)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 06, 2015, 10:33:03 AM
If Reggie Jackson is worth 80 million, Tristan Thompson is too
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency winding down)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 06, 2015, 11:02:25 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 06, 2015, 10:33:03 AM
If Reggie Jackson is worth 80 million, Tristan Thompson is too

Thompson is going to get more than that. Probably 5/90 is my guess.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency winding down)
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 06, 2015, 11:18:18 AM
Well, it's a new era of advertising money. People shouldn't be disappointed because players are getting their cut.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency winding down)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 06, 2015, 12:02:55 PM
I don't think any rational person caress about how much these people make. The owners wouldn't be putting out the money if they weren't making shitloads themselves. I just think people don't quite know the current value of players relative to the salary cap.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency winding down)
Post by: Beezy on July 06, 2015, 04:52:39 PM
Spurs got David West for the vet minimum. He wasn't joking about taking less to join a contender. I'm honestly expecting them to go to the finals again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency winding down)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 06, 2015, 07:11:14 PM
Yeah, the spurs are pretty crazy at this point.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency winding down)
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2015, 08:18:41 PM
The one downside is they had to gut a bit of their bench. But Pop will handle it.

Pelton was projecting them at 65 wins even before they got West.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency winding down)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 06, 2015, 08:46:23 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 06, 2015, 08:18:41 PM
The one downside is they had to gut a bit of their bench. But Pop will handle it.

Pelton was projecting them at 65 wins even before they got West.

Seems kinda hard to accurately project Spurs wins, given how Pop rests players.

Will Manu come back?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency winding down)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 06, 2015, 11:00:38 PM
Cavs sign Mo Williams.  :lol

It's a cheap contract (2 years 4.3 mil) so its nothing to get mad about but its still kind of funny because of the history.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency winding down)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 06, 2015, 11:02:03 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 06, 2015, 11:00:38 PM
Cavs sign Mo Williams.  :lol

It's a cheap contract (2 years 4.3 mil) so its nothing to get mad about but its still kind of funny because of the history.

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency winding down)
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 06, 2015, 11:04:05 PM
I'm guessing Delonte won't be invited to training camp, eh?

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency winding down)
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2015, 11:07:53 PM
He should probably wait until LeBron resigns. Don't want to be left behind again as LeBron bolts to San Antonio.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency winding down)
Post by: bluemax on July 07, 2015, 02:42:02 AM
I can't believe I'm hoping the Clippers trade Crawful for Brendan Haywood.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency winding down)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 07, 2015, 02:51:47 PM
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ESPN sources say that the Boston Celtics have agreed to trade for David Lee 6m

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THIS JUST IN: Celtics trade Gerald Wallace for David Lee
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency winding down)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 07, 2015, 03:01:59 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 07, 2015, 02:51:47 PM
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ESPN sources say that the Boston Celtics have agreed to trade for David Lee 6m

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THIS JUST IN: Celtics trade Gerald Wallace for David Lee

Not surprised. He had to go. Good trade by the celts.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency winding down)
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 08, 2015, 01:04:42 PM
Quote from: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13221695/los-angeles-clippers-lobbying-deandre-jordan-back-deal-dallas-mavericks
The Los Angeles Clippers are trying to persuade DeAndre Jordan to reconsider his decision to sign with the Mavericks after Jordan verbally committed to join Dallas last week, according to league sources.

Free agents are traditionally considered off limits once they strike a verbal agreement with a team during the NBA's annual moratorium period, but sources said the Clippers have pushed to secure a meeting Wednesday in Houston for coach and team president Doc Rivers and possibly owner Steve Ballmer to make one last face-to-face pitch to Jordan in an attempt to persuade him to walk away from the four-year, $80-plus million max deal he committed to with the Mavericks and instead stay with L.A.

Sources say that in recent days some Clippers players also have been in contact with Jordan, who informed both teams of his decision on Friday before flying to his offseason home in Houston.

Thursday is the first day teams and players can formally sign contracts once the moratorium is lifted. Sources say the Clippers, since Jordan's return to Houston, have been bypassing his representatives from Relativity Sports and have been urging him to take the Clippers' offer instead while there's still time.

The desperation is strong. :heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency winding down)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 08, 2015, 01:37:01 PM
pls bb come back
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency winding down)
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 08, 2015, 02:02:30 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on July 08, 2015, 01:48:56 PM
Would be amazing if he did it.

If I was DAJ, I'd probably be more offended than happy about this eleventh hour pitch. It's like "Oh, now you suddenly care about me enough to make an actual effort?"

But I don't know what's in his heart or what's on his mind, of course.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency winding down)
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 08, 2015, 02:46:38 PM
Well, now it looks like DAJ going back to LA is basically happening already and Dallas is going to be left holding an empty bag. :beli
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency winding down)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 08, 2015, 08:38:35 PM
Quote
[Stein] DeAndre Jordan indicates to Clips he intends to stay BUT team reps not leaving DJ until he signs

[Stein] Mavs now fear they won't now get audience with Jordan as Clips have essentially surrounded him

[Shelburne] Clippers believe DJ is returning to LA but I'm told they are staying at his house until he can sign at midnight

 :mindblown :gurl :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency winding down)
Post by: dkdk on July 08, 2015, 08:42:49 PM
Fuckery  :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency winding down)
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 08, 2015, 08:52:15 PM
Mark Cuban should kidnap him and take him on a zany roadtrip and make a movie about it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency winding down)
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 08, 2015, 09:47:38 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 08, 2015, 08:38:35 PM
Quote
[Stein] DeAndre Jordan indicates to Clips he intends to stay BUT team reps not leaving DJ until he signs

[Stein] Mavs now fear they won't now get audience with Jordan as Clips have essentially surrounded him

[Shelburne] Clippers believe DJ is returning to LA but I'm told they are staying at his house until he can sign at midnight

 :mindblown :gurl :dead

I can't believe this is even real, it's like something out of a bad movie.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency winding down)
Post by: dkdk on July 08, 2015, 09:56:58 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJb3-6JWgAEqNvo.jpg)

 :stahp :stahp :stahp
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency winding down)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 08, 2015, 09:58:09 PM
(http://giant.gfycat.com/EsteemedInfantileEquestrian.gif)
unaware huh :hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency winding down)
Post by: dkdk on July 08, 2015, 10:23:25 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on July 08, 2015, 10:06:31 PM
I might have a good team in LA to root for next season :rejoice

yeah it's all good until they don't make it past the 2nd round. again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency winding down)
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2015, 10:51:18 PM
https://twitter.com/blakegriffin32/status/618960135050825729
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency winding down)
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2015, 10:55:01 PM
https://twitter.com/chandlerparsons/status/618973316573958144
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency winding down)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 08, 2015, 11:04:24 PM
hoooooly shit :rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Free Agency winding down)
Post by: bluemax on July 08, 2015, 11:05:20 PM
Cuban's brother putting Broussard on blast is the highlight of a day of highlights.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("Et tu, DeAndre ...?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 08, 2015, 11:32:30 PM
Part of me wants to rip on DeAndre but I can't because I appreciate the drama so much. This was WWE level and that's always a good thing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("Et tu, DeAndre ...?)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on July 09, 2015, 12:00:08 AM
(http://niketalk.com/content/type/61/id/1619703/width/500/height/1000/flags/LL)
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("Et tu, DeAndre ...?)
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 09, 2015, 12:12:26 AM
And now we wait for that moment sometime early next season when Jordan realizes all that things that made him consider leaving LA in the first place haven't changed at all.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("Et tu, DeAndre ...?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 09, 2015, 12:34:22 AM
Honestly from Jordan's perspective its a better situation. That team is better than the Mavs if he had gone there. I always thought he should have stayed. Maybe he shouldn't have needed to be all coddled but in the long run, its the right move.

The real thing is let's see if all that talk about improving his free throws actually turns into something. If he could just hit 60% of them, it would help his game immensely.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("Et tu, DeAndre ...?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 09, 2015, 12:39:42 AM
http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/13224498/deandre-jordan-took-coward-way-decision-not-sign-dallas-mavericks

 :umad

Quote
But he took the coward's way out, refusing to accept phone calls from the Mavs' front office or his good buddy Chandler Parsons. Nor did he return text messages or tell owner Mark Cuban face-to-face why he changed his mind -- a decision that will take the Mavs years to overcome.

Quote
Jordan left nothing but a wrecked franchise. How wild is that? A few days ago, the Mavs felt good about their two-year plan to build a legitimate contender.

Now, the entire franchise is in disarray because a 26-year-old free agent changed his mind.

Obviously if the Mavs were my team, I'd be feeling a bit salty at the moment too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("Et tu, DeAndre ...?)
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2015, 12:45:12 AM
Remember when the big thing was Dwight Coward?

Jordan's handled it better than that affair over two and a half years.

He's not the first to back out after the moratorium. Hedo Turkoglu did it with the Blazers for Toronto a few years back.

The most famous example for a while was probably Carlos Boozer backing out of a technically "illegal" "wink-wink" deal with Cleveland to continue his minimum salary contract for a larger payday to take Utah's max offer.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("Et tu, DeAndre ...?)
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2015, 12:45:38 AM
Also, I saw someone from ESPN tweet that today was the fifth anniversary of The Decision.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("Et tu, DeAndre ...?)
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 09, 2015, 01:19:43 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 09, 2015, 12:45:12 AM
He's not the first to back out after the moratorium. Hedo Turkoglu did it with the Blazers for Toronto a few years back.

Jason Kidd did it to the Mavericks a few years ago, but he was already old as hell by then, so it wasn't a big deal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("Et tu, DeAndre ...?)
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2015, 01:26:38 AM
The McDyess story is still the best.

He was leaning towards resigning with Denver, but then he got a bit of cold feet and Kidd and the other Suns all called him saying how much they wanted him back and that they were coming up to Denver to see him.

Dan Issel ordered Pepsi Center security to not allow them into the building under any circumstances, and McDyess thought he got stood up. So he resigned with Denver.

Dan Issel was such a bastard.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("Et tu, DeAndre ...?)
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2015, 02:59:10 AM
Quote
Entire #Raptors roster: $73 million
Joe Johnson, Deron Williams, Brook Lopez and Young: $76.9 million

https://instagram.com/p/45uh7syjQY/
https://twitter.com/paulpierce34/status/618997675979988993
https://twitter.com/LAClippers/status/618994324458487810

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("Et tu, DeAndre ...?)
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2015, 03:01:10 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/KVltLX0.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("Et tu, DeAndre ...?)
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2015, 04:43:12 AM
(http://cdn.niketalk.com/8/88/350x700px-LL-88bb8c63_WxeuyzT.jpeg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("Et tu, DeAndre ...?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 09, 2015, 12:01:50 PM
Quote
Mark Cuban ‏@mcuban  2h2 hours ago
.@Chris_Broussard that's is the dumbest shit Ive ever heard. If you had any ethics u would msg me and I will give u his address

Quote
Chris BroussardVerified account
‏@Chris_Broussard
@mcuban if you had the address last night, you would've gone to the house. I stand by my multiple sources who had u calling & texting them

drama!
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("Et tu, DeAndre ...?)
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 09, 2015, 01:10:07 PM
DeAndre Judas
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("Et tu, DeAndre ...?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 09, 2015, 02:04:12 PM
As expected Lebron signs his two year deal with 1 year opt out for the raise.

2 years/47 million.



Title: Re: The NBA thread ("Et tu, DeAndre ...?)
Post by: Kara on July 09, 2015, 02:20:09 PM
Boozer lying to a blind man is one of the great betrayalatons.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("Et tu, DeAndre ...?)
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 09, 2015, 06:09:53 PM
The more I think about it, the more I'm coming around to the idea that this was Jordan's plan from the start and he never was serious about signing with the Mavs. What he wanted was to keep playing in LA, but felt like the Clippers, and especially CP3, didn't appreciate what he brought to the team. So, he shopped around until he found out just how desperate the Mavs were, promised to sign with them, and then let Cuban and Parsons crow about what an amazing deal they made by getting this top-tier player. With the clock winding down, he picked up the phone and told Doc Rivers that he was having second thought about his decision. Then the whole Clippers organization rushes down to Houston to tell Jordan what an amazing player he is and how sorry they are that they didn't appreciate him. Now, he goes back to LA a hero and the man who put one over on old Mark Cuban.

But maybe that's giving him too much credit and really he's just a flaky guy who can't decide what he wants.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("Et tu, DeAndre ...?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 09, 2015, 06:56:07 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 09, 2015, 06:09:53 PM
But maybe that's giving him too much credit and really he's just a flaky guy who can't decide what he wants.

This.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("Et tu, DeAndre ...?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 09, 2015, 07:26:40 PM
Portland is making OKC pay the max for Kanter. Which means they will have to salary dump a few players.

Quote
Zach Lowe @ZachLowe_NBA
OKC is just about $2.5M under the tax, so a max deal for Kanter would cost them nearly $40M.

Quote
Zach Lowe @ZachLowe_NBA
OKC will likely match, + then look to deal Novak/Augustin/PJII for $0. But POR is forcing their hand. Lots of teams were rooting for this.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ("Et tu, DeAndre ...?)
Post by: Brehvolution on July 09, 2015, 08:29:37 PM
Kanter is a beast in my NBA2K13 league about 6 seasons into the future.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 10, 2015, 06:08:53 PM
DeAndre Jordan out, Deron Williams in:

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2015-07-10/deron-williams-nets-buyout-agreement-free-agent-mavericks?eadid=SOC%2FFB%2FSNMain
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 10, 2015, 06:35:44 PM
Holy shit, I saw that this morning and was like, he can't be serious about a buyout.

Guess the Mavs can pay him a lot though.

EDIT: Guess they won't:
Quote
Williams will sign with his hometown Mavericks. ESPN reports Williams and the Mavericks are expected to sign a two-year deal worth about $10 million
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 10, 2015, 06:46:37 PM
Predictions for 1-8 in each conference next season?

East:

1) Cavs
2) Heat
3) Bulls
4) Hawks
5) Bucks
6) Pacers
7) Celtics
8) Wizards

West:

1) Warriors
2) Spurs
3) Rockets
4) Grizzlies
5) Clippers
6) Thunder
7) Jazz
8) Pelicans
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 10, 2015, 06:51:11 PM
Amare signed with the Heat.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on July 10, 2015, 07:53:20 PM
Really just hope Wade can play 70+ games, Bosh doesn't almost die again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on July 10, 2015, 08:51:38 PM
hibbert da god
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 11, 2015, 04:50:18 AM
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2015/0710/aldridge_headtwo.PNG)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 11, 2015, 04:52:43 AM
Quote
DeAndre Jordan ✔@deandrejordan6
I want to publicly apologize to one of the best owners in the world @MCuban, the @DallasMavs and their fans.

DeAndre Jordan ✔@deandrejordan6
I am humbled by @DallasMavs & @MCuban kindness and understanding. I am sorry to have a change of heart.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 11, 2015, 01:44:20 PM
Quote
Keith Pompey – Verified account ‏@PompeyOnSixers

According to sources,#Sixers center Joel Embiid will have a second surgery and is likely to miss 2015-16 season.  http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/deep-sixer/Embiid-likely-to-miss-season-after-2d-surgery.html …
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2015, 04:37:04 PM
fffuck
:tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2015, 02:22:07 AM
Quote
The Sacramento Kings are closing in on signing former No. 1 overall draft pick Andrea Bargnani, according to league sources.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2015, 02:23:45 AM
I love trolling Duke players but Okafar has some of the softest hands I've seen in awhile. And great foot work.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2015, 03:38:05 AM
Another good set of Kobe highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSe80qSgXVA
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2015, 03:39:15 AM
Also, remember when he waived off the Malone pick on Jordan in the All-Star Game, you'd have think he raped someone from some of that response.

And not just from airjudden.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Kara on July 12, 2015, 04:29:08 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 12, 2015, 02:22:07 AM
Quote
The Sacramento Kings are closing in on signing former No. 1 overall draft pick Andrea Bargnani, according to league sources.

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 12, 2015, 09:03:46 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on July 12, 2015, 03:25:46 AM
Someone posted this on a Lakers board. Kobe in summer league 1996:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE7iCJHscu4

17 year old absolutely shitting on people.  :uguu

What I wouldn't give to go back and watch it all over again  :tocry

That's pretty awesome, he was like a young Lebron James out there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 13, 2015, 09:05:59 AM
Anybody watch the summer league? That strife between Cousins and Karl is amazing to watch. They were at the same game this weekend, Karl was sitting all the way across the damn court from Vlade and Cousins. Dead man walking.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 13, 2015, 09:15:20 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 10, 2015, 06:46:37 PM
Predictions for 1-8 in each conference next season?

East:

1) Cavs
2) Heat
3) Bulls
4) Hawks
5) Bucks
6) Pacers
7) Celtics
8) Wizards

West:

1) Warriors
2) Spurs
3) Rockets
4) Grizzlies
5) Clippers
6) Thunder
7) Jazz
8) Pelicans

1) Cavs
2) Bulls
3) Hawks
4) Bucks
5) Heat
6) Pacers
7) Wizards
8) Celtics

Your west looks about right.

Finals: Spurs over Cavs in 6
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 13, 2015, 02:45:09 PM
Quote from: Vularai on July 12, 2015, 04:29:08 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 12, 2015, 02:22:07 AM
Quote
The Sacramento Kings are closing in on signing former No. 1 overall draft pick Andrea Bargnani, according to league sources.

 :lol

Quote
The Brooklyn Nets have swooped in to sign former No. 1 overall pick Andrea Bargnani, swiping him away at the 11th hour from the Sacramento Kings.

...

Sources told ESPN.com the Kings were actually offering more money over the next two seasons than Brooklyn, but Bargnani preferred the fit with the Nets and opted for a two-year veterans minimum deal that includes a player option to return to free agency after the coming season
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 15, 2015, 09:28:54 PM
Quote
LEBRON WINS ESPY AGAIN
After winning Best Championship Performance for the third time in four years -- despite not winning a championship this season -- LeBron James said: "Second-place got me this. I wasn't expecting this at all."
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJ_zOQSVEAEcaZf.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 16, 2015, 09:40:04 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on July 15, 2015, 11:12:17 PM
WTF? Madison Bumgarner in a winning effort was a hell of a lot more deserving.

Bullshit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 16, 2015, 11:30:47 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on July 15, 2015, 11:12:17 PM
WTF? Madison Bumgarner in a winning effort was a hell of a lot more deserving.

You should be celebrating this, Lebron winning that award stings much more since he lost the Finals.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 16, 2015, 02:51:05 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2524470-colin-cowherd-to-part-ways-with-espn-latest-details-comments-and-reaction?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 16, 2015, 02:55:59 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 16, 2015, 02:51:05 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2524470-colin-cowherd-to-part-ways-with-espn-latest-details-comments-and-reaction?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

:rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on July 16, 2015, 03:44:58 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 16, 2015, 02:51:05 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2524470-colin-cowherd-to-part-ways-with-espn-latest-details-comments-and-reaction?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/1694410/john-wall-dougie-o.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 16, 2015, 03:51:46 PM
I honestly didn't realize how big Colin was until a few years ago. I didn't realize he was big enough that people took him seriously. I always thought he was some minor radio personality until he started becoming a part of every sports discussion that reached a certain level.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 16, 2015, 04:03:45 PM
I think I dislike Cowherd more than Jason Whitlock, and that's saying something. Dude is a colossal piece of shit who filled the Trump scale of "saying racist shit" long ago.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 16, 2015, 06:07:00 PM
I was tired of Colin's shtick even back when I was still in college and it's been six years since I graduated.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 16, 2015, 06:08:58 PM
Wake me up when ESPN has Skip Bayless thrown into the sun, then I'll give a shit
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on July 16, 2015, 11:54:15 PM
Clippers signed Josh Smith. If they can somehow move Crawford for a decent backup PG then I'll be pretty happy with this off season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 17, 2015, 07:05:01 AM
Quote from: bluemax on July 16, 2015, 11:54:15 PM
Clippers signed Josh Smith. If they can somehow move Crawford for a decent backup PG then I'll be pretty happy with this off season.

Pretty sure he's going to the Cavs for Haywood's corpse/contract.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 18, 2015, 09:15:59 AM
Delly  wants 4 a season for 1 1/2 good games

Dat NBA logic.  :hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 18, 2015, 02:35:05 PM
I don't honestly think that's an outrageously bad contract or anything relative to the market. The problem is the cavs have to pay so much for the rest of the roster that paying market value for delly means crazy taxes for being over the cap. It's not just a 4 million dollar contract in that sense because every dollar they are going over the cap has bigger tax ramifications.


They don't have any people anymore who they are getting on the cheap. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 19, 2015, 11:16:31 PM
Quote
The Houston Rockets, without surrendering anyone in their playoff rotation, have struck a deal to acquire troubled Denver Nuggets guard Ty Lawson, according to league sources.

Sources told ESPN.com that the Rockets and Nuggets have agreed to a trade that will land Lawson in the ever-competitive Southwest Division for a package of non-guaranteed contracts and a 2016 protected first-round pick.

The Nuggets, sources say, will acquire the non-guaranteed contract of forward Kostas Papanikolaou and the partially guaranteed contract of veteran guard Pablo Prigioni along with Joey Dorsey, Nick Johnson and the future first-round pick.

Sources say Denver will also send a 2017 second-round pick to Houston with Lawson, who is currently in rehab in Los Angeles after his second DUI arrest in 2015.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 20, 2015, 08:38:35 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 19, 2015, 11:16:31 PM
Quote
The Houston Rockets, without surrendering anyone in their playoff rotation, have struck a deal to acquire troubled Denver Nuggets guard Ty Lawson, according to league sources.

Sources told ESPN.com that the Rockets and Nuggets have agreed to a trade that will land Lawson in the ever-competitive Southwest Division for a package of non-guaranteed contracts and a 2016 protected first-round pick.

The Nuggets, sources say, will acquire the non-guaranteed contract of forward Kostas Papanikolaou and the partially guaranteed contract of veteran guard Pablo Prigioni along with Joey Dorsey, Nick Johnson and the future first-round pick.

Sources say Denver will also send a 2017 second-round pick to Houston with Lawson, who is currently in rehab in Los Angeles after his second DUI arrest in 2015.

Wow, huge deal for Houston and exactly what they need. Will be interesting to see if Lawson and The Beard get along.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 21, 2015, 10:00:31 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/NDRTkBe.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 21, 2015, 10:28:29 AM
I like Pippen as much as the next fella but he's punching above his weight here.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2015, 05:18:33 PM
Why would Kobe be on that all-time Lakers team instead of Jerry West?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2015, 05:20:16 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Swapping out Baylor for West would be better since there's no way Elgin, Kareem and Shaq could share the post.
[close]
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2015, 09:24:59 PM
Cuban screwed again:
Quote
The Cleveland Cavaliers are closing in on a deal to sign veteran swingman Richard Jefferson, according to league sources.

Sources said Jefferson, who committed to re-sign with the Dallas Mavericks earlier this month, changed his mind in recent days and is finalizing a one-year veteran minimum deal with the Cavaliers instead.

Decent move:
Quote
Veteran center Kendrick Perkins is joining the New Orleans Pelicans, according to league sources.

Sources told ESPN.com that Perkins and the Pelicans were finalizing a deal Tuesday night to bring him to New Orleans on a one-year contract for the veterans minimum.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 22, 2015, 12:19:30 PM
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/bill-simmons-lands-mega-deal-808227?utm_source=twitter
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 22, 2015, 12:20:29 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 22, 2015, 12:19:30 PM
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/bill-simmons-lands-mega-deal-808227?utm_source=twitter

Wow, HBO, didn't see that one coming.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 22, 2015, 12:30:19 PM
Don't know about the money but creatively, much better situation for him. He doesn't have to pretend he's doing old school journalism anymore so conflicts like the Goodell situation won't occur any more. He gets better contact with higher profile people to do the documentary stuff. And hbo has more prestige than espn which gives it more clout in certain circles
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 22, 2015, 12:36:53 PM
Makes sense for HBO. Simmons can become what they (HBO) hoped Joe Buck was trying to do with his talk show. Plus it opens HBO up to the world of podcasting and maybe they can monetize that.

Personally, I was hoping he would be attached to Yahoo sports. I think it would've been a better fit and allowed him a wider audience.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 22, 2015, 12:45:38 PM
I think the documentary stuff is just as important, if not more important than the sports stuff for him so I think that's why hbo makes more sense than the others. Not to mention, his podcasts were full of hbo show talk for years.

Yahoo did resign Woj recently not that I overly care about that.



Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 22, 2015, 01:11:00 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on July 22, 2015, 12:34:00 PM
Too bad he'll still be as much of a hack as ever.

boothisman

Bill Simmons is a fanboy but he's a talented writer, producer, and leader.  Giving him a loose talk show where he controls the content and format is a win for him and for his fans.  He was awful in ESPN programming because of the rigid format.  His long video podcasts were a treat.

I think its great that he's getting not only a show (I hope Stewart joins him), but a whole new platform.  Television, podcasts, articles, documentaries, maybe even some new-age technology ventures.  I could see HBO wanting to throw their hat into the ring for broadcasting rights beyond boxing if they have the infrastructure to do so.  NBC Sports has plenty to steal away.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on July 22, 2015, 03:35:34 PM
Simmons' own stuff isn't fantastic, and I found him really grating in the Page 2 days.  But he used his clout to hire a bunch of young writers and provide them with space, support, and an audience, without pressuring them to conform to his style.  Maybe most of that credit should go to the other Grantland editors, but look at the shitshow with Jason Whitlock.

Between Grantland and 30 For 30, Simmons has been behind two of ESPN's better new initiatives in the last five or six years.  Unless it's a really unambitious "the Sports Guy hangs and bullshits with his old college buddies!" format, I'll definitely give whatever he does on HBO a shot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 22, 2015, 04:46:09 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13301887/nba-leaning-no-playoff-guarantee-division-winners-adam-silver-says

Don't really care and its most likely the right thing to do but why not go the full step and get rid of divisions period. The rivalry aspect of them is 90% gone anyway.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 22, 2015, 04:59:23 PM
I'm guessing he'll have a weekly show and also do sports docs, which could be very interesting with HBO's resources/freedom.

Personally I find his fanboy shit too grating, and agree that the people/writers he surrounded himself with are more interesting. So I'm in, basically.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 22, 2015, 07:07:48 PM
NBA Player Association Awards

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2015 NBPA Award Winners
Award     Winner
Most Valuable Player   James Harden, SG, Houston Rockets
Best Defender   DeAndre Jordan, C, Los Angeles Clippers
Man of the Year   Ray Allen
Hardest to Guard   Stephen Curry, PG, Golden State Warriors
Clutch Performer   Stephen Curry, PG, Golden State Warriors
Coach You Most Want to Play For   Gregg Popovich, San Antonio Spurs
Game-Changer Honor   Allen Iverson
Oscar Robertson Visionary Award   Chris Paul, PG, Los Angeles Clippers
Best Homecourt Advantage   Oracle Arena (Golden State Warriors)
Player You Secretly Wish Was on Your Team   LeBron James, SF, Cleveland Cavaliers


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KlcoLnI-OQ
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 22, 2015, 11:15:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp6nAQTK6i8

18:55

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp6nAQTK6i8#t=18m55s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp6nAQTK6i8#t=18m55s)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 23, 2015, 08:16:21 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on July 22, 2015, 05:06:58 PM
Do 1-16 playoff seeding already. It's tiring seeing Eastern stars getting to pad their legacies against scrubs, even if the better team usually does win out in the end.

Shut the fuck up. Your sports knowledge is on par with your ability to understand nobody wants to hear your fucking guitar. Go fuck yourself.


Actually though;

(http://media.giphy.com/media/F1EqNgksWjSaQ/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 23, 2015, 11:34:31 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on July 23, 2015, 10:36:17 AM
:lol

I wouldn't actually want 1-16 seeding unless they expanded the schedule. Too much travel time, which means the players will be more fatigued, which means lower quality of play and higher risk of injuries. If you cut some regular season games to give the playoffs an extra week or two, it might work.

Conference playoffs are fine. I just hope the East doesn't stay this weak (aside from Cleveland) for too much longer. Seems like there are a few teams who aren't too far away from being elite, but are just missing that one guy.

I actually like the top 16 going. But as stated you might as well remove the divisions as they essentially don't matter anymore. I do think you need to keep 8 and 8 as regards to conferences though just for the sake of fans. I mean what? 3 east teams would have made it this year?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2015, 11:42:37 AM
Does anyone want to see a 1 v 16 match in the NBA? That type of seeding works in the NCAA in large part because only one game is played, and while a 16 can't beat a 1, things get a lot more interesting after that. Who wants to see a seven game series with that type of seeding...bleh.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Kara on July 23, 2015, 11:45:29 AM
I'd rather see chronically poor owners dealt with before going to single table.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 23, 2015, 11:47:14 AM
Quote from: Vularai on July 23, 2015, 11:45:29 AM
I'd rather see chronically poor owners dealt with before going to single table.

Problem lies in that if they are paying the bills they aren't going anywhere (I'm looking at you, Dolans) . Failing franchises bleeding money is another matter altogether(Sac/Min/Brooklyn)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 23, 2015, 03:46:37 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2015, 11:42:37 AM
Does anyone want to see a 1 v 16 match in the NBA? That type of seeding works in the NCAA in large part because only one game is played, and while a 16 can't beat a 1, things get a lot more interesting after that. Who wants to see a seven game series with that type of seeding...bleh.

Okay, sure.

But THE following would be good shit;

7v8
6v9
5v10
4v11

These all could actually be teams separated by 4 wins ot less. Would make for some dramatic shit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on July 23, 2015, 03:49:28 PM
I'd like a system where the top seeds get to pick who they play.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2015, 07:36:14 PM
Better yet give me a StarCraft proleague-esque system where teams get to pick which division they're in
:lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2015, 01:24:54 AM
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FOR JOSH SMITH, $6.9 MILLION ISN'T ENOUGH
Smith will make $1.5M from the Clippers this season, and will also get a reported $5.4M annually through 2020 from Detroit -- but wants more: "At the end of the day I do have a family. So it is going to be a little harder on me this year. But I'm going to push through it and try to do something long term after this year."
:spreewellsyachtbeingrepossessed
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on July 25, 2015, 01:34:00 PM
and will also get a reported $5.4M annually through 2020 from Detroit

:dead :dead :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on July 25, 2015, 02:08:14 PM
When everyone was making fun of his shot selection the last couple seasons, I could've sworn there was an article years back about how the coaching staff in Atlanta had talked with him and he was having his best season by dedicating himself to attacking the paint.  After his first year in Detroit it felt like I must have hallucinated it.

But no!  Look (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smithjo03.html) at his 2009-10 season.  He takes 7 3PA the entire season, after averaging more than 100 per year, and 23% of his shots are from 16 feet or more, easily the lowest of his career.  He has the best or second-best FG%, TS%, PER and win shares of his career.  It was also the only time in the Mike Woodson era that the Hawks won more than 50 games.

Then the next year he took more long jumpers than he ever had, and never went below those being 40% of his shots.  I wonder if Larry Drew and his staff thought that was the best way to use them or didn't feel they had the rapport that Woodson had or what.  I'm sure there's a minor story there, just need some NBA reporter to ask Smoove "so why do you take those awful shots?"
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2015, 02:18:35 PM
Quote from: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2014/01/14/josh-smith-nba-detroit-pistons/4480085/

He doesn't want to make his game about when numbers when that's what his critics want to do. Asked if he knew his shooting percentages from those ranges, Smith said he didn't.

"I just play basketball," he said. "I'm a basketball player. People try to throw statistics in there. I'm not one to look at where I am on the court (when I shoot).

"I'm confident in each and every play I make. I don't think about it. I just play and play with confidence."

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Quote from: http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2014-12-22/josh-smith-waived-detroit-pistons-atlanta-hawks-stan-van-gundy-joe-dumars-rick-sund
Go back to the early autumn of 2009 to get a sense of where things went wrong for Smith. Before the season got underway, Hawks general manager Rick Sund approached Smith and talked with him about changing his game. Stop with the 3s, Sund told him. Focus on defense, focus on rebounding. Attack the rim in the paint.

If he did, Sund told him, he would have a chance at an All-Star spot and Defensive Player of the Year.

Smith did as he was asked. He took 87 3s the year before, but only seven in 2009-10. He worked in the paint and took 55.0 percent of his shots within 3 feet of the rim, easily a career-high for a guy who has taken just 37.5 percent of his shots that close.

Smith averaged 15.7 points on a career-best 50.5 percent shooting. He averaged 8.7 rebounds, 2.1 blocks and 1.6 steals. It was a magnificent overall season, and the Hawks won 53 games, their fifth-best record in the franchise’s 65 years.

But Smith was not chosen for the All-Star game. When the Defensive Player of the Year votes were counted, Smith was second, well behind Dwight Howard. He wasn’t even named first-team All-Defense. It was deflating. The Hawks had gotten Smith to change his approach, but the individual rewards did not follow as expected.

The next year? Smith was back to his old ways, his 3-point attempts ballooning from seven to 154. He was still a good player, but the Hawks were not able to sell him on being an annual Defensive Player of the Year candidate. Smith just wasn’t buying it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 27, 2015, 12:57:38 AM
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The Cleveland Cavaliers have agreed to trade Mike Miller and Brendan Haywood to the Portland Trail Blazers in a deal aimed to create future options and save luxury-tax money, sources told ESPN.com.

The Blazers will likely cut Haywood and could eventually work a buyout with Miller and will receive two future second-round picks from the Cavs for facilitating the deal with their cap space.

The Cavs will create two trade exceptions with the move, one for $10.5 million, which will be the largest active trade exception in the league, and the other for $2.94 million. The Cavs will also receive cash in the deal, sources said.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 30, 2015, 12:43:05 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/13328958/los-angeles-lakers-coach-byron-scott-says-kobe-bryant-play-power-forward

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Coach Byron Scott told NBA.com it's possible Bryant could spend time at power forward.

"If we don't get another guard, then Kobe's in that mix," Scott said of a potential switch. "I'm kind of going through those scenarios. But not necessarily as far as who's starting and who doesn't. ... I think [Bryant] will play more 3 than 2. If we can get him at the elbows and at the mid-post, the more effective he'll be.

"I don't think he needs to be using up the whole 94-foot floor. If we can cut that down some, I think that saves his legs as much as possible. But if we can get him where he operates best, which to me is elbows on each area, top of the key, at the pinch post, at the mid-post, then I think he can be real effective for us."
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"Kobe can play 1, 2 and 3," Scott told NBA.com. "There's no doubt in my mind. And there's some games, against some teams, where he'll probably play 4. With his tenaciousness, the way he guards people and when his mind is set, if I say, 'Kobe, you've got him,' he takes that as a challenge. You know how he is. He'll compete."
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 30, 2015, 12:44:14 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/story/_/page/instantawesome-ArenasCarnival-150727/here-happens-gilbert-arenas-plays-carnival-basketball-game

 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 30, 2015, 11:57:30 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 25, 2015, 01:24:54 AM
Quote
FOR JOSH SMITH, $6.9 MILLION ISN'T ENOUGH
Smith will make $1.5M from the Clippers this season, and will also get a reported $5.4M annually through 2020 from Detroit -- but wants more: "At the end of the day I do have a family. So it is going to be a little harder on me this year. But I'm going to push through it and try to do something long term after this year."
:spreewellsyachtbeingrepossessed

http://www.theplayerstribune.com/josh-smith-clippers/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 01, 2015, 02:43:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNSJ-ejPt0k&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 10, 2015, 12:27:02 AM
https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/630336941981106176/photo/1
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from NBA rookie trading card shoot yesterday

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CL9oG-NWEAAsFAu.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 10, 2015, 04:46:27 PM
Quote
THOMPSON'S AGENT WARNS CAVS
If restricted free agent forward Tristan Thompson is forced into accepting a one-year contract, this upcoming season will be "his last year with the Cavs," his agent Rich Paul warned. The Cavs and Thompson broke off talks in mid-July with Thompson looking for a deal at or near the max contract, roughly $94M over five years. The Cavs offer is currently for significantly less, sources said.

Looks like Cavs having second thoughts about inking Thompson for a long term deal at that amount of money. Can't say I blame them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 14, 2015, 03:17:35 AM
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17  Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk  COLLEGE: Kansas  HT: 6-6   WT: 195  POS: SG
Mykhailiuk was the youngest player in college basketball last season -- so young that he was ineligible for the 2015 NBA draft. After getting minutes early in the season, Mykhailiuk became stuck at the end of Kansas' bench. He's got a very high basketball IQ, can shoot it with range and can even play a little point. He should come back stronger and more prepared to handle the rigors of college basketball this season. I expect he could have a breakout sophomore season.
Can we bring back David Stern just to announce this guy when he's drafted?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 14, 2015, 03:19:56 AM
Also, Chad Ford's description of Ben Simmons sounds like something I've made in MyPlayer:
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Simmons is the prize of the class. While not every scout I spoke to agrees, the overwhelming majority believe he's the one player who could end up becoming a star. In fact, several GMs told me they would've selected Simmons No. 1 in 2015 had he been eligible. Playmaking bigs are in vogue right now, and Simmons, at 6-foot-10, 240 pounds, plays like a point guard. His unique style of play isn't for everyone, but the comparisons of him being a poor man's LeBron James or Magic Johnson aren't far off.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 19, 2015, 12:19:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYLSWceZhWk
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 21, 2015, 11:38:29 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13478145/jr-smith-announces-returning-cleveland-cavaliers

So that only leaves Tristan who it increasingly looks like they will sign to the qualifying and risk him bolting next year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on August 21, 2015, 12:05:14 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on August 21, 2015, 11:38:29 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13478145/jr-smith-announces-returning-cleveland-cavaliers

So that only leaves Tristan who it increasingly looks like they will sign to the qualifying and risk him bolting next year.

Guess the master pipefitter coming back to the Land for another 2 years.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 22, 2015, 11:38:01 AM
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNBfPiuUcAAwjQk.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 22, 2015, 05:49:49 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2552322-as-nba-schedule-maker-departs-he-takes-with-him-an-era-league-wont-see-again
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 24, 2015, 12:15:45 PM
Quote
Bill SimmonsVerified account
‏@BillSimmons
FYI: my podcast returns on October 1st. New name, new sponsors.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 25, 2015, 12:55:44 AM
I support this move, as anything that makes the Lakers more of a freakshow can only be a good thing.

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--lakers-considering-signing-metta-world-peace-000124217.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Cheddahz on August 25, 2015, 01:05:20 AM
The Hornets were able to re-sign MKG and that makes me happy
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 25, 2015, 02:12:14 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNRa_ipXAAIPLaZ.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on August 25, 2015, 02:39:49 PM
250,000?

Oh no what will they ever do. (Ticket prices raised confirmed)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 25, 2015, 04:17:48 PM
Ballmer has probably spent more than that for a single meal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on August 25, 2015, 05:00:33 PM
he probably spent that much on coke this month
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 27, 2015, 12:04:22 AM
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/13520352/kobe-bryant-shaquille-oneal-address-feud-upcoming-podcast
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 27, 2015, 12:06:40 AM
Under what process did the league conclude it had "no impact" on DeAndre's decision? :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: eleuin on August 27, 2015, 01:01:58 AM
https://www.tmz.com/2015/08/26/derrick-rose-sued-for-gang-rape/

 :holeup
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 28, 2015, 11:42:38 AM
RIP Chocolate Thunder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V7z1UY1WbE
Title: Re: The NBA thread (RIP Chocolate Thunder)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 28, 2015, 04:44:09 PM
Damn, my personal favorite dunker besides Carter :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (RIP Chocolate Thunder)
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 28, 2015, 06:58:02 PM
WALRUS ARE YOU OK

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/jim-buss-on-kobe-bryant-playing-past-2016---it-s-his-decision-220932600.html

POST IF YOU'RE OK
Title: Re: The NBA thread (RIP Chocolate Thunder)
Post by: benjipwns on August 29, 2015, 03:15:00 PM
I thought Dawkins would have been way older than 58 if you had asked me. Forgot he came out of high school.

Thing a lot of people forget is that he actually was a pretty good player for a period, not just a dunker. Was on those 76ers teams that kept going to the Finals and stuff.

Fouled like crazy iirc.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (RIP Chocolate Thunder)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 29, 2015, 04:45:22 PM
Yeah he and Dr J were part of making the 76ers cool as a kid for me.

He was before his time. A player like that would have been a media superstar with the way coverage is handled today.

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the lasting memory I have is the story Bob Ryan tells of the deciding game of the 1982 Eastern Conference finals, when, as the game wound down with the Celtics plainly losing to the Philadelphia 76ers, the crowd in the Boston Garden began chanting “Beat L.A.!” (They would face the Lakers in the Finals.) Ryan asked Dawkins what he thought when he heard that.

“Man,” Dawkins replied. “When I heard that, my dick got stiff.”

That’s the way it worked on Lovetron. It was a great and surpassingly happy civilization, now past. Darryl Dawkins is dead, but the man brought the funk to a disbelieving world. He truly did.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/darryl-dawkins-1957-2015/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 13, 2015, 01:17:12 PM
rip Moses Malone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4CSuEPl18w
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on September 13, 2015, 02:58:37 PM
 :crazy :crazy :crazy :tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (RIP Moses Malone)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 14, 2015, 04:42:16 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13650802/nba-how-moses-malone-mentored-young-charles-barkley

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"I was really struggling in the beginning," Barkley admitted.

He turned to the one veteran who offered the most encouragement -- the imposing Moses Malone -- and asked him for some feedback.

"I pulled Moses aside and asked him, 'Why am I not playing more?'" Barkley recalled on Sunday.

Malone turned, looked him up and down and declared, "You're fat and you're lazy, that's why. You can't play basketball if you're not in shape."

Moses instructed the rookie to lose 10 pounds, then told him to meet him at the gym an hour ahead of practice the following morning. For the next month, he trained Barkley before and after the team workouts. Barkley shed 15 pounds in a week's time and started to notice a difference in his stamina.

"So now I'm playing a little bit," Barkley said, "and Moses says to me, 'Lose 10 more.' I get down to 275 and I'm close to breaking into the starting lineup and the big man tells me, 'Ten more. Give me 10 more.' By the time he was done with me, I was down to 255 pounds.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (RIP Moses Malone)
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 17, 2015, 08:36:31 PM
I AM SO SORRY, WALRUS

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/report--kobe-bryant--medically-cleared-for-all-basketball-activities-182243340.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on September 22, 2015, 08:25:27 AM
The Wolves are going to buy Anthony Bennett out of the final year of his rookie contract.

 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 22, 2015, 08:27:35 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 22, 2015, 08:25:27 AM
The Wolves are going to buy Anthony Bennett out of the final year of his rookie contract.

 :dead

Dear Wolves,

LOLS,

The Cavs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on September 22, 2015, 02:59:32 PM
Eh, he was kind of regarded as a throw-in at the time.

That 2013 Draft should go down as one of the worst of all-time.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 22, 2015, 11:54:11 PM
Quote
Bill SimmonsVerified account
‏@BillSimmons
Excited to bring my podcast back next week. Really missed doing them. Posting 2 pods each day on 10/1 and 10/2. Details to come soon.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on September 23, 2015, 12:07:53 AM
Noel and Gobert are both really good at what they do. I'm not giving up  on Oladipo just yet

but yeah that's about it
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 24, 2015, 09:35:40 PM
no one talking about Multiples Sourcez striking again?
(http://i.imgur.com/3CXKpcj.png)
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 25, 2015, 12:26:38 AM
It's hard to know what's really going on with this Tristan Thompson situation. I can't tell if its just bluffing or what on either side. My gut and brain tells me the Cavs don't want to sign him though and kind of hope he just decides to leave based on the offer.

Also Pacers say they are going to play Paul George at PF.

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Paul George now on @JMV1070 about his new PF role: "I'm not thrilled on it."
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 27, 2015, 02:30:25 AM
http://deadspin.com/im-a-grown-up-now-the-teen-who-accused-kevin-johnson-1732538782

read a couple paragraphs and stopped. not going to kill my vibe today. tomorrow though... :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on September 29, 2015, 07:22:56 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ban83u351-w
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 01, 2015, 02:01:14 AM
My mom wanted me to go through some boxes down in their basement, most of them were VHS tapes and I was like just dump 'em all wtf am I going to do with VHS tapes. Then I saw one labeled "2000 NBA Draft" and I was like nope, had to watch it.

This Chris Mihm guy sounds like the next Bill Walton.

Thinking I might have to rip it (already transferred it to DVD) and edit it to put up on YouTube since it's one of the drafts missing.

Also, shortly after Darius Miles gets picked by the Clippers they go to Charles Barkley (just retired) by satellite and ask him about the Draft and he goes on this rant about how the Clippers are the worst organization in sports and run like a criminal organization and shit as Ernie sits there stone-faced.

Other highlights: Joel Przybilla's boo party. Mateen Cleaves and his entire family/entourage going insane when the Pistons pick him. Ernie calling footage of Dalibor Bagaric "7-11 security camera quality" before Bill Simmons stole the joke. The panel every few minutes after pick 15 or so talking about Chris Carrawell being a star oddly not being drafted. (He goes 41st and never plays in the NBA. Two spots above Michael Redd.) Mark Cuban only being referred to as "eccentric new owner Mark Cuban." Kenny Smith having to tell Hubie they're back on the air.

15 year old commercials.  :aah

Like this one, multiple times:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUhp8ENCKKQ
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on October 01, 2015, 01:07:39 PM
Congrats, you're a libertarian who watches old NBA draft tapes in his mother's basement.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 01, 2015, 07:18:09 PM
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- Golden State Warriors coach Steve Kerr will take a leave of absence as he recovers from back surgery and will be replaced on an interim basis by Luke Walton.

The defending NBA champion Warriors announced Thursday that Kerr will need time off for rehabilitation and recovery.

"After the first two days of training camp, I realized I need to take a step back and focus on my rehabilitation in order to be ready for the grind of another NBA season," Kerr said in a statement. "As I noted last week, my summer was difficult and no fun due to the multiple back surgeries. At this point, I simply want to get healthy and back to my normal daily routine on and off the court."

Kerr ruptured a disk in his back during Game 5 of the NBA Finals. He has had two surgeries to repair the injury, one on July 28 and another on Sept. 4.

The Warriors said they don't know how long Kerr will be out.

"At this point, the most important thing is to make sure Steve is healthy, completely recovered and ready for not only the rigors of a long NBA season, but day-to-day life in general," general manager Bob Myers said. "We don't anticipate the recovery process will be long term, but as of today we don't know the exact time frame. We'll evaluate his progress daily and provide updates as necessary."

Myers would not put a time frame on Kerr's return, but a source told ESPN's Ramona Shelburne the hope is Kerr is ready to coach when the Warriors' regular season opens Oct. 27.

 :holeup
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 02, 2015, 07:47:03 AM
Thompson is officially holding out now. When will this fuckery ever end?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 02, 2015, 01:00:49 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on October 01, 2015, 01:07:39 PM
Congrats, you're a libertarian who watches old NBA draft tapes in his mother's basement.
FROM, NOT IN

I expect a formal apology.

You have 23 hours remaining.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 02, 2015, 05:51:07 PM
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Tristan Thompson wants the Cavaliers to succeed, but rooting for some short-term pain may be the only play that Thompson and his agents have left after they refused to sign Cleveland’s one-year, $6.8 million qualifying offer by 11:59 p.m. yesterday. That offer, now expired, gave Thompson leverage. He could have signed it, played the season, and bolted Cleveland as an unrestricted free agent in July. His agent, Rich Paul, explicitly threatened the Cavs with this weeks ago to get them to bump their five-year, $80 million offer up to the maximum five-year, $94 million deal for which Thompson is eligible. In Paul’s scenario, if the Cavs were to balk, Thompson would sign the qualifying offer, ditch the Cavs, and snag a max deal from someone else amid the flood of cap money coming in July.

Thompson and Paul did not go through with their threat. That may be a signal that they understand they overplayed their hand — that there may not be a max-level deal awaiting Thompson. If he re-signs with Cleveland, Thompson will come off the bench behind Timofey Mozgov and Kevin Love — assuming both are healthy. He’d average something like eight points and eight rebounds per game, play energetic defense, and draw some Sixth Man of the Year votes. That probably isn’t getting him a max deal, even amid the upcoming and unprecedented cap-room boom. Power forward is loaded around the league. It’s hard to name even 10 teams on which Thompson would be an obvious starter, and none of them would have LeBron James and Kyrie Irving to draw defenses away from him. Such is life when you have the offensive skill set of a center, but not the size and ability to protect the rim.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/tristan-thompson-continues-his-poker-game-with-cleveland/?ex_cid=story-twitter
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 05, 2015, 03:57:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouu0cLSwXmI

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"You don't want to make an enemy out of me," Smith said, referencing Durant. "And I'm looking right into the camera and [I'll] say it again. You do not want to make an enemy out of me. I'm not having it, I've done nothing wrong and I'm not going to tolerate it."

 :badass
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 05, 2015, 04:11:41 PM
what a fucking loon

in other news, MKG most likely out for the season  :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 05, 2015, 04:22:12 PM
It's not that KD isn't a prickly personality or something. It's just that someone like Stephen A Smith who constantly talks shit about stuff and is often wrong is not the one to be some voice of being offended.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 05, 2015, 05:40:33 PM
Stephen A and Skip are basically the Bill O'Reillys of sports commentary.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 06, 2015, 08:32:21 AM
Durant versus SAS? Everybody loses
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 06, 2015, 02:29:47 PM
Decent read on the whole Ferry/Owner debacle in Atlanta.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13457071/nba-how-atlanta-hawks-regime-fell-apart
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 06, 2015, 10:10:52 PM
Greg Howard ethers Jason Whitlock again on Deadspin
http://deadspin.com/how-espns-fear-of-the-truth-defeated-black-grantland-1730894729?utm_expid=66866090-56.xSggy8zmSwG3vMsivr7rOg.0

Whitlock goes insane
https://twitter.com/WhitlockJason
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@WhitlockJason 4h4 hours ago

Greg Howard = see how black I am, I let Craggs and Marchman quote Ta-Nehisi Coates in my stories. #TheExplanation2 Do Not Miss It.
:neogaf


edit: from the article
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It’s easy to say now that Whitlock was destined to fail at The Undefeated, but that’s a harsh reading of events. Whitlock is an unsophisticated thinker on race who wrote his belief in black pathology into the The Undefeated’s DNA, and whose ideas about respectability politics bled into each piece he edited before he was tossed aside. His ideology was formed over 20 years of writing opinions on race that were largely inaccurate, but, more importantly, firmly aligned with the opinions of many whites. Though he’d alienated many blacks along the way, including talented ESPN colleagues, his readings of American history were agreeable to an enormous portion of ESPN’s audience. He was decidedly safe and unchallenging. Through this lens, Whitlock was, in theory at least, the perfect choice to run the site.
:whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on October 06, 2015, 10:20:00 PM
I remember Whitlock was guest-hosting PTI when the Ray Rice story was breaking, and initially explained that he didn't think it was as big a deal as the Mike Vick thing because it was a personal issue between Rice and his wife, not like dogfighting, which was a "national issue."

Also, check http://blackgrant.land
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 06, 2015, 10:46:09 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 06, 2015, 10:10:52 PM
Greg Howard ethers Jason Whitlock again on Deadspin
http://deadspin.com/how-espns-fear-of-the-truth-defeated-black-grantland-1730894729?utm_expid=66866090-56.xSggy8zmSwG3vMsivr7rOg.0

Whitlock goes insane
https://twitter.com/WhitlockJason
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@WhitlockJason 4h4 hours ago

Greg Howard = see how black I am, I let Craggs and Marchman quote Ta-Nehisi Coates in my stories. #TheExplanation2 Do Not Miss It.
:neogaf


edit: from the article
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It’s easy to say now that Whitlock was destined to fail at The Undefeated, but that’s a harsh reading of events. Whitlock is an unsophisticated thinker on race who wrote his belief in black pathology into the The Undefeated’s DNA, and whose ideas about respectability politics bled into each piece he edited before he was tossed aside. His ideology was formed over 20 years of writing opinions on race that were largely inaccurate, but, more importantly, firmly aligned with the opinions of many whites. Though he’d alienated many blacks along the way, including talented ESPN colleagues, his readings of American history were agreeable to an enormous portion of ESPN’s audience. He was decidedly safe and unchallenging. Through this lens, Whitlock was, in theory at least, the perfect choice to run the site.
:whew

(http://i.imgur.com/I4gAaiH.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 07, 2015, 12:50:59 AM
Quote from: Mandark on October 06, 2015, 10:20:00 PM


Also, check http://blackgrant.land

I haven't read this in years. I remember my mom being quite upset upon discovering this article, weeks after it was published; iirc one of her friends told her about it. She printed it out and gave it to me one day while I was over for lunch on a weekend. I read it, shaking my head at various lines, and when I completed it she asked me for my opinion. I don't remember what I said but she agreed with my sentiments - shit article, the sexism oozes through it, the Paris Hilton comparison was especially disgusting, etc.

Then my dad came home and my mom gave him the article. He read through, face still. Then he started shaking his head. He gave the article back to my mom, who asked him what he thought. He shook his head and said "doesn't BBW stand for big beautiful woman? It's not big booty woman, I don't know where he got that." He then gave a puzzled shrugged and walked into their bedroom.

The look of disgust on my mom's face :lawd :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 07, 2015, 05:26:58 PM
Did Whitlock remember to issue an apology once Serena passed Federer in Grand Slams?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 09, 2015, 10:48:12 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13843715/atlanta-hawks-thabo-sefolosha-found-not-guilty-nyc-arrest-case

 :mynicca
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 09, 2015, 01:50:25 PM
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Early in the second half of the Los Angeles Lakers' 105-97 preseason loss to the Toronto Raptors on Thursday, a fan shouted from the stands at longtime star guard Kobe Bryant: "You ain't no 93!"

The fan was referencing Bryant's No. 93 ranking in ESPN's #NBArank project, which counts down the NBA's top players for this upcoming season.

Bryant, a five-time NBA champion and the third all-time leading scorer in NBA history, laughed when asked whether he'd heard such comments from fans defending him.

"Yeah, I heard a couple of them," he said with a smile after scoring 16 points on 5-of-11 shooting in nearly 22 minutes. "I don't need to defend that [ranking]. Nobody does, really."

Pressed on what he thought of the ranking, Bryant said, "Please don't ask me about silly stuff like that."

After the release of last year's rankings, in which he was No. 40, Bryant voiced his displeasure.

"I've known for a long time [that] they're a bunch of idiots," Bryant said last October, referring to the ranking as "silly" and "laughable."

 :goty2


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Bryant's past three seasons all have been cut short by injury. And in the 41 games Bryant has played over the past two seasons, he has averaged 21.1 points per game while shooting less than 38 percent from the field.

That's the worst field goal percentage over any two-year stretch in the shot-clock era (since 1954-55) in which a player averaged at least 20 points per game, according to ESPN Stats & Info.

Of the 172 players who took at least 500 shots last season, only Utah Jazz guard Trey Burke shot worse from the field.

 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2015, 09:23:02 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQ2hdHRWsAABgzc.png)

blatantly and repeatedly lie while under oath brehs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 09, 2015, 10:32:10 PM
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James Andrew Miller –  ‏@JimMiller

4 highly regarded @Grantland33 staffers turned in resignations today to @ESPN and will be going to work for @BillSimmons
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 09, 2015, 11:34:11 PM
please god let one be lowe
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 13, 2015, 10:00:09 PM
http://www.tmz.com/2015/10/13/lamar-odom-unconscious-brothel-hospital/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on October 14, 2015, 12:35:01 AM
odom :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 14, 2015, 12:40:41 AM
FiveThirtyEight (including Neil Paine of B-R fame) has started posting their projections:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/tag/2015-16-nba-previews/

So far:

Celtics: 48-34
Hawks: 45-37
Pistons: 38-44
Nets: 25-57

Thunder: 56-26
Spurs: 56-26
Pelicans: 46-36
Mavericks: 41-41
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 14, 2015, 03:41:05 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQaH-hWUwAALXOo.jpg)
Quote
the Detroit Chrome uniforms were designed to "honor our coolest cars from the past and the cars of the future."

EDIT: Also, dat Stanley Johnson. :whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 14, 2015, 08:05:37 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on October 13, 2015, 10:04:55 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on October 09, 2015, 11:34:11 PM
please god let one be lowe

Barnwell too. Best NFL analyst out there right now. I read some of his articles and feel like AiA out there on Sunday, pointing out the 2 gap and shit.

Leave them gaps to the fat boys, keep your eye on them bucket zones breh. My boy charles still running it like a boss.

(http://cdn.cloudfiles.mosso.com/c1910342/media_center/images/static/media_box/MIN1.png)

:lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 14, 2015, 09:59:12 PM
Apparently Odom OD'd on OTC male performance enhancers and hookers.  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Kara on October 14, 2015, 10:21:11 PM
Normally I'd revel in years of sports hating finally paying off but this story is just sad. Pls get ur shit 2gether again LO so I can make fun of you for this with a clear conscience.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Kara on October 15, 2015, 01:03:42 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on October 15, 2015, 12:18:12 AM
I still remember when you and Cloudy and Ryutaro's Mama were the co-leaders of Lakers-Age. How things changed.

For a certainty back then, we loved so many, yet hated so much. We hurt others and were hurt ourselves... Yet even then we ran like the wind whilst our laughter echoed under cerulean skies.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 15, 2015, 05:05:18 AM
Here's part of the Insider Preview:
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The Lakers might think they've hit rock bottom over the last couple of seasons, but the dark reality is it will get worse before it gets better in Los Angeles.

Despite several key additions in the offseason, the Lakers still are significantly behind the rest of the pack in the Western Conference playoff picture. Worse yet, their 2016 first-round pick is owed to Philadelphia with only top-3 protection, meaning the Lakers are in the unenviable position of being bad enough to miss the playoffs (perhaps even bad enough to have a top-7 selection), but not bad enough to assure they'll keep their pick.

...

Using shot data from 2014-15 and projected starters, Grantland's Kirk Goldsberry ranks each team's offensive efficiency based on square footage.

Only five teams took fewer 3s than the Lakers last season (Thanks, Byron!). Rookie D'Angelo Russell projects to shoot a solid 36 percent from distance -- the Lakers' only starter above 33 percent -- that is, if he's allowed to engage in such illicit activity.

If Kobe loves one area on the court, it's the left elbow. Sure, it's inefficient. But he's 37 years old. Let the man live! And Kobe's good from there, shooting better than 44 percent since 2011.

All About The Space: 28th (329 square feet of above-average offense)

To identify players who stretch offenses the most, ESPN Stats & Information created the Kyle Korver Effect -- a metric on a 1-100 scale, factoring in 3PT%, 3-point attempt rate (percentage of total shots that come from 3-point range) and influence on teammate FG%.

Korver Effect: Believe it or not, power forward Ryan Kelly (79.1) is the Los Angeles Lakers' best floor-spacer. SCHOENE predicts the team will shoot 34.1 percent from 3 this year, just slightly below average, but rank 21st in 3-point attempts.

...

This could be a tough to pill to swallow for Laker fans: on one hand, this team is definitely an upgrade over last year's roster. The addition of Hibbert should theoretically make an impact on the defensive end for a team that was second worst in the NBA last season, allowing 108 points per 100 possession. But this is still a very young team that doesn't feature much consistent shooting, and as such RPM isn't as optimistic, projecting that the Lakers will be the worst team in the conference and the second-worst team in the league with 27 wins.

Unfortunately, bad coaching and Kobe still stand in the way of the Lakers moving in the right direction. Further, the roster incongruence of having some players who would prefer a slowed down, halfcourt game paired with others who like an uptempo one makes it tough to imagine a world in which the Lakers leave anyone feeling warm and fuzzy about their play.

Projected Record: 25-57

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Projected Real Plus-Minus for starters
D'Angelo Russell, PG: N/A
Jordan Clarkson, SG: -2.5
Kobe Bryant, SF: -0.7
Julius Randle, PF: -0.9
Roy Hibbert, C: +1.1

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Projected WARP:
Williams: 5.5
Clarkson: 5.2
Bryant: 3.8
Russell: 3.4
Hibbert: 1.5
Black: 1.2
Young: 1.0
Randle: 0.7
Kelly: 0.2
J. Brown: -0.3
Sacre: -0.4
Bass: -0.5
A. Brown: -1.0
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 15, 2015, 08:05:09 AM
Apparently Cloudy lives like 10min away from me. Unless he moved in the last few years.
 :holeup
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Kara on October 15, 2015, 08:44:12 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 15, 2015, 08:05:09 AM
Apparently Cloudy lives like 10min away from me. Unless he moved in the last few years.
 :holeup

I sometimes wonder if Michigan's socioeconomic problems are yet another case of the Konex curse.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 15, 2015, 09:01:13 AM
Quote from: Kara on October 15, 2015, 08:44:12 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 15, 2015, 08:05:09 AM
Apparently Cloudy lives like 10min away from me. Unless he moved in the last few years.
 :holeup

I sometimes wonder if Michigan's socioeconomic problems are yet another case of the Konex curse.
not even the konex curse could stop the nerd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_y0LojzywU
:preach
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 16, 2015, 06:42:00 PM
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/tristan-thompson-isnt-worth-anywhere-near-94-million/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 18, 2015, 01:47:40 AM
Lowe will be staying at Grantland looks like:
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left Grantland are Sean Fennessey, Juliet Litman, Mallory Rubin and Chris Ryan.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 21, 2015, 01:38:07 AM
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:13936970
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 21, 2015, 08:03:23 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on October 18, 2015, 03:23:05 AM
Thompson was probably the most valuable Cavs player in the Finals tbh.

Yeah except for Lebron going all Oscar Robertson junior, sure.

On a side note the Cavs are doing some shit I don't approve of.

Kyrie hurt? Sure I'll buy that
Love? He's fine, dudes come back to NFL in season with the same injury
Lebron? Back injection my ass

They are going to straight tank the first 2 months of the season to stay healthy for the playoffs. I get the logistics behind the decision but the fans are gonna get fucked into watching the ghost of Mo Williams and the also rans which sucks for people paying what is now about 120.00 a ticket if you don't want to sit with Jesus.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 21, 2015, 11:18:12 AM
I'm fine with what the Cavs are doing personally. In fact I think they should embrace the hard minutes philosophy of the Spurs. The reality is that in the East they just need to stay remotely healthy and they can get to the finals. Yeah it sort of makes the long regular season even more meaningless than it currently is but that's the future of the sport. Stephen Curry averaged 32.7 minutes last season. Yeah they can do that because they are deep as fuck but its also the right approach. Limit the wear on the stars. Try to get other players involved and to step up so its not a completely foreign thing if they need to do it later in the season.

I would rather Lebron give a great effort 30 minutes a night rather than a less concentrated effort over more minutes. I also hope they legit are serious about using Love more creatively in the offense this season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 21, 2015, 07:47:25 PM
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#Cavs, Tristan Thompson agree to 5-year, $82 million deal, league sources tell @clevelanddotcom.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on October 21, 2015, 11:40:42 PM
So I just learned that ESPN delayed a 30 for 30 on the Kings because Kevin Johnson is a sexual predator: http://deadspin.com/im-a-grown-up-now-the-teen-who-accused-kevin-johnson-1732538782
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 22, 2015, 06:50:00 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 21, 2015, 07:47:25 PM
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#Cavs, Tristan Thompson agree to 5-year, $82 million deal, league sources tell @clevelanddotcom.

I'm okay with it, hell it ain't my money, but we overpaid him majorly here.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 22, 2015, 09:26:24 AM
I don't think Tristan Thompson is the 6th best power forward in basketball which is today what he is being payed as. In that sense its kind of laughable. But the cap is going up so much that in 2 or 3 years, the landscape will look different.

Either way Cavs have an insane payroll this year.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 22, 2015, 10:00:39 AM
I always take these kind of stories with a grain of salt but whatever.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-jimmer-fredette-has-been-such-a-big-bust-in-the-nba-023311779.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2015, 11:59:00 AM
Because he's another college "shooter" who can't create his own shot. The end. Only difference between him and Adam Morrison is size.

Still amazed JJ Redick wasn't a bust too. Gotta give him dap.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 22, 2015, 12:39:33 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2015, 11:59:00 AM
Because he's another college "shooter" who can't create his own shot. The end. Only difference between him and Adam Morrison is size.

Still amazed JJ Redick wasn't a bust too. Gotta give him dap.

Reddick moves well without the ball and also attempts to play defense. Which is more than we can say about Jimmer.

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Fredette was also unwilling – or unable – to assume playmaking responsibilities for a team that desperately needed help at point guard after Jrue Holiday sustained a serious leg injury.

Put a bullet it him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2015, 02:22:40 PM
BYU is a perfect school for that phenomena. Even this year with Tanner Mangum before he came back to earth/reality.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Starts Oct 27)
Post by: benjipwns on October 22, 2015, 11:59:04 PM
538 posted this in their Clippers preview/Blake Griffin comment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piLcH9opOvQ

dem 1980s Bucks  :aah
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Starts Oct 27)
Post by: benjipwns on October 23, 2015, 12:01:58 AM
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Coach Jason Kidd said the 20-year-old Antetokounmpo is in line to play all five positions for the Bucks this season.

"He's 20 years old, and he's going to play every position for us," Kidd said. "He's never complaining. He just goes out there and plays."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Starts Oct 27)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 25, 2015, 02:15:50 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13968302/minnesota-timberwolves-coach-flip-saunders-dies-cancer-age-60

Rip
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Starts Oct 27)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 26, 2015, 03:24:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayBUuhnUrrU
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Starts Oct 27)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 26, 2015, 03:56:23 PM
sad to hear about Flip
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Starts Oct 27)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 26, 2015, 06:38:18 PM
No really good preview vids this year so we'll have to settle for mixtapes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcR_6RkgvWY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPwIOEe67GY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J-awR3c__s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T01YdO2pOhQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-R1Ah_N5G6c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCSYaEFqWvw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_rNMZHq4TA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCRf22A2MKc
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Starts Oct 27)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 27, 2015, 08:05:33 AM
Fucking Bill Simmons. lol. Downloaded his podcast today to get his annual nba over and under podcast he does with Joe House and he now uses Picture me rollin as his intro song for the podcast. I can't hate on that.

 :lol

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Since he began his new podcast at the beginning of this month, Bill Simmons has found no shortage of fans. In fact, anyone who thought the new edition of his podcast would not be successful without ESPN’s promotion is deadly wrong. Digiday reports that the Bill Simmons podcast was downloaded almost four million times through mid-month making it the most popular sports podcast on iTunes and 14th-most popular.

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Simmons regularly promotes his podcast on his Twitter account which has over 4.7 million followers and you can be sure that he’ll promote it on HBO as well. Unlike his ESPN podcast, Simmons is making money off this edition and advertisers are flocking to it as well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Starts Tonight!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2015, 10:20:16 AM
tbh I'm actually excited about the NBA this year, moreso than NCAA basketball in fact. I'm gonna watch tonight's Cavs v Bulls game. Usually I don't give a fuck until the playoffs.

Pistons will probably suck but I'm curious to see if Drummond balls out in a contract year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Starts Tonight!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 27, 2015, 01:37:51 PM
Can't wait for tonight :hyper
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Starts Tonight!)
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 27, 2015, 01:52:33 PM
My coworker have a funny quip. He said tonight is a must-watch game for Cavs fans because it might be the only time they are all healthy and playing together.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Starts Tonight!)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2015, 01:55:28 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on October 27, 2015, 01:52:33 PM
My coworker have a funny quip. He said tonight is a must-watch game for Cavs fans because it might be the only time they are all healthy and playing together.

He's wrong. He should try harder.

Kyrie is out, Shumpert is out, Mozgov might not play, Thompson isn't in game shape, etc. 

Be from Cleveland and make that mistake? :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Starts Tonight!)
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 27, 2015, 05:01:41 PM
Walrus plz

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/report--more-money-bet-on-lakers-than-cavs-to-win-nba-championship-191312561.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Starts Tonight!)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 27, 2015, 05:11:02 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2015, 10:20:16 AM
Pistons will probably suck but I'm curious to see if Drummond balls out in a contract year.
i'm telling you  breh, Stanley is legit
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Starts Tonight!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2015, 05:13:40 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on October 27, 2015, 05:11:02 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2015, 10:20:16 AM
Pistons will probably suck but I'm curious to see if Drummond balls out in a contract year.
i'm telling you  breh, Stanley is legit

we'll see. Lots of buzz for him obviously, after an impressive summer league outing plus he's apparently lighting it up in practice too. Didn't really blow me away at Arizona.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Starts Tonight!)
Post by: bluemax on October 29, 2015, 12:12:41 AM
"The Kings have been better with Collison on the floor than with Rondo." - Mike Smith

Also no one would've predicted that! Nope!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Starts Tonight!)
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2015, 12:56:43 AM
8/10 from the line, Andre is god confirmed
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Starts Tonight!)
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2015, 12:58:02 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqejn3wMsKE
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Starts Tonight!)
Post by: Your Stalker on October 29, 2015, 01:17:23 AM
dayum shame
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Starts Tonight!)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 29, 2015, 07:49:26 AM
Cav's are gonna be just fine

:hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Starts Tonight!)
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 29, 2015, 08:23:37 AM
Andy Varejao still feels like the odd man out. Everything he can do can be done better by someone else.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Starts Tonight!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 29, 2015, 08:36:51 AM
I definitely like the squad more than last year. Jared Cunningham was pretty good during the pre-season. Jefferson seems to be doing well.

Hopefully no more relying on awful players like James Jones.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Starts Tonight!)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2015, 08:44:47 AM
Pistons looking good. KCP seems like he could have a breakout year. Drummond should have a great year since he's playing for a contract. Dunno about Reggiec Jackson. Sometimes the offense just dies when he's running it. Whereas it looked pretty smooth last night when Steve Blake was in at PG.

This could be a playoff team once Jennings comes back
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 29, 2015, 01:12:06 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ft2wKEiYjk

Had added some range. Impressive.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 29, 2015, 01:13:59 PM
I hope so.  Pistons looked impressive with Jennings last year, and I like me some Stan.  It'll be fun to see Detroit with a winning sports team again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2015, 01:23:07 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/dru5pJ4.gif)
all aboard
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 29, 2015, 09:14:44 PM
http://www.gq.com/story/thabo-sefolosha-nypd-assault
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on October 30, 2015, 10:13:14 PM
Man, this Magic/OKC double OT game. Basketball is the best sport.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 30, 2015, 10:24:37 PM
I love that basketball is back. I have something to do with my evenings.

 :-[
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2015, 11:00:06 PM
Pistons undefeated.

Andre averaging 19/16. Hitting 60% of his FTs.

KCP not disappearing for three game stretches, only every other game.

Morris and Ilyasova fitting perfectly.

 :rejoice  :gladbron :leon :obama

Allowing Steve Blake to take shots.

Not playing more Stanley Johnson, instead playing Reggie Bullock.
 :ufup :kobeyuck :trash :snoop
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 30, 2015, 11:09:03 PM
http://youtu.be/rosWegMewTk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTmFtIzshm0
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2015, 11:18:02 PM
He drilled it! PURE. MAGIC.

Going to have to start using that as a catch phrase.

I think almost as many people cheered for Bestbrook's shot as Oladipo's.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 30, 2015, 11:24:19 PM
Lakers let the Kings score 74 points on them in a half on 57% shooting.

This is going to be another delicious trainwreck of a season for them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2015, 01:29:49 AM
Andre Drummond
:preach

Stan Van Gullly
:preach

no more Joe Dumars
:preach
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 01, 2015, 02:16:18 AM
http://youtu.be/ehXY-PLug0M
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 02, 2015, 07:06:07 AM
Quote
Lakers star Kobe Bryant harshly criticized his play through three games Sunday, saying, "I'm the 200th best player in the league right now. I freaking suck." Bryant spoke after scoring 15 points on 3-15 shooting in a loss to the Mavericks, his third straight game in which he has shot a poor percentage from the floor. "I just can’t make a shot," the 37-year-old said. "Just playing like s--t right now, that’s all...I suck right now."

btw highest paid player in the league.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 02, 2015, 12:07:10 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on November 02, 2015, 12:05:42 PM
Making enough to buy your mom's pussy 25 million times.

:cac

You all overpay goddamn
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 02, 2015, 12:53:31 PM
holy shit those magic/thunder shots
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Kara on November 02, 2015, 01:13:10 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 02, 2015, 12:07:10 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on November 02, 2015, 12:05:42 PM
Making enough to buy your mom's pussy 25 million times.

:cac

You all overpay goddamn

GFE is so demonic.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 02, 2015, 02:09:47 PM
Steve Blake is an abortion
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 02, 2015, 05:13:10 PM
There goes Kobe, overrating his play per the usual. Typical.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 02, 2015, 07:58:56 PM
Okafor looking nice against the Cavs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on November 02, 2015, 08:53:53 PM
PORBEASTIS

https://vine.co/v/e32FWiHU0KP
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 02, 2015, 09:40:49 PM
Randle and Okafor would have been a very nice front court.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on November 02, 2015, 11:05:14 PM
My Knicks are hustling again. :rejoice

Spurs got the win, but they're always one of the best and they had to work for it. All of our offseason additions are looking like good choices so far, except for Vujacic.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 02, 2015, 11:39:53 PM
Winslow looks tits too, btw
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 03, 2015, 06:53:17 AM
Lebron is beasting. Gonna be a long season for the East.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2015, 11:04:57 AM
Mo Williams looking productive too. Good insurance for Irving's inevitable next injury.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 03, 2015, 11:26:28 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2015, 11:04:57 AM
Mo Williams looking productive too. Good insurance for Irving's inevitable next injury.

Absolutely I was happy when we signed him. He can still play and now that he's bit older he's gotten away from the covered 19 foot hero jumpers he use to shoot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on November 03, 2015, 02:46:30 PM
I wish the Clippers had traded Jamal Crawford.

I mean they're 4-0 but I think Crawford is gonna be an issue at some point.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 03, 2015, 09:38:45 PM
It's only 5 games but...

Derrick Rose is averaging 12 points a game. Shooting 35%. And has a per of 7.80

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2015, 03:11:15 AM
Quote
Andre Drummond is first player with multiple. 20/20 games in season's first four games since Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CS8Du0gXIAAlHvg.jpg)

KCP sighting!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgiFrdfBbTw

Also, chocolate break!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCA0oJ0J46I
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2015, 06:16:07 AM
NBA experts what's up with New Orleans? They're trash and Davis is struggling. Gentry still ain't shit?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2015, 06:35:40 AM
They've been smashed with injuries (Poindexter, Asik, Evans...ten separate players have started a game!) and the offense is clueless so they're just jacking up contested shots.

Also, their defense is a mess. If they bring in defenders like Perkins to take the load off Davis, that's a gaping hole in the offense. But if they bring in more offense they're basically all sieves. Or they're sieves who are shooting terrible like Babbit and Cunningham.

They were at their best at the end of last year when Evans basically became their point guard and he's out for the rest of the month. They wanted to do that again but with Holiday as a secondary point guard but mainly letting him focus more on scoring than doing both duties. Ish Smith is running their offense at least half the game and he's got a career ORtg of 92.

Asik should be back soon but he doesn't help the offense much.

Davis is trying a bit hard to show his new range too, he gets in that later career Barkley/Bosh mode where he hits just enough of them to start drifting outside and jacking them up. So then he doesn't get to the line or kill guys inside, etc. And they don't have someone like Evans slashing to the basket to take advantage of the new space as they're mostly all jump shooters.

Toney Douglas has had two decent games which might help though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 04, 2015, 08:46:32 AM
Quote
Rondo was in the final year of a five-year, $55 million contract with the Boston Celtics when last season began. He was the last player remaining from Boston's 2008 NBA championship team and appeared receptive to a contract extension. But after Rondo turned down a five-year extension estimated to pay close to $70 million in hopes of landing a maximum contract later

 :ufup


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-the-kings-and-rajon-rondo-just-might-be-the-perfect-fit-for-each-other-042301108.html

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With the salary cap exploding maybe he will make that money up I guess eventually...
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In other news Warriors versus Clippers tonight. Both playing very well and undefeated. Should be a great game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2015, 08:51:25 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 04, 2015, 08:46:32 AM
Quote
Rondo was in the final year of a five-year, $55 million contract with the Boston Celtics when last season began. He was the last player remaining from Boston's 2008 NBA championship team and appeared receptive to a contract extension. But after Rondo turned down a five-year extension estimated to pay close to $70 million in hopes of landing a maximum contract later

 :ufup


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-the-kings-and-rajon-rondo-just-might-be-the-perfect-fit-for-each-other-042301108.html

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With the salary cap exploding maybe he will make that money up I guess eventually...
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Nah his injury history and his performance in the playoffs last year mean his large salary ship has sailed unless he becomes an absolute saint this season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on November 04, 2015, 05:08:56 PM
Just want to say Steph  :gladbron
Kobe :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2015, 05:16:38 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/bwR23rF.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/bwR23rF.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/bwR23rF.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/bwR23rF.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/bwR23rF.png)(http://i.imgur.com/bwR23rF.png)(http://i.imgur.com/bwR23rF.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2015, 05:34:24 PM
:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 04, 2015, 08:24:39 PM
Mo looking good. I always felt sorry for him in the sense that I think he was just put in the wrong situation. He was just asked to do too much in those early days with Cleveland. He shouldn't be your 2nd best player on the team. But when he just has to be a really good role player, he's more than qualified for that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 04, 2015, 08:51:48 PM
Lebron's outside shot has really declined since Miami for some reason.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 04, 2015, 09:13:12 PM
Terrible shooting in that half especially from the Cavs.

1-15 from beyond the arc.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 04, 2015, 09:26:03 PM
Tony Parker hit a big three to tie up the Spurs game with about 7 seconds but Beal just nailed the game winner with less than a second left. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2015, 09:29:36 PM
Porzingas :leon
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 04, 2015, 10:25:12 PM
Knicks offense turned to shit in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 04, 2015, 10:56:45 PM
Makings of a good game early on here as expected between Clips and Warriors. Great offense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Kara on November 05, 2015, 12:41:14 AM
Both their surnames do start with Da- and end in -o. :ohhh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 05, 2015, 12:59:51 AM
This game

 :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 05, 2015, 01:10:25 AM
Curry is just ridiculous.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on November 05, 2015, 01:22:20 AM
Curry just isn't fair. Warriors are gonna repeat.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 05, 2015, 01:25:43 AM
Yeah I mean this feeling happens with most champions for good reasons but the Warriors just kind of feel inevitable. It's like they are just built perfectly for the current era of basketball. The weaknesses they have over the long course of a game just don't matter. And when they clamp down and start playing defense with that small ball line-up in the 4th it does feel unfair. They can do everything.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 05, 2015, 08:46:09 AM
I got a kick out of watching Luke Walton on the sidelines doing his 'coaching moves". The pacing back and forth and pointing. The one hand on the hip, pulling back the suit jacket move. The double, open-handed "WTF?!" move.  It was like watching an actor practice for his big role.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2015, 01:05:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nRYAsr7ALg

Walrus post if you're okay

:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2015, 05:16:52 PM
Can't wait to see 37yo LeBron still being decent/facilitating offenses with great passing and a modest amount of points per game
:rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2015, 06:26:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSvtCkCvyUI

disrespectful, he should get at least a thirty game suspension and knee injury
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2015, 06:30:17 PM
Play basketball in soccer gear brehs...shit is an abomination....to the bushes
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 05, 2015, 06:47:22 PM
Most of the sleeve stuff I think looks awful but I thought the cavs jersey last night actually looked cool. Lebron has always hated the sleeved jerseys though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2015, 07:15:09 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on November 05, 2015, 06:26:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSvtCkCvyUI

disrespectful, he should get at least a thirty game suspension and knee injury
gotta love how Hubie doesn't give a fuck about the sleeves and ignores the issue twice.  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 05, 2015, 09:01:26 PM
Reggie being Reggie tonight.
 :yuck


Time to watch the game on mute.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 05, 2015, 10:34:55 PM
Rose hitting big shots here in the 4th.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 06, 2015, 05:42:32 PM
Quote
LAL HC Byron Scott on his young players: "I just got to continue to be patient. But as I told them, I’m not going to be patient for long."

 :beli

Your team sucks. And you aren't a very good coach either. Just deal with it dude.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2015, 08:00:42 PM
best turnover ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuMtuGDygAs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2015, 11:08:56 PM
Drummond already at 15 rebounds...

 :dead

Anthony Tolliver is terrible, GM SVG needs to dump him so Coach SVG stops playing him because he had a good month last year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Kara on November 06, 2015, 11:32:58 PM
This season should be about convincing AEG to buy out the Buss family clown car. :shaq2
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 07, 2015, 05:11:48 AM
Andre only finished with 17 rebounds, pack it up, send him to the d-league, another lost season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 07, 2015, 05:16:53 AM
Clint Capela  :leon
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 07, 2015, 04:37:42 PM
Lebron looks good as always. Probably not gonna win another MVP in his life though
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2015, 12:54:00 PM
Lakers are second in the league in three point attempts as a percentage of their shots.

Kobe, Lou Williams and Ryan Kelly (?) are taking 15.2 three pointers a game.

They're shooting a collective 19% on them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2015, 11:41:16 PM
Andre Drummond brehs...
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on November 09, 2015, 07:05:05 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2015, 11:41:16 PM
Andre Drummond brehs...

That big block he had in the fourth was really nice.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 09, 2015, 07:13:53 AM
Andre Drummond is averaging 20 points and 20 rebounds a game this season. Jesus christ.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 09, 2015, 09:49:45 AM
http://deadspin.com/kobe-bryant-on-knicks-offense-that-aint-no-fucking-tr-1741418797

Not so much for Kobe's shit talking with Spike Lee, but for this part

Quote
This is great. Irascible Kobe talking shit about Knicks’ imaginary offensive scheme is exactly what he should be doing at his age. Once he retires, Kobe should start a second career as the meanest color commentator in the league. “Here’s the thing most people don’t know about Anthony Davis, Kevin. He’s a pile of shit and a fucking soft-ass punk who was always afraid of me.”
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 09, 2015, 11:44:42 AM
I should check out a Pistons game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on November 09, 2015, 05:23:07 PM
I need to get League Pass soon.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 09, 2015, 05:49:14 PM
Speaking of pistons, they play the warriors tonight. I guess I'll catch that one. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: eleuin on November 10, 2015, 01:16:37 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13TT-gtD8Po
 :sabu

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:dayum
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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on November 10, 2015, 09:39:33 AM
Smh, be patient. Your rookie PG will be fine.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2015, 09:56:15 AM
Quote from: Beezy on November 10, 2015, 09:39:33 AM
Smh, be patient. Your rookie PG will be fine.
Probably not...

Pistons held their own overall against the Warriors. Still lost but definitely showed they're real.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 10, 2015, 11:25:36 AM
Stanley finally had a good game, that's encouraging. Detroit probably my number 1 league pass team right now. Deangelo looks horrible
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Kara on November 10, 2015, 03:04:06 PM
It's the highest pick the Lakers have had since Big Game James. A lot of Laker fans can't remember something like this. You don't draft a point guard at #2 unless it's Magic Johnson or Jim fucking Buss is running your roster.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 10, 2015, 05:09:43 PM
Quote from: Kara on November 10, 2015, 03:04:06 PM
It's the highest pick the Lakers have had since Big Game James. A lot of Laker fans can't remember something like this. You don't draft a point guard at #2 unless it's Magic Johnson or Jim fucking Buss is running your roster.

John Wall and Chris Paul not withstanding, of course.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on November 10, 2015, 05:51:52 PM
Throw Kyrie Irving in there.  Don't think the Cavs are kicking themselves for having missed out on Derick Williams or Enes Kanter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Kara on November 10, 2015, 06:17:50 PM
I won't quibble about individual players, but I did think I'd covered my ass when I listed a great point guard or having an idiot who happened to be a family member of the owner as your personnel guy. :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on November 10, 2015, 06:23:37 PM
I know a guy who's a diehard Lakers and Duke basketball fan*.  The Lakers taking Russell was great, cause now I can taunt him whether Okafor is a bust (another failed Dukie!) or a star (you could have had him if the Busses didn't fuck up again!).


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He also roots for Notre Dame football and the Yankees.  I swear I am not making this up.
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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2015, 06:44:36 PM
2011 lol. Man I thought Brandon Knight was gonna be good...
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 10, 2015, 07:04:33 PM
Brandon Knight isn't bad, if you don't look at the turnovers. out of those first 10 picks, he's probably T-3 with Kanter as of 2015

it's really just those first 10 that were horrible, you still have Kawhi, Klay, IT, Butler, Vooch, Faried, Parsons, Harris; all those dudes are good pieces



fucking Derrick Williams though...
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2015, 07:10:42 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 10, 2015, 06:23:37 PM
I know a guy who's a diehard Lakers and Duke basketball fan*.  The Lakers taking Russell was great, cause now I can taunt him whether Okafor is a bust (another failed Dukie!) or a star (you could have had him if the Busses didn't fuck up again!).


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He also roots for Notre Dame football and the Yankees.  I swear I am not making this up.
[close]

Sounds like the typical Duke fans. I bet he's a Patriots fan too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 10, 2015, 09:02:30 PM
Memphis dealt Udrih and Jarnell Stokes to Miami for Chalmers and James Ennis
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 10, 2015, 09:16:34 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on November 10, 2015, 09:02:30 PM
Memphis dealt Udrih and Jarnell Stokes to Miami for Chalmers and James Ennis

I find myself struggling to give a fuck about this trade
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 10, 2015, 10:13:46 PM
:yeshrug I like Stokes, I wish he'd get more playing time, probably won't though. Net bonus for Miami for dumping Chalmers off elsewhere, going all in on Tyler Johnson (who?) as their backup pg.

Durant left the game in the second quarter today with a left hamstring injury, Based God's curse confirmed in effect
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 11, 2015, 08:36:33 AM
Utah was kind of impressive last night. Played with a lot of tempo and shot from outside pretty well. Their big glaring hole is not having someone that can carry them in crunch time.

Vegas has them at 40.5 wins, but they seem slightly better than that.



Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 11, 2015, 08:42:12 AM
Yeah I saw the game and Utah did hang tough for all of it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2015, 10:59:10 AM
JVG: "Dallas fans will boo DJ tonight but cheer for Greg Hardy on Sunday"
:dead

The Van Gundys don't give a fuck :heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 12, 2015, 11:11:11 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2015, 10:59:10 AM
JVG: "Dallas fans will boo DJ tonight but cheer for Greg Hardy on Sunday"
:dead

The Van Gundys don't give a fuck :heh

He's absolutely right too.

:snoop
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 13, 2015, 10:52:56 AM
Steph Curry on the season

FG: 53%
3pt: 47
ast 5.6
rpg: 5.3
ppg: 33.3

PER:37.12


 :ohhh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 13, 2015, 12:32:25 PM
MVP.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T234 on November 13, 2015, 02:24:56 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on November 10, 2015, 07:04:33 PM
Brandon Knight isn't bad, if you don't look at the turnovers. out of those first 10 picks, he's probably T-3 with Kanter as of 2015

it's really just those first 10 that were horrible, you still have Kawhi, Klay, IT, Butler, Vooch, Faried, Parsons, Harris; all those dudes are good pieces



fucking Derrick Williams though...
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2015, 06:44:36 PM
2011 lol. Man I thought Brandon Knight was gonna be good...

Knight and Bledsoe ate the Clips for breakfast last night.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 13, 2015, 03:15:17 PM
Quote from: T234 on November 13, 2015, 02:24:56 PM
Knight and Bledsoe ate the Clips for breakfast last night.
he's been playing really well so far this season. 20/4/4 on 45/38/84 as the second option in that offense. Him, Bledsoe, Warren and Tucker make for a fun backcourt
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 13, 2015, 08:21:09 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/newyork/knicks/post/_/id/63484/j-r-its-crazy-that-phil-would-discuss-my-personal-life

 :sabu
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2015, 02:29:02 PM
https://streamable.com/i663

walrus are you ok
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 15, 2015, 09:34:05 PM
25 millions dollars

(He's 13 of 56 from 3pt)

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 15, 2015, 10:12:51 PM
I like how Dirk immediately looks at him and smiles.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 15, 2015, 11:47:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsYvsWHTp5A

I wish this really broke his ankles, SVG needs to stop playing this guy in the worst way.

/walrus

Also, I'm still not convinced he isn't really 6-6 or something.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 16, 2015, 01:22:59 AM
Clippers announcers are the worst
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 16, 2015, 01:37:29 AM
The Thunder announcers describing this play made me lol: http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:14141219
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 16, 2015, 06:31:47 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpdlstqS6Do
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 16, 2015, 02:01:52 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2015/11/lebron_james_cavaliers_2.html#incart_related_stories

I watched that Bucks game and it was very annoying. The offense still doesn't work properly. It's all Lebron-ball.  (not blaming him, it's the only thing that works) Love's scoring is up but his percentages are crap and its almost all long distance stuff. I don't understand why they can't just post him up and throw the ball in or run more pick and roll plays with him sometimes to diversify his offensive role. He basically disappeared in the 4th and OT.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 16, 2015, 03:06:52 PM
Don't look so much into it. Cave are on cruise control until the playoffs. Why reveal any changes in our offense until we need to do so?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 16, 2015, 04:23:50 PM
Why doesn't Love play in the paint more? He shoots so poorly game after game in part due to jacking up jumpers/3s.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 16, 2015, 04:26:59 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 16, 2015, 04:23:50 PM
Why doesn't Love play in the paint more? He shoots so poorly game after game in part due to jacking up jumpers/3s.

It's not that specific thing that bothers me. I mean he should be on the perimeter a lot to stretch defenses. My issue is on nights when its clearly not working or his shot isn't going from the outside, they very rarely mix things up. At that point why not post him up. Or do different things to get him going. But instead its like they keep doing the same thing and expecting different results. They are good enough where it doesn't matter most of the time, but when you watch some of the less talented teams play more "correctly" like in that Bucks game,  its definitely annoying.

He was actually doing well that night from the outside and he had a good game up until the 4th quarter. But then the Bucks started playing him a lot better and the Cavs didn't have an answer for it so he became a non-factor.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on November 16, 2015, 04:30:39 PM
They've got the third highest points per possession in the entire league, without Kyrie Irving having played a minute.  Not a team that needs to be hitting the panic button.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 16, 2015, 04:40:32 PM
One thing I'll say is that Lebron is off to a much better start than last year. He's way more engaged than he was at the beginning of last year. The free throw shooting and 3 point shooting is off but he's playing a lot more post than I've ever seen him play so early in the season. It's like those finals rubbed off on him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 16, 2015, 05:15:45 PM
I'm not worried about the Cavs.

When they get Kyrie and Shump back, they're gonna be scary.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 16, 2015, 09:59:59 PM
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CT-rhUYWEAEsCWt.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 16, 2015, 11:18:02 PM
Amusing little piece:
http://lamarmatic.com/2015/11/16/hendo-tries-to-ruin-hornets-short-play-in-return/
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Hornets used to run "Short" for Gerald Henderson alley-oops. After him being traded, Lamb has been the recipient of it. Last night Hendo returned to CHA for first time, saw the play within 4 secs and tried to disrupt it.
Quote
The guard then checked in the game with :06.9 left in the first quarter to a warm reception and ironically within 4 seconds of playing time faced the out-of-bounds play, which once was his specifically designed for him and was his meal ticket for a cool NBA highlight.

Hendo, just like McRoberts earlier in the pre-season, instantly knew what was bound to happen and the broadcast even caught him depicting the play for his younger team-mates:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g_gHOfh7UE
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 17, 2015, 11:41:34 PM
Whiteside triple double: 22pts 14rebs 10blks

Pistons beat Cavs despite 19 minutes of Anthony Tolliver. Slow night for Andre just 25 and 18.

Kristaps dream shake: http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:14157270
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 18, 2015, 10:51:34 AM
Rockets have dropped Mchale as scapegoat for the poor start.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14160559/houston-rockets-fire-coach-kevin-mchale

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 18, 2015, 10:56:04 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 18, 2015, 10:51:34 AM
Rockets have dropped Mchale as scapegoat for the poor start.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14160559/houston-rockets-fire-coach-kevin-mchale

Guys been a marginal head coach almost as long as he was a marginal team manager. :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 18, 2015, 11:42:00 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 16, 2015, 04:40:32 PM
The free throw shooting
I looked it up last night, 49/81, 60% on the year. After being a career 74% ft shooter. :mindfuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Brehvolution on November 18, 2015, 01:18:04 PM
Poor Melo isn't the best player on the Knicks anymore.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 18, 2015, 01:20:52 PM
Quote
McHale, in his fifth season with the team, was in the first year of a three-year extension worth more than $12 million that he signed last December.

On the other hand...
Quote
Earvin Magic Johnson ✔ @MagicJohnson
If it's true the Houston Rockets fired Coach McHale they made a big mistake.
So, good move I guess.

Morey's calling Thibs right now isn't he?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 18, 2015, 02:43:16 PM
Pistons looked great last night.  Cavs are hitting a little mini rut at the moment. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 18, 2015, 03:33:48 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-cavaliers/post/_/id/1450/lebron-james-tough-love-for-timofey-mozgov

Man if social media were available in the Jordan years they would have roasted him. Dudes are gonna get at people in practice. This ain't high school man, these are grown ass men paying grown ass bills. Don't think about a fight, expect it.

This goes double if you're a starter. 

For example Peyton Manning seems like a great guy but I promise you his prime he was a dictator in that locker room. You best to group think or hope your ass is talented enough to catch on somebody else's squad.

101 shit people, come on.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 18, 2015, 03:42:36 PM
The Jordan stories we do have are vicious. Bird too.

I wonder if Luc Longley would go home and curl up into a giant 7 foot 2 ball at night.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 18, 2015, 03:46:34 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on November 18, 2015, 03:42:36 PM
The Jordan stories we do have are vicious. Bird too.

I wonder if Luc Longley would go home and curl up into a giant 7 foot 2 ball at night.

Tony Kucoc did.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 18, 2015, 08:44:17 PM
Pels-Thunder with Durant and Unibrow out
(http://i.imgur.com/36G14Bk.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 18, 2015, 09:10:35 PM
"Jordan would never yell at his teammates or be that selfish"

- random casual sports fan or Skip Bayless
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 19, 2015, 04:37:08 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on November 18, 2015, 07:28:41 PM
Was Tom Brady a locker room dictator?

Drew Henson was around so no. Now? 100%
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 20, 2015, 01:17:43 AM
The Warriors are just unreal. Another 4th quarter comeback against the Clips and its like there was never a doubt. That 5 man lineup they have at the end of games is just unfair. There is no other word for it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T234 on November 20, 2015, 02:15:14 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUPA0J_UAAAbH9G.jpg:large)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 20, 2015, 01:54:37 PM
Dirk

18.5 points a game.
FG:52%
3pt: 50%
PER:23.40

In only 29 minutes a game.

 :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 20, 2015, 01:56:51 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 20, 2015, 01:54:37 PM
Dirk

18.5 points a game.
FG:52%
3pt: 50%
PER:23.40

In only 29 minutes a game.

 :lawd


Stop nutriding, breh

Which puts him solidly below such greats as Enes Kanter, Cliff Cappella, and Manu Ginobili's corpse.

:ufup
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 20, 2015, 02:01:15 PM
Praising one guy doesn't necessarily mean dissing another. Plenty of plaudits to go around for good play. Not a zero sum game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 20, 2015, 02:03:18 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 20, 2015, 02:01:15 PM
Praising one guy doesn't necessarily mean dissing another. Plenty of plaudits to go around for good play. Not a zero sum game.

I was just busting your balls. But Dirk is all but done now, kinda sad always liked his game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 20, 2015, 02:13:38 PM
Done I think is harsh. Kobe is done. They are currently 8-4 and using him pretty much perfectly and they were a team that wasn't expected to do much at all this year. Now I don't think they will maintain that pace but still impressive to me. I also think Carlisle is just an awesome coach.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 20, 2015, 02:26:55 PM
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HANG TIME NEW JERSEY — We knew the Golden State Warriors were going to get back into the game Thursday night. It was just a matter of whether or not the Los Angeles Clippers, a pretty good team in their own right, could hold on after leading by as many as 23 points in the second quarter.
But Luke Walton went to his trump card a little earlier than usual and the Clippers were toast.
The trump card is a lineup of Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, Andre Iguodala, Harrison Barnes and Draymond Green. With five shooters on the floor, the Warriors spread you out and slice you up offensively. And they use their length and quickness to switch everything and not give up much on the other end of the floor.
The Warriors typically don’t use the super-small lineup early in games. Of the 48 minutes its played this season, only 16 have come before the fourth quarter. It’s kind of like Mariano Rivera, if Mariano Rivera was not only a lights-out closer, but also a .750 hitter who gets to bat in every spot of the order.
With 5:41 left to go in Thursday’s game, Barnes checked in for Festus Ezeli and the lineup was in place. The Clippers were still up by 10 points at that point.
But on the super-small lineup’s first possession, Curry hit a three. Paul Pierce answered, but the Clippers couldn’t keep up with the Warriors when they proceeded to make six of their next seven shots, with five of the six coming from 3-point range.

The super-small lineup outscored the Clippers 25-8 in that final 5:41 to keep the Warriors unbeaten and the Clippers on the wrong side of a one-sided rivalry.
Here’s the boxscore from the final 5:41. The Warriors shot 2-for-2 on twos, 5-for-6 on threes, and 6-for-6 on free throws. They recorded assists on all seven of their buckets.
That’s ridiculous, but it’s not too far off from the norm. That lineup has played 48 total minutes this season and has outscored its opponents 164-104 in those 48 minutes, shooting 23-for-38 (61 percent) from 3-point range, with assists on 73 percent of its field goals.
164-104!
The Warriors are the best team in the league, by far. And the lineup of Curry, Thompson, Iguodala, Barnes and Green is the best the Warriors have to offer.
Walton is going to the lineup more often than Steve Kerr did. It only played 102 minutes in 37 games in the regular season last year. But Kerr did go to it a lot more frequently in the playoffs, when it logged 111 minutes over 16 of the Warriors’ 21 postseason games.
The lineup has been ridiculously successful no matter who the coach has been. It’s the Warriors’ trump card and it’s near impossible to stop.

(https://turnernbahangtime.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/20151120_gsw_lineup.gif?w=498&h=279)

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2015/11/20/small-lineup-is-warriors-devastating-trump-card/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 20, 2015, 02:27:33 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 20, 2015, 02:13:38 PM
Done I think is harsh. Kobe is done. They are currently 8-4 and using him pretty much perfectly and they were a team that wasn't expected to do much at all this year. Now I don't think they will maintain that pace but still impressive to me. I also think Carlisle is just an awesome coach.

Agree on Carlisle, what I meant is Dirk is no longer a top notch option of a playoff offense.

Imagine if they could finagle Boogie out of Sacramento :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 21, 2015, 08:06:29 PM
(http://a1.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/photo/2015/1119/nba_g_76ers_1296x729.jpg)
 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 21, 2015, 08:08:36 PM
Also, Sacramento's starting lineup today was the best thing ever:
Collison (5-11) / Rondo (6-1) / McLemore (6-4) / Cousins (6-11) / Cauley-Stein (7-0).

Cousins was a monster 29pts 12rebs 6asts 3stls 3blks. 13/15 from the line.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 21, 2015, 08:43:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To_rBsRpZFo

Shortly thereafter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD2oZs5WERs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 21, 2015, 08:51:17 PM
Cousins is the best player no casual fan respects. Why are you as a kinda serious fan pretending to break news here?

nicca please
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 21, 2015, 09:00:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lRcn3oNnLM

youtube gettin closer to nene highlight i want...andre needs to shave his shoulders, it's distracting on close ups
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 21, 2015, 09:01:36 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 21, 2015, 08:51:17 PM
Cousins is the best player no casual fan respects. Why are you as a kinda serious fan pretending to break news here?

nicca please
:heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 21, 2015, 09:02:11 PM
Easy to tell you couldn't crossover a nun. Stop.


Yes I'm drunk but goddamnit you non athletes judging those who are pisses me off of occasion.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 21, 2015, 09:03:50 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on November 21, 2015, 09:01:36 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 21, 2015, 08:51:17 PM
Cousins is the best player no casual fan respects. Why are you as a kinda serious fan pretending to break news here?

nicca please
:heh

I'm 38.

Me: 21

You : Knee injury

Now please make a witty retort but you ain't shit. Stop dogging guys who made it, thanks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 21, 2015, 09:08:20 PM
I thought you're supposed to outgrow the phase where you get drunk, don't get laid and look for a fight instead.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 21, 2015, 09:08:38 PM
:jnc

this is how a real man plays defense:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiDk7xclFKg
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 21, 2015, 09:09:15 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 21, 2015, 09:08:20 PM
I thought you're supposed to outgrow the phase where you get drunk, don't get laid and look for a fight instead.

Yeah?

I'd thought you'd outgrow the phase where false confidence works.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 21, 2015, 09:12:32 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on November 21, 2015, 09:08:38 PM
:jnc

this is how a real man plays defense:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiDk7xclFKg

Grew up with Rodman, The Glove, and Pippen. Am I supposed to say wow now?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 21, 2015, 09:19:37 PM
Quote
Tom Haberstroh
@tomhaberstroh

Such a bizarre game. Heat are first team this season to have 10+ blocks before halftime. And they're down by 16 to the 76ers.
Sixers are only shooting 33%, but Heat are shooting 28%. The non-Wade Heat shooting 21%.
 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 21, 2015, 09:27:55 PM
This from last night was the play of the week: http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:14184127
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 21, 2015, 09:50:06 PM
good god is the pistons' bench terrible, they'd probably be a playoff lock otherwise
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 21, 2015, 10:57:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNfBK-IVIOQ

highlight i wanted, at ~35 seconds  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on November 22, 2015, 12:15:27 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugFgTEkE0z0

 :noah
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 22, 2015, 12:27:50 AM
I liked Magic Johnson a week or so back about Kristaps being the steal of the draft when he went FOURTH. And two of the three guys taken ahead of him are already looking like guaranteed All-Stars at worst.

I love Magic.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on November 22, 2015, 01:40:36 AM
I know it's early and they have a billion injuries, but I'm not looking so good right now for defending the Alvin Gentry hire.

Also, did AiA just randomly start raging at benji for posting Boogie Cousins' line?  Am I missing something?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 22, 2015, 02:30:25 AM
He's right though. I've never had a professional or even collegiate athletic career. What right do I have to mention a big game from Cousins, as a mere casual, even if I can probably dig up some GAF posts (or elsewhere) where I questioned how he as a monster yet skilled big man shouldn't be the #1 or #2 pick in 2010 even with Wall available and his 19 year old attitude problems?

I bet I could crossover a nun though. The robe would be a real disadvantage.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on November 22, 2015, 02:35:49 AM
ok sure aia is corny but you're pretty obnoxious tho
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 22, 2015, 02:39:38 AM
I cannot deny that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2015, 06:35:46 AM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on November 22, 2015, 12:15:27 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugFgTEkE0z0

 :noah
This dude out here banking hook shots
:whoo
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Kara on November 22, 2015, 10:19:40 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on November 22, 2015, 02:30:25 AM
I bet I could crossover a nun though. The robe would be a real disadvantage.

Yeah but Carmelites live apart from the world. Just think about how ruthless that makes them on the court.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2015, 12:47:25 PM
Quote from: Kara on November 22, 2015, 10:19:40 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on November 22, 2015, 02:30:25 AM
I bet I could crossover a nun though. The robe would be a real disadvantage.

Yeah but Carmelites live apart from the world. Just think about how ruthless that makes them on the court.
And unlike many players they have a Father in their life.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Kara on November 22, 2015, 04:45:56 PM
:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on November 23, 2015, 08:13:51 AM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on November 22, 2015, 12:15:27 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugFgTEkE0z0

 :noah

did one of the comms just say "I didn't know he was amphibious"? :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 23, 2015, 11:20:33 AM
So how many games will the warriors win this year? Do they have a chance at 70? Keeping in mind they won 67 last year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season already over. Just give the rings to the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 23, 2015, 11:30:19 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjFEPXGlLiM
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season already over. Just give the rings to the Warriors)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 24, 2015, 03:00:43 AM
Lebron joins the Big O as the only players in history in the top 25 in points and assists. Humbly declines to compare himself to Oscar.


Quote
"I think what we get caught up in, in our league too much is trying to compare greats to greats instead of just accepting and acknowledging and saying, 'Wow, these are just great players,'" James said. "I think in the NFL when you talk about great quarterbacks, they don't really compare great quarterbacks. They say, 'Oh, Joe Montana is great.' You know, 'Tom Brady is great. Aaron Rodgers is great. Steve Young is great.' (Terry) Bradshaw, all those great quarterbacks they never compare them as much, but when it comes to our sport we're so eager to say, 'Who is better, Oscar or (Michael) Jordan?' or, 'Jordan or LeBron or Kobe (Bryant) or these guys?' instead of just accepting greatness."


Asked if he has any great memories of Reggie Miller's career "Uh, no"


Quote
And yet, when it was mentioned to James Monday morning that he would soon pass Miller, he was asked if he had a favorite memory of from Miller's career.

"Uh, no," James said, standing in silence until another question was asked on a different topic.

I asked James after the game Monday night if I had missed something with him and Miller, if there was a beef.

"Nah, I have no problem with Reggie," James said, with a hint of a smile.

Dat GOAT status

 :preach



Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season already over. Just give the rings to the Warriors)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 24, 2015, 09:26:16 AM
Fuck Reggie and his whiny ass voice.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season already over. Just give the rings to the Warriors)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 24, 2015, 09:28:44 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 24, 2015, 09:26:16 AM
Fuck Reggie and his whiny ass voice.

Most hated dude in the NBA from that era I think. I've never heard a pro give more than the standard canned response about how he was "a good player", ever.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season already over. Just give the rings to the Warriors)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 24, 2015, 09:39:55 AM
he and Dan Patrick are so fucking annoying on DP's show, and that's coming from a Dan Patrick fan
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season already over. Just give the rings to the Warriors)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 24, 2015, 09:44:02 AM
I mean you dudes know your basketball.

Jordan: Complete dickhead. But he's also the GOAT and gets his respect

KG: Had to have played with him to like him it seems.

Kobe: He gets a lot of hate but he's got a pocket of greats who back him.

Shaq: Total dicktard but he also has his pocket of dudes in his corner.

AI: Young players worship the ground he walks on. Not so much his peers, but still

Gary Payton: Another guy who wasn't well liked but his team always had his back.

Reggie: Nobody says anything more than they have to, ever. You never hear even his ex-teammates wax poetically about him. He just comes off as a complete fucking douchebag every time he talks. I can imagine 82 games a year with that guy had to grate even the most patient man.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season already over. Just give the rings to the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 24, 2015, 12:43:42 PM
I almost posted that Lebron quote yesterday. I loved Reggie Miller as a player. He was actually maybe my favorite player during that era but he is absolutely annoying and so cliched as an announcer. He's like a complete turn off to watch a basketball game when he is one of the commentators.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season already over. Just give the rings to the Warriors)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 24, 2015, 12:53:55 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 24, 2015, 12:43:42 PM
I almost posted that Lebron quote yesterday. I loved Reggie Miller as a player. He was actually maybe my favorite player during that era but he is absolutely annoying and so cliched as an announcer. He's like a complete turn off to watch a basketball game when he is one of the commentators.

Agree 100%. Never liked Reggie as a person though. Always came off a bit....er....off.

Nobody ruins basketball for me worse than Reggie Miller except maybe Michael Cage.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season already over. Just give the rings to the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 24, 2015, 01:00:17 PM
I like Reggie more than say Jon Barry but that's damning with faint praise if there ever was a case.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season already over. Just give the rings to the Warriors)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 24, 2015, 01:01:45 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 24, 2015, 01:00:17 PM
I like Reggie more than say Jon Barry but that's damning with damning with faint praise if there ever was a case.

Wait I have to add one.

Mark Jackson any time he's covering Golden State. Any fucking time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season already over. Just give the rings to the Warriors)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 24, 2015, 02:04:25 PM
I'll say it again. Reggie Miller sounds like the type of guy who tells your mom you ate dessert before dinner.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season already over. Just give the rings to the Warriors)
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 25, 2015, 01:00:22 AM
Just looked at the box score on that Lakers/Warriors game. Kobe went 2 for 21?! Holy shit.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season already over. Just give the rings to the Warriors)
Post by: Mandark on November 25, 2015, 01:01:57 AM
Says 1 of 14 for me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season already over. Just give the rings to the Warriors)
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 25, 2015, 01:08:05 AM
Yea, just came back to correct it. I read it wrong.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season already over. Just give the rings to the Warriors)
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 25, 2015, 02:43:43 AM
Man, just think- in like 4 more years, Walrus will have transferred his hate over to Steph Curry for doing a better job of threatening Kobe's ring count than Lebron.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season already over. Just give the rings to the Warriors)
Post by: Shadow Mod on November 25, 2015, 02:47:18 AM
Who even cares Bill Russell still shits on everybody...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season already over. Just give the rings to the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 25, 2015, 02:51:39 AM
The best stat is that he still has 17th highest usage right in the league. So to put that in perspective his usage rate is higher than Chris Paul, Kawhi Leonard, Jimmy Butler, Derrick Rose, Andrew Wiggings, etc.

It's very close to Kevin Durant at 28.1 versus 28.4.

And he's shooting 34%.

 :dead

I mean its not surprising that he's fallen off at his advanced age. It's just that he still refuses to change any aspect of his game. He is truly like Allen Iverson if Iverson had been allowed to keep on playing this way past when he was effective.


Also


Quote
Los Angeles Lakers coach Byron Scott defended Kobe Bryant's poor shooting and aggressive -- if questionable -- shot selection Monday by telling reporters the 37-year-old shooting guard's lengthy NBA career has earned him "that privilege, basically."

Bryant, who is in his 20th NBA season, is shooting a career-worst 33.1 percent from the field, including 20 percent from 3-point range. He is 1-of-14 from 3-point range in his past three games. Bryant shot 6-of-22 from the field Sunday in the team's 107-93 loss to the Portland Trail Blazers and missed all five of his attempts from beyond the arc.

Scott said prior to Sunday's game that he wanted Bryant to be more of a facilitator, yet Bryant took 12 shots in the first 10 minutes and later said he was "just trying to get us off to a good start."

Scott was asked about Bryant's shooting and how it sets the tone for isolation basketball rather than ball movement, which Bryant and Scott have both said has been lacking.

"It could be [that], but first of all, he's had 20 years of experience in the league," Scott told reporters. "We might not have six players that have 20 years in this league combined. He has that privilege, basically.

"From a coaching standpoint, I want Kobe to be Kobe. Other guys haven't earned that right yet.

 :snoop
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season already over. Just give the rings to the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 26, 2015, 11:25:39 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14228036/lebron-james-james-jones-cleveland-cavaliers-hold-players-only-meeting-loss-toronto-raptors

I love this idea that James Jones calling out anybody actually matters outside of the fact that he is best friends with lebron.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season already over. Just give the rings to the Warriors)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 26, 2015, 11:38:59 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 26, 2015, 11:25:39 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14228036/lebron-james-james-jones-cleveland-cavaliers-hold-players-only-meeting-loss-toronto-raptors

I love this idea that James Jones calling out anybody actually matters outside of the fact that he is best friends with lebron.

He's Lebrons right hand man. Like Oakley and Jordan.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season already over. Just give the rings to the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 26, 2015, 11:51:09 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 26, 2015, 11:38:59 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 26, 2015, 11:25:39 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14228036/lebron-james-james-jones-cleveland-cavaliers-hold-players-only-meeting-loss-toronto-raptors

I love this idea that James Jones calling out anybody actually matters outside of the fact that he is best friends with lebron.

He's Lebrons right hand man. Like Oakley and Jordan.

Oakley was at least actually useful. At least in that era of mug basketball where hitting people was considered legit defense. If I was Kevin Love and James Jones hopped in my face after a loss talking about intensity, I would brush him away like a fly.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season already over. Just give the rings to the Warriors)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 26, 2015, 02:21:00 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 26, 2015, 11:51:09 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 26, 2015, 11:38:59 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 26, 2015, 11:25:39 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14228036/lebron-james-james-jones-cleveland-cavaliers-hold-players-only-meeting-loss-toronto-raptors

I love this idea that James Jones calling out anybody actually matters outside of the fact that he is best friends with lebron.

He's Lebrons right hand man. Like Oakley and Jordan.

Oakley was at least actually useful. At least in that era of mug basketball where hitting people was considered legit defense. If I was Kevin Love and James Jones hopped in my face after a loss talking about intensity, I would brush him away like a fly.

Then you'd get a face full of Lebron, trust me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season already over. Just give the rings to the Warriors)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 26, 2015, 03:17:42 PM
I'll just leave this here.

http://m.tmz.com/#article/2015/11/26/jahlil-okafor-street-fight-kos-man-in-boston-video/

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season already over. Just give the rings to the Warriors)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 26, 2015, 03:22:35 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on November 26, 2015, 03:18:39 PM
Curry is probably the best player we've seen since Jordan.


LOL your Lebron Boner is ever stiff, isn't it?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 28, 2015, 11:31:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FdVWiiS0ew
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 29, 2015, 11:42:39 AM
Uh oh this kid's trending the wrong way...

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14248533/jahlil-okafor-philadelphia-76ers-stopped-speeding-ben-franklin-bridge

In last 3 months;

Had gun pointed at head at club

Punches fan who is pressing charges.

Now gets nailed doing 108 on a Bridge....

:kobeyuck

Those Based Sixers continuing to be the one team a Browns fan can laugh at!

:rejoice

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 29, 2015, 12:01:44 PM
http://deadspin.com/lopez-twins-say-they-wont-live-together-because-their-c-1745100164

No wonder they are soft ass rebounders.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 29, 2015, 07:24:22 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14254236/kobe-bryant-los-angeles-lakers-announces-retire-season

http://www.theplayerstribune.com/dear-basketball/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe announces retirement at the end of the season)
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 29, 2015, 07:28:00 PM
Good riddance, no talent rapist.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe announces retirement at the end of the season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 29, 2015, 08:08:14 PM
Quote
USA Basketball chairman Jerry Colangelo tells http://ESPN.com  that Kobe Bryant remains in contention for Team USA spot for Rio 2016

 :goty2

Anyway never my favorite player to watch (but then neither was Jordan) but a pretty amazing offensive player when he brought it. Those Kobe-Shaq teams were great teams. I thought less so of the Pau/Kobe years but they still won those titles.

I'm glad he announced what he did today instead of dragging it out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe announces retirement at the end of the season)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 29, 2015, 08:22:13 PM
About time.

Hopefully he will credit Shaq and Gasol for those titles before he dies.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe announces retirement at the end of the season)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 29, 2015, 08:23:26 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 29, 2015, 08:08:14 PM
Quote
USA Basketball chairman Jerry Colangelo tells http://ESPN.com  that Kobe Bryant remains in contention for Team USA spot for Rio 2016

 :goty2

Anyway never my favorite player to watch (but then neither was Jordan) but a pretty amazing offensive player when he brought it. Those Kobe-Shaq teams were great teams. I thought less so of the Pau/Kobe years but they still won those titles.

I'm glad he announced what he did today instead of dragging it out.

I like you a lot but if MJ wasn't you're favorite player to watch then you either dig the fundamentals to much or have no taste in the fine art of coordination.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe announces retirement at the end of the season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 29, 2015, 08:27:02 PM
He was imo the best player I've ever seen play the game (Jordan) but his personal style of play wasn't for me what I like about basketball. I preferred to watch Magic or Bird or even Lebron for that matter. But that's a personal taste thing versus who I thought was the best player.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe announces retirement at the end of the season)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 29, 2015, 08:28:15 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 29, 2015, 08:27:02 PM
He was imo the best player I've ever seen play the game (Jordan) but his personal style of play wasn't for me what I like about basketball. I preferred to watch Magic or Bird or even Lebron for that matter. But that's a personal taste thing versus who I thought was the best player.

Ah, you're a fundamentalist. No explanation needed.


But MJ made this game global. Make no mistake.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe announces retirement at the end of the season)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 29, 2015, 08:35:58 PM
Only  3 true innovators graced my lifetime fyi.

Dr J brought the game grace
Jordan brought the game to the world
Lebron made the game selfless

Anybody else just built the steps these dudes walk on. We are very lucky to have have a Lebron FYI

Edit: And I love Magic and Larry, and Nique, Vince, and then all the to Sleepy Floyd. Great players but only 3 had undisputed rights to the brand. Respect.

edit edit: And I also know Magic and Larry saved the league. But no rational person could actually pick one over the other. Kinda like Messi and Ronaldo. Once in a while a generation is lucky to have two.


Dat Simmons Davis future looks good though :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe announces retirement at the end of the season)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 29, 2015, 08:52:10 PM
And in 20 years when the NBA becomes the #2 most valuable sport in the world this kid right here.....might be among them top dogs. You heard it hear first

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iDkiyFUhxSI

Dat Lebron influence :hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe announces retirement at the end of the season)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 29, 2015, 08:55:39 PM
Ben Simmons is really good but he hasn't blown me away yet. Still early in the season though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe announces retirement at the end of the season)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 29, 2015, 08:56:38 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 29, 2015, 08:55:39 PM
Ben Simmons is really good but he hasn't blown me away yet. Still early in the season though.

He's not even old enough to drink breh. Kid gonna be a star.

You played AAU right?

Imagine trying to spot up a legit 6'10" facilitator with handles. :kobeyuck

Meanwhile in real life I put 19 on the "Stongks" in our little suburb over 30 league today. Dunked once too (not well but damnit it got down) and got a couple of blocks in :rejoice









Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe announces retirement at the end of the season)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 29, 2015, 09:06:59 PM
Yea I played AAU. Saw Manny Harris lighting folks up when he was a couple years younger than me.

Simmons should be scary in a couple months.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe announces retirement at the end of the season)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 29, 2015, 09:07:52 PM
You know who would shut down Ben Simmons on the daily? Gary Payton. Yup.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe announces retirement at the end of the season)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 29, 2015, 09:09:33 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 29, 2015, 09:06:59 PM
Yea I played AAU. Saw Manny Harris lighting folks up when he was a couple years older than me.

Simmons should be scary in a couple months.

I know Mans. If that kid had half a head he would have been, at the very worst,8th man deep in a playoff team.

Dude has stupid eyesight. Ain't it?


Best I ever played against was a dude named John Battle at a party. Dude was sick at like age 39 and wasn't even a renown pro.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe announces retirement at the end of the season)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 29, 2015, 09:21:02 PM
Yea. Michigan sure has a long history of Mr. Basketballs who never made it in the NBA; I bet all states have similar cases obviously given how rare it is to even make it to the NBA. Manny Harris, Marcus Taylor, Robert "The Tractor" Traylor (RIP. I met him at a Steve Fisher basketball camp when I was a kid, dude was really cool), etc.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe announces retirement at the end of the season)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 29, 2015, 10:54:05 PM
https://twitter.com/youngwhiteside/status/671167877165268992
:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe announces retirement at the end of the season)
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 29, 2015, 11:34:50 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 29, 2015, 10:54:05 PM
https://twitter.com/youngwhiteside/status/671167877165268992
:dead

(http://i.imgur.com/YQSYy.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe announces retirement at the end of the season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 29, 2015, 11:57:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcWqiT7rne8
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe announces retirement at the end of the season)
Post by: benjipwns on November 30, 2015, 09:43:47 PM
https://vine.co/v/iWaZqhw7WhY

The Cruel Tutelage of the Wolves' Kevin Garnett (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14172961/the-cruel-tutelage-kevin-garnett)

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 29, 2015, 08:52:10 PM
And in 20 years when the NBA becomes the #2 most valuable sport in the world this kid right here.....might be among them top dogs. You heard it hear first
Or in about fifty draft/recruiting columns from ESPN alone for the last two years.

Quote from: Chad Ford, in the last three months
Nov 13 Update: The majority of scouts and GMs I speak with continue to believe Simmons is the player in this class who has the best chance to be transcendent. His size, athleticism and feel for the game are unique. He's going to fill up the box score.

"Ben's really good at just allowing himself to play whatever the game dictates," LSU coach Johnny Jones told reporters after LSU's exhibition win Nov. 6 over Southwest Baptist. "He doesn't force it. If he's got an opportunity to make plays, knock down shots, I think he takes advantage of it. He can get to the rim, play inside or out, and he's done a good job of making passes. His assist line could have been up even higher."

Scouts can't peg what position he plays, no one is exactly sure what sort of season he'll have at LSU, but virtually all of them agree that he has the best chance to become a star.

Nov 3 Update: Simmons sits at No. 1 on our Big Board and is considered the best NBA prospect in the draft by the large majority of GMs and scouts I have spoken to. He is a special talent. Simmons has great size for his position, is a terrific athlete, has an extremely high basketball IQ and can play multiple positions on the floor.

In fact, in ranking Simmons, the hardest part was deciding at which position to put him. Some NBA teams I talked to have him listed at small forward, some at a power forward and one at point guard because of his ballhandling skills. The majority, however, put him at the 3 and believe he'll play the game in much the same way LeBron James does.

"There are a handful of really good players in this draft," one GM told ESPN.com. "But to me he [Simmons] is the only really special, transcendent talent. He's the rare guy that has the physical tools, the basketball skill set and the basketball intelligence to dominate the game. If he ever gets a consistent jumper, he could win MVP awards someday."

Aug 14 Update: Simmons is the prize of the class. While not every scout I spoke to agrees, the overwhelming majority believe he's the one player who could end up becoming a star. In fact, several GMs told me they would've selected Simmons No. 1 in 2015 had he been eligible. Playmaking bigs are in vogue right now, and Simmons, at 6-foot-10, 240 pounds, plays like a point guard. His unique style of play isn't for everyone, but the comparisons of him being a poor man's LeBron James or Magic Johnson aren't far off. His strong play at the Nike Basketball Academy against several NBA veterans and college players only solidified the opinion that, if used properly at LSU, Simmons will be the overwhelming favorite to go No. 1.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe announces retirement at the end of the season)
Post by: benjipwns on November 30, 2015, 09:46:08 PM
Stanley Johnson having another good game. Out of his slump.

Rockets finally playing Capela and Howard together is smart though, especially if Jones is going to stink this year. Capela can get nuts.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe announces retirement at the end of the season)
Post by: benjipwns on December 01, 2015, 12:20:06 AM
Hoopshype spotted Michael Sweetney in Uruguay:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUno4qPW4AAqnB-.jpg:large)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe announces retirement at the end of the season)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 01, 2015, 07:00:27 AM
On that Shawn Kemp diet plan I see....
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe announces retirement at the end of the season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 01, 2015, 07:10:17 PM
Battle of the Titans.

Philly versus the Lakers tonight!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kobe announces retirement at the end of the season)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 01, 2015, 07:11:35 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 01, 2015, 07:10:17 PM
Battle of the Titans.

Philly versus the Lakers tonight!

Does Nerlens Noel score more points than Kobe missed buckets?

Now that's a bet.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 01, 2015, 09:12:58 PM
Lakers down 14 in the 4th quarter.

 :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 01, 2015, 09:32:34 PM
Philly wins first game of the year against the Lakers.

That was a hard game to watch.

Kobe 7 of 26.

He took 17 three pointers.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 02, 2015, 01:29:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0tWxG8nUHU

Quote
Dirk Nowitzki ‏@swish41  1h1 hour ago
Dirk Nowitzki Retweeted NBA
@CJMcCollum did the old man dirty last night. At least my skating lessons this summer paid off....
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on December 02, 2015, 02:08:29 PM
He had 28/7/6 on 24 shots last night including a game tying tip in with 6 seconds to go

17/7 at a 51/46/90 clip is phenomenal for a 37 year old
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 02, 2015, 04:14:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K75qSV7g5k
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: eleuin on December 02, 2015, 04:44:12 PM
http://giant.gfycat.com/EvergreenBraveAnemone.gif

 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 02, 2015, 07:23:25 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14266781/golden-state-warriors-interim-head-coach-luke-walton-eligible-awards-not-credited-wins
Quote
OAKLAND, Calif. -- Luke Walton has more NBA Coach of the Month awards than official wins.

The Golden State Warriors interim coach was named the top coach in the Western Conference for October and November on Tuesday after leading the team to a record 19-0 start in place of the injured Steve Kerr.

While the NBA issued a statement earlier in the day reiterating that Kerr remains the head coach of record for Golden State, the league said Walton was eligible for the monthly award.

Kerr has been sidelined since training camp because of complications from offseason back surgery.

Walton expresses no angst over being winless, saying of Kerr, "Steve's done a lot for me. It's the least I can do to add a couple wins on his total for him with all he's done for me."

"I knew Luke would be a great coach when I hired him, but there is a huge jump from being a one-year assistant to being a head coach," Kerr said Tuesday. "I went through the same jump without even being an assistant. This stuff always comes down to talent. Do you have the talent? We have great talent. That's why we were the champs last year and why we're off to a great start this season."

There is no timeline for Kerr's return, but the defending champion Warriors have hardly missed a beat under Walton.

"I think it's ridiculous," Kerr told ESPN.com last week when asked about getting all of Walton's wins. "I'm sitting in the locker room and watching the games on TV, and I'm not even traveling to most of the road games. Luke's doing all the work with the rest of the staff. Luke is [19-0] right now. I'm not. So it's the dumbest thing I've ever heard, to be honest with you. I don't even understand it."
(http://a3.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2015%2F1120%2Fr28589_1296x729_16%2D9.jpg&w=570)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 02, 2015, 09:02:18 PM
welp, so much for the Hornets attempt at stopping the streak, Curry went 10/11 for 28 points in the third
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 02, 2015, 10:09:10 PM
https://vine.co/v/iWXh6ZiKxvQ

this guy...
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 02, 2015, 11:37:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRA_OverOQw
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 02, 2015, 11:46:07 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 02, 2015, 10:09:10 PM
https://vine.co/v/iWXh6ZiKxvQ

this guy...

Reminds me of old Tom Chambers.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 02, 2015, 11:49:38 PM
It's amazing how a ray of light can turn around the hopes of a franchise so quickly. People just want anything to believe in. Sort of makes what Philly has been doing look down right stupid.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 03, 2015, 12:14:22 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on December 02, 2015, 11:46:07 PM
Reminds me of old Tom Chambers.
I always wondered why tall white hopes never got this comparison instead of Bird. Early Van Horn was pretty athletic and took guys off the dribble for dunks to use one example.

He settled into his outside role more after injuries and playing with Marbury/Kidd.

EDIT: Thirty seconds into this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjT8qPZ9WBo
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 03, 2015, 12:21:25 AM
Even young larry bird was "athletic" in the sense of having great body control and skills. I mean I'm not going to pretend he was jordan but this image of Bird and in general white guys as unathletic slugs is sometimes overdone to play up the smarts stereotype angle. As injuries piled up, yeah Bird turned into that kind of less athletic player but athletic should have a wider definition imo than vertical leap.   
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 03, 2015, 12:25:58 AM
I mean in terms of comparison to Tom Chambers who had all the "athletic" stuff people think of...high jumping, lots of dunks, good speed for position, etc.

Bird was a master at controlling his energy expenditure. LeBron, Duncan, and peak-2003ish-McGrady are recent players who have had that Bird-like mode where they're impacting the game heavily, while not really exerting themselves too much in terms of flying all over the court, making unnecessary movements, etc.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 03, 2015, 12:28:55 AM
These are my favorite Bird videos on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhnRtgBGMl4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwo4vtaZmsY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o66NdFDHEQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gqDadqF3Ns

From related:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt-v1aupkY8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kfYnqiVK34

LeBron kinda has a blend of both Magic's over-passing for flair and Bird's flair passing because it's the best pass available.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 03, 2015, 12:31:39 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on December 03, 2015, 12:25:58 AM
I mean in terms of comparison to Tom Chambers who had all the "athletic" stuff people think of...high jumping, lots of dunks, good speed for position, etc.

Bird was a master at controlling his energy expenditure. LeBron, Duncan, and peak-2003ish-McGrady are recent players who have had that Bird-like mode where they're impacting the game heavily, while not really exerting themselves too much in terms of flying all over the court, making unnecessary movements, etc.



Oh I know what you mean. Rex Chapman was a white guy who was traditionally athletic. He could fly and dunk and make acrobatic moves. Where as Adam Morrison would be the posterboy for an unathletic white guy. Somebody who isn't quick enough to put the ball on the floor and make moves to the basket at the NBA level and has to strictly rely on his outside shot to drive his offense.

I was more going on a side tangent that someone like Bird wasn't Adam Morrison. He wasn't Rex Chapman either, but there is a wide gulf in between that. But white guys only tend to get lumped on the extreme ends of the spectrum.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 03, 2015, 12:34:02 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on December 03, 2015, 12:14:22 AM

I always wondered why tall white hopes never got this comparison instead of Bird. Early Van Horn was pretty athletic and took guys off the dribble for dunks to use one example.


I don't think many people saw Chambers play a lot. He was always on west coast teams in an era when NBA basketball wasn't televised as much as it was now. It wasn't until he was with Phoenix that he became more of a household name. But that was also at a time when the NBA was loaded with other stars (88-93'ish).

I only learned about him because of how awesome he was in EA Basketball games on the Genesis.



Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 03, 2015, 12:55:44 AM
He had hax on in EA's games. Not even Jordan could dunk at will on defenders from outside the paint constantly.

Rex Chapman is a funny player, he wasn't really a good player, and teams constantly were dumping him as a no-defense cancer until later in his career when he became more of a clear three point bomber after Pat Riley rebuilt him.

I was amused during the draft cycle when Kevin Love kept being called unathletic, when IIRC, he had some of the better numbers at the combine, especially for a big.

The NBA, the one place whites are actually discriminated against in some manner.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 03, 2015, 10:03:37 AM
the warriors are unbelievable
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 03, 2015, 04:27:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNgkNVKeKPs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 04, 2015, 12:03:27 AM
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/stephen-curry-is-the-revolution/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2015, 09:05:49 AM
http://deadspin.com/gregg-popovich-hilariously-fucks-with-an-nba-tv-reporte-1733400949

Followed by

http://deadspin.com/gregg-popovich-requests-craig-sager-ask-him-inane-ques-1746110335

How can you not fucking love this guy?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 04, 2015, 09:56:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpZBth7qiRI
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2015, 10:02:34 AM
The Magic are playing really well as of late.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2015, 10:16:48 AM
Nobody fucking cares. This thread is now about what a good human being Pop is.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 04, 2015, 10:48:03 AM
what you shut the fuck up already dude
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2015, 10:49:48 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on December 04, 2015, 10:48:03 AM
what you shut the fuck up already dude

Shut your vagina.

 :neogaf

Anyway, Curry got trolled lol

https://www.instagram.com/p/-38yCdvM1L/

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 05, 2015, 12:16:41 AM
Lebron scored 23 in the 4th but Pelicans hit a big 3 to send it to overtime.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 05, 2015, 12:38:37 AM
Entertaining game. You can tell the Cavs are gonna be dangerous once Irving and Shumpert come back.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 05, 2015, 12:43:22 AM
Cavs fall apart in ot.

Love useless again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 05, 2015, 04:40:30 PM
Quote
Today, Pau Gasol plays his 1000th game and told his followers to tweet him their favorite highlight of his career. Dirk decided to chime in..
https://twitter.com/swish41/status/673218276764155904
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on December 05, 2015, 06:12:12 PM
Nice start to Warriors - Raptors. Steph and Klay :whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 05, 2015, 07:33:31 PM
Lebron sitting against the Heat (for rest). Boo.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 05, 2015, 09:19:26 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on December 05, 2015, 07:33:31 PM
Lebron sitting against the Heat (for rest). Boo.

Kevin Love. 2 points. 1-5 at Half-Time.

WTF happened to this dude. Why is he so utterly one dimensional now on this Cavs roster.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 06, 2015, 12:46:36 AM
And he finishes with 5 points on 2 of 11 shooting.

 :trash
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 06, 2015, 10:24:17 PM
Last post on Kobe's stats this season I swear.


Kobe's Usage rate is now 12th in the nba.

He is shooting 30%

The lowest player who qualified in the NBA last year under field goal attempts shot was Trey Burke who shot 37%

He is shooting 22% from beyond the arc. The lowest player who qualified in the NBA last year under three point percentage was Corey Brewer who shot 28%

He is also taking the most three's per game of his career at 7.9 a game. His previous high was in the 05-06 season at 6.5.

I mean we are witnessing a season that is historically bad even by the standards of great players who are shot at the end of a long career.


And the thing is it doesn't really surprise anybody. I mean Kobe's career was always destined to end this way.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 07, 2015, 01:29:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SqNBc9eT-w
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on December 07, 2015, 12:41:35 PM
What an awful season to be a phoenix sun
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 07, 2015, 05:10:34 PM
Quote
Originally Posted by @twithersAP

LeBron James has signed lifetime contract with Nike, largest deal in company's history. Financial terms not disclosed. #Cavs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 07, 2015, 05:15:13 PM
Holy shit
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 07, 2015, 11:54:19 PM
Quote
NBA owners have been lobbying the league's front office since the summer of 2014 to step in with regard to the direction of the Philadelphia 76ers, sources told ESPN.com on Monday night.

It was that effort that helped lead to the hiring of Jerry Colangelo to a senior position earlier in the day, the sources said.

NBA commissioner Adam Silver was instrumental in forming the partnership between Colangelo and 76ers owner Joshua Harris, according to the sources.

Philadelphia's addition of Colangelo was received as positive news in league ownership circles, where he is respected as a former owner of the Phoenix Suns.

The 76ers' struggles on the floor have been readily apparent as they've gone 38-148 over the past two-plus seasons, which includes a 1-21 start this season, while they have undertaken a long-term rebuilding process under general manager Sam Hinkie.

But it was not the bad basketball as much as the hit to the business side that weighed on the rest of the league.

Owners routinely complained about the economic drag the 76ers were inflicting on the league as the revenues of one of the largest-market teams -- a franchise expected to contribute more robustly to league revenue sharing -- sagged.

For many teams, games featuring the starless and woeful 76ers as the visiting team have resulted in their lowest-attended games of the season, sources said.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14317233/nba-owners-lobbied-league-office-philadelphia-76ers-changes

We need a bailout for the 76ers.

 :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 08, 2015, 12:14:56 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrhA3iirG4Y


Also

Quote
Los Angeles Lakers coach Byron Scott announced a dramatic change to the starting lineup before Monday's game against the Toronto Raptors: He moved forward Julius Randle and guard D'Angelo Russell, the team's prized lottery picks in the past two drafts, to the bench for the first time this season.

Randle was the No. 7 overall draft pick in 2014 and Russell the No. 2 overall pick in 2015. Both are considered cornerstones of the Lakers' future. In their place, the Lakers started guard Louis Williams and rookie forward Larry Nance Jr. in L.A.'s 102-93 loss in Toronto.

"Look, [Russell and Randle] are young. They still have a long way to go. They've got a lot of work to do," Scott said before the game. "This change wasn't so much based on them not performing up to their capability. It's based on where we are as a team. That's why I made this adjustment tonight.

"We're 3-17, so obviously, it's not working. So I wanted to get some new blood in there, some fresh blood, and see how those guys play.

 :jawalrus

What a joke.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 09, 2015, 06:46:49 AM
https://vine.co/v/i7A22BDn1jO
https://vine.co/v/i7DTTwumHY5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2bpzN21cT8
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on December 09, 2015, 07:11:45 AM
https://twitter.com/SherwoodStrauss/status/674538857610784769 (https://twitter.com/SherwoodStrauss/status/674538857610784769)

 :obama
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on December 09, 2015, 12:50:48 PM
Make fun of someone for thinking kobe is an all star while thinking klay is an all star brehs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 09, 2015, 09:49:02 PM
The Eastern Conference is weird.  The hornets currently have the 2nd best record in the east.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 09, 2015, 09:53:44 PM
East is wayyy better this year.  A ton of competition for first.  Clevelands path isn't a sure thing anymore.

Fuck, the Heat are playing great.  Celtics look ok too
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 09, 2015, 11:49:00 PM
http://youtu.be/SgSgwSHehfE
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 11, 2015, 02:34:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6xqO7QHKh0
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 12, 2015, 03:26:22 AM
How about the cavs and my nicca shump? We coming.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 12, 2015, 06:08:16 PM
http://nypost.com/2015/12/12/carmelo-blasts-back-at-barkley-you-know-nothing-about-me/

No lies detected by Barkley. Which is ironic because Carmelo is going to retire with as many titles as he did.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 12, 2015, 06:20:13 PM
I didn't hear the telecast to hear the context of what Barkley said but I have a feeling I wouldn't have agreed. Which is not to say that Carmelo is some perfect person or that he doesn't sometimes shoot too much. He can be the best leader in the world but that isn't going to change the reality of what the knicks are and the talent they have. Carmelo is a great offensive player but not a good defensive one. There have a been a lot of great NBA players who fell into that mold. It is what it is.

The thing to question is if winning a title was the A1 most important thing in the world to him he would have left New York to go to Chicago. He ain't winning a title on the knicks. It's too late at this stage in his career and with the talent the knicks have. Even then I don't really blame him. Money is just as important if not way more in leading a happy life as titles.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 12, 2015, 07:12:39 PM
You play to win or you play to build a business. He did the later. I ain't mad at him but he isn't Lebron/Duncan/Kobe tier and he never will be.

I'll never hate on a dude who is stacking racks like that dude is.

He has/had all the talent in the world. One of the better inside/out scorers of the last 10 years for sure.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 13, 2015, 01:55:16 AM
The Warriors are human.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 13, 2015, 02:10:00 AM
That's what stinks about the NBA. You're just going to have 6 or 7 "schedule losses" through the year and there is nothing you can do about it.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 14, 2015, 03:59:05 PM
http://deadspin.com/nba-ref-bill-kennedy-announces-hes-gay-days-after-rajo-1747937581?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Classy Rondo.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 14, 2015, 05:41:20 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 12, 2015, 07:12:39 PM
You play to win or you play to build a business. He did the later. I ain't mad at him but he isn't Lebron/Duncan/Kobe tier and he never will be.

I'll never hate on a dude who is stacking racks like that dude is.

He has/had all the talent in the world. One of the better inside/out scorers of the last 10 years for sure.

What do Carmelo's business ventures have to do with his on court play? He's still the shoot first guy who doesn't make his teammates better.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 14, 2015, 07:01:21 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 14, 2015, 05:41:20 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 12, 2015, 07:12:39 PM
You play to win or you play to build a business. He did the later. I ain't mad at him but he isn't Lebron/Duncan/Kobe tier and he never will be.

I'll never hate on a dude who is stacking racks like that dude is.

He has/had all the talent in the world. One of the better inside/out scorers of the last 10 years for sure.

What do Carmelo's business ventures have to do with his on court play? He's still the shoot first guy who doesn't make his teammates better.

Dedicating time to improving your craft versus taking time to work on your image.

Any question where he spends his?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 14, 2015, 08:22:38 PM
Do you really think working in the gym more is going to make him pass the ball more?  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 14, 2015, 08:52:00 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 14, 2015, 08:22:38 PM
Do you really think working in the gym more is going to make him pass the ball more?  :doge

Didn't say that did I?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 15, 2015, 02:08:39 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 09, 2015, 09:49:02 PM
The Eastern Conference is weird.  The hornets currently have the 2nd best record in the east.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/playoff_prob.cgi?lid=standings_forecast

The Monte Carlo simulation records for teams projected to finish .500+:
1. Boston Celtics (50-32)
2. Charlotte Hornets (50-32)
3. Cleveland Cavaliers (50-32)
4. Toronto Raptors (49-33)
5. Indiana Pacers (49-33)
6. Chicago Bulls (47-35)
7. Miami Heat (45-37)
8. Atlanta Hawks (44-38)
9. Detroit Pistons (44-38)
10. Orlando Magic (41-41)

1. Golden State Warriors (66-16)
2. San Antonio Spurs (60-22)
3. Oklahoma City Thunder (53-29)
4. Los Angeles Clippers (45-37)
5. Utah Jazz (44-38)
6. Dallas Mavericks (41-41)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 15, 2015, 02:34:20 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-qxWqezV6E

 :whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 16, 2015, 11:56:53 AM
http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2599564-lebron-james-shows-love-to-special-olympian-gives-him-shoes-after-game

Total class act.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 16, 2015, 03:11:14 PM
Watching his and hers on ESPN and they just straight eithered Florida for the same reason we do?

"Did y'all hear Steve Smith said he shoot Santa claus if he came through his chimney?"

"I just heard about some dude dying stuck in a chimney"

"Sounds like a Florida story"

"Well funny enough, lord......"

*Everybody laughing

"Florida stop"


:rejoice

Edit

Going to break "why didn't you tell me I had weed on my jacket?(guest star),  "I tried to swat it"

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T234 on December 16, 2015, 03:25:52 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 16, 2015, 03:11:14 PM
Watching his and hers on ESPN and they just straight eithered Florida for the same reason we do?

"Did y'all hear Steve Smith said he shoot Santa claus if he came through his chimney?"

"I just heard about some dude dying stuck in a chimney"

"Sounds like a Florida story"

"Well funny enough, lord......"

*Everybody laughing

"Florida stop"


:rejoice

Edit

Going to break "why didn't you tell me I had weed on my jacket?(guest star),  "I tried to swat it"

This sounds like a trainwreck, I gotta see it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 16, 2015, 03:44:04 PM
Quote from: T234 on December 16, 2015, 03:25:52 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 16, 2015, 03:11:14 PM
Watching his and hers on ESPN and they just straight eithered Florida for the same reason we do?

"Did y'all hear Steve Smith said he shoot Santa claus if he came through his chimney?"

"I just heard about some dude dying stuck in a chimney"

"Sounds like a Florida story"

"Well funny enough, lord......"

*Everybody laughing

"Florida stop"


:rejoice

Edit

Going to break "why didn't you tell me I had weed on my jacket?(guest star),  "I tried to swat it"

This sounds like a trainwreck, I gotta see it.

Rodney Harrison said that Norman cat he's beefing with can get in a ring with him, get knocked out, and share an ice tea.

:hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 16, 2015, 04:35:01 PM
Rumours starting to swirl around Dwight Howard that he wants out of Houston. Normally I'd be sympathetic towards a player and unconfirmed rumours but not in Dwight's case.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 16, 2015, 04:38:25 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 16, 2015, 04:35:01 PM
Rumours starting to swirl around Dwight Howard that he wants out of Houston. Normally I'd be sympathetic towards a player and unconfirmed rumours but not in Dwight's case.

He's at best a 3rd option on a team worth a shit. Not sure what he thinks he's going to accomplish here?

To expand I think he's finally hit the maturity level where his legacy matters more than skittles and making babies and it's probably too little, too late.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 16, 2015, 07:27:21 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on December 16, 2015, 06:42:00 PM
Should have stayed with the Lakers then. We would have built him a statue.

You wouldn't have won shit dude, shut up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 16, 2015, 08:12:54 PM
One rumor has him wanting to go to Miami, and the Rockets wanting Whiteside, Winslow and picks. Also read that he's come to strongly dislike James Harden. (And is missing his buddy Parsons.)

It's kinda amazing how fast Dwight ruined his image. From "Superman!" and a great performance taking his team to the Finals that had people discussing his place in the pantheon of all-time centers to what...three Dwightmares in five years now?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 16, 2015, 10:07:15 PM
Kobe was right.
(https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/NKMsjPxfQ8rFAHc6Gf5GxQLSG3w=/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/2402706/soft.0.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 16, 2015, 10:32:53 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on December 16, 2015, 08:12:54 PM
One rumor has him wanting to go to Miami, and the Rockets wanting Whiteside, Winslow and picks. Also read that he's come to strongly dislike James Harden. (And is missing his buddy Parsons.)


I would do it (as Miami) if I could leave Winslow out of it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 16, 2015, 10:52:49 PM
Quote
“I haven’t said nothing to nobody about anything,” Howard said. “I’ve been positive, trying to turn this thing around any way possible. People always going to make up lies or rumors to get off. But I haven’t said nothing or anything to anybody. That’s never been a focus. (It’s) to try to get these guys to play better, to make myself to play better.”
Whew. This is a guy whose word you can take to the bank.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 17, 2015, 12:05:17 AM
Rubio got ever so close to a quadruple double tonight: 9pts 10rebs 12asts 8stls

Had four times as many steals as the entire Knicks team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on December 17, 2015, 12:15:44 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on December 16, 2015, 06:42:00 PM
Should have stayed with the Lakers then. We would have built him a statue.
you're literally the only laker fan I've ever seen say they wish Dwight stayed

edit *lakers fan that lives in LA, assuming you live in LA
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 17, 2015, 07:28:07 AM
I wouldnt want Howard within 300 feet of my team. He's a cancer with diminishing returns on top of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T84OdNjH-a8

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 17, 2015, 06:38:30 PM
Cavs versus Thunder tonight should be fun.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 17, 2015, 09:43:11 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/_YxanzxxlA/

 :omg
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 17, 2015, 10:46:23 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 17, 2015, 06:38:30 PM
Cavs versus Thunder tonight should be fun.



It was a fun game to watch. The swing play ended being that play where Lebron got to pass the ball to himself and still scored.

I know the Cavs were injured, but that crunch time lineup they had out there was putrid.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 17, 2015, 10:46:43 PM
Them Cavs  :rejoice


A win's a win, stop crying.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T234 on December 18, 2015, 12:46:25 AM
Bron just trucked a chick.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 18, 2015, 11:39:49 PM
Jackson n Drummond
:lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 19, 2015, 02:25:25 PM
yea...Ben Simmons is very good brehs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 19, 2015, 05:39:45 PM
Kyrie starting tomorrow
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2015, 09:17:25 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on December 19, 2015, 03:10:48 PM
Simmons going to the Sixers would be the kind of cosmic injustice that lets you know God is dead.
Bill Simmons as their GM?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2015, 12:17:34 AM
Brandon Jennings got a D-League back from injury tune-up (apparently he was happy to do so...unlike some other injured NBAers) now he's re-tweeting anyone's highlights of his game:
https://twitter.com/jkoskinen/status/678412775773835264
https://twitter.com/nbadleague/status/678409216126660610
 :lol

And I completely forgot there was a minor league team back in Grand Rapids.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2015, 02:08:03 AM
The Clippers are the hardest team for me to figure out this season. Bring back Del Negro!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 20, 2015, 11:59:20 AM
Come on D Willy....and you ain't even a rook...


http://deadspin.com/derrick-williams-blames-750k-jewelry-heist-on-two-wome-1748957399
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on December 20, 2015, 03:25:17 PM
That much money in jewelry is dumb. But what do I know.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 21, 2015, 07:41:35 AM
Kyrie is baccccckkkkkkkk.

Suck it deep, Golden State fellating niccas.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 21, 2015, 04:22:20 PM
Quote
"[Sportando] Celtics reportedly make David Lee available for a trade"

I forgot he was even playing for them.

Checks stats.

I'm surprised he is only playing 16 minutes a game on that squad.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 21, 2015, 10:30:11 PM
Rudy Gay: https://vine.co/v/iKFriY0BnAV
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 21, 2015, 10:40:17 PM
olynk leaves KAT shook: https://vine.co/v/iKUqz5rpBWi

dat pop: https://vine.co/v/iKUtLOJIgJA
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 21, 2015, 10:40:21 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 21, 2015, 04:22:20 PM
Quote
"[Sportando] Celtics reportedly make David Lee available for a trade"

I forgot he was even playing for them.

Checks stats.

I'm surprised he is only playing 16 minutes a game on that squad.



I don't follow the team, but I hear Simmons complain that they have too many guys that do the same kinds of things.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on December 21, 2015, 10:57:09 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on December 21, 2015, 10:40:21 PM
I don't follow the team, but I hear Simmons complain that they have too many guys that do the same kinds of things.
they're an island of misfit toys, I don't see anyone on that roster being a legit important piece on a great team besides IT
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on December 21, 2015, 11:17:40 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 21, 2015, 04:22:20 PM
Quote
"[Sportando] Celtics reportedly make David Lee available for a trade"

I forgot he was even playing for them.

Checks stats.

I'm surprised he is only playing 16 minutes a game on that squad.

http://www.celticsblog.com/2015/12/17/10367412/every-single-boston-celtics-lineup-combination-is-better-without-david-lee
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 22, 2015, 05:45:54 AM
Noah came up with 8 assists in 16 minutes. :leon
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 23, 2015, 12:07:00 AM
http://deadspin.com/a-museum-dedicated-to-stephon-marbury-is-opening-in-chi-1749374584

This is kind of amazing. After going out like a fuccboi with the Knicks, he now has statues and museums dedicated to him in China. Truly the land of opportunity. :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 25, 2015, 02:24:57 AM
The Sixers sent two second rounders to New Orleans for 27 year old Ish Smith (career ORtg: 94) and waived Tony Wroten.

Winning Time begins!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 26, 2015, 08:31:33 AM
https://twitter.com/mike_bresnahan/status/680638996519763972
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 26, 2015, 11:57:40 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syIA3ko98oE

spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCFCGNZOyQU
[close]
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 27, 2015, 03:31:39 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUqg7vxbqr0

deandre like "nope" :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 27, 2015, 03:41:20 AM
Quote
Two burglars tried to enter the house of Manu Ginobili’s parents, Hector and Raquel. They left as the alarm was activated. “I bit the finger of one of them,” said Manu’s mother.
:holeup
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 28, 2015, 08:14:26 AM
Cavs have been pretty awful on the current roadtrip.

I kinda discount the Xmas game though. They had open shots. Just nothing would fall.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 28, 2015, 09:13:16 AM
The Suns gutted their coaching staff except Hornacek. (Lame duck contract.)
Quote
Sources told ESPN.com on Sunday night that the Suns are promoting longtime NBA guard Earl Watson and former NBA D-League head coach Nate Bjorkgren to the bench to work closer to Hornacek and will dismiss veteran assistants Mike Longabardi, who was heading up Phoenix's defense, and Jerry Sichting.
And Bledsoe injured his knee again in that Sixers loss.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 28, 2015, 10:26:38 AM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wallara01.html

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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 29, 2015, 01:00:40 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVxlvilWG8g
pretty cool. perfect music selection
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 29, 2015, 11:08:41 AM
For what its worth I actually like the retirement tour thing. When I was a kid, there seemed to be a lot of backlash when Dr J had his like it was some big disruption, but whatever. It's equals parts entertainment as it is sports.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 30, 2015, 03:16:13 AM
http://uproxx.com/dimemag/markieff-morris-suspension-apology/
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For Markieff Morris to reclaim his season from the depths of hell in which it currently resides, he’ll need to change his behavior. Sure, he’s been underperforming in the box score, but it’s his moodiness — culminating in a towel-throwing incident that got him suspended for two games — that has put him in head coach Jeff Hornacek’s dog house. And it’s that attitude that Suns leadership is demanding he change.

Though ‘Kieff has already served the two-game suspension the Suns levied at him, according to Yahoo’s Marc Spears, his return is still predicated on an apology to his coach, GM and team president. He’s expected to do so at a meeting before the team practices on Tuesday, after which he’ll be permitted to rejoin his teammates if he satisfies the higher-ups.

Based on grumblings leaked to Spears, it sure seems like Morris is still unhappy with the situation.

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Still, some within Morris’ camp are confused by the team’s requests because Morris already apologized to Hornacek and his teammates on Twitter and sent a separate apologetic text to Hornacek. Morris also has spoken with his teammates regularly during the suspension.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 30, 2015, 07:45:01 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9KAzsy5xU4
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 30, 2015, 09:28:03 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/30/us/nba-player-shot-new-york/index.html

Damn what is it with the Knicks and getting robbed?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on December 30, 2015, 10:33:02 PM
dubs without curry (http://i.imgur.com/dR9KFHN.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 31, 2015, 01:09:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIOHzrJgipg
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 01, 2016, 07:08:10 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/_-1MFHrzTp/

no comment...
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 01, 2016, 09:30:27 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 01, 2016, 07:08:10 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/_-1MFHrzTp/

no comment...

That seems fueled by cognac and anger.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 01, 2016, 09:37:28 PM
Shot of the stuff available at the scorer's table for players entering the game, apparently there's small snacks there somewhere:
(http://d2s3dt9f4iyeup.cloudfront.net/images/standard_v1/dedb295a-f2ef-4fe8-9a75-86d56b337009.jpg)

Bonus shot of the computer screen of the scorer's tabulation of FGA's.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 03, 2016, 02:45:02 AM
nasty injury to faried  :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 04, 2016, 03:15:36 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CX5KLSrWwAAeTlW.jpg:large)

Larry could get off the ground at one point.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 04, 2016, 04:25:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfyS8oYXWHM
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 04, 2016, 04:27:15 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on January 04, 2016, 03:15:36 PM
Larry could get off the ground at one point.

We talked about this earlier in the thread. How the legend of Larry being an unathletic slug during his prime was overblown. He became that. But early in his career he was way more athletic than the stereotypes suggest.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2016, 10:34:09 PM
Elton Brand signed a contract with the Philadelphia 76ers on Monday, with the hope he can be a mentor to rookie Jahlil Okafor.

https://thecauldron.si.com/because-i-m-not-through-with-this-game-yet-that-s-why-c04382612e71

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The truth is, my decision to return to the NBA isn’t about money, and it isn’t about rings. It isn’t even about me, really, although every athlete would like to go out on his or her own terms. It’s about repaying what’s owed, about making sure that the young men who follow in my footsteps get what they’re entitled to (and what I haven’t always given them).

It’s not so much that I failed the guys I was tasked with mentoring over the years; it’s that I barely even tried. I never took the time to share the legendary Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s writing with them. I never sincerely answered their questions about what David West was trying to warn them about during NBPA meetings. I didn’t tell them why they should be reading Etan Thomas’ essays.

I was simply too busy following the NBA blueprint that had been engrained in me from the beginning: Play well, keep your head down, offend as few people as possible, and get paid. Now, here in Philadelphia, my adopted hometown, I’m excited to have a chance to do things differently — be a positive influence and help the organization get back on track.

You might’ve noticed we’ve got a pretty talented kid on the roster in Jahlil Okafor, someone I happen to share some things in common with. Despite how he’s been portrayed, I know Jahlil. He’s a good kid with a good heart. He’s not unlike most 20-year-olds you probably know, and he’s definitely not at all different than most of his fellow players. Hell, if camera phones were around when Brad Miller, Ron Artest, and I were Jahlil’s age, we might’ve been banned from the league altogether, never mind suspended for a few games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 05, 2016, 08:33:30 AM
How 'bout them Cavs?

Next.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: HiResDes on January 06, 2016, 12:16:33 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 04, 2016, 10:34:09 PM
Elton Brand signed a contract with the Philadelphia 76ers on Monday, with the hope he can be a mentor to rookie Jahlil Okafor.

https://thecauldron.si.com/because-i-m-not-through-with-this-game-yet-that-s-why-c04382612e71

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The truth is, my decision to return to the NBA isn’t about money, and it isn’t about rings. It isn’t even about me, really, although every athlete would like to go out on his or her own terms. It’s about repaying what’s owed, about making sure that the young men who follow in my footsteps get what they’re entitled to (and what I haven’t always given them).

It’s not so much that I failed the guys I was tasked with mentoring over the years; it’s that I barely even tried. I never took the time to share the legendary Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s writing with them. I never sincerely answered their questions about what David West was trying to warn them about during NBPA meetings. I didn’t tell them why they should be reading Etan Thomas’ essays.

I was simply too busy following the NBA blueprint that had been engrained in me from the beginning: Play well, keep your head down, offend as few people as possible, and get paid. Now, here in Philadelphia, my adopted hometown, I’m excited to have a chance to do things differently — be a positive influence and help the organization get back on track.

You might’ve noticed we’ve got a pretty talented kid on the roster in Jahlil Okafor, someone I happen to share some things in common with. Despite how he’s been portrayed, I know Jahlil. He’s a good kid with a good heart. He’s not unlike most 20-year-olds you probably know, and he’s definitely not at all different than most of his fellow players. Hell, if camera phones were around when Brad Miller, Ron Artest, and I were Jahlil’s age, we might’ve been banned from the league altogether, never mind suspended for a few games.

Bring in the Dream or bust to work on his footwork, that's what he really needs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: HiResDes on January 06, 2016, 12:19:52 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 29, 2015, 11:08:41 AM
For what its worth I actually like the retirement tour thing. When I was a kid, there seemed to be a lot of backlash when Dr J had his like it was some big disruption, but whatever. It's equals parts entertainment as it is sports.
No one gave Jeter shit when he did his
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 06, 2016, 01:33:04 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM79gjbVeJ0
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 11, 2016, 01:33:30 AM
https://youtu.be/dmxwSTpR7gY
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 11, 2016, 08:00:16 PM
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The Nets reassigned their general manager and fired coach Lionel Hollins on Sunday in the midst of their worst season since moving from New Jersey.

The Nets said assistant Tony Brown will serve as the interim head coach, and the GM position will remain open until a replacement is hired.
I have to think Mark Jackson and Thibs are frontrunners for the coaching slot at minimum.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on January 11, 2016, 11:57:03 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 11, 2016, 08:00:16 PM
I have to think Mark Jackson and Thibs are frontrunners for the coaching slot at minimum.

If those guys feel confident about getting another head coaching job down the line, I can't see them taking the Nets job.  It's just a black hole the next few years.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 12, 2016, 12:34:17 AM
I imagine Thibs is too smart to take that Nets job...but Jackson? Especially in NY?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 12, 2016, 06:32:17 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarankPGs/ranking-top-10-point-guards-ever
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 12, 2016, 06:57:33 PM
Hrm.  Sample size for Curry is too small I think.  But he's making good progress for an even better rank.

Nash should be in the top 5
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on January 13, 2016, 01:43:49 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on January 12, 2016, 06:32:17 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarankPGs/ranking-top-10-point-guards-ever
Top 2 both played with Kareem, Stockton with Malone.  Curry the first without a dominant big man (not saying that diminishes the first three, it's just interesting).
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 13, 2016, 02:16:29 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on January 13, 2016, 01:43:49 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on January 12, 2016, 06:32:17 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarankPGs/ranking-top-10-point-guards-ever
Top 2 both played with Kareem, Stockton with Malone.  Curry the first without a dominant big man (not saying that diminishes the first three, it's just interesting).

You don't find curry to be a bit overrated on that list?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on January 13, 2016, 02:20:43 PM
Nah, as long as the context is understoood that Steph is 27 years old against a roster of mostly retired superstars.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 13, 2016, 02:22:41 PM
Curry's career is still a work in progress. He is still in his prime and only in his 7th season. But if he continue at this pace and obviously adds more championship appearances, it will be an amazing career indeed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 13, 2016, 02:23:01 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on January 13, 2016, 02:20:43 PM
Nah, as long as the context is understoood that Steph is 27 years old against a roster of mostly retired superstars.

Hmmm, I gave it a thought.

I'd take Magic, Stockton, Gary Payton, and the Big O over him and that's it. So I guess he's in my top 5.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on January 13, 2016, 02:24:29 PM
Yeah on that list if you rate him much lower you get Curry under Chris Paul and no one thinks that's how it's going to play out in the end.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 13, 2016, 02:31:05 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on January 13, 2016, 02:24:29 PM
Yeah on that list if you rate him much lower you get Curry under Chris Paul and no one thinks that's how it's going to play out in the end.

I guess my question is how did GP not make it?

No respect for defense at all on that list.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 13, 2016, 02:48:18 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on January 13, 2016, 02:31:05 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on January 13, 2016, 02:24:29 PM
Yeah on that list if you rate him much lower you get Curry under Chris Paul and no one thinks that's how it's going to play out in the end.

I guess my question is how did GP not make it?

No respect for defense at all.

fixed that for you.  Its an unfortunate truth that amazing defensive players almost always get the shaft when looking back at the best players.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on January 13, 2016, 03:46:13 PM
Curry's place basically depends on the semantics of what you mean by "best."

He obviously is nowhere near Stockton's career production, but Stockton never had a year as good as Curry's last season, and Steph is playing much better than that this year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 13, 2016, 04:02:25 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on January 13, 2016, 02:31:05 PM
No respect for defense at all on that list.
Stockton, Paul, Kidd, Frazier?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 13, 2016, 05:08:37 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 13, 2016, 04:02:25 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on January 13, 2016, 02:31:05 PM
No respect for defense at all on that list.
Stockton, Paul, Kidd, Frazier?

None of them were sticking Jordan to the point of getting him shook at times.

Stockton or Payton? Say that to yourself. Yeah.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XV7CdlfxYTU
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 14, 2016, 03:30:24 PM
That all-time PG list is being debated nonstop on radio here. Needless to say people are upset about Curry being ahead of Isiah Thomas. But the greatest thing thus far is that it morphed from Curry v Thomas into shitting on Magic Johnson due to the Olympic Team snub of Thomas  :lol

It's impossible to talk about Magic Johnson in Detroit without someone bringing 1992 up.  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 14, 2016, 04:57:01 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 14, 2016, 03:30:24 PM
That all-time PG list is being debated nonstop on radio here. Needless to say people are upset about Curry being ahead of Isiah Thomas. But the greatest thing thus far is that it morphed from Curry v Thomas into shitting on Magic Johnson due to the Olympic Team snub of Thomas  :lol

It's impossible to talk about Magic Johnson in Detroit without someone bringing 1992 up.  :doge

Yeah but that was because of MJ and Pippen dude.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 14, 2016, 04:59:20 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on January 14, 2016, 04:57:01 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 14, 2016, 03:30:24 PM
That all-time PG list is being debated nonstop on radio here. Needless to say people are upset about Curry being ahead of Isiah Thomas. But the greatest thing thus far is that it morphed from Curry v Thomas into shitting on Magic Johnson due to the Olympic Team snub of Thomas  :lol

It's impossible to talk about Magic Johnson in Detroit without someone bringing 1992 up.  :doge

Yeah but that was because of MJ and Pippen dude.

The argument is that Magic refused to vouch for or defend Thomas when he could have. Magic didn't want him on the team either.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 14, 2016, 05:01:49 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 14, 2016, 04:59:20 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on January 14, 2016, 04:57:01 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 14, 2016, 03:30:24 PM
That all-time PG list is being debated nonstop on radio here. Needless to say people are upset about Curry being ahead of Isiah Thomas. But the greatest thing thus far is that it morphed from Curry v Thomas into shitting on Magic Johnson due to the Olympic Team snub of Thomas  :lol

It's impossible to talk about Magic Johnson in Detroit without someone bringing 1992 up.  :doge

Yeah but that was because of MJ and Pippen dude.

The argument is that Magic refused to vouch for or defend Thomas when he could have. Magic didn't want him on the team either.

Yeah I could see that. Magic always talked out of both sides of his mouth.


And I can see why people would argue Isiah over Curry due to defense too. I'd say they are pretty even at present but if Curry continues to play like this then it's bye Zeke.


Edit: I kicked it with Isiah a few times. He's the nicest psychopath icon I know outside of Steve Smith in football.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 14, 2016, 06:16:40 PM
Cavs versus Spurs on TNT tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 14, 2016, 08:12:51 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14561465/windhorst-minnesota-long-cold-basketball-winter
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Minnesota started that night five year ago with the No. 2 pick, the No. 20 pick and a $4 million problem. Kahn intended to fire then-coach Kurt Rambis, but he hadn't and let him twist in the wind for months. Rambis was owed about $4 million on his contract and, based on conversations with other executives, it seems that Kahn was under a de facto mandate he had to raise that money to pay off Rambis before firing him. For the record, Kahn strongly denied this was the case. But many competitors who were doing business with him did not believe him.
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At this point, Kahn had turned the No. 20 pick into the No. 38 pick and the No. 43 picks and about $2.5 million. But, as was pointed out, he needed $4 million. So when the Rockets called about the No. 38 pick -- which the Rockets had just traded to Minnesota less than two hours earlier -- Kahn sold it right back to them for $1.5 million.
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Flynn flunked his physical in Houston for a reason the Wolves did not previously disclose. This caused a dustup because the Wolves proceeded to make four subsequent deals that all threatened to get blown up if the Flynn deal was voided.

To end the mess, the Wolves gave the Rockets another future second-round pick that ended up becoming the rights to Will Barton, who right now is a Most Improved Player candidate for the Denver Nuggets.

Then it turned out Ngombo was five years older than the Wolves thought he was, meaning he was ineligible to be drafted. After considering options for a few days, the league let the pick stand, but the Wolves no longer wanted him as a prospect.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 14, 2016, 10:13:19 PM
Spurs looking good down the stretch. That defense too good.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 14, 2016, 10:24:56 PM
Kawhi is a beast. He's really hit that next level of top flight superstar.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on January 15, 2016, 02:46:29 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarankPFs/ranking-greatest-power-forwards-nba-history (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarankPFs/ranking-greatest-power-forwards-nba-history)

I can dig it :larry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on January 15, 2016, 06:18:22 PM
I can dig the top 5. outside of being one of the best rebounders ever, Rodman's game is completely unremarkable
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 15, 2016, 08:05:55 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on January 15, 2016, 06:18:22 PM
I can dig the top 5. outside of being one of the best rebounders ever, Rodman's game is completely unremarkable

Uh, defense? You didn't watch him much did you?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 15, 2016, 08:06:46 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on January 15, 2016, 02:46:29 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarankPFs/ranking-greatest-power-forwards-nba-history (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarankPFs/ranking-greatest-power-forwards-nba-history)

I can dig it :larry

Not putting LBJ above Larry just yet. He needs another title.

I know Larry's sample size wasn't as large as we would have liked but dude ran the game back in the day.


Edit: my bad I was just reading the small forwards article.


Man this article pretty much proves the theory that skilled bigs are a dying breed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 16, 2016, 04:21:57 PM
They undersell Rodman's complete dominance of rebounding during his career:
Code: [Select]
Offensive Rebound Pct
1987-88 NBA 16.9 (2)
1988-89 NBA 17.6 (1)
1989-90 NBA 16.2 (1)
1990-91 NBA 15.0 (3)
1991-92 NBA 18.1 (2)
1992-93 NBA 16.1 (1)
1993-94 NBA 17.9 (1)
1994-95 NBA 20.8 (1)
1995-96 NBA 19.9 (1)
1996-97 NBA 18.9 (1)
1997-98 NBA 16.8 (2)
Career NBA 17.2 (1)
Code: [Select]
Defensive Rebound Pct
1990-91 NBA 27.8 (3)
1991-92 NBA 34.1 (1)
1992-93 NBA 36.8 (1)
1993-94 NBA 32.8 (1)
1994-95 NBA 37.8 (1)
1995-96 NBA 33.2 (1)
1996-97 NBA 32.2 (1)
1997-98 NBA 31.4 (1)
Career NBA 29.6 (1)
Code: [Select]
Total Rebound Pct
1987-88 NBA 18.6 (5)
1988-89 NBA 19.8 (3)
1989-90 NBA 19.0 (3)
1990-91 NBA 21.3 (1)
1991-92 NBA 26.2 (1)
1992-93 NBA 26.0 (1)
1993-94 NBA 25.7 (1)
1994-95 NBA 29.7 (1)
1995-96 NBA 26.6 (1)
1996-97 NBA 25.6 (1)
1997-98 NBA 24.1 (1)
Career NBA 23.4 (1)
Code: [Select]
Rank Player TRB% Season Tm
1. Dennis Rodman* 29.73 1994-95 SAS
2. Reggie Evans 26.67 2012-13 BRK
3. Dennis Rodman* 26.56 1995-96 CHI
4. Dennis Rodman* 26.19 1991-92 DET
5. Dennis Rodman* 25.99 1992-93 DET
6. Dennis Rodman* 25.74 1993-94 SAS
7. Dennis Rodman* 25.61 1996-97 CHI
8. DeAndre Jordan 24.47 2014-15 LAC
9. Dennis Rodman* 24.08 1997-98 CHI
10. Marcus Camby 24.06 2010-11 POR
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 16, 2016, 11:57:25 PM
Quote from: Woj
The Cavs have started to make calls on the market for Timofey Mozgov, who could appeal to Western Conference contenders.

It's no secret they haven't been happy at all with him this year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 17, 2016, 01:34:21 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCs3Dsl4sV8

I always had a real soft spot in my heart for that Pistons team. It wasn't pretty basketball but those dudes grinded.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 18, 2016, 12:44:18 PM
Warriors versus Cavs tonight.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 18, 2016, 08:42:52 PM
Cavs getting worked by the Warriors so far.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 18, 2016, 10:02:43 PM
Game is not going well for Cleveland at all.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 18, 2016, 10:05:35 PM
I think we can safely say there is a gap between the Spurs/Warriors and the Cavs. They simply pass the ball better as a team and create better offensive flow than the Cavs despite whatever talent the Cavs have.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 18, 2016, 10:17:17 PM
The Cavs as a team have taken only one more three than Curry. And made two fewer.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on January 19, 2016, 12:15:42 AM
damn i missed that game :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2016, 12:40:00 AM
Fuck Joe Dumars.

But anyway...so it's looking like LeBron might not bring a ring to Cleveland huh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 19, 2016, 11:18:48 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on January 18, 2016, 10:37:30 PM
Fucking retire, LeBron.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny_utO73eJY
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 19, 2016, 11:52:20 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2016, 12:40:00 AM

But anyway...so it's looking like LeBron might not bring a ring to Cleveland huh

There's still hope. San Antonio could beat Golden State in the WCF.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: eleuin on January 19, 2016, 12:58:17 PM
 :dead @ lebron sitting in blatt's seat in the 4th, away from his teammates
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 19, 2016, 01:22:31 PM
The Cavs feel like another version of those Big three Heat teams and the league for the moment has evolved beyond that model at least at the very very high end. The Heat and the Cavs try to implement some of the pace and space elements of the Spurs/Warriors but its never as crisp as those teams and when things go bad their first instinct is to immediately go back to a lot of isolation play. Which works against 98% percent of the league but not the Warriors and Spurs.

It's been obvious what the problem is for years but it seems like a high level problem that isn't easy to fix since it involves the tendencies of very high level players.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Syph on January 19, 2016, 05:00:07 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2016, 12:40:00 AM
Fuck Joe Dumars.

But anyway...so it's looking like LeBron might not bring a ring to Cleveland huh
It just takes one good (healthy!) series in the finals...but it's definitely not as guaranteed as with Miami
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 19, 2016, 05:48:25 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on January 19, 2016, 05:25:30 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2016, 12:40:00 AM
Fuck Joe Dumars.

But anyway...so it's looking like LeBron might not bring a ring to Cleveland huh

With Stern gone, this is a certainty.

Cleveland probably defeats Golden State last year with Stern.

Repeat after me. Nobody is fixing the fucking finals.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2016, 05:52:19 PM
What incentive would there be to rig it for Cleveland? Just curious, Walrus.

lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 20, 2016, 12:56:11 PM
https://twitter.com/rudygobert27/status/689662311213178880
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on January 20, 2016, 05:09:48 PM
EDIT: wtf, wrong thread
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 21, 2016, 05:43:23 AM
 :bow Another dominating record setting performance by Andre! :bow2

Most missed free throws in an NBA game at 23.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T234 on January 21, 2016, 01:15:38 PM
The Warriors are wrecking shop.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 22, 2016, 02:04:37 PM
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The Houston Rockets have acquired Josh Smith in a trade with the Los Angeles Clippers, the Rockets announced Friday.

The Rockets sent the draft rights to Maarty Leunen to the Clippers for Smith and the draft rights to Serhiy Lishchuk. The Clippers also will send cash to Houston to cover the balance of Smith's salary.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on January 22, 2016, 03:54:37 PM
The Cavs just fired David Blatt according to Woj's twitter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 22, 2016, 04:08:06 PM
Quote from: Mandark on January 22, 2016, 03:54:37 PM
The Cavs just fired David Blatt according to Woj's twitter.

Confirmed.

Clearly Lebron wants to coach this team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 22, 2016, 04:08:11 PM
I don't really give a shit about the NBA anymore, but I got an ESPN alert about it and was really confused. You're 30-11 and fire your coach?

Did the dude piss off LeBron or something?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 22, 2016, 04:10:53 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on January 22, 2016, 04:08:11 PM
I don't really give a shit about the NBA anymore, but I got an ESPN alert about it and was really confused. You're 30-11 and fire your coach?

Did the dude piss off LeBron or something?

Yup. He apparently doesn't play the right players on the court nor does he understand defense at all. According to Lebrons facial mannerisms on the sideline.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on January 22, 2016, 04:11:54 PM
Should be some interesting stories on how that went down.  I mean...has there ever been a firing like this before?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 22, 2016, 04:19:22 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on January 22, 2016, 04:11:54 PM
Should be some interesting stories on how that went down.  I mean...has there ever been a firing like this before?

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14627529/david-blatt-fired-cleveland-cavaliers-coach

According to this it looks like they were coordinating with Lue to get this done behind the scenes. Lebron must have exploded after the GE game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on January 22, 2016, 04:23:34 PM
The surprising part to me is that there weren't any real leaks before this.  Way less whispering about Blatt's job than last year, when he actually kept it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 22, 2016, 04:27:28 PM
Quote from: Mandark on January 22, 2016, 04:23:34 PM
The surprising part to me is that there weren't any real leaks before this.  Way less whispering about Blatt's job than last year, when he actually kept it.

In my head I see Lebron telling Gilbert to get this done right after the GS disaster. Lue has been waiting in the wings since he was hired. It was a matter of time but I thought for sure he'd get two seasons, Christ.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on January 22, 2016, 04:35:33 PM
Straight up signed Lue to a multi year deal.  Lebron close to being that player coach Mandark keeps wishing to see again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 22, 2016, 04:39:19 PM
"David Blatt told friends in Israel last week, "It's either me or Kevin Love." Just surprised LeBron didn't decide sooner..." - @PeterVecsey1
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on January 22, 2016, 04:40:52 PM
This also means Lue will most likely be the coach of the East's all star squad.  The disrespect brehs :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 22, 2016, 04:46:39 PM
Too bad I'm too busy to listen to sports radio right now. Imagine all the "wow, Jordan would NEVER do this  :doge" calls happening right now
:lawd

Doug Collins :tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on January 22, 2016, 05:29:37 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on January 22, 2016, 04:35:33 PM
Straight up signed Lue to a multi year deal.  Lebron close to being that player coach Mandark keeps wishing to see again.

Pretty sure that's Bill Simmons, not me.  Giving that contract to Lue seems a bit silly right now, but if he's the guy LeBron wants he'd probably be around next year anyway.

Curry and Golden State just leaving a trail of bodies in their wake.  Everyone they beat in the playoffs has looked disappointing this year (and only Memphis still has the same coach), they retired Kobe and got Blatt fired.  Lord.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on January 22, 2016, 05:41:41 PM
Quote from: Mandark on January 22, 2016, 05:29:37 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on January 22, 2016, 04:35:33 PM
Straight up signed Lue to a multi year deal.  Lebron close to being that player coach Mandark keeps wishing to see again.

Pretty sure that's Bill Simmons, not me.  Giving that contract to Lue seems a bit silly right now, but if he's the guy LeBron wants he'd probably be around next year anyway.
http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=34662.msg1413020#msg1413020 (http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=34662.msg1413020#msg1413020)

:ufup
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on January 22, 2016, 05:42:43 PM
Previous comment retracted!

 :yeshrug
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on January 22, 2016, 05:44:23 PM
I have no idea why I remembered that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 22, 2016, 05:53:18 PM
Woke up from a nap to the news.

Interesting.

I was never especially a fan of Blatt so the firing on that end doesn't bother me, but its more like I'm doubtful the cavs will make the necessary fundamental changes to their offense needed to compete with the Warriors or the Spurs. So I think the same problems will persist on that end.

I mean I get firing Blatt if you are bringing in Rick Carlise or some huge coach like Phil Jackson. But no disrespect to Lue, I'm a little skeptical that he is some x's and o's genius. We'll see. The most likely situation is they will continue along at roughly the same course and trajectory.

I do feel a bit for Blatt as any winning coach who gets fired does but its not like this doesn't happen in the NBA. Although Blatt is the most extreme case since its a currently ongoing season and not at the end of a season. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 22, 2016, 06:05:39 PM
Fuck Lebron.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 22, 2016, 06:07:43 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on January 22, 2016, 05:41:41 PM
Quote from: Mandark on January 22, 2016, 05:29:37 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on January 22, 2016, 04:35:33 PM
Straight up signed Lue to a multi year deal.  Lebron close to being that player coach Mandark keeps wishing to see again.

Pretty sure that's Bill Simmons, not me.  Giving that contract to Lue seems a bit silly right now, but if he's the guy LeBron wants he'd probably be around next year anyway.
http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=34662.msg1413020#msg1413020 (http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=34662.msg1413020#msg1413020)

:ufup

Lots of basketball related Ls going around amongst the chosen people today  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (End of the Blatt era)
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 22, 2016, 07:29:48 PM
Laughing at all the people (in the GAF thread) stanning for David Blatt. He was a dud, not only as an in-game coach but as a spokesman for the team.  Too thin-skinned and not always on the same page as the organization (or Lebron).

I feel bad for him, because he was brought into a no-win situation, but it wasn't like he made the best of the situation either.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (End of the Blatt era)
Post by: Steve Contra on January 22, 2016, 07:37:11 PM
Blatt was gone after this season if they didn't win a ring, that much was obvious.  But if this goes sideways and they say, fail to make the championship (something that seemed like a given barring anything unforeseen, say a major coaching change mid season when they lead the East) people are going to really start wondering about LeBron.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (End of the Blatt era)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 22, 2016, 07:41:10 PM
There will be interesting stories to come out, I'm sure in the next few months that will detail all the stuff that went down. But just watching them it often didn't feel right relative to the talent level. I remember when Blatt first arrived there was all this talk about a sophisticated european offense that was to come.

They ran like these little weaves at the top of the key in the first pre-season and then that went away and never came back. So the narrative sort of changed that Blatt was actually a defensive guru instead.

Ultimately it feels like Blatt was never able to implement what he wanted to bring over. Whether that's because of coaching deficiencies, lack of power to force the stars to play differently, or whatever is hard to say. I feel like just about any competent coach could have achieved what he achieved in this situation. I never felt like he was a plus on the sidelines. Just a neutral influence at best.

I'm sure he will get another chance in the league and we'll see how that goes. It was definitely a tough situation to be put into when expectations are championship or bust.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on January 22, 2016, 07:53:39 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on January 22, 2016, 05:44:23 PM
I have no idea why I remembered that.

It was fun reading that quote, cause I was thinking "I don't remember really pulling for a player-coach, but it would be fun to see... like a brokered convention!"  I'm swiftly becoming the old guy who keeps telling the same three anecdotes.

Blatt was in a rough position from the start, since he was brought in before LeBron came back, to a team which was going to have a much different roster and set of expectations.  I have no idea how well his offense would translate to the NBA, but Stoney's right that it basically got scrapped right away in favor of just running spread pick-and-roll.  Which isn't the worst thing, they put up huge numbers last year when Love, Kyrie, and LeBron were healthy in the second half.

Cleveland's main problem is they're "just" a contender in a year that has two all-time teams.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 22, 2016, 08:01:02 PM
Quote from: Mandark on January 22, 2016, 07:53:39 PM

Cleveland's main problem is they're "just" a contender in a year that has two all-time teams.

It's not just Cleveland. Even though nobody talks about it, I feel like the Thunder or the Clippers or any other good team are in the exact same situation. When you watch the Spurs and Warriors play, it just feels like solved basketball. Like they've figured out the most efficient way to play modern basketball and its from everything to the players, to the coaches, to the organizational approach. Yeah they can lose, but it takes such a huge breakdown over a 7 game series, that it seems so very unlikely. It doesn't feel like these other top tier teams can adapt despite whatever lip service they give.

So that's my problem with the coaching change. Unless it brings that philosophy or magically a better philosophy will it make a difference. I'm not even saying Lue won't do a better job than Blatt which is why I'm in favor of the change. But will it make such a huge difference that when I watch the Cavs play by the end of the year, I'll say, yep this team can beat the Warriors. I doubt it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (End of the Blatt era)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 22, 2016, 09:16:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmF6pe_yGa0
Title: Re: The NBA thread (End of the Blatt era)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 23, 2016, 01:26:50 AM
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INDEPENDENCE, Ohio – Player accountability, mismanaging, a building frustration and the absence of hope led to David Blatt's ouster as head coach of the Cleveland Cavaliers.

Despite a 30-11 record, the defending Eastern Conference champs lost belief.

A team that loses faith in the leader on the sidelines is destined to eventually fail. But management recognized it and was forced to make the jaw-dropping decision that ended Blatt's tenure with the organization after an 83-40 record in one and a half seasons.

The record doesn't illustrate the turmoil and animosity that went on behind the scenes and how it ultimately led to Tyronn Lue becoming head coach. It all stemmed from issues from last year which were never quite resolved.

During the first portion of the 2014-15 season, film sessions were a topic of discussion among the players. Blatt was reluctant to criticize star players even when they clearly messed up a play. This became routine. It got so bad that I'm told that Lue finally intervened, stood up and demanded that somebody rewind the footage so that he could get on members of The Big 3.

During team scrimmages, players competed aggressively but bit their tongues as Blatt frequently blew his whistle to call ticky-tack or phantom fouls for his go-to players. One player said sometimes Blatt didn't even have a whistle and would yell at the top of his lungs to stop play and call a foul if one of his stars acted as if he was hit.

It was viewed as a blatant attempt to get in the good graces of his top talent. Blatt's leadership was in question. Players grew tired of this treatment. The locker room started resenting Blatt's handling, or lack thereof, when it came to dealing with his stars.

Word circulated to cleveland.com that Blatt had trouble drawing up plays out of timeouts. He would freeze up and waste precious seconds, one player said. He would even draw up plays for players who weren't in the game, another player said.

In the closeout game of the Eastern Conference Finals, a game the Cavaliers trounced the Atlanta Hawks by 30 to sweep the series; Blatt had signaled for Tristan Thompson to reenter in the closing minutes with the game already wrapped up. This was when Thompson was the team's most valuable big man with Kevin Love out of commission with a dislocated shoulder.

The bench couldn't believe it. They were shocked, as was Thompson, who never questions authority. LeBron James told Blatt to put somebody else in the game, out of concern a key cog might get hurt before The Finals, a league source said. Kendrick Perkins got the nod, and a few minutes later, Brendan Haywood's number was called to finish it out.

This season, Blatt almost didn't make it past 2015. The 29-point road trouncing at the hands of the Damian Lillard-less Portland Trail Blazers on Dec. 26 was close to being his next-to-last game. If it wasn't for a unimpressive win over Phoenix two days later, Blatt would have been shown the door the following morning, cleveland.com has learned.

Lue's connection with the players is rock solid, with a reputation for understanding how to manage personalities. He has played with two of the league's biggest personalities -- Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant -- and he's been coached by some of the greats.

Blatt didn't have the necessary relationship with his guys to get players to buy in. Lue is expected to hold players accountable. He's not afraid to give James a piece of his mind. Players from 1 down to 15 will be held responsible.

But this predicament wasn't Blatt's fault. He didn't sign up for this roster. He was brought in to be a teacher and help mold a young Kyrie Irving, a younger Andrew Wiggins and a young, fiery Dion Waiters. He had to adjust on the fly while coaching one of the most talented rosters in the league.

His accomplishments while at the helm shouldn't go unappreciated. He allowed his coaching staff to have bigger roles than what most head coaches would permit. He understood the learning curve he faced and trusted his staff to help him through it.

In the end, his inexperience at the top level of the game was too much to overcome on a team in championship or bust mode. The notion developed that he was holding the team back. Monday's Golden State Warriors' beat down at The Q on national television set the stage. Wednesday night in Brooklyn, the Cavaliers didn't act like a team that had just snatched up a nice bounce-back road win. I'm told the team had a defeated disposition immediately after.

The organization -- especially David Griffin -- knew it was time.

Lue will have only have led the team for 11 games, but will likely coach the Eastern Conference All-Stars in Toronto next month. Timing is everything.

Unfortunately for Blatt, he ran out of time when the team ran out of hope.

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2016/01/why_david_blatt_got_fired_and.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread (End of the Blatt era)
Post by: Mandark on January 23, 2016, 02:01:51 AM
Woj also wrote a behind-the-scenes piece.  They're both basically strategic PR leaks, only from different sides.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (End of the Blatt era)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 23, 2016, 02:04:25 AM
Yeah I saw that one also. Guess we'll have to wait for the 30 for 30 15 years from now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (End of the Blatt era)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 23, 2016, 05:28:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O40OrXc-5U


Also Bulls versus Cavs tonight on ABC. ABC starting saturday night basketball.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (End of the Blatt era)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 23, 2016, 10:29:42 PM
hmmmmmmm
Title: Re: The NBA thread (End of the Blatt era)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 25, 2016, 01:43:03 PM
http://deadspin.com/espn-suspended-bob-ryan-for-calling-mark-jackson-a-bib-1754938611

Suspended for telling the truth.

 :jawalrus
Title: Re: The NBA thread (End of the Blatt era)
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 25, 2016, 02:08:57 PM
Heh, ironically not his first time he's said that. I heard him say it on Kornheiser's show before, but that's not national.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (End of the Blatt era)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 25, 2016, 02:51:29 PM
GM Lebron is his own biggest opponent. We look like we are ran by a 12 year old who's primary basketball experience is 2K/16
Title: Re: The NBA thread (End of the Blatt era)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 25, 2016, 06:32:16 PM
Warriors versus Spurs tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (End of the Blatt era)
Post by: Steve Contra on January 25, 2016, 06:33:39 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 25, 2016, 06:32:16 PM
Warriors versus Spurs tonight.
:whew

Can't remember a regular season game I've been more excited for.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (End of the Blatt era)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 25, 2016, 06:34:20 PM
10:30PM
:beli
Title: Re: The NBA thread (End of the Blatt era)
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 25, 2016, 06:44:47 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 25, 2016, 06:34:20 PM
10:30PM
:beli

Cutting into your time playing the inferior arpg?

:heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (End of the Blatt era)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 26, 2016, 12:36:12 AM
Well that was a crushing
Title: Re: The NBA thread (End of the Blatt era)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 26, 2016, 11:21:53 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 26, 2016, 12:36:12 AM
Well that was a crushing

This season has taught me two things

1) I really want to hate the warriors but I can't

2) The Cavs ain't winning jack shit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (End of the Blatt era)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 26, 2016, 11:45:49 AM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2611137-blake-griffin-injury-updates-on-clippers-pfs-hand-and-recovery

 :badass
Title: Re: The NBA thread (End of the Blatt era)
Post by: benjipwns on January 28, 2016, 03:15:01 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni9tFamh_uc
Title: Re: The NBA thread (End of the Blatt era)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 28, 2016, 11:06:41 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 28, 2016, 03:15:01 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni9tFamh_uc

Ha Ha that kid is right by our seats. He is fucking awesome.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 28, 2016, 03:15:53 PM
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NBA announces Sting will headline the @NBAAllStar halftime show

 :goty2
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on January 30, 2016, 08:57:56 AM
http://www.nba.com/video/games/clippers/2016/01/30/0021500706-lal-lac-play6.nba/ (http://www.nba.com/video/games/clippers/2016/01/30/0021500706-lal-lac-play6.nba/)

yaaaaas! great reaction by DeAndre too  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 30, 2016, 10:21:47 PM
Probably the Cavs most impressive performance of the year so far.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on January 31, 2016, 05:41:57 AM
(http://www.capitaltrachea.se/misc/barnes.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2016, 06:36:39 AM
Jeff Hornacek gone:
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Jeff Hornacek has reportedly reached the end of the road with the Phoenix Suns a month after they decided to give their coach and popular former player a second chance.

According to Yahoo! Sports, Hornacek was relieved of his duties in a conversation with general manager Ryan McDonough on Sunday night after a loss to the Dallas Mavericks -- their 19th defeat of 21 games and 14th straight on the road.

Phoenix began the season with playoff aspirations after posting records of 48-34 and 39-43 in Hornacek's first two seasons, and after the offseason signing of center Tyson Chandler.

Sources had told ESPN in late December that the Suns, despite the organization's well-known fondness for Hornacek, were forced to contemplate a coaching change far sooner than they hoped because of a slide that had dropped them to 11th place in the Western Conference. There was also a growing fear within the organization that the team was no longer responding to its head coach.

On Sunday, having fallen into 13th place at 14-35 in the 15-team West, the Suns decided the time was now to start over, according to the reports.

The Washington Post also reported Hornacek's firing early Monday morning.

One of the Suns' assistant coaches, either Corey Gaines or Earl Watson, was expected to be named the interim head coach, according to the Yahoo! Sports report.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 01, 2016, 04:59:47 PM
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The Cleveland Cavaliers have been invigorated over the past week following game plan changes by new coach Tyronn Lue, but it hasn't been the only event that has positively affected the team.

Following a meeting called by general manager David Griffin to inform the team that coach David Blatt had been fired, Cavs players held an extended and spirited players-only meeting, sources told ESPN.com. It turned into an airing of grievances, including by stars LeBron James, Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving, but eventually led to an agreement that has been a basis for the Cavs' recent strong play.

"It was like ripping off a scab," one team source said. "And it was exactly what needed to happen. I think it was what [Griffin] was hoping for."

Said another source: "It was very healthy for the team. It probably needed to happen weeks ago."

A central issue in the discussion, sources said, was the need for accountability within the team. One of the issues that was keeping the team from enjoying some of the successes of the season was the different set of rules for some players compared to others.

In what could turn out to be a key moment in their tenures together, James, Irving and Love came to an understanding that they needed to police each other on certain matters and use their influence within the team to set a standard for accountability, sources said. That was frequently a missing component over the past season and a half, sometimes creating friction.

Sources told ESPN.com's Dave McMenamin that James, Irving and Love led the conversation, owning up to personal faults and using the open forum to express what they expected out of their teammates.

"It's the type of conversation that only comes out when it's time for that conversation, if you know what I mean," a source said. The discussion got contentious at times, though sources said that it was expected.

James compared some of the Cleveland situation to his time with the Miami Heat. Other players challenged James on his need to set a stronger example, including with his effort level when he becomes frustrated, sources said.

Veteran James Jones played a key role in the gathering, both in bringing the players together and encouraging discussion, sources told McMenamin. Jones, whom players call by his nickname, "Champ," carries significant respect in the locker room.

Griffin asked Jones to organize the meeting. Players were told they were being called together to report to the Cavs' practice facility on their off day for a team matter. After Griffin addressed the team for 15 minutes and told them Lue was being promoted to head coach, the players stayed and discussed matters for around an hour. Lue did not address the team until the following morning at shootaround.

The Cavs lost their first game afterward to the Chicago Bulls, scoring just 83 points. But the mood in the locker room after the disappointing loss was more upbeat than following a quality home win over the Los Angeles Clippers 48 hours earlier.

The team has won the following four games including a 14-point win over the San Antonio Spurs on Saturday. Lue's focus on more active offense has seen the Cavs average 115 points during the winning streak.

After promising more elbow touches for Love, the forward has averaged nearly six elbow touches per game since Lue took over, an increase of 50 percent per game from his previous average, according to player tracking data on NBA.com. The new coach has also encouraged more aggressive play from Irving and altered rotations in an attempt to find space within games to feature each of the team's stars.

In both wins over the weekend, James, Irving and Love each scored more than 20 points, the first two times that that has happened this season.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14690965/cleveland-cavaliers-finding-success-holding-players-only-meeting
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 06, 2016, 06:15:55 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSMtpgNCrY0
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 06, 2016, 11:25:34 AM
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The Sacramento Kings, increasingly concerned about their floundering play under George Karl, entered the weekend hoping to delay any decision about the coach's future until the All-Star break, according to the league sources.

But sources told ESPN that the nature of the team's 128-119 loss Friday night to Brooklyn -- Sacramento's sixth loss in seven games -- and the fallout it generated have the Kings contemplating an immediate coaching change.

The Kings (21-29) have three road games remaining before the break: Sunday in Boston, Monday in Cleveland and Wednesday in Philadelphia.

It was not immediately clear if Karl would survive to coach all three of them or whom the Kings would choose as interim coach if they do make a change, but NBA coaching sources said early Saturday that it is unlikely Kings assistant coach Nancy Lieberman would take over. One possibility, sources said, is elevating assistant coach and former Kings forward Corliss Williamson to interim coach.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 06, 2016, 08:22:20 PM
Warriors versus Thunder tonight.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 07, 2016, 12:26:52 PM
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Russell Westbrook on the Warriors: "They’re a pretty good team, but it’s nothing we haven’t seen before. We’ll be ready for next time."

Sure you will.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74p3tnVpLGk
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 08, 2016, 12:39:33 PM
Quote
Ramona ShelburneVerified account
‏@ramonashelburne
The Knicks have fired Derek Fisher, sources told ESPN.

Oh Phil

 :snoop
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 08, 2016, 03:10:40 PM
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Skip Bayless (@RealSkipBayless)
Jun 10, 2014 - View on Twitter
Derek Fisher will prove to be a much better NBA head coach than Steve Kerr.


If the Knicks go after Luke Walton, I'll laugh.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 08, 2016, 03:37:32 PM
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Phil Jackson on why he fired Derek Fisher now: "I think it's nine losses out of the last 10 games. I think it's the business of winning. Obviously there are games in which we didn't get off to very good starts recently. But I think Derek was prepared. I think he took this business seriously. I think he was a dedicated worker. Some of that onus is on the players and I let them know that today."
"So unlike last year where the team was complete garbage..."

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Phil Jackson says that the decision to fire Fisher was his and that he'll look for a coach with a philosophy similar to his, which we can assume means a coach who runs the triangle.
Perfect! It can't fail!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 08, 2016, 03:42:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLbGSref1aw

 :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Syph on February 08, 2016, 04:46:06 PM
nothing will ever beat this response
(http://i.imgur.com/UNlENaZ.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 08, 2016, 04:51:08 PM
 :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 09, 2016, 01:53:10 AM
Quote
The Sacramento Kings are going ahead with a coaching change and plan to fire George Karl in the coming days, league sources told ESPN.

NBA coaching sources told ESPN that the Kings have decided internally that a change on the bench is needed and is likely to happen after Sacramento plays its final game before the All-Star break Wednesday in Philadelphia.
lol at dragging this out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib39MpDVD9k
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 09, 2016, 02:01:54 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F4K9F7waSY

 :rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 09, 2016, 01:59:14 PM
Quote
The Sacramento Kings, in a dramatic about-face, have decided against firing coach George Karl after a Tuesday morning meeting between Karl and Kings general manager Vlade Divac, according to league sources.

Sources told ESPN that, after Karl pledged to make some changes to address longstanding concerns about his defensive schemes and practice policies, Divac has decided to back the embattled coach.
:doge :doge :doge :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 09, 2016, 11:28:22 PM
Thank God for the Kings, Sixers, and Real Madrid or Browns fans would have nobody to laugh at :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on February 10, 2016, 02:59:34 PM
it's over for the grizzlies
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 10, 2016, 04:12:51 PM
Quote from: Zach Lowe
All the overblown hubbub over Whiteside's alleged defensive limitations has masked one of the real and irritating weaknesses in his game: The dude never passes. He has 21 career assists, and just 15 this season. Do you know how hard it is to record so few dimes? Friendly hometown scorers dole out that many fake assists to some guys over a normal month or two.

Whiteside could be just the seventh player ever to log at least 2,000 minutes and dish fewer than 0.5 assists per 36 minutes. His role doesn't require elite passing; he's a post scorer with an underrated soft touch, and a dunk machine picking-and-rolling with shooters around him. But on a few possessions every night, the opposing defense will smother those shots, and leave capable shooters open all over the floor. Whiteside ignores those players.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 10, 2016, 10:55:57 PM
Love got hurt tonight on that shoulder he had surgery on. Apparently not serious though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 11, 2016, 04:58:40 AM
LeBron is a monster:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A46T6XdK3UE
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 11, 2016, 10:11:46 AM
Monty William's wife died in a car accident  :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 11, 2016, 10:31:31 AM
https://streamable.com/30mg

Oh Phoenix...
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 11, 2016, 10:52:56 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14757066/nba-schedule-breaking-players
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 11, 2016, 09:22:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axEJiOzhozk
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on February 11, 2016, 10:36:09 PM
That Bron pass clip is the funniest thing I've seen all day. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2016, 07:29:50 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 11, 2016, 10:11:46 AM
Monty William's wife died in a car accident  :(
Depressing as fuck. Five kids :(

Monty is a good dude
http://deadspin.com/monty-williams-was-there-for-ryan-anderson-after-girlfr-1658474823
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 12, 2016, 11:36:20 AM
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The Houston Rockets, who enter the All-Star break one of the NBA's most disappointing teams at 27-28 overall, have begun contacting teams about a potential trade of veteran big man Dwight Howard, a league source told ESPN's Chris Broussard in confirming a report by Yahoo! Sports.

The source told ESPN that the Rockets are doing their "due diligence," as Howard's long-term future in Houston is uncertain. He is expected to bypass the $23.3 million he is scheduled to earn in 2016-17 to become an unrestricted free agent July 1.

The trade deadline is Feb. 18.

League executives told Yahoo! Sports that Howard's agent, Dan Fegan, and the Rockets are working together on potential destinations for Howard, an eight-time All-Star who turned 30 in December.

However, Fegan, in a statement to ESPN on Thursday, said that wasn't the case: "I'm not privy to what the Rockets are doing or not doing with respect to Dwight Howard. What I can say, with 100 percent certainty, is that Dwight has not and has never asked the Rockets for a trade. And neither have I." ‎

Howard, reached Thursday by ESPN's Marc Stein, said in reference to Fegan's statement: "Dan's statement is true. I have not asked the Rockets to trade me, nor have I talked about right trades. I want to win. I want this situation to work. I chose this team. And I'm not running because we have been faced with some adversity."

Quote from: Kevin Pelton
Any moves the Rockets make at the deadline -- involving Howard or any of his teammates -- are likely to be futile if Harden is the real underlying issue.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 13, 2016, 11:08:14 PM
http://goo.gl/JTN5HC
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on February 13, 2016, 11:13:23 PM
easily the best dunk contest in recent years
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on February 14, 2016, 03:14:48 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: eleuin on February 14, 2016, 03:19:38 AM
Gordon was robbed
(http://abload.de/img/untitled-37fqnk.gif)

Lightskin mixed guys are no longer considered black?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 14, 2016, 06:50:41 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on February 14, 2016, 02:31:18 AM
Question: do dudes like Zach Lavine, Steph Curry, Klay Thompson etc have n-word privileges?

Imagine you had a guy who looked exactly like Klay or Lavine, but instead of big and ripped was like 5'8" and scrawny. Could that person get away with using the n-word in a group of black people?
Um yes because they're black?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 14, 2016, 09:43:42 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-LNA9KlHhw
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 14, 2016, 10:58:44 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNDck2HaDO8#

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on February 13, 2016, 11:13:23 PM
easily the best dunk contest in recent years

Whole night was pretty good which is surprising for one of these events.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on February 14, 2016, 11:27:34 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on February 14, 2016, 02:31:18 AM
Question: do dudes like Zach Lavine, Steph Curry, Klay Thompson etc have n-word privileges?

Imagine you had a guy who looked exactly like Klay or Lavine, but instead of big and ripped was like 5'8" and scrawny. Could that person get away with using the n-word in a group of black people?

 :snoop
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 14, 2016, 11:29:32 AM
https://twitter.com/shanmustafa_yo/status/698566079304622085
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: eleuin on February 14, 2016, 10:55:09 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/EUjMkGy.gif)

 :mindblown :mindblown :mindblown
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on February 15, 2016, 01:36:38 AM
lmao this is the weirdest permutation of 'why can't i say it too' i've ever seen
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on February 15, 2016, 04:04:59 PM
so more like "why can't i say when i get a tan" then i guess
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2016, 11:09:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHBKMRZlG2c
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 16, 2016, 07:07:35 PM
Bosh may have blood clots again so he's out indefinitely.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2016/02/with-bosh-on-blood-thinners-how-realistic-is-return-this-season-exploring-plus-heat-trade-um-shows-i.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 16, 2016, 07:20:33 PM
Fuck  :'(

dudes one of my favorite players.  Such a bummer he's having these health issues.  If this continues to persist, I would honestly do the hard thing and retire.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on February 17, 2016, 12:24:29 AM
Chris :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 18, 2016, 12:44:54 AM
trades starting

Quote
The Detroit Pistons acquired Tobias Harris from the Orlando Magic in exchange for Brandon Jennings and Ersan Ilyasova, it was announced Tuesday.

Quote
The Charlotte Hornets acquired guard Courtney Lee from the Memphis Grizzlies in a three-team trade Tuesday that included three other players and four future draft picks.

P.J. Hairston was traded from Charlotte to Memphis, which also acquired forward Chris Andersen from the Miami Heat. The Hornets also parted with point guard Brian Roberts, who was traded to Miami.

Rumors about Rockets dealing Lawson for Utah's Trey Burke... Cavs talking about dealing Varejao to Orlando for Channing Frye

Kings fired another assistant coach.

Apparently Dwight Howard wants a new deal starting at $30 million a year. :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 18, 2016, 08:23:43 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BB6GT7bvPxz/

Hibachi on the def side dancin' like a freak........ :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 18, 2016, 02:55:59 PM
Good Cavs move. Varejao was prettty useless in the current incarnation of the cavs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 18, 2016, 03:35:19 PM
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Feb. 18: Suns send Markieff Morris to D.C.

Phoenix Suns get:
Kris Humphries, PF; DeJuan Blair, PF; protected first-round pick

Washington Wizards get:
Markieff Morris, PF


Quote
Feb. 18: Clippers get Green, send Stephenson to Grizzlies


Los Angeles Clippers get:
Jeff Green, SF

Memphis Grizzlies get:
Lance Stephenson, SG; first-round pick
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 18, 2016, 06:44:40 PM
Maybe Lance can rejuvenate his career in memphis like tony allen and zebo did. He's only 25.

Jeff Green is 29 but I feel like he's been in the league forever for some reason.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on February 18, 2016, 09:23:19 PM
so lance stephenson is on the same team as wario chalmers, tony allen, birdman, and matt barnes. interdesting
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 18, 2016, 09:26:20 PM
Quote from: Your Stalker on February 18, 2016, 09:23:19 PM
so lance stephenson is on the same team as wario chalmers, tony allen, birdman, and matt barnes. interdesting

#team
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXRN_LkCa_o
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on February 19, 2016, 05:30:54 PM
Celtics waive Lee:

http://www.nba.com/celtics/news/pressrelease/boston-celtics-waive-david-lee (http://www.nba.com/celtics/news/pressrelease/boston-celtics-waive-david-lee)

Not surprising. No trade, and he's been buried on the bench.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 20, 2016, 07:18:47 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 18, 2016, 06:44:40 PM
Jeff Green is 29 but I feel like he's been in the league forever for some reason.
He is from the same draft as Durant.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 20, 2016, 10:46:04 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 20, 2016, 07:18:47 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 18, 2016, 06:44:40 PM
Jeff Green is 29 but I feel like he's been in the league forever for some reason.
He is from the same draft as Durant.


I know. Just something about him feels old!

on an unrelated note.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN5K-8FrD8A&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 20, 2016, 11:23:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8D1sPLLFDYw
 :lol

I love the Spurs, man. All the no nonsense "fuck the narrative" angle of the NE Patriots, but without the cheating  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 21, 2016, 10:39:13 AM
Cavs versus Thunder at 3:30
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 21, 2016, 01:48:09 PM
http://www.tmz.com/2016/02/20/delonte-west-nba-houston-photo/

Yep.

 :gurl
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on February 21, 2016, 02:35:05 PM
That's depressing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 21, 2016, 02:44:01 PM
That's REALLY sad.  I really hope he can get help, but that expression of sympathy is usually just a default reaction to something that seems pretty long gone.  Very sad.  Dude was a great Cav back in the day.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 21, 2016, 06:21:36 PM
Cavs crushed the Thunder today.

A lot of people were starting to jump on the Thunder bandwagon even versus giants like the Spurs/Warriors and I never really saw it. They have the same issue as the Cavs when they play those teams.

Kevin Love also played one of his best games as a Cav.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 21, 2016, 08:15:05 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 21, 2016, 02:44:01 PM
Dude was a great Cav back in the day.
Except for that whole part at the end with somebody's mom...

That said, looking at West, Royce White, Larry Sanders, etc. the NBA could probably beef up their mental health stuff. It's one things if guys burn out after their career and into their 40s like Rodman.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 22, 2016, 03:24:31 AM
David Lee is signing with Dallas, Varejao with the Warriors.

Anthony Davis used some kind of lag hacks and dropped 59 and 20 on the Pistons. Pelicans still only won by five.

Shaq the only other player to do it, in 2000, 61pts 23rebs. I think that was the birthday game where the Clippers didn't give him extra tickets.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 22, 2016, 03:24:54 AM
Walrus was at Cavs-Thunder game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba4ALRCb2TQ
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 22, 2016, 11:11:22 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 22, 2016, 03:24:54 AM
Walrus was at Cavs-Thunder game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba4ALRCb2TQ

The only thing that got sucked up was Westbrook and Durant's swagger.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on February 22, 2016, 04:33:49 PM
https://twitter.com/Keith_Langlois/status/701877044850900994 oof :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 23, 2016, 01:19:05 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14828139/kyrie-irving-cleveland-cavaliers-says-bed-bugs-blame-absence
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2016, 12:40:06 AM
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:14834685  :lol

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:14834735  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 24, 2016, 10:44:45 AM
Houston is such a bad team. Good thing for those analytic peeps you all beat off about

But his PER is 18 brehs..... :gladbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 25, 2016, 12:29:23 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14843163/source-say-brooklyn-nets-joe-johnson-talking-buyout

A lot of playoff contenders will be after him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 25, 2016, 05:17:24 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14844941/brooklyn-nets-waive-former-all-star-guard-joe-johnson

It's official, let the chase begin.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2016, 01:55:56 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14847730/minnesota-timberwolves-kevin-martin-advanced-buyout-negotiations

Kevin Martin also about to become available for somebody.

Also Curry continues to just be nuts.

34 minutes.
51 points
FG: 20/27
3pt FG: 10/15
8 assists
7 assists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJXc8ocRY8M

Still carrying the highest PER ever for a single season at 32.32

My brother was at this game so I'm sure he'll give me lowdown on what that was like.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2016, 01:39:56 PM
It takes a great team to always bring out the bitter ex-jocks to tell you how much better it was in their day.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/it-s-ok-stephen-jackson-said-the--07-warriors-would-beat-2016-team-020029538.html

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/university-of-cincinnati/2016/02/25/oscar-robertson-coaches-today-dont-understand-basketball/80945006/

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=14849755
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 26, 2016, 01:41:38 PM
Watch your mouth boy, the Big O is a fucking legend. Don't ever mention him with Stephen fucking Jackson again, the fuck it the matter with you?


And he's 100% correct. Basketball is devolving into 3 and Dunk shit I use to play with my friends when we were kids. It's getting boring and sorry but Curry won't ever be the GOAT until he learns down to at LEAST get into a defensive stance once a game.

And goddamn if I don't sound like Walrus but I can't wait for the Spurs to put them out in the conference finals so we can stop jacking off about them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2016, 04:17:41 PM
Cavaliers versus Raptors tonight.

Warriors versus Thunder Saturday night.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 26, 2016, 07:21:47 PM
Quote from: Oscar Robertson
I look at games today, and they'll start a defense at the foul line.

Grandpa needs new glasses.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2016, 08:50:45 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14852790/joe-johnson-expected-sign-miami-heat

Looks like johnson to the Heat
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2016, 10:00:15 PM
Kyle lowry killing it tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2016, 10:10:03 PM
Great win for the Raptors.

Cavs were

 :snoop

in that 4th quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on February 27, 2016, 12:55:41 AM
Joe has a chance to do well in our system. Feel like the Heat are talented enough to make it to the ECF, especially if we play as we've had the last few games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 27, 2016, 10:00:11 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2016, 01:39:56 PM
It takes a great team to always bring out the bitter ex-jocks to tell you how much better it was in their day.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/it-s-ok-stephen-jackson-said-the--07-warriors-would-beat-2016-team-020029538.html

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/university-of-cincinnati/2016/02/25/oscar-robertson-coaches-today-dont-understand-basketball/80945006/

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=14849755
Quote from: Mandark on February 26, 2016, 07:21:47 PM
Quote from: Oscar Robertson
I look at games today, and they'll start a defense at the foul line.

Grandpa needs new glasses.

Quote
“Oh I’m sure, yeah,” Kerr told Fox Sports’ Sam Gardner. “I could have stopped this back in my time. Boy, I would have shut Steph down. Because athletes, you know, 50 years ago were much bigger, stronger and faster, more finely tuned. So Steph might not have made it in the league.”
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on February 27, 2016, 03:22:36 PM
How do boomers/post boomers from all walks of life have the same brand of rose tinted delusion? Or can Kerr just not handle his weed?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 27, 2016, 03:36:00 PM
Kerr's being facetious there.

Also...

https://twitter.com/andrewbogut/status/703336909825777665
https://twitter.com/StephenCurry30/status/703339244308328449
https://twitter.com/Money23Green/status/703340394680029184
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 27, 2016, 07:16:08 PM
 :rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 27, 2016, 10:57:36 PM
crazy okc warriors game
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 27, 2016, 11:05:29 PM
Quote
Bogut on former players wanting to "have their name heard again": "I just hope I'm not a bitter old man in my 50s and 60s. Every generation says the next generation is softer and slower, not as smart. I hope I'm not one of those men"

 :mynicca
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 27, 2016, 11:09:32 PM
Amazing game
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 27, 2016, 11:15:50 PM
CURRY IS FUCKING INSANE!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 27, 2016, 11:25:20 PM
WTF
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 27, 2016, 11:26:15 PM
I've never seen anything like this. He's broken basketball
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors are unbeatable. Curry GOAT Status confirmed)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 27, 2016, 11:46:16 PM
Quote
LeBron James
@KingJames


@StephenCurry30 needs to stop it man!! He's ridiculous man! Never before seen someone like him in the history of ball! 8m

Quote
Kristaps Porzingis
@kporzee


is this real life?


Quote
DWade
@DwyaneWade


Curry is UNREAL!!!! 18m

Quote
DeMar DeRozan
@DeMar_DeRozan


He can't be human.

Quote
Jamal Crawford
@JCrossover


This dude Steph is as free as I have ever seen anyone on a basketball court...


Quote
Dirk Nowitzki
@swish41


No way
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors are unbeatable. Curry GOAT Status confirmed)
Post by: eleuin on February 28, 2016, 01:27:03 AM
This dude is a straight up cheat code

making long range shots look like free throws wtf
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: curly on February 28, 2016, 03:14:37 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 26, 2016, 01:41:38 PM
Watch your mouth boy, the Big O is a fucking legend. Don't ever mention him with Stephen fucking Jackson again, the fuck it the matter with you?


And he's 100% correct. Basketball is devolving into 3 and Dunk shit I use to play with my friends when we were kids. It's getting boring and sorry but Curry won't ever be the GOAT until he learns down to at LEAST get into a defensive stance once a game.

And goddamn if I don't sound like Walrus but I can't wait for the Spurs to put them out in the conference finals so we can stop jacking off about them.

:neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors are unbeatable. Curry GOAT Status confirmed)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 28, 2016, 09:08:02 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nPGkqiksyC8

I give up. This guy is on some level I've never seen before, Jesus.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors are unbeatable. Curry GOAT Status confirmed)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on February 28, 2016, 10:59:30 AM
Man, he looks so casual doing that that at first I didn't realize how far from the line he was. He had time to get closer, too. Just madness.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors are unbeatable. Curry GOAT Status confirmed)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 28, 2016, 11:00:48 AM
Any other player in the history of basketball we'd be yelling idiot at some of the shots he takes. But for him.

 :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors are unbeatable. Curry GOAT Status confirmed)
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 28, 2016, 11:10:27 AM
The OKC bench knew it was over.

https://vine.co/v/i69laADrYZb
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors are unbeatable. Curry GOAT Status confirmed)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 28, 2016, 12:18:59 PM
Even the couple 3s he missed in OT barely spun out the basket. Curry is insane.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors are unbeatable. Curry GOAT Status confirmed)
Post by: Syph on February 28, 2016, 02:26:19 PM
Curry tha gawd
Need to see him hit that 3 with "if young metro don't trust you i'm...." in the background
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors are unbeatable. Curry GOAT Status confirmed)
Post by: Mandark on February 28, 2016, 02:38:37 PM
Best part is the OKC bench doesn't look surprised at all.  Kanter had started shrugging in defeat while the ball was still in the air.

Crazy thing is the Spurs could still beat them, cause they're both all-world teams.  The league is super top-heavy this year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors are unbeatable. Curry GOAT Status confirmed)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 28, 2016, 03:53:31 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14855509/mark-cuban-dallas-mavericks-says-nba-mull-moving-3-point-arc-back
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors are unbeatable. Curry GOAT Status confirmed)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 28, 2016, 04:06:20 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 28, 2016, 03:53:31 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14855509/mark-cuban-dallas-mavericks-says-nba-mull-moving-3-point-arc-back

I didn't know Cuban worked for Blizzard's StarCraft balancing team  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors are unbeatable. Curry GOAT Status confirmed)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on February 28, 2016, 04:36:47 PM
San Antonio lost by 30 in Oracle a month ago, albeit w/o Duncan. If you just look at the head to head matchups thus far, Oklahoma City is the only team in the West that's consistently competed with Golden State: they lost a close game in Oracle 3 weeks ago and should have beat them last night until fuckery ensued. They get the Thunder on Thursday and are @ the Sperms on the 19th, so we'll know more after a few weeks, but as of right now if anyone is beating Golden State in 7 it's OKC.

e: However, I wouldn't trust OKC to beat SAS to get the chance to play GS in the WCF
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors are unbeatable. Curry GOAT Status confirmed)
Post by: dkdk on February 28, 2016, 05:56:39 PM
i can't see OKC beating GSW unless they start to run an offense with some real movement. all of their action only gets easier to figure out as a series trudges on where as GSW grows into a series with that freeflowing offense. i'm not too familiar with how good Donovan is at IDing and making the necessary adjustments in a game so he's a complete wildcard.

that "my turn your turn" offense they run just isn't championship ball even though it gets them right up to the cusp. i really wish they'd been able to work things out with Harden instead of trading him.

GSW would beat them in 5 i think.

GSW will run SAS in 6. Between SAS and OKC H2H I think GSW is better but vs the Warriors I like the Spurs lineup, scheme and experience more to give GSW a better push.

any of the 3 would give the Cavs the pipe so it's all good :success
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors are unbeatable. Curry GOAT Status confirmed)
Post by: El Babua on February 28, 2016, 07:03:32 PM
Curry is crazy.

Silver might have to adopt some "Curry Rules" if shit gets too out of hand for the rest of the league.  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors are unbeatable. Curry GOAT Status confirmed)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 28, 2016, 07:28:31 PM
I can't see OKC beating GS unless they sign Derek Fisher to a ten day contract.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors are unbeatable. Curry GOAT Status confirmed)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 28, 2016, 11:16:49 PM
Bow to the Warriors for the next four years.  No one else is winning shit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors are unbeatable. Curry GOAT Status confirmed)
Post by: Syph on February 28, 2016, 11:49:11 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 28, 2016, 07:28:31 PM
I can't see OKC beating GS unless they sign Derek Fisher to a ten day contract.
GS would just make a move for Matt Barnes
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on February 29, 2016, 01:01:42 AM
^No contract needed, they could just pay for his airfare. Hell, they might even save a few bucks having him fly into Sacramento since he's open to commuting
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 29, 2016, 04:55:11 AM
Short piece on some other guy who's also become a superstar: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14763202/how-biometrics-turned-kawhi-leonard-star
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 29, 2016, 01:01:14 PM
It's hard to see anybody beating the warriors but sports history tells us anything can happen I suppose.

The Spurs are interesting in that they are a different version of the recent spurs. They still pass the ball well and have great defense.

But with Aldride their offense takes far less 3's than in recent history.

They are 25th in 3 pointers attempted per game. Which bucks the recent trends in basketball.



Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 29, 2016, 01:16:26 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 29, 2016, 01:01:14 PM
It's hard to see anybody beating the warriors but sports history tells us anything can happen I suppose.

The Spurs are interesting in that they are a different version of the recent spurs. They still pass the ball well and have great defense.

But with Aldride their offense takes far less 3's than in recent history.

They are 25th in 3 pointers attempted per game. Which bucks the recent trends in basketball.

I can't even see the Spurs getting it done, Leonard can only guard one guy at a time unfortunately.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 29, 2016, 04:39:09 PM
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Diamond LeungVerified account
‏@diamond83
Reportedly Kerr showed film of Draymond mistake, Green got angry, told to sit down, told Kerr "MFer come & make me."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqZFoJ9wNYo
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 01, 2016, 01:37:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwBYFNZETF0
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Brehvolution on March 01, 2016, 02:49:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGjN-TjUEQA
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 02:54:57 PM
They spliced in the audio from this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK7lIjFsGvg
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2016, 09:53:20 PM
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Tom Haberstroh
ESPN Staff Writer

Nick Young just did push-ups because he dared a courtside fan to hit a shot from the stands. The fan made it.

(http://d2s3dt9f4iyeup.cloudfront.net/images/standard_v1/b12c7196-43f2-4e99-9074-8eafbeefa863.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2016, 09:55:40 PM
https://vine.co/v/igXE9FXtuTE

 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2016, 10:33:57 PM
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Jeff Green snags an extra $250,000 if his team wins at least 54 games. The Grizz weren't going to sniff that number, but Green's new team in the Clippers is on pace for exactly 54 wins -- and already stands far above the tax line. Having Green's bonus kick in would cost the Clips an extra $625,000 on top of Green's check, and the damage gets worse if L.A. ratchets up to 56 wins ($450,000 bonus) or even 58 ($700,000).
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 02, 2016, 03:23:57 PM
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Baron Davis, a former NBA All-Star, has signed with the Philadelphia 76ers' D-League affiliate (Delaware), sources tell The Vertical

Is Baron broke or something?

For what its worth I loved him as a player but it would make a lot more sense to go play overseas if he still wants to keep playing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 02, 2016, 05:50:38 PM
I think he was saying earlier this season he wanted to get in shape and showcase that to try and latch onto an invite next year or hopefully a playoff team this year.

If it fails he might go overseas.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 02, 2016, 06:37:32 PM
https://twitter.com/cjzero/status/705162042647420932
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 02, 2016, 09:37:41 PM
this thunder owner death is crazy to follow
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 03, 2016, 02:27:39 AM
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Fresh off being named MVP of the Chinese Basketball Association, Michael Beasley is headed to the Houston Rockets, according to league sources.

Sources told ESPN.com that Beasley and the Rockets have agreed to a contract for the rest of the season at the league minimum, with Houston possessing a team option for next season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 04, 2016, 01:39:08 AM
Warriors handle Thunder again tonight.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on March 04, 2016, 01:56:57 AM
Only games GS has left in the season that I won't favor them would be the two left in SA. And it's more than likely Pop's gonna throw the last one anyway.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Fifstar on March 04, 2016, 03:37:26 AM
Thunder are often handled as a nightmare match up for the Warriors and they now lost 4 of the last 5 games against them..
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors are unbeatable. Curry GOAT Status confirmed)
Post by: Steve Contra on March 04, 2016, 01:52:30 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 28, 2016, 02:38:37 PM
Best part is the OKC bench doesn't look surprised at all.  Kanter had started shrugging in defeat while the ball was still in the air.

Crazy thing is the Spurs could still beat them, cause they're both all-world teams.  The league is super top-heavy this year.
Oh god I wish Etiolate was here now.  I want to see him spin the top teams.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2016, 10:46:35 PM
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According to a report from Marc Stein of ESPN.com, veteran shooting guard Kevin Martin has agreed to join the San Antonio Spurs for the remainder of the 2015-16 season.
rich get richer
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 05, 2016, 03:43:03 AM
Quote from: Fifstar on March 04, 2016, 03:37:26 AM
Thunder are often handled as a nightmare match up for the Warriors and they now lost 4 of the last 5 games against them..

Yeah, I never got the early love for the Thunder. They are just as flawed as the Cavs. Both offenses become very predictable and stagnant down the stretch which becomes a problem against the Warriors or the Spurs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 07, 2016, 07:40:36 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14917439/shocking-loss-latest-test-record-chasing-golden-state-warriors
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Lost in Lakerland: How do Warriors respond after historic upset?

Even the seemingly unstoppable Warriors are prone to lapses. But now, with the pursuit of 73 wins hitting a speed bump and San Antonio closing in, nothing seems like a given for Golden State.
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LOS ANGELES -- Sunday served as a reminder that there's a thin line between wondrous and perilous for the now 55-6 Golden State Warriors.

Even though their unexpected 112-95 loss to the Los Angeles Lakers left them still on track to surpass the Chicago Bulls' 72-win season of 1995-96, it left them only 2.5 games ahead of the San Antonio Spurs in the pursuit of the NBA's best record and home-court advantage throughout the playoffs this season.

Steve Kerr maintains the No. 1 seed is all that matters, that it's pointless to speculate about winning 73 until it's actually within reach. But the 73 talk is out there, awaiting the Warriors everywhere they go -- to the detriment of the team's focus, some in the Warriors organization believe. Yet it's also possible that the goals are one and the same, that securing the top seed could necessitate winning 73 games. That's how good the Spurs and their .855 winning percentage have been this season, with about 1/90th the buzz of the Warriors' season.

Kerr says he believes any lamenting over missing a chance at history would quickly be erased by refocusing on the task at hand of winning a championship. What about missing out on not only the best team of all time but the best team of 2015-16? That would be, as Kerr said, "anti-climactic." And falling behind the Spurs in the standings would probably mean carrying the additional mental weight of losing at least two of their remaining three games against San Antonio.
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"The big thing is how we respond [after the loss]."

Not just big, but necessary, for their shot at history and their quest for the No. 1 seed. The teams in the third and fourth Western Conference spots, the Oklahoma City Thunder and Los Angeles Clippers, spent last week saying that seeds didn't matter and only health and momentum going into the playoffs were important. That could be why they're the third and fourth seeds.

The Warriors believe things like the No. 1 seed are important, and have spent much of the season acting in that manner. The response to their previous loss, a road pounding to the Portland Trail Blazers coming out of the All-Star break, was to win the next five games on their trip, culminating in that memorable overtime victory in Oklahoma City. Their response to the loss before that, against the Detroit Pistons, was to beat the Cleveland Cavaliers, Chicago Bulls, Indiana Pacers and Spurs by a combined 107 points over the next four games.

"We'll be all right," Curry said after Golden State's defeat.

It sounded more like belief in what his team can do than denial about the way his team had just played. If the Warriors want everything they've openly sought, they'll need to be more than all right.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 08, 2016, 01:34:14 PM
Watched the Cavs get beat by the Grizz last night.

Lue is 14-7 since taking over the Cavs. As expected they look functionally the same under him as under Blatt. They still have the same weakness. There was a lot of talk of playing Love at the Elbow and in the post but to my eyes it looks almost exactly the same as under Blatt.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 08, 2016, 02:47:49 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 08, 2016, 01:34:14 PM
Watched the Cavs get beat by the Grizz last night.

Lue is 14-7 since taking over the Cavs. As expected they look functionally the same under him as under Blatt. They still have the same weakness. There was a lot of talk of playing Love at the Elbow and in the post but to my eyes it looks almost exactly the same as under Blatt.

The issue is Kyrie and Lebron. Don't be surprised if he's traded after the season if we don't win a championship.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 08, 2016, 11:21:20 PM
I don't think Kyrie Irving is the problem. If I was going to dish blame on anybody it would be Love. But I honestly don't think he is the problem either. The problem is the offense is vanilla as fuck. And that's not one guy's problem.

The offense still isn't as dynamic as the Miami offense and that Miami offense compared to the Spurs offense of years ago was way short. When the 4th quarter hits, every defense knows what every individual play is going to be with them. It's normally just whether Lebron is good enough to win it on particular nights.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 09, 2016, 12:23:52 AM
It seems so weird to me that they went all in on Love and still don't really know what to do with him except when they play that one weird lineup where nobody seems to be at their "proper" position and he's nominally the center.

And I think that has more to do with the fact that their offense isn't really designed to play with a center clogging the lane, and he doesn't play like one, instead drifting outside.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 09, 2016, 03:16:16 PM
I wouldn't read too much into the Cavs performance in the regular season. When their backs are against the wall in the playoffs, Lebron will be the primary ball handler (relegating Kyrie to a shooting guard/slasher) and the offense will click in place. You just can't put that kind of load on Lebron during the regular season.

 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 09, 2016, 03:31:06 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 09, 2016, 03:16:16 PM
I wouldn't read too much into the Cavs performance in the regular season. When their backs are against the wall in the playoffs, Lebron will be the primary ball handler (relegating Kyrie to a shooting guard/slasher) and the offense will click in place. You just can't put that kind of load on Lebron during the regular season.

I agree that they will most likely easily reach the finals again. Because they have the most talent and when the playoffs roll around Lebron, Kyrie, and Love will all be playing heavy minutes with little worry about burning them out.

The issue is more that since they aren't playing "right" they will run into the same Warriors/Spurs buzzsaw when they reach the finals. It would be easy to feel better about them if they had the same record and were moving the ball around and such. But statistically Love is still playing pretty average for a superstar. And the offense still is what it is.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 10, 2016, 02:32:53 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2016/03/10/lebron-james-stephen-curry-criticism/81571382/

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“Yeah, for me personally in my career I’ve done nothing but big-up the guys who paved the way for us,” James told USA TODAY Sports. “I’m respectful to all the guys who paved the way, the greats, guys who were role players, guys who were part of a championship team or was not. I’ve always been respectful, so it does kind of suck when you’ve got guys who played before us and paved the way for us (and) …they like to talk down on a lot of our players, saying, ‘Well if they played in our era it wouldn’t be the same.’”

James, who is widely known to have the memory of an elephant, instantly recalled a time in 2013 when he was the subject of such silliness.

“I heard Dennis Rodman say if I played in their era I’d just be an average player – yeah, about me, that I’d be just an average player,” James said. “And they say the same things about Steph, ‘If Steph played in our era, then we’d be more physical with him and we’d go at him.’ And it sucks because we’re just trying to carry the torch for the next group to come behind us.

 :mynicca
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 10, 2016, 11:34:16 PM
Watching Lakers versus Cavs. Couple of observations.

Channing frye is more aggressive on offense and just letting it go than Kevin Love is.

Julius Randle is gonna be something special in 2 or 3 years.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 16, 2016, 09:36:15 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14929620/kwame-brown-decided-go-pro

Nice read.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2016, 02:05:03 PM
Had read the basics of that Kwame story before in a piece. But will have to check out that book anyway. One of the more interesting things to me about the high school "boom" period was that the last two drafts with them produced way more career players than clear busts. (2004: Dwight Howard, Shaun Livingston, Al Jefferson, Josh Smith, J.R. Smith, Dorell Wright and 2005: Martell Webster, Andrew Bynum, Gerald Green, C.J. Miles, Monta Ellis, Louis Williams, Andray Blatche, Amir Johnson vs. Robert Swift and Sebastian Telfair)

Favorite part of that article though is the opening:
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In 1995, the Washington Bullets had the opportunity to select Kevin Garnett with the fourth overall pick in the NBA draft. They bypassed the stringy teenager, largely because the team's owner, Abe Pollin, did not want to draft a high school player out of principle.
Instead they drafted a 20 year old Sheed. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Fifstar on March 17, 2016, 04:37:57 AM
How did Leonard become such a good 3 point Shooter?

He averaged 37% for his first 4 seasons and now he is suddenly shooting 46%? And he takes a decent volume as well. What kind of 3's does he take, mostly spot up or creatings shots for himself? The improvement is insane in each case though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 18, 2016, 02:34:42 AM
Quote from: Fifstar on March 17, 2016, 04:37:57 AM
How did Leonard become such a good 3 point Shooter?

He averaged 37% for his first 4 seasons and now he is suddenly shooting 46%? And he takes a decent volume as well. What kind of 3's does he take, mostly spot up or creatings shots for himself? The improvement is insane in each case though.
The addition of veteran leadership, specifically David West, has taken Leonard's game to the next level.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 18, 2016, 02:53:42 AM
Tim Duncan showing off that all-time defense:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79D9t0p-b_g
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 18, 2016, 04:22:30 PM
Saturday night. Warriors versus Spurs. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 19, 2016, 09:31:16 PM
Very defensive game so far. But you have to be impressed with how the spurs are handling the warriors at the moment. So active on defense. Smart switching on D.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 19, 2016, 09:31:50 PM
dat dunk
:lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 19, 2016, 09:39:47 PM
As well as the Spurs have shut down the Warriors. Only up by 6.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 19, 2016, 10:54:30 PM
Spurs gonna take it. These teams still have to play each other two more times down the stretch although I'm pretty sure they'll be in resting mode by that point.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 20, 2016, 08:22:50 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15026564/new-orleans-pelicans-shut-anthony-davis-rest-season


http://gfycat.com/QuarterlyCloudyIguanodon

 :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 23, 2016, 08:11:40 AM
http://www.si.com/nba/2016/03/21/craig-sager-leukemia-update-not-in-remission

Unfortunate. I was never especially a fan of sager's reporting but he seems like a decent human being and that's gotta be tough for anyone.


On an unrelated sidenote Russell Westbrook has 15 triple doubles this season which would be the most in a year since the 1989 season when Olajuwon had 17 and Stockton had 15.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 23, 2016, 08:45:06 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 23, 2016, 08:11:40 AM
http://www.si.com/nba/2016/03/21/craig-sager-leukemia-update-not-in-remission

Unfortunate. I was never especially a fan of sager's reporting but he seems like a decent human being and that's gotta be tough for anyone.


On an unrelated sidenote Russell Westbrook has 15 triple doubles this season which would be the most in a year since the 1989 season when Olajuwon had 17 and Stockton had 15.

Sager and Pop's interactions were some of the best things in basketball.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 23, 2016, 08:45:42 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 23, 2016, 08:11:40 AM
http://www.si.com/nba/2016/03/21/craig-sager-leukemia-update-not-in-remission

Unfortunate. I was never especially a fan of sager's reporting but he seems like a decent human being and that's gotta be tough for anyone.


On an unrelated sidenote Russell Westbrook has 15 triple doubles this season which would be the most in a year since the 1989 season when Olajuwon had 17 and Stockton had 15.

Westbrook is such a hollow player. Stats are great, but they won't win shit.....just like his BFF Harden.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 23, 2016, 08:48:29 AM
The vast majority of great players in any team sport won't win rings or titles or championships. It is what it is. A team wins. Some players are in that situation and some aren't. Nothing exists in a vacuum of discussion. But I've never been a believer in the only thing that matters is rings mentality.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 23, 2016, 08:50:12 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 23, 2016, 08:48:29 AM
The vast majority of great players in any team sport won't win rings or titles or championships. It is what it is. A team wins. Some players are in that situation and some aren't. Nothing exists in a vacuum of discussion. But I've never been a believer in the only thing that matters is rings mentality.

So the entire goal of the fucking sport isn't important to you? No wonder you're a libertarian.

You're on of those idiotic Marino was better than Brady stans, aren't you?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 23, 2016, 08:51:02 AM
I don't really understand that post in whatever its meant to convey but just to end the conversation, I'll say sure.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 23, 2016, 08:52:28 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 23, 2016, 08:51:02 AM
I don't really understand that post in whatever its meant to convey but just to end the conversation, I'll say sure.

The sport is played to win.

If player A is a "superstar" and does not win shit (See Wilkens, Dominique) he will never be remembered as fondly as player B's (See Pippen, Scottie or McHale, Kevin) who were second bananas on title teams.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 23, 2016, 08:55:09 AM
I'm the dumbass forum affirmative action libertarian quota with heterodox basketball views you goof, not Stoney.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 23, 2016, 08:56:52 AM
Who is remembered "fondly" has nothing to do with actually analyzing anything on a significant level. You are entitled of course to believe that is the only factor. It's not the sole determination or evaluation of what made a player great, or unique, or culturally relevant or whatever. But that is what discussion is about. I disagree with you. Often. I'm sure same goes the other way. We are free to do that without it turning into a "winner" conversation.

You view these discussions as battles with winners and losers. I don't. The discussion is the interesting part to me.

Stats by themselves (especially traditional stats) are not the sole way to evaluate a player. I would never say that. But neither are rings. These are just pieces of evidence to have a nice discussion on.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 23, 2016, 04:10:03 PM
If we're talking about Westbrook's triple doubles and "empty stats" it's worth noting that OKC is 15-0 in games where he has a triple double (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=westbru01&match=game&year_min=2016&year_max=2016&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=N&round_id=&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_day=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_G=&pos_is_GF=&pos_is_F=&pos_is_FG=&pos_is_FC=&pos_is_C=&pos_is_CF=&c1stat=trb&c1comp=gt&c1val=10&c2stat=ast&c2comp=gt&c2val=10&c3stat=pts&c3comp=gt&c3val=10&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pts) this year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 24, 2016, 03:01:26 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15058773/nba-russell-westbrook-triple-doubles-come-hard-work-boards

Lebron had a nice reverse dunk last night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPD-6ILwpKs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBbDv4rNXBs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 25, 2016, 02:09:52 PM
Another silly loss from the Cavs last night to a crap team. Hard to tell sometimes if it's legit worrying or if its just a team coasting waiting for the playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 29, 2016, 12:43:41 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15087119/the-cavaliers-trying-figure-are

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In practice, the LeBron-Love collaboration has been stilted -- a twist that explains a lot of why the Cavs are so hard to pin down, even when standing as huge favorites to make a repeat Finals appearance. Sleuthing for the origin of the disconnect takes you down lots of dark corridors, but that pick-and-roll partnership is a good place to start. It never really took off, mostly because defenses just switch.

"It sounded good to a lot of people," Jim Boylan, a Cavs assistant, told ESPN.com, "but it's something we haven't been able to take advantage of. It's easy for teams to scheme against. They switch and we're stuck with an isolation."

"It hasn't produced the sort of pick-and-pops that you would think," Tyronn Lue, Cleveland's head coach, told ESPN.com, "because teams switch it."


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The Warriors' three stars lift the team, and themselves, to higher places. Cleveland's stars are stuck battling between how they used to play and how they should play, now that they are together. "There is only one ball," Lue said, "and all three of LeBron, Kevin and Kyrie [Irving] need the ball in their hands. It is tough at times. It causes us to get stagnant."


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Opponents have hit 64 percent of their shots in the restricted area since Lue took over, the fifth-worst mark in the league and a massive drop-off from Cleveland's stingy mark under Blatt, per NBA.com.


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In the half court, the fundamental truth about the Cavs becomes clear: They have flanked LeBron with two offense-only guys who need the ball to maximize their value, but they won't get it enough to do that as long as they are flanking LeBron. Both look the part of perfect second bananas. Irving can run the show if LeBron needs a breather and zip into the defense after LeBron kicks him the ball.


As usual a Lowe article worth reading.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Rman on March 29, 2016, 12:48:43 PM
The Blatt firing looking sillier than ever.

LeGM has no idea what he's doing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 29, 2016, 01:20:47 PM
Quote from: Rman on March 29, 2016, 12:48:43 PM
The Blatt firing looking sillier than ever.

LeGM has no idea what he's doing.

Pretty much.  Lebron needs someone like Riley so he can focus purely on balling.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 29, 2016, 04:23:36 PM
He needs Derek Fisher.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 29, 2016, 05:02:53 PM
http://www.si.com/nba/2016/03/29/chris-paul-team-usa-2016-rio-olympics-roster-clippers
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 30, 2016, 02:44:47 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15095276/dangelo-russell-center-los-angeles-lakers-rift-video-took-nick-young-made-public


 :mindblown
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 30, 2016, 10:14:17 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15100584/dangelo-russell-los-angeles-lakers-apologizes-recording-nick-young-conversation
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Video-Gate)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 31, 2016, 10:41:46 AM
You can argue the morals of Nick until you turn blue but I assure you if somebody did that shit in an NFL locker room they would get torn apart physically. I'm not sure he's ever going to have NBA "friends" ever again. It was a childish thing to do and he is a child....but man you gotta know when you get past trading a hoe's phone number for another (and yeah that happens) and start attacking his relationship with his fiancé you fucked up.

Also swaggy is going to get traded, book it.

Damn shame because he's going to have a good, but lonely, career.


And yes I know Kobe did the same thing to shaq, but he ain't Kobe. He wants friends and Kobe never cared.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Video-Gate)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 31, 2016, 11:05:44 AM
Kobe also did that before social media, plus the bigger story was the rape so it got overshadowed. There is nothing to distract from D'Informant Russel's fuckery here. Obviously Nick Young is trash for cheating on his fiancé. But Russell had no right to record a personal conversation and air it out publicly. Like I can't even fathom his reasoning for this. It doesn't make sense on any level. Based on what I've read his maturity has been questioned multiple times this season but my god, even 14 year olds know better than this.

I've snitched on a friend before, although it was a special/drastic circumstance. This is different, there is no excuse.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Video-Gate)
Post by: Brehvolution on March 31, 2016, 11:12:35 AM
Maybe he's just trying to save Nick from marrying some trash rapper?  :yeshrug
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Video-Gate)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 31, 2016, 11:37:26 AM
Nick Young is Kendrick Lamar's cousin btw. A marriage would mean the greatest rapper of our time is related to the worst rapper of our time.  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Video-Gate)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 31, 2016, 07:07:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHMh0H546lY
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Video-Gate)
Post by: T234 on March 31, 2016, 10:00:49 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 31, 2016, 10:41:46 AM
You can argue the morals of Nick until you turn blue but I assure you if somebody did that shit in an NFL locker room they would get torn apart physically. I'm not sure he's ever going to have NBA "friends" ever again. It was a childish thing to do and he is a child....but man you gotta know when you get past trading a hoe's phone number for another (and yeah that happens) and start attacking his relationship with his fiancé you fucked up.

Also swaggy is going to get traded, book it.

Damn shame because he's going to have a good, but lonely, career.


And yes I know Kobe did the same thing to shaq, but he ain't Kobe. He wants friends and Kobe never cared.

Yeah, you make tapes on a coworker at my job, they send a man who has killed more men than malaria to deal with you.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Video-Gate)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 01, 2016, 02:01:39 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/03/magazine/what-happened-when-venture-capitalists-took-over-the-golden-state-warriors.html?_r=0
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Video-Gate)
Post by: Mandark on April 01, 2016, 04:44:46 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 01, 2016, 02:01:39 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/03/magazine/what-happened-when-venture-capitalists-took-over-the-golden-state-warriors.html?_r=0

Team owner trying to grab as much credit as he can away from Steph Curry for turning the franchise around.  :beli
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Video-Gate)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 01, 2016, 05:44:10 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15062110/warriors-discovered-cheat-code-basketball-nba-finals

Lots of Warriors articles today.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Video-Gate)
Post by: benjipwns on April 01, 2016, 06:08:59 PM
Most of Lacob's best actions were being not-Cohan probably. Not running a dysfunctional front office helps NBA teams quite a bit from what I can tell.

Credit for being willing to run with how the team has evolved, ditching Jackson despite having improved the team, shelling out for Iguodala/Green/etc. and so on. Not caring too much about the tax.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Video-Gate)
Post by: Mandark on April 01, 2016, 06:25:22 PM
From all accounts, ownership and management seem to be doing a fine job there.

But dude's giving out quotes like "We’re light-years ahead of probably every other team in structure, in planning, in how we’re going to go about things."  You got the league MVP making the 65th highest salary in the league, and your team gets outscored when he's not on the floor.  Let's have some perspective.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Video-Gate)
Post by: benjipwns on April 01, 2016, 06:32:17 PM
Getting the league MVP at 65th highest salary sounds like a light-years ahead move to me.

Maybe Cleveland and Oklahoma City should do that instead of getting non-leadership who lets players chase meaningless individual stats over wins.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Video-Gate)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 02, 2016, 01:05:55 AM
lol. Had to happen after all the articles today. Celts beat Warriors at Home. Snaps 54 game home win streak for the Warriors.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lacob Swag)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 02, 2016, 01:14:28 AM
Barnes should have passed to Curry lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lacob Swag)
Post by: El Babua on April 02, 2016, 04:16:23 AM
Celtics and Pistons are gonna be scary af in a season or two.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lacob Swag)
Post by: Brehvolution on April 04, 2016, 03:30:33 PM
http://deadspin.com/steph-curry-is-some-kind-of-jedi-or-wizard-or-some-shit-1768872906

 :whoo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lacob Swag)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 04, 2016, 03:48:11 PM
Quote from: El Babua on April 02, 2016, 04:16:23 AM
Celtics and Pistons are gonna be scary af in a season or two.

When their PG learns Andre Drummond is the primary option the Pistons are going to be real dangerous.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lacob Swag)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 05, 2016, 12:12:33 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/lottery2016/mockdraft

I love this idea but literally they couldn't have been any more lazy in the application. For instance, why the fuck would the lakers take a point guard?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lacob Swag)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 05, 2016, 12:31:54 PM
yea Lakers are just gonna trade D'Informant for Kyrie Irving anyway  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lacob Swag)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 05, 2016, 12:38:25 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 05, 2016, 12:31:54 PM
yea Lakers are just gonna trade D'Informant for Kyrie Irving anyway  :doge

Lebron keeps his shit on lock, Russel has a better chance of getting picked up by the mafia than the familia Lebron.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lacob Swag)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 05, 2016, 12:40:05 PM
What about when LeBron was trying to smash that Olympics chick in the open  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lacob Swag)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 05, 2016, 12:40:38 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 05, 2016, 12:40:05 PM
What about when LeBron was trying to smash that Olympics chick in the open  :doge

I was talking about Beyonce


http://www.complex.com/sports/2016/03/jeff-adrien-claims-lebron-james-trying-to-steal-beyonce-from-jay-z-on-twitter

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lacob Swag)
Post by: benjipwns on April 05, 2016, 09:28:59 PM
Quote
Kurt Rambis on the Knicks' triangle offense: "We're not running it anywhere near as well as we'd like to be running it."
okay yes
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lacob Swag)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 06, 2016, 01:07:50 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL3qJc1-SiE
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 06, 2016, 01:21:20 AM
Looks like Warriors gonna lose another in OT at home. To the T-Wolves.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 06, 2016, 02:00:03 AM
Quote
The New York Knicks are giving strong consideration to making Kurt Rambis their full-time head coach, according to league sources.

Sources told ESPN.com that Rambis, who has served as the Knicks' interim coach since Derek Fisher was fired Feb. 8, is the preferred choice of team president ‎Phil Jackson, who sources say is pushing for a new multiyear deal for Rambis
:doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 06, 2016, 08:16:10 PM
Quote
ESPN sources say Sam Hinkie has stepped down from his posts in Philadelphia
.

He was on a Zache Lowe podcast just yesterday. 

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 07, 2016, 10:59:24 AM
http://espn.go.com/pdf/2016/0406/nba_hinkie_redact.pdf


 :goty2
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 10, 2016, 09:18:30 PM
Warriors beat the Spurs again. Break their home streak. Tie the bulls record.

 :lawd

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 11, 2016, 04:50:33 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y-jrfIE_DQ
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 11, 2016, 11:48:05 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfuXwOdUsAEGzVs.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 11, 2016, 12:24:22 PM
haha!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 11, 2016, 03:59:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Hi0skAwlHM

I like that the Warriors get to set the single season mark against Kobe.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 11, 2016, 10:01:04 PM
Warriors play Memphis breh, LAL gets Utah at the same time on ESPN2
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 12, 2016, 12:35:41 AM
Shit I misread the schedule.

 :snoop
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 12, 2016, 03:37:04 AM
Who are you gonna nut ride when Kobe's gone?


D'Angelo Russell


 :mynicca
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge)
Post by: benjipwns on April 12, 2016, 04:02:54 AM
I've seen so many 2016 WARRIORS VS 1996 BULLS stories/threads/conversations this last week. Oddly few of them have touched on any of three things that I would find interesting to watch in the matchup.

1. The Bulls could play Rodman at center for most of the game, something that hurt them (and drained him) at times in the 1990's but arguably let them put their best lineups on the floor. Even when Bogut's out there. Along with Kukoc taking stints at "power forward" against Harrison Barnes it actually makes the '96 Bulls matchup better with the Warriors than a lot of historical teams. But...

2. It also bites them on the other end. Their Harper-Jordan-Pippen ability to switch on the perimeter ground teams into dust, but which one are you sacrificing against Curry? You can't let Jordan burn himself out trying to do it like he nearly did against Payton in the Finals. I'm not sure Harper's up to it. Or that you want to take Pippen's centrality to the Bulls defense out of the equation.

3. Regarding the rules, if they're the 2016 ones, the Bulls basically have little three point shooting, and play most of the game with two scorers. If they're the 1996 ones, the Warriors can now shoot threes from two feet closer. And somebody still has to literally chase Curry around the outside, even with the handchecking advantage. And the rest of the Bulls have to keep up with the Warriors picks and cuts.

Not checked for sure, but I imagine a potential Clips-Spurs-Cavs murderers row is a tougher one than the second set of Bulls had to run in any single playoff run. I remember a lot of benchless Atlanta and Miami teams getting beat up.

Also, if the Warriors win 73, they'll need to go 64-18 next year to snag the three year win record away from the 1996-98 Bulls.

EDIT: Forgot the fourth thing.

4. jordon's foolishness
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge)
Post by: benjipwns on April 12, 2016, 04:04:32 AM
ESPN is upset that 2K's perfect simulation says Warriors would win in six games: http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:15186969
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 13, 2016, 10:21:16 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4Xl4_udfOQ
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 13, 2016, 10:22:11 AM
Never did like that 10 cent Jordan.  :cmonson
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 13, 2016, 10:23:05 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on April 12, 2016, 04:02:54 AM
I've seen so many 2016 WARRIORS VS 1996 BULLS stories/threads/conversations this last week. Oddly few of them have touched on any of three things that I would find interesting to watch in the matchup.

1. The Bulls could play Rodman at center for most of the game, something that hurt them (and drained him) at times in the 1990's but arguably let them put their best lineups on the floor. Even when Bogut's out there. Along with Kukoc taking stints at "power forward" against Harrison Barnes it actually makes the '96 Bulls matchup better with the Warriors than a lot of historical teams. But...

2. It also bites them on the other end. Their Harper-Jordan-Pippen ability to switch on the perimeter ground teams into dust, but which one are you sacrificing against Curry? You can't let Jordan burn himself out trying to do it like he nearly did against Payton in the Finals. I'm not sure Harper's up to it. Or that you want to take Pippen's centrality to the Bulls defense out of the equation.

3. Regarding the rules, if they're the 2016 ones, the Bulls basically have little three point shooting, and play most of the game with two scorers. If they're the 1996 ones, the Warriors can now shoot threes from two feet closer. And somebody still has to literally chase Curry around the outside, even with the handchecking advantage. And the rest of the Bulls have to keep up with the Warriors picks and cuts.

Not checked for sure, but I imagine a potential Clips-Spurs-Cavs murderers row is a tougher one than the second set of Bulls had to run in any single playoff run. I remember a lot of benchless Atlanta and Miami teams getting beat up.

Also, if the Warriors win 73, they'll need to go 64-18 next year to snag the three year win record away from the 1996-98 Bulls.

EDIT: Forgot the fourth thing.

4. jordon's foolishness


Such a tricky thing.

Old NBA rules: Bulls win in 5

New NBA Rules: Warriors win in 6


:yeshrug
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge)
Post by: Steve Contra on April 13, 2016, 12:56:10 PM
If you dropped the warriors in directly against the 96 without letting the bulls adjust the bulls get fucking crushed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 13, 2016, 01:11:36 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on April 13, 2016, 12:56:10 PM
If you dropped the warriors in directly against the 96 without letting the bulls adjust the bulls get fucking crushed.

Absolutely incorrect. Harder fouls, hand checks, no zone defense.

Who's guarding Jordan?

Who's guarding Pippen?

Pippen or Jordan would out score curry in a direct match up.


I triple fucking dare you to say Curry puts up more points that Jordan.

To the bushes with your homer shit :ufup

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge)
Post by: Steve Contra on April 13, 2016, 02:38:40 PM
Bulls would have no answer for a three point oriented team, especially with a closer line.  This isn't to say that the bulls are worse team, it's just to say that it's a stupid exercise.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 13, 2016, 02:48:20 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on April 13, 2016, 02:38:40 PM
it's just to say that it's a stupid exercise.

more my take. It's just a useless comparison for me. Once you go 15 or 20 years the game has changed so much that the comparisons are pointless.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge)
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 13, 2016, 03:08:54 PM
Bulls would win 402–0, but Jordan would be held to under 200 points.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 13, 2016, 05:01:49 PM
So...

Warriors game tonight?  Or Kobe's last game?

I think I'll watch Kobe's last game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge)
Post by: Steve Contra on April 13, 2016, 05:26:57 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 13, 2016, 05:01:49 PM
So...

Warriors game tonight?  Or Kobe's last game?

I think I'll watch Kobe's last game.
It's a must win for the Jazz plus the Lakers really are going to want to win, so yeah probably smart choice.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 13, 2016, 09:07:23 PM
Oh weird they agree with me.


http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15197404/golden-state-warriors-vs-1995-96-chicago-bulls-espn-forecast-panel-nba
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge)
Post by: benjipwns on April 13, 2016, 09:23:29 PM
Do you even read the things you link?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
He asked rhetorically.
[close]
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 13, 2016, 10:28:26 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 13, 2016, 05:01:49 PM
So...

Warriors game tonight?  Or Kobe's last game?

I think I'll watch Kobe's last game.
Houston just won, clinching the 8th spot in the West, and the Lakers are still the Lakers

I'd rather watch the Warriors make history
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge)
Post by: benjipwns on April 13, 2016, 10:29:25 PM
LeBron who? Jordan McRae with 35/4/7 on 14/29 shooting.

JOEL ANTHONY WITH EIGHT BLOCKS
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge)
Post by: eleuin on April 13, 2016, 11:20:56 PM
Kobe with already 13 fga in the 1st quarter  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 13, 2016, 11:30:05 PM
Quote from: eleuin on April 13, 2016, 11:20:56 PM
Kobe with already 13 fga in the 1st quarter  :lol

Good on him. Go out like a boss.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 13, 2016, 11:34:05 PM
Shoot like crazy, I ain't mad
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 13, 2016, 11:53:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk_j4drvDNw
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge)
Post by: Your Stalker on April 14, 2016, 12:55:04 AM
Our god truly is great.  :'(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY9HjNWbJvA
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge)
Post by: eleuin on April 14, 2016, 12:57:47 AM
I'd rather not have my god be a rapist, thanks
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge)
Post by: Your Stalker on April 14, 2016, 01:00:53 AM
*alleged rapist
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors 73-9 - Kobe scores 60 in final game)
Post by: El Babua on April 14, 2016, 01:26:13 AM
Fuckin' Heat, clinch the 3rd seed in the worst possible way.

Grats Warriors.

Kobe :tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors 73-9 - Kobe scores 60 in final game)
Post by: benjipwns on April 14, 2016, 02:41:15 AM
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/720484935086305281
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors 73-9 - Kobe scores 60 in final game)
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on April 14, 2016, 03:10:24 AM
Don't really watch B-Ball but that's an impressive last game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors 73-9 - Kobe scores 60 in final game)
Post by: benjipwns on April 14, 2016, 03:13:33 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/BPjUs8J.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors 73-9 - Kobe scores 60 in final game)
Post by: Beezy on April 14, 2016, 01:29:59 PM
Fell asleep at about 11:15 EST, missed both games. Smh, ah well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors 73-9 - Kobe scores 60 in final game)
Post by: naff on April 14, 2016, 08:29:20 PM
Watched both at a bar playing them side by side, so many feels (I didn't pay much attention to Laker game til the final quarter of the final quarter) :respect
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors 73-9 - Kobe scores 60 in final game)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 15, 2016, 06:56:25 AM
http://www.complex.com/sports/2016/04/woman-who-accused-zach-randolph-of-assault-made-it-up

 :kobeyuck


Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 15, 2016, 05:08:22 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/fox-sports-jason-whitlock-rips-kobe-bryant-most-143211679.html (https://www.yahoo.com/tv/fox-sports-jason-whitlock-rips-kobe-bryant-most-143211679.html)

whitlock proving to be a cunt again
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 15, 2016, 07:28:41 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 15, 2016, 05:08:22 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/fox-sports-jason-whitlock-rips-kobe-bryant-most-143211679.html (https://www.yahoo.com/tv/fox-sports-jason-whitlock-rips-kobe-bryant-most-143211679.html)

whitlock proving to be a cunt again

I'm by no means a Bean guy. I've met him, and he's exactly what you think he is. But that said, fuck this paper pusher trying to catch a last minute rep of his name. Disgraceful.

Edit: how in the fuck is a guy with 5 goddamn rings a fraudulent superstar? :umad
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2016, 08:16:07 PM
this fuckery gonna make me defend Jason Whitlock...

no, fuck it. never. No comment.
:beli
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on April 15, 2016, 08:50:41 PM
I mean his general sentiment isn't incorrect, but any point he's trying to make is completely overshadowed by his hysteria. Kobe 'destroyed a franchise'? That's hilariously stupid, even for Whitlock, unless Kobe secretly firebombed Little Ceasars out of business
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: Mandark on April 15, 2016, 08:55:09 PM
Remember when Whitlock was going to be the editor-in-chief of The Undefeated, with a bunch of employees working under him and the backing of ESPN, the biggest and strongest sports media brand?

Now his site (http://j.school/) is literally a tumblr blog with posts that hardly ever break 10 shares.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2016, 12:59:01 AM
Whitlock isn't wrong about Kobe being overrated and almost never being the best player in the league. Did Kobe harm the Lakers with contracts and stupid demands? Sure but ultimately the front office ruined the Lakers. Bad drafts, bad FA signings year after year. So as usually Whitlock is exaggerating.

Whitlock is one of the worst people in sports media and a template for one of the worst sports media tropes: the black guy who "tells it like it is" on race. Which actually means making broad generalizations about black people, catering to white resentment, and throwing in a bit of fax militant shit so people think you're down with the cause.

He's a perfect fit on Cowherd's show. Cowherd is just the type of resentful racist that sports media caters to.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 16, 2016, 01:28:11 AM
I was going to make a post but then I read Phoenix and he said all that needed to be said.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 16, 2016, 02:09:33 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on April 16, 2016, 01:41:12 AM
Kobe was never overrated you dickless fucks.

Edit: dude brings up the VORP argument. Lolz.

I made that post defending Kobe. That said, don't be an asshole he isn't even a top 10 player all time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on April 16, 2016, 02:12:04 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on April 16, 2016, 01:41:12 AM
Kobe was never overrated

yeah and lebron sucks, 
we get it zzzzzzzzzzzz
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 16, 2016, 02:19:55 AM
Current top 10 all time for AiA in my lifetime

1) MJ
2) Lebron
3) Magic
4) Bird
5) Kareem
6) Gary Payton
7) Hakeem
8) Pippen
9) Durant
10) Steph (goddamnit) arrow up
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 16, 2016, 02:26:36 AM
And I dare any of you cac fucks to tell me Payton isn't the most underrated player of all time. I will fight you.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on April 16, 2016, 02:28:41 AM
Kobe was always exceptional, and 'overrated' is a pretty subjective term. He had some amazing talent around him in his best years, and even after building the team around him as he got older the Lakers did way better than they had any right to. He definitely didn't carry them to five championships. AiA saying he's not top ten is distinguished mentally-challenged.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on April 16, 2016, 02:29:34 AM
durant lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 16, 2016, 02:30:00 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on April 16, 2016, 02:27:38 AM
Cool list, I agree with most and disagree with a few. Glove is underrated for sure.

Whitlock is really dumb on this subject though. The Nash trade and D'Antoni hiring had as much to do with the Lakers falling apart as the Kobe extension.

Bean might have cracked my top 10 if it weren't for shaq and vice versa.

Those two were mutally dependent on each other and it's hard to put either ahead. I'd say they are 11A and 11B
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 16, 2016, 02:31:07 AM
Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on April 16, 2016, 02:29:34 AM
durant lol

Yeah because the league is and has always been chock full of 7 foot perimeter players who can iso and run a break.

Don't try to sport, fat ass, it doesn't work for you. That's just real talk, you're boxing way above your weight class, chubbers lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: benjipwns on April 16, 2016, 02:45:32 AM
No Duncan and no Shaq on an Life-Time Top Ten is a little weird.

Shaq's 2000 thrashing of the league wasn't too dependent on Kobe or Glen Rice.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: Mandark on April 16, 2016, 02:56:32 AM
Shaq is always an interesting case for these all-time ranking arguments, because it brings up how people value consistency and longevity vs. effectiveness at the player's best.

Peak Shaq was a fucking MONSTER even if he spent a ton of his career being various degrees of fat and goofy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2016, 04:43:25 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 16, 2016, 02:31:07 AM
Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on April 16, 2016, 02:29:34 AM
durant lol

Yeah because the league is and has always been chock full of 7 foot perimeter players who can iso and run a break.

Don't try to sport, fat ass, it doesn't work for you. That's just real talk, you're boxing way above your weight class, chubbers lol
Wtf dude. Jeez
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 16, 2016, 10:01:27 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2016, 04:43:25 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 16, 2016, 02:31:07 AM
Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on April 16, 2016, 02:29:34 AM
durant lol

Yeah because the league is and has always been chock full of 7 foot perimeter players who can iso and run a break.

Don't try to sport, fat ass, it doesn't work for you. That's just real talk, you're boxing way above your weight class, chubbers lol
Wtf dude. Jeez

Was drunk. Even forgot Tim Duncan on my list :snoop


(https://giant.gfycat.com/ImpoliteSinfulBuzzard.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on April 16, 2016, 10:48:21 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 16, 2016, 02:31:07 AM
Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on April 16, 2016, 02:29:34 AM
durant lol

Yeah because the league is and has always been chock full of 7 foot perimeter players who can iso and run a break.

Don't try to sport, fat ass, it doesn't work for you. That's just real talk, you're boxing way above your weight class, chubbers lol
lmao 'you disagree so you're fat' god you're old
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on April 16, 2016, 10:49:04 AM
also durant lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: eleuin on April 16, 2016, 11:20:14 AM
no iverson (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/A1Bny.png)

also if the raptors don't win this series I'm done with basketball
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 16, 2016, 12:42:16 PM
Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on April 16, 2016, 10:48:21 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 16, 2016, 02:31:07 AM
Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on April 16, 2016, 02:29:34 AM
durant lol

Yeah because the league is and has always been chock full of 7 foot perimeter players who can iso and run a break.

Don't try to sport, fat ass, it doesn't work for you. That's just real talk, you're boxing way above your weight class, chubbers lol
lmao 'you disagree so you're fat' god you're old

Yeah my bad man, I'll go ahead and administer my own L.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 16, 2016, 12:43:09 PM
Quote from: eleuin on April 16, 2016, 11:20:14 AM
no iverson (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/A1Bny.png)

also if the raptors don't win this series I'm done with basketball
I love AI but I'm not sure I can put him top 10. His back half of his career was kinda fucked. Not all his fault but still.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on April 16, 2016, 01:32:11 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 16, 2016, 12:42:16 PM
Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on April 16, 2016, 10:48:21 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 16, 2016, 02:31:07 AM
Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on April 16, 2016, 02:29:34 AM
durant lol

Yeah because the league is and has always been chock full of 7 foot perimeter players who can iso and run a break.

Don't try to sport, fat ass, it doesn't work for you. That's just real talk, you're boxing way above your weight class, chubbers lol

lmao 'you disagree so you're fat' god you're old

Yeah my bad man, I'll go ahead and administer my own L.

it's gravy, almost certainly the only time anyone will ever call me fat in my lifetime
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 16, 2016, 02:00:04 PM
This is not what I expected the resulting discussion to be after I posted that link
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 16, 2016, 02:34:16 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 16, 2016, 02:00:04 PM
This is not what I expected the resulting discussion to be after I posted that link

It's the Bore. The only thing missing is PD dry begging for cock pics breh.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: eleuin on April 16, 2016, 03:24:33 PM
raptors are fucking pathetic

I'm done with this trash ass team
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: Your Stalker on April 16, 2016, 03:33:15 PM
craptors gonna crap  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 16, 2016, 03:52:36 PM
:umad
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2016, 04:00:34 PM
I don't watch a lot of NBA basketball but damn, it looks like Paul George fully recovered from that horrific injury. Great to see.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 16, 2016, 04:36:05 PM
Rockets defense is so trash

Harden just doesn't care about even remotely trying on that side.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: Your Stalker on April 16, 2016, 11:35:56 PM
somebody needs to end this game right now  :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 17, 2016, 12:52:01 AM
I thought it was a score to a UConn women's game lmao. What the fuck.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 17, 2016, 04:30:50 PM
Pistons are shooting lights out today

Still tie game at the moment.  Kevin Love is hot hot hot today
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 17, 2016, 10:13:35 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 17, 2016, 04:30:50 PM
Pistons are shooting lights out today

Still tie game at the moment.  Kevin Love is hot hot hot today

Don't get excited. You're out in 5 tops breh.

But if you keep that coach and that core in 2 years you'll be division champs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 17, 2016, 10:20:30 PM
All these games have been shit except for Toronto getting punked
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 17, 2016, 10:23:17 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/4TaieVB.png)
In Gundy We Trust

Pistons played tough. They aren't going to win this series but it's clear Gundy has the team moving in the right direction and they'll be one of the best teams in the east soon. My question: do they keep Drummond?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: Beezy on April 17, 2016, 10:23:30 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 17, 2016, 10:13:35 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 17, 2016, 04:30:50 PM
Pistons are shooting lights out today

Still tie game at the moment.  Kevin Love is hot hot hot today

Don't get excited. You're out in 5 tops breh.

But if you keep that coach and that core in 2 years you'll be division champs.
You realize that's BrandNew the Lebron fan, right?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 17, 2016, 10:37:28 PM
We all look alike to him

:tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 17, 2016, 10:37:45 PM
Quote from: Beezy on April 17, 2016, 10:23:30 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 17, 2016, 10:13:35 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 17, 2016, 04:30:50 PM
Pistons are shooting lights out today

Still tie game at the moment.  Kevin Love is hot hot hot today

Don't get excited. You're out in 5 tops breh.

But if you keep that coach and that core in 2 years you'll be division champs.
You realize that's BrandNew the Lebron fan, right?

Yeah dude. Stop acting as if I don't understand the bore because I do my pretend names things.

I like brandnew. You're steady B team with your passive aggressive stupidity.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 17, 2016, 11:39:49 PM
CTE :tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: T234 on April 18, 2016, 02:08:18 AM
Beezy is a killer at Mr. Driller Online.


Also, passive-aggressive? I dunno if that's the words for our boy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2016, 06:35:39 AM
It seems like you don't let a big man leave. But Drummond has holes in his game that he doesn't seem interested in fixing and has major maturity issues. Would it make sense to let him walk and gamble that you can bring a star player here in FA?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 18, 2016, 07:37:06 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2016, 06:35:39 AM
It seems like you don't let a big man leave. But Drummond has holes in his game that he doesn't seem interested in fixing and has major maturity issues. Would it make sense to let him walk and gamble that you can bring a star player here in FA?

I gotta say no. Great centers don't grow on trees. You hope he will work on his free throws and paying more attention to positioning on defense rather than always looking to block a shot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 18, 2016, 11:18:24 AM
Most of the series were obvious blowouts.

The Cavs Pistons game was clearly the best one. It was nice to see Cavs go with smaller lineup and have Love actually be effective.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 18, 2016, 11:19:48 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 18, 2016, 11:18:24 AM
Most of the series were obvious blowouts.

The Cavs Pistons game was clearly the best one. It was nice to see Cavs go with smaller lineup and have Love actually be effective.

Seemed to me we were most effective when we moved the ball through Love most of the game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 18, 2016, 11:23:29 AM
Love at Center. Lebron at PF. And a lot of smalls is their best chance out there.

Is Mo Williams still hurt?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 18, 2016, 11:28:54 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 18, 2016, 11:23:29 AM
Love at Center. Lebron at PF. And a lot of smalls is their best chance out there.

Is Mo Williams still hurt?

He's got a bad shoulder and a bad knee is what we're being told. Seems to struggle when he's out there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: Mandark on April 18, 2016, 07:23:51 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2016, 06:35:39 AM
It seems like you don't let a big man leave. But Drummond has holes in his game that he doesn't seem interested in fixing and has major maturity issues. Would it make sense to let him walk and gamble that you can bring a star player here in FA?

No no no no no no no no no.

Even if you thought star free agents want to go to Detroit now (they don't), and you needed to clear cap space (you wouldn't), why would you get rid of your best player and your best prospect?  Like, why give up on Drummond before Morris or whoever?

Worth remembering that even though it's his fourth year, he's as old as Hakeem was when the Dream was a rookie.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs start April 16th)
Post by: Beezy on April 18, 2016, 08:04:02 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 17, 2016, 10:37:45 PM
Quote from: Beezy on April 17, 2016, 10:23:30 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 17, 2016, 10:13:35 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 17, 2016, 04:30:50 PM
Pistons are shooting lights out today

Still tie game at the moment.  Kevin Love is hot hot hot today

Don't get excited. You're out in 5 tops breh.

But if you keep that coach and that core in 2 years you'll be division champs.
You realize that's BrandNew the Lebron fan, right?

Yeah dude. Stop acting as if I don't understand the bore because I do my pretend names things.

I like brandnew. You're steady B team with your passive aggressive stupidity.
Pretty sure this is the first time I've corrected you on anything.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: benjipwns on April 18, 2016, 11:49:22 PM
Quote
The San Antonio Spurs' Kawhi Leonard, who helped the team finish with the NBA's top defense this season, is the recipient of the 2015-16 Kia NBA Defensive Player of the Year Award, the NBA announced today. Leonard, a 6-7 forward, becomes the first non-center to earn the honor in back-to-back seasons since Dennis Rodman in 1989-90 and 1990-91.

Leonard received 84 first-place votes and 547 total points from a panel of 130 sportswriters and broadcasters throughout the United States and Canada. He edged the Golden State Warriors' Draymond Green, who tallied 44 first-place votes and 421 points to finish as runner-up for the second season in a row. The Miami Heat's Hassan Whiteside was third with 83 points (two first-place votes). Players were awarded five points for each first-place vote, three points for each second-place vote and one point for each third-place vote.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: benjipwns on April 19, 2016, 03:20:27 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yooJZy3pRhY
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2016, 09:22:11 PM
Van Gundy is really good. This series is really close so far.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 20, 2016, 10:05:41 PM
Man, a few breakdowns and now it's a blowout.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2016, 10:05:43 PM
Cavs three game tonight.

 :gladbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2016, 10:49:17 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15283051/minnesota-timberwolves-agree-hire-tom-thibodeau-coach-scott-layden-gm
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 20, 2016, 11:08:51 PM
Thibs with KG and a young team :lawd

Although I fear for Wiggins legs with how many minutes the dude is gonna play under Thibs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 20, 2016, 11:14:30 PM
KG isn't retiring?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 20, 2016, 11:39:20 PM
It's being floated that he'll stick around another year, especially now that Thibs is coming on

I believe he still has a year on his contract?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 21, 2016, 12:06:46 AM
How about them Cavs

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8NagLyKRdsg
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Mandark on April 21, 2016, 12:08:07 AM
Yeah, KG has a year left and Thibs was sort of the defensive coordinator for those Boston teams before he took the Bulls job, so there's a connection.  Could see him sticking around for one last season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 21, 2016, 12:14:55 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 21, 2016, 12:08:07 AM
Yeah, KG has a year left and Thibs was sort of the defensive coordinator for those Boston teams before he took the Bulls job, so there's a connection.  Could see him sticking around for one last season.

A year of what embarrassing what he was? The best know when to step down, it's time.

Let me remember the lion, not the cat.

God sometimes you guys just don't get it, no offense but goddamn.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Mandark on April 21, 2016, 12:20:11 AM
Pretty sure KG's gonna make his decision and not give a shit what either of us would think of it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: El Babua on April 21, 2016, 12:21:06 AM
Heat looking good. Expecting both Charlotte and Boston to show up for their home games though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 21, 2016, 12:39:47 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 21, 2016, 12:20:11 AM
Pretty sure KG's gonna make his decision and not give a shit what either of us would think of it.

Except one of us might know him.  :dunno
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: CajoleJuice on April 21, 2016, 12:54:40 AM
:rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 21, 2016, 09:47:18 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 21, 2016, 12:39:47 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 21, 2016, 12:20:11 AM
Pretty sure KG's gonna make his decision and not give a shit what either of us would think of it.

Except one of us might know him.  :dunno

jesus fuck, who the hell cares
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 21, 2016, 10:40:48 AM
A Mark Madsen-tier former football player who happens to personally know multiple superstars in the NFL and NBA.
:obama


Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Steve Contra on April 21, 2016, 11:27:24 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on April 18, 2016, 11:49:22 PM
Quote
The San Antonio Spurs' Kawhi Leonard, who helped the team finish with the NBA's top defense this season, is the recipient of the 2015-16 Kia NBA Defensive Player of the Year Award, the NBA announced today. Leonard, a 6-7 forward, becomes the first non-center to earn the honor in back-to-back seasons since Dennis Rodman in 1989-90 and 1990-91.

Leonard received 84 first-place votes and 547 total points from a panel of 130 sportswriters and broadcasters throughout the United States and Canada. He edged the Golden State Warriors' Draymond Green, who tallied 44 first-place votes and 421 points to finish as runner-up for the second season in a row. The Miami Heat's Hassan Whiteside was third with 83 points (two first-place votes). Players were awarded five points for each first-place vote, three points for each second-place vote and one point for each third-place vote.
Are the Spurs the best run team ever?  Like for real?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 21, 2016, 09:51:51 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15291296/scott-brooks-agrees-terms-washington-wizards-new-head-coach

This doesn't seem like an especially good idea.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 21, 2016, 10:33:25 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 21, 2016, 09:51:51 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15291296/scott-brooks-agrees-terms-washington-wizards-new-head-coach

This doesn't seem like an especially good idea.

:kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: benjipwns on April 21, 2016, 11:56:11 PM
Thibs from his first go-round with the Timberwolves in their early days:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgGsNlqUIAITDFT.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Your Stalker on April 22, 2016, 12:42:00 AM
https://vine.co/v/iFVdzjv5qnl

 :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: benjipwns on April 22, 2016, 01:18:58 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 22, 2016, 08:36:18 AM
Pretty clear the entire team hates Harden. Not shocked, but still they should at least try to act like fucking professionals....christ.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Steve Contra on April 22, 2016, 06:53:53 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15305873/2016-nba-playoffs-league-says-james-harden-game-winner-houston-rockets-not-counted (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15305873/2016-nba-playoffs-league-says-james-harden-game-winner-houston-rockets-not-counted)Rockets  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: benjipwns on April 22, 2016, 08:51:03 PM
Quote
"I think everybody made a big deal out of nothing, and we were very happy we won the game," Howard said after Friday's film session. "But I think more so we were kind of upset we put ourselves in that situation. It took a last-second shot to win the game when we clearly had the game beat from the beginning of the game.

"So for all those people saying we weren't happy and excited because James hit the shot, shut up."
Quote
Asked why the bench was so calm after Harden's shot, Howard said the players were thinking, "Don't let them get a shot off. They're known to hit crazy shots."

"[Thursday night], things about us, about the bench not being happy about James hitting the shot, all of us were happy," he said. "At the same time, we're focused, and we can't allow this team to get the ball again and shoot. Sometimes they play like 'Angels in the Outfield,' and they might catch it at half court and hit a crazy shot. You can't just celebrate in a situation like that.

"I don't think nobody was upset or mad James hit the shot. All of us were focused. That could have been the season right there."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 22, 2016, 08:56:23 PM
When Pistons get a bench they will be dangerous.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 22, 2016, 10:50:12 PM
Great game from Isaiah Thomas
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: benjipwns on April 22, 2016, 11:13:33 PM
I love watching Stan going from having a great big grin on his face off back to back transition threes to two possessions later almost losing his mind over a blown rotation that ultimately didn't affect the play at all. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Your Stalker on April 24, 2016, 05:57:41 PM
Is Curry done for the playoffs?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 24, 2016, 06:14:09 PM
Quote from: Your Stalker on April 24, 2016, 05:57:41 PM
Is Curry done for the playoffs?

Imagine if he is out for rest of playoffs, Spurs get to finals and the Cavs still can't win.
:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2016, 06:24:04 PM
Rockets are pathetic. No Curry. At Home. Close game at half. And they still get dusted.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 24, 2016, 06:32:44 PM
he was putting weight on it before he left for the locker room. I think best case scenario he's back game 1 of the semis
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2016, 06:38:59 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 24, 2016, 06:14:09 PM
Quote from: Your Stalker on April 24, 2016, 05:57:41 PM
Is Curry done for the playoffs?

Imagine if he is out for rest of playoffs
:dead


That's what happens when you over exert yourself trying to get 73 wins.

(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/skip1.png)


On a serious note, I hope it isn't a big injury. That would suck big time


Title: Re: The NBA thread (Curry 2nd MRI tomorrow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2016, 06:53:44 PM
Quote
Ethan Sherwood Strauss
ESPN Staff Writer


Kerr on Curry: "I just feel so bad for him."

Quote
Ethan Strauss
@SherwoodStrauss


Kerr also said, "We have to move on." An MRI will have its say but Kerr isn't exactly brimming with optimism
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Curry 2nd MRI tomorrow)
Post by: Your Stalker on April 24, 2016, 07:09:50 PM
just saw this on the coli

http://i.imgur.com/DzieKF4.jpg

Context?  :rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Curry 2nd MRI tomorrow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2016, 08:04:11 PM
Good Celtics Hawks game going into the 4th quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Curry 2nd MRI tomorrow)
Post by: El Babua on April 24, 2016, 08:20:07 PM
Curry :(

Quote from: Your Stalker on April 24, 2016, 07:09:50 PM
just saw this on the coli

http://i.imgur.com/DzieKF4.jpg

Context?  :rofl

That's basically the context. Dude was chillin as his team was getting blown out lmao
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Curry 2nd MRI tomorrow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2016, 08:48:36 PM
What a dagger three. What a game.

 :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Curry 2nd MRI tomorrow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2016, 10:13:46 PM
Cavs have played their best basketball of the season in this series. Love has been aggressive and they've actually used him in so many situations they haven't since he got there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Curry 2nd MRI tomorrow)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 24, 2016, 10:38:23 PM
Yup.  And even with that, the Pistons are being coached hella good.  Also some great performances from Morris and KCP.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Curry 2nd MRI tomorrow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2016, 11:17:49 PM
That series was much closer than a sweep.

As good as kyrie is one on one I wish he had the mindset to draw attention and dish more. It's the frustrating part of his game.


Pistons impressed the crap out of me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Curry 2nd MRI tomorrow)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 24, 2016, 11:21:35 PM
Pistons will be fine, just need a bench and a star. If they can lure someone here I'd let Drummond walk. Just not sold on him developing enough to justify a max deal that I'd rather give someone else (if the Pistons can find that someone else).
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Curry 2nd MRI tomorrow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2016, 11:22:43 PM
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Byron Scott expects to be back with Lakers, dismisses coaching critics
By BAXTER HOLMES via ESPN Apr 16, 2016, 3:43 AM ET

EL SEGUNDO, Calif. -- Los Angeles Lakers head coach Byron Scott said Friday that he "absolutely" expects to maintain his role next season, despite the Lakers' posting the worst record in franchise history in each of the two seasons since he was hired.

"Absolutely," Scott said two days after the team closed its 2015-16 season with a win over the Utah Jazz, which gave the Lakers a franchise-worst 17-65 record.


 :jawalrus

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Byron Scott dismissed by Lakers, sources say

The Los Angeles Lakers have fired coach Byron Scott after they posted the worst record in franchise history in each of the two seasons since he was hired, sources told ESPN's Stephen A. Smith on Sunday.

Scott had said he expected to be back a week ago, two days after the team closed its 2015-16 season with a win over the Utah Jazz, which gave the Lakers a franchise-worst 17-65 record.

Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak had said he and Lakers part-owner and executive vice president Jim Buss plan to have an "informal lunch" with Scott at some point in the next two weeks.

The Lakers have been in rebuilding mode since Kobe Bryant ruptured his Achilles in April 2013. All-Star center Dwight Howard left the team for less money elsewhere the following offseason, then All-Star center Pau Gasol did the same in the summer of 2014.

Bryant, meanwhile, wasn't the same dominant player since his Achilles injury. The five-time champion suffered consecutive season-ending injuries in the 2013-14 and 2014-15 seasons. He played 66 games this past season before retiring.

 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Curry 2nd MRI tomorrow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2016, 11:24:52 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 24, 2016, 11:21:35 PM
Pistons will be fine, just need a bench and a star. If they can lure someone here I'd let Drummond walk. Just not sold on him developing enough to justify a max deal that I'd rather give someone else (if the Pistons can find that someone else).

I don't watch enough Pistons basketball to speak to their team but I liked what I saw from him this series. If he could just improve his free throw shooting to stay on the floor. Either way, signs point to the Hack a Shaq rules changing somewhat next year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Curry 2nd MRI tomorrow)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 24, 2016, 11:51:32 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/BDibAuO.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Curry 2nd MRI tomorrow)
Post by: Mandark on April 25, 2016, 01:09:32 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 24, 2016, 11:21:35 PM
Pistons will be fine, just need a bench and a star. If they can lure someone here I'd let Drummond walk. Just not sold on him developing enough to justify a max deal that I'd rather give someone else (if the Pistons can find that someone else).

This is the stupidest fucking post.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Curry 2nd MRI tomorrow)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 25, 2016, 01:26:01 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 25, 2016, 01:09:32 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 24, 2016, 11:21:35 PM
Pistons will be fine, just need a bench and a star. If they can lure someone here I'd let Drummond walk. Just not sold on him developing enough to justify a max deal that I'd rather give someone else (if the Pistons can find that someone else).

This is the stupidest fucking post.

I played AAU basketball and shook Tom Brady's hand, you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

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you'd give him the max?
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Title: I acknowledge that I've been trolled into answering your question
Post by: Mandark on April 25, 2016, 01:48:08 AM
It has more to do with the salary cap and "max" salary than quibbling about how good he is/will be as a player.

The new TV deal is inflating the cap.  It's going from ~$70 million last offseason to ~$90 million this offseason to over $100 million the year after that, after which it's meant to stabilize.

Max contracts represent a certain percentage of the cap, and you can get a higher percentage based on how long you've been in the league (<5 years, 5-9 years, 10+ years are the tiers).  A "max" player signed after their 4-year rookie contract like Drummond is cheaper than a veteran max (think Kobe, Melo), and a max contract calculated based on a $92 million cap is cheaper than a max contract based on a $107 million cap.  You can see an estimate of different max salaries here (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/projecting-2015-2016-max-salary-tiers/).

If Drummond signs at $21 million, that's as much as Tobias Harris plus either Aaron Baynes or Jodie Meeks next year.  If you look at Detroit's cap, you'll have room next offseason to go after any free agents without breaking up any of the core.  If you want to get a top free agent this offseason...  look who's available after LBJ and KD, who aren't coming.  You gonna drop your 22 year old rising star to pay Mike Conley into his 30's?  Al Horford?

But none of that even really matters, cause even if you preferred cap space to Drummond, you could sign-and-trade him to the Celtics or whoever, and get that space PLUS a bunch of first round draft picks, because most other teams would want him.  Letting him walk when you can get free shit in exchange makes no sense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Curry 2nd MRI tomorrow)
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 25, 2016, 09:53:42 AM
The Lakers should hire David Blatt now. For the lullls.


Title: Re: I acknowledge that I've been trolled into answering your question
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 25, 2016, 11:38:00 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 25, 2016, 01:48:08 AM
It has more to do with the salary cap and "max" salary than quibbling about how good he is/will be as a player.

The new TV deal is inflating the cap.  It's going from ~$70 million last offseason to ~$90 million this offseason to over $100 million the year after that, after which it's meant to stabilize.

Max contracts represent a certain percentage of the cap, and you can get a higher percentage based on how long you've been in the league (<5 years, 5-9 years, 10+ years are the tiers).  A "max" player signed after their 4-year rookie contract like Drummond is cheaper than a veteran max (think Kobe, Melo), and a max contract calculated based on a $92 million cap is cheaper than a max contract based on a $107 million cap.  You can see an estimate of different max salaries here (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/projecting-2015-2016-max-salary-tiers/).

If Drummond signs at $21 million, that's as much as Tobias Harris plus either Aaron Baynes or Jodie Meeks next year.  If you look at Detroit's cap, you'll have room next offseason to go after any free agents without breaking up any of the core.  If you want to get a top free agent this offseason...  look who's available after LBJ and KD, who aren't coming.  You gonna drop your 22 year old rising star to pay Mike Conley into his 30's?  Al Horford?

But none of that even really matters, cause even if you preferred cap space to Drummond, you could sign-and-trade him to the Celtics or whoever, and get that space PLUS a bunch of first round draft picks, because most other teams would want him.  Letting him walk when you can get free shit in exchange makes no sense.

Totally agree. He's gonna get the max from Detroit anyway.

And who would trade away a top 3 center anyway? :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Curry 2nd MRI tomorrow)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 25, 2016, 12:10:59 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on April 25, 2016, 09:53:42 AM
The Lakers should hire David Blatt now. For the lullls.

They should.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Curry 2nd MRI tomorrow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2016, 03:46:17 PM
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Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account
‏@WojVerticalNBA
Vertical Sources: Steph Curry's MRI on knee has returned negative, no damage, a Grade 1 sprain. Could miss two weeks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Curry 2nd MRI tomorrow)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 25, 2016, 04:26:00 PM
Hmmmm.  They should be able to take care of business in that amount of time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Curry 2nd MRI tomorrow)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2016, 09:40:58 PM
Hornets gonna tie up series 2-2 with Heat
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Curry Probably out 2 weeks)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2016, 01:10:27 AM
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Los Angeles Clippers point guard Chris Paul suffered a fracture in his hand during Monday's playoff game against the Portland Trail Blazers and did not return.

Paul suffered the injury while defending Trail Blazers guard Gerald Henderson and was taken out of the game with 6:07 left in the third quarter of Game 4.

Paul's fracture was in the third metacarpal, in the center of the palm of his right hand.

 :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Curry Probably out 2 weeks)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2016, 01:14:33 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNjbElvyU0s


 :mynicca
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Curry Probably out 2 weeks)
Post by: benjipwns on April 26, 2016, 04:46:09 AM
Reggie Jackson needs a better backup, really the entire team does. And the entire team needs someone other than Jackson who can handle the ball. He botched that last play by going for the three and the win. And botches lots of them by doing things like trying unnecessarily to draw fouls first and not even truly attempting a shot. He forgets about his teammates more than Brandon Jennings did, which is pretty awesome. Brandon Knight would be a pretty nice guard to have now. :lol

In the ESPN 5-on-5, the one guy was calling the Tobias Harris acquisition a disaster because he's a tweener and they already had Morris and has a four year deal. But Harris was fantastic since they got him. And he's 23. When he was on, the whole team dynamic would change.

I liked Stanley's improvement over the year, there was no way they could have thrown him at LeBron like that a few months ago. It was great to see a rookie get so much burn after the Curry-Kuester-Frank-Cheeks era. That said, he reallly needs a three. KCP getting consistent this year and then turning into a late game no care killer probably saved his long term prospects.

Apparently SVG wants to kick the tires on signing Nene or similar to a short-term deal to bulk up the front line and give the team a post playmaker. Also late-game Andre insurance.

I'm not as concerned as others about the D. Team is young, putting pieces together still, Stan can crank up a D like he did in Orlando. Getting the team out of the offensive gutter was the important thing. A bench and another couple playmakers either internally or signed will do a lot, especially with the current East situation.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Curry Probably out 2 weeks)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 26, 2016, 11:30:05 AM
Loved the either Durant and Westbrook has for Villanueva   :neogaf

Westbrook "Well now he can get home and practice to sit for 82 games next year"  :jawalrus

Durant "If he's even in the league"  :shaq2

 :whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Curry Probably out 2 weeks)
Post by: benjipwns on April 26, 2016, 12:18:44 PM
Kings getting new...retro logos:
(http://content.sportslogos.net/news/2016/04/New-Sacramento-Kings-Logo-2016-17.jpg)

Potential colors:
(http://content.sportslogos.net/news/2016/04/Sacramento-Kings-Logos-Colour-590x533.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Curry Probably out 2 weeks)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 26, 2016, 12:20:53 PM
First thing they've done right this year. Those aren't bad at all.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Curry Probably out 2 weeks)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 26, 2016, 01:21:43 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on April 26, 2016, 04:46:09 AM
I liked Stanley's improvement over the year, there was no way they could have thrown him at LeBron like that a few months ago. It was great to see a rookie get so much burn after the Curry-Kuester-Frank-Cheeks era. That said, he reallly needs a three.

he was getting some pretty demanding assignments -LeBron, switching onto kyrie- that he handled pretty well from what I saw. He shot the ball well from the corners in college, I think his shot'll come along alright. He's only what, 20 right now? He's got a lot of time ahead of him but I wasn't expecting his offense to need so much work.

e: also, at Arizona he was great at shooting the passing lanes for breakaway steals, but that mightve been just because he was such a better athlete than anyone else on the court. Did you see any of that this year?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Curry Probably out 2 weeks)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 26, 2016, 01:24:42 PM
Fuck, that lion/basketball logo is hot hot hot
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chris Paul and Blake Griffin most likely done for playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2016, 06:51:23 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2016/story/_/id/15388345/2016-nba-playoffs-blake-griffin-miss-rest-postseason-chris-paul-indefinitely-los-angeles-clippers

Blake done also
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chris Paul and Blake Griffin most likely done for playoffs)
Post by: benjipwns on April 26, 2016, 11:25:48 PM
oh clippers, you're not getting away from sterling that easily
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chris Paul and Blake Griffin most likely done for playoffs)
Post by: benjipwns on April 27, 2016, 12:03:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWw09xQSwOA
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Refined crown & ball is modern take on civic & franchise pride that has grown for generation. #NewEraOfProud

The secondary logo symbolizes the bold and unwavering devotion we have for our city. #NewEraOfProud

Legendary fan base creates greatest home court advantage in all sports & this represents their roar. #NewEraOfProud

Derived from the primary logo, the crown is angled slightly to provide dimension & strength. #NewEraOfProud

Crest will be used in visual identity as we continue to make bball the global sport of 21st century. #NewEraOfProud

Each designed to connect elements that define Sacramento Kings: Our City. Our Pride. Our Foundation. #NewEraOfProud
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cg-7Yn5WwAAl1Ms.jpg:large)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpD58glmaL8
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chris Paul and Blake Griffin most likely done for playoffs)
Post by: Beezy on April 27, 2016, 11:15:33 AM
Wow. Now GSW can rest Curry until the WCF if they need to.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chris Paul and Blake Griffin most likely done for playoffs)
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 27, 2016, 12:24:20 PM
If only the Clippers hadn't pushed so hard to get 73 wins, they wouldn't be racking up all these injuries now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Chris Paul and Blake Griffin most likely done for playoffs)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2016, 02:25:45 AM
https://youtu.be/HXQeu5PfV4o
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Your Stalker on April 28, 2016, 11:23:57 PM
https://twitter.com/TNestel3/status/725170871900459008/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChBTEHrW0AEhzSZ.jpg)

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Curry Probably out 2 weeks)
Post by: SplittinWigs on April 29, 2016, 03:44:46 AM
Late here but fuck the Rockets. Team full of clowns. Harden included. People give him a pass because he can put up points but he lives on bitch play and his defense is beyond trash. Fuck him and his nappy ass beard. Waste of talent.

And Dwight. What happened? Young fans forget that a few years back in Orlando he was biting Lebron's heels for MVP and even beat him in voting in '11. People were anointing him as the next Shaq. But he fell off so hard. Never developed that post game and whatever heart he used to have is gone now. I also think he looked his best in SVG's system in Orlando -- a team stacked with perimeter shooters who stretched the floor past the arc, and Dwight benefited from that that by living in the paint and being able to ddish out to the open man when he needed. They could play inside-out or outside-in. But this stagnant Houston iso ball just kills him and he's too stupid or stubborn or untalented to adapt. Buddy has checked the fuck out. I weep for the team that gives him a max contract next season.

Pacers making me sad too. PG13 is tragically overlooked due to his supporting cast being fuckin garbage. He has had this team on his back all season. Now he's putting up finals MVP numbers and still nobody gives a fuck. Cool to see that the Raps might finally make their way out the first round, but PG's performance is being totally overshadowed by that narrative.

Quote from: benjipwns on April 26, 2016, 12:18:44 PM
Kings getting new...retro logos:
(http://content.sportslogos.net/news/2016/04/New-Sacramento-Kings-Logo-2016-17.jpg)

Potential colors:
(http://content.sportslogos.net/news/2016/04/Sacramento-Kings-Logos-Colour-590x533.jpg)
The design is actually pretty nice but they should have taken the opportunity to ditch the purple. Tbh tho fans Sac fans are such homers that they could have changed the logo to a burning turd in a dumpster and their fans would still be sucking off the front office and proclaiming it to be the best artistic accomplishment since the Sistine Chapel.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2016, 10:11:28 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69uUCpZlN_A
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2016, 11:49:18 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15425744/andre-drummond-detroit-pistons-willing-consider-underhand-free-throws-coach-stan-van-gundy-says
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Detroit Pistons center Andre Drummond is willing to consider a throwback free throw style to improve a glaring hole in his game, according to coach Stan Van Gundy.

"As far as shooting underhand or anything else, it's fair to say my discussion with Andre yesterday and the discussions [general manager] Jeff [Bower] and I have had and staff -- everything is on the table," Van Gundy said Thursday, according to The Detroit News.
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"It won't be a unilateral decision," Van Gundy said. "We'll do some research on some things and come up with what we think is a good approach, talk to Andre and see what he thinks and develop an approach going forward.

"We all know it's an important thing -- Andre more than any of us -- he's pretty open to anything. There's a lot of ways to attack this problem, and we'll all have a hand in it."

Part of the problem is taking practice success into games. Drummond says he shoots free throws "really good" outside of games, and Van Gundy estimates that his practice conversion rate is 65 percent.

"It's just hard, for whatever reason, to translate from the practice floor to the game," Van Gundy told ESPN's Tom Haberstroh. "Look, you're standing there by yourself, with the game stopped, and everybody's watching. Let's say a guy misses a jump shot. The play goes to the other end, and everyone's focused on what's happening there. But Andre's standing there at the free throw line, all everybody's talking about who's watching the game is his free throw shooting. It's hard. It's really hard."
Quote
"The one thing we do know is the traditional approach and nothing else, of simply trying to correct mechanics and go in the gym and shoot a lot of free throws, has not worked," Van Gundy said Thursday. "So we've got to [try something] else. We've got to be a little more creative in how we approach it."
based svg
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2016, 10:24:37 PM
Quote
LUKE WALTON AGREED TO BE LAKERS' COACH

The team and Walton have reached an agreement on a multi-year contract for the 36-year-old to become the next head coach of the team. He'll begin his duties at the end of the Warriors' season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2016, 10:29:57 PM
Kemba Walker going off
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2016, 10:37:25 PM
Some clutch shots down the stretch for wade there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: SplittinWigs on April 29, 2016, 11:24:50 PM
Worst first round in years? Mostly blowouts and sweeps, and all but one of these close series have been between the worst teams. And it's like they play to avoid losing more than they play to win. I hate to agree with Bill Simmons but he's right in saying the first round doesn't deserve seven games.  (https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/722796608178376706)

Still watching it all, though. Love that there are multiple games almost every night. Always some high-level play despite the shittier teams and this plague of injuries. No idea why casual sports fans lose their shit over March Madness every year when the NBA always does it bigger and better one month later.

Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2016, 10:24:37 PM
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LUKE WALTON AGREED TO BE LAKERS' COACH

The team and Walton have reached an agreement on a multi-year contract for the 36-year-old to become the next head coach of the team. He'll begin his duties at the end of the Warriors' season.

This is what everyone predicted, and I guess this makes sense for both parties. And his alternative choices -- Sac, Washington, maybe NY -- were no more attractive. Just a rough situation to step into as a young coach, especially after cutting his teeth on the Warriors' greatness.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: El Babua on April 29, 2016, 11:31:37 PM
D-Wade :wow
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: SplittinWigs on April 30, 2016, 01:06:36 AM
DJ DOWN. God hates the Clips for real.

Quote from: El Babua on April 29, 2016, 11:31:37 PM
D-Wade :wow
YEP. Sadly he will be historically underrated as an SG because he had to play with Shaq and Lebron for his rings and he's Kobe-lite and he's dirty and he's jowly and blah blah blah.

I love that man
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: benjipwns on April 30, 2016, 10:02:11 AM
Quote from: SplittinWigs on April 29, 2016, 11:24:50 PM
No idea why casual sports fans lose their shit over March Madness every year when the NBA always does it bigger and better one month later.
Because they're casual fans. The chaotic nature traditionally of the tournament, the cinderella bandwagons and brackets getting ruined are a lot of the fun. And the players and the team construction and everything is window dressing for the single, lone, game.

I've often heard complaints about the NBA's best of seven format and how it undermines upsets because the better team should win every series. Upsets get driven more by injuries more often than by any other particular aspect to the games, especially as the series lengthen. It's rare that you get situations like 2010 where Cleveland and Orlando basically built to nullify each other, only for both teams to draw the Celtics who they had deconstructed their teams away from.

The longer season + longer series, slowly reduce the advantages of things like the Heat and Warriors recent "small-ball/positionless" styles, and then it's about LeBron or Curry just being so much better.

The win or go home nature of the NCAA Tournament is much different. One bad game will instantly end even the actual best teams' title chances.

For some reason I feel like we'd find that Simmons went crazy over all those seven game first round series in 2014. Five of them and a six game series.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YnwODYGeuM
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2016, 11:58:19 AM
I get why people like it and I did when I was young but as I grew older I grew to dislike the random chaotic nature of March Madness. I prefer a setup where the best team is given the chance to win over a series.



Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 30, 2016, 01:49:25 PM
Quote from: El Babua on April 29, 2016, 11:31:37 PM
D-Wade :wow

(http://i.imgur.com/CSDXoOv.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 30, 2016, 02:02:41 PM
Wade was fantastic last night.  Dat clutch shot in front of the purple shirt dude :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2016, 06:31:47 PM
Pumped for this OKC Spurs series
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2016, 08:55:10 PM
San Antonio's start.

 :whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2016, 09:02:33 PM
43 point first quarter.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Your Stalker on April 30, 2016, 09:11:00 PM
jesus christ i thought this game was next week for some reason
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2016, 09:20:39 PM
Apparently so did the Thunder
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2016, 11:05:50 PM
I mean one game and all that and the Spurs were the favorite anyway. But that game just sucked all of my enthusiasm away from this series. Let's just jump to the Western Conference finals.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Your Stalker on May 01, 2016, 06:07:01 AM
http://imgur.com/a/tyrw4

holy fuck  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 01, 2016, 06:10:39 AM
Quote from: Your Stalker on May 01, 2016, 06:07:01 AM
http://imgur.com/a/tyrw4

holy fuck  :lol

"You are a boo boo nicca"

-Cameron Payne
Interpretive Dancer/Bench Enthusiast
OKC Thunder
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 01, 2016, 03:02:59 PM
these playoffs were almost interesting
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Fifstar on May 01, 2016, 04:02:35 PM
Warriors just destroying the Blazers
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 01, 2016, 04:09:39 PM
This year was so top heavy that it has seemingly rendered the early rounds moot and less interesting. Everybody is just waiting for the western conference finals and that winner will almost certainly be the champion.

And then in the East, we are just waiting to see if Cleveland implodes or not.

That is if you aren't in one of those other cities and hoping your team can pull an upset.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 01, 2016, 05:22:53 PM
I mean, it was looking like we were going to get a healthy Clippers-Warriors series just 8 days ago

I think OKC could still make that series interesting
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 01, 2016, 10:47:37 PM
Toronto won

next round is looking just as interesting as this one :shaq2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 02, 2016, 07:20:46 AM
Cavs beat Hawks in 5.

I'm super happy we got them and not the Celtics who would have resorted to beating us up. Here's to a bunch of 110-104 games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Brehvolution on May 02, 2016, 03:29:47 PM
Wow the Raptors won? Glad I'm not a bettin' man.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 02, 2016, 04:12:12 PM
Heat should be able to take care of them pretty easily

Cavs in 6
Heat in 6

Spurs in 5
Warriors in 6

Cavs in 7
Spurs in 7

Spurs in 6 :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 03, 2016, 12:12:31 AM
this Thunder team is really committed to finding new ways to lose important games, what the fuck was Waiters thinking?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 03, 2016, 12:34:34 AM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on May 03, 2016, 12:12:31 AM
this Thunder team is really committed to finding new ways to lose important games, what the fuck was Waiters thinking?
#konex

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 03, 2016, 03:53:16 AM
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Lead referee Ken Mauer said the officials missed a foul on Dion Waiters on the final possession: "However, upon review, we realize and we agree we should have had an offensive foul on the play. It's a play we've never seen before, ever."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 03, 2016, 03:57:26 AM
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The Sacramento Kings will interview Mark Jackson and Jeff Hornacek for their head-coaching vacancy later this week, according to league sources.

Sources told ESPN.com that the Kings have sit-downs scheduled in the coming days with Jackson, currently an ESPN NBA analyst, and Hornacek, formerly the Phoenix Suns' coach, in addition to previously scheduled interviews with former Cleveland Cavaliers coach David Blatt and current Charlotte Hornets assistant coach Patrick Ewing.

Current Kings assistant coach Corliss Williamson, sources said, will also be interviewed for the position.

The Kings, sources say, have already completed interviews with former Minnesota Timberwolves and Toronto Raptors coach Sam Mitchell, former Los Angeles Clippers and Chicago Bulls coach Vinny Del Negro and former New York Knicks and Atlanta Hawks coach Mike Woodson.


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Blatt interviewed for the Knicks' job last week and was on the list of potential targets for the Los Angeles Lakers' vacancy before the Lakers quickly came to terms with Luke Walton.
Oh man, if only they had hired Blatt.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 03, 2016, 08:07:17 AM
Windhorst says Lebron's jumpers are gone.

Lebron shoots 52% from the field.


How does this man get paid?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Fifstar on May 03, 2016, 08:51:23 AM
How does his fg% in one game invalidate the stats that show that his percentages have clearly gone down from distances above 3 feet? Although his stats even in the paint are 5% worse than they were before so I guess you could argue that he just in general has become a less effective scorer (yes, still a tremendously effective scorer but somewhat worse than before). He shot about 30% outside the paint in the series against Detroit and the only thing the article argues that he decided to share the scoring load more with his teammates because of this.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 03, 2016, 09:04:36 AM
Quote from: Fifstar on May 03, 2016, 08:51:23 AM
How does his fg% in one game invalidate the stats that show that his percentages have clearly gone down from distances above 3 feet? Although his stats even in the paint are 5% worse than they were before so I guess you could argue that he just in general has become a less effective scorer (yes, still a tremendously effective scorer but somewhat worse than before). He shot about 30% outside the paint in the series against Detroit and the only thing the article argues that he decided to share the scoring load more with his teammates because of this.

He's been holding back. That's a promise.

Averaging what? 28 8 and 6 for the playoffs? Yeah.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2016, 09:07:36 AM
His jumper has sucked all year. Its been noticeable since he went back to Cleveland in general. Which is a testament to how good he is that he can still be effective shooting overall even when shooting rather poorly from the outside as he has done.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 03, 2016, 09:21:56 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2016, 09:07:36 AM
His jumper has sucked all year. Its been noticeable since he went back to Cleveland in general. Which is a testament to how good he is that he can still be effective shooting overall even when shooting rather poorly from the outside as he has done.

Lebron's mind is here now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r37DtF7VejI


Bye, East
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 03, 2016, 01:38:45 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 03, 2016, 08:07:17 AM
Windhorst says Lebron's jumpers are gone.

Lebron shoots 52% from the field.


How does this man get paid?

I can't figure you out, AiA. Windhorst has watched every game Lebron has played and even KNOWS him. The amount of anecdotal evidence that man has could fill books. He should be a god to you.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 03, 2016, 01:40:18 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on May 03, 2016, 01:38:45 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 03, 2016, 08:07:17 AM
Windhorst says Lebron's jumpers are gone.

Lebron shoots 52% from the field.


How does this man get paid?

I can't figure you out, AiA. Windhorst has watched every game Lebron has played and even KNOWS him. The amount of anecdotal evidence that man has could fill books. He should be a god to you.

Forgive me if I dont enjoy a worthless fat cocksucker who's been riding lebron's balls since high school. Take Lebron out and this guy is writing stories for the chronicle telegram rather than ESPN, he isn't even a top 10 nba beat writer.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Mandark on May 03, 2016, 01:46:30 PM
Also, his jumper has been off since he got back to Cleveland, and it's not like he makes them in the playoffs when he starts trying for real.

Bringing up something obvious that tons of other people have already mentioned ain't exactly libel.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 03, 2016, 01:48:15 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 03, 2016, 01:46:30 PM
Also, his jumper has been off since he got back to Cleveland, and it's not like he makes them in the playoffs when he starts trying for real.

Bringing up something obvious that tons of other people have already mentioned ain't exactly libel.

Again it's not his jumper, it's his 3 pointers that are down. All windy does is attack Lebron since he got dumped in Miami and left for dead. That shit gets old. Only thing worse than a sports reporter is a lawyer.

Don't believe me? Check his articles before the 2nd title and after

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=brian+windhorst+and+lebron+james

:umad
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Mandark on May 03, 2016, 01:55:36 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 03, 2016, 01:48:15 PM
Again it's not his jumper, it's his 3 pointers that are down.

LeBron from 8-16 feet:

2015-16: 34.1%
2014-15: 36.3%
2013-14: 43.5%
2012-13: 41.6%
2011-12: 47.3%
2010-11: 46.4%
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 03, 2016, 01:56:14 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 03, 2016, 01:55:36 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 03, 2016, 01:48:15 PM
Again it's not his jumper, it's his 3 pointers that are down.

LeBron from 8-16 feet:

2015-16: 34.1%
2014-15: 36.3%
2013-14: 43.5%
2012-13: 41.6%
2011-12: 47.3%
2010-11: 46.4%

His game has changed bro. What's his overall FG%?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Mandark on May 03, 2016, 02:01:22 PM
Are we still talking about his jumper or no?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 03, 2016, 02:02:33 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 03, 2016, 02:01:22 PM
Are we still talking about his jumper or no?

I stand corrected. Wasn't that noticeable to me over the last few months.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Mandark on May 03, 2016, 02:25:08 PM
Yeah, it's just an observation, not an attack on him or whatever.  Stoney and Fifstar both pointed out that he's still a great scorer/player.

The interesting thing is that as LeBron's struggled with his jumper, he's getting a lot more attempts in the paint, all year but especially after the AS break.  It's a pretty obvious adjustment, but you expect a player his age to go in the opposite direction and it's sort of amazing that even at this point in his career he can just say "fuck it I'm going to the rim every time" when he feels the need.

Makes me wonder if they'll ever just use him as the screener in pick-and-rolls a bunch.  I've heard he doesn't like that, but I'd love to see just one season where he's a better Karl Malone than the Mailman himself was.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 03, 2016, 02:39:42 PM
This may be an ignorant comment/question but did him and Bosh run pick and rolls often where Lebron was the handler and Bosh was the screener?  Bosh near the end of Lebron's tenure in Miami was, from what I remember, a deadly shooter even from 3 point land.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Your Stalker on May 03, 2016, 10:32:39 PM
wew lad
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: El Babua on May 03, 2016, 11:29:41 PM
Heat nearly gave the game away twice :whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 03, 2016, 11:35:07 PM
The NBA listed five incorrect non-calls from the final 13.5 seconds of Monday's game between the Oklahoma City Thunder and the San Antonio Spurs. (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15454490/nba-lists-five-incorrect-non-calls-final-seconds-oklahoma-city-thunder-san-antonio-spurs-game-2)
whoops
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: dkdk on May 04, 2016, 01:56:51 AM
this gif has potential
https://gfycat.com/PleasedSphericalBaldeagle
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2016, 09:31:44 AM
Fucking Overwatch has made me miss the last few days of NBA action.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2016, 10:34:23 PM
Damn impressive win for the Cavs tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 04, 2016, 11:10:25 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2016, 10:34:23 PM
Damn impressive win for the Cavs tonight.

But but but no jumpers though ...sigh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2016, 11:16:33 PM
Even weak shooters have occasional good nights behind the line.


 :jawalrus
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2016, 02:56:22 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15467670/indiana-pacers-part-ways-coach-frank-vogel

Surprising.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Mandark on May 05, 2016, 03:06:41 PM
Larry Bird has been quoted in the past on how coaches tend to get tuned out by players once they've been around after a certain point, which is why he didn't stay on as coach himself.

Still, the yardstick for coaches is usually how they do against expectations, and whether the players seem to buy into their program.  Didn't read anything about internal dissent, and nobody thought the Pacers were going deep into the playoffs this year.  Wonder if Bird has a particular replacement in mind already.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 05, 2016, 03:56:17 PM
Vogel HAS to be the biggest coaching target now, right?  Moreso than Blatt?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Mandark on May 05, 2016, 04:00:45 PM
Maybe, but NYK/HOU/SAC are the only open spots left.

If he doesn't like those jobs, he's got enough of a reputation that maybe he takes a year off as an analyst somewhere before jumping back in.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 05, 2016, 04:11:57 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 05, 2016, 03:56:17 PM
Vogel HAS to be the biggest coaching target now, right?  Moreso than Blatt?
This is the subtle racism that Stephen A. was talking about when nobody would give coaching legend Mark Jackson more credit than Steve Kerr for the Warriors title.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 07, 2016, 04:25:01 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15481248/memphis-grizzlies-fire-coach-dave-joerger-three-seasons

I never understand coaching changes in the NBA anymore.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 08, 2016, 06:16:15 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/BDibAuO.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2016, 08:15:48 PM
Not a thing to complain about with the Cavs. This playoff run is the best of them in the season by far.

Mozgov is so traded.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 08, 2016, 08:29:22 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2016, 08:15:48 PM
Not a thing to complain about with the Cavs. This playoff run is the best of them in the season by far.

Mozgov is so traded.

He's UFA at end of season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 08, 2016, 08:58:08 PM
Nice effort by the Hawks. Cavs are on a stupid level right now. I worry they peaked too early.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2016, 06:28:30 PM
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" just said, 'Kevin, Kyrie [Irving] and Bron (LeBron James), each night you guys got to know what to expect out of each other,'" Lue recalled. "'Until you all do that, we aren't going to be able to win.'

"And I said, 'Kevin, you got to be more aggressive. Tell LeBron, I'm a bad m-----f----- too, so throw me the ball.' Be aggressive. Run the floor. If you're open, we got to throw you the ball. You got to demand the basketball and I said, 'Score the ball and be aggressive.'"

The meeting, earlier reported by Cleveland.com's Chris Fedor, was a watershed moment not only for Love, but for Lue as well, as the rookie head coach found the right button to push at a crucial time for his team.

http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-cavaliers/post/_/id/2670/kevin-love-leads-cavs-into-the-conference-finals-with-tyronn-lues-talk-on-his-mind
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 09, 2016, 11:03:26 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 07, 2016, 04:25:01 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15481248/memphis-grizzlies-fire-coach-dave-joerger-three-seasons

I never understand coaching changes in the NBA anymore.
That was fast (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15494387/sacramento-kings-dave-joerger-agree-four-year-deal):
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The Sacramento Kings named Dave Joerger the team's new head coach on Monday.

The Kings didn't disclose contract details, but sources told ESPN that Joerger agreed to a four-year deal worth $16 million, and the fourth year of the contract is a team option.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 09, 2016, 11:04:54 PM
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Golden State Warriors guard Stephen Curry will be named NBA Most Valuable Player for a second straight season, according to league sources.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 10, 2016, 01:34:03 AM
Steph's back
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2016, 03:07:23 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_hxnzjzkRU
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 10, 2016, 07:23:02 AM
It's like the Cavs and GS are competing as to who can break more records in these playoffs, it's bizarre.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2016, 10:29:20 PM
Wow. Heck of a finish here by OKC.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 10, 2016, 10:30:32 PM
Spurs ded
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 11, 2016, 12:18:42 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CiJHsztUYAICilZ.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 11, 2016, 01:49:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb0wmBUB4cg
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Fifstar on May 12, 2016, 10:19:03 AM
Little tidbit about Currys shooting: he is shooting around 70% from 3 foot or less, the next best PGs are shooting around 60% from that distance. He has numbers that otherwise only get reached by centers or big athletic guys like Durant.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Brehvolution on May 12, 2016, 11:08:22 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Zf5bvHAgRQ
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2016, 05:20:59 PM
I'm supposed to be rooting for the the Heat, but I'm rooting for Toronto.

 :-[
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2016, 08:34:13 PM
Spurs up against it tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 12, 2016, 08:47:03 PM
Shit.  I think I'm gonna watch the Predators game instead of the Spurs/Thunder game  :'(

this is the first time I've chosen hockey over basketball
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2016, 09:25:49 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15517163/scott-skiles-tells-orlando-magic-stepping-down

That's odd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Your Stalker on May 12, 2016, 09:26:08 PM
lol these niccas are done
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2016, 10:57:47 PM
Damn impressive series for the Thunder especially after that first game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 12, 2016, 10:58:56 PM
end of an era brehs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: El Babua on May 12, 2016, 11:58:10 PM
Duncan :tocry

Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2016, 05:20:59 PM
I'm supposed to be rooting for the the Heat, but I'm rooting for Toronto.

 :-[

Fukk the Raptors
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 13, 2016, 03:58:54 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2016, 09:25:49 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15517163/scott-skiles-tells-orlando-magic-stepping-down

That's odd
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Justin Termine ‎@TermineRadio
My sources tell me Skiles told Hennigan he made mistake taking job in mid-Jan, before backtracking & telling him it was momentary insanity.

Hennigan was pissed at Skiles because he harassed the DeVos family w calls & texts to land job, then said in mid-Jan he no longer wanted it.

Hennigan wanted to tell the DeVos family of Skiles admission that he made mistake taking job... CEO Alex Martins recommended they not.

1st hint of Skiles' discontent came when he told Ast Adrian Griffin he made mistake... Griffin hesitated, but eventually went to management.

According to my sources Hennigan, Martins & Griffin were only ones within org to know of Skiles admitting he no longer wanted job.
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Josh Robbins ✔ ‎@JoshuaBRobbins
There was certainly a disconnect between Scott Skiles & GM Rob Hennigan. A few disagreements on personnel & on the mindset of the team.

Certainly, one of the disagreements between Hennigan and Skiles was Skiles' opinion on the Magic's point guard situation.

Hennigan and the front office backed (and still back) Elfrid Payton as the PG of the future. Skiles did not. But that's just 1 issue.

https://twitter.com/EvanFourmizz/status/730761941963157504
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 13, 2016, 07:22:12 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 12, 2016, 10:58:56 PM
end of an era brehs

 :tocry


Always liked the Spurs. They'll be back in a couple of years. They have some big shoes to fill.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 14, 2016, 07:28:20 AM
This Hawks/Heat series is now becoming cringeworthy as they are really battling for a right to go down 0-4 to the Cavs.

Thunder/GS is the only series that matters currently.

If everybody stays healthy it's going to be a great finals match up whether it's GS-Cavs 2 (which everybody wants, and now they are getting chippy) or Thunder (Durant is unreal right now).

Bad mad Steph versus mad Bron has potential to become an all time classic series like Lakers/Celtics 2.


For the record, I'm sticking with my pick. Healthy Cavs take it this year and Golden State will take the rubber match in 2017 and Steph will officially be the best player on the planet until/if Ben Simmons develops any kind of mid range game. Lebron is going out swinging. But everybody is a victim of time.

Lebron is going to go out as the second best player of all time. Ain't no damn shame in that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 14, 2016, 08:52:25 AM
Westbrook has been pretty damn vicious too. Him and Curry should be fun.

Enes Kanter off the bench has been a quietly effective big all year for them though I can't really think of a way to play him more because of that bad defense and OKC's thin perimeter. Weird thing is that other than him, their bench hasn't been too impressive in the playoffs. At least Morrow was nailing threes during the season.

Donovan's going to have a juggle things a bit more against the Warriors lineup.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 14, 2016, 09:28:00 AM
One little side comment, I never thought Draymond Green would ever be this good. I thought he could be like a cheap Anthony Mason type with a bit more range, but shit, he plays better than he ever did at State. And gets better seemingly with every month.

Makes me start to reconsider Denzel Valentine's potential value since he made similar year after year improvements at State but was never really killing people until the end of his junior and into his senior year. (His leap into triple double territory was kinda like Green with last years playoffs into this season.)

Deyonta Davis is still the best player from last years team. He was too smart to play with most of the rest of that team. But then I'm always falling in love with skinny high efficiency scorers who somehow control the offensive boards and block shots. Brandan Wright. :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 14, 2016, 09:32:02 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 14, 2016, 09:28:00 AM
One little side comment, I never thought Draymond Green would ever be this good. I thought he could be like a cheap Anthony Mason type with a bit more range, but shit, he plays better than he ever did at State. And gets better seemingly with every month.

Makes me start to reconsider Denzel Valentine's potential value since he made similar year after year improvements at State but was never really killing people until the end of his junior and into his senior year. (His leap into triple double territory was kinda like Green with last years playoffs into this season.)

Deyonta Davis is still the best player from last years team. He was too smart to play with most of the rest of that team. But then I'm always falling in love with skinny high efficiency scorers who somehow control the offensive boards and block shots. Brandan Wright. :-\

Talking Sparty bullshit to a Blue alum :pacspit

Anyway yeah Green is a great player. I thought he was a steal where he was picked us but I also had him down as a budget Rodman type. I have him as a top 10 player in the league now and good on him. I got nothing bad to say about him but that I hate it when my Cavs play him. Which is actually a compliment.

And people can laugh if they want but he's one of the hardest people to D up in the league. Period.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 14, 2016, 09:48:44 AM
MSU prospects have been pretty underwhelming over the last decade so it was interesting to see a second round senior become a dominant game changer on an all-time team. I remember the Marcus Taylor nonsense fondly. Kelvin Torbert, though he wasn't a draft prospect by the time that was over. Maurice Ager was temporarily a lottery guy even though he couldn't score. Gary Harris flamed out his first season pretty impressively.

Even with that knowledge, Adreian Payne has underwhelmed me. Figured for sure he could be a decent third string stretch four but I guess the NBA line is too far outside his range to make that work.

Green's success has gotten Valentine a bunch of hype that I wonder how much he deserves, but at times he was nuts. Some of the draft reports seem to indicate teams are afraid he might be another Green type project that would be dumb to miss. But they also thought that about Dawson.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 14, 2016, 09:53:02 AM
Mateen Cleaves :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 14, 2016, 10:26:23 AM
He was the Pistons pre-game/half-time/post-game analyst then he got arrested for sexual assault on a 24 year old.

Now it's Grant Long!

Quote
On March 16, 2016, Cleaves was charged with unlawful imprisonment, assault with intent to commit criminal sexual penetration, second-degree criminal sexual conduct and two counts of third-degree criminal sexual conduct.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 14, 2016, 12:10:06 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 14, 2016, 10:26:23 AM
He was the Pistons pre-game/half-time/post-game analyst then he got arrested for sexual assault on a 24 year old.

Now it's Grant Long!

Quote
On March 16, 2016, Cleaves was charged with unlawful imprisonment, assault with intent to commit criminal sexual penetration, second-degree criminal sexual conduct and two counts of third-degree criminal sexual conduct.

Yeah I knew that dude. He was always pushy with gals. I have no doubt he did this. It's unfortunate.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: El Babua on May 15, 2016, 06:10:06 PM
Good job, good effort Heat.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: eleuin on May 15, 2016, 06:21:12 PM
go easy on these dinos, lebron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: El Babua on May 15, 2016, 09:04:01 PM
Predictions: Cavs in 5. Lebron gets caught sleeping on the bench in one of these games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 16, 2016, 08:13:03 AM
Quote from: El Babua on May 15, 2016, 09:04:01 PM
Predictions: Cavs in 5. Lebron gets caught sleeping on the bench in one of these games.

Cavs aren't losing a game in the east. Lebrons ego won't let them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 16, 2016, 01:53:33 PM
Raptors played the Cavs very well this year. They won the season series and the Cavs had a hard time stopping Lowry.

The post-season is a different beast though. The Cavs stars will all play heavy minutes. And the smaller cavs rotation has been working wonders.

I'm thinking either 4-1 or 4-2 Cavs.

Cavs fans also should be rooting heavily for the Thunder. Cavs can match Thunder. Warriors not so much.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 16, 2016, 01:58:27 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 16, 2016, 01:53:33 PM
Raptors played the Cavs very well this year. They won the season series and the Cavs had a hard time stopping Lowry.

The post-season is a different beast though. The Cavs stars will all play heavy minutes. And the smaller cavs rotation has been working wonders.

I'm thinking either 4-1 or 4-2 Cavs.

Cavs fans also should be rooting heavily for the Thunder. Cavs can match Thunder. Warriors not so much.

A dead Cavs team took 2 games from Golden State. Don't be so confident bud. I say healthy Cavs are the best team in the playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 16, 2016, 11:36:11 PM
this shot selection  :goty2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 17, 2016, 12:12:58 AM
Thunder won ugly.  Warriors also didn't shoot very well.  I still think warriors win in six, but warriors are definitely Beatable
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 17, 2016, 12:29:48 AM
Some of their wins against the Spurs were of the ugly variety. They find a way to keep doing it though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: El Babua on May 17, 2016, 01:29:12 AM
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/steph-vs-sabo-is-the-closest-well-ever-get-to-a-real-life-goku-vs-vegeta.427481/

:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: VomKriege on May 17, 2016, 03:12:36 AM
So NBA teams are now allowed to have a single, small ad on their jerseys ? How many years before it's as disastrous as football jerseys in Europe ? I'd say 10...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 17, 2016, 08:24:11 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on May 17, 2016, 12:32:48 AM
If Durant goes through LeBron to chip this year :aah

Nobody is beating the Cavs, lol. You're so thirsty. Sorry Lebron will be remembered as a better player than Kobe by everyone else but you.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 17, 2016, 11:11:47 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on May 17, 2016, 11:08:30 AM
It has nothing to do with Kobe. I just want to see KD get revenge for 2012.

It wouldn't kill me to see KD get a title and stay in Okc.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 17, 2016, 08:32:21 PM
Quote
The Philadelphia 76ers, who wrapped up the third year of former GM Sam Hinkie's tanking plan with a league-worst 10-72 record, landed the first pick of the 2016 NBA draft in the league's annual lottery.

Entering the lottery, Philadelphia had an NBA-high 26.9 percent chance of landing the top pick.

The Los Angeles Lakers landed the second pick, with the Boston Celtics drawing the third choice, the Phoenix Suns the fourth and the Minnesota Timberwolves the fifth.

The Sixers, who hired Bryan Colangelo as president of basketball operations, drafted Joel Embiid and Jahlil Okafor in the top three in each of the past two drafts.

Philadelphia entered the lottery hoping the Lakers would not land a top-three pick; due to the protections negotiated into the 2012 Steve Nash trade, the Lakers had to send their pick to the Sixers if it was outside the top three. The Lakers, who finished a dreadful 17-65 and now must transition into the post-Kobe Bryant era, had a 55.8 percent chance to land a top-three pick.

Boston was hoping to strike lottery luck after being haunted by the draft lottery ghosts of Tim Duncan and Len Bias in the past. The Celtics, who had never owned the first overall pick in the draft era, were armed with three first-round picks, including the Brooklyn Nets' pick from the Paul Pierce-Kevin Garnett trade.

Boston, in fact, can swap picks with Brooklyn next year and will have the Nets' first-rounder in 2018 along with Memphis' top-eight protected pick in 2019. The Celtics, who own eight total picks in this draft, have only had a top-four pick four times in the common draft era, selecting Chauncey Billups (1997), Bias (1986), Kevin McHale (1980) and Dave Cowens (1970).


 :goty2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Mandark on May 17, 2016, 08:40:17 PM
HINKIE VINDICATED

TRUST THE PROCESS
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 17, 2016, 08:42:23 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 17, 2016, 08:40:17 PM
HINKIE VINDICATED

TRUST THE PROCESS

I was thinking the same fucking thing, unironically. Outside of the Embid miss they are on their way.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 17, 2016, 08:54:09 PM
Cavs starting out 9/13 and taking the Raptors best shot?

4
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 17, 2016, 09:35:51 PM
Gonna jump out the window and say Simmons will be a disappointment in the NBA.

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 17, 2016, 09:42:45 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 17, 2016, 09:35:51 PM
Gonna jump out the window and say Simmons will be a disappointment in the NBA.

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I agree. Engram is the right pick.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 17, 2016, 09:48:00 PM
My god cleveland
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 17, 2016, 09:48:32 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 17, 2016, 09:48:00 PM
My god cleveland

:hitler

I've been telling y'all.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 17, 2016, 09:49:52 PM
Oh by ththe way, at half. 70% shooting from close.

:mynicca

You can't stop the Prophet.


Edit: or that Nike profit. Damn.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: eleuin on May 17, 2016, 09:52:16 PM
dinos going extinct  :stahp
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 17, 2016, 09:52:59 PM
Quote from: eleuin on May 17, 2016, 09:52:16 PM
dinos going extinct  :stahp
Quote from: eleuin on May 17, 2016, 09:52:16 PM
dinos going extinct  :stahp

Thinking you had a chance

:dunno

You been watching these Cavs? Nobody is beating us.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: eleuin on May 17, 2016, 09:59:42 PM
I didn't think they'd win a game, but at least hoped they'd be somewhat close

no way are the cavs losing a game being well rested and on a shooting streak, raps have looked awful most of the time
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 17, 2016, 10:01:26 PM
Quote from: eleuin on May 17, 2016, 09:59:42 PM
I didn't think they'd win a game, but at least hoped they'd be somewhat close

no way are the cavs losing a game being well rested and on a shooting streak, raps have looked awful most of the time

Quote me now. We won't lose more than 3 games from here on out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 17, 2016, 10:07:26 PM
So far this game is comical.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 17, 2016, 10:08:44 PM
Lebron is 9-9 from the field.

Where's the shooting woes defenders?

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 17, 2016, 10:09:07 PM
Was playing Rocket League. Just tuned in. What's been the story of the game so far?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 17, 2016, 10:10:49 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 17, 2016, 10:09:07 PM
Was playing Rocket League. Just tuned in. What's been the story of the game so far?

Lebron is God.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Mandark on May 17, 2016, 10:21:01 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 17, 2016, 10:08:44 PM
Lebron is 9-9 from the field.

Where's the shooting woes defenders?

(http://i.imgur.com/bmwAWNX.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 17, 2016, 10:22:23 PM
Don't hate. Play defense. Oh wait, they can't.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 17, 2016, 10:54:14 PM
Its hard to bet against these Cavs for the finals now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 17, 2016, 10:59:33 PM
They would destroy OKC.

And I think they at least take GS to 7.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 18, 2016, 07:08:27 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on May 17, 2016, 10:57:26 PM
No way they beat either Golden State or OKC.

You have never, ever, been correct about basketball so thanks for blessing us with a 'chip.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: El Babua on May 18, 2016, 02:19:46 PM
If my basketball dreams are to be believed, Toronto wins the next game 134-123 after coming back from a huge defecit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 18, 2016, 03:07:22 PM
Quote from: El Babua on May 18, 2016, 02:19:46 PM
If my basketball dreams are to be believed, Toronto wins the next game 134-123 after coming back from a huge defecit.


So 121-79 Cavs then.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 18, 2016, 03:12:28 PM
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/13267583_1020799597974057_1253301903_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTI1MjY0NjI5MzMwNDg4MjY3MA%3D%3D.2)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: El Babua on May 18, 2016, 03:21:37 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 18, 2016, 03:07:22 PM
Quote from: El Babua on May 18, 2016, 02:19:46 PM
If my basketball dreams are to be believed, Toronto wins the next game 134-123 after coming back from a huge defecit.


So 121-79 Cavs then.

Nah, Lue will rest his starters by the 4th, so it'll only be 111-89.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: T234 on May 18, 2016, 05:25:24 PM
The finals will be way closer than the ECF is, I can tell ya that. Could go pretty far in either direction in Da Finals.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 18, 2016, 08:09:10 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on May 18, 2016, 03:27:36 PM
Westbrook is a better player than anyone one any team the Cavs have played. Then there's Durant.

Westbrook when he's really on makes a good "best since Jordan" argument.

We have Lebron. Fuck your puddle hoe diatribe you marked ass buster bitch.


Unless you're going to be so stupid as to say Westbrook is better than Bron. Please do that. I need verification that you're a troll and this will be it.

I mean your anti Bron bias probably started when you became a bandwagon heat fan. I get it. You feel left. Get use to it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2016, 09:51:45 PM
Quote
The New York Knicks have reportedly found their next head coach, and it's not someone with strong ties to team president Phil Jackson or the triangle offense.

As first reported by Howard Beck of Bleacher Report, the Knicks are very near an agreement with Jeff Hornacek, most recently of the Phoenix Suns.

From earlier this week:
Quote
Nate McMillan signed a three-year contract to become head coach of the Indiana Pacers, league sources told The Vertical.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2016, 10:31:08 PM
https://twitter.com/Rachel__Nichols/status/733121779531534336/video/1
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 18, 2016, 11:14:18 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 18, 2016, 08:09:10 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on May 18, 2016, 03:27:36 PM
Westbrook is a better player than anyone one any team the Cavs have played. Then there's Durant.

Westbrook when he's really on makes a good "best since Jordan" argument.

We have Lebron. Fuck your puddle hoe diatribe you marked ass buster bitch.


Unless you're going to be so stupid as to say Westbrook is better than Bron. Please do that. I need verification that you're a troll and this will be it.

I mean your anti Bron bias probably started when you became a bandwagon heat fan. I get it. You feel left. Get use to it.

Lord, who shit in your fruit loops breh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 19, 2016, 03:22:19 AM
Funny how basketball works. When the Warriors win games in this series they have the potential to blowout OKC. But when OKC wins its probably going to be a mostly close game. OKC is such an up and down team, the performance they will turn in on any given night feels like a random guess.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 19, 2016, 12:28:14 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15596878/dwight-howard-qa-superman-returns
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 19, 2016, 11:05:50 PM
Quote
Skip Bayless ‏@RealSkipBayless  3m3 minutes ago
LeBron should thank his lucky stars he plays in the Eastern Conference.

 Skip Bayless ‏@RealSkipBayless  4m4 minutes ago
No superstar has ever had an easier path to Finals than LeBron: Detroit was too young, Atl/Toronto have no stars, DWade lost Bosh&Whiteside.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: dkdk on May 19, 2016, 11:25:16 PM
The Least  :stahp

Contract the whole conference bar the Cavs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 19, 2016, 11:35:25 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 19, 2016, 11:05:50 PM
Quote
Skip Bayless ‏@RealSkipBayless  3m3 minutes ago
LeBron should thank his lucky stars he plays in the Eastern Conference.

 Skip Bayless ‏@RealSkipBayless  4m4 minutes ago
No superstar has ever had an easier path to Finals than LeBron: Detroit was too young, Atl/Toronto have no stars, DWade lost Bosh&Whiteside.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYOA_ciyS6c
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 20, 2016, 12:58:43 AM
Warriors have had just as easy a path to the finals until the conference games...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Mandark on May 20, 2016, 01:14:51 AM
LeBron's benefited from being in the East, but he's also had to carry some teams that were pretty garbage in retrospect.

Plus we never give Magic Johnson shit for how bad the West was in the 80's.  There are a few years when the Lakers never played a 50-win team before the Finals.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 20, 2016, 06:24:59 AM
People like to make excuses for Lebron's dominance. Hell go no farther than Walrus in this thread.

Keep piling them up though,  it's cute. 10-0
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2016, 11:45:58 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15617204/lebron-james-dwyane-wade-friendship-enrages-nba
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 20, 2016, 11:47:56 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2016, 11:45:58 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15617204/lebron-james-dwyane-wade-friendship-enrages-nba

I doubt that. Who gives a fuck about who people are friends with. ESPN click drivel here. Move along.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2016, 11:59:50 AM
Why don't you actually read the article and gain some insight potentially into their relationship. That would be novel. (Even as a former athlete) It's not a bad article. It's mostly just interviewing Wade and Bron about their friendship. Not everything is agenda driven even with a click bait title.

A better title would be the friendship enrages Old School types. They use Cedric Maxwell as that example.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 20, 2016, 01:13:25 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2016, 11:59:50 AM
Why don't you actually read the article and gain some insight potentially into their relationship. That would be novel. (Even as a former athlete) It's not a bad article. It's mostly just interviewing Wade and Bron about their friendship. Not everything is agenda driven even with a click bait title.

A better title would be the friendship enrages Old School types. They use Cedric Maxwell as that example.

I read it this morning.

Barkley is mad.

(https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/barkley-jordan.jpeg?w=300&h=200)

Which is pretty ironic because he tried to suck mike's dick his entire career.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Syph on May 21, 2016, 10:57:16 PM
Lowry played like garbage but Raptors deserved that one
Derozan stepped up and Biyombo was crazy with those rebounds
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: eleuin on May 21, 2016, 11:08:35 PM
 :preach

not a sweep
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2016, 11:43:57 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on May 21, 2016, 11:25:23 PM
Yo AIA, Stoney, how DeRozan's dick taste?

 :iface

Boy you must really masturbate yourself to your Kobe idol at night. But since I predicted a 4-1 or 4-2 series the dick actually tastes pretty good!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: T234 on May 22, 2016, 12:47:10 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2016, 11:43:57 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on May 21, 2016, 11:25:23 PM
Yo AIA, Stoney, how DeRozan's dick taste?

 :iface

Boy you must really masturbate yourself to your Kobe idol at night. But since I predicted a 4-1 or 4-2 series the dick actually tastes pretty good!

NewsQuote worthy.


Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2016, 01:15:56 AM
On a serious note good for the Raptors. Nobody wants to go out like that.

For the Cavs they can take comfort in that it took wretched games from Love and Kyrie to get a raptors win. 4-28 combined for them. That is unlikely to happen again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 22, 2016, 02:15:24 AM
Wombo Biyombo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 22, 2016, 11:47:49 AM
Not much you can do when two of your best players can't hit shit. Frye wasn't hitting much when it counted either
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 22, 2016, 12:22:31 PM
Cavs played flat except Lebron. That's on Lebron. He needs to come correct game 4.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 22, 2016, 01:12:40 PM
Raptors just wanted it more :skip
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 22, 2016, 09:12:35 PM
Oh shit. GSW getting bucked. Walrus choke yourself if you're okay.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2016, 09:30:20 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 19, 2016, 03:22:19 AM
Funny how basketball works. When the Warriors win games in this series they have the potential to blowout OKC. But when OKC wins its probably going to be a mostly close game.

 :ufup
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 22, 2016, 09:43:27 PM
I didn't waste time posting the tweets at the time but after game 2 Jason Whitlock was shitting on Durant saying he was the dumbest (bball IQ wise) super star in the NBA, and it's what separates him from LeBron.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: naff on May 22, 2016, 09:47:13 PM
wow wtf is happening

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m1TSEH7Fas

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2016, 09:51:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyKYiC7lHvY
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: naff on May 22, 2016, 10:00:37 PM
Wasn't caught on camera clearly but Draymond kneed him in the balls on a layup in game 2 as well :piss Draymond.

Was the second time he went off after Ezeli landed on him...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Your Stalker on May 22, 2016, 10:02:11 PM
the dubs are getting bodied into a different plane of existence
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2016, 10:03:19 PM
Quote from: Butt Seriously on May 22, 2016, 10:00:37 PM
Wasn't caught on camera clearly but Draymond kneed him in the balls on a layup in game 2 as well :piss Draymond.

Was the second time he went off after Ezeli landed on him...

I don't remotely see how they don't suspend him for the next game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 22, 2016, 10:11:44 PM
Stony feeling like me yesterday. I know them feels.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 22, 2016, 10:37:27 PM
yooooo thunder murked then tonight

Can you imagine if it ends up being thunder raptors
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: bluemax on May 22, 2016, 11:18:50 PM
I don't want to live in a world where the Zombies have an NBA title.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 23, 2016, 12:09:17 AM
Figured OKC could win but didn't expect a blowout. Really impressed by OKC's transition defense. Seems like this is what Popovich wanted to do but the Spurs were too old to pull it off. I'm thinking back to that regular season game towards the end of the season when Pop called a timeout super early in the first quarter after slow transitions led to some huge three pointers.



Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Syph on May 23, 2016, 02:47:40 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 22, 2016, 10:37:27 PM
yooooo thunder murked then tonight

Can you imagine if it ends up being thunder raptors
no
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: naff on May 23, 2016, 02:53:37 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/tim_cato/status/734590261859323905 (https://mobile.twitter.com/tim_cato/status/734590261859323905)

(https://pbs-0.twimg.com/media/CjHJ5K7WEAEmXTM.jpg)

OK draymond.

https://youtu.be/eKgPY1adc0A

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 23, 2016, 09:59:00 AM
Man if he gets suspended for the next game in OKC...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: El Babua on May 23, 2016, 01:28:28 PM
OKC gotta treat game 4 like 7.

If they win it all, I'd put this run up there with the 95 Rockets as the GOAT playoff run.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Brehvolution on May 23, 2016, 02:48:15 PM
Why do they keep calling Joakim Noah Steven Adams? :noah
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: naff on May 23, 2016, 05:23:44 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 23, 2016, 09:59:00 AM
Man if he gets suspended for the next game in OKC...

I'd bet good money on hearing it announced soon. So clear, and the precedent's obvious. Can't stand the Warriors, i hope OKC demolish their team and put them down as one of the biggest chokers in NBA history.

Also, not traditionally an OKC fan, but Adams is probably the biggest sports star to ever come from our country now (will def be the highest paid by a wide margin next year), so i gotta support 'em because misguided nationalism.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 23, 2016, 05:51:52 PM
I have a feeling he won't. Not sure if NBA has the balls to do it no pun intended.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Beezy on May 23, 2016, 07:08:24 PM
https://twitter.com/TEN000HOURS/status/734825505971544064

So... unintentional, but he should still stop doing that shit.

Edit: No suspension - https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/734884708031463424
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 23, 2016, 07:50:13 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on May 23, 2016, 05:58:53 PM
If he does that to LeBron in the Finals :aah

I don't even hate the guy that much, but the optics of LeBron getting kicked in the dick would be so amazing.

I've seen you call for political folks to be struck down with brain cancer and aneurysms but this is the first time you've gone too far sir. No real man wishes a fellow man gets kicked in the dick.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: naff on May 23, 2016, 07:51:17 PM
 :PP

Lookin forward to stache bros coming down hard on these naf goatee toting cacs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: El Babua on May 23, 2016, 08:29:14 PM
So apparently Dray didn't get suspended.

I think GS should be even more scared now, cause the Thunder are gonna come out pissed af.

Also, I don't think even the Big 3 Heat would get away with what GS is getting away with. :smug

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 23, 2016, 09:38:53 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on May 23, 2016, 05:58:53 PM
If he does that to LeBron in the Finals :aah

I don't even hate the guy that much, but the optics of LeBron getting kicked in the dick would be so amazing.

Are him and LeBron even going to be sitting near each other in the stands, tho?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 23, 2016, 11:00:54 PM
Uh...anyone else think the cavs are fucked?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 23, 2016, 11:13:48 PM
no
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 23, 2016, 11:15:09 PM
no

btw remember when Stephen A said the series was over. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: eleuin on May 23, 2016, 11:21:44 PM
cavs will still win the series but I don't think they're beating either western team
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2016, 12:55:31 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 23, 2016, 11:00:54 PM
Uh...anyone else think the cavs are fucked?

I'm normally the super pessimistic one but I think they should still be fine. I think people just underestimated the raptors.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2016, 08:48:46 AM
https://streamable.com/13l5
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 24, 2016, 09:11:45 PM
:leon

OKC looking good early
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2016, 09:17:41 PM
If Warriors lose this series after that season...

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2016, 10:10:38 PM
OKC just puts on these runs and goes nuts.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 24, 2016, 10:17:21 PM
Can you guys imagine the Finals actually being Raptors/Thunder?  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Beezy on May 24, 2016, 10:32:07 PM
Cavs aren't beating a team that manages to go through Spurs and GSW.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 24, 2016, 10:59:42 PM
Eh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2016, 11:11:41 PM
Steph 4 of 17.

2 of 10 on 3 pointers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 24, 2016, 11:19:47 PM
Damn.  This is nuts
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: eleuin on May 24, 2016, 11:21:26 PM
Maybe a good thing green wasn't suspended, dude is fucking shit right now
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: TVC15 on May 24, 2016, 11:25:20 PM
Warriors played this like someone forced them to listen to The Division Bell before the game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 24, 2016, 11:26:51 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/5RCtr9B.jpg)

 :woody

Quote from: TVC 15 on May 24, 2016, 11:25:20 PM
Warriors played this like someone forced them to listen to The Division Bell before the game.

:ufup
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 24, 2016, 11:26:56 PM
Man fuck it go Thunder

Durant get your ring
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: eleuin on May 24, 2016, 11:32:25 PM
Sonics finally going to chip  :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: TVC15 on May 24, 2016, 11:37:07 PM
Bummer. If the Warriors won the championship, the parade would be like a block away from my apartment. In all the excitement, it would have been a great opportunity to abduct someone :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 24, 2016, 11:39:54 PM
Actually that was a question I had.  Does the parade happen in both Oakland and San Francisco, or just Oakland?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge...)
Post by: TVC15 on May 24, 2016, 11:43:12 PM
It was just Oakland last year. I'd imagine it would be the same this year, since the official move is still a few years off, right?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 24, 2016, 11:53:44 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 24, 2016, 10:17:21 PM
Can you guys imagine the Finals actually being Raptors/Thunder?  :lol

Etiolet's Revenge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge...)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 25, 2016, 01:22:47 AM
https://twitter.com/GuyHaberman/status/735324922910760960
 :lol :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge...)
Post by: naff on May 25, 2016, 04:44:38 AM
Damn, that clip is kinda heart breaking....

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:neogaf
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge...)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 25, 2016, 09:42:57 AM
Poor Klay  :lol

Dude tried his best to get the team back in it.  When your star is playing the worst game of his year and your third man is too busy punching nads, there's only so much you can do.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge...)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 25, 2016, 10:11:08 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 25, 2016, 09:42:57 AM
Poor Klay  :lol

Dude tried his best to get the team back in it.  When your star is playing the worst game of his year and your third man is too busy punching nads, there's only so much you can do.

I am still scratching my head about what is happening to golden state. The only thing I can come up with is they can't handle adversity. I mean when is the last time they had too? They weren't really favored going into last years playoffs, right? The regular season is just that, regular. I think they rested on their laurels and got caught looking ahead to the Cavs and now don't know a way to get back on track.

Stunning turn of events.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge...)
Post by: Brehvolution on May 25, 2016, 11:28:27 AM
Live by the jumper, die by the jumper. If the baskets aren't dropping and there is no inside presence then you won't do well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge...)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 25, 2016, 11:39:01 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1teaSWVNQH4
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge...)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 25, 2016, 09:05:49 PM
Cavs jump on em in that first quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge...)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 25, 2016, 09:40:57 PM
Crushing it
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge...)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 25, 2016, 10:07:19 PM
Cavs  :)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge...)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 26, 2016, 12:44:32 AM
God I'm even starting to ask how much the NBA tailors the playoffs.

Impossible to be this good after being so bad.

I'm drunk but, the fuck?


Edit I was first row. This isn't even remotely the Cavs team that went to Toronto. Confidence was on point when Love told Lebron to feed him rocks in the first huddle.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge...)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 26, 2016, 12:56:32 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on May 26, 2016, 12:49:04 AM
Stern didn't really retire.

Shut up.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge...)
Post by: dkdk on May 26, 2016, 05:51:01 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 25, 2016, 10:11:08 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 25, 2016, 09:42:57 AM
Poor Klay  :lol

Dude tried his best to get the team back in it.  When your star is playing the worst game of his year and your third man is too busy punching nads, there's only so much you can do.

I am still scratching my head about what is happening to golden state. The only thing I can come up with is they can't handle adversity. I mean when is the last time they had too? They weren't really favored going into last years playoffs, right? The regular season is just that, regular. I think they rested on their laurels and got caught looking ahead to the Cavs and now don't know a way to get back on track.

Stunning turn of events.

Well OKC did almost break them mentally in that "I am not a robot" game. They do something to Kerr and Draymond that you cant really quantify. In retrospect that game shouldve been a neon red warning sign

Kerr just has no answers whatsoever when I think you have to start with putting the ball back in Currys hands and just hide him on Robertson defensively. This off the ball shit aint gonna work if the refs are going to let OKC maul him every play like they have so far.

Then Draymond...this dude has turned into all 3 characters in the wizard of oz almost overnight. Totally out of character from what Ive seen of him at MSU and now GSW.

Other than that you just have to hope max deal Barnes decides to show up and that Klay doesnt turn back into a playoff pumpkin. If they can get it to 7 theyll win but they just look spent and I think its a wrap tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge...)
Post by: TVC15 on May 26, 2016, 10:27:17 AM
If the Warriors lose tonight, I will eat no less than 3 pounds of Mexican food.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I do that basically every night anyway :( [/quote]
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge...)
Post by: benjipwns on May 26, 2016, 06:30:51 PM
Quote
The Rockets are finalizing a deal to make Mike D'Antoni their next head coach, according to multiple sources.

(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjakLKSWYAELDeY.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge...)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2016, 09:38:06 PM
GS shooting lights out...and only up 1.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge...)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 26, 2016, 09:50:32 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 26, 2016, 06:30:51 PM
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjakLKSWYAELDeY.jpg)

Harden didn't make any of the All-NBA teams despite statistically having a season worthy of it. He's really become a divisive figure. Quite a change from how beloved he was in OKC.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge...)
Post by: Beezy on May 26, 2016, 10:15:37 PM
I hated him in OKC and I hate him in Houston. :idont
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge...)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 26, 2016, 10:46:20 PM
Close game going into the 4th quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge...)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2016, 11:24:32 PM
Westbrook played like trash and yet it was a close game throughout. I'd feel good going back home to OKC.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge...)
Post by: El Babua on May 27, 2016, 03:11:05 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2016, 11:24:32 PM
Westbrook played like trash and yet it was a close game throughout. I'd feel good going back home to OKC.

Considering how OKC responded the last 2 times they got blown out, I'd rather have them feeling confident if I was GS.  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge...)
Post by: benjipwns on May 27, 2016, 01:19:47 PM
If the Cavs or Thunder win, I think it will be the first time rookie head coaches won the title in back-to-back years.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge...)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 27, 2016, 08:47:47 PM
Lebron is getting off early.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge...)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 27, 2016, 10:53:04 PM
Series went about as expected. On to the finals.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge...)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 27, 2016, 10:59:56 PM
Sit your ass down drake.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge...)
Post by: Mandark on May 28, 2016, 12:27:44 AM
https://vine.co/v/i9V1JJ1re9e

:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors on the verge...)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2016, 08:42:43 AM
Lebron was nasty in that Raptors series.

Shot 62%

Average 26.0 ppg 8.5 rebs 6.7 ast.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Thunder Game 6 Tonight)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 28, 2016, 09:31:56 AM
That real mvp.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Thunder Game 6 Tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2016, 11:23:09 PM
Klay Thompson

 :o
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Thunder Game 6 Tonight)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 28, 2016, 11:23:26 PM
Klay Thompson is saving Curry tonight.  If the Warriors win...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Thunder Game 6 Tonight)
Post by: eleuin on May 28, 2016, 11:23:36 PM
klay on fire and okc cant hit fts smh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Thunder Game 6 Tonight)
Post by: benjipwns on May 28, 2016, 11:38:40 PM
Quote
"Don't let the pretty shot fool you, that's heart." - @realchriswebber on @KlayThompson
:hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Thunder Game 6 Tonight)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 28, 2016, 11:38:46 PM
Warriors :aah
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Thunder Game 6 Tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2016, 11:38:46 PM
Thunder collapse
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Thunder Game 6 Tonight)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 28, 2016, 11:40:48 PM
Durant played like garbage.  Can't believe they're gonna let GS do this to them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Thunder Game 6 Tonight)
Post by: TVC15 on May 28, 2016, 11:40:52 PM
There's craziness going on at the bar across from my apartment.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Thunders on the verge.....of a meltdown)
Post by: Mandark on May 28, 2016, 11:42:08 PM
PLAYOFF BASKETBALL
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Thunders on the verge.....of a meltdown)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2016, 11:42:55 PM
Iggy was insane on d down the stretch.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Thunder on the verge.....of a meltdown)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 29, 2016, 12:04:35 AM
It's over.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Thunder on the verge.....of a meltdown)
Post by: eleuin on May 29, 2016, 12:52:29 AM
Don't think CLE can get in a shootout with GS

Even if its like today where its the klay show for 3 quarters until curry wakes up
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Thunder on the verge.....of a meltdown)
Post by: Syph on May 29, 2016, 02:02:39 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBQ2mjkvYY8
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Thunder on the verge.....of a meltdown)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2016, 10:04:49 PM
48-42 at half. OKC will choke it before its over.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Thunder on the verge.....of a meltdown)
Post by: El Babua on May 30, 2016, 10:15:08 PM
Durant hasn't shot much.

It can go either way with him in the 2nd half, and that will determine how the series ends.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Thunder on the verge.....of a meltdown)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 30, 2016, 10:51:51 PM
As Big Boss from The Coli would say, it's over.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Thunder on the verge.....of a meltdown)
Post by: Your Stalker on May 30, 2016, 10:54:46 PM
the coli is flabby and sick right now
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Thunder on the verge.....of a meltdown)
Post by: eleuin on May 30, 2016, 11:16:47 PM
Based god never loses

Durant needs to fix his shit before leaving for another team
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Repeat Title Game-Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2016, 11:37:52 PM
The thunder played better than most expected. They certainly were the favorite to win it at one point. But the Warriors just out execute everybody when it matters and they always have that wonderful 3 point shooting to fall back on.

I'm rooting for the Cavs of course but even as well as they've played this playoffs, it hard to see them matching the shots down the stretch the Warriors will make. I'll say Warriors in a 4-2 or 4-3 series.

The key for the Cavs will be Love. He's the question mark. He's the one that tends to either have a solid game or just a god awful game. And he's going to have his hands full with Draymond or whoever he has to "guard" on the Warriors.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Repeat Title Game-Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 31, 2016, 12:20:04 AM
Draymond's been trash for the better part of these playoffs. If anything, these cavs have the shooting to at least mitigate the runs steph and klay go on; they won't generate 84 fewer points from deep over the course of two games . We've seen how golden state struggles against tall teams who hit the offensive glass, I'd be more concerned about how Cleveland plans on winning the rebounding battle.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Repeat Title Game-Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Rman on May 31, 2016, 07:01:57 AM
What a choke by Oklahoma.  Wow.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Repeat Title Game-Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Brehvolution on May 31, 2016, 09:14:14 AM
Great game. That high backboard layup at the end of the first half by Curry was sick. :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Repeat Title Game-Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 31, 2016, 10:47:55 AM
Well it's the series we all expected in the beginning of the year.

Healthy Cavs versus Healthy GS

Has the potential to be a classic.

 :gladbron :gladbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Repeat Title Game-Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2016, 11:35:39 AM
http://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/david-blatt-to-return-to-europe-coach-turkey/306461

Looks like Blatt's NBA journey is done.

Also

Quote
TNT's 11.2 overnight raing for Warriors-Thunder Game 7 last night marks the NBA's highest-rated game ever on cable TV
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Repeat Title Game-Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 31, 2016, 08:37:05 PM
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1226092


Two things;

1) The group mind at GAF is distinguished mentally-challenged.

2) Cavs in 6. King isn't losing this time, not with a healthy and rested squad.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Repeat Title Game-Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 02, 2016, 03:06:21 PM
What a time to be alive

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/happens-nba-finals-everybody-gets-142630345.html

Quote
But there’s one NBA Finals wager that could pay off for you even if you don’t place a single bet. Taco Bell recently announced a “Steal a Game, Steal a Taco” promotion, promising that if any team “steals a game” in the series—meaning that a visiting team wins on the home team’s court—participating Taco Bell locations across the land will pay off to the tune of one free Doritos Locos Taco per person. If you’re wondering, the fine print explains that customers would indeed get their choice of Doritos-flavored tacos. You can pick either Fiery Doritos, Cool Ranch, or the original Nacho Cheese.

 :preach
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Repeat Title Game-Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 02, 2016, 03:13:15 PM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on June 02, 2016, 03:06:21 PM
What a time to be alive

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/happens-nba-finals-everybody-gets-142630345.html

Quote
But there’s one NBA Finals wager that could pay off for you even if you don’t place a single bet. Taco Bell recently announced a “Steal a Game, Steal a Taco” promotion, promising that if any team “steals a game” in the series—meaning that a visiting team wins on the home team’s court—participating Taco Bell locations across the land will pay off to the tune of one free Doritos Locos Taco per person. If you’re wondering, the fine print explains that customers would indeed get their choice of Doritos-flavored tacos. You can pick either Fiery Doritos, Cool Ranch, or the original Nacho Cheese.

 :preach

And people question if there is a God above us.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Repeat Title Game-Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 02, 2016, 09:18:02 PM
cavs frontcourt is getting shredded
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Repeat Title Game-Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 02, 2016, 09:22:14 PM
cavs look like trash
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Repeat Title Game-Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 02, 2016, 09:31:14 PM
cavs d looks really really bad
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Repeat Title Game-Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 02, 2016, 10:14:27 PM
Steph and Klay have shot like shit and they're still up 9, warriors bench showing up is not a good sign for cleveland

the offense needs to run through lebron, not kyrie; he was getting looks in the first quarter and producing, they need more of that
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Repeat Title Game-Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: eleuin on June 02, 2016, 10:23:13 PM
Even the cavs offense has looked like shit gg
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Repeat Title Game-Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: dkdk on June 02, 2016, 11:14:45 PM
this is why i could never entertain this series as the cavs actually having a chance. the warriors roster is just too fucking thorough. kerr still has the fucking splash bros in his back pocket ffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Repeat Title Game-Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 02, 2016, 11:31:53 PM
Not a lot there to give confidence to a cavs fan. I just don't think they match up well against the Warriors.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Repeat Title Game-Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 02, 2016, 11:34:52 PM
It's over.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Repeat Title Game-Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: eleuin on June 02, 2016, 11:55:09 PM
10 points from the cavs bench wtf

Sweep incoming
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Repeat Title Game-Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 03, 2016, 12:14:47 AM
I'm seeing a fair amount of "Warriors were getting every shot they wanted" but for a lot of those perimeter jumpers they weren't even working for them, Cleveland was either fucking up switches/assignments/rotations or just straight up giving them open looks
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Repeat Title Game-Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: dkdk on June 03, 2016, 12:21:37 AM
its only so many holes (and lord knows there were a lot of them) you can patch up before the warriors just open up new ones tho. after facing OKC trees their offense ran like butter tonight bar like 5 mins in the 3rd where they went to sleep.

honestly the biggest defensive help might be telling kyrie to chill the fuck out on offense. breh played like he was on speed tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Repeat Title Game-Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: bluemax on June 03, 2016, 12:31:31 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on June 02, 2016, 11:18:58 PM
Klay Thompson really made those strides that other white shooters like Morrison and Reddick could never make in terms of being able to create his own offense.

Edit: this went from a close game to a blowout very quickly.

Klay Thompson isn't white though!

Also Redick had a better 3pt% and eFG% than Thompson this year. Just saying.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Repeat Title Game-Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Syph on June 03, 2016, 01:14:14 AM
heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Repeat Title Game-Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: naff on June 03, 2016, 01:59:23 AM
Quote from: bluemax on June 03, 2016, 12:31:31 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on June 02, 2016, 11:18:58 PM
Klay Thompson really made those strides that other white shooters like Morrison and Reddick could never make in terms of being able to create his own offense.

Edit: this went from a close game to a blowout very quickly.

Klay Thompson isn't white though!

The corny goatee effect. Gsw stylin like a bunch of redneck hicks brehs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Repeat Title Game-Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 05, 2016, 09:56:15 PM
when Barnes is bad he's so bad brehs

Draymond fmvp imminent
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Repeat Title Game-Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: eleuin on June 05, 2016, 09:57:39 PM
this series is actually over
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Repeat Title Game-Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2016, 09:59:41 PM
Yep
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Repeat Title Game-Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: dkdk on June 05, 2016, 10:02:10 PM
contract the east please :stahp
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Repeat Title Game-Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Your Stalker on June 05, 2016, 10:02:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7--cBpWnJs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Repeat Title Game-Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 05, 2016, 10:03:03 PM
At least we'll get a Taco for Game 3.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: benjipwns on June 05, 2016, 10:05:10 PM
Quote
Skip Bayless
@RealSkipBayless


I see no reason the Cavs can't win Games 3 & 4 at home ... if they REALLY WANT TO. Their leaders LeBron & Kyrie must LEAD THEM.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: Your Stalker on June 05, 2016, 10:08:02 PM
butt srsly how much money has barnes lost during these 'offs

or would a team like the suns or pelicans still be dumb enough to max him out? (http://i.imgur.com/swhpI6c.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 05, 2016, 10:08:17 PM
It depends on whether they want it more.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: dkdk on June 05, 2016, 10:19:12 PM
Quote from: Your Stalker on June 05, 2016, 10:08:02 PM
butt srsly how much money has barnes lost during these 'offs

or would a team like the suns or pelicans still be dumb enough to max him out? (http://i.imgur.com/swhpI6c.png)

none. somebody gonna be dumb enough to give him a max. might even be MJ. tarheels gotta look out for each other.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: naff on June 05, 2016, 10:32:48 PM
NBA might have to start implementing some affirmative action measures for these east coast teams
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: Syph on June 06, 2016, 12:31:49 AM
Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on June 05, 2016, 10:47:11 PM
Be a Cleveland sports fan, brehs.
cavs need manziel
at least he could complete a pass
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Repeat Title Game-Cavs versus Warriors)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 06, 2016, 12:53:37 AM
Quote from: Your Stalker on June 05, 2016, 10:02:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7--cBpWnJs
fuck you, I haven't heard this in years and didn't want to ever again
:stahp

but yea, it's over
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: dkdk on June 06, 2016, 01:29:14 AM
woooooooooooow i did not know that was friggin Kurupt  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: Your Stalker on June 06, 2016, 04:49:58 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BGTEhCbIC8A/

iggy :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 06, 2016, 10:35:34 AM
Watched until GoT was on. Flipped back after it was over and the cavs were down 20. Turned the TV off and played some vidya.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: eleuin on June 06, 2016, 01:30:02 PM
GM LeBron has to be up there as one of the worst of all time

Pay Tristan Thompson 13 million a year brehs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 06, 2016, 05:37:29 PM
this is all just the worst
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 06, 2016, 06:09:14 PM
Unless GS gets broken up by free agency/trades or suffers massive injuries I really don't see the Cavs winning a championship in 2-3 years Bron has left before he really falls off the skill cliff. Not to mention the Spurs have the potential to quickly reload and return to the finals, where they'd likely be better than the Cavs too.

Gonna be real interesting to see what Durant does. Perhaps the close series helped convince him OKC is heading in the right direction. Imagine if he joined the Spurs though. Or what if he joins an eastern conference team (Boston and Washington have been discussed iirc).
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: Mandark on June 06, 2016, 06:26:11 PM
I expect, like a lot of people, that KD will sign a one year deal with OKC.

Because of salary cap rules, he can make a LOT more money from a contract starting in 2017 than 2016.  He'd also be able to coordinate his free agency with Westbrook's, if he wanted.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 06, 2016, 06:33:36 PM
Better LeBron stays in the east to at least continue his dominance there.  Golden State certainly appears unbeatable until Curry gets into his 30s.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 06, 2016, 06:34:54 PM
OKC is contending right now and, pace durant's and westbrook's free agency decisions, will continue to contend for a few more years. No team, not even in the east, has a roster as good and as young as what Durant already has in Oklahoma City. That, plus what Mandark outlined above, makes a one year deal make way too much sense for him to even consider moving. The San Antonio and Golden State rumors feel like pipe dreams. If he does move, it makes more sense to do it next year

fwiw, I think a healthy Memphis/LAC would have real shots at beating these cavs in a best of 7
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 06, 2016, 09:41:45 PM
Lebron will play for GS next season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 06, 2016, 09:49:17 PM
Quote from: Brehvolution on June 06, 2016, 09:41:45 PM
Lebron will play for GS next season.

All bullshit aside, if we get swept i will put Lebron's departure percentage at 55%
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: Syph on June 06, 2016, 11:22:06 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on June 06, 2016, 06:34:54 PM
OKC is contending right now and, pace durant's and westbrook's free agency decisions, will continue to contend for a few more years. No team, not even in the east, has a roster as good and as young as what Durant already has in Oklahoma City. That, plus what Mandark outlined above, makes a one year deal make way too much sense for him to even consider moving. The San Antonio and Golden State rumors feel like pipe dreams. If he does move, it makes more sense to do it next year

fwiw, I think a healthy Memphis/LAC would have real shots at beating these cavs in a best of 7
Memphis? That's a bit much I think
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: bluemax on June 07, 2016, 02:48:16 AM
Quote from: eleuin on June 06, 2016, 01:30:02 PM
GM LeBron has to be up there as one of the worst of all time

Pay Tristan Thompson 13 million a year brehs

GM Lebron or GM Doc, who is worse.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: dkdk on June 07, 2016, 10:55:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSOSHeHyKCY&feature=youtu.be&t=37

cavs ded man walking  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: naff on June 08, 2016, 09:58:20 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/cJkKIEN.png)

It's taken a bad game from GSW for the Cavs to be up here, betting on GSW to crush some dreams in the second half :p
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2016, 09:58:59 PM
Cavs are going to lose this game
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 08, 2016, 09:59:39 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2016, 09:58:59 PM
Cavs are going to lose this game

Avatar bet a horses ass you wrong?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2016, 10:01:03 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 08, 2016, 09:59:39 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2016, 09:58:59 PM
Cavs are going to lose this game

Avatar bet a horses ass you wrong?

Sure let's go.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 08, 2016, 10:01:35 PM
LOL

We are so much better with Lebron at the 4 that love is gone after this season, watch.

Love for Butler anyone?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: naff on June 08, 2016, 10:14:46 PM
I mean, that's a really strange stat sheet for GSW and Cleveland. No way they keep up that 3% and i cant see the cac bros playing this bad down the stretch  :yeshrug

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 08, 2016, 10:20:37 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 08, 2016, 10:01:35 PM
LOL

We are so much better with Lebron at the 4 that love is gone after this season, watch.

Love for Butler anyone?

LeBron is playing like garbage right now.  Love would at least have a few threes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 08, 2016, 10:46:16 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 08, 2016, 10:20:37 PM
Love would at least have a few threes.

 :goty2

Anyway nice win tonight but it doesn't change the fact that they have to win in Oakland where they've played terrible.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2016, 10:51:08 PM
come on warriors
:tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: naff on June 08, 2016, 11:01:17 PM
 :neogaf

:brazilcry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 08, 2016, 11:28:17 PM
I take back everything AiA
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: dkdk on June 08, 2016, 11:31:27 PM
that concussion is going to hang around for a while  :lol

dubs just werent prepared for the cavs intensity tonight. for such a great team they are just really prone to letting off the gas. they should've been ready to crush a city tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: TVC15 on June 08, 2016, 11:37:48 PM
What the fuck was that?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 08, 2016, 11:40:12 PM
Quote
Bill Simmons ‏@BillSimmons  16m16 minutes ago
Cavs are in same spot with Love as GSW was with David Lee during 14-15 season - it's clear what they should do, but will they do it?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 09, 2016, 07:12:47 AM
Quote from: dkdk on June 08, 2016, 11:31:27 PM
that concussion is going to hang around for a while  :lol

dubs just werent prepared for the cavs intensity tonight. for such a great team they are just really prone to letting off the gas. they should've been ready to crush a city tonight.

If Lebron stays are the 4 I don't think it's going to be nearly as easy to "crush a city" as you think.

evidence: A 30 point asswhipping.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 09, 2016, 07:13:26 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2016, 10:01:03 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 08, 2016, 09:59:39 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2016, 09:58:59 PM
Cavs are going to lose this game

Avatar bet a horses ass you wrong?

Sure let's go.

Make it happen, nicca.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2016, 07:20:31 AM
PM it to me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 09, 2016, 07:21:12 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2016, 07:20:31 AM
PM it to me.

(http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/383/ee3/c83/resized/donald-trump-horse-s-ass-meme-generator-i-m-donald-trump-and-you-re-not-19f883.jpg?1437529472.jpg)

:hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: Steve Contra on June 09, 2016, 02:31:08 PM
Jesus that was a fucking awful game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2016, 08:52:40 PM
Quote
Kevin Love will come off the bench tonight for the Cavs. It's his first game as a reserve since April 14, 2010 -- his second season in the league with the Timberwolves.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2016, 09:28:52 PM
Kevin Love is playing real physical.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 10, 2016, 09:43:00 PM
he's heading back to the locker room
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 10, 2016, 09:49:24 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on June 10, 2016, 09:43:00 PM
he's heading back to the locker room
and now he's back out? and looks bad again

Barnes is complete trash
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2016, 09:55:20 PM
LeBron playing passive as fuck.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 10, 2016, 10:08:04 PM
This game is boring
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 10, 2016, 10:50:41 PM
gs finally got some stops and started rebounding

Turns out they're pretty alright shooters
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 10, 2016, 11:08:48 PM
Lebron needs to play lights out this quarter.  He's not getting any help from Love or Jefferson and Kyrie can only do so much
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 10, 2016, 11:09:38 PM
Also why has Mozgov not played
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 10, 2016, 11:21:57 PM
welp this game is over

at least you took one cleveland
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 10, 2016, 11:26:40 PM
aboslutely awful offensive possesions by the cavs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2016, 11:38:34 PM
LeBron...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 10, 2016, 11:42:31 PM
fuck lebron's FTs, fuck draymond green, fuck steph curry, and fuck godawful low-tier Lebron iso offense

just a terrible fourth quarter collapse
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 11, 2016, 12:25:27 AM
His era? He's 30 and still looks pretty amazing
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 11, 2016, 12:27:31 AM
Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on June 11, 2016, 12:03:29 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2016, 11:38:34 PM
LeBron...

Dude can't seem to deal with the fact that his era is over.

Could be worse, he could be Carmelo Anthony

Lol ok dude
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: El Babua on June 11, 2016, 12:58:02 AM
Free Doritos Taco brehs :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: dkdk on June 11, 2016, 01:37:03 AM
Lebron of all people whining about the refs. Now thats fucking rich.

He's mentally finished in this series. Draymond putting his dirty feet all on the couches in Lebrons mind.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 11, 2016, 01:44:16 AM
That shit was hilarious, Bron barking at him while he walks away like 'my work here is done'

Also wrath I get the lebron hate but be realistic, the man is insanely good at basketball and maybe not at his peak but still in his prime years. The MVP argument is debatable as is his ability as a captain/PC but name five players he wouldn't roast one on one
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 11, 2016, 02:00:44 AM
LeBron played passive as hell for much of the game. Not what you want to see from your best player in a must win game. Now the series is virtually over.

These dudes aren't winning a championship unless someone Tonya Hardings Curry's knees.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 11, 2016, 06:28:29 PM
Drunk me took it at face value I guess  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: dkdk on June 12, 2016, 02:42:00 PM
Draymond suspended.
Bron bitchassness paid off.
Warriors still gonna win tomorrow.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: naff on June 12, 2016, 06:53:38 PM
Should've happened in the previous series... I'm happy to see him get what he deserves. Still mad about okc  :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: naff on June 12, 2016, 07:00:25 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkxXVxqUkAAMaYb.jpg)

https://vine.co/v/i39JrjLPHM7
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 12, 2016, 07:08:34 PM
Green is a bitch, but this should be happened like 7 games ago.  The NBA looks terrible right now, as his behavior last game wasnt really that obscene.

But hey, maybe the Cavs steal one in Oakland now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: naff on June 12, 2016, 07:25:15 PM
That Vine i edited into last post of his Game 3 hit is worse than the Game 4 one. NBA looking pretty incompetent.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: Mandark on June 12, 2016, 10:28:04 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 12, 2016, 07:08:34 PM
Green is a bitch, but this should be happened like 7 games ago.  The NBA looks terrible right now, as his behavior last game wasnt really that obscene.

But hey, maybe the Cavs steal one in Oakland now.

They didn't suspend him for the nut-punch alone.  They just upgraded it to a flagrant 1, which gave him enough flagrant points in the playoffs to trigger an automatic one game suspension.

So he'll miss Game 5 of the Finals in part because of this (https://vine.co/v/iFVIDY7a0l7).
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: curly on June 12, 2016, 10:42:43 PM
Quote from: Mandark on June 12, 2016, 10:28:04 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 12, 2016, 07:08:34 PM
Green is a bitch, but this should be happened like 7 games ago.  The NBA looks terrible right now, as his behavior last game wasnt really that obscene.

But hey, maybe the Cavs steal one in Oakland now.

They didn't suspend him for the nut-punch alone.  They just upgraded it to a flagrant 1, which gave him enough flagrant points in the playoffs to trigger an automatic one game suspension.

So he'll miss Game 5 of the Finals in part because of this (https://vine.co/v/iFVIDY7a0l7).

Well yeah that's the justification given. I don't see how it's a flagrant at all, though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 12, 2016, 11:19:44 PM
Man I appreciate a bit of the cheap shot shit, hell we all did it. But goddamn man how can anyone sit here and defend Green right now? If that was MJ, Oak would have already put the fear of God into him....Lebron needs a linebacker.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2016, 11:28:14 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 12, 2016, 11:19:44 PM
Man I appreciate a bit of the cheap shot shit, hell we all did it. But goddamn man how can anyone sit here and defend Green right now? If that was MJ, Oak would have already put the fear of God into him....Lebron needs a linebacker.

So are you saying LeBron needs more help
 :ryker
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 13, 2016, 10:30:39 AM
Be a grown man punching another grown man in the jewels while playing a game, brehs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 13, 2016, 11:26:49 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2016, 11:28:14 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 12, 2016, 11:19:44 PM
Man I appreciate a bit of the cheap shot shit, hell we all did it. But goddamn man how can anyone sit here and defend Green right now? If that was MJ, Oak would have already put the fear of God into him....Lebron needs a linebacker.

So are you saying LeBron needs more help
 :ryker

He needs a Perkins to put green on his ass for good. I use to like Green now I really have no use for him. Nobody needs another Laimbeer.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 13, 2016, 11:30:55 AM
Draymond is a bit of knucklehead and if he was on a losing team people would be writing more articles about what an a-hole he is. He is a very good player though. I wish he was on my team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: Your Stalker on June 13, 2016, 10:48:29 PM
looks like it's over for bogut
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 13, 2016, 11:37:16 PM
Irving
:whoo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 13, 2016, 11:43:55 PM
I don't think I've seen a worse cumulative performance by someone in such an important game in a contract year than the way Harrison Barnes has played tonight

Quote from: The Walrus on June 13, 2016, 11:09:18 PM
I think this game is showing how important Draymond actually is.
tbf, lebron and Kyrie have just been hitting shots that golden state's been giving them all series. though the communication and rotation on d has been real bad at times for the warriors
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: dkdk on June 13, 2016, 11:44:18 PM
wouldnt bet on Kyrie and Bron hitting these crazy ass shots again.

watching Barnes cost himself millions yet again (i still have nightmares about his play for us in college) is tough.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 13, 2016, 11:46:52 PM
Quote from: dkdk on June 13, 2016, 11:44:18 PM
wouldnt bet on Kyrie and Bron hitting these crazy ass shots again.
or Curry missing so many wide open shots

safe to say this version of Klay isn't gonna show up anytime soon
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: bluemax on June 13, 2016, 11:52:28 PM
The one Cavs fan I know, who is a nutjob, wanted to trade Kyrie and keep Waiters. I wonder how he feels about that now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: dkdk on June 13, 2016, 11:54:37 PM
Quote from: bluemax on June 13, 2016, 11:52:28 PM
The one Cavs fan I know, who is a nutjob, wanted to trade Kyrie and keep Waiters. I wonder how he feels about that now.

i dont think i have a gif or smiley to adequately capture my feelings on this lmao.

edit: well i guess my avatar works.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 13, 2016, 11:58:54 PM
Barnes' statline: 5/5/1 on 2-14 shooting in 38 minutes

:jasoncollins
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: dkdk on June 14, 2016, 12:04:57 AM
as an avowed Lebron hater that's all i ever want to see from him. i know he has the dog deep down in there. it's just like it's locked behind 8 gates of mental blocks.

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on June 13, 2016, 11:58:54 PM
Barnes' statline: 5/5/1 on 2-14 shooting in 38 minutes

:jasoncollins

i hope Mitch watched that mess. no barnes. no ezeli. please. i might have to quit watching the NBA if we sign them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: El Babua on June 14, 2016, 12:18:39 AM
Don't know if the Warriors can survive the pressure if it goes to 7; entire season and everything behind it (73-9) hanging, where it could have been finished 2 games prior, etc.

Expecting a good game 6.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Why wait. Warriors repeat)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 14, 2016, 07:34:13 AM
Quote from: El Babua on June 14, 2016, 12:18:39 AM
Don't know if the Warriors can survive the pressure if it goes to 7; entire season and everything behind it (73-9) hanging, where it could have been finished 2 games prior, etc.

Expecting a good game 6.

Cavs will win game 6 by 30 points.


Game 7 is gonna be an all time classic.


Book it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 6 Thursday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 14, 2016, 08:32:31 AM
Was an impressive game. No draymond obviously helped but still impressive win from the big two. As far as Kevin Love...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 6 Thursday)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 14, 2016, 08:34:15 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 14, 2016, 08:32:31 AM
Was an impressive game. No draymond obviously helped but still impressive win from the big two. As far as Kevin Love...

He's going to be a Celtic for that 3rd pick and Evan Turner. Book it now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 6 Thursday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 14, 2016, 08:46:34 AM
Yeah, its kinda hard to see him surviving there. I mean he is what he is. I don't blame him. I just think he was a good player on a really bad team in Minnesota. Not the ultimate superstar people thought he was.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 6 Thursday)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 14, 2016, 08:58:33 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 14, 2016, 08:46:34 AM
Yeah, its kinda hard to see him surviving there. I mean he is what he is. I don't blame him. I just think he was a good player on a really bad team in Minnesota. Not the ultimate superstar people thought he was.

I just think he couldn't assimilate like Bosh did, neither in the team culture nor the offense.

GM Bron needs to take a step back and let somebody else decide the roster.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 6 Thursday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 14, 2016, 09:01:12 AM
Bosh was a legit good defender for his size. Love is a trainwreck on defense.

On offense he is "fine" I guess but in this system he looks so tentative at times, its sad. I mean I get it must be difficult to get your offense when you have two ball dominant players like Lebron and Kyrie but even just straight up shooting the ball he looks tentative compared to say Channing Fyre. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 6 Thursday)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 14, 2016, 09:05:21 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 14, 2016, 09:01:12 AM
Bosh was a legit good defender for his size. Love is a trainwreck on defense.

On offense he is "fine" I guess but in this system he looks so tentative at times, its sad. I mean I get it must be difficult to get your offense when you have two ball dominant players like Lebron and Kyrie but even just straight up shooting the ball he looks tentative compared to say Channing Fyre.

He's a spot of shooter on a team of spot of shooters. We need to either put Lebron at the 4 as the next evolution in his career (preferred), or go find a Paul Milsap clone who can rebound and guard 4's and 5's.

Gasol and Butler want out of Chicago.

Love for Butler seems doable, right? They will need offense at the 4, we need defense and scoring at the 2.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 6 Thursday)
Post by: naff on June 15, 2016, 07:57:41 PM
I don't get hate on "GM" LeBron. Are people still mad that they traded Bennett, Wiggins and a trade exception for Love? I not a fan and haven't followed Cavs that closely during the reg season. But every game i watched they seemed on point, esp. later in the season.

Tbh I would've preferred to see them keep Wiggins, but I don't see taking Love as a mistake either. In theory it was a great move right? Win now, that was the plan, seemed like their best option to 'win now'. Cavs wouldn't be shit without Bron, and he's taken them to the finals two years running now. I loved that messy 2015 finals series too, Bron putting the team on his back.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 6 Thursday)
Post by: Mandark on June 15, 2016, 08:08:42 PM
I think the idea is "LeBron can't blame his teammates because he picked them" but it's more of a way for people who already didn't like him to talk shit, than as an actual critique of the moves they've made.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 6 Thursday)
Post by: naff on June 15, 2016, 08:10:12 PM
I've never heard him blame his teammates, he seems to be introspective about the Cavaliers failures almost to a fault.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 6 Thursday)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 15, 2016, 11:26:44 PM
Quote from: Mandark on June 15, 2016, 08:08:42 PM
I think the idea is "LeBron can't blame his teammates because he picked them" but it's more of a way for people who already didn't like him to talk shit, than as an actual critique of the moves they've made.

I'm a lifelong Cavs fan.

I reject this notion.

Lebron formed this Voltron. Win or lose this on is on him.


Also Google Lebron Love diss. Go ahead.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 6 Thursday)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 15, 2016, 11:48:33 PM
why do you dare everyone to do your bidding
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 6 Thursday)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 16, 2016, 01:56:12 AM
More so than the gm moves, I think these Cleveland years they just ran into historically good Warriors team. This isn't like the prior Cleveland run where the team is shit. They just happened to be around at the perfectly wrong time.

Some of the moves have been good and some have been bad but that's the same as any team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 6 Thursday)
Post by: bluemax on June 16, 2016, 03:30:47 AM
Quote from: naff on June 15, 2016, 07:57:41 PM
I don't get hate on "GM" LeBron. Are people still mad that they traded Bennett, Wiggins and a trade exception for Love? I not a fan and haven't followed Cavs that closely during the reg season. But every game i watched they seemed on point, esp. later in the season.

Tbh I would've preferred to see them keep Wiggins, but I don't see taking Love as a mistake either. In theory it was a great move right? Win now, that was the plan, seemed like their best option to 'win now'. Cavs wouldn't be shit without Bron, and he's taken them to the finals two years running now. I loved that messy 2015 finals series too, Bron putting the team on his back.

I suppose the theory is that GM Lebron went all in on another "super star" who some people don't feel is worthy of super star status instead of holding on to the kids (and no one thought Wiggins would be good for awhile) or spreading the resources on building a deeper team ala the Spurs or Warriors.

Of course you have to ask who could they have really gotten instead of Love. I mean look at the shit pile GM Doc assembled!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 6 Thursday)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 16, 2016, 07:26:42 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 15, 2016, 11:48:33 PM
why do you dare everyone to do your bidding

Why do you care? What a stupid post.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 6 Thursday)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 16, 2016, 10:16:19 AM
I actually dared to google it and the first thing that showed up was hilariously dumb speculation based on nothing, so basically par for the course for shit on the internet aia buys wholesale

spoiler alert: kevin love said stepping over someone is disrespectful, as if that was somehow not obvious to anyone on the planet
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 6 Thursday)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 16, 2016, 10:23:00 AM
Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on June 16, 2016, 10:16:19 AM
I actually dared to google it and the first thing that showed up was hilariously dumb speculation based on nothing, so basically par for the course for shit on the internet aia buys wholesale

spoiler alert: kevin love said stepping over someone is disrespectful, as if that was somehow not obvious to anyone on the planet

Wrong one. Look for when love tries to high five James and James screams at him to sit down. He gone.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 6 Thursday)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 16, 2016, 10:27:04 AM
cryingjordan.com (http://cryingjordan.com)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 6 Thursday)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 16, 2016, 10:34:26 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 16, 2016, 10:23:00 AM
Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on June 16, 2016, 10:16:19 AM
I actually dared to google it and the first thing that showed up was hilariously dumb speculation based on nothing, so basically par for the course for shit on the internet aia buys wholesale

spoiler alert: kevin love said stepping over someone is disrespectful, as if that was somehow not obvious to anyone on the planet

Wrong one. Look for when love tries to high five James and James screams at him to sit down. He gone.

i dunno man, i think anyone who steps onto a court with lebron can expect to get screamed at for fucking up after watching him trash mario chalmers for three years, especially someone as well paid to keep him company as kevin love
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 6 Thursday)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 16, 2016, 11:31:38 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 16, 2016, 10:23:00 AM
Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on June 16, 2016, 10:16:19 AM
I actually dared to google it and the first thing that showed up was hilariously dumb speculation based on nothing, so basically par for the course for shit on the internet aia buys wholesale

spoiler alert: kevin love said stepping over someone is disrespectful, as if that was somehow not obvious to anyone on the planet

Wrong one. Look for when love tries to high five James and James screams at him to sit down. He gone.

Love fucked up a switch IIRC and Lebron lambasted him for it.  Lebron has done this with Bosh, Chalmers, Allen, and Kyrie so many times.  Did any of those other players get tossed because Lebron yelled at them?

If Love is gone this off season it will be because of financial reasons and because he doesn't match up well with the teams that pose a threat to Cleveland (Golden State, Toronto, Portland, Boston).  If this Finals was against OKC, Love would be utilized much more effectively because of match ups.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 6 Thursday)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 16, 2016, 09:27:48 PM
Warriors look so bad brehs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 6 Thursday)
Post by: CatsCatsCats on June 16, 2016, 09:28:58 PM
Game seven conspiracy mannnnnnnnnnn
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 6 Thursday)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 16, 2016, 09:29:17 PM
Looking like trash without Bogut out there doing illegal screens  :doge

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:thecoli
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 6 Thursday)
Post by: naff on June 16, 2016, 09:33:37 PM
:rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 6 Thursday)
Post by: dkdk on June 16, 2016, 09:38:10 PM
shit if GSW was gonna collapse like this they should've just lost to OKC last round  :beli
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 6 Thursday)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 16, 2016, 09:38:58 PM
some bad calls, but the refs aren't out there turning the ball over, blowing defensive assignments, and expecting production from Harrison Barnes
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 6 Thursday)
Post by: TVC15 on June 16, 2016, 09:41:46 PM
What the fuck. Fuck this. The Expendables 3 is on Epix. That won't be disappointing, right?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 6 Thursday)
Post by: dkdk on June 16, 2016, 10:59:39 PM
Barnes is gonna end up getting a fucking MLE at this rate. You cant even sell your fanbase on giving him whatever GSW offered him before after this shit. Let alone a max deal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 6 Thursday)
Post by: eleuin on June 16, 2016, 11:03:20 PM
If the cavs somehow blow this...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 6 Thursday)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 16, 2016, 11:05:03 PM
uh oh

could be an interesting 4th quarter, lead feels like it should be way more than 9
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 6 Thursday)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 16, 2016, 11:06:27 PM
Cavs are gonna choke this away, aren't they.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 6 Thursday)
Post by: naff on June 16, 2016, 11:06:50 PM
Getting OKC GSW game 7 vibes
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 6 Thursday)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 16, 2016, 11:12:23 PM
via elsewhere:

(http://i.imgur.com/PMXKkwH.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 6 Thursday)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 16, 2016, 11:16:54 PM
I wonder if that wasn't a foul would Curry go for the layup or a three pointer.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 6 Thursday)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 16, 2016, 11:28:38 PM
Iguodala looks like he can't physically compete right now
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 6 Thursday)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 16, 2016, 11:39:31 PM
Walrus gonna have an aneurysm if the Cavs win

:gladbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 6 Thursday)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 16, 2016, 11:42:14 PM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on June 16, 2016, 11:39:31 PM
Walrus gonna have an aneurysm if the Cavs win

:gladbron

I hope if he has to have one, and man I hope that isn't so....that it targets the play guitar at parties area only.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: El Babua on June 16, 2016, 11:54:01 PM
Game 7 gonna be a classic :rejoice

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Or a blowout ending in a brawl either way it goes  :doge
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 16, 2016, 11:55:41 PM
Quote from: El Babua on June 16, 2016, 11:54:01 PM
Game 7 gonna be a classic :rejoice

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Or a blowout ending in a brawl either way it goes  :doge
[close]

Either the. "Stern controls the NBA" theory was always true or goddamn I just seen a team realize defeat within 4 minutes.

:confused
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 16, 2016, 11:57:13 PM
Will Thug Curry be suspended  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Yulwei on June 16, 2016, 11:59:56 PM
(https://abload.de/img/imager9ucb.jpeg)

is she going to be ok brehs?

Bron bron :rejoice

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: dkdk on June 17, 2016, 12:00:41 AM
Stern still puppetmastering this shit from his frontporch. League gets their 7 game finals and now the Warriors are free to hold their throne

Belee dat.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
cavs gonna win. probably easily
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 17, 2016, 12:18:29 AM
Ok. Curry's woman just excused her tweet with "my dad was profiled"

I'm black. That's bullshit.

0 respect
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: naff on June 17, 2016, 12:22:37 AM
Lolol, best friend and Lakers fan talking to me about the nba illuminati conspiracy, tongue in cheek but he actually really mad since he bandwagoning GSW and Lakers are poop, then brings up the Stern CP3 trade block again. Every time. EVERY TIME. Lakers fans love to pop that in there coz fuck David Stern. I don't think Lakers would be that much better with CP3 tbh.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Your Stalker on June 17, 2016, 12:33:02 AM
Game 7 is gonna be lit (http://i.imgur.com/mtRK13P.png) or the dubs will get BTFO again. :yeshrug
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 17, 2016, 01:03:49 AM
https://twitter.com/itsbizkit/status/743668158876123136
 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Syph on June 17, 2016, 01:55:03 AM
what a garbage turn of events
im no bandwagoner though, curry is gonna go off in game 7 don't you worry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: T234 on June 17, 2016, 04:40:10 AM
Oh god  :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl


PHOENIX DARK SYMBOL ACTIVATED


SERIOUSLY NSFW
 :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw

http://imgur.com/xBNxUeG (http://imgur.com/xBNxUeG)

 :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Brehvolution on June 17, 2016, 09:42:47 AM
http://deadspin.com/j-r-smiths-daughter-burns-him-on-national-television-1782131409

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: brawndolicious on June 17, 2016, 09:44:54 AM
Sports can be fun to watch but the best part is seeing a fans team lose. Especially since no one cared about the Warriors until a couple years ago. It's a private company that's achieved mid-2000s Apple status.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 17, 2016, 10:07:46 AM
If Bron pulls this off no one will be able to talk shit about him again. What a run. But man if they lose I'll legit feel bad for Cleveland  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 17, 2016, 10:14:56 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 17, 2016, 10:07:46 AM
If Bron pulls this off no one will be able to talk shit about him again. What a run. But man if they lose I'll legit feel bad for Cleveland  :lol

The drive
The fumble
The Mesa
The braves
The L'elbow
The Spurs
The Injuries

Look we're ready. Nobody copes with losing better than Cleveland.

But the way Lebron is playing both ways, destroying the rims, actually talking shit that made curry step back, leading, and showing anger is, dare I say, Like Mike.

People been waiting on this Lebron. He's the best player on earth. Any more fucking questions, Walrus?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 17, 2016, 10:21:35 AM
Btw the respect he paid for Sager was awesome.

"Let me ask you a question Craig. How the hell it been 30 years and you ain't never done the finals?"

:gladbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 17, 2016, 11:14:21 AM
Last night was fun just because of the meltdowns.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 17, 2016, 11:16:08 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 17, 2016, 11:14:21 AM
Last night was fun just because of the meltdowns.

Curry has had a rough few weeks. Not playing great, shoes tanked, not getting calls, etc. yikes
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 17, 2016, 12:02:41 PM
If LeBron actually delivers a title to Cleveland, he can leave again and it wouldn't be the same reaction as before, right?

Because you know what would be guaranteed to kill Walrus? A historic Cavs comeback down 3-1, then LeBron swooping in to save the Lakers from failure next season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: CatsCatsCats on June 17, 2016, 12:12:19 PM
I only casual fan the Blazers and hardly watch any NBA, but I really hope Cleveland takes it
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 17, 2016, 12:55:08 PM
Lebron has obviously been great and he is the reason the cavs have been able to hang in this series but I have increased my respect for Lue. Mainly on the aspect that if you aren't playing well, your ass will sit down instead of being trotted out again and again in hopes that something will magically change.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 17, 2016, 12:59:15 PM
I don't want to pretend like the Cavs are an amazingly deep team, but the one difference from this year and the last is the amount and quality of guys that they can bring in and provide some help.

Quote
If LeBron actually delivers a title to Cleveland, he can leave again and it wouldn't be the same reaction as before, right?

Because you know what would be guaranteed to kill Walrus? A historic Cavs comeback down 3-1, then LeBron swooping in to save the Lakers from failure next season.

I think a big factor in the animosity with Lebron was the way his last season ended (choking to a shitty Magic team) and that his move was premeditated all along, yet made everyone go through 'the show' he put on.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Steve Contra on June 17, 2016, 01:24:42 PM
For a series going to 7 this has been a remarkably bad series (although it's been fun to watch Kyrie and LeBron go automatic)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 17, 2016, 01:40:28 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 17, 2016, 11:16:08 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 17, 2016, 11:14:21 AM
Last night was fun just because of the meltdowns.

Curry has had a rough few weeks. Not playing great, shoes tanked, not getting calls, etc. yikes

Guess he shouldn't have gone for 73 wins.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 17, 2016, 01:53:01 PM
Lebron's never gotten the (full) credit he deserves because his game isn't as aesthetically pleasing to watch as most of the all-time greats. Even a lot of guys a tier below him are more fun to watch play the game.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 17, 2016, 02:07:21 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on June 17, 2016, 01:53:01 PM
Lebron's never gotten the (full) credit he deserves because his game isn't as aesthetically pleasing to watch as most of the all-time greats. Even a lot of guys a tier below him are more fun to watch play the game.

This is so true.

Last night was pure power Lebron. Never seen that on that level before.

Let's also note the game is so easy to him that he makes the difficult look ordinary. That also takes away from his aesthetics.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 17, 2016, 02:08:50 PM
PS: That Smith to James over the back alley oops is going on the welcome to the NBA video. Book it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy6OD7_Fv0c
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 17, 2016, 07:27:18 PM
Educated bore basketballians, do we concur Lebron still had the crown as the best baller on the planet?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: dkdk on June 17, 2016, 07:53:24 PM
if the cavs win i truly don't get why lebron would want to leave. it'd make more sense to leave if they lost this year on some "i tried" shit.

it's just totally lost on me and i'd be completely baffled more than when he left the first time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 17, 2016, 08:02:55 PM
Anything is possible but I highly doubt Lebron is leaving. The whole bringing it back to game 7 whether they win or lose has given him even more power in Cleveland.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2016, 04:40:16 AM
Random dumb stat of FIND DEEPER MEANING: Going into game seven both the Cavs and Warriors have exactly 610 points in the series and have taken 495 FGA. And have an ORtg of 110.2.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 18, 2016, 02:09:37 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on June 17, 2016, 08:19:04 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 17, 2016, 07:27:18 PM
Educated bore basketballians, do we concur Lebron still had the crown as the best baller on the planet?

No. 6 games of an injured Curry doesn't change what he did this season.

He's not more talented than Lebron. Who makes 40+ 10+ and 8+ look routine.

He's a better shooter and ball handler.

Lebron is better at everything else...defense, rebounding, passing, driving, etc.


And is most clearly in Curry's head.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 18, 2016, 02:10:36 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 18, 2016, 04:40:16 AM
Random dumb stat of FIND DEEPER MEANING: Going into game seven both the Cavs and Warriors have exactly 610 points in the series and have taken 495 FGA. And have an ORtg of 110.2.

That's insane.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 18, 2016, 04:56:25 PM
The one thing that has always frustrated the fuck out of me about LeBron's game is his FT shooting.  He's so fucking bad at it.  I would rather foul LeBron early on a drive than let him muscle his way in for a layup
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 19, 2016, 03:57:03 PM
biggest game of Lebron's career tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Beezy on June 19, 2016, 08:09:35 PM
Game time!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Yulwei on June 19, 2016, 08:12:45 PM
:rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 19, 2016, 09:04:49 PM
Draymond gunning for FMVP
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 19, 2016, 09:11:56 PM
Cavs offense looked like trash in that 2nd quarter

edit: and Curry's 3rd foul was garbage
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: eleuin on June 19, 2016, 09:13:32 PM
Cavs are going to lose to Green being perfect from 3  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 19, 2016, 09:16:40 PM
lowkey, Iguodala looks good, that's huge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 19, 2016, 10:03:33 PM
this is tense
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 19, 2016, 10:04:35 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on June 19, 2016, 09:52:09 PM
This is by far the most one-sided officiating I've ever seen.

Maybe they shouldn't  rip refs all series?


Seriously find another hobby because you don't sport well. At all.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 19, 2016, 10:04:56 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on June 19, 2016, 09:52:09 PM
This is by far the most one-sided officiating I've ever seen.

It's been officiated very well, the hell are you talking about
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2016, 10:11:12 PM
Kyrie whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 19, 2016, 10:12:56 PM
Cmon dude :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: naff on June 19, 2016, 10:13:27 PM
ugh, just murder him already
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 19, 2016, 10:18:00 PM
Lue takes Kyrie and Love out wtf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 19, 2016, 10:18:23 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 19, 2016, 10:18:00 PM
Lue takes Kyrie and Love out wtf
:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 19, 2016, 10:20:41 PM
Win or lose. Cleveland always gonna Cleveland :snoop
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2016, 10:23:27 PM
Cavs offense looks atrocious.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Yulwei on June 19, 2016, 10:23:46 PM
Bron...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2016, 10:25:55 PM
Man...glad I'm not a Cleveland/Ohio resident. This is insane.

Cavs wasting so much time early in possessions.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 19, 2016, 10:28:04 PM
They need to have Kyrie handle the ball.  Let Lebron get inside and post up
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 19, 2016, 10:31:56 PM
What if Lebron loses, then leaves again? Does he get out of Cleveland alive or it's just like "...okay"?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 19, 2016, 10:33:28 PM
That was a good block, tho.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Your Stalker on June 19, 2016, 10:34:14 PM
it's over
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 19, 2016, 10:36:47 PM
Guess they shouldn't have tried to go for 73 wins.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 19, 2016, 10:36:58 PM
And wanted it more.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Yulwei on June 19, 2016, 10:39:57 PM
:rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: El Babua on June 19, 2016, 10:41:34 PM
Grats Cavs fans!

Dwight to GS!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: naff on June 19, 2016, 10:42:16 PM
CONGRATULATIONS CLEVELAND! Kyries dagger  :gladbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2016, 10:43:47 PM
Lebron delivered the dream. All the petty carping and whining is over. Walrus is dead. Long live Lebron.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2016, 10:47:11 PM
Grats BrandNew, AiA, ToxicAdam.

It's over brehs. Can't say shit about Bron ever again. One of the most stunning come from behind wins I have ever seen. Down 3-1 against the "greatest team ever."  Wow.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 19, 2016, 10:47:35 PM
Golden State scored 13 points in the 4th quarter
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: Kara on June 19, 2016, 10:51:41 PM
Shit eating Warriors plastics melted. :rejoice

Silicon Valley worship purged for heresy. :rejoice

God's in his heaven. All's right with the world. :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: dkdk on June 19, 2016, 10:53:00 PM
well if it had to end with the Cavs winning, doing it in the most improbable and un-Cleveland-ish fashion is about the best way to do it.

i wonder if this is how Kobe haters felt after he won 2 rings after shaq. i gotta cash out nba hater game for a while lmao.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: El Babua on June 19, 2016, 10:54:15 PM
Also I can safely say 2012-2013 Heat > 2016 Warriors

Ray Allen in the playoff clutch > Curry :smug
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: naff on June 19, 2016, 10:55:31 PM
GOAT at winning and choking. That's gonna be a hard record to live down.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2016, 10:57:15 PM
ETIOLET REDEEMED
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: eleuin on June 19, 2016, 10:59:01 PM
96 bulls would wash gs in 4 no doubt about it
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 19, 2016, 11:05:05 PM
From the land till we die.

Walrus suck 4000 dicks you non playa bitch.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 19, 2016, 11:06:19 PM
:gladbron
:gladbron
:gladbron
:gladbron
:gladbron :gladbron :gladbron


Sucks these nuts Walrus.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 19, 2016, 11:07:36 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/QEdv4Ai.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7 Just like we all knew!))
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2016, 11:09:11 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on June 19, 2016, 10:36:47 PM
Guess they shouldn't have tried to go for 73 wins.
Yep, should've banked that win in case they needed it later.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 19, 2016, 11:10:01 PM
Quote from: eleuin on June 19, 2016, 10:59:01 PM
96 bulls would wash gs in 4 no doubt about it

100%


Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2016, 11:10:31 PM
Gotta think they try to move Curry, Klay and Green before those contracts become a serious problem now. It's one thing if you're actually winning games with those guys.

Maybe for Rose and Melo. Dwight too?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 19, 2016, 11:11:47 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on June 19, 2016, 11:09:41 PM
David Stern's legacy is complete :aah


All these flavors and all you choose is salt.

Let me give you the best ballers of all time

1A) MJ
1B) James

15) Kobe

Go to sleep now baby, the adults are talking.

Or have some respect. Or shut up. Or choke yourself to death. Whatever works.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: El Babua on June 19, 2016, 11:15:12 PM
I think Warriors will be back. Curry's gotta adjust his postseason game now and play slower and more deliberate instead of all this fancy high turnover shit. They also gotta get a post presence (Dwight lol) and perhaps rest dudes during the season from time to time, idk.

Won't matter though when the Heat win next year.  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2016, 11:17:52 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on June 19, 2016, 11:14:09 PM
You drunk right now, AIA?

Anyway, yeah, LeBron proved me wrong these last 3 games. Fucking crazy. Maybe he is top 5.

Congrats to you and BrandNew. Fuck that Heat fan Stoney Mason though.

Don't worry Walrus. I'm sure Harrison Barnes will win many titles for you with the Lakers
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: naff on June 19, 2016, 11:26:21 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on June 19, 2016, 11:18:48 PM
Heat fans that became Cavs fans when LeBron went back are the worst people in sports, btw.

Wrong.

Kobe stans :piss2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2016, 11:27:22 PM
Still think the 18-1 Patriots are by far the biggest sports (playoffs) choke but wow GS :neogaf

you see what happens when you punch a man in the dick, Larry?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Mandark on June 19, 2016, 11:28:48 PM
LeBron's dick just turned around the NBA Finals and brought a championship to Cleveland.  Jordan's dick never did that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 19, 2016, 11:33:32 PM
Lost in all the fanfare was just how awful Kevin Love looked tonight. Maybe one baby hook against a midget was all I can remember liking.

Amazing game though. Almost enough to erase the memories of how many one sided games there were throughout.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2016, 11:34:16 PM
We gonna talk about Curry semi not showing up in two finals appearances now.  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: naff on June 19, 2016, 11:38:08 PM
Lose the same number of games in the post season as you did in the reg brehs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2016, 11:50:25 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2016, 11:34:16 PM
We gonna talk about Curry semi not showing up in two finals appearances now.  :doge
Never hurt Kobe.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 19, 2016, 11:50:49 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on June 19, 2016, 11:33:32 PM
Lost in all the fanfare was just how awful Kevin Love looked tonight. Maybe one baby hook against a midget was all I can remember liking.

Amazing game though. Almost enough to erase the memories of how many one sided games there were throughout.

Disagree 100%

Rebounds and defense were on point.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2016, 11:54:47 PM
I missed the first quarter but from what I saw Love played well. Lots of key rebounds and a couple nice baskets. Nothing amazing but he did enough.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2016, 11:54:56 PM
Do you think the Warriors now regret not firing Kerr for Luke Walton mid-season like the Cavs did to save their season?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 19, 2016, 11:55:29 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClXKRCIWYAEeegL.jpg)
:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 19, 2016, 11:56:55 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on June 19, 2016, 11:33:32 PM
Lost in all the fanfare was just how awful Kevin Love looked tonight. Maybe one baby hook against a midget was all I can remember liking.

Amazing game though. Almost enough to erase the memories of how many one sided games there were throughout.

What?  Love looked fine, better than he looked all series.  13 rebounds, 9 points from the post, and some excellent defense on their best shooters which is very unlike him
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2016, 11:57:04 PM
Love played well in the playoffs but I thought he had a pretty bad finals. That being said now with the ring, it's highly unlikely they would look to move him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 19, 2016, 11:58:11 PM
Keep him.  He played very well in the regular season and had a couple great games in the playoffs.  He just doesn't match up with the Warriors well
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2016, 12:08:16 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClXYt_1UgAAfWwx.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 20, 2016, 12:15:20 AM
https://youtu.be/EFSTcb06IeM
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2016, 12:23:45 AM
https://twitter.com/MagicJohnson/status/744729648873902081
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: dkdk on June 20, 2016, 12:29:45 AM
love was +19 tonight and played hard af. cant hate on him for tonight at least.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 20, 2016, 12:30:01 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 20, 2016, 12:23:45 AM
https://twitter.com/MagicJohnson/status/744729648873902081

Ha ha ha. He's not going anywhere.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 20, 2016, 12:34:47 AM
damn, JR :tocry

dat's my pipeman

also

(http://i.imgur.com/vH6OzUU.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2016, 12:43:03 AM
GAF thread already descended into Kobe discussion. :heart
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2016, 12:43:13 AM
(https://s32.postimg.org/k04i4gc51/o_YMMGtw.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 20, 2016, 12:43:18 AM
I don't get that pic at all.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2016, 12:50:29 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 20, 2016, 12:43:18 AM
I don't get that pic at all.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClQSnZCUkAEJV_F.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 20, 2016, 12:54:43 AM
No no I meant the one above it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 20, 2016, 12:55:20 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 20, 2016, 12:54:43 AM
No no I meant the one above it.

game of thrones reference

only us nerds get it apparently  :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 20, 2016, 12:56:15 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 20, 2016, 12:55:20 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 20, 2016, 12:54:43 AM
No no I meant the one above it.

game of thrones reference

only us nerds get it apparently  :'(

Ah yeah. I never made it past Ned dying.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 20, 2016, 01:06:16 AM
Lebron didn't need Shaq to get him a few titles. At least we got that going for us ;)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: TVC15 on June 20, 2016, 01:10:07 AM
No parade by my apartment :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 20, 2016, 01:18:58 AM
LeBron titles without Shaq: 3
Kobe titles without Shaq: 2

:rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2016, 01:22:24 AM
Finals losses with Shaq:
LeBron: zero
Kobe: one, during the greatest Finals ever
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2016, 01:24:08 AM
Titles without a starting seven footer:
LeBron: three
Kobe: zero
Foolish Jordon: zero

 :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: naff on June 20, 2016, 01:36:37 AM
Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on June 20, 2016, 01:28:42 AM
Walrus sighting:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClWeJxyUsAAdtQ7.jpg)

Sporting the fuckin goatee too with a cap hanging out his pocket. The 40 y/o fuckboi  :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: dkdk on June 20, 2016, 02:07:28 AM
i still can't get over the block. i was so focused on iggy i didn't see lebron until he pinned the shit. if it wasn't for replay you could've told me he did Instant Transmission and i would've believed you.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2016, 02:21:46 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/i4Kfoxi.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 20, 2016, 02:43:16 AM
I'm curious

Walrus why do you actually hate Lebron?

I've met you and talked to you and you're a good feller, but beyond being a Lakers fan I still don't really understand your hatred for Lebron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 20, 2016, 02:48:03 AM
Easily my favorite finals in the last five years. Basketball is the best
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 20, 2016, 02:52:20 AM
What a great narrative. Either GSW seal a record setting season with a playoff victory, or Lebron brings Cleveland home their first victory in five decades. In the end, the good guys win, because Anderson Verajao still doesn't have a ring
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: dkdk on June 20, 2016, 03:00:18 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on June 20, 2016, 02:50:32 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 20, 2016, 02:43:16 AM
I'm curious

Walrus why do you actually hate Lebron?

I've met you and talked to you and you're a good feller, but beyond being a Lakers fan I still don't really understand your hatred for Lebron

Oh right.

It's because of this Sports Illustrated issue from back in the day:

(http://primility.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/lebron-james-si-cover-chosen-one.jpeg)

I probably still have this somewhere. I saw him in person play my HS the year before I went there. We had the NC state player of the year Reyshawn Terry (UNC and Dallas Mavs). And we were in the midst of 3 straight state titles IIRC.

Bron and his gang absolutely annihilated us and our crowd loved every minute. He made Reyshawn into dust basically. Absolutely unreal. Left that game thinking I definitely saw the GOAT and thats might end up being the case. More than anything the pregame is burned into my mind. He used to start at the goal and shoot further and further back until he was out at halfcourt just draining shots.

Ill never say hes better than Kobe tho. I cannot bring myself to form that sentence.  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 20, 2016, 03:07:36 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on June 20, 2016, 02:50:32 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 20, 2016, 02:43:16 AM
I'm curious

Walrus why do you actually hate Lebron?

I've met you and talked to you and you're a good feller, but beyond being a Lakers fan I still don't really understand your hatred for Lebron

Oh right.

It's because of this Sports Illustrated issue from back in the day:

(http://primility.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/lebron-james-si-cover-chosen-one.jpeg)

but how does that actually spark hatred?

To me it just feels like your threatened that Kobe's legacy would be tarnished if James continues to succeed

but in reality both Kobe and Lebron are hallmarks of the NBA and will both be remembered for how great they were/are.  One being amazing does not detract from the other.

Especially considering they're completely different positions
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: brawndolicious on June 20, 2016, 03:07:43 AM
Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on June 19, 2016, 11:22:04 PM
I like Steph Curry. But I'm glad that people who were ready to call him the greatest player ever off of the strength of a season they didn't watch can shut the fuck up now.

I didn't have a dog in the race, but I was around people who jumped on the GSW band wagon and literally didn't show up till this game expecting a blow out for the Warriors. So I thank LeBron for breaking my fast this ramadan, as I consumed enough tears to stay hydrated under the arab sun.

It makes living the bay area so much easier now that dub nation is proven to be fallible. The faith of their fans is completely shaken. And now I can pretend to ask my coworkers who went to the game if the Warriors won.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2016, 03:37:36 AM
I found out about this last year or so sometime, but Sports Illustrated has all their issues going back to the beginning up for reading.

Here's that LeBron one: http://www.si.com/vault/issue/702980/1/1?cover_view=1
Original article itself: http://www.si.com/vault/issue/702980/74/2
More readable text form: http://www.si.com/vault/2002/02/18/318739/ahead-of-his-class-ohio-high-school-junior-lebron-james-is-so-good-that-hes-already-being-mentioned-as-the-heir-to-air-jordan
Quote
"If I were a general manager, there are only four or five NBA players that I wouldn't trade to get him right now," says former Phoenix Suns coach Danny Ainge, who was in Trenton to see LeBron play for the second time. "I love Jason Williams at Duke, and I've heard of the Chinese guy [7'6" Yao Ming], but if LeBron came out this year, I wouldn't even have to think about it. I'd take him No. 1."
Quote
"A lot of players know how to play the game," LeBron says, "but they really don't know how to play the game, if you know what I mean. They can put the ball in the hoop, but I see things before they even happen. You know how a guy can make his team so much better? That's one thing I learned from watching Jordan."

(http://cdn-s3.si.com/s3fs-public/2015/10/29/lebron-cclap.jpg)

From his rookie year preview issue:
http://www.si.com/vault/2003/10/27/352431/you-gotta-carry-that-weight-can-an-18-year-old-shoulder-the-burden-of-a-league-a-city-and-a-few-corporations
Original: http://www.si.com/vault/issue/703765/72/2

If you mess with the zoom in your browser (though sometimes zooming out zooms in) and the full screen thing it makes the original articles more readable. A lot of the text, especially older stuff has been OCR'd in and can be tough to read in the text form.

Bonus content, the first 2003 lottery pick to go to back to back NBA Finals AND win a ring: http://www.si.com/vault/2003/03/03/338924/darko-milicic-this-17-year-old-7-footer-may-be-the-nbas-no-2-draft-pick
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2016, 03:55:01 AM
Skip Bayless' last day at ESPN is tomorrow.

Quote
Skip Bayless ‏@RealSkipBayless  5h5 hours ago
The Spurs would've beaten these Cavs.

Skip Bayless ‏@RealSkipBayless  5h5 hours ago
Here it comes: Witnesses will now make the case LeBron James is better than Michael Jordan.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 20, 2016, 07:05:53 AM
I think the difference is people like to play with Lebron.


Kobe made it tough to like him.


That's what hurt Kobe the most. Had they have kept Shaq he would easily of surpassed Jordan in titles.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 20, 2016, 07:37:24 AM
^You're right but that's fuckin rich coming from you considering you were implying KL was gonna leave cleveland cuz lebron didn't give him a high five two pages ago
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 20, 2016, 07:39:10 AM
Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on June 20, 2016, 07:37:24 AM
^You're right but that's fuckin rich coming from you considering you were implying KL was gonna leave cleveland cuz lebron didn't give him a high five two pages ago

If we didn't win the title (fuck yeah still sinking in) he would be on his way out. Now, outside of Mozgov leaving I don't see us moving anyone.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 20, 2016, 07:41:22 AM
You should hope they ship his bum ass off. Fuck kevin love
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 20, 2016, 09:10:04 AM
Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on June 20, 2016, 07:41:22 AM
You should hope they ship his bum ass off. Fuck kevin love

I would have said the same thing but I think he finally embraced his Bosh role in this team now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 20, 2016, 09:19:50 AM
They won't ship him either way. A title washes away all sins. Kevin Love's legacy will come at some future point but debating it at the moment just isn't relevant. Such a crazy series and what a way to culminate it in that game 7. I really loved what Coach Lue did during the playoffs. While its unfair to attack blatt for last season's injury deprived roster, I just never felt comfortable with him in charge. Lue felt different.

I really felt good for so many cavs. Kyrie will finally get the credit he is due. Lebron closes the cases on all the bs. JR smith after such a troubled career gets a ring. The role players who played so hard last year get rings. It's a nice story.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 20, 2016, 09:23:04 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 20, 2016, 03:55:01 AM
Skip Bayless' last day at ESPN is tomorrow.

Quote
Skip Bayless ‏@RealSkipBayless  5h5 hours ago
The Spurs would've beaten these Cavs.

Skip Bayless ‏@RealSkipBayless  5h5 hours ago
Here it comes: Witnesses will now make the case LeBron James is better than Michael Jordan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8mTLQQtj2s
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 20, 2016, 09:28:33 AM
Before I forget I want to mention how incredible this Warriors run has been. These two seasons have been amazing. Steve Kerr is a class act all the way. Warriors have amazing players. I think they are still so set for the future its insane.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 20, 2016, 09:35:52 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 20, 2016, 09:28:33 AM
Before I forget I want to mention how incredible this Warriors run has been. These two seasons have been amazing. Steve Kerr is a class act all the way. Warriors have amazing players. I think they are still so set for the future its insane.

I think we are doing best of of three unless Durant moves somewhere like San Antonio. Which I doubt he will do.

So you'll get another chance.

Really hoping this turns into the next lakers Celtics type rivalry.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 20, 2016, 10:03:42 AM
So Curry, Green, and Thompson are signed to multi year contracts...outside of Barnes is GS going to lose anyone?

Love played well last night and seemingly found his role, also shut down Curry on the 3 point shot. But he's still not the best fit against GS, who will presumably be contending for championships for awhile. I wonder what moves the Cavs will make to get better. Jefferson is retiring, Mozgov is gone. What should the strategy be?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 20, 2016, 10:05:46 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 20, 2016, 10:03:42 AM
So Curry, Green, and Thompson are signed to multi year contracts...outside of Barnes is GS going to lose anyone?

Love played well last night and seemingly found his role, also shut down Curry on the 3 point shot. But he's still not the best fit against GS, who will presumably be contending for championships for awhile. I wonder what moves the Cavs will make to get better. Jefferson is retiring, Mozgov is gone. What should the strategy be?

Dwayne Wade coming to Cleveland. Watch it happen.

Seriously though, hard to say. I think we found our lineup. Replacing Jefferson isn't going to be easy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 20, 2016, 10:11:44 AM
Griffin mentioned after the game that he didn't think the current roster matched the warriors great but I doubt there will be lots of tweaking. Mostly stuff around the edges. JR smith will be a free agent. I think he actually can get decent money based on the cap and his play in the playoffs. He's been an insane bargain over the years for the cavs considering that he is better than shumpert. Cavs have paid everybody. Will be interesting to see if they pay JR. Hopefully they can snag some quality players looking to chase rings when free agency hits also.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 20, 2016, 10:26:55 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 20, 2016, 10:11:44 AM
Griffin mentioned after the game that he didn't think the current roster matched the warriors great but I doubt there will be lots of tweaking. Mostly stuff around the edges. JR smith will be a free agent. I think he actually can get decent money based on the cap and his play in the playoffs. He's been an insane bargain over the years for the cavs considering that he is better than shumpert. Cavs have paid everybody. Will be interesting to see if they pay JR. Hopefully they can snag some quality players looking to chase rings when free agency hits also.

It's going to be hard to let JR go. Especially after that podium speech. I don't think he wants to go anywhere, either. So I think we pay him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 20, 2016, 10:45:06 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClXMqxvUsAAhuNV.jpg)

Dude is the Bill kristol of sports. Glad he's gone from espn.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 20, 2016, 10:49:52 AM
(https://my.mixtape.moe/uroqoc.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 20, 2016, 12:10:33 PM
they couldn't ship Love if they wanted to, he's getting $20+ million a year through 2020.

and he still isn't shit
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 20, 2016, 12:47:01 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on June 20, 2016, 12:10:33 PM
they couldn't ship Love if they wanted to, he's getting $20+ million a year through 2020.

and he still isn't shit

Caps going up to 94 million bro and it's going up again next year. It's gonna end up being a bargain. Wait till you see the deal durant signs (1 year 25 million i'm betting, player option on 2nd year for 30)

Lebron will probably go one for 27 million player option for 32, for the record.

It's gonna get nuts.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Yulwei on June 20, 2016, 01:06:21 PM
Quote from: Brehvolution on June 20, 2016, 10:49:52 AM
(https://my.mixtape.moe/uroqoc.gif)

(https://abload.de/img/imagee3xfr.jpeg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 20, 2016, 01:31:25 PM
Quote
The Cleveland Cavaliers thrilling 93-89 win over the Golden State Warriors brought in an overnight rating of 18.9 on Sunday night, the network said.
The telecast peaked with 25.5 rating from 10:30 pm to 10:45 pm ET when the Cavaliers wrapped up the victory.
This makes the much anticipated showdown the highest rated NBA Finals game since 1998 when Michael Jordan and the Chicago Bulls beat the Utah Jazz.
This is also the highest rated NBA game for ABC since the network started broadcasting the games in 2003. Game 7 also had a higher rating than all sports programming on either ABC or ESPN in 10 years, which includes NFL playoff games and the College Football championship games.

The game was a huge draw in the hometown markets of the two teams. Roughly 46% of Cleveland homes were tuned into the game while roughly 40% were in San Francisco.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 20, 2016, 01:39:10 PM
damn, dem ratings
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 20, 2016, 01:39:34 PM
yeah I'm sorry 21 million with a 94 million cap isn't a 'bargain' for a player who averaged 16/10 on 42% shooting the past 2 seasons. To put it in perspective, Love will be the 3rd highest paid power forward in the league next year, just 885k behind Anthony fucking Davis. That's more than Aldridge, more than Blake. LeBron is the best player on the planet, he's worth 30 million. Love struggles to compete on one side of the ball, is that really the guy you wanna be paying 25 million into his 30s?

e: on the other hand - https://vine.co/v/5BuxJdlQLYQ
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 20, 2016, 02:21:31 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on June 20, 2016, 01:48:05 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 20, 2016, 09:28:33 AM
Before I forget I want to mention how incredible this Warriors run has been. These two seasons have been amazing. Steve Kerr is a class act all the way. Warriors have amazing players. I think they are still so set for the future its insane.

Go fuck yourself you ball-washing piece of shit.

The fuck dude? He's been humble in defeat?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 20, 2016, 03:09:35 PM
He can't deal with the strong sexual chemistry me and bron have.


 :aah
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Steve Contra on June 20, 2016, 03:16:45 PM
Can't be mad at that game. :whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: El Babua on June 20, 2016, 03:30:44 PM
The evisceration of Kobe stans on thecoli have been fueling me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 20, 2016, 03:57:24 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/skip-bayless-notorious-lebron-james-troll-trolled-espners-article-1.2680506

:gladbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 20, 2016, 04:06:55 PM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on June 20, 2016, 03:57:24 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/skip-bayless-notorious-lebron-james-troll-trolled-espners-article-1.2680506

:gladbron
:lol

You can just tell he's a douchebag to coworkers. Same with this piece of shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvhOItBMO3E
yikes
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Mandark on June 20, 2016, 05:19:56 PM
LeBron's so good that Kobe stans have had to retreat from hating to concern trolling to conditional surrender ("he's not that much better than Kobe").  It's amazing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 20, 2016, 06:45:11 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 20, 2016, 04:06:55 PM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on June 20, 2016, 03:57:24 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/skip-bayless-notorious-lebron-james-troll-trolled-espners-article-1.2680506

:gladbron
:lol

You can just tell he's a douchebag to coworkers. Same with this piece of shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvhOItBMO3E
yikes

I been saying this.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 20, 2016, 06:47:51 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on June 20, 2016, 06:03:27 PM
Anyway, I don't see the need for future NBA seasons. This should be it. Shut down the league and end it. This can be the Ragnarok of our age. Maybe if people still want basketball in a few years, we could reboot it and start over with a new name for the league, new teams, etc.

So mad.

Let's see

Kobe: Fostered an era of me first bullshit basketball:

Lebron: Fostering an era of all around play.

One created Vince Carter types...meh

One created Kevin Durant types....damn


:lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 20, 2016, 07:10:01 PM
So, there's one real winner from this NBA finals- bore posters

http://wgntv.com/2016/06/20/how-to-get-a-free-taco-bell-taco-after-stolen-game-during-nba-finals/

:noah
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: dkdk on June 20, 2016, 08:02:19 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 20, 2016, 06:47:51 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on June 20, 2016, 06:03:27 PM
Anyway, I don't see the need for future NBA seasons. This should be it. Shut down the league and end it. This can be the Ragnarok of our age. Maybe if people still want basketball in a few years, we could reboot it and start over with a new name for the league, new teams, etc.

So mad.

Let's see

Kobe: Fostered an era of me first bullshit basketball:

Lebron: Fostering an era of all around play.

One created Vince Carter types...meh

One created Kevin Durant types....damn


:lawd

Kobe fostered the man that hit the title winning shot (http://www.si.com/nba/2016/06/20/nba-finals-cleveland-cavaliers-golden-state-warriors-mamba-mentality)

but thats none of my business tho
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 20, 2016, 08:44:23 PM
Let's judge Bron 8 years from now after we see what Anthony Davis, Ben Simmons, and he boys do. K?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 20, 2016, 09:46:38 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/16373407/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers-highlights-criticism-instagram-post


Aka Windhorst.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Mandark on June 20, 2016, 10:02:18 PM
With actual LeBron haters in the media (Woj, Bayless, probably a ton of middle aged white radio dudes), weird that you're grinding that axe with Windhorst.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 20, 2016, 10:04:14 PM
Quote from: Mandark on June 20, 2016, 10:02:18 PM
With actual LeBron haters in the media (Woj, Bayless, probably a ton of middle aged white radio dudes), weird that you're grinding that axe with Windhorst.

I've said this 29 times. Follow how he reported James after he left the heat. Listen to his shit about Lebron unfollowing him. I mean you're a pretty smart guy....


Hell, look at his reaction in the video linked right above.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Kara on June 20, 2016, 10:08:34 PM
It pains me to see you like this, Glen. We survived the cult of Jordan, we'll survive this. Should I dig you up some vintage bionic77 posts?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Mandark on June 20, 2016, 10:13:24 PM
I've read his stuff, and I don't see any sort of vendetta.  He defended LeBron when people were calling him a "coach killer" after Blatt's firing, wrote a long article on LeBron bringing a more professional culture to the Cavs, etc.

Sure he's been more critical on certain things, but I don't think you have to be a cheerleader 100% of the time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 20, 2016, 10:45:48 PM
I think windhorst is fine on the "fact" sides when he sticks to that. He's less good when he sometimes uses his facts to build larger points that are debatable based on the facts he is presenting. I also tend to like him less when opinion based talk shows bring him on and let him indulge on that opinion side. When he just sticks to the facts he is a lot better. On balance though I think there are a lot worse out there. And sometimes he does bring good insight. I think he was the first to give really good insight into the divide between Lebron and Blatt while mostly staying neutral on it. I compare that to the hit-piece Marc Stein wrote that was basically a how dare Lebron question his coach type article. 


Skip is bad but the worst is still Ric Bucher in my book. He's never stopped uttering dumb shit 24/7

http://247sports.com/Bolt/Ric-Bucher-LeBron-James-isnt-one-of-the-all-time-greats-45836335
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Mandark on June 20, 2016, 10:59:18 PM
I forgot about Bucher.  Yeah, he's awful.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 20, 2016, 11:06:20 PM
Woj is also terrible when it comes to Lebron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Mandark on June 20, 2016, 11:11:30 PM
Woj basically trades favorable coverage for access, so you get some astoundingly one-sided "behind the scenes" stories from him.  I assume he's never been able to get a source inside LeBron's camp, and that's the root of his grudge.  Or maybe he just has some weird fixation like Walrus.

Either way, it's profoundly weird that he's made a career of writing about a sport he seemingly doesn't even like.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 21, 2016, 08:08:14 AM
Quote from: Mandark on June 20, 2016, 11:11:30 PM
Woj basically trades favorable coverage for access, so you get some astoundingly one-sided "behind the scenes" stories from him.  I assume he's never been able to get a source inside LeBron's camp, and that's the root of his grudge.  Or maybe he just has some weird fixation like Walrus.

Either way, it's profoundly weird that he's made a career of writing about a sport he seemingly doesn't even like.

Lebron locks down media better than anyone since Jordan. Never been a leak on anything he was doing. Impressive in this day and age.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 21, 2016, 10:17:16 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r06rvgRLSw

:skip
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 21, 2016, 02:54:31 PM
Feature writers have always been entertainers first, reporters second. So, some are going to go against the grain on players just for the attention or just as a writing exercise.

There were plenty of Jordan detractors back in the day. Right up until that last threepeat.


Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 21, 2016, 03:25:43 PM
Nope. Daily updates.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: Mandark on June 21, 2016, 03:31:39 PM
Guys, who wants to talk about which players currently in the NBA were better than Kobe?

I count six already, and you figure Anthony Davis and KAT are locks if they stay healthy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 21, 2016, 03:56:31 PM
In the coming years, we may see so many more people better than Kobe that Kobe may not make any historical lists.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: T234 on June 21, 2016, 03:59:31 PM
Quote from: Mandark on June 21, 2016, 03:31:39 PM
Guys, who wants to talk about which players currently in the NBA were better than Kobe?

I count six already, and you figure Anthony Davis and KAT are locks if they stay healthy.

Calipari-era Kentucky players doin big thangs in the NBA.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2016, 05:10:41 PM
Quote from: T234 on June 21, 2016, 03:59:31 PM
Quote from: Mandark on June 21, 2016, 03:31:39 PM
Guys, who wants to talk about which players currently in the NBA were better than Kobe?

I count six already, and you figure Anthony Davis and KAT are locks if they stay healthy.

Calipari-era Kentucky players doin big thangs in the NBA.
They probably made more money at Kentucky than they got in their NBA rookie contracts.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 21, 2016, 06:35:58 PM
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1787124141525282&id=1654898854747812

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1787142794856750&id=1654898854747812
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2016, 08:56:17 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 20, 2016, 10:45:48 PM
Skip is bad but the worst is still Ric Bucher in my book. He's never stopped uttering dumb shit 24/7

http://247sports.com/Bolt/Ric-Bucher-LeBron-James-isnt-one-of-the-all-time-greats-45836335
https://twitter.com/RicBucher/status/390213800437088256
Quote
Ric BucherVerified account
‏@RicBucher
“@hoops_fan: Do you still think Rose is better than Lebron? #AskRic” LeBron has come a long way and I admire him for it. I'd still go w/DR.
1:33 PM - 15 Oct 2013

can't find his epic espn chat where he was defending himself and Rose against the "ignorant" for like an hour by citing how he talks to sources and they don't, so he knows that Rose is better unlike some uninformed fan who can't talk to actual NBA sources
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2016, 10:07:28 PM
pretty sure this was written specifically to give Walrus a stroke

NY Times: The Arc of the LeBron James Story Reaches Its Climax (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/22/sports/basketball/lebron-james-nba-title-cleveland.html?smid=tw-nytsports&smtyp=cur)

:whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 21, 2016, 10:31:58 PM
Quote from: Mandark on June 21, 2016, 03:31:39 PM
Guys, who wants to talk about which players currently in the NBA were better than Kobe?

I count six already, and you figure Anthony Davis and KAT are locks if they stay healthy.

Lebron
Westbrook
Durant
Curry


:dunno
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: Huff on June 21, 2016, 11:24:31 PM
Dwight
JJ Re-dick
Dr. Peppers guy
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2016, 11:30:08 PM
Speaking of Dwight and Ric Bucher:
Quote
Considering that amount of history, Ric Bucher of Bleacher Report predicts that D12 will return to his old stomping grounds this offseason:

"I'm gonna say Dwight Howard is headed back to Orlando. I've actually heard that the Magic are warming to the idea it doesn't mean that it's a done deal. but ultimately Dwight wants to go someplace where he's a little more appreciated, that hasn't been the case in Houston. And now that the Magic have Frank Vogel, who did wonders with Roy Hibbert, it makes all the sense in the world that Dwight would be a nice fit. Especially given the Magic haven't been relevant in the Eastern Conference for awhile and they're not going to land a big-name free agent other than Dwight Howard."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: Mandark on June 21, 2016, 11:31:04 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 21, 2016, 10:31:58 PM
Lebron
Westbrook
Durant
Curry


:dunno

What do you have against Tim Duncan!?!?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: curly on June 21, 2016, 11:32:21 PM
Duncan, KG, Wade
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2016, 11:38:25 PM
the Curry family is just getting annihilated: https://vine.co/v/5B7VP20thzg
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: benjipwns on June 22, 2016, 12:20:50 AM
Kawhi potentially.

I thought he had already made his big leap before this year but this year happened.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 22, 2016, 06:04:41 AM
Quote from: Mandark on June 21, 2016, 11:31:04 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 21, 2016, 10:31:58 PM
Lebron
Westbrook
Durant
Curry


:dunno

What do you have against Tim Duncan!?!?


Crap I always forget him! Yes, Duncan too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 22, 2016, 06:05:18 AM
Quote from: curly on June 21, 2016, 11:32:21 PM
Duncan, KG, Wade

KG? No

Wade? No
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 22, 2016, 08:02:37 AM
Dude this traffic in and around Cleveland in fucking insane this morning. Wife and kids are going to parade and I'm going all the way to the east side and I got here first. Damn.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: Kara on June 22, 2016, 03:30:27 PM
Rose to the Knicks. We are truly blessed. :aah
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: Beezy on June 22, 2016, 03:58:15 PM
I don't know what to think about this. But it's an expiring one year contract and we had no hope anyway next season so whatever.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 22, 2016, 05:07:55 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--pacers-acquire-jeff-teague-in-3-team-deal-183140010.html

Teague to Pacers, George Hill to the Jazz, 12th pick to the Hawks
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2016, 05:15:38 PM
Quote from: Beezy on June 22, 2016, 03:58:15 PM
I don't know what to think about this. But it's an expiring one year contract and we had no hope anyway next season so whatever.
(https://www.vidble.com/uFWrXWi98z.png)

I hope Rose comes back healthy and proves everyone wrong :tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: Mandark on June 22, 2016, 06:05:18 PM
Knicks gonna get Dwight Howard and win the 2011 title.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 22, 2016, 06:24:30 PM
Quote from: Mandark on June 22, 2016, 06:05:18 PM
Knicks gonna get Dwight Howard and win the 2011 title.

:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 22, 2016, 06:34:27 PM
On the one hand I feel bad for Rose, but on the other hand I'm stoked cuz fuck tha knicks
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: El Babua on June 22, 2016, 07:43:55 PM
Heat got no draft picks this year.

Hoping our rooks make a leap, sign Wade/Hassan, and we're good enough to draw free agents for 2017.  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2016, 07:50:25 PM
Just saw the rumor about Denzel Valentine allegedly having a degenerative knee issue which is the reason why he's falling down draft boards everywhere. His defense really improved during the season and you could tell that the fall off during the Big Ten tournament and NCAA tournament was injury related. Scrubs were blowing past him, he was slow on offense, etc.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: Beezy on June 22, 2016, 10:17:03 PM
Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on June 22, 2016, 06:34:27 PM
On the one hand I feel bad for Rose, but on the other hand I'm stoked cuz fuck tha knicks
u bitch :(

I want Phil Jackson the fuck out of my city if he really gets that pussy Dwight Howard.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: bluemax on June 22, 2016, 10:45:27 PM
Quote from: Mandark on June 20, 2016, 11:11:30 PM
Woj basically trades favorable coverage for access, so you get some astoundingly one-sided "behind the scenes" stories from him.  I assume he's never been able to get a source inside LeBron's camp, and that's the root of his grudge.  Or maybe he just has some weird fixation like Walrus.

Either way, it's profoundly weird that he's made a career of writing about a sport he seemingly doesn't even like.

Joe Buck hates all sports and yet he gets paid to announce them.

Quote from: Brehvolution on June 21, 2016, 03:56:31 PM
In the coming years, we may see so many more people better than Kobe that Kobe may not make any historical lists.

Kobe wasn't even a top 5 player in most of the seasons he played.

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on June 22, 2016, 05:17:42 PM
Considering Rose's injury prone status, Knicks' cursed team status, and it being 2016 I fear for his life.

Don't forget Rose has a court date on the same day the pre-season begins.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: benjipwns on June 22, 2016, 11:37:59 PM
Quote from: Brehvolution on June 21, 2016, 10:17:16 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r06rvgRLSw

:skip
Quote
edlu881 day ago
"Stephen, which wire do we cut to defuse the bomb?"

"I LOVE RED, I THINK IT'S A GREAT COLOR, BUT THERE'S ONLY ONE WIRE THAT HAS A CHANCE OF DEACTIVATING THAT EXPLOSIVE. I'M GONNA HAVE TO GO WITH BLUE."

everything explodes
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: benjipwns on June 23, 2016, 04:32:49 AM
Quote
BREAKING: LeBron James says he’ll return to Cavaliers to defend title in 2016-17 NBA season, per @clevelanddotcom
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 23, 2016, 05:11:09 AM
It's not my theory, a few people have speculated that he wants to be an owner one day, preferably of the Cavs.

He has the championship now which potentially makes it easier to leave but I doubt he will. Irving is only going to get better, might as well stay and see what can happen. Attract more ring chasing vets plus some solid role players and go to the finals a few more times.

GS remains a major threat of course, it's not like they're going to disappear. I wonder how they'll re-group and who they'll sign.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 23, 2016, 08:45:03 AM
Oh how the tides of turned.

GS went from unbeatable monster to "wonder who they'll sign to combat the Cavs next year?"

:hitler


As for ownership I would not be surprised if he has a clause in his contract. It's not secret Gilbert wants the Lions or Browns so I could see Lebron sliding in while DG moves into new things in 5/10 years, sure.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The King delivers the ring)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 23, 2016, 11:12:41 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on June 23, 2016, 11:09:09 AM
Quote from: bluemax on June 22, 2016, 10:45:27 PM
Kobe wasn't even a top 5 player in most of the seasons he played.

This is the dumbest thing I've read in my life. You should honestly get raped by a walking cactus.

:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 23, 2016, 01:36:26 PM
I don't think we've dapped AiA for being right for once. I didn't believe dude, I thought the Cavs were done before the series even started.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 23, 2016, 02:09:45 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 23, 2016, 01:36:26 PM
I don't think we've dapped AiA for being right for once. I didn't believe dude, I thought the Cavs were done before the series even started.

It should be known as the "Nut tap" in Oakland from here on out. Who knew that was the key to bringing out beast mode Lebron?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 23, 2016, 02:16:32 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2016/06/lebron_james_and_the_next_part.html#incart_maj-story-1

PD,

Peep these short Lebron made videos if you want an idea of what the absolute best sports fans in the world do when the King breaks the curse.

I always wanted to play for Cleveland. Things never broke out for me to do so. But now at least I get to vicariously live through it for a few minutes.

Hats off, King, you got my respeck.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: Your Stalker on June 23, 2016, 06:26:32 PM
https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/746059543579340800

(http://i.imgur.com/PEV3Pjr.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: eleuin on June 23, 2016, 06:56:24 PM
daps retracted  :yuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 23, 2016, 06:57:30 PM
I wasn't at the parade.

Just the after party :hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: naff on June 23, 2016, 08:02:18 PM
Quote from: Your Stalker on June 23, 2016, 06:26:32 PM
https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/746059543579340800

(http://i.imgur.com/PEV3Pjr.png)

 :confused plz someone explain, does this have something to do with the browns?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 23, 2016, 09:19:59 PM
Ibaka getting dealt to Orlando for Oladipo, Ilyasova and Sabonis

talks between Minnesota and Chicago to deal Jimmy look unlikely right now
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 23, 2016, 09:37:11 PM
Valentine to Chicago. Trade one PG with bad knees in order to draft a PG with (allegedly) bad knees brehs

hope it works out for him. Good guy.

where is jakefromstatefarm. Thoughts on Buddy Hield? I was on the hype bus during the season but I'm not sure his game translates to the NBA like that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 23, 2016, 10:07:49 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 23, 2016, 09:37:11 PM
where is jakefromstatefarm. Thoughts on Buddy Hield? I was on the hype bus during the season but I'm not sure his game translates to the NBA like that.
there's no way his jumper doesn't translate. Oklahoma played a relatively pro style offense; he handled the ball in the PnR, was depended on to score in iso. Adequate size for a sg, strong, not too quick. I'm a believer, mostly because he's a legit elite shooter and that won't ever go out of demand, same reason I like Jamal Murray. I think him in New Orleans with Alvin Gentry is about as good a situation he could've hoped for outside of Boston. Gun to my head, Hield is the 3rd best player right now in this draft
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 23, 2016, 10:18:00 PM
Overall it's a weak draft, which is why I don't really mind Boston taking a flyer on Brown at 3 or Minnesota doing the same with Dunn at 5*. Simmons and Ingram are the only sure things, and even those guys each have a handful of question marks

I like the Valentine pick, he fits into Chicago perfectly and he's an actual known commodity; it feels like a lot of teams are just punting on these international players

spoiler (click to show/hide)
*the issue here is Minnesota doesn't realize it's a flyer, which is a problem
[close]
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 23, 2016, 10:21:45 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on June 23, 2016, 09:19:59 PM
Ibaka getting dealt to Orlando for Oladipo, Ilyasova and Sabonis

talks between Minnesota and Chicago to deal Jimmy look unlikely right now

damn.  who the fuck do the thunder have as a third man now
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 23, 2016, 10:39:53 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 23, 2016, 10:21:45 PM
damn.  who the fuck do the thunder have as a third man now
tbf, this has been the question for 4 years now.

out of all the replacement shooting guards tried out since Hardon left -Martin, Lamb, Waiters- I like Oladipo the most by a wide margin. I didn't like how Ibaka's game developed these past few years, but he's still a good fit on that team if only as a versatile defender at the 4, which is really important. Now who do you start? Kanter? Durant (if he stays)? They just got a lot worse defensively and I like all the guys they got in return for Serge.

what's the deal with Deyonta Davis, anybody know? I remember benji saying he was the best player on MSU this past season and yet...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 23, 2016, 10:46:48 PM
yo, evidently Skal averaged 6 and 3 on 15 minutes a game as a 7 footer at fucking Kentucky :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: dkdk on June 23, 2016, 11:02:35 PM
skal had no heart and he also sucked. terrible combo as you can imagine.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 23, 2016, 11:26:02 PM
Golden State just picked up Onuaku from Milwaukee. Festus is so gone

e: wrong pick, they took a wing out of UNLV
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 23, 2016, 11:30:34 PM
Lakers win this draft. Watch.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 23, 2016, 11:31:54 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 23, 2016, 10:21:45 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on June 23, 2016, 09:19:59 PM
Ibaka getting dealt to Orlando for Oladipo, Ilyasova and Sabonis

talks between Minnesota and Chicago to deal Jimmy look unlikely right now

damn.  who the fuck do the thunder have as a third man now

Third man?

Bestbrook: PG
Oladipo: SG
Durant: SF

:ufup
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 24, 2016, 12:05:16 AM
And nothing in terms on inside offense
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 24, 2016, 12:34:00 AM
Isaiah Cousins over Gary Payton Jr. is legit one of the dumbest picks of the night

Denver did well, Boston did not so well, Lakers did really well

boring draft and it took 5 hours
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: El Babua on June 24, 2016, 12:55:18 AM
Fell asleep during the middle portion of the first round.

I think Lakers made the right pick, we shall see tho
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: benjipwns on June 24, 2016, 01:26:53 AM
Davis apparently had terrible individual workouts.

That's not really too surprising as the things he does well are all those things you have to do in a game situation, sneaking in for offensive boards/putbacks, covering up defensive holes your teammates left all over, cutting straight to the hoop because the entire other team is trying to trap Valentine and Forbes, etc.

He doesn't have great ballhandling and his jumper is decent but he's not really a stretch four, etc. all the things people would want from a PF nowadays. And he's not strong enough to play center against real ones.

Could be one of those DeJuan Blair type picks especially since he's going to Memphis. Z-Bo and Gasol will make him bulk up.

Valentine's got a good chance of being labeled a bust now that he became a lottery pick, is going to the Bulls post-Rose, exists in the wake of Draymond, that new facial hair, etc.

Speaking of Draymond, I was kinda hoping Davis would go there when he started cratering.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: benjipwns on June 24, 2016, 01:39:16 AM
I really like that Ibaka deal. Oladipo fixes their biggest hole and gives them that third playmaker who has options other than "shoot" which makes Waiters actually seem worth keeping around since they can get away with pairing the two. They won't really be too much worse off up front consider they've already got a shit load of bigs and they added two more with Ersan and Sabonis who can do that little stretch four thing. And Durant can play there too. It also means they can stop pretending Andre Roberson is a two guard. Or any kind of perimeter player.

Pacers deals are a little odd to me, but so was signing Monta Ellis. Not that Hill and a pick for Young and Teague is a bad swap or anything, just that it's kinda an odd swap. Like when they dealt for Evan Turner, it doesn't really seem to fit with their system. But I guess that will change with Vogel out.

I absolutely love that the Sixers are going to play Simmons as a point guard damn the consequences. Also, their fans had the best signs by far.

Nuggets had a sneaky little draft I thought, adding in some nice fits. It probably won't make them much better as they still haven't had any of their guys break out to that next level they need, Mudiay might, but I like that they're continuing with that "waves of depth" concept they went with post-Melo.

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on June 23, 2016, 10:46:48 PM
yo, evidently Skal averaged 6 and 3 on 15 minutes a game as a 7 footer at fucking Kentucky :dead
He was actually rebounding even worse for the first half of the season. Everytime I'd look at Chad Ford's latest update I'd be like...why is a 7 footer who gets 2 rebounds a game in college your #2 guy?

He doesn't really block shots either. And they kept calling him a stretch four...except his range is like 12 feet or some shit.

 :dizzy
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: benjipwns on June 24, 2016, 01:40:19 AM
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Forman says he still hasn't spoken to Derrick Rose.
:hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: benjipwns on June 24, 2016, 02:13:39 AM
Skai by month, so he did turn into a more legit big man at the end of the season...and he also did better blocking than I recalled...per 36 min, roughly the same amount of games in each month except March which is affected by their tournaments length obviously
pts/rebs - blks
Nov: 20.0/6.7 - 3.33
Dec: 8.5/5.5 - 3.39
Jan: 15.4/4.8 - 3.86
Feb: 8.3/8.3 - 3.24
Mar: 18.7/10.7 - 5.00

Just for comparsies, UK's also rail-thin frosh Noel:
Nov: 13.7/9.5 - 3.62
Dec: 11.5/12.4 - 5.11
Jan: 10.0/9.9 - 6.66
Feb: 13.4/12.0 - 3.14

Deyonta :teehee
Nov: 20.2/10.4 - 4.36
Dec: 13.9/12.2 - 4.42
Jan: 13.7/11.7 - 3.62
Feb: 11.2/10.2 - 3.41
Mar: 12.9/8.0 - 1.85
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: benjipwns on June 25, 2016, 05:10:17 AM
Joakim Noah says he's not returning to the Bulls.

Chandler Parsons is going to seek a max contract starting at $22 million.

Apparently the Dellavedova bidding will start at $10 million a year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 25, 2016, 10:10:03 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 25, 2016, 05:10:17 AM
Chandler Parsons is going to seek a max contract starting at $22 million.

Apparently the Dellavedova bidding will start at $10 million a year.

 :heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: Kara on June 25, 2016, 11:35:59 AM
Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on June 25, 2016, 06:56:39 AM
Lakers got a good draft. Just wondering who they'll sign now. I'm not delusional enough to think we'll get Durant this off season but a man can dream.

I'm all for Horford in spite of drafting a Center. Who from what I hear isn't a very good defensive Center.

Nothing long-term, don't let Jim Buss shit up the team more than he already has before he resigns.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 25, 2016, 11:45:45 AM
Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on June 25, 2016, 06:56:39 AM
Lakers got a good draft. Just wondering who they'll sign now. I'm not delusional enough to think we'll get Durant this off season but a man can dream.

I'm all for Horford in spite of drafting a Center. Who from what I hear isn't a very good defensive Center.

Max contract chandler Parsons ahoy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 23)
Post by: dkdk on June 25, 2016, 12:08:15 PM
Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on June 25, 2016, 06:56:39 AM
Lakers got a good draft. Just wondering who they'll sign now. I'm not delusional enough to think we'll get Durant this off season but a man can dream.

I'm all for Horford in spite of drafting a Center. Who from what I hear isn't a very good defensive Center.

Id rather get young Whiteside
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: eleuin on June 25, 2016, 01:45:09 PM
Is a team really going to pay barnes the max despite his disappearing act in the finals
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: Mandark on June 25, 2016, 02:33:22 PM
There's a TON of cap space, a weak FA class, and short contracts.

Players are going to get paid and people are going to freak out about it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 25, 2016, 10:46:31 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on June 25, 2016, 10:33:17 PM
Quote from: eleuin on June 25, 2016, 01:45:09 PM
Is a team really going to pay barnes the max despite his disappearing act in the finals

Dude put up 11 & 5 with a 12 PER in the season. Fuck the Finals, he just isn't a very good player.

How good do you expect him to be as the 4th option on offense, at best?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 25, 2016, 11:34:05 PM
Teams have to fill their salary caps. And players have to get paid. So I don't begrudge anybody making bank. It's just funny to think of players like Barnes and Parsons getting the max and teams trying to build around them.

But more power to em. Maybe they will surprise me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 25, 2016, 11:45:45 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 25, 2016, 11:34:05 PM
Teams have to fill their salary caps. And players have to get paid. So I don't begrudge anybody making bank. It's just funny to think of players like Barnes and Parsons getting the max and teams trying to build around them.

But more power to em. Maybe they will surprise me.

The thing with Barnes is he ha has so many chances to be the man, since college. And has never stepped up. I just don't think he's hungry enough to be anything but a nice 7-8 man coming off the bench for a solid playoff team.

:yeshrug
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: Kara on June 26, 2016, 12:37:05 PM
Much as I don't care for PER, being below 15 for any reason is a huge red flag.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 26, 2016, 09:12:31 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BHHvqrwA28h/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 26, 2016, 09:23:37 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 26, 2016, 09:12:31 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BHHvqrwA28h/

Yeah. Us Cleveland people know this. Future coach figure.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 27, 2016, 10:38:50 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cl9gDMZVEAAQ9hG.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 27, 2016, 12:20:47 PM
Still going undefeated.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: dkdk on June 27, 2016, 10:28:19 PM
barnes is taking up the token white guy spot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 27, 2016, 10:29:38 PM
Quote from: dkdk on June 27, 2016, 10:28:19 PM
barnes is taking up the token white guy spot.

Thompson is the 3 point shooter with limited D.

:ufup
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 27, 2016, 10:32:45 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 27, 2016, 10:29:38 PM
Quote from: dkdk on June 27, 2016, 10:28:19 PM
barnes is taking up the token white guy spot.

Thompson is the 3 point shooter with limited D.

:ufup

Some guys are growers, not showers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: benjipwns on June 29, 2016, 05:28:38 PM
https://twitter.com/_MarcusD_/status/747463590592946176
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Fred Hoiberg excited to coach Brook Lopez
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: benjipwns on June 29, 2016, 05:31:15 PM
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The Philadelphia 76ers intend to make a serious push for Golden State Warriors restricted free agent Harrison Barnes when the NBA's offseason marketplace opens Friday at 12:01 a.m. ET, according to league sources.

And from ESPN's Most Overrated FA's article:
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Harrison Barnes

For most of this past season, Barnes was described in NBA circles as someone likely to command max money this summer.

Of course, his market value may have taken a hit after his disappearing act in the NBA Finals. With a championship on the line, Barnes shot a woeful 5-for-32 in Games 5, 6, and 7 combined, even as the Cavs repeatedly left him open and simply dared him to make plays. Suffice it to say that he came up short.

Barnes devotees will point to the fact that the 24-year-old is still young enough to see some improvement over the next couple of seasons. But we have a hard time identifying attributes that could make the former Tar Heel a max-level player. His 11.7 points per game certainly weren't anything to write home about. Neither were his subpar rates (per 36 minutes) of steals (0.7), assists (2.1) or blocks (0.2).

And while Barnes' 3-point production last season -- 38.3 percent accuracy on 214 long-range attempts -- gives the appearance of competence, a deeper dive suggests it might be a mirage. According to player tracking metrics on NBA.com, when Barnes launched 3s without being wide open (i.e., when there was a defender within six feet of him), he connected on a putrid 30.6 percent of his attempts.

Put Barnes on nearly any team besides Golden State -- that is, any team where open looks aren't the norm -- and he will almost certainly suffer a massive drop in shooting efficiency.

One of the few offensive metrics in which Barnes truly shines is his turnover rate, which was very low last season. Then again, he simply hasn't had to create much of his own offense on an elite Warriors team.

Yes, the Warriors outscored opponents by 10 points per 100 possessions with Barnes on the court last season. But he has shared ample court time with some of the best players in the league. When you have teammates such as Stephen Curry, Draymond Green and Klay Thompson, it's nearly inevitable that you'll post an impressive raw plus-minus number.

That's one of the major reasons we developed the RPM metric -- to provide an estimate of player impact after adjusting for the strength of his teammates and opponents. The resulting adjustment in Barnes' case is sobering: He had an anemic RPM rating of -1.3 last season.

In fact, the Warriors didn't miss a beat whenever Barnes went to the bench. They were actually two points better in net efficiency without him. So if they have to pay him anywhere near the maximum salary to entice Barnes to stay next season and beyond, the Warriors will almost certainly have overpaid.

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Hassan Whiteside

Kevin Pelton makes the case that the Los Angeles Lakers (and perhaps other teams) should gamble on Whiteside. Pelton lists the pros and cons of signing Whiteside, with good evidence on each side. For our money, though, the cons outweigh the pros.

Back in January, Whiteside joked that he was "just trying to get his NBA2K rating up." The truth, of course, is often told in jest, and Whiteside often played as if his top priority was beefing up his box score stats.

And he did put up some truly monstrous numbers -- including 4.6 blocks and 10.6 defensive boards per 36 minutes of play. Unfortunately, playing defense isn't just about blocking shots.

Sometimes -- especially for a 7-footer -- it's more effective just to stay in a solid defensive stance. When bigs are too eager to block shots, they end up biting on pump fakes and can actually make it easier for opponents to score. They also pick up lots of goaltending calls -- a category in which Whiteside nearly "led" the league.

The Miami Heat were actually worse defensively -- they allowed more points per possession -- with Whiteside on the floor last season. If we just look at his impressive block totals, Whiteside's on-off efficiency numbers with Miami make no sense.

But while Whiteside should be looking to emulate legendary bigs like Tim Duncan, who predicate every move on its ability to make the team better, he seems instead to have modeled his game after stat grubbers such as JaVale McGee.

Again, it's possible to put up huge numbers without actually helping the team all that much.

Consider: Whiteside is one of only nine players in the history of the NBA to dish out 30 or fewer assists in a season in which they played more than 2,000 minutes.

So, despite his gaudy numbers, Whiteside's lackluster predictive RPM value of 0.32 rates him as just a league-average player for his overall impact on the game. If he doesn't start playing fundamentally sound basketball next season -- an unlikely prospect, in our opinion -- his team will be left puzzling over their lackluster defense with Whiteside on the floor, and will end up realizing that Whiteside's new max contract was money poorly spent.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 29, 2016, 07:47:30 PM
http://thelab.bleacherreport.com/would-you-pay-dwight-howard-31-million/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 29, 2016, 09:00:45 PM
Personally I wouldn't pay that team crippling permanent 16 year old acting soft ass nicca 3.1 dollars. But that's just my real talk.


Skittle that, fuckhole.


He's a living example of "gimme that check and I'm out"

Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 29, 2016, 09:36:59 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on June 29, 2016, 09:33:58 PM
If he could hit his free throws, he'd be worth it.

Or rebound anymore, or not be a jelly belly ass bitch, or not impregnate every woman he meets, or shoot from beyond 6 feet, etc.

Nah bro, he's a cancer. I can't wait until he's out of the league. No use for bad rubbish.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: dkdk on June 29, 2016, 09:58:28 PM
hey he didnt impregnate any women while he was in houston and given the talent down there i DAMN sure didn't think that was possible.

so perhaps he might be getting better  :huh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 29, 2016, 10:00:48 PM
Full disclosure.

There are 3 people in life I can safely say I've had enough time to talk with to figure them out that I hate.

That list consists of

Dwight Howard
Barry Bonds
The man who shot my best friend growing up.


So take my disdain with this note.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: agrajag on June 29, 2016, 10:02:18 PM
If you're Don Riley, what do you do? Give Whiteside the Max, or let him walk? Throw money at Wade? Try to trade Dragic and let Whiteside walk, try to go after KD? He better not try any shenanigans with Derozan or Dwight  :shaq2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 29, 2016, 10:05:31 PM
Quote from: agrajag on June 29, 2016, 10:02:18 PM
If you're Don Riley, what do you do? Give Whiteside the Max, or let him walk? Throw money at Wade? Try to trade Dragic and let Whiteside walk, try to go after KD? He better not try any shenanigans with Derozan or Dwight  :shaq2
[/quote
Who's Don?

:dunno

Whiteside can't be replaced in this market. You keep him.


Time for Wade to go do his year with Lebron out of respect anyway. He owes him that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: agrajag on June 29, 2016, 10:07:35 PM
the Land doesn't have cap space for D Wade
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 29, 2016, 10:09:20 PM
Quote from: agrajag on June 29, 2016, 10:07:35 PM
the Land doesn't have cap space for D Wade

He'll come cheap, watch *wink
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 29, 2016, 10:19:41 PM
Man remember the 2004 draft. Dwight's dad, who is a preacher iirc, was doing various interviews talking about how religious his son was. Meanwhile Dwight did interviews and said he had never seen an R-rated movie before. Now he's got like 7 kids with 8 women or something. God works in mysterious ways.

I was a huge Emeka Okafor fan lol, watched him all through college. Ben Gordon too. I remember thinking Orlando made a mistake by drafting Dwight.
:dead

All that being said Okafor is a REALLY good dude. One of the few NBA players I really really wanted to meet.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: dkdk on June 29, 2016, 10:21:54 PM
oh man i felt so bad for Bobcats fans. not getting #1 set their franchise back to this day.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 29, 2016, 10:23:10 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 29, 2016, 10:19:41 PM
Man remember the 2004 draft. Dwight's dad, who is a preacher iirc, was doing various interviews talking about how religious his son was. Meanwhile Dwight did interviews and said he had never seen an R-rated movie before. Now he's got like 7 kids with 8 women or something. God works in mysterious ways.

I was a huge Emeka Okafor fan lol, watched him all through college. Ben Gordon too. I remember thinking Orlando made a mistake by drafting Dwight.
:dead

All that being said Okafor is a REALLY good dude. One of the few NBA players I really really wanted to meet.

OK is a great dude.

As for Howard dad, do some research. That's was all a ploy. Trust me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 29, 2016, 10:30:39 PM
All you need to know about Skittles


Go back many years

AiA "Man you kinda remind me of Alonzo"

Skittles "who, oh you mean kidney beans?"

AiA "yeah that classy"

Skittles "it's money and hoes man. Fuck them statues"


Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 29, 2016, 10:32:40 PM
Man that was back when I was heavily into the NBA alongside NCAA shit. One of my classmates at the time was from NY and a huge Sebastian Telfair stan, and I had another friend who was a huge Duke stan. I still remember them bitterly arguing over who would be the better NBA point guard, Telfair or Chris Duhon.

dkdk: don't forget the Bobcats also drafted Bernard Robinson. One of many U of M busts...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 29, 2016, 10:34:44 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 29, 2016, 10:32:40 PM
Man that was back when I was heavily into the NBA alongside NCAA shit. One of my classmates at the time was from NY and a huge Sebastian Telfair stan, and I had another friend who was a huge Duke stan. I still remember when bitterly arguing over who would be the better NBA point guard, Telfair or Chris Duhon.

dkdk: don't forget the Bobcats also drafted Bernard Robinson. One of many U of M busts...

Man you just gotta take Blue shots :tocry

Always loved Telfair myself.

B's problem was he couldn't lay off them painkillers FYI.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: dkdk on June 29, 2016, 10:36:12 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 29, 2016, 10:32:40 PM
Man that was back when I was heavily into the NBA alongside NCAA shit. One of my classmates at the time was from NY and a huge Sebastian Telfair stan, and I had another friend who was a huge Duke stan. I still remember them bitterly arguing over who would be the better NBA point guard, Telfair or Chris Duhon.

dkdk: don't forget the Bobcats also drafted Bernard Robinson. One of many U of M busts...

fuck  :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 29, 2016, 10:36:32 PM
Quote from: dkdk on June 29, 2016, 10:36:12 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 29, 2016, 10:32:40 PM
Man that was back when I was heavily into the NBA alongside NCAA shit. One of my classmates at the time was from NY and a huge Sebastian Telfair stan, and I had another friend who was a huge Duke stan. I still remember them bitterly arguing over who would be the better NBA point guard, Telfair or Chris Duhon.

dkdk: don't forget the Bobcats also drafted Bernard Robinson. One of many U of M busts...

fuck  :kobeyuck

Easy to say that now man.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 29, 2016, 10:41:06 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 29, 2016, 10:34:44 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 29, 2016, 10:32:40 PM
Man that was back when I was heavily into the NBA alongside NCAA shit. One of my classmates at the time was from NY and a huge Sebastian Telfair stan, and I had another friend who was a huge Duke stan. I still remember when bitterly arguing over who would be the better NBA point guard, Telfair or Chris Duhon.

dkdk: don't forget the Bobcats also drafted Bernard Robinson. One of many U of M busts...

Man you just gotta take Blue shots :tocry

Always loved Telfair myself.

Breh it's not a shot lol. That shit depresses me. All those Mr. Basketballs that never amounted to anything. When I was a kid I got to go to one of Michigan's bball camps, run by Steve Fisher. I met Robert "Tracker" Traylor, Maurice Taylor, Maceo Bastion, all those guys. That team was stacked. All of them were pretty nice but I remember Louis Bullock being kinda stand offish.

I got to learn post moves from Robert Traylor which was fun. RIP.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 29, 2016, 10:43:38 PM
RIP
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: benjipwns on June 29, 2016, 11:07:25 PM
I played in a pickup type capacity with Marcus Taylor once, was shocked he was ever considered lottery talent.

Dudes from Waverly were oddly eager not to be on his team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 30, 2016, 01:35:02 AM
Quote from: dkdk on June 29, 2016, 10:21:54 PM
oh man i felt so bad for Bobcats fans. not getting #1 set their franchise back to this day.
I agree, not landing unibrow must've been a huge letdown. (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/youngsabu.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2016, 03:53:49 AM
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The New York Knicks have emerged as strong favorites to sign free-agent big man Joakim Noah, according to league sources.

Sources told ESPN.com that multiple teams interested in Noah have all but conceded already that the Knicks are his runaway preferred destination in free agency.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2016, 04:40:16 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSKaHQePoOo
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Chasten Ruin12 hours ago
Damn Jaylen, why you gotta do Isaiah Thomas like that?
:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2016, 05:30:09 AM
on a four twinkie plus gummy vitamins diet? i don't think so
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: bluemax on July 01, 2016, 12:26:57 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 30, 2016, 05:30:09 AM
on a four twinkie plus gummy vitamins diet? i don't think so

Why you gotta talk about Derek Rose's diet like that. (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/587766-derrick-roses-stomach-ulcers-result-of-candy-abuse)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: Mandark on July 01, 2016, 12:44:40 AM
Quote from: Mandark on June 25, 2016, 02:33:22 PM
There's a TON of cap space, a weak FA class, and short contracts.

Players are going to get paid and people are going to freak out about it.

I just saw Woj tweet that the Lakers are looking to give Mozgov 4/$65M and now I'm freaking out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: Kara on July 01, 2016, 01:47:27 AM
The Jim Buss Save My Job Express :aah

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:brazilcry
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 01, 2016, 01:55:43 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on July 01, 2016, 01:48:58 AM
Mozgov at 4/64.

This is the stupidest deal in NBA history. The guy put up just over 6 and 4.

Sure, but if the past two years are anything to go by, this means that the Lakers will now make it to the finals and lose, which has to be counted as a wildly improbable improvement.

Aren't you thankful?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2016, 02:52:39 AM
lol at Lakers

I think Dwight is worth 30 million if that is what Mozgov is worth.

What is Biyombo gonna get considering he's much more valuable than Mozgov.



Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 begins the Kevin Durant chase)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 01, 2016, 07:55:46 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 01, 2016, 12:44:40 AM
Quote from: Mandark on June 25, 2016, 02:33:22 PM
There's a TON of cap space, a weak FA class, and short contracts.

Players are going to get paid and people are going to freak out about it.

I just saw Woj tweet that the Lakers are looking to give Mozgov 4/$65M and now I'm freaking out.

:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers land Mozgov for only 15 million a year!)
Post by: El Babua on July 01, 2016, 09:03:34 AM
Whiteside re-signs with Heat 4 year/98M
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers land Mozgov for only 15 million a year!)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 01, 2016, 10:18:29 AM
man got paid, good for him
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers land Mozgov for only 15 million a year!)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2016, 10:18:56 AM
Quote
Marc Stein
ESPN Senior Writer

Hearing Jeremy Lin landed a three-year deal worth $36 million from Brooklyn
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers land Mozgov for only 15 million a year!)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2016, 01:31:16 PM
Quote
Drummond agrees to max deal with Pistons

Andre Drummond and the Detroit Pistons have agreed on a five-year maximum contract in the $130 million range, according to league sources.


Jefferson, Pacers agree to deal

Al Jefferson is leaving Charlotte. The 31-year-old center and the Indiana Pacers have made a verbal agreement on a three-year, $30 million deal, according to league sources.


Beal to re-sign with Wizards for max

The Washington Wizards have agreed to a deal with Bradley Beal, according to sources. ESPN's Marc Stein reported earlier Friday the Wizards and Beal were near an agreement on a maximum five-year contract approaching $130 million.


Pistons agree to deal with Ish Smith

Point guard Ish Smith is bound for his 10th NBA team after he agreed to a three-year, $18 million contract with the Detroit Pistons, according to multiple reports.


Clarkson returning to Lakers

Jordan Clarkson has agreed to a four-year, $50 million deal to return to the Los Angeles Lakers, according to sources.


Batum going back to Charlotte

Nicolas Batum has agreed to a five-year, $120 million deal to re-sign with the Charlotte Hornets, according to a league source.


DeRozan agrees to stay in Toronto

DeMar DeRozan has decided to remain in a Toronto Raptors uniform, agreeing to a five-year, $139 million-plus deal soon after the free agency period began.
DeRozan's deal will pay him over $30 million a year in the last few years of it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's time to pay the price)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 01, 2016, 04:15:55 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on July 01, 2016, 04:04:29 PM
So that career mediocrity Evan Turner actually managed to get someone to pay him an All-Star salary to be a league-average shooting guard.

Fuck Evan Turner.
.
League average? D league you mean :confused
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's time to pay the price)
Post by: Your Stalker on July 01, 2016, 04:19:58 PM
Looks like Chandler Parsons got max offers from the Blazers and Grizz.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's time to pay the price)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2016, 04:44:23 PM
Every contract from last year is now an incredible bargain. Remember how that Tristan Thompson contract seemed a bit outrageous. Now its fine.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's time to pay the price)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 01, 2016, 07:01:18 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--dwight-howard-214304623.html

Good thing I don't give a shit about the Hawks, I guess. Although, this is like, infinitely better spent money than the Mozgov deal.

Quote
Free-agent center Dwight Howard has reached agreement on a three-year, $70.5 million deal with the Atlanta Hawks, league sources told The Vertical.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's time to pay the price)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2016, 07:24:10 PM
Grizzlies going to pay Conley and Parsons a combined ~$54 million a year.

O brave new world that has such contracts in it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's time to pay the price)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 01, 2016, 07:57:09 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2016, 04:44:23 PM
Every contract from last year is now an incredible bargain. Remember how that Tristan Thompson contract seemed a bit outrageous. Now its fine.

By proxy Kevin Love will be a pretty good deal in two years.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's time to pay the price)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 01, 2016, 07:58:10 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 01, 2016, 07:24:10 PM
Grizzlies going to pay Conley and Parsons a combined ~$54 million a year.

O brave new world that has such contracts in it.


I fucking love Conley

I'm completely ambivalent about Parsons. Probably due to his injuries. He did play well the last two healthy months he had last year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's time to pay the price)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2016, 08:23:08 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2016/07/01/oj-mayo-dismissed-nba-anti-drug/86603780/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's time to pay the price)
Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2016, 12:18:07 AM
Quote
As the Miami Heat focus on a Sunday meeting with Kevin Durant, free agent Dwyane Wade is intensifying talks with other teams, including the New York Knicks and Milwaukee Bucks, sources told ESPN.
Noah-Porzingis-Anthony-Wade-Rose

The ultimate Triangle Team!  :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's time to pay the price)
Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2016, 12:18:17 AM
Quote
Unrestricted free agent Jeff Green has reached a one-year, $15 million contract with the Orlando Magic, according to multiple reports.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's time to pay the price)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on July 02, 2016, 01:35:07 AM
Mike Conley is slated to make 30 million dollars a year brehs

One hundred and fifty three million in United States legal tender. Guaranteed.

:goty
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's time to pay the price)
Post by: Kara on July 02, 2016, 03:55:11 AM
#rememberwhen we had a work stoppage because contracts were too high and poorly run teams who put out poor products couldn't make money in spite of that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's time to pay the price)
Post by: Mandark on July 02, 2016, 04:01:24 AM
And even if you took the owners' claims at face value, they were all making money once you factored in capital appreciation.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's time to pay the price)
Post by: Your Stalker on July 02, 2016, 04:39:29 AM
Lakers fans on the coli are so delusional.  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's time to pay the price)
Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2016, 09:45:38 AM
Quote
Free agent Luol Deng has reached agreement on a four-year, $72 million deal with the Los Angeles Lakers
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's time to pay the price)
Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2016, 09:46:40 AM
Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on July 02, 2016, 09:15:28 AM
I wish I was a below average NBA player.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BHViQtNAd1O/
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/13561719_146262569111450_1036882220_n.jpg)
Quote
tmac213
Having a conversation about coming back because you see the $$$$ that's being handed out! @jermaineoneal
@stak5pa @theofficialai3
#midlevelplayersmaxdollars #ineedatrainer💪 #igotamonthleftinthetank
:sabu
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's time to pay the price)
Post by: Kara on July 02, 2016, 11:08:05 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 02, 2016, 09:45:38 AM
Quote
Free agent Luol Deng has reached agreement on a four-year, $72 million deal with the Los Angeles Lakers

Jim Buss can finally fulfill his dream of trading Kobe Bryant for Luol Deng (http://espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&page=Deng_Bryant).
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's time to pay the price)
Post by: eleuin on July 03, 2016, 05:29:03 PM
Quote
Alex Kennedy
‏@AlexKennedyNBA
Hearing Kevin Durant is strongly considering Warriors. He meets Thunder tonight, then he's likely to announce decision on @PlayersTribune.
https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/749693929390505984

Seems to be between okc and gs

pls go to gs for the internet meltdowns
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's time to pay the price)
Post by: dkdk on July 03, 2016, 05:35:15 PM
Quote from: Your Stalker on July 02, 2016, 04:39:29 AM
Lakers fans on the coli are so delusional.  :lol

nah theyre just fucking dumb. thats why i don't bother with the thread over there much.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's time to pay the price)
Post by: bluemax on July 03, 2016, 05:40:49 PM
Quote from: Your Stalker on July 02, 2016, 04:39:29 AM
Lakers fans are so delusional.  :lol

Fixed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's time to pay the price)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 04, 2016, 10:52:03 AM
From a wanting to win title it makes the most sense for him to sign with the Warriors so...

Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Decision - The Sequel)
Post by: eleuin on July 04, 2016, 11:41:03 AM
Its the warriors

congrats on the championship GS
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Decision - The Sequel)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 04, 2016, 11:45:33 AM
http://www.theplayerstribune.com/kevin-durant-nba-free-agency-announcement/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The Decision - The Sequel)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 04, 2016, 11:46:24 AM
It will be fun to see both sides. The whiners who will complain about this and the defenders who will say this is nothing like when Lebron went to Miami.

 :jawalrus
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Kara on July 04, 2016, 11:56:37 AM
#rememberwhen we had a work stoppage so that small market teams could compete with big market teams.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 04, 2016, 11:59:05 AM
Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on July 04, 2016, 11:55:42 AM
Whoa, OKC will not be happy.

Hopefully the owner makes a comic sans written rant.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: dkdk on July 04, 2016, 12:00:17 PM
this league is a farce

(https://media.giphy.com/media/2is92EX8vdH0c/giphy.gif)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
can't wait for the finals  :lol
[close]
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Your Stalker on July 04, 2016, 12:01:12 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/X5GiGsZ.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 04, 2016, 12:04:19 PM
Quote from: Angry OKC fan
Need a new city and new growth as a man.... so choose the most loaded team and easiest road possible???? A place where you can be passive and exist as the second or even third dog? A place where others have built all the foundation and you can come in in the 11th hour and try to squeak out a ring or two? Sorry, KD. You became a man of the times today... and we all thought you were something different. Mostly because you said yourself, for 8 years, that you were something different. But, you're not. Oh, you're a great guy. A good man. One to be considered a roll model for sure. But this decision reveals much as well. Enjoy hollow championships. Around here, we still like to earn things, no matter how long it takes or how much we have to commit to seeing things through.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 04, 2016, 12:06:43 PM
Quote from: KD in 2010
Kevin DurantVerified account
‏@KDTrey5
Now everybody wanna play for the heat and the Lakers? Let's go back to being competitive and going at these peoples!

 :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 04, 2016, 12:09:26 PM
Now the GSW will finally have a shot to take on the Heat and Lakers. :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: agrajag on July 04, 2016, 12:16:57 PM
If you can't beat them, join them  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on July 04, 2016, 12:22:00 PM
They ditched Max Barnes and brought in Kevin fucking Durant :dead :dead :dead

This is some cheat in association mode shit
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 04, 2016, 12:22:22 PM
:snoop
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 04, 2016, 12:23:22 PM
NBA 2k17 will be so garbage online.

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Samson Manhug on July 04, 2016, 12:23:35 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 04, 2016, 12:04:19 PM
Quote from: Angry OKC fan
<snip>

Yeah, my Facebook feed is filled with this. How quickly friendly and humble Oklahomans turn on their heroes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 04, 2016, 12:25:13 PM
Quote from: Samson Manhug on July 04, 2016, 12:23:35 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 04, 2016, 12:04:19 PM
Quote from: Angry OKC fan
<snip>

Yeah, my Facebook feed is filled with this. How quickly friendly and humble Oklahomans turn on their heroes.

I love stuff like this. I love when sports man-babies have to confront the reality that their passion is a business and nobody actually loves them. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Yulwei on July 04, 2016, 12:25:18 PM
Wow next season is going to be boring as fuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: agrajag on July 04, 2016, 12:27:53 PM
D Wade to OKC?
 :mindblown
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 04, 2016, 12:27:55 PM
For what its worth I'm happy about it. I love to see star teams. I love the drama. I love the spectacle. I like seeing them try to be great and succeed or fail/ I loved it when the Heat formed. I love this team forming. The rest of the league will eventually adjust. (Or get ran over I guess.)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 04, 2016, 12:29:43 PM
Quote
Skip Bayless ‏@RealSkipBayless  4m4 minutes ago
As I kept trying to tell my man Stephen A, this was about KD deciding he couldn't win a ring w/ Russell Westbrook as his point guard.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on July 04, 2016, 12:37:14 PM
Quote from: Yulwei on July 04, 2016, 12:25:18 PM
Wow next season is going to be boring as fuck
the Warriors will be the best team in basketball history outside of the olympics. Oklahoma City fans will finally know what despair feels like. LeBron will still get a chance to shit on everyone's parade in the finals
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: eleuin on July 04, 2016, 12:39:45 PM
the cavs superteam that paid the most luxury tax is now the underdog :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 04, 2016, 12:41:28 PM
He's getting eviscerated. It's gonna make him play even better this season.


:snoop
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 04, 2016, 12:42:00 PM
Quote from: eleuin on July 04, 2016, 12:39:45 PM
the cavs superteam that paid the most luxury tax is now the underdog :lol

They gotta max Steph next season. So hold tight.


PS I'd if I'm OKC there will be no damn sign and trade.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 04, 2016, 12:47:36 PM
Kinda funny how the max salary contracts actually help create these super teams a little bit. By suppressing what the top players can earn you create these situations where a true superstar is actually the most reasonable contract you can pay.


The warriors were of course uniquely setup to capitalize on this situation because Curry is so under-paid based on his contract scale.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on July 04, 2016, 12:50:20 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/LILBTHEBASEDGOD/status/750006844953759745
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 04, 2016, 01:02:06 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwuiMlhKCGw
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Your Stalker on July 04, 2016, 01:08:22 PM
fuckin lil b  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: eleuin on July 04, 2016, 01:27:18 PM
durant didn't even have to apologize and the curse was lifted  smh shut it down
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Yulwei on July 04, 2016, 01:27:52 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on July 04, 2016, 12:50:20 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/LILBTHEBASEDGOD/status/750006844953759745

Still based after all these years lmao

Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 04, 2016, 01:02:06 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwuiMlhKCGw

Was watching this live. So great
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 04, 2016, 01:32:23 PM
https://twitter.com/netw3rk/status/750008834110939137
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Kara on July 04, 2016, 01:35:25 PM
I should start buying Warriors car flags from China. I'll make a killing selling them in LA.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 04, 2016, 02:56:53 PM
Pau to the Spurs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on July 04, 2016, 02:59:13 PM
Mavs offering Barnes 4 yr/95 million

:goty
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: El Babua on July 04, 2016, 03:29:44 PM
Cavs should sign Seth Curry for fuckery purposes :trollbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 04, 2016, 03:45:20 PM
http://deadspin.com/we-live-in-a-magical-world-1783086436
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Rman on July 04, 2016, 06:14:11 PM
This is incredibly weak by Durant. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Mandark on July 04, 2016, 06:19:24 PM
Cavs can't let this go without a response.

They gotta match that offer sheet for Delly.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 04, 2016, 06:23:22 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 04, 2016, 06:19:24 PM
Cavs can't let this go without a response.

They gotta match that offer sheet for Delly.
Seth Curry is still a FA right?
(http://i.imgur.com/LolohBz.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 04, 2016, 06:25:47 PM
Here's my predictions


Warriors win title next year
Durant opts out
Westbrook signs with LA
Durant signs with LA
Walrus bitches about slowing down Russell's development with an old ass Westbrook.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 04, 2016, 08:36:28 PM
Ugh, this is such horseshit

Poor OKC.

Yeah you have to think that the Warriors win next year...but I don't think this is as much of an uber team as people think.  Durant was pretty bad in these playoffs if I'm not mistaken, and Curry just wasn't hitting shots in the Finals...Bogut is most assuredly gone, which was a pretty big deal against the Cavs.  Do the Warriors actually play better without a typical center who allows better spacing for their shooters?

Curry
Thompson
Durant
Green
I guess Zaza now?

I don't know.  They will definitely have a really easy path to the Finals especially considering OKC will be in ruins and San Antonio is looking like it'll be Duncan-less, but I'm not convinced they destroy Cleveland or Miami in the finals next year
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 04, 2016, 09:24:38 PM
Pau went to spurs.

Rinse, reload.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Syph on July 04, 2016, 09:48:07 PM
Man Warriors are gonna be too much next year lol just wow
RIP Based God curse

On an unrelated note go Knicks (well really go Melo and D Rose but ya know)
Also hoping Dwade bites on that offer to stay in Miami (where would he go?)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: vas_a_morir on July 05, 2016, 01:08:52 AM
KD is the most beta superstar I've ever seen.  He's just gonna let Steph (fixed) Curry wolololo his ass like that?

They look unstoppable, but regressions and health problems have been known to occur before. I'll say this: I don't expect another 70 win season. 

And who would have thought Lebron would be beloved and KD would become a heel?  Dude brought the first major pro sports title back to Ohio in 26 years. Can't hate that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 05, 2016, 01:29:29 AM
Lebron also went to 57% win percentage team when he switched up.  Where his supporting cast outside of Wade and Bosh was Bibby, House, and Chalmers.

Lebron went to Miami because he was confident in the stars – NOT because the team was good.

Durant is going to a team that already has 4 of the 15 best players in the league and is coming off the best regular season of all time.  It would be like if   It's dickless for him to go there.  Boston would make sense.  This is just an opportunity for him to ride Curry and Kerr's coattails.  This is like if Karl Malone went to the Bulls after the 97 finals.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on July 05, 2016, 06:39:03 AM
Really pissed Lil B half stepped on this shit
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 05, 2016, 06:48:46 AM
Quote from: vas_a_morir on July 05, 2016, 01:08:52 AM
KD is the most beta superstar I've ever seen.  He's just gonna let Seth Curry wolololo his ass like that?

They look unstoppable, but regressions and health problems have been known to occur before. I'll say this: I don't expect another 70 win season. 

And who would have thought Lebron would be beloved and KD would become a heel?  Dude brought the first major pro sports title back to Ohio in 26 years. Can't hate that.

Seth Curry? First title in 26 years? Dude you got absolutely nothing right in this paragraph, wow.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 05, 2016, 11:00:40 AM
Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on July 05, 2016, 07:51:59 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 04, 2016, 08:36:28 PM
I don't know.  They will definitely have a really easy path to the Finals especially considering OKC will be in ruins and San Antonio is looking like it'll be Duncan-less, but I'm not convinced they destroy Cleveland or Miami in the finals next year

They won't get to 70 again. We've seen these superteams happen before and they never really amount to their full potential. There's too many variables, it's never as simple as this superstar will join the other superstars and they'll produce exactly the same numbers they did apart. They could win it all this year, but I'm not expecting them to crush the buildings doing so. At least not right away.

Spurs are a great team with or without Duncan. I wouldn't count them out, honestly. The season hasn't started yet so we'll see.

What's going to kill GS is depth in the playoffs. And interior defense.

What's going to help GS is that nobody in the west got better. Gasol offers 0 interior defense for the Spurs which will offset his offensive gains he brings, The Clippers are still shit, and obviously barring a major move OKC is weaker.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: vas_a_morir on July 05, 2016, 11:31:53 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 05, 2016, 06:48:46 AM
Quote from: vas_a_morir on July 05, 2016, 01:08:52 AM
KD is the most beta superstar I've ever seen.  He's just gonna let Seth Curry wolololo his ass like that?

They look unstoppable, but regressions and health problems have been known to occur before. I'll say this: I don't expect another 70 win season. 

And who would have thought Lebron would be beloved and KD would become a heel?  Dude brought the first major pro sports title back to Ohio in 26 years. Can't hate that.

Seth Curry? First title in 26 years? Dude you got absolutely nothing right in this paragraph, wow.

Steph, bro.  And it had been 26 years since 1990, which was the last time any pro sports team in Ohio had won anything.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 05, 2016, 11:38:52 AM
Quote from: vas_a_morir on July 05, 2016, 11:31:53 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 05, 2016, 06:48:46 AM
Quote from: vas_a_morir on July 05, 2016, 01:08:52 AM
KD is the most beta superstar I've ever seen.  He's just gonna let Seth Curry wolololo his ass like that?

They look unstoppable, but regressions and health problems have been known to occur before. I'll say this: I don't expect another 70 win season. 

And who would have thought Lebron would be beloved and KD would become a heel?  Dude brought the first major pro sports title back to Ohio in 26 years. Can't hate that.

Seth Curry? First title in 26 years? Dude you got absolutely nothing right in this paragraph, wow.

Steph, bro.  And it had been 26 years since 1990, which was the last time any pro sports team in Ohio had won anything.

1. YOU typed Seth instead of Steph. It's right there in the quoted text.

2. No one has ever given a shit about Ohio in the whole narrative; it's always been Cleveland specifically, which hasn't had a sports championship since 1964 until LeBron won the city one.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: vas_a_morir on July 05, 2016, 11:43:26 AM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on July 05, 2016, 11:38:52 AM
Quote from: vas_a_morir on July 05, 2016, 11:31:53 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 05, 2016, 06:48:46 AM
Quote from: vas_a_morir on July 05, 2016, 01:08:52 AM
KD is the most beta superstar I've ever seen.  He's just gonna let Seth Curry wolololo his ass like that?

They look unstoppable, but regressions and health problems have been known to occur before. I'll say this: I don't expect another 70 win season. 

And who would have thought Lebron would be beloved and KD would become a heel?  Dude brought the first major pro sports title back to Ohio in 26 years. Can't hate that.

Seth Curry? First title in 26 years? Dude you got absolutely nothing right in this paragraph, wow.

Steph, bro.  And it had been 26 years since 1990, which was the last time any pro sports team in Ohio had won anything.

1. YOU typed Seth instead of Steph. It's right there in the quoted text.

2. No one has ever given a shit about Ohio in the whole narrative; it's always been Cleveland specifically, which hasn't had a sports championship since 1964 until LeBron won the city one.

1. I don't deny that I typed Seth. I fixed the mistake.
2. Nobody cares about that narrative. I do, though, as it's the first time in my life that a team I liked that was kinda local (no real NBA team in Southern Ohio) has won a championship.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2016, 11:48:02 AM
So I guess this means the Cavs will trade Love before the All Star Break next season?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 05, 2016, 11:49:24 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2016, 11:48:02 AM
So I guess this means the Cavs will trade Love before the All Star Break next season?

Worst known secret in the NBA right now is that if you give us a quality 2 or 3 we will move love.

But God please don't make it Melo.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 05, 2016, 11:50:56 AM
Quote from: vas_a_morir on July 05, 2016, 11:31:53 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 05, 2016, 06:48:46 AM
Quote from: vas_a_morir on July 05, 2016, 01:08:52 AM
KD is the most beta superstar I've ever seen.  He's just gonna let Seth Curry wolololo his ass like that?

They look unstoppable, but regressions and health problems have been known to occur before. I'll say this: I don't expect another 70 win season. 

And who would have thought Lebron would be beloved and KD would become a heel?  Dude brought the first major pro sports title back to Ohio in 26 years. Can't hate that.

Seth Curry? First title in 26 years? Dude you got absolutely nothing right in this paragraph, wow.

Steph, bro.  And it had been 26 years since 1990, which was the last time any pro sports team in Ohio had won anything.

I live in Northeast Ohio. You can't even fake a fanship here. We ain't got no room on the train pal, sorry.

We earned this and unlike Miami we don't cater to Johnny come lately types who can't even get basic details correct.


Dude trying to hype a crunch title like it mean a shit :gladbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 05, 2016, 12:01:07 PM
Observation: with cap space in the NBA just constantly rising, it doesn't seem like it makes sense for superstars to sign anything other than a one year deal with an option for a 2nd, never exercise the option, then just keep signing one year deals, which makes the market more volatile and stars more likely to move around.

Or is that just my imagination and there's always been this much movement in the offseason? Cause it sure seems like it to me.

Also, lol @ making it about Ohio and not Cleveland. Plz link me to all the articles talking about it only being 26 years. Oh you can't.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: vas_a_morir on July 05, 2016, 12:09:47 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 05, 2016, 11:50:56 AM
Quote from: vas_a_morir on July 05, 2016, 11:31:53 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 05, 2016, 06:48:46 AM
Quote from: vas_a_morir on July 05, 2016, 01:08:52 AM
KD is the most beta superstar I've ever seen.  He's just gonna let Seth Curry wolololo his ass like that?

They look unstoppable, but regressions and health problems have been known to occur before. I'll say this: I don't expect another 70 win season. 

And who would have thought Lebron would be beloved and KD would become a heel?  Dude brought the first major pro sports title back to Ohio in 26 years. Can't hate that.

Seth Curry? First title in 26 years? Dude you got absolutely nothing right in this paragraph, wow.

Steph, bro.  And it had been 26 years since 1990, which was the last time any pro sports team in Ohio had won anything.

I live in Northeast Ohio. You can't even fake a fanship here. We ain't got no room on the train pal, sorry.

We earned this and unlike Miami we don't cater to Johnny come lately types who can't even get basic details correct.


Dude trying to hype a crunch title like it mean a shit :gladbron

Northeast Ohio thinks they have it bad, but there is no sports community that has it worse than Southern Ohio over the last 25 years.  I'd be happy just seeing a local team advance in the playoffs one damn round.  That being said, this was the most excited I've ever been for a championship because I'm happy for Lebron shutting up the fanboys of that sociopath Michael Jordan. Can't compare players from different eras.  Go watch 90's teams and it's like watching slow motion in comparison.
Quote from: Human Snorenado on July 05, 2016, 12:01:07 PM

Also, lol @ making it about Ohio and not Cleveland. Plz link me to all the articles talking about it only being 26 years. Oh you can't.

Why would you expect to see that? Cleveland teams' success doesn't represent Cincinnati and doesn't alleviate our pain as the worst sports city in modern America generally speaking.  I loved seeing them win, though. Felt like justice.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 05, 2016, 01:05:21 PM
Forget it Snorenado, bandwagon gonna band them wagons.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2016, 01:13:04 PM
Ohio State has won plenty of recent titles too.

:trollbron:
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: vas_a_morir on July 05, 2016, 01:22:01 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2016, 01:13:04 PM
Ohio State has won plenty of recent titles too.

:trollbron:

I went to Marshall, so I don't even get to enjoy THAT.

Bengals Super Bowl would make it alllll worth it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 05, 2016, 01:28:25 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2016, 01:13:04 PM
Ohio State has won plenty of recent titles too.

:trollbron:

Why you gotta be so hurtful, nicca?

:tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2016, 01:51:41 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 05, 2016, 01:28:25 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2016, 01:13:04 PM
Ohio State has won plenty of recent titles too.

:trollbron:

Why you gotta be so hurtful, nicca?

:tocry

Almost time to bump the college football thread nicca. TBH...Michigan might be better than OSU this year. OSU has the superior QB obviously but I'm not sure what else they have on offense. Michigan has two of the best WRs in the country and surely their new QB can't be worse than Ruddock. And that defense is gonna be good.

Win the Big Ten and you get into the playoffs breh. I don't think Michigan is in position to win a championship in the short term due to the $EC but contending=better recruits. Which will pay off long term.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Mandark on July 05, 2016, 01:57:17 PM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on July 05, 2016, 12:01:07 PM
Observation: with cap space in the NBA just constantly rising, it doesn't seem like it makes sense for superstars to sign anything other than a one year deal with an option for a 2nd, never exercise the option, then just keep signing one year deals, which makes the market more volatile and stars more likely to move around.

Or is that just my imagination and there's always been this much movement in the offseason? Cause it sure seems like it to me.

There are meant to be two huge jumps as the new TV deal kicks in (this season and next) after which it will mostly plateau for a while.  By next year it will make total sense to max out on a five year deal.  Except for LeBron, who will perpetually sign one-and-ones simply to fuck with Dan Gilbert.

There was a lot of talk last offseason about guys signing short contracts to take advantage of this boom, but hardly any of them did.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 05, 2016, 02:47:56 PM
Rumors are increasing about Wade to Cleveland
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 05, 2016, 02:57:41 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 05, 2016, 02:47:56 PM
Rumors are increasing about Wade to Cleveland

That's not the answer, not even close.


Wake me up when we get a quality 2 or 3 that isn't hobbling along on plastic knees.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 05, 2016, 03:30:25 PM
We do have a quality 2 already :pacspit

JR has played great for the Cavs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 05, 2016, 03:35:08 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 05, 2016, 02:47:56 PM
Rumors are increasing about Wade to Cleveland

I doubt he would take that kind of paycut.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 05, 2016, 03:49:07 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 05, 2016, 03:30:25 PM
We do have a quality 2 already :pacspit

JR has played great for the Cavs

Love JR. Would love JR more if he ran the second unit as the primary scorer. Which he has been know to do.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: vas_a_morir on July 05, 2016, 04:59:05 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 05, 2016, 03:35:08 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 05, 2016, 02:47:56 PM
Rumors are increasing about Wade to Cleveland

I doubt he would take that kind of paycut.

Miami is offering 2yr/$40m, too. Apparently Wade was expecting something closer to $50.

They were literally laughing at the absurdity of this scenario on Le Batard's radio show the other day.  Here's hoping for another meltdown.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: dkdk on July 05, 2016, 05:58:35 PM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on July 05, 2016, 12:01:07 PM
Observation: with cap space in the NBA just constantly rising, it doesn't seem like it makes sense for superstars to sign anything other than a one year deal with an option for a 2nd, never exercise the option, then just keep signing one year deals, which makes the market more volatile and stars more likely to move around.

Or is that just my imagination and there's always been this much movement in the offseason? Cause it sure seems like it to me.

Also, lol @ making it about Ohio and not Cleveland. Plz link me to all the articles talking about it only being 26 years. Oh you can't.

nah at some point theyre gonna want that guaranteed security of a 5 year/150+ mil deal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Your Stalker on July 05, 2016, 06:39:47 PM
David West is going to the dubs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 05, 2016, 06:41:26 PM
Quote from: Your Stalker on July 05, 2016, 06:39:47 PM
David West is going to the dubs.

lol. He is title chasing his ass off.

Quote
Fred Katz @FredKatz
Even Frodo thinks David West wants a ring too much.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: agrajag on July 05, 2016, 10:30:26 PM
 :sheik D Wade
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: naff on July 05, 2016, 10:58:32 PM
His knees are fucked right? How long can you go on without a miniscus when you been playing as hard as him. It's getting into Steve Nash Lakers territory, he's doing the Heat a favor if he takes more money than they can offer him somewhere else and runs (hobbles).

Assuming that's what ur mad about.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 05, 2016, 11:22:31 PM
Quote from: naff on July 05, 2016, 10:58:32 PM
His knees are fucked right? How long can you go on without a miniscus when you been playing as hard as him. It's getting into Steve Nash Lakers territory, he's doing the Heat a favor if he takes more money than they can offer him somewhere else and runs (hobbles).

Assuming that's what ur mad about.

He looked pretty damn good in the playoffs last year dude. Did you happen to watch them at all?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: naff on July 05, 2016, 11:44:01 PM
No, not really. I'm sure he plays well, just saying from all reports and the amount of rest he was getting during the season, and his own testimony, his knee with no meniscus is p screwed. I've only got 25% of my meniscus left in one knee, it's been worked on by specialists, i've done proprioceptive training over 9 months etc, and I can feel that bone grinding on bone sometimes. I can only imagine how that feels after ~11 years playing basketball at an elite level. + unless there's a championship possibility why choose loyalty over $? Especially when you know your body's starting to give out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2016, 11:49:56 PM
(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/13626418_506415122901798_8136197404047827216_n.jpg?oh=b89986ed0f28fd2a8b1bb92e4a50de20&oe=57FA675F)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: El Babua on July 06, 2016, 12:00:11 AM
Just pay the breh. :yeshrug

If he leaves, won't be mad though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 06, 2016, 12:52:45 AM
I would love for Wade to go to the Cavs simply for the drama but there is no way in hell any sane person on this planet turns down the 20 million a year he can get from the Heat. I don't care what kind of back door deals Lebron or the Cavs try to scheme for Wade. Nobody turns down that kind of money. I guarantee it.

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: naff on July 06, 2016, 12:59:30 AM
Huh, I didn't think that was a real thing. I was talking about him being able to get 25 million a year somewhere else, would be pretty raw if he went to Cavs for a mid-level exception :heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 06, 2016, 01:03:19 AM
I don't think it is a real thing. I think its either something that is being drummed up by the internet/media or if it is happening Wade is just using this to get the Heat mad and up their offer. I haven't listened to lebatard on it though. He tends to have people speak to him from inside the heat organization.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2016, 09:06:50 AM
Quote
Ray Allen, one of the greatest shooters in NBA history, is considering making a comeback, according to league sources.

Allen's representatives reached out to the Golden State Warriors recently about the possibility of Allen joining the Western Conference champions.

The Warriors are unsure whether they want to pursue the future Hall of Famer, sources said.

Allen, who will turn 41 on July 20, is also not absolutely sure he wants to return after sitting out the past two seasons. But he is intrigued by the possibility of playing for another championship, and in addition to the Warriors, he would consider joining the Cleveland Cavaliers, San Antonio Spurs and Los Angeles Clippers, sources said.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 06, 2016, 09:56:55 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 06, 2016, 09:06:50 AM
Quote
Ray Allen, one of the greatest shooters in NBA history, is considering making a comeback, according to league sources.

Allen's representatives reached out to the Golden State Warriors recently about the possibility of Allen joining the Western Conference champions.

The Warriors are unsure whether they want to pursue the future Hall of Famer, sources said.

Allen, who will turn 41 on July 20, is also not absolutely sure he wants to return after sitting out the past two seasons. But he is intrigued by the possibility of playing for another championship, and in addition to the Warriors, he would consider joining the Cleveland Cavaliers, San Antonio Spurs and Los Angeles Clippers, sources said.

Man how could you even consider that a legit ring? You better than this, Jesus Shuttlesworth.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 06, 2016, 02:33:43 PM
For whatever reason it popped into my head who's going to sign Carlos Boozer?

Then I looked him up and completely forgot he didn't even play last season.


Also this

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/dan-le-batard/article87862542.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 06, 2016, 10:24:15 PM
Wade to Chicago.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: El Babua on July 06, 2016, 10:26:23 PM
Offer your franchise player that bought you 3 rings, the glue to your offense and the 4th best SG in PER last year $10 mil a year brehs. :picard




:tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2016, 10:30:22 PM
Quote
Adrian Wojnarowski: Chicago has traded guard Jose Calderon to the Los Angeles Lakers, league sources tell @The Vertical.
Quote
Bobby Marks: Cleveland will use part of the Anderson Varejao $9.6m trade exception to take in Mike Dunleavy’s $4.8m contract.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 06, 2016, 10:33:33 PM
Nice. Dunleavy is a nice fit. Hopefully his back issues are a little better.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Your Stalker on July 06, 2016, 10:50:46 PM
This is the most fuckery filled off-season we've had in a minute. :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to the Warriors)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 06, 2016, 11:41:30 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 06, 2016, 10:30:22 PM
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Adrian Wojnarowski: Chicago has traded guard Jose Calderon to the Los Angeles Lakers, league sources tell @The Vertical.
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Bobby Marks: Cleveland will use part of the Anderson Varejao $9.6m trade exception to take in Mike Dunleavy’s $4.8m contract.

Not mad at this at all. Can play the 2 or the 3 off the bench. Hits threes. Yup I'm okay with it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Wade to the Bulls)
Post by: benjipwns on July 07, 2016, 12:19:18 AM
Those Andre and Calderon pick and rolls were ungodly for the three weeks it happened. :aah

Especially since Calderon was hitting 52% of threes.

Teams were just like  :mindblown

I'm sure it'll be similar with Mozgov

 :hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Wade to the Bulls)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 07, 2016, 12:20:14 AM
Pat Riley has had a few rough years down there in Miami.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Wade to the Bulls)
Post by: bluemax on July 07, 2016, 01:09:30 AM
Too bad GM Doc panicked and re-signed his shitty kid and Jamal Crawford instead of waiting for Durant.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Wade to the Bulls)
Post by: benjipwns on July 07, 2016, 01:27:46 AM
MyPlayer in 2K16 is on the Clippers, I hate Austin Rivers so much more than I did before.

He doesn't even run the plays, just looks for his own shot. UNPARALLELED ACCURACY.

The Clips have this one set where it essentially runs two picks, while the SF faux-isos. Griffin/Paul run a small one, and Jordan/Redick run a longer run...with variations on this, but the basic concept, and then you're supposed to dump it off to Griffin or Paul who makes the second pass from the elbow or drives it themselves.

The game will call this set, but Rivers always, always, always seems to break the play to go one on five or something. Everyone else on the team will operate it, including spacing properly if both Griffin and Jordan are on the floor of if just one is.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Wade to the Bulls)
Post by: benjipwns on July 07, 2016, 01:33:16 AM
 :expert :nerds
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Wade to the Bulls)
Post by: benjipwns on July 07, 2016, 02:12:06 AM
Nah, that stuff never really worked well or as it should have until this year made a big leap, they re-scaled all the ratings to be historically based rather than current (i.e. Rodman is the 99 rated rebounder not Drummond who's more like 94 or something...Stockton and Magic are the 99 passers, etc...that kind of thing) so it shoved the outliers more to outlier status in everything. So like the Iverson on the 2001 Sixers is literally jacking up what feels like almost everything because his teammates aren't even close in their tendencies, whereas in the prior games he was just more likely to take shots but it wouldn't stop Eric Snow or Mutombo from taking a bunch of jumpers as much as it does this year.

The little tweaks to further expand the individuality of players, especially their own personal animations has helped in that regard too. My favorite is Prime Shaq's little speed up as he hits the paint to get into position defensively before the play gets going after loafing down most of the court.

Playing with the classic teams I find to be pretty fun for these nuances. 1998 Kobe tries to dunk it or shoot contested fadeaways and that's about it. Then Sharing with Shaq Kobe is more balanced but clearly ball dominant on the perimeter. While old timer Kobe is all about posting and subtle little moves. One flaw is that it needs the Kobe-Gasol-Odom-Bynum-Ariza/Artest Lakers. Just skips right over them, and all the Spurs after 1997-98. Even though for a lot of those teams the players ARE in the game still so I assume they're easier to license.

LeBron's got a few versions of him in the game so you have young isolation everything, 100mph constantly LeBron, then Peak-Miami LeBron who kinda just picks you apart more. Then of course there's all the Jordan versions. And 1971 Kareem who can just abuse all the old teams uncontested except against Wilt. Him not being in the game before was turrible for those Bucks and the 80's Lakers.

Still needs to get knocked for the 2004 Pistons not having Mike James, Mehmet Okur, Corliss Williamson or most importantly, SHEED. (Darko starts at PF lol) Also, the weird thing where the classic teams don't have coaches who are already in the game like George Karl coaching them. It'll be some random black guy instead.

Two of the dumber teams are 1971 Hawks who only have six licensed players and 1984-85 Sixers who only have 7 and are missing Barkley. Course if they had Barkley they could do the 1993 Suns too. Derek Fisher isn't on any of the Lakers teams either.

There's a whole bundle of classic players who are licensed for the MyTeam mode where you collect cards and stuff, but they aren't used ever in constructing other classic teams.

There's been some goofy licensesing stuff before too. Like 2K12 had the 2001-02 Kings, and then so did 2K13 but without Webber which kinda makes them dumb. And Kareem was in 2K12 before disappearing until this year again. And Fisher had to be some kind of oversight since they had him before since he was still playing.

but i derpgress :derp
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Wade to the Bulls)
Post by: benjipwns on July 07, 2016, 04:51:02 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cmu_97WWIAQfkwy.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Wade to the Bulls)
Post by: benjipwns on July 07, 2016, 01:25:46 PM
plan the parade
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The Detroit Pistons are signing San Antonio Spurs restricted free-agent center Boban Marjanovic to a three-year deal worth $21 million, league sources told ESPN's Marc Stein.
:rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Wade to the Bulls)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 07, 2016, 01:39:21 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 07, 2016, 04:51:02 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cmu_97WWIAQfkwy.jpg)

That's racist.   :hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Wade to the Bulls)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 07, 2016, 02:04:58 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 07, 2016, 01:25:46 PM
plan the parade
Quote
The Detroit Pistons are signing San Antonio Spurs restricted free-agent center Boban Marjanovic to a three-year deal worth $21 million, league sources told ESPN's Marc Stein.
:rejoice
:leon
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Wade to the Bulls)
Post by: bluemax on July 08, 2016, 01:34:22 AM
Quote from: The Walrus on July 07, 2016, 07:15:59 PM
Back in my day, there was a contract tier for people on Harrison Barnes' level, and it was called the mid-level exception.

If I were Dallas, I certainly wouldn't be bragging about handing out that contract.

Remember some years ago when Tony Parker was at his peak and was going into free-agency, and word got out that he'd be looking for a max deal, and people laughed? Remember when people argued James Harden wasn't a max player?

The definition of max player has changed so many times in the past 10 years that its pointless to compare max deals that happened more than 2 years apart.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Wade to the Bulls)
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2016, 01:21:00 PM
https://twitter.com/Enes_Kanter/status/751259162667999232
Quote
Enes KanterVerified account
‏@Enes_Kanter
Don't waste and burn anymore jerseys #ThunderNation
Here is a good idea 😬 Lol
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cm0COCkUcAA3rai.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Wade to the Bulls)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 08, 2016, 02:50:01 PM
If Curry disappears like he usually does in the finals, he might not even get a ring.  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Wade to the Bulls)
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2016, 03:45:57 PM
Quote from: https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/751476297004617728
Hearing rumblings a Tim Duncan decision on whether to retire or not could be announced as early as this afternoon. #Spurs
not yet timmy :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Wade to the Bulls)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 08, 2016, 04:06:30 PM
Durant is an all-time scorer.  Doesn't mean he's an all-time great.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Wade to the Bulls)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on July 08, 2016, 05:44:14 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 08, 2016, 04:06:30 PM
Durant is an all-time scorer.  Doesn't mean he's an all-time great.
lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Wade to the Bulls)
Post by: dkdk on July 08, 2016, 10:12:20 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on July 08, 2016, 05:50:49 PM
It's like you know how Karl Malone is ranked in the top 20, but he'd be close to the top 10 if the Jazz had won a couple titles? Say Durant is in that situation, but his only title is with the superteam, and Curry got FMVP. Does the title elevate him at all?

Yes. Rings are all he needs to "complete" his career. As long as he doesnt put in a Klay 2015 "I helped lol" level finals performance it won't be held against him.

All ringchasing isnt built the same.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Wade to the Bulls)
Post by: dkdk on July 08, 2016, 10:39:02 PM
i was always told that summer league doesnt tell you who can play. but it does tell you who cant play.

well i have to say i am really impressed by kris dunn. poor rubio.

i'm hoping d'tective is inspired by this and he puts on a show. he really played himself last year coming into summer league out of shape and unprepared.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Wade to the Bulls)
Post by: bluemax on July 08, 2016, 11:31:20 PM
Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on July 08, 2016, 04:10:56 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 08, 2016, 04:06:30 PM
Durant is an all-time scorer.  Doesn't mean he's an all-time great.

Gary Payton is an all time great despite having issues with his game, ring chasing and all. I love Payton, but would never consider him in GOAT discussion, Durant is that tier what I mean. He is an excellent player and among the best around now, should be considered as one of the all time greats, but not GOAT.

I mean joining a team that went 73-9 and already has a championship under their belt. So it will definitely take him down a few pegs.

In fairness Payton got the Sonics to the playoffs 8 straight years during the prime of his career. They won 60+ games 3 times during that period as well. Sadly only one finals appearance where of course they lost to Jordan in 6.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2016, 02:09:49 AM
One method of tiers I like is "can you picture winning the title with this guy as your {x}"?

Tier One is "best player" and that easily includes Jordan, LeBron, Duncan, Shaq, Bird, etc. if only because they all did it, multiple times. But theoretically this list can be large and/or season dependent, ala Anthony Davis a year ago vs. this season. It's also where you see a guy like LeBron a year ago, with his team in shambles against an unstoppable juggernaut and somehow still making them work to knock him out. Not to mention getting to the Finals in the first place.

Tier Two is "second best or equal player" and that has a bit more nuance to it. Like Karl Malone, for example, I can picture him as being in Tier One. But I can also see the case that he's not enough to get you multiple titles (went to two Finals, couple Western Finals, might have grabbed one against someone other than Jordan, Hakeem, etc.) but if you had two Karl Malone's that changes things. Obviously having two Malone's is hard to work literally, but if you take it as two players of that level type of thing. (And the Jazz in many ways did with him and Stockton, but if neither are in that first tier and they run into a team who has that player...and one of their guys underplays...)

The 2000-2002 Lakers obviously had both a Tier One and Tier Two guy, so even as the rest of the team atrophied they could still smack around teams who couldn't throw anything higher than a Tier Two (Webber or Kidd for example) at them.

Tier Three would lead to something like the 2004 Pistons or Bad Boy Pistons or 2008 Celtics, where they had really good players, but nobody who was parsecs above anyone else and could lead a team on their own, but combined their top three, four, even five guys were all top tier enough (and the teams deep enough) to where they could survive with just one of the guys stepping up a Tier or two every game. So they had so many guys who could be the  "third or fourth best player" on a title team that they wound up being able to crush teams with higher Tier guys but fewer total Top Three Tier guys. The Heat, Cavs, Warriors, etc. are doing forms of this but with higher Tier guys at the peak. The Spurs have sorta done this over the last decade compared to their earlier MVP Duncan era. Often times these teams can have guys who move up into this Tier or higher for just a couple seasons and then some other player replaces them. The 2008-12 Celtics were kinda like this with Rondo eventually moving up and KG and Allen slipping.

I think Durant still has all the potential of a Tier One guy. But he might be lower on that totem pole. One of the Tier Ones who needs a legit Tier Two or two backing him up. He had that probably with Westbrook, but never had the third guy to lock it in (Harden was too early, Ibaka flat-lined, etc.). And they ran into lots of good teams as well.

I look at a team like the Clippers and I think, they've got a probably Tier One guy in Chris Paul, Blake Griffin is Tier Two at best, and DeAndre Jordan is Tier Three. And every year they run decent on the rest of the roster for the most part. But they always run into some problem and get derailed. But they've been in the mix ever since they got Paul.

But back to Durant, he can transition like LeBron did when he went to Miami, be more of a playmaker/in the flow/more efficient-less prolific type of things. And then when he needs to go into beast mode because others are floundering, he does so. LeBron's heralded playoff moments came from him playing alongside other All-Stars/All-NBAers/superstars and still dominating the game at an epic level. Nobody points to his Cavaliers eruptions when he was doing it alone and putting up ungodly numbers as being superior and it doesn't have to be different for Durant. I think the way he's taken over when injuries battered OKC and such makes it a good probability that he won't just start camping in the corner and letting Curry/Green run the offense. And the Warriors style doesn't seem like one that will fall into that "your turn, my turn, your turn, my turn, Chris's turn lol no your turn, my turn" that Miami first started off trying to operate with when LeBron got there.

One advantage is that we now live in the "positionless era" and Miami had to learn that instead of sticking to Joel Anthony and Mike Bibby because that's how you make lineups like they did that first year. Everybody does it now, Golden State doesn't need to bring back Don Nelson to play a Durant/Green/Iguodala front-line at times. Durant is much more of a rebounder and creator for his teammates than Barnes ever was. Barnes rebounded more like Stephen Curry than say Orlando-era Rashard Lewis despite both nominally playing the four. Bogut had the same number of assists in the playoffs as Barnes despite playing half the minutes. Ian Clark had half as many in one-fifth the minutes.

Obviously any titles Durant picks up in GSW will look tainted going forward, much like Payton or Zo's. But at the same time, LeBron's aren't as much as they were assumed to be heading in because of the stamp he's put on the last six Finals and how things have played out. Even though he played with max contract guys like Wade, Bosh, Irving, Love and Mozgov.

In other words, who knows? Certainly not any of this gibberish above.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on July 09, 2016, 02:37:13 AM
You just put Anthony Davis two tiers above Kevin Garnett like an insane person.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2016, 03:07:09 AM
My rambling was probably quite unclear, I meant that Anthony Davis was looking like he'd become that level of player, but he took a bit of a step back enough to make one wonder and we'll have to see which was the outlier. I was using him as an example where for a season a player can perform at that level, then suddenly not. And the Kevin Garnett I was talking about was not Prime-KG for the most part but the post-injury KG who was no longer the dominant forward of the league and was turning into a jump shooter. Even in 2008 he had already taken steps down from his peak and reduced his role offensively to fit with at least Pierce.

I obviously think Prime-KG resides in the first tier, even if lower in it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on July 09, 2016, 03:09:16 AM
Putting 2008 KG into tier three is an act of lunacy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2016, 03:19:18 AM
Sure, I agree he's probably Tier Two at worst, I'd have to actually look at the other players performances that season, I was thinking more of the Celtics of that entire era than simply the first season. But fine, the entire thing was just hypothetical rambling about a potential system to use (versus some others like Simmons' pyramid or "Mr. Stats" distance-from-next-player) with tacked on examples off the top of my head, putting Celtics-era KG in Tier Three probably isn't the most arguably insane thing in that post or even that paragraph.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on July 09, 2016, 04:41:13 PM
Is the tier taxonomy a finite, cumulative list of everyone ever or a season to season snapshot? If the latter, Durant is obviously tier 1 and has been since he was 20. If the former, he has 4 scoring titles, an mvp and an 0-1 record in the finals. That's at least as good as Iverson and he's 27.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2016, 07:28:41 PM
I'd say both with a caveat, it's more of a cumulative of everyone in a specific "snapshot" of five-ish to ten-ish years. If Blake Griffin averages 30/12/6 on 75% scoring this season and the Clips make the Finals, I think it would be fair to say his season was as Tier One level season (assuming the season as a whole is like most every seasons we've ever seen) but that you wouldn't put him as a player into that Tier until he repeats it.

To go back to Anthony Davis:
2012-13: 17/10 - 22 PER (14th) - 6.1 WS (56th) - BPM: +2.3 (53rd)
2013-14: 21/10 - 27 PER (4th) - 10.4 WS (14th) - BPM: +4.5 (13th)
2014-15: 24/10 - 31 PER (1st) - 14.0 WS (4th) - BPM: +7.1 (6th)

It was quite natural to assume he was moving into a Tier One season-by-season guy simply from known historical skill curves (not to mention his adding a three point shot) which could lead to a cumulative Tier One for the era. But then:

2015-16: 25/10 - 25 PER (9th) - 7.2 WS (32nd) - BPM: +2.2 (48th)

And now we have to really wait and see if 2014-15 was a high end outlier (like McGrady's 2002-03) or reasonable expectations.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 09, 2016, 08:16:09 PM
AD needs to say healthy and have a modicum of success before we start calling him Tier 1. Not that he won't get there but damn man, slow that shit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on July 10, 2016, 12:49:55 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 09, 2016, 02:09:49 AM

I look at a team like the Clippers and I think, they've got a probably Tier One guy in Chris Paul, Blake Griffin is Tier Two at best, and DeAndre Jordan is Tier Three. And every year they run decent on the rest of the roster for the most part. But they always run into some problem and get derailed. But they've been in the mix ever since they got Paul.


I just want to say, it's easy to forget because last year was a mess for him, but Blake Griffin was pretty much the best player in the Western Conference playoffs in 2015. I think he was ready to firmly leap into tier one status until the injuries and stupidity derailed him this past season.

As much as I like Durant, I think if he was truly a tier one guy he never would've let YNB take over the team like he did. He's definitely an elite one way player, but it always felt like Westbrook was the guy who took control of games for better or worse.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on July 10, 2016, 06:54:43 PM
Heat are in full #tankwave mode.

Fuck it, might score some cheap tickets this season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 11, 2016, 10:14:51 AM
http://www.nba.com/spurs/tim-duncan-announces-retirement
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Tim Duncan retires)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 11, 2016, 11:33:20 AM
I think the things that stick out to me about Tim Duncan are that its a bit easy to forgot how really dominant he was in the first half of his career. He was almost like a PF/Center point guard for those early spurs. Everything completely revolved around him. He would get the ball at the elbow and the offense would completely run through him. He was a really good passer.

And then the other thing is how well he adjusted to the change in style as the spurs went from a real plodding offensively limited squad to the motion offense juggernaut they became. That team that beat the Heat in the rematch finals was just amazing and I have a feeling they will be one of the under-rated historical teams.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3y7cWmoBCI
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Tim Duncan retires)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 11, 2016, 12:04:29 PM
goodnight sweet prince
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Tim Duncan retires)
Post by: El Babua on July 11, 2016, 01:19:01 PM
GOAT PF

Also Dray got arrested for assault.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Tim Duncan retires)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 11, 2016, 01:29:03 PM
Quote from: El Babua on July 11, 2016, 01:19:01 PM
GOAT PF

Also Dray got arrested for assault.

I'm starting to dislike his cat more and more (Green)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Tim Duncan retires)
Post by: Steve Contra on July 11, 2016, 01:59:59 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/xTnA6sR.png)

The best.  Couldn't even hate the guy when he fucking up my Jazz every. single. game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Tim Duncan retires)
Post by: Steve Contra on July 11, 2016, 02:04:20 PM
Also the Onion  :lol

http://www.theonion.com/search?q=Tim+Duncan (http://www.theonion.com/search?q=Tim+Duncan)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Tim Duncan retires)
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 11, 2016, 02:19:20 PM
Duncan retiring, Dirk in his last two seasons. Those post-season series just aren't gonna be the same. :tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2016, 01:20:32 AM
PPP's latest poll (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/MiscellaneousResults.pdf) ignored all this silly election crap to ask the most important question:
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Q10 Who do you think is a better basketball player:
Stephen Curry or LeBron James?
Stephen Curry 20%
LeBron James 45%
Not sure 35%

Also:
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Q12 Which do you prefer: French fries or tater tots?
French fries 65%
Tater tots 22%
Not sure 13%

Anyway, in the crosstabs. Curry v LeBron.

Men: 18% v 50%
Women: 21% v 41%

Democrats: 24% v 46%
Republicans: 20% v 44%
Independents: 13% v 45%

Whites: 15% v 48%
Blacks: 18% v 48%
Hispanics: 53% v 23%

65 or older: 14% v 44%
46-65: 16% v 42%
30-45: 19% v 53%
18-29: 39% v 40%

Voted Obama: 24% v 47%
Voted Romney: 16% v 42%
Voted Other/Forget: 9% v 47%

Very Conservative: 19% v 37%
Somewhat Conservative: 11% v 46%
Moderate: 17% v 54%
Somewhat Liberal: 20% v 40%
Very Liberal: 35% v 40%
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 14, 2016, 12:31:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uP5kDbctcE
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 14, 2016, 12:37:25 PM
When I was a kid I'd watch Spurs games and then go outside to work on my post moves and bank shot. Shaq is my favorite athlete of all time, going back to when I was five years old, but Tim Duncan is who I tried to emulate on the court. Also Hakeem of course.

One of my first coaches would tell me "it's going to snow tonight. Work on your post moves as you shovel snow tonight." That's how I first started working on post play. Shoveling a pile, spinning and throwing it to the left/right. That+watching Duncan and Hakeem are some of my favorite memories from my playing days. Just preparing, and then when you get into the game executing what you worked on.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2016, 01:51:30 PM
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The Philadelphia 76ers announced that No. 1 draft pick Ben Simmons was sitting out Wednesday's summer league game to rest, and that got Isiah Thomas' attention.

First, Thomas retweeted it. Then he went off on Simmons on NBA TV, ripping him for standing around taking selfies with fans and insisting "He should be playing tonight."

"You're 19. Earn your money, get on the floor and play," Thomas said.
:doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 14, 2016, 02:55:28 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 14, 2016, 12:31:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uP5kDbctcE

I would run through a wall for this man, no question.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 14, 2016, 02:57:46 PM
Quote from: The Walrus on July 14, 2016, 01:31:41 PM
Spurs drafting in the Duncan era was ridiculous.

Manu Ginobili - 57th overall pick
Tony Parker - 28th overall, guy taken before him was Jamaal Tinsley
Kawhi - 15th overall, guy taken before him was Marcus Morris

Really helped boost Duncan in the second half of his career. They could have easily faded into a post-1999 Utah Jazz type team without those guys.

Or maybe Duncan and Pops made them all better players? Ya think, jackass?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 21, 2016, 05:49:48 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/17120170/nba-moving-all-star-game-charlotte-north-carolina-bill

 :obama
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 22, 2016, 01:16:38 AM
Kevin Durant's new tattoo:
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/13767594_1663320273992329_1494242967_n.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on July 22, 2016, 05:21:58 AM
 :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 22, 2016, 02:51:06 PM
It looks like shit and it's tacky as fuck but then aren't all NBA tattoos the same.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 22, 2016, 03:00:20 PM
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Q: Knicks fans always have high expectations, sometimes maybe not even grounded in reality over the years. Before last season, Melo came out on media day and talked about managing expectations with such a young team. But with this roster now and all these veterans, what should the expectations be for the Knicks?

ROSE: They're high. I mean, with these teams right now, they're saying us and Golden State are the super teams, and they're trying not to build that many super teams, and Adam Silver came out with the statement and this and that. And the expectations I think of us, we just want to win.

 :heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 26, 2016, 06:02:26 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/17148895/amare-stoudemire-retires-member-new-york-knicks-14-seasons-nba

Really a knick?

When his best years were in Phoenix.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2016, 06:34:13 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 26, 2016, 06:02:26 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/17148895/amare-stoudemire-retires-member-new-york-knicks-14-seasons-nba

Really a knick?

When his best years were in Phoenix.

He's become somewhat of a community figure in New York so I'm guessing that's why he made the decision. Him and Carmelo do a lot of great things for NY schools and inner city areas, plus they invest in black businesses.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 26, 2016, 06:39:43 PM
Only the finest wine baths my nicca

:lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 26, 2016, 07:25:28 PM
I forgot that Amare was 20 when he came out of high school.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: naff on July 26, 2016, 11:17:34 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 22, 2016, 02:51:06 PM
It looks like shit and it's tacky as fuck but then aren't all NBA tattoos the same.

Idk man, Roses's "Poohdini" is pretty damn strange. Worst/Best NBA tattoo ever

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lioagmRenn1qcyofpo1_500.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 30, 2016, 03:44:17 AM
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One topic was the root cause of the Knicks' struggles at the time. Jackson put some of the onus on his players' shortcomings.

"Today's players simply lack the skills to play the triangle," Jackson told Rosen in an interview published Friday by Today's Fastbreak. "They know how to play one-on-one, catch-and-shoot, and they've mastered crossover dribbles, spins, playing off of screens and step-back shots. They don't know how to execute things like inside-reverse pivots and other basic footwork. They have no sense of timing or organization. They don't really know how to play five-on-five basketball. It's strictly generational."
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on July 30, 2016, 03:56:08 AM
 :nsfw

http://askkissy.com/2016/07/twerking-something-pays-off-dancer-makes-30k-one-night-t-s-new-skrip-club/2/

And yes this is NBA news
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 30, 2016, 10:59:15 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJwug7kLVKI

 :pimp
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 31, 2016, 11:04:27 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BIfcB_MhAaM/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 31, 2016, 11:15:38 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 30, 2016, 03:44:17 AM
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One topic was the root cause of the Knicks' struggles at the time. Jackson put some of the onus on his players' shortcomings.

"Today's players simply lack the skills to play the triangle," Jackson told Rosen in an interview published Friday by Today's Fastbreak. "They know how to play one-on-one, catch-and-shoot, and they've mastered crossover dribbles, spins, playing off of screens and step-back shots. They don't know how to execute things like inside-reverse pivots and other basic footwork. They have no sense of timing or organization. They don't really know how to play five-on-five basketball. It's strictly generational."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbU4Cb4A4-o
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 01, 2016, 01:18:07 AM
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Days after hanging up his rec-specs following a 15-year NBA career, Amar'e Stoudemire has scratched a basketball itch, reportedly agreeing to join Israeli side Hapoel Jerusalem.

Stoudemire, 33, is part of an ownership group that bought a 90 percent share of the team in 2013, and since then, the Ligat HaAl side has emerged as one of the league's better clubs.
:doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T234 on August 01, 2016, 03:51:15 PM
My schwanz is the same size as Draymond Green's. :lol :lol :lol :lol :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on August 01, 2016, 04:12:05 PM
L
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Syph on August 01, 2016, 07:54:48 PM
"Phoenix Dark likes this" as if that were ever in doubt
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 03, 2016, 04:23:28 AM
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According to celebrity chef and larger-than-life personality Guy Fieri, he himself may have had a hand in Durant signing with Golden State.
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Fieri says: Unfair! [Long pause.] I can say it without being guilty because he's now a Warrior: KD. It's not an easy decision, and should have just as well not said anything. Steph is phenomenal. KD is phenomenal. They both have their uniqueness about them. Maybe I'm in the KD moment now because he's coming to the team. I never...well, I shouldn't say I never thought it would happen. I remember telling his agent during the Playoffs, "I know he's coming up, you've gotta get him to Golden State."

First We Feast: Wait a second—you predicted it would happen?

Fieri says: You can ask his agent, I said it to him during the Playoffs. I even have the text. I said, "It's coming up, I want him, you gotta bring him." And he was laughing—yeah, yeah, yeah—and he blew me off. [Then later on] I was away from my cell phone, out on the boat, and I was able to get a signal. In came a note from my buddy: "KD GS," and I went arghhhhhh! I went and woke up the kids.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Syph on August 04, 2016, 12:30:07 AM
LOL Derek Fisher apparently mulling a return to the NBA as a player
My boy Matt Barnes is ready anytime  :pacspit
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on August 05, 2016, 01:11:59 PM
Quote from: Syph on August 04, 2016, 12:30:07 AM
LOL Derek Fisher apparently mulling a return to the NBA as a player
My boy Matt Barnes is ready anytime  :pacspit

You do know fisher had Barnes in a choke hold right? I love how that part gets left out lol.

Barnes is and always was a bitch.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on August 05, 2016, 02:10:11 PM
How does it feel to make less money than a bitch
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on August 05, 2016, 02:12:18 PM
Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on August 05, 2016, 02:10:11 PM
How does it feel to make less money than a bitch

Assumptions my man, assumptions.

Also all these flavors and your always choosing salty. Your life that bad? Sorry bro :tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on August 05, 2016, 03:10:18 PM
All that money and you can't buy an original comeback
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on August 05, 2016, 03:40:30 PM
Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on August 05, 2016, 03:10:18 PM
All that money and you can't buy an original comeback

I don't spend money on hoes. It's a investment with diminishing returns.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2016, 11:41:30 AM
The Coli's most respected member, Walt, wrote an article for Sports Illustrated
:whew
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Will America ever tire of Charles Barkley’s clumsy act?

Two decades ago Charles Barkley infamously cautioned us he was not a role model. He has made as much clear again and again and again and again and again over the course of his careers as a professional basketball player and an NBA analyst. He’s a notorious (and arguably proud) drinker, an avid gambler, and an ill-tempered putdown artist. He has spit at a fan (and, inadvertently, on a child), thrown a man through a plate-glass window and — as he subsequently lie bleeding — suggested that the man deserved to die,threatened police with violence, and driven drunkenly in search of a repeat performance of the best fellatio he ever had from a prostitute.

Despite — or, more realistically, because of — his very public embrace of degeneracy, Sir Charles has now comfortably settled into a Knighthood as one of America’s favorite off-color truth-tellers, a sort of lovable, inebriated, ranting uncle unrestrained by the leash of basic civility and decency that makes the rest of us mind our manners.

Barkley walks in a long line of celebrities to whom society grants exemption from the fundamental moral codes we champion; we encourage his boorishness much in the same way we celebrate the womanizing of Derek Jeter and Hugh Hefner, the crassness and dope-smoking of Snoop, and the “mischievousness” of Bill Clinton. These are figures Joan Didion described as the dreams we don’t want to admit having, evidence of “the apparently bottomless gulf between what we say we want and what we do want, between what we officially admire and secretly desire, between, in the largest sense, the people we marry and the people we love. “

In that context — and only in that context — can we make sense of the announcement that TNT is granting Barkley a television show to discuss something as serious and significant as race. (Not “racism” of course, but “race” — and under a slanted title with an antagonistic implication nonetheless). At this moment in American society, when racial tension is at full boil; with blacks being shot dead on camera with jarring regularity; with politicians openly characterizing minorities as “sub-groups” that haven’t contributed to Western civilization, Charles Barkley has inexplicably been appointed to navigate these challenging waters.

Why? Because people will tune in. In our society, ratings and buzz and revenue have become the ultimate justifications, even in this absolutely crazy political climate.

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His opinions on players, strategies, and contenders betray a complete and utter lack of research, understanding, or even regard for the topics. He is unprepared and ineffective at discussing basketball in any way that enlightens viewers. He recycles the same empty talking points about jump-shooting teams and size ad nauseum. He rarely seems to have paid close attention to the games he subsequently analyzes, substituting “bold” opinions that run a very limited gamut — from ad hominem attacks to jokes about cities and people who are “ugly” or “fat.”

His insights on race are even less nuanced and less informed. They are, however, predictable.

He believed the George Zimmerman verdict was fair and correct; he argued — in the wake of a medial examiner’s ruling to the contrary — that Eric Garner’s homicide was not in fact a homicide; he agreed with the controversial decision not to indict Darren Wilson for the murder of Michael Brown; he believed the cops who pulled over Philando Castile for having a wide nose might have been justified in murdering the man “because in fairness, because some black people out there are crooks;” he shied away from declaring slavery horrific, because — despite an inestimable amount of historical validation — he didn’t personally experience it.

Barkley seemingly has never met a clichéd talking point rooted in the noxious rhetoric of black pathology he could resist.

The point — clear though it is — isn’t just that Barkley is unfit to lead, discuss, or mediate any discussion on racism in America. The point — clear though it is — isn’t just that Barkley is a stone-cold, garden-variety moron. The point is — and we’ve covered this terrain before — the media makes itself complicit in the most cynical form of race-baiting by continually granting a platform to loud, uninformed, intellectually unqualified black sports analysts who discuss race relations almost exclusively in the framework of black cultural pathology.
http://www.si.com/thecauldron/2016/08/08/charles-barkley-tnt-tv-show-race-card-tired-act
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/walt-s-i-article-eviscerating-charles-barkley-and-his-embrace-by-the-media.452623/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 11, 2016, 12:11:05 PM
Charles is basically your know it all uncle he wants to tell you how the world is when you know most of what he is saying is bullshit.

It's fine for Inside the NBA where that sort of mentality is rampant in sports but there is no way I would watch another show based on real life issues with that same sort of approach.


Bill Maher is basically the white version of that and I also consider him unwatchable.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 18, 2016, 03:21:44 AM
Quote
The Los Angeles Lakers are finalizing a deal to bring China star Yi Jianlian back to the NBA, according to league sources.

Sources told ESPN that the Lakers and Yi have agreed to terms and are in the latter stages of cementing a one-year deal in the $8 million range for the veteran forward to return to the NBA for the first time since the 2011-12 season.

The Lakers, sources said, tried in the summer of 2015 to sign Yi and this year renewed those efforts in the wake of the former lottery pick's strong play in Rio on his fourth trip to the Olympics as a cornerstone player for China.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on September 08, 2016, 04:34:32 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWwGbrxJMEc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB3QsfmPNk4

 :hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on September 08, 2016, 04:40:19 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9icFXOH8X2A

 :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on September 12, 2016, 05:18:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZIkonXt2VI
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 23, 2016, 08:08:16 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/17620904/kevin-garnett-minnesota-timberwolves-expected-announce-retirement-friday
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kevin Garnett retires)
Post by: El Babua on September 23, 2016, 08:18:39 PM
See ya KG. Great career.

Not a lot of 90s OGs left.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kevin Garnett retires)
Post by: El Babua on September 23, 2016, 11:06:21 PM
Looks like Bosh is done.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kevin Garnett retires)
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 23, 2016, 11:17:55 PM
Quote from: El Babua on September 23, 2016, 08:18:39 PM
See ya KG. Great career.

Not a lot of 90s OGs left.

 :dizzy :gloomy
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kevin Garnett retires)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 23, 2016, 11:56:13 PM
Quote from: El Babua on September 23, 2016, 11:06:21 PM
Looks like Bosh is done.

Yeah it does. Very unfortunate.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 26, 2016, 11:11:30 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/17642995/chris-bosh-career-miami-heat-likely-pat-riley-says
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on September 26, 2016, 03:29:22 PM
Shame how it's all going down.

Just hope Bosh doesn't risk it by trying for another team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 30, 2016, 08:40:39 PM
http://www.uninterrupted.com/watch/82oKRX5A/ep-4-crossroads?playlist=N4M8xKh5
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 01, 2016, 10:07:58 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/17680022/philadelphia-76ers-forward-ben-simmons-fractures-bone-foot
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Yulwei on October 01, 2016, 05:44:30 PM
Just read about Bosh. WTF. blood clots are no joke he needs to let it go
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 07, 2016, 05:50:17 PM
Zach Lowe's League Pass Rankings:
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/17681632/the-annual-nba-league-pass-rankings-part-1
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/17726743/the-annual-nba-league-pass-rankings-part-2

Always the best breakdown of new courts, coach antics and nutsy lineup potentials.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 07, 2016, 05:58:46 PM
Wish he would've jumped ship over to the Ringer :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 07, 2016, 06:08:19 PM
IIRC, ESPN offered him a pretty good contract to stay when they killed off Grantland. One of the few they really wanted to keep.

The rumor was that the Bleacher Report offered him a million a year and ESPN topped it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 07, 2016, 06:15:07 PM
Oh I think it made complete sense for him to stay with that contract – there's no way he would make that at The Ringer.

Just sucks because I hate giving ESPN clicks, and their formating online does NOT work nearly as well as the relative freedom Grantland had with media embeds and Lowe's mile-long articles.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 07, 2016, 06:29:16 PM
ESPN's new design has been so garbage.

The funny thing with ESPN's design changes if that if you go back even a year or two to older articles, many are completely broken. None of the stats in Kevin Pelton's preview for 2015 show up unless you go into print mode which removes all of ESPN's design formatting. Also whole paragraphs because they were in tables and images are missing. Same thing with Chad Ford's old mock drafts or whatever. I assume most articles are like this, those are just the examples I noticed looking for stuff in the past.

And you can't click to get an authors list of articles or even search to do it. And now they've messed with the previous day scores so you can't jump from one game to the next like you could.

And take all of that and make it even worse on mobile. I have no idea what platform they designed this for. Even their own videos don't embed on their own site properly. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 07, 2016, 06:37:43 PM
It's legitimately shocking how little effort gets put into ESPN's web and mobile solutions.  Disney needs to do something about that – generally Disney's web/mobile implementations are great.

Like, in this day and age, people's main access with ESPN is on their phone or tablet.  Scrote up and redesign things appropriately.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 07, 2016, 06:55:01 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/17672830/how-rapper-pitbull-created-career-sports-anthems

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 07, 2016, 09:41:04 PM
I remember when ESPN redesigned their website because it was trashy and cluttered and its arguably even more trashy and cluttered than it use to be.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 15, 2016, 01:15:11 PM
Quote
J.R. Smith and the Cavs have come to terms on a four-year $57 million deal, league sources say

Last piece.

Cavs teams salary at 137 mil this year.

edit: One site I looked at gave that total. Another says 125 mil this season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: dkdk on October 15, 2016, 03:56:04 PM
D'Tective having a solid preseason. Lakers got some movement in the offense now :lawd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqVJy-TWXvs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsHV_UzlThs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLJ4-RJu0wU
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on October 15, 2016, 05:09:06 PM
Heat haven't looked bad in the preseason. Priming myself for some Waiters fuckery in a month's time however.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 15, 2016, 05:37:49 PM
deangelo looks like he's improved his shot so much. wouldn't be surprised if he hits 39-40% on 3s this season
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 15, 2016, 08:23:43 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on October 15, 2016, 05:37:49 PM
deangelo looks like he's improved his shot so much. wouldn't be surprised if he hits 39-40% on 3s this season

:snoop
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 15, 2016, 08:58:23 PM
Wait...I read his basketball reference projections for 16-17 as his 15-16 stats.

:lupe

Lemme walk that one back.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on October 16, 2016, 02:19:50 AM
Well, he was .389 after the All-Star break, and was .411 from the shorter college line his one year.  It's not crazy.

I remember Bradley Beal having a similar rough start shooting the ball the first half of his rookie year (they were both 19 when they went pro) and at least that part of his game worked out in the end.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2016, 06:55:49 AM
Quote
The Milwaukee Bucks and Chicago Bulls are nearing agreement on a trade to swap guard Michael Carter-Williams for swingman Tony Snell, according to league sources.

Sources told ESPN.com that the Bucks, who have been openly looking for more shooting and defense on the perimeter in the wake of a long-term injury suffered by starter Khris Middleton just days before the start of training camp, have targeted Snell to give them some much-needed help on the wing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 16, 2016, 06:59:30 AM
Quote from: Mandark on October 16, 2016, 02:19:50 AM
Well, he was .389 after the All-Star break, and was .411 from the shorter college line his one year.  It's not crazy.

I remember Bradley Beal having a similar rough start shooting the ball the first half of his rookie year (they were both 19 when they went pro) and at least that part of his game worked out in the end.

:snoop
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 16, 2016, 03:09:43 PM
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Cavs' starting lineup (Irving-Smith-LeBron-Love-Thompson) will make about $100M..more than 18 teams' entire rosters, including Warriors

Not that there's anything wrong with that.


As far as the Lakers, I think they have reason to be hopeful for the first time in a long time. They have a lot of young talent. Everybody seems to be healthy at the moment. While I'm not a huge Luke Walton guy, anything is an upgrade over Byron Scott. They are basically finally starting the process that Kobe stopped from happening years ago.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 17, 2016, 03:55:04 AM
holy crap, the pick the Bucks sent the Sixers for MCW originally is a Lakers pick that's only top three and #1 protected the next two years

and the Kings turned down a MCW for Ben McLemore deal

i remember the Sixers getting shit on for dealing him after he won ROY
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 18, 2016, 10:21:37 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26lAhP_Emts

Manute Bol's kid.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on October 18, 2016, 12:47:52 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 17, 2016, 03:55:04 AM
holy crap, the pick the Bucks sent the Sixers for MCW originally is a Lakers pick that's only top three and #1 protected the next two years

The pick actually came from the Suns.  It was a three-way trade and the Bucks sent them Brandon Knight.

How did the Suns get that Lakers pick originally?  The Steve Nash sign-and-trade.   :sabu
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 19, 2016, 02:38:30 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 18, 2016, 10:21:37 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26lAhP_Emts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26lAhP_Emts)

Manute Bol's kid.
their offense basically becomes "outlet to Bol" over the course of those highlights
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 19, 2016, 12:31:43 PM
https://streamable.com/4ygi

I'm actually a nerd who loves watching full games from like the ancient past. It's fun to see how people played then relative to now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 19, 2016, 01:05:31 PM
http://www.rollingstone.com/sports/features/kevin-durant-had-to-blow-up-his-life-to-get-his-shot-w445344
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 19, 2016, 04:47:19 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/17834977/derrick-rose-new-york-knicks-found-not-liable-sexual-assault-civil-trial


http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/17790252/golden-state-draymond-green-problem

Speights is claiming he didn't say any of this but whatevs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on October 20, 2016, 11:53:09 PM
https://np.reddit.com/r/warriors/comments/58k94i/hey_rwarriors_my_names_kevin/d913zz8/?context=3
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 21, 2016, 12:09:59 AM
KD is such a cock
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 21, 2016, 11:58:46 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/17777645/tiers-nba-zach-lowe
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 24, 2016, 06:12:01 PM
Season starts tonight. Only a few games. Full slate tomorrow

edit: As usual I'm one day early. Meant Tuesday and Wednesday.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins)
Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2016, 06:30:28 PM
Pelton updated the ESPN projections with the roster finalization and CARMELO has day one projections:

Ranked according to Real Plus-Minus. (RPM / 538's CARMELO / Andrew Johnson who won the last two seasons APBR pre-season projections using the SportVU tracking data plus a +/- method)

West:
1. GSW (67-15 / 68-14 / 72-10) 2. SAS (54-28 / 52-30 / 58-24) 3. UTA (47-35 / 51-31 / 46-36) 4. HOU (47-35 / 45-37 / 48-34)
5. LAC (47-35 / 48-34 / 53-29) 6. OKC (46-36 / 50-32 / 43-39) 7. POR (45-37 / 46-36 / 44-38) 8. DEN (42-40 / 40-42 / 35-47)
9. MEM (40-42 / 35-47 / 39-43) 10. MIN (38-44 / 46-36 / 30-52) 11. SAC (38-44 / 34-48 / 35-47) 12. NOP (37-45 / 35-47 / 37-45)
13. DAL (35-47 / 37-45 / 41-41) 14. PHO (29-53 / 31-51 / 24-58) 15. LAL (24-58 / 25-57 / 22-60)

East:
1. CLE (54-28 / 57-25 / 55-27) 2. BOS (49-33 / 47-35 / 51-31) 3. TOR (48-34 / 51-31 / 52-30) 4. DET (47-35 / 39-43 / 41-41)
5. CHA (42-40 / 45-37 / 45-37) 6. WAS (42-40 / 38-44 / 41-41) 7. ATL (40-42 / 38-44 / 43-39) 8. IND (39-43 / 37-45 / 43-39)
9. CHI (39-43 / 45-37 / 35-47) 10. ORL (37-45 / 38-44 / 35-47) 11. MIA (35-47 / 33-49 / 36-46) 12. NYK (35-47 / 35-47 / 37-45)
13. MIL (33-49 / 32-50 / 34-48) 14. BRK (29-53 / 23-59 / 27-55) 15. PHI (26-56 / 29-53 / 26-56)

I never get my shit together to play argh.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 24, 2016, 10:41:39 PM
Utah  :leon
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 24, 2016, 10:49:16 PM
they're definitely the chief beneficiary of the realignment in the western conference this season. even with Gayward out the first 6 weeks I think they get 50 wins
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins)
Post by: Syph on October 25, 2016, 10:34:17 PM
pray for harrison barnes guys
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 26, 2016, 05:46:13 AM
The Heat had to work out some kinks during the first few games of the Big Three era, same will be true for GS. Didn't expect a blowout like that tho.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins)
Post by: Syph on October 26, 2016, 01:41:55 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 26, 2016, 05:46:13 AM
The Heat had to work out some kinks during the first few games of the Big Three era, same will be true for GS. Didn't expect a blowout like that tho.
in their defense (heh), i doubt pops has let his guys take a day off since the playoff loss
guys were probably still crying in the locker room after game 6 when popovich walked in like "ok guys bus leaves in 20 minutes, practice tomorrow at 6am"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins)
Post by: El Babua on October 26, 2016, 03:12:59 PM
Boston didn't beat their asses like this tho
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 26, 2016, 08:18:17 PM
Philly's crowd is LIT  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2016, 08:19:06 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3oriOihM5angWkIiiY/200w.gif)
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins)
Post by: El Babua on October 27, 2016, 08:53:36 PM
Heat :rejoice

Showtime Willie Reed, Silly Babbitt, and D-Wait are gonna take us to the promised land
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins)
Post by: Syph on October 28, 2016, 04:22:07 PM
WEEKEND UPDATE: STEPHEN A. SMITH ON THE HEAT'S PLAYOFF TROUBLES (http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/web-exclusives-jay-as-stephen-a-smith/n13528)

old video but i just found it and it's goddamn hilarious
PS. RIP anthony davis lol drop 50 points and still lose breh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 29, 2016, 12:14:52 AM
Buddy looks bad
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 29, 2016, 12:48:50 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzvI3Jgrrnc
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 29, 2016, 02:50:43 AM
whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins)
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2016, 05:24:52 PM
Averaging a triple double is definitely something I figured we'd never see again, I thought Jordan/LeBron's like 30/8/8 level was maxing out this era. But Russell might do it. He's right in his prime. He did 24/8/10 last year. And the year before was at 31/9/10 after Durant went down for the year. He had a usage rate of 38% that year.

I imagine OKC's scorer is pretty favorable too. He's averaged like 1.5 more assists per game at home the last two seasons. :teehee
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 31, 2016, 11:36:06 AM
Westbrook statistically will put up an insane year. He has no one telling him not to shoot anymore. He has no one on the team who is remotely as gifted offensively as he is anymore. It all will lead to him having an insane usage rate and putting up an ungodly number of shots.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins)
Post by: Syph on October 31, 2016, 02:27:53 PM
yup, the only potential problem is usage/fatigue, but I think that will be weighed against the constant dick-sucking in hopes that he'll stay in OKC forever so they won't risk annoying him by limiting minutes

btw a couple days late but lol @ dwight howard's shit game against 76ers
gotta take my shots at that arrogant underacheiveing fuck when i can
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins)
Post by: El Babua on October 31, 2016, 02:41:06 PM
Heat lost 2 games they could have won, 1 they should have. (Charlotte)

Oh, well. Team looks competitive .Better than I can say for some others.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins)
Post by: naff on October 31, 2016, 05:32:54 PM
http://theundefeated.com/features/white-american-nba-players/

 :doge  :confused  :delicious
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins)
Post by: benjipwns on November 01, 2016, 04:44:31 AM
Quote
Center Rudy Gobert and the Utah Jazz on Monday agreed on a four-year contract extension worth $102 million, according to league sources.
Quote
The Charlotte Hornets have agreed to a four-year extension worth $56 million with Cody Zeller, according to sources and multiple reports.
Quote
The Oklahoma City Thunder have locked up their young core by signing guard Victor Oladipo and center Steven Adams to extensions before Monday's midnight deadline.

Terms for the contracts were not announced by the Thunder, but sources told ESPN's Jeff Goodman that Oladipo received a four-year extension worth $84 million, and sources told ESPN's Royce Young that Adams' deal is for four years and $100 million.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on November 01, 2016, 06:49:35 PM
jesus...
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: dkdk on November 01, 2016, 11:38:57 PM
the nba rn (http://www.premfaces.com/images/site/faces/flo.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 02, 2016, 03:08:29 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/17947439/kevin-durant-golden-state-warriors-thinks-russell-westbrook-brother

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Brehvolution on November 02, 2016, 10:28:53 AM
https://vine.co/v/5Du3ZnxT5FY
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: naff on November 02, 2016, 04:35:38 PM
I got to hang with Adams a little over a year ago. I saw him in Wellington NZ shooting hoops off a busy street outside a bar his friend owns. I fanned out and he was more than happy to hang and chat as no-one around recognised him (we only care about rugby here). That would never happen now he gets paid more than every rugby union player combined :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 03, 2016, 03:08:09 PM
Thunder versus Warriors tonight
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Syph on November 03, 2016, 03:40:13 PM
buckle the fuck up
i predict 40 points for westbrook
but a warriors win as klay quietly puts up 20+ including 6/9 shooting beyond the arc
BOOK IT
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 05, 2016, 03:00:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ujO1rO9Uhw
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 05, 2016, 08:53:34 PM
Embiid is nasty
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2016, 12:47:25 AM
LeBron passed Hakeem to move into the top ten scorers all-time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2016, 12:47:35 AM
Also, this happened:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwiI0NJVEAA7ADX.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 06, 2016, 12:50:51 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW_IzQDBNN0
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 08, 2016, 12:54:44 AM
steph is a pretty good shooter brehs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 08, 2016, 01:39:18 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/17998828/phil-jackson-unhappy-new-york-knicks-limited-use-triangle-offense

lulz

Also wanted to post this a few days ago but forgot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKUD4GUWrLU
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on November 12, 2016, 11:15:09 AM
https://streamable.com/wyop
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: agrajag on November 12, 2016, 07:48:55 PM
My team sucks this year.

Whiteside is playing like a stat stuffer.

Dragic is an average point guard.

Tyler Johnson got way overpaid.

Winslow can't play offense.

No Bosh.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on November 14, 2016, 12:25:00 AM
TJ has potential

Winslow got thrown into the fire way to quick and now he has to develop faster than a player with age/experience should
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 14, 2016, 10:52:02 AM
I think Spo is a good coach. I bet that team is playing better by the end of the season. It's not like the East is loaded with great teams.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: agrajag on November 14, 2016, 11:38:14 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 14, 2016, 10:52:02 AM
I think Spo is a good coach. I bet that team is playing better by the end of the season. It's not like the East is loaded with great teams.

In the pre-season and the first couple of season games I saw them adopt a ball movement 3-point happy approach that I haven't seen the heat employ with Spoelstra before. But it looks like they reverted back to a slower-paced iso-ball approach again..
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 16, 2016, 10:36:47 PM
espn cutting away from warriors-raptors in the 4th quarter for their courtside interview with, wait for it, drake
(http://i.imgur.com/xsl2Nf3.gif)

2016 can't end quickly enough
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on November 17, 2016, 01:04:23 AM
Clippers are the best team in the NBA so far, what a bizarre world.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on November 17, 2016, 01:38:30 AM
And then they lose tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on November 17, 2016, 04:15:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWset1bB_Xc

 :heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Syph on November 30, 2016, 01:38:33 AM
almost teared up a bit at Sean Kilpatrick dropping 38 points tonight
you did it breh
 :tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 30, 2016, 10:03:57 AM
Looks like Giannis has made the leap.


He destroyed the Cavs last night and has been having a stellar season so far.

 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on November 30, 2016, 07:00:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGM7LYSqnI4

this was...  :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 01, 2016, 04:57:16 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJaJMQ_Nxtw
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 01, 2016, 05:05:17 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu6HMkZV_Ek

https://twitter.com/SacramentoKings/status/804108774176919552

https://twitter.com/SacramentoKings/status/804109750183018497

https://twitter.com/SacramentoKings/status/804129013321056257
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 01, 2016, 12:08:59 PM
https://twitter.com/JordanHeckFF/status/804303080619732992
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on December 04, 2016, 12:03:56 AM
What's with the hawks getting blown out by 35+ in back to back games?  :holeup
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 04, 2016, 08:21:55 AM
Quote
Chris Haynes
ESPN.com

Draymond Green asked if he could remember last time Golden State Warriors lost two in a row. PR member quickly interrupted to clarify "regular season."
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 06, 2016, 04:02:23 AM
Klay Thompson put up 60 in 29 minutes on the Pacers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on December 06, 2016, 10:08:25 AM
Pacers were at the back end of a back to back. Absolutely no rim protection, they had to have given klay at least 10 point blank looks at the basket
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 08, 2016, 08:06:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcXv0JtzNQA
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 09, 2016, 03:37:56 PM
dudes having their ankles broken by his pump fakes always has been one of my secret faves :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 15, 2016, 04:42:08 PM
Interesting part of the tentative CBA agreement:
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According to Stein's report, the minimum salary and cap exceptions will now be tied to the cap, as maximum salaries have long been. That's important in cases like the sudden, unexpected growth we saw in the cap when the league's new TV deals kicked in.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on December 15, 2016, 04:53:29 PM
Craig Sager passed away earlier today.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 15, 2016, 05:22:19 PM
RIP to the god
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on December 15, 2016, 05:57:22 PM
 :'( RIP
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 21, 2016, 02:46:33 PM
The Boogie Cousins Experience

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAoqJKFLbbo

https://twitter.com/BenGolliver/status/811455199717912576

https://twitter.com/outsidethenba/status/811456526665809924

 :lol :bow
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 25, 2016, 07:43:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XB918myTE3o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A141Kb6LYek

Great game
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 25, 2016, 11:30:06 PM
I only half watched the game, but it seemed like a bunch of weird calls and non-calls at the end.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 28, 2016, 09:49:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKWTqTPvZXc

 :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 30, 2016, 01:19:22 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pLPF4zULF4
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on January 05, 2017, 03:38:46 PM
https://twitter.com/SacramentoKings/status/817093954684391424
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 05, 2017, 04:10:44 PM
The Republic of Georgia has great wine, but terrible all-star voting.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 06, 2017, 07:37:38 AM
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The trade has not yet been finalized, but the way things appear to sit now involve the Cavaliers sending Mike Dunleavy Jr. and a 2019 first-round pick to the Hawks in exchange for Kyle Korver. It’s also been reported that Mike Dunleavy Jr. could be flipped to a third team prior to Friday’s trade call. Earlier updates had Mo Williams and possibly Cedi Osman involved.

In a separate trade, the Cavaliers are sending their 2017 first-round pick to the Trail Blazers in order to re-acquire their own 2018 first-round pick that, per The Oregonian’s Tim Brown, they gave up in the Anderson Varejao deal last February.
"Stern rigging things again for LeBron" ~ The Walrus r.i.p. in peace
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 06, 2017, 07:46:11 AM
Kings apparently trying hard to get Millsap.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 07, 2017, 01:43:14 PM
:unicorn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8Zct0x7PS0
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 11, 2017, 05:03:52 PM
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Allen Iverson, Kenyon Martin, Chauncey Billups and Stephen Jackson are among a group of retired NBA players who have committed to participating in a 3-on-3 league founded by the entertainer Ice Cube.

"When I got the call it was a no-brainer, it's Ice ... you don't turn that down," Iverson said at a news conference in New York on Wednesday to introduce the league. "That's success looking you right into your eyes. I just wanted to be a part of it and I hope that me being a part of it makes it a success like everything he's been doing in his life."
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Martin expressed similar sentiment about the league, named the BIG3, which will begin play this summer.

Also committed to play are Rashard Lewis, Jermaine O'Neal, ex-NBA guard Jason Williams, Mike Bibby and Bonzi Wells.

Former National Basketball Players Association deputy director Roger Mason Jr. will serve as the league's commissioner and president.

Iverson will be a player-coach and former NBA stars Gary Payton and George Gervin have committed to serve as coaches for three of the league's eight teams.
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Games will be played in half-court settings and will feature 4-point shots, designated by three large circles several feet beyond the traditional 3-point line. Games will be played to 60 points and there will be a seven-minute halftime once a team reaches 30 points.

Ex-professional players over the age of 30 will be eligible to play. Teams will consist of a player/captain and four teammates and there will be a draft in March.

League play will start on June 24 and conclude on Aug. 12 with games being played every Saturday in different cities. All teams will play games on each Saturday. Players will receive 52 percent of league revenue.
http://www.big3.com/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 11, 2017, 05:04:34 PM
(http://www.big3.com/images/2017/01/10/iversonhomenew1.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 12, 2017, 02:32:59 AM
After his 18th of the season, Kevin Pelton is now projecting a 50/50 chance that Westbrook averages a triple double for the season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 12, 2017, 02:37:15 AM
Also, Embiid is kinda crazy, especially for missing over two years, glad to see it really.  It's too bad half the roster plays roughly the same positions, though I think him and Noel/Saric could play together a bit more.  How are they going to deal Okafor with him benched getting DNP's ? Stuff him full of 20 point games and deal him for Rudy Gay or Brandon Knight or somebody.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 12, 2017, 02:48:23 AM
Jahlil needs to show more ability to play the 4 and his value will rise. Needs one or two more values to his game to rise. If you're trading for him, you rely on that happening so what kind of team will trade for a guy they hope develops one more skill?

Trading him doesn't entirely solve the logjam though. An Embiid, Noel, and Saric rotation could work if one of the three is willing to sacrifice minutes. (And I think it should be Noel, because Saric does so many things.)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 13, 2017, 11:04:52 PM
:drudge THE SIXERS HAVE WON THREE IN A ROW :drudge
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 13, 2017, 11:05:26 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18470811/triple-h-endorses-philadelphia-76ers-rookie-big-man-joel-embiid-all-star-game

https://twitter.com/TripleH/status/819702430384422913

https://twitter.com/TripleH/status/820065924308987908

https://twitter.com/Sixers/status/820063722861305856
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 14, 2017, 12:20:43 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2GhsHAWEAAxYmd.jpg)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIwoJvm1APw

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 16, 2017, 04:31:44 PM
Cavs versus Warriors tonight on TNT.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 16, 2017, 09:35:38 PM
That wasn't much of a game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Syph on January 17, 2017, 01:25:57 AM
i'd like to request a chef curry emoji of some kind
im sure thecoli can deliver
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Syph on January 19, 2017, 01:57:40 AM
lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhLC4rRZ_4I
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 20, 2017, 09:47:04 PM
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‎The Minnesota Timberwolves and Detroit Pistons have discussed a potential swap of point guards Ricky Rubio and Reggie Jackson, according to league sources.

Sources told ESPN that no deal appeared imminent Friday but said the teams have engaged in dialogue this week on a potential multiplayer exchange that would be headlined by Rubio and Jackson.

The Wolves have been openly trying to move Rubio for some time and reportedly are willing to attach swingman Shabazz Muhammad to offers featuring the veteran Spanish point guard‎.
:yeshrug
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 20, 2017, 10:01:36 PM
I don't see a victor in that trade. Maybe Detroit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 22, 2017, 12:04:42 AM
Fuck the refs.

It never changes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Your Stalker on February 02, 2017, 10:22:30 PM
that late game meltdown by the rockets  :point
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 02, 2017, 10:24:29 PM
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The Milwaukee Bucks traded forward Miles Plumlee to the Charlotte Hornets on Thursday for big men Spencer Hawes and Roy Hibbert.
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Instead of owing Plumlee $37.5 million over the next three seasons, Milwaukee's only remaining salary commitment beyond 2016-17 is Hawes' $6.0 million player option for next season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 03, 2017, 01:08:39 AM
Jason looks terrified to be there :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moRSbF36qKg

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general comment about Area 21: prove they didn't hire KG to make Shaq look better

Sheed looked completely confused when KG threw out like fifteen shout-outs in the middle of one question the other night :lol
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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 03, 2017, 02:31:30 AM
I think KG already looks better/does better than Shaq. Giving KG his own set is designed to bring in personalities and types that don't fit as well into playing the role a suit requires. They can get in stuff that would stumble all over trying to fit in next to the crew.

These days, Shaq just sits in the corner looking disgruntled. Not providing much energy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 03, 2017, 03:09:04 AM
KG's not a very good host (yet) though and can really grind a segment into dust. He needs like a wingman along with the guest, then he can toss stuff out, bounce things off each other. Like he's better when they do the above stuff with the Inside guys, or even when he had Shaq/Kenny on along with another guest he did alright managing despite those two jabberers being one of the guests.

Him one-on-one with someone often craps out especially if they aren't any good.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on February 04, 2017, 02:21:22 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on October 29, 2016, 12:14:52 AM
Buddy looks bad
so I checked basketball reference because the talk around dude indicated he finally looked like he belongs in the league. Since December he's been averaging 9.5 on 40/44(!)/88 shooting. That's with about 4.5 3pa a game too. So his shooting did translate like I thought it would; it's just that he sucks at everything else.

That doesn't do much to make me feel better about the overall shit group of rookies this year. Ingram's ceiling looks like starting sf/4th option on a good team, Chriss is fun to watch but doesn't know how to play basketball, both Dunn and Brown look like trash, and I don't care about Saric. Other than Embiid, the rookie I like most is Brogdon and I'm still holding out hope for Murray. I liked Baldwin coming out of college but haven't seen Memphis play so I don't know about him. Isn't Deyonta Davis a Grizzly too? What happened to him?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 07, 2017, 02:18:04 AM
https://youtu.be/BKipC47xWL0
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 07, 2017, 09:26:14 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18640447/phil-jackson-tweets-shot-carmelo-anthony-escalates-feud
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Syph on February 07, 2017, 10:01:47 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 07, 2017, 09:26:14 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18640447/phil-jackson-tweets-shot-carmelo-anthony-escalates-feud
this is getting so bizarre
i always thought of carmelo as a loyal soldier, and his numbers are still good
seems weird for jackson to be clearly trying to muscle him out and it almost seems petty...
but then again he's one of the GOATs so I guess he knows better? i suppose we'll see if the result is a quick turnaround or a complete rebuild
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 07, 2017, 10:17:30 PM
Jackson gave him a no-trade clause and now seems to be trying to make Melo miserable enough to agree to be shipped out.

Plus he's always done a lot of passive-aggressive media stuff with his own players, only now he's older and doesn't have the day-to-day interactions that would let him build up the sorts of relationships which could balance that out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 07, 2017, 11:13:15 PM
Phil is all into mind games. He assembled the roster and if he is unhappy with the way it worked out then it's largely on him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on February 08, 2017, 04:20:28 AM
Phil needs to be fired. He's responsible for all the shit trades that have happened since he came to the Knicks. Melo is getting older and still has issues like his lack of defense, but the team hasn't been trash these past couple years because of him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 08, 2017, 09:20:32 PM
https://twitter.com/ischafer/status/829500863794274305
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Syph on February 08, 2017, 09:35:37 PM
holy shit

Charles Oakley arrested after altercation at Madison Square Garden (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18648763/former-new-york-knick-charles-oakley-arrested-being-escorted-madison-square-garden)

if only the knicks played with that intensity eh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on February 09, 2017, 12:41:11 AM
legend
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 09, 2017, 01:18:29 AM
https://twitter.com/SacramentoKings/status/829565750021009408

Like a Stretch Armstrong version of a DeAndre dunk.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on February 09, 2017, 02:47:56 PM
Mike Wise ‏@MikeWiseguy  15h15 hours ago

 True story: Charles Oakley once slapped a player (not Barkley) who owed him money. "How'd he react?" I asked him. Oak: "He stayed slapped."

 :bolo :trigger :goldberg
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 09, 2017, 10:28:22 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18655666/nba-memo-urges-teams-follow-social-media-rules-wake-chandler-parsons-cj-mccollum-twitter-war

I don't understand stuff like this. People loved the twitter/social media aspect of the NBA. It's one thing it was doing better than other leagues. Nobody is getting hurt by it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on February 10, 2017, 08:58:45 PM
https://twitter.com/TheVertical/status/830220963165851649

 :gladbron :gladbron :gladbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 12, 2017, 05:33:38 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18672485/latrell-sprewell-sits-new-york-knicks-owner-james-dolan-game-sunday


 :gurl
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 14, 2017, 01:39:41 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18683479/charles-oakley-ban-new-york-knicks-lifted-wants-apology
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2017, 03:38:52 PM
Love out for 6 weeks  :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 14, 2017, 04:54:58 PM
TRoss for Ibaka.

The Nuggets went pure fiyah on Golden State. I think the Dubs were just dead after the OKC game, but that's two losses to middling teams with all-star quality bigs in the past week. Not sure why Lebron wants more 3pt shooters when Golden State's weakness is inside.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on February 14, 2017, 05:52:25 PM
The Nuggets were 16 of 23 from three in the first half.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 14, 2017, 07:34:11 PM
Someone watching porn during the Simmons podcast. Turn volume up with headphones to hear it. Credit to /r/nba

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/5u42en/porn_in_background_of_bill_simmons_new_podcast/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 15, 2017, 12:37:53 AM
I wonder if Orlando tried to get Toronto to take Biyombo back.

Quote from: etiolate on February 14, 2017, 04:54:58 PM
Not sure why Lebron wants more 3pt shooters when Golden State's weakness is inside.
Because they already have their inside guy in LeBron. LeBron wants another "playmaker" because he needs someone to dump it off to who can drag the defense such that he can get it back. Irving driving doesn't free the lane up for him (or Thompson) it forces him back out to keep the spacing.

This was the funny part about the Melo talk, Melo was the "ideal guy" less because he was a star but because of all the things he does "wrong" in the modern NBA, but none of which would have cramped LeBron or the Cavs offense. Love, and even J.R. Smith, is too smart to not camp in that 18 foot range and post because they stand outside the line. But Melo loves that area and is willing to pass when he thinks his team isn't garbage (see also, in the Olympics), the Cavs could spend 15-20 possessions a game dumping the ball off to Melo and letting LeBron/Irving/Love/Korver all operate off the ball without killing their spacing knowing that Melo wouldn't muck it up as much as he conceivably could because LeBron wouldn't let him AND it favors him one-on-one. (Melo being able to pinch hit at PF, even center against the Warriors, along with being able to shoot the three is gravy.)

The Warriors have been going through growing pains with Durant because when Durant reverts to his OKC state it takes positioning away from everyone else on the team. The Heat had this same problem in 2011 when LeBron and Wade would both still do the backing out to half court thing to open up the spacing for a shot with two seconds on the clock. Something you don't need to do on balanced teams. That's what Green is freaking out about on him every other game recently. And even why Curry seemed pissed at him when Durant refused to set a pick. It's not the problem the Nets had because Durant is a superstar and they naturally all have insane range unlike everyone wanting 18 footers but it's the same type of positioning problem. You can't guard it by flopping a normal big in there though which is why the Cavs aren't particularly interested in one. Especially if he further cramps them on the other end.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 15, 2017, 12:44:07 AM
Now, one New York area feller that might be a better player to grab if they could is Brook Lopez. He checks all those same boxes AND is 7 feet tall despite what his rebounding looks like.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on February 15, 2017, 01:00:29 AM
That 13 game streak the Heat had was pretty good.

Now's the time trade em all for picks while their value is high, Pat.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 15, 2017, 01:13:57 AM
Lebron isn't their inside guy. He's their creator. Thompson and Love eating the boards in the finals last year was an advantage for Cleve once Bogut got hurt.

D-League getting a Gatorade sponsorship and being renamed the G-League.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 15, 2017, 01:41:10 AM
Did you only watch Game 7 or something? Bogut was a non-entity on the boards during the series (which is why Golden State wasn't too broken up about losing him), the Cavaliers outrebounded Golden State even with Bogut on the floor and without Love, LeBron was the leading rebounder out of everyone in the series, oh, and this was his shot chart:
(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/1*TvuZL54WIViieyd6Xs6rkQ.png)

64% of LeBron's shots this season take place within 16 feet. He shoots 63% inside that range. 40% of his shots are within three feet where he shoots 77%. The only Cavs player who shoots more of his shots inside ten feet than LeBron is Tristan Thompson.

I feel like we learned all this about LeBron four years ago or something. He's the most dominant inside player in the game.

The Cavaliers are also the worst shooting team in the 3-10 foot range in the league. It murders their otherwise excellent spacing. The Warriors get away with not shooting from there because they still a top ten team.

One guy who shoots really well from 3-10 feet? Brook Lopez. Just saying.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 15, 2017, 01:54:39 AM
I watched the series. Also watched OKC/GS, where Adams gave them trouble.

None of what you're saying disagrees with my point, which begs the question if you understand the difference between a wing driving to create and typical big man impact. Lebron operates from the high post sometimes, but I assure you he doesn't want to do the work that Adams, Love, or Thompson do.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 15, 2017, 02:36:44 AM
LeBron is second on the team to only Thompson in post AND paint touches and it's more like noise than comparing him to Adams who is an inside only player. (Love trails both. Especially when you factor in drives.) They don't have a "typical big man" to stick down low and I don't see why they would want one, especially to take on Golden State with. Another team which completely avoids it to where when they do play a big they have him stand outside offensively rather than running post plays. (Bogut posted up less than LeBron last year!)

There are only so many bigs that you can snag who can play deep in the post, shoot outside 15 feet and most importantly PASS that'd be available. There's Brook Lopez and Greg Monroe. And maybe Vucevic. Those guys would work for Golden State too.

Steven Adams doesn't pass well or score well out of the post. They might as well have kept Mozgov if they wanted a traditional big. And there's only so many players of his type potentially available, Gortat maybe.

You have to account for spacing problems a "typical big" would create with the Cavs best offense being Irving or LeBron driving, LeBron in the post and then Love and Thompsons clean ups. Love and Thompson both can play outside the paint enough that it doesn't clog for the drives. Love can spend entire possessions outside 18 feet and still be effective. Mozgov actually was causing them this issue more than he was hurting them defensively against Golden State. (No Irving and Love compounded it.) That's why they didn't play him in the rematch and gradually gave up on him in general once they got Frye, who was worse defensively but would camp outside.

So LeBron is looking at that and seeing that he's still going to be their primary inside player deciding he wants more options. Especially since those players are probably easier to get just as they got Korver pretty cheap. And they may be able to snag one off the heap which is why they had the tryouts.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 15, 2017, 03:00:33 AM
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Magic Johnson, who was hired earlier this month as an adviser to Los Angeles Lakers president and co-owner Jeanie Buss as she evaluates the direction of the franchise, said Tuesday that he would try to get Kobe Bryant to join him in the front office if Johnson's role evolves further.

"First call I make if I'm in charge? Kobe Bryant," Johnson said on ESPN's First Take. "Because Kobe understands winning. He understands, also, these players. I would call: 'What role you want? ... If you've got a day, just give me that day.'

"I'll take that. Whatever time he has, I want him to come and be a part of it."
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Brehvolution on February 15, 2017, 10:31:37 AM
https://twitter.com/cavs/status/831682299368349696?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

 :what
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 15, 2017, 09:50:20 PM
https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/832035565579038720
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 16, 2017, 03:39:13 PM
This one is great:

https://streamable.com/6u9nz
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 16, 2017, 07:34:54 PM
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Shane Battier has returned to the Miami Heat.

Battier is now a member of the Heat front office, assuming the newly created role of director of basketball development and analytics. The Heat announced the move Thursday, describing Battier's new job as one where he will develop analytics to evaluate talent, including college players, free agents and members of the existing roster.
smh typical liberal arts majors
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 18, 2017, 02:53:34 AM
A little behind-the-scenes type article on trades, especially around the deadline: http://www.si.com/nba/2017/02/16/nba-trade-deadline-celtics-raptors-serge-ibaka-kendrick-perkins
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Once teams agree on a trade in principle, the parties must share contracts, insurance and medical records of every player involved. Next, they agree on a time to call the league. The NBA prefers to hold calls during the business week, and will typically delay officiating deals that are struck over a weekend barring pressing circumstances.
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But in February, on deadline day, every detail of the transaction must be completely finalized by 3 p.m. ET. “I’ve never worked on Wall Street, but when you make a deal, it’s an adrenaline rush,” said former Nets assistant GM Bobby Marks, now an analyst with The Vertical. If a flurry of deals strike in the final minutes, the league will place each trade in a queue, logging through every move chronologically. But teams cannot continue to negotiate, even on the edges, once they’ve called in the original parameters.
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Team brass huddle for each call. Anywhere from one to six members of a front office, most commonly three or four, join the discussion. Most teams veer towards limiting the number of cooks in the kitchen. “The Knicks aren’t a good example,” one executive quipped. The call begins by each team, as well as the league, respectively announcing who is present, for each call is recorded.

Then, the NBA representative reviews the terms of the negotiation—which each team has emailed to the league’s Manhattan office—for example, clarifying, “Toronto, do you agree to trade Terrence Ross and a 2017 first round pick?” And once the Raptors confirm, the Orlando Magic would be asked to corroborate their agreement to the trade as well. 

The process prohibits a team from exploiting any potential loopholes. The NBA’s legal expert reads through the entire details of each involved players’ contract. For deals involving mostly standard player contracts, the call can be completed in as quickly as 10 minutes. More elaborate deals, like the famous trade that sent Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce to Brooklyn, can take several hours.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on February 18, 2017, 05:15:45 AM
lmao Kyrie is a flat-earther

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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 18, 2017, 01:46:37 PM
To be fair, they don't offer that class until the second year at Duke.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star game Sunday)
Post by: etiolate on February 18, 2017, 10:30:57 PM
Maybe one of the worst All Star Saturday nights that I can remember. Sager bit saved it, but 3pt contest and dunk contest had a bunch of C tier stuff.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star game Sunday)
Post by: etiolate on February 19, 2017, 11:55:42 PM
I'm done with the Kings. Might be one of the worst trades of all time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star game Sunday)
Post by: El Babua on February 19, 2017, 11:57:16 PM
No lie, I feel sorry for you man.

Holy shit, fire the entire organization.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star game Sunday)
Post by: eleuin on February 19, 2017, 11:59:59 PM
Pels need to get that 8th seed now, probably the only team that can stop the dubs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star game Sunday)
Post by: etiolate on February 20, 2017, 12:04:52 AM
I want that new arena empty every game from now on.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cousins traded to the Pelicans)
Post by: etiolate on February 20, 2017, 12:31:45 AM
I hope the best for Boogie, but the way this played out is unfortunate for the Pels. This rather fucks with Cousins' head. He just dropped several interviews saying he wanted Sac, committed to the team and was mentally at peace for once.  The Kings had every reason to not do this.

So I expect he'll get more techs. I am sure he likes playing with AD. That's already one of the best frontcourts to ever play. The problem is that I think Gentry is not a good coach and Cuz doesn't like sudden change.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cousins traded to the Pelicans)
Post by: etiolate on February 20, 2017, 12:38:07 AM
Apparently Vivek balked at paying Cousins the big contract.

From one idiot owner to another.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cousins traded to the Pelicans)
Post by: etiolate on February 20, 2017, 12:50:26 AM
I got no explanation.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cousins traded to the Pelicans)
Post by: benjipwns on February 20, 2017, 12:52:38 AM
They're also getting the 2010 Rookie of the Year Tyreke Evans.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cousins traded to the Pelicans)
Post by: etiolate on February 20, 2017, 01:00:24 AM
Philly owns their swap rights and they are probably now going to tank hard.

Cousins/Davis is insane as a frontcourt, but the Pels are only slightly less distinguished mentally-challenged as a front office. They get one decent wing player and they can actually scare the Dubs in a first round series. I just think Gentry is plain toast as a coach.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cousins traded to the Pelicans)
Post by: etiolate on February 20, 2017, 01:05:33 AM
I think this sums it up in a way

https://twitter.com/Sam_Vecenie/status/833557568899264512
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cousins traded to the Pelicans)
Post by: Mandark on February 20, 2017, 01:16:32 AM
https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne/status/833544440140726272
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cousins traded to the Pelicans)
Post by: benjipwns on February 20, 2017, 01:18:48 AM
watch Kings flip Evans and the picks for Okafor
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cousins traded to the Pelicans)
Post by: Mandark on February 20, 2017, 01:26:37 AM
God, let the Pelicans miss the playoffs and win the draft lottery.

Remember how the NBA felt like it had to step in cause of the way Sam Hinkie was running the 76ers?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All-Star game Sunday)
Post by: Nola on February 20, 2017, 01:26:59 AM
Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on February 20, 2017, 12:11:25 AM
Wow, the Pelicans will be killing it big men wise now. Probably the shot in the arm they needed.

Lol Kings are dead.

8 of our 14 roster spots have players who's natural position is the 4 or 5.

First bench mob unit of all big men coming at you!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cousins traded to the Pelicans)
Post by: etiolate on February 20, 2017, 01:40:15 AM
Nola will Gentry run a proper offense around Cousins and Davis? Cuz nobody is stopping that. You could literally run a a Davis/Boogie PnR with Cuz as the ball handler.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cousins traded to the Pelicans)
Post by: Mandark on February 20, 2017, 01:44:18 AM
Quote from: Mandark on February 20, 2017, 01:26:37 AM
Remember how the NBA felt like it had to step in cause of the way Sam Hinkie was running the 76ers?

I was posting this to point out how there hasn't been any intervention with Sacramento, in contrast.

But now I've been reminded that thanks to Hinkie, the 76ers get to swap 1st round picks with the Kings this year, so even if the King's lucked into winning the lottery, they'd probably wind up picking around 4th or 5th.

AND the 76ers have the King's 2019 first rounder, which is completely unprotected, and probably more valuable now that they've reset the team.

AND the Kings didn't get assets back for those picks, they were part of a salary dump.

AND that salary dump was to clear space which they eventually used on Rajon Rondo, Marco Belinelli, and Kosta Koufos.

Lordy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cousins traded to the Pelicans)
Post by: Nola on February 20, 2017, 01:48:45 AM
Quote from: etiolate on February 20, 2017, 01:40:15 AM
Nola will Gentry run a proper offense around Cousins and Davis? Cuz nobody is stopping that. You could literally run a a Davis/Boogie PnR with Cuz as the ball handler.

Gentry is the biggest ??? for me. But he's been that way for me since we hired him, so I am a bit biased.

On paper he is close to the opposite coach of what you would want building around two big men in their mold. A heavily system coach known for maximizing and emphasizing guard play... But how hard can it be to do like you just said lol?

But recent reports about the culture Gentry fostered does have me a bit worried. Lots of talk about how poorly prepared and unfocused the locker room is under Gentry.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cousins traded to the Pelicans)
Post by: etiolate on February 20, 2017, 01:54:42 AM
Kings are probably going to start dumping vets. Might get a pick back that way, but it's such a mess that who knows. I feel bad for Joerger, who had righted the ship. I can only assume this comes from Vivek and left it to Vlade, and Vlade is just fucking terrible at trades.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cousins traded to the Pelicans)
Post by: etiolate on February 20, 2017, 01:59:21 AM
I like Buddy too, but as a compliment to a star. Not to replace a fucking one-in-a-lifetime player.

You have to be so completely sheltered from reality that you have no finger on the pulse of things to think this move won't curse your franchise for years. They did this once already by firing Malone and I think this will do it again. They truly have no connection with reality.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cousins traded to the Pelicans)
Post by: Nola on February 20, 2017, 02:04:11 AM
I think Buddy is going to be a much better player then a lot of the hot takes(not here but all over elsewhere) I am reading that haven't really watched him.

I would of gladly gave up an unprotected 2019 first rounder instead of giving up Buddy.

I think the Kings may actually be good for him because he won't be stuck in this weird role in New Orleans where I don't think Gentry was doing right by him. Though I agree he is ultimately not and never will be your #1 franchise player.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cousins traded to the Pelicans)
Post by: etiolate on February 20, 2017, 02:09:13 AM
It's going to be funny if the NBA puts in that new rule to help small markets keep their stars and then George and Cousins get traded away.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cousins traded to the Pelicans)
Post by: Nola on February 20, 2017, 02:23:56 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5Fdlo8UYAA5GvM.jpg)



(http://i.imgur.com/vMVOZrp.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cousins traded to the Pelicans)
Post by: etiolate on February 20, 2017, 02:27:10 AM
The good news on Gentry is that if he flubs it up, there will be a long line of coaches who want the job.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cousins traded to the Pelicans)
Post by: Nola on February 20, 2017, 02:33:21 AM
https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/833541068062814210

https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/833552119542067200


(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/2957518/you-salty-o.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cousins traded to the Pelicans)
Post by: benjipwns on February 20, 2017, 07:29:24 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/RmBtLP0.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cousins traded to the Pelicans)
Post by: team filler on February 20, 2017, 11:59:40 AM
whatever happened to "basketball reasons"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cousins traded to the Pelicans)
Post by: etiolate on February 20, 2017, 01:40:31 PM
Yeah, if there ever was a case for stepping in, it's this. However, the basketball reasons happened while the NBA had part owernship of the team.They don't have that situation here. There's still major dysfunction a la the Sixers.

And Grant's a piece of shit weasel. He backed the Maloofs while they were lying to the fans and his audience base is pretty much racist old white men. He had problems with Webber, too. Said he was a cancer. Etc. Any expressive large black man the team has had, he's taking shots at. It's always been suspect as fuck.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cousins traded to the Pelicans)
Post by: etiolate on February 20, 2017, 07:03:47 PM
Vlade on the trade:

-had a better offer two days ago but it passed
-then worried he wouldn't get any better trade, went with NO
-Learned he can't trust agents
-Said he wasn't trading Cousins to Marc Stein cuz he wasn't getting offers (??????????)
-positions don't matter

Just sublime fuckery.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cousins traded to the Pelicans)
Post by: Nola on February 20, 2017, 07:11:04 PM
Quote from: etiolate on February 20, 2017, 01:40:31 PM
Yeah, if there ever was a case for stepping in, it's this. However, the basketball reasons happened while the NBA had part owernship of the team.They don't have that situation here. There's still major dysfunction a la the Sixers.

And Grant's a piece of shit weasel. He backed the Maloofs while they were lying to the fans and his audience base is pretty much racist old white men. He had problems with Webber, too. Said he was a cancer. Etc. Any expressive large black man the team has had, he's taking shots at. It's always been suspect as fuck.

The irony in all this is the guy on the winning side of this trade is who that whole meme centered around. And his awful deal to send CP3 to the Lakers for over the hill leftovers and I guess Goran Dragic.

And it took an almost as incompetent organization as the Kings, in the Pelicans, to let Demps stay on and keep failing until he finally lucked into a home run a week after trying to offer nearly the same deal for fucking Jahlil Okafor lol.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cousins traded to the Pelicans)
Post by: benjipwns on February 20, 2017, 07:38:55 PM
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A front-office source familiar with the Kings' thinking said owner Vivek Ranadive's adoration of Hield was a key driver in the deal. "Vivek thinks Buddy has Steph Curry potential," the source told ESPN's Baxter Holmes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cousins traded to the Pelicans)
Post by: benjipwns on February 20, 2017, 07:52:31 PM
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Ever since his group purchased 65 percent of the Kings, rescuing them from Seattle's clutches, Ranadive's worlds have merged. Or collided, depending on the perspective. He speaks in slogans and hyperbole, a subset of the language he calls V-speak. In his speeches he talks about the world entering "Civilization 3.0," and in interviews he talks about the Kings being the forerunners of "NBA 3.0." He refers to the team's new arena, scheduled to open for the 2016-17 season, as "WBA" -- World's Best Arena. He says he intends for Sacramento to become the "basketball capital of the globe." It's basketball as TED Talk.

He has an affinity for leading groups in "Silicon Valley cheers." When Nik Stauskas was on a conference call with Kings executives after being drafted with the No. 8 pick last year, Ranadive led the room in a "1-2-3 -- Nik rocks!" cheer.
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The Kings' collapsing season has made Ranadive the target of Internet snark for his suggestions that his teams play "positionless basketball" -- not a new concept -- and employ a four-on-five defense with one player hanging back for easy baskets.
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"There are a lot of stories out there that I was telling players what to do and telling the coach what to do," Ranadive says. "None of it was true. They were saying I was advocating playing five-on-four defense with a cherry picker, and I never suggested that. One time we were lamenting the fact that our starters were really good, we'd go up 15 and then our bench would come in and we'd go down five points. And I just said, 'Has anyone ever thought about having four guys on defense and one guy cherry-picking, and if we get a stop we can get our two points back?' I thought in the last part of a quarter, maybe, when you're up 10 and you want to keep the lead, is that a strategy that could be used in the NBA?

"And by the way, I had a number of owners email me saying I wasn't the first guy to think of that. One said, 'I've asked that for years.'"
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Ranadive wasn’t finished with this point. In fact, of the five, this is the one he says led to Malone’s dismissal.

“Defense is great, but we need defense and offense,” he said. “We need to go from a rules-based organization, which was important when you had chaos, to a values-based organization. From kind of a programmatic offense, to a read-and-respond, free-flowing offense. I like to use a music metaphor. We had a Sousa marching band, which was needed when there was chaos, but now we need to shift to a jazz band, where people can be individually showcased and improvised. What we need is a jazz director. I think that’s the kind of leadership moving forward.”
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“I’ve been beaten before,” he said. “They said that Seattle had won, and we would never be able to keep this team. People said that Cousins was toxic, and he was a cancer and we should get rid of him. They said that Rudy [Gay] was terrible, and even if he came, he would never stay. They said if Isaiah [Thomas] left, the team would fall apart. So look, I’m surrounded by really smart people, and they give me great advice. They call the shots, and I support them.”

(http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2015%2F0211%2Fmag_analytics01_Whittake_1296x518.jpg&w=1006&h=402&scale=crop&cquality=80&location=origin)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cousins traded to the Pelicans)
Post by: etiolate on February 20, 2017, 07:56:26 PM
Sorry beni.

Reposting for emphasis.


“I’ve been beaten before,” he said. “They said that Seattle had won, and we would never be able to keep this team. People said that Cousins was toxic, and he was a cancer and we should get rid of him. They said that Rudy [Gay] was terrible, and even if he came, he would never stay. They said if Isaiah [Thomas] left, the team would fall apart. So look, I’m surrounded by really smart people, and they give me great advice. They call the shots, and I support them.”
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cousins traded to the Pelicans)
Post by: etiolate on February 21, 2017, 12:48:04 AM
https://twitter.com/CarmichaelDave/status/833915554071093248


Culture change
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cousins traded to the Pelicans)
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 21, 2017, 02:05:50 PM
The Lakers are fucked. :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cousins traded to the Pelicans)
Post by: etiolate on February 21, 2017, 02:07:23 PM
The Cousins trade was so bad that it got Mitch and Jim fired for not taking advantage of Vlade. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cousins traded to the Pelicans)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 21, 2017, 02:32:31 PM
Drummond traded?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQx_zSFgLCD/

rumor pointing to Boston
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cousins traded to the Pelicans)
Post by: etiolate on February 21, 2017, 02:43:22 PM
You still get Cousins for next year, which is a good amount of time to convince him to stay. If you win with him then he's on board.

The Kings got crap value not because of what Boogie is worth but what other teams thought the Kings were worth. You don't deliver your best offer to a guy who you're sure is an easy mark.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cousins traded to the Pelicans)
Post by: benjipwns on February 21, 2017, 03:29:43 PM
Somebody on twitter the other night noted that Andre and Buddy Hield are the same age.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cousins traded to the Pelicans)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 21, 2017, 04:19:34 PM
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In a move that drastically reshapes the leadership structure of one of the NBA's most illustrious franchises two days before the league's trade deadline, the Los Angeles Lakers have named Hall of Famer Magic Johnson their new president of basketball operations while firing both longtime general manager Mitch Kupchak and executive vice president of basketball operations Jim Buss.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18734012/los-angeles-lakers-put-magic-johnson-charge-fire-mitch-kupchak-jim-buss
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Buss Out. Magic In)
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 21, 2017, 04:29:12 PM
Oh boy
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Buss Out. Magic In)
Post by: Kara on February 21, 2017, 06:13:52 PM
Jimbo should've been purged years ago and was only there because Dr. Buss treated fail sons as equivalent to children who have been in the family business since age 18. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Mitch was probably collateral damage, but he'll look much better when we behold the horror that is President Magic.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Buss Out. Magic In)
Post by: Syph on February 21, 2017, 06:16:56 PM
inb4 Lowry to Lakers
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Buss Out. Magic In)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 21, 2017, 06:26:19 PM
Buss sucked but he basically he lost his job because he extended Kobe with that insane contract that delayed the rebuilding process.

I love Magic but the only really answer for the Lakers is to actually commit to the rebuilding process. The landscape has changed. The money is split around nowadays and the Lakers name doesn't mean the same thing it meant in the 70's, 80's and 90's. You can be rich and get paid anywhere. You can't just name brand your way through it like they could in the past.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Buss Out. Magic In)
Post by: benjipwns on February 21, 2017, 08:37:29 PM
Magic getting to work:
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The Los Angeles Lakers have agreed to trade sixth-man Lou Williams to the Houston Rockets in exchange for swingman Corey Brewer and a first-round pick, sources told ESPN, confirming multiple reports.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Buss Out. Magic In)
Post by: Syph on February 21, 2017, 10:14:31 PM
as seen on thecoli:

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"Damn two healthy whitemen got kicked out of their jobs by a nicca with HIV. This isn't the Trump America I was expecting"

 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Buss Out. Magic In)
Post by: benjipwns on February 21, 2017, 11:08:05 PM
Lakers confirmed that was Magic's first deal and he's the guy to contact in the front office for all moves. :doge
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There’s been questions around the league of who to call with the Lakers in advance of Thursday’s trade deadline. It’s unequivocally Magic. Magic is the person who made the trade with Houston for Lou Williams. He’s the person working the phones.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Buss Out. Magic In)
Post by: Mandark on February 21, 2017, 11:45:10 PM
Quote from: Jack Remington on February 21, 2017, 10:49:54 PM
A guy who just turned 30 with a 24 PER, for a complete garbage player and what will probably be the 26th or 27th pick in the draft. That's basically a second round pick at that point. Awful move.

If they were getting a pick from like Denver or Milwaukee or a team around that area of the standings, that would be a different story.
Alternately it's a 30-year-old guard with a career playoff PER in the middle of an outlier season.

They could have maybe gotten a slightly better pick, but I don't see this as a bad deal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Buss Out. Magic In)
Post by: benjipwns on February 22, 2017, 04:36:59 AM
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Adrian Wojnarowski: Teams have told me in the last 24 hours that (the Knicks) have been really aggressive trying to move Derrick Rose for almost anything, to see if they can get any value back for him.
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Adrian Wojnarowski on DeMarcus Cousins trade: Once (the Kings front office) they got Vivek on board, they didn’t want him to change his mind again. That was part of the reason they rushed on Sunday to get the deal done.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Buss Out. Magic In)
Post by: Syph on February 22, 2017, 04:46:35 AM
Man I had such high hopes for D Rose and Carmelo. Real high. Wtf happened
spoiler (click to show/hide)
it's not their fault
[close]
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Buss Out. Magic In)
Post by: etiolate on February 22, 2017, 08:33:26 PM
I know the Kings stuff only matters to me, but this is the same fuckery that happened with the Maloofs.

http://deadspin.com/sacramento-radio-guy-pulled-off-air-over-anti-vlade-div-1792654041

Not only did they suspend a guy for being critical of Vlade's presser, but their morning host who has been critical and was the guy at the Cousins goodbye part has been MIA for 18 hours. He wasn't on the morning show and has been silent on social media. He could just be exhausted, but he's not normally quiet on twitter. He was also fired from the same station in the past for criticizing the Maloofs and was rehired after the team was sold to the Vivek group.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Buss Out. Magic In)
Post by: benjipwns on February 23, 2017, 03:31:03 PM
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Oklahoma City Thunder get:
Taj Gibson, F
Doug McDermott, F
2018 second-round pick

Chicago Bulls get:
Anthony Morrow, G
Joffrey Lauvergne, C
Cameron Payne, G

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Philadelphia 76ers get:
Andrew Bogut, C
Justin Anderson, F
Top-18 protected first-round pick

Dallas Mavericks get:
Nerlens Noel, F

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Atlanta Hawks get:
Ersan Ilyasova, F
Future second-round pick

Philadelphia 76ers get:
Tiago Splitter, C
Draft considerations

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Washington Wizards get:
Bojan Bogdanovic, SG
Chris McCullough, PF

Brooklyn Nets get:
Andrew Nicholson, PF
Marcus Thornton, SG
2017 first-round pick (lottery-protected)

Wizards spying on my Nets "MyGM" in 2K17 dealing for my starting forwards because of their hott play. :doge

edit: more!
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Denver Nuggets get:
Roy Hibbert, C

Milwaukee Bucks get:
Protected future second-round pick

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NEW ORLEANS -- In a move to add salary-cap space, the Houston Rockets traded forward K.J. McDaniels to the Brooklyn Nets on Thursday afternoon just before the 3 p.m. ET trade deadline, according to a source.

The Rockets also traded Tyler Ennis to the Lakers in exchange for fellow guard Marcelo Huertas, a source said. Houston is expected to waive Huertas.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Buss Out. Magic In)
Post by: benjipwns on February 23, 2017, 03:34:32 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/demarcus-cousins-trade-baffling-way-164959196.html
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But here is where it gets even uglier for the Kings. According to several NBA insiders, including Adrian Wojnarowski of The Vertical, the Kings lied to Cousins' agents about wanting to trade him, and NBA agents are not happy.

"We know that Vlade Divac, their GM, had been very, publicly and privately, had been pretty emphatic that they were not going to do this," Wojnaroski said on his podcast. "He came out publicly and said, 'I'm not going to trade Cousins at the deadline. He's going to be here. We want to re-sign him.' And he told that to Cousins and he told that to Cousins' agents, Jarinn Akana and Dan Fegan."
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"Several agents have already told me that [Sacramento] has lost all credibility after assuring Cousins he would not be traded this year and extended,"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Buss Out. Magic In)
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 23, 2017, 03:45:06 PM
Nerlens Noel, save us!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Buss Out. Magic In)
Post by: benjipwns on February 23, 2017, 03:57:21 PM
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The Pelicans are now expected to waive Terrence Jones, according to sources, so that he can pursue other options.
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The Mavs have told Deron Williams they will pay off the full remaining amount of his deal if he wants to be a free agent, league sources say
rumor was he wanted to go back to Utah
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Buss Out. Magic In)
Post by: benjipwns on February 23, 2017, 03:59:06 PM
apparently Phil was demanding picks along with Rubio for Rose and then at the last minute offered to do it straight one-for-one but the deadline was past

NEW YORK KNICKS BASKETBALL
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Buss Out. Magic In)
Post by: T-Short on February 23, 2017, 04:03:10 PM
https://twitter.com/xOrtiz4x/status/834841063122681864 (https://twitter.com/xOrtiz4x/status/834841063122681864)

lol. well that went well
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Buss Out. Magic In)
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 23, 2017, 04:12:32 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 23, 2017, 03:59:06 PM
apparently Phil was demanding picks along with Rubio for Rose and then at the last minute offered to do it straight one-for-one but the deadline was past

NEW YORK KNICKS BASKETBALL

https://twitter.com/MagicJohnson/status/446043004756062208
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Buss Out. Magic In)
Post by: benjipwns on February 23, 2017, 04:16:08 PM
couple more deals trickled in:
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The Phoenix Suns are acquiring forward Mike Scott from the Atlanta Hawks for cash, sources told ESPN's Brian Windhorst.
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The Toronto Raptors are sending center Jared Sullinger and two second-round draft picks to the Phoenix Suns for forward P.J. Tucker, sources confirmed to ESPN.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Buss Out. Magic In)
Post by: benjipwns on February 23, 2017, 04:19:33 PM
Deron Williams might consider the Cavaliers too apparently.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Buss Out. Magic In)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 23, 2017, 05:23:51 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 23, 2017, 04:19:33 PM
Deron Williams might consider the Cavaliers too apparently.

aw shit
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Buss Out. Magic In)
Post by: Syph on February 23, 2017, 06:45:57 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 23, 2017, 03:59:06 PM
apparently Phil was demanding picks along with Rubio for Rose and then at the last minute offered to do it straight one-for-one but the deadline was past

NEW YORK KNICKS BASKETBALL
wtf is happening with phil
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Buss Out. Magic In)
Post by: benjipwns on February 23, 2017, 07:26:09 PM
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Russillo
@ryenarussillo


Deron Williams to Cleveland sounds done, matter of paperwork. Next target is Bogut.
Maybe they can get Ognjen Kuzmic and have both of the 2015 champion Warriors seven footers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Buss Out. Magic In)
Post by: etiolate on February 23, 2017, 09:53:05 PM
https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/834957798827929600

That's some petty shit
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Buss Out. Magic In)
Post by: Kara on February 24, 2017, 04:55:28 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 21, 2017, 06:26:19 PM
Buss sucked but he basically he lost his job because he extended Kobe with that insane contract that delayed the rebuilding process.

Setting aside the fact that that's a legitimate cause to terminate someone on its own, he also spectacularly mishandled the post-Shaq "rebuild" (how quickly we forget the architect of the following starting 5: Smush Parker, Kobe Bryant, Luke Walton, Lamar Odom, and Kwame Brown) and, instead of taking his lumps for that and trading Kobe when he asked to be traded (as Jeanie and Phil advocated at the time), he kicked the can up the road once again. Even Anno doesn't have this many failed rebuilds.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Buss Out. Magic In)
Post by: Mandark on February 24, 2017, 05:15:05 AM
Quote from: Kara on February 24, 2017, 04:55:28 AM
Setting aside the fact that that's a legitimate cause to terminate someone on its own, he also spectacularly mishandled the post-Shaq "rebuild" (how quickly we forget the architect of the following starting 5: Smush Parker, Kobe Bryant, Luke Walton, Lamar Odom, and Kwame Brown) and, instead of taking his lumps for that and trading Kobe when he asked to be traded (as Jeanie and Phil advocated at the time), he kicked the can up the road once again. Even Anno doesn't have this many failed rebuilds.

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YOU GUYS WON TWO TITLES AFTER THAT.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Buss Out. Magic In)
Post by: Kara on February 24, 2017, 12:55:36 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 24, 2017, 05:15:05 AM
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YOU GUYS WON TWO TITLES AFTER THAT.

Not all of us are Alan Greenspan fans, Mandark.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Buss Out. Magic In)
Post by: etiolate on February 24, 2017, 04:57:28 PM
Laker fans are sub-human. You just have to accept that when dealing with them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Buss Out. Magic In)
Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2017, 05:18:09 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18759654/golden-state-warriors-asked-turner-sports-address-shaquille-oneal-criticism-javale-mcgee
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The Golden State Warriors have reached out to Turner Sports to discuss Shaquille O'Neal's ongoing coverage of center JaVale McGee, league sources told ESPN.

Sources told ESPN that the Warriors contacted Turner officials to express concern about TNT's yearslong McGee coverage on the "Shaqtin' a Fool" segment on the popular "Inside The NBA" show, with the team contending that the ongoing negative portrayal of the veteran center is doing unnecessary damage to McGee's reputation.

A Turner source confirmed the discussions with the Warriors and told ESPN that "the matter has been discussed internally" after a Twitter feud erupted Thursday night between O'Neal and McGee.
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"Shaq was a s---ty free throw shooter. He missed dunks. He airballed free throws. He couldn't shoot outside the paint," Durant said. "He's bigger than everybody. He didn't have any skill, but he was bigger and stronger than everybody. And he's still a great player, but you had your flaws too as a player. And he played on five or six teams too, so it's not like he was just like this perfect center. You had your flaws, too."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Buss Out. Magic In)
Post by: FStop7 on February 24, 2017, 05:34:57 PM
Quote from: Kevin Durant
I didn’t know cops could threaten civilians like that

 :lol :lol :lol Sometimes KD makes it really hard to hate him.  That's hilarious.

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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 24, 2017, 05:59:21 PM
Shaq made it impossible for me to watch Inside the NBA anymore.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Syph on February 25, 2017, 04:07:22 AM
shaq going for the jugular
 :shaq

mcgee getting his mom to fight his battles on twitter
 :heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 25, 2017, 10:02:40 PM
https://twitter.com/KLChouinard/status/835681220692434946

:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 26, 2017, 04:08:19 AM
Speedy Claxton did that to get through a screen Jerome James was setting once.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 26, 2017, 04:56:10 AM
Quote from: ESPN
Pelicans running out of time to adjust to DeMarcus Cousins' presence
Anthony Davis and DeMarcus Cousins will be a great duo someday, but the Pelicans need them to figure out how to play together quickly
it's been two games :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2017, 01:11:26 PM
I really like the Deron Williams pick-up. Lebron has rarely played with a good pass oriented point guard and  that should help take some of the pressure off of him being the primary ballhandler. Also really works well for the 2nd unit since he basically will function in the role of Delladova.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Nola on February 27, 2017, 12:05:22 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 26, 2017, 04:56:10 AM
Quote from: ESPN
Pelicans running out of time to adjust to DeMarcus Cousins' presence
Anthony Davis and DeMarcus Cousins will be a great duo someday, but the Pelicans need them to figure out how to play together quickly
it's been two games :lol

Trying to stir the drama already lol.

Meanwhile in reality:
https://twitter.com/Jim_Eichenhofer/status/836060850200932353?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
https://twitter.com/Jim_Eichenhofer/status/836056880376131585?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

They are fine. Other then a bullshit tech tonight that will get him suspended, Cousins has been doing and saying all the right things. He seems to be bought in. Jrue just needs to get back to being aggressive and playing at least like an average point guard and they win two of these last three.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 27, 2017, 12:13:16 AM
I never realized how poor Jrue's ball control is until I started watching more Pels games.

Ideally, Jrue needs to attack and look for his shot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Nola on February 27, 2017, 12:15:47 AM
Quote from: etiolate on February 27, 2017, 12:13:16 AM
I never realized how poor Jrue's ball control is until I started watching more Pels games.

Ideally, Jrue needs to attack and look for his shot.

He has always had 1-2 bonehead turnovers a game but since the allstar break Jrue looks worse then he has at any point in a New Orleans uniform.

I get synergy issues but it has gone beyond that. Hopefully a couple days off and his teammates all re-iterating(like Davis said after the game) for him to just get back to attacking and playing aggressive like he was during his run before the break where he legit looked like an elite guard.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Nola on February 27, 2017, 12:23:10 AM
On another note, Buddy has looked pretty good in his first two showings with you guys.

I doubt he becomes the next Steph Curry lol, but when all is said and done it might not end up as bad for you all. Time is running out for the Pels to start clicking and I could realistically see you all getting the 5 or 6 pick and Buddy turning out to be a pretty good player.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 27, 2017, 01:09:09 AM
Since the trade, Skal has been the most impressive player. Face up jumper, athletic, and even rebounding with that stick frame.

I Think the Pels will be fine. The Casspi injury really hurts tho.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Nola on February 27, 2017, 04:06:23 PM
Quote from: etiolate on February 27, 2017, 01:09:09 AM
Since the trade, Skal has been the most impressive player. Face up jumper, athletic, and even rebounding with that stick frame.

I Think the Pels will be fine. The Casspi injury really hurts tho.

Still not happy we cut him because I wanted to convince him to stay with us next season. Doubt he comes back after we cut him twice now. The Pels biggest issue is depth. The team falls off a cliff talent wise after Jrue/Cousins/AD.

Seal is a guy I almost completely forgot about. You all don't seem to know how to draft guards, but you seem to do well finding big men.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 27, 2017, 06:24:02 PM
Yeah, they suck at drafting guards. They have nobody that understands how to grade the PG spot or judge guard skills. You can't point to Isaiah and say they knew then, because they also drafted Jimmer in that same draft and it was a throw-away last pick of the draft. The idea was either pick him or someone else and invite the other guy to camp.

Part of the riff with Cousins was that he'd see this bunk ass guards they'd draft in pre-season and quickly realize they couldn't do anything but shoot in the gym. Malachi has been their best looking guard pick in years.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 27, 2017, 11:26:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGEZmA25_Mo
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Syph on March 01, 2017, 04:53:44 AM
KD  :tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2017, 06:21:55 AM
Quote
Is Durant running from LeBron? Stephen A. Smith believes a big reason Kevin Durant didn't join the Wizards was to avoid facing LeBron James until "absolutely necessary."
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: FStop7 on March 01, 2017, 04:28:57 PM
Just saw the news about Durant.  That fucking sucks.  I'm all the way on the KD/GSW hate train but I don't want dudes getting hurt and it's going to be a hollow victory if someone takes down GSW when they're at less than full strength.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 01, 2017, 04:44:13 PM
Quote from: FStop7 on March 01, 2017, 04:28:57 PM
Just saw the news about Durant.  That fucking sucks.  I'm all the way on the KD/GSW hate train but I don't want dudes getting hurt and it's going to be a hollow victory if someone takes down GSW when they're at less than full strength.



If you can't accept your team getting a hollow victory, you're not a true fan. :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 01, 2017, 05:32:31 PM
cavs in 6
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Syph on March 01, 2017, 05:58:57 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 01, 2017, 05:32:31 PM
cavs in 6
against the raptors, maybe
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on March 01, 2017, 06:59:46 PM
He might be back for the 2nd round.

Injuries like this needs months to properly heal. Don't want a D.Rose situation when he comes back early.  :doge

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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 03, 2017, 12:18:30 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18809477/derrick-rose-new-york-knicks-getting-used-triangle-offense

Phil Jackson has reached his inevitable destiny of being a cranky old man yelling at the clouds.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 03, 2017, 09:24:40 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18816027/los-angeles-lakers-jeanie-buss-thwarts-coup-attempt-brothers-johnny-buss-jim-buss

lolkers
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Kara on March 03, 2017, 11:56:41 PM
Jim Buss only got fired for signing Kobe to a bad contract.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2017, 01:05:58 PM
Long term it actually probably wasn't too bad of move, paid off their star so he got to go out with a historic shot jacking season while their first piece in Randle was injured and they could completely reboot with a new young core. They had to make a break with Gasol at some point AND dumping Bynum worked out as well as could be hoped considering Howard's already bolted on the team he left the Lakers for.

Plus they got to hire and fire Byron Scott before he could hurt the team by angering all his players too much.

Worked pretty well for the Cavs. :idont

His real stupid move was promising to his sister who was also his boss that they'd be a contender by this season. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2017, 05:31:01 PM
http://media.video-cdn.espn.com/gifs/mp4/dm_161229_Ryan_Anderson_3_pointer_2gif.mp4

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Syph on March 06, 2017, 09:05:35 PM
Bogut just broke his tibia 1 minute into his Cavs debut....
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on March 06, 2017, 09:45:43 PM
Feels good to win back to back against the defending champs  :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 06, 2017, 10:33:01 PM
wow at Bogut. That's one of the craziest things I've seen in awhile.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Fifstar on March 08, 2017, 06:22:54 AM
 :bow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpiXFpekQ9w :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 08, 2017, 09:22:34 AM
Greatness.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 08, 2017, 11:34:24 PM
Skal continues to be the best looking young guy on the Kings since the trade, which is not a great thing when he's not the guy you traded to get. You just weren't playing him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 09, 2017, 11:36:07 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18848217/all-backfires-how-brooklyn-nets-rebuilding-nothing

I tend to prefer these kind of articles about the sad sacks over the contenders.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 09, 2017, 03:57:39 PM
https://twitter.com/VernonMaxwell11/status/839893370449375232

fiyah
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 10, 2017, 01:45:25 PM
https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/840268555216015360

https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/840268970263367680

This seems huge and likely has a made-for-movie story behind it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: FStop7 on March 10, 2017, 11:06:03 PM
Steve Kerr is such a fragile bitch.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 11, 2017, 04:48:23 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18883035/lamarcus-aldridge-san-antonio-spurs-indefinitely-experiencing-minor-heart-arrhythmia
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 15, 2017, 08:24:53 PM
 :gurl

Quote
GREENBURGH, N.Y. -- New York Knicks coach Jeff Hornacek believes the team's triangle offense can be a potential draw for free agents this summer.

"There might be players that think [the triangle offense is a deterrent], but there are also probably players out there that say 'Oh man, I'd like to run something like that,'" Hornacek said Wednesday. "There are guys that may not necessarily like to run around and in [screen] staggers and all that stuff. It's still an offense where guys, if they're knowledgeable about the game, should like."

http://www.espn.com./nba/story/_/id/18916573/triangle-lure-free-agents

Coach of the knicks must be what its like to be a press secretary under Trump. You just have to spout 24/7 bullshit just cause.


Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 17, 2017, 05:46:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rnCCLRMK-8

Disgusting
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 20, 2017, 01:55:18 AM
https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/843684070643056640
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Syph on March 24, 2017, 09:15:07 PM
It occurs to me there is no March Madness thread.....

Wtf is happening to Baylor right now tho? Crazy, I guess SC last round wasn't a fluke...RIP Coach K

Looking forward to a UCLA chokejob tonight so I don't have to hear that clown ass Lavar Ball speak anymore smh guy's an idiot
On the other hand I can't in good faith cheer for Kentucky given my Jayhawk allegiance...speaking of Jayhawks yall see the game last night?  :jawalrus
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Syph on March 24, 2017, 11:41:52 PM
Wow Kentucky is playing such an excellent game
Great time management too

Also Devin Booker just dropped 70 goddamn points
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 24, 2017, 11:59:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pan_1zX0RPE
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 25, 2017, 02:01:29 AM
holy shit
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Huff on March 25, 2017, 02:45:30 AM
Feeling pretty elite right now :smugface
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Huff on March 25, 2017, 03:11:45 AM
(https://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/uploads/usat-images/2016/04/9969294-ncaa-basketball-ncaa-tournament-east-regional-wisconsin-vs-florida-1-850x560.jpeg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 25, 2017, 03:16:04 AM
Booker essentially put up 70 garbage time points. I can't hate, but putting up 70 and getting blown out has got to bite.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Syph on March 25, 2017, 10:49:43 PM
jayhawks
 :tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 26, 2017, 12:49:17 PM
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Despite NBA commissioner Adam Silver’s imploring the league’s owners in a memo last week to become more involved in the decision-making process with regard to resting players, San Antonio Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said such involvement could create “a slippery slope” capable of undermining relationships inside organizations.

“I understand Adam’s concern, and it’s a legitimate concern. We all have it. We all feel badly about [it],” Popovich said Saturday. “I think they used the example of the young man and his dad or whatever. They’ve saved up their money. They want to go see somebody play, and that person’s not there. I get it. If it was me, I’d be miffed myself. But we all have different roles, different jobs, and different goals. We can’t satisfy everybody. But I think that every owner’s gonna be different. I think it’s a slippery slope, and makes it difficult to keep trust, and camaraderie to the degree that I think you have to have to be successful in this league if owners get too involved in what coaches and GMs are doing.”

Just three games into the season, Popovich started to rest players, beginning with San Antonio’s Oct. 29 matchup at home against New Orleans. Since then, Popovich has rested a total of six players for a combined 19 games, including Danny Green, who sat out the club’s 106-98 victory Saturday night over the New York Knicks.

...

Popovich indicated that the trust developed among himself, general manager R.C. Buford and Spurs ownership is what has helped the organization build the culture the rest of the league appears to be trying to replicate.

“I think keeping owners informed about what’s going on is mandatory, and having input is fine,” Popovich said. “But I think there has to be an understanding that coaches and GMs have brains also, and we know who pays the bills. It’s a slippery slope, I think, if owners got too involved in that process. That trust relationship in those three areas is really important in creating a culture and making something that can be long-lasting. I’ve been here over 20 years. I think that says it all. They just let us do our jobs. We keep them informed as we should. And the chips fall where they may. If we’re not successful, I’m sure we’ll be gone just like anybody’s gone if things don’t work out well.”

Popovich expressed confidence, however, that league ownership, the NBA’s various partners, and coaches and general managers around the league can come to some type of agreement that would be palatable for all involved.

“The one comment that I’ve heard that makes a lot of sense, is that if you’re gonna rest somebody, if you can do it at home, then you should. Like, we’re resting Danny Green tonight,” Popovich said. “Danny Green is not LeBron James, but if we rested Kawhi [Leonard], if there’s a way we could do it at home, that seems like a logical thing to me; a reasonable thing that a coach or GM should think about, rather [than] that one time somebody’s gonna watch him play someplace else, if you can do it. Sometimes the schedule dictates differently. But that makes sense to me. So I think there can be areas like that where we come together and try to make everybody happy. But that’s why no basic rule has been written, so to speak. Because you can’t write a rule that covers everything. It’s complicated ... kind of like health care.”
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 26, 2017, 01:08:50 PM
Yeah the rise of this issue is annoying. It's such a short term way to look at the business that getting Lebron or some other superstar to play a meaningless Jan, Feb, game is more important than the increased risk of injury.

They can either shorten the season or learn to deal with it. Or create scheduling holes around big televised games. That's it. But making people play when its not the smart health move ain't gonna be the solution.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 26, 2017, 01:22:27 PM
Yeah, but the regular fan can't afford to go to a Finals game, they need those January games to see LeBron in action, not some meaningless crap in the future. And it's a crime that LeBron sits at all during them or that these players skip the Olympics and stuff, Karl Malone played every game, Wilt Chamberlain played every minute, so these pampered babies have no excuse! They're just being selfish!

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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 26, 2017, 02:21:22 PM
still my favorite NBA promotion of all time:

(http://i.imgur.com/Hlcgv.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 26, 2017, 02:21:34 PM
oh wait i forgot this lol

(http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/donald-sterling-ad-530x530.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Huff on March 26, 2017, 07:43:19 PM
I know all fan bases are guilty of having bandwagon fans that never went there, but this North Carolina bar is full of the most obnoxious dipshits that barely passed high school.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 26, 2017, 09:15:57 PM
https://streamable.com/ixu82

prime Clippers
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 26, 2017, 11:52:27 PM
i've enjoyed the secret vivek's obsession actually being right thing going on with hield

his TS has gone from 50% with the pelicans to 63% despite being basically given a green light to play like he was back at oklahoma :lol

evans as well, 49% to 58%

papagiannis and labissiere randomly turned into decent to good offensive players out of nowhere too

if the team played any defense they might actually win games
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 27, 2017, 02:17:36 AM
The best part of that video is Mike Smith's confident "Yes" to the question of believing in a Clippers meltdown.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 27, 2017, 10:27:13 PM
Cavs have been complete shit in the second half of the season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Syph on March 28, 2017, 02:31:28 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 27, 2017, 10:27:13 PM
Cavs have been complete shit in the second half of the season.
lebron's
menstrual
cramps kicking in again
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 29, 2017, 02:35:43 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19031366/indiana-pacers-agree-deal-bring-back-lance-stephenson

lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 29, 2017, 02:43:27 PM
Cavs are going to get stomped by the Wiz in the playoffs methinks
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Syph on March 29, 2017, 05:29:40 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 29, 2017, 02:43:27 PM
Cavs are going to get stomped by the Wiz in the playoffs methinks
i can dream
i never really disliked lebron or the cavs until this year
the constant whining and bitching has finally gotten to me
guy is basically the GM and Coach yet still complains about his teammates and every little thing
leaders lead
half of san antonio is on medicare yet you don't hear them bitch

go warriors
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on March 29, 2017, 09:49:37 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 26, 2017, 11:52:27 PM
his TS has gone from 50% with the pelicans to 63% despite being basically given a green light to play like he was back at oklahoma :lol

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on June 23, 2016, 10:07:49 PM
there's no way his jumper doesn't translate.
:smug

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Gun to my head, Hield is the 3rd best player right now in this draft
:anhuld

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that might actually not be wrong :huh
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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Nola on March 29, 2017, 09:59:16 PM
https://twitter.com/MikeCianciolo/status/847261053624795136
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Syph on March 30, 2017, 01:50:03 AM
be up 20+ against the warriors and lose brehs
 :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 30, 2017, 04:17:20 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19025784/zach-lowe-2017-marc-gasol-all-stars-featuring-nikola-jokic-andre-iguodala-more

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd1Q_B2hTIY

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18843801/zach-lowe-2017-luke-walton-all-stars-nba
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 31, 2017, 02:17:06 PM
Cousins vs Kings tonight. Koufos is sitting out, so it's going to be the rooks guarding him and Davis.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 04, 2017, 10:17:41 PM
Russ has pretty much locked up that triple double average for the season. Pelton's projector is now at 99.99% after his 41st of the season, but I can't imagine them letting him screw it up since they can't fall out of the playoffs. If he plays all of their last five games and gets zero rebounds and zero assists he'd still be at 10.1 rpg and 9.9 apg. He needs three assists over five games to round up at 9.96 apg.

one of the achievements i never figured would be broken simply because of the pace differences
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 04, 2017, 10:51:26 PM
Impressive feat. That being said, he is also going to break the usage rate record by quite a large margin.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Syph on April 04, 2017, 11:29:53 PM
Lance Stephenson brought the fuckery tonight

Hoping for that Pacers Cavs first round matchup
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 04, 2017, 11:55:34 PM
If the Warriors win tonight they only need one more win to break the Bulls 1996-98 three season record of 203. (72-69-62 v. 67-73-65+)

I believe the four year records were the 1985-88 Lakers (62-62-65-62) and 1984-1987 Celtics (62-63-67-59) at 251 wins. The Warriors have already surpassed this at 254.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 05, 2017, 06:28:02 PM
I know its old hat at this point but it seems like a fine time to bring up again that the Thunder would have the top 3 mvp candidates on their squad (If Durant didn't get hurt this year) if they didn't cheap out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on April 05, 2017, 07:39:31 PM
It would have been interesting to see how those individual players and the team would have developed if they all stayed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 05, 2017, 08:13:32 PM
Think I'll watch this Celtics Cavs game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on April 05, 2017, 09:01:46 PM
Lue bringing out that playoff defense early  :heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 05, 2017, 09:12:18 PM
Impressive first half. They just bullied the Celtics.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Syph on April 05, 2017, 11:03:51 PM
welp
i guess the best we can hope for is a first round match up against the pacers to beat them up and then celtics might have a chance...if they play the opposite of the way they did today
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Syph on April 06, 2017, 06:14:45 AM
that is exactly what i was alluding to haha
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on April 07, 2017, 10:06:55 PM
Didn't think I'd say it in my life, but we will probably miss the playoffs due to Waiters' getting hurt.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Syph on April 09, 2017, 07:03:53 PM
Cavs blew a 26 point lead to lose back to back games to ATL

 :kobeyuck :sabu
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 10, 2017, 12:04:42 AM
I can't tell if the problems for them on defense are that they are just that bad on that end,or they just don't try on that end. I mean the team isn't functionally that different than it was last year. But the defense is so bad and uneven this year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Brehvolution on April 10, 2017, 10:49:00 AM
https://twitter.com/mikekorz/status/851214694417403905?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fdeadspin.com%2Fajax%2Finset%2Fiframe%3Fid%3Dtwitter-851214694417403905%26autosize%3D1

 :sabu
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 10, 2017, 01:36:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaKeWCqQ0RQ

Just give the man his dang MVP trophy already.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on April 11, 2017, 06:46:26 PM
Heat playoff chances rest on the Nets, who happen to be resting 4 of their "best" players.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 12, 2017, 01:02:56 AM
If the Wizards beat Miami it'll be the first time since 2011 the East has had four 50 win teams. And only the second time since 1998.

Although technically, in the two lockout seasons there were at minimum four teams with an equivalent winning %.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 12, 2017, 02:56:14 AM
I looked this up the other day: evidently, other than LeBron-lead teams*, since 06-07 there have been a grand total of 4 teams in the East who've finished with 60+ wins. Two of those are big 3 Boston teams -08 & 09- the other two are the 11 Bulls w/ mvp Rose and the 15 Hawks (and that team was fucking trash). The Bulls hit an equivalent win percentage in the 12 lockout season.

By comparison, 12 different teams in the west have 60 win seasons in that same time span. San Antonio alone has like 5 of them along with an equivalent win percentage in 2012.

*for reference, LeBron's teams hit 60 wins in 09, 10, & 13
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 12, 2017, 03:15:03 AM
One year sooner adds the Pistons who played essentially 6.5 guys only (Wallace-Wallace-Prince-Hamilton-Billups with McDyess and Maurice Evans+Delfino off the bench) and won 64 games and put four players on the All-Star team. Kinda like those Hawks did. Although the starting lineup never won Player of the Month like those Hawks did.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on April 12, 2017, 11:33:43 PM
Good job, good effort :tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 13, 2017, 08:55:11 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/JFrXUTQ.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 13, 2017, 09:00:49 AM
Rando thoughts.

I was really surprised at the Pistons season this year. After playing the Cavs so well in the playoffs last year, I thought they were ready to make a jump.

I was also surprised the Timberwolves only improved 2 games with Thibs. I know the western conference is insanely tough but still.

The Cavs felt like the Clippers all year which is not a good place to be.

Was happy to see the Greek Freak make the leap.

Looks like a relatively easy title year for the Warriors.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 13, 2017, 10:29:18 AM
Still think they should go back to Bo3 or Bo5 for the first round.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: benjipwns on April 13, 2017, 04:18:00 PM
Quote
Sources familiar with the situation told ESPN that the Knicks and Jackson quietly picked up their option on the remaining two years of his contract this spring.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 15, 2017, 09:19:46 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19160908/frustrated-kristaps-porzingis-skips-exit-meetings-new-york-knicks-management

Phil's reign is starting to get ugly.

 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: Beezy on April 15, 2017, 11:03:27 AM
What do you mean "starting"?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: etiolate on April 15, 2017, 07:06:03 PM
https://twitter.com/KIRO7Seattle/status/853379367375863809

Terrible news.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: FStop7 on April 16, 2017, 05:12:55 PM
Zaza is the worst garbaggio.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 18, 2017, 11:19:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eucs7qdFLJA
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: etiolate on April 18, 2017, 10:32:34 PM
Celtics thinkpieces INCOMING
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: benjipwns on April 18, 2017, 10:38:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frcn3RH2250

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: benjipwns on April 19, 2017, 12:03:22 AM
Quote
J.A. Adande
@jadande


This looks like one of those games the Clippers will win, but not by as many points as they should
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: bluemax on April 19, 2017, 01:00:34 AM
Up 6 under 2 to go and Jordan has 5 fouls. Yeah this feels like prime Clippers.

Edit: And then Blake hits a 3.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: team filler on April 19, 2017, 09:23:01 PM
Quilt Chamberlain(http://i.imgur.com/MZGW26a.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: FStop7 on April 19, 2017, 11:03:36 PM
Did Russ join Aerosmith?


Warriors really putting on a show.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: FStop7 on April 19, 2017, 11:17:33 PM
I'd die happy seeing Russ running the Lake Show but they love him so much in OKC and he seems very attached to the city.  It would take so much to pull him away.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 20, 2017, 01:07:04 AM
Quote from: Jack Remington on April 19, 2017, 11:08:11 PM
Westbrook needs to come home next season. On a team like the Lakers, he could really be that missing piece.
if you thought he wasn't getting any help in okc...

https://youtu.be/DhB3yKUkpvw

Yo, Harden had 35 on 7 made shots? :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: bluemax on April 20, 2017, 04:52:45 PM
https://streamable.com/08s6v

But he's got no one to pass to.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 20, 2017, 08:49:30 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on April 20, 2017, 01:07:04 AM

https://youtu.be/DhB3yKUkpvw

(http://i.imgur.com/vwzRVtF.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/vwzRVtF.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/vwzRVtF.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/vwzRVtF.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/vwzRVtF.png)(http://i.imgur.com/vwzRVtF.png)(http://i.imgur.com/vwzRVtF.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2017, 09:34:34 PM
Turned into a big game after looking like a nasty blowout early.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: El Babua on April 20, 2017, 09:49:06 PM
lol Pacers
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2017, 09:49:58 PM
Great game for Lebron but his free throw shooting has been in the toilet this year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2017, 10:04:25 PM
Kawhi gets nastier everytime I see him.

https://streamable.com/7y0uw
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 20, 2017, 10:54:53 PM
Lebron is the goat
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: etiolate on April 20, 2017, 11:00:49 PM
The Bucks look like the dominant team in their series. Is Lowry actually healthy now or not?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: Syph on April 21, 2017, 03:23:15 AM
so much for the pacers roughing up the cavs before the next round
and don't get me started on the embarrassment that is toronto
inb4 drake shows up at the next cavs game

it's k though warriors will win it all in the end

shout out to giannis though what a beast
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 21, 2017, 12:29:29 PM
Quote
Marc J. Spears‏Verified account
@MarcJSpearsESPN

The Bulls say guard Rajon Rondo has a right thumb fracture. Surgery is not required for this injury, and he is out indefinitely.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 21, 2017, 01:15:04 PM
this kills the bulls
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: El Babua on April 21, 2017, 03:48:18 PM
The way the rest of these teams are playing other than Milwaukee and because of Chicago's unfortunate turn, the Cavs might just have an easier time this year stomping out the east than the last.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: etiolate on April 21, 2017, 03:54:58 PM
eh the Wizards can still give them a rough time*

*depending on how much Lebron wants to Lebron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 22, 2017, 12:09:37 AM
Harden had a big game there but I think he should have drove on that last play. He's a foul magnet.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 22, 2017, 01:08:41 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 22, 2017, 12:09:37 AM
Harden had a big game there but I think he should have drove on that last play. He's a foul magnet.
There's no way Harden gets a foul call in the last 5 seconds of a game in OKC.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 22, 2017, 10:41:22 AM
Quote
LA Clippers star forward Blake Griffin will miss the remainder of the postseason because of a toe injury, the team announced Saturday.

Griffin suffered an injury to the plantar plate of his right big toe in Friday night's playoff victory over the Utah Jazz, according to the Clippers. The All-Star forward will visit a foot and ankle specialist when the team returns to Los Angeles.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: El Babua on April 22, 2017, 01:08:26 PM
Warriors get lucky again :smug
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 22, 2017, 01:11:08 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 22, 2017, 10:41:22 AM
Quote
LA Clippers star forward Blake Griffin will miss the remainder of the postseason because of a toe injury, the team announced Saturday.

Griffin suffered an injury to the plantar plate of his right big toe in Friday night's playoff victory over the Utah Jazz, according to the Clippers. The All-Star forward will visit a foot and ankle specialist when the team returns to Los Angeles.

Damn...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: etiolate on April 22, 2017, 04:10:20 PM
Spencer Hawes keeps me from cheering for the Bucks as an underdog.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: FStop7 on April 22, 2017, 05:44:31 PM
Lots of empty seats in Atlanta and they're talking re-signing Millsap for $200 million?  Hokay.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 22, 2017, 10:32:33 PM
Leonard down the stretch here.

 :mynicca
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 22, 2017, 10:37:03 PM
Are you kidding me.

Damn Kawhi
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 22, 2017, 11:01:14 PM
You missed a hell of a game if you check this thread tomorrow and didn't catch this one.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Instant Classic. God-Conley defeats God-Kawhi)
Post by: FStop7 on April 23, 2017, 12:39:12 AM
Oh, so the Warriors have decided to start playing basketball.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Instant Classic. God-Conley defeats God-Kawhi)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 23, 2017, 12:44:49 AM
Really pissed I missed this Spurs Griz game
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Instant Classic. God-Conley defeats God-Kawhi)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 23, 2017, 10:15:27 AM
Well I went to sleep after that and missed what was an apparently entertaining Blazer/Warriors game but yeah, the Grizz and Spurs was the best game of the playoffs so far imo.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Time for the Real Season)
Post by: benjipwns on April 23, 2017, 12:14:15 PM
Quote from: FStop7 on April 22, 2017, 05:44:31 PM
Lots of empty seats in Atlanta and they're talking re-signing Millsap for $200 million?  Hokay.
That's always been Atlanta though. Nique couldn't fill the Omni back in the day except for a couple years. Only six times in the last thirty years have the Hawks been in the top twenty in attendance, they've finished 25th or lower like fifteen times or something insane.

The fact that the same ownership said "hey, we should totally start an NHL team even though nobody comes to the NBA games" and then they all sued each other over Joe Johnson's contract was great.

Despite the god awful attendance I don't think they actually ever lose money. They wound up selling the Hawks for $850 million. The Spirit LLC inherited the team from Ted Turner and basically only had paid for Philips Arena. (edit: $210 million, with some % paid for by the City of Atlanta...apparently it's the third busiest concert venue in the United States so that's where they make the money plus WWE/UFC/etc.)
Quote
On November 1, 2016, the Hawks and the city of Atlanta have reached an financing agreement on renovating Philips Arena, with the city contributing $142.5 million and the Hawks $50 million to the project. With the renovation, the Hawks signed a lease extension lasting through 2046, with a $200 million early termination penalty.

I'm not convinced Atlanta Spirit LLC wasn't an elaborate money laundering operation. Kara explain.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Instant Classic. God-Conley defeats God-Kawhi)
Post by: benjipwns on April 23, 2017, 12:22:58 PM
Quote
However, it is likely that the Omni would have had to be replaced in any event. It had been built using Cor-Ten weathering steel that was intended to seal itself, ensuring it would last for decades. However, the Omni's designers didn't account for Atlanta's humid climate. The Cor-Ten steel never stopped rusting, causing the arena to deteriorate faster than anticipated.
:dead

Quote
By the 1980s, the steel had so badly deteriorated that large holes began appearing. Chain link fences were installed to keep people from crawling through the wall to see events.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 24, 2017, 12:08:57 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/A8yIl7P.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Instant Classic. God-Conley defeats God-Kawhi)
Post by: El Babua on April 24, 2017, 02:37:27 AM
Quote from: Stro on April 23, 2017, 03:37:43 PM
"In situations like that, I've got to get the last shot."

*Airballs last shot*


(http://i2.wp.com/media.giphy.com/media/2XskdWz9y363OIIeLPq/giphy.gif?w=848)

Gatorade chose the worst possible guy for that commercial.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: FStop7 on April 24, 2017, 11:04:20 PM
911?  Yeah I need to report a murder in progress in Portland.

What happened to McGee?  He's turning into a beast.  If this is the new normal for him then damn...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: bluemax on April 25, 2017, 10:54:41 PM
Good night Zombies.

Tonight might be the beginning of the end of the Clippers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 26, 2017, 01:24:18 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/A8yIl7P.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Syph on April 27, 2017, 10:03:22 PM
that 4th quarter raptors collapse was one of the most embarrassing things i've ever witnessed
i started actively cheering against them smfh
cavs in 4 or 5 after that garbage
lowry continues to be a playoff bum
derozan put up points as usual but those turnovers in the 4th were awful
guess we'll have to wait for the conference finals for someone to potentially test the cavs before the finals...

spoiler (click to show/hide)
warriors in 6
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2017, 12:56:24 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19264939/larry-bird-stepping-president-indiana-pacers
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: FStop7 on April 28, 2017, 01:59:30 PM
Can you imagine what's going to happen when Lonzo Ball is in the clutches of guys who don't give a fuck who his daddy is?  Someone like Matt Barnes will eat his soul.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: El Babua on April 28, 2017, 05:03:19 PM
Safe ass prediction: Warriors in 6 every upcoming series

Unless the next round is against the Clippers, then Warriors in 3, then 6/6
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: benjipwns on April 28, 2017, 10:28:06 PM
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=19261380 popp :mynicca
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: FStop7 on April 30, 2017, 01:29:00 PM
Golden State is going to feast on Tuesday. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2017, 02:52:32 PM
Celtics killing it with these 3's.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: FStop7 on May 01, 2017, 06:31:23 PM
These 4PM tipoff times are tearing me apart, Lisa
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: etiolate on May 01, 2017, 07:20:17 PM
So ESPN fired a ton of people and is now hiring Woj & his crew from Yahoo.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 01, 2017, 07:21:36 PM
I mean it sucks but it makes sense. I'm not a fan of Woj but he has a shitload of sources.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 01, 2017, 10:06:03 PM
I know the spurs are old as fuck but the rockets REALLY make them look old as fuck.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Nola on May 01, 2017, 10:28:58 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 01, 2017, 10:06:03 PM
I know the spurs are old as fuck but the rockets REALLY make them look old as fuck.

So much so they are making Aldridge look like Duncan...41 year old Duncan.......If 41 year old Duncan laced up for the first time all season tonight.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
On second thought, Tim Duncan may be an improvement.
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Syph on May 02, 2017, 12:35:04 AM
spurs
 :confused
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Let's Cyber on May 02, 2017, 01:27:43 AM
Cavs-Rockets finals pls

 :mouf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: FStop7 on May 02, 2017, 05:13:18 PM
http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/presents19256296/golden-state-warriors-steph-curry-stopped-only-kevin-durant

Come to the Lakers, Steph.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2017, 07:33:24 PM
I always like articles like that that purport to give you the inside scoop, although I'm always highly skeptical of the narrative and agenda setting within them.

The one consistency about Warriors stories is that Lacob always comes off like a dipshit. That being said he has fostered a great organization there.

 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2017, 10:46:47 PM
Great Celts Wizards game here. How stupid do the kings and the suns feel for giving up thomas...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2017, 10:58:59 PM
Fucking nuts performance. One of the all time great performances here including the OT.


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2GhsHAWEAAxYmd.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Isaiah Thomas goes SuperNova)
Post by: FStop7 on May 02, 2017, 11:26:49 PM
Fuck the Wiz and their bitchery.  They played Atlanta MMA style for the whole series, they knocked out IT's tooth in game 1, they knocked him down again today and they throw a fucking hissy fit when IT gave them back some of their own medicine.  I hate that shit.  Don't play rough if you can't take it in turn, pussies.  I have the Wiz to win in 7 in my bracket but I'd just as soon see them lose in 4.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Isaiah Thomas goes SuperNova)
Post by: bluemax on May 03, 2017, 12:37:41 AM
Isiah Thomas making my home town proud.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Isaiah Thomas goes SuperNova)
Post by: Syph on May 03, 2017, 12:38:44 AM
"OT is like another 4th quarter right? Ok, I got this"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Isaiah Thomas goes SuperNova)
Post by: FStop7 on May 04, 2017, 12:24:09 AM
Worried that Tony Parker injury is ACL.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Isaiah Thomas goes SuperNova)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 04, 2017, 01:07:27 AM
Quote from: FStop7 on May 04, 2017, 12:24:09 AM
Worried that Tony Parker injury is ACL.
it looked bad, he might be done. which is terrible for san antonio, as if their backcourt wasn't thin enough
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: etiolate on May 04, 2017, 12:21:37 PM
Yeah surgery for Parker. He's out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 04, 2017, 01:03:34 PM
Can the Rockets beat the Warriors?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 04, 2017, 01:22:11 PM
they have the best shot out of anyone remaining in the playoffs other than Cleveland

spoiler (click to show/hide)
but no
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Syph on May 04, 2017, 03:20:15 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 04, 2017, 01:03:34 PM
Can the Rockets beat the Warriors?
Nah. Could take 6 games for the Warriors but I don't see them losing the series.
The wild card is the physicality, but I have faith that Draymond could rally the troops if needed
spoiler (click to show/hide)
and get suspended for the finals
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2017, 06:53:14 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 04, 2017, 01:03:34 PM
Can the Rockets beat the Warriors?

 :gurl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Syph on May 04, 2017, 07:44:39 PM
Lonzo Ball shoes are $500
With Lavar's mens league stats in the description

 :sabu
 :sabu
 :sabu
 :sabu
 :sabu :sabu :sabu
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2017, 07:53:44 PM
The Parker injury won't hurt the Spurs that much even though he's been doing pretty well these playoffs he's still not a big of part of their offense as he used to be. Popp will slide Patty Mills up and dust off some guy you've never seen before or thought left the league five years ago off to play five minutes a night. Shame Gasol aged ten years over one season.

He'll probably be spending more time with his Boris Diaw 2.0 project than he'd like to be right now though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2017, 01:49:11 PM
https://streamable.com/bndy8


 :whoo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 07, 2017, 08:27:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI5R52U2QzM
:tocry

Terry Foster used to write for the Detroit News, covered the Bad Boys, and was one of the first black sportswriters in the city. He's co-hosted my favorite sports radio show, Valenti & Foster, for over a decade and it's one of the most popular sports radio shows in the country. Sad to see him go but health and family>>>>

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2017, 12:38:23 PM
Quote
The Rockets just announced that Nene is lost for the rest of the postseason with a left adductor tear
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2017, 03:14:08 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19338242/kelly-olynyk-boston-celtics-dirty-player

Not that I disagree but Draymond...
 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Let's Cyber on May 08, 2017, 03:23:34 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2017, 03:14:08 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19338242/kelly-olynyk-boston-celtics-dirty-player

Not that I disagree but Draymond...
Quote
"I haven't kicked anybody," Green told ESPN. "You kick somebody with your foot, not your shin. I don't know who taught them how to kick if they're kicking with their shin. You kick with your foot.

...

So, I wouldn't necessarily say I kicked somebody."
:cmonson
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2017, 08:51:41 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19338500/draymond-green-wishes-cleveland-cavaliers-opponents-more-competitive

He was full of dumb shit today. I mean we get it. Your team is almost certainly going to win the title this year. Doesn't mean you have to just talk stupid all day for quotes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Syph on May 08, 2017, 10:05:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSmhA4OHEp4
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: FStop7 on May 09, 2017, 02:53:41 PM
Area 21 is trash.  5 guys go on national TV to gossip about their former teammate when he's not there to respond.  Corny shit even by TNT standards.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: etiolate on May 09, 2017, 09:11:02 PM
Manu just dunked on someone in the playoffs in the year 2017.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 09, 2017, 10:26:17 PM
Manu
:whoo

what year is it
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 09, 2017, 10:53:55 PM
MANUUUUUUUUUUUU
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Syph on May 09, 2017, 10:58:20 PM
 :obama
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 09, 2017, 11:24:54 PM
Fucking manu, gat damn  :lol

Dude's a first ballot hall of famer
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: FStop7 on May 09, 2017, 11:36:33 PM
Stephen A Smith talked so much trash about Manu last summer.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 09, 2017, 11:41:52 PM
well SAS would know trash
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: etiolate on May 10, 2017, 09:53:19 PM
So NBA Playgrounds came out on Steam. It's a re-try at NBA Jam with players from past and present. I go look up the roster, to see if my fav dudes are in there.

And I notice Ian Mahinmi is on the roster.

How

Like J-Will the most NBA Jam player ever is not on the roster, but Mahinmi got a spot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: etiolate on May 11, 2017, 02:56:40 PM
Well cartoonish characters are more fun for arcadey multiplayer games. That's one of the things I liked about Arch Rivals that its gaming descendants lacked.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: etiolate on May 11, 2017, 03:33:15 PM
Oh, no I meant for 3on3. As in, creating your own characters and giving them personality. Playgrounds is just suspect art.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 11, 2017, 04:37:51 PM
Quote from: etiolate on May 10, 2017, 09:53:19 PM
So NBA Playgrounds came out on Steam. It's a re-try at NBA Jam with players from past and present. I go look up the roster, to see if my fav dudes are in there.

And I notice Ian Mahinmi is on the roster.

How

Like J-Will the most NBA Jam player ever is not on the roster, but Mahinmi got a spot.
Retired players are licensed differently from current players. You license current players you get them all, retired players you almost have to license one by one. (The retired players association assists with this (so you can more easily license say the old Russell Celtics without having to deal with estates, etc.) but more recent NBA players because they don't rely on it because they're millionaires tend to not get involved in it.)

This is why for example when 2K put the 2002 Kings in the game, they didn't have Chris Webber. And a couple years back Scottie Pippen held out for more money (taking him off like half the classic teams in the game) before fan pressure got him to re-sign and he claimed it was just an oversight.

The coaches situation is even more amusing to me, in that they had George Karl on the Kings bench while the 1996 Sonics were coached by some generic black dude because nobody had thought about the licensing for the old coaches. They also licensed Mike Dunleavy as a classic player, but not a coach. So on.

The best old story was EA paid out a huge amount of money back in 1999 to get Michael Jordan in their games (he never had signed with the union's licensing) for some five years or something and then two years later he unretired to play for the Wizards and signed with the union, so all their competitors got to use him in any capacity in their games for a year past the exclusive EA contract running out for "free." :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 11, 2017, 07:04:51 PM
https://twitter.com/MettaWorldPeace/status/862684803866402816
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 11, 2017, 09:26:18 PM
What a recovery and coaching job this series for the spurs.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Beezy on May 11, 2017, 10:32:10 PM
Harden played like complete shit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 11, 2017, 10:32:48 PM
He just didn't want it hard enough.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 11, 2017, 10:37:24 PM
Lol fucking Houston
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Syph on May 11, 2017, 11:36:25 PM
 :sabu
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 11, 2017, 11:42:14 PM
James Soften

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(http://i.imgur.com/e4tOEjt.jpg)
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 11, 2017, 11:44:19 PM
Houston shot 24% on two pointers, they might as well just stuck to chucking up those 30 footers
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: FStop7 on May 12, 2017, 06:06:35 AM
Harden exposed.

I feel for D'Antoni and Beverley but fuck Houston's unwatchable style of basketball.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: bluemax on May 12, 2017, 05:47:02 PM
Gregg Popovich is the GOAT coach.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 12, 2017, 11:05:54 PM
obligatory fuck colin cowherd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff-Time)
Post by: Mandark on May 12, 2017, 11:14:16 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 12, 2017, 11:05:54 PM
obligatory fuck colin cowherd
Liked, then unliked so I could like it again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Celtics-Wizards Game 7)
Post by: Syph on May 13, 2017, 03:57:25 AM
dont have a favorite in celtics wizards but dat john wall 3  :obama
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Celtics-Wizards Game 7)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 13, 2017, 12:59:15 PM
John Wall is just a beast, fucking love him.  Fuck cowherd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Celtics-Wizards Game 7)
Post by: FStop7 on May 14, 2017, 04:31:18 PM
People were starting to mock the Warriors and say it's over.  They're way tpp dangerous for that, come on.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Celtics-Wizards Game 7)
Post by: FStop7 on May 14, 2017, 05:21:29 PM
Before the Malice at the Palace a move like that by Zaza would have cleared the bench.  That man needs an ass beating.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Celtics-Wizards Game 7)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2017, 06:08:25 PM
That was cruel to watch
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Celtics-Wizards Game 7)
Post by: El Babua on May 14, 2017, 06:32:04 PM
Damn, poor Kawhi.

This does solidify the Warriors the biggest heels to ever play in the NBA IMO
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Celtics-Wizards Game 7)
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 15, 2017, 12:50:40 PM
Quote from: FStop7 on May 14, 2017, 04:31:18 PM
People were starting to mock the Warriors and say it's over.  They're way tpp dangerous for that, come on.


It was the power of Mike Brown's halftime speech.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Celtics-Wizards Game 7)
Post by: etiolate on May 15, 2017, 01:52:40 PM
Watched the replay of the Kawhi injury and that extra step by Zaza looks rather dirty.

The karma being that he stole that move from Bruce Bowen.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Celtics-Wizards Game 7)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 15, 2017, 05:03:10 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/6bbw72/pop_going_off_on_zaza/?ref=share&ref_source=link (https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/6bbw72/pop_going_off_on_zaza/?ref=share&ref_source=link)

fuck zaza
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Celtics-Wizards Game 7)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 16, 2017, 12:45:19 AM
welp, Cavs probably sweep the conference finals too

I thought the Wiz could've gotten at least a game off of em
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Celtics-Wizards Game 7)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 16, 2017, 02:35:44 AM
Cavs in 6;

Warriors in 5
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 16, 2017, 08:48:06 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C__TjzLVoAAPBDA.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: etiolate on May 16, 2017, 08:54:35 PM
I guess the Kings pick moved to three, ahead of Philly, so they got swapped back to five. So Vlade's trade cost them someone like Josh Jackson.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 18, 2017, 11:52:36 AM
Saw this on r/nba:

Quote
Being the 14th season isn't even the correct way to look at this. Neither is the fact that he's 32 years old.

The amazing thing about LeBron is the mileage he has accumulated.
His total minutes played is currently at 50,038. For comparison, Shaq retired with 50,016 played. Paul Pierce is retiring now with 52,111 played.

Michael Jordan retired with "only" 48,485 minutes played, so LeBron already has a full season more than Jordan on the odometer. Bill Russel retired with 48,223 minutes played.
Dwyane Wade is currently only at 38,904 minutes played and Melo is at 37,913.

LeBron has played the equivalent of 3.7 regular seasons more than Dwyane Wade who is in his same draft class.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2017, 12:07:09 PM
Part of it is of course luck with no major injuries but part of it is how well he has taken care of his body.

Most of the people mentioned as comparison did not take care of themselves in the same way. Especially Shaq who was always out of shape for long stretches after his early days.

Lebron has changed his game in smart ways. And the emphasis on 3 point shooting and spreading the floor and small ball in the league has helped him with his driving and the fact that he has essentially the body of a power forward and plays bully ball with the smaller people now on the floor. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 18, 2017, 12:37:01 PM
Have your center guard LeBron James, brehs....

Cavs in 5...but I think they can sweep if they play as focused as they were last night.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2017, 05:23:27 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAILfEyUQAAWL-q.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 18, 2017, 05:30:36 PM
that...actually seems about right?

other than the actual point distribution (who the fuck voted Westbrook second team and Kawhi third team?), just going off the teams themselves it looks pretty good, although Jordan over Gasol is probably wrong, and Paul outside the top 6 guards in the league also doesn't sound right

crazy close between AD and Gobert though
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2017, 05:33:23 PM
DeRozan over Paul is obvious one, but the voters always do representation votes, so Toronto "needed" somebody.
Quote from: ToxicAdam on May 18, 2017, 11:52:36 AM
Saw this on r/nba:

Quote
Being the 14th season isn't even the correct way to look at this. Neither is the fact that he's 32 years old.

The amazing thing about LeBron is the mileage he has accumulated.
His total minutes played is currently at 50,038. For comparison, Shaq retired with 50,016 played. Paul Pierce is retiring now with 52,111 played.

Michael Jordan retired with "only" 48,485 minutes played, so LeBron already has a full season more than Jordan on the odometer. Bill Russel retired with 48,223 minutes played.
Dwyane Wade is currently only at 38,904 minutes played and Melo is at 37,913.

LeBron has played the equivalent of 3.7 regular seasons more than Dwyane Wade who is in his same draft class.
similarly Kobe retired at 37, but had played 57,278 minutes in the NBA (roughly the same as Kareem's regular season minutes), plus played in all those Olympics
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: benjipwns on May 19, 2017, 03:31:32 AM
financial impact on max deal, he lost $30 million:
(http://d2s3dt9f4iyeup.cloudfront.net/images/standard_v1/6d1ccfb6-fc8d-4664-bc5b-cdfb0c9cd616.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on May 19, 2017, 04:50:58 AM
mmmm Cavs will sweep. We got the #1 pick while in the ECF though, praise be. See you in (insert year where Lebron's body stops working here)!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: benjipwns on May 19, 2017, 06:57:25 AM
Hey, Bender was pretty good during those 20 or so games in 2003-ish where he realized he was seven foot tall yet had guard qualities before getting injured again. It almost made you forget you maybe traded a title for him!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: etiolate on May 19, 2017, 07:23:08 PM
Cousins not being on the all-nba team is a joke, but what's new.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 19, 2017, 09:19:26 PM
Cavs just crushing here. Making the Celtics look like they aren't even close
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Conference Finals)
Post by: FStop7 on May 19, 2017, 09:44:53 PM
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/cut.gif)

Ernuh, that's a wrap. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors-Why Pretend anything else?)
Post by: FStop7 on May 21, 2017, 09:58:47 PM
Nobody is booing Olynyk because he's good, Chris Webber.  ::)

Webber and Reggie aren't very good at color commentary.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors-Why Pretend anything else?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 21, 2017, 10:16:16 PM
Aw, I think Webber is really good.  Reggie is garbage though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors-Why Pretend anything else?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 21, 2017, 10:23:33 PM
Not shocked Boston climbed back into this game.  Lebron has been off tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors-Why Pretend anything else?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 21, 2017, 11:02:49 PM
lol cavs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors-Why Pretend anything else?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2017, 11:05:57 PM
Nice win for the celts. They showed some of those defensive liabilities the cavs have.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors-Why Pretend anything else?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 21, 2017, 11:07:05 PM
jack/shinobi is jerkin' it somewhere
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors-Why Pretend anything else?)
Post by: T-Short on May 22, 2017, 05:11:50 AM
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18557040_10154320739182084_3832589811293914993_n.jpg?oh=88987950e16d900db6a59d3f370544fa&oe=59BC475E)

(http://www.capitaltrachea.se/misc/sweden.gif) (http://www.capitaltrachea.se/misc/sweden.gif) (http://www.capitaltrachea.se/misc/sweden.gif) (http://www.capitaltrachea.se/misc/sweden.gif) (http://www.capitaltrachea.se/misc/sweden.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors-Why Pretend anything else?)
Post by: etiolate on May 22, 2017, 04:15:24 PM
https://twitter.com/FredKatz/status/866739199566905344
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors-Why Pretend anything else?)
Post by: FStop7 on May 23, 2017, 08:59:57 PM
Cav imploding.  You can tell how bad it is by how far Lue's mouth is hanging open.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors-Why Pretend anything else?)
Post by: Let's Cyber on May 23, 2017, 09:17:02 PM
LeBron finally decided to get aggressive and drive towards the basket but now he has 4 fouls and it isn't even halftime :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors-Why Pretend anything else?)
Post by: benjipwns on May 23, 2017, 09:17:36 PM
Is LeBron deliberately trying to foul out or something?

Or is this one of those things Jordan and Bird used to do where he's gonna pick up five fouls and then play the rest of the game because it's boring without an extra challenge.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors-Why Pretend anything else?)
Post by: El Babua on May 23, 2017, 09:41:52 PM
Reminds me of the game against Indy in 2014 where the Heat still almost won.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors-Why Pretend anything else?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 23, 2017, 10:25:27 PM
Two sub par playoff games in a row for Lebron. You have to go back to that mavs series for the last time that happened. Kyrie is killing it though. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors-Why Pretend anything else?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 23, 2017, 10:45:42 PM
On reflection sub-par isn't actually a good descriptor. He is playing well especially in the second half. That first half was just kind of garbage.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors-Why Pretend anything else?)
Post by: Let's Cyber on May 23, 2017, 10:46:35 PM
It sure looks like he was just trying to coast and avoid wear and tear in game 3 and he started off this game the same way. He was avoiding the paint like the plague.

He's at 32 pts now tho.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors-Why Pretend anything else?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 23, 2017, 10:47:58 PM
Goddamit Shinobi just say you're shinobi already and admit defeat to Lebron's greatness.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors-Why Pretend anything else?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 23, 2017, 10:50:39 PM
Quote from: Jack Remington on May 23, 2017, 10:48:39 PM
This will go down in history as one of the most tragic losses the NBA has seen.

(https://i.giphy.com/12KKxc48IPgFBS.webp)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors-Why Pretend anything else?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 23, 2017, 10:57:34 PM
Good effort from the Celtics. They had a shot at it which is about the best you could hope for in this situation. They might steal another at home although unless something bizarre happens the series is over.

This series does point up the issues they will have with the warriors though. If playing D's against the 3 onslaught of the motion offense celtics is a problem, the warriors will be a nightmare.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors-Why Pretend anything else?)
Post by: Let's Cyber on May 24, 2017, 01:45:29 AM
https://twitter.com/NBA/status/867212766687494144

 :whoo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors-Why Pretend anything else?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2017, 09:35:07 PM
http://www.ocregister.com/2017/05/24/byron-scott-has-no-regrets-about-how-he-handled-his-time-as-lakers-coach/

TL DR: He feels used by the Lakers.

Byron, We all knew this was the situation, the moment you were hired. How you didn't is beyond me.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors-Why Pretend anything else?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 25, 2017, 10:10:31 PM
Lebron  :salute
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors-Why Pretend anything else?)
Post by: etiolate on May 25, 2017, 10:14:22 PM
why the fuck did TNT show Shaq's toes
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors-Why Pretend anything else?)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 25, 2017, 10:29:02 PM
As expected. On the finals.

I thought the Cavs had no chance last year and they won. So who am I to say anything...

But if I'm going to say something, I think they even have less of a chance this year. It would be an even bigger upset imo because the Warriors play pretty much perfect modern basketball with one of the most talented lineups in the history of the game.

Good Luck Cavs. Hopefully its an entertaining finals because both teams pretty much destroyed everybody else on the way here.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals Cavs vs Warriors. Game 1 - Thursday, June 1 )
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 25, 2017, 10:39:55 PM
Reggie Miller: You have to give credit to James Jones along with Lebron. Both have been to seven straight finals."


Reggie why do you say such pointless stupid shit.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cavs versus Warriors-Why Pretend anything else?)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 25, 2017, 10:43:06 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 25, 2017, 10:29:02 PM
As expected. On the finals.

I thought the Cavs had no chance last year and they won. So who am I to say anything...

But if I'm going to say something, I think they even have less of a chance this year. It would be an even bigger upset imo because the Warriors play pretty much perfect modern basketball with one of the most talented lineups in the history of the game.

Good Luck Cavs. Hopefully its an entertaining finals because both teams pretty much destroyed everybody else on the way here.

Hm, yeah.  I think the Cavs are a better team this year, but the Warriors are just...you can't defend them.  Who fucking guards Durant in the Finals?  Kyrie will be on Klay, Lebron on Green, JR on Steph...who guards Durant?  Love?  lol.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals Cavs vs Warriors. Game 1 - Thursday, June 1 )
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 25, 2017, 10:54:09 PM
Yeah that's the problem and even if it isn't Durant who is going to kill them (and he will) the problem is even when you adjust you are leaving some other killer to do it.

As good as that team was last year there was a gameplan. Make people like Harrison Barnes have to make big contributions. Easier said than done of course but you could at least envision it.

There is no Harrison Barnes this year. It's all a murder's row.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals Cavs vs Warriors. Game 1 - Thursday, June 1 )
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 25, 2017, 11:00:21 PM
I will say – GS's depth isn't as good this year.  If Cleveland's bench can contribute consistently, it will be a good series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals Cavs vs Warriors. Game 1 - Thursday, June 1 )
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 25, 2017, 11:28:05 PM
Jack Remington time to shine
(http://i.imgur.com/ZtP8Pez.png)

I thought the Cavs had a chance last year, since tbh I felt like they could have beaten the Warriors in their first finals matchup if not for Kyrie and Love being out. But this time nah. Even thought I'm sure KG and Curry will shit the bed a couple times.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals Cavs vs Warriors. Game 1 - Thursday, June 1 )
Post by: El Babua on May 26, 2017, 01:31:37 AM
If Klay starts shooting well, Warriors in 4.

Otherwise, Warriors in 6 - barring any injuries or nut shenanigans.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals Cavs vs Warriors. Game 1 - Thursday, June 1 )
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 26, 2017, 01:45:58 AM
Warriors in 6, yeah.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals Cavs vs Warriors. Game 1 - Thursday, June 1 )
Post by: benjipwns on May 26, 2017, 01:58:28 AM
James Jones is LeBron's favorite and most trusted player, that's why he shows up on the bench wherever LeBron travels and will randomly be in the game at crunch time despite not having played prior in the series or season.

One running subplot of the "old timey" dudes on the Cavs I enjoy is how Richard Jefferson basically copied off Popp's cheat sheet and then started ripping off Battier to keep things going career-wise. :rollsafe
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals Cavs vs Warriors. Game 1 - Thursday, June 1 )
Post by: Let's Cyber on May 26, 2017, 03:08:05 AM
Cleveland in 6. LeBron joins the pantheon of basketball gods.

This summer Kobe, LeBron, Duncan and Gandalf board an elven ship to cross the Great Sea and join their fellow Maiar and Hall of Famers in the Undying Lands.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals Cavs vs Warriors. Game 1 - Thursday, June 1 )
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 01, 2017, 05:03:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpBNlmqW2ow
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals Cavs vs Warriors. Game 1 - Thursday, June 1 )
Post by: etiolate on June 01, 2017, 05:54:03 PM
https://twitter.com/SacramentoKings/status/870301417222709248

https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/870388159309242368

Essential Kangz
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals Cavs vs Warriors. Game 1 - Thursday, June 1 )
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 01, 2017, 11:21:34 PM
Went about as expected
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals Cavs vs Warriors. Game 1 - Thursday, June 1 )
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 01, 2017, 11:25:35 PM
I Still Believe

Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals Cavs vs Warriors. Game 1 - Thursday, June 1 )
Post by: FStop7 on June 01, 2017, 11:28:21 PM
Cleveland's rebounding and turnovers  :hhh

Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals Cavs vs Warriors. Game 1 - Thursday, June 1 )
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 01, 2017, 11:29:29 PM
Matt Barnes being on a championship contender will never not be weird as fuck to me no matter how many times it happens
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals Cavs vs Warriors. Game 1 - Thursday, June 1 )
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 01, 2017, 11:30:53 PM
lmao oops
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals Cavs vs Warriors. Game 1 - Thursday, June 1 )
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 01, 2017, 11:40:41 PM
Cavs got iced, need some serious adjustments. They managed to course correct last year, this time they have to account for Durant.

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals Cavs vs Warriors. Game 1 - Thursday, June 1 )
Post by: Steve Contra on June 02, 2017, 01:30:48 PM
Draymond and Klay could have scoreless and the dubs would have still won. Dubs in 4 :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals Cavs vs Warriors. Game 1 - Thursday, June 1 )
Post by: benjipwns on June 02, 2017, 02:32:18 PM
ESPN is pushing this story so hard:
Quote
All-Star point guard Chris Paul intends to give the San Antonio Spurs serious consideration in free agency this summer in the event he decides to leave the LA Clippers, according to league sources.

Sources told ESPN that Paul, for all of his undeniable fondness for Los Angeles, is intrigued by the idea of teaming up with the likes of Spurs coach Gregg Popovich and MVP top-three finalist Kawhi Leonard in his quest to achieve the deep playoff success that has eluded Paul to this point in his career.
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The Spurs, sources say, are increasingly considered a lock to at least secure a face-to-face meeting with Paul when free agency begins July 1, despite the fact San Antonio would almost certainly have to sacrifice considerable roster depth to make him a representative contract offer.

As daunting as some of the moves are that San Antonio would have to consider to create the requisite salary-cap space to aggressively pursue Paul, one source said of the Spurs' interest in the veteran floor leader: "They love him."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals Cavs vs Warriors. Game 2 - Sunday, June 4 )
Post by: FStop7 on June 04, 2017, 04:59:24 PM
Fuck Derek Fisher

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19533897/former-los-angeles-lakers-player-derek-fisher-accused-dui-crash
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals Cavs vs Warriors. Game 2 - Sunday, June 4 )
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 04, 2017, 05:29:15 PM
Quote from: FStop7 on June 04, 2017, 04:59:24 PM
Fuck Derek Fisher

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19533897/former-los-angeles-lakers-player-derek-fisher-accused-dui-crash

Matt Barnes wins again
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals Cavs vs Warriors. Game 2 - Sunday, June 4 )
Post by: FStop7 on June 04, 2017, 08:24:29 PM
lebron's free throw shooting is driving me nuts.  He's #1 in attempts in the playoffs and still only hitting around 70%.  He was ar 67% during the season.  That's costing them wins.  You can't be the GOAT if you're not hitting your free throws.

GOD the Cavs' bench sucks.  Chumpert go back to riding your wife's fame.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals Cavs vs Warriors. Game 2 - Sunday, June 4 )
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 04, 2017, 09:45:15 PM
sigh cavs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals Cavs vs Warriors. Game 2 - Sunday, June 4 )
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 05, 2017, 11:22:12 AM
I just want the Cavs to win 1 so there is SOME drama in these playoffs. Even if it will be short-lived.

Plus, it will be embarrassing to get swept. Even though they are superior team, you still can't get swept.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals Cavs vs Warriors. Game 2 - Sunday, June 4 )
Post by: Brehvolution on June 05, 2017, 12:27:13 PM
I'm not sure about that. GS got embarrassed last year and Lebron rubbed it in in the off season. GS wants to humiliate the Cavs this time and they already have a foot on their neck.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals Cavs vs Warriors. Game 2 - Sunday, June 4 )
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 05, 2017, 12:48:45 PM
Cavs in 6
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals Cavs vs Warriors. Game 3 - Wednesday, June 7 )
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2017, 01:06:15 PM
Even if the Cavs play a near perfect game, they have so little chance. They are playing a historic team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals Cavs vs Warriors. Game 3 - Wednesday, June 7 )
Post by: Let's Cyber on June 05, 2017, 10:42:49 PM
Game 1 felt like a bit of a fluke with all of the Cavs turnovers and TT completely disappearing. If you a Cavs fan, game 2 was a lot more worrying. LeBron played well, they got Love involved and still got blown out. Plus Klay Thompson woke up. Durant and Curry are both playing like MVPs (lol at picking Finals MVP if the Warriors win the series).

Momentum eventually flipped and betrayed both the Durant with the Thunder in the Western Conference Finals and Curry with the Warriors in the Finals last year so I'm holding on hope until Wednesday night. Cavs bench should play and shoot better at home.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals Cavs vs Warriors. Game 1 - Thursday, June 1 )
Post by: bluemax on June 05, 2017, 11:30:47 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 02, 2017, 02:32:18 PM
ESPN is pushing this story so hard:
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All-Star point guard Chris Paul intends to give the San Antonio Spurs serious consideration in free agency this summer in the event he decides to leave the LA Clippers, according to league sources.

Sources told ESPN that Paul, for all of his undeniable fondness for Los Angeles, is intrigued by the idea of teaming up with the likes of Spurs coach Gregg Popovich and MVP top-three finalist Kawhi Leonard in his quest to achieve the deep playoff success that has eluded Paul to this point in his career.
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The Spurs, sources say, are increasingly considered a lock to at least secure a face-to-face meeting with Paul when free agency begins July 1, despite the fact San Antonio would almost certainly have to sacrifice considerable roster depth to make him a representative contract offer.

As daunting as some of the moves are that San Antonio would have to consider to create the requisite salary-cap space to aggressively pursue Paul, one source said of the Spurs' interest in the veteran floor leader: "They love him."

It's gonna be hilarious when he bolts, Blake gets hurt next year and DeAndre gets his wish of being the focal point of a team.

Their insistence on holding on to Jamal Crawford and not finding a better roster fit at SF really hurt the Clippers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals Cavs vs Warriors. Game 3 - Wednesday, June 7 )
Post by: Brehvolution on June 07, 2017, 03:30:14 PM
http://deadspin.com/reports-cavaliers-locker-room-smelled-of-weed-after-ga-1795854364

:pimp
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals Cavs vs Warriors. Game 3 - Wednesday, June 7 )
Post by: FStop7 on June 07, 2017, 09:22:15 PM
Cavs can't sustain this pace vs GSW.  They'll gas out first.

I don't get why JR wrapped up Steph for that free foul.  Just give him the basket, it's better than risking foul trouble.

oh welp lebron concussed see ya
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals Cavs vs Warriors. Game 3 - Wednesday, June 7 )
Post by: Mandark on June 07, 2017, 10:25:34 PM
They shouldn't let LeBron ever sit. Just hook up Iman Shumpert as a blood bag, Fury Road style.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals Cavs vs Warriors. Game 3 - Wednesday, June 7 )
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 07, 2017, 11:25:21 PM
Lebron is so goddamn good.  Love needs to step up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Finals Cavs vs Warriors. Game 3 - Wednesday, June 7 )
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 07, 2017, 11:56:35 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2017, 01:06:15 PM
Even if the Cavs play a near perfect game, they have so little chance. They are playing a historic team.

I mean it was obvious coming into the series. Unless the Warriors suffer a major injury its hard to not see them winning title after title. The addition of Durant just broke the league essentially.

Not that there is anything wrong with that. Miami did it for a few years themselves with Lebron.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on June 08, 2017, 12:25:27 AM
Kind of a boring Finals
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: El Babua on June 08, 2017, 01:36:44 AM
And gave the corpse of Ilgauskas and Mike Bibby meaningful minutes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Let's Cyber on June 08, 2017, 02:14:16 AM
You know what is worse than blowing a 3-1 lead?  :-*
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Blowing a 3-0 lead. Cavs in 7  :gladbron
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Naw it's over.  :shaq2
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: curly on June 08, 2017, 02:17:14 AM
https://twitter.com/tomhaberstroh/status/872664475417141249

Lebron needs help
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 08, 2017, 08:27:38 AM
My "inner old school crank" is glad the Cavs won't win the title given how badly their defense has been all season. Just wouldn't feel right to see them rewarded despite being historically bad (for a Finals team).



Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 08, 2017, 08:53:08 AM
https://twitter.com/OnionSports/status/872615992173744128
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 08, 2017, 08:58:09 AM
When the game is on the line, kick it out to Korver brehs.  ::)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 08, 2017, 06:53:34 PM
Can someone explain to a casual/non-fan why the NBA *isn't* the least competitive, most boring ass sports league given the past however many years?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 08, 2017, 07:16:08 PM
Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on June 08, 2017, 07:09:30 PM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on June 08, 2017, 06:53:34 PM
Can someone explain to a casual/non-fan why the NBA *isn't* the least competitive, most boring ass sports league given the past however many years?

Seven different teams winning the championship in the past ten years makes it uncompetitive?

Bruh don't even. LeBron teams have represented the East the past 7 years, it's been either Spurs or Warriors out of the West the past 5. We here in 2017 and you trying to act like the last time the Lakers won a championship means anything.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2017, 08:59:36 PM
There's more parity in the NFL. MLB and NHL playoffs are known for anything being able to happen in the post season. I think it's because NBA is five guys on the court, it's easier for the best players to influence more directly. Whereas in the NFL...Tom Brady doesn't play defense.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
not that it mattered against Atlanta
:neogaf

GOAT
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 08, 2017, 10:35:10 PM
all the griping over parity this playoffs and, more broadly, the league being broken by durant's decision has always rang hollow to me. we get to watch an historic team play a beautiful brand of basketball, and that's good enough for me

I just wanna watch good basketball :yeshrug
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2017, 10:45:35 PM
side note but...am I wrong in not seeing why ppl trashing Bron for passing to Korver? It was clearly the right play. Dude was wide open, vs Bron taking a shot over two defenders.

Well I "get" why people are hating (hating on LeBron, basically) but from a bball perspective.....he did the right thing...right?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2017, 12:20:00 AM
Boo Hoo. Certain teams are dominant. As with anything if you don't like it, don't watch it.

Basketball is a sport setup for dominant play from great players.

There are things you could do to solve some of this. Getting rid of Bird signing rule. True Hard Caps etc. But then that would create a host of additional issues for people to bitch about. You think people whine when their star player leaves now? Wait until you get rid of bird rights.

If you want to blame anybody, blame our rings culture that creates the pressure on superstars to team up like its the Justice League so they don't have to get shit on all the time about how they can't win the big one!

The Warriors simply fell into an amazing loop hole at the perfect time when the cap exploded and they had an underpaid superstar to take advantage of it.

On the Lebron thing, of course he made the right play. It's simply the media setting up their next narrative they want to push for the upcoming year/5 years. That's the way hot takes work. You need something to mindlessly bullshit spew 24/7 on first take and sports radio.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: bluemax on June 09, 2017, 12:24:44 AM
Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on June 08, 2017, 03:48:16 AM
I just realized that if the Warriors sweep(which is looking like they probably will) they'll be the first team in history to go 16-0.

Also KD to Warriors is very different since the Warriors already had Klay, Draymond Green and probably the best shooter of all time in Steph, plus a good support team all around that went 73-9. They only lost to some historic ass shit LeBron barely pulled off last year at the finals. That team got Durant, having two of the top 3 players in the NBA on one squad with LeBron arguably sandwiched in between them. Sure, the Dubs lost a few role players from last year. but if you're going to get Kevin Durant instead then fuck it, go ahead.

LeBron has Love, who can be turned off, and Irving, who's fantastic but makes dumb mistakes. Who else is worth mentioning? Richard Jefferson is ancient, JR is not worth any sort of contract, and lol Shump.

They paid $7.8mm this year to Channing Frye and he has all of 11 minutes played in the finals.

The Cavs have mostly used 8 guys in the Finals

Kyrie
JR
Lebron
Love
Thompson

And the corpses of Deron Williams/Richard Jefferson/Iman Shumpert

I get that this isn't really being won/lost by the benches but that's not really a trio I feel like can give you minutes vs the Warriors starters.

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2017, 08:59:36 PM
There's more parity in the NFL. MLB and NHL playoffs are known for anything being able to happen in the post season. I think it's because NBA is five guys on the court, it's easier for the best players to influence more directly. Whereas in the NFL...Tom Brady doesn't play defense.
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not that it mattered against Atlanta
:neogaf

GOAT
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I disagree about the MLB thing to a degree. Just like how NBA teams shorten their rotations and use less of their bench the same is kinda generally true about the MLB post season. The Indians last year made the World Series partially by maximizing their top 3 relievers. NBA and MLB seasons are both really long and so the team with the best record at the end is often the one with the best depth/injury luck (as well as top talent) while the post season is about matchups and maximizing usage of your best talent.

The NFL is different because it is a best of 1 and things like West coast teams playing in the morning on the East coast don't happen.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2017, 12:33:07 AM
The thing is honestly I don't blame the Cavs. There was really nothing you could do here this season and just for loyalty sake, I like that they actually stuck with the crew from last year.

There will almost certainly be changes in the off-season for them. Pretty much everybody except Lebron and Kyrie can be dumped or put on the trading block but no matter what overhaul they make, its really hard to see anybody dealing with this Golden State team for the short term future. They are nuts. I mean historically nuts.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2017, 12:38:55 AM
Quote from: Jack Remington on June 09, 2017, 12:31:00 AM
The East has been a complete shitshow almost every year since the early 2000s, minus a brief period from like 08-11, and I guess 04, since the Pacers were actually good that year in addition to Detroit. The West was actually pretty competitive before Durant went to GS. Houston, the Clips or OKC could conceivably have come out of the West in most years. They just didn't.

This year aside, the WC playoffs have been more competitive than you'd think just looking at the list of conference champions.

While the East has been historically weak for awhile now, the Cavs have still been the second best team in the league so at least for the finals it has worked out fine.

The league could of course get rid of dual conference seeding for playoffs and just slot the best 16 teams, in that order and the discussion would dissipate a great degree. Tradition is the only thing stopping them.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2017, 01:27:29 AM
If you were a GM, how would you even go about reforming the Cavs to beat this Warriors team. Shit just seems impossible.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 09, 2017, 02:01:45 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2017, 01:27:29 AM
If you were a GM, how would you even go about reforming the Cavs to beat this Warriors team. Shit just seems impossible.
love for gobert, who says no?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Mandark on June 09, 2017, 02:26:22 AM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on June 08, 2017, 06:53:34 PM
Can someone explain to a casual/non-fan why the NBA *isn't* the least competitive, most boring ass sports league given the past however many years?
'
mlb cause they play baseball
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: El Babua on June 09, 2017, 02:38:18 AM
Silver did mention top 16 seeding being in the cards. Only question for me would be the ranking of division winners and travel/tv logistics for the playoffs.

Otherwise, would make things more interesting even if the final results will be the same for at least a little while.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 09, 2017, 04:39:02 AM
Quote from: Stro on June 08, 2017, 08:47:19 AM
Wait until GSW has to resign all of their guys in the next 2-3 seasons and their cap is going to explode.
It's this offseason. Curry, Durant, Iguodala, Livingston, Pachulia, etc. all are FA's. McCaw, Thompson and Green are the only ones who have played in the Finals and are signed past the Finals.

Curry will get the max, Durant will pull a LeBron and do the 1+1 just under max thing, that puts them at $109 million next year for just Curry, Durant, Green and Thompson (plus Jason Thompson's waived contract). The entire team this year was $102 million.

For comparison, Cleveland will pay LeBron, Love, Irving, Thompson, Smith, Frye, Shumpert and Jefferson $125 million next year. Portland's the sneaky contract team, they will pay Lillard, McCollum, Crabbe, Turner, Myers Leonard, Mo Harkless, Ezeli and Aminu a combined $120 million. And like half the team is signed through 2020. OKC will pay $90 million for Westbrook, Adams, Oladipo and Kanter. Even without Durant's contract their salaries already are logged as third for each of the next two years after Portland and Cleveland.

Cap expected go up to $102 million and luxury tax up to $122 million. Cavaliers are going to get whacked hard on the luxury tax because they'll be a repeat offender. Warriors just missed it in 2015.

edit: should add to be a "repeat offender" that gets hit with the extra penalties (starts at 2.5x each dollar) you have to be over the tax in three of the four prior years, Cavs will be three straight
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 09, 2017, 08:54:45 AM
I can understand being bored during blowouts in game 1 and 2, but game 3 was fucking awesome to watch.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 09, 2017, 09:33:21 AM
Quote from: Mandark on June 09, 2017, 02:26:22 AM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on June 08, 2017, 06:53:34 PM
Can someone explain to a casual/non-fan why the NBA *isn't* the least competitive, most boring ass sports league given the past however many years?
'
mlb cause they play baseball

(https://media.giphy.com/media/y7kvOYLzas6Ag/giphy-downsized-large.gif)

Hunter S. Thompson once remarked that watching baseball was like watching two old Jews argue on a porch.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2017, 04:03:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ypwbI1NtG4
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2017, 04:05:44 PM
Going to a baseball game is fun. Good food. Shooting the shit with friends. Occasionally tuning into the game and enjoying it. It's like a picnic in an arena.

Watching baseball on TV is basically the harshest prison sentence you can give someone.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 09, 2017, 05:20:56 PM
Quote from: Jack Remington on June 09, 2017, 04:45:35 PM
I guess watching two bottom feeder teams, like the Braves and the Mets,

:ufup

I'm a huge baseball fan. And even I hate watching baseball on tv. Fun going to a game, boring on tv.

Watching good NBA teams play each other is fun.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2017, 05:58:11 PM
Baseball is prob one of the best live sports, at the park. Especially if your team has a nice one. But watching it on TV...noooope

Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 09, 2017, 06:19:02 PM
Quote from: Stro on June 09, 2017, 06:12:19 PM
Yes, at the park, drunk in the sun for 3 hours shooting the shit with friends/family is a nice time. But really you can get the same experience in an actual park.

I can't get dippin dots in the park. That's the ice cream of the FUTURE. I need to go to an overpriced ballpark for that, sir.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 09, 2017, 09:23:33 PM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on June 09, 2017, 09:33:21 AM
Quote from: Mandark on June 09, 2017, 02:26:22 AM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on June 08, 2017, 06:53:34 PM
Can someone explain to a casual/non-fan why the NBA *isn't* the least competitive, most boring ass sports league given the past however many years?
'
mlb cause they play baseball

(https://media.giphy.com/media/y7kvOYLzas6Ag/giphy-downsized-large.gif)

Hunter S. Thompson once remarked that watching baseball was like watching two old Jews argue on a porch.
I've been to more than a few interesting seders, but I've fallen asleep at every baseball game I've watched
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 09, 2017, 09:47:56 PM
lol@ these fouls jesus
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 09, 2017, 10:00:01 PM
all i want is for cavs to just win one
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: bluemax on June 09, 2017, 10:51:14 PM
Can the Warriors blow it two years in a row?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 09, 2017, 11:04:20 PM
What the fuck is going on right now
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 09, 2017, 11:05:01 PM
Did they just retroactively transfer Draymond's first tech to Kerr? what the fuck lmao
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: FStop7 on June 09, 2017, 11:05:18 PM
RIGGED!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 09, 2017, 11:07:24 PM
WOW THEY DID WHAT THE FUCK
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 09, 2017, 11:11:14 PM
lol wtf

cavs are losing this game btw
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 09, 2017, 11:22:53 PM
Lol even the commentators are completely baffled by the reffing. ugh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: FStop7 on June 09, 2017, 11:46:09 PM
Draymond getting a triple double in technicals tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Let's Cyber on June 09, 2017, 11:56:22 PM
 :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 10, 2017, 12:02:38 AM
Well that was certainly something else
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 10, 2017, 12:04:22 AM
yay

I got my wish.  now stephen andromedon smith can shut the fuck up about lebron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: El Babua on June 10, 2017, 12:08:13 AM
Your jinx titles have done well the last year Stoney.

Just mentioning them cause I want the Warriors to win.  :maf

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 10, 2017, 12:16:13 AM
I can see Cavs winning the next game, but I do NOT see them winning again at home.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2017, 12:17:29 AM
Good on the Cavs for avoiding the sweep.

It doesn't change anything but I respect the effort.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Let's Cyber on June 10, 2017, 12:30:15 AM
Not getting my hopes up but if the Cavs win game 5  :whew
Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on June 10, 2017, 12:28:58 AM
Unless Durant and the Warriors collectively choke while up 3-1 again, that is.
It's not totally crazy, both Durant and Curry separately choked away 3-1 leads last year after all :teehee
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Let's Cyber on June 10, 2017, 12:36:55 AM
Credit to Durant for showing up, dude has been amazing this series. I would have figured he would be the one to fade, not Curry.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 10, 2017, 12:53:07 AM
Eh if there's a game 6 I think it's gonna be a seven series. Warriors failed their secondary objective of humiliating the Cavs tonight and if he can survive LeBron will be playing for blood on home turf.

If it's the end, I guess that's fine. Warriors deserve it, I just haven't been able to care that much about any game they play in since the stakes are so low for them. I don't know if I'll ever be able to divorce my hatred of Clay Bennet and Howard Shultz from KD though, as talented as he is
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: eleuin on June 10, 2017, 01:11:45 AM
No way warriors get reverse swept

That TT contract is the real albatross
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: FStop7 on June 10, 2017, 03:12:49 AM
Thing is the Cavs didn't look like they were pushing themselves to exhaustion, unlike games 1 and 2.  I still don't believe they can keep this up for 3 more games.  Golden State's gonns adjust and the Cavs have to stay flawless.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 10, 2017, 12:47:35 PM
teamwork makes the dream work
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: El Babua on June 10, 2017, 08:02:19 PM
Also, the last two games really better make you appreciate Lebron.

Dude's just too good and the Cavs simply don't work without him on the floor. Without KD, I'd still give the Warriors a 50/50 chance this series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: FStop7 on June 12, 2017, 10:24:29 PM
Game 5 officiating sponsored by Oracle.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2017, 10:58:47 PM
at this point i only care about the Cavs somehow winning this game and making it six because i need one more game in the daily picker to win extra VC in 2K17 :doge

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:picard
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Huff on June 12, 2017, 11:19:36 PM
this durant guy is pretty good
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 12, 2017, 11:22:01 PM
Game is over.  Warriors are real fucking good. DURANT IS A FUCKING BITCH THOUGH.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2017, 11:24:35 PM
time to start the LeBron to Clippers rumors

though personally i'm going to be anonymous source pushing the LeBron and Paul to Spurs rumors
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 12, 2017, 11:44:43 PM
So, even tho the Cavs took 1 game, does anyone else feel like a healthy Spurs team might be the only thing that would give the Warriors any actual trouble?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 13, 2017, 01:13:50 AM
Quote from: Jack Remington on June 13, 2017, 01:08:24 AM
#CelticsWouldHaveWon

No, they wouldn't have.  Fuck off with this
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: bluemax on June 13, 2017, 01:21:53 AM
Quote from: Jack Remington on June 13, 2017, 01:08:24 AM
#CelticsWouldHaveWon

Maybe the Celtics should have tried not getting blow the fuck out multiple times by the Cavs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 13, 2017, 01:27:08 AM
Remember when the Lakers mattered?  Neither do I.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2017, 01:31:21 AM
Celtics should have signed Bernie
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 14, 2017, 09:17:41 AM
 
Quote from: Jack Remington on June 13, 2017, 01:25:03 AM
realized that the Celtics matched up so much better with the Warriors

:girlaff
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 14, 2017, 09:37:22 AM
Since we're doing hot takes...

The Bron era is over. Unless Durant loses a knee it's safe to say Bron won't win another title.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 14, 2017, 10:08:19 AM
It's too bad Cleveland is overpaying other Rich Paul clients to keep Bron/Paul happy instead of spending that money on things that could actually help them win

:hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 14, 2017, 11:20:37 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 14, 2017, 09:37:22 AM
Since we're doing hot takes...

The Bron era is over. Unless Durant loses a knee it's safe to say Bron won't win another title.

If he stays in cleveland, at least
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 14, 2017, 11:25:06 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 14, 2017, 09:37:22 AM
Since we're doing hot takes...

The Bron era is over. Unless Durant loses a knee it's safe to say Bron won't win another title.

I'd agree with that
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on June 14, 2017, 12:02:30 PM
https://twitter.com/footlocker/status/874970573197148160

priceless
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on June 16, 2017, 05:10:16 PM
https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/875820453805268992


This makes more sense than any draft swap trades that I've heard. Philly wants a PG and Boston gets a wider selection of assets to offer for a star.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: FStop7 on June 16, 2017, 05:52:50 PM
http://www.latimes.com/sports/clippers/la-sp-west-clippers-plaschke-20170614-story.html

"Jerry West's move to the Clippers is another dagger for the Lakers"

Painful to read.  The way the Lakers front office blew West off is not a good look... at all.  I don't have much faith in Magic or Pelinka, to say the least.  This dude's got a statue in front of Staples and the NBA logo is literally his silhouette.  The players respect the hell out of him, he's the one who gave counsel to Kevin Durant when he was making the decision to leave OKC. 

To dismissively wave him off is pretty damn foolish.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 16, 2017, 06:21:33 PM
Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on June 16, 2017, 05:45:09 PM
Sixers desperate to waste another top draft prospect's career before it begins? I believe it.
fultz/Simmons/embiid actually has me kinda excited :lupe
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on June 16, 2017, 07:24:10 PM
Okafor is more likely a piece than either of those two. Horford really hasn't been that great for Boston.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 18, 2017, 12:10:31 AM
Lmao if Boston giving up #1 to Philly for #3 and the 18/19 first round picks works out. :bow Danny Ainge :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 18, 2017, 04:50:54 AM
Celts werent building a team around Fultz. Two-three unprotected first round picks for the next two years are cool with me, plus the plethora of second round picks available
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on June 19, 2017, 08:36:45 PM
Jerry West going to the Clips

David Griffin out in Cleveland

Chris Granger gone from Sac (he was behind keeping the team and the arena, the only two things they got right)





I sense a power play coming involving some of those parties and some players.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: bluemax on June 19, 2017, 10:39:43 PM
Durant opting out to take less money so that Warriors can keep Iguodala.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 20, 2017, 12:36:26 PM
https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/877180741230243840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%23877180741230243840
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 20, 2017, 01:18:04 PM
Imagine interviewing to coach the Knicks and being told you can't run your own offense, you gotta run what Phil wants (triangle). Because, you know, there's only one way to play offense in the NBA.
:snoop
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on June 20, 2017, 01:35:36 PM
Does Phil know that Porzingis is still only 21?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: FStop7 on June 20, 2017, 07:27:01 PM
Lakers moving pieces and setting the stage for bronbron 2018.  But I bet the Clips will make a serious run at him, too. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2017, 07:37:13 PM
Quote
The Los Angeles Lakers are trading D'Angelo Russell and Timofey Mozgov to the Brooklyn Nets for Brook Lopez and the 27th overall pick in Thursday's NBA draft
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 20, 2017, 08:59:16 PM
wtf is going on
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2017, 09:11:04 PM
Quote
The Atlanta Hawks have agreed to center Dwight Howard to the Charlotte Hornets
Quote
Appears to be for Plumlee, Belinelli and second-round pick.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 20, 2017, 09:17:37 PM
https://twitter.com/thekidet/status/877318783014060032

 :ohhh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 20, 2017, 09:21:32 PM
how many women will Dwight impregnate in Charlotte
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on June 20, 2017, 09:26:22 PM
That is a shitty return for Russel.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on June 20, 2017, 10:08:51 PM
https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/877341773290283008

 :ohhh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2017, 11:25:24 PM
Quote
Sources say the Clippers proposed trading DeAndre Jordan for Tyson Chandler and the Suns' No. 4 pick
GM Doc  :derp
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: FStop7 on June 21, 2017, 03:31:22 PM
Cavs players reportedly waving off Jimmy Buckets, warning him that the org is in disarray. 

Gilbert warming up the comic sans.



Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on June 21, 2017, 05:38:31 PM
https://twitter.com/richarddeitsch/status/877636567124377600

Kinda lame imo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on June 21, 2017, 10:27:55 PM
Apparently Phil thinks he can do his mind game shit as a GM with modern players.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: bluemax on June 21, 2017, 10:52:31 PM
https://twitter.com/bball_ref/status/877638531501391872
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2017, 11:08:13 PM
i hate those kind of comparisons, he just hits the numbers, half of the list does much better in one stat or the other or both (to be fair he's also much younger than 85% of the list was)

i love the first name on the list tho
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on June 22, 2017, 12:46:21 AM
https://twitter.com/ringer/status/877746132184477696
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on June 22, 2017, 02:30:48 AM
More spam from me, because I've been listening to draft podcasts:


I am dumbfounded by how clueless people are and I hope the mentality in the press doesn't reflect the mentality of NBA organizations. I hear all this talk of small ball and having someone to defend a Durant or Lebron, because those are the new bigs.

If you are a bad enough team to be drafting in the lottery this year then the prime of your team's window is at a point where those players are irrelevant or close to irrelevant to you from a competitive standpoint. You should look at where the best young talent in previous drafts happen to be and planning for that. Most of the hot young talent are bigs and point guards. You're up shit creek if your best defender is suiting up against Wiggins when Townes is destroying your weak ass bigs.

It's kind of amazing that people think teams so bad that they are lottery bound should be drafting to guard players in their current prime. If you have any sense of planning and goals, that should not be one of your primary notions.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: FStop7 on June 22, 2017, 07:34:40 PM
We all Big Ballers now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on June 22, 2017, 07:45:14 PM
https://twitter.com/KCJHoop/status/878035395782553600
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: eleuin on June 22, 2017, 07:46:53 PM
rubio finally traded huh

oh shit nvm

https://twitter.com/KCJHoop/status/878035498861723654

https://twitter.com/KCJHoop/status/878036501598175232
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on June 22, 2017, 07:55:06 PM
Should assume that Wade is gone as well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 22, 2017, 08:01:06 PM
Quote from: etiolate on June 22, 2017, 07:55:06 PM
Should assume that Wade is gone as well.
Wade picked up his $24 million option a few days ago.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on June 22, 2017, 08:08:14 PM
ouch
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 22, 2017, 08:29:43 PM
lmao @ PJ falling asleep during draft workouts
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on June 23, 2017, 03:28:22 AM
fwiw

I love Fox on the Kings. Best fit for both. De'Aaron is easily one of the most likable guys of this draft. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 23, 2017, 04:56:57 AM
It's 5am and I woke up still disgusted with the Pistons draft.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on June 23, 2017, 07:41:33 PM
The Pistons are going to go into rebuild mode after not having really built anything.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: FStop7 on June 23, 2017, 07:52:14 PM
non-baller dinos thru baby jesus = BC

baby jesus the original big baller thru 6/22/2017 = AD

6/23/17 til 4evah = BBBE

Sounds like both CP3 and Blake are opting out.  They know LA is now too hot for them in the Big Baller Brand Era.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 23, 2017, 09:17:03 PM
It's gotta be the shoes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: bluemax on June 23, 2017, 11:48:15 PM
Is CP3 gonna turn down like $70 million to chase a ring in San Antonio?

I have no idea who would have the room to take on Blake. Plus you gotta wonder if you're getting 2015-2016 playoffs Griffin or injured all the time Blake Griffin.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 24, 2017, 10:07:43 AM
Quote from: bluemax on June 23, 2017, 11:48:15 PM
Is CP3 gonna turn down like $70 million to chase a ring in San Antonio?

I have no idea who would have the room to take on Blake. Plus you gotta wonder if you're getting 2015-2016 playoffs Griffin or injured all the time Blake Griffin.

You really don't lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: El Babua on June 25, 2017, 01:18:47 AM
He does a promo better than 95% of the roster.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 25, 2017, 05:25:10 AM
For fucking real. I'm completely for this shit. If you're gonna be the bad guy, lean into it. Say what you will about Lavar Ball, the dude is very media savvy (circa 2012)

I do hope this shit doesn't blow up in Lonzo's face. He has some insurmountable expectations to live up to (make the Lakers not only not an embarrassing team to root for/watch, but make them actually good) so I wonder if he's gonna be fucked either way.

Sidenote; I never thought I'd come to love Phil Jackson, but it warms my bitter little heart to know that someone in New York actually hates the Knicks more than I do. Fuck the Knicks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on June 26, 2017, 09:10:55 PM
Lavar Ball is the Chappelle skit for Black Trump
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: FStop7 on June 27, 2017, 09:37:15 AM
The GAF salt over Westbrook getting MVP.  :lol The NBA threads are so stacked with Celtics and Rockets homers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on June 28, 2017, 08:53:56 AM
Woj reporting that Phil Jackson is getting fired.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2017, 10:12:09 AM
Quote
Sources told ESPN that Jackson had been upset with Porzingis' actions and was trying to teach him a lesson in professionalism this summer.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 28, 2017, 10:58:05 AM
lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2017, 11:40:10 AM
I still demand proof this wasn't a long con by Phil and Derek Fisher to steal unlimited millions from James Dolan.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 28, 2017, 12:54:24 PM
CP3 to the Rockets
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: FStop7 on June 28, 2017, 01:04:19 PM
I guess the Harden at point experiment is over.

Feel bunmed for Patrick Beverley.  He was the fire in the belly of the Rockets last season.  Now he's basically banished to a Clips team that is probably entering tank mode.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2017, 01:25:47 PM
Quote from: Brian Windhorst
James Harden and Chris Paul have already started recruiting Paul George to the Houston Rockets.
Quote
And, once their trade for Paul is official, Houston will try to acquire All-Star Paul George from the Indiana Pacers, sources told ESPN's Ramona Shelburne.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 28, 2017, 01:29:18 PM
meh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2017, 01:32:57 PM
remember that time DeAndre Jordan was going to sign with the Mavericks to play with Chandler Parsons who had left the Rockets but Paul and Griffin locked him in his house all day until he signed, now he's the last man standing?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
then Parsons bolted Dallas first chance he got too :doge
[close]
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2017, 04:53:32 PM
Quote
The Chicago Cubs were being honored for their epic World Series comeback over the Cleveland Indians, but you wouldn't know it by the way Gilbert became the center of the proceedings.

Trump made a few brief remarks to the Cubs in front of the press corps before he called out the Cavs' owner by name and extended an invitation to the team to join him for a tour of the Oval Office.

"Where's Dan? Where's Dan Gilbert?" Trump said as photographers snapped photos of the Cubs team standing next to the president and the Commissioner's Trophy in the Roosevelt Room. "He's right outside. Grab him. Where's Dan? Dan Gilbert just came in. He's from basketball. He's looking for a good basketball player. Anybody play basketball?"

Gilbert shouted back, "Yeah, we're looking for a couple guys."

As Gilbert made his way to the front of the room, someone cracked the joke, "It's tough for a guy from Cleveland," alluding to the Indians' loss to the Cubs.

"Come here, Dan," Trump said. "Come over here, Dan. Don't be shy. Do you want a good baseball player to play basketball?"

Then the president commented on the Cavs' loss to the Warriors.

"So, Dan owns the Cavaliers and I guess you can't say 'great' season, right?" Trump said. "'Good' season. Last year was a great season, right?"

Once Gilbert joined the group in the front of the room, Trump turned to Cubs skipper Joe Maddon and said, "So, ask him, how is he doing with LeBron (James)?"

James, of course, publicly stumped for Trump's opponent, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, in the battleground state of Ohio.

Gilbert appeared uncomfortable being put on the spot and said simply, "Things are good."
:rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 28, 2017, 05:06:39 PM
fuck him
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on June 28, 2017, 06:37:56 PM
I'm going to enjoy the drama and hijinx of this NBA off-season until its over and we end up with superteams that make the league a waste of time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: bluemax on June 28, 2017, 11:21:14 PM
I think the Clippers will be okay if they keep Blake Griffin.

If he goes then god only knows how bad they become.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on June 29, 2017, 12:15:49 AM
I think the Clips should let Blake go and trade DJ for picks. They're asset cupboard is pretty low and Doc has Jamal Crawford signed into his Big Three career years.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 29, 2017, 12:48:23 PM
Seems like the Kings have a nice core now, no Etoilet? Vlade falling into semi-success or am I misreading things.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on June 29, 2017, 12:52:03 PM
When they traded Cousins, I ditched them.

Never trust that organization to do something right. They've stumbled into good things before and then screwed it up within a year. Their legacy is constantly rebuilding before they even built something. If the Sixers were The Process then the Kings are The Foundation Pit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 29, 2017, 03:42:17 PM
Quote
Melo willing to accept buyout to go to Cavs. Stephen A. Smith reports the latest regarding Carmelo Anthony's ongoing contract negotiations with the Knicks.
:woody
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 29, 2017, 05:16:59 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19758988/zach-lowe-chris-paul-james-harden-running-houston-rockets-nba
Quote
CP3-Harden Rockets coming for Warriors juggernaut
Zach Lowe looks at what went wrong for the Clippers and whether Chris Paul can raise the Rockets' ceiling.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2017, 12:10:12 AM
Mandark, why didn't you tell me Matt Taibbi tried to write an article explaining the NBA Draft: http://www.rollingstone.com/sports/features/taibbi-the-nba-draft-decoded-w489212

And to think how much I pay per month for your services.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: bluemax on June 30, 2017, 03:22:55 AM
Quote from: Stro on June 29, 2017, 10:23:25 PM
CP3/Harden/PG13 doesn't seem like a good fit to me. Although Harden is the issue to me in any combination you have those three together.

CP3/Harden is such a bad combo for compatibility reasons. Like Harden flourished when he got away from a ball dominant guard in Westbrook and now he's back to playing alongside another ball dominant guard. I'm kinda surprised that such an analytical org as the Rockets would do this.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2017, 05:22:33 AM
Quote
Former Cavs GM David Griffin been in touch with the Knicks and will be among the franchise's initial interviews

why not
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Fifstar on June 30, 2017, 08:53:32 AM
Quote from: bluemax on June 30, 2017, 03:22:55 AM
Quote from: Stro on June 29, 2017, 10:23:25 PM
CP3/Harden/PG13 doesn't seem like a good fit to me. Although Harden is the issue to me in any combination you have those three together.

CP3/Harden is such a bad combo for compatibility reasons. Like Harden flourished when he got away from a ball dominant guard in Westbrook and now he's back to playing alongside another ball dominant guard. I'm kinda surprised that such an analytical org as the Rockets would do this.

They're both dominant, but they still have a very different playstyle, no? Seems to me that there was much more overlap in playstyle and abilities Westbrook and Harden than there is between Paul and Harden.

Of course it's still a gamble but unless teams are willing to risk something (and players like Harden are willing to change a bit) they won't stand a chance against the warriors or cavs in the next couple of years anyway.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on June 30, 2017, 12:44:07 PM
Paul and Harden do have different styles, with both styles being ball dominant.

D'Antoni's system is its own style though and I'm not sure how many dominant ball handlers on the court at the same time it can accommodate.  Don't know if one of them will just spot up shoot without the ball or what. Will it be 7 seconds or less or will it be 7 seconds unless Paul has the ball and wants to do called plays.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2017, 02:15:11 PM
Pelicans are going to give Jrue Holiday $170 million over five years.

They realize they have to pay Davis and Boogie right?

And the Gordon Hayward stuff is kinda weird to me. Part of me would sorta rather get say Milsap on three years for cheaper than get Hayward for a max contract. Guess it depends on what team.

Apparently the Nets are considering using one of those poison-pill style max offers on Otto Porter or KCP.

Blake apparently going to talk to Phoenix before the Clips. All the Clippers stories have this constant hinting about something involving Austin Rivers happening last season that I must have missed but did not please the vets.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on June 30, 2017, 03:53:24 PM
I like Holiday and players like Holiday but he has major injury issues. If he had stayed healthy, he'd probably be in Mike Conley range.

Going to be crazy once it hits midnight est. The first contracts are always the overpaid middle tier guys that make everyone do spittakes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on June 30, 2017, 04:39:33 PM
The Chandler Parsons contract is pretty bad. Curious what the Grizz will do about it. It's not just that he's always hurt. I am not sure he's all that good anymore.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on June 30, 2017, 05:05:07 PM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/880889629402124289

https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/880894792321847296

Minny is obviously chasing a FA point guard then.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Mandark on June 30, 2017, 09:00:10 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 30, 2017, 02:15:11 PM
Pelicans are going to give Jrue Holiday $170 million over five years.

They realize they have to pay Davis and Boogie right?
A soft cap, Bird rights, and the Ajinca/Asik contracts basically paint them into that corner.

He's the only PG they'd be able to pay more than ~$11 million so there's no simple way to upgrade if they let him walk. Same dynamic as the Kanter and Tristan Thompson contracts.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on June 30, 2017, 09:52:37 PM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/880965916351229953

Well that changes things.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: bluemax on June 30, 2017, 11:06:48 PM
Blake back to the Clippers for the max. Now they need to get a bunch of wings who can shoot and defend.

So same as every year really.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2017, 11:29:12 PM
Quote
Rockets reach an agreement with Nene on a four year, $15 million contract
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 30, 2017, 11:34:21 PM
Paul George to OKC makes no goddamned sense

edit: reading Lowe's reaction to it, it still doesn't make sense to me.  PG13 is just going to lose in the second round of the playoffs, again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on July 01, 2017, 12:50:22 AM
OKC turned Serge Ibaka into Paul George, so I wouldn't complain.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on July 01, 2017, 01:56:46 AM
I don't see a point in the Clippers keeping it together, but I don't get to enjoy the playoff money that owners do.

Raptors are an interesting blow up potential. New Orleans would be in a great spot if they never did that Asik deal. The two best bigs in the league for any guard to pair with. But they blew money on Asik and a small forward I can't even name right now.

Denver has a lot of cap space and keeps trying to get a big name.

Boston and Ainge looking like a very lonely Scrooge McDuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 01, 2017, 12:43:33 PM
Anyone want Andre Drummond? Anyone...

:tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Let's Cyber on July 01, 2017, 01:09:28 PM
Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on July 01, 2017, 07:02:35 AM
The Timberwolves got Lowry...
:crazy
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on July 01, 2017, 01:17:04 PM
I don't understand Phoenix going after Blake Griffin.

Maybe Boston settles for Drummond? That'd be hilarious.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2017, 01:43:11 AM
Wolves settled for Jeff Teague
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2017, 01:44:08 AM
J.J. Redick headed to Sixers

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Free-agent forward Andre Iguodala has agreed to return to the Warriors on a three-year deal worth $48 million, sources told ESPN. He was also mulling multiyear offers from the Rockets, Spurs and Kings
.
Golden State now has $130M in guaranteed contracts that include the three-year, $48M Andre Iguodala contract and $31.8M projected Kevin Durant salary. If the Warriors fill out their roster with minimum contracts their total salaries will be $137.5M with a luxury tax bill of $40.2M.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on July 02, 2017, 01:21:18 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDvSfpoWsAILD4g.jpg:small)

icee


Looks like the Raptors are retaining their team, but may have to dump a salary.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on July 02, 2017, 05:45:26 PM
I cannot wait until next may when Toronto gets swept in the second round again and pretends to reassess their situation only now they don't have valanciunas or Carroll and have to pay Lowry 30+ million a year until he's 34
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on July 02, 2017, 05:58:52 PM
IMPORTANT NEWS

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on July 02, 2017, 11:03:15 PM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/881708946842689537

Interesting side bit of this off-season is Woj and Bobby Marks switching to ESPN, but Shams is getting a lot of news that used to be Wojbombs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: bluemax on July 03, 2017, 10:33:11 PM
Durant took less money.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on July 04, 2017, 01:16:12 AM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/882105205835411456

wtf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: bluemax on July 04, 2017, 01:21:01 AM
Yeah they've been rumored to be after him for the past few days. They have to dump Lou Williams and or Jamal Crawford to make it work. Probably Lou Williams since he is younger and cheaper.

Clippers dodged the bullet of having an aging diminutive point guard only to put their chips in on two guys who can't stay healthy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 04, 2017, 11:06:50 AM
I guess the Hawks are tanking, but then again so is like 1/2 the league
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Nola on July 04, 2017, 04:09:23 PM
https://twitter.com/ringer/status/882305476247072768
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: eleuin on July 04, 2017, 04:26:40 PM
Seems hayward is going to the celtics, he just didn't want it to leak for some dumb reason
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on July 04, 2017, 04:42:24 PM
We don't really know anything. An ESPN reporter leaked something that wasn't 100%. Press got some egg on their face and will probably react angrily and blame Hayward, etc. Rather than just say they went too fast on something.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on July 04, 2017, 07:53:30 PM
Official now. Player Tribune up. Hayward to Boston.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: El Babua on July 04, 2017, 09:46:25 PM
Oh well.

Now the Heat will have to bring the core back together. Sign Dion, James Johnson, and maybe Rudy Gay. Hope Richardson and Winslow make a leap.

Top 3 in the East baby!  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: bluemax on July 04, 2017, 11:23:34 PM
Galinari to Clippers is happening. And apparently Clips are gonna kick the tires on Derek Rose because Doc Rivers doesn't know what year it is.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on July 05, 2017, 01:08:37 AM
Not that stoked on the hayward trade! I hope i'm wrong as fuck!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on July 05, 2017, 01:18:22 AM
Quote from: bluemax on July 04, 2017, 11:23:34 PM
And apparently Clips are gonna kick the tires on Derek Rose because Doc Rivers doesn't know what year it is.
how many MVP awards CP3 got, that's what i thought

Clips now have proven veteran leader to get the ball to Austin Rivers
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on July 05, 2017, 01:19:31 AM
Well Doc called his son a "Downhill Guard" and I can't think of another guard going downhill quite as hard as Derrick Rose.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on July 05, 2017, 06:50:08 AM
Quote from: Dan Wetzel
So Gordon Hayward was conflicted and wrestling with the decision, yet he managed to own a 2100 word column on it. Legendary deadline writer.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Brehvolution on July 05, 2017, 01:15:33 PM
I hate playing against Hayward in 2K17. Dude never misses. Never.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: eleuin on July 05, 2017, 01:37:10 PM
There were way too many established reporters confirming the 1st leak for there to be no substance to it
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on July 05, 2017, 03:43:58 PM
Warriors sign Nick Young. Even the Dubs GM throws up heat checks and hits them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 05, 2017, 05:12:26 PM
Oh god I want to live in this world where Swaggy P will get a ring, I don't even care anymore
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: El Babua on July 05, 2017, 07:06:04 PM
Basketball God Dion Waiters resigned with the Heat!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on July 05, 2017, 08:25:58 PM
I was hoping Nick Young would go to the Pels because I'd like to see them have the firepower to compete for the playoffs. Instead, they're stuck hoping for results on some second rounders and d-league call ups.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: bluemax on July 05, 2017, 10:35:10 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 05, 2017, 01:18:22 AM
Quote from: bluemax on July 04, 2017, 11:23:34 PM
And apparently Clips are gonna kick the tires on Derek Rose because Doc Rivers doesn't know what year it is.
how many MVP awards CP3 got, that's what i thought

Clips now have proven veteran leader to get the ball to Austin Rivers

He cant get the ball to Austin when he's on injured reserve with Blake and Gallo.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: bluemax on July 07, 2017, 12:37:52 AM
https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/883174604713414660
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on July 07, 2017, 02:16:40 AM
Rudy Gay to the Spurs, Kings replacing him with Vince Carter

Heat getting Kelly Olynyk
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on July 07, 2017, 04:28:41 AM
Vince Carter is twice the age of some Kings players
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on July 07, 2017, 08:04:32 PM
on the one side, no more Marcus Morris and not paying KCP an insane amount, on the other punting with Avery Bradley for a year

(https://i.imgur.com/dxxYKiR.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2017, 12:23:51 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGdkaFZVyGc
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: El Babua on July 08, 2017, 11:10:30 PM
 :lol

https://twitter.com/SonicFox5000/status/883508097477562368
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: El Babua on July 08, 2017, 11:12:08 PM
Oh, and Harden got a 4 year $228 million extension too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on July 09, 2017, 12:24:11 AM
omg rick fox

need a response from Doug Christie asap
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2017, 06:33:15 PM
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Former Cleveland Cavaliers general manager David Griffin has pulled his name out of the New York Knicks' front-office search, a source told The Undefeated's Marc J. Spears.

Griffin turned down the opportunity because he and the Knicks couldn't agree on a role, a source said.

He and the Knicks "just couldn't make it work," a source with knowledge of the talks told ESPN's Dave McMenamin. The issue came down to finding a proper role for Griffin while front-office executive Steve Mills continues to work for the team.

With Griffin having withdrawn from consideration, sources with knowledge of the Knicks thinking said Steve Mills will continue to lead the Knicks' front offices for the foreseeable future, as he has throughout free agency.

Sources told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski that the Knicks and Griffin were at odds over Griffin not having full authority on basketball decisions and over Griffin's preference to bring in his own staff. No formal contract offer was made.
lol knicks
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2017, 06:34:43 PM
Quote from: etiolate on July 09, 2017, 12:24:11 AM
omg rick fox

need a response from Doug Christie's wife asap
fixed for accuracy
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 09, 2017, 08:02:44 PM
There is only one man that could possibly save the Knicks from an eternity of irrelevance.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfiHzgaXIAARQeX.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on July 10, 2017, 01:23:23 AM
De'Aaron Fox is like a John Wall | Mike Conley hybrid.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2017, 09:47:55 AM
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Kentavious Caldwell-Pope has agreed to a one-year, $18 million deal with the Los Angeles Lakers, sources said.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on July 12, 2017, 05:03:57 PM
Rule changes about timeouts to speed up game. Less timeouts at end of games and shorter timeouts.

Trade deadline will be before all-star game.

And season to start Oct 17, meaning more spaced out games?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2017, 01:52:15 PM
Quote
The Knicks and former Kings VP Scott Perry have agreed on a five-year deal for Perry to serve as the Knicks' general manager.
why do they keep giving all these guys five year deals :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on July 14, 2017, 02:11:18 PM
Scott Perry did a fine job with the Kings... for 3 months.

Before that he helped Orlando go nowhere over three years.

So no I wouldn't have given him a five year deal. He will help the Knicks improve media relations. The press is very nice to him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 14, 2017, 02:18:22 PM
If only they had been brave.

(https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/4724aa71f269d9c649ff78a121d2714c)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on July 17, 2017, 08:24:19 PM
Quote
The Boston Celtics signed Paul Pierce Monday so that he could retire as a member of the organization.
surprised this doesn't actually happen as often as it could
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: bluemax on July 18, 2017, 09:20:49 PM
https://www.sbnation.com/2017/7/18/15990700/nba-nike-uniforms-home-away-sports-apparel-deal

Also Doc Rivers said the Clippers will somehow have better ball movement this season without one of the best pure point guards in NBA history.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: FStop7 on July 19, 2017, 04:48:14 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2722388-will-dan-gilbert-remember-lesson-from-lebron-james-first-exit-from-cleveland?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

Shit article.  Ignores Lebron's no trade clause until a single sentence at the end. 

Quote from: benjipwns on July 17, 2017, 08:24:19 PM
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The Boston Celtics signed Paul Pierce Monday so that he could retire as a member of the organization.
surprised this doesn't actually happen as often as it could

Dafuq?  This dude needs to move on, already.  The whole point of his season with the Clippers was so he could play in LA and have a z-list farewell tour.  Now he wants more?  Just go, Paul.  Hop in the wheelchair and roll off into the sunset.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: etiolate on July 21, 2017, 04:11:02 PM
https://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN/status/888484430410428416

uh why
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: eleuin on July 21, 2017, 06:03:53 PM
he knows lebron is jumping ship next season so he's trying to get out first
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: FStop7 on July 21, 2017, 06:51:26 PM
Heat, Clippers, Spurs, Pelicans. 

i want to see him in LA but his best move is probably San Antonio if there is a deal to be made.  Kyrie+Kawhi would be lethal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2017, 07:39:32 PM
he wants a bigger role, so wants to go to the spurs?

funny enough if he goes to the clippers he's going to the team that would have originally had his #1 pick before they traded it to get rid of baron davis
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on July 22, 2017, 03:14:27 AM
Was looking at the trade machine and the mentioned teams by Kyrie, the Clippers (via former Rockets) and Heat could offer decent pieces to build up the Cavs depth, especially if the Cavs can make them take Shumpert as penalty...Knicks have Melo but I can't imagine anything else gets put on the table, again unless the Cavs force Shumpert on them then the Knicks have to give some extra pieces back...Spurs and Wolves are just hard to make trades work salary wise, let alone assuming they'd really give up any of the players or the Cavaliers want them. Spurs you almost have to work in a third team and it would be Danny Green (who the Cavs once waived!) and a bundle of reserves.

I assume they'll just tell Kyrie to play out the season with a promise to move him when there's more flexibility and options next offseason if LeBron decides to stay again.

ESPN story is that Kyrie was originally promised they'd build the team around him and then LeBron decided to sign and the Cavs have been building for that instead and he wants to be the center of a Steve Nash like Suns team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 22, 2017, 03:23:02 AM
Can you imagine if they trade him, then a year later Lebron decides to sign wherever Irving has been traded? :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on July 22, 2017, 04:51:29 AM
In all seriousness, I've been thinking that LeBron might kinda need a break year anyway as he's starting to enter the area of the downslope of the standard career peak. Coming off seven straight trips to the NBA Finals, plus an Olympics.

Like a serious one, not skipping eight games but still playing more than anyone in the league. That was Kobe's kind of rests too after 32. But a Spurs style for Timmy 30 minutes a night season. They're too good to drop out of the playoffs anyway, even under attack by injuries and home court advantage probably is still not a big deal against the East when LeBron goes full force for a series. Hell, he's probably too good not to still put up 24/7/6 or something insane in those minutes.

Not like any given game can't become a 35 or 40 minute night. But let him sit more and let Kyrie and Love run a bunch of pick and rolls with Korver and Frye on the floor. Give Kyrie the season he wants, and then LeBron can assume command for the playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2017, 08:48:29 AM
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Free-agent center Pau Gasol has signed a three-year, $48 million deal to return to the San Antonio Spurs, league sources told ESPN.

The deal includes a partial guarantee on the contract's final year, sources said.
Wow, he's 37.

He's an ideal Spurs big man and they're the kings of minutes management but I figured he'd be considering shutting it down sooner than that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on July 26, 2017, 02:31:03 AM
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The Portland Trail Blazers are trading guard Allen Crabbe to the Brooklyn Nets, league sources told ESPN.

Brooklyn signed Crabbe to a four-year, $75 million offer sheet a year ago. Portland matched the sheet and, under league rules, needed to wait one full year to include Crabbe into a deal with the Nets.

The Nets will send forward Andrew Nicholson to the Blazers, league sources said. Portland will likely waive the remainder of the three years, $20 million on Nicholson's contract, and use the stretch provision to ease the luxury tax hit on the Blazers' cap, league sources said.

Portland generates a $12.9 million trade exception in the deal, too. The exception expires in one year.

The Blazers have $110 million in salary committed to the 2018-19 season, with center Jusuf Nurkic eligible for his rookie extension before the season.
Had to move somebody from that wing and probably nobody wanted Evan Turner.

Also, Melo/Irving trade possibilities related, Brandon Knight will miss the entire season after tearing his ACL.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It's Over. Warriors win the title)
Post by: benjipwns on July 26, 2017, 03:24:21 AM
Portland has the second highest payroll in the league after Cleveland. They have the highest guaranteed payroll from just five players of any team through 2020. They bet on the cap jumps, signed a bunch of younger reserves hoping they'd blossom like McCollum, and got screwed when neither that nor the cap explosion happened.

Next year, they would have these salary commitments before this trade:
Lillard: $28 million
McCollum: $25.8 million
Crabbe: $19.3 million
Evan Turner: $17.9 million
Meyers Leonard: $10.6 million
Moe Harkless: $10.4 million
Al-Farouq Aminu: $7 million

A year after that, 2019-20 they'd have been on the books for:
Lillard: $29.8 million
McCollum: $27.6 million
Turner: $18.6 million
Crabbe: $18.5 million
Leonard: $11.3 million
Harkless: $11 million

And they have to extend Jusuf Nurkic to a new deal this year which just adds to it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 31, 2017, 09:12:33 AM
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/lamar-odom-done-in-the-dark/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 06, 2017, 06:33:55 AM
Kevin Pelton's Projected 2017-18 Standings
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20225286/projected-records-win-totals-standings-every-nba-team-2017-18-season

Western:
1. Warriors (62-20)
2. Rockets (55-27)
3. Spurs (53-29)
4. Timberwolves (50-32)
5. Thunder (50-32)
6. Clippers (49-33)
7. Nuggets (47-35)
8. Jazz (45-37)
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9. Pelicans (44-38)
10. Blazers (44-38)
11. Mavericks (35-47)
12. Grizzlies (35-47)
13. Lakers (33-49)
14. Suns (30-52)
15. Kings (27-55)

Eastern:
1. Celtics (49-33)
2. Cavaliers (49-33)
3. Wizards (48-34)
4. Bucks (47-35)
5. Hornets (44-38)
6. Raptors (43-39)
7. Heat (42-40)
8. Pistons (35-47)
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9. Sixers (33-49)
10. Magic (32-50)
11. Pacers (32-50)
12. Knicks (32-50)
13. Nets (30-52)
14. Bulls (29-53)
15. Hawks (27-55)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 08, 2017, 08:49:05 AM
Quote
“My kids’ kids’ kids should be fine,” Wall told The Vertical about the $207 million headed his way over the next six years.
:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 08, 2017, 11:27:25 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on August 08, 2017, 08:49:05 AM
Quote
“My kids’ kids’ kids should be fine,” Wall told The Vertical about the $207 million headed his way over the next six years.
:lol

Thinking about generational wealth/taking care of his family? What a thug.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on August 10, 2017, 05:26:17 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2726710-zach-randolph-reportedly-arrested-for-marijuana-possession-with-intent-to-sell

https://twitter.com/TotalProSports/status/895687688959000577

:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 12, 2017, 04:19:55 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20319079/kevin-pelton-weekly-mailbag-including-avery-bradley-defense
Quote
"I had an idea for a basketball strategy that goes a little something like this: A player rebounds the ball. His four teammates then surround him and form a wall. Perhaps they even hold hands to form a true circle around the player with the ball. Then they head down the court, and in theory the wall of players should protect the player with the ball, and he will be able to get an uncontested shot from wherever they navigate to. It could be a 3-pointer, it could be a glorified free throw, it could be whatever. After the shot, the players forming the circle would get into rebounding mode, obviously.

"I'm not saying this is a brilliant idea, but I am wondering if it is even a decent idea, or a plausible idea. Could this work? Are there pitfalls to this plan that would render it impossible? Have I accidentally revolutionized basketball forever? Only you can decide for sure." - Chris Morgan
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on August 12, 2017, 04:27:46 PM
Pretty sure he stole that idea from Kobe.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 18, 2017, 01:39:57 AM
https://twitter.com/waltertavares22/status/898274145028493312
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 18, 2017, 10:13:30 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20371337/kevin-durant-golden-state-warriors-no-intention-visiting-white-house-harsh-words-president-donald-trump#show-last-Point

Not unexpected in the era of our racist president but still nice to see.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 22, 2017, 07:53:04 PM
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The Boston Celtics have acquired All-Star point guard Kyrie Irving from the Cleveland Cavaliers for point guard Isaiah Thomas, forward Jae Crowder, center Ante Zizic and a 2018 draft pick, sources tell ESPN.

Thomas had been bracing for the possibility of a trade on Tuesday, league sources told ESPN.

Irving, 25, requested a trade during a July meeting with Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert. Irving has said that he wants to play in a situation where he can be more of a focal point and that he no longer wants to play alongside LeBron James, sources said.

Thomas has spent the offseason recovering from a right hip injury. He led the Celtics to the best record in the Eastern Conference, averaging 28.9 points and 5.9 assists over 33.8 minutes per game during the regular season.

Thomas missed the final three games of the Eastern Conference finals with the hip injury and opted not to have surgery. Celtics coach Brad Stevens said Monday that he was not sure Thomas would be ready for the start of training camp, but that further medical tests in September would determine that timeline.

Thomas, 28, will become a free agent when his contract expires at the end of June. Thomas has said he believes he's worthy of a maximum contract.

Irving was the No. 1 pick in the 2011 Draft. Thomas was the last.

The trade will make for an interesting opener for both teams. The Celtics and Cavaliers open the season in Cleveland on Oct. 17.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kyrie to Boston. Isiah to Cleveland)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 22, 2017, 08:11:34 PM
Most people are saying Cleveland got the better end of this trade. We'll see I guess.

Also the Pacers continue to be idiots for getting so little for Paul George. Both the Cavs and Celitcs would have been willing to give up a lot to get PG.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kyrie to Boston. Isiah to Cleveland)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 22, 2017, 08:22:59 PM
WHAT
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kyrie to Boston. Isiah to Cleveland)
Post by: samfish on August 22, 2017, 09:49:29 PM
Who will break first?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kyrie to Boston. Isiah to Cleveland)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on August 22, 2017, 10:11:18 PM
Not feelin it but I trust in Danny
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kyrie to Boston. Isiah to Cleveland)
Post by: Let's Cyber on August 22, 2017, 10:28:35 PM
Pretty shocked they got a likely lottery pick on top.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kyrie to Boston. Isiah to Cleveland)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 22, 2017, 11:50:57 PM
Quote from: Let's Cyber on August 22, 2017, 10:28:35 PM
Pretty shocked they got a likely lottery pick on top.

Yeah this seems to be a move aimed at a post lebron future. Isaiah Thomas is a good player with a hell of a heart but I'd rather take kyrie and his size compared to him.

Jae Crowder is a nice under-valued pickup for them though.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kyrie to Boston. Isiah to Cleveland)
Post by: T-Short on August 23, 2017, 02:11:43 AM
https://twitter.com/Tom_NBA/status/900174983678308352 (https://twitter.com/Tom_NBA/status/900174983678308352)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kyrie to Boston. Isiah to Cleveland)
Post by: bluemax on August 24, 2017, 12:02:46 AM
Clips signed some dude from the Zombies as their new GM.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kyrie to Boston. Isiah to Cleveland)
Post by: benjipwns on August 24, 2017, 01:07:19 AM
Kevin Pelton did some RPM crunching to update his projections for the season:
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While the two All-Star point guards in this trade have stolen all the headlines, it's the third veteran player -- Crowder -- who actually has the best RPM projection of the three. Why is that? In part, it reflects the defensive shortcomings of both Irving and Thomas, at least during the regular season.

Befitting their status as efficient, high-scoring point guards, Irving and Thomas rate as standout offensive contributors. Thomas' projected plus-5.2 offensive RPM -- based on performance during the past three seasons and an age adjustment -- puts him sixth in the NBA, while Irving (plus-4.2) ranks 13th. Yet both players have defensive RPM projections that put them in the league's bottom 25, with Thomas (minus-3.7) second worst among signed players ahead of only Bojan Bogdanovic of the Indiana Pacers.

By contrast, Crowder's projection is far more balanced. He's one of 12 players in the league who project at least 1.5 points better than league average per 100 possessions on both offense and defense. Nine of those 12 players were All-Stars in 2017, with Nikola Jokic and Ricky Rubio as the other two exceptions.

The balanced projection reflects Crowder's 3-and-D skill set as well as how much of a difference his presence in the lineup has made for Boston. His plus-7.8 net rating on the court in 2016-17 was second best among Celtics behind Amir Johnson (plus-8.0), per NBA.com/Stats. Meanwhile, Boston was outscored by 3.9 points per 100 possessions with Crowder on the bench, the worst mark on the team.

A single season of on-court/off-court data can be fluky, a reason that RPM projections include multiple years of data. But Crowder had a similar, if smaller effect, in 2015-16, when the Celtics' plus-0.8 net rating with him on the bench was worst among regular players. In 2014-15, when Crowder joined the team midseason, Boston had a minus-3.0 net rating with him on the bench, surpassed only by Kelly Olynyk (minus-3.2).
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Since Irving and Thomas figure to play similar minutes, the question here was mostly how to redistribute the 30 minutes per game Crowder was projected to play. (Ante Zizic's five minutes per game were also redistributed to centers Aron Baynes and Daniel Theis.) I split them fairly equally between Brown (previously at 20 minutes per game), Tatum (10, much to the dismay of hopeful Celtics fans) and Marcus Morris (25), while also adding second-round pick Semi Ojeleye on the fringes of the rotation.

In RPM's estimation, Boston should get much worse production in place of Crowder. The Celtics were relatively ineffective with Brown on the court last season -- his minus-2.2 on-court net rating was worst among Boston regulars -- while most rookies do little to help their teams win, even ones as highly regarded as Tatum. As a result, Boston's RPM projection tumbles from 49.4 wins on average before the trade to 43.8, putting the Celtics fifth in the Eastern Conference.
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Having added Crowder, the Cavaliers are suddenly flush with wing options. I have Iman Shumpert as the odd man out of the rotation for the most part, though. JR Smith also sees less playing time, and Crowder gets far fewer minutes than he was projected for in Boston (30 minutes per game).

Still, siphoning minutes from those Cleveland incumbents to Crowder improves the team's RPM projection from 49.2 wins -- nearly even with but just behind the Celtics before the trade -- to 53.7, tops in the East and within striking distance of the Houston Rockets (55.1) for the second-best projection in the league behind the Golden State Warriors.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kyrie to Boston. Isiah to Cleveland)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on August 24, 2017, 01:25:44 AM
Y'know, I can't help but hate this. I was hoping that with the dumb amount of picks they had, Boston might be able to form a team around AB and IT. Now all that shit has been blow up, and it'll be awesome to watch, but Al Horford, Gordon Haywood, and Kyrie aren't carrying the Cs through the playoffs.

 Hope Kyrie isn't too offended by our local paper being named 'The Globe"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kyrie to Boston. Isiah to Cleveland)
Post by: benjipwns on August 30, 2017, 03:15:45 AM
while literally everything else seems to be about the phony Celtics/Cavs kerfuffle over the trade, KP posted the biggest disagreements between Vegas and RPM and two teams i'm a bit interested in this season popped up along with Boston:
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Boston Celtics
Line: 56.5 wins
RPM projection: 44.8 wins
I was looking at the lineup the other day and noticed something I retrospectively thought was totally getting underplayed in the press. Boston was close to league average on D last year, 13th, and they arguably either moved sideways or got worse at three positions. Amir->Morris and Crowder->Hayward are both general downgrades in that regard, plus they lost Bradley which leaves Smart as the main perimeter guy. Kyrie could be an upgrade on Thomas but he's not a huge one and he's never been very positive on that end. Plus Horford's back in the situation he openly hated in Atlanta when he doesn't have someone backing him up ala Amir/Zeller or Josh Smith to cover the backline, he's going to have to do it. Which he can, he just has been open about the fact that he doesn't find it ideal.

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Philadelphia 76ers
Line: 42.5 wins
RPM projection: 33.5 wins
34 wins might still be good enough for the playoffs in the East though. Landing inbetween those marks probably definitely is. RPM has got to be tough on them here considering half their ideal rotation has basically no data. Though I may be a bit starry-eyed after Simmons and Embiid were a matchup nightmare that tore me apart in 2K recently. And that version of the team didn't have Amir, Redick, Fultz, a year older Saric, some idea of what to do with Okafor, etc.

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LA Clippers
Line: 43.5 wins
RPM projection: 48.1 wins
Difference: 4.6 wins

The Clippers have become a favorite of statistical projections. Andrew Johnson's projections have them even higher at 51.6 wins.
This is one of those superstars get replaced by depth situations like OKC was hoping to have last year. It's going to really be relying on Griffin's development as an offensive player that Paul kinda shunted aside along with DeAndre taking away space down low. Now he's going to be the primary offensive player, but he's got all his additions he's made on giving himself an outside game and ability to distribute to fit himself in alongside those two. With Ganillari and the Rockets imports they don't look like that bad of team, not a contender anymore but probably not as huge of drop off as the Thunder took from Durant. Thunder went from 59-23 to 43-39 in pythag. Clippers were 52-30 last year and I don't think six teams out West going over or near 50 would be too crazy of a situation, yet it's kinda crazy to think losing Paul might only knock a couple wins off. But I guess they did quite well compared to a lot of a teams this offseason considering they got that haul of Rockets pieces and then plugging in Danilo to fill in for their superstar loss.

Their real problem probably continues to be Austin Rivers. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kyrie to Boston. Isiah to Cleveland)
Post by: bluemax on August 30, 2017, 03:25:36 AM
Hey they got rid of Crawford and his contract, can't fix everything in one off season!

It's going to be interesting watching a more space oriented Clippers team after the last few years of having to rely on one of the best PGs of our lifetime to fit the ball in the awful spacing they had.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kyrie to Boston. Isiah to Cleveland)
Post by: benjipwns on August 30, 2017, 03:43:10 AM
They could be a fun team if Doc lets em be. I really like Danilo's potential for devastating efficiency alongside a PF who not only can shoot outside eight feet but can distribute it oh, and isn't 6-8 combined with a big guy behind him who can clean up a little and also dominates the glass. He really worked well offensively with Jokic last year. Shame they couldn't have had him and Lou Williams while Paul was around instead of those almost self-inflicted gaping holes on the perimeter they always seemed to roll out with.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kyrie to Boston. Isiah to Cleveland)
Post by: bluemax on August 30, 2017, 10:31:30 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on August 30, 2017, 03:43:10 AM
They could be a fun team if Doc lets em be. I really like Danilo's potential for devastating efficiency alongside a PF who not only can shoot outside eight feet but can distribute it oh, and isn't 6-8 combined with a big guy behind him who can clean up a little and also dominates the glass. He really worked well offensively with Jokic last year. Shame they couldn't have had him and Lou Williams while Paul was around instead of those almost self-inflicted gaping holes on the perimeter they always seemed to roll out with.

I kinda wonder what Doc's future is with the team now that they've lost CP3 and he's been stripped of GM powers. He's been horrible at developing/playing anyone but his favorite veterans and now they kinda have some dudes who are not old timers that they should give run to (even if their upside is rotation player at best) but will he be willing to do that?

I could see him quitting after this season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 30, 2017, 10:51:19 PM
He did want to retire before KG/Pierce convinced him to do one more go around, but that was to spend more time with Austin...

I've assumed he must have had some role in developing DeAndre into smarter positioning and such, he did similar work with Kendrick Perkins that then fell apart when he left, but then I remember the control group was Vinny Del Negro.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 30, 2017, 11:00:10 PM
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With a Thursday morning deadline looming, the Boston Celtics agreed to send the Cleveland Cavaliers a 2020 second-round draft pick via the Miami Heat to acquire four-time All-Star guard Kyrie Irving and complete the blockbuster trade, league sources said.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 31, 2017, 10:09:26 AM
nice. You could always tell they were just angling for an extra second round pick. I mentioned this to my brother once the initial rumours started swelling.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on August 31, 2017, 10:51:42 PM
https://twitter.com/DimeUPROXX/status/903418797050220545
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on September 06, 2017, 01:49:25 AM
Saw it mentioned today and didn't believe it but it's true, there hasn't been a NBA coach fired since May 2016.

And there hasn't been a NBA coach hired since June 2, 2016: Jeff Hornacek.

This has to be some kind of record post-merger.

And looking through the current coaches, unless something weird happens like Clips struggle so Doc retires or similar, plus whatever it is the Kings do that's called management happens we might go another season. A lot of the ones I could think of potentially aren't expected to win games this year (ATL, CHI, PHX, etc.) or are like Hornacek who will probably at least get a season without having to try and force the triangle on the team. (Especially with the Knicks still paying Fisher and Phil.)

Alvin Gentry is probably the most obvious hot seat but I'm sure he'll get some time to at least try to start off the season with Boogie in the fold. SVG is his own boss after the owner. Terry Stotts just got extended. Steve Clifford maybe?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on September 15, 2017, 02:01:45 AM
I guess this could go somewhere else but I always like how news stories about sports players turn nobodies into franchise players, my favorite being "star" thrown around which this story doesn't use but is quite common, this is just an example I saw in the AP wire which while technically true still got me to click just to see the end line because I said "who?"

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Former Celtic Nate Driggers sentenced to prison for selling stolen guns

CHICAGO -- An eight-year prison sentence has been handed to a former Boston Celtics player found guilty of receiving guns stolen off a freight train in Chicago.

Nate Driggers was found guilty in April of being a convicted felon in possession of stolen guns.

Evidence presented at trial showed the 44-year-old Driggers bought 30 of 111 Rugers stolen by gang members in 2015 from a rail car parked in a rail yard and quickly resold 29 of them. Only 19 guns have been recovered.

In asking for the maximum sentence of 10 years, prosecutors said Driggers' actions have contributed to the "very dark place" Chicago finds itself in when it comes to gun violence.

Driggers on Thursday again denied ever selling guns.

Drafted by the Celtics in 1996, Driggers appeared in 15 games that season.
He had a PER of 6.8 and BPM of -8.2. He spent a training camp with the Nuggets too. Played at the University of Montevallo where he averaged 28/11 as a Senior. He shot only 57% from the line in college.

And now you know... the rest of the story, good day.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on September 21, 2017, 07:33:56 AM
another seemingly yearly follow up piece on Robert Swift who seems to be putting his life back together if not really having a shot at getting back to the league (vs. the 3-on-3 or g-league) like these stories always try to frame things:
https://www.si.com/nba/2016/09/21/robert-swift-nba-drug-addiction-thunder-sonics

though there was this fun little part of the story from his rookie year:
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The first time he guards Tim Duncan, Swift pushes up on him on the block, trying to impress him.

“Nah, nah, don’t do that,” Duncan says.

Swift is surprised. Duncan never talks to opponents. And yet...

“The ball’s going to swing to the other side, get position,” Duncan continues.

The ball swings. Swift follows orders, shuffling his feet across the lane, staying behind Duncan.

“No, further up,” Duncan says. Swift takes a half-step.

“No, a little higher, don’t let me duck in on you.”

Swift complies.

“All right, now come back,” Duncan says, moving across the lane. “The ball’s about to be swung back, but it’s not coming to me this time so don’t worry about it. But now you know how to play it.”
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on September 23, 2017, 06:14:06 AM
Kevin Durant twitter story is so weird I'm convinced it's sorta fake.

Tyler Zeller to Nets and Tony Allen to the Pelicans are fun little end of FA shake outs that might be important later under the right circumstances. Especially the latter if the Pelicans make the playoffs. Zeller got log-jammed in Boston...of course now they have the space for him same as his other former team the Cavs did. I've kinda liked him as a mildly stretchy center off the bench though I can't fathom how any of the Zeller brothers seemingly can't block shots. Both of them still in the league probably need to develop a three point shot and become the new Frye.

The Mason Plumee contract seems like an overpaying especially after adding Milsap to play next to Jokic. Plus they've got Faried and Trey Lyles in the mix along with some other random dudes.

This Mohamed Bamba freshman at Texas is seven foot tall and has a minimum 7-9 wingspan. That's cheating, it totally lowers your ratings in MyCAREER.

Zach Lowe put out a column about some guys he's looking forward to seeing how things go this year: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20777848/zach-lowe-most-intriguing-players-2017-18-featuring-justise-winslow-jusuf-nurkic-nba
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Remember Justise Winslow? Boston offered Charlotte four first-round picks just for the chance to draft him. One head coach told ESPN.com Winslow gave the best pre-draft interview he had ever seen.
That section along with Drummond being listed next reminded me that Stanley Johnson is probably going to get six times the minutes or more of Boban again.

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So, umm, did the Pelicans -- with DeMarcus Cousins' free agency looming and limited paths to upgrade if he leaves -- just give Jrue Holiday $26 million per year to be an average spot-up shooter next to Rajon Rondo and two All-Star bigs?

They concluded Holiday just works better as a secondary ball handler, a role he has played next to Tyreke Evans, Tim Frazier, and others over four strange years in New Orleans. "I honestly don't think it changes much for me," Holiday told ESPN.com. "Rondo makes scoring so much easier."

The team worried about Holiday's court vision and shot selection as the undisputed floor general. "The fit with Rondo is going to be much, much better for him," Alvin Gentry, the Pelicans' head coach, told ESPN.com. "Anyone who doubts the value of Rondo just has to look at the playoffs last year. [The Bulls] dominated with him against Boston."

...

Gentry and his staff have to get creative. They hired Chris Finch away from Denver, and plan to mimic how the Nuggets ran their offense through Nikola Jokic. Cousins and Davis will handle the ball up high, while the other four players screen for one another. Gentry might even stick one of the bigs in the corner in Rick Adelman-style sets, and have Holiday screen for him there. "Deal with that," Gentry said.
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"The Paul Georges and Kevin Durants -- we're going to ask Jrue to guard those guys," Gentry said.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on September 23, 2017, 01:52:17 PM
Trump got dunked on by Steph and Bron.

Oh and Carmelo got traded too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on September 25, 2017, 12:06:15 AM
That deal is actually kinda weird for the Knicks. They must plan on flipping Kanter?

I also love that both Melo and George who lamented having to play the four in the past are basically now going to be forced into it. Although it'll be a lot of switches and circumstancial matchups and such, the Thunder can't play them both otherwise. The shocking part will be which player realizes he's actually better playing there in the "new" NBA first?

Wade is apparently going to re-unite with LeBron in Cleveland after the Bulls complete his buyout. The dark side of me enjoys the Cavs seemingly accidentally backing their way into the deepest team they've ever rolled out around LeBron. Lots of people weirdly forget that 2015 Finals had Mozgov, Thompson and Dellavedova on the floor for most of the game earning their big contracts because the rest of the team was in shambles physically. Two of those were bench guys to start the season and Mozgov wasn't even on the roster.

Man, do OKC fans lead charmed lives though. Lose their first superstar only to watch Westbrook go insane for a year with a truly historic season and maybe polish off his edges in the process, and then land two superstars for peanuts including a guy who once forced his way off a near contender to New York simply because it was NYC who now is agreeing to play in one of the leagues smallest markets. Meanwhile, their lost star is going through some kind of mid career crisis that makes Draymond look normal and spent half of last year with his teammates visibly upset at his need for outside the system touches. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on September 25, 2017, 12:10:47 AM
Season is going to be nuts, just dicking around with teams in 2K18 is sometimes silly. Even with all the changes they made recently you can tell their AI and play stuff still can't understand how to manage multiple ball handlers who can all score operating off seemingly eye contact like the 2002 Kings versus a ball handler who gets the ball to a single scorer and alternatively then a second option.

Plus many of the team-ups this year have been Melo, Paul, etc. guys who have gone through their primes as stars rather than the previously lamented guys in their primes-teaming-up. (Which Kobe has an extended monologue complaining about when he's a guest commentator when your team first plays the Lakers at home.)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on September 25, 2017, 01:00:15 AM
That 8th seed in the east is going to a team who will maybe be the worst playoff team in the past 10 years. The first 6 slots are pretty much already decided and the 7th is too provided charlotte figures their shit out. If Philadelphia stays becomes healthy, they have as good a shot as anyone else; Hinkie vindicated.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 25, 2017, 08:42:43 AM
Been busy so haven't been able to comment on all the nba stuff in the news.

lol at durant and all his twitter foolishness.

OKC has done a great job at rebuilding without giving away anything anybody would care about. Getting Paul George and Carmelo for what they gave up is a steal.

Wade should be interesting. As long as he is willing to accept a diminshed role he can help some teams. If he's still trying to be the wade of old that's ain't gonna work.


Good article on Dwight Howard from a few days ago.

https://www.si.com/nba/2017/09/19/dwight-howard-hornets-magic-lakers-james-harden-kobe-bryant


Fuck our racist president and props to Steph and The warriors


I'm out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread of fake twitter accounts
Post by: benjipwns on September 25, 2017, 09:09:38 AM
I remember reading a serious predraft article about Dwight's religion and how this was a major warning sign that he'd be soft and a team killer like other religious sports players (Kurt Warner and David Robinson I guess?) so the smart move was to draft Okafor or Ben Gordon who you could actually build around. That was either the year before or after Dick Vitale did his big rant about how you shouldn't draft anyone from overseas because they haven't had to work hard every night and earn it like college players do.

I think I like the new analytics obsessed draft process more. :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread of fake twitter accounts
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 26, 2017, 08:02:10 AM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2735100-gregg-popovich-usa-is-embarrassment-amid-donald-trump-anthem-controversy

 :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread of fake twitter accounts
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 26, 2017, 06:54:07 PM
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Sources: Dwyane Wade has reached agreement on a one-year, $2.3M deal with the Cleveland Cavaliers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread of fake twitter accounts
Post by: El Babua on September 26, 2017, 08:13:48 PM
Not surprised, but still

absolutelydisgusting.jpg
Title: Re: The NBA thread of fake twitter accounts
Post by: benjipwns on October 03, 2017, 03:40:51 PM
Kevin McHale's NBA-life lessons:
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"People will always talk about 'the things you learn in the NBA,'" McHale says. "You know what you learn in the NBA? You learn how to play basketball. That's it. The only other thing I learned in my career with the Celtics was how to follow tall men through airports. You'd get your ticket from the trainer, and you'd follow the other tall men to the gate and get on the plane. It was like a herd of camels moving through the crowd. That was when we took commercial flights. Now we charter. You don't even have to learn how to follow tall men."
Title: Re: The NBA thread of fake twitter accounts
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 03, 2017, 04:01:46 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20905491/nba-all-star-game-switch-formats-captains-pick-team-conference-affiliations

I don't see how this fixes the issue.
Title: Re: The NBA thread of fake twitter accounts
Post by: benjipwns on October 03, 2017, 04:08:42 PM
I don't really get the lottery reform either based on the supposed explanations for why. Especially if we presume the entire point is to make bad teams not bad anymore.
Title: Re: The NBA thread of fake twitter accounts
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 03, 2017, 06:14:00 PM
Both issues seem pretty much unfixable.

They don't have the votes to try the radical solutions they would want to try for the draft. And honestly I'm not even sure its an issue other than that it gives a bad pr look.

The All-Star game is an even more minor issue. I mean I would love to have more competitive games. While the All-Star contest was never a real game, its gotten worse and worse over my lifetime but for very understandable modern reasons. Fear of Injury during a long season being chief among them.

I think there are solutions to potentially actually improve it. But they generally involve giving it some kind of stupid gimmick (give conference winner home field advantage during finals or something) or moving it away from the middle of the season.

What I've always wanted was to still have the team selection honor thing but move to some kind of three on three format to make it more about one on one matchups. Instead of one contest just run a little mini-tournament all day or weekend long and see who wins.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 05, 2017, 03:27:08 PM
Zach Lowe league pass rankings:
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20849806/zach-lowe-2017-18-nba-league-pass-rankings-part-1
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20849807/zach-lowe-2017-18-nba-league-pass-rankings-part-2

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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: FStop7 on October 10, 2017, 06:40:28 PM
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2017/10/10/16452324/markelle-fultz-free-throw-shoulder

The Sixers need to fire their entire training staff.  They can't keep any of their young players healthy.  They botched their handling of Simmons' foot injury, etc.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on October 10, 2017, 07:01:32 PM
It doesn't help when you repeatedly draft injured players.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on October 10, 2017, 07:03:00 PM
 . board fail
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 11, 2017, 11:23:25 AM
https://www.si.com/nba/2017/10/11/isaiah-thomas-cavs-celtics-trade-kyrie-irving-hip-injury-lebron-james

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When Sacramento let Thomas walk in 2014, he left town telling himself, “F--- Sacramento. I’m about to kill those dudes.” When Phoenix exiled him the following winter, he pledged, “O.K., now they’re gonna get it.” But there will be no revenge tour this time. “Boston is going to be all love,” he vows, with one exception. “I might not ever talk to Danny again. That might not happen. I’ll talk to everybody else. But what he did, knowing everything I went through, you don’t do that, bro. That’s not right. I’m not saying eff you. But every team in this situation comes out a year or two later and says, ‘We made a mistake.’ That’s what they’ll say, too.”
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 12, 2017, 02:44:42 PM
What if the Sixers training staff deliberately hurts drafted players to ensure the acquisition of high draft picks the following year.

 :ohhh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on October 17, 2017, 06:39:59 PM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/920417917400944641

well damn
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It begins. And by it, I mean another Warriors title run)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 17, 2017, 06:53:50 PM
Two good games tonight. Let's do it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 17, 2017, 07:11:40 PM
Quote from: etiolate on October 17, 2017, 06:39:59 PM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/920417917400944641

well damn
This could be the most exciting practice fight since 7-3 Ha Seung-Jin tried to impale 7-4 Nedzad Sinanovic with a balance beam or whatever it was and then they wrestled each other.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It begins. And by it, I mean another Warriors title run)
Post by: etiolate on October 17, 2017, 07:49:45 PM
I feel like that's the undercard for stretch 4 draft letdowns.

Beasley v Derrick Williams is the title fight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It begins. And by it, I mean another Warriors title run)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on October 17, 2017, 08:17:14 PM
Holy fucking shit, that was so disgusting looking
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It begins. And by it, I mean another Warriors title run)
Post by: etiolate on October 17, 2017, 08:25:54 PM
Yah just saw the replay of Hayward's injury. Fell down like rag doll physics.

CURSE OF THE ISAIAH BEGINS
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It begins. And by it, I mean another Warriors title run)
Post by: FStop7 on October 17, 2017, 08:28:37 PM
Jesus Christ I wish I hadn’t heard that crack.  And the way all of the players dropped and started praying... that was awful to witness.

Hayward is a beast, he looked less freaked out than everyone else.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It begins. And by it, I mean another Warriors title run)
Post by: eleuin on October 17, 2017, 08:30:10 PM
worst looking injury since PG, fucking hell  :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It begins. And by it, I mean another Warriors title run)
Post by: FStop7 on October 17, 2017, 08:40:16 PM
Skip Bayless evolving from douchebag court jester to outright scumbag.

https://twitter.com/realskipbayless/status/920447725816049666
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It begins. And by it, I mean another Warriors title run)
Post by: Steve Contra on October 17, 2017, 08:52:14 PM
Jesus christ. :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It begins. And by it, I mean another Warriors title run)
Post by: etiolate on October 17, 2017, 09:11:59 PM
Fractured ankle the early diagnosis for Hayward.

Celtics got nobody else to score but Kyrie.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (It begins. And by it, I mean another Warriors title run)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 17, 2017, 10:43:14 PM
And they want people to go "hard" in a meaningless all star game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Gordon Hayward dislocates ankle, fractures tibia)
Post by: eleuin on October 18, 2017, 12:02:04 AM
warriors playing like they're at the ymca and are still up
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Gordon Hayward dislocates ankle, fractures tibia)
Post by: bluemax on October 18, 2017, 12:11:39 AM
Swaggy P is currently leading the Warriors in scoring.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Gordon Hayward dislocates ankle, fractures tibia)
Post by: FStop7 on October 18, 2017, 01:36:09 AM
Tough way for the Warriors to start the season.

The Celts/Cavs finish was intense, too.

It all seems pretty hollow given what happened to Hayward.  That’s completely fucked.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Gordon Hayward dislocates ankle, fractures tibia)
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 18, 2017, 04:00:45 PM
That Cavs team is so weird looking now. It's like watching a pick up game.



Title: Re: The NBA thread (Gordon Hayward dislocates ankle, fractures tibia)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 18, 2017, 04:39:04 PM
They're the best 2011 team that will inevitably lose to the Warriors I've ever seen
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Gordon Hayward dislocates ankle, fractures tibia)
Post by: etiolate on October 19, 2017, 01:23:38 AM
Hayward won't be back this season according to Woj and Hayward's agent. No ligament damage is the good news.

In other news, the Suns got blown out by 48 in their opener.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Gordon Hayward dislocates ankle, fractures tibia)
Post by: benjipwns on October 19, 2017, 03:21:43 AM
i keep forgetting nerlens noel is on the mavericks now

also jokic put up a stat line that looks like myplayer's recent games 7 pts 12 rebs 8 asts 4 tos 30% shooting :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Gordon Hayward dislocates ankle, fractures tibia)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 19, 2017, 09:24:00 AM
Dennis Smith jr 16 points 10 assists :obama

Knicks lawst
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Gordon Hayward dislocates ankle, fractures tibia)
Post by: etiolate on October 19, 2017, 06:41:34 PM
De'Aaron Fox is stupid fast but still has terrible burger taste.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 19, 2017, 08:39:59 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 06, 2017, 01:49:25 AM
Alvin Gentry is probably the most obvious hot seat but I'm sure he'll get some time to at least try to start off the season with Boogie in the fold. SVG is his own boss after the owner. Terry Stotts just got extended. Steve Clifford maybe?
after these first couple days, thibodeaux and hornacek
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Gordon Hayward dislocates ankle, fractures tibia)
Post by: etiolate on October 19, 2017, 08:42:54 PM
Hoiberg had players fighting each into the hospital and every talented vet on his team try to get off the team as soon as they could.

I'm pretty sure he's doomed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Gordon Hayward dislocates ankle, fractures tibia)
Post by: benjipwns on October 19, 2017, 10:52:51 PM
(http://d2s3dt9f4iyeup.cloudfront.net/images/standard_v1/73d803f9-7410-4438-9025-c1f8c034f088.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Gordon Hayward dislocates ankle, fractures tibia)
Post by: etiolate on October 19, 2017, 11:50:05 PM
https://twitter.com/stephenasmith/status/921206034059759618
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Gordon Hayward dislocates ankle, fractures tibia)
Post by: team filler on October 20, 2017, 12:32:11 AM
Cancel the parade  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Gordon Hayward dislocates ankle, fractures tibia)
Post by: etiolate on October 20, 2017, 01:14:41 AM
I would be a little concerned about Ingram.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Gordon Hayward dislocates ankle, fractures tibia)
Post by: team filler on October 20, 2017, 01:34:03 AM
Can we sign LaVar?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Gordon Hayward dislocates ankle, fractures tibia)
Post by: FStop7 on October 20, 2017, 02:23:13 AM
Ingram plays basketball like an anemic Frankenstein’s monster.

Barkley saying the Clips are going to the WCF.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Gordon Hayward dislocates ankle, fractures tibia)
Post by: etiolate on October 21, 2017, 01:22:39 AM
Ingram and Lonzo with impressive games tonight. Now they just need to do that against a NBA team.

Fox has a meh game and still nearly put up a double-double. 

Boogie n Brow continue to do all the work as Jrue remains subpar.

Celts won a game but really don't look that good on offense. Still fierce on defense.

Sixers have Embiid sitting at the 3pt line and that makes me want to punch NBA bloggers.

Wizards look like they'll be the #2 seed in the East.

CP3 looks like he's going to be hobbled for the first month of the season, joining various other popular players on the injury list already. Meanwhile, the Suns, Lakers, Hawks and Mavs look baaaaaaaaad. The Suns are tanking from day one. The finals are obviously going to be Dubs/Cavs for the third year in a row. Expect every thinkpiece saying the NBA will overtake the NFL to ignore these big problems.

Every NBA social media pundit will decry Lavar Ball's mania and the harm it does to Lonzo and then immediately publish the latest Lavar soundbite for clicks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 21, 2017, 11:49:39 PM
Looks like the Warriors are saying fuck it. We'll just coast through the season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 22, 2017, 12:39:49 AM
Memphis always manages to steal a game off gs. They’ll sleepwalk their way to 60 wins and home court throughout
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: FStop7 on October 22, 2017, 11:28:34 AM
Clippers hot takes:

They’re better off without CP3.  Nothing against him, but Lou Williams and Patrick Beverley are doing work.

Blake is having more fun.

Their defense is going to frustrate their opponents.

Not sure if they have enough offense to threaten Houston or OKC.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 22, 2017, 01:07:06 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21107967/cleveland-cavaliers-guard-dwyane-wade-says-searching-role-team

Cavs hot take: Move wade to bench. This ain't the heatles. He never should have been named a starter. Let him lead the second unit and attack weaker players. He's not what he use to be. He can't space the floor. His role should be different now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 22, 2017, 01:47:46 PM
Quote from: FStop7 on October 22, 2017, 11:28:34 AM
They’re better off without CP3.  Nothing against him, but Lou Williams and Patrick Beverley are doing work.
:gurl

They’ve played la and phx breh, lets wait until they play an actual nba team
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: LanceX on October 22, 2017, 03:06:48 PM
OKC gitta shake our rust off
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on October 22, 2017, 03:08:18 PM
Heat look like a team that will end every game by either being up or down a score.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on October 22, 2017, 05:54:55 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/922219248574980096

3 games in.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Syph on October 22, 2017, 06:19:19 PM
Quote from: etiolate on October 22, 2017, 05:54:55 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/922219248574980096

3 games in.
https://twitter.com/EBled2/status/922201984211369984?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on October 22, 2017, 06:27:46 PM
Trading Bledsoe and firing Watson should have been done during the off-season but their management is a mess.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on October 23, 2017, 02:08:51 AM
https://twitter.com/FantasyFlurry/status/922292869855145984
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 23, 2017, 02:37:39 AM
The Suns are so poorly run they extended Watson and told him he'd have a say in personnel decisions and that they trusted him to just play the youngins they had stockpiled and take the losses for now.

They're also missing two of their more important stick-in-for-the-kids defenders and missing their come off the bench and just shoot nonsense because the kids are too scared to take bad shots veteran.

They still almost accidentally took that Lakers game. Maybe that's why he got fired. (Or they're hiring who they really want for when the kids mature. Like OKC did with Scott Brooks.)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on October 23, 2017, 02:40:53 AM
The Suns have been going after major FAs while also tanking. Apparently they're supposed to be finally committed to tank and development now, but outside of Booker, their youth hasn't really done so well.

I had heard that Watson kept having the Suns sign Ronnie Price just because they're buds and he wanted him on the team as his backup voice, but that team clearly does not care. Bledsoe is checked out and waiting for a trade. I would be surprised if Chandler isn't eyeing playoff teams for the deadline as well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 23, 2017, 02:57:15 AM
Chandler has a favorable deal to the Suns for exactly that kind of thing IIRC. And meanwhile, he's an ideal dude for them to have around even playing.

Bledsoe's in a tough spot, he's too old for that team but they kinda need him without Knight and Ulis just to fill the spot, and nobody else is going to give him the contract he wants, he has an opt-out after this season and apparently wants max level money again. Also, Bledsoe's style doesn't really mesh with how the team is being built, or even what Watson wanted to do with it even though they're buds. I also have a hard time thinking of a good spot for him to land that gets the Suns back stuff they'd want.

Maybe just send him back to the Clippers or something to clear him out for "goodwill" with others. That might help make up for shutting him down last year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on October 23, 2017, 03:03:14 AM
I think they could get something good for TJ Warren. I think he's a pretty nice player, but not a star and he doesn't really fit with whatever they plan for Jackson.

They need to just bite the bullet on Bledsoe. They aren't getting anything for him that's equal. Trading him for Ryan Anderson and a non lottery or 2nd round pick is probably the best they'll get.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 23, 2017, 05:55:58 AM
Quote
Phoenix has surprisingly little financial flexibility after signing Warren to a four-year, $50 million extension. Including team options, non-guarantees and a projected lottery pick (plus a protected pick from the Miami Heat), the Suns actually figure to be over the cap next summer.
:kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on October 23, 2017, 06:06:42 AM
<3 Boogie
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 23, 2017, 02:25:51 PM
Quote
[McMenamin] Ty Lue says Dwyane Wade came to him and said he wants to come off the bench. JR Smith back to the starting 5.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on October 23, 2017, 03:36:58 PM
https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/922545796586917899

Don't you take that if you're NY?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on October 23, 2017, 10:53:05 PM
Quote from: etiolate on October 23, 2017, 03:36:58 PM
https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/922545796586917899

Don't you take that if you're NY?
No. Why? Knicks are rebuilding/going young also. Why give up part of their young core for Bledsoe? He's not taking them to the playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Syph on October 23, 2017, 11:15:52 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 23, 2017, 05:55:58 AM
Quote
Phoenix has surprisingly little financial flexibility after signing Warren to a four-year, $50 million extension. Including team options, non-guarantees and a projected lottery pick (plus a protected pick from the Miami Heat), the Suns actually figure to be over the cap next summer.
:kobeyuck
what the actual fuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Tektonic on October 24, 2017, 12:20:27 AM
Quote from: etiolate on October 23, 2017, 03:36:58 PM
https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/922545796586917899

Don't you take that if you're NY?

 :confused
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on October 24, 2017, 05:15:56 PM
Quote from: Beezy on October 23, 2017, 10:53:05 PM
Quote from: etiolate on October 23, 2017, 03:36:58 PM
https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/922545796586917899

Don't you take that if you're NY?
No. Why? Knicks are rebuilding/going young also. Why give up part of their young core for Bledsoe? He's not taking them to the playoffs.

Cuz if Nik and Hermangomez are your young core then your future is trash. I don't see either player being that great. I think Frank may bust. Bledsoe and Zingis PnRs would be deadly.

I mean do you really want Phil Jackson drafting your PG?

Perhaps I'll rephrase that: When you whiff on a draft pick you need to recognize it fast and maximize its trade value when you have time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on October 24, 2017, 05:47:25 PM
Did you really miss the Phil Jackson news?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on October 24, 2017, 06:06:08 PM
No, I forgot about it because the Knicks still made no sense. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on October 25, 2017, 07:31:44 PM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/923319974458023936

I am guessing they're not expecting Anthony Davis back from his knee injury soon.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 25, 2017, 07:57:14 PM
They are desperate then...

Dude is only 31 but NOBODY would even give him a look last season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 25, 2017, 08:13:02 PM
Legit ridiculous that San Antonio are gonna get another 50+ wins in the West with what’s shaping to be a bottom 10 roster on paper
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 25, 2017, 10:20:04 PM
The Cavs mostly sucked tonight. They are even more completely Lebron-centric than they were in the past.

not a diss at lebron.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on October 25, 2017, 10:52:13 PM
i have a lot riding on this wiz lakers game

spoiler (click to show/hide)
my reputation
:fbm
[close]
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on October 25, 2017, 11:18:02 PM
I feel like the lakeshow is going to be fun to watch again, like the eddie jones/nick van exel era!




Still miss Chick  :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on October 26, 2017, 12:59:20 AM
OT baby!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on October 26, 2017, 01:00:28 AM
unacceptable

what the fuck is this garbage
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on October 26, 2017, 01:20:10 AM
BBB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on October 26, 2017, 01:20:56 AM
i'm never going to hear the end of this

kill me now
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on October 26, 2017, 01:30:13 AM
Might be time to make a LaVar avatar  :clap
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on October 26, 2017, 01:30:58 AM
man the Wiz fucked that up
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on October 26, 2017, 02:05:11 AM
i'm always weirded out when i see other wiz fans outside of realgm, bulletsforever and reddit
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on October 26, 2017, 01:11:43 PM
Boogie returns to Sacramento tonight. I expect him to drop 50.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 27, 2017, 12:21:07 AM
This crop of rookies is gud. Tatum is responding to being thrust into more minutes than the Celtics were expecting him to be responsible for, Fox is producing really well off the bench in Sacramento, dsj is who we thought he was but Carlisle won’t let him off the hook -which is good, lauri is super Channing Frye with the ability to put it in the deck and he’s rebounding way better than I thought he would. Simmons: obv good; jury still out on Fultz but he’ll be fine; Lonzo assuming his role as the tall but slow version of Andre miller. OG and monk both look way ahead of schedule too. Other guys I liked like Isaac and kennard haven’t gotten a lot of burn, but I’m holding out hope.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2017, 12:25:00 AM
John Collins is playing pretty well for Atlanta, 12/8 in 19 mpg
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on October 27, 2017, 12:26:27 AM
Dillon Brooks and Mike James as well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 27, 2017, 12:36:07 AM
Also low key, Donovan Mitchell is fun to watch, stats look like dogshit but I think he’s better than what he’s shown.

Like, none of these guys are objectively good nba players obv (except maybe Simmons) but none of them really look lost either
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2017, 12:53:27 AM
Maybe this class will turn out to be one of those makeup classes for 2013 like 2003 was for 2000.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2017, 12:58:26 AM
Okay, Mike James has played in Yurop for five years, I was wondering where he came from and why he was 27.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on October 27, 2017, 01:14:55 AM
Boooooogie

43/21/6

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2017, 01:43:26 AM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on October 27, 2017, 12:21:07 AM
Other guys I liked like Isaac and kennard haven’t gotten a lot of burn, but I’m holding out hope.
Pistons are still determined to prove Stanley Johnson isn't a bust by playing him until it's so obvious they have to give up on him at age 21, but eventually SVG has to want to try some more shooting.

Speaking of the team, I have no idea why the team signed Boban to a three year deal if he's never going to play. Ever. It's like having Darko around again. Only he's 29. And gigantic. And actually can pass and shoot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 27, 2017, 01:56:59 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 27, 2017, 01:43:26 AM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on October 27, 2017, 12:21:07 AM
Other guys I liked like Isaac and kennard haven’t gotten a lot of burn, but I’m holding out hope.
Pistons are still determined to prove Stanley Johnson isn't a bust by playing him until it's so obvious they have to give up on him at age 21
:fbm

I really swung and missed on this dude. Big as fuck for a sg, quick enough to play with the joneses defensively, not good bounce but strong enough that it didn’t matter, and most importantly had the Kobe asshole gene. And he just hasn’t produced at all since that first round series v Cleveland. I swear to god he had a legit corner 3 ball in college and that’s just completely disappeared :mindblown.

Kennard’s got a good shot, not sure if he’s got anything else though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on October 27, 2017, 02:18:35 AM
https://twitter.com/jerrybskinny/status/923792638485991424

hint: It's Vlade Divac
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2017, 02:26:10 AM
Johnson isn't really even good defensively despite that athleticism, dude still looks lost half the time. He's also got that classic bad defender move of overplaying for steals and he's good enough at grabbing a couple of those that it just encourages him to always play like that.

And half the time he can't shoot outside of like 2 feet yet he spends all his time on the perimeter. Barely drives. That corner three is actually the only shot he's halfway decent at.

Kinda wish they'd just send him over to Grand Rapids to work on his shot or rebounding to move to the 4 or something rather than trying to force him into being decent because it doesn't seem to be helping him or the team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on October 27, 2017, 02:31:37 AM
I liked Johnson in SL and preseason his rookie year. I expected his shot to come around. He should be killer from the corner and beat up smaller SFs inside.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 27, 2017, 03:09:59 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=755S8OJanGA
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2017, 03:15:09 AM
wow, dat perfect form after the fake despite the time, wouldn't have imagined that even a couple years ago from him
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2017, 03:17:51 AM
speaking of griffin and it's only four games in (three for Blake as that games' not in yet) but B-R's MVP tracker currently are only giving him (26/9/5) and Giannis (35/11/6) a shot :lol

including this game he's hitting 2.5 threes a game at 44% :whew

deandre seems to be doing alright despite no paul too, clips might be better than i even thought

/four game hot take
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on October 27, 2017, 03:21:39 AM
Clips schedule has been pretty easy. Starting off with the Lakers and Suns is like extra training camp.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2017, 03:21:43 AM
Quote from: etiolate on October 27, 2017, 02:18:35 AM
https://twitter.com/jerrybskinny/status/923792638485991424

hint: It's Vlade Divac
https://theundefeated.com/features/demarcus-cousins-sacramento-kings-new-orleans-pelicans-my-biggest-regret-is-not-leaving-when-i-had-a-chance/
Quote
“And there was plenty of times where I was a victim. But at the end of the day, it’s still on me. My biggest regret is not leaving when I had the chance.

“I had the chance, but I fought it. I had the chance to leave, but I didn’t.”
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2017, 03:24:49 AM
Since we talked about a little earlier, Kevin Pelton looked at some Bledsoe possibilities:
Quote
Suns get: Guard Emmanuel Mudiay and forward Kenneth Faried
Nuggets get: Bledsoe

Denver is the most logical Bledsoe destination by a wide margin. After signing Paul Millsap as a free agent this summer, the Nuggets are hoping to return to the playoffs for the first time since firing George Karl in 2013. Denver's weakest position is point guard, where Jamal Murray has star potential but has struggled in two games as a starter since the Nuggets unexpectedly waived veteran Jameer Nelson. Because Bledsoe could play with Murray or supplant him as a starter, Bledsoe would be an ideal bridge point guard to help Denver win now.
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Suns get: Guards D.J. Augustin, Mario Hezonja and Elfrid Payton
Magic get: Bledsoe and guard Troy Daniels

If Orlando's new front office isn't sold on Payton as the team's answer at point guard, not having to make a decision on him as a restricted free agent next summer might also be a bonus.
...
The Suns would have to take on a bad contract in Augustin, who is signed through 2019-20 at $7.25 million a year. He's the only option to match salary until Shelvin Mack becomes eligible to be traded on Dec. 15. The fact that players signed as free agents this summer cannot yet be traded is among the challenges the Suns face in making a fair deal for Bledsoe.
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Suns get: Guard Iman Shumpert, center Ante Zizic, protected 2021 first-round pick
Cavaliers get: Bledsoe

Bledsoe has long been linked to Cleveland because he's represented by Klutch Sports Management, which represents LeBron James, but Bledsoe also would fit well with the Cavaliers. Derrick Rose's sprained ankle has exposed how thin Cleveland is at point guard while Isaiah Thomas is sidelined by a hip injury. In any event, Bledsoe is a better fit than Thomas defensively to match up with the Golden State Warriors in a possible NBA Finals rematch.
...
This incarnation of a trade would cost the Cavaliers in terms of luxury tax, however. It's possible a larger deal could be worked out that would send Channing Frye back to Phoenix and bring Troy Daniels to Cleveland with Bledsoe.

The bigger question, of course, is whether the Suns would prefer a deal that doesn't bring them any young point guard in return. They'd have to really like Zizic -- or wing Cedi Osman, who could be the young player in the trade instead -- to choose Cleveland as a partner.
note: other than the Cavs one he limited any talk about tossing in picks into the write-up since there's a lot of moving parts to that kind of thing

I kinda like the Nuggets deal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on October 27, 2017, 03:46:11 AM
to be clear: I don't think Cousins is going back to Sac. I think its just very awkward that the Kings GM liked a fan tweet suggesting it could happen.  May even fall under tampering clause.

Bledsoe on the Nuggets makes sense. I don't know if Phnx has any interest in Mudiay.

I think Faried would be very good on a different playoff contender but is awkward in Denver.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Marhunchy on October 27, 2017, 05:55:48 AM
it's partially related, but people shitting on the old MECCA court painting last night destroyed my will to live  :stahp
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 27, 2017, 06:52:10 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 27, 2017, 03:24:49 AM
I kinda like the Nuggets deal.
i really like the nuggets deal. Faried is long overdue for a change of scenery and mudiay is poop
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: eleuin on October 27, 2017, 09:08:40 PM
Spurs getting absolutely waxed by the Magic rn

ORL are lowkey good this year wtf
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 27, 2017, 09:19:49 PM
It took them 3 years to figure out Gordon should be playing the 4; his shot also looks way improved. Fournier continues to be one of the most underrated players in the league and vooch has always been productive. Simmons is a decent piece and Isaac is gonna be solid.

The magic have always had talent they’ve just had terrible management wrt personnel and some of the worst coaching in the league over the past 5 years. Vogel is competent enough for the east :yeshrug
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 27, 2017, 09:24:29 PM
Also, if he wasn’t garbage, hezonja would be super popular. He’s white, good looking enough, and has legendary asshole soundbites
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on October 28, 2017, 01:48:37 AM
i'm going to give the wiz a pass for my sanity

the game would've been different if we had our 4s; we were abused to hell on the boards and matchups. you can't match stretch 4s like oubre/porter with the likes of looney/west and randle/nance 30+ minutes a game. we need morris, badly. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on October 28, 2017, 06:57:07 PM
Seems the Josh Smith experience may debut for the Pellies tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on October 28, 2017, 09:01:23 PM
Cousins and Davis torching the Cavs right now. Lebron probably pissed at the Cavs rebounding effort.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 29, 2017, 01:33:59 AM
So yeah... Lue, you are fucking up.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2017, 05:24:44 AM
Quote
Rick Carlisle on Joel Embiid: “You have to be careful what you show in pregame edits, or you might scare the s— out of your team.”
:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on October 29, 2017, 06:01:23 PM
https://twitter.com/MarcJSpearsESPN/status/924757222248169472

trust that the process may never end
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2017, 12:39:14 AM
might explain why he couldn't hit a shot to save his life
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Nola on October 30, 2017, 02:18:27 AM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4UKOPepMIw
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2017, 02:33:07 PM
How Fultz got cleared to play is beyond me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Syph on October 30, 2017, 02:39:30 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2017, 02:33:07 PM
How Fultz got cleared to play is beyond me.
trust the process doctors...??
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Momo on October 31, 2017, 01:11:18 PM
I havent watched NBA since penny hardaway and shaq were at the orlando magic, watched a bit of celtic vs spurs and liked it, but fuck is nba league pass expensive
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: agrajag on October 31, 2017, 01:27:37 PM
Quote from: Momo on October 31, 2017, 01:11:18 PM
I havent watched NBA since penny hardaway and shaq were at the orlando magic, watched a bit of celtic vs spurs and liked it, but fuck is nba league pass expensive

 :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on October 31, 2017, 02:05:26 PM
https://twitter.com/TonyXypteras/status/925420456722788352

still one of the weirdest things I've seen at a NBA game
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 31, 2017, 02:38:36 PM
Quote from: Momo on October 31, 2017, 01:11:18 PM
I havent watched NBA since penny hardaway and shaq were at the orlando magic, watched a bit of celtic vs spurs and liked it, but fuck is nba league pass expensive

There use to be a mobile version that was cheaper that you could buy through itunes and such. Not sure if that still exists or not.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 01, 2017, 08:48:52 PM
Watching the Cavs play is infuriating...
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 01, 2017, 09:21:38 PM
So bad. The defense is wretched. Kevin Love is one of the worst defensive players ever.

The offensive is bland, predictable garbage.

I knew Kyrie was good but I had no idea without him, the effect would be that this team looks wretchedly old, and slow.

It's really bad. These games aren't close. These teams are beating them wire to wire. And by good margins. And on the road.

Lue really is in danger of being fired even this early.

/end rant
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 02, 2017, 01:53:46 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0GEytWb06Y
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on November 02, 2017, 02:06:44 AM
is league pass broadband still shit? it's been some years since I had it, but think I remember it starting to actually improve the last year I had it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 03, 2017, 10:14:13 PM
Took a super human effort from Lebron to drag them to a win.

57 points.

Quote
James shot 23-for-34 from the field, 9-for-9 from the free throw line and added a game-high 11 rebounds as well as seven assists. The 23 made field goals were a career high.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7KRESF5BM4&t=13s
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Tektonic on November 04, 2017, 12:36:54 AM
Quote from: filler on November 02, 2017, 02:06:44 AM
is league pass broadband still shit? it's been some years since I had it, but think I remember it starting to actually improve the last year I had it.

highest res is 720p, i think only 30fps. I ended up buying through vpn... sad that "pirated" streams is better quality than the official.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2017, 04:57:16 AM
When does IT come back? Seems like the Cavs will be fine when he's added.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 04, 2017, 04:06:54 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2017, 04:57:16 AM
When does IT come back? Seems like the Cavs will be fine when he's added.

No one knows. Most guess it won't be until after the new year.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 04, 2017, 04:12:53 PM
Cousins is having a monster year. I want to see the Pels push for a playoff spot so I can watch the NBA 'experts' who ran with the narrative explain how Boogie makes a team work despite that team being about 3 players deep. (And JRue has been awful this year.)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on November 05, 2017, 06:05:18 PM
Quote from: El Babua on October 22, 2017, 03:08:18 PM
Heat look like a team that will end every game by either being up or down a score.

Not wrong lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Tektonic on November 06, 2017, 02:44:33 AM
Porzingis is the greatest Knick ever.. Discuss
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 06, 2017, 12:18:08 PM
Philly has sorta fucked over Okafor. KP added off the dribble stuff to his game that wasn't as well known at the time of the draft.

People are kindly forgetting that every Philly pick and player was asked to lose coming in until the year Hinkie got ousted and Embiid/Saric could finally see the court.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2017, 03:23:53 PM
It's funny how many teams are rumored to actually want Okafor yet the Sixers don't want to play him off the bench to showcase him as potentially one of those no-D scorers who wreck opposing benches like Maresse Speights or whatever. It's not like they have any other centers. Just stick him out there for the 20 minutes Embiid sits and flank him with shooters and ballhandlers which he hasn't played with. Or get really nuts and play Okafor-Embiid-Saric-Simmons-Covington to start the second half or fourth quarter of games just to watch other teams panic for a couple weeks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Tektonic on November 07, 2017, 06:46:43 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on November 06, 2017, 03:23:53 PM
It's funny how many teams are rumored to actually want Okafor yet the Sixers don't want to play him off the bench to showcase him as potentially one of those no-D scorers who wreck opposing benches like Maresse Speights or whatever. It's not like they have any other centers. Just stick him out there for the 20 minutes Embiid sits and flank him with shooters and ballhandlers which he hasn't played with. Or get really nuts and play Okafor-Embiid-Saric-Simmons-Covington to start the second half or fourth quarter of games just to watch other teams panic for a couple weeks.

he can't be a blackhole on both ends of the floor. but nope, they are just going to let him sit. poor guy must have 0 to none confidence.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 07, 2017, 12:31:42 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/927949497711386625

Interesting. Decent haul for Phoenix considering the situation.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 08, 2017, 03:09:23 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IaZIIMbfag
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on November 08, 2017, 03:21:02 AM
https://twitter.com/netw3rk/status/928142716231286785
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 12, 2017, 10:23:28 AM
https://twitter.com/espn/status/929723526793310208
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 13, 2017, 09:08:01 PM
https://twitter.com/PeterVecsey1/status/930242659922391040

in case it gets deleted:

@PeterVecsey1
Like Kanter is gonna 2B intimidated by LeBron, guy who stood up 2 Tayyip Erdogan. Imagine him being scared of a n*****who breathes the same air as him
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 13, 2017, 10:02:08 PM
Knicks collapse in the 4th.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 15, 2017, 10:36:05 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21416450/kristaps-porzingis-says-new-york-knicks-more-confidence-jeff-hornacek-offense-season

Man they just can't wait to shit on Phil.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 16, 2017, 12:48:36 AM
Embiid going off.

Ball can't get off the bench.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 16, 2017, 02:15:25 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aCBslaciZM
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on November 16, 2017, 02:47:52 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 15, 2017, 10:36:05 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21416450/kristaps-porzingis-says-new-york-knicks-more-confidence-jeff-hornacek-offense-season

Man they just can't wait to shit on Phil.
So? Other than his scout finding good draft picks, he was a terrible GM.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 16, 2017, 07:57:55 PM
I didn't mean it as a defense of him.


Celts versus Warriors in like 30 minutes
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 16, 2017, 10:41:42 PM
Until that big 3rd quarter run it looked like it was going to be an easy win for Golden State. Celts defense is legit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 16, 2017, 10:57:02 PM
I think it’s more like golden state pissed the game away by shooting like poop. The looks they were getting were fine just weren’t falling
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 17, 2017, 09:56:28 AM
https://streamable.com/ys03p
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 17, 2017, 08:00:58 PM
He's right, they didn't hold them to 94 points!

I've always found Chuck's "broader" takes better than his more specific ones. He admits he doesn't really watch the games, Kenny's really always been the one who takes it seriously. Chuck's still better than Shaq usually.

Chris Webber was still one of their better guys they had on, always hate that they let him go for Shaq even if that's an obvious move. "Players Only" on Tuesdays on NBA TV is kinda entertaining even if Greg Anthony is terrible, Webber's a good host especially when they do the segments with Isiah, McHale and Steve Smith because a bit of his 80s fanboyism comes out and it'll start to bring Smith out of his shell. Apparently that's going to move over to TNT starting in January. Worst part of it is arguably whenever they say something they recorded for 2K and I get triggered.

Also I like the weird part where they're all in the same studio even while calling the game, but Dennis Scott is sent to all the game locations to report from the sidelines. Like nobody wants him there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 17, 2017, 08:03:27 PM
CWebb is good, but sometimes his color commentary screams "I got lit before this game".
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 17, 2017, 08:39:37 PM
Players only is rad. Just having a couple dudes shooting the bull watching the game not trying to detail everything happening in front of them on the court and not afraid to to call a player trash makes it a million times better than any normal broadcast crew sans Walton. I’m worried it’ll turn more conventional as the season progresses
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 17, 2017, 09:18:22 PM
My second favorite running subplot is when Greg Anthony starts talking like he was an all-star or anything beyond a backup on a contender, and everybody else kinda tunes him out. Webber totally asked Isiah to talk about the same topic Anthony just finished rambling about a couple weeks ago as if Anthony never happened. :lol

Other cool thing is seeing Isiah actually get into it and involve everybody like a point guard, he was so bad the first time he did the broadcasting rounds years ago inbetween bankrupting the CBA/coaching/GM/coaching stints but now he'll pull McHale or Webber or Smitty into his answer or whatever to enrich it. Or get a whole conversation going beyond just the original question/topic.

Speaking of "players only shows" (?) though I only catch it on YouTube, and even if Snoop showed up and seemed like he wasn't high but 75 years old, KG's improved on Area 21. I think the extended 2008 Celtics reunion episode really helped him with that as he's asking better questions, letting people talk and doing less shoutouts about every single person he names or getting distracted by random things. Candace Parker was on that Snoop episode and KG kinda caught her off guard by actually asking her specifically about the WNBA, especially how they're doing the playoffs now (seeding teams regardless of conference, starting with single elimination first rounds, reseeding after each round) and what she thought about that keeping rivalries for the biggest games of the season and he seemed legitimately interested though she clearly didn't expect to be asked such a question with Snoop sitting next to her lol. I still want Sheed to be his permanent cohost and always dressed like a bum though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 17, 2017, 09:49:15 PM
JWill would not come out of his shell when KG had him on.

A three headed monster of KG, Payton and Sheed would be nice.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 18, 2017, 12:48:38 AM
The Clippers are 1-9 in their last 10.

Team most likely to get blown up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 20, 2017, 11:18:43 PM
https://twitter.com/cjzero/status/932822887022714882
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 21, 2017, 03:22:09 AM
This is pretty good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sawUNiCKFA

But it's not The King:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtLfHM7-sos
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 21, 2017, 07:01:54 AM
http://www.espn.com/esports/story/_/id/21475314/golden-state-warriors-cleveland-cavaliers-houston-rockets-officially-enter-league-legends-championship-series
Quote
Three NBA franchises will be taking their talents from the hardwood to the virtual world of League of Legends this January, confirming earlier reports by ESPN. Riot Games announced Monday the 10 franchises to compete in the upcoming 2018 North American League Championship Series, including the three teams backed by some of the biggest names in basketball: the Houston Rockets, Cleveland Cavaliers and defending NBA champion Golden State Warriors.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 21, 2017, 08:37:51 PM
Milsap out a likely three months for wrist surgery. Clippers look like they're setting up to implode and cash out their roster.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 22, 2017, 12:23:14 AM
I know Lonzo is a rookie playing on a bad team. And in 5 years none of this may matter. But his offense is just

 :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on November 22, 2017, 01:39:03 AM
Quote from: etiolate on November 18, 2017, 12:48:38 AM
The Clippers are 1-9 in their last 10.

Team most likely to get blown up.

They've been playing without their starting guards for most of that stretch, I think Beverly just got back but Teodosic is still out awhile. Galinari was probably hurt and I forgot about it as well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on November 22, 2017, 01:50:42 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on November 21, 2017, 07:01:54 AM
http://www.espn.com/esports/story/_/id/21475314/golden-state-warriors-cleveland-cavaliers-houston-rockets-officially-enter-league-legends-championship-series
Quote
Three NBA franchises will be taking their talents from the hardwood to the virtual world of League of Legends this January, confirming earlier reports by ESPN. Riot Games announced Monday the 10 franchises to compete in the upcoming 2018 North American League Championship Series, including the three teams backed by some of the biggest names in basketball: the Houston Rockets, Cleveland Cavaliers and defending NBA champion Golden State Warriors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvoYY2lpETs&t=96s
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 22, 2017, 01:53:01 AM
Gallinari has been out since the start of November and won't be back until December. He has a strained buttocks. "Really."

Until Beverly came back they were starting something called a Sindarius Thornwell and relying on Griffin to be their primary play initiator with Rivers as backup until Lou Williams comes in the game. It's tanked Griffin's shooting.

It's actually amazing how good their offense still ranks considering Rivers is a complete disaster, Wesley Johnson is Wesley Johnson, and their gaggle of young guys they were hoping could shoot some have been even worse.

It kinda makes the Jordan/Reed offensive productions lack of drop off from last season remarkable. Since a lot of people just assumed Paul was driving much of that for Jordan. Reed's just building off the step he took last season in Miami of cutting out everything except shots he can make and then going nuts with it. Tyson Chandler being one of the great all-time examples after he got away from Chicago who kept trying to make him a sometimes small forward.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 22, 2017, 05:38:36 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/933375558624391168


edit: ESPN now saying he's out for the season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on November 22, 2017, 10:21:22 PM
Yeah I saw the Beverly stuff this morning and said, "so much for that post I made last night."

They finally won tonight, but this feels like a team that's going to get blown up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 23, 2017, 12:13:24 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5gH6jXRNvM
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 26, 2017, 12:26:04 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21540075/derrick-rose-away-cleveland-cavaliers-evaluating-future-nba

Unfortunate career.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 27, 2017, 08:16:04 AM
That's the unspoken thing about leg injuries. You compensate for them and put undue stress on other parts of your body and they wear out faster than they normally would.

I'll guarantee Rose will have to have hip surgeries later in his life.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 27, 2017, 04:29:10 PM
Last Night

Quote
Gasol's reaction after being benched in the 4th: "At the end of the day, I'm as competitive as anybody. I hate not playing, that's what I value most. If I'm not on the floor, that means I'm not valued. I'm sure they knew that would hurt me the most..I'm sure they wouldn't do it to Mike."

And Today

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/935257787717836801
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 27, 2017, 09:07:25 PM
As bad as the cavs looked early in the season, they look good now. Lebron is having another killer season in year 15. Leading league in per.

Wade seems comfortable now in leading the second unit. Defense effort seems increased.

And all with a lot of guys still hurt.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on November 28, 2017, 01:40:28 AM
Clippers are super done now:

https://twitter.com/Rachel__Nichols/status/935393588749332481

NSFL
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Syph on November 28, 2017, 01:47:00 AM
wow
what a year for injuries in sports
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 28, 2017, 07:31:26 PM
Expected two months at least for Blake.

Ausitn Rivers tank commander.

Good news is that we'll finally see some new teams in the Western Playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 28, 2017, 07:50:33 PM
Unfortunate for Blake but probably good for the clips. They were only delaying the inevitable rebuild.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 28, 2017, 08:59:58 PM
This was a post-career meltdown I didn't see coming:
Quote
Former NBA star Ben Gordon was arrested Saturday in Los Angeles on a felony robbery charge, the latest in a recent string of troubling incidents.

Gordon, 34, was accused of punching the manager of a downtown apartment complex where he is renting, pulling a knife on the man and taking money that Gordon said was his security deposit.

He spent the weekend in jail and was released on $50,000 bail early Tuesday.

On Nov. 20, Gordon was arrested in Manhattan for driving with a forged license plate. He was given a ticket and a court date to settle that matter.

In late October, he was ordered to undergo a psychiatric evaluation after an incident with a woman in a store he owns in Mount Vernon, New York. Police summoned by the woman found Gordon locked in the bathroom of the store. The woman told police that they had gotten into an argument and he had become physical, throwing and destroying things and then locking her in the store. The store, Of Our Own, is a center for sports rehabilitation and recovery.

In June, Gordon was arrested in Los Angeles for pulling fire alarms at his apartment building when there was no indication of a fire.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 28, 2017, 09:01:09 PM
Quote from: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21589757/nba-more-bricks-better-marcus-smart-celtics
Call it the Marcus Smart paradox.

The Boston Celtics' backup guard is among the NBA's worst shooters this season -- connecting on just 31.2 percent of shots overall -- and yet the team's offense is decidedly better when he's on the floor. The more shots that Smart misses in a game, the more Boston's win probability seems to grow.

Consider this: When Smart shoots 30 percent or worse from the field in a game this season, the Celtics are 11-0. When he shoots better than 30 percent, Boston is a mere 5-4.

While more pronounced this season, this does not appear to be happenstance. Smart's career winning percentage in games he shoots sub-30 percent is .641. That winning percentage drops to .598 in games he shoots better than 30 percent.
:lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on November 29, 2017, 12:45:47 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on November 28, 2017, 09:01:09 PM
Quote from: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21589757/nba-more-bricks-better-marcus-smart-celtics
Call it the Marcus Smart paradox.

The Boston Celtics' backup guard is among the NBA's worst shooters this season -- connecting on just 31.2 percent of shots overall -- and yet the team's offense is decidedly better when he's on the floor. The more shots that Smart misses in a game, the more Boston's win probability seems to grow.

Consider this: When Smart shoots 30 percent or worse from the field in a game this season, the Celtics are 11-0. When he shoots better than 30 percent, Boston is a mere 5-4.

While more pronounced this season, this does not appear to be happenstance. Smart's career winning percentage in games he shoots sub-30 percent is .641. That winning percentage drops to .598 in games he shoots better than 30 percent.
:lawd

Someone needs to get LaVar Ball some of that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 29, 2017, 07:53:59 PM
https://twitter.com/DarnellMayberry/status/936028103138271233

rip russ
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 29, 2017, 10:22:15 PM
I need to start watching some of their games. Curious as to why they are struggling like they are.

I thought they got so many steals in the off-season, they were going to be legit.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 29, 2017, 10:27:43 PM
https://streamable.com/umcia

 :leon
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on November 29, 2017, 10:31:36 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 29, 2017, 10:22:15 PM
I need to start watching some of their games. Curious as to why they are struggling like they are.

I thought they got so many steals in the off-season, they were going to be legit.

They don't have an offensive system is best I can tell.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 30, 2017, 01:12:46 AM
tough loss for Lakers. Ingram was balling.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on November 30, 2017, 01:14:34 AM
no dacos
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 30, 2017, 03:59:10 PM
Forgot to mention last night that Lonzo needs to change that jumpshot. It's ridiculous.

It takes forever.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Nola on November 30, 2017, 04:10:19 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on November 28, 2017, 09:01:09 PM
Quote from: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21589757/nba-more-bricks-better-marcus-smart-celtics
Call it the Marcus Smart paradox.

The Boston Celtics' backup guard is among the NBA's worst shooters this season -- connecting on just 31.2 percent of shots overall -- and yet the team's offense is decidedly better when he's on the floor. The more shots that Smart misses in a game, the more Boston's win probability seems to grow.

Consider this: When Smart shoots 30 percent or worse from the field in a game this season, the Celtics are 11-0. When he shoots better than 30 percent, Boston is a mere 5-4.

While more pronounced this season, this does not appear to be happenstance. Smart's career winning percentage in games he shoots sub-30 percent is .641. That winning percentage drops to .598 in games he shoots better than 30 percent.
:lawd

I wonder if it is one of those things where Smart feels the confidence to take more shots(and bad shots at that) when Boston is winning games? Like when you put in scrubs that are taking ridiculous circus shots because they are up 15 points in the last few minutes of a game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Syph on November 30, 2017, 04:12:13 PM
very entertaining game
unlucky for lakers they couldn't hit that last shot in regulation, and that beside the missed free throw, the warriors shot 100% in OT lol
chef curry

on another note, apparently lavar ball sent trump some shoes in an effort to bury the hatchet haha
 :trumps
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 01, 2017, 03:12:38 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 29, 2017, 10:22:15 PM
I need to start watching some of their games. Curious as to why they are struggling like they are.

I thought they got so many steals in the off-season, they were going to be legit.
Their expected record is inverse of their actual one: 12-8. (We'd expect a team that wins by their average to hit 50 wins over a full season.)

They're winning by their defense though, in part because despite the odd looking lineups from an offensive perspective they can basically always switch defensively, they're 3rd in the league. 21st on offense.

The Big Three's ORtgs are kinda nuts considering everything we assume about usage and efficiency:
Westbrook: 103 (2016-17: 112, Career: 109)
Carmelo: 106 (2016-17: 108, Career: 108)
George: 106 (2016-17: 109, Career: 106)

Alex Abrines, Patrick Patterson and Josh Huestis have done a lot of damage too, 103, 98 and 78 ORtgs, and even though they only play 10-15 minutes a game, with the Big Three also league average or worse and the fact that Andre Roberson can't really shoot outside of three feet, that really kills them. They look like they have spacing problems like the Nets did when they assembled a team full of guys who all shot from the same areas. Melo's never been a three point bomber and George isn't being able to get to the line as much without the ball. Westbrook's oddly tanked to 72% at the line. George is also down to 81%.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
The obvious comparison is Miami's first year, but that team won 58 games (expected: 61-21) and ripped through the East to the Finals with a 3rd ranked offense.
LeBron: 116 (2009-10: 121, Career to that point: 114)
Wade: 114 (2009-10: 113, Career to that point: 111)
Bosh: 115 (2009-10: 117, Career to that point: 113)
[close]
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 02, 2017, 01:38:28 AM
Pels have lost 3 in a row. They need to get back on track. They were playing really well when Rondo came back. Jameer and Miller were just enough bench production for them. Defense has fallen off lately though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 02, 2017, 01:45:38 AM
Depends on if Davis plays. A part of them losing is that AD hasn't finished the past two games. Got ejected vs the TWolves and hurt vs Jazz.

Though Cousins has put up huge numbers against the Blazers in the past.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 02, 2017, 02:18:13 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/zgoqcit.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 02, 2017, 02:35:37 AM
Korver's number is pretty impressive too considering how many years he came off the bench playing only like 20 mpg. Basically everyone else on the list was a starter for ten years plus and played 40+ mpg in many seasons.

Korver, Curry and J.R. Smith are the only guys in the top 15 under 30,000 minutes. Korver, Curry, Billups, Smith, Dirk and Rashard Lewis are the only guys under 5000 attempts. Curry is the only one under 4700 attempts.

Korver and Curry are the only ones over 40% too. Ray Allen is at exactly 40%.

James Harden will probably get into that top ten soon at his pace the last couple years. Klay Thompson might have an outside shot at surpassing everyone if he stays healthy and keeps up his pace and accuracy and plays until he's 40 like the top three did. Assuming Curry and Harden don't do the same obviously.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 02, 2017, 02:55:00 AM
The history of the three pointer has always had a fascination to me. When you consider that guys like West, Barry, and Maravich all regularly shot from out there but didn't have the line. And even after it was introduced nobody used it really, not even great three point shooters (winning the contest and all) we think of like Bird who rarely averaged even an attempt a game, until they moved the line in and then everyone started jacking em and made just enough to keep jacking em like Barkley and at the same time Glen Rice made himself into a superstar from it alone, Dennis Scott set all kinds of records, then the line moved back out and it quieted down for a little while but every good team by 2002 or so seemed to have at least one good scoring bomber to space the floor. 3 and D guys started to proliferate as an archetype, etc.

Yet it still had this stigma attached to it where pundits were siding with Phil when he was taking shots at the Warriors their first year under Kerr. Now every other major big seems to have at least a passable shot from out there. Even guys who didn't have one for their first six years in the league. Serge Ibaka's made this hilarious transformation from like a younger Horace Grant type into putting up numbers that look like they belong to a small forward. 44% of his attempts this year have come from three point land. He took six total in his first three seasons. The weirdest part is how it seems to have taken half his shot blocking away too which makes no sense. That started in OKC too, though the three point jacking really took off in Toronto.

Each of the last five seasons Curry has made more three pointers than anyone even attempted in a season until 1988.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 02, 2017, 07:48:01 AM
Wizards announced their G-League team:
https://twitter.com/CapitalCityGoGo/status/936757373917679617
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 02, 2017, 08:03:21 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on December 02, 2017, 07:48:01 AM
Wizards announced their G-League team:

That's actually baller as fuck.

Long Live Trouble Funk!

 :aah
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 02, 2017, 08:07:40 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on December 02, 2017, 02:55:00 AM
3 point stuff

I often try to explain/argue to my brother why the 3 pointer is important in today's game and the effect it has on spacing and what is considered a good shot and such but he is so old school, he can't really understand it, (or is unwilling to)

The Phil Jackson's and the Barkley types can't seem to understand that the game currently is not the same game they played. That doesn't take away from what they did. The game has just evolved into a different form because of the rule changes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on December 02, 2017, 10:17:10 PM
nugs retiring fat lever's jersey tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 02, 2017, 10:33:34 PM
http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/nba-nerlens-noel-hot-dog-media-room-halftime-mavericks-clippers/5axasptdtfdo1fwvrvb8eleyg
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 02, 2017, 11:34:25 PM
Cousins destroying Blazers early on.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 07, 2017, 06:28:00 PM
Quote
Nets get: Center Jahlil Okafor, guard Nik Stauskas, the Knicks' 2019 second-round pick

76ers get: Forward Trevor Booker
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 07, 2017, 07:45:18 PM
Lebron is low key having his best year ever.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 07, 2017, 07:49:34 PM
One of his most effecient. He gets 30 points on less than 15 shots.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 07, 2017, 11:57:26 PM
https://streamable.com/t5m10
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Syph on December 08, 2017, 12:29:02 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 07, 2017, 11:57:26 PM
https://streamable.com/t5m10
beat me to it
BBB taking no losses  :win
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 08, 2017, 11:24:56 PM
Pacers are legit.

They ended the cavs streak tonight. 2nd time in a row they've beat the cavs.

Oladipo has a higher PER than Westbrook. He has been a revelation this season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 08, 2017, 11:42:28 PM
ya but those new uniforms tho

most people like em I guess :yeshrug

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They should go all out on a variant and put the players first and last name in a circle around the number on the back.
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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 09, 2017, 12:54:05 AM
https://streamable.com/dozy2

 :leon
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 09, 2017, 12:57:43 AM
Pels being lax on defense finally costs them a game they should have won. The Kings offense is the worst in the league, but the Pels were soft from the start.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 09, 2017, 01:08:48 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 09, 2017, 12:54:05 AM
https://streamable.com/dozy2

 :leon
totally cheating, look at his shoes, he's using turbo the entire time

shouldn't be allowed to do that just because it's your birthday and it's the Bulls
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 10, 2017, 09:07:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EkimhJRHmo
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 12, 2017, 11:39:11 PM
I don't especially like Shaq and especially on inside the nba. He's the reason I don't watch the show anymore. But that's just me.

 :larry

For me he threw off the fun balance because of how thin skinned he is.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 13, 2017, 10:16:09 PM
https://streamable.com/pjtv1

Boogie Smash
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 18, 2017, 09:38:15 PM
https://streamable.com/3lu3d

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MC30D0BYqE
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 18, 2017, 10:14:42 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/bkaiM2X.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 18, 2017, 11:52:19 PM
https://streamable.com/xa6te
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2017, 07:31:56 AM
Cavs apparently might actually use their G-League team by sending Isaiah Thomas down to practice with them and perhaps play in a game or two to test the waters before sticking him back into the NBA.

Pistons did this with Brandon Jennings a few years back and I've always wondered why teams don't do it more with injured guys if they want him to get some lower intensity reps in first. (Especially now that the rules on all of that have been relaxed.) I know one other team did it though I can't seem to find who now, because I remember the player had like 30 points in the first half just jacking threes and left at halftime.

While I'm rambling about the minor league, I wonder if anybody's ever begged to not be called up because the team was in the Finals or something. Back when they were showing games on Versus the Rockets or somebody called up one of their affiliates key players during the D-League playoffs one year and then never even played him. :lol

Maybe it was some weird form of punishment.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2017, 07:51:18 AM
Other random aside, I like spotting late 90's/early 2000's players as assistant coaches on the bench. Especially because a lot of them from the fan perspective seem kinda random. Roy Rogers on Houston is a top favorite.

If you count Luke Walton, the Lakers could put an entire lineup out there. The Pistons are one short. Maybe they could rent Corliss Williamson from the Magic.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on December 21, 2017, 01:12:42 AM
Danilo Galinari out until sometime in January because of course.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 21, 2017, 03:01:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ks52sgvkFk&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 21, 2017, 10:21:40 PM
I feel it should be noted that Michael Beasley is putting up 29 points off the bench against the Celtics.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on December 21, 2017, 10:58:27 PM
kyrie's elite defense
:neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 22, 2017, 10:39:29 PM
Austin Rivers just had a career game.

Harden has scored 50 back to back and lost both of them.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on December 22, 2017, 10:41:20 PM
Harden 51 points scored -11 +/-, how do you lose back to back games to the Lakers and Clippers this season.

How do you let Austin Rivers and Lou Williams combine for 70 points.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 22, 2017, 11:29:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOztvTZxf6g
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 23, 2017, 12:48:19 AM
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HOUSTON -- James Harden didn't care to discuss becoming the first player in more than a decade to score at least 50 points in back-to-back games, but he made his opinion about the officiating known after the Rockets' second consecutive loss.

Harden fouled out with 26.6 seconds remaining after scoring 51 points in Friday night's 128-118 loss to the LA Clippers. He then was ejected after a testy exchange with referee Pat Fraher.

Asked the source of his frustration, Harden said, "Bulls--- calls."

Harden was called for four of his six fouls in the final 5:13 as the Rockets attempted to rally. He was twice whistled for offensive fouls late, one of which prompted coach Mike D'Antoni to draw a technical foul for arguing with 2:20 remaining.

"I'm tired of hearing, 'I made a mistake,' or 'I didn't see it,'" said Harden, who also scored 51 points Wednesday against the Los Angeles Lakers, who snapped Houston's 14-game winning streak. "That's frustrating when you hear it as a player. I know we all make mistakes, but it's just frustrating."
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: agrajag on December 23, 2017, 12:51:39 AM
Quote from: etiolate on December 21, 2017, 10:21:40 PM
I feel it should be noted that Michael Beasley is putting up 29 points off the bench against the Celtics.

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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on December 23, 2017, 01:00:13 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 23, 2017, 12:48:19 AM
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HOUSTON -- James Harden didn't care to discuss becoming the first player in more than a decade to score at least 50 points in back-to-back games, but he made his opinion about the officiating known after the Rockets' second consecutive loss.

Harden fouled out with 26.6 seconds remaining after scoring 51 points in Friday night's 128-118 loss to the LA Clippers. He then was ejected after a testy exchange with referee Pat Fraher.

Asked the source of his frustration, Harden said, "Bulls--- calls."

Harden was called for four of his six fouls in the final 5:13 as the Rockets attempted to rally. He was twice whistled for offensive fouls late, one of which prompted coach Mike D'Antoni to draw a technical foul for arguing with 2:20 remaining.

"I'm tired of hearing, 'I made a mistake,' or 'I didn't see it,'" said Harden, who also scored 51 points Wednesday against the Los Angeles Lakers, who snapped Houston's 14-game winning streak. "That's frustrating when you hear it as a player. I know we all make mistakes, but it's just frustrating."

You mean the guy whose game is practically predicated on drawing ticky tack fouls is upset about officiating? I guess Chris Paul is really having an impact on the Rockets.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 24, 2017, 02:21:25 AM
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Morey and D'Antoni expected some early awkwardness. They thought Paul would need time to absorb the freedom and pace of D'Antoni's offense. Even role players do. In one of Raja Bell's first games under D'Antoni in Phoenix, he bricked a catch-and-shoot 3 early in the shot clock and sheepishly asked his coach: "Was that a bad shot?" the two recall. D'Antoni answered with a question: "Did you think you were gonna make it, Raja?" Bell did. "Make it next time, and it'll be a good shot," D'Antoni concluded.
coaching :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 25, 2017, 06:44:51 PM
https://twitter.com/espn/status/945437534108123137
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 25, 2017, 08:02:34 PM
(http://a2.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2017%2F1224%2FUTAHJERSEY.PNG&w=570)
(http://a4.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2017%2F1224%2Fjazzcourt.PNG&w=570)

 :whoo
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 25, 2017, 09:12:24 PM
That shit is hot
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 27, 2017, 12:47:22 PM
https://news.nike.com/news/nike-nba-city-edition-uniform
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 27, 2017, 02:47:26 PM
The cream Bucks jersey is nice.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: agrajag on December 27, 2017, 04:31:57 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSERG5xXcAA1bDO.jpg)

 :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on December 27, 2017, 04:43:58 PM
miami won
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 28, 2017, 12:31:15 AM
Vince Carter just schooled the Cavs wings.

Also

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSHCYNZVwAA7OAp.jpg:small)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 28, 2017, 03:05:21 AM
The Cavs defense is hot garbage.

The offense is predictable but high level but it doesn't work against the one team it needs to work against. The Warriors. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 28, 2017, 01:25:53 PM
I think it's mostly effort. When they have those garbage nights they look so fucking slow out there.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on December 28, 2017, 02:58:56 PM
i'm still fuming over our loss to atlanta

fuck the wizards
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 28, 2017, 03:19:17 PM
The Cavs should have been going to Kevin Love for the entire fourth. They shored up their D in the game by trapping Bogdan (who was killing them), but then Vince dad dicked them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on December 28, 2017, 03:33:21 PM
and i've been too busy fuming to realize the cavs lost to the kings

which makes me even more angry that we couldn't follow up our win over boston against the worst team in the nba on a night where toronto, indiana and cleveland lost



it was there for the taking! fuck the wizards
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 28, 2017, 05:10:25 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on December 28, 2017, 01:25:53 PM
I think it's mostly effort. When they have those garbage nights they look so fucking slow out there.
Some of it is definitely effort as they have a second gear they can turn on, but they also have a bunch of legit bad defenders out there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 28, 2017, 10:39:53 PM
Harden just melted down and cost his team the game.

 :neogaf

Rockets were leading by 26 at one point.

 :gurl
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 28, 2017, 10:55:53 PM
https://streamable.com/b9fe0
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on December 28, 2017, 11:11:12 PM
clutch trolling
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on December 28, 2017, 11:12:59 PM
oh man, we're fucked
 :fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Syph on December 28, 2017, 11:19:46 PM
crazy ending
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 31, 2017, 01:11:51 AM
JR smith use to be a pretty good defender. Now he's got lead in his boots. Everybody blows by him like nothing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 01, 2018, 09:00:34 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21934542/cleveland-cavaliers-star-isaiah-thomas-make-season-debut-tuesday
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 02, 2018, 09:08:52 PM
Isaiah Thomas looked good tonight. 16 points in 19 minutes.

Doesn't fix their defensive problems but offense gets even better.

https://streamable.com/cv1sa
https://streamable.com/hcyeg
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 03, 2018, 07:59:36 AM
https://streamable.com/bv8hi

#NBAOfficiating
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 03, 2018, 08:38:26 PM
Cavs give up their usual 30+ points in the first quarter against the Celts.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 03, 2018, 10:15:08 PM
Celtics make the Cavs look like the old and slow team they are.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2018, 11:21:43 PM
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-the-most-efficient-scorer-in-nba-history-is-stuck-on-the-bench/

#FREEBOBAN
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 04, 2018, 11:29:09 PM
Yeah those big slow footed inside only giants don't work anymore. They just get pulled out of the paint and then get abused with quickness.

Look at how quickly Roy Hibbert became obsolete.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 05, 2018, 02:16:13 AM
MELOL

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/949163650492829696

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 06, 2018, 10:00:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSDRbHUONgs&app=desktop
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 08, 2018, 10:49:45 PM
the media going nuts over lavar ball's comments about luke walton is funny because if they didn't report everything the dude says it wouldn't "make headlines" for them to spend all day talking about as some kind of national crisis
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on January 08, 2018, 10:54:28 PM
https://twitter.com/FallonSmithNBCS/status/950544882031931392

https://twitter.com/Con_Chron/status/950545314666004480
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 08, 2018, 11:24:42 PM
I mean the bottle has already been uncorked for bullshit sports media. Or bullshit traditional media for that matter. You can't put the genie back in the bottle. Not that I don't sympathize.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 10, 2018, 08:32:25 PM
https://streamable.com/n0zwt
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: agrajag on January 10, 2018, 09:21:13 PM
Finally Heat is not steaming hot garbage
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 12, 2018, 02:18:03 AM
Quote from: agrajag on January 10, 2018, 09:21:13 PM
Finally Heat is not steaming hot garbage
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22017334/zach-lowe-goran-dragic-hassan-whiteside-miami-heat-nba
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 12, 2018, 02:18:54 AM
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Forward Stanley Johnson is one name that has come up in the Pistons’ conversations with other teams, per ESPN sources.

Opposing teams have come away with the impression that Johnson is available for the right return.
i love free future second round picks!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 12, 2018, 01:51:27 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/7pwv48/jj_redick_on_his_podcast_with_kyrie_irving_i_am/
https://streamable.com/7gz96


 :gurl

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 12, 2018, 01:54:43 PM
Also the Cavs are having their yearly meltdown where everybody freaks out about them and then they go on to the finals.

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I think its for real this time. Their defense is historically bad. They ain't making the finals.
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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: agrajag on January 12, 2018, 02:09:22 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 12, 2018, 02:18:03 AM
Quote from: agrajag on January 10, 2018, 09:21:13 PM
Finally Heat is not steaming hot garbage
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22017334/zach-lowe-goran-dragic-hassan-whiteside-miami-heat-nba

Unfortunately, as talented as Whiteside is in certain aspects of the game, he has very poor basketball IQ. I see a way higher upside in Bam Adebayo, I hope they keep him around and keep developing his skills.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 12, 2018, 06:43:49 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bd1iTJKAbkc/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on January 12, 2018, 11:38:09 PM
I disagree.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on January 13, 2018, 12:20:12 AM
Quote from: agrajag on January 12, 2018, 02:09:22 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 12, 2018, 02:18:03 AM
Quote from: agrajag on January 10, 2018, 09:21:13 PM
Finally Heat is not steaming hot garbage
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22017334/zach-lowe-goran-dragic-hassan-whiteside-miami-heat-nba

Unfortunately, as talented as Whiteside is in certain aspects of the game, he has very poor basketball IQ. I see a way higher upside in Bam Adebayo, I hope they keep him around and keep developing his skills.

Agreed on Bam

Also locking up J. Rich for the immediate future looks like a great decision. Especially now that he's stepping up as Dion's out for the calendar year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: agrajag on January 13, 2018, 12:32:30 AM
True, I really love the progress Richardson has made. Dare I say he may be a star player in the future?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Syph on January 13, 2018, 01:20:14 AM
LeBron needs help!  :heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on January 13, 2018, 01:39:28 AM
Quote from: KissVibes on January 12, 2018, 10:55:34 PM
John Wall and Bradly Beal are ruining the Wizards.

Neither of them are hungry enough, they don't have an ego between them, and and they refuse to excel because of it. John Wall is the best and fastest PG in the NBA (Fuck Curry and Fuck Russ) and Beal is a top 10, maybe even top 5 SG.

One of them needs to be traded so they both can be as great as they should.

lol the fuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on January 14, 2018, 12:37:46 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: agrajag on January 14, 2018, 12:41:04 PM
I'm kinda shook about Heat playing Bucks, but let's go!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: naff on January 14, 2018, 02:00:54 PM
Quote from: KissVibes on January 13, 2018, 06:04:40 PM
Bradly Beal shops at Zara. Zara! What multimillionaire does that? One that is too humble, too weak to get it done and elevate those around him.

 :dead

That is pretty bad.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on January 14, 2018, 02:09:29 PM
there's nothing wrong with mixing zara with some flash
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: agrajag on January 14, 2018, 02:44:39 PM
Whiteside playing well today
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on January 15, 2018, 02:11:58 PM
Benjis boy Anthony tolliver murking the hornets in this mall game :leon
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 15, 2018, 02:30:56 PM
Quote from: KissVibes on January 13, 2018, 06:04:40 PM
Ya'll know I'm right!

WIZARDS SHOULD BE MURDERING THE EAST, THESE SOFT-EGO DORKS ARE KILLING THE TEAM AND THEMSELVES.

John Wall tried to front when he was talking about showing Lonzo 'No Mercy' and he got clowned. Why? Because he didn't really feel it in his heart. These boys are too soft. The Drakes of Basketball.

Why can't Wall even get shoe deal anywhere when he's a top well-known player and has been trying since him and Adidas parted ways? Cause he doesn't have that killer instinct. Neither does Beal. They're dragging each-other down with their lack of energy and confidence. Bradly Beal shops at Zara. Zara! What multimillionaire does that? One that is too humble, too weak to get it done and elevate those around him.

THE MAGIC ALMOST BEAT THEM. THE MAGIC. THIS IS INSANITY.

Trade Wall to the Cavs or something. Send Beal to the Nets. One of them has to go so they can both be great.

Good points man. Would you like to trade both for Andre Drummond and Reggie Jackson?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 15, 2018, 08:07:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26zIR8IK1gY

 :comeon
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 16, 2018, 01:35:02 AM
https://twitter.com/abc7ashley/status/953148613303005184

https://twitter.com/ClipperholicsFS/status/953150976860590080

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/953153110356017152

 :dayum
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: agrajag on January 16, 2018, 01:46:50 AM
Like Harden would do anything without his buddies behind him


So, the bad news is that our winning streak was snapped. The good news is Cavs got spanked too, so we can still conceivably overtake them
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 16, 2018, 02:10:39 AM
NBA fights are decided by whoever gets the most teammates to grab them when they shout "HOLD ME BACK".

Except Boogie and ZBo, who actually truly scare the other players.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 16, 2018, 02:12:31 AM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/953162234733117441

SPECIAL OPS
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: agrajag on January 16, 2018, 02:25:24 AM
Quote from: etiolate on January 16, 2018, 02:10:39 AM
NBA fights are decided by whoever gets the most teammates to grab them when they shout "HOLD ME BACK".

Except Boogie and ZBo, who actually truly scare the other players.

James Johnson had a pro MMA fight I think
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Nola on January 16, 2018, 02:45:17 AM
Quote from: etiolate on January 16, 2018, 02:12:31 AM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/953162234733117441

SPECIAL OPS
https://twitter.com/sreekyshooter/status/953156124907225088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fsreekyshooter%2Fstatus%2F953156124907225088

https://twitter.com/DamianTrillard/status/953166066905104384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FDamianTrillard%2Fstatus%2F953166066905104384

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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 16, 2018, 05:16:02 AM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on January 15, 2018, 02:11:58 PM
Benjis boy Anthony tolliver murking the hornets in this mall game :leon
162 of his 200 attempts this year are threes :lawd

though SVG still seems to entirely ignore that he'll go a month jacking them up at 20% before suddenly hitting 80% for three games or so, neither the Knicks nor SVG seemed to remember he was on the court because all he was doing is throwing up bricks every three minutes

FREE BOBAN

AND ELLENSON

AND FIND OUT IF LEUER IS DEAD SOMEWHERE
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 16, 2018, 02:17:36 PM
Leuer was very good last year and year before in Phx. What happened to him?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 16, 2018, 08:04:10 PM
https://twitter.com/MickstapeShow/status/953432121716199430

yo whats up with this fighting business
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 17, 2018, 12:20:27 AM
https://twitter.com/AntDavis23/status/953482807447359488

Rondo :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on January 17, 2018, 01:46:49 AM
you do realize that prob more than half the nba shops at zara?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on January 17, 2018, 02:23:47 AM
:badass
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 17, 2018, 03:53:08 PM
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Stephen A. Smith says that if the Cavaliers were to make a trade for Anthony Davis, they would become favorites to win the NBA championship over the Warriors.
:ohhh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 17, 2018, 04:29:05 PM
What if they made a trade for Steph Curry?

mindsplode
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 17, 2018, 04:35:36 PM
The Pels are interesting because they don't fit the narrative the press had for them, so the press has largely ignored them. Even decent guys like BBallbreakdown admitted to not watching their games and uttered the bizarre claim that Jrue's defense was "meh". Press tend to only bring the Pels up to propose trading Boogie and Davis to the teams they want to cover.

NBA media only wants to pay attention to five teams, maybe seven tops. NY and LA end up two of those teams by default no matter how bad they are. There's always this element of resentment when a smaller market is in the playoff hunt. Lazy fucks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on January 17, 2018, 04:45:25 PM
if i'm not watching the wizards, i'm watching the pelicans

and okc to an extent
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Nola on January 17, 2018, 08:49:08 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 17, 2018, 03:53:08 PM
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Stephen A. Smith says that if the Cavaliers were to make a trade for Anthony Davis, they would become favorites to win the NBA championship over the Warriors.
:ohhh

The post-Boston hot takes today we're especially scorching. I think both of the videos on the ESPN Pelicans page were about where the Pels should trade Davis, nothing about the 45 he dropped in beating Boston yesterday.

On the one hand I can't blame them, until Cousins fell into their lap, they about managed to build around AD in the most anemic way possible, on the other hand, shut the fuck up about how the Pels are going to trade Davis for Terry Rozier or Kevin Love and Jose Calderon.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Nola on January 17, 2018, 09:53:24 PM
Today is also why the Pels only ever show up on the national TV radar when they play actual contenders....You show up and beat Boston and than put up 10 points in the 3rd quarter and lose to the Hawks.

Watching this franchise for 82 games should honestly be a qualifying question to diagnose masochistic-personality disorder.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Brehvolution on January 18, 2018, 11:35:44 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 17, 2018, 03:53:08 PM
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Stephen A. Smith says that if the Cavaliers were to make a trade for Anthony Davis, they would become favorites to win the NBA championship over the Warriors.
:ohhh

That's funny considering Davis would be hurt before the finals.  :dice
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 19, 2018, 05:57:00 PM
Kings should do Hill to Cleveland as long as it doesn't involve TT's contract and no picks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 20, 2018, 02:02:05 AM
Interesting new name popped up tonight after a few weeks of nothing much in the rumor column except for Stephen A's silliness:
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Overloaded with bad contracts and untradeable assets, the Charlotte Hornets have made All-Star point guard Kemba Walker available in trade discussions, league sources told ESPN.
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The Hornets had already made available Nicolas Batum (four years, $100 million), Dwight Howard (two years, $47 million), Marvin Williams (three years, $42 million) and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (three years, $39 million), league sources said, but those players and their contracts are largely unattractive in the marketplace.
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The Charlotte Hornets would like engage the Knicks on trade discussions involving All-Star point guard Kemba Walker but New York and Charlotte haven't yet had substantive discussions about a trade involving Walker, per league sources. It seems unlikely at this point that the Knicks will want to meet Charlotte's desired return.

Charlotte is hoping a Walker trade returns a good young player or a first-round pick, per ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski. The Knicks have first-round draft picks and a promising young player in Frank Ntilikina.

But the other part of Charlotte's request is a holdup for the Knicks. Wojnarowski reports that Charlotte appears eager to shed one of its less desirable contracts. That would mean the Knicks would likely need to take on extra salary to acquire Walker, which was something New York was hesitant to do in trading Carmelo Anthony over the summer.


Ian Begley, ESPN Staff Writer
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 20, 2018, 06:25:46 PM
1 4 8

points
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on January 20, 2018, 06:33:44 PM
Just saving that defense for the playoffs like last year  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Nola on January 21, 2018, 01:30:51 AM
So is Charlotte basically trying to do a half ass rebuild? Is that the idea?

Because I really am not following what their strategy is?

If you are rebuilding, fuck it, trade Kemba for the best haul you can get and ride out the contracts until they become more tolerable to move.

You only have one Kemba Walker on your roster, go get the Brooklyn pick from Cleveland or something and embrace the tank life.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: agrajag on January 21, 2018, 02:40:53 AM
Knock knock knocking on Cleveland's door
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 21, 2018, 05:13:38 AM
Kevin Pelton tries to come up with some possibilities:
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Hornets get: Guard Isaiah Thomas, center Channing Frye, Brooklyn 2018 first-round pick

Cavaliers get: Guard Kemba Walker, center Johnny O'Bryant
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Hornets get: Guard Reggie Jackson, forwards Henry Ellenson, Stanley Johnson and Anthony Tolliver, draft picks

Pistons get: Guard Kemba Walker and forward Marvin Williams
:mouf*
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Hornets get: Guard Darren Collison, forward Bojan Bogdanovic, center Al Jefferson, 2018 first-round pick

Pacers get: Guard Kemba Walker and center Dwight Howard

One interesting alternative: Indiana could take on the remaining three-plus years on Nicolas Batum's contract. Pacers president of basketball operations Kevin Pritchard acquired Batum in Portland (in a draft-night trade), and he would fill a need at small forward. Swapping Howard out of this deal for Batum would allow the Hornets to create far more long-term savings.
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Hornets get: Guards Ron Baker, Jarrett Jack and Frank Ntilikina

Knicks get: Guard Kemba Walker
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Hornets get: Guard Tyler Ulis, forwards Dragan Bender and Jared Dudley, centers Greg Monroe and Alan Williams

Suns get: Guards Michael Carter-Williams, Julyan Stone and Kemba Walker, centers Dwight Howard and Johnny O'Bryant

I've included 2016 No. 4 overall pick Dragan Bender here, but fellow 2016 lottery pick Marquese Chriss would fit too, or Phoenix could offer Miami's 2018 first-round pick.
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Hornets get: Guards Rodney Hood and Ricky Rubio, forward Derrick Favors, 2018 first-round pick

Jazz get: Guard Kemba Walker, forwards Jeremy Lamb and Marvin Williams


*There's no way they do this with Jackson's contract. They might as well offer to include Boban and Avery Bradley and take back Batum or Kidd-Gilchrist as well. That'd eat almost all of Charlotte's bad deals for near free. Which funny enough none of Pelton's proposals actually do.

The Pistons getting all three of Walker, Batum, and Williams would arguably patch up the team across the board. It dumps some of SVG's worst temptations while forcing another to the bench where he belongs. AND gives him players he'd actually want. They're capped out anyway next year as is. Batum's salary only extends a year beyond where they would be combined into a single player and while he would be overpaid significantly (depends on what they give Bradley), it's not like he's garbage, and can play multiple positions. Williams admittedly looks like it would revisit the Harris/Morris issue but I think works better because Williams actually learned to play defense along the way and "fits" infinitely better as he's a better shooter and needs 50% fewer possessions to give you the same output so he can go sit in a corner happily unlike Morris.

Dwight's arguably not Charlotte's worst deal as it's only got another year on it. I assume they'd prefer to keep Kidd-Gilchrist who is somehow still only 24 over Batum. Those both seem more flippable on their own than as the cost for taking Walker. Dwight they could straight up dump next year if it came to it.

Or ideally, this year send Dwight to the Lakers for Luol Deng and Corey Brewer. (Assuming they're allowed to do the extend and stretch for Deng and that's not limited to the Lakers. Also, I'm making this suggestion almost entirely to please Jack.)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 21, 2018, 02:17:55 PM
The Pels should target one of the Hornets wings. MKG is an obvious target to reunite him with AD, but Batum is probably an easier get since I'd qualify his contract as "bad" considering his performance and age.

And all the Pels have in trade is bad contracts that are slightly shorter in length.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 21, 2018, 02:46:37 PM
Cavs are like those Celtics teams that tried to hang until they were too old.

They have so many defensive liabilities there are always 2 or 3 guys on the floor you can pick on.

The team was constructed as a pick-up team, with no thought to who actually needed to guard somebody on the floor.


Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Nola on January 21, 2018, 08:36:19 PM
We(the Pels) already have an overpriced defensive wing that can't shoot. He will be back within the month. Batum makes little sense when someone like Carroll fits much better with their needs and isn't so much of an albatross.

If the opportunity is there, Demps, who never met a first rounder he wouldn't trade away for even marginal talent, will have that in some other team's pocket before the deadline.

Cavs I think are going to be hard pressed to find any move that serves the ultimate purpose of getting Lebron to not leave. George Hill or Walker are not putting them over the top IMO.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Brehvolution on January 22, 2018, 02:12:03 PM
https://twitter.com/DimeUPROXX/status/955472068191113216
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 22, 2018, 04:28:35 PM
Kidd fired. A pretty late season firing for a playoff contender.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 22, 2018, 04:55:55 PM
Surprising in a way but I had recently seen a lot of rumblings from that fanbase who seemed very displeased with some of his decision making. Not saying they are correct but I just noticed the rumbling.

I think Lue is also right on the precipice. If they don't stabilize very quicklt, I think they might make a move.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 22, 2018, 10:12:29 PM
Lue got his job because he holds LeBron as accountable as any other player, according to that Windhorst book, one of Blatt's problems was he was inconsistent in how he handled his superstar and eventually gave up and turned that over entirely to Lue which convinced the Cavs front office to just get rid of Blatt if LeBron and Lue were going to coach the team anyway. Because Spoelstra had already been coaching Wade and plus had Riley backing him up that issue did not develop in Miami and a lot of the tea leaf reading people were doing during the first title year was the legitimate development of a relationship between Spolestra and LeBron, regarding trying to destagnate the lulls of that offense through the shared love of watching video. (Spoelstra started out as Miami's video coordinator.)

This is year four for a lot of these guys, and many of the additions were guys who have been on other contending teams, they're also older. They're coasting hard, which makes their offense kinda nuts.

They slid hard last year too though, and then tore the East apart on the way back to the Finals. They were 26-7 to start 2017, then went 14-9 to sit at 40-16 after the first game out of the All-Star Break, then went 11-15 the rest of the way to finish 51-31. Their point differential fell from +8 to +3 from Jan to the end of the season.

That fourth year and last Miami team started off clunky, then had a ten game win streak early in the year and was 27-8 and even 43-14. Before finishing 11-14.

I assume Lue remains unless LeBron says otherwise. They're paying him $7 million a year until 2022. Plus Dan Gilbert fired Mike Brown without consulting LeBron last time and it turned out LeBron was okay with Brown and totally uninterested in Byron Scott. So he might hesitate a little this time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 22, 2018, 10:29:15 PM
The Kidd stuff from earlier in the season where they said he and the new front office were communicating through proxies rather than directly was a little blip and then the waiving Liggins so Kidd couldn't play him. The armchair grumbling I saw was a lot about Giannis being the only one of their guys actually developing, especially Thon Maker seemingly going backwards. And that Kidd hadn't formally established even to this point in the season how to use Bledsoe, Giannis, Middleton and Brogdon in terms of an offensive pecking order so the team would sometimes seem like it was taking turns.

Zach Lowe's end of the week piece noted their 25th ranked defense, despite their hyper aggressive scheme and all those long athletic beautiful black bodies because it overloads the floor deliberately but unlike Thibs same scheme (which also has been doing poorly in Minnesota) it doesn't rotate fast enough, especially now and they're getting brutalized from threes on the opposite side of the floor or they're fouling because they're a half second late. (Lowe oddly didn't note the latter, where they're the worst team in the league considering Memphis uses a high foul system like Utah used to.)

Maybe the best part of the story:
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Jason Kidd said that Milwaukee Bucks star Giannis Antetokounmpo called him about 15 minutes before Kidd was officially notified he'd been fired by the Bucks and offered to help save his job.

"He called me and said, 'Coach, this isn't right what they're about to do, but [they] are gonna let you go,'" Kidd told ESPN.

Kidd said he replied, "I had a feeling that was gonna take place."

To which Antetokounmpo responded, "'What can I do? I'll call the owners, I'll call my agent."
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Kidd said he was officially informed he'd been fired about 15 minutes later when he met with general manager Jon Horst and team president Peter Feigin at a pizza restaurant.

"There was no explanation. It was just, 'We're going in another direction.'"
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 22, 2018, 11:16:34 PM
https://twitter.com/PelicansPR/status/955652246569672704


Boogie was beast in this game. 52 minutes. 4 steals and a massive block on Markinnen in double OT.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 22, 2018, 11:25:06 PM
read it quick and thought they were saying Wilt had a 3 point 18 rebound 68 assist game
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 22, 2018, 11:36:02 PM
No, that's be Rondo's record.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Nola on January 23, 2018, 01:25:39 AM
https://twitter.com/World_Wide_Wob/status/955676106409037824?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FWorld_Wide_Wob%2Fstatus%2F955676106409037824


 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Nola on January 23, 2018, 01:26:32 AM
Also Boogie highlights:

https://twitter.com/DawkinsMTA/status/955656871905505280
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Nola on January 23, 2018, 01:39:51 AM
Busy night.

This stuff also happened:


https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/955687020864524288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FChrisBHaynes%2Fstatus%2F955687020864524288



and this




https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/955636272181272576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fwojespn%2Fstatus%2F955636272181272576







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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: agrajag on January 23, 2018, 02:30:37 PM
https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/miami-heat-officially-unveil-their-vice-uniforms-news.42718.html

 :lawd :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Nola on January 23, 2018, 03:17:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=236&v=yWaKWLFSRIA

Screamin A and Jalen claim to be hearing things in San Antonio between Kawhi and the Spurs have strained beyond repair. Kawhi seemingly wants out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 23, 2018, 07:43:11 PM
East Reserves:  Bradley Beal, Al Horford, Kevin Love, Kyle Lowry, Victor Oladipo, Kristaps Porzingis, John Wall

West Reserves:  LaMarcus Aldridge, Jimmy Butler, Draymond Green, Damian Lillard, Klay Thompson, Karl-Anthony Towns, Russell Westbrook
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 23, 2018, 10:19:20 PM
It doesn't really matter how many meetings the Cavs have. They are who they are. This isn't a case of just being bored or turning on another gear. They simply don't have the defensive personnel. It's not like they aren't trying. They are just too old, too slow, too defensively inept.

They also are looking at a rebuild. I would be shocked if Lebron is back next year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 23, 2018, 10:24:17 PM
If the Kings give away one of their young pieces just to dump Hill on the Cavs then they're really fucking dumb.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 23, 2018, 10:32:18 PM
On a side note, It's weird to me that the media is so in love with this whole draft nba all-star game. Just a facade of meaningless drama.

 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 23, 2018, 11:20:57 PM
I still don't understand the all-star draft.

I feel NBA all-star weekend i the best of the three major sports, but the NBA keeps trying to fuck it up in new ways every year. Every year, the dunk contest is going to have some new rule or format change that ends up failing. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 23, 2018, 11:27:57 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22178973/nba-faq-2018-nba-all-star-draft

I'm fine with there being a draft. The idea itself is decent. But it doesn't address the real issue. It's like trying to put a band-aid on a broken leg.

Players don't go hard in the all-star game because they they don't want to get hurt during the middle of the season and there is no real incentive to go hard in the modern age.

The draft is an attempt to address the second issue but its not enough imo. We'll see soon enough I guess if I'm wrong on that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 23, 2018, 11:35:01 PM
You can't fix that issue.

If the game is entertaining then it's a success.

Nobody is going to risk their playoff chances on an all-star game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on January 24, 2018, 12:33:44 AM
An idea I heard on the Le Batard show was to televise team captains picking players. And have all of them be present for the "ceremony".

A lot of people, including me, would watch just for the petty drama involved. Will Lebron pick Kyrie? Steph, Westbrook? Find out Tuesday at 8 on TNT!

Too bad Bron and them would never agree to it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 24, 2018, 02:54:25 AM
It will be glorious.

And Grand Napear can eat a dick.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 24, 2018, 03:15:42 AM
I honestly think he's racist on a level he doesn't understand. The great players he had issues with: Webber, Bobby Jackson, and Cousins.

he was okay with Brad Miller's technical fouls and whining. He was okay with many antics, but if you were outspoken and black then he suddenly had issues.

He has a racism born out of traditionalism for traditionalism's sake. It's that new england/Bostonian sort of thing.


I really, truly, loathe him. He sold out the entire city for the Maloofs while they were trying to sell the team. His spine is as rigid as a toddler's snotball. People don't know how low he grovels to just merely exist on a golf course.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Nola on January 24, 2018, 04:09:49 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/SLAMonline/status/956245988339015680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FSLAMonline%2Fstatus%2F956245988339015680
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 24, 2018, 04:20:17 PM
Quote from: El Babua on January 24, 2018, 12:33:44 AM
An idea I heard on the Le Batard show was to televise team captains picking players. And have all of them be present for the "ceremony".

A lot of people, including me, would watch just for the petty drama involved. Will Lebron pick Kyrie? Steph, Westbrook? Find out Tuesday at 8 on TNT!

Too bad Bron and them would never agree to it.
I heard LeBron was in favor of it, as were a few other megastars who thought it's fun for just this reason, but Paul apparently heard enough complaints that he and Silver agreed to keep it secret. They aren't even releasing the order the players are picked other than LeBron and Steph have to pick from all the starters before they can pick a reserve. (They should just have to have five starters in the end, so that Steph and LeBron could do the entire draft with the goal of not taking Kyrie.)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 25, 2018, 09:00:55 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUbPDDvV4AASjrq.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 26, 2018, 02:15:52 AM
my primary complaint is that LeBron's team is going to be more constrained if they do a play all the bigs at once showdown unless it includes Durant (or LeBron) since Boogie would have to mostly handle it himself otherwise while Steph's team would just get nuts even if they didn't have Giannis as their fifth "big"

hopefully they would also do an inverse showdown where they both play all the point/combo guards at once
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 26, 2018, 11:08:53 PM
Boooooooooogie

nooooooooooo

 :fbm :gloomy
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on January 26, 2018, 11:35:58 PM
I'd say they were the upset favorite because of Boogie/AD. Not deep enough to hang with the very best, but nobody could match up with those two.

Plus, it's Boogie's contract year.  And the Pels had won 8/10 and beat the Rockets.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 26, 2018, 11:38:32 PM
Unfortunate freak injury. Game was almost over.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on January 26, 2018, 11:44:36 PM
Quote from: Stro on January 26, 2018, 11:24:53 PM
Oh yeah, the Pelicans were definitely going to make such a huge impact in the playoffs  ::)
Do you know anyone who tore their achilles before? Recovery from that is not fun.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Boogie Cousins out for season)
Post by: etiolate on January 27, 2018, 12:07:40 AM
Quote from: Stro on January 27, 2018, 12:02:35 AM
Quote from: Beezy on January 26, 2018, 11:44:36 PM
Quote from: Stro on January 26, 2018, 11:24:53 PM
Oh yeah, the Pelicans were definitely going to make such a huge impact in the playoffs  ::)
Do you know anyone who tore their achilles before? Recovery from that is not fun.

I do actually. I'm positive eshitter was not showing human decency and empathy for the injury.

You're an idiot man. Take a walk.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Boogie Cousins out for season)
Post by: Nola on January 27, 2018, 01:25:12 AM
It is honestly so demoralizing being a fan of this franchise.

It just feels like this is the place good players come to die. The one great season we had with CP3, Dwest, and Chandler in their primes was followed by an injury plagued season that the core never recovered from, and the continual injury assembly line that seems to bite us every season.

The entire first AD era was cut short due to injuries to Gordon, Anderson, AD, Jrue, and Evans. They could never get everyone healthy.  Now you have Cousins fall into your lap, giving the franchise hope again, and right as they were finding their groove, this shit happens.

I feel awful for the guy, especially because he was on pace to finally kick the playoff abscence and a seeding that actually gave them a chance to steal a series. Damn shame.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Boogie Cousins out for season)
Post by: Let's Cyber on January 27, 2018, 01:33:52 AM
NOLA is a cursed, Nola. Get out while you can.  :gloomy
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Boogie Cousins out for season)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 27, 2018, 09:28:59 AM
Sucks for Boogie, I bet he was excited to make the playoffs. Given that this is his contract year I wonder what happens next.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Boogie Cousins out for season)
Post by: Nola on January 27, 2018, 02:37:07 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 27, 2018, 09:28:59 AM
Sucks for Boogie, I bet he was excited to make the playoffs. Given that this is his contract year I wonder what happens next.

He’ll probably still get maxed by the Pels TBH.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Boogie Cousins out for season)
Post by: El Babua on January 27, 2018, 07:36:34 PM
Boogie :(

Pls get better.

And also join the Pels next year Bron  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Boogie Cousins out for season)
Post by: etiolate on January 29, 2018, 06:37:58 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/958120746169053184

Thus the Clips story ends.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Boogie Cousins out for season)
Post by: El Babua on January 29, 2018, 07:38:41 PM
RIP Lob City
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Boogie Cousins out for season)
Post by: El Babua on January 29, 2018, 10:51:02 PM
Also, every Heat game has to be within 5 points with a minute left, no matter what. It's the law.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Boogie Cousins out for season)
Post by: agrajag on January 29, 2018, 11:45:25 PM
Quote from: El Babua on January 29, 2018, 10:51:02 PM
Also, every Heat game has to be within 5 points with a minute left, no matter what. It's the law.

They're unparalleled when it comes to blowing double digit leads.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Blake Griffin to Pistons)
Post by: bluemax on January 30, 2018, 01:14:06 AM
This Blake trade came out of nowhere. It seems like no one was aware this could even happen.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Blake Griffin to Pistons)
Post by: benjipwns on January 30, 2018, 02:43:45 AM
That $70 million a year frontcourt. :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Blake Griffin to Pistons)
Post by: benjipwns on January 30, 2018, 02:48:07 AM
And paying $17 million to a point guard who can't play off the ball, doesn't play any defense and seemingly can't stay healthy. Plus $7 million a year to Langston Galloway for some reason. All while still paying $5 million a year to Josh Smith. :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Blake Griffin to Pistons)
Post by: benjipwns on January 30, 2018, 03:00:41 AM
wonder if this will FREE BOBAN

don't let them try and force you to play Mo Harrell more Doc, stay strong!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Blake Griffin to Pistons)
Post by: Akala on January 30, 2018, 11:38:23 AM
I am still kinda shook from the boogie injury  :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Blake Griffin to Pistons)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 30, 2018, 01:03:33 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 30, 2018, 02:48:07 AM
And paying $17 million to a point guard who can't play off the ball, doesn't play any defense and seemingly can't stay healthy. Plus $7 million a year to Langston Galloway for some reason. All while still paying $5 million a year to Josh Smith. :rejoice
Joe Dumars would be proud.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Blake Griffin to Pistons)
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 30, 2018, 09:22:56 PM
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Cleveland Cavaliers forward Kevin Love has been ruled out 6-8 weeks after suffering a fractured hand, a source told ESPN's Brian Windhorst.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22268438/cleveland-cavaliers-kevin-love-leaves-game-vs-detroit-pistons-injured-hand
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Blake Griffin to Pistons)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 30, 2018, 09:34:48 PM
Damn he's gonna skip 6-8 weeks of the season this time? Time to call another meeting, this behavior is out of control.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Blake Griffin to Pistons)
Post by: Beezy on January 30, 2018, 09:37:52 PM
Team Lebron is falling apart.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Blake Griffin to Pistons)
Post by: agrajag on January 30, 2018, 10:00:49 PM
Heat has "22 league leading clutch wins"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Blake Griffin to Pistons)
Post by: El Babua on January 30, 2018, 10:37:11 PM
#HeatCulture
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Blake Griffin to Pistons)
Post by: eleuin on January 30, 2018, 11:17:33 PM
https://twitter.com/NBA/status/958540475706822656
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Blake Griffin to Pistons)
Post by: benjipwns on January 31, 2018, 02:14:40 AM
i'm not saying kevin love broke his hand just so he can't be traded, but i will note that he just had a terrible month both on and off the court

semi-related i saw a lakers fan elsewhere proposing a lopez/randle for love trade before this and i admit i was pondering it for a bit for both teams
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Blake Griffin to Pistons)
Post by: benjipwns on January 31, 2018, 02:21:02 AM
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The New Orleans Pelicans and Chicago Bulls are unable to complete a trade for forward Nikola Mirotic because Mirotic is awaiting his $12.5 million team option for the 2018-19 season to be exercised, league sources tell ESPN.

The Pelicans and Bulls were finalizing a package that included Omer Asik and a future first-round pick going to Chicago. Asik is owed nearly $25 million through the 2019-20 season.

Mirotic signed a two-year deal with the Bulls in August that included a team option that's subject to the NBA's one-year Bird provision.

For a trade to be completed, Mirotic would have to approve a deal that didn't include a guarantee on his 2018-19 salary. Chicago and New Orleans wouldn't need his permission if they elected to exercise his team option before completing the trade. So far, the Pelicans have resisted committing to that $12.5 million on next season's payroll, league sources said.
i must admit i sorta forgot omer asik existed, let alone that he was making $11 million a year as the Pelicans fifth big or whatever

to be fair, he's only blocked one more shot this season than i have
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Blake Griffin to Pistons)
Post by: etiolate on January 31, 2018, 11:18:10 PM
Having seen Isaiah Canaan's gruesome injury, I am curious how many games have been missed due to injury this season?

Kawhi barely played. I can't remember if Mike Conley ever played. Wall and Love with injuries that will lead to missing several weeks. The Cousins injury, the Roberson one and you could include all the games Isaiah Thomas missed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Blake Griffin to Pistons)
Post by: El Babua on February 01, 2018, 12:04:30 AM
Miss 11 free throws brehs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Blake Griffin to Pistons)
Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2018, 02:55:52 AM
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Center Greg Monroe has agreed to a contract buyout with the Phoenix Suns, clearing the way for him to become an unrestricted free agent
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Blake Griffin to Pistons)
Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2018, 02:57:53 AM
also lol at this article: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22281387/golden-state-warriors-play-lebron-james
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Sources: Warriors could set up talks with LeBron James if max deal is available

Chris Haynes
ESPN Staff Writer

If the Golden State Warriors can create a max salary slot this offseason, the defending NBA champions could position themselves to secure a meeting with LeBron James, league sources told ESPN.

There is no indication that Golden State is evaluating such options to acquire the Cleveland Cavaliers star at this time.
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A sign-and-trade scenario would be the most realistic way for Golden State to acquire James. The Warriors could build an offer around Klay Thompson and Andre Iguodala to match salary and tempt the Cavaliers into making a deal, according to ESPN's Kevin Pelton.

To make a sign-and-trade possible, Golden State also would need Kevin Durant to decline his player option and take even less than his current annual salary of $25 million, as well as moving Shaun Livingston's salary to a team with cap space. Golden State likely would have to fill out its bench with players making the league minimum.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Blake Griffin to Pistons)
Post by: bluemax on February 01, 2018, 04:03:05 AM
Quote from: etiolate on January 31, 2018, 11:18:10 PM
Having seen Isaiah Canaan's gruesome injury, I am curious how many games have been missed due to injury this season?

Kawhi barely played. I can't remember if Mike Conley ever played. Wall and Love with injuries that will lead to missing several weeks. The Cousins injury, the Roberson one and you could include all the games Isaiah Thomas missed.

Literally everyone on the Clippers has missed time this season, including Patrick Beverly being gone all season pretty much.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Blake Griffin to Pistons)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 01, 2018, 04:16:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGkP8o1JOnQ
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Blake Griffin to Pistons)
Post by: Akala on February 01, 2018, 07:11:20 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 01, 2018, 02:57:53 AM
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Sources: Warriors could set up talks with LeBron James if max deal is available

There is no indication that Golden State is evaluating such options to acquire the Cleveland Cavaliers star at this time.

That is awful. Blood in the water for talking heads.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 01, 2018, 03:46:49 PM
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The New Orleans Pelicans reached an agreement to acquire Chicago Bulls forward Nikola Mirotic, league sources told ESPN.

The Pelicans were able to complete the deal once they decided to guarantee the $12.5 million team option on Mirotic's contract next season, which allowed the Bulls to complete the trade without Mirotic's permission, league sources said.

The Pelicans are sending a 2018 protected first-round pick, center Omer Asik and guards Tony Allen and Jameer Nelson to the Bulls, league sources said.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 01, 2018, 05:51:07 PM
Pelicans also pursuing Monroe after his buyout. Cleared roster space with the move.

May target Pondexter off waivers as well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 02, 2018, 12:22:22 AM
Quote from: Akala on February 01, 2018, 07:11:20 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 01, 2018, 02:57:53 AM
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Sources: Warriors could set up talks with LeBron James if max deal is available

There is no indication that Golden State is evaluating such options to acquire the Cleveland Cavaliers star at this time.

That is awful. Blood in the water for talking heads.
DAT CORPORATE SYNERGY :lawd
https://twitter.com/espn/status/959284073372925952

https://twitter.com/FirstTake/status/959094691278020608
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 05, 2018, 01:11:13 AM
https://streamable.com/i16y9

Hard not to like that kid.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Syph on February 05, 2018, 01:54:37 AM
trust the process baby
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 06, 2018, 07:00:38 AM
Clips were up 104-101 and Mavs had the ball, Doc subbed BOBAN in with seven tenths of a second on the clock solely to stand in front of the inbounder, Yogi Ferrell caught the wild pass while out of bounds so no time went off the clock, then Doc immediately called timeout to advance the ball and sub BOBAN out for Gallinari. :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: agrajag on February 06, 2018, 10:01:08 AM
Spo  ::)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 06, 2018, 03:48:36 PM
Lakers are quite well set for the future. They have a collection of really good legit young talent. I never understood their desire to throw away randle. He's a quality player imo.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 06, 2018, 09:17:34 PM
I don't know how you don't fire Lue. The team has literally tuned him out and quit. They are old and slow and not good but they are not this bad.

They were leading the magic by like 15 at one point and are now getting completely blown out. BY THE MAGIC. This is worse than it ever was with Blatt.

for what its worth Lue actually didn't coach tonight. He was sick. But same thing. If the team isn't going to play for the current leadership there is no point in keeping the leadership. Unless of course they have just written off the season and Lebron leaving. (Which I'm guessing they have).

They got outscored 41-22 in the 3rd quarter. And so far 23-9 in the 4th quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Nola on February 06, 2018, 09:45:28 PM
I guess the question in that situation is other than an assistant that is basically stuck taking the job, who would Cleveland be able to entice, that isn't of incredibly unsound judgement, to step into that shit show at this point in the season, that could do anything to realistically right this ship? Where the margin for success is pretty much next to impossible?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 06, 2018, 09:48:35 PM
Quote from: Nola on February 06, 2018, 09:45:28 PM
I guess the question in that situation is other than an assistant that is basically stuck taking the job, who would Cleveland be able to entice, that isn't of incredibly unsound judgement, to step into that shit show at this point in the season, that could do anything to realistically right this ship? Where the margin for success is pretty much next to impossible?

I hear you. The only option that immediately springs to mind is Fizdale but yeah I get you. There is little incentive for a decent new coach to come in at this point rather than the off-season.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 06, 2018, 09:56:30 PM
What's the point in firing Lue this year when the new coach won't even be able to implement his own offense. It's gonna still be Bron Ball. Wait until the year is over and Bron bounces.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 07, 2018, 12:22:27 AM
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An MRI on New York Knicks star Kristaps Porzingis revealed he tore the ACL in his left knee in Tuesday's 103-89 home loss to the Milwaukee Bucks, the team announced.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Kristaps Porzingis - torn ACL )
Post by: Syph on February 07, 2018, 01:20:56 AM
anyone else just watch the warriors thunder game? weird to see a third quarter so competitive when 20 points separated the teams
i wish GS didn't sleep in the first half so the fourth quarter could've mattered
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Kristaps Porzingis - torn ACL )
Post by: benjipwns on February 07, 2018, 02:21:20 AM
wasn't just Kristaps' ACL that got wrecked, rip in peace Tim Hardaway Jr: https://streamable.com/a75xt
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Kristaps Porzingis - torn ACL )
Post by: etiolate on February 07, 2018, 01:03:53 PM
a ton of injuries this year

Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Kristaps Porzingis - torn ACL )
Post by: Beezy on February 07, 2018, 07:31:20 PM
Porzingis :(

Team Lebron is falling apart. That makes 4 players he's lost for the all star game now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Kristaps Porzingis - torn ACL )
Post by: Nola on February 07, 2018, 08:22:38 PM
Pels game is delayed....roof's leaking. And they cant figure out how to stop it. About sums up this franchise TBH.
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Kristaps Porzingis - torn ACL )
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 07, 2018, 10:48:53 PM
Bron had a monster game tonight.

37 points. 15 assists. 10 rebounds. And this game winner with no time on the clock.

https://streamable.com/fur0p

Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Kristaps Porzingis - torn ACL )
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 07, 2018, 11:09:45 PM
Quote from: Stro on February 07, 2018, 08:24:18 AM
Seems like there have been more big name injuries this season than any I can ever remember

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbilGPPTp0w&t=27s
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on February 07, 2018, 11:14:04 PM
The fact that the Heat don't have an offensive playmaker has finally bit us.

Make a move Pat!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 07, 2018, 11:18:45 PM
Dragic can make plays.

I eagerly await trade time fiesta.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on February 07, 2018, 11:31:02 PM
Dragic can, but he's a second or third option type player on a better team.

Neon Dion however...  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Kristaps Porzingis - torn ACL )
Post by: Nola on February 07, 2018, 11:37:43 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 07, 2018, 11:09:45 PM
Quote from: Stro on February 07, 2018, 08:24:18 AM
Seems like there have been more big name injuries this season than any I can ever remember

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbilGPPTp0w&t=27s
That 31% rise in injuries is shocking even from what I felt like it was.

I almost said something the other day about injuries after Porzingas but I didn't have anything but a hunch to back it up, but I guess the injuries really have gotten worse.

Crazy that in the era of medical analytics, every other franchise trying to outdo the Suns with investments in medical care and conditioning, the larger emphasis on defending against fatigue related injuries, that this problem is getting worse? I know with Cousins it has been gnawing at me after reading some of the research that kinda tells me his minute load and the pace of play of the Pelicans is probably a factor that can't be dismissed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on February 07, 2018, 11:45:01 PM
Y'all want Tyler Johnson?
Title: Re: The NBA thread ( Kristaps Porzingis - torn ACL )
Post by: Syph on February 07, 2018, 11:49:39 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 07, 2018, 10:48:53 PM
Bron had a monster game tonight.

37 points. 15 assists. 10 rebounds. And this game winner with no time on the clock.

https://streamable.com/fur0p
when he missed at the end of regulation i figured that's as close as they'd get
but they stepped it up and pulled out the W
fun game to watch
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 08, 2018, 12:51:19 AM
https://twitter.com/_scharlie22/status/961474474968342529

The Suns are the only team that can compete with the Kings for pure fuckery
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 08, 2018, 12:13:38 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/961648533509111809

damn
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 08, 2018, 12:50:52 PM
The Cavs had to give up a #1 (2018) pick also? That kind of sucks.



Although, they'd probably just use that pick to draft someone like Clarkson anyways. So, it kind of makes sense.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 08, 2018, 12:59:38 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/961660450906787843

That's interesting. I like Hood even if he's a bit inconsistent.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/961660720642445312

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/961661147060625408

wait what

just realized the Kings don't have the roster space to do this deal so there's even another part to the deal

these multi-team, multi-player mutant monster deals are how you waste an hour in 2k trade logic
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 08, 2018, 01:09:06 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/961662532313321472

damn some cold ass trades
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 08, 2018, 01:18:03 PM
WTF IS GOING ON
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: agrajag on February 08, 2018, 01:32:08 PM
trading Wade to Miami for whom? That bih better take the veteran's minimum
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 08, 2018, 01:36:11 PM
Wade for a second round pick that I think is going to Sacramento in the other deal
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: agrajag on February 08, 2018, 01:44:10 PM
Well it's only right, Wade needs to retire in Miami
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: agrajag on February 08, 2018, 01:53:14 PM
We need a crying lebron smiley like the jordan one
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 08, 2018, 01:54:30 PM
Whether it works or not I respect the cavs hustle. You couldn't stand pat with that team as currently constructed. I'll miss channing. He was a good dude.

Wade was basically shot imo. Nice guy but he had no energy anymore. IT had been a disaster. Not sure if that was because  the injury had robbed him of his agility and quickness or he was being used improperly but after the first two games, he was awful for them. On both offense and defense he was a nightmare.

I like Clarkson. I always liked him on Lakers. Hill will also be a nice pick up for the team.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 08, 2018, 02:03:35 PM
Per tradition, the Kings give up the best players in trade and get the most junk in return.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 08, 2018, 02:06:34 PM
If this shit works out, maybe the Cavs get to keep Lebron.

Not optimistic about that, but it's the first glimmer of hope I've had since Kyrie bolted.

 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 08, 2018, 02:12:34 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 08, 2018, 02:06:34 PM
If this shit works out, maybe the Cavs get to keep Lebron.

Not optimistic about that, but it's the first glimmer of hope I've had since Kyrie bolted.

Yeah. The team still has fundamental issues but I like the squad today a lot more than the squad from yesterday. Cavs got younger and more athletic which was a real problem with the old ass squad they had.

They still will have issues on D but watching the old team, everybody had their feet stuck in mud because of old age.

They also need to play Cedi Osman more. Another young guy who has energy. Clearing Wade away allows stuff like that now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 08, 2018, 02:33:28 PM
I feel sad for Isaiah. (As sad as you can for any millionaire able to do what he dreams of doing for his career on a daily basis)

He played hurt for Celtics to help them and maybe hurt his long term career prospects and got further injured. Gets traded.

Rushed back as quick as he could to play for Cavs and I know he is not 100%. Played poorly which will hurt his free agent options next season.

Traded to lakers where he will either come off the bench or be bought out.

I mean he has done nothing wrong professionally. Just the worse kind of timing I've ever seen. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 08, 2018, 02:37:20 PM
IT should probably focus on getting his body 100% again.

I thought the Cavs wanted another big that can start. Maybe they think Nance can do that or maybe they're just rolling with Tristan.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 08, 2018, 02:41:18 PM
They probably just couldn't get anything to shore up the middle with the resources they had available to use. Nance will get plenty of opportunities to play. Not saying he is the answer but the cavs don't really have any quality big men especially with Frye gone and Love hurt. Nance will play alot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on February 08, 2018, 02:54:36 PM
God damn I can't wait for the stories about these trades to leak
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 08, 2018, 04:13:48 PM
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Brook Lopez may get bought out and have a role in Cleveland.

[@WindhorstESPN on The Jump]
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 08, 2018, 04:19:40 PM
Stro is that Joey Diaz in your avatar?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 08, 2018, 04:58:37 PM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/961717195804995586

Another Vlade gem
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: eleuin on February 08, 2018, 06:07:53 PM
Good trades, some young players who at least show promise when lebron bolts

Didn't think the current team could win 2 games against the celtics come playoffs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Syph on February 08, 2018, 07:27:34 PM
im only just now recovering from the craziness that was today's trades lol
hope everything works out for IT though man
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on February 08, 2018, 09:46:24 PM
Quote from: TakingBackSunday on February 08, 2018, 01:18:03 PM
WTF IS GOING ON
:lol

Today was great.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 08, 2018, 09:58:38 PM
https://streamable.com/6perc

 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 09, 2018, 07:36:59 PM
Now that it's all over, I am trying to figure out how the hell Tyreke Evans didn't get traded.

The answer in the press has been that the Grizz wanted a 1st rounder and only got offered 2nd round picks.

to which the other option is getting nothing in return and watching him sign elsewhere because your roster is cap'd out
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 09, 2018, 09:43:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q9gxMSUh64
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on February 09, 2018, 10:59:19 PM
Supposedly the Clippers had a DeAndre Jordan trade ready with the Cavs, and then things went to shit.

Honestly the Clippers seem to be a mess, which I guess is same old Clippers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 09, 2018, 11:40:13 PM
I still suspect that Ballmer is setting up to move to Seattle
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 09, 2018, 11:43:01 PM
Quote from: bluemax on February 09, 2018, 10:59:19 PM
Supposedly the Clippers had a DeAndre Jordan trade ready with the Cavs, and then things went to shit.

Honestly the Clippers seem to be a mess, which I guess is same old Clippers.

I prefer the moves they made and then just pick up a center on the cheap in the buyout market
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: agrajag on February 10, 2018, 12:09:41 AM
Sounds like D Wade's first night back was an ugly game, but glad we pulled out a W against one of our rivals.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 10, 2018, 09:54:25 PM
Isaiah Thomas on the Lakers feels morally wrong to me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 10, 2018, 10:28:33 PM
He's been relative fine on offense as the Lakers move alot more and create better opportunities for him but that defense is still a nightmare. You are just about playing 5 on 4 with him out there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 11, 2018, 06:24:15 PM
New look cavs looked so much better.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 12, 2018, 12:04:33 PM
http://www.phillyvoice.com/what-has-really-been-going-markelle-fultz-shoulder-injury-broken-jump-shot/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Interesting piece on Fultz situation.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 13, 2018, 10:46:32 PM
Clarkson & Nance.

 :mynicca

They fucking hustle. It's such a weird experience to watch the cavs now after that miserable 50 games or so. So much more enjoyable to watch a game when people actually try.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 13, 2018, 11:19:46 PM
https://streamja.com/aLQ

 :jeanluc
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 13, 2018, 11:29:59 PM
JR's been reborn, and Nance is a perfect kind of LeBron off the bench side kick really, like J.J. Hickson was for that half season they deluded themselves into thinking he was more valuable than renting Amare for a half season and playoff run

Hill is like a maybe better version of Mo Williams for a team that also has Love

and Clarkson-Hood-Green is the best shot making group LeBron's probably ever had off a bench, even if some of their shots are unideal from a metric standpoint, especially Green

the defensive worries were kinda odd to me, considering how bad they were before the trades, and old in a bad way

speaking of chatter during the deadline, the Wade deal was more likely because he was going to be pushed even farther down the bench and they (LeBron?) wanted to do good for him and send him "home", the pick the Heat are supposed to send is so heavily protected it will never convey

also the ginned up twitter-"sources" based outrage about Kerr letting his players draw up plays is so weird, he should do it for the rest of the season now
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 13, 2018, 11:31:06 PM
some good responses from various coaches though:
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"I noticed their plays were a little better out of timeout tonight," Suns coach Jay Triano jokingly told ESPN's Chris Haynes on Monday night after being on the opposing sideline.
...
"I wouldn't do that," Lue said Tuesday before the Cavaliers' game with the Oklahoma City Thunder. "They already said LeBron's coaching the team, anyway. If I give him the clipboard, they're really going to say it."
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 13, 2018, 11:33:08 PM
I thought it was just the Suns mad that he was letting players coach.

I mean you're getting whooped by 40 points for the third time this season so maybe you are good practice.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 13, 2018, 11:43:27 PM
looked like it mostly was a couple Suns and a couple other shitty teams' players and then a chunk of sports social media ran with it, probably because it was the Warriors (or a [team they hate]) as much as anything they actually did

i'm surprised Jared Dudley was one of them, i used to think he was cool, i guess you get old and cranky being a non-starter old guy on what's borderline a college team
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on February 14, 2018, 01:49:45 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 12, 2018, 12:04:33 PM
http://www.phillyvoice.com/what-has-really-been-going-markelle-fultz-shoulder-injury-broken-jump-shot/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Interesting piece on Fultz situation.

So he has the yips? Or something else? I'm confused.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 14, 2018, 02:10:39 AM
the short version i got from that is "Maybe his shoulder? But no comment."

the shorter version i got is "aliens" like real monstars up in this bitch
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 14, 2018, 01:26:15 PM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/963839472726151168

 ::shaqc :beetlejuice
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 14, 2018, 03:34:06 PM
The behind the scenes on the potential Deandre Jordan to Cavs deal was hilarious. It broke down because the Kings tried to pull some Yahoo Fantasy League bullshit.

Quote
That's why a 3 a.m. ET deal memo sent from Sacramento to Cleveland left Altman at first incredulous -- and then angry. Suddenly, Kings center Georgios Papagiannis had been included as part of the three-way trade. Cleveland and Utah were adamant that Papagiannis' name had never been discussed. Williams would later say that Papagiannis or Malachi Richardson were set to be included in the deals and insisted his notes confirmed that.

Because Sacramento had the makings for a trade with Toronto for Richardson, rival executives say that the Kings pushed to spare themselves the embarrassment of waiving the No. 13 overall pick in the 2016 NBA draft -- and let someone else do it. In the middle of the night, Altman and Williams vocally disagreed over the insertion of Papagiannis into the trade. Cleveland couldn't take him into its roster because the NBA's repeater tax would turn the balance of his $2.3 million contract this year and $2.4 million next year into three times that with the luxury-tax bill.

In the morning, Altman let the Jazz know about Sacramento's inclusion of Papagiannis. Jazz GM Dennis Lindsey was livid. To him, this was a deal-breaker. He hadn't dealt directly with Sacramento, because there had been no need: The deal went through Cleveland, and Altman had never suggested to Lindsey that Utah would have to take a 7-foot draft bust onto his roster.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/Woj22432626
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Nola on February 14, 2018, 06:07:57 PM
In hindsight, once again the Kings out there helping a team at the deadline for no good reason except incompetence.

Cavs definitely seem to be better off with the moves they made.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on February 14, 2018, 09:41:12 PM
Get rid of these Vice jerseys. We're like 3-8 with them lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: eleuin on February 15, 2018, 12:15:27 AM
https://streamable.com/gptnf

 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2018, 12:34:24 AM
Quote
Isaiah Thomas said Rondo brought up the video tribute kerfuffle today when they went at it. He said Rondo hit him in the face 3 times without consequence before he reacted. Says he doesn’t know Rondo and doesn’t know why Rondo reacted to him the way he did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMLVdIYvtDQ
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2018, 01:14:06 AM
lol blazer fans are livid at Walton

https://www.reddit.com/r/ripcity/comments/7xnxqg/somebodys_eccentric_grandpa_hijacked_the/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ripcity/comments/7xo8w3/i_officially_hate_bill_walton/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ripcity/comments/7xo8ii/the_espn_broadcast_is_so_irritatingly_biased_and/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on February 15, 2018, 02:01:02 AM
I fucking hate any time they let Bill Walton do color commentary of the USC vs UCLA game. His lack of impartialism is off the charts.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: agrajag on February 15, 2018, 02:13:01 AM
Man, the Heat is collapsing. I blame Justice Winslow  :trash
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2018, 02:15:44 AM
Walton doing a game is fun if its about once every two months. Because its an insane person calling a game. And there is some fun in seeing what the insane person is going to say at any moment.

Anymore than that and suddenly you find yourself asking why is this insane person on TV every week. This goes back to the NBA on NBC days. You need to pair him with somebody who is also willing to tell him he is being insane ala Steve Jones.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2018, 03:01:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv6Bh4cPlyc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g94JDEu-STA&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 15, 2018, 03:04:37 PM
:lol his reaction to Swaggy P
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star weekend)
Post by: benjipwns on February 15, 2018, 10:39:28 PM
Walton showing up to do random broadcasts is much better than him being semi-regular, and yeah, gotta get him away from UCLA, to where he's a better color guy now because his stream of consciousness or randomness is actually often interesting since there's so many bad commentary crews out there where the color guy is just useless and might as well not even be there.

It also helps if the others or at least one person pushes back at Bill, it doesn't have to be Snapper Jones levels, since Bill's just visiting. Even if it's just the lead guy telling Bill to pay attention to this game like during one of the random college games he did earlier this season I saw. I have no idea why people freak out about the guy showing up for fun on these local broadcasts, back in my day we used to have to endure this dude in every major telecast! *shakes fist*

And then there were those years when Tom Tolbert was only our defense against an unchecked Bill! And it just made things worse! *shakes fist at cloud*

Though that brief era did have one of my favorite exchanges:
Walton: "The Lakers are playing at a much level of higher greatness right now."
Tolbert: "What did you just say?"
Walton: "A much...a much much level."

IIRC, this was also like during a 14-0 run by the opposing team that put the Lakers down twenty or something.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star weekend)
Post by: etiolate on February 15, 2018, 10:55:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2fyT8-N1gU



This and the Diaw love are my two favs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star weekend)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2018, 11:30:20 PM
If youtube was a thing back in the day, I could post a hundred clips of Walton because he said something batshit crazy every single week.

Watched IT tonight for the Lakers. He was terrible.


 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XekxFXksA54&

Jokic had fastest triple double in history tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star weekend)
Post by: bluemax on February 15, 2018, 11:51:24 PM
https://www.infowars.com/exclusive-espn-admits-to-watching-you-through-your-tv/

 :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star weekend)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 16, 2018, 12:48:08 AM
https://streamable.com/nxpsa

I miss old school post play
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star weekend)
Post by: benjipwns on February 16, 2018, 02:16:56 AM
Quote from: bluemax on February 15, 2018, 11:51:24 PM
https://www.infowars.com/exclusive-espn-admits-to-watching-you-through-your-tv/

 :neogaf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-PLNXNJCKo

 :dead :dead :dead :dead

he even makes the obvious still photo into film of a sinister Muslim family by thinking the girls hair is a burka :rofl

:drudge GLOBALIST ELITE MUSLIM INVADER BILL WALTON :drudge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star weekend)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 16, 2018, 01:25:01 PM
https://deadspin.com/fox-news-host-laura-ingraham-blows-the-dog-whistle-on-l-1823067638

fox news gonna fox news
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star weekend)
Post by: etiolate on February 16, 2018, 03:46:58 PM
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/964575223021367296

omg
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star weekend)
Post by: etiolate on February 17, 2018, 02:49:17 PM
https://streamable.com/vxuod

Bogie wins Rising Stars mvp.

DSJ and Mitchell should be good in the dunk contest.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star weekend)
Post by: benjipwns on February 17, 2018, 06:23:00 PM
sneaky Cavs trading even less in Lakers deal:
Quote
Lakers forward Channing Frye has undergone an appendectomy.

The team announced Saturday that its new acquisition had the laparoscopic procedure Friday night in Cleveland.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star weekend)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 17, 2018, 11:07:04 PM
https://streamable.com/rxbn6
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star weekend)
Post by: etiolate on February 17, 2018, 11:13:03 PM
The LA crowd was kind of dead.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star weekend)
Post by: team filler on February 18, 2018, 06:32:34 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/5BGYQqi.jpg)

wade getting cucked
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star weekend)
Post by: etiolate on February 18, 2018, 10:54:59 PM
I am not watching the actual all-star game

and it will probably end up one of the rare entertaining ones
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star weekend)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 18, 2018, 11:31:18 PM
dat national anthem by fergie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5cOvyDpWfM&feature=youtu.be



https://streamable.com/pbn9c
https://streamable.com/nuyx3


Game was fine for a modern all-star game. better than the recent ones. Not as good as back in the old days.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star weekend)
Post by: etiolate on February 18, 2018, 11:57:43 PM
"I need you to play sour notes while I do a sexy lounge singer act"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star weekend)
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 19, 2018, 09:09:39 AM
By the internet reaction this morning, I was expecting some epic, horrible anthem. Carl Lewis level.

But it was just a different interpretation of it. I don't get why people are flipping out about it. People carry on like it's some Holy Hymn that needs to be revered.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star weekend)
Post by: agrajag on February 19, 2018, 09:10:30 AM
LeBron is the greatest NBA player in the last two decades.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (All Star weekend)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 19, 2018, 01:33:01 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 19, 2018, 09:09:39 AM
By the internet reaction this morning, I was expecting some epic, horrible anthem. Carl Lewis level.

But it was just a different interpretation of it. I don't get why people are flipping out about it. People carry on like it's some Holy Hymn that needs to be revered.

I don't think people are reacting because they think its disrespectful. Certainly I'm not. You could fart out the national anthem and I wouldn't give a shit.

But its a very odd take on it by someone who isn't known for jazz singing and honestly does a poor job of it here.

My bewilderment is more that the event is big enough to get anybody in the world to do it and they pick fergie....

Modern NBA is weird because they often make odd musical choices when its the most hip sport and should always have the best musical choices of any sport.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 19, 2018, 01:38:31 PM
Bizarre all-star music choices is a NBA tradition.

However, the music cities tend to do much better. New Orleans all-atar weekends tend to have actual talent and good live acts.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 20, 2018, 03:43:51 AM
NEW YORK KNICKS
Quote
Noah was banished from the Knicks after an altercation with coach Jeff Hornacek during a practice last month. The disagreement stemmed from Noah’s lack of playing time, and it turned physical the day after he logged only five minutes against the Warriors.

While no punches were thrown, a source told the Daily News' Frank Isola that Hornacek was the first to shove Noah before they had to be separated.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 21, 2018, 12:03:32 AM
https://www.si.com/nba/2018/02/20/dallas-mavericks-sexual-misconduct-investigation-mark-cuban-response
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 21, 2018, 03:57:45 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22532215/mark-cuban-dallas-mavericks-owner-fined-600000-tanking-comments

Yeah I was gonna post the original quotes a few days ago but never got around to it. If you fined magic 50k for those Greek Freak comments, you had to lay a much bigger fine here.

No that what he said wasn't true. But you can't say that stuff to general public.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 21, 2018, 07:34:58 PM
Quote
Spurs coach Gregg Popovich injected realism into the optimism surrounding injured star forward Kawhi Leonard on Wednesday, saying, "I'll be surprised if he returns this season."

Leonard missed the first 27 games of the regular season, and he returned to participate in nine contests before the Spurs made the decision last month to sideline the forward indefinitely. Recovering from right quadriceps tendinopathy, Leonard has told the organization at various stages of his rehabilitation process that he wasn't comfortable with his ability to play through the injury and that the Spurs should shut him down.

"Well, we only have X number of games left in the season, and he's still not ready to go," Popovich said. "If by some chance he is, it's gonna be pretty late into the season, and it's going to be a pretty tough decision: how late to bring somebody back. So that's why I'm just trying to be honest and logical. I'll be surprised if he gets back this year."

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22533719/kawhi-leonard-san-antonio-spurs-likely-season-gregg-popovich-says
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 24, 2018, 06:42:23 PM
https://twitter.com/Twolves_PR/status/967515765288128517

One of the worst NBA seasons for injuries that I can remember.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 27, 2018, 12:21:08 AM
Quote
The Pelicans have won six straight games, during which time Anthony Davis is averaging 41.5 PPG, 15.0 RPG and 3.2 blocks per game. Davis has topped the 40-point mark in four of the six wins, moving the Pelicans to fifth in the West — 1.5 games out of third.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWN9G7BBWQI
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on February 27, 2018, 05:45:24 PM
AD is tearing it up. The question is how long he can maintain this level before it wears him down?

Someone on NBA TV actually credited Boogie for giving AD some toughness and killer mentality.  :shh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 28, 2018, 03:07:53 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMqCpVoL8vk
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Brehvolution on March 01, 2018, 02:41:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=35&v=gx3S73InQ04
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 03, 2018, 10:52:22 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/DHIzzJZ.jpg)

 :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Nola on March 06, 2018, 02:44:29 PM
https://twitter.com/PelicansNBA/status/971095987799384064
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 06, 2018, 04:53:29 PM
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/kevin-love-everyone-is-going-through-something/amp/?__twitter_impression=true]

 :respect
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 08, 2018, 12:56:08 AM
Jokic and Lebron just had a great battle. They were both nailing some tough shots.

https://streamable.com/bwxxo
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Syph on March 08, 2018, 02:07:09 AM
dont sleep on Lonzo and IT
they're doing good things

you know who else y'all shouldn't sleep on?
DAME FUCKIN LILLARD
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on March 08, 2018, 02:33:37 AM
lillgod

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a7NlKg0bYE&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 08, 2018, 04:38:03 PM
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/steve-francis-i-got-a-story-to-tell/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 08, 2018, 06:57:38 PM
I'm scared of reading Steve Francis's story.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 08, 2018, 07:29:27 PM
Been watching the rockets recently and that team is fascinating. I don't actually find them super enjoyable to watch for a great team aesthetically which is exceedingly rare. Like the Warriors and old spurs played beautiful basketball with the ball whipping around. But man the Rockets are like the distillation of how you analytically play basketball the correct statistical way.

It will be interesting to watch them match up with the Warrior in the conference finals as if you are watching a scientific experiment on what is the best way to play basketball in the modern nba.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 08, 2018, 07:36:18 PM
The Rockets are pure 3 and dunk basketball, which is less interesting than what the Dubs or Spurs did.

I feel the best aesthetic ball involves post play still. Not always, but the movements and passing is more pleasing.

The Rockets sometimes just swing it to a guy 4 ft behind the lien who launches it. It's too videogamey.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 09, 2018, 01:02:41 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8pFVCH7lOc

Despite the clickbait title, actually does a good job of breaking down what makes the rockets the rockets and work so well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 11, 2018, 10:56:35 PM
https://twitter.com/SInow/status/973019333227098118

Lordy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 11, 2018, 11:30:19 PM
And they still got crushed by the Lakers.

The little post trade bounce they got was fool's good. The team's defense is still subpar. The offense is still predictable. Lue seems incapable of coordinating new pieces. Lebron is so gone. Unless he just decides getting closer to billionaire status with cavs paychecks for the last few years is worth it. Which is fine.

His body language suggests he is so over this though. You can see the seething annoyance flames on him as dumb shit happens so often. That Kyrie trade just broke the team. You can be an average coach and get away with it when you have 2 of best 10 players in the nba on the team. It doesn't work when you remove one of them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2018, 05:49:43 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22749350/san-antonio-spurs-f-kawhi-leonard-not-return-thursday-new-orleans-pelicans

Such a weird year for him and the Spurs who look increasingly unlikely to make the playoffs for the first time in a long time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 15, 2018, 10:51:37 PM
https://twitter.com/World_Wide_Wob/status/974476385619251200

I have no idea why they go after Rubio.

Oh that's right. Cuz Gobert is 7'2.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Akala on March 15, 2018, 11:53:03 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 13, 2018, 05:49:43 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22749350/san-antonio-spurs-f-kawhi-leonard-not-return-thursday-new-orleans-pelicans

Such a weird year for him and the Spurs who look increasingly unlikely to make the playoffs for the first time in a long time.

We still lost  :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2018, 12:10:02 AM
goofy fun random stat of the day i saw

at age 29, Muggsy Bogues grabbed 4.1 rebounds per 36

when he was one year older, despite being a foot and seven inches taller, Cliff Robinson pulled down 3.8 rebounds per 36

both played over 2700 minutes in the respective seasons (1993-94 and 1996-97)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 19, 2018, 01:37:59 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22833775/cleveland-cavaliers-coach-ty-lue-steps-back-focus-health
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 19, 2018, 08:27:31 PM
https://twitter.com/talkhoops/status/975890125061218306

:lol


Unrelated to that, but to the NCAA tourny. If the NCCA basketball decides to go to the three year rule and drop one and done, then there's going to be about two years of NBA ball where nobody wants to tank.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on March 19, 2018, 10:29:39 PM
This Heat/Nuggets game  :whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 19, 2018, 10:35:49 PM
I'm just gonna go out and make another draft prediction I'll probably regret, given my track record: Myles Bridges is going to be a bust.

fuck my bracket
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: agrajag on March 19, 2018, 10:37:41 PM
Quote from: El Babua on March 19, 2018, 10:29:39 PM
This Heat/Nuggets game  :whew

James Johnson  :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 20, 2018, 03:08:10 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 19, 2018, 10:35:49 PM
I'm just gonna go out and make another draft prediction I'll probably regret, given my track record: Myles Bridges is going to be a bust.

fuck my bracket
it was kinda clear the guy was no superstar ages ago, especially considering he barely improved except at the FT line, heard endless bitching about how the team runs through him when it shouldn't (which is true, also the team as a whole needed to ditch Izzo's slow down circling offense, they would destroy people by running off stops and putting up shots before defenses got set, but Izzo's lineups are weird as hell)

he's been tanking on draft boards yet again just like he did last year which made him come back, it's crazy if he stays in the lottery i have to think

i noticed that he's also been listed as "GUARD/FORWARD" the last couple months, he's no guard, especially in today's NBA, he's an undersized 4 who you want to post on switches like Corliss Williamson used to be for the Pistons, only Bridges has a decent yet streaky shot, he's not really a good defender except against all those other "tweeners" that dominate college basketball...he also decides what he's going to do before he does it and rarely adjusts...i think he'll have way more trouble turning himself into an actual NBA player than Denzel Valentine managed to do

also that FLINT tattoo is one of the worst of all time

in reality jaren jackson was the only potential star on that team, he was also the only one who could pass out of a double team, he was great this year and he's still only 18!

if nick ward was two inches taller he'd be a beast, it was funny when Izzo played that white dude senior who hadn't really played at all during the season down the stretch of the game rather than his two best bigs on both ends, including one who could space the floor
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 20, 2018, 03:12:27 AM
http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/22665656/philadelphia-76ers-nba-top-food-program
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 20, 2018, 10:38:56 PM
OKC just choked away a game against Boston

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIEtzqt1y_w
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on March 20, 2018, 11:29:00 PM
Thought this was a cool thread about the UMBC upset and how some of the bigger programs in college hoops haven't latched on to the modern NBA style the same way smaller programs have:

https://twitter.com/BKoremenos/status/975055489867202560
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 21, 2018, 01:01:02 AM
Yeah bball has changed so much in the last 5 to 10 years. It really is a different game than what I grew up with.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on March 21, 2018, 04:14:42 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 21, 2018, 01:01:02 AM
Yeah bball has changed so much in the last 5 to 10 years. It really is a different game than what I grew up with.

All 3 of the major sports have. In football passing is king and running the ball is almost completely pointless (except on QB runs). In baseball stealing bases and bunting are almost dead, everyone is trying to hit flyballs (Wille Mays Hayes was ahead of the game), pitchers can throw 100mph and are trying to strike people out.

I think sports has kind of always been this way, we are just seeing it at an accelerated rate now because of advances in data and information gathering/sharing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 21, 2018, 01:02:00 PM
https://twitter.com/DwyaneWade/status/976500754046439424
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 21, 2018, 09:49:30 PM
Lebron has been a stat monster since the All-Star break.

Quote
Over his past 19 games, dating back to Feb. 7, James is averaging a triple-double with 30.5 points on 55 percent shooting (40.6 percent from 3-point territory), 10.4 rebounds and 10.5 assists.


35 points and 17 assists to beat the Raptors tonight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar9z4uZYLhc
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on March 21, 2018, 09:58:01 PM
If Bron wanted to, he could average a triple double every season.

Quote from: etiolate on March 21, 2018, 01:02:00 PM
https://twitter.com/DwyaneWade/status/976500754046439424

I'd take any team in the first round other than Cleveland or Toronto. Seems like an injured Boston are on the same level as the rest of the East playoff teams which means a series that isn't against a Cle or Tor can go 50/50 either way.

Or hell, if Playoff Toronto shows up, it's 50/50 against them as well :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 22, 2018, 10:33:13 PM
Grizz taking no chances with their tanking. Lose by 61

 :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 23, 2018, 12:25:39 AM
It's that time of the year where every game matters. You have to buckle down and really go out there and accomplish the goal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on March 23, 2018, 12:37:39 AM
either the wiz need to tank to the 7-8th seed for draft seeding and how we match up with toronto and boston or maintain the 4/5th seed so long as we get matched up with indy. i do not want to see either the 76ers or cavs in the first round
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on March 23, 2018, 12:39:41 AM
I think the Heat can beat Boston as they're currently set up. Hope Cleveland stays in the same bracket or we move to the 6th seed and finally get that damn Lebron vs Wade series 10 years too late.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on March 23, 2018, 12:43:36 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/915297078561062912/aRNIUOOk_400x400.jpg)
three wins in three nights, give that man the fucking mvp
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 23, 2018, 12:45:09 AM
Rooting for the Pels feels like messing with voodoo right now. You keep worrying there's an injury or something. They flying under the radar a ton because everyone else expects the same thing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 23, 2018, 02:51:12 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU76Clboz-s
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on March 23, 2018, 12:28:01 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/MontaWorldPeace/status/976839075167637504
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 23, 2018, 05:27:43 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22884777/kyrie-irving-boston-celtics-undergo-procedure-ailing-knee

Hmmm.... That seems like an issue.

"minimally invasive"

 :gurl
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 23, 2018, 09:43:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7PmdOrbnWI
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 24, 2018, 05:43:01 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22898796/golden-state-warriors-guard-stephen-curry-suffers-grade-2-mcl-sprain
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22898734/boston-celtics-all-star-point-guard-kyrie-irving-expected-miss-3-6-weeks-undergoing-knee-surgery
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 26, 2018, 06:51:17 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22923343/markelle-fultz-available-play-76ers-missing-68-games

 :whoo
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 26, 2018, 09:07:37 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22924274/isaiah-thomas-los-angeles-lakers-evaluating-treatment-options-hip

Just a nightmare season for him
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 27, 2018, 01:30:55 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA6GY1xtfKU
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on March 27, 2018, 02:52:53 AM
The top two picks in the NBA draft are below average at doing one of the most fundamental aspects of their sport. What a time to be alive.

Also I would like an explanation on why Lonzo Ball's best days of the week are Friday and Saturday and his worst day is Sunday.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 28, 2018, 11:49:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FuYQKPicP4

Against the hawks so less impressive than it sounds but still

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 29, 2018, 12:41:04 AM
What makes that game amusing is the twitch banter for PUBG he had with Ben Simmons. It was something like KAT saying he needed to go and coudln't play another game, and Ben telling him he doesn't need to go to bed because he's only playing the Hawks tomorrow.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 29, 2018, 03:39:46 PM
After having to shutdown two games, the Kings org is preparing extra security to make sure fans can make it to the game today. Curious to see how it goes. Vivek swallowed the cost of the first protest actions and I think he was foolish enough to think it would create an understanding. Then they shut down the entrance on Tuesday's game and the Kings realized they had to do something different.

There's something very Sacramento about how this has played out. Everyone wants to look good in front of national attention, but that leaves them open to bad actors and exploitation. Al Sharpton has already consumed the grieving family. The protest groups wander around with little sense. It's felt like the idiot parade was on the ground before the victim's blood had dried.

Sac has this little brother syndrome that makes the city desperate for attention and adoration. Vivek is partly playing this as branding and hoping to get an all-star game. If the Thurs game goes wrong though, he ends up creating a bigger problem for the NBA.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 29, 2018, 08:56:35 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZfoJAQWsAMQB8W.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 29, 2018, 09:58:02 PM
So many injuries. Otto Porter just went down. Not sure if its bad.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 29, 2018, 10:38:11 PM
Westbrook is Iverson.

And that's not a compliment.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on March 30, 2018, 01:03:56 AM
https://twitter.com/World_Wide_Wob/status/979580021646987264
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on March 30, 2018, 01:05:23 AM
https://twitter.com/anthonyVslater/status/979562757602254854
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on March 30, 2018, 01:10:04 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s7SH0FZ0FY
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on March 30, 2018, 01:35:56 AM
https://twitter.com/rcdavisNBA/status/979588615721267200
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 30, 2018, 01:42:38 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMIUovSg6TQ

 :mindblown
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Fifstar on March 30, 2018, 06:41:03 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/6bk5ml4.png)

I looked up how some players TS%in clutch situations compares to their average TS%

Chris Paul +20% TS% (absolutly insane nummer)
Kd+10
Curry+6
Lebron +2
Westbrrok +/-0
Harden -5%

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 01, 2018, 04:42:31 AM
Paul's makes more sense when you consider it's only six instances or so. And he's probably taking a good share of shots as FT's.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on April 04, 2018, 02:25:42 AM
Tobias Harris w Clippers 19.5 ppg 47.8% FG 43% 3P 81.1% FT 6 REB 3.1 AST 1.1 STL 0.7 BLK
Blake Griffin w Pistons 19.8 ppg 43.3% FG 34.8% 3P 78.4% FT 6.6 REB 6.2 AST 0.4 STL 0.4 BLK
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 04, 2018, 06:13:40 PM
Yeah, I think everybody realized a few seasons ago that Blake was a good player but not like one of the super top tier of stars that can elevate a team just by his presence.

Stan was just desperate and making any gamble to keep his job.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on April 04, 2018, 06:27:06 PM
I wonder if Stan regrets going to the Pistons over the Kings, considering he was trying to find a spot with a young center. I was always surprised at how many lesser centers got compared to Cousins despite Boogie's obvious advantages over them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on April 05, 2018, 01:53:04 AM
Odd HOT TAKE TORRID DEBATE DISCUSSION! x ! z ! ! !!

So George changes teams. Hayward changes teams. Melo does. Butler does so as well. And Kawhi hardly plays this year.

As Butler plays 2 for the Wolves, he is the exception. The exception to what? Many of the best small forwards in the league either changed teams or did not play (or both), and the impact has been minor. The Pacers are just as good if not better this year by replacing George with an all-star guard. The Jazz basically did the same thing, replacing Hayward with a RoY guard. The Knicks are worst, but that has more to do with the Porzingis injury. The Bulls are worse but they're tanking and Butler doesn't even play the 3 in Minny. And Kawhi's absence felt like a problem until Aldridge came back and the Spurs returned to the playoff hunt.

So is the SF now way less meaningful in the current game after the Lebron/Durant/Melo glory years?

You can even kick this down several talent levels with a team like the Pels. New Orleans had one NBA starter quality SF and he's been hurt almost the whole season, but it hasn't mattered.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on April 05, 2018, 02:24:49 AM
It felt like SF has changed into everyone wanting a 3 and D guy there. Guys with the size and quickness to guard the other teams best non center, whose offensive contribution is shooting.

Could also be the fact that 4s are now expected to have more range than in the past as well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 05, 2018, 02:26:45 AM
It's been a frequent opinion this season, that the league is now guard dominant. Players like steph, harden, & lillard being the arguing point.

That being said, I would still take lebron and durant before anybody.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Nola on April 05, 2018, 02:49:12 AM
I'd still take a hypothetical superstar SF over pretty much any other position on the court. They are just so versatile in the way the game has evolved. But I do think the proliferation of solid above average small forwards has lessened the scramble for most teams. Like has happened with point guards.

But just as a Pelicans fan, who's last good SF was Trevor Ariza and Aminu before he became decent, I think SF is still incredibly important. Since so many of the leagues best and most difficult to guard players are at that position, or at least require a person at that position to guard them. Our team has shuffled the decks on bigs and guards, but the lack of a quality above average SF has been a hindrance to this team for most of AD's career here, and this year is no different. I say this with all seriousness, but if the Pels had Bojan Bogdanovich like Oladipo has in Indiana, they are probably a lock for the 4 seed right now. They may not make the impact relative to superstar guards they once did, but lacking one certainly does impact your team as much as probably any position IMO.

Being a Pels fan and experiencing how criminally unaddressed our GM has been toward that position I think gives a real appreciation for how important it remains. Even if it is diminished a bit toward the guards like Harden and Curry.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 05, 2018, 01:48:42 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 23, 2018, 05:27:43 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22884777/kyrie-irving-boston-celtics-undergo-procedure-ailing-knee

Hmmm.... That seems like an issue.

"minimally invasive"

 :gurl


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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23040436/kyrie-irving-boston-celtics-season-playoffs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kyrie Irving done for season)
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 05, 2018, 02:17:25 PM
That was the thing everyone overlooked in their excitement for Kyrie Irving. That he had spent much of his early career injured for good portions of many seasons.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1997485-injury-prone-kyrie-irving-a-major-problem-for-cleveland-cavaliers

He didn't even make it through his one college year without injury (missing 11 games).
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kyrie Irving done for season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 05, 2018, 02:30:10 PM
I've wanted to make this post for awhile but the recent run by the 76ers has made it obvious. If you are Lebron (or Paul George) and are serious about winning a title, I don't see how you don't jump to this team.

I mean I could see the argument for Lebron in the sense that you can stay in Cleveland and make the most money and be a beloved god for the rest of your career. The reality is that the cavs can't win a title as currently constructed. They can reach the finals in the east but they won't be able to beat the Warriors certainly and most likely the rockets. The 76ers have the potential to beat the warriors. 

The only real advantage the cavs have on the court is that Brooklyn pick and if that can swing into another superstar ala Paul George or something.

But the 76ers have so much potential and they have all those young guys on young player contracts.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kyrie Irving done for season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 05, 2018, 03:06:51 PM
Honestly other than his mouth Lavar Ball has little power and I think increasingly even that has less of an effect. And Lonzo's early career is pretty much dictated by rookie contract scales.

They aren't going to draft the other two brothers so the Lakers are fine. The just have to decide how they want to handle their cap space for the upcoming summer wisely.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kyrie Irving done for season)
Post by: etiolate on April 05, 2018, 07:48:50 PM
Not unless ABC puts them up on their channel site. There's just NBA TV streaming or the people streaming their NBA tv.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kyrie Irving done for season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 05, 2018, 09:31:58 PM
Quote from: Exodust on April 05, 2018, 07:10:50 PM
Is there any way to watch the NBA streaming that isn't pirated live streams? Curious cause I feel like following the playoffs live for once.

I mean the pirate streams are pretty decent. sometimes I switch from my actual stream to them


https://www.reddit.com/r/nbastreams/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kyrie Irving done for season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 05, 2018, 10:51:47 PM
Lebron just bitch-slapped the wizards. They were down by like 17 in the 4th quarter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnkXH_Mh7NU
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kyrie Irving done for season)
Post by: Nola on April 05, 2018, 11:16:23 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 05, 2018, 02:30:10 PM
I've wanted to make this post for awhile but the recent run by the 76ers has made it obvious. If you are Lebron (or Paul George) and are serious about winning a title, I don't see how you don't jump to this team.

I mean I could see the argument for Lebron in the sense that you can stay in Cleveland and make the most money and be a beloved god for the rest of your career. The reality is that the cavs can't win a title as currently constructed. They can reach the finals in the east but they won't be able to beat the Warriors certainly and most likely the rockets. The 76ers have the potential to beat the warriors. 

The only real advantage the cavs have on the court is that Brooklyn pick and if that can swing into another superstar ala Paul George or something.

But the 76ers have so much potential and they have all those young guys on young player contracts.

Lebron and Simmons trying to share the court though  :larry

But if they could find a way to make it work without Simmons just moving around waiting for lobs or cuts, that defensive potential  :checkit




Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kyrie Irving done for season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 05, 2018, 11:19:39 PM
Yeah the floor spacing would be a problem but that problem is one I would rather have than the existing cavs problems if I was Lebron.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kyrie Irving done for season)
Post by: Nola on April 05, 2018, 11:28:22 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 05, 2018, 11:19:39 PM
Yeah the floor spacing would be a problem but that problem is one I would rather have than the existing cavs problems if I was Lebron.
Yeah but thinking on it more, if you resign Reddick, if Embiid can be a little closer to rookie Embiid from three, and you get a ~40 3p% guard(doesn't have to be a traditional PG with Simmons/Bron around) that can defend....Throw in their young depth. Yeah, that is a crazy tough roster to beat in a 7 game series.

All of the sudden the spacing might not be an issue, just figuring out how to use Simmons and Brons ball handling skills together. But Bron has done it before with Wade so yeah.

I think I'm officially sold.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kyrie Irving done for season)
Post by: Akala on April 06, 2018, 09:04:45 AM
I could honestly see bron over to the sixers. it's gonna be a fun offseason.

wild west playoff hunt, 6 teams within 2 games that haven't clinched yet while the east is sorted already. would love a bit of serendipity where pels can get out of those last two (three!) seeds and make the second round but honestly should be worried about them getting in at this point  :goty2

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kyrie Irving done for season)
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 06, 2018, 10:25:53 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 05, 2018, 10:51:47 PM
Lebron just bitch-slapped the wizards. They were down by like 17 in the 4th quarter


Wow, I turned that game off at the end of 3, I thought there was no way they would come back.

John Wall was killing them.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kyrie Irving done for season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 06, 2018, 01:16:12 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on April 06, 2018, 10:25:53 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 05, 2018, 10:51:47 PM
Lebron just bitch-slapped the wizards. They were down by like 17 in the 4th quarter


Wow, I turned that game off at the end of 3, I thought there was no way they would come back.

John Wall was killing them.

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Teams were 2-461 this season when trailing by 16 with six minutes left, according to ESPN Stats & Information.


https://mobile.twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/982100029803556865
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kyrie Irving done for season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 06, 2018, 02:00:52 PM
Quote from: Nola on April 05, 2018, 11:28:22 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 05, 2018, 11:19:39 PM
Yeah the floor spacing would be a problem but that problem is one I would rather have than the existing cavs problems if I was Lebron.
Yeah but thinking on it more, if you resign Reddick, if Embiid can be a little closer to rookie Embiid from three, and you get a ~40 3p% guard(doesn't have to be a traditional PG with Simmons/Bron around) that can defend....Throw in their young depth. Yeah, that is a crazy tough roster to beat in a 7 game series.

All of the sudden the spacing might not be an issue, just figuring out how to use Simmons and Brons ball handling skills together. But Bron has done it before with Wade so yeah.

I think I'm officially sold.

I also think Bron would be nasty in Portland
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kyrie Irving done for season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 06, 2018, 05:37:54 PM
76ers vs Cavs tonight

 :jawalrus
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kyrie Irving done for season)
Post by: etiolate on April 06, 2018, 05:46:00 PM
I don't think Portland has the cap room for LeBron.

An interesting scenario is the Kawhi thing getting to the point where they offer him in some sort of trade for Lebron.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kyrie Irving done for season)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 06, 2018, 05:53:31 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 06, 2018, 05:37:54 PM
76ers vs Cavs tonight

 :jawalrus

oooooh nice. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kyrie Irving done for season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 06, 2018, 08:09:25 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 06, 2018, 05:37:54 PM
76ers vs Cavs tonight

 :jawalrus

Well this was an ass-kicking
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kyrie Irving done for season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 06, 2018, 09:27:40 PM
wow game got gud
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kyrie Irving done for season)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 06, 2018, 09:38:17 PM
good philly win. they snag third seed from cavs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Akala on April 10, 2018, 09:56:47 AM
Woo go Pels. I'd rather not get Houston in first round but what are you gonna do.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: etiolate on April 10, 2018, 01:22:06 PM
If Pels beat Spurs then I think they can get the 4th seed.

Speaking of the Spurs, they look bad. I don't know how they're going to defend any of the playoff point guards. I don't know how they score if Aldridge struggles.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Nola on April 10, 2018, 03:33:14 PM
https://twitter.com/PelicansNBA/status/983725432301207553

:mynicca
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 10, 2018, 08:26:33 PM
Random thoughts:

Pacers were 42-40 last season. Everybody, myself included thought that Paul George trade was one of the worst things ever. They are currently 48-33. They are also the #5 seed which means they currently will play the cavaliers who they won 3 of 4 against this season. They gave the Cavs a lot of problems.

Despite the turmoil and hoopla, Cleveland will probably end the season with the same 51-31 record they had last season. Lebron really carried this team in a crazy way at his age and you have to appreciate that, because they are absolutely a worse team this season than they were last season.

Timberwolves and Nuggets basically have a play-in game on the final day for that last playoff spot. Pretty cool. (Also I think the idea of a playoff system for the last few spots that the nba has been floating and Bill Simmons seems to love is idiotic. Stop trying to inject your college basketball bs in the pro game)

The Utah Jazz are 29-6 over their last 35 games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Nola on April 10, 2018, 08:54:20 PM
Honestly, if I'm the Warriors, I throw the game tonight lol.

I would not want that scenario where they draw the Jazz in the first round without Curry. And while the Thunder are also a possibility, I think they basically have to lose to the Grizzlies for that to happen.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 10, 2018, 09:04:00 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23089422/philadelphia-76ers-ben-simmons-says-100-percent-rookie-year

(https://i.redditmedia.com/IRo8J25R1DjpJL6sf9osJgsd9l1aY4ltsWrZ2Lo9XSc.jpg?fit=crop&crop=faces%2Centropy&arh=2&w=640&s=0e0261c0317015a783cfbb5160fecf0e)

 :ohhh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 10, 2018, 10:10:17 PM
Quote from: Stro on April 10, 2018, 10:06:04 PM
Who is everyone, because people in Indiana were ready to get rid of PG

It isn't really what people in Indiana thought its more that most people at the time thought they got back nothing at the time for a player who had more value in Paul George and who was highly regarded around the league. It was a value question. Cleveland almost certainly at the time was theoretically offering "more".

Nobody was really high on Victor Oladipo, nor did anybody really think he would turn in the season he has. But good on Indy. They were either incredibly lucky or saw something that nobody else did in the league at that time otherwise everybody would have been trying to acquire him. Oladipo I mean.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 10, 2018, 10:17:53 PM
I know the Warriors give no fucks about the regular season at the moment but jesus Christ, at least pretend a little.

Jazz 62-33 over Warriors at half time.

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Win or Go home. Timberwolves versus Nuggets)
Post by: El Babua on April 10, 2018, 11:05:39 PM
The Nets were 4-0 against the Heat with Lebron in 2014

Not that there isn't a chance, just don't see Lebron not continue deep dicking the east.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Win or Go home. Timberwolves versus Nuggets)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 10, 2018, 11:19:53 PM
Yeah lebrons innocent until proven guilty

e: in addition, it looks like Portland-Utah play for the 3rd seed and New Orleans-San Antonio play for the 4th/5th seed tomorrow
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Win or Go home. Timberwolves versus Nuggets)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 11, 2018, 04:18:00 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23110530/andre-ingram-los-angeles-lakers-scores-19-points-nba-debut-decade-g-league

https://streamable.com/4mzmr


 :obama
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Win or Go home. Timberwolves versus Nuggets)
Post by: team filler on April 11, 2018, 05:17:17 AM
https://twitter.com/Lakers/status/983938259993571328

 :tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Win or Go home. Timberwolves versus Nuggets)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 11, 2018, 10:03:40 PM
Not as fascinating this season but westbrook averages a triple double again
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Win or Go home. Timberwolves versus Nuggets)
Post by: Akala on April 11, 2018, 10:17:39 PM
Pels win, murder out in philly, Russ got it, fun night.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Win or Go home. Timberwolves versus Nuggets)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 11, 2018, 10:49:00 PM
Wolves grab last slot
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Win or Go home. Timberwolves versus Nuggets)
Post by: agrajag on April 11, 2018, 10:53:41 PM
Heat made playoffs  :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: El Babua on April 11, 2018, 11:05:55 PM
Heat vs Sixers should be fun at least

Embiid and Whiteside gonna be sniping each other on social media all series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: benjipwns on April 12, 2018, 02:55:14 AM
all the hoopla over LeBron playing 82 games for the first time in forever (prior high was 81 in 2008-09) i noticed another veteran "come back" year

Dwight Howard played 81 games, missing one for suspension, the most since he played 82 in 2009-10, he also averaged over 15/12 per game for the first time since 2013-14 (and 20/15 per 36 for the first time in his career, with most recent closest being 19/14 in 2011-12)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: benjipwns on April 12, 2018, 02:56:12 AM
Knicks will fire Jeff Hornacek apparently

their top targets are apparently Mark Jackson and David Blatt
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: etiolate on April 12, 2018, 02:58:27 AM
Hornacek is a good coach that I think may be bad at managing locker rooms. 

Neither Jackson or Blatt improve on those matters.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Beezy on April 12, 2018, 06:04:00 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on April 12, 2018, 02:56:12 AM
Knicks will fire Jeff Hornacek apparently

their top targets are apparently Mark Jackson and David Blatt
Eh... we'll see what happens I guess...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 12, 2018, 07:06:59 AM
The gods are smiling on the warriors by granting them that first round matchup. Going up against anybody else on the western side without curry would have been interesting. Against OKC or the Jazz, you could even envision a crazy upset.

Instead they go up against the weakest team in the west in the playoffs imo. I highly doubt Leonard is coming back and even if he did, he'd be rusty. So they get a nice first round bye and then curry will be back.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 12, 2018, 10:16:11 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23131355/orlando-magic-fire-coach-frank-vogel-two-seasons

Not surprising. Always thought he should have took time off after Indy instead of  jumping into that job. The Magic would be the team I would follow.... If they weren't  unwatchable.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 12, 2018, 10:35:31 PM
https://youtu.be/WXc9dR-CIBA
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: benjipwns on April 12, 2018, 11:10:49 PM
Vogel forgot to look at the Magic's front office situation, he was replacing the front office's desired coach in Scott Skiles while the front office viewed both Skiles and Vogel as essentially being the guy to come in and make all the pieces they had assembled work, thus why they went after vets like Ibaka and Jeff Green, defense guys like Biyombo, etc. which is the kind of guys a Skiles would want, and Vogel somewhat, for when he needed guys he could trust as the young guys finally started to put it together

only for that front office to be shitcanned because they were taking too long and rather than hire a clear authority, the team did the classic hire an old hand GM and a young up and comer as his boss, while still having a roster of misfit parts that the team didn't make better by flipping Ibaka for Ross and then loading up on more role players like Afflalo, Mack, Speights, etc. while the team was continuing to do a churn through of their younger pieces

aaron gordon still somehow has become a tweener in a league in which positions are even more hypothetical than ever before, they're paying $27 million a year to players who are seriously liabilities at too many things on the court (Ross and Biyombo) and sometimes don't even play in games where there's no matchups

and the capper was probably dealing a 23 year old point guard, who yes, has his problems, but was playing the best of his career, and they dumped him for a second round pick BEFORE seeing what his market value looked like, with their backup plan being $20+ million for point/combo guards all over the age of 28 who won't be around by the time Gordon and Hezonja finally, if ever, are as good as Fournier, let alone whatever Isaac may become

they have no plan, and the one player they might have been able to flip in a year or so to move one of the toxic assets they dumped for a second rounder because he hadn't yet wowed them at age 23

didn't help that the team was injured so much and it probably really killed their offense when they didn't have three or more creators or at least the twosome of Fournier/Vucevic

vogel might be better off getting one of those new associate head coach gigs on a good team or moving up team, like the pelicans and timberwolves who need some defensive fixing
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: benjipwns on April 12, 2018, 11:16:29 PM
Orlando had no pair of players play more than 1310 minutes together all season, the Hornets had eleven such pairs, Sixers and Pelicans had seven, even the Cavs had three despite turning over half the roster (Orlando had only three pairs log 1000 minutes together, the Cavs somehow had seven...edit: the Rockets had 16 lol)

Fournier/Vucevic played only 960 minutes together, with a point differential of a 42-40 team
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: etiolate on April 13, 2018, 12:01:23 AM
I think Hezonja is gone. They didn't re-up his rookie contract. I know the Kings have been eyeing Hezonja for awhile and they have a ton of cap space.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 13, 2018, 10:19:06 AM
Just like in real life jobs, I just think there are some jobs nba coaches shouldn't take even if the opportunity presents itself. I know Vogel was embarrassed/angry with the way he was treated in Indy but Orlando is just a trainwreck in leadership.

Another example would be Bryon's Scott last tenure in LA. Not that I think Scott is a good coach or helped himself with any of the silly things he said while there but that was clearly a dead man walking job the moment it was presented to him. I understand that you have to make your opportunities sometimes, but sometimes its simply just a trap and scapegoat job that is being presented.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: etiolate on April 13, 2018, 01:15:09 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/984841260593709057

damn
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: TEEEPO on April 13, 2018, 01:47:15 PM
this might be a blessing

it does explain the ty lawson signing though
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Nola on April 14, 2018, 12:09:30 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/kpcOhVH.png)

 :heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 14, 2018, 03:45:27 PM
Predictions

Spurs versus Warriors.

Joke Series. Warriors in 4 or 5 depending on how much interest they bring.

Washington versus Toronto

Raptors in 6. I don't understand why Washington plays so poorly with the talent they have. On paper I think they have a chance to beat the Raptors but they don't play up to their talent level and everybody on the team seems to hate each other.

Miami versus Philly

A lot of people think Miami will give Philly all kind of problems and have a legit chance of snatching an upset. I'm not one of those people.

Philly in 5.


New Orleans versus Portland.

I have no idea who will win this series. My brain says Portland but Anthony Davis has been dominant the latter part of the season.

Portland in 7.


Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 14, 2018, 04:54:36 PM
Imagine the hoopla and endless reams of pontificating that would have happened to Lebron earlier in his career if something like this Kawhi Leonard thing had happened.

Which is not to say that I'm blaming Kawhi. If dude says he's hurt, I'll believe him until evidence suggests otherwise. Not talking to the media is only going to encourage them to increase their hot take propensity though.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: El Babua on April 14, 2018, 11:01:13 PM
Heat got washed in the second half.

Neither Whiteside or Dragic came to play today.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: agrajag on April 14, 2018, 11:03:39 PM
Quote from: El Babua on April 14, 2018, 11:01:13 PM
Heat got washed in the second half.

Neither Whiteside or Dragic came to play today.

Whiteside  ::)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: benjipwns on April 15, 2018, 12:44:15 AM
Quote from: Nola on April 14, 2018, 12:09:30 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/kpcOhVH.png)

 :heh
:ohhh

(https://i.imgur.com/JZwEyLG.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Akala on April 15, 2018, 01:12:28 AM
 :whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Nola on April 15, 2018, 01:29:48 AM
https://twitter.com/Rachel__Nichols/status/985385727465631746

They fucking better!!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Nola on April 15, 2018, 02:29:30 AM
Not gonna lie, this kind of stings a bit and makes me wonder in ways I hadn't about Cousins since he's gotten on the court here:

Quote
New Orleans Pelicans coach Alvin Gentry said Saturday afternoon (April 14) that injured forward DeMarcus Cousins would not attend his team's playoff-opening game that night in Portland, Oregon, because he still has not been cleared to fly as he rehabs from an Achilles tear.

But Cousins' manager, Andrew Rogers, posted a photo of him with Cousins aboard what appeared to be a private plane, possibly headed to Coachella, according to the wording in the post.


Quote
Gentry said before the game Saturday "we would love for him to be here because he's been an integral part of this. I feel really bad for him because he's been great for us."

Pelicans guard Jrue Holiday said Friday he hoped Cousins could attend to see "what's in store for him" before Cousins reaches unrestricted free agency this summer. Multiple other players said they hoped Cousins would be on hand for the game.



(https://i.imgur.com/a6dTxhu.jpg)

http://www.nola.com/pelicans/index.ssf/2018/04/cousins_instagram_plane_photo.html

 :shaq2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Akala on April 15, 2018, 02:45:22 AM
Damn Boogie, even I picked watching the Pels over chella today.  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 15, 2018, 12:38:59 PM
More Predictions

Bucks versus Celtics

Bucks should be slightly better than they are and of course they have Giannis but the Celtics have a great coach and great defense. Celtics in 6

Pacers versus Cavs.

I have to pick Playoff Lebron but I don't feel great about it. This is the worst Lebron team since those early Cavs teams. The defense is historically bad and I could easily see them getting picked off at any point. Still will says Cavs in 5 or 6.

Jazz versus Okc.

Probably my favorite matchup of the first round. OKC is a undisciplined mess full of superstar talent. Utah is a well disciplined defensive machine and the offense is well coached. I legit have no idea who will win it. Let's says OKC squeaks by in 6 or 7 but I'm actually rooting for the Jazz.

T Wolves versus Rockets

Who are we kidding. Rockets in 4 or 5.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: etiolate on April 15, 2018, 02:11:24 PM
Rooting for Jazz as well.

Jazz on/off stats pair positively with Ingles, but I wonder if OKC sticks George on Mitchell and try to take him out of the game completely.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 15, 2018, 04:16:26 PM
Cavs defense

 :gurl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 15, 2018, 04:16:53 PM
believeland looks like poooop
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 15, 2018, 06:08:35 PM
That was an emperor has no clothes style beatdown.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 15, 2018, 06:23:36 PM
I don’t think they’ll get 3 more games off of Cleveland, but the pacers will definitely force lebron to work for this series, which is cool
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: etiolate on April 15, 2018, 06:23:37 PM
Perhaps the fastest pace team in the league is not a good match-up for Lebron.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Nola on April 15, 2018, 06:24:25 PM
Oladipo needs to get ready to foul out for game 2, Stephenson about to get double T'd, and Lebron is gonna roll with 25FT's.

No way the fuckery isn't at peak form next game lol.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: etiolate on April 15, 2018, 06:44:23 PM
Mitchell dgaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Nola on April 15, 2018, 06:50:55 PM
Quote from: Stro on April 15, 2018, 06:30:23 PM
The refs tried to help The Land and even they couldn't save them

(https://www.phillyref.com/basketball/nbarefs/scott_foster.jpg)

"...Someone said the refs tried to help The Land and came up short? Ha! Hold my beer!"

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Honestly James needs to nut up and guard Oladipo. Dare the rest of the team to beat them.
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 15, 2018, 08:38:00 PM
Paul George insanely hot tonight
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Mandark on April 15, 2018, 09:25:03 PM
Quote from: etiolate on April 15, 2018, 06:23:37 PM
Perhaps the fastest pace team in the league is not a good match-up for Lebron.

eh?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: El Babua on April 15, 2018, 10:25:05 PM
I think I heard on Zach Lowe's podcast that the Pacers have been playing the fastest in the league since the start of the year.

As far as results go, it's game 1, but match-up problems are evident. And Bron ball ain't gonna work if shooters are bricking.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Nola on April 15, 2018, 10:31:37 PM
Quote from: El Babua on April 15, 2018, 10:25:05 PM
I think I heard on Zach Lowe's podcast that the Pacers have been playing the fastest in the league since the start of the year.

As far as results go, it's game 1, but match-up problems are evident. And Bron ball ain't gonna work if shooters are bricking.


Do you think you might of heard "slowest pace" maybe?

https://stats.nba.com/teams/advanced/?sort=PACE&dir=-1&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DateFrom=01%2F01%2F2018
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: El Babua on April 15, 2018, 10:49:01 PM
Quote from: Nola on April 15, 2018, 10:31:37 PM
Quote from: El Babua on April 15, 2018, 10:25:05 PM
I think I heard on Zach Lowe's podcast that the Pacers have been playing the fastest in the league since the start of the year.

As far as results go, it's game 1, but match-up problems are evident. And Bron ball ain't gonna work if shooters are bricking.


Do you think you might of heard "slowest pace" maybe?

https://stats.nba.com/teams/advanced/?sort=PACE&dir=-1&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DateFrom=01%2F01%2F2018

Probably. I think the larger conversation in the podcast was about how the Pacers have been so good this year and how they don't mind taking so many midrange jumpers compared to modern NBA sensibilities. Also, how Houston have been playing at a glacial pace compared to the seven second offense D'Antoni ran with the Suns.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Nola on April 15, 2018, 10:52:50 PM
Quote from: El Babua on April 15, 2018, 10:49:01 PM
Quote from: Nola on April 15, 2018, 10:31:37 PM
Quote from: El Babua on April 15, 2018, 10:25:05 PM
I think I heard on Zach Lowe's podcast that the Pacers have been playing the fastest in the league since the start of the year.

As far as results go, it's game 1, but match-up problems are evident. And Bron ball ain't gonna work if shooters are bricking.


Do you think you might of heard "slowest pace" maybe?

https://stats.nba.com/teams/advanced/?sort=PACE&dir=-1&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DateFrom=01%2F01%2F2018

Probably. I think the larger conversation in the podcast was about how the Pacers have been so good this year and how they don't mind taking so many midrange jumpers compared to modern NBA sensibilities. Also, how Houston have been playing at a glacial pace compared to the seven second offense D'Antoni ran with the Suns.

Yeah I was shocked how slow Houston was when I just looked up the pace stats since January.

I knew they were not putting a huge emphasis on pace like past D'Antoni teams, just the types of shots, but still, 23rd was surprising. Slower than the Timberwolves they are playing. Which I was not expecting.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 15, 2018, 11:00:04 PM
Anything is possible but any team with Durant, Curry, Klay, Draymond is still the favorite to make and win the finals.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Nola on April 15, 2018, 11:05:57 PM
Yeah I mean I think one of the two is probably going, most likely the Warriors, but man I certainly can't wait til this Cavs/Warriors nonsense is over.

 I just can't get excited for watching that same thing again, with an even less talented Cavs team no less.

Unfortunately, I can totally see Lebron going to somewhere like Houston and just making the Western conference finals the real championship every year where the Warriors/Rockets fight it out for another 3-4 years. Which is no better.



Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 15, 2018, 11:25:36 PM
Butler Hero ball shots

 :beli
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: eleuin on April 16, 2018, 11:29:07 PM
https://twitter.com/notRockB/status/986073127791673346
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 16, 2018, 11:47:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23-u-mx0rP4&
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Nola on April 17, 2018, 01:09:47 AM
https://twitter.com/itsgabrielleu/status/986075017015422977


Bonus:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/PFTCommenter/status/986082528040816642
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: benjipwns on April 17, 2018, 05:54:08 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 15, 2018, 09:25:03 PM
Quote from: etiolate on April 15, 2018, 06:23:37 PM
Perhaps the fastest pace team in the league is not a good match-up for Lebron.

eh?
Every time I tell you horsefuckers basic information and you get mad, perhaps you should ask how you keep missing the obvious thing every time.

It's time you get a better retort than "I knew that."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 17, 2018, 09:17:24 PM
I'm so jealous of Celtics having Brad Stevens  :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: etiolate on April 18, 2018, 12:22:14 AM
Dame praying for Clark instead of Jrue in this game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 18, 2018, 12:51:19 AM
rondo dagger 3

 :jawalrus
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: etiolate on April 18, 2018, 01:06:58 AM
Playof Rondo makes me think he just gets bored with regular season games. in Playoffs he can strategize one team at a time and max out his skill set.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Nola on April 18, 2018, 01:47:35 AM
https://twitter.com/DefPenHoops/status/986467870111600641

https://twitter.com/PelicansNBA/status/986469927975448576

spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SQa48DcX1E
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: etiolate on April 18, 2018, 02:36:43 AM
They'd be a bigger threat with Boogie, but that is assuming they still trade for Mirotic. The pure stretch 4, plus the pound and stretch of Boogie, and combined with AD would be a nightmare for other teams.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 18, 2018, 10:32:08 AM
Pels :aah
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 18, 2018, 04:02:58 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23224205/milwaukee-bucks-point-guard-eric-bledsoe-dismisses-boston-celtics-terry-rozier

 :umad

My Stevens post last night was originally going to be a rozier post.


Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 18, 2018, 07:19:03 PM
Lebron aggresive tonight
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 18, 2018, 07:40:56 PM
Pacers still will have a chance to get back in. Cavs defense makes no lead sustainable.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 18, 2018, 08:12:01 PM
Lebron might get 50 tonight
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 18, 2018, 09:36:33 PM
Great game from Lebron obviously but the cavs issues are abundantly clear. Poor defense and no secondary dribble drive guy to break down the opposition.

I wonder if Love broke some fingers on that deflection which would sit him for future games.

Gonna be a tough series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 18, 2018, 09:40:03 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23236973/erin-popovich-wife-san-antonio-spurs-coach-gregg-popovich-dies-wednesday


 :'(

damn pop. Had no idea she was sick. Surprised he is even coaching.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Akala on April 18, 2018, 09:56:47 PM
 :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: benjipwns on April 19, 2018, 08:23:04 AM
for more of a feel good story: https://www.theringer.com/nba-playoffs/2018/4/17/17244490/brandon-jennings-milwaukee-bucks-return
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: benjipwns on April 19, 2018, 08:30:04 AM
Quote
TNT analyst Kenny Smith will interview for the New York Knicks' head-coaching job on Friday, a source told ESPN's Stephen A. Smith.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 19, 2018, 02:57:35 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on April 19, 2018, 08:30:04 AM
Quote
TNT analyst Kenny Smith will interview for the New York Knicks' head-coaching job on Friday, a source told ESPN's Stephen A. Smith.

Yeah I was going to post this last night but forgot. Some of these knicks candidates are...

Jeff Van Gundy, Mike Woodson....

Knicks gonna knick

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 19, 2018, 03:54:13 PM
Kenny would be such a terrible pick  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Beezy on April 19, 2018, 07:41:29 PM
I'm never paying for NBA League Pass again. Stream quality fluctuates badly and I can't watch any playoff games until 3 hrs after the game is over since they're all aired nationally. What a waste of money.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: etiolate on April 19, 2018, 09:05:13 PM
league pass struggles to be better than the pirate streams

and the pirate streams let you watch local
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 19, 2018, 09:25:02 PM
Whiteside is lost
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 19, 2018, 09:27:15 PM
Quote from: Beezy on April 19, 2018, 07:41:29 PM
I'm never paying for NBA League Pass again. Stream quality fluctuates badly and I can't watch any playoff games until 3 hrs after the game is over since they're all aired nationally. What a waste of money.

Pirate Streams are almost always better than any of the streams I get through my cable company. Really weird.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 19, 2018, 09:45:25 PM
sixers are scary man.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: etiolate on April 19, 2018, 09:53:21 PM
man Pels are all over the Blazers like a rabid animal
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Akala on April 19, 2018, 11:42:06 PM
 :preach
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: etiolate on April 19, 2018, 11:58:26 PM
grats to reilo

well deserved for Portland
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: agrajag on April 20, 2018, 12:28:10 AM
Who can we trade Whiteside for
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Beezy on April 20, 2018, 01:31:18 AM
Quote from: etiolate on April 19, 2018, 09:05:13 PM
league pass struggles to be better than the pirate streams

and the pirate streams let you watch local

Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 19, 2018, 09:27:15 PM
Quote from: Beezy on April 19, 2018, 07:41:29 PM
I'm never paying for NBA League Pass again. Stream quality fluctuates badly and I can't watch any playoff games until 3 hrs after the game is over since they're all aired nationally. What a waste of money.

Pirate Streams are almost always better than any of the streams I get through my cable company. Really weird.
Please message me about where to find these streams.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2018, 01:39:05 AM
The streams show up a few hours before the game and then get taken down.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Beezy on April 20, 2018, 01:43:03 AM
Thanks guys. :piss League Pass :piss2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Nola on April 20, 2018, 03:08:40 AM
Pels game in two pictures:


(https://i.imgur.com/KIOrVZ3.jpg?1)

(https://i.imgur.com/lI7OrtP.jpg?1)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Nola on April 20, 2018, 03:42:27 AM
Also by far the best game atmosphere I have been a part of since the team has been here(didn't get to see the 2007 run in person though). Still buzzing from the experience.


I'm sure for other teams this is probably more routine, but to see a crowd with this level of energy was something special, just hope we can carry into the rest of the playoffs and next season.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZYLnLSX.jpg?1)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2018, 08:40:19 PM
Kevin Love is so awful in the post. Like a slow, unathletic turtle.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2018, 09:31:34 PM
Pacers are simply the better team.  They play a better brand of offense and defense. Cavs are super shitty version of Houston. No movement on offense. Slow on D. Lue doesn't help.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: El Babua on April 20, 2018, 09:41:26 PM
Yeah, this Cavs team doesn't have the switch they had the last 3 years.

As they look right now, any of the top 6 west teams would beat them in a series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: samfish on April 20, 2018, 09:43:26 PM
Still blows my mind that the Cavs failed to secure Paul George at the start of the season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2018, 09:45:53 PM
Quote from: El Babua on April 20, 2018, 09:41:26 PM
Yeah, this Cavs team doesn't have the same switch they had the last 3 years.

As they look right now, any of the top 6 west teams would beat them in a series.

They were a two super star team (I'm gonna ignore whatever Love is because it ain't a superstar) and one of those got removed in the off-season. The whole season has been this way. An ugly grind.

Forgot about the West. They ain't making it to the finals. Highly probable they aren't making it out of this series.

Quote from: samfish on April 20, 2018, 09:43:26 PM
Still blows my mind that the Cavs failed to secure Paul George at the start of the season.

I mean they tried. Indy went with the OKC offer which in retrospect was brilliant.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: agrajag on April 20, 2018, 09:50:46 PM
Quote from: El Babua on April 20, 2018, 09:41:26 PM
Yeah, this Cavs team doesn't have the switch they had the last 3 years.

As they look right now, any of the top 6 west teams would beat them in a series.

You give the Heat too much credit  :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: El Babua on April 20, 2018, 09:55:27 PM
Quote from: agrajag on April 20, 2018, 09:50:46 PM
Quote from: El Babua on April 20, 2018, 09:41:26 PM
Yeah, this Cavs team doesn't have the switch they had the last 3 years.

As they look right now, any of the top 6 west teams would beat them in a series.

You give the Heat too much credit  :-\

That's why I said west. Heat would give them a good 7 games that can go either way. :P
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: agrajag on April 20, 2018, 09:57:05 PM
oh shit, I missed the West part, my bad


So in retrospect, was Love worth losing Wiggins for?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 20, 2018, 10:05:35 PM
Idk, Wiggins isn’t that nice either
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2018, 10:09:17 PM
Quote from: agrajag on April 20, 2018, 09:57:05 PM
oh shit, I missed the West part, my bad


So in retrospect, was Love worth losing Wiggins for?

I mean its not like Wiggins has shown much himself. The Timberwolves fanbase isn't really happy with him either especially since they gave him the max. He's pretty much just an inefficient scorer who doesn't really play great defense.

I've never especially Loved Love in Cleveland but he serves a purpose when the other pieces are in place. A stretch 4 or 5 who spreads the floor. He's basically a too expensive puzzle piece The big sin was letting Kyrie go. You needed somebody else to diversify the offense. Kyrie was the important part of that. Once you removed him and basically replaced him with nothing (Isiah & then Clarkson) the whole engine breaks down. It can't just be Lebron. That is too predictable.   
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 20, 2018, 10:17:15 PM
I mean wasn’t it mostly about kyrie wanting out after last years finals loss? I remember it being initiated by kyries camp. You’d know better than I would though
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: samfish on April 20, 2018, 10:28:20 PM
Yeah Kyrie wanted out.

It’s be kinda funny if Bron went to Boston after this season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2018, 10:28:28 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on April 20, 2018, 10:17:15 PM
I mean wasn’t it mostly about kyrie wanting out after last years finals loss? I remember it being initiated by kyries camp. You’d know better than I would though

Most people believe that Kyrie wanted out partially because he didn't want to be under Lebron anymore but also partially because he was being dangled in trade talks at the time which is true. How much each factored in only Kyrie knows. He apparently threatened to have the current knee surgery he is having now before the season which would have scrapped his entire season unless he was traded.

I would have called his bluff. If you are in win now mode, you either keep him or you have to get back a quality player in return. Once you traded him and got nothing back, the Cavs finals run was effectively done.   
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2018, 10:43:59 PM
I mean a post-mortem on this Cavs era will be a mix of missed opportunities, unfortunate timing with the rise of the warriors, and bad contract management.

The first finals run had Kyrie and Love hurt.

The second finals run was the win.

The third finals run was running into the brick wall of the Warriors juggernaut which happened because the cap exploded.

After the title win, they paid everybody and that was mistake. Lebron is not innocent here. It seemed fine at the time because everybody was overpaying everybody but it wasn't a good thing.

They should have let Schumpert walk. JR smith eventually got paid right when he was just at the tipping point of being washed up. Tristan Thompson got paid and he can't even get on the floor with the current squad. The league has moved away from the type of player he is at lightspeed. They started bringing in more and more offensive oriented players with sub-par defensive skills. It all adds up.

I'm assuming Lebron is gone of course because he has always chosen free agent opportunity of winning over staying in a situation where there is little to no hope. That's my guess of course but we'll see.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2018, 10:54:59 PM
Quote from: Stro on April 20, 2018, 10:52:05 PM
The story is going to be about how everyone underestimated Oladipo as the Pacers head to the finals for the first time in 18 years :lawd

lol. I don't think its gonna happen but good luck on it.

That being said, I love Oladipo. I'm super happy he's the man now. I always liked that dude. I always wanted him to turn it around. If they beat the Cavs, I'll be rooting for them.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: benjipwns on April 21, 2018, 04:18:01 AM
I looked into this:
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Apparently, an NBA owner got angry with a coach this season for trying too hard in a game that his team won. ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski noted that instance in his podcast, which was picked up on by a keen Reddit user.

“I never heard more talk from front office executives’ frustration with coaches who were winning games that they didn’t want them to win. And owners, I know of an instance of an owner berating, really berating his coach here in the last several weeks of the season for going in and beating a pretty good team on the road, going ‘what are you doing?’ And think about that, that should not be going on.”
And I'm like 99.9% sure it's the Hawks. They beat the Wizards and Celtics back-to-back in games 80 and 81. And had beat the Jazz in Utah a couple weeks earlier. They could have tied Memphis for second worst record without the Wizards and Celtics wins. Tied Phoenix without the Jazz win also.

Plus it's fairly clear that ownership are not exactly fans of Budenholzer.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: El Babua on April 21, 2018, 05:24:09 PM
Bro, I wish we had another offensively capable player down the strech other than ancient Wade.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: El Babua on April 21, 2018, 05:26:22 PM
Also, if this series ends in the expected way, I wouldn't mind the Heat shedding all our contracts and embracing the tank.

Provided Bron doesn't come back down  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: etiolate on April 21, 2018, 06:05:47 PM
This is the best the Blazers have looked in the series and they still haven't figured out the Pels.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 21, 2018, 06:18:08 PM
testy
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 21, 2018, 07:46:08 PM
What a series for Pels and Davis.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Akala on April 21, 2018, 07:59:00 PM
AWOOOOO
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: etiolate on April 21, 2018, 08:16:52 PM
Things I noticed going into the next round:

1. The Blazers are a poor passing team and the traps exploited that. Inaccurate, slow passing meant they rarely burned the Pels for their defense. Evan Turner being a playmaking SF who can't playmake only worsened that.

2. Pels got away with playing illegal D a ton in this series. The refs won't ignore that versus Golden State.

4. Solomon Hill is not in sych with the rest of the team so far.

5. JRue took Dame's soul. Curious to see when Steph plays for GS.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 21, 2018, 09:55:51 PM
Houston will still win series but this is why people don't trust them versus Warriors
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: etiolate on April 21, 2018, 09:59:20 PM
Derrick Rose 2018

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: eleuin on April 21, 2018, 11:20:29 PM
https://twitter.com/vincestaples/status/986468514683699201
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 22, 2018, 12:31:44 AM
okc

 :derp
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: El Babua on April 22, 2018, 01:22:52 AM
Rubio :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 22, 2018, 03:13:16 AM
https://youtu.be/1hrBhERKD0E
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Nola on April 22, 2018, 01:11:55 PM
https://twitter.com/MustBeCharm/status/987656092720205824
 :dead

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 22, 2018, 08:45:05 PM
Wizards made it a series
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 22, 2018, 08:49:59 PM
accident
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: agrajag on April 22, 2018, 10:46:11 PM
Cavs are gonna lose aren't they
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 22, 2018, 11:23:25 PM
What the fuck?? Call on the floor was a jump ball, they went to the monitor, green clearly initiating hostilities between he and lance, then they reverse the call to a flagrant 1 on lance, and give green 2 shots while everyone’s on the line like it’s a common foul?

What the fuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 22, 2018, 11:23:51 PM
Good intense game.

Fun first round of games.

Kevin Love 2 of 10. 5 points.  :piss2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: agrajag on April 22, 2018, 11:51:33 PM
gotta disagree, lance dragged him to the floor
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 23, 2018, 10:23:16 AM
I watched the post-game show and evidently the ref (on the floor) had his hand up because he called a foul on Stephenson putting a headlock on his opponent.

The Cavs looked like dogshit for 90% of that game and Kevin Love is infuriating to watch sometimes.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 23, 2018, 10:49:42 AM
Cavs deserve to lose this series
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: etiolate on April 23, 2018, 05:04:57 PM
https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/988517020768485376

Durant is a great player, but he comes off as one weak ass personality.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 23, 2018, 07:03:48 PM
He's always been super prickly. The media ignored it when they wanted to bash on Lebron and promote him as the anti-Lebron but him going to the Warriors changed that.

Nothing wrong with being prickly. There are plenty of reasons to crap on the media. But Durant is annoyingly passive aggressive about it. Not to mention the whole twitter thing was just embarrassing for a star of his stature. You expect that from someone like Lance Stephenson. Not arguably the best player in the game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: benjipwns on April 23, 2018, 08:20:09 PM
durant's oddities where he's totally wired differently from everyone else can be amusing

my favorite thing about durant are all his tattoos that are just inside his jersey fit so they never show

also the warriors all getting frustrated with him slowing things down so he could call isolation plays last year was funny or green yapping at him when he would pull his "sorry, can't help you, i'm denying my guy the ball" defense routine when he sees a play coming towards his area of the court
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2018, 12:55:06 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 22, 2018, 12:31:44 AM
okc

 :derp
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2018, 01:24:13 AM
There isn't any shame in losing a series to the Jazz. They are a good team. But the way they are losing...

That is not a good look.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 24, 2018, 01:35:17 AM
George might be gone
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: Nola on April 24, 2018, 04:34:39 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2018, 01:24:13 AM
There isn't any shame in losing a series to the Jazz. They are a good team. But the way they are losing...

That is not a good look.

(https://i.imgur.com/zsxR3GL.jpg?1)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: Akala on April 24, 2018, 09:56:59 AM
I never knew about KD’s tats :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2018, 10:27:46 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on April 23, 2018, 08:20:09 PM
durant's oddities where he's totally wired differently from everyone else can be amusing

my favorite thing about durant are all his tattoos that are just inside his jersey fit so they never show

also the warriors all getting frustrated with him slowing things down so he could call isolation plays last year was funny or green yapping at him when he would pull his "sorry, can't help you, i'm denying my guy the ball" defense routine when he sees a play coming towards his area of the court

For what its worth I like that Durant is the way he is. Not in that I think its cool but in that I think NBA players of all the sports seem to be the most human to me. By that I mean they are just like us. They are just as petty, have just as must unjustified ego, and behave the same way regular people do. I think that's an endearing quality of the NBA. The players don't feel like phony robots compared to other sports.

It also makes for fun 30 for 30's later in their life.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: agrajag on April 24, 2018, 10:58:50 AM
Other athletes aren't petty? Have you seen UFC brah?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: curly on April 24, 2018, 11:00:54 AM
One of my favorite Durant being weird moments was when the warriors got blown out in his first game with them and everybody freaked out so he did the whole practicing-in-an-empty-gym-by-yourself thing, except with the media present and recording video of him yelling at himself about how the haters said he was a coward, had no drive, etc. Afterwards when they asked him about it he said, "Nobody in this arena right now, and that’s when you get better. Nobody sees you when you’re doing this stuff right here, but luckily y’all was in here watching," which almost sounds like a Zen koan.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: curly on April 24, 2018, 11:20:16 AM
Quote from: agrajag on April 24, 2018, 10:58:50 AM
Other athletes aren't petty? Have you seen UFC brah?

Those are people suffering from mental illness
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: agrajag on April 24, 2018, 11:25:38 AM
You would too after repeated head trauma
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: curly on April 24, 2018, 11:39:12 AM
did you ever talk to the wrestlers in high school, they started out that way
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: Nola on April 24, 2018, 04:17:52 PM
Since this thread is also fairly interested in Boogie, this article by Zach Lowe talking mostly about the Boogie-Pelicans fit(he sees it as a mixed bag), but also about the early negotiations on Boogie's next contract is fairly interesting. It's looking like the Pels(against what I suspected would be Dell handing Boogie a blank check and letting him fill it in like they basically did with Jrue) are going to play a bit of hardball. At least more so than I expected.

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The Pelicans have broached internally the idea of offering Cousins a two- or three-year deal at less than the max, per sources familiar with the discussions. I would not expect that to go over well with Cousins' camp. But the Pelicans have the dual leverage of winning without Cousins and a tepid market for him.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23297808/zach-lowe-anthony-davis-demarcus-cousins-new-orleans-pelicans-nba-playoffs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: etiolate on April 24, 2018, 04:44:40 PM
I was expecting a two year deal at high salary. The injury weakens Cousins bargaining position and I don't think any other team will offer him multi-max.

You're also dealing with the Pels history of paying oft-injured players and being weighted down by their contract. You're also wondering if the Pels medical squad can ever get something right. (Though I think Boogie has his own specialists on it.)

I think Cousins gives the Pels someone who can rest Davis and play minutes with a second unit while Davis rests. The big test will be his defensive mobility after the injury. His offensive game is already pretty well adapted.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: Nola on April 24, 2018, 05:15:12 PM
The Pels are in a delicate situation.

On the one hand you have the playoff unit that has played better than any Cousins/AD combo so far. Which fits much more ideally with what Gentry and Erman - who they just picked the options up on - wants to do on both ends.

On the other hand Davis and Rondo both love Cousins. And the 9 game stretch before he went down showed there was definitely something emerging. And AD certainly has no desire to play center for 82 games still.

The wildcard is honestly Cousins and how he takes a hard negotiation. He's done everything you could ask of a player since getting here, he clearly loves this team and wants to be here, and no doubt Demps sell to Cousins will be that he wants the space to help try and add another impact player(local reporters say that George is at the top of their most wanted board, however unlikely). However, Cousins just got screwed out of money in Sacramento, and he could easily see this as him getting stabbed in the back by New Orleans as well, and if the Pelicans are perceived to have crossed that line things could get ugly all over. Ugly like CP3 and D-West seething over the Shinn era Hornets trying to trade Chandler for OKC scrubs to save money. Which in their own words was the breaking point where both started seeking exit strategies.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: Akala on April 24, 2018, 08:09:19 PM
It's gonna be interesting. Agree that I really think they will need to toe the line and not seem like they're screwing him or risk the whole thing crumbling (even though going a different direction might be better for everyone else involved). Hopefully Boogie can be convinced to take a 'bet on yourself' high-value short-term deal (and recover from injury, which isn't guaranteed). He's been great so far, I am pulling for him.

Its just the people that question the fit (in all facets) have legitimate points.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: Nola on April 24, 2018, 08:49:03 PM
https://twitter.com/sbordow/status/988512267284111360

 :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2018, 09:22:49 PM
maybe the report was garbled and the Suns are actually trying to build a backcourt in the late 1990s?

edit: ha they were both on the 2001 Suns
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: El Babua on April 24, 2018, 11:35:20 PM
Got that work by the Sixers again.

Congrats Philly fans.

As far as the Heat goes, it's gonna be hard as hell offloading these contracts. We're gonna be a middling team for the next few years with this roster. Best case scenario is hope Whiteside, Dragic and/or Waiters have good numbers before the ASB so we can get rid of them for picks. I don't see us competing talent wise to Philly/Boston the next few years and whatever team LeBron ends up playing for.

Good job, good effort for the season though. Been fun (and frustrating) as hell.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 25, 2018, 12:15:12 AM
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ULfXyM9jVZ4/hqdefault.jpg)

#trusttheprocess
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: etiolate on April 25, 2018, 12:20:31 AM
Sacramento news:

Kings fired longtime PA Scott Moak. A lot of people upset at this move. Even Amick tweeted about it.

Also related, the Bee finally let go Aliene Voisin. She was the one that kept writing the negative Cousins articles and had a history of attacking certain players.

Jerry Reynolds also retiring.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: benjipwns on April 25, 2018, 12:41:36 AM
NBA BEEF SQUASHED:
(https://images.tmz.com/2018/04/24/0424-derek-fisher-engaged-tmz-4.jpg)
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Matt Barnes has weighed in on the engagement ... saying he's happy for EVERYONE involved!

"I have two beautiful boys from my ex we are both focussing on co-parenting & providing the best atmosphere & childhood for them," Barnes said ... "They love him, so I love it.

"Despite not seeing eye to eye initially w Derek he & I are on the same page & communicate weekly about Isaiah and Carter."

"With that being said congrats on the engagement!"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: benjipwns on April 25, 2018, 12:50:07 AM
now if i only i could find some explanation and conclusion about the NBA's greatest yet most irrelevant feud of the last couple decades between Rick Brunson and Chris Jefferies

my favorite part was when Jefferies got traded to the Bulls, and then later that season the Bulls went and traded for Brunson too:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2003-12-12/sports/0312120417_1_bulls-general-manager-john-paxson-scottie-pippen
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The disparaging comments Chris Jefferies and Rick Brunson traded last week won't affect Brunson's trade to the Bulls next Monday. General manager John Paxson talked to Brunson, who assured him he would handle the situation professionally and directly. Brunson isn't eligible to be traded until Dec. 15, at which time the Bulls will send Roger Mason Jr. to Toronto.

Jefferies, who may not stick with the Bulls, accused Brunson of being a locker-room spy for Toronto coach Kevin O'Neill and claimed the veteran reserve point guard wasn't popular with his Raptors teammates. Brunson fired back, saying Jefferies "can't play and can't be coached."

Jerome Williams, who talked to Jefferies about keeping problems in house, said Brunson's intense attitude can some the wrong way. "But we have to embrace a new teammate," Williams said. "You don't have to marry a guy or be his best friend. But when we're on the floor, we have to be together."

Brunson was one of the more popular Bulls last season and has earned a reputation as a professional who pushes opponents in practice. Scottie Pippen, who played with Brunson in Portland, called him "a great teammate."

tho my favorite short term escalation beef...I know a lot of people will go for the time Doug Christie and Rick Fox got into it and then their wives both bolted out of the crowd to get into the fray, especially since Christie's wife ran around like half of the Staples Center to get involved...but for me, it was when (then Warrior) Chris Mills wanted to fight the entire Jail Blazers team and blocked their team bus at the arena with his car, iirc he wasn't even undressed, he heard they were leaving and he flew from the locker room
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: benjipwns on April 25, 2018, 12:52:47 AM
i'll settle for this chris mills moment, especially because of all the logos all over this and the messed up aspect ratio that says to me YouTube CLASSIC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5oex2Q4MS4
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2018, 05:56:57 AM
Quote
Hassan Whiteside finishes the 5 game series with a total of 26 points, 16 fouls, and 12 turnovers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: agrajag on April 25, 2018, 09:51:26 AM
At the rate Whiteside's going he'll be back playing overseas soon  ::)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2018, 08:45:37 PM
Tremendous Lebron game again. Heading for 40 again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2018, 09:44:46 PM
GOAT!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: Huff on April 25, 2018, 09:45:40 PM
What a crazy final 10 seconds
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2018, 09:53:03 PM
https://twitter.com/_MarcusD2_/status/989319694158004224
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2018, 10:02:21 PM
Kevin Love 2-11

11 points.

And the sad thing was this actually wasn't a bad game by his standards. At least he was active for the most part.

I'd rather have Joe Ingles than Kevin Love.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2018, 10:19:52 PM
Just noticed that the OKC/Utah is on NBA TV when most hoops heads would prefer to see that one over Houston/Wolves.

I guess Rockets are #1 seed though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2018, 11:52:10 PM
Westbrook going off
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: Akala on April 25, 2018, 11:58:26 PM
I have lunch tomorrow riding on OKC :lol

Headed to pels G1 as of now awooo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: benjipwns on April 26, 2018, 12:30:01 AM
Hawks officially fire Budenholzer, he had almost $15 million left on his contract.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: Huff on April 26, 2018, 08:45:29 AM
https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/989335296306221056?s=21
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2018, 09:33:52 PM
Looking like Game 7 for Pacers/Cavs.

We'll see if Utah can finish it out at home tonight.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: El Babua on April 27, 2018, 09:58:15 PM
Silver knows a 7 game series will be more profitable so he's holding off on the calls for tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Pelicans)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2018, 10:33:19 PM
Kevin Love

3-10  7 Points

Salary:22 million.


When we talk about the off-season, there are two logical positions you have with Lebron. It's to basically be Kobe and just be a god in your city and make the max and coast off into the sunset. Nothing wrong with that. And in most cases, I would think that would make sense but in this case you have Love under contract for two more years at 24 and 26 million. You also have Tristan Thompson for two more years at 17 and 19 million respectively. That does not seem to be a fun way to coast out for your last few years which makes staying seem like a non-option.

Playing in Houston, Philly, or LA has to seem like a far more favorable option, even if you shave some money off of the salary. We'll see in the off-season.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2018, 01:01:53 AM
This game is so weird. OKC is literally one player.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: etiolate on April 28, 2018, 01:04:35 AM
that was an illegal screen by Adams that they called a foul on the Jazz

Adams just jogged up to Ingles and shouldered him into George
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2018, 01:10:58 AM
That was one ugly ass raggedy ass game.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: etiolate on April 28, 2018, 01:15:21 AM
that was some bad late game officiating

OKC looked lost even though they got it close. It was just Russ heaving shots. Jazz offense wasn't much better. Got really simple and basic towards the end with bad shots.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2018, 01:16:54 AM
Normally I would bitch about Westbrook and the shots. 43 shot attempts tonight. 39 in last game.

But if he's the only one scoring and the system is that limited and Donovan isn't adjusting anything then it is what it is. I mean with the system they have, this is the offense and he especially didn't get any help from anyone else tonight.

That team is a mess. And this is a franchise that has had so many stars in such a short time and just can't implement an offense to make it work.   
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: El Babua on April 28, 2018, 01:17:11 AM
5 attempts to make a shot failed

Mitt still had to bribe the refs though  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2018, 01:24:46 AM
Quote from: Exodust on April 28, 2018, 01:13:26 AM
Damn, lost a bet on that. Russ can only carry them for so long.

What's his new contract look like again? Wouldn't be surprised if he'd want to go somewhere else.

Russ signed an extension so he is there until 2022–23 unless he forces his way out which seems unlikely.

I mean he is the franchise for good or bad and he embraced it with the extension. He became the favorite son when Durant left, so its highly unlikely either side will ever leave the partnership.

He is an amazing talent and athlete and player but he needs a shitload of help to ever get back to being a really great team. They had Harden and Durant who helped obscure his flaws but when its just Russ, there are a lot of holes that need to be filled and Donovan ain't helping either because he doesn't have the juice or he is just not creating it with these rosters.

Honestly Paul George doesn't come out of this smelling like a Rose either and I'm generally a big proponent of his.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Nola on April 28, 2018, 01:28:49 AM
Quote from: Exodust on April 28, 2018, 01:13:26 AM
Damn, lost a bet on that. Russ can only carry them for so long.

What's his new contract look like again? Wouldn't be surprised if he'd want to go somewhere else.

Russ is the problem TBH.

I feel like you are never going to have fluid winning team basketball when one guy is hunting for triple doubles all season and taking 43 shots in an elimination playoff game.

The announcers actually distilled it perfectly, at the end of the day Russ only really trusts Russ and that will forever handicap him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2018, 01:52:08 AM
Quote from: Nola on April 28, 2018, 01:28:49 AM
Quote from: Exodust on April 28, 2018, 01:13:26 AM
Damn, lost a bet on that. Russ can only carry them for so long.

What's his new contract look like again? Wouldn't be surprised if he'd want to go somewhere else.

Russ is the problem TBH.

I feel like you are never going to have fluid winning team basketball when one guy is hunting for triple doubles all season and taking 43 shots in an elimination playoff game.

The announcers actually distilled it perfectly, at the end of the day Russ only really trusts Russ and that will forever handicap him.

I mean I agree

I don't ever want to absolve OKC ownership of their role in this. Because by being cheap fuckers they set the wheels in motion for everything that came after by trading away Harden.

But Westbrook has never seemingly gotten over that phase of his career that the top stars of this generation did where you realize just doing it all yourself only leads you to an eventual dead end. I posted a few pages back that watching Westbrook reminds me of Iverson. He's a much better all-around player than Iverson ever was and he's not a knucklehead like Iverson was, but he has that same thing where he's so talented, that it just devolves into him looking for his own offense instead of setting up the lesser players. 

Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: benjipwns on April 28, 2018, 01:52:09 AM
everyone's forgetting superstar Carmelo Anthony who gets $28 million next season (assuming he doesn't opt out)

who averaged... 11.8 ppg and 5.7 rpg in 32 mpg

weirdly, Michael Beasley averaged 13.2 ppg and 5.6 rpg in 22 mpg this season for the Knicks

good times
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: benjipwns on April 28, 2018, 01:56:16 AM
Paul George shot 0/10 after the first quarter, including all of his 0/6 threes

after that first game where he hit 8/11 he's been worse than Russ at jacking up bricks from three
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2018, 01:58:21 AM
Yeah, Carmelo was obviously on the decline even before this season. And if they were just looking for a three point spot up shooter there were better options around. They just got caught up in the name and the hype.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Nola on April 28, 2018, 02:05:26 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2018, 01:52:08 AM


I mean I agree

I don't ever want to absolve OKC ownership of their role in this. Because by being cheap fuckers they set the wheels in motion for everything that came after by trading away Harden.

But Westbrook has never seemingly gotten over that phase of his career that the top stars of this generation did where you realize just doing it all yourself only leads you to an eventual dead end. I posted a few pages back that watching Westbrook reminds me of Iverson. He's a much better all-around player than Iverson ever was and he's not a knucklehead like Iverson was, but he has that same thing where he's so talented, that it just devolves into him looking for his own offense instead of setting up the lesser players.
Or even players close to his equal TBH. Similar to Iverson when it took Denver taking a slight step back in talent by trading Iverson for Chauncey in order to take a step forward as a team(maybe not the ideal comparison but still).

Honestly I could not agree more. I have felt the parallels for a while. Incredible talent that struggles trusting others and playing team ball.

The guy had a 57% usage rate in the second half tonight. Took 30 of his 43 shots(the whole team only took 50 for that half). Once that margin for error shrinks in the playoffs, I feel like you just can't realistically expect to go all the way with that sort of play style. But I just don't think it is in Westbrook's nature to change, which like Iverson will be his tragic flaw. Which like Iverson is a shame because he is just so damn talented.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: benjipwns on April 28, 2018, 02:06:56 AM
today in unfairly picking on ESPN's "experts"

(https://i.imgur.com/GeTug9r.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: agrajag on April 28, 2018, 03:22:27 PM
What if OKC trade Paul George for Lebron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2018, 09:08:29 PM
If celtics lose Jaylen Brown and still win...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2018, 09:48:23 PM
What a system. It feels like they can literally put anybody out there and it still works.


hint hint OKC, Cleveland.


Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2018, 10:18:18 PM
I'm gonna say Warriors in 6 for next series. Pelicans are a great story and a great season but Warriors are Warriors and until that changes or somebody is missing for the entire series, its hard to pick against them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: etiolate on April 28, 2018, 11:00:52 PM
It's hard to root for Durant and Zaza.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2018, 11:01:34 PM
Nothing wrong with rooting for the Pelicans. I'm rooting for them too and the Rockets when/if they play the Warriors also.

I respect the Warriors and realize they are on paper the superior team in the league by far but they don't have any players that are my personal favorites like Lebron is a personal favorite of mine.

I do like how the Pelicans have come out. I was scared they were going to come out playing scared. I think half the battle with the Warriors is actually feeling you can legit beat them which few teams do. The more important half of it of course is playing to their level.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: etiolate on April 28, 2018, 11:11:07 PM
Pels lack of bench v Warriors bench is what I'm watching.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Nola on April 28, 2018, 11:11:36 PM
A continuation of our rebounding problems, suspect defense, crazy crowd and some home-cooking by the refs and only down by 1 at the quarter.

I'll take it for now. Just can't let the lead get too wide with Davis resting.


EDIT: Looks like this is gonna be a 40+ minute Davis night with how little rest he is getting. Fatigue has been our silent killer against the Warriors all season. We have won many of quarters against them only to eventually gas out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: agrajag on April 28, 2018, 11:25:53 PM
I think Rockets are gonna win it all
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Nola on April 28, 2018, 11:33:20 PM
Even Webber sees how bullshit this game is being called.

Home cooked by the end of the second quarter.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: etiolate on April 28, 2018, 11:39:43 PM
Basically the Dubs can hold on defense and the Pels can't. In a game like this, it makes a huge difference.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Nola on April 28, 2018, 11:41:29 PM
Quote from: etiolate on April 28, 2018, 11:39:43 PM
Basically the Dubs can hold on defense and the Pels can't. In a game like this, it makes a huge difference.

Its very easy to hold down a team on defense when one team can play physical and the other team is called for fouls even when they don't. Like Iggy just throwing AD down and leading to a 5 on 4 fast break a moment ago.

23-3 FT differential, fuck off refs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2018, 11:43:42 PM
Honestly I was watching westworld for 15 minutes and I came back to the game and it was over.

I didn't see what happened.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Nola on April 28, 2018, 11:44:45 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2018, 11:43:42 PM
Honestly I was watching westworld for 15 minutes and I came back to the game and it was over.

I didn't see what happened.

Pels shook, refs wearing gold under their stripes, Dubs doing Dubs things.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2018, 11:45:40 PM
Quote from: agrajag on April 28, 2018, 11:25:53 PM
I think Rockets are gonna win it all


That is the great experiment. They have created a competing vision of how to play modern basketball and while I personally don't find it that enjoyable to watch, it does work. I just have a feeling, it won't be enough against the Warriors.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Nola on April 28, 2018, 11:48:15 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2018, 11:45:40 PM
Quote from: agrajag on April 28, 2018, 11:25:53 PM
I think Rockets are gonna win it all


That is the great experiment. They have created a competing vision of how to play modern basketball and while I personally don't find it that enjoyable to watch, it does work. I just have a feeling, it won't be enough against the Warriors.

The Warriors playing on all cylinders still feels like a level above the Rockets when it comes to a 7 game series. So I'm with you on that, even though I am beyond tired of seeing the Warriors in the Finals. To the point I will actually root for the Rockets if it comes to it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2018, 11:53:07 PM
My new favorite hobby I picked up this season was reading the game threads and post game threads on reddit for each team. It basically gives really good insight into the mind's eye of every franchise. Not to mention you get good random salt posts.

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Bean315 3 points 2 minutes ago
I want to reiterate how much of a human cum receptacle Chris Webber is. How can this mother fucker talk about what it takes to win when he lost a championship by calling a timeout?

Seriously this Warriors bukkake party is really pissing me off. Fuck Chris Webber and fuck KD- he’s only good because he can hit mid range jumpers.

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–]realstekcor 1 point 4 minutes ago
yeah so these refs need to calm down in how much they are favoring the larriors. like anyone with a clear brain can see how hard they're rigging this. every ticky tac touch on the larrior is a foul. i know these mfer's are the poster childs but at least be some what fair. jrue, moore, and clark all in foul trouble with fouls which should be a no call

lol. I'm not saying they are wrong or untitled to their opinions or anything. It just always tickles me. Each team has its own little memes and personalities.

Btw every team hates their coach except for like 3.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Nola on April 28, 2018, 11:57:40 PM
Can't say I don't feel where they are coming from. Even if I think we are just getting outmatched and shook even without some of the BS.

I mean Durant out here getting FT's on swing throughs that the league specifically emphasized not giving FT's in good part because of him.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Nola on April 29, 2018, 12:08:19 AM
Pels shook, scared to do anything defensively, can't get out of their own heads and focus offensively, this game feels done....Not that it didn't after that 19 point run in the second.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2018, 01:34:38 AM
https://twitter.com/celtics/status/990414241126649856
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: El Babua on April 29, 2018, 01:53:05 PM
Bron 7-7 Tristan 7 REB, Pacers can't buy a shot

Stay strong Stro
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2018, 03:56:57 PM
all these years later, LeBron in murder everybody mode is still crazy to watch happen

his speed and size makes it look more like he's really physically controlling the game like prime Shaq versus say, Jordan's (or Bird) "no mistakes" style of efficiency

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defense rules/mentality changes help as you can see everyone on the court instinctively start to shift as the ball heads towards him/Shaq
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2018, 03:58:18 PM
also i heard a rumor that Kevin Love once averaged 25/12 and even had a 20/15 season, crazy if true
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2018, 04:11:22 PM
Lebron had an insane series of course. Maybe the best of his career.

Averaged 34.4/10.1/7.7/1.4/1.0 on a 65.5 TS%

Series was crazy close all throughout. Pacers easily could/should have advanced.

I think they may be the capper for the season for the cavs because its hard to see them upending toronto over 7.



Rockets will beat Jazz in 5 or 6.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: etiolate on April 29, 2018, 04:11:50 PM
Some of the Pacer players weren't quite ready for a game 7 atmosphere. Sabonis struggled in this game and the Cavs were leaving him open all the time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2018, 04:26:07 PM
For all the shit he has gotten Tristan was big today. He was ready for the game in a way Nance hasn't been the entire series. Clarkson also seemed lost the entire series when he was the best bench scorer during the season for the cavs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2018, 04:39:44 PM
I know you were talking about a single series and we all have misgivings about PER, but often overlooked is LeBron 1.0's 2009 playoffs, which are still by some margin the all time leader in playoff PER at 37.4 (for minimum five games, 100 minutes...LeBron had 14 games, 580 minutes), and it was similarly absurd in the first two rounds when he abused Detroit and Atlanta in sweeps, bringing in the game one loss by one point against Orlando he was at 34.7/9.3/6.9/2.0/0.9 on 65.4% TS through nine games.

His 2018 run so far currently ranks...second easily.

Third place is George Mikan in 1954, his last run before the shot clock, 19.4/13.2 at 54.3% TS and 33.6 PER. Kareem in 1977 is fourth when he averaged 34.6/17.7/4.1/1.7/3.5 over 11 games at 64.6% TS and 32.4 PER. :lawd

Jordan's 1991 is next and the only one sans Mikan to result in a title, 31.1/6.4/8.4/2.4/1.4 at 60% TS, 32.0 PER. (Though other title winning ones are farther down the list, these are actually remarkable because they were for so many games which normally would weed out the absurd ones.)

By PER, Hakeem, I believe still has the highest rated playoff series ever from 1988, he averaged 37.5/16.8/1.8/2.3/2.8 on 64% TS giving him a 39.0 PER. But it was a 1-3 loss to Dallas. And the game Houston won was Sleepy Floyd throwing up 42 points on 73% FG% next to Hakeem's 41/26/2/3/4.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Nola on April 29, 2018, 05:13:39 PM
On a personal note, and it doesn't really change much of the historical parallels you are making, Lebron has had some serious GOAT tier performances, but I have always hated the use of TS% when analyzing performances outside of the modern era. Since the enormous value emphasis shift on the three point shot, which is reflected in the weight of the statistic, makes it a bit of an unfair marker to judge past performances with.

The fact Jordan had a 60% TS% in 1991 taking 2 3 point shots a game is actually insanely impressive considering the context of the era. While Lebron was basically averaging as many 3PA's as the entire Bulls team was averaging over it's season: 5.8 vs 6.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2018, 05:49:38 PM
You might be thinking more about eFG% than TS%. TS generally more evens out the efficiencies from shooting only at the hoop (all-time leader DeAndre Jordan), racking up FT's you're automatic at (Adrian Dantley), bombing in threes (Reggie Miller), doing purely the latter two (Chauncey Billups), for example. Stephen Curry is the only guy in the top seven NBA leaders in TS to take more than 40 three point attempts in their whole career. Reggie Miller is next, then it's Chuck and then Durant.

LeBron's career 58.6% TS vs. Jordan's career 56.9% isn't purely from threes, LeBron has surpassed Jordan in general FG% too now. Where LeBron most benefits off threes is that his superior three point making (Jordan never was a good three point shooter when the line was longer except for short periods) makes up for his inferior FT%.

Since LeBron went to Miami and came back, his FG% is 53.4%. Taking Jordan's seven best seasons, his FG% is 51.8%. LeBron's taken and made twice as many threes at 36% vs. Jordan over those years hitting 35% (most of which come from two seasons, one of which, plus his 17 game comeback, being at the shorter line) but that generally evens out the fact that LeBron has taken one less FT a game while making two fewer since he shot 74% vs. Jordan's 84%. It's the FG% that separates them more now.

Where TS% probably most underrates is players who didn't even have the three point line. It also really hurts their points. I saw a blog post where someone gave Jerry West, Pete Maravich and Rick Barry hypothetical 3PT shots that weren't even like Miller/Allen/etc. levels and it could add up to five points a game to their averages. Not to mention anecdotal evidence about how often they shot from out there but only got two points for it.

Even without it, the relative performance of some of those guys was pretty impressive even if they never could hit the 60% range without, Big O:
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1960-61 NBA .555 (1st)
1961-62 NBA .554 (2nd)
1962-63 NBA .588 (2nd)
1963-64 NBA .576 (2nd)
1964-65 NBA .561 (3rd)
1965-66 NBA .563 (2nd)
1966-67 NBA .583 (2nd)
1967-68 NBA .588 (2nd)
1968-69 NBA .579 (2nd)
1969-70 NBA .577 (3rd)
1970-71 NBA .563 (7th)West:
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1961-62 NBA .524 (8th)
1963-64 NBA .561 (4th)
1964-65 NBA .572 (2nd)
1965-66 NBA .573 (1st)
1966-67 NBA .559 (4th)
1967-68 NBA .590 (1st)
1968-69 NBA .557 (6th)
1969-70 NBA .572 (6th)
1970-71 NBA .571 (5th)
Rick Barry has the advantage of the seasons he played in the ABA giving us a peak at the possibilities even though he took 1.5 a game at 28%:
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1968-69 ABA .616 (1st)
1969-70 ABA .582 (1st)At 35, his final season, he took 3 a game and hit 33% in the NBA's first season with the line.

for comparison, LeBron and Jordan and Curry:
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2011-12 NBA .605 (9th)
2012-13 NBA .640 (3rd)
2013-14 NBA .649 (2nd)
Active .586 (10th)
Career NBA .586 (37th)
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1988-89 NBA .614 (6th)
Career NBA .569 (88th)
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2013-14 NBA .610 (6th)
2014-15 NBA .638 (4th)
2015-16 NBA .669 (1st)
2016-17 NBA .624 (10th)
2017-18 NBA .675 (1st)
Active .621 (3rd)
Career NBA .621 (5th)
Tyson Chandler:
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2006-07 NBA .620 (4th)
2007-08 NBA .632 (5th)
2010-11 NBA .697 (1st)
2011-12 NBA .708 (1st)
2012-13 NBA .671 (1st)
2014-15 NBA .697 (2nd)
Active .625 (2nd)
Career NBA .625 (4th)
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2018, 05:53:52 PM
Speaking of playoff runs and TS%, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention James Donaldson in 1986.

He had a TS of 83% over ten games. 410 minutes! 9.6 ppg!

The Birdman in 2013 out did him by shooting 81% from the floor vs. Donaldson's disgustingly poor 75% FG%. But Donaldson was the better FT man, so Andersen only finished with a 82% TS over the 20 games the Heat took to win the title.
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Post by: Nola on April 29, 2018, 06:30:21 PM
IMO both of them have their shortcomings in general and when measuring across eras, EFG% definitely more so. I honestly don't really look at EFG% much.

But where you are going into the weeds gets closer to why I have personally shied away from really having GOAT discussions anymore.

On the pro-Jordan GOAT side I could say if you "modernized Jordan's game" to give him a more fair shake in these metrics, and take Jordan's ~22FGA and shot selection (http://i.imgur.com/t8069zI.png) per game and instead of coaching him to shoot 22 of them inside the arc, shift 3-4 more of those on his 38% playoff 3P percentages across the 90-93 seasons and a few less of his long mid range jumpers into attacking the basket - where he was more efficient -  his TS% likely looks even better. Straight insane. But the anti-Jordan side could point to the way the rules are different now, how defenses are more complex, look at the teams in which Jordan had and what a player like Lebron has done with less, and the overall efficiency of Lebron over Jordan especially when you include the assists. And the pro-Jordan side can come back and argue how the neutering of the big man and the lack of hand-checking has made it even easier for games like Lebron's to thrive. On and on and on.



When you drill down into it, at least when I have, you get lost and end up arguing any number of side issues into oblivion and never settling on anything.


Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2018, 06:51:06 PM
i long ago transitioned to only really considering players against their era, and for cross-era it being like something resembling "he dominated his era more in x, y and z"

i mean even something as simple as Wilt and Russell having to fly commercial, playing back-to-back-to-backs regularly, "put ice on it" solutions, high level racism, etc. versus having chartered jets designed for tall men, modern medicine, modern 24/7 coaching/development resources, the whole infrastructure for players lives, etc.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2018, 06:57:58 PM
i think it might have been Elgin Baylor, who had he had his first, less serious, knee injury five years later, doctors would have done something completely different and it would have cut in half the chances of his second knee injury that started his decline and caused his third fatal-to-his-career knee injury (which left him with like no cartilage in either knee) that led to him retiring just before the Lakers won 33 straight and the title finally

not to mention just a couple years earlier in his career when he had to miss half the season to hang out around army barracks doing who knows what that probably wasn't very "pro-career"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2018, 02:14:27 PM
Zache Lowe article on the OKC situation with Westbrook

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23364202/zach-lowe-russell-westbrook-oklahoma-city-thunder-nba


Vegas odds for teams making the finals.

Eastern Conference

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Team                      Odds
Philadelphia 76ers        6/5
Toronto Raptors                8/5
Cleveland Cavaliers       17/4
Boston Celtics                18/1

Western Conference

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Team                     Odds
Golden State Warriors       5/8
Houston Rockets             5/4
New Orleans Pelicans    51/1
Utah Jazz            51/1
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2018, 07:59:19 PM
Should be a brutal slugfest of a series. Boston is completely outmanned talent wise but they play hellacious annoying defense and Stevens is great. I'll say 76ers in 6 or 7.

I was 6-2 in that first round. Missed on Portland and Utah.  :maf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2018, 09:12:58 PM
Now Marcus Smart looks like he re-injured that thumb after a great Celtics first half  :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2018, 09:53:12 PM
Not a rookie chant at Ben Simmons

 :jawalrus
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2018, 10:12:03 PM
I can't emphasize enough how nuts what the Celtics do is. They are truly the new Spurs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2018, 10:30:02 PM
He's a rookie chant for Tatum. Crowd is at maximum troll levels.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Nola on May 01, 2018, 02:30:36 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/MicahAdams13/status/991155371514499072

 :leon :obama
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: etiolate on May 01, 2018, 12:26:50 PM
https://twitter.com/swish41/status/991349838221598721

Dirk :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 01, 2018, 07:59:13 PM
I'm actually gonna pick the Raptors in 6 or 7 in this one. Not that the Cavs can't win. I just don't think Lebron can keep up this pace with this workload, and the raptors have so many looks and bodies they can throw at the Cavs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: El Babua on May 01, 2018, 10:37:18 PM
This is the worst clock management/timeout usage I've seen down the stretch in a playoff game.

Playoff Raps have arrived
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Akala on May 01, 2018, 10:44:48 PM
Has been an entertaining stretch.

Hopefully pels hang a bit better tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: benjipwns on May 01, 2018, 10:46:27 PM
you just can't rely on drake to come through in the playoffs, they need to think about acquiring a different sideline rapper
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: benjipwns on May 01, 2018, 10:51:22 PM
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Detroit Pistons owner Tom Gores wants Stan Van Gundy to return as coach for the final year of his contract, but would prefer for that scenario to include structural changes to the franchise's front office, league sources told ESPN.
...
Bower -- whom Van Gundy hired and trusts to run the day-to-day operations of his front office -- is set to meet separately with Gores this week, league sources said.

Bower is in the final year of his contract.

Van Gundy has one year and $7 million left on his original five-year deal, but most of his front office and coaching staff are in the final year of their contracts.
Atlanta, this is how you fire the guy you stupidly made your GM/Coach with $$$ left on his deal, you figured out the "first take away one job, then isolate him" part well enough but blew your wad too soon even though the team will still be garbage anyway
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: agrajag on May 01, 2018, 10:55:42 PM
Herculean effort by Lebron and co. to pull this one out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: etiolate on May 01, 2018, 10:57:29 PM
y u do this toronto
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 01, 2018, 10:58:44 PM
Raptors are such a weird team. They have too much talent to just absolutely suck balls on offense for such long stretches. That loss is on them. Cleveland gave them plenty of opportunities to win it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: agrajag on May 01, 2018, 11:00:01 PM
Lowry just isn't that good imo. Cleveland don't have a decent point guard either, but you don't need one with Lebron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Nola on May 01, 2018, 11:03:11 PM
Man, Solomon Hill shouldn't even be getting minutes on a non tanking team.....We are paying him 12.5 million a year to brick wide open shots and play average defense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: benjipwns on May 01, 2018, 11:06:37 PM
Cavs had only five turnovers, three of which were LeBron and Love's, who combined to Westbrick at 15/43 including 2/12 from three, and LeBron went 1/6 at the line...but the rest of the team shot 12/21 from three and 14/15 at the line :whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Nola on May 01, 2018, 11:50:11 PM
Need to clean up the rotations on defense and not let ourselves try and match their threes with our threes.

But other than that, we are playing in a way that we still have a punchers chance, which is about the ceiling I had for any game in Golden State.


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Helps the officiating has been even-handed tonight  :doge
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: etiolate on May 01, 2018, 11:52:00 PM
So hilarious seeing Warrior fans act astonished that someone would want to punch Dray. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: team filler on May 02, 2018, 06:58:14 AM
https://twitter.com/anthonyVslater/status/991556757745881088
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: benjipwns on May 02, 2018, 07:16:51 AM
Chuck's obviously got to throw him through a plate glass window now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: benjipwns on May 02, 2018, 07:35:54 AM
Also that had looked like a Rondo Warning™ to me. A punch in the face is the least of your worries Draymond, family members need to be moved to secure locations.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2018, 09:12:16 PM
Jazz

 :whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2018, 09:19:11 PM
Rockets play in such a bitchy manner. So hard to enjoy them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2018, 09:49:35 PM
That being said when they turn it on, they turn it on.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2018, 10:44:06 PM
Nice Jazz win. I'm glad the rocket's flopping bullshit wasn't rewarded this game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: etiolate on May 02, 2018, 10:47:54 PM
FT attempts pretty even. Jazz bench way outscored the Rockets bench.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Brehvolution on May 03, 2018, 11:56:05 AM
That Donovan Mitchell put back dunk.  :ohhh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2018, 06:09:15 PM
Damn it. Knicks hired real coach instead of some of the joke candidates that would have been trainwreck funny.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23396895/david-fizdale-agrees-deal-become-new-york-knicks-head-coach
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: agrajag on May 03, 2018, 07:56:07 PM
Lebron is an animal
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2018, 07:58:50 PM
Raptors

:gurl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2018, 08:07:11 PM
Jesus Christ those two Lebron fadeaways
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2018, 08:33:34 PM
That was a snatch your soul game from Toronto.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2018, 09:41:50 PM
Furious rally by the Celtics there
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: agrajag on May 03, 2018, 09:46:04 PM
man Boston is good. And without their two starters
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2018, 10:52:44 PM
Simmons has been bad tonight
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2018, 11:09:40 PM
Another impressive Celtics win
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2018, 02:37:08 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PS6lg1WjLA



https://www.reddit.com/r/nbacirclejerk/comments/8gwcdk/historic_night_for_simmons/?st=jgrlm1ec&sh=899ccd52

savage
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on May 04, 2018, 02:49:57 AM
let's talk about how bron might wind up on the sixers pls
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Brehvolution on May 04, 2018, 09:49:07 AM
Those Lebron fadeaways are just filthy.  :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2018, 12:27:15 PM
Random thoughs


Terry Rozier Playoff averages

19 pts. 7 ast  1.4 turnovers 44% from 3.  Per 22.50

Ridiculous and nuts that the Celtics can just manufacture this kind of performance and player. And when you use the eye test he looks god damn good too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7gZJFnDqAE

There was another swooping layup he did past Embiid that was gorgeous last night.


Just a few days ago.


Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2018, 02:14:27 PM
Vegas odds for teams making the finals.

Eastern Conference

Code: [Select]
Team                      Odds
Philadelphia 76ers        6/5
Toronto Raptors                8/5
Cleveland Cavaliers       17/4
Boston Celtics                18/1

Now

Code: [Select]
Team                         Odds
Cleveland Cavaliers          5/4
Boston Celtics                  5/2
Philadelphia 76ers          5/2
Toronto Raptors                 10/1

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/5/4/17317118/houston-rockets-james-harden-chris-paul-style-playoffs

You know I decided pretty early on in the season that I would root for the Rockets when they inevitably matched up against the Warriors in what are the real nba finals. But I just don't think I can do it. I mean the Warriors are a dynasty so dominant they have stomped out the competitive fires of the nba but they play basketball in an aesthetically pleasing manner I enjoy to watch. The Rockets are just not fun for me in that way. And that last game against the Jazz solidified it. They play basketball in a way that amps up everything statistically smart to do. And I totally get that and respect that. I just can't stand all the flopping and faking and the way its consistently rewarded by the refs.

It reminds me of the rip thru move. The rip thru move back in the day was this smart thing that smart offensive players occasionally did to school a less aware defensive player. You saw it occasionally and you felt good because it was like a smart player being rewarded for gaming the system in a way. But then everybody started doing it and the good players got so good at it, that it became super annoying to watch because it doesn't feel like how basketball should be played all the time. The Rockets are like that. They are the scientifically engineered version of the rip through move used dozens and dozens of times in a game. It's smart. They are good. They have pioneered a new way to play basketball that is super viable. It just doesn't motivate me to root for them. I'd rather watch everybody else left in the playoffs than them and it makes me hate watch them and root for the Jazz even though the Jazz have no realistic shot at the Warriors compared to the rockets imo.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2018, 09:42:17 PM
Pelicans putting it on. I think most people kind of thought the Warriors would come in and just finish up the sweep.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: etiolate on May 04, 2018, 09:45:31 PM
JRue the third best guard in these playoffs? 2nd if you demote Curry for missing the first series? Or is Mitchell third?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Akala on May 04, 2018, 10:26:51 PM
Fuuuuuuck yaaaaaaaa
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: bluemax on May 04, 2018, 11:32:25 PM
The Raptors are looking like the Clippers. They should probably just blow the team up now instead of going through the motions for 2 more seasons like the Clippers did.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Let's Cyber on May 05, 2018, 07:19:49 PM
:bow :bow :bow Rajon :bow2 :bow2 :bow2

I wish they could just trade Rondo to whatever team is playing Golden State the rest of the playoffs so he can haunt them like some kind of vengeful specter. Pulling for you, NOLA.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2018, 07:33:17 PM
Good shot to send it to OT
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2018, 07:35:04 PM
lol premature confetti
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2018, 07:56:10 PM
nice steal for Horford. Boston 3-0. Surprising.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: etiolate on May 05, 2018, 08:02:02 PM
Despite of all the injuries and trades, it's still going to be Boston v Cleveland in the ECF.

West playoffs remain far more interesting. And I offer this debate: Would you take any of the four current Western teams over Cavs or Boston?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Nola on May 05, 2018, 09:43:41 PM
Just saw an alert that Kerr is/was apparently whining about Rondo being a dirty player. lol... I guess a 85 to 32 FT discrepancy in your favor isn’t a comfortable enough spotting by the refs.


Also  :neogaf :neogaf :cmonson at a team trying to whine about on the court behavior with Draymond “The Groin Goon” on your roster.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: benjipwns on May 05, 2018, 11:02:27 PM
he learned from the best
https://twitter.com/philjackson11/status/317031514011496449

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with some notable exceptions
https://twitter.com/philjackson11/status/597453125297917953
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2018, 11:21:20 PM
Game winner by Lebron with no time left on the clock but honestly it was probably the least climatic game winner I've ever seen which is not to take anything away from Lebron. At no point in the game did you think Toronto had a chance. Even if he missed it, you felt like Cleveland 100% was gonna win in overtime. It wasn't even an especially good Cleveland game. Toronto is just mind-fucked.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: agrajag on May 05, 2018, 11:22:34 PM
LeGoat
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2018, 11:35:52 PM
https://twitter.com/ringer/status/992967280093904896
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Let's Cyber on May 06, 2018, 03:37:34 AM
I still remember all the shit talking from Toronto fans 2 years ago when Jonas Valanciunas was injured for the ECF.

 :smug "You know, if Jonas was healthy we'd totally have won this series."  :smug

They're 0-7 against the Cavs in the playoffs since then.  :teehee
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 06, 2018, 03:39:52 AM
https://www.gameframesports.com/

nice little site if you miss any of the games
Title: Re: The NBA thread (2nd Round begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 06, 2018, 01:48:10 PM
Looks like I was wrong on both of my picks on the Eastern Conference.  :derp

Honestly the Celtics one is less surprising to me than the Cavs. While I picked the 76ers based on talent, they are so young and lack the structure the celtics have. The celts defense is top notch and they have a great structured offense.

It's not as if the Cavs had no chance in the series but there is no way I would have ever thought it would be this easy. I don't tend to like analysis based on psychology. I think basketball teams generally win or lose for basketball reasons involving execution. And not the hot take narrative world of X player wanted it more kind of bs. There are absolutely basketball reasons why the Cavs are beating the Raptors but its so weird when the eye test doesn't match what you've seen all season.

Lebron just plays a better, smarter brand of basketball in the playoffs is one takeaway I have. Lebron is great obviously but during the season, he clearly conserves his energy more on both ends and he tries riskier stuff. He'll attempt showy passes that he just won't attempt in the playoffs for example that will lead to turnovers. That part is clearly noticeable. Kevin Love now seems to be either pushing the smaller players the raptors put on him, or out quicking somebody like Jonas Valanciunas. This has to be a specific matchup kink because he does this against nobody else. Against everybody else he is a perimeter player who only knocks down wide open 3's. And George Hill is getting all kind of penetration that he doesn't get against nearly anybody else.

So the large takeaway is that the Raptors defense is pretty suspect especially against this matchup. It's just weird that this wasn't more obvious and exploited during more of the season by other teams. I know the Raptors fell off somewhat in the latter part of the season but I had no idea the problems were so fundamental.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The collapse of the Philadelphia Raptors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 06, 2018, 03:05:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LXhuQTAIDw
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The collapse of the Philadelphia Raptors)
Post by: Akala on May 06, 2018, 08:10:54 PM
Poor timing for a bad game. considering how bad they were shooting it was pretty good that it was somewhat 'competitive' for the second quarterish, but went off the rails. We'll see what happens next.  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The collapse of the Philadelphia Raptors)
Post by: etiolate on May 06, 2018, 11:14:58 PM
Raptors should blow it up, but they're paying secondary guys like they're superstars. Who is going to take those contracts?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The collapse of the Philadelphia Raptors)
Post by: agrajag on May 07, 2018, 10:16:29 PM
Raptors are pathetic
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The collapse of the Philadelphia Raptors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 07, 2018, 10:53:08 PM
Rarely do you beat a time and feel a little sad about it. I like Toronto and the Coach but this series was a grade school bully beatdown.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The collapse of the Philadelphia Raptors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2018, 12:48:29 AM
Quote from: Jack Remington on May 08, 2018, 12:46:13 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 07, 2018, 10:53:08 PM
Rarely do you beat a time and feel a little sad about it. I like Toronto and the Coach but this series was a grade school bully beatdown.

God I wish I could watch LeBron and Kevin Love dp your asshole, you fanboy sack of shit.

Who are you?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The collapse of the Philadelphia Raptors)
Post by: etiolate on May 08, 2018, 02:15:24 AM
Since it went overlooked the SVG enterprise in Detroit died.




He should have went with Boogie.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The collapse of the Philadelphia Raptors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2018, 05:59:05 AM
After the Cavs swept the Pistons in 2015-2016 playoffs I was really impressed by them. All 4 games were super close and I thought that team was going somewhere. That turned out to be the high point. They never got back to the playoffs.

As far as the Raptors, I'm not sure what you do there. I'm generally not a fan of blowing it up unless your team is too old or a superstar leaves you, etc. Something where you clearly have no path forward. Neither of those two specific situations fits them. That being said, I understand that its not psychologically viable for the fanbase to just roll it back one more time. I just feel like throwing away the certainty of a good roster for the hope of a quick rebuild is a chancy gamble. Some teams take a lot longer than you would ever expect to get good again. And while its super disappointing to feel like you keep running into the same brick wall, it's even more disappointing to watch a shitty brand of basketball like the magic play year after year. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The collapse of the Philadelphia Raptors)
Post by: T-Short on May 08, 2018, 07:22:39 AM
This thread is amazing:

https://twitter.com/nick_kapur/status/993521866651381764
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The collapse of the Philadelphia Raptors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2018, 03:28:19 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23441765/rodney-hood-apologize-cleveland-cavaliers-refusing-enter-game

Funny enough, I was going to make a post a few days ago specifically talking about how poorly he and clarkson were playing but since the sweep was happening at that time, it seemed kind of irrelevant.

There is always that honeymoon post any trade where you see only the good of a player and you wonder how the other team could have traded him. The Cavs trade was definitely instructional on that accord as for like a week or two after that trade, I thought Clarkson was a mini-Kyrie. And then as time went on, you see the complete side of a player good and bad. Not that a player is trash. But you see their limitations and flaws much more clearly. I'm sure its the same with the players the cavs sent out. 



Title: Re: The NBA thread (The collapse of the Philadelphia Raptors)
Post by: Let's Cyber on May 08, 2018, 04:21:01 PM
I don't watch a ton of Jazz games so I wasn't familiar with Hood but it sure sounded like some were high on him. From NBC before the trade...
Quote
Plenty of teams are interested. The 25-year-old shooting guard is a strong 3-point shooter, and his 6-foot-8 frame helps defensively. He’s also a good ball-handler, which suggests an ability to grow into an even bigger role.
Sounds like a good fit for what the Cavs needed. So to see him show up and look so awful has been surprising for me.

But then you read stuff like this...
Quote from: TheAthletic
When these playoffs began, an opposing executive texted me “(Hood) is not built for this,” meaning the postseason. Now we’re seeing why.
:kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The collapse of the Philadelphia Raptors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2018, 04:46:54 PM
Physically hood is exactly what you want. That is what caught my eye initially when he came over. I was like what a steal. A 6-7, 3 and D young wing. Perfect!

After watching him play for awhile, I thought his offensive basketball IQ isn't very good. He does weird things with the ball at weird times. His handle isn't particularly very good either which might be causing some of that issue. He is a little awkward movement wise and he is a super streaky confidence kind of player. If he misses his early shots, he's done for the night. He is not the type who suddenly salvages a rough night. He was good right after the trade. Went into a funk after that. And seemed to recover somewhat at the end of the season. He's looked mostly lost in the playoffs.

Clarkson is the more frustrating one. He absolutely has offensive skills. But his entire game is geared only for himself kind of like a Jamal Crawford or something. His passing and vision don't exist. He was the best player off the bench from the trade until the end of the regular season. But once the playoffs started, his offensive output nosedived. He can't seem to get into the flow of anything. It's just him jacking shots trying to find a rhythm and his penetration ability has gone away for whatever reason. They have zero shot against the Warriors anyway if it goes that far but they have less than zero when those two young players can't contribute anything. The Warriors are like pure death to the old ass cavs so they need to get something from them, if they even want to be competitive in the finals.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The collapse of the Philadelphia Raptors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2018, 08:59:07 PM
Playing the Rockets must be the most annoying thing in the world and I mean that as a compliment to them. They didn't play an especially good half. They were shooting pretty badly from 3. Get hot right before the half and go into it with a decent lead.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The collapse of the Philadelphia Raptors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2018, 09:42:09 PM
Terrific mitchell quarter
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The collapse of the Philadelphia Raptors)
Post by: team filler on May 08, 2018, 09:57:23 PM
Quote from: Hyoushi on May 08, 2018, 07:22:39 AM
This thread is amazing:

https://twitter.com/nick_kapur/status/993521866651381764
https://twitter.com/nick_kapur/status/993879187378368517
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The collapse of the Philadelphia Raptors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2018, 10:05:08 PM
Mitchell. Hurt.

It's over.

Good run for the Jazz.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The collapse of the Philadelphia Raptors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2018, 10:09:51 PM
Chris Paul

 :leon
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The collapse of the Philadelphia Raptors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2018, 10:17:27 PM
On one hand Paul was amazing. On the other hand Harden was worryingly bad in a big game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The collapse of the Philadelphia Raptors)
Post by: team filler on May 08, 2018, 11:25:49 PM
https://twitter.com/RealGM/status/994047518978789377
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The collapse of the Philadelphia Raptors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2018, 11:35:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4nlJy3RwYI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejL5fovPdew
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The collapse of the Philadelphia Raptors)
Post by: Akala on May 08, 2018, 11:54:41 PM
Glad for CP3.

If pels can make it close past the 3rd we ok.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The collapse of the Philadelphia Raptors)
Post by: etiolate on May 09, 2018, 12:09:40 AM
Warriors put away so many games in the 3rd quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The collapse of the Philadelphia Raptors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2018, 12:18:39 AM
Warriors gonna warrior.

Pels had a fine season also.

Rockets versus Warriors is what everybody was waiting for. That's the real NBA finals from the day the season started. Fascinating series. Warriors will be the clear favorite but Rockets have the best chance of anybody. I think they are slightly too dependent on Harden for it to happen realistically but should be fun.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The collapse of the Philadelphia Raptors)
Post by: Let's Cyber on May 09, 2018, 12:38:58 AM
I'd love for the Rockets to push the Warriors but I don't trust them on the big stage. Harden completely fell apart last year in game 6 against the Spurs and CP3 has been held in check in big games before too (Like game 7 against the Jazz last playoffs). If the Raptors taught us anything, teams need to prove that they have actually arrived before anointing them. The Rockets haven't accomplished anything yet besides an outstanding regular season. Now is the time to step up. 

Hopefully home court helps to get them off to a good 2 game start.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (The collapse of the Philadelphia Raptors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2018, 12:51:28 AM
I don't want to downplay the rockets. In a normal nba environment that team would be the favorite to win a title and they would be the team I would pick. The warriors just aren't a normal nba environment. Durant fundamentally changed that team into arguably the greatest team in history by a pretty good margin. So beating them in a 7 game series just isn't a normal thing. They are too athletic, too long, too quick, too good at shooting 3's and playing the modern game to really ever pick against.

If the Rockets win that series, that is truly an amazing thing. At least the Rockets have home court. They will have to milk that for all its worth. Those first two games in Houston are gonna be bonkers. If they can get up 2-0, I think that's huge. If its 1-1, I just feel like that's not enough. You have to punch the Warriors right in the mouth from jump or else they will just roll and feel no pressure.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Akala on May 09, 2018, 01:00:38 AM
Pels played awesomish at least 👏

Swept Portland and were at least respectable against dubs IMO.

KINDA pulling for CP3 at this point but also bron lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Nola on May 09, 2018, 01:00:51 AM
Yeah and honestly I just feel like the Warriors are a more well rounded team over a 7 game series.

Durant, Curry, Thompson, Green >> Harden, Paul, Capella, Gordon. Especially when you factor in that the Warriors are going to get the championship treatment that will hinder Harden's game.

As for the Pels, have to say I'm not even mad. They put up a good fight and are an entire round past where I realistically would of expected them to fall after Cousins. After Cousins went down I thought our best chance was limping into the playoffs and stealing a few games. Just have to find a way to build on this, hope Cousins comes back strong, and maybe if the all things fall the right way, convince one more major player to think New Orleans showed enough dog in their fight to want to find a way down here.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 09, 2018, 01:06:11 AM
The biggest obstacle the warriors have run into this season has been motivation and injuries. Have to imagine they’ll treat this rockets series like it’s their finals
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2018, 07:07:39 PM
3-0 is obviously a death knell in the NBA but if there was a situation I would ever bet money on a comeback if my life depended on it, it would be this philly/boston series.

Boston now has lost shane larkin. I mean I know Shane Larkin is no big deal, but they are just running out of bodies period.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Let's Cyber on May 09, 2018, 07:33:46 PM
Yeah, I would not be at all shocked if Philly came back.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2018, 09:50:52 PM
76ers coming unglued here in the 3rd quarter
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2018, 10:49:57 PM
Good game.

Philly was up by 4 with around a minute left. Boston is just out executing them down the stretch.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: agrajag on May 09, 2018, 10:51:09 PM
 :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2018, 11:00:23 PM
Cavs versus Boston.

What a weird eastern conference finals. I mean this is what you would have predicted at the beginning of the season but you certainly wouldn't have predicted the path they both took.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: agrajag on May 09, 2018, 11:07:26 PM
I think LeBron is gonna sweep Boston. As much heart as they showed this series, it's not going to be enough to stop him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2018, 11:23:09 PM
I'll pick the cavs but I have no idea how many games. Boston with their defense is like an unknowable factor.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: agrajag on May 09, 2018, 11:44:26 PM
Quote from: Exodust on May 09, 2018, 11:22:52 PM
Plus aren't most of their best players injured? Could have had a fun Bron Vs. Irving series but Irving's injured.

Yeah Irving and Hayward. If they were both playing I would expect them to beat Cavs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: eleuin on May 10, 2018, 01:46:57 AM
jeez at this rate lebron is going to have ~5 finals losses to just the warriors by the end of his career
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Nola on May 10, 2018, 03:08:20 PM
Former GM David Griffin on his experience with Lebron James:

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"There’s literally nothing you can show him that he can’t do. There’s no play you’ll run against him he can’t name, and then go out there and teach your players how to do it better than anyone else," Griffin said on a recent episode of the Bill Simmons Podcast.

"I was in the gym when I watched him on the floor against Toronto tell Patrick Patterson where he was supposed to go on the play they had called out of a timeout late in the fourth quarter. He was like ‘no Pat, you’re supposed to stand over there and set a pin down for DeMar (DeRozan) over here.'"

 :mynicca
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2018, 06:46:06 PM
I'm feeling withdrawal. I've been watching NBA daily for the last few months.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 11, 2018, 12:35:48 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23471720/toronto-raptors-fire-head-coach-dwane-casey-7-seasons

Sad. Despite what happened, I'm not a fan of this move. I understand why it happened but still not a fan.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Brehvolution on May 11, 2018, 01:30:15 PM
Wins Coach of the Year

Gets fired
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Nola on May 11, 2018, 01:40:21 PM
That old adage always seems to be that the easiest thing an NBA organization can change is the coach, but it's often amongst the least effective ways to improve.

Seems Toronto is proving that again. Dwayne Casey wasn't tearing apart the organization like Mark Jackson was, and he successfully rebuilt that offense in an offseason, its hard to imagine what coach is going to drastically to do anything of note? Honestly the best chance Toronto has to get further into the playoffs is hope Paul George doesn't go to Philly and Lebron goes to the West.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 11, 2018, 03:20:30 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOoYUk8GCmw
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: etiolate on May 11, 2018, 03:43:06 PM
Raptors issue was that neither of their best players are "star" level.  They also got nothing out of their bench vs the Cavs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: benjipwns on May 12, 2018, 05:14:05 AM
Pistons will be going after Casey apparently. First actual name to pop up since Stan was dumped.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: eleuin on May 12, 2018, 01:53:29 PM
should've been fired after the wizards sweep tbh

offense being rebuilt was just derozan taking and making more threes

he also loved to bench jonas for seemingly no reason

I agree that neither lowry or dd being stars is the real issue, but it wasn't getting any better with him around anyways
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 13, 2018, 01:22:29 AM
https://www.thestar.com/sports/raptors/2018/05/12/dwane-casey-to-toronto-thank-you.html

 :tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 13, 2018, 04:18:23 PM
Cavs back to being Cavs. Inconsistent and one man focused.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 13, 2018, 04:28:54 PM
Cleveland back to looking terrible again
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 13, 2018, 05:34:21 PM
The most noticeable thing about this Cavs team compared to prior teams is that they can't take a punch. Once these Cavs go down by a certain amount its over.  And it doesn't matter when it is. There is no comeback. Everybody just packs it in for the day.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Mandark on May 13, 2018, 07:14:54 PM
https://twitter.com/NBAonTNT/status/995798618182438913
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Nola on May 13, 2018, 10:03:21 PM
My takeaway from game 1 of the Cavs/Celtics:

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:neogaf :heyman   :whew @Raptors
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: agrajag on May 13, 2018, 10:07:33 PM
Well, that was an unexpected ass whooping
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2018, 02:52:16 AM
Too early to go into panic mode and say the Celts are absolutely going to win, but if you wanted a picture perfect postcard of why they have a legit chance to take the series, that would be it.

You can't say it enough. Brad Stevens and what he has done with that team has to be the envy of the league. I can't really ever recall a team doing what they have done all season and all playoffs just losing people left and right and they never miss a beat. It feels like some college basketball stuff.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on May 14, 2018, 03:05:14 AM
Stevens is great. One nice thing about being a Cs fan this year is seeing 2/3rds of the payroll go down in flames and still seeing the system work with a bunch of very tenacious CAPs. It seems like players on their bench actually give a shit about the team more than average
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: etiolate on May 14, 2018, 06:17:56 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdMK-VrVQAApxJI.jpg)

#truth
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: agrajag on May 14, 2018, 09:05:10 PM
Leeeeeets go Rockets
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2018, 11:09:32 PM
Has to be pretty disappointing for rockets. Harden is going off but the warriors have been in constant control of this game.

I think this is what most of us feared.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: agrajag on May 14, 2018, 11:11:04 PM
It's hard to win against GSW when you are relying on one star playing iso ball. Reminds me of when Heat lost to Spurs in the finals.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2018, 11:35:57 PM
Rockets just fell into the buzzsaw that is the Warriors. I mean its nearly impossible to attack anybody for losing to this team. It's just cold hard facts that they have assembled the starting roster they have.

Warriors offense is so just so easy that its never hard for them to generate easy buckets. And they are quick, and long, and athletic on D. That is an impossible problem to solve.

We'll see if Rockets can salvage the split at home.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Akala on May 15, 2018, 12:32:04 AM
I can see a sweep.  :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: benjipwns on May 15, 2018, 01:27:20 AM
Quote
Mike D'Antoni on James Harden: "I'm just gonna go tell him that he needs to get 55 next time."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Nola on May 15, 2018, 01:39:13 AM
I can't decide whether I want the Warriors to sweep because it will make what the Pelicans did look kind of impressive, or I want to irrationally hope the Rockets will bounce back and pull it off so Lebron will feel much less comfortable considering the Rockets as a destination if the optics become him leaving Cleveland to cheat code onto a ready made championship team.

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: agrajag on May 15, 2018, 02:15:27 AM
Lebron to Rockets is the only way to end GSW's reign of terror. It must be done.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Nola on May 15, 2018, 02:51:21 AM
Quote from: agrajag on May 15, 2018, 02:15:27 AM
Lebron to Rockets is the only way to end GSW's reign of terror. It must be done.

At what cost though. At what cost!!

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It's weird. If you contacted 2015 or 2016 me I was praising GS and the way they built their empire, but at this point I'm almost wanting to sign onto the devils bargain that would break the league just to see those cocky smiles wiped away.
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (The collapse of the Philadelphia Raptors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2018, 03:11:10 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2018, 12:51:28 AM
Durant fundamentally changed that team into arguably the greatest team in history by a pretty good margin.

Like I said, I always go back to this. I just don't think people really processed this when it happened to the real end result because all the discussion was just venom being tossed at Durant. Pre-durant you had a really good historical team, but one that was still beatable if you executed at the highest level. Adding one of the top two players in the league to that mix removed that small margin you had.

Note that isn't a diss at the Warriors or the Durant. They both took the smartest path open to them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: agrajag on May 15, 2018, 03:17:58 AM
I think it's fucked up how much shit Bron took for Miami, when GS is way more stacked than Heat was.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2018, 03:19:24 AM
I never diss the players for making their free agent decisions. Especially when the media and fandom use not winning championships as a weapon to denigrate players.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: agrajag on May 15, 2018, 03:23:14 AM
This is why LeBron has to go to Houston. Fight fire with fire.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2018, 03:24:13 AM
Quote from: Exodust on May 15, 2018, 03:21:08 AM
a 73-9 team getting another top 3 player in free agency is insanely bullshit though.

Top two.  8)

Bullshit isn't the word I use but insanely overpowered. Yep. The cap explosion was huge for them.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: benjipwns on May 15, 2018, 03:42:43 AM
i always thought it was interesting how unmentioned it went in all the diatribes against them that the Heat Trio all took paycuts so they could get together too, not to the extent that say Karl Malone did to join the Lakers, but much less than they could have gotten from resigning with their teams or signing anywhere else (the sign-and-trades were mainly to make it work under the salary cap not to boost any of their salaries)

this was the offseason where the Knicks gave Amare a $100 million uninsured for example

Durant took a paycut to get to Golden State, but only because he was changing teams and they already dropped their franchise tag on Curry, he's been signing the 1+1 deals and will opt out after this season so he can sign a bigger deal.

That also helped OKC because they didn't have to choose, they could put the tag on Westbrook...and now they have George apparently leaning towards resigning, and they're stuck with Melo, so maybe some actual continuity will help with some of Westbrook's trust issues that seem like they date back to when he and Durant both took turns while the other was injured being the alpha and Brooks had to implement an actual offense out of necessity.

Also, for Akala, I'll mention Durant's tattoos again for no reason other than to take a petty shot at Durant. At least LeBron had to cover his up because he was playing for a Catholic high school when he was 17 years old.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: benjipwns on May 15, 2018, 03:44:29 AM
Quote from: agrajag on May 15, 2018, 03:23:14 AM
This is why LeBron has to go to Houston. Fight fire with fire.
And Kawhi has to sign with Boston, to keep the East non-competitive.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: etiolate on May 15, 2018, 08:12:36 PM
Naming that Grizzlie kid Courtney Love is child abuse.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: etiolate on May 15, 2018, 08:27:19 PM
De"Aaron Fox clutch in the draft, too.

Phoenix #1 is interesting since Ayton played at Arizona and their coach is familiar with Luka.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: agrajag on May 15, 2018, 08:40:16 PM
So Steve Kerr is Thanos, GS is the Infinity Gauntlet, LeBron is Tony Stark and Brad Stevens is Dr. Strange
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: etiolate on May 15, 2018, 09:01:09 PM
so kings subreddit has someone post a Prophecy theory that the Kings jump to 2 and take Luka Doncic

it's been the only topic on that board for like a month

the sub right now:

(https://s7.postimg.cc/jprnf5i17/Kings_Prophecy.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: agrajag on May 15, 2018, 09:43:23 PM
I think LeBron sprained his own neck. He twitched his head the opposite way from where it bounced from the impact!

https://youtu.be/amFyhuiFPRA

https://youtu.be/tBz3PqA2Fmc

 :hans1
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2018, 11:04:36 PM
And that is a real bad sign loss for the Cavs because they got good games from Lebron and Love and still lost by a lot.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Nola on May 16, 2018, 02:56:22 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdSQWaJV0AA11W4.jpg:large)

   :whew :hans1
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 16, 2018, 05:57:56 AM
Quote from: Jack Remington on May 16, 2018, 05:26:35 AM
Amazing game from the Celtics.

Eat shit, Stoney, you dick-gargling waste of life.

Who are you?

Seriously like I have no clue who you are you dude.

Are you some poster I shit down the throat of in the past?

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Huff on May 16, 2018, 06:21:41 AM
Kobe stan lives in Cali, hates lebron. Multiple past alts. Come on Stoney lets  put it together
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 16, 2018, 06:28:10 AM
Quote from: Huff on May 16, 2018, 06:21:41 AM
Kobe from, lives in Cali, hates lebron. Multiple past alts. Come on Stoney lets  put it together

That's fine. That's all I needed to know. It was just random. Like Agrajag from Hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy. Makes sense now.

Once people start swapping around usernames for the most part, I have no idea who they were in the past. I generally don't care enough to check it out until somebody starts randomly hollering at me.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Let's Cyber on May 16, 2018, 04:57:40 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2018, 11:04:36 PM
And that is a real bad sign loss for the Cavs because they got good games from Lebron and Love and still lost by a lot.
For sure. If you showed me that stat line before hand, I would have said the Cavs would have won by 10+.

Cavs should bounce back, their poor bench is much more likely to show up at home. Milwaukee handled the Celtics at home in game 3 after going down 0-2 and they've have been inconsistent on the road in general these playoffs.

Part of me really interested to see this potential Celtics vs. Warriors matchup tho. They don't have enough firepower to beat them outright (well, no one does) but their defense they might win them a game or two in Boston. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 16, 2018, 05:03:39 PM
Yeah me and my brother were talking yesterday and I basically conceded that Boston by far would make the far more interesting finals match-up. They are defensively the only team that could make Golden State break a sweat. They wouldn't have enough offense without Kyrie and Hayward but if I was a  gambling man, I would roll my dice with them over Cleveland who has zero defense to match-up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 16, 2018, 10:02:44 PM
edit wrong thread
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: agrajag on May 16, 2018, 10:39:56 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2018, 11:04:36 PM
And that is a real bad sign loss for the Cavs because they got good games from Lebron and Love and still lost by a lot.

Yep, Lebron and Love together made for 64 points (without counting assists). Plus Korver scored in double digits. Considering it was a pretty defensive game, this were optimal conditions for Cavs to win, so this doesn't bode well for them. To make uo the difference they either need even more production from Love (ain't happening) or more production from the bench, which is rather shallow.

I'm glad Houston woke up at least.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 16, 2018, 11:07:39 PM
Impressive showing for the Rockets tonight. Immediately giving up home court advantage wasn't ideal but you couldn't ask for a better bounce back game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: agrajag on May 16, 2018, 11:09:02 PM
Rockets are playing very solid D tonight. GS look lost out there, which is a rare sight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: agrajag on May 16, 2018, 11:28:59 PM
Yeeeeessssss! Technical then a flagrant. GSW are shook.

Edit: common foul. Should have been a flagrant.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: eleuin on May 17, 2018, 01:26:00 AM
Quote from: Huff on May 16, 2018, 06:21:41 AM
Kobe stan lives in Cali, hates lebron. Multiple past alts. Come on Stoney lets  put it together
oh he's snuffles(?) was that the name

literally the most persistent lebron hater I've ever seen  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 17, 2018, 11:22:13 AM
go rockets
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Let's Cyber on May 17, 2018, 12:19:00 PM
Quote from: TakingBackSunday on May 17, 2018, 11:22:13 AM
go rockets
https://twitter.com/NBA/status/996933436802822144

 :mouf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: bluemax on May 19, 2018, 12:53:43 AM
So many days of zzzz.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 19, 2018, 09:40:14 PM
Best half of the playoffs for the Cavs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Let's Cyber on May 20, 2018, 07:26:19 AM
C's on the road looking like the shook version of the Raptors.

 :heh

Also go Rockets.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: agrajag on May 20, 2018, 09:11:34 AM
LeBron is GOAT



God, I hope Rockets win tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: agrajag on May 20, 2018, 08:13:40 PM
Houston playing some fuckball in the first quarter
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2018, 08:38:44 PM
Rockets of Game 1 are back
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 20, 2018, 10:31:16 PM
Houston got their backs blown out. Game 4s gonna determine whether this goes 5 games or 7. They have serious defensive issues with golden state and couldn’t generate consistent offense tonight either. PJ had his super bowl already in game 2, if Gordon and Paul play pedestrian than who else do they go to? Their options are legit Green, ryno and iso joe :dame
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: agrajag on May 20, 2018, 10:38:31 PM
Looked just like game one. Paul and Harden looking to play iso ball every possession and taking very low percentage shots.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2018, 01:19:13 AM
I mean it was always a hard delusion to buy into that the Rockets could pull out the series but that game was the deathknell for it. Just an utter beatdown and prime example of what the Warriors are capable of when they care.

I didn't even think the Warriors actually played that well in the first half. The Rockets just played that poorly.

Not that the rockets can't steal individual games. But when a game matters, you know both teams really know what is going to happen.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Nola on May 21, 2018, 01:44:34 AM
I guess in my mind the only way the Rockets still or ever did have a chance was by catching the Warriors flat footed and/or Curry not being healthy enough to be Curry, and except for one game that hasn't really happened.

On paper the Warriors are stronger, deeper, and more versatile. Hard to find a way past that in the NBA during a 7 game series.

I definitely think they can play a tighter game than they did tonight, but IDK, how many wins that can translate to seems low.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2018, 02:06:29 AM
I don't like to critique the Rockets in a normal manner because generally speaking, I think all criticism of the Warriors opponents, should be framed in the context that they are playing an unmovable force. So its kind of silly to nitpick other teams because its silly to pretend that with one or two tweaks you can beat the Warriors. It's a pointless exercise.

I will say that if this series continues on its current trajectory, ultimately I think the model they have for beating them is no more likely to succeed than some other potential models. It puts so much pressure on James Harden that he has to essentially play perfectly in what is ultimately a pretty predictable offense. I just don't like that the ball doesn't move around. If the Warriors can just setup every time and you are forced to iso and try to break down a wall of a defense, I don't like that. That can absolutely be part of the offense. A large part. But it can't be the only thing. It just feels shortsighted. And yeah they were able to blitz through the regular season with it, pounding on most of the league, but its not ideal against the one team you actually have to beat.

Once again though, I think context is always important. In any other context, what the Rockets are doing even though I think it has real flaws, might be enough in a normally balanced league. It's just probably not in a world where the Warriors as constructed exist.

Also the Rockets played pretty shitty tonight no matter what system they use so there's that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Infinity War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Nola on May 21, 2018, 02:43:18 AM
Yeah the Warriors, especially now with Durant, really seem like they are about the closest thing to a perfect team built as close to perfectly for this era that you can get. Playing at an advanced level within a system of basketball that is about as perfect a match as you can have.

You're right, you have to kind of step back and remember that when you are analyzing teams losing to them in the playoffs.

I'm basically just retreading ground, but the only world where I see a healthy Warriors team not make the finals for the next few years is one where Lebron coordinates going to Houston, they resign Capella, and ideally buy cap space on someone's roster to take Anderson and fill out the bench with 3 and D ring chasers. Essentially creating another all-time great roster. If you are the Wolves, Pelicans, Thunder, or Blazers, you would definitely be wise not to make major organizational moves because you can't beat GS. Lebron to Houston and Lebron and friends to the Lakers is probably your only real chance...Basically, if your already close to contending team can't land Lebron, I wouldn't sweat losing to a healthy Warriors.


Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cruel Reality War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: team filler on May 21, 2018, 08:12:06 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdEfDzlvO-Y
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cruel Reality War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2018, 09:12:01 PM
Another good Cavs first quarter. Tristan Thompson really making a difference here on the d side.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cruel Reality War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 21, 2018, 09:38:06 PM
Kyle Korver is so damn good
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cruel Reality War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: agrajag on May 21, 2018, 09:45:07 PM
Thompson is having a great game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cruel Reality War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2018, 09:49:35 PM
Quote from: agrajag on May 21, 2018, 09:45:07 PM
Thompson is having a great game.

He's been legit essential the last two series.

After having a pretty dog shit season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cruel Reality War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: agrajag on May 21, 2018, 09:52:51 PM
They only dust him off for the playoffs it seems  :lol

Highest half of the season for Cavs, lowest half of the season for Celtics. Yeah, they're not coming back.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cruel Reality War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2018, 10:01:22 PM
(https://i.redd.it/7r6s96ai58z01.jpg)

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cruel Reality War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2018, 10:53:46 PM
Love has been awful tonight
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cruel Reality War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: bluemax on May 21, 2018, 11:04:40 PM
It's crazy that we're down to the 4 best teams and none of the games have been close.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cruel Reality War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2018, 11:13:51 PM
Quote from: bluemax on May 21, 2018, 11:04:40 PM
It's crazy that we're down to the 4 best teams and none of the games have been close.

Wait until the finals when the Warriors steamroll whoever they play...

That being said, if I were the Celtics, I wouldn't come out of this one demoralized like the last game. There are a lot of things they can still exploit based on the cavs abundant weaknesses.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cruel Reality War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 21, 2018, 11:18:45 PM
I don’t know.  It looks like all Lebron needs to win against the Celtics is two role players scoring more than 10 points.  Love was terrible tonight but Thompson and Korver were great
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cruel Reality War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 21, 2018, 11:19:03 PM
But yes the Warriors will sweep the Cavs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cruel Reality War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2018, 11:22:26 PM
Quote from: TakingBackSunday on May 21, 2018, 11:18:45 PM
I don’t know.  It looks like all Lebron needs to win against the Celtics is two role players scoring more than 10 points.  Love was terrible tonight but Thompson and Korver were great

Certainly possible. I just think the Celtics play so much better at home. It's really nite and day. Game 5 should be fun and the most competitive of the series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cruel Reality War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2018, 11:45:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxTV6idnGv8

Lowe and Simmons together. Always decently fun.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cruel Reality War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Let's Cyber on May 21, 2018, 11:57:06 PM
Probably going to 7 in the ECF. Just hoping for some closer, more competitive games before the finals.

Also, fuck the Rockets.
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cruel Reality War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2018, 09:11:42 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23540049/how-mike-dantoni-learned-embrace-iso-why-stop-now-nba

GS:12 Hou:0

 :jawalrus
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cruel Reality War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: agrajag on May 22, 2018, 09:16:05 PM
It's a bloodbath

 :brazilcry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cruel Reality War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: agrajag on May 22, 2018, 10:01:42 PM
Based Beard!

 :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cruel Reality War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2018, 10:05:33 PM
Nice Rockets recovery.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cruel Reality War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Let's Cyber on May 22, 2018, 10:07:58 PM
Is it happening? it feels like it's happening.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cruel Reality War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: agrajag on May 22, 2018, 10:11:03 PM
Guys keep talking bad about Houston, we can't jinx this
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cruel Reality War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2018, 10:44:31 PM
brutal. too many people to guard
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cruel Reality War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: agrajag on May 22, 2018, 10:48:47 PM
Yeah, GSW are pretty much impossible to defend
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cruel Reality War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: agrajag on May 22, 2018, 11:08:03 PM
what a game
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cruel Reality War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: agrajag on May 22, 2018, 11:25:36 PM
The crazy iso bastards did it!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cruel Reality War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2018, 11:25:59 PM
Super Impressive Rockets win. That's the heart and guts win people have been wanting out of them forever.

edit: At least in 0.05 seconds...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cruel Reality War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2018, 11:29:04 PM
lol rockets gave him a really good look there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cruel Reality War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Let's Cyber on May 22, 2018, 11:31:07 PM
 :mouf :mouf :mouf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cruel Reality War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: agrajag on May 22, 2018, 11:31:47 PM
CP3 came through under pressure
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cruel Reality War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2018, 11:33:09 PM
I'm glad for Chris. He had a huge game there. I don't like all the shit he's gotten over the years for playoff stuff considering the teams he's been on.

Series is now best of 3 and Rockets have 2 of those games at home. You couldn't ask for a better situation at this point.

Game was fascinating for a lot of different reasons. I feel like I need to see it again to try to grasp it.


Title: Re: The NBA thread (Best 2 out of 3 in both series)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2018, 11:40:59 PM
https://twitter.com/ringer/status/999129079067557889
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Cruel Reality War: Rockets versus Warriors)
Post by: agrajag on May 22, 2018, 11:41:49 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2018, 11:33:09 PM
I'm glad for Chris. He had a huge game there. I don't like all the shit he's gotten over the years for playoff stuff considering the teams he's been on.

Series is now best of 3 and Rockets have 2 of those games at home. You couldn't ask for a better situation at this point.

Game was fascinating for a lot of different reasons. I feel like I need to see it again to try to grasp it.

Granted I haven't watched Harden play too much over the years, but this is the hardest I've seen him hustle defensively. Getting stops, steals.. The old cliche really rings true in this game, Houston wanted it more.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Best 2 out of 3 in both series)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2018, 11:42:47 PM
For two such high powered offenses it kind of felt like a defensive game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Best 2 out of 3 in both series)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 22, 2018, 11:45:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=&v=XVgwIb7oWIc
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Best 2 out of 3 in both series)
Post by: team filler on May 23, 2018, 01:04:32 AM
https://twitter.com/whoadiebrees/status/999147881205518336
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Best 2 out of 3 in both series)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 23, 2018, 07:54:57 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23570465/video-police-using-stun-gun-milwaukee-bucks-rookie-sterling-brown-worries-mayor
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Best 2 out of 3 in both series)
Post by: Brehvolution on May 23, 2018, 09:00:22 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 23, 2018, 07:54:57 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23570465/video-police-using-stun-gun-milwaukee-bucks-rookie-sterling-brown-worries-mayor

I hope it's really bad and people lose their jobs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Best 2 out of 3 in both series)
Post by: Let's Cyber on May 23, 2018, 11:11:50 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 23, 2018, 07:54:57 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23570465/video-police-using-stun-gun-milwaukee-bucks-rookie-sterling-brown-worries-mayor
"We're very sorry we got caught doing something to an NBA player that we usually get away with."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Best 2 out of 3 in both series)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 23, 2018, 03:31:11 PM
Just to put things in context Boston is 9-0 at home in the playoffs this year.

Also Boston has scored 111.9 points and allowed a 101.1 per 100 possessions at home, while scoring 98.3 points and conceding 111.2 per 100 possessions on the road.

So they really are nite and day.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Best 2 out of 3 in both series)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 23, 2018, 10:15:15 PM
That homecourt difference...

also

https://deadspin.com/milwaukee-police-release-video-of-bucks-sterling-brown-1826275081

This is America edition.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Best 2 out of 3 in both series)
Post by: bluemax on May 24, 2018, 01:22:10 AM
I was listening on the radio while driving home and I think the announcer said that Cleveland has been held under 90 pts in the playoffs more than every other playoff team combined.

That's pretty crazy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Best 2 out of 3 in both series)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2018, 02:44:36 AM
Well Cleveland has the most variability of any of the teams. If the 3's are falling for the other players and Lebron has a good game they can put up numbers. But if the three's aren't falling then the team has a super low end where the offense is just the worst thing ever.

I think the modern abundance of three's also increases the occurrence of blowouts either because cold teams keep taking them or a hot team can really punish another team with them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Best 2 out of 3 in both series)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2018, 09:29:53 PM
Warriors held under 20 points for that first quarter. Doesn't happen alot
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Best 2 out of 3 in both series)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2018, 09:41:46 PM
Harden is killing me a bit with all these stepback misses
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Best 2 out of 3 in both series)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2018, 10:09:31 PM
Bit of a worrying half there for the Rockets. Feels like they should be up by 10 instead of tied but they blew a lot of chances.

Rockets 6 of 24 from 3 point range and a lot of those misses were wide open.

Chris Paul 0-7 2 points
Harden 4-13 9 points
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Best 2 out of 3 in both series)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2018, 11:30:20 PM
lol Draymond
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Best 2 out of 3 in both series)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2018, 11:32:02 PM
Ugly game. Hellaciously intense though.

Wonder how bad that Paul injury is
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Best 2 out of 3 in both series)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 24, 2018, 11:41:00 PM
https://twitter.com/NBAonTNT/status/999839936743288832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2Fsports%2Fnba%2F2018%2F05%2F24%2Fchris-paul-mocks-steph-currys-shimmy-after-game-5-three-pointer%2F643458002%2F&tfw_creator=usatoday&tfw_site=usatoday
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Best 2 out of 3 in both series)
Post by: Brehvolution on May 25, 2018, 10:46:41 AM
I couldn't understand why they didn't let Durant take the inbound and take it the rest of the way.  :duh

Steph is hurt, Klay is hurt, and yet they pass it to Draymond?  :dizzy
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Best 2 out of 3 in both series)
Post by: agrajag on May 25, 2018, 12:29:30 PM
Fuuuuuck. Was hoping Houston could close it out at home.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Best 2 out of 3 in both series)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 25, 2018, 01:08:03 PM
Quote from: agrajag on May 25, 2018, 12:29:30 PM
Fuuuuuck. Was hoping Houston could close it out at home.

Game 6 is in Oakland.

Game 7 is in Houston.

Unfortunate the Rockets basically have to concede game 6 and pray Paul is healthy enough to try to suit up for game 7.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Best 2 out of 3 in both series)
Post by: agrajag on May 25, 2018, 01:19:40 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 25, 2018, 01:08:03 PM
Quote from: agrajag on May 25, 2018, 12:29:30 PM
Fuuuuuck. Was hoping Houston could close it out at home.

Game 6 is in Oakland.

Game 7 is in Houston.

Unfortunate the Rockets basically have to concede game 6 and pray Paul is healthy enough to try to suit up for game 7.

Oh well, that's better then. I missed last night's game, how bad was the hamstring injury?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Best 2 out of 3 in both series)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 25, 2018, 01:29:26 PM
It looked pretty bad. He was hobbled significantly. It was immediately obvious he wouldn't be playing in game 6 and I think its definitely up in the air if he can go in game 7 at the earliest.

Game 6 is less of a big deal, because they were unlikely to win that one anyway but Game 7 is the rough one. Houston's offense getting even more one dimensional in a game 7 is scary and Harden has struggled when its clear he is the only one to focus on in the offense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Best 2 out of 3 in both series)
Post by: agrajag on May 25, 2018, 02:02:55 PM
Hoping Eric Gordon can have another great offensive game. They need to play a defensive game like they've been doing and just break GSW's will. I have no fath in Harden not crumbling under pressure though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Best 2 out of 3 in both series)
Post by: agrajag on May 25, 2018, 10:49:33 PM
Gonna be tough to close out game 7 in Boston, but I think LeGoat can do it
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Best 2 out of 3 in both series)
Post by: agrajag on May 25, 2018, 10:53:39 PM
Christ LeBron is a monster. Anyone know what his stats are for the playoffs?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Best 2 out of 3 in both series)
Post by: Mandark on May 25, 2018, 10:59:05 PM
33.2/8.8/8.8/1.4/1.0 per game on .547 FG%, .621 TS%, .287 WS/48min.

So pretty decent.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Best 2 out of 3 in both series)
Post by: agrajag on May 25, 2018, 11:00:53 PM
🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Best 2 out of 3 in both series)
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 26, 2018, 01:16:54 AM
Even though they won, the Cavs look worn down. Not a good look with only a day and a half of rest coming up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Best 2 out of 3 in both series)
Post by: Brehvolution on May 26, 2018, 01:17:54 AM
It's the end of the season. Everyone looks tired.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Best 2 out of 3 in both series)
Post by: El Babua on May 26, 2018, 01:53:52 AM
GS offense looks like the worst I've ever seen it in the last couple of games.

Curry's shooting has been pretty bad. I think they can defend him as a regular shooter now instead of how it was the last couple of years. Put more pressure on Klay and Durant. And if those Durant isos don't deliver they might still lose the series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Best 2 out of 3 in both series)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 26, 2018, 04:19:25 AM
I'm out of town until like Tuesday so I only got to watch a little bit of the game tonight. Lebron doing Lebron things as usual. Not sure about game 7. Guess it depends on who shows up for the cavs.

I'm back to being fully pessimistic on the Rockets/Warriors situation. Not because I think the Warriors are invincible anymore but because of that CP3 injury thing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Elimination games)
Post by: agrajag on May 26, 2018, 09:31:13 PM
Quote from: Exodust on May 26, 2018, 09:09:49 PM
Damn Rockets coming in hard.

 :mouf :mouf :mouf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Elimination games)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on May 26, 2018, 09:32:19 PM
I just turned this on and uh, what the fuck? Not what I expected to see at all
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Elimination games)
Post by: agrajag on May 26, 2018, 09:36:01 PM
Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on May 26, 2018, 09:32:19 PM
I just turned this on and uh, what the fuck? Not what I expected to see at all

Same, Wrath actually reminded me the game was on
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Elimination games)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on May 26, 2018, 10:23:10 PM
well that fell apart quickly
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Elimination games)
Post by: agrajag on May 26, 2018, 10:23:32 PM
Fuuuuu
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Elimination games)
Post by: team filler on May 26, 2018, 10:24:10 PM
 :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Elimination games)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on May 26, 2018, 10:28:15 PM
fuckin warriors activated the based god curse during halftime
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Elimination games)
Post by: team filler on May 26, 2018, 10:33:00 PM
harden moonwalk  ::)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Elimination games)
Post by: agrajag on May 26, 2018, 10:33:45 PM
Quote from: filler on May 26, 2018, 10:33:00 PM
harden moonwalk  ::)

 :umad
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Elimination games)
Post by: team filler on May 26, 2018, 10:35:35 PM
I remember when that was just a travel  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Elimination games)
Post by: Assimilate on May 26, 2018, 10:39:55 PM
so does anything actually matter in playoff basketball besides the last half of the 4th quarter ? lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Elimination games)
Post by: agrajag on May 26, 2018, 10:43:22 PM
Quote from: Assimilate on May 26, 2018, 10:39:55 PM
so does anything actually matter in playoff basketball besides the last half of the 4th quarter ? lol

Yes? Did you watch last night's game? The 4th didn't matter at all.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Elimination games)
Post by: team filler on May 26, 2018, 10:43:25 PM
 :rejoice :rejoice :rejoice :whoo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Elimination games)
Post by: agrajag on May 26, 2018, 10:47:44 PM
Good game
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Elimination games)
Post by: Assimilate on May 26, 2018, 10:50:35 PM
Ok, it's what? an 8 point difference? Let's see if any of this matters. I've seen point changes every time i've tuned in. None of this shit matters until the second half of the 4th but let's see.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Elimination games)
Post by: Mandark on May 26, 2018, 10:51:34 PM
Quote from: agrajag on May 26, 2018, 10:43:22 PM
Yes? Did you watch last night's game? The 4th didn't matter at all.

None of the ECF games have come down to crunch time so far.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Elimination games)
Post by: agrajag on May 26, 2018, 10:54:29 PM
Quote from: Exodust on May 26, 2018, 10:51:45 PM
Gordon is fucking up these free throws. That was a hell of a play to draw the foul though.

Also how about we ignore the dumbass outside of his dead daddy's thread?

this game gave me some hope for game 7, GSW are playing like trash
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Elimination games)
Post by: team filler on May 26, 2018, 10:58:41 PM
 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Elimination games)
Post by: agrajag on May 26, 2018, 11:10:17 PM
Quote from: Exodust on May 26, 2018, 11:10:00 PM
Well, it's over.

They imploded
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Elimination games)
Post by: team filler on May 26, 2018, 11:11:02 PM
 :point
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Elimination games)
Post by: team filler on May 26, 2018, 11:13:55 PM
 :delicious
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Elimination games)
Post by: eleuin on May 26, 2018, 11:14:16 PM
barkley remains undefeated in being wrong
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Elimination games)
Post by: team filler on May 26, 2018, 11:18:35 PM
Quote from: agrajag on May 26, 2018, 10:33:45 PM
Quote from: filler on May 26, 2018, 10:33:00 PM
harden moonwalk  ::)

 :umad
:smug
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Let's Cyber on May 27, 2018, 02:07:49 AM
When the Rockets were up 33-19 :hyper :omg

and then that 3rd quarter happened

(https://i.imgur.com/bmjXb6f.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 27, 2018, 01:10:02 PM
That game last night was always going to the Warriors. The setup was just too much in their favor. Hopefully Rockets can win at home. That's why they fought so hard to win all those regular season games. For a game 7 advantage.

Quote
NBA will have two Game 7s in conference Finals for the first time since 1979

I didn't realize it had been that long.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Let's Cyber on May 27, 2018, 01:24:01 PM
I don't have much faith in the Cavs supporting cast tonight but things can change when the pressure is on.

The Celtics have played fast and confident at home, will be interesting to see if they keep it up with a trip to the finals on the line.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: agrajag on May 27, 2018, 01:51:33 PM
Yeah my gut is saying Celtics are going to win.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: agrajag on May 27, 2018, 09:40:00 PM
The 3 isn't dropping for the cavs. Still a close game, considering.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: team filler on May 27, 2018, 10:11:50 PM
that was a foul on bron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: agrajag on May 27, 2018, 10:15:20 PM
Quote from: filler on May 27, 2018, 10:11:50 PM
that was a foul on bron

The block? I thought so too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: team filler on May 27, 2018, 10:26:22 PM
 :gladbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Assimilate on May 27, 2018, 10:34:19 PM
this sport turned into a pussy sport. everything is a damn foul, or a time out. do they even play?  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: agrajag on May 27, 2018, 10:53:50 PM
That was a hell of an outlet pass to Hill. One more assist and LeBron has a triple double

 :gladbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: agrajag on May 27, 2018, 10:56:24 PM
No it's over
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: team filler on May 27, 2018, 10:57:35 PM
celtics  :lol :lol :lol  :trash
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Assimilate on May 27, 2018, 10:58:37 PM
ok, that was anti climatic. one min it's a close game, a few missed shots they pull ahead.

 :zzz
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Nola on May 27, 2018, 10:59:09 PM
Yeah both of these series have been pretty well officiated. Not lopsided and a lot of deference toward just letting the teams play.

This is honestly not the time of the season I really have an issue with the officiating. The conference finals and the finals typically have the sort of officiating you wish the league could maintain all the time.

Really not looking forward to yet another Warriors/Cavs finals, but Lebron has really helped cement his legacy this playoff run





Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: team filler on May 27, 2018, 11:01:30 PM
will the east ever stop being trash?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: agrajag on May 27, 2018, 11:02:36 PM
No.


Hopefully Houston pulls off a miracle tomorrow.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 27, 2018, 11:04:31 PM
One of the more impressive accomplishments I've seen to backpack that group to the finals. If you watched any significant amount of Cavalier games this season, you understand that completely.

That was essentially the Cavs finals right there since they have no chance in the real finals.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Akala on May 27, 2018, 11:06:47 PM
Choooo. Kinda rooting for Bron, if GSW gets through it could be a massacre tho.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Mandark on May 27, 2018, 11:07:03 PM
What else is there to even say about LeBron at this point? God damn.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Nola on May 27, 2018, 11:08:44 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 27, 2018, 11:04:31 PM
One of the more impressive accomplishments I've seen to backpack that group to the finals. If you watched any significant amount of Cavalier games this season, you understand that completely.

That was essentially the Cavs finals right there since they have no chance in the real finals.

I think you are right. About the only chance the Cavs really have is if Klay and Steph re-aggrivate their injuries or somehow the Rockets pull it off tomorrow. IF they could somehow get the Rockets, I think they would definitely have a punchers chance if CP3 can't come back.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 27, 2018, 11:10:43 PM
Nice intensity game but super ugly.

Look at that 3 point shooting.

Celtics

7-39   

Cavs

9-35

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 27, 2018, 11:10:56 PM
Quote from: Exodust on May 27, 2018, 10:58:19 PM
Yet another Cavs/Warriors finals where the cavs lose in 5 incoming.
5? :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: team filler on May 27, 2018, 11:16:18 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 27, 2018, 11:07:03 PM
What else is there to even say about LeBron at this point? God damn.
he definitely ruled the trash ass eastern conference during his career
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: agrajag on May 27, 2018, 11:17:05 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on May 27, 2018, 11:10:56 PM
Quote from: Exodust on May 27, 2018, 10:58:19 PM
Yet another Cavs/Warriors finals where the cavs lose in 5 incoming.
5? :neogaf

Golden State has been playing shitty for their standards breh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: agrajag on May 27, 2018, 11:17:46 PM
Quote from: filler on May 27, 2018, 11:16:18 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 27, 2018, 11:07:03 PM
What else is there to even say about LeBron at this point? God damn.
he definitely ruled the trash ass eastern conference during his career

If he was on any top 5 team in the West, what do you think would happen?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: team filler on May 27, 2018, 11:20:15 PM
Quote from: agrajag on May 27, 2018, 11:17:46 PM
Quote from: filler on May 27, 2018, 11:16:18 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 27, 2018, 11:07:03 PM
What else is there to even say about LeBron at this point? God damn.
he definitely ruled the trash ass eastern conference during his career

If he was on any top 5 team in the West, what do you think would happen?
he wouldn't have made it to the finals so many damn times playing in a real conference
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: agrajag on May 27, 2018, 11:23:09 PM
Quote from: filler on May 27, 2018, 11:20:15 PM
Quote from: agrajag on May 27, 2018, 11:17:46 PM
Quote from: filler on May 27, 2018, 11:16:18 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 27, 2018, 11:07:03 PM
What else is there to even say about LeBron at this point? God damn.
he definitely ruled the trash ass eastern conference during his career

If he was on any top 5 team in the West, what do you think would happen?
he wouldn't have made it to the finals so many damn times playing in a real conference

If you replace Durant with Lebron, they would've swept Houston already
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 27, 2018, 11:30:27 PM
Super bright future for boston.

No Kyrie. No Hayward.

A hair away from the finals.

Still have future draft picks.

Still have assets to potentially trade like Rozier.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Let's Cyber on May 28, 2018, 12:05:08 AM
Quote from: filler on May 27, 2018, 11:01:30 PM
will the east ever stop being trash?
LeBron makes sweeping #1 seeded 60 win Hawk teams or 59 win Raptor teams look routine at this point. Doesn't mean those teams were "trash", LeBron was just better when it mattered.

 :yeshrug
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Let's Cyber on May 28, 2018, 12:07:09 AM
but yeah, C's and 76ers are definitely the future in the East.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Mandark on May 28, 2018, 12:08:06 AM
Those 80's Lakers teams regularly had soft paths to the finals but nobody holds that against Magic.

It's all good though. Anyone hating on LeBron at this point just doesn't like basketball.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 28, 2018, 12:10:47 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 28, 2018, 12:08:06 AM
Those 80's Lakers teams regularly had soft paths to the finals but nobody holds that against Magic.

It's all good though. Anyone hating on LeBron at this point just doesn't like basketball.

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: agrajag on May 28, 2018, 12:16:26 PM
I just checked the stats, LeBron is having his best playoffs ever in terms of points made and assists.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Nola on May 28, 2018, 12:25:15 PM
Speaking of just having praised the NBA’s late playoffs officiating, Scott Foster is officiating tonight’s game 7.  :mueller


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Though the one saving grace is that he seems to hate the Rockets as much as he hates the Warriors. Both teams turn to dog shit when he calls their games. So maybe that just cancels each other out....or we get an all out game of fuckery.
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: agrajag on May 28, 2018, 12:28:33 PM
CP3 unlikely to play tonight  :maf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Kara on May 28, 2018, 12:59:42 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 28, 2018, 12:08:06 AM
Those 80's Lakers teams regularly had soft paths to the finals but nobody holds that against Magic.

Just glanced at the 1982 season, which should really prove your point because there were still byes in the NBA playoffs then, and the Lakers played the #3 offense (with a league average defense) and the #4 defense (with a below league average offense) before facing the Sixers.

And no one puts Magic on Bron's level these days anyway.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on May 28, 2018, 01:02:11 PM
Quote from: Stro on May 28, 2018, 08:35:22 AM
That makes KD Larry Bird, right? Tall, lanky, ugly hair, ugly face, ugly facial hair, scrawny legs
Bird was an all time shit talker. KD will never get a "merry fucking christmas" moment
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: team filler on May 28, 2018, 01:05:25 PM
https://twitter.com/anthonyVslater/status/1001144823758417924
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Nola on May 28, 2018, 01:14:22 PM
Quote from: Kara on May 28, 2018, 12:59:42 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 28, 2018, 12:08:06 AM
Those 80's Lakers teams regularly had soft paths to the finals but nobody holds that against Magic.

Just glanced at the 1982 season, which should really prove your point because there were still byes in the NBA playoffs then, and the Lakers played the #3 offense (with a league average defense) and the #4 defense (with a below league average offense) before facing the Sixers.

And no one puts Magic on Bron's level these days anyway.

Not to mention that Magic took that path on the Lakers with a bunch of hall of famers on his wing: Kareem and Wilkes, Worthy and Kareem.
Often with multiple all stars, starter caliber role players, and defensive stalwarts also around their core. Like AC Green, Byron Scott, Michael Cooper, Bob McAdoo  So I give Lebron a lot of props for what he did, even if it is in the Leastern Conference.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Nola on May 28, 2018, 01:17:41 PM
Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on May 28, 2018, 01:02:11 PM
Quote from: Stro on May 28, 2018, 08:35:22 AM
That makes KD Larry Bird, right? Tall, lanky, ugly hair, ugly face, ugly facial hair, scrawny legs
Bird was an all time shit talker. KD will never get a "merry fucking christmas" moment

Bird also wouldn't hide behind his goons, he'd go right back at you and could punch above his weight class.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: benjipwns on May 28, 2018, 01:19:45 PM
Quote from: Stro on May 28, 2018, 08:35:22 AM
That makes KD Larry Bird, right? Tall, lanky, ugly hair, ugly face, ugly facial hair, scrawny legs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwo4vtaZmsY

typing "kevin durant passing" into youtube returned "why did durant pass up the final shot", "lebron passes torch to durant" and "did durant pass lebron?" along with a nine minute video of ricky rubio passing highlights

so
Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on May 28, 2018, 01:02:11 PM
Bird was an all time shit talker. KD will never get a "merry fucking christmas" moment
also, are there videos of the opposing bench celebrating durant hitting shots?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: agrajag on May 28, 2018, 01:23:00 PM
lol why do those old timey hook shots look like your dad playing basketball?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: benjipwns on May 28, 2018, 01:37:58 PM
speaking of "what ifs" there was the article about Nash and D'Antoni talking about how they were already busting the game so much they were leery about letting Nash play like Harden except in select situations and now how they regret it: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23540049/how-mike-dantoni-learned-embrace-iso-why-stop-now-nba
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Avery Johnson threw D'Antoni a curveball in Game 2 of the 2005 Western Conference semifinals.

Johnson instructed his Dallas Mavericks to switch every screen, a bold strategy back then and something Nash hadn't seen while leading the Suns to 62 wins and earning the MVP that season.

It worked that night, as the Mavs pulled off a 108-106 victory in Phoenix to even the series after being blown out in the opener.

"I remember management and coaches saying, 'What are we gonna do? They're switching everything, and Steve's going one-on-one?'" D'Antoni said. "I said, 'Well, let me think. So their philosophy is to give us a 15-foot shot with the best shooter in the world? We're going to do that every time.'"

Don Nelson, as Nash's coach when he played in Dallas, often yelled at the pass-first point guard to be more aggressive looking for his shot. This was Johnson, Nash's former teammate before he became an assistant under Nelson, gambling that Nash wouldn't fire away.

Nash, with pushing from D'Antoni, accepted the dare and averaged 37 points and 11.5 assists the rest of the series. The Suns eliminated the Mavs in six games. That, in some respects, was foreshadowing of D'Antoni's future with the Rockets: force a switch and let an All-NBA guard go.

In hindsight, D'Antoni wishes it had been a sign of things to come with the Suns.

Rockets coach Mike D'Antoni
As great as Nash was during their four seasons together, winning a pair of MVPs and twice taking the Suns to the West finals, D'Antoni believes he could have been more dominant if he hadn't been so determined to be a traditional point guard.

"Oh, without a doubt, I screwed that up," D'Antoni said. "Nash was a purist. Steve's a Hall of Fame point guard. He was unbelievably good. I just think instead of averaging 15 or 16 [points], he could have averaged 30 for us. He was that good of a shooter, and I don't think it would have screwed the team up."
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D'Antoni is convinced that the Suns would have been even more successful if Nash ran all those pick-and-rolls with a shoot-first mindset.

"If they even give a hint of going under [the screen], just whap it," D'Antoni said. Nash, now a player-development consultant for the Warriors who sees Stephen Curry shredding defenses with his jump shot, agrees with his old coach.

"We know better now," Nash said. "The math's been validated, and I think that's why point guards are so aggressive. It makes sense. We stuck to our traditional values, and that allowed me to stick to my personality, whereas I should have come further and further out of my personality.

"Yeah, I should have probably shot the ball 20 times a game. It probably would have made a lot more sense, but at the time, we weren't ready for that league-wide. Everyone was telling us that you can't win shooting all those 3s, and now we realize that we didn't shoot enough, especially when we were playing small. So, yeah, I think Mike's right. I regret it, too.

"But it really wasn't my personality and the culture of the game wasn't ready for that. So it was like a bridge too far, so to speak, at the time."

Nash referenced another of D'Antoni's regrets: that the Suns didn't shoot even more 3s. The criticism that they shot too many, which came externally from the media and internally from the front office, seems cute in hindsight.

The most 3s the Suns attempted during D'Antoni's tenure was 25.6 per game in 2005-06, an unheard of number at the time. That would have ranked 25th in the NBA this season, when D'Antoni's Rockets shot 42.3 3s per night, breaking the league record they set last season.

"If we'd shoot 30-something 3s back then, it was like, 'Oh my gosh!'" D'Antoni said. "That was like stepping out of the box back then. But that was like putting our toes in the water. I should have dove in, and I really regret that."

Zach Lowe had a similar off-hand mention about how a lot of older players were struggling on teams implementing the defensive switch everything mentality because they grew up in a game where it was uncouth or unmanly, sorta like how those Suns were treated for taking so many threes and taking shots on advantage...versus now when everyone chases the Heat/Warriors playing five-out at once with "backwards" screens and spreading the floor (people sometimes sorta forget the Heat had already started having Bosh setup way out, even out to the three point line, and were playing Battier as the other forward with LeBron and he'd go camp in the corner if not screening, then sometimes ditch Chalmers or Bosh to play Ray Allen since LeBron and Wade were the "point guards" anyway)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: benjipwns on May 28, 2018, 01:49:39 PM
Quote from: agrajag on May 28, 2018, 01:23:00 PM
lol why do those old timey hook shots look like your dad playing basketball?
they used to teach a hook shot that was really utilitarian (along with other moves in college) so even all the stars until the 90s use those moves that look extra "old" today even if they probably could easily do more modern moves, I read an older article recently, Wilt stole an idea he got from Bob Pettit which basically eventually became Kareem's skyhook but Wilt was discouraged from it rather than minimizing the amount of effort and distance the ball needed to be away from his hands

one reason was that they were afraid guys would undercut him, teams had started doing this to Elgin Baylor for "being flashy" aka jumping in ways that weren't straight up and down (and also being black didn't help)

Wilt's minutes records have always been his most impressive to me, and LeBron's getting some of that love especially since as noted above his constant Finals runs in this era have been like two to three extra whole seasons at this point, but a lot of that was learning minimization of movements, whereas Bill Russell's whole game early on was more destroying cacs with his absurd athleticism than skills (other than IQ/smarts/etc.) and jumping a hundred times in two seconds if necessary (re: undercutting Russell or similar, the Celtics would fuck you up, Wilt and Baylor didn't really have those teammates many seasons, apparently Big O himself would murder your family for shit plays (main takeaway I got from that Sam Smith book is that his in-game persona has more than triple doubles in common with Westbrook))
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Kara on May 28, 2018, 01:51:12 PM
Quote from: Nola on May 28, 2018, 01:14:22 PM
Quote from: Kara on May 28, 2018, 12:59:42 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 28, 2018, 12:08:06 AM
Those 80's Lakers teams regularly had soft paths to the finals but nobody holds that against Magic.

Just glanced at the 1982 season, which should really prove your point because there were still byes in the NBA playoffs then, and the Lakers played the #3 offense (with a league average defense) and the #4 defense (with a below league average offense) before facing the Sixers.

And no one puts Magic on Bron's level these days anyway.

Not to mention that Magic took that path on the Lakers with a bunch of hall of famers on his wing: Kareem and Wilkes, Worthy and Kareem.
Often with multiple all stars, starter caliber role players, and defensive stalwarts also around their core. Like AC Green, Byron Scott, Michael Cooper, Bob McAdoo  So I give Lebron a lot of props for what he did, even if it is in the Leastern Conference.

A.C. Green showing da youf that being celibate makes you ball, not shoot up a school.

 :aah
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: benjipwns on May 28, 2018, 01:56:54 PM
Quote from: Stro on May 28, 2018, 01:51:37 PM
White grit  :noah
decades ago the CIA implemented a project to save up all the white American basketball skill to put into one superstar savior to compete (along with introducing crack into black neighborhoods)

Danny Ferry, Keith Van Horn, Mike Dunleavy Jr. and Adam Morrison test runs implied we needed to save up increasingly more each decade...that's why it's been quite a while...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: team filler on May 28, 2018, 02:27:47 PM
https://twitter.com/_Truthbe/status/1000945527532355584
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 28, 2018, 03:24:16 PM
I felt bad for Tristan last night. He was the only guy under the rim to try to retrieve all that trash the Cavs were heaving up. Often having to fight with 2-3 Celtics in the process.

It was an odd decision, but evidently the Cavs needed the other 4 players to go back and defend as quickly as possible.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Mandark on May 28, 2018, 04:23:13 PM
Quote from: Kara on May 28, 2018, 12:59:42 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 28, 2018, 12:08:06 AM
Those 80's Lakers teams regularly had soft paths to the finals but nobody holds that against Magic.

Just glanced at the 1982 season, which should really prove your point because there were still byes in the NBA playoffs then, and the Lakers played the #3 offense (with a league average defense) and the #4 defense (with a below league average offense) before facing the Sixers.

And no one puts Magic on Bron's level these days anyway.

Check out 1984-87. Out of 12 series in the West, LA played 5 teams with losing records and only 2 teams with 45+ wins.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Mandark on May 28, 2018, 04:54:17 PM
The Lakers and Celtics dynasties in the 80's were built on some absolute heists.

They got Magic with a compensation pick when Gail Goodrich went to the Jazz (and fell off a cliff as soon as he got there). They got James Worthy with the #1 overall pick a couple years later. I forget who they traded to get it, but I know it was with the Cavs and part of a draft pick giveaway which prompted the NBA to create the Stepien Rule (where you can't trade first round picks in consecutive years).

Imagine having something named after you, and that something is a rule to save dumb rich guys from themselves.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Nola on May 28, 2018, 05:31:27 PM
Quote from: Exodust on May 28, 2018, 04:47:39 PM
Didn't the Lakers also get the number one draft pick for the year they won the championship? Which they used to get Magic anyway?

I might be misremembering but I remember something similar.

I feel like a good chunk of the NBA's history was just like 3-4 organizations that actually knew what the fuck they were doing and everyone else basically was getting taken to the woodshed and acting like organizational feeders to those teams.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: benjipwns on May 28, 2018, 06:30:24 PM
The Celtics big three of the 1980s was assembled basically because of a draft loophole and a league rule seemingly requiring everyone to trade for Bob McAdoo once.

The Celtics got Kevin McHale and Robert Parish because the Warriors wanted Joe Barry Carroll in the draft. The Celtics had the Carroll pick in the first place because they signed M.L. Carr from the Pistons who as compensation asked to take Bob McAdoo off the Celtics hands in exchange for two first round picks.

They got Bird after drafting him a year before he actually came out of college because of a contract dispute that allowed him to go back and play another season and play in the most televised game in NCAA history to that point. He and Magic would have gone 1/2 if he had re-entered the 1979 Draft instead of signing with the Celtics. The Celtics had already traded their 1979 first round pick (which had become #3) for Bob McAdoo so they had to sign Bird before the Draft.

So Magic went #1 to the Lakers, the Knicks used #3 to take Bill Cartwright. The Bulls were drafting 2nd. The Bulls took David Greenwood.

If the Celtics hadn't caved to Bird's salary demands and he re-entered the draft, either he or Magic might have wound up on the Bulls five years before Jordan.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: benjipwns on May 28, 2018, 06:55:59 PM
While we're on teams "abusing" the draft process... People talk about the horrible behavior of the Sixers to stack up top draft picks (when their only #1 pick is Ben Simmons...Embiid was #3, as was the pick they sent for Fultz, and as was Jahil Okafor who they borderline waived...) while funnily ignoring three other current situations stacking up certain franchises' key players.

The Lakers have taken three straight #2 picks, in D'Angelo Russell, Ingram and Ball.

The Cavaliers starting lineup over the last few years is the result of four #1 picks and a #4 pick. LeBron, Love (who they got for winning back-to-back #1's, Wiggins and Bennett), Kyrie, and Tristan Thompson. (The latter two who were #1 and #4 in the same draft. Because they took Baron Davis' contract off the Clippers hands and the Clippers sent them the pick that became Kyrie as payment.)

And the Celtics! Their rotation this year featured a #6 (Smart), a #1 (Kyrie) and three #3's (Horford, Brown and Tatum), three of which they themselves drafted (one of which was a #1 pick before they traded down), they aren't "tanking" in part because the Nets are doing it for them and sending them (and now the Cavs too) the picks.

An amusing semi-recent anti-success draft history is maybe the Grizzlies while they were in Vancouver, they turned a #3, #4 and three straight #2 picks (in part because they and the Raptors were barred from winning the lottery until 2000...both teams actually did win and the NBA had to redo the draw*) into a whopping 23 wins in their final season before moving.

*One of those times led to the Sixers getting #1 and drafting Allen Iverson. A string of Sixers drafts from 1992-98 in which they picked #9 (Weatherspoon), #2 (Bradley), #6 (Sharone Wright), #3 (Stackhouse), #1 (Iverson), #2 (Van Horn) and #8 (Larry Hughes) each of whom were on or were traded for the parts of their 2001 Finals team. So they're repeat offenders! They were copying themselves being crappy and getting lottery picks for it! And Hinkie pretended it was new by giving it a name like "The Process" (and having his draft picks get or be injured) the cheating bastards! Thank god the league did something this time though...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Nola on May 28, 2018, 07:13:49 PM
Quote from: Stro on May 28, 2018, 05:43:20 PM
I feel like you're a fuckin bitch

Good point
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: benjipwns on May 28, 2018, 07:30:05 PM
The master tanker really is Gregg Popovich. He used the opportunity to first fire a coach who had just won 62 and 59 games while putting up with the worst temperament Rodman year and having Vinny Del Negro and Avery Johnson as his backcourt. Then he took over the job himself. Then he turned over the offense to Mad Max and a 37 year old Dominique Wilkins while having nobody play any defense. And told both his superstar (David Robinson) and his other "All-Star" (Sean Elliott) to not bother coming back that season to play despite getting healthy and cleared. Arguably all at the slim chance to get Duncan*.

Which of course, worked out perfectly for almost two decades.

 :bow Pop :bow2

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*Since the second, third and fourth best things in the Draft turned out to be: the 180lb high schooler nobody had heard of two years earlier, the guy who went 3rd but the entire league seemingly gave up on for half a decade, and the guy from Community College who was barely in the league until Pop molded him into his insane bomber for the 2003 title run.

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Van Horn might have worked out decently enough next to the Admiral to get them a title. He did average 19/8 per game from 1998-2001. I have to assume he would have played better D on the Spurs or at least not hurt them. The 2002 Nets led the league in D despite him playing almost 2500 minutes.

Funny enough, four of the top five WS and B-R's VORP players from the Draft all played for the Spurs at one point: Duncan, McGrady, Antonio Daniels and Derek Anderson in WS. Stephen Jackson is 8th in WS but 4th in VORP. Billups the exception in both.

Actually, Daniels and Anderson were both starting for the Spurs in 2000-01. Pop probably got more use out of that draft than Rick Pitino did and Pitino had two top six picks.
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: agrajag on May 28, 2018, 09:05:12 PM
Those Rockets fans are turnt up!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: agrajag on May 28, 2018, 09:11:12 PM
Lol Thompson with 3 fouls already
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2018, 09:11:41 PM
Klay three fouls. big.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: team filler on May 28, 2018, 09:18:56 PM
refs trying to even things up with cp3 out  :trash
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2018, 09:20:53 PM
Houston is gonna shot 50 threes this game. Calling it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: agrajag on May 28, 2018, 09:20:59 PM
Both team with Eastern conference 3 point shooting in the first
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2018, 09:31:54 PM
Why is Ryan Anderson out there

 ???
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: agrajag on May 28, 2018, 09:33:44 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2018, 09:31:54 PM
Why is Ryan Anderson out there

 ???

Cause Capella was missing all his free throws
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Let's Cyber on May 28, 2018, 09:34:57 PM
Leading after 1 qrt. Rockets getting our hopes up again.

 :goty2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2018, 09:38:16 PM
Quote from: agrajag on May 28, 2018, 09:33:44 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2018, 09:31:54 PM
Why is Ryan Anderson out there

 ???

Cause Capella was missing all his free throws

That's an issue but Anderson is a defensive nightmare. Warriors will target him every play.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: agrajag on May 28, 2018, 09:39:58 PM
Joe Johnson with that veteran savvy
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: benjipwns on May 28, 2018, 09:40:07 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2018, 09:20:53 PM
Houston is gonna shot 50 threes this game. Calling it.
no longer impressive, now i need a team to chase 75 attempts (that was the fewest three point attempts in a season by a team*, Atlanta took 75 in 1979-80, the first NBA year with the line...they made 13)

*technically it was the San Diego Sails in the 1975-76 ABA season, they only took 31 (made 12) but they folded after 11 games (next are the Utah Stars who folded after 16 games the same season...20/63)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2018, 09:41:08 PM
Rockets need to go at klay hard to get that 4th foul or no defense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: agrajag on May 28, 2018, 09:42:05 PM
 :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Nola on May 28, 2018, 09:44:03 PM
Quote from: Let's Cyber on May 28, 2018, 09:34:57 PM
Leading after 1 qrt. Rockets getting our hopes up again.

 :goty2

Yeah unless the Rockets go up by thirty I’m still convinced this is nothing but the hype building prelude to another Warriors 3rd quarter killing spree.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: benjipwns on May 28, 2018, 09:44:10 PM
lol the Rockets only made 12 or fewer threes 17 times this season...how do i go back in time and show that Hawks team footage of this Rockets team, ideally the game against Dallas in January where they went 21/51 from three and the Mavs went 15/35 from three

edit: pace of that game: 92.5
1979-80 ATL pace: 98.9 (lg avg: 103.1)

edit2: oh god, even better, Hubie Brown is that Hawks teams coach, i just need 1980 Hubie Brown, not the entire team
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: benjipwns on May 28, 2018, 09:49:04 PM
in fact, i just want a permanent 1980 Hubie Brown to have commentate games like one of NBATV's foreign language channels

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"COUSINS! WHY ARE YOU DRIBBLING THE BALL, GIVE IT TO THE GUARDS, GO STAND UNDER THE BASKET TO REBOUND, NO! NOT OUT AT THE LINE, BY THE BASKET"
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2018, 09:53:20 PM
rockets frustrating me by not putting klay in pick and roll
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2018, 10:05:10 PM
Good half. Now comes the Warriors 3rd quarter blitz

 :jawalrus
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: agrajag on May 28, 2018, 10:05:13 PM
Eric Gordon is literally a Rocket
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Let's Cyber on May 28, 2018, 10:06:26 PM
https://twitter.com/NBAonTNT/status/1001282597408784384

 :checkit
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Nola on May 28, 2018, 10:21:30 PM
If I'm the Warriors I feel pretty good going into the second half only down by 11 after such a bad half, considering they tend to win the 3rd quarter by a good margin most games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: agrajag on May 28, 2018, 10:23:39 PM
#4
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: agrajag on May 28, 2018, 10:23:58 PM
That point should have counted.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Nola on May 28, 2018, 10:24:43 PM
I hate Harden's style of play but Foster is straight fucking this dude over right now lol

Harden has had 10 points taken right away from him on obvious fouls.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: agrajag on May 28, 2018, 10:25:44 PM
Say what you want about Harden, but when he tries to draw a foul on the 3 he actually tries to make it, unlike LeBron a lot of times
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Nola on May 28, 2018, 10:27:00 PM
Quote from: Exodust on May 28, 2018, 10:26:19 PM
Is that like three fouls for three uncounted now?
Yep.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2018, 10:27:45 PM
Harden is 7 of 19. 2 of 10 from 3.

He can't continue at that rate if the Rockets want to win.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Nola on May 28, 2018, 10:31:30 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2018, 10:27:45 PM
Harden is 7 of 19. 2 of 10 from 3.

He can't continue at that rate if the Rockets want to win.

Though to be fair he should be 8 of 17 and 3 of 8 from three with one four point play and two 3 point trips to the line.

....Though at the same time this has always been the knock on Harden's game(including mine for years). When refs start swallowing whistles, the foul hunting turns his play style from league breaking to team killing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2018, 10:36:10 PM
Rockets are in trouble. They can't score.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Nola on May 28, 2018, 10:38:28 PM
Ariza has been trash.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: agrajag on May 28, 2018, 10:39:14 PM
Missing CP3 badly
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2018, 10:40:17 PM
Harden is going to have to drive and either get fouled or hit shots. Just the 3's ain't gonna cut it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: agrajag on May 28, 2018, 10:41:54 PM
Looks like the swarming defense of the first half took a lot of energy out Houston
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Nola on May 28, 2018, 10:43:48 PM
Quote from: Exodust on May 28, 2018, 10:38:53 PM
Quote from: Nola on May 28, 2018, 10:38:28 PM
Ariza has been trash.

What else is new?

True.

But it also wasn't too long ago that Ariza had that Rondo reputation for being able to turn it on in the playoffs and in big games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2018, 10:44:01 PM
You can not play Ryan Anderson. Get him out!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: agrajag on May 28, 2018, 10:44:21 PM
Fuck Steph
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2018, 10:44:40 PM
It's over!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on May 28, 2018, 10:45:11 PM
rockets look ice cold. these threes... yuck. oh well
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: team filler on May 28, 2018, 10:46:18 PM
 :smug
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2018, 10:47:22 PM
Quote from: Exodust on May 28, 2018, 10:45:15 PM
Yeah guys, keeping chucking threes against a team with curry and klay on it. SMH.

The reality is this is how they are built though purposely. It's the only thing they can do outside of Harden iso drive.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: agrajag on May 28, 2018, 10:48:25 PM
Houston needs stops, now Curry and Durant are both feeling their shot
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2018, 10:50:33 PM
15 point Rocket 3rd Quarter. Brutal. Harden is their only hope and he has not had a good shooting game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: agrajag on May 28, 2018, 10:52:00 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2018, 10:50:33 PM
15 point Rocket 3rd Quarter. Brutal. Harden is their only hope and he has not had a good shooting game.

Fun fact the the 3rd quarter has an almost exact scoreline in game 6 and 7, give or take a point
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Nola on May 28, 2018, 10:52:43 PM
Yeah +18 point differential in the third for the Warriors....I'm starting to think at this rate even my tongue in cheek exaggerated need for a 30 point cushion wouldn't have been enough.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: agrajag on May 28, 2018, 10:54:06 PM
Fucking CP3, why'd he have to get injured
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: agrajag on May 28, 2018, 10:55:52 PM
Lol Rockets should've practiced their 3s more
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 28, 2018, 10:59:02 PM
Oh yay, gonna be another Cavs-Warriors finals
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: agrajag on May 28, 2018, 11:03:02 PM
Lol it's over
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: benjipwns on May 28, 2018, 11:12:35 PM
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The Warriors have outscored the Rockets by 68 points in the third quarter this series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: benjipwns on May 28, 2018, 11:14:04 PM
put Nene in for Ariza, it'll confuse em for at least two possessions!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Nola on May 28, 2018, 11:16:36 PM
Quote from: Exodust on May 28, 2018, 11:08:44 PM
Cancelling my sling subscription after this, don't think I want to follow yet another Warriors/Cavs finals series.
Yeah I was ultimately hoping the Rockets pulled it off only because I think the Finals would of actually been interesting this year, Cavs or Celtics.

Warriors/Cavs is such a boring match up because the Cavs just do not match up well against them. Lebron will get a token game or two through sheer will but the Warriors are going to shred that Cavs team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2018, 11:17:41 PM
Unfortunate that Paul got hurt. Not saying it was a rockets win guaranteed with him but it at least would have been more of a closely contested contest.


Good series. Rockets tried really hard. Couple of things I didn't like in that final game.

Playing Ryan Anderson. Bad Bad Bad.
Harden not recognizing that his shot wasn't working and not driving enough. He does this alot in big games. His most fatal flaw imo.
Not abusing Klay by dragging him over for the pick and roll in the 2nd quarter more.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: benjipwns on May 28, 2018, 11:22:33 PM
Rockets need to invoke the special rule, they can't end the game until Ariza proves he can make a three

also, a foot on the line long two will count
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Let's Cyber on May 28, 2018, 11:26:34 PM
LeBron was able to will a group of scrubs to 2 wins over the Dubs in 2015 but that was before Durant.  Will probably be a sweep now.

 :boring
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: benjipwns on May 28, 2018, 11:28:38 PM
had they known one position wasn't going to score anyway, they could have given Ariza some extra rest and played Mbah a Moute a few minutes
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: benjipwns on May 28, 2018, 11:31:59 PM
got some bad news guys, little known clause in the last CBA when they changed from the 2-3-2 format they actually made the Finals a best four series of seven series, even if the Warriors take this they're only up 3-1 so we still have to do Cavs/Warriors next year again at minimum
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: benjipwns on May 28, 2018, 11:34:55 PM
plus who doesn't want to see another season where it seems like the Cavs are finally done with, all their offseason moves look like complete disasters, they make a big change at midseason and it seems not to work and then suddenly LeBron and four similarly dressed dudes proceed to dismantle any East team assembled in front of them
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Nola on May 28, 2018, 11:52:29 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 28, 2018, 09:20:53 PM
Houston is gonna shot 50 threes this game. Calling it.

WRONG

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Missed 37 of them
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 28, 2018, 11:52:34 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 28, 2018, 11:28:38 PM
had they known one position wasn't going to score anyway, they could have given Ariza some extra rest and played Mbah a Moute a few minutes
i know you’re kidding, but ariza played his ass off defensively all series that I get why you’d still want him in there; straight up the only guy Houston had who could’ve matched up on Durant and Durant still hit a couple asshole jumpers right in his shit. The pressure the rockets were applying was crazy effective at throwing the warriors outta their offensive rhythm and it damn near got them to the finals. They even had their bigs applying half court pressure on ball handlers in isolation, Durant was hesitant to drive on capela, opting to call for a screen to get harden on him. That also led to ridiculous situations where they put Anderson out on an island with curry and, shockingly, he got put in a blender.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Nola on May 28, 2018, 11:56:20 PM
That is a fair point, Ariza played his ass off defensively.

You just hope to at least do a little better than 0-12....And maybe if your shot isn't falling you don't take 9 threes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2018, 12:14:20 AM
Zach Lowe's article the other day had a clip of Ariza having to switch three Warriors in three seconds, winding up having to defend Curry on a corner three

lots of that in this series so that everyone else could stay on a shooter and Capela didn't have to put himself out of position

Durant so kills the Cavs because they can't really play both Love and Thompson unless Love is nailing everything, Jeff Green's probably not a good enough option in the long run, they need to figure out how to give Nance J.R. Smith's jumper over the next three days and then they'll have a shot, maybe, if LeBron can play every minute of every game, possibly
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2018, 12:15:55 AM
alternatively they could ask the league to investigate why the Jazz didn't send Rodney Hood's jumper with him in the trade (maybe they sent it to the Kings?)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: agrajag on May 29, 2018, 12:19:34 AM
Quote from: Jack Remington on May 29, 2018, 12:16:40 AM
Warriors in 4. Or 5. Whatever. As long as Stoney gets to feel no happiness, I’m good.

Jack Remington
In a world where you can be anything: be kind.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: naff on May 29, 2018, 12:21:32 AM
woah jack. woah buddy.

:umad
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2018, 12:23:28 AM
Quote from: agrajag on May 29, 2018, 12:19:34 AM
Jack Remington
In a world where you can be anything: be kind.
Offer not valid to: Bernie Sanders supporters, Republicans or LeBron fans.

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Nola on May 29, 2018, 12:26:01 AM
I still don't get this Jack/Stony plot line.

Did Stony vote for Bernie or something?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: agrajag on May 29, 2018, 12:29:28 AM
Stony had sex with Jack's wife

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: curly on May 29, 2018, 12:32:37 AM
Quote from: Nola on May 29, 2018, 12:26:01 AM
I still don't get this Jack/Stony plot line.

Did Stony vote for Bernie or something?

Rabid Kobe stan doesn't want LeBron to have any success
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: curly on May 29, 2018, 12:36:58 AM
If Kobe never gets traded from Charlotte he'd be remembered as a slightly better Paul Pierce
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2018, 12:49:58 AM
I've recently thought a kinda fun conterfactual is what if the Lakers don't trade Marc Gasol for Pau, but wait for him to come over a few months later.

The main thing is Kobe probably doesn't win that MVP nor do they go to the Finals in 2008. (So Kobe has one less terrible Finals performance.) They were 24-11 with Bynum, 11-9 with neither, 22-5 with Pau.

But they probably also never chase after Dwight? (Or deal Marc Gasol sooner than they did Bynum since Jim Buss loved Bynum.)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Mandark on May 29, 2018, 12:54:16 AM
Quote from: Jack Remington on May 29, 2018, 12:51:00 AM
Who even mentioned Kobe?
Your heart.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2018, 01:05:28 AM
The Chris Paul to Lakers trade being allowed means the Rockets probably never get James Harden? (They would have sent Kevin Martin for Pau instead.)

Which probably means the Rockets never get Chris Paul and Eric Gordon who were the main opposite parts of the league allowed trade. :teehee

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2018, 01:23:24 AM
it was kinda funny how much harder he suddenly played when he got back to LA with the Clippers (they even started him in the playoffs after Blake got hurt)

though the Lakers seemed to hold onto the rights to his offensive game

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2018, 01:41:14 AM
the league owned the Hornets at the time, they were technically rescinding the trade as the owner of the Hornets, not as the NBA, but Owner of the Hornets David Stern didn't do that until after Commissioner of the NBA David Stern already approved the trade by Owner of the Hornets David Stern

so "basketball reasons"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2018, 01:52:21 AM
also when you talk NBA history remember that the Charlotte Hornets never moved to New Orleans, they just took a few years off before renaming themselves the Bobcats and restarting under new ownership while paying an expansion fee, doing an expansion draft and agreeing to expansion restrictions, while the old owners started an expansion team that was named the Hornets in New Orleans that didn't have to do any of that and automatically got all the former Charlotte players

it's like the Cleveland Browns and the expansion franchise Baltimore Ravens situation in the NFL

and also the Seattle SuperSonics and the Oklahoma City Thunder are two separate franchises that both have the same history prior to 2008, only the Sonics are currently dormant but when they resume will share that history with the Thunder who have existed since 1967 but didn't start playing until 2008

sports league's silly technicalities :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Mandark on May 29, 2018, 02:03:26 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 29, 2018, 01:52:21 AM
it's like the Cleveland Browns and the expansion franchise Baltimore Ravens situation in the NFL

and also the Seattle SuperSonics and the Oklahoma City Thunder are two separate franchises that both have the same history prior to 2008, only the Sonics are currently dormant but when they resume will share that history with the Thunder who have existed since 1967 but didn't start playing until 2008

sports league's silly technicalities :lawd

That arrangement is more intuitive and less a "silly technicality" than having team records follow a franchise as it moves, unless we're fetishizing private property to such a point that a chain of title becomes the sole defining... oh wait, now I get it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2018, 02:03:48 AM
as i'm jabbering about the Sonics...

in NBA 2K18's MyGM (franchise) mode, they added a silly plotline to it this year where the team gets suddenly bought by new owners (your former owner goes bankrupt investing in some absurd tech device or Facebook clone or something) who secretly want to move the team to Seattle and restart the Sonics, I was playing with the post-Blake Clippers (for basketball reasons) and I realized it's too perfect of a secret plotline for former Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer who attempted to save the Sonics from leaving Seattle years ago and then later tried to move the Kings to become the Sonics before buying the Clips in that rush deal to get rid of Sterling

also, unlike the real Clippers I fired Doc Rivers right away, but not until after I traded his son for a bunch of draft picks just to get rid of him and his contract, then I fired Doc to hire fake coach with all A ratings :success
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: team filler on May 29, 2018, 02:27:32 AM
https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1001286602767962116
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2018, 02:28:23 AM
Quote from: Mandark on May 29, 2018, 02:03:26 AM
That arrangement is more intuitive and less a "silly technicality" than having team records follow a franchise as it moves, unless we're fetishizing private property to such a point that a chain of title becomes the sole defining... oh wait, now I get it.
The Browns and Ravens one maybe is because it was constructed as a clean break, though the NFL doesn't seem interested in doing it in any other situation like the Rams and specifically tried to use it against the Raiders and Chargers IIRC, but neither of the NBA ones are clean breaks. One's a backdated partial ownership change of the history/records tied to the land. And the other is a duplication of the history/records that will be in the hands of two potential franchises with one set that's tied to the land.

Before 2008, and especially before 2014, the NBA always went by the principle that the history/records moved with the franchise. That's how the Rochester Royals, Cincinnati Royals, Kansas City-Omaha Kings, Kansas City Kings and Sacramento Kings are all one franchise with one history and set of records. The Chicago Zeyphyrs, Baltimore Bullets, Capitol Bullets, Washington Bullets and Washington Wizards are one team. The Syracuse Nats and Philadelphia 76ers are one team. So are the Philadelphia Warriors and Golden State Warriors. And so on.

The Hornets history went with them to New Orleans, until new ownership renamed the team to the Pelicans, then a year later the league swapped the Bobcats expansion status to the New Orleans Hornets and backdated it two years, and gave the Charlotte Hornets history up until they moved to the Charlotte Bobcats team which was declared to have been on hiatus for two years. One franchise (the Hornets/Pelicans) held sole title until the league swapped part of the history/records with a franchise that didn't actually exist for another two years. Ten years after both franchises had been operating under the prior status for the whole ten years.

If a Sonics expansion team started next season, there'd be two NBA franchises with the same history and records prior to 2008 because the Thunder/Seattle agreement doesn't allow them to be split. The Sonics just took a nap for 10+ years, while the Thunder didn't play any games for their first 40 years. Both the Thunder franchise and the "Seattle" rights holders (the City or somebody, maybe whoever owns KeyArena) have ownership to the history/records. The franchise moved to Oklahoma City and took all the players, history and records, while also leaving behind the history and records for a future team to resume part ownership of.

I actually agree with your argument more than you may suspect, but in the NBA's case it's certainly become far more a silly set of technicalities more than any kind of principle in either direction. The history/records aren't tied to either the land or the franchise. (Nor are they at this point seemingly even tied to a specific franchise at a specific location during a specific period in time. Or even a single set of these.)

Personally, I would begin my NBA reign of terror by assigning the Lakers' Minnesota history to the Timberwolves, and then assigning the Lakers entire LA history to the Clippers franchise, the Celtics history post-1978 to the Lakers franchise (a 1978 expansion team) and the Clippers history to the Celtics franchise. And the Buffalo Braves were simply a team that existed from 1970-1978 before going defunct.

:patel
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2018, 02:49:28 AM
shut up nerd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: curly on May 29, 2018, 05:40:02 AM
Quote from: Jack Remington on May 29, 2018, 03:35:57 AM
Quote from: curly on May 29, 2018, 12:32:37 AM
Quote from: Nola on May 29, 2018, 12:26:01 AM
I still don't get this Jack/Stony plot line.

Did Stony vote for Bernie or something?

Rabid Kobe stan doesn't want LeBron to have any success

I have no problem with LeBron having success. I just wish Stoney Mason were incapable of deriving any joy from it.

(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/018/847/e4a829e2-502a-42d4-898f-f3169442026b-bestSizeAvailable.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 7)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 29, 2018, 06:16:35 AM
Quote from: Nola on May 29, 2018, 12:26:01 AM
I still don't get this Jack/Stony plot line.

Did Stony vote for Bernie or something?

I basically mindfucked him so hard I have him on 24/7 triggered mode. I like it. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 29, 2018, 06:33:49 AM
God I hope LeBron signs with the Lakers this offseason. THE SALT.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2018, 06:41:45 AM
and just how is he supposed to keep his finals streak alive playing in the same conference as the warriors?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 29, 2018, 07:16:51 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 29, 2018, 06:41:45 AM
and just how is he supposed to keep his finals streak alive playing in the same conference as the warriors?

If Kyrie and Hayward are healthy next season he ain't getting past the Celtics so it's probably a moot point anyway.

LeBron is kind of a conundrum as he's obviously the best player on the planet but having him on your team warps it around him to the extent that what is the team identity? Would surrounding him with just generic good players result in a better team? Are the rest of the current Cavs that shitty? (yes) Wherever he ends up it needs to be somewhere where he can't also be shadow GM and shell out shitty contracts to questionable "talents" like Tristan and JR.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: agrajag on May 29, 2018, 10:26:43 AM
They lived and died by the shitty 3 pointer
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Kara on May 29, 2018, 10:51:10 AM
Quote from: Stro on May 29, 2018, 10:25:15 AM
Rockets deserved to lose that game when they literally would not shoot anything but contested, shitty threes 10 seconds into the clock despite having tons of open mid range and even open lanes for dunks and lay ups for 15 fucking minutes. In fact, they probably still could have won that game if they had stayed in front of the arc and quietly added 2 points every other possession. But no, absolute trash fuckball, no patience, constant and consistent bad shots because YA GOTTA SHOOT THE 3 BALL.

Fuck the Rockets.

Fuck the Warriors.

Fuck the Celtics.

Fuck the Cavs.

Fuck the NBA.

Fuck basketball.

Fuck America.

Fuck you.

America stands for freedom
But if you think you're free
Try watching playoff basketball
Without a brick wall made of threes

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 29, 2018, 10:53:35 AM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on May 29, 2018, 07:16:51 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 29, 2018, 06:41:45 AM
and just how is he supposed to keep his finals streak alive playing in the same conference as the warriors?

If Kyrie and Hayward are healthy next season he ain't getting past the Celtics so it's probably a moot point anyway.

LeBron is kind of a conundrum as he's obviously the best player on the planet but having him on your team warps it around him to the extent that what is the team identity? Would surrounding him with just generic good players result in a better team? Are the rest of the current Cavs that shitty? (yes) Wherever he ends up it needs to be somewhere where he can't also be shadow GM and shell out shitty contracts to questionable "talents" like Tristan and JR.

I kind of want to see Lebron go to Houston and create their own version of the Warriors.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: agrajag on May 29, 2018, 10:56:49 AM
I don't think it would work the same way though. Curry and Clay Thompson can just catch and shoot 3's all day. LeBron and Harden are both ball dominant players, so them having to share minutes wouldn't work out as well, and you'd probably just see Harden's numbers drop like Wade's when LeBron played in Miami.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: El Babua on May 29, 2018, 09:37:45 PM
Offseason fuckery already in full swing

https://www.theringer.com/platform/amp/nba/2018/5/29/17406750/bryan-colangelo-philadelphia-76ers-twitter-joel-embiid-anonymous-markelle-fultz#click=https://t.co/sUn6m3nkBG
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2018, 10:20:55 PM
Alright, I'm finally over Sam Hinkie getting kneecapped. This makes it all worth it. This is the culmination of The Process:
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Eric jr bristled at the perception that Hinkie deserved credit for turning around the franchise. “BC has done nothing but clean up hinkie’s mess,” the account wrote in January 2017.

When a Sixers fan with the handle @T_Buecher320 posted an image of Hinkie’s head superimposed on a dancing body, Enoughunkownsources was triggered. “I just hate that Gif,” they groused.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: benjipwns on May 30, 2018, 12:11:02 AM
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someone jokingly replied to one of the accounts with, “This you, Bryan?,” Enoughunkownsources claimed to know Colangelo. “No - but thanks for the compliment!” they answered. “He is too classy to even engage. Worked with him: he is a class act.”
whew, that was close
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Nola on May 30, 2018, 12:25:01 AM
This is kind of glorious

https://twitter.com/JoelEmbiid/status/1001655821913284610
https://twitter.com/fantasource/status/1001648950317846528
https://twitter.com/JoelEmbiid/status/1001659466478219264

(https://i.imgur.com/h4fG0Y7.jpg?1)

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https://twitter.com/Cole_Kev/status/1001645701577703424
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Nola on May 30, 2018, 12:51:47 AM
Also, talk about about failing your way up, exhibit, the Pelicans Dell Demps:

(https://i.imgur.com/F3Rg9hX.jpg?1)

One passed physical and Demps would of handed over the first rounder that got Cousins for fucking Jahlil Okafor(maybe Moore too but that isn't clear if he is affirming that entire guess or just Jah).

I knew there were rumors, but my god, Okafor being unable to pass a physical basically saved the Pelicans from getting onto the path of CP3 2.0.

Just a refresher, but basically Demps still has a job because he incorrectly took Buddy Hield over Jamal Murray. Tried but failed to trade away his next years first rounder for an awful fitting Jahlil Okafor, and only because of both those failures did he fall into success by then lucking into having the worst organization in the league over-value his draft pick even more, the only organization to possibly fail even harder to build around their superstar big man.  When you peel away how they got here, the Pelicans suddenly finding success is really such unbelievable luck despite all attempts to ruin it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Mandark on May 30, 2018, 01:02:20 AM
This is the greatest thing to happen since the DeAndre Jordan hostage situation.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Nola on May 30, 2018, 01:13:14 AM
1.) Basketball Reasons
2.) Deandre Jordan hostage situation
3.) Colangelo burner accounts

The NBA fuckery :rejoice >>>> NFL fuckery

....Though at the rate this is going, it might move up the ladder before the week is out. Looks like there is a treasure trove in those accounts(Even some Muslim ban staning) and the ongoing fallout has epic potential.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: benjipwns on May 30, 2018, 01:16:34 AM
can you imagine the embarrassment for the Sixers if the league hadn't strongly suggested they hire him
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Mandark on May 30, 2018, 01:27:01 AM
The whole reason for hiring him was that Hinkie wasn't enough of a people person, and was potentially damaging their relationships!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Nola on May 30, 2018, 01:35:17 AM
Also

https://twitter.com/PabloTorre/status/1001660820575739905

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: benjipwns on May 30, 2018, 01:51:55 AM
the real problem here is that someone exposed this, violating Bryan Colangelo's privacy

and it's quite suspicious that they would do this right before another exciting NBA Finals on ESPN on ABC

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Nola on May 30, 2018, 05:11:21 PM
Yeah the Hinkie pariahing and ultimately firing was a low point of the NBA for me.

If the system is broken, fix the system, don’t cry about the guy who is doing the rational thing and exploiting it make their team better.

Because guess what, it worked, and if you are a non destination market looking to rebuild, it is the best way to go about it. I’m actually a bit worried about the fixes that have been floated because making it harder to build through the draft could just mean many franchises never have the ability to climb out of the gutter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2018, 08:55:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1fcs8TLmiI
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: agrajag on May 31, 2018, 12:45:18 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/JJwsNSb.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 31, 2018, 11:26:43 AM
If you create a fake twitter account, you probably shouldn't follow your son's former high school basketball coach or accounts related to your son's current college team. 
:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 31, 2018, 03:41:19 PM
Not a damn thing has changed since I last posted (unless you count the grey in my beard).  :-\

How are you, Wrath? Where are you?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 31, 2018, 04:26:49 PM
I can’t talk, having lived in Manitoba.
 
What are you doing in Ohio?
 
To be slightly on topic, though extremely late to the party, I can’t believe that I watched the Mavs of the early 2000s, with Nash, Finley, Nowitzki, etc., and never though “hey, this team should shoot more thees!” It’s not an oversight like investing billions in  collateralized debt obligations from a pool of subprime mortgages, but it still makes me feel very stupid.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: benjipwns on May 31, 2018, 08:19:56 PM
Quote
Feeling better and healthier nearly two months after taking a medical leave of absence, Cleveland Cavaliers coach Tyronn Lue said he has been getting treatment for anxiety.

Lue had been having chest pains and occasionally coughing up blood when he left the team in March. He was unable to coach the second half in several games before stepping away to deal with the issue. A diet change and medication have helped him.

"I'm glad it wasn't anything serious," Lue told ESPN's Rachel Nichols in an exclusive interview.
yeah...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: team filler on May 31, 2018, 08:33:37 PM
https://twitter.com/joe_manniello/status/1002330558775681025
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Akala on May 31, 2018, 09:27:51 PM
Klay noooooo  :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Nola on May 31, 2018, 09:32:32 PM
Looks like Klay is going to alright based on what they just said, basically a bruise.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Akala on May 31, 2018, 09:39:58 PM
I mean I am actually cool with whatever narrative wins but you hate to see that.

Glad he’s prob OK.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Mandark on May 31, 2018, 10:09:39 PM
And now we wait to see if the Golden State third quarter avalanche happens this game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Akala on May 31, 2018, 10:28:52 PM
Starting off aight  :gladbrono
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: agrajag on May 31, 2018, 10:38:03 PM
I don't know bros, I could be completely wrong, but the Cavs don't look all deer in the headlights against GS like Rockets did. They may have been game planning for this moment all season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Let's Cyber on May 31, 2018, 10:45:54 PM
Regardless of the result, this has been an entertaining game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 31, 2018, 10:46:43 PM
My skepticism is that this is the peak of the Cavs performance for this series
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: agrajag on May 31, 2018, 10:47:53 PM
I think Cavs have their home games on lock
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: agrajag on May 31, 2018, 10:51:40 PM
Clarkson sux
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Mandark on May 31, 2018, 10:56:05 PM
https://twitter.com/rodger_sherman/status/1002368328877436929
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 31, 2018, 11:00:46 PM
Kyle Korver is good at basketball

Sometimes
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 31, 2018, 11:09:49 PM
That’s game
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 31, 2018, 11:16:02 PM
Man, the Cavs 3point percentage is garbage and yet their still in this
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 31, 2018, 11:18:34 PM
46 points good god
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Let's Cyber on May 31, 2018, 11:28:19 PM
JR what are you doing
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: agrajag on May 31, 2018, 11:29:46 PM
Smh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 31, 2018, 11:30:03 PM
Lebron scoring 50 and still won’t fucking win
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: benjipwns on May 31, 2018, 11:31:36 PM
that concussion must have made Love think he's back on the Wolves or something, even his defense has been pretty good considering what he's having to guard
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: benjipwns on May 31, 2018, 11:33:47 PM
also dat larry nance blitz that the warriors didn't see coming was p. cool, tyronn lue reads the bore confirmed
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Nola on May 31, 2018, 11:34:53 PM
JR Smith should have to walk home...to fucking Cleveland.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: agrajag on May 31, 2018, 11:35:09 PM
Damn how the fuck is Nance playing professional basketball with Crohn's disease.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 31, 2018, 11:35:44 PM
JR needs banished
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: agrajag on May 31, 2018, 11:36:13 PM
Lol Smith thought they were ahead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: benjipwns on May 31, 2018, 11:36:33 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 30, 2018, 01:51:55 AM
the real problem here is that someone exposed this, violating Bryan Colangelo's privacy

and it's quite suspicious that they would do this right before another exciting NBA Finals on ESPN on ABC

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NBA commissioner Adam Silver said Thursday he has been in touch with the Philadelphia 76ers regarding the team's investigation of team executive Bryan Colangelo's social media activity.

"The notion here was let's find out what's going on," Silver said. "You have to separate sort of the chatter and sort of what either fans or, frankly, the media are saying from the facts. And the first thing we have to do here is determine what the actual facts are in this circumstance."

...

Silver said he didn't have any further information on the matter but wasn't pleased it was taking some attention away from the start of the NBA Finals.

"From the league standpoint, here we are, Game 1 of the Finals, it's not necessarily something we want to be talking about," Silver said. "But it's the reality of this league."
:thinking
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: benjipwns on May 31, 2018, 11:37:30 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dek2YyeUEAE8K7p.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 31, 2018, 11:39:52 PM
JR basically fucked the entire series for the cavs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Let's Cyber on May 31, 2018, 11:44:28 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 31, 2018, 11:37:30 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dek2YyeUEAE8K7p.jpg)
:snoop :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Nola on May 31, 2018, 11:45:13 PM
God I am so tired of the Warriors nonsense.

Makes me actually want Lebron to go to Houston....Despite it literally meaning the ugliest, most annoying fuckball and fuckery the league has ever seen. But that is how much I am tired of seeing Draymond and these cocky shits.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Mandark on May 31, 2018, 11:45:55 PM
JR dribbling out the ball thinking he pulled a Havlicek while LeBron yells at him sums up a lot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Mandark on May 31, 2018, 11:46:54 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dek5Qz2U0AA_n7C.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: benjipwns on May 31, 2018, 11:47:50 PM
nuts when they get games like that out of Love, LeBron and Larry but it winds up not being enough and they still needed someone else (or at least Love to hit some of those threes)

still think they gotta try Rodney Hood at some point in case his shot comes back, this game without Igoudala was probably an ideal game to give him some of those Jeff Green, Clarkson and JR minutes to see what's up
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Brehvolution on May 31, 2018, 11:48:51 PM
How high do you have to be to think you're tied in game 1 of the finals with under 5 seconds left?  :snore

You had 1 job.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: team filler on May 31, 2018, 11:51:27 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 31, 2018, 11:33:47 PM
also dat larry nance blitz that the warriors didn't see coming was p. cool, tyronn lue reads the bore confirmed
he's our Qanon
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: benjipwns on May 31, 2018, 11:53:48 PM
going to be interesting to see the first "DNP - BEATEN TO DEATH BY LEBRON IN THE LOCKER ROOM"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Let's Cyber on May 31, 2018, 11:59:24 PM
Rodney Hood has played like complete ass these playoffs and I'd still play him over Clarkson at this point.

EDIT: nevermind, benji beat me.
Quote from: benjipwns on May 31, 2018, 11:47:50 PM
still think they gotta try Rodney Hood at some point in case his shot comes back
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: benjipwns on June 01, 2018, 12:00:12 AM
to be fair to JR, it was clear the Warriors had absolutely no plan on how to guard against that move, the Cavs just needed a way to exploit their confusion
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: curly on June 01, 2018, 12:02:01 AM
so much nba fuckery in the last couple days
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Mandark on June 01, 2018, 12:02:47 AM
Everyone who said they wanted Rockets/Celtics

:bolo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Mandark on June 01, 2018, 12:08:02 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dek9H3wU8AE1PEt.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 01, 2018, 12:13:24 AM
You want the pipe?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Akala on June 01, 2018, 12:15:56 AM
Like holy shit 😂
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: benjipwns on June 01, 2018, 12:24:32 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dek8nUUVAAA28TJ.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: benjipwns on June 01, 2018, 12:27:13 AM
Quote
As a Philadelphia 76ers internal probe into anonymous Twitter accounts has become increasingly focused on the wife of President of Basketball Operations Bryan Colangelo, franchise ownership is seriously considering Colangelo's dismissal, league sources told ESPN.
the nba is fannnntastic!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: benjipwns on June 01, 2018, 12:34:02 AM
https://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN/status/1002407162620960768
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Mandark on June 01, 2018, 12:38:02 AM
https://twitter.com/World_Wide_Wob/status/1002393596413165569
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: team filler on June 01, 2018, 12:43:34 AM
I was watching the stream from espn and it died right at the end of the 4th quarter. up until then it was working great  :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 01, 2018, 02:58:15 AM
While the JR Smith situation is regrettable ultimately it's on Lebron because he was the one that told the Cavs to resign (at a bloated rate for JR's actual worth, natch) Smith. Let your star player be your GM, brehs.
 :umad
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: bluemax on June 01, 2018, 03:04:01 AM
https://twitter.com/TheAthleticSF/status/1002411743799230464
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: team filler on June 01, 2018, 03:11:56 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Let's Cyber on June 01, 2018, 04:14:18 AM
Quote from: Mandark on May 31, 2018, 11:46:54 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dek5Qz2U0AA_n7C.jpg)
https://twitter.com/charliekacz/status/1002415051402248192
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 01, 2018, 05:19:54 AM
Good, way better than expected game. Unfortunate it went down that way but players occasionally make boneheaded plays. That's basketball. Especially for JR.  :-\

Lue should have also been ready and in position to call a timeout imo if need be. (or somebody else)

Herculean game by Lebron as expected.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 1: JR dun goof'd)
Post by: Nola on June 01, 2018, 09:09:15 AM
Yeah on further reflection and rewatching my dvr out of curiosity, Lue had one timeout and I don’t know why he also wasn’t immediately ready to call that?

4 seconds is plenty of time to set up a play and get a decent look.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 1: JR dun goof'd)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 01, 2018, 09:30:19 AM
It also would have been nice if George Hill had just hit his two free throws. I mean he is a 80% free throw shooter for his career.  :'(

But that's the bounce of the ball.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 1: JR dun goof'd)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 01, 2018, 11:19:19 AM
Everyone will focus on JR, but those refs were shit in the last 3-4 minutes. Played a much bigger part in the Cavs losing than his brain fart.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Game 1: JR dun goof'd)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 01, 2018, 09:38:38 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on June 01, 2018, 11:19:19 AM
Everyone will focus on JR, but those refs were shit in the last 3-4 minutes. Played a much bigger part in the Cavs losing than his brain fart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB8W74z7fI4&

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For what its worth I almost never personally ever bitch about calls. I tend to view it as a crutch. Sometimes you get calls. Sometimes you don't. I don't like conspiracy style discussion although of course individually you will have poorly officiated games.
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: team filler on June 03, 2018, 07:45:19 PM
michelle beadle  :noah
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: team filler on June 03, 2018, 08:59:20 PM
 :drudge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: agrajag on June 03, 2018, 09:49:23 PM
No third quarter blitz.

Refs are still working overtime to help GS.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: agrajag on June 03, 2018, 10:00:03 PM
Poor LeBron man. He makes these incredible passes to wide open teammates and they just can't shoot well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: team filler on June 03, 2018, 10:26:01 PM
 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: team filler on June 03, 2018, 11:08:43 PM
https://twitter.com/uygonlearn/status/1003468812304502784
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 04, 2018, 10:47:02 AM
That went more like how I expected Game 1 to go. Probably gonna end up like 4-1 I would say. Cavs may sneak one at home. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: benjipwns on June 06, 2018, 04:21:16 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23695581/zach-lowe-warriors-vs-cavaliers-game-2-2018-nba-finals
Quote from: Zach Lowe
For the Rockets, this was not an adjustment. It was a return to principles they drilled all season with an eye on the Warriors. They had developed habits, and those habits carried them within one win -- and who knows, maybe one hamstring pull -- of the NBA Finals.

The Cleveland Cavaliers have few habits, unless you count lazing through the regular season and fatuous melodrama. They are trying to develop habits on the fly against an opponent that demands something barely short of perfection -- an opponent against which "switch everything" is only step one of a feasible game plan.

Like a student cramming for finals after skipping class the entire semester, the Cavs cobbled a brand new blueprint just for these Finals.

...

The new plan meshed habits old and new. It amounted to playing two schemes at once. It was perhaps the best combination of ideas available on short notice. It was also entirely predictable that a team with such a weak defensive infrastructure would fail when suddenly confronted with multiple sets of rules. Information overload can paralyze even elite defenses.

Failure came, repeatedly, in the first quarter of Game 1. When Curry targeted Love, the Cavs collapsed in a haze of confusion: Are we switching? Wait, I thought we were trapping? Oh god, they scored already.

...

Houston had a basic rule for defending Curry, says Jeff Bzdelik, the architect of their switchy defense: When Capela switched onto Curry, no one was allowed to help from anywhere -- even if Curry slithered inside Capela off the bounce. Houston had confidence Capela could bother Curry from behind. They would live with Curry hitting contested layups because 3s would surely kill them.

...

"It's like you're in a boat with three holes in the bottom," Bzdelik says of defending Golden State, "and you only have two pegs to plug them. You just have to keep moving the pegs around."

The Rockets understood switching alone wouldn't be enough. They practiced how and when to help off Golden State's non-shooters, Bzdelik says. They had rules for specific situations -- baseline drives when the best shooter is in one particular corner, penetration down the middle, and more. Cleveland is improvising with lesser talent.
:ohhh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: benjipwns on June 06, 2018, 04:24:21 AM
Quote
Golden State set 40 ball screens for Curry in Game 2, their fourth-highest single-game total since Durant joined, per Second Spectrum data. Two of the three games above that one on the same list: Game 1 of these Finals, and the Game 5 clincher a year ago. Two more among the top-10 such games happened in the just-concluded conference finals against Houston.

The Warriors lean on Curry's pick-and-roll game when they feel threatened, and when they see Love.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: team filler on June 06, 2018, 08:12:09 PM
https://twitter.com/annkillion/status/1004504342588739585
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Akala on June 06, 2018, 09:21:24 PM
Choooo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: team filler on June 06, 2018, 09:31:34 PM
white boy rick  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: team filler on June 06, 2018, 11:40:05 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/bblLUDz.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 07, 2018, 01:21:21 AM
Thought the officiating was mostly good tonight :yeshrug
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Let's Cyber on June 07, 2018, 02:08:17 AM
RODNEY HOOD, RISE FROM YOUR GRAVE!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors versus Cavs. AGAIN)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 07, 2018, 12:04:20 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1004752956133126145?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%231004752956133126145
Title: Re: The NBA thread (You hear that Mr. Anderson? That is the sound of inevitability)
Post by: El Babua on June 08, 2018, 11:07:58 PM
I like how no one's posted anything during this ass whooping
Title: Re: The NBA thread (You hear that Mr. Anderson? That is the sound of inevitability)
Post by: Kara on June 08, 2018, 11:20:37 PM
Quote from: El Babua on June 08, 2018, 11:07:58 PM
I like how no one's posted anything during this ass whooping

Looking forward to being a fellow traveller with the "Bron is the GOAT" crowd when he has 2 Finals sweeps on his resume to undermine Jeffrey. :shaq
Title: Re: The NBA thread (You hear that Mr. Anderson? That is the sound of inevitability)
Post by: team filler on June 08, 2018, 11:36:22 PM
Quote from: El Babua on June 08, 2018, 11:07:58 PM
I like how no one's posted anything during this ass whooping
I wasn't at home or watching  8)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors Dynasty)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2018, 08:38:55 AM
As expected. Warriors too strong. Rest of the league don't have the manpower.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors Dynasty)
Post by: Huff on June 09, 2018, 11:05:17 AM
Didn’t even bother watching game 4. Appears I made the right call
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors Dynasty)
Post by: Nola on June 09, 2018, 11:35:31 AM
Yep and now Decision 2.0 gets to ramp up.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (You hear that Mr. Anderson? That is the sound of inevitability)
Post by: agrajag on June 09, 2018, 12:20:11 PM
Quote from: El Babua on June 08, 2018, 11:07:58 PM
I like how no one's posted anything during this ass whooping

I've been out of town for the past few days, only saw snippets of tje past two games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors Dynasty)
Post by: Let's Cyber on June 09, 2018, 12:57:27 PM
Quote from: Nola on June 09, 2018, 11:35:31 AM
Yep and now Decision 2.0 gets to ramp up.
My money is on L.A. with Paul George in tow.   8)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors Dynasty)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 09, 2018, 03:30:08 PM
I’m coming around to the idea that Lebron just stays in Cleveland.  They need to clean house though.  JR, Hill, clarkson and Thompson should be gone.  Possibly Love.  I would go after PG, Leonard, and Cousins.  Keep Korver and get Ariza and maybe Reddick.  It’s gonna be expensive as fuck but they should just do it
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors Dynasty)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2018, 04:11:10 PM
Quote from: TakingBackSunday on June 09, 2018, 03:30:08 PM
I’m coming around to the idea that Lebron just stays in Cleveland.  They need to clean house though.  JR, Hill, clarkson and Thompson should be gone.  Possibly Love.  I would go after PG, Leonard, and Cousins.  Keep Korver and get Ariza and maybe Reddick.  It’s gonna be expensive as fuck but they should just do it

It's really not super possible for him to stay in Cleveland and have that team overhauled into a "real" contender. They have too many contracts that are untradeable. Nobody is eager to take on contracts like Love, Thompson, etc. They are capped out so they can't sign free agents. And its not honestly a super desirable location for free agents anyway. I have no problem with Lebron staying and finishing out his career there but that team as constructed isn't going to get significantly better than they are currently.

It would take another team making significantly dumb trades with Cleveland for it to be feasible.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors Dynasty)
Post by: Mandark on June 09, 2018, 04:52:11 PM
JR, Hill, Thompson, Clarkson, and Korver all have two years left on their contracts for over $70 million a year. The NBA soft cap system pushes contenders to overpay their own guys, add in the Kyrie trade you get this roster hell.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors Dynasty)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 09, 2018, 06:07:47 PM
Yeah never mind bye Lebron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors Dynasty)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2018, 06:08:35 PM
I posted it before but the Kyrie trade was always the death knell trade. You can't trade a top 10/15 player and get literally nothing for him. Especially with the cavs as constructed.. They needed a #2 to at least make the whole thing remotely viable and Love is not a #2 option on a real contending team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors Dynasty)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 09, 2018, 09:12:34 PM
Quote from: Jack Remington on June 09, 2018, 08:30:45 PM
Yeah, how KD's dick taste, Stoney? Eat shit.

I can't wait until Lebron goes to the Lakers

I know he won't, but GOD can you imagine
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors Dynasty)
Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2018, 02:46:12 PM
https://twitter.com/stephenasmith/status/1006576289376030720
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors Dynasty)
Post by: team filler on June 12, 2018, 02:50:23 PM
lebron comes to the lakeshow, kobe comes out of retirement. lakers go undefeated and win another ring  :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors Dynasty)
Post by: Nola on June 12, 2018, 04:31:33 PM
"Accepting the challenge" of going to a young talent rich franchise with a ton of cap space and flexibility in one of the most coveted markets in the NBA for free-agents.

 :comeon

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors Dynasty)
Post by: Nola on June 12, 2018, 05:27:56 PM
https://twitter.com/andrewbogut/status/1006433196475469825

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors Dynasty)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 15, 2018, 04:39:01 PM
So Kawhi wants out and he wants to go to la but all the Lakers have to offer are Lonzo and Kuzma? Am I the only one who sees that this is ridiculous if you’re the spurs?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors Dynasty)
Post by: agrajag on June 15, 2018, 04:58:17 PM
Kawhi is going to Miami

 :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Warriors Dynasty)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 18, 2018, 08:44:08 AM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on June 15, 2018, 04:39:01 PM
So Kawhi wants out and he wants to go to la but all the Lakers have to offer are Lonzo and Kuzma? Am I the only one who sees that this is ridiculous if you’re the spurs?

I think its gonna take more than. Some picks coming back their way especially whoever does the deal.

I was out of town so I missed the whole Kawhi thing. I was very surprised. I knew what happened during the season was more than nothing like Spurs fans tried to make it out to be but I didn't realize it was this bad.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2018, 08:52:39 PM
Dwight got traded again, for the third time on this contract, to the Nets for Mozgov.

It's to cut down on Charlotte's potential luxury tax payments. Also apparently sets the Nets up for a massive amount of cap space in 2019 along with giving them three big expiring contracts to trade.

I like how last week Dwight was talking about how he regretted how he handled the SVG/forcing-a-trade situation, and now he's finally headed to the place he was trying to get traded to back then!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2018, 07:05:33 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j1C3dlwh7E
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2018, 07:41:53 AM
Quote
“The (Hornets) locker room did not like Dwight Howard,” @bwood_33 says on @SiriusXMNBA “Guys were just sick and tired of his act.”
bwood33 is Brendan Haywood
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: TEEEPO on June 21, 2018, 11:51:19 AM
:aah
draft night
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 21, 2018, 12:17:54 PM
Hopefully some fun trades happen.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 21, 2018, 01:57:41 PM
https://deadspin.com/nick-young-was-just-joshing-when-he-said-everybody-shou-1827001622
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2018, 02:04:43 PM
welp
Quote
Eight-time NBA All-Star Dwight Howard told ESPN Thursday that he wants a buyout of his $23.8 million expiring contract, and sources said that his new team, the Brooklyn Nets, is trying to make it work.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 21, 2018, 03:13:58 PM
Man, the drastic fall of Dwight Howard has been something to watch.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: TEEEPO on June 21, 2018, 07:00:52 PM
espn reporting porter is dropping like a rock, rightfully so.

don't fall to the wiz plz
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: TEEEPO on June 21, 2018, 07:08:15 PM
Quote
[Bielecki] Gortat says he's 99% sure he'll get traded soon. "The decision has been made by the front office." Says he's anticipating a move to the Western Conference within a couple of days.

 :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 21, 2018, 07:10:47 PM
I don't follow college so I never really have an opinion on these guys until I see them play a bit in the NBA.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: TEEEPO on June 21, 2018, 07:15:56 PM
same but it's hard not to get excited by the draft with so much fucking talent with youtube highlight reels and scouting reports
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 21, 2018, 07:17:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CgNtBTRAkg

Ringer Watch party for draft.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2018, 07:25:47 PM
i need a special nudemac report like when they bring in the random not-Fran guy to talk about some foreign second rounder:

(http://a3.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2018%2F0621%2Fr389741_1296x518_5-2.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: TEEEPO on June 21, 2018, 07:27:39 PM
trae young needs to be banished from the first round
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 21, 2018, 07:35:57 PM
Quote from: Exodust on June 21, 2018, 07:30:49 PM
Are the Lakers projected to get anyone good this year? That's all I want to know.

Picking so late, they will probably have to draft a project. That being said, Kuzma was a 27th pick.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 21, 2018, 07:52:24 PM
Interesting action there between Mavs and Hawks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2018, 08:00:51 PM
Doncic headed to the Mavs, playing on the same team as Dirk will make the stereotype-based analysis easier for the pundits, good move
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2018, 08:16:56 PM
on the Michael Porter Jr. scouting report:
Quote
Doesn't think the game at a high level.
:thinking
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 21, 2018, 08:17:46 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 21, 2018, 08:00:51 PM
Doncic headed to the Mavs, playing on the same team as Dirk will make the stereotype-based analysis easier for the pundits, good move

You know the Celtics were dying to try to move up and get their new Larry Bird.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2018, 08:18:25 PM
Quote
Struggles to beat opposing wings off the dribble.  Plays catch-and-hold basketball.
he's perfect, go ahead and take him Cavs Knicks
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2018, 08:21:21 PM
Quote
Do the Suns now have Shaq and Kobe 2.0?
never change espn
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: Mandark on June 21, 2018, 08:36:00 PM
There was meant to be a general agreement not to leak the picks this year, to preserve the surprise factor of the draft show. Shams tweeted out the first and second picks and, uh...

https://twitter.com/wojespn

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: TEEEPO on June 21, 2018, 08:42:14 PM
C'MON WILLIAMS, FALL TO US
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2018, 08:42:50 PM
https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/1009938286620610560
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2018, 08:45:40 PM
how did i secretly know Jordan was taking Miles Bridges :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: TEEEPO on June 21, 2018, 08:48:00 PM
don't do it ernie
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2018, 08:52:18 PM
Wizards gotta take Porter Jr. just so they can have two of them, i think you're allowed to combine them after enough leveling up for a stronger version
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 21, 2018, 09:00:41 PM
Draft over. Porter selected.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: TEEEPO on June 21, 2018, 09:01:26 PM
 :rejoice
JOHN WALL FINALLY HAS A BIG
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: TEEEPO on June 21, 2018, 09:03:07 PM
TROY BROWN?

FUCK THIS SHIT
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 21, 2018, 09:06:38 PM
Happy with Doncic going to the Mavs. The local talk for the past month has been that they'd probably have to settle for Mo Bamba.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: TEEEPO on June 21, 2018, 09:15:54 PM
:mindblown
zharie smith to the 76ers? fuck it, blow the wizards up

east is fucked
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2018, 09:18:40 PM
https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/1009965977625399296
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2018, 09:26:57 PM
woj was in hell there for almost 15 minutes waiting on the Spurs pick :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2018, 09:32:13 PM
Robert Williams might slip pretty far, lots of bigs really on the teams coming up
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 21, 2018, 09:33:04 PM
Suns might be pretty fun to watch next season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: TEEEPO on June 21, 2018, 09:35:54 PM
we can trade a future first + second and an expiring contract for williams if he keeps dropping

or we can just bundle oubre and either mahinmi/gortat for deandre jordan and hope to sign noel with the mle
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 21, 2018, 09:47:47 PM
Grayson Allen to Utah.

Nothing more predictable than that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Award Show June 25th)
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2018, 10:13:36 PM
sixers or celtics probably should take williams if only to prevent the warriors from doing so
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Award Show June 25th)
Post by: TEEEPO on June 21, 2018, 10:22:40 PM
FUCK ERNIE GRUNFELD
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Award Show June 25th)
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2018, 10:23:48 PM
this kawhi to cavs stuff isn't that hard guys jeez nba gms are so dum sometimes man: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybgv4gen
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Award Show June 25th)
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2018, 10:24:13 PM
boston taking williams
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Award Show June 25th)
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2018, 10:27:22 PM
don't say i never did anything for you Nola: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ya6tuyu9

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Quote
Hollinger's Analysis:

You have not affected the winning percentage of this team.
[close]
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Award Show June 25th)
Post by: TEEEPO on June 21, 2018, 10:31:56 PM
the most deflating part is the two best teams in the east picked the two players both fans and pundits wanted: williams (boston) and smith (76ers)

this is so reminiscent of the 2009 draft when we passed on curry, who was even excited at the prospect of playing in washington. guess who was our gm then?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Award Show June 25th)
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2018, 10:43:28 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgQw0YiXcAE-dYV.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Award Show June 25th)
Post by: TEEEPO on June 21, 2018, 10:45:50 PM
i much needed that
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Award Show June 25th)
Post by: TEEEPO on June 21, 2018, 11:17:46 PM
:idont
https://twitter.com/Faazzla/status/1009980373667901440
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Award Show June 25th)
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2018, 11:36:23 PM
The Pistons second round pick at #44 18 years ago... :american

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ol17K99MQw
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Award Show June 25th)
Post by: benjipwns on June 22, 2018, 12:05:22 AM
Quote
Here is a ranking of the best phrases and words used by Woj on draft night to avoid technically tipping picks.

16. "locked in on"
15. "focused on"
14. "prefers"
13. "targeting"
12. "cleared the way to choose"
11. "locked on"
10. "zeroed in on"
9. "determined"
8. "are on"
7. "fixated on"
6. "unlikely to resist"
5. "enamored with"
4. "no plans to pass on"
3. "tantalized"
2. "has a laser on"
1. "will select"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Award Show June 25th)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 22, 2018, 12:33:19 AM
you are such a fucken weirdo lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Award Show June 25th)
Post by: bluemax on June 22, 2018, 01:58:13 AM
Clippers now have a million guards. Weird draft for them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Award Show June 25th)
Post by: benjipwns on June 22, 2018, 03:08:13 AM
Clips have been a fun team I've kept an eye on since the Blake deal. They've got a similar forward situation too considering how little the team has been together. Need more Mo Harrell, and should get Willie Reed back, he was fun. Yet they can't really play their "best" forwards together even if healthy against a lot of teams.

The Clips guard situation is slightly misleading from a numbers standpoint because of their weird situations, Bradley has expired and I don't imagine they resign him, Beverley is coming off a season where he only played 11 games. Both Gilgeous-Alexander and Robinson are 6-5/6-6ish so they can play next to Lou Williams or Beverley or even Bradley if he did come back.

Though I guess Rivers is opting in because he'll get almost $13 million this year. Milos won't be back for a variety of reasons including some mutual ones from what I'm reading.

I actually kinda liked Tyrone Wallace, good defender plus 6-5, shame he can't shoot and is already 24. I imagine they dump Evans before his contract gets guaranteed...Thornwell's kinda a weird player but he's probably more valuable if he doesn't have to log so many minutes and is in spot duty for threes and dees, plus he's got one of those non-guaranteed deals too.

So until Doc starts trying to make Wesley Johnson a two guard yet again, they've really only got a five guard rotation with two rookies in it, and they're kinda all combo guards in style. Plus Thornwell who ideally seems like he somehow needs to become a SF legitimately. Maybe Boban could lend him a couple inches and 10-15lbs. In any case it seems easier to juggle than that front court situation, especially if DeAndre bolts. Maybe they should trade Danilo for Parsons and restage the hostage situation in reverse.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Award Show June 25th)
Post by: benjipwns on June 22, 2018, 08:19:14 AM
https://twitter.com/tobias31/statuses/1009993862163529728
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 22, 2018, 09:26:03 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 21, 2018, 09:47:47 PM
Grayson Allen to Utah.

Nothing more predictable than that.

Can't wait to see him get laid out after trying to trip someone.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Award Show June 25th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 22, 2018, 01:46:55 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23873357/2018-nba-draft-atlanta-hawks-gm-did-not-trade-due-projected-picks

All the leaks make the draft less fun.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Draft June 21st)
Post by: Flannel Boy on June 22, 2018, 02:20:32 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 21, 2018, 07:52:24 PM
Interesting action there between Mavs and Hawks.

The analytics of trading a 3rd for a 5th plus another first-rounder must heavily favor the Hawks.

I have my doubts that Luka Doncic will be a star in the NBA. His mom his hot though!
 (https://e00-marca.uecdn.es/assets/multimedia/imagenes/2018/06/22/15296520719207.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Award Show June 25th)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 22, 2018, 02:25:34 PM
She must've had him when she was 11.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Award Show June 25th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 22, 2018, 06:13:46 PM
So many rumours flying around about Lebron in LA.

 :'(

Not personally a fan of it but it is what it is.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Award Show June 25th)
Post by: benjipwns on June 22, 2018, 06:15:36 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on June 22, 2018, 02:20:32 PM
I have my doubts that Luka Doncic will be a star in the NBA. His mom his hot though!
 (https://e00-marca.uecdn.es/assets/multimedia/imagenes/2018/06/22/15296520719207.jpg)
https://twitter.com/andre/status/1009946354246807552
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Award Show June 25th)
Post by: benjipwns on June 22, 2018, 06:31:15 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on June 22, 2018, 02:25:34 PM
She must've had him when she was 11.


after some research, purely for informational purposes...she's 42, and was a competitive hurdler and model

she really loves her son: https://www.instagram.com/mirjampoterbin/ :heart :heart
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Award Show June 25th)
Post by: team filler on June 22, 2018, 11:25:29 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 22, 2018, 06:31:15 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on June 22, 2018, 02:25:34 PM
She must've had him when she was 11.


after some research, purely for informational purposes...she's 42, and was a competitive hurdler and model

she really loves her son: https://www.instagram.com/mirjampoterbin/ :heart :heart
https://twitter.com/85AGC/status/1010016797494349826
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Award Show June 25th)
Post by: Nola on June 22, 2018, 11:51:24 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 22, 2018, 06:13:46 PM
So many rumours flying around about Lebron in LA.

 :'(

Not personally a fan of it but it is what it is.

I read how he bought a home there last year(though pretty much every superstar has a place in LA as well) and there is all this talk about his family being a big determinant of where they end up so LA with Paul George makes a lot of sense in that it would satisfy both wants: a great place for his wife and kids that they apparently love and Lebron James being in LA and creating a legit contender. Though I hate to say it because I feel like that path could be incredibly seductive for Cousins to jump ship.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Award Show June 25th)
Post by: benjipwns on June 23, 2018, 12:49:39 AM
LeBron bought a second home last year, he already had one in LA, this new one may have been owned by Trump based on this description I found online:
Quote
The Cleveland Cavaliers superstar recently bought a $23 million home in Los Angeles' Brentwood neighborhood, the Los Angeles Times first reported. It's James' second real estate purchase in the City of Angels; he owns another home in the same neighborhood, which he bought for $21 million in 2015.

...

The custom-built chef's kitchen features marble countertops, French oak floors and stainless steel appliances gilded in gold.

...

Marble remains a theme throughout the entire home.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Award Show June 25th)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 23, 2018, 01:11:02 PM
Me not wanting Lebron to go to LA is strictly a personal preference kind of thing. Historically I've never been a fan of that franchise. I mean I loved Magic but I still didn't root for them and I really didn't like Kobe. All-Time great player of course but I just personally wasn't a fan.

That would be my least favorite option. I'd rather him stay in Cleveland and just concede not winning any more titles. Or Houston or Philly.

But whatever. He has to do what makes him happy.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Award Show June 25th)
Post by: TEEEPO on June 23, 2018, 01:16:28 PM
as much as it pains me to say it, the league needs the lakers to at the very least be in contention for a playoff spot


though i hope they never win another title in my life time
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Award Show June 25th)
Post by: TEEEPO on June 23, 2018, 06:43:47 PM
i take that back, i don't want to see r/nba dominated by lakers/warriors fans.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Award Show June 25th)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 24, 2018, 10:37:24 AM
I think there's enough Fuck You in Lebron that he wants to go to the West and win a title from there. That's the last knock on his legacy, that he's enjoyed an easier time being in the East his entire career.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Award Show June 25th)
Post by: team filler on June 24, 2018, 11:00:45 AM
LAbron  ;)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Award Show June 25th)
Post by: bluemax on June 26, 2018, 12:33:20 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 22, 2018, 03:08:13 AM
Clips have been a fun team I've kept an eye on since the Blake deal. They've got a similar forward situation too considering how little the team has been together. Need more Mo Harrell, and should get Willie Reed back, he was fun. Yet they can't really play their "best" forwards together even if healthy against a lot of teams.

The Clips guard situation is slightly misleading from a numbers standpoint because of their weird situations, Bradley has expired and I don't imagine they resign him, Beverley is coming off a season where he only played 11 games. Both Gilgeous-Alexander and Robinson are 6-5/6-6ish so they can play next to Lou Williams or Beverley or even Bradley if he did come back.

Though I guess Rivers is opting in because he'll get almost $13 million this year. Milos won't be back for a variety of reasons including some mutual ones from what I'm reading.

I actually kinda liked Tyrone Wallace, good defender plus 6-5, shame he can't shoot and is already 24. I imagine they dump Evans before his contract gets guaranteed...Thornwell's kinda a weird player but he's probably more valuable if he doesn't have to log so many minutes and is in spot duty for threes and dees, plus he's got one of those non-guaranteed deals too.

So until Doc starts trying to make Wesley Johnson a two guard yet again, they've really only got a five guard rotation with two rookies in it, and they're kinda all combo guards in style. Plus Thornwell who ideally seems like he somehow needs to become a SF legitimately. Maybe Boban could lend him a couple inches and 10-15lbs. In any case it seems easier to juggle than that front court situation, especially if DeAndre bolts. Maybe they should trade Danilo for Parsons and restage the hostage situation in reverse.

Milos opted in. The SGA pick was fine, the Robinson one is the weird one in all honesty, because of his size and skill set. Unless he improves at shooting from three. I definitely think they move 1-2 of the guards on the roster still.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA Award Show June 25th)
Post by: benjipwns on June 26, 2018, 07:52:39 AM
https://twitter.com/RealBillRussell/status/1011438471490072576
Title: Re: The NBA thread (June 29: Last day for player options)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 26, 2018, 07:32:56 PM
https://twitter.com/BenAxelrod/status/1011655215240630272
Title: Re: The NBA thread (June 29: Last day for player options)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 26, 2018, 07:45:13 PM
Quote
The LA Clippers are trading guard Austin Rivers to the Washington Wizards for center Marcin Gortat, league sources say.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (June 29: Last day for player options)
Post by: benjipwns on June 26, 2018, 11:56:36 PM
"Hey Dad/Coach, what's up?"
"I was just wondering. How much do you like D.C.?"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (June 29: Last day for player options)
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2018, 12:00:50 AM
https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1011812668162879488

https://twitter.com/CorryBotz/status/1011815751920087040
Title: Re: The NBA thread (June 29: Last day for player options)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 27, 2018, 11:05:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdK9h6UTypg
Title: Re: The NBA thread (June 29: Last day for player options)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 28, 2018, 07:24:17 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23932292/paul-george-informs-oklahoma-city-thunder-become-unrestricted-free-agent

Doesn't mean he is leaving yet as he could do a 1 and 1 in okc which many people think is going to happen but still... Once people start talking anything could happen.

Lebron has until Friday to declare also.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (June 29: Last day for player options)
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2018, 12:39:21 PM
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-lebron-james-decision-making-machine/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (June 29: Last day for player options)
Post by: Let's Cyber on June 28, 2018, 01:06:18 PM
At the beginning of last season and after André Roberson got hurt, it was a weird fit. Plus he put up several duds in round 1 after that first "Playoff P" game against Utah. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (June 29: Last day for player options)
Post by: Nola on June 28, 2018, 02:28:30 PM
Other than Stockholm Syndrome I can’t think of one good reason why Paul George should stay in OKC compared to any number of other options?

Title: Re: The NBA thread (June 29: Last day for player options)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 28, 2018, 03:21:13 PM
Quote from: Nola on June 28, 2018, 02:28:30 PM
Other than Stockholm Syndrome I can’t think of one good reason why Paul George should stay in OKC compared to any number of other options?

I don't really understand it either.

I mean they keep playing up the idea that he feels some sense of loyalty to OKC for trading for him to get him out of indy or that he's best buds with Westbrook. I'm not saying those things may not be true, but I just have a hard time believing that is enough to make a person feel like he should stay in that situation.

I mean maybe I get the sense that if you stay in OKC, the fanbase will love you like a god for staying, and you have less pressure than going to LA where they will want you to be the savior and take them to the promised land while enduring endless comparisons to Kobe Bryant.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (June 29: Last day for player options)
Post by: Let's Cyber on June 28, 2018, 03:23:43 PM
At the end of the day, I just want to see some team capable of punching the dubs in the mouth.

 :yeshrug

Plus a potential Lakers/Celtic finals with all the history that entails on top of Lebron vs. Kyrie would at be fun from a storyline perspective.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (June 29: Last day for player options)
Post by: bluemax on June 29, 2018, 12:46:45 AM
Quote from: Exodust on June 28, 2018, 12:41:27 PM
Didn't Paul George kinda suck at OKC anyway?

Not as much as Carmelo did. I've found it laughable for years all these rumors about some team acquiring Melo to form a super team, ignoring that he's old and busted and doesn't have relevant skills for today's NBA.

Although anyone who wants to win should really know that joining up with Westbrook is not gonna get you there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (June 29: Last day for player options)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 29, 2018, 12:58:02 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23944841/lebron-james-declining-player-option-become-unrestricted-free-agent
Title: Re: The NBA thread (June 29: Last day for player options)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 29, 2018, 04:06:17 PM
That's why Cleveland put banners of Lebron on the side of buildings and not paintings this time.

 :rollsafe


Title: Re: The NBA thread (June 29: Last day for player options)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 29, 2018, 04:51:39 PM
Yo Lonnie walker is a complete fucking weirdo I might actually have to start liking him :dead

https://mobile.twitter.com/RE_sports/status/1012773180233125893?ref_src
Title: Re: The NBA thread (June 29: Last day for player options)
Post by: T-Short on June 30, 2018, 07:48:55 AM
"y'all tried to make it look too much like a moon. There's no way it looks this nice or is this well done."  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 30, 2018, 11:48:03 AM
Sigh. Having to listen to stuff like this is why Lebron joining the Lakers is gonna be so annoying.

Quote
After spending two decades around Kobe Bryant as his agent and friend, Pelinka saw how obsessed the Lakers legend was with improving and constantly searching for new ways to find any advantage he could get over his opponent. It was Bryant's curiosity that in part inspired Pelinka to create the Genius Series.

"I remember one time [Bryant] called me and was like, 'Have you ever seen the way a cheetah attacks its prey? Like when it is hunting down a wildebeest?'" Pelinka said. "He said, 'I have really been thinking of ways to creatively change some of my movements and noticed that there was this incredible beauty in how a cheetah uses its tail to balance itself when it jumps in the air.' And he said, 'I have been moving my foot in different ways, almost like the tail of a cheetah, to learn how to have proper balance when I am shooting my fadeaway jumper.'"

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23929488/los-angeles-lakers-use-celebrity-speaker-series-promote-culture-success
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 30, 2018, 01:00:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsGR_H_wBlU&

lol. Messy podcast but I like that Haralabos will at least challenge Bill who is used to just throwing out hot takes without ever getting a challenge back.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Let's Cyber on June 30, 2018, 07:17:13 PM
We've reached my favorite (read: insane) part of American sports media and fanbase furor: tracking airline flights!

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/lebron-james-free-agency-rumors-james-flies-into-los-angeles-area-just-hours-before-free-agent-period-begins/
https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1013144923783213061
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2018, 10:35:15 PM
best part of story:
Quote
He will reportedly not be meeting with Cleveland once midnight strikes, but he could be meeting with the Lakers -- at least he'll be in the neighborhood.

A mix of people on Twitter and reddit have done some digging and found a flight set from Anguilla, where James is vacationing, to Los Angeles. ESPN later reported that James was indeed the person on that plane.

James leaving his vacation to go have a meeting with the Lakers this early in the free agency process would be a bit of a surprise, but he has indicated he wants this to be a quicker decision than it's been in the past. He doesn't want any elaborate pitch meetings. He just wants to discuss his options with the teams he is interested in.

This could be the Lakers chance to convince James that he should come to Los Angeles and play for them. And it would be a huge advantage for them considering the Cavs aren't even reported to have a meeting yet. Of course, James could always have one with them later. He could even meet with them in Los Angeles if he wants to. He does live there during the summer.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 01, 2018, 12:00:13 AM
PG staying in okc lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: agrajag on July 01, 2018, 12:03:32 AM
PG loves getting made into a giant dad confirmed

edit: well, I just discovered the rest of dog's forbidden words
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2018, 12:15:07 AM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1013270978917519362


https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1013275707970072583


https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1013269901992226816


https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1013270808175808512


https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1013274648535027713
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Nola on July 01, 2018, 12:30:16 AM
:holeup 40 mil for an eventual 37 year old Chris Paul? :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Mandark on July 01, 2018, 12:40:14 AM
Paul George signing a 3+1 to stay in OKC.

Did not see that coming.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2018, 12:41:06 AM
Quote
With Paul George and Jerami Grant on board, Oklahoma City now has a payroll of $156M with 11 players under contract. Because of the repeater tax penalty, the Thunder currently have a tax bill of $130M. The tax bill would be the largest in NBA history.

lol. Now they are willing to pay. 

:gurl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2018, 12:49:26 AM
Quote
Center DeAndre Jordan has agreed to sign a one-year deal with the Dallas Mavericks worth close to the $24.1 million player option he declined to exercise with the LA Clippers, league sources confirmed to ESPN.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2018, 12:50:42 AM
HUGE ONE:
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The San Antonio Spurs have agreed to re-sign forward Rudy Gay to a one-year, $10 million contract
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Let's Cyber on July 01, 2018, 12:52:31 AM
Good for PG.

I mean, they're not winning a title any time soon but what can you realistically expect in this age of Thanos Golden State?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2018, 12:53:55 AM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1013281263518732288
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Mandark on July 01, 2018, 12:55:05 AM
I told someone earlier today "None of those decisions make any sense together, it's like a Phoenix Suns offseason."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2018, 12:56:05 AM
Quote
Joe Harris: Agreed to two-year, $16 million deal to stay with the Brooklyn Nets.

Will Barton: Agreed in principle to a four-year, 54 million deal with the Denver Nuggets; Barton will be a starter at small forward.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2018, 12:57:24 AM
Quote from: Let's Cyber on July 01, 2018, 12:52:31 AM
Good for PG.

I mean, they're not winning a title any time soon but what can you realistically expect in this age of Thanos Golden State?
fuck rings, get paid :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2018, 01:05:17 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 01, 2018, 12:57:24 AM
Quote from: Let's Cyber on July 01, 2018, 12:52:31 AM
Good for PG.

I mean, they're not winning a title any time soon but what can you realistically expect in this age of Thanos Golden State?
fuck rings, get paid :rejoice

Yeah NBA players seem to be in fuck it, I just want to get paid now mode since the Warriors exist.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2018, 01:06:21 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 01, 2018, 12:50:42 AM
HUGE ONE:
Quote
The San Antonio Spurs have agreed to re-sign forward Rudy Gay to a one-year, $10 million contract

What's weird is when he opted out of his contract a few days ago, I thought that's odd. Who's going to pay him as a free agent.

So basically he just opted out to get a small raise from the Spurs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2018, 01:12:28 AM
what if LeBron signs a one-and-one with the Lakers so he can learn Warriors Secrets from Luke Walton, then heads back to the Cavs, while they clean up the roster in the meantime, for his revenge :ohhh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: agrajag on July 01, 2018, 01:14:28 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 01, 2018, 01:12:28 AM
what if LeBron signs a one-and-one with the Lakers so he can learn Warriors Secrets from Luke Walton, then heads back to the Cavs, while they clean up the roster in the meantime, for his revenge :ohhh

breh, I'll give you their secret for free

have Kevin Durant, Steph Curry, Draymond Green and Klay Thompson on your team
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2018, 01:17:58 AM
that can't be it
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: agrajag on July 01, 2018, 01:30:30 AM
if Walton so smart how come Lakers sux?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2018, 01:37:24 AM
Quote from: agrajag on July 01, 2018, 01:30:30 AM
if Walton so smart how come Lakers sux?
Laker wins in Kobe's final three seasons: 65
Laker wins in Luke's first two seasons: 61
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2018, 01:53:55 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dg_p-7qUcAAoa2K.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2018, 01:55:47 AM
Quote
San Antonio will also bring in Marco Belinelli, who agreed to a two-year, $12 million deal with the team, a league source told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.

With Belinelli and Gay, the Spurs project to have $107 million in committed salary, according to ESPN's Bobby Marks. The Belinelli contract will hard cap the Spurs at $129 million, based on the guard's using more than the $5.3 million midlevel exception.
Quote
Ed Davis: Agreed to one-year, $4.4 million deal with the Brooklyn Nets.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2018, 02:03:35 AM
Quote
Then there's Carmelo Anthony, who chose to make $27.9 million in the final season of his contract rather than test free agency. Oklahoma City could save money in 2018-19 by dealing Anthony for a player (or players) with smaller but longer contracts, giving the other team more flexibility for the summer of 2019 while delaying the worst of the Thunder's tax problems another year.

It's unclear whether another team would be interested in such a deal, but for example Oklahoma City could deal Anthony to the Milwaukee Bucks for Matthew Dellavedova, John Henson and Tyler Zeller (whose 2018-19 salary would have to be guaranteed for the salaries to match). That deal would save the Thunder more than $30 million in salary and taxes this season, but add about $20 million in 2019-20 salary.

The more dramatic option would be a buyout for Anthony, who might be willing to give up some money to sign with another team if it becomes clear his role in Oklahoma City will diminish next season. Even merely waiving Anthony and stretching his 2018-19 salary would (along with a Singler waiver) trim the Thunder's luxury-tax bill to a more manageable $40 million or so.
waive and stretch! waive and stretch! waive and stretch!

also, the Lakers missing out on George, LeBron and Kawhi, then trading their cap space for Anthony would be acceptable :delicious
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Nola on July 01, 2018, 02:20:19 AM
https://twitter.com/MarcJSpearsESPN/status/1013297425564332032

This is such a weird bi-polar feeling I have about this situation.

I was hoping the Woj report that interest had dried up was true because the speculation was a for a 1 and 1 or 2 and 1 on a non-max contract but George signing with the Thunder and the Kawhi/Lakers talks slowing down means LA can potentially force the Pels to overpay. Which in a vacuum I'd rather not because if Cousins doesn't come back to near full strength that will be an anchor and the team was solid without him.

But I also feel like if Boogie walks and goes to the Lakers that is basically it for the AD era. No way he doesn't see one of his best friends signing with Lebron and not feel like he has to get to a team with other superstars to compete(and he would be right). So should the Pels just overpay him? IDK.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2018, 02:51:12 AM
Cousins probably should rethink his alt-moderate nickname, especially with everything that's happening, not a good look
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2018, 04:11:56 AM
Quote from: Let's Cyber on June 30, 2018, 07:17:13 PM
We've reached my favorite (read: insane) part of American sports media and fanbase furor: tracking airline flights!

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/lebron-james-free-agency-rumors-james-flies-into-los-angeles-area-just-hours-before-free-agent-period-begins/
https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1013144923783213061
Quote from: benjipwns on June 30, 2018, 10:35:15 PM
Quote
He will reportedly not be meeting with Cleveland once midnight strikes, but he could be meeting with the Lakers -- at least he'll be in the neighborhood.

A mix of people on Twitter and reddit have done some digging and found a flight set from Anguilla, where James is vacationing, to Los Angeles. ESPN later reported that James was indeed the person on that plane.

James leaving his vacation to go have a meeting with the Lakers this early in the free agency process would be a bit of a surprise, but he has indicated he wants this to be a quicker decision than it's been in the past. He doesn't want any elaborate pitch meetings. He just wants to discuss his options with the teams he is interested in.

This could be the Lakers chance to convince James that he should come to Los Angeles and play for them. And it would be a huge advantage for them considering the Cavs aren't even reported to have a meeting yet. Of course, James could always have one with them later. He could even meet with them in Los Angeles if he wants to. He does live there during the summer.

Quote
Cavs general manager Koby Altman spoke to both Rich Paul and LeBron James over the phone at 12:01 a.m., sources tell ESPN.
good job, good effort everyone
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on July 01, 2018, 04:29:13 AM
can someone explain why Paul George is sticking with OKC?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Mandark on July 01, 2018, 04:38:42 AM
They have the Museum of Osteology, for one.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2018, 04:50:33 AM
Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on July 01, 2018, 04:29:13 AM
can someone explain why Paul George is sticking with OKC?
UNFINISHED BUSINESS

spoiler (click to show/hide)
accidentally signed a four year lease on his place
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2018, 04:55:57 AM
apparently the Lakers "backup plan" (according to some posts I saw on reddit from people with Laker icons, which I assume means they are insiders with the Lakers front office) is to now to go long to get Kawhi during the season without having to give up Ingram, then next offseason sign DeAndre, KD and Kyrie (who all signed one-year deals or refused an extension because they plan on teaming up, "multiple sources" say)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2018, 04:59:14 AM
i miss the days when Knicks fans weren't shells of human beings and created these same kind of elaborate plans :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2018, 07:44:45 AM
Quote
Denver has been in contact with James’ agent, Rich Paul, and has doggedly tried to position the team as James’ best option

The Nuggets know it’s a long shot, but Denver’s ultra aggressive front office wants a shot at selling James on a Jokic/Murray/Barton teammate trio–even if it’s just for one year.
this is totally great :mynicca
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2018, 12:20:55 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1013440590686687233

So rooting for Philly. I always wanted Philly or Houston with staying in Cleveland as a last option. LA was my least favorite choice.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2018, 12:55:12 PM
Please let the Lakers strike out on Lebron and everybody else.

Remington can continue to cry Kobe tears into his pillows for the next decade.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2018, 03:35:01 PM
https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/1013315735307730944
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Nola on July 01, 2018, 03:57:00 PM
I mean ever since he was on the Pels I always felt Tyreke's biggest hurdle was his own ego.

He always had the potential to be a 6th man of the year but he would pout and whine unless he was given the role of ISO hero on the team. The bench was an insult, he had to have the ball in his hands in clutch time so he could dribble into 3 defenders and throw up a prayer lay up and be on his back while the other team gets out on a 5 to 4 fast break.

If the Warriors could get him to buy into that 6th man role like on the Griz, and keep him out of clutch situations most nights, man.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Nola on July 01, 2018, 08:14:51 PM
And it's over....Lebron to Lakers on 4 year deal.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1013574987909824512
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Mandark on July 01, 2018, 08:18:06 PM
Damn.

Lakers just got their best player since Shaq.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: curly on July 01, 2018, 08:22:26 PM
rip kobe's legacy
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2018, 08:22:56 PM
Quote from: Nola on July 01, 2018, 08:14:51 PM
And it's over....Lebron to Lakers on 4 year deal.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1013574987909824512

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/frustrated.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Nola on July 01, 2018, 08:32:25 PM
Not that anybody but me cares, but at least this makes me feel a bit better about our position in retaining Cousins without a major overpay or possibly getting a sign and trade deal:

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1013580008458276864

Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2018, 08:40:44 PM
I mean the handwriting was on the wall. It's been drifting this way for the last couple of weeks sadly but I was hoping he would have a last second change of heart. I get why he would do it from a life perspective. Big Market. Big Money. Big Endorsements. Who wouldn't want to live in LA over Cleveland. And I think he's at that phase where that is more what matters than getting another ring. I just detest that fanbase. It's gonna be brutal having to endure a fanbase made out of remington's and Kobe fanatics. That's death by a thousand cuts if I've ever seen it.

From a basketball perspective, I think they will be good not great unless Kawhi pops into the situation. They will be middle of the pack at best I would think in that brutal Western Conference.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2018, 09:00:21 PM
Quote from: Exodust on July 01, 2018, 08:56:08 PM
Here's hoping we still get Kawhi somehow.
The problem is I think Philly and Boston have more to give if they really want to go after him. I actually don't think Boston would do it, but if I was Philly I would absolutely do it. I don't even care that he says he would leave in one year as I kinda don't believe that.

Kawhi, Simmons, and Embiid would be a handful.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: team filler on July 01, 2018, 09:00:48 PM
WE BACK!!  :shaq :mynicca :rejoice :success :playa
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Nola on July 01, 2018, 09:01:41 PM
https://twitter.com/DanFeldmanNBA/status/1013582015080386564

 :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2018, 09:06:17 PM
Quote from: Nola on July 01, 2018, 09:01:41 PM

 :neogaf

Yeah NBA needs like a WWE Raw/Smackdown brand style redraft at this point.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Kara on July 01, 2018, 09:15:53 PM
People say there's no underlying justice to the operation of the universe but:

1. Jack has root for LeBron James now.
2. Stoney has to watch more Lakers games now than a person has to watch because the NBA forces people to watch a certain amount of Lakers games without regard for their quality of play.
3. Every Kobe hater who latched onto Bron to hide what they were instead of just being like bionic77 was (is?) with Jeffrey has to either pretend to like the Lakers now or admit they were frauds.
4. The Lakers get the greatest player to be swept twice in the NBA Finals (dare you to prove me wrong).
5. Jeanie Buss gets vindication for icing her failson brother from the job he got because he was best friends with his dad.

:bow The universe. :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2018, 09:15:56 PM
btw I'm also low-key secretly fascinated to watch the Cavs next season for a lot of reasons...

I have a bet going with my brother about how Kevin Love will perform without Lebron in the mix and what level of player he is at this point.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Let's Cyber on July 01, 2018, 09:19:49 PM
I can see Cleveland getting a 6th or 7th seed in the east tbh.

 :yeshrug
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2018, 09:21:30 PM
Quote from: Let's Cyber on July 01, 2018, 09:19:49 PM
I can see Cleveland getting a 6th or 7th seed in the east tbh.

 :yeshrug

I'm fascinated. I legit have no idea. Part of my brain thinks they will be god awful. And part of my brain says the East is so bad, they could do exactly as you say.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2018, 09:26:22 PM
Quote from: Exodust on July 01, 2018, 09:23:49 PM
You guys can stop pretending that the Cavs are worth talking about now that Lebron left.

I can't let that life go.

 :'(

Plus lets be honest. The Warriors are getting another chip next season. You need a lot of mini-stories to make the long season pass.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Let's Cyber on July 01, 2018, 09:38:58 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2018, 09:21:30 PM
I'm fascinated. I legit have no idea. Part of my brain thinks they will be god awful. And part of my brain says the East is so bad, they could do exactly as you say.
Just to pencil in some teams...

1) Boston, with everyone healthy
2) Philly
3) Toronto. I'll say they regress after a 59 win season and new coach but I think they'll still be a very good team(in the regular season).

After that, it's anyone's guess.

Indiana is up and coming. I wouldn't be surprised to see them overtake Toronto.

The Bucks have been dysfunctional with flashes of Greek Freak brilliance. Maybe Budenholzer turns them into a legit East contender, it isn't out of the question.

I don't trust Washington. At all.

The Pistons could be interesting but their roster is built so much differently than Dwane Casey's Raptors I imagine there will be some growing pains.

Maybe the Heat put together another winning campaign but I don't anyone sees them as a real threat.

I see no reason the Cavs can't make the playoffs, even if it is as a lower seed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2018, 09:45:31 PM
My issue depends on who Kevin Love is. Is he really even a super good player anymore. Can he stay healthy with an increased load. I need to see who is gonna score 20 on that team next year on a consistent basis. Who is gonna drive the ball and score from the guard position like a modern team needs to.

The defense will be awful like it was last year.

The offense doesn't imo have a go to guy like even the other lower tier playoff style teams do.

I think it could be really bad. But maybe Love and Clarkson, Hood, Jeff Green will elevate a bit with the opportunity now given to them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Nola on July 01, 2018, 10:31:44 PM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1013609373246074880

 :heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: team filler on July 01, 2018, 10:35:44 PM
https://twitter.com/TheBrantWhite/status/1013609459988549634
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2018, 10:38:57 PM
lolkers
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: TEEEPO on July 01, 2018, 10:50:12 PM
lakers keep taking them L's
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2018, 10:52:19 PM
The other major market is also making moves kids

Mario Hezonja: Agreed to a one-year, $6.5 million with the New York Knicks.
Luke Kornet: Agreed to a one-year deal to remain with the New York Knicks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2018, 10:55:45 PM
Quote
Glenn Robinson III: Agreed to a two-year, $8.3 million deal with the Detroit Pistons.

1989 NBA FINALS REMATCH IS GO
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Nola on July 01, 2018, 10:57:45 PM
Elfrid Payton to the Pels.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1013617155177418752

 :leon
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2018, 11:00:00 PM
Quote
It will be the first time since 2009-10 the Eastern Conference champion will not have LeBron James.
wow, talk about crazy predictions ESPN, calm down, let's see how the season goes first
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: agrajag on July 01, 2018, 11:01:27 PM
Wow it will take some getting used to seeing Bron in a yellow uniform
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Nola on July 01, 2018, 11:05:23 PM
https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1013618110388101121

 :noah
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: TEEEPO on July 01, 2018, 11:16:15 PM
i'm expecting a noel signing any minute
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2018, 11:27:09 PM
Quote from: Exodust on July 01, 2018, 11:24:54 PM
Magic Johnson what is you doing?
Quote
When told that this is a different job than being the point guard who orchestrated the Lakers' "Showtime" dynasty, Johnson reminded people of who he is.

"I'm Magic Johnson. I am still the same dude," he said. "I am not going to change. No pressure on me. I am going to do my job. That's what I do. I do my job. I'm excited. It's fun. I am looking forward to it."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: naff on July 01, 2018, 11:28:17 PM
Quote from: Exodust on July 01, 2018, 09:04:32 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/aBO0HRxivfJug/giphy.gif)

We got Lebron, might get Kawhi, and actually not be shit like we've been for the past half decade whew Lakers baybeeeeee

Maybe Boogie still? I would be hype to watch the Lakers if they get Boogie.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Nola on July 01, 2018, 11:32:19 PM
Quote from: naff on July 01, 2018, 11:28:17 PM
Quote from: Exodust on July 01, 2018, 09:04:32 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/aBO0HRxivfJug/giphy.gif)

We got Lebron, might get Kawhi, and actually not be shit like we've been for the past half decade whew Lakers baybeeeeee

Maybe Boogie still? I would be hype to watch the Lakers if they get Boogie.

Thankfully(from my perspective) it seems like they won't have the money to sign him anymore.

They have basically burned through their cap space according to Marks on ESPN and into their room exception.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: naff on July 01, 2018, 11:49:09 PM
 :tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2018, 11:50:05 PM
Quote from: Exodust on July 01, 2018, 11:34:49 PM
Rumor is Boogie probably didn't want a one year deal.

The prospect of Bron, Kawhi and Boogie all in purple and gold was to good to be true :'(

Yeah they are just filling out the team. With Lebron signing a 4 year deal, that was a discussion between him and the front office that next year they will go for another big free agent and just roll with what they have for this season.

It's probably a good thing to not over-pay for Kawhi with a gun to your head.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 01, 2018, 11:52:50 PM
It's too bad that the LeBron signing had to be overshadowed by the signing of John Tavares by the Leafs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: naff on July 01, 2018, 11:55:00 PM
I have never rooted for the Lakers in my life. As a kid i chose the Stockton Malone Jazz partially as my team because they were opposing the end of the Showtime era Lakers (my californian cousins are all big lakers fans). But really, as a foreigner I watch whatever team i like. Boogie, Kawhi, Stephenson, McGee and Bron sounds like a riot (possibly literally).
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2018, 12:24:05 AM
actually thinking about it rather than snarking, i kinda quite like the Knicks current situation of playing the "second or third draft" market, Kanter, Hezonja, Beasley, Trey Burke, etc. And both Beasley and Burke they did fairly long background checks, talking to recent teams/players about if the players legit matured and got themselves out of their way, etc.

Similarly, been wondering if Andray Blatche might pop up again soon since his China deal is done. Would rather have him around to tinker with than Anthony Randolph who totally wasn't that great in Yurop even if he cut down on his stupid mistakes.

The best part about JaVale McGee's return is that he's almost totally the same dude and that's seemingly why the Warriors wanted him. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2018, 12:29:34 AM
Also, Lakers need to bring Love back to LA. Send Deng for him. 8)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 02, 2018, 01:28:55 AM
Jack Remington having to root for Lebron almost makes me think there might be a god

Like, some trickster god like Loki or whatever, but still
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Nola on July 02, 2018, 01:42:09 AM
Jesus Christ lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on July 02, 2018, 01:53:38 AM
lmao
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: team filler on July 02, 2018, 02:00:08 AM
Quote from: Jack Remington on July 02, 2018, 01:41:09 AM
This is everything I ever dreamed of. Plan the fucking parade, fam.
8)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 02, 2018, 02:28:48 AM
I'm already looking forward to the midseason, when LeBron forces the Lakers to mortgage their future for marginal shooters.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2018, 02:52:43 AM
 :bow HE ACCEPTED THE CHALLENGE, SO MUCH RESPECT :bow2
Quote from: benjipwns on June 12, 2018, 02:46:12 PM
https://twitter.com/stephenasmith/status/1006576289376030720
https://twitter.com/stephenasmith/status/1012779960187084800
https://twitter.com/stephenasmith/status/1013576614834200576
https://twitter.com/stephenasmith/status/1013618285756047361
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: team filler on July 02, 2018, 03:01:59 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2018, 03:39:17 AM
Quote from: André Snellings, ESPN Fantasy
It all comes down to the ring. If LeBron leads the Lakers to a title, then it is a huge benefit to his legacy. This would be the third team he has led to a championship, and he'd have done it for the most glamorous organization in the league. But he must lead it to that title. Anything short of that and one of the most rabid fan bases in the NBA would be disappointed and the King's legacy would be tarnished in ways it wouldn't have been had he stayed in Cleveland. This was a high-risk, high-reward move for LeBron, who has set himself up to be compared to the ghost of Kobe Bryant every day from now until he wins a ring.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2018, 03:44:58 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on July 02, 2018, 02:28:48 AM
I'm already looking forward to the midseason, when LeBron forces the Lakers to mortgage their future for marginal shooters.
At least they probably never have to worry about LeBron telling the front office he wants J.R. Smith around now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2018, 04:27:50 AM
They'll probably be begging the Suns to send them Ariza for LeBron, likely agreeing to take on Chriss and Chandler just to get rid of him, after the 8-14 start. :mjcry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2018, 04:29:10 AM
And doubly so whenever Lonzo finally has enough and demands "him or me" and they dump LeBron for conditional second round picks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: eleuin on July 02, 2018, 09:07:05 AM
Quote from: Kara on July 01, 2018, 09:15:53 PM
People say there's no underlying justice to the operation of the universe but:

1. Jack has root for LeBron James now.
2. Stoney has to watch more Lakers games now than a person has to watch because the NBA forces people to watch a certain amount of Lakers games without regard for their quality of play.
3. Every Kobe hater who latched onto Bron to hide what they were instead of just being like bionic77 was (is?) with Jeffrey has to either pretend to like the Lakers now or admit they were frauds.
4. The Lakers get the greatest player to be swept twice in the NBA Finals (dare you to prove me wrong).
5. Jeanie Buss gets vindication for icing her failson brother from the job he got because he was best friends with his dad.

:bow The universe. :bow2
what about the lebron haters who just happened to be kobe fans  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 02, 2018, 11:12:00 AM
https://youtu.be/Fmr0ry55zxg


Thon Maker

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--4ZoSYD92--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/tpb5brntkzj8sjy1tcix.mp4


 :leon
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 02, 2018, 12:12:21 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1013816787832623106
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2018, 02:39:47 PM
https://twitter.com/stephenasmith/status/1013840289843343362

On that note:
Quote
After meeting with the Oklahoma City Thunder Sunday night in L.A., free agent guard Tyreke Evans will meet with the Los Angeles Lakers on Monday, sources told ESPN's Chris Haynes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 02, 2018, 05:08:17 PM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1013858205355728896
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Nola on July 02, 2018, 05:29:00 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1013895779512090625

Fuck!!!

Also, WTF Lakers? Add Rondo and Stephenson on the second worst three point shooting team?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 02, 2018, 05:31:09 PM
Probably about to trade Lonzo and his windbag dad, then
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 02, 2018, 05:31:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRoo072Z2Ec

fun podcast
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2018, 05:56:00 PM
Quote
Free agent guard Jose Calderon has agreed to a one-year, $2.4 million deal with the Detroit Pistons, league sources tell ESPN's Chris Haynes.
COMING FOR YOU LAKERS :punch
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2018, 05:57:40 PM
Noel's deal is for the league minimum, dis market.

Quote
Mike Scott: Agreed to a one-year deal with the LA Clippers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2018, 06:25:16 PM
https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne/status/1013900649224761344
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2018, 06:29:05 PM
ESPN is totally pumped
https://twitter.com/lindacohn/status/1013909575727058944

https://twitter.com/stephenasmith/status/1013873916673187841

https://twitter.com/stephenasmith/status/1013897497251663872
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Nola on July 02, 2018, 07:08:25 PM
Randle to Pels


https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1013919134357315584

At first I was worried, but hearing this is Davis recruiting, I like that sort of buy in...  :mynicca
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 02, 2018, 07:12:23 PM
I always liked Randle. Strictly an inside player with no outside game which isn't ideal in the modern age but I thought he had a really good motor everytime I saw him play.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Nola on July 02, 2018, 07:15:12 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 02, 2018, 07:12:23 PM
I always liked Randle. Strictly an inside player with no outside game which isn't ideal in the modern age but I thought he had a really good motor everytime I saw him play.

Yeah fit wise I'm a little surprised because AD thrives much better when he has shooters drawing defenders away from the rim, but I do like Randle.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 02, 2018, 07:15:20 PM
 We need a betting pool on who signs Isaiah Thomas and for how much.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Nola on July 02, 2018, 07:17:03 PM
I honestly could see the Pels doing it if he's still hanging out after the bigger pieces fall into place.

Demps has a love affair with undersized guards. Who better than Thomas to satisfy that itch?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: agrajag on July 02, 2018, 07:26:56 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 02, 2018, 06:25:16 PM
https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne/status/1013900649224761344

Ya, just like he was excited to play with Andrew Wiggins and Shabaz Napier
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 02, 2018, 07:29:58 PM
They ain't trading Lonzo this year unless its part of the Kawhi deal. He has too much value specifically for them. He's a PG who can still pass but doesn't need to be ball dominant.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 02, 2018, 07:33:37 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 02, 2018, 05:57:40 PM
Noel's deal is for the league minimum, dis market.

Quote
Mike Scott: Agreed to a one-year deal with the LA Clippers.

Never forget. Noel turned down a four-year, $70 million contract from the Mavs instead expecting the max. Will go down as one of the biggest money mistakes ever.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 02, 2018, 07:35:15 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 02, 2018, 07:29:58 PM
They ain't trading Lonzo this year unless its part of the Kawhi deal. He has too much value specifically for them. He's a PG who can still pass but doesn't need to be ball dominant.

Supposedly the Spurs aren't very high on Lonzo (for obvious reasons) but I bet they could get a first round pick for him from another team and kick it to the Spurs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 02, 2018, 07:38:15 PM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on July 02, 2018, 07:35:15 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 02, 2018, 07:29:58 PM
They ain't trading Lonzo this year unless its part of the Kawhi deal. He has too much value specifically for them. He's a PG who can still pass but doesn't need to be ball dominant.

Supposedly the Spurs aren't very high on Lonzo (for obvious reasons) but I bet they could get a first round pick for him from another team and kick it to the Spurs.

Something along those lines could work but yeah it would have to figure into the Kawhi thing. They wouldn't just move him to move him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Nola on July 02, 2018, 08:11:33 PM
Quote from: Jack Remington on July 02, 2018, 07:39:09 PM
How to almost completely destroy the joy I felt in getting LeBron: let Randle go for absolutely nothing and watch him get signed for $9m a year.

I’m so furious.

Unless there is something else that hasn't dropped yet, like a sign and trade for Boogie, I really dont get what it is you all are doing outside of signing Lebron??

If you asked me yesterday what is next for the Lakers in FA after getting Lebron, signing Javale McGee, Lance Stephenson, and renouncing Randle to sign Rajon Rondo would of not been in any of my speculation.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Nola on July 02, 2018, 08:16:44 PM
Yeah I mean none of it is long-term anchors like Cleveland got themselves in, still, I'm kind of wondering about the combined brain trust of Magic and Lebron building out this roster. It's incredibly odd.

Even on 1 year deals, there seems to have been a lot of better routes to go. IDK. FA is still young.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 02, 2018, 08:39:10 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1013944449750261760
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: El Babua on July 02, 2018, 08:42:46 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 02, 2018, 08:52:12 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/NOLAPelicans/comments/8vnsip/free_agent_demarcus_cousins_has_agreed_to_a_deal/

The salt...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on July 02, 2018, 08:52:40 PM
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHABAHAHAHAHAHA
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Nola on July 02, 2018, 08:55:45 PM
Well that is about the worst way that could of gone down.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: team filler on July 02, 2018, 08:55:53 PM
5.3 mil? what a dumb biiiiiiiiiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatch
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on July 02, 2018, 08:58:37 PM
fwiw, he isn’t projected to come back till like, right before the playoffs and solid chance he’s not half the player he used to be, it being an Achilles and all
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: El Babua on July 02, 2018, 09:01:09 PM
Yeah, they honestly don't need Cousins to win a chip, but if he's even half the player he was then it's a wrap for the rest of the league come playoff time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 02, 2018, 09:01:30 PM
Lakers bandwagoners had their shortest ride ever.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 02, 2018, 09:05:31 PM
It's a great low risk high reward thing. Even if he sucks when he comes back, he's completely extra.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Akala on July 02, 2018, 09:56:45 PM
I mean ew, but get a ring I guess.  :yuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: eleuin on July 02, 2018, 10:10:24 PM
 :shaq2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Akala on July 02, 2018, 10:17:19 PM
Pels lost Rondo too but got Randle. =/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Big Hoops on July 03, 2018, 12:11:30 AM
How are Spurs fans feeling in this thread? I'd like to get a feel, so I can have conversations with straight male friends  :shh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: team filler on July 03, 2018, 12:23:50 AM
Quote from: Big Hoops on July 03, 2018, 12:11:30 AM
How are Spurs fans feeling in this thread? I'd like to get a feel, so I can have conversations with straight male friends  :shh
:supergay
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: bluemax on July 03, 2018, 01:09:57 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 02, 2018, 07:29:58 PM
They ain't trading Lonzo this year unless its part of the Kawhi deal. He has too much value specifically for them. He's a PG who can still pass but doesn't need to be ball dominant.

Lonzo's biggest value on offense is play making and passing, he can't shoot and I felt like he disappeared back in college when he didn't have the ball in his hands. And now that they've added another non shooting PG in Rondo, I feel like Lonzo's days are numbered.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 03, 2018, 09:15:42 AM
Quote from: Jack Remington on July 03, 2018, 08:51:29 AM
Lonzo will almost certainly be a much better shooter this season. 38% from 3 or higher is a reasonable expectation.
His shooting almost has to improve, but why is 38% a reasonable expectation? There a ton of examples of players improving drastically from their rookies seasons (Carter, Durant, Nowitzki off the top of my head, but I'm just wondering about that number.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 03, 2018, 11:28:52 AM
Lots of great moves for the Lakers, maybe 'bron will actually win a Finals game this year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 03, 2018, 11:43:28 AM
lol at the "normal center" the Warriors bring in this year is one who likes to handle the ball and jack triples
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 03, 2018, 12:16:47 PM
https://twitter.com/DanRather/status/1013815184366841856
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: team filler on July 03, 2018, 02:46:34 PM
 :shaq2 :american
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Nola on July 03, 2018, 03:21:39 PM
Despite still being annoyed at all that went down yesterday, this is good:

https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/1014149482416656384
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: agrajag on July 03, 2018, 04:40:01 PM
Too late, ResetERA has already declared him guilty in the court of public opinion via the believe the victim clause!

 :bolo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 03, 2018, 06:06:20 PM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1014225434924535808

Not a big deal obviously but kind of a sign that Love is gonna be moved relatively soon I would think.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 03, 2018, 06:07:50 PM
https://twitter.com/JaredWeissNBA/status/1014257784605405185
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Mandark on July 03, 2018, 06:08:41 PM
Wizards ship out the center who was causing locker room friction so they can do this.

Grunfeld gonna Grunfeld.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 03, 2018, 06:21:06 PM
The tax MLE is a little below twice the minimum, plus he's still getting paid $20+ million by Brooklyn.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 03, 2018, 06:22:35 PM
Quote
The Denver Nuggets have traded forward Wilson Chandler and a future second-round draft pick to the Philadelphia 76ers

Quote
Free-agent guard Tyreke Evans has agreed in principle to a one-year, $12 million deal with the Indiana Pacers

Free-agent guard Michael Carter-Williams has agreed to a one-year, $1.75 million minimum contract with the Houston Rockets

Restricted free-agent guard Dante Exum has agreed to a 3-year, $33 million contract extension with the Utah Jazz

Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 03, 2018, 06:23:51 PM
Quote
Boston Celtics point guard Kyrie Irving and Minnesota Timberwolves shooting guard Jimmy Butler are trying to find a way to play together, according to a report from the Chicago Sun-Times. Both players are eligible for free agency next summer.
KNICKS ARE BACK!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 03, 2018, 07:34:02 PM
(https://fivethirtyeight.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/paine-boogieGSW1.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 03, 2018, 09:11:19 PM
I didn't realize the Warriors don't get Bird rights for cousins. That's interesting.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 03, 2018, 09:33:59 PM
at age 35...

Elton Brand, LaPhonso Ellis and Brandon Jennings are closer to Cousins' age, Brand probably is the best example to look at except he had other injuries iirc that doubled his seasons out of the game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Beezy on July 03, 2018, 10:40:08 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 03, 2018, 06:23:51 PM
Quote
Boston Celtics point guard Kyrie Irving and Minnesota Timberwolves shooting guard Jimmy Butler are trying to find a way to play together, according to a report from the Chicago Sun-Times. Both players are eligible for free agency next summer.
KNICKS ARE BACK!
stop it
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 03, 2018, 11:19:35 PM
Isaiah Thomas probably signing with Orlando.

Also:
Quote
Word also reached us Monday night that LeBron’s Lakers, after signing Rajon Rondo away from New Orleans and then losing Randle to the Pelicans, had an opportunity to sign Cousins at a one-year price point similar to the one that landed him in Golden State. But I’m told the Lakers passed
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: bluemax on July 04, 2018, 12:16:14 AM
So the Lakers depth chart is:

Ball/Rondo
KCP/Lance Stephenson
Lebron/Ingram
Kuzma/Moritz Wagner
Lopez/Frye/McGee

I guess it comes down to what you think of KCP and Ingram
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 04, 2018, 12:22:31 AM
Brook Lopez is still unsigned. Same with Frye. They also have Josh Hart still.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Nola on July 04, 2018, 01:23:27 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 03, 2018, 09:33:59 PM
at age 35...

Elton Brand, LaPhonso Ellis and Brandon Jennings are closer to Cousins' age, Brand probably is the best example to look at except he had other injuries iirc that doubled his seasons out of the game.

Yeah when it happened I tried to find all the research I could on players returning from achilles injuries and it's just a really sparse sample size. So it really is a bit of an unknown what to expect.

Not to mention a lot of the talking points that you hear about(or I did), like Lowe mentioning in his pieces about 80-90% never returning to form is a bit misleading. A lot of players are not very good to begin with, so they weren't likely to stay in the league anyways. Since an injury like that is just a big "nope" when it comes to fringe players. So that skews those results.

....Knowing our franchises luck though(or incompetence if you insist), Cousins will have a Dominique Wilkins type recovery.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 04, 2018, 10:28:52 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=&v=Ja280KsTr-w
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Beezy on July 04, 2018, 11:39:16 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 03, 2018, 11:19:35 PM
Isaiah Thomas probably signing with Orlando.

Also:
Quote
Word also reached us Monday night that LeBron’s Lakers, after signing Rajon Rondo away from New Orleans and then losing Randle to the Pelicans, had an opportunity to sign Cousins at a one-year price point similar to the one that landed him in Golden State. But I’m told the Lakers passed


source?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Brehvolution on July 05, 2018, 10:55:13 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 03, 2018, 06:22:35 PM
Quote
The Denver Nuggets have traded forward Wilson Chandler and a future second-round draft pick to the Philadelphia 76ers

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Free-agent guard Tyreke Evans has agreed in principle to a one-year, $12 million deal with the Indiana Pacers

Free-agent guard Michael Carter-Williams has agreed to a one-year, $1.75 million minimum contract with the Houston Rockets

Restricted free-agent guard Dante Exum has agreed to a 3-year, $33 million contract extension with the Utah Jazz

These contract amounts seem so random. How does grandpa Chris Paul get 4/$160M and King James gets 4/$153M?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 05, 2018, 11:49:20 AM
I mean your contract is partly dependent on your situation and the team and their needs but in the case of Paul versus Lebron it has to do with bird rights and the higher escalators per year. It gets complicated.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2018, 06:15:52 AM
stephen a. smith is winning the offseason

https://twitter.com/stephenasmith/status/1015058708769005570

https://twitter.com/stephenasmith/status/1015066109396086785
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2018, 06:24:56 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 04, 2018, 10:28:52 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=&v=Ja280KsTr-w
lol disney
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Brehvolution on July 06, 2018, 10:19:34 AM
https://twitter.com/MikeSGallagher/status/1015053200540426240

Oh so close to getting decked :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2018, 12:22:46 PM
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Center Kyle O'Quinn has agreed to a one-year, $4.5 million contract with the Indiana Pacers, a source told ESPN's Chris Haynes.
Pacers stocking up this year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 06, 2018, 12:29:48 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24017911/oklahoma-city-thunder-carmelo-anthony-part-ways


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The massive financial implications of Anthony opting into his $27.9 million contract for the 2018-19 season -- coupled with a mutual understanding that his scaled back role isn't what he had signed up for to play with Oklahoma City -- have dictated that the two sides will part ways sometime this summer, league sources told ESPN.

Anthony's agent, Leon Rose of CAA Sports, has a strong relationship and history with Thunder general manager Sam Presti, and they'll work together on Anthony's exit through trade, the NBA's stretch provision, or a combined buyout and stretch, league sources said.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 06, 2018, 12:48:17 PM
Carmelo's going to get one of those Bobby Bonilla contracts, isn't he?

Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2018, 12:55:02 PM
LeBron's going to be showing the texts and playing the voicemails from Melo for other people.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 06, 2018, 11:41:16 PM
 The end of the Era

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1015316608942858242
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 07, 2018, 04:54:36 AM
Dwight getting more than originally reported:
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The Brooklyn Nets have finalized a contract buyout with center Dwight Howard, clearing the way for him to sign a two-year, $11 million free-agent deal with the Washington Wizards, league sources told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.

Even Pop wasn't going to pay this much:
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Free-agent guard Tony Parker has agreed to a two-year, $10 million deal with the Charlotte Hornets
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"It's difficult to put into words how important Tony Parker has been to the Spurs franchise over the past two decades," Popovich said in a statement. "From his first game in 2001 at age 19, TP has impressed and inspired us -- day-after-day, game-after-game, season-after-season -- with his passion, dedication and desire. We are grateful to Tony for 17 years of truly amazing memories."
although...
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Tension between Parker and Leonard emerged after Parker said his own quadriceps injury was "100 times worse" than Leonard's. Leonard had been seeking outside treatment and recovering away from the team for most of last season.

Parker ruptured his left quadriceps tendon in the 2016-17 Western Conference finals and now says he is close to 100 percent healed. He returned to the court on Nov. 27 last season after 208 days. His injury was considered more significant than Leonard's, and the team sought advice from the world's best tendon experts for Parker and Leonard.

Parker elected to utilize the Spurs' doctors, and Leonard sought treatment outside of the organization.

"I have no problem with Kawhi Leonard. We never had an argument," Parker told The Undefeated. "When the journalist asked me if my injury was worse than Kawhi's, I said yes because it was true. But that didn't lessen the significance of his injury. He took over the franchise, and I gave up the torch of the franchise willingly. It's very sad that the media took one quote and made it sound like I didn't want to play with him. He was the face of the franchise."
I assume he'll match this:
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Restricted free-agent forward Kyle Anderson has signed a four-year, $37.2 million offer sheet with the Memphis Grizzlies, league sources told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.

This didn't even last an hour:
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The Chicago Bulls have decided to match the Sacramento Kings' four-year, $78 million offer sheet to restricted free agent Zach LaVine, league sources told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski. The Bulls have 48 hours to match the offer sheet and fully plan to do so before the deadline.

Good sign of just how the market dried up, especially for centers who aren't Jokic:
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Restricted free-agent center Jusuf Nurkic has agreed to a four-year, $48 million deal to stay with the Portland Trail Blazers
The guy he was traded for, Mason Plumlee, got $41 million over three years last summer from Denver. His brother Miles got $50 million over four years the summer before that from the Bucks. Both were 27, Nurkic is 23.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: team filler on July 08, 2018, 03:07:38 AM
https://twitter.com/never1959/status/1015362103685701632
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2018, 03:10:35 AM
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The Orlando Magic have acquired guard Jerian Grant and center Timofey Mozgov in a three-team deal with the Charlotte Hornets and Chicago Bulls.

The Magic send center Bismack Biyombo to the Hornets, where he started his career as the No. 7 overall pick in 2011.

Chicago acquires Charlotte guard Julyan Stone, who has a non-guaranteed contract that could be waived next month.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: VomKriege on July 08, 2018, 05:36:29 PM
Quote from: filler on July 08, 2018, 03:07:38 AM
https://twitter.com/never1959/status/1015362103685701632

https://twitter.com/BenOsaze/status/1015380228447694848

It's been vandalized BTW. Sports fans :derp
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: agrajag on July 08, 2018, 05:49:31 PM
he look more like greg oden in that mural
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2018, 09:47:19 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 07, 2018, 04:54:36 AM
I assume he'll match this:
lol what a dummy

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The San Antonio Spurs have decided to decline matching Kyle Anderson's four-year, $37 million offer sheet with the Memphis Grizzlies, league sources told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski. Anderson is likely to become the Grizzlies' starting small forward.

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Free-agent center Zaza Pachulia has agreed to a one-year, $2.4 million contract with the Detroit Pistons
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Free-agent center Brook Lopez has agreed to a one-year, $3.4 million deal with the Milwaukee Bucks
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2018, 10:08:22 AM
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At even odds, are you taking a healthy Warriors team or the 2019 East All-Stars in a seven-game series?

Begley: Warriors. Let's assume that neither Jimmy Butler nor Kawhi Leonard are dealt to an Eastern Conference team, and that Kyrie Irving is healthy. Given those parameters, I'd still have to take the Warriors here because of the way they can space the floor with dead-eye shooters. Also, an important factor that makes this hypothetical tough to answer: chemistry. Unless the core of this East All-Star team had spent the past three seasons playing more than 300 total games together, there's no way they operate with the level of on-court rhythm the Warriors have established.

Forsberg: East All-Stars. Sure, the Warriors have the potential to trot out five All-Stars, but, even in a star-depleted East, the ability to go 13 deep with impact talent would give the East an edge during a seven-game series, but the Warriors would win three games.

Herring: East All-Stars. I don't even know that I have a valid reason for this pick, but it makes me feel better about the state of the league to at least imagine that one conference's All-Stars would be superior to an actual team's starting five. What a world.

MacMullan: Hey now, I love the Warriors as much as anyone, but let's get real. Give me a roster of Joel Embiid, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Kyrie Irving, Victor Oladipo, Jayson Tatum, DeMar DeRozan, Ben Simmons, John Wall, Jaylen Brown, Blake Griffin, Al Horford, Kevin Love, Bradley Beal, Kemba Walker and Kyle Lowry and I'll take my chances.

Pelton: East All-Stars. While the Warriors would probably have the best two players in such a series, the difference in starting fives isn't dramatic, and the East would have an enormous depth edge with the likes of Bradley Beal and Kyle Lowry coming off the bench.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: agrajag on July 09, 2018, 11:15:32 AM
Who's the East's coach?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2018, 08:27:04 PM
NOLA ANXIETY WATCH: https://www.nola.com/pelicans/index.ssf/2018/07/alvin_gentry_demarcus_cousins.html
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When speaking to reporters at the Las Vegas Summer League Monday (July 9), Alvin Gentry acknowledged that Anthony Davis played a pivotal role in bringing Julius Randle to the New Orleans Pelicans.

But the Pelicans coach also wanted to dispel a rumor he heard about All-Star center DeMarcus Cousins leaving New Orleans and shockingly signing with the Golden State Warriors:

"Someone said A.D. didn't want DeMarcus back, and that couldn't be further from the truth," Gentry said. "I don't know where that came about, but it couldn't be further from the truth."
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Despite Cousins' claims that the Pelicans didn't want him back, Gentry said the team doesn't have any hard feelings about his decision and they "wish him nothing but the best" with the Warriors.

"He was great for us. Everyone forgets that we won eight out of 10 games before he went down," Gentry said of Cousins. "With free agency, there are so many things that are involved in it. ... I think he was good for us, put up big numbers for us, created a ton of mismatches for our situation.

"I know he'll do well. He's in a great organization now. He's just got to get himself healthy."
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"I think A.D. is becoming the leader of this team," Gentry said. "I think he stepped up big time last year from a leadership standpoint, and I think he'll just continue to get better. I'm not worried about that part of it."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2018, 10:40:56 PM
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Free-agent forward Luc Mbah a Moute has agreed to a one-year, $4.3 million deal with the Los Angeles Clippers, league sources told ESPN.

The Clippers are paying Mbah a Moute the balance of their midlevel exception, bringing him back to the franchise after a season away with the Houston Rockets.

The Rockets have lost Mbah a Moute, 31, and Trevor Ariza, and plan to ramp up a pursuit of Carmelo Anthony once he becomes available after a trade and buyout, or waive and stretch, with Oklahoma City, league sources told ESPN.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Nola on July 10, 2018, 08:06:00 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 09, 2018, 08:27:04 PM
NOLA ANXIETY WATCH: https://www.nola.com/pelicans/index.ssf/2018/07/alvin_gentry_demarcus_cousins.html
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When speaking to reporters at the Las Vegas Summer League Monday (July 9), Alvin Gentry acknowledged that Anthony Davis played a pivotal role in bringing Julius Randle to the New Orleans Pelicans.

But the Pelicans coach also wanted to dispel a rumor he heard about All-Star center DeMarcus Cousins leaving New Orleans and shockingly signing with the Golden State Warriors:

"Someone said A.D. didn't want DeMarcus back, and that couldn't be further from the truth," Gentry said. "I don't know where that came about, but it couldn't be further from the truth."
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Despite Cousins' claims that the Pelicans didn't want him back, Gentry said the team doesn't have any hard feelings about his decision and they "wish him nothing but the best" with the Warriors.

"He was great for us. Everyone forgets that we won eight out of 10 games before he went down," Gentry said of Cousins. "With free agency, there are so many things that are involved in it. ... I think he was good for us, put up big numbers for us, created a ton of mismatches for our situation.

"I know he'll do well. He's in a great organization now. He's just got to get himself healthy."
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"I think A.D. is becoming the leader of this team," Gentry said. "I think he stepped up big time last year from a leadership standpoint, and I think he'll just continue to get better. I'm not worried about that part of it."

Yeah in a couple of interviews now Gentry seems to have thrown some passive aggressive shade at Demps. It seems clear he is disappointed DeMarcus wasn’t resigned and he wasn’t really consulted on it. Which is a running theme with Demps.

Still think Rondo is going to hurt the worst.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 10, 2018, 11:18:11 AM
I understood letting Trevor Ariza go. If Phoenix is gonna overpay him like that, there isn't much you can do but letting Luc Mbah A Moute go for that makes less sense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (July 1 : Free Agency begins)
Post by: benjipwns on July 10, 2018, 11:36:59 AM
they seem to be under the impression that Melo will play defense like those two did in their super-switchy scheme instead of just staying home on his man and yelling at other dudes to make it work
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on July 12, 2018, 03:07:39 AM
Why would any team trying to win sign Carmelo Anthony in the year of our lord 2018? He doesn't play defense and he can't shoot from deep, and he doesn't rebound. I don't get it.

Also that LeBron billboard is like 4 miles from me, should've gone and saw it! If they wanted to get rid of it easiest way would be have someone put a gang tag on it, then you call the city and report the tag and the whole thing is gone before the end of the day.

Zach Lowe's NBA Off season winners and losers column posits the K N I C K S making a run at Durant next off season. I guess if a team as inept as the Lakers can use their mystique and name brand to lure Lebron, it could work for the Knicks, maybe.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 13, 2018, 04:07:32 AM
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Free-agent guard Isaiah Thomas has agreed to a one-year, $2 million deal with the Denver Nuggets, league sources told ESPN.

If anybody here has anything they need to get rid of, the Nets are apparently taking whatever:

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The Atlanta Hawks acquired Brooklyn Nets guard Jeremy Lin in a trade on Thursday night, league sources told ESPN.

Atlanta sends Brooklyn a 2020 second-round pick via Portland and the rights to Isaia Cordinier, league sources said. Cordinier is a 2016 second-round pick who has remained overseas.

The Nets will send the Hawks a 2025 second-round pick and the right to swap picks with the Nets in 2023, league sources said.

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The Denver Nuggets agreed to trade forwards Kenneth Faried and Darrell Arthur, a 2019 protected first-round pick and a 2020 second-round pick to the Brooklyn Nets, league sources told ESPN.

The Nuggets acquire guard Isaiah Whitehead in the trade, whom they'll waive, league sources said.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on July 13, 2018, 04:20:01 AM
Quote from: Jack Remington on July 12, 2018, 03:16:35 AM
I’m so pissed about that mural. I live right off Venice Blvd and would have loved to go see it. By the time I even found out about it, it was gone.

This means we likely live within ~5 miles of each other.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2018, 05:11:00 PM
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The Chicago Bulls have signed free-agent forward Jabari Parker, the team announced Saturday.

It's a two-year, $40 million deal, league sources told ESPN.

The agreement was consummated Saturday, moments after Milwaukee Bucks general manager Jon Horst removed the qualifying offer on the restricted free agent and allowed him to become unrestricted.

The Bucks weren't going to match a Bulls offer sheet, and the deal -- brokered with Parker's agent Mark Bartelstein -- allowed a good-faith gesture for Parker to sign a shorter deal with the Bulls.

"We really love Jabari and wanted to work with him on this, because we weren't going to match an offer sheet," Horst told ESPN.

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Minnesota Timberwolves All-Star Jimmy Butler has turned down a four-year extension worth $100 million, a league source confirmed to ESPN.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 16, 2018, 01:51:20 PM
Unfortunately, its easy to envision Isiah out of the league in a few years. I'm surprised he didn't consider overseas this go around.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 16, 2018, 03:32:19 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtV0xtAHps4

Denzel and he got game talk.

I love that movie.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: agrajag on July 16, 2018, 03:32:54 PM
Is this IT's fourth team in three seasons? Poor guy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on July 16, 2018, 11:06:06 PM
https://twitter.com/Anthonysmdoyle/status/1018909690904784896
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 17, 2018, 06:50:12 PM
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The Sacramento Kings have traded guard Garrett Temple to the Memphis Grizzlies for guard Ben McLemore, forward Deyonta Davis, a 2021 second-round draft pick and cash.

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Nemanja Bjelica, who had agreed to a one-year deal with the Philadelphia 76ers, informed the team Tuesday that he will stay in Europe this season, league sources told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 18, 2018, 06:15:47 AM
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The Toronto Raptors are finalizing a deal to acquire San Antonio Spurs star Kawhi Leonard in a trade package that includes All-Star DeMar DeRozan, league sources told ESPN.

An agreement in principle could be reached as soon as Wednesday, league sources said.

Leonard and DeRozan are both aware that an agreement could be imminent, and neither is expressing enthusiasm for the deal, league sources said.

Toronto and San Antonio have been talking about the trade for two weeks, and several incarnations of packages have been discussed, league sources said.

Sources close to DeRozan told ESPN's Chris Haynes that DeRozan met with Toronto brass in Las Vegas during summer league and was told he would not be traded.

Raptors president of basketball operations Masai Ujiri is taking a significant risk in pursuing the trade. Ujiri will make the deal with a determination that he can sell Leonard on re-signing with the Raptors next summer in free agency, sources said. Toronto would be able to offer Leonard a five-year, $190 million contract next summer. If Leonard left the Raptors, he could sign a four-year, $141 million deal with a team with the available salary-cap space.

Leonard has been clear that he plans to sign with the Los Angeles Lakers in free agency next summer.

DeRozan has three years and $83 million left on his contract, including an Early Termination Option for the 2020-21 season.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24126943/san-antonio-spurs-toronto-raptors-finalizing-deal-involving-kawhi-leonard-demar-derozan
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 18, 2018, 06:26:52 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/H0NoJge.png)


http://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/demar-derozan-wiping-out-instagram-trade-speculation/454271
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 18, 2018, 08:52:47 AM
Pretty smart move by Toronto. Gives them a year to attempt to convince Kawhi to stay there. About the only way they will ever attract a good free agent.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 18, 2018, 11:17:53 AM
They gave you $150 million bro, and you've been there what eight, nine seasons? :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on July 18, 2018, 11:19:22 AM
Call him ungrateful benji.

Do it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Akala on July 18, 2018, 11:52:27 AM
I don't think I'm high on the trade, but tbh they probably had hit their ceiling over the last few years and they know it, so why not spice it up? 

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Nola on July 18, 2018, 12:03:18 PM
Hearing that neither side is particularly happy with this trade. Understandable and I'm sure Derozan will be ok eventually, Kawhi I'm not so sure.



Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 18, 2018, 12:07:41 PM
For the Spurs I get it. I would have probably wanted to nab a younger player than Demar but outside of that, Demar was probably the best player they were gonna land. And he's right in the middle of his prime.

I think its a bit weird for the Raptors. I don't like it as one year rental, and for the long term with how unpredictable Kawhi has become it's a gamble I wouldn't make myself.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 18, 2018, 12:48:49 PM
Also another example of why player loyalty to a franchise is a silly fan driven narrative. You are basically trading a guy who embraced that franchise for a guy who publicly at least, wants nothing to do with that franchise. It's a business so shit happens, but its also why I always laugh at these jilted fanbases that forever harbor a grudge when their star wants to leave. Get over it.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi for Derozan)
Post by: benjipwns on July 18, 2018, 01:15:23 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 18, 2018, 11:19:22 AM
Call him ungrateful benji.

Do it.
DeMar Derozan is not the hill to die on for making this point Mandark, not with those career advanced stats. :bolo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi for Derozan)
Post by: benjipwns on July 18, 2018, 01:18:17 PM
Kawhi found the way to force the Spurs hand by announcing he was going to play for the US.

I have to imagine the Spurs partly picked this deal to spite the Lakers. Or at least I hope so.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi for Derozan)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 18, 2018, 05:53:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5TySVNaiRw
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi for Derozan)
Post by: Mandark on July 18, 2018, 07:49:43 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 18, 2018, 01:15:23 PM
DeMar Derozan is not the hill to die on for making this point Mandark, not with those career advanced stats. :bolo

How many divisions win shares does the Pope MLSE have?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi for Derozan)
Post by: benjipwns on July 19, 2018, 01:01:37 PM
Raptors also picked up Danny Green in the deal:
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Raptors get: Forward Kawhi Leonard and guard Danny Green

Spurs get: Guard DeMar DeRozan, center Jakob Poeltl and a protected 2019 first-round pick
Pick is Top 20 protected.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi for Derozan)
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 19, 2018, 03:28:51 PM
As a Torontonian, DeMar DeRozan reminds me of Joe Carter* (minus the rings)--nice counting stats that inflate a mediocre impact. When I tell fellow Torontonians that Joe Carter was never that good, they look at me like I'm wearing a MAGA hat.

DeMar's PER has topped 21.5 once in nine years,** and his playoff PER has never been above 18.2. DeMar has a negative ratings according to ESPN's Defensive Real Plus-Minus: he had the 429th worst on-court impact on team defensive performance in 2017 and the 467th worst in 2018. (A 39-year-old Dirk Nowitzki and a 41-year-old Vince Carter had positive ratings last year.)

*8.6 bWAR as a Jay over 7 seasons, but six 100-RBI seasons.
**Carter did it six times, four times as a Raptor.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi for Derozan)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 19, 2018, 04:39:40 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24141034/denver-nuggets-first-round-draft-pick-michael-porter-jr-second-back-surgery

 :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi for Derozan)
Post by: Nola on July 19, 2018, 05:01:13 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1020045930429583365
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi for Derozan)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 19, 2018, 05:38:11 PM
Pretty good trade for OKC. I actually like Schroder.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi for Derozan)
Post by: benjipwns on July 20, 2018, 02:42:01 AM
Schroder trade has expanded into three way:
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The Thunder will then send Muscala to the 76ers for forward Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot, and Philadelphia will send guard Justin Anderson to Atlanta, league sources said.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi for Derozan)
Post by: benjipwns on July 20, 2018, 02:43:14 AM
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On top of that, Atlanta adds a first-round pick during what ESPN's Jonathan Givony indicated last week teams are hearing could be the first year where high schoolers are eligible for the draft. That would potentially produce a so-called "double draft" in 2022 with both the one-and-done prospects from the 2021 recruiting class and 2022 high school seniors eligible.
:thinking
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi for Derozan)
Post by: benjipwns on July 20, 2018, 02:50:28 AM
(http://a4.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2018%2F0719%2Fr403297_1279x719_16%2D9.png&w=570)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi for Derozan)
Post by: Nola on July 20, 2018, 03:26:25 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 19, 2018, 05:38:11 PM
Pretty good trade for OKC. I actually like Schroder.

The more I looked in to him when it was rumored the Pels were interested, the less I liked of him. Though I was looking at him from the standpoint as a 30+ minute starter.

Though I think in the right system and as a 6th man he makes a lot more sense. Which is what I assume he will be for OKC.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi for Derozan)
Post by: Mandark on July 20, 2018, 05:42:52 PM
Michael Beasley to the Lakers!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi for Derozan)
Post by: benjipwns on July 20, 2018, 11:00:32 PM
Kings getting dudes to back out and sign with them instead:
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Yogi Ferrell has agreed to a two-year, $6.2 million deal with the Sacramento Kings, according to a Yahoo Sports report.

Earlier Friday, Ferrell backed out of his agreement with the Dallas Mavericks on a two-year, $5.3 million deal that the two sides had agreed to Thursday.

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The Sacramento Kings and forward Nemanja Bjelica have agreed to a three-year deal (first reported by Yahoo Sports). Bjelica spent the previous three seasons with the Minnesota Timberwolves, and had agreed to a deal with the Philadelphia 76ers this offseason before backing out this week

Some minor deals:
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The Brooklyn Nets acquired Jared Dudley and a 2021 second-round draft pick from the Phoenix Suns for forward Darrell Arthur on Friday.

Arthur will be waived after his $7.4 million contract is bought out

In another trade on Friday, the Suns sent $1 million to the Philadelphia 76ers to acquire center Richaun Holmes.

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The Memphis Grizzlies and free-agent guard Shelvin Mack are progressing in talks on a one-year deal, league sources told ESPN.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi for Derozan)
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 20, 2018, 11:41:46 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 20, 2018, 02:50:28 AM
(http://a4.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2018%2F0719%2Fr403297_1279x719_16%2D9.png&w=570)
I think Anthony's aging curve is pretty typical.

Anthony is just six months older than James. Making James' aging curve that more impressive.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi for Derozan)
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2018, 11:24:36 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24160730/second-mural-depicting-lebron-james-vandalized-los-angeles

I guess Jack is still working through his emotions. :trumps
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi for Derozan)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 21, 2018, 11:56:06 PM
At this point, I don't even know why this is a story. Unless your mural is basically inside a museum at night, there is gonna be somebody defacing it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi for Derozan)
Post by: benjipwns on July 23, 2018, 01:29:17 AM
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Free-agent center Alex Len has agreed to a two-year, $8.5 million contract with the Atlanta Hawks, a source confirmed to ESPN.

kinda liking the Hawks...for the shitty team I'll do franchise mode with in 2K19
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi for Derozan)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 23, 2018, 09:54:28 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24169163/nba-conversation-isaiah-thomas

Interesting read. I still have a good bit of sympathy for thomas despite how he can be his own worst enemy sometimes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi for Derozan)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on July 23, 2018, 09:45:07 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 18, 2018, 01:18:17 PM
I have to imagine the Spurs partly picked this deal to spite the Lakers. Or at least I hope so.
wouldnt the real method to spite them have been to force them to give up 2 or 3 of their young guys/picks instead of setting it up so that he signs there next offseason while they retain everyone they’ve drafted?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi for Derozan)
Post by: naff on July 23, 2018, 09:50:21 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 21, 2018, 11:24:36 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24160730/second-mural-depicting-lebron-james-vandalized-los-angeles

I guess Jack is still working through his emotions. :trumps

Kobe stans :piss2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi for Derozan)
Post by: agrajag on July 23, 2018, 09:54:33 PM
they'll get over it once LeBron starts putting in the work in LA
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi for Derozan)
Post by: benjipwns on July 23, 2018, 11:27:02 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on July 23, 2018, 09:45:07 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 18, 2018, 01:18:17 PM
I have to imagine the Spurs partly picked this deal to spite the Lakers. Or at least I hope so.
wouldnt the real method to spite them have been to force them to give up 2 or 3 of their young guys/picks instead of setting it up so that he signs there next offseason while they retain everyone they’ve drafted?
That was the problem, the Lakers didn't have to trade. If Kawhi didn't want to be with the Spurs anymore, with the Lakers as his preferred destination, then the Lakers controlled what the Spurs were receiving back. Spurs didn't want Ball, they were never getting Ingram.

In this instance there's the small chance the Raptors can sell Kawhi on taking the higher raise and longer contract to stay, maybe they make a Finals run, maybe he winds up liking the team/city/etc. Raptors can offer him ~$40 million more than the Lakers. If the Spurs had sent him straight to the Lakers he only lost ~$30 million off the supermax.

Raptors also have the ability to deal Kawhi again, and might be more willing than the Spurs (who wanted a player for now back) to deal with the one team the Lakers don't want anyone dealing with, the Clippers. Especially if it becomes part of the Raptors ending this era and shifting to a rebuild, the Clips have favorable contracts and can maybe take in Ibaka or Lowry too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi for Derozan)
Post by: bluemax on July 23, 2018, 11:34:35 PM
The way I understand it, is the Clippers are essentially set up to be able to offer one Max next summer and could possibly offer 2 if they dump Danilo Galinari (or don't extend Tobias Harris).

So essentially this year for them is about developing their two new guards, maintaining respectability and then clearing people out so they can make a run at Kawhi next summer.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi for Derozan)
Post by: benjipwns on July 23, 2018, 11:43:28 PM
The team Kawhi's on can offer him ~$190 million over five years*. The Lakers (or any other team) can offer him a max of ~$150 million over four years. This is the main reason they don't want him landing on the Clippers, as it'd be tough to give up $40 million just to change locker rooms in Staples. The rumor has always been that he'd prefer the Lakers, but LA in general is the main destination and the Lakers wouldn't want to risk it.

If Donald Sterling still owned the Clippers this would probably be different, but Ballmer has no real issues with paying and even overpaying to be good similar to fellow Microsoft alum Paul Allen.

*The Spurs could have resigned Kawhi for ~$225 million over five years, but only they could have done this, it's not on the table from any team now that he's been traded I don't believe.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi for Derozan)
Post by: benjipwns on July 24, 2018, 11:05:38 PM
heh, and after all that "he might bail to LA!" when they got him
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Forward Kevin Love was "very excited and obviously humbled" after signing a long-term extension with the Cleveland Cavaliers on Tuesday. Terms were not announced, but league sources told ESPN that the four-year, $120 million extension tops out his overall deal at five years, $145 million.

...

He took $8 million less than his full max as general manager Koby Altman worked with Love and agent Jeff Schwartz to keep some salary cap flexibility for the Cavaliers on the back end of the deal, when his maximum annual salary could've been in the $35 million range, league sources said.
https://twitter.com/KingJames/status/1021830049438134272
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi for Derozan)
Post by: agrajag on July 24, 2018, 11:08:02 PM
Nobu

 :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi for Derozan)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 24, 2018, 11:09:48 PM
Odd decision to double down on Love to me. That's a team that should be tearing things down. Not trying to tie themselves down.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi for Derozan)
Post by: Mandark on July 24, 2018, 11:11:34 PM
Gilbert's probably itching to prove he can win without LeBron, and maaaaaaybe Love would have more trade value now that he wouldn't be a rental. Except his contract already looks like an albatross.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi for Derozan)
Post by: benjipwns on July 24, 2018, 11:12:36 PM
https://twitter.com/3YearLetterman/status/1021830551307780096

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi for Derozan)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 24, 2018, 11:14:12 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 24, 2018, 11:11:34 PM
Except his contract already looks like an albatross.

That's my thing. Maybe Love will prove me wrong and next season he will return to being the player he was in Minnesota, but I really think the game is moving away from him. Who's wants that contract for 4 years in a trade?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi for Derozan)
Post by: benjipwns on July 24, 2018, 11:14:43 PM
https://twitter.com/Nedsfeed/status/1021831301811318784
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 25, 2018, 11:44:26 PM
https://twitter.com/CJMcCollum/status/1022278193661718528


https://twitter.com/KDTrey5/status/1022286434630131713


https://sports.yahoo.com/kevin-durant-ugly-twitter-feud-c-j-mccollum-called-move-warriors-soft-014402147.html


 :gurl
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 25, 2018, 11:48:10 PM
I just don't understand why he argues about it on twitter. I'm fine with him joining the Warriors. I'm fine with him winning titles.

But there is nothing that says you are more thin-skinned and sensitive about it than arguing with random twitter people. Maybe its just an age thing. I'm too old to understand that every generation going forward is going to be doing this, but it just seems so weak to me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi for Derozan)
Post by: Akala on July 26, 2018, 12:29:38 AM
Quote from: agrajag on July 24, 2018, 11:08:02 PM
Nobu

 :kobeyuck

Miso Cod and Yellowtail w/Jalepeno are truth.  :ohyeah  :preach

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:bolo
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi for Derozan)
Post by: agrajag on July 26, 2018, 12:34:25 AM
Quote from: Akala on July 26, 2018, 12:29:38 AM
Quote from: agrajag on July 24, 2018, 11:08:02 PM
Nobu

 :kobeyuck

Miso Cod and Yellowtail w/Jalepeno are truth.  :ohyeah  :preach

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:bolo
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Yeah, 15  years ago.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Akala on July 26, 2018, 12:45:31 AM
Classics never go out of style.  :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 26, 2018, 06:09:47 PM
https://twitter.com/3YearLetterman/status/1022294064367116288

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:bolo

https://twitter.com/3YearLetterman/status/1018328654873493504
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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 26, 2018, 09:10:35 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjB4-rJX4AI2TSj?format=jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on July 26, 2018, 10:05:15 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 25, 2018, 11:48:10 PM
I just don't understand why he argues about it on twitter. I'm fine with him joining the Warriors. I'm fine with him winning titles.

But there is nothing that says you are more thin-skinned and sensitive about it than arguing with random twitter people. Maybe its just an age thing. I'm too old to understand that every generation going forward is going to be doing this, but it just seems so weak to me.

it's really hilarious and weird. at least he's doing it under his own account now. but hey, elon musk is pushing 50, so i don't think 'flying off on twitter' is an age thing
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on July 26, 2018, 10:52:10 PM
https://twitter.com/KyleNeubeck/status/1022554865103454209

 :fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 26, 2018, 11:26:24 PM
Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on July 26, 2018, 10:05:15 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 25, 2018, 11:48:10 PM
I just don't understand why he argues about it on twitter. I'm fine with him joining the Warriors. I'm fine with him winning titles.

But there is nothing that says you are more thin-skinned and sensitive about it than arguing with random twitter people. Maybe its just an age thing. I'm too old to understand that every generation going forward is going to be doing this, but it just seems so weak to me.

it's really hilarious and weird. at least he's doing it under his own account now. but hey, elon musk is pushing 50, so i don't think 'flying off on twitter' is an age thing

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24203681/kevin-durant-golden-state-warriors-says-grown-weary-how-media-portrayed-sensitive-one

Quote
"Oh yeah," Durant, speaking after USA Basketball practice, said when asked if he was tired of people telling him to be quiet. "I mean, it is just to the point that I know what you're upset at. Just say it instead of make excuses. Know what I'm saying? I got too many texts or I talk too much on Instagram or I talk too much on Twitter or I don't know how to talk to my teammates, or I am angry or insecure or sensitive. Tell me what the real problem is.

"Because every time I say something, I go about my business, and when I say something, House of Highlights and Bleacher Report [mash] it all up and y'all run with it, and as soon as I say something back, I'm the sensitive one. I mean, I know y'all trying to make me look crazy and discredit me and strip me of my credibility. But I see what you doing. But I'm going to still keep standing.

He completely misses the point to try to make his point.  :doge

It's how he goes about it and what he says that makes him look crazy. Not the "media". And the media does indeed suck about nearly everything and especially so in sports media. But this one isn't on them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 01, 2018, 02:46:36 AM
Lakers are going back to Showtime:
(http://a3.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2018%2F0731%2Fr408157_2_608x342_16%2D9.jpg&w=608&h=342&scale=crop&cquality=80&location=origin)

ESPN is so shameless sometimes :lol
Quote
COULD KOBE MAKE A COMEBACK TO LAKERS?

Domonique Foxworth sees Kobe Bryant being a valuable teacher to young Lakers players if he made a comeback.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 03, 2018, 12:26:31 PM
Pelton win projections: http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/24246576/projected-nba-win-totals-playoff-standings-all-30-teams-2018-19

East:
1. TOR (55-27), 2. BOS (53-29), 3. PHI (48-34), 4. IND (46-36), 5. MIL (45-37), 6. MIA (45-37), 7. WAS (44-38), 8. DET (39-43)
9. CHA (38-44), 10. BRK (37-45), 11. ORL (34-48), 12. CLE (31-51), 13. NYK (31-51), 14. CHI (28-54), 15. ATL (26-56)

West:
1. GSW (59-23), 2. UTA (53-29), 3. HOU (53-29), 4. DEN (51-31), 5. MIN (50-32), 6. OKC (47-35), 7. NOP (44-38), 8. POR (42-40)
9. LAL (41-41), 10. SAS (39-43), 11. LAC (36-46), 12. MEM (33-49), 13. DAL (32-50), 14. PHO (27-55). 15. SAC (25-57)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on August 03, 2018, 02:13:41 PM
Chicago and Oklahoma City are better than that. First reaction is :mjlol @ Toronto ahead of Boston but that might not even be wrong for the regular season. I think Houston looks about right, they’re definitely worse than they were a year ago, but still the second best team in the conference. Denver might win close to 50 but they’re losing in the first no matter who they pull.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 03, 2018, 04:16:20 PM
Spurs were 47-35 last year without Kawhi and they add Derozan and they project to 39-43. That would surprise me.

I also think the Lakers can be better than 500. I think Phoenix can hit in the 30's in wins also even if its the low 30's.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 07, 2018, 09:50:33 AM
Quote
Free-agent big man Greg Monroe has agreed to a one-year, $2.2 million contract with the Toronto Raptors, according to multiple reports.

Also Cavs getting LeBron replacement:
Quote
The Cleveland Cavaliers are finalizing a trade to acquire Los Angeles Clippers forward Sam Dekker, league sources told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski on Sunday.

The two sides were working out the parameters of the exchange, which could include cash or future considerations, sources said. But Cleveland will not be trading a player back to the Clippers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 12, 2018, 01:17:45 AM
https://streamable.com/m1omh

 :leon
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on August 14, 2018, 02:40:35 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24365520/bruce-bowen-la-clippers-game-analyst
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 15, 2018, 10:12:04 AM
https://twitter.com/AdamSpolane/status/1029492153121001472
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 31, 2018, 10:45:48 AM
Quote
Houston Rockets get: Power forward Marquese Chriss and point guard Brandon Knight

Phoenix Suns get: Power forward Ryan Anderson and draft rights to guard De'Anthony Melton
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 31, 2018, 10:47:01 AM
https://twitter.com/MettaWorldPeace/status/1035529368439644165
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on September 02, 2018, 10:18:49 AM
https://twitter.com/balldontstop/status/1035583220585099264
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on September 03, 2018, 12:35:04 AM
Quote
Luol Deng agreed to a significant give-back of $7.5 million in his contract buyout with the Los Angeles Lakers, clearing $38 million in salary cap space for 2019 free agency, league sources told ESPN.

...

Deng's buyout leaves him with $29 million for the two years left on his contract, which the Lakers will use the waive and stretch provision to soften the short-term salary cap hit. The significant money that Deng, 33, gave up reflects how determined he's been to continue his career elsewhere. The Lakers could've waited until next summer to use the waive and stretch provision without Deng's financial concessions.

But Deng wouldn't have any incentive to do a buyout next summer, knowing the Lakers would need to do so in order to create a max contract slot. His incentive this year was to create an opportunity to play elsewhere this year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on September 15, 2018, 11:09:29 PM
https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/1041090853626949632
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on September 20, 2018, 08:38:06 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24733577/jimmy-butler-minnesota-timberwolves-seeking-trade-brooklyn-nets-la-clippers-new-york-knicks
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Jimmy Butler told Minnesota president of basketball operations and coach Tom Thibodeau that he would like to be traded before reporting for Timberwolves media day on Monday and prefers the possibility of the Clippers -- as well as the New York Knicks, league sources said. Butler told the Timberwolves that he planned to leave the franchise in free agency next summer, sources said.

The Brooklyn Nets' ability to sign two max free agents in the summer will keep them in consideration for Butler, but he has prioritized the Clippers and Knicks over them, league sources said.
Quote
In any circumstance, Butler wants a trade to a team that plans to sign him to a five-year, maximum contract that could be worth $190 million in the summer, and his list could expand based upon the Timberwolves' and rival teams' willingness to negotiate a trade for him, league sources said.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on September 20, 2018, 10:56:02 AM
I like Butler. I don't want my team to give Butler a max contract and make him the focus of our offense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 23, 2018, 03:01:45 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24766934/minnesota-timberwolves-owner-glen-taylor-wants-jimmy-butler-trade-done-quickly

Quote
Taylor and Butler want a deal completed before the Timberwolves' first day of practice on Tuesday, which would require the Timberwolves to use Sunday and Monday to become more aggressive in gathering offers. Taylor's plan would be to sift through the offers, and bring those most appealing for Minnesota back to Butler and his agent, Bernie Lee. This way, the Wolves could learn which teams would interest Butler in signing an extension next summer, which is information that would allow the Wolves to get the best possible return on assets for Butler.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on September 23, 2018, 03:11:40 AM
Kinda crazy how fast this went from zero to sixty, apparently he had been feuding with KAT and Wiggins all last season and we never really heard about it. Also, that Scott Layden has a job in the NBA again even if Thibs oversees him.

Also also:
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The list of organizations interested in talking further with Minnesota is significant, league sources said: Brooklyn, Detroit, Houston, the LA Clippers, Miami and Philadelphia are among the teams interested in probing for deals.
What are they going to offer? Andre? :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 02, 2018, 11:24:01 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24846824/zach-lowe-2018-19-nba-league-pass-rankings-part-1
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24857619/zach-lowe-2018-19-nba-league-pass-rankings-part-2
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 03, 2018, 02:07:17 AM
I know its childish on my part but its hard for me to watch Lebron play for the Lakers and care the way I use to. Hopefully it passes after a few months and I can just enjoy the basketball.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 05, 2018, 12:58:16 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24897221/bob-voulgaris-hired-dallas-mavericks-director-quantitative-research-development

I wonder if Simmons is secretly a little jealous of his buddy here. I mean as jealous as any millionaire could be.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 12, 2018, 01:21:14 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UfSE2UmTvc

over/under podcast is always a bit of fun.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 16, 2018, 11:25:39 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUoyJlNcNzc

And the new season is finally here.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Openers tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 16, 2018, 11:42:20 AM
Yeah. The more preseason I watched, the more I got use to Lebron with the Lakers. The team as constructed has problems but they will at least be more entertaining to watch than the Cavs were last season. They run. They have a number of people who can playmake and dribble so its just won't be Lebron 24/7 like it was in Cleveland. It should be more like the Miami years (although obviously not remotely as good)

As bad as I expect the Cavs to be, I'm still morbidly curious to see them so I will probably split my season focus with the Cavs and the Lakers.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Openers tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 16, 2018, 01:00:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaWRlXjoGvw

The ringer nba live all day.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Openers tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 16, 2018, 06:11:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l7j4Jp9dM0
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Openers tonight)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on October 16, 2018, 08:24:34 PM
that Gordon Hayward LoL commercial omg  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Openers tonight)
Post by: benjipwns on October 17, 2018, 01:14:22 AM
Quote from: Glen on October 16, 2018, 06:57:44 PM
Quote from: Exodust on October 16, 2018, 06:30:08 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 16, 2018, 11:42:20 AM
Yeah. The more preseason I watched, the more I got use to Lebron with the Lakers. The team as constructed has problems but they will at least be more entertaining to watch than the Cavs were last season. They run. They have a number of people who can playmake and dribble so its just won't be Lebron 24/7 like it was in Cleveland. It should be more like the Miami years (although obviously not remotely as good)

As bad as I expect the Cavs to be, I'm still morbidly curious to see them so I will probably split my season focus with the Cavs and the Lakers.

Friendship over with Green Shinobi, now Stoney Mason is my best friend.

Can't we all just be friends?
The Revolutionary Lakers Party of Los Angeles has unfortunately found some disturbing past statements in your record regarding the new Party Point-Secretary of the Central Starting Five Committee that implies deviationist thought. A struggle session may be helpful in your rehabilitation.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Openers tonight)
Post by: benjipwns on October 17, 2018, 01:55:28 AM
https://twitter.com/KerithBurke/status/1051952357221617664

what's this "we" stuff? pretty sure Blaha (PUBH) was getting it right from day one smh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Openers tonight)
Post by: benjipwns on October 17, 2018, 08:33:44 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DorZsotUcAAvMsJ.jpg)

 :gladbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Openers tonight)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 17, 2018, 03:02:23 PM
Shai’s legit good too. Prob the best pg from this draft
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Openers tonight)
Post by: Nola on October 17, 2018, 10:29:13 PM
Pels opening game:

 :whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Openers tonight)
Post by: Beezy on October 17, 2018, 10:35:33 PM
This Trier kid might be a steal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Openers tonight)
Post by: benjipwns on October 18, 2018, 03:09:08 AM
https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/1052782714242428928

goat
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Openers tonight)
Post by: benjipwns on October 18, 2018, 03:12:18 AM
https://twitter.com/World_Wide_Wob/status/1052781425739685888
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Openers tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 18, 2018, 08:59:16 AM
Watched a few games last night. The Spurs were still the spurs. Even with everybody hurt they still played well and Derozan fits them perfectly.

The Suns are definitely a fun team to watch. They may still not make the playoffs this seasons, but they have a nice future core there.

Also caught the Cavs game. Unsurprisingly that team is gonna struggle with Kevin Love being the #1 focus on offense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Openers tonight)
Post by: Brehvolution on October 18, 2018, 11:08:39 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 18, 2018, 03:12:18 AM
https://twitter.com/World_Wide_Wob/status/1052781425739685888

That's not even fair.  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Openers tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 18, 2018, 12:21:11 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25015812/g-league-offer-professional-path-elite-prospects-not-wanting-go-one-done-route-ncaa

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In a move that could challenge the NCAA's monopoly on elite talent, the NBA's G League is creating a new venture as an alternative to the one-and-done route for the best American basketball prospects, league president Malcolm Turner told ESPN.

As part of a newly formed "professional path" starting in the summer of 2019, the G League will offer "Select Contracts" worth $125,000 to elite prospects who are at least 18 years old but not yet eligible for the NBA draft. It will target recent or would-be high school graduates who otherwise would have likely spent just one season playing college basketball, enticing them not only with a six-figure salary but also the opportunity to benefit from NBA infrastructure, as well as a bevy of off-court development programs "geared towards facilitating and accelerating their transition to the pro game," Turner said.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Openers tonight)
Post by: Steve Contra on October 18, 2018, 06:34:35 PM
Fuck that's great news. Anything to fuck with the NCAA I'm all for.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Openers tonight)
Post by: Kara on October 18, 2018, 06:50:02 PM
Just get rid of the age minimum. :yuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Openers tonight)
Post by: Steve Contra on October 18, 2018, 06:59:32 PM
Yeah of course, but that requires a new CBA if I'm not mistaken.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Openers tonight)
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 19, 2018, 01:35:34 AM
Is that enough money to compete with NCAA? There was a recent court case that revealed that a B-grade prospect was offered 6 figures to play for Creighton.

Creighton.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Openers tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 20, 2018, 01:17:15 AM
Great Jazz Warriors game.


https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1053513367133003776

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Openers tonight)
Post by: benjipwns on October 20, 2018, 03:56:24 AM
smh at that pronunciation
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Openers tonight)
Post by: benjipwns on October 20, 2018, 03:58:13 AM
IT CONTINUES

https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/1053510522639917056
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Openers tonight)
Post by: Mandark on October 21, 2018, 01:55:17 AM
Punches thrown at the Lakers/Rockets game between Rondo, CP3, and Ingram.

It's unacceptable that this happened on an ESPN night and not a TNT one. Getting cheated out of a really fun post show.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Openers tonight)
Post by: Beezy on October 21, 2018, 02:10:36 AM
https://twitter.com/espn/status/1053874632787484673

https://twitter.com/AskTrillAC/status/1053876236156633088
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season Openers tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 21, 2018, 10:45:45 PM
I was watching that Lakers game. Rondo is the most immature "veteran" I've seen in quite awhile. Way to toss away a close game. At least Ingram has an age excuse for being stupid in that situation.

You can see Lebron holding back because he doesn't want to be the same guy he was in Cleveland but its tough sometimes.

Speaking of Cleveland.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnZVCJqfyuk


Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 22, 2018, 03:25:25 AM
I never knew this before, but when Elvin Hayes played with the Rockets while they were still in San Diego, he played with just E or "E" on the back of his jersey. :lol
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWibvjeW4AA1EZk.jpg:large)

The other is a picture of a Bullets season when he just had "elvin" in all lowercase as his name on the back.

It also SPREAD, as this random Maryland guard, Howard White, copied it for two of the same seasons including the version with the quotation marks :dead
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWgRRCFU8AAYr_k.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 22, 2018, 03:28:38 AM
https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/1054203038725013504
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2018, 03:49:37 AM
wtf Boban played less than a minute? FIRE DOC RIVERS
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 25, 2018, 03:30:49 AM
Basketball Reasons were because Dell Demps is a lousy GM (https://www.si.com/nba/2018/10/24/david-stern-adam-silver-lebron-james-chris-paul-donald-trump-lakers-hornets):
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Stern, speaking in an in-depth interview with Sports Illustrated, said he didn't do a good job of explaining his reasoning for the trade veto at the time.

"There was a trade that Dell Demps wanted us to approve, and I said heck no, but he had told Daryl Morey and Mitch Kupchak he had authority to do it and he didn't," Stern said of the Houston Rockets' general manager and the former Los Angeles Lakers GM. "I said no. We just settled a lockout and you want me to approve a basketball trade?"

Despite a wave of heavy reaction, Stern did not waver in his decision.

"[Demps] had agreed to [trade Paul to the Lakers for] Kevin Martin and Luis Scola or something, and I said we can do better than that," Stern said, "... And the next trade was [to the LA Clippers for] Eric Gordon and Al-Farouq Aminu and what we thought was a really great draft pick, the 10th pick, which turned out to be Austin Rivers. At least those three and someone else [center Chris Kaman].

"But Dell Demps is a lousy general manager and none of those players are currently with the team anymore, and he may lose Anthony Davis," Stern said.

"I did it because I was protecting the then-Hornets," Stern said of the 2011 veto. "... To this day, everyone always asks me, 'Well why did you keep Chris Paul from going to the Lakers?' I didn't keep him. I didn't approve the trade. No team sells or trades a future Hall of Famer without the owner signing off, and I was the owner's rep.

"But I wasn't going to hand up Dell Demps."
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 25, 2018, 11:03:36 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqT4aHEWkAA_2tV.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 25, 2018, 12:12:22 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5K_1FU2AEm8
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Akala on October 25, 2018, 01:19:07 PM
RE: Stern I don't think he's wrong, although I remember people around here feeling for CP when it got denied.

Also thinking we lose AD next year unless he can somehow find a way to beat the dubs himself.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 25, 2018, 01:27:22 PM
The lakers are a fun mess to watch this year
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 25, 2018, 02:17:59 PM
Quote from: Glen on October 25, 2018, 01:09:09 PM
Efficiency was probably wack compared to Steph's though.
tbf, everyone’s is
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 26, 2018, 02:47:43 AM
Quote
The Houston Rockets are making a renewed bid to acquire Minnesota Timberwolves All-Star Jimmy Butler, including four future first-round draft picks in their most recent offer, league sources told ESPN.
All-In Always Morey :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2018, 07:34:13 PM
(http://media.video-cdn.espn.com/gifs/gif/DEN_GSW_4Q_Jokic_Score_2gif.gif)

lmao jokic is unfair
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 28, 2018, 12:56:44 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25106070/cavaliers-fire-coach-tyronn-lue-0-6-start

Can't say I was much of a Lue fan but honestly that team was a dumpster of garbage no matter who was going to coach it.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2018, 07:24:38 PM
I think it might have been an actual mutual kind of thing, as in more so than teams normally say, he was obviously there to coach with LeBron but they didn't want to dismiss him as soon as LeBron left. Starting 0-6 instead of like 2-4 or 4-2 was a great chance to get this out of the way early. Sounded like they're just going ahead and paying him the last years left on his deal rather than negotiating anything.

Now he can pop up somewhere later this season or for next rather than hanging around losing. Like Minnesota when Thibs finally has his stroke.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 31, 2018, 01:59:00 AM
https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1057482118736027650
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 31, 2018, 02:54:48 AM
Guys Hield might actually be good
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Brehvolution on October 31, 2018, 02:37:32 PM
https://twitter.com/KOCOKeating/status/1057395908172746752
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 31, 2018, 11:50:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_4j24P3QyM
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on November 01, 2018, 12:16:30 AM
DROSE DROSE DROSE
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 04, 2018, 09:05:23 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytBLKK59jjw
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: agrajag on November 04, 2018, 11:27:19 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bpw7zeohMVg/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=ifevlysdbv7h
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 04, 2018, 03:24:08 PM
This was all obvious.

https://twitter.com/joevardon/status/1059070232164253697
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 05, 2018, 11:26:58 PM
Isaiah is the most old guy yells at cloud analyst on tv right now. NBAtv has him on for 5 minutes during warriors grizzlies and he spends all of it bitching about how coaches “don’t teach defense anymore” which is why everyone’s averaging 130 a game
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 05, 2018, 11:42:45 PM
Sure, but isaiah’s been at this for years now. It reminds me of that moment in the 2012 general election when mitt was like “if we’re so strong, then why don’t we have a billion more aircraft carriers?” and then Obama goes, “because the nature of military engagement has changed since the Cold War, dumbass.” It’s not a substantive critique because there are never any specifics that get pulled up, it’s an appeal to a hard nosed, dadgummit ethical stance over against those in power, presumably because those people are pussies but really because they just happen to occupy the position that you feel you deserve/could run better.

But what I really wanna talk about is how my fears from last year that players only would turn into a boring conventional play by play show have borne fruit. Greg Anthony refuses to shut the fuck up and they’re calling every single play like every other ham and egg crew would, as if that’s what anyone cares to listen to
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Brehvolution on November 07, 2018, 10:28:42 AM
https://deadspin.com/after-all-that-nonsense-lamelo-ball-is-going-back-to-h-1830261464

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It’s been quite a stretch for LaMelo, and middle Ball brother LiAngelo, since their dad apparently took the Lakers’ selection of Lonzo with the second overall pick in the 2017 NBA draft as certification of all his worst, most reckless impulses toward megalomaniacal sports-dad flailing. From being yanked out of their respective schools—Chino Hills High for LaMelo, UCLA for LiAngelo—to go play on a shitty Lithuanian pro team, to generally sucking ass on that shitty Lithuanian team (LaMelo couldn’t even get steady playing time there), to their dad yanking their shitty Lithuanian team out of its league to participate in exhibitions for his shitty, dumb, TJ Maxx–ass shoe brand, to their dad abruptly yanking them off the shitty Lithuanian team, to their dad attempting to press them into service for his deeply half-assed and predictably deadbeat barnstorming semipro boys’ league, they are having an extremely normal one.

 :neogaf :sabu :mueller
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 07, 2018, 12:50:53 PM
Cavs on that 1-81 tank for Zion.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 07, 2018, 02:32:59 PM
Zach Lowe drives over and backs the truck up over the body of John Wall and the 85% of the cap to three players Wizards: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25187751/zach-lowe-john-wall-bradley-beal-washington-wizards-nba
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 07, 2018, 02:35:39 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on November 07, 2018, 02:32:59 PM
Zach Lowe drives over and backs the truck up over the body of John Wall and the 85% of the cap to three players Wizards: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25187751/zach-lowe-john-wall-bradley-beal-washington-wizards-nba

I agree with him. Wall will never win shit. Ever.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 07, 2018, 08:44:00 PM
IT HAS BEGUN NBA

https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/1060334044171436032
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 08, 2018, 10:39:00 AM
two weeks in and I was sure the mvp sweepstakes was a four man race between kawhi, ad, giannis and jokic, but now we’re three weeks in and the raptors have shown that they don’t need their best player to be the second best team in the league, ad as hasn’t looked superhuman(consistently) and has been in and out of the lineup, it’s pretty clear that Denver isn’t gonna use jokic in enough volume (and he’s also way too passive; had literally one fga last night), so that pretty much leaves giannis as the one guy who puts up numbers and whose team is good and whose team needs him. But the mvp is equally a media cycle award, and idk if he generates that much jazz. Other guys that look like they got an outside shot are dame, Embiid, and kemba.

Westbrook and harden already had their turns, and both their teams blow right now. Curry and Durant can’t win it just on principle (I also don’t think their numbers are gonna stay this inflated, esp. curry). Lebrons punting this year. So someone new’s gonna get it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 08, 2018, 11:20:38 AM
Best story in the NBA right now is the D Rose redemption arch. Good for the NBA.

But here's a truthfact, I know that cat, and he's a fucking deviant asshole. Total fucking asshole.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: BisMarckie on November 08, 2018, 11:23:46 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 08, 2018, 11:20:38 AM
Best story in the NBA right now is the D Rose redemption arch. Good for the NBA.

But here's a truthfact, I know that cat, and he's a fucking deviant asshole. Total fucking asshole.

Everything I have heard about him is that he was a nice kid when he was drafted, but he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed and his brother is constantly manipulating him. :yeshrug
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 08, 2018, 11:26:23 AM
Quote from: KennyLoggins on November 08, 2018, 11:23:46 AM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 08, 2018, 11:20:38 AM
Best story in the NBA right now is the D Rose redemption arch. Good for the NBA.

But here's a truthfact, I know that cat, and he's a fucking deviant asshole. Total fucking asshole.

Everything I have heard about him is that he was a nice kid when he was drafted, but he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed and his brother is constantly manipulating him. :yeshrug

Never met his brother and maybe ive seen him during a few bad days, but my take is solid, he's a cunt.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 08, 2018, 12:05:57 PM
Quote from: riotous on November 08, 2018, 11:53:41 AM
I didn't know JaMarcus Russel posted here.

Got any lean breh? Asking for a friend :-)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2018, 08:20:18 PM
i wish he'd go back to posting the elaborately designed custom image macros for his goofy opinions instead of just video clips

https://twitter.com/stephenasmith/status/1060672760576393216
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Akala on November 09, 2018, 09:38:02 AM
Maybe I am a sucker, but I love city edition day.  :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2018, 11:25:56 AM
now that they've done it a few years they should start at least letting teams keep ones they like rather than having to do new ones

you can tell the teams that were like "nah, we're alright with what we've got" like the kings just replaced a logo with text, and the Pistons just putting a stupid looking road stripe down the middle of their jersey

THE LAND ones were way better than the Cavs trying to remind people of the Fratello-Shawn Kemp days
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2018, 11:28:02 AM
then again, i could get behind them requiring a jersey that uses the teams worst design in franchise history, and mashes them up if there's multiple ones

would totally look forward to a Hawks/Pistons game

spoiler (click to show/hide)
i already try to pick the worst possible jersey available in 2K when i play my one friend online because he hates it enough to complain about it every time :doge
[close]
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on November 10, 2018, 12:58:30 PM
Butler to the 76ers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2018, 01:00:13 PM
Quote
Zach Lowe
@ZachLowe_NBA

Deal includes both Robert Covington and Dario Saric, sources tell ESPN
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2018, 01:21:56 PM
Full deal:
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The Timberwolves will receive a package that includes Robert Covington, Dario Saric, Jerryd Bayless and a second-round pick, sources said, and Minnesota will also send Justin Patton to Philadelphia.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 10, 2018, 01:29:49 PM
Saric has been terrible this season. Covington isn’t that great either. Has jimmy voiced what he’s planning on doing in the free agency market next offseason? Wonder if the sixers’ll be able to keep him
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 10, 2018, 01:31:54 PM
Also, this team now has an even bigger shooting problem. Embiid’ll be dragged further out the paint
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2018, 01:34:45 PM
Multiple NBA people on Twitter indicating the rumor is his camp probably did some suggesting that he'll take their supermax offer or Sixers might not have traded.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2018, 01:42:40 PM
Clips probably not as excited about their decent start now considering both their main targets new situations.

Especially since Boban can go to them for the super-team-up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Akala on November 10, 2018, 03:25:03 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on November 10, 2018, 11:25:56 AM
now that they've done it a few years they should start at least letting teams keep ones they like rather than having to do new ones

you can tell the teams that were like "nah, we're alright with what we've got" like the kings just replaced a logo with text, and the Pistons just putting a stupid looking road stripe down the middle of their jersey

It's kinda already happening, but I think we'll start to see more recycling for things that prove popular, similar to colorways sneaker market. Editions are cool but are a blatant cash grab...they can likely make even more not keeping popular designs around for too long in order to cycle designs around and bank when they bring them back every few years.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: agrajag on November 10, 2018, 04:50:39 PM
Fuck the Sixers, fuck Timberwolves and fuck Thib.  :maf  :sheik
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 10, 2018, 06:16:02 PM
https://twitter.com/HoHighlights/status/1061396469951934464
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 10, 2018, 08:19:28 PM
Cavs starting lineup tonight (due to injuries)


Thompson
Nance
Hood
Jr Smith
Sexton

 :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on November 10, 2018, 11:09:00 PM
If the Heat keep playing like this, just trade Dragic and Whiteside around the ASB, tank, and just let Wade run the offense till the end of the season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 11, 2018, 07:06:36 AM
If The Sixers know whats good for them they'll have Butler onball guard Fultz every time he crosses half court......
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 11, 2018, 09:55:30 AM
Quote from: El Babua on November 10, 2018, 11:09:00 PM
If the Heat keep playing like this, just trade Dragic and Whiteside around the ASB, tank, and just let Wade run the offense till the end of the season.

Whiteside would be the perfect New York Knick.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 11, 2018, 11:28:03 PM
Quote
Tim MacMahon
@espn_macmahon

Sources: Rockets players and coaches believe that Carmelo Anthony has played his final game for the franchise.
8:14 PM - 11 Nov 2018
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 11, 2018, 11:31:52 PM
lmao Brook Lopez 8/13 from three, and a bunch of them were from like five feet past the line
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 11, 2018, 11:35:23 PM
Quote from: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25245073/adrian-wojnarowski-look-final-days-jimmy-butler-saga-nba
Thibodeau sold Taylor on passing on a strong Miami trade package, because he was sure Pat Riley would come back with a better offer, and the league would chase in a bidding frenzy for Butler.

Taylor kept doubling down, and when he hung up the phone with Philadelphia owner Josh Harris on Saturday morning, Minnesota had lost everything -- the four-time All-Star in his prime, the trade standoff, and ultimately, the trust to stay with Thibodeau and GM Scott Layden beyond this season.

Even at the expense of sullying his professional standing, Butler played them all in Minnesota -- and shamed the Timberwolves into trading him to a big market contender. The Timberwolves couldn't find a team to bail them out of this debacle, and Thibodeau couldn't sell Taylor on one more basketball game with Butler in a Timberwolves uniform.

Eventually, Thibodeau had lost hope that he could convince Butler to stay for the long term, but his ego still believed he could coach these Timberwolves into playoff contention before the February trade deadline. He underestimated this saga's impact on the rest of the team, especially his young max-contract players, as they watched Thibodeau excuse behavior and beg Butler to play games.

Minnesota desperately tried to cobble together trade offers in the past week, including extensive discussions with New Orleans, league sources said. The Pelicans are limited on tradeable assets, but desperate to find star power to keep Anthony Davis for the long run. The Pelicans wouldn't include point guard Jrue Holiday in its offer, nor multiple draft picks, league sources said.

Minnesota passed on a Miami deal weeks ago that would've included guard Josh Richardson, and the Heat never returned him into talks, sources said. Washington wouldn't offer guard Bradley Beal, sources said.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 11, 2018, 11:38:28 PM
https://youtu.be/5qMhVFkZ5es
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 11, 2018, 11:42:33 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on November 11, 2018, 11:31:52 PM
lmao Brook Lopez 8/13 from three, and a bunch of them were from like five feet past the line
he’s shooting ~42% this year on like 7 a game. He’s legit one of the leagues best three point shooters
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 11, 2018, 11:45:01 PM
best part is that he's brought back the set shot: http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=25251500
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 12, 2018, 01:19:40 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fivm5SkGaBY
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 12, 2018, 02:00:13 AM
was hoping Hawks got that one, they really interest me as a team, plus it's fun to see them starting to put their games together since they're so young, then at times it'll happen to the lineup on the floor and it'll catch decent teams resting

against the Pistons they had a Spellman-Prince-Bazermore-Young lineup plus someone I forget, and for like two minutes all the young guys plus Bazemore just started hounding guys who weren't expecting it (and aren't the best ball control fellers like Stanley Johnson or Reggie Bullock) and it'd be a steal and they'd toss it ahead and it was just threes and dunks...then they went back to bricking everything, running into each other on offense and turning it over while fouling because everyone's out of position on D but it was fun, and that was a night when Linsanity showed back up which happens randomly...

plus you've got the coaches rolling out random lineups to test things out which is fun, i've always been baffled at how often bad teams that know they're going to be bad don't do this more...i was glad to see the Knicks do this last year after Kristaps got hurt, actually they did a bit of it the year before which led to the infamous Ron Baker contract, but it went a lot better last season i thought, especially in helping build up the Pacers bench
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 12, 2018, 02:01:48 AM
like why is Trevor Ariza leading the Phoenix Suns in minutes for example
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 12, 2018, 12:15:17 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Drzx2dtXcAEm7Y6.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: agrajag on November 12, 2018, 12:17:45 PM
did Vince shrink with age
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 12, 2018, 03:08:47 PM
Quote from: agrajag on November 12, 2018, 12:17:45 PM
did Vince shrink with age

Everybody does. Spoilers....
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 12, 2018, 06:01:48 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25259058/golden-state-warriors-offer-100-monthly-passes-no-view-court

 :gurl
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 13, 2018, 06:29:27 PM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1062456965840953345
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on November 13, 2018, 07:15:29 PM
https://twitter.com/WarriorsPR/status/1062484016731832320

 :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Akala on November 13, 2018, 07:45:03 PM
Draymond seems like a pretty chill guy that wouldn't hold a grudge or let this eat at him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 14, 2018, 09:30:26 PM
lulz. Big 4th quarter collapse by the new look 76ers against the magic
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 14, 2018, 10:29:55 PM
Hot take: Jeff van gundys complaining is worse than the things he complains about
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 14, 2018, 10:57:04 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on November 14, 2018, 10:29:55 PM
Hot take: Jeff van gundys complaining is worse than the things he complains about

I was never part of the Van Gundy love brigade that happened a few years ago. I never cared for his Abe Simpson yells at cloud rants.


But don't ever criticize a coach. Everybody can be criticized except his fellow coaches.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 14, 2018, 10:59:41 PM
Serious hot take: now that we know where jimmy landed we can get a picture of how this seasons gonna look.

Toronto is clearly the best team in the east and should probably come out the conference even if/when Boston figures their shit out. Kawhi is maybe the best player on the planet right now.

Sixers transitioning rn and their roster, and probably coaching staff, is gonna be revealed to be inadequate. Jimmy is the most likely voice to initiate turnover in both departments because no one else, including the front office, has the stones.

Indiana is the same team. Charlotte is better; kembas a legit dark horse mvp candidate. Detroit’s competitive :leon. Milwaukee’s playing free and have given sniper Bropez the green light; they’re better than whoevers 4-8 in the east but just lost to Memphis tonight at home so I don’t think they’re running w/ Boston or Toronto either. Miami and Washington both fucking blow, last playoff spot is open for Orlando, brooklyn, and maybe Chicago if lauri comes back quick enough. 39 wins should be good enough.

OKC with a healthy Roberson is probably the second best team in the west. Houston’s gonna be in the playoffs somewhere even granting their slow start but they’re clearly not as good as a year ago and oddly, it’s been on offense where they’ve regressed the most. San Antonio is legit sad to watch, old man Aldridge + a roster of misfit toys; still making the playoffs, obv. Portland’s the same team. Denver and New Orleans looked like the fun new teams on the come up but they’ve both falle back down to earth since two weeks ago, at least Denver’s still winning. The only teams that are for sure out of it are Phoenix and Dallas. You’ve gotta think Sacramento’s balloon is bound to pop any minute. Either way it’s another clusterfuck around spots 6-12. At least 3 legit good (or maybe just ‘winning’) teams are gonna miss the playoffs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 14, 2018, 11:02:13 PM
Lakers defense is so bad it sucks the fun out of watching them.  :yuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 15, 2018, 12:31:58 AM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on November 14, 2018, 10:59:41 PM
Detroit’s competitive :leon.
It's an illusion. Team basically can't shoot.

I don't think Casey realizes that his real only offensive option is to go back to some of Stan's sets with Andre passing, and then let him and Blake just freelance in the high/low post, plus screening for each other, etc. because they're the some of the only two guys of their size athletic enough that you don't have to sub them out against "small ball" lineups playing two 4's or a 4 plus a stretch 5.

They need to start stealing some dudes from the Atlanta/Budenholzer 3 and D factories. Or grab a bunch of scraps from someone who wants to get under the tax.

Really, they should look at dealing with Cleveland. Jackson and Leuer in place of Hill and Clarkson could save the Cavs $8+ million. Add in Stanley Johnson and Bullock for Korver and that would drop them under the luxury tax altogether.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 15, 2018, 01:02:09 AM
After talking shit, the Lakers play their best game of the season. Lebron had a killer night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=591YceS0Euk
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: eleuin on November 15, 2018, 03:27:51 AM
After tuning out of the last few raptors seasons it feels weird to have a legitimate finals-level team

Kawhi is transcendent, even if it'll only be for a year
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Himu on November 15, 2018, 03:28:59 AM
Fucking Glen turning on to liking James after years of hate is giving me life in its satirical embrace of the pageantry in sports fandom.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Akala on November 16, 2018, 09:12:21 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 15, 2018, 01:02:09 AM
After talking shit, the Lakers play their best game of the season. Lebron had a killer night.

Keep talking shit.  :lol

I am kinda liking bron on the lakers, but my luck they'll end up bouncing the pels on outskirts of the playoffs then take AD.  :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 16, 2018, 10:19:35 AM
Quote from: Exodust on November 16, 2018, 01:09:42 AM
https://sports.yahoo.com/warriors-primary-concern-draymond-greens-conduct-detrimental-kevin-durants-future-team-053226752.html

Green to Durant: “You’re a bitch and you know you’re a bitch.....We don't need you. We won without you. Leave.”

:lawd

Know how I know nobody believed him? He took the L.

Guy is too idiotic for the league, watch him not get a max deal from anyone next year. Business matters people.

Edit: Let me tell you people who don't play with Green

KD
LeBron
Steph is done with him
Lillard
Minnesota in General
Philly don't want him
Houston won't even think about it
Giannis hates him

Good luck on that Brooklyn/Knick future breh. Moron.

Double edit: And KD isn't much better, except he's the greatest scorer in the league. That counts. He needs to stop fronting like he's edgy though, that isn't who he is.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Akala on November 16, 2018, 10:52:25 AM
I'm sure he's edgy once you get to know him.  :joker
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 16, 2018, 11:19:06 AM
Quote from: Akala on November 16, 2018, 10:52:25 AM
I'm sure he's edgy once you get to know him.  :joker

No, he isn't.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: agrajag on November 16, 2018, 04:34:27 PM
meanwhile in Florida

https://heavy.com/sports/2018/11/hassan-whiteside-buys-50k-assault-rifle-stolen/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 16, 2018, 07:03:52 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 16, 2018, 10:19:35 AM
Double edit: And KD isn't much better, except he's the greatest scorer in the league. That counts. He needs to stop fronting like he's edgy though, that isn't who he is.
Just you wait, one of these days he'll get a tattoo just outside the edges of his jersey fit and then you'll be embarrassed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 16, 2018, 08:42:27 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on November 16, 2018, 07:03:52 PM
Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 16, 2018, 10:19:35 AM
Double edit: And KD isn't much better, except he's the greatest scorer in the league. That counts. He needs to stop fronting like he's edgy though, that isn't who he is.
Just you wait, one of these days he'll get a tattoo just outside the edges of his jersey fit and then you'll be embarrassed.

Or tell somebody to fuck themselves then not apologize in private 3 minutes later. Wade still laughing about it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 17, 2018, 09:50:22 PM
Tonight is the kind of Lakers game I was referencing in my last hate post.

Getting blowing out by the Magic and surrendering 130 points.  :yuck

Garbo.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 18, 2018, 02:29:45 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEkEHzsx4-0
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 19, 2018, 02:11:54 AM
Quote
here appears to be a substantial disconnect between the Sacramento Kings’ front office and head coach Dave Joerger pertaining to the franchise’s priorities and direction, sources told Yahoo Sports.

It’s win now vs. development for the future.

Joerger’s handling of 2018 No. 2 overall pick Marvin Bagley III could eventually lead to the coach’s dismissal, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

Sources said the franchise is growing frustrated with how Joerger is distributing minutes and assigning roles to the team’s young prospects.

The front office views this season as a development year, sources said, but it was still confident that the team would be competitive and grow with Bagley, promising guard De’Aaron Fox, and forwards Harry Giles and Skal Labissiere getting meaningful minutes.

Joerger, generally regarded as one of the best X’s and O’s coaches in the league, has favored playing veteran players over developing youth, especially in crunch time.
wow! who could have seen this coming!

why'd they sign Nemanja if they wanted young guys to play? that frontcourt was already jam-packed (guy has played well though, and he fits a lot of their lineups they've been using weirdly even on defense, especially when he's shooting fucking 48% from three :lol)

also did Zach Randolph like wander off of something?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 19, 2018, 02:20:38 AM
Quote
The Grizzlies will give serious consideration to using the stretch provision to unload Chandler Parsons‘ contract after this season ends, writes Chris Herrington of The Daily Memphian.
Other than the fact that he can't seem to stay on the court, he seems like the kind of guy someone in the part of the NBA participating in such things (aka not Memphis) should kick the tires on turning into a stretch 4. Especially with his ball handling.

Sell LeBron on him being a neo-Mike Miller and we can finally get this Beasley-Parsons-Melo-Ingram-LeBron type madness happening. :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 19, 2018, 10:34:10 PM
Quote
As the Washington Wizards' season spirals, the franchise is making every player on its roster -- including All-Star guards John Wall and Bradley Beal -- available to discuss in trade scenarios, league sources told ESPN on Monday.

Washington had hopes that forwards Otto Porter and Kelly Oubre could be centerpieces of deals that could return an impactful third star, but those players have fetched minimal interest on the market. Porter has a massive contract on the books, including three years and $81 million left.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 20, 2018, 12:07:13 AM
they’re paying porter 27 million a year? drewscanlonblinking.gif
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on November 20, 2018, 12:08:45 AM
Nets gave him a ridiculous poison-pill offer sheet in restricted free agency and they matched.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on November 20, 2018, 12:10:50 AM
Nets have been damn good at sabotaging other teams by offering these contracts to RFAs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 20, 2018, 12:13:31 AM
ESPN had a little list in an article a few weeks ago:
Quote
IN 2016 AND 2017, the Brooklyn Nets handed out three offer sheets that were matched. In the wild spending summer of '16, they gave the Miami Heat's Tyler Johnson a later-matched four-year, $50 million offer and Allen Crabbe a four-year, $75 million offer that was matched by the Portland Trail Blazers. The next summer, the Nets gave a four-year, $107 million sheet to Otto Porter Jr. that the Washington Wizards matched.

To add some spice to this stroll down memory lane, Johnson later said he threw up several times when the number became public. The Wizards proverbially threw up when they saw Porter's offer-sheet details, which called for him to be paid 50 percent of his salary by Oct. 1 each year. This year, that bill was $13 million.
of course they wound up trading for Crabbe who immediately crapped the bed
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on November 25, 2018, 05:17:19 AM
Wizards beat the Pelicans and seem to be stabilizing. Maybe getting some wins under their belt will ease the tension a bit and they can work some of the locker room stuff out. Yup, things definitely seem to be looking up for the Wiz.

Oh hey, Dwight Howard's trending on Twitter, wonder if he had a highlight reel dunk in the game...
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on November 25, 2018, 10:51:17 AM
Uh, Knicks beat the Pelicans too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 25, 2018, 01:26:32 PM
Cavs beat 76'ers and Rockets back to back.

Almost beat Lakers in game before that.

 :leon
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on November 25, 2018, 07:17:09 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 25, 2018, 05:17:19 AM
Wizards beat the Pelicans and seem to be stabilizing. Maybe getting some wins under their belt will ease the tension a bit and they can work some of the locker room stuff out. Yup, things definitely seem to be looking up for the Wiz.

Oh hey, Dwight Howard's trending on Twitter, wonder if he had a highlight reel dunk in the game...

every wizards fan after a win
(https://media.tenor.com/images/28d668fb9fe9e0c59a763fc84b6e3a44/tenor.gif)

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 25, 2018, 07:46:19 PM
See Lakers in comfortable control near the end of the 2nd quarter over the magic at home. So assured of victory hop on to play some battlefield v for a little while. Hop off.

Lakers lost game. 2nd time in row to the MAGiC.

 :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on November 25, 2018, 09:29:22 PM
Knicks pulled off a 3 game win streak against the Celtics, Pelicans, and the Grizzlies. :)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on November 25, 2018, 10:02:22 PM
and had the knicks lost those three games, they'd be in the running for zion
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on November 25, 2018, 10:26:57 PM
https://twitter.com/MasinElije/status/1066522890865131520


 :supergay :supergay :supergay :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on November 25, 2018, 10:32:39 PM
Quote from: TEEEPO on November 25, 2018, 10:02:22 PM
and had the knicks lost those three games, they'd be in the running for zion
I keep hearing this kid's name, but I don't know or care about what's going on in college ball.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on November 25, 2018, 10:52:45 PM
i couldn't ask for a better filler post  :fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 26, 2018, 02:27:48 AM
https://twitter.com/NBATV/status/1066866483156836353
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 26, 2018, 02:20:35 PM
Surely the clippers’ll be able to capitalize after this hot start :goty
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on November 26, 2018, 10:06:17 PM
THAT'S MY BACKCOURT
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 27, 2018, 06:22:01 PM
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2018/1127/Montrezl1819_UPDATE.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 27, 2018, 07:12:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5wJfj4_cYI
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 29, 2018, 11:52:16 AM
Quote
Cavaliers get: Guard Alec Burks, Utah's 2020 second-round pick and Washington's 2021 second-round pick

Jazz get: Guard Kyle Korver
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 29, 2018, 12:01:58 PM
After a 2-7 start, the Mavericks are now 10-9. We've found our replacement large, white Euro. :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 29, 2018, 08:50:57 PM
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LOS ANGELES -- With the Los Angeles Lakers having lost two games in a row -- the latest being a 32-point drubbing by Denver -- they turned to Coach Herman Boone from T.C. Williams High School to give them a pep talk.

Well, the actor who played Boone, the football coach in "Remember the Titans," anyway. Lakers general manager Rob Pelinka regularly invites notable speakers in entertainment and other industries to address the team, and Denzel Washington was the latest guest in its "Genius Series" on Wednesday. His message came at a fortuitous time.

"It's great," Lakers coach Luke Walton said Thursday. "People are frustrated and angry after those types of games, so you bring in someone like Denzel, and he talks about the things he talks about, it does a nice job of lifting spirits."

Walton said the 63-year-old actor's message provided welcomed perspective to his team, which is 11-9 and hosts the Indiana Pacers on Thursday.

"Be good to people. Be thankful for what we have," Walton said, paraphrasing Washington's talk. "Start every day being humble and grateful for the lives we live and use the blessings we have to help other people."
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 29, 2018, 09:49:01 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on November 29, 2018, 08:50:57 PM
Quote
LOS ANGELES -- With the Los Angeles Lakers having lost two games in a row -- the latest being a 32-point drubbing by Denver -- they turned to Coach Herman Boone from T.C. Williams High School to give them a pep talk.

Well, the actor who played Boone, the football coach in "Remember the Titans," anyway. Lakers general manager Rob Pelinka regularly invites notable speakers in entertainment and other industries to address the team, and Denzel Washington was the latest guest in its "Genius Series" on Wednesday. His message came at a fortuitous time.

"It's great," Lakers coach Luke Walton said Thursday. "People are frustrated and angry after those types of games, so you bring in someone like Denzel, and he talks about the things he talks about, it does a nice job of lifting spirits."

Walton said the 63-year-old actor's message provided welcomed perspective to his team, which is 11-9 and hosts the Indiana Pacers on Thursday.

"Be good to people. Be thankful for what we have," Walton said, paraphrasing Washington's talk. "Start every day being humble and grateful for the lives we live and use the blessings we have to help other people."

Then he added:

Quote
Aww, you motherfuckers. Okay. Alright. I'm putting cases on all you bitches. Huh. You think you can do this shit... Jake. You think you can do this to me? You motherfuckers will be playing basketball in Pelican Bay when I get finished with you. SHU program, nicca. 23 hour lockdown. I'm the man up in this piece. You'll never see the light of... who the fuck do you think you're fucking with? I'm the police, I run shit around here. You just live here. Yeah, that's right, you better walk away. Go on and walk away... 'cause I'm gonna' burn this motherfucker down. King Kong ain't got shit on me. That's right, that's right. Shit, I don't, fuck. I'm winning anyway, I'm winning... I'm winning any motherfucking way. I can't lose. Yeah, you can shoot me, but you can't kill me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 30, 2018, 05:44:27 PM
Dwight out three months with a "back" problem.

Melo might be unofficially retiring.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 01, 2018, 10:48:02 PM
Steph was back tonight and that was supposed to fix everything. They still lost to the Pistons.

 :jawalrus


You have to take your small petty victories where you can get them before the Warriors roll to another title.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 01, 2018, 10:59:16 PM
Pistons used all their VC to buy a ton of single game boosts for Stanley Johnson to take advantage of no Draymond.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 03, 2018, 11:26:31 AM
Quote
The Chicago Bulls have fired head coach Fred Hoiberg after a 5-19 start to the season.

Associate head coach Jim Boylen has been promoted to head coach.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: BisMarckie on December 03, 2018, 11:33:40 AM
The Bulls have been a dumpster fire for 7 years now.  In every other franchise, Paxson and Foreman would have been fired years ago.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 03, 2018, 10:46:39 PM
Quote
John Paxson said the move is less about the record and more about an "energy and a spirit" that the team is lacking.
Quote
"I think as a head coach you have to demand excellence in your players," Bulls president of basketball operations John Paxson said Monday. "They will respond to that."
these fuckers :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 06, 2018, 01:02:21 AM
Lebron is crushing it in this 4th quarter against the Spurs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 06, 2018, 01:14:46 AM
It's so weird the effect Tyson Chandler has on a game. Like when you look at this numbers, they are nothing special. But man the defense is so much better when he is on the floor.

+27 for him tonight.

To be fair lonzo also plays some pretty good defense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 06, 2018, 01:35:57 AM
Compare him to Javale though:
Chandler: 9 drebs 0 tos 2 fls in 28 min = +27
McGee: 3 drebs 4 tos 4 fls 1 blk in 19 min = -21

McGee is potentially giving up 12 more points on his TOs/Fouls alone than Chandler, he's also not securing the end of as many possessions which is ~4 points.

That's just the box score stats, from experience we already know that Chandler is far less likely to blow schemes ball watching, not communicate with his teammates from behind, suddenly sprint randomly down court, etc. McGee blocks three or four times as many shots but I doubt the players, especially vets, feel as comfortable with him behind them as they do Chandler who erases so many mistakes through experienced D moves.

Speaking of the Bulls above, Robin Lopez is one guy I like watching, other than beating up mascots, who like Chandler will take those one or two subtle steps with his arms out and completely scare away dudes and blow up sets, even goof up screen plays*, all while almost never jumping during the entire game.

*And I don't mean the type of screenplay in the movies. /ClarkKellogComedy
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 06, 2018, 01:38:05 AM
I think my surprise mainly comes from basically assuming he was washed up in phoenix these last few years instead of just understanding that Phoenix was terrible.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 06, 2018, 01:42:03 AM
Duncan of course being the master of that for years and years. Spurs have been effective teaching it to other guys like Rasho, Oberto and Matt Bonner too where it would just shut down the logical centers of the brain and perimeter guys wouldn't even try it against a guy like Bonner.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 06, 2018, 01:46:30 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 06, 2018, 01:38:05 AM
I think my surprise mainly comes from basically assuming he was washed up in phoenix these last few years instead of just understanding that Phoenix was terrible.
Also, to be fair, he wasn't exactly giving his best efforts with them, and he missed a lot of games the last two years. They also threw a lot of garbage out there around him defensively compared to LeBron and Ball and even someone like Stephenson who all give a shit.

Booker and TJ Warren and Chriss weren't exactly guys who were even trying much against their own man.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 06, 2018, 02:46:11 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ5EgaMlBcM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl--b78uHVE
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 07, 2018, 06:55:56 PM
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The Milwaukee Bucks were finalizing a deal Friday to add a veteran and clear their books in the short-term future in a four-player deal with the Cleveland Cavaliers, sources told ESPN.

The Bucks will acquire point guard George Hill and forward Sam Dekker in exchange for guard Matthew Dellavedova and center John Henson. The Cavs will acquire the Bucks 2021 first and second-round draft picks, though the first may not convey until as late as 2023 because the Bucks owe a future first to the Phoenix Suns that might not convey until 2021.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 09, 2018, 02:37:02 AM
Pop be trollin?

(https://scontent-ort2-2.cdninstagram.com/vp/2beeb6ff3682902af3ca75cd78f89206/5CAA2938/t51.2885-15/e35/47584774_2190091244580829_1444979571242322898_n.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 09, 2018, 02:38:54 AM
Wizards got in on that Bucks-Cavs deal to cut some money off their tax bill:
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Bucks get: Guard George Hill, forward Jason Smith and a 2021 second-round pick

Cavaliers get: Guard Matthew Dellavedova, center John Henson, a 2021 first-round pick, a 2021 second-round pick and a 2022 second-round pick

Wizards get: Forward Sam Dekker

Also:
Quote
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn

For Cavaliers and Bucks, there was an urgency to a get deal done by 6 PM ET today. Now the players in the deal are eligible to be aggregated on the Feb. 7 trade deadline. Essentially, they can combine these players with other contracts to move before the deadline.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: eleuin on December 11, 2018, 12:20:25 AM
https://twitter.com/basketballtalk/status/1072159745673437184

 :snoop
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 11, 2018, 12:25:08 AM
All-Star Weekend should feature a debate between him and Kyrie
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 11, 2018, 02:53:15 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isiyRImdieU
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 12, 2018, 01:35:43 PM
KD on Bill Simmons again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvQjt7JYW3Q
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 13, 2018, 01:31:04 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW3KFGvNb8o


 :mynicca
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on December 15, 2018, 12:57:46 AM
There’s a HUGE gap between 5 and 6 in the east rn

and the timberwolves, at 14, are only 6 games out of first in the west
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on December 15, 2018, 09:50:36 AM
A MEM/PHX/WAS trade involving Trevor Ariza fell through because there was confusion about which player named Brooks they were talking about.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on December 15, 2018, 02:51:51 PM
the deal ended up going through

ariza will remove sato from the starting lineup and have him primarily playing point off the bench leaving more minutes for troy brown jr, the latter being the biggest net positive imo outside of ariza's potential leadership role. this also gives our team length which should help with rebounding, maybe. the best news is we didn't give up any picks for this trade

for oubre... having no point guard is going to potentially expose more of his game and i'm not sure if his new teammates will appreciate him hunting shots without anyone dictating the offense.  i would've preferred if he landed on the grizzlies which has the structure (leadership and accountability) to bring out the most from a player like him. i wish nothing but the best for him because the kid has so much potential but he's boneheaded af
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 15, 2018, 10:47:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNd5c7_8es4

 :obama
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 16, 2018, 12:33:52 AM
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MarShon Brooks said his family became aware of the trade through social media before he was informed by the team. He said his mother was trying to mouth the words to him from the crowd during the fourth quarter of Memphis' Friday night home game against the Heat.
whoops
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 16, 2018, 12:36:19 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqNjEKZcUKM

 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 16, 2018, 12:38:33 AM
Quote
Carl Johnson
1 day ago
I'm Surprised not any team doing this to Kyrie "Earth is Flat" thing maybe cause its True?....

251
:thinking
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 18, 2018, 06:45:18 AM
Suns ate Austin Rivers contract and cut him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Akala on December 18, 2018, 09:23:27 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on December 18, 2018, 06:45:18 AM
Suns ate Austin Rivers contract and cut him.

oof
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2018, 05:20:47 AM
some reporter asked LeBron what it would be like if the Lakers got Anthony Davis :lol
Quote from: LeBron
That would be amazing, like, duh. That would be incredible.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Akala on December 19, 2018, 08:36:33 AM
 :noooo
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2018, 10:41:11 PM
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Du6EOkpXQAAZJlb.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 21, 2018, 02:23:25 PM
oh lawd he comin
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on December 22, 2018, 09:44:15 PM
scott brooks is easily the most inept coach in the nba

morris has been closing out games the entire season while getting 25 mins or so off the bench while our starting center thomas bryant, who has been balling the fuck out and most importantly moving on both sides of the court and being able to guard the pnr, was getting only 15 mins . well moriss finally fouls out and bryant is fucking BALLING as expected from some amazing pnrs from beal. moriss has a box score of -9 for the game while bryant has a +9

but watch, this performance will change NOTHING

fuck brooks, and especially fuck eg

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on December 22, 2018, 10:22:02 PM
that was the best ive seen the wiz all season and thats with three starters out

all because that bum moriss fouled out and wall was ill




edit: worth noting that wizards were 97-104 when morris fouled out. bets on brooks doesn't learn from this?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on December 23, 2018, 12:42:34 AM
Is this the first time ever that both the clippers and the lakers have been good?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on December 23, 2018, 02:46:50 AM
I don't know about good, but there was one year when they both made the playoffs, and both got eliminated by the Seven Seconds Or Less Suns.

It was the one playoff year with Elton Brand, when they'd traded for Sam Cassell. With Corey Maggette and a pre-injury Shaun Livingston. Was also the year Kobe scored 35 a game and played with Smush Parker and Kwame Brown.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on December 24, 2018, 12:42:47 AM
Bulls seem to finally be figuring out that looking to set up markkannen 20 times a game is a good idea
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 25, 2018, 12:25:26 AM
They realized there's no reason not to play him with Carter.

Also the Jabari Parker saga is a top five Bulls nonsense saga this season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on December 25, 2018, 09:11:35 PM
 :gladbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Nola on December 25, 2018, 10:00:55 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on December 19, 2018, 05:20:47 AM
some reporter asked LeBron what it would be like if the Lakers got Anthony Davis :lol
Quote from: LeBron
That would be amazing, like, duh. That would be incredible.

Honestly, he gone.

Pels need to act accordingly. Wait til the offseason when Boston can trade and start the bidding war.

I just hope Gayle doesn't half ass it like her husband had been doing. But I get the sneaking suspicion we are going to drastically overpay to bring in someone before the deadline that isn't going to be enough to keep Davis and then wait to fire Demps until he has damn near sold off every asset we have as a last ditch effort to save his skin and embarrassment.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: agrajag on December 25, 2018, 10:34:12 PM
LeBron teasing us before he ultimately folds to the Warriors in the playoffs.  ::)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 27, 2018, 12:04:54 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngO2uWo7X6Q
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on December 27, 2018, 04:52:56 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oay7-en5Ow
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 28, 2018, 12:35:18 AM
Lakers blow game they controlled all night.

https://twitter.com/SacramentoKings/status/1078524224686325760
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 28, 2018, 05:10:12 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOtXAtVJg-A

this has no right to be this good
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 28, 2018, 05:11:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7m5NOQT8DQ

lets go home
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 28, 2018, 06:49:25 AM
didn't even see that the Knicks waived Ron Baker...and the Wizards signed him...
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: agrajag on January 03, 2019, 06:20:05 AM
Miami Heat is 6th in the East with a .500 record!

 :rejoice :paul
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 03, 2019, 09:51:08 AM
DeAndre Jordan FT%:70.5


Lonzo Ball: FT%:45.0%
Lebron James: FT%:68.2
Brandon Ingram: FT%:62.0

 :gurl
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 04, 2019, 12:32:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=&v=rAGZPmQGLb8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2g4RtMj2Ss
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: agrajag on January 04, 2019, 12:56:23 PM
that Rockets GSW game was incredible.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2019, 06:11:31 PM
Harden averaged 36 points a game as Houston went 10-4 in December.  He's averaged 41 ppg in their last ten as they've gone 9-1. With Chris Paul missing like half of those or more.

Capela's also been in BEAST MODE: 17/15.5 over those ten games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on January 06, 2019, 08:02:15 PM
https://twitter.com/foosgonewild/status/1066547707991347200
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 06, 2019, 08:03:49 PM
And down goes Thibodeau.

Everybody was waiting for that domino to drop forever.


Lakers without Lebron, Kuzma, and Rondo are understandably free falling.

Lonzo might have a capable NBA career but he's looking more and more like he will never be anything but an average NBA player.  And Brandon Ingram simply hasn't taken the step this season that most people thought he was capable of. He's playing worse for whatever reason than he did last season rather than improving.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 06, 2019, 08:11:29 PM
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Former Chicago Bulls coach Fred Hoiberg is in serious consideration by Minnesota owner Glen Taylor to become either the general manager or head coach in the future, league sources told ESPN.
don't just take everything the Bulls cast off jeez
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 06, 2019, 08:12:57 PM
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Chandler Parsons' career with the Memphis Grizzlies is likely over, with the two sides agreeing to a separation on Sunday, league sources told ESPN.

Parsons will leave Memphis as the organization and his agent, James Dunleavy of ISE Sports, work to structure a resolution on Parsons' future, sources said.

Parsons, 30, is owed $38 million on his original four-year, $94 million maximum contract, including $25.1 million for the 2019-20 season.

The sides will work to find a trade for Parsons, sources said. The Grizzlies haven't shown a willingness to include a first-round draft pick to move Parsons' deal but have been open to accepting a longer-term contract for him, league sources said. The team still believes Parsons will have value as an expiring contract, even if it takes into the offseason to make a deal.

The final disagreement that led to Parsons leaving the team and city -- perhaps permanently -- has been centered around the circumstances of a possible G League assignment.

Grizzlies GM Chris Wallace wanted Parsons to play several games with the Grizzlies' G League affiliate, the Memphis Hustle, before deciding on returning Parsons to the active roster with the Grizzlies, sources said.

Parsons has been willing to play games with the G League affiliate but wanted a clearer plan and a timetable in place that would return him to the Grizzlies' active roster, league sources said.
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The Cleveland Cavaliers waived guard Patrick McCaw on Sunday, one week after signing him to two-year, $6 million non-guaranteed deal.

McCaw, 23, played in three games with Cleveland. The Cavaliers had to make a decision by Monday to keep McCaw on their roster at a prorated $3 million for the rest of the season.

The Cavaliers got McCaw after the Warriors declined to match an offer sheet last week.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 07, 2019, 01:04:54 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRJybz-Xf3Y
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 08, 2019, 02:08:53 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25705352/hedo-turkoglu-says-enes-kanter-new-york-knicks-irrational-smear-campaign-turkey
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Former NBA player Hedo Turkoglu, now a chief adviser to the president of Turkey, says comments by Enes Kanter about the country are nothing more than an ongoing "political smear campaign" by the New York Knicks center.

Kanter last week said he would not travel with the Knicks to London for a game against the Washington Wizards on Jan. 17 because he fears for his life because of his ongoing clash with Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
wait, why is Hedo a chief adviser to Erdogan?

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Kanter told reporters at the Knicks' shootaround Monday in Portland that Turkoglu likely was being told to say those things.

"It's probably not [Turkoglu], but the president making him say it," Kanter told reporters. "If you look at his Twitter, it's German, English and Turkish. It's three languages, and he doesn't even know German. They're probably making him do it. He's kind of like his puppy dog. Lap dog is better. He probably got so much money for that."

A Knicks team official said last week that Kanter wouldn't travel to London because of a visa issue, but Kanter on Monday said that was incorrect.

"They don't understand the conversation and it's very confusing," said Kanter, who posted a photo of a travel document on Twitter. "It's not a visa issue. ... I have a travel document.... I can travel."

Kanter reportedly was indicted by the Istanbul Cyber Crimes Investigation Bureau last year because of "hurtful and humiliating" comments made about Turkoglu, the president of the Turkish Basketball Federation, on social media.

I can't seem to figure out exactly what Hedo is advising about other than taking shots at Kanter. :idont
Quote from: two years ago
President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan on Tuesday appointed a former basketball star as one of his senior advisers, a source within the presidential office said.
(https://idsb.tmgrup.com.tr/2016/03/15/HaberDetay/1458079164894.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 11, 2019, 08:31:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvu43V5SpnE
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 16, 2019, 05:52:58 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYcBPdwk7-U
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 17, 2019, 12:02:49 AM
James Harden is breaking basketball

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeixJkgTHjw
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Akala on January 17, 2019, 12:40:50 AM
Was there, ruined at end as they choked it 😭
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on January 17, 2019, 01:18:54 AM
Kyrie might have the best touch ever with his off hand
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 17, 2019, 09:29:35 PM
A bundle of rumors came out about the Mavs trying to move Dennis Smith Jr., so now they're apparently having meetings to smooth things over. Smith apparently has demanded a trade though. Mavs were looking to deal him because they don't think he and Doncic can play together long term as he forces Doncic off the ball.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 18, 2019, 06:30:40 AM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25789926/lakers-michael-beasley-tries-enter-game-wearing-wrong-shorts
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 19, 2019, 05:28:16 AM
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Brooklyn Nets forward/center Kenneth Faried has agreed to a contract buyout, clearing the way for him to sign a free-agent deal with the Houston Rockets
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The Rockets are aggressively working to find a trade for the exiled Carmelo Anthony before Monday's 5 p.m. ET deadline to clear a roster spot for Faried, league sources said. The Rockets will need to trade a player to a team with an open roster spot, or waive a player

The cleanest solution to the Rockets clearing a roster spot without a trade is releasing James Nunnally five days early from his 10-day contract.
i would think the cleanest solution would be to just waive Melo?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 23, 2019, 11:36:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awsMi_28GN8

Jesus
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 23, 2019, 11:42:35 PM
gross, Oladipo might be out for the season
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 25, 2019, 09:12:27 AM
When I posted that he hadn't had his MRI yet :bolo

Also I totally did not know that Zion Williamson is like 285 pounds and built like Metta World Peace.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Akala on January 28, 2019, 08:03:47 AM
Welp.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 28, 2019, 08:05:18 AM
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Agent Rich Paul has notified the New Orleans Pelicans that All-NBA forward Anthony Davis has no intention of signing a contract extension if and when presented one and that he has requested a trade, Paul told ESPN on Monday.

"Anthony wants to be traded to a team that allows him the chance to win consistently and compete for a championship," Paul said.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Akala on January 28, 2019, 08:30:52 AM
Yeah that’s what the welp was for  :lol

Fun week or so for New Orleans sports. Would rather him go to Celtics but we’ll probably end up with Lonzo and the re-emergence of his dad as a main character.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 28, 2019, 08:43:26 AM
just messing with the trade machine a bit, there's not really a huge amount of great deals out there to make with Davis going to a "contender" (I included the two LA teams), especially since he makes $25 million

it's weird because he's one of the greatest players in the league, but I'm unsure if many of these teams would send their best asset for him, I think the Lakers would now deal Ingram for anything unlike last summer, but the Clippers wouldn't want to send Harris, and then you can't really make a compelling package, that's similar with a number of the other teams

it'd be kinda fun for the Raptors to put together a full fledged one-year one-shot mercenary squad targeted at the Warriors I suppose
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: BisMarckie on January 28, 2019, 08:48:35 AM
So you're saying that he'll be traded to the Bulls for Jabari Parker. :hyper
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Akala on January 28, 2019, 09:08:15 AM
 :noooo

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Nola on January 28, 2019, 09:17:02 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 28, 2019, 08:43:26 AM
just messing with the trade machine a bit, there's not really a huge amount of great deals out there to make with Davis going to a "contender" (I included the two LA teams), especially since he makes $25 million

it's weird because he's one of the greatest players in the league, but I'm unsure if many of these teams would send their best asset for him, I think the Lakers would now deal Ingram for anything unlike last summer, but the Clippers wouldn't want to send Harris, and then you can't really make a compelling package, that's similar with a number of the other teams

it'd be kinda fun for the Raptors to put together a full fledged one-year one-shot mercenary squad targeted at the Warriors I suppose

The Pels have no need to rush into trading him IMO.

Hopefully they just sit on it and let the market build itself.

You can't really get Boston into the mix unless they trade Kyrie, otherwise there are Rose rule implications that prevent anything before the summer....Which the Pels hopefully are open to letting this drag into if nothing lucrative pops up since Boston as of right now seems like the bidder with the most to offer.

If nothing else though, Loomis better have Demps' separation papers drafted up by the end of the week. If he is the guy that gets to rebuild his own mess I might just be done with two sports in one season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 28, 2019, 10:02:15 AM
It does seem like an odd time to do this, less than two weeks before the deadline makes it even more unlikely for teams that aren't the Lakers to actually carve up their rosters. Now you've got a Dwightmare type situation where the best player has suggested he's already given up on the season or trying to make a playoff run pretty much.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on January 31, 2019, 03:57:30 PM
Woj is saying Porzingis to the Mavs wtf
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 31, 2019, 04:07:14 PM
He asked for a trade earlier today apparently and they decided to do it immediately, this is the package that sources were saying they were offering New Orleans for Davis but I wonder if that was some confusion now.
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The Dallas Mavericks have agreed to a trade with the New York Knicks for All-Star forward Kristaps Porzingis, league sources told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski on Thursday.

The trade also includes the Knicks sending Courtney Lee and Tim Hardaway Jr. to the Mavericks in return for Wesley Matthews, Dennis Smith Jr. and DeAndre Jordan, league sources told Wojnarowski. The deal may also include draft assets, sources said.
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Earlier Thursday, Porzingis met with Knicks meeting and left franchise officials with the impression that he wanted to be traded, league sources told ESPN.

Porzingis can be a restricted free agent this summer.

There's been a strong disconnect between Porzingis and Knicks management in recent years, and it culminated in Thursday's meeting. He expressed concerns on the state of the franchise and his future with the organization, sources said.
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Porzingis and his brother Janis, who is his agent, met with Knicks management on Thursday morning and discussed his frustration with the franchise's losing, its past dysfunction and his own uncertainty over creating sustainable organizational success, sources said.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: eleuin on January 31, 2019, 05:10:16 PM
Mark Cuban quickly rebuilding with 2 generational talents :whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 31, 2019, 05:48:05 PM
They'll have to wait an extra year now but they still have a max slot coming up too when Barnes and Powell expire.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on January 31, 2019, 05:53:35 PM
Spotrac has updated the Knicks roster but not the Mavs and now I can't fool around with the numbers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 31, 2019, 05:55:40 PM
Bazinga :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 31, 2019, 06:16:51 PM
Quote from: Mandark on January 31, 2019, 05:53:35 PM
Spotrac has updated the Knicks roster but not the Mavs and now I can't fool around with the numbers.
They basically punted the expiring Jordan contract (and half of Matthews) a year by taking on Lee and Hardaway Jr. who will make $31 million next year. The latter is also on the books for $19 million the year after, so they'll need Powell and Barnes' expiring to get the full effect of what would have been the Matthews/Jordan expiring this offseason.

They should be able to fit in...say Anthony Davis because Barnes, Powell and Lee all expire that summer.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 31, 2019, 10:15:08 PM
Jesus, contract the Knicks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 31, 2019, 10:53:05 PM
I don't think Jesus would take their front office job at this point.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Knicks gonna Knick)
Post by: team filler on February 01, 2019, 07:58:43 PM
https://twitter.com/chrisgrenham/status/1091487207876104196
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Knicks gonna Knick)
Post by: bluemax on February 02, 2019, 01:39:29 AM
Woj says Pels consider Lakers initial offer so lowball that it isn't even worth responding to.

Kuzma/Ball/Rondo/Beasley/their mediocre first rounder.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Knicks gonna Knick)
Post by: benjipwns on February 02, 2019, 01:51:04 AM
ESPN in a number of stories has indicated that Davis wants to go to the Lakers as a free agent anyway, and with Boston locked until the summer and now unsure about Irving, so the Pelicans may just make him stick around since there's no market unless the Raptors try to go for broke.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Knicks gonna Knick)
Post by: benjipwns on February 02, 2019, 03:51:41 AM
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Jason Kidd is in the discussion to be the next coach of the Los Angeles Lakers if they decide to move on from Luke Walton, according to Ric Bucher.

"Another development that I’m hearing is gaining momentum, and that’s the possibility of Jason Kidd returning to the coaching ranks by succeeding Luke Walton with the Lakers...now sources are saying that the Lakers have actually gotten back to him and that this has gone to the next level. And that if the Lakers do make a move on Luke – which, based on all of the rumblings, could happen sooner rather than later – Kidd appears to be very much in the mix and possibly is even the favorite," said Ric Bucher on his podcast.
you been drinkin Ric?

lol if true
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Knicks gonna Knick)
Post by: team filler on February 02, 2019, 03:54:51 AM
when do we get koachbe?  ::)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Knicks gonna Knick)
Post by: clothedmacuser on February 02, 2019, 08:28:40 PM
Can someone explain this reference from Slate.com to me.


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NC State was at home, which makes the Wolfpack’s futility even tougher to comprehend. Their performance represents the fewest points scored by a ranked program in the shot clock era. They went 16.7 percent from the field. They had more turnovers (10) than made field goals (9). It took them almost 15 minutes to reach double-digits, and that was during their better half of basketball on Saturday. The Wolfpack’s shot chart looks like someone playing Mortal Kombat with a Game Genie.

https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/1091780783977558016

https://slate.com/culture/2019/02/nc-states-24-point-game-against-virginia-tech-is-one-for-the-record-books.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Knicks gonna Knick)
Post by: Akala on February 03, 2019, 02:15:46 PM
blood everywhere.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Knicks gonna Knick)
Post by: benjipwns on February 03, 2019, 06:24:48 PM
you can't explain Slate
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Knicks gonna Knick)
Post by: team filler on February 03, 2019, 08:16:11 PM
thought he was talking about slaent at first  :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Knicks gonna Knick)
Post by: benjipwns on February 03, 2019, 11:57:34 PM
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The Portland Trail Blazers agreed to a trade to acquire Cleveland Cavaliers forward Rodney Hood on Sunday, league sources told ESPN.

The Blazers will send the Cavaliers two second-round picks, one in 2021 and one in 2023, along with the expiring contracts of guards Nik Stauskas and Wade Baldwin IV, sources said.
Decent little move probably.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Knicks gonna Knick)
Post by: benjipwns on February 04, 2019, 04:08:09 PM
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Los Angeles Lakers president Magic Johnson made a more robust bid for New Orleans Pelicans All-Star Anthony Davis on Monday, offering multiple young players, including Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram and Kyle Kuzma, as well as draft picks and salary-cap relief to the Pelicans, league sources told ESPN.
offer em LeBron, Magic!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Knicks gonna Knick)
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 04, 2019, 04:53:21 PM
The Cavs have turned Korver, Hood, Hill and Dekker into 7 draft picks.

1 first round and 6 2nd rounders. That's something, at least.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Knicks gonna Knick)
Post by: benjipwns on February 05, 2019, 09:01:42 PM
Lakers have announced they are no longer going to bid against themselves for Davis :rofl

the Pels told you this weeks ago Magic
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Knicks gonna Knick)
Post by: team filler on February 06, 2019, 12:29:58 AM
https://twitter.com/SInow/status/1092945697572294657
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Knicks gonna Knick)
Post by: benjipwns on February 06, 2019, 01:21:53 AM
BLOCKBUSTER:
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the Lakers agreed in principle to trade guard Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk and a second-round draft pick to the Detroit Pistons for guard Reggie Bullock
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Knicks gonna Knick)
Post by: Beezy on February 06, 2019, 02:38:14 AM
REAL BLOCKBUSTER:

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1093046121407094784
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Knicks gonna Knick)
Post by: bluemax on February 06, 2019, 03:01:11 AM
Prepping for the offseason! Also if they miss the playoffs then they keep their pick this year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Knicks gonna Knick)
Post by: benjipwns on February 06, 2019, 03:01:47 AM
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Philadelphia has long-term plans for Harris, Jimmy Butler, Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons together, budgeting to re-sign and keep a new Big 4
Big 4? THEY GOT BOBAN THE LEGEND
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Knicks gonna Knick)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 06, 2019, 10:33:27 AM
Shame they got rid of Shamet.  Of the few Sixers games I've caught this year, he really impressed me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Knicks gonna Knick)
Post by: benjipwns on February 06, 2019, 04:08:43 PM
Quote
The Miami Heat are nearing a deal to send guard Tyler Johnson to the Phoenix Suns
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The Detroit Pistons have agreed to trade forward Stanley Johnson to the Milwaukee Bucks for center Thon Maker
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Knicks gonna Knick)
Post by: Nola on February 06, 2019, 04:46:37 PM
The Sixers championship caliber ascension in contrast to the Pels second failed rebuild around AD is interesting to compare.

Yet somehow Sam Hinkie is unemployed and Dell Demps is closing in on a ten year anniversary with the team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Knicks gonna Knick)
Post by: BisMarckie on February 06, 2019, 04:50:17 PM
Could be worse, you could be the Bulls. :stahp
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Knicks gonna Knick)
Post by: BisMarckie on February 06, 2019, 09:26:49 PM
Case in point:

Bulls just traded Portis and Jabari for Otto Porter 
:stahp
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Knicks gonna Knick)
Post by: clothedmacuser on February 06, 2019, 11:24:23 PM
Quote from: Akala on February 03, 2019, 02:15:46 PM
blood everywhere.

Ah.  Makes sense now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Knicks gonna Knick)
Post by: benjipwns on February 06, 2019, 11:51:00 PM
trades, trades everywhere!
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The Sacramento Kings are trading Justin Jackson and Zach Randolph to the Dallas Mavericks for Harrison Barnes
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The Houston Rockets are acquiring guard Iman Shumpert in a three-way deal with the Cleveland Cavaliers and Sacramento Kings, league sources told ESPN.

The Rockets will send guard Brandon Knight, forward Marquese Chriss and a 2019 lottery protected first-round pick to the Cavaliers, league sources said.

The Cavaliers will send guard Alec Burks to the Kings, and guards Nik Stauskas and Wade Baldwin to the Rockets
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The Washington Wizards have agreed to send forward Markieff Morris to the New Orleans Pelicans for forward Wesley Johnson
Quote
The Miami Heat traded guards Tyler Johnson and Wayne Ellington to the Phoenix Suns for veteran forward Ryan Anderson
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The Washington Wizards have agreed to trade forward Otto Porter Jr. to the Chicago Bulls for forwards Bobby Portis and Jabari Parker, a league source confirmed to ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.

The deal includes a 2023 second-round pick to the Wizards
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 07, 2019, 12:40:54 AM
Barnes got traded away from the Mavs during halftime. :heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 07, 2019, 01:09:25 AM
Wizards got themselves under the tax!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 07, 2019, 01:32:46 AM
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The Lakers are running low on hope that the Pelicans will engage them before Thursday's 3 p.m. ET trade deadline, the sources said.
:lol THEY TOLD YOU THIS MAGIC
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 07, 2019, 09:37:54 AM
Lebron and the Lakers getting rolled by the Pelicans gives me life.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 07, 2019, 10:41:36 AM
I mean, what did they expect?  Why even try going for broke midway through the season for AD?  Just sign him in the off season. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on February 07, 2019, 10:56:33 AM
He can’t opt out until 2020 and lebrons already 34

e: their young core is also shit, so...
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 07, 2019, 10:57:34 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 07, 2019, 01:32:46 AM
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The Lakers are running low on hope that the Pelicans will engage them before Thursday's 3 p.m. ET trade deadline, the sources said.
:lol THEY TOLD YOU THIS MAGIC

Don't they know that they're not just getting Lonzo Ball, but also access to the entire Big Baller franchise?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Nola on February 07, 2019, 03:16:06 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on February 07, 2019, 10:56:33 AM
He can’t opt out until 2020 and lebrons already 34

e: their young core is also shit, so...

Plus why trade now?

That team is a clown show and Magic and AD/Klutch/Lebron's attempted public hustle just made the locker room worse, decent to fair chance they don't even make the playoffs.

Why trade them AD for first rounders and trash now when you can get that same first rounder in the Summer and it will be much better? Plus Boston can get into the mix and you'll know whether the Knicks will get the number one pick.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on February 07, 2019, 03:29:12 PM
Iirc, Boston knows that ad won’t resign with them. Lakers are gonna add Carmelo. That team is getting swept in the first if they even make the playoffs. Fultz is going to Orlando for Jonathan Simmons and picks. Kanter got bought out and Boston is looking to pick him up. Wes is in Indiana now.

e: bucks dealt Stanley immediately for Mirotic and now New Orleans has a bunch of unprotected picks from Washington in 2020 and 2021 :whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on February 07, 2019, 04:17:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_ZayLMQQ0g
 
 :lol kawakami still a dumb biaaaatch. I remember when Al had him thrown out of the raidahs presser, good times  :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: eleuin on February 07, 2019, 05:37:37 PM
lakers trading zubac for nothing  :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on February 08, 2019, 02:51:46 AM
Clippers suddenly have cap space AND assets. What a time to be alive.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 08, 2019, 08:53:16 AM
Rondo hit a game-winning buzzer beater, then hugged Lebron James at midcourt to allow the Lakers to defeat Kyrie Irving's Boston Celtics.

That statement would've seemed so weird 5 years ago.


Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 08, 2019, 01:10:34 PM
this fucking trade deadline man, after years of nothing

Milwaukee, Philly and Toronto :whoo

The Clippers moves were masterful, them and the Nets have really snuck into a great position the last two seasons.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 08, 2019, 01:11:28 PM
https://twitter.com/NBAonTNT/status/1093664977645268993
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: eleuin on February 10, 2019, 02:13:06 AM
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1094440117106806784
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on February 10, 2019, 02:49:51 AM
https://twitter.com/CubsTerritory/status/1094440219905003522
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 12, 2019, 10:22:50 PM
https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1095345526948663296

https://twitter.com/RealDealBeal23/status/1095367561628258306
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Brehvolution on February 14, 2019, 09:45:29 AM
https://twitter.com/MSGNetworks/status/1095859525985423361
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 14, 2019, 11:01:12 AM
https://twitter.com/HoustonRockets/status/1095138522120503296

Wow, Harden really beast moding against the semi-retired elderly, I bet he kills it down at the rec center. :beli
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on February 14, 2019, 04:28:27 PM
https://twitter.com/Ballislife/status/1096040611696836614
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2019, 05:33:42 PM
I love him
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on February 14, 2019, 05:44:06 PM
https://twitter.com/Ballislife/status/1096040077224865793
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Nola on February 15, 2019, 04:16:27 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1096452173532196864

 :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 15, 2019, 08:31:41 PM
Quote
Benson has been angry over the Davis trade demand and her belief that "outside forces" are trying to push the franchise into decisions that don't make sense, league sources said.

Her mandate has been to "take back control from outside forces," one league source told ESPN. Benson has been adamant with the organization about finding a pathway to sustainable winning in one of the league's smallest markets and plans to be aggressive in pursuing the best available candidates to oversee basketball operations, league sources said.

"We will immediately begin the process of restructuring our basketball operations department," Benson said. "This will include a comprehensive, but confidential, search aided by outside consultants to identify a new leader of our basketball operations, directly reporting to me."
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 15, 2019, 08:33:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAB08gdXQjk
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Nola on February 15, 2019, 11:29:44 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 15, 2019, 08:31:41 PM
Quote

"We will immediately begin the process of restructuring our basketball operations department," Benson said. "This will include a comprehensive, but confidential, search aided by outside consultants to identify a new leader of our basketball operations, directly reporting to me."

 :preach :preach :salute
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on February 18, 2019, 05:21:58 PM
https://twitter.com/Howsito/status/1097332808261890048
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on February 18, 2019, 05:30:32 PM
https://twitter.com/Howsito/status/1097352730283204609

https://twitter.com/MJO23DAN/status/1097335322923302912

https://twitter.com/__keebles/status/1097345803096653824

https://twitter.com/4thdimension44/status/1097618328586199042

https://twitter.com/bwill628/status/1097542444500029440
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on February 20, 2019, 10:17:56 PM
https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/1098405500767686656

this why I only wear big baller brand  :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Akala on February 20, 2019, 11:06:45 PM
damn  :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 20, 2019, 11:08:04 PM
i saw that he's apparently playing at like 300 pounds according to Duke sources

and they've been trying to get him to drop weight since he showed up on campus
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 21, 2019, 03:14:01 AM
Quote
LeBron James set to step up intensity for playoff push: 'It's been activated'
alright here we go, time to start seeing what teams are
Quote
Warriors enter 'different phase' with no DeMarcus Cousins limit
okay, see you guys next season
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: BisMarckie on February 21, 2019, 06:40:55 AM
Cross-sports venting:
I have accepted that the Bulls are a joke. The Reinsdorf family will own the team forever and the Bulls will be terrible until they luck into a generational talent again.

However, everybody thought that the White Sox were Jerry's favorite child. But as it turns out they let a deal for one of the best free agents to ever play the game slip away because Jerry Reinsdorf didn't like paying him when he would have been 92 years old.

And they say you can't take it with you. :girlaff

Hold me Benji.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 27, 2019, 11:30:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kipKhzdidLM
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 01, 2019, 02:01:07 PM
I really want the Cavs to win the lottery just to see the internet collectively lose it's shit. I can't think of an outcome that would create more agony.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Let's Cyber on March 03, 2019, 12:12:48 AM
These eastern conference playoffs are gonna be great. They were really good last year too but you'll have several legit contenders (aka best team that isn't the Warriors) this year as opposed to LeBron vs. EC field so I'm excited.



Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on March 03, 2019, 12:36:41 AM
It was shaping up to be a ton of fun before oladipo went down but even still Indiana’s hanging in there and it’s still wide open. I just pray everyone stays healthy
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2019, 08:47:10 PM
Quote
The Los Angeles Lakers and free agent Carmelo Anthony are pausing talks on a possible contract agreement unless the franchise makes a turn back toward pursuit of Western Conference playoffs contention, league sources told ESPN.

The Lakers had been leaning toward signing Anthony for the rest of the season -- until losses in four of the past five games left the organization and Anthony's camp wondering if it made sense to bring the veteran into an unsettled environment with suddenly so little chance of making the playoffs, league sources said.
:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 05, 2019, 08:54:55 PM
Lebron’s going into playoffs beast mode, don’t worry.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2019, 08:59:07 PM
I don't understand all these pundits worrying that LeBron is risking his legacy by spending his last few seasons screwing up the Lakers. Makes him even greater in my eyes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 05, 2019, 10:32:27 PM
Saw this in the comments of a Yahoo sports article:

>Jeanie Buss needs to fire Magic & Rob, hire a GM who has experience, trade LeBron and hope to get a lottery pick with a chance to draft Zion Williamson!!!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on March 05, 2019, 11:17:20 PM
It's gonna be funny this offseason and next season if/when the Lakers fail to sign another star and get stuck getting whatever garbage players Lebron is still friends with.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 07, 2019, 10:49:52 AM
https://twitter.com/TheRenderNBA/status/1103535436948013056

"Playoff Intensity Activated"
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on March 07, 2019, 10:53:44 AM
thank you, my steam froze before that moment and when i refreshed, the entire chat was flooded with "shaqtin a fool mvp". i used my imagination but this is way better than whatever i thought up

though this, this is everything
https://streamable.com/ltjjh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 07, 2019, 12:38:06 PM
FACT CHECK: he knocked it out of bounds

the dumb part was not realizing Milsap was going to do the obvious to that, can't do that to somebody not afraid of you breh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 07, 2019, 01:17:06 PM
god the lakers are fucking awful
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 07, 2019, 05:59:43 PM
Quote from: TEEEPO on March 07, 2019, 10:53:44 AM
though this, this is everything
https://streamable.com/ltjjh

Rondo got pissy and quit playing the one year he played in Dallas. Glad to seem other teams that gave him a chance after that getting what they paid for.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on March 07, 2019, 09:18:06 PM
we can have been this shitty without lebron  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 10, 2019, 04:46:50 AM
Lakers shutting down Ball to go with Ingram. LeBron for MVP. :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on March 12, 2019, 01:13:59 AM
"While Buss has been an ardent backer of Walton, she has also empowered Johnson, who has been less resolute in his support. His efforts have all worked against his coach rather than with him. After delivering James in July, Johnson ignored the pleas of the coaching staff that he retain Brook Lopez and Julius Randle. Instead, he signed controversial and limited journeymen JaVale McGee, Michael Beasley and Lance Stephenson."

 :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 12, 2019, 10:01:59 AM
I love when a team has a dumpster fire season and the finger pointing starts even before the season is officially over. That's when you know people are getting fired.


Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: BisMarckie on March 13, 2019, 03:02:51 PM
Unless you're the Bulls. :tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on March 19, 2019, 01:49:03 AM
https://twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1107856158017183745
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 19, 2019, 07:04:13 PM
LeBron's injured again, will be out until "to be determined." :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 19, 2019, 11:21:04 PM
This has been a rough season to watch as a Lebron fan.  :snoop

Which is part of the reason for my lack of posts in this thread.

Unfortunately its hard for me to see things improving that much. It's basically the Kobe 2.0 situation. Star player on big contract on a crappy team. That's not exactly the hot spot free agent destination.

This is why I wanted him to go to philly. Those young guys are ready compared to the Lakers who are seasons away. The decline process has begun yet he still has to do all the heavy lifting on a squad like the lakers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 21, 2019, 10:31:08 PM
FILLER:
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Greek broadcaster/former coach Vangelis Alexandris accused ex-Cavs coach David Blatt of lying — because "he has Jewish blood inside him" —  when he said he didn't know his Olympiacos team would walk off/forfeit a game last month.  Said World Jewish Congress CEO Robert Singer Thu.: "Such expressions of antisemitism recall the darkest days of history and the oldest tropes in the book. It is inconceivable that someone in the sporting community could make such shameful comments. We demand an immediate retraction and apology."
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on March 22, 2019, 02:58:31 AM
TFW the Clippers are in a 4 way tie for the 5th seed and the Lakers have collapsed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 24, 2019, 07:55:30 PM
When Zion Williamson goes into beast mode I can see those comparisons to younger LeBron. Only plus like 70-80 pounds.

He's got that same absurd hard dribble move that LeBron and Kawhi have where dudes can't take it away but desperately try for some reason even as they're being knocked away from the force of the body hitting them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2019, 08:18:56 AM
Quote
With the playoffs already out of the picture, LeBron James and the Lakers played for pride in Sunday's 111-106 win over the Sacramento Kings -- and to appease the mythical basketball gods.

"I would never cheat myself," James told Spectrum SportsNet in his on-court interview, after recording his eighth triple-double of the season (and 81st of his career) with 29 points, 11 rebounds and 11 assists. "I know we're out the playoff race, but if I'm on the court, I'm going to play how I play, and I play to win. So, I will never cheat the game.

"There's such a thing called 'game gods.' And they're watching no matter what you're doing, and it's our obligation to go out and be a professional, and that's what I'm about."

After the contest, James expounded on his approach for the 32-41 Lakers, who snapped a five-game losing streak.

"When I'm on the floor, I've got to play the game no matter what our circumstances is, no matter how many minutes I'm out on the floor, through the basketball gods, I've always respected the basketball gods," he said. "If I'm on the floor, I've got to try to play as hard as I can or do something to affect the game and not cheat the game. So, if I'm on the floor, if I'm in uniform, then I've got to try to make things happen.

"Not saying I'm going to make every shot, not saying I'm going to make every play or not have any turnovers. But just try to make an impact on the game and, like I said, I was on the floor tonight, and I was able to make a couple plays to help make our team win."
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on March 25, 2019, 02:08:43 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 21, 2019, 10:31:08 PM
FILLER:
Quote
Greek broadcaster/former coach Vangelis Alexandris accused ex-Cavs coach David Blatt of lying — because "he has Jewish blood inside him" —  when he said he didn't know his Olympiacos team would walk off/forfeit a game last month.  Said World Jewish Congress CEO Robert Singer Thu.: "Such expressions of antisemitism recall the darkest days of history and the oldest tropes in the book. It is inconceivable that someone in the sporting community could make such shameful comments. We demand an immediate retraction and apology."
Quote from: benjipwns on March 24, 2019, 07:55:30 PM
When Zion Williamson goes into beast mode I can see those comparisons to younger LeBron. Only plus like 70-80 pounds.

He's got that same absurd hard dribble move that LeBron and Kawhi have where dudes can't take it away but desperately try for some reason even as they're being knocked away from the force of the body hitting them.
:thinking
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: eleuin on March 26, 2019, 04:07:56 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvolan-diXY

nurkic leg snap, watch at your own discretion  :fbm

the snap is loud af  :brazilcry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on March 27, 2019, 01:38:22 AM
Clippers made the playoffs!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 30, 2019, 03:17:39 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGeI6ypgtP0

that call on Walton's put back at ~3:15 :lol

simpler times
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on April 04, 2019, 11:53:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEUl_tBgOPk
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 05, 2019, 06:24:51 AM
As much as the Lebron and Lakers year was a bummer for me, I'm actively really looking forward to the Eastern Conference playoffs this year. Feels like a fresh new start.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on April 06, 2019, 05:05:42 AM
https://twitter.com/BASportsGuy/status/1114397442311577601
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 07, 2019, 11:21:18 AM
Fan of this channel

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3HPbvB6f58X_7SMIp6OPYw (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3HPbvB6f58X_7SMIp6OPYw)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 08, 2019, 08:14:39 AM
https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/1115112806104403969

lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 08, 2019, 11:06:44 AM
Quote
"Memphis was the only team that showed me any consideration," Noah tells ESPN.com. The Grizzlies promised a small role. That was fine with Noah. He needed to build his confidence back almost from scratch.

He injected energy right away. At his first practice, Noah dunked on rookie Jaren Jackson Jr. and screamed in celebration, "Don't do it to him like that, Sticks!" he and his coaches recall. (Noah's high school nicknamed him "Stickman" because he was so gangly.)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on April 08, 2019, 12:55:00 PM
https://twitter.com/KyleKorver/status/1115247080501579776
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on April 09, 2019, 08:57:48 PM
I'm at D-Wade's last game. Fighting back tears rn
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 09, 2019, 10:59:04 PM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1115780743484067840
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 09, 2019, 11:51:15 PM
https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1115820813675110400

:tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 10, 2019, 08:36:26 AM
Quote from: El Babua on April 09, 2019, 08:57:48 PM
I'm at D-Wade's last game. Fighting back tears rn
now i know who started the paul pierce sucks chant
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 11, 2019, 02:58:06 PM
 :gurl

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26497399/kings-divac-fires-joerger-39-win-season
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on April 11, 2019, 09:20:47 PM
https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1116101457281990659
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on April 11, 2019, 11:41:19 PM
Cavs fire Larry Dew and Grizzlies fire JB Bickerstaff too

Grizzlies also demoted Chris Wallace and John Hollinger to "advisory" roles
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on April 12, 2019, 06:30:57 PM
Lakers fired Luke Walton
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Mandark on April 12, 2019, 06:47:28 PM
Pelicans got David Griffin. Did not expect that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 12, 2019, 06:50:58 PM
Never understood Hollinger being with the Grizz. As one of the original advanced analytic guys, they never seemed to follow that path when constructing the team.

As far as Walton, I could have went either way. On one hand, he was given three seasons and that's longer than some coaches are given. But he wasn't responsible for the poor team construction which put together a lot of pieces that didn't fit. My issue is that I fear they are very much likely to bring in a player coach who handles personalities rather than implementing and establishing a system.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Akala on April 12, 2019, 07:22:24 PM
WOO PLAYOFFS. Was kind of hoping for a Heat miracle, but alas. Should be a pretty good playoff, lots of interesting matchups and interesting teams. Dubs likely got it but who knows.

Lakers are way more of a dumpster fire than expected, they may have scraped in if not for the injury/AD bait. Handing the team to Bron may work, but they'll likely need to go back to having supporting shooters while he shoulders the load till the wheels come off. Kinda want him to get another one though.   :gladbron

Has been kind of a busted season for me with AD kind of blowing up the pels, who knows what future holds. I am getting daily emails for season seats/packages though so that's nice I guess.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Nola on April 12, 2019, 09:30:18 PM
I hope I'm wrong but nothing in David Griffin's past(besides lucking into Lebron after coming onto a team with Kyrie) really screams anything but average to slightly above average GM.


Really do hope I am wrong though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: team filler on April 13, 2019, 02:12:03 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on April 12, 2019, 06:30:57 PM
Lakers fired Luke Walton
https://twitter.com/SportsTalkBarry/status/1116793560638976001
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 13, 2019, 02:34:07 AM
I liked Griffin and the job he did for the Cavs. I thought it was bullshit he wasn't retained there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 13, 2019, 07:09:08 PM
76ers looked so ugly in that nets loss. Ben Simmons was a complete non-factor
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: eleuin on April 13, 2019, 08:41:51 PM
Simmons a fraud

Lowry trash as usual
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Let's Cyber on April 13, 2019, 09:11:55 PM
Playoff Raptors in peak form

 :heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on April 13, 2019, 11:36:20 PM
Kings have already hired Luke Walton, who is their 10th coach in 14 years

apparently Magic quit because he wanted to fire Walton and Jeanie Buss didn't and yet... ???

Quote
"Make sure that door is closed," Johnson said, referring to the locker room entrance, before shocking the basketball world by resigning as the president of basketball operations.

He cited all sorts of reasons for his decision in an impromptu 45-minute news conference (which was followed by separate 10-minute and 15-minute breakout sessions, as if he hadn't already said enough). Included on that list was his desire to avoid conflict with Lakers owner Jeanie Buss -- whom he didn't inform of his decision to step down in advance -- because of their differing opinion on Walton. Johnson wanted to fire him; Buss supported her young coach.

"Tomorrow, I would have to affect someone's livelihood and life," Johnson said of his plans to dismiss Walton as soon as the season ended. "I thought about that and said, 'That's not fun for me. That's not who I am.' Then I don't want to put her in the middle of us. Even though, she said, 'Hey, you do what you want to do.' I know she has great love for him and great love for me."
Quote
The implicit pressure that came with coaching the team became far more direct after L.A. limped out of the gate 2-5. Johnson dressed down Walton in an explosive meeting, demanding immediate results. Everyone in the Lakers organization began feeling the pressure of trying to win now despite the fact that Johnson had asked the fan base to remain patient.

In the aftermath, Johnson told the Los Angeles Times and ESPN that Walton was safe and would coach the remainder of the season -- offering no vote of confidence beyond that.

Beyond the early-season meeting, communication between Walton and the front office was fraught, sources told ESPN. At one point, Pelinka sat in on coaches' meetings, involving himself at a granular level in Walton's workload. In another example, Walton went weeks without hearing a peep from Magic Johnson. Both tactics were unusual for an NBA team.

As damning as Walton's early-season meeting with Magic might have been, the true death knell came when he was left out of LeBron's exit meeting with Johnson and Pelinka, conducted several days before the end of the season, according to a report by ESPN's Ramona Shelburne.
Quote
And then came the Anthony Davis debacle.

In the weeks leading up to the Feb. 7 trade deadline, Walton said he tried to tell his young players, all of whom had heard their names mentioned in one reported deal or another, to block out the noise.

And when the trade for Anthony Davis didn't go down, the stench only lingered.

When the Lakers arrived in Philadelphia after the trade deadline, Johnson came into the locker room about 30 minutes before tipoff -- the time usually reserved for the coaching staff to go over the game plan -- and had an announcement for the team.

Johnson reasoned to the players that the fact they weren't traded meant the Lakers wanted them more than any other team did and then tried to rally them together, declaring his goal of making the playoffs.

The message fell flat, sources told ESPN.

"It was bad," one source said. "It was bad." Another source was sketchy on Johnson's exact message because, well, he "tuned the m-----f----- out."
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on April 14, 2019, 07:40:19 AM
lmao hadn't seen Bird at Dirk's retirement ceremony: https://streamable.com/slg63
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Nola on April 14, 2019, 10:59:13 AM
Ben Simmons, JJ Redick, Jimmy Butler, at-one-time-career-year Tobias Harris, Joel Embiid.

If someone had told me at the beginning of the season that the 76er's were going to have that lineup come playoff time, and that lineup would struggle at home against the Nets, I'd have slapped the shit of you....But here we are.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: bluemax on April 16, 2019, 01:37:09 AM
LOU WILLIAMS DA GOD
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: eleuin on April 16, 2019, 02:22:52 AM
clippers  :leon
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Beezy on April 17, 2019, 03:43:54 AM
trailblazers :leon
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 17, 2019, 09:21:41 PM
It's hard to diss the pacers when they are missing their best player but my lord. When their offense collapses, it collapses.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Let's Cyber on April 18, 2019, 03:21:28 PM
NBA TV can eat a dick. Put all the games on channels that are widely available assholes.  :maf

Spurs/Nuggets getting the shaft tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 18, 2019, 04:54:59 PM
It’s not on local fox sports/altitude?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 18, 2019, 05:48:00 PM
https://twitter.com/ByTimReynolds/status/1118679672609546240

 :obama
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Let's Cyber on April 18, 2019, 08:27:18 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on April 18, 2019, 04:54:59 PM
It’s not on local fox sports/altitude?
No Altitude in my area.  :( More of a minor gripe but this Spurs/Nuggets series has been good so far, I'd have watched it over Clips/Dubs for sure.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 18, 2019, 10:22:45 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/nbastreams/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 18, 2019, 10:32:40 PM
I really like Ben Simmons (I have an affinity for big point guards) so its nice to see him turn it on after that first game in the series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: bluemax on April 19, 2019, 01:23:42 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 18, 2019, 10:32:40 PM
I really like Ben Simmons (I have an affinity for big point guards) so its nice to see him turn it on after that first game in the series.

I'd like Ben Simmons if he could shoot the ball. Blake Griffin learned how, so I guess there's hope for Simmons.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: eleuin on April 19, 2019, 10:11:52 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1119227146071871488

 :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: bluemax on April 20, 2019, 02:28:09 AM
Today I learned about Jared Dudley's critique of Simmons and... I'm on Dudley's side.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on April 21, 2019, 10:59:33 PM
Zach Lowe* is unintentionally writing a book if these columns about how the league* has been adjusting post-"South Beach Revolution" and how teams, but most importantly the top "modern" players, adjust to those adjustments aren't actually part of one: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/zachlowe26559923/james-harden-breaking-defense-embarrassed-him
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But the Spurs also unveiled a template for defending Harden that would spread across the league. It was simple: When Clint Capela set a pick for Harden, Capela's man was to plant himself near the hoop and lie in wait for Harden.

They would not switch. They would not trap, exposing an easy slip pass to Capela. They would meet Harden at the restricted area and wager they could at least disrupt layups and lob passes. They would foist indecision onto him. They knew Harden would not accept the shots they were giving him; floaters and long 2s were verboten in Houston. It worked.

...

After that Spurs series, Harden went about adding a floater. If top defenses were going to concede that shot, Harden would have to take it.

This season, he mastered it. Harden has attempted more than twice as many floaters as he did a season ago, and he has hit almost half of them, per Cleaning The Glass -- an elite number.

The next step was more radical: eliminate the need for a screen altogether. "We used to talk about the screen as an escort for a double-team," Morey says. "Why even give the defense the option?"

Harden was already a very good isolation player, but he would have to stretch the math beyond what anyone had dreamed possible to render the pick-and-roll -- basketball's staple play almost since the peach basket -- obsolete. Enter the step-back 3 -- an isolation worth three points if it goes in, which it has about 40 percent of the time this season.

Harden has drained 240 step-back triples in 2018-19. Stephen Curry led the league in total 3s with between 261 and 286 for three straight seasons from 2012-13 through 2014-15. Just making that many 3-pointers was revolutionary four seasons ago. Making that many step-backs was not a thing that existed in the NBA's brainspace.

The threat of the step-back forced defenders into pressing Harden 30 feet from the rim. That made them easy pickings for a blow-by.

Harden had warped math, and opened new possibilities for Houston. Instead of having Capela screen around the 3-point arc, the Rockets can now station him at the dunker spot -- along the baseline, at the edge of the paint -- at the start of possessions. That doesn't sound important, but in talking to opposing players and coaches, it has changed everything.
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Even scarier: Houston appears to have landed on a basic method of triggering Harden's preferred passes and springing wide-open shooters.

...

Look at Ingles and Gobert bark at each other after Harden's put-back. If I had to guess, I would say Ingles is miffed at Gobert for bolting the restricted area and leaping at Harden's floater -- leaving the glass naked. Gobert replies by mimicking Harden's floater motion: What am I supposed to do? Let him shoot unchallenged?

Semi-related to this, I've been kinda curious how Greg Monroe basically ceased to exist as a viable big in this league. He was always a pretty good passer for a big man, maybe I overestimated his athleticism? His ability to develop a jumper? In Detroit he seemed to shoot fairly well from ~15-18 feet that I thought maybe he could like Lopez develop out that range or add at least a "can't always leave him alone" three that a lot of lesser bigs get away with hitting at like 30% or something. Kinda crazy that Zaza and Bogut have been able to develop their talents more to fit in the modern league than Monroe. Hell, the reason he bailed out of Detroit, Drummond even has!

Tongue in cheek slightly more unexpected may be that the Sixers are totally getting away with playing Boban fairly big minutes in the playoffs, everybody told me it was never time during the important regular season to release the Boban because he was donezo in the "modern" league. :maf (Though the Sixers also seem to have figured out a place for Monroe too after every other Eastern contender tried him out and passed.)

*Although I think the recent Brook Lopez one was from another ESPN writer writing basically the same thing Lowe has been
**or the Spurs, then copied by everyone :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 22, 2019, 07:21:14 PM
Read some article on espn where a guy was talking about how Boston has impressed him in that Pacers series and I didn't understand it. I think Boston has been mostly awful in that series. Nearly every game has been close. The Pacers have no go to scorer and suffer long droughts where they can't score at all. If anything I think Boston was kinda lucky not to lose a game. I mean they may turn it on going forward but that series in no way made me super confident in them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Nola on April 23, 2019, 09:37:10 PM
Quote from: Nola on April 14, 2019, 10:59:13 AM
Ben Simmons, JJ Redick, Jimmy Butler, at-one-time-career-year Tobias Harris, Joel Embiid.

If someone had told me at the beginning of the season that the 76er's were going to have that lineup come playoff time, and that lineup would struggle at home against the Nets, I'd have slapped the shit of you....But here we are.

What was that dipshit?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on April 23, 2019, 10:43:49 PM
https://twitter.com/sixers/status/1120851026347687936
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2019, 01:22:58 AM
Holy Shit at that Dame performance and the okc collapse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTEyaXBPf9U
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 24, 2019, 01:51:22 AM
Yeah that was fucking crazy. Oklahoma City has no excuse for how this seasons played out, they should be the second best team in the conference and set up to be the best depending on what klay and Durant decide to do. Instead they’re out the first round in a gentleman’s sweep. Expecting Donovan to be fired within the week. Portland should make it to the conference finals now, they’re better than either Denver or San Antonio.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: bluemax on April 24, 2019, 01:55:54 AM
If Westbrick played in Kobe's era he would probably win a title, but he doesn't, so instead he will just be a volume chucker.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2019, 02:36:37 AM
Terry Stotts has turned into some kind of wizard and Neil Olshey did a smart job adding some late pieces, even though he's nowhere as good of defender Kanter so far has bailed them out of the Nurkic injury
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Akala on April 24, 2019, 09:24:25 AM
I didn't stay up last night, but man that was a glorious finish. I don't see Portland getting to the finals but am rooting for them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on April 25, 2019, 12:56:18 AM
the Clippers getting absurd with an all guard and Gallinari lineup causing the Warriors to bicker among themselves about who their man is gives me life

not so fun when it's happening to you is it you big jerks :maf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: bluemax on April 25, 2019, 01:11:19 AM
Lou Williams is such a fun player to watch.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Let's Cyber on April 25, 2019, 04:29:23 PM
I want to live in the reality where the Dubs get thrown in a dumpster by Lou Williams with Durant and Klay both bolting this summer for greener pastures.

I mean, we don' t live in that reality because GS is going crush everyone from this point on and finish off a three-peat...
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on April 26, 2019, 05:52:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5hkrlB0nrQ

 :neogaf what
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on April 26, 2019, 05:54:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J8d8Yt0hos

 :rofl Stephen A.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on April 26, 2019, 11:20:29 PM
This dude was a LAX airline checkout counter worker who went to a public ABA tryout: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/selvale01.html

He took more three pointers in that first season than any NBA team attempted in a season until the eighth year with the line (1987-88) when ironically eight teams finally out jacked Lester. (Only one ABA team had outshot him in that first season too.)

Based on his percentage and makes per game against the league it's like finding the next Steph Curry as a random you added to fill out your summer league team. He hit ten threes in a game. Where both teams total combined made eleven.

I only wish his seventeen minute "comeback" was 100% three pointers.

r.i.p. in pieces Lester, I hope you're jacking it in heaven.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 26, 2019, 11:35:40 PM
Shais been really good this series. Didn’t know his outside shooting was this good
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on April 26, 2019, 11:38:38 PM
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Trail Blazers center Enes Kanter on Friday said he has a separated left shoulder and his status for the Western Conference semifinals remains uncertain.
Sorry to any other players I jinx by posting something positive about them.

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Kevin Durant, I believe your listed height. Your uniform fitting tattoos aren't in any way weird. You're the real Warriors hero, not those other guys who were there for five plus years and won 73 games in a season. The ESPN business series is entertaining, informative and inspiring.
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on April 27, 2019, 01:38:41 AM
 :bow Kevin Durant :bow2

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:doge
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Akala on April 27, 2019, 09:13:25 AM
 Dammit benji :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on April 27, 2019, 09:44:47 AM
Quote from: Zach Lowe
Milwaukee is hell-bent on taking away shots at the rim and free throws, but Boston is already terrible at producing either. The Celtics ranked dead last in free throw rate and 27th in the share of shots that came at the basket. Most teams lose something against Milwaukee. Boston is already playing how Milwaukee wants its opponents to play.
neat
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 27, 2019, 11:54:50 AM
Boston also already sucks so...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on April 28, 2019, 01:39:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-yx6POA9sE

pop da god
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2019, 02:39:02 PM
Giannis just having an awful game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Let's Cyber on April 28, 2019, 05:59:13 PM
Only 22 points on 21 shots plus

https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1122569782778155008

To be fair, LeBron had an awful game 1 against Boston last year too.  Interested to see the Bucks' adjustments because this was a bad loss especially at home.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2019, 10:00:23 PM
The Celts were actually impressive today. Their defense was outstanding.

Rockets and Warriors is just one game but its still hard to envision the rockets taking the series. I guess if you are want the upset it's a good sign that Harden was only 9 of 28 and they still were in it the entire time.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2019, 06:17:39 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26634745/rockets-audited-18-game-7-say-finals-bid-taken
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Beezy on April 29, 2019, 08:46:37 PM
Lol @ a team with Harden and CP3 bitching about non calls
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 30, 2019, 01:12:47 AM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on April 24, 2019, 01:51:22 AM
Portland should make it to the conference finals now, they’re better than...Denver
gonna have to retract this, blazers have absolutely zero answer defensively for jokic and millsap. They might still win but the backcourt needs to average a billion a night to make up the hemorrhaging they give up on the interior. If they had nurkic this’d be a legit series

This also makes the thunders performance look that much worse given how much bigger/more athletic they were
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: curly on April 30, 2019, 05:38:02 AM
Lowry tried to nutmeg the defender on the last possession of the game down 3. I still haven't gotten over it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: team filler on May 01, 2019, 02:10:19 AM
https://twitter.com/Matt_Barnes22/status/1123462160158535680

 ???
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Let's Cyber on May 01, 2019, 06:02:51 AM
Ok, there are the Bucks.

 :obama
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 01, 2019, 02:54:34 PM
If you add 18.6 pts to his stat line, he's dominating every game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 02, 2019, 07:06:26 PM
As much as I love Daryl's mathematical war on the refs, my favorite bad calls have always been the phantoms where the ref is the only person in the universe who sees it.

This is an all-time top favorite playoff foul:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wugrOmbsV3U

edit: this one is pretty good too lol, Joey Crawford was a Hall of Famer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaZIAXJJDKQ
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 02, 2019, 10:52:44 PM
Guys

Are the sixers actually good?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 02, 2019, 11:13:54 PM
https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/1124145869002039296/

what the replies are mad about :lol

Raptors fans hair trigger inferiority complex is my favorite NBA fandom thing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 03, 2019, 03:11:18 AM
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[Pat Riley] played quarterback and forward for Linton High. "We had a great running back, Mike Meola. He'd run and run, and when we were on maybe the three-yard line, the coach would send in another running play for him. I'd check it off. I'd call 'Blue-99,' and he'd stand up in the huddle and go 'Aw, dammit, Riley.' "

Blue-99 was a quarterback sneak. "I loved to score," he says. "I rushed for about 50 yards that year and got 18 touchdowns."
:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 03, 2019, 09:12:02 PM
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The Los Angeles Lakers are proceeding toward an offer to Ty Lue in the coming days and have no plans to introduce new candidates into their head-coaching search
:rejoice KING JAMES :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2019, 01:42:17 AM
This game  :o

CJ

 :ohhh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: team filler on May 04, 2019, 01:53:23 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 03, 2019, 09:12:02 PM
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The Los Angeles Lakers are proceeding toward an offer to Ty Lue in the coming days and have no plans to introduce new candidates into their head-coaching search
:rejoice KING JAMES :rejoice
:whoo :stahp
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2019, 02:13:58 AM
Wild Wild Shit. So many minutes for Jokic
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: CatsCatsCats on May 04, 2019, 10:50:36 AM
4 OT lol wow
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2019, 11:18:18 PM
Great rockets warriors game.

Man Harden's eye is super red. Props for playing through that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2019, 11:21:02 PM
https://twitter.com/TheRenderNBA/status/1124875485534654464
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 05, 2019, 12:38:24 AM
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James said he was given no warning or heads-up on Johnson's decision.

On his HBO show "The Shop," James said he was stretching before the game against Portland when he was told Johnson had told the media of his decision.

"Man, get the f--- out of my face! You bulls---!" James said of his reaction when his longtime friend and business partner Randy Mims told him of what Johnson had done. "I came here to be a part of the Lakers organization having a conversation with Magic."

Johnson was the only Lakers representative who met with James at his Los Angeles home July 1 before James decided to join the Lakers.

Just a few days before Johnson stunned the Lakers and the NBA world with his abrupt decision, he and Lakers general manager Rob Pelinka met with James and James' agent Rich Paul, ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski reported. Johnson gave James no inkling of his decision to come.

"So it was just weird for him to be like, 'I'm out of here,'" James said. "And not even have no like, 'Hey, Bron ... kiss my ass. I'm out of here.' I would have been OK with that."

Lakers teammate Lonzo Ball, who was also on the episode with James, said his reaction was, "That s--- crazy!"
I LOVE LA :whoo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 05, 2019, 05:25:01 AM
heh, of dudes still playing and a reference point:
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Assist Pct
1.   Nikola Jokic • DEN   48.9
*.   Chris Paul • Career     46.4
2.   James Harden • HOU   38.8
3.   Kyrie Irving • BOS   37.4
4.   Kyle Lowry • TOR   29.8
5.   Draymond Green • GSW   28.4
5.   Eric Bledsoe • MIL   28.4
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2019, 06:10:44 PM
Great game for Kawhi

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secretly rooting for sixers so he is more likely to leave Toronto for Lakers
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2019, 06:59:29 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/03/sports/rockets-coaches-nba-playoffs.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: naff on May 05, 2019, 08:05:18 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on April 26, 2019, 05:52:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5hkrlB0nrQ

 :neogaf what

 :lol

that's why westbrook is so cool. he's the RL Raphael
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 06, 2019, 12:55:01 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEczzGcc2p0
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: BisMarckie on May 06, 2019, 06:46:50 AM
SERBIA STRONG
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 06, 2019, 08:46:26 AM
How much are the Spurs kicking themselves that they let Kawaii get away?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 06, 2019, 10:24:46 AM
It's not like they didn't want him or undervalued his worth. He just didn't want to stay.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 06, 2019, 11:17:32 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on May 06, 2019, 10:24:46 AM
It's not like they didn't want him or undervalued his worth. He just didn't want to stay.

I don't know exactly what happened in that last year with San Antonio, but it feels like they could have done more to try to make him happy but didn't think it was worth it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 06, 2019, 11:40:00 PM
Rockets and Harden killing it right now.

Don't break my heart rockets
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: agrajag on May 06, 2019, 11:41:40 PM
:mouf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 07, 2019, 12:07:11 AM
sigh. I feel like Houston was trying to throw that one away down the stretch. I wish they would drive more when the game counts.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 07, 2019, 08:55:54 AM
I hate the Celtics fanbase so I like how upset they are over the team struggling. That includes Bill Simmons.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 07, 2019, 10:26:08 AM
https://twitter.com/AdamHimmelsbach/status/1125580358790066178

Kobe!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 07, 2019, 07:22:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC5gETS_xfI
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 08, 2019, 01:35:57 PM
Evan Turner has twice as many turnovers (6) as made shots (3) in the playoffs. :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 08, 2019, 09:17:21 PM
https://twitter.com/JohnnyNBA/status/1126272321386438656
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 08, 2019, 10:32:36 PM
All the back-biting in Boston this off-season will be delicious.

There will be plenty of hypocrisy to go around. The Bill Simmons types and fanbase will trash kyrie now that he had a disappointing off-season. Even though last season, all I heard was how amazing Kyrie was and how brilliant he was. He was even on the simmons podcast. i guarantee that won't ever happen again.

Normally I side with the player in these situations as most of the fans (and Simmons) are jack-asses but Kyrie was pretty annoying himself on the way out of Cleveland now that he was in a "real sports city".

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 08, 2019, 11:18:03 PM
I saw Barkley was saying that Kyrie should go join LeBron on the Lakers :lol

also, the Lue talks broke down in a wonderful way:
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Negotiations between the Los Angeles Lakers and Tyronn Lue have ended without an agreement to make him the franchise's next head coach, league sources told ESPN.

Lue and his representatives turned down the Lakers' offer Tuesday, league sources said. The Lakers then on Wednesday offered Lue a deal in the range of three years and $18 million, after which Lue's side pulled out of negotiations.

According to the sources, Lue's camp was seeking a five-year deal with a salary commensurate with a championship résumé.

Beyond an inability to agree on contractual terms, the Lakers had proposed several scenarios involving their preferred candidates for assistant coaches, including Jason Kidd, sources said.
The Cavaliers are still paying Lue the $10 million or whatever was on his deal!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2019, 12:24:43 AM
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1126341647648735232
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 09, 2019, 12:34:36 AM
"Paul Pierce sucks" is definitely a spicy NBA meme

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D31wLRYUEAAFbLB.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Kara on May 09, 2019, 12:39:13 AM
Truly an ignoble end for Paul "Vladimir Radmanovic made me an NBA Finals MVP" Pierce. :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2019, 12:40:58 AM
You hate to see an injury but Houston is set up perfectly now. They have this game. They need to close it out here in the 4th
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2019, 12:58:10 AM
Can't believe Houston is throwing this away. Why are they playing so slow.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2019, 01:11:25 AM
Oh rockets.  :beli

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqPRwq3QJsk
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: team filler on May 09, 2019, 01:16:01 AM
nbastreams on reddit is gone  :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2019, 01:25:53 AM
I don't understand why they stopped running the offense through harden. It felt like the offense ran more often through cp3 that final quarter. I don't understand playing one way all season and then in the moment it matters most, going away from it.  :doge

You knew Curry was shooting that quarter no matter what and the offense was running through him. Rockets couldn't do the same...

edit: Chris Paul is slow as shit now. He can't beat anybody off the dribble anymore. I mean I get it. I know he's older now. But it was really an eye opener this series/game for his decline from just a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 09, 2019, 02:37:44 AM
wasn't that basically what they did last year too, when Ariza was taking all those threes even after it was well past the point of being on the side of the math

that was what Harden's whole game was supposed to be this year, the ugly math for when the space and pace fell apart
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 09, 2019, 02:41:46 AM
lol Stoney called it, this went up at 1AM EST: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26702069/kyrie-irving-failed-leadership-tells-story-celtics-failed-season

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Kyrie Irving's failed leadership tells the story of the Celtics' failed season

...

"I knew going in that it was going to be super challenging, but October screamed it," the Celtics coach told ESPN recently. "I knew after the first two exhibition games, it was going to be really, really hard."

It turned out to be harder than he could have imagined. And in the end, it was too difficult to overcome, as Boston suffered a fourth consecutive loss to the Milwaukee Bucks on Wednesday to crash out of the second round of the playoffs.

This was not what was supposed to happen to a team that made the conference finals the past two years -- and then added a healthy Kyrie Irving and Gordon Hayward to the mix.

There are plenty of reasons to explain why this season was so hard, and why these Celtics were so disappointing. At the root of all of them, though, is Irving -- and, more specifically, his leadership through words and actions on and off the court.
now i think i'm getting on board with that goofy theory that they realized that Davis was going to be too much of a clusterfuck to come close on and have resigned themselves to help Kyrie go to the Knicks
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: bluemax on May 09, 2019, 02:44:12 AM
Quote from: filler on May 09, 2019, 01:16:01 AM
nbastreams on reddit is gone  :'(

It was there for the start of the game :/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2019, 08:25:18 AM
Quote from: bluemax on May 09, 2019, 02:44:12 AM
Quote from: filler on May 09, 2019, 01:16:01 AM
nbastreams on reddit is gone  :'(

It was there for the start of the game :/

It's still there. Reddit was just down for a little bit last night post game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2019, 08:45:27 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 09, 2019, 02:41:46 AM
lol Stoney called it, this went up at 1AM EST: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26702069/kyrie-irving-failed-leadership-tells-story-celtics-failed-season

Yeah you knew these media hit pieces were coming. I don't buy it. Or at least I don't buy pinning the season on kyrie and trying to throw him under the bus for the entire season. They overachieved one season and under-achieved the next especially in a year where the East in general got better. You could easily re-title the article, the failed leadership of Brad Stevens or failed gameplay of Gordon Hayward but that's not where the juice is in a story like this.

All that being said, I think Kyrie ultimately needs another big star to compliment him, and the Celtics couldn't bring that to bear this season. Hayward either hasn't recovered from his injury or has been diminished by his injury. The young guys never stepped up to the new level needed. It was basically a rich man's version of the Lakers this year.

I'm still buzzing/thinking about/distracted by that Rockets-Warriors game last night. I feel that will absolutely be a 30 for 30 in 15 or 20 years. That felt so significant in the moment. The Warriors finally fragile. Steph having a bad game up until that point. The rockets and harden having a good game. And then a really bizarre 4th quarter from the Rockets on both ends of the floor. It was as dramatic a storyline as anything I've seen in a basketball game in a long time. I still don't understand it. Even if Durant is done, I don't have extreme confidence in the Rockets after that game.

As far as the Lakers, this drops my low confidence in them to now even more minuscule levels which is why I didn't want Lebron to go there in the first place. The decision making within the franchise is idiotic and dysfunctional. I was never a big fan of Lue in Cleveland but I had come to terms with his selection and had even started to look on the bright side of at least he will understand how to use Lebron in a system, even though his system isn't remotely ideal. They can't even land that and lowball him in a passive aggressive move by management where nobody seems to be in charge. If they fucking hire Jason Kidd, I'll riot

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2019, 03:51:05 PM
Durant supposedly out for the rest of the series and will be re-evaluated in a week.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26709802/source-kd-calf-strain-miss-rest-series
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 09, 2019, 04:05:28 PM
Boston media and assassinating athletes on the way out the door. Name a more iconic duo.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: team filler on May 09, 2019, 06:18:02 PM
https://twitter.com/SBNation/status/1126494536409153536
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 09, 2019, 07:06:34 PM
lol at people acting like Steve Kerr crossed some line by cursing in his press conferences, WHAT IF CHILDREN WERE WATCHING
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2019, 11:42:15 PM
https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1126594705326841862
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: agrajag on May 10, 2019, 05:36:00 AM
Durant is out for the series..
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2019, 10:49:54 AM
Portland Nuggets series has been low key great Nuggets are really fun to watch. And Hood who Lue couldn't get anything out of in Cleveland has been really good in portland.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Let's Cyber on May 10, 2019, 03:26:16 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2019, 10:49:54 AM
Portland Nuggets series has been low key great Nuggets are really fun to watch. And Hood who Lue couldn't get anything out of in Cleveland has been really good in portland.
It's probably been the most competitive series in the playoffs so far. It's been really great to watch.  Dubs/Rockets has been good too, or at least it's been high on drama.

Raptors/76ers has mostly been blowouts in either direction.  :shaq2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2019, 11:33:42 PM
Rockets

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AridIdenticalHippopotamus-size_restricted.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 10, 2019, 11:39:45 PM
that game was super high drama
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2019, 11:49:00 PM
I mean I'm not sure what to say. The rockets are probably the 2nd best team in the league again. They played the Warriors for the 2nd year in a row in what essentially was the NBA Finals again. There is no shame in coming up second to the Warriors generally speaking because nobody in this era can beat this stacked team but I mean this was the opportunity and year where they could have and should have. Not taking advantage of the Durant injury is a killer that is gonna haunt this franchise for quite awhile.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 10, 2019, 11:56:05 PM
https://twitter.com/mutsackcraig/status/1127053580144381952
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: team filler on May 11, 2019, 12:28:36 AM
https://twitter.com/D_West30/status/1127056001901797376
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Fifstar on May 11, 2019, 03:29:03 AM
Quote from: filler on May 11, 2019, 12:28:36 AM
https://twitter.com/D_West30/status/1127056001901797376

Eh, without their ugly statistics driven by ball they're probably an average team.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 11, 2019, 08:38:11 AM
says the ring chaser. Fuck off West.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Nola on May 11, 2019, 09:15:05 AM
Quote from: Fifstar on May 11, 2019, 03:29:03 AM
Quote from: filler on May 11, 2019, 12:28:36 AM
https://twitter.com/D_West30/status/1127056001901797376

Eh, without their ugly statistics driven by ball they're probably an average team.

Without all that nerd shit West is ringless.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Let's Cyber on May 11, 2019, 07:33:10 PM
The Lakers are a disaster.

 :kobeyuck

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26723733/vogel-coach-lakers-kidd-staff

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Let's Cyber on May 11, 2019, 07:41:24 PM
Bonus:

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-free-agency-rumors-kyrie-irving-has-had-discussions-about-playing-for-lakers-per-report/

Possible Cleveland West.  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 11, 2019, 10:14:14 PM
Not a huge fan of the vogel thing but I'd be fine with Kyrie on the Lakers. Until this post-season everybody loved Kyrie game. Players have bad post-seasons. It happens. Kawhi would still be my dream choice but I'd be cool with Kyrie as an addition.

I don't think the Anthony Davis thing is happening so I don't even bother to think about it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Steve Contra on May 11, 2019, 10:29:57 PM
I'm a Warriors fan but honestly I would have been happy with anyone knocking out the Rockets. I can't fault them for for playing to win, but God what ugly basketball.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2019, 06:29:21 PM
Good for Portland. I would have been happy to see either team advance. Also a nice win against the punditry which was telling them to split up Mcollum and Liliard after last post season
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2019, 06:41:46 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26731947/mavs-porzingis-involved-bloody-altercation

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TMZ reported that the men who attacked Porzingis were upset that he left the New York Knicks, who traded him to the Mavericks on Jan. 31 due in part to the All-Star being disgruntled with the franchise.


lol bullshit.

I don't believe that people in Latvia care about the New York Knicks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2019, 11:11:24 PM
Great day of Basketball.

I was rooting for the 76ers for selfish reasons but its pretty cool to see the two best teams out of the East play each other.

I don't have much hope for the Blazers but good on them for getting so far.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Let's Cyber on May 13, 2019, 12:21:08 AM
Kawhi da gawd.

 :ohyeah

It's basically an annual tradition for the Dubs to suck the soul out of Portland in the playoffs so I'm not hopeful but it would be a nice redemption story if they somehow pulled it off. Could be end up being interesting if Durant is out for a few more weeks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: bluemax on May 13, 2019, 01:23:14 AM
Quote from: filler on May 11, 2019, 12:28:36 AM
https://twitter.com/D_West30/status/1127056001901797376

Yes because the Warriors don't invest heavily in metrics... oh wait, they do!

Quote from: Let's Cyber on May 11, 2019, 07:33:10 PM
The Lakers are a disaster.

 :kobeyuck

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26723733/vogel-coach-lakers-kidd-staff

The Lakers have been transforming into Knick West for years. It turns out modern players aren't completely lured in by the prestige of once famous franchises in big cities.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2019, 11:24:51 PM
https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/1128465208169717760

 :kobeyuck

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I'm a hypocrite. When they went to commercial and the Lakers were gonna be a minimum top 4 pick and still had a chance at the top pick, I was freaking out
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Akala on May 14, 2019, 11:29:10 PM
:lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 14, 2019, 11:34:12 PM
Portland has to make major adjustments on both sides of the ball. Shit didn’t even feel like a playoff game
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 14, 2019, 11:54:45 PM
Quote
Zion Williamson was quickly whisked out of the room after Pelicans were announced the winner of the draft lottery. Source said the former Duke star was rooting to go to New York
this year has been :delicious
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2019, 12:17:13 AM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on May 14, 2019, 11:34:12 PM
Portland has to make major adjustments on both sides of the ball. Shit didn’t even feel like a playoff game

Unfortunately Rockets/Warriors was probably the real nba finals.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 15, 2019, 12:52:00 AM
idk, I think Milwaukee’s probably better than Houston and Torontos close enough. Either one’ll have home court in the finals too
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Nola on May 15, 2019, 08:38:22 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2019, 11:24:51 PM
https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/1128465208169717760

 :kobeyuck

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I'm a hypocrite. When they went to commercial and the Lakers were gonna be a minimum top 4 pick and still had a chance at the top pick, I was freaking out
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Better video



https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/1128498723619778561

Not always sold on him as a coach, but how can anyone not love Alvin Gentry?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Nola on May 15, 2019, 09:42:25 AM
Quote from: Glen on May 15, 2019, 04:19:07 AM
Lakers moving up from 11th to 4th is pretty great. We should be able to get a good player.

I’d rather not trade for a star when we have a max slot, unless we strike out on everyone good.

People are sleeping on Garland because he went down early in the season but he has all the tools you look for in a modern NBA guard: elite shooting, elite ball handling, good passing ability, can play on and off ball. Of course, Lebron and LA aren't about that development life.

I think I even like him more than Barrett tbh.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 15, 2019, 09:50:13 AM
Quote from: Zach Lowe
Gentry wore a black tie with silver-gray striping. It was his good-luck charm. David Griffin, New Orleans' new executive vice president of basketball operations, gave it to Gentry. Griffin was a member of the Cleveland Cavaliers' front office during a stretch in which the Cavs won three lotteries in four years, from 2011 to 2014. Each time, a man named Jeff Cohen -- a former vice chair for the Cavs and confidant of owner Dan Gilbert -- represented the team in the drawing room.

I began referring to Cohen as a warlock. Gilbert and Cohen had some sort of falling out, and the Cavs have not had him in the room in either of the past two lotteries. (Cleveland owned Brooklyn's pick a year ago.) I half-jokingly said the Cavs had cursed themselves.

And then Gentry revealed the ultimate plot twist: The tie Gentry wore Tuesday was the same one Cohen wore in each of those three lottery wins. Griffin had phoned Cohen and asked for a good-luck charm in the lead-up to the lottery, he told ESPN.com in the aftermath Tuesday. Cohen scoffed at the idea that any trinket could win the favor of the lottery gods. Griffin asked if he might please send the tie. Cohen did. Griffin passed it on to Gentry.

Put Jeff Cohen and his damned tie in the Hall of Fame. Gentry said he is going to frame the tie and the lottery balls, and hang it in the Pelicans' practice facility.

...

Between Griffin, Cohen and Cohen's tie, I'm starting to believe in some real mystical stuff. I'm a little scared. I also worry that in excising all three, the Cavaliers will suffer years of self-inflicted bad luck.
yikes, i hope the NBA is looking into this
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2019, 09:51:41 AM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on May 15, 2019, 12:52:00 AM
idk, I think Milwaukee’s probably better than Houston and Torontos close enough. Either one’ll have home court in the finals too

I hope milwaukee or Toronto are able to provide a challenge.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 15, 2019, 10:33:34 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 15, 2019, 09:50:13 AM
Quote from: Zach Lowe
Gentry wore a black tie with silver-gray striping. It was his good-luck charm. David Griffin, New Orleans' new executive vice president of basketball operations, gave it to Gentry. Griffin was a member of the Cleveland Cavaliers' front office during a stretch in which the Cavs won three lotteries in four years, from 2011 to 2014. Each time, a man named Jeff Cohen -- a former vice chair for the Cavs and confidant of owner Dan Gilbert -- represented the team in the drawing room.

I began referring to Cohen as a warlock. Gilbert and Cohen had some sort of falling out, and the Cavs have not had him in the room in either of the past two lotteries. (Cleveland owned Brooklyn's pick a year ago.) I half-jokingly said the Cavs had cursed themselves.

And then Gentry revealed the ultimate plot twist: The tie Gentry wore Tuesday was the same one Cohen wore in each of those three lottery wins. Griffin had phoned Cohen and asked for a good-luck charm in the lead-up to the lottery, he told ESPN.com in the aftermath Tuesday. Cohen scoffed at the idea that any trinket could win the favor of the lottery gods. Griffin asked if he might please send the tie. Cohen did. Griffin passed it on to Gentry.

Put Jeff Cohen and his damned tie in the Hall of Fame. Gentry said he is going to frame the tie and the lottery balls, and hang it in the Pelicans' practice facility.

...

Between Griffin, Cohen and Cohen's tie, I'm starting to believe in some real mystical stuff. I'm a little scared. I also worry that in excising all three, the Cavaliers will suffer years of self-inflicted bad luck.
yikes, i hope the NBA is looking into this

https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1128465037364989954
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 15, 2019, 05:22:32 PM
Toronto doesn't seem like it has as many paths to challenging for it as Milwaukee. They're basically surviving on Kawhi going nuts. Outside of Siakam, the rest of that team is looking uggggly on offense these playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 15, 2019, 06:32:19 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 15, 2019, 05:22:32 PM
Toronto doesn't seem like it has as many paths to challenging for it as Milwaukee. They're basically surviving on Kawhi going nuts. Outside of Siakam, the rest of that team is looking uggggly on offense these playoffs.
this is right, but it’s also right of Houston, which was harden + tucker + assorted trash. I’ll amend what I said, Milwaukee is definitely better than Houston, who’s about the same as Toronto.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Let's Cyber on May 15, 2019, 07:53:11 PM
I'd put both Toronto and Milwaukee at least a half step above the Houston but I only say that because I'm a stupid naive idiot hoping for an upset.

Golden State is inevitable.

 :fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: agrajag on May 15, 2019, 10:15:33 PM
lol bucks are gonna lose at home
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: TEEEPO on May 15, 2019, 11:16:44 PM
 :girlaff
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 17, 2019, 11:39:31 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26769841/tyreke-evans-disqualified-nba-2-years

Not surprised.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2019, 01:29:20 PM
https://people.com/tv/lamar-odom-used-prosthetic-penis-pass-drug-test-2004-olympics/

 :jawalrus
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 19, 2019, 04:41:21 PM
Warriors should probably just rest Durant for the rest of the playoffs if they can. Send him to his place in New York for rehabbing and relaxing in case they need him in the Finals.

 :teehee
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: naff on May 19, 2019, 07:56:38 PM
Quote from: WaPo on RJ Barrett https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/05/17/nba-mock-draft-projecting-lottery-picks-behind-zion-williamson/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.318d5dab4671
His defenders love his natural scoring ability, his alpha dog mind-set, and his craftiness with the ball in his hands. Meanwhile, his detractors question his shot selection, shaky efficiency numbers and his ball-dominance.

sounds perfect for nyc
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 19, 2019, 10:16:06 PM
that was just an absurd game that got increasingly absurd

three-fifths of the Bucks seemed determined to shoot the team out of the game before Toronto could do the same to themselves, but it was a silly turnover there that finally took out the Bucks... Gasol and Powell contributing well for the Raptors and yet the Bucks still kept coming despite half the team missing seemingly everything they attempted
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 21, 2019, 04:07:37 AM
do this without KD Dubs, keep making us love you again, cut him off early :bolo

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don't care if that means the Bucks would probably tear you the fuck apart like you did to Cleveland :doge
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 21, 2019, 06:00:44 AM
Classic Moments in Golden State Warriors history: https://www.si.com/vault/1987/02/02/114789/will-the-sleeping-giant-ever-awake-golden-state-viewed-rookie-chris-washburn-as-a-diamond-in-the-rough-but-his-season-has-been-a-lot-rougher-so-far-than-anyone-anticipated
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"I don't see what being five minutes late has to do with anything," [Chris] Washburn says. He is standing outside his town house high in the Oakland hills. He is not wearing a shirt. A woman backs her car out of the driveway next door, feigning nonchalance, looking the other way while attempting to get a better glimpse of this colossus. She backs into the car parked across the street.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 21, 2019, 11:34:14 AM
Have we hit peak Lakers schadenfreude yet with Magic airing all the dirty laundry on Stephen A's show, or are there more Game of Thrones plotlines to be teased out?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: team filler on May 21, 2019, 08:05:05 PM
https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1130858310931034116

 :o
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: team filler on May 22, 2019, 05:21:07 PM
https://twitter.com/KDTrey5/status/1131237249398366209

https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard/status/1131239169462743040
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 22, 2019, 11:26:02 PM
Say what you will about Stephen A., dude's mostly doing a schtick on air, but people do talk to him. How Chris Broussard remains in the industry is baffling. The MULTIPLE SOURCES thing happened to him like four times in a year!

(http://i.imgur.com/O5EprVj.jpg)

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(http://i.imgur.com/IHbHOA4.png)
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 22, 2019, 11:28:22 PM
lol at when you search for certain "NBA memes" and you get a really old reddit thread that's been half deleted, article links are busted, and half the users are probably dead but all the imgur links still work
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: BisMarckie on May 22, 2019, 11:28:55 PM
I learned to hate him way back in 2010. The way he said Lebraaaan made me irrationally angry for something so minor and inconsequential.  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Nola on May 23, 2019, 11:19:55 PM
 :heh :heh :heh :heh :heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 24, 2019, 04:10:30 PM
The Morey Reckoning continues:
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A second Rockets assistant coach will not return next season. Roy Rogers and the Rockets have mutually agreed to part ways, sources told ESPN.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: team filler on May 24, 2019, 08:16:09 PM
https://twitter.com/JasmineLWatkins/status/1131761332662034432
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: agrajag on May 24, 2019, 09:14:30 PM
she should invite Adonis to the game and give him courtside seats
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: eleuin on May 25, 2019, 11:15:20 PM
RAPTORS BITTTTTCH

warriors in 4 still  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 26, 2019, 02:48:46 AM
Impressive job by the Raptors to just completely shut down Giannis and the Bucks for 4 straight. Redemption for Kawhi since so many people were claiming their teams shouldn't trade for him.

That being said, the Warriors still seem like the heavy favorites, especially if Durant can come back. But I'm rooting for the raptors to end the dynasty.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 26, 2019, 05:08:16 AM
fuck canada

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i still enjoy seeing franchises make it for the first time (or at least the first time in a long time, like the bucks would have been)
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Fifstar on May 26, 2019, 08:32:21 AM
I like the Warriors but Kawhi deserves it for those fantastic two series. I slightly favour the Raptors if Durant doesn't come back. If he is fit, Warriors will probably win with ease.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 26, 2019, 04:11:23 PM
https://twitter.com/espn/status/1132725235457888256
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 27, 2019, 08:54:27 PM
https://twitter.com/espn/status/1133125076306604033

 :gladbron :whew :rejoice :ohyou
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2019, 12:12:40 PM
The Reckoning:
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Houston Rockets general manager Daryl Morey has made his entire roster and future draft picks available in trade talks, a dramatic initiative with hopes of reshaping the team into a championship contender, league sources told ESPN.

The possibility of trading All-NBA guard James Harden is believed to be extremely limited, but the rest of the roster -- including even Chris Paul and Clint Capela -- could be more realistic trade targets, sources said.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2019, 12:14:12 PM
long piece on the Laker clusterfuck: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26821790/lakers-20-failed-reboot-nba-crown-jewel
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In his remarks, Johnson expressed excitement about the task ahead, but he also made clear he didn't accept excuses or mistakes, and that those who weren't on board with the new management and their mission should leave, according to six staffers who were present.

Pointing upstairs, toward his office, Johnson drove home his point. He had a large stack of resumes sitting on his desk -- "a thousand" of them, multiple staffers recall him saying -- and he could replace any of them at any time.

"It was shocking," said one Lakers coaching staff member who was present. "If you're going to be in this business, you bring enough pressure on yourself. You don't need more pressure, especially from someone who's supposed to be an ally."

The message would set the tone for what many staffers describe as Johnson's confrontational demeanor over the next two years. "If you questioned him on anything, his response was always a threatening tone," said a Lakers front office staffer who interacted with Johnson directly. "He used intimidation and bullying as a way of showing authority."
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In November, NBA commissioner Adam Silver and Maverick Carter, LeBron's longtime business partner, met for lunch. James' agent, Rich Paul, was seated at a nearby table, and at one point, approached Silver to complain about Walton, multiple sources familiar with the interaction told ESPN. Paul said he didn't believe Walton was the right coach for the Lakers. Silver shrugged off the remark and asked whom Paul thought would be the right coach. Paul suggested Tyronn Lue.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: team filler on May 29, 2019, 02:42:55 PM
 :mueller :fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 29, 2019, 03:22:57 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 24, 2019, 04:10:30 PM
The Morey Reckoning continues:
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A second Rockets assistant coach will not return next season. Roy Rogers and the Rockets have mutually agreed to part ways, sources told ESPN.

Is his horse, Trigger, still in the front office?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2019, 03:41:30 PM
Nope, they're also no longer serving his chicken sandwiches either.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2019, 10:21:55 PM
Go Raptors!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: team filler on May 30, 2019, 11:23:34 PM
 :o
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Post by: agrajag on May 30, 2019, 11:24:08 PM
the weakest GS has looked this entire playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 30, 2019, 11:38:36 PM
Just one game but nice.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: eleuin on May 30, 2019, 11:57:50 PM
 :heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 31, 2019, 12:28:42 AM
I hear ya'll like getting cunucked
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Post by: benjipwns on May 31, 2019, 12:31:16 PM
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/521375679938297860/583874590355226624/image0.jpg?width=526&height=615)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: team filler on June 02, 2019, 09:00:08 PM
 :whoo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: BisMarckie on June 02, 2019, 09:51:54 PM
This 3rd quarter by Toronto :juicy
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: team filler on June 02, 2019, 10:05:37 PM
I think only being down 8 going into the 4th is a win for them  :-[
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: team filler on June 02, 2019, 10:55:31 PM
 :piss :heh :piss2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: team filler on June 05, 2019, 08:24:42 PM
https://twitter.com/PFTCommenter/status/1136419223679279105
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: BisMarckie on June 05, 2019, 08:33:50 PM
:hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 05, 2019, 09:05:54 PM
Huge game tonight. I guess people are saying klay is out tonight
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Post by: benjipwns on June 05, 2019, 10:12:37 PM
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Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban, in L.A. for a downtown speaking engagement, couldn't stifle a grin when asked about the current state of the Los Angeles Lakers.

"The more screwed up they are, the happier I am," Cuban told ESPN.
:american
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Post by: agrajag on June 05, 2019, 11:44:20 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/xWPzQgQ.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on June 05, 2019, 11:58:54 PM
Warriors are losing in the Finals because nobody left can seem to shoot, Kyrie's people are telling every ESPN talking head that he's leaving Boston, Lakers are still a disaster area and everybody's cracking jokes about it publicly, Jay Williams thinks Kawhi is still headed to the Clippers even if the Raptors win, Pelicans are still getting Zion while the trade partners implode, Vince Carter will play one final season, Paul Pierce seems to be confirming he pooped himself in 2008 (https://twitter.com/brohrbach/status/1136431565674819586), The Morey Reckoning is even changing the Rockets uniforms

Everything is seemingly spinning out of control! (https://www.commondreams.org/news/2008/06/22/everything-seemingly-spinning-out-control)
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Post by: eleuin on June 06, 2019, 12:38:26 AM
 :heh :heh

Mods implement a sad drake face I can use when raps have a L
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: BisMarckie on June 06, 2019, 08:13:54 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 05, 2019, 11:58:54 PM
Paul Pierce seems to be confirming he pooped himself in 2008 (https://twitter.com/brohrbach/status/1136431565674819586),

El Babua vindicated. :rejoice
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Post by: ToxicAdam on June 06, 2019, 09:15:27 AM
Don't ruin revered Boston sports mythos.

Next you're going to tell me that Curt Schilling's bloody sock was caused by open sores from his gout.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 06, 2019, 03:30:21 PM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26912173/nba-bans-warriors-investor-shoving-lowry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 07, 2019, 03:23:23 PM
Biggest game of the year tonight. Probably of the last two seasons honestly.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 07, 2019, 04:31:20 PM
Without Mark Stevens on the court to keep Lowry in check, things look grim for the Warriors.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on June 07, 2019, 10:46:53 PM
Tight game. Raptors just don't go away even though its felt like the Warriors have been in control most of the night.
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Post by: benjipwns on June 07, 2019, 10:50:18 PM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26914571/gsw-owner-wife-jay-z-chat-led-threats
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Nicole Curran, the wife of Golden State Warriors owner Joe Lacob, said Thursday that she received death threats on social media and even deleted her Instagram account after what some considered a less-than-cheerful reaction from Beyonce to Curran talking with Jay-Z courtside.

A brief clip showed the famous couple courtside during Wednesday night's NBA Finals game at Oracle Arena. In it, Beyonce and Jay-Z are seen smiling and waving, when Curran leans over to talk to Jay-Z. Beyonce's smile goes away as the camera cuts back to the game. The clip went viral on a number of social media sites, with Curran portrayed as upsetting the superstar singer.

Curran said she was asking Jay-Z and Beyonce if they wanted a drink, because the Warriors had invited them to the game. She told ESPN's Ramona Shelburne that Jay-Z asked for a vodka soda, and she leaned over -- into the space near Beyonce, because of the loudness of the crowd -- to ask him if he wanted a lime with it. At that point, Beyonce is seen looking serious, and then down at the floor.

"There was no hostility," Curran told Shelburne. "I was trying to be a good hostess."

She added: "I've never experienced cyber bullying like this. I can't believe our players go through this. That kids go through this."
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Post by: Stoney Mason on June 07, 2019, 10:53:17 PM
Jeez when did Serge Ibaka get really good again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on June 07, 2019, 10:53:36 PM
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Alex McKechnie was one of North America's most respected athletic trainers and scientists. NBA players pilgrimaged for years to visit him in Vancouver when they had injuries or needed rehab. For example, he's credited with helping save Shaquille O'Neal's prime years by treating O'Neal's abdominal injuries in the late 1990s. O'Neal was so effusive that the Los Angeles Lakers hired the Scottish native, and he was with them for five titles between 1999 and 2011.

But when the NBA lockout hit in 2011, the Lakers allowed numerous staff members' contracts to expire so they didn't have to pay them during the lockout. The richest team in the league then lost its prized trainer when the Raptors, then led by general manager Bryan Colangelo, swooped in and hired McKechnie after the Lakers left him unemployed.

Now, seven years later and with more than 40 years' experience in the field, McKechnie was the point man when the Raptors took on the challenge of caring for Leonard. Providing good care for Leonard and building trust with him was absolutely vital after those bonds eroded in San Antonio.
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Post by: benjipwns on June 07, 2019, 10:56:47 PM
The Taurean Prince deal is interesting, I thought he was a likely extension candidate after last season, now he's another young player the Nets roped in at a bargain price while making more cap room:
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Nets get: Taurean Prince, 2021 second-round pick

Hawks get: Allen Crabbe, No. 17 pick in 2019, lottery-protected 2020 first-round pick
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 07, 2019, 10:57:11 PM
Massive third quarter for the Raptors. Please keep it going Raps. Don't pull a houston.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on June 07, 2019, 10:59:06 PM
third quarter is usually the Warriors thing
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Post by: agrajag on June 07, 2019, 11:05:54 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 07, 2019, 10:59:06 PM
third quarter is usually the Warriors thing

(https://i.imgflip.com/132zls.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on June 07, 2019, 11:27:07 PM
just play Ibaka, don't save him, not at this point

benching guys for fouls gives the same effect as if you lose them to fouling out (still mad at Larry Brown 15 years later for this) :doge

redarded explanation
Larry Brown had a rule that if you picked up two fouls before the half you sat until the second half, no matter who you were. The world's stupidest foul rule, it was fine in 2004 when the Pistons had a bench, it didn't work so well the next year when they had to play basically seven guys only.
[close]
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Post by: Stoney Mason on June 07, 2019, 11:29:41 PM
My feelings right now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pusZXECS0mM
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Post by: benjipwns on June 07, 2019, 11:32:40 PM
think that Kawhi steal to Lowry might have been it
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Post by: agrajag on June 07, 2019, 11:36:01 PM
it's been it for a while
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Post by: benjipwns on June 07, 2019, 11:37:43 PM
Quote from: agrajag on June 07, 2019, 11:36:01 PM
it's been it for a while
ya warriors are just plain garbage without best player, best shooter, MVP and media superstar @KDTrey5
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on June 07, 2019, 11:38:49 PM
VanVleet had seven stitches, hope they ban Shaun Livingston for a year
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Post by: agrajag on June 07, 2019, 11:40:35 PM
more like Shaun Killingston

 :rodney
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Post by: eleuin on June 08, 2019, 12:05:40 AM
:heh :heh :heh
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Post by: benjipwns on June 08, 2019, 01:23:10 AM
oh shit VanVleet also lost a tooth, yikes
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Post by: team filler on June 08, 2019, 05:11:50 PM
https://twitter.com/CableThanos_/status/1137456902055448576
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Post by: benjipwns on June 10, 2019, 02:42:33 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ghp5aTQ3MGk
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Post by: benjipwns on June 10, 2019, 02:59:23 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prVd6oCUmtE

this prison FT conversation, Chauncey instantly knowing it's free money :lawd

"shut up Paul, don't touch me" :lol
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Post by: benjipwns on June 10, 2019, 11:36:21 AM
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The New Orleans Pelicans are hiring former UConn and WNBA star Swin Cash for a senior front-office position, league sources told ESPN.

The team will name Cash vice president of basketball operations and team development, sources said. She will scout, help guide player development on and off the floor, and assume other roles within the organization.

This is the latest in a string of major hirings by David Griffin, the Pelicans' new executive president of basketball operations -- and the man charged with handling the Anthony Davis situation. Last month, Griffin hired Aaron Nelson, head of the Phoenix Suns' highly regarded training staff for two decades, as the Pelicans' new vice president of player care and performance. Two weeks later, Griffin hired Trajan Langdon away from the Brooklyn Nets to serve as the Pelicans' new general manager.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2019, 03:04:58 PM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26941781/source-durant-plans-play-game-5-monday
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2019, 09:43:08 PM
Durant looks good. Especially his stroke.
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Post by: team filler on June 10, 2019, 09:52:03 PM
 :fbm
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Post by: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2019, 09:52:26 PM
Damn. Can't fault Durant. He gave it a go but re-aggravated injury. He could shoot but clearly his movement was compromised. He basically just needed to be a jump shooter this game. 
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Post by: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2019, 10:43:51 PM
Not a must win now that Durant is officially done for the series but a little disappointing Raptors aren't taking advantage and putting on the choke hold.
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Post by: Akala on June 10, 2019, 10:59:38 PM
crazy game. I want a GS win so it keeps going. 
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Post by: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2019, 11:24:54 PM
those kawhi three's

 :obama
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Post by: El Babua on June 10, 2019, 11:25:20 PM
Kawhi :dead

It's over
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Post by: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2019, 11:28:01 PM
Mark Jackson. "It's time for the grown folks to send the kids up to bed".

I laughed because the analogy he is using is for fucking.

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Post by: team filler on June 10, 2019, 11:33:41 PM
 :o
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Post by: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2019, 11:35:10 PM
Huge warrior three's.

The curry one was fine but not sure how you leave Klay that wide open.
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Post by: Akala on June 10, 2019, 11:39:26 PM
Choooo  :gladbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2019, 11:40:38 PM
Have to tip the hat to the Warriors. Nice win in a game full of drama and intensity.

I still think the Raps will take it in one of the next two but Warriors did not go down easy.
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Post by: eleuin on June 11, 2019, 12:01:38 AM
that timeout even if kawhi was gassed was dumb as hell
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Post by: Stoney Mason on June 11, 2019, 12:39:31 AM
On a side note I wonder if Durant seriously hurt himself and basically hurt his chances of playing next season to try to play in this game. Unfortunate if that is the case. I would have rather he just sat as a fan.
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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 11, 2019, 12:44:51 AM
It’s an achilles
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: team filler on June 11, 2019, 01:09:32 AM
 :fbm
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Post by: team filler on June 11, 2019, 01:59:33 AM
https://twitter.com/anthonyVslater/status/1138296112153075712

https://twitter.com/ScottStrazzante/status/1138293172080193536
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Post by: ToxicAdam on June 11, 2019, 02:30:18 AM
That Lowry turnover with about 1:30 left was huge.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on June 11, 2019, 11:18:25 AM
I know this is gonna be the hot take from every talking head but I never liked the way the Warriors handled this whole KD injury thing. I thought they originally soft pedaled the seriousness of the injury for gamesmanship reasons and then to allow him to come back like this was not a great idea. I didn't just feel that last night. I've been feeling it ever since he got hurt.

I compare it to the ways the Cavs handled injuries to kyrie and love that first year. They announced both players would not be back for the entire playoffs. And that stopped the idea of the player trying to pull a Willis Reed style comeback. The warriors wouldn't do that for whatever reasons and openly teased it since the day after he got injured. People will say Durant wanted to play but that's not solely the player's responsibility. The medical staff has to have the veto in those situations and look out for the player.

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Post by: Stoney Mason on June 11, 2019, 03:32:29 PM
https://gfycat.com/weeklybaggybongo

respect
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Post by: Akala on June 11, 2019, 08:19:07 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 11, 2019, 03:32:29 PM
https://gfycat.com/weeklybaggybongo

respect

I mean guy has a KD tat yeah? Liked how most they showed around were cool and didn't want to see that. The crowd cheering when he went down was dirty, but didn't really see anything bad when the cameras were on or anything.

I feel so bad for KD, that is awful. Kind of sucks as it surprised no one really.

I think odds favor the raps at moment, they have looked the better team most of the series. I wouldn't put money on it though, those last three minutes last night were kind of a dumpster fire. Dubs were committing unforced errors and Toronto didn't put them away. If GSW can run off two wins they will never live it down.   :heh
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Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2019, 08:00:46 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 19, 2019, 04:41:21 PM
Warriors should probably just rest Durant for the rest of the playoffs if they can. Send him to his place in New York for rehabbing and relaxing in case they need him in the Finals.

 :teehee
Quote
Warriors star forward Kevin Durant flew to New York City on Tuesday and was set to undergo an MRI on his injured Achilles, sources told ESPN.
stop me before i kill again
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Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2019, 05:59:16 PM
Durant is expected to be out for the entire 2019-20 season:
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"What's good everybody I wanted to update you all: I did rupture my Achilles. Surgery was today and it was a success," Durant wrote in the post, which accompanied a picture of him in a hospital.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0PdcPC2M_4
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Post by: agrajag on June 12, 2019, 07:19:15 PM
GS management derailed Durant's career
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2019, 07:40:23 PM
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ESPN canvassed the league after Durant's injury, asking front offices if they would still offer the All-Star forward a max contract. The answer from teams was a resounding yes.

Teams that ESPN talked to also confirmed that they would not add injury protections to the final two years of a contract to hedge against a reoccurring injury. Such protections, if proposed, could resemble the contract extension Joel Embiid signed with the Philadelphia 76ers in 2017.
Well obviously the Knicks don't care, they gave Amare $100 million uninsured. What's $30 million for a way better player.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 12, 2019, 07:41:32 PM
Quote from: agrajag on June 12, 2019, 07:19:15 PM
GS management derailed Durant's career

What are the odds that he opts out and some desperate team maxes him out anyway? Gotta be pretty high, right?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 12, 2019, 07:42:53 PM
n/m, Benji already doxxed the NBA and answered my question
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Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2019, 07:46:51 PM
opting in would be a hell of a move, I have to think they were thinking he'd leave and bail them out of having to decide on paying all of the guys and eat like a billion with the repeater tax
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Post by: ToxicAdam on June 12, 2019, 11:24:44 PM
I don’t understand how LA/Boston and NO are having talks in a 3 way deal. Who would be the team that gets AD?

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Post by: Akala on June 12, 2019, 11:38:06 PM
I mean it would be LA.  :lol

I just don't want zo.

RE:KD I would take the player option, but if people are actually going to roll the dice on a max you do you. I hope he comes back from it. Before Pels lucked into Zion I figured we'd lose the team to Seattle and KD would end up there in the end as a glorious circle.  :doge
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Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2019, 11:45:38 PM
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Boston Celtics star Kyrie Irving is changing representation and is expected to partner with Roc Nation Sports, league sources told ESPN.

Irving parted ways with longtime agent Jeff Wechsler on Wednesday, clearing the way for him to ultimately work with Jay-Z's Roc Nation prior to the start of NBA free agency on June 30, sources said.

Irving, a six-time All-Star, will become an unrestricted free agent, and league sources say he remains intensely interested in the Brooklyn Nets. The New York Knicks are expected to remain competitive for Irving, too, sources tell ESPN.

The Nets and Knicks have both hoped to sign Irving and Kevin Durant together into max salary slots. Durant's free agency has been complicated by a ruptured right Achilles tendon that will keep him out of the entire 2019-20 season. The Knicks and Nets are both still interested in signing Durant and Irving together, league sources said.

Wechsler had represented Irving since he was the No. 1 overall pick out of Duke in 2011
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2019, 12:38:35 AM
I hadn't noticed this one during it:
Quote from: Zach Lowe
Hold up: Did Cook use a fake timeout in the fourth quarter of an elimination game in the NBA Finals? "I did," he told me. "I practice that in my mind. Anytime Steve tells me to take [a timeout], I think about doing it." (Cook said Kerr indeed asked for a timeout, and you can see Kerr signaling for one.) "It's an NBA thing. You kinda point at the ref. But when I went to point the ref, Norman Powell cut me off, so I made a move."

I have long advocated that every team should have the fake timeout in its playbook. Cook says Curry does it now and then, but Cook has been a little wary of stepping out of his lane. He also worried this column might put Toronto onto the scent. I don't think so. The fake timeout works.
Sam Cassell and Baron Davis used to have brutal versions of this, they'd dribble cross court slowly towards the bench, Davis would just jet suddenly past everybody while Sam had to be a little more clever about it but dudes fell for it every time with those two it felt like. Best part of the fake timeout is that you can just call one, especially if the coach actually wants one, that was always Baron's bail out. :lol
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Post by: team filler on June 13, 2019, 10:03:01 PM
green to iggy  :-[
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 13, 2019, 10:12:45 PM
Very good first half of basketball. For both sides.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Akala on June 13, 2019, 10:53:17 PM
 :-\

Edit:

 :gladbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 13, 2019, 10:54:05 PM
crazy
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 13, 2019, 10:55:28 PM
Keep on hearing the street people from my apartment. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: team filler on June 13, 2019, 10:57:20 PM
forgot the wheelshair
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Akala on June 13, 2019, 10:58:39 PM
Getting sloppy, has been too good a game to fall apart now.  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2019, 11:04:18 PM
Klay's up to 24/41 from three in this series, there needs to be some kind of rule against this.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2019, 11:21:32 PM
Lowry with those slow fakes in the paint are hilarious
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2019, 11:24:11 PM
lmao Draymond
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Akala on June 13, 2019, 11:25:19 PM
Honestly fine with either result but I want a game 7.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2019, 11:26:20 PM
that was just an awful minute for the Warriors
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2019, 11:30:32 PM
Raptors are jamming every cut borderline perfectly at this point

no idea what the Warriors are doing on defense
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Akala on June 13, 2019, 11:32:04 PM
Death lineup out there.  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2019, 11:34:05 PM
there ya go Boogie, SHOOT

him and Draymond were both trying to use Lowry guarding them in the paint for a foul :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2019, 11:37:36 PM
put Gasol back in
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2019, 11:38:33 PM
cmon not putting Gasol back in wtf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: TEEEPO on June 13, 2019, 11:38:42 PM
what the fuck at these refs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2019, 11:39:48 PM
Gasol would have made the right pass

 :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2019, 11:41:41 PM
lmao if that's the end play
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 13, 2019, 11:42:15 PM
oops
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2019, 11:42:24 PM
it's the right play with no timeouts you dummy, they'll only be down two with the best shooter ever
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2019, 11:43:07 PM
oh you lose the ball? when was that changed?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: agrajag on June 13, 2019, 11:43:38 PM
haha
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: TVC15 on June 13, 2019, 11:43:44 PM
Fuck, no parade day off for me :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2019, 11:44:44 PM
WE THE NORTH!!!!! ALWAYS LOVED CANADA!!!!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 13, 2019, 11:45:13 PM
This is worse than the time they burned down the White House.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2019, 11:45:14 PM
just noticed my avatar colors are the Raptors ones, more proof of my LIFELONG FANDOM
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: TEEEPO on June 13, 2019, 11:45:20 PM
https://youtu.be/-QPB9NBUG2g
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: curly on June 13, 2019, 11:45:32 PM
this has not been basketball at its highest level
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2019, 11:45:44 PM
they should let you go "nah, we okay with just winning"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 13, 2019, 11:46:11 PM
Did raptors win?  The street people are cheering and someone is dancing in the apartment above. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 13, 2019, 11:47:01 PM
Great game. Great drama. Hell of an effort from the Warriors. I never rooted for them but it was kinda hard not to with all those injuries. But it is what it is. Cavs had stuff when Kyrie and Love went down.

Great series. Congrats to the raps.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 13, 2019, 11:47:01 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on June 13, 2019, 11:46:11 PM
Did raptors win?  The street people are cheering and someone is dancing in the apartment above. 

Let's see if GS can come back with 0.0 seconds left.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2019, 11:47:08 PM
this is the dumbest end of game replay review in NBA history
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: team filler on June 13, 2019, 11:47:24 PM
draymond  ::) more like gaymond

tornover machine clown  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2019, 11:47:31 PM
THEY PUT TIME BACK ON THE CLOCK
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2019, 11:48:33 PM
"Hall of Fame lock KD would have hit a five pointer at the buzzer" - Dubsfan35
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2019, 11:49:51 PM
NBA CHAMPION JEREMY LIN
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 13, 2019, 11:51:10 PM
Everyone is honking their horns, even street cars
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: Akala on June 13, 2019, 11:51:18 PM
Bad luck for dubs but ended up an exciting finals. Grats  to raps, wonder if Kawhi stays.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2019, 11:51:22 PM
when do they play the Bucks versus Sixers third place series?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2019, 11:53:05 PM
dat Raptors defense ratcheting down with each game was great :whoo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2019, 11:55:13 PM
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NBA commissioner Adam Silver, speaking Thursday to ESPN's Rachel Nichols, praised the league's reformed draft lottery system while saying he hopes that it changes the "destructive" mindset some teams and fans have about tanking.

"Where I think it's the greatest success is, hopefully it'll stop fans in those markets from rooting for their teams to perform poorly," Silver said prior to Game 6 of the NBA Finals at Oracle Arena.
:popular
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Playoff Time)
Post by: agrajag on June 13, 2019, 11:56:34 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on June 13, 2019, 11:47:01 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on June 13, 2019, 11:46:11 PM
Did raptors win?  The street people are cheering and someone is dancing in the apartment above. 

Let's see if GS can come back with 0.0 seconds left.

they added 0.9 to the shotclock MORON
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2019, 11:57:18 PM
the "bold trade" lol, they traded DeMar Derozan

and they also got Danny Green!

also no love for the Gasol deal, go away ESPN, stop hatin on MY TEAM :wag
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2019, 11:59:24 PM
now we can ban Drake from the league for life :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: agrajag on June 14, 2019, 12:00:41 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 13, 2019, 11:57:18 PM
the "bold trade" lol, they traded DeMar Derozan

and they also got Danny Green!

also no love for the Gasol deal, go away ESPN, stop hatin on MY TEAM :wag

he said it was a bold trade because Kahwi is an unrestricted free agent

 :ufup

fake edit: this guy sounds like kermit the frog
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 14, 2019, 12:03:17 AM
a year of Kawhi is better than any seasons of DeMar Derozan

 :ufup
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: agrajag on June 14, 2019, 12:04:24 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 14, 2019, 12:03:17 AM
a year of Kawhi is better than any seasons of DeMar Derozan

 :ufup

Umm, excuse you, DeMar Derozan says he is to thank for everything

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/06/05/demar-derozan-takes-credit-for-raptors-rise-i-had-to-be-the-sacrificial-lamb/23742466/

 :ufup
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 14, 2019, 12:05:46 AM
it's true if he wasn't overpaid so much they wouldn't have gotten Danny Green!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 14, 2019, 12:06:37 AM
even Lowry doesn't give a shit about DeMar :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: agrajag on June 14, 2019, 12:07:00 AM
they should have given the MVP trophy to Derozan for his brave sacrifice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 14, 2019, 12:07:23 AM
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The Washington Wizards are preparing to offer Toronto Raptors president of basketball operations Masai Ujiri a deal that could approach $10 million annually and deliver him the opportunity for ownership equity, league sources tell ESPN.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 14, 2019, 12:07:51 AM
BEST BROTHERS IN NBA HISTORY
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: team filler on June 14, 2019, 12:07:52 AM
fuck shosta!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: agrajag on June 14, 2019, 12:08:50 AM
yeah fuck that bitch!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 14, 2019, 12:09:07 AM
doris burke is being a real bring down, what's next "yeah you won, but what about all the people living under Donald Trump?!?"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 14, 2019, 12:10:16 AM
i like how Doris Burke didn't mention RUDY GAY also a GRIZZLY AND RAPTOR who helped lead to this!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 14, 2019, 12:11:16 AM
Quote from: agrajag on June 13, 2019, 11:56:34 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on June 13, 2019, 11:47:01 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on June 13, 2019, 11:46:11 PM
Did raptors win?  The street people are cheering and someone is dancing in the apartment above. 

Let's see if GS can come back with 0.0 seconds left.

they added 0.9 to the shotclock MORON

I can't believe Kevin Durant pulled it off!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 14, 2019, 12:11:59 AM
THIS ONE WAS ALSO FOR ANDREA BARGNANI
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 14, 2019, 12:13:22 AM
another victory for Canadian health care!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: curly on June 14, 2019, 12:13:48 AM
https://twitter.com/CBSSports/status/1139380490203353089
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 14, 2019, 12:20:03 AM
Nice picture, he’s almost in it
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 14, 2019, 12:22:56 AM
I watched this game live: https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199603240TOR.html

Now here we are, 23 years later and my boys did it again, so PROUD, WE THE NORTH!

spoiler (click to show/hide)
lol Oliver Miller
[close]
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 14, 2019, 12:25:23 AM
I'm sure Danny Green is happy. He was almost the JR smith of tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: team filler on June 14, 2019, 12:27:18 AM
https://www.facebook.com/SlideDaStreets/videos/2496009740443452/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 14, 2019, 12:30:08 AM
Canada is going to embarass themselves so hard over this, people forget how insane they went over that 2011 Stanley Cup Finals loss. A country full of UPers are dangerous and strange people.

AND I AM PROUD TO BE A LIFELONG FAN LIKE THEM, IN A PLACE WHERE MANY OF THEM TRY TO HIDE IN PLAIN SIGHT, WE THE NORTH
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: team filler on June 14, 2019, 12:31:06 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/30bl5kl.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 14, 2019, 12:32:53 AM
Justin Trudeau should just run on having won an NBA championship

always forget how small the population is, had to check when the Raptors owner said this was for all the "36 million" :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: team filler on June 14, 2019, 12:34:36 AM
https://twitter.com/ThompsonScribe/status/1139385841166327810
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 14, 2019, 12:47:19 AM
as much as I'd like this Warriors run to be completely over if even just for a year I hope Klay will be fine by next season at the worst, Boogie's an interesting FA that nobody's really been talking about too... no Durant iso ball makes the Warriors more fun anyway

I want the Sixers to keep everybody and we run these three teams (plus Raptors and Bucks) back again at top of the East...plus Oladipo will be back! I like that four.

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The Golden State Warriors came up short in the NBA Finals and saw superstar Kevin Durant suffer a serious injury, leaving a question mark on what's next for the Warriors' dynasty.

Yet, for now, the Warriors -- not the champion Toronto Raptors -- are the favorites to win next year's title.

Golden State, at +280, sits atop the odds to win the 2019-2020 NBA title at Caesars Sportsbook. The Los Angeles Lakers are next at +500, followed by the Milwaukee Bucks (+600) and LA Clippers (+600).

The Raptors, who topped the Warriors on Thursday in Game 6 to win the championship, are +1,000 to win next year's title.
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2020 NBA Title Odds
TEAM   OPENING ODDS
Warriors   +280
Lakers   +500
Bucks   +600
Clippers   +600
Raptors   +1,000
Rockets   +1,000
76ers   +1,200
Celtics   +1,200
Knicks   +1,200
no Nuggets :pacspit
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 14, 2019, 12:54:30 AM
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Jonas Valanciunas, the No. 5 pick in 2011, became the centerpiece of the Marc Gasol deal -- Toronto's version of the 2004 Detroit Pistons' (perhaps the Raptors' closest analog as a convention-busting champion) Rasheed Wallace acquisition.

(Lowry in this analogy is Chauncey Billups -- the late-blooming star point guard. The Pistons even moved on from an accomplished coach in Rick Carlisle the year before their title run, and hired Larry Brown -- just as Toronto fired Casey and replaced him with Nick Nurse.)
:salute
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: team filler on June 14, 2019, 01:00:16 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 14, 2019, 12:47:19 AM
as much as I'd like this Warriors run to be completely over if even just for a year I hope Klay will be fine by next season at the worst, Boogie's an interesting FA that nobody's really been talking about too... no Durant iso ball makes the Warriors more fun anyway

I want the Sixers to keep everybody and we run these three teams (plus Raptors and Bucks) back again at top of the East...plus Oladipo will be back! I like that four.

Quote
The Golden State Warriors came up short in the NBA Finals and saw superstar Kevin Durant suffer a serious injury, leaving a question mark on what's next for the Warriors' dynasty.

Yet, for now, the Warriors -- not the champion Toronto Raptors -- are the favorites to win next year's title.

Golden State, at +280, sits atop the odds to win the 2019-2020 NBA title at Caesars Sportsbook. The Los Angeles Lakers are next at +500, followed by the Milwaukee Bucks (+600) and LA Clippers (+600).

The Raptors, who topped the Warriors on Thursday in Game 6 to win the championship, are +1,000 to win next year's title.
Quote
2020 NBA Title Odds
TEAM   OPENING ODDS
Warriors   +280
Lakers   +500
Bucks   +600
Clippers   +600
Raptors   +1,000
Rockets   +1,000
76ers   +1,200
Celtics   +1,200
Knicks   +1,200
no Nuggets :pacspit
no supersonics either :thinking
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: eleuin on June 14, 2019, 01:09:07 AM
 :heh :heh :heh :heh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: El Babua on June 14, 2019, 01:10:28 AM
Would have loved to see game 7!

Congrats Raptors fans!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: agrajag on June 14, 2019, 01:32:51 AM
congrats to lifelong Toronto Raptors fan Benji-sales
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: team filler on June 14, 2019, 01:57:09 AM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1139404947940765698
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 14, 2019, 03:02:42 AM
Twitter's sports reporter blue checkmark medical experts seem to be confused between not knowing until after surgery and that it's a "good" kind of tear so he should be back not far into next season, hope it's that and he's not out for the year like Durant

hope Boogie comes back now and they do some Boogie-Curry fun for a few months, we will have never really seen a combo like that considering Boogie's ball handling and three point ability, not to mention it being a guard like Curry is
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: team filler on June 14, 2019, 03:03:58 AM
curry/boogie buddy comedy>>>>>>>>>>>>>championships
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 14, 2019, 03:05:28 AM
they should trade Durant's contract for Anthony Davis too :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: team filler on June 14, 2019, 03:10:29 AM
trade for bron :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 14, 2019, 05:37:05 AM
Woke up to news of Klay's acl injury.  :kobeyuck

What a crazy year for both Klay and Durant to be free-agents and both with significant injuries. I can't remember something like this for such high profile players.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: BisMarckie on June 14, 2019, 08:51:07 AM
Quote from: Stro on June 14, 2019, 07:56:52 AM
Sounds like the Warriors literally just fell apart :stahp


Canadians showing they're the same trash as Americans :lol

I'll never get American sports fans. They sit on their asses the whole game and barely make any noise. They have this embarassing stuff like cheerleading or other dance acts and teams blast music the whole game to get the crowd going.

But once their team won they think. "Hey! Let's loot this 7/11!"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: Akala on June 14, 2019, 12:47:14 PM
Maybe in like Indiana  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: El Babua on June 14, 2019, 01:01:26 PM
Feel bad for Klay and KD.

Even if the Warriors managed to pull through game 6, they would have gotten massacred in 7.

I dont see any other team in the East Kawhi should consider other than Toronto. His West options are a little more interesting .
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: team filler on June 15, 2019, 11:37:05 AM
benj got doxxxed

https://twitter.com/m_layton/status/1139714923087486976
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: team filler on June 15, 2019, 07:56:41 PM
https://twitter.com/MagicJohnson/status/1140042973435985920


https://twitter.com/RavineFiends/status/1140024528426299392
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 15, 2019, 08:33:56 PM
Fuck yeah!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 15, 2019, 08:55:13 PM
I hate use the cliche but I think this is a good trade for both teams. The Lakers get a top three level talent to pair with Lebron. Davis is still only 26 so that's perfect for him to take the load as Lebron declines. Two of those level quality players should help attract good vets who are ring chasing for cheap.

For the Pelicans, they get to reset everything around Zion. Ingram was at times frustrating to watch, but he has a ton of talent. All ball needs to do is work on his shot and he can be a very good player. He already is a really good playermaker and defensive player. People sag off of him because the shot though. I think Hart is a good role player.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 15, 2019, 09:33:06 PM
I feel oddly...good for both teams?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: Akala on June 16, 2019, 01:30:30 PM
Aside from his shot I like Zos game. I still want to trade him on on draft night.  :lol

The main issue is his dad without Bron being there to shut him down. He’s gonna Fucking flourish in NOLA. We have a history of history when it comes to colorful charlatans.  ::)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: team filler on June 16, 2019, 03:16:01 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/rBC23Mp.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: team filler on June 16, 2019, 05:35:18 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/NXo3Q0y.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: TEEEPO on June 17, 2019, 08:21:10 PM
nbastreams has been banned
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: team filler on June 17, 2019, 08:27:55 PM
 :fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2019, 09:33:04 AM
starting a change.org petition to protest the tampering by LeBron and the Lakers
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2019, 01:15:37 PM
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All-Star center Al Horford of the Boston Celtics will decline to exercise his $30.1 million option for the 2019-20 season and become an unrestricted free agent, league sources tell ESPN.
Quote
Adrian Wojnarowski reports that Kawhi Leonard's offseason intentions lean more toward signing with the Clippers than the Lakers.
Quote
Feisty veteran guard Patrick Beverley is planning to grant the Dallas Mavericks a recruiting meeting at the June 30 opening of NBA free agency
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LaVar Ball was condemned by ESPN for the comment he made to First Take host Molly Qerim Rose on the show on Monday. In a statement issued to USA TODAY and other outlets, a spokesperson for the network said: “LaVar Ball’s comment to Molly Qerim Rose was completely inappropriate and we made him aware of that.” Ball was making an appearance on the show when Qerim Rose said she wanted to “switch gears” and move on to another topic — to which Ball responded: “You can switch gears with me anytime.”
alright lets get nuts
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2019, 06:56:18 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 14, 2019, 12:07:23 AM
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The Washington Wizards are preparing to offer Toronto Raptors president of basketball operations Masai Ujiri a deal that could approach $10 million annually and deliver him the opportunity for ownership equity, league sources tell ESPN.
https://twitter.com/Rachel__Nichols/status/1141107803970363392

 :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 19, 2019, 10:01:09 AM
Quote from: TEEEPO on June 17, 2019, 08:21:10 PM
nbastreams has been banned

 :goty2

Good to see they have a policy on this but not on racism on the platform.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2019, 02:36:33 PM
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The Memphis Grizzlies have traded guard Mike Conley to the Utah Jazz for Grayson Allen, Kyle Korver and Jae Crowder, the 23rd pick in Thursday's draft and a future first-round pick, league sources told ESPN.

The Jazz will send a protected 2020 first-round pick to the Grizzlies, league sources told ESPN. That pick will convey as a late lottery pick in 2020 or 2021, or become a lightly protected pick from 2022 to '24.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: Akala on June 19, 2019, 03:12:51 PM
Why is everyone saying Beal to Pels today?

I mean I’d take it. 4th pick seems a bit unsettled today too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2019, 07:11:29 AM
another blockbuster
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The Milwaukee Bucks are trading guard Tony Snell and the 30th pick in Thursday's NBA draft to the Detroit Pistons for forward Jon Leuer, league sources told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2019, 08:56:29 AM
https://twitter.com/stephenasmith/status/1141680401855000577
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2019, 09:02:52 AM
Quote
Kevin Durant is reportedly down to deciding between the Brooklyn Nets, New York Knicks and Golden State Warriors in free agency.
Quote
Sources close to both the Brooklyn Nets and Kyrie Irving believe they’re “close” to a done deal – if it’s not already done.

the Horford rumors seem to have him going to Dallas if Kawhi stays in Toronto, or joining him on Clippers

the Heat paid almost $2 million for one of the Hawks second rounders (#44) :whoo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: agrajag on June 20, 2019, 09:55:58 AM
wow and Heat is trying to trade for J.R.? The Heat stay losing  :stahp
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2019, 01:20:33 PM
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In the immediate aftermath of the Los Angeles Lakers’ trade for Anthony Davis this past weekend, just about everyone assumed that the deal would be structured in such a manner that they could add a third max-salaried superstar in free agency.

Except, when it comes to these Lakers, assumptions are extremely dangerous.

According to ESPN’s Ramona Shelburne, the Lakers did not realize an accounting error that left them without max cap space until after they agreed to their trade with the New Orleans Pelicans, and then called back in an attempt to rectify the mistake.

As it stands now, the Pelicans have not relented. And why would they when doing so would hinder their own ability to build a competitive roster over the next month?

You see, the Lakers could have created $32.5 million in cap space — enough to sign a player with 7-9 years of NBA service to a max deal (i.e., Kemba Walker, Kyrie Irving, Kawhi Leonard, Jimmy Butler, Klay Thompson, etc.) — if they negotiated July 30 as the trade completion date. That way, they could draft the No. 4 pick for New Orleans, sign him to a first-year salary of $8.2 million, wait the requisite 30 days to trade him, and then use his contract to match salaries in an even swap for Davis.

Waiting until July 30 complicates matters for the Pelicans, who would have less cap space of their own with which to pursue free agents. It also impacts their ability to add the No. 4 pick to their summer league roster or shop the pick to a third team.

Instead, the deal is scheduled to be completed when the moratorium is lifted on July 6, reportedly at the Lakers’ behest. In that scenario, they will absorb Davis’ contract into cap space and be left with $23.7 million to pursue free agents — less than the maximum salary for players of any experience (i.e., D’Angelo Russell).

What’s worse: The Lakers could have still created $27.8 million in cap space — enough to pursue a max-level player with up to six years of experience — if they insisted Davis decline a trade kicker that will increase his salary by $4.1 million. Except, according to Bleacher Report’s Howard Beck, they never bothered to ask.
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The Lakers are now scrambling to create more cap space between now and the start of free agency. According to ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski, they are shopping the only players left on their roster not named LeBron or Kyle Kuzma — Mo Wagner, Isaac Bonga and Jemerrio Jones — in an effort to shed more salary. Wagner was their first-round pick last year and showed some promise as a rookie.
:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: team filler on June 20, 2019, 03:10:08 PM
 :shaq2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 20, 2019, 04:00:03 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 20, 2019, 01:20:33 PM
Quote
The Lakers are now scrambling to create more cap space between now and the start of free agency. According to ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski, they are shopping the only players left on their roster not named LeBron or Kyle Kuzma — Mo Wagner, Isaac Bonga and Jemerrio Jones — in an effort to shed more salary. Wagner was their first-round pick last year and showed some promise as a rookie.
:dead

I hope no teams are going to fall for these obviously made up names.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: Akala on June 20, 2019, 05:58:49 PM
Nah
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: team filler on June 20, 2019, 06:03:12 PM
lebron writing the contracts now  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2019, 05:14:51 AM
apparently the Cavaliers are going to just give J.R. Smith his salary to go away
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 21, 2019, 10:54:45 AM
... and take the pipe with him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: team filler on June 21, 2019, 11:40:59 PM
https://www.facebook.com/MexicanAdamSchefterOfficial/videos/327519361495374/

happy pride month  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Canada>US Raps win Title)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 25, 2019, 12:49:52 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcInNvTuDw4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1W7TSzuUv4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMLwfNYLAiU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-SvUAzfH_I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7HgjKK4egk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p12Qc4tq9GQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EAMS7eNeQw
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: team filler on June 26, 2019, 03:07:01 AM
https://twitter.com/KwaniALunis/status/1143683506008203264

 :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: team filler on June 26, 2019, 03:16:20 AM
https://twitter.com/doesnt_o/status/1143756681706389505

 :salute
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 26, 2019, 11:51:16 AM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27054891/rockets-eyeing-sign-trade-butler


https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1143906064779362306
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 26, 2019, 12:34:30 PM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27059802/sources-nba-talks-fewer-games-season-event

Cutting the season to like 70 games has made good sense for awhile for a number of reasons. Fuck the records. Nobody cares about records for the NBA in that way.

I've never understood this idea of a mid-season cup that makes any kind of sense though. Everybody mentions soccer but culturally basketball has no tradition for such a thing. I don't understand why anyone would care without adding some cheesy gimmick to it like how baseball did their all star game game with home field advantage in the past.

Also not a fan of that play-in game for the playoffs spots. The college basketball situation is nothing like the pro basketball season situation so trying to gimmick your way into fake heat from it doesn't work to me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: Brehvolution on June 27, 2019, 09:31:48 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 26, 2019, 11:51:16 AM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27054891/rockets-eyeing-sign-trade-butler


https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1143906064779362306
Curious considering he won't play next season anyway. Why not take the money?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 27, 2019, 10:06:29 AM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27066586/sources-celtics-front-runners-sign-kemba
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 27, 2019, 10:09:19 AM
Quote from: Brehvolution on June 27, 2019, 09:31:48 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 26, 2019, 11:51:16 AM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27054891/rockets-eyeing-sign-trade-butler


https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1143906064779362306
Curious considering he won't play next season anyway. Why not take the money?

He will probably take the security of a long term deal. Especially now that he is injured. Teams will be willing to still give him a long term contract even with the injury so might as well take that security.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: Akala on June 27, 2019, 10:31:46 AM
Yep, especially if he holds any sort of grudge with how it went down. I would lol.

I like Kemba to Celtics. Probably not enough to get them over Philly but good fit and they should be competitive. Predicting Kawhi leaves and Butler and Harris stay put, but we'll see. FA looking fun.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2019, 10:49:54 AM
The Rockets going so hard after Butler seems insane. Especially since the Warriors might not be in their way at all this year.

Then you factor in that the testiness between Harden and Paul is simply rooted in that both feel more trusting in themselves having the ball, something that Butler's spent the last three years on three separate teams indicating he wouldn't help in the slightest.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: Akala on June 27, 2019, 10:52:16 AM
They know they aren't built for the playoffs as it stands.  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2019, 10:56:44 AM
The hell lineup is over, everybody's getting big again yet mobile. Seems absurd to dump somebody like Capela plus three other lineup guys (even if you can probably scrounge up slightly cheaper versions in the end) just to get another ball dominant wing.

The team just dumped Melo, MCW, James Ennis, Brandon Knight and Chriss, paying out first rounders to do it, at the deadline last year to get under the luxury tax. This would be dumping the other half of the roster and winding up facing the luxury tax! :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2019, 11:05:39 AM
Quote
Alternatively, they could look to trade DeRozan (perhaps for a reunion with Dwane Casey in Detroit, for the expiring deals of Reggie Jackson and Langston Galloway plus young shooter Luke Kennard and two future first-round picks)
:camby fucccckkk no
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: BisMarckie on June 27, 2019, 11:10:00 AM
Bulls interested in Julius Randle.

That‘s what that team needs, another good but not great scorer who can‘t play defense. :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 27, 2019, 03:53:29 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1144308910553276417

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1144309088827912192
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2019, 04:18:03 PM
Quote
Lakers general manager Rob Pelinka unloaded the contracts of Mo Wagner, Isaac Bonga and Jemerrio Jones to the Washington Wizards to make the Anthony Davis deal with New Orleans a three-team trade, league sources tell ESPN.
there's always money in the banana stand Washington Wizards :rollsafe
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 27, 2019, 04:46:32 PM
For what its worth if you can get Kawhi Leonard then get Kawhi Leonard. I still don't think that is likely but whatever go for it. If you land it you are set.

I'm not sure I think the other free agents are worth it except Klay who is almost certainly going to sign back for the Warriors (and is hurt anyway just like Durant). I would take that money and use it to fill out the rest of the rosters with a few more good players who aren't of that superstar stature.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 27, 2019, 04:56:15 PM
Those three players together don't make sense to me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 27, 2019, 05:06:23 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on June 27, 2019, 04:56:15 PM
Those three players together don't make sense to me.

They don't. An elite point guard would make more sense but I think Kawhi, Lebron, and Davis are so talented they would make it work anyway.

But instead of getting D Angelo or Kyrie and that being the team, I think you can get cheaper parts to fill out the team. But whatever. I'm happy no matter what. This is all win win for me. I had basically already set my mind to Lebron not having a real chance these last few years. The AD thing was a real surprise to me. So anything at this point is extra.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2019, 11:20:28 PM
(https://d13csqd2kn0ewr.cloudfront.net/uploads/image/file/362875/hated_nba_player_map.jpg?ts=1561663014)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: VomKriege on June 28, 2019, 05:46:38 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 26, 2019, 12:34:30 PM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27059802/sources-nba-talks-fewer-games-season-event

I've never understood this idea of a mid-season cup that makes any kind of sense though. Everybody mentions soccer but culturally basketball has no tradition for such a thing. I don't understand why anyone would care without adding some cheesy gimmick to it like how baseball did their all star game game with home field advantage in the past.

Cups are good to have a manageable competition with a much larger set of starting teams and in the traditional football association setup it's also an opportunity for all lower divisions and amateur clubs to compete in the same competition as the elite. It introduces the excitement of head to head win or lose competition that doesn't exist in championships. It can be a boon for small clubs and it serves some purpose in evangelizing the sport for the Federation (there's generally some political shenanigans as Federation and League can be at odds, Leagues have started organising competing cups with only pro clubs and such in recent years). It wouldn't make a lot of sense in the US sport setup and having a season + playoffs competition makes a cup redundant.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2019, 10:46:42 AM
https://twitter.com/MMcCarthyREV/status/1144610936684240898

well now he won't do it, thanks Stephen A :comeon
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2019, 10:57:16 AM
Quote
But DeAndre Jordan, who played nine seasons with the LA Clippers, has an interest in playing in Los Angeles again, sources said. He would potentially be a fit for the Lakers, who are expected to try to find a way to sign Jordan and play him alongside Anthony Davis and LeBron James.
i guess that's one way to go
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2019, 06:20:21 PM
Quote
Kawhi Leonard will speak to the Los Angeles Lakers in the next few days and has made a personal request that only owner Jeanie Buss and Magic Johnson, the team's former president of basketball operations, be involved in the meeting, sources told ESPN's Stephen A. Smith.

Johnson told ESPN's Ramona Shelburne on Friday that he will help the Lakers in free agency in any way he can, but he said NBA rules do not permit him to be part of official team meetings with prospective free agents.

"A friend of mine called and says Kawhi wants to meet with you," Johnson told ESPN. "I said no problem. I'm available if that's what this man wants."
what is even happening
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 28, 2019, 06:51:05 PM
Despite all the barbs thrown at Magic he is the closest thing the Lakers have in that organization to someone who is respected by the players and is a Legend. So in that weird sense it makes sense.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: team filler on June 28, 2019, 07:07:17 PM
trade bron, sign kawhi!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: bluemax on June 29, 2019, 12:21:29 AM
https://twitter.com/JoshEberley/status/1144785454115577856
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 29, 2019, 01:32:22 AM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27078092/collison-retires-nba-31-focus-faith

Kinda crazy. He is walking away from a lot of money.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 29, 2019, 06:55:16 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1145089589599752192
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: benjipwns on June 29, 2019, 07:41:32 PM
Mirotic is heading back to Europe

Former MVP Derrick Rose is going to the Pistons

apparently KD and Kawhi are going to meet/talk before deciding

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1145093171870883840
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 30, 2019, 02:35:50 AM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1145178732023484417
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2019, 02:47:30 AM
MULTIPLE SOURCES!

https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard/status/1145118290206846976

https://twitter.com/FoxSportsRadio/status/1143324427683323905
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: team filler on June 30, 2019, 02:51:28 AM
 :fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 30, 2019, 04:55:29 AM
https://twitter.com/DidTheSixersWin/status/1145093518127443968

Take that one with a grain of salt as its not anybody with something on the line but still
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 30, 2019, 04:27:41 PM
Quote
The Portland Trail Blazers and Damian Lillard have agreed to a four-year, $196 million super maximum contract extension, sources confirmed to ESPN's Brian Windhorst.

The All-NBA guard will have a player option for $54.3 million in the last year of the extension, sources said.

Lillard, 28, has two years and around $61 million left on his current deal. The extension would keep him in Portland through the 2024-25 season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 30, 2019, 04:28:23 PM
$53 million before taxes for a 34 year old...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 30, 2019, 04:46:22 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1145413143470006273
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 30, 2019, 05:01:02 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1145435852476243968
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1145435074655117314

Knicks

 :ufup
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 30, 2019, 05:32:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzHXiMADg78
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 30, 2019, 07:23:11 PM
@ramonashelburne
The Knicks and owner Jim Dolan were not prepared to offer Kevin Durant a full max contract due to concerns over his recovery from the Achilles injury, league sources tell me and
@wojespn

Knicks officials are in Los Angeles tonight, meeting with free agents such as Julius Randle.
https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne/status/1145471388356100096?s=20
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 30, 2019, 10:08:31 PM
easymoneysniper is Kevin Durant.

https://i.imgur.com/w58ZfCS.jpg
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Sunday, June 30 at 6:00 p.m Free Agency Begins)
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 30, 2019, 10:14:08 PM
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/fe4d5ba31a04ef87422b6537377f89a2/tenor.gif?itemid=12313683)

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1145476068498989063
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to Brooklyn. Knicks keep James Dolan)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 30, 2019, 11:26:59 PM
Sixers lose jimmy and reddick, resign tobias and bring in horford. That lineups gonna be awful and will also easily make it to the conference finals
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to Brooklyn. Knicks keep James Dolan)
Post by: agrajag on June 30, 2019, 11:53:31 PM
https://twitter.com/TheSurrealAndre/status/1145445779903004673
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to Brooklyn. Knicks keep James Dolan)
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 01, 2019, 12:41:41 AM
Honestly, fuck the Knicks. They don’t deserve to ever be good. The owner sucks, the fan base sucks, their history sucks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to Brooklyn. Knicks keep James Dolan)
Post by: BisMarckie on July 01, 2019, 08:18:55 AM
(http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/uploads/monthly_2019_06/2a35e25.jpg.77f7931409213c981d938308a5e47e80.jpg)

:smug












:fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to Brooklyn. Knicks keep James Dolan)
Post by: Akala on July 01, 2019, 08:38:26 AM
lol Knicks but should be ok for Brooklyn in a yearish.

Pels now look kind of weird on paper, but guess we will see.

I don't really like the Russell/Iggy three way trade. :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to Brooklyn. Knicks keep James Dolan)
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 01, 2019, 12:20:25 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 30, 2019, 07:23:11 PM
@ramonashelburne
The Knicks and owner Jim Dolan were not prepared to offer Kevin Durant a full max contract due to concerns over his recovery from the Achilles injury, league sources tell me and
@wojespn

Knicks officials are in Los Angeles tonight, meeting with free agents such as Julius Randle.
https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne/status/1145471388356100096?s=20

Sources are reporting that I'm not interested in a relationship with Kate Upton at this time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to Brooklyn. Knicks keep James Dolan)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2019, 05:12:10 PM
Pretty fascinating off-season. A lot of good talent seems to be spread around now.

Not sure what to make of some of the stuff.

The 76ers are still very talented but they have a really big lineup which is the opposite of the direction a lot of the NBA is moving. Will be interesting to watch. Don't really understand why Jimmy Butler would want to head to Miami over them.

The Russell to Warriors move is also equal parts fascinating perplexing. I mean he is a very good young player. But I'm surprised another guard is the direction they went instead of a wing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to Brooklyn. Knicks keep James Dolan)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2019, 06:18:54 PM
Warriors will unofficially retire #35.

Everything turning into massive multi-team sign-and-trade deals is great.
Quote
The Miami Heat completed a four-team trade that allows them to sign All-Star guard Jimmy Butler to a four-year, $142 million contract, league sources told ESPN on Monday.

The Heat are sending center Hassan Whiteside to the Portland Trail Blazers, guard Josh Richardson to the Philadelphia 76ers and a protected 2023 first-round pick to the Los Angeles Clippers to secure the salary cap flexibility to complete the sign-and-trade deal with the 76ers, league sources tell ESPN.

The Blazers acquired Whiteside for forwards Meyers Leonard and Maurice Harkless in the trade, sources said. Harkless and his $11 million expiring contract are headed to the Clippers in the deal, which is the reason the Clippers were able to extract the protected 2023 first-round pick.

...

The Dallas Mavericks had interest in acquiring Heat guard Goran Dragic in a previous, three-team construction of the Butler sign-and-trade, however, they "changed course" Dragic's agent, Bill Duffy, told ESPN.

"In analyzing it, his salary was too high based on other things they're trying to do," Duffy told ESPN.

Apparently the Lakers have lost like 80% of the role players they were targeting while holding their space open for Kawhi. :american
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to Brooklyn. Knicks keep James Dolan)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2019, 06:22:04 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2019, 05:12:10 PM
The 76ers are still very talented but they have a really big lineup which is the opposite of the direction a lot of the NBA is moving.
It's a big lineup, but it's actually more flexible, switchy and more in line with the pass-3P-happy direction of the NBA than the Sixers were. Horford and Josh Richardson can play more spots, and fit more schemes, than Redick and Butler did.

Now when Embiid sits they can "go small" by playing a guy who has played center for most of his career along with two other 6-10 guys lol.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to Brooklyn. Knicks keep James Dolan)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2019, 06:26:53 PM
 :nope

https://twitter.com/Greentoad124/status/1145801621982601218

 :ohyeah
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to Brooklyn. Knicks keep James Dolan)
Post by: agrajag on July 01, 2019, 07:19:47 PM
https://twitter.com/RDAmbition_/status/1145831903137632257
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to Brooklyn. Knicks keep James Dolan)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2019, 07:37:41 PM
Quote from: Kevin Pelton
This New York offseason reminds me of Sacramento's moves in the summer of 2017, when Knicks GM Scott Perry was briefly part of the Kings' front office before getting promoted to his current job. Like New York, Sacramento spent lavishly on veterans to put around a noncompetitive young core. George Hill got the three-year deal ($57 million with just $40 million guaranteed) while Zach Randolph got a two-year, $24 million deal and Vince Carter a one-year contract worth $8 million.

https://twitter.com/DannyLeroux/status/1145761824433790994
Quote
In the past, Kanter has been unable to travel to Toronto because of security and visa concerns related to his outspoken criticism of Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, whom Kanter has compared to a dictator.
we the north :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to Brooklyn. Knicks keep James Dolan)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2019, 07:39:59 PM
https://twitter.com/tomhaberstroh/status/1145803646225043456

that deal is even better then lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to Brooklyn. Knicks keep James Dolan)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2019, 07:40:38 PM
Quote from: BisMarckie on July 01, 2019, 08:18:55 AM
(http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/uploads/monthly_2019_06/2a35e25.jpg.77f7931409213c981d938308a5e47e80.jpg)

:smug
https://twitter.com/NBCSBulls/status/1145488163592462336
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to Brooklyn. Knicks keep James Dolan)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 01, 2019, 07:54:00 PM
Leonard to the lakers..,and it seems like Iguodola will secure a buyout to go to the lakers as well
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to Brooklyn. Knicks keep James Dolan)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2019, 08:04:56 PM
will wait for Woj before thinking anything is official rather than "Lakers Insider From Reddit" with nine total tweets :hmph

https://twitter.com/RDAmbition_/status/1145204140995313667
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to Brooklyn. Knicks keep James Dolan)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2019, 08:09:50 PM
this is why Trump needs to be putting Laker fans in camps
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to Brooklyn. Knicks keep James Dolan)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 01, 2019, 08:33:37 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 01, 2019, 08:04:56 PM
will wait for Woj before thinking anything is official rather than "Lakers Insider From Reddit" with nine total tweets :hmph

While I agree with you especially once he actually tweets something since he's basically the official source of espn/nba at this point, among one of the many reasons I hope Kawhi goes to Lakers is to fuck up his prediction and podcasts tweets. Woj has been basically carrying water for the Clippers for months now because he has so many inside sources there. He basically just takes whatever they tell him on opinions and puts it down as fact when he's talking on TV or podcasts. He is a shameless shill in that regard with a long history of it.  He's always been super anti-Lebron with his "reporting".
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to Brooklyn. Knicks keep James Dolan)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 01, 2019, 09:26:10 PM
Lol that’s hysterical
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to Brooklyn. Knicks keep James Dolan)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2019, 09:32:33 PM
https://twitter.com/Irv_Do/status/1145832583193747457

(https://i.imgur.com/oLSwZcl.png)

 :thinking
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to Brooklyn. Knicks keep James Dolan)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2019, 10:00:31 PM
Sixers adding Kyle O'Quinn for the minimum, not sure what this means for Boban

but SVG said this:
Quote
Stan Van Gundy has been in Belgrade, Serbia in order to attend the coaches clinic there. In his interview with Sportklub, Gundy shared some high praise for his former player Boban Marjanovic who played under him in Detroit (2016-18):

“Boban is the most unstoppable offensive player in the NBA right now. There’s nothing anybody can do against him. He’s either gonna get a good shot or you’re gonna foul him. That’s it. People get, I think, distracted almost by how big he is. And he is big but it causes them to overlook what a high skill level he has. He is a great, great passer. Boban can shoot 15 to 17 feet, he’s an outstanding free throw shooter”, he said.

Gundy could also see first-hand Marjanovic’s working habits and desire: “Beyond all of that, he is one of the hardest workers I’ve been around. There were days in Detroit when we had to tell him to go home. We would practice for two and a half hours, then he would lift weights and you’d look out there an hour later and he would still be in the gym. ‘Your body needs some rest, go home!’ It’s hard to get him out of the gym.”

Last but not least, the coach noted how good of a person the big man is: “He is a totally unselfish team player. If he’s not playing, even if he thinks he should be, he’s a hundred percent behind his teammates all the time. You can’t be around a better person. Watch him interact with everybody: his teammates, coaches, the training staff, people in the office, fans, little kids. Everyone loves Boban and Boban loves everyone.”
:rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to Brooklyn. Knicks keep James Dolan)
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2019, 10:48:17 PM
Quote
Horford's new contract includes $97 million in guaranteed money, and $12 million in bonuses tied to championships.
not sure I've ever seen bonuses that large related purely to titles

Quote
Free-agent point guard Isaiah Thomas has agreed to a one-year deal with the Washington Wizards, league sources told ESPN on Monday.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to Brooklyn. Knicks keep James Dolan)
Post by: bluemax on July 02, 2019, 12:24:51 AM
There's no way the Lakers clown show front office can fuck up their way into 3 top 10 players in the league, is there?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to Brooklyn. Knicks keep James Dolan)
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 02, 2019, 08:11:39 AM
What do you make of that Jimmy Butler thing (turning down a 5 year max from Philly)? He must've hated playing with Simmons and knew he couldn't rely on Embiid to stay healthy.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to Brooklyn. Knicks keep James Dolan)
Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2019, 11:31:56 AM
Wizards applied for a disabled player exception on John Wall
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Durant to Brooklyn. Knicks keep James Dolan)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 02, 2019, 01:49:27 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on July 02, 2019, 08:11:39 AM
What do you make of that Jimmy Butler thing (turning down a 5 year max from Philly)? He must've hated playing with Simmons and knew he couldn't rely on Embiid to stay healthy.

He seems to be searching for something he will never find. I mean if he is happy in Miami then cool, but he has basically walked out of two situations now to be in a mediocre situation.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Kawhi)
Post by: Tripon on July 02, 2019, 11:32:50 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 01, 2019, 09:32:33 PM
https://twitter.com/Irv_Do/status/1145832583193747457

(https://i.imgur.com/oLSwZcl.png)

 :thinking

https://twitter.com/PeytonBM18/status/1145865704622764033  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Kawhi)
Post by: Kara on July 02, 2019, 11:54:14 PM
 :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Kawhi)
Post by: benjipwns on July 03, 2019, 03:02:31 PM
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Free-agent center Boban Marjanovic has agreed to a two-year, $7 million deal with the Dallas Mavericks, league sources told ESPN on Wednesday, confirming multiple reports.
UNLEASH THE BOBAN
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Kawhi)
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 03, 2019, 03:25:11 PM
Mavericks have more large European men than Europe now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Kawhi)
Post by: benjipwns on July 03, 2019, 08:27:46 PM
Grizz did some more interesting trading today:
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The Memphis Grizzlies are trading Kyle Korver and Jevon Carter to the Phoenix Suns for De'Anthony Melton, Josh Jackson, a 2020 second-round pick and a 2021 conditional second-round pick, league sources tell ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski. The Suns are planning a buyout of Korver's contract, league sources said.

The Memphis Grizzlies have agreed to trade Chandler Parsons to the Atlanta Hawks for Solomon Hill and Miles Plumlee, league sources told ESPN.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Kawhi)
Post by: benjipwns on July 03, 2019, 09:18:05 PM
https://twitter.com/KarlTowns/status/1146546439008292865

when NBA superstars are too young to remember The Decision :fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Kawhi)
Post by: agrajag on July 03, 2019, 09:27:46 PM
what about when DeAndre Jordan was kidnapped by the Clippers front office?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Kawhi)
Post by: agrajag on July 03, 2019, 09:31:17 PM
See ya Whiteside, you sucker

 :camby
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Kawhi)
Post by: benjipwns on July 03, 2019, 09:33:08 PM
today as soon as LeBron and Jim Gray sat down, Woj would have tweeted out "sources tell ESPN that LeBron will take his talents to South Beach"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Kawhi)
Post by: benjipwns on July 04, 2019, 12:05:25 AM
Quote
New Orleans Pelicans agreed to a reported two-year, $14.25 million deal with forward Darius Miller
lol stop it
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Kawhi)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 04, 2019, 08:50:46 AM
Quote from: Dantizzinel on July 03, 2019, 07:41:28 PM
Looks like Kawhi might stick with the raptors after all.

This is one of those rare cases where I think nobody actually knows. Kawhi is such an enigma and doesn't seem to have much of an entourage that leaks. I really do think he is taking his time/flexing his power in this case.

None of the national pundits really have any insight into it. Chris Carter seems to be the closest to them in some ways. I've gone from being optimistic to pessimistic but that isn't based on anything. Pessimistic is just my default mode.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Kawhi)
Post by: benjipwns on July 05, 2019, 05:55:05 PM
Quote from: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/05/sports/basketball/knicks-durant-kyrie-dolan.html
Durant was apparently unwilling to go to the Knicks as the lone superstar, and Jay Williams, a friend of his, said in an ESPN podcast that the Knicks’ trade of Kristaps Porzingis this winter had hurt their chances of signing Durant, because he had been intrigued by the idea of playing with the 7-foot-3 Porzingis.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Kawhi)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 05, 2019, 08:20:10 PM
Zion and RJ Barrett play against each other tonight in Summer League if you are into that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Kawhi)
Post by: benjipwns on July 05, 2019, 11:02:36 PM
why do you think they're going "full rebuild mode" with all the additions they made?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Kawhi)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 05, 2019, 11:39:49 PM
I was essentially gonna say the same thing. They paid Brogdon a lot of money and even put forward first round picks toward it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Kawhi)
Post by: Mandark on July 06, 2019, 02:07:32 AM
Kawhi to the Clippers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for Kawhi)
Post by: agrajag on July 06, 2019, 02:08:25 AM
and Paul George

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no one cares about Paul George
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 06, 2019, 02:12:22 AM
Interesting. I wonder what Westbrook will say.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: Beezy on July 06, 2019, 02:15:19 AM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1147386677079564288

Please demand a trade, Westbrook.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 06, 2019, 02:17:18 AM
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The Clippers have also acquired All-Star forward Paul George from the Oklahoma City Thunder for a record-setting collection of draft choices, sources said.

Oklahoma City is getting a massive package of future picks as well as Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and Danilo Gallinari to deliver Leonard the player he wanted to partner with -- George, according to sources.

The Clippers are sending the Thunder four unprotected first-round picks, one protected first-round pick and two pick swaps, league sources tell Wojnarowski.

Now we know what took so long. Honestly a real powerful move for Kawhi because they fucked the Lakers out of a lot of good players they could have picked up instead of Kawhi. I say that not with hate. I respect it. Lakers should have moved on at a certain point.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2019, 02:17:37 AM
Quote
The Clippers have also acquired All-Star forward Paul George from the Oklahoma City Thunder for a record-setting collection of draft choices, sources said.

Oklahoma City is getting a massive package of future picks, including Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and Danilo Galllinari, to deliver Leonard who he wanted to partner with, George, according to sources.
those aren't future picks :wag
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2019, 02:18:40 AM
Lakers can pickup FORMER DPOY DWIGHT HOWARD for cheap after the Grizzlies waive him!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: team filler on July 06, 2019, 02:19:28 AM
 :fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2019, 02:20:45 AM
Quote
The Clippers are sending the Thunder four unprotected first-round picks, one protected first-round pick and two pick swaps
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2019, 02:23:05 AM
lol at the Lakers sending everything for Anthony Davis and then waiting on Kawhi, while Kawhi says to the Clips "yo, want a second star" and suddenly Paul George is coming to town
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: bluemax on July 06, 2019, 02:23:09 AM
https://twitter.com/ArashMarkazi/status/1147389096651739136

Massive haul for OKC and SGA is really good for a kid his age, but damn if the Clippers aren't going for it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2019, 02:24:31 AM
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The soon-to-be Brooklyn Nets forward took umbrage with the ESPN commentator Wednesday when Stephen A. Smith reported details on Durant's departure from the Oklahoma City Thunder.

According to Smith, in the summer of 2016, Durant had dinner with Russell Westbrook and other Thunder teammates and told them he would be returning. Durant then met with Steph Curry, Klay Thompson and the rest of the Warriors' delegation in the Hamptons and decided to bolt OKC for the Bay. Instead of calling Westbrook and telling him of his decision, Smith said the 2014 NBA MVP just sent a simple text.

Durant texted Smith mid-show to tell him that his report was "BS."
lol kd
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2019, 02:28:02 AM
Quote
Clifford says Markelle Fultz is still not ready for 5-on-5.
most elaborate scam in NBA history?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 06, 2019, 02:29:55 AM
Disappointed as a Lebron fan (I'm not a Lakers fan so I don't care about that angle. Once Lebron retires, I'm done with the Lakers) but honestly happy to see the talent so dispersed across the league. I don't know who the favorites are now and going forwards a few years. The league is the most balanced its been in quite awhile which is a good thing as a general fan.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 06, 2019, 02:34:08 AM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1147390491312500736
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2019, 02:35:50 AM
as a LIFELONG Raptors fan, I am sad to see Kawhi and Danny go, but thankful for his selflessly bringing us a title and destroying the Warriors dynasty in the process
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 06, 2019, 02:38:02 AM
I'm guessing being a Raptors fan is probably a really odd feeling at the moment. On the one hand that championship will be giving them good feels for a good number of years. On the other hand, it still must suck to basically lose the guy who got you a championship. I can't even think of a comparable situation.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on July 06, 2019, 02:39:20 AM
lmao fuck glen
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2019, 02:41:02 AM
Cleveland did have to lose Kyrie and LeBron back-to-back after winning their title, I imagine that was pretty rough especially since they probably thought LeBron was back to stay at his age
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 06, 2019, 02:41:45 AM
https://twitter.com/RealSkipBayless/status/1147393560905318401

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2019, 02:44:54 AM
https://twitter.com/patbev21/status/1147384750304194560
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 06, 2019, 02:45:28 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 06, 2019, 02:41:02 AM
Cleveland did have to lose Kyrie and LeBron back-to-back after winning their title, I imagine that was pretty rough especially since they probably thought LeBron was back to stay at his age

True but I think Cleveland was ready for that. They had Lebron for so many years. I can't speak as a person from that part of the country but from the outside looking in, I think everybody was ready to move on to a degree not because there was any hate or anything but because it just seemed time.

In this case they only had Kawhi for a year and they got rid of the guy who actually loved the place in Derozan. Not saying they have regrets about it, but it just feels different to me.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2019, 02:50:45 AM
true, Cleveland did go to the Finals over and over, and they were competitive in 2015 despite everything

I posted the Zach Lowe column before but that Raptors team, especially with the ever adjusting bench mob, and them bringing in Gasol at the deadline, did feel like one of those perfect run clicking teams like the 2004 Pistons or 2011 Mavericks more than a team that would contend for a while like the Spurs 2003-2007 for example, I think they could have ran it back again this season like those Pistons did but after that probably not

when word came out that Kawhi didn't want to do a two year deal thing, but wanted to sign long term that probably ended it for the Raptors
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 06, 2019, 02:59:42 AM
On a serious note think about all the teams especially in the West that are in the mix.

First Tier
Rockets
Lakers
Clippers
Jazz

Second Tier
Nuggets
Trailblazers (maybe....)
Warriors (I mean this doesn't seem likely but they still have Steph, Draymond, and Russell. That isn't a title team most likely but maybe Klay comes back and they still have a lot of pride. Still seems like a "good" team at minimum.

I mean in that first tier I legit don't know who is first? I would guess Clippers or Rockets but the Jazz are really good and the Lakers are intriguing.

Things seem a bit simpler in the East.

First Tier
76ers
Bucks

2nd Tier
Celtics
Nets...(maybe.... probably not this year without Durant)
Pacers... (maybe if Oladipo comes back and is still good at a certain point)

But that West is fucking crazy. Can't wait for next season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: Beezy on July 06, 2019, 03:14:19 AM
Rockets definitely aren't first. Playoffs Harden guarantees that.

OKC might as well get the best offer they can for Westbrook and rebuild. Don't let him waste away there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 06, 2019, 03:22:04 AM
xmas comes early for skip.

https://twitter.com/RealSkipBayless/status/1147402019876962304

https://twitter.com/RealSkipBayless/status/1147399671846883328
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: team filler on July 06, 2019, 03:29:47 AM
https://twitter.com/KylesFeed/status/1147401524152156161
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 06, 2019, 03:35:34 AM
I'm "fine" with Pope. At least at that number. It's not great but hell they paid him 12 million last year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 06, 2019, 09:53:34 AM
Was hoping that the Mavs could pick up Danny Green with Kawhi deciding to leave, but I still think they're going to do good things next year with Doncic and Porzingas.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: Tripon on July 06, 2019, 10:22:37 AM
https://twitter.com/davidfholt/status/1015381983642443777
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 06, 2019, 10:53:23 AM
https://twitter.com/davidfholt/status/1147505652610326529
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: eleuin on July 06, 2019, 11:30:13 AM
clippers are kowai now
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: team filler on July 06, 2019, 02:45:53 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1147575087140417536
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: Tripon on July 06, 2019, 02:48:15 PM
https://twitter.com/taniaganguli/status/1147576046721462272

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/418458548691795968.png?v=1)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 06, 2019, 03:05:53 PM
Was expecting boogie. There is also talk about getting Marcus Morris. They are also bringing back Rondo.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: Akala on July 06, 2019, 03:31:19 PM
NBA is wild. Lakers looking like the super pels now. Too bad Mirotic heading back to yurop.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 06, 2019, 03:33:57 PM
Quote from: Akala on July 06, 2019, 03:31:19 PM
NBA is wild. Lakers looking like the super pels now. Too bad Mirotic heading back to yurop.

lol. true.

It's human nature but I'm talking myself into the roster even if its spare parts and duct tape. I like Danny Green. I thought Boogie was okay with the Warriors last season. I mean he's an injury away from blowing out the season again but I assume he's going to split time with Javale anyway.

I still favor the clippers or potentially the Rockets right at this moment, but I can't wait for the season to start.

Lakers are fucking tall. Not sure I really like that in a league that is dominated by wings and quick guards but it is what it is.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 06, 2019, 03:43:03 PM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27133948/sources-westbrook-talking-next-steps-okc

Who do you think?

Rockets, Heat? etc?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 06, 2019, 03:59:05 PM
Quote
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1147594055716614145

I'm happy the Lakers got him but I feel sad for Boogie. Fucking injuries. It's a no-brainer at that price.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 06, 2019, 04:51:12 PM
Quote from: Stro on July 06, 2019, 03:54:08 PM
If OKC loses Westbrook, they have to be the worst run franchise in the league, right?

Losing or getting rid of: KD, James Harden, Paul George, Victor Oladipo, Domantas Sabonis, and Westbrook over 6 years without a single ring to show for it would be :lol :lol :lol :lol as hell

Trade Westbrook for more picks. In a few years they could have a team composed entirely of young first-rounders.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: curly on July 06, 2019, 05:08:35 PM
Quote from: Stro on July 06, 2019, 03:54:08 PM
If OKC loses Westbrook, they have to be the worst run franchise in the league, right?

Losing or getting rid of: KD, James Harden, Paul George, Victor Oladipo, Domantas Sabonis, and Westbrook over 6 years without a single ring to show for it would be :lol :lol :lol :lol as hell

not even close
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: El Babua on July 06, 2019, 05:16:16 PM
So there's a possibility that the Heat may go after Westbrook.

If we do get him, it'll either be a team of mad-ass dudes with a chip on their shoulder tearing through the league, or an absolute implosion. Perhaps both, in that order.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 06, 2019, 05:46:18 PM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1147618339377876993
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: agrajag on July 06, 2019, 06:03:30 PM
Quote from: El Babua on July 06, 2019, 05:16:16 PM
So there's a possibility that the Heat may go after Westbrook.

If we do get him, it'll either be a team of mad-ass dudes with a chip on their shoulder tearing through the league, or an absolute implosion. Perhaps both, in that order.

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The Sun Sentinel’s Ira Winderman suggested that the Heat could offer Justise Winslow, Bam Adebayo, Tyler Herro, Goran Dragic, and a couple of first-round picks in exchange for the mega superstar.

so they're gonna trade the entire team for Westbrook? Who's he gonna play with?  :what
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 06, 2019, 06:09:25 PM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27134843/zion-bruised-knee-no-more-summer-league
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: El Babua on July 06, 2019, 06:16:05 PM
Quote from: agrajag on July 06, 2019, 06:03:30 PM
Quote from: El Babua on July 06, 2019, 05:16:16 PM
So there's a possibility that the Heat may go after Westbrook.

If we do get him, it'll either be a team of mad-ass dudes with a chip on their shoulder tearing through the league, or an absolute implosion. Perhaps both, in that order.

Quote
The Sun Sentinel’s Ira Winderman suggested that the Heat could offer Justise Winslow, Bam Adebayo, Tyler Herro, Goran Dragic, and a couple of first-round picks in exchange for the mega superstar.

so they're gonna trade the entire team for Westbrook? Who's he gonna play with?  :what

Yeah, I'd rather hold on till 2021 when we have cap space.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: team filler on July 06, 2019, 06:54:18 PM
I just wanna plan the parade again, brehs  :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 07, 2019, 01:58:02 PM
https://twitter.com/sheridanhoops/status/1147833734240133120
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2019, 12:09:27 AM
Westbrook and Steven Adams for Dragic (expiring), James Johnson and Olynyk (expiring next year) and Justise Winslow just barely works under the cap.

I've read a few times that if OKC looks to blow it up Adams is gone, I think he might help them move Westbrook, like in the above deal, Miami would probably rather take him on along with Westbrook if they have to because otherwise you have to deal out too many players just to cover Westbrook's salary. You actually can get Adams for "cheaper" once you're already paying enough to get Westbrook in terms of the cap rules. Plus he fills a starter spot.

The hard part? The Heat are HARD CAPPED because of the Butler deal. It still seems like the best place to make that kind of deal though.

The Knicks fucked up, they could have put together a decent Westbrook-only bail out offer centered around Smith Jr. and Knox with smart cap space usage, but now they're too far over the cap, they can't trade anyone else until December 15th and can't get to enough salary even if they included RJ Barret.

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trade him to Orlando for Aaron Gordon, Mo Bamba and Markelle Fultz :doge
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2019, 01:10:38 AM
https://twitter.com/KDTrey5/status/1148004054150393862

wow thx
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2019, 12:10:46 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1148238946976976896

https://twitter.com/TheWarriorsTalk/status/1147690666308198405
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 08, 2019, 04:54:10 PM
In comparison to the AD and Paul George trades, it's funny reflecting back on the Kevin Love trade and everyone freaking out about how much the Cavs gave up for him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: bluemax on July 08, 2019, 11:31:34 PM
Lebron is gonna play point guard this season. That should be interesting to say the least.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2019, 07:58:36 PM
Quote
Free agent forward Marcus Morris could abandon a two-year, $20 million agreement with the San Antonio Spurs and accept a one-year deal with the New York Knicks, league sources tell ESPN.

Morris' agreement with the Spurs includes a player option, but the Knicks suddenly have the salary cap space to make him a more substantial first-year offer on a deal, league sources said.

To use the full $9.3 million midlevel exception on Morris, the Spurs traded forward Davis Bertans to the Washington Wizards and reworked an original two-year, $13M agreement with DeMarre Carroll to make it a three-year, $21 million contract.

If Morris backs out of a Spurs deal, there will be some roster carnage left in his wake.

The salary cap space for the Knicks is suddenly available because the team and free agent forward Reggie Bullock are no longer executing a two-year, $21 million deal, and instead are reworking the terms down to a lower financial commitment, league sources said.

Agent David Bauman and the Knicks are re-evaluating Bullock's fitness to play a full season in 2019-20.


...

The Knicks already signed three power forwards in free agency, including Julius Randle, Bobby Portis and Taj Gibson.
NEW YORK KNICKERBOCKERS BASKETBALL
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2019, 08:01:30 PM
Quote
The Clippers have officially signed rookies Mfiondu Kabengele and Terance Mann, the team announced.
those are video game rookie generator names :comeon
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2019, 10:06:28 PM
Quote
LAS VEGAS -- At its annual meeting here during NBA summer league, the league's board of governors approved a pair of changes for next season: the use of a coach's challenge and the league's replay center initiating replay proceedings for certain types of plays.

The NBA's competition committee proposed both changes, and they earned unanimous support from the league's 30 teams.

The coach's challenge, which has been used in the NBA's G League for each of the past two seasons and has been in place for this year's version of the summer league, will be used next season by the NBA on a one-year trial basis.

Teams can use one challenge per game regardless of whether it is successful, and it can be utilized to question a variety of instances, including a called personal foul on the coach's own team, an out-of-bounds call, goaltending or basket interference. The challenge can be used at any point during the game. However, in the final two minutes of the fourth quarter or overtime, any out of bounds, goaltending or basket-interference calls will be automatically triggered for review and are not challengeable.

To challenge a play, a team must have a timeout and call one after the play, and then its coach must twirl his finger toward the referees to signal for the challenge. If a team doesn't have a timeout and attempts to challenge a play, it will be charged a technical foul and no challenge will occur. There must be clear and conclusive visual evidence to overturn a call.

Meanwhile, the league's replay center in Secaucus, New Jersey, is now able to instantly call for the review of two types of plays: whether a shot is a 2- or 3-pointer (both for made baskets to determine which it is, as well as when a player is fouled while shooting, to determine whether he gets two or three free throws), and for a potential shot-clock violation.

The league will now have a "courtside administrator," a new position hired and supervised by the NBA's league office, positioned at the scorer's table to speed up the communication between the replay center and the on-court referees.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 09, 2019, 10:56:39 PM
Challenge thing is kinda cool. Although only one per game sounds a bit too stingy. You know in a big game people will save that for a critical late game foul call.


I think maybe 1 a half. Or two overall in a game or something. Or if you have just one, a successful challenge shouldn't count against the total. Why is a team being penalized when they just fixed a bad call by having that ability nullified for the rest of the game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: benjipwns on July 11, 2019, 02:30:31 AM
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Irving's contract is especially interesting: eight separate incentives -- $125,000 each, all deemed "unlikely" -- and thus not included in Irving's current cap hit. Irving's initial salary for 2019-20 is $31,720,000 -- exactly $1 million short of his maximum. Hitting all eight bonuses would make up the difference.

Irving would earn $125,000 apiece if:

He appears in at least 70 regular-season games.

He appears in at least 60 regular-season games and averages fewer than 2.4 turnovers per game. Irving has averaged 2.6 turnovers per game over his career, and between 2.3 and 2.7 in each of his past six seasons.

He appears in at least 60 regular-season games and attempts at least 4.6 free throws per game. Irving has averaged 4.4 free throws per game for his career, and has fallen below the 4.6 mark in each of his past two seasons.

He shoots 88.5 percent or better from the free throw line in the regular season. Irving is a career 87.5 percent free throw shooter. He has cracked the 88.5 percent mark in three of his eight career seasons.

Makes at least 2.8 3-pointers per game in the regular season. Irving has accomplished that just once in eight seasons. He has averaged 2.1 made 3s per game over his career.

He commits fewer than 2.1 fouls per game in the regular season. His career average: 2.2.

The Nets score at least 114 points per 100 possessions in the regular season with Irving on the floor.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: eleuin on July 11, 2019, 02:38:00 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 09, 2019, 07:58:36 PM
NEW YORK KNICKERBOCKERS BASKETBALL

https://twitter.com/rodger/status/1149124664184061954
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: benjipwns on July 11, 2019, 02:41:07 AM
the projection only expects him to possibly have a max of two non-negative seasons over the next seven :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: benjipwns on July 11, 2019, 07:20:22 AM
Marc Spears said that Westbrook wanted out of OKC before the George trade, that they were both looking to be traded without telling the other about it :idont
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 11, 2019, 08:15:42 AM
If I'm the 76'ers and looking at the NBA landscape, and their place in it, Russell Westbrook makes a lot of sense on their team in order for them to keep up.  You can use Simmons as bait, get out of the business of trying to develop him and you won't have to sign him to a regretful long-term contract.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: benjipwns on July 11, 2019, 09:22:53 AM
The Sixers would have to trade Embiid currently to get Westbrook, everyone else on the team that can be traded doesn't add up to enough. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 11, 2019, 11:21:06 AM
Maybe they could get a third team involved and swap picks for a bad contract to make the money work.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: benjipwns on July 11, 2019, 02:19:46 PM
okay i figured it out guys

(https://i.imgur.com/KhMKSZh.png)

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: benjipwns on July 11, 2019, 02:26:55 PM
something like this was what Marc Spears was actually suggesting for some reason but he didn't know what other player than Dragic would have to be included salary wise, but Miami has a number of guys making 11-15 million over two years that would work:
(https://i.imgur.com/xNl3pWO.png)

but can you imagine Harden and Westbrook's usage :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: benjipwns on July 11, 2019, 02:32:13 PM
wait! you can team him up with KD and Irving! and not even have to give up DeAndre Jordan!

(https://i.imgur.com/hEmeTkI.png)

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Sam Presti, if you really want to get under that luxury tax, here ya go buddy, don't worry, Jordan will do it:
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 11, 2019, 03:11:43 PM
I bet the guy who didn't even get his picture in the system is gonna have a monster year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: Beezy on July 11, 2019, 09:34:50 PM
You all must be sleeping. WAKE UP

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1149474995996749825
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: Akala on July 11, 2019, 09:43:36 PM
Haha guess that’s about the last big one. I kinda like the move for Houston.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: agrajag on July 11, 2019, 10:08:51 PM
didn't Harden leave OKC to get away from Westbrook in the first place?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Kawhi and Paul George to Clippers)
Post by: El Babua on July 11, 2019, 10:11:13 PM
Harden left cause the OKC owner didn't want to go over the cap and gambled on Ibaka being a more important piece
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to the Rockets. Chris Paul sent to The Upside Down)
Post by: bluemax on July 12, 2019, 02:14:46 AM
https://twitter.com/rodger/status/1149478286151389186
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to the Rockets. Chris Paul sent to The Upside Down)
Post by: agrajag on July 12, 2019, 02:18:15 AM
we'll give a CP3 a home in Miami
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to the Rockets. Chris Paul sent to The Upside Down)
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2019, 03:57:55 PM
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The Thunder have received seven future first-round picks combined in deals sending out Westbrook and Paul George. They have received so many future first-round picks, it will be interesting to see if they can even roster all of them.
all the picks :phil
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to the Rockets. Chris Paul sent to The Upside Down)
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2019, 03:58:24 PM
https://twitter.com/BeardSanityy/status/1149542620282015745
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to the Rockets. Chris Paul sent to The Upside Down)
Post by: BisMarckie on July 12, 2019, 05:54:18 PM
Why are they screaming?
Must be the pain of being a perpetual second round exit. :rodney
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to the Rockets. Chris Paul sent to The Upside Down)
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2019, 09:46:47 PM
I guess Paul may yet wind up in Miami, OKC thought they can get more out of doing two separate deals than having to work with Houston. It also makes sense that Paul might be willing to go to more teams as long as they're playoff teams, while Westbrook wanted only Miami or Houston.

I imagine it's probably much easier to keep Paul around until the December 15th players open up too.

Kinda sucks that they traded out Jerami Grant though.

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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to the Rockets. Chris Paul sent to The Upside Down)
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2019, 09:54:36 PM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27178432/lebron-no-6-wait-due-nike-issue
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LeBron James won't be giving up his No. 23 to new teammate Anthony Davis after all.

The planned jersey swap for the 2019-20 season has been postponed due to potential production and financial issues with manufacturer Nike, a source told ESPN's Dave McMenamin, confirming a Yahoo! Sports report.

A league source confirmed to ESPN that the NBA notified the Lakers that a March 15 deadline for jersey changes had passed, but it would waive it if Nike, the league's official outfitter, complied. The company did not, as the unused inventory of No. 23 James jerseys already produced would have led to a financial hit "well into the tens of millions of dollars," a source told ESPN.

James, per the Yahoo! report, thus decided to postpone the jersey change out of what the website called consideration for fans who already purchased his No. 23 and a desire to keep the situation from becoming a distraction.
#latestagecapitalismthread
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to the Rockets. Chris Paul sent to The Upside Down)
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 12, 2019, 11:04:14 PM
Damn, that’s dirty. Lebrun better buy AD a 4 million dollar, pink diamond (stud earring). As per Laker tradition.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to the Rockets. Chris Paul sent to The Upside Down)
Post by: agrajag on July 12, 2019, 11:57:04 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bz12bXRhctL/?igshid=1bgri4z9djtdn
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to the Rockets. Chris Paul sent to The Upside Down)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 13, 2019, 07:38:13 AM
Like most people I've of two minds on the rockets thing. Chris Paul was certainly declining faster than I expected. Watching him in the playoffs was a bit sad as he could no longer take people he would have easily taken off the dribble just a few seasons ago.

Westbrook will certainly be able to do that by comparison. But his shooting ability and shot selection is so inferior by comparison that its a bit scary. Will be fascinating to watch either way.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to the Rockets. Chris Paul sent to The Upside Down)
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2019, 10:16:10 AM
h4x

https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/1150238652494221313
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to the Rockets. Chris Paul sent to The Upside Down)
Post by: benjipwns on July 17, 2019, 01:59:43 AM
https://twitter.com/LASportsRadio/status/1150456111079673856
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to the Rockets. Chris Paul sent to The Upside Down)
Post by: benjipwns on July 24, 2019, 01:23:00 AM
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After hearing concerns from owners and fielding inquiries from top agents over the past several weeks, the NBA has opened an investigation into how free agency operated this summer, multiple league sources told ESPN.

The scope of the investigation is still being determined, but sources say it will likely focus on some of the earliest reported deals on June 30 -- the first day teams and representatives for free agents are technically allowed to speak. League officials are expected to begin scheduling interviews in the coming days as they seek to gather information, sources said. There is no timetable for its completion.

The urgency for this step grew out of the board of governors meeting earlier this month in Las Vegas, sources said. During the meeting, owners raised concerns about the flurry of deals that were completed within hours of the official start of free agency on June 30, with the belief that tampering rules may have been violated, sources said.

More than a billion dollars in contracts were agreed to in the first 24 hours of the new league year, making it likely that negotiations had begun and in numerous cases were finalized well before the official opening of free agency.

Zach Lowe and Brian Windhorst's further stories talk about how agents, players/reps, and teams all are looking at contract lengths/max deals/deadlines/etc.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27240776/why-kawhi-leonard-power-move-was-watershed-moment
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27243621/inside-tense-nba-owners-meeting-change-free-agency

The main problem is that part mention where tons of money/slots were already called before free agency officially started and that some agents/players/teams are playing looser with the rules than others. Not that they want to punish any teams or players but potentially just change the dates and do away with the fiction of the deadlines. They've already done this once, if you remember the moratorium used to be like three weeks instead of a few days.
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In the midst of it, Rick Buchanan, the NBA's longtime general counsel, issued an evenhanded but sobering message to the room, multiple sources said.

Buchanan told the governors that as partners they were entitled to expect all teams to abide by a common set of enforceable rules for free agency -- and that the league office would come back with a proposal for a revised set of rules that would then be strictly enforced. He asked the group if they were comfortable with the league "seizing servers and cellphones," a line that stuck with many in attendance, according to sources who recounted the scene later.

Buchanan's tone was not threatening, or aggressive, sources say. He appeared to be offering guidance: This is what strict enforcement might look like.
The trigger seems to not be LeBron and Davis as much as George and Kawhi, the fact that it happened so suddenly and out of the seemingly nowhere, not even complaining about the deal itself (a few GMs think the Thunder got the best of the deal according to Lowe) just how it happened before anyone else even knew that it was an option on the table because Kawhi and George set it up themselves and then told the teams about it. And then how it immediately spread into Westbrook. After a ton of teams had already hard capped themselves and/or used up all their space. The complaint being how two superstars essentially didn't go on the market because there was no market ever made even on the level of Davis' list of teams from last year.

Like the above quote, the main thing is that they may want to get rid of some fictions like currently you don't talk deals with players, you talk to their agents at the draft combine or talk "extensions" which is all fiction like how players used to have to be injured and they changed it to the inactive list. They don't enforce these rules anyway so they're thinking about just getting rid of them.

Lowe also talks about how teams still have a fear that someone like KAT might dog it until their contract is up to force their way out. That some small market teams want to give them more ways to offer better deals to current players. Apparently on that point the league governors are completely baffled at players not taking the fifth year supermaxes that were supposed to be the counter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Westbrook to the Rockets. Chris Paul sent to The Upside Down)
Post by: team filler on July 24, 2019, 03:21:08 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 17, 2019, 01:59:43 AM
https://twitter.com/LASportsRadio/status/1150456111079673856
:foodcourt
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 24, 2019, 12:53:01 PM
People hate to see a black man making money.  :pacspit
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 24, 2019, 05:25:31 PM
But no one can hate Ballmer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5woKTCFXems
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: benjipwns on July 27, 2019, 09:21:13 PM
https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1155271667968593920
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: Kara on July 27, 2019, 10:36:56 PM
Exposing the Myth of Jeffrey one day at a time. :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: benjipwns on July 28, 2019, 12:30:50 AM
without David Stern to prop him up, foolish jordon will soon only be remembered for his failed time as Charlotte Hornets owner plus when he tried to break the union and extend the lockout

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Wilt had two seasons at 24/24/8, but not 25 ppg, SO NOT GOOD ENOUGH :camby
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 28, 2019, 03:47:02 PM
:mjcry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 29, 2019, 10:24:03 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhL38Uq7MSo
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: benjipwns on July 31, 2019, 07:35:28 PM
https://twitter.com/stephenasmith/status/1156685491036725252

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https://twitter.com/stephenasmith/status/1155911591860277248
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 31, 2019, 07:36:14 PM
Screamin' A Smith
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: bluemax on August 02, 2019, 11:23:52 PM
Patrick Patterson is going to the Clips as well. Also Bill Simmons had a twitter meltdown over Clips guard Landry Shamet pulling out of the World Cup today.

Schedule is starting to leak.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: benjipwns on August 03, 2019, 11:40:24 AM
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With free agency looming next summer, three-time NBA champion and All-Star forward Draymond Green has agreed to a four-year, $100 million maximum contract extension with the Golden State Warriors, agent Rich Paul of Klutch Sports told ESPN.

The new deal, which starts with the 2020-21 season, brings the total length and value of Green's contract to five years, $118 million. Green's extension pays him $22.2 million, $24 million, $25.8 million and $27.6 million over the course of the deal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 15, 2019, 04:54:06 PM
https://www.nba.com/article/2019/08/15/report-demarcus-cousins-suffers-possible-knee-injury

 :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: team filler on August 15, 2019, 05:11:21 PM
 :fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: Akala on August 15, 2019, 11:30:42 PM
I saw this earlier and got sad, dude can't catch a break.   :(

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aside from the millions of dollars, etc. I am talking like...opportunity cost.
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like since he left the Kings it should have been insane like three times.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: team filler on August 17, 2019, 02:46:53 PM
https://twitter.com/NBCSports/status/1162780195717361669
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: benjipwns on August 17, 2019, 08:19:50 PM
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Houston Rockets general manager Daryl Morey has always championed his players, and he has gone to a new extreme in praising James Harden.

"It's just factual that James Harden is a better scorer than Michael Jordan," Morey said on the "Selfmade with Nadeshot" podcast.

Morey acknowledged that people "hate" his take but explained how the numbers support his statement.

"Based on literally, like you give James Harden the ball and before you're giving up the ball how many points do you generate? Which is how you should measure offense. James Harden is by far No. 1 in NBA history," Morey said on the podcast that was published Thursday.
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Harden has the statistical edge in advanced metrics. His effective field goal percentage, which accounts for the fact that 3-pointers are worth more than 2-pointers, stands at 52.5% for his career compared to Jordan's 50.9%. Harden's true shooting percentage, which factors in free throws, stands at 60.9%, while Jordan's was 56.9%.

Harden wins out thanks to the sheer volume of 3-pointers he shoots in an era of offense vastly different from Jordan's time. As a result, Morey's point faces obvious criticism that if Jordan played now and shot more than his career average of 1.7 3-point attempts per game, he would have numbers similar to or better than Harden's.

"The counterargument is reasonable," Morey said. "They say if you put Michael Jordan on a team now he would do more than James Harden. That's possible. But if you're just saying: 'NBA history, if you give this guy the ball, how much does his team score after you give him the ball before the other team gets the ball?' It's James Harden. And I know that makes people mad, but it's literally a fact."
http://selfmadewithnadeshot.libsyn.com/6-rockets-gm-daryl-morey-debates-esports-future

I'm not sure about the three pointers thing because Jordan only shot 29% for his entire career, including the Wizards years, from the longer three. He shot 40% and took a huge chunk of his career threes at the shorter line, he doubled his attempts from there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 18, 2019, 12:13:31 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/lakers-dwight-howard-demarcus-cousins-injury-135357446.html

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According to a report from The Athletic’s Shams Charania, the Lakers are expected to request permission to talk to Dwight Howard, who is currently on the Memphis Grizzlies but is expected to be released. Howard had hinted last month that he would be open to returning to Los Angeles, despite the poor way his last stint ended.

GLEN, CAN WE HAVE A COMMENT

GLEN PLZ
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: team filler on August 18, 2019, 04:29:59 PM
 :nugenix
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: Tripon on August 18, 2019, 05:47:29 PM
Quote from: Human Snorenado on August 18, 2019, 12:13:31 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/lakers-dwight-howard-demarcus-cousins-injury-135357446.html

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According to a report from The Athletic’s Shams Charania, the Lakers are expected to request permission to talk to Dwight Howard, who is currently on the Memphis Grizzlies but is expected to be released. Howard had hinted last month that he would be open to returning to Los Angeles, despite the poor way his last stint ended.

GLEN, CAN WE HAVE A COMMENT

GLEN PLZ

https://twitter.com/Stadium/status/1163187439848054784
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: team filler on August 18, 2019, 06:37:00 PM
https://twitter.com/cjzero/status/1162792728540995590

https://twitter.com/jtidwell808/status/1162796194826993664
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: benjipwns on August 20, 2019, 04:40:46 PM
Lakers are also working out Joakim Noah, sounds like that might be a more likely signing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: BisMarckie on August 20, 2019, 04:54:45 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on August 17, 2019, 08:19:50 PM
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Houston Rockets general manager Daryl Morey has always championed his players, and he has gone to a new extreme in praising James Harden.

"It's just factual that James Harden is a better scorer than Michael Jordan," Morey said on the "Selfmade with Nadeshot" podcast.

Morey acknowledged that people "hate" his take but explained how the numbers support his statement.

"Based on literally, like you give James Harden the ball and before you're giving up the ball how many points do you generate? Which is how you should measure offense. James Harden is by far No. 1 in NBA history," Morey said on the podcast that was published Thursday.
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Harden has the statistical edge in advanced metrics. His effective field goal percentage, which accounts for the fact that 3-pointers are worth more than 2-pointers, stands at 52.5% for his career compared to Jordan's 50.9%. Harden's true shooting percentage, which factors in free throws, stands at 60.9%, while Jordan's was 56.9%.

Harden wins out thanks to the sheer volume of 3-pointers he shoots in an era of offense vastly different from Jordan's time. As a result, Morey's point faces obvious criticism that if Jordan played now and shot more than his career average of 1.7 3-point attempts per game, he would have numbers similar to or better than Harden's.

"The counterargument is reasonable," Morey said. "They say if you put Michael Jordan on a team now he would do more than James Harden. That's possible. But if you're just saying: 'NBA history, if you give this guy the ball, how much does his team score after you give him the ball before the other team gets the ball?' It's James Harden. And I know that makes people mad, but it's literally a fact."
http://selfmadewithnadeshot.libsyn.com/6-rockets-gm-daryl-morey-debates-esports-future

I'm not sure about the three pointers thing because Jordan only shot 29% for his entire career, including the Wizards years, from the longer three. He shot 40% and took a huge chunk of his career threes at the shorter line, he doubled his attempts from there.

Benji stanning for Jordon :mjcry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: bluemax on August 20, 2019, 11:17:08 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on August 20, 2019, 04:40:46 PM
Lakers are also working out Joakim Noah, sounds like that might be a more likely signing.

They better hope M'Kuzma is as good as Lakers fans think because holy shit that roster is bad.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 21, 2019, 09:25:18 AM
These Lakers teams reek of 2008-09 Cavs teams.


Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 21, 2019, 11:15:31 AM
Lakers are going to be so fucking bad next season
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: Brehvolution on August 21, 2019, 12:31:52 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on August 20, 2019, 04:40:46 PM
Lakers are also working out Joakim Noah, sounds like that might be a more likely signing.

:noah
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: Akala on August 21, 2019, 04:55:12 PM
Quote from: Brehvolution on August 21, 2019, 12:31:52 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on August 20, 2019, 04:40:46 PM
Lakers are also working out Joakim Noah, sounds like that might be a more likely signing.

:noah

:noah

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:noah
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:noah
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Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: benjipwns on August 22, 2019, 01:41:53 PM
Quote from: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27426015/nba-preseason-predictions-our-experts-picks-2019-20
Who will win the NBA title?
Heading into 2018-19, the Golden State Warriors received every first-place vote in this category. Now there's more competition, with the LA Clippers leading the way as the most likely NBA champion.

1. LA Clippers: 117 points (54.5% first-place votes)

2. Milwaukee Bucks: 85 points (36.4% first-place votes)

3. Philadelphia 76ers: 38 points (6.1% first-place votes)

4. Los Angeles Lakers: 29 points

5. Golden State Warriors: 15 points (3.0% first-place votes)

6. Houston Rockets: 11 points

7. Utah Jazz: 3 points
:doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 22, 2019, 01:48:28 PM
More like the Golden State Weain'tgonnawinanymoreiors
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: Akala on August 22, 2019, 02:46:50 PM
They have at least one more in em I think.  :umad
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on August 22, 2019, 05:02:53 PM
wow Utah getting no respect
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 22, 2019, 06:24:07 PM
Quote from: Akala on August 22, 2019, 02:46:50 PM
They have at least one more in em I think.  :umad

If by at least one more you mean "at least one more torn ACL" sure. No more chips for them tho.
 :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: Akala on August 23, 2019, 12:06:25 AM
We’ll see. They are gonna luck into one I can feel it.  :yeshrug
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 23, 2019, 07:38:11 PM
Glen is contractually obligated to cheer for a team that has LeBron AND Dwight Howard, what a time to be alive
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: Tripon on August 24, 2019, 11:38:58 AM
https://twitter.com/InsideGaming/status/1165247388128370688
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: Tripon on August 26, 2019, 11:20:03 PM
https://twitter.com/espn/status/1164288355665960965

Listened to the trailer, I'll listen over this week during the car drive and I'll give my review of it when able.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: benjipwns on September 03, 2019, 04:00:24 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/B14uBLvnQn2/

 :rejoice Pat Riley
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 03, 2019, 10:54:04 AM
Close game between Turkey & US at FIBA World Cup. 93-92.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: benjipwns on September 09, 2019, 10:47:12 AM
cool beans: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27576018/the-unusual-path-new-raptors-assistant-coach-brittni-donaldson
Quote
Donaldson graduated in 2015 with a degree in statistics and actuarial sciences, and started a job the next day at CBE Companies, a provider of call center solutions based in Cedar Falls. She analyzed the company's internal data.

"This was not what I saw myself doing at age 22," Donaldson says. In her downtime, she applied the skills she was using at work to tackle questions about what she really loved -- basketball. She didn't publish her findings, or really try to. She was experimenting.

She liked it. Donaldson started applying to every basketball and basketball-adjacent job she could find. She even kept a database tracking what happened to each application -- whether she heard back, the rejections, all of it.

Finally, Chicago-based STATS LLC hired Donaldson to work the graveyard shift monitoring data pouring in from motion-tracking cameras installed at NBA arenas. A supervisor soon pulled Donaldson into a more strategy-focused role. She began analyzing the data and producing specific reports for NBA teams. She made such a good impression on the Raptors that they hired her.
Quote
One highlight: The Raptors were on the road when they acquired Marc Gasol at the trade deadline, but Gasol had to visit Toronto to undergo a physical. He asked whether someone might run him through a workout. The team thought about calling one coach back in. Higher-ups decided Donaldson could handle it herself.

"That was special for me -- to be basically the first person he interacted with on the basketball side," she says.

Ujiri watched from his office and was impressed when Donaldson sat with Gasol after the workout, opened a laptop, and took him through some of Toronto's plays.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: BisMarckie on September 09, 2019, 11:16:23 AM
Women ruin the homoeroticy of sports.  :maf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 09, 2019, 11:30:38 AM
Jack ass ref


https://twitter.com/niendorf21/status/1170802022809067521
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: Akala on September 09, 2019, 11:37:18 AM
shameful  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 10, 2019, 01:41:48 AM
No “ninja-style” headbands allowed anymore in the NBA. :japancry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: benjipwns on September 11, 2019, 10:07:41 AM
Vince Carter is rolling in his grave right now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: VomKriege on September 11, 2019, 10:12:04 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/umoF3xP.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 11, 2019, 12:10:37 PM
Tough loss. Tip hat to france
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: benjipwns on September 11, 2019, 01:03:54 PM
I can't believe France would do this on the 18th anniversary of 9/11.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: Akala on September 11, 2019, 02:51:36 PM
that is a better 9/11 joke than I would have made earlier. everything I came up with was too  :joker for a bball thread lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: benjipwns on September 11, 2019, 11:25:44 PM
Quote from: Esch on September 11, 2019, 05:17:26 PM
https://twitter.com/kharigold/status/1171863882605965312
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EENb_yHU0AAdWht?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: bluemax on September 12, 2019, 02:06:14 AM
Kobe's PR firm really was doing a good job with the "Kobe is an ally and supporter of women" campaign, so they must be shitting themselves over this.

https://deadspin.com/why-the-fuck-isnt-kobe-bryant-a-pariah-yet-1829494689
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: Akala on September 12, 2019, 09:42:50 AM
Quote from: bluemax on September 12, 2019, 02:06:14 AM
Kobe's PR firm really was doing a good job with the "Kobe is an ally and supporter of women" campaign, so they must be shitting themselves over this.

https://deadspin.com/why-the-fuck-isnt-kobe-bryant-a-pariah-yet-1829494689

I doubt they are shitting themselves as that's a pretty bullshit article, it's just dredging up his rape case. Everyone knows about the rape case already, and the article even notes his apology, which I didn't even remember him giving...I just remember his wife sitting next to him at a presser with a rock. People keep trying to act like social accountability has set rules (that can be applied retroactively), but it's fucking random and case-specific.

I mean charges were withdrawn (however dubiously), his apology I guess is somewhat plausible, he doesn't seem to be a pattern offender. Why would he be a pariah? I am sure lots of women still dislike him, but I remember hearing a lot of the 'if his wife forgives him so do I' line of thinking. It sucks that as usual the accuser/victim was pretty much removed from the final equation, but it's far enough in the past where it's kind of past the statute of limitations.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 12, 2019, 09:50:26 AM
Shitting themselves because of a year old article?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: Akala on September 12, 2019, 09:55:48 AM
yeah that would be an additional reason.  :lol

Looks like he is still around, hard-hitting journalism on the LOLBROWNS beat:

http://deadspin.com/cleveland-browns-ban-wrong-guy-from-stadium-for-beer-po-1838042251
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: team filler on September 12, 2019, 11:35:14 AM
https://twitter.com/BertFulks/status/1171820748924735490

 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 12, 2019, 11:46:22 AM
I didn't realize Fred McLeod died a few days ago. He was the voice of the cavs for quite a while now.

https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/nba/cavaliers/a-look-at-fred-mcleods-best-catchphrases-while-calling-play-by-play-for-the-cleveland-cavaliers/95-96008a5f-2fa8-4309-b8e5-076e62934583
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: benjipwns on September 12, 2019, 07:15:02 PM
GERSTMANN :maf
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: curly on September 12, 2019, 09:44:58 PM
https://twitter.com/PhilBeckner/status/1172320664453148672
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: benjipwns on September 13, 2019, 12:08:24 AM
Mutombo :dead

spoiler (click to show/hide)
no look pee baby!
[close]
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: team filler on September 13, 2019, 12:10:50 AM
hearing mutombo's voice for the first time scared the piss out of me
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: benjipwns on September 13, 2019, 03:22:21 AM
Quote
DONGGUAN, China -- USA Basketball managing director Jerry Colangelo said Thursday that when the time comes to start assembling the 2020 Tokyo Olympics roster, he won't forget those who backed out of commitments to play in the World Cup this summer.

"I can only say, you can't help but notice and remember who you thought you were going to war with and who didn't show up," Colangelo said.
:doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: team filler on September 15, 2019, 02:21:05 PM
https://twitter.com/KyleKulinski/status/1172629293408669696
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: team filler on September 16, 2019, 04:55:12 PM
https://twitter.com/ScoutWithBryan/status/1173695775664168965
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: team filler on September 16, 2019, 06:46:02 PM
https://twitter.com/CrownVictoria22/status/1173698544835977218

 :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 18, 2019, 06:11:19 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/stephen-curry-responds-to-kevin-durants-comments-about-not-fitting-in-with-warriors

I've never quite understood the massive chip on Durant's shoulder. He has been treated more positively than just about any superstar by the media and still he plays the rodney dangerfield card.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: ToxicAdam on September 18, 2019, 08:03:03 PM
Durant is just passive aggressive. It’s in his bones. It creates all these weird interactions with teammates and fans.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: curly on September 20, 2019, 06:34:30 PM
https://twitter.com/KDTrey5/status/1175128354833534977

finally a superstar athlete who can represent us milennials
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: team filler on September 21, 2019, 01:10:20 PM
https://twitter.com/BR_NBA/status/1175123711780737025
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: benjipwns on September 21, 2019, 11:07:32 PM
I don't get this recent round of stories about Durant and the Warriors coming up yet again. Why is anyone still talking about this? It's been known from the start, they never tried to hide it. They'd do entire stints during games where Durant got a bunch of isolations while everybody stood outside the arc as reward for playing the worlds greatest Harrison Barnes replacement in the Warriors passing game.

The real fun starts a year from now when Kyrie and Durant are both on the floor together, two epic passive aggressive players who spent the last three years messing around with two contenders each.

I also figure we're closing in on Durant getting his first tattoo outside of his jersey fit, almost willing to predict it happening before he returns to the court.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: benjipwns on September 22, 2019, 01:45:36 AM
https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/1175421277328347141
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: team filler on September 24, 2019, 03:45:00 PM
https://twitter.com/fadecorner/status/1176578621047283712

 :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: benjipwns on September 27, 2019, 10:08:30 AM
Adam Silver is out of control:
https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1177238915956101120
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: team filler on September 27, 2019, 01:14:05 PM
https://twitter.com/YaboyAnt7/status/1177631345998098432

https://twitter.com/pbcgod/status/1177631796915081216
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: team filler on September 29, 2019, 11:11:26 AM
https://twitter.com/el_budget/status/1178026329557684224
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: team filler on September 29, 2019, 12:10:55 PM
https://twitter.com/Hou5ton4L/status/1178078180416077826
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: team filler on September 30, 2019, 10:37:33 PM
https://twitter.com/Irv_Do/status/1178394073889157127
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: benjipwns on September 30, 2019, 10:41:05 PM
had to team up with somebody who could handle Joe Ingles for him

also I know they want Russell slipping to those corners but he'll get camping there and watching if they don't give him the green light to also do things like randomly crash for absurd putback attempts while everyone in the arena shakes their head as Scott Brooks found out
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: team filler on October 01, 2019, 11:34:52 AM
https://twitter.com/Dame_Lillard/status/1179049501354422273
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Waiting for the off-season to end)
Post by: benjipwns on October 01, 2019, 11:30:43 PM
So regarding those actual player heights the league is requiring, 2K uses the official NBA measurements rather than actual heights (for a number of reasons including the licensing requiring it), some people edited Durant to be 7 feet while changing nothing else and he becomes literally impossible to guard and breaks everything about the game. :lol

A few years back they zeroed the strength of "Lew Alcindor" because he was similarly impossible to stop, so only by making other bigs be able to push him out could you get him outside perfect range. But it was only really a problem if you were playing the 1971 or All-Time Bucks. Durant will be used in all kinds of modes and stuff being a current player.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 02, 2019, 11:58:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7uwCx91gpE&app=desktop
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: team filler on October 05, 2019, 03:41:55 PM
https://twitter.com/33643pts/status/1180543717888929792
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 05, 2019, 08:15:38 PM
Lakers versus Warriors preseason game on now.

Man Lakers are tall.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 05, 2019, 08:28:02 PM
AD is gonna be so nasty
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: team filler on October 05, 2019, 08:32:43 PM
plan the parade  ;)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 05, 2019, 09:48:04 PM
Starters are done. Lakers looked good. Anthony Davis especially. Dwight looked a bit stiff. Rondo still needs to learn to shoot better since he will always be completely wide open as no one guards him.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLvyZ6UvhcQ
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 07, 2019, 01:12:12 AM
I've pimped this channel before but here is another one. Probably my favorite current content producer on nba stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAnJaNdpqD8
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: team filler on October 07, 2019, 08:54:08 PM
https://twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1181357490367279105

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1181367228265951233
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 07, 2019, 10:25:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQYTIDTnhKI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6ciwh0De3c
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: team filler on October 08, 2019, 01:42:46 AM
https://twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1181348407887179777
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: team filler on October 08, 2019, 01:44:30 AM
https://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1181612167079976961

 :-[
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: team filler on October 08, 2019, 08:07:32 PM
https://twitter.com/bluewirepods/status/1181364575247175681

 :leon
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: team filler on October 08, 2019, 08:28:22 PM
https://twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1181724555649400832

https://twitter.com/LegionHoops/status/1181725662345740290

 :hmm
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2019, 01:27:12 AM
Big guys jacking threes or trying other stuff like crossovers on the break is one of my favorite parts of preseason. Shaq in all-star games type fun. Although these days some of that is legit trying to extend their range like Simmons and even Adams probably instead of just goofery.

One year Ben Wallace got a long rebound and KG didn't even bother to come out of the paint and yelled SHOOT IT at him and he did and made it, so he tried another and it wasn't even as close as Andre's there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2019, 01:31:28 AM
https://deadspin.com/internal-memo-espn-forbids-discussion-of-chinese-polit-1838881032
Quote
This could be because Chuck Salituro, the senior news director of ESPN, sent a memo to shows mandating that any discussion of the Daryl Morey story avoid any political discussions about China and Hong Kong, and instead focus on the related basketball issues. The memo, obtained by Deadspin, explicitly discouraged any political discussion about China and Hong Kong. Multiple ESPN sources confirmed to Deadspin that network higher-ups were keeping a close eye on how the topic was discussed on ESPN’s airwaves.

...

Around the Horn did a long segment on the ongoing story, and in doing so provided both the high and low points of the network’s coverage on the topic. The low point came right off the bat, when Tony Reali threw the topic to Ramona Shelburne, who alluded to “both sides” of the “issue” without giving any sort of explanation of what those sides or issues were. She said:

“Listen, I have learned more about the issue with China and Hong Kong in the last 48 hours because of this, and I think it is an example of how sports shines a light on the rest of the world. We go all the way back to ping-pong diplomacy in the 1970s when he U.S. ping pong team played against China and started opening up China to these discussions. People on both sides of this issue, whether you are in mainland China, Hong Kong, or around the world feel strongly about their positions. And I think it’s important for all of us to read about it and understand what is going on.”

...

The high point arrived when another ATH panelist, Kevin Blackistone, became the only person across all of ESPN’s shows to actually talk about what is going on in Hong Kong. He said:

“I don’t think it was a mistake for Daryl Morey to express his sympathy for a movement against authoritarianism being implemented into Hong Kong. A struggle that has been going on now for four months, that reportedly has injured 1,100 people, reportedly now has live gunfire in the streets, which has injured a couple of people, which reportedly has left a journalist covering all this blind. This is a very serious situation.”

https://deadspin.com/stephen-a-smith-pauses-between-bootlicks-to-tell-daryl-1838854121
Quote
“Daryl Morey, a good man, an exceptional executive, and a conscientious human being, what were you thinking speaking up on this issue?” Smith asked. “It’s about a multitude of people that extends far beyond yourself that you have compromised because you had this insatiable appetite to disseminate a tweet. You don’t know better than that?”

Smith bizarrely frames Morey’s low-key activism as something childish and immature. He believes it to be so because, he says, Morey’s urge to show support for the Hong Kong protestors was ... selfish? “You don’t just think about yourself before you act,” Smith blustered. “That’s what boys and girls do. That’s what children do.”

“Daryl Morey had an obligation to think about the Houston Rockets organization and about the National Basketball Association before himself,” Smith said, loading in a bunch of punctuating pauses and Pacino-style emphasis. “You have an obligation to adopt and embrace the interest of those you collect a paycheck from.”
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2019, 01:39:38 AM
https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1181363875591131136

r.i.p. in pieces JJ

https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1181784164871356416

r.i.p. in pieces JJJr.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: team filler on October 10, 2019, 02:39:18 AM
https://twitter.com/CrypticNoOne/status/1182171116573474816

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: bluemax on October 10, 2019, 11:38:42 PM
https://twitter.com/meechthegreek/status/1182323949067276288?s=21
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: benjipwns on October 10, 2019, 11:44:24 PM
https://twitter.com/MeechTheGreek/status/1182351065305538561

https://twitter.com/MeechTheGreek/status/1182331840272719872

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: bluemax on October 11, 2019, 12:19:10 AM
Morey always playing 4D chess while everyone else is playing tiddly winks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: team filler on October 11, 2019, 01:51:16 AM
https://twitter.com/Flaxonflax/status/1180706858077736960
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: team filler on October 11, 2019, 02:16:09 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/SgyITMN.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: benjipwns on October 11, 2019, 11:04:15 AM
Nate and crew made a new thing: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/introducing-raptor-our-new-metric-for-the-modern-nba/

Zach Lowe also started his League Pass Rankings: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27807188/the-2019-20-nba-league-pass-rankings-pt-1
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: team filler on October 12, 2019, 02:00:39 PM
https://twitter.com/injuryexpert/status/1183062165873483784

 ::)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: team filler on October 12, 2019, 03:07:51 PM
https://twitter.com/Lakers/status/1183012451178008576

 :shaq
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: team filler on October 12, 2019, 03:28:35 PM
https://twitter.com/JaValeMcGee/status/1183067007727611905

 :pimp
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: benjipwns on October 14, 2019, 02:31:14 AM
https://twitter.com/NBA/status/1183501163326517249
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 15, 2019, 09:39:10 AM
You think the Lebron China tweet controversy will have legs?

I see people saying that this gaffe is worse than The Decision, but I don't see people over a certain age giving a fuck or non-NBA fans even caring.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: Akala on October 15, 2019, 10:53:04 AM
I can't see it being worse than the decision, but it does come off a bit  :comeon .

I got impression that his main issue was having players being dragged into it while over in China more than straight-up calling for a capitulation.  :chinacry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: naff on October 15, 2019, 12:14:04 PM
it's much worse than The Decision ethically etc. people aren't going to care long term tho. he just mad he stood to lose some millions. ppl in 'murca get it!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: Akala on October 15, 2019, 05:04:20 PM
won't someone please think of Klay.  :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: team filler on October 15, 2019, 05:06:08 PM
https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1184188206926843904
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: Akala on October 15, 2019, 05:22:24 PM
that would tie in nicely as to why he wanted it kept behind doors, but think I want a few more sources before I believe that.  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: team filler on October 15, 2019, 07:14:10 PM
https://twitter.com/kevkage_/status/1184226729348481024
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2019, 07:16:14 AM
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/247120125260464139/633858777300336701/FB_IMG_1571194087184.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: Uncle on October 16, 2019, 08:47:52 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/jERn7E7.jpg)

 :whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2019, 09:05:39 AM
Quote
Sacramento Kings guard Bogdan Bogdanovic is weighing a maximum contract extension from Sacramento or entering free agency after the season.

Bogdanovic told The Sacramento Bee on Tuesday that he has received a four-year, $51.4 million extension offer but has not decided whether he will sign it.

"They did, but we will wait to see," Bogdanovic told the newspaper of the offer. "Maybe we will sign tomorrow. Maybe we sign in a month. Who knows? We will see."
wait what
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2019, 09:06:54 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgMZEk0MKi8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6bOkKj2Ric
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2019, 01:00:35 PM
(https://i.redd.it/29gnjj844us31.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: team filler on October 17, 2019, 12:52:48 AM
https://twitter.com/cjzero/status/1184674017803935749

https://twitter.com/Dubs408/status/1184691365998809088
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: team filler on October 17, 2019, 12:55:22 AM
https://twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1184685320647913472
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 17, 2019, 01:02:04 AM
Lakers looking great this pre-season. That being said, they've played the Warriors every game except 1.

 :doge

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: team filler on October 17, 2019, 01:32:22 AM
https://twitter.com/LALeBron23/status/1184696497629253632
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: team filler on October 17, 2019, 10:14:29 AM
https://twitter.com/SLAMonline/status/1184715701040209922
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: Akala on October 18, 2019, 01:30:17 PM
Zion out a few weeks.  :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 18, 2019, 05:19:31 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Oden
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: Akala on October 18, 2019, 05:30:40 PM
:notlikethis
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 18, 2019, 06:21:33 PM
Unfortunate. Was looking forward to seeing him play.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: team filler on October 19, 2019, 12:06:41 PM
https://twitter.com/opinionsondanba/status/1185572497829183488
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 19, 2019, 12:34:41 PM
48 wins, tops
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: benjipwns on October 19, 2019, 04:22:03 PM
More extensions!
Quote
Forward Pascal Siakam has agreed to a four-year, $130 million maximum rookie contract extension, agents Todd Ramasar and Jaafar Choufani told ESPN.
Quote
Utah Jazz coach Quin Snyder has agreed to a long-term contract extension, league sources tell ESPN.

Snyder had two years left on his deal, and a new contract extends multiple years beyond that term, sources said.
Could be a bunch more, October 21st is deadline for a whole bunch of players. Jaylen Brown, Buddy Hield, Domantas Sabonis, etc.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: team filler on October 20, 2019, 02:26:46 AM
https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/1185769531815251970
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: benjipwns on October 21, 2019, 02:51:56 PM
Combined ESPN/538/Vegas/Pelton/BPI projections are out:

Eastern Conference:
1. Milwaukee Bucks (55-27)
2. Philadelphia 76ers (52-30)
3. Boston Celtics (48-34)
4. Toronto Raptors (46-36)
5. Indiana Pacers (45-37)
6. Miami Heat (43-39)
7. Brooklyn Nets (43-39)
8. Orlando Magic (42-40)
----
9. Detroit Pistons (38-44)
10. Chicago Bulls (34-48)
11. Atlanta Hawks (33-49)
12. Washington Wizards (30-52)
13. New York Knicks (26-56)
14. Charlotte Hornets (25-57)
15. Cleveland Cavaliers (24-58)

Western Conference:
1. Houston Rockets (54-28)
2. Denver Nuggets (53-29)
3. Los Angeles Clippers (52-30)
4. Utah Jazz (51-31)
5. Los Angeles Lakers (49-33)
6. Golden State Warriors (47-35)
7. Portland Trail Blazers (45-37)
8. Dallas Mavericks (43-39)
----
9. San Antonio Spurs (41-41)
10. New Orleans Pelicans (39-43)
11. Minnesota Timberwolves (38-44)
12. Sacramento Kings (38-44)
13. Oklahoma City Thunder (35-47)
14. Phoenix Suns (32-50)
15. Memphis Grizzlies (29-53)

Only real disagreement among them in terms of which team tops their conference is 3-2 Rockets over Nuggets (Bucks went 5-0), Pelton has Sixers, Clippers and Jazz all closer to 47 wins.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: Akala on October 21, 2019, 03:07:12 PM
I think Mavs a bit too high but it's not really worth griping. There will be 1 or 2 good teams that don't make the playoffs in the West.

Pretty excited for the season, it's wide open. I have money on GSW but official prediction for finals is Bucks v. Jazz in the lowest-rated finals in history.  :shh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 21, 2019, 03:08:27 PM
35 wins for Oklahoma City is just a little bit generous

and honestly so is 25 wins for charlotte
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: benjipwns on October 21, 2019, 03:48:16 PM
The Mavericks are scoring high in a bunch of the stat-heavy models. I don't have my databases in any shape to mess with, but I expect they're actually pretty noisy. You have one year of Doncic, KP's data is from some time ago, they overhauled the roster at midseason last year and many of those parts (or their FA replacements like Delon Wright and Seth Curry) should be also noisy.

OKC is probably a tad high because nobody wants to predict Paul and Gallinari deals (and maybe also Adams and Schroeder ones) and there's not much to replace them with. Zach Lowe pointed out that a lot of teams might just wait on the Thunder and try to pluck the players in the offseason, unless it's a contender trying to get Paul/Gallinari/Adams as the "one last piece" addition ala Gasol last year.

The Nets and Spurs were both really noisy datasets coming into last season, but everything worked out, and with Carlisle and the whole staff still in place it looks really similar to those two situations.

For what it's worth, Pelton's system put the Mavericks in the playoffs but he said everyone from the Blazers down to Suns (in the combined prediction ranking) were sneaking in enough times in the simulations to suggest it could be whoever gets "hot" enough (going like 10-5 over a span) to end the season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: bluemax on October 21, 2019, 04:15:35 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 19, 2019, 04:22:03 PM
More extensions!
Quote
Forward Pascal Siakam has agreed to a four-year, $130 million maximum rookie contract extension, agents Todd Ramasar and Jaafar Choufani told ESPN.
Quote
Utah Jazz coach Quin Snyder has agreed to a long-term contract extension, league sources tell ESPN.

Snyder had two years left on his deal, and a new contract extends multiple years beyond that term, sources said.
Could be a bunch more, October 21st is deadline for a whole bunch of players. Jaylen Brown, Buddy Hield, Domantas Sabonis, etc.

And another one:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27897038/jaylen-brown-agrees-4-year-115-million-extension-celtics also I think Hield has an offer as well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: benjipwns on October 21, 2019, 04:18:14 PM
Yep:
Quote
Sacramento Kings guard Buddy Hield has agreed to a four-year, $94 million contract extension, league sources told ESPN.

The deal includes $86 million in guaranteed money, $8 million in exceedingly reachable bonuses and another $12 million in incentives that could elevate the deal to $106 million over its term, league sources said.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 21, 2019, 05:11:30 PM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27897494/zion-williamson-undergoes-knee-surgery-6-8-weeks
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: bluemax on October 21, 2019, 06:13:20 PM
Sabonis got paid as well:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27897423/domantas-sabonis-agrees-4-year-77-million-deal-pacers

Prince got paid less:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27897757/nets-extend-taurean-prince-2-year-29-million-deal

Woj with the list of guys who didn't get paid:

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1186400703826317313
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins Tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 22, 2019, 01:31:54 PM
I like Jaylen Brown but four-years, $115M seems like a lot for him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins Tonight)
Post by: team filler on October 22, 2019, 07:52:32 PM
https://twitter.com/NBATV/status/1186711317060739074
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins Tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 22, 2019, 10:37:34 PM
Win or lose Pelicans looked really good tonight. Got a lot from their bench.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins Tonight)
Post by: Akala on October 22, 2019, 11:48:23 PM
Just choked in OT. I think pretty good foundation at first glance.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins Tonight)
Post by: bluemax on October 23, 2019, 12:09:41 AM
Things the Clips need:

1. Doc Rivers to trust someone as the fourth guard
2. Rim protection
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins Tonight)
Post by: team filler on October 23, 2019, 01:05:57 AM
oldbron  :yuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins Tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 23, 2019, 01:21:19 AM
Welp one game down. The Clips looked really good. Gave the Lakers a lot of problems. We'll see how they adjust as things go on.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins Tonight)
Post by: team filler on October 23, 2019, 01:35:29 AM
https://twitter.com/Gianni2225/status/1186873743055949824

 :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins Tonight)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 23, 2019, 02:04:54 AM
Yeah, KCP is a whole lotta

 :comeon
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on October 23, 2019, 02:24:36 AM
https://twitter.com/IsaacSJ408/status/1186869859042246658

 :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: curly on October 23, 2019, 09:29:39 PM
Quote from: filler on October 23, 2019, 02:24:36 AM
https://twitter.com/IsaacSJ408/status/1186869859042246658

 :kobeyuck

the fate lakers fans derserve
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 23, 2019, 09:48:10 PM
Quote from: filler on October 23, 2019, 01:35:29 AM
https://twitter.com/Gianni2225/status/1186873743055949824
Still his greatest move this year:
https://twitter.com/shaqtin/status/1185607646436610048
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2019, 12:29:39 AM
https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/1187220593206272000
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: curly on October 24, 2019, 12:39:56 AM
https://twitter.com/mdotbrown/status/1187192858379309057
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2019, 01:20:51 AM
https://twitter.com/mikecruoglio/status/1187198251130392576
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2019, 01:26:02 AM
https://twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1186864896773898240
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on October 24, 2019, 01:55:44 AM
the 12-man league i signed up for is h2h points plz kill me
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: agrajag on October 24, 2019, 05:03:51 AM
Heat is gonna be good this year.  8)

But now I have to also become a fake Wizards fan  :popular
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: BisMarckie on October 24, 2019, 07:22:01 AM
Bulls season already over before it began and with no hope to really get better for at least 3 or so years.  :fbm

Saving the money on NBA League Pass :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 24, 2019, 08:42:57 AM
Luka and his hot mom continue to look great. Porzingis looked rusty, but he still put in 23.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 24, 2019, 09:47:09 PM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27922268/suns-deandre-ayton-tests-positive-diuretic-gets-25-game-ban
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on October 24, 2019, 10:29:51 PM
Rockets looked Basura.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on October 24, 2019, 11:28:08 PM
The Warriors have 2.5 NBA caliber players right now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on October 25, 2019, 12:27:52 AM
https://twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1187567072232038400
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 25, 2019, 12:35:54 AM
The Clippers are the new Warriors.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on October 25, 2019, 01:09:04 AM
Doc Rivers before the game said Terance Mann probably wasn't getting in. Thanks to the blow out, he did!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on October 25, 2019, 01:53:36 AM
https://twitter.com/ComplexSports/status/1187602128707182592

https://twitter.com/GoatedWestbrook/status/1187604955152039939
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on October 26, 2019, 01:05:02 AM
https://twitter.com/__ray_o/status/1187932683269070848

 :shaqc
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on October 26, 2019, 01:32:22 AM
https://twitter.com/_evetteee/status/1187957751248343045

 :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Nola on October 26, 2019, 09:27:34 PM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1188262857822990336
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 26, 2019, 10:39:31 PM
He plays such bitch ball. At the end of the game he is literally just hunting for fouls rather than trying to make baskets. I find him impossible to root for.

https://twitter.com/TheRenderNBA/status/1188282126799659009


The Kings fans are already furious at Walton.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 26, 2019, 11:34:07 PM
There's actually a piece of new commentary in NBA2K20 where Chris Webber mentions that the Warriors don't play a full-on metric game, but what used to be known as "the passing game" on top of having great shooters, it's the Rockets who play the insufferable full-on metric style and he stops himself just before saying Harden is impossible to enjoy. :lol

Getting guys who shoot 85+% to the line a bunch has been old old metric ball going back to Rick Barry. Then Utah designed an entire offense for Adrian Dantley around this and his ability to post-up despite being 6-5, hell a lot of what Chuck did was based around similar stuff. It's why Chauncey Billups was one of the most efficient scorers of his era* despite a FG% of 39-42%, half his shots were FTs at near 90%. (Reggie, Magic and Bird probably don't get enough credit for propping up their scoring this way so often when their shooting was otherwise off.)

*
Quote from: old Bill Simmons column, the argument started months earlier with him criticizing Billups as useless on offense
Q: Why won't you understand shooting percentages? 33 percent from beyond the arc is the equivalent of 50 percent from within. If a guy shot 50 percent from the field, would you be killing him for shooting? Of course not. You obviously realize how stupid that would be. Yet that's what you've been doing -- FOR YEARS -- with your mind-boggling argument against 3-point shooting unless the guy can hit 75 percent of his 3s. Just think about it for a couple of seconds. Please ... we are begging you.
-- Nick, New York

SG: Dozens of readers e-mailed me Nick's same stupid argument in a similarly condescending way, which is what makes the following so much fun: I'm not stupid, YOU'RE STUPID. That 33/50 logic only makes sense in a professional basketball league in which they aren't calling fouls and you aren't allowed to pass to a teammate ... which, as far as I can tell, doesn't currently exist.

Let's say that one player attempts 12 3-pointers and makes four (for 12 points). His teammate attempts 12 2-pointers and makes six, but during that time -- because he's not standing 25 feet away jacking up 3s like an idiot -- he also draws three fouls on his defender, creates two assists for teammates, makes three of four free throws, turns the ball over once, and misses one layup that gets tapped in by a teammate (we'll call it 19 points). You're telling me those two scenarios are equal? If I'm playing LeBron (a 31 percent 3-point shooter), ideally, I want him jacking up contested 3s because that means (A) he's not getting to the line, (B) he's not getting my guys in foul trouble, and (C) he's not potentially creating shots for someone else. I can't defend LeBron when he's going to the basket, especially if he's getting calls. But you know what? If he's happy shooting 3s from 25 feet with a hand in his face, then I'm delighted. This is great. I want him to do that. And if he's doing something that the other team WANTS him to do, then he's doing the wrong thing. I'm fine with shooting 24-footers over 20-footers, but getting into the paint will always be more valuable than jacking up 3s. It's just a fact.

(Note to Nick and everyone else who mailed me the 33/50 argument: I'm doing the Dikembe finger wave at you. Don't come into my house.)
[close]
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 27, 2019, 12:53:01 AM
Suns beat Clippers

 :leon
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on October 27, 2019, 12:56:14 AM
clippers defense  :mjcry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on October 27, 2019, 07:29:15 AM
https://twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1188280598147846144
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 27, 2019, 05:12:12 PM
OKC:89
Golden State:56

3rd quarter 4:36

 :jeanluc
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on October 27, 2019, 05:21:16 PM
Based on a SSS the Phoenix Suns are a better team right now than the Warriors.

Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 26, 2019, 10:39:31 PM
He plays such bitch ball. At the end of the game he is literally just hunting for fouls rather than trying to make baskets. I find him impossible to root for.

https://twitter.com/TheRenderNBA/status/1188282126799659009


The Kings fans are already furious at Walton.

Free throws are the only thing keeping Harden from being total trash this year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 27, 2019, 06:20:52 PM
The thing about Harden isn't that he does things that no other player does. Any superstar or player worth his salt has his own bag of dirty tricks and moves to play the margins. Normally you kind of respect that stuff because its shows a smart dedication to the craft.

But Harden has COMPLETELY crafted his game around this kind of stuff. And its not like he's 40 or something and needs every cheating edge he can get. I remember when everybody got all outraged about flopping a few years ago. ( I didn't personally.) But flopping is no worse or different than everything Harden does to sell every single one of his drives.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 27, 2019, 08:54:29 PM
wow doubt anyone was watching it here but that Grizz nets game was crazy. Ja Morant is gonna be good. I'll find twitter link for final shot in a sec

edit:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1188619660737957888
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 27, 2019, 11:53:14 PM
Dare I actually say it. Dwight Howard was key tonight. Against bad teams he's gonna be pretty decent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pwY1hsKVpk
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on October 28, 2019, 04:06:06 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/zSnNsrT.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/dqLKvc6.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 29, 2019, 01:48:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOicOPrxnHw
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on October 30, 2019, 12:33:55 AM
Just in case you forgot, Anthony Davis is really, really good.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 30, 2019, 12:34:21 AM
Anthony Davis is a god damn monster. End of third quarter.


40 pts. 2 blocks. 20 rebounds. 26-27 at the free throw line.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on October 30, 2019, 12:39:27 AM
 :shaqc
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on October 30, 2019, 12:49:42 AM
As someone on a discord I'm on noted, Lonzo Ball had 52 career made FTs with the Lakers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 30, 2019, 02:19:52 AM
Quote from: bluemax on October 30, 2019, 12:49:42 AM
As someone on a discord I'm on noted, Lonzo Ball had 52 career made FTs with the Lakers.

Anthony Davis made 6 more free throws tonight than Lonzo made all of last season for the Lakers
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on October 30, 2019, 02:46:23 AM
https://twitter.com/MainTeamSports/status/1188896680831324160
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2019, 09:38:03 AM
Trae Young was using too many hacks, so he's gotta take a couple weeks off.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Akala on October 30, 2019, 10:03:35 AM
Good to see AD thrive. He'll be legit great as long as he can stay healthy and Bron's wheels don't fall off.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on October 30, 2019, 08:49:52 PM
https://twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1189702936479326208

he tapped  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 30, 2019, 10:41:35 PM
Rockets:159
Wizards:158

Final score. That is NOT an overtime score. That is a regular 4 quarter score.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 30, 2019, 11:02:10 PM
Suns:36
Warriors:11

2:00 minutes still left in the first quarter
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on October 30, 2019, 11:42:23 PM
MJ was right  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on October 30, 2019, 11:50:12 PM
People wanted to clown the Clippers for losing to the Suns, but it turns out the Suns are a functional NBA team this year. Unlike the Warriors.

Also Clippers gave Kawhi the night off for load management and they're getting crushed by the Jazz.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 31, 2019, 12:46:53 AM
Quote
Golden State Warriors guard Stephen Curry suffered a broken left hand in Wednesday's game against the Phoenix Suns after a hard fall.

The play happened with 8:31 left in the third quarter when Curry drove to the rim and collided with Suns big man Aron Baynes, who attempted to take a charge and ended up falling on top of Curry's hand.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Tripon on October 31, 2019, 12:50:05 AM
Quote from: bluemax on October 30, 2019, 11:50:12 PM
People wanted to clown the Clippers for losing to the Suns, but it turns out the Suns are a functional NBA team this year. Unlike the Warriors.

Also Clippers gave Kawhi the night off for load management and they're getting crushed by the Jazz.

Thinking how roster management like this wouldn't be an issue for baseball or football. At least people understand that aspect of the game. Coming down to the conclusion that basketball probably either needs expanded rosters or cut back on games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 31, 2019, 12:55:04 AM
Quote from: Tripon on October 31, 2019, 12:50:05 AM
Quote from: bluemax on October 30, 2019, 11:50:12 PM
People wanted to clown the Clippers for losing to the Suns, but it turns out the Suns are a functional NBA team this year. Unlike the Warriors.

Also Clippers gave Kawhi the night off for load management and they're getting crushed by the Jazz.

Thinking how roster management like this wouldn't be an issue for baseball or football. At least people understand that aspect of the game. Coming down to the conclusion that basketball probably either needs expanded rosters or cut back on games.

People are idiots in general in any sport. Load Management or whatever term you want to call it has been around for awhile now with the Spurs and Kawhi is just the most high profile example of it. Basketball has a segment of knucklehead fans who always talk about the "good old days" when basketball was full of hard fouls, no 3's and whatever other piece of nostalgia they can pull up. It's not going to stop people from doing it. The neanderthal fan type will always have something to complain about.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on October 31, 2019, 12:55:06 AM
 One sort of interesting recent thing in baseball that is related, when they changed the DL from 15 days to 10, teams started putting some of their more fragile pitchers on the DL with fake injuries. That way they could rest them for two weeks and not have to eat a roster spot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on October 31, 2019, 12:56:17 AM
I wouldn't say football has totally gotten it given that seems still pay big money for running backs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on October 31, 2019, 02:11:01 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 30, 2019, 10:41:35 PM
Rockets:159
Wizards:158

Final score. That is NOT an overtime score. That is a regular 4 quarter score.

that game was wild. i had it playing on my computer screen on mute and couldn't stop glancing over while watching the nats game.

despite being 1-4, i still believe we are going to be sneaky good with troy brown jr back in the lineup and once isaiah thomas takes over the starting gig pushing ish smith completely out of the lineup

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on October 31, 2019, 02:22:01 AM
https://twitter.com/JoelEmbiid/status/1189787845701058560
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 31, 2019, 06:07:46 PM
I was gonna suggest last week that steph should fake an injury and miss 70+ games this season but it looks like that was the plan all along
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on October 31, 2019, 11:28:05 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on October 31, 2019, 06:07:46 PM
I was gonna suggest last week that steph should fake an injury and miss 70+ games this season but it looks like that was the plan all along

Same.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 31, 2019, 11:54:41 PM
Michael Porter finally got burn tonight. He looked really tentative. like, even for a rookie. But he’s gonna be good
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 01, 2019, 09:51:08 PM
Mavericks need a rebrand like yesterday
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 02, 2019, 01:16:55 AM
Lebron crushed it tonight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSl8lJqh3aQ

That was a good game all around for both teams.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on November 02, 2019, 02:42:20 AM
https://twitter.com/warriorsworld/status/1190443707335507968

 :hmm
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 02, 2019, 08:59:14 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIZ6DnKW4AIEKcp.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 02, 2019, 11:20:06 PM
https://twitter.com/YESNetwork/status/1190775617714823168

r.i.p. in pieces all of Ukraine
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 04, 2019, 02:19:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P8jtljUTKk

Dwight kinda killing it for the Lakers still. He was the difference last night again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 04, 2019, 11:10:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtmOUKCiV1U
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 04, 2019, 11:34:01 PM
That Brooklyn crowd is anemic.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on November 04, 2019, 11:45:19 PM
Ben Simmons is bad and the Suns are good.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2019, 03:16:25 AM
The Santa Cruz Warriors are screwing up the tank!

https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/1191596241093824512
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 05, 2019, 10:51:20 AM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1191739652601995270
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 05, 2019, 11:18:42 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9crdCIZwjc&
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2019, 11:27:51 AM
It's only like 5-7 games but a bunch of dudes have crazy video game stats. Just to take from the top of VORP rankings:
28/14/7
26/8/11
29/12/3
27/10/10
29/7/6/2
32/6/8
31/5/7
37/5/7
27/12/4/2/2
21/19/2/2/2
27/5/7

Westbrook looks almost human in comparison:
21/10/9
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 05, 2019, 01:22:54 PM
Drummond’s 19.5 rebounds a game :jeanluc
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 05, 2019, 01:33:58 PM
Golden state has 40 more nationally televised games this year...

anyone know why the nba doesn’t flex schedule (much)?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 05, 2019, 01:42:25 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on November 05, 2019, 01:33:58 PM
Golden state has 40 more nationally televised games this year...

anyone know why the nba doesn’t flex schedule (much)?

There was talk about it back a few years ago when new tv deal came but no one really brings it up much anymore.

https://deadspin.com/what-the-nbas-insane-new-tv-deal-means-for-the-league-a-1642926274
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2019, 01:46:03 PM
I want to say that they do, but they might not have adjusted the games yet? Lots of games start at the same time usually so they can switch. Then again if they're the late game I'm not sure if the ratings are so great on them to bother changing. I know that they don't bother if one of the teams is still like the Lakers/LeBron (before he was Lakers)/whatever since the media tends to pay attention to those anyway.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: agrajag on November 05, 2019, 08:02:21 PM
I know the season just started and it's ultimately meaningless, but Heat #1 in the East!

 :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 06, 2019, 01:50:06 AM
https://twitter.com/Ballislife/status/1191910102288207873
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: agrajag on November 06, 2019, 08:31:04 AM
fuck, I jinxed them! The Nugs gave us quite the spanking, even though they neutralized Jokic quite well.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2019, 01:57:29 PM
https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/1192137034623856641

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on November 06, 2019, 10:06:22 PM
https://twitter.com/opinionsondanba/status/1192271300556808192
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 06, 2019, 11:22:17 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on November 05, 2019, 01:33:58 PM
Golden state has 40 more nationally televised games this year...

anyone know why the nba doesn’t flex schedule (much)?

https://twitter.com/bytimreynolds/status/1192140154879635456?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on November 07, 2019, 12:27:43 AM
https://twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1192308168774344709
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 07, 2019, 05:57:07 AM
https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1192320434232004608
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on November 09, 2019, 01:03:08 AM
https://twitter.com/AndySlater/status/1193038369422487552

 :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2019, 01:04:36 AM
"Heat player"
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 09, 2019, 01:36:06 AM
lol if true. What an idiot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2019, 01:39:36 AM
I need a figure on exactly how many THC gummies he ate.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 09, 2019, 02:01:40 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66bCtdptcdA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNomH_inZmk
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 11, 2019, 12:18:50 PM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28058946/sources-knicks-president-angling-david-fizdale-firing

Quote
Even before a startling news conference in the wake of a blowout loss to Cleveland, New York Knicks president Steve Mills had started to lay the internal groundwork for the eventual dismissal of coach David Fizdale, league sources told ESPN.

Mills is selling owner James Dolan on a roster constructed to be highly competitive in the Eastern Conference, leaving Fizdale vulnerable to an ouster only weeks into the second season of a four-year contract that league sources say is worth $22 million.

Days before exiled star Kristaps Porzingis returns to Madison Square Garden with the Dallas Mavericks, Mills delivered the first public salvo on shaping an organizational narrative that the Knicks struggles aren't born of an overmatched roster, but the lack of a "consistent level of effort and execution."

 :goty2
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 13, 2019, 02:00:57 AM
And the Knicks don't understand why Irving and Durant didn't even consider them and then signed across the river.

Fitzdale definitely needs to roll out the all-fours lineup now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 13, 2019, 11:08:12 PM
https://twitter.com/BradGalli/status/1194817262915600391
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on November 13, 2019, 11:09:55 PM
https://twitter.com/AthIete_BibIe/status/1194826435778818051

#onlykcp
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on November 13, 2019, 11:29:16 PM
https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/status/1194826273702531072

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 14, 2019, 12:42:33 AM
KCP might have caught a serious injury in that game. Kinda sucks. His offense has been shit but his defensive play has been pretty good relatively speaking.

76ers looking a little weaker than expected. I was a little questionable of their shooting and it only got worse from last year to this year. Portland seems just about dead for this season. Everybody else got better. And they will be missing Nurkic for most of the season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 14, 2019, 01:01:33 AM
Andrew Wiggins this season.

25.5 points per game.
FG%: 47.3
PER 21.12

 :leon

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 14, 2019, 01:38:00 AM
https://twitter.com/NBA_Skits/status/1194784939193065474
https://twitter.com/NBA/status/1194801870155505669
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on November 14, 2019, 06:05:16 PM
https://twitter.com/idkhoops/status/1194958838232805376
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 14, 2019, 09:28:30 PM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28082614/source-trail-blazers-signing-carmelo-anthony-non-guaranteed-contract

Quote
Carmelo Anthony is signing a non-guaranteed deal with the Portland Trail Blazers, a source tells ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.

The Blazers have tried at different times in the past to add Anthony and made an attempt to acquire him when he was with the Knicks.

Portland is lagging at the bottom of the West standings with a 4-8 record, having lost its last two games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 14, 2019, 11:32:06 PM
https://twitter.com/HawksOnFSSE/status/1195172343015854080
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on November 15, 2019, 12:12:44 AM
Clippers defense with Lou Williams and Montrez Harrell on the floor is... not great. At least Paul George looked good!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on November 15, 2019, 01:01:49 PM
Luka > Dirk

28.7 PPG (4th), 10.3 RPG (11th), 9.3 APG (2nd), 30.62 PER (2nd) at the age of 20?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxJEFg9Jw_s

He needs to play with better starters. Curry and Finney-Smith are garbage and Porzingis is playing like garbage.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJbPv7eUYAElZ4_.jpg)

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on November 16, 2019, 02:08:55 PM
https://twitter.com/jessenewell/status/1195540183317397504

 :badass
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on November 16, 2019, 10:00:45 PM
https://twitter.com/Juan36Ariel/status/1195898516230615043
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on November 17, 2019, 02:20:27 AM
Quote
"He's clearly the second-best point guard to ever play for the Hawks." -- Hawks career assists leader Rivers on Young.

Clippers dropping an easy 150 on the Hawks without Kawhi.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 17, 2019, 02:07:25 PM
ppg: 15.2
rebs: 10.6
per:22.14

I like how Tristan Thompson decides to show up in a contract year despite taking the prior ones off when he got paid.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on November 17, 2019, 11:34:43 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/1VRQfrp.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: naff on November 18, 2019, 12:13:01 AM
anyone got thoughts on how long Lowry will be out? they're saying 2 weeks at least, but it sounds worse than that?

got him sitting in IR in my fantasy league and Russell's out now for at least 2 weeks with a thumb injury too. pretty fresh to playing fantasy. did it once years ago, but was casual and barely cared. anyone got tips on resources etc. def want to hold on to Russell, but wondering if i should try trade for Lowry. thumb fracture sounds p bad.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on November 18, 2019, 01:20:15 AM
what's your league's format?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: naff on November 18, 2019, 01:50:20 AM
9 cat h2h

top 2 in REB,PTS,BLK

3rd in FG%,

middle of the pack in FT%,3PT,TO

low af in AST, STL

tryna figure out a trade getting rid of lowry in IR and kendrick nunn for a decent guard to gimme a little FT%/3PT bump.

 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on November 18, 2019, 02:48:01 AM
what about league size, roster size and positions.

but being top 3 in 4 categories make it sound like you accidentally punted by drafting a lot of 4/5s and neglected drafting guards, at least that's what i'm assuming. punting has its disadvantages but being top 3 in those categories makes it seem like you made some good choices in your roster. i personally wouldn't trade nunn as he is posting great percentages across the board and nick nurse himself said lowry will take a few weeks to heal realistically; he's only being reevaluated in two weeks. maybe trade one of your lesser bigs for a guard? post your roster


i'm currently in a 12-man h2h points league :yuck and i'm 1-3. however, i have both ayton and collins who are both suspended until mid to late dec and can realistically win every matchup i have until ayton's suspension is lifted on dec 17. if everything holds, i should have smooth sailing to the championship once those two are back in my lineup.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: naff on November 18, 2019, 03:12:05 AM
12 man. espn. got dwight on the waiver wire for kris dunn the other day. traded into gobert (for beal. seemed better for me to cement my position punting ast and stl. maybe a bad trade idk).

projection stats/power rankings are bit f'd for me rn because kawhi is barely playing and 2 decent guards are out. seen a bit of talk about kawhi having a degenerative knee issue that's getting worse with age and he's possibly going to be load managed all season.. hope not.

russell is gonna be great with curry out if he can stay healthy. was looking at possibly trading for ben simmons, but lowry is much better in 3ptm and FT%

(https://i.imgur.com/OBqt9Bp.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on November 18, 2019, 03:45:48 AM
bro, you fucking traded away beal :snoop

beal historically has slow starts as he is over eager to show off his new skills at the start of every season ever since he signed his max. i mean, the kid went from being a catch and shoot sharpshooter who could barely dribble to having one of the best handles in the leagues on top of becoming a playmaker. we used to scream at our tvs whenever he'd run a half-court offense as a point but now he's averaging nearly 7 assists. if his last three games are any indication, he has just made another jump and has become an even more efficient player. you prob just traded away a potential mvp candidate for fucking GOBERT

the wizards have also only played 11 games thus far so beal and the rest of the wizard's squad were a bit behind in contributing.



i have a historically bad headache atm and can barely function but i'll attempt to help.

so yea, i can see why you need help and you might need to give up some of that rebounding. i'm assuming there's no weekly limit for games played so if that's the case, i'd try trading kawhi asap, even for a lesser player or two. consider dropping marc gasol who has been straight garbage thus far and patrick beverly has never been a player whose game shows up on the stat sheets, he's rostered at 15% for a good reason. maybe a trade package for those two? there's always a good percentage of idiots in 12-man leagues. dedmon and young to a lesser extent are both garbage as well, drop both and use those two slots to rotate players depending on the matchup and your league's weekly acquisition limit (which btw, abused the hell out of if you can. i always have 1 slot used to maximize on this). there are always players you can grab from the waiver that can help with most categories, especially rebounding which is the only thing that those two offer.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: naff on November 18, 2019, 04:04:53 AM
yeah, I fear I'm the idiot here.

def felt bad about the gobert trade. I thought about it a good long while. ugh.

live and learn. I'm amending a legal statement and have a bit of work to do still tonight, but I'll get back to thsi tomorrow.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on November 18, 2019, 04:16:59 AM
the big issue is kawhii's load management

and the second issue is the pairing between the two. you're punting way too hard. gobert is better paired with a player like harden or even beal than say kawhii



still, this can be salvaged. gobert is still playing as expected, it's just kawhii was a high-risk pick and he's on pace for playing 60 some games. at least you have dlo, who is going to become a steal once he's back in the lineup.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on November 21, 2019, 03:07:09 AM
https://twitter.com/SpidaSZN_/status/1197199093556228099
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 21, 2019, 08:47:54 AM
Luka :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on November 21, 2019, 12:43:44 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 21, 2019, 08:47:54 AM
Luka :lawd
His 22/5/5 first quarter.  :gladbron

Ten Games in November (33.9 MPG): 31.9 PPG, 11.4 RPG, 10.5 APG, .64 TS%.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 21, 2019, 02:57:18 PM
Dawn Staley couldn't stop herself from actually playing defense even knowing the script
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on November 22, 2019, 02:10:21 PM
https://twitter.com/marclamonthill/status/1197954075096240129
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 23, 2019, 10:51:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR7UL8UvWtQ
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 23, 2019, 11:06:49 PM
The zero assists is somehow appropriate.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 23, 2019, 11:07:16 PM
https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1198420108806361089

NBA should screw this talk about a mid-season tournament and playoff play-in to instead add the Rock n' Jock baskets and higher point spots to the second and third quarters.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 24, 2019, 02:30:53 AM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28145944/sources-nba-considering-reseeding-conference-finalists-postseason-play-in?platform=amp&__twitter_impression=true

I hate all of this.

edit: maybe not all of it but definitely the play in game part of it. How fun to watch a 10th seed make the playoffs.  :yuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 24, 2019, 02:43:28 AM
lol the play-in proposal is worse than I thought:
Quote
The play-in proposal is this: two four-team tournaments featuring the seventh, eighth, ninth and 10th seeds in each conference. The seventh seed would host the eighth seed, with the winner of that single game earning the seventh spot, league sources said.

The ninth seed would host the 10th seed, with the winner of that game facing the loser of the 7-vs.-8 matchup for the final playoff spot.
So you could finish 7th by a significant amount and still watch two teams potentially well below you make the playoffs because you lost two games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 24, 2019, 02:50:03 AM
Last year this would have resulted in this in the West:

7. Spurs (48-34) vs. 8. Clippers (48-34)
9. Kings (39-43) vs. 10. Lakers (37-45)

The East would have had the Nets escape the play-in tournament by a tie-breaker unless they awarded the bye to the Magic for winning their garbage division:
6. Nets (42-40)
7. Magic (42-40) vs. 8. Pistons (41-41)
9. Hornets (39-43) vs. 10. Heat (39-43)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 24, 2019, 02:51:19 AM
It's such a fundamental mis-read of college basketball and march madness and the nba and how fans relate to each.

Just like how player drafts were going to fix the all-star game was an attempt to fix a mortal wound by giving the patient some aspirin.


edit: They fucked up the coach challenge just as I said they would also. As a coach you basically just have to leave it to until the end in case the refs fuck up on a very late play. You should be able to challenge and get your challenge back if you are right. Or have a challenge for each half. But nope. They went with the worst possible case. So dumb.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 24, 2019, 03:01:42 AM
If they want to do some kind of mid-season tournament they should just do like a three-on-three tournament on the All-Star Weekend nights. There's dudes who would want to do that rather than play the two meaningless games. And even getting mid-tier dudes/rookies/etc. from teams would make that fun.

I read that the players kinda liked doing shooting stars, which is why so many vets were willing to do it, but thought the league was doing it all wrong. Like how it's botched HORSE how many times.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 24, 2019, 03:08:55 AM
https://mag.bleacherreport.com/jordan-magic-greatest-game-never-played/

1 on 1 or a 3 on 3 little tournament could work. You still have the issue of trying to incentivize players to give a shit about such a thing but that is a much stronger starting point at least instead of some 30 team tournament that nobody would ever give a fuck about.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 24, 2019, 03:17:33 AM
In 1972, the NBA actually had a one-on-one championship that took place over like multiple months (they were during half-time of actual games and stuff) and culminated I think during a playoff game.

The finals had Bob Lanier basically just take Jo Jo White into the paint over and over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk9WhHFhLus

They bring him the cash in a duffel bag :lol

They also did a HORSE Tournament at the end of the 70s (must be '78, don't see the three point line):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juo6g-cJz9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCk7SjkSE4c
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 24, 2019, 03:20:28 AM
lol these remind me of the HORSE contest a few years back they did where Rondo was trying to do trick shots while Durant just took long jumpers and tried to win by attrition and Rondo made like a bunch of threes in a row to nearly derail it, Maravich is out here just throwing up crazy stuff while they're poppin jumpers
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on November 24, 2019, 06:50:31 PM
https://twitter.com/BillyReinhardt/status/1198748732206067714
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on November 25, 2019, 12:51:18 AM
https://twitter.com/ScoutWithBryan/status/1198675992803459072
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 25, 2019, 01:10:54 AM
I legit love Semi-Pro. IIRC, they found out after doing the movie that a bunch of the stupid ABA gimmicks were close to the real stuff teams tried. They hadn't read Loose Balls or anything.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on November 25, 2019, 06:48:07 PM
https://twitter.com/Rjeff24/status/1199088813567610892
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 25, 2019, 11:36:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQHHF-IQFE8
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on November 25, 2019, 11:50:24 PM
Quote from: filler on November 13, 2019, 11:29:16 PM
https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/status/1194826273702531072

 :lol

After this game Westbrook's brother tried to pick a fight with Montrezl Harrell. Also Westbrook bricked the game winner.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 26, 2019, 01:16:56 AM
https://twitter.com/RTNBA/status/1199162664116723718
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 26, 2019, 12:21:45 PM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28165154/the-future-load-management-potential-new-nba-schedule
Quote
The league outlined new guidelines for injury reporting in a Nov. 11 memo to teams, a copy of which was obtained by ESPN.

The short version: Load management is now rest. Period. If you see that term, it will mean a healthy player is taking the night off. If skipping that particular game violates the league's resting policy, that player's team will be penalized.
Quote
The league has robust investigatory authority to make sure teams obey the rules. A team cannot simply list a player as out with a sore whatever without evidence and sit that player in a national TV game that would normally trigger the league's resting policy, Spruell said.

For any injury, the NBA requires that teams submit documentary proof into a league-supervised portal, according to Spruell and team medical personnel who spoke to ESPN. Those documents can and should include official reports from examinations by trainers and team doctors, medical imaging and other documents, should the league request them.

"They get everything," one team medical staffer told ESPN.

If that is not enough, the league might require team doctors hop on the phone with John DiFiori, the NBA's director of sports medicine, Spruell said. If a team wants to rest a healthy player in any game that would normally fall under the resting policy, they must call the league office at least 48 hours in advance, the memo states. In practice, they are calling much sooner, according to Spruell and team personnel. Some teams have called a week in advance to test the waters on resting a healthy player, only to end up playing him anyway, league officials said.

And related to an earlier discussion:
Quote
The league also has allowed for some wiggle room on what constitutes a "high-profile" national TV game, sources said. A game on NBA TV might not be the same as a game on ESPN or TNT. A Golden State Warriors-New Orleans Pelicans game without Zion Williamson and most of Golden State's foundational stars might no longer qualify as "high profile" -- providing teams more flexibility in resting healthy players.

On a semi-related note, the NBA and its broadcast partners -- ESPN included -- have recently discussed the possibility and feasibility of more aggressively "flexing" out scheduled national TV games that do not look as appealing in light of injuries and team performance, sources said. Some mega-teams -- the Lakers, for example -- will never be flexed regardless of injury. On some national TV nights, there are few alternatives on the schedule.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 26, 2019, 02:29:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8RhyUzW3t0
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: naff on November 27, 2019, 09:03:39 PM
winslow back with the heat today. would've been nice to see him and butler playing but butler's sick (too many gummies?). heat getting wrecked.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 27, 2019, 11:49:06 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKbqxYvWwAAU95c?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Akala on November 28, 2019, 12:23:58 AM
AD WHY  :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 28, 2019, 12:26:51 AM
https://twitter.com/HardKnicksLife/status/1193747375736705025

"the glory days"
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 28, 2019, 12:37:07 AM
That was a close ass game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on November 28, 2019, 01:36:32 AM
https://twitter.com/AdnaAIA/status/1199850873612099584
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 28, 2019, 10:13:49 AM
So I rarely bitch about refs. I'm not the type of person who is into phantom conspiracy ref calls. I also think the speed of the game and lack of refs with the angles they have pretty much makes many calls impossible to get correct and are simply guess work. That's not their fault. That's just the nature of the game.

All that being said, the replay system is a joke if the refs aren't going to overturn their obvious mistakes. That kcp call was ridiculous last night. And I've seen it multiple times in games this year when refs refuse to overturn an obvious mistake they made on a foul call.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srIJDhYd0z0

What ever happened to that secaucus review center that use to handle this stuff?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on November 28, 2019, 03:19:58 PM
https://twitter.com/cabul_94/status/1200144422316363776
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: naff on November 30, 2019, 07:45:06 PM
https://twitter.com/VicLombardi/status/1200937552464580610

Stopped watching after the first quarter as Sac were getting so crushed. go back to see what's happening after I see it's gone to OT. final 7 seconds Denver have to make a 3 to tie it up, Murray takes the inbound, walks up the court and hits the paint without even trying for a shot. end game. :lol

good weed in colorado huh?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on November 30, 2019, 10:30:34 PM
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1200975661126471680
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: naff on December 01, 2019, 06:15:50 PM
he also tried to say it was due to his teammates not getting open and making screens

idk man

https://twitter.com/DimeUPROXX/status/1200938204876214272
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on December 04, 2019, 12:29:49 AM
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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on December 04, 2019, 02:30:18 AM
https://twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1202113280875155457
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2019, 01:28:03 PM
Almost a quarter of the season through so far so you can start to make some concrete observations about things. Just some random thoughts.


The Lakers are enjoyable to watch obviously. This is much better than the last few seasons in Cleveland. The team is an actual team. I don't think they are as quite as good as their record would indicate but they are good. Especially on defense. The offense still lags behind that somewhat especially when the iso stuff isn't working.

The Clippers still strike me as the team to beat especially when the playoffs roll around and the rotations get shortened.

Not sure what is wrong with Mike Conley. Just a new situation perhaps but his numbers are way off. 14 pts  4.6 ast. 12.49 per. I thought he would be great for them but it hasn't been working out so far.

I also conclude now that the rockets would have been better with Chris Paul. Westbrook is shooting 23% from three point range. That's his worst percentage since his 2nd year in the league.

The east seems surprisingly good. The top 5 are all pretty good and indy is the 6th and they haven't had oladipo yet.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 04, 2019, 03:22:00 PM
I find it weird that ratings are down this year. It been the most enjoyable/interesting early NBA season in recent memory.

I wonder if youtube is finally cutting into television ratings. Because I find myself watching truncated NBA games (on youtube) way more than the actual live broadcasts. Same goes with NFL.



Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on December 04, 2019, 04:25:25 PM
there is a strong correlation with superteams and ratings so it's not at all surprising. as much as die-hards love the idea of parity, the general or median audience don't. you can't compartmentalize your product as easily if there are dozens of teams in contention.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on December 04, 2019, 04:43:51 PM
and admittingly, i've watched far fewer games this year due to a lack of an over-arching narrative. the only promising one thus far is the rivalry brewing between the clippers and houston, specifically between beverly and westbrook/harden. the embiid and towns scuffle isn't going to amount to much seeing as they meet like twice a year
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 04, 2019, 08:48:25 PM
https://twitter.com/MavsAreRacist/status/1202371560608280577

huge if true
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Akala on December 04, 2019, 11:04:19 PM
I have been watching less this year for some reason. Aside from lack of Zion, I think the concept of a lack of (or altered?) narrative holds water. Injuries really wrecked a few key players/teams, and the season so far hasn't been what we expected.

Mavs fans happy though.  :lol

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on December 04, 2019, 11:48:56 PM
People kept trying to say that NFL ratings declined with the knee taking, but they didn't decline any more than any other television show. Maybe this is just the same natural decline do to people not paying for cable anymore?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 04, 2019, 11:50:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmPhOezGLss
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 05, 2019, 12:07:33 AM
I think this year is far more entertaining and interesting than any in recent years. It helps of course on a personal level that the Lakers are kicking ass but for me that's not the reason. It's simply because you don't have a juggernaut overshadowing things like the Warriors or the Heat in the big three era. You have good teams and favorites but this is the most wide open the race has been in quite awhile. That alone makes for more compelling viewing. I've watched as much basketball as I always do but the Warriors really broke basketball for me in a fundamental way that sapped a lot of my personal interest away.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on December 05, 2019, 12:16:19 AM
Quote from: bluemax on December 04, 2019, 11:48:56 PM
People kept trying to say that NFL ratings declined with the knee taking, but they didn't decline any more than any other television show. Maybe this is just the same natural decline do to people not paying for cable anymore?

cord cutting alone doesn't explain the sudden extreme drop in ratings when just last year it reached a 4 year high

https://twitter.com/Ourand_SBJ/status/1201682472758583296
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 05, 2019, 12:18:15 AM
five teams in both conferences are on track to win 50+ games, then you've got one team each in the 45-48 range, then you have like four teams hovering around 37-40 wins for now but could easily get a late season 15-5 run or something and move up like Orlando and Portland and etc. did last season, so there's lots of jockeying still to happen among like ten teams in each conference

a fun thing is that all the good teams are in the top half of the league in defense this year, except Houston and they're 16th, so there's much about getting these offenses back in gear as the teams gel

also fun is the Raptors still contending in terms of wins projected (57-25) which would be second in the league sneaking past the Lakers
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on December 05, 2019, 12:54:21 AM
https://twitter.com/RealGolfBT/status/1202412364898848768
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on December 05, 2019, 11:35:13 PM
Can we talk about how Marv Albert needs to retire or is that taboo?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 06, 2019, 12:25:11 AM
Quote from: TEEEPO on December 05, 2019, 12:16:19 AM


cord cutting alone doesn't explain the sudden extreme drop in ratings when just last year it reached a 4 year high

https://twitter.com/Ourand_SBJ/status/1201682472758583296



I was listening to Kornheiser today and he was talking about how local ratings for Wizards b-ball is down 56% (!!) over last year. Granted they are a bad team, but they were bad last year, too. That’s a crazy drop in just one year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on December 06, 2019, 01:44:07 AM
https://twitter.com/MickstapeShow/status/1202763549254258688

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on December 07, 2019, 02:31:28 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on December 06, 2019, 12:25:11 AM
Quote from: TEEEPO on December 05, 2019, 12:16:19 AM


cord cutting alone doesn't explain the sudden extreme drop in ratings when just last year it reached a 4 year high

https://twitter.com/Ourand_SBJ/status/1201682472758583296


I was listening to Kornheiser today and he was talking about how local ratings for Wizards b-ball is down 56% (!!) over last year. Granted they are a bad team, but they were bad last year, too. That’s a crazy drop in just one year.

(https://www.broadcastingcable.com/.image/c_limit%2Ccs_srgb%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_700/MTY4MTE2NTI4NTk4NzU0NTc3/ptg-imageashx.webp)

behold, legalized gambling. fuck monumental sports and csn 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 07, 2019, 06:37:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g3QUnvNj-A
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With 1.1 seconds remaining and the Thunder down two points, Wolves center Karl-Anthony Towns stood at the free throw line with an opportunity to ice the game. He missed his first attempt, and the Wolves sent forward Jordan Bell to check into the game.

As Bell walked into the game, his jersey was untucked, and Thunder guard Chris Paul loudly alerted referee Scott Foster of it.

"Jersey out! His jersey's out! That's a delay of game!" Paul yelled. Foster took notice, and called the Wolves for a delay of game. "Damn right," Paul said after Foster made the call.

It was Minnesota's second delay of the game -- Towns had been called for one in the first half for not having wraps on his knees unwrapped before he was signaled to check into the game -- which resulted in an automatic technical foul.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 08, 2019, 11:52:59 PM
Anthony Davis was disgusting tonight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0mSDBa4Sv4
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on December 09, 2019, 12:20:31 AM
https://twitter.com/___Colb___/status/1203905044254466050

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on December 09, 2019, 12:43:04 AM
https://twitter.com/GiImoreCB1/status/1203897872711897088

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Rman on December 09, 2019, 07:41:32 PM
How bad does Magic Johnson look now that Rob Pelinka, the current architect of the recent Lakers and guy he badmouthed publicly, has them running like a machine?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on December 10, 2019, 02:16:02 AM
Quote from: Rman on December 09, 2019, 07:41:32 PM
How bad does Magic Johnson look now that Rob Pelinka, the current architect of the recent Lakers and guy he badmouthed publicly, has them running like a machine?

Kinda not that hard to have a good team when you're gifted an in his prime top 3 player. Are we also buying Dwight Howard and Javale McGee play as sustainable?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on December 10, 2019, 02:33:45 AM
dwight howard, absolutely

and mcgee is a 2x soon to be 3x champ. have some respect for the former wizard :maf
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 10, 2019, 03:11:41 AM
https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/1204250948228583424
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Rman on December 10, 2019, 07:40:37 AM
Quote from: bluemax on December 10, 2019, 02:16:02 AM
Quote from: Rman on December 09, 2019, 07:41:32 PM
How bad does Magic Johnson look now that Rob Pelinka, the current architect of the recent Lakers and guy he badmouthed publicly, has them running like a machine?

Kinda not that hard to have a good team when you're gifted an in his prime top 3 player. Are we also buying Dwight Howard and Javale McGee play as sustainable?

Sure, but he also hired the coach and his defensive system is legit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on December 15, 2019, 10:14:43 PM
https://twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1206403042175836160

 :whoo
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 15, 2019, 10:40:07 PM
I think you could stick just about any coach and any combination of players around Lebron and AD and they would be very good. Which is kind of a dis but the role players have been working hard. Even KCP. So I don't want to overly crap on them.

I don't really blame what Magic said and did. I blame how he went about it. It was a very public spectacle that didn't help the team. There is a better way of taking a shit on somebody if that is what you want to do. Time and Place.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on December 15, 2019, 10:42:29 PM
the parade is on. I'm still a bron hater, but I'll enjoy the championships just the same  :shaq
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on December 20, 2019, 07:32:15 PM
https://twitter.com/PapiBack/status/1207955967603855366

https://twitter.com/Erry_2nd_Counts/status/1207957801475223552

https://twitter.com/CrypticNoOne/status/1208033164263858176

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on December 22, 2019, 01:30:50 AM
https://twitter.com/BayouBun/status/1208629721153638400

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 22, 2019, 09:25:37 PM
Talk about turning lemons in lemonade. OKC is better than teams like the Suns, Timberwolves, etc. Unless they just trade players to bottom out they are a 7th or 8th seed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 01, 2020, 06:18:14 PM
https://twitter.com/KyleNeubeck/status/1212478896454733824
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 01, 2020, 06:25:18 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 01, 2020, 06:18:14 PM
https://twitter.com/KyleNeubeck/status/1212478896454733824

(https://i.imgur.com/byu8J8V.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on January 01, 2020, 08:24:15 PM
https://twitter.com/Dubs408/status/1212480511228039168
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on January 01, 2020, 08:27:37 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on January 02, 2020, 04:40:16 PM
https://twitter.com/EricPincus/status/1212839049745977344
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 02, 2020, 04:42:43 PM
Lakers could really use him. Rondo has reverted back to his awful self after a deceptive start to the season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 05, 2020, 01:51:41 AM
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/kevin-love-reportedly-erupts-at-cavaliers-general-manager-koby-altman-amidst-teams-struggles/

I mean to be fair to Cleveland there isn't much they can do. And signing Love to that massive contract was always a strange move on their part after Lebron left.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 05, 2020, 05:35:00 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 02, 2020, 04:42:43 PM
Lakers could really use him. Rondo has reverted back to his awful self after a deceptive start to the season.
https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1212970607408795648
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 05, 2020, 11:34:09 PM
https://twitter.com/NBA/status/1214027057954541572


On a completely unrelated side note, Kyle Kuzma has become a complete shit player for some reason this season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 05, 2020, 11:39:39 PM
They should try that after Andre gets in the paint. :maf
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 07, 2020, 04:44:21 PM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28441083/pistons-star-blake-griffin-indefinitely-surgery-knee

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Detroit Pistons star Blake Griffin underwent an arthroscopic procedure Tuesday on his injured knee and will be out indefinitely, the team announced.

The Pistons said in a statement that following the surgery, Griffin will undergo an "extended rehabilitation period."

Griffin, a six-time All Star, has played only 18 games this season because of issues with the knee. He had arthroscopic surgery on the same knee in April.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on January 09, 2020, 08:35:00 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1215119622367850496
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 10, 2020, 11:47:27 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVz50fe2z4U
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Tripon on January 10, 2020, 07:07:41 PM
https://twitter.com/ESPNLosAngeles/status/1215785810584199168

Magic Johnson am cry.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 13, 2020, 11:42:17 PM
https://www.technologyreview.com/f/615034/an-nba-star-plans-to-turn-his-contract-into-digital-tokens-and-sell-them/

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Basketball and other sports stars are typically given multi-year contracts that work out to a certain dollar amount per year. Dinwiddie hopes that by tokenizing his three-year, $34.36 million contract, he will be able to collect its value up front, instead of having to wait.

Dinwiddie plans to sell 90 tokens for $150,000 each to accredited investors. After a year, they will be tradeable. The digital security will pay out 4.95% interest on a monthly basis, and fully pay out when it matures in 2023, according to Forbes. Dinwiddie says the structure he and his legal team have created can be used by other players too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 14, 2020, 01:04:51 AM
Dwight Howard  3 pointers this year
3-5   
60.0

Ben Simmons 3 points this year
2-5   
40.0

Just saying.

https://twitter.com/TheBallRealm/status/1216958583323136000

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6dGAG-38I8
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 22, 2020, 12:47:09 AM
https://twitter.com/Lakers/status/1219761603278585856
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on January 22, 2020, 11:01:20 PM
Zion played guys!

He looked like someone who hasn't run in a long time!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on January 22, 2020, 11:04:16 PM
mark jackson is like if that ricky bobby ‘with all due respect’ joke were a person
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on January 22, 2020, 11:39:46 PM
5-5-3 with 4 turnovers in 14 minutes so far for Zion.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Akala on January 22, 2020, 11:43:14 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on January 22, 2020, 11:52:18 PM
And 4 minutes of playing time later he's at 22-7-3. Whew.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 23, 2020, 01:06:45 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUof52Wu9aA

Picked up NBA 2k20 and was playing that this evening so missed Zion's debut unfortunately.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 23, 2020, 07:51:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtYgU1-YY94
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on January 24, 2020, 09:46:18 PM
Zion 15-5-0-1 in 16 minutes so far tonight. 7-8 FGA 1-4 FT No threes, only 1 turnover.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 25, 2020, 12:21:30 AM
BLOCKBUSTER:
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Mavericks get: Willie Cauley-Stein, Justin Patton

Thunder get: Isaiah Roby, cash

Warriors get: Utah's 2020 second-round pick
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 28, 2020, 10:29:35 AM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28577888/nba-postpones-clippers-lakers-game-kobe-bryant-death
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Akala on January 29, 2020, 08:53:52 AM
I know it's only the Cavs, but Pels looked pretty good against the Celtics other night as well. Will see how they look against Houston, but it seems like they are coming together a bit better than expected. Hope to sneak into playoffs, which honestly most had written off.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 30, 2020, 02:41:13 PM
https://twitter.com/AP_Sports/status/1222957174940405766
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on January 30, 2020, 03:20:30 PM
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1222935242874458113

 :tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 30, 2020, 04:22:13 PM
Who would have thought in 1996 that Magic would outlive Kobe
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Pissy F Benny on January 30, 2020, 05:03:53 PM
He wasn’t called magic for nothing  :mynicca
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on January 30, 2020, 08:21:35 PM
i am actually really encouraged by tommy sheppard thus far :idont
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on January 30, 2020, 09:34:35 PM
https://twitter.com/netw3rk/status/1222730394790842370

https://twitter.com/netw3rk/status/1223026622770503680

The Knicks, every time you think it can't get worse... it does!

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on January 31, 2020, 01:43:17 AM
well this is the most fun i've had watching the wiz since the 2016-17 run largely because outside of IT, we don't have a single rental on the roster so it's hard to agree that it's much of the same shit when the entire ethos of the team has been changed from top to bottom :idont
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 04, 2020, 02:33:49 PM
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The Timberwolves are orchestrating multiteam trade discussions with Houston and Atlanta in hopes of ultimately turning discussions into a four-way deal that brings Golden State guard D'Angelo Russell to Minnesota, league sources told ESPN.

The Timberwolves, Rockets and Hawks have the assets to fulfill some of each team's goals: forward Robert Covington to Houston, center Clint Capela to the Hawks and potentially two first-round picks and an expiring contract to Minnesota, league sources said.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 04, 2020, 02:33:56 PM
Quote
The New York Knicks parted ways with president Steve Mills, the team announced Tuesday.

General manager Scott Perry will oversee the basketball operations in the interim, the team said.

The Knicks' front-office shake-up on Tuesday comes two days before Thursday's NBA trade deadline.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on February 04, 2020, 08:45:46 PM
https://twitter.com/LaJethroJenkins/status/1224761597903564801
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on February 05, 2020, 12:37:03 AM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1224925362896932864

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1224926791955111936

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1224929420353441793
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 05, 2020, 12:45:28 AM
that's like 2/3rds of the leagues trade assets that have been talked about the last month in one deal :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on February 05, 2020, 01:04:50 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 05, 2020, 12:45:28 AM
that's like 2/3rds of the leagues trade assets that have been talked about the last month in one deal :lol

Yeah other than like whatever flotsam the Clippers have, Andre Iguadola and Marcus Morris Sr... it feels like there's not much left suddenly.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Himu on February 05, 2020, 01:34:59 AM
how is the shot at 8:34 possible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InaZsfsI8ZQ
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 05, 2020, 09:30:23 PM
Quote
The Memphis Grizzlies have agreed to a deal to send Andre Iguodala to the Miami Heat, a league source told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.

Iguodala agreed to the trade, and he has also agreed to a two-year, $30 million extension with Miami, sources said.

Justise Winslow is also part of the package headed to Memphis in the trade, sources told Wojnarowski.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1225222774618148864
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 05, 2020, 10:41:26 PM
mo trades
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The Sacrameto Kings will trade Dewayne Dedmon back to the Atlanta Hawks for Jabari Parker and Alex Len, sources tell ESPN's Zach Lowe and Adrian Wojnarowski. Atlanta will receive a second round pick in 2020 and 2021 in the deal.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Akala on February 05, 2020, 11:38:11 PM
heat actually looking 2nd best in the east.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 06, 2020, 02:36:22 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1225480358860333056

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1225496738649296896

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1225499125724172296
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Akala on February 06, 2020, 02:52:50 PM
Drummond to Cleveland  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 06, 2020, 02:56:33 PM
Between Love, Drummond and TT the Cavs are making a run at the team rebound record.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 06, 2020, 02:58:14 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1225508038418849795
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 06, 2020, 03:47:14 PM
https://twitter.com/AndreDrummond/status/1225519766665715712?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 06, 2020, 03:50:25 PM
https://twitter.com/davidaldridgedc/status/1225518906573545472
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on February 06, 2020, 05:53:05 PM
i never have to see isaiah thomas and thomas bryant share the floor together ever again, bless  up :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 06, 2020, 09:45:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Woh_Y9Vm5iw
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 06, 2020, 10:38:26 PM
Rockets playing 6-6 pj tucker at center tonight
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 07, 2020, 12:55:02 AM
And the Lakers lose to the little man squad.

So the Lakers have not been especially good against decent teams (they feast on the crap teams) and Kuzma and Rondo have become almost unplayable. The Lakers are not as good as their record.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Ghoul on February 07, 2020, 05:33:15 AM
All star weekend, "We do not want East vs West, we're doing a draft instead"

LeBron James and Giannis Antetokounmpo

"We're gonna make it east vs west"

 :jawalrus
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Rman on February 07, 2020, 01:14:32 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 07, 2020, 12:55:02 AM
And the Lakers lose to the little man squad.

So the Lakers have not been especially good against decent teams (they feast on the crap teams) and Kuzma and Rondo have become almost unplayable. The Lakers are not as good as their record.

What about the Clippers?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 07, 2020, 02:10:54 PM
Quote from: Rman on February 07, 2020, 01:14:32 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 07, 2020, 12:55:02 AM
And the Lakers lose to the little man squad.

So the Lakers have not been especially good against decent teams (they feast on the crap teams) and Kuzma and Rondo have become almost unplayable. The Lakers are not as good as their record.

What about the Clippers?

No team is perfect but I trust the Clippers a lot more than the Lakers. When PG and Kawhi play they win. Against the good teams. And come playoffs they will be playing every game. They are also a more versatile team than the Lakers with more different ways to play.

The Lakers need a secondary creator which they don't currently have. It's all Lebron all the time which makes the offense too predictable in the clutch especially compared to the clippers where George, Kawhi, or Lou Will can all handle the ball and set something quality up for themselves or for the rest of the team. They try to put in Rondo to lighten the load or be the creator when Lebron is on the bench, but its almost always a disaster on both ends when Rondo is out there running the show. There is a lot of talk about Collison coming back and I'm not sure how much of a solution that is but I know it can't be any worse than what Rondo is able to give.

If I was betting my life on a series, I'm betting on the clippers over the lakers unless the Lakers can somehow change some things. And the two games between the two teams so far this season has been exactly what I expect. Both teams have treated those games like playoffs games and when it mattered the clippers in both dominated and took control of the game when they wanted.

The biggest issue is simply Kuzma. I can't emphasize how awful he has been all season on both ends of the floor. I thought it was the ankle injury early on but I don't think that can be the excuse anymore. It's so weird. He was so much better in prior seasons. It's baffling. He could put the ball on the floor and make plays. This season he looks utterly lost out there. If Kuzma doesn't bring his level up to at least where it was last season, there is no way they can beat the clippers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Himu on February 07, 2020, 02:23:12 PM
The little man squad. :fbm

I really liked the Rockets and Lakers game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 07, 2020, 06:30:09 PM
I can't believe they sold Andre for not even a first round pick. A second round pick. In 2023.

That said, Love is a much better fit next to him than Griffin offensively. Especially since the team never went back to Andre in the high post while Griffin was out. It seems to make no sense but Andre's so fast it works. And since Love likes to hang out at the three point line without the ball it won't cramp as much as Griffin who had to have the ball for him to work. Smart deal for the Cavaliers, especially since they can now trade Tristan without any worries as I can't see a situation arising where Andre doesn't opt in for his $29 million.

I do love Atlanta and Cleveland, with a bit of help from Memphis, acquiring what feels like half the leagues viable centers to tank with though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on February 07, 2020, 06:44:42 PM
i think i get it now morey, what's the point of even having rim protection if they're going to call everything in the post anyways?

the rockets really impressed me last night. there is always an easy drive to the basket for harden and especially westbrook with how much they spaced the floor when playing small and either its an easy basket or they kick it out for an open three. the defense was especially impressive out in the perimeter in transition largely thanks to covington but what impressed me the most was how easy deflections and steals came, especially late in the 4th when they doubled davis or whoever tried to exploit the mismatch that will always be there in the post. this system really brought out the best in harden and westbrook's defensive abilities

and looking at the roster, they still have some 2nd year center and a nearly 7 foot pf they acquired from a trade. this is pivotal because i don't think they manage this load without these two so i'm assuming that while they'll mostly use the small ball lineup for every game moving forward, they will employ those two nobodies more often than not to help manage the load. and fuck it, sign larry sander while you're at it? i dunno, if they can stay healthy up until the playoffs, they have a real shot.

i still want either houston or the bucks to win it  :trumps
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Himu on February 08, 2020, 04:43:53 PM
For someone that hasn't paid much attention to NBA in the past decade, what should I know about today's game to help me enjoy it more?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on February 08, 2020, 04:50:02 PM
just watch the game?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Himu on February 08, 2020, 04:52:58 PM
True. Sorry for the dumb question.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 08, 2020, 10:21:09 PM
Quote from: Cindi Mayweather on February 08, 2020, 04:43:53 PM
For someone that hasn't paid much attention to NBA in the past decade, what should I know about today's game to help me enjoy it more?
The league has introduced so much ball movement and inherent spacing that one team is challenging the conventional wisdom by basing their offense around isolating their best player on the perimeter and letting him take stepback threes fifteen times a game.

Posting up is now one of the least efficient ways to start a possession.

Positions literally mean nothing, two of the best teams in the East roll out a point center who defends forwards most of the time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 08, 2020, 10:26:48 PM
Your local team uses 2K online exploits as its primary strategy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on February 08, 2020, 11:55:52 PM
https://twitter.com/PrinceMarcus_27/status/1226342885542547456

 :drool
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Himu on February 09, 2020, 12:26:26 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 08, 2020, 10:21:09 PM
Quote from: Cindi Mayweather on February 08, 2020, 04:43:53 PM
For someone that hasn't paid much attention to NBA in the past decade, what should I know about today's game to help me enjoy it more?
The league has introduced so much ball movement and inherent spacing that one team is challenging the conventional wisdom by basing their offense around isolating their best player on the perimeter and letting him take stepback threes fifteen times a game.

Posting up is now one of the least efficient ways to start a possession.

Positions literally mean nothing, two of the best teams in the East roll out a point center who defends forwards most of the time.

I'm aware of all of this. I've semi-followed the NBA. It was my main sport growing up so it's hard to impossible to completely tune it out. So I'm aware of the GSW and their rise, the rise of the three pointer as an offensive tactic, the loss of the big man and the center, the fluidity of the positions.

That doesn't translate to enjoying it more though. Don't get me wrong, as basketball is basketball. So I still like it and enjoy watching games.

But it's still a big transition for me especially considering my favorite position has always been the center. Hakeem is my favorite player and I always mimicked his post moves growing up. I get really frustrated seeing no one under the basket to catch a rebound until the final second when a shot is made just in case. At the same time, fluidity makes for fun ball to watch too. It's not worse - or even better -  it's just different basketball than what I'm used to and it exacerbates many issues I already had with modern NBA basketball, as someone that grew up watching 90's era Rockets and Spurs.

I think if I keep watching like I have been I'll get used to it. 

As for the Rockets, I'm starting to research the new players. I'm familiar with Harden and little else. I have found myself really enjoying Westbrook's play and how the team acts on the court with him on it compared to Harden. They tend to play more defensively is my observation? Could be wrong. Other than that, I know jack about the current roster. I know we've had every player under the sun on our team this past decade though: Lin, D Howard, Melo. But I don't know anything about their stories and that's usually a big hook.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Himu on February 09, 2020, 12:31:49 AM
Anyways, I watched Kobe's Dear Basketball after his death and it really struck an emotional cord with me. I loved basketball growing up. It was the sport I grew up with (besides some baseball) and watching the short film made me miss it. So, because there's no other sports on besides some Champions League, I decided to give NBA a watch after about a decade and a half away as a serious fan. I've watched games now and then, mostly Finals games, as I worked at the airport and they were hard to ignore.

With MLB season starting officially in April it seemed like a good time to pick NBA back up.

Despite some criticisms I like what I've seen of today's game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 09, 2020, 01:14:24 AM
You're entering relatively fresh with a semi-fresh Rockets team themselves. Harden and P.J. Tucker are the only rotation guys left from the team that won 65 games and came up one game short of the Finals two seasons ago. They just made another huge trade. They're still figuring out Westbrook. So on and so on.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on February 09, 2020, 09:23:26 PM
smallball rocket's weren't supposed to matchup with the either lakers or jazz

and bog just hit that 3 as i typed that  :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on February 09, 2020, 10:54:31 PM
Laker's gonna talk to Dion Waiters now that Collison is staying retired.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 10, 2020, 01:33:00 AM
Waiters is a fool but at this point, you've got nothing to lose if you feel you are that close to a title. Although he doesn't fix the issue of needing a secondary creator.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 10, 2020, 03:26:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lToSg6NNRI
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 12, 2020, 03:53:32 AM
I was pretty high on Zion but he's doing better than I thought especially after missing so much time. Pelicans young core looks great early enough to where I both do and don't wish they had traded Jrue for more 23 and under parts.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Akala on February 12, 2020, 11:52:36 AM
watching the game last night they looked good even without Ingram. I don't want them to overplay Zion but that's more paranoia than anything.

kinda with you on trading Jrue, although without him Dame is not held to so few and they don't get back in. I would think having good games against good teams go a long way in advancing younger players' games versus struggling from in a hole but what do I know. Pels seem to have pretty good chemistry/culture in place at least.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: curly on February 12, 2020, 05:01:40 PM
https://twitter.com/NBAonTNT/status/1227623395757563904

High chance this is intentionally bad but I'm still mad
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 12, 2020, 10:05:30 PM
Tirstan Thompson hit back to back threes on his way to 3/3, and Andre was loving it, glad he's happy, *sniff*

Andre also had 15 rebounds in only 22 minutes
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 12, 2020, 11:37:11 PM
https://twitter.com/DimeUPROXX/status/1227800133221392385
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Himu on February 13, 2020, 12:33:49 AM
Lakers vs Nuggets is a ridiculously fun, competitive match up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 13, 2020, 12:52:40 AM
Lakers Nuggets basically played a playoff game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Himu on February 13, 2020, 01:20:35 AM
So much hustle in that game :hyper
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 13, 2020, 09:17:57 AM
Doncic is back!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwZYlN0YViw
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on February 13, 2020, 10:15:46 PM
Paul George cannot seem to stay healthy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 14, 2020, 01:10:47 AM
https://twitter.com/ComplexSports/status/1228141993479622656
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 14, 2020, 11:57:32 PM
https://twitter.com/KDShepp85/status/1228490687894687744

https://twitter.com/cjzero/status/1228483949787308032

https://twitter.com/espn/status/1228495372731011072
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 15, 2020, 12:03:25 AM
https://twitter.com/espn/status/1228516183122567169
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 16, 2020, 01:45:25 AM
https://twitter.com/RealSkipBayless/status/1228873695793336320

 :klob
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on February 16, 2020, 02:13:27 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/DNFxF4T.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on February 16, 2020, 05:47:46 PM
https://twitter.com/JohnnyNBA/status/1229138693899931648
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on February 16, 2020, 06:09:57 PM
the shit he said about the glove was even funnier
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on February 16, 2020, 07:25:41 PM
https://streamable.com/1ekkr
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 16, 2020, 11:14:30 PM
Best 4th quarter of an all star game since I was a kid. And that's going back a long ass time. Not sure exactly why, but everybody gave a fuck in that final quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on February 16, 2020, 11:16:17 PM
for kobe  :tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on February 16, 2020, 11:27:08 PM
https://twitter.com/jadande/status/1229229282163068928

 :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on February 16, 2020, 11:33:54 PM
 :mindblown
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on February 16, 2020, 11:38:05 PM
guess lebron has that plant based diet jaw  ;)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 19, 2020, 12:19:15 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/f6cuok/charania_multiple_cavs_players_began_playing/

lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 19, 2020, 12:27:03 PM
Quote
Players did this to make light of a very tough situation, according to one team source.

 :mynicca
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 19, 2020, 03:10:02 PM
Why can't Cleveland just have normal bad teams? Why do they have to take it to a different level?

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 21, 2020, 08:27:19 AM
One part I liked is how it came out they had hired J.B. Bickerstaff to a multi-year deal because they feared this would happen, they just didn't think it'd be so soon. :lol

And that they hired Beilein in part to stick it to other teams who claimed to want him, even though nobody knows who was bluffing who.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 21, 2020, 07:54:49 PM
Boogie being waived.

The other Morris twin and Reggie Jackson got waived and immediately went to the Clippers. (or not: tweet was wrong about Morris, see Stoney post below :doge)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 21, 2020, 08:23:01 PM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1230985484001824768

Unfortunate for Boogie but he was just a dead roster spot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 22, 2020, 11:38:29 PM
I'm still not overly worried about them under performing when it comes to the playoffs (I'm pro Lakers at the moment so I would love it to happen but I doubt it)but the clips aren't playing their best basketball at the moment. They could end up being the 4th or 5th seed if they don't get it together.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 23, 2020, 03:31:52 PM
https://twitter.com/NicoleGriff1011/status/1230714167855738882
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 23, 2020, 11:18:31 PM
Lakers Celtics game was quite good. Tatum has become pretty scary.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on February 24, 2020, 01:15:22 AM
https://twitter.com/mcten/status/1231661305544638464
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 24, 2020, 03:46:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShDVKJJ9Coc
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on February 25, 2020, 01:59:28 AM
 :mjcry :mjcry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2020, 02:16:14 AM
https://twitter.com/bluewirepods/status/1232499700965629952
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Rman on February 26, 2020, 10:32:39 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 23, 2020, 11:18:31 PM
Lakers Celtics game was quite good. Tatum has become pretty scary.
Lakers passed on him for Lonzo Ball. smh.  Daddy Ball really did a huge sell job.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 29, 2020, 04:46:46 AM
Rui all like "nope"

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ER6T168WkAYMfKj.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on March 01, 2020, 12:38:41 AM
Quote from: Rman on February 26, 2020, 10:32:39 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 23, 2020, 11:18:31 PM
Lakers Celtics game was quite good. Tatum has become pretty scary.
Lakers passed on him for Lonzo Ball. smh.  Daddy Ball really did a huge sell job.

Lakers would've traded him for Anthony Davis anyhow.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on March 01, 2020, 04:17:19 PM
https://twitter.com/MexikoPluggSSR/status/1234220384137994243

https://twitter.com/MexikoPluggSSR/status/1234220384137994243
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Tripon on March 02, 2020, 12:13:36 AM
https://twitter.com/kevinarnovitz/status/1234298478081130497
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on March 02, 2020, 01:58:10 AM
did you guys watch zion son the entire laker frontcourt tonight? they flashed some meaningless stat about teenagers against the lakers, which means that apparently he hasnt even turned 20 yet :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on March 02, 2020, 03:00:47 AM
youre right im sorry. a 19 year old only smacked up the mouth of sauron, gothmog, and that big-ass troll ::)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 02, 2020, 10:59:27 PM
https://twitter.com/StephNoh/status/1234658209325035520
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: BisMarckie on March 03, 2020, 05:27:04 AM
I used to watch around 50 Bulls games a year, haven’t watched a single one this season. :stahp
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 03, 2020, 10:57:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdAjcf0Bh2I
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on March 04, 2020, 12:47:06 AM
Nice 5 game winning streak for the Clips heading into Houston.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2020, 10:32:49 AM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28831398/tim-duncan-filling-gregg-popovich-gets-first-win-acting-head-coach
Quote
Tim Duncan got his first victory as an acting head coach Tuesday when he filled in for Gregg Popovich for the San Antonio Spurs' 104-103 victory over the Charlotte Hornets.

Popovich missed the game while dealing with "personal business," according to the team. He is expected to return to the bench for Friday's game against the Brooklyn Nets.

The team would not say if Popovich made the trip to Charlotte.

"It's night and day to be in the big-boy chair," Duncan said. "But truth be told, I wasn't in the big-boy chair. We've got [Spurs assistants] Becky [Hammon] and Will [Hardy] and Mitch [Johnson]. Mitch prepped the game for us, Becky and Will were making all the calls, and I was the only one just standing there screaming at people -- nonsensical stuff.

"So we did it coach by committee, and it could've been any one of us up there and we would've done exactly the same stuff."

Asked if being a head coach is something he wants to pursue down the road, Duncan said, "Nope. Pop is going to be back, and I will be happy to hand it right over to him."
Bigger story for me is Tim Duncan's hair, wtf poor guy is going through a midlife crisis.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Akala on March 04, 2020, 10:50:00 AM
bad loss for pels last night.  :yuck

I figured would be a blowout as were up by like 10 early, caught last 2 mins.  :-\
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 04, 2020, 12:44:02 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 04, 2020, 10:32:49 AM

Bigger story for me is Tim Duncan's hair, wtf poor guy is going through a midlife crisis.

Wait, that wasn't Coolio?

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 05, 2020, 07:03:00 PM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1235700684638601216
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 07, 2020, 09:38:02 AM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28856190/nets-coach-kenny-atkinson-mutually-agree-part-ways

wow. weird
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 08, 2020, 12:53:30 AM
I'm going to assume he had something in his contract, especially if he made the playoffs again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Akala on March 08, 2020, 06:12:19 PM
Lakes looking good at right time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 08, 2020, 10:17:09 PM
Yeah, their best stretch of the season by far.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 09, 2020, 06:03:08 AM
Thunder passed the Rockets.

 :obama
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 10, 2020, 04:01:22 PM
Charles Barkley on Draymond Green: "He's the least famous person in the boy band, and he thinks he's a star. And he's not."

"I think [Draymond is] a good player and a great guy. I like messing with him but he's got the perfect face for radio!" Barkley added, "He don't have a TV face! He could do the job but he doesn't have a face for TV."


    :dead  Chuck still bringing the heat.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on March 11, 2020, 12:36:46 AM
Clippers taking some anger out on the Warriors tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 11, 2020, 02:34:17 PM
https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1237796265577943040
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 11, 2020, 02:59:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciKdF97JWpU


Whole interview. Whatever you think about Jimmy, he is a good interview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrGv50kR7A4
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 11, 2020, 09:43:47 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1237914166285008896
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 11, 2020, 09:47:30 PM
Billionaires throwing away money? We really are all gonna die.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: james on March 11, 2020, 09:49:30 PM
A bunch of Biden voters got what they deserve
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 11, 2020, 09:50:42 PM
Gobert DPOY confirmed.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: BisMarckie on March 11, 2020, 09:51:25 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 11, 2020, 09:47:30 PM
Billionaires throwing away money? We really are all gonna die.

At least I have my history of shitposts for the Aliens to see when they discover this barren planet 2000 years from now :smug
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Nuitangg on March 11, 2020, 09:53:38 PM
So that Gobert microphone incident wth  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 11, 2020, 09:55:15 PM
Quote from: Nuitangg on March 11, 2020, 09:53:38 PM
So that Gobert microphone incident wth  :lol

He's not a smart man.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on March 11, 2020, 10:06:11 PM
gobert just blocked the entire nba season
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Akala on March 11, 2020, 10:22:15 PM
BOBAN FOR THE PEOPLE
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on March 11, 2020, 10:26:02 PM
the last nba game for the season is going to be between the pelicans and the kings, fitting knowing zion will be in the final game of every season for the foreseeable future  :rollsafe
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Akala on March 11, 2020, 10:41:11 PM
 :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on March 11, 2020, 10:42:19 PM
scratch that

however, the wizards were never knocked out of playoff contention :trumps
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: BisMarckie on March 11, 2020, 10:46:27 PM
NBA cancelling the season in a year where the Bulls were going to win it all from the #8 seed. Thanks Corona-chan  :maf
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on March 11, 2020, 10:51:55 PM
lol at the idea that the lakers ended their season with a loss to the nets
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 11, 2020, 10:54:26 PM
This is a secret attempt to test 70 game season. :karen
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on March 11, 2020, 10:55:43 PM
everything suddenly makes sense, this is china's revenge against morey and the nba
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 11, 2020, 11:38:42 PM
https://twitter.com/thecomeback/status/1237917526954254336
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on March 11, 2020, 11:43:51 PM
https://twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1237926439099543552
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Tripon on March 12, 2020, 12:08:46 AM
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1237951393081647109
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on March 12, 2020, 02:56:04 AM
I remember Vince Carter making a shot to beat the Wizards in a regular season game, in the Gilbert Arenas era.

It was when they had that new ball that everyone hated (Steve Nash said it made his hands bleed and they changed back), and he heaves up a buzzer beater three pointer from the top of the arc. The ball hit right where the rim connects to the backboard (which always produces a miss and a long rebound) and then the ball just died and slumped down into the net.

Still miffed just thinking about it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Himu on March 12, 2020, 02:57:13 AM
VC :fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Nuitangg on March 12, 2020, 10:54:24 AM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1238114778167599110

 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 12, 2020, 11:21:31 AM
The younger players need to be careful about catching this and giving it to Vince Carter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on March 12, 2020, 02:02:59 PM
you are willing to excuse the fact that he touched and held the ball and deliberately took charges and set screens? ok, lol on the last one, dude can't pnr for shit  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 12, 2020, 02:15:28 PM
This dude may have single-handedly exposed the entire league to covid. :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on March 12, 2020, 02:16:51 PM
toss him over the wall!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Tripon on March 14, 2020, 10:08:54 PM
https://twitter.com/latimessports/status/1239009677419167749
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2020, 10:11:30 PM
but he's the franchise now :brazilcry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 16, 2020, 12:07:54 AM
Quote
Against the backdrop of a global pandemic, NBA owners and executives are bracing for the possibility of mid-to-late June as a best-case scenario for the league's return, sources told ESPN on Sunday.

Fears exist of a season completely lost, especially based on what some experts see as the slow response of the United States to flatten the curve of the coronavirus and make testing available on a widespread basis. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued a recommendation on Sunday night that no events or gatherings should include more than 50 people for the next eight weeks.

The league office has given teams no guidance yet on a timeline for a resumption of play, but organizations themselves are preparing for the possibility of a long hiatus based upon the facts surrounding the coronavirus outbreak.

The NBA moved from the idea of games without fans in the arenas to suspending the season indefinitely within minutes of Utah Jazz center Rudy Gobert testing positive for the coronavirus on Wednesday.

"Our world has changed since Wednesday's [board of governors] call," one team president told ESPN. "The reality isn't lost on anyone right now.

NBA owners are awaiting the league's financial projections on lost revenues, which are expected to be shared with them soon, sources said. J.B. Lockhart, the NBA's chief financial officer, has been leading the effort to deliver owners what all expect to be challenging financial projections on a short-term future that is thick with uncertainty and volatility.

The NBA likely will provide projections on three primary scenarios: the financial costs of shutting down the season, restarting with no fans in the arena, or playing playoff games with fans. Those losses will be reflected in next season's salary cap and the players' share of basketball-related income.

For now, there's a working plan that games would return without fans, and teams have been told to search out arena dates well into August for the playoffs, sources said. Teams have been directed to give the league office potential dates at smaller nearby game venues, including team practice facilities, that could spare the use of empty, cavernous arenas and possibly provide backdrops to unique television viewing lines.

Organizations must evaluate the short- and long-term implications of this season's stoppage, including future sponsorships and ticket renewals. Many owners are feeling the sting of not only the loss of NBA games, but the loss of concert dates and other events in darkened arenas.

Through it all, NBA commissioner Adam Silver is encouraging his league to be open to experimental ideas in every area -- scheduling format, venues, television -- on how to respond to an unprecedented crisis.

While there is growing concern about what's coming and the health of American society, there remains some optimism that the season can be resumed. Mostly, there is uncertainty because no one -- not owners, not Silver -- can be certain based on the unfolding of the coronavirus impact and how dramatically the escalation of the crisis will impact the league's ability to resume.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28908729/sources-owners-execs-bracing-mid-late-june-best-case-scenario-nba-return
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on March 16, 2020, 01:57:10 AM
If the NBA isn't back until June, I wonder what that means for baseball and hockey? Are these sports all going to have to run mini camps to get people back into shape? Spring training was almost over, so what happens to pitchers arms, do they have to stretch them back out again?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 16, 2020, 02:24:04 AM
I mean despite all their plans, that's all they are. It's pretty much impossible to predict how things will look in a few months.

Not having NBA has fucked up my evening ritual which generally involved watching Lakers game and then going to bed. Now I don't know what to do with myself at night.

 :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on March 16, 2020, 02:29:10 AM
i'd plan workouts around nba games  :fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on March 16, 2020, 02:54:08 AM
just picked up durant from the waivers :smug
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 16, 2020, 08:05:52 AM
This shutdown has made me realize how much of my day is made up of consuming content based around sports. From checking scores, reading articles, to listening to podcasts, to watching highlights, etc.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 16, 2020, 11:01:43 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 16, 2020, 08:05:52 AM
This shutdown has made me realize how much of my day is made up of consuming content based around sports. From checking scores, reading articles, to listening to podcasts, to watching highlights, etc.

lol very true. Not visiting nba reddit or Lakers reddit or trolling for basketball entertainment has freed up an embarrassing amount of time.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2020, 03:55:00 PM
One idea I would consider, if they look like they could get fans back in the buildings around May, is simply doing a tournament, with the "full playoffs" format only for say, the Semi-Finals to Finals at most. Set the seeds based on where the season ended. Lock in the top six seeds, and then let more teams into the tournament.

Not let every team in, but say down to the 12th seed in each conference, do that one game elimination tournament idea to get the 7 and 8 seeds, first round could be a best of three, then maybe a best of five Second Round, then back to seven games for the Conference and NBA Finals. Ending only a couple weeks beyond where they would normally.

The real scheduling problem that drags out the playoffs is during the first and second rounds anyway, temporarily cutting those down to best of 3 and best of 5 lets you do them in two weeks instead of a month. Even cutting just the first round down to a best of five potentially saves you a week.

The main reason I'd do an expanded "play-in" round is to get some games back for the lower/bubble teams but not really threaten the contenders too much. If they really can't get back by June, then I'd start thinking about not only a shortened first two rounds but also cutting out the conference seedings, seed by record only.

Main thing to preserve imo is the Conference Finals and Finals at seven games. Even if you have to just say Bucks and Raptors and Lakers and Clippers, sorry everybody else.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 16, 2020, 05:28:44 PM
I'm down for whatever. My initial thought was of course the regular season is gone and just do the playoffs but as the scale and scope of the problem progressed last week, that scenario seems naively optimistic.

I really have no idea what will happen. My only real belief is in the greed of the owners and the greed of capitalism so I tend to bet on them not leaving money on the table once a few weeks pass. But it depends on how the public is feeling. This one of those rare cases where sentiment of the public will also take part in any decision. If the death toll reaches a certain level, the public's appetite for playoff basketball won't be there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 16, 2020, 05:59:46 PM
https://twitter.com/DeronWilliams/status/1239324681389379590
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on March 16, 2020, 11:36:31 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 16, 2020, 03:55:00 PM
One idea I would consider, if they look like they could get fans back in the buildings around May, is simply doing a tournament, with the "full playoffs" format only for say, the Semi-Finals to Finals at most. Set the seeds based on where the season ended. Lock in the top six seeds, and then let more teams into the tournament.

Not let every team in, but say down to the 12th seed in each conference, do that one game elimination tournament idea to get the 7 and 8 seeds, first round could be a best of three, then maybe a best of five Second Round, then back to seven games for the Conference and NBA Finals. Ending only a couple weeks beyond where they would normally.

The real scheduling problem that drags out the playoffs is during the first and second rounds anyway, temporarily cutting those down to best of 3 and best of 5 lets you do them in two weeks instead of a month. Even cutting just the first round down to a best of five potentially saves you a week.

The main reason I'd do an expanded "play-in" round is to get some games back for the lower/bubble teams but not really threaten the contenders too much. If they really can't get back by June, then I'd start thinking about not only a shortened first two rounds but also cutting out the conference seedings, seed by record only.

Main thing to preserve imo is the Conference Finals and Finals at seven games. Even if you have to just say Bucks and Raptors and Lakers and Clippers, sorry everybody else.

Yahoo threw out a bunch of similar ideas: https://sports.yahoo.com/in-wake-of-coronavirus-hiatus-nba-may-have-to-consider-some-radical-changes-174123328.html
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 17, 2020, 09:49:28 PM
I blame the Warriors medical staff.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Tripon on March 18, 2020, 02:10:42 PM
https://twitter.com/mcten/status/1240090685090349056

NBA season is fucked.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Tripon on March 18, 2020, 03:48:07 PM
https://twitter.com/ArashMarkazi/status/1240360487193153536
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Tripon on March 19, 2020, 07:29:01 PM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1240779385201967105
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 19, 2020, 08:35:29 PM
Quote from: Stro on March 19, 2020, 07:51:44 PM
Amazing how many rich people in any walk of life are able to get tests for a cough but normal people are near death and told to just go home because there aren't tests everywhere else in the country


Fixed
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Tripon on March 24, 2020, 09:22:29 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1242482209237471232
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1242484207659765761
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1242500237790453765
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1242510903418990596
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1242511684104785921

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 24, 2020, 11:58:55 PM
https://twitter.com/JoelEmbiid/status/1242521349308010501
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 25, 2020, 12:44:39 AM
"The Process" being Step 1: Leak plans on twitter, Step 2: Backtrack as soon as you start to feel any heat, Step 3: Be proud to have done the right thing!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on March 25, 2020, 12:45:09 AM
(https://preview.redd.it/1rv6pgg38go41.jpg?width=633&auto=webp&s=dde7dc04a86fec03aeb4ce4814c1291c59ceee98)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 25, 2020, 03:50:54 AM
sucks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kwI3Pl85Vc&feature=youtu.be

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1242683361149235200
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on March 26, 2020, 09:20:28 PM
https://twitter.com/JesseGladsaget/status/1243295799292944389

 :hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on March 27, 2020, 02:37:51 PM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28962005/what-nba-learn-china-attempt-restart-basketball-coronavirus-pandemic
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 27, 2020, 07:03:13 PM
I've been watching old NBA playoffs games before bed on youtube to fix my basketball jones so I might as well post about it here since I'm bored. They are fairly quick to get through once you bypass the halftime show and commercials.

Last one I watched was Game 1 of the 86 Finals Rockets versus Celtics. Might have watched this one live as a kid before I really understood how basketball was played. I'll divide my thoughts into general basketball stuff and stuff specific to this game.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhZ3iDch9GI



General

One made three pointer the entire game. The announcers talk about how dangerous Larry Bird is from 3 and he doesn't take one the entire game. Dennis Johnson hit the only made one of the game and I'm pretty sure 5 or less were attempted by both teams the entire game.Just a different era.

The lane and paint are so clogged and everybody helps on defense since everybody is so close together. There is no such thing as corner 3 spacers. Obviously this is how basketball has been played most since its inception until the late 90's and on but its still so different from current basketball that it takes you awhile to adjust.

So much post up play. So much. I miss it.

Mitchel Wiggins of the Rockets (who eventually got booted out of the league for drugs) is Andrew Wiggins father. I never made that connection before until this game.

Specific

It was a close game until late in the 3rd quarter when foul trouble let the Celtics over-run the Rockets. I didn't realize Olajuwon was this good, this early in his career. For some reason in my mind's eye I remembered it taking longer. But he's all around great and the probably the best player on the floor arguably. He just doesn't have the help Bird does.

Hakeem scored 25 points in the first half alone. The Celtics couldn't do anything with him. He had to because Ralph Sampson picked up three fouls in the first quarter and then sat the rest of the half. Terrible Terrible game for Sampson even when he came back in the second half. 38 minutes.  8 points. 4 of 12 from the field.

The Celtics Big Three Frontline were dominant as expected. McHale, Parish, and Bird were just way too much for the rockets. Bird finished 2 rebounds short of a triple double and Dennis Johnson was pretty close to one himself.  Like I mentioned the game was close up until midway in the third quarter when Olajuwon picked up his 5th foul and had to take a long rest. The Celtics blew them out during this stretch and the game was never close the rest of the way. One final observation. It's funny watching Larry Bird play defense. He is never close to his man. He is always 5 feet off of him playing help defense somewhere else. Because the 3 pointer isn't emphasized, and nobody is in the corner, this behavior is rarely punished.

Anyway that's it for that one. I won't do that for every game. But maybe for the ones I find especially interesting in some way.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on March 27, 2020, 09:29:18 PM
https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198605260BOS.html

This shows 2 made 3s combined on 6 attempts, which is still nutso. That would be a normal 2 minutes worth of shots for James Harden.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 27, 2020, 09:37:36 PM
Quote from: bluemax on March 27, 2020, 09:29:18 PM
https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198605260BOS.html

This shows 2 made 3s combined on 6 attempts, which is still nutso. That would be a normal 2 minutes worth of shots for James Harden.

Yeah I didn't check the stats on that one. I just went from what I remembered. But yeah there were very few. And the ones that could have been, you would often see players take a step in from the 3 point line as nobody knew back then, that was the worst percentage shot you can take.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 27, 2020, 10:48:53 PM
I'd always heard of Bird as a bad defender, even from worshipers like Bill Simmons, and he's pretty bad man-to-man against anyone athletic, but the dude was a savant help-wise as much as he is on offense at just knowing where everybody is. Just watching the vid Stoney posted he's constantly popping up out of nowhere at the worst possible time for the Rockets to help, poke away at the ball or add an extra contest to a shot. Or even just to secure a board. Since there's no danger of a team rotating the ball around the arc to the open three pointer he can dominate whole stretches without shooting just from doing this and from his passing.

McHale's similarly not great athletically but is super smart, doesn't fall for almost anything and has great timing. So he's not killing their defense either despite his obvious flaws.

I watched some old games or parts of them on YouTube a while back and all the bad long twos definitely stood out. And it's not like good shooters taking them it's almost everybody. I remember Kevin Duckworth out there jacking up bricks on multiple possessions as Clyde looks like he's about to strangle the guy. Watched a Denver-Lakers game where everybody spent most of the first two quarters just running back and forth taking semi-open 18-20 footers. Then finally Magic starts curating inside to Kareem and Worthy and they go on like a 14-0 run the Nuggets never recover from.

It's also funny when you come across a game where a dude is taking a bunch of triples and making them, like Michael Adams was an early three point bomber I found quite a few games of, and nobody seems to know what to do about it. Dude's hit like five threes in an era when teams don't hit that many and they're still guarding him for the drive or giving no effort to watch him closely as he jogs around a screen. Even he stopped taking the three and started going inside though as the game was getting towards the end like it was uncouth to be killing whoever from out there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 04, 2020, 12:26:26 AM
season may be about to be pronounced formally DOA but news for my man Bis:
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28991031/bulls-seeking-top-executive-full-authority-basketball-decisions
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The Chicago Bulls have embarked on a formal search process to hire a new top executive with full authority on basketball decisions, sources told ESPN.

Among the Bulls' initial plans will be to seek permission to interview Denver Nuggets general manager Arturas Karnisovas and Toronto GM Bobby Webster, among other candidates, sources told ESPN.

Chicago ownership has discussed the plan with executive VP of basketball operations John Paxson and GM Gar Forman, sources said. Paxson is likely to continue in an advisory role with the franchise; there are expected to be more ownership conversations with Forman about his future, too, sources said.

The Bulls plan to talk with several candidates to lead the franchise and expect to have new leadership well before the league resumes play following the NBA's shutdown because of the coronavirus pandemic.

Interviews will start next week and will be conducted electronically, sources said.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 13, 2020, 10:40:51 PM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29030877/mother-timberwolves-star-karl-anthony-towns-dies-due-complications-coronavirus


sucks. Gonna root for KAT from here on out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: TEEEPO on April 25, 2020, 06:54:42 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1254169460761640960
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 25, 2020, 07:39:48 PM
Atlanta Hawks are going to win the championship.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Season begins October 22nd)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 25, 2020, 07:47:03 PM
Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on October 19, 2019, 12:34:41 PM
48 wins, tops
so close to being technically right
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Tripon on April 26, 2020, 01:27:10 PM
Do you think the NBA just moves straight to playoffs format?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Pissy F Benny on April 26, 2020, 01:29:04 PM
they'll surely need to make sure everyone has played the same amount of games?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2020, 07:02:14 PM
Quote from: Tripon on April 26, 2020, 01:27:10 PM
Do you think the NBA just moves straight to playoffs format?

At minimum they would probably play a few games to warm everybody up instead of just jumping straight to the playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 26, 2020, 09:22:04 PM
We watching The Last Dance or nah?

Detroit time  :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2020, 10:25:25 PM
Been busy but I'm gonna try to catch a few episodes tonight from the beginning.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Akala on April 26, 2020, 11:52:02 PM
It's kinda wild. I grew up with MJ but never really got into basketball (watching more than later playoffs/finals) until the past ten years or so? He was so omnipresent this is still super nostalgic.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 02, 2020, 04:52:58 PM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29124679/nba-postpones-draft-lottery-draft-combine
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As ownership support grows for the idea, commissioner Adam Silver and the NBA board of governors continued discussions Friday about delaying the start of the 2020-21 season until December, sources told ESPN.

Amid the coronavirus pandemic, the NBA's thinking and planning has progressed on the idea independent of whether the 2019-20 season resumes and is completed, sources said.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on May 07, 2020, 03:36:05 PM
https://twitter.com/Giannis_An34/status/1258479282042667009

(https://i.imgur.com/5ukC2K9.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 09, 2020, 02:32:39 AM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1258901103757885442
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: El Babua on May 09, 2020, 02:35:53 AM
Quote from: filler on May 07, 2020, 03:36:05 PM
https://twitter.com/Giannis_An34/status/1258479282042667009

[img]https://i.imgur.com/5ukC2K9.png[img]

He coming to Miami yah boys
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 14, 2020, 02:12:53 PM
I guess because I've been consuming so much 90's Bulls game on youtube, I got this one in my recommended.

It made me realize I've never watched any pre-merger NBA ball before. Outside of those grainy, black and white clips they show from time to time where everyone looks ridiculously unathletic and slow.

I'm actually surprised how well this game compares to modern ball. It's much more fluid and athletic than I would've suspected. I also love how fast foul shots take, they don't sit there and bounce the ball 10 times before each shot. Jerry West in particular is so damned smooth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnu5vMfPtbw
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 14, 2020, 07:00:03 PM
Adam Silver is gonna set up Ball Island
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 15, 2020, 03:33:39 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2020, 10:25:25 PM
Been busy but I'm gonna try to catch a few episodes tonight from the beginning.

Watched all the episodes done so far. It's good. I mean its probably better for younger people and not old fucks who know 90% of this already but that is probably most of the audience at this point. Worth watching. My fear going in is that it would be a little too ass-kissey toward Jordan and it probably is a little bit, but its fine. There are always other extra perspectives you can go to to add some insight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 20, 2020, 11:25:20 PM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29195428/horace-grant-says-michael-jordan-lied-last-dance-calls-snitch
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"Lie, lie, lie. ... If MJ had a grudge with me, let's settle this like men," Grant said during the interview. "Let's talk about it. Or we can settle it another way. But yet and still, he goes out and puts this lie out that I was the source behind [the book]. Sam and I have always been great friends. We're still great friends. But the sanctity of that locker room, I would never put anything personal out there. The mere fact that Sam Smith was an investigative reporter. That he had to have two sources, two, to write a book, I guess. Why would MJ just point me out?

"It's only a grudge, man. I'm telling you, it was only a grudge. And I think he proved that during this so-called documentary. When if you say something about him, he's going to cut you off, he's going to try to destroy your character."

"Charles Barkley, they've been friends for over 20, 30 years," Grant said. "And he said something about Michael's management with the Charlotte Bobcats or the Charlotte Hornets, and then they haven't spoken since then. And my point is, he said that I was the snitch, but yet and still after 35 years he brings up his rookie year going into one of his teammates' rooms and seeing coke and weed and women. My point is: Why the hell did he want to bring that up? What's that got to do with anything? I mean, if you want to call somebody a snitch, that's a damn snitch right there."
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 27, 2020, 08:21:25 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1265730662301986816
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2020, 02:58:19 AM
Quote
As the NBA models a 22-team format for the season's proposed resumption beginning July 31 in Orlando, Florida, a timeline shared with teams as a last possible date for a Finals Game 7 lands on Oct. 12, sources told ESPN.

https://www.reddit.com/r/kotor/comments/ed8zxn/kotor_1_and_2_mod_builds_guaranteed_compatibility/
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 03, 2020, 03:02:11 AM
I thought they would speed up the schedule in places since no travel.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on June 03, 2020, 03:07:27 AM
it's going to be a big improvement, but people don't like change. so they'll go back to regular next season anyway  :corona_mj
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Akala on June 03, 2020, 12:10:50 PM
we have a chance.  :awesome
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Tripon on June 03, 2020, 12:15:33 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1268205549583241218
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 03, 2020, 01:19:32 PM
Interesting concept of trying to bake in the home court advantage.

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And so in a Hail Mary, some teams are trying to invent a way to exchange the home-court advantage they lost for an alternative edge in Orlando.

Executives from the teams that would host a first-round series in the playoffs told ESPN that they had internal discussions within their own front offices about reviving their home-court advantage in some fashion, and that some have already shared ideas with other teams in the same situation, with the hopes of having an ally when making an appeal to the league.

Yes, some of the very teams that could soon be trying to eliminate one another in the postseason have been recently working together in a shared pursuit to regain the advantage they would have enjoyed at home.

Strange times make for strange bedfellows.

Some of the scenarios discussed, sources told ESPN, include:

The higher-seeded team being awarded the first possession of the second, third and fourth quarters, following the traditional jump ball to begin the game.

The higher-seeded team being allowed to designate one player to be able to be whistled for seven fouls instead of six before fouling out.

The higher-seeded team receiving an extra coach's challenge.

The higher-seeded teams being able to transport their actual hardwood home court from their arenas to Orlando to try to preserve the feel of their home playing experience.

An off-court feature in which playoff teams, in order of seeding 1-16, receive first choice on picking which hotel they will stay at in the ESPN Wide World of Sports Complex and Disney World Resort. ESPN is owned by the Walt Disney Co.




https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29257603/nba-top-seeded-teams-mull-possible-playoff-advantages


Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on June 03, 2020, 06:07:45 PM
we got him  :gladbron
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 14, 2020, 01:16:34 AM
https://twitter.com/Nharvey36/status/1272003819661152258
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 17, 2020, 05:00:02 AM
https://twitter.com/SBondyNYDN/status/1273081962656411648
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 17, 2020, 11:20:32 AM
There are some people saying that he didn't propose that but who knows. It's gonna be a he said, she said thing.

I'm fine with whatever the players do and I do think this is a good time to pressure the NBA to do even more on social issues both within and outside the game.

That being said, I disagree that not playing is the best way to do this. I've always felt the best way to deal with these issues is to talk about these issues in a public facing way. They are public figures who get interviewed and talked to every day. I think that opportunity is more powerful than not playing. But that's just my opinion.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: bluemax on June 18, 2020, 03:08:43 AM
https://twitter.com/netw3rk/status/1273475517342035968

https://twitter.com/netw3rk/status/1273481330957774848
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 18, 2020, 03:06:14 PM
That's kinda my point. Say this stuff. Taking a knee has always struck me as ultimately inconsequential. There is no after effect of that other than the people who are gonna get outraged at such actions. Talk about how one party especially is complicit in this. Talk about the actions of individuals. Speak to the issues and the consequences. That always has more power. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on June 24, 2020, 11:52:56 PM
https://twitter.com/swishcultures_/status/1275870215713193986
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 25, 2020, 03:41:34 PM
In honor of Vince Carter's retirement, here's that time he dunked over the entire country of France.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_uZeCymShQ
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on June 25, 2020, 03:57:53 PM
That maybe the single greatest thing that’s ever happened in a basketball game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 27, 2020, 01:00:32 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbeX3HXU4AAyQAY?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2020, 01:17:32 AM
I know they said a lot of it would be televised but that's even more than I expected.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 27, 2020, 02:59:37 AM
I assumed all of it would be televised. For the games that don't have a network assigned, is there literally no way to watch them?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Tripon on June 27, 2020, 11:29:12 AM
I'm assuming local stations will still get their feed. RSNs is where a ton of these teams make their money.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 03, 2020, 09:51:48 PM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1279139650012164096
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 04, 2020, 03:09:26 PM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1279441743847526407
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on July 09, 2020, 09:11:15 PM
say what now?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on July 09, 2020, 09:25:44 PM
racist stro think d jax plays in the nba  :titus
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on July 09, 2020, 11:16:31 PM
*misquoted hitler  :ufup
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 10, 2020, 01:38:46 PM
https://brobible.com/sports/article/adrian-wojnarowski-missouri-senator-email-nba-china/


lol. Am I actually gonna have to start liking Woj now?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Mandark on July 10, 2020, 01:44:54 PM
Shams needs to tell Ted Cruz to suck his dick if he wants to keep up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on July 13, 2020, 01:22:24 PM
https://twitter.com/LegionHoops/status/1282709025512022021
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 13, 2020, 01:26:26 PM
Worstbrook got the roni. Nice bubble you got there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 13, 2020, 01:46:31 PM
Lebatard show had it right, 'the bubble' gives off the air of something fragile and weak. They need to rebrand into something assuring us of strength. The Impenetrable Dome, the Circle of Solitude, the Iron Fortress.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 13, 2020, 02:56:41 PM
The NBA Dyson Sphere sponsored by Dyson Vacuums
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on July 14, 2020, 03:55:20 PM
https://twitter.com/TaylorRooks/status/1283116551479209985


(https://i.imgur.com/vHnBKOA.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Tripon on July 15, 2020, 02:44:47 PM
https://twitter.com/OregonianSports/status/1283469416387182592
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Tripon on July 16, 2020, 01:17:19 AM
https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1283603793553371138

Being a creep in the bubble.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 16, 2020, 01:23:06 AM
at least we know it wasn't Woj :whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on July 16, 2020, 01:34:12 AM
 :shaq
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Himu on July 16, 2020, 01:35:43 AM
Quote from: Tripon on July 15, 2020, 02:44:47 PM
https://twitter.com/OregonianSports/status/1283469416387182592

God I love that Rockets jersey.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Pissy F Benny on July 16, 2020, 03:23:47 AM
:lol this nba return is an giant shitshow
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 16, 2020, 11:30:02 PM
he couldn't let Bestbrook get one over on him I guess:
https://twitter.com/HoustonRockets/status/1283931715082293249
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on July 17, 2020, 02:33:11 AM
https://twitter.com/youngthug/status/1283983694244352001

 :birdman
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on July 17, 2020, 02:50:37 AM
https://twitter.com/NoLimitAnt07/status/1284014283303481345
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Steve Contra on July 17, 2020, 11:03:00 AM
That looks like a photo from a serial killer’s apartment after they arrest him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on July 17, 2020, 07:19:31 PM
https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/status/1284174400711995394

 :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on July 18, 2020, 08:04:46 PM
https://twitter.com/FB_FilmAnalysis/status/1284639235526455296
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 22, 2020, 10:27:52 PM
https://twitter.com/Ballislife/status/1286053502645657602

https://twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1286031067812638723

https://twitter.com/espn/status/1286067388153298944

https://twitter.com/Troydan/status/1286026230622453762

 :jeb
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 23, 2020, 05:41:52 PM
Gonna be weird to watch a game tonight that actually matters in a modern context.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Akala on July 23, 2020, 07:00:30 PM
?? I thought it didn't really kick off until next week?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: team filler on July 23, 2020, 10:46:13 PM
plan the parade  :rejoice :bow :gladbron :bow2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 23, 2020, 10:50:52 PM
Quote from: Akala on July 23, 2020, 07:00:30 PM
?? I thought it didn't really kick off until next week?

It's still just scrimmages. It doesn't kick off until next week. I more meant that this is the first real basketball that is actually being played versus watching old games of the past.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: team filler on July 23, 2020, 11:04:24 PM
previously recorded  ::)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 24, 2020, 09:33:46 AM
Watched some of the games yesterday. Not too bad. I think they put in an ambient crowd noise thing which personally I could do without but whatever. As long as its not a crowd cheering or something. The players also feel like they pose a little less since there is no crowd to celebrate to.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: team filler on July 24, 2020, 08:51:42 PM
https://twitter.com/ACFresh21/status/1286807371940089858
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: benjipwns on July 24, 2020, 09:57:26 PM
He looks like a 2K generated fake assistant coach.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: benjipwns on July 27, 2020, 03:45:35 AM
Quote
The New York Knicks and Tom Thibodeau are finalizing a five-year deal to make him the franchise's next head coach, sources tell ESPN.

Knicks president Leon Rose and agent Spencer Breecker of CAA Sports were working Saturday to complete contractual terms, and a signed agreement is expected in the near future, sources said.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 30, 2020, 12:43:51 PM
I don't think my heart can survive having to rely on KCP, Dion Waiters, and JR smith for the next couple of months....


And so it begins tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 30, 2020, 02:38:52 PM
there is going to be a lot of fuckball being played with LBJ is on the bench
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 30, 2020, 07:36:18 PM
BI looking nice.

On the other side why is Mudiay still in this league?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: team filler on July 30, 2020, 07:49:07 PM
https://twitter.com/PabloTorre/status/1288979546377801729
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: team filler on July 30, 2020, 09:17:31 PM
lakers  :shaq
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 30, 2020, 09:47:24 PM
I forgot about Noah's ugly release.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 30, 2020, 10:36:00 PM
this is so fucking bizarre to watch  :lol

this virtual crowd shit  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 30, 2020, 10:36:32 PM
Lebron has been not so good tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 30, 2020, 10:49:20 PM
Decent assist count for him, but yeah, his shooting sucks tonight.  AD playing well but he needs to start passing out to the perimeter, the spacing is there for the Lakers but I haven't seen AD kick it out much
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 31, 2020, 12:11:22 AM
Good game. Not pretty but both teams cared. Lakers win with Lebron kinda having a crappy night. But then again Clips were also missing players so probably a push.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Akala on July 31, 2020, 12:16:01 AM
Sucks for pels but was a fun night. Team lake show otherwise and wow I missed games. Hopefully they can actually complete the season.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: team filler on July 31, 2020, 12:16:08 AM
https://twitter.com/KennyKing_Jr/status/1282366962358599680
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 31, 2020, 12:18:04 AM
Quote from: Akala on July 31, 2020, 12:16:01 AM
Sucks for pels but was a fun night. Team lake show otherwise and wow I missed games. Hopefully they can actually complete the season.

Having Zion barely play unfortunately killed them tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: team filler on July 31, 2020, 12:44:04 AM
https://twitter.com/LegionHoops/status/1289024491033513984
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: benjipwns on July 31, 2020, 03:46:33 AM
https://twitter.com/celtics/status/1288525831845875712

lol Hayward
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 31, 2020, 06:48:24 PM
Grizz and Blazers playing a tasty game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 02, 2020, 02:00:59 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/oklahoma-lawmaker-threatens-tax-penalties-for-thunder-if-players-kneel-during-anthem-031146336.html

 :obama
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 02, 2020, 02:11:59 PM
It’s the anti-tax, freedom of speech party, innit?

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: team filler on August 02, 2020, 03:54:32 PM
https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1289939175337332736

 :shaq
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Akala on August 02, 2020, 04:10:34 PM
Fake crowd is a bit much in this celts/blazers game.  :kobeyuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: team filler on August 02, 2020, 06:41:46 PM
https://twitter.com/Dubs408/status/1290046310985240576


 :mjcry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: team filler on August 02, 2020, 09:27:51 PM
https://twitter.com/KennyKing_Jr/status/1290090402356137984

 :jawalrus
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: team filler on August 03, 2020, 05:30:35 PM
https://twitter.com/ACFresh21/status/1290348993600466949

 :respect :tocry talk to em goat!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Akala on August 03, 2020, 09:11:20 PM
Choo how do we win with that many turnovers and missed threes??? Thanks Silver.  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 03, 2020, 11:30:13 PM
I don't miss the fans one bit. Also getting Lakers games an hour earlier in the evening is nice.

Just random aside.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: team filler on August 04, 2020, 01:50:22 AM
https://twitter.com/ThrowbackHoops/status/1290298519081820160


 :tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 04, 2020, 07:27:19 PM
https://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1290776790122733568
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 04, 2020, 08:18:50 PM
I'm pretty sure its on the production side.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 04, 2020, 11:43:26 PM
Blazers Rockets was a good game. Removing the bottom like 8 worst teams in the league simply improves the average quality of the average game.

The Rockets are dare I say it fun to watch. Their pace is much faster than it was the last few years. It isn't just iso Harden til 7 seconds on the clock and then he drives. Westbrook is actually playing an entertaining version of basketball.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 05, 2020, 08:41:32 PM
The Lakers and Lebron seem to not have waken up for the restart. 

 :comeon
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Akala on August 05, 2020, 09:08:37 PM
Still in it
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Akala on August 05, 2020, 09:21:36 PM
Nvm  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 05, 2020, 09:33:54 PM
I'm not going to be doom and gloom because when you have Lebron and AD you have a chance of beating everybody. But Avery Bradley was the only defender on the team who could guard small quick guys. Nobody else on the squad can. So even someone as slow as CP3 can torch them. Just imagine lou williams or dame licking their chops.

They don't have a back-up point guard without Rondo as sad as it is to say I miss Rondo. Waiters can't do it. Caruso can't do it. So its all Lebron all the time and its wearing on him. Not to mention Lebron has just been a bit off since the restart started. I think he will get back in the groove by the playoffs but the other issues will still remain.

Also JR is done. Stick a fork in him. Waiters still has some game left but his decision making is as inconsistent as ever.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on August 05, 2020, 11:19:18 PM
mpj’s looked really good this past week. glad that malone’s finally emphasizing him enough in the offense, cuz denver doesnt have a shot at winning anything significant without that guy turning into their primary offensive weapon
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Akala on August 05, 2020, 11:38:13 PM
It's shaping up to be a good group, I really hope the bubble continues to work. So many sleepers...Portland, OKC, Miami, and Toronto...all dangerous.

Lakers not looking strong (at moment) and I don't trust the Clips. Which means they will win whole thing.  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: team filler on August 06, 2020, 02:41:25 AM
https://twitter.com/kuzbecomingok/status/1291260617152585728
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Akala on August 07, 2020, 03:22:38 PM
they are resting Zion! Pels trollin. :lol

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: benjipwns on August 07, 2020, 05:06:36 PM
i've done this instead of working and i know the host is abnormally slow but it's free and i spent all of one minute finding it to host basic html files made in excel

http://benjistats.rf.gd/
mirror: https://benjistats.000webhostapp.com/

to preemptively explain what would probably be the major question: mvp rating is not a measure of who the best players are but an attempt to measure the "most valuable" player to a team, so to pick an example Magic Johnson is weighted down by the rest of the Lakers being good, Bird by McHale and Parish, Stockton by Malone and vice versa, etc. whereas Adrian Dantley surprisingly "wins" due to Utah's offense being complete garbage while he was a superstar on that end

i intend to keep updating it periodically but who cares if i don't and the host dies or whatever amirite
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: team filler on August 07, 2020, 08:43:14 PM
https://twitter.com/goknickstape/status/1291868215031869441

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 08, 2020, 12:50:05 AM
Really interesting season. First time in quite awhile where a number of teams have a real shot at wining the title. I mean it honestly wouldn't stun me if a team like the Celtics won it this year.

76ers
Lakers
Celtics
Clippers
Bucks
Raptors

All have a legit shot at it to me. I mean some are more reasonable than others but all those teams from a roster perspective seem like they could take it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: team filler on August 08, 2020, 04:26:38 PM
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1292183063707840517


https://twitter.com/cjzero/status/1292181828942602243


 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 08, 2020, 06:33:09 PM
Lakers look utterly lost and clueless.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: team filler on August 08, 2020, 06:51:53 PM
https://twitter.com/DesmondPurnell/status/1292204826848374790


 :hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 08, 2020, 07:00:58 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on August 08, 2020, 06:33:09 PM
Lakers look utterly lost and clueless.

Finally decided to actually start playing some defense
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: team filler on August 08, 2020, 07:05:08 PM
how many yells and hand claps on their stat line? :blackforces
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 08, 2020, 07:12:14 PM
https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1292203299580645378
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 08, 2020, 08:19:42 PM
Welp 76ers are done.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29622495/sources-76ers-ben-simmons-leaving-nba-bubble-knee-surgery
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 08, 2020, 08:25:41 PM
Lakers

 :mjcry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: benjipwns on August 08, 2020, 10:09:47 PM
TJ Warren is averaging like 35ppg in the bubble

they should award a Bubble Only MVP
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: benjipwns on August 09, 2020, 12:33:05 AM
Luka probably could have had 20 assists if they unleashed the Boban smh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 09, 2020, 06:34:14 PM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29629548/grizzlies-loss-guarantees-play-game-final-western-conference-playoff-spot
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: team filler on August 09, 2020, 06:40:17 PM
https://twitter.com/warriorsworld/status/1292544884532887552
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: benjipwns on August 10, 2020, 02:36:20 PM
been watching, well listening, 1970s games on YouTube while doing my stats, Rick Barry is probably the best color guy for hard information but the Big O is hilarious at how excited he gets, Russell's funny too but a bit too mumbly that with any degradation to the audio it makes even harder to hear what he's saying, but his cackle after a dad joke is awesome

during the 1975 Finals at the Cow Palace, the Big O mistakes a clock showing the time of day for the time of game and says "wow, there's still seven minutes left!" and Brent Musburger goes "that's the time of day, O, gotta be careful with the clocks in here", then O says "either that or this game is never going to end!" :rofl

mostly been watching only playoff games as they're easy to find (typing in like "1976 nba finals" will find 1976 playoff games in the results too for example), but did find the end of the 1972 Lakers' 33 game winning streak against Kareem's Bucks too that was pretty good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lw6Qz0yGtM

1975 Finals is pretty good despite how it looks from the outside (4-0 sweep) because the Warriors trail in almost every single game by double digits, by game four the Bullets just look befuddled and act like they know it's coming when they get up 22 and suddenly the Warriors start chipping away at the lead

will probably post more year summaries for my stats page sometime this week if anybody likes looking at those, for the 1980's and 1990's, might do 2000's too, going to redo the design a bit after seeing how they look on an actual webpage, already fixed the centering issue so the 1970s ones for example are easier to read than the earlier, also going to put a description for the stat rather than relying on the name, especially as they get added with each successive "major" stat year (1974 adds steals and blocks plus official off rebounds, 1978 adds turnovers, 1980 adds three pointers, 1997 adds play-by-play data, 2004 adds counterpart data, etc.) I also should add the ABA somewhere, I already had them but forgot to make summary webpages, I'll probably not make more than the summary pages and instead just share the whole files on Google Spreadsheets or whatever, anybody who actually cares about them more than just glancing at them when I link it can probably handle that, like Glen :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: benjipwns on August 10, 2020, 02:53:58 PM
speaking of 1972 and Wilt, he plays game five of the Finals that year with an injured and bandaged hand that can barely grab anything to where he couldn't grip utensils to eat supposedly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsgQNV1_7rk

he still gets like 29 rebounds and 11 blocks
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 10, 2020, 09:07:17 PM
Suns, Grizzlies, Trailblazers gonna be a dogfight for that last spot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Akala on August 10, 2020, 10:21:33 PM
rip city got that  :awesome

watching pels flail was kind of a drag, Lonzo and Zion didn't really show up. I mean being fair they had worse records going in than most of the other teams, but their trajectory before the season shut down was exciting and I think a lot of people expected more. oh well. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: benjipwns on August 10, 2020, 10:23:14 PM
Boban unleashed :lawd

20/9/2 with 2 blocks in 25 minutes
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 10, 2020, 10:29:59 PM
Quote from: Akala on August 10, 2020, 10:21:33 PM
rip city got that  :awesome

watching pels flail was kind of a drag, Lonzo and Zion didn't really show up. I mean being fair they had worse records going in than most of the other teams, but their trajectory before the season shut down was exciting and I think a lot of people expected more. oh well.

Yeah Lonzo has seemingly turned into Austin Rivers 2.0. His offense just looks like it won't come together to be the player he could have been. Unforuntate. He always seemed like a nice kid.

Zion is basically still a baby so I don't blame him for anything here. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 11, 2020, 12:27:43 AM
Lakers win but nuggets played their bench the entire 4th quarter against the lakers starters and it still took a last second shot to win it.

 :'(

https://twitter.com/NBAonTNT/status/1293031057600651271
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 11, 2020, 07:00:51 PM
Phoenix has gone 7-0 in the bubble.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 11, 2020, 07:05:41 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on August 08, 2020, 10:09:47 PM
they should award a Bubble Only MVP

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29640354/nba-name-mvp-seeding-games-all-bubble-team
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 11, 2020, 07:57:39 PM
Suns :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: team filler on August 11, 2020, 08:13:25 PM
steve nash looking down from heaven canada and smiling
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 11, 2020, 08:26:12 PM
https://sports.theonion.com/devin-booker-on-secret-to-suns-bubble-success-phoeni-1844688073

 :lawd

Quote
ORLANDO—After a blazing six-win start since the NBA restarted its season, Suns guard Devin Booker explained to reporters Tuesday that the team’s succession the bubble can be attributed to the fact that Phoenix fucking sucks. “We had a rough start to the season, but the second we got out of that scorching hellhole, everyone’s morale shot through the roof and we really started to gel as a team,” said Booker, who put the blame for the team prior struggles squarely on the burden of everyday exposure to Phoenix’s art, weather, food, houses, government, parks, highways, museums, architecture, and people. “There is way more to do in the bubble than goddamn Phoenix. No more endless, identical neighborhoods and no dumbass Suns fans asking for autographs. It’s like a weight has been lifted from our shoulders and we can finally breathe free. I hope the pandemic goes on forever.” At press time, every single member of the Suns roster was asking to be traded or cut as soon as the season ended.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Akala on August 11, 2020, 08:32:37 PM
 :lol

Draymond was just messing around and the league was having none of that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on August 11, 2020, 10:50:32 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on August 11, 2020, 08:26:12 PM
Quote
No more endless, identical neighborhoods
it amazes me every time i leave arizona that there can be aesthetic variety in urban environments
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 11, 2020, 10:56:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTl6c2vlmW8
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 13, 2020, 06:42:42 PM
Phoenix wins and goes 8-0 in the bubble. Spurs 22 year streak of playoffs over even though they did pretty well in the bubble.

Grizz automatically in the play-in game with their win. Portland will be also I believe if they win which would eliminate the Suns.


As a basketball fan I want the blazers to win.

As a Lebron fan, I want the grizz to win as the lakers would have a much harder time with rip city.

 :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Akala on August 13, 2020, 07:08:57 PM
I would like LeBron to win one in LA and they could use it, especially this year. I would also not mind one bit if Dame seized on what is probably his best opportunity to get a ring in Portland. I don't think either team is looking strong enough to win it all, but who knows.

Considering how they've played in the bubble I think the Suns are getting a bit shafted, hopefully they can keep momentum going for next year and be respectable again. It's been a while.



Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 13, 2020, 07:32:05 PM
It's gotten to the point where I can't envision the Lakers winning the title anymore. They just looked terrible all bubble. Covid killed all team chemistry they had after things got locked down. They looked great right before the season shutdown. Clippers just seem unbeatable now in the west with all that depth. I hope Rockets and Thunder stay 4 & 5. That would be a super fun first round. The east still has some fun matchups also.

Yeah hopefully the suns maintain the momentum and bring forward what they did in the bubble. It would be fun to have the Suns being decent again.


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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 13, 2020, 10:52:57 PM
Portland down by 6 3rd quarter.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 13, 2020, 11:14:41 PM
https://twitter.com/NBAonTNT/status/1294109613428678656
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 13, 2020, 11:20:11 PM
Crazy game. Lillard is tossing in 3's like it ain't nothing.
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Post by: Akala on August 13, 2020, 11:34:13 PM
Regular season don’t matter till the 4th!  :gladbron
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 13, 2020, 11:37:04 PM
wow amazing game
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 13, 2020, 11:51:17 PM
playoff schedule. Put in spoiler to not make post huge with big image

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfVhj8VWsAoO2I8?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfVhkW6X0AE8t1e?format=jpg&name=large)
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Post by: El Babua on August 13, 2020, 11:57:46 PM
Really wanted that Blazers vs Suns series.

I'm pretty sure those Bucks bench players could have put in a better effort against Memphis  :doge
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Post by: ToxicAdam on August 14, 2020, 12:19:09 AM
Any chance Dallas can pull off a first round upset? I don’t watch either team with much regularity.
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Post by: Akala on August 14, 2020, 12:24:00 AM
Highly unlikely.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 14, 2020, 01:18:26 AM
Their defense sucks. The games might be decently close because offensively they are damn good but when it comes to the 4th quarter George and Paul will most likely put the lockdown on Luka and make somebody else beat them which isn't the best course.

edit: lol at George and Paul. Meant Leonard and Paul.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 14, 2020, 11:28:18 PM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29663545/vlade-divac-steps-kings-gm-joe-dumars-assume-role
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble playoff basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Tripon on August 15, 2020, 12:49:26 PM
https://twitter.com/SLAMnewswire/status/1294671858084843520

Out of the bubble out of a job.
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Post by: Beezy on August 15, 2020, 01:59:51 PM
https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1294683970723028992

The best league.
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Post by: Akala on August 15, 2020, 02:07:02 PM
I like Gentry but am kind of ok with this, it never quite clicked. Gentry had some bad breaks sure, but it also always felt like he was trying to force things into a system that never really worked.

Would rather Lue over Kidd. Aside from assuming he has a good relationship with our GM, I think talent is there and it's just forming a plan around pieces we have. Lue has proven he is equipped for that, or at least has looked it. having one of the GOATs/another coach on the floor really helps with that.  :lol

Also have tons of picks next few years, good opportunity with more than likely a 5-6 year window. I can see Jrue being odd man out.  :'(



Title: Re: The NBA thread (Luka rises. Sell PG-13 stock)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 15, 2020, 04:26:47 PM
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LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. -- Portland Trail Blazers star Damian Lillard was unanimously voted the Most Valuable Player of the seeding games portion of the NBA's attempt to restart its season inside the NBA's bubble at the Walt Disney World Resort.

Lillard, who led all players in the bubble with an average of 37.6 points per game over the eight seeding games, carried Portland to a 6-2 record and the eighth seed in the league's first-ever play-in tournament, which the Blazers begin Saturday against the ninth-seeded Memphis Grizzlies.

Lillard, who also averaged 9.6 assists, scored 51, 61 and 42 points over Portland's final three games to carry the Blazers into the seeding games, and he clearly set himself above the field of contenders for top honors inside the bubble as a result.

He was followed in the voting by guard Devin Booker, who led the Phoenix Suns to a perfect 8-0 record inside the bubble, and Indiana Pacers forward T.J. Warren, who scored 53 points in his opening game against the Philadelphia 76ers and averaged 31 points over the eight seeding games.

Suns coach Monty Williams was the near unanimous choice for the league's top coach inside the bubble, with Portland's Terry Stotts getting the lone other first-place vote.

Lillard, Booker and Dallas Mavericks guard Luka Doncic each were unanimously named to the All-Bubble first team, while Houston Rockets guard James Harden and Warren each received 18 first-team votes to claim the other two spots.

The second team consisted of the NBA's reigning MVP Giannis Antetokounmpo, LA Clippers star Kawhi Leonard, Dallas Mavericks center Kristaps Porzingis, Brooklyn Nets guard Caris LeVert and Denver Nuggets rookie Michael Porter Jr.

The eight seeding games did not count toward the NBA's traditional season-long awards. The winners of those honors will be announced by the NBA throughout the playoffs, which officially begin Monday.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29668104/trail-blazers-damian-lillard-wins-bubble-mvp-suns-monty-williams-named-top-coach
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 15, 2020, 04:54:05 PM
Great play in game but it looks like Portland is gonna take.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 15, 2020, 05:13:33 PM
You're not supposed to be worried as the 1st seed but this is one of those rare cases where portland does a ton of things the Lakers are awful at.
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Post by: benjipwns on August 16, 2020, 12:59:22 AM
Pedja also out with the Kings, he was assistant GM. Luke Walton safe though.

From the Chicago media, seems Kenny Atkinson has the inside track on the Bulls job unless someone blows them away in interviews. They're not expected to talk to Lue/Kidd/etc. but some of the assistants around the league.

Nets are rumored to be preparing a massive offer of some kind to make to Pop almost just to see if he'll talk to them. Sean Marks does come from the Spurs system. But it seems more like Nets media fans acting like Knicks fans than actual rumor.
Quote from: Akala on August 15, 2020, 02:07:02 PM
I like Gentry but am kind of ok with this, it never quite clicked. Gentry had some bad breaks sure, but it also always felt like he was trying to force things into a system that never really worked.

Would rather Lue over Kidd. Aside from assuming he has a good relationship with our GM
One rumor is D'Antoni, who is almost certainly leaving the Rockets unless they somehow win the title, who also has ties to Griffin, they worked together on Seven Seconds or Less. Zion in the center of a D'Antoni offense has to be intriguing to both sides.

I think Lue might imagine he's more like the missing part for a near contender. He passed on the Lakers because he couldn't be sure of their contending timeline.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble playoff basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Tripon on August 17, 2020, 02:09:34 PM
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1295352177431662593
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 17, 2020, 03:55:30 PM
Mitchell destroying the nuggets
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 17, 2020, 04:03:31 PM
OT

Mitchell 51 points on 17-28

7 assists. 8 rebounds.

only 3 turnovers.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 17, 2020, 04:18:02 PM
Denver put it on em in ot
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 17, 2020, 09:58:41 PM
Mavericks started off like dog shit but now they hoopin
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Post by: Joe Molotov on August 18, 2020, 09:35:27 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on August 17, 2020, 09:58:41 PM
Mavericks started off like dog shit but now they hoopin

Until KP got the boot, smh.
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Post by: Akala on August 18, 2020, 10:38:28 AM
I turned it off when that happened.  :lol
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Post by: Joe Molotov on August 18, 2020, 11:47:52 AM
Technical Foul for failing to observe social distancing guidelines.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 18, 2020, 02:29:38 PM
Bucks asleep early on
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Post by: Akala on August 18, 2020, 02:57:48 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/mTrC20U.jpg)
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 18, 2020, 04:15:50 PM
Vucevic crushed it in that game.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 18, 2020, 04:20:57 PM
The crazy thing is how many teams could have actually benefited with Carmelo even with his liabilities on defense. I would much rather have him than some of Lakers bench players. Like Jared Dudley.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 18, 2020, 06:45:40 PM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1295771967426113536
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 18, 2020, 09:44:33 PM
What a surprise. The lakers still look like shit.
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Post by: Akala on August 18, 2020, 11:43:57 PM
Can’t get an offensive board for nothing and dame getting hot.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 18, 2020, 11:54:27 PM
Not a surprise what so ever. Lakers lose. Even if they win the series they are done as far as going anywhere in the playoffs. Sad.

The team has no shooting. Good game for Lebron but all for nothing.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 19, 2020, 12:34:15 AM
oh btw Frank Vogel I'm tired of having Anthony Davis shoot 3's. Just saying. Maybe do something about that.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 19, 2020, 12:53:20 AM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29692854/raptors-masai-ujiri-countersues-video-shows-officer-initiated-shoving-19-finals-aftermath

Also not a surprise.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble playoff basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Mandark on August 19, 2020, 01:03:08 AM
Saw the video, wasn't sure whether to put it in the NBA thread or the politics one.

Remember when the NYPD broke Thabo Sefalosha's leg?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble playoff basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Beezy on August 19, 2020, 02:49:04 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on August 18, 2020, 04:20:57 PM
The crazy thing is how many teams could have actually benefited with Carmelo even with his liabilities on defense. I would much rather have him than some of Lakers bench players. Like Jared Dudley.
Everyone acted like Melo's career was over after Rockets dropped him after 10 games as if he was the reason they were losing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble playoff basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 20, 2020, 12:29:35 AM
Nice Mavs win
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Post by: bluemax on August 20, 2020, 12:35:02 AM
Feels like Clippers had a shot to come back and Doc put out terrible lineups to prove a point of some kind.
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Post by: ToxicAdam on August 20, 2020, 09:11:28 AM
If the Mavs win the series I'm going to be pissed at you mfers that said they had no shot. I would've made some money.

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Post by: Akala on August 20, 2020, 10:36:35 AM
highly unlikely is where you make the money  :lol

PG had a terrible night, sticking to prediction. Dallas has a good core and should only get better though.

for tonight...could it be...Rondo time? :hyper

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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 20, 2020, 04:54:31 PM
It's not like I'm rooting for the Clips but its still HIGHLY UNLIKELY they lose this series.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 20, 2020, 10:11:32 PM
Rare decent Half for the Lakers since the restart. Decent. Not especially good but decent. Which is a big step up from complete dog shit.
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Post by: benjipwns on August 20, 2020, 10:48:15 PM
DARKO CURSE CONTINUES
https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1296612384296046593
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Post by: Mandark on August 20, 2020, 10:56:56 PM
Tired of the rigged NBA sending all the top picks to big flashy markets like Minnesota and Cleveland.
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Post by: benjipwns on August 20, 2020, 10:57:44 PM
They only sent the top pick to Minnesota because of the SJWBLM agenda.
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Post by: ToxicAdam on August 21, 2020, 09:25:16 AM
Top Cavs reddit comment (pre lottery):

Quote
I hope we get 4 or 5, so we can be "stuck" with a pick like Ball, Wiseman, or Okoro. That way when it doesn't pan out, I can still talk shit like we had no other choice.
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Post by: Pissy F Benny on August 21, 2020, 12:23:40 PM
Plan the Parade :shaq :gladbron :playa
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Post by: Steve Contra on August 21, 2020, 10:37:00 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 20, 2020, 10:56:56 PM
Tired of the rigged NBA sending all the top picks to big flashy markets like Minnesota and Cleveland.
i don’t miss Etoilet except in NBA threads. Guy has the worst takes on everything because of 2002.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 22, 2020, 08:55:46 PM
Good OKC Houston game. Harden fouling out here in OT seems like it the knock out for houston though.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 22, 2020, 08:59:24 PM
https://twitter.com/FOXSportsOK/status/1297337021225152513
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 22, 2020, 09:48:17 PM
sigh. Lakers are such an unfun team to watch. So many boneheads on this team that play completely out of control.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 22, 2020, 10:33:54 PM
Much better effort here in the 2nd half at least.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 22, 2020, 11:13:43 PM
Lebron Killer game
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Post by: Pissy F Benny on August 23, 2020, 06:22:28 AM
Quote from: Piss Benoit on August 21, 2020, 12:23:40 PM
Plan the Parade :shaq :gladbron :playa

:pimp
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 23, 2020, 05:25:54 PM
Paul George playing like complete crap. Just saying
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 23, 2020, 05:37:24 PM
Luka is destroying the clippers at the moment.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 23, 2020, 05:39:50 PM
George looks scared to literally take a shot at the moment I'm not exaggerating. He may pull it together before the end of the game but he is lost right now.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 23, 2020, 05:57:33 PM
Seth playing like Steph
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 23, 2020, 06:13:15 PM
Leonard basically single handedly winning this game. He has put the clamps on Luka
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 23, 2020, 06:36:11 PM
HOLY SHIT!
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Post by: Nuitangg on August 23, 2020, 06:37:48 PM
Luka  :rejoice
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 23, 2020, 06:38:10 PM
https://twitter.com/ComplexSports/status/1297663884103475208
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 23, 2020, 06:40:12 PM
Crazy ass game. Luka was phenomenal. That was a legendary game for him. Legendary disappearance for Paul George.

Leonard was actually pretty good. I mean I think he is the best player in basketball and he almost won that for that with no help from PG. Lou Williams was also pretty great of course. That was an amazing game. And to win without Porzingis was wow.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Luka rises. Sell PG-13 stock)
Post by: team filler on August 23, 2020, 06:45:33 PM
fuck the clips and that bitchass somali pirate  :rejoice
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Post by: Great Rumbler on August 23, 2020, 07:08:11 PM
Luka! :rejoice
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 23, 2020, 07:22:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0qqg9FnZrw
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Post by: Akala on August 23, 2020, 07:28:03 PM
Chooo  :o

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Post by: team filler on August 23, 2020, 07:36:18 PM
https://twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1297652171396329472
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Post by: team filler on August 23, 2020, 07:37:17 PM
https://twitter.com/VicTafur/status/1297667761934446592

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Post by: benjipwns on August 24, 2020, 02:50:58 AM
Nets went out in style, letting the Raptors have 150 points in regulation.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on August 24, 2020, 09:31:48 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on August 24, 2020, 02:50:58 AM
Nets went out in style, letting the Raptors have 150 points in regulation.

On the next episode of Heritage Minutes....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiJJIacdF-E
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Post by: Beezy on August 24, 2020, 11:42:02 AM
Paul George has always been just a really good player to me and not one of the greats, but has he ever disappeared in the playoffs like this?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Luka rises. Sell PG-13 stock)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 24, 2020, 01:14:48 PM
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/georgpa01/gamelog-playoffs/

I mean he has had a few back to back bad games before but I think the issue is mainly that he also has never played on a team this talented before. He doesn't actually need to play like an insane superstar. All he needs to do is play good defense and just be competent on offense. The last three games he has been terrible on offense and his defense which should always be good hasn't been up to his standards.
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Post by: team filler on August 24, 2020, 04:39:02 PM
https://twitter.com/Dame_Lillard/status/1297925422651445251
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Post by: Akala on August 24, 2020, 04:42:18 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/QS1QqB0.jpg)
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 24, 2020, 06:41:41 PM
The Rockets are just a nightmare to play against.

57 3 pointers attempted in the game. Which leaves 33 2 point attempts. They just break basketball.

That being said, I'm glad this series has tightened to 2-2.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on August 24, 2020, 07:08:08 PM
The 76ers didn't trust the process.  :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 24, 2020, 10:26:45 PM
Now that was a great Lakers half.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 24, 2020, 10:30:20 PM
This is the best I’ve seen the lakers play all season
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Post by: Pissy F Benny on August 25, 2020, 05:06:37 AM
are all of the lakers games gonna be the late one, making it inconvenient for the distinguished international viewer to watch live :stahp :shaq2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 25, 2020, 03:12:42 PM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29738483/mavericks-kristaps-porzingis-ruled-game-5-vs-clippers

Terrible timing for this stuff. Unfortunate.

I'm gonna go ahead and say Paul George will have a big bounce back game tonight.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 25, 2020, 03:13:14 PM
Quote from: Piss Benoit on August 25, 2020, 05:06:37 AM
are all of the lakers games gonna be the late one, making it inconvenient for the distinguished international viewer to watch live :stahp :shaq2

They are the most popular team so most likely.
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Post by: ToxicAdam on August 25, 2020, 03:13:16 PM
He has to have a bounce back game, because he can't play worse.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 25, 2020, 03:37:40 PM
What I'm saying is I legit think the Clips are gonna probably dust them tonight because they have to be embarrassed by that last game. Not to mention the coaches for the clippers are too good to not adjust some of the obvious issues they had. 
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Post by: Akala on August 25, 2020, 04:47:30 PM
yeah i am thinking that's a wrap for the Mavs.

Blazers too, but Lakers probably benefitted from being tested a bit. 
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 25, 2020, 07:20:00 PM
21 PTS
8/8 FG
5/5 3PT

1st quarter

https://twitter.com/_TMD_Podcast/status/1298399498381688836
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 25, 2020, 09:05:21 PM
Jamal Murray has been absolutely disgusting the last two games
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Post by: Akala on August 25, 2020, 09:51:20 PM
get fucked utah! give us our name back you frauds!  :punch
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Post by: Nuitangg on August 25, 2020, 11:18:00 PM
Marcus Morris is a bitch.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 25, 2020, 11:27:39 PM
It was pretty easy to see this ass kicking coming. I was disappointed that Porzingis couldn't go tonight. An injury is an injury but he was tossed from one game and now missed two. Very forgettable playoff experience for him.
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Post by: Akala on August 25, 2020, 11:29:03 PM
Dame out for game 5.  :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: team filler on August 26, 2020, 01:01:22 PM
https://twitter.com/cjzero/status/1298452771570618372

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: team filler on August 26, 2020, 04:11:48 PM
https://twitter.com/Rachel__Nichols/status/1298712840346333187

 :mjcry
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Post by: Joe Molotov on August 26, 2020, 05:12:29 PM
People in the break room (who don't watch the NBA) were demanding that Lebron be deported to China for making the NBA shutdown, but not even caring when Luka got called a racist slur a few days ago.  :fbm
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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 26, 2020, 05:15:01 PM
Cool. I'm all for it although the RNC will clog up the mainstream media attention tonight mostly.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: team filler on August 26, 2020, 07:24:57 PM
https://twitter.com/Kungu_NBA/status/1298759750625132547

 :tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: benjipwns on August 26, 2020, 09:13:47 PM
Another one: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29745711/pacers-fire-nate-mcmillan-being-swept-first-round-playoffs
Quote
Houston Rockets coach Mike D'Antoni, who is in the final year of his contract, will be an Indiana target should he become available, sources tell ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 26, 2020, 11:24:04 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2906438-report-lakers-clippers-voted-not-to-finish-season-after-jacob-blake-shooting

Quote
The two best teams in the Western Conference reportedly voted to sit out the rest of the NBA season following the police shooting of Jacob Blake.

According to Shams Charania of The Athletic and Stadium, the Los Angeles Lakers and L.A. Clippers voted not to play. Charania also noted every other team voted to continue with the playoffs in the bubble at Walt Disney World Resort, while LeBron James called for more action from the league's owners.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: benjipwns on August 26, 2020, 11:28:27 PM
First they hurt Dame, now they're trying to get an asterisk on the season, typical Lakers tactics. smh
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Bubble basketball is best basketball)
Post by: benjipwns on August 27, 2020, 03:00:54 AM
Quote from: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29750080/nba-board-governors-players-hold-separate-meetings-next-steps
After the Bucks eventually left the locker room some three hours later and read a statement explaining their decision, all players and coaches still inside the bubble held a meeting to discuss what will come next and whether the season would resume. Members of Blake's family were connected with the meeting virtually, sources said.

While some in the meeting wanted to know why the Bucks made an abrupt decision without consulting any of the other teams inside the bubble -- including the Magic, who were on the court inside AdventHealth Arena warming up until a few minutes before the scheduled tipoff before eventually going back to their locker room -- Boston Celtics forward Jaylen Brown essentially said that wasn't necessary and fully supported their decision, sources told Wojnarowski.

Eventually, teams were polled about what their preference would be, and the Lakers and LA Clippers both voted to end the season, sources told Wojnarowski, though sources stressed that no final decision on what will happen with the remainder of the season has been made.

Afterward, a source present for the meeting told ESPN there was "no sense of accomplishment" after the meeting, and added there would be a feeling of "uncertainty" until after Thursday's meetings.

Sources said it seems unlikely there will be games played Thursday, either, when the six teams still inside the bubble that were not scheduled to play Wednesday -- the Celtics, Toronto Raptors, Denver Nuggets, Utah Jazz, Dallas Mavericks and Clippers -- are scheduled to return to action.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA season is on the bubble)
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 27, 2020, 02:09:16 PM
The pose on this  Luka rookie card is something else ..

https://www.reddit.com/r/basketballcards/comments/ihq3nh/luka_doncic_rated_rookie/
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA season is on the bubble)
Post by: benjipwns on August 28, 2020, 07:12:09 PM
https://nbpa.com/news/joint-nba-and-nbpa-statement
Quote
All parties agreed to resume NBA playoff games on Saturday, Aug. 29
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA season is on the bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 29, 2020, 08:30:04 AM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1299464900155146243

Welp there goes even that small chance they had.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA season is on the bubble)
Post by: team filler on August 29, 2020, 12:27:27 PM
https://twitter.com/UConnMBB/status/1299711145385787392

https://twitter.com/Ballislife/status/1299715473123278848

 :mjcry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA season is on the bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 29, 2020, 01:12:54 PM
Sad. I always liked him. He had an unusually diverse game for that time period. He was a bit ahead of his time and kind of the model of how a big would play nowadays.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA season is on the bubble)
Post by: benjipwns on August 29, 2020, 11:14:27 PM
https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1299884996656795650
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA season is on the bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 30, 2020, 12:10:45 AM
Lakers versus Thunder or Rockets

Lakers should beat either in theory but each are different things. The Thunder are a traditional matchup with traditional players. AD and Lebron are the two best players on the court though so although Thunder are a gritty team, and I could see it going 4-2 or something like that, Lakers clearly have the advantage.

The Rockets are a complete puzzle with a high top and also a low end. The series could go 4-1 or end up being a death struggle at 4-3 if they connect on their threes. The Lakers often fall asleep defending the three so those shots will be there Playing the rockets is just super annoying.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA season is on the bubble)
Post by: team filler on August 30, 2020, 01:06:10 AM
https://twitter.com/pickuphoop/status/1299920202805719041


 :kermit
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA season is on the bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 30, 2020, 01:10:19 AM
He still dumb

(https://i.redd.it/f6aw2brur1k51.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA season is on the bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 30, 2020, 12:36:27 PM
legit have no idea in that toronto boston matchup.... They seem so evenly matched.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (NBA season is on the bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 30, 2020, 11:29:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW5HA9M-XzA

He's been so nasty this whole series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Akala on August 31, 2020, 12:22:24 AM
I think I’m leaning Toronto in their series but it’s kind of a pick em and should be good. 

Also:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29772617/from-michael-jordan-lebron-james-how-nba-became-powerful-political-organization?platform=amp&__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 31, 2020, 09:14:28 PM
Looks like Bucks gonna drop this first game. No bledsoe tonight was an issue. Heat also super well rounded.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 31, 2020, 09:25:07 PM
Butler just killing them
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 31, 2020, 09:28:53 PM
Hmmm... Will root for Thunder both because I prefer them and also because I'd rather the Lakers play them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Akala on August 31, 2020, 10:52:22 PM
I think Houston and LA would be closer but wouldn't be fun to watch? Who knows. Let Houston/OKC go to 7.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 31, 2020, 11:09:51 PM
Westbrook is throwing some ugly turnovers here.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 31, 2020, 11:16:29 PM
Will it be another rockets collapse...
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 31, 2020, 11:40:35 PM
2 giant threes from paul
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 31, 2020, 11:41:40 PM
Shai is fucking up. Westbrook is fucking up
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 31, 2020, 11:49:07 PM
Westbrook is undercover playing for the Thunder.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 31, 2020, 11:51:42 PM
Well this game is the end of the D'Antoni period for the Rockets imo. Westbrook is gonna get so much shit for this game. He was terrible all night. Baffling that you don't put the ball in Harden's hand. Big time game for Paul.

Great game overall and series.


edit: LOL. I'm an idiot. I went this whole night thinking this was Game 7 for some reason. I went to the rockets reddit to see what they were saying and was confused at all the game 7 comments.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 01, 2020, 12:04:22 AM
https://twitter.com/NBAFantasy/status/1300645224994271233
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Akala on September 01, 2020, 12:45:58 AM
Stoney  :lol

I got my wish for a game 7.   :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 01, 2020, 01:17:21 AM
I think the stoppage threw me off. In my head I was like if you still playing a first round game it HAS to be like a game 7 at this point.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: team filler on September 01, 2020, 08:47:38 AM
https://twitter.com/alleniverson/status/1300433377166843905

 :tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 01, 2020, 01:13:11 PM
https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1300828815422181376
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 01, 2020, 08:13:23 PM
Big comeback from the Celtics. Damn, I feel like this team could go to the finals.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: team filler on September 01, 2020, 09:25:05 PM
celtics/lakers  :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: El Babua on September 01, 2020, 10:38:21 PM
Anyone longing for stereotypical 90s basketball should be watching this Jazz/Nuggets game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 01, 2020, 10:38:52 PM
Crazy low scoring game here for a modern NBA game
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on September 01, 2020, 10:51:07 PM
Quote from: El Babua on September 01, 2020, 10:38:21 PM
Anyone longing for stereotypical 90s basketball should be watching this Jazz/Nuggets game.
its just bad shooting
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 01, 2020, 10:56:02 PM
tight finish
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 01, 2020, 11:00:38 PM
https://twitter.com/NBA/status/1300991510251438081
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 02, 2020, 05:20:31 PM
Legacy game tonight for Harden. Not saying its necessarily fair but if he loses tonight without an absolutely killer performance nba groupthink history will not treat him very kindly.

Kind of like the way Karl Malone is in nba purgatory for various reasons.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 02, 2020, 07:39:57 PM
Jeez the heat just look better than the bucks.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Akala on September 02, 2020, 09:31:10 PM
 :whew

end of game pretty wild.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 02, 2020, 09:33:56 PM
Miami trying to throw it away. They were controlling this game the whole way through.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 02, 2020, 09:36:13 PM
And bucks give it right back to em
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 02, 2020, 09:38:56 PM
lol I went to both subreddits for each team and they were both salty at Doris.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: ToxicAdam on September 02, 2020, 09:40:06 PM
That last 30 seconds really soiled what was an enjoyable game until that point. Yikes.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 02, 2020, 09:40:08 PM
https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1301333368890511361
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Akala on September 02, 2020, 09:41:35 PM
who yall got for Houston/OKC? I am kinda leaning Houston but an OKC win would not be shocking.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 02, 2020, 09:41:53 PM
Bucks in major trouble. I didn't like the way they looked that entire game.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 02, 2020, 09:42:51 PM
Quote from: Akala on September 02, 2020, 09:41:35 PM
who yall got for Houston/OKC? I am kinda leaning Houston but an OKC win would not be shocking.

I am 1000% rooting for OKC. Not even because of the Lakers. I just think it would be hilarious for Paul to get revenge for being traded.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 02, 2020, 09:47:55 PM
I feel like Shai Gilgeous-Alexander is overwhelmed at the moment every time I see him make a decision. He's young I know but still.

edit: I don't care what analytics say. Some players should NEVER take threes. Westbrook is one of those people.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 02, 2020, 10:07:58 PM
lol at Dortz with 18. I feel like the rockets don't care if he scores 40 though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 02, 2020, 11:03:50 PM
Westbrook pretty good tonight in a bounce back game. Harden is pretty bad so far scoring at least but Dortz is defending the hell out of him. Chris Paul not so good tonight either.

4th quarter Houston lead. Can they hold it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 02, 2020, 11:28:47 PM
I don't think I like adams being in there at this stage. I think they should go small.

Alexander is fucking lost out there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: team filler on September 02, 2020, 11:41:06 PM
https://twitter.com/nicjbae/status/1301301583850934272
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 02, 2020, 11:41:20 PM
lol Dortz just lost them the game. Terrible play by him. He tried his best though and had a good game outside of that horrible play.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 02, 2020, 11:46:08 PM
Good game. Very defensive. Looks like Lakers Rockets which will be super annoying as a Lakers fan because Lakers will still trot out Dwight Howard and McGee against lineups that aren't trying to drive against them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 02, 2020, 11:51:34 PM
lol weird ending
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Akala on September 02, 2020, 11:55:42 PM
Good game. It looked like Harden was going to choke another one away but he showed up late. Seemed like bad coaching from OKC towards end or maybe poor CP3 cursed.  :'(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Akala on September 02, 2020, 11:58:13 PM
Also how happy is Harden that they won? He’d have never heard the end of it.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 02, 2020, 11:58:58 PM
Quote from: Akala on September 02, 2020, 11:55:42 PM
Good game. It looked like Harden was going to choke another one away but he showed up late. Seemed like bad coaching from OKC towards end or maybe poor CP3 cursed.  :'(

I think Steve Adams out there was mistake but that's just my two cents as a yokel watching TV. I wonder if D'Antoni saved his job with that win. It was hard to imagine him staying after a loss. But now I think the Rockets have basically reached expectation by making the second round. We'll see if they can get an upset.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 03, 2020, 09:56:21 AM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1301515827783573504

 :leon
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Cheddahz on September 03, 2020, 09:57:54 AM
I'm a huge Steve Nash fan, but I'm surprised that the Nets are going this route again lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 03, 2020, 10:02:39 AM
Very interesting. Nash was of course a smart player but being a smart player doesn't necessarily translate to being a good coach. I do like his temperament though for being a coach. Also kind of interesting that kyrie didn't back lue.

It will all come down to the playoffs. Durant and Kyrie are good enough to roll through the east regular season no matter who the coach is.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: ToxicAdam on September 03, 2020, 01:06:37 PM
I find the Nash news shocking. I thought he was more invested into soccer now.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 03, 2020, 02:44:57 PM
I find it more surprising in the sense that the guys who made a lot of money playing are generally less interested in coaching compared to the guys who made just average money for nba players relatively speaking.

If you made a crapload of money in your career, you have less incentive to put in the hard work and long hours coaching requires compared to just living a relatively carefree life sitting on your money.

Steve Nash made 144 million in his career. That's not the most ever of course but its pretty darn good to not ever have to work as hard as a coach has to.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Akala on September 03, 2020, 03:59:06 PM
Tim Duncan kinda fits in here. I think of the current crop of stars the three that jump out as obvious potential coaches to me would be LeBron, Chris Paul, and Rondo. Rondo is smart enough, but don't think he really wants it and likely better in broadcasting. The other two I would think would be more interested in an avenue to ownership.

Nash was in the periphery of the Warriors as an advisor and probably liked what he saw Kerr doing. The only thing I remember from that was he was quoted as saying something like 'they don't need me at all.'

That or maybe he invested it all in Blockbuster.  :brain

Speaking of Chris Paul, thinking about it a bit today it really was pretty unexpected and great how he was able to basically put an entire team on his shoulders and maximize the situation the trade put him in. When it happened I thought he was done, but he may have a few years left in a relatively good situation, even if I don't think they will be in legit title contention. Bad way to end a weird season but glad it's at least kind of looking up for him as he is a great dude.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 03, 2020, 04:49:12 PM
Quote from: Akala on September 03, 2020, 03:59:06 PM
Tim Duncan kinda fits in here. I think of the current crop of stars the three that jump out as obvious potential coaches to me would be LeBron, Chris Paul, and Rondo.

That's the thing, I don't see people of Lebron and Chris Paul's stature ever willing to be coaches. Part owners maybe but not all the bs you have to deal with as a coach. I'm not saying I see Rondo as a coach but he is more the type I think who would. Someone who made a lot of money in his career but not so ungodly an amount that its obscene. Also coaching isn't the glamour job. The glamour job is the gm. That tends to be the sexier job instead of the frontline job of coaching.

Money isn't the only factor of course. Tim Duncan made great money but he seems like he would be willing to do it, but his temperament seems to match up with coaching.

Quote from: Akala on September 03, 2020, 03:59:06 PM

Speaking of Chris Paul, thinking about it a bit today it really was pretty unexpected and great how he was able to basically put an entire team on his shoulders and maximize the situation the trade put him in. When it happened I thought he was done, but he may have a few years left in a relatively good situation, even if I don't think they will be in legit title contention. Bad way to end a weird season but glad it's at least kind of looking up for him as he is a great dude.


Yeah I felt bad for Chris being on the Thunder (even though you can only feel so bad for a person making that amount of money) when the season began but they had a miracle season. There are a lot of rumours that he has rehabilitated some of his value and may be traded in the off-season even with that anchor of a contract he has
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Mandark on September 03, 2020, 05:17:11 PM
If Kobe were alive he absolutely would have been hired to coach the Lakers during some future rebuilding phase, then quit after 30 games because the kids today couldn't keep up with him yelling at them all the time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: team filler on September 03, 2020, 07:05:31 PM
 :fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: ToxicAdam on September 03, 2020, 09:09:18 PM
Kobe would’ve made someone quit first. A Lonzo Ball type that wasn’t living up to expectations. He would’ve rode the kid until he quit.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 03, 2020, 09:15:49 PM
Terrific kemba pass for the win.

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1301690183633395716
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 03, 2020, 09:17:20 PM
wow
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 03, 2020, 09:18:56 PM
https://twitter.com/TSN_Sports/status/1301690640875638784
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: team filler on September 04, 2020, 03:04:03 AM
kobe would have coached his daughters wnba team to a championship  :mjcry
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 04, 2020, 09:09:27 PM
Bucks getting absolutely waxed in this series. And generally I think coach bud is quite good but he's gotta play his stars longer. This is the playoffs and they are in a do or die situation and he's playing them like 35 34 minutes. That's kinda crazy.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: ToxicAdam on September 04, 2020, 09:26:28 PM
That 4th quarter is a back breaker. I don’t know how the Bucks even get up for the next game after that kind of end.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Akala on September 04, 2020, 10:00:32 PM
Gentleman’s sweep incoming for the heat.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 04, 2020, 11:03:13 PM
Kyle Kuzma is soft as tissue paper and is completely scared of the moment. I'd take Carmelo any freaking day over him. They both suck on defense but at least Carmelo isn't scared to take a shot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 04, 2020, 11:14:14 PM
Rockets got this game. Lakers being outcoached and outplayed in this one. They should still win the series but games like this show why they can't stand against the clippers.

It's so obvious you have to play small against the rockets. Howard and McGee are useless in match up like this. Davis has to play the Center. But nope. Still gonna play exactly the same way.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Akala on September 04, 2020, 11:25:37 PM
I uh, wasn’t expecting this.  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: T-Short on September 05, 2020, 06:42:47 AM
https://twitter.com/ringernba/status/1302044291687043074
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: El Babua on September 06, 2020, 06:30:59 PM
Would have preferred to see the Heat win that one.

Really don't want to give these Bucks any life.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 06, 2020, 06:39:43 PM
I doubt Giannis is coming back so its just a matter of time before the heat win.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 06, 2020, 09:45:24 PM
No Dwight Howard tonight. I'm glad vogel recognized the obvious
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 06, 2020, 10:06:59 PM
lol lakers collapse to start the 3rd quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 06, 2020, 10:18:33 PM
This is easily the type of game the lakers could lose. They are being outhustled and playing dumb again.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 06, 2020, 11:04:54 PM
Lakers gonna take it but that was a super annoying game if you were rooting for the Lakers. They did so many dumb things.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: ToxicAdam on September 06, 2020, 11:36:47 PM
Holy shit, the Rockets almost shot equally from the field and from three (44% v 41%).
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 06, 2020, 11:49:27 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on September 06, 2020, 11:36:47 PM
Holy shit, the Rockets almost shot equally from the field and from three (44% v 41%).

The thing is in the playoffs they aren't even taking that many 2's.

Tonight.

53 3-point attempts which leaves
25 2 point attempts.

This is very common for them. They are like a run and shoot NBA equivalent.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: team filler on September 07, 2020, 08:05:12 PM
https://twitter.com/British_Raven19/status/1303120677495595008


 :money
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 07, 2020, 11:42:03 PM
Nuggets played well but that is why the Clips are gonna get that title. When they crank up their defense when it matters nobody can turn it on like that.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: benjipwns on September 08, 2020, 09:28:46 PM
Another opening:
Quote
Oklahoma City coach Billy Donovan won't be returning to the Thunder next season, sources tell ESPN.

Donovan's contract expired at season's end and the sides have decided against pursuing an extension.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 08, 2020, 09:55:03 PM
Weird. If you were going to fire him I thought last year would have been it. Not this season where he over-achieved. I suppose they were just being cheap.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 08, 2020, 11:24:29 PM
Rondo killing it tonight
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 08, 2020, 11:46:16 PM
Great defensive Lockdown by the Lakers in that 4th quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 09, 2020, 09:39:54 PM
classic raptors celtics game going on. double ot
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 09, 2020, 09:45:09 PM
https://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1303871445622165504
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Akala on September 09, 2020, 09:55:15 PM
 :whew

series exactly as expected.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 10, 2020, 12:27:48 PM
https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1304049510008737794


 :jawalrus
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Beezy on September 10, 2020, 01:04:20 PM
If this is true, then she's been in the bubble. I don't see the problem.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 10, 2020, 01:10:09 PM
Quote from: Beezy on September 10, 2020, 01:04:20 PM
If this is true, then she's been in the bubble. I don't see the problem.

I'm not sure the nurses have to necessarily stay in the bubble (I'm not sure ALL workers have to stay in the bubble the entire time) but even if they do I think the issue is fear that she could potentially compromise the situation if there is a sexual relationship going on. Like there are probably rules against relationships with the person who also takes your pee samples for drug tests.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Tripon on September 11, 2020, 06:01:36 PM
https://twitter.com/DanWoikeSports/status/1304538002459422721
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 11, 2020, 06:31:09 PM
Not unexpected although I kinda wish the nba had kept the personal details out of it. You can just tell the player and don't have to alert anybody else kinda like a failed drug test. It is what it is.


Game 7 tonight. I expect the Celtics to win as I legit think they are the better team but the Raptors have played spoiler all series.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Tripon on September 11, 2020, 07:30:58 PM
I think the details would have come out regardless, since it's a potential health issue. Shame, there's pics of his wife and 3 kids floating around, so dude wrecked his marriage for a booty call.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 11, 2020, 09:26:58 PM
I don't know nothing about basketball but I think the Raptors are going to win. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 11, 2020, 09:33:19 PM
why are they called the celtics with a soft c?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 11, 2020, 10:03:04 PM
I don't know nothing about basketball but Raptors are killing it. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: VomKriege on September 11, 2020, 10:09:54 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on September 11, 2020, 09:33:19 PM
why are they called the celtics with a soft c?

Not to be confused with Cal Tech.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 11, 2020, 10:14:13 PM
The Boston Cal Techs?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 11, 2020, 11:51:21 PM
Good effort from Toronto all series but Boston just a bit too talented.

Boston versus Miami.

My brain says Boston but Miami has been really great all play-offs. I think I've overlooked them because I find it hard to have a historical comparison for what kind of team they are. Should be a good match-up though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: El Babua on September 11, 2020, 11:58:51 PM
Don't think we match up too well against Boston.

Heat might have to drag things down to the mud like Toronto tried tonight. Robinson has to shoot better than the last series. If both him and Herro get things going, it would help a lot.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 12, 2020, 12:08:44 AM
I don't actually understand the matchups in that series. Both teams are full of these long wings that can switch and do a little of everything. It's like this modern version of basketball that is fundamentally different to me than something like the Lakers or even the Clippers who are a bit in that mold too but who I understand a lot more.

I didn't watch a lot of Miami basketball all season until that bucks series and that seemed like a team by committee where you shoot a lot of three's, ride whoever is hot for the game, and just play great D. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: El Babua on September 12, 2020, 12:16:51 AM
You're right for the most part. Boston's wings are younger, more athletic and can do just a bit more. Jimmy's probably going to facilitate when he's on the floor. Dragic will also have a hard time guarding Kemba.

Shorter lineups during the playoffs, but this Heat team is very deep and still has a few people that haven't had much playoff action. Both Nunn and Olynik contributed a lot during the regular season, but haven't seen too many playoff minutes.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 12, 2020, 08:37:38 PM
Houston is pretty shorthanded but they also look like they just want to be gone from the bubble.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: ToxicAdam on September 12, 2020, 10:42:43 PM
Rockets are going to have an interesting offseason. Not even sure what you do.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 13, 2020, 12:41:29 AM
Lakers were pretty impressive once they went small. No matter what happens here on out, I'm satisfied with the season. This is about as far as I expected them to go with a kind of cobbled together lineup for this year.

The Rockets are basically just at their cap. Westbrook isn't a great fit for that system which values only 3 point shooting. They can keep on running it back and they would always be a tough team that could reach the final 8 in the playoffs probably but they just aren't good enough to get beyond that. And its not like they have cap room or draft picks to improve anymore.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 13, 2020, 04:05:02 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1305205037354954752
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 13, 2020, 04:22:01 PM
Not sure why the clippers are choking on finishing off the nuggets. Not a great look. That team has so much talent but its crazy how they just turn it off so much.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 15, 2020, 01:26:22 PM
Game 7 tonight Clippers Nuggets.

I mean the clippers have the experience and talent so you'd kind have to be crazy not to pick them but still what a struggle for a series that should have been pretty easy for them. I still label them the favorites to win the whole thing but its certainly a bit worrisome how low gear they can be.

And if that lose tonight what a disaster that would be.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: El Babua on September 15, 2020, 01:42:08 PM
They should only get worried if they get a 20 point lead  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 15, 2020, 09:09:30 PM
Heat kinda blow what should have been the game winner and instead go to ot
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 15, 2020, 09:24:50 PM
huge drive by butler there
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 15, 2020, 09:27:12 PM
dat block
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 15, 2020, 09:28:31 PM
https://twitter.com/LegionHoops/status/1306041160150867968
https://twitter.com/TrashTalk_fr/status/1306041694455058433
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: ToxicAdam on September 15, 2020, 09:35:03 PM
Glad Miami won after that iffy call at the end of regulation that let Boston tie it up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Akala on September 15, 2020, 11:10:07 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 15, 2020, 11:12:01 PM
Denver is rolling them at the moment but I still fear the clip comeback.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 15, 2020, 11:29:28 PM
HOLY FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 15, 2020, 11:30:45 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/LAClippers/

They set the subreddit to private

 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Akala on September 15, 2020, 11:35:55 PM
the Disrespect! Wild.

Honestly wanted LA v LA but this is a lot funnier.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 15, 2020, 11:36:36 PM
Absolutely Stunning. I feel bad for Kawhi but Paul George and Pat Beverly deserve that shit for karma.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 15, 2020, 11:47:15 PM
I hate Stephen A but still

https://twitter.com/stephenasmith/status/1306074830425522184
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 15, 2020, 11:55:43 PM
https://twitter.com/Dame_Lillard/status/1306073698512769024
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 15, 2020, 11:58:03 PM
Quote from: Akala link=topic=34662.msg2920158#msg2920158

Honestly wanted LA v LA

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1306074351133814784

Last asshole post from me tonight. I legit can sympathize with them. The Heat losing that year to the Mavericks hurt my soul. It's not fun when you are gonna get so much shit for like a year.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: benjipwns on September 16, 2020, 12:06:51 AM
Guess I'll be keeping the Bol Bol tag for at least another four games. :omg
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 16, 2020, 12:15:32 AM
okay this is REALLY the last one.

https://twitter.com/CJMcCollum/status/1306073845342691330
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 16, 2020, 11:43:18 AM
Won't even lie. I was so buzzing after that clippers game, I couldn't sleep for hours.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 16, 2020, 04:01:32 PM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1306308416428797956
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 17, 2020, 09:41:24 PM
Heat up 2-0. Never thought Jimmy Butler could be the best player on a championship contending team. Especially when the 2nd best player is .... I'm not even sure who that is on the Heat because they have a lot of capable players but maybe not another conventional "star".
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 17, 2020, 10:44:52 PM
https://twitter.com/GwashburnGlobe/status/1306771306613014528
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 18, 2020, 11:37:52 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu6Ie8t8TEk

Love this guy's channel. Just analysis. No he wanted it more, This guy has more heart, etc. I can't watch that stuff anymore.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Akala on September 18, 2020, 09:52:22 PM
Man lakers match up great. Barring injury it’s finals time.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 18, 2020, 09:57:44 PM
I didn't want to jinx it but yeah I think the Lakers match-up well against the Nuggets. They have plenty of big men to throw at Jokic. And I don't think they play especially good defense.(The Nuggets I mean)

And murray is great but I don't fear him 1 on 1 the way I do a Harden or Lillard.

But the nuggets have been a killer 2nd half team so its probably best to just wait and see what happens.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Akala on September 18, 2020, 10:16:23 PM
Bricks! They should be up by 20.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: benjipwns on September 18, 2020, 10:23:22 PM
Only 11 points? The Nuggets might need to get down double that to wake up in a Game One.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 18, 2020, 11:00:12 PM
Killer lakers quarter there.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 18, 2020, 11:03:06 PM
My role is normally debbie downer with the teams I root for but outside of those first games in the two prior series, the Lakers have looked terrific these playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 18, 2020, 11:15:05 PM
back to debbie downer for a sec. I hate when the lakers get a big lead and Lebron decides to slow down the game to pad his assist numbers. The offense always goes to shit.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Akala on September 18, 2020, 11:59:21 PM
Ha. After 3rd wasn’t really any more game. Kinda tuned out for most of the 4th.

Want the Celtics/heat to go to 6 or 7.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: benjipwns on September 19, 2020, 12:02:36 AM
Nuggets just getting comfortable, they need to feel down in the series too.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 19, 2020, 12:11:10 AM
I want to root for the nuggets but they are called the fucking nuggets.  Like the announcer called one player 'a nugget'. 
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 19, 2020, 06:11:26 PM
Quote from: Madrun Badrun on September 19, 2020, 12:11:10 AM
I want to root for the nuggets but they are called the fucking nuggets.  Like the announcer called one player 'a nugget'. 

Rename the team The Wendy's Spicy Nugs
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Akala on September 20, 2020, 09:25:58 PM
Man you cannot let them mugs stick around.  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 20, 2020, 09:28:25 PM
Rondo trying hard to throw game tonight
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 20, 2020, 10:02:20 PM
Lebron putrid in the 2nd half
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 20, 2020, 10:10:01 PM
Holy Fuck. Amazing. Lakers played awful. AD saved them
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 20, 2020, 10:11:51 PM
Intense end
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 20, 2020, 10:12:47 PM
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1307864627045257217
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 20, 2020, 10:13:31 PM
Have to feel good in a sense because the Lakers played like dog shit and still were able to steal that one.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: benjipwns on September 22, 2020, 11:47:05 PM
Quote
The Chicago Bulls have hired former Oklahoma City Thunder head coach Billy Donovan as their new head coach, the team announced Tuesday.

Arturas Karnisovas, the Bulls' executive vice president of basketball operations, aggressively pursued Donovan after the coach left the Oklahoma City Thunder, sources said, selling Donovan on a partnership and vision for a talented young roster and a chance to lead one of the league's anchor franchises.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 23, 2020, 01:42:04 AM
After that first game Lakers are lucky to not be down 2-1. They've kinda played like crap since then. I think they should go small. Less Dwight and McGee. More like how they played with the rockets with more shooting on the floor.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 23, 2020, 11:58:51 AM
btw this pissed me off. Terrified to shoot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR3KdzCtXH4
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 23, 2020, 11:41:08 PM
Good game but the Heat are now one away from the finals
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 24, 2020, 11:35:40 PM
Lakers take it but that was a close game all the way through. My stomach was clenched the entire game.

edit: Murray was also ridiculous that game. Some of those shots he with the degree of difficulty were nuts.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 26, 2020, 10:34:09 PM
Gotta give it to Dwight he's played killer these last two games. And Dwight had a tendency to play good for a couple of minutes and then start playing like an idiot. But he's evened it out here.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Akala on September 26, 2020, 10:54:31 PM
Man letting them boys in.  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 26, 2020, 10:58:37 PM
Kuzma and Morris threw away the third quarter in like 2 minutes
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Akala on September 26, 2020, 11:12:50 PM
If they let Murray hobble it in  :lol

Good on the kid fighting through, see why but but not sure it’s the way to have him out to close.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 26, 2020, 11:30:30 PM
Lebron killing it here
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Akala on September 26, 2020, 11:30:57 PM
Actually he is getting around ok. Bron is just feeling it and taking over.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 26, 2020, 11:40:02 PM
Good series. It was closer than the 4-1 series tally will indicate.

Lebron was huge of course. Dwight Howard was also huge and I certainly wasn't expecting that.

Kyle Kuzma was ass this entire series. Just wanted to get that said.


Nuggets have a super bright future. I was super impressed of course by Murray & Jokic but Jermai Grant has improved so much its crazy. That dude is a real problem and matchup nightmare when he's feeling it.

It's weird. On paper I should want the Lakers to play the Heat but the Heat feel like this weird ass Maverick/Spurs team that scares the crap out of me. I feel like Boston is the much more traditional and easier matchup in a way. Whatever.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 27, 2020, 09:06:34 PM
Crazy how much these two teams use zone.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 27, 2020, 09:52:49 PM
Boston in trouble here
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 27, 2020, 09:59:54 PM
Welp Lakers versus Heat. Should be interesting. I'm a bit scared.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Unbreakable Bubble)
Post by: El Babua on September 27, 2020, 10:09:08 PM
 :whew
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 1 - Wednesday 8:30)
Post by: Akala on September 27, 2020, 10:38:09 PM
Pretty good series, pretty closely matched but Heat were savage late.

I am thinking Lakers in 6 assuming everyone plays pretty close to how they’ve done so far but who knows.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 1 - Wednesday 8:30)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 27, 2020, 11:36:50 PM
Clearly the Lakers have advantages in certain areas. Like having the two best players in the series by far. But that Heat zone will give the Lakers problems with their lack of three point shooting. And they will try to handle Lebron the same way they handled Giannis which they were very effective with. I think Lebron is both a better shooter and passer than Giannis but still its something to be concerned about.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 1 - Wednesday 9:00)
Post by: ToxicAdam on September 28, 2020, 03:10:30 AM
I’m curious how Bam handles that two headed monster coming at him all game. He hasn’t really had to be tested like this defensively all playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 1 - Wednesday 9:00)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 28, 2020, 05:48:14 PM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29995811/doc-rivers-la-clippers-head-coach-sources-say

Doc Rivers let go
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 1 - Wednesday 9:00)
Post by: Akala on September 28, 2020, 08:05:36 PM
Doc prob heading to the pels lol.

Lue is already in the building for the clips if he doesn't get the Philly job.



Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 1 - Wednesday 9:00)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 28, 2020, 10:26:09 PM
I don't understand why Jeff Van Gundy gets mentioned every off-season as someone people are looking to hire. Is this a lazy writer thing or is Jeff's agent out there pushing this. Dude hasn't coached since 2007 which is a completely different era in basketball terms.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 1 - Wednesday 9:00)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 28, 2020, 11:41:17 PM
JVG ain’t going anywhere, he has a kushy as hell job commentating.  Probably his agents floating his name around to get ESPN to try and retain him with better compensation.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 1 - Wednesday 9:00)
Post by: benjipwns on September 29, 2020, 11:07:56 AM
Jeff Van Gundy is the last Knicks coach to never miss the playoffs. That makes him pretty much a god in NYC-centric media. He could probably run for mayor if he wanted to.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 1 - Wednesday 9:00)
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 29, 2020, 11:59:04 AM
I just found out Kendrick Perkins is 35, I assumed he was about 10 years older than that :titus
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 1 - Wednesday 9:00)
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 30, 2020, 09:31:11 PM
Vogel's first instincts are always wrong. Dwight Howard versus a small quick under-sized 3pt oriented lineup like the heat. Nope!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 1 - Wednesday 9:00)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 01, 2020, 12:41:37 AM
Was busy so couldn't post after that first one but man that was brutal for the Heat on all levels. Haven't checked the injury report yet on Bam to see how bad it was. Hopefully it wasn't series ending.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 1 - Wednesday 9:00)
Post by: benjipwns on October 01, 2020, 12:50:58 AM
Shoulder strain, will play in game two
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 2 - Friday 9:00)
Post by: El Babua on October 01, 2020, 01:20:45 AM
Hope Dragic recovers :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 2 - Friday 9:00)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 01, 2020, 03:39:06 AM
https://twitter.com/UnwrittenRul3s/status/1311550104277377029

nuts!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 2 - Friday 9:00)
Post by: Akala on October 01, 2020, 09:33:54 AM
I didn't get to see whole thing, but game I guess swung hard late in the 1st. when I turned on Heat were already up like 10, then Lakers went on a run to come ahead a bit. I turned it back on a bit later and saw they were up almost 30 and kind of checked out.

as far as injuries, hope nothing serious or lingering for anyone.  :-\

Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 01, 2020, 03:39:06 AM
nuts!

Hollywood Rondo  :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 2 - Friday 9:00)
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 01, 2020, 09:49:22 AM
As expected Miami has no answers for AD. If he plays well, Miami will just lose. Maybe Spo can pull some tricks as the series plays on.

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 2 - Friday 9:00)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 01, 2020, 02:43:22 PM
https://twitter.com/MiamiHEAT/status/1311729161568956424
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 2 - Friday 9:00)
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 01, 2020, 02:55:17 PM
Now watch Anthony Davis fall to bits in the next game :stahp
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 2 - Friday 9:00)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 01, 2020, 05:48:48 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1311782806780088322
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 2 - Friday 9:00)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 01, 2020, 07:59:53 PM
https://twitter.com/alec_sturm/status/1311707180907855872
https://twitter.com/espn/status/1311706101495345155

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b97zJxKEqAk
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 2 - Friday 9:00)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 02, 2020, 10:35:42 PM
Lakers rolling. AD deadly.  Unfortunate situation for the Heat.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 3 - Sunday 7:30)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 04, 2020, 05:39:30 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1312868367972339714
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 3 - Sunday 7:30)
Post by: Akala on October 04, 2020, 07:14:51 PM
Yep out.

Nice fluff piece that says Rondo actually interested in front in a few years.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30023849/nba-finals-rehabilitation-rajon-rondo

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 3 - Sunday 7:30)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 04, 2020, 08:53:25 PM
Good half for the Heat. That being said, I thought the Lakers played as bad as they could possibly play and are only down 4 so that bodes well for them in the 2nd half if they just clean things up.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 3 - Sunday 7:30)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 04, 2020, 09:12:29 PM
lol they are trying to play even worse here in the 2nd half
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 3 - Sunday 7:30)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 04, 2020, 09:43:21 PM
Tight one. Easily best game so far.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 3 - Sunday 7:30)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 04, 2020, 09:53:48 PM
4 minutes left but I think the heat got this one. Lakers just haven't been in control the entire game. Butler killed them all night.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 3 - Sunday 7:30)
Post by: Akala on October 04, 2020, 10:11:14 PM
Fun game, Jimmy carrying!

I don’t see that happening again tbh but hopefully heat get some guys back and we get good games.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 4 - Tuesday 9:00)
Post by: Beezy on October 05, 2020, 08:06:21 AM
https://twitter.com/loganmmurdock/status/1312937572125958144
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 4 - Tuesday 9:00)
Post by: Akala on October 06, 2020, 11:26:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy00FgZNias&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=NBA2K
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 4 - Tuesday 9:00)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 06, 2020, 12:44:01 PM
It looks good but I honestly think we are basically at the point of diminishing returns when it comes to basketball game graphics. Like the graphical leaps now are just trying to mimic reality and that is hard to do. Like I think almost something like NBA street would do better in that regard because your limitations aren't reality.

That being said, I think there is always room for improvement in animation quality and control and things you actually feel you when play the game versus things you see.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 4 - Tuesday 9:00)
Post by: Akala on October 06, 2020, 01:01:30 PM
My Mom already can't tell the difference between 2k and live NBA.  :lol :whatisthis

I'll probably get next year's XSX or PS5 depending on reviews, assuming they don't drop price on this madly on black Friday sales. I am guessing 21 will be good for the (tentative) upcoming season kicking off in what, January?

*edit* also, aside from of course load times, which I am looking forward to I agree most of what we'll get improvements on for next gen will be canned stuff, additional models on screen, etc. and we may not get too much more advancement in player models this gen. RT would help but not sure how much of that we'll get on consoles. 

pretty fearful of the size on a smaller drive though.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 4 - Tuesday 9:00)
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 06, 2020, 03:45:53 PM
So either 2k have an incredible new engine or that trailer is some prime bullshit :gladbron

I’m leaning towards bullshit :shaq2
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 4 - Tuesday 9:00)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 06, 2020, 04:54:00 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1313576977358520321
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 4 - Tuesday 9:00)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 06, 2020, 10:52:31 PM
Miami zone causing all kind of problems for the Lakers. It's basically turned them into a jump shooting team. They are getting no free throws
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 4 - Tuesday 9:00)
Post by: Akala on October 06, 2020, 11:19:57 PM
Good game. Glad AD ok.

Also:
https://youtu.be/0S8PK2SRU8w
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 4 - Tuesday 9:00)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 06, 2020, 11:37:37 PM
AD with the dagger. KCP also made some great shots down the stretch. That was a really good tight game all through out.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 4 - Tuesday 9:00)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 06, 2020, 11:43:44 PM
I gotta give it to Jimmy Butler. He's played so much better than I thought he was. I mean I knew Jimmy butler was a good nba player but he's a notch above where I envisioned him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 5 - Friday 9:00)
Post by: Steve Contra on October 07, 2020, 12:47:42 PM
Apparently finals ratings are down 60% from last year, which featured a Canadian team. There's tons of reasons, but I hope some of it's due to fatigue with teams just buying talent until they win.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 5 - Friday 9:00)
Post by: Akala on October 07, 2020, 03:16:11 PM
it worked for the clips!
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 5 - Friday 9:00)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 07, 2020, 04:12:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0tn9QRJMec
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 5 - Friday 9:00)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 09, 2020, 10:07:45 PM
Lebron and Jimmy going off. The Lakers look slow footed tonight otherwise though
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 5 - Friday 9:00)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 09, 2020, 10:57:41 PM
Tight game but Lakers keep making bail out boneheaded plays like fouling on 3 pointers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 5 - Friday 9:00)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 09, 2020, 11:04:42 PM
This feels like a heat win
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 5 - Friday 9:00)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 09, 2020, 11:19:11 PM
Lakers making a run here
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 5 - Friday 9:00)
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 09, 2020, 11:21:58 PM
Just woke up and put it on, just as the heat fall apart :pimp
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 5 - Friday 9:00)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 09, 2020, 11:32:51 PM
What a game. Down to the wire.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 5 - Friday 9:00)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 09, 2020, 11:38:33 PM
And Morris throws away the game.

 :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 5 - Friday 9:00)
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 09, 2020, 11:39:23 PM
:fbm
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 5 - Friday 9:00)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 09, 2020, 11:43:00 PM
23 minutes. No points. 3 turnovers. Morris.

Why was Morris on the floor? C'mon Vogel. It was pretty clear he was rattled for most of the game. All his turnovers were terrible.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 5 - Friday 9:00)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 09, 2020, 11:46:30 PM
Well played by the Heat. Have to give them credit. They are not going away. And Butler continues to play at an exceptional level. He looks like a top three player in the league out there against the Lakers.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 5 - Friday 9:00)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 09, 2020, 11:49:56 PM
15-21 by Lebron
9-15 Davis.

And Lakers throw it away.

 :yuck
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 5 - Friday 9:00)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 10, 2020, 12:06:45 AM
I'm so pissed I won't be going to bed tonight at a proper time. Well let's what movie I can watch now to burn off the anger.

 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 6 - Sunday 7:30)
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 10, 2020, 11:05:21 AM
You can’t really get mad at those role players for the Lakers, that’s who they are.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 6 - Sunday 7:30)
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 10, 2020, 11:13:50 AM
Might as well have let JR Smith take a big swig from a bottle of henny and sent him in for that last 15 seconds :phil
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 6 - Sunday 7:30)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 10, 2020, 01:29:45 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on October 10, 2020, 11:05:21 AM
You can’t really get mad at those role players for the Lakers, that’s who they are.

It's frustrating that Danny Green missed the shot as he's been sucking but shots are a percentage thing, even the open ones and that's fine. Morris was an idiot who made an idiotic play. That was a terrible pass to literally nobody when if he just took one second and looked around Lebron was wide open to his right.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 6 - Sunday 7:30)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 11, 2020, 08:19:24 PM
Well whatever happens, I like that the Lakers finally decided to play small with Davis at center. Playing Dwight at center against a small ball mobile lineup this series has been so dumb. As if we didn't learn from the Rockets.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 6 - Sunday 7:30)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 11, 2020, 08:48:45 PM
Lakers look like gods at halftime.

Which only makes me more nervous.   :goty
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 6 - Sunday 7:30)
Post by: Akala on October 11, 2020, 09:10:18 PM
Would be an epic choke. I shoulda bet money on my prediction lol.

Heat honestly not looking bad but got nothing falling for them.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 6 - Sunday 7:30)
Post by: naff on October 11, 2020, 09:12:36 PM
this is savage

in the running for biggest nba finals blowout ever
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 6 - Sunday 7:30)
Post by: El Babua on October 11, 2020, 09:50:48 PM
GG Lakers fans.

Hopefully we can run it back next year. Bam and Herro better train their asses off during the offseason  :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 6 - Sunday 7:30)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 11, 2020, 09:59:00 PM
Lakers gonna win it due to that massive lead but I hate playing prevent offense.

It was a surprisingly competitive series even with the Heat injuries. They played really well. And are a much better team than I thought going into this thing.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers versus Heat. Game 6 - Sunday 7:30)
Post by: El Babua on October 11, 2020, 10:00:06 PM
Happy to see Lebron get his 4th

We really aren't going to see another one like him
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers win bubble title)
Post by: team filler on October 11, 2020, 10:10:07 PM
will there be a parade? will it be in the bubble?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers win bubble title)
Post by: Yulwei on October 11, 2020, 10:13:37 PM
Bron haters can no longer cope
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers win bubble title)
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 11, 2020, 10:14:38 PM
What if I told you three years ago a team with Dwight Howard, JR Smith, Dion Waiters and Rondo won an NBA title?

Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers win bubble title)
Post by: team filler on October 11, 2020, 10:16:02 PM
Quote from: Yulwei on October 11, 2020, 10:13:37 PM
Bron haters can no longer cope
I gave that up after he won in cleveland. he's like the money mayweather of basketball
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers win bubble title)
Post by: El Babua on October 11, 2020, 10:19:20 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on October 11, 2020, 10:14:38 PM
What if I told you three years ago a team with Dwight Howard, JR Smith, Dion Waiters and Rondo won an NBA title?

Me 3 years ago: "Damn the Kings probably got Lebron then"
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers win bubble title)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 11, 2020, 10:19:42 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on October 11, 2020, 10:14:38 PM
What if I told you three years ago a team with Dwight Howard, JR Smith, Dion Waiters and Rondo won an NBA title?

I was just about to post JR smith has two rings. What kind of world is this?
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers win bubble title)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 11, 2020, 10:29:17 PM
Whole bubble experience turned out to be a lot better than I expected. No corona got spread around. The games were competitive and fun. No home court advantage. Nice social justice messages from a sports league. etc. Good experience.
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers win bubble title)
Post by: Pissy F Benny on October 11, 2020, 10:43:43 PM
:gladbron

Lakers did well to sneak in a title before Lamelo dominates the league for the next 15 years :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread (Lakers win bubble title)
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 12, 2020, 11:24:26 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PT3_dkUGDA

just fyi, I'm taking a bit of a hiatus from the bore. I may be back around for the next season or so. If anyone wants to take over the thread and make silly thread titles just pm one of the mods. I'm sure they can rip the opening post from me and hand it to somebody else so you can change thread titles. See you gents next year some time.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 14, 2020, 09:19:06 AM
The first part of the Bill Simmons podcast is really good where they interview Jared Dudley. Gives you real insight into what went on in the bubble while playing for the Lakers. Check it out.

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on October 14, 2020, 02:55:07 PM
no damn parade  :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 14, 2020, 10:54:29 PM
The Van Gundy's are both back!
Quote
Stan Van Gundy met with New Orleans Pelicans officials on Tuesday, emerging as one of four expected finalists for the franchise's coaching job, sources told ESPN.
Quote
Clippers assistant coach Ty Lue's candidacy for the Rockets' head-coaching job has gathered significant momentum after a meeting with Houston's ownership and management Monday, sources told ESPN.

The Rockets are competing with the Clippers for Lue and could try to extend an offer before Los Angeles has completed its search process, but that wasn't expected to happen before Houston met with former coach Jeff Van Gundy this week, sources said.

Van Gundy met with Rockets ownership and management Wednesday about the job, and conversations with the team will continue Thursday, sources said.

Both Lue and Van Gundy are prominent parts of the Rockets' and Clippers' coaching searches -- and Lue has been the Clippers' front-runner since Doc Rivers was dismissed on Sept. 28, sources said.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 15, 2020, 03:26:19 PM
Morey out:
Quote
Houston Rockets general manager Daryl Morey is stepping down, sources told ESPN.

Lue in, with the Clips:
Quote
Ty Lue has agreed to a five-year deal to become the next head coach of the LA Clippers, sources told ESPN on Thursday.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on October 15, 2020, 03:38:32 PM
China won
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 23, 2020, 02:41:32 AM
https://twitter.com/realStanVG/status/1318986910040264704
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Akala on October 23, 2020, 10:31:55 AM
 :journo
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2020, 09:28:19 PM
Quote
The NBA is pursuing a pre-Christmas Day start and a reduced regular-season schedule for the 2020-2021 season, abandoning plans to delay the opening with hopes of incorporating fans back into arenas, sources told ESPN.

Amid the coronavirus pandemic, the NBA is proposing several changes to next season that include a 72-game regular season, a play-in tournament and the likelihood of no All-Star Game or All-Star Weekend in Indianapolis, sources said. The league is considering a two-week break at the midway point of the season, sources said.

The NBA shared these plans in a call with the league's board of governors on Friday afternoon, and the league plans to move quickly to complete negotiations with the National Basketball Players Association to implement the plan, sources said.

The reduction in regular-season games -- which would help accommodate a play-in tournament format for both conferences -- allows the NBA to finish the season before the Summer Olympics in Japan.
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Quote from: benjipwns on March 11, 2020, 10:54:26 PM
This is a secret attempt to test 70 game season. :karen
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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2020, 09:40:47 AM
Quote
The Houston Rockets are hiring Dallas Mavericks assistant Stephen Silas to become the franchise's next head coach, sources told ESPN.

Silas and the Rockets agreed to a four-year contract Wednesday, and a formal announcement was expected soon, sources said.
Quote
Former Houston Rockets general manager Daryl Morey is finalizing a deal to become the Philadelphia 76ers' new president of basketball operations, sources told ESPN.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 31, 2020, 03:18:31 AM
Quote
Mike D'Antoni will be an assistant coach with the Brooklyn Nets, reuniting him with his former MVP point guard, Nets coach Steve Nash, the team announced Friday.

The Nets announced the hires of D'Antoni, Amar'e Stoudemire and well-regarded assistant Ime Udoka
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 15, 2020, 02:53:56 PM
Quote from: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30321409/sources-los-angeles-lakers-talks-acquire-dennis-schroder-oklahoma-city-thunder
Lakers get: Dennis Schroder

Thunder get: Danny Green, 2020 first-round draft pick (No. 28)


Note: This expected trade can be formally agreed to in principle on Monday and finalized after the Lakers make their first-round pick (No. 28) on Wednesday.
collusion!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 16, 2020, 05:33:45 PM
CP3 DEAL
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1328400422445461505

Plus Harden reportedly wants a deal to the Nets
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 16, 2020, 11:45:39 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1328557876999237632
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1328555067088269314

 :drudge
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on November 18, 2020, 07:29:18 PM
klay's achilles  :fbm

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1329492642896470016

confirmed  :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 19, 2020, 03:21:16 PM
Quote
The New York Knicks have declined the $15.75 million team option on forward Bobby Portis and the $1.7 million team option on guard Theo Pinson. New York also waived guards Elfrid Payton and Wayne Ellington and center Taj Gibson, all of whom had partially guaranteed contracts for 2020-21. The moves free up $40 million in cap space for the Knicks.
I like Bobby Portis and Elfrid Payton, they deserve to be backups on a good team instead of playing for the Knicks.

Quote
The Dallas Mavericks have dealt Seth Curry to the Philadelphia 76ers for Josh Richardson and the No. 36 pick in the 2020 NBA draft (Tyler Bey), a source told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.
I like this trade too for both teams.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 19, 2020, 10:50:14 PM
Warriors hopped on the one piece I thought OKC might want to keep:
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The Golden State Warriors are finalizing a trade to acquire Oklahoma City Thunder forward Kelly Oubre Jr. for a 2021 protected first-round NBA draft pick, sources told ESPN.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 21, 2020, 08:42:30 PM
Steven Adams to Pelicans as part of that Jrue deal now.

Quote from: benjipwns on November 19, 2020, 03:21:16 PM
I like Bobby Portis and Elfrid Payton, they deserve to be backups on a good team instead of playing for the Knicks.
Quote
Guard Elfrid Payton has agreed to one-year, $5 million deal with the New York Knicks, agents Aaron Mintz and Ty Sullivan of CAA Basketball tell ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.
:nope

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Forward Bobby Portis has agreed to a two-year, $7.5 million deal with the Milwaukee Bucks, his agent, Mark Bartelstein of Priority Sports, told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.
:ohyeah
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 21, 2020, 08:57:46 PM
bobby portis solves none of milwaukee’s problems
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 21, 2020, 09:01:38 PM
FACT CHECK: When Budenholzer sees that defense he won't play him over Giannis down the stretch of an important playoff game. :karen
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on November 23, 2020, 05:02:49 PM
https://twitter.com/realtuffjuice/status/1330888905894162433

 :tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on December 02, 2020, 08:30:48 PM
https://twitter.com/Kofie/status/1334302079561699328
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 03, 2020, 12:54:12 AM
What a strange trade. It's almost like they traded because nobody else would trade with them. Both teams might be worse off after the deal, Houston "wins" just because they managed to get a first rounder.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on December 04, 2020, 04:48:42 PM
https://twitter.com/Alex__Schiffer/status/1334954046449479693

 :hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on December 05, 2020, 05:54:15 PM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1335295758371876865
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on December 06, 2020, 03:03:57 AM
https://twitter.com/Dubs408/status/1335039505489821697

https://twitter.com/cmkuiper/status/1335066874137042946


Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 06, 2020, 03:07:29 AM
https://twitter.com/PeakLuka/status/1335247291935043585

 :ohhh
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 06, 2020, 03:16:29 AM
FACT CHECK: Heat will start after 74 days, I can't believe someone on Twitter would just lie like that :karen
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 08, 2020, 03:36:37 AM
https://twitter.com/RohanNadkarni/status/1336046606752174080

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https://twitter.com/RohanNadkarni/status/1336082820230311937
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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 08, 2020, 03:37:45 AM
I’d trade him to the knicks for that :rash
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 08, 2020, 11:32:11 PM
Harden blinked first:
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James Harden indicated to the Houston Rockets before training camp that he would be open to a trade to the Philadelphia 76ers or possibly other contenders, sources told ESPN.

After it was clear there was no traction in talks with the Nets, Harden expressed to the Rockets that he would be agreeable if a trade with the 76ers materialized, sources said. Harden also indicated that other teams could fit his criteria for a preferred destination, a source said.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on December 10, 2020, 01:53:12 PM
https://twitter.com/MattAudacity/status/1337103728390729728
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 16, 2020, 10:42:51 AM
Quote from: Piss Benoit on December 08, 2020, 03:37:45 AM
I’d trade him to the knicks for that :rash

They might be the only team that’d take him now :tocry

(https://i.imgur.com/PvpCEwH.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 16, 2020, 12:20:27 PM
Absolute unit :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on December 18, 2020, 10:12:03 PM
https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1339971319429885952


 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on December 24, 2020, 01:08:28 AM
https://twitter.com/NekiasNBA/status/1341836714499846144
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on December 27, 2020, 04:41:25 PM
https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/status/1343308930664038401


 :titus
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Pissy F Benny on December 27, 2020, 05:10:30 PM
Fuck the clippers :pacspit
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on December 28, 2020, 05:40:21 PM
https://twitter.com/NBAonTNT/status/1343667237459283970

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on January 02, 2021, 06:40:34 PM
https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1345434153974685697

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 17, 2021, 11:55:43 AM
https://twitter.com/SDinwiddie_25/status/1350258104026472449
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 23, 2021, 12:53:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3A-0oj-YxE
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 07, 2021, 12:23:58 AM
https://twitter.com/statmuse/status/1358267608638709763

spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/_HoodieFox/status/1358258007180673024
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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on February 07, 2021, 12:57:44 AM
is kwame still playing somewhere?  ymca league?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 07, 2021, 03:23:06 AM
Might as well pimp this here, I moved my little stats project over to Wordpress: https://benjistats.wordpress.com/

Adding season profiles semi-regularly. I'll use the "blog" more for "articles" or writeups of some kind. Going to start explaining some of the stats/awards/etc. in more detail very soon I just wanted to get a bunch of the season profiles up so I can reference them. Have a bunch of other silly ideas for things. Will do Lists like every blog, Top Ten Best Seasons of Tom Boerwinkle, that kind of thing.

Yay, basketball.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 09, 2021, 09:35:54 PM
https://twitter.com/johnschuhmann/status/1359321174539444230

https://twitter.com/TalkinNets/status/1359296480562061312
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on February 09, 2021, 10:03:11 PM
new york the mecca of basketball  :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on February 10, 2021, 10:29:03 AM
https://twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1359338956274479107
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 15, 2021, 03:56:28 PM
Andre Drummond and Blake Griffin both getting sat so they don't injure themselves before a trade/buyout.

ESPN wants them both on the Nets. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 18, 2021, 08:28:02 PM
https://twitter.com/ItaloSantana_1/status/1362562729786097664
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on February 19, 2021, 11:12:35 PM
https://twitter.com/MikeTaddow/status/1362976545204178945


https://twitter.com/TaylorRooks/status/1362977394735403008
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on February 21, 2021, 06:52:04 PM
https://twitter.com/BulletClubIta/status/1363633395411128323


oh kemba  :heart
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 21, 2021, 08:47:09 PM
https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/30941197
Quote
Thunder rookie Aleksej Pokusevski calls for the ball while on the bench and his teammate passes to him
:dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on February 21, 2021, 09:37:24 PM
 :neogaf :mindblown
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 21, 2021, 10:42:08 PM
https://twitter.com/RealSkipBayless/status/1363693158328979459
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 23, 2021, 09:05:02 PM
Boogie Cousins waived by the Rockets, lots of Laker fans on Twitter seem to want him.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Akala on February 23, 2021, 09:15:31 PM
I wonder if he's kinda mad. Go get that ring Boog  :rejoice
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 23, 2021, 09:21:29 PM
It's apparently mutual, the Rockets guaranteed his contract before they waived him. He doesn't want to only be a backup and they only want to play Christian Wood (when healthy) at center.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 25, 2021, 11:00:58 PM
https://twitter.com/juicewyd/status/1365141561303007237
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on February 27, 2021, 01:27:54 PM
https://twitter.com/MikeTaddow/status/1365664408706428932


 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on March 05, 2021, 05:41:57 AM
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1367651062551777281


 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on March 06, 2021, 03:59:29 PM
https://twitter.com/ringernba/status/1368301224525582336

 :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on March 09, 2021, 08:06:33 PM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1369447574101442569

https://twitter.com/SixersDee/status/1369363729104703489


https://twitter.com/KingHassan__/status/1369448117867851779

 :dead


I'd say it's a perfect fit if he goes to the jazz, but I think they prefer n bombs out there
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on March 09, 2021, 08:33:17 PM
it just keeps getting better  :lol


https://twitter.com/UltraWeedHater/status/1369458198973984772


 :neogaf
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 17, 2021, 08:54:51 PM
Quote from: team filler on March 09, 2021, 08:06:33 PM
I'd say it's a perfect fit if he goes to the jazz, but I think they prefer n bombs out there
Not quite:
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The Oklahoma City Thunder have completed a trade sending forward Trevor Ariza to the Miami Heat for forward Meyers Leonard and a 2027 second-round pick, the team announced Wednesday.

The deal also generated a trade exception for the Thunder.

Leonard will not be an active part of the Thunder moving forward and will not report to Oklahoma City
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 22, 2021, 10:52:05 PM
https://twitter.com/HoHighlights/status/1374160913717207040

 :dead ouch
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 24, 2021, 10:11:53 PM
https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1374487431651627029
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on March 25, 2021, 12:18:50 PM
 :lol

https://twitter.com/EvanFourmizz/status/1375118710705422344
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2021, 03:55:13 PM
so many trades :mouf

Quote
Oklahoma City now has a projected 34 draft picks over the next seven years -- 17 first-round picks and 17 second-rounders.
:whoo
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on March 30, 2021, 05:33:29 PM
https://twitter.com/MichaelRapaport/status/1376997269107470338


kd rules for this  :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 05, 2021, 11:28:01 PM
extreme filler content:
https://twitter.com/MMcCarthyREV/status/1379210050191900677
https://twitter.com/NBAMemes/status/1379216774755872768
spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1379212738866503680
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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Pissy F Benny on April 06, 2021, 03:34:28 AM
poo pierce :info
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 09, 2021, 12:54:30 AM
https://twitter.com/ClutchPointsApp/status/1380367447052537856

f
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 11, 2021, 05:57:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2v5S4oezXY
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 14, 2021, 02:24:50 AM
torn ACL for Jamal Murray :fbm

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Bol Bol time  :doge
[close]
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 23, 2021, 02:50:32 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMqSqDVFdio

 :whoo

look at Devin Booker :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on May 03, 2021, 01:38:56 PM
https://twitter.com/MannieeGeee/status/1389229285072793602


 :doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on May 17, 2021, 06:40:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei6WE7GL82U
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on May 17, 2021, 10:39:06 PM
https://twitter.com/Ralph_MasonJr/status/1394481782695727107

Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on May 19, 2021, 12:02:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaxaU5FCH-I

 :hesright

kwame da gawd annihilating da haters   :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on May 19, 2021, 05:23:19 AM
https://twitter.com/AlwxyRestricted/status/1394860931130171393


 :beli
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 02, 2021, 11:09:41 AM
https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status/1400094456129507335
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 09, 2021, 08:45:17 PM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31597939/nate-bjorkgren-fired-indiana-pacers-coach-playoff-streak-ends

Went from no coaching slots open to four now.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 09, 2021, 10:58:35 PM
https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1402295035434094592
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2021, 09:53:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyHkRxy581M

rip in pieces embiid
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 22, 2021, 03:10:29 PM
https://twitter.com/Globies/status/1407343004671750150

Do it, Adam Silver, you coward.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: T-Short on June 22, 2021, 04:20:59 PM
https://twitter.com/knicks_tape99/status/1406996929624559617
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 22, 2021, 10:11:08 PM
DEEEEEETRRRRROOOOOIIIIIIITTTTTT BASKETBALLL

time to draft The Next Darko :jeb
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on June 23, 2021, 12:31:02 AM
Suns in 4
https://twitter.com/NateDuncanNBA/status/1407551694003531776
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 26, 2021, 11:54:27 PM
https://twitter.com/espn/status/1408980307789762561
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2021, 09:20:03 AM
ALL ABOARD THE LIFELONG SUNS FAN TRAIN!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 04, 2021, 12:55:48 AM
(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-0/p180x540/213007536_4858695694158916_4617071241096562983_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=kMLUKaE1aNQAX-XvwEv&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-1.xx&tp=6&oh=8dfea0a3ecc6b4c8f98c7ed76eed4e58&oe=60E599D3)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on July 04, 2021, 04:22:03 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 02, 2021, 09:20:03 AM
ALL ABOARD THE LIFELONG SUNS FAN TRAIN!
:success been team sun since barkley and kj were nba jammin'  :-[
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 04, 2021, 06:32:42 AM
go back for some yts like Alvan Adams and Paul Westphal :lawd
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2021, 09:52:19 PM
I'll hate to see these Bucks lose, they do so many things so well, but they've got Giannis locked up so they can make another run or three, you'd think Paul isn't likely to get a better shot and the whole run starting in the bubble to this has been nuts.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2021, 09:58:54 PM
It's crazy to watch Giannis get the ball just be outside and everyone backs up ten feet. Threes are like his Wilt/Shaq FT's.

also lol at saying that about a guy who has averaged 32/14/6 per 36 the last three years, if he could get to Antoine Walker levels on his triples he'd be unstoppable.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2021, 11:07:14 PM
ESPN is finding all the trashiest looking Suns fans :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on July 10, 2021, 04:51:12 AM
Trashy and rich. Uber driver told me tickets are in the thousands 🌵
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2021, 10:08:28 AM
Giannis first guy other than Shaq to have back to back 40+/10+/4+ games in the Finals.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2021, 07:40:31 AM
As a lifelong Bucks fan it was great to see Giannis get 50 to end the 50 year title drought.

Bobby Portis (http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=34662.msg2938855#msg2938855) big scoring game sighting!

Suns offense stagnated too much and they fell back on setting up one-on-ones often I thought.

Quote
Fresh off seeing an NBA champion crowned Tuesday night, oddsmakers have posted the Brooklyn Nets (+225) and Los Angeles Lakers (+400) as the betting favorites for the 2021-22 season.
:doge
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 29, 2021, 09:17:43 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1420858110177120257

Quote from: https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/31913976/nba-trade-grades-adding-russell-westbrook-means-lebron-james-los-angeles-lakers
This trade reminds me of a classic scene from the sitcom "Arrested Development" that has since become a meme: Psychiatrist Tobias Funke notes to his wife, Lindsay, that an open marriage has never worked for anyone he has counseled ... "but it might work for us."
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 04, 2021, 01:25:19 AM
Howard-Davis-Melo-LeBron-Westbrook

This is going to be the best team in NBA 2K15!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 10, 2021, 08:29:02 PM
Luka Doncic already getting that $200+ million extension :whoo

edit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/oyob58/highlight_110mh_race_finishes_before_giannis_gets/
 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on August 11, 2021, 12:30:38 AM
https://twitter.com/crossedsportsig/status/1425284870000058378


 :(
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Pissy F Benny on August 11, 2021, 06:00:55 AM
I miss him in 2k, nearly every shot you took against him was classified as uncontested :tocry
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 12, 2021, 02:11:16 PM
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/08/11/report-lakers-considering-signing-isaiah-thomas-into-open-roster-spot/

Looks like someone could use 81 points a night!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Pissy F Benny on August 12, 2021, 05:44:59 PM
:stahp
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on September 03, 2021, 02:32:09 PM
https://twitter.com/CrypticNoHoes/status/1433825913670615042
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on September 03, 2021, 05:40:00 PM
https://twitter.com/ProCityHoops/status/1433821999852363792
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: team filler on September 18, 2021, 02:08:23 PM
https://twitter.com/ClutchPointsApp/status/1438937500953628677
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Pissy F Benny on September 18, 2021, 02:53:07 PM
clippers :hitler
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on September 23, 2021, 09:39:50 PM
https://twitter.com/Harrison_Grimm/status/1441135430284414982
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on September 25, 2021, 08:33:44 PM
https://twitter.com/HayleyHolme/status/1441492500452032516
https://twitter.com/HayleyHolme/status/1441496242106683394
https://twitter.com/HayleyHolme/status/1441508395496849409
spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/JordanClarksons/status/1441529403859636230
[close]
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 01, 2021, 02:25:59 AM
https://twitter.com/therealmikekb/status/1443736668666740737
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2021, 10:57:44 AM
https://twitter.com/korkedbats/status/1446258806040694784
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 11, 2021, 01:01:10 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 01, 2021, 02:25:59 AM
https://twitter.com/therealmikekb/status/1443736668666740737
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1447574970377412613
https://twitter.com/Go_Sixers_Go/status/1447578719573495815
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 30, 2021, 07:56:15 PM
https://twitter.com/EnesFreedom/status/1465444269687255053
https://twitter.com/EnesFreedom/status/1465722685892218881

 :american
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 24, 2021, 05:37:56 AM
https://twitter.com/dhm/status/1472958413009268738
https://twitter.com/dhm/status/1474132275289800715
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 20, 2022, 11:08:28 PM
Bol Bol era in Detroit :nope

Bol Bol era in Boston :ohyeah

Quote
Celtics get: P.J. Dozier, Bol Bol

Nuggets get: Bryn Forbes

Spurs get: Juancho Hernangomez, 2028 second-round pick (via Denver; top-33 protected), $2.35 million cash
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 08, 2022, 03:32:51 PM
TRADE SEASON :mouf
Quote
Feb. 8: Pacers, Kings work six-player trade

Indiana Pacers get:
Tyrese Haliburton
Buddy Hield
Tristan Thompson


Sacramento Kings get:
Domantas Sabonis
Jeremy Lamb
Justin Holiday
2027 second-round pick
Quote
Feb. 8: Trail Blazers sending CJ McCollum to Pelicans

New Orleans Pelicans get:
CJ McCollum
Larry Nance Jr.
Tony Snell


Portland Trail Blazers get:
Josh Hart
Tomas Satoransky
Nickeil Alexander-Walker
Didi Louzada
2022 protected first-round pick and two second-round picks
Quote
Feb. 6: Cavs trade for Caris LeVert

Cleveland Cavaliers get:
Caris LeVert
2022 second-round pick (via Miami)


Indiana Pacers get:
Ricky Rubio
2022 first-round pick (lottery protected)
2022 second-round pick (via Houston)
2027 second-round pick (via Utah)
Quote
Feb. 4: Clippers acquire Covington and Powell from Trail Blazers

Los Angeles Clippers get:
Robert Covington
Norman Powell


Portland Trail Blazers get:
Eric Bledsoe
Justise Winslow
Keon Johnson
Future second-round pick
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 10, 2022, 06:50:02 PM
So so many trades... :phil
Quote
Feb. 10: Nets-Sixers agree to Simmons-Harden trade

Brooklyn Nets get:
Ben Simmons
Seth Curry
Andre Drummond
2022 first-round pick (right to defer until 2023)
2027 first-round pick (protected 1-8)


Philadelphia 76ers get:
James Harden
Paul Millsap
Quote
Feb. 10: Wizards land Kristaps Porzingis from Mavericks

Washington Wizards get:
Kristaps Porzingis
Future second-round pick


Dallas Mavericks get:
Spencer Dinwiddie
Davis Bertans
Quote
Feb. 10: Bucks get Ibaka in four-team trade

Milwaukee Bucks get:
Serge Ibaka
Two future second-round picks
Cash


Sacramento Kings get:
Donte DiVincenzo
Trey Lyles
Josh Jackson


LA Clippers get:
Rodney Hood
Semi Ojeleye


Detroit Pistons get:
Marvin Bagley III
Quote
Feb. 10: Hornets acquire Montrezl Harrell from Wizards

Charlotte Hornets get:
Montrezl Harrell


Washington Wizards get:
Ish Smith
Vernon Carey Jr.
Won't post em all since almost nobody comes in here anymore anyway: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32965050/nba-trade-tracker-grades-details-every-deal-2021-22-season
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 11, 2022, 06:13:47 PM
Lakers tried to trade Westbook for John Wall again:
Quote
The Lakers engaged the Houston Rockets in discussions centered on a Russell Westbrook-John Wall swap that stalled with the Rockets expressed interest in further compensation beyond the 2017 league MVP, sources told ESPN. L.A. also had traction on a three-team deal involving the Toronto Raptors and New York Knicks on Wednesday, that would have involved trading away third-year guard Talen Horton-Tucker, but that also fell apart because of draft picks that would have needed to be included, sources told ESPN.

Zach Lowe had a better deal idea:
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The Lakers were resistant to offering their 2027 first-round pick -- the only one they can offer -- in trade talks, including as the carrot in a potential exchange of John Wall and Russell Westbrook, sources say. A deal I'd have pitched: Westbrook, Talen Horton-Tucker and that 2027 first-rounder for Wall and Eric Gordon. Does that change your life? Maybe not. But LeBron is 37, and this team looks broken. Maybe a better deal will come along in the offseason.
Eric Gordon is having a really good shooting season for such a garbage team, seems like a good player to have tried to kick the tires on as that three point bomber guard they've mostly failed to find all season. Wall hasn't played in almost a year.

Brian Windhorst said the Lakers were trying to get Christian Wood too but that was probably asking for too much imo.

In other Big Three news, the Durant-Harden-Irving era ends with them having played a whopping 16 games together. Harden apparently was checked out to start the season before Durant inspired him a little but he totally lost interest after Durant got hurt and didn't care at all about Kyrie. He'd told the Nets he was probably going to Philly after the season anyway unless they won a title and they were prepared to shut him down for the year if they couldn't trade him. Ben Simmons intends on trying to play for the Nets this year. Morey gets his man, the whole saga started because Morey tried to trade Simmons to Houston for Harden. :lol

Harrell to Hornets and White to Celtics are nice little moves probably. Them and Bucks probably real winners of the deadline deals unless Harden turns out to be the championship piece for the Sixers. McCollum, Sabonis and Porzingis deals probably won't do anything this year beyond maybe putting someone (New Orleans?) in the playin to lose but could be fun next year.

Kevin Pelton noted that the Thunder not making any trades to suck up somebody's ending contract means they'll probably fall well under the salary floor required which means everybody on the team gets a payday!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 21, 2022, 03:20:25 AM
https://twitter.com/Getthebagcoach/status/1495597861093920770

 :whoo
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2022, 11:14:55 PM
https://twitter.com/memgrizz/status/1498480363567554560

illegal
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2022, 09:39:39 PM
Grizzlies wore the wrong jerseys out :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVgHIGcKGkc
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 21, 2022, 11:59:41 PM
https://twitter.com/NBA/status/1506093829694406656

lmao
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 27, 2022, 07:42:52 PM
https://twitter.com/DavidEarly/status/1507895900399620097

 :mynicca
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2022, 08:50:52 AM
https://twitter.com/griffin802/status/1521650702124298241
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 12, 2022, 12:49:12 PM
https://twitter.com/CTabatabaie/status/1524709871450529792
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 14, 2022, 01:19:27 AM
Quote
Morant became the first guard in the last 25 seasons to lead the league in overall paint points (948) and per game (16.6). He scored 20 paint points in 22 games this season, the most in a season by a guard over the last 25 years, per ESPN Stats & Information. The only other players to record as many such games over the last 25 seasons are Shaquille O'Neal, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Anthony Davis and Zion Williamson.
:whoo
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 15, 2022, 09:26:36 PM
Suns are down 40 in the third of game seven.

40!
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on May 16, 2022, 12:09:47 AM
I stopped watching at halftime. That was rough.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 16, 2022, 06:10:26 PM
https://twitter.com/sreekyshooter/status/1523398314288648192
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 17, 2022, 10:45:25 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Z8UTWJO.png)

 :badass
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 27, 2022, 11:47:35 PM
https://twitter.com/DSpells09/status/1530363900457279488

 :whoo

Also the Lakers hired my man Darvin Ham to be their next head coach.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2022, 10:05:41 PM
https://twitter.com/BenSharmaTO/status/1530993927406354433

Same flag is hanging in FTX Arena tonight. :existential
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2022, 11:46:03 PM
I think Boston has a better shot than Miami would have but this seems like the Warriors title to lose ala 2016 or 2019. Revenge for 1964 I guess.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 02, 2022, 11:23:28 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 29, 2022, 11:46:03 PM
I think Boston has a better shot than Miami would have but this seems like the Warriors title to lose ala 2016 or 2019. Revenge for 1964 I guess.
:bolo
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2022, 04:10:40 PM
https://twitter.com/seacaptainklay/status/1535503342243172357

https://twitter.com/MikeBeauvais/status/1535444561622876161
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 14, 2022, 01:00:57 AM
I get why you play Draymond a bunch, you need him for a large chunk of the game, but I think Kevin Looney might be the better option at this point if it's important. Boston seems completely confused about his existence. "But coach, they're playing a more traditional big, that's NOT FAIR!"

Looney's picked up a pretty decent amount of those Draymond like handoffs and stuff, plus he's actually willing to go to the basket when wide open which is a really sneaky play nobody has thought of.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 16, 2022, 11:50:12 PM
https://twitter.com/_6exto/status/1537637681374679043
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 24, 2022, 07:04:32 AM
https://twitter.com/Meghan_Ottolini/status/1540036412925427713
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 25, 2022, 12:39:01 AM
https://twitter.com/russwest44/status/1540488261910597632

 :whoo
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Pissy F Benny on June 30, 2022, 03:05:18 PM
Kevin Durant wants a trade :titus

Lakers trade him for Westbrook, who says no? :dobbs
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2022, 03:15:03 PM
lmao, he didn't tell the Nets or Irving beforehand so Kyrie opted in

Quote
The Phoenix Suns and Miami Heat are among two of the teams that Kevin Durant has on his wish list, sources told ESPN, but the Nets plan to move Durant where they can get the best possible deal.
Quote
ESPN's Brian Windhorst reports on This Just In that after Kevin Durant's trade request, Brooklyn Nets point guard Kyrie Irving will likely be on the trade market as well. Windhorst also adds that he thinks Durant is going to try and force himself to the Phoenix Suns, in a possible sign-and-trade deal involving Deandre Ayton.

Wants to be traded to the 64 win team of course, this guy :rofl
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Pissy F Benny on June 30, 2022, 03:17:26 PM
Guessing this ends up meaning that the Nets trade Kyrie to the Lakers for Westbrook cos why the fuck not if they're going to be shit anyway :elon
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2022, 06:19:18 PM
Quote
On NBA Today, ESPN's Brian Windhorst reported league executives have floated the idea that if the Brooklyn Nets trade Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving together, the Los Angeles Lakers are a possible destination.
lol what could possibly be the trade here

This is everyone the Lakers have under contract but LeBron and Davis:
(https://i.imgur.com/p5Ppq0n.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2022, 02:05:23 PM
Celtics getting Malcolm Brogdon and Danilo Gallinari for basically nothing (2023 first round pick plus salaries)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2022, 03:57:52 PM
Quote
The Utah Jazz is trading center Rudy Gobert to the Minnesota Timberwolves, sources tell ESPN. The Timberwolves are sending Malik Beasley, Patrick Beverley, Walker Kessler, Jarred Vanderbilt and multiple first-round picks to the Jazz for Gobert.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1542958211858415618
 :whoo
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2022, 04:02:22 PM
https://twitter.com/TylerIAm/status/1542885811011584001

 :jeb
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2022, 06:30:36 PM
https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1542981516728451072
https://twitter.com/Thepullaraera7/status/1542993903313461250
https://twitter.com/pjeter77/status/1542992808470085632
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2022, 06:49:57 PM
day one is too great

https://twitter.com/DetroitLionsBot/status/1542879809432420352
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: VomKriege on July 02, 2022, 04:29:46 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 01, 2022, 03:57:52 PM
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The Utah Jazz is trading center Rudy Gobert to the Minnesota Timberwolves, sources tell ESPN. The Timberwolves are sending Malik Beasley, Patrick Beverley, Walker Kessler, Jarred Vanderbilt and multiple first-round picks to the Jazz for Gobert.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1542958211858415618
 :whoo

https://twitter.com/NOTISAACCAMPOS/status/1542955778989887488
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 03, 2022, 05:20:59 AM
https://twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1543102586923802624

https://twitter.com/jphanned/status/1543367969278812160
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 20, 2022, 09:27:59 PM
Quote from: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34273712/sources-nba-fines-warriors-owner-joe-lacob-500000-decrying-unfair-nba-luxury-tax
The NBA fined Golden State Warriors owner Joe Lacob $500,000 for violating the league's policy on publicly discussing collective bargaining talks, which included Lacob describing the league's luxury tax system as "very unfair" on a recent podcast, sources told ESPN on Wednesday.

The comments, aired on the Point Forward Podcast hosted by Andre Iguodala and Evan Turner, included Lacob defending the Warriors championship roster and league-leading payroll and luxury tax bills that exceed $340 million in the franchise's championship season of 2021-2022.

"The hardest thing of all is navigating this luxury tax, unfortunately. I went back to New York this week for labor meetings. I'm on the committee. And you know, obviously, the league wants everyone to have a chance and right now, there's a certain element out there that believes we 'checkbook win..." We won because we have the most salaries on our team.

"The truth is, we're only $40 million more than the luxury tax. Now, that's not small but it's not a massive number. We're $200 million over in total because most of that is this incredible penal luxury tax. And what I consider to be unfair and I'm going to say it on this podcast and I hope it gets back to whoever is listening. Obviously, it's self-serving for me to say this, but I think it's a very unfair system because our team is built by....all top eight players are all drafted by this team."
Amusingly the league has a fine repeater tax too, that's why he had to pay half a million. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on July 26, 2022, 12:18:24 AM
https://twitter.com/du_tunes/status/1551583872726581250
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 11, 2022, 04:50:22 PM
NBA will be retiring the jersey number 6 across all teams to honor Bill Russell.

Current players like LeBron who wore it last season will be able to continue wearing it if they want, it will just not be issued to new players from now on.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Pissy F Benny on August 12, 2022, 12:00:40 PM
But 6 is my first choice number on My Career :stahp
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Pissy F Benny on August 12, 2022, 02:39:08 PM
FWIW I've never really cared for the retiring numbers tradition and much prefer to see a player crushed under the weight of expectation of a mere squad number previously worn by a legend :phil
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 13, 2022, 02:10:58 PM
I do think it's a little weird, the "rings of honor" or whatever are a little better, the Suns currently have a distinction where they haven't retired numbers in recent years because recent ownership wanted to wait until the franchise wins a title, so Steve Nash is only "honored" for example. The Lakers never retired any numbers for the Minneapolis Lakers and it seems weird to make the Lakers of all franchises retire Bill Russell's number.

More stars should change their numbers so they have to retire multiple numbers like the Lakers had to do for Kobe.

I think it's funny that the Warriors said they were going to retire KD's number just for the four years he was there when OKC probably will wait to do it while they went and retired Nick Collison's number of all people. I've seen Raptors fans debating whether or not Kawhi's number should be retired since the Raptors have never retired a number (I assume they'll retire Lowry's if they retire anyones) yet and he won them their only title while a lot of Spurs fans are still kinda hurt and don't want Kawhi's number ever retired.

OKC has wanted to retire Gary Payton's number ever since he retired but he refuses to have a retirement ceremony not in Seattle. :lol
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Pissy F Benny on August 13, 2022, 02:32:50 PM
what's going to happen in say 20 years when the Lakers have retired like 20 numbers and nearly every good basketball number going.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on August 18, 2022, 06:17:02 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/jLQinFS.png)

 :rejoice greatest rebounder in NBA history already 63 games into rookie season :jeb
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on September 05, 2022, 08:33:11 PM
ESPN finally found out my Insider subscription should have ended sometime in the past, especially since I never put a credit card they could charge on the account. Couldn't read Kevin Pelton's trade grades on the Donovon Mitchell trade, my life is over. :stahp
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on September 15, 2022, 06:30:33 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcuPgH4WYAI2FDQ?format=jpg&name=small)

https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1570521035904286723
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on September 22, 2022, 12:52:47 AM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1572776498280693761
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1572810579105939457

Lots of great theories as Twitter waited for the reveal of the reason. :lawd :whew

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https://twitter.com/bradsketbawl/status/1572793533102161921
https://twitter.com/hijab_creator/status/1572756226953338880
https://twitter.com/DevineGospel/status/1572777454053498881
https://twitter.com/redsoxtroII/status/1572780821840273408
https://twitter.com/big_business_/status/1572789485943017472
https://twitter.com/ButtCrackSports/status/1572792477412646912
https://twitter.com/dan_lamma/status/1572794191763193857
https://twitter.com/doulbedoink/status/1572779028213551105
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https://twitter.com/JomiAdeniran/status/1572788176967860224
https://twitter.com/AshNicoleMoss/status/1572810876498939904
https://twitter.com/JomiAdeniran/status/1572811271984287745
https://twitter.com/_312DARIUS/status/1572811527073275906
https://twitter.com/AddisonAitch/status/1572806620232486914
https://twitter.com/nyeanee2/status/1572781880436482049
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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 14, 2022, 09:30:17 PM
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1581082213373788160

wat
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on October 17, 2022, 10:58:56 AM
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1582016074689794049

A friend of mine is one of the writers on this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrMvtIrvdrA
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2022, 10:13:22 PM
https://twitter.com/ITYSL_memes/status/1582797379916660736

 :hesright
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 02, 2022, 01:26:40 AM
Steve Nash out, Ime Udoka in: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34925973/sources-nets-moving-hiring-ime-udoka-head-coach
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Pissy F Benny on November 02, 2022, 04:22:21 PM
whats the deal with that whole situation, it all seems fucking odd when the only real public details are he had an affair with someone on the celtics staff :confused

context: i just read a rather hysterical piece about it and there seems to be a huge part of the story missing?
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 03, 2022, 08:06:40 PM
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The Brooklyn Nets have suspended Kyrie Irving for at least five games without pay, the team said in a statement Thursday.

"Over the last several days, we have made repeated attempts to work with Kyrie Irving to help him understand the harm and danger of his words and actions, which began with him publicizing a film containing deeply disturbing antisemitic hate," the team said in the statement.

"We were dismayed today, when given an opportunity in a media session, that Kyrie refused to unequivocally say he has no antisemitic beliefs, nor acknowledge specific hateful material in the film. This was not the first time he had the opportunity - but failed - to clarify.

"Such failure to disavow antisemitism when given a clear opportunity to do so is deeply disturbing, is against the values of our organization, and constitutes conduct detrimental to the team. Accordingly, we are of the view that he is currently unfit to be associated with the Brooklyn Nets."

This is the greatest ongoing sabotage of a Super Team ever. Gotta surpass Kobe's rape trial at this point.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 11, 2022, 08:46:05 PM
D'Angelo Russell forgot to go on the court after checking in the other night:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF3RFIgQygc

 :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 18, 2022, 10:51:04 PM
We interrupt the ongoing Bol Bol Experience to present Bones Hyland:
https://twitter.com/nuggets/status/1593790701065551872
https://twitter.com/nuggets/status/1593792800092397568
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on November 29, 2022, 12:20:46 AM
https://twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1597394990044712960
https://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1597403175795167233
https://twitter.com/Ballislife/status/1597421503707901952
https://twitter.com/BolWrld/status/1597459438713335808
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 02, 2022, 09:41:59 PM
Zach Lowe pointed this out, at 0:55, Thomas Bryant stops to make sure the scorer recorded his block rather than running back on defense :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfd1QeqNOYA
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on December 13, 2022, 10:01:32 PM
Quote from: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/35240700/luke-kornet-contest-effective-boston-celtics
Kornet's average distance from the shooter on those attempts? Just under 12 feet.

How did he decide this was something he was going to do? In Kornet's case, it was about solving his own math problem.

How does a 7-foot-2, 250-pound, slow-footed center get from the rim to the 3-point line to contest a shot?

Easy: He doesn't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9Yf9QJd3f8

 :hmm
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 03, 2023, 06:31:18 PM
https://twitter.com/spidadmitchell/status/1610336026437865472
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 24, 2023, 11:58:14 PM
 :nsfw

rest in power, PatBev (1988-2023) shot down in his prime

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQdh-9EOkz8
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on January 29, 2023, 06:38:32 PM
https://twitter.com/OfficialNBARefs/status/1619815874583752704
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 07, 2023, 02:03:16 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/10vs0m6/highlight_dame_defies_all_logic_as_he_drills_the/
(https://i.imgur.com/cC0UUyg.jpg)

 :dead :dead :dead :dead
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 08, 2023, 12:28:19 AM
I think having LeBron behead Kareem in front of the entire arena and on national TV to celebrate achieving the scoring record was a bit harsh and unnecessary but I guess that's new custom in the Reign of King James.
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 09, 2023, 12:30:10 AM
"You fucking idiots are supposed to be tanking! Do I have to do everything around here?!? :rage" - Danny Ainge
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on February 09, 2023, 01:24:35 AM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1623564019037614082
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 09, 2023, 01:28:32 AM
(https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/09db32b0926dbcf3f16629da82b8e68e)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Pissy F Benny on February 09, 2023, 10:13:03 AM
in theory, could the lakers resign westbrook if he gets bought out by the jazz? :phil
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on February 09, 2023, 01:11:14 PM
As a drama fan:  :rejoice

As a Kings fan:  :noooo
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 09, 2023, 03:03:53 PM
https://twitter.com/rodger/status/1623763433530470400
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 09, 2023, 06:10:51 PM
https://twitter.com/godaytonflyers/status/1623584941328986112
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on February 17, 2023, 09:54:14 PM
https://twitter.com/NBA/status/1626768816368656384

 :jeb HE REALLY IS THE GOAT :jeb

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FpNzL8ZWAAEIvX3?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 11, 2023, 12:43:22 AM
This fucking guy. :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkwQNcb2vbk
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: Beezy on March 13, 2023, 01:15:51 PM
Great pass, but his foot was out of bounds
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2023, 12:52:31 PM
Look at Desmond Bane screwing up this spacing by standing on this side of the half court line smh:
(https://i.imgur.com/Qup7VoH.png)
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 01, 2023, 10:20:30 PM
Quote from: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/36025332/nba-nbpa-agree-new-7-year-collective-bargaining-agreement
The NBA and National Basketball Players Association have reached agreement on a new seven-year collective bargaining agreement, promising labor peace through the rest of the decade, sources told ESPN early Saturday morning.

The tentative deal, which starts with the 2023-24 season, was announced by the league and union and is expected to be ratified by league governors and players in the coming weeks. The deal includes a mutual opt-out after the sixth year, sources told ESPN.

Among the key elements of the deal described to ESPN:

The NBA is curbing the ability of the highest-spending teams, such as the Golden State Warriors and the LA Clippers, to continue running up salary and luxury tax spending while still maintaining mechanisms to add talent to the roster. The league is implementing a second salary cap apron -- $17.5 million over the tax line -- and those teams will lose several key team building mechanisms, including the taxpayer mid-level exception, utilizing cash in trades, moving first-round picks in drafts that are seven years away, signing free agent players in the buyout market and taking on more money than is being sent out in trades, sources said.

In an attempt to curb load management and lost games among star players, the NBA is tying eligibility for postseason awards -- such as All-NBA teams and MVP -- to a mandatory 65 games played. The 65-game minimum does come with some conditions.

The in-season tournament could arrive as soon as the 2023-24 season. The event will include pool-play games baked into the regular-season schedule starting in November -- with eight teams advancing to a single-elimination tournament in December. The Final Four will be held at a neutral site, with Las Vegas prominent in the discussion, sources said.

The NBA and NBPA have agreed to increase the upper limits on extensions from a 120% increase on a current deal to 140%, which could have a significant impact on the futures of stars like Celtics forward Jaylen Brown.

There is an increase in two-way contract slots, jumping from two to three per team. Two-way contracts were created in the 2017 collective bargaining agreement as a vehicle for teams to develop younger players. It has been seen as a success, as it's become a route to players earning long-term homes in the league, and in several cases becoming major contributors.
:american Adam Silver does what David Stern don't. :american
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on April 06, 2023, 01:39:24 AM
https://twitter.com/SacramentoKings/status/1643447810631819264
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 11, 2023, 10:39:17 PM
Quote from: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/37606813/mark-jackson-says-leaving-jokic-mvp-ballot-was-absolute-mistake
ESPN NBA analyst Mark Jackson apologized Thursday for saying he mistakenly left Denver Nuggets superstar Nikola Jokic off his MVP voter ballot.

Philadelphia's Joel Embiid won MVP with Jokic finishing second. Jokic, who won back-to-back MVP awards the previous two seasons, finished with 15 first-place votes, 52 second-place votes and 32 third-place votes for a total of 99 votes out of 100 ballots.

The NBA released the MVP voter selections on Thursday and Jackson's ballot had Embiid first, Milwaukee's Giannis Antetokounmpo second, Boston's Jayson Tatum third, Oklahoma City's Shai Gilgeous-Alexander fourth and Cleveland's Donovan Mitchell fifth.

"One thing I live by, you make a mistake, you own it," Jackson said in an interview with SiriusXM NBA Radio's Justin Termine and Eddie Johnson. "Absolute mistake made by me... In thinking how did I make that mistake: you can tell I put one center, two forwards and two guards. So I wasn't even thinking.
TRUMP WAS RIGHT ABOUT OUR ELECTIONS
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 12, 2023, 10:33:19 PM
This guy not hear that someone else is MVP now?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O51xSAeB1Mc
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 13, 2023, 01:35:21 AM
https://twitter.com/Jussdin_/status/1657248190096105474

 :badass
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 16, 2023, 10:41:31 PM
https://streamable.com/fdvs81

This guy. :whoo
Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 20, 2023, 11:43:02 PM
While I certainly don't hate this Lakers team as much as past ones, especially after that trade deadline, you still have to love them (and the endless fealty of the media) getting annihilated by a small market team and a big ground bound flabby looking Serbian redefining efficiency. :playa

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Even if Jamal Murray is Canadian, I guess you can't have everything. :beli
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Title: Re: The NBA thread
Post by: benjipwns on May 23, 2023, 11:21:51 PM
https://twitter.com/FredKatz/status/1660678034934964226